Name: Roger
RTPUPPY@BoneShare.com
Location: Philladelphia, PA
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 22:07:26
Comments:
Ren Mazollo: Here in America we pronounce it 'Don'.
Roger
Name: DrMu
homicide on the dunes
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 20:15:39
Comments:
Geena: Boy, ARE having terrible luck if your
GOLD does not contain "True Companion." The origianl
SD-Gold had 8 selections. 4 tracks were added
for the CD format in '91: "Here at the Western
World," "Century's End" (remixed by Elliot Scheiner),
"True Companion," and the live "Bodhisattva" from the last concert of the 70s in Santa Monica with Jerome Aniston
giving the "introduction."
Name: Myra Eyefull
duh
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 20:11:43
Comments:
Stranger: According to my husband, you would have had to perform frontal lobotomies on the entire French soccer team in order to get them to agree to have their picture taken with me.
Fezo: Roy and I managed to avoid any serious damage up our way. I had considered getting a room in Virginia Beach proir to the storm because I had heard that they were offering hurricane rates
and I love to watch the surf kick up. We have always dodge the bullet up to now but this storm surprised us at the last minute.("It's not nice to fool Mother Nature")A lot of people are still without power. I'm afraid I'm too dependent on modern conveniences to go without electricity for this long. I would have to find my way into a motel.Myra
Name: Marred
nocanunsend
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 19:39:01
Comments:
Geena, Well yes. just a BIT much.
chagrimp'd
Name: Geena
Mad as hell!
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 18:50:57
Comments:
I hate it when I can't seperate my posts!
Name: Geena
Orient Express
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 18:49:26
Comments:
It must be in the stars, does anyone here with any knowledge of astrology, numerology, bio-rhythms, I-ching or gypsy fortune telling tell me why I've had such a string of misfortunes, lately? Without going into it, all I can say is I hope it's over! So, I enter the GB after many days of absentia and notice it's become another version of Oprah's Book Reviews, lessons in physics and astronomy, the art of motorcycle maintenance and the formation of religious cults, Wow! if it wasn't for bad luck! On the other hand, I guess I'm just jealous because I hardly have time anymore to even read the back of a cereal box and as for physics and the like; could never get into it. It's there, it happens, I don't ask. Anyway, I'm on vacation next week!!!!
Peg: Sorry, I couldn't jump on the literary bandwagon with my offerings of intellectual and non intellectual reads, but hope you have a lovely vacation.
Rose D: Welcome back! you were probably an hour and a half away from me, why didn't you call? 40 can look terrific if one does it right!
Il Straniero: another fabulous quote from a fab dude. Money laundering? I'm staying far away from that!
Fez-Oh!: When I first jumped on the internet, I loved it so much, I began scheming of ways to take time off from work so I could play all day. I fought with myself for a few hours, but then as usual, my logical side won and said: "no spacebrain, you can become addicted to this and could end up at Internet Addicts Anonymous or an Internet Detox Center or in an Internet Desensitizing chamber, all of which your HMO won't pay for."
Marred: pass me the packing tape and get back in the box.
Clas: in my italian dialect, a "velenese" is a resident of Avellino, it also means poison. so, if one is trying to learn the dialect of south central Italy and asks a resident this question, they shouldn't become offended if a slew of obscenities and curses follow.
DrMu: My version of Steely Dan Gold - Expanded Edition does not include "True Companion." what gives?
countzir0: Things NOT to watch on Sunday morning TV:
Infomercials
Alice
One Day at a Time (pre Eddie Van Halen Bertinelli)
N.E. Farm Report
Martha Stewart (not a good thing)
Charlie Horse Music Pizza
Lumberjack Competition
Dr. Candido Perez
Yo! MTV Raps
over and out
Name: Mitch
Steel City
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:35:31
Comments:
Monica L. now that was a mouthful. Here comes the bidding war for the sex story, it`s at 2 million now. How high do you think it will go?
Name: TheStranger
where's the xanax?
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:23:57
Comments:
did i say every media? i meant every medium. see what happens, myra? you can't relax. stop discussing me or i'm gonna post those pics of you & the french soccer team.
Name: TheStranger
behind the big casino
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:16:07
Comments:
myra eyefull,
whoever told you i'm a writer was tragically mistaken. i launder money and do unlicensed brain surgery from my cayman island headquarters. but if i were a writer i would probably tell you that i think i'm getting better and that at this rate i should be pretty good by the year 3006.yeah, it's tougher to get someone's attention, something everyone in every media has to deal with. so we get movies about guys who trade faces & we see computerized dinosaurs and asteroids and shit & we get numbed by it all. but good books are still getting published, good movies still get made somehow, good music gets composed & played. we just have to search through more trash to find the gems.
Name: imp
@udentbystingingrain
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 15:43:24
Comments:
sharply flattened.
Name: fezo
home@last
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 15:07:02
Comments:
Roy/Myra: Did y'all safely endure Bonnie's turn back to Va Beach? I heard it caught the natives by surprise but haven't heard how far inland it got
All: I read more about the Internet survey today on the AP wire. Survey sounds somewhat skewed. They took 130 computer newbees. Gave 'em free computers and internet service and told 'em to do as they like. Jesus, if that was me, I'd call home sick for three months and surf 20 hours a day. Damn straight I'd be seeing less of my friends.
Clas: you heard "Running On Empty" lately? i pulled the disc out of the mothballs over the weekend and played it over and over. Good stuff. Except for the title cut which is a bit histrionic, all the songs are real sparse and subtle.
"when i turn out the light
i got to hand you to me"
Name: Aja (SierraLuna)
non sequitor
Location: ?,
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 14:21:58
Comments:
Hello! I haven't had much access to the web lately and have only read a few posts in monthes. Hope everyone is doing well.
StAl - Happy belated Anniversary!
Dan (the server at the Danfest dinner) - Excellent job, don't think you weren't noticed.
Danfest attendees - I'm still hanging in there and sort of "stranded in Red Hook".
lisa - I hope you are doing well and Bonnie was true to her name to you.
Kinkster - While I'm in the NY area I'd like to see you if possible (& know it, if you have shown your face to me before). Email me through Daves88.
Later, Aja
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
anthonys.bar.n.grill
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 12:10:13
Comments:
BTW, Roy, since you asked about my spewing at the Danfest...
While lisa was on the phone with Gretchen, I was opening my bottle of club soda with the usual predictable (except by me) result of water going everywhere. lisa told Gretchen that I was spewing over the carpet. She did not elaborate or clarify.
Name: Myra Eyefull
bettertod@y
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:50:59
Comments:
Stranger: Since you are a writer, do you find that your works are better now than when you first started writing?
Our society is so high tech these days, we tend not to apprecriate the simpler things we once loved. For example: take a child to the zoo now and he may not get half as excited as we once did at that same age. Movies are most likely better now with all the computer techniques available but you have to appreciate the fine works of the past.Myra
Name: Marred
iknowhathappens@readbook
Egypt, when it rains
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:43:04
Comments:
Knowing full well that with all of you minds, I may encounter wrath and postulations, and viable (viabile, product of filtration and therefore, clear) arguments, I just have to say Doc Kelly, that yes, of COURSE there is God...oh, but that was not your exact question, was it?
Oh, and of course, you were not asking me..how could you?
..How do you know if it's even there once you see it go into the box? unless you're the box
feet up sphinxster, if only I could dodge these damn raindrops..gotta get home, inside my empty boxful of space.
impudent guest
Name: TheStranger
reelin in the years
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:33:22
Comments:
luckless pedestrian,
don't feel bad. i thought 'easy rider' was a profound movie when it came out. i saw it on the tube not long ago & couldn't believe i'd ever been so dumb. not everything ages like good red wine. but you hit it on the head -- the Dan still holds up. guess that's why we're here.
Name: Monica L
Well I never!
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:30:53
Comments:
Boston Globe: That's a lie and I can prove it!
Name: Boston Globe
you're fired
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:05:57
Comments:
M.L. Wasn't that a skit on Politically Incorrect?
Name: DrMu
not your Dali Lama
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:01:47
Comments:
Doc: I know you're having fun at my expense and that's OK (it's time to follow that Edie Brickell song anyway). My non-answer: It's one of those many WHY questions that science can never (or will have a very difficult time) answer, despite the fact that science has provided a foster role as a religion for some (I know some of these folks). The scientific method is just not very good at the whys - much better at the hows... It's a matter of faith then, eh? It would seem that the rules of the Universe imply an underlying intelligence and complexity of some type... the existence or non-existence of a grand engineer or puppetier I don't believe can be disproven (remember, the scientific method can only DISPROVE a hypothesis, never prove it)... quoting Edie's hubby: "I known what I know, I'll say what I have said."
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 10:25:06
Comments:
mWorld: Yeah, I know. Any recognition protocol is going to seem a bit ridiculous if scrutinized. Believe it or not, I tend to go to extremes to make a point. Hence the discussion 1 year in advance of the need.
DrMu: Is there a God?
Name: Monica L.
uptomyearswithallofthis
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 10:19:19
Comments:
Ihave had enough. This whole experience has left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I can't stomach any more. I feel as if I am getting the shaft, that this ugly matter has come to a head and blown up in my face.
This may be a load to handle, but when things are hard, that is when I am at my best. I have faced hard things in the past, and I know what is coming. I will meet the challenage the only way I know how: head-on. I have licked bigger things than this before, and I will again.
No one will ever be able to say that Monica Lewinsky isn't a finisher, that she quit before the job was done. I will work nonstop and fight this, blow by blow, until I am wiped clean of this dirty affair.
I will not be stained by it. Thank you,
Monica Lewinsky
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
greenflower.street
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 09:51:33
Comments:
Oleander: I'm still waitin' for that snail address...
LP
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
any.man.left.on.the.outer.banks.is.KOTW
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 09:50:03
Comments:
Among the books that I thought profound when I was in my late teens/early 20s was "Island" by Aldous Huxley. Re-read it in my early 30s, and found it somewhat lacking.
Thanks goodness Steely Dan holds up better than Huxley!
--LP
Name: Ren Mazzolo
ecs@dot.net.au
Location: Sydney, NSW Australia
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 04:43:12
Comments:
Great reading that "Muswellbrook" was in fact the Australian (NSW) town mentioned in "Black Friday".... I thought 'muzwellbrook' was some American place or whatever.. Here in Australia we pronounce it as 'musclebrook'.. anyway .. that was back in the '70's and here we are in the '90's... I have been reading "Reelin' in The Years" with great delight... Listening to SD tapes & CD's and really into "the story"... The great delight is the Denny Dias respect factor.. One of the finest guitarist of all time ... What's he doing these days?
Have Dan & Walter ever considered teaming up with another Dan.. Daniel Lanois???
Very interesting..
From a devoted Fan,
in sunny Australia
Regards
Ren
Name: Clas
living on default line
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 02:30:48
Comments:
Dear Sirs;
"Gift" (with a soft "g" like "j"), is the swedish word for "married". It also means "poison".
So, if one asks you in Swedish:
-Är du gift? It means two things: "Are you married" or "Are you poison".
Have to go, got to make that caribou run.
Name: Schwinn
luckystar
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 23:41:44
Comments:
Doc Mu: "One way to escape the problem of "a beginning" was a steady-state universe that is eternal, unchanging--yet always expanding. To keep it thus, new atoms, new stars, new galaxies must constantly be created to fill the gaps formed by expansion. The elements of such cosmology, namely, the continuous creation of matter, had been proposed by Sir James Jeans in 1941. It was fully formulated in 1958 by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and (in a seperate paper) Fred Hoyle."
