Name: Roger
RTPUPPY@BoneShare.com
Location: Philladelphia, PA
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 22:07:26
Comments:
Ren Mazollo: Here in America we pronounce it 'Don'.
Roger
Name: DrMu
homicide on the dunes
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 20:15:39
Comments:
Geena: Boy, ARE having terrible luck if your
GOLD does not contain "True Companion." The origianl
SD-Gold had 8 selections. 4 tracks were added
for the CD format in '91: "Here at the Western
World," "Century's End" (remixed by Elliot Scheiner),
"True Companion," and the live "Bodhisattva" from the last concert of the 70s in Santa Monica with Jerome Aniston
giving the "introduction."
Name: Myra Eyefull
duh
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 20:11:43
Comments:
Stranger: According to my husband, you would have had to perform frontal lobotomies on the entire French soccer team in order to get them to agree to have their picture taken with me.
Fezo: Roy and I managed to avoid any serious damage up our way. I had considered getting a room in Virginia Beach proir to the storm because I had heard that they were offering hurricane rates
and I love to watch the surf kick up. We have always dodge the bullet up to now but this storm surprised us at the last minute.("It's not nice to fool Mother Nature")A lot of people are still without power. I'm afraid I'm too dependent on modern conveniences to go without electricity for this long. I would have to find my way into a motel.Myra
Name: Marred
nocanunsend
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 19:39:01
Comments:
Geena, Well yes. just a BIT much.
chagrimp'd
Name: Geena
Mad as hell!
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 18:50:57
Comments:
I hate it when I can't seperate my posts!
Name: Geena
Orient Express
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 18:49:26
Comments:
It must be in the stars, does anyone here with any knowledge of astrology, numerology, bio-rhythms, I-ching or gypsy fortune telling tell me why I've had such a string of misfortunes, lately? Without going into it, all I can say is I hope it's over! So, I enter the GB after many days of absentia and notice it's become another version of Oprah's Book Reviews, lessons in physics and astronomy, the art of motorcycle maintenance and the formation of religious cults, Wow! if it wasn't for bad luck! On the other hand, I guess I'm just jealous because I hardly have time anymore to even read the back of a cereal box and as for physics and the like; could never get into it. It's there, it happens, I don't ask. Anyway, I'm on vacation next week!!!!
Peg: Sorry, I couldn't jump on the literary bandwagon with my offerings of intellectual and non intellectual reads, but hope you have a lovely vacation.
Rose D: Welcome back! you were probably an hour and a half away from me, why didn't you call? 40 can look terrific if one does it right!
Il Straniero: another fabulous quote from a fab dude. Money laundering? I'm staying far away from that!
Fez-Oh!: When I first jumped on the internet, I loved it so much, I began scheming of ways to take time off from work so I could play all day. I fought with myself for a few hours, but then as usual, my logical side won and said: "no spacebrain, you can become addicted to this and could end up at Internet Addicts Anonymous or an Internet Detox Center or in an Internet Desensitizing chamber, all of which your HMO won't pay for."
Marred: pass me the packing tape and get back in the box.
Clas: in my italian dialect, a "velenese" is a resident of Avellino, it also means poison. so, if one is trying to learn the dialect of south central Italy and asks a resident this question, they shouldn't become offended if a slew of obscenities and curses follow.
DrMu: My version of Steely Dan Gold - Expanded Edition does not include "True Companion." what gives?
countzir0: Things NOT to watch on Sunday morning TV:
Infomercials
Alice
One Day at a Time (pre Eddie Van Halen Bertinelli)
N.E. Farm Report
Martha Stewart (not a good thing)
Charlie Horse Music Pizza
Lumberjack Competition
Dr. Candido Perez
Yo! MTV Raps
over and out
Name: Mitch
Steel City
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:35:31
Comments:
Monica L. now that was a mouthful. Here comes the bidding war for the sex story, it`s at 2 million now. How high do you think it will go?
Name: TheStranger
where's the xanax?
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:23:57
Comments:
did i say every media? i meant every medium. see what happens, myra? you can't relax. stop discussing me or i'm gonna post those pics of you & the french soccer team.
Name: TheStranger
behind the big casino
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 16:16:07
Comments:
myra eyefull,
whoever told you i'm a writer was tragically mistaken. i launder money and do unlicensed brain surgery from my cayman island headquarters. but if i were a writer i would probably tell you that i think i'm getting better and that at this rate i should be pretty good by the year 3006.yeah, it's tougher to get someone's attention, something everyone in every media has to deal with. so we get movies about guys who trade faces & we see computerized dinosaurs and asteroids and shit & we get numbed by it all. but good books are still getting published, good movies still get made somehow, good music gets composed & played. we just have to search through more trash to find the gems.
Name: imp
@udentbystingingrain
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 15:43:24
Comments:
sharply flattened.
Name: fezo
home@last
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 15:07:02
Comments:
Roy/Myra: Did y'all safely endure Bonnie's turn back to Va Beach? I heard it caught the natives by surprise but haven't heard how far inland it got
All: I read more about the Internet survey today on the AP wire. Survey sounds somewhat skewed. They took 130 computer newbees. Gave 'em free computers and internet service and told 'em to do as they like. Jesus, if that was me, I'd call home sick for three months and surf 20 hours a day. Damn straight I'd be seeing less of my friends.
Clas: you heard "Running On Empty" lately? i pulled the disc out of the mothballs over the weekend and played it over and over. Good stuff. Except for the title cut which is a bit histrionic, all the songs are real sparse and subtle.
"when i turn out the light
i got to hand you to me"
Name: Aja (SierraLuna)
non sequitor
Location: ?,
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 14:21:58
Comments:
Hello! I haven't had much access to the web lately and have only read a few posts in monthes. Hope everyone is doing well.
StAl - Happy belated Anniversary!
Dan (the server at the Danfest dinner) - Excellent job, don't think you weren't noticed.
Danfest attendees - I'm still hanging in there and sort of "stranded in Red Hook".
lisa - I hope you are doing well and Bonnie was true to her name to you.
Kinkster - While I'm in the NY area I'd like to see you if possible (& know it, if you have shown your face to me before). Email me through Daves88.
Later, Aja
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
anthonys.bar.n.grill
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 12:10:13
Comments:
BTW, Roy, since you asked about my spewing at the Danfest...
While lisa was on the phone with Gretchen, I was opening my bottle of club soda with the usual predictable (except by me) result of water going everywhere. lisa told Gretchen that I was spewing over the carpet. She did not elaborate or clarify.
Name: Myra Eyefull
bettertod@y
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:50:59
Comments:
Stranger: Since you are a writer, do you find that your works are better now than when you first started writing?
Our society is so high tech these days, we tend not to apprecriate the simpler things we once loved. For example: take a child to the zoo now and he may not get half as excited as we once did at that same age. Movies are most likely better now with all the computer techniques available but you have to appreciate the fine works of the past.Myra
Name: Marred
iknowhathappens@readbook
Egypt, when it rains
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:43:04
Comments:
Knowing full well that with all of you minds, I may encounter wrath and postulations, and viable (viabile, product of filtration and therefore, clear) arguments, I just have to say Doc Kelly, that yes, of COURSE there is God...oh, but that was not your exact question, was it?
Oh, and of course, you were not asking me..how could you?
..How do you know if it's even there once you see it go into the box? unless you're the box
feet up sphinxster, if only I could dodge these damn raindrops..gotta get home, inside my empty boxful of space.
impudent guest
Name: TheStranger
reelin in the years
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:33:22
Comments:
luckless pedestrian,
don't feel bad. i thought 'easy rider' was a profound movie when it came out. i saw it on the tube not long ago & couldn't believe i'd ever been so dumb. not everything ages like good red wine. but you hit it on the head -- the Dan still holds up. guess that's why we're here.
Name: Monica L
Well I never!
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:30:53
Comments:
Boston Globe: That's a lie and I can prove it!
Name: Boston Globe
you're fired
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:05:57
Comments:
M.L. Wasn't that a skit on Politically Incorrect?
Name: DrMu
not your Dali Lama
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 11:01:47
Comments:
Doc: I know you're having fun at my expense and that's OK (it's time to follow that Edie Brickell song anyway). My non-answer: It's one of those many WHY questions that science can never (or will have a very difficult time) answer, despite the fact that science has provided a foster role as a religion for some (I know some of these folks). The scientific method is just not very good at the whys - much better at the hows... It's a matter of faith then, eh? It would seem that the rules of the Universe imply an underlying intelligence and complexity of some type... the existence or non-existence of a grand engineer or puppetier I don't believe can be disproven (remember, the scientific method can only DISPROVE a hypothesis, never prove it)... quoting Edie's hubby: "I known what I know, I'll say what I have said."
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 10:25:06
Comments:
mWorld: Yeah, I know. Any recognition protocol is going to seem a bit ridiculous if scrutinized. Believe it or not, I tend to go to extremes to make a point. Hence the discussion 1 year in advance of the need.
DrMu: Is there a God?
Name: Monica L.
uptomyearswithallofthis
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 10:19:19
Comments:
Ihave had enough. This whole experience has left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I can't stomach any more. I feel as if I am getting the shaft, that this ugly matter has come to a head and blown up in my face.
This may be a load to handle, but when things are hard, that is when I am at my best. I have faced hard things in the past, and I know what is coming. I will meet the challenage the only way I know how: head-on. I have licked bigger things than this before, and I will again.
No one will ever be able to say that Monica Lewinsky isn't a finisher, that she quit before the job was done. I will work nonstop and fight this, blow by blow, until I am wiped clean of this dirty affair.
I will not be stained by it. Thank you,
Monica Lewinsky
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
greenflower.street
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 09:51:33
Comments:
Oleander: I'm still waitin' for that snail address...
LP
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
any.man.left.on.the.outer.banks.is.KOTW
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 09:50:03
Comments:
Among the books that I thought profound when I was in my late teens/early 20s was "Island" by Aldous Huxley. Re-read it in my early 30s, and found it somewhat lacking.
Thanks goodness Steely Dan holds up better than Huxley!
--LP
Name: Ren Mazzolo
ecs@dot.net.au
Location: Sydney, NSW Australia
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 04:43:12
Comments:
Great reading that "Muswellbrook" was in fact the Australian (NSW) town mentioned in "Black Friday".... I thought 'muzwellbrook' was some American place or whatever.. Here in Australia we pronounce it as 'musclebrook'.. anyway .. that was back in the '70's and here we are in the '90's... I have been reading "Reelin' in The Years" with great delight... Listening to SD tapes & CD's and really into "the story"... The great delight is the Denny Dias respect factor.. One of the finest guitarist of all time ... What's he doing these days?
Have Dan & Walter ever considered teaming up with another Dan.. Daniel Lanois???
Very interesting..
From a devoted Fan,
in sunny Australia
Regards
Ren
Name: Clas
living on default line
Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 at 02:30:48
Comments:
Dear Sirs;
"Gift" (with a soft "g" like "j"), is the swedish word for "married". It also means "poison".
So, if one asks you in Swedish:
-Är du gift? It means two things: "Are you married" or "Are you poison".
Have to go, got to make that caribou run.
Name: Schwinn
luckystar
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 23:41:44
Comments:
Doc Mu: "One way to escape the problem of "a beginning" was a steady-state universe that is eternal, unchanging--yet always expanding. To keep it thus, new atoms, new stars, new galaxies must constantly be created to fill the gaps formed by expansion. The elements of such cosmology, namely, the continuous creation of matter, had been proposed by Sir James Jeans in 1941. It was fully formulated in 1958 by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and (in a seperate paper) Fred Hoyle."
Walter Sullivan"Black Holes: The Edge of Space, The End of Time"
(Once you mentioned it, I just couldn't get that beautiful Hubble image of the Eagle Nebula out of my mind. There are many nurseries out there, yes?)
SEMB
Name: Gap
bettingthreeno
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 23:06:11
Comments:
Mr. Scam: Nice cover on the astrology/astronomy thing. My number game was never intended to be revellatory. See how easily you got it? Thanks for proving my point. Next stop: The integers Sagan never got to.
Dr. Mu: Yes, I am familiar with morphic resonance. And the Phoenecians had nothing on the Sumerians. Can I assume a dormful of coeds will automatically establish their own "periodicity"? No wonder the Perseids were so anticlimactic.
Spinning,Gap
Name: DrMu
walk a tropical mile
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 21:20:04
Comments:
Holy Shit! Under 100° and Rain! Our alkaline
city water heavy with sodium had been killing our foliage
despite feeding with iron.RD: "True Companion" is a gorgeous song Donald Fagen
recorded for the movie soundtrack "Heavy Metal" circa 1981.
HM was re-released as as CD last year. You can also find a re-masterd version on Steely Dan "Gold - Expanded Edition."NY TIMES: After driving like a fool to the Pharmacy, the popping 60 mg of Prozac I suddenly felt great sympathy for the researchers. Imagine wasting months of your
time and coming up with this pablum. Better catch the men in
the white coats as they dive from the 14th floor. Hey, any
takers on a market free-f(or)all tomorrow?Gap: Did you know the Phoenicians developed a good bit of algebra (and geometry, too)? They lived in now Lebanon and
were the "Ferengi" of the ancient Mediterranean. These were essential to sail to Carthage, Athens, Crete, Rome, etc. They used these talents to sail around the Mediterranean and
to trade. It always helps if you are better at math than those you are bartering with (pawn your crown and buy uptown).Schwinn: Indeed, the heavens clock our time. Just ask a dorm-full of coeds. We left lengths to the gout-ridden kings
and their feet, thumbs, armspans, and horse pastures.
Thank goodness they were not more inbred or we would be using base 12! I'd have to use my ears besides my fingers and toes!Oleander Medicine Woman: Order/Disorder or Complexity can follow strange patterns, doesn't it. The more order an EKG is, generally the healthies the patient. A more disordered or complex pattern is bad news: PVCs, fibrillation. On the other hand a more ordered EEG (brain waves) is representative of a seizure. Superficially, a more complex or disordered looking (raw) pattern is a sign of healthy brain function. We humans have gotten pretty good at finding "signal" in what appears to be "noise." Those dreaded Fourier and other transforms can distinguish the contribution of different frequencies (alpha, beta, delta, etc.). It's probable that a lot (but certainly not all) of what appears to be random noise in the Universe is not - they are
just complex functions we (scientists and/or the citizenry) haven't figured out yet.
Name: TheStranger
i know that times must change
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 12:09:34
Comments:
eviva,
no, actually, though i read the middle part of 'lost in the cosmos,' it all went past me. it was incomprehensible. but the bread around the sandwich was some of the best i've tasted. on percy's fiction, seems to me that much of it is about an old, depressed alcoholic from a moneyed, southern family who eventually turns his life around with a woman half his age. same plot repeating itself in more than one book. d'ja notice?
Name: Rose Darling
@omigod what am I doing here in Florida?
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 11:46:18
Comments:
When is a study going to be done on the psychological effects of reading a psychological study with conclusions like that?
I think I am getting depressed now.Doing my best countzirO imitation:
"If a man applies Tao to himself, his virtue will be genuine;
If he applies it to his family, his virtue will be abundant;
If he applies it to his village, his virtue will be lasting;
If he applies it to his nation, his virtue will be complete;
If he applies it to the world, his virtue will be universal.
Therefore, by his person he may observe persons;
by his family he may observe families;
by his village he may observe villages;
by his country he may observe countries;
And by his world he may observe worlds."Taoist Scriptures
Tao Te Ching
Name: countzir0
multiply, then add infinitum
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 11:44:48
Comments:
Things to watch on Sunday morning television: The Wierd Al Yankovic Show, Lord Jeffery Archer helping the media commemorate the 1 year anniversary of Princess Diana's death(can't they let Di Die??), Church TV.
New York Times: After channel-surfing a most depressing array of programs this morning, and then reading your post, I realized that yes, I am a very depressed person, especially since going on line and meeting my new "cyberfriends." I just now slit both my wrists, swilled back half a bottle of sleeping pills with a Drano chaser, and am thinking about.,,,aaaaaaaaaaaall.......m mcxaas pppppppppppmkkkkkkallllkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkklsfdka''''''''ffffffffffffffffffffffngf...........
Name: Mayor Rudy
would make a great Xmas gift
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 08:10:44
Comments:
Rose D ,Glad to hear your vacation went well. You have a real United Nations outlook, and have great outreach qualities, We can use a man of your capabilities in our Metro-Reach out program. Fax me your resume, I was at Barnes-Noble and spotted the Pychotic Minstreel`s new release enititled Some Things I Think I Think, no doubt it should make him plenty of Piastras . He`ll have no excuses now, not to seek professional help.
Name: Roy.Scam
type.O.typo
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:34:58
Comments:
Doc: I of course meant to say "rookie astronomer" rather than "astrologer", but , as I view this site as a synergistic merger of the scientific and the supernatural/religious/superstitious, I've decided to let the misprint stand. It's my typing error and I'm sticking with it.
Name: Roy.Scam
the.chubby.chef.in.equality
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:18:35
Comments:
gap: Quick, get Newton and Fibonacci on the seance phone! You just illustrated that x squared + x +1 = (x+1) squared.
Doc Mu: As the rookie astrologist said, "Twenty years of schoolin' and they put you on the redshift."
Clas: Be grateful to be asparagus-like. I'm usually mistaken for some cabbage.
New York Times: That's why we need more Danfests; so that the emptiness of liking people that we haven't seen (and can't baby sit for us) doesn't elevate our all-important depression index.-- The article also is an exposition of the reasons Psych majors are usually kept in separate dorms and social circles and end up 20 years later wishing they had been Home Economics majors.
maj: Da' Tooobs. S'a beauty, eh? Weren't we recently reminiscing about their appearances on SCTV and in Playboy magazine?
My opinion on the Josie thing: Did not Rome burn once (while Nero fiddled, as I recall)? Well, if you're in a burning city and it gets to the point where your eyes are on fire, you're probably doing some pretty intense praying. It's just a metaphor for passion and immediacy. Or maybe they meant she 'preys' like a Roman; they were rather brutal and imperialistic, you know.
SEMB: An improved second-generation hydrogen atom? Wow. That's the coolest thing Hoyle said since "Don't draw to an inside straight."
Peg: I'm slow and semi-literate even at low altitudes. (Comes from having to read so much non-fiction). But I think Mark Twain would be pissed if I didn't mention that Huck Finn was probably the greatest novel ever written.
And the best thing about getting old is that I can look forward to seeing what I had to say on the Guestbook.
RS
Name: EvivaLaughs
at the New York Times
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 06:11:40
Comments:
NY Times: Thanks for sharing...I'll force myself to be depressed for fifteen minutes today in your honor :).
Oleander: You're right; I shouldn'ta done that :( --Please don't let that stop you from reading "Lost" though..If you liked "Moviegoer" you'll love it too. Since you're a doc too I think all of Percy would appeal to you--(BTW thanks for the compliment :) )
Stranger: That's me, just a tango-maniac..I did take Percy's own advice though, and skipped the middle section of "Lost in the Cosmos" after skimming through a few paragraphs of that second section on semiotics (sp?). (You must be a lot smarter than I am; I could hardly understand it at all) The first and third sections were what hooked me on Percy. You and Oleander are right on about "Moviegoer," and I liked "Love in the Ruins" even better--
Rose: Welcome back! :) Glad you enjoyed your vacation--
Name: Gap
dashdot
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 02:06:26
Comments:
Ooops--the guestbook ate my homework. Please insert the following in the last post's appropriate place.
4 x 4 = 16
4 + 5 = 9
9 + 16 = 255 x 5 = 25
Name: Gap
dotdash
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 01:58:42
Comments:
Ziro & Doc M: Speaking of the Fibonacci numbers, here's the first kiss of algebra:
2 x 2 = 4
2 + 3 = 5
4 + 5 = 93 x 3 = 9
3 + 4 = 7
7 + 9 = 1616 + 9 = 25
4 + 5 = 9
9 + 16 = 255 x 5 = 25
5 + 6 = 11
11 + 25 = 366 x 6 = 36
6 + 7 = 13
13 + 36 = 497 x 7 = 49
(ad infintum...)
Name: Schwinn
bookofthemonth
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 at 01:07:24
Comments:
Zeke: I've seen Junior play a Telecaster, National and a Strat. Was it shiny or really small? (My favorite is Junior High...)
Oleander: So glad you caught my drift.
New York Times: Damn! The Early Adopters always take the heat!
Dr. Mu: The thing one forgets is that all units of measure are based on star/moon/planetary motion. The Mayan calendar, with its "20" based numeric system, exactly mimics the 56 year Jupiter/Saturn conjunctive cycle. Likewise, the "12" based astrology of the Chinese Zodiac mirrors the 12 year orbit of Jupiter around our local star. (That's why their zodiacal signs, i.e., Tiger for example, applys to an entire year rather than a 30 day period as in Western Astrology.) Our numbers work well enough here on the fringe of the Milky Way, but applying them beyond the Oort Cloud is questionable at best. Even Hoyle knows the original Hydrogen atom is not to be confused with the one we know today.
Stranger: Is it true you're being replaced with "Ellen"?
Cool in Texas,SEMB
Name: The New York Times
this is depressing
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 23:30:09
Comments:
August 30, 1998
Researchers Find Sad, Lonely World in
CyberspaceBy AMY HARMON
In the first concentrated study of the social and psychological effects of
Internet use at home, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have
found that people who spend even a few hours a week online experience
higher levels of depression and loneliness than they would have if they
used the computer network less frequently.Those participants who were lonelier and more depressed at the start of
the two-year study, as determined by a standard questionnaire
administered to all the subjects, were not more likely to use the Internet.
Instead, Internet use itself appeared to cause a decline in psychological
well-being, the researchers said.The results of the $1.5 million project
ran completely contrary to
expectations of the social scientists
who designed it and to many of the
organizations that financed the study.
These included technology companies
like Intel Corp., Hewlett Packard, AT&T Research and Apple
Computer, as well as the National Science Foundation."We were shocked by the findings, because they are counterintuitive to
what we know about how socially the Internet is being used," said Robert
Kraut, a social psychology professor at Carnegie Mellon's Human
Computer Interaction Institute. "We are not talking here about the
extremes. These were normal adults and their families, and on average,
for those who used the Internet most, things got worse."The Internet has been praised as superior to television and other "passive"
media because it allows users to choose the kind of information they want
to receive, and often, to respond actively to it in the form of e-mail
exchanges with other users, chat rooms or electronic bulletin board
postings.Research on the effects of watching television indicates that it tends to
reduce social involvement. But the new study, titled "HomeNet," suggests
that the interactive medium may be no more socially healthy than older
mass media. It also raises troubling questions about the nature of "virtual"
communication and the disembodied relationships that are often formed in
the vacuum of cyberspace.Participants in the study used inherently social features like e-mail and
Internet chat more than they used passive information gathering like
reading or watching videos. But they reported a decline in interaction with
family members and a reduction in their circles of friends that directly
corresponded to the amount of time they spent online.At the beginning and end of the two-year study, the subjects were asked
to agree or disagree with statements like "I felt everything I did was an
effort," and "I enjoyed life" and "I can find companionship when I want it."
They were also asked to estimate how many minutes each day they spent
with each member of their family and to quantify their social circle. Many
of these are standard questions in tests used to determine psychological
health.For the duration of the study, the subjects' use of the Internet was
recorded. For the purposes of this study, depression and loneliness were
measured independently, and each subject was rated on a subjective
scale. In measuring depression, the responses were plotted on a scale of
0 to 3, with 0 being the least depressed and 3 being the most depressed.
Loneliness was plotted on a scale of 1 to 5.By the end of the study, the researchers found that one hour a week on
the Internet led, on average, to an increase of .03, or 1 percent, on the
depression scale, a loss of 2.7 members of the subject's social circle,
which averaged 66 people, and an increase of .02, or four-tenths of 1
percent, on the loneliness scale.The subjects exhibited wide variations in all three measured effects, and
while the net effects were not large, they were statistically significant in
demonstrating deterioration of social and psychological life, Kraut said.Based on these data, the researchers
hypothesize that relationships maintained over
long distances without face-to-face contact
ultimately do not provide the kind of support and
reciprocity that typically contribute to a sense of
psychological security and happiness, like being
available to baby-sit in a pinch for a friend, or to grab a cup of coffee."Our hypothesis is there are more cases where you're building shallow
relationships, leading to an overall decline in feeling of connection to other
people," Kraut said.The study tracked the behavior of 169 participants in the Pittsburgh area
who were selected from four schools and community groups. Half the
group was measured through two years of Internet use, and the other half
for one year. The findings will be published this week by The American
Psychologist, the peer-reviewed monthly journal of the American
Psychological Association.Because the study participants were not randomly selected, it is unclear
how the findings apply to the general population. It is also conceivable
that some unmeasured factor caused simultaneous increases in use of the
Internet and decline in normal levels of social involvement. Moreover, the
effect of Internet use varied depending on an individual's life patterns and
type of use. Researchers said that people who were isolated because of
their geography or work shifts might have benefited socially from Internet
use.Even so, several social scientists familiar with the study vouched for its
credibility and predicted that the findings would probably touch off a
national debate over how public policy on the Internet should evolve and
how the technology itself might be shaped to yield more beneficial effects."They did an extremely careful scientific study, and it's not a result that's
easily ignored," said Tora Bikson, a senior scientist at Rand, the research
institution. Based in part on previous studies that focused on how local
communities like Santa Monica, Calif., used computer networks to
enhance civic participation, Rand has recommended that the federal
government provide e-mail access to all Americans."It's not clear what the underlying psychological explanation is," Ms.
Bikson said of the study. "Is it because people give up day-to-day contact
and then find themselves depressed? Or are they exposed to the broader
world of Internet and then wonder, 'What am I doing here in Pittsburgh?'
Maybe your comparison standard changes. I'd like to see this replicated
on a larger scale. Then I'd really worry."Christine Riley, a psychologist at Intel Corp., the giant chip manufacturer
that was among the sponsors of the study, said she was surprised by the
results but did not consider the research definitive."For us, the point is there was really no information on this before," Ms.
Riley said. "But it's important to remember this is not about the
technology, per se; it's about how it is used. It really points to the need for
considering social factors in terms of how you design applications and
services for technology."The Carnegie Mellon team -- which included Sara Kiesler, a social
psychologist who helped pioneer the study of human interaction over
computer networks; Tridas Mukophadhyay, a professor at the graduate
business school who has examined computer mediated communication in
the workplace; and William Scherlis, a research scientist in computer
science -- stressed that the negative effects of Internet use that they found
were not inevitable.For example, the main focus of Internet use in schools has been gathering
information and getting in touch with people from far-away places. But the
research suggests that maintaining social ties with people in close physical
proximity could be more psychologically healthy."More intense development and deployment of services that support
pre-existing communities and strong relationships should be encouraged,"
the researchers write in their forthcoming article. "Government efforts to
wire the nation's schools, for example, should consider online homework
sessions for students rather than just online reference works."At a time when Internet use is expanding rapidly -- nearly 70 million adult
Americans are on line, according to Nielsen Media Research -- social
critics say the technology could exacerbate the fragmentation of U.S.
society or help to fuse it, depending on how it is used."There are two things the Internet can turn out to be, and we don't know
yet which it's going to be," said Robert Putnam, a political scientist at
Harvard University whose forthcoming book, "Bowling Alone," which is
to be published next year by Simon & Schuster, chronicles the alienation
of Americans from each other since the 1960s. "The fact that I'm able to
communicate daily with my collaborators in Germany and Japan makes
me more efficient, but there are a lot of things it can't do, like bring me
chicken soup."Putnam added, "The question is how can you push computer mediated
communication in a direction that would make it more community
friendly."Perhaps paradoxically, several participants in the Internet study expressed
surprise when they were informed of the study's conclusions by a
reporter."For me it's been the opposite of depression; it's been a way of being
connected," said Rabbi Alvin Berkun, who used the Internet for a few
hours a week to read The Jerusalem Post and communicate with other
rabbis across the country.But Berkun said his wife did not share his enthusiasm for the medium.
"She does sometimes resent when I go and hook up," he said, adding
after a pause, "I guess I am away from where my family is while I'm on
the computer." Another possibility is that the natural human preference for
face-to-face communication may provide a self-correcting mechanism to
the technology that tries to cross it.The rabbi's daughter, Rebecca, 17, said she had spent a fair amount of
time in teen-age chat rooms at the beginning of the survey in 1995."I can see how people would get depressed," Ms. Berkun said. "When
we first got it, I would be on for an hour a day or more. But I found it was
the same type of people, the same type of things being said. It got kind of
old."
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Name: TheStranger
a special lack of grace
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 23:16:31
Comments:
rose darling,
i admit it. you're a bright babe. what's the difference between a cult and a religion? a religion is a cult that achieved success. their chief dingbat holy man then becomes a respected & revered icon. ratings, kid. it's all about ratings.
Name: critic
excellent book
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 22:38:39
Comments:
Shibumi, by Trevanian
Name: Zeke
spike@eatel.net
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 21:31:07
Comments:
Earth: Where Y'at? Sounds like a good time. The Doobies are scheduled to play 2 shows at a casino in Biloxi. Whaaa?
What the hell is that guitar called that Jr. Brown plays. It's kinda cool. I'd like to see it in Jeff Beck's hands. I'm making plans for the Telluride festival in June '99. Saw Marcia Ball last night @ HOB's. Awesome! I saw the Doobs at the Jazz Fest this year,
Michael was heavy into the Alan Toussaint show.Jive: Right on. Gaucho freakin' rules. I can't wait for the CD and the tour, Maybe the band will pass thru the Big Easy.
There's a new arena across from the Super Dome, it should be a great place to play.
Late.
Name: peg
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 21:02:35
Comments:
Hey Oleander - I was hoping you'd post before I placed my Amazon order. Thanks!
Name: oleander
double helix in the sky tonight
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 20:49:15
Comments:
Stranger--Thanx for the dr. joke, I think. Fortunately, I'm not a surgeon, so I can snigger. The only Percy I've read so far is Moviegoer, which was terrific. When I get off my Pynchon jag, I'll start back on him. Right on about Rand--sorry, YGK. And I LOVE BC--where did you go?
Mu--Your description of entropy as "serene disorder" was perfect. Actually, entropy is one of Pynchon's themes in V., Slow Learner, and Gravity's Rainbow, and he aptly points out that it is not really the inexorable drive to DISorder, but to the ultimate order--complete homeostasis, when all the energy has diffused completely and there is no longer any movement. BTW, ditto on Gadd. Man, you can even make playing with your food into an incredible scientific adventure. I envy your kids.
Eviva--Damn! I hate when people give away the end!
fezo--uh, did I tell you that I moonlight as a bartender?
Schwinn--are you angling for a kinder, gentler universe?
Count--from the double helix to the nebula, it's there for all to see.
YGK--see above. There are many definitions of "heroic," and unnumbered places more interesting than Rand's work to find it. And approval by the NYT BR doesn't guide my reading, though I love to read it.
Jive--Hey man, welcome back. Right on re Gaucho. One of the main things that helped carry me through med school.
Caveman--That was lovely. Really.
Peg--don't go yet! Good vacation reads: any of Tony Hillerman's Chee/ Leaphorn mysteries. Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Toole's Confederacy of Dunces (I know, I know, I'm getting monotonous). Gloria Naylor's Mama Day. Any of Louise Erdrich's and Michael Dorris' books, starting with Love Medicine. Pynchon's Crying of Lot 49, or the short stories, Slow Learner. There's one story in the latter, The Secret Integration, which will knock your socks off. Card's Ender's Game or Songmaster. Gibson's Neuromancer. Ondaatje's English Patient. How long did you say you have?
Name: countzir0
From ravenous delight to perfunctory blight,,,.
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 17:55:00
Comments:
Rose: Welcome back, Darlin. Didn't mean to embarass you, just following thru with my promises. Oh, and you just HAD to get me back with the "don't quit your day job" thing. WELL....you did compliment me in the following sentence, so I GUESS I forgive you. Good to see you back, and as you can see, nothing's changed here in the GB. It seems that some of our regular posters have retreated to anonymous names, but the same quips, insults, slurs abound as usual.
Dr. Mu: Don't you think it interesting that the equation occurs not only in biological situations, but in non-biological situations also? My feeble mind finds it perplexing....if you read that site that I mentioned earlier you find that artists, musicians, architects have possibly used The Golden Mean in their works. Names of note are Stradivarius, Da Vinci, Mozart, Durer. Some of it seems to be a bit of a stretch, however...
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecriser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 16:56:13
Comments:
Peg....it's not too heavy but for a good ghost/love story try Stephen King's new one, Bag of Bones.
for non-fiction that'll scare the hell out of you but get you thinking The Hot Zone just came out in paperback. The ebola virus was right here with us but we got lucky.
Enjoy your vacation!
Name: Rose Darling
@Not The We Are the World Guestbook
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 15:13:50
Comments:
Back from Connecticut. My sister in law has been appropriately bon voyaged into her forties. Lucky her, looking as good at forty as many women will never look at twenty five.
I go away for a week, and when I come back, I should have brought a physics degree or metaphysics degree or whatthef@#k degree with me or what??? Guess I'm the only junior college graduate in THIS crowd. As far as the Big Bang goes, it's about to happen to my head...
Thanks to all who made it easy for me to scroll quickly through several posts I could never fathom... caught me up quicker !Don't worry Peg, MY brain processing unit has less in the hard drive than yours ! Have a bueno vez en Mexico !
Despite its psychotic and vile content, I must admit that I actually liked the original (as well as the latest) P. Minstel's poem for its form and flow and conveying of wretched emotion. So sue me ! ( But don't use fezo as I'm sure he knows his stuff.) If taking a walk on the dark side could be limited to only exploring it in words, perhaps Minstrel's poem wouldn't offend so. Seems there is always an argument in this GB going on around intention vs. action...
YGK:
Applauding your post to Peg defending the content of Rand.Jive Miguel: Welcome back???
Nice to meetcha. Glad to see someone capable of writing paragraphs for easy comprehension ! Thanks for deflating my head (this IS meant as a compliment.)Stranger:
Glad you're still around. Curiously, using your definition, does this mean we GBers are also cultists then?CountzirO:
AW MAN now you've gone and done it and got me all embarrassed like in front of all these nice people !!!
(((((((((((((((((dabbing tears)))))))))))))))))))) Nice poetic serenade.
Liked the Alfalfa-Darla ending. Keep your day job, though. Also liked your choice of words describing Fagen's voice.Eviva:
I have no tan to speak of to post here. But thanks for the warm words said about me posts and posts ago...Dr. Mu: I do agree with points you made on Aug. 20th. However.. If I was to go back and scroll through a million posts and read what Clas did in the past, as you suggest, what am I supposed to do about it now, in your humble opinion? Should an Anti-Clas Alliance be enacted? Would you like police intervention? In other words, can someone sum up what the point of the crusade is please (leave out any physics) ? And should there be a death penalty for flame mail as well?
Anyone:
What is the True Companion to which you refer?
Name: DrMu
ahundredgrand
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 13:49:24
Comments:
Countzir0112358132134... Thanks for the ref.
Forgot about old Senore Fibonacci. Those Fibonacci numbers are one of a number of mathematical series commonly expressed
in nature (here you add the last number and the previous number together to get the next number). It's kind of a
logarithmic scale which is distinct from the natural
log (ln) scale often expressed in biological systems
(it's similar that Fibonacci in that it's related to repetitive addition or a series) which involves doubling or halving of a quantity or concentration. Hey, I just tried
making concentric circles of grapes with my 3 year old
son and we came up with this series:1,6,12,19,27...
get it?
Name: countzir0
@hangin' out with my friend Soma
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 12:28:47
Comments:
To anyone who cares: Gibson was on "Strange Universe" last nite for about half a minute; an end of the week show to get everyone riled up for a large segment appearing on next week's Monday evening show. It seems that a new cult calling themselves "Cyberpunks" are hailing him as their leader. Imagine that--a Steely Dan fanatic has become a cult leader. Stranger things have happened...
Dr. Mu: No, that's not what I'm talking about. Just check this shit out--http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html
it's a pretty good site on the subject of Fibonacci numbers. You ever seen the spiral shape in conch shells? Well, it seems that the same equation occurs in galaxies thousands of light years away. Some say it's the fingerprint of a higher being...I'm not sure if I subscribe to that or not, but it's definitely interesting as hell to read about.
Stranger: I started reading Rand when I was about seventeen. Finished "Fountainhead" and "Anthem" and found them somewhat inspiring at such a naive and unworldly age. Tried reading "Atlas Shrugged" a few years later and found it about exciting as a package of Sominex. And Stephen King's books tend to make me run to the medicine cabinet for my Immodium-AD. That's why I've decided to stick with Soma...
Geena: Now, where are you?? Vacation?
Name: deacondave
2ndhandbooks.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 11:28:12
Comments:
Peg: (my vote for vacation read) If you'd like to let your mind take a vacation too, try some of John D. MacDonald's works. Travis McGee is the best. They are in the genre of cheap detecive novels, but there is something about them that makes them stand head and shoulders above most of the others. They're getting a little hard to find. But if you do find a cache, and you haven't read them all already, grab an armload, because the adventures of Salvage Consultant McGee are perfect vacation fodder. And you can read one in an afternoon.
Name: KOKOPELLI
I am many things, to many peoples.
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 08:13:20
Comments:
OF themultitde of miscellaneous drawings,paintings and scratchings on the rocks and in the caves of the pre-Columbian people of the Southwest ,only one anthropomorphic subject can claim both an identity and a proper name as well as gender.Without question ,that figure is definitely male. My frequent and widespread appearance on pottery and pictography suggest that i was well travelled and a universally recognized diety of considerable potentcy. I am the personification of legend ,a beneficent God to some and a confounded nuisance to others. I am KOKOPELLI, the famous hunchedback flute player the Kilroy of Hohokam, a rain God, I am thousands of years old but figuratively speaking very much in the present. You can see and feel my presence in Arizona and Utah ,which are a lot closer than Spain.....
Name: Mayor Rudy
City Dweller not Cave Dweller
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 07:36:14
Comments:
Caveman, i`m familar with that cave , I know it is in Spain,I`m not sure what provence it`s in, i heard the drawings were still in good shape, Have you ever heard of KOKOPELLI casanova of the Cliff Dwellers ? Hint he is pictured as a hunchedbacked flute player.
Name: Outre Daniel
Steele@ILY.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 05:24:45
Comments:
Peg-
If your still taking book requests and are thinking seriously about Ayn Rand, may I suggest a book called Anthem. Although The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are viewed as her masterworks, (and rightfully so) it is probably best to acquaint ones self with Miss Rand and her Philosophy of Objectivism through this, her first novel. For one thing, it is easily 1/5th the size of Atlas.. or The Fountainhead, an easy read for someone of your obvious intellect. ("gas chromatographs with ultra sensitive separation capabilities" indeed) On a very simple level it is the story of two people risking everything to be together. If you don't wish to read anymore into it than that, it may be a fine choice for vegging on the beach with a drink in one hand and a three year old in the other. On the other hand, anything even potentially thought provoking, might be more than your vacationing brain will accept. Perhaps a Harlequin Romance or a Grisham excursion would more suit your ticket. (Hey sometimes a Quarter Pounder Extra Value Meal hits a spot that Steak Diane will never know.)Brief disclaimer: The last time I read Rand I was much younger, practically devoid of responsibility, and intensely idealistic. Maybe the Monkees were the great philostophers (sic) of our time. Remember "Shades of Gray?"
O.D.
Name: GB Caveman
@beyond the garden wall
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 at 03:49:18
Comments:
"See the glory": thank U, i didn't know about those 2 websites...
Name: RubyBaby
we love St.@l
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 23:04:29
Comments:
Peg: I hope I'm not too late - my book suggestion to you is:
I Was Amelia Earheart, by Jane Menndelsohn. It's poetic, but not boring. It's such a damn cool story. And you can drink Margaritas and still enjoy it! The first line is, "The sky is flesh..."Dr.Mu: I can picture you in your corvette-house (red) in the middle of a hurricane, with your fine sound system cranking out TOM and some smooth blended whiskey (not too much, just enough to stay comfortable) while she rages on and on. You laugh and ride it out in style, baby. Then you write a scientific paper about it ( a real snoozer) but you win the coveted Neils Bohr Award in physics. Then come the endorsements...
rb
Name: Alley Oop
scratchingmyloincloth
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 21:06:26
Comments:
Caveman: Those aren't drawings at all. They are early "airbrush" renderings. The artist filled the space between his cheek and gum with red ochre and "spit" the pigment on the cave walls. We know this because the artist almost always signed his work with an outline of his hand. The diffusion evident in the spray pattern around his hand lead to this discovery. Also, it's been duplicated by the researcher who postulated it. Very cool. Think he can do some flames on Schwinn's gas tank?
Climbing the Garden Wall,
Oop
Name: Ayn Rand
@Atlas Bugged
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 21:01:37
Comments:
Stranger and YGK:
Now now boys. It's not NICE to try to fool...Mother NATE-CHAHHH!!!
Name: Big Fan
late@nite
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 20:56:24
Comments:
Peggy,
Have a nice trip south of the border.
My favorite author since Tolkien and CS lewis died is anything by the Canadian author Charles deLint, esp. his earlier works. He writes urban fantasy stuff now and is quite an accomplished musician. He is also very female friendly in his portrails of hero(ines). If you are so inclined by that sort of thing. I see Steven King at some U of Maine womens bball games from time to time - my generic US favorite for horror esp his Drawing of the Three series. Not much on content, but fun to read. Have always loved John Irving. You know he really is/was a very good wrestler.I hear the dogs they have working at the border now are geneticaly engineered so be careful with what you carry.
Name: See the glory
enscribed in sand
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 20:36:07
Comments:
read
http://www.clark.net/pub/jumpsam/jewels/altamira.htmand
look
http://www.unesco.org//whc/sites/310.htm
Name: GB Caveman
I hide inside a hall of rock and sand
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 19:36:13
Comments:
OK, since this is poetry week on the GB, i get to ask for feedback on this. Wrote it awhile ago after 1st hearing "Altamira," Looking up the word i found out there's only ONE actual cave w/ drawings in Altamira, which the Dan obviously knew...those 2 just blow me away.
requesting honest feedback...yah, i'm a coward, but it lets you be honest too. mayor and psycho hereby disqualified.
The Caves of AltamiraThese ancient colored drawings underground
Recall our other firelit gardens' gold
Where twice we scrawled on walls and later found
Some innocence seemed just too hard to hold
Name: TheStranger
no more pain & no regrets
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:44:22
Comments:
jive miguel,
welcome back. just returned from b.c. myself and yeah, with u.s. dollars it was cheap. were you one of those native boys carrying around my safari equipment out in the bush? sorry i forgot to leave a tip. i got so dreadfully busy swilling gin and shooting elephants.
Name: DrMu
theyjustkeeppullin'meback
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:28:25
Comments:
Jive: Welcome back! What's your source. Gaucho is an
album of clever songs (how about the ones that didn't make it) with awesome arrangements, and impeccable engineering. It's picky but I'd like to hear the album remixed and Wendell nixed...Gadd on all songs.
Name: DrMu
Imissedmycue
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:22:54
Comments:
Schwinn: as the great ones sang: "...any MINOR
world that breaks apart falls together agai - hain" The last
word must be sung as 2 syllables
Name: TheStranger
think i don't see that ditch out in the valley?
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:22:04
Comments:
peg,
rand fans are cultists. and like all cultists, when someone points out that they're devoting themselves to bullshit, they contend that only they are smart enough to get it. rand played one fucking note over and over. you've got to be nuts or have access to better dope than i do to dig that note.ykg, listen, of course i don't resent your reading rand. i just resent your recommending her without at least warning the recomendee that she was a boring, tendentious, loudmouthed nut who thought it serves orphans right if they starve. might as well just listen to that chubby right-wing tv-radio fuck with the ugly ties. same difference.
hmm, what's with all the black holes and stuff?
Name: Jive Miguel
bstevens@sd22.bc.ca
Location: Vernon, BC Canada
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:06:37
Comments:
Greetings and saluatations one and all! I have been away from this remarkable page for about 1 year and am anxious to get caught up on the latest ramblings. I hear that the new album is about 4-6 months from release (as long as no tracks are "accidentally" erased) and that a summer of '99 tour is in the works and will include, once again, a visit to the Pacific Northwest, including Canada! The way our dollar is doing right now, anyone of you Yankees could sojourn north for a Steely weekend and it would cost you about $5 american (not quite, but you get the picture!)
Anyhow, one observation I have had of late is how universally Gaucho is labelled by critics as a poor SD effort, generally citing how the album is too slick, too smooth, in general, too boring. Bullshit! Gaucho is one of the finest albums ever written, performed, produced and engineered by anyone and is a far greater finished product than any group has produced in recent memory and certainly far better than anything that has ever come out of the UK (and that obviously includes the Stones and the Beatles).
Everyone has their own tastes and preferences (thank God) but who are these critics kidding? Themselves??? I truly think that music critics have a love/hate relationship with SD's body of work: Loving how much they enjoy "reviewing" these pieces of art, but hating how much it reminds them of their own inadequacies as musicians and as creative performers/artists!
Steely Dan produced a body of work second to none in the realm of popular music and the sheer idea that two "street-types" from NY/NJ that never gave in to "popular-pressures" were solely responsible sends chills up the spines of all music "critics"!
Tough shit! Get over your own problems and weaknesses, Steely Dan is/was the greatest popular music "group" of all time!
Just a thought
Jive!
Name: DrMu
dazedattheduderanch
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 17:05:34
Comments:
Countziro: “...same mathematical spiral recurs in galaxies, seashells, and budding flowers and leaves.” may be referring to the complex mathematics concept of fractals. In “chaos” or better complexity theory, fractals are constructs of order which emerge from the complex signals (often mis-interpreted as “noise”) on repeated patterns with increasing or decreasing levels (such as size). For example, the geometry of twigs coming off a small branch of an oak tree is similar, but just smaller in scale, than large branches protruding from the trunk. There are a number of similar examples in the body including the branching of arteries --> arterioles --> capillaries and the branching of airways in the lungs from the trachea down to the alveoli (air sacs). Comples numbers are expressed as: a + b•i where a and b are real numbers and i=the square root of -1 (don’t blow up your calculators trying that!). The product of b•i is and “imaginary number.” Solving problems which involve comples numbers is a real pain in the ass for a human (i’ve managed to avoid doing this for the past 15 years and am damn proud of it), but a breeze for a computer as solving such non-sense involves numerous “iterations” or repetitions. The problem with this non-sense is that it turned out to be a great model for many natural phenomenon including weather (all the computer models at NWS use this now). Michael Chrichton does a good job (well as far as I can tell) in explaining chaos or complexity theory through the Malcolm character in the Juraissic Park series.
