Name: Mr. Stewart
rmech@alaska.net
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 at 21:25:23
Comments:
Neil Diamond tickets are going for $120.00 a piece here in Anchorage...s'how hard up we are.
Mr.Stewart
Name: DrMu
not your Uncle Walter
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 at 19:18:10
Comments:
Another, OL: What's got you all hot under the collar? Is it because BFF has put out 3 studio albums since AiA was released? Is it because their most recent release which came out Tuesday was recorded from Nov. '98 to Jan '99 and released 3 months following completion? Is it because Ben F. can pound the piano with passion without giving up technique? Oh, sure you could go back a few days and answer my DAN-related queries...but why do that when ya can whine about a talented group that's almost as subsversive in its own way as the Dan?
StAl: Are you assuming what we are or do you know something concrete?...fess up.
Countdown to ecstacy - 11 days.
'Festers: Get a laptop and meet me in the chatroom
Name: Philip Fowler
FowlerUSMC@yahoo.com
Location: Indianapolis, IN USA
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 at 18:14:23
Comments:
I saw the Finest musicians to ever perform at the Sandstone Amphitheatre in KCMO after a 24-year wait! Donald & Walter you guys inspire me! Thanks for all the great music! I have every one of the 45's, and the vinyl LP's, and the CD's (multiple copies of "Countdown to Ecstacy"--my personal favorite), and Walter's "Tracks Of Whack", and Donald's two solo masterpieces, and Brian Sweet's book ("Reelin' In The Years"---not enough photos, though), and I bought every version of the Steely Dan t-shirts at the August 6th concert (including both types of caps!). Wished you guys woulda played "King of the World". I hope I don't have to wait another 24 years! Heck, I did a whole 20 in the Marine Corps between the time I first heard "Do It Again" in December 1972 and the '96 Art Crimes show in KC! Steely Dan remains the FINEST group of musicians that ever graced the American music scene (I know it sounds cliche, but praise usually is...)
Semper Fi......
Name: ed beatty
edbeatty@pe.net
Location: Temecula, ca
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 at 17:41:39
Comments:
STAL
"Had toured this year"?
Name: AnotherVote
@c'mon.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 at 15:20:40
Comments:
BAN BEN FOLDS FIVE ON THE STEELY DAN GUESTBOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Original Lester
Hey Monkey, where you been?
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 22:47:24
Comments:
Steely Dan rules and Ben Folds Five bites.
Name: RubyBaby
@ll dressed up & nowhere2go
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 22:19:01
Comments:
Lisa&Samantha: I suppose you two are soaking up all the Clas vibes. Try to leave something for me. I may someday get to bask in his sunshine. Or, you could BEAM ME OVER THERE NOW! You didn't forget your tri-corders did you?Clas: Something tells me you're in good hands. But go easy on them, lisa and samantha will never be the same. American guys will hardly stand a chance anymore.
That's probably why they detained you in Kentucky, right?rb
Name: DrMu
wah wah
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 21:46:16
Comments:
Happy birthday Sir Duke, born 100 years ago today! toodles!
Name: StAl
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 19:58:45
Comments:
I hope everyone is having fun down n'awlins way. Christ I wish I was there right now. Someone should hand Clas a laptop. It just isn't the same around here without him posting every FREAKIN' day.
Damn, has everyone noticed the outrageous prices of concert tickets this summer? I've plopped down close to 500 clams (with all of Ticketbastard's fees) for 2x Dave Matthews, 2x Allman Bros and 3x Lyle Lovett. God help me if Steely Dan had toured this year. I'd need a second job.
StAl
Name: Strangers
@home
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 19:48:56
Comments:
Everyone email James - he's lost his mind and needs help.
Yo,wah - boo- hoo
No more Ben Folds - this is Steely Dan, thankyou !
Name: James Bagot
jimbob_62_99@yahoo.com
Location: Ventura, Ca USA
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 19:40:00
Comments:
Finally Found your web site!
Just like to say that I have been a HUGE FAN for years.
Please keep on JAMIN' your music touches many, and it is great music to make sweet love down by the fire by. I have all your albums and fond memories of many romantic nights .
Hope there is a tour soon, oh yeah, HURRY UP WITH THE NEW CD.
MY love life is sucking BAD!
TAKE CARE,
JIM B.
Name: wah
hoo
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 16:01:11
Comments:
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Would you like to see Cream reunite? Clapton's manager is the one who is holding things up. contact him
Roger Forrester, at:
77 Harley House
Marylebone Road
London W1
Tel: 011 44 171 486 8056
Fax: 011 44 171 487 5663
Name: Hardly
wortheimer
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 11:45:28
Comments:
That'd be the East Bank in St. Louis. Yeah, that's what I meant.the East Bank of the Mississippi. Yeah. You guys have fun in Alabama.
gone fishin.
Name: N'O Go
scene@hirt
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 11:34:48
Comments:
east bank toodle oo, al.
Name: fezo
usedtohaveascenewithhim
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 05:54:33
Comments:
great disc to start the day with: Dire Strait's "Making Movies". you know it's a great album when the title cut is one of the weaker tunes
great way to lose your job: lose yourself in music at home for an hour, arrive for work forty-five minutes late with your boss sitting in your office tapping her watch
would you like fries with that? (practicing for my next job)
Name: Schwinn
toro, toro taxi
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 01:07:24
Comments:
Roy
Alas, that perpetual menace, Hardgroove, has completely stuffed the big bike's exhaust pipes with spuds and filled the gas tank with the contents of 323 Pixie Sticks. The downside: No frivolity in N'Oleans. Not even a zombie inhalation unit shipped priority. The upside: I've got more baked potatos than Wendys.
Side-Mirror Mounted to a Spin-Pop,SEMB
Name: DrMu
This just eat-en
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 22:57:27
Comments:
In a shocking development, because of a diet (how did this happen?) and a mutant gene for high HDL and low LDL levels, Paul Prudhomme is STILL ALIVE!. Danfesters - roll or slide your way to:
K-Paul's Louisiana Kitchen
French Quarter. 416 Chartres. 524-7394. L D Mon-Sat. AE V MC/$$$for shrimp creole, crawfish, stuffed/blackened anything
Name: DrMu
man of la mangez
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 22:42:47
Comments:
Ole: Pascal's Manalle is one of those Italian-Creole fare establishments (see site below). The phone # you listed is correct. If you like the BBQ shrimp and other stuffed stuff - when you're in the Quater, a I-C restaurant named Bacco's, run by the Brennan family, is also excellent...and Copeland's down the block for Psacal's is a great cajum value. If you haven't gained 5-10 lbs, the trip is unsuccessful. The only chance is to sing the complete Dan hymnal. Increasing evidence suggests that respiratory muscles can consume far more oxygen/energy that originally thought.
http://www.neworleans.net/fdpages/pascalsmanalerev.html
Chimp: Frankly, I thought BFF kicked ass tonight
Name: one more chimp
yeah baby
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 22:31:36
Comments:
Roy Scam,
Ben Folds Five and Steely Dan should NEVER I mean NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence again!
Name: oleander
see how they roll
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 22:00:01
Comments:
Au revoir les enfants!
You might try this. I probably have the spelling wrong--it might be Pasquale Menelli's or something, but at any rate the phone # there is 504 895 4877. If anyone is actually going to try, call & ask for one of us as part of the Steely Dan party. Better yet, just beam your rendition, stray comments, or loving harassment straight through the ether to the chip in Clas' head--the one the Feds implanted when he was laid over in Covington. If Pasquale won't let you through, perhaps we can come up with plan B.
At any rate: you'll be hearing from us.
Name: Let Your Fingers Do The Walking
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 16:41:24
Comments:
Ole-WAIT... just how do we call in our air guitar solos? You got a cell phone?
Name: lisa & samantha
techno cyber w@nnabes
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 16:28:13
Comments:
here we are in the sprawling metropolis of slidell, la- sitting at an espresso shop and marvelling at the wonders of the swedish mangod clas...ruby baby, you are missing out, girlfriend!
we may have already spotted that kinky soNso on bourbon street this afternoon- as we were trying to re-discover the location of our vehicle (which was no easy task after consuming large hurricanes at o' brian's)...there was a strange man with silver shoes shadowing us as we hurried along the narrow streets...i spied him first- then samantha and clas shot me a look of dreaded certainty...it was kinky! as the man sped away, i caught a whiff of armani and saw the glint of his cartier cufflinks.
wait!
a skinny man in two-tone shoes just walked by...
Name: TheStranger
warning: music & dan-related musings
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 14:43:49
Comments:
to everyone who loves a great drum solo,
listen to philadelphia phil jones play on 'salt peanuts' of 'steamin'' with the miles davis quintet. sounds like 5 drummers at once, all synchronized.more and more i'm getting into 'book of liars.' becker's voice is even beginning to sound good.
danfesters: used to be a dive in french district called la casa de los marinos. once again, if you don't get knifed, it's a good place. to all rabbis going to the reunion: it's hard to keep kosher in new orleans. you may have to drink lots of wine so you won't get malnourished.
ultimate danfester tip: wear trousers with a tight waist. if you get jailed, they take away your belt.
Name: Roy.Scam
Hey.Moebius
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 13:50:05
Comments:
Cruiser: Congratulations. Boss wedding picture. "Honeymoon In New Orleans" would be an excellent movie or real life idea.
Ben Folds Five is scheduled to appear on Letterman tonight. -- I've listened to the song "In Love" from Ben Folds' "Fear of Pop" album; that's the song with William Shatner doing the lead vocals. I won't attempt to describe the song, but there's a line in the background vocal that sounds like "..oleander eyes..". Does anyone else hear that? You can hear samples of it on the internet without having to buy the album (which I undestand is extremely experimental and self indulgent.)
Doc Kelly: We have something in common. lisa was the first person I ever heard call me by the name Scam [in a positive way, that is].
Y'all have a good time in New Orleans, and don't forget you're supposed to eat those things head first.
RS
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 13:13:47
Comments:
Danfesters: Please accept my most humble apologies for not attending... I hate it when this happens. I was fairly psyched about hitting the big easy! My pilot was freaking out about the weather forecast... and he didn't have several chores taken care of... yada, yada, yada...
Ole: say Hi to Lisa... she called me the other evening... Wow, what a fantastic southern voice she has! It really caught me off-guard to hear from a Lisa other than my close friend with the same name... and I've never heard anybody say "doc kelly" before!!! If the story Lisa told me about why Clas got waylaid in Kentucky is true then he must have some real bad luck... or... I'll leave it up to you to verify the real story.
Name: OMIO
stilwell@efn.org
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 08:37:09
Comments:
John, Jon, & so on.. I'd like to get copies of any Dan stuff I can.. From anyone who has any.. Write to the e-mail above..
RIP Al Hirt..
Name: John
drinking his red stripe
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 07:23:58
Comments:
Jon, Denny Dias is involved in this Aja
reunion.....still want a copy?
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 06:01:22
Comments:
Jon,
I believe that reunion was the making of the VH1 special to be released this year about that "classic" album. They got as many of the musicians as possible that played on the album and other associated people together in NYC for the interviews. I heard that they asked Wayne Shorter who played sax and tragically lost his wife on TWA Flight 800 about the album and that he said that he didn't even remember playing on it.
Name: jon
@ his yellow stripe
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 05:18:56
Comments:
Anyone know what the deal is with:
STEELY DAN - 'AJA REUNION'---January 12, 1999 / River Sound - New York City
as reported on SD's official site? Are recordings available? Q?
Name: oleander
c/o central committee
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 23:45:27
Comments:
LISTEN UP!
