Sign In Stranger Archives -- August 2002

|  Dragon | Day: 30

 Clas -- Lead hasn't been used in pencils in ages. They contain graphite.

|  mWorld | Day: 30

 Well hot damn,

Today is THE DAY!!! I do believe that this is a special day for somebody, right PAT? So probably the last thing you'll being doing is reading this post...but I was thinking about you today...big, wet, sweaty, viscus BIRTHDAY thoughts...I actually attempted to use the Stal cellular hotline from my last Gorge trip, but that one has long since been disconnected...so, happy birthday, man, BTW, I've picked up several Steely Dan baby doll shirts off of eBay for you and 4 pairs of spectator pumps(know you have those collections!) so I'll forward those as time permits.

XOX and see you in December,
mWorld

Hey there to you YGK, Clas, I see you're still hangin'...Ruby?, Geoff?, Joe? Pete? Lovebob? Peg? et al...take care gang...

|  Zan | Day: 30

 Hey t:

Thanks for your suggestion...I just received Beth Orton's "Central Reservation", GREAT!

|  Hutch | Day: 30

 #1750 - Your stuff always causes me to burst into spontaneous laughter. Great medicine at the end of the day.

Fezo - Yep, it's in this article. The reviewer said, "The journey eventually takes him to the Florida Keys, where he fantasizes he's being murdered in 'On the Dunes'".
And Fagen says, "Now how does he get from 'it was like a homicide' to being murdered"?

Beth - Howdy!

Clas - Beth's using way too many dots. You'd better speak to her.

Hutch

|    | Day: 30

 almost gothic?

|    | Day: 30

 Igotthe...

|  Aja@workiskillingmetoday.yikes! | Day: 30

 Hi Beth, I'm Aja, and I'd never hate anyone that animals like! Welcome to the GB. I'm overemployed, strung out on cortisol, but I like lyrics, too. Mostly because I can't write them.

What a day. First it looks like we sold Iraq all the biochemical agents it needs via 1983 Middle East envoy DONALD RUMSFELD (do ironies never cease? Don and Walt, there is a song in there somewhere), and now it looks like french fries might cause cancer:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=health&cat=diet_and_nutrition

I'm just going to pull the covers over my head and pretend today never happened.......

Aja

|  ╡ - IgoththeJonzforNorah | Day: 30

 YGK - She is daBomb live...a sensual experience beyond by comprehension...

10/26 in Stockholm - C, be prepared - your wife is taking you...

|  Beth | Day: 30

 Quite a handle...the Ihatenora.....jeez....well, to each his own eh? Just don't acquire the IhateBeth.com.html.yahoo.aol.zeronet.com okay...I come in peace, no harm, animals trust me or ignore me, whatever....the past scrolls are BUSY aren't they...say, I don't believe we've met....I am Beth...a DEEP SD Fan.....I like talking lyrics...(because they are sooo apropos....I haven't an original thought in my mind but that doesn't keep me from being employed (unfortunately).....and so "how about you?"

|  Aja.......@ihatenorahjones.com | Day: 30

 YGK-you BET I'm dissin' Norah-scroll back a few weeks if you want to know what I really think of her "singing". YOU are the real deal! ;o)

Aja

|  Beth | Day: 30

 well, with a name like Beth...22 oct....beautiful...I do like those Librans...not all...majority I suppose (here we go again)...I do like those Scorps too, Aries aussi, and I have a Taurus friend (eee gads....how the hell did a bull enter in eh?...but it's okay...he is a character....Leos are good to me but there is a line....Cancer oh jeez---all they do is PINCH me.........I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!

|  Beth | Day: 30

 ...yes, and mine is 22 oct.....I like it!

|  the Beav | Day: 30

 and Aussie's is 10/25............a FuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrIday....

|  W1P | Day: 30

 Uh, my birthday is 10/19

|  right o | Day: 30

 to add to WEber's birthday list: happy birthday to clas, saint al, lp and also royscam. all fine people and all libras. just a coincidence?

|  YGK | Day: 30

 Aja: soon, sweetie, soon.......but you dissin Norah? holy cow - that So Cal air! She's the real deal.....

ygk

|  Aja @lunch | Day: 30

 Hey tonesy! e-blast me your #'s. I'm tentatively planning on being there from October 11-14. I will have my SUV with me, but it's a small one and only takes up one space :o) And yes, it HAS to be the one and ONLY Pelican Inn!

Two more SoCal-isms:

9. It is perfectly acceptable to go grocery shopping in your jogbra. The same applies for bikini tops in the summer months (which are April-October).

10. Only two types of dress are needed down here: casual T-shirts and dressy T-shirts. Anything more and people will assume you're from the East Coast.

YGK-Let me know when your CD is available; I'm waiting down here with breathless anticipation. However, Norah Jones? GAG! Still the most painful nonsinging I ever heard.

Aja

|  W1P | Day: 30

 Stevee I am without a clue. Regarding Rather Ripped. You should check out the new Amoeba on Sunset -- it's incredible

|  Drew to Molly | Day: 30

 Babygirl, I can't get you on the phone,nor online. Call me. What is going on? Why are you climbing with vertigo? Honey you're scaring the shit out of me these days. Talk to me Ditty. Tell me what's wrong? I love you D, and i'm always here for you. Be careful, the guy you're after is a certified badass.CALL ME TODAY

|  angel | Day: 30

 A little bit of "Skunk" for a Monday Morning. You can view the whole article, if you sign up, at:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-polcol30sep30.story

"California Party Fun Includes Air Guitar

About 500 wistful Californians and Golden State wannabes swarmed Washington's Capitol Hill Club last week for the annual "California Party," hosted by Reps. Dana Rohrabacher of Huntington Beach and David Dreier of San Dimas.

Entertaining amid inflatable palm trees, beach balls and cacti were Dean Torrence, half of the twosome Jan & Dean; guitarist extraordinaire Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, and members of the original Beach Boys' backup band.

On the menu was sushi, Mexican food and aged agave tequila. Rohrabacher's wife, Rhonda, DJ'd for dancers downstairs while Australian Ambassador Michael Thawley judged an air-guitar contest upstairs.

The winner: Rohrabacher spokesman Aaron Lewis, who gyrated to Baxter's rendition of "Johnny B. Goode.""

|  ╡ - writing on the blackboard 50 times | Day: 30

 [blank]: I was doing fine until I defined "diphthong" as:
a Florida co-ed bending over to pick up a shell on the beach.

Currently in detention...the school marm is harsh and judgemental - the way I like 'em...

|  YGK | Day: 30

 Clas - believe it or not, I almost agree with you - they MIGHT be P-files - as in they may be programmed to continue in the power struggle when there are in a position to do so.
However, there are many situations where the programming is right (I mean wrong, but programmed to continue), but the child has an advocate to give some perspective to what they've experienced, so they are allowed to know for themselves appropriate, healthy behaviour.......
There's a lot of abuse in the world, however, because of advocates and others most likely like Molly, the pattern of Repetition Compulsion stops even when the child is in a position of power themselves.......

If you like nice heavy read, check out Alice Miller.........

ygk

|  Bill | Day: 30

 Well the Dow Jones is down another 150 points.
Thank God the stock market doesn't necessarily reflect what's
happening in the overall economy or I'd be concerned about it.
The stock market operates on two principles IMHO, Uphoria and
Fear; niether of which necessarily relates to reality.

Back when the stock market was going up 50+ percentage points
per annum, the wall street portfolio managers drove the market
higher based on bull market uphoria, now they drive it down
based on bear market fear, and again none of this is precisely
related to the actual health of the economy in general but
is mainly based on such things as corporate accounting scams
and fear of war in Iraq. But ask yourself this question; When
you go shopping at the local mall, is the parking lot empty?
Not around here it isn't. You'd be lucky to find a parking spot
these days. Seems like everyone is driving a new car these days,
hell I bought two new motorcycles just this year alone. All my
nieghbors are having home construction done in one form or another.
Unemployment is relatively low. Does anyone remember the economy
under George Bush Sr.? Now THAT was a recession.

So what's happening here? Why does the stock market continue to
fall? I have my own ideas about this. IMHO the powers that be on
wall street are simply trying to create value in the market and
set themselves up for another 5000 point run up in the Dow Jones.
Also, the market is falling because the supposed experts in charge
of predicting the profitability of companies are just plain dumb.
Suppose a company is predicted to make 15 cents per share this
quarter and it only makes 14 cents per share. Has the company made
money? Of course it has, but the dimwits in charge of predicting
the profitability of that company will tank the stock based on
missing it's street estimate by 1 penny per share. How dumb is that?

Also, futures trading plays havoc with the stock market. Just when
you think the market should rise based on good news, it falls.
Why is this? This happens because you have people who engage in
futures trading, in other words buying and selling stock based on
what they think it may or may not do in the future. This, in my
opinion, turns the stock market into nothing more than an extended
Las Vegas vacation, where the predictability of the market isn't
based on the performance of the companies on the exchange but is
rather affected by the sales and purchasing of stock based on the
future assumptions by investors. I think we'd all be better off if
futures trading were banned or at least removed from wall street
trading and placed somewhere more appropriate...like Las Vegas.

And so the economy isn't as bad as you might think. It's actually
not bad at all. And it cetainly isn't as good or bad as the so-called
"experts" ever say it is.

|  C | Day: 30

 Molly - "I know all of the bullshit theories about why people become Pedophiles. They're sick....it's about power... instead of prison they should be in therapy... I've heard them all."

I am not quite sure I understand what you mean. What is YOUR theory?

My point is simply that those damaged children you take care of today, will be pedophiles tomorrow.

|  Molly | Day: 30

 Clas.... Honeyman despite what you may think I have some Education. I attended Vanderbuilt University for 3 years. I finished my degree in Sociology at the University of Louisville. Eventually I hope to obtain my Doctorate from Drake University. I have worked in the field of Social work in some capacity for the last 12 years. I have extensive experience working with children who were sexually abused. It is my area of expertise. Currently I work as a contract agent for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. I provide "therapeutic respite" for at risk children.All are emotionally disturbed with behavioral problems. Most have already been in Juvinile Detention. The State deemed that it would be more cost effective to try to intervene before these children are institutionalized. Because without some sort of help.. the majority will be in either prison or worse. I see the aftermath of child abuse on a continual basis.( Sexual abuse in particular) Yes Clas I know all of the bullshit theories about why people become Pedophiles. They're sick....it's about power... instead of prison they should be in therapy... I've heard them all. It doesn't lessen the devastation I see one iota. I readily admit that I'm biased on this subject Clas. However it had little to do with my upbringing... I feel this way from my personal experiences.
Jackson Browne may be all those things.......but he just isn't attractive to me. He looks too bland for my taste. You on the other
hand.......*wink*
St Al..... you know I think you're fine
Weanie Boy WEBer..still your sad bitter self. Get a set...

|    | Day: 30

 ¦, it's your cue. Don't make it endless, we don't want to scroll a week, okay?

|  lp | Day: 30

 wow - here's the ultimate test!

Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?
...Take a Look:

This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, KS. USA.
It was taken from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley
Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the
Salina Journal.

8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS - 1895

Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. per bu., deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per are, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of theRebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates:
1607
1620
1800
1849
1865

Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono,super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd,cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane,fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced andindicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is theocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba,Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.

Related link: http://people.morehead-st.edu/fs/w.willis/eighthgrade.html

|  WEber | Day: 30

 Molly= Not only is "St.Al a fine looking man"

It's also his birthday this week! Happy birthday St.Al, happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

|  Floridavid | Day: 30

 Hello one and all!
Miz D, Glad you're getting the SD groove on. Expect a Check from me soon for a Steely Damned T-shirt...Say Hello to Bob and the Boys.Tell them I said "Break a Leg" at the Upcoming Annual Dr. Laura Gig...she's a hoot!

Business: I would like to speak with any of you who are actual qualified Programmers.I have a need for a custom built Windows platform program. Being that I'm not a programmer...I don't know what can or can't be done.
I currently have a DOS program that does the job but, would like a Windows 98 version created.
Anyone interested in discussing this please email with a Phone number and best time to call....Thanks.

Malcolm, After hearing snippets while you were here....I'm waiting for finished product.

Take Care all, David

|  FatBackChord | Day: 30

 Some of you are still submitting posts which are more than two
paragraphs and as I said before...uh...as I said before...um...

