Rikki tikki tavi: That's disgusting. Wait, actually, no. It's kind of hot.Lew Chang: Dunno about any out of U.S. release dates, the official page isn't saying, and I wonder why. I just bought my friends in Sydney the Sopranos soundtrack, because they couldn't purchase it over there.
Mock Turtle: I don't think 'dopest' is as dated or forced as 'homie,' homie had a good run from 1990-92, but really didn't have it's day in the sun. Holmes had it's time, and homeboy for a while, but dope is still alive and strong. Pertinent and soulful heading into the new millenium.
DrMu:
Elton has all the tools, I don't think he'll be as good as Malone, but who knows? What I love is the body. He's short for a power forward, 6'8", but those hands are huge, and he has the arms of a man a foot taller. These are the bodies legends are made of. I thought he'd have hit a wall the size of Carmine Appice's Fu Manchu, but Elton's just now hitting his stride, his best stretch of the season. Eldon's rolling now, most every night.
Altamira: I almost have lips like Donald, not quite as big but they get the job done. I try to purse and pimp them out as much as possible too, try to look more like a rock star than I actually am. Funny about depression, I reckon I'm hitting my first real depressed time of my entire life. Weird. I've never really been upset about anything, ever, but little things are starting to add up and it seems like nothing is working well.
Not cool, but we'll see how this works out.
I'd like to say that my attraction to Liz Phair, Diana Krall, Lauryn Hill, - et al, is purely intellectual. But it ain't. They've written/sang some of my favorite songs, but it doesn't mean that it stops me from thinking that they're hot. Sorry.
Phoebe from 'Friends' too.
no record reviews yet.
I have the ultimate cure for depression. Do as I did if you are in the U.S move to Phoenix,AZ,Start a exercise program, cut out 90% of the carbohydrates in your diet and take a daily dose of the Dan. It works I have suffered from depression all my life and since I have taken charge of it my depression is non existent. The sun is an incredible drug it sustains me."The wind was driving in my face the smell of prickly pear"!
Kevin.
Sorry about all this shit!!
Diane: You're closer than you know to the true origin of the band's name
One Question!, if the new SD album is released in the US of A on Feb 29, when will Australian fans get our hands on it??
Just a quick question! if the new SD album is released on Feb 29 in US of A, when will us poor souls in OZ get our hands on it???
Sorry, I forgot one question,! if the new album is released on Feb 39 in the US of A, when do us poor souls in Oz get our hands on it??
hey, it's been fun, but i have to go back to my cage at a.m.s-d now (doctor's orders... you know what doctor i'm tawkin). besides, it's far too sexy here. whoa, did you know these guys named themselves after a *dildo?!!!!* wow. that empire state building is starting to look mighty... er... interesting. no wonder everyone in manhattan is so horny, all these phalluses all around. phalli? phallii? at least now i know where ann disappeared to (i think she likes you better) and why the pages of my kama sutra are stuck together and why, if god or satan says you can only have one friend, you should get a duck, and get a duck quick, and last but not least, i was wondering how to handle that pesky problem of writing the year that follows 1999... do it St Al's way: 19100.be good and at least wait until i'm out of the room to start gossiping about me.
love and kisses
diane
oh my god, they killed 'jack of speed!'
FANOFDAN & Mr Chow!, { you may already know} tune your sets to SBS on thursday night 7.30 Steely Dan are featuring on the Album Review!! .Don`t miss it!.......Havent see or herd from you guys for a while, what`s been happening??........The SD video is still copping a hideing!!.....Bye!
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/tan000118/two.ram
I love 11TOW; don't you love how W uses the word 'dopest'? The only thing weirder than that would be DF saying 'homie'.
A couple of questions are rolling around in my head and I can't seem to shake them:Question A: Are Steely Dan Ladies the horniest creatures on the planet? Okay, some flirtation and innuendo should be expected, but I must admit that I'm somewhat surprised at what I've been reading lately. Sexual fantasies? Mounting positions? Double D batteries? Goodness gracious! I think it might be illegal to view this site in North Carolina, Florida or Utah.
Question B: Why are the women on the DanCam always barefoot? And does the answer to Question B have anything to do with Question A?
(What A Shame About) m.e.
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/tan000118/negativegirl.ram
And for my next trick, I'll steal the soul from "Jack of Speed." Thank you, thank you very much.
fezo: Almost forgot. You should start with the self titled debut. Be set for the history of American music comin' at ya fast and furious. Then Whatever, then Reinhold Meissner to hear the progression. There have been numerous comparisons with the Dan. Besides prominant keys and jazz influence, I haven't heard a lot of similarity until Reinhold Meissner vs. Almost Gothic. The connection is Burt Bacharach.
fezo: get in line for Chely...her toe wiggling drives me crazy!
No more true point could be made regarding Crowded House (second coming of the mid period Beatles). If we Americans had really wanted that stuff, they were the guys. Great lyrical songs and rhythm section.KD: It's hard to tell how superb Elton Brand is at the NBA leve since 'da Bulls are so bad...but he's impressive for a college junior!! His rebounding has been rugged and the scoring is picking up. He seems like a Wes Unseld with a better offensive repertoire. If he can develop that 20 ft jumper, he could be a Karl Malone with superior inside skills.
Almost Gothic and West of Hollywood are truly manna from heaven! The sound new and fresh - a bit on the line Fagen was going before the writer's block. If there were any doubt it's completely cured!! Donald's vocals sound stong and clean - when he harmonizes with himself along with background singer(s), it is truly magic!
The bridge on Jack of Spped is maneuvered beyond belief - fabulous. Janie Runaway has me tapping my toes and rolling on the floor at the same time. "the wonderwaif of Gramercy Park"
"first she's all buzz, then she's noise free"
"this house of desire is built four-square"
"the opposite of an aerial view" - it seems there was a bit of this going on at the PBS taping!!RubyBaby: at least there are TWO people that we know of who can still write!
Mitch: Letterman!!!! At least you can't kill a by-pass patient for at least 3 years once they've recovered from surgery. Certainly no reason for other guests. OK, here's the schedule we desire:
11:35 (ET) Monologue
11:45 BS with Paul
11:50 Top Ten List
12:00 West of Hollywood
12:09 Chat with Walter and Donald
12:22 All participate in Rudy vs. Hillary mock fight with Kewpie dolls
12:27 Cousin Dupree
12:35 Goodnight while playing Do It Again...sizzling like an isotope... (pointless nerd comment: I assume they mean the radioactive ones since most are not)
Beast w/o a Name - Speaking of Barrytown, I looked a map a while back and discovered that Amtrak's Adirondack and Maple Leaf trains actually go through Barrytown, although they no longer stop there. I've ridden on both trains and didn't notice Barrytown, but my Danfandom was in dormancy then. Next time I take the train up that way, I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled for Barrytown (it appears to be the first town after Rhinecliff, where Amtrak does stop).Ballah - I took Prozac for a while; the only effect I noticed from it was that it made my eczema (inherited from my father) a lot worse. I got tired of having painful, red rashes on my face and stopped taking it; I've been much happier with St. John's Wort - fewer side effects, and cheaper, too. Is your depression tied in with lower levels of light, the condition known as SAD ( seasonal affective disorder)? If so, certain types of artificial light are supposed to be quite beneficial. I'm thinking about looking into that myself - I found that I felt much livelier today for no other reason than that the sun was shining. Light can have a profound effect on us. Best of luck in finding the right level of medication; it can be tricky to find what works best for you.
RE: Ben Folds Five recommendations: It's hard to go wrong with any of them. I own all but their first. Whatever and Ever Amen is excellent. Naked Baby Photos is also excellent. Their latest, last year's Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner is also great, but different from the previous efforts in that is a concept album with some really weird tracks (Narcolepsy being the least listenable IMHO). Ben Folds Five are awesome... definitely one of the only decent new acts to emerge from the music scene during the 90s. They will be covering "Barrytown" on the "Me, Myself and Irene" soundtrack this summer.BFF has only four releases to their name, I believe. You should just go out and get them all.
I am really sorry that I have been acting like a total idiotthe doctor says that my prozac level needs to come down 75 mg per dose
thank you for your understanding
Miz D... just a small attempt at ironic humor..which we're all no stranger. No actual mean spiritedness intended.Dig This... thanks for providing the listening links. The live versions definitely have alot more kick and bite. While the studio tracks sound excellent, you'll find that the versions from the live tapings will add the dimension of urgency that can only come from a performing band. It will be great to have both to choose from when the time comes.
John G... thanks for the nice reference on your site!
If you haven't gone there already, The Steely Dan Internet Resource already has a full report of Saturday's taping, complete with images. Kudos, John !
hey, if sexual fantasies about musical heroes are going to be a topic here, can i post some about me and Chely Wright?i need a Ben Folds Five recommendation. which of their discs should be first in my collection?
ole: i knew it was Prince you were talking about. my favorite song off the same album is "Something In The Water". Great angst throughout.
OMIO--mmmmwithya on SD as poets & lyricists. Needless to say that's one of the things that turns me on most about them. There are very few others with anywhere near as rich and complex a lyrical sense. Dylan is one.John, Andy, Diane, St. Al--it's you got me sighing at the moon. Wonderful reports that make it vivid. Excellent harbingers of spring and eclat for the Dan.
RB--oh, I meant Prince's "Delirious." Dare you not to move to it!
Mitch--thanx for the Billboard tip. Those words are burning in my mind: "world tour in June...."
minah--you sneaky rascal! That's dedication, braving the Right Coast for Steely treasure.
Diane--um, would you direct me to the chapter of the Kama Sutra that deals with that slipping thing? I think I need some visualizing help.... Just the reference, thanks, so no one gets offended....
Uncle Dupree - Hmm, last time I checked, I was the only lesbian around here. I've admitted that I find Donald attractive, but I do have a bisexual side of me that I don't indulge very often. A lot of straight people have a bisexual side that they tend to be even less likely to admit to. And if I somehow did end up going to bed with Donald, I'd still be interested in women; it wouldn't ultimately change anything. I primarily am interested in women, but I find Donald kind of hot, and have for many years; so what?Babylon Sister - Donald does have a great face, in addition to his other charms. And he is the only male popular singer I enjoy listening to. I'm glad he apparently sounds better than ever, from the reviews I've read of the taping.
KD - You have lips like Donald? Wow, women must really be after you! I would suppose that Walter would be fun to hang out with; he does come up with all those clever comments, but he has that temper, too - I'd be afraid of saying the wrong thing and making him mad. And I'd love to have an opportunity to chat with Donald - I'd like to discuss his ideas about music and also, if he were willing, his experience with depression, something I've experienced also, and the connection between perfectionism and depression. Actually, I'd rather talk with him than go to bed with him - my attraction to him is primarily intellectual. And, judging from what I've read of his writings, he probably tells great stories.
Diane - Yes, I've noticed also that Donald has aged far faster than Walter. He's only two years older than Walter, but he looks maybe a decade or two older. Walter finally seems to be catching up a bit; he has a few lines on his face and his hair is starting to go gray, but he still looks considerably younger than Donald. But I think that Donald still exhibits quite a lot of energy, stud-like or otherwise, despite his older appearance. Getting older doesn't mean a diminution of faculties until one is considerably older than 52; from what I've read, Donald seems to be going great guns right now, it sounds like he's full of energy these days and perhaps reaching his artistic peak. I'll admit that Walter has his charms as well, though. Thanks for your wonderful posts, by the way. I read the newsgroup every now and then, but not as often as I read the GB.
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http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/tan000118/gaslighting.ram
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/tan000118/jackofspeed.ram
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/tan000118/janie.ram
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http://go.borders.com/features/steelydan.xcv
in a full-length version. Incredible tune!
My Dearest Let's End This Conversation,
The fact that you find Diane's fantasies disgusting tells us more about you than we might care to know. Diane's dreams of sex on the beach are certainly within the boundaries of good taste. No gerbils, painful apparatuses or force. I can tell you that I used to lunch often with the British royal family, and Diane's musings would be perfectly within the bounaries of their royal highnesses. Same with Nancy Reagan, whose stories of Sinatra, though always flattering to her, also contained elements of sand and side action.
I don't listen to the radio. What are these two things and how do I get them?
Album Network syndicated radio special.
Rockline
And what are their web pages?
I got all you girls beat! I'm gonna drop my top in front of Walter tomorrow at Storytellers. I'm going to wait til the end, of course. i hope Hoop doesn't beat me to it!
hole
http://www.click2music.nl/artistdata/72/cd/cd114/rmusic28k8.ramThis site also has a full version of Two Against Nature. Definitely different but interesting.
Dear "Let's end this conversation" : Just FYI, my dear (platonic) friend Diane is here quoting/paraphrasing Walter Becker, specifically a lyric from his song "Fall of '92."If you already knew that, then I'm not sure what the problem is. But after all the crap we've had to endure from ballah/shotcallahs etc. I find it hard to understand that this is what is disgusting you, whoever you may be.
If you have already decried the ballahs etc., I apologize. But as you're using a handle I don't recognize, I have no way of knowing that.
/Miz Ducky
who rilly dislikes having people diss her friends, especially when they've just been so generous with posting reviews from NYC and all
Thanks for all great descriptions of the taping!
Sounds like a true New York experience (my father was native NYC, as is my sis in law,.. she showed me the City in '65.. Saw Dizzy Gillespie at Cafe Metropole.. long ago & far away..)
Somebody should have ripped the headphones off that camerman and
screamed "Lissenin' Heah, I'm Lissenin' Heah!!" I realize Good Manners are in short supply, but a little professionalism seems in order..
Or just dosed the fukker with a few thousand micrograms..
Encouraging to hear Donald & Walter have discovered the joys of smaller venues, and were not-so-pleased about the Suits..
God, the prison of success...
Seems their music is held hostage by The Biz, who will retain & squeeze it out to the Great Unwashed Bush Leaguers in their own sweet time..
So now we wait for PBS to edit, re-define, control, cut, trim & package the show.. Oh Joyous Day, Calloo-Callay..
YGK.. didja get my e-mail? Got a potential airing in my neck of the woods.. stilwell@efn.org..
Mitch: I take it that Billboard's online web version doesn't have that content, huh? Looks like I must head off to Borders/B&N/whatevah to see if I can score an ish of the dead-tree edition -- they do sell 'em there, right? I hope?Ruby baby: right, Lost Wages ... this is around Plan G or H, right? A Danvention around a (hoped-for) SD tour date in LV? It's been awhile since last we mentioned. But yeah, I could get into some space with my fellow Tomorrow's Grrls too -- then I could go on about certain topics without embarrassing folks ... ;-)
Beast w/o A Name/petern: All joking above and below aside, I am sincerely sorry if I crossed your threshold tolerances in any way. I fear we may eventually have to "agree to disagree" about where lines are drawn, though, because for me SD is definitely a full-entity experience (mind/body/soul), and, well, I experience it that way. I just hope you don't stop reading anything I post just because one or two (or three or four) were a little on the randy side. I think -- I *hope*!!! -- I've demonstrated that I am a fully-rounded individual (and quite a nice person too).
Even though my role-models do include Mae West as well as Thomas Pynchon, Hunter Thompson as well as Elie Wiesel ...
And the Guyz. Never do I forget the Guyz ...
/Miz Ducky
who is, at base, nobody other than herself, especially at 43 and still rising
"diane <-- had it slipped to me sideways on the beach by WB (in my dreams)"Diane, no offense, but I don't think you realize how disgusting it is for us to have to read that.
I don't understand. Are some of you lesbians trying to say that if you fucked Donald or Walter you wouldn't be gay anymore?Bang them silly girls...but leave a nasty bite!
UD
Todays edition of Billboard magazine has 2vN on the magazines back page. STEELY DAN IN THE 21st CENTURY 2/24 Album Network syndicated radio speical. 2/29 Late Night with David Letterman March- 3-1 Rockline Speical 3-1 (Premiere) PBS " In The Spotlight" April VHI Storytellers June World Tour Begins
J Williams:hey, speaking of Rikki, can you get me Peter Vecsey's phone number?
diane: c'est ne blushe pas. I just have too much time between classes and I think of wacky things.
I used to think Elton Brand would be the next Paul Silas, but now I'm thinking bigger and better things are in store for him.
I've loved and admired the dans of steel since my old school days. Thank God for fez wearin' show biz kids who never lost that number.
KD...
ooooh, i get it. duh.
None of these "check your local listing" suggestions work when you have satellite. And my monthly guide for my Primestar/Direct TV lists my PBS station as "PBS National". Whatever the hell that means. I hope it means that I'll still get to see it. Will they be working with the Muppets or Mr. Rogers at all? Maybe they can perform a command performance for King Friday. Or maybe while jamming with Oscar, they could be the only humans to ever see Snuffeluffogus.cabin fever has set in.
Later,
Herm
d:I know about 2-20, it's his birthday by way of all the estrogenic yearnings over him on the GB today.
ANd thanks for your great reviews.
Diane, I think you'll find that its "sex, drugs and jazz fusion".
contain those feelings you are having. thank you for the site, but still don't know much about the storytellers. the vh1 website is no help. oh, and don't you just love donalds strong features. he is definately someone who came with it with age.
but, all in all i think it is his voice that drives me nuts.
i get butterflies when he sings certain lines. just like in doctor wu when he sings "imagine my surprise when i saw you".
girlz can ya feel em.shake it
amy
Walt's birthday is 20 Feb.d
may I suggest the movie "The Cutting Edge?"a classic.
Happy Birthday Walter!
oleander: "they" means Steely Dan!
diane writes,
"What the fuck! It feels like I'm *working* here! So I decided just to enjoy the show as much as possible without detailed notes."That was a good decision. I believe that people in general aren't *living in the moment* enough, me included. You gave us excellent reports anyway! Hats off to diane!
Kent: you bastard! Why didn't you tell me you were going to the taping? I could have sworn we were close enough to share great news like that. And I'm not the jealous type. I would have been overjoyed for you! (sniff, wipe tear, sniff again)
tom,dirt creature: Delerious is a band from England. Start with "The Cutting Edge." It's a fully-loaded 2 cd set.
aja: you might enjoy it, too.
Oleander: I'd love to hear the "Delerious" tune you dance to. I have a feeling it's not the same one I was speaking of. But your taste is so fine, I know I'd dig it! Come to Vegas if they play there.
Mz Ducky: you thoughtful bird! thanks for the pbs site. Can't check march til tomorrow... Coming to Vegas, too? I want some Steely Dan Girl time!!
rb
Pete wrote:"May we please dispense with this gerontophilic fantasies?"
huh?
I will certainly curb my urges at this point, but Pete, never forget: it's "drugs-sex-rock/n/roll."
And drooly fans can't be faulted for lusting. If they didn't want us to lust after them, they wouldn't write *those* lyrics. You know the ones I'm talkin' about.
diane <-- had it slipped to me sideways on the beach by WB (in my dreams)
I forgot WB is all about the clean living now. My bad.Exciting times, these are.
I think the guys want to look like Donald more than they do Walter, whether it gets them kisses or not. At least I do. He's got that Deacon Detachment that some of us love. Plus, I nearly have his lips.Now, as far as who I'd want to have dinner with and/or get drunk with...WB hands down. To say nothing of a marathon guitar jam or someone to spin records with.
Wearing jeans for the first time in years, mark your calenders...
May we please dispense with this gerontophilic fantasies?
Amy/Babylon Sis:Oh! I thought you saw the post I already did some ways down, giving the official PBS page about the show that will result from the tapings:
http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/winspring/steelydan_spotlight.html
It gives a ton of detail about the show (part of the "In the Spotlight" series, NOT "Sessions at West 54th" as previously speculated by many including moi); that the NYC airing will be March 1st; and that you gotta bug your local PBS affiliate to find out when they're airing it because every local PBS station makes up their own schedule.
Trust me, y'all. Hit this link. It'll explain much if not all.
/Miz Ducky
My local partner in crime, Diane/Jackofdays wrote:"Miz Ducky would have *known* this except for the fact that she's so totally in love with Donald, her ears are completely stopped up with the lust stuff, and she didn't hear me proclaiming. Right? Right, Miz Ducky? Hello? Can you hear me?"
Ulp. [glyph of sheepish expression] As charged, guilty as fuck.
Why else, when both the Guyz are on my concert video, do I persist in referring to it as my "Donald porn?"
Though now that you mention it, Diane, I do recall you saying something of the sort about Walter. Though since it might have been around or just after New Year's, it might have been something other than, uh, pheremones, yeah that's right, pheremones fogging my brain ... like maybe a whole buncha Wild Turkey 101 and/or its aftermath ...
I still think your Walter-thang is cute, grrlfriend, no matter when it started or when you tried to tell me. :-)
/Mam'zelle Daphne Canard
bemused at how booklike she can be readP.S. And I wouldn't throw Walter out of bed either, to tell the truth--waddya think, I'm crazy? Wait, don't answer that ...
:-) :-) :-)
ok everyone who went to the taping, i think it is great but, you are making me jealous as shit. when are both tapings going to air? i think i asked this question earlier and got no response. i just want to see it myself. if i miss it i will surely dieshake it
amy
My local partner in crime, Miz Ducky wrote:
"My one consolation for not being there in NYC myself is the knowledge that I'll be able to (at least try to) pump Diane for every last blessed detail of the event when she gets back to the Rainy City.Oh yeah, and since she seems to have developed the hots for Walter, that leaves Donald for MOI! heheheheheh ... "
and then Ruby Baby wrote:
"thanks diane!
I'm not surprised you saw that Walter was hot. I saw that in 96 from way up in the nose-bleeds!"Now, let me set the record straight here. I've always had a thing for Walt, but it turned into a full-fledged passion when I bought 11 TOW. True story: 11TOW was on my CD player night and day and night for weeks after that first listening, even all night long while I slept, or tried to sleep. I'd dream and awaken to images from Surf and/or Die, or Little Kawai or my fave, This Moody Bastard. After listening to the Dan for decades, this was the first time I realized exactly how important WB was to the chemistry. I was spellbound. Okay, I was obsessed, okay? Okay? Okay!!!
I'm over that now. Sorta.
Not to be rude, but while DF ages visibly each time I see him, WB still has that smooth-stud energy, and it's increasing. He's older, but age suits him. From a strictly he-tickles-my-female-stuff point of view, it's always been Walt for me.
Miz Ducky would have *known* this except for the fact that she's so totally in love with Donald, her ears are completely stopped up with the lust stuff, and she didn't hear me proclaiming. Right? Right, Miz Ducky? Hello? Can you hear me?
See? I told ya.
I need Walter and I need him all day long.
And now we return you to your regular programming...
diane <-- has a tongue in her cheek ya know
fourth and final part of Sony taping review:So, where were we? Ah, yes, they were about to perform Peg, which they did, and it was as great as all the other tunes that night. I really would be critical if they hadn't sounded good or had really fucked something up, but they didn't. The entire performance was nearly flawless. I do believe they sound as good now as they sounded 25 years ago. In some ways, of course, they sound even better. Walter gave his second really great guitar solo of the night on Peg, and even without Michael McDonald's great harmonies, it was great.
Right behind me in the dark, the assistant cameraman had been barking directions into a microphone all night. I'd met him earlier when I'd come back and asked if I could sneak in next to him and take a few shots of the venue, before the band took the stage (we talked f stops and shooting the moon and Nestor Alamendros <--sp.). He was wearing headphones, and I don't think he realized how loud he was talking.This time he was yelling into his mic, "You wanna start on the drums this time? You wanna start on the drums?" in a thick accent that identified him as being from Brooklyn. Don looked at him but he didn't even notice, so DF replied, in perfect Brooklynese, "I don' know. Whadda fuck?" shrugging his shoulders and grinning big, all this completely lost on the camera guy. One more shrug and a "Jeeezuzzz Chris'," and we were all rolling in the aisles laughing. The camera guy never caught on, not for a second. He was too wrapped up in his gig.
FM was next, a big but pleasant surprise to me. I tend not to try to figure out how other people think (at least not to the extent of wondering what songs they might play), but their setlist makes a lot of sense for a band that has a small, muscley horn section, so FM was a logical pick.
The taping of the next song, What a Shame About Me, was the only "low" point of the night. The cameras became incredibly obtrusive at this point, swinging in and out a whole lot, in wide arcs that really seemed kind of dangerous. I saw DF move his head sideways once to avoid a camera, and he looked annoyed. On this song, which he sings so beautifully on the album, he was now straining, although he was hitting all the notes dead-on. Maybe because of the camera distractions or some other technical goof, the backup singers were singing a little flat, just about a quarter-step off, and it was as unpleasant for me as fingernails on a blackboard. John Harrington redeemed it with his great guitar solo, and it's a wonderful, wonderful song (and apparently, officially the next single), but the evening was pretty much over when this song ended.
DF went back to the F-R and explained that usually they'd go offstage and then come back and do another, then go offstage and come back, but because this was a taping and not a show, they were going to do one more song and then leave.
They finished with Pretzel Logic, which was a little too poignant way to go out, for me. It's always been one of my faves, and DF interpreted it faithfully, hitting all those high notes just like he used to. At the break, the backup singers split up the lines:
Cynthia Calhoun: I stepped up on the platform
Carolyn Leonhart: The man gave me the news
Victoria Cave: He said you must be joking son/where did you get those shoesAnd then they all kind of vamped on the remaining line and all around it. It was very cool.
It all built to a thundering climax and a grateful, almost shell-shocked, standing ovation. Even though Don had said there wouldn't be an encore, the crowd stood and clapped to the point of pain. The cameramen were egging us on to clap more and louder, and the front rows did, which made the back rows think they were coming back. But they didn't.
I don't know about anyone else, but I was spent. I felt like a kid again--a kid who'd put everything she had into the one-nighter of her life. I dawdled around arranging my coats and my bags, basking in the afterglow, hoping no one would come up and talk to me and ruin that moment that might not ever come again. I was so caught up in my reverie I didn't even notice that where I was standing, next to part of the structure that holds the tracks for the crane dolly, there was an official setlist, kind of beat-up and folded, with tracks crossed off that they weren't going to perform that night--Hey Nineteen and Negative Girl. I picked it up, of course, and stuffed it in my bag. It was garbage to them, but priceless to me.
Later on, at Le Bar Bat, I took it out of my bag to check it against my own list. I noticed it had some writing on the back--a love note from the camera crane operator's girlfriend, who'd been sitting right there as he'd swung that camera around Don & Walt's heads, so close they had to duck: "You're the Baryshnikov of crane," she had written.
love and kisses, live from new york
diane
this is part 3 of 4 of my Sony taping review:Okay, here's my last report on the show, plus this disclaimer: if you don't get the information you need here, maybe one of the other newsgroupers who attended can provide it. There were a few of us there, and I'm pretty sure we all paid attention to different things for different reasons.
Also, you may want to check the guestbook at St. Al's site (Under the Banyan Trees... I don't have the URL here as I'm floating--someone else can provide). There are people who post there and never post here, and vice versa, and a bunch of St. Al Aficianados were present and .. er... well, okay, accounted for. They are a rowdy bunch, I tells ya.Part Three of my two-part disclaimer is that I was writing along in my little notebook in the dark, trying to capture the feel of the thing, plus details, names, the setlist, when suddenly I said to myself, "What the fuck! It feels like I'm *working* here!" So I decided just to enjoy the show as much as possible without detailed notes. Works for me.
Random thoughts...
(forgive me if I repeat myself; I don't have my bleary-eyed posts of this morning to refer to, and I was rather dazed, so I have no idea what I told you already) I was disappointed that WB didn't do that guitar solo on What a Shame, but have to hand it to the new guitarist, John Harrington. When you all have heard what I'm talking about, you will agree, I'm sure. He's good and smooth. I was equally disappointed that WB *does* the guitar solo on Gaslighting Abbie, which I find entirely uninteresting. He soloes on Cuz and does a great job live. Most of the other solos are handled by The New Guy, with a few exceptions, and I'm going to let some other newsgrouper review that.
For Gaslighting Abbie, Donald strapped on his Lynx and Ted Baker moved to the Fender-Rhodes. It *rocked,* including a neat little scat line sung by one of the new backup singers, Victoria Cave. Donald was turning and conducting the band (in fact, he was conducting even when he was facing the audience, as Miz Ducky once observed to me. Better than Mitch Miller.)
My heart leapt into my throat as they segued into the next tune via a great lead-in from Ted Baker on the F-R... "Do it Again..." It sounds as solid now as it did the first time I heard it, and as eerie, and as out of place in the musical world. And in a real "moment" for me, Don turned to face Walt, and the two of them acted like a coupla hard-rocking guitarists facing off in a duel, Don on his Lynx, Walt on his Fender. It was fucken hilarious. It was so appropriate--such an inside joke--to do this on Do It Again. Just a little something for the old folks in the crowd.
DF introduced Cousin Dupree as "just a little rural narrative," and the crowd howled. As soon as the first three notes plunked out on Cuz, the audience was screaming. Back in the back, people were dancing in their seats. Those in the front row wanted to dance, but they were in danger of being hit by a flying camera as crane operators swooped it in and out of the shots with no regard for human life! It was actually kind of sad--not the cameras necessarily--but the other reason why there was not more dancing in the crowd.
A Source Close To The Dan told some of us before the show that DF was very discouraged and upset about the fact that the label was giving out these passes to The Suits, rather than giving them to fans who actually *appreciate* and buy their music. That, I assume, explained the look on his face at the beginning of the show, and his occasional cynical potshots he lobbed. So in the minute-long break before Cuz, Don said, "You can dance if you want to." But nobody did--at least, nobody he could see. Me, I was dancing, back there in the shadows.
But it was Cuz that decided the show. The energy in the room changed. Everyone was happy. Even DF almost cracked a smile. Certainly, he appeared bemused.