Walter Sullivan"Black Holes: The Edge of Space, The End of Time"
(Once you mentioned it, I just couldn't get that beautiful Hubble image of the Eagle Nebula out of my mind. There are many nurseries out there, yes?)
SEMB
Name: Gap
bettingthreeno
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 23:06:11
Comments:
Mr. Scam: Nice cover on the astrology/astronomy thing. My number game was never intended to be revellatory. See how easily you got it? Thanks for proving my point. Next stop: The integers Sagan never got to.
Dr. Mu: Yes, I am familiar with morphic resonance. And the Phoenecians had nothing on the Sumerians. Can I assume a dormful of coeds will automatically establish their own "periodicity"? No wonder the Perseids were so anticlimactic.
Spinning,Gap
Name: DrMu
walk a tropical mile
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 21:20:04
Comments:
Holy Shit! Under 100° and Rain! Our alkaline
city water heavy with sodium had been killing our foliage
despite feeding with iron.RD: "True Companion" is a gorgeous song Donald Fagen
recorded for the movie soundtrack "Heavy Metal" circa 1981.
HM was re-released as as CD last year. You can also find a re-masterd version on Steely Dan "Gold - Expanded Edition."NY TIMES: After driving like a fool to the Pharmacy, the popping 60 mg of Prozac I suddenly felt great sympathy for the researchers. Imagine wasting months of your
time and coming up with this pablum. Better catch the men in
the white coats as they dive from the 14th floor. Hey, any
takers on a market free-f(or)all tomorrow?Gap: Did you know the Phoenicians developed a good bit of algebra (and geometry, too)? They lived in now Lebanon and
were the "Ferengi" of the ancient Mediterranean. These were essential to sail to Carthage, Athens, Crete, Rome, etc. They used these talents to sail around the Mediterranean and
to trade. It always helps if you are better at math than those you are bartering with (pawn your crown and buy uptown).Schwinn: Indeed, the heavens clock our time. Just ask a dorm-full of coeds. We left lengths to the gout-ridden kings
and their feet, thumbs, armspans, and horse pastures.
Thank goodness they were not more inbred or we would be using base 12! I'd have to use my ears besides my fingers and toes!Oleander Medicine Woman: Order/Disorder or Complexity can follow strange patterns, doesn't it. The more order an EKG is, generally the healthies the patient. A more disordered or complex pattern is bad news: PVCs, fibrillation. On the other hand a more ordered EEG (brain waves) is representative of a seizure. Superficially, a more complex or disordered looking (raw) pattern is a sign of healthy brain function. We humans have gotten pretty good at finding "signal" in what appears to be "noise." Those dreaded Fourier and other transforms can distinguish the contribution of different frequencies (alpha, beta, delta, etc.). It's probable that a lot (but certainly not all) of what appears to be random noise in the Universe is not - they are
just complex functions we (scientists and/or the citizenry) haven't figured out yet.
Name: TheStranger
i know that times must change
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 12:09:34
Comments:
eviva,
no, actually, though i read the middle part of 'lost in the cosmos,' it all went past me. it was incomprehensible. but the bread around the sandwich was some of the best i've tasted. on percy's fiction, seems to me that much of it is about an old, depressed alcoholic from a moneyed, southern family who eventually turns his life around with a woman half his age. same plot repeating itself in more than one book. d'ja notice?
Name: Rose Darling
@omigod what am I doing here in Florida?
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 11:46:18
Comments:
When is a study going to be done on the psychological effects of reading a psychological study with conclusions like that?
I think I am getting depressed now.Doing my best countzirO imitation:
"If a man applies Tao to himself, his virtue will be genuine;
If he applies it to his family, his virtue will be abundant;
If he applies it to his village, his virtue will be lasting;
If he applies it to his nation, his virtue will be complete;
If he applies it to the world, his virtue will be universal.
Therefore, by his person he may observe persons;
by his family he may observe families;
by his village he may observe villages;
by his country he may observe countries;
And by his world he may observe worlds."Taoist Scriptures
Tao Te Ching
Name: countzir0
multiply, then add infinitum
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 11:44:48
Comments:
Things to watch on Sunday morning television: The Wierd Al Yankovic Show, Lord Jeffery Archer helping the media commemorate the 1 year anniversary of Princess Diana's death(can't they let Di Die??), Church TV.
New York Times: After channel-surfing a most depressing array of programs this morning, and then reading your post, I realized that yes, I am a very depressed person, especially since going on line and meeting my new "cyberfriends." I just now slit both my wrists, swilled back half a bottle of sleeping pills with a Drano chaser, and am thinking about.,,,aaaaaaaaaaaall.......m mcxaas pppppppppppmkkkkkkallllkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkklsfdka''''''''ffffffffffffffffffffffngf...........
Name: Mayor Rudy
would make a great Xmas gift
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 08:10:44
Comments:
Rose D ,Glad to hear your vacation went well. You have a real United Nations outlook, and have great outreach qualities, We can use a man of your capabilities in our Metro-Reach out program. Fax me your resume, I was at Barnes-Noble and spotted the Pychotic Minstreel`s new release enititled Some Things I Think I Think, no doubt it should make him plenty of Piastras . He`ll have no excuses now, not to seek professional help.
Name: Roy.Scam
type.O.typo
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:34:58
Comments:
Doc: I of course meant to say "rookie astronomer" rather than "astrologer", but , as I view this site as a synergistic merger of the scientific and the supernatural/religious/superstitious, I've decided to let the misprint stand. It's my typing error and I'm sticking with it.
Name: Roy.Scam
the.chubby.chef.in.equality
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:18:35
Comments:
gap: Quick, get Newton and Fibonacci on the seance phone! You just illustrated that x squared + x +1 = (x+1) squared.
Doc Mu: As the rookie astrologist said, "Twenty years of schoolin' and they put you on the redshift."
Clas: Be grateful to be asparagus-like. I'm usually mistaken for some cabbage.
New York Times: That's why we need more Danfests; so that the emptiness of liking people that we haven't seen (and can't baby sit for us) doesn't elevate our all-important depression index.-- The article also is an exposition of the reasons Psych majors are usually kept in separate dorms and social circles and end up 20 years later wishing they had been Home Economics majors.
maj: Da' Tooobs. S'a beauty, eh? Weren't we recently reminiscing about their appearances on SCTV and in Playboy magazine?
My opinion on the Josie thing: Did not Rome burn once (while Nero fiddled, as I recall)? Well, if you're in a burning city and it gets to the point where your eyes are on fire, you're probably doing some pretty intense praying. It's just a metaphor for passion and immediacy. Or maybe they meant she 'preys' like a Roman; they were rather brutal and imperialistic, you know.
SEMB: An improved second-generation hydrogen atom? Wow. That's the coolest thing Hoyle said since "Don't draw to an inside straight."
Peg: I'm slow and semi-literate even at low altitudes. (Comes from having to read so much non-fiction). But I think Mark Twain would be pissed if I didn't mention that Huck Finn was probably the greatest novel ever written.
And the best thing about getting old is that I can look forward to seeing what I had to say on the Guestbook.
RS
Name: EvivaLaughs
at the New York Times
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:11:40
Comments:
NY Times: Thanks for sharing...I'll force myself to be depressed for fifteen minutes today in your honor :).
Oleander: You're right; I shouldn'ta done that :( --Please don't let that stop you from reading "Lost" though..If you liked "Moviegoer" you'll love it too. Since you're a doc too I think all of Percy would appeal to you--(BTW thanks for the compliment :) )
Stranger: That's me, just a tango-maniac..I did take Percy's own advice though, and skipped the middle section of "Lost in the Cosmos" after skimming through a few paragraphs of that second section on semiotics (sp?). (You must be a lot smarter than I am; I could hardly understand it at all) The first and third sections were what hooked me on Percy. You and Oleander are right on about "Moviegoer," and I liked "Love in the Ruins" even better--
Rose: Welcome back! :) Glad you enjoyed your vacation--
Name: Gap
dashdot
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 02:06:26
Comments:
Ooops--the guestbook ate my homework. Please insert the following in the last post's appropriate place.
4 x 4 = 16
4 + 5 = 9
9 + 16 = 255 x 5 = 25
Name: Gap
dotdash
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 01:58:42
Comments:
Ziro & Doc M: Speaking of the Fibonacci numbers, here's the first kiss of algebra:
2 x 2 = 4
2 + 3 = 5
4 + 5 = 93 x 3 = 9
3 + 4 = 7
7 + 9 = 1616 + 9 = 25
4 + 5 = 9
9 + 16 = 255 x 5 = 25
5 + 6 = 11
11 + 25 = 366 x 6 = 36
6 + 7 = 13
13 + 36 = 497 x 7 = 49
(ad infintum...)
Name: Schwinn
bookofthemonth
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 01:07:24
Comments:
Zeke: I've seen Junior play a Telecaster, National and a Strat. Was it shiny or really small? (My favorite is Junior High...)
Oleander: So glad you caught my drift.
New York Times: Damn! The Early Adopters always take the heat!
Dr. Mu: The thing one forgets is that all units of measure are based on star/moon/planetary motion. The Mayan calendar, with its "20" based numeric system, exactly mimics the 56 year Jupiter/Saturn conjunctive cycle. Likewise, the "12" based astrology of the Chinese Zodiac mirrors the 12 year orbit of Jupiter around our local star. (That's why their zodiacal signs, i.e., Tiger for example, applys to an entire year rather than a 30 day period as in Western Astrology.) Our numbers work well enough here on the fringe of the Milky Way, but applying them beyond the Oort Cloud is questionable at best. Even Hoyle knows the original Hydrogen atom is not to be confused with the one we know today.
Stranger: Is it true you're being replaced with "Ellen"?
Cool in Texas,SEMB
Name: The New York Times
this is depressing
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 23:30:09
Comments:
August 30, 1998
Researchers Find Sad, Lonely World in
CyberspaceBy AMY HARMON
In the first concentrated study of the social and psychological effects of
Internet use at home, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have
found that people who spend even a few hours a week online experience
higher levels of depression and loneliness than they would have if they
used the computer network less frequently.Those participants who were lonelier and more depressed at the start of
the two-year study, as determined by a standard questionnaire
administered to all the subjects, were not more likely to use the Internet.
Instead, Internet use itself appeared to cause a decline in psychological
well-being, the researchers said.The results of the $1.5 million project
ran completely contrary to
expectations of the social scientists
who designed it and to many of the
organizations that financed the study.
These included technology companies
like Intel Corp., Hewlett Packard, AT&T Research and Apple
Computer, as well as the National Science Foundation."We were shocked by the findings, because they are counterintuitive to
what we know about how socially the Internet is being used," said Robert
Kraut, a social psychology professor at Carnegie Mellon's Human
Computer Interaction Institute. "We are not talking here about the
extremes. These were normal adults and their families, and on average,
for those who used the Internet most, things got worse."The Internet has been praised as superior to television and other "passive"
media because it allows users to choose the kind of information they want
to receive, and often, to respond actively to it in the form of e-mail
exchanges with other users, chat rooms or electronic bulletin board
postings.Research on the effects of watching television indicates that it tends to
reduce social involvement. But the new study, titled "HomeNet," suggests
that the interactive medium may be no more socially healthy than older
mass media. It also raises troubling questions about the nature of "virtual"
communication and the disembodied relationships that are often formed in
the vacuum of cyberspace.Participants in the study used inherently social features like e-mail and
Internet chat more than they used passive information gathering like
reading or watching videos. But they reported a decline in interaction with
family members and a reduction in their circles of friends that directly
corresponded to the amount of time they spent online.At the beginning and end of the two-year study, the subjects were asked
to agree or disagree with statements like "I felt everything I did was an
effort," and "I enjoyed life" and "I can find companionship when I want it."