What was I talking about? Damned ADD!

|  YGK - SHAMELESS PLUG | Day: 30

 MC/Aus/St.Al: and Any Other's I've missedàà..who really give a damnà..

Core News! Live! from the Big Apple!

Oh, yeah, well, we've added percussion on the new and revised arrangement of Model Prisoner - this version is quite a bit looser than the one on WUNDerground Radio, and allows us to stretch a bit - it's the longest tune on the album running at 7:45 or soà..preliminary, unfinalized mixes and timings put the disc at approximately 66 minutes of total running timeààI've got a tune that pegs at 2:45, and several that are a solid, low 3 minutes and changeààas I didn't write them this way, I'm pleasantly surprised at the result, and think that radio will be, too - just like my trip to New Orleans with Aus, Babes, Aja, Wormy, Mr. Sabille, and Oleander and Permasqueeze - just when you thought it couldn't get any better, it doesàà

Also a new aural discovery - Norah Jones, Norah Jones, Norah Jonesàà.she is the bomb; a little Sheryl Crow with so Ricki Lee Jones soul, and a kickin band; she writes, plays piano and guitar and her voice gives me chillsàà.THAT is my next Purchaseà..

but I will also pay for Mr. Gabriel - a genius that some of us can't understandàà.

ygk

|  Howard | Day: 30

Interesting that the JonHerington.com news section was updated so fast to remove that snippet of SD news (well spotted Miz Ducky!).

There's always the danger of reading too much between the lines with this kind of thing, but my guess is that concerns were expressed in the SD camp, and they requested the news item be reworded (or removed completely?). If you think about it, it's fair enough. To Jon Herington, after he worked on those SD tracks and saw what material was in the can, it might have seemed to him that the new album was indeed "well on the way to being finished". D+W see things differently (thank God). It's only right that they should be the ones to say how near to completion the final album is. Just because all the basic tracking is done, most of the overdubs and vocals are finished, that doesn't mean there isn't a good few months worth of drum tweaking, adding a little sleigh bell here and there, figuring that, in fact, that sax solo "really doesn't quite cut it" and replacing it with a guitar solo...

I think the JH news is a positive sign - there's obviously good progress being made, but the only news that can be taken as definitive will come from D+W at SD.com. Treat anything else as speculation - quite possibly on the basis of genuine information - but it's still speculation as to how those two brains see the album shaping up. I still reckon summer 2003 is a likely release date.

Re: Becker's bass playing

Personally, I'd much rather have Walter sticking to guitar on the tours. And let's face it, it's almost guaranteed that it will be that way, as he's obviously most comfortable in that role. In the studio, it's a different matter, and I like the fact that on 2VN the contributions (bass, guitar, keyboard) from W+D were much more frequent that on many of the earlier albums. It's likely to be similar for the next one, with Walter contributing quite a bit of guitar, as well as bass on a number of tracks, and Donald doing some keyboard work on most or all songs.

Stevee - careful though, just because W said he never wanted to think about playing live until Tom Barney was in place on bass, you don't necessarily want to believe that. Remember what he said about "no trumpets, no trombones, no tubas..." on earlier tours, and look what happened! (OK, no tuba yet, but it's only a matter of time).

Howard

|  Steveedan | Day: 29

 Catching up on all the posts ... and a few responses to boot ...

Clas # 1684 - Oh oh. I think I will let this one fester all by itself ...

Tones - # 1686 - ABACAB is a song form called Rhondo. (See response to t-bag below ...)

grrlfrd #1695 - "residents .. haha... 'bout 15 years ago ... someone stole one of their eyes .... they did the show wearing black armbands and one big skull replacing the missing eye. their tributes to gershwin, sousa, hank, etc. .... priceless." Big hahaha right back at cha.

t-bag # 1701 "And in the cold light of day, I retract that "non-linear song structure" crap... I mean *linear* song structures, not "verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus - in three minutes or less" thing they dumb us down with over here..." this is not Rhondo form.
Verse = A, Chorus = B, Verse = A, Bridge = C, Verse = A, Chorus = B.
This is ABACAB (Rhondo form). The non-linear song form that you refered to (based on your example) is: ABABCB. I don't know if there is a song form for this "ABABCB" song form, but there probably is. Does it show bad form to write about this stuff here in the western guestbook?

Angel - # 1710 - I don't think we will see Walter play bass live because he has said many times that he doesn't even want to begin planning a tour until after he has confirmed that Tom Barney will absolutely be on hand. Also, thanks for the link to the Countdown To Ecstasy liner notes where that fact you mentioned was clearly stated. Verrry Interrrestink.

W1P - # 1714 - Have you ever been to Berkeley's Rather Ripped Records? That was the best record store I have ever seen, but that was 20 years ago. And I am certain that I was rather ripped. (Of course, if my memory should be faulty, I am sure that I would rather have been ripped ...)

It just became Monday in Los Angeles (and the rest of the Pacific time zone). Hope your weeks all go well for all of you.

Stevee(stretching his weekend ever further)Dan

|  C | Day: 29

 Molly - "...compulsions are no excuse. It is still a matter of choice. If you want to stop a behavior badly enough, you can do so."

The problem is that those people don't WANT to stop their behaviour. Those people are not aware of having an illness. I don't defend paedophiles or child abusers, but I have enough in my head to understand that it's a complex problem.

You have a typical US-American black and/or white - bad guy/good guy... well, a kind of cowboy-attitude to such problems. I don't judge you for having such standpoints, it's not your fault, you are a white woman born and raised in Kentucky, not a very enlightened area in the USA.

My advice to you is: read books on those issues.

C

|  C @ W | Day: 29

 Molly, my sweet little potatoe pie; - "Men who are stand up, that have heart, integrity, wit and intelligence." You ARE talking about Jackson Browne, don't you realize that?

Aja - oh thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time I move to San Diego.

C

|  W1P | Day: 29

 The Los Angeles-based post-grunge six-piece Flogging Molly is a interesting mix of traditional Irish music and spunky punk rock. Former Fastway acoustic guitarist/frontman and Dublin native Dave King formed the band with fiddle player Bridget Regan, guitarist Dennis Casey, accordion player Matt Hensley, bassist Nathen Maxwell, drummer George Schwindt, and mandolinist Bob Schmidt. Their rowdy folk-rock punk revival sound has been compared to the likes of other Irish bands such as the Pogues and Black 47, but the raucous septet opted for their own brashness.

They're highly regarded though I've never seen them.

|  bwaySteve | Day: 29

 Hoboken is a place I discover everytime I go there. Today 3 stages, interesting acts, millions of people , the best street food I have seen, under a shimmering sun. I saw so many bulldogs I thought I was hallucinating.Hoboken used to be known as a musician's town but rents are so high now. There are many venues though and each had bands playing throughout the day.
There are great views of Manhattan from the park on the river.We watched the cruise ships heading for wherever, the sailboats and these cute "yellow-cab like rivertaxis.
Manhattan looks a little lower, quieter and more spread out , from Hoboken. I hope I discover it again soon.

|  Mistress of Mayhem...aka Molly | Day: 29

 Hmn.... Flogging Molly! I'd love to have a few of the t-shirts. Are they any good? Don't get any ideas Fred, Love is a Fist..... lol lol This Molly fights back *wink*
Dr.Mu agree with you, silicone and people are a bad comination. Never understood why a woman would subject herself to that? I also agree with you on Peter Gabriel.
Clas, Sugarman you've been in a surly mood. I've never cared about being hip. Hell, I listen to Greg Brown and Gillian Welsh. But I love Peter Gabriel. Gabriel is a great performer/songwriter. He has heart and awareness, which are reflected in his songs. As far as Jackson Browne.... He doesn't "do it" for me Babe. I'd find most of the men of Banyantrees more attractive than him. I like men who look real. Men who are stand up, that have heart, integrity, wit and intelligence. Browne is too "pretty" for my taste. There's no character, nothing that makes him interesting in a visual sense. Moreover, I haven't been too impressed with anything he's done since "The Pretender" to be honest... Sorry! Still liked your stuff on Steely Knives. BTW, compulsions are no excuse. It is still a matter of choice. If you want to stop a behavior badly enough, you can do so.
St.Al you're still a fine looking man.
Off to dream that highway.......M

|    | Day: 29

 uh, that header should read, "Two big ol' "T's" for Texas... just so's ya know...

|  Two big ol' | Day: 29

 ¦ - yeah, we know... *everything's* big there... who needs silicone? Hey, can't believe I actually rooted for the Cowboys today... glad they came through...

And Aja, my SUV driving friend - I didn't mean to imply *you* would park improperly... ;-)

...and one lil'

t

for me...

|  ╡ | Day: 29

 tones: In Texas:

(a) our fair women don't need boob jobs

(b) we use silicone for caulking bathtubs and windows...

|  tones - still buzzing from last night... | Day: 29

 Aj! - Pelican Inn it is! Do you still have my #'s? Let me know so I can eblast (always wanted to type that...) you if you don't. We can do Vesuvio's if the Pelican is too far left...

Thought I'd give my Bay Area version of your So. Cal guide:

1. 60 hours is good to start, but you might want to get a part time job to go with that, that is if you like luxuries like electricity and food.

2. The San Francisco/Bay area came in a close 34th as "Fittest City in America", possibly hampered by San Francisco's status as the city with the most restaurants per capita in the world. I read a stat in the 80's that said there were so many restaurants in SF that if everyone in the city went out to eat at the same time, everyone could find a seat (mind you, this was counting the crappy fast food restaurants too).

3. You do need to have a car, though please, NO MORE SUV's! There's a lot to see and do here, but not a lot of parking once you get there, and nothing's worse than some big honkin' SUV taking two spots when two reasonably sized cars would have fit just fine.

4. Never eat fast food. Too many other, *good* restaurants around (see #2). Btw, burritos don't count as fast food, unless you bought it at Taco Bell, and why would you want to go there when you can get a *real* burrito for the same price that would last you for 3 meals? Also, if they call it a "wrap", don't buy it. Find a place where there are actual Hispanics, and enjoy...

5. Pretty much the same up here. Must be a California thing...

6. Quite ok to drive under 75 here, but never, *ever* use your turn signal!! And always, *always* talk on your cell phone while you drive... preferably while checking your makeup and/or tailgating the car in front of you...

7. No sunscreen requirements, though you might want to bring it with you. In fact, never, *ever* leave the house without a sweater or jacket, no matter what the temperature is when you leave home. We're talkin' *serious* micro-climates here! It's not unusual to be baking in 90 degree weather here, then drive over a hill to find thick fog and 60 degrees and less. You know, that whole Mark Twain "coldest winter.." thing...

8. Boob jobs? If you want, but with the piercings, weird hair color, multible tattoos, outlandish clothes, and incoherent conversations with your invisible alien friend Xybor, who's going to notice?

Resistance is futile...

peace

t

|  zan | Day: 29

 Hey Jason: I wasn't suggesting you need or should take drugs. I just wanted to mention that those dr.'s would give you an ADD test.

|  ╡ | Day: 29

 SUVs? tsk... tsk...

fezo: No, that was in the back of Hillarys Fat Ass Cords so round

|  Aja......still buzzing from this morning's coffee | Day: 29

 Good doctor-an El Nino may be on the way, but it is too early to be seeing the weather effects out here, hence my reference to the water being too cold-I should have said at this time, because the El Nino current manifests itself here around December (which is why it's named "The Child"). The weather phenomena that knocked Ducky's socks off wasn't due to El Nino conditions, it was our usual late September Santa Anas (plus we had a hurricane off Mexico over Labor Day, another common SoCal occurrence).

In light of the recent confusion on SoCal stereotypes vs. reality, I'd like to offer a few helpful hints on how to be a REAL Southern Californian if anyone's thinking of moving out here (or at least blend in with the natives while you're here):

1. Get a 60 hour/week job. Life here is EXPENSIVE and that's the least amount you'll need to work to be able to afford anything.

2. San Diego was named "Fittest City in America", because we live to work out in the outdoors. If you don't exercise outdoors, it will be a matter of time before you a) start, or b) move. Take note: working 60 hours/week is no excuse for not working out.

3. You need to drive a car that has a backseat that drops forward for all your sports equipment, which must be carried with you at all times (my SUV has my running gear, cycling gear, swimming gear, snorkeling gear {which is different from the swimming gear} sunscreen, beach chair, book, and energy bars). The cupholder should always have a bottle of water in it.