The camera crew for Sony must have really wanted a lot of film on the performance of Cuz, because they were absolutely everywhere, including three hand-held cameras that almost completely obscured guitarist John Harrington. This caught Walter's attention, and as the applause died down he said "Apparently there's some kind of cinematic gang-bang going on over here..." to howls of laughter. We all took 20 minutes to try to get over it.
When they returned, Walt said, "Well, I'm glad we got *that* straightened out,"
and they swung into West of Hollywood, which sounded really good live, and shorter than on the CD, which is kind of the opposite of the way things usually go. Next they did Home At Last, with a great trumpet solo by Michael Leonhart and superb guitar by WB--maybe the best solo of the night.If you have any doubts about the fact that we live in a small world, it turns out the friend I'm staying with in NYC used to be Michael Leonhart's trumpet teacher at Knickerbocker's, some kind of musical summer camp (Michael, if you're reading, Brant says hi). After the show when the crowd had cleared out, there was this big wad of Danfans kind of looking lost at the foot of the stage. That's when I took the opportunity to ask Don's keyboard wrangler what that thing was he plays. I turned to rejoin the group and spied Michael Leonhart standing right near me, so I touched his arm and told him how beautiful I thought his solo was on Almost Gothic--short, but beautiful. We chatted for a few minutes, but I wish I'd know he'd once been a student of Brant's!
Kid Charlemagne was smokin', but I'm sorry... Larry Carlton rings my chimes forever. They almost should retire that one from the lineup. Don't hit me. You
*all* know what I mean. Nevertheless, it got a stompin' standing ovation, the first of the night. Even DF was moved. He sat back down at the F-R and said, "What a night. I'm buggin!" Then, after a pause, Walter said, "This is probably the smallest audience we've played for in the Nineties."
"It's the smallest audience we've played for since the *Seventies,*" DF retorted.
"The Ice House in Glendale," Walt concurred.
And that was the point in the show when I knew they were really pleased, that it had hit them fully how cool it was to play for fewer people than can fill the average tavern on a weekend, as opposed to huge stadia and convention centers. They were digging it, big time.
Okay, I just checked my notes and I have one more post's worth to write, so I'm gonna go have a fag and come back in a while to write it all.
stay tuned.
love and kisses
diane
Ballah: I too am eagerly awaiting awaiting the release of 2vN ,but in the meantime your excellent food, wine and sexual adventures will help break up February. I`M sure there are some people who think those type of stories are better off left behind close doors, but iIook forward to hearing them. The GB can be tough on you, if they feel you have crossed the line. The truth is we sometimes get absorbed in our appreciation of Don and Walt and you are a glass of Merlot with some imported Procuitto wrapped around some melons..........
(While I did not get to see any of the tapings)....Seeing the GBers was a blast. What a summer it will be.Most memorable moment.... Pete F. really nows how to tell a story, a real storyteller in his own right. He had a set of drumsticks from Ricky Lawson that he *made* come alive when he told the story behind the story.
...or maybe it was the weed. Since I didn't get to meet WAlter and give him the pocket-ful of joints I lovingly rolled for him (to his exact specifications --thin/crumpled), we smoked 'em.
Smoking Nostradamus....
maj©
I see someone posted two of the four parts of the review I posted to alt.music.steely-dan. I'm having internet problems and don't know if I can post the other two parts, but check out the newsgroup if you're so inclined.Because I know there are newsgroup folk and guestbook folk, I'm swinging on over here to tell the guestbookies I met how much I dug meeting them.
Pat, you're the greatest. Moonflower, you looked ***hot*** for the show (did anyone on stage give you a wink, or did you leave that to Hoops?). And Hoops... you're adorable, what can I say. You can come to my house anytime, just as long as you keep telling me how *young* I look (he's smooth, girls). Tony, thank you; you made my night. John, oh mysterious one, I've been kicking myself because we didn't talk more. Kent, you weren't mysterious, but I remember just before I left Le Bar Bat, also wishing *we'd* talk more. Malcolm, I hope things are better now; thanks awfully for the real estate tips. Quentin... you are a mensch. I don't have the words to describe how cool it was to meet and hang out with you.
Pete and Shari... wow... what a treat to meet you both, and what a coupla sports you are, opening up your apartment to that group of rowdy folk, consuming mass quantities of beer and relaxicants... and was there tequila too? Loved the photos and the memorabilia, and sailing into Le Bar Bat after. You have a friend in Seattle, anytime.
Now I gotta go do NYC (before it does me).
love and kisses
diane
hummm those in NYCNY got a great treat this weekend
thanks for the nice reports, and when does this air?
I might just have to get cable tv again, although the electric girlfriend will be incredibly jealousdon't count on all the songs being shown on the tv broadcast of sessions, anybody have an in with the show and can get unedited tapes (I'll gladly dub as many copies for GBers as needed)
Ballah - one's dating rituals with certain babe in tow are better left for your imagine and her discrete privacy not this guestbook. I am sure Michelle would love reading your description of the evening with a few other thousand people sharing away. This isn't a high school locker room.
tearful reunion in the usa, day by day, those memories fade away...
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The superb reports that have come across the wire about the PBS taping will have us buzzing all the way (29 days) to the release. This is truly a great time to be a Danfan. I`M hoping the PBS airing will serve as a vehicle for converting non believers and those unfortunate ones who have not been exposed to the Steely Ones. I was wondering if we could get a resume of the cast of players on 2vN. The names were given and a little information about them would be great..... E the cable station has nothing on the GB....
Fezo: For more on Mindy Jostyn, see (natch) www.mindyjostyn.com
Not that anyone cares or anything, but I can't wait for the new CD! now that I've had a taste of it, it's like heroin, you just want more...And not that I've ever experienced heroin, you'll have to ask Ballah about that one...
good night all!
Q: actually, it was: "What are you trying to get, some sort of post-modern crotch shot?". But funny either way.Trivia: you missed
http://twoagainstnature.com
Which of the following is not a steely dan related site?www.donaldfagen.com
www.garykatz.com
www.steelydan.com
www.rogernichols.com
www.walterbecker.com
Wish i had registered steelydan.com a long time ago. Think of the possibilities!
Hey, Ballah, is this your first piece of pie or what? I mean poon is good and everything, but Steely Dan is better, with the exception of Miz Ducky, not that I would know or anything, but she does rule. Fuck you Ballah. Steely Dan is the only good music you listen to. You pretentious asshole----no just kidding. I haven't even met Miz Ducky, and she already seems more of a woman than you'll ever meet.I used to think that Q was bad.
Hey Ballah, no offense buddy, no really,
"and ~Don says~""what are ~you~ trying to get a crotch shot"
ok,ok I'm going to bed now, sheeshQ
While Don had many great zingers and "Donisms", one of his best lines was during the second night when one of the camermen was kneeling right at his feet looking upward at him with the lens and Dan say "hey chill out man".......(pause).."what are trying to get a crotch shot ?"Walts best zinger was definately the "cinematic gangbang line"
Q
Excellent reporting, one & all!!! Thank you SO much!
poster formerly known as Tom - My friend Dave, who I've been (successfully I think) trying to turn into a Dan fan, is quite fond of the GB compilation. He has said several times that David in the Florida Room sounds a great deal like Clapton.I heard an unexpected Dan song in my local CVS yesterday - Only a Fool Would Say That. CVS does seem to favor oldies, but tends to play well-known ones.
Chris and Scott - Welcome, good to have you here.
Hutch - Congratulations on the great gig! So the Richmond Danfest is still on? Great, I'd love to go. (BTW, I finally got to see that Letterman videotape! It was great; I watched it five times. I'm looking forward to seeing it again when I get my own VCR.)
Ballah - People use acronynms instead of the whole words because it takes fewer keystrokes to type them.
Dan Steely - In my case, at least, you're right; I do have no life. I spend a great deal of time in a variety of activities, but none of them are satisfying. I feel like I haven't accomplished anything significant, and I'm having an especially bad weekend because I found out Friday that I will not be hired for that job I applied for. The job wasn't that great, but at least I would've been earning a lot more than I do as a temp, and they would have paid for my health insurance (after a while) so I wouldn't have to spend almost 1/4 of my income on health insurance any more (since I spend more than half my income on rent, there's not much left for other things). So I thought I'd cheer myself up a bit by reading the GB (I'm a few weeks behind in my reading since I've been putting in so much overtime), and it was brightening my afternoon until I came to your post, which got me to thinking again about all that I was trying to distract myself from. So now I'm going to sign off and go up to the little grocery store in the next block and buy a few things we need (I was going to go later, but instead I'll go now) - are you happy? (BTW, that toggle feature doesn't always work; I just open a second window now.)
To add to the set list thang, the second night included Jack of Speed - Donald singing - and with the 2 new backup singers it was a thing of beauty.I'll weigh in with my 2 cents on the shows later - I just got in after 8 hours sleep in the last 2 1/2 days so I'm even more incoherent than usual.
Would like to say MANY thanks to Pete & Shari - and what a blast meeting some of the illustrious characters on the GB, all of whom are too cool.
I will say this tour should blow aaway any other they've done ...........St. Al is right "the band is FAT" and playing tight as a drum.
Q
PS Tony F. and or Scott - if I stuck you with the tab for a cesear salad and 3 heine's last night - email me...........
March 1st in NYC area - "check your local listings for local programming times/dates"I think the PBS site can break programming schedules down by region
Q
So far, all I've heard is how wonderful these shows were, so when can WE see them? When are the air dates for both VH1 and PBS?
The taping. What can I possibly say about last night's taping other than that it was a truly special event. Great to see Joe Jackson among the appreciative spectators, as he is excellent in his own right, not to mention he does all of his own arranging the way our heroes do.This was the first time I've heard any of the new songs in their entirety, and to see them performed live before the album's release truly felt magical.
I was kind of hoping to see them dip into their catalogue for more tunes they haven't performed yet... such as Caves of Altamira, Haitian Divorce.. Who knows? Now that they have a full horn section, they might just get around to it by the time the tour comes our way this summer.
Now, for all of you arrangers in the know who are curious and enjoy these sort of Steely stats. The reworked arrangements of the older tunes (Warning: Spoiler ahead):
1) Do it Again had exactly the same arrangement that it had on the last tour + Roseland shows. Same altered changes..remember that A-flat over B V turnaround? Anyhow.. the difference is that instead of being in the key of E minor, the arrangement has been bumped up one halfstep to F minor (the orignal version being G minor).2) Babylon Sisters - the nineties version we know from 93 and 94
was performed one halfstep down from the original version. The new arrangement bumps it back up that one half step, putting the song in the same exact key that it was played on Gaucho.. I'm not sure if it was played this way in Europe '96 as it made it back into the setlist there.3) Pretzel Logic and Kid C - more involvement from the backup singers, who were excellent. Hell.. everybody was excellent.
St. Al is the greatest! Warm greetings to Pete and Shari. Great to meet John Granatino and Delia (holy shit! long time no speak!)
Jim McKay..the band..everyone and anyone who extended their kindness. An unforgettable evening I will never ever forget.Hope you all enjoy Tuesday's taping as well.
Pete "Monkey Boy" Noss
The PBS site lists the Steely Dan concert as a "pledge event." Just as I suspected. Time to give that pause button a good workout, I guess. I wonder what SD-related goodies you'll get if you contribute to PBS?
Good site
Friends welcome
My vote in the music influence poll went to Dylan for his electrification of the folkie sound and expansion of song-writing themes beyond the standard fare of the day. It's a long way from "Will He Still Love Me Tomorrow" [which is still a killer song in its own right] to Ezra Pound and T.S. Elliot hanging out on a rooftop somewhere. I think both of Dylan's contributions can be heard almost everyday on the radio. I wish the Beatles did have more of a influence, because then there would be similarly sounding music still being heard. But the bands like Crowded House who most captured that sound quickly faded away from the radio.I agree with the recent poster who said that our heroes don't get the credit they deserve for being such innovative songwriters. Dylan had an obvious impact on this style as I think Fagen has acknowledged. In partucular, the structure and tropical theme of "Black Diamond Bay" off "Desire" reminds me so much of "Haitian Divorce". The main action in both takes place on some far way tropical island but at the end of each song the action returns to the nararrator who is pulling the camera back on the whole scene in "HD" and flipping on the t.v. in "BDB" to hear Cronkite recount the adventure he just sang about.
Anyone know what Mindy Jostyn is up to these days? She played a major role in my favorite live version of "Deacon Blues", coming down stage right to play an amazing violin bit. I was totally transfixed. It must have at least eight years ago and I still remember it like it was yesterday.
Ruby: glad you caught the point of my special guest poster. i was worried that someone may have thought i cracked a nut . . . wrong choice of words.
I'm envious of all you guys who went to the taping. You can bet I'll be watching PBS that night.I entered my local radio station's contest, but I lost. Too bad my Steely Dan webpage wasn't up sooner...maybe i would have scrored some tix.
Oh yeah, my Dan site! I just got it up today. go to:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/7652/steelydanmain.htm
and try not to laugh. It does suck compared to some other Dan sites out there, but check it out anyway and email me with your comments.-Chris
Whose VRC is already set.
you can tape it, you just can't sell it, bitch.
It is unlawful to record copyrighted media on TV - yes, this includes "In The Spotlight" and "Storytellers." For legal and moral reasons, this should not be done. Especially since the victims are PBS and Steely Dan.
I was going to post this to my web site, but because of technical difficulties beyond my control, that ain't gonna happen for now.Wow, what a show. It was truly amazing. It could have been the best show the boys have ever played. The band was tight, Donald was in a good mood, and the acoustics in the studio were incredible. First off, I have to say that the band that Donald and Walter assembled this year is absolutely awesome. Tom Barney was excellent on bass (as always), the new guitar player, Jon Herrington, was a good addition, adding a new flavor to some of the old songs (especially "Black Friday" and "Kid Charlemagne"). And the backup singers-- labeled the "bare midriff section" by Donald were incredible, particularly Cynthia Calhoun. She certainly is a stage presence, and has a great voice. Donald said she was featured "prominently" on the new one.
The set was awesome. I'll run through it briefly, pointing out the highlights:
Green Earrings- A great way to start off the show. Donald's voice was as good as I've ever heard it.
Janie Runaway- I really enjoyed the song; the crowd didn't get into it. It doesn't sound nearly as good live as it does on the record-- but that's not to say it wasn't excellent.
Josie- They play this song every time. Typical performance, tasty solo by Walter, nice drum solo by Ricky Lawson.
Gaslighting Abbie- The crowd really got into this one. Donald's voice was great, and Walter spruced up the guitar solo a bit.
Do It Again- I usually don't like hearing this song in concert, but this performance was incredible. Awesome Rhodes, Donald's vocals were excellent.
Cousin Dupree- The crowd loved this song. Some of the people sitting around me who hadn't heard the song before actually started laughing at the line "The dreary architecture of your soul/But what is it exactly turns you off."
Babylon Sisters- From what I remember, the background singers were the highlight of this tune. Great delivery of the "shake it" lyric.
Black Friday- Really good. Jon Herrington's solo stole the show.
Deacon Blues- Amazing. Probably the best performance of this tune to date. It sounds infinitely better in a small studio as opposed to a large amphitheater.
Bad Sneakers- Rather unmemorable.
West of Hollywood- The highlight of the show. Donald was really into it and so was the crowd. Chris Potter's four minute tenor sax solo was awesome- the audience loved it.
Home at Last- Done well as always. A stage light went out in the middle of the song, so the producers had to reshoot it at the end of the show.
What a Shame About Me- This song translates really well live, at least it did in a small setting. It had a jazz club feel to it.
FM- Nice, but not a standout.
Kid Charlemagne- Donald's vocals were strong throughout the song. Great solo by Herrington and excellent piano solo by Jon Herrington.
Jack of Speed- Very strong. Walter's solo was too low in the mix. Herrington added a second (awesome) solo at the end of the song.
Pretzel Logic- Great! Donald sounded really good, Herrington's solo was really good, very different from Walter's original solo. The backup singers delivered the "platform lyric"-- Calhoun: "Stepped up on the platform" Leonhart: "The man gave me the news" Cave: "He said you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes"
Home at Last (reshoot)- The audience got into it, Donald sang well, and Walter played a nice solo.
All in all, an amazing performance. It was a who's who of Steely Dan-- I saw Roger Nichols moving throughout the studio (I'm not sure if he was engineering the concert or was just there as a guest), Libby Titus, and a few others. I hung out around the stage for a few minutes after the concert and met Tom Barney, who's an incredibly nice guy. I also spoke to a few other people who told me that there were several tracks that didn't make 2vN "in the can."
Just to give an idea about the atmosphere, almost everyone in attendance was "in the business." The people sitting around me were: Giant Records' director of advertising, an entertainment writer for the Wall Street Journal, two people from KSA, and those were just the people in my section. The only disappointment of the night was the presence of the suits; there were hardly any "real fans." And the "real" fans, (for example, the people who won the radio giveaways) were taken into the studio so late that they were seated to the side of the stage. After the band finished "Pretzel Logic," Donald told the audience that they had to reshoot "Home at Last" because a stage light had gone out in the middle of the show. He said, "Normally 'Pretzel Logic' would be a pretty cool set closer, but we have to reshoot 'Home at Last' because of the lighting problems," he then joked, "you can leave now if you want." One of the suits sitting behind me then quietly snuck out of the studio.
It was just an excellent show. The best concert I've ever been to-- bar none.
KD: I think that's Dutch, not Deutsche. Those schweinhunds (sorry, don't know any Dutch) receive tvN on the 25th!!
I don't mind that WB & DF aren't doing all the instrumental solos. To me that says they're playing smarter not harder. They're giving the music some breathing room and they're not glory hounds. Thank God I still get PBS. (got rid of the cable months ago.)fezo: I'm blushing, but Lefty looks mighty fine! If it were up to me, he'd have one of those TANs.
mz duckie: I think that old skunk baxter would wear western boots. The kind of shoes we wear gives us away sometimes, eh?
aja: I better be honest with you - I'm not that crazy about gambling, but black jack is fun for a while. It's the casinos that give me the creeps. I feel like I'm surrounded by zombies. Smoking zombies. I can handle it for about an hour tops - then I'm outta there! I won 135 at the black jack table last time, though.
Synergy is the idea that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. When there's synergy, one + one = more than two. Take Steely Dan for example...
ygk: didn't the beatles use mostly 3 chord compositions? At least in the early days?
rb
If: Here's my theory: If Amy Helm was given credit for the final sound, it's analgous to listing Steve Gadd as the author of the drum sound on "Glamour Profession" from "Gaucho."Amy Helm comes into the studio and gives puckers up a few phrases. The guys say "That's fine." Then they download the sounds onto a computer. Now with a midi-type thing interfaced with the computer John Beasley can strike a key, and each time he does that a whistle sound will be produced. He can also modulate the sound a little on his end with a knob and/or more processing can be done on the computer. It just seems very unlikely that Amy Helm could produce a natural sound with similar harmonics and noise signature as Beasley's keys.
I think it's bloody wonderful that the webmasters of all these Dan sites got ducats to the shows. They deserved it. Makes dealing with MS FrontPage almost worth it, I guess. Wonder if The Two could score them tickets to the Kings/Knicks game at the MSG this morning?I also wonder if this PBS Spotlight show will be all from the two shows. Any interviews, old clips, interviews with jilted lovers/dealers?
Regarding this German(?) 'TvN' page, can you believe someone actually used the outrageous 'new' bio? D and W have duped an entire country, though that's not exactly anything new.
safe trips back home... (have to end everything with ...)
Thank you for the Generous reports on the "Taping"...must have been sooooo cool!
Oops, should have edited better. Last bullet point in my previous posting should have read:--It's been 30 years, and the set included some very early compositions ("Do It Again" for example) along with six new songs. But the cool thing was, thanks to modifications of the old songs, all the works were "of a piece."
--John
Greetings, fellow addicts.I'm awake now and my mind is full of wonderful memories from last night's taping of a forthcoming PBS television special on the Dan, taped at Sony Studios in New York. (Special will be broadcast in NY on 3/1, the day after the new album is released. Check your local listings for a time and station near you!)
Saturday night's event ("It's like a (concert) show," Donald Fagen said, "but it's not a show, it's TV.") served as a formal public intro to many of the new songs. I will post a longer piece on my site (www.granatino.com/sdresource) later this afternoon when I get home, complete with links and some photos I took.
A coupla tidbits:
--The band features a nice combo of veteran Dan road warriors plus some "new guys." Although we have come to expect a high level of virtuosity from Dan bands, this group's abilities were off the charts. New guys Ted Baker (piano), John Harrington (guitar), Jim Pugh (trombone -- yes! trombone) and singers Cynthia Calhoun and Victoria Cave all chipped in tasty contributions. Returning players are Cornelius Bumpus (saxes), Chris Potter (saxes), Michael (trumpet) and Carolyn (vocals) Leonhart, Tom Barney (bass) and Ricky Lawson (simply monstrous once again on drums).
--No singing from Walter! Not sure what's up with that. Donald's smoky and increasingly blues-tinged voice was supplemented by what seemed to me to be the strongest backup singers since Michael McDonald. The ladies (the "bare midriff portion of the orchestra," as they were introduced by Walter) provided substantial support to "Pretzel Logic," memorable scat singing with Barney in "Gaslighting Abbie" and stunning visual counterpoint to the rather wooden stage show we all know and love from these guys.
--The band performed 18 songs, including one ("Home at Last") twice, after some of the stage lights shut off. Although this made for a nice effect, the TV producers hated it, so the song was done over at the end.
--It's been 30 years, and the songs included some very early compositions ("Do It Again" for example) along with six new songs. But the cool thing was, thanks to modifications of the new songs, all the worked was "of a piece."More later on my site, including, for those of you with a strong stomach, the first ever photo of StAl, Jim "Hoops" McKay and myself all at the same place, same time.
--John Granatino
Tonight my large spinning eye focused on all the money I invested in an education and how little was the return.The large spinning eye stopped and cried.
But no matter. With the help of Magic 8-Ball I found a girl who wanted nothing more than a rooster in her crow when she awoke.
Cock-a-doodle-doo!
Now that I'm in love I don't have time for this. You should taste her field greens! I don't know precisely where the field is but it's way too fucking green for this part of the world!
I don't even want to hide my cocaine anymore if that tells you anything. In fact, I may just flush it all down the toilet and ask for more field greens!
First time I heard the Beatles was November 1964 in my big sister's room.First time I heard Dylan was 1976 in Freshman Humanities 101.
Funny thing, I had heard Dylan (Hendrix) years before and didn't know it.
So perhaps we can say Dylan wins because he was covered so early in his career. (Though I've read he wrote "All Along the Watchtower" with Hendrix in mind....)
Move Over Rover,CD
P.S. Thanks to all 150 of you who got to hear Donny's snarl. Also to the reviewer who recognized Cousin Dupree as a big salute to incest on the slopes. Pole to pole has a whole new meaning...
Just wondering...how did all the webmasters get seats for tonight's shows?
All I can say is WOWWOW
Everybody is in for a BIG treat this Summer. The new band is FAT
WOW
StAl
This morning at 1:15AM, I heard Cousin Dupree for the very first time....and I love it! I had the radio down very low and a familiar sound caught my ears.....could it be, i said? Yes!!! It was....Since I've only heard it once, I can only say it's a light, bouncy tune, not at all what i thought it would be, but very Steely Dannish....verra nice......
Waiting patiently for the CD....
Goodnight All or should i say Good Morning?
Dylan vs. Beatles.. There is a story that Dylan got into the Beatles hotel room on their 1st tour.. Turned them on to pot & told them they had a special opportunity to be more than just
candy-boppers.. They picked up the torch, and awayyy they went, with Rubber Soul & Yesterday & Today being the turning point albums.. (love the baby-butcher cover!)..
There is also a story that Bobby Zimmerman dogged the Gutheries, telling them he had traveled with Woody, one of many , uh, (let's be nice here), Fantasies & Exaggerations he had about himself..
His way with words is obviously the stuff of legends, but songs such as Lay Lady Lay, Everybody Most Get Stoned,and some others
aren't up to his usual standards..
Besides, some musicologists say Chuck Berry's Too Much Monkey Business Goin' On was the blueprint for the style..
Dylan's musicianship hasn't changed all that much.. The music is just a background for his words.. Not an end in itself.. that's OK, but the Beatles went a lot farther a lot faster.. The distance between She Loves You & The End on Abbey Road is astonomical..
Honestly, I think Donald & Walters place as poets & lyricists has never been properly acknowledged.. They are musically superior in every respect, and their way with words is every bit as adept..
That's nothing against Dylan, The Beatles, or any body else.. OK?
Roy ~ If the post below is the real thing, then you have ears of platinum, good buddy! Whistle on!
Diane, old timer--though my heart is aching at not having been there, you guys made my day with your luscious and faithful reports.Miz Ducky--same to you for the PBS heads-up. Now to hope that our local station doesn't see fit to meddle with the schedule. I didn't know that this series began with the Dylan 30th concert, which was one of the high points of my TV music viewing ever. I kept hoping the Dan would come out and do, say, "On A Night Like This," or "Jokerman."
RB--ooh, that deep red jacquard, just like your name....
kd--me too! the hands over face routine, I mean. Panic at real life. BTW, screen-wiping necessary upon reading your description of the Dylan-vs-Beatles thread.
Mitch--Well, according to the tune list, it ain't on the new one. More's the pity, IMO. A cookin' & funny tune.
Hank & kip--ah, I knew somebody would remember it! Didn't know it was Tom Lehrer, though I should've guessed. It was one of the secret musical transgressions of my childhood. kip, I dug your little alteration!
Edd--I don't have a clue who was more influential. But to me Dylan wins songwriting, lyricism, creativity, longevity, passion, and sheer excellent volume hands down. Even if you subtract time for deaths & breakups. Can you remember where you were? I can't remember my first for either.
The whistle in Cousin Dupree is a real human; Amy "You're Not My Jackie" Helm.
Miz Ducky: Bueno, BuenoRoy: The "whistle" in the Cousin Bridge is certainly John Beasley at some kind of keyboard. I remember a somewhat similar sound on "All I Need" from the Michael Franks' "Blue Pacific" CD.
Thanks to those reports on the PBS taping - can't wait.
Hey gang--lookie what I found when I went searching around on PBS's official website!http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/winspring/steelydan_spotlight.html
Ladies and gentlemen, start your VCRs!
/Mam'zelle Daphne G. Canard
spinning her wheels while waiting ...
My $0.02
As has been discussed, Jon Herington is a fine guitarist bringing his own scorching yet tasty soloing technique to bare in both complimenting and expanding upon those who have come before him. By the end of this summer, he'll be world famous. During his blistering solo on "Kid Charlemange", several cameramen got quite close in on him. He was quite literally surrounded but he didn't miss a beat. This caused Walter to suggest... "And that was Jon Herington on guitar. Amazing, he soloed right through that cinematic gang bang we all just witnessed..." Typical Walter Becker humor. The crowd loved it.
Chris Potter was nothing short of astounding. Especially on "West Of Hollywood". Cornelius was his old reliable self. At one point during a solo, there were 4 camera guys all up and down and around his saxophone. I'm wondering what sort of effect they were going for on this one. We'll see March 1. Between solo's, Cornelius seemed particularly lethargic, just sort of slumping up there on the band stand. But whenever it was his turn to blow, he was powerful and soulful.
All the new tunes are excellent live. Fagen's voice was ON. He was snarling into that microphone all night long. He was HOT. The new tunes are sophisticated and intricate (what else is new). I especially liked "What A Shame About Me". There are several bars in where Fagen and the girls have to modulate through a seemingly endless and complex set of chords and voicings and they make it look and sound so easy. The vocals were astounding all night. As was mentioned, Fagen's voice did break up once or twice but by and large, he was focused and beligerent in his delivery.
"Janie Runaway" was great as well. Real funked up and a great lyric.
"Cousin Dupree" was a scorcher. The beat is soooo damn infectious live. Fagen suggested it was a "rural narrative". That got us all roaring again.
There was an "incident" of sorts involving some of the camera crew. After one number it got real quiet after the applause died down, just before another tune was about to begin. Someone on the camera crew yelled out some sort of camera/video related instruction to which a sneering Donald Fagen responded over the PA. "Hey what the fuck" in his best truck driver voice. Again much laughter amongst the crowd of about 150-200.
Tom Barney was magnificent as always as was Ricky Lawson. They've cut the long drum solo from "Josie" but that might just be for the "In The Spotlight" segment. Maybe they'll add it back in for the summer tour. It usually gets quite a reaction from the audience.
"FM" was great in that it features an excellent solo by both Walter AND Cornelius rather than just one or the other as it has been in the past.
The finale was a rousing rendition of "Pretzel Logic" highly reminiscent of the "New York Rock and Soul Revue" version. GREAT solo by Jon Herington and Walter on this one. It sent chills up my spine. The "where did you get those shoes" break was shared by each background singer taking a piece of it and going with it. Nice touch, sounded great.
The horns were chilling throughout. Great horn section again. I hear tell Bob Sheppard will replace Chris Potter when the Rent party 2000 bus hits the interstate in a few months...
Got a chance to hear the new one for the first time and all I can say is YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED!
This is going to be THE BEST summer tour yet! The new stuff is simply astounding live!
Stll burning...
An old timer
http://www.click2music.nl/artistdata/72/cd/cd114/rmusic28k8.ram
Cool stuff!
So glad to see everyone had a good time in NYC. I'm off to Mazatlan. I'll be the Gringo drinking Pina Coladas and playing my Ibanez George Benson. Adios Amigos
MODERATOR: MBigUS>asks: Some possible tour names, please?MODERATOR: Here's the scoop fans...
Steely: Walter: On the off chance that there were to be a tour this year, let us drop a couple of names, and see what you
guys like, OK?MODERATOR: How interactive...!