COUNTDOWN TO DANFEST:
The harmonic convergence has begun. Even now lisa and Sam have mindmelded with the Infamous Swede, already an international cause celebre.
For all like-mindmelded souls, don't forget:
LITTLE FEAT, 5:30 THURSDAY, JAZZFEST
THE MAIN EVENT, 9:00 FRIDAY, PASCAL MANALLY'S
--ask for the Steely Dan party
--prize as usual for the best Steely-related costume
--prize for the best air-guitar rendition of a Steely solo (You may call in)
--surrealistic shooters courtesy of Razor BoyAND THEN: getting stuffed with everything Cajun; Kinky-spotting; doing as many things from SD songs as we can possibly pack in and then some (without getting arrested); and hearing some really good gospel
SUNDAY: hangovers & regrets
Name: oleander
got something in my eye there
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 23:26:16
Comments:
BigFan--no, that's premature eDanulation... see above. Will need best wishes, prayer chains, catastrophic medical coverage in about two days.
fezo--Thanx, but you do. And think better.
GKJ--No, not that Moebius. Moebius of Larrius, Curlius, and Moebius.
Myra--I'll try, but my list might just end with you all.
jk--will be greenly eyeing you from afar.
Geena--hey girfriend! Don't get lost in the past.
Midnite--MAZEL TOV! [old crusty heart melting]
Roy--all foodstuffs, logical or illogical, will be fair game in NO--maybe we'll find some Moebius salt-water taffy strips--no, that's Va Beach. Donuts & bagels are notorious toruses (felonious Moebius?).
Mu, GKJ--more great images of pretzel logic.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 20:22:55
Comments:
jk,
Thanks for the reminder to check out Dinky's sight. I like the picture of Dinky, Pete and Denny. I would have been just to the right of the picture when Shari took it. The photo is in the basement of Sean O'tooles and they are all standing in front of a big chest freezer. It's possible that that is my copy of Dinky's book they just got done autographing. A great night for sure, but probably not as great as everyone is having in New Oerleans right now.
Name: DrMu
turnip that funked up muzak white boy
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 20:00:08
Comments:
That reminds me of a true and mercifully short (OK relatively short) story: As a teen I had my summer employment back in the Old North State "down on the farms." Cucumbers, vegatables, tobacco, you name it. It payed better than Mickie Ds and caused less acne. Anyway, one sweltering mid-summer, the am-fm radio clock alarm sprung on at 5:37 every morning to sentinel us to arms. We used to listen to am radio at night to get those Cleveland and Chicago stations for the heck of it. Before bed, I'd turn the dial to virtually the only non-country FM radio station (not much to choose from then and there) since the ionosphere tends to lose it's ability by sunrise to act as a backboard against radiowaves in the kHz range (AM). It was a chincy radio station with minimum wage DJs during the day and a janitor pushing in tapes at night up to early morning (7am). During those dog days, the janitor must have gotten really lazy, because he'd put in the same tape about 4 in the morning. The result was that at every morning at 5:37 am for I swear about 7 or 8 weekdays in a row I'd hear *click* and then that Chicago baritone: "Yooouuuuulllllll nevaaahhh fiiiiiiinnnnnddd, another luv like miiiiinnne. To this day any time I hear Lou Rawls, all I can think about are the squealing farms pigs and the smell of tobacco barns and rotting cucumbers.
Name: DrMu
the long unwinding road
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 19:04:10
Comments:
Roy: There's always a trade-off in a way complex universe. It's either high S/N, fidelity, dynamic range but with coming off the reel vs. wow, flutter, distortion, Danitis interruptus along with the eerie reassurance of "Groundhog Day" deja vu in 4 different worlds.
Name: Peter North
I'll rise when the chick goes down
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 18:51:52
Comments:
jk- Peter's north is always true north. But it sure seems like a woman's breasts cause a magnetic reaction that gets me pointing as north as north can be. So, we let that remain a mystery. Good question anyway.
Love to my fellow Steely Dan and/or Titfucking extravaganza fans,
Pete
Name: Mayor Rudy
bring on the bitch
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 18:37:37
Comments:
Soon the First Lady is going to formally announce she will be a candidate for the Senate race in the Empire State. I welcome the challenge, and think it will be a very interesting race. I hope that the Chinese don`t try to buy the election .
Name: RubyBaby
Forever in blue jeans
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 14:00:37
Comments:
Midnite Cruiser: I know you won't be reading this for a short while, but...
Thanks for the glimpse of love! It brought a warrmth to my heart and a smile to my face. It's one of the best bride & groom pictures I've ever seen!
(tossing cyber rice into the air)
rb
Name: Kulee
baba
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 13:32:53
Comments:
jk- Denny Dias touring? Tell Dinky to bring back Royce Jones (minus the afro) and then we can jam! Tell Denny he MUST wear those same overalls he used to wear on tour in '74. All we need now is Porky & Bucky and we can really party. I saw a guy at a local bar here, he looked alot like Jerome Anton. I'm going back to this bar tonite and if it is indeed Jerome we can get him to mc the whole darn thing.K
Name: GK John
Mmmmmm,logic
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 11:52:12
Comments:
Roy- Ah!
Name: jk
jk
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 11:31:13
Comments:
Dinky and denny will be touring. But that is the only date i know so far. Sounds like fun though. Careful who you room with at the hotel - they may snore really loudly for hours in montauk. Check out dinks web
http://www.dinkysworld.com/road.htm
jk
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 11:11:37
Comments:
Well we went and got ourselves married this morning.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/JimShirlKiss.jpg
Yes, we did get married in jeans! On our way to the mountains for a wee honeymoon....y'all take care!
btw, has EvivaLaughs gotten married yet???
Name: Personnel
nothing personal son
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 10:47:07
Comments:
> APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER
>
> NOTE: This application will be considered incomplete and rejected unless
> accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage, and
> current medical report from a licenced physican.
>
> 1. NAME____________________________ DATE OF BIRTH_______________
> 2. HEIGHT_________________WEIGHT_____________I.Q._______________
> G.P.A.__________________
> 3. SOCIAL SECURITY #____________________DRIVERS LICENSE #_________
> 4. BOY SCOUT___________________________RANK____________________
> 5. HOME ADDRESS________________________CITY,STATE,ZIP____________
> 6. Do you have one MALE and one FEMALE> parent??_______________________
> If NO, EXPLAIN_________________________________________________
> 7. Number of years your parents have been> married_______________________
> 8. Do you own a van?________________A truck with oversized> tires?_______
> A waterbed?_____________Do you have an earring, nose ring, or> belly button ring?__________ A tattoo?________________
> If you have answered "YES" to any of #8 discontinue application> and don'tbother to forward!!!!!!
> 9. In 50 words or less, what does "LATE" mean to you? __________________________________________________________________________
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> 10. In 50 words or less, what does "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER" mean to you?
__________________________________________________________________________
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> 11. In 50 words or less, what does "ABSTINENCE" mean to you? __________________________________________________________________________
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> 12. Church you attend_______________________How often do you
> attend___________________________________________________________
> 13. When would be the best time to interview your Father, Mother, Priest,
> Rabbi, Minister?________________________________________________________
> 14. Answer the following questions by filling in the blanks, please answer
> freely. All answers will remain confidential (that means I won't tell anyone
> ever, I promise.)
> a. If I were shot the last place on my body I would wany wounded is my___________________
> b. If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken would be my___________________
> c. A woman's place is in the __________________________________
> d. The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is____________________
> e. When I first meet a girl, the first thing I notice about her is_______
> NOTE: If your answer begins with "T" or "A", discontinue the application. Leave premises keeping your head low and running in a
serpentine fashion is highly advised....
> 15. What do you want to be IF you grow up?_____________________________
>
> STATEMENT: I SWEAR THAT ALL THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH,
DISMEMBERMENT, NATIVE AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE WATER
TORTURE, RED
> HOT POKERS, AND HILLARY CLINTON KISS TORTURE.
> _________________________________________
> SIGNATURE (This means your name)
>
> Thank you for your interest in my daughter. Please allow four to six years for processing. You will be notified in writing IF you are
approved. Please do not try to call or write. If your application is
rejected, you will be notified by two gentlemen wearing white ties and
carrying violin cases. Keep alert.......
Name: Geena
i'm still the one
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 09:53:40
Comments:
Ok guys, I know I haven't been around lately, but I have many reasons, and none of them have anything to do with who pissed me off, etc. This is a story for another time.
GKJohn: Here are my views, albeit not complete because I can go on forever, but this is just something that I've been thinking about the last week or so. And hey, I miss ya baby!
When something horrific happens people look for tangible things to lay the blame on. The worse, the deep red feeling of panic that screams "not here, it couldn't happen here!" the more we look for some *thing* to pick up that we can hold and examine. We seek to name the nameless. The media knows this about our society, and be it print or visual, the news media will play on this need to label and identif. All of the pundits and self styled experts have gained an audience for this short moment in time. Anyone with an agenda has a platform, and we in our pain will grasp at the straws.
It's the music. Ozzy Osborne and Judas Priest strike again. satanic rituals, skinhead mentality and Hitler's birthday, something in the water/air/ground making the rats go round and
round. Blame the internet! look .. everything is there. Blame the police, the parents, the students and teachers. We all hurt the feelings of these displaced souls and now we reap the harvest of their bitter bile.Advertising rates are going up for primetime news. Print ads for the editorial section, two for the price of an inflated one. Jump on the bandwagon, get your slice of the pie. natter-natter this horror until the next one comes, and it will.
Blame is such a simple thing to throw onto an event as Littleton, and the less simple the act, the more simple the blame may appear to be. It's easier for our society to buy, and i do mean buy, into this than to ask the harder questions, seek the harder face in the mirror solutions. I'll say it again and again. this isn't about learning how to make pipe bombs from the internet or banning guns or the ability to buy them. There isn't anything new on the internet that hasn't been around since long before your parents and mine were born (and some of it, their parents). Littleton, and most of the things before it, and what will follow is about the dehumanizing, compartmentalization, and isolation of society.
Respect and responsibility. Wonder of and at life. Find a way to bring those back into society, and just possibly, things might change. But in the meantime, CNN will drone on. and you're listening.
I'll be back later after i've finished reading the GB...
Ciao for now...
Name: Capt In Head
breakfast of champions
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 09:11:52
Comments:
Have you read my book, Moebius Dick?
Hey Sailor, that ain't water.
Name: Roy.Scam
mmmmmm.pretzels
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 08:42:23
Comments:
GK John: You say pretzel logic is the act of twisting reality by assimilating an absurd statement and making it sound plausible? Isn't that what I just did when I attempted to explain Pretzel Logic? -- I'm also fond of circular logic, wherein an argument is used to prove itself; in the food domain that would have to be called Donut Logic (mmmmm). I foresee an entire album of great Becker fagen tunes about food related logics: Poy Logic, Matzoh Logic, stop me if this starts to get silly.
Schwinn: Are you going to the Danfest? Wil you be sending gifts from the exotic West?
Hermit, Mu: You're lucky your universe is an eight-track. Mine is a reel-to-reel, unwound and flopping off the edge of an old Wollensak with every rotation.
RS
Name: Sociable Hermit
StillOnTrackTwo...
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 06:27:01
Comments:
Dr.Mu:
Life is an 8 track tape. That would explain why I always have to wait until something clicks before I can move ahead.
Name: fred
wet behind the ears
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 02:57:30
Comments:
Sir Fred
Is that a new deck of cards I smell?
trim?
Name: Colorado Kool-Aid
smell my finger
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 02:41:35
Comments:
I've been raped! I'm not a crude boy! I've been raped! I'm a woman, dammit! Jerry Harrison said, "the rules do not apply" but some loathesome bastard and his friends forgot that and made me FIGHT till I LOST! Fuckers! I broke a nail!