4. Never eat fast food, unless it's rolled tacos with guacamole and cheese.

5. Feel free to be openly gay here. Or openly straight. Or openly patriotic, militaristic, intellectual, redneck, etc. The bottom line is, whatever you are, put it OUT THERE. The more colorful, the better.

6. Never drive under 75 mph on the freeway, even if you have nowhere to go. The pace of life here is hectic and you'll need to keep up. If you're looking for "laid back", try the Midwest.

7. Always wear SPF 45 sunscreen!

8. Real SoCal gals never get boob jobs. Plastic boobs interfere with your sports activities!

Hope this helps ;o)

Aja

|  fezo | Day: 29

 Senator Mu: I bet you also have a list of enemies of the state on the laundry list in your front pocket.

Hutch: Is that the interview which has our heroes reading a review of Kama and laughing at the critic who took "On The Dunes" literally and thought it was about an actual murder on the beach.

There are some great interviews from the early 90's when B & F first resurfaced. I've never really seen them adequately archived; it's just what I remember. They did one with the Post which was relatively enlightening. They dropped the sarcastic front (mostly) and talked about touring in the '70's and how in some ways going off the road might have hurt their creative output--in terms of quantity, not quality--in the long run.

|  j a s o n | Day: 29

 My post keeps getting wiped, so short version---- not ADD. It just can look similar from outside, to other people. And psychopharmacology is something to be approached with extreme caution. There are thousands of people who have to live with brain damage, owing to drugs forced on them that they did not want or need. Sometimes psychiatry succeeds, or it would have no reputation at all, but it's hit and miss, and the failures aren't heard about, since they're invalidated, just by having been through that system. (See Thomas Szasz or Peter Breggin if interested.)

|  ZAN | Day: 29

 JASON, A GOOD PSYCHPHARMOCOLOGIST CAN GIVE YOU AN ADD TEST.

|  ╡ | Day: 29

 Hey Milton,

Who taught you how to read, 60 Min Optical?

No, the economy is currently under DEFLATIONARY pressures...the imminent housing market collapse is the proverbial light that turns out to be an oncoming train at the end of the tunnel.

Indeed, the job of the Fed is to stabilize the fiscal health of our monetary system...Unfortunately, Greenspan started to DEstabilizie, deliberately, the economy with the winter of 1999-2000 because of imaginary inflation. He conjured up the model of a 'soft ladning" to burst the "tech bubble." Chaos theory that it is difficult to titrate these things. Not all the initial constants of the system were known or considered and some dynamics were underappreciated...

(1) The lawsuit against Microsoft was ill-thought out and illogical. I hate Gates as much as anyone else...BUT they don't by definition have a monopoly one can always (a) download Netscape Navigator while on Internet Explorer (I know - I've updated it 3 times on IE), (b) people are free to choose Mac of Linux operating systems. The results was a softening of the tech market leading to instability That money would have been better off spent dropping leaflets around the country or monetary incentives to consumers to buy iMacs!!!!!!

(2) Financial markets certainly could not have anticipated 9/11

(3) No one knew that Rubin and the SEC crowd were ignoring the book-cooking of KennyBoy, Tyco, WorldCom, etc. while Clinton played golf with the Enron crowd - I have an incriminating jpeg. All cited violations were on Clinton's watch

(4) Greenspan should have identified the reason for overirrational exuberance as the 1993 law that allowed companies to claim stock options as expenses...

(5) unstable enrgy prices caused by the panicky dumping of our oil reserves to Fred Sanford like characters in NYC, refulsal to develop safely the reserves we have in the US, and OPEC

once Greenspan runed the wheel too hard, the Economy was off the pavement in the woods leaning towards a ditch. The tax cut and reducing interest rates helped, but chaos theory would predict the difficulty of getting things in track...

This gets back to my point. In an economy that has deflationary pressures, and we've already lowered interest rates, what can be done to increase confidence and money flow?

(1) Continued prosecution of the CEOs - this will ensure the speculatory and criminal business model will correct itself - market segments always do.

(2) The President should address this to the Nation in addition to the Iraq situation. A new program to ensure entrepreneural activites, R&D incentives, aid to continued fuel cell and VIABLE energy alternatives

(3) Dump money into the economy...this is the ONLY time the Feds should print extra money, with DEflationary pressures (ergo the RISK of inflation is minimal). The key is Bush has to find a set for focussed programs that will stimulate the economy and re-employ and re-train those losing jobs now (aside for CEOs) and more TAX CUTS across the board including a reprieve or moratorium on capital gains taxes... Unlike FDR, you simply don't make all of the programs PERMANENT...when the economy bounces back, phase out those that would slow down real growth long term...

MizDucky: I have to gently correct our au naturel Ms Aja. This indeed is an El Ni±o year. It is not the water temperature off the SoCal coast that counts, but rather that 1000 miles West of South America. Warm water from the Western Pacific shifts east. This year looks like a mild one, but it would be expected that this winter (it may take a couple more months to kick in) in SoCal will bring, yes, a cloudier and rainier weather that should make you feel at home...so ENJOY!

|  Jim | Day: 29

 This morning's "Weekend Edition Sunday" on NPR featured a really great interview with Peter Gabriel by Liane Hansen. The main page at http://www.npr.org has a link to it, although in case it goes away, the direct connection is at the link above [ or http://www.npr.org/programs/wesun/features/2002/gabriel/index.html ],

Although I am not an enormous Gabriel fan, I really respect Gabriel's work. He tries to push the envelope, although, not always to my tastes. Sure, there's some commericiality to his stuff, but that never takes a front seat to the intergrity of his work.

Comparing Gabriel to Pink Floyd is like comparing Roger Waters to Genesis. That said, I think Gabriel leaving Genesis when he did meant that Genesis never had as much longevity as Floyd had to develop their respective full potentials.

Of course, that meant Gabriel had more time and energy to develop a solo career than Waters.

Finally, I think Floyd's albums since the mid 80s or so have been like Rolling Stones albums since the same periods. Something to get out to build tour hype of a band respected more for history than current efforts.

|  Aja.....here in blustery SoCal | Day: 29

 Woke up today to a morning-after-a-rainy night, and there is only one thing to do on mornings like this: crawl to the nearest coffee shop for coffee, jazz, and conversation! What is life without those three as well? Jazz88 was on an incredible roll this morning, playing the coolest rainy day music-a perfect complement to the wet streets and puffy, gray clouds blowing across the sky.

One more Welcome-to-SoCal, Miz D-there isn't an El Nino this year, the water is way too cold. That hot weather was, well, can you sing "here come those Santa Ana winds agaaaaaiiiin"? Santa Anas are most prevalent in September, and there will be more throughout the fall.

Kenny Burrell is perfect on mornings like this.....

Aja (who has had no cosmetic surgery whatsoever!)

|  milton friedman | Day: 29

 ¦ - where did you learn economics, from karl marx?

the primary function of the fed is to maintain a stable currency. greenspan has done, and continues to do, an outstanding job of that. current fed policy is to incease the $$$ supply by 3% per year to account for growth.

increasing the $$$ supply in relation to the available amount of goods and services creates INflation, not DEflation. if there is more $$$ in circulation than goods and services available to purchase, that DECREASES the purchasing power of your $$$. you do remember jimmy carter, don't you?

|  j a s o n | Day: 29

 FatBackChord--- ADD, for real? That's not the same as the neurological thing that disrupts memory and communication in my case, but the effect seems the same, often. A friend with ADD talks to me about it. The doctor i just lost swore he understood the communications problem i have, then got more and more disgusted at my struggling to talk.

This friend of mine has been saying for some time that i should find an ADD doctor, because they would understand, listen to, and continue to respect a patient who struggles to communicate, then i reminded her that she's said she's lost faith in the idea of ever finding a receptive or human doctor. It turms out she's never met such an ADD doctor.

I hope these paragraphs are alright. My eyes can't take unbroken paragraphs, for some reason.

|  Hutch | Day: 29

 Midnite - Chiba be vedy vedy scarce round these parts lately.
I'm driving to Amsterdam this afternoon.

From the Musician Magazine 1993 interview:

Musician: With this body of work do you feel obligated to play hits at the shows?

Fagen: "Body of work" has a nice kind of cadaverous ring to it.

Becker: We examined the body of work for signs of abrasions or lesions...

Fagen: And found that the time of death was sometime in late 1974.

Becker: Unfortunately the body was too dumb to lie down, and continued to roam the earth for some years longer...

Is there gas in the car?

Hutch

|  ╡ | Day: 29

 I saw a Gabriel concert on TV a few years ago. When he did "Red Rain", it sent chills down my spine. I dig the Doors, but there's more humanity in "Don't Give Up" or "Mercy Street" than their entire catalog.

Grolnick? I didn't know that...

|  Midnite Cruiser | Day: 29

 ¦....finally something we agree on! I'm really liking October Road by JT too....I could have done without the horns on a couple of tunes but I really like the new songs....he had a pay per view special on a few weeks ago that I taped on VHS that's pretty good.....two hours long with the first half focusing more on new music and the second half playing the classic tunes....it was great to see Russ Kunkle on drums again after so many years.

Hutch....sounds like things are going really well....new band mates and a nice night of good wine....no chiba to go with it though? : )

Miz D....glad to hear your adventure is continuing and you're doing well....like you, I'm not a big fan of the really hot & humid weather but hopefully that'll pass for you until next year's Santa Ana's kick up again....they say that SD's year 'round temps are hard to beat....me, I'm more into the cool & wet northwest climate myself.....hope to experience it first hand in 3 years and 11 months (my 30th anniversary with Goodyear)....we plan on hitting the road at that point and the Washington / Oregon area is at the head of the list of places we'd like to try living after Goodyear....keep us informed on your adventures!

any of you Steely Knives folks have any new music to be heard out there?

YGK....are you nearing completion of the new disc?

off to do some more work in the basement....we're turning half of it into a home theater complete with a Sony projector, a Stewart 120" screen, a full five channel surround plus a 200 watt subwoofer....should be a nice AV experience.

|  walter brenner | Day: 29

folks in austin eased into their first city limits fest with the sort of gleeful freedom that makes it home.

knitting pez warmers,

wb

|  Apropos | Day: 28

 Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
I'll be what I want to be

Unless I'm totally wrong
I hear her rap, and brother it's strong

Isn't that almost the same stuff? Melodic and harmonic?

C

|  felonious6970 | Day: 28

 YOYOYO JUS SAYIN HELLO

FELONIOUS

|  C | Day: 28

 Hutch - "What is Life without good wine?"

Well, it's a fucking pain in the back, I tell you that.

dr ¦ - "October Road"? Okay, got to get that one. But I think Taylor's "Never Die Young" is THE Taylor-album. So great, with Bob Manns cool guitar, Leland Sklar on bass, and Rosemary Butler on backup vox (!). And Don Grolnick of course, you can hear that warm, loving, Grolnick-heart all over the album.

Unless I am totaly wrong, "Hourglass" is dedicated to Grolnick.

StAl - here's my point: Peter Gabriel may be talented up all over his protruding ears, but he's not talking to me. Bach aint talking to me, not Beethoven or Mozart either. I can dig the idea, but it never reaches my heart. I TRY to keep an open mind... but, no way. It's like Sting, he's so "right" and "sensitive" and the songs are so "subtle", but when it gets down to touching my heart, he failes.

And I am old enough to have seen the Doors and Hendrix. THAT was cool, that was the real thing. Like Spencer Davies, Traffic and early Blood Sweat & Tears.

And you're just jealous of Jackson Browne, no matter what Molly says; you're not half as good looking as he are.

Molly - am I right or what?

Miz Ducky - interesting, you DO have cellphones over there! Ericsson or Nokia?

C

|  Hutch | Day: 28

 Miz D - That really was a funny post. You working on anything now? Novel? Short story collection? Fill us in.
Those Fagen organ parts on CBAT are killer! And the piano is perfect.

A friend of mine gave me about thirty old copies of Musician magazine today. One of the issues is from '93 with a cover story on the Boys. Great photo of D&W on the cover. Fagen is actually SMILING! And I don't mean that little smirk... it's a full-blooded genuine friendly smile. Great picture. And the interview inside is real cool. I'll post some excepts later when I'm a bit more sober. heh-heh... (3 dots)

Third rehearsal with the new band tomorrow. Thus far it's been the singer, me, the drummer and the bass player. But tomorrow we have a keyboard player! ... I'm looking forward to tomorrow. I have about three or four Dan tunes I'd really like to do.