Steely: TYPIST: I suggest "The Jack Tour."
Steely: Walter: Comeback Betty '96
Steely: Walter: How's about "Rent Party 2000"
MODERATOR: ShinDig to MODERATOR: Johnny swept the playroom tour...96.
Steely: Donald: How about this? "Art Crimes '96?" Any other suggestions?
MODERATOR: Roknrol: The Dash for Cash 96
Steely: Walter: "Cavalcade of Ambiguity?" Would that be it? Or not even close?
Steely: Walter: How about "Million Dan March?"
Steely: TYPIST: That's GREAT.
Steely: Donald: How about "Sincerely, Steely Dan?"
MODERATOR: DaveS: the Royal Spam
Steely: Donald: I want to know if we're getting any feedback out there. Did anyone suggest any tour names?
MODERATOR: smokin88: Gouge-O
MODERATOR: HoopsMcCann: Steely Dan: Straight Out Of Compton '96
Steely: Walter: How about "Over Ourselves....Not '96"
MODERATOR: Looks like Compton's a keeper...
Steely: Donald: My favorite so far is "Two Against Nature."
MODERATOR: Domino: "cant buy a thrill....or a ticket"
Steely: johhn to Steely: steely dan - our bodies, ourselves
Steely: Donald: Let's have "johhn" make up a list.
MODERATOR: ShinDig: Steely Dan: Twelve Steps. The Last one is a doozy.
Steely: Donald: Let's see, we've already used "The Two Sexiest Men on Earth."
Steely: Walter: What about something like, "The Portable Steely Dan" ?
Steely: Donald: All right, let's get off the subject. Obviously no one's interested in it anyway, except johhn and Jack.
MODERATOR: New Questions anyone?
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i don't
So, a lot of these posters aren't as crazy as you think. Pretty good folks. Oh, they're still crazy, really. TAN tunes sound better live. The Show was a dream! Pete and Shari reign supreme. Next stop donny and wally play show and tell.jk
thanks diane!I'm not surprised you saw that Walter was hot. I saw that in 96 from way up in the nose-bleeds!
keep it coming -
drmu: jerry's review was like mud city. can't anyone write anymore?
rb
This guy "At the Co" is full of BS - *his* name is probably Jon Herington and he's having some fun.
At the Co - Misspelling a name is something I've learned to live with (there are about six different ways to spell Hutcheson) but it's pretty unforgivable when it get out on press releases, etc.. PR people are supposed to be paying attention to these things.
Ricky Lawson has a solo album that was released a few months ago and right on the front cover in big letters you see the names of all the famous people playing with him... including "Donald Fagan" instead of Fagen. That's pretty bad!
This is a little off-topic but I feel sorry for the guy.
Jon Herington's name somehow got mangled/misspelled in the 2vN credits and thus almost everywhere else now.
Poor guy - can you imagine-- the biggest career break of your life to date,
playing with The Dan, and you'll always have to explain: "No, really, John
Harrington is actually ME, they just misspelled it.." ! The true and correct
spelling is Jon Herington. -- pass it on.
(diane de rooij) wrote:
You know, time and time again I find my notes are inadequate to
describe an experience I had when I write about it later. That's the case with tonight's taping, too. I wanted to mention the newish players by song, but somehow it seems I've not been thorough enough. But I do think it was on Green Earrings that Ted Baker played a hell of a piano, which he did all night long, but quite a lot of the time he was on the Fender-Rhodes rather than the grand piano he started out with. He's great, and brand new to the Dan, and will be touring with them this summer. The other newcomer is John Harrington, a young guitar player Walter seems to like quite a lot. He definitely brought his own stuff to old
songs; his trial by fire had to be Kid Charlemagne, where I know I was hoping for a Larry Carlton clone. He can hold his own; his solo was his, not Larry's, but he still managed to do that little ascension back into the tune at the end of the solo using different notes with the same feel. He did, however, completely *own* Black Friday, bringing new licks and (I think) a little fuzz pedal to it. And if you listen to Cousin Dupree, the rhythm guitar licks go way up the neck, like a bell, my favorite part almost, and that's John. Walt plays that standard rock/n/roll rhythm guitar, but rather than playing it out of a barre chord, he actually fingers the whole thing. I was kind of disappointed (in a romantic sense) that Walt didn't play the guitar solo on What a Shame About Me. I had kind of fantasized that this was
the real "Steely Dan" tune on 2vN, the marriage of D&W, back
together again telling a great New York story. but that, too, was John, and a lovely solo it is. Cornelius Bumpus is not guilty of playing sax on some of the tracks where people have assumed he was playing on 2vN. It's Chris Potter on Janie Runaway *and* on West of Hollywood. The backup singers were tight, fast and sassy. Victoria Cave, the redhead, for those of you with color t.v.s (remember when people used to say that?), did a little scat line in Josie, and it was just one of those perfect moments that
went by so quick while you were still going..."whoa! that was
fine...." I was going to say something else about their performances, but I've just realized I'm dangerously close to not making sense (if I'm not there already). It's 2:30am and I spent too many hours out in the freezing wind today, so I'm going to pick this up tomorrow. It gets better. There are quips.
uh huh.....that was the thang alright....it seemed like everyone was diggin it.....in their own way....some more boistrous, some with firm reverence....
and some lyrics stood out which stated/reminded the world that the boys are back - sometimes with new subtle arrangements of classics - lyrics foreshadowing the release and its public fervor, lyrics of momentous summation"
"who makes the morning fabulous"
"go back, jack, and do it again"
"back to nyc"
"could it be that I have found my home at last"
as if they can keep on doing this for 20 more years.....I happened to be sitting near what sounded like some accountants with typical New York accents who apparently worked for SONY. When Donald said, after a partial set, "We only have 50 more songs to go"....bringing out brief hope that we would hear the entire catalog.....my accountant friend said that he guessed he would go back to the office "at 6AM"......
"looking like a major Jane Street Sunrise....."
ygk
Looks like the set list was new stuff and Decade. Tour will be the same, no?maj©
ruby baby - that sounds beautiful, red is my favorite color. everything i own is red. (that includes my hair). but, fortunately red is something that i can get away with. that cotton jacquard sounds nice. i love it. it is so comfy.ballah - i had an expierience similar to that recently. but, see i don't want to go into deep detail about it. i like to keep those little smiles to my self the next day. mine envolved a 6'2 russian, some champaign, and steely dan. no need to eat that meditarian food. it taste hairy to me. like they drop it on the floor before serving it. but, then again you would probobly see that as a delicacy.
shakin it to school with one hell of a hangover.
amyp.s. miz ducky - donald is mine, i love older men. (j/k).
aaaaarrrrrRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!My one consolation for not being there in NYC myself is the knowledge that I'll be able to (at least try to) pump Diane for every last blessed detail of the event when she gets back to the Rainy City.
Oh yeah, and since she seems to have developed the hots for Walter, that leaves Donald for MOI! heheheheheh ...
/Miz Ducky
up late with a couple-three drinks in her
at this point I'm making a fool of myself, regardless of what a Mr. M Mc (or Mac) Donald says. She's passed out by now and I've already listened to 'Katy Lied' and in the middle of 'Pretzel Logic.' Our heroes are getting back to the apartments and, maybe, checking out the WWW at large.Either way, they've rocked the world tonight, I can feel it from school and it feels good. Damn good.
As long as I can stay awake, I'm posting..in spite of the keybaoard and it's silly spelling correctins
some Journalism major I am
please go to www.onhoops.com, like I hvaen;t told you already...I'm gunna be th next Pete Vecsey, but first I wanna meet my heroes...D and W, in no particular order.
YES YES YES!!!Thank you Diane. Lord, I owe my elders!
They've always been able to run the show, but now they're showing, and I'm old enough to drive to it!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm buying it back tomorrow!
tact, poise and reason? Fuck it. S, fucking, D!
This was just posted on th SD NG by diane de rooij -
Well, it's all over but for the shouting. Oh, wait. We already shouted, too.
The taping was great. I don't think I have enough adjectives to express how
great it was. Overused and misused words like "awesome" are needed here.But before I rhapsodize too much, I have a bunch of little tidbits to
share--things that will answer many questions about the New One, and who plays
what and all that rot.I'll begin with the setlist:
Green Earrings
Janie Runaway
Josie
Gaslighting Abbie
Do It Again
Cousin Dupree
Babylon Sisters
Black Friday
Deacon Blues
Bad Sneakers
West of Hollywood
Home at Last
Kid Charlemagne
Peg
FM
What a Shame About Me
Pretzel LogicRegarding personnel, the same players who were onstage tonight were also on the
record. In other words, NO drum loops or synthetic devices were used to replace
natural sounds (well, maybe some viagra here and there, but that's another
story). Most of the names are familiar:Cornelius Bumpus -- tenor sax
Chris Potter -- alto sax
Michael Leonhart -- trumpet
Jim Pugh -- trombone
Ricky Lawson -- drums (I carried his drumsticks to the taping, but that's
*another* story )
Tom Barney -- bass
Ted Baker -- keyboards
John Harrington -- lead and rhythm guitar
Carolyn Leonhart, Victoria Cave, Cynthia Calhoun -- backing vocalsStuff I didn't know:
-- Michael and Carolyn Leonhart are siblings. He's 25, she's 28. The both look
like they need their parents' permission to leave the house after 10pm.
-- That "thing" Donald plays is a Lynx L4 hand-held synthesizer. The company is
out of business, but before they folded, Donald bought two extras.
-- Giant Record has been following the success of "Cuz." It's been charting for
three weeks in the industry rag, and premiered at #25, then zoomed to #16, and
now it's at #4. The feedback to the label has been glowing praise, more more
more.
-- Everybody and his left testicle has a copy of 2vN.
-- Donald Fagen is channeling Ray Charles.I'm going to skip the before-show at Pete and Shari Fogel's and the after-show
at Le Bar Bat in favor of a more instant review, since I know that's what you
really want anyway.By the evening, the wind had come up and Manhattan was coldColdCOLD -- but it
got worse, as the smokers in the crowd will tell you. Cigarettes wouldn't even
stay lit outside during the intermission, and we all discussed quitting
(again), but then said, "Nahhhhh."The wait was interminable, not just in the weather, but inside, while the
cameras jockeyed for positions and a lot of really important-looking people (no
one I was with) came in late(r) to be seated in their reserved seats. The guy
behind me was from Guitar Player magazine. The guy next to him was a player.
And the woman seated beside me was the advertising director for Giant Records.
I sat in the back to minimize the distractions of cameras in my face and to
remain as anonymous as possible.Finally someone came out and read announcements, then without further ado,
brought on the band. As usual, the body of the band came first, followed by its
two heads, to wild applause. I thought Don looked a little sad, Deacon
Blueslike, even kind of annoyed or bored at first. Walter, on the other hand,
was an incredible babe at 49--jeezus!God, he looks good. I have literally been staring at the screen for two minutes
trying to figure out what I was going to say next. That Walter is a
fine-looking fellow.Dooooiiiiing! So, Donald spoke first, the usual, "how ya doing" stuff, then he
asked if we'd been told about the smoking (no smoking), explaining, "This looks
like a show but it's not; it's t.v." The smoke was still hanging in the air and
the stage lights were streaming through it, even though no one had smoked in
there but the crews.So a second later they just *pounded* into Green Earrings with this incredible
wave of sound that just swept over the whole space. I think there were more
than 150 seats in there, but not very many more. The setting was very intimate
for a big sound like that (for any sound, for that matter). Donald's voice was
as incredible as ever, cutting like a knife through that smoky air. All the
stuff I'd heard here and there seemed unbelievable once I heard him sing. He
was better tonight than at any of the big shows I've either been to or heard
recordings of.More in Chapter Two...
diane
stoppingin, then off agian..seopelledit wrong
all I meant to say is,
Beck can't be stopped, buy all his records!
and I hope the band had a great gig tonight. Hope it felt good to have to be toweled off again.
Andy: I'd really like to know the names of the band members!Went to see Beck tonight... interesting cultural experience!
Does anybody know why there are so many copies of Cousin Dupree available on ebay and hardly any copies of What A Shame?
One last thing: Son, niece, sister and brother-in-law are lefties, too - you and they are in good company. The phenotype was obvious with Matthew by 4 mos.
Mizzzzzz Ducky: Oh, he may have liked it...but was just *way* too cute and pseudo-hip with his review...and langorous *does* mean limp or weak in the best Gen X kinda way I guess. I still don't agree with his or St. Al's assessment about their disconnect with music, at least from having an impact. The dreaded smooth jazz has been on the virtual the last couple of weeks to get a peek of "...Shame". Crap, most of it sounds like Aja and Gaucho to me without the soul. I stand by the post-modern soul comment also. BTW, there was little apparant direct musical influence by the Beatles or Zep or Stones or Who on Steely Dan than most early 70s bands - one of the things that made them unique. Even then 50s rock, jazz, blues, and R&B/funk dominated.
DrMu: Maybe it's just me, but I read that amazon.com review of 2vN as a very positive one--not "lefthanded" at all. But then I'm a lefty m'self ...
bittersweet
tvN: #5 on Amazon.com with a...languid & bitterweet review
Two Against Nature
Steely Dan------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reviews
Editorial Reviews (1) Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Never so much a band as the slyly crafted specter of one, Steely Dan's mid-1990s "return" to live performance was as surprising as it was perverse. They'd previously toured only once, round about the era of Watergate, pet rocks, and after Shaft. A half-decade after their concert comeback and a mere 19 years after Gaucho seemingly closed out their recording career, the jazz-pop conceit of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen deliberately dropped back into a recording landscape where they weren't so much seasoned vets as alien ambassadors. Two Against Nature, indeed. The tack is instantly familiar: a musical/lyrical reconciliation of Monk and Newman, with familiar harmonic flourishes, nimble studio chops, and an icy, world-class cool, as willfully insulated from hip-hop and techno as it was from disco and Top 40. Less concerned with melodic hooks than a canny sophistication of mood and manner, Becker and Fagen never let a trite melody get in the way of a good story, whether their protagonists are plotting some nefarious obliquity ("Gaslighting Abby(*sic*)"), Southern-fried incest (the deliciously funky "Cousin DuPree(*sic*)"), or bleakly confronting dashed expectations ("What a Shame About Me"). A little more musically languorous (*you're making me sic!*) perhaps, its trademark cynicism now undercut by hints of sadness and regret, this is nonetheless a Steely Dan album worthy of the name, and like the best of them, one whose subtle charms (*try listening uninterrupted by cell-calls*) reveal themselves in surprising ways. -Jerry McCulley
is everyone here a fucking drug addict?
Ballah: Sounds as if you payed through the nose for your fifteen seconds of fame (OK, 30 if twice). Fortunately for Michelle, who with her looks rarely hears "Hey, this never happened to me before," I was available when she called me on Saturday afternoon. After she was treated to a Continental dinner with André, Michelle dismissed him summerily and beckoned me as I made some calls from my car with Steely Dan on. Her 6 ft 3 in Neanderthal boyfriend (I've sent him you address by fax) has been out of town of late but she's afraid to pay the fee. I then entered the door and watched from behind as her blue dress wiggle while she held shoes from another time and place in her slim and soft left hand. She backed me up against the wall and her sweet scent surrounded and massaged me. It's amazing what senses one has without alcohol and cocaine...and she was sizzling and on fire. The string of warm and half moist clothes left a serpentine trail towards the bedroom. She kissed, she bite, she's rockin'ready and we wrangle through the night. No *semi* mojo, Joe as we go blow by blow. I saw the *arch* de triomphe. After 5 deliciously toxic cups of coffee, we slid into a hot bath. Then...no, you wimp - not a kiss goodnight - but another cup of coffee as she her spent body cried "...any more and I'll faint" I call Nell to let her know I'll be late, before I passionately kiss Michelle goodbye...
ruby baby-I've had many a dealer betting with me (and against the House), and even one looking at his cards to give me a better chance-until the pit bosses caught him. You just have to find a cool dealer (it usually takes several tries), tip and smile a lot! I can see it, we're gonna turn the tables upside down and play all night. I'm not exactly sure what synergy is, to be honest! What does it mean to you?I heard "What A Shame About Me" in its entirety today. Oh, it was so good to hear those soaring SD horns! Whoever pointed out that SD is cranking out a whole new album instead of reissuing oldies with one or two new ones was right on. They just picked up where they left off and didn't miss a beat, though 20 years has passed. Now that's a band!
I'll be in Philly tomorrow-damn, missed 2vN by one night! MajC, what are the call letters/web address? 8:00 Eastern is right now!
aja
Hey eel - pretty slick, I dig that new signature by way of the New One...made to order.Maj©:They on the web?....hafta check, thanks for the heads up...
mW
ruby baby: To me they looked like Jeff Baxter's. At least there's a band photo I've seen in which he's wearing something vaguely like them./the Mam'zelle
"sheezis, did we really dress like ***that***?"
and here I voted for Elvis. Just cuz.MizDucky: I thought those were Rick Derringer's shoes. They just look like him, y'know?
MidniteC: good luck with your contractor. The one I had must have gone to the Chevy Chase School of Carpentry.
aja: Love blackjack! It never occured to me that a dealer would turn against the House. Just how cute do we have to be? I believe in synergy, do you?
BabSis: I looked at fabric today & you came to mind. I'm thinking of a nice deep red cotton jacquard as a cornice. What do you think?
rb
Okay, I know everyone's dying for the scoop on the PBS tapings, so I'll quench your desire. An acquaintence of mine who is going to the show tonight is going to e-mail me the set and any review that she can muster in her 2:00 A.M. post-SD stupor. Tomorrow morning at around 8:00 I will post the setlist and
review to my site, http://steelydan.cjb.net. The review and setlist for Saturday night's show will be provided by yours truly who is heading off to the Big Apple for the taping shortly after 8:00 tomorrow morning. I should have that up on my site at around 12:00 noon on Sunday. Any questions? I probably won't be around to answer them, but you can try anyway.-Andy
You disgust me ballah. Lay off the drugs for once and then you'll stop having these fantisies.
Update: The airing of 2vN on 88.9FM in South Jersey will be at approx. 8pm. See previous post today for details.maj©
Ballah: Your tale was pretty good and being An EXPERT on food from the Mediterrannean, you ordered well. The Baba Ganooj (roasted pureed eggplant with tons of garlic) was the clincher. Garlic is without a doubt an aphrodisiac (provided both parties eat it) The wine sounded nice, but if you would have ordered a couple of OUZO`S (Greek Quaaludes) for your afterdinner drink with a couple pieces of Baklava( honey cinnamon phylo dessert) you would never had made it home to start your devious plan and You would have gotten some head in the car, before you left the parking lot.This isn`t a complaint you did well for a rookie.
Well, here I am again, back to spice up things a bit in here. Back to surprise and delight you, maybe disgust you. This time I'm not going to chastise you, but am simply here to relate an interesting story to you, about my Tuesday night this week.Her name is Michelle, and we met through mutual friends about two weeks ago, and have been corresponding via email. She is a successful and ambitious, very sexy woman, with a vivacious personality. Our first encounter was on Friday of last week, exactly a week ago today. It was four am, and I was at a friend of mine's house, covering a song by Sebadoh called "Not Amused." We were flying high from the tumultuous amounts of cocaine, alcohol, and marijuana that we'd consumed over an almost twelve hour period when I received her page. She wanted to meet me, so I drove to her house about twenty minutes away. I had some stuff left over, and a bottle of Boutari (greek wine). We had a few rails, and deep conversation, and then finally agreed to drift off to sleep around 8:30am Saturday morning. I think I kissed her maybe one time: the cocaine had stymied my charm and wit, and I was unable to "close the deal" as I like to call it. I left around 1:00pm the next day, feeling very disappointed with the turn of events, but hopeful that we might have another date.
Despite our awkward first date, we agreed to meet again on Tuesday of this week for a double date at a local mediterranean restaurant where I am very close with the staff, and tend to receive carte blanche treatment there on a regular basis. As we walked into the place, all of the wait staff greeted me warmly, patted me on the back, said their salutations. Michelle was impressed, and so were the wait staff. She was wearing a very sexy low cut pant suit with very modern silver buckles down the front, revealing her thin adomen with belly button piercing shining through. The cleavage from her ample breasts showed through, and several of the Lebanese and Greek waiters there snuck a European kiss on each cheek greeting, just to get their rocks off, I could tell. Together, we were the most striking couple in the restaurant, and I could feel that this night would be a magical evening.
We sat and ordered. Within five minutes she was feeding me spoonfuls of zatziki and hummus, grilled veggies, baba ganoush, chicken and beef shish, etc. Mediterranean food was a new experience for her, and she loved it, being the open-minded young strumpet that she is. We ordered two bottles of Sangre De Toro, and became completely inebriated, to say the least. She began kissing me passionately at the table in between bites of food, which seemed strangely arousing. Then we called Jose, the local dealer and scored just enough so that we wouldn't be up too late to make it to work the next day. The cocaine arrived just as the free desserts and free bottle of Peche Lambiq arrived, perfect timing. And complete props to my friends at Izmir, the guys are wonderful there.
So, it was back to my apartment now. We walked outside and hailed the valet down, drove back to my place and did the normal cocaine chit chat-- we and the other couple who had shared the meal with us. I hit random on the disc player, with a mixture of Mojave 3, Gastr del Sol, Sam Prekop, David Sylvian, and Johnny Hartman (you can never lose with Johnny Hartman). It began to grow late, and I had to be up and at 'em by 5:30 am to make it to work on time, so we strolled back to bed. The anticipation was thick in the air.
At this point, I was clueless as to the fact that Michelle was planning on spending the night. She asked me if I had a T-shirt and boxers to doff, and I gladly pulled out a pair of Calvin Klein boxer-briefs and a very tight thrift store T-shirt, knowing that her C-cup breasts would look great in it. We chatted for a bit, and reflected on the wonderful evening that had just transpired, and then made the mutual decision to turn off the lights and attempt to sleep. And this is when the true fun began. We rolled around, bounced, and frollicked, but she just was not completely ready to do the deed, if you catch my drift. Her pleas of "no" were unconvincing, and full of heavy breathing, and huffing and puffing, and oohing and ahhing. Finally, she pleaded with me to take her, and I did, passionately. It was one of the best experiences of my life, coupling with such a vivacious and sexy woman. When we were finally finished, I was surprised at her next comment which was something like, "well, now that we've done it, that means we get to do it again in the morning. There's nothing I like more than being woken up with a cock in my pussy." I was delighted and almost appalled. What a bad girl she was, but then again, I've always liked the nasty ones.
Well, you can guess what happened around 5:15am. I felt a hand reach over and grab my crotch. She was ready to go for another round, I couldn't believe it. I'd only had about two hours of sleep, but she was such a hotty, that I had to mount her again. Sadly, we were interrupted by my alarm clock, and had to cease our lovemaking. I had about five minutes to get ready, and by the time I exited the shower, my beautiful Michelle was gone already.
The next day was difficult, as I was exhausted and completely fatigued, but a spry and devious smile crept across my face several times throughout the day, just thinking back on the glorious events of the previous night. This is how all dates should be, and I am happy to relate the story of this wonderful experience to all of you. I hope you enjoyed the story, and thank you for listening.
Ballah
If we get into a discussion on how much Ringo meant to the Beatles, hell, we're going to forget about the new album.Wednesday, March 1st:
"And his stunning work on 'Don't Pass Me By' only cements my theory that, hey, did you hear Steely Dan just put out a new album?"
Edd - Dylan played guitar, too. That's all George Harrison played. Ringo only knew the drums. Sure, Paul and John might have been able to play a little more than their main instruments, but what does that have to do with anything? And, how does that make the Beatles more capable of using the studio as an instrument than it does Dylan? Not only did the Beatles have a different style, they also had a different producer. Let's talk after the Beatles broke up. Who's had a better and more influential career? Dylan, or any of the individual members of the Beatles? Don't bash Dylan because the Beatles made "Sgt. Pepper", and Dylan didn't. Dylan has written many more songs of substance than just about any song of that album. Even Dylan's worst is still head and shoulders above, "When I'm 64", and "Fixing A Hole". Maybe if the Bee Gees had been in a movie based on the songs to "Highway 61 Revisited", you'd think more highly of him.I am aware, though, of a movie called, "Blonde On Blonde", unfortunately, it's one of those videos that Blockbuster refuses to carry.
I wasn't alive in either of their heydays, nor do I know much about music history, but my two cents is that the Beatles were highly influential musically, while Dylan was highly influential lyrically. Which may explain why Clas doesn't appreciate Dylan.
Ole: Thanks for the return and the sentiment.....glad it travels so well....it's going to be in PFs hands tonight, and I may get to see [!] as well.....PF directs.....Richmond is going to be great.....ygk
...not to mention that The Beatles were at the forefront (the first in popular music) to use the studio as an "instrument" in its own right, and not just a room in which to capture a performance.Dylan played a harmonica...
I have to agree that pinpointing a PRIMARY influence is quite difficult. I voted for The Beatles because I feel they had the biggest MUSICAL influence, but I believe that Dylan had the biggest LYRICAL influence. Prior to The Beatles, the 'serious' musical community (and general public as well) wrote all R&R off as having little or no redeeming value. Lennon & McCartney changed all that; they elevated the form (with a BIG help from Sir George Martin) to something that wasn't immediately poo-pooed by the listeners outside of the R&R realm. They also paved the way for artistic freedom for other rock bands ~ enabling other artists to be experimental and eclectic in their songwriting, arrangements and instrumentation. Their success with such albums as Sgt. Pepper convinced the record company executives that there was life after three minute pop songs, and gave other bands the leeway to compose album-oriented rock! The Beatles were also among the first in R&R circles to really "polish" their music in the studio, setting a studio benchmark that others strove to achieve (and in many cases, surpass).Regarding Joni: she was heavily influenced by Dylan, having played and hung out in the same circles in the '60s New York folk scene. Obviously, she went off in a myriad of other directions in her incredible musical career, and was influenced by many others as well. Interesting '68-ish NY anecdote ~ Joni was in town playing a series of gigs, and needed a place to stay. She ended up staying with an LA musician who was in town for the summer doing some gigs with his band. Joni couch-surfed with none other than Gail & Frank Zappa...and actually sat in on a Mothers gig!
FYI: 2vN is just now back up to #8 on Amazon.com's top 100 CDs. I dunno why this makes me feel so irrationally good, but it does. Some sense of cosmic cultural vindication, mayhap?BTW, I find those shoes currently on the front page of the ODP really really scary--possibly because I remember owning and wearing shoes that looked like that? And variants of that look are back in style again. [cue feeling of fossil-hood]
/Mam'zelle Canard
having a fashion erreur flashback
How could you say "A Hard Day's Night" was original? There was a movie with the same title that they obviously stole the idea from.Duh.
Livin la vida loco
Ricky
I don't think The Beatles released a fully original album until "A Hard Day's Night"...Covers were SOP for most everyone.
According to our sources, so did Dylan and the Stones.
Beatles wrote their own songs.Goodnight.
edd i was listening to dylan
JW: as far as I know, it's still on....and happening....don't think it will be any issue with the weather.....will report what I know when I know itygk
Do any of you remember where you were when you first heard The Beatles?How about Dylan?
The Beatles came to NY and Dylan turned them on. Dylan influenced the Beatles and he should get the vote.Clas: In what way is Dylan overrated?
hey clasyour preaching to the choir
I happen to be a major jazz era joni freak. Heijira is my favorite. So don't get defensive here. That's topsoil I regularly like churning up.
I wasn't comparing their guitar styles, surely Joni's varied open string tunings are very lush and yes she worked with the best in their formative years (nicely paralleling the Dan).
Dylan inspired Joni. She said so herself. His use of pop music for the artistic forum and the singer/songwriter social poetic force was something Joni and Neil Young then carried off in other interesting ways
most people don't like his voice or his guitar skills, and his personna sometimes leaves things to be desired but Dylan's influence runs deep.
I agree with Herm that it's silly to have to pick out one strong influence at the neglect of truly other vibrant contenders.
I wish we were having a similiar debate over 90's icons that really made a difference, but I'm apathetic to find too many that really have meaningful influence
for the times they ain't a changing....
So what happened with the PBS taping scheduled for tonight...was it cancelled due to the weather? East Coast GB Contingent ~ please keep us up to date, thanks a million!
Oleander: I too was surprised at the omission of Wet Side. The ending sounded unfinished, but could have made the final nine or the 10th. West of Hollywood and the title track 2vN appear to be average at best and Wetside had a higher stature than that. I posted the same question 2 months ago and got little feedback. One poster thought that the female backround singers were bad. The cut had a bouncy feel and personally i liked the soul sound of the backround, The cut was done throughout Art Crimes 96 and was on the Bootleg My Korean Colleen. I`M told that some of that song was incorporated into one of the other singles. February 29 is barely a month away and i`ll see then where Wetside went.
MAJOR FYI for anyone in the Philadelphia / South Jersey area for tonight.....Tune to 88.9FM (broadcasting from Pemberton, NJ) between 6:30 and 10:30 when the new one, 2vN, will be aired at least once, probably twice, according to the DJ John Banister during his show, "Off the Beaten Track".
88.9FM 's signal can be heard along I 95 in the Philadelphia area as you are along the river, up in Fairmount Park or other high ground. In New Jersey, as far north as parts of Trenton, south to Deptford, east to the ocean (where the white sand swirls, by the way).
How bout that?? Now, don't you wish you lived in New Jersey?
maj©
Here's why I voted for The Beatles.