Schwinn: You’ve raised some interesting points, the answers to most of which are way beyond my comprehension, but I won’t let that stop me from throwing in my 2 piasters. Ther is some thought that black holes may be some kind of “wormhole.” But there’s no telling what the state of matter or when or where one would be upon emerging.
There is some empirical evidence, but not absolute proof of dark matter - Einstein believed in it. What it means I’m not sure. This part of astronomy is a real forensic science heavily dependent on some empirical data, mathematical theories, extrapolation, and ddeductive reasoning (like Sherlock Holmes). One of the coolest things I’ve seen out of the Hubble is the emergence of new stars from gas in Nebulae. The patterns appear to be fractal in nature to me. This flies in the face of the Hoyle theorem at least at the “local” space level. Order out of disorder.
Your diffusion theory also relies on the thought that entropy or increasing disorder is the primary drive in the Universe. Diffusion, by the way has to do with molecules posessing enough kinetic energy,directly related to the temperature, mo move, vibrate and bounce around. Will all the bouncing eventually just by “random walk” molecules will on average re-distribute themselves from higher concentrations to lower concentrations. However, this only happens is a “vaccum” or by itself only in a teaching lab setting (i.e., in a container).
In the real world , these things are subject to mass movement (like blood moving in a vessel), geometry, heat and other energy sources. The Universe over time (hell I can extrapolate too) seems to have become more not less complex, or should I say sophisticated, in many ways as heavier and more varied atoms have been formed over time (supposedly it all started with hydrogen and helium - we live on essentially an molten iron ball with a silicon crust), and the shape of the galaxies is more sophisticated. The same sould be said for evolution from simple to complex. Anyway, the point is that the Universe has an enormous and mysterious force for creating ordered and complex things and another force - entropy hoping for a serene disorder, but that will not happen, just as it doesn’t in life...Pretzel Logic indeed! yin vs. yang; God vs. devil?? Well, my neurons are shot for a while - time for golden slumbers.
Name: al bundy
@that's all husbands are good for, peg.
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 16:22:32
Comments:
Have fun in mexico Peg, I have to stay here and sell
overpriced "hoops" tennis shoes. Let me understand this
correctly, $200 bucks for tennis shoes, $20 bucks for
Steely Dan CD. Something smells here.
Name: psychotic minstrel
don't feel bad mayor...
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 15:21:03
Comments:
it'll be ok, Rudy boy, you still got your health, right?
Houdini-- neet hobby.
Name: mWorld
khillman@lightspeed.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 15:20:26
Comments:
Big Fan: If you're hanging out, drop me an email.
Doc: You're showing your age with those soundboard/backwards hat comments...pretty funny stuff, man.
Peg: I'm still on the Mountain Adventure kick, how's about "Seven Summits" By Dick Bass and Frank Wells, I'm enjoying it...you gonna look up Cuervo down there? I still have his address...
Murtha: Heard Patricia Barber? You'd like (I think), from Hoops windy city...
Clas: Sure...what do you need?
If Chinese music sets 'em free, they ought to try Chinese food for lunch...
-mW
Name: Mayor Rudy
Approval ratings
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 14:38:30
Comments:
Well Guest book, it looks like my popularity has deminished. Psycho is not impressed with my job performance, this is very troubling, i`m going to consider my options , and possible resignation before my self esteem is permanantly affected. trying to weather the storm while reading the Latest polls.
Name: YGK
..
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 13:00:48
Comments:
Peg: with all due respect for equal time, Rand was a philosopher first and novelist second - who basically promoted a philosophy of self-sufficiency, and who's novels contains heroic characters, the likes of whom many people have trouble reading about. Her novels were New York Times best-sellers back in the 50's and 60's (I think), and her works still draw a steady crowd of readers, even today.
many avid novel-readers who think short have trouble reading Rand who does write long and does in-depth studies of her characters and their ethical situations. These short-sighted readers also have difficulty reading anything heroic, as they cannot imagine anything heroic in today's world. Don't let the small minded keep you down, or, from reading NYTimes Book Reveiw approved, critically acclaimed work.
Name: Psycho you must be Houdini
@get to chillin'
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 11:44:06
Comments:
I was talking to an old friend of mine the other day, that
I hadn't seen for awhile and he asked what I'd been up to.
He says"So how have you been?"
"NOT BAD."
"What have you been doin with yourself?"
"Oh, I've found myself a new hobby."
"A hobby? What kind of hobby?"
"I keep psychos."
"You keep psychos? Where do you keep them?"
"In my house. Where did you think?"
"In your house?" Right here he looks a bit weirded out.
I said "I keep them in my cellar."
"IN YOUR CELLAR? Don't they try to hurt you?"
I said "Nope, I keep them in a closet in my cellar."
"IN A CLOSET! Don't they attack you when you open the door!"
I said " Don't be silly, I keep them in a freezer with a lid on it."
"With a lid on it? Don't they die?
So I told him, "Fuck'em it's only a hobbie."
Name: psychotic minstrel
thumbing the blood from my nose
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:58:44
Comments:
my deamons are my own, mayor. I have no interest in those of Manson, be he a cultist leader or a sexualy confused rock star. of poetics: if you recall (or just scroll down long enough) the earliest of my posts layed out my offer of competition and stated my willingness for you to "take the first swing" (ring a bell?) which, with a great many blustering words you agreed to. since then you have showed me nothing but prose and some kind of fantasy about your dick in my mouth. to be sure, I am as little impressed by you as you are by me.
Geena- I'm not sure if this means anything yet, but it came to me when I read your post. it is tragicly basic, but hey...
glory flies on dingy wings
found in the
stolen horde of conquest.
honor walks with
a stiffened back
to the gallows
built by pride.
history is but the
whim of man
who writes what
he percieves.
death is but the final
truth
which cannot be denied
Name: June
@I'd like to order something cool
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:24:09
Comments:
Cause the weather's so hot and so is this here guestbook.
How bout it fellas, buy a girl a drink?
Name: Monica Loo
BigGulp@Large.Net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:02:22
Comments:
hey Spikey! hey Goldie! Didja catch the brown and gold Valentino tie Big Boris wore for his televised interview today? That was one of the ones I gave him !!! I told him to wear that one for me on days when he has "the blues" !!! tell Mattie, okay? M
Name: peg
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 10:01:23
Comments:
Oh no, not the cia lab! They must have one of those new gas chromatographs with ultra sensitive separation capabilities. I wonder if the tech paid attention to any of those other peaks that must have come off. Man, you just can't get away with anything anymore!
Name: TheStranger
first let's get off this highway
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:51:10
Comments:
peg,
i sent to the cia lab for a surreptitiously collected sample of your brain tissue. among the findings was above average intelligence and a definite compatibility with 'lost in the cosmos.' but 'cosmos' contains a middle part on metaphysics percy actually recommends you skip which i should have skipped. for a good percy novel, try 'the moviegoer.' incidentally, the lab also found evidence of suspicious cannabis detrius which we will have to pursue further.with all due respect to crackpots, rand was a nut who made a good living espousing an insanely unforgiving right-wing philosophy in lengthy, lengthy books. bad novelists who write short are much better than bad novelists who write long. give her a pass.
eviva, you go for percy? you tango-maniac devil, you.
Name: peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:11:11
Comments:
Wow, thanks for all the recommendations. Keep 'em coming - I'll make a trip to the bookstore next week and load up my suitcase and... hey, I could end up with one heavy suitcase. That's OK, that's what husbands are for, right?
YGK: we're going to Ixtapa.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 09:03:48
Comments:
Peg: I recommend a truly inspirational tale - The Fountainhead, by Rand. Ciderhouse is Cool - Hotel New Hampshire ,*ahem* is 'Hooveresque'.
OK-what town in Mexico?
ygk
Name: countzir0
Fibonacci Say: Spiral your FAMILIARITY or WASTE PARADICE (sic)
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 07:11:19
Comments:
Geena: As Bret Easton Ellis said in his post-adolescent novel "Less than Zero," I've "disappeared here."
Dr. Mu: All this jabbering on the subject of physics and galaxies jolted my mind back to my studies of The Golden Mean and Fibonacci spirals. His theorem of Golden rectangles proves that the same mathematical spiral recurs in galaxies, seashells, and budding flowers and leaves. What are your thoughts on the subject, kind doctor?
Peg: I'd recommend anything by Irving. "Ciderhouse" is good, but personally I felt that "Hotel New Hampshire" was a more enjoyable read. Pat Conroy's "Lords of Discipline" is also an excellent read, and Conroy has a wonderful mastery of the English language. I also recently discovered an author by the name of Gary Jennings, author of "The Journeyer," a historical fiction about the travels of Marco Polo(and one of the best books I've ever read) and "Aztec"(one of the books I'm currently reading). I've decided that anything Jennings touches turns to gold, but be forewarned, his books run in the page-range of thousands--so get ready for a long read if you choose him. And if you haven't read any William Gibson, make SURE you check out "Neuromancer"--an unbelievably splendorous book.
New Kid: "Hello, my arch-nemesis, Simon/Wrong Guestbook...I see you've resurfaced again. And I've just succeeded in composing a post purely Danless in content. How about that?"
Name: Mitch
did you find tour groove
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 06:33:37
Comments:
New Kid: Where can you go, other than Walmart for your one stop shopping of information . The past week alone you have expierienced conversation by potential Nobel Scientists, future New York Times Book Reviewers, Lawyers that can do Stand-up comedy. Doctors that could do network news and yes even a psycho -poet that could be walking the streets. Is this the Cornucopia of talent or what, hang out a while, just like Stella you can get your groove here.
Name: fezo
dark.side.of.my.mood
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 05:39:12
Comments:
Ole: I've never told a doctor joke. I got too many pals who are physicians and would feel like I was insulting them indirectly if I cracked on their profession. Most of my jokes involve bartenders and young innocent girls just off the farm
Peg: Clas is dead on with his recommendation of "Ciderhouse". As I think I've posted here before, I believe it's one of the best books ever written. One warning, though. The first 100 pages are a bit obtuse, but if you wade through them, you will be handsomely rewarded with a classic tale.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@"Come back. Come back. Come back."
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 03:12:47
Comments:
Stranger: Yeah! Another Walker Percy fan on this GB! Yes, it was "Lost in the Cosmos" --so funny and thought provoking at the same time. The end was the best part: "Come back" over and over.
Chilling.Peg: How dare you talk about your brain like that! :) Seriously, you'll love it. Have a great time in....Mexico! **envious snif**
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 02:19:16
Comments:
stranger: is this w.percy stuff something a wee brain like mine could handle?
Clas: thanks for the suggestions
Name: Schwinn
thetruthaboutbrenda
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 01:24:19
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Let's get to the point. Nature loves to exploit her successful systems, i.e., diffusion. (The migration of material through a permeable membrane from greater concentration to lesser concentration.) I mention this because I have yet to see any evidence of a "Big Bang" in nature; proof that it is a successful system. Can you give me an example of anything that explodes, slows and eventually reassembles (accretes) in the natural world? Not outside of theory, Doc. But all I need is a microscope to see diffusion at work almost everywhere in the business of life--and not even an electron scope. In fact, forget the scopes all together and take a deep breath. You have now become conscious of an autonomic process--an exchange of material. Bodhisattva. Now exhale and feed the go-trees...
Hoyle's Steady State theory of the Universe is very close to correct. It was confirmed the first time material was observed being ejected from a "Black Hole". Physics taught me that not even light itself could escape the intense gravity of a black hole--but there are numerous OBSERVABLE contradictions to this maxim. So what do I trust, Doc? What I can see with my own eyes or what some Cornell grad student tells me I COULD see if I had the right equipment?
I have this vision of a Universe no bigger than the gray matter inside my head. A Universe where I can see only 10% of what is there because 90% is busy constructing the next frame. (That shape is my shade.) Physicists talk about the preponderence of "dark" matter in the universe--in affect acknowledging their own ignorance of themselves and once again, placing the human species outside of nature. Who can relax and actually envision a future when our destiny is wrapped up in the violence of a once and future "Big Bang"? It is an unacceptable concept completely at odds with what we can see with our own eyes.
Kick Starting for a Change,
SEMB
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 at 00:56:06
Comments:
Minah; yeah I saw your post. But my question is: do you want to participate on a CD with GBook regulars? Ygk is in, Roy Scam and me. Maybe we could convince Kinky too. I'm serious about it. And it's all on my expense.
YGK; ok, RubyBaby has my address. Good!
Peg; Irvings "The Ciderhouse Rules". And Peter Hoegs "Miss Smillas sense for snow". Great books. Or Barney Hoskyns "Waiting for the Sun", it's about the rock and jazz-scene in Los Angeles from the 50s to the 90s.
Have a good time! (Guadalajara?)
Name: TheStranger
who finished the cuervo?
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 23:01:38
Comments:
oleander,
seems like all i'm ever doing is praising you these days, but your (very recent, about 2 to 5 messages down from this one) explanation to nu kid about what this board is about was succinct, clear, and poetic. i would've just told him to fuck off. anyway, ever read walker percy? another literate medico. i strongly recommend his 'lost in the cosmos' (i think it was called). brilliant, funny philosophical nonfiction.
Name: TheStranger
here at the lewd ranch
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 22:50:21
Comments:
enough about lawyers.
oleander,
2 things you don't want to hear while you're on the operating table.
1. save that. we'll need it for the autopsy
or ....
2. accept this sacrifice, oh prince of darkness.
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 22:49:54
Comments:
I'm going on vacation (yeah!) to Mexico in about a week, for a week, and was hoping to get some suggestions from you guys for reading materials. Since I don't get many opportunities to read anymore, I'd like to use this vacation as an opportunity to try out some material I might not otherwise read. All that matters to me is that it not be too 'deep' - I'm on vacation, after all, and don't want to rack my brain. And since my 3-year old will be with us, and there will be waiters bringing a constant flow of freshly blended margaritas, it's got to be something that can withstand repeated interruptions.
All suggestions are appreciated!
Name: oleander
the laws of curved spacetime
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 20:13:48
Comments:
Mu & Midnite--I love it when you talk like that.
Geena--With the cake? Kinky, of course.
Clas--Sorry. I was just swept away. Blame it on red shift.
fezo--c'mere, big hugs for that wounded persona. Don't take it personally; I'll bet if they knew you they'd take it back in a heartbeat. In fact, lawyer jokes were originated & propagated by doctors. Except me. Well, rarely. Tell me you've never told a doctor joke.
l'Etranger--the lush fringes of my lowered lashes and the fetching rouge of my smiling cheeks bespeak my modest gratitude for your praise of the Danfest Graces. Truth be told, I only watched.
Nu Kid--It's ALL Steely. The GB is imbued with the Steely ethos, the way of Dan. If all we talked about was the oeuvre, it would be rigid and boring. Indirection, nuance, innuendo, and quirky tangents are all integral to the music. We just try to do them proud.
Name: EvivaLaughs
far across the reach of spacetime
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 20:13:24
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Oh yeah...IMO "True Companion" is the most absolutely beautiful piece of music Fagen ever released. Even my Dan-hating boyfriend likes it--
Geena: I manage a four-doctor inner-city medical clinic. Lots of action, as you might imagine, even when the drug gangs aren't shooting each other outside...so it's rarely boring :)
Name: DrMu
beyondthetroubledskyway
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 19:03:12
Comments:
MC: Please do. I've seen your sight. It makes me wish I had
kept up the telescope hobby as a kid. We had a 2 1/2 in.
refractor I think?. Too much humidity during a lot of the year. Should have spent more winter nights outside. My interest
peaked with the total eclipse of '74? where may Dad and I set up a pinhole box. an awesome sight! The most amazing thing was how the birds and insects went suddenly silent during the 4 min or so of total.
I believe that redshift and doppler are the same principle. As objects move away from the observer the frequency
of the light (this works for sound of course also - a train passing is the classic example) decreases (the wavelength
gets longer). I guess the term redshift comes from the initial visible light observations of stars which were very dim and far away, as well as stars in our galaxy which were known to be moving away from our solar system had a light spectrum which was shifted towards the red light end (lower frequencies). This was confirmed with very bright, pulsating stars which are far away (Quasars). The thing about the "redshift" that's always bugged
me is that as stars were farther away, the "redshift" was
larger, no matter what direction. That smells like artifact
to me since I don't believe in real world (I mean Universe)
phenomenon that are uniform, linear, and homogenous. When
I see something like that, it sends up a "red flag." This area
is out of my league, but isn't it possible that as objects get farther away (here we are talking about thousands, millions of light years and beyond) that the light coming back to us the observer takes on a "red shift" no matter if that object is moving farther away or closer? I'm sure you have a good explanation.Good point about the time. That would be the hiny of a single celled organism (one of our very ancient ancestors).
Oh yeah, aren't the vocla harmonies with Fagen and Zack Sanders on True Companion one of the most chilling things you've ever heard?
Name: Geena
The Daylily Planet
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:48:04
Comments:
shutterbug:
For those of us who weren't there, WHOM may i ask is sitting with the cake?
Concept:
Ken Starr would find that he can kiss his own ass
Stranger:
When you spit, do like the italians do after they've tasted rancid wine or have uttered the name of a despised one, spit to your side and yell out "Swill!", but if you are speaking of lawyers, do the same and instead yell out "ptuiii!" Don't mess up your keyboard.
Eviva:
You never know if you'll ever hear my voice, I haven't given up my union card yet! I still do voice-overs whenever I find the opportunity. My life is very boring now, I have a ho hum job an Ad agency. Now my turn to pry... tell me what you do?
Psychopath:
careful what you say, Mussolini was hanged by his own
Clas:
now junior, behave yourself!
Count:
you've disappeared again...
Name: Squeaky Fromme
da.pokie
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:34:18
Comments:
Mayor Rudy, don't forgot about me, psycho sounds just like the nut job for me, can you fix us up?
Name: John Q. Public
confused voter
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 18:07:34
Comments:
I would like to cast my vote, is that P.Minstreel fellow running on Mussilini`s party platform, i`m confused here. I jUST hope it`s a fair election, is the election limited to viewers of the Guest Book? is any of candidates passing out cash,like the Kennedy`s did in West Virginia in 1960 ? Hey i`m not Chinese a twenty dollar bill will do.
Name: Mayor Rudy
round 3
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 17:44:26
Comments:
psycho : What poetic competition? You claim to be a poet ,then you lay this Freudian garbage on me. Did you borrow that book from the institutions library, if you did bring it back. I wasn`t the one who said you were a teenager, I guess you just come off that way. BTW none of my romantic rivals sounded like your boy the Texas Chainsaw. I Didn`t follow you on that lust remark. Today Lawyers took some heat on the GB, What do you think of Vincent Bugliose ? he put your idol Charlie Manson away didn`t he ? You should write him and tell him how unfair the system is. and if your not romanticly involved write to that Kasabian girl doing life,i`m sure she`ll laugh at your jokes! Let`s take a poll among the voting public and see who supports who.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 16:42:28
Comments:
Mitch: Yes! BBQ and the Chiefs! Two things I faithfully indulge in!! I'll go find the KC "things-to-do" website and report back later. I don't get to St. Louis very often for tourism. It's usually a pass-thru enroute elsewhere. 2 things in KC come to mind without any thought are: the Jazz History museum and the Black Baseball museum. I guess there are several casinos, if that's your bag. Lots of live music... again, more later.
RoyScammer: Not all of the GB'rs will have Danfest III tee's. I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a protocol. It may be as simple as "meet directly behind the soundboard and wear a baseball cap with the bill to the rear -- upon suspected recognition, use the vulcan "V" handsign"... Yeah, I know, it sounds ridiculous...
Big Fan: Cell phones... Hmmm... I sure coulda used one in Chicago in '96... I drove past the designated pre-concert meeting spot... a bar, the name of which I've long since forgotten, with the parking lot so full that the street was the only place to park and it was lined with cars on both sides for 2 blocks in both directions... almost needless to say that I chose not to attempt entry. I have a hard time believing it was so packed because of the announcement here on the GB that that was the designated meeting spot. A tailgate party in the parking lot sounds like a lot of fun. Some sort of flag could be flown from the designated host's vehicle antenna. How many people would give out their cell # to an almost perfect stranger? Well, maybe a few would.
Later - Doc
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 16:25:33
Comments:
the artist formerly known as rUDY....great pic there man! Was that our own St. Al at the helm of the cake? I'd love to see some more photos since I was not able to attend due to a work related problem.
Dr.Mu....I'd like to discuss your thoughts on redshift and spacetime when I have more time. I'm on a tight schedule for a few days right now. A couple of quickies though.
1. don't you think that redshift and doppler shift are basically the same type phenomenon only obseved at different frequencies? I personally feel that the science behind redshift is sound and that although no one has been able to nail down the exact value of the Hubble constant that we are indeed looking back in time the farther we look out into space.
2. I think your idea of looking out far enough with some sort of visual aid and being able to see your backside is a good point because when you understand how a 4 dimensional (spacetime) manifold works then you would eventually arrive back at the original starting place if you were to leave here and go in a straight line for a great enough distance. Time however, would seemingly have long since passed us by.
sorry I don't have time to get into this more right now but it is a subject I'm very interested in. hope we can discuss it at more length some time.
Name: minah
china
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 15:08:19
Comments:
Rubybaby: I'll replace that lotion..damn cows, you try to make a point about expropriation when they're young, but you never know how they'll turn out - there's one in every herd I suppose.
yeah Clas, I'm hiding in here someplace. Theres a message to you a couple days back - you'll need to (sc)roll back (to get) the meaning.
Fine right coast reports, one and all, thanks for the laughs.
mW
Name: fezo
lick.me
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 14:49:39
Comments:
Stranger et al: Silly me. I thought for once the GB could rise above its usual 8th grade level of discourse and have a somewhat rationale discussion about something other than the hidden meaning of the second stanza of the third verse of the unreleased version of "Peg".
Myra: Bad news. I gave my only copy and signed over the copyright of the "Roy Goes Colonial" video to one of those demon lawyers that the Stranger so fears and, of course, the zealous representative of all that is evil with the world has disappeared without a trace. My hunch is the fire-breathing dragon and bearer of the black plague intellectual property attorney has sold the tape on the black market. Look for Roy and the sin sisters at the Video Club nearest you.
Back to stealing from the poor and robbing the blind
fezo
Name: MAJ Andrew M. Boyd
@ease
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 14:12:09
Comments:
Mr. Stranger, Sir!
We contacted the Pentagon who in turn
recommended to Congress, for their immediate
action, the following legislation to reduce the
surplus population of attorneys. At the same time,
it is believed that this initiative will
keep militiamen in Texas and Michigan busy
when out of deer season.The enforcement of regulations and
collection of fees may of course vary
from state to state.Hunting Regulations
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Bill to Regulate the Hunting and Harvesting of Attorneys PC 370.00
370.01 Any person with a valid in-state rodent or snake hunting license may
also hunt and harvest attorneys for recreational and sport (non-commercial)
purposes.370.02 Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of
United States currency as bait, however, is prohibited.370.03 The willful killing of attorneys with a motor vehicle is prohibited,
unless such vehicle is an ambulance being driven in reverse. If an attorney is accidentally struck
by a motor vehicle, the dead attorney should be
removed to the roadside, and the vehicle should proceed immediately to the nearest car wash.370.04 It is unlawful to chase, herd or harvest attorneys from a power boat,helicopter or aircraft.
370.05 It is unlawful to shout, "WHIPLASH", "AMBULANCE", or "FREE SCOTCH"for the purposes of trapping attorneys.
370.06 It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW, Mercedes or Porsche dealerships, except on Wednesday afternoon.
370.07 It is unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of courtrooms, law libraries, health clubs,
country clubs, hospitals or brothels.370.08 If an attorney gains elective office, it is not necessary to have a license to hunt, trap or possess the same.
370.09 It is unlawful for a hunter to wear a disguise as a reporter, accident victim, physician,
chiropractor or tax accountant for the purpose
of hunting attorneys.370.10 Bag and Possession Limits per day: Yellow-bellied sidewinders, 2;Two-faced tortfeasors, 1; Back-stabbing divorce litigators, 3; Horn-rimmed cut-throats, 2; Minutiae-advocating dirtbags, 4. Honest attorneys protected
(Endangered Species Act).ARS 8007.21 It is illegal to take attorneys with a moving vehicle unless there are no measurable skid marks at the kill site.
Name: Earthbound
weretheyunderthetire...seat?
Location: Laughalot, IN
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:39:11
Comments:
Hey now!
Oleander: very nice Fess reports -- I sins a good
time was had by all. Had I been there, I'm sure
I woulda made a run for Kill Devil Hill. For true
"beach heads," that's a mainland treasure! I was
also trying to decipher all varietals of imbibance.
Appears that all groups were covered?ZEKE: 'sup bean head? Caught Indy's CircleFest.
The day saw Junior Brown, Leon Redbone, Jimmy Vaughn,
HogFat, REO and the Doobies -- albeit sans the Bros.
Neville. It plain cooked. For the encore, "Listen
to the Music," Johnston called out REO, saying they'd
dug each other forever, but never had the chance to
play together. Killer. I missed not having MM there,
but you take what you can get...
Also saw the Raitt/Brown gig. Very tight and fun :)
Three times Bonnie said she was glad her run with
Lilith was over so she could play what SHE wanted!
Said it was hard dealing with all those wimmen. I
thought JB was decent, but it's still hard for me to
appreciate a guy that pummels female faces. He's
probably lacking in some area. Summer highlight: YES
w/AP Project. Both smoked. AP opened with "Dr. Tarr."
YES played EVERYTHING for 2-3/4 hrs. Met all after.
Took me way back!
Best to you, here comes autumn!G'day, all you hedonistic Western imperialists!
*** GO SEE "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN" ***
Name: a shutterbug
caught @ the festivities
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:12:41
Comments:
for those of you awaiting the visuals from the last weekend:
ITEM ONE: Cake.
http://www.pageboy.net/eric/cake.htm
Further bulletins as events warrant.
Thank you.
Name: TheStranger
tort this
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:05:55
Comments:
fez,
you are so right. why a day never goes by that i don't worry about lawyers. but lawyers, being the resourceful people they are, are already solving the reputation problem. by my calculations, beginning in the year 2006, 11 out of 10 americans will be lawyers. the unmerited campaign being waged against this fine profession will of course then cease by default. until then, i fear the general public, in its ignorance, may continue to react negatively to bloodsucking swine. what are you gonna do?
Name: Myra Eyefull
I foresee terrible trouble but I stay here just the same
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:03:31
Comments:
I don't know why they close everything around me during a hurricane but expect me to come to work. I'll do my time today, but it is doubtfull that the city will get much out of me that is productive. Most of my day has been spent listening to classic rock, reading the GB, and watching the rain blow sideways.
Fezo: I might make it worth your while (nudge, nudge, say no more) if I could get a copy of that video of Big Roy from the last danfest. Was he doing that crazy dance again?
In defense of attorneys, if they are on my side when I am trying to remove a child, then they are Gods, but if they are doing their job for the parents, and they make my job more difficult, fuck'm.
Myra
Name: lisa
the serpent @nd the rainbow
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 13:03:07
Comments:
+++: is that a question regarding my new appreciation for constraint? or an offer to bind me?
Name: Concept
within a Concept
Location: Hey, , how about
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 12:57:46
Comments:
Ken Starr investigating Ken Starr - talk about the dog chasing his tail.
Would he find anything?
would it be admissible?run, baby, run
Name: fezo
chugging.the.Fifth
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 12:36:08
Comments:
Stranger: I'm the attorney. Your name has been added to the docket of people I'm suing for defaming the profession.
You know, a lot of the anti-attorney stories out there are from well-funded publicity campaigns sponsored by the insurance companies. You think they are ever going to fire their attorneys?
That's not to say that there aren't some horrendous attorneys. I know some who I wouldn't trust to deliver a pizza much less stand up in court and represent even my worst enemy. But there are also bad doctors, stockbrokers, etc. I've never understand why lawyers get all the grief. But then I saw O.J. trial. Johnnie Cochran should have Ken Starr sicked on him.
Name: TheStranger
taking the 5th
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 11:21:23
Comments:
oleander,
who's a lawyer? clinton's a lawyer & it's not doing him a whole lot of good. i spit on lawyers. ptuui!! yuch. got to clean up the keyboard. later.
Name: psychopathic minstrel
sigh
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 11:06:41
Comments:
yet another wanna-be leader who misses the feel of his mother's hand wiping his ass.
my apologies, oh retentive one, on my less than presise speling habbits. I suppose it is only a reflekshon of how little I care for your spetiol brand of akseptance.
Name: DrMu
huh?
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:49:47
Comments:
Fee: you wrote " It takes a special person to have the self confidence to use both
PHYSICS and NEWTON in the same post. Tell me, what does the Newtonian
model have to do with PHYSICS?"
Many freshmen taking Physics 101 have probably asked the same question, while popping aspirin, ibuprofen, and acetaminophen. Then the apple doesn't hurt. Fortuanely, the engineers who designed the classroom buildings they took notes in, who designed the automobiles and buses which took them to the classrooms, and who built the CD players which could allow the most enlightened ones to play the Dan in the dorm room while they studied KNOW the relationships. Math and physics (newtonian and non-newtonian) are not only our basis for our understanding the universe around us at the "mid" size levels - people, buildings, mountains, oceans, rain, etc. Philosophy (I guess that's what you're talking about) has to do with the way our feeble brains perceive the universe and how we interact with the human condition. They do tend to converge a bit at the super micro and macro (space-time continuum) size levels 'cause things get real weird and defy intuition. I'm still not convinced that the increasing "red shift" physicists use from visual and other electromagnetic spectrum measures to ascertain movement of distant galaxies and quasars, etc. is not artifact (there's no "gold standard). I'm wouldn't be surprised with the curvature of s-t that with a powerful enough telescope that if you peered out far enough, you'd see your own hiny. My own work is very humbled and applied compared to those gradiose questions that await at the fringes of our knowledge. Some arrogant astronomers claim that they'll have this whole thing figured out in 20 years!?
Name: Mayor Ron Kirk
Psycho minstrel: You are a jackass
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:24:49
Comments:
and you need to work on your spelling as well.
Name: lisa's back YOWIE!
@+ + +
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 10:15:00
Comments:
Lisa how about whips and Chain Lightning!
Name: EvivaLaughs
@hey, don't drag me into it
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:59:08
Comments:
Mayor Rudy: Hey, don't drag me into your fights with the Minstrel--I didn't take any sides...
Geena: Wow! What a lotta stuff you did for CBS! How interesting--I'll never hear your voice but it sounds very versatile...and NO WONDER you felt burnt out. What is it that you do now (if I may pry again :) )
Name: psychopathic minstrel
ok..fine
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:42:27
Comments:
well, mayor, it is obvious that you are indeed a coward in the face of poetic compitition....but that is understandable considering the frothing-spit-form-lips posts that you have been enamored of since I arrived here.
therefore, my being the more "honorable" of the two of us, I will meet you, square-shoulded, on your own grownd.
however, it is truely a pity that a man who seems to view himself as an educated and forthright member of society deems it nessisary to continue to use such sludge pond vulgarities when addressing those whom he sees as less fortunate and indeed mentaly or even criminaly incapacitated. is this the true mettle of a governing body?
not that offerring me your...what was it...salomi...wasn't a true work of intellectual giantism, particularly when I take into account that you seem to believe me to be a frustrated teen. did the lyics of my verse touch that deeply, sawing with ragged teeth into some bitter memory of your own, some inadequesy you felt in adolesence perhaps? did it remind you of your jealous feelings toward a romantic rival, or was it simple unrequited lust?
I would just like to point out that of all the users on this page...it was your knee that jerked the most."My program is simple: I want to govern"
Mussolini
rebuttle?
Name: Hey Pompe
@try pepto=bismol
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:15:55
Comments:
HEY CLAS, give some of your viagra to Pompe and find him
a nasty bitch. Should make him feel better or then again
it might make it red and sore again. Give it a try and
let us know.
Name: lisa
sleep to dre@m
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 09:12:03
Comments:
i certainly intended to give my interpretation of the danfess3 activities before this...but now it's clear to me that the other attendees arrived home a full 2 nights before i did! i've been remembering the scant details of my lost hours in a montage of abstract snippets:aja and i sitting in my car discussing the possibility of having enemies in the spiritual world...(meld)...being baptized by a wild cherry slurpee from the 7-11, courtesy of hussain...(meld)...reaching down to wipe the frosty goodness from my ankle, i noticed a man wearing bruno magli loafers...(meld)...he was next to me again at the phonebooth as i dug for my book of numbahs...
the only event i'm SURE of is when this very man walked up beside me at the gas-N-sip in suffolk...he leaned in close, and in a breathy whisper he cooed "welcome home, girl"...he then popped open his rolex and blew a pungent white powder into my face...as i lost all sense of reality, the last sound i heard was his throaty voice:
"i can call you betty...and betty when you call me, you can call me hal..."
weird huh?
i have a tiny scar above my right temple and i keep thinking how great of a guy kinky is! also, i've developed an affinity for handcuffs.
as far as the actual danfess3, i'm getting those memories back a little at the time as well...i do remember roy.scam telling all us girls that when you have alot of something, it's your duty to share with others...we are now to refer to him as BIG.roy or poppa love thrust...
as it comes, so shall ye receive...
Name: Honorable Mayor Rudy
Hudson River Valley Inst. for Criminally Insane
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 07:27:56
Comments:
Pycho stupido, I just came back from one of the institutions outside the City. I`M trying to get a better understanding of sick motherfuckers like yourself. When i was a youth , like most kids in the neighborhood i went to a Catholic school where i was taught to show compassion to the less fortunate members of our society, You and EVIVA keep telling me to throw the first punch, well maybe all you were feeling were jabs, Open your mouth wide , i have some Genoa Salami for you! Fuckface. ( Sister Mary Louise I know your disapointed, sorry) Trying to rid the streets and the net of the Criminally Insane , Mayor Rudolf.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 07:17:42
Comments:
Clas: perhaps I could send you a cassette copy of one of them - I won't send digital...but it wont' happen for a few weeks....
...I'll be in Mexico next Monday for 10 days...
I wonder if I'll hear "DIA" or other Latin flavored Dan...
ygk
Name: fezo
wasting.away.again
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 06:59:33
Comments:
Roy: You forget that only I know what really went on at Danfest 2 between you and the chambermaid. Strike that, chambermaids. So unless you want the video of that embarassing spectacle sent directly to Myra, you need to double your promised payment for my non-appearance at Danfest 3.
Stranger: I checked out the Pat Boone GB but got kicked out rather quickly. My analysis of the Sermon on the Mount apparently offended some other PB GBers when I got confused and included a later reference to the well known line from Calvary "Hey Peter, I can see your house from here"
Name: Clas
Anthony's Barbados and Grill
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 03:37:14
Comments:
Oh what a night!
Pompes stomach! We went out six (6) times. He is resting today. Very tired. So am I.
Fee Waybit; Pompe rules.
StAl; yes, I thought you were a little... a little... a little bit TOO laidback.
Oleander; andyouweretalkingtofast! That's very hard for a Swede three in the morning!
Fezo; haven't you got the money either? What the hell...
RubyBaby; yeah, I need to get to California and eat those doughnuts again. They are very good for the heart behind the sternum.
YGK; so, was my answer good enough? What do you say? We got me, maybe you, and Roy Scam so far.
Minah; are you in?
Geena; I'm lazy on email, but soon! Ti ti ti ti ti aaaammmmm... ooops.
Name: StEpheN hAWkinGs
mOutH MUsIc
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 02:06:09
Comments:
I FeLl oUt of mY Ez CHaIr/iT wAs NOT mY owN
Name: Fee
attractedtolorenze
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 at 01:46:08
Comments:
Dr. Mu: It takes a special person to have the self confidence to use both PHYSICS and NEWTON in the same post. Tell me, what does the Newtonian model have to do with PHYSICS? Is it true that PHYSICISTS need the Newtonian model as a reference point while they splash around in the cooling pond? I must admit, it's almost magical when an apple falls off a tree, hits you on the head, and YOU STILL DON'T WAKE UP. Please, never again apologize for using PHYSICS to illustrate your point(s). I have almost zero respect for the concept as it is...
Roy: Schwinn reminds you that his gift was water soluble. He apologizes for assuming you would drink water while near the beach. He never accounted for Margaritas...
Pat: That's right, you're not from Texas. Texas wants you anyway.
Myra: The couple that plays together stays together. 24 years is BEYOND PHYSICS. But then again, physics knows nothing of love.
New Kid: Does Skunk also talk about the shiner he gave Michael McDonald during the first day of the Minute by Minute recording sessions? Damn! That's Doobie Brother's stuff! Nothing to do with Steely Dan. Now I see what you mean. Please forget I even mentioned it...
Clas: Please pass the Dutchie.
Name: Big Fan
here@westernworld.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 20:12:34
Comments:
Doc Kelly:
One thing that worked for us at 96 concerts to get together were cell phones. Since many of us had never been to the venues before, it was an easy way to communicate and find each other. I think a whole summer of Danfests across the country songs great. i'll have four weeks of vaction next year and you are right, I can't think of anything better than to go to Steely Dan concerts with some of that time. Here's to the new album!
Name: Roy.Scam
danfest.on.the.arch.next.year?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:49:25
Comments:
fezo: You mean the check didn't arrive yet? If it's not there soon, please contact the firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe and ask them about the legal rights of someone who makes a contract over the internet with a guy whose last name is Scam.
New Kid In Town: Are you sure God knows what we're babbling about? --- Thanks for the Skunk tip; I saw him on the news a few months ago, something about a guitar auction to raise funds. --- There's still some good Steely Dan names left; you didn't have to name yourself after an Eagles song.
Doc: St. Louis sounds great. Couldn't we use our Danfess III t-shirts as protocol? Myra and I invented a secret SD Guestbook handshake but then decided it was too obscene for public use (or even private use). But we do enjoy using it to pretend we're introducing ourselves to one another when no one is around.
Stranger: I woulda told you later.
RS
Name: oleander
I fought the law
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:47:37
Comments:
Stranger--He IS a lawyer.
Name: TheStranger
on the wrong coast last weekend
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:45:31
Comments:
myra eyefull,
so what you're telling me is fezo surrendered his opportunities to win the favor of an entire handful of lovely, loving, Dan-appreciating, screened-for-intelligence-and-taste, silky, sweet, amazing femmes for mere DINERO? for lucre, lettuce, shekels, cabbage, piasters? for filthy, drug-connected unmarked bills? fez, if this be true, turn in your membership card & report to the pat boone gb.& then royscam fell asleep?
what a terrible waste of resources. you should all be reported to the epa.
later? later i'll be brooding. after that, let's talk.
Name: oleander
got my area wiped
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 19:45:23
Comments:
Myra--So that explains all those strange underpants in my backpack.
Roy--Word of caution: he IS a lawyer.
Name: psychopathic minstrel
thank you Eviva
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 18:28:26
Comments:
The issue is this mayor, the glove has been thrown, pick it up or beg quarter, then we shall debate.
I am beggining to regret my initial attempt at courtesy.
Name: Geena
feeling groovy
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:57:04
Comments:
countzir0: I guess some part of Tayhos experienced a hurricane, and then you disappeared. Do me a favor and please don't do that anymore, you scared the beejeesus out of me.
My beautiful car, the cadillac of buicks (in my eyes) had some moisture in the gas tank; there was a monsoon here the night before. As for alternators, you are speaking to the reigning queen of alternators, distributor caps and carburetors. I used to have a car with the engine of a DC10 and had to replace the alternator once a year, so I'm accustomed to it's symptoms. You remember Marisa Tomei's courtroom scene in "My Cousin Vinny"? I could have written those lines for her.
Eviva: Sorry for not replying to your question. I'm glad you're feeling better. Ok, here's my CBS resume:
Receptionist, programming assistant, traffic announcer, production assistant, voice of Jewish mom with heavy Brooklyn accent discussing daughter's batmitvah (sp?)for the Fromagerie Belle cheese ad, voice of Sally of Sal and Dave fame pitching dollar fifty Heineken drafts for a nightclub in Arizona, voice of Maria Tortellini doing restaurant reviews (comedy skit), one of 4 voices singing the Pontiac jingle. I would often lurk around the corner waiting for the announcer to take a bathroom break and sneak into the air studio, cross out a few songs and replace them with my Steely Dan favorites. I then worked in sales, then quit so I could have a life.
Mayor Rudy: You kill me! are you sure you're not from Boston?
DrMu: Can you belive this? I understood everything you wrote and am now constructing my own aerodynamic teepee!
Name: Mitch
Possible hosts
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:23:09
Comments:
Doc.Kelly, What is in K.C. to do. I know their famous for barbecue and the CHIEFS, but for tourists? Tell us about ST. lOUIS too, I know they renovated the Train station and the arch is a must see.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@so that's why we pay the weatherman
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:05:50
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Ah my GOSH, are you trying to make our heads explode?
Psychotic Minstrel, Mayor Rudy: hey guys, we're all waiting for one of you to stop playing the dozens and take the first swing.
Geena: thanks; you're very nice. I'm starting to (or was, until I read Dr. Mu's post :) )...So what did you do at CBS? (if I may ask)
Name: Mayor Rudy,
Debate me
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:03:36
Comments:
What is yatta , yatta , are you going into convulsions are what? Come on Pycho bitch and debate me on the issues....
Name: fezo
land.locked
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 17:00:17
Comments:
So Roy, where IS my money? I spend my entire weekend in the rural hell of Orange minding a sick cat just so you can bask in the glow of the satyrian fete all by yourself and I have yet to receive my just compensation.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:56:08
Comments:
New Kid: You're right... why'd you even bother posting? Don't YOU feel stupid for wasting your time???
Festers: Wish I was there... next gathering in the midwest? maybe in St. Louis or KC? I could handle arrangements in KC... are there any GB'ers in St. Louis?
If the next tour occurs in the summer of 1999 then we'll all have to start dreaming up our recognition protocols soon... the 1996 protocols failed miserably! Since very few of us actually know the others we can be somewhat difficult to recognize.
I'm planning on attending at least 3 shows in the midwest. I had a blast following the band in 93, 94 and 96. I can't think of too many other things right now that I'd rather spend my vacation doing.
Pre-concert parking lot protocols are needed. Pre-concert in-the-arena protocols are needed. Break-between-sets protocols are needed.
Still lurkin'... Doc
Name: Mitch
do ya have 2x fest shirts?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:42:48
Comments:
Glad the D-FEST was a sucess and no casualties reported. The posts seem like everyone was pleased. New Kid in town. Your timing is bad,with some of the Guest Book folks getting back from a beach party,and with tales to tale. There is lots of Steely talk on this site plus just about any topic you can think of, so don`t panic on the Titanic, welcome aboard!
Name: Myra Eyefull
let the truth be known
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:33:33
Comments:
Stranger: It is not wise to ask Roy Scam to tell all about his escapades with me or the other fine darlings that attended the Dan-fest. You being a fine specimen of a man should know that Roy is incapable of telling the truth about his sexual adventures. The real poop on the deal is that, contrary to what you have heard, Roy paid Fezo not to come on Friday night so he could suck up all the female adoration for himself. Even though he was with his wife, who had never met his groupies before, he managed to provide us all with enough wit and charm to get us to talk him into participating in a menage a cinque. When I was finally able to tear him away from his girls, he passed out on his twin bed that was nailed to the floor.(When has anyone you know attempted to steal a bed from a hotel?) Even though I had to share "Big Roy" with his girls, it was fun to sleep next to him (in the next bed, I must add) and admire what others must see in him that, after 24 years of marriage, I have learned to take for granted.
So, what are you doing later?
Myra
Name: New Kid In Town
@what da fuck
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:12:32
Comments:
Just surfin the web and found this site...thought it would be cool...but judging from the messages here it seems like this
site has nothing to do with Steely Dan.....Sign In Stranger: ?? For what? I bunch of dweebs blabbing about god knows what?
For anyone who cares....Jeff Baxter does a great interview in Vintage Guitar magazine...talks about the obscure origins of the original Steely Dan lineup...
Name: psychotic minstrel
oooh! mayor, you are sooooo smart!
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 16:01:45
Comments:
yatta, yatta, yatta, mayor man, you gonna take a swing or not?
Name: bombs away
@blame is the name of the game now
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 14:17:11
Comments:
Who gets the blame for the Planet Hollywood bombing. There
will be more you know.
Name: Mayor Rudy
quit blaming others
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 13:49:40
Comments:
Psycho Minstreel: I will take you on in the City or any fuckin planet your from. The remark about Manson (not sure if suicidal-acidhead meant Charles or Marilynn ,o well six-half dozen) In your twisted sister mind are you trying to say that the Elite or society in general is responsible for the actions of this degenerate behavior ? This is the same tired , wornout , liberal bullshit that was poured into our heads for the last twenty five years. here is how it is in the real world.........
ST.Louis: Caught selling drugs,vanalizing ,creating disturbances in a federally funded housing plan = automatic eviction... Yes! New York: were in the process of eliminating the Methedone Treatment funded by taxpayers Nationwide revokeing of Disability pensions for alcahol and drug dependentcy. WHY should the public have to pay for lifestyle choices. The word is accountibility.
Name: Jack Webb
@dragnet
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 13:49:20
Comments:
Why do you think Cleveland's Claude Cooper copped your clean copper clappers kept in the closet?
Name: Sweet Tooth
@brothers go to mothers
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 13:47:01
Comments:
Damn Scam don't your fingers hurt after that?
To whom it may concern: You like frosting on a cake?
Cut yourself a great big slice, see if you don't agree!
Name: TheStranger
humbled & jealous
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 12:41:55
Comments:
royscam,
once again, most worthy reportage from the right coast relayed, apparently, through clouds of intoxicants, thereby bringing even more glory to the accomplishment. but pray, back up on that part where you slept with myra eyefull & provide a wee more detail -- as in everything you did.
Name: Roy.Scam
what.if.the.hangover.is.part.colombian?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 12:18:33
Comments:
I'm typing fast, lest there be meteorological hostilities and I become like an expectoral droolant from the mouth of Dr.Mu's automotively mobile dog.-- lisa' if the cow blows past the window, please leave town. (Rednecks AND hurricanes, what an interesting choice of residences.)
HOW I SPENT MY WEEKEND VACATION
-------------------------------
*Packed up my pocket Steely Dan museum and drove to Va. Beach
*Got slapped around by the Atlantic.