A little wine tasting with some friends at Casa Hutch tonight...

Domaine De Moulines
Merlot 2001

Turning Leaf
Coastal Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon 1997
(Hey, it's a '97)

Hess Estate
Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 1997

And a nightcap of the French.

What is Life without good wine?

Hutch

|  W1P | Day: 28

 I watched an episode of the Ana Nicole Smith show. Her "friend" was wearing a Flogging Molly t-shirt. Anybody seen the Discover Card commericial with the guy wearing an Amoeba Records t-shirt? Only the best Indie record store in Berkeley, SF and Hollywood!

|  Aussie | Day: 28

 Also....Miz Ducklet: Very nice to hear from you.

Aus

|  Aussie | Day: 28

 Which One's Pink/ Beemer / Doctor Myu/ Artie: In re Pink Floyd/ Petre Gabriel: Never did see Mr. Gabriel in concert but did catch the Floyd with Mr. Waters during the Wall tour when they swung by New York, and thereafter every show after Mr. Waters seceded. All of those shows moved your humble narrator to the core...and in fact, the only other live shows that come close are the King Crimson shows, which continue to be the very best there is out there, period.

Babes and I will be picking up the Gabriel effort tomorrow at our local Virgin megastore...can't wait to listen.

Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

Aus

ps. St. Al: connected with YGK today...heard about your efforts and I tip my cap to you once anew.

|  ╡ | Day: 28

 C: Upon listening after the house settling down, I have to recommend James Taylor's October Road over Naked Ride Home. Both are organic - and JTs more so over his previous - Hourglass. But the professionalism, immediacy and more interesting recording of October Road shines through. The songs are not quite as good as Hourglass and JTs voice shows just the slightest hint of a crack, but given that his vocals on New Moon Shine and Hourglas IMO are the best of his career - I can't complain. On the 4th of July is a real gem of a song - don't know if it got airplay - I don't listen to commercial radio much at all...

|  angel | Day: 28

 Miz Ducky: I knew it! I could feel your vibrations in some of the Rockola/Steelydamned posts this past month or so. Great report of life in shadow of Love Bob and the sun of San Diego. :-)

Definitely agree with all who wish for more Fagen keys on the next one and wanting to see Becker play bass LIVE.

Tones: Man, you are really back with a vengence. Keep it up, great information.

Beerberian: Don't you feel the power you have? Mention something and it disappears. Sheesh! Tough being a Dan Fan around here. They don't want anything leaking out. I hope Jon didn't get in trouble over this.

Think I will go play my 2VN "CASSETTE" now..... ;-)

|  verified | Day: 28

 http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1508708

|  ╡ - thisain'tnopartythisain'tnodisco | Day: 28

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/28/turkey.uranium.reut/index.html

MizDuck: here come those Santa Ana winds again...

|  FatBackChord | Day: 28

 Ok so I broke my two paragraph rule and read Ms.Ducky's post.
Totally laughed my ass off!

Maybe Donald or Walter will let me borrow one of thier
doctorate degrees so I can open up a plastic surgery office
in San Diego? Nah... they've probably already considered the idea
themselves.

|  Aja the SoCal Gal | Day: 28

 Miz D-hey, don't buy into silly stereotypes, girlfriend! We SoCalians live to be OUTDOORS, but we're not all surf bunnies and golfers with cell phones coming out our ears (and this is coming from a former Seattlelite). You obviously haven't made it to MY neighborhood-LOL. BTW, The Planet sucks, hands down one of the worst stations here. Try KPRI at 102.1, or better yet, Jazz88 at 88.5.

There's also a local band here called-yes, I'm serious-"Flogging Molly".

tonesy-I'll probably be up in your neck of the woods in two weeks. Pelican Inn?

I just came from the "here is new york" photo exhibit. If you haven't been to that, GO! Go soon! It's really moving.

Outta here to do my outdoorsey thing,

Aja

|  FatBackChord | Day: 28

 I must admit, your posts are very interesting, but my mental
buffer is incapable of holding more than 2 paragraphs per
post. Therefore I am forced to scroll past a few posts
which probably are worth reading but are simply too time
consuming and require too much attention.

Please keep us A.D.D. fans in mind when deciding on the length
of your posts.

Thank You.

|  Miz Ducky | Day: 28

 Re: 1701 -- I'm with y'all on Walter's bass playing as well as Donald's keyboard work on CBAT. According to the liner notes on the latest remaster, yep, Donald handles all keyboard duties on that album. I especially love "Fire In The Hole" for the dose of pure Donald on the keyboard part. It's one of those particularly quirky, deceptively simple-sounding things that probably spawned some of those reviewer comparisions of Donald's keyboard style to Monk. I tried to figure out that keyboard part a few times on my own, without much success. Then one evening lovebob and I worked on it together with rather more success--that was a helluva lotta fun.

Speaking of which, a brief account of what I'm doing down here, since someone asked so nicely (heh):

Workwise, I'm actually holding down three, count'em, three jobs. Two are contract computer-geek gigs, in which I'm variously hacking HTML, writing website content, editing and producing an online newsletter, and other assorted jill-of-all-trades computerish stuff. The third job is working for Bob--essentially being his administrative assistant, handling bills, invoices, and correspondence, fielding phone calls and faxes, helping mind the website and email list, doing a little advancing on gigs (this will increase as I get more experience), mucking about with his computers (an adventure, since I'm a PC grrl and Bob's house is all Mac all the time), and all the gazillion-and-one other tasks involved in running two bands, one of which is exceedingly busy (The Steely Damned is essentially a labor of love; it's Rockola that's the bread-and-butter outfit, doing a brisk business in corporate gigs and private parties in addition to playing out regularly in venues all around San Diego).

I also frequently serve as Bob's second pair of ears out in the audience at shows--I don't even try to make it to every single gig, but when I do I make a point of checking the house sound from various places in the room and giving Bob feedback to pass on to the guys on the sound board. (Heh--let's just say there is a wild variance in the demonstated abilities of various sound guys to get something even approximating a decent mix).

Oh yeah, and somewhere in there I occasionally sleep, get out to explore my new hometown, attempt to re-create a social network, and go hear other musical groups--particularly the Mike Keneally Band, which y'all have heard me wax rhapsodic about in previous missives.

So far, I find San Diego ... interesting. Remember I'm a child of the US Northeast--grew up in the suburbs of NYC, lived many years in Boston--and while I've spent the previous 13 years on the West Coast, that was way the hell up in Seattle, and is a totally different trip from Southern California. Seattle, while definitely Left Coast in feel, had enough in common with Boston's geek/intellectual/Birkenstock-and-Goretex-wearing ethos that I made the transition fairly easily. San Diego, by contrast, is the Full Monty in terms of West Coast carryings-on, and I'm definitely feeling a bit of cultural dislocation. In fact, I keep on feeling like I'm in the middle of one of those TV sitcoms about SoCal life I've been sporadically exposed to all my life. Except this is real, and is thus stranger than fiction. People here really do live for the surf and the golf course. The local weekly paper is chock-full of full-page ads for cell phones, cosmetic surgery, and clinics to treat skin cancer. There are palm trees for centuries and freeway concrete by the square mile. Condo complexes perch on every available mesa-edge craning for those coveted views of canyon or ocean.

And for about three weeks in there, the weather went into some kind of El Nino/desert heat-wave thing that nearly knocked me on my ass and kept me there--all those years of hiding under the Pacific Northwest cloud cover have put me seriously out of practice in tolerating major doses of heat and UV radiation. Fortunately, it looks like the fall weather pattern is finally kicking in, which at least on the coast is considerably milder, and in certain microclimates (including the one in which resides the lovebob homestead) almost as fog- and overcast-prone as Seattle, so I'm beginning to feel more at home.

Oh yeah, and then there's the urban fauna. The other day I wandered into the living room to discover a lizard scurrying for cover under the nearest closet door. I am mortified to admit that I shrieked like a gurl. And last night I looked up from my computer to discover this huge-ass bug up on the wall--looked just like a cockroach on steroids, I swear the fucker was two inches long. Bob tells me these latter critters are called waterbugs, and that while they're not really cockroaches they're still a bit on the nasty side. I wuz a coward and made him dispatch the beastie. Hey, I'm a city kid--actual cockroaches I can handle; products of radiation experiments are another kettle of DDT.

Oh, and I can't conclude this brief urban natural history survey without mentioning the urbanized skunks. No, not Baxter. Real skunks, with real stink. You drive around this urban-residential neighborhood in the early morning and you can smell whiffs of skunk-stink all over. But you never see 'em road-killed. Apparently the local skunks are sophisticated critters--they're too wily to get hit by cars, they just stink and run away, living to stink another day. Gotta love that natural adaptability.

/the duck
(oh yeah, and there's a bunch of my namesake waterfowl about too--in fact, a small gaggle of them provided impromptu vocal accompaniment to the last Keneally gig I attended, which was outdoors on a beautiful full-moonlit night ... ah, Southern California, where the moon shines bright over the golf course ... )

|  t | Day: 28

 Oh maaaan, that's right Jimbo... I missed that Today show thing. I 'd love to have seen that..

grrlfrd - I remember that about the Residents' (who have a new album out too, btw...) stolen eyeball head. I think at their first public performance after the eyeball was stolen they put an authentic *curse* on whoever stole it...

|  Jimbo | Day: 28

 I take it that those of you arguing about the artistic merits of Peter Gabriel saw him on the Today show. I know that he did two songs. The first was ok, but the second, In Your Eyes was a little better. However, I have to admit that it could have worked if performed outside rather than inside where it was too intimate. I think with more musicians and a better backup singer, Gabriel will get it together for his upcoming tour.

I also saw on VH1, a making of the video for The Barry Williams Show, the first video off Gabriel's new CD. The song itself was funky and comments on the stupidity of culture known as reality TV.

Gabriel sure looked different this time around. Looks like Patrick Stewart with a goatee.

Speaking of Genesis, you might want to pick up Turn It On Again, the hits cd from 1999. There is a vintage Gabriel track: I Know What I Like, and a re-recording of the Carpetcrawlers, his first recording with the band since 1975. Gabriel takes up much of the lead vocals on the second one leaving Phil to do the last verse.

Question; has anybody been to a Jane Monheit concert? If so tell me what
it was like. I'm planning to go next Friday to see her perform.

Thanks!

|  t-bag | Day: 28

 Youze guys are crackin' me up here... Especially that ABACAB definition there Dano. I vaguely remember it being about the chord progression too W1P, but I think when you start naming songs after the chord progression your kind of admitting that the song isn't really about anything. That would make ABACAB kind of a precurser to Sususudio, wouldn't it?

Now what it the Dan did that? Let's just call... oh let's see... Any Major Dude, DGDGAC#D, or whateva...

And in the cold light of day, I retract that "non-linear song structure" crap... I mean *linear* song structures, not "verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus - in three minutes or less" thing they dumb us down with over here...

Growing Up is my new fav right now... Pete's got the beat! One fuuuuuuuuuunky dude!

Even if it did take him 10 years to muster that "mamby pamby beard"... Heh heh!!!

-------------------

Hutch - yeah dude, I'm with you on CBAT. I think it benefited the most from the last round of remastering. After 25 years I was finding *new sounds* all over the place! And there's something almost... "optimistic" in the tone of the performances, of course this all being recorded before eternally jaded to the record industry...

And Walt's bass playing just slams all the way through the album, one of the all-time debut performances on bass to me. Another thing I like is Don probably handles all of the keys too, admittedly not having the liner notes right here in front of me, and I always prefer his playing to any of the (amazing, absolutely great) session players they used later on. I just like his playing (whole helluva lot! Talk about UNDERRATED!), and as they went on it seemed Don played less and less, for whatever reason.

Seriously, I would love to see Walt play bass live...

t

|  StAl | Day: 28

 Artie (aka WEber): No, you're right. I never saw Jimi Hendrix, The Doors or the Beatles either. What's your point? I can only compare to what I know. And I doubt you saw Floyd in their heyday either. You're just not that hip barcalounger-boy.

Clas: You're just jealous of Gabriel's talent.

MU: Number 8 -- LOL -- yep, that'd just about take care of ALL of it.