They were also asked to estimate how many minutes each day they spent
with each member of their family and to quantify their social circle. Many
of these are standard questions in tests used to determine psychological
health.For the duration of the study, the subjects' use of the Internet was
recorded. For the purposes of this study, depression and loneliness were
measured independently, and each subject was rated on a subjective
scale. In measuring depression, the responses were plotted on a scale of
0 to 3, with 0 being the least depressed and 3 being the most depressed.
Loneliness was plotted on a scale of 1 to 5.By the end of the study, the researchers found that one hour a week on
the Internet led, on average, to an increase of .03, or 1 percent, on the
depression scale, a loss of 2.7 members of the subject's social circle,
which averaged 66 people, and an increase of .02, or four-tenths of 1
percent, on the loneliness scale.The subjects exhibited wide variations in all three measured effects, and
while the net effects were not large, they were statistically significant in
demonstrating deterioration of social and psychological life, Kraut said.Based on these data, the researchers
hypothesize that relationships maintained over
long distances without face-to-face contact
ultimately do not provide the kind of support and
reciprocity that typically contribute to a sense of
psychological security and happiness, like being
available to baby-sit in a pinch for a friend, or to grab a cup of coffee."Our hypothesis is there are more cases where you're building shallow
relationships, leading to an overall decline in feeling of connection to other
people," Kraut said.The study tracked the behavior of 169 participants in the Pittsburgh area
who were selected from four schools and community groups. Half the
group was measured through two years of Internet use, and the other half
for one year. The findings will be published this week by The American
Psychologist, the peer-reviewed monthly journal of the American
Psychological Association.Because the study participants were not randomly selected, it is unclear
how the findings apply to the general population. It is also conceivable
that some unmeasured factor caused simultaneous increases in use of the
Internet and decline in normal levels of social involvement. Moreover, the
effect of Internet use varied depending on an individual's life patterns and
type of use. Researchers said that people who were isolated because of
their geography or work shifts might have benefited socially from Internet
use.Even so, several social scientists familiar with the study vouched for its
credibility and predicted that the findings would probably touch off a
national debate over how public policy on the Internet should evolve and
how the technology itself might be shaped to yield more beneficial effects."They did an extremely careful scientific study, and it's not a result that's
easily ignored," said Tora Bikson, a senior scientist at Rand, the research
institution. Based in part on previous studies that focused on how local
communities like Santa Monica, Calif., used computer networks to
enhance civic participation, Rand has recommended that the federal
government provide e-mail access to all Americans."It's not clear what the underlying psychological explanation is," Ms.
Bikson said of the study. "Is it because people give up day-to-day contact
and then find themselves depressed? Or are they exposed to the broader
world of Internet and then wonder, 'What am I doing here in Pittsburgh?'
Maybe your comparison standard changes. I'd like to see this replicated
on a larger scale. Then I'd really worry."Christine Riley, a psychologist at Intel Corp., the giant chip manufacturer
that was among the sponsors of the study, said she was surprised by the
results but did not consider the research definitive."For us, the point is there was really no information on this before," Ms.
Riley said. "But it's important to remember this is not about the
technology, per se; it's about how it is used. It really points to the need for
considering social factors in terms of how you design applications and
services for technology."The Carnegie Mellon team -- which included Sara Kiesler, a social
psychologist who helped pioneer the study of human interaction over
computer networks; Tridas Mukophadhyay, a professor at the graduate
business school who has examined computer mediated communication in
the workplace; and William Scherlis, a research scientist in computer
science -- stressed that the negative effects of Internet use that they found
were not inevitable.For example, the main focus of Internet use in schools has been gathering
information and getting in touch with people from far-away places. But the
research suggests that maintaining social ties with people in close physical
proximity could be more psychologically healthy."More intense development and deployment of services that support
pre-existing communities and strong relationships should be encouraged,"
the researchers write in their forthcoming article. "Government efforts to
wire the nation's schools, for example, should consider online homework
sessions for students rather than just online reference works."At a time when Internet use is expanding rapidly -- nearly 70 million adult
Americans are on line, according to Nielsen Media Research -- social
critics say the technology could exacerbate the fragmentation of U.S.
society or help to fuse it, depending on how it is used."There are two things the Internet can turn out to be, and we don't know
yet which it's going to be," said Robert Putnam, a political scientist at
Harvard University whose forthcoming book, "Bowling Alone," which is
to be published next year by Simon & Schuster, chronicles the alienation
of Americans from each other since the 1960s. "The fact that I'm able to
communicate daily with my collaborators in Germany and Japan makes
me more efficient, but there are a lot of things it can't do, like bring me
chicken soup."Putnam added, "The question is how can you push computer mediated
communication in a direction that would make it more community
friendly."Perhaps paradoxically, several participants in the Internet study expressed
surprise when they were informed of the study's conclusions by a
reporter."For me it's been the opposite of depression; it's been a way of being
connected," said Rabbi Alvin Berkun, who used the Internet for a few
hours a week to read The Jerusalem Post and communicate with other
rabbis across the country.But Berkun said his wife did not share his enthusiasm for the medium.
"She does sometimes resent when I go and hook up," he said, adding
after a pause, "I guess I am away from where my family is while I'm on
the computer." Another possibility is that the natural human preference for
face-to-face communication may provide a self-correcting mechanism to
the technology that tries to cross it.The rabbi's daughter, Rebecca, 17, said she had spent a fair amount of
time in teen-age chat rooms at the beginning of the survey in 1995."I can see how people would get depressed," Ms. Berkun said. "When
we first got it, I would be on for an hour a day or more. But I found it was
the same type of people, the same type of things being said. It got kind of
old."
Related Sites
Following are links to the external Web sites mentioned in this article. These sites
are not part of The New York Times on the Web, and The Times has no control
over their content or availability. When you have finished visiting any of these
sites, you will be able to return to this page by clicking on your Web browser's
"Back" button or icon until this page reappears.HomeNet Project
Human-Computer Interaction Institute, School of Computer
Science, Carnegie Mellon UniversityAmerican Psychologist
Name: TheStranger
a special lack of grace
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 23:16:31
Comments:
rose darling,
i admit it. you're a bright babe. what's the difference between a cult and a religion? a religion is a cult that achieved success. their chief dingbat holy man then becomes a respected & revered icon. ratings, kid. it's all about ratings.
Name: critic
excellent book
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 22:38:39
Comments:
Shibumi, by Trevanian
Name: Zeke
spike@eatel.net
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 21:31:07
Comments:
Earth: Where Y'at? Sounds like a good time. The Doobies are scheduled to play 2 shows at a casino in Biloxi. Whaaa?
What the hell is that guitar called that Jr. Brown plays. It's kinda cool. I'd like to see it in Jeff Beck's hands. I'm making plans for the Telluride festival in June '99. Saw Marcia Ball last night @ HOB's. Awesome! I saw the Doobs at the Jazz Fest this year,
Michael was heavy into the Alan Toussaint show.Jive: Right on. Gaucho freakin' rules. I can't wait for the CD and the tour, Maybe the band will pass thru the Big Easy.
There's a new arena across from the Super Dome, it should be a great place to play.
Late.
Name: peg
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 21:02:35
Comments:
Hey Oleander - I was hoping you'd post before I placed my Amazon order. Thanks!
Name: oleander
double helix in the sky tonight
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 20:49:15
Comments:
Stranger--Thanx for the dr. joke, I think. Fortunately, I'm not a surgeon, so I can snigger. The only Percy I've read so far is Moviegoer, which was terrific. When I get off my Pynchon jag, I'll start back on him. Right on about Rand--sorry, YGK. And I LOVE BC--where did you go?
Mu--Your description of entropy as "serene disorder" was perfect. Actually, entropy is one of Pynchon's themes in V., Slow Learner, and Gravity's Rainbow, and he aptly points out that it is not really the inexorable drive to DISorder, but to the ultimate order--complete homeostasis, when all the energy has diffused completely and there is no longer any movement. BTW, ditto on Gadd. Man, you can even make playing with your food into an incredible scientific adventure. I envy your kids.
Eviva--Damn! I hate when people give away the end!
fezo--uh, did I tell you that I moonlight as a bartender?
Schwinn--are you angling for a kinder, gentler universe?
Count--from the double helix to the nebula, it's there for all to see.
YGK--see above. There are many definitions of "heroic," and unnumbered places more interesting than Rand's work to find it. And approval by the NYT BR doesn't guide my reading, though I love to read it.
Jive--Hey man, welcome back. Right on re Gaucho. One of the main things that helped carry me through med school.
Caveman--That was lovely. Really.
Peg--don't go yet! Good vacation reads: any of Tony Hillerman's Chee/ Leaphorn mysteries. Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Toole's Confederacy of Dunces (I know, I know, I'm getting monotonous). Gloria Naylor's Mama Day. Any of Louise Erdrich's and Michael Dorris' books, starting with Love Medicine. Pynchon's Crying of Lot 49, or the short stories, Slow Learner. There's one story in the latter, The Secret Integration, which will knock your socks off. Card's Ender's Game or Songmaster. Gibson's Neuromancer. Ondaatje's English Patient. How long did you say you have?
Name: countzir0
From ravenous delight to perfunctory blight,,,.
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 17:55:00
Comments:
Rose: Welcome back, Darlin. Didn't mean to embarass you, just following thru with my promises. Oh, and you just HAD to get me back with the "don't quit your day job" thing. WELL....you did compliment me in the following sentence, so I GUESS I forgive you. Good to see you back, and as you can see, nothing's changed here in the GB. It seems that some of our regular posters have retreated to anonymous names, but the same quips, insults, slurs abound as usual.
Dr. Mu: Don't you think it interesting that the equation occurs not only in biological situations, but in non-biological situations also? My feeble mind finds it perplexing....if you read that site that I mentioned earlier you find that artists, musicians, architects have possibly used The Golden Mean in their works. Names of note are Stradivarius, Da Vinci, Mozart, Durer. Some of it seems to be a bit of a stretch, however...
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecriser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 16:56:13
Comments:
Peg....it's not too heavy but for a good ghost/love story try Stephen King's new one, Bag of Bones.
for non-fiction that'll scare the hell out of you but get you thinking The Hot Zone just came out in paperback. The ebola virus was right here with us but we got lucky.
Enjoy your vacation!
Name: Rose Darling
@Not The We Are the World Guestbook
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 15:13:50
Comments:
Back from Connecticut. My sister in law has been appropriately bon voyaged into her forties. Lucky her, looking as good at forty as many women will never look at twenty five.
I go away for a week, and when I come back, I should have brought a physics degree or metaphysics degree or whatthef@#k degree with me or what??? Guess I'm the only junior college graduate in THIS crowd. As far as the Big Bang goes, it's about to happen to my head...
Thanks to all who made it easy for me to scroll quickly through several posts I could never fathom... caught me up quicker !Don't worry Peg, MY brain processing unit has less in the hard drive than yours ! Have a bueno vez en Mexico !
Despite its psychotic and vile content, I must admit that I actually liked the original (as well as the latest) P. Minstel's poem for its form and flow and conveying of wretched emotion. So sue me ! ( But don't use fezo as I'm sure he knows his stuff.) If taking a walk on the dark side could be limited to only exploring it in words, perhaps Minstrel's poem wouldn't offend so. Seems there is always an argument in this GB going on around intention vs. action...
YGK:
Applauding your post to Peg defending the content of Rand.Jive Miguel: Welcome back???