In the mid-fifties people like Bill Haley, Little Richard and Chuck Berry tried to develop a new musical style. They were only moderately successful because of the stodgy mores of the day. Then Buddy Holly came along. His music was perhaps a bit more palatable to the masses. His music (had he lived) probably would have served as a conduit between the rawness of the afore mentioned artists and the music buying public. Holly was an innovator, using strings in rock n roll music for the first time. When Holly and Richie Valens were killed the music truly died. The powers that be in the music industry grabbed unto that little lull in the progression of rock n roll and heavily marketed people like Bobby Vee, Bobby Rydell, Bobby Darin, Annette Funicello, et.al.. These were a group of sterilized white-bread singers who were basically pin-up stars. This approach effectively stiffled what was left of the original innovators. It was pretty disgusting when it got to the point where Pat Boone cut a version of Tutti Frutti. If things had been allowed to continue this way rock n roll would have perhaps never developed into anything. Bob Dylan could have been writing incredibly insightful songs but would he have had an audience?
Then these four guys from England who worshipped the old raw form of rock, buying every American record they could, started a band. With the brilliant marketing talent of Brian Epstein they packaged their act and their look to snap the American youth out of the hypnotic daze of mediocrity that the U.S. record companies had created. In a large sense they gave our music back to us. They DIDN'T let it die.
While I certainly think Dylan was a huge influence on rock artists and writers I believe The Beatles were the greatest influence on the genre itself. And I think The Stones would be second in line.
Derivitive is a good way of expressing it, because without Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly and early R&B, there would have been no foundation for the Beatles to emerge. The same for Dylan ~ no Guthry, Ledbelly, Beat poetry or Rimbaud, and where's he? The Stones ate up the blues of Muddy Water, Howlin' Wolf, and Willie Dixon, as well as Chuck Berry in order to formulate their sound. Elvis was all Country, gospel and bits of Louis Jordan.The question is interesting and definately a good jumping off point for intelligent arguments and passionate fist fights, but it misses a bigger point. It's not who's the greatest single influence, but, who ARE the greatset influences. Rock and Roll is a competative marketplace, with each new band and each new idea pushing someone else to be better. Brian Wilson made the Beatles strive for a higher plateau. Zeppelin pushed the Stones. Hendrix pushed everybody. Iggy Pop, the MC5 and the Ramones pushed complacency, the the Sex Pistols pushed all of them right back. It's like trying to ask which point on a star is the most important: just when you think that the one on top is because it is pointing toward the heavens, someone turns the star around and that point is now aiming somewhere else. They all influenced each other and consequently influenced every future generation.
Now, as of late, (this past decade), it seems that the Stones, the Who, and the Kinks have been the biggest influence of rock bands. But, who knows which bands will be the musical sires in the next ten or twenty years? All I know is that I need more coffee.
Later,
Herm
(Oh, by the way, I originally voted for Dylan, since there was no "All Of The Above" choice.) H
So therefore it's amazing what the cat did with 4 chords when others tried with 6 or more.....ygk
And he is still playing his, at the most, 4 chords-songs.Sponsored by Coors, Audi or CNN or whatever. Bläääh.
C
Worm Gem - "...folksters Nyro, Taylor, Mitchell..."Joni was never inspired by Dylan. She was a girl of her own. And do you call albums like "For The Roses", "Court and Spark, "Hissing of Summer Lawns", "Don Juans Reckless Daughter", the Charles Mingus Album and others, folkmusic? With musicians as Wayne Shorter, Victor Feldman, Joe Sample and Jaco Pastorius?
Joni Mitchell did it her way, even the coverart, lyrics and her open tuned guitar (50 diferent styles).
Bob Dylan is highly overated anyway.
C
On the classic rock station in New York, I forget the call letters, but the one that basically took WNEW's staff when they went talk, it's Steely Dan weekend and they are giving away tickets to the taping of the VH1 storytellers all weekend long. I finally got to hear Cousin Dupree. To the guy who said it wouldn't be a hit, I wouldn't count it out just yet. I have to say I liked it, though I don't know if there's room in top 40 for a song that rhymes "apple sauce" and "turn you off".
ole: "sing rickety tickety tin..." (You could have guessed I'd know that one) Tom Lehrer is a funny man.moray eel: Good point. After a couple of listens to Cousin Dupree, I started wondering what it would sound like with Chuck Berry singing it.
Mlle. Canard: That's why I voted for Dylan, too.
about a young maiden i'll sing you a song
sing rikkity tikkity tin
about a young maiden i'll sing you a song
she did not have her family long
not only did she do them wrong
she did every one of them in
them in
she did every one of them inthe Donald she could never stand
sing rikkity tikkity tin
the Donald she could never stand
and so a cyanide soup she planned
she then went after the rest of the band
and chopped every one of them in
them in
she chopped every one of them in
O: i made up that last partkip
the beatles were the biggest fab nom e non of the 20th century in music without questionbut the question was about influence
for brevity Miz Duckster - I didn't mention Woodie G., Dylan took guthrie's street smarts and angle of injustice and transformed pop culture. Again Lennon and McCartney honed their great popsmithing qualities to a larger pallet through the Dylan influence. Bob opened up the intellect in what was once purely a hormonal musical format.
dylan can't sing - the controversy rages on. elvis and the fab four were more commercial and household names but any pop musician of the sixties wanted that Dylan Mystique
as for turning electric, (YGK) that was 66, Newport Jazz and Folk festival I believe. Some from the crowd were shouting Judas, that Bob was unbelievably selling out to the pop masses. Remember at that time the Beatles electric liverpool sound was considered fluff by the artistic music establishment. Although by Help the Beatles were changing with the newfound lyrical art form that Dylan transformed. WOw did they jell in this expresssiveness once Dylan showed them the open door. Bob got them high as well.
influence - all dylan. You can't hear Bringing it all Back Home, Blonde on Blonde or Nashville Skyline without a deep sense of appreciation for Bob's trailblazing free art form.
as for longer term influences - Bob was like a hit of lisurgic - once your mind was open to the possibilities it could never go back. It didn't just stay with the folksters Nyro, Taylor, Mitchell, J. Browne but transformed to nearly everything later. Look at what tunes U2 choose to cover in the mid 80's.
This latest generation may have forgotten it's influences, but the musicians before them didn't, and a certain shy midwestern kid from Minnesota blew open the conciousness of anyone wishing to grasp something more. That door is still wide open
don't follow leaders watch the parking meters...
I think judging by the results of the poll and my own opinion that it was pretty obvious that the Beatles have had the greatest impact on subsequent generations. Musically, they will never be bettered and although some of their lyrics can be considered naive by todays standards, they were culturally significant at the time. Their influence on bands here in Britain is remarkable. Bands want to look as well as sound like them 40 years after their inception, even with beards they looked cool!
DAMMM!JW Malibu, Howard and others; YOU ARE RIGHT!
I checked with the AJA-cd and it's Cmaj7. Should have done as Eddie once told me; Check the facts FIRST.
Going to check the vinyl though. Hummpprf.
Mayor Rudy - I was hip? I'm writing pretty good music now and then, and if people likes it and tell me so, how could I possible call them "assholes"? I must wait a month. Am I wrong?
And last year "you were constantly intoxicated and rambling on about nothing".
Rambling on about nothing? It was about things, too heavy for your uneducated brain.
Seriously Brother Clod, do you really think I could run a Business if I was constantly intoxicated? And running it pretty good? For 9 years?
I'll tell you a secret; I haven't been drunk on this GBook THAT many times. I'm crazy anyway, but I keep it in the GuestBook Family.
And about Pompe's Penis, it was SWOLLEN! And a certain GuestBook regular sent Pompe Bag Balm, people here prayed for him, and Pompe was okay again. Isn't that great? And now, Pompe is alive and well, he's lying on his bed on the office floor licking his... what!!! ...okay, I guess I would do the same if I only could.
Please mr Mayor, don't get obsessed with me, use your fantasy, your creativity and write about something that thrills your imagination.
But please, not New York City.
Roy Scam - you do! Yes, it's a great book. And he manages to be funny even if the issue is so... depressing? I love when he is in Paris getting some award and he refuse to go that dinner that is arranged in his honor.
C
I was told to never change my first answer on a multiple choice test so my answer of the "Beatles" as most influential band must remain.Indeed, Chuck Berry deserves a place there as well but EVERY song of his sounds the same.
At least the Beatles gave us some variety.
Dylan, in my mind, was the antithesis of the hippy pop culture. Some artists did drugs to justify wearing colorful uniforms. Others did it to escape the Lonely Hearts Club Band. Still, a rarefied few recognized it as their only way to speak with those who were disenchanted by both former and latter.
And that's who dug Dylan.
*(But I'm wrong, of course.)
Listening to Radiohead,SEMB
I have been around long enough to have been a kid before there was rock and roll. Radio stations played stuff like 'How Much Is That Doggy In The Window' by Patti Page. When rock came along it changed everything. Most of those artists just aren't remembered. They were doing it even before Chuck Berry and Little Richard. It was cumulative. The first one to hit it really big was Elvis and then evolution changed to revolution. Then the Beatles and lots of other terrific artists and composers. If you look at the old pre-rock pop and then listen to Berry's 'Sweet Little Sixteen,' you see cataclysmic progress. The people who created rock are barely remembered and not even included in the poll. But believe me, we owe them plenty.
Which artist or group had the most influence over popular music?I voted for Dylan because Chuck Berry wasn't on the list. Otherwise, Chucky wins it hands down.
(What A Shame About) m.e.
punching out
I'm just a lowly bartender at a rockin style hotel. but, what i really want to do is direct! I say - kick ass - to the starving artist salesman.Mr bill P.
I'm glad there were some others who could state more eloquently than I about Dylan's popular influences and time frames, but I seriously thought Dylan's acoustic/electric crossover happened in the late 50's/early 60's. Not having dates at hand, my apologies for my lack of factual info.
However, of the group listed for the poll, I still think Dylan also influenced hip-hop and rap, musically political songs - his openness scared the establishment, and help bring to life a thorougly modern "American songwriter". Like it or not, the world and hence, popular music, is greatly influenced by music created in America, and "An American Poet" is one of the hipper compliments to receive as a creative artist. Dylan influenced rock, folk, urban contemporary music with a sound that made you think - not a bad legacy for a mostly superficial medium.
Maybe the Beatles let you scream and party and trip, but Dylan let you sigh, groan, question, party, trip and THINK....damn that's good.ygk
oleander - that sound luscious. there is nothing like that going on this week end around here. although, and this is really horrible, there was an exhibit going on at the fine arts center at my uni. a designer named john gallanos. beautiful couture dresses made of just gorgious fabric were on display for people to go and look at the construction of these garments and so on. well i went to see the exhibit yesterday, it was the first chance i had, and it was closed thanks to some really crummy theives. they stole two of the dresses. they really disrespected this late designer by ripping him off. i wonder if they will actually have the gaul to wear them somewhere. i am studing the count, fiber size, and quality of cotton as we speak. it truley is a wonderful fabric. i bet it feels like butter. words from the vat, handwash everything and the dryer and dry cleaners are evil. also thanks for the lit tip. i might have time to read it this summer.shakin it with a singer
amy
re: Wet SideI'm terribly upset. That guitar solo is GREAT.
covers his eyes with his hands...
the 26% of the lyrics that I can understand, I relate to as much as any other Steely song I can think of.
"Fez"--OK, I know there's no nick police, but there's already a fezo who is fezo because there was a fez.... Please be charitable and for my confused sake if for no other reason be someone else.... BTW, you are absolutely right. I got a 10 changer so I could get in Citizen, Nightfly, Kama, 11TOW, NY R&SR, Gold Expanded, and The New One. And my dream's about to come true.RS, Ducky, et al.--well, now that we're about it, does anybody know "About a maid I'll sing a song...."
Wazz--So what's wrong with being derivative? Each of us is one big genetic derivation. I think of music more as a very complex woven pattern stretching across the eons, sometimes repetitious, sometimes embellished, occasionally completely new with corresponding ripples that overlap other ripples.... Don't be depressed! There can be freshness & creativity without stark originality.
lil bab sis--(OK guys, close your ears). A variegated custom cotton rib knit. You'd love it, and this too: my favorite local fabric store is having a swap this weekend--on Super Bowl Sunday. There's a great novel out about fabric, partly, called "Invisible World," by Stuart Cohen, who knows whereof he speaks.
Ruby--"Delirious" is one of my fave dance-around-the-house tunes.
To the Elect who will be in NY tomorrow--please remember us and send back copious reports.
Anybody else upset that Wet Side Story didn't make it onto 2vN? It's been on the Wakeup Stereo lately.
fez - you could not have said it any better. like with my little story about my box set. see my new conv. has a cd player, all my steely is on tapes except for my box set. my husband had to replace it for me. see i could not drive to or through the hills of austin without my steely dan. so that was the big issue. i don't have any steely albums on cd. it took me so long to break down and give up tapes. i had so many. it was even hard for me to give up the vinyl. well i haven't given it up. i am still a sucker for a $.25 rolling stones album at a garage sell. and i still buy 12 and 10 inches. hell i still have wings, steely, and heart 8 tracks and an 8 track player. call me bonkers.
shake it
amy
You know, the discussions on Dylan vs Fab Four are all very interesting - and I mean that. But help me, somebody: I've heard the point made a long time ago that there is really no creativity at all - that everything is derivative. While I don't remember who said that (maybe one of you do), the idea makes me nervous enough that I must invoke it when discussions such as this one come up, in the fervent hope that someone can give me an example of some form of popular culture that is not dependant at least partially on what came before it. Because if we humans are indeed nothing but a bunch of copycats, then ALL the artists listed are probably much more influential than any of us realize. Please prove me wrong, as the idea is starting to depress me and I'm out of beer.
Since the Beatles broke up clearly more rock bands have been influenced by Led Zeppelin than the Beatles for better or worse. The argument could be made that a) without the Beatles rock would have faded into oblivion and legitimized it as a musical force. Paul and George Martin created new pop constructs in Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road which influenced pop music in the early 70s and early 80s...but it's really been sporadic - how many people actually own the excellent debut by Marshall Crenshaw? Ironically, there's heavy influence of The Beatles along with Jimmy Buffett and Victoria Secret in the country scene.An argument for the influence of Steely Dan is quite simple. Dan was heavily influenced by black jazz, R&B, blues, and later funk arists. Ironcially, virtually every black pop artist, and the dreaded smooth jazz area, of the 80s and 90s (outside the realm of rap) sounded as if they or their producer listened to Gaucho a hundred times: James Ingram, Quincy Jones, Babyface, Marvin Gaye, etc. The production, Wendell, the engineering... The homogenized funk of My Rival was all over urban radio. I know white MTV and pop radio stations often ignored this area of music, but there were a lot of artists and substantial cumulative sales.
I'd agree with the Dylan comment overall if a plethora of thoughtful and poetic artist had maintained long careers. His influence is profound but only over a very few key artists from Joni Mitchell to Steely Dan to Laura Nyro.
Chris: would have helped but this one's a MacManiac
Actually, I voted for Dylan because of something our Donald once said in an interview: he cited Dylan as being massively influential because of his (Dylan's) lyrics, opening up the American popular song from the previous Tin Pan Alley moon/june/spoon stranglehold, to encompass just about anything, including far-ranging literary, political, fantasy, surrealistic material.To my way of thinking, this not only had the obvious influences you can think of upon Our Guys, but on whole batches of songwriters in the US and the UK -- including the Beatles.
We'll leave aside for the moment the fact that Dylan was in turn mightily influenced in his lyrical freedom by that great troubador of the people Woody Guthrie, just to name one.
/Miz Ducky
a little perkier at werkier
Is there anythng better than listening to some Steely while cruising in an automobile that just floats on the road? I don't think so....I am always looking to hear from any Steely fans out there to discuss anything at all. I figure...we've all got Steely in common, what more could we possibly need?
your gold Keithmakes a great point on Dylan being the biggest influence. Lennon and McCartney, as dramatic as their sound was, were mere hitmakers until they came under the influential wing of Dylan's mystique and poetic genius. Zimmerman simply was the first person to get out of the boy meets girl mode and write songs based on issues, injustices, politics, and so on and so on and made pop music a true higher art form. to stand beneath the stary night with one arm waving free
Had Dylan not been there, Lennon and McCartney's songwriting may have not gotten much farther than "she loves you" or "can't buy me love" and today Hermin's Hermits were be our big legacy. Bob also introduced the fab four to the sweet leaf. By the Help album, the Beatles, especially John, had transfigured that cute little mop top image and kicked open their own door of expressiveness.
roy conartist - the official version I heard was (1966)
"great big gobs of greasy grimy gopher guts, mutilated monkey meat, little birdie's smelly feet, plucked out eye balls swimming in the tuna fish, buy them at your favorite store, you'll need a spoon."okay are "Miss Suzzy had a baby" renditions next?
back to the topsoil
funny little richard was the strongest adolescent influence on both Dylan and John and Paul
Beatles, hands down. Dylan's "official" crossover (when he "went electric") was in July of '65, a full year and a half after The Beatles' American debut.The Beatles were much more than a musical influence, they made an impact on society far beyond record sales. Dylan seemed to contribute by reflecting what was going on around him, often with crystalline clarity, but The Beatles went places nobody had been before.
The question I've often wondered about is - If The Beatles hadn't happened, what would have?
I thought the one thing we all had in common was Steely Dan, but I think it's more like we're all bored at work and peruse the GB to stay awake!(or use it as a damn cool way to release that pent-up/underutilized creativity).
Maybe St. Al could reformat the GB to look like an official/legal document....
aja
can someone enlighten me on this storytellers thing. i don't have time to go down the board to see whats been going on.waiting on the new album like the rest of the world. i can't even figure out how to listen to the new songs off the web site.
yep i am the royle genius huh.shakin it down the runway
amy
Chris: I've personally become really fond of a piece of high-quality freeware called "Arachnophilia." Pretty decent set of basic features, and you can't beat the price (the guy's got an interesting political/cosmic rap about why he gives away his "careware"). You can read all about it at http://www.arachnoid.com/.Now, if you wanna spend a little money, I'd recommend Homesite--even though it has what I consider an annoying user interface (lots of little eyestraining smitchiks).
Myself, I have little patience with the high-end does-everything-for-you webpage creatores like Adobe Pagemill and Microsoft Frontpage, because they basically take over and make all kinds of HTML code decisions for you that are a pain in the ass to decipher afterwards (and in fact, if you go in and hand-edit the HTML afterwards you risk "breaking" these editors' ability to read them anymore--or at least you used to). And these puppies are more expensive. But some people swear by (and at) these tools, if for no other reason than that you can sling together a presentable-looking page in a WISIWIG environment pretty damn fast.
All of the above purely my US$0.02 -- although as a contract desktop publisher and HTML-slinger for the Evil Empire, I do know at least enough thangs in this regard to earn my keep. :-)
/Mam'zelle Canard
as a matter of fact, dozing on the job as she formats yet another document
Chris: as easy as an answer "the Beatles" may be, Bob Dylan actually had more INFLUENCE on popular music, taking the folksy music scene electric in Newport. In many ways, Dylan paved the way for the Beatles to be as overpopular as they were and are. While they certainly were, and are, a strong influence over popular music, Dylan broke new ground with his electric guitar, anoying his fans, but ultimately opening up a whole new genre and possibilities for music and musicians to come.ygk
st al- I voted The Beatles simply becuase they did have the most influence. The great thing about Steely Dan is that there're original.Oh and one more thing: I'm working on a Steely Dan site on AOL press, which is a really crappy webpage maker. Once I get front page in the mail I'll try that, but does anybody have any suggestions on what webpage editor to use? thanks..
-Chris
the new kid on the block
Midnite ~ Congrats, bro! You and your VERY artistic wife are going to love the DAYS of time you'll save on your Photoshop filter processing time, and even more so on Bryce rendering time...what used to take all night to render will take an hour. Photoshop work will be a pleasure, you'll be much less apt to settle on a filter(s) that are "kinda" what you were looking for. Let me know if you need any further assistance regarding your recording equipment!
MC: Sounds sweeeeet! but I must comment....so we now have a GADD chord, but you mentioned a
100mhz SDRAM, which I can only imagine would be 100 mhz of Steely Dan Real Asskickin Music - you must have one of those promotional copies of 2vNygk
back to work for a 3 day, 12 hours a day, weekend tomorrow so I guess unless we have another snow storm (they're calling for it starting Saturday night), I'll see you good folks sometime Monday.btw, the little lady and I ordered two new Dell computers last night. I finally get to give up this nearly 5 year old Pentium 100 with a 15" monitor for a PIII 600 with 128 megs of 100mhz SDRAM, a 19" Trinitron monitor, a 27.3 gig hard drive, a Soundblaster 512 voice sound card, built in zip drive and cable modem. The wife's is basically the same w/o the zip drive. Since we're already networked we didn't see the need for another zip. Maybe now it won't take Photoshop forever to apply a filter. This dinosaur I'm on now will go upstairs to my little "studio in the making" to play around with the other new toys to come. Oh yeah, the contractor is coming next week to put in a new Jacuzzi whirlpool bath, toilet and one piece vanity top in our 20 year old bathroom with Harvest Gold *yuk* tub and commode. Ahh, a nice cold Killian's and I can "slide on down" into the Cuze! Work can be a real bitch sometimes but at least the fringe benefits are nice!
MC
thanks.
Good luck and safe travels to anyone heading to NYC.maj©
St Al: Thank you for the survey feature. It's a lot of fun.But why did three of us vote for Steely Dan? Like is this poll supposed to be serious? I think it's just for entertainment! It can't be statistically accurate!
This is the Dan Board and I'm a Dan fan. The poll is not any more statistically accuate than the daily horoscopes in newspapers. I might add, if someone wanted to stuff the ballot box (which I would NOT do) all I someone would have to do is go to some cyber cafe, library or school computer lab and vote once from one machine, if I understand how this works.
Don't get me wrong St Al -- I appereciate it for what it is. I think it's fun but it isn't statisitcally accurate. It's like chat. Fun, but in the end, it's just chat!
I think you should have polls like as to what color socks Walter and Donald should wear on opening night...but nothing weighty like "Do you think Steely Dan saved the world of music" or even best song would be inaccurate. "Purely for Entertainment." All IMHO, of course!
ODP update.Man oh Myanmar.
Clas: I'm reading Willam Styron's book, "Darkness Visible" for the third time. A great book about a vastly misunderstood subject (a subject reportedly shared by Donald Fagen and millions of others). The review on the cover of my copy says,"..as short as a hangman's rope and nearly as arresting."Oleander: Tablature quip of the week-"A chord named after Gadd". Very good.-- You know that chord that results when you errantly try to play a harmonic and leave your finger down too long and make the sound phlup-dwernt-flushl ? They're going to name that after me.
Tom de la Terre: The childhood memories are washing over me like high tide over a discarded beach party prophylactic. The actual east coast version of the distorted classic that you mentioned is "Great green globs of greasy grimy gopher guts, greasy grimy gopher guts,..." sung to the tune of "The Old Gray Mare". As if this repeated anthem wasn't powerful enough unto itself, the closure line is "..and me without my spoon." Followed by the vaudeville style tack-on "..but I've got my strawwwww (badoomp)." -- Thank you, God, for the opportunity to share these pearls with adults who, as the result of whatever cultural cruelty, may have never had the chance to hear them.
Perhaps later we can discuss the lost verse of Battle Hymn of the Republic wherein "I bopped her in the bean with a rotten tangerine."
RS
Clas. Iam honored that CSNY are singing about me,but not at all happy that they are charging 70 scheckels a ticket and 200 for gold circle seats....oh well i guess David Crosby has to kick in for diapers now that he was a surrogate donor. I hear mixed reviews on their "New One" the rock stations are giving one cut modest play. The GB is a lot like politics, people here can have short memories. Six weeks ago the "spin Doctors" were ready to write Al Gore off, now he is a heavy favorite against Bradley......Six weeks ago you were hip, due to your tasteful contribution to the TM Project that got excellent reviews.The sentiment now seems like last year when you were preoccupied about your dog`s(Pompe) Penis and you were constantly intoxicated and rambling on about nothing..Al Gore ,like him or not is the favorite , and you Clas have returned to the role of favorite Asshole as shown by the Abuse Poll here on the G.B, A HEAVY favorite, or as we say in New York, "Forget About it, it`s over"
Clas. Iam honored that CSNY are singing about me,but not at all happy that they are charging 70 scheckels a ticket and 200 for gold circle seats....oh well i guess David Crosby has to kick in for diapers now that he was a surrogate donor. I hear mixed reviews on their "New One" the rock stations are giving one cut modest play. The GB is a lot like politics, people here can have short memories. Six weeks ago the "spin Doctors" were ready to write Al Gore off, now he is a heavy favorite against Bradley......Six weeks ago you were hip, due to your tasteful contribution to the TM Project that got excellent reviews.The sentiment now seems like last year when you were preoccupied about your dog`s(Pompe) Penis and you were constantly intoxicated and rambling on about nothing..Al Gore ,like him or not is the favorite , and you Clas have returned to the role of favorite Asshole as shown by the Abuse Poll here on the G.B, A HEAVY favorite, or as we say in New York, "Forget About it, it`s over"
ruby - mini me (literally) is 6, a real wonderful sparkplug and the biggest socialite I know - he likes the Elliot Caryl (?) cattepiller books (did you have something else in mind?), but Maurice Sendak WTWTA and those old Steam Shovel books are king of his fiefdomecubicle, so do you have a dilbertian boss with pointy hair?
that high rock ridge in Sequoia is to die for
how close art though to wonder and beauty?
big sur, oregon, rainer, canyonlands, arches, the great divide, jackson hole, blueridge parkway
damn, my soul misses all this terriblyI can savor and remember nearly every step up that ledge in Zion
a nice vista, for me it's at least 8 hours out of flatland
although the best beaches I've ever seen are panhandling along the Fla. emerald coast and only 5 hours away
the swamps are great to photograph, but unless your joe fisherman, the canoeing isn't that rush you get in class 3 or higherthe electric girlfriend is courted me with Van's Philosopher Stone again last night - with so much great ear candy stuff laying around, it's rather easy to wait for two against nature
drive west on sunset to the sea
Howard's correct, Clas ~ the opening gambit in "Deacon" is DEFINITELY a Cmaj7 chord. As for the "correct" spelling of the following chords in question ~ provided you have all the notes right ~ you say tomato, I say tomato. Having been weaned on "classical" harmonic theory (Walter Piston is 'da Man!), I spell my chords like Ludwig would've...As far as it being implied I-IV movement vs. a descending chromatic, that argument is pretty subjective. The bottom line is: it's a beautiful intro; play it with as many enharmonic equivalents as the mind can conjure...but jes' play the damn thing RIGHT!
This is what I sang as a kid:the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out
they eat your guts, and they spit them outI guess I must be from the limited-attention-span-TV generation.
Glad you all enjoyed the "wine list"-I just had to get it off my chest!
tom-lowly worm! You must have a fairly young son. Lowly worm books are some of my nephew's favorites. Still sitting here dreaming of Zion, Bryce, Sequoia, or any great natural escape from this damn cubicle!
ruby baby-you play blackjack? I'll bet we could commandeer a table and have the dealers playing for us to win!
aja
Oh yeah, I forgot -- M Cruiser: Nice kitty cats...
I'm curious... Watching the new poll I notice there are a fair amount who have stated Steely Dan as their choice for most "influential" artist in pop music.I would love to hear the arguments for such a statement. I mean, I like/listen to Steely Dan more than any of the other artists presented, but to say they were more influential than the Beatles or Bob Dylan seems odd.
The question is not who do you like best, but who was more influential. And I know a lot of Stones fans who'd take issue with the current results of this poll...
StAl
hutch - the only way you can play that chord is from your soul, start by grining your pelvis against the back of your guitar while stroking the neck with an overhanded contorted jesture.It helps to be double jointed in the thumbs like me. Your pick hand needs to alternate from the front mellow pickup to the back harsh one repeatedly. Then you need a little David Byrne chicken head bob going. Next is a vaporization into total nerdvanna one with the guitar. Definitely not standard tuningHeidi Ho - my Italian is pretty sloppy but hey
New York City is a such buzz to visit I do not know why I do not go more often here. If you have not been never here, to go I immediately pray. Saint Francisco, also. These are the concerts to dream approximately. Just like the exposures of Delayed Donald of the 80s and the 90s begins them - magical. In order to feel That Sin Approximately Me - Dupree of the cousins and the oldies in therefore small center of the reunion, while still little wrap it of principle... yes and then is hanging to the block with the roba of the assassin of the king.
H.H. I must ask "Are you related to Orrifice of Olga?" ;-]
high in the custerdome...
Jeeez!! All I said was "I really like those intro chords to Deacon Blues". Now look what's happened!tom - I popped a joint in my bird finger trying to play that NflatTsus2U a couple of years ago. Haven't attempted it since.
no,idiot - You can say what you want but I can tell you one thing for sure... Clas' music is definitely NOT lame!!
New York City è un tal ronzio da visitare. Non so perchè non vado più
spesso là. Se non siete stati mai là, andare prego immediatamente. San
Francisco, anche.
Questi sono i concerti da sognare circa. Giusto come le esposizioni di
Donald del 80s ritardato e del 90s iniziale - magici. Per sentire Che Peccato Circa Me - Dupree del cugino ed i oldies in così
piccola sede della riunione, mentre la fascia ancora poco un di
massima... sì ed allora sta appendendo al blocco con lo roba dell' assassino del re.
Foro di Heidi
great morning in NYC today... on Q104 the classic rock station they played Hey 19 and then said this weekend they would be giving away tickets to the VH-1 "Storytellers" thingie (yes they did mention the new album too, about how Walter plays most of the guitar on it "and very tasty too"), and then I flipped over to the smooth jazz station CD101.9 and they were playign "What A Shame About Me"!! Just too cool...
The Deacon Blues thread seems to be fragmenting ... but anyway, here goes:Question 1 - what's the key?