*Watched Myra, Oleander, and Sam get wet and salty.
*Discovered several new cavities where sand can hide.
*Used a shower which, as Luckless P suggested, must have been installed by a dyslexic plumber.
*Got stuck in traffic, an elevator, and Abbey Road.
*Saw a street musician playing a dijideroo , or a similar big stick with some holes in it, using a microphone and a mixing board. One of those high tech aborigines, I guess.
*Saw Kinky (I think) running out of the surf with one of those phallic things trying to save one of the lifeguards.
*Finally heard that Kieth Jarret song. (Gaucho is better.)
*Saw an excellent live rendition of "Josie" with a flute solo and a female lead vocalist. (about whom a teenage Donald would probably have said, "Introduce me to that big blonde.")
*Got to see Sunny Sam party (and even dance) wide awake. The days of her sonambulistic celebratory style are forgotten.
*Tested some tokes of transcontinentally transported Texas tornado weed. Thumbs up if I can find them.
*Had an unexplained vision of Schwinn looking like DeNiro.
*Slept with Myra Eyefull.
*Met St.Al & Rudy and their lovelies, and Aja and Luckless Pedestrian.
*Met some Guestbook guy who claimed his real name was Dan.
*Missed the spewing. What happened?
*Much beer, vodka, Cuervo, Colombian, wine, and my favorite narcotic, Myra's cookies.
*Had some Ruby's Recipe Chocolate Sign In Stranger Third Birthday Cake. Thanked Ruby from afar for the great remedy recipe. *Thanked Oleander from aclose for her cullinary and cake decorating skills.
*Conjectured as to whether the cake was of the Alice B. Toklas variety.
*Broke the law on the dunes.
*Heard a reading of Dr.Mu's fine letter, which may put an asterick in the 'History of Dan' book.
*Heard some new (to me) Becker/Fagen songs in Ole's van.
*Verified the steeliness of the show biz quads.
*Joined the BHS alumni club, a fine and exclusive bunch as ever there was.
*Saw St.Al in a fez. He looked about six stories high.
*Witnessed the wizardry of Oleander, the Mistress of all things ceremonial. A cook, social director, cake designer/frosting applicator, educator, webmaster, Mom to the Momless, writer, reporter, and sometimes even a Doctor, I hear.
*Won two fez-bearing Soul Monkeys with holes in their heads. I will shake them over my food forever.Next time I promise to behave,
RS (RMOATS6211@AOL.COM)
Name: Roger Waters
behind.the.wall
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 11:44:48
Comments:
Hey Bill, have a cigar
Name: TheStranger
remind me to get that new deadbolt
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 11:38:16
Comments:
teeing off,
golf is a strange, twisted metaphor for the Dan but i will accept your entry for weird post of the month. just send your entry fee along with no explanation whatsoever. fear not, psychotic minstrel will fall in an entirely separate category -- individual mostl likely to carry firerarms into a mcdonalds with mean intentions.
Name: Look Out I'm Teein' off
@oops, isn't this the golf channel?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 11:20:52
Comments:
Do you mind if I play through? I was up on a hill and I took
out my Number 1, BAD ASS WALT DRIVER and crushed that top
flite golf ball. Oh no, that was my second shot, that's right
I missed the ball completely on my first shot, you know the
swing that you choke yourself with. Okay, second shot, eyes
on the ball, remember eyes on the ball, WALT driver don't fail
me now. SWING! Ball exploded right there,dimples and all,
rubber bands flew everywhere. Some fellas I was with didn't
like getting snapped with rubber bands going 130mph. They even
commented, Hey, you stupid asshole,what the hell you tryin' to
do,put an eye out or something and by the way, where did you
get that driver? I said proudly, This driver is no ordinary
driver, this is my NUMBER ONE BAD DOG WALT DRIVER and you know
what they don't make these anymore, one of a kind, I knew that
there were in fact smaller versions of the walt, but I said
nothing to them about them. One guy says, can I try it? I said
Nope. Another guy says I'll give you a thousand bucks for it
right now, I said, Nope, now stand back and watch this. I
looked at the ball and concentrated intensely and thought now
baby now, right then it happened, perfect connection. We all
just stood there watching that floating bubble soar ever
higher and higher, had to go at least 500 yards right over the
banyon trees and we lost sight of it. So I jumped in my
kamakiricart and cranked up Trans-Island Skyway and went to
find my ball, as we came thru the trees, there it was sitting
right in, you guessed it, a bunker filled with sand. Well,
my so called buddies started laughing their asses off and
said let's see how you get out of this one. I looked at them
and smiled, reached in my bag and pulled out my finesse Fagen
wedge. They still won't golf with me.P.S. To everyone, love your styles!
Name: bill clinton
martha's vineyard
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 11:02:20
Comments:
myra,
heard you mention something bout a big blowjob comin to my fellow americans on the carolina coast & i was wondering if maybe i might fit in somewhere. just trying to help. what's a steely dan?
Name: lisa
bonnie lies over my oce@n
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 10:11:01
Comments:
damn...i was going to make a post but my cat just blew by the front window.
until the bitch is breathless...
Name: psychopathic minstrel
my faded heart's delight
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 09:33:22
Comments:
Ah, but you see mayor, I don't live in New York. I am pleased that you have accepted my little fisti-cuffs of words. In my feined respect for you senority in this little place, I raise my chin and alow you to take the first blow.
by the way, lithium is for zombies, and methodone for junkies, let me assure you that my eyes are wide and alert, and my veins flow clean.
oh, and as to the Manson comment,I agree that the man (or whatever) is a scrawny, ineffectual degenerate struggling to make up for years of close-minded abuse he recived from typicall nose-in-the-air and thumb-up-their-ass types just like you.
Name: StAl
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 09:21:03
Comments:
Whoa... Got out just in time. Hang on tight all you Carolina types.
What a gass. Had a blast. Though I must side with the Joker (you'll always be RUDY to ME), next time I'm sleeping in before any danfestivities. Swigin' down echinachea (sp?) with crappy domestic beer doesn't cut the mustard. I think I caught what Mrs. Alphonzo had...
RubyBaby: Better than sex? NEVER. Close though, real close.
Schwin: You rat bastard (I love you man). I shoulda know better than to take herb from a Texan. Kicked my ass. I guess I'm getting too old for that.
Clas: It's his fault that I was so incoherent when you called.
To everbody else: It's his fault I was so incoherent when you talked...
Oleander: Mrs. Alphonzo has that one covered. Sheet-better-than-sex-cake-pan is forthcoming.
Just when I thought age was a state of mind, I realized that a bunch of middle-aged SD fans really do know how to party. As long as said party doesn't last past midnight...
To Luckless, Mr. & Mrs. Scam, Lisa, Samantha (if only I were 70 lbs lighter and not MARRIED), AJA, Oleander, Mr. & Mrs. RUDY, and everone else who was there in spirit, thanks for the good time. It was a gassss.
Doin' it with my Fez ON,
StAl
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 08:56:38
Comments:
...and so someone the other day strolls up to this well-to-do fellow on Park Avenue and asks, "are you Kinky?" The visitor phreaks out, makes an awful face, and walks quickly away.
I guess it wasn't....but he looked just like Kinky...
Name: countzir0
Counting the hours as they drop off one by one
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 08:03:13
Comments:
Words to describe Fagen's voice: dark, worldly, mysterious, nonchalant...
Geena: Was there a hurricane? I don't pay much attention to weather patterns, other than a simple "is it cloudy or is it sunny?" so I can judge whether it's "pool weather" or not. If it's sunny(and usually it is) I slap on the swimsuit, some accelerator, a pair of Armani's that I found in the parking lot, and some Nike flipflops, and kick back on a rubber float with a good book and a Cuba Libra. Three hours later, I'm two shades darker, and one shade blonder than I was half a day ago. The only thing I ever get caught in the path of is a hangover, and this is always remedied by my brother's stash of fine Columbian... Sorry to hear of your freeway mishap--if I would've been driving by, you could have "count"ed on help from me. Sounds like possible alternator problems to me...but then again, my expertise is computers, not cars.
Question: Does Kinky=Elvis??
Welcome back Danfesters: sounds like you had a wonderful time--I'm envious to say the least.
Minstrel: I remember writing a poem similar to that when I was about fifteen. I was your typical depressed teenager experiencing the aftermath of an acid trip from the night before, and just basically feeling sorry for myself like most teens do after staying up all night on acid. My suggestion is: stop taking psychedelics and any other depressants you might currently be ingesting, and give yourself a few years--the hormones will die down a bit-- life will become basically routine, boring, and monotonous to the point that you just don't care to be depressed anymore.
Rose: One, two, buckle my shoe, Where did you take off to, Rose? Timbuktu?
Name: DrMu
swellsjoinin
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 07:22:58
Comments:
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: The following POST may contain PHYSICS. Do NOT attempt to read if you're having decaf this morning...
Myra/Fee: The force (or drag) that a wind or any fluid which is moving past an object (hopefully a stationary one like your house) or if and object is moving through it (i.e., Dorothy's house) can be represented by the following basic formula from fluid dynamics:
Fd = 1/2€Cd€Ap€rho€v(exp+2)
where:
1) Cd = the coefficient of drag (how smooth or rough the surface of the object is). this can in part determine how much turbulance is created which creates a pressure difference - suction. Cyclist wear those funny looking helment not only to protect their skulls, but ot reduce air drag...this won Greg LeMond his first Tour de France.
2) Ap = the area exposed to the molecules composing the fluid. A truck creates for wind resistance or drag than a sports car in part because of the large area exposed. Cd and Ap tell us directly about the aerodynamics of the object.
3) rho is the density of the fluid. A baseball will travel farther in Coors field than in Shea stadium because at 5280 ft of altitude, the air is less dense creating less resistance during the flight of the ball. It also allowed Tiger Woods to hit Driver - wedge on 500-600 yd par 5s at Castle Rock in Colorado (that's just sick!)
4) v(exp+2) is the square of the velocity. The amount of force created by the wind or imposed by a fluid on an object traveling through it is directly proportional to the square of the velocity. If your dog has its head out the car window with its tongue hanging out, the amount of force slinging the saliva back is FOUR times greater when the car is traveling at 60 mph than at 30 mph. v is the difference in speeds between the object and the fluid. Thus if Wlater's Lear Jet capable of speeds of 400 mph) is flying from Hawaii to New York, the craft will experience less drag if it "catches" the jet stream (100-200 mph).
Fluid drag can be used to slow down objects (a parachute) or as a propulsive force (a sailboat or a Hurricane). It's essentially a principle (OK, I'm taking a couple of liberties) derived in part from Newton's Law of Action and Reaction and the Law of Inertia. The body of a cyclist traveling at 30 mph literally pushes the air molecules out of the way which push back with and equal amount of force in the opposite direction (A&R). The amount of resistance is related to the amount of mass - density of the fluid.
My advice if your are in a house near the Carolina coast would be to quickly reconfigure your abode into the shape of a Corvette (to reduce Cd and Ap) and face it towards the northeast (unless the storm passes south of you - in which case swivel your domicile towards the southesat...be sure to put a spoiler in the back to prevent lift. If you get desparate, a helium party is in order - you can have one fool spraying helium out the front door to try and reduce rho - or simply use it its usual medicinal purposes.
Name: the Joker
in Bonnie's path?
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 06:11:34
Comments:
.....what the hell is that THING coming my way off the ocean.......
whatever it is, it's coming........
it's taking its time, clouds coming in from the east but no wind.....yet.........
Name: Fee Waybil
talktoyounow
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 at 02:09:09
Comments:
...you are now entering a seven second delay...
Psst: Dr. Mu...is there a foot/pound ratio to "time" or is the thought itself a little too heavy?
Eviva: "Better" roadmaps? Any friend of Rand McNally is a friend of mine.
Undecided: I've decided. I'll announce my decision soon.
Kid Charlemagne: Three little words: "Spare Ass Annie". Burroughs' reading of his original work, "A Junkie's Christmas", is a masterpiece.
Clas: Who rules your neighborhood?
Name: Vinny Colucci
I`ll bet on N.Y
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 23:04:00
Comments:
Hey whats the odds here between our cockhound mayor and that sick poet that writes poems about murdering people. Hey Rudy, You got the spirit of Joe DiMaggio, and Joe Namath, give this dope addict motherfucker a beatin for the Bronx and the rest of the City .
Name: Mayor Rudy
Madison Square Garden
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 22:44:48
Comments:
Dear Degenerate, or Edgar A. Poe ,or whoever the fuck you are, lets go .... The State of New York requires a urine test before contests, I hope you didn`t start takin the Lithium Geena prescribed, no huh O.K. fine .Lets do it scumbag and i don`t mean a crackball !
Name: oleander
oleander1@earthlink.net
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 21:49:10
Comments:
Roy & Myra--Send up a semaphore from the front to let everyone know you're still on high ground.
I-man--Gotcha. You'll be hearing from me soon.
Stranger--Got one all warmed up for ya. Should I just fling it in your direction?
Schwinn--Your grin is as good as your thrum.
Dave--Uh, I don't know, was I?
St. Al--I need my good cake pan back!
Cool to hear from Don Breithaupt. If anyone hasn't read "Precious and Few," do so immediately! St. Al has the info on his page. Anyone hear their music, or have a copy of their "Lazy Nina?"
Aja--Keep in touch. E me if you need anything.
Name: Mrs. William Carlos Williams
"this is just to say"
Location: about those plums,
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 20:24:19
Comments:
Psychotic Minstrel--
I left you cause you're such a freak:
Your "love" it makes me want to shriek--
Told you before to treat me right
That's why I'm William's wife tonight
Name: Schwinn
kodachromatica
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 20:21:22
Comments:
Oleander: You are the front runner to host, "Steely Dan Nation". Surely no diamond-dusted laser disc could have captured the past weekend's events more accurately or reproduced them so vividly as your stellar report. I laughed. I cried. I called Lisa and told her a dream I had involving a tiny Jeff Goldblum. Seems the double helix was twistin' the night away...
Da Do Rung Rung,
SEMB
Name: Geena
sorry, it's the caffeine
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 20:18:37
Comments:
BECK: Lasagne should cook for about 15-20 minutes or until the top is bubbly. Did you save that piece of charcoal? It would have made a great street hockey puck!
psychotic minstrel: Have you seen the prison doctor about putting you on Lithium?
Myra: If Bonnie makes her way to the Northeast, I'm outta here like a flash of lightening! I'm still picking up pine needles in my bathroom from a tree seeking shelter during "BOB".
Ruby: Sacred Heart 3rd & 4th grade! I think I want that recipe for your chocolate cake! Ahhhh…. my birthday is coming up soon.
Stranger: my grrl was surprised to hear that grunge still exists in Seattle, now if I can only get her to stop wearing those flannel shirts in 100 degree weather. I need a good book to read, I think I know which one I'll choose.
Clas: US Customs nearly threw me in jail for smuggling bricks of parmesan into the country. I politely asked them to check their list; they asked me if I knew you.
Oleander: Great report, but tell me, how many mentions were made of those of us unable to attend the festivities? Inquiring minds want to know. And, I could use a new t-shirt too!
Eviva: I hope you're feeling better.
Countzir0: Where are you? Were you caught in the path of Charlie? Please say it isn't so.
Name: Geena
charging up the cell phone
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 20:09:00
Comments:
Now that everyone's back from Dan Festivities, I think we need to hear more stories, I know it takes a while for the fog to clear from one's head after generous tokes of Schwinn's special blend. I'm so delighted to hear that everyone who attended had a pleasant time! Maybe pleasant isn't the right word. Help me someone! I really wish I could have been there. Lisa, how's your head baby!
A DAN HOUR OR MORE: Yesterday as I'm driving to work, scan button pushed in on the radio. I hear the first few lines of "Josie" and my hand immediately reaches out to set the station. I turn up the sound and begin singing, unaware of how fast I'm going. As I'm making the turn to get onto a major highway, my car dies! My first reaction was to throw it in neutral and try starting it again, no luck. Meanwhile, I have a stream of cars behind me honking like lunatics (as if I planned this event). The car does not start. I try again, it cranks, nothing. So, I'm stuck in the right lane of a two lane road, pissing a lot of people off while huge rigs with wide loads are trying to go around me nearly missing me by a half inch. Was I scared? Nope! Pretzel Logic was now on the radio! I had no fear; I was immortal! To make a long story short, 10 women and 3 men offered to help, the first woman allowed me usage of her car phone to call AAA, this was followed by 7 women who also offered their car phones and the rest offered to call the state police. A sneaky looking man with a scar on his left cheek offered to drive me to a phone. Could this have been the infamous Kinky? I wasn't getting into his car no matter how much he tells me he also likes Steely Dan. Another man just asked me if I was ok. (Oh yeah, I'm fine, I find it great sport to stall out during rush hour) and finally another man with a West Indian accent, wearing a green earring, pushed my car to the side of the road. The tow truck never showed after an hour and a half of waiting in the face of danger. I gave the ignition another try, prayed like a roman, and YES!!! It started!!!
I arrived at work and immediately called AAA. I used tact, poise and reason and then squeezed them out of giving me a $25 coupon towards my renewal as well as a letter of apology. It was a Steely Dan day from hell!
REMINDER: Get a car phone, scratch that, bought one today.
Name: Sharon Peters
@that'sshort for hillary
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 19:50:46
Comments:
I think someone's been scratching their balls too long
with their nine inch nails.
Name: psychopathic minstrel
hey man that hurts
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 19:03:15
Comments:
well mayor, I tell you what, if you want to stifle my blood art on your special little channel here, that's fine, no more verse for the perverse. however, I offer a little contest...my last was but an introduction you see...your poetic wit vs. mine...game?
Name: Mayor Rudy
N.Y. Times Arts Review
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 18:52:12
Comments:
I passed along to the Times the piece done by the Psychotic Minstreel. They told me that one thing for sure is that the poet was definitely pschotic and a complete fuckin asshole too boot. I think he should try the Marilynn Manson Guest Book, he`ll be at home there, with those clueless morons, Hey pal your no Khalil Gilbran,but you are a fuckin nitwit. Making the City free of Methedone addicts like the Minstreel again. Rudolf
Name: Sylvia Plath
@the lasagna burned so I stuck my head in the
Location: gas oven,
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 18:15:53
Comments:
speaking of plagiarism, there, PSYCHOTIC MINSTREL, you can't hold a Roman candle to me.
Name: to heck with BECK, i need ER
@modern "medical science" is amazing
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 17:41:08
Comments:
what's up DANDEE'S! That's quite a poem there interesting
and thought stirring. To OLE, I think you should take
Lois Lanes job at the Daily Planet, that's pretty darn
great reporting there. I still am trying to figure out
just what a danfess is though, so I made up my own. First,
I was going through the official SD site and what do you
know, I found a couple of thrilling new items! Well, at
the time,I had big pan of lasagna in the oven and some
wine ready for the jr.danfess that I had planned. Well one
thing led to another and before I knew what had happened,
too busy reading things in here, the dang smoke alarm went
off. I rushed to the kitchen only to find my pan of lasagna
reduced to a small piece of coal. Determined to go through
with the jr.fess, I loaded up the ford festiva with the
provisions we needed to get by and took off. We stopped by
a lovely river, cranked up the DAN, lit a small campfire
heated up some chef boyardee raviolis, opened a box of
chicken in a biskets and toasted to Steely Dan with welch's
"grape" juice. We had a blast.
P.S.Hey Geena how long are you supposed to cook lasagna?
asparagus-that one killed me!
Name: theI
limpingonsorefeet
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 17:13:28
Comments:
hello holy lady, me no know your e, but me know where street of beans is, you buy brown lightning juice, me go, me no have paper leaves the uprights use in trade, you can find me in a meatbag at the place where mail is like fire.
Name: psychotic minstrel
how 'bout some Poe-try?
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 16:56:29
Comments:
do you know what i do,
when i'm alone and i think about you?
do you know what i see,
when you reach through the bars at me?
do you know what i think,
when you tell me the corpses stink?
and do you know if i cry,
when you say you're afraid to die?
i walk the streets at night
because i
want to meet a girl so sweet
that i
want to take her home to meet my
mama
dress her up in pink polka-dot pajamas
have sex all night and day
and i
want to make up games to play
so i
will always be in love with her forever
and i won't kill her like all the others
darling will you be my bride?
do you promise not to run and hide
when i
scream your name in bloody rage?
will you
live your life within my cage?
can you see the pain behind my eyes?
do you somehow even realize,
that the demons scream at me with silent voices,
taking from me all free given choices?
you said you did
and cried for trust,
and i let you out to sate my lust
but i turned my back and you ran away.
and now i sit in a cage of
my own,
dark and alone
i'm talking to a roach,
i haven't seen daylight in years
no human word has touched
my ears
and so i sit in my filth and i cry
and to this day i wonder why
you betrayed me.
Name: DrMu
notinKansas
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 15:58:35
Comments:
Myra:
Don't scare us like that. If you are on the coast,
you might want to head to Fayetteville or Raleigh...
like now. The force produced by a Hurricane with sustained
winds of 115 mph are TWICE as strong as for one with winds
of 80 mph (i.e., square of the velocity).
Name: Myra Eyefull
bigblowjob
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 14:45:55
Comments:
Auntie Em, Auntie Em, the winds they be blowing!!!!Good thing the Dan-Fest was last weekend. We must have set up some climactic climatic conditions that made Bonnie go crazy going nuts. Well, we have prepared for these storms before and nothing happened so maybe this will be the same.( or maybe this will be a blow job that will top all blow jobs)
Myra
Name: David in the Florida room
dmoore113@aol.com
Fl usa
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 13:54:53
Comments:
I feel like I'm a day late and a dollar short...never heard about the Danfest till I found this site a few weeks ago...oh well I just hope they come back to Tampa and make it known well ahead of time. Some of us have to play a lot of gigs to pay for their Florida rooms "Glamour Profession"......I hope you Dan Festers have a great time! please tell us all about it! Oh yeah, I just want to say that I've enjoyed all your chats even if I'm not always hip to the joke. the only problem is I'm not getting any work done on my CD project. oh well as long as Donald and Walter aren't distracted I guess it doesn't matter anyway. hey post some pics of Danfest!
David
p.s. Oleander...we're you talking to me?
Name: RubyBaby
lost in the b@rrio
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 12:17:41
Comments:
Oleander: Baby! MTV should hire you to cover the Spring Break thing they do. If not, maybe Rolling Stone has a spot for you. I'm working on an idea for a costume if I ever get to go to one of your Titan Bashing Dan fests. Can you hum a bar or two from the Guestbook Shuffle?Clasparagus: You know I'd smuggle for you! However, I stumbled upon a way that is legit. I can do it! I'll save some extra pits just in case things go awry. Lena will have her trees...
We need to put some weight on you, don't we?mein ah W: I'm so happy you have returned! They all know you have the Bag Balm! They began to hord it in those big tires the farmers use to feed them sometimes. It was like a stampede was always brewing under the surface. How long do you think we could have held out? Not only that, my own supply of Mary Kay hand cream was mysteriously missing...
RazorBoy: I'll get back to you on TBTLO. My world is upside-down at the moment. I really want to savour our discussions...
rb
Name: DrMu
sotheysay
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 11:30:16
Comments:
Hey Jazz freaks: KSDS is featuring Wayne Shorter - kind of an historical perspective. Access through Real Audio @:
http://209.133.12.76/Jazz88/
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 at 02:28:47
Comments:
RubyBaby; "Customs around here can be real weird when it comes to agriculture. How about where you are?"
You are so right. When Lena and I was going back to Sweden last time we were in USA the Swedish custom were very naughty with me. When we were passing them they looked at Lena and said: - You're not allowed to bring that asparagus in to sweden!
I said: Hey, maybe I'm lazy but I am not a god damn vegetable!
Custom: -Ahhhhhh, it TALKS!
But RubyBaby, please try. Do you have to say that it is pits?
Name: Don Breithaupt
gdolphin@globalserve.net
Location: Toronto, Canada
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 23:44:39
Comments:
PLUGGAGE: From Monkey House, the band that brought you 1992's Fagen-approved version of "Lazy Nina," comes "TRUE WINTER," a new, hour-plus, 15-song album on Marigold/KOCH featuring Dan-influenced changes, arrangements, etc., not to mention a guest appearance by Little Feat drummer Richie Hayward. (Head monkey Don Breithaupt is also the co-author of "Precious and Few: Pop Music in the Early '70s" [St. Martin's, 1996].) gdolphin@globalserve.net for info...
Name: TheStranger
hoarse
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 23:20:34
Comments:
oleander,
that was the most inspired piece of reportage from the shore since ernie pyle went ashore. loved it. let's get more about this from everybody. & you heard me yelling over the grunge. fabulous.where's my 'everyone else went to the Danfest and all i got was this crummy t-shirt' t-shirt?
Donald Fagen,
please stop insulting lavonda or we'll have to bar you from this gb. who do you think you are? donald fagen?more on donald's voice--he sounds like a guy who just lost a bundle at the crap table but he can probably take it.
Name: oleander
oleander1@earthlink.net
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 20:06:12
Comments:
Further unsolicited narrative on the heels of the Luckless One by your Feckless Reporter:
DANFEST III: BASH OF THE TITANS
DAY 2: Bright was the morning with its sun good eye.... Ravenous Festers pillaged local eateries--did you know that Va Beach has more pancake houses per square foot than Williamsburg? Sated, the pilgrims repaired to the beach, where they passed the day surfing, rollerblading, playing beach volleyball, sprinting into the surf with those phallic things to save hapless tourists, and doing each other's backs with banana butter in preparation for the evening's rites. Cut to 75 miles offshore, where St. "Party" Alfonzo, Hemingwayesque, wrestled finny monsters to the deck to the strains of "Let's Get Drunk and Screw," harmony by the navigator--Jack sans radar (quoth St. Al: "That would be cheating."). I hate to sound cheap, but St. Al, we ate at a SEAFOOD place. What the hell did you do with all that SEAFOOD you caught?? Cut to Rudy and tall Christine, tooling up the Trans-Carolina Skyway in their cool rolling bubble.... He plumb wore out that vanity mirror practicing his Nicholson grin. Cut tothe Super 8: lisa thought she saw Kinky again, trolling the pool for change and humming "Ice Ice Baby."
And then the harmonic convergence: The pilgrims, suited up for the game, carved out the GB HQ in the Duck-In. In ducked St. Al, Jami, Christine, & Rudy, meeting in 3D for the first time.... The earth trembled. Those Twin Towers of Dandom presided over a spread worthy of Penelope, and the Manhattans, Margaritas, and wild dialogue flowed like the Chesapeake. The most amazing thing was that each of us was the opposite gender from what we had expected! What a mindfuck! Our waiter was indeed named Dan--coincidence? Luckless mind-meld? You be the judge. Then St. Al was indeed captivated by the waitstaff trilling "Happy Birthday To The GB" on kazoo while they presented him with Ruby's Better-Than-Sex chocolate cake. There was a thoughtful silence as everyone sampled their cake, and then a unison "Well... maybe." Appetites whetted by the repast, we climbed on the dunes and heard on the ocean breeze the unmistakable thrum... and a lone, distant voice crying from the Northwest urban wilderness.... Aja claimed she saw Kinky swinging a metal detector behind the gazebo.
Over dinner, the pilgrims vied in the Guess the Steely Costume Contest. Best costume: three-way tie between Roy.Scam as The Nightfly (where did you get that tie?), Myra as "Yellow Peril," and oleander as an old lover dressed in grey. Best inadvertent costume, again: Rudy in "Bad Sneakers." Best guesser, again: lisa. Sharp girl! The prize: Brian Sweet's new one.
Behind the red door: The real festivities began with the ritual breaking-out of the fine Col and Cuervo Gold. Schwinn sent a toke and/of his affection which, like the loaves and fishes, fed the masses' heads. We crowned St. Al, paterfamilias and superego of the GB, with The Fez, and let me tell you, he was born to it. And graphicsmeister Rudy, once we wiped off his green greasepaint, was awarded the coveted Monkey-In-Your-Soul-with-the-Fez-on candle for meritorious imagery. But only after the caricatures in chocolate body paint were complete. Sorry, voyeurs, no pix; they all got licked off.... Now here's the GB Scoop of the Fest: We've had lisa & Schwinn, Clas & Geena, but the real king & queen of the GB are Roy & Myra, spice in real life (The family that scrolls together, rolls together). They were awarded the coveted Monkey-In-Your-Soul-With-the-Fez-On salt & pepper shakers for meritorious matrimony. And lisa, as dominatrix of ceremonies, received a tall, handsome Jewish guy of her very own.
Myra quashed the munchies with her "One More Chocolate Chip Who Isn't Here" and "Brickle Owes The Charmer Under Me" cookies. We listened to the first two bars of "Black Cow" for about twenty minutes and tried not to think of Edd. We communed with Clas, minus The Rooster, who sent a holo of himself in his Minah hat. And Sunny Sam stayed awake. Dr. Mu sent his spellbinding and true account of meeting the real Rikki; I can't do him justice, and I hope he'll post the story. Make him! It's worth it. Now I swear we tried to simulpost, but the touchpad on the laptop was so thick with hash oil and cookie crumbs that nothing would go through.
Our blood bond was sealed with the Donning of the Shirts. Yes, all participants accepted Danfest t-shirts; we looked like a Duane Hanson sculpture. And--the epiphany of the evening--the knock on the door--the Fedex package (delivered by a guy who looked a lot like Kinky)--the tape and note inside: "Congratulations, guys--Wish we could be there, but we have bigger fish to fry--Let us know what you think of this cut for the New One--love, D & W." Click, cueing silence, and the strains of--"The GuestBook Shuffle." Wow! Twenty-two thumbs up!
Then some other stuff happened, but all I can remember is being wheeled into the ER by someone who looked a lot like the Fedex and metal detector guys. But they didn't keep me.
And now a word from our sponsor: For a limited time only, you too can have your own Very Limited Edition Danfest t-shirt, designed by the immortal Joker-cum-Rudy. So do you want to be surprised, or should I spill on what they say? Let me just say that they're terrific, and only a Danfan will figure them out. E me if you're interested. And whoever it was who came up with the idea in some post long ago--take credit!
Amazingly enough, or maybe not for such a virtually inspired hoedown, some of the most fun participants were not even there: Joe Murtha, who made the miles fly with his "Catalyst" and Gaucho outtakes tape (A Kodak moment: Roy & oleander in the van listening to "Second Arrangement" for the first time). Ruby's cake. Schwinn's torpedo, and his graven images. Clas' rendition of "Ruby." Mu's yarn. And all the well-wishers from the GB diaspora.
Throw a kiss and say goodbye,
o.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@poetry and Mondays always get me down
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 19:10:38
Comments:
Stranger: re: DF's voice--yours + Fezo's = perfect.
Fezo: way cool interp of "Josie"
Dr. Mu: thanks
(no-longer-)Luckless Pedestrian, Roy: we're so jealous. More DanFest news, please!
La Vonda Staples: Fascinating post. The poetry pretty much went over my head, though...Don't worry about "DF", the real Donald would never have said "thank you." Two questions though:
--a zip code, but no street address, and two e-mails? Are you alone in that town?
--What's a "grivel?" You know what? Forget it--I don't wanna know.
Name: Roy.Scam
if.you're.not.out.there.it.would.be.a.terrible.waste.of.space
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 15:26:25
Comments:
If I may badly paraphrase a line from the movie "Contact"--'The only thing to relieve the bleakness of existence is the presence of others." -- A nice little affirmation that I get a sense of in several Becker/Fagen songs, particularly "King of the World" and "Snowbound". Anyway, I don't know if it's true; perhaps one could amuse oneself alone for his 70+ years on the planet; but I know this much: None of it would be as fun as wasting a weekend at Va. Beach with a bunch of Danheads.
I can't claim to have been present or coherent for everything that happpened, but I saw and heard enough to keep MY tiny brain full. I will list my experiences and observations in my next post (It may take a while to remember; I wasn't taking notes.) I've gotten my share of chuckles from this GB over the last year and a half; now I owe you folks about ten thousand in-person laughs. You're all fine, crazy, and funny people. Thanks again,
RS
PS: My favorite description of Fagen's voice was on the Guestbook a while back. I think it was Edd who used the phrase 'adenoids and attitude'.
Name: Mayor Rudy
Put Gov. Christy Whitman in a Tuba
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 15:15:43
Comments:
Maj. Are you serious the Tubes, didn`t they go by the Outragous Tubes in the past? Look tell those fuckin nitwits to stay in Jersey. I saw a show of theirs and they put a chic through the Tuba and a band member performed oral sex on her. We don`t need that type of behavior in the City were trying to clean are act up.
Name: Big Fan
home@last
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 14:34:11
Comments:
Glad all of the DanFesters had a good time. Wish I could have been there. Maybe next time.
Got an interesting package in the mail today from those weasels who move beneath the Earth. Book of Lairs (not a typo) double disk. Disc one is first half of concert from Block Buster Pavilion in 1993. Pretty good. Not as clean as Doing it Live, but better than most. Second disk is second half of concert from The Greek Theater. Not very good sound quality, but does have the intermission rendition of Tesla's Shadow.
Some other typos: Must be bad if I could find them, although I can't write Italian either.
All songs written by … Walter Becket
Bodistava
Queen Flower Street (my favorite)Now if I can just find those Gaucho outtakes
Name: DrMu
wasn't.even.any.Hollywood
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 14:20:05
Comments:
The Artist Formerly Known as Rudy: May I suggest
"Beast" or "Beast from the East?"Eviva: a quick Lycos search followed by our library
on-line service. Thoene seems to have quite a few pubs.
Name: rudy without a name
body without a head
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 13:36:55
Comments:
some personal notes to bring up at the next DANFEST:
1. Quit being a cheap bastard and play the two-night minimum gouge when lodging at Va. Beach
2. Sleep-in the day of the Fest so parasympathetic system doesn't kick in in the middle of festivities
3. Bring something to shield UV rays so beach fun is possible
4. Supply own martini set (just can't trust the locals)
5. Visine, visine, visine...
6. Have some milk to go with all them cookies
7. Say hello to Swedes when they phone
8. Option the second toke, but take the third
9. Bring own transportation, no matter how much St.Al insists otherwise
10. One word: nametagsjudging the response at the Fest to an obvious part of personal anatomy I shall heretofore be referred to not as Rudy, but as the JOKER.
thank you [grin].
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 13:20:05
Comments:
"She prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire ahh" conjures up only one image - Rosie is doing the Monika Lewinsky - or for my fellow Canadians (if any) the Margaret Trudeau (on Mick, or Keith or Charlie?)
It may be crude, but knowing the labido of Don and Walt, can it be far off? Would Rosie normally have blue eyes, green eys or doeish brown ones.
Ruby - What do you think the jist of "Throw Back the Little Ones" is, especially when he says the words ..."Use tact, poise and reason, and gently squeeze them." Followed by that delicious musical interlude.
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
up.on.the.hill
Location: Va Beach,
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 12:51:25
Comments:
Quick & Dirty Danfest News:
(Is there any other kind?)Mousketeer Rollcall, sound off now:
St. Al & better half
Rudy & same
(So I can't remember their names! They need proper
Dan-handles like the rest of us!)
Aja
Roy Scam
Myra Eyefull
Samantha
lisa
your humble correspondant.I had to ask the hostess to take me to the table because I didn't know any of these people on sight. Even in a herd, we don't look as odd as one might think.
Our waiter's name was "Dan". Coincidence or, as Aja conjectured, Kinky in disguise? We're still collecting evidence. (BTW, Sam, did you ever hear back from him? I'll
bet he'll treasure that napkin forever.)Ruby kindly contributed a cake recipe from which Ole(?) created a birthday cake for St. Al. The waitrons assailed us with "Happy Birthday To You" on kazoo. I wondered aloud if they took requests, as the idea of "Pretzel Logic" on kazoo suddenly appealed to me. There were no takers.
Favorite quote from dinner:
lisa -- "Would you like your area wiped?"
Samantha -- "Why yes, I would like my area wiped."Post-Fest question:
lisa, did the maids complain about having to clean up what I spewed on the carpet?Myra, did Roy still respect you in the morning?
Oleander, please send your snail address to e-celt@geocities.com. Thanks for the change of clothing. The check will be in the mail.
lisa, please tell my long-lost twin, Dr. Miller, that Mom says "Hi. Why doesn't he ever write?"
--Luckless
Name: Lester
@H.J.'s today
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 12:31:11
Comments:
Wow, the "DON", leaps in!
Name: Donald Fagen
@oh, I almost forgot
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 10:43:24
Comments:
Lavonda-- Oh, and stop plagiarizing me at your silly poetry readings or you might find yourself in the midst of a law suit.
Thanks Again
Donald Fagen
Name: Donald Fagen
DFagen@steelydan.com
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 10:21:11
Comments:
Lavonda-- Don't post any more of your poetry in this guestbook, as it sucks. And please stop making love to my music, you're making me nauseous.
Thank You
Donald Fagen
Name: mine?nawwwwww
back in the cattle saddle
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 09:29:40
Comments:
Maj©: Happy Birthday, man.
Ruby, thanks, you spoil them so - I don't even think they're glad to see me...
Clas, glad to hear (after much down scrolling) that all was received. Your kind words are appreciated.
Nice report O-Le-ward one, any other DANfest reports?
Walter, you missed some good surf last couple of weeks...
VH1fan -yeah, that would be fun, I just saw thaT for the first time yesterday...
mW
Name: Steely Dan Analyst
sda@anywhere
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 08:58:25
Comments:
It seems Le Bar Bat isn't just for Steely Dan gatherings. Check out this email I got.
NETPARTY
**********
After-Work Networking Events
For Young Professionals
*****************************
Thursday, August 27, 6 p.m. - 11 p.m. at
Le Bar Bat (311 W. 57th St., btwn 8 & 9 Aves.)
**********************************************THE NEXT NETPARTY:
Thursday, August 27 at Le Bar Bat
Name: maj©
webmaster@hrd.org
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 08:57:17
Comments:
Lucky? Is that you? Dude.....where the hell you been? Thanks for the wishes. To celebrate, I'm headed to see the Tubes at Hard Rock Cafe in Atlantic City, Tues, 8/25. Wanna go?
Can you believe that my high school daze diet of music consisted of Steely Dan and The Tubes? What a combo!!!
re: father of modern dandom.....i suppose you are refering to the Little One's love of Chain Lightnin as a lullaby. I brush my finger over his head at the part, "Turn slowly and comb your hair."
maj©
Name: fezo
sunset.grill
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 08:04:22
Comments:
DF's voice: sardonic
"prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire": makes me think of an fervent attendee at some pagan ritual involving human sacrifice; the fire in the eyes is the reflection of the flames engulfing the unlucky sacrifice victim
Name: lucky henry
@the red door
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 07:30:42
Comments:
hello.
happy birthday, major dude, the new "father" of modern dandom.
ole: sorry to have missed the gig. perhaps i should have another one at the grotto...
,
lh.
Name: vh1 fan
fan@vh1
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 06:39:00
Comments:
Any chance that Pre CBAT Steely Dan will be a topic on Rock & Roll Jeopardy any time soon?
Name: (no longer) ruDy
back at square eins
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 06:15:56
Comments:
wargh........
had such a lovely time this weekend at the beach,
I went in for a name change: I THINK it was voted on.........
not enough coffee yet to form coherency.....maybe more later
ex-rudY
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 03:26:23
Comments:
No, Ruby... uuhhh, I don't get it, how was that story? I don't remember.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 03:23:47
Comments:
Hey, I wanne share this funny story one of my Ca-friend told me the other day, it's quite funny:
JOKE: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic and a dyslexic?
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
ANSWER: Someone who lays awake all night and wonders if there really is a Hounddog.
Name: Sucretia
globestrottin
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 at 00:43:14
Comments:
add gangly, fortunate, foreboding, furry-shouldered and flexible to a brittle fault. Cross out anything and I'll change my pager number.
Your Full Figured Girl,
Suc
Name: TheStranger
at the wrong beach
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 23:20:42
Comments:
rose darling,
you were looking for me? i was just finishing 'The Last Man,' the unfinished last novel by Camus. loved it.geena,
my girl will be in touch with your girl. oh hell, i'll do it myself.oleander,
thanks much for the report. tell us more. this is good. i went up to seattle area while you guys were doing whatever you were doing in va. beach. i shouted for you but no one heard me.there's something about lisa
everybody,
looking for an activity and tired of scrabble: please add to this list describing fagen's voice (& cross off whatever you disagree with):
hip
intuitive
urban
savvy
rangy
nasal
Name: La Vonda R. Staples
selpats@swbell.net
Location: St. Louis, MO United States of America
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 21:35:19
Comments:
First of all, the music of Steely Dan - I have made love to, lost love to cried within and died within. Black Cow is the definitive song of my first divorce. I wish you would come to St. Louis. I have never heard you play live or seen you in an interview. I read you web interview tonight and i think you two are rude. But, being interviewed is not a polite process. I write songs.
I will leave you with a little bit of one of my poems:
Jumping after the beans have been lit
In the Underside of the shark's belly
and when the time did vrive for the mennunman to swivel
his grivel in the elixir of the wommentides they verily
Cried unto him the sancitimproofs of the diatribe.I love your songs sometimes I read your lyrics instead of my poetry at poetry readings. I wish you could hear me, I try to convey the pure emotion of the song.
Thank you for your influence on my existence.
La Vonda R. Staples
St. Louis MO 63136
LAVONDA_STAPLES@USA.NET
Name: oleander
oleander1@earthlink.net
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 19:34:29
Comments:
Unsolicited narrative from your roving reporter:
DANFEST III: PASH OF THE TITANS
DAY 1: In an uncanny concatenation of space-folding, the Scams, oleander, lisa, and Sunny Sam arrived virtually simultaneously at the Va Beach Super "Sorry We Only Have" 8, and were joined shortly thereafter by nomadic angel Aja. After a little appeasement of the sea gods by two female sybarites, the band of pilgrims repaired to Abbey Road, a local acoustic club, where the band played "Josie" unrequested--coincidence? Vulcan mind-meld? You be the judge. Thence to the Beatles Museum, but we were unsuccessful in our break-in attempt. Ruby, this correspondent can't be sure, but she thought she saw Kinky playing didgeridoo and djembe on the street for quarters. He wasn't bad.
The rest of the evening passed in intensive warmups of libations & sensations behind lisa & Sam's red door. No creatine, EPO, anabolic steroid, or animal testing was used in the process.
...to be continued....
Name: RubyBaby
in the light of d@y
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 14:21:04
Comments:
Geena: Someone around here once suggested that "she prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire" was a comparison of Josie to a Roman Candle. I can dig that. Did you know I went to Catholic school, too? Just for 3rd & 4th grades.I know Who's eyes are "as a flame of fire." As for el diablo - his eyes are dark as night and colder than dry ice. Don't look.
RazorBoy: I'd love to try some South African wine! I think you're right about the whole cooking/making love connection. I never thought of that before...
I think for old time's sake, I'm going to dig out my Katy Lied record and give it a spin! Side B first, of course.
Clas: You did go to the Danfest, in a way! I'm happy for you :)
Was KinkySoNSo there, too, in some way?
I'm saving pits every day for Lena, only from our tree. I hope I can send those internationally. I am determined to try. Customs around here can be real weird when it comes to agriculture. How about where you are?
rb
Name: HOF Follow-Up
it takes snail-mail
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 10:17:23
Comments:
Following up on Mitch's suggestion about communicating with the Hall Of Fame, I followed the links at rockhall.com to the following info:
All aspects of the induction process are handled by the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame Foundation, located in New York City. To suggest inductees...please contact the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Foundation, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10104. Please do
not write to the (HoF) e-mail addresses below with your induction suggestions.
Name: Mitch
voice our opinion
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 09:37:11
Comments:
While were awaiting news from Va. thought i`d pass this along. You can voice your thoughts about the induction of SD into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland at rockhall.com
Name: Mitch
wjaz-Mt. Belzoni
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 09:07:09
Comments:
Sunday noon. What is going on at the Beach, any casualties or missing people reports? I don`t think we`ll get a lot of info today, since the Danfesters will be in transit...
Name: EvivaLaughs
@post-surgery (rhythm&) blues
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 06:18:52
Comments:
Geena: Nice to meetcha too. I am fairly new to the site; stumbled on it a month or two ago and peeked in occasionally. Right now I'm stuck at home recovering from surgery, and life goes on for everyone else, so I'm bored out of my mind during the day and the GB sure is one of the fun antidotes to that...Eleven years at CBS, huh? What did you do there?
So: why does Josie "pray like a Roman" with her eyes on fire? She's not literally praying, I don't think--it's a metaphor. Romans had many pagan gods, so a Roman praying would be giving his attention to many objects of devotion. (spiritual attention-deficit-disorder :)) We already know that Josie's a "live wire" and a "raw flame" around whom everyone wants to be. She's the life of the party, dispensing her attention and fun to everyone she meets, which is why everyone loves her. It's just another expression of her fiery, extroverted personality.
Dr. Mu: Cool, I didn't know that about Bodie Thoene...Where did you find that info--on the internet?
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 03:47:57
Comments:
Oh, what a night!
I drank a sixpack of Coca Cola and smoked about twenty cigs in order to stay awake so I could speak to the Dan-festers. And I did! Three in the morning, my time, I called the hotel in V-Beach. I spoke to Lisa, Aja, Oleander and StAl. Great! They seemed pretty sober but it was only nine a clock their time so who knows what happened later? I guess we'll hear about that.
Kinky; and ".bo", that's Bolivia. :)
Name: undecided
@today...i heard a sonic boom
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 at 01:41:03
Comments:
this is a puzzle.
I'd like to pay tribute to the men behind the gun, the men
with the imagination and the know-how, the talented guys who
know how the music will sound before the band picks up an
instrument-the arrangers. He was fully of the problems because
he occasionally did some arranging. Frequently, before he
tackled his assignment, he would sketch or chart what he felt
what should be emphasized-sometimes he simply gave a song
title to one of his regular arrangers. Often he would not
want to change a single note after the first band run-though.
He said it was fun playing his solos and working in the
ensembles shoulder to shoulder with his boys.
have fun.
Name: Geena
holding up the fort with the others
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 20:25:29
Comments:
It's 11:18PM EST, does anyone know where the minds of the Danfesters are at the moment?
EvivaLaughs: I just used Satan as a reference to Dana Carvey's "church lady" routine. Being raised catholic, it also reminded me of how my catechism nuns used to use Satan, fire and damnation all in the same sentence, which once again brings me to the "burning" question, why is Josie praying like a roman with her eyes on fire?