Nice to meetcha. Glad to see someone capable of writing paragraphs for easy comprehension ! Thanks for deflating my head (this IS meant as a compliment.)Stranger:
Glad you're still around. Curiously, using your definition, does this mean we GBers are also cultists then?CountzirO:
AW MAN now you've gone and done it and got me all embarrassed like in front of all these nice people !!!
(((((((((((((((((dabbing tears)))))))))))))))))))) Nice poetic serenade.
Liked the Alfalfa-Darla ending. Keep your day job, though. Also liked your choice of words describing Fagen's voice.Eviva:
I have no tan to speak of to post here. But thanks for the warm words said about me posts and posts ago...Dr. Mu: I do agree with points you made on Aug. 20th. However.. If I was to go back and scroll through a million posts and read what Clas did in the past, as you suggest, what am I supposed to do about it now, in your humble opinion? Should an Anti-Clas Alliance be enacted? Would you like police intervention? In other words, can someone sum up what the point of the crusade is please (leave out any physics) ? And should there be a death penalty for flame mail as well?
Anyone:
What is the True Companion to which you refer?
Name: DrMu
ahundredgrand
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 13:49:24
Comments:
Countzir0112358132134... Thanks for the ref.
Forgot about old Senore Fibonacci. Those Fibonacci numbers are one of a number of mathematical series commonly expressed
in nature (here you add the last number and the previous number together to get the next number). It's kind of a
logarithmic scale which is distinct from the natural
log (ln) scale often expressed in biological systems
(it's similar that Fibonacci in that it's related to repetitive addition or a series) which involves doubling or halving of a quantity or concentration. Hey, I just tried
making concentric circles of grapes with my 3 year old
son and we came up with this series:1,6,12,19,27...
get it?
Name: countzir0
@hangin' out with my friend Soma
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 12:28:47
Comments:
To anyone who cares: Gibson was on "Strange Universe" last nite for about half a minute; an end of the week show to get everyone riled up for a large segment appearing on next week's Monday evening show. It seems that a new cult calling themselves "Cyberpunks" are hailing him as their leader. Imagine that--a Steely Dan fanatic has become a cult leader. Stranger things have happened...
Dr. Mu: No, that's not what I'm talking about. Just check this shit out--http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html
it's a pretty good site on the subject of Fibonacci numbers. You ever seen the spiral shape in conch shells? Well, it seems that the same equation occurs in galaxies thousands of light years away. Some say it's the fingerprint of a higher being...I'm not sure if I subscribe to that or not, but it's definitely interesting as hell to read about.
Stranger: I started reading Rand when I was about seventeen. Finished "Fountainhead" and "Anthem" and found them somewhat inspiring at such a naive and unworldly age. Tried reading "Atlas Shrugged" a few years later and found it about exciting as a package of Sominex. And Stephen King's books tend to make me run to the medicine cabinet for my Immodium-AD. That's why I've decided to stick with Soma...
Geena: Now, where are you?? Vacation?
Name: deacondave
2ndhandbooks.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 11:28:12
Comments:
Peg: (my vote for vacation read) If you'd like to let your mind take a vacation too, try some of John D. MacDonald's works. Travis McGee is the best. They are in the genre of cheap detecive novels, but there is something about them that makes them stand head and shoulders above most of the others. They're getting a little hard to find. But if you do find a cache, and you haven't read them all already, grab an armload, because the adventures of Salvage Consultant McGee are perfect vacation fodder. And you can read one in an afternoon.
Name: KOKOPELLI
I am many things, to many peoples.
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 08:13:20
Comments:
OF themultitde of miscellaneous drawings,paintings and scratchings on the rocks and in the caves of the pre-Columbian people of the Southwest ,only one anthropomorphic subject can claim both an identity and a proper name as well as gender.Without question ,that figure is definitely male. My frequent and widespread appearance on pottery and pictography suggest that i was well travelled and a universally recognized diety of considerable potentcy. I am the personification of legend ,a beneficent God to some and a confounded nuisance to others. I am KOKOPELLI, the famous hunchedback flute player the Kilroy of Hohokam, a rain God, I am thousands of years old but figuratively speaking very much in the present. You can see and feel my presence in Arizona and Utah ,which are a lot closer than Spain.....
Name: Mayor Rudy
City Dweller not Cave Dweller
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 07:36:14
Comments:
Caveman, i`m familar with that cave , I know it is in Spain,I`m not sure what provence it`s in, i heard the drawings were still in good shape, Have you ever heard of KOKOPELLI casanova of the Cliff Dwellers ? Hint he is pictured as a hunchedbacked flute player.
Name: Outre Daniel
Steele@ILY.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 05:24:45
Comments:
Peg-
If your still taking book requests and are thinking seriously about Ayn Rand, may I suggest a book called Anthem. Although The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are viewed as her masterworks, (and rightfully so) it is probably best to acquaint ones self with Miss Rand and her Philosophy of Objectivism through this, her first novel. For one thing, it is easily 1/5th the size of Atlas.. or The Fountainhead, an easy read for someone of your obvious intellect. ("gas chromatographs with ultra sensitive separation capabilities" indeed) On a very simple level it is the story of two people risking everything to be together. If you don't wish to read anymore into it than that, it may be a fine choice for vegging on the beach with a drink in one hand and a three year old in the other. On the other hand, anything even potentially thought provoking, might be more than your vacationing brain will accept. Perhaps a Harlequin Romance or a Grisham excursion would more suit your ticket. (Hey sometimes a Quarter Pounder Extra Value Meal hits a spot that Steak Diane will never know.)Brief disclaimer: The last time I read Rand I was much younger, practically devoid of responsibility, and intensely idealistic. Maybe the Monkees were the great philostophers (sic) of our time. Remember "Shades of Gray?"
O.D.
Name: GB Caveman
@beyond the garden wall
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 03:49:18
Comments:
"See the glory": thank U, i didn't know about those 2 websites...
Name: RubyBaby
we love St.@l
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 23:04:29
Comments:
Peg: I hope I'm not too late - my book suggestion to you is:
I Was Amelia Earheart, by Jane Menndelsohn. It's poetic, but not boring. It's such a damn cool story. And you can drink Margaritas and still enjoy it! The first line is, "The sky is flesh..."Dr.Mu: I can picture you in your corvette-house (red) in the middle of a hurricane, with your fine sound system cranking out TOM and some smooth blended whiskey (not too much, just enough to stay comfortable) while she rages on and on. You laugh and ride it out in style, baby. Then you write a scientific paper about it ( a real snoozer) but you win the coveted Neils Bohr Award in physics. Then come the endorsements...
rb
Name: Alley Oop
scratchingmyloincloth
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 21:06:26
Comments:
Caveman: Those aren't drawings at all. They are early "airbrush" renderings. The artist filled the space between his cheek and gum with red ochre and "spit" the pigment on the cave walls. We know this because the artist almost always signed his work with an outline of his hand. The diffusion evident in the spray pattern around his hand lead to this discovery. Also, it's been duplicated by the researcher who postulated it. Very cool. Think he can do some flames on Schwinn's gas tank?
Climbing the Garden Wall,
Oop
Name: Ayn Rand
@Atlas Bugged
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 21:01:37
Comments:
Stranger and YGK:
Now now boys. It's not NICE to try to fool...Mother NATE-CHAHHH!!!
Name: Big Fan
late@nite
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 20:56:24
Comments:
Peggy,
Have a nice trip south of the border.
My favorite author since Tolkien and CS lewis died is anything by the Canadian author Charles deLint, esp. his earlier works. He writes urban fantasy stuff now and is quite an accomplished musician. He is also very female friendly in his portrails of hero(ines). If you are so inclined by that sort of thing. I see Steven King at some U of Maine womens bball games from time to time - my generic US favorite for horror esp his Drawing of the Three series. Not much on content, but fun to read. Have always loved John Irving. You know he really is/was a very good wrestler.I hear the dogs they have working at the border now are geneticaly engineered so be careful with what you carry.
Name: See the glory
enscribed in sand
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 20:36:07
Comments:
read
http://www.clark.net/pub/jumpsam/jewels/altamira.htmand
look
http://www.unesco.org//whc/sites/310.htm
Name: GB Caveman
I hide inside a hall of rock and sand
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 19:36:13
Comments:
OK, since this is poetry week on the GB, i get to ask for feedback on this. Wrote it awhile ago after 1st hearing "Altamira," Looking up the word i found out there's only ONE actual cave w/ drawings in Altamira, which the Dan obviously knew...those 2 just blow me away.
requesting honest feedback...yah, i'm a coward, but it lets you be honest too. mayor and psycho hereby disqualified.
The Caves of AltamiraThese ancient colored drawings underground
Recall our other firelit gardens' gold
Where twice we scrawled on walls and later found
Some innocence seemed just too hard to hold
Name: TheStranger
no more pain & no regrets
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:44:22
Comments:
jive miguel,
welcome back. just returned from b.c. myself and yeah, with u.s. dollars it was cheap. were you one of those native boys carrying around my safari equipment out in the bush? sorry i forgot to leave a tip. i got so dreadfully busy swilling gin and shooting elephants.
Name: DrMu
theyjustkeeppullin'meback
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:28:25
Comments:
Jive: Welcome back! What's your source. Gaucho is an
album of clever songs (how about the ones that didn't make it) with awesome arrangements, and impeccable engineering. It's picky but I'd like to hear the album remixed and Wendell nixed...Gadd on all songs.
Name: DrMu
Imissedmycue
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:22:54
Comments:
Schwinn: as the great ones sang: "...any MINOR
world that breaks apart falls together agai - hain" The last
word must be sung as 2 syllables
Name: TheStranger
think i don't see that ditch out in the valley?
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:22:04
Comments:
peg,
rand fans are cultists. and like all cultists, when someone points out that they're devoting themselves to bullshit, they contend that only they are smart enough to get it. rand played one fucking note over and over. you've got to be nuts or have access to better dope than i do to dig that note.ykg, listen, of course i don't resent your reading rand. i just resent your recommending her without at least warning the recomendee that she was a boring, tendentious, loudmouthed nut who thought it serves orphans right if they starve. might as well just listen to that chubby right-wing tv-radio fuck with the ugly ties. same difference.
hmm, what's with all the black holes and stuff?
Name: Jive Miguel
bstevens@sd22.bc.ca
Location: Vernon, BC Canada
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:06:37
Comments:
Greetings and saluatations one and all! I have been away from this remarkable page for about 1 year and am anxious to get caught up on the latest ramblings. I hear that the new album is about 4-6 months from release (as long as no tracks are "accidentally" erased) and that a summer of '99 tour is in the works and will include, once again, a visit to the Pacific Northwest, including Canada! The way our dollar is doing right now, anyone of you Yankees could sojourn north for a Steely weekend and it would cost you about $5 american (not quite, but you get the picture!)
Anyhow, one observation I have had of late is how universally Gaucho is labelled by critics as a poor SD effort, generally citing how the album is too slick, too smooth, in general, too boring. Bullshit! Gaucho is one of the finest albums ever written, performed, produced and engineered by anyone and is a far greater finished product than any group has produced in recent memory and certainly far better than anything that has ever come out of the UK (and that obviously includes the Stones and the Beatles).
Everyone has their own tastes and preferences (thank God) but who are these critics kidding? Themselves??? I truly think that music critics have a love/hate relationship with SD's body of work: Loving how much they enjoy "reviewing" these pieces of art, but hating how much it reminds them of their own inadequacies as musicians and as creative performers/artists!
Steely Dan produced a body of work second to none in the realm of popular music and the sheer idea that two "street-types" from NY/NJ that never gave in to "popular-pressures" were solely responsible sends chills up the spines of all music "critics"!
Tough shit! Get over your own problems and weaknesses, Steely Dan is/was the greatest popular music "group" of all time!