Dano: Prefab Sprout? They're still making "music"? PUKE! Can you hear that over there... Pee Uuu K E :)

Signed...
The "Yellow" Book's Resident Asshole

|  C | Day: 28

 StAl - Gabriel is a motherfucking bore, with his head up in the clouds. He can take Kate Bush and dance away to hell.

That reminds me, Jackson Browne is out, soon, with his new one, "Naked Ride Home".

I guess the title is an alluison on Peter Gabriel, "...naked ride...", the Empires New Clothes. Get it?

|  ╡ | Day: 28

 Oh, and Office X for the Mac is a Gates-related program I can finally love. The Apple software engineers actually rewrote Office 2001 to work with 10. 1 or 10.2. Word, Power Point, Excel, Entourage (I don't use this much yet) flow and is able to read old files that were problematic for years..lots of new and improved features...

|  ╡ | Day: 28

 grrlfrd: Yes, I exchanged 10.1 (the horror, the horro...) for 10.2 this week and it meshes with 9.2 ("classic") together. If a program won't run on 10.2, 9.2 kicks right in - takes a moment the first time, then it's instantaeous. It's a surprisingly well integrated system. Besides nothing beats iMovie, iTunes, and now iDVD for editing, burning, and playing audio and video media. With fancier programs available like Final Cut Pro for DV and Pro Tools for DDD audio, one can maintain viable audio and/or video studio for a fraction of the cost just a few years ago.

There's a "dock" now at the bottom of the screen that organizes and displays commonly used programs and indicates programs in use. It seems to work well with either a "classic" iMac machine or the new eMac or the new flat screen iMac. My preference is either the eMac with the flat 17 in screen or the new iMac with the flat LCD 17 in screen. I would not get the 15 in or the "dock" occupies too much of the screen - (this can be adjusted though). In a few years, I imagine a OS XI will accomplish what both do now together and more.

|  W1P | Day: 28

 Momentary Lapse and Division Bell are relatively weak efforts. But there's a couple of gems on these records that often get overlooked in the "Roger is Pink" camp. While I in no way shape or form would ever contend that Dave and his camp can write lyrics like Rog, sonically songs like Sorrow and High Hopes are right up there in the Floyd lexicon of great tracks to listen to.

Peter Gabriel, on the other hand, is pure genius. But he does not rank above Floyd on my preference list. Oh, and Rog is a bit self-important too, would you not agree?

Doesn't ABACAB stand for the notes on that opening keyboard part?

|  grrlfrd | Day: 28

 ¦, re OS X2 ... can we just load it in over 9.2.2?

gabriel. genius.

all of his work is in pretty much regular rotation here. last temptation of christ soundtrack ... phew.

residents .. haha... 'bout 15 years ago ... someone stole one of their eyes .... they did the show wearing black armbands and one big skull replacing the missing eye. their tributes to gershwin, sousa, hank, etc. .... priceless.

steely knives played backwards, i think, sounds floydy. genius.

big music day here. off to the park.

|  Artie | Day: 28

 St.Al- I guess you NEVER saw a Pink Flyod show live when Gilmoure and Waters were in the band. The Animals tour or the Dark Side of the Moon tour. If you had...you wouldn't be comparing the two in concert! That's for damn sure!!

|  ╡ - Sat. am reality check | Day: 28

 1. Floyd can be great stuff, but for every Wish You Were Here and Animals there is a Division Bell and Momentary Lapse of Reason (Talent)

2. Peter Gabriel IS better than Floyd - in rock era pop music only the Beatles, Dan, and Stevie Wonder can boast 3 consecutive albums of the consistent quality of "Melt", Security, and So...

3. Up I think sounds like a cross between Gabriel's soundtracks (pretty damn good for sitting on his thumbs) and Family Snapshot from "Melt."

4. Every Browne album from Hold Out to today is seriously flawed, though the new one "Naked Ride Home" might be an improvement (I'll have to check it out)

5. Saddam is responsible for 1,500,000 deaths, not the UN nor the US nor Sweden nor Canada nor Guyana nor Turkministan, etc. Would have been more without the Gulf War and will continue to be unless he is disarmed or eliminated...were the Belgians responsible for WWII?

6. Gore and Daschle's histrionics this week just gave the Senate to the Republicans - nice going dumbasses...

7. Bush and Dems are oblivious to the bread and butter issues. Admittedly, Greenspan was responsible for over 50% of the good times in the 90s and over 50% of the bad times now, but American industry (i.e., Martha Stewart, Kenny Boy), President and Congress all have roles in decreasing order of importance. W should kick Gspan in the butt and with deflationary pressures, start pumping $ into the economy. Even Reagan in 1987 (unknown to most), had Voelker pump in a helluva lot of money just after the October '87 "correction" to prevent a Depression. Reagan just went on TV and pretended that things took care of themselves...

7. The Boys must have forced Jon Herington to take down the Dan recording news yesterday that was on his site...

8. Why doesn't Sharon just kill Arafat, then himself, and get it over with already...

9. A War with Iraq will last 3 weeks and rebuilding will be far easier than Afghanistan who we bombed OUT of the Stone Age...thank goodness for Karzai

10. DVD-A is superior in every way to any audio medium ever invented...The Nightfly to be released in DVD-A at the end of October...

11. Mac OS X.2 (accept no substitutes) is the best OS ever invented...

|  Hutch | Day: 28

 Every now and then I like to put on a classic SD album and just listen to the whole thing from beginning to end. Did that last night with CBAT (with headphones). Wow!
What a great debut album this is. Becker's bass work is just so damn good.
People on the Bluebook have been talking about Jeff Baxter lately and comparing him to later SD guitarists. Hoops' defense of Skunk in the latest Digest is right on the money. The inventiveness of his playing is mind-blowing at times.
And his pedal steel work is absolutely beautiful. Listen to that solo in the middle of Brooklyn (one of my all-time favorite SD tunes)and listen to Walter's bass work in that song. Simple and straightforward but right on the mark rhythmically.
I don't care how many times I listen to these guys, I always hear new things if I listen closely enough.

Hutch

|  Dano | Day: 28

 Gabriel , Pat c`mon any man with a little namby pamby beard like that needs locking up!!

Prefab have new album out soon , get to your local Wallmart mate??

Off to see the Fitba`

Dano.

PS . ABACAB= ANOTHER BAD ALBUM CRAP AND BOLLOCKS.

|  StAl | Day: 28

 GODDAMN PEOPLE!

How did you draw the conclusion that I said Peter Gabriel was better than Pink Floyd or The Who?? I MERELY stated that his Secret World Live show was better than anything I'd seen the aforementioned artists perform. THAT'S ALL. FUCK!

Ok, alright? Comparing these bands is pure folly. They each bring something unique to the table -- but all have completely different styles. Pink Floyd is in that group of all-time favorite bands, as is Peter Gabriel, The Dead, Phish and that other band we sometimes talk about on this board. Don't even try to put words in my mouth. Pink Floyd is the shit and a great live band. However, Secret World live was on a whole other level. If you didn't see it -- rent it. If you were lucky enough to see it live, you'll understand.

And don't even get me started about how bad Genesis SUCKED after Gabriel left the band. Go back to listening to Huey Lewis -- Artie. Ok, Trick of the Tail was good. And Abacab wasn't too bad...

I'm wondering though. How many major artists get as much creative freedom as PG does on a major label like Geffen? Besides Steely Dan I can only think of a few. I mean, this guy puts out a studio album once every 10 years. In the meantime he does whatever he wants. And this new one is a shining example of this freedom. I'm sure the folks at Geffen would have preferred something a little more radio friendly considering the success of his past two studio efforts. But it's Peter Gabriel. I'll bet if Jackzzzzon Browne sat on his thumbs for 10 years they bounce his sorry ass.

Oh, and where is Genesis now? Counting their money they stole from all the lighter flickers like Artie in the 80's...

Sheep

StAl

|  C @ work | Day: 28

 Tony Blair's "dossier" on Iraq is a shocking document. Reading it can only fill a decent human being with shame and outrage. Its pages are final proof û if the contents are true û that a massive crime against humanity has been committed in Iraq. For if the details of Saddam's building of weapons of mass destruction are correct û and I will come to the "ifs" and "buts" and "coulds" later û it means that our massive, obstructive, brutal policy of UN sanctions has totally failed. In other words, half a million Iraqi children were killed by us û for nothing.

Let's go back to 12 May 1996. Madeleine Albright, the US Secretary of State, had told us that sanctions worked and prevented Saddam from rebuilding weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Our Tory government agreed, and Tony Blair faithfully toed the line. But on 12 May, Mrs Albright appeared on CBS television. Leslie Stahl, the interviewer, asked: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" To the world's astonishment, Mrs Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it."

Now we know û if Mr Blair is telling us the truth û that the price was not worth it. The price was paid in the lives of hundreds of thousands of children. But it wasn't worth a dime. The Blair "dossier" tells us that, despite sanctions, Saddam was able to go on building weapons of mass destruction. All that nonsense about dual-use technology, the ban on children's pencils û because lead could have a military use û and our refusal to allow Iraq to import equipment to restore the water-treatment plants that we bombed in the Gulf War, was a sham.

This terrible conclusion is the only moral one to be drawn from the 16 pages that supposedly detail the chemical, biological and nuclear horrors that the Beast of Baghdad has in store for us. It's difficult, reading the full report, to know whether to laugh or cry. The degree of deceit and duplicity in its production speaks of the trickery that informs the Blair government and its treatment of MPs.

There are a few titbits that ring true. The new ammonium perchlorate plant illegally supplied by an Indian company û which breached those wonderful UN sanctions, of course û is a frightening little detail. So is the new rocket test stand at the al-Rafah plant. But this material is so swamped in trickery and knavery that its inclusion becomes worthless.

Here is one example of the dishonesty of this "dossier". On page 45, we are told û in a long chapter about Saddam's human rights abuses û that "on March 1st, 1991, in the wake of the Gulf War, riots (sic) broke out in the southern city of Basra, spreading quickly to other cities in Shia-dominated southern Iraq. The regime responded by killing thousands". What's wrong with this paragraph is the lie is in the use of the word "riots". These were not riots. They were part of a mass rebellion specifically called for by President Bush Jnr's father and by a CIA radio station in Saudi Arabia. The Shia Muslims of Iraq obeyed Mr Bush Snr's appeal. And were then left to their fate by the Americans and British, who they had been given every reason to believe would come to their help. No wonder they died in their thousands. But that's not what the Blair "dossier" tells us.

And anyone reading the weasel words of doubt that are insinuated throughout this text can only have profound concern about the basis for which Britain is to go to war. The Iraqi weapon programme "is almost certainly" seeking to enrich uranium. It "appears" that Iraq is attempting to acquire a magnet production line. There is evidence that Iraq has tried to acquire specialised aluminium tubes (used in the enrichment of uranium) but "there is no definitive intelligence" that it is destined for a nuclear programme. "If" Iraq obtained fissile material, Iraq could produce nuclear weapons in one or two years. It is "difficult to judge" whether al-Hussein missiles could be available for use. Efforts to regenerate the Iraqi missile programme "probably" began in 1995. And so the "dossier" goes on.

Now maybe Saddam has restarted his WMD programme. Let's all say it out loud, 20 times: Saddam is a brutal, wicked tyrant. But are "almost certainly", "appears", "probably" and "if" really the rallying call to send our grenadiers off to the deserts of Kut-al-Amara?

There is high praise for UN weapons inspectors. And there is more trickery in the relevant chapter. It quotes Dr Hans Blix, the executive chairman of the UN inspection commission, as saying that in the absence of (post-1998) inspections, it is impossible to verify Iraqi disarmament compliance. But on 18 August this year, the very same Dr Blix told Associated Press that he couldn't say with certainty that Baghdad possessed WMDs. This quotation is excised from the Blair "dossier", of course.

So there it is. If these pages of trickery are based on "probably" and "if", we have no business going to war. If they are all true, we murdered half a million Iraqi children. How's that for a war crime?

Robert Fisk Sept 25

|  Duncan | Day: 28

 Jason, This might help.
I've just changed to win 2000NT & it has a narrator built in.

check the link below.

(It's the plain text version)

http://www.microsoft.com/enable/training/windowsxp/narratortypedcharacters-u.htm

db

|  oh, and... | Day: 28

 I'd much rather hear Security than Dark Side of the Moon *yet again*...

My black light doesn't even work anymore...

t

|  t - not my battle, but... | Day: 27

 Artie - Britney Spears is more "successful" than Genesis. Doesn't *that* tell you something?