You know, at times like this I feel like an "important" person. I mean, the cops are asking me questions and buying me coca-colas every time I say I'm thirsty and that makes me really open-up and say things I might not ordinarily admit. ("Oooh...I've got to go tee-tee again...) Damn those CIA guys are smart! They know when I've really got to "tee-tee" and when I'm just trying to get away to buy my friends some automatic weapons at the nearest neighborhood gun show. Hey, that guy is cute! He must be on to me!
Scent 'O Columbine,
Little Lacy Non-Suspect
Name: Fred Hoyle
now you're talkin'
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 02:04:26
Comments:
Mu: Nature exploits her successful systems. How many things can you count that explode, expand, slow and eventually reaccrete? Time constraints don't count. In fact, that is the hardest thing for our pocket-protectored friends to discard. Time. When all of their elaborate suppositions side-step it and they cry their way through naked singularities like a baby only one thing is for sure. The Hubble's mirrors are still in need of some fine-tuning and some genuine titty-milk.
Charade UR,Fred
Name: TheStranger
keep your eye on the bouncing ball
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 22:46:43
Comments:
when we're told that getting rid of guns is hopeless (which is true) then we're supposed to assume any controls are useless. well there will always be murder, but we try to control murder through various means, including prison and presumably it cuts down on murder. or should we just give up because there will always be murder? incidentally, i never said we should get rid of all guns. what the gun crazies do is claim you're making an argument you're not making, then debate some statement you never made. they don't do this because they're clever (which they're not) but because they're uncomfortable with their dicks and can't get them to work properly so they worship guns instead. what we need to control is handguns and all semi-automatic weapons. and those guns shows are like cigarette machines inside an elementary school.
incidentally, if those colo. cops were so brave, why did the teacher bleed to death unattended over a period of 3 hours? if he were a cop the other cops would have gone in to get him. when the dust clears someone's gonna notice, as i'm sure his family already notices.
Name: DrMu
thinking is a dangerous sport
Location: procrastination city,
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 19:57:52
Comments:
Hmmm...maybe the universe is a moebius strip?? Look far enough with the Hubble we see an early version of great grandparent of the Milky Way...why can't we see the big bang?... maybe there wasn't one...maybe the universe time space continuum is some kind of freakin' 8 track tape...that would explain a lot of things...a prototype Universe...can't wait for the DVD version...my head's about to explode...back to a paper that's been in the oven longer than the new one...no I have not become a collective with THC molecules and yes I do have my clothes on...
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 15:19:35
Comments:
jk: Great News! The room I stayed in was $56 off season at the Sheraton, but over $200 in season esp. over a holiday weekend. I also hear that driving in Plymouth on summer weekends is near imposible and my private helo pilot is off that weekend. Any suggestions?
Do you know who he will be playing with? Obviously Lisa Jason, but who else is in the "permanent" band?
I would like to see Denny again in person. I wonder if "Skunk" Baxter can take time off from keeping America safe to show up for a few sets. Now then I might have to get a room in town! Please keep us posted.
"this is the time of the expanding man..."
Name: Myra Eyefull
"Blink"
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 14:56:32
Comments:
Big Daddy: Roy did not find me in a bottle on the beach, I was drinking from a bottle on the beach. I have no powers and I am frequently on the "dark side",according to Big Roy!
To all of you who get to go to New Orleans for the next Danfest,I want you to bring home presents for those of us who were left behind.
Myra
Name: jk
jk
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 13:41:32
Comments:
Mr North, is it true north or magnetic north? mine's due south.
Anyway! SD Fans will be able to see Denny and the crew perform live at Plymouth's (mass.) Heritage Fest, July 3rd at 7p.
They'll be back at Sean O'Toole's (great bar - many beers on tap) at 9pm for the CD release party. Fans should get there early as Plymouth is a hoppin' place to be on the 4th!
Denny will be flying out here in early May to place final touches on the disc, and then it go to press. Looks like we'll have the disc first week in June.
Name: DrMu
his lone tree still
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 10:54:44
Comments:
GKJ: Ooooooohhh, I like that comment about twisting the ends to justify the means...or twisting time and space to travel back in time and make it back to now on the sam continuum...
Name: DrMu
the trunk's indiscreet
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 10:48:54
Comments:
Roy: Where were you when my old school calculus teachers were putting me to sleep? The cool thing to me about a Moebius strip is that if you follow the surface there is no beginning and no end. Don't ask me to explain it mathematically, but... RUBY, if you take say a gold, no Steel - colored ribbon that people use for making present bows and cut a 10 in. strip. Hold an end in each hand and stretch it out so it's taut and you have a top flat surface. Then take one end (ex. right hand) and flip THAT end of the ribbon strip 180°. Now swing and bring your hands under and together so the ribbon strip forms a ring. Tape the ends together. Now I believe you will have the simplest Moebius strip I can think of.
Name: GK John
I have never met Napolean either
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 10:36:29
Comments:
Roy- I always thought that when someone applied pretzel logic to something, one was bending or twisting their means to justify the end (Does that sound right?) or making a conclusion fit into a statement or problem by assimilating some sort of absurd explanation and making it sound plausible (?) I get so confused sometimes!
Ole- Do you mean moebius the famous French cartoonist who gained immense popularity from the mid 70's introduction of Heavy Metal Magazine? (Or Metal Hurlant in France)
Am I making sense today?Hey Geena! You out there? Just wondering when you'll weigh in on this Littleton thing...
Name: fezo
runningonfumes
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 10:26:23
Comments:
Herm: Guns have always been easily available. When I was in high school almost twenty years ago, it was easier to score a pistol than some hash. What prevented a Colorado like carnage was some innate sense of we're all in this bs of school together. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't some Panglossian utopia, there were nerds, there were the snotty rich kids, there were rednecks who seemingly lived for nothing but riding endlessly around the park chugging Buds, and on occasion, one of the three groups was getting harassed by other. But we sure as hell never felt compelled to resolve the disputes with gunplay.
Ole: Great post. I wish I could write like you.
Name: Roy.Scam
altimira.speelunkers.society.
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 08:44:29
Comments:
Ruby, Oleander: Regarding the title of Pretzel Logic: I've never actually manufactured a pretzel (but I'd love to find the time). I presume it involves taking a linear object and turning it into a shape that eventually returns to its starting location. The beauty of a moebius strip is that you can reach any and all points, any number of times, without ever leaving the strip or going backwards. Likewise a pretzel with its rounded exterior.-- If we could take time (which we know as strictly linear), twist it and join its ends, we could visit and revisit any point: the Napoleonic Era, the minstrel days, even meet the Altimira Man; and we'd never have to break the rules about leaving reality or moving backwards in time. --- Twisted logic is sometimes the most fun.
lisa & sam: Have a good time at the Dan/Jazz Fest, and please avoid people with scalpels and tubs of ice. Better yet, swing by and leave your vital organs with me.
RS
Name: Sociable Hermit
MondayMorningYouSureLookedFine
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 08:07:59
Comments:
Hi,
In the aftermath of this tragedy, many people have come up with potential solutions to hopefully stop this from occurring again. When I suggested banning guns, I met met with some resistance, and I think I may know why that is: people are looking for quick-fixes to cure the problem. Quick-fixesare fine as long as you intend to do some major, long-lasting repairs further down the road. Yes, banning guns effective tomorrow might not do much immediately, because of all the guns currently in circulation, but, years from now, I believe that it will help immensely. I think you can compare it to segregation. Just because blacks finally got the same "rights" granted to them that whites had, did not mean that every white person with propensity toward racism would automatically be civil and treat all blacks as they rightfully should be treated. It took time. It still doesn't work as well as it should, but you must agree that it is a hell of a lot better now than it was when the civil rights bills were enacted. In order to make things work, you have to look to the future, not just the present. The fact is, that guns are much more accessible than they were twenty years ago. If they were so easy to get back then, I'm sure there would have many cases of bloodshed in my high school alone.
Herm
Name: q
FLAROOM
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 07:11:25
Comments:
Before this takes on a life of it's own - NO offense or innuendo of any kind was intended against Dan K. !!!!!!!!!!!
Dan has included me in postings in the past and his was simply the first that came to mind !
Geez.. I did'nt know running the Caves of Altamira Recource Recovery Project would be so difficult !
Q
Name: lisa & sunny sam
trippin the light f@ntastic
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 06:10:47
Comments:
we're on our way to the promised land-
hope they got good weed.
see yall in the big easy...p.s. roy.scam: we will miss you like we'd miss our own liver.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 05:54:37
Comments:
Q,
Being eliminated from cyberspace isn't that easy. My point of presence is still active even if I cease to exist. I survived Melissa and Chernobyl and suspect that I will be around for some time. I do like Caves, it is one of my favorites though. I have visited, Penn's, Howe's, Crystal, and many unnamed ones in my time.Please let me know if you need more information. You can reach me at the above email address.
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 at 05:14:51
Comments:
We at the Caves of Altamira Resource Expoitation Center have recvd 11,243 emails concerning a reference made about one " Dan Krouse" - for those of you who did'nt understand - Mr,. Krouse is a fine gentleman - BUT REMEMBER - he does not exist. Please switch your DBX Decoders to "Skunk Baxter".
Thankyou,
Q
Name: Peter North
Son, you'd better be ready for love
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 23:34:11
Comments:
jk- Don't fret, I've been working hard at making more films. This computer thing is just my other hobby. Believe me, during the time that I'm not logging on, I am grinding out my living. Thanks for your concern,
Pete
Name: oleander
no in at the room
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 22:28:59
Comments:
David--Hope you/ she can make it happen.
Stranger--C'mere, let me soothe that fevered brow with a WASHCLOTH. And tell you what, when you get to New Orleans, I'll take you to see "The Matrix."
Q--Right, except it'll be Kinky in that greasy chair.
Mu--I know. Does that mean they'll go full court in the White House?
GKJ, Herm, Doc, Mr. Stew--BEWARE: RANT AHEAD> I agree with Herm--all of the above. In the aftermath of something like this, there's always a flurry of finger-pointing, which usually ends up going nowhere. Like Mr. Stew sez, it is WAY deep and WAY complicated. Parents, schools, government, religious institutions, kids themselves, media, greedy gun & computer software manufacturers, people without kids who don't want to pay taxes to help schools--all share. It seems to me that what really matters is that we all pick something and do something about it. It may be as simple as refusing to knuckle under to our kids' badgering to get Mortal Kombat, the latest violent misogynistic materialistic gangsta rap cd, or sophisticated toy weapons. Or going to our kids' schools and starting to ask the right questions and push the dialogue. Or working to promote parenting education, anger management, peer counselling, etc. Or watching TV with our kids and TALKING about what they are seeing. Or as several said, actually spending time with them and making sure we know what's going on with them. A parent-child disconnect like that in Littleton is a worse horror than anything I've seen in the movies. About gun control: the drug/ gun analogy doesn't quite fit. Gun manufacturers are legal and domestic. At every attempt to ban a particular weapon, they just alter it a smidge and resell it. They are as conscious and ruthless as the tobacco industry, but they could be squeezed just as big tobacco has been, if the government weren't in the lap of the gun lobby (apologies, Peter). The drug industry is illegal and sources are largely foreign, making it a lot slipperier and less amenable to traditional democratic (not Democratic) interventions. Unfortunately, one of the reasons the gun problem is so bad is related to the demand created by the drug problem. If gun manufacture, sale, and acquisition were really controlled, there would be a tremendous impact, but of course that won't fix it. There will always be traffic in illegal weapons, and it will take a long time to make a dent in the ugly ocean of clandestine weapons--but as Stranger says, we can't NOT do it. As for the media, I love the First Amendment, but there sure as hell are some things it is NOT OK to say. Or to say to certain groups, like kids. And there are laws which regulate some of them. We can work on demand for violent entertainment on our end, but there comes a point--eg, the Nuremberg Files--where I agree on ceasing & desisting. The problem, of course, is where is the point?