My family left the US to live in Italy for about a year. I left 1st grade mid-year and finished the equivalent of 1st and 2nd grade in Italy. I speak fluent italian, conversational spanish and some french. I also worked for CBS Radio at several owned stations on the east and west coast for 11 years. It's so nice meeting you on the GB, are you fairly new here?
countzir0: Ah yes, Kelly Lynch, she still irks me. However, I agree with you on Heather Graham. She did a good job at feigning an OD in the drugstore. Well, the search is on for Dead City Radio, I just gotta have it!
Name: DrMu
steamin'.up.those.trans.fatty.acids
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 19:53:04
Comments:
Eviva:
Thanks for your kind words and 2 great quotes,
especially Bodie Thoene's. I did not recognize her
name, looked her up and saw that she wrote books
about public complacency regarding the Nazi programs
against Jews, handicapped children and the infirm as
their power grew during the 1930s!
Name: EvivaLaughs
@must be a Swiss Army ice cream scoop
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 16:36:14
Comments:
Geena: Gee, I dunno. Does Satan actually PRAY, is the question..:) I didn't know you went to elementary school in Italy! I've heard you mention several interesting life situations/jobs you've had. Thanx for translation on Italian..how many languages do you know, BTW? I'm so jealous of multilingual people--
countzir0: That must be some ice scream (<--- actual Freudian typo) scoop. Nah, I only give out fun awards, not dorky ones. And I can't be a nun--I have a boyfriend, remember? I think Geena's right--I'm gonna change my mind again and get that CD--Fagen on piano alone is worth it. (You aren't makin fun-a-my Catholic school education, are you? :) )
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 13:49:05
Comments:
Ruby - Your menu for listening to side B of "Katy Lied" is superb - However, would it be a Sauvingnon Blanc from California, or an import, say from Chile or South Africal? I refrain from meat, so copius portions of all three items would be quite satisfying. The answer to your question as to whether I would be involded in helping prepare the actual feast would have to, Yes! For next to love making, what other pursuit allows us the opportunity to use all five senses in its process ?- preparing, cooking and consuming food is a good partner. That's probably why humans love doing both cooking and making love? And sometimes wrestle with the excesses.
Regarding the opening track on Side B, "Everyone's Gone to the Movies," I've always loved the opening vibraphone? solo. It is something we don't hear too often in most music that last thirty years.
Razor Boy
Name: countzir0
Under the Sheltering Sky
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 10:41:06
Comments:
M-Squad: I'll choose d:)Beat him over the head with a 9-iron, then gouge his eyes out with an ice-cream scoop, call the police, then sit on his face and expel flatus.
Geena: That's Kelly Lynch you're talking about there, I believe. In my opinion, though, her good looks outshined the bitchiness of the role she played. Heather Graham, one of my favorites(what a hottie), played the girl who OD'd in that flick...pretty much an all-star cast as far as I'm concerned. I'm not really sure if Dead City Radio is in print or not, but I saw a used copy in CD World last night(there might be a few floating around--I think it wierded out some listeners). If you get it, check out "Apocalypse," which is probably the best track on the disk, typical explosive Burroughsian imagery....
Eviva: How about a "gold-star" award next time? Something I can wear on my pressed-white shirt to work every day...
Name: RubyBaby
s@m, I am
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 10:20:04
Comments:
johnboy: It was careless of me to post to whomever. I could'nt remember who asked me that very reasonable question. I was either - a) too lazy b)pressed for time c)this whole topic still affects me d) all of the above - to go back and look up your ID.As for couldn't/wouldn't : I'm not exactly sure what you were referring to there. So I played it safe & said something vague. I hate to admit when I don't get something...but that doesn't work with you, does it? So please - what is it I couldn't do?
Could I, would I in a box? Could I, would I with a fox? Could I, would I up a tree? Could I, would I on your knee? Could I, would I gently squeeze? Could I, would I? tell me please!
rb accidental dismissal queen
Name: Clas
saturday
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 09:35:13
Comments:
RubyBaby; nice, be sure they are from your tree! That would be great if she could grow them up in her greenhouse! And add number 22 after the streetaddress (Johan Printz Väg 22). You forgot that the last time and the postman was so confused. We don't wont the postman to ring twice?
Geena; I'll try that!
Fezo; thanks. I'm glad they're not showing him in Sweden. Yet.
Doc Kelly; thanks.
Dr Mu; no she wasn't testy. Okay, when I came up with that "producer-questions", yeah, she became a little... testy.
YGK;
"What format are you going to put it in?"
- CD
"What kind of copyright protection does Sweden have?"
- international
"What's the copy count?"
- to the regulars on this book, what can it be? 25?
"Who will do the prints and how will you construct the master?"
- CD "Peak" - program, cassette is digitized in Protools, create file and bounce... hey I really don't know, my tech-pal is trying to explain it to me on the phone right now but... Your copyright is protected with a "flag" on "your" file (song).
And no, I'm not a German, you can see it on the end of my email-address - "se" = Sweden. Ask Ruby, she knows who I am.
Name: Geena
DanFesters, behave yourselves!
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 08:25:25
Comments:
I'm wondering what those Danfesters are up to right now?
M-Squad: hmmm...good question... If the mugger were in my house, I would beat the shit out of him, I would then call the police and when they finally arrive, I would be found sitting on the mugger's back and saying louder, I can't hear you! as he begs to breathe, but on the other hand, I would hope that my extremely large boned, 18 lb. male, flame-point siamese, who is very protective of me would scratch his eyes out.Eviva: Josie is definitely a catholic, anyone who would pray like a roman has to be, but why would her eyes be on fire? could it be.......SATAN!
Michele Bensa: Bienvenudi amica! sono molto contento che arrivato un altra paesana qui, mi scusi che non scrivo tanto bene pero sono tanto anni che hai finito la prima media a scuola. Alora, ti piace Steely Dan?
TRANSLATION: Welcome friend! very happy to see another homegirl girl here, sorry for the poor writing, it's been a long time since I left elementary school in Italy. So, how did you come to like Steely Dan?
countzer0: I haven't seen the movie in many years, but, if I remember correctly, he played an aging recovering heroin addict turned church type minister named Father Pete. Matt Dillon's character was trying to kick and he went to Burroughs for guidance. I agree he does have a very haunting voice. Dillon and Burroughs were great together. I didn't like the woman (can't remember her name) who played Dillon's girlfriend. her dialogue and acting were very poor and she used the word "goddamn" unnecessarily too many times in the movie. She irked me. Do you remember that? I hope the Dead City Radio CD is still in print, that haunting voice may probably sound like it's coming from his grave now, but just to hear Fagen on the piano would be good enough for me.
Clas: glad you like that ice coffee recipe, it beats drinking hot coffee in the summer. Now try adding a little vanilla flavoring or cinammon to it. It'll get better!
Name: M-Squad
@detectives on the case
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 04:49:30
Comments:
Question; What would you do if "the mugger" was in your
house?
a)call the police
b)beat the shit out of him
c)sit down and say louder, I can't hear you
Name: What's my favorite album?
@really unfair question
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 04:37:37
Comments:
Tryin' to pin me down are ya. GOOD LUCK!
Name: EvivaLaughs
@Hi Michele!
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 04:27:04
Comments:
Michele Bensa: Welcome! How great, this place is getting more international all the time--Cool! Italy, Sweden, Ireland...Yeah, I think Josie is a Catholic because we know how to PARTY :)! (And by the way, I HAVE seen Catholics pray like that--though not me, I'm not that good and not bein' in the habit-a-looking in the mirror when I pray!) Have fun in this GB..the ONLY thing we have in common is that we all love SD! What't your favorite album, Michele?
To "I LOVE STEELY DAN"'s post: (**long, happy sigh**) Yeah.
Name: jim bob
@I'm telling on you johnboy
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:53:18
Comments:
you bess git yo ass to sleep johnboy or i'm tellin
and you getz to chop all the firewood. i ain't joshin now.
Name: VOTER
@ballot box
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:38:36
Comments:
1)Walter Becker&one hellova first lady
2)Donald Fagen&one hellova first lady
3)Capt.Jean-Luc Picard...think about this ticket folks.
Name: michael o'toole
@home
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:30:03
Comments:
will walter sing on the new one, if he doesn't, i'll be
pissed, and i don't mean maybe, no offense to other SD
member, but i say he sounds GOOOOOOOOOD, double album,
what ya think?
Name: johnboy
fat.man.in.the.bathtub
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:23:15
Comments:
Forgot to mention the SD website is updated (see how upset I am by your dismissal Ruby?)
Name: johnboy
house.on. the. hill
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:15:14
Comments:
rudy: Picture on the front is Fagan (looks about 17 years old) on stage(!) holding something (too small to identify) in the air. Sounds to me like several different voacalists other than Fagan or Palmer. It's not up to the standards set on the "official" albums but nevertheless interesting.
Ruby: I suspect you would if you could..... If you "won't", why not? Your reply to me addressing me as "whomever" leads me to believe that your dismissal of the question I asked you was personal. Why?
Name: I LOVE STEELY DAN!
@I LOVE STEELY DAN!
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 03:07:08
Comments:
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ITALY, BUT THANK THE GREAT LORD FOR
SHARING THOSE geez, I can't even think of a word great
enough for them...how about...I still can't think of a
word to even begin to describe them...ah thank you,GOD!
Name: Michele Bensa
missioni@split.it
Location: Genoa, ITALY
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 at 02:37:42
Comments:
If Josie prays like a Roman with her eyes on fire, then every Roman I know should be a Roman Catholic better than I am !
Unfortunately, I've never seen a Roman Catholic praying like that in my whole life (if Josie is really Catholic, it's another matter). Beside that, did ever Donald or Walter visited Italy ?
Name: Rikudim (Amy Westfall)
rikudim@hotmail.com
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 23:54:02
Comments:
Two words sums it up: KIIIIIIICK ASS
Name: One of Doc's patients
@she ran out of paper printing so i said get more
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 21:45:00
Comments:
Can i say something to everyone here, you have done more
for me than you will ever know. GOD BLESS YOU FROM MY HEART.
I would also like to say, to clas, how about a bash? A huge
PARTY in your honor. OK? Also, another word for cheap, how
about bargain. I send my thanks to each and every one of
you fellow Steely Dan Lovers, you've got to know one simple
fact, your taste in perfection is a quality that I admire.
Name: Dad knew all along
@hope there's room in the dugout!
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 21:25:10
Comments:
In case the clinton's push the button down.
I wonder what they said, oh shit, that one missed?
Name: EvivaLaughs
@assassins, cons and capers
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 18:18:18
Comments:
countzir0: Ah, but it's "a virus wearing pumps and pearls"--Donald Fagen...I forget who said "Language was invented so that men could conceal their true thoughts and intentions" ?
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted"--now THERE'S a Clinton quote for you. If you're not careful, count, you're gonna get another award (if "nothing is true" then how can that very statement be true? :) ) After what you and Kid Charlemagne said I just may skip getting that CD after all. From your two descriptions--my apologies if I offend Burroughs' fans--I can practically hear the fuses blowing in the guy's head from here...(Now I know why I never got around to reading "Naked Lunch") Plus I'm kinda allergic to relativism, as will become obvious in a moment...
Dr. Mu: Yea!!! Someone standin' tall for Truth, Justice and the (what seems to be becoming the UN-) American Way! No particular need for me to search archives about said accused person (anyone considering being stupid enough to put privacy/personal safety at risk over anything as trivial as some GB fun can do that) but all your principles are RIGHT on. (And you are right right right about the Dan's repertoire having a definite moral center, albeit always skewering their targets with seemingly off-kilter satiric genius.) So here's a coupla quotes for you too:
"Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand"--Bodie Thoene
"We are all pilgrims on the same journey--but some pilgrims have better road maps."--Nelson DeMille'Nuff said.
Name: rubybaby
pe@chy
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 16:23:48
Comments:
Clas: You may tell Lena that I'll send her a bag of peach pips.
The Doc is right - it's pit.Johnboy: Couldn't or wouldn't?
YGK: "Judge not lest ye be judged" is not a philosophy. It's a simple warning meant for everyone's benefit. I don't condone, but if one is repentant, I forgive. I try not to bring up the past on a whim... And please go easy on Lena. I don't believe English is her first language.
Rudy: My Ida Lee has no such throat clearing! Did they clean it up for ROTL, or is there more than 1 demo? I want the flaws, too!
rb
Name: Honorable Mayor Rudy
premature pollster ejaculation
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 13:34:41
Comments:
Dr. Mu: It is far too early for 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVE. The political junkies are telling me it will be Dan Quayle. I`m not
a betting person, but i wouldn`t bet counterfeit money on him. The Bush clan has plenty of support and plenty of money. The election is over two years away ,so a lot can happen till then. Steve Forbes will have imput on the right as well. The Democrats will more than likely be weaker by then. Public sentiment always lags behind in polling. If its only Zippergate they can overcomeit. Perjury and Obstruction of Justice , no fuckin way. I think the real bomb will Campaign Chinagate. If the masses conclude that Gore was in on the fix, he`ll be finished. If the clueless majority thinks he was just following orders,(The Third Reich Gang tried that line before) and was just a cheerleader he`ll have a good shot. Dick Gepheart is too far too the left. Elections are won today in the center...Newt is one of the great thinkers,of our time,but branded Right wing radical.
Name: KidCharlemagne
get @long
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 13:04:16
Comments:
yeah, the William Burroughs spoken word stuff is indeed strange. I didn't realize there were whole CD's. The track I've heard is a version of REM's "Star Me Kitten" where he speaks the lyrics (and some extraneous gibberish) over the band's instrumental work. Burroughs maintains this grating, almost accusatory tone, punctuating his detached phrases with very lecherous utterances of "fuck me, kitten!" Bizarre-o, let me tell you.
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 10:19:56
Comments:
Clas: Peach Pit
still lurkin'...
Name: DrMu
BigNoise
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 09:28:24
Comments:
Mayor Rudy: Let me congratulate you on your outstanding performance as mayor of the Big Apple! Your strategy and execution were flawless:
FIRST: Clean the MESS up and throw them all in jail.
THEN and ONLY THEN: Persuade the citizens to be nice.
Does this mean that you'll give the Shabazz(sp?) group their permits to march in Harlem?
Perhaps you will join with our fine governor George W. Bush on the Rep. ticket in '00??
Clas: I thought Joni was a little testy with you. BTW, the Miles tune (at least the version I have) she referred to ("My Funny Valentine") early in the interview is NOT with Shorter...it's with Coltrane and Garland in 1954
Name: countzir0
"Language is a Virus" --William Seward Burroughs
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 07:23:30
Comments:
Simon: You want to blow me, eh? Sorry dude, I'm purely heterosexual. I can understand why you might be attracted to me, but it's just not going to happen, alright? Sorry to break your pathetic little heart like that...jackass.
Geena: Yeah, I saw Burroughs in Drugstore Cowboy, didn't he play an aging-heroin-addict-turned-church-minister-type-role? It's been years since I saw that movie, but I loved it when he showed up in the end there, what an unbelievable and haunting voice on that guy. Also one of Van Sant's best works, in my estimation. Hassan i Sabbah is an ancient leader whom Burroughs enjoyed studying and also wrote about himself--here's a quotation from Burroughs:
""Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." The last words of Hassan i Sabbah, Old Man of the Mountain. "Tamaghis ... Ba'dan ... Yass-Waddah ... Waghdas ... Naufana... Ghadis."
It is said that an initiate who wishes to know the answer to any question need only repeat these words as he falls
asleep and the answer will come in a dream."" This comes from a text that Burroughs wrote called "Cities of the Red Night."Eviva: Burroughs (yes, the same Burroughs)is now dead, but in the late eighies and early nineties he came out with a series of spoken word CD's. One of them "Dead City Radio" contains a track featuring Donald Fagen on piano. Sonic Youth also did a cut called Dr. Benway's house--Bull Lee, can you hear me? Anyway, throughout the CD, Burroughs spouts about Hassan I Sabbah. I was about nineteen when I first heard the CD, and I guess it left a lasting impression on me. I must warn you about the CD: if you decide to purchase it, get ready for some extremely strange schtuff...
Baron Samedi: How's this for biting?--anybody who doesn't like what I say in here can fucking eat shit....hehehehe.
Name: Mayor Rudy
staff meeting at 10:30
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 07:19:27
Comments:
DR. MU: I get the feeling that the criticism on morality and being mushy is directed towards me. I am neither mushy or soft on crime , my record speaks for itself. I replaced a pathetic mayor if there ever was one David Dinkins, now there is a guy who would rationalize away Claus`s behavior,i just won`t beat a dead horse like you do. I do authorize picking up the trash on time and beating up on crackdealers and crackheads
Roy Scam: I love Harlem Nocturne (theme of Mike Hammer) Phil Woods does a great solo on DR. WU
Name: YGK
..
Location: Not Virginia,
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 06:51:28
Comments:
DanFesters: wishing you a wonderful gathering full of good vibes, good tunes, chiba chiba and memories....
Name: The Honorable
Mayor Rudy
Location: N.Y. N.Y.,
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 06:51:10
Comments:
Danfesters: I`m posting this morning from my office at Tammany Hall. This address goes out to the people going to Virginia Beach. While i`m not familiar with Virginia`s laws, i do know that the smoking of products not made by Philip Morris or R.J. Reynolds is against the law. I am aware that they also enforce the fornication statute. Have a great time, i`m sending one of my security men down just to make sure Lisa partys safely... I would very much like to be a part of the festivitees, but Gotham City requires my attention. I`d like to host Danfest 4,but realistically my city is too fuckin expensive. I`d be glad to help out in the selection process so that the rest of the G.B. that don`t live in the Southern Atlantic coast region can have the opportunity to attend a future Danfesta! Making The City great again , Rudolf P.S. Geena e- me i have a great story for you.
Name: rudy
auxiliary rockets beginning final countdown to ecstasy
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 06:35:36
Comments:
for the reps. attending the Danfest convention, we have a lock on alternate activities at Peabody's (22nd street and Pacific): an old college buddy is playing in his band's LAST GIG ever! No SD covers, to be sure, but it'll be there for the taking in....
johnboy: did this CD have a grey-metal printed background? You're looking at some (but not all) early recordings: pre-CBAT, looked down on by some as unworthy but hey, it's Becker & Fagan (sic)! Enjoy the crappy recording quality, the slightly-flat harmonics, the throat clearing in "Ida Lee" (my fave on the album)....
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Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 06:34:38
Comments:
Clas: with regards to the GB CD - I must say I'm a bit leary - nothing personal, really - sending my music to someone I really don't know from Adam. I finished a solo piano Album back in the 80's, and unwisely sent it to this guy named Guthrie Thomas of Eagle Records - anyone ever heard of him? he took the record companies profits and sniffed it, and then, allegedly went to Germany? - Clas, that's not you, is it? I KNOW (you said) you're not in Germany.
So until I finish half my CD - (still waiting for the $ for the horn section to finish "Steely Dan Movie" and "Puerto Rican Girlfriend", I have some cuts I could send, but anyway,
I need to know stuff, like...
What format are you going to put it in?
What kind of copyright protection does Sweden have?
What's the copy count?
Who will do the prints and how will you construct the master?These and other questions will soften this skeptics heart.
Starr-ingly yours,
ygk
Name: fezo
gettin.in.the.hot.tub.Hot!!!
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 06:28:41
Comments:
the men in white are looking for me, I just rounded the corner in the hall, heading toward my office, jubilant at the thought of the first jolt of caffeine about to enter my system, and decided to celebrate the coming buzz with a spontaneous rendition of "Pretzel Logic", Forgettin' for the moment that there are about 150 other people on the floor, about 50 of whom are right now wondering why i'm planning to tour the southland and whose shoes am i suddenly interested in
Clas: Geraldo is an American journalist known for his sensationalism and bushy mustache. A white Oprah Winfrey with a lot more brains but a lot less social conscious
Name: Clas
Pompe is working today
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 04:10:58
Comments:
Roy Scam; Cool. A tape will do. And have a good time. I will call, be sure to be there.
Geena; Joni was a winner of the Swedish Polar Prize and she was in Stockholm. It was a pressconference but most of the questions was asked by me (she became a little pissed of me when I asked why she never used a producer (uh, those STRONG woman)). And at the end I brought up Steely Dans name, I was trying to make them win the prize the year after.
And thanks for the icecoffee-recipe. I use to bring it down to the office. It's real good, I call it Geena Colada.
RubyBaby; maybe I should ask this on email but what the hell: Lena asked me to ask you if you could send her a peach-pip (is that really the word for the hard thing in the middle of the fruit, Pip?)
Anyone else who is into sending me their own music, for the GBook-CD? Ygk? Kinky?
Minah; are you here?
Name: johnboy
goofin'.with.the.bees
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 at 02:51:29
Comments:
Oleander: The Talking Heads passage is, unfortunately, a distortion of reality and describes what PURPORT to be facts. My favorite is Harry Nilsson from the Point: "You see what you wanna see and hear what you wanna hear".
Please add Chris Isaak (or if you prefer, his previous incarnation, Roy Orbison) to the list.countzir0: You were indeed here for at least one of the death threats Clas made a few weeks ago. In all firness, however, when I expressed my concern, he did reduce them to threats of simple physical violence.
Ruby: Couldn't do it could you?
Anybody: Picked up a cd the other day called simply "Steely Dan featuring Walter Becker and Donald Fagan". No liner notes. Early(?) versions of some songs (ie. Brooklyn) and others that didn't make it onto any albums. Anybody know anything about this one?
(re-engaging lurking device).....
Name: Tomorrow's Milton Berle
temporarybraintattoos
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 23:24:13
Comments:
The management of Virginia would like to welcome all Dansters participating in this weekend's Dan Fest II. We want your meeting to be pleasurable, memorable, and above all, safe. Please review the following guidelines to assure your "Carribee Run" doesn't digress into just another round of Beach Blanket Bingo:
1. All lines and seating arrangements must strictly follow the classic, "Boy, Girl, Kinky, Boy, Girl, Kinky" design.
2. Listen to Saint Al's Mother and do what she says.
3. If a spleef is particularly pungent, suck it up and hold it like Joe Tex taught you. Schwinn is more than likely the Kamakiriadishian technician of said skunk. Listen for the "Thrum".
4. Don't be alarmed if El Supremo appears at the top of the La Quinta stairwell. Despite his ramblings he can direct you to your room faster than Edd can hook up his oscilloscope.
5. Please, respect the official occupancy capacities posted on your hotel / motel door. The State of Virginia is in no way responsible for the damage that may result when a dozen Dannites begin moshing to Roy's rendition of "Purple Haze" in the confines of Lisa's unit.
6. And remember, "Ozium is not only fun to say; it's easy to spray."
Thank YouTMB
Name: oleander
toward the dunes
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 22:10:04
Comments:
Kinkster--Mwah.
Edd--Yes, I will, and with a grin.
Schwinn--All right, and you too.
YGK--My favorite quote about "facts" is that one by the Talking Heads--remember? "Facts are simple and facts are straight/ Facts are lazy and facts are late/ Facts all come with points of view/ Facts don't do what I want them to/ Facts just twist the truth around..." etc. About sums it up, if Heisenberg hadn't already.
I-man--Hey, you're back!! Thanx for the sweet offer! Latte at Beanstreet's? Or some hush puppies at Little Pigs? E me. And if you change your mind before tomorrow am, call me!
Clas, Geena--c'mon back, guys, the spasm appears to be over for now.
Mu--standards are essential, but the devil is in the angles.
Farewell, all, off to shine up the battle apple.... Details at eleven.
Name: DrMu
towelling off
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 21:27:57
Comments:
The best, man. I'll sing the whole album here
at home in honor of the occasion
Name: Roy.Scam
the.eve.of.danstruction
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 21:19:36
Comments:
The I: Uprights bring magic boxes to sandpile city by large water. Boxes good- make happy sounds when uprights pet their strings or push their teeth. Some boxes eat silver wafers and spit music. Music make pain stop. Chase evil memories and no-fair dreams. Maybe holy lady hold the I and sing JosieHome. The I be safe from whitecoats and ugly voices. Must come to sandy place. Must be 18 and have picture I.D.
Myra Eyefull: I'm all wet, huh? You're a spirited little philly, aren't you? I like a woman who can hold her own (and I'm particularly fond of one who can hold mine also.) Be there, Virginia Beach, Friday and Saturday, and we'll find out if you can fire off these feisty phrases without honkering over a keyboard for 20 minutes per sentence. We'll see what sort of desultory diatribes you can improvise without your spell-check or your linguistics coach.
Did anyone but me notice how much the end of the sax solo in "Doctor Wu" is influenced by a particular measure of "Harlem Nocturne"? Would this be categorized as tribute or would it slide over into the domain of 'borrowing'? Anyway, it's one of the outstanding instrumental solos on an album that's incredibly rich with great insrumental solos: Black Friday, Bad Sneakers, Chain Lightining, Rose Darling,etc. What an amazing series of recording sessions.
RS
Name: DrMu
andonemorething
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 21:11:43
Comments:
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be
civil, with of course an occasional wisecrack.
We should. Ignore the fLAME-brains like Simon
and WrongGuestbook etc. whenever possible
who NEVER have anything
constuctive to say about SD or anything else.
But, if they persist, let 'em have it!OH Yeah, MOST importantly: for all congregating
for DanFestIII have a great time! Extra points if
you sing 2nd arrangment as a round or a roulade.
Name: DrMu
mental.moral.spiritual.decline
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 20:55:57
Comments:
WARNING: Scroll to avoid preaching if you're offended
I've tried to keep my mouth shut about a
certain trend that concerns me in the GB, but
I can no longer and wish to get to the "heart of the
matter:" this is all I will say about it.
YGK, Kinky, Johnboy, and I seem to have
psyches and personalities which are as DIVERSE
as could be. But we do believe in FACTS,
ACCOUNTABILITY, and some kind of MORAL and
ETHICAL standards. This is not to say that we do not
believe in forgivenss.
If someone robs me of my paycheck which we need to feed our 2 kids, I will forgive the person in time, but I
expect legal punishment and compensation of that
individual. note: in the Henley song it takes
him TWO YEARS to come to grips with the breakup and
let it go.
Without some tradition, and ethical and moral standards, and some code of law a society crumbles. What alarms me is this blind, Chamberlainesque, mushy notions that if we just
say "I forgive you" or give someone the "benefit of the
doubt" then all the bad things will go just away or they
never happened. I'm beginning to wonder if some folks here
actually UNDERSTAND some of the underlying themes in the
SD discography. They made records during an era where
flower power, love-ins, mellowness, and THC still permeated much of "pop" music. The tried to actually say something with intelligence, wit, and humor. One of the messages was
that there is tremendous EVIL and FOLLY in this world.
We can't change that by simply avoiding it, otherwise we enable
it. For those that wish simply to hold hands and
God forgive pass any judgement on anyone, please visit
the following Moody Blues site where one can comment on the color of the shirt and jewelry that Justin Hayward wore in a 1986 concerthttp://www.beautifulceiling.com/mbmb/MBMB1.html
If this were not cyberspace, I might be offended at
those who categorize us as "Clas-basher" even though
they have not even taken the time to check out the
facts which are accessible in the Archives. Look, I
don't have anything against Clas - he's probably a
decent guy at heart, but he's DONE indecent things in
the past, and Geena was not aware of them. It is an
alarming sign of illness in a society when people who
simply point out the facts are considered by fashion
"the bad guys." There are some similarities in this
Clinton mess (BTW, I support the action against
Osama bin Laden's terrorists if the facts are correct).be offended by the
Name: EvivaLaughs
@can't believe I missed a Fagen
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 19:16:46
Comments:
countzir0: you're right about your quote fitting the GB, world and national events. (Especially today **shudder**. When has Clinton ever bombed anything before? Half a guess why he did it. Unbelievable.) I was funning you cause the quote, internally, is a non sequitur-ian marvel. In only six words, Hassan i Sabbah commits not one but two non sequiturs (okay, okay, if you wanna get technical, one self-refuting logical fallacy and one simple non sequitur--whaddya want from me?). See 'em?
I'd never heard that very interesting story (did you say you were a FAN of the guy who did all that?) But here's the real question--HOW did I miss hearing about any piano track by Fagen on a CD? And is this the same William Burroughs from whom our beloved Dan took their name? I'm confused--isn't he a little old now to be singing on CD? Please advise w/details so I can run to store and snap up said CD. Thanks--
Name: Geena
Love saying "Ice Caps"
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 18:38:49
Comments:
kamfire: Unfortunately, the stuff still comes into the US in droves because there is such a high demand for it. I find it hard to understand why we're not doing enough to control it. It's the drug choice of the 90's, much like cocaine was in the 80's. The worst part is that unlike the 40's through mid 80's it purer today than ever and those who foolishily chance trying it often become hooked at first try. Heroin addicts no longer come from low socio-economic environments, the drug is widely used by the very wealthy.
countzir0: I loved your poem to Rose Darling, that was very considerate of you. Maybe when I go away on vacation in a few weeks, you'll write one for me too? William S. Burroughs is also one of my favorites, did you see his small role in Drugstore Cowboy? After reading his books and some of his biography, it was amazing to see that this man was real. I recognized him immediately and almost felt like I knew him personally. Who is Hassan i Sabbah?
Clas: Yes, I did read the interview and thought it was interesting. I've never been a big fan of Joni until i worked at a radio station with an earthy-crunchy-granola format. The Program Director loved her and made sure she was in heavy rotation on the playlist. I heard a lot of deep cuts from her albums and thought they were far better to listen to than her more popular tunes. Who did you say the interviewer was? It didn't specify.
Mayor Rudy: Your leadership qualities are what makes NYC the greatest city in the US. Funny that you mention strength in Diversity, did you know that I volunteer my time once a month to hold seminars on the subject of diversity in the workplace at major corporations? Also wondering if you could have your Executive Secretary find out for me if the restaurant "Il Cortello" (the knife) still exists? I believe it was in little Italy. no problem if you can't, I once had a great dinner there and the waiters made me feel right at home with their Rudy-ness. You're still doing a great job!
To those of you attending the DanFest this weekend, have a wonderful time and a Margarita on me!
Name: Mayor Rudy
mcharl6651@aol.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 18:28:05
Comments:
Geena: If a President can make a confession ,well so can the mayor of the greatest city in the world . E-me i have a great story for you .The Honorable Mayor Rudy
Mayor Daley: If you want all the degenerates in my city you can have them , You know that i`m a no-nonsense kind of guy and that i was going to contact Interpol(police) and have Claus brought to justice. Geena promised to get him some professional help , so i gave him a pass (city lingo=gave him a second chance) I`m no bleeding heart... In fact I`d even throw darts at a map of Terroist camps and then bomb whatever targets my darts hit...
Name: mitch
sex on a beach, or an oval office
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 17:52:57
Comments:
The old 486 was outta action, needed more memory. The GB is heating up again i see. The 2 topics getting headlines are Clas-bashing and Clinton... Was today a legit response to terrorism, or a Grenada type smokescreen ? Wag wag wag dog. I hope that the Danfest is a success and everyone has a blast. I would like to thank Lisa for her committment to the event and I`m sure there are many GB`ers like myself who would be there ,but can`t make it.....oh well party on and have a toast to D-fest 4 at a site and time to be named later...
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 17:16:20
Comments:
I'm away for a few days and it looks like tons of posts to catch up on but when I weed out the Clas and Clinton posts it wasn't bad at all!
RubyBaby....we had really heavy haze both nights and only got to see a few. Guess I'll just have to wait on the next one.
It looks as if the little woman can NOT get off of work before 5pm on Saturday so that would put us arriving at the beach about 10pm that night and I'm sure everyone will be severely toasted by then (I would be!). So I guess we're gonna miss out on the shindig as much as we both hate it. Sometimes life sucks but whatcha gonna do?
Name: Triple Sun Weather Service
Far Arcturus
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 15:09:34
Comments:
Updated Weather Forecast for Tidewater Area on
Saturday, August 22: Partly Cloudy;
High = 86; Low = 65
Name: kamfire
throughwithbuzz
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 14:56:09
Comments:
YGK, the weirdest thing came to mind after reading you post. I was just reminded of an incident not to long ago which brought both the songs CK and Charlie Freak to mind. While going out to the corner to get just a bag of Cheezy Checkers a young man yelled that his girlfriend wasn't breathing. Of course being the only one CPR certified and clinched by a never ending conscience I offered assistance. Although I blindly offered to help in any way not knowing what the hell was going on, as the cops arrived after being flagged down, the guy states that she OD on smack. I immediately threw up my hands in disgust and walk in the store to finish purchasing my snacks.
Even though I didn't get to involved in my efforts I was still thankful I bailed in time. The girl was good looking, from a well-to-do family, and knew what she was doing, which was the saddest element of the whole thing. Afterwards I went home and listened to CF and some JB, particularly the song King Heroin. Shits amazing, between JB and the Dan they spoke about the dangers of this shit well over 20 years ago. Ooh well, no remorse taken or given. Sorry to vent, but it just came to mind. One things for sure, I will never risk my neck for a fucking hype again.Regretfully I won't be able to make the 'Fest, have a wedding to attend(yes another bud will hereby sacrifice himself to his woman). Unfortunately I'll have to drive to the Adirondacks where the the fences have less pickets and the smiles (if any) will bear less teeth.
StAl: no offense in shitting, on VA Beach, but I'm serious about the New York gig.
Name: Simon
CountoBlowme.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 13:55:30
Comments:
Mike- This is not a Steely Dan site. People here talk about everything but Steely Dan. I agree with what you said but wish more people would focus on the Steely Dan part. I think Counto thinks this is the We Are The World guest book and everybody should just hold hands and be one big happy boring family.
Name: YGK
..
Location: Wow City,
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 13:43:27
Comments:
So I guess you're arguing a case for Steely Dan Lite - half the smugness, none of the 'tude. You sound like a Hootie fan, Mick, what flower did you come out from under? or, since you want us to lighten up, what were you lightin' up?
*peace*
get back, Jack and do it again,
ygk
Name: Mike
Mick684@hotmail.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 13:12:02
Comments:
Count0: I take all the stuff said here very lightly. I don't enjoy bashing people myself, but I kind of like reading some of these posts. I think they're entertaining and I really don't believe they are meant to harm anyone. Of course that's just my own opinion and i could be wrong; but I hope not. I think this GB needs a bit of this type of humour from time to time. It is a Steely Dan site. Take a listen to some of the old Fagan & Becker interviews from the 70's, after they got through with the interviewer the poor guy wished he never got into the business. So I'm not surprised some of their fans come off as wiseass jerks too. If people are harrassing others in real life (phone calls) that is a different story, but they deserve the benefit of the doubt too. All I can say is that I hope everything said here is in good fun because I have always enjoyed Fagan & Becker's cutting remarks and always beilieved they were just joking around. At least I hope they were! Maybe we should all lighten up a little and remember who this site is dedicated to.PS. Sorry for rambling
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 12:28:43
Comments:
Count/Others: my apologies to anyone who thinks I ramble a bit too much about all this...
*peace*
....having dinner the other night with my babe, and were talking about drugs, overuse, chemical labs and some sad drug related news about people I know, when on comes over the stereo Kid Charlemagne. Having been invited to dinner, and my mate knowing my passion for our Dan-Gods, I asked, "did you make a special request?".
alas, nay, she didn't, but it was a pleasure to have dinner while we checked out the virtual entirety of 'Decade'.A Synchronous Moment indeed,
ygk
Name: countzir0
hiding from the madman I'm longing to be
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 12:16:02
Comments:
YGK: You argue a good point(have you ever considered practicing law?), and like I said, I was never party to the earlier goings-on of the GB. I just tend to like everyone who posts here (except fucko's like Simon/Wrong Guestbook and Chrissy Hindsight)if for no other reason than the fact that they are fellow Steely Dan fanatics. I find nothing wrong with anyone not following the "Judge Not" philo as that would be quite hypocritical of me. But I do feel that not judging others helps keep an open mind, and personally feel that Clas, if deserving of any punishment, will in due time have those punishments visited upon him karmatically. I guess I just dislike seeing people hurt, and maybe I'm way off base here, but isn't there already enough hatred and pain in the world already without insults being hurled around? And I guess I contradict myself at the same time, since I've always said that we should be honest and un-anonymous with feelings in the GB...fuck, I'm just rambling now, and I'm not even really sure I care. Anyway, you know what I'm trying to say, I just can't stutter it in the stupor of the two Valium I just popped...
Eviva: I felt that the "Nothing is true, everything is possible" quotation fit nicely with the whole Clinton drama that's been unfolding nationwide, worldwide, and guestbookwide. Also, I've just always been a big fan of Hassan i Sabbah, AND William S. Burroughs who also uses the same quotation on his "Dead City Radio" CD of a few years back, which notably has one track in which our beloved Fagen plays piano. Hassan i Sabbah was the founder of a group of people called "the assassins." He would feed his troups hashish and then lead them into a room full of fine foods and women, and for hours allow them to partake in whatever pleasures pleased them. Hassan misled the assassins into thinking that they'd taken a trip to heaven, and promised that if they followed his orders, in death, they would be transported back to that tent full of good food, women, and hashish dreams. I always thought that was an interesting story...
RubyBaby: I just heard that rap song where they sample "Black Cow," and damn, those guys suck. Just imagine if that group teamed up with Steely Dan like Puff Daddy did with Robert Plant. That's the only way I can imagine Steely Dan might be booed off the stage, although they'd probably find a way to make it sound good...
Name: DrMu
hideinhere
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 11:49:25
Comments:
RudY: Holy shit! Look what happens when the Bill Clinton is cut-off and gets a little tense. Plus, I'm sure that's one "vacation" he wanted to end early, anyway. Hey, if he rushed back to DC, he can get direct the Chrysler limo to the Georgetown area. It's gotta be sorority rush season.
Whew! Just checked outside to make sure I observed no Middle-Eastern men with metal brief cases walking by or a mushroom cloud on the horizon...well back to downloading government documents
Name: RUDy
whoa!
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 11:10:40
Comments:
lookee what Clinton's doing now.....
....anyone see that movie "Wag The Dog"?
you see what happens when the Executive Branch gets embarassed....
Name: rubybaby
just @ stone's throw away
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 10:38:09
Comments:
Clas: Hey, you NordiCA! Glad you like the tape.
MidniteCruiser: You won't believe what happened out here the entire week of the Perseids - clouds to the north & east! Nada, that's what I saw. How about you?
Edd: I like the glitches that we find in the music. It makes it seem more...alive. I'm glad they kept a few.
rb
Name: Roy.Scam
except.for.that.one.roulade
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 10:30:13
Comments:
Kid C: I'm bringing my ax to the Danfest, but I'm a bit intimidated at the moment. The wife and I saw John Hammond (as good a Delta style blues man as I know of) live last night in Williamsburg. Amazing how someone can make so many people happy by singing and playing the blues for two hours. He's crying about hellhounds and love in vain and I'm smiling and tapping my toes; that must be what they call your middle class empathy. And after watching the man's hands all evening, I still know no more than I did about how to play that stuff; his hand is so much quicker than my eye, I can't even tell what chords he plays.
Clas: Sign me up for a copy of Guestbook Music Volume 1. I'm afraid I have no DAT or CD copies of my stuff however so I'll settle for being a Side-B rarity with flaws and static. The listener can take it like one of those old Robert Johnson motel room recordings.
Oleander: Phoebe, Reba, and Aretha come to mind, but I heard from a reliable source that Kathy Berberian was the best.
RS
Name: EvivaLaughs
@TRYING to let it lie
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 10:19:52
Comments:
rudY: Just tryin' to get along as much as possible...note I said "IF" I misunderstood Kinky--after all, he's a human being too (as far as I know). And I don't make a habit-a-losing my temper like that. Why, I didn't even give him the rise out of me he was looking for when he posted that pathetic e-mail address...Being a big fan of Rose Darling, I think her "virtual camaraderie" is somethin' to shoot for. We'll see about the Kink...
countzirO: Nice, nice poem for our Darlin Rose; she's the sweetest lady on this GB. Much welcome for the just-havin-fun award; yah mon, you make me laugh much with response to it. That was for "nothing is true/everything is possible" (didn't know you posted quotes regularly).
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 09:31:35
Comments:
Count: my last 'late night booty call' was to my then college girlfriend who was enthusiastically thrilled to hear from me, and asked me over - we had been seeing each other, in person, for a year and a half. In fact, quite often, she would initiate the booty calls - wow, imagine that!
However - and I will do my best to 'lay off' the swede from now on, this is boring - the swede called many times unwelcomed, making lewd suggestions to MARRIED WOMEN, or, at least, single girls who want to stay that way - FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. That's a hell of a booty call to unappreciative women.
Perhaps David Copperfield makes or receives bi-continental booty calls to/from Claudia - however, here, at this GB, the calls are not mutually beneficial, more often than not.
And you say "Judge not, lest yourselves be judged" - well, I don't ascribe to that philo - I have a mind and use it, and am capable on making judgements based on solid experience and facts. A is A. A chair is a chair.
And another thing - you may be considered a newbie - however, you've left a string of good Dan-related comments, and, from what I've seen, no lechery.
ygk
Name: countzir0
yaddah, yaddah, yaddah...
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 08:40:15
Comments:
non se·qui·tur
Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
Date: 1540
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from anything previously saidEviva: Now with that definition in mind(you gotta love the first one), which quotation are we talking about? I can think of many things I've said which would fit in perfectly... and thanks for the Award, also, I appreciate that.
Rose: Make sure you have a good vacation
I hope it adds to your elation
think of us as you tour the nation
and tune the Dan in for your station
We Guestbook signers will miss you so
But we all know you have to go
your absence will make our fondness grow
To: Rose Darlin' my friend, From: your pal, Countzir0.
......Now I've humiliated myself in front of everyone, I hope you appreciate this, Rose. Sincerely, though, we'll miss you while you're gone.Rudy: Where the hell have you been? and if you got an email from Jack Slappy, that was just a cruel joke that one of my buddies here played on me, they changed my email acct. name as a jest, those bastards. Just bought Emperor Tomato Ketchup two days ago, haven't had much time to listen, but what little of it I've heard is darn good. Isn't it interesting that Stereolab is juxtaposed adjacently next(triple positive, I know) to Steely Dan? I guess that makes it easy to go shopping for CDs, eh? and BTW, yes, the new artwork is excellent...were you the one that did the new "Under the Banyan Trees" jpeg? If so, bravo on that one-love the use of perspective there, I feel like I'm in the Redwood Forest again or something.
YGK, Kinky, and other Clas bashers: I know that I'm a "newbie" (god, I hate that word) in the GB, and wasn't around to witness any phone calls or death threats, but thus far Clas seems to be a decent chap. I say maybe we should ease up on the guy, I know I've been bashed in here before and it feels quite shitty when it happens. Also, not to say that I'm an advocate for the abuse of women, but I'm sure most of the male GB signers can admit to making at least ONE late night booty call. If you haven't, you should try it sometime. And so, as "the Good Book" and interestingly enough Bob Marley say, "Judge Not" and you know the rest.
Now, I think I'd better don Dr. Mu's asbestos thermasuit, if he'll let me borrow it, and maybe retire to an underground bomb shelter for a month or so, work on a novel or something, listen to some Brubeck, yaddah, yaddah, yaddah...
Name: rudY
the pit bull locks on to KinKy's Leg
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 06:19:06
Comments:
KINKY! the body ascends from the depths once again. what the hell's wrong around here....recanting, eliciting APOLOGIES from the objects of your disaffections?
And you haven't bitched ONE BIT about the new look around these parts. Does that mean you like it? You know I did a bit of it, you know? Come on, girl, my fluttering artist's ego can't handle your ignoring all the hard work I did here.........
say, where's your site at, again?
arf
RuuuuuuuuDY
[the grfx hack, not th mayor]
Name: Clas
Pompe is tired today
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 04:26:35
Comments:
Schwinn - - - ahhh, yes, darn ol' lad. And no, it was the RIGHT channel and 3,87 seconds into it. Dutch uh? Can't stand'em you see.
Name: Schwinn
howboutthoseperseids?
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 02:46:43
Comments:
Mayor: Go suck a sock.
Clas: My friend! How are you? We were talking about how the Tibetan Monks would spend days blowing colored sand through a straw only to dump their lovely creation into the nearest river so as not to dwell on its beauty. Like a priceless Persian rug authenticated by its one tiny flaw. Like the punch-in glitch at 3.89 seconds into Black Cow on the left channel. That's what the boy's deserve for being perceived as perfectionists--someone using only half their senses was bound to misconstrue a beauty mark for an aberration.
Please, DON'T think of me whenever you hear it,
SEMB
Name: Clas
Pompe is resting today
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 at 01:21:59
Comments:
Schwinn; do you remember what we were talking about? I've lost the thread.
RUBYBaby; I got it, it's the Bad Sneakers-groove!!! I love that tape! It's like being in California again!
Fezo; who is Geraldo?
Lisa; hi sweetie! Talk to you saturday? I got the number!
Geena; did you read the Joni Mitchell Polar Prize interview?
Kinky; you've been wrong before. You were convinced that I was Gaucho, remember?
EvivaLaughs; :)
Hey, when I spoke to lisa, yes, over the phone, she came up with an idea. Why can't we gather all GBookers that are playing and recording on one CD? I think that would be great!
What do you say Roy, minaH, yes and you YGK. Kinky, you once posted here that you and your producer was recording some stuff. If you send me tapes or CD's I can put it all together on a CD and make, let's say, thirty copies. For the regulars here. Let me know what you think.
Name: Mayor Daley
Sammy's at 48
Location: Chicago, IL US of A
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 21:45:12
Comments:
Indeed yer honor! Send us your poor, your wretched, your persecuted, your despised, your perverts, your pedophiles, your Nazis, your necrophiliacs, your axe murderers. I absolve you all - as long, of course, as youse do not congregate to our fair city by one Lake Michigan but to the Gotham City where Mayor Rudy now guarantees that the taxi drivers shower at least once every fortnight! God Bless America!