The "Lamb..." was the last *great* Genesis album... you know, back when Phil Collins could play the drums...

What the hell does "ABABCAB" mean anyway?

C@w - Hold on there wayward son! I can't believe you even put Kansas in the same sentence with Roxy and Bowie...

|  Artie | Day: 27

 Oh PUHLEEEEEZZ!!!! Peter Gabriel is better than Pink Floyd??!!! Peter Gabriel couldn't even be a roadie for Pink Floyd! The minute Peter Gabriel left Genesis, they became one of the most successful bands ever. Doesn't that tell you something? Do me a favor, go listen to Sledghammer and then go listen to Dark Side of the Moon. If you still don't get it, you might as well stick a gun to your head.

I wanna be -- DAAHH -- your sledgehammer!

This is the worst song of the 80's, and that is saying a lot!

|  C @ work | Day: 27

 StAl - saying Peter Gabriel is better than the Who, Pink Floyd and U2 is like saying Dave Matthews is better than Kansas, Roxy Music and David Bowie. It's like saying Britney Spears is better than Spice Girls. What's the point? They all suck.

Peter Gabriel is a boring, self-opinionated, self-centered, pretentious shit-boot, who thinks he is Gods Gift to the Human Race.

I wouldn't spend one cent on his "art-music". You are saying you love Peter Gabriel because you think it's cool to be a Gabriel-fan. But I tell you man, there's nothing there under his fancy surface. There is nothing to "understand". It's like when those rich upper-class bitches goes to a classic concert pretending they are "understanding" and "appreciating" the fine art. Bullshit. Them bitches are all sleeping through those artsie concerts.

Just like I did during that awful Gabriel shit, but there's one distinction; I didn't pretend I was awake.

Miz Duck - how about telling us what it is you're DOING down there in San Diego? It's something about BobLovesBob, so it must be Steely Dan related, no?

Molly - we humans have a free will? Have you never heard about Compulsive Behaviour? Reading your posts I guess you've had.

Hoops - go somewhere else and save the world, okay?

C

|  zan | Day: 27

 T. I will get it. I have no life either.......

|  t | Day: 27

 Miz d - thanx! I'm scrollin'...

zan - Central Reservation is the one to get next... definitely. I got so worked up typing about Daybreaker that I had to hear that first song again before I left... Played it *real* loud. What gives it that strange feeling for me is the subtle rhythmic shifting between 3/4 and 6/8... and it reminds me of the song Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison! (chere - you out there suga?) It flows like water. It blew me away all over again... I couldn't wait to get home to type this... (ok, it's true, I have no life...)

Ok... *now* I'm scrolling...

|  Miz Ducky | Day: 27

 t -- re: the (preserved for posterity) Herington newsbite, scroll back and check message 1614 here on the GB.

/the duck
(demonstrating that brevity is the soul of, er, something or other)

P.S. Kewl! The classic rock station I've been listening to all evening just kicked into "Deacon Blues" ... if it isn't the first Dan I've heard them play, it's close to it. (FM 103.7, The Planet, for anyone who cares and/or is in the San Diego area)

P.P.S. Oh well, so much for brevity, or soul, or something or other ...

|  zan | Day: 27

 t. this is the first album of beth's i've heard. what earlier one should i get? the ist track on daybreaker reminds me of the intro of patsy cline...sweet dreams....maybe the familiarity is what gets in my way. just got delbert's latest cd.. good. and dave brubeck's greatest hits..incredible, i just play the whole thing over and over.

|  ╡ | Day: 27

 First Andy, now Jon...oh, the hu-Manatee...

|  t | Day: 27

 Miz Ducky! Hey, I was blinking! What paragraph? How are you doing down there anyway?

|  t | Day: 27

 Yep, I agree there's a lot going on on the first track... in fact, I intially didn't like this album as much as I did her previous one - Central Reservation. But about the 4th listen that first track really kicked in for me, and then the rest of the album did as well. Now I think it's as good as her last one, and I'll probably think it's better by this time next month...
In fact, the first time that first track really clicked for me I was barely paying attention to it, and it caught my attention about halfway through and didn't let go... I caught the flow of the lyrics and melody a lot better. Before that it was like the vocal and music weren't relating very well. Then it "made sense"...

So maybe the trick is to not really listen to it...

-rimshot!- But seriously folks...

Anyway... yeah, her voice is cool...

|  Miz Ducky | Day: 27

 Geez, blink and you miss it! The paragraph on Jon Herington's site about the upcoming Dan album is now missing in action. Glad y'all caught it and preserved it for posterity!

/the duck
emerging briefly from lurk mode

P.S. Thanks for the exhortation to not be a stranger ... though I'm already perhaps a bit too strange for my own damn good. :-) Seriously (well, sorta), I'll try to be around a little bit more often.

|  zan | Day: 27

 i didn't like the first track...too much stuff. violins. but at about 4 i really warmed up. interesting voice, i probably like it because it's rickie-ish..and it's not a boring CD. Holds my attention, which is not easy. Great lyrics as well.....not just the typical singer-songwriter drone

|  zan | Day: 27

 day breaker....

|  t | Day: 27

 zan - which one? I mentioned 3. And what is it you like about it? C'mon... cough up some details bud...

|  ZAN | Day: 27

 re: post 1662 JUST GOT THAT CD, REALLY LOVE IT.

|  zan | Day: 27

 Thanks for the addresses Betty Ray.

|  j a s o n | Day: 27

 I only just saw posts from "Polly" and "...and so it goes" (?!), or else i wouldn't have done the previous post. I just did a long vehement rebuttal, which got obliterated when the computing device started slowing down. This tends to happen when i'm going too far in a posting. Just my luck that divine intervention on my behalf gets wasted on such a trivial thing, instead of my medical crap.

|  j a s o n | Day: 27

 Howard--- thanks. Despite my supposedly cool and listening doctor chewing me out for taking up a minute of his time this morning, and announcing I'd never find help for either a long-standing destructive neurological state, or a new heart problem (so don't bother going to a cardiologist), the new SD album might give me a reason to stay around till next year. I just said to Molly I wouldn't post on this, but I'm in a "got nothing to lose" frame of mind.

Funny how most of 2vsN sounded like 'cheery', uniform light jazz-pop to me, until a half-dozen or dozen listenings. Including "Neg Girl"... it's amazing how completely i mis-heard it. If they write about a traumatic personal experience with a drug-overdosed girlfriend, and something just like this happened, it's not a stretch to say it was about the real incident, though DF could have done much or all the music, as far as i know.

I decipher lyrics from listening rather than by looking at lyric sheets, but I think i'm right in saying that they did something i've never heard of before... the line, "... I arrive in time to find her gone." That's right in the MIDDLE of the song, yet I think it's the END of the story... the aftermath of the over-dose. That's unusual story-telling, if I'm right, especially since the line is somewhat mumbled, and they move past it very fast, in the song. Pulp Fiction-ish, maybe.

It's effective, I think.

Great subject, suicide. I'm posting to get my mind off of that. Damn Derek Humphries never actually tells you how to do it.

For more up, cheery talk-- audio-tape correspondence will be snapped up eagerly... haven't given anyone any good reasons yet for doing it, but i should soon. Physical mailing address can be gotten at--- embryorm@juno.com

|  Name Dropper | Day: 27

 I would think that since it was Graham Parker and the Rumour that he would no qualify as a "Rumour" Is Tom Petty a "Heartbreaker"? Is Bruce Springsteen in the "E Street Band"? Is Gerry a Pacemaker? Is Herman a Hermit? Is Elvis an Attraction?

|  Graham Parker ....is that a rumour ?? | Day: 27

 Oh Lord don't ask me questions

|  W1P | Day: 27

 TONIGHT in New York City! Fair Forgery artist Tom Freund at The Living Room, 84 Stanton Street, 212.533.7235, corner of stanton and allen. Tom Freund not only provided a sterling version of "Fearless" he also recruited Graham Parker to contribute a stellar acoustic version of "Comfortably Numb" to "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"

|  Beerberian | Day: 27

 Tones/StAl; since when have Dan fans worried about "radio friendly" :) .....I'm more worried about the; He's crap, She's shit, that get's thrown around here - musical preference is just that !!! .A PREFERENCE ...unjustified "I hate that" is of no ethical relevance , surely ??

Perhaps there ARE unheard preambles to these statements (I don't hear 'em) Let him/her who is without several platinum disques, cast the first critique ..LOL
....Me? (Thankyou for askin') I try and take every new sound @ face value - then give MY (and only my) take on PREFERENCE .... Let's think on this mebbe ? btw I PREFER to be a likeable guy .... deep breath...howabout it ?

back to "UP" ..Track 1 "Darkness" still catches me with that volume thing ...you know ..hmmmm it's a bit quiet , i'll turn it up..... SHITTTTTT that was LOUD thing ...anybody else ??

As for RF maybe not BUT ...it IS Headphone friendly TRUST me you need to get intimate with this one partic "Sky Blue" that Bass vocal on the outro has to be felt .......I love THE BUILD on this track

THIS GUY IS EXPOSING HIS SOUL àà.and HeÆs playing a Bosendorfer

"No way out" ....Peter Gunn guitar ???? anyone else hear that ? Great percussion work SO (that one again) many layers to the beat à..

And here we are @ track 5 again à. I want this played at my funeral please (NOT YET !!)

It was only one hour ago IT was all different then àà..

In My OpinIan à It works 4 meà.. They say life carries on and on and on à..

Apologies for the sermon of PREFERENCE ..but did I dream this belief LOL

|  hoops | Day: 27

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|  blue eyed deckard | Day: 27

molly
hmmmn...see what you mean mate, flankers for shure.....he he

|  tones | Day: 27

 Hey everyone...

St. Al - That was pretty much my take on the new Gabriel cd: not radio friendly, mainstream American radio anyway. Music not driven by the marketplace, though there's enough rhythmic familiarity to not scare away those who just discovered him around the time of So. To me, it sounds more like his 1st solo album than anything he's done since then. Especially in the "voices-inside-your-head" vocal layering and the singing in character. And the non-linear song structures. And I agree with Beerberian... I Grieve blew me away immediately. Wasn't there an earlier version of that song on the City of Angels soundtrack? I didn't notice it much then, but now... sadly, it's full of relevance. And I think the whole cd is the best sounding cd I've heard since 2vsN.

Btw, the new Beck is pretty smokin' too...

In the "artists deserving greater recognition" category: Beth Orton. Her new one is great...

All imho, of course...

t

|  angel | Day: 27

 Click the link above, Steve. I don't say it is necessarally right or correct, I just wondered if anyone had heard about it.
By the way: Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for the information I was refering to.

|  Aja...........back at a borrowed computer | Day: 27

 Sitting here laughing at the usual GB shenanigans.....my computer's down and I only have 2 minutes left on this one, so I only have time to reply to this:

"these things are power!!!", right, aja?

Especially when they collide!

Aja

|  Steveedan | Day: 27

 St. Al - I too picked up "UP" a couple of days ago and have only listened to it once. I agree with your impression. It's a tough thing to argue about who is best among Gabriel and Pink Floyd. I would say that both of these artists have taken the listener to places never before experienced.

Lady Bayside - I hope that you continue to frequent these parts.

Angel - A song called "Countown To Ecstasy"? How did you come upon this information?

Back on Gabriel - I got the CD at Tower Records on Sunset Blvd. in West Hollywood. While I was there, I spent a lot of time parusing their music DVD collection. It is really huge (the collection I mean ...). I found stuff that I thought was either out of print or didn't even exist.

1. Jack DeJohnette, Herbie Hancock, Dave Holland, and Pat Metheny in Concert (REcorded at the 1990 Mellon Jazz Festival)

2. Steve Howe (of Yes) - The Classic Rock Legends Series

3. Steve Hackett - The Live Tokyo Tapes - with John Wetton, Chester Thompson, Ian McDonald, and Julian Colbeck (it's got Watcher Of The Skies, Firth Of Fifth, Los Endos, and others)

and,

4. The Residents (!!!) - Icky Flix. Possibly the strangest most eccentric musical and video acts ever to slither across the public scene. I remember first encountering these guys back in my UC Berkeley days in the early 80's. I haven't cracked the plastic on this one yet.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Steveedan

|  W1P | Day: 27

 I know Pink Floyd and Peter, you're no Pink Floyd. One of the tracks on "A Fair Forgery" is Shaun Guerin doing "In the Flesh" -- Shaun is the singer in a Peter-era Genesis tribute band called Cinema Show. His track sounds like I'd imagine Floyd would sound like if Peter handled the lead vocals.