I'm sure the first chord is Cmaj7, not C#maj7. Listen to a CD version to be sure your tape or turntable speed isn't confusing things.
Clas - if the songbook you mention is the one I'm thinking of, it has a lot of problems with keys (as well as chords). I seem to remember it had Josie written out in Ebm, and Aja in C. This is wrong, no? Josie should be Em, and Aja B. Like I said, treat Steely Dan songbooks with caution. They're not always right.
(The only one I bought has DBlues starting with Cmaj7 though)
Question 2 - is the second chord a mu-major (Gsus2/B ... or Gadd2/B if you like) or is it a Bm7#5?
This is subjective. They could all be used to describe B A D G.
I don't like m7#5 personally - this chord is THE classic late-period Steely Dan Mu-Major, so for me, the name has to based around a major triad with a second - hence Gsus2/B or Gadd2/B.(So Scott, yes - alternative names might help some people to visualise what's happening ...
Oleander - yes, a Steve Gadd chord! Nice thought ...)
Second, personally, I don't hear the bass line as defining the tonics. I hear the "essence" of the chord sequence as lots of IV-I changes, i.e C, G, Bb, F etc. If you tend to hear the chords as C Bm Bb Am, fine - go for the m7#5.
Another random chord observation - the charts shown on the Aja classic albums programme were interesting, but I was a bit freaked out seeing maj7 chords written as "F7 ... G7". Kind of odd, but since the voicings were spelled out, I guess it was OK.
Howard
hummm, when I am through with your distant relatives I'll snack on the latest topsoilian treat. Oh and by the way, bury those jeans in the backyard to break them in. I love going through a lady's Calvin's.the opening chords to Deacon Blues are Lsharp Nflat Tsuspended2 U
all your turntable speeds are ear elle a vent
rb - Delerious - nodda, any suggestions where to start?Miz Quackster - my stealth mode is soilent running
boy you indulgence of this poetic jem reminds me of "great big gobs of greasy grimy gopher guts, mutilated monkey..." I'll stop while I'm behindbab sis amy fa bree-c-o!
I heard a sappy KiKi Dee song last night (soft rock station playing at the sush buffett) and I swear the ending sounded like the intro to Do It Again. Or was that the calamiri dancing in my in test toe null track
those black cards...
investion = inversion
I just dropeed the needle on Deacon Blues and compared the first tones on the album with my tones on my piano and keyboard....
since there seems to be some kind of translation problem with Western notation and Swedish notation, the right hand voicing notes - all around middle C - bottom to top are B, E and G. That would indicate either a 2nd investion E minor, or wait!, the bass note is a C, therefore making the chord
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A C maj7! Wow!
Either
1. you are an idiot
2. the turntables ARE Faster in Sweden - perhaps to make up for the relative 'slowness' of the culture
3. in 1979, they were stoned or shooting heroin - or both! - even the publishers - and I believe the accuracy of that published book has been previously called into question
4. you are an imbecile
5. all of the aboveand the correct answer is 5! Man, you are so lame, I bet your music is, too!
Edd - damn! I thought you said "analyse"!RubyBaby - it started out crappy? And it's turning out fine after all! Great! That's the way it's gonna be.
Yes I will listen to those songs, talk to you later!
I read a book by William Styron (Sophies Choice etc) called "A Visible Darkness", amazing and great. And funny.
JW Malibu - the chords to Deacon Blues are: Dbmaj7 Cm7+5 Cbmaj7 Bbm7+5 Ebmaj7 Dm7+ Dbmaj7 Cm7+5 and 3/4: Emaj7, 6/4: Cm7+5
Then the singing begins on Dbmaj7.
All according to the Steely Dan /Double Deluxe / THE ROYAL SCAM/AJA - songbook. Bought it back in 1979.
Play along with the original recording from the album AJA and you'll see I'm right. Or, if you have a perfect pitch, just listen to it.
In that songbook "Brother" Dias are also having a chapter where he tells a little about the mu-chords, in a very funny way.
C
Dear Stranger and Stranger,
I have been Stranger around here since before dylan left Hibbing. Think of another name, okay? Or if you must, call yourself Eastcoast Stranger. There are lots and lots of names from Dan songs still unused. Look around.
Okay, here's how I learned the Worm Song when I was a kid--****warning! y'all probably don't want to be eating breakfast as you read this one****
Don't you ever laugh as the hearse goes by,
For you may be the next to die.
They wrap you up in a big white sheet
From your head down to your feet.
They put you in a big black box
And cover you up with dirt and rocks.
All goes well for about a week,
But then your coffin begins to leak.
The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out,
The worms play pinochle on your snout.
They eat your eyes, they eat your nose,
They eat the jelly between your toes.
A big green worm with rolling eyes,
Crawls in your stomach and out your eyes.
Your stomach turns a slimy green,
And pus pours out like whipping cream.
You spread it on a slice of bread,
And that's what you eat when you are dead.****Don't say I didn't warn you!****
Gad, I must have had a much stronger stomach when I was a kid! Whew!
/Mam'zelle Daphne Canard/Miz Ducky
laying down in her hole till she satisfies her soul, and then jumping back out of it very very fast
Roy,God help me but I remember the song this way:
Don't ever laugh when a hearse goes by for you may be the next to die.
They wrap you up in a big white sheet and bury you just about six feet deep.
The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out. They crawl into the dead man's snout.
They eat your eyes, they eat your nose, they eat the buggers between your toes.Hope this helps(?) Now on the Ed Wood and a 5th of Mad Dog.
ole - i think fabric is the greatest thing ever. it is nice to hear of someone who respects it as much as i do. and i agree we should talk about fabric at least during one post. at least tell me what fabric you are wearing. just kidding. but, seriously i could talk about it all day. call me bonkers.shakin it for two more chapters
amy
anybody ever shovel tons of snow at 1200mid after a few popsyeahweee
sewt you free toyubastards
STuey
in Chat 11:30 PM EST
E'bound--hey, need a doctor on your little junket?Heidi hi--you lucky stiff. Yes, I'd visit him too. And thank God for Romance languages.
Herm--You'd give Tony Robbins a run for his money. Hilarious. And lovely advice, too.
Scott--Victor Wooten rules. I've seen him a few times with BF & the Flecktones, and he's fantastic.
aja--those are some vintage wines. Oh, my sides.
Howard et al.--Wow! They named a chord after Steve Gadd? And he doesn't even play guitar!
fezo--well put.
bab sis--hi, I'm oleander and I'm a fabriholic. Another thing that doesn't show up too well on the GB.
Chris--ok, hi there. Just jump in.
Ruby, Andy--Outback must have a universal tape loop. The only time I ever went to the local one (dragged by my offspring) I heard the opening strains of Home At Last as I walked in the door. And Ruby--to see who sez what, it's probably best to just go there & read.
RS--the worms were playing pinochle on my funnybone when I read that. And Scott, knowing line 2 is awesome.
That is weird, every time I visit the local Outback (just to make sure the cholesterol doesn't get too low), they are *always* playing some Steely Dan. Strange.-Andy
This day started out so crappy you wouldn't believe it, but it's turning out fine after all!Midnite: thanks for the help. I'll find that old skin file...
Clas: Listen to Home At Last & Sign In Stranger back to back and I will too. I think there are a couple of tiny places where the rhythm is close. I never would have noticed if I didn't hear it in bits & pieces that night.
The Outback's food is nothing to rave about, but they never fail to play a Steely Dan song.
rb
Thanks Hutch. I'm not pissed or anything, that's why I put the happy face down at the bottom. Hope no one took that the wrong way!-Chris
Thanks Hutch. I'm not pissed or anything, that's why I put the happy face down at the bottom. Hope no one took that the wrong way!-Chris
Who plays Bodisattva 10 times a day but can't still can't spell it
Chris - Now that I've gone back and looked at your post from yesterday I see you're in need of more than just a welcome! Sorry but I don't know enough about that WinZip thing to be able to help. Can anybody else offer some advice?
Hey Chris!
I saw your name on here the other day and meant to post a welcome. I'm glad you're here with us. Sorry it took me so long to say so. I really think the people on here are very open to newcomers but we're only human and we slip up sometimes. Good to have you at the party and that goes for all the other new folks as well.
Ruby....I'm not sure what happened buy I'll tell you how I do it and you can compare notes. I just download the zip file and save it to my skins folder in Winamp. Once the download is through, I go into my skins folder and unzip the program using Winzip in the Auto mode and let it do it's own thing. Then when I start Winamp again I click on the box in the upper left corner and come down the list to Options and then over to the Skin Browser setting and click on it. I then have a box of all the skins I've downloaded and unzipped and can just double click on any or them to make it the active skin. I hope this is of some help. If not, just drop me a message or an e-mail and I'll try to be of more assistance. Hope you get to use them!To whoever posted the Steely Dan desktop theme. Thanks! Nice job.
MC
rb - i am really enjoying myself. it is what i have always wanted to do. yeah the fibers minor is part of natural sciences. i figured it would be a good thing to have under my belt for later. right now i want to be a pr person for a designer. i think that would be the bomb. the fibers thing is just something really cool to be an expert in, and looks great on the resume in my buissiness.shakey
amy
Midnite C: I've obtained one steely dan skin. But guess what happened? I downloaded a skin from one of the sites, then I uzipped it and now it's in pieces! I can't seem to get it into my winamp. But as I view each section, I can tell it looks great! What did I do wrong?friendly soil conditioner: I thought everyone knew that little poem, which can be sung to the melody of the Laurel & Hardy theme song. Typically, the worm is seen as an animal located conveniently near the bottom of the food chain, but you're really opening my eyes...
oh- do you ever listen to Delerious?aja: You've given me some hilarious moments, too. We should have a ball in Vegas! Cute "wine" list.
BabylonSister: Forgive me, I really thought you were kidding, more or less. I know from experience - when frustrations are being vented on each other's belongings, it's no far from the place where frustrations are vented upon each other directly. The time to get a handle on things is now. Put pride away, as it just blinds us to our options and separates us from our potential. Lecture over.
That's a really cool major you're studying. I didn't know one could minor in fabrics. Wow!rb
Alrighy, I'll try myself. You guys aren't very open to new comers, are you?:-)
-Chris
tom - oh trust me i am reading about those babylonians also and the sumerians and the mesopotamians and the assyrians. i know about the fashion of them all. but there are not any reported textiles found before some excovaations done in egypt. that is what the book "survey of historic costume" is telling me. they have lots of pics, and artwork done on clay pots and cave walls (of altamira) that can only depict what the babylonians and such were wearing.
i am a fashion design, merchandising, image cansultant major with a minor in fibers. cool huh. so if you need any fashion advice come to me. that goes for you two don and walt.shakin it with some fabric
amy
Hello All, Thank you Howard for clearing up the mess. I was not disputing the chords, merely adding an addition way to view them so someone "might" visualize them better. As stated the tones in the voicing are B,A,D and G so Gsus2/B,Gadd2/B and Bm7#5 will all tell the players the required notes to play.For you non musicians these are called enharmonic equivalents. A Gsus"4"/B has the tones G,C,D and B so as Howard stated "where's the C" and finally a Dm7-5 has the tones D,F,Ab and C so Dm7-5 and Gsus4/B are NOT enharmonic equivalents. (keep using that term and impress your friends)As a player "in the trenches" I don't care what you call it, just play it right. Thanks Howard for the great site. You obviously know your shit and I would love to play with you some day. I KNOW how much time and effort went into it so THANK YOU. Now on a TOTALLY different and disgusting note "Your body turns a slimey green and out comes something like whipping cream" (the rest of The worms crawl in... poem) That was as closs to swearing as you came when I was a little kid. PEACE
Clas: Jay dub has it right. Your turntable must have been a bit fast.
aja: your wine list was a classic. i think you covered them all.Stevie: Well said. I think a lot of the pr hacks and music press have really missed the point of the new release. It isn't the standard reunion like Bad Company or the Eagles adding two or three "new" songs from the vaults and/or failed solo careers onto a live album or greatest hits package, and suddenly announcing they're back.
Babylon Sister: It's never too early or too late (as long as the heart is beating) to leave a relationship where one of the partners is irrationally violent. I personally don't think mediation is the answer when domestic violence is involved; usually an abuser needs the threat of an angry judge waving his or her gavel or the sound of the handcuffs clicking; mediatators just by the nature of their role can't have such an impact.
re: ClasToo little, too late. You'll never win me over now.
the turntables in Sweden spin a bit fast
JW Malibu - that's fine with me, but, is the key changed? It was C#maj7 Cm7+5 etc etc, when I played along with the vinyl way back.
Intro to Deacon Blues ~ The half-step descending bassline clearly defines the tonic of the chords residing above:Bass line ~ C B Bb A D Db C B
Hence ~ Cmaj7 Bm7#5 Bbmaj7 Am7#5
Dmaj7 Dbm7#5 Cmaj7 Bm7#5
...and on to the requisite Ebmaj7 in one bar 3/4 to E7#9 in one bar of 6/4.
Stevie Dan - good assessment. few people "reunion" so gracefully. Look at the Who, Zep, and Yes for starters. As for a band that is still with integrity and not churning out the old, try King Crimson - a little overwelming at times, but they lay to waste all their young upstart imitatorsroyscam and Ruby twos dade - are we dating ourselves here, man even I hadn't heard that one
anybody like to hear Wlat and Dono do a 2000's updated on the Kid of Charlemagne?
here's a slight pathetic stab - you can tell I am bored, no?
all the dayglo no longer sticks into his hair
his kidneys in repair
just get me on out of here
damn this nurse she sticks the needle oh so rough
I must have had enough
I'd go to L.A. on a plane with my grandkids along...
could you live forever,
left no pension to play
watch all that laundered money blow away hey heyfumbling on, no so strong
Kid Charlemagne
fumbling on Kid Charlemagne
to discover the knowledge/certifiability/real status of Clas' notated claim, and perhaps his life:http://clasrules.com/iwrotethesong/steelydanstoleit.com
Clas- "Pretentious asshole'? God, look who's calling the kettle black. You wrote the book on being an ASSHOLE!
Edd Cote, I knew you were a pretentious asshole, but this, this was really something. Go fuck yourself.Clas
Apologize to me Clas.I'm waiting.
Howard - Deacon Blues begins with C#maj7 uh? At least it does on the vinyl, maybe they lowered the key on the livegigs, maybe you can Stump the Fogel on that one but... and then Cm7+5? Following by Bmaj7, Bbm7+5, Ebmaj7, Dm7+5, which was the chord I was talking about some posts ago, but said "-" instead of "+" and then I involved poor Edd and now he's dancing and... SHIT, you can stop DANCE now Edd, it was the other guys fault, and I know that the intro stays a 3/4 on Emaj7, quite fancy.
My 2 cents on this Deacon Blues chord stuff:Scott: Yes, you could call the Gsus2/B Bm7#5
(just to be clear, the notes (low to high) are B A D G)
... it's partly a matter of taste. I know the songbooks always write m7#5, but who looks to the songbooks for the right answers eh?Anyway, calling this Bm7#5 denies its essential mu-major character. You could call it Gadd2/B, you're right - if the 3rd is in the bass, I'm never sure whether to write Gsus2/B or Gadd2/B. I tend to think of the Deacon Blues intro sequence as a a series of IV-I changes - essentially, C -> G, Bb -> F. but spiced up, so you have Cmaj7, Gsus2/B etc.
Clas - you couldn't call this a Gsus4/B - where is the C? sus2 and sus4 are different beasts, even though some songbooks don't seem to know the difference.
A general point - the guitar in the original track plays only the top triads (Em Gsus2 Dm Fsus2 etc). It's easier to get a smooth sound this way, but adding in the bass note changes (C B Bb A) is not that hard, and finishes off the harmony. It works well on one guitar.
Howard
Dance for me Edd, dance...
I'm waiting...
Clas, can you point me to where I identified that chord?
Or is it about US?
Hallo Yankees! Have you saved the world today again? No?RubyBaby - "how similar the piano chords of Home At Last are to those of Sign In Stranger, both in rhythm and actual tone...". Minor 9. But I don't agree with you "in rythm".
Scott Drecks - Gsus2/B? Okay, but it's also a Gsus4/B in that case. The correct name is Dm7-5 (according to Edd "The World As I See It" Cote).
Mayor Rudy, be honored, you big clod, Crosby Stills Young & Nash are singing a song about you;
(CSNY, Looking Forward, Seen Enough, S. Stills)
"...we got dead-eyed, dead drunk,
dead stupid cyberpunks
fed-up killer geeks
gigabyte meth freaks
home alone
in a world of their own
up all night
in the thicks of the fight
fantasy combat veteran psychos
removed from the reality
by silicon diodes
Seen enough
I have seen enouhg of this
have you read enough son,
you don't know nothin' about it
You got the powerbooks potentates
pointedly obviate
every opinion they have about anything
even if
they DON'T KNOW SHIT
stay in the limelight
got your own website
got all the answers
aint got a lick of sense
practicing psychiatry
without a licence..."
Howdy, C
Just a few words of relative sanity.....was wondering how many of you realized how lucky we are to be getting a new Steely Dan record......
geez these guys could have done a Tom Johnston like Doobie Brothers reunion and start playing for old pot smokers in Reno...or a Glenn Frey Eagles w/Joe Walsh thingy "how great our we .....really.....let me count the ways.....
Steely Dan are like Debussy and Satie....sneaky....covert....they have their own personal code of ethics....don't settle for shit....not everyone can see where they are coming from....not the least of which are Record Co. types and Radio execs....I saw in the Billboard piece how one programmer said it would be hard to add STeely Dan to his playlist: "hey shithead Steely Dan MADE FM radio back in the '70's......in between all the crud like Foreigner, Journey and disco was Steely Dan...they were a unique link to various sounds......to see them minimalized today is atrocious......from jazz to disco to the Doobies and the Eagles Steely Dan never sounded out of place........it is a true miracle that they are still kickin'today and have enough balls to put out new music....after all they could just sit back and live off the royalties to 'Aja' forever...or they could be playing 'the Boston Rag in Reno'........just a few thoughts as the ....countdown continuesps-it is raining here in Singapore, Chinese New year is a week and half away....Year of the Dragon......auspicious
serpentine subterranean night crawler: I thought the pinochle question referred to the poem: "The worms crawl in; the worms crawl out. The worms play pinochle on your snout." Anybody know the second line?Schwinn: Angels and Chains. Sounds like an Ed Wood movie.
Yes, 4 AM, there is a time to post and a time to refrain from posting. ... This is not one of them.
RS
Clas,Yes, I am here. Thank you for drawing me back into this infernal racket.
Roy, yes, I am very jealous that you get to put chains on your tires and make snow angels.
Ballah, if I bet on Seurat what are my odds of getting a decent Italian meal at this hour?
amy - first archeology ruins are from babylon area, as for Egypt they have actually found bricks without the straw as told by Moses in Exodus and many other interesting biblical artifacts one never hears about. So who made the first risk hay under garmentos? viva le france'? or was Helen of Troy tying mem to the mast and pulling out their eyes with a stunning bus te aye?
Roll over mad on ahDavid in the FA roomosa - hey enjoyed your techno motor song, you have a claptonesque voice, nice
new scott - enjoy ed your comments - and thanks for the axe tips
aja and ruby - as for hearing the dan in neat places, when I learned to downhill ski in Michigan they used to pipe AJA all day long on the slopes. Never got that treatment in God's country of color ado, but then knee deep powder is a wonderful vice for college boys
~ ~ ~ ~ too much work makes tomoso a dull wormhead ~ ~ ~ ~
topsoilian escape from the dime dancing, bye!~
Pre-order @ Amazon.com @ midnight eastern summary:Steely Dan - Two Against Nature #10
Smashing Pumpkins - Machina #77
ballah with the soap lathah: They have Zigfried and Roy blow-up dolls with your number on them.
yo tom i am studing about the excavation of some of the fist textiles ever found. it is in my fashion history class. it is pretty cool. it was in egypt wear they prodominately wore linen. and yes he does have redeeming qualities. we all get a little stressed out sometimes. i am sorry to here about your previous. i can relate, i have a two and half year old son. he's my number one love.mayor rudy - that was pretty funny what you said about clas's drinking binge. i was cracking up at the computer screen ha ha ha ha ha ha.
shakin it for one more chapter
amy
Oh Man, there is some funny shit on this GB! Ballah shot Callah...Sick, Funny, Endlessly Full of Shit. And the Fabulous Responses! Way better than TV...LOL.
Clas-Thanks for the Kind Words.
A bit chilly here, especially on the outdoor Gigs...but No shoveling Involved. Be Well Everyone. D
My dear Babylon Sister: If a wife of mine could not speak to me because of a urinary emergency, I would not freak out, I would not break her CD's. No, I would speak to her in a calm, respectful manner, and find out why she acted the way she did, because after all, communication is the key to any relationship. And if it were the other way around, and she broke something of mine, why, I'd take her aside and ask her as delicately as I could to find out why she acted the way she did and try to find out where the anger is coming from. I would never retaliate. No, ma'am, that's just not courteous.Yours Graciously,
Juice
toodlesjust got back from the doublewide, damn missed that dukes of hazard rerun. Guess I'll go postal in re tally a shun and dump all thy pomposity on this guest book.
I could do a little song ala DTMA but na, too much to do here at work. Deadlines schmedmines
Amy - I had a wife who ended up being a loose cannon abrasive whirlwind. Fortunately i'm three years away from that, but she still trys to meddle up anything she can. A real pity for my son's sake. Herm's right, don't re tal e ate, it only hight ends the tension. A little warm response when he anxiety binges will go a long way. Certainly he has his redeeming qualities.
Reminds me of a story of an old college roomate and how I stopped him from ever using my stereo again - some other time...
Aja - Zionizers unite. Lets take the switchback chain and pully route up spectacularly exposed ledges to a killer view of the Great WHite THrone. Can't wait.
Ruby Doobie - Pinochle? why do you ask?
Everyone I knew that played that game was addicted in a fun way.
Try playing Sheepshead with some Cajuns or Euchere with Michiganders.Stranger - looks like I for one will be owning a DVD player soon. NOw if Suzanne Vega woulc only release that hot little 88 Royal Albert Hall show ala DVD, I'd be too weak at the knees
I enjoy GBers modifying my namesake, as I recip as well. Funny I have used all the ones listed so far, except topsoilant green (good one)
best internet abuse dan line?
we could stay inside and play games, I don't know
or you could have a change of heart...
Ricki don't lose that e-mail you don't wanna post nobody else
send it off in a letter to yourselfDon and Walt, are you tuned in? Wanna revise it ala 2000?
Help me! I just downloaded the Steely dan reader and the other program i needed, and after clicking the next key on the Win Zip wizzard 4 times, this message pops up: Cannot copy file C:\Windows\temp\install3\deml.dl_ since the destination file is already in use. Can anybody help me out with this? thanks...
-chris
PS to dan steely: Hmm... on the computor all day posting messages in the guestbook... I've counted a couple from you. You obviosly serched for this site. Why'd you do that? So you could hurl insults at us?
Balla, You are getting stomped here, sort of like Clas was last year when he was on a drinking binge. The GB is no place to show your arrogance, this site is as worldly as it gets, except for New York of course, You like Hilary Clinton should stop before you are trampled.
TWO AGAINST NATURE FELL TO 37 TODAY ON AMAZON.COM MUSIC LIST.THE TAPE WAS THE ONLY ONE RANKED THAT HASN`T BEEN RELEASED, SO THAT IN ITSELF SHOWS THE MARKET IS STRONG ANTICIPATING ITS 2-29 RELEASE.....
Someone asked about good wines earlier, so I thought I'd share my favorite wines.1. All you guys do is talk about Steely Dan. You need to get a life like me and spend your all your time repeatedly posting negative messages on websites that you don't even like.
2. I'm new and nobody has answered my post for 30 minutes. You're all so clique-ish and nobody gave me any of the codes I'm supposed to talk in.
3. I'm listening to 2vN and it rocks, especially the horns on "Cousin Dupree"! (must be posted under name no one has ever seen before).
4. I'm eating dal bahar and pondering Picasso because I'm so fucking sophisticated. How come none of you assholes around here like me?
Please feel free to partake with me.
aja
Oh Ballah/Dan Steely - whichever personality you wish to assume:If you are so perfect and all knowing, what the fuck are you doing posting on the Guestbook? You remind me of someone I "used" to know, thought he was perfect and all knowing in trying to dazzle us with his knowledge of the art world, fine wines and food, but in reality the poor slob was just a loser, a lonely loser, no one wanted to go near him. Think about this next time you revel over one of your gastronomical delights of falafel, satay and Chef Boyardee, and remember to wash it all down with a fine bottle of Le Pepto Bismol, 1986 - you silly ass freak!
all is fair in love and war. meditation is fine but, not when it comes to bustin up my cds. i just though it was a funny story to tell to the fans. i didn't think i would get so much feed back. instead of giving me past due advice why don't you tell me what you would have done if someone (your spouse) was bustin your shit up. your probobly thanking god now you didn't marry someone so volitol. i am not so lucky.shakin on in life
amyp.s. we are fine and love each other very much (for now)
You weren't the only one thinking that, Herm. Good call. Okay, line three, we have a young man who talks in long, rambling paragraphs, and has an unnatural obsession with rock star blow-up dolls. Caller, are you still there...?
To Dan Steely:
Creed sucks. Thanks for the laugh.
-Chris
Babylon Sister (Amy) ~ Revenge isn't the answer. Mediation or a divorce is. If this guy really flipped out and broke your cd's because you wouldn't talk to him while you were peeing, then he either needs councelling, or to be a great distance away from you. Maybe both. Escalating the problem by smashing his clubs doesn't do anything but eventually make the lawyers richer.
Later,Herm
thank you for the clue in on the cordless, but i was on my cell and i just don't chat and pee. plus, i knew it was him and felt like being a bitch. hey we all get moody, that is no reason to disrespect the dan. yeah the clubs were a great idea. i can almost gaurantee that he will never touch anything that belongs to me again. it is a shame it had to go that far. he must have been on drugs that day.
milk shakin it
amy
dan steely - i think you sux and i think the band creed sux also. and that is why we think your opinion is worthless, because you listen to shit like that. why would you even admit it. keep that kind of crap to youself. we like steely dan, we like talking in steely, and naming our stuff. oh and we do just listen to the music.shaken my opinion
amy
"dansteely" - Honestly man, your post was the best laugh I've had all day! Nobody here gives a damn about your opinion of us. Why should we?
Mitch....you can buy Making of Aja on VHS for $69.99 or on Laser Disc for $79.45 from CDNow at:http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=491748788/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=STEELY+DAN/select=video
OR, you can pre-order the Making of Aja on DVD (to be released in March) from Ken Crane's (http://www.kencranes.com) for $13.99
VHS isn't dead and it's great for time shifting or recording anything to keep but you can't beat the picture and sound quality of the DVD at an incredible savings.
ruby baby....did you get the skins?
MC
Dan Steely-so do we! Hate to say it buddy, but you sound just like us.ruby baby-oh you make me laugh especially! Not to mention help keep me focused on the right track. Can't wait for Vegas. I love the mental picture of a woman on the john with a phone-"I BEG your pardon?"
Sociable Hermit-glad to see you back. Funny thing about negativity-I've found that it comes in (generally) two forms: that all enveloping fog that blots out your view of the world but actually is not nearly as thick as it seems from the inside, and deep despair/loss that tilts the world off its axis and rips everything that you took for granted out of your soul. The ironic thing is that I've had some of my greatest moments of joy while in the depths of the latter, perhaps because extreme loss made me appreciate the ordinary. Live/love all you can, but don't beat yourself up too much on days when you just can't.
tom-closing my eyes and visualizing Zion!
Was driving around surfing the radio when I caught the tail end of this great guitar-"What A Shame About Me". This is gonna be good-savoring the days 'til 2/29.
aja
and after blunted, it gets EVEN BETTER
Ha. I couldn't believe the anger! I thought you were all a bunch of docile children! I was wrong. I have loved "the Dan" for as long as they've been a band. I just listen to the music and enjoy it. I've been to see them perform every chance I've had. I listen to the music and enjoy it. I didn't name my dog or my car after them. I don't over analyze the lyrics and speak in a language based on them. You all need to calm down. Not me. I just listen to the music and enjoy it. Then I go on with my life and enjoy other things. That's the way it is. This page is much more than merely a small part of your active lives...there are a hundred posts a day! This is an obsession. I only bother to write because my fingers are dancing to a new Creed CD. Now there's some good r&r.
Hello All, Thank you Hutch for the tip. Of course I already know the solo and chords to Kid but the fingerings were slightly different from what I use and a chance to compare was nice. As to the intro chords of Deacon Blues, they're are actually easy to play. (maybe no To HEAR) The Gsus2/B can also be called Bm7#5 or also Gadd9/B if that helps you visualize it. The thing is they are using a pedal tone for the top note of their voicing. It is a technique I love to use and one that The Yellow Jackets used to use a lot. I'm sure I'll bop into that site again, so thank you once again. Had a chance to talk to Victor Wooten last night (bassist for The Flecktones) and I must say he is a class guy. If anyone is interested in a KILLER bass player and wonderful human being, he would be someone to throw some support to. To all, Peace
Top 3 (today):
Jack of Speed, Janie Runaway, What A Shame, although there are others close and they change dailyBottom 2:
West of Holly(would someone write an ending?), 2 Against Natureit's really a winner thru and thru
TAN 3RD at Amazon is remarkable for a unreleased CD . I asked which cut was the best, for those fortunate eneough to have heard them and not surprising was the different cuts that the posters favored. Balla make my plastic doll a Mediterranean one, preferably Italian, Greek or Lebanese . I don`t think you have a clue about Ethnic Cusine, mixing Thai and Mid-East is something that they do on the West Coast. Balla is a Ballbuster and will turn into the whipping boy of the GB .The making of Aja ,is that only available on DVD? I hope VCR`S are still in use. Nice job in researching the location of Mt. Belzoni....which of course is purely fictional, but what i like to think is a jazzy state of mind.