Just a thought
Jive!
Name: DrMu
dazedattheduderanch
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:05:34
Comments:
Countziro: “...same mathematical spiral recurs in galaxies, seashells, and budding flowers and leaves.” may be referring to the complex mathematics concept of fractals. In “chaos” or better complexity theory, fractals are constructs of order which emerge from the complex signals (often mis-interpreted as “noise”) on repeated patterns with increasing or decreasing levels (such as size). For example, the geometry of twigs coming off a small branch of an oak tree is similar, but just smaller in scale, than large branches protruding from the trunk. There are a number of similar examples in the body including the branching of arteries --> arterioles --> capillaries and the branching of airways in the lungs from the trachea down to the alveoli (air sacs). Comples numbers are expressed as: a + b•i where a and b are real numbers and i=the square root of -1 (don’t blow up your calculators trying that!). The product of b•i is and “imaginary number.” Solving problems which involve comples numbers is a real pain in the ass for a human (i’ve managed to avoid doing this for the past 15 years and am damn proud of it), but a breeze for a computer as solving such non-sense involves numerous “iterations” or repetitions. The problem with this non-sense is that it turned out to be a great model for many natural phenomenon including weather (all the computer models at NWS use this now). Michael Chrichton does a good job (well as far as I can tell) in explaining chaos or complexity theory through the Malcolm character in the Juraissic Park series.
Schwinn: You’ve raised some interesting points, the answers to most of which are way beyond my comprehension, but I won’t let that stop me from throwing in my 2 piasters. Ther is some thought that black holes may be some kind of “wormhole.” But there’s no telling what the state of matter or when or where one would be upon emerging.
There is some empirical evidence, but not absolute proof of dark matter - Einstein believed in it. What it means I’m not sure. This part of astronomy is a real forensic science heavily dependent on some empirical data, mathematical theories, extrapolation, and ddeductive reasoning (like Sherlock Holmes). One of the coolest things I’ve seen out of the Hubble is the emergence of new stars from gas in Nebulae. The patterns appear to be fractal in nature to me. This flies in the face of the Hoyle theorem at least at the “local” space level. Order out of disorder.
Your diffusion theory also relies on the thought that entropy or increasing disorder is the primary drive in the Universe. Diffusion, by the way has to do with molecules posessing enough kinetic energy,directly related to the temperature, mo move, vibrate and bounce around. Will all the bouncing eventually just by “random walk” molecules will on average re-distribute themselves from higher concentrations to lower concentrations. However, this only happens is a “vaccum” or by itself only in a teaching lab setting (i.e., in a container).
In the real world , these things are subject to mass movement (like blood moving in a vessel), geometry, heat and other energy sources. The Universe over time (hell I can extrapolate too) seems to have become more not less complex, or should I say sophisticated, in many ways as heavier and more varied atoms have been formed over time (supposedly it all started with hydrogen and helium - we live on essentially an molten iron ball with a silicon crust), and the shape of the galaxies is more sophisticated. The same sould be said for evolution from simple to complex. Anyway, the point is that the Universe has an enormous and mysterious force for creating ordered and complex things and another force - entropy hoping for a serene disorder, but that will not happen, just as it doesn’t in life...Pretzel Logic indeed! yin vs. yang; God vs. devil?? Well, my neurons are shot for a while - time for golden slumbers.
Name: al bundy
@that's all husbands are good for, peg.
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 16:22:32
Comments:
Have fun in mexico Peg, I have to stay here and sell
overpriced "hoops" tennis shoes. Let me understand this
correctly, $200 bucks for tennis shoes, $20 bucks for
Steely Dan CD. Something smells here.
Name: psychotic minstrel
don't feel bad mayor...
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 15:21:03
Comments:
it'll be ok, Rudy boy, you still got your health, right?
Houdini-- neet hobby.
Name: mWorld
khillman@lightspeed.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 15:20:26
Comments:
Big Fan: If you're hanging out, drop me an email.
Doc: You're showing your age with those soundboard/backwards hat comments...pretty funny stuff, man.
Peg: I'm still on the Mountain Adventure kick, how's about "Seven Summits" By Dick Bass and Frank Wells, I'm enjoying it...you gonna look up Cuervo down there? I still have his address...
Murtha: Heard Patricia Barber? You'd like (I think), from Hoops windy city...
Clas: Sure...what do you need?
If Chinese music sets 'em free, they ought to try Chinese food for lunch...
-mW
Name: Mayor Rudy
Approval ratings
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 14:38:30
Comments:
Well Guest book, it looks like my popularity has deminished. Psycho is not impressed with my job performance, this is very troubling, i`m going to consider my options , and possible resignation before my self esteem is permanantly affected. trying to weather the storm while reading the Latest polls.
Name: YGK
..
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 13:00:48
Comments:
Peg: with all due respect for equal time, Rand was a philosopher first and novelist second - who basically promoted a philosophy of self-sufficiency, and who's novels contains heroic characters, the likes of whom many people have trouble reading about. Her novels were New York Times best-sellers back in the 50's and 60's (I think), and her works still draw a steady crowd of readers, even today.
many avid novel-readers who think short have trouble reading Rand who does write long and does in-depth studies of her characters and their ethical situations. These short-sighted readers also have difficulty reading anything heroic, as they cannot imagine anything heroic in today's world. Don't let the small minded keep you down, or, from reading NYTimes Book Reveiw approved, critically acclaimed work.
Name: Psycho you must be Houdini
@get to chillin'
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 11:44:06
Comments:
I was talking to an old friend of mine the other day, that
I hadn't seen for awhile and he asked what I'd been up to.
He says"So how have you been?"
"NOT BAD."
"What have you been doin with yourself?"
"Oh, I've found myself a new hobby."
"A hobby? What kind of hobby?"
"I keep psychos."
"You keep psychos? Where do you keep them?"
"In my house. Where did you think?"
"In your house?" Right here he looks a bit weirded out.
I said "I keep them in my cellar."
"IN YOUR CELLAR? Don't they try to hurt you?"
I said "Nope, I keep them in a closet in my cellar."
"IN A CLOSET! Don't they attack you when you open the door!"
I said " Don't be silly, I keep them in a freezer with a lid on it."
"With a lid on it? Don't they die?
So I told him, "Fuck'em it's only a hobbie."
Name: psychotic minstrel
thumbing the blood from my nose
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:58:44
Comments:
my deamons are my own, mayor. I have no interest in those of Manson, be he a cultist leader or a sexualy confused rock star. of poetics: if you recall (or just scroll down long enough) the earliest of my posts layed out my offer of competition and stated my willingness for you to "take the first swing" (ring a bell?) which, with a great many blustering words you agreed to. since then you have showed me nothing but prose and some kind of fantasy about your dick in my mouth. to be sure, I am as little impressed by you as you are by me.
Geena- I'm not sure if this means anything yet, but it came to me when I read your post. it is tragicly basic, but hey...
glory flies on dingy wings
found in the
stolen horde of conquest.
honor walks with
a stiffened back
to the gallows
built by pride.
history is but the
whim of man
who writes what
he percieves.
death is but the final
truth
which cannot be denied
Name: June
@I'd like to order something cool
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:24:09
Comments:
Cause the weather's so hot and so is this here guestbook.
How bout it fellas, buy a girl a drink?
Name: Monica Loo
BigGulp@Large.Net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:02:22
Comments:
hey Spikey! hey Goldie! Didja catch the brown and gold Valentino tie Big Boris wore for his televised interview today? That was one of the ones I gave him !!! I told him to wear that one for me on days when he has "the blues" !!! tell Mattie, okay? M
Name: peg
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:01:23
Comments:
Oh no, not the cia lab! They must have one of those new gas chromatographs with ultra sensitive separation capabilities. I wonder if the tech paid attention to any of those other peaks that must have come off. Man, you just can't get away with anything anymore!
Name: TheStranger
first let's get off this highway
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:51:10
Comments:
peg,
i sent to the cia lab for a surreptitiously collected sample of your brain tissue. among the findings was above average intelligence and a definite compatibility with 'lost in the cosmos.' but 'cosmos' contains a middle part on metaphysics percy actually recommends you skip which i should have skipped. for a good percy novel, try 'the moviegoer.' incidentally, the lab also found evidence of suspicious cannabis detrius which we will have to pursue further.with all due respect to crackpots, rand was a nut who made a good living espousing an insanely unforgiving right-wing philosophy in lengthy, lengthy books. bad novelists who write short are much better than bad novelists who write long. give her a pass.
eviva, you go for percy? you tango-maniac devil, you.
Name: peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:11:11
Comments:
Wow, thanks for all the recommendations. Keep 'em coming - I'll make a trip to the bookstore next week and load up my suitcase and... hey, I could end up with one heavy suitcase. That's OK, that's what husbands are for, right?
YGK: we're going to Ixtapa.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:03:48
Comments:
Peg: I recommend a truly inspirational tale - The Fountainhead, by Rand. Ciderhouse is Cool - Hotel New Hampshire ,*ahem* is 'Hooveresque'.
OK-what town in Mexico?
ygk
Name: countzir0
Fibonacci Say: Spiral your FAMILIARITY or WASTE PARADICE (sic)
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 07:11:19
Comments:
Geena: As Bret Easton Ellis said in his post-adolescent novel "Less than Zero," I've "disappeared here."
Dr. Mu: All this jabbering on the subject of physics and galaxies jolted my mind back to my studies of The Golden Mean and Fibonacci spirals. His theorem of Golden rectangles proves that the same mathematical spiral recurs in galaxies, seashells, and budding flowers and leaves. What are your thoughts on the subject, kind doctor?
Peg: I'd recommend anything by Irving. "Ciderhouse" is good, but personally I felt that "Hotel New Hampshire" was a more enjoyable read. Pat Conroy's "Lords of Discipline" is also an excellent read, and Conroy has a wonderful mastery of the English language. I also recently discovered an author by the name of Gary Jennings, author of "The Journeyer," a historical fiction about the travels of Marco Polo(and one of the best books I've ever read) and "Aztec"(one of the books I'm currently reading). I've decided that anything Jennings touches turns to gold, but be forewarned, his books run in the page-range of thousands--so get ready for a long read if you choose him. And if you haven't read any William Gibson, make SURE you check out "Neuromancer"--an unbelievably splendorous book.
New Kid: "Hello, my arch-nemesis, Simon/Wrong Guestbook...I see you've resurfaced again. And I've just succeeded in composing a post purely Danless in content. How about that?"
Name: Mitch
did you find tour groove
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 06:33:37
Comments:
New Kid: Where can you go, other than Walmart for your one stop shopping of information . The past week alone you have expierienced conversation by potential Nobel Scientists, future New York Times Book Reviewers, Lawyers that can do Stand-up comedy. Doctors that could do network news and yes even a psycho -poet that could be walking the streets. Is this the Cornucopia of talent or what, hang out a while, just like Stella you can get your groove here.
Name: fezo
dark.side.of.my.mood
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 05:39:12
Comments:
Ole: I've never told a doctor joke. I got too many pals who are physicians and would feel like I was insulting them indirectly if I cracked on their profession. Most of my jokes involve bartenders and young innocent girls just off the farm
Peg: Clas is dead on with his recommendation of "Ciderhouse". As I think I've posted here before, I believe it's one of the best books ever written. One warning, though. The first 100 pages are a bit obtuse, but if you wade through them, you will be handsomely rewarded with a classic tale.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@"Come back. Come back. Come back."
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 03:12:47
Comments:
Stranger: Yeah! Another Walker Percy fan on this GB! Yes, it was "Lost in the Cosmos" --so funny and thought provoking at the same time. The end was the best part: "Come back" over and over.