Ruby--OK. I really believe you're not being facetious. REALLY. Just snowed by conservative bullshit. But I still like ya. BTW, I think "pretzel logic" refers to a Moebius strip--a 1 dimensional construct made with 2 dimensions in 3 dimensional space.
Mitch--You wanna give me a date in November?
johnboy--jeez, another date hog. All right, you got 2001.
momfred--gotcha.
poop--I saw that book. Aside from the coincidental name, it has NOTHING to do with OUR Mr. Becker.
o off
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 16:08:37
Comments:
I'm sorry - but I have already sewn up the Caves of Altamira rights - in fact I sold the rights to the name to ABC back in '78
in exchange for a vial of Donald's urine.I have been financing the purchase of an extensive collection of Steelus Danus artifacts from the royalties and other marketing and distribution of resource material from The Caves of Altamira site for the last 2 decades.
Our next project is the exploitation of the "Kamakariad blueprints" - we intend to obtain a licence from Tipper Gore(Al's business manager) to allow us to eliminate internal combustion engines of all types following Al's victory in the 2000 election cycle.
We then intend to open a new wing in The Smithsonian dedicated to two fellows named Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, respectively.
After consulting with Al's(Tipper's) finance committee we have determined that a one time fee of $2billion is appropiate to explore all alternatives for influencing the Public Conciousness
utilizing the Words And Music of Messr's Fagen & Becker.Projections from The OMB, FDA,FCC,NASA,ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,The Spanish Channel,FOX, Scully ,Muldor(sp?), and the Smoking Man, indicate that we should be able to achieve full penetration(of the Public Conciousness), at which time the Public will submit to our every whim. Ultimately - no one will live in New York City No More.
All universal "need to know" communications from this point on will be dissenminated through the moniker " Big Fan"(Dan Krouse is NOT a real person)
Stay Tuned and keep your DBX decoders in the "on" position.
"Q"
Name: DrMu
lost my
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 14:46:31
Comments:
Bering (s) not Gerings
Name: DrMu
faded yellow-green
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 14:44:51
Comments:
The science world has been rocked recently by the discovery of human skull fossils, tools etc. in North America which preceded the movement of people from Asia across the "land bridge" that spanned the Gering Strait 7000-8000 years ago. These fossils and tools have been found in Nevada, Georgia etc. and date from 9000-13,000 years ago. The shocker is that reconstricted skulls resemble Europeans, not Asians. Moreover, the tools were similar to those used in Spain and France during that period. Anthropologists theorize that the European settlers followed the edge of the ice pack (this was during and near the end of the "ice age") in the North Atlantic by boat using a route similar to Leif Ericksson. They postulate that these original "native americans" were either killed or more likely mated with the Asians who migrated down from Alaska thousands of years later. A nice article can be found in I believe Newsweek. The US Department of the Interior has been inundated with phone calls, faxes amd e-mails of people claiming to have ancestors who lived within 100 km of the Caves of Altamira: they're asking for a cut of the Casino profits raked in on reservations in Connecticut and elsewhere. .
RB: One t.
That's DTMA.
Probably the same stuff, repackaged. Most likely an "unofficial" release
Name: Ruthless
g@rdner
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 07:11:45
Comments:
"Though he purrs, the Cat's only partly here,
Poised 'tween the hearth and the street outside.
Half-tame, half wild, he's a walking riddle,
Playing both ends against the middle.And so Man hangs between Truths he must fear
And the murderous animal under his hide.
The Dog's by nature the best of his friends,
Playing the middle against both ends. "
Name: Captain Crunch
now with extra sugar!
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 at 02:03:25
Comments:
f off: Wow, you must have just completed one of those anger management courses Mr. Stewart mentioned!
Mu: Exactly. That's why Clas is running around naked in Slidell. No place to hide a bomb or a weapon and there's no law against displaying a pea-shooter in this country.
Roy: Please ask Myra to make all those new laws you mentioned come true. Then we won't have to be so sneaky around Major Bellows.
Time for Another Nourishing Breakfast,CC
Name: what the f
what an interesting game?
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 22:23:14
Comments:
okay, I get it.
fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me
fool yourself... worst of allfrom the perspective of a little spider ant hills seem as mountain peaks; a straining voice reverberates larger distorted 'other'voices, exaltations self-reflected: top of the world, ma
or down in the bottom?some great Web of deceit. a poor liar might still trust his own prowess. worst liar fools no one and believes lies to himself.
transparent. deluded.
all the new clothes have no emperor
king of the hill naked and small inside, baiting everyone around?
eat 'em and smile, gratifying himself underneath for all to see.
and they see it all right... hiding your hand? so you hope.
11 emotionally arrested tracks o' tireless whacking off, listed.
nothing personal,no offense. express yourself (all of them)
a true friend would be honest [deface da music] if you were worthy? or, maybe it's only rock and roll to one pathetic sick fuck and if you don't want to get any on ya, leave now. or, maybe the only winning move is not to play, especially if there is nothing worth winning... fanmail from some flounder feeding at the bottom on his own smegma? [how did moose and squirrel get in room?] okay. enough literary posing. you probably weren't born an asshole- you've had a lot of practice according to archives; you have accomplished great things from all that hard work.
a sterling display, albeit a waste of intellect trapped in a junior high school locker room next to a pair of new sneakers, innocently placed- weak with laughter, falling all over yourself after smearing some shit... shall I go on? or,how about a nice game of chess? nah.
[my sincere apologies to the rest of the GB (approx. 50%???)...
how do you Danizens put up with the stench?]
f off
Name: RubyBaby
CA dre@min'
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 22:04:24
Comments:
I saw Lost & Found and LMAO. We only went because it happened to be playing at the right time, but glad we did. The Hollywood Bowl was in this one. It brought back some FINE memories!!Anyway, one of the Previews showed something called "Outsider" (I think). At the end of said preview, it listed a few of the featured musical artists of the movie. You guessed it - Steely Dan is one of them. Eagles is another. Can't recall the other 2 but I already recommend it. It hasn't opened yet, so there's time to guess which SD tune they use...
RoyScam: why the hell did they call that song Pretzel Logic? I've always wondered that.
Dr.Mu: I saw a cd today that said "Becker/Fagen The Masters"
It has the same stuff as Old Regime and Roaring of the Lamb. Is it just another attempt to sell demos or are they actually master recordings? And when they re-re master an album, is it better? Do they add new things? I need guidance, as you can tell. But I'm not too proud to ask. You still da Bomb!Clas: I said you can smoke in the Cincinnati Airport - that was all.
Clothing is not optional until you get to New Orleans!rb
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 18:58:01
Comments:
Levon.............you've got a point there........
Name: Levon
levonlittle@aol.com
Location: Boston, MA
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 18:46:55
Comments:
I just thought of something. I was 20 years old when Steely Dan put out their last record. Now I'm 40 and still no record. What's wrong with this picture?
Name: El Supremo
keeping track of Clas from WB's 11 tracks-of-whack. com
USA
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 14:49:38
Comments:
Hello, DanFanDom!
Concerned about Clas and his arrival, I called the telephone number fromn 'Lisa' and talked with a desk person in Cincinnati, named Melanie, and she told me she "checked-him-in" and she 'did' remember him, and that he flew out this morning.
So, apparently, Clas put his clothes back on (realizing he was in the United States) and is on-the-way to the New Orleans JazzFest--dammit, Clas, what are you so 'melodramatic'??
We Wish we were with you!!
KatyDanFan and El Supremo
Your 'outcasts' and deranged SD fans for life
Cheers!
ES and JKDF
Name: jk
jk
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 14:14:22
Comments:
Peter north should spend more time on his career instead of lurking the net so much
jk
Name: Larry Flynt
doing wheelies
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 14:00:11
Comments:
Roy.Scam: aaaaaaauuuuwwwwaaaaaahhhh...Better yet, we should finally let the Republicans have there way and ban sex. It is Century's End and we as a society could ensure that no more children would be produced who might someday might create Johnny's playroom on school grounds. aaaaaaauuuuwwwwaaaaaahhhh... If we can get this through an emotional Congress (who I have numerous pic shots on) quickly, the signing of this bill will coincide with the opening of my new virtual-sex theme park: Schproing West. All your fantasies fulfilled. Ruthie, silver keys, and hemp await!
Name: Michael C. Packard
mcpio@inu.net
Location: Warm, but beautiful day in the Pineywoods forest with my grandson,
"Alec"; primo SD 'fan' on a Saturday, "Sorry, Angel, I get hungry like a
child when you smile. com"
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 13:58:13
Comments:
Howdy DanFanGangLand!!
So, it is apparent that Clas entered the 'cuntry' without clothes, or with ". . .some fine Belizian", and didn't want to 'give-it-up'. Well, here we are again with some sadistic (probably listens to Steely Dan music in their lives, and EATS 'froot loops', too).
Whatever the consensus of the GB 'clique' might be, I might think about supporting. However, you like to listen to " . . . I detect the El Supremo from the room at the top of the stairs . . ."Let-me 'vent'; por favor, 'gang' ". . .when the Razor boy comes and takes your fancy things away . . ."; and various lyrics which might lead one to thinking about going to the 'unregulated gun show' buying the 9mm 'Tec-9' pistol, along with the bonafide 'Bowie Knife" which was used at the 'Alamo'. So, where does that leave us, today? Well, Richard Speck killed some Chicago nurses (maybe 7 or 8) in the early sixties; some poor pathetic people 'took out' my former Oklahoma City federal building where I had to go sign my 'name' a hundred or so times when someone stole my income tax refund check from the US Postal Service and cashed it. Yes, Charles Whitman took out several from the University of TexAss tower, as did Mr. Kennard at the Luby's cafeteria.
Where do WE (as SD fans stand here?) One never knows. Now, as I am listening to "I.G.Y" from the Nashville, Tennessee set---it amazes me about all of this, as did the Oklahoma City bombing, and the 'James Byrd' from Jasper, Texas, ol' fashun' dragun' mentality' of this area in which I now live...
If, indeed Clas has been detained, Lisa, I will go to Slidell tonight and get him out of this predicament. Why didn't y'all tell Clas that he needed to wear clothes when he entered the U.S.A.??
Another thing, East Texas 'redneck smoke' is far superior to anything that Clas could have brought with him. Guess I will call him now, and smile, Gang---it has only been about 18 years since "Gaucho". So, what I would like to know 'from YOU' is, what keeps you 'hanging on' to Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's music, and why are y'all so weird??
Saludos, mi Amigos y Amigas
Michael C. Packard
; )
Name: Roy.Scam
Stepped.up.on.my.platform
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 09:26:44
Comments:
I say we should pass a law against murder and, once and for all, put an end to all of this killing people. Then, when the killing is stopped, we should make the sale and importation of heroin and cocaine illegal, thus allowing people to go on with their lives without the burden of having to use drugs.
Following a rash of appearances of weapons at one of our local high schools, the authorities, in a show of courage, attacked the problem forthrightly and banned the wearing of starter jackets in school. Some criminology expert discerned that the loose fitting jackets could facilitate the concealment of weaponry. They found that controlling fashion was much easier and safer than directly confronting those unpleasant gun-carrying types. --- And it's a whole lot easier than paying attention to the people who are growing up in your own house.