Tied to the Mast: I heard your chosen namesake song at the Outback last night. For some bloody reason they had the volume turned low (oh -suddenly dinner conversation matters) Anyway, it made me realize how similar the piano chords of HAL are to those of Sign In Stranger, both in rhythm and actual tone. Like, I knew it was Home At Last, but sometimes it sounded so Stranger-ish that I wasn't as sure.tom O'worm: ever play pinochle?
BabSisterAmy: cordless phones let you talk & pee congruently. I know it sounds rude, but it saves a hell of a lot of time. If someone you're talking with ever asks, "Are you in the bathroom?" You have a few choices here. You could say, "What!? I BEG your pardon?" or "Yeah, wanna hear something really great?" or "Oops, ya caught me with my pants down!" Anyway, it might help save your future SD collection. And I'd hide Two Against Nature if I were you. Good job with the clubs, though!
oleander: sorry for the misquote! But if you didn't say it, then who did?
The stranger: who ARE these guys who think they can swipe YOUR name? I think you should challenge them to a duel - at sun rise. It figures they're from NY. Gives you a bit of an edge, doesn't it?
rb
Roy ~ Yes, I am jealous! We got our first serious rain of the season last night, and it wasn't cold enough in our local mountains to covert said rain to snow...hence, it ruined all the manmade snow! SOOOO glad I didn't buy a season pass this year...Whistler, B.C. - here I come!
Ballah....you're quite the wind bag. just another pompous, think you know it all, ass. I'm not impressed. get a REAl life.MC
Ballah: I've heard most of the music of each of the bands you mentioned, excluding the three in your second post. What's up with the last three? Tell me about them...I have to admit, most of those bands are too soul-less, whiny, skinny, whitey, icky, mope-y- whatevah, for my taste.
Clas - It took me a little while to get used to those chords on Deacon. They are a bit different than what I'm used to but I'm comfortable with them now. I probably would never have figured them out without Howard's tablature! The intro chords to Peg are interesting also.Hutch
YGK / Ole - E-mail me and we'll line up a time to jump in the chat room! And I'll give you my phone # also.... waiting for the wolves to come out and play.
Hutch
soulmonkey - look out Ballah has determined that Calgon is an inferior bath oil bead not suitable for the finer porcelin.heidi - what's a hot german chick doing waisting her time speaking italian? acthung baby
Distortion of speed. I will not wish to see the turn this summer in one large shed..... There are some great airs on two against the nature - instability of Janie. Nearly gotica negative girl.
social hermit - true words of wisdom and a calm response
this lowly grasshopper (oops worm) wishes to enter your presenceDolby and Winwood and D&W, this doesn't sound good on paper. I was thinking something more like Van Morrison, D&W and Fogerty on second guitar (to keep it roots based)
do you take me for a fool, do you think that I don't see
Six inches of snow so far here in East Virginia. JW, Mu, Dave, Schwinn: you jealous?GKR, Earthbound: Good to hear from you again.
ballah: Sometimes your posts remind me of that book that Jack was writing in "The Shining".
Always remember the words of the Ghostbusters: "When someone asks you if you're a god, YOU SAY YES!"
Winwood and Dolbey? I'd rather see the boys re-hook with Derringer and Dias and get a shot of rock and roll.
RS
Hey,I've been lurking for a while now ~ but obviously not posting ~ for the simple reason that I've felt rather overwhelmed lately. There's been so much going on in my life in the past few months that I've found it increasingly difficult to allow myself to clear my mind and relax even the slightest bit just so I could spit out a mindless post. But I've decided that I have to quit worrying so much about things that I can't control and allow myself a few moments of lightheartedness. So, as a consequence, please accept this, my first mindless post in a long time, in the spirit in which it is offered.
aja ~ thanks for the compliment.
Ballah ~ you write somewhat interesting posts, but be warned, assuming an "asshole persona" will start wearing on people after a while, and you will quickly move from an amusing curiosity to "that asshole with the asshole persona". Negativity only works as a reaction to a negative situation, but not even then, will it not be tolerated for long. People don't want to see themselves, or others, randomly assailed, even if it does come with your post-ending disclaimer that you're, "only kidding, really." Ask Don Rickles why he's never been able to really succeed at anything other than a series of lounge acts. People can't take him in regular doses. Even if what you're saying is true, you're being way too personal by attacking specific individuals instead of an unspecific group. People don't mind laughing at themselves if they themselves are the ones allowed to find their personal truths hidden in your statements: they don't, on the otherhand, want to be villified by name in public so everyone reading can get a laugh at their expense. Pardon me if I seem so didactic this morning, but to be honest, I'm really sick of people being so fucking negative. Myself included, since it's been that sort of an attitude lately that has closed me off in a room alone to throw my own little pity parties. It's time to say fuck it to all of the worlds distractions. Who knows how long we're going to be here? No one, and that's the point. Nobody knows the story because it's not scripted in advance. Have fun and enjoy life before you never have the chance again. In the past few weeks, we've read stories about talented and physically gifted men who have lost both of those attributes in car accidents: Bobby Phils the basketball player is dead and football player Derrick Thomas is paralyzed from the chest down. Both of these men probably thought they had everything, and would therefore enjoy it for many years to come. Well, now they can't, or at least in Thomas' case, he won't be able to enjoy it without restriction. Enough of wasting time everyone ~ it's time to start enjoying what we have, what we've learned, and what we can be.*
Now, ballah, help me out. What kind of wine best goes with a revelation?
* (For more on this, see Herm's infomercial, "Say Fuck It To Negativity And Give Me A Big Chunk Of Your Money". Contact your local cable or satellite provider for times and channel. In the meantime, have a beer and put on some music. Herm suggests a Charlie Parker record immediately follwed by Bobby Sherman's greatest hits.)
Later,
Herm
Ole/Hutch: Richmond Danfest is looking more and more like a possibility from this end....and a Suite sounds nice....I could use some of the corporate travel muscle perhaps in obtaining a suite, but we need to speak about particulars.....
meaning: Phone call? Chat in the PM?
you tell me....we have some options...Ole - it will be there tomorrow and I will need to get it back by Friday....
ygk
Aja - where are your heart tonite? With me? BUT! Hold your horses though, love's not a game for a tree.RUBYBABY - whatever your choice is. But I found a word for "bloodpudding" - "paltbread", have you heard of that?
THE Stranger - you sexy hunk of a man, never criticize another mans artistic work (shotcallah).
Hutch - yeah, those intro-chords are great (Deacon Blues). Pretty easy to play on piano, but it's almost impossible to play on guitar (for me). Do you make it?
"...somethings missing but something is found... (Young) greatest song on CSN&Y's "Looking Forward".
Dave Fla Room - got your CD, great music, very nice, love it.
C
where's Schwinn?
Gourmet? Ballah's dinner was barely a step above garbanzos and Campbell's...Fusion? Ha.
hey ballah - you forgat spaceman three, you should be in to them if you like all those bands. or you might thaink they sux. yes i can tell the difference. and your wine knowledge don't impress me much. i probobly know more than you since wine is my all time poision of choice. and if all you intake into your pompous little body is gormet, you are definately the guy for me. see i l know deep down you are a kind hearted person. or you wouldn't be on this board.shakin it to school
amy
Phhht. Tom Ka Gai, how pedestrian...
Oh, Trifecta:You forgot that I mentioned Sisler, Twombly, Magritte, and others as well. Could you, Trifecta, tell the difference between a Degas and a Cezanne? Or could you tell the difference between a Matisse and a Chagall, even though they are all radically different painters. Before you surmise that my knowledge of art is at such a low level, you'd better study a bit yourself.
You'd probably have more fun at betting horses, like some jackass. Don't you know how high the odds are stacked against you, Trifecta? Especially now that you don't have the helping hand of Ballah there to push your horse several furlongs ahead of the rest. If you apologize to me, Trifecta, and bow to Ballah, I may forgive you, and you might even win some money at the tracks sometime...
Oh, hell. Some of my favorite authors were avid horse bettors, so I shouldn't admonish or patronize you for it, necessarily, Trifecta. You just get on my damn nerves, that's all.
It was Monday night. I sat and ate my meal of falafel and Thai chicken coconut soup with bamboo shoots, and kaffir, and galangal, and straw mushrooms.....basically a fusion meal, and thought about you jackasses. As I sipped my nightly glass of Cabernet Sauvignon, I wondered what you might be eating......hamburger helper? Spam? Chef Boyardee Spagettios? A salad made entirely of iceburg lettuce, completely devoid of romaine, endive, spring greens? Maybe some of you had ordered a pizza from Pizza Hut, one of those pizzas with 100 slices of cholesterol-saturated peppery sausage. Maybe some of you were having that leftover casserole that your wife or mother-in-law always makes, but you eat it anyway because you just never learned how to cook....Maybe one of you burned the meatloaf...AGAIN, but ate it anyway because you like the taste of carbon. And as I listened to the Gastr Del Sol CD that a friend of mine burned for me, I sent out my warming hand to attempt to lift your souls out of mediocrity. The healing hand of Ballah. But as I touched your souls, I was singed by the angry, and insolent comments that some of you were making as my aura transcended the globe in those evening hours. Some of you called me childish, and compared my intellect to that of a sophomore high school student. It is you who will be destroyed by the Don and Walt blow up dolls. They will unite and bring you from all corners of the nation, the world, and heap you into a huge bonfire after raping you repeatedly.....and they will dance around the bonfire, strap on dildos flapping and flopping, as you shreik in agony, as you shiver and crackle, and the last breath of life leaves you. And your souls will forever wander the lands, unwittingly singing Steely Dan songs, wandering ghosts babbling about technicolor motorhomes, and boddhisatvas, and charlie freaks, and gaslight annie or abbie, or whatever the fuck. And every time a Steely Dan song comes on the radio, all of your ghosts will become more focused and come close to materializing, but then disappear with a gust of wind when the song ends....Anyway, back to my cup of French Market coffee, mmmmm, this shit is good. As the latest Yo La Tengo album tickles my ears, I laugh at you all, locked into your world of Dandom. You can be redeemed, but only by the grace of Ballah. Bow to me, apologize for your sins, and I may allow you to enter into my kingdom. In my kingdom, there is no fast food allowed, and no soft drinks. Only healthy and gourmet dishes will be eaten, and either water or good wine from Napa and Sonoma (which are severely overworked right now by the way) and Chile, Southeastern Australia, New Zealand. Only these wines will be drunk. White Zinfandel will not be allowed, Rhine, and Blush, and no boxed wine will be allowed. And you will be exposed to all of the great works of art in the world, and all of the beautiful music you could ever listen to, but it won't just be Steely Dan. You'll hear groups like Guided By Voices, Built To Spill, Massive Attack, Sea and Cake, Auburn Lull, The Czars(awesome new band signed to Bella Union), Bedhead, Belle and Sebastian, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emporer, Stereolab, Sebadoh, Seam, and many hundreds more. You will come to the profound realization that although Steely Dan is one of the greatest bands on earth, ever to exist, that there are other things out there that matter. You will have avoided the crushing hand of Ballah, and will be held my healing palm, and dance in a wild orgy forever. And the Don and Walt blow up dolls will lust for you, and try to break into my kingdom, and scratch at the pleasure dome bubble around my kingdom, as in Coleridge's Kublai Khan, but they will not be able to penetrate the pleasure dome to rape and violate your orifices. And all of the GBers will exist in harmony, eating well, getting drunk off the nectar of the earth, having lustful and passionate heterosexual sex with one another, basking in beautiful rays of sunlight, listening to the ocean waves breaking on the reefs, and the sound of the wind blowing through tall pines, both sounds very similar. And there will be a gigantic 1 million disc CD player, and every once in awhile a Steely Dan song will come on and we will rejoice for having heard it, but not overplaying it. And the dancing orgy will continue into eternity............
Ballah has spoken......All praise be to Ballah.Babylon Sistah: Yes, I will marry you, and add you as a concubine. Give me your email address, and I will send you a picture, full of the radiant beauty of Ballah. Believe it or not, I am a very good looking guy, by the way, and am always looking for new partners to spread my seed, so that my genetically superior children will one day take over the world as I sit in my pleasure dome kingdom and watch in admiration of my progeny.
Just kidding, really, guys. You all crack me up so much. Most of you are actually pretty intelligent, and I admire you all for the most part. Some of you are somewhat irksome, but hey, you're a great bunch. I just like to yank your chains every once in awhile. I know it's all bullshit and very egotistical and unrealistic, but I have fun with it, sometimes at all of your expense. Sorry if any of your lame asses have had your little feelings hurt.
Ballah: Congratulations on mentioning "ass" and its myriad of synonyms more times in a single post than any of us other GBers ever dreamt possible!I think I can safely speak for all of us when I say, "Ballah, you are truly the asshole of the month." How can one argue the point? You could possibly be asshole of the year!
Oh, and thank you as well for displaying your 10th grade education for all of us to marvel upon. Oooo! The way you mentioned Bosch, Picasso and Dali to prove your point almost transcended the depth of my Freshman art text book!
Just goes to show you that obsession may long for a row-house but it lives in a double-wide.
WOWI don't know what else to say
Take me away CALGON
These guys are GODS, I'm sure of it.
20 years was worth the wait
Utter harmonic bliss
In my easy-chair
Attenzione. Non posso credere che stia andando a New York il venerdì vedere questo concerto. Distorsione di velocità. Non desidererò vedere il giro questa estate in una tettoia grande. Sarò guastato. E la lista di canzone sembra fantastica.Chiunque che va al nazi della minestra con me?
Grazie julie per la trasmissione della fotografia piacevole.
Pensate il walter canterete Jack di velocità? È ci assistere asiatico delle donne? Venderanno i maglietti?
distorsione di velocità. Ci sono alcune arie grandi su due contro la natura - instabilità di Janie. Ragazza negativa. quasi gotica.
Il vostro,
Foro Di Heidi
Ballah: you kill me, man! In response to your desperate plea for info I'm happy to report that you can find a tuba on East St. Louis Toodle-oo... it's most pronounced during the slide guitar solo a little over a minute into the song... Do I win a prize? (BTW, I'll trust you to find the hammer.)
Hello fellow Danizens,I can hardly believe my ears. Release date is imminent.
And Leap Day it is... ha!So, there I was, driving through the old hometown,
listening to a station which occasionally plays
Snowbound, Any Major Dude..., or even Turn That
Heartbeat over Again, and what announcement do I hear?"You're listening to WTTS on a very special Steely Dan
weekend... when you hear two Steely Dan cuts back-to-back,
be the ninth caller, and register to see Steely Dan play
LIVE in New York City at the end of this month..."Could it be true??? The DJ went on to describe the
all-expense-paid TRIP for two, and m'ladyfriend said,
"Well, it looks like we're staying until you hear two
of 'em..." I drove on, with a shit-eatin' grin. It
just seems like I remember EXACTLY where I was the
second I hear new material from the lads. Whether it
was new Dan, new solo stuff, whatever. You too?Normally, I would've grabbed an armload of appropriate
beverages, some excellent nibblies, and THE NEW ONE.
It would've been me on a fat lounger with a fattie,
sippin' fully, as the lyrics(if provided)fell down
around me. Seems traditional.But now, after finding out the release date, things
are gonna change. I'm leaving on a hugely anticipated
surprise Bahamian cruise for m'honey, followed by a
run down to the Keys. We'll be underway on Leap Day,
so I'll hafta hunt a record store once we return, and
play the hell outta 2vN headin' for the Keys!!!
Fuck, I'm gonna hafta buy the CD and the tape, just
in case!ZEKE: Holy Mackerel! The time is nigh!
Hoops: High School deja vu? I'm witcha!
Scott - Nice to have you here with us!
I play a bit of guitar myself. There's a terrific website with very accurate Steely tabs you might want to check out. (Okay, I know all the rest of you have seen me mention this ad nauseum but it's really a great resource). It's put together by a fellow named Howard Wright in Scotland. The guys got a golden ear!
...topsoylent green tom: You might wanna check this out as well.www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~haw/music/tabfiles.html
Love those intro chords to Deacon Blues!
Yes, Carlton's solo on Kid C. is absolutely beautiful. There's no other way to describe it! And I especially like the little fills he does when Donald comes back in with the last verse. Really tasty.
P.S. - Howard's site is now listed on St.Al's links page.
Interesting factoid:
Amazon.com's 2nd leading selling album to the UK is......AJA.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/browse-communities/-/215540/music/ref=cm_detail/002-0198644-3226614
-TttM
... that's how a friend of mine described this controversy about listening or not.Hank--the fault is mine. Or at least the zipperlessness. (I am NOT talking Erica Jong.)
tom--did you go to Castellani's? One of my fave hangouts. I remember the Jocundry's disaster--that was right when I got there.... On a lighter note, the wonderful thing about DanFest is that just about anything goes. There is no agenda, only a vague scaffolding draped with tattered, drooling, otherlifeless, monomaniacal, fortysomething netnuts. (Pssst--don't let on--that's to throw assholes off the trail!)
Hutch--gig sounds great. Looking forward to it!!
Stranger--You must be seeing double, hon. If you'd rather, I'll call you by your first name, "The." And the next time you don't make an appointment, I hope it's with me.
Ruby--Damn! I keep getting misquoted! The only thing I said about "Ruby Baby" was that it's one of only 2 Dan covers; Sweet said it's a song they played as a warm-up at shows; and that it's one of the best unrequited love songs of the era. Again, I dig it and what he did with it the most.
JDub--Make a note of this Scott guy! TecMo II?
Scott--welcome. Would love to hear you play.
GKR--Hey man! I got the drop! Many thanx--and the postcard too. Clearly Steely. Hey, you got Ben Folds living down there now, dontcha? So there's an upside.
I love winwood's 80's forays as much as the next galbut how is Stevie gonna seemlessly join with that other hunk Thomas Dolby?
Dolby seemed to have lost it after The Flat Earth disc, maybe too much nose blowin going into that trombone in "Hyperactive".
If THomas shows his sensitive side (screen kiss) and Stevie shows his soulfull side (Roll With It, Higher Love), the results could be interesting. How are they gonna share vocal or production duties, let alone the keyboard ventures. No new Michelob commercials, please
Where do D&W fit in
Golden age of Wired Less
FanOfDan: re AJA - Thanks for the reminder.
As for the tour downunder, I tried to send a similar message via the Newsletter but it seems the only path for us is http://steelydan.com/mailroom.html - Just as soon as they work out where 'Ausrtalia' is!!'Corse if they ever did come here, they'd never want to leave.
Hey, I can dream can't I? After all if the D&W Winwood/Capaldi stories are true, what else is there? Unless Miles Davis comes back to do a jam with them, Stevie Wonder, Mike MacDonald, Dusty, Van Morrison with me on triangle in my living room [piano would need a bit of a tune up and after the Techno Motor CD, I'll keep my musical skills to the shower]..Better than the 'I Wish' jam on HeyHey!Ho Hum
GKR
Hello all. To wormed tom; How about Black Friday for starters?Or Bodhisatva. (Boy I better have gotten the spelling right or else)The basics of both tunes are very reasonable, and the changes on the bridge of Bodhisatva are great to play over.Let me know if youneed those changes. Peace, Life Is The Song We Sing
"Winwood is a better guitar player than Walt too."Maybe that's the point.
out
yeah i got the "aim" it was just ironic huh.oh i would have beat him with them if i could but, life's to good to go to jail. i don't know if i can listen to the dan there.
tom- i had to fax the song to my mom (since she is computerless, she is so jealous that i am writing to all you chimps and she isn't). i am sure she will be joining us soon though. she was sad to hear that the midnight cruiser name was taken. anyway she was crackin up. she can't wait to enlighten everyone with her steely dan knowledge. she will put ballah to shame. he will be running with his tail between his legs.
shake it
amy
yeah i got the "aim" it was just ironic huh.oh i would have beat him with them if i could but, life's to good to go to jail. i don't know if i can listen to the dan there.
tom- i had to fax the song to my mom (since she is computerless, she is so jealous that i am writing to all you chimps and she isn't). i am sure she will be joining us soon though. she was sad to hear that the midnight cruiser name was taken. anyway she was crackin up. she can't wait to enlighten everyone with her steely dan knowledge. she will put ballah to shame. he will be running with his tail between his legs.
shake it
amy
ho dee hoscott - welcome aboard. I am also relatively new here ( a month ) and this is a great place. Don't worry I won't write a ditty about you and everyone here is as gregarious as Ballah.
you play the six string. me still somewhatta neophobic (1 year into it). Which Dandy tune or tunes would you suggest playing around with, I like an admirable but not aging challenge
aja - there you go girl. boy with all the mental idgets I was beginning to think we were in the cerebral Shire with a lot of Baggins hospitality
Miss Heidi HOle - DOlby and Winwood? "She Blinded me with Diver Arcs"?
Stranger - Is that a night or the two night rate for the CHelsea?
I was smokin withthe boys upstairs when I heard about the whole affair....
oops exceeded my limit on posts, don't wanna to abrasively wear out my welcome here
I guess i'm the coolest person ever. no problem. Its an even swap;-) I heard about the Dolby/Winwood thing. Aren't there too many keyboaders in that band? Maybe Dolby is just producing. Winwood is a better guitar player than Walt too.I thought Bill P. was dead?
C.f. - I heard the records industry was full of weasels. Is that true?
MS. Hole (If you're nasty!)
amy-actually, I thought you beat your husband with the clubs! Either way, you're a woman who gives as well as she gets!Scott-welcome! We love intelligent posters here.
and that brings me to...
"ballah"-oh, sweetie, is that the best you could do? After all that bragging about how clever you are, I was delighted that you would attempt to flame me, but I quickly realized you were just flailing away and got too bored to finish reading. And I've given you so much material, too (to paraphrase St. Al. "shown my ass") and you didn't pick up on ANY of it. Not that I should have expected anything more, 'cause hon, no one here takes you seriously, least of all me. But I was hoping you'd at least be as sharply witty as Mock Turtle (see Fly on the wall) but no, you really are just a mental midget. Boy, I sure hit your vulnerable spot with that one, didn't I?
The public restrooms are to the left, and bring your dolls. Maybe they'll take you seriously, sweetie.
Clas-how could you think I'd forget?
aja
Any of you locals have a suggestion for a hotel in NYC near Sony Studios on W. 54th St. & 6/7th Ave for an out of towner ?
Quite the variety of "chatter".Not surprisingly as Steely Dan is The Thinking Person's music and as such we all have opinions. Just a quick note to say what a joy to listen to artful "pop" music. As a full time professional musician who has endured 25 years of cover tunes it was always great to sneak in that Steely Dan tune, as much for the band as for the audience. And as a guitar player could there be better stuff to do? The bar is at such a high level that it is always a challenge to rise to it. As a matter of fact, one of the only prerecorded soloes that I will play (Hey, that's MY spot to say something)is Larry's solo on Kid....That is one of the best pieces of work that has ever appeared on commercial radio, a masterpiece. The outro alows me my say but I damn well better play something good after Larry's opus. On another note, is it just a coincidence that Walter and I have the same birthday (Feb. 20) and both play guitars made by Rodger Sadowsky? Hmmmmmm I had the pleasure of meeting Walter and Don in Milwaukee while they were out with the Rock and Soul Revue. I was writing a review of the show (nice to have a "ringer" as your reviewer, guess what? I loved it) and managed to get them Both to sign my Steely Dan song book. As they hadn't been together for years I thought I had pulled qiute the coup. Keep listening to the good stuff, it makes my job so much easier and may even give me a chance to play My Stuff for you someday. Peace to All
hey amythe "AIM" came from trying to get Donald's phrasing's down
really I had no topsoilant idea I was hitting too closea tahoma
verse three (for those hot with hormonals)he says "oh amy, tonight it's mom's for din"
man alive... when's it her time to win
not feeling well so "say hello to kin"
he leaves, she stays
then goes so out to play
mister lover.. take me while da pappa gonemomma say
oh no, no need to fake it
dis bab long sister shake it,
with such force
ohh no
don't answer that phone o
it's my golfing sonny's bono
par for the course
...take my wife, please...
Anyone want to share a suite at the Chelsea in NYC 28th &29th - $285 /2 = $145each.Place is booked.
Indicate on board with smoke signals and email address and I will contact you by tomorrow afternoon.
really my sides have been busting open over the board today. the creativity is just bursting over the info super highway i wish my aunt were alive to be able to partake in these posting. i am sure her little made up songs would have evryone in stitches. and how did you know that i would not care for the aim. (that is what my mother-in-law calls me). I HATE IT. (and i never write in caps) so that must say something.always shakin it (even when not in marital bliss, he just doesn't always know about it)
amy
Ballah,
I read just some of your stuff and found so much material about blow-up dolls and getting poked in the ass that I gave up. Must you vent your fantasies here? Why not just hang out in one of those well-traveled public restrooms and act them out? Or if you are fearful of leaving your room, which appears likely, why not find yourself a virtual psychiatrist? Or hang out at www.morons.com
Julie says Hello and Happy New year to all. Her IBM is broken. She is working on getting a real computer. And who ever sent her the CD is the coolest person ever!As for me - NYC!
jk
I saw this on the Paul Simon alt. for what its worth.
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sorry aim (oops amy)(not to make light of your domestic bliss)
I couldn't resist - and a happy ending
(to the tune of what else.. Haitian Divorce)bab aim and tex boy
were in love they said
so in love,
till she had to use the head
no patience phoning
till his face went red
he childs, he breaks
her bab no longer shakes
yeahsend me mojo
off to wherehouse to re-place-e-omomma says
oh no, no hesitation
his rage is unrelenting
destructive force
oh no
hide the newest box set
this is your tex anal recourse(fugalhorn inserted here)
tearful reunion
after her bladders down
oh no, the new box set he foundshe says no mojo.. horizontal.. clown
till you respect.. my raging intellect
if you want your bab sis
got to let me take a pisspapa said...
ohhhh kay
I get no nookins
my lovelife be like bookends
doghouse of courseoh ohh
so you's bathroom busy
this jealousy make me dizzy
huge remorse(short more upbeat fugelhorn indulgence)
tex boy is playing 18 oh so fine
brand new clubs, boy those babies shine
he learned a lesson, now he's double time
his aim... she fab
she back to... sister bab
look out mojo, lose the trip when she gotta goand mama says...
oh oh
the bathrooms peaceful
don't need no bitter sequel
now of course
oh no, sweet pea in private
da sexlife now so thrive - it
feed da horse
Reliable sources tell me that W&d want those going to the PBS show to yell out requests for Kulee Baba because they want to play it!Al & Hoop should leave the room because, after all, it will have been unreleased at that point.
Bill p.
I'm sexy and have big balls. Right to the top.
Excuse me mr Ballah. Thank you for imploring us to get a life but those alternative suggestions are really scary. They actually 1) require you to leave your house and 2) interact with other people. Donald would never do that - why should we?StAL - a certain "HotShot" told me that, not only do you have the new disc, but that you have been seen putting your weeenie in the hole of the CD and stroking rhythmically to Negirl.
But never mind that crap. Other chat rooms are reporting the next project after the tour for D&W (never should be written W&D - what a bunch of jerks you are!). In November, D&W will get together for a project with Thomas Dolby, Steve Winwood, and Traffic Drummer Jim Capaldi - 1st super group of the 00's! Anything that comes out will surely be after the SD live CD.
Bill P.
Dogs, fleas . . . yuck! Smoke if you got 'em.
"ballah" - While I'm quite sure your main motivation is to get the reaction you expect from the people here and then sit back and laugh at it, the fact remains that your comments are inappropriate and childish. You like to brag about your knowledge of art and wine and yet you behave as though you don't have an ounce of class in you. You cover the obvious fact that you have a psychological defect by saying "I'm trying out a new writing style" and "I'm really just kidding". Do you operate under the delusion that you're shocking people or making people angry by doing what you're doing? It's really very sad and pathetic that you act the way you do but I don't feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for your parents. There's nothing I or anyone else here can do about your inferiority complex. That will have to be left to a professional. If you can somehow force yourself to act like an adult you would certainly be welcome here. I'm sure it's way too much to ask but don't waste our time and space on this board anymore until you can decide to act like something other than a spoiled little twelve year old.
It's up to you sonny boy.
Now... go ahead and tell me all about how I'm an old, fat, bald, etc., etc., etc.
We will all be waiting for your snappy response.
i destroyed the golf clubs, i don't know if concluded that but you get the drift.shake it
amy
dear ballahI am so impressed by your sophistication incroyable vous vous cloutez
I will go home and throw out my entire wine collection as it doesn't meet your discriminating taste
Wow, you really are smarter than you sound
the fat lady of limbourg, looked at the samples that we sent
and furrowed her brow
you could never believe that she'd tasted royalty and fame
if you saw her now
but her sense of taste is such that she'll distinguish with her tongue
the subtleties a spectrograph would miss
and announce her decision, full demanding her reward,
a jellfish kiss(who's the artist and song all knowing one?)