Chilling.Peg: How dare you talk about your brain like that! :) Seriously, you'll love it. Have a great time in....Mexico! **envious snif**
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 02:19:16
Comments:
stranger: is this w.percy stuff something a wee brain like mine could handle?
Clas: thanks for the suggestions
Name: Schwinn
thetruthaboutbrenda
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 01:24:19
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Let's get to the point. Nature loves to exploit her successful systems, i.e., diffusion. (The migration of material through a permeable membrane from greater concentration to lesser concentration.) I mention this because I have yet to see any evidence of a "Big Bang" in nature; proof that it is a successful system. Can you give me an example of anything that explodes, slows and eventually reassembles (accretes) in the natural world? Not outside of theory, Doc. But all I need is a microscope to see diffusion at work almost everywhere in the business of life--and not even an electron scope. In fact, forget the scopes all together and take a deep breath. You have now become conscious of an autonomic process--an exchange of material. Bodhisattva. Now exhale and feed the go-trees...
Hoyle's Steady State theory of the Universe is very close to correct. It was confirmed the first time material was observed being ejected from a "Black Hole". Physics taught me that not even light itself could escape the intense gravity of a black hole--but there are numerous OBSERVABLE contradictions to this maxim. So what do I trust, Doc? What I can see with my own eyes or what some Cornell grad student tells me I COULD see if I had the right equipment?
I have this vision of a Universe no bigger than the gray matter inside my head. A Universe where I can see only 10% of what is there because 90% is busy constructing the next frame. (That shape is my shade.) Physicists talk about the preponderence of "dark" matter in the universe--in affect acknowledging their own ignorance of themselves and once again, placing the human species outside of nature. Who can relax and actually envision a future when our destiny is wrapped up in the violence of a once and future "Big Bang"? It is an unacceptable concept completely at odds with what we can see with our own eyes.
Kick Starting for a Change,
SEMB
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 00:56:06
Comments:
Minah; yeah I saw your post. But my question is: do you want to participate on a CD with GBook regulars? Ygk is in, Roy Scam and me. Maybe we could convince Kinky too. I'm serious about it. And it's all on my expense.
YGK; ok, RubyBaby has my address. Good!
Peg; Irvings "The Ciderhouse Rules". And Peter Hoegs "Miss Smillas sense for snow". Great books. Or Barney Hoskyns "Waiting for the Sun", it's about the rock and jazz-scene in Los Angeles from the 50s to the 90s.
Have a good time! (Guadalajara?)
Name: TheStranger
who finished the cuervo?
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 23:01:38
Comments:
oleander,
seems like all i'm ever doing is praising you these days, but your (very recent, about 2 to 5 messages down from this one) explanation to nu kid about what this board is about was succinct, clear, and poetic. i would've just told him to fuck off. anyway, ever read walker percy? another literate medico. i strongly recommend his 'lost in the cosmos' (i think it was called). brilliant, funny philosophical nonfiction.
Name: TheStranger
here at the lewd ranch
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 22:50:21
Comments:
enough about lawyers.
oleander,
2 things you don't want to hear while you're on the operating table.
1. save that. we'll need it for the autopsy
or ....
2. accept this sacrifice, oh prince of darkness.
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 22:49:54
Comments:
I'm going on vacation (yeah!) to Mexico in about a week, for a week, and was hoping to get some suggestions from you guys for reading materials. Since I don't get many opportunities to read anymore, I'd like to use this vacation as an opportunity to try out some material I might not otherwise read. All that matters to me is that it not be too 'deep' - I'm on vacation, after all, and don't want to rack my brain. And since my 3-year old will be with us, and there will be waiters bringing a constant flow of freshly blended margaritas, it's got to be something that can withstand repeated interruptions.
All suggestions are appreciated!
Name: oleander
the laws of curved spacetime
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 20:13:48
Comments:
Mu & Midnite--I love it when you talk like that.
Geena--With the cake? Kinky, of course.
Clas--Sorry. I was just swept away. Blame it on red shift.
fezo--c'mere, big hugs for that wounded persona. Don't take it personally; I'll bet if they knew you they'd take it back in a heartbeat. In fact, lawyer jokes were originated & propagated by doctors. Except me. Well, rarely. Tell me you've never told a doctor joke.
l'Etranger--the lush fringes of my lowered lashes and the fetching rouge of my smiling cheeks bespeak my modest gratitude for your praise of the Danfest Graces. Truth be told, I only watched.
Nu Kid--It's ALL Steely. The GB is imbued with the Steely ethos, the way of Dan. If all we talked about was the oeuvre, it would be rigid and boring. Indirection, nuance, innuendo, and quirky tangents are all integral to the music. We just try to do them proud.
Name: EvivaLaughs
far across the reach of spacetime
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 20:13:24
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Oh yeah...IMO "True Companion" is the most absolutely beautiful piece of music Fagen ever released. Even my Dan-hating boyfriend likes it--
Geena: I manage a four-doctor inner-city medical clinic. Lots of action, as you might imagine, even when the drug gangs aren't shooting each other outside...so it's rarely boring :)
Name: DrMu
beyondthetroubledskyway
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 19:03:12
Comments:
MC: Please do. I've seen your sight. It makes me wish I had
kept up the telescope hobby as a kid. We had a 2 1/2 in.
refractor I think?. Too much humidity during a lot of the year. Should have spent more winter nights outside. My interest
peaked with the total eclipse of '74? where may Dad and I set up a pinhole box. an awesome sight! The most amazing thing was how the birds and insects went suddenly silent during the 4 min or so of total.
I believe that redshift and doppler are the same principle. As objects move away from the observer the frequency
of the light (this works for sound of course also - a train passing is the classic example) decreases (the wavelength
gets longer). I guess the term redshift comes from the initial visible light observations of stars which were very dim and far away, as well as stars in our galaxy which were known to be moving away from our solar system had a light spectrum which was shifted towards the red light end (lower frequencies). This was confirmed with very bright, pulsating stars which are far away (Quasars). The thing about the "redshift" that's always bugged
me is that as stars were farther away, the "redshift" was
larger, no matter what direction. That smells like artifact
to me since I don't believe in real world (I mean Universe)
phenomenon that are uniform, linear, and homogenous. When
I see something like that, it sends up a "red flag." This area
is out of my league, but isn't it possible that as objects get farther away (here we are talking about thousands, millions of light years and beyond) that the light coming back to us the observer takes on a "red shift" no matter if that object is moving farther away or closer? I'm sure you have a good explanation.Good point about the time. That would be the hiny of a single celled organism (one of our very ancient ancestors).
Oh yeah, aren't the vocla harmonies with Fagen and Zack Sanders on True Companion one of the most chilling things you've ever heard?
Name: Geena
The Daylily Planet
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:48:04
Comments:
shutterbug:
For those of us who weren't there, WHOM may i ask is sitting with the cake?
Concept:
Ken Starr would find that he can kiss his own ass
Stranger:
When you spit, do like the italians do after they've tasted rancid wine or have uttered the name of a despised one, spit to your side and yell out "Swill!", but if you are speaking of lawyers, do the same and instead yell out "ptuiii!" Don't mess up your keyboard.
Eviva:
You never know if you'll ever hear my voice, I haven't given up my union card yet! I still do voice-overs whenever I find the opportunity. My life is very boring now, I have a ho hum job an Ad agency. Now my turn to pry... tell me what you do?
Psychopath:
careful what you say, Mussolini was hanged by his own
Clas:
now junior, behave yourself!
Count:
you've disappeared again...
Name: Squeaky Fromme
da.pokie
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:34:18
Comments:
Mayor Rudy, don't forgot about me, psycho sounds just like the nut job for me, can you fix us up?
Name: John Q. Public
confused voter
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:07:34
Comments:
I would like to cast my vote, is that P.Minstreel fellow running on Mussilini`s party platform, i`m confused here. I jUST hope it`s a fair election, is the election limited to viewers of the Guest Book? is any of candidates passing out cash,like the Kennedy`s did in West Virginia in 1960 ? Hey i`m not Chinese a twenty dollar bill will do.
Name: Mayor Rudy
round 3
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 17:44:26
Comments:
psycho : What poetic competition? You claim to be a poet ,then you lay this Freudian garbage on me. Did you borrow that book from the institutions library, if you did bring it back. I wasn`t the one who said you were a teenager, I guess you just come off that way. BTW none of my romantic rivals sounded like your boy the Texas Chainsaw. I Didn`t follow you on that lust remark. Today Lawyers took some heat on the GB, What do you think of Vincent Bugliose ? he put your idol Charlie Manson away didn`t he ? You should write him and tell him how unfair the system is. and if your not romanticly involved write to that Kasabian girl doing life,i`m sure she`ll laugh at your jokes! Let`s take a poll among the voting public and see who supports who.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 16:42:28
Comments:
Mitch: Yes! BBQ and the Chiefs! Two things I faithfully indulge in!! I'll go find the KC "things-to-do" website and report back later. I don't get to St. Louis very often for tourism. It's usually a pass-thru enroute elsewhere. 2 things in KC come to mind without any thought are: the Jazz History museum and the Black Baseball museum. I guess there are several casinos, if that's your bag. Lots of live music... again, more later.
RoyScammer: Not all of the GB'rs will have Danfest III tee's. I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a protocol. It may be as simple as "meet directly behind the soundboard and wear a baseball cap with the bill to the rear -- upon suspected recognition, use the vulcan "V" handsign"... Yeah, I know, it sounds ridiculous...
Big Fan: Cell phones... Hmmm... I sure coulda used one in Chicago in '96... I drove past the designated pre-concert meeting spot... a bar, the name of which I've long since forgotten, with the parking lot so full that the street was the only place to park and it was lined with cars on both sides for 2 blocks in both directions... almost needless to say that I chose not to attempt entry. I have a hard time believing it was so packed because of the announcement here on the GB that that was the designated meeting spot. A tailgate party in the parking lot sounds like a lot of fun. Some sort of flag could be flown from the designated host's vehicle antenna. How many people would give out their cell # to an almost perfect stranger? Well, maybe a few would.
Later - Doc
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 16:25:33
Comments:
the artist formerly known as rUDY....great pic there man! Was that our own St. Al at the helm of the cake? I'd love to see some more photos since I was not able to attend due to a work related problem.
Dr.Mu....I'd like to discuss your thoughts on redshift and spacetime when I have more time. I'm on a tight schedule for a few days right now. A couple of quickies though.
1. don't you think that redshift and doppler shift are basically the same type phenomenon only obseved at different frequencies? I personally feel that the science behind redshift is sound and that although no one has been able to nail down the exact value of the Hubble constant that we are indeed looking back in time the farther we look out into space.
2. I think your idea of looking out far enough with some sort of visual aid and being able to see your backside is a good point because when you understand how a 4 dimensional (spacetime) manifold works then you would eventually arrive back at the original starting place if you were to leave here and go in a straight line for a great enough distance. Time however, would seemingly have long since passed us by.
sorry I don't have time to get into this more right now but it is a subject I'm very interested in. hope we can discuss it at more length some time.
Name: minah
china
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 15:08:19
Comments:
Rubybaby: I'll replace that lotion..damn cows, you try to make a point about expropriation when they're young, but you never know how they'll turn out - there's one in every herd I suppose.
yeah Clas, I'm hiding in here someplace. Theres a message to you a couple days back - you'll need to (sc)roll back (to get) the meaning.
Fine right coast reports, one and all, thanks for the laughs.
mW
Name: fezo
lick.me
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 14:49:39
Comments:
Stranger et al: Silly me. I thought for once the GB could rise above its usual 8th grade level of discourse and have a somewhat rationale discussion about something other than the hidden meaning of the second stanza of the third verse of the unreleased version of "Peg".