Lady Bayside -- I miss you too. Angel, feel free to speak for us.

|  YGK | Day: 27

 Aus: Bett-ray than Pink.....

WEakness: go to the deli, and buy some Sopresatta, smoked Mozz, put it on a toasted Bagel and Get some fricking taste, willya? since you haven't inherited any, you gotta buy it.....

St. Al: looking forward to speaking......will try to grab some Int. Software today.....gracias.....host

ygk

|  StAl | Day: 27

 Auss: Way

|  WEber | Day: 27

 St.Al...Would you please make up your mind. First it was "Dave Matthews is the best". Now it's Peter Gabriel. They both suck!

|  Aussie | Day: 27

 St. Al: Bettre than Pink Floyd?????!!!? No way brother.

Aus

|  StAlphonzo | Day: 27

 Clas: I love you man, but you say the most moronic things at times.

The Secret World Live tour Gabriel embarked on in 93-94 was, BY FAR, the best, most theatrical rock concert I've ever seen and I've been to close to 200 shows in my time. Better than U2 Zooropa. Better than Pink Floyd. Better than the Who when they recreated Tommy a few years back. In fact, comparing it to a rock concert is not as accurate as comparing it to, say, a Vegas production of Cirque de Soleil. I doubt even your pinhead would get bored there...:)

Peter Gabriel is an award winning producer of multimedia productions. Sledgehammer still ranks as one of the most innovative videos ever produced. Watching Secret World Live was like watching a live music video. His band is full of world class talent -- some of the best musicians around. Levin and Katche are my favorites at their respective instruments. So unlike other bands that rely on props and special effects to carry them through -- Gabriel and company are the real deal. So real, in fact, I'm thinking about spending some serious cash I don't have go see him play in Oakland this Winter AND at the risk of seriously pissing my wife off to boot. Something I try to avoid.

Dude, put the fucking bong down. Peter Gabriel is "boring"?!? Besides a couple of statements Bill has made in the past, that IS the most moronic thing I've EVER heard on this guestbook. Coming from the man who thinks Jackzzzzzzon Browne is the bees-knees, I really have to wonder about your sanity at times...

StAl

|  lp | Day: 27

 hey - catching up on posts - lol on the anonnies - shout outs to angel, clas, ward (all paid dearie, i used your swiss account, you odn't mind, do you?), lady bayside, snakehips, and the lurking gina, cyn and jim#

over the bridge for the weekend - see you ward at the harvard club in boston tomorrow night!

|  Molly | Day: 27

 Hi everyone!
Clas, yes Sugarman most Pedophiles were sexually abused as children themselves. ( As were the majority of Sociopaths I've encountered ) However, not all victims of childhood sexual abuse become Pedophiles or Sociopaths. I feel we all are granted a free will by God. It is the one true thing that seperates us from animals. One does not have to live by their appetites or desires. I'm afraid I lose most of my compassion whenever I hear an Adult state the reason that he sexually assaulted a 5 year old kid was because " She was such a sexy little girl". Or a grown man say that he's sodomized his son for the last 6 years as an act of "love". Visions of murder dance in my head for a few fleeting moments. Instead I channel my fury into more positive things. If it gets to me real bad, I climb...then come back and do it again. Please excuse me, I'm a bit nuts about this subject.
BB, what a beautiful guitar! Doll? Hardly....LMAO!But thanks just the same...
Flippy, Thank you for your post. I'm glad we met.I look forward to seeing you again.
Ed, nice to see you as always. Sorry couldn't talk more. I was lured away by a certain Viking Warrior.... *wink*
Josie, hang in there honey... I'll keep you in my thoughts.
Jim# and Cyn, nice talking however briefly.....
Shellie, What kind of ammo are you using? In a small caliber weapon it might be something as simple as changing to smokeless ammunition, or the way you hold the pistol when you fire it. Silly, but that could be making it jam.... Before you take it to gunsmith, ask Drew or Dean to take a look. See ya next week.

Off to my furnace now
Be peaceful and Loving if you can.......M

|  angel | Day: 27

 Ed Beatty: Oops....

Eric: I understand completely. I go by a handle. Glad the info on Keith Carlock was of interest to you.

Clas: Sorry to include anyone in my comment. I missed her.

Another piece of trivia I found during my SD travels yesterday, was the fact that there was actually a song called "Countdown to Ecstasy", but it was eventually rejected. Anyone know about this or the story behind it?

|  Bill | Day: 27

 Shoofie,
I'll see your "." and raise you a "?"

Frankie,
Damn..., you figured us out. But we're not returning these Russian
girls for anything. Hopefully this won't re-ignite the cold war.
Please refrain from pushing the button down over this.

WJAZ,
Have'nt seen you in a while. Can business be that good? Jeez I
hope not...

Josie,
Arnold has been leaving messages on my machine. Really ominous
messages. Tell Maria that we'll have to do a better job of keeping
this thing a secret. Thanks. Tell Ted I said hi.

St. Al,
Regarding your question concerning the U.S. Terror Alert Level,
although we have never reached the Navaho White stage we did
once fall to the Peachpuff level during the presidency of
Warren G. Harding.

|  C @ work | Day: 27

 Ange, you say; "Hey back at you Lady Bayside. We did indeed miss you."

"WE miss you"? I didn't know she existed so I didn't miss her.

StAl - oh man, Peter Gabriel is SO boring. My wife brought me to one of his concerts once. When it was time to leave she had to wake me up (I fell asleep during one of his more artsie and pretentious songs, the one where he's jumping around in red tights).

The only good with Peter Gabriel is his Home Page, very cool design.

Molly - paedophiles are people who are victims of paedophiles. That fact gives a certain ring to the problem, doesn't it?

C

|  Duncan | Day: 26

 Anybody got a copy of ITC Stone Sans Semi Bold they could send me ?

Thanks

|  Little One | Day: 26

 These people are fucked up and cruel. I saw nicer individuals when I was employed by the Florida Penal System. They're hyenas babe. It's time to walk away.

|  Jimbo | Day: 26

 Frankie- To answer your question, there were 4 Donald Fagen videos.

New Frontier
Century's End
Tomorrow's Girls
Snowbound
The last two are from Kamakiriad.

New Frontier did involve a man who takes his girlfriend on a tour of the bomb shelter behind his parents' house. The animation was so cool.

No video for I.G.Y.. There was a remake of the song by Howard Jones, but it was a very tepid remake.

|  frankie | Day: 26

 Hello all,
Would any body know anything about Donald Fagans nightfly songs I.G.Y. and New Frontier, I believe I saw a music video some years ago about the song New Frontier, it was kind of cartoonish and science related - do the videos exist? and where could one legally purchase one and posses to own. Would very much like to see it again, or was it some cheap tv show for American men to start dating Russian girls.

|  Gullywater | Day: 26

 It wasn't Ed that asked about Carlock and what other work he has done. My name is Eric (I don't wish to give out my last name). By the way, thank you for the info about Wayne Krantz. Much appreciated :)

eric b

|  ed beatty | Day: 26

 angel...

????

Ed Beatty

|  Whateva | Day: 26

 Angel - Thanks for stealing Steely Dan's music...I'm sure they appreciate it immensely!

|  angel (Shout out to Lady Bayside!!!!) | Day: 26

 Hey back at you Lady Bayside. We did indeed miss you.

|  angel | Day: 26

 Ed Beatty: Searching for intelligent life on the SD web pages, I too ran across the fact that Keith did the title track on 2VN. I happen to like that track a whole lot, so look forward to the album.
Keith belongs to a band with Wayne Krantz. Check out the link.
www.waynekrantz.com
Found on that page:
"Wayne Krantz, ex-sideman with Steely Dan, Michael Brecker, Billy Cobham and others, gave it all up to lead a band in NYC with Tim Lefebvre and Keith Carlock."

Now my apologies to Walter (as if he cares). Reading those same 2VN liner notes, I found out that Walter did quite a bit of bass playing on 2VN. I knew he did most of the guitar work, but I wasn't aware of the bass. I don't own the liner notes, so I had never actually read them before today.
(Note that I did buy the CD, but I sent it to my sister. So all I have is a burned CD. Ugh!)

|  Jimbo | Day: 26

 Lady Bayside- Great to hear from you again. Sorry no one was there but I guess we were all busy in the daytime.

We haven't from you in quite a while. Where've you been?

|  flippy | Day: 26

 I love Molly's posts. She's fun, well written, unafraid to show herself to the squirrels and nuts on this page. Go Moll, have a field day. I wish the critics would have the balls/eggs to let us know who they are. Phantom messages are rather meaningless, no? blah blah

|  WEber | Day: 26

 Wow! You see St.Al- It's not JUST me!

|  Gullywater | Day: 26

 So Keith Carlock is going to be on the new Steely Dan album huh? I like his work on the title track on 2vn. Does anyone here know more about his other studio/live work? Would be interested to find out. Thanks.

eb

|  and it goes on...... | Day: 26

 I know Molly....everything is about YOU.
Must you share EVERYTHING with us?
I don't care if you are subtle or don't hint. I don't care how much you loved your husband.
I certainly don't care what your spin on love is.
I don't care about your morals or lack of them.
and I know YOU don't care what others think or you would stop typing and read what others have to say.
But then again.....I really don't care whether you do or not.....

|  Polly | Day: 26

 Molly: Can you get any MORE pathetic?

|  Molly | Day: 26

 Re:Post 1643 Apparently you can't read. It was on the ground...
By the way, I never said I'd have no compunctions about sleeping with a married man. I said "IF" I wanted a man I'd let him know. I don't hint. I don't do subtle. I don't use the internet to find men. I don't have time for those kinds of games. I've learned life is short. When I like someone, I tell them. It might be the last opportunity I have to do so. Love can sometimes make people do things they never thought they would. I never had to face that moral dilemma. I try hard not to judge others. I don't know how I would act in their circumstances. I've never been in love with a married person. I loved my first husband with a fierceness that burned my soul. I can't imagine anything deterring me from being with him.

|  Eddie Kaskell | Day: 26

 Hey June: Pay your bills, bitch!

|  LadyBayside | Day: 26

 I finally get to chat during the day again and there's not a soul in the chatroom! Phooey. Guess I might try to get some work done.

LB

|  StAl | Day: 26

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StAl

|  Ward | Day: 26

 June: Hey little lovie. Did you remember to send a cheque to the club for our boat slip on the Chessie? The JDF fundraiser last night at Cipriani's has had me reeling all day long. Also, tell Beavre that those wing-dings in Hawaii are strictly adult affairs. Wally's ok, but NOT Beavre.

luv-luv,
W

|  Shoofie | Day: 26

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|  Jimbo | Day: 26

 St.Al- Thanks for the Peter Gabriel review. The CD is definitely worth getting since it won't appeal to radio DJs used to Kelly Clarksons of the world.

PETER GABRIEL ON THE TODAY SHOW TOMMORROW, POSSIBLY AT 8:30 AM E.S.T..

Looking forward to hearing The Barry Williams Show.

|  W1P | Day: 26

 Re: The Yellow -- "Clean this mess up, else we'll all end up in jail"

|  Anony-boy | Day: 26

 The Source: ROFLMAO!!!

A-B.

|  The Source | Day: 26

In the ground, there, Molly? Looks more like a grave to me

OMG..Somebody stopppp meeeee..just too damn easy !

|  Randy | Day: 26

P.S. to the last post:

For those who might infer otherwise, I only wrote the first of the subsequent "Top Ten Things Not To Post..." postings;

Another point many seem to miss in regards to Steely Dan is the element of humor; both Becker and Fagen have noted that one of the key ingredients to a song's inclusion on an album or even the will to complete a song to begin with is whether or not THEY find it funny (or sarcastic enough as the case may be). They were quoted as having seen the lyrical scenario in 'Gaucho' as "wildly funny," and it's obvious by their interviewed responses they feel the same about "Cousin Dupree" (it's hardly a serious character assessment);

The reasons Steely Dan (as one poster put it) "went dormant" had more to do with

a. an admitted running out of ideas and energy for the collaboration;

b. the first surfacing of differences between Becker and Fagen (later attributed to Becker's chemical dependence problems);

c. a need for both parties to focus on other facets of their lives;

d. the general difficulties experienced during the recording of 1980's 'Gaucho' (including Becker's absence to due his broken leg as well as his aforementioned problem, the accidental erasing of "The Second Arrangement," the drug-related death of Karen Stanley, and the subsequent law suit Becker faced from Miss Stanley's parents).