Bigger D: Yes, I found Myra in a bottle on the beach. She can make it all happen with a blink. It is my awesome responsibility to see that her powers are used for good. God help us if she turns to the dark side.
Reason # 88 to like Steely Dan: You can, almost without exception, determine the title of their songs by listening to the words (Pretzel Logic notwithstanding). I've been hearing Led Zeppelin songs for almost 30 years and I still don't know half of them by name. [See also- Rainy Day Women, Bohemian Rhapsody, Opus 17, The Weight, The Rain the Park and Other Things, Key West Intermezzo]
RS
Name: baby
wrote me a letter
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 07:32:44
Comments:
A Little Boy's Letter to God:
A little boy wanted $100 badly and prayed for 2 weeks but nothing
happened. Then he decided to write God a letter requesting the $100.When the postal authorities received the letter addressed to God
USA, they decided to send it to the President. The President was so
impressed, touched, and amused that he instructed his secretary to
send the little boy a $5 bill. The President thought this would appear to be
a lot of money to a little boy.The little boy was delighted with the $5 and sat down to write a thank you
note to God, which read: Dear God, Thank you very much for sending the
money; however, I noticed that for some reason you had to send it through
Washington,D.C. and, as usual, those jerks deducted $95.
Name: DrMu
the 'stand gave me the nudes
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 07:26:12
Comments:
Topic: With Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied re- re- masters being release simultaneously on 5/11 (if you're real nice to your vendor, you might be able to get it Mon pm at the back of the delivery truck), the query I'm forwarding is "Which album do you like better and why?" I'll follow later with ny own thoughts.
If you haven't heard - New Ben Folds Five release this Tuesday. No one has a better imagination around than Ben Folds. "Whatever and Ever Amen" is a classic with a potpourri of musical styles...and Fear of Pop is weird, wild, wacky stuff...with the Squirrel Nut Zippers is Chapel Hill the Austin of the late 90s?
Mr. Stewart: My heart goes out to you. When I was a small kid (K through 3) in Illinois, they did things right. Went back a few years ago - what a freakin' mess. Colleges of Education and the Federal Government have been, in a misguided but well meaning effort (kinda reminds me of Clinton and Kosovo - successful execution of a plan actually counts!), putting teachers in a vice trying to force teachers to recondition and adapt to students with little central (home) guidance and a chaotic cultural/Jerry Springer society. tangent: M Diver - let's take the "guns" out of the pants of adults - mass sterilization!! Parenting allowed only if you pass the final exam!
I'm not sure the teachers' unions have helped who seem less concerned about the qulity of the teachers, but instead are trying to protect themselves and their conditioned comfort in underpaid jobs. One thing about the Littleton crisis that's clear, is the dedication of many of the individaul teachers. Let's help them for a change as parents!! I'm sure you have more thoughts on this. Hang in there.
Name: poop
waltsoloCD@now
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 06:11:35
Comments:
Link
by Walt Becker
From Kirkus Reviews , September 15, 1998
Earnest, slightly hokey Michael Crichton style adventure tale that poses
an extraterrestrial origin for some of humanity's best and worst traits.
Newcomer Becker's grasp of speculative anthropology is surprisingly
down-to-earth he appends a solemn afterword on unanswered questions
about human origins, including a bibliography ranging from Charles
Darwin to Carl Sagan. But such high seriousness is undermined by
gratuitous gunplay, turbid romance, and spy-versus-spy plotting. A
better-than-average debut that evokes suspense and moments of gee-whiz
wonder from a tired science-fictional premise. -- Copyright ©1998,
Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved.
Name: M Diver
yuppie@yippy
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 at 05:54:00
Comments:
Guns don't killl people. Kids do! Stop having them. The world has way too many people now. Keep your rubbers on!
Look at the far reaching effects of this tragedy. It has ruined this chat group for any SD discussion.
Has jerome aniton posted here yet?
MD
Here's a note from one Miss Turnbull/Certain Homework was not done/tiny holes in brand new windows/from an unknown bb gun /designer trenchcoat i bought for you/ "Science project" in the garage /keeps you up til one or two
Name: Groucho Marx
why@a duck.com
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 22:49:52
Comments:
What this country needs is a 7 cent nickle. Each time you'd go down to the newstand and buy a nickle paper you'd get 2 cents back.
Name: Mr. Stewart
rmech@alaska.net
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 22:39:52
Comments:
.....what to say. I don't know about taking all of the guns away. Black Market'd be right there with double Ak-47's or worse. Evil exists and some skinny man with two tone shoes can provide you with anything you want. I mean, come on, aren't I talking to the same people here who'd agree that drug prohibition has been a costly disaster? It's a deeper issue. Anger management being taught in grades k-12 is a start. Anger management classes for parents, too. How many times have I stood in my second grade classroom, some irrate parent going off on me in defense of their little johnnie/sally who blithely lies and steals, gets in trouble for it and then lies again about it to the parents who believe him/her over me? I sit in the hot seat watching the nostrils flare wondering how it came to this, waiting for the wrath to subside so we can approach reasonable dialogue. I've heard rumors that all parents used to back up the teacher.
Also, the system of wages earned for work performed in this country is all screwy today. Teachers, child welfare workers living hand-to-mouth while the big (perverted) salaries are in pro sports and playing mega-gigs at the Gorge (sorry D&W). O.K., strike what I said about the Gorge...I had a helluva good time there in '96. But maybe if we were all a little more comfortable marriages would remain intact more often, dads or moms could stay at home for those critical first five years of johnnie's life, more family vacations could be taken (helping keep family ties polished) without getting Visa involved (anyone else forced to pay their taxes with a credit card this year?).
But only a fool would say that.
Mr. Stewart
Name: Peter North
In the evening I go gunnin'
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 22:21:01
Comments:
Would gun control impact my career? Hey, Ruby, I'll shoot you anyday.
Name: RubyBaby
just shoot me
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 21:35:14
Comments:
Lisa: Wow - I thought Clas was flying in through Cincinnatti (how the heck do you spell that?) If I called him now it would be midnight, so I'll wait til morning. Never a dull moment with our Clas, is there?Dr.Mu and everyone else who thinks we should ban guns: I have some questions. I'm not being fecetious - these are real questions. I would like answers...
1) Is anybody keeping tabs on what guns & how many the criminal elements have?
2) If we make guns illegal, and all the law-abiding citizens turn theirs in, will the unlawful folks do the same? How will we know?
3) Will prohibition of guns work similarily to Prohibition of alcohol?
4) Pretending that all guns are gone (even the "bad guys" don't have any), then will someone determined to hurt people just give up, or find other ways?
5) Will they still be able to make homemade explosives? If so, shall we ban pipes, propane tanks, etc?
6) Assuming that everyone turns in their guns, where do you think those guns will end up?
7) If we give up our right to bear arms, what next - our right to defend ourselves? Why not? Doesn't it amount to the same thing?
8) What about people in Alaska? Will they be able to keep a gun (in case of grizzly bears)? I doubt a baseball bat under the bed would cut it.
rb
Name: DrMu
oops
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 19:42:47
Comments:
1945 not 1947
Name: DrMu
machine gun ibiza
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 19:40:27
Comments:
CDNow and CDUniverse are now taking pre-orders for Katy Lied and Pretzel Logic due 5/11.
GKJ: couldn't agree more. can't add much to your thoughts or my previous overly verbose rant - see (1
Soc: There is an inescapable logic that if only the guns could be taken away, the killing would stop. Cases in point: Germany and Japan, countries with a long history of armed conflict, swordfight, invasions, etc., who we disarmed in 1947...con't give the UN of NATO too much trouble now...but, of course, we can't Armed violence is part of our national psyche and history...a tough road.
The lead up top refers to Prefab Sprout. A couple of the Thomas Dolby references lately inspired another listen to the Dolby produced recordings. Unbelievagly clean and awesome dynamic range. Walter Becker has referenced them in some interview as a Dan-like band. Wild Horses and Machine Gun Ibiza from Jordan: The Comeback are real sonic sunbursts which will knock your socks off. From Langely Park to Memphis has a Dan-like sound too on like "I Remember That." Venus of the Soup Kitchen and Nightingales are/should be classics. Any Sprout fans still out there?
Name: lisa
@ fallen comrade
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 19:36:15
Comments:
look- the danfest isn't officially slated to begin until next week and already we have drama- i just received a call from our beloved clas...he flew out of stockholm this morning, was scheduled to arrive in slidell, la. just a little while ago...it seems he's been detained by our government in kentucky until further notice...they have him holed up at some hotel near the airport...he has no idea what's going on and is all alone and very frightened.
if there are any guestbookers near the holiday inn in covington, ky- please go and comfort him...smoke a joint with him...smooth back his hair as you would a child's, all the while chanting a lullaby of reassurance...or if you prefer, give him the # for a nice clean hooker?
any concerned beings can make contact at (606) 371-2233 room 136.
come on.
put yourself in his loafers.p.s. if you don't get an answer, he might be disco dancing in the lounge downstairs...just page mister clas lundkvist.
Name: momfred
yallcomebacknow.here
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 18:33:00
Comments:
I was at the grand ole opry last thursday for neil young.
he was fine.guess this'd be #5 for Matrix. stayed and saw it again... would that be #6 ?
li'l fred told me after school today that he didn't want a bb gun anymore. . . just a bike 'with gears'.
11/13 taken yet?
man.
Name: Mitch
mt. belzoni
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 18:07:25
Comments:
Some things i think i think.
That the new one is to be released in november That when war and tragedy occurs the GB becomes both a liberal and conservative think tank. That parents have to know what their kids are involved in, and who their friends are. That the Government can scale back social programs, then blow billions on conflicts that have been unresolved for hundreds of years. That the Crosby Stills Nash and Young Tour will be the hottest tour this summer.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch we hunt...
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 16:35:04
Comments:
Herm: I'm wondering about the practical side of banning guns. How would you suggest the actual process of making us a "gunless" society would work? I've got a 20 guage shotgun in my closet that I bought as a 16 year old... I've had it for 25+ years... and I live alone... Are you suggesting I must "turn it in"? Don't take me for a NRA'er because I'm NOT... and I do have major problems with handguns and "assault rifles"... But I honestly believe the "genie is out of the bottle" on this one! There are so many guns, of all types, out there that I can't imagine how you'd find them all... and if all the honest people turned their guns in... well, then the notion "only criminals will have guns" is seemingly apparent. BTW there is such a thing as "responsible gun ownership"... rigidly defined... trigger locks, etc. Anyway, Herm, I agree with you and GKJohn et al, the Colorado tragedy really must be blamed on parental neglect!!!
OK, I'm off my soapbox. Y'all can start shooting at me now.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Okay, I Lied
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 11:14:01
Comments:
One last thing.
I'm not suggesting that movies or video games are responsible for these killings. What I'm saying is that their obsessions with them were warning signs to their aberrant behavior. It went unnoticed, and unchecked. I believe that anyone has the right to view anything they want. I am not against banning anything, unless it could physically harm someone else. Like guns.
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
OneLastThing,Really
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 11:09:33
Comments:
Get all guns off the streets! The Constitution was written in a time when we still needed a malitia. And, it was a much smaller country, and probably easier to control any problems.