- last thurseday i was at school and my phone rang. it was my husband, he was asking me to do him a favor on my way home. i was like "of coarse honey, but i gotta go." see i had to pee really bad. anyway, i sluft him off right. so while i am pulling my pants down he proceeds to call me again and tell me i am a bitch for slufing him off. by then i am irritated with him and tell him " ok i am a bitch but i have to pee", and hung up the phone. so to make a long story short this ends up in a huge fight. i eventually make it home to find that his infuriated ass has broken every cd in my steely dan box set and left in a little pile in front of my computer. i then go out to the garage where he is kind of hiding/working (i have the keys to his car in my hand). i ask him to please expain to me why he broke something so dear to my heart(since my mother bought it for me). he did not reply. a great big birtha and 3 x-12 irons later he was on his way to wharehouse music...it was almost the hatian divorce
shake it
amy
ballah - if you are truly all knowing then you'd know just how uncool, pompous and destructive your "just kidding" posts areaja's pants are dry although her heart may be a bit ruffled by your meaness, and my pants are wet to the core from laughing so hard at your egotisti.. oops... testicled spectacle
amy - my neighbor is the master green thumb, I dig up the dead, he flourishes the living
Miz ducky (is that male or female persuasion?)
Belzoni is a town in lower southwest Mississippi, no mountains to speak of but a few hills formed by former Miss. River terraces. They name a few of these prominant hills "Mountains" which would be a good place for a radio transmitting antenna. A real mountain, who knows, it may still be a finger puller of Donald's. As fpr radio transmittablity, no problem there. The old King Biscuit Flower Hour was broadcast in Helena Arkansas and reached over a 10 state area. I have made several trips farther north - highway 61 through the northern part of the delta blues region and once you get off the interstate you immediately go back 50 years. Cotton farming, juke joints, rural poverty - it's a great drive for those so inclined (I enjoy b&w photography here and chatting with the locals. Robert Johnson, Howlin Wolf, Sun House, Muddy Waters, and many others are from here, the real birth place of R&R. Robert Palmer's Deep Blues is a must read for anyone interested in the history, or stop into the Blues museums in Clarksdale Miss or Helena Ark. Festivals in April and October.
to be stuck in sidda mobile widda delta blues agggaiinnnn
Ballah- Miles Davis and John Coltrane play different instruments? Fuck. Didn't JC play the solo in 'Show Biz Kids?'I have a nice, true, story that I'll type in later. You guys won't believe me, it's beyond credible, but it happened...
Ballah- Don't sugar coat it man, tell it like it is. I prepared a list of your typos and obvious mispellings to post when I'm up drinking by myself later. Can you make mine a size 38DD?
I bet your ass is pretty fucking sore. Wow.The irony... (only 3)
FTEAF
no seriously ballah you and i need to get married....
That's true, in fact Walter himself onmce saidf that he likes to thinnk that SD fans can keep it up the loongest
first of all ballah, will you marry me? are you foreign? i love foreigners. no but seriously. what you said was totally uncool, funny, but uncool. we are all here because we are fans of the dan, and it is not very often you find people like that. we don;t want to fuck them up the ass or anything. we just enjoy sharing our little bits of knowledge and chit chatting. and if we are wrong i do as the taoist do, laugh at my self and then learn from it. personally, i just think it is really cool that we can all talk to each other. i also feel very fortunate to be able to live in the era of steely dan, and that i am able to share it with all of you... nicelytopsoil - i think that is really cool, see i wanted to be a botanist but decided against it. although i am starting my own organic garden because i am sick of driving into houston to go grocery shopping. i am a real freak about what i eat. (gutbomb mexican food is an exception, it is an addiction). if i have any questions when i get started i will inquire upon you.
back to maintaining that 4.0 (i am so proud of myself)
shake it
amy
Aja--Yes, I have decreed that you must pee your pants at work. Pee those panties until they are so wet that you have to wring them out into a bucket, or a wine glass and then I decree that you must drink your own pee, or be bung-rammed by the blow-up doll minions. And who are you calling a mental midget, you little twit? You wouldn't know the difference between a fucking Picasso and a Dali, I know, I can tell. You probably don't even know that Picasso and Dali were both Spanish painters. You've never even seen a painting by Joan Miro, have you, who happens to also be a Spanish painter? You are inferior. You wouldn't know a Pinot Grigio from a Franzia Blush. In fact, you probably buy your wine by the box, you infidel. I bet you couldn't tell a Coltrane solo from a Miles Davis solo, and they play completely different instruments. The furthest you go into literature is probably that Sidney Sheldon mystery crap, and those putrid Danielle Steele romance/drama novels. You know how I can tell these things? Because I am Ballah-- the all-knowing, and I can tell that you are an inferior couch dweller who feeds Kraft macaroni and cheese and fried bologna to your family and dried cat food to your foul beastly cats. If you were given the task to make your own Alfredo sauce from scratch, you would be clueless. If someone asked you to name the planets in order from closest to furthest from the sun, you would be utterly stumped. If posed with questions in South American geography, you would struggle for the answers in vain. You are the mental midget here, you know nothing, you strive for mediocrity, unlike the Ballah's of the world. Hear my words and take them to heart. I speak wisdom, I speak from experience, I am better than you are. I am much, much better than you are. You are just a hangnail on an orangatan's pinky toe that is festering and becoming infected and will eventually rot the beast's foot off. You are a parasite and must be destroyed. My blow-up doll minions will attack you and pummel you and penetrate you until you are a twisted and wasted corpse. And you will die tragically, picturesquely, as if in a Bosch painting of The Garden of Earthly Delights, but in the panel which depicts Hell. And you will die in the name of Dan. The blow up Dons
and Walts will destroy you, because YOU are the mental midget. You are a lower than a mental midget. You are a mental smurf. You are a mental Smurfette, screwing all the other smurfs nightly. And the hand of Ballah will reach down from the sky and crush you, Smurfette.
Ballah has spoken......Just kidding, really guys, but it's fun to bullshit like this!!!!
I don't know, Mock Turtle, I thought you expressed yourself quite well, and damn funny, too. Now where are my other two favorite creative writers, Sociable Hermit and Hank Silvers??Mix Ducky-now that you point it out, yeah, there sure weren't any mountains so speak of when I was in LA. Maybe they drink Cuban Breezes at the foot of Mt. Belzoni?
tom-a side trip to Zion sounds fabuluous!
You know what I especially love? Mental midgets who hang around the GB ALL THE TIME and then rag that people here have no lives (while they themselves have so little life that they post lengthy messages that no one else has time to read). Oh, stop, if I laugh any harder I'll wet my pants at work!
aja
Ballah, you are completely out of control. That is the funniest thing I've ever read. Unleash your minions of Steely Dan blow- up dolls. This is too much. Maybe you could direct your love for the absurd in another, more meaningful direction. Harness your hostility brother. Sounds like you need to get laid, not us.Hah,Hah still laughing
Why do you care about this board so much anyway. ROTFLMFAO.
HEHAGD
SoulMonkey
I went and saw Lynyrd Skynyrd and ZZ Top at the Hartford Civic Center last Friday. I haven't been to a concert there since ZZ Top in 1994. Since then, all of the concerts I have been to in Hartford have been at The Meadows which is your typical shed clone. I was amazed after all of these years, that the sound was superior inside than in the sheds. I've seen them all at the Civic Center - The Police, CSN, Phil Collins, Billy Joel ( I gave away my tickets to the Stones this spring), etc. I've seen SD in both (in 93 at HCC, The Meadows 96) and I'm beginning to think an indoor venue would be better and that the sound in the Grand Old Lady civic center might be better. Of course the roof did collapse after a concert in 1978, but hey nobody got hurt. I am anxiously awaiting concert info for this year. If they start in Japan as rumored, will the west coast be the first leg of the US tour this year - making the east coast venues late summer or early fall? Will they in fact play indoor venues and shun the sheds?Ballah - how long did it take you to type all of that?
Well it's in the Washington Post so it must be news:
http://www.washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/23/052l-012300-idx.htmlYGK: Yes I'll be there. I will catch up with you at dinner - just say when and where and make a reservation.
"This medium, in many ways, lacks the ability to convey true feelings and thoughts." -St. Al
Very well put.Ballah: put me down for a doll.
Dan Steely---You make a good point my friend. These fucks in here get so goddamn cliquish and freakish and alot of other -ishes, that you feel like you're in a Star Trek convention in here sometimes. It's ODP this and IMIO that, and WB and DF and GB. I mean, aren't there enough goddamn fucking acronyms as it is? Markedly, Steely Dan is a great and very accomplished band that should have made it into the RNRHOF, after three years of being nominated, oh shit, here I go, catching the GB bug. I can't get out of it, it's a goddamn fucking disease. Pretty soon we're going to quit using words all together. If I was to feel like saying "hey everybody, have a great day!" It would of course be HEHAGD! It's fucking scary the shit that's going on here. I know how you people are...you rush to your computers to see what's been posted and who posted, and you research the info mentioned by posters to make sure that it's accurate and if it's not accurate, you bust your fellow DanFans balls for screwing up and making a normal human error. This shit is borderline obsession here, I swear, I bet some of you people would go out and buy Steely Dan blow up dolls and fuck them up the ass if they were available. In fact, I think I'll contact my friend who works in a sex shop to see if there's a possibility of maybe drawing some ugly faces, and pasting some bald hair on a couple of blow up dolls and somehow taping a strap on dildo to the blow up dolls, so that you dumfucks can get fucked up the ass by fake blow up versions of "Don and Walt" as you so affectionately like to call them. That would be a hilarious sight. Hey, yeah, maybe at the next DanFest, I'll show up with these dolls and bring a Hi8 digital camera of you all getting fucked up the ass by blow up versions of Steely Dan, so you can take it back home for repeated pleasure, again and again daily until your assholes are all raw and bloody. Maybe Oleander will take a saxaphone down, I'm sure she would if it had been played in a Steely Dan concert. I can just see St. Al's big ass getting stuck in a tuba, hey wait, Steely Dan never used tubas in their music, did they? I'm sure if they did, someone will come at my balls with a sledge hammer to make sure that I am fully aware that goddamn tubas were used in this song, and that particular song, "oh and it was a tuba they used for the intro to Rikki Don't Lose That Number, didn't you know, Ballah, you dumbass kid? God, we all hate you because you don't know every intimate detail about every fucking song that Steely Dan ever made, you should know that shit, you freak, you are officially ostracized from the G-fucking-B because you didn't know that tubas were used on several of Steely Dans songs!!!!!!" Oh hell, maybe I'm going too far here, guys. I truly apologize for my crude and totally inane behavior. I'm still experimenting with different writing styles lately. This one is an enhancement to the "asshole persona" I've created. It has many of the same elements of the "asshole persona," but I've added a perverse and twisted side to the "asshole persona." As time continues, the Ballah persona will become all-knowing and omniscient, omnipresent, if you like. Ballah will rule the world and truly be a shotcallah. And instead of praying to Allah, the Muslims will pray to Ballah, five times a day, but they will not face east anymore. They will have to stand on their heads, because that is what I will decree. All praise be to Ballah. And I will ride through the sky in a sleigh pulled by wildebeasts instead of reindeer and throw Steely Dan blow up dolls out all over the world, so that all of the oceans and continents are littered with them. And anyone who refuses to be screwed in their bumhole by the blow up dolls will have either his penis removed without anesthesia, or have her vulva sealed by cauterization with a burning coal. And all citizens of the world will be branded with a hot iron with the initials "SD." And of course, neither I nor Dan Steely will be subjected to the buggering by the blowup dolls, or the brandings, because we aren't that obsessed with them. We, of course, like the band's music, and think they are great, but find no pleasure in being bung-rammed by a Steely Dan blow up doll. And the blow up dolls will be my minions and take over the world through insistent buggering of all the nonbeleivers ass-openings, and they will rape and pilage and destroy and bring about the Y2K armageddon that we've all been hoping for. Ahhhh, hell, I digress. Anyway, you fuckers really should take stock in yourselves every once in awhile, here. I mean, there's got to be a better hobby than being a 40 years +, serial poster-slash-internet junkie--it's a pretty goddamn sad and pathetic existence, don't you think? You guys need to get outside in the sunlight, go to a sex shop, jerk off, eat something other than McDonalds every day, how bout some falafel, or a goddamn bowl of Baba Ganoush? Get out and grill a goddamn salmon fillet, anything. Go to a Brazilian restaurant and have a meat extravaganza. Check out some Spanish tapas, dolmas, fucking souvlaki, ziziki. Man, just get a goddamn life other than Steely Dan. Go learn about art:http://www.artchive.com/ftp_site.htm
by the way, this is the best art site on the net, believe me, I should know. Check out some Kandinsky, Paul Klee, Sisler, even damn Twombly or freaky-ass Magritte. Fucking Jackson Pollock, you old bastards should know about him. There's alot of good stuff out there, man, fucking get into it, broaden your goddamn fucking horizons people. Go get laid, get dressed up in something other than one of those horribly disgustingly putrid multi-colored jump suits that all the baby boomers have been wearing since 1989, thinking it makes them look comfortable, yet sophisticatedly yuppish. I mean, try wearing a goddamn suit for once, or maybe something in a solid color? And by all means, don't make the unforgiveable fashion faux pas of wearing whitewashed jeans with white tennis shoes, there is nothing more hideous and unattractive than this ensemble which seems strangely popular with men in the middle age range. Just please take my advice, people, before it's too late. I will unleash my minions of blow up Steely Dan dolls, and the only way to save yourself will be to go out and purchase yourself a bottle of Cakebread Cellars Chardonnay, drink that fucker, and shove the cork up your ass. If you don't like white wine, then you can go for a good KJ Zinfandel (not white zinfandel, you dumasses, that's nigger wine) or a reasonable Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, or Shiraz. I don't even mind if you purchase the Chilean or Southeastern Australian vineyards, they are reasonably priced and actually very good. I am enamored of late with Spanish vineyard Torres' Sangre De Toro, and am currently collecting the plastic bulls which hang from the neck of each bottle. You can avoid the strap on dildo blow up dolls buggering by wearing one of these plastic bulls around your neck, but a cork in your ass is your safest bet. The blow up dolls will know that you are getting that much closer to achieving wine afficianado status, and will have more respect for you, and might not even rip the cork out of your ass. I can't guarantee anything, because once I unleash my blow up minions, I will no longer have complete control over them. But I will program them using Visual Dan+++ to attempt to force them to avoid all cork-asses. OK, there it is. Take my advice if you're smart. Otherwise, you'll be getting it up the ass by a blow up version of Don and/or Walt, and you sad fucks will probably love it.
Laterz,
Ballah, the all knowing one, the shotcallah, all praise to Ballah
And YO: Cash Money Productions in Da' Hizouwwwsssss, Boeeeey.
Her Miz Duckiness: Everyone talks about Steely Dan bringing jazz to our attention but DF's Ruby Baby made me pay attention to Lieber and Stoller. See "Smokey Joe's Cafe" Full of L & S songs plus Drew Zingg apparently played with the touring company for a while a couple of years ago.Fan of Dan down under: If only it was CBS and SBS that The making of Aja aired on.
St. Al and Hoops: Thanks for the fun responses on what seems like a touchy subject to some. Regarding sex, virginity and the new one, LOL!!!!! Actually, I think it's fun to play along with the D + W. this whole pre-release period isn't all that unlike foreplay. That being the case, I'll play along until the 29th. Prom night indeed. D + W are decent folks--as they said in their newsletter request for abstinence, "respectfully"--I concur...I'll settle for a D + W autographed advance copy before or wait for the 29th. Can't wait for the GB episode when St Al loses his 2vN virginity.
St. Coitus Interruptimus Maximus
Way kewl comments on Donald's take on "Ruby Baby!" Only other thing I can throw in off the top of my head is, with Donald being such a Leiber&Stoller fan, and starting that fandom from the early age which is the essential viewpoint of the Nightfly album, some Leiber/Stoller cover just *had* to be in there. Or am I being the Obvious Child again?I just love Nightfly so many different ways anyhow. How an album can be so incredibly gorgeously precision-engineered and so incredibly playful (to the point of hysterically funny) at the same time absolutely kills me. Every single time.
Off on a sorta tangent: On a whim one day (i.e. smelling an in-joke rat), I went searching on the Net for "Mt. Belzoni." Found no such place. There is a Belzoni, Mississippi, which, while a fairly long haul from Baton Rouge LA, is still not inconceivably out of range of an all-night FM radio station with a strong signal. Y'all see where I'm going with this?
Now, my knowledge of the local geography of that area is zilch, so Wormy-Tom, since I've picked up that you live in that general region (and do geo to boot!), could you verify this meandering for me? Specifically--am I right in my impression that the whole region I'm talking about is essentially estuary/floodplain for the Mighty MS River, and therefore there ain't no "mountains" around there for one of them to be the mythical Mt. Belzoni?
In other words, wuz I right in suspecting another whack Dannish joke behind that line "from the foot of Mt. Belzoni" that Mr. Fagen sings in one of his most ironical tones? Or am I totally dead wrong, in which case I'm the one who's whack?
/Miz Ducky
watching out for the men in the trees
Oleander,
West Coasters are too laid back to make specific plans. However, we are waiting for tour dates. Expect to meet in Vegas, maybe at Dan concert, since there's good chance they will play Vegas. Or weren't you addressing me at all? I don't know who Stranger and Stranger is. I am, of course, TheStranger as in THEStranger.
Ruby B - the song of your namesake completes the cycle - it makes the faithful narrator one in the world of opportunists bravadaJWMalluable Oops Malibu - techno moto just arrived
thanks so much for the splendid ear candy, you are far far too gracious for this world mucho appreciande'anyone interested in a side trip to Zion or GC for the Vegas Dandy festilanatto?
from the sunny day I met you...
a word about my chosen namesake song:Oleander: you beautiful flower - I read in Fever Dreams that your take on this song is that it's rather pointless. I think you used the word "intrusive" to the smooth story line. OK, I'm not holding it against you. After all, you maintain the Fever Dreams site and your opinions are dear to me. But you must admit it's a happy little tune.
Lars: Your take on it, if I remember correctly, is that this song is "essential to the collage that Don paints."
Could we get two more opposite views?
Personally, I've come to know this song as not Donald Fagen's cover (although it truly is) but as The Nightfly's own interpretation of this song. The original version sounds rather hillbillyish to me. I can see mr. nightfly just naturally making the cool changes in his own mind. It fits his personality. His day dreams seem to be way more opptimistic than his real life. He can make my rainy day brighter.
Clas: bloodpudding for iron. hmmm. Couldn't I just suck on some rusty nails, please?
rb
Dan S.: yo' mama!!!
Hey bab sis amy -botanist, no - close. another type of earth worm, geo schmeo
as in phizz and ol oh gist. I do do alot of paleontological stuff as a hobby and for school outreach to kids so I may be able to answer a botanistic query (throw it this way bergeon@shellus.com)as for Mexican in Houston - I too like a great dive (N.O> is filled with them), but when traveling on business we typically have to be a bit more upscale, and they are comfy with a Pappacitas type place. I'll check out Pat's next time I'm not towing the boss along
ah, to be back in college again, enjoy, savor amidst the chaos
lack of sleep makes you a god, lack of prozac makes you a goat
baaaaaahhhhh
Black Friday -Gonna strike all the big red words from my little black book.
been puzzled on that line?
the little black book is the Bible, and Christ's words are commonly printed in bold Red Large Type.
He probably has a pocket size (little black book)-
New Testament onlySo the advantageous protagonist of the song is dishing on God amidst his new reclusive modus operandus. Look, I pulled it off, don't need you any more.
funny but he just can't seem to seperate his escapism indulgences from a guilty laiden conscience, so later in this uppy tune he turns to self righteous religiosity...When Black Friday comes I'm gonna dig myself a hole, Gonna lay down in it till I satisfy my soul
(a sort of self dervived purgatory of asceticism?)Gonna let the world pass by me, the Archbishop gonna sanctify me
And if he don't come across I'm gonna let it roll.~ if you are gonna go all out, why hold back. Why need the blessings of another mere mortal? An agnostic hedonist with an opportunistic motive and the weight of the world on his back gets just about nowhere fast. He can't strike too boldly when he's worried about the consequences. No assurance is no insurance
did i see that someone else is on this website working their ass off in college like me?listening to the dan makes those 18 college hrs. of work just wiz by.
wormbreath - are you a botanist by any chance? if you are i have some queations.
going crazy due to lack of sleep and not enough milligrams of prozac
amy
Mmmmmmmm, coagulated blood.
RUBY BABY - lingonberries! Great. But I can't say I like lingon that much. Lingon with "blodpudding" is great. And cheap. (blodpudding is coagulated blood, looks like meatloaf but red, very cheap food here in sweden, a lot of iron in it, very healthy)And yes, "rawmodel" was a mistake! Rollmodel. Must remember that.
And "serendipity"? Have to look that one down. Up?
In swedish newspapers lists of spring releasing CD's there are two bandnames that makes me wonder; "Walter and Donald", and "Oleander". I'm serious.
AJA! You remember!
Clas
TO ALL THE AUSSIES LURKERS.Steely Dan, "The Making of AJA" will be shown on SBS on the
3rd February,2000 at 7.30pm EDST.Check your local TV guide.To all you guys in the states,I am green with envy at the thought
that most of you on this GB will have the chance to see the Boys live in concert.
For some unknown reason they always seem to forget about us aussie fans when it comes to touring.They probably cry poor about their sales here but I am sure that if they were to market themselves here the same as they do everywhere else they would sell plenty of CDs.
Don & Walter, I don't know if you ever read this stuff,but for FUCKS SAKE if your going to Japan,why not to AUSRTALIA!!!!!
I bet if you were to anounce a tour here,it would be a sellout.
TAN will be a monster. Make your reservations now and don't forget Igor.
"What A Shame About Me" debuted as #35 in the National R&R Smooth Jazz chart and "Two Against Nature" has been in and out (currently #5) of the top 10 in sales at Amazon.com. Cumulative pre-sales and first week sales will result in 2vN debuting at #1 on Billboard, as I predicted earlier. This is not uncommon these days. It may sink like a stone afterwards. After all, who could have predicted that Jimmy Buffett's "Fruitcakes" would debut at #1 5 years ago? In this case, however, the work is a classic. We Report, You Decide...
Mock Turtle: I rarely take anything personal on this GB. This medium, in many ways, lacks the ability to convey true feelings and thoughts.Holier-than-thou you say? This is a prime example. That was never my intention. Originally when I posted my reason(s) for not wanting to listen until it was time, I meant to convey I wanted to wait because it's my basic nature. I leave dessert for after the meal. Perhaps this attitude came out when I closed my original post with -- "That's the way the band intended it." "That's the way I'm going to play."
Facts are facts.
Are you cynical by nature? I'm not. To say W&D don't give a rip whether I listen to a bogus copy of 2VN is most definitely accurate. I've NEVER thought of position in life to hold that kind of importance in W&D's eyes. However, people who say W&D don't care are wrong. I don't know this for sure. I've never talked with them directly about this, I just listen and learn. They've made their position clear.
Collectively they care. My position would be the same regardless of the band in question. Artistic control is artistic privilege. I was simply putting in my 2 cents...
Enough said.
I did have a chance to hear What A Shame About Me while I was in Portland this weekend. Whoever made the Woody Allen meets Yellowjackets meets Dr Seuss analogy -- Very funny!!
StAl
YGK - Shockoe Slip is up on the hill and Shockoe Bottom is... well, down at the bottom of the hill! Actually they're within four or five blocks of each other. The Slip has the more up-scale restaurants with a little bit of live music but the Bottom has the real bar scene with lots of live music. Big college crowd in the Bottom but newer clubs like The Canal Club are catering more to an older audience. There's a nice Blues bar down there called Medley's.
These are the hotels that came to mind down close to that area:The Omni Richmond - 100 S.12th St. Ph. 804-344-7000
The Jefferson - 101 W.Franklin St. Ph. 804-788-8000
The John Marshall - 101 N.5th St. Ph. 804-783-1929Here's a good site for hotel info:
www.hotelguide.com
(Type in Richmond, Virginia)
Thanks guys! That gig really was a blast.Midnight - Those kitties are absolutely beautiful. I'm gonna forward that address to my best friend and his wife. They have a pretty little Russian Blue named Ashley. I know they'll fall in love with those photos!
been out of town an biz for a few days...topsoilian tom - pat's is on san antonio and virgian st,right outside of town square. pappasitos is so canned why eat there when there is a hole in the wall place on every corner here.
dr mu - i just ate at kirby ln sataurday morning at about 3:30 am
it was right next to our hotel, i could have crawled there literally. actualy i think i was crawling (just kidding) then i went and passed out as an effect of miga heavan.i haven't read any of the new posts but will get back with some opinions once i check it out.
shake it
amy
Hutch! Way to go Man! Ya' gotta catch a good one every now and then...it's the little victories! D
aja - thanks on the book refsspeaking of life, ever read Lust For Life by Irving Stone?
It was written in the 40's, constructed from Theo and Vincent VanGogh's weekly letters to each other. An absolutely stunning portrayal of the fine line between artistry and madness. A real sovoring read, you can feel the paint being laid and the sun ripping madness into this man's soul. I balled my eyes out in the end of this onelittle blip in new Mojo, can't recall the quote but Don said something of the order that "we've always been ecceltic in nature" somebody post it please
Ole & Derr - so what is the agenda for the virgininal dan fest? any possibilities of an amateur jam session?
liz phairs whitechocolatespaceegg is mezmerising me now
...I feel the sun on my back, I smell the earth on my skin
I feel the sky above me like a full recovery...toodles from the topsoil
Just rented Pleasantville. I'm sure Donald liked that one alot.jk
"Its alright. we're safe. We're in a bowling alley!"
Otis was renamed Perseus (Percy) after we slept on it last night so the links to the pics are now:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/Percy.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/Percy1.jpganyone interested in Winamp skins with a Steely Dan theme see the 4 links I posted to the zip files Saturday night.
working 12 hour shifts Monday & Tuesday....see y'all Wednesday!
MC
Yeah, Dan Steel, you got my number alright. I just post, post, train for triathlons, post, interview for medical school, post some more, listen to SD (oh, those codes again) and post yet again..... like all the other talented, multidimensional people on this board. If you had a life, you'd recognize what a diverse bunch this is and jump on board for the ride.ole-I've really got a wild hair to come to Danfest Richmond, but it depends on my admission status. If I don't get in, that will mean facing my archnemesis again (MCAT:2 aja:0) so I will be in need of some major revelry. I should know sometime in February. I've always wanted to see VA....
Hutch-I especially want to see your band! You've got me psyched. Look out, I dance all night!
tom-books, hmm. Two that come to mind are "The Razor's Edge" by W. Somerset Maugham and "Alias Grace" by Margaret Atwood. "Alias Grace" is kinda cool-Margaret Atwood took a grisly murder that happened in Canada in the 1850's and wrote a story around it, developing characters and insight into what might have happened. Very stylish fiction.
Clas-oh, yes, I remember...
The snooze jazz station here is premiering "What A Shame About Me" tonight. Woohoo! After I listen to that I'll post some more, listen to SD, post...
aja
Yo Hutch: Is it Shockhoe Bottom or Shockhoe Slip? What are the hotels there? Lemme know before 3/10.... I have my reasons.....Glad to hear you had such a fine gig - "do it again"....
ygk
here you go, kiddies...http://strangetimes.interspeed.net/Themes/steely.htm
ole - hey we frequented similiar Grand River Ave haunts in East Lansing. My poetic genius (and friend) english teacher was a close close friend to the family that owned Jocundrys. The Chicago plane crash of 78 was devistating taking 4 of them. The store stayed open a full 12 years later... I worked down the road at HiFi Buys and used to canoe the "smooth Red Ceder" (sounds like "smooth retsina" (req dan stretch)) at midnight even in the winterwhy is St Al pompous and holier than thou if he chooses not to listen to a pre release of TAN?
So Danfest is the same time as our annual St Patty's cabbage day parade here in Nawlins, humm,does one have to give up the vegtable onslaught and kissing irish lassies, pulled, torn, may make it
if language were liquid, it would be rushing in
instead here we are in a silence more eloquent than any word could ever be
Midnite Cruiser: Congratulations on the new addition! You picked a real good-looking cat. Keep us posted with more pics as he gets bigger. Wishing you many happy years together.JDubs: Please add my name to the pool of would-be lyricists for Technicolor Motorhome II. My musical abilities end at Chopsticks, but coming up with the words sounds interesting. Soon, oleander's page should contain one example of what I can do.
ole: Apologies! Trying again, and this time for sure, as they say...
ooooh....Dan Steely....calm down...try one of Q's cocktails.Sounds like you've been spending too much time on your computer, specifically this Guestbook, or you would have been much kinder in your post. Turn off the PC, take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do anything that will keep you away from your computer for a while. It's obviously bringing out a very frustrated demon inside you.
Hope you feel better soon.
Just below Santana and Celine Dion.
I gotta tell you guys... our band did one of the best gigs of our career last night! A brand spanking sparkling new club just opened down in Shockoe Bottom called The Canal Club. It's an old tobacco warehouse that's been beautifully renovated with two levels... live music upstairs and a restaurant downstairs with a big opening in the middle of the upper floor that looks down on the first level. A huge room upstairs with a kick ass house PA. Great stage monitors and even dressing rooms for the band. (We're not used to that kind of luxury!) The club booker really liked the band (we opened for a popular regional blues band)and it looks like we'll be back in there real soon. We'll probably have some shows where some of our buds in other local bands will open for us and we'll be opening for some bigger national acts.
I'm working on lining up a booking there for us on Danfest week-end... will let y'all know. I'm really proud of the guys in the band... WE KICKED ASS AND TOOK NAMES!!! A beautiful night!KD - I suspected you were a major guitar man all along. Keep up the good work. Love to hear your stuff on this year's GB comp. cd!
Alta - Great to see you on here again. Keep posting.
Dan Steeley - ha ha ha... hee hee hee hee... Oh please! Stop it!! I can't stand it ! My side hurts from laughing!
Don't have clue #1 do you pal?
Dan, you're funny. You're apparently repulsed by those you think have no lives, yet it got so far under your skin you had to post and let everyone know.Let me give you just a *little* clue about my "no life". Lifetime Medallion Member. You DO know what that is, right?