Name: Mayor Rudy
New York City
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 20:58:29
Comments:
GB ers : Again my diplomatic and leadership ability is badly needed. The fingerpointing at Claus just isn`t fair, and is mean-spirited. One does not have to prove his innocence in a Democracy. The complaining about love letters on line is understandable, but is their call and no one elses. I will gladly wave my speaking fee and hop in my private jet, so that the participants at the Danfest can expand their minds to the topic of Tolerance...You people have so many talented and diversified posters that it would be a shame if posters felt intimidated and were reluctant to show to the G.B their God given creativity. Strength in Diversity! making the City great again, Rudolf
Name: When She smiled
She said it all, mon
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 19:41:09
Comments:
To the I: Jeez, if you're sad about missing Danfest, why not just say so? Killer Jamaican though. Must to be a native, no see it? Who be the holy lady, though, remain a mystery. Now we dolly back, now we fade to black...
Name: Triple Sun Weather Service
Far Arcturus
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 19:22:49
Comments:
Tidewater weather for Saturday, August 22: Partly Cloudy, High = 88; Low = 73
Name: Geena
one more thing...
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 17:58:17
Comments:
Eviva: i haven't left, just busy dodging AK47 shells, walking through the ghetto at night can be dangerous...
Name: Geena
walking on eggshells
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 17:54:22
Comments:
ummmmmm....ahhhhh...wondering if it's safe to come back in....*looking around for falling rocks*....
Name: theI
fromundertherock
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 17:32:59
Comments:
me am hearing the voices again, they speak of sacred gathering in town of william, they say me am to to go to see the holy lady, but the silver night lord rises by a star that points me to the town of the white-bark tree, me am sad to miss gathering, me must return to mountain temple, voices say holy lady make offerings of food, me am pleased to hear warm-belly gifts are understood by the uprights, holy lady have much space in life drumb, me have fur-pile for holy lady if she ever seek cave.
Name: EvivaLaughs
@OK, Kink...
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 17:30:53
Comments:
Kinky: If I misunderstood you, I apologize. And you're right--I can do better than that. Sorry I lost my temper.
Oleander and Lisa: Wish we could go to Danfest too! Have a fantastic time!
YGK: I'm taking your warnings as chivalry to the women on this GB. Haven't made up my mind about Clas--I'm big on the "innocent until proven guilty" bit--but your and the other person's (Dr. Mu's or Mitch's?) are hard to ignore. In any case, whether Clas is innocent or guilty, SOMEONE certainly made those calls, and is posting death threats, and it's a good warning to those who would otherwise be foolish enough to give out personal information from such a (to quote Oleander) "flimsy construct" as a GB. It's interesting neither Clas nor Geena has posted in what for them is a long while. Wonder if they've left?
Rose Darling: Have a terrific vacation--and "post" a tan for us when you get back (Where did you say you were going? Alaska?)! Right on about the contents of people's minds being the only thing that matters on this GB. The interesting thing is how much information people give each other, unawares even, in this type of setup: about their private selves and how their own minds work (prejudices, associations, loves, obsessions, thought processes, spirituality or lack thereof, trains of thought), without their even necessarily being aware of how much they're revealing to others. Keyboards, it seems, as well as eyes, are the windows to the soul. It's a bit scary too because I know very well that I'm revealing the same types of things to others. And the effect is heightened for two reasons: we're anonymous here and can say whatever we want without fear of consequences, and also because this setup is "off the top of our heads": not much opportunity nor motive to put on masks. It's fascinating how differently different people behave in that kind of a setup. Which is precisely what all the discussion surrounding Clas has been about, hasn't it?
But not to worry, Rose Darling. No "dirty deed", as you put it, ever goes unexposed forever, as the e-mail location of the Ghost of Ted Bundy will attest. Right, Ted?
Ted Bundy: Yeah, but apparently not as hot as where you are. Yikes!! Think I'll go say my prayers now...But first, the Non-Sequitur Quotation of the Week award goes to...countzirO
Name: the ghost of Ted Bundy
eternaldamnation.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 15:52:39
Comments:
hot enough for you?
Name: Rose Darling
@ gathering up the tears, have you had enough of mine?
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 15:26:42
Comments:
To The Steely Dan Happy Hour Gang:
I'm going away on vacation and won't be posting again until sometime next week. I'll be a few states away visiting family and will be attending a significant party whilst some of you are at Danfest. You'll be in my thoughts, as well as those who won't be attending. Just wanted to wish all of you who do go to Va. Beach a great time !I would like to say in my own defense, although I personally don't feel particularly accused, that I am not a female hanging around this GB for male attention. I am here for brain snacks of discussing my favorite band and music in general, camaraderie, and amusement. I don't particularly care what the sex is of any poster here. I do care more about the contents of minds. HOW you speak when you post here also exposes what's in your heart. Just an observation, but I have noticed more male posturing and strutting going on around here, more heavily than any alleged female bids for attention.
Those discussing/exposing Clas may truly think they are conscientiously doing this GB and the women of it a service.
I'm getting over the Clas bashing, justified or not. I think many have made their conflicting points thoroughly. If warnings were sounded in brotherly concern and have been acknowledged, now let us GBers make up our own minds. Recently this cyber place of 'flimsy construct' as oleander so eloquently put it, is becoming too much of a mirror of the real world... with unfortunate dead- on replications of sexism, gossiping, backbiting, and futile hair splitting political discussions. Plus it's just too freaking weird to sit here and watch people rip up someone while knowing they are reading it too !
As far as I know, no one can be barred from posting here ? More time spent on trying to chase Clas away will turn this place into a Clas Bashing GB and chase some others away instead. And who knows who else among us has done dirty deeds unexposed? Cheesus Crisco, for all you know, the ghost of Ted Bundy might be posting here.
I'm hoping that The Clas Character Debate gets resolved and whatever virtual camaraderie exists here, returns triumphant !Looking forward to reports from the Danfest. :) Aloha !
Name: Geena's wife
what in tarnation is going on here?
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 13:54:27
Comments:
have a great time at danfest and report back to us!
Name: Kinky
I say just what I feel
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 13:49:50
Comments:
Steely Dan Analyst - No matter what the outcome is for the new one... you can hardly compare an artist, whose work often times improves with experience and maturity, to an athlete whose ability and level of output deteriorates with age. In fact, the only thing you can compare between Steely Dan and Minnie Minoso is the fact that neither one got into the Hall of Fame.
Name: DrMu
asparklingconscience
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 13:24:27
Comments:
Edd: Yeah, but it beats the hell out of erasing the the final product.
Name: KidCharlemagne
glw7@pantheon.yale.edu
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 12:38:17
Comments:
wow, this GB moves fast -- my last post is probably already off in the archives. and my, how the fur does fly!
though just a newbie, I'm really looking forward to the Fest this weekend. if anybody wants directions or any sort of info about the Norfolk / Va Beach area, mail me. I've lived here for 14 years.
question: is anybody planning on makin' music at DanFest? I'm not a musician myself (well, I've sung a bit, if that counts), but I'm bringing a friend who can play a mean 6-string. lots of Dan, of course, and all sorts of other stuff. so bring your djembes and maracas and ukeleles and Sousaphones and whatever else you've got that makes noise. if the Duck Inn gets mad, we can always walk down the beach a bit. or perhaps I could pull some strings with Bill Miller, the owner (a family friend)...
or perhaps I could pull some woodwinds... (heh, heh)Steely Dan Analyst (if you're still reading),
at least reserve judgment until you *hear* the new one! SD certainly sounded like Hall of Famers to me when I heard them live back in '96. Alive in America, from the initial "comeback" round, is easily just as accomplished as any of their old studio albums. no one else, with the possible exception of Phish, keeps it that tight live.
Name: Edd
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 12:32:14
Comments:
Yeah, about 4 seconds into the song, left side.
My first thought was that it was the sound of a guitar, but it seems to start and end too abruptly for me to be convinced.
Although, it *may* be the middle of such a sound, an artifact left over from some careless editing. {shudder}
You will now hear it EVERY time you listen to Black Cow. And you all will think of me when you do...
Name: Kinky
vaginaisforlovers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 11:39:53
Comments:
Eviva - Come on now, you know that's not what I said nor meant. I could go through the archives and find a number of examples posted by a number of "girls" (which, btw, can ONLY be construed as pathetically flirtatious)... but I won't. I know you can do better than that. Besides, I'm considering recanting my last few posts. Afterall, a guy can't let the affections from the likes of lisa and oleander go unrequited, can he?
Ole & lisa - Have a great time next weekend. My thoughts and prayers will be with you.
Name: YGK
..
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 11:22:08
Comments:
lisa: it makes MORE sense that you realize WHAT you are dealing with....your 'experience' is only part of the picture...
Name: Steve V Dan
@Steely Dan Scrapbook
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 11:09:14
Comments:
This Date in Steely Dan (etc.) History:
25 years ago this month: Nixon was stilled embroiled in Watergate...but Agnew would soon come under fire for bribes he took as Gov. of Maryland....and resign in Oct....
..the Mets stood in last place with an aging Willie Mays stumbling in center and Tug McGraw with an 0-6 record...six weeks later they'd be in the playoffs!
and 'Countdown To Ecstasy' and its' lead single 'Show Biz Kids' by newly popular rock band Steely Dan slipped down the charts, despite a second tv appearance on NBC....as ABC Record Co. execs nervously pressed the group for a new album Steely dan returned in early '74 with a quickly slapped together pop masterpiece in 'Pretzel Logic' ...which hit #8 on the U.S. chart and was certified Gold.....and oh yeah Nixon quit!.....Thus Ending the "sixties"! Thank you class , you will be quizzed on this next week....
Name: Steely Dan Analyst
sda@interserve45.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 10:53:34
Comments:
When Jim Palmer tried making a come back after his hall of fame induction, the hall said his career stats as known to the hall would stay the same. I think the same hold true for Steely Dan. We should know them for Can't Buy a Thrill through Gaucho. This Minnie Minoso type comeback should be considered just novelty.
Name: lisa
p@cking my shit for the danfess
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 09:52:44
Comments:
stAl: are you already in virginia? is there an email address where i can reach you?
malcom: so are you saying that it makes MORE sense for me to judge clas according to an incident between him and someone else?
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 07:44:14
Comments:
oleander: Annie was my second choice. I'm still thinking about what my answer is for a guy's voice - I like so many, for different reasons.
Name: oleander
the old ear redeemed
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 07:38:14
Comments:
Edd--Omigod! I heard it! How is it I never hear these things & then when you point them out they're blatant? A very weird sound--any other ideas as to what it is?
Name: DrMu
timetofindsometroubleagain
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 07:23:39
Comments:
Edd: Are your referring about the sound in the left channel 4 seconds into Black Cow? That sounds like a guitar pickup about 3 octaves lower than the upcoming note. Probably, the pick was removed from the string resulting in the sound, before coming back to strike the string and play the note. Why remove it?...even though it's not distinctive as say the figers moving up and down the strings as John Lennon is singing the Beatles' "Girl." Everything after Katy Lied except 11TOW is sanitized enough anyway.
Ole: Oh, it's generally much simpler than that. Listen to Green Earrings again. As George Harrison once sung "I, me, mine, I, me, mine, I, me, mine."
Fezo: No doubt "Newt" should have stepped down as Speaker after the he was sanctioned for ethical missteps concerning using govenment $$ to subsidize material for a college course which turned into a book which made him millions
Name: YGK
..
Location: Must Be, Sanity Central
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 06:50:20
Comments:
Lisa: Your comment re: Clas reeks of ignorance - "i dunno whether he made those calls or not and neither does anyone one else except clas..."
When someone is as short sighted as to give their phone number to a 'man' overseas, or wherever, and then they get the call from one identifying themselves, sharing information that only they could know, sweetheart - oh, what the hell....(you're gonna believe what you wanna believe, and, I'd bet, it's gonna bite you in the ass)
Just because you've "talked with him on the phone several times myself and i know him to be a sweet and almost shy man"
THAT, my dear, means nothing...
Oh, forget it...
ygk
Name: Myra Eyefull
Huh?
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 06:42:17
Comments:
Roy Scam: You are all wet with the bobbing for apple theory. Have'nt I shared enough horror stories with you about sleeze-bags or are you just a naive little boy who sees good in everyone? Mr. LaPage is your typical dirty old man, not someone close to this under 18 age person. He wants to show dirty movies in order to make dirty movies with this poor kid. Wake up sweetie, not everyone has pure thoughts like you---this guy is a scuzz-bucket!
Enough said.Myra
Name: countzir0
"nothing is true, everything is possible" -Hasan I Sabbah
Location: the old man of the , mountain
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 06:26:48
Comments:
*ppppppppllllllllttt.....*
Name: Ken Starr
The Center for Pit Bull Idealogues and Other Scams
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 06:25:43
Comments:
Bill,
Sorry about prying into your sex life and putting the media dogs on you, bud. I hope you understand that I can't stop now: When it finally dawns on the folks that I spent 40 million bucks (Was that million or billion? Aw, who cares?) just to find out that a guy had a blow job and didn't want to share it with a masturbating, "inquiring-minded" public; well, they're liable to be pissed. You know what I mean don't you? It's nothing personal. It's just business. Some salad to sun fool is gonna start asking why we don't channel those resources into shit like chasing murderers and thieves. You know how people can be. And one more thing: Monica's not heavy; she's just retaining fluid......Get it? Retaining fluid? God, I crack me up. Thought you might like a little legalistic humor to get you through your vacation.See you real soon,
Ken
Name: Roy.Scam
LaPage Day Care Center
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 06:03:04
Comments:
Thanks a lot, Kinky; now you've made my desparate bid for female attention transparent.
Regarding "Everyone's Gone to the Movies": We seem to have forgotten that the focus of the song is on the two people left in the room ("..now we're alone at last."). Mr Lapage and the movies are just an excuse to clear out the other youngsters so that some love-prone guy can put a move on a his 17 year old object of admiration, a la' Billie J. Kramer's "Little Children". The narrator may even be underaged himself. With all apologies to my favorite social worker, whether this is sleezy or not lies in the perceptions of the listener.--The fact that we don't have enough apples to stage a decent apple bob is a quickly improvised lame excuse to disperse the crowd.* Those movies might be about trout fishing in Quebec.
RS
* In all honesty, "I know you're used to 16 or more; sorry I only have 8." doesn't sound like a very effective pick up line.
Name: fezo
what's.that.in.my.Coke?
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 05:42:12
Comments:
Dr. Mu: Clinton is an idiot and in need of the chemical castration treatment which is usually reserved for repeat child molesters. I truly think he is a bad man. But I think the same about Newt Gingrich (who had divorce papers served on his first wife while she was lying in her hospital bed having just recovered from cancer surgery), Congressmen Crane and Studd (who screwed pages even younger than Monica), and Clarence Thomas (who while head of the EEOC delighted female employees with tales of Long Dong Silver, had a bizarre fascination with pubic hair on soda cans, and was just a general letch) Where's the moral outrage about these shady characters? Where's the special prosecutor investigating the lies the Republican's favorite lawn boy Thomas told to Congress at his Supreme Court confirmation hearing?
Moral outrage is selectively applied, don't you know, brought out when politically convenient. It's all politics. Ken Starr wasn't even the first Whitewater special prosecutor. The three judge panel (not Reno) had appointed a different one but when it became apparent he was going to clear Clinton, the leading judge on the panel, after lunch with a Republican senator from North Carolina, decided to substitute Starr, who was much more of a pit bull and an idealogue, and had just finished filing a brief with an appellate court in support of Paula Jones. Four years and 40 million dollars later . . .
YGK: you're right, his nose did look like it was getting longer and longer
Geena/Ruby (i think it was you two): y'all are right. Henley is very cool. I've seen him in concert a bunch of times, always puts on a great show and is funny too. Check out his first solo album, "I Can't Stand Still" if you haven't already. It's a little less Ring Cycleish, more mellow than his others. A favorite Henley quote from a GQ profile a ways:
"People say I'm a curmudgeon, but that's not true. I'm a fucking raving romantic"
Name: EvivaLaughs
@got my sense of humor back
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 04:16:27
Comments:
Kinky: I'm shocked that you posted to my name twice, and to RubyBaby too, all within the last day. Obviously you're flirting with me, and with her. Don't you know I already have a boyfriend, and that RubyBaby is married? Well, now, any and all posts by you to a "female" will now be interpreted as a flirt. Your ideas, thoughts and reactions don't matter, it's whether the name you're posting them to is a man or a woman. We all know you're just desperately in need of female attention.
Sheesh. Gimme a break. See what it's like when you get it back? See what I mean about discouraging the free flow of comments and ideas? I did a quick-scan of the last few weeks of posts and didn't see any "flirting" except between Clas and Geena. Kinky, with all due respect, give it up. I would say you seem like an intelligent guy (except that would probably be interpreted as a flirt) but you only make yourself look like a conceited jerk when you defend stupid sexist statements (alliteration semi-intended) like that. Yes, stupid. If one wants sexual attention, one does not go to a GB to get it. At least most of us here on this GB don't. I'm here, like you, for fun and intellectual give-and-take. I don't accuse you of flirting every time you feel like making a comment and the recipient happens to have a female handle, so stop trying to mess up the fun the women like to have here too.
To everyone else: Sorry for the soapbox. Just trying to preserve the 1st amendment here for women too without bein' "harrassed"...
Name: johnboy
old.folks.boogie
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 at 02:38:39
Comments:
Lisa: Nice guys don't make death threats....
Ruby: I just reread your post from a few weeks ago where you reveal that you were an "abuse survivor". Your description of an abuser could easily be a description of Clas. I repeat, defend the death threats. Or is it simply a case of them being ok so long as they're not directed at you....We're not referring to simply "one lousy drunken phone call in the middle of the night".
I share YGK's incomprhension of the blind admiration.
Name: Elmeretta Fudd
wabbitwangling
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 23:50:14
Comments:
Kinky's posts remind me of why 18 year-olds should not be allowed to vote.
Name: lisa
kinky's manly @ttention
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 22:49:11
Comments:
ole: that's all any of us want...maybe if we beg, he will grace us with his presence in virginia beach.
how bout it, kink?
Name: oleander
oh my aching scroll finger
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 22:38:00
Comments:
Kinky--I confess. I don't want the Ferrari, I just want your manly (I think) attention.
Ruby--Bingo. Eviva too.
Mu--The usual objective of criminals is power.
Gap--Rave on!
Roy--Now I know what to get you for the Fest. So which girl?
Edd--I have forgiveness in my heart and icing in my hair. I think I'll stay tuned in.
Johnboy, peg--We're on the same wavelength. Lots of cool choices. Mine: Van Morrison and a tie for the girls: Aretha and Rickie Lee Jones. My husband's: Frank Sinatra and Aretha or Annie Lennox. My 20 year old son's: Marvin Gaye and Janis Joplin.
Myra--Shit, after the last week or so here you're worried about embarrassing yourself?
Come on, does any of you really think Geena doesn't know how to take care of herself, or that any of this tete-a-tete has even a toe in reality? Or that anybody can really know anything about anybody else in this flimsy construct? By now, the Clas & Geena thing is the Fred & Wilma, or the Desi & Lucy (or maybe the Fred & Betty or Desi & Ethel) of the GB--in major reruns, and you know what to do with the remote. Obsessive as I am, I've wallowed plenty in the archives, and I hear the sound of stones being lobbed in glass houses. Anybody else find the discussions of les affaires Clinton and Clas very contrapuntal, with lots of repeated themes and even language?
On to Danfest.
Name: lisa
@bsence make the heart grow fonder
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 22:24:20
Comments:
after a month long hiatus, i come back to find things are much the same as when i left...THANK GOD!! there is precious little in this life we can depend on, but the guestbook is as reliable as a steely dan.
since everyone else is spouting their opinions about clas, i'll follow suit...i dunno whether he made those calls or not and neither does anyone one else except clas...even the recipient can't be sure if it was him, unless she set up her line to be traced...plus, i've talked with him on the phone several times myself and i know him to be a sweet and almost shy man...i have a difficult time believing he would harass anyone.
clas is a nice guy despite opinions to the contrary.
schwinn: you are swell for sending the deluxe gift basket!! i promise to share with my fellow danfestors...also, i will set up a small shrine in the hotel room and offer up a daily nod to the big biker.
Name: Kinky
No need to wiggle
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 22:09:33
Comments:
Eviva - You're right, my post makes no reference to only one girl (Geena). NOR does it make any references to EVERY girl that posts here. I meant exactly what I said, that being that MANY (not one, not two) *females* that post here (past and present) are/have been guilty of turning this place into a flirt/date room. In fact, it's easier to name the few "women" here that haven't resorted to this. And whether it's harmless flirting or true love, it is, by definition, a bid for male attention.
Name: Not Again
The White House, Washington D.C.
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 21:50:04
Comments:
Good Evening,
Last night, most of us watched as President Clinton acknowledged a relationship that was, in his words, wrong. While we all have our opinions, many of which have been shared in this forum, I think it is important for all of us to remember that, no matter what happens from here on out, no matter how his presidency is defined down the road, it is HIS presidency. Any faults/accolades you may choose to heap upon him are his. Try to refrain from tarring the Office of the President, as it is, still, a noble institution. Let us not revisit those distrustful, yet apathetic post-Watergate years again.
Good night, and God Bless America.
Name: Eviva
@can't wriggle out of this one, Kinky
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 21:13:43
Comments:
Kinky: I understand very well what I read. Go back and read your own offending post. It makes no reference to only one girl (Geena).
Your post says: "Maybe a bit of beauty rest is in order for a lot of the girls here. It might help curb the embarrassing desperation for male attention so many here exhibit."
"Exhibit," not "exhibited." Present tense, not past tense. "So many" girls "here", "a lot of" girls, not one, or a few. What else could one conclude but that you thought the normal, everyday GB comments by "the women" were being interpreted as bids for male attention? Maybe you MEANT only some-foolish-girls-in-the-past, and Clas-and-Geena now. But that's not what your post SAID. I'm not a feminist, so I don't throw around gratuitous accusations of sexism. But I also don't apologize for reading and responding to what's in front of my eyes.
It may surprise you to learn that I agree with you that Clas and Geena's public displays of affection might be better reserved for their private e-mails to one another, particularly now that accusations (true or untrue) are swirling around Clas, and it sure is disrupting the Dan focus of this GB. But your usual clear thinking and point-making would be better served if you'd say what you mean next time.
Name: DrMu
IcoulduseaCarribirun
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 20:39:15
Comments:
Jamaican Dude: It's the tasty horns, mon. I've listend to Kama a number of times in the past week or so. They really got the groove and swing goin' at the same time. Five years later and I'm still just learning to appreciate Kama more and more. I can't believe that "The Bodyguard" soundtrack took the Grammy with that David Foster "Star Search" production over Kama, Joel's inconsistent River of Dreams, Sting's "Ten Summoner's Tales" and some other one I've forgotten.
Davedownunder: Jeez. couldn't you read Nixon's ethic
challenged outlook on governing into the phrase "the rest is history?" There are volumes on Nixon and his complex web of cronies. They certainly used any means including criminal to defend Nixon against his enemies real and imagined. But the objective was power, not crime. Many in the administration had a bunker mentality, thinking that with all the unrest, the nation was on the brink of total civil chaos. The lessons are that the end does not justify the means if criminal/illegal acts are involved, tell the truth early, and the notion of an Imperial President (which Nixon believed he was entitled to in some way) is inconsistent with our Constitution. I simply found it ironic that the White House leaks were a key catalyst in Nixon's moral implosion, and while he concentrated and thrashed away at many outside the administration destroying his Presidency and the trust of the American people - the culprit may have been directly under his nose the whole time.
Leaks from both Starr's office and the White House have given Leno plenty of fodder for the past 7 months. Tonight Dick Morris revealed that in his sworn testimony this moring with Starr that Clinton had Morris take a poll in January whether the American people would look favorably at the popular president if he told the truth at that time about Lewinsky after the Jones deposition. At that time the poll revealed that if perjury or obstruction of justice was apparant, that the majority of the American people would NOT support Clinton. Based on that polling data, Clinton strung this thing out for months with delay after delay putting the spinmeisters to work numbing (i.e., brainwashing) America. The strategy probably worked. While I doubt that the Commander in Briefs' administration has committed crimes anywhere near as heinous as Nixon's, his speech last night only heightened my suspicions. After all his friends from Arkansa are either in jail, dead, or in Hollywood. Am I overreacting? Why not. Starr may only have information about lying regarding sex with Lewinsky, but this evidence is likely to be but a small part of Starr's full report to Congress. His adminsitration signed the latest version of the special prosecutor law and Reno hired Starr through a 3 judge panel
Name: Kinky
Hello, is anybody home?
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 20:25:12
Comments:
I'm sorry some of you have so much trouble comprehending what you read. Let me try to put this into simpler terms... Ruby said, "I might bill him for the long distance charges." Well, let's remember that this is in reference to CLAS calling HER, in which case, there would be no reason to bill Clas for the charges since the person who makes the call (Clas) gets billed. When Ruby made this inane comment, it could only mean that she accepted a collect call from Clas (why else would she need to bill him for the charges?). My remark meant that if she had indeed accepted the call, she deserved to PAY THE PHONE CHARGES. Got it? Typical response from a defensive woman who's always trying to find something sexist in any given situation (right, Eviva?)
Eviva - I really don't care who is or isn't male/female here. Why should that have any bearing on what is said on a board dedicated to a band? You see? That's the problem here, it's turned into Clas & Geena's love nest. And no, I don't feel I owe any apologies for not wanting to hear the intimacies of their ridiculous pseudo-romance. And if this constitutes the discouragement of the free flow of comments and ideas on this GB, so be it. I, for one, have no desire to muddle through their love vows (real or alleged) on a Steely Dan message board.
Name: EvivaLaughs
in Kinky's face
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 18:23:42
Comments:
Ruby "you are so right" Baby: No, we don't deserve it. And yes, I'd just hang up and go back to sleep too. But does that mean it's not abuse...? You're the abuse survivor and eloquent speaker for abuse victims here. If said person did in fact do what is alleged, then he's an abuser.
Kinky: My non-SD fan boyfriend and I had a good laugh over your last post. Typical conceited male response to interpret any comment by a woman to him as a come-on. Thank goodness the rest of the GB's (alleged) males are more mature. (And how do you know anyone here posting as female is indeed female? Or vice versa?)
P.S. Thanks for discouraging the free flow of comments and ideas on this GB. You owe every woman here an apology.
Name: RubyBaby
f@r from NY
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 17:42:29
Comments:
KinkySoNSo: No, I don't deserve it.To all gb girls: It all starts with this "you deserve it" attitude. I highly recommend staying away from people like that. Far, far away...
rb
Name: davedownunder
I drove the Chrysler
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 17:13:31
Comments:
This thing about "Clas," and the calls and all is so wierd. I mean this is really strange. This oddball little romance that has been going on here has been one of the charming little things about this spot on the web. And now to find out.. it's just too strange.YGK: Maybe you should be a prosecutor. A good one never forgets.
And it comes on the heels of all this sickening Bill Clinton stuff. For six years I've defended this man in front of drunks, gun nuts, morons of every ilk and description, and even the occasional thoughtful conservative. And now this. I've had it. I've just had it.
I sit in front of the TV with my wife, my 19 year old daughter and 17 year old son and listen to him say what he told us before was "legally accurate." The kids don't ask their jaded old dad for an explanation. They know this is all over a fucking blow job. All they had to do was read the front page of any newspaper. The first real baby- boomer leader. We threw out Dick Nixon, ended a criminal war, brought respect for the environment and made equality the word of the day. And this is the best we can do. It makes me sickBy the way.. the booming economy, peace in the world, etc. don't give Bill all the credit. The fact that we kids who grew up listening to Don and Walter are now running the show has everything to do with it.
Screw this. Most of you don't want to hear it, and you' re right. He should have told us he was really sorry.. then quit. Just walked out.
And Dr. Mu: the Dick Nixon thing was darker and much more complicated. The cover-up was spurred by the fact that the White House had become home to an on-going criminal enterprise. Those were ugly days. There is a semblance, but its just not the same.
Black Cow by the way, sounds a lot like that girl who always considered you her best friend, and came home crying in her beer and whatever else she could find, over whoever treated her like cow dung this time, and you listen patiently, while you are dying inside for her. And she just can't see it and for some stupid reason (maybe self-preservation) you're just not able to tell her. You probably told her once.. but she was too drunk to remember.
Finally you realize she's just so much damaged goods, and you have to leave. . And its the hardest thing you ever have to do.
Sorry about the mangled tenses..
I wish I was going to Virginia Beach. Everybody have fun (like Wang Chung says)
Name: Lucia @Lammermoor
@The Heart of it All .
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 14:43:03
Comments:
Man, I am starving...there's nothing good at this party. Anyone out there try anything from the SD cookbook?
You know something...I can't bear to go back out there again, here some o' my little SD encounters.
They played on the Beach here 2 yrs ago, and they were doing tunes like um...Wet Side Story and everything from the new,(when and if)anyway, when they played Babylon Sister a tune we're rather partial to in NY (the beach is about 20 min. from Babylon)Monsieur Fagan was not too thrilled. He started hittin' his music stand and knocked the pages around, maybe it was me, maybe it was the dope...and he didn't even say it "Babylon"....the crowd of course filled in the blanks....Then there was the time at Roseland, Holy Shit he looked straight at me,I don't get out much from this castle, but let me tell you folk eye contact with an idol is weird, damn near turned into salt!
Name: Zeke
raining again
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 14:14:43
Comments:
Ole: Crosby, Stills, and Nash all rapped into one.
Name: YGK
..
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 13:37:54
Comments:
...and fezo - how dare you compare me with Ken Starr! Ohhh, the nerve, but I am sorry your friend is so little.
Name: YGK
..
Location: uh, huh
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 13:29:38
Comments:
Ruby:...just to add briefly...I don't know if the one drunken phone call you're referring to was to you or not, but there wasn't just one drunken phone call - there were many - a classic 'pattern of abuse' - I hope you weren't among the victims.....
Name: Kinky
No, I think it's @bout plain ol' common sense
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 13:20:51
Comments:
Ruby - Yes, I absolutely think one lousy drunken phone call in the middle of the night constitutes abuse... as does lying about having cancer just to get attention, making crude posts under other people's names, subjecting us to the tribulations of his dog's genitalia, pissing out of windows, and, IMHO, just making us drudge through the load of shit he posts here daily. So, in answer to your question: Absofuckinglutely!
And, yes, sleep is indeed precious. Maybe a bit of beauty rest is in order for a lot of the girls here. It might help curb the embarassing desperation for male attention that so many here exhibit.
Oh, and if you would have to bill Clas for the long distance charges when he calls you, I'd say just pay it... you deserve it.
Name: rubybaby
I think it's @bout forgiveness
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 12:08:54
Comments:
A SURPRISE DAN MOMENT: Yesterday, while in Petsmart, I heard Tomorrow's Girls! At first I thought I was just light-headed from hauling 50 lbs of Science Diet onto that cart, but no- it WAS Donald Fagen singing "They're speeding toward our sun, they're on a party run, Here comes Tomorrow's Girls..." We heard the entire song without interruption from the loudspeaker ("Roy, there's a carry-out at # 5"). I swear I saw the fish dancing!mW: I'm keeping an eye on the cows. They're getting a bit whiney now. But I took a boom box out and played the Tribute to Jeff cd. Their tails began to swish in unison to Let's Stay Together. Then they did sort of line dance to Jeff's Strut, but they never broke herd formation. Come back soon, ok?
Oleander: I'd love to sing like Annie Lennox some days and Patsy Cline on others. What about you?
to whomever: >how can an abuse survivor defend Clas?
Do you think one lousy drunken phone call in the middle of the night constitutes abuse? sheesh... I would have just hung up and gone back to sleep. Life is too short and sleep is too precious.Of course, I might bill him for the long distance charges...
rb
Name: fezo
say.hello.to.my.little.friend
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 11:48:24
Comments:
YGK: Does anyone else REALLY CARE besides you and the doctor
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY City of Dreams
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 11:29:55
Comments:
.....is it just me, or was the lighting on Slick Will's schnoz last night absolutely Pinnochioan? I mean, the shadow went from his nose to his mouth, making his honker look the size of..., of..., well, I knew his nose was big, and constantly lampooned and drawn larger in the media than it probably is, but I thought it quite revealing that here he was, the Commander in Chief, commonly known as a liar, and the White House allowing the lighting to make his nose resemble a modern Pinnochio......
did anyone else notice this....?
"clean this mess up or we'll all end up in jail"
the dress that was on sale, "just get it all out of here"ygk
Name: peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 10:58:09
Comments:
oleander: Aretha
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
sweeping along the shore
Location: Va Beach,
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 10:45:39
Comments:
Jamaican Dude:
You are *almost* correct. The most beautiful song on Kama is "On the Dunes".Oleander:
1) Mariah Carey or 2) Anita Baker; 1) Nat Cole or 2) Sting.
Name: DrMu
HewenttoaJesuitSchoolandthatwasnoactofcontrition
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 09:25:45
Comments:
Short statement - get ready to scroll:
I saw your face!!! Clinton lied again to the American People last night - no doubt. He said the minimum that might get his butt out of this and only went as far as his sick psyche would let him He was angry, but not sorry. What I read was arrogance and fear I haven't seen since Richard Milhous Nixon. He lied again many times during his testimony yesterday - count on it. I guarantee only a small part of the questions he was asked pertained directly to his involvement with Lewinsky He has humiliated and used his family friends, and my party. He is done, toast, adios!! ...and he's going to drag us through the muck for the next months.
I could be wrong, and I pray that I am, but I don't think so
Name: Midnite Cruiser
sameasiteverwas
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 09:02:05
Comments:
Man....some people just have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much time on their hands!
Name: Head Clinton Writer
somewhere under the Oval Office desk
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 07:45:29
Comments:
Confession Speech....1st Draft......
Members of Congress...people of America....I banged her. I banged her like a cheap gong. Which is not news, folks, because if you think Monica Lewinsky was the only skin flute player in my orchestra, you haven't been paying attention.
The only babes in D.C.I haven't tried to do are the First Lady,
Reno, Albright, and Shalala, mostly because they're a little older than I like and they have legs that former Houston Oiler Earl Campbell would envy.Which isn't to say I don't appreciate Hillary...I do. If not for the ice water coursing through her veins, I'd be pumping gas
into farm equipment in Hope, Arkansas, and she'd be married to the President.So, let me set the record straight. I dodged the draft, hid FBI files, smoked dope, flipped Whitewater property, set up a new Korean wing in the White House, fired the travel staff, paid hush
money to Hubbell, sold the Lincoln bedroom like an upscale Motel 6, and grabbed every ass that entered the Oval Office.Got it?
Good.
Six years ago, there's not a man, woman, or child who didn't know I was as horny as Woody Allen. But, you elected me anyway,
which turned out to be a good move on your part. Your other choice was Bush, an aging Nazi and part-time resident of some place called "Kennebunkport" who thought he could bomb his way into the White House.Before him, it was Reagan, who left the office with the same Alzheimer's he came in with.
There was Carter before him who brought you a 17% prime interest rate, smiling the whole time like his lithium drip had just kicked in.
Nixon before that coined, but never really understood, the concept of 'plausible deniability,' and almost got a one-way ticket to San Clemente for his crackerjack style of governing.
Johnson was an inbred, power-mad war criminal whose major contribution to American society was Agent Orange.
And John Kennedy, who was a little naughty himself, didn't hang around long enough for America to spot that curious atavistic tic for "beaver-wrestling" shared by at least a dozen former residents of the White House.
Which brings me back to my point. Since I have been strumming
the banjo here at the White House, government is doing more for
less. The budget is balanced for the first time since JFK did a one gun salute to Marilyn, a fact the press didn't seem to care about, evidently.Unemployment is so low today a blind felon can get a job as a night-watchman. And the stock market is higher than a D-student on a full gram of dumb-dust, and anyone with a degree from a junior college who can spell 'internet' has enough money to ponder the annual maintenance cost of his boat, instead of where his or her next meal is coming from.
Bottom line: I'm running a country here and I'm doing it with my pecker showing. What I'm asking for is your support, not a date with your daughter... unless, of course, she's a hotty with thin ankles, and then I'd like to discuss it.
In the meantime, think about where you are today and what kind of life you're living before you get too interested in where I'm parking the Presidential limo.
The eagle may soar, but the weasel never gets sucked into a jet engine.
Name: fezo
say.goodnight.to.the.bad.guy
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 07:25:01
Comments:
Enough already with this debate about Clas. It's starting to seem like a Geraldo special. By now, I think there is enough information out there for all of us to reach our own informed opinion about the guy. YGK: Ken Starr would admire your tenacity I'm sure.
And another thing, enough with the Clinton/Starr cracks, all of you (including myself). The GB is supposed to be an escape from all the real world traumas and travesties
Damn, the waitress lied. She told me this was decaf.
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 07:23:49
Comments:
*sigh*....first sign of bad luck. Just found out due to a scheduling snafoo that my significant other has to work this Saturday, the day of the danfest. I'm off Friday, Saturday & Sunday but even after asking off several weeks ago she was informed this morning that she'll be working until 5:15pm on Saturday afternoon. We're trying to do what we can so we can make the beach by then but it's not looking good at the moment. Wish us luck as we both REALLY want to be there this weekend!
Name: YGK
mrdbh@yahoo.com
Location: New York, NY
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 07:04:54
Comments:
Geena: when I know the truth, and someone tells me I can't possibly know it, it does create a certain chemical reaction within me that produces a heightened sense of emphasis in what I write/speak. If YOU want to chat privately - "even Presidents have Private lives" - my e-mail is enclosed..... Now Linda Tripp - where the hell are you?
It is also very frustrating for me, and I'm sure, many other 'regulars' to watch newbies get picked up by someone who has the general reputation that the swede does. You're undying 'love', and whatever else you share with this specimen of humanity is nearly gross to publicly 'watch', given the collective knowlegde about the guy by the Guestbook. Do what you want, but at least, do your research.......
Or to be a little more direct, if your younger sister was 'thrilled' to be going out with somone you knew to be and acted like a complete sleaze, would you jump for joy?
Kink: was that nearly a compliment? Sheesh, move to Manhattan, and the world loves you. We should meet for a cocktail now that we're neighbors.
ygk
Name: countzir0
@Voluntary Time Off
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 06:48:31
Comments:
Darlin: One thing you're right about is that Hindsight is a jackass, but I must inform you that although I do enjoy Mayor Rudy's posts alot, he's just not me. Ask Oleander. It is possible that I might have slipped in an anonymous post or two here and there, though, from time to time.
Oleander: Johnny Hartman for sure. Love the way he sings "Lush Life." Even Becker has that song on his list of "songs to learn." and Hartman does an unbelievable job of crooning it.
Schwinn: My question still goes unanswered. But to tell you the truth, I'm not really that worried about it.
Rose: I do actually plan on getting that poem to you, and this Darlin person, who is posting anonymously his/her-self is a bit off base with the Tommorrow's Girl thing. I do agree that Tommorrow's Girl was a fictitious personality, and that the person who was posting her just couldn't keep up with spending that much time in front of the computer. Whoever did it, though, please bring her back, I enjoyed her lyrics interps...
Somebody fill us in with the details on Danfest, or did it actually occur?
Name: John Henry
records galore
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 06:35:46
Comments:
This one's for Bill, "There's a star in the Book of Liars by your name"...
Name: johnboy
waldenmountain
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 04:40:19
Comments:
PATSJAZZ: Almost forgot: Take a look at the pict of Moe Berg on the back of the TPOH album. Then take a look at the pict of WB on Countdown.
Name: johnboy
slithering.away.on.the.thin.ice.of.a.new.day
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 03:50:33
Comments:
Geena: Maybe you should read the archives....you may find out more than you want to know. You may also want to take a look at Kinky's web page. Clas has spewed here under many guises. He did admit to making the phone calls in question. Why is it that you have such difficulty believing that someone who posts death threats(several times), posts incessantly about his dog's genitals(FYI the pictures that were posted were poses of bestiality....Dog dicks indeed), insults people simlpy because of their nationality(especially Americans), uses juvenile pick up lines on anyone here who uses a female name, fakes heart attacks, has a serious drinking problem which renders him completely out of control (by his own admission) would make the phone calls....and that's only part of it....As for asking why YGK insulted you, he/she who lives by the sword...
Ruby: How can an abuse survivor defend Clas' conduct by saying he's family?
YGK & Kinky: there's no use, people will believe what they want to believe and don't want to be confused by facts (ref. Harry Nilsson, the Point).
PATSJAZZ: So now I know that PoH has at least 2 fans. "I'm an Adult Now" was tragically overlooked. But so was Todd Rundgen IMHO (who produced the album).
Oleander: Van Morrison, Peter Gabriel and (early) Kate Bush.
Clas: Behave yourself. We know you can.
Name: EvivaLaughs
but not at Myra
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 03:48:33
Comments:
Myra: you go, girl! Whatz to be embarrassed about?
Oleander: Of the women: Sade, or (in my wilder moments) Whitney Houston.
If I were a man: Who else? Donald Fagen.
Name: Clas
still Geenas
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 01:53:31
Comments:
Kinky; yes, last time you did the job, speaking shit of me in private with Aja (are you guys jealous or what?).
YGK; Maxine was back here on the board a while back, there were no hard feelings between us. Go to the archives. And you're obsessed with phonecalls, I know how you love to "tawk" over the phone.
Geena; I don't know if I like this, first Mick Jagger, now Henley. Hmmmm... well I met Joni Mitchell once. Okay, it was 45 other people in the room, but I asked her a lot of questions, you can read it on:
http://www.jonimitchell.com/PolarPressConference.html
see how I managed to sneak in Steely Dan in the end of the interview.
Name: Gap
twelverightwingsfor$4.99
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 at 01:14:47
Comments:
When I visited Malaysia a while back the tour guide was quick to say, "...and here is where the commoners caught the Royalty's piss in a pan and drank it so they too could convene with the gods..." What the guide didn't say is that the Kings had eaten half their weight in psilocybin. You see, until 1960 no commoner had ever partaken of the "King's Vision Machine" and lived to paint a VW van with their experiences. Sure, there were lots of rocks painted with images of stick figures cutting out another stick figure's heart, but I got to thinking, "Hmmm. Perhaps that whole "cutting out the heart" thing has to do with copping a buzz without paying for it." And you know, I was right! Check out Return to Paradise. It differs radically from Midnight Express in a crucial way. Midnight Express has a heart and Return to Paradise doesn't. Fucking Show Biz Kids!
Name: Kinky
indetroitwithlotsofmoneyinmybankaccount
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 21:21:07
Comments:
Did anyone see Steely Dan on Midnite Special the other night? That was the first time I noticed that Larry Carlton was in the guest house band. Anyone know the name of the group, I didn't catch it?
Geena - Let me get this straight... You feel that if Gold Keith wants to further discuss the (very public) antics of your love-Swede he should do so via private email? How thoughtful of you and your wish to spare us such things. I mean, your usual love-notes to Clas are so much more worthwhile to read, God forbid you'd want to put those nuggets in private email. Oh, and yeah, Gold Keith speaks the truth in this matter, these aren't just allegations, your loverboy actually admitted to calling and harassing women from this board. Then again, his confession may have just been due to a mental lapse cause by those cancer treatments he was undergoing a while back.
Gold Keith - You finally said something that made sense. Say, you didn't move to Manhattan or anything did you?
Name: Roy.Scam
wet.willie.keep.on.smiling
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 20:44:33
Comments:
Schwinn: Excellent reporting. Can you follow up, and find out if he staggered home to his precious one?
(I guess Bill probably skips over that part of Aja where they say, "Up on the hill they think I'm okay.")Oleander: I'd tell you who I most want to sing like but you'd probably think I was all shook up and send me down to the end of lonely street.
Second choice: Jackie Wilson.RS
Name: Schwinn
counternumberscreen
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 20:19:04
Comments:
This just in: PRESIDENT CLINTON SEEN DRINKING BLACK COW!
AP (Washington): President Clinton, holding a large black parasol in front of his face, was seen entering RUDY'S, a popular DC bar, then exiting almost immediately. Sources at Rudy's have confirmed the President did visit the bar briefly, ordered the unusual beverage, then gulped it down faster than a Gamma Chi at a panty raid. The Chief of Staff then reportedly mumbled, "well, it's better than eating crow", before disappearing into the rain swollen streets of our nation's capitol.
Name: Geena
Bella Vista Hotel, Providence, RI
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 20:18:05
Comments:
YGK: Thank you for your post, but was it really necessary to insult me? My apologies if you misunderstood my post, I do think before I write. I was only expressing my point of view as outsider and nothing else. I wasn't here at the time of the incident so I can't take anyone's side. I only see both sides of the story. If you want to discuss this further, I'll be happy to send you my email address.
Rudy: the studs are rootbeer colored and they go well with the poncho. Beantown has cleaned up its act and become another safe city, thanks to the efforts of our mayor and my neighbor, Tommy Menino. Sheesh! Does it take someone with a vowel at the end of their last name to do the job in this town? I hear NYC used Beantown as a model for cleaning up the corruption and nut cases. Can Chi-town or San Fran make the same claim? I think not! The reason why we're so crude here is the same reason New Yorkers have that F*** Y** attitude, you won't make it in the city if you wanna be a wuss, and people leave you alone when you display a "crazed" look in your eyes. Maybe it is my ethnic passion, or maybe it's because my relatives enjoy their masonry work. And as far as those who think they're blood is true blue, fahhgetaboutit! They make up less than 10% of the population because their ancestors passed away in prison without leaving next of kin. So much for royalty. About the wait personnel, have you ever eaten at Amaro's and did I wait on your table? Love the great job you're doing, see you in the limo. I don't see the Countzir0 in you!
Ruby: I didn't know you once lived in Mass.! I wish I knew you then. Ok, now that's three things we have in common: The Rat, Walden Pond and SD! It would be nice if Henley remembered. But wait, I did get a Christmas card at work from him that year, whether Mr. Henley or his people sent it, I'll never know. It had a Colorado P.O. Box number on the envelope.
Oleander: my choices would be: 1)Ann Wilson of Heart 2)Anita Baker 3)Freddie Mercury 4)David Bowie
Name: Myra Eyefull
alwayswantedtobeatorchsinger
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 20:09:58
Comments:
Oleander: I would be thrilled to sing like Bonnie Raitt because she has a great range and you can feel her pain and heart in her voice. If I was a man, I would like to sing like Billy Joel. It is hard to separate the songs from the man and how he writes and performs his own music. I really like Little Richard too. Of course any opera singer is one I respect. Have you heard Michael Bolton sing arias? You know who just said now I am embarrassing myself to the whole GB.
Myra
Name: Rose Darling
@yaddayaddayadda continued
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 18:29:43
Comments:
oleander:
I'd want to sing like any of the following (of those who immediately come to mind) :
(1) Don Henley, (2) Maria McKee, (3) Janis Siegel of Manhattan Transfer, (4) Shirley Bassey, (5) Steve Perry of Journey.