NO GUNS!!! If you want to protect your home, get an alarm system. Keep a bat under your bed. I read that only less than 1% of all guns are used to protect the owners. This isn't the old west, or a Bruce Willis movie. People don't have shoot-outs with outher citizens. They have them with the police because they have commited a crime. Melt all guns, and imposed HUGE fines on anyone who has one in their possession, anywhere. Yes, a gun does not shoot and kill by itself, it needs a person to pull the trigger. But if these people with those intentions do not have access to guns, there wouldn't be mass death and bloodshed like we've been seein lately.Later,
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
OneMoreThing
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 11:01:25
Comments:
Dear GK John, Stranger, and all my other liberal friends:
I could not agree more with what you say regarding this horror in Colorado. I was in fucking shock when I read on line only hours after if happened, that these monsters were described as being from, "good families", and "a good school". Let's start with the family.These boys had very few friends. Spent HOURS playing ultra-violent video games. Worshipped Adolph Hitler. Hated blacks, hispanics, and jews. Wore black trench coats (everywhere), and swastika patches. They also spent HOURS watching the movie, "Natural Born Killers". They had a web page that explained in detail how to build home-made bombs. An on-line newsletter published by one of them described the myriad ways he wanted to kill someone in his class. (The boy targeted was not a victim in Wednesday's rampage.) They produced a long, detailed, video that
showed them with real guns, acting out a slaughter that eventually took place. They also spent HOURS manufacturing bombs in their own homes. A neighbor of one of them said her heard loud noises and increased activity the weekend before.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE PARENTS THEN? How can ANY of this go on in a "good home"? They were also under the constant examination of a parole officer for the previous crime of breaking into a van. This man gave them both sterling reports, going on about how smart they were, and how they had unlimited potential. Were these kids either incredible actors, clinical schitzophrenics, or was it that parents and other supposed leaders of the community just didn't really give a shit enough to care?
Now, I know, this might seem a bit extreme. I'm 36 this year, and I can still remember the feeling of alienation as a teenager, both directly and indirectly. Yet no one I ever knew killed anybody, or even tried. And even back then, parents and educaters were just as suspect in carrying out their duties as they are now. So what is it? Blame the parents? Blame the school for not investigating their behaviour? (Ahem, the video taped "fantasy" violence should have been addressed.) Blame the gun problem? Blame kids themselves for teasing and ostrisizing their peers that they deem "uncool"?
Yes.
Actually, all but the last. Kids have acted like that for centuries, and will continue to act that way, but I feel that much of it could have been diffused if these, and all kids, are given adult attention and direction. Now, obviously, not every child will respond positively to such an act. But I think if the kids sees that at least adults are trying, it gives them the sense that someone cares. As it is, here were kids, and please understand, I am not in any way rationalizing their behaviour, yet they were looked down by their fellow students, and seemed to recieve no guidance from "leaders", i.e., parents, teachers, etc. They found solace in misery, pain, violence and vengence.
I can only think what may have been if instead, all that anger and energy that been addressed, and directed in another way.
Music. Art. Sports. Exercise. Work. I don't know.
I swear, if these motherfucking parents come forward and try to insinuate that they were good kids and they had no idea what was going on, then they should be put in prison. The lives of way too many people have been ended or altered because of indifference by way too many people, and in the eyes of all youth, I feel ashamed to be a parent.Later,
Herm
Name: jk
jk
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 10:51:03
Comments:
Hey I double posted last time. More for you folks to admire!
-5, +5, -10 sounds like my accountant. I need chords, baby. Spell them out please.
No the emmission is not citric - its a creamy delight
tell donald to call me -= i'll straighten him out.
Send money -jk
Name: TheStranger
Fight the Gun Lobby. It's Killing Our Kids
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 10:07:07
Comments:
i keep hearing we can't control guns so we shouldn't try. that's bullshit. look around the world. we're the only civilized country in the world that lets maniacs buy semi-automatic weapons. the nra spends millions of dollars to prevent background checks, waiting periods and measures to control the types of guns sold. all this works in favor of criminals, lunatics, and their right to mow us down because they think mommy and daddy didn't love them enough. you don't have to re-invent the wheel. there are other free countries and they don't sell semi-automatic weapons to anybody. i'm no war hero, but i was in the army and i know what those weapons can do. they are not even useful for hunting. as for handguns, they have only one purpose -- to kill human beings. the gun lobby is a group of deeply disturbed cowards. would you travel across country to discuss guns? that's what an nra convention is. these people need help. we don't need them controlling our legislative processes.
Name: GK John
Nobody's gonna go to school today
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 07:11:50
Comments:
Myra, Ole, Mu, Doc, Ruby, Et. Al.,
You all raise valid and empathic points. But aren't we missing perhaps the most crucial factor in the equation here? Where are the parents? NOW they apologize and duck and hide behind a statement for the media? Respect their privacy while they grieve?
I think a little retro-active respect might have saved them from cutting and running. Unfortunately for them, they now have to live with the shame and the label of having raised inhuman "monsters" for the rest of their days. No amount of spin doctoring is ever going to change the publics' perception of them having fucked up their roles as parents. And at a time when they should look forward to resting on their laurels and reaping the benefits of their retirement and grandparenting rewards in the not-too-distant future.
It angers me as a responsible parent that anyone could sit back and claim they "had no idea" this could ever happen. Aren't they watching? Aren't they wondering why their son is down in the basement or out in the garage until 2 AM? Does mysterious behaviour go unchecked because a child's privacy is sacrosanct? Whose house is it anyway? Were we of a certain age of responsibility allowed such inalienable rights when we were growing up? In my house, I had the right to do what my folks asked, when they asked.An interesting point to make would be parental culpability. This is in practice in many cities where if a child r ilaught vandalizing property and/or committing petty crimes and DUI, the parents are the ones who pay either monetarily or with community service. Can jail time be far behind?
No, this measure may not stop the next child from "going postal", but as a parent of pre-teen children myself, I would be eternally damned if I let my kids ruin my life by doing something so selfish and outrageous. This may not be the answer to curbing senseless adolescent violence or raising parental awareness, but might it work as a deterrent? Could it be any worse than the posthumous hand-wringing plastered in the papers each day? Stop the flow of guns? HAH! It's illegal to use and peddle drugs in this country. Do you see that stopping or slowing down any time soon?Hmmm...
OMIO- C'aint hep you thair, son. N'awlins aint my area of eksperteese!
Name: DrMu
@ the library
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 06:44:17
Comments:
BD: There was a time when people knew the difference between literature (art) and the media. The media is a product of our constitution and free society with the good and the bad
johnboy: and that would be in...Luxembourg?? even what little gun control which could and should pass Constitutional muster would not eleimnate the gun and knife shows or the black market.
In the days after there is hope as stories of bravery and perserverence on the part of students and teachers trickle out of Colorado. If you turn your head just right, you can hear it...and with all the mess going on politically here and with China and Kosovo, there is always the outside chance that 2 decent guys: Bill Bradley and John McCain might be nominated for President...to dream.
May predictions in order of increasing speculation: re- release of Katy Lied and Pretzel Logic; Making of Aja on classic albums on VH1; and announcement of a firm date on the new one. I interpret the new, slick look of the official site as in part an effort to interest, hook casual passer-bys who will be driving through soon when the new product has a firm release date/tour schedule. These guys are not averse to making a buck, ya know.
Ole: No, I'm certainly not suggesting that troubled youths are beyond the help of caring hands and hearts - they need it. It's easier to predict that many of these youths will find and cause trouble - It's just difficult to predict from complexity and chaos theory (assuming one believes it applies to human behavior) how extremeness of the outcome and the way in which it is manifested. That's exactly what I mean - an ounce of prevention will effectively reduce the overall risk, but it's not a panacea.
Name: Jim Rockford
Down in Malibu
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 05:23:43
Comments:
Mr * :
Alternative theory is that the throat "problem" is just an cover story's for DF's unwillingness to sign off on new product. WB is irked and has headed back to Hawaii to stew. In his absence, the official site has veered from it's previously Becker-influenced whimsicalness and now looks more and more corporate every update. If you ask me, the chances of a new . . . Angel!!! Get away from my stash.
Got to go.
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 05:13:25
Comments:
Biggest Dadda - I ALWAYS need more juice !!
Have fun and be safe in New Ole-ans !!!!!!!!!
Do we need to fly extra party favors in ????
A prediction of the scene in New O -
"She takes the taxi to the good hotel
Bon marche' as far as she can tell
She drinks the zombie from the cocoa shell
She feels
Alright"
.................you know the rest - except"At the Grotto
In the greasy chair
Sits the Charlie(freak) with the lotion
And the Kinky hair..........when she smiled she said it all................."
Name: johnboy
drinking@the.milk.bar
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 02:26:11
Comments:
Mu, Oleander: You can easily predict that someone who can't get a gun will not shoot anyone.....
Oleander: New cd: sometime in 2001 (I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that).
Name: Bigger Daddy
SET
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 01:24:11
Comments:
Q: The tower is all yours. Let me know if you need some more juice, ok?
Mu: Yes, I'm sure a head on a stick will quiet the young ruffians. Unfortunately, eschewing the media ultimately excludes Pinnochio and Lord of the Flys as training material. Got any bootlegs of Tea for the Tillerman?
Ole: Sorry, I didn't realize Roy's comments were out of "reverence". Guess we all need to sit down with a bottle of Jaggermeister and marvel as it's contents mysteriously diminish during the conversation.
Roy: Does Myra live in a bottle you found on a beach after a space mission splash-down?
OMIO: The truth will set you free.
Lastly, after all things considered, I think it's probably a bad idea to give your 17 year-old son a brand new black BMW because you're scared of what he'll do if you don't. Especially when he's already been charged with criminal trespass. Call me old fashioned, but...
...It's tough to transport fire-power on a bicycle...Bd
Name: Clas
four dead in Ohio
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 at 00:39:24
Comments:
lefty: "Fall of '92" is mostly -5, +5, -10 chords, standard jazzshit. No mu-chords there, no no.
Roy/Myra, I must say, you two are very funny.
RubyBaby - I call you!
Name: TheStranger
the one and only original
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 23:28:04
Comments:
oleander,
i seem to recall someone posted something signed 'stranger' plus something else. i don't remember. i was feeling lazy at the time and didn't clarify that it wasn't me. but i never write all caps. i'm more of a minimalist. & don't worry. you probably won't get knifed in new orleans. just stay indoors a lot, don't tell anyone your ATM number & brush regularly.i am sick of remastered old albums. paying extra bucks to get the same session put through a different frog blender is not what i'm after. i want new material, get it? I'VE GOTTA HAVE IT, UNDERSTAND? damn, and here i promised not to use all caps.
Name: David
dr2241cage@mindless.com
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 22:53:59
Comments:
oleander: Geez. If all were armed, high school would be as it should. Aja should be online soon, if I have to drive there and
ensure it. Should not we all study Napolean? D.
Name: oleander
unpolypular
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 22:46:25
Comments:
Doc--They would never have given ME a license, and I wouldn't have the three most precious people in my life.
Ruby--I'll be gazing through the glass. Wistfully.
jk--is that emission or emulsion?
OMIO--neither have I. Let me ask around.
*--now jussaminit. The RUMOR was that he had a throat infection. We had some informal chatting about causes of voice problems, but unless you got some inside stuff, nobody here has confirmed that. Anyway, some polyps can clear in weeks to months with voice rest & steroids, but some necessitate surgery with a post-op period of voice rest, again sometimes to the tune of weeks.
fezo--next dream, I got your back with pen, paper, and dictaphone.
Bobby B--Damn. I am disappointed. Electronics will have to do.
Mu--it may be a matter of mathematics, but it's more chaos theory than probabilistics. (I think of the guy in Gravity's Rainbow who sat on Ground Zero because he believed that was the least likely spot for the bomb to land.) I don't think it's a matter of toting up behavioral parameters and seeing who gets the hi score. "Going postal" is not necessarily the endpoint. There are a spectrum and a time continuum of behaviors, all of which are part of a gestalt with nuanced warning signs. Trying to find that guy at the ground zero/ endpoint will make you a victim of the uncertainty principle. You cast a wide net for self- and other-destructive behaviors and maybe you'll do more good than you aimed for. The snappers may not have obvious, overt signs like a record, but if someone is paying attention to the things in the cracks between the scientific parameters--if there is a network of school, family, neighbors, law doing grassroots behavioristics--many of them will be found. We come at it from complementary foci.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 18:26:57
Comments:
Ole: Assuming I make it, I'd have to leave Friday morning.