Myra: Bad news. I gave my only copy and signed over the copyright of the "Roy Goes Colonial" video to one of those demon lawyers that the Stranger so fears and, of course, the zealous representative of all that is evil with the world has disappeared without a trace. My hunch is the fire-breathing dragon and bearer of the black plague intellectual property attorney has sold the tape on the black market. Look for Roy and the sin sisters at the Video Club nearest you.
Back to stealing from the poor and robbing the blind
fezo
Name: MAJ Andrew M. Boyd
@ease
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 14:12:09
Comments:
Mr. Stranger, Sir!
We contacted the Pentagon who in turn
recommended to Congress, for their immediate
action, the following legislation to reduce the
surplus population of attorneys. At the same time,
it is believed that this initiative will
keep militiamen in Texas and Michigan busy
when out of deer season.The enforcement of regulations and
collection of fees may of course vary
from state to state.Hunting Regulations
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Bill to Regulate the Hunting and Harvesting of Attorneys PC 370.00
370.01 Any person with a valid in-state rodent or snake hunting license may
also hunt and harvest attorneys for recreational and sport (non-commercial)
purposes.370.02 Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of
United States currency as bait, however, is prohibited.370.03 The willful killing of attorneys with a motor vehicle is prohibited,
unless such vehicle is an ambulance being driven in reverse. If an attorney is accidentally struck
by a motor vehicle, the dead attorney should be
removed to the roadside, and the vehicle should proceed immediately to the nearest car wash.370.04 It is unlawful to chase, herd or harvest attorneys from a power boat,helicopter or aircraft.
370.05 It is unlawful to shout, "WHIPLASH", "AMBULANCE", or "FREE SCOTCH"for the purposes of trapping attorneys.
370.06 It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW, Mercedes or Porsche dealerships, except on Wednesday afternoon.
370.07 It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of courtrooms, law libraries, health clubs,
country clubs, hospitals or brothels.370.08 If an attorney gains elective office, it is not necessary to have a license to hunt, trap or possess the same.
370.09 It is unlawful for a hunter to wear a disguise as a reporter, accident victim, physician,
chiropractor or tax accountant for the purpose
of hunting attorneys.370.10 Bag and Possession Limits per day: Yellow-bellied sidewinders, 2;Two-faced tortfeasors, 1; Back-stabbing divorce litigators, 3; Horn-rimmed cut-throats, 2; Minutiae-advocating dirtbags, 4. Honest attorneys protected
(Endangered Species Act).ARS 8007.21 It is illegal to take attorneys with a moving vehicle unless there are no measurable skid marks at the kill site.
Name: Earthbound
weretheyunderthetire...seat?
Location: Laughalot, IN
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:39:11
Comments:
Hey now!
Oleander: very nice Fess reports -- I sins a good
time was had by all. Had I been there, I'm sure
I woulda made a run for Kill Devil Hill. For true
"beach heads," that's a mainland treasure! I was
also trying to decipher all varietals of imbibance.
Appears that all groups were covered?ZEKE: 'sup bean head? Caught Indy's CircleFest.
The day saw Junior Brown, Leon Redbone, Jimmy Vaughn,
HogFat, REO and the Doobies -- albeit sans the Bros.
Neville. It plain cooked. For the encore, "Listen
to the Music," Johnston called out REO, saying they'd
dug each other forever, but never had the chance to
play together. Killer. I missed not having MM there,
but you take what you can get...
Also saw the Raitt/Brown gig. Very tight and fun :)
Three times Bonnie said she was glad her run with
Lilith was over so she could play what SHE wanted!
Said it was hard dealing with all those wimmen. I
thought JB was decent, but it's still hard for me to
appreciate a guy that pummels female faces. He's
probably lacking in some area. Summer highlight: YES
w/AP Project. Both smoked. AP opened with "Dr. Tarr."
YES played EVERYTHING for 2-3/4 hrs. Met all after.
Took me way back!
Best to you, here comes autumn!G'day, all you hedonistic Western imperialists!
*** GO SEE "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN" ***
Name: a shutterbug
caught @ the festivities
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:12:41
Comments:
for those of you awaiting the visuals from the last weekend:
ITEM ONE: Cake.
http://www.pageboy.net/eric/cake.htm
Further bulletins as events warrant.
Thank you.
Name: TheStranger
tort this
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:05:55
Comments:
fez,
you are so right. why a day never goes by that i don't worry about lawyers. but lawyers, being the resourceful people they are, are already solving the reputation problem. by my calculations, beginning in the year 2006, 11 out of 10 americans will be lawyers. the unmerited campaign being waged against this fine profession will of course then cease by default. until then, i fear the general public, in its ignorance, may continue to react negatively to bloodsucking swine. what are you gonna do?
Name: Myra Eyefull
I foresee terrible trouble but I stay here just the same
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:03:31
Comments:
I don't know why they close everything around me during a hurricane but expect me to come to work. I'll do my time today, but it is doubtfull that the city will get much out of me that is productive. Most of my day has been spent listening to classic rock, reading the GB, and watching the rain blow sideways.
Fezo: I might make it worth your while (nudge, nudge, say no more) if I could get a copy of that video of Big Roy from the last danfest. Was he doing that crazy dance again?
In defense of attorneys, if they are on my side when I am trying to remove a child, then they are Gods, but if they are doing their job for the parents, and they make my job more difficult, fuck'm.
Myra
Name: lisa
the serpent @nd the rainbow
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:03:07
Comments:
+++: is that a question regarding my new appreciation for constraint? or an offer to bind me?
Name: Concept
within a Concept
Location: Hey, , how about
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 12:57:46
Comments:
Ken Starr investigating Ken Starr - talk about the dog chasing his tail.
Would he find anything?
would it be admissible?run, baby, run
Name: fezo
chugging.the.Fifth
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 12:36:08
Comments:
Stranger: I'm the attorney. Your name has been added to the docket of people I'm suing for defaming the profession.
You know, a lot of the anti-attorney stories out there are from well-funded publicity campaigns sponsored by the insurance companies. You think they are ever going to fire their attorneys?
That's not to say that there aren't some horrendous attorneys. I know some who I wouldn't trust to deliver a pizza much less stand up in court and represent even my worst enemy. But there are also bad doctors, stockbrokers, etc. I've never understand why lawyers get all the grief. But then I saw O.J. trial. Johnnie Cochran should have Ken Starr sicked on him.
Name: TheStranger
taking the 5th
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 11:21:23
Comments:
oleander,
who's a lawyer? clinton's a lawyer & it's not doing him a whole lot of good. i spit on lawyers. ptuui!! yuch. got to clean up the keyboard. later.
Name: psychopathic minstrel
sigh
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 11:06:41
Comments:
yet another wanna-be leader who misses the feel of his mother's hand wiping his ass.
my apologies, oh retentive one, on my less than presise speling habbits. I suppose it is only a reflekshon of how little I care for your spetiol brand of akseptance.
Name: DrMu
huh?
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:49:47
Comments:
Fee: you wrote " It takes a special person to have the self confidence to use both
PHYSICS and NEWTON in the same post. Tell me, what does the Newtonian
model have to do with PHYSICS?"
Many freshmen taking Physics 101 have probably asked the same question, while popping aspirin, ibuprofen, and acetaminophen. Then the apple doesn't hurt. Fortuanely, the engineers who designed the classroom buildings they took notes in, who designed the automobiles and buses which took them to the classrooms, and who built the CD players which could allow the most enlightened ones to play the Dan in the dorm room while they studied KNOW the relationships. Math and physics (newtonian and non-newtonian) are not only our basis for our understanding the universe around us at the "mid" size levels - people, buildings, mountains, oceans, rain, etc. Philosophy (I guess that's what you're talking about) has to do with the way our feeble brains perceive the universe and how we interact with the human condition. They do tend to converge a bit at the super micro and macro (space-time continuum) size levels 'cause things get real weird and defy intuition. I'm still not convinced that the increasing "red shift" physicists use from visual and other electromagnetic spectrum measures to ascertain movement of distant galaxies and quasars, etc. is not artifact (there's no "gold standard). I'm wouldn't be surprised with the curvature of s-t that with a powerful enough telescope that if you peered out far enough, you'd see your own hiny. My own work is very humbled and applied compared to those gradiose questions that await at the fringes of our knowledge. Some arrogant astronomers claim that they'll have this whole thing figured out in 20 years!?
Name: Mayor Ron Kirk
Psycho minstrel: You are a jackass
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:24:49
Comments:
and you need to work on your spelling as well.
Name: lisa's back YOWIE!
@+ + +
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:15:00
Comments:
Lisa how about whips and Chain Lightning!
Name: EvivaLaughs
@hey, don't drag me into it
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:59:08
Comments:
Mayor Rudy: Hey, don't drag me into your fights with the Minstrel--I didn't take any sides...
Geena: Wow! What a lotta stuff you did for CBS! How interesting--I'll never hear your voice but it sounds very versatile...and NO WONDER you felt burnt out. What is it that you do now (if I may pry again :) )
Name: psychopathic minstrel
ok..fine
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:42:27
Comments:
well, mayor, it is obvious that you are indeed a coward in the face of poetic compitition....but that is understandable considering the frothing-spit-form-lips posts that you have been enamored of since I arrived here.
therefore, my being the more "honorable" of the two of us, I will meet you, square-shoulded, on your own grownd.
however, it is truely a pity that a man who seems to view himself as an educated and forthright member of society deems it nessisary to continue to use such sludge pond vulgarities when addressing those whom he sees as less fortunate and indeed mentaly or even criminaly incapacitated. is this the true mettle of a governing body?
not that offerring me your...what was it...salomi...wasn't a true work of intellectual giantism, particularly when I take into account that you seem to believe me to be a frustrated teen. did the lyics of my verse touch that deeply, sawing with ragged teeth into some bitter memory of your own, some inadequesy you felt in adolesence perhaps? did it remind you of your jealous feelings toward a romantic rival, or was it simple unrequited lust?
I would just like to point out that of all the users on this page...it was your knee that jerked the most."My program is simple: I want to govern"
Mussolini
rebuttle?
Name: Hey Pompe
@try pepto=bismol
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:15:55
Comments:
HEY CLAS, give some of your viagra to Pompe and find him
a nasty bitch. Should make him feel better or then again
it might make it red and sore again. Give it a try and
let us know.
Name: lisa
sleep to dre@m
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:12:03
Comments:
i certainly intended to give my interpretation of the danfess3 activities before this...but now it's clear to me that the other attendees arrived home a full 2 nights before i did! i've been remembering the scant details of my lost hours in a montage of abstract snippets:aja and i sitting in my car discussing the possibility of having enemies in the spiritual world...(meld)...being baptized by a wild cherry slurpee from the 7-11, courtesy of hussain...(meld)...reaching down to wipe the frosty goodness from my ankle, i noticed a man wearing bruno magli loafers...(meld)...he was next to me again at the phonebooth as i dug for my book of numbahs...
the only event i'm SURE of is when this very man walked up beside me at the gas-N-sip in suffolk...he leaned in close, and in a breathy whisper he cooed "welcome home, girl"...he then popped open his rolex and blew a pungent white powder into my face...as i lost all sense of reality, the last sound i heard was his throaty voice:
"i can call you betty...and betty when you call me, you can call me hal..."
weird huh?
i have a tiny scar above my right temple and i keep thinking how great of a guy kinky is! also, i've developed an affinity for handcuffs.
as far as the actual danfess3, i'm getting those memories back a little at the time as well...i do remember roy.scam telling all us girls that when you have alot of something, it's your duty to share with others...we are now to refer to him as BIG.roy or poppa love thrust...
as it comes, so shall ye receive...