Name: Rose Darling
@Fake Posts Detection and Alias Exposure Service, Inc.
Location: Synchronicity Sinkhole, Disorder
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 18:22:26
Comments:
rubybaby:
Thanks for the nice thought. :)Geena:
Your self restraint was probably wise. Read in a magazine (can't say which one) in the last six months about King D. Henley getting married.To the Darling Other Darling:
I have my own opinions too about who the imposter posters are around here. FYI, I'm much too in love with my own opinion and broadcasting it the world to be shy about using my own nick. Therefore, I am not Tomorrow's Girl, although I will take it as a compliment if I resemble her as she is such a sweetie. I ain't got anythang better to say dan dat. And my knee is not jerking !Mock Turtle:
If you are right, then I (we) all need to get a life !
Name: rolling that rock
uphill
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 16:00:17
Comments:
Vote: thanks for that link to vote for SD. Wall of Sound looks like a pretty SD-clueless site: their "experts" didn't include a single SD album among the 100 nominations for top albums of the '70s, the only SD page on the site is a single review of AiA, and the the guy who reviewed it thinks "Third World Man" was a Fagen solo cut.
Sheesh - as usual it's uphill all the way. Hopefully all that will change when SD is nominated for Album of the Year sometime early in 2K
Name: DrMu
today's ironies
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 14:47:09
Comments:
Mock: Yesterday, I heard a blurb late night on the new which suggested that Sybill's 12 personalities were concocted by her therapist the power of suggestion! Is it possible that most of the plethora of people afterwards who claimed to have multiple personalities were copy cats? I'm not denying that his could be a real phenomenon. After all it's an old gypsy trick.
In the waiting for the leaks/videotape dept: Nixon's frustration then paranoia which led to the Watergate break-in and subsequent cover-up was largely an effort to find out and stop by any means the leaks which were coming out of the White House. Often as soon as a cabinet meeting was over, the essence of contents of those meeting would show up in the Washington Post the next day. This was happening during very disruptive times at home and during delicate negotiations with the Soviets, North Vietnames and Chinese.
Nixon was incensed and hired Daddy G and the gang as "plumbers" to fix or stop the leaks. Nixon felt there was a mole from the Democratic Party or someone who wanted to destroy his administration. The plumbers proceeded to gather information by wiretapping etc. (BTW, the Clinton adm has authorized far more wiretaps than Nixon). They also gathered an "enemies list" of the usual suspects and then some. Remember, Colson went to jail for the possession of ONE FBI file. Nothing was off-limits for the "plumbers" in terms of "dirty tricks" to discredit Nixon's "ememies" short of bodily harm. Nixon also started to tape all conversations in the White House. His management sytle was to have cabinet members and others come to see him in the Oval Office. He didn't travel here and there bor meetings as Bill Clinton does. Nixon was truly not a "people person" but depended upopn his analytical skills. legal backgound and his knowledge for how power works on the macro level. People like Haldeman took care of the nuts and bolts by specifically sending Daddy G and the gang to break into the DNC's office to dig up dirt. They left a piece of tape disengaging the lock on the back door of the Watergate Hotel. A security guard found it, while G was stumbling around the DNC office like on of those Rockford Files episodes and the rest is history. Here's the funny part: last year. a book surfaced (I haven't read it, but heard about it) which presented evidence that the source of the major leaks or "Deep Throat" was someone deep in the Nixon adminsitration: none other than Alexander "I'm in charge" Haig. Part of the circumstantial evidence was a picture of Haig and the Posts Bob Woodward together as best buddies dating from the late 60's which was in Woodward's office. Woodward has "no comment" on this theory.
Name: Mock Turtle
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 14:17:37
Comments:
I think you guys are all one person with multiple personality disorder.
Name: Vote
vote
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 12:08:19
Comments:
vote vote vote for steely dan
http://www.wallofsound.com/features/stories/top_100_albums/70s/index.html
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 11:57:42
Comments:
EvivaLaughs: I think Ms. Rand would love any read of her works, although I'm not sure that she would care for the accent, which was for Connie's 'enjoyment' only.
Name: so
what
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 11:40:26
Comments:
who cares?
Name: White House Correspondent
cor@whitehouse.com
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 10:04:41
Comments:
The Lewinsky hearings have begun.
Name: EvivaLaughs
again for YGK
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 09:56:35
Comments:
Oh, YGK, way to go on Connie Lee. Think Ayn would approve?
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 07:52:37
Comments:
Myra: JB also did 'Pretender' - the woman behind me was yelling for Opening Farewell - then he did 'Runnin' with Bonnie's band - I was yelling for 'Somethin' Fine'.
Connie: Hey, babe, wanna party? I could read you Atlas Shrugged for starters....and read it in a s l o w , Southern twang.
Name: jamaicandude
yah-mon
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 07:40:16
Comments:
Oh Connie that was mean.
Oh fezo and count0 - Florida Room is the most beautiful song on Kama. That "filler" you describe at the end is such a wonderful blend of music with voices with words - it could go on another 5 minutes and I would not tire of it. The key is to put on the headphones, sit back, close your eyes, and fall in to it. Soon you will smell the scent of dahlias mixed with warm ocean air and you, too, will drift back to that Florida Room. It happened to me, in the dentist chair, when the song came on the radio. Or maybe it was the gas coming through that mask...
Name: Myra Eyefull
greeneyed
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 07:39:43
Comments:
YGK: I'm so jeolous of you getting to hear Bonnie Raitt and Jackson Browne. I checked to see if they were playing in Virginia anytime soon but no such luck for the Hampton Roads area. I heard Bonnie Raitt a couple of years ago in Richmond. She came with The Band, which happens to be one of my husband's favorite group, beside SD, and it was one hell of a concert.
My favorite song she sings with Jackson Browne is "This is my opening farewell". What I also like about her concerts is that she has some of her friends to drop in and jam with her that are not scheduled to show up, like Delbert McClinton. Good time for all!!!Myra Greeneyefull
Name: Connie Lee
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 07:33:33
Comments:
Oh, YGK, shut up
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 06:55:51
Comments:
Dr Mu: Thank Yu! U R A solid voice of reason in the Cyber-Wilderness........
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY Bitterslovakia
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 06:39:32
Comments:
Have you ever done something you said you wouldn't do to your best friend in the world? As a result of 'hitting the Jack'?, or actually, hitting the Jack was 'against the law'......? whatever....have you ever?
I did, and am waiting to find out how my life changes, if, in deed it does....life in turmoil....could be deadly....
I saw Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt on Friday night at Jones Beach in Long Island. Great show - Jackson looks and sounds great, although he can't hit the high ones any more. I haven't had chills like that since the Hold Out Tour.
He played acoustic, "For a Dancer", "Here Come those Tears Again", and a few others from his first album. He also played "Somebody's Baby" and "For a Rocker", my least favorites - like JB trying to 'pop'.Bonnie played a bunch of John Hiatt tunes, but her slow originals were beautiful when teamed up with Jackson. Good show - good vibe.
OK - I have my own reasons and validity about the swede, I have my own proof, which might frighten some of you, but I'm not going to break my neck to prove anything to the loyalists. You're all individuals and will think what you will....so will I. At least you've been warned.
geena: read your post AGAIN! Cetain psychological patterns allow detectives to figure out who is most likely to commit a crime - and, in the case of the porn, based on past behavior, the makeup, etc. the signs point to.....no I don't have 'proof', but many sick crimes are solved by understanding individuals makeup, childhood, etc. I can't explain it all here, but what I DO know based on personal conversation, meeting the victim, speaking with them and hearing the tale, is that phone numbers were (stupidly) given, calls were made, lecherousness existed (still does), harrassment took place on more than one occasion, and the girl was truly frightened - and that's just this ONE person - ALLEGEDLY, there were others. I resent your insinuation that I'm just posting for the hell of it - "positive in what I speak" - I don't know about you, darling, but when I speak, I'm positive - I don't make a habit of slamming assholes because it's cute, so now, I must ask you, do YOU just type in whatever comes to your mind - are all of your posts bullshit? Does your lover/wife/husband/bitch clas know that? or do you both wallow in falsity?
and we can't know that OJ killed Nicole, based on your theory....please
ygk - I'm sorry folks, I'm out....
Name: Edd
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 03:38:30
Comments:
With the recent discussion of "Black Cow" still fresh in my mind, I slapped on the cans last night to do some critical listening to the tune.
Quelle horreur!! Within 5 seconds I heard what I can only believe is a {gasp! I can hardly say the word, it seems so unbelievable!} mistake. A glitch. An audio faux pas.
Joe Sample's clavinet is panned mostly to one side, while its reverb signal shares sonic airspace with the guitar on the opposite side. It all seems so nice until the end of measure two, when the clav's reverb seems to terminate abruptly only to be replaced by a *buzz* of some sort. (The reverb may not actually be ending but, rather, simply overpowered by the rogue signal.) The noise seems electronic in nature, but certainly not a 60hz AC hum. Yet, I'm not unconvinced it's not an errant guitar string noise, or even a harmonic from the clav. Nonetheless, whatever it is, it doesn't belong there. There's a big booger hanging blatantly from the nose of "Black Cow"...
You heard it here first, kids. Close the guest book, pack up the hats and hooters and get out of here. It's all over.
Edd
Name: Clas
geenas legal fender
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 at 02:04:51
Comments:
Schwinn - ahh, you are thinking og the Dutch! No, I'm speaking about Germans you see. It was war, darn it, we had to do it. No, Amsterdam was great. I used to love those Coffee Shops.
Okay - to whoever it may concern; thanks for the condoms who was ordered in my name, Discreet Condome Package from USA, but I don't need them. If I would need condoms, I would just go to a store and buy them. We are not shy about those things in Sweden.
Right out in the open:
- A package of condoms please.
- What colour sir?
You got it Dr Mu/ YGK or whoever...?
Name: Schwinn
savingthelifeofbryan
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 22:37:22
Comments:
Oleander: 25 points for using the word "thrum" to describe the big bike's distinctive sound. Made me go outside and polish some more chrome...
Roy: Nice to have you back. However, I'm sorry to say that TWO truckloads is the minimum order on the serotonin uptake inhibitors. Tony Robbins taught me to think BIG.
Clas: Not fond of the Dutch? It's those tight, wooden shoes, isn't it?
Count: Ask Darlin.
Lisa: The hydroponic experiment has been successful and now I'm tinkering with the sniff-proof shrink wrap. Are we using Dominos or Fed Ex? Did you get ahold of that guy?
Name: Mayor Rudy
no grand jury here
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 21:53:23
Comments:
Geena: I`d love to see the studs that match your eyes, i figured
they were dark brown to go with your olive skin...I didn`t know Beantown was the 2nd best city in the country, i thought Chicago or Frisco was. The problem with Boston is everyone thinks their desendents from Royalty .The waiters and waitresses are flat out fuckin crude. You do have great history though. I`m sure you can go toe to toe with me with wit, it`s your ethnic passion that makes you stand out on a crowded bus. Someone said countzirO was me ,not so. Fact is I`ve been to Crooklynn but never Brooklyn. The limo is a lock, the City is greatly improved, but public transportation is streching it. I know N.Y.C has a bad rep on rudeness, it`s just with all the wackos the residents are combat ready. A good comparison would be the Viet Cong...Tell them Beaners that the Mayflower was loaded with convicts and other undesireables, theres their blue blood for them. Love ya, making the City great again, Rudy (no stains please)
Name: Darling if I only knew
@ alleged typo below
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 16:25:29
Comments:
Oh. My mistake. The question below should really read, "Doesn't anybody have anything better TO DO?"
Name: Darling if I only knew
half as much as everybody thinks I do
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 16:19:05
Comments:
Ok, I figured it out. countzirO is Mayor Rudy. Rose Darling is Tomorrow's Girl. Clas is posting fake posts of himself. And Chrissy Hindsight is a complete jackass.
Count, RD, Clas, Chrissy: ***imagine own knee-jerk denial here***
Anybody else got anythang better?
Name: rubybaby
V@nderbilt Road, Acton Mass
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 13:45:16
Comments:
RoseDarling: I forgot you are a newbie, you fit right in. I know that's scary, but just accept it as it's meant - a good thing.Geena: Thanks for the kind words - back attcha! Your post called up some fond memories of when I was about 10. In the summer, on her sober days, mom would drive us out to Walden Pond. We'd spend the entire afternoon swimming and playing on the shore in the sandy dirt. Even then, there was a special quality about that place. Time stood still, but life was not stagnant. I'm betting that swimming is not allowed there anymore! I'm very grateful to DHenley. He's a rascal, but so what? I'll bet he still remembers you, in that place between sleep and waking.
Oleander: I vote for you to emerge from Edd's birthday cake, wearing cut-offs and pearls. You could pull it off, I know!
Dr.Mu: Clas has called me on the tele many times and at varying hours ( those damn time zones!). He's always been graceful and charming. Even once, when he was inebriated, he was nothing short of a gentleman. If we're going to be critical, let's hear it all.
St.Al: Great new look of the Lyrics site. Whose brainchild was it, yours or Rudy's?
rb
Name: fezo
Maria.i.just.met.a.girl. . .
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 08:08:01
Comments:
I wish I could sing like Jose Carreras. Forget the Three Tenor crap, the recording of West Side Story he did with Bernstein is indicative enough of his amazing voice
Name: Clas
singing?
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 01:36:48
Comments:
"And when the morning light comes streaming in
I'll get up and do it again
Amen
Say it again
Amen..."
I wanne sing like Jackson Browne.
Name: Tropical Miles
turkishunion
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 at 01:35:38
Comments:
Do's and Dont's at Kablammy Danny's:
Do bring gifts
Don't tiparillo
Do bring the Big Mellow
Don't hesitate
Do wear a "Funway East" T-shirt
Don't forget the Ozium
Do roll downtown
Don't forget your perma-suit
Do wear an "I'm Not Your __________" nametag
Don't forget the jumper cables
Name: oleander
mug shot
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 21:04:09
Comments:
Docta Mu--Your description of Clas sounds kind of like a generic GBer profile.
Name: oleander
almost on my way
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 20:58:28
Comments:
Schwinn--It's Propecia, and all I'd say is how bad do you want hair? I'm kind of with you, just lagging a bit, but agree. We'll be hearing the thrum of those big engines with every breaking wave.
These days the question in my house is: if you were given the gift to sing like ANYONE, whom would you choose? One male and one female? Will post our choices later--want to hear others'.
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Name: Geena
in my room
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 20:06:15
Comments:
Rose Darling:
Stranger is on vacation. He'll be back next week.Yes, we do share another hero and I absolutely love him! It was very difficult keeping my paws off of him that evening. Unfortunately, while we were talking, people would stop by to ask for his autograph and each time this happened, he would hand me his bottle of Dos Equis to hold while he signed away. Needless to say this happened quite often. While babysitting his beer, I'm pondering over my plan of attack and got the sudden urge to tackle him right there on the spot, but my logical side kicked me really hard in the ass and said "don't be such a slut Geena" and I began thinking of the aftermath. I could have made a complete idiot of myself while simultaneously spilling beer all over him thereby risking the chance of pissing him off, getting arrested and making the 15th page of the Herald the next day.
I think I also saw His Excellency doing a TV ad for the Walden Woods Project. Last I heard he was dating Walter Mondale's daughter. Can't say he has a thing for blondes though, Maren, a former girlfriend of his was a brunette. I know I haven't been catching up on the latest gossip from the entertainment world, but when did he get married?
Clas: my email is on its way darling. Who owns Tasha, the Yankee dog?
DrMu: I hear what you're saying and I think it might be best to just keep it in the family or maybe just forget about it. As I said before, I wasn't here then, so can't really say who is guilty, but it's just that it keeps resurfacing again and again. It's over and it's history. Even OJ can't be tried for the same crime twice. Let's let it die.
Rudy: Being from the second greatest city next to NYC, I KNOW that New York mentality thing because it spills over into Beantown. I have to maintain a particular attitude every day to keep certain morons hands from where they shouldn't be on a crowded subway. So, you like my spangled leather poncho? You should see the studs that match my eyes city boy! As for bogus posting, I can't imagine who you would be, but let me study this a bit and I'll get back to you on it. Also, I'm delighted your honor for allowing me to call you Rudy. Send the limo to pick me up at Penn station on December 15, I'll buy you a drink. I think we can match each other wit for wit. There's no place like Brooklyn; there's no place like Brooklyn….
Name: Rose Darling
@the faces of the stranger, how we love to try them on
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 18:10:00
Comments:
I find it strange, to find myself sitting here thinking strangely to myself, I feel estranged from The Stranger. wHeRe ArE yOu Stranger???
Name: Rose Darling
@where people are rolling in the snow far from the world we know
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 18:00:06
Comments:
Geena:
We share another hero ! Yes, I heard all about King Henley's involvement with Walden Woods previously. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe I saw DH in an ad on tv speaking publicly about the saving the Woods. Lucky, lucky you, getting to meet him and progress to conversing !!! Like I said, I already forgave him. Still, I'd like to see him pair up with someone other than his current 20-something model trophy wife. I know, I know, very judgemental of me, and not fair to her. But then, I'm the type to complain about Paul Simon being with Edie Brickell.GREAT progressive analysis on Black Cow. Never would have placed DF singing that one to WB til you.
P.S. How DID you keep your hands off Don Henley ?????Clas:
Pompe is truly a GREAT DANe if he has acquired a special admiration and appreciation of yankees. Nuff said, from a New England state ex-patriate.
Name: Clas Johan Lundkvist
"Volcanic"
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 05:36:01
Comments:
I'm sorry I forgot,
Zeke; "What do you think of the very end of the song? The way it fades. That's killer!" Yeah, you're right.
How was Florida?
Rose D; ehhh... I think Pompe would be very sad if I took his Bag Balm. He's watching over it, day and night. I even have to bring it with me down here to the office, put it on the floor so he can see it.
Today I've promised him that he can stay up late so he can watch Letterman. He love yankees now. And most he loves a special yankeedog called Tasha.
Name: Clas
Geenas neck a cat
Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 at 01:30:34
Comments:
Oboy!
dr Mu; you swear that everything that YGK said is true? How can you do that? And who are those "we" you are speaking of?
YGK; are you in someway related to J Edgar Hoover?
I can't help it but this shit makes me laugh. I forgive you, dr Mu, and YGK. I guess I must have hurt you guys real much somewhere in the past, I'm sorry for that.
RubyBaby; I got your pics last night when I came home. I'll email you, you beauty! Yeah, rocknroll hair!!
Geena; Well, today it's Saturday, I am finished. I'll email you too my dark star!
Oleander; thanx, can I call you next weekend? He he he...
Rose; yeah, I seem to be a very interesting guy around here. Especially for some men...
Name: DrMu
missing sentence
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 21:49:18
Comments:
St. Al could tell you who placed the purile porno... even though my suspicions match the bearded one's.
Name: DrMu
trytohangon
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 21:38:03
Comments:
Geena: We should try to, as my Italian great aunts would say, keep it "in the family," but I'm sorry to say that every word YGK told you I swear is true. Clas is an intelligent, probably quite gifted, mercurial, empathic, but dysfunctional man subject to neuroses, anxiety attacks, and fits of mania. A former poster who went by the fine bogus persona of Maxine was the recipient of some of those late night, less than savory calls. I believe St. Al, or for that matter anybody clever enough, can and did trace the i.p. address of the computer which sends a message or picture. You won't currently find the image as our diligent host quickly purged it from family viewing...only Green Acres and Twilight Zone type fare here, thank you. Our foreign friend in the past has POSTED under more bogus personas than Madonna has faux rosary beads. We put up with him because, well... he uuhh WON'T GO AWAY (although he's threatened to), and because of flashes of brilliance displayed like on the POST about Gaucho. Plus he can be funny as hell. We need a token mainland Euro or two here anyway (we did have a few Germans from time to time) as long as he doesn't mention soccer, even though there the remote possiblity that Clas could be a mid-level record exec. out of LA acting as a mole.
Name: oleander
come on daddy
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 21:27:40
Comments:
First things first: HAPPY BIRTHDAY EDD, Lurker Supreme, Deconstructor Extraordinaire, and King of the Soul of Wit. Many happy returns of X2C2U.
Second thing: Maybe I'm becoming dyslexic in my middle age, or am just the idiot you probably think, but here is the REAL url for the oleander page, if you're still here with me.... http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm Y'all visit.
David--I'd love to hear that courtship story.
CZ--ole don't play that.
Doc K--Name the dude ranch. I'm there.
Roy--That take on TIS was the best thing I've seen here this week. Is that Betelgeuse mowing the lawn?
Geena--rite on. E me if you want some more history. I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND think Clas posted that shit.
Clas--It's OK, it'll pass. "Gaucho"--very interesting. Gave me the chills. What a hard time that must have been.
Zeke--Have spent some time in Grayton Beach, right next door. If you want to hear a "Gaucho" instrumental, catch Keith Jarrett's "Long As You're Living Yours," on "Belonging."
Mu--It helped me to read the Gibson books in order.
YGK--It's complicated. I think Ruby's gotten the closest to it. If I can chat amiably with someone who once called me a bitch, or beam fondly on someone whose job is to be the troll under the bridge, or see more sides of a Swede, or find a twinned spirit, hey, there's something going on in this synchronicity sinkhole.
Ruby--You are the sweetheart of the rodeo. Warm fuzzies back atcha.
Myra--girlfriend, I would hope testing has nothing to do with it. Let's party.
New record for my compulsive response disorder (CRD), I think.
Name: Geena
Home at last
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 20:58:48
Comments:
Rose Darling: I had the pleasure of being invited backstage during Don Henley's "Building the Perfect Beast" concert. After the show, I got to hang out with him for a while. He's totally amazing! He's an incredibly congenial and intelligent man and he LOVES his politics. It doesn't surprise me in the least that he introduced Donna Rice to Gary Hart, since they all lived in the same area of Colorado and very often frequented each other's homes. Though, I don't know him personally, during the hour or so I sat with him after the show he unfurled a human side of him that I rarely saw in some of the other artists that I've met through the years. We discussed a lot of politics, his love of nature and the Walden Woods Project.
Walden Woods is a remarkably awe inspiring wild life preserve located in Concord, Mass. The love of this land inspired author Henry David Thoreau to write about its ethereal tranquility and majestic surroundings. Several years ago, Walden Woods was purchased by a commercial developer and in grave danger of becoming a large shopping mall and condominiums. Through the efforts of Don Henley who headed the project, fought the bureaucratic bullshit and threw his heart and soul into it raised awareness and enough money to buy the land back and then had it declared conservation land so no one will ever touch it again. Forgive him, he's a wonderful human being and my hero.
Luckless Pedestrian, Fezo & Roy.Scam: Great analagies of Black Cow. It does make some sense to me now, but allow me turn this around a bit. Not sure if it's true, but I recall reading or hearing somewhere that WB practices some sort of mystic creed whose name escapes me at the moment. So, now I'm thinking if this is true and accompanied with rumors of his alleged substance abuse, could it be that the song is about him? Though I can't imagine him looking "so outrageous". LP: Are you sure you didn't look at the CD when spelling Bodhisattva? This analytical mind o' mine can be a pain in the ass at times! But for now let me fill my void and listen to Katylied.Rube: It's always pleasant to go home after a long day or night at whatever we do for a living, whether it's family, friends, significant others, etc. It's wherever our comfort zone is, a place to relax, kick back and enjoy. You, among others have become my extended family. A prime example would be my day today. Lately, my manager has been breathing down my neck and distrusting me for reasons that are beyond my comprehension. She had me so stressed out today, I nearly lost it on her several times, but I took a few deep, healing breaths instead and thought she's not worth my aggravation. I started to unwind a bit when I got home, but needed more relaxation, so the first thing I did was turn on my computer and head straight here. Everything you said is a true and accurate account of who we are here in the GB. Now, please clarify your reference to "kissing cousins"!
Count: you were gone long enough for us to miss you!
YGK: More than likely I didn't even own this computer when the porno pics were posted here, but unless you have an "in" with StAl and/or are positive in what you speak, no one can really be sure who the guilty party is. Maybe I'm playing devils advocate here, but look at the other side. If you were a visiting a small village in a foreign land and a heinous crime was committed, human nature would make the villagers point the finger at you and wouldn't you try your hardest to defend yourself? OJ never had to defend himself; he had enough money and slimy lawyers to be his mouthpiece. From my past observations of this GB, there are individuals here who post under other Gbers names for the sake of a cheap laugh at someone else's expense. It's happened to me. Without positive proof, can we truly believe those who profess to receiving said obscene phone calls from one claiming to be Clas? I am in complete agreement with you that women do not merit being sexually harassed, but neither do men. Maybe I do know too little. I can't speak for what happened before I began posting here, but I guess what I'm trying to say is, aren't we all innocent until proven guilty? and the key word here is "proven". Unless there is absolute, tangible proof, everything is hearsay.
Name: Mayor Rudy
Tammany Hall, N.Y, NY
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 20:05:58
Comments:
Sorry GB`ERS I got so turned on postin-up Geena that i forgot to make my point. You people are well intentioned, trying to disect D+W lyrics. I being from the City can understand their sardonic humor, you see it`s a New York mentality kind of thing. Now i don`t claim to be into Yiddish humor, but i know these boys twenty years ago were basically jackin us all off, so there it is in a N.Y. crackball minute...You Einstein`s can speculate all you want...Forget about it, Mayor Rudy
Name: Mayor Rudy
Forgetaboutit...
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 19:41:34
Comments:
Geena: I`m glad you liked my interview on T.V. Drag is not the only thing i`m into, I too am a bogus poster, who am i, doll ? As far as Marilynn M was concerned, i did her. You`ll be home for X-mas huh , what are you gonna do, hang out at the Danstock in Va. till then? I bet your a stone-fuckin knockout in your spangled leather poncho... and yes our crime rate is way down ,too bad the hookers prices don`t come down... Making the City great again .. Yours if you ever dumped that pathetic Swede, Mayor Rudolf (Rudy to you doll)
Name: Rose Darling
@Please Prose Police, don't Pummel My Less Than Perfect Post!
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 16:39:49
Comments:
Clas: I'm beginning to think you are the King of the World since you seem to have more Clas-wanna-be imposters than can be counted. One wonders if your eventually but not inevitably exposed impostors would dress up in your skivvies if they could get their hands on them. Hey, there might be money to be made on this... oh heck, I forgot about the ban on pornographic pictures here !
I've heard about the miraculous properties of Bag Balm. If Pompe doesn't use his up, think you might share it with the rest of us? P.S. I think I'm getting the hang of phony posts ! I could tell that Pompe has a posting impostor as I know you care too much for him to molest him.countzirO:
Oh, so now you have to "find the time" to compose a poem back to me, huh??? I knocked your little "forced rhyme" off in 3 minutes flat. Imagine what I could do with a week buster !!!
(Okay, now wipe off the sweat from your forehead, I'm just yanking your chain !) And, I have no hang-ups about being found lacking compared to W. Whitman as I have never read his poetry anyway.rubybaby:
Thank your spouse for perhaps unknowingly prompting a warm tribute to your GB friends. Although I'm a newbie, it gave me a warm fuzzie feeling all over to read what you said.Dr. Mu:
Despite his lyrical brilliance, expert musicianship, stupendous charisma and the rock voice second to none (well, maybe except DF) it disappoints me to be given proof once again that Don Henley is a bimbo chick man. Still I have no choice but to forgive him. I mean, for God's sake, he IS Don Henley !!! I'd have to re-write half my musical life without him.
Anyday now, I expect to see Don on Howard Stern's show, cuddling Jessica Hahn. Oh, the agony...
Name: Roy.Scam
moon.spoon.june.dune
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 16:18:23
Comments:
I think we've reached a point of serious overanalysis on these song lyrics. As complex and mysterious as their appeal may be, these are songs that we love because we relate them to our own experiences, mundane as they might seem. Despite our intellectualization and oblique inferences, they are, at the core, simple songs about a guy and a girl. Okay, maybe sometimes a guy and a guy. Possibly, on rare occasions, a guy and a planet or a guy and a SWAT team......Alright, alright, in extreme cases a guy, two flight attendants, a nursery full of narcotics, a mayonaise jar, a cocker spaniel, and a pair of black socks, but that's all I'll admit to.
RS
Name: Zeke
its raining
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 15:34:55
Comments:
Clas: Nice take on Gaucho. For some strange reason I always paid more attention to the music of that song. It's one of my favorites. For me, Gaucho could be an instrumental piece, very nice combo of piano, keyboards, horns, and bass. I feel the music suggests impatience and aggravation. What do you think of the very end of the song? The way it fades. That's killer!
Third World Man is another song I feel has the same meaning.
Z.
Name: Pompe
Clas' ding-dong doggie!!
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 12:00:54
Comments:
GB: Someone please rescue me. For many many days Clas has been rubbing my doggie dong and he made it all red and sore. It hurts really bad. Clas beats me with a stick when I say no, he goes bam bam smack. My doggie fur is all messed up where he beats me. He likes to beat my on my bottom, ouch. someone please help.
Pompe
Name: fezo
I'd.take.the.5th
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 11:36:49
Comments:
Rose: Wu turned out to be a blond, tan Californian. Not very Wuish. Pretty cool woman, I almost worked up the nerve to ask her if she ever heard the song, but didn't want her to think I was weird so I showed her the GB instead. She wants to meet Clas and Pompe.
Dr. Mu: Check out the August 10 issue of The New Yorker if you get a chance. There's an interesting article about prosecutorial use of perjury charges in cases such as the Presidents. It's the latest rage, but is frowned upon in a lot of legal circles.
Incidentally, the President still might be able to get off . . . strike that, that's probably never been in doubt . . . the Presdient still might be able to escape prosecution even if he confesses to certain sexual acts. I'd explain further but this is a family GB.
Name: DrMu
random.µsings.before.smoky.monday
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 10:54:27
Comments:
Did you all know:
1) Donna Rice was introduced to Gary Hart by her then boyfriend Don Henley.
2) Ken "La Page" Starr delivered the report to Congress outlining Bob Packwood's direputable behavior against female staff in the elevators of the Capitol, etc. This resulted in Packwood's resignation, of course.
Sure Clinton did it, I just can't wait to see how he weasels out of it on Monday. He, I believe, loves his "back to the wall." Fill in your own Monica joke here.
In the topic revisted but too lazy to look through the archive department. What drum performances on a Dan or solo effort do you all prefer, besides Gadd's on Aja that is. My bias or affinity is for ones with a lot of "fill." With that in mind nominations include: Jeff Porcaro in YGTII, Steve Jordan in True Companion, Chris Parker in On the Dunes, and Peter Erskine in Book of Liars from AiA. I just dig that kind of style.
Ruby: glad you could confide in us...hope it helps
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
Taoist Cowboy
Location: Va Beach, mind
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 10:43:47
Comments:
Geena:
The "Book of Numbers" referred to in Black Cow is the companion book to the Tao te Ching. As you probably know, Taoism is all about "balance" spiritually. I think B&F use its presence next to the "remedies" (the drugs you mentioned) as a point of irony: this poor lady is definitely *not* balanced. B&F are once again skewering Americans' love of quick-fix spirituality that they so brilliantly captured in "Bodhisattva" (which I correctly spelled without have to look at the CD first!).
Name: rubybaby
@ll in the family
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 10:05:24
Comments:
One evening, my Dan-tolerating Spouse, who was sprawled out on the sofa recovering from a work-out at the gym, noticed the computer screen aglow with St.Al's guest book again. He remarked, "What is it with you and that guestbook? I just don't see the appeal." I peered at him briefly before I said, "I really don't know." Not very original, and since I've taken time to think about it, not even true anymore. Here's what I believe is the crux of the matter:
We operate as a family. We have all the characteristics of a big, extended family. We think about each other almost every day, whether we like it or not. We fight. We make up. We play. We have black sheep; we have father figures; we have *kissing cousins*. We're scattered all over the country, as are most families these days. We argue about politics, but in the end we accept each other despite our vast differences of opinion. We vent; we have rivalry; we scheme, dream & joke around with each other. There's another family reunion this weekend. Not all of us will make it, but since when does everybody make it to a family reunion? There must be 2 or 3 generations that post here. We even learn from each other sometimes.
In these days of broken and divided families, there remains a need inside each of us for connection to, well...a family. We get it where we can find it. St. Al has set up this guest book in such a way that gives us freedom, which has led to our being able to bond in some way. I don't think he realized what would occur, but now we're a *family*.
YGK: To answer your question about why we love Clas: HE'S FAMILY. Btw, I was archiving (what a pain!) to find a particular post that someone made 2 years ago. While I was looking, I noticed some really interesting, intelligent & touching posts you made. You may be big & tough on the outside, but you have a deep, sensitive, beautiful heart on the inside. You have a lot to give.
rb
Name: Steve V. Wondering
in deep agni yoga meditation
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 09:33:45
Comments:
Does anyone realize that it has been a full FOUR years since Becker's '11 Tracks.." came out!!...come on guys...give us something....
gives us your tired discarded demos, your half realized muses, your banal attempts, your vain posturings, self absorbed blatherings....puleaze put out some new friggin' music!
(Sorry for sounding so pathetic......now back to your normal Gues. Anok Transmission)
and hey St. Al...I love the new design...looks vaguely 'Birth of Broadcasting'-esque.
Name: RubyBaby
d@ncin w/ the CA Raisins (snap, snap!)
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 09:10:58
Comments:
RazorBoy: this may not be romantic, but I'd love a good salad with fresh tomatoes from the garden, some homemade garlic bread & a glass of white wine.
The Bside was the one I listened to less. I viewed it as the more adult side when I was a teen (except for anyworld). Do you enjoy cooking with someone you love? Or do you like to watch the game while they serve you with all kinds of cullinary delights?
Just be honest and don't assume anything...Fezo: The Marvin I found is called "Marvin Gaye - Every great Motown Hit - 15 Spectacular Performances." It's not as special as getting an album he made, but it's still pretty wonderful. It includes: Mercy Mercy Me, Let's Get It On, You're All I Need To Get By, I Heard It Thru The Grapevine, What's Going On, How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You, Got To Give It Up, Ain't Nothin Like The Real Thing, Inner City Blues, and other goodies. Surprised my honey with it last night. We had fun.
You're not a shark anymore. Now I see you are a beautiful Orca, who's back fin would fold down if you were held captive from the things you love. Now, go eat those bad sharks...
rb
Name: Countzir0
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 08:39:12
Comments:
Fezo: Yeah, I tend to agree with you about Florida Room, although the sax solos are quite listenable there at the end of the song. Somewhat redundant on the, "When the cold wind blows...etc., etc.," Still, it's a Dan song, and compared to other artists from the Classic rock era who are continuing to make music, it kicks ass.
Rose: Was I harsh? I said it was "cute..." No, not Whitman, I'm not necessarily a Whitman fan, I guess it was the forced rhyming that threw me off. I didn't mean to be critical, you're always such a sweetheart to me. Don't take anything I say in a bad way, OK? If I have time, maybe I'll compose a poem back to you.
Geena: Well, I missed you too. I wasn't gone that long was I?
Dr. Mu: Well, I'm glad you like the book. I've read it several times myself. It's a bit strange how closely I relate to this book, that's why I chose it as my name. I'm a computer technician myself, and somewhat of a hacker/programmer, plus I'm a Steely Dan fan to the utmost, and I also studied Voodoo for awhile(not as a religion, just for fun). When I read the book, I just felt like the name fit me--I don't aspire to be a writer, in fact, I'm a horrible, run-on sentence, speak-whatever-comes out-of-my-mouth-at-the-time writer. But I sure enjoy reading people like Gibson, and can emulate him to some degree if put on the spot to do so. Let me know how you like it as you go...
Schwinn: I was sleeping in Astronomy 101, so, I don't know whether to take your comments as a compliment or an insult?? Enlighten me.
Chrissy Hindsight: Suck my dick, dumfuck.
Name: Roy.Scam
proverbs.proverbs.they're.so.true
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 07:33:15
Comments:
Geena: The Book of Numbers is in the Bible. As I recall, it's right next to Dude-eronomy. Actually, my opinion regarding Black Cow is that the numbers are phone numbers and her remedies, as fezo opines, are a collection of opiates collected in an 'I'll try anything to fill the void' fashion. The lady apparently uses people AND substances. Maybe there's even some food supplements, religious paraphenalia, Amway Prozac, a Sweatin' to the Oldies tape, a picture of Chairman Mao and an I Ching in there. Or a copy of Countdown To X2C (That's what I'd use if I had a void.)
I thought "get out of here" referred to later when she has staggered home to her precious one and is spilling her self-centered misery on him. He's finally tired of it and asks her to get over it. 'Get out of here' could be literal or figurative (like Ray Liotta saying "Get the fukoutaheeeer"). The black cow is just one of the attempted remedies.
Schwinn: How much for a dumpster full of your brand-name serotinin uptake inhibitors? I don't have to become a distributor to buy some, do I?
RS
Name: Dan Analysis
.
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 07:03:59
Comments:
Clas, back in 78 or so, Carter agreed to sell kerosene to the Middle East. So on the news, they show footage of him on a sidewalk somewhere answering questions from people who wanted to know why we are selling this stuff when our supply is low. So Carter rationalizes that we purchase millions of barrels of oil from the mid east. So, someone pipes up and says "Oh that's how it works, I'll scratch your back you scratch mine." I'll bet Fagen was watching this and cracked up and thought he needed to put that line in a song somewhere.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 06:19:06
Comments:
Geena: I'm sure you do, however, a while ago, perhaps before you were born - at least, here - there were lewd pornographic pix posted here, which Clas over-defended being the guilty publishing party.
Like OJ - no one has found 'the real poster' - all we have are his over-denials.
There are also archived instances - unless St. Al edited completely - where Clas, or one claiming to be Clas would phone American women in the middle of the night, the phone calls being obnoxious and, I've heard from one victim, lecherous and crude. Perhaps they were ill advised to give their #'s to him anyway, however, one doesn't deserve to be sexually taunted just because they are female.
Me thinks you know way tool little....
Name: Clas
Geenas LAN-Administration
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 06:13:40
Comments:
Today I am very happy. So I want to analyse a song! Down below here is something I think will stagger the minds of both regulars and rushers;
When Becker and Fagen was making Gaucho the Steely Dan-sun was standing in zenit. Both were burned out, and music was not Walters first love anymore. Drugs were.
Gaucho
Just when I say
'Boy we can't miss
You are golden'
Then you do this
You say this guy is so cool
Snapping his fingers like a fool(Fagen says; - Hey man, this is gonna be the the best album ever and you are fucking it up with your drugs. You're a fool if you think those drugs are cool)
One more expensive kiss-off
Who do you think I am ?( - We are friends ok, but just to a certain point. It's YOUR life)
Lord I know you're a special friend
But you don't seem to understand
We got heavy rollers
I think you should know
Try again tomorrow( - Yeah, a special friend, and we got songs that are real cruel, but as I said, you're screwing up this shit man, leave the studio, go home and sober up, try again tomorrow.)
Can't you see they're laughing at me
Get rid off him
I don't care what you do at home
Would you care to explain(Studio-people, Label-people, friends. They are laughing. Shaking their heads. Fagen is worried and embarrassed. Is this project going down the drain?)
Who is the Gaucho amigo,
Why is he standing
In your spangled leather poncho
And your elevator shoes
Bodacious cowboys
Such as your friend
Will never be welcome here
High in the Custerdome( Gaucho = drugs, alcohol. Spangled leather poncho. Becker is caught in a typical drug-self-denial. The Custerdome= the high music level The Two are used to.)
What I tell you
Back down the line
I'll scratch your back,
You can scratch mine
No he cant sleep on the floor,
What do you think I'm yelling for?
I'll drop him near the freeway
Doesn't he have a home ?(- Quit the shit. There are no shortcuts, do it once and for all. I'll help you, and you'll help me when you have cleaned up your act (to finish this fucking album.))
So, my friends. That's all for today. Thank you and goodbye dear sirs. Howdy.
Name: fezo
book.of.liars
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 03:57:19
Comments:
Geena:
they saw your face: the other people at the bar
book of numbers: remedies contacts
remedies: all that you mentioned and probably more
get out of here: neither bartender or proprietor, my guess is the bar is the favorite haunt of the nararator and he's tired of his girlfriend (about to be ex) embarassing him in front of the regulars
Name: Clas
Black hair?
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 00:45:29
Comments:
Oh Schwinn - these are Dutch uh? Don't like em ol chap. We used to shoot them like rats during the war you see. Hmm... well, we'll see. Darn weather in Brighton today eh?
Name: Clas
Geenas Ciao Papa
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 00:40:23
Comments:
Rose Darling; "...that was a clas-sic job of defending yourself..." Sorry Rose, it wasn't me this time either. I think Kinky is busy imposting me AND YGK these days. MinaH is a man and a regular on this GBook and a real musician, he send me some stuff the other day, Balm Bag (for Pompe) and his music and two hats. Pompe loves to wear the hat.
Kinky; how's my little rich kid from Scarsdale doing?
RubyBaby; how do you DO that?
Geena; my amore, I still love you. I'll write a secret code everytime I post from now on so YOU can see that it's me. Jag älskar dig så jävla mycket!
Name: Chrissy Hindsight
aestheticrebel
Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 at 00:31:01
Comments:
CountZero: Some of us have more important things to do than post on top of our posts because someone hasn't recognized our genius within 30 seconds. I understand totally: It's why I fucked Ray Davies.
As far as my e-mail address goes, why would I comply to the wishes of someone who doesn't even post their own? Here's a quote you should have tatooed wherever your attention is the greatest: "Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb."
Are you trying to defeat the "almost"? No wonder you walk like a cat and tell everyone you're that cat's meow...
Brass on Knuckles,The Adultress
Name: Schwinn
thesporeisonherdresstonight
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 23:51:12
Comments:
Damn I'm proud of you people! Other GBs would KILL for this kind of dialogue if they even KNEW it was possible. Fortunately, few do and that's allright with me, mama....
Fezo: From what I've seen there are NO attorney's fees with SUSAN SARANDON. Look for her small office next to a big MAN'S office. Oh, and it might benefit you to walk on your knees and wear a beany. Missippians LOVE children.
Clas: Your diligence at attempting to understand the meaning of my previous post has earned you a "star removal" from the book of liars over the wind-up sea. Don't thank me. Brenda is a goddess and likes you more than Ming...
Pompe: Please refrain from associating with the Stranger. His cruel and callous disregard for the canine species is the impetus for your chronic "weiner dog" disease. I suggest you steal away with a Chihuahua and learn the art of "less is more".
Dr. Mu: I've always thought DF had more in common with Robert A. Heinlein than anyone else. I mean, "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" pretty much sums up Donald's stretch-pant fetish. On the other hand, "Stranger in a Strange Land" is befitting of the "Count". He would be so much easier to understand if he'd just admit he's descended from the Hellas region of Mars...At least then I'd know to lower my visor before I read his posts.
PETESJAZZ: Funny you should mention Toronto. In a moment of weakness I crashed the gates at a Tragically Hip concert there last spring and still can't get the pepper spray out of my left eye. Yet, even with only one lid open, I still think "Trouble at the Henhouse" is a seriously overlooked CD.
Everyone Else: I love you more than words can skin. Have fun at the Danfest and for God's sake, someone please take a notebook computer to keep us posted of the revellry. And if you see Brenda, STAND BACK AT LEAST 30 FEET! Ming's death-ray remains something to be feared--and Flash is still chillin' in China Grove...
Dealin' Amway Prozac,SEMB
Name: DrMu
whensummer'sgone...it'llbefuckingDecemberhere
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 22:27:34
Comments:
Zeke: Welcome back. Hey that reminds of the summer of '91 when we drove to Destin imbibed, played it that crystal clear water washing on that fine alabaster sand...gettimg ready for the NYR&SR on ABC In Concert...man, I almost peed in my pants when Donald and MM took the stage. gotta second ya on the horns in Florida room. There's a real nice counterplay with the Fender Rhodes!
Countziro: CountZero...while Neuromancer is on backorder. Awesome imagery and a prophetic and hard hitting near-future reality. It's as sharp today as it was in '86 - thanks to you and others for getting me motivated to pick it up after all these years. Gibson and Fagen definitely share a certain style for language. Countzero so far is just a vibrant masterpiece. Dude, you've set the bar awfully high for yourself with that moniker. Better watch out or the prose police will procede to pummel a less than perfect POST.
Name: Geena
going to the chapel in my spangled leather poncho
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 19:06:21
Comments:
YGK: Hmmm…I've never seen porno material posted here and lewd suggestions? Obscene phone calls? I love it when you talk dirty!
Countzir0: not a problem for laughing, I thought it was kind of funny myself. It was just another example of the sick sense of humor some of the Gbers have. I'm pretty easy going and don't get mad so easily, so it didn't bother me, but I just had to add my $0.02 in. Welcome back, I missed you!Mayor Rudy: Saw you on the Today show this morning, nice interview. So you like to dress in drag and sing a sultry "Happy Birthday" a la Marilyn Monroe? Is it true that NYC is now one of the safest cities in the U.S? I'll be home for Christmas!
Clas: your Geena is fine today, how is my Clas? Oh, and careful about the Swedish flag being raised over the U.S. comment babe, Americans are just a wee bit sensitive these days. Ti amo alskar dig mucho!
Oleander: Mr. Geena doesn't want to be the maid of honor, he says he's allergic to chiffon, and Lena doesn't want to be the best man. Back to the drawing board!Mitch: lose AOL and subscribe to Earthlink, no down time, no problems, nice techs
Fezo: I never really liked Marvin , I always thought he had a sleazoid style about him, and he sort of reminded me of a relative of mine. Then, I saw him in concert back in '82 or '83 (I think?) and he completely blew me away. I've loved him ever since.
Rose: I'm going to study Microsoft NT/LAN Administration. The time has come for a serious career change and the need to make more money. I'll send you my tapes on "How to spot and smell a phony post".
I have questions about Black Cow:
They saw your face: who did?
What is the book of numbers: Is this person a bookie, does she play lotto or is she into numerology?
What were the remedies: coke, seconal, speed, vitamins or holistic prescriptions?
Drink your big Black Cow and get out of here: Is he the proprietor of Rudy's or the bartender or both?Pouring myself a Cuban Breeze……more to come
Name: RazorBoy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 15:55:57
Comments:
A SD musical moment - watching a highlight/preview show of the 1998 PGA Open (I'll get a life when the new release is out), and as they were talking about the host golf course in Washington State, they had a musical interlude; the middle of "Do It Again," breaking it off just as DF is about to re enter with the vocals. Timeless, is our lads music, isn't it?