Ya know, sometimes, I can see some merits to the concept of requiring a license to be a parent...
Name: STOP
beating around the bush
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 17:41:14
Comments:
***, So what you're saying is that Donald has polyps on his vocal chords and untill it clears up there will be no record or tour?
Name: *
*@*
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 12:34:36
Comments:
What are polyps, and how long do they take to clear up, anyway? How long before the singing voice returns to normal?
Name: RubyBaby
not home yet
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 10:57:06
Comments:
To everyone young or old, long or short, wide or narrow, cheerful or crabby alike: Hello!
fezo: bless your wise, albeit liberal, heart! for an attorney you are A-OK.
And may the lost lyrics find their way into another dream, revealing your creativity and poetic ideas, for which you have precious little time.DrMu: 3rd of the 5th must be DTMA. I had to go look at the vinyl, because my memory of that one is basically from the 8-track. It had a completely different order. I wore that 8track to a frazzle.
Myra: > You nailed it. Parenting is sometimes hard since so many things these days work against it, but one better find the love to do it anyway. Even risk social & possibly legal consequences. (Today, if you spank your kid, social services may come a-knockin) Nothing is cut & dried anymore. We're supposed to reason out everything with our kids and call it discipline. Forget discipline in the schools - the Dof Education stripped itself of all but token authority. Now we have insecure, unsupervised, very needy kids.
I'm sure this is no surprise for anyone who knows me - I know the answer for our violent children is found at the feet of the Prince of Peace. He tends to make broken things whole.RazorBoy: I'd be delighted to "not go" to the DanFest with you.
Here's what I think we should wear: our oldest, most comforatable jeans, you know the ones with worn out knees and a broken zipper. Then we put on our favorite t-shirt (untucked, due to the zipper), then we choose between our favorite flannel shirt worn open, of course, or our softest sweater. Your weather is colder, so you can have both. I will pull my hair into a pony-tail and don my BlackHawks ball cap. You have a ball cap, right? Sneakers. Now we eat what we want, drink what we please and relax to a homemade tape of our top 20 Steely Dan/Fagen/Becker songs. This is our world. No one can take it from us.
love,peace,joy-
rb
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 09:18:18
Comments:
I've never been to New Orleans.. Maybe someone who knows could
tell the real story here.. Sometime in the old days, there was an area where both Afro American & Native American drummers began to congregate, & swap Drum Dialogue.. And from that combination of influences, both based in deeply spiritual & religious traditions, came some of the signature beats of jazz, such as the New Orleans Second Line, aka the Bo Diddly beat.. Those gatherings were eventually shut down 'cause the white folk were getting nervous about these guys getting together like that.. Any fact in that story?
Name: fezo
hesthemanwiththestagefright
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 06:59:45
Comments:
yet another Dan dream . . .
Walter and Donald are touring this summer (this was the point of my slumber when i realized i had to be dreaming), but need a lead vocalist. I'm picked. A hour before the show. I'm not worried cause I know all the songs but then Walter points to a cheat sheet on top of the piano which has lyrics to a bunch of unfamiliar songs. These are new, he said, we're doing them tonight.
Unfortunately at that point one of the cats decided my foot was his breakfast so I quickly awoke. From what I remember, the lyrics were pretty interesting. I wish I had thought to write them down.
Name: lefty
donsoven@headin .com
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 06:06:08
Comments:
Anyone caught playing hendrix air guitar righty is dead meat.
2. Earth: humans are the virus. Mayans say its all over on Dec. 23, 2012 anyway. Don't bother buying xmas gifts that year.
3. No official response from the Thomas Dolby camp on the rumours of his work with Walter.
4. Ben Folds' management said "Let me get back to you" on those rumours.
5. maybe we shouldn't buy the newly remastered CDs so that Dan will have to get the new product out quickly to make some dough. Donald would be pressured on the "new jewels front."
6. hey who has a tape of the 95 Roseland shows?
7. Hey you mu heads - give me the chords to Fall of 92, wet, and jack speed. thank you.
8. Denny will be playing in Plymouth, MA on july 3rd at a festival.
9. Has everyone been calling Andy McKaie at MCA for a rarities CD?
10. Now taking orders for Citrus Cloud Emulsion t-shirts.
11. Fat free treat. Mfluff and hershey's syrup mixed and refrigerated. Look on fluff's site for the way cool beach towel.
-thats it -"dismissed" - don't smoke if you got 'em
jk
Name: lefty
donsoven@headin .com
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 05:58:30
Comments:
Anyone caught playing hendrix air guitar righty is dead meat.
2. Earth: humans are the virus. Mayans say its all over on Dec. 23, 2012 anyway. Don't bother buying xmas gifts that year.
3. No official response from the Thomas Dolby camp on the rumours of his work with Walter.
4. Ben Folds' management said "Let me get back to you" on those rumours.
5. maybe we shouldn't buy the newly remastered CDs so that Dan will have to get the new product out quickly to make some dough. Donald would be pressured on the "new jewels front."
6. hey who has a tape of the 95 Roseland shows?
7. Hey you mu heads - give me the chords to Fall of 92, wet, and jack speed. thank you.
8. Denny will be playing in Plymouth, MA on july 3rd at a festival.
9. Has everyone been calling Andy McKaie at MCA for a rarities CD?
10. Now taking orders for Citrus Cloud Emulsion t-shirts.
11. Fat free treat. Mfluff and hershey's syrup mixed and refrigerated. Look on fluff's site for the way cool beach towel.
-thats it -"dismissed" - don't smoke if you got 'em
jk
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 at 00:57:00
Comments:
Farique Abdul - aha! You think I'm stupid! I would never give you the flightnumber. But I can tell you this much; the plane is leaving Stockholm for New York 12.50 on Friday 23 April.
Anne L Thomas - Hi girl. Welcome to this great world. You have a beautiful name... I guess your parents must have been very happy when they gave you that wonderful name. Have you heard about my dog? Let me know.
Q - "'Sue me if I play too long.......'"
I'm gonna sue you Q, but not because you're playing too long...
Name: DrMu
bottom of the 9th
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 22:54:12
Comments:
Ole: too much verbage on my part. Here's my point. We THINK we can identify the one's that are going to go postal, but the truth of the matter is that we, as a society, are fooling ourselves. If we can't even predict heart attacks reliably, which as you mentioned are better quantifiable than behavior (even though frankly the instruments is that area aare finally becoming more reliable and valid), how can we predict INDIVIDUAL outbursts?
Remember, our basis for prediction is Western science and medicine which operates by inductive reasoning for predicting population outcomes. Predicting tendencies and risks in a profile group is doable, but deductive reasoning is forensic here - and without the benefit of hindsight. It's a matter of mathematics really - complex systems and uncertainty of the original parameters and interaction with a dynamic and changing inputs. We can predict the chance of rain in the Asheville area given certain atmospheric conditions, but we can't say for certainty whether it will rain on your street until it actually does. I can say with good probablility that a similar incident will occur before the New One is released, but I couldn't predict where or who...even if I screened and interviewed all 18 year old high school students who partipated in the same behavior and played Doom and other gothic video games like they did. Certain things are instantly recognizable. I and I'm know you can spot a kid with fetal alchohol syndrome at 100 paces. But many people who snap have little or no criminal or pathopsychological record, and our understanding of the pathoPHYSIOLOGY is limited. Why didn't Florida allow Ted Bundy's brain to be autopsied and analyzed chemically or stored until hypotheses could be tested?
Having said all that our societies climate is ripe with moisture and a swirling confusion of shearing socio/amoral winds which create a high probablity of a meltdown vortex by other troubled youths soon.
Name: Original Lester
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 21:33:18
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F#- I love the Wu and Bru thing- an apt name for what I could best refer to as 11ths and maj 9ths, respectively, neither of which are true 11ths or maj 9ths, but have much the same idea and effect. When I say add 9 that does not mean a 9th chord, which needs a 7th. Adding 9 or 2 is basically the same thing in the case of the Mu. I still contend that Mu chords were hardly ever played in Steely Dan songs. I'll stay open to the possibility that I'm just not hearing it, but for now, I think we should marvel less at the Muing and more at the many other pieces (innovative chord progressions, Fagen's voice, 3-part harmonies, kickass musicians) which made the Dan's sound what it was (and hopefully still is).
Name: oleander
one more thing
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 21:25:53
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Wow. Heckuva near-triple-simulpost. I'm with you guys.
Sorry. One more thing:
Those who have died young/ finally need us no longer/ - you can be weaned
from things of this world/ as gently as a child/ outgrows its mother's breast.
But we who have need/ of those huge mysteries/ we who can sometimes
draw up from/ wellsprings of sadness/ rejoicing and progress
how COULD we exist/ without them?
--Rilke, "Duino Elegies"
Name: oleander
creation's spoiled darlings
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 21:16:11
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stevev--can't seem to get to you through the email. Bon voyage; leave us your page to remember you by; and think of us sometimes on your fantastic voyage.
Doc K--That's all I know of. When do you have to leave?
Q--Seeing the kind of drab, uninformative covers makes me itch to get at the life inside. Sweet what you said about all of us.
Bobby Boomer--well, wet my whistle. We'll save you a Bbooster seat.
Stranger--was that really you, with all those caps? Come on, take Ruby's cue, come see for yourself! BTW--I'll be #4 to say go see "The Matrix." And have you seen "Pi"? Great, and anyone who's had a migraine will squirm in their seat.
Krull et al.--Fla Rm, great. Doesn't anyone think that Mr. F might be capable of being cheesy without irony? Or anyway without a surfeit of it?
Bigger, OMIO--beautifully put. More stats:
Chicago--536 elementary school kids--25% have seen someone shot, 35% someone stabbed
New Orleans--over 90% of elementary school kids have seen violence; 70% have seen weapons used; 40% have seen a dead body
Boston--10% of kids at a primary care clinic have seen a shooting or stabbing before the age of six
3.3 million kids nationwide are at risk of exposure to domestic abuse annually, and up to 90% of kids of battered women witness their mothers getting abused
What does it fucking TAKE? I'm like any parent; I can see my kids at that school. Amid all the frenzy of finger-pointing, there are a few clear things. Yes. TAKE THE GUNS AWAY. The NRA are easy targets because they are blind fools. And they are just as guilty as everyone else of perpetuating this horror. Taking a lethal weapon out of the path of a naturally impulsive being is just common sense. And what has been done to the tobacco companies can be done to the gun manufacturers, who deserve their own circle of hell. Mu, human behavior is even less quantifiable than LDL or patterns of chest pain; I understand your analogy but I don't think it completely fits. Yes, all knowledge is in process, but there are fairly well-delineated profiles of kids who are at risk of violent behavior, and if you're around adolescents a lot, you get to recognize that look that makes your soul run cold. (The image of the male pack is iconized in our culture--"The Wild One," "The Wild Boys," "West Side Story." Even St. Augustine was in a gang, though all they did was steal pears.) To intervene with these kids doesn't presuppose squelching possible creativity or contributions. The solution isn't to lobotomize everyone in a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. The idea is one, to intervene individually to offer ways to deal with desperation, hate, hopelessness, and impulsivity that don't take others with you. And there are ways that work. To say that we "cannot hope to impact this on an individual to individual level" is to say that we cannot hope. And implies that what Myra & I do is hopeless. Of course, trying to work with desperate teenagers is already too late: it's got to start much earlier; there are already a couple of generations teaching their kids that violence is the way to deal with life, not to mention the media--journalism just going along with the zeitgeist. Two, enough lip service already about valuing children. Bullshit. Republicans explicitly and Democrats by omission don't give a shit about the future of children, and look where that's getting us. I don't have much faith in governmental initiatives, but we also cannot hope unless there is a club from above to force initiatives for kids. The simple things, like those you listed, as well as naked economics. A terrible day indeed when we have to talk about teaching parents how to love their kids.