Name: Honorable Mayor Rudy
Hudson River Valley Inst. for Criminally Insane
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 07:27:56
Comments:
Pycho stupido, I just came back from one of the institutions outside the City. I`M trying to get a better understanding of sick motherfuckers like yourself. When i was a youth , like most kids in the neighborhood i went to a Catholic school where i was taught to show compassion to the less fortunate members of our society, You and EVIVA keep telling me to throw the first punch, well maybe all you were feeling were jabs, Open your mouth wide , i have some Genoa Salami for you! Fuckface. ( Sister Mary Louise I know your disapointed, sorry) Trying to rid the streets and the net of the Criminally Insane , Mayor Rudolf.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 07:17:42
Comments:
Clas: perhaps I could send you a cassette copy of one of them - I won't send digital...but it wont' happen for a few weeks....
...I'll be in Mexico next Monday for 10 days...
I wonder if I'll hear "DIA" or other Latin flavored Dan...
ygk
Name: fezo
wasting.away.again
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 06:59:33
Comments:
Roy: You forget that only I know what really went on at Danfest 2 between you and the chambermaid. Strike that, chambermaids. So unless you want the video of that embarassing spectacle sent directly to Myra, you need to double your promised payment for my non-appearance at Danfest 3.
Stranger: I checked out the Pat Boone GB but got kicked out rather quickly. My analysis of the Sermon on the Mount apparently offended some other PB GBers when I got confused and included a later reference to the well known line from Calvary "Hey Peter, I can see your house from here"
Name: Clas
Anthony's Barbados and Grill
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 03:37:14
Comments:
Oh what a night!
Pompes stomach! We went out six (6) times. He is resting today. Very tired. So am I.
Fee Waybit; Pompe rules.
StAl; yes, I thought you were a little... a little... a little bit TOO laidback.
Oleander; andyouweretalkingtofast! That's very hard for a Swede three in the morning!
Fezo; haven't you got the money either? What the hell...
RubyBaby; yeah, I need to get to California and eat those doughnuts again. They are very good for the heart behind the sternum.
YGK; so, was my answer good enough? What do you say? We got me, maybe you, and Roy Scam so far.
Minah; are you in?
Geena; I'm lazy on email, but soon! Ti ti ti ti ti aaaammmmm... ooops.
Name: StEpheN hAWkinGs
mOutH MUsIc
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 02:06:09
Comments:
I FeLl oUt of mY Ez CHaIr/iT wAs NOT mY owN
Name: Fee
attractedtolorenze
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 01:46:08
Comments:
Dr. Mu: It takes a special person to have the self confidence to use both PHYSICS and NEWTON in the same post. Tell me, what does the Newtonian model have to do with PHYSICS? Is it true that PHYSICISTS need the Newtonian model as a reference point while they splash around in the cooling pond? I must admit, it's almost magical when an apple falls off a tree, hits you on the head, and YOU STILL DON'T WAKE UP. Please, never again apologize for using PHYSICS to illustrate your point(s). I have almost zero respect for the concept as it is...
Roy: Schwinn reminds you that his gift was water soluble. He apologizes for assuming you would drink water while near the beach. He never accounted for Margaritas...
Pat: That's right, you're not from Texas. Texas wants you anyway.
Myra: The couple that plays together stays together. 24 years is BEYOND PHYSICS. But then again, physics knows nothing of love.
New Kid: Does Skunk also talk about the shiner he gave Michael McDonald during the first day of the Minute by Minute recording sessions? Damn! That's Doobie Brother's stuff! Nothing to do with Steely Dan. Now I see what you mean. Please forget I even mentioned it...
Clas: Please pass the Dutchie.
Name: Big Fan
here@westernworld.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 20:12:34
Comments:
Doc Kelly:
One thing that worked for us at 96 concerts to get together were cell phones. Since many of us had never been to the venues before, it was an easy way to communicate and find each other. I think a whole summer of Danfests across the country songs great. i'll have four weeks of vaction next year and you are right, I can't think of anything better than to go to Steely Dan concerts with some of that time. Here's to the new album!
Name: Roy.Scam
danfest.on.the.arch.next.year?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:49:25
Comments:
fezo: You mean the check didn't arrive yet? If it's not there soon, please contact the firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe and ask them about the legal rights of someone who makes a contract over the internet with a guy whose last name is Scam.
New Kid In Town: Are you sure God knows what we're babbling about? --- Thanks for the Skunk tip; I saw him on the news a few months ago, something about a guitar auction to raise funds. --- There's still some good Steely Dan names left; you didn't have to name yourself after an Eagles song.
Doc: St. Louis sounds great. Couldn't we use our Danfess III t-shirts as protocol? Myra and I invented a secret SD Guestbook handshake but then decided it was too obscene for public use (or even private use). But we do enjoy using it to pretend we're introducing ourselves to one another when no one is around.
Stranger: I woulda told you later.
RS
Name: oleander
I fought the law
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:47:37
Comments:
Stranger--He IS a lawyer.
Name: TheStranger
on the wrong coast last weekend
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:45:31
Comments:
myra eyefull,
so what you're telling me is fezo surrendered his opportunities to win the favor of an entire handful of lovely, loving, Dan-appreciating, screened-for-intelligence-and-taste, silky, sweet, amazing femmes for mere DINERO? for lucre, lettuce, shekels, cabbage, piasters? for filthy, drug-connected unmarked bills? fez, if this be true, turn in your membership card & report to the pat boone gb.& then royscam fell asleep?
what a terrible waste of resources. you should all be reported to the epa.
later? later i'll be brooding. after that, let's talk.
Name: oleander
got my area wiped
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:45:23
Comments:
Myra--So that explains all those strange underpants in my backpack.
Roy--Word of caution: he IS a lawyer.
Name: psychopathic minstrel
thank you Eviva
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 18:28:26
Comments:
The issue is this mayor, the glove has been thrown, pick it up or beg quarter, then we shall debate.
I am beggining to regret my initial attempt at courtesy.
Name: Geena
feeling groovy
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:57:04
Comments:
countzir0: I guess some part of Tayhos experienced a hurricane, and then you disappeared. Do me a favor and please don't do that anymore, you scared the beejeesus out of me.
My beautiful car, the cadillac of buicks (in my eyes) had some moisture in the gas tank; there was a monsoon here the night before. As for alternators, you are speaking to the reigning queen of alternators, distributor caps and carburetors. I used to have a car with the engine of a DC10 and had to replace the alternator once a year, so I'm accustomed to it's symptoms. You remember Marisa Tomei's courtroom scene in "My Cousin Vinny"? I could have written those lines for her.
Eviva: Sorry for not replying to your question. I'm glad you're feeling better. Ok, here's my CBS resume:
Receptionist, programming assistant, traffic announcer, production assistant, voice of Jewish mom with heavy Brooklyn accent discussing daughter's batmitvah (sp?)for the Fromagerie Belle cheese ad, voice of Sally of Sal and Dave fame pitching dollar fifty Heineken drafts for a nightclub in Arizona, voice of Maria Tortellini doing restaurant reviews (comedy skit), one of 4 voices singing the Pontiac jingle. I would often lurk around the corner waiting for the announcer to take a bathroom break and sneak into the air studio, cross out a few songs and replace them with my Steely Dan favorites. I then worked in sales, then quit so I could have a life.
Mayor Rudy: You kill me! are you sure you're not from Boston?
DrMu: Can you belive this? I understood everything you wrote and am now constructing my own aerodynamic teepee!
Name: Mitch
Possible hosts
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:23:09
Comments:
Doc.Kelly, What is in K.C. to do. I know their famous for barbecue and the CHIEFS, but for tourists? Tell us about ST. lOUIS too, I know they renovated the Train station and the arch is a must see.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@so that's why we pay the weatherman
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:05:50
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Ah my GOSH, are you trying to make our heads explode?
Psychotic Minstrel, Mayor Rudy: hey guys, we're all waiting for one of you to stop playing the dozens and take the first swing.
Geena: thanks; you're very nice. I'm starting to (or was, until I read Dr. Mu's post :) )...So what did you do at CBS? (if I may ask)
Name: Mayor Rudy,
Debate me
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:03:36
Comments:
What is yatta , yatta , are you going into convulsions are what? Come on Pycho bitch and debate me on the issues....
Name: fezo
land.locked
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:00:17
Comments:
So Roy, where IS my money? I spend my entire weekend in the rural hell of Orange minding a sick cat just so you can bask in the glow of the satyrian fete all by yourself and I have yet to receive my just compensation.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:56:08
Comments:
New Kid: You're right... why'd you even bother posting? Don't YOU feel stupid for wasting your time???
Festers: Wish I was there... next gathering in the midwest? maybe in St. Louis or KC? I could handle arrangements in KC... are there any GB'ers in St. Louis?
If the next tour occurs in the summer of 1999 then we'll all have to start dreaming up our recognition protocols soon... the 1996 protocols failed miserably! Since very few of us actually know the others we can be somewhat difficult to recognize.
I'm planning on attending at least 3 shows in the midwest. I had a blast following the band in 93, 94 and 96. I can't think of too many other things right now that I'd rather spend my vacation doing.
Pre-concert parking lot protocols are needed. Pre-concert in-the-arena protocols are needed. Break-between-sets protocols are needed.
Still lurkin'... Doc
Name: Mitch
do ya have 2x fest shirts?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:42:48
Comments:
Glad the D-FEST was a sucess and no casualties reported. The posts seem like everyone was pleased. New Kid in town. Your timing is bad,with some of the Guest Book folks getting back from a beach party,and with tales to tale. There is lots of Steely talk on this site plus just about any topic you can think of, so don`t panic on the Titanic, welcome aboard!
Name: Myra Eyefull
let the truth be known
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:33:33
Comments:
Stranger: It is not wise to ask Roy Scam to tell all about his escapades with me or the other fine darlings that attended the Dan-fest. You being a fine specimen of a man should know that Roy is incapable of telling the truth about his sexual adventures. The real poop on the deal is that, contrary to what you have heard, Roy paid Fezo not to come on Friday night so he could suck up all the female adoration for himself. Even though he was with his wife, who had never met his groupies before, he managed to provide us all with enough wit and charm to get us to talk him into participating in a menage a cinque. When I was finally able to tear him away from his girls, he passed out on his twin bed that was nailed to the floor.(When has anyone you know attempted to steal a bed from a hotel?) Even though I had to share "Big Roy" with his girls, it was fun to sleep next to him (in the next bed, I must add) and admire what others must see in him that, after 24 years of marriage, I have learned to take for granted.
So, what are you doing later?
Myra
Name: New Kid In Town
@what da fuck
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:12:32
Comments:
Just surfin the web and found this site...thought it would be cool...but judging from the messages here it seems like this
site has nothing to do with Steely Dan.....Sign In Stranger: ?? For what? I bunch of dweebs blabbing about god knows what?
For anyone who cares....Jeff Baxter does a great interview in Vintage Guitar magazine...talks about the obscure origins of the original Steely Dan lineup...
Name: psychotic minstrel
oooh! mayor, you are sooooo smart!
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:01:45
Comments:
yatta, yatta, yatta, mayor man, you gonna take a swing or not?
Name: bombs away
@blame is the name of the game now
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 14:17:11
Comments:
Who gets the blame for the Planet Hollywood bombing. There
will be more you know.
Name: Mayor Rudy
quit blaming others
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 13:49:40
Comments:
Psycho Minstreel: I will ta