Fagen described the recording of 'Gaucho' as akin to "pulling teeth"; after all that, they needed a break.

All songs on all Steely Dan albums are credited to Becker and Fagen; at no point in their career has there been any evidence to suggest that their writing arrangement is like that of late period Lennon-McCartney, wherein one or the other (generally) wrote any given song's music and lyrics; no music or lyrics on 'Two Against Nature' are more representative of Becker or Fagen than on any other Steely Dan recording; can anyone say with any element of "fact" who wrote more of the lyrics to "I Got the News," or who was more responsible for the music to "Everything You Did"? Someone posted that they felt it was obvious that "Negative Girl" and "Almost Gothic" were about the same person; I think without a doubt they are absolutely not...

It's interesting how people perceive the same things-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

|  StAl | Day: 26

 Ok, so here are some thoughts on my first full spin through of Peter Gabriel's new one.

A couple of things strike me. First. This disc is absolutely the most UN-radio-friendly CD I've heard him put out since last Temptation of Christ soundtrack. Barry Williams Show is a stretch for many radio stations, though I expect it will end up being a minor hit on Adult Alternative radio. It certainly is played a lot on KMTT here in Seattle, but they are often the exception in radio.

This disc is a brooding affair along the lines of his earliest work. Unlike the pop riddled So and Us, this one is haunting, melodic and bittersweet with little or no upbeat songs. Fans of ambient and trance style music will really appreciate it. Can't really say I notice any tracks that really stand out since I've only really listened to it once. As you would expect, it's beautifully arranged and produced. The sound quality is fantastic, and it really taxes the 10 inch woofer in the trunk of my car.

You'll appreciate some of the people who worked on this disc. Besides his core band of Levin, Katche and Rhodes, he's joined on different tracks by Steve Gadd, Blind Boys of Alabama, David Lanois, David Sancious and Peter Green, among others.

No lyrics in the jacket, so it's harder to get a true feeling for what Gabriel is trying to convey. This disc is an enhanced CD so the lyrics on available through a computer CD-Rom. I'll have to investigate.

If you're a fan of PG's work on tunes like Blood of Eden or any of his first 3 albums, you'll probably like Up, even though the arrangements are much different. If you're a fan of songs like Solsbury Hill, Kiss That Frog or Shaking The Tree -- you'll probably be disappointed. Though I'd say I tend to fall into the later category, I'm far from disappointed. This one will definitely require multiple listenings before judgment can be passed.

|  Beers again | Day: 26

 Hutch; I have a pic, send me a mail address to above and I'll send you it .....

|  Randy | Day: 26

1. For the record, the majority of the posts I make here (at least in regards to my 'Top Ten Things Not To Post' Posts) are generally SARCASTIC; I have an inherently sarcastic, ascerbic, dark sense of humor sometimes, especially when faced with short-sightedness or presumptuousness (both elements of which appear here on this guestbook on occasion - see below); sometimes I read or post here for the "fun" of it, other times it's to have a remotely intellectual discourse on one of my favorite bands (when the board is open to it).

I normally don't explain anything about what I post (I don't have to), but I'll concede to the occasional exception: the top ten lists are for entertaiment purposes, as well as to make a "joke" criticism of what people discuss here; some of it is mere intended irony, other times it's a bit darker as there are quite a number of instances when posters clearly did not think before they posted (this is not directed at anyone in particular); at no time is anything posted by me directed at any one person (#2 below being another one of my exceptions); the posts are general and directed at everyone as I don't "know" any of you, and none of you know me;

2. Please don't infer anything about "what I need in my life"; little can be assessed based on a few posts on a guestbook; I happen to have a beautiful, intelligent young girlfriend who gives me everything I need (thank you very much), none of which is anyone's business anyway;

3. There appears to be quite a bit of presumptuousness in regards to the interpretation of the writing on the last Steely Dan album; there are precious few songs in the Becker and Fagen canon which were written solely by one or the other (Fagen's "Barrytown" and "Bodhisattva" come to mind); this is not an opinion but a matter of public record if one has done their research; their efforts are truly a collaboration in respect to both the music and the lyrics; I would doubt considerably that "Negative Girl" has anything to do with Becker's ex-girlfriend Karen Stanley, who did die of an apparent overdose in his New York apartment in 1980; "Negative Girl" appears to me to be an impressionistic composite, with elements likely to be from a few different people or types of people. it is likely that "Junkie Girl" has its roots in the Becker-Stanley relationship, but Becker was clearly crushed by the whole incident (it was after all his live-in girlfriend), and I doubt he would merely consider her a "junkie girl" (if one takes the term at face value). Thus, even in that instance one can question how much of the lyrical perspective's whole is directly about Miss Stanley; she is more likely to have been a catalyst to the main theme of the lyric. Most songs in general are composites of different scenarios and different people, and only occasionally all about one person (witness Stephen Stills' direct paean to Judy Collins, "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes").

People have read lyrics to my material (I'm a professional musician) which were left intentionally oblique, and they never precisely interpret any given line the way I intended, which is good, as I want to leave things ambiguous; sometimes I want them to know exactly what I mean, and when I do, I write it so they will; other times, I want it patently unclear; this was largely gleaned from Steely Dan. I'd rather have someone wondering what the hell I mean by a given lyric than know immediately and then not really be paying that much attention. Sounds like a Steely trait, no?

Lyrical or musical direction in any given Steely Dan song may be started by one or the other, but each uses the attributes of the other to "flesh out" what they come to the table with, or change what they don't like; little of the songs in the Steely Dan lexicon are directly autobiographical, and it is mere assumption to figure how much comes directly from their lives and what is pure fabrication; both Walter Becker and Donald Fagen are intelligent, interesting, intellectual, and seemingly well-adjusted men, neither of whom are likely to have an actual or personal interest in the subjects they write about (astutely put by another poster as "writing about a pedophile does not make one a pedophile").

Writing about lowly, deadbeat type characters has been part of the focus of Steely Dan's writing for the whole of their career; they write about what's interesting; a song about a happy suburban family with all the money they need would be very difficult to make interesting; I'm disinterested just reading that last sentence; the entire scope of the Steely Dan perspective leaves almost every lyric open to interpretation; if you think you know EXACTLY who wrote what and PRECISELY what it's about, it's likely you're way off base, in one respect or another; and likely that Walter Becker and Donald Fagen planned it that way-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

|  Beerberian | Day: 26

 Hutch; Will have a look ....It's at the menders @ the mo' My Mother had it up in attic (not the best place for an antique). Its having a thorough check up, and bridge replacement (def strictly acoustic.)There was a whole lotta 50's sheet music up there as well incl some Burt Weedon lol

|  Hutch | Day: 26

 Beer - Look inside the f-holes. You might find a model number or serial number on a sticker in there. Framus is a German company. I remember their guitars from the early sixties. They were never really considered a high-end guitar, but you know these days even lower priced guitars from the fifties and early sixties are becoming collector's items.
If you can find a model number (and serial number) I can look it up in the book at work. Does it have pick-ups or is it strictly acoustic?

Hutch

|  Molly | Day: 26

 Hi everyone!
Howard, point taken Sugar. Still, in order to write about something effectively one must have some knowledge about your subject. One doesn't have to be a pedophile in order to write about pedophilia. But you would have to have some sort of familiarization of the dynamic of child molestation. Even then, I'm not sure one could truly understand the Pedophile's mind set or emotions. I've heard countless Baby rapers expound on their motivations, and it only enraged me. Moreover, I suppose the day I could truly understand how those sick fuckers think or feel will be the day I eat a bullet.( Sorry, i'm getting tangential! ) My take on the lyrics I mentioned were that in order to write with the poignacy that Becker and Fagen do, they must have experienced some of those emotions first hand. Maybe i'm just a romantic Howard. I loved "That Seven Feel" My God Howard, you can play your ass off! Your nickname should be ligtning fingers or something like that. I'd love to see you perform.Can I purchase any more of your music?

I wasn't judging Walter Becker. Why would I? I had a relationship with a 43 year old man at 17. He treated me with more love and kindness than any other person in my life before or since then. I will always have a special place in my heart for him, and have no regrets. Again, you don't have a clue about me and who I am. My foot is on the ground where it has always been.

|  lp | Day: 26

 LOL - you people are worse than the ones at my dog catching meeting last night - what a riot!

i thought my disclaimer was pretty clear of the thrice removed nature of the story - someone mentioned about whether walt liked em young and it made me laugh and think of some of the stories an old friend who lived next door used to tell us - i thought my verbiage settled the enquirer-like edge to such news, but i guess not

people that know me in a cyber-way know, i think, what i meant

whatever, have a happy thorsday

|  ╡ | Day: 26

 Berr: Holy Mac - he's Got the News indeed!!!!!

"Jon will be travelling again in late October with Boz Scaggs and band, this time for shows in Indiana, Mississippi, Loisiana, and Dallas. More dates may be added; check www.pollstar.com and type in Boz Scaggs for all concert info.

Jon will be heading to Japan on September 19th for, of all things, a country music festival! Joined by Zev Katz on bass, Brian Mitchell on keys, and Denny McDermott on drums, Jon will be backing up the one and only Rosanne Cash. The band will be featured with Charlie Daniels and his band, and the festival will include performances by many Japanese country music bands, as well!

A new Steely Dan album is well on the way to being finished. Jon played on 11 tracks of the tracking sessions with Walter Becker on bass, Donald Fagen on keys, Ted Baker on keys, Keith Carlock on drums, and Hugh McCracken on guitar. Elliot Scheiner was engineering."

Given the infor on Jon's touring, etc., SD recording is on hiatus or done and mixing/thinking/more songwriting/sequencing the drums within 0.000000001 sec/just plain fucking around/mugging in front of the Dan Cam/ OR writing liner notes is proceeding...

angel: yes - ahh whun anna tuo anna treee

...Carlock - we're gonna have some fill...

Bob Greene: 17, but if made you feel Kinkier in the Red Blazer...

|  Beerberian Beaming up | Day: 26

 angel; OMG I never won anything before .......and me with no speech , and nothin' to wear (not a pretty sight) ... I'd like to thank (unfurls list as long as the gap 'tween Aja and 2vsN) ...... just kiddin' - I read it same as you ..maybe more than 11 tracks ....woohoo it's a double album !!

Axemen all ... Anybody know anything about "FRAMUS" guitars I just inherited my Dads and I'm trying to trace the origin and model etc It's a cutaway accoustic, double f soundholes , at least 1958 maybe earlier ...any pointers would be apprec (very little found on the web so far)

|  The Beav | Day: 26

 Aw, shucks! Mahhhhm! Dahhhhhd! I never get to have any fun.......c'mon, can I go to Hawaii? can I?

|  angel (Yes Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Winner) | Day: 26

 Beerberian: Yes! You win the major Steely Dan news award! The Herington site says the news is as of September 02 and mentions The Concert for America, too. The site says that he and Tom Barney were both playing during that Concert in Washington, DC.

So what we have are 11 tracks that Jon played on. No telling if there are actually more then that, but at least 11. Walter played on Bass? Now that is also news. He hasn't done bass in years. I would love to hear him do some, so that's great. Anyone know Keith Carlock on Drums? Going to have to check him out. 2003 is looking better and better, but they might miss my favorite release date of 01/02/03. :-)

Regarding the Walter/Hawaii stuff. Neighborhood snooping behavior, nothing unusual about that. I actually found the story funny, because it is such a typical report for a neighbor to make. Check out the Dan Cam if you want to see what is really going on in Hawaii. LOL Smerk!

|  The Source | Day: 26

Too Freakin' funny, a woman that claims she'd sleep with a married man has the gall to question Walts morals? Just because of songs he and Don wrote and sang ?

Fucking hell, Get real woman! and while you're at it, Get your foot out of your mouth, again.

Talk about stuck on stupid !

Cuz I'm digging a ditch where madness gives a bit..digging a ditch where silence lives....................DMB

|  snakehips | Day: 26

Bwaaawhatever: LP has brought more intelligence and fun to this board than most who post here. You must be the jackass.