Muzaque--One more rant & I'll shut up. I don't think Roy was being racist, just talking about where he's coming from. Where did jazz come from? Or the blues? Is it wrong for a white person to have reverence for the culture that gave birth to American music?
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 21:14:58
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Oleander - A "Razor Boy Shooter" would be Grand Marinier and and Bailey's Irish Cream - For all I know, there's probably a drink like that with another name - An "Oleander Shooter" would be anisette and butterscotch Shnapps. Ruby, I'd love to accompany you to the Dan Fest. Any ideas on wardrobe? As much as New Orleans strikes me as kind of laissez faire in overall mood, I would want to be ultra comfortable. Your impeccable taste would ensure this.
I have a fourteen year old son, who was quite alarmed at the situation in Littleton, Colorado. Due to the fact that there are so many areas of interests amongst high school student, subsequently more distinct groups or clubs are prevalent within school. There has to be a way to have these various organizations work together, and for the general student body of a school to become more tolerant to what each group is doing
and understand their message. Staff and students of all school organizations must come together to spread harmonie. Gun laws and police on high school campuses. All students have to feel that they are valuable to the school community; That is the challenge facing school administrators and other partners.
Name: Myra Eyefull
my heart is heavy
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 20:26:19
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I haven't posted in sometime because I had little to add to the conversation. In defense of "Roy,boy-toy", he was trying to be funny and clever, with his "white hand" comment but he never meant to imply anything racial about it. He frequently tries to make me laugh but after 25 years, I have heard all of his material and I just try to be polite and smile sweetly.
My thoughts about the latest shooting is that if guns were not available to anyone, kids would have to find another way to act out their rage. Being the mother of three great kids, I don't understand why any parent would not be aware of their children's activities,esp. if he was building up a arsonal of bombs in the garage. It's like shutting the door to the kids room because it is dirty. Parents need to be more involved in their children's lives. Find out what they listen to and try to engage them in conversations about their music and what is going on in their heads. And if you find that your kid is really mixed up and needs some help, find a way to get it for him/her before they completely shut down or do something horrible to someone else. I don't like everything my kids like or do but I do try to listen to them so I have a better understanding of what is important to them. Parents need to get invested in their children's lives, not turn them away when parenting gets tough. When I hear of an untimely death of a child,I want to take my kids in my arms and give them a great big hug and let them know that they are loved so much. I feel for these parents and they are in my prayers.
Myra
Name: frenchtwist
kelleyO13@aol.com
Location: washington, D.C. USA
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 19:06:47
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Florida room ... gives me the same dreamy vibe as goodbye look and babylon sisters (can't shake it)... snowbound, too -- vintage wry dan lyrics from the sub-basement -- but the sounds are sweet. i realize i'm a little late to the party, but was just reading the archives and just had to join in.
back to the black reality we call the nightly news ...
Name: Anne L. Thomas
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 18:20:02
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I am so delighted to find this website. Although I usually listen to classical music, Steely Dan is the only popular music group I like. I have loved them since I heard Countdown to Ecstasy in 1973, when I was twelve (I had heard, but didn't much like, Can't Buy a Thrill two years earlier). I had forgotten about SD for quite some time, but I found two of their tapes (by coincidence, my favorite two - Katy Lied and Gaucho) when I was clearing out my storage area, and my interest has been rekindled. I plan to buy all of their recordings and I am so pleased to find that there are still people interested in them. I will be a regular visitor to this site.
Name: DrMu
mechanized hum of another world
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 12:53:39
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F#, Stranger: Thanks for the input. I only had limited training on the guitar then piano as a young'un - long enough to realize that I should have stuck with the guitar and my appreciation exceeded immensely my natural talent. Way back at my old school we put together though one of the shortest-lived bands. Yours truly was lead trying to make a "joyful noise" up-front, which was tough being a shy kid (don't really think I can sing anyway). We could handle the covers of the America and Eagles songs, but then when we tried to do the stuff we (the keyboardist and I) really liked - such as the Dan. That's when we ran into "the wall." I couldn't reach the high notes in Fagen's range well and the key *s and # and flats were tough (it's weird - now I can handle them much easier even though never really practiced except with headphones, in the shower etc.) and trying to at least emulate the musicianship. We poured over the Katy Lied songbook for a couple of days before we realized it was hopeless). In retrospect, we should have stayed with it and played for ourselves. Anyway, even though the details have become fuzzy over time, what I do remember about the myu (µ) chords (and those similar as mentioned by F#) was there ability to create a certain unique dissonance which helped formed the basis for the Steely Dan sound - a bit of cayenne bite with the gumbo-like fusion these alchemists had created.
OMIO, fezo: Well said. In times like this we wonder all too often who to blame and what to blame. Chapter 5, Song 3 of our hymnals teaches us that the dark side of human nature can possess any one, and it may be nearly impossible to truly understand what is going through the minds of the two trenchcoat mafians or Milosovich for that matter. Evil lives and lurks and festers and explodes. What can we do to minimize it's ugly expression? In a sense it's like assessing heart disease risk today (until the mechanisms are truly understood relating to free radicals (my opinion) - wait about another 10 years here): obesity, high LDL levels, family history, high intake of saturated and trans-fatty acids, high blood pressure increase the RISK of heart heart attacks but do NOT GUARANTEE a coronary. At the same time one recent paper suggested up to 50% of heart attacks may occur outside the bounds of "traditional" risk factors.
People often ask "could we have seen the warning signs?" before this tragedy happened. Well, I guess we could round up all the teenagers who listen to Marylin Manson (not a bad idea), but not all are murderers. Like many heart attacks, sometimes the classic warning signs like angina or very high LDL or cholesterol just aren't there. Hell, eggs are now good for you again (the body makes most of it's own cholesterol, and it's likely that the "heart" of the matter is oxidation of cholesterol and an inappropriate inflammatory, almost auto-immune reponse) One can build a profile for teenagers gone postal: alienated loser, poor relationship with parents, few friends, listens to weird music. That person could end up spraying a schoolground full of lead OR may go on to produce brilliant music. At the individual level, the individual themselves, the family, the community, and society in that order have influence AND responsibility. I think as a society, we cannot hope to impact this on an individual to individual level (see order above), but simply to minimize the RISK and that's all.
The principles are basic. For the best tutorial on what not to do with teens/youngsters with underveloped morale fiber and hormone-ridden neurochemical synaptic gymnastics, I suggest "Lord of the Flies" and "Pinnochio."
1) Parenting - the most important thing is to BE THERE. Teach them. Tell them why. Brainwashing works (even when they're rebelling)!! Would there be advertisements otherwise? Love and discipline and structure.
2) Cooperation with neighbors. Take a page from the elderly ladies I remember when I was very young outside Chicago. If a kid got out of line, they would grab ya by the ear and drag ya back home.
3) Cooperation with teachers - I constantly hear stories from the public schools about the lack of discipline and parents whining to the teachers that "their Johnny" could not be misbehaving despite being presented with a picture of his bunker. Many recent student teachers I've talked to decide to forego teaching because they get little support from parents and rubbery-spined school boards and principals, crappy pay, getting cussed out by the students, and curriculums which were designed by ivory tower academic snipers with only govenment grant $$ on their minds (I know from whence I speak).
4) De-emphasizing the excessive "self-expression" and self-absorption in ordinary people which emerged in the 60s and is just another excuse to belong to another clique in favor more cooperation with family, neighbors, community - common goals and ideals: citizenry. While, at the same time, recognizing and encouraging the rare and extraordinary, even when well beyond the 3rd standard deviation. Dammit, not all of us are fuckin' Mozart, Ellington, Becker, or Fagen! ...even though a FEW could be. We all don't have something important to say (me included). Enjoy art and self-expression, but get a life! It's foolishly attractive as famous people in the entertainment biz today got there though moxy and luck, not talent.
5) The media/Hollywood (the sad designs are always the same) could take more responsibility. My wife told me I missed a good Rockford movie which was a morality play against the excesses of the media. As pointed out here, this type of coverage will only INCREASE the risk of wacko copycats. "I can BE somebody, I can get coverage, I can play God!!"
6) Fezo, I can't believe as a conservative the manner of our disagreement here, but MORE GUN CONTROL! No hunter or pimply-faced kid needs a fuckin' AK-47! Handguns for adults with the proper background check whether concealed or not are OK. For hunters, it's bows and arrows and only if the deer are equipped similarly.Well, all of this is much easier said than done. There are NO GUARANTEES on the individual basis again especially as society has become too complex and chaotic for its own good. That's why I like Texans who generally stick to basic principles and have better common sense and understanding of the human condition than most. The trade-off is all this dang moo dung around here...rant, rant, ... scroll, scroll...
Name: fezo
braveryofbeingoutofrange
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 11:14:39
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OMIO: Great commentary. It pains my liberal soul to defend the NRA on any issue but in this instance I think they are too easy of a target. It's the de-humanization of us all which the media so relentlessly promotes through their content that leads people like those two losers in Colorado and even a bigger loser like McVeigh to take out their life frustrations on innocent victims. Where's the respect for humanity?
Name: Roy.Scam
No.one.night.stand.Be.a.real.cajun
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 10:52:20
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Q, Bigger D: Nice sentiments. One of the saddest realities in this existence is that the human brain can get damaged to the point that it sees logic in destroying arbitrarily selected people. I just hope that the attention from the last 24 hours goes toward the victims and not the soulless units that ran away from everything and left spite as their only legacy.
Musique: I accept your moral indignation and I retract; no political incorrectness intended. I didn't mean the admission of righthandedness and whiteness to be an insult to either of the other 12 percents. I belong to a misunderstood 12 percent myself. Help me out here, Myra; tell them I'm the good guy.
On the subject of sampling, [as in Black Cow/Deja Vu]: I heard a song on the Gospel Express radio show this morning that sampled John Lennon's "Come Together".
You children have a good time at the Danfess/Jazzfest and please report all dirty secrets to this, the best and most understanding of cyber-congregations.
RS
Name: OMIO
commie.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 at 10:33:23
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I live near Springfield, Ore., the scene of last year's shootings. Say what you want about guns, (and I know you will). But consider a news media that arrived within a couple of hours of the shootings, elicited imformation from the hospitals by pretending to be members of the victims family, & airing that info before the families themselves knew about it. Consider the same people keep showing up in front of Thurston HS to get those snappy, visually exciting pictures in front of the Scene of The Crime, sticking cameras & microphones in kids faces and asking "How Do You Feel?" CNN had a school shooting logo & theme music within 90 minutes of the tragedy, turning it into another commodity, a Production, a vehicle for yet more advertising (did we stop the commercials in respect or concern? Hell No..) I mean, they go from a weeping, terrified student, to a Carnival Cruise commercial in the blink of an eye.. They probably have extra time slots for sale during crisis coverage. Greater audience share with prices to match..
Which is the greater violation of Humanity? They seem to work hand-in-glove, the Media & the Murderers, and I don't know who's worse..
Yesterday was a monument to the endless De-Humanizations that characterize American life.. The movies & TV, video games, Pro Wrestling, Chuck Norris value syste