Ruby, what food do you like to be munching on while listening to the the B side of "Katie Lied?"
Name: Zeke
Backfromthedunes
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 15:38:34
Comments:
Just driving in from Destin Fla. It's good to be home. Had a great time. Met some Dan fans. Taught them how to cook Jambalaya!
Drank lots of red wine and listened to Gaucho while cooking.
It's really cool how the beach and the Dan go together.Fezeaux: Great horns on Fla. room. I really dig the bass line on the title track.
John Lee Hooker on the box. Boom Boom.
Late.
Name: Rose Darling
@my cat drinks catnip tea to prevent hairballus uppus
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 15:24:10
Comments:
I must be the only one who has never ever bought that Reeling in the Years is a song to a woman. There is nothing in that song that indicates to me any of the feeling one would have when speaking to a lover. To me, it seems to be the kind of chewing out that I would say myself to a friend whom I have cared for, and stuck with, but whose priorities differ from mine and whose path eventually goes in a different direction than I like and expected.
(And, I don't care what the liner notes said.)rubybaby:
I'll buy that super-abridged. Think I'll also do your upset doggie stomach meal myself for a nite or two (mouth watered when I read it.)Clas: that was a clas-sic job of defending yourself !
And you still didn't tell me who Minah is...does she care that you and Geena are getting married? And when are you sending out the invitations to the GBers?fezo:
How did the meeting with Wu go?Geena: Will you give a "How to Spot Phony Posts" class?
Just let me know the time and place...Myra:
I am NOT having sex with my stepfather because... because... well, I don't HAVE a stepfather !countzirO:
GEEZ, what were you expecting, Walt Whitman?Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentleman sleep all day...
what about a Danfest in Miami? Don't all my fellow Nutmeggers here in the GB wanna get a neat-o tan whilst partaking of the BachDanalian celebration?Great Seinfeld last episode demo script whoever...
Name: PATSJAZZ
PATSJAZZ@aol.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 14:46:57
Comments:
I think that it's great that this sight is about more than just the band itself; it's about every possible peripheral thing that may be associated with the band and it's music. It's fans, the fans lives, the fans dogs, the fans choice of coffee, and when totaled, it adds up to the zeitgeist that makes this page work. With that in mind, let me add one more ingrediant to the mix. There is a band that is a favorite of mine, my wife, and many of our friends, that has not acheived the fan base that it should have over the years. They are called The Pursuit Of Happiness. They have five albums out, and although some of them may currently be out of print, it is sincerly worth the effort to look for any lingering copies. They are a pop/rock band out of Toronto, and have some of the best hooks that I have heard from a new band in years. The lyrics are intelligent and highly insightful, and I can almost guarantee that it would only take one listen to any of the records before you're a new fan.
Why do I bring this up? Because I'm a huge Steely Dan fan, and thought that others might be as interested in new music when something good comes along. The Pursuit Of Happiness. When an animal is near extinction, people rally to save it. Here's a band that could use your help.
PATS JAZZ
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 14:37:45
Comments:
Doc....not ever! Not even if Hell freezes over!
AKA kamfire....squeal for me......Squeal.....SQUEAL!!!!!
Goober says he'd love to play "Dueling Banjos" for you if you'll come south of that Manson-Nixon line. *hehehe*
Name: KidCharlemagne
get@long
Location: Norfolk, VA
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 13:39:30
Comments:
yo, A.K.A. kamfire: don't rag on the South like that. friendlier people and more beautiful scenery cannot be found in any other region. as many of you will see upon arrival in Va Beach.
for that matter, this area isn't really the authentic Deep South of lore -- it's far too metropolitan and modern for that.Hoops: ya just had to work in David Foster Wallace, didn't ya, just to seem the sophisticate. actually, I think the reference was probably *too* subtle for everybody but me, 'cus I know you.
Hoops was talking about Infinite Jest, one of the best novels ever written. Anyone else a DFW fan?
Name: You said it
allinanutshell
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 12:38:07
Comments:
YGK- Right on bro! That's what I've been trying to figure out.
Name: Hoops McCan
alyosha@yahoo.com
Location: Oakland, CA US
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 12:03:42
Comments:
About Black Cow, Kid:
A striking analysis. It does not seem an unreasonable inference that the song perhaps is about both boredom and addiction. A man (a very mysterious red bandana-ed man) once wrote a very addicting book on similar subjects. Something about Infinity. The book I speak of, of course, was unneccesary, due to repitiveness. The Dan said it all.
In this way, they are the center of the canon.
Talk to you soon. Oakland is soon to be a thing of the past.
Name: fezo
a.blind.admirer
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 12:02:40
Comments:
Ruby: So what Marvin did you find in the bargain bin? I picked up "Here My Dear" many years ago for like four bucks in such a bin. Great story behind that double album. As part of his divorce from the daughter of Motown founder Barry Gordy, the judge ordered Marvin to give the profits from his next two albums to his ex. Soon thereafter he released "Here My Dear". It's kinda of a mixed bag musically, not as misognystic as the title might seem to indicate, includes a real plaintive song about the pain of a broken relationship "When Did You Stop Loving Me?" but has some goof material as well, even one song where Marvin continually chants "Why Do I Have To Pay Attorney Fees?"
Count0: i was just yanking your chain about "Kamakariad". I knew what you meant about "Trans Island". The song I can't figure is "Florida Room". It starts pretty interestingly musically and lyrically but then quick deteriorates into just a repeat of the same chorus over and over and over again. A lot of it seems like filler.
Name: YGK
..
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 11:40:59
Comments:
*smirk*
Name: Clas
Geena's bandalahooe blooey!
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 11:32:50
Comments:
YGK- Don't make me sick Pompe on you. I will swim across the Atlantic on Pompe's back to marry Geena, go to Danfest, and to sick Pompe on you. He will bite you to death, and eat the American flag. Pompe will then raise the flag of Sweden over New York.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY, A Wonderful Town ...and it's not Sweden
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 11:20:16
Comments:
and c'mon, do we really want to raise the rally flag of a certain alleged swede, who posts pornographic material, makes lewd suggestions, and writes incessantly about his dogs genitals? harrasses women on the GB with phone calls? I mean, whoever is clas(less)' imposter, I have to wonder, were all his other posts imposters, and this is real? or vice-versa?
I can't understand the blind admiration.
Name: Babs
CA
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 11:13:24
Comments:
I would propose west of the Mississippi - better yet, west of the Rockies. That way I could make it.
Name: YGK
..
Location: New York, NY
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 11:10:33
Comments:
I would simply propose - north of the Mason/Dixon Line - a Danfest in the Big Apple.
I mean, yes, the Damned were here, but, due to the crowd, all the web people didn't get to chat a bit, and a Danfest would remedy that....
comments?
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 10:45:06
Comments:
Howdy, Dave! Ya know, I've been wondering about the new country/with a gun cover thing, too..... (5 dots for Clas)
Midnite: Does that mean you're throwing the copies away?
Everybody else: Do you think it would be a good idea for a Danfest to be held in a central location?
Where's Dorothy? or did I shut her up?
Name: rubybaby
jump right in
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 10:26:14
Comments:
Clas: I poke my head in here most days. Must I make noise every time I do? Oh - here's my trusty canine upset-tummy fixer:
Boiled chicken & rice for a week. Then wean him off slowly to his regular food. Yes, the cat will be jealous. I think you & Geena had better wait to get married until he's better.
Can I bake the cake?RoseDarling: I was thinking
Charlie Freak = becoming less selfish (very abridged)Edd: Felize x2Cupleanos! Who would you like to jump out of your cake? Note: If you don't choose, we will appoint someon
And how did you get away with no e-mail address?fezo: I was in a Motown mood the other day. I found a great Marvin on the bargain table at Tower. He must have called out to me, because I hate the Tower where I live. It's dark & creepy. But I was brave & now I treasure my find. You can tell by listening which songs he wrote, can't you?
MyraEyeful: Yes, God bless you for what you have chosen to do.
Do you ever get a break from that, as a rotation, so to speak? Just wondering... oh yeah, and when you see Oleander's terrific web site, don't make the same mistake I did, by saying, "What a cool doggie!" You'll understand when you get there...rb
Name: That fifth name(A.K.A. kamfire)
Ontheave@radiocity
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 10:13:31
Comments:
Does anyone know if that Steely Damned concert may be re-broadcast? Regrettfully I inadvertanly missed it. St AL thanks for the line on the Danfest, however I recently received an e-mail pertaining to the top 39 things you will never hear a Southerner say, and horrible thoughts of Deliverence began to surface. How about a 'fest North of the Mason-Dixon Line disguised as an album release party to signify, well the new release, whenever it shall come into existence.
Name: Seinfeld
@ last episode demo script
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 09:15:55
Comments:
Seinfeld: "You know George....Steely Dan is working on a new album.."
George:"Who!...didn't they break up and move to Hawaii or something???"
Seinfeld:"You know George...you really should get out more, maybe make a trip to the CD store, there's been a lot of new stuff out since ELO broke up.."
George:"ELO broke up!"enter Kramer
"Hey Jerry...did you hear Steeleye Span has a new album coming out? whoa!"
Name: Steve V. Dan w/ coffee (non-decaf)
Up on the Hill (in Berkeley)
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 09:10:26
Comments:
Welcome David!
how is the sun down Florida way??
did you know both Buffet and the 'Dan were signed to ABC Records around the same time, and both recorded a song called 'Dallas'?
Jim Croce was also on the label that year too....25 years ago!
Let's see 25 years ago:Watergate....Tug McGraw..."the energy crisis".....streakers.....nickel bags....and oh yeah;;STeeely Dannnn live on 'Midnite Special!
oh and D. don't mind all the weird posts about Clas and his pets (he's in therapy)........and I am just a coffee fiend let loose in coffee shop heaven (i.e. the SF Bay Area).......yadah. yadah, yadah...
Name: David J. Moore
dmoore113@aol.com
Location: Port Charlotte, FL. USA
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 08:12:51
Comments:
I saw the first incarnation in 72' on "don kirschner's rock concert" while living in San Diego...got hooked bad! I've been a full time musician since I was 12 yrs old...43 now and still delighting listeners with Steely Dan songs. been solo with my drums, guitar and laptop(midi) for 10 years now.But that hasn't stopped me from doin' the Dan.. from reelin' to deacon yeah even ruby and tomorrows girls...I still love it and always await the latest!....Got to see them twice! Down here in southwest Florida I
give them a bit of Buffet..some spyro gyra then whack em' with some Dan and I always see some faces light up (any major dude
kills em')......so happy to have found this site! I feel better now! My wife and I both are dan freaks (that's why I married her!)
p.s. when is one of those "new country yo yo's" gonna cover "with a gun" maybe travis twitt? thanks for the vent ....david
Name: U-Tern Laverne
MSFrogz@aol.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 07:51:22
Comments:
FloraDroom: No, wait until your ass starts to feel like it has a cork in it, and then go home.
Name: Flora Droom
anywherebuthere
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 07:16:37
Comments:
My nose won't stop running and my head feels like a vacuum cleaner. Is it time to go home yet?
Name: countzir0
I Need my coffee, Brenda
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 07:10:33
Comments:
Rose: I enjoyed your poem, but, to be honest(and not to hurt your feelings), stick to the day job. Once again, that was very cute, though.
Clas: I didn't think you would say something like that to Geena, but the person who posted that did such a good job of impersonating you. I must admit, it was pretty funny when I read it. I had to read it a couple of times to make sure it really said what it said...... now you said five then you put a "5" after that and then you did "......" after that. You seem confused, Clas.
Geena: Sorry for laughing at Clas imposter's post.
Ole: No, it wasn't you?
Roy and Fezo: I didn't say that the song sucks or anything. I truly dig all of Kamakiriad, it has great lyrics and music, etc. I've just always had an aversion to decaf for some reason, and I tend to drive extremely fast also(maybe there's a connection between caffeinated coffee and fast driving, I don't know). In Dallas, you have to drive to get anywhere, and that's where I usually jam to SD. The "it's not a freeway bullet" line just doesn't go along with my persona. Did happen to dig on the interp., tho. Quite Gibsonian to some degree.
Dr. Mu: Speaking of Gib., glad to hear you're reading him now. Which one/s have you read so far?
Mayor Rudy: Saw the news program about your city last nite. Better take care of those rats on 109th. It's giving you and NY a bad name.
Name: Big Fan
halfday@today
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 06:55:48
Comments:
Happy Birthday Edd!
My son's is today also.
You know what they say about Leo's
Name: Edd
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 06:45:50
Comments:
Happy birthday to me...
x2C
Edd
Name: Big Fan
here@westernworld.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 05:25:34
Comments:
Danfesters: Have a good one! Don't fall off the pier.
Pete: Sounds like you found that former assitant recording engineer who worked for MCA in the late 70's. Why do these technical problems seem to haunt everything Dan?
Name: Clas
Geenas ovunque
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 at 00:36:28
Comments:
Fezo; thanx. Also cool analysis. Less is Roger more.
CountzirO; yes, it was sick but it wasn't me.
Oleander; yeah! Good idea! Wanne come?
Geena; my lovebird! How are you today my sweetie?
Lisa; where are you?
Ruby; where are YOU?
HOT NEWS!
Hornsbys next is a double!
Name: DrMu
backatthewheel
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 21:40:55
Comments:
Roy:
* His life flashing before him-- Maybe the Sprangles
represent some cerebral memory landscape.Yes, yes, yes, that could fit...a guy takes his new car out...is involved in a terrible wreck...the guy on the side of the road IS him. He is semi-unconscious to unconscious as his scrambled neural net goes through a series of uneasy dreams/nightmares set in a bizzaro near-future world of Gibson-like proportions (I'm finally starting thanks to you all to read his stuff - superswell stuff!) as pieces of his life, ideas, and experiences tumble into the soup. That could be why Kama's soundscape has that uneasy, surreal edginess on top of it's R&B grooves with the jazz decorations. and check out the artwork...Is that some kind of weird Jules Verne looking lithograph stuff?. At the end, maybe he comes out of the semi-coma during Teahouse.
Name: Myra Eyefull
stupid
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 20:46:50
Comments:
Oh shit, I hate this computer. Sorry for double posting.
Name: Myra Eyefull
laughingontheinside
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 20:45:03
Comments:
Stranger: My husband thanks you for saying what you said. Are you
really the Stranger or has my honey invaded your body.
Really, I may sound serious all the time but in my line of work, we are just a bunch of sick puppies (and I don't mean Great Danes with sore dicks) who find humor in the worst of situations.
We talk like sailors and make fun of all forms of human misery just to keep what little sanity we have. So believe it or not, I'm chilling right now, except I'm on call tonight and my adrenalin is ready to kick in when it is needed.Since I'm new to SD, it helps me to appreciate their writings if I sort thru their lyrics and try to relate them to something I understand.
Hey, I'm sick of all this psycho-babble. I liked it better when you talked dirty to me!
Oleander: I plan to review your web site. I have it as one of our favorite places at home but I did not have it set up at work. I look foward to comparing notes with you at the Danfest. Don't test me, however, I'm new to SD.
Name: Myra Eyefull
laughingontheinside
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 20:44:13
Comments:
Stranger: My husband thanks you for saying what you said. Are you
really the Stranger or has my honey invaded your body.
Really, I may sound serious all the time but in my line of work, we are just a bunch of sick puppies (and I don't mean Great Danes with sore dicks) who find humor in the worst of situations.
We talk like sailors and make fun of all forms of human misery just to keep what little sanity we have. So believe it or not, I'm chilling right now, except I'm on call tonight and my adrenalin is ready to kick in when it is needed.Since I'm new to SD, it helps me to appreciate their writings if I sort thru their lyrics and try to relate them to something I understand.
Hey, I'm sick of all this psycho-babble. I liked it better when you talked dirty to me!
Oleander: I plan to review your web site. I have it as one of our favorite places at home but I did not have it set up at work. I look foward to comparing notes with you at the Danfest. Don't test me, however, I'm new to SD.
Name: oleander
helloooo Kinky!
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 19:50:44
Comments:
Clas--Uh, who'll be the best man & maid-of-honor? Your respective spouses?
Roy--You continue to be The Man. Too much.
Pete--just say when. You want a few of us should have a talk with this guy?
Stranger--thanx for the tips. Saw the NYT review. Think I'll skip that one.
Luckless--Yeah, I used to use LePage's Mucilage, in that little bottle with the rubber top that always used to crack and spill glue all over my paper.... Uh, what were we talking about?
Mitch--Fucking AOL! That's why I left it! Try http://earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
maj--hey daddy-o! Babies are a lot of work, eh? How's your little boy? Visited the page but no update--can't imagine why!!
Schwinn--Those SSRI's are not improving your cogency yet, but they are doing wonders for Brenda. LOVE "The Moviegoer." So--you on for the Fest?
Count0--yours?
Myra--I just let "Rose" wash over me and remember the classic GB exchange--quoted on my page--I don't think it's toppable. You know, despite his largesse, I rank Mr. Starr a little lower than Mr. LaPage & the guy in EYD. He'd better keep his ass out of the Duck In.
Mock--Ooh! very interesting. You guys are making my job very difficult & time-consuming. (MORE! MORE!)
fezo--brevity is indeed the soul of wit.
Name: Mr. LaPage
I never Muuuuu
Location: you,
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 19:47:41
Comments:
Dr. Mu-how did you know that was me in EYD? PEDOPHILE=FUTURE RAPIST
Everyone else--stop talking about me: you're as sick as I am. I'm a pedophile. Period. CASE CLOSED.
Name: COBRA GUNNRUNNER
@vipersarecooltoo
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 17:18:13
Comments:
Men have died just to keep it alive
they call it, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Steely Dan uses it well.
Name: TheStranger
it's too hot in l.a. today
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 17:04:40
Comments:
myra eyefull,
i don't see anything in rose darling about stepfather-stepdaughter. i just see a guy with snake mary who would rather get it on with rose darling. my one word tag for this song: longing. i seem to recall you work with abused kids & i think that's really God's work. but don't assume everybody's an asshole just cause you see a lot of asshole parents. it's like reading a newspaper and thinking it represents life. it's just about the freak show at the edge of life. relax. there are decent people out there. i've hardly ever been in jail even.fezo,
while i keep reminding everybody not to get too clinical in lyric analysis, i am probably guilty myself sometimes. anyway, i like your one-word-tag approach. but that's just my opinion. i could be wrong.
Name: Steve V.
August birthdays contd.
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 16:09:49
Comments:
Almost forgot:
Happy Birthday Pat Metheny (#44)!!!!!!!
and August Darnell (aka Kid Creole...aka Dr. Savanah) a Bronx native!
Name: Steve V. O'Dan
in earthquake weather
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 16:05:49
Comments:
re: lyric interpretation' s contd. (or why is this group so fucking interesting?!!??)
Reeling In the Years- A "Fagen" track:
1st verse "You're everlasting summer...." written to his girlfriend Dotty White
"you been telling me you're a genius, since you were 17, in all the time I've known you , I still don't know what you mean" -written to Becker
3rd verse - "I've spent a lot of money and a lot of time...." -to his girlfriend.....
and note the term "reeling"..as in "Everyones Gone To The Movies" reeling???........drinking coffee (NOT decaf! the real friggin' stuff + hot weather= disjointed posts...like this.....yadah, yadah, yadah.......(Is Fagen a Met fan or Yankee fan????)
Name: fezo
we.don't.have.to.escalate
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:56:53
Comments:
Life is good. After 41 days in the shop, the CD player is finally fixed and on the same day that the latest mailing from the record club arrived, "What's Going On".
KidC: you got a point about "Black Cow" I got to confess my take on it is somewhat biased. It's always reminded me of the feeling I developed in an old relationship with a woman who was otherwise perfect except for being a drama queen and a tranq addict. I got so bored with the daily traumas.
Eventually I literally did say "get out of here"
God, Marvin rules.
Name: Kinky
there's a hole in the ground
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:52:38
Comments:
Pete - Yeah, I'll buy that Steely Damned tape. In 2004, I'll sell it to Q as "1998 Steely Dan Tour Rehearsals".
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:27:06
Comments:
Perseid meteor shower peaks tonight folks. Moon rise is about 11:30pm your local time so if it's clear go out and face north-east and look high up in the sky. After the Moon rises it'll wash out all but the brightest ones. Hope you get to enjoy some of the show.
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:23:33
Comments:
Pete....thanks for the update, looking forward to hearing the show. Besides the Real Audio webcast, are you guys planning on selling any recordings? Any legal hassles with that?
Name: Rose Darling
Gataguapa@aol.com
Spit drooling morons of the world unite !
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:19:32
Comments:
Say what you want about fiction or quasi-fiction, but leave Susan Sarandon out of it ! Dammit, Janet ! I think she's a wonderfully talented Libra (like me.)
Sundaram: Glad to see someone has grasped that Eric Clapton is NOT God.
Mitch: Personally, I happen to dig the Boston Rag myself.
Wecome back, countzirO.
By coming back, you did relieve
How you were missed on your reprieve.
Though I had much to do, other than grieve
Still I wondered what was up your sleeve...fezo: A little concise is nice. May I add to your abridged list of Dan song analysis?
Deacon Blues: aimlessness
Any World (that I'm welcome to): alienation
Charlie Freak: sad sack of a life, like Eleanor Rigby
Midnite Cruiser: reminiscing
Chain Lightning: belongingGeena:
The rather Libran DF quote that I identify with from B. Sweet's book is: "I always seem to see both sides of things simultaneously, for which reason I never have an opinion about anything." p. 89
What will you be studying at school? I'm never going back to my old school.
Name: Myra Eyefull
readingintothings
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 15:15:52
Comments:
Well, what is one's interpretation of "Rose Darling"? My take on it is that stepdaddy is trying to get it on with his wife's daughter. I'm curious as to what he means when he says"You must know it's right the spore is on the wind tonight; You won't feel it till it grows." Does he want to get her pregnant?
Name: Mock Turtle
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 14:23:58
Comments:
Re EGTTM:
I have always interpreted Mr. LaPage as a full-blown child molester. Are you sure it's "soon you will be eighteen," and not "soon you will be a teen"? Also, the "sixteen or more" fits in with this; while most people are attracted to people 16+, LaPage goes for eight-year-olds.
Well, this is how I've always thought of the song.
Name: Return to Schinda
another
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 13:43:02
Comments:
Kid Charlemagne Yeah, a Black Cow sounds hardcore next to a Cuban Breeze. I dont even know what a Cuban Breeze is. But id rather have it than milk and coke. Thank you for letting us know the lyrics to the song to.
Name: Myra Eyefull
ijustamazemyself
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 13:32:36
Comments:
Roy Scam: Today is Mark Knopfler's B-day. He was born in 1949. He's almost as old as you, poor boy!
Myra
Name: KidCharlemagne
get@long
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 13:08:27
Comments:
Fezo:
I like the concise analyses, but one of them's way off. Black Cow is most definitely about addiction, not boredom. One particular addict, actually. Allow me to copy-and-paste verse one, from elsewhere UBT:
In the corner of my eye, I saw you in Rudy's
You were very high
You were high,
It was a cryin' disgrace, They saw your face
On the counter, by your keys,
Was a book of numbers, and your remedies
One of these, surely will screen out the sorrow
But where are you tomorrowalso note the narrator's generally disappointed, shaming tone throughout the song -- "I don't care anymore, why you run around ... Drink your big black cow and get out of here." seems like he's just fed up with her habit(s) and her sloth.
besides, doesn't a Black Cow sound like much more of a hard-core beverage than, say, a Cuban Breeze? Gretchen?then again, I suppose it could be an addiction *brought on* by boredom...
Name: Pete
oops
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 12:38:24
Comments:
Sorry about that
Name: Pete
petefogel@asan.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 12:36:52
Comments:
Hi, I'm having one hell of a time trying to pry those CD's of The Steely Damned at Le Bar Bat out of my crazy French soundman's hands. The guy is completely out of his mind. I think my mistake was when he asked me if Walter or Donald might hear it over the internet, and I told him there was a chance of that. Knowing this, he refuses to give them to me until they are up to his standards (the band and I thought they sounded great when he played them 5 minutes after the show ended). He doesn't realize that people are more interested in the band than his mix and that the quality won't be good on Real Audio anyway. Just to show you how screwed up this guy is -- I had told him I wanted the CD's within a week of the show and he came back two days later and told me they had all been stolen. So we actually had about a week of thinking no one would ever get to hear them again. I was pretty sure they weren't stolen and had to find a way to trick him into "finding" them. To make a long story short, and after telling him how upset everyone was didn't work, I lied and told him that the guy that was trying to do the webcast had actually recorded most of the show. I also told him that we were going to broadcast this poor quality tape over the internet. Just as I expected, about 10 minutes later the CD's mysteriously reappeared. Like I said this guy is nuts, so I figure I'll give him all the time he wants as long as I eventually do get them. The latest is that he'll give them to me this Sunday, but he said the same thing about last Sunday, so I'll believe it when I see it. As soon as I have them in my hands, I'll set a date.
Name: Pete
petefogel@asan.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 12:36:49
Comments:
Hi, I'm having one hell of a time trying to pry those CD's of The Steely Damned at Le Bar Bat out of my crazy French soundman's hands. The guy is completely out of his mind. I think my mistake was when he asked me if Walter or Donald might hear it over the internet, and I told him there was a chance of that. Knowing this, he refuses to give them to me until they are up to his standards (the band and I thought they sounded great when he played them 5 minutes after the show ended). He doesn't realize that people are more interested in the band than his mix and that the quality won't be good on Real Audio anyway. Just to show you how screwed up this guy is -- I had told him I wanted the CD's within a week of the show and he came back two days later and told me they had all been stolen. So we actually had about a week of thinking no one would ever get to hear them again. I was pretty sure they weren't stolen and had to find a way to trick him into "finding" them. To make a long story short, and after telling him how upse
Name: Sundaram
sundaram_rm@hotmail.com
Location: Austin, TX
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 11:50:32
Comments:
Steely Dan = GOD.
Name: Geena
somejustnevergrowup
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 11:48:12
Comments:
Clas Imposter: I think you're looking for the pre-pubescent guestbook, why don't you ask your mommy how to find it.
Clas: fear not my love, I can spot a phony post right away.
Name: Roy.Scam
next.stop....willoughbee
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 11:35:27
Comments:
DB: The Steely Dan/ Chieftains common link to which I referred was Mark Knopfler. He performed briefly on one album for each group. I guess that would link those groups with Chet Atkins also.
Count0: Whenever I hear "Trans Island Skyway" recently, I'm reminded of the old Twilight Zone episode where a woman (I think Inger Stevens) was driving across country and kept seeing the same hitchhiker repeatedly. She finally got rattled and called back east to her home,...only to find out that she had died three days earlier. WOOOOO-EEEEEE-OOOOOO (Scary movie music).
Consider the possible 'passing away' references in this apparently benign song:
* I was born yesterday-- We all know that those not busy being born are busy dying.
* "Trans-Island Skyway"-- The passage from one island to another is an excellent spiritual/existential metaphor.
* A bloody car wreck-- A great way to die, I'm sure you'll agree.
* The kid who was driving I know from somewhere-- Might even be myself.
* The beautiful angel (Snakehips) to soften the transition-- Remember the Jessica Lange character in "All That Jazz"?
* Re-united with loved ones from the past-- Notice that he says "Hello Daddy", like a child might.
* His life flashing before him-- Maybe the Sprangles represent some cerebral memory landscape.
* Simultaneous calmness and dread-- "I'm happy but this route could be trouble."
* Steaming "up" the TI Skyway -- Not 'down', not 'along', but 'up'.
* That final deadline-- What else could that be? What's the origin of the word "deadline" anyway? Seems like a rather morbid compound word to convey a point on a schedule.
I'd say the underlying theme of this song is about as un-wimpy as they come. But then, I'm capable of large amounts of non-productive thought that often ends up 180 degrees from correct.RS
Name: Countzir0
Just the Flipside of a Tao-wnload
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 11:00:20
Comments:
Fezo: OK, say it IS the Holy Grail, just make sure it's not filled up with decaf. Make it Red Stripe, or Cuervo, or Cuban Breeze, but NOT decaf!!
that was pretty sick, Clas..........
Name: Charlie Freak
sindreandersen
Location: Fredrikstad, Østfold Norway
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 10:37:48
Comments:
Only a fool would do that....
Name: fezo
i'll.stain.no.dresses.before. their.time
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 09:17:19
Comments:
Count0: leave Kamakiriad alone. it's the holy grail
Clas: Sarandon in "The Client" was not an ambulance chaser. She had a domestic relations practice.
Ken Starr doesn't have the balls to plant bugs. He just relies on chickenshit subpoenas to haul you before a grand jury and then tries to trap/trick you into perjury.
Abridged song analysis:
Western World: escape
Hey Nineteen: lost youth
Black Cow: boredom
Deacon Blues: risk
Name: Clas
Geenas stimolare
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 09:07:55
Comments:
Schwinn, I got it!
The North Delta Planning and Development District (NDPDD) includes an area of Northwest Mississippi in areas of Panola, Quitman and Tallahatchie counties. The area comprises one of the most depressed areas of the country.
The plan's general vision links economic, human, physical, community development and other activities in a reinforcing manner. Goals and strategies are succinct and well integrated in a very comprehensive approach. The plan includes 25 Action Items of the application.
Community effort was generated from a grassroots level. The main focus is to develop good houses, good jobs, adequate health care and well-educated people who may be productive citizens enjoying the rich cultural heritage of the Delta. They have formed partnerships to improve housing, child care, expansion of youth programs, public safety, education, job skills training, public utilities, transportation and the financial lures necessary to preserve, expand and attract small and large industries. The vision is to provide the vibrancy and energy to fashion a "new South" as culturally rich as the "Old."
Name: l tripp
just like who?
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:53:41
Comments:
hi danfesters, i'll be your waitress. do you mind speaking into my padded bra?
Name: k starr
testing, 1, 2, 3
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:51:15
Comments:
dear danfesters,
just go on about your business. i give my pledge as an attorney to refrain from using the electronic recording devices my enemies claim have been planted all over virginia beach in preparation for your arrival.
Name: Steve V Dan whatever
California@tumbles into the sea
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:50:15
Comments:
Hey we had a tumbler (i.e. a rolling earthquake at 7:10 am...and it was on the San Andreas fault! (oh shit)!.........
everthing is fine (although scary memories of 10/17/89) were revived....
"that'll be the day I go back to Annandale,
tried to warn you about chino and Daddy G. (G.Gordon Liddy?)
but I can't seem to get to you through the US MAil..."c.1973 Fagen/Becker all rights reserved
Name: Clas
Geena is my bagel
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:41:22
Comments:
Geena, when we get married, can I bring Pompe to join us on our honeymoon? You can have us both, now that Pompes penis is better!
Name: Clas
Geena is my bocciole
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:17:57
Comments:
countzir0; I am warning you, five dots, not three or six or seven. Five. 5...... got it?
Name: Clas
Geena is my padrona
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:13:26
Comments:
Schwinn; "The world as we know it would be FUCKED if not for down-home Mississippi attorneys like SUSAN SARANDON"
Can one say that this Sarandon in question is a ambulance-chaser? And why the hell ('scuse the language) are they calling it DELTA down in the state of Mississippi? It's fucking cornfields for crying it out loud!
Hell, now I'm pissed again. I get back to you on this one Schwinn, and believe me, I'm gonna figure it out. Bye the way, Pompe says hallo.
Name: countzir0
On the Upside of a Download
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:13:05
Comments:
Sizzle, sizzle, crackle(early morning flames)--too much coffee, Brenda? I do agree, that was pretty wierd, though.
Rose D.--I'm still here, "out of Tao-wn"--that's cute, btw. No, just decided to take a short reprieve, also, have been very busy working on getting a new job, etc. How've things been?
Clas--Do you have a picture of Pompe that's posted on the web somewhere? And where did you come up with his name? He sounds like an interesting dog.... hey I just did FOUR dots..... now it's five......six.......
Everybody: I was listening to "Trans-Island Skyway" yesterday, and realized that, boy, that's a wimpy song. It's not a freeway bullet and pour some decaf?? This guy sounds like my dad, except Dad still drinks caffeinated coffee. Oh, and don't worry about Tomorrow's Girl, she was never real anyway--Just a figment of someone's imagination.
Name: Clas
geenas sockergris (sugarpig)
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 08:03:15
Comments:
BRENDA!
Hi! My name is Clas and I have a dog (his name is Pompe (he's a Great Dane (a great Dan-fan as well (a Steely Dane)))) He is home now, sittin' with MinaHs hat on his head and watching CNN.
Dear Sirs;
I have a lot of things to do so this have to be a very, very, very short post. All I really wanne say is that Steely Dan has slipped my mind the last few days. -How come?, can one ask, wich I think is a relevant question now when it's August, hot, rainy, cloudy und so weiter. But, this I might add in order to keep a clear perspectiwe on things, life is great! Geena loves me, so what else could it be? Geena + Clas are going to Marthas Vineyard to get married! We're taking the ferry from Boston one of these hot summer nights. Olamahoa!
Geena - I'm your sposo for ever and ever my darling dear!
Name: Return to Brenda
halfpastming
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 00:28:25
Comments:
Schwinnster
I've always had difficulty understanding your posts and your latest is no exception. Why can't you analyze SD's songs in the traditional manner? i.e., define the lyrics three different ways so no one will think you're touting any particular coda?
Assuming that your last post was intended to shed some light on "Everyone's Gone to the Movies", here's how I think you should have posted for the sake of clarity:
"The last time I went to "The Movies" I fell asleep, missed everything, woke up with canola oil on my shirt and sent AMC my dry cleaning bill."
Think about it, big guy. The more you think the less we have to.
Learning to Twitch My Nose,Brenda
Name: Schwinn
eastofeden
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 at 00:05:49
Comments:
Man, I LOVE movie-time! Makes HBO look like a bargain. AND IT IS from what I'm seeing on the GB...
But let's put this in perspective. A Danielle Steele paperback will set you back $7.00. (Not including the SPF 40 and Las Vegas 3 day, 2 night vacation package--a $249.00 value PLUS bonus discount booklet!)
Likewise for both Stephen "AC/DC" King's latest anti-SAT tribute and John Grisham's recent ,"The world as we know it would be FUCKED if not for down-home Mississippi attorneys like SUSAN SARANDON", paperback.
So I guess it makes more sense to GO TO THE MOVIES and get it over with in 2 hours than SUBJUGATE your intelligence to the aforementioned HACKS for several sunny afternoons by the pool.
But then again, the hefty feel of 400 + pages always makes me think "American Classic" when I know darn good and well that everything I really need to know is in "The Moviegoer" by Walker Percy.
I love these post-beat pragmaticists. Especially when they make it into curriculum before they debut in a THEATRE NEAR YOU.
My First Experience with a Serotonin Modifier,SEMB
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 23:17:45
Comments:
Hey all. Been a while. Up feeding the baby now and had time to scroll and catch up. Ironic that there's some posts about Monkey in Your Soul. It's vaulted to the top of my list of "closet classics", rare gems, forgotten disphoric ditties.......
I dig the pacing, the rhythm, the lefty-righty Donald is laying down. Textbook Dan. Plus a funky bass line with a tone not heard on any other Dan songs.
During these dry, hot new-Dan-less days, it's all I can do to stay amused until the *NEW ONE*.
Whats more, I gave my copy of Whack to my neighbor. She's getting divorced and I knew she'd be ripe for it. It helps if you're whacked when listening to Whack.
maj©
Name: Mark Seader
MSAJA19
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 22:31:20
Comments:
Dan Rules!!!
Glad to see web sites devoted to the greatest band ever!!!
Name: Elaine
@Jerry's apt again & again
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 21:59:02
Comments:
To the PatYouCouldBeRight person: LMAOHard push backwards
"Get OUT!"
Name: mitch
mcharl6651@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 21:31:45
Comments:
Oleander, AOLcouldn`t find the host earthlink.net`oleander1/index.htm Mitch
Name: Second Shooter
Cumspiracy Theory
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 20:35:00
Comments:
Lets look down the road a ways, the President hit , but still standing. Monica does a book , script , interview , etc etc and becomes wealthy over a blowjob.... only in America !
Name: oleander
with my address pinned to my jacket
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 20:33:29
Comments:
I swear it was just a slip of the finger: http://earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
Name: oleander
the world is full of ugly things that you can't change
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 20:30:42
Comments:
Ruby--Here's to your extreme guts for telling about your experience. Girlfriend, I'm so thankful that you got out intact. All those things are aspects of abusers I know of too, but I'm at a remove you weren't. I may be being tough on the guy in EYD, but sometimes that's what it takes.
Myra--Wow. Perhaps I was being too charitable with Mr. LaPage. I thought he was aiming at a slightly older age group, especially with the line "soon you will be eighteen," but otherwise your take fits perfectly and creepily. This is the sort of person who elicits an uncharacteristically violent response in me. You can tell your husband that he's ALL WET.
Rose--I'm a doctor--not necessarily someone you might expect to have any particular sensitivity for abuse detection, but I think if you give people half a listen and know some of the cues and cover-ups it's the old iceberg situation. In fact, today at work I saw two women who have been abuse victims. There's a lot of it in my population.
Lost--OK, shameless self-promotion: http://earthlink.net/~oleander1/index.htm Please visit & send stuff.
Kid C--Yes, I have my tattered little notebook too, but it's a study in anarchy rather than creativity. I've also got a Yale connection which I'll e you about.
St. Al--I second that emotion! I'll be warming up a bench at 5! How about if co-conspirators call Steely Central earlier in the day if they want to get together pre-Main Event?
Dear Stranger & 5 Names--So good; you're the pride of the neighborhood. You've given me my aphorisms of the week.
Name: Mitch
R@ggin It
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 20:22:10
Comments:
The Boston Rag is not even fuckin close to the worst SD ever made. What about the killer guitar halfway into it? P.S. i`ll be raggin it , if i can`t make it to the Danfesta in VB...
Name: FiveNames
On the counter
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 18:59:13
Comments:
Well, upon perusing the lyrics once again, I must concede that the overtones of "EGTTM" really are as sick as everyone else already surmised. Please excuse my naivete' but I'm just a spit-drooling moron from the Midwest. Besides, I've always been more of a Danatic for the arrangements than the lyrics anyway, though my attempts to decipher them seem to tell me more about myself than about the lyrics, as interpretation is always a slave to perception.
Speaking of arrangements, did anyone ever answer the previous posting re: Where/how can we, the Great Unwashed, get a listen to "The Second Arrangement"?
And, forgive me if I'm going over previously-discussed material here, but whatever happened with the tapes of the Damned concert at LBB? Are we/did we ever get a chance to listen to them? Can someone fill me in? Hep me, hep me please.
Also, why is it that, of all the songs on "Gaucho", I liked "My Rival" least, yet it's always the one that pops into my head? Why is that? Am I going mad? And why are all these tarantulas on this keyboard?
Name: Pat you could be right!
@oh mama
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 18:53:57
Comments:
Let's pretend Starr was asking this question,"Did you have sex
with Monica Lewinsky and why?", to the men of Seinfeld.
Jerry:She promised me an Armani suit, so I gave her dinner.
Morty:Yes, and when my pants were off, she stole my wallet!
George:Never happened, I was swimming that day.
Frank Costanza:What are you crazy, HAVE YOU SEEN MRS.COSTANZA!
Newman:Yup,I thought it was BABS.
Mr.Pitt:Bitch spilled on my socks.
Crazy Joe Davola:Yeah,I was dressed up like a clown,she thought I
was Clinton.
Poppie:Yes,and she didn't even wash her hands.
Bania:Yes,but that didn't count,I was over there at lunch time.
J.Peterman:No Way,I knew she was a clothed naked native of Bantu
Besh,a yam yam dabbler.
Uncle Leo:No,I found a blouse in the trash,thought it might be
worth something.
Mickey:I don't know,she sucked the hell out of my nose,though.
Putty:Yeah,that's right.
Kramer:well..ah..she promised me a box of cubans..and..uh..well..
I've always said let them do all the work..so I told her.........
geddy yup.
Name: Geena
Clas' Geena
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 18:40:55
Comments:
Clas: How is Pompe feeling today? Would you like to take the ferry to Martha's Vineyard with me sometime? I'll show you where I think Carly lives.
I'm being very patient sweetheart, very patient, I know you've got a lot of work to do. Ti amo!
Stranger: When I said I wanted to submit your quote to the company that makes dayplanners, I just meant that I enjoyed reading what you wrote. I was complimenting you and nothing more.
Saving Pompe: I don't think Clas would give his dog anything that would harm him. Clas is also an animal lover and Pompe is his true companion. I believe Clas would crawl through a river of broken glass than to hurt him.
DB: Sorry, couldn't help recalling the bathroom scene, eeyechhh! I guess I'll have to forget Des now since I'm not interested in Homer Simpsonesque type men.
Rose D: I'm starting school this fall which will probably take up a lot of my time already allotted for other things, but you can bet that I'll still find time to post here. Some priorities just take precedence, don't you agree?
the thunder and lightening is here, time to say goodbye!
Name: PATSJAZZ
PATSJAZZ@AOL.COM
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 17:53:11
Comments:
The subject of Monica Lewinsky's stained dress came up earlier today, and the conspiracy theorist in me wondered: Could there have been a second shooter?
Name: saving Pompes privates
@nicnac11TOWthrowhimafuckingbone!
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 16:01:09
Comments:
I am a veterinarian and an animal lover and I was looking
up great dane on the internet, and lone behold I ended up
here. I must have forgotten the e on dane. I noticed someone
has a dog in here named Pompe, and that the dog is feeling
better now. That makes me happy. What puzzles me though, is
the fact that apparently the dogs owner, clas, was thinking
about giving this dog zantac. DO NOT give him zantac, for
christs sakes, as this may cause serious trauma to his digestive
system! First of all, are you feeding him right, you can tell
by a certain alpo scent after digestion. Try giving him a t-bone
once in a while, you cheap bastard. Of course, if he has a more
serious disorder, some vets recommend checking his droppings.
I STRONGLY DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS METHOD, but if it comes down
to it, affectionately look him in the eyes, pat him on his head,
and tell him, "Pup, you're not going to make it".
Name: Rose Darling
@life goes on without me
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 14:34:42
Comments:
Where is countzirO? Is he out of Tao-wn ?
Geena:
I can hear your words, when you speak, of what you are and have seen... I'm assuming your question about quality time is rhetorical because I bet you could guess that I don't have the slightest clue as even how to speculate to solve that problem. The only words that help me personally to determine how to get to that elusive quality time period a.k.a. down time is "making priorities." Some things have to go, no matter how much I want to accomplish. Too bad that Tomorrow's Girl had to choose this GB as one thing that had to go.Five Names:
I'd really like to go with your innocuous meaning. But unfortunately, I always suspected the song has more sinister meaning, as Myra elucidated. (hum to "Just a Gigolo") "Just a pedophile, always wears a smile, but Dan fans know the game he's playing..."Stranger:
Perfectly posted paragraph (say that five times fast.)
You're right... it's music, not math ! Excellent point. Especially since WB and DF never claimed otherwise. .Say Clas, who is Minah, and why does Pompe like her hat so?
(Are we talking about a Fez?)
Name: fezo
are.you.with.me
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 13:20:10
Comments:
I'm so psyched. Just checked my calendar and realized I got an hour meeting tomorrow with a woman named Wu. I wonder if she'll be distracted by my humming. Too bad she's a lawyer and not a doctor.
Name: Steve V. Dan
University of Dan
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 12:03:46
Comments:
Just thought I'd put my own two cents worth in on 'Everyone's Gone To The Movies':
It is definitely about some pedophile...and I think it was originally intended for 'Can't Buy A Thrill' which was to have an album cover that tied in with it (i.e. a pedophile leering at a little girl) [see 'New Times' interview from circa 1976 where Becker and Fagen mention original CBAT artwork}....
and (I think) the whole original idea for Steely Dan was done with a tongue in cheek attitude that included a lot of lyrics of sexual curiosos....I mean they did take their name from 'Naked Lunch' after all... blah , blah blah.......yadah yadah yadha
Name: Myra Eyefull
incestisn'tbest
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 10:18:12
Comments:
Well since I investigate sexual abuse for a living, the song"Everyones gone to the movies" really drops alot of suggestive remarks that gives me the impression that Mr. LaPage is a pedophile. Many pedophiles are likable fun people who engage their prey with fun things to do. They call their sexual acts "games" that are not to be shared with other adults. Mr. LaPage seems to be saying, he will show these porno films and then while the others are out, he will teach the child a "new game" to play. In other words, he will molest the child and perhaps take his own movies of the acts to be sold for a child pornography ring.
My husband said my mind is warped from this job but that's how
I see it and I'm sticking to it!Myra
Name: PATSJAZZ
BoringOldMan@Home.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 08:28:28
Comments:
(SFX: Me whimpering)
I am SO incredibly jealous of all you folks that are going to the Duck Inn on the 22nd. My wife and I would love to go, but it's so difficult to find a babysitter on a Saturday night for our kids. And, the fact that we live in Illinois kinda gets in the way, too. I expect to hear every detail, no matter how trivial it may seem. We relive our childless days through the exploits of others. Yes, it's sad, but it's our life. I know it's a week and a half away, but I want to make this clear now, I want someone to have a couple of shots of Cuervo and a few dozen beers for me. Alright, it doesn't have to be just one person, it can be split up between the group, the point is, I just wish we could be there!! It sounds like a great time.
Have fun! Dance! Sing loudly and off key! Stay out late! Spend the money allotted for the rent! Do things that will embarass you for days to come! And tell me it all...
(Wiping the drool from his chin) Patsjazz
Name: rudy
heh heh, you said 'dinghy'
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 07:59:55
Comments:
LEVON: whoops. thanks for picking that up.
ST.AL: maybe it's too close to lunch but I'm thinking that cute seafood bar (in the shape of a dinghy) at the Duck Inn is gonna get NAILED....
Name: StAlphonzo
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 07:18:46
Comments:
Ok! So unless anyone has an objection I'm making a command decision here (thanks RS)....
DanFan gathering
PLACE: The Duck-in -- Virginia Beach, VA
URL: http://www.va-beach.com/duck-in/menu.htm
DATE: Saturday 8/22
Time: 5:00 PMI figure this would be a good place to start...Should we do this earlier in the day? Please chime in anytime.
StAl
Name: DB
i'll be home for christmas
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 at 06:00:58
Comments:
RD, actually, i think it's called Phish Phood/Food, it's fairly new (i'm told), and worth a try. though i was tempted to proudly stick a cadbury flake in my cone to emulate a 99. about cab fare, it's all i could do to afford my battered care for the few months i'm here! maybe i'll take a cab to the airport, or a limo if i get enough, from the proceeds of my car. on second thought, i'll plan to take the Dart.
why homer? he looks like a big, hairy caveman! and a little yellow around the gills, too. why did you have to remind me yet again of that bathroom scene? shiver. i'm a woman, and i still yelped!
Name: Clas
Geenas mascalzone
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 23:32:37
Comments:
RubyBaby; that was good. I love what you write.
I'll wait for the package! Love you!
Geena; scuzi bella fonte my little darling. Thanks for the Zantac-info. Do dogs drink tea?
I didn't mean that you reminded of Carly Simon, remember how we once talked about Marthas Vineyard? The concert was there. And you're more beautiful than her, my bella!!!
TODAY
POMPE;
it has been a calm night for Pompe. Today he wanted to stay home. He wants to watch CNN. With Minahs hat on.
Name: TheStranger
btw
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 23:31:50
Comments:
geena,
just caught the signifigance of what you're asking about 'dayplanner' people. thanks for asking, but fact is, i do mind. please don't use it. lisa's got my e-mail address if you would like explanation.thanks.
Name: TheStranger
everything who did?
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 23:24:38
Comments:
some fascinating analysis of Dan lyrics being posted. but i would always try to at least consider the possibility that becker-fagen don't always know the precise meaning of their words themselves. something's good, it enters the thought process, it gets written down. yeah, that's cool. there are conscious thoughts, unconscious thoughts, straight thoughts, drug thoughts, cloudy thoughts, certain thoughts. maybe the specific interpretation is something they see years later. maybe it changes over the years. this isn't math. it's music.
kinkster,
uh uh, you won't get me arguing with you over boston rag cause the worst of Dan isn't all that bad so i can't win & don't even want to.
Name: FiveNames
Here @ the midwestern world
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 22:46:33
Comments:
Call me naive, but I've always thought (or have chosen to believe) that "EGTTM" had a much more innocuous meaning. To me, it dealt with a party wherein Mr. LaPage, the parent of the birthday kid, liked to show home movies. I made it my job to convince the rest of the (somewhat younger) kids how much fun it would be to go watch said movies, with ulterior motives in mind.
After the rest of the kids all piled upon the overstuffed furniture in the den, you and I, teenage hormones raging, crept to another, more secluded part of the house for some interactive indoor sports, after much prodding and cajoling on my part. Now we're alone at last.Since it has been emphatically stated more than once in this GB that Mr. Fagan was referring to celluloid (16 vs 8) and not apples, I must retire to my thinking chair to figure out how THAT fits with my story. The trouble with illusions is that they're shattered so easily, despite our best attempts to hold them together. Stay tuned; I'll work it in somehow...
As to the song itself, I confess that I liked the demo much better than the track on Katy Lied.
Name: Geena
Clas e il super miele
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 20:06:29
Comments:
Ruby: I admire you for having the courage to speak your mind on the subject of abuse. You're one hell of a woman for having survived it. I've got to take a really good listen to EYD.
Rose D: I agree with what you said, but I have to ask this question, if modern technology is supposed to make our lives easier, then why are some of us constantly seeking quality time for ourselves? Oh no, I feel the need to analyze this subject to death now, stop me!!!
Clas: Amore, Zantac is medication for acid indigestion/reflux. If it's sold in Sweden, please don't give any to Pompe, you could cause him serious harm. Dogs don't metabolize the same way humans do, but you probably know this already. Try giving him weak cooled down camomile tea, no sugar, ok?
And please don't tell me Carly Simon reminds you of me. I met Miss Carly at the station once, she's a nice lady and I really did make her a cup of tea, but she towers over your little Geena by a foot!
DB: I saw that movie yesterday! Yes, i'm still laughing and cringing too, especially the first bathroom scene! Thanks for telling me about Desmond M. Guess his lady friend from the U.S. he sang about must have left him for greener pastures. When you say he looks like Homer Simpson, does this mean he has a perpetual five o'clock shadow? Let's send him some razor blades for Christmas!
Kid C: I still occasionally partake in a little roof sitting, Corona's and the rowdies! Hell, I live in a college town, that stuff never leaves you for some reason and once in a while I need to cut loose.Fezo: my sentiments exactly, that's why I come to the GB and do the above once in a blue moon, aaaaahhhhhhhhyeeeeeeee!!!
Time for me to go to bed, i've been up for over 24 hours...nighty night!!
Name: Lost
in the barrio
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 19:57:08
Comments:
This is one crazy mama-jama of a Guest Book. "Oleander" (sp) where's that site of yours everybody keeps talking about? Or can somebdy let me know. Thanks
Name: rubybaby
sorry, @ngel, I must take
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 17:31:42
Comments:
Oleander: First, glad the cake turned out well. I forgot to tell you, my kids know it as "Texas Sheet Cake". I had to come up with something, right?
Secondly, I read your remarks about EYD and it brought back some painful memories, but ones I've grown to accept as mine. I am an abuse survivor, so it may seem strange to you that I only view this song as a normal jealous reaction to an all too common occurence in this world. You see, a real abuser wouldn't stop at saying he's getting his gun, shoot the lover down. No, he would make her listen to all the violent & gross things he would do to the guy with his bare hands & a baseball bat because he really only wants to frighten & hurt her. Real abusers are cowards and would never "get the lover." Actually, there doesn't even need to be a lover. Abusers are paranoid and they also like to make things up. This, not only gives them an excuse to be violent, but it allows them to play with her head. Head games are an important part of abuse. "I know how people talk-I wonder what they say" - Well, I believe in a *regular* unfaithfulness situation, someone might think about that. Trust me. It can make one feel like a real fool. But you're right, an abuser is also concerned about what people think. But they wouldn't mind if people thought their spouse was lousy, it might get them sympathy, which they seek all the time. The rest of the lyrics just paint a picture for me of someone who's angry and jealous and still has feelings for this roller skater. I even believe it to be more common than you would think, for someone to get turned on by the thought of their *partner* with someone else, especially if they're jealous of another lover. If an abuser ever says, "Now you're gonna do me everything you did" don't think he'll let her. He will do most of the talking/yelling/showing & doing. Abusers don't ever listen... I even think there's hope for this couple in the song. I agree with you that DF and WB aren't perverts - just good observers. PS: I'm sorry you have to witness the aftermath of abuse. My heart goes out to you.To me, a song that has abusive undertones is Green Earrings
.
Gina: thanx for the smoochies! they always bring a smile.Clas: I mailed your package & sealed it with a good old fashioned kiss & a ray of sunshine.
rb
Name: rrrrrrr
@youknowgoddamnwhereI'mat!
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 16:29:45
Comments:
Ya know, you could just f#%king tell me, damn college
boys! mumble, mumble, mumble.
Name: Not Geena, but I LOVE the name!
&,that's AND,I LOVE HIM TOO!
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 16:17:46
Comments:
I always thought "Everything You Did" was a parody of
eyes. Everyone's gone to the movies could have been
just about kids when they were small or Mr. LaPage could
have been Mr. Page or certain jazz artists were doing
alot of movie soundtracks,pick one or make up your own.
Name: FYI
IGY
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 16:16:05
Comments:
I don't think Mr. Becker was living in the Aloha state during the production of Aja.
Name: DAVEDU
here@the western world
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 15:54:15
Comments:
In the story about everyone's gone to the movies, I always liked to believe that the "eight" vs. "sixteen" line related to 16 millimeter film vs. those old fashioned super-8 home movies.And by the way, is "Aja" the song, all about Mr. Becker's Hawaiian ranch? (I have the feeling this is something everyone but me already knows.)
Name: Levon
sit right down
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 15:07:53
Comments:
Rude-yWhere did the bastard run = "Everything you did"
Sorry we only have 8 = "Everyones gone to the movies"D&W have said in many interviews that the above line simply refers to film, thats it, film.
Name: Rose Darling
@trying to make sense of the suburban sprawl
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 14:54:12
Comments:
Fezo:
Welcome back, and regarding last post, well said.I'm not a writer, but for the many collectors and compilers of information, I think the human species needs to evolve a new limb: (1) An appendaged notebook (on leg) and pen (additional digit to hand) or, (2) a laptop computer for recording all thoughts on the run (panel on the stomach) or (3) an internalized tape recorder. Anyone ever see the movie "Videodrome" ? Sure would beat having to carry that stuff around externally all the time like I do. I'm a jot-it-down junkie.
DB: No I have not even heard of the Phish ice cream !
As they say in the refrigeration business, COOL ! And...
One's automobile can betray upwardly mobile status, as you so astutely remarked. That is why there are "rental limo's." Even stylish-wannabees can take a cab everywhere. Surely that's impressive... I mean, who can afford cab fares these days?Dave:
So what r u? The Spelling Nazi ?
Just teasing :) I like correct spelling myself but occasionally, Kreative Spelling is ohkay. I hope I'm not the one YOU'RE talking about. P.S. If you're still seeing monsters under the bed, I know a specialist I can refer you to...Luckless Ped:
An interesting spin on "Everyone's Gone to the Movies."Oleander:
"Everything You Did" lyrics do not seem at all the least bit amusing to you, and you derive a sense of mirrored reality from them (although you say you like the song.) What kind of work is it that do you do, if I may ask?Geena:
It's okay, I'm no clairvoyant either. I can barely guess what's going on in people's heads right next to me, never mind the fabulous world of postings !
Name: rudy
not in VA but getting closer
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 12:09:50
Comments:
LP: I always thought that line in Everything You Did refers to different film formats: either ("I know you're used to") 16mm or ("more, sorry we only have") Super-Eight. The narrator apparently only has "home movies" to show......rüd=E
Name: Clas
I love Geena Colada
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 11:40:34
Comments:
Kid Charlemange: Zantac?
Geena: What is Zantac?
So, now I'm going home.
Name: Mr. Grouse Point
CountyJail@NearDon.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 11:40:25
Comments:
The movie shows I have been to. A cramped building full of (expletive deletive).
Is San Diego, year 2000, the place to be? LeBarBat was so cool.
Heck, with the lack of the 'Dan', I am now turned on to the Damned. Some great things, like Danstuff, Danventions, Danfests, new albums, etcetera, are worth waiting for. Lisa: what do you think? Talk to me Josie.
Name: Luckless Pedestrian
at the projection machine
Location: Va Beach,
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 11:07:26
Comments:
I always thought that "Everyone's...Movies" was about sniffing glue. LaPage is the brand name for a modeler's glue. The reference to "sixteen or more, sorry we only have eight" is (I'm guessing) related to how many ounces come in a single tube. All references to "movies" are metaphors for getting high.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
--LP
Name: DrMu
postingwhileeating(don'tdothisathome)
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 11:06:14
Comments:
Josie/TG: Just cut it down to one bogus persona at a time. Obsess about the Dan while you're doing other things. Then, of course, you'll have time to obsess about your life while scrolling through the guestbook. As fezo and Patzjazz mentioned, this is a nice diversion. Most of the stuff that I write is so technical and dry...the GB gives me a chance to free-wheel it without worrying about editing (can't you all tell?) and whether my train of thought is headed for a derailment of Amtrak proportions. In fact, I've take an 2 month moratorium on technical writing while doing other things because the tech. writing was staler that a 4 year old Ritz cracker. I hope to Do it Again starting next week (maybe) calm and crisp and strong - My rehab includes using the active voice more (instead of the cumbersome passive) and slipping in a few colorful metaphors - damn the editors and reviewers!
Ole: astute and itemized observations about the guy in EYD...I also have the feeling that he may be setting things up for a (oh, sure we'd like to believe that only fun stuff will follow - see extreme explanation #4), but if he's truly angry and a loose cannon with a history of abuse, then switching from anger to sexual passion without turning off the anger may not be possible for this character. He may be rationalizing essentially a violent act which just happens to be sexual as well on this woman which immediately follows.
Name: DB
there's something about Pompe
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 11:01:03
Comments:
noting that one of you has a Great Dane, has anyone seen "There's Something About Mary?" still laughing and cringing!
Name: DB
trying to catch up on four days' worth
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 10:58:39
Comments:
messages in here multiply like rabbits!
Roy: I have to be honest, i don't know; pls fill me in!
Geena: There's a town in Galway called "Kinvara" and related to your other note, Des M. played at Clogs pub in Galway City. by the way, i saw a picture of him over the weekend (after our exchanges, i had a friend from home email me a couple) - sad to say, he's gotten quite scruffy looking, basically looking like homer simpson these days. take a bath, for f@*k's sake!
RD: have you tried, speaking of which, Ben & Jerry's Phish ice cream? absolutely luscious! i saw something you wrote along the lines of being a yuppy is simply a matter of giving off the appearance of being one. unfortunately, this is difficult to do when one drives a rusty ol' 1989 hyundai whose driver's window is taped shut!
Name: KidCharlemagne
glw7@pantheon.yale.edu
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 10:29:58
Comments:
yup, I'm a newbie. what, is the nickname already taken?
re Pompe: I think it was the Zantac.
Name: Clas
Geenas miele
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 10:02:53
Comments:
KidCharlemagne; you're a newbie?
And you're doing three dots! Great!
Have you heard about my dog? He's a Great Dane (a great Dan-fan as well (a Steely Dane)). His name is Pompe. He had some problem with his stomach this morning. Do you think it was because of the coffee or the sausage? I think it's important to hear a newbie's fresh opinion on this. Thank you very much sir.
Geena Baby; where ARE you? I'll email you soon. Be patient, patience is a virtue.
Name: KidCharlemagne
glw7@pantheon.yale.edu
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 09:39:56
Comments:
hello all. I'm a newbie, and I haven't done much lurking, so forgive me if I flout all the conventions...
just wanted to greet the rest of Dandom, and weigh in one more opinion that SD is the greatest band that ever was or ever will be.
my obsession with the band kind of feels like an intrusion upon another generation -- I was born the year Aja came out, and am still engaging in precisely the practices Fezo recalls from his college years. not that I feel the slightest twinge of guilt at this intrusion. in fact, I wish more folks in my demographic would open their ears to the Dan. I keep converting my friends, who convert their friends, who convert theirs, and so forth. I guess that's kind of the way it's always worked with non-mainstream bands that don't tour much.
speaking of tours -- someone please repost any and all rumours about a summer '99 tour, theoretically in support of The New One. and of course anything you know about the new album. I tried following that link to the RealAudio archive of their KMTT interview, but couldn't make the connection from way East where I am.anyway, just wanted to make contact. Geena, you're right on target with your suggestion to carry a microcassette recorder around constantly. I always find myself wanting to chronicle my various ramblings for posterity -- even if that posterity is only myself, smiling back fondly from my easy chair a few years down the road. actually, my weapon of choice is a 3x5 spiral notebook from Rite Aid, for quotes and bumper stickers and billboards and gems of all sorts. never leaves my back left pocket, 'cept when I'm writing on it.
Name: ( % % )
( * \/ * )
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 09:21:24
Comments:
Tough Dan trivia questions on the Steely Dan Music Discussion Board. Help!
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb98548
Name: fezo
frozen.crystal.dawn
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 07:40:47
Comments:
on the GB as a diversion and/or not having time for it . . .
The main problem I have with the real world (as opposed to the college world where I spent most of my time on roofs, drinking cheap beer, smoking lethal substances, and listening to the Dead--certainly no problems there) is that it tends to discourage creativity. One gets so caught up reacting to day to day traumas; i.e., car won't start, important client finds 1001 errors in latest publication, that the more fantasical portion of the brain starts to wither and rot away. The GB, at least for me, prevents that atrophy and provides a great release as well from the tensions created by having to solve the day to day travails. Even when I'm at my busiest/tensest, I always find time to check out the GB where creativity is almost a prerequisite. Posting is like a healthy version of my college rooftop adventures producing the same result but with less aftertaste.
ole: bad news on the deerstalker front, it got confiscated at the border, some b.s. about a secret lining.
deerstalker
Name: PATSJAZZ
Rainy Days And Mondays...and Tuesdays...
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 06:21:02
Comments:
The beginning of another new week. Ick.
Tomorrows Girl: I know exactly what you mean about this websight being addictive and taking away from your work. I'm a writer also, and since I found GB, most of my computer time is spent reading posts. Needless to say, I don't get as much work done as I'd like. But, you must admit, most writers need a diversion from their primary focus every once in a while, and GB is about as good a diversion as there is. It makes you think, makes you smile, makes you shake your head and say, "Huh?"
But best of all, it's usually very friendly, almost always accomodating, and incredibly low in calories!
So, spend twenty minutes a day reading and posting. That's not a big chunk of time away from business, and then you'll never have to leave.
Patsjazz
Name: Evil Santa
treesRus.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 01:12:26
Comments:
Jimbo: if you only knew.
Name: trh
vip@projektkompagniet.dk
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 at 01:12:05
Comments:
Is there anybody who can help me ? I want the chords of the song
"maxine" form the nightfly-album?
thanks
trh
Name: Clas
Geena + Clas = true love written in stone
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 23:31:52
Comments:
THIS MORNING
POMPE;
Woke me up five thirty, we were out three times before I went to work. He had some problems with his stomach.
BREAKFAST;
Black coffee in bed with bread, butter and a sausage.
BREAKFAST for me;
Coffee and two cigs + 2 mgs Valium.
Oleander; thanks. Now, could you do me a favour? Write a personal letter to my son and tell him not to torture his old father with that damn junglemusic. I think he'll listen to you.
TG; so long. You'll be back.
Geena! - Today I miss you more than ever! I was thinking of you last night, I watched a Carly Simon concert from Marthas Vineyard (Rick Marotta on drums). She's cute, but baby, you're the best!
Name: TheStranger
down but not beat
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 21:31:59
Comments:
for those interested in beats, new bio of keouac reviewed + first chapter at these sites:
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/08/09/reviews/980809.09dickm.html
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/a/amburn-kerouac.html
Name: oleander
I'm not here for business, I'm only here for fun
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 20:52:16
Comments:
It's great to see other people who don't have anything better to do on the weekend than post, or alternatively who are so faithful (needy?) that they interrupt their three-dimensional lives for this....
fezo--welcome back! Are you wearing your deerstalker to the Fest? It's too late for the Greatest, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
DDU--So are you coming to the party?
Ruby--Today I was listening to Was/Not Was' hiphop version of "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone," with rap riffs, and it's very good. Maybe you're not so far off.... BTW, the cake is as advertised. But don't tell the Permasqueeze I said so.
Rose--Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq, "Deja Vu."
Clas--According to Sweet, what you heard was Count Basie & Joe Williams doing "Going To Chicago Blues," which Messrs. F & B quoted in YGT. Why don't you bring it to Danfest & play it for us?
This talk about EYD & EGGTM has got me thinking, because I unabashedly like EYD but deeply distrust EGTTM. Musically I think they're both terrific. I really dig TG's & Dr. Mu's takes on the latter (Mu--Great layers. I know why you've got that thermasuit on--it's to keep from igniting everything around you!!). I think it's about a cuckolded lover, but what disturbs me (sorry to be repetitious; this is what I said on my page) is that the narrator goes through a comprehensive list of statements which are exactly like those of many domestic abuse perpetrators (how's that for a euphemism for "wife beater"? Less sexist anyway). "I'm gonna get a gun/ shoot the lover down"--not unpredictable as a first angry and humiliated reaction, but a short step away from turning his aggression against his lover. "Turn up the Eagles..."--hiding conflict from outside contacts and forcing the partner to do the same. "You know how people talk/ I wonder what they say"--paranoia about how he and/or the relationship are/is perceived by outsiders. "I never knew you/ You were a roller skater"--extrapolating from (perhaps) one episode to calling her a general slut. "I know your filthy mind"--more name-calling and accusations meant to belittle the accused. "Now you gonna do me everything you did"--forcing the partner to replicate her unfaithfulness; not far from rape. Overreading? Maybe, but only because I hear this sort of thing over & over again in my work. And maybe it gets me more because the music FITS the lyrics instead of being ironically different, as in EGTTM. Mr. LaPage to me is just pathetic, the kind of impotent sleazebag who would just inspire an "Ewww!" in even the most naive teenager, where the guy in EYD seems dangerous. Roy, that was a terrific and succinct catalogue of a phenomenon that's pretty opaque to me.... However, I think you point out how thin the line is for EVERYONE between anger and violence. And Count, I couldn't disagree with you more; I don't for one second believe that Messrs. F & B are perverts. I think they're unbelievably astute observers and expressers of the behavior of their fellow humans and the contents of their own ids, and aren't afraid to put it all out there in their music. They walk that thin blue line. I also find it interesting that the laissez-faire interpretations of EYD generally fall to the guys, except for TG.
TG--Whatever. I do suspect that you're every bit as obsessed as I am, though better at budgeting your time. My life is packed to the gills, and I use a number of Geena's helpful hints and then some, but this whole thing has been much more than tedious scrolling or scrambling to stay caught up. It's worth it to me. But then I don't write for a living--I just get out my jones here.
Name: dave.down.under
Thursday's also sad.
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 19:42:47
Comments:
Josie, TGirl: if you're not careful we'll find you with the working girls down in the county jail. With this impish streak you're the pride of the neighborhood Guest Book. If you decide to come back, maybe we'll break out the motor scooters.. who knows, maybe lie on the beach and make it.And everybody else: if you're going to use a contraction for "you are," use the fuckin apostrophe. Sorry, but Mom was an eighth grade English teacher and things like that just bring out the monsters from under the bed.
Katy: Katy R-U-there? daddy's comin' home tonight.
Name: Geena
Clasgirl
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 19:35:25
Comments:
Tomorrow's Girl/Josie: Here are a few tips from the Mistress of finding a minute to do it all.
1. Get up an hour earlier, stay up an hour later
2. Pinch a few minutes from your lunch hour
3. Do 15 minutes of housecleaning a day
4. Carry the SD pocket tape recorder with you while running, walking, etc. for any creative thoughts that may come to mind, walk your dog at the same time if you have one.
5. eat on the run or while writing
6. finish work at your day job in half the time, tell someone you're truly busy and ask for their help
7. Cut idle chit chat at the office/school as well as phone calls by 5 minutes
8. Pay someone to do your laundry
9. Spend less time on your hair, get a wash and go style
10.Get a laptop and take it to the bathroom with you when the need arises, some people I know do their greatest creative thinking in there.You should now have at least 3 hours of "your time" to post in the GB. If all of the above doesn't help Good Luck, we'll miss you, and never say never, you'll be back...addictions are very strong habits to break and you already have the monkey in your soul!!
Clas: I'm here darling, we just woke up on different continents this morning.
Rose D: I told you I may be wrong and don't know what made me think that, it's just what sprung to mind while I was writing, as you can see, I'd never be good at clairvoyance! As for my virgo nature, sometimes I can be "too" mellow which makes some people think I'm either a Deadhead or always high or both.
Ruby: sending smoochies on the SST
Today I was having lunch in a restaurant with a good friend of mine before seeing the movie "Something About Mary" and Tomorrow's Girls was playing on the Muzak. What's this world coming to?
Name: Mayor Rudy
New York City
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 18:13:49
Comments:
Josie: You can work this confict of schedule and addiction out. You really don`t have a say in this, because your hooked . Take it from me ( note poster also uses bogus handles) the mayor of half a million citizens who are cracked out ,your not going to spend your time watching C.O.P.S. and MTV and you fuckin know it.....Rudolph
Name: fezo
judy.judy.judy
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 17:00:15
Comments:
back from the mother country, great time, except why do the English have such ugly cars?
i'm too jet-lagged to scroll through nine days of missed posts. what did i miss?
almost forgot .. the obligatory SD note . . . kept seeing in UK shops a Greatest Hits package that looked identical to the offings over here except for the cover, a pretty stylish pick of a car junkyard, reminded me a bit of one of the pics on Springsteen's "River". Should I have bought it?
Name: Rose Darling
@can't you see you've finally found your home at last?
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 12:41:55
Comments:
Regarding Tomorrow's Girl/ Josie exit: :(
Stay up later at night, dammit ! Skip dinner ! Let the laundry pile up for weeks ! Take showers, not baths ! You can fit the GB in !!! I just know it !!!
Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo...
Bobby D (Bobby Darin?) :
Hey, I never said Everyone's Gone to the Movies didn't have a sense of humor. I just think musically, la de da aside, I like Everything You (They) Did better.
Name: We will miss you
NOT
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 11:56:25
Comments:
TG, You pompus ass.
Name: Tomorrow's girl
'fessing up, times two, before I go
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 11:32:05
Comments:
To All:
It's been a terrific couple of weeks since I found this GB, but now it's time for me to "throw a kiss and say goodbye." First a couple of personal posts:
Rose Darling: :)
WOW! Great poetic description of the guitar solo on EYD. Want to join my writers' group :D?
Seriously, you are a real sweetie to everyone on this guestbook, including me when I came in. Keep it up, dahling!Roy.Scam: RE: positions and snare drums--you can't talk to me like that; I'm a nice girl. But I did laugh out loud at your #6. How funny to hear a man admit that.
Dr. Mu: I gather from other posts that others find your analyzing as fascinating as I have. Keep it up. RE:"Everything," you support your interps well, but that still doesn't mean you're not one sick puppy :).
To explain my sudden, permanent exodus:
I'm leaving precisely because I like this site a lot (St.Al, I dont think I ever said thanks, so here you are). There's a high level of literate and musical intelligence (and lots of Dan-like wit) displayed each day by this GB's posters.You should all take it as a high compliment that this GB, in my opinion, is very addicting for any SD fan. Also, my own real-world friends don't much like SD's work (I'm too young, I guess) so it's been a heady two weeks, finally feeling like someone else understood my favorite musical artists.
But as a writer myself, I can see that getting addicted to catching up on all the posts and analyzing/responding etc, would take too much time away from my writing, for which time is limited enough given how busy the rest of my life is.
And, with a nod to countzir0:
I remember what countzir0 said about the anonymous handles. So since I'm leaving anyway :), I can confess now that I am "Josie." In defense of myself, I will say that 1)I never said a mean word to anyone under whatever handle, and 2) we writers have the most fun when we're creating characters, pretending to be someone else. (One reason I like the Dan so much is that I KNOW they had a blast doing it too!). I just created two characters instead of one.So countzir0, don't be too hard on those in this GB who like to take on another persona once in a while. But you're right that (this is a paraphrase) "Mean people suck." (That was Josie talking; Tomorrow's Girl would never say "suck" :). )
THANKS TO ALL for all the fun, and for reading this long post.
Vive le Dan!
TG/J
Name: mitch
you were a rollerskater
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 10:54:38
Comments:
GB: Everything you did , does have a voyeur theme. Everyone`s gone to the movies is about some guy Mr. Lapage who wants to show porno flicks too teenagers.
Name: Roy.Scam
i.said.lie.in.that.position.not.lie.at.the.deposition
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 08:46:36
Comments:
Tomorrow's Girl: "Everything You Did" is a favorite of mine; those economic snare drum hits in the first 30 seconds are still unpredictable to me (not unlike expertly timed pelvic thrusts), and the yodeling guitar solo is perfect for conveying a mental state on the verge of violence or breakdown. The lyrics seem straightforward to me: The classic psychiatric male phases of sexual betrayal acknowledgement: 1) anger, 2) blame, 3) revenge, 4) ego insecurity , 5) the desire to be saturated with details, and 6) the standard male closure mechanism: "Let's have sex."
mW: Thanks for the kind double negatives. I have more tales than a public restroom.
Speaking of bathrooms: Myra, I'll meet you there in 10 minutes. I've got TV Guides and a lifetime of mindlessness.
DB: What's the 'one degree of separation' link between the Chieftains and Steely Dan?
RS
Name: Clas
geenaslover
Date: Sunday, August 9, 1998 at 04:17:25
Comments:
Tomorrows Girl; re "Everything you did", sure, the guy is a "hanrej" (cuckold). I've always thought that this song is one of the funniest.
Ruby; cool!
Geena; you're not here today? I miss you!
Name: jimbo
shagydog3@aol.com
Location: st.louis, mo usa
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 23:22:32
Comments:
i love sd .its so mystic . by the way who is "peg" ,anyway?
Name: rubybaby
and @ pinacoloda my friend
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 20:42:39
Comments:
RoseDarling: No, it's a completely different tune. (I detest the Dejavu black cow rap thing anyway). This one's got parts of Bad Sneakers in it. You know, the "da dnt DA da dnt DA..." piano part. It's in there, I tell you.Clas: I'm mailing you a tape of my radio listening one evening. This song is somewhere on side B. Tell me if you hear it, too.
My Dan-tolerating spouse heard it right off the bat.
And it looks like Kristina will make it! She's just a bit wobbley.
She's a real scurvy sister!!DrMu: #2! #2!
rb
Name: Bobby D
Don't tell your mama
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 20:00:36
Comments:
Rose Darling-- Wait a second, you mean "Every thing you did" has a great sense of humor but "Everyones gone to the movies" does not? "Movies" might have the best sense of humor out of any other Dan song going! Why does everybody smash this song? I think it's the real happy la de da music set along side those really sick lyrics.
Name: Rose Darling
@I know where baby's at
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 19:01:13
Comments:
Geena: You got the face down !
Your guesses were off because I am a Libra. Wow, I wonder what made you think I could even be a Scorpio. I feel like I'm on the opposite end of the horoscopical world from the Scorpios I've known. The Scorpio "sting" is just not in me. If I put any stock in horoscopes at all, I would tend to believe that it is my Libran nature that makes me crave justice, fairness and beauty, and also helps me to see the many sides of any situation, sometimes leaving my opinion smack in the middle, balancing the scales. There is a quote by DF in the Sweet book that fits me perfectly, even though he's not a Libra. Don't have it with me but I'll post it here soon. It always surprised me that neither DF or WB is a Libra as some other extremely dynamic musicans that I like are.
P.S. Most Virgos I've met have been amongst the mellowest and humble of people.rubybaby:
Is the rap song you are talking about the one I heard booming past me today, which has samplings of the opening bars of Black Cow?Tomorrow's Girl: :D :D :D
Interesting analysis of "Everything You Did." Are you surprised to know that I happen to LOVE that song ? Way better song than Gone to the Movies. To me EYD is a song with both a wicked sense of humor and distorted mirror view of actual relationships. Musically, I particularly L-O-V-E the ironic, percussive punctuation of the drums. The guitar solo is one of my all time Dan favorites, with the fingernails across blackboard mournful wailing to screeching of betrayal and realization ripping through one's spine like an icy blast of sorrow, bleak reality and finally, resignation. The lyrics seem to me to be a tongue in cheek representation of an argument between a cuckolded one and his lover. I can picture real people having such an encounter, sarcastic bitter ramblings and all. Almost like a Dan portrait of "Married with Children" with less shmaltz.Dr. Mu: Your alternative theories clearly expose the multi-dimensional ironies or horrors that can be extracted from those lyrics. I will perhaps visualize many more things going on in that song next time I listen ! Particularly about the traces that are everywhere...
Name: DrMu
givin'itawhack
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 16:23:07
Comments:
TG: Could be. I'm no expert and I missplaced my SD lyric decoder ring, but I might try to find a few twists. The lyrics are open enough (like that's unusual) for a number of interpretation. I'd ask Kinky, but his moniker refers to the hair. Oleander can certainly provide some takes from her site or through her intuition.
Anyway, I think that: 1) the STANDARD interpretation would be about a guy who comes home and finds his girlfriend or wife who's obviously finished an interlope with a lover who's just left. The narrator is furious at first, then upon finding sex toys and other parphenalia ("traces are everywhere"), gets turned on.
Here's a couple more alternative takes:
2)This is actually a game that both he and his girlfirend play in order to get themselves revved up for a wild time. In other words, She lays out clothes, bras, handcuffs all over the house and meets the narrator at the door with deliberately smeared lipstick and mostly disrobed or in a teddy or something provacative.
3) The narrator is actually the lover on the side and he arrives joking that he's going to chase the husband away - and wryly implies that she has just finished an intiamate moment with her husband (it's the line: "I jumped out of my easy chair, it was not my own!"). Again this could be part of a game that he or he and his lover play.
4) The last and sickest interpretation: this is a rapist who's broken in and these we are hearing a combination of the sick things he is both thinking and saying.
I read somewhere that the line: "Turn up the Eagles the neighbors are listening." was inspired by Walter's girlfriend being a big Eagles fan. I think he was sick of listening to them.
Name: Countzir0
Absence of Motive
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 11:55:31
Comments:
Afternoon, GB signers, all:
Tomorrow's Girl: That's the second time you've surprised me with your lyrics interpretations. The first time was your interpretation of "Through With Buzz," awhile back. It's obviously a song about someone who's just weaned himself from substance abuse and "maybe he's a ferry" is simply sour grapes like you said. I'd never looked at "Everything You Did" in quite that way before and never will look at it the same again. As we delve into the minds of Fagen and Becker, we start to see just how perverted they are... Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your "overanalysis" of these songs that we all love for some reason unexplained.
back to sysing hard drives, fdisking, formatting, deltreeing, diagnosing, etc., etc., Sometimes I think I'd be happy if I never saw a computer again...
Name: Tomorrow's girl
@sue me if I wrote too long
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 09:17:41
Comments:
Steve V: Thanks for the tip re: "Rikki." I feel better now.
Oleander: Since you asked("cultural notes"), yes, you are :)...I went into a ten-second blue funk after I read your post(we Girls never stay depressed for long). Donald Fagen only helped to perpetuate the common Earth prejudice that all of us Girls are alike, when in fact it's only the Sheilus Girls who give the rest of us a bad name. But sometimes our teenage Stargate girls sneak off late at night and practice looking "blank" and "carnivorous" at the same time--no mean feat, let me tell you :)
RubyBaby: How true about trying to maintain an innocent POV. And I agree w/ you about the rap idea--when I listen to "Rikki" thinking of it as a message to a runaway teen (w/ a minimum of lyric changes it already could be) the chorus sends chills up my spine. Fantastic idea.
Rose Darling: you're so nice to me, thanks :).
I'm glad you mentioned the "Everyone's" demo. Till now I'd conscientiously objected to listening to the demo ("What! They made THAT song into a demo?!?") so your post made me do it. What a bouncy funk of a sweet ride that arrangement is! Tho I haven't changed my mind on the lyrics--yet, anyway...You blew my mind, though, when you compared "Everyone's" with "Everything You Did", although it is true that both songs have perverse subject matter (though "Everything" is presumably happening between adults). Now I'll blow your mind. "Everything You Did" is one of my favorite Dan songs. And, I think, one of their funniest. IMO, "Everything" is NOT AT ALL about sexual cheating. It's about what writers call "dramatic irony": a character in a story is completely unaware of what is obvious to everyone in the audience. Here's a guy who's not so much interested in the fact that he's been betrayed as in hearing all about it. He's a voyeur, in every sense of the word; SD undercuts even the threat to "shoot the lover down" by following it with "ARE you gonna tell me everything you did, baby?" He's using a threat as LEVERAGE to get what he wants: all the juicy details. It's no accident SD ends every line that way, and the way the wording changes slightly each time emphasizes the point. Even the neighbors aren't immune: "You know how people talk--I wonder what they say". And he projects his own voyeurism on them:"Turn up the Eagles:the neighbors are listening."
The punch line of the song comes at the end when, after making it clear to everyone except himself what a filthy mind he has, gives her a catty parting shot: "I know your filthy mind."
I'm soliciting opinions here. Do other people find this song as funny as I do? Or is it just perverse to you, like "Everyone's" seems to me? Or does it hit you a different way?Dr. Mu of the famous Asbestos Flamesuit, help me out--you're one of the resident lyric experts here--
Name: Clas
International Y.M.C.A. Liasion Officer
Location: Geenatown,
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 05:58:55
Comments:
Minah! I like the hats and I love your music! You are a real musician! Thank you so much.
And the Bag Balm!
You should have seen Pompes face when I told him that the Bag Balm was for his penis if he ever gets the catarrh again. He cried and said that yankees are the best in the world and if anyone EVER says something stupid about yankees he will bite the person in question to death! (ooooops!!!)
You're his fave yankee now.
Geena - my amore! Jag älskar dig så in i helvete mycket! Could you please come over here and help me with some work? Wheeh, I'm not used to this shit yet.
Is there anyone here who can help me with a question I have? My son visited us the other day and as usual he brought some CD's. I was taking a nap and I heard Count Basie-tunes with singers. Half a wake, half a sleep I heard someone sing to the big band; "...there aint nothing in Chicago that a monkey woman could do...". What is that? Did the Dan "steal" that too?
Name: TOZEKE
@tom who?
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 01:04:41
Comments:
(I HANG)on your every word!
Name: irish upon a star
@by my name
Date: Saturday, August 8, 1998 at 00:54:27
Comments:
WANT AD:i'm looking for some "clas".
Name: little o'me
@greatness
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 23:57:16
Comments:
tell me something please, mr.becker and mr.fagen, those
women of yours, are GODDESSES!!!better keep an eye on
them. need i say more? o, one more thing, did "gaucho"
have anything to do with a "certain HERB?", maybe AL...
would know, PERTanent question, got to know.
Name: steely fan
fez@biscayne bay
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 23:32:10
Comments:
Who has the cuervo?
Who has the Fine Columbian?
Name: oleander
Michael O.
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 22:05:45
Comments:
Kinky--I've got calluses on my knees from begging you! Come fest with me! Look--I even put you first.
Roy--...VERY interesting. Great Band story. All those tunes you named I'm very fond of, a lot of them much more because of the lyrics than the music. I loved them more when they became less opaque to me. The two songs I skip over--though it's not that I don't LIKE them--are "With A Gun" and "Charlie Freak." Those bells put my teeth on edge and I can't hear anything else. For me in general the songs are all part of a holographic image; each reflects the whole and vice versa, and I hear it all--the history, the quirks, the influences, the experiments, the genius--in each one of them.
jon--hey man! Missed you!
Docta Mu--I hear a little melted butter will really limber up those thermasuits. I know where you can get some. (BTW--reminds me of the stillsuits in "Dune.")
Rose--fezo is on a junket to lose his Southern accent. He'll come back sounding like Cary Grant at least. I was just teasing about the trollop gaffe.
Geena--there have always been aesthetic rebels in every civilization. What a great idea for a book--probably been done--to map the artistic declasses (sorry no accents) in different cultures.
Pat--I still have "Punch The Clock" on vinyl, and used to listen to it often. I like Elvis a lot, but he's too damn prolific--makes him seem facile. I felt the same way as you about "Shipbuilding."
YGK--Always felt that way about W. Marsalis too, including when he played here--left me with a kind of vacant feeling. However, he has an incredible axe--a Monette. Good story.
Stranger--ah, mon ami, if my prescription was not enough, there is no more I can do. I'll just have to slink into my corner and listen to Jim Hall's "Concierto" or Eric Dolphy's "Conversations" and cry in my Cuervo....
Cultural notes: A travelling exhibit from the Whitney is here--early 20th century American paintings--and damned if the Dan didn't even follow me there. There was one sort of primitivist painting by Niles Spencer called "Seventh Avenue," and another by Reginald Marsh from 1927 called "Ten Cents A Dance." The latter depicts some vamping, voluptuous vixens giving the viewer the come-hither look in a stylish club. I could hear a big band strike up "Aja" in the background. Actually, they all have this weird blank carnivorous look in their eyes which made me think of "Tomorrow's Girls." Am I obsessed, or what?
Name: rubybaby
cows @re people, too
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 19:40:16
Comments:
Geena: You're as sweet as Tupelo honey; an angel of the First Degree.Tomorrow's Girl: Keeping one's innocent point of view in this world is not easy. But in the case of Rikki I think it's safe to assume that they just wanted provocative cover art. Legs, high-heels, and something being stashed in a stocking are all sexy, right? Joints were the In Things in the 70s. 80s and 90s too, but they were REALLY in back then. What do you think of my rap idea?
I heard that song again. The group is called Coolie Race and the song is called The Wages of Sin. There's steely dan music in there!
rb
Name: Geena
justloveFridays
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 18:36:41
Comments:
Stranger: I knew I'd forgotten that group. That was incredibly poetic, do you mind if I call my dayplanner people and submit that? You pick the day of the year!
"before beatniks there were bohemians. before yuppies
there were human beings"Schwinn: Moi? Took YOU by surprise? Glad I made your day! I knew you were doing time for pulling that bunco job. Geena is cognizant of your existence at all times. I had to pull a few strings to cut short your sentence; Angelo "One Eye" Scarafalo owed me a big favor so he schmaltzed a few Pentagon palms. And, that was me on the Big Bike waiting for you upon your release camouflaged as an intergalactic cephalopod. I'll do anything to save the world from the scarcity of your polished demeanor and ultimate coolness.
I'm inviting you and the lovely lisa to my crop circle cookout, bring your trumpet! Love you babe! Sending those flying smoochies back at you!Countzir0: awwww shucks, now you made me blush!
MMcDonald Fan: stick around it gets even more "bizzah".
Rose Darling: like this? @¿@
I'm a Virgo, hence the analytical side of me. I have a theory for just about anything. Let me guess and I'm probably wrong, are you a Scorpio, Taurus or Sagittarius?
I've given up on being a yuppie, I've decided to remain my daft self, it also makes people think I have lots of money in the bank
Clas: are you missing again, my love?
Name: DrMu
ain'tnodrag
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 17:52:18
Comments:
RD: "Jack of Speed," "Wet Side Story,: and "Cash Only Island" were songs that Donald and Walter tried out live while on the 1996 Art Crimes Tour. We don't know if any of these will be part of the "new one."
Eviva: Thank you. Thank you.
YGK: I wasn't aware of that damning story. I have to admit (I think we've been here before) that I was a fan during the mid 80's when he was in his Blue Miles period: Think of One and Black Codes with his brother, the animated Brandford, Kirkland, "Tain" Watts. He then released that really nice collection with his Dad Ellis, MarsalisStandardTimeIII. My point: I guess he won too many grammys at too early an age before he had mastered jazz as an art, not just a technical exercise...he thought he could do it alone without his family - that's where he lost his soul. Since then his stuff is increasingly unlistenable and just plain numbing.
Name: Kinky
smoke 'em if you got 'em
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 16:01:31
Comments:
Commendations are in order for Mr Stevie Dan Whatever for explaining the single jacket cover of "Rikki" for Tomorrows Girl. Who'da thought those stuffy Brits would have actually put out something with a (gasp) "number" on it.
Stranger - You are wrong. I'm not going to go into why you are wrong. You are what you are.
Name: meye nore
Chi nore
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 15:57:54
Comments:
Roy, you just got on not not saying it, and I'll go on not not reading it, its always a fine tale, man.
Ruby, mind the cows, if you don't mind.
Rudy, Nice work.
To Danfesters: Wish I could join you, have a great time.
Shut down the computer?
yeah, sure, why not.mW
Name: Rose Darling
@where the days and nights are not the same
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 15:09:50
Comments:
Where is fezo lately?
Geena:
upside down question mark nose: press ALTthen 168, eyes are the @ sign. Smile was a capital W.
What is your birth sign? Butting in for the fun of it but...
If you still wanna be a yuppie, you can. All it takes is the attitude to make people THINK you have a lot of money !Dr. Mu:
I've never even heard of the Jack of Speed song.Schwinn:
Your sentimental post draws me to ask:
What was this compliment from Geena that inspired you to such gratitude? Would you repeat?Tomorrow's Girl: :)
Did you ever hear the alternate version of "Everyone's...Movies" included on the Citizen Steely Dan cd set? You're right that the lyrics are perverse (but no worse than "Everything You Did.")
However, the musical arrangement of the alternate version is cool indeed. By the way, keep up the analyzing. The only overanalyzing is when it become ANALyzing, har har har !!!Stranger:
Classic rock listeners enrolling in nursing homes? Jeez, I'm not ready to go there yet. And I can count my gray hairs on 1.5 hands. How old are you anyway? I was getting the impression that countzirO was the baby of the book so far.Steve V:
I don't exactly hate E. St. Louis Toodle-oo. If I did, I would truly make more of an effort than I previously have of jumping on the skip track button of my remote. It is educational, at best. But definitive Dan??? I consider definitive Dan including one very important musical component--the dry, nasal, sarcastic, lyrical funkiness of DF. Toodle-oo for the Dan is to me like "Frankenstein" was for the Edgar Winter Group, if ya know what I mean. And tone that caffeine down there mister ! (tee hee)MMFan:
Hello. Stick around this GB and once you steer around or even straight through the bizarre, you will find enough interesting to hook you. Can't say I'm a big fan of M. McDonald although I think he did some killer background vocals for the Dan. As for the Doobie Brothers, I always liked Tom Johnston the best.Roy Scam:
Man ! NOW I feel left out. The Bienville Grill sounds good.
(Wish I was coming.) Also, I find "Brooklyn" to be sort of a lame, atypical Dan song but I like David Palmer's smooth vocal track on it anyway.St. Al:
Thanks for the updated web sites list.Shalom, you race of angels !
Name: RUDy
fuckin MAD DOG
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 14:59:24
Comments:
[vox:"animal" from the muppet show]
AAARGH! LIQUOR! ME WANT LIQUOR! HARD STUFF!
ANIMAL WANT T O&NBSP&NBSP&NBSP C O D E !YAH!YAH!YAH! RE-F0RMAT! RE-FORMAT!
AAAAAARGH!
ahem. think I'm ready for that Phish show now..............rudY
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Location: Danville, VA
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 14:18:43
Comments:
Just got back from the local bookstore where my girlfriend works. She had ordered a copy of "Steely Dan Complete" for me that came in yesterday so I picked it up. Probably not the best source for their music but I think it's going to be pretty cool for getting down the rhythym parts. I hate tab anyway. Soooooo, now that I'm all caught up I guess I'll see what I can do.....now where the hell did I put that guitar?
Name: Roy.Scam
if.the.dress.is.a.mess.you.must.confess
Date: Friday, August 7, 1998 at 14:03:41
Comments:
St. Al: Love the website changes, especially the Guestbook intro. Reminds me of the old BeeGee's song "Edison". Was that a bizarre, quirky song or what? On the subject of the Duck-In: Please define 'hard stuff'. I'm looking at a menu on www.va-beach.com/duck-in/menu.htm which lists mixed drinks, beer, wine, liqueurs. On Friday nights, they have a Beach Party with dancing