The band, and the guestbook, is just one part of life.
But, tell us, why does it gnaw at you so? What is it about people sharing a common interest that just pisses you off?
C'mon, share...
Donald Fagen dolls? I already have 10. And one of the more rare Walter Becker doll, which was discontinued after one manufacturing run due to toxicity problems.Payne Stewart's cousin: Do you have access to any of his clubs or balls? I'll pay top dollar. Extra if they were on the fatal flight
Couldn't have said it better myself YGK. Dan Steely, you are truly pathetic. What are you doing here in the first place? This board is one of our many hobbies. There are many talented people who browse these pages every day. You're the one with no life. Take YGK's recommendation and go visit Celine. She's got plenty of time now. Go on, scoot, you moron. It's not the fact that you don't like the Dan, it's the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you knew anything about the Dan in the first place the lanquage wouldn't be encoded. I always thought it was in English anywaySoulMonkey---soakin up vertical rays oh DS that means getting a sun tan. Im if you have any questions em me
Dan Steeley- but more importantly, did you vote yes or no?
Jeez, Dan, such a personal tribute - do you actually think we give a damn?
But tell me something, if we are a fraction of the losers that you say we are, what does that make you? someone scrolling through guestbooks calling people losers? absolutely. THAT is pathetic.
So if you don't get it - that's cool - but just because you don't get Latin as the beautiful, complex language that it is doesn't mean that it isn't so.....I'm sure you can find some satisfaction at the Celine Dion webside.....she's a lot more direct....and they'll probably have some pictures for you to dream about.....
ygk
O my God, where am I? Is this some sort of code you people are speaking?? I will crack it in a minute after I read some more entries...the toggle page is helpful. OK. Got it. I'll use your own code to pass along my message to all of you. Hopefully I get it right or I may anger some of you. OK. Here goes. I absolutely got the GMS and it's awesome! Went to Hartley and the WB was doing the wiggle. Nineteen. Hey. So the pics were great of GM and DF but where were the stalagmites? Down the green hat and into your old shoes went on for ever. Slippin' into the verne and lost my earring was so cool that I had to go back and do it again for the heroin alone! Jackie Toom and excavation were on it too. Keep the andirons clean and clear from top to utter bottom for SM fogg.
Does this accurately portray just how stupid and ridiculous all of you are? If not, and you all understand eachother, then you should all seek professional help. It's just a band for christ sake. Get lives and find out what it's like away from your computers and headphones. You people are ALL seriously ill. Whacked! It's a band...that's been nothing for twenty years! Now it's a pack of old wrinkled bald men scratching to make a buck out of old tired never any good crap to begin with. And all of you have fallen for the hype. You'd probably all go out and buy Donald Fagan dolls if they made them! Sorry losers. All of you.
I'd be lying if I didn't say those SD ODP soundclips didn't make me cream in my pants. Honestly, 'GA' sounds downright 2025 for the hip-hop generation, the brass parts we heard were years ahead of the times we's in rightus now.I trust them
I trust them
I'm just hoping the whole album will make me feel as goose-bumpy or goose-pimply as I feel when they hit the 'covers his eyes with his hands' lines and choruses in 'Wetside.' (I wish I could HTML).
but I trust them, as I'm sure you;ve heard before. Catch this WB, trust the kids, they don't all suck. I'm teaching them, in spite of the financial situation, hopefully you'll meet the 'KD' backstage sometime in spite (there it is again) of my missing of the DanVentions.
Walter's solos RULE! I'm half punk and half perfect, and that's what Walter is, ahead of his times, as always!!!
Fuck I wish I could be with you guys, using better language, of course.
With all these negative vibes on the GB (some instigated by myself), here's something we can all rally behind...Two Against Nature is #4 on Amazon.com at the time of this writing -- unheard of for a CD more than a month away from release.
my roomie's gettin' some, I have the headphones onanyway,
Midnite Crusier, you rock! Keep the pictures coming of the kitties, and tell Ms. MC thanks for the skin. Young Kelly was totally against the concept of the skin until now, and I took the young SD one. Awesome.
Good to be back. Great to be a friend of this wonderful community.
Among my peers, I'm embarrassed to say that I kick ass at the guitar, at least among stranger peers. Among you guys, yesh, good to be here...
peace
Guy--mazel tov! Reports please when you return.Lars--no no, that was not I who said that about "Ruby Baby." I'm with you on it. Dug your words about "Nighfly" the most.
Zeke--the pleasure was mine. Sweating bullets!
Crimson Tide--I got three words for you: clips, context, expectations. Remember, you're just listening to itty bitty clips which may not be representative of the entire songs. And by definition clips have no context--Steely albums have a FEEL to them as a whole, as well as the individuality of each song on them--you gotta glide through the whole thing. And what was said below about the Dan changing as we all have changed is right on--they're gonna be what they're gonna be, and it's wise to approach them fresh, not from something you already know.
SoulMonkey--agree about OTD. Gets me all swoony.
tom--it just registered that you all are talking about El Az. I frequented there, as well as Beggars' and Jocundry's. Wow. Unanticipated blast from the past.
Fly--damn, that was good. Where's the rest of the screenplay??
Stranger--Please keep me posted about your DanFest plans. If you're coming I have to buff up my matriarchial moodiness.
Hoops!--That was great. Any little thing I can do to relieve the pressure of the wait?
Mayor Rudy--As a matter of fact, South Carolina didn't start to hang the Confederate flag at the State House until '62, 1962 that is, in the middle of the Civil Rights movement. Which makes it even worse, of course. But that's a fur piece from Richmond--all I can say is get off your Applecentric ass and come check out DanFest. You'll never be the same.
For those of you coming into town for the 2vN weekend March 3-5, following is some information that I hope is helpful for your accomodations.....
The enclosed discount number can be very helpful, and these are by no means all of the options. There are a few were printed in today's New York Times.....1-800-96HOTEL which is a hotel discount service - also at www.hoteldiscount.com....Sometimes you can fine small well run places that are reasonable. Also check out the Washington Square Hotel - small, quaint and cozy in the Village near NYU.
Mayflower rate - $159 - 800.223.4164
Comfort Inn - $85 - 212.721.4770
Howard Johnsons $100 - 888-800-8869
Milburn Suites - $119 - 800-833-9622 - milburnhotel.com
OR
for $390/per night (I think) you can escape for the weekend of pampering at the Penninsula at 5th Ave & 45th - 212.956.2888
and the Waldorf at Park Ave. 49th is $199/night - whatta bargain.For those coming in, if you're going to be in place Friday night and or Sunday, let me know about ideas that you might want to do, and I can arrange something. As unofficial Guest Host, it's the least I can do.....
ygk
Midnite ~ The kitten(s) are incredibly beautiful...nice addition to your cattery! The Mackie 1402 will serve you well ~ I use one myself with solid results. The two aux sends come in handy...if you have any problems with either your VS-880 or the mixer, drop me an e and I'll do my best to steer you in the right direction. If you can buy just 2 hours away for the same price, buy local over mail order....I'm sure Edd would agree.Glad the third wave of "Technicolor Motorhome" CDs are hitting mailboxes...on behalf of all artists involved, we thank you, the GB Community for the positive feedback you've given us! I had a bit of a brainstorm today: Mr. Scam & I are working jointly (long-distance) on a musical piece. For the GB Compilation/2000, it might be interesting to strive for some creative cross-pollenization. Possibilities might include trying to match up the plethora of GB lyricists with GB composers, or instrumentalists playing on each other's pieces...it would certainly put a unique spin on the project. Just a thought...I'm sure there will be more artists participating this time around, and even better stuff!
Lost that Maestro Woodwind device in a last-minute eBay sniping war between myself and three other individuals..oh well, maybe next time! Gotta' be quick on the draw ~
JDubs
remarkable
Thanks to the asshole that posted as Tiger Woods. Payne just happened to be my cousin. How ironic is that dickhead
OK, so I lied....just had to pass this one on.I pre-ordered the VH1 Classic Albums "Making of Aja" DVD yesterday from Ken Cranes. $13.99 + $2.50 S&H and it ships on March 21st. If you'd like to see a cover shot of the DVD it's on my website at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/SD_DVD.jpg
and to all a good night....MC
St.Al....btw, the kitten in the background on the right of the cat pics was heading for Seattle tonight. The couple who bought him live in Oregon and he's a pilot for Alaskan Airways or whatever they're called and he hitched a ride from Seattle this morning to fly to Raleigh/Durham Intl. just to pick up that kitten and fly back out within the hour to Seattle. He's spending the night there and heading back to Oregon Sunday morning. No big deal, I just thought it was kinda cool that one of the litter mates was headed your way tonight.way gone this time fer shure.
the promised URL's that I forgot to post are:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/Otis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/Otis1.jpgsheee-IT!
Alta & Hank....we got the last of our new kittens today. Don't ask me why but we're calling him Otis for the time being. He's a Blue Bicolor Ragdoll but his color has hardly started to come in yet. Here's a couple of URL's to pics that we took at the ladies house in Raleigh, NC today when we picked him up.St.Al....I remember you saying something about getting people with Steely Dan webpages to join the web ring but not for people with their kitty pages. Guess I won't be in the SD Webring but maybe the cat folks will have me? *hehehe* Wish you could make it back to Virginia this year for the Dan Fest. I hate that I didn't get to meet you and the Mrs. and all the other good folks in Norfolk but I plan on being in Richmond for this year. Glad to see you're not above flaming and like to dish it out as well as take it. A good sense of humor will take you far in life. I know I put you through html hell a back in '96 when I was learning and forgetting to turn off my tags on the old guestbook. If I remember right though, you got me back on my guestbook! Keep up the good work, maybe I'll see you on the concert trail sometime.
MC
Ruby Bay Bee....here are links to four Winamp skins the little lady made up last night. If you have any good pics of our boys or know where to get any you'd like to see on a skin let me know and we'll fix 'em up!http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/donaldfagen.zip
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/steelydan.zip
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/walterbecker.zip
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/waltndon.zipIf this doesn't work for some reason e-mail me and I'll just send them directly to you. Hope you enjoy!
Edd...I was at MARS in Raleigh, NC today and checked out the Mackie boards. I really like the one you recommended but I'm thinking about getting the 1402. It fits my budget a little better and since I record solo that should be plenty of inputs. I wish the EQ was sweepable but for the price I'm not gonna bitch. It's quite a board for the money. I may drive back to Raleigh to get the Roland VS880EX too. They had it for $1549 which beat all but one of the mailorder places I've checked with. It's a couple of hours drive to get there but I really like the people and think if I needed any service work they'd bend over backwards to help. Thanks again for your input.
MC
Payne's playground
Was a bunker filled with sand
He's become a no-air manLemon Lear-jet
He depressurized at dawn
Now he's splattered on the lawn
He's a no-air man
YGK! I think I know exactly where to find your address. I'll be in contact soon.
Heidi in my pants !@#$%^&*()_+? I'll bring some extras you can keep in touch with you in my pants...
"What a Shame About Me:" Woody Allen meets The Yellowjackets meets Dr. Seuss
Sue keep in touch with me in your pants!
I'm thinking I am going to be in NYC on the 3/6 for the Big R&R show (wearing my SD button, of course!). Am I going to miss the big fest?Just as well, all you folks are NUTZ!
suedave: keep in touch with me with your plans.....
Did any of you GB denizens ever see Good Will Hunting? Not that that overblown hunk of fluff is worth seeing or anything, but there's an an analogy in this. Work with me here. In the movie, Matt Damon's a genius (!) and Ben Affleck is not. They're both working construction, and Affleck tells him "I'll kill you if you're still working here in twenty years." Damon asks why, and Affleck says, "because any of us--" (pointing at co-workers) "--would love to get out of this place. We can't. You can." You have to imagine extremely fake Boston accents on the actors to make this work.St. Al, you are Will Hunting. You turned down an offer for an advance CD, when others would love to get their hands on one. But it wasn't that. It was the holier-than-thou attitude about how you are respecting the artists, etc. etc., when I doubt they could give a big rat's ass about whether you hear it early or not. I have nothing against you. The fly thing was all in fun.
FYI, the begging gambit drew fewer flames than I expected, and absolutely no e-mails. Oh well, it was worth a shot. Why not? I can wait, no biggie.
As for whether or not I have a life? That's a question for some other time, some other place, and perhaps a bit of the green stuff (in college, this does not refer to money).
later compadres,
mt
First a huge thanks to JWMalibu for sending me the TM CD - it is a treasure! There is lots of talent in here. I've already listened to it lots!Fly - you are a funny one.
The rest of you privledged or not - I am - not cause I have 2vN but because I'm lucky enough to be able to meet YGK & friends in NYC!!! Will try to get a flight out early enough to arrive in time for the friday nite activities...
I plan to be young that weekend....
Try this for a laugh -http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
then enter the official steely dan home page in the box, which is http://www.steelydan.com
and dialect it to Elmer Fudd
I was LMAO!
YGK: you may have misinterpreted my seed comment... also, I wouldn't dream of dragging a local to a couple of my stops... but I also don't plan to be a totally stupid tourist...
husband of the lady who can make me a Steely Dan winamp skin: You are NOT invisible!hoops: watch out - you'll have babes wearing nothing but Two Against Nature cds busting down your door. I'll let you guess which one is me.
fly on the wall: who ARE you?
rb
You won't go wrong with any Mackie.Unless you need lots of inputs, I'd suspect the 1604 VLZ Pro would suit your needs. There's also a 24 channel 4-buss unit that looks pretty nice.
Edd
This is a great site. I can't wait for two against nature. I've heared cousin a couple of times and it's awesome.
MC: Who ARE you?Hutch and veryKerry: Enjoyed the chat. If I type a bit faster, James Joyce will roll over in his grave...
WJZW gave me whiplash the other night playing Kenny G and Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" in succession. My physician has subsequently limited me to 30 min of cooljazz a day - what a shame about me
Stranger:
NYC 2vN Danfest - March 3-5, 2000, planning an evening of Dan at Le Bar Bat Saturday, March 4, with other urban opportunities should the desire make itself known, i.e. folks getting in on Friday or sooner have the option of checking out something 'appenin in town that night. I've offered non-traditional tours....write me at my e-mail.....if it's not on the boards, it's on one of the recent archives....Richmond Danfest - March 17-19, 2000.....apparently a booked restaurant with perhaps one of the contributors from TM playing.....Ole? what else is going on?
ygk
Stranger & Stranger - Danfest in Richmond is on for the third week-end in March. St. Paddy's Day week-end. Of course it'll be boring as hell (according to Mayor Rudy). We'll just be sitting around picking ham hocks out of our teeth and planning lynching parties but it should be fun anyway!Midnight Cruiser - No way you're invisible to me or any of the rest of your good friends on here. Post more often!
YGK - No apology necessary. Rudy (the fake one) is a dope and that's apparent to all.
JWMalibu & Edd....I like what I'm reading about the Mackie boards and I've got a buyer for my old Studiomaster board so....do either of you have any suggestions on which model of Mackie board to buy for use with the VS-880EX? All input is welcome.Thanks,
MC
So is Ole's Danfest still on in VA ?What are the specifics on the NYC Danfest -time/date?
All my friends hate me for stealing TAN from the vaults but what could I do? I want to fit in. I want to be cool. I want the flippancy of Roy Scam, the matriarchial moodiness of Oleander and the flubber of Dr. Mu all at once! So I did it. I stole a copy and sold it on ebay for $400.I was so happy I didn't think to listen to it. Is it any good? Is there really a song about me on it?
Invisible? What ever gave you that idea, Midnight Whatsyourname?
hoops,
Loved your post and I can't agree with you more. I attended Immaculate Contraception as well as St. "bust my aggies" Agatha's, and i guess you've heard what they say about catholic school girls.This time around I'm going to wait for Mr. Right or in this case Donald and Walter to take me on that blissful day of February 29th. I'm sure it's all it's built up to be, maybe i'll feel the earth move for the first time again.
St. Al and I 2vN virgins?The pending release of 2vN makes me feel like a senior in High School again.
I keep having flashbacks to Cat-lic school (Mine? "Our Lady of The Evening School" and "Holy Crotch High School" and I have a feeling St Al might have at least driven by, if not attended, "Immaculate Contraception School") where pre-marital sex was the evil to end all evils...wait until you're married and all.
Well, I didn't (and I'm sure St Al didn't) buy into that whole scene but perhaps/maybe on a plane where Dandom is the universe and where God is played by Maggi McCoy, wearing a Star of Donald (rather than Alanis Morrisette in a robe saying "boop!"), this is somehow believing in the karma of waiting for a "blessed" copy of 2vN.
Or maybe it's along the lines of waiting for Miss Virgin to be ready rather than "accidently" grabbing a piece.
What can I say about what I've heard about 2vN? I'm fuckin' horny as hell about it! Shit! Looking at steelydan.com a couple of times a day is like when I was a teenager and would get out those copies of "Playboy" I stashed in my mattress. Whoa! Hot! But no real relief! Just a huge tease...get me all hot and bothered waiting for the right time for me and my baby to get it on.
And there are are those clips and it's like bein' a teenager wonkin' off when you want sex with the Ms. Luscious Babe. I've heard "Cousin Dupree" played once over 2000 miles of phone connections (equivalent of dabbling in phone sex?) as well as over a not-so good Real Audio broadcast I caught from KFOG (teenage equivalent of viewing a "National Geographic" pygmy?); but what drives me fucking insane is waking up with "A-B" of the "Gaslighting Abby" clip in my brain:
"Flame is the Game...the game we call 'gaslighting Abby" blah, blah, blah, blah...summer by the sea... fade"/"Flame is the Game...the game we call 'gaslighting Abby" blah, blah, blah, blah...summer by the sea... fade"/"Flame is the Game...the game we call 'gaslighting Abby" blah, blah, blah, blah...summer by the\ sea... fade"/"Flame is the Game...the game we call 'gaslighting Abby" blah, blah, blah, blah...summer by the sea... fade"/"Flame is the Game...the game we call 'gaslighting Abby" blah, blah, blah, blah...summer by the sea... fade"...
Like I need to take a cold shower!
So strangely, I do feel like a teenager again and strangely waiting for 2vN is like waiting for Prom Night, not sure about the marriage thing. Kind of fun in an abstract sorta way.
As for those of you who wonder do I or don't I, fuck you--I want this babe to lead on and disrobe slowly and when it's right it's right.
But it's great to be young again and I can't wait...
In the chat room... 11:50 EST
Re: "The Mayor Rudy": I am quite certain that the recent post by someone alleging to be our Mayor is made by a non-New York IMPOSTer, who just happens to overcategorize and overgeneralize what they feel are 'local political' issues. hmmm, now who could that be?Hilary? Is that you? maybe....or some one else.....
please don't be offended by someones ignorant remarks....they are not reflective of our city nor its residents.....thank you....
NYC 2vN Welcoming Committee
Who thinks St. Al already has a copy of TvN?
Boy! I see I touched a nerve here.Frankly, it's about time someone had the balls to flame my ass. Never quite understood why more people don't? God knows I show my ass on this GB enough...
Sticks and stones baby.
Ref: Absoultely not. Though I have theory. The ones that flame on this board, yet hide behind an anonymous handle lean toward that rabid fan profile I mentioned earlier. Especailly in this case. This dude obviously has no life....
StAl -- and not afraid admit it.
Ref: Sounds like the Kinkster to me.
Re the advance copies of 2vN: most people who have a copy didn't pay for it-- there are a lot of CD-Rs and "internal record company" copies floating around. I for one wouldn't pay for one of these "suspicious" discs
Who wrote that hilarious post about St. Al and DIVX? Come forward, I'm sure St. Al won't hold it against you (will you, St. Al?)
Play fair,
The Ref
"Mayor Rudy" - There's an old saying... you can stand there and look stupid or you can open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I and the great majority of Southerners could care less about the Civil War. And as for having a "boring" time in Richmond, that's certainly not going to happen. As far as I can see the only thing that might fuck up the NY Danfest would be you showing up.
I don`t understand the dissin of St. AL. The sniping is senseless,those who can afford to dish out the piastros FOR TAN now can do so. This is not about morality, its about buying an unreleased CD.The majority here will wait for the 29th and enjoy the previews ,mp3s ,interviews,singles on the radio etc. The others who have waited 20 years for a new fix and can afford the price gauging should hang with Mayor Rudy in The Apple for The Danfest and score some Smack...
I would like to welcome all the GB`ERS attending the NYC Danfest. The City will be sparkling ,safe and fun. I will personally make an appearance. The word is I`M too busy locking up homeless people(jail is better than the streets in this weather) and campaigning against " The Bitch " too attend the TAN Party. I too am excited ,for Walter is a native and Donald was raised just a few miles away in Passaic, New Jersey. World class cuisine,ethnicity,museums,cultural events and the New York State of mind is all here for you too enjoy!,and it sure beats the fuck out of a boring ass time in Richmond. I would be remiss in not mentioning that the Civil War is over and guess what?The South got pummelled and its time for South Carolina too come to y2k and take down that hidious flag....I know that loss was tough to take ,but the fuckin jokes over.
re: no "common favorite"I think that's a good thing. Nothing worse than an album with one hit and 9 fillers.
re: premature evaluation
Does anyone think the band/record company didn't think the "pre-release" CDs wouln't make it out to the public? Calculated and accounted for. If I had a chance to listen (or buy at a reasonable price) I'd do it, but waiting till the 29th is no big deal either.
Damn, it's COLD here tonite. Windchill is about -35!!
Related to nothing I guess but in reading "reviews" here and on the newsgroup and other places, in the press and so on, I noticed how there's a range of eveybody's "favorite" from TAN. Theres no single song that everybody loves, some peoples favorite is somebody else's "dog", and so on. I was just thinking this is like all their other albums. Everybody has a favorite but its not always the same one, my friends and I have fought for years over this ("how can you like THAT one? And why don't you love THIS one?). People are really grabbed by different ones. Interesting to think they might still have that effect
Best line of the thing:roger: your brain is highly convoluted, walt. it has been a pleasure devoting my life to you.
Anyway, back to the asshole part. How sick do you guys have to be to flame the people who made the huge mistake of wanting to legally listen to the album for the first time? The same guys who give you the forum in which you spout your drivel with, disgusting. The other college kids make me look like shit by outwordly begging for a copy.
I don't think we're trying to make ourselves look good or saintly by claiming that we won't be listening to advance versions. I'd just like to think that we have enough respect for Don and Walt to wait a few extra weeks to hear their eagerly anticipated product. Like we know better than them enough to spend outrageous amounts of money on it early, or know more than the two enough to whore ourselves for a radio-station copy. How about a little trust?
If Andy M. (not that he would) put the album up on his site, I wouldn't grab it; even with this wonderful .edu connection. I never had the chance to waltz down to the record store and pick up a big LP, take my time and take it home and do it right. Now we have hardware.
Yeah, St. Al's a sellout. That makes sense. You guys are fucked.
Ok, no more coffee for me. Nicer posts, with improved spelling, will follow.
I don't care what anybody says, I'm waiting till I get married to do the deed
That's the funniest fuckin' post I've EVER read on this board...touche!
I just had to vote no. Call it the smartass in me.
shalom,
Dragon
*don & walt sitting around apartment**walt using powerbook to read GB*
walt: you know that guy, st. al?
don: oh yeah, i think about him on a daily basis.
walt: well, he has chosen not to listen to advance promo copies of our cd.
don: thank god! it has been my deepest artistic wish that he not listen to the album forty days in advance. the promo copies were only made for certain people, and i think st. al will get the most enjoyment if he listens to the disc on feb. 29th.
walt: you mean, the release date had nothing to do with the fact that it will optimize our record and ticket sales, and give enough time for an advance buzz from "focus tracks"? the suits told us --
don: no, you drug-addled fool! our artistic integrity is at stake here! i really want st. al to get the most out of this! in fact, while you've been freebasing smack and writing fake open letters, roger and i have been working on a secret project.
*roger nichols enters the room*
walt: speak of the devil!
roger: my ears are burning, guys.
*walter becker says something clever at this point, and the other two enjoy a small inward chuckle while walter basks in this appreciation of his hyperintelligence*
roger: your brain is highly convoluted, walt. it has been a pleasure devoting my life to you.
walt: uh, my life has had enough of a strong homoerotic undercurrent without you making comments like that, rog. let's cut to the chase.
don: bring the new cd up.
*roger nichols hurries downstairs. don and walt massage each other's brains. roger comes up*
roger (holding cd case): you've heard of DIVX? steely dan, inc. has bought the defunct technology.
walt: why, for fuck's sake?
roger: after one day, the cd is rendered unplayable.
don: see where we're going with this here, waltie boy?
walt: fuck no.
don: a special 'two against nature' DIVX player will be available from circuit city and over the net. then the cd is bought, and can only be played on feb. 29th. as i've said my artistic wishes are that certain people --
roger: like st. al.
don: exactly. my artistic wishes are that certain beloved fans don't listen to the cd before feb. 29th. well, this will guarantee that they don't listen to it *after* that day either.
walt (rolling his eyes): per your "artistic wishes."
don: ain't i artistic?
walt (cradling his head in his hands): yep.
*walter becker gets up and gets colt six-shooter and bullets out of a drawer. "little kawai" is engraved in ornate lettering on barrel*
don: it is hoped that the good fans of steely dan -- such as those who maintain web sites, but don't listen to unauthorized recordings or buy anything on ebay -- will use this system. this is what i sincerely wish.
walt (loading pistol): aristically.
don: now you're catching on.
walt (cocking pistol): what about the other fans? the ones who don't quite care as deeply about these artistic wishes, but want to hear the music, go to the aforementioned web sites occasionally and may possess an unauthorized live recording or two?
*donald fagen gets up and faces the large picture window, which displays a beautiful manhattan skyline. his hands are clasped behaind his back*
don: these are the fans that are beyond hope. these have been labeled RABID fans.
walt (toying with pistol): there will be regular cds for them?
don: the good fans, for example the esteemed st. al, will be good enough to buy the costly DIVX system. the unwashed masses can have a regular disc. they aren't worthy of my artistic attention anyway.
roger: can i go now? my wife's waiting downstairs.
*don and walt ignore roger's request. donald turns around*
*walter becker raises gun and fires at a fly on a marble bust of charlie parker. top of marble head shatters. roger nichols jumps, startled, and runs downstairs. fly moves erratically toward framed picture of bob dylan on mantle, landing on dylan's nose. donald fagen whips out magnifying glass and eagerly examines remnants of bust*
don: hmmm. from the looks of it, you were off by one millimeter. as usual, you were a bit off.
*walter narrows eyes and fingers trigger*
don (grabbing pistol out of walter's hand): never send a boy to do a man's job. allow me.
*don crouches, squints and grits his teeth, aiming at wounded fly, which is still on dylan's face. he moves the gun, adjusting for twenty minutes before noticing that walter has left the apartment. fly dies of natural causes*
YGK: I have now actually shelled out money (more accurately plastic) for plane tix, so it looks like it's official: I shall indeed be making the scene at your loverly NYC Danfest March 3-5.Waiting on a voicemail back from my brother, regarding a b'n'b not far from where he and his girlfriend live in Chelsea. (Booking in the Chelsea Hotel itself has its romantic draw, but I'd rather spend the money on partying at Le Bar Bat and wherever else we decide to party).
Now to go through my wardrobe and find enough kewl black-on-black clothing so as not to look like a total hayseed in Manhattan. Arg. What in hell am I going to do about non-disreputable-looking walking shoes? ("you must be joking, son ...") Oh well, I feel a shopping excuse coming up, such a pity ...
/Mam'zelle Daphne G. Canard
getting ready for her closeup
Doc: as understandable as your desire is to see the popular tourist sites considering you haven't been here before, most NYers will tell you they don't want to do the tourist thing, because they've done it all before - several times, at least - and the allure and interest is way past gone. Most of my friends opt for an attitude which is "well, if you want to do the Statue of Liberty, that's fine, but you're on your own".
That attitude is reflected here which leads me to the offer I have made. However, I must mention that the 'seedy side' of town is seedy primarily BECAUSE of the seeds - they are part of the atmosphere, the necessary element, if you will. To make a reference to perhaps a bad choice of example, the church ain't the building - its the people (which is perhaps why so many folks have a strong disdain for the church, but that's another story).
So it is with the 'church' of new york - I can show you tourist spots, but 1. you're getting ripped off by EVERYTING there, and 2. they don't really capture the real new york, the opportunities for anything happening, the diverse mix of people and ideas....
there's the ability to make/experience peace and find a niche with individuals who are similarly minded, or, even to be completely alone in a city of 8 million.whatever, my offer stands.....but if you want me to show you 42nd street, the UN and other assorted unique places with tourist appeal, I'll be a no show, until later, when you may want to experience some fine 'neighborhood' dining, obscure musical offerings, or performance art in either the East Village or the lofts of Tribeca....
where "writers actually listen to homeless' ramblings, musicians absorb the rythyms of the subway and then walk across the bridge at 2 in the morning for 'perspective', and life can be the best and worst at the same time....and you still love it all....."
ygk
hey mid cruiser - was the contest date specific on how soon you had to place your order? I have been procrastinating again
and now back to your regularly scheduled lobotomy.....
The Official Dan Page says that all tickets have been awarded
Stranger....the pre-orders will not go out before February 29th. The incentive to wait on them was the free tickets to the show of your choice from this summer's concert tour.Has anyone heard anything yet regarding the ticket giveaway to SD Newsletter subscribers? I keep checking the mail and checking the mail but....
you ever feel like you were invisible to most of the people here?
YGK: I've never been to the city... I figured I'd have to see some of the big tourist stops... but I also would like to see the seedy side of town, too... w/o the seeds, of course! Not sure when I'm coming but if I can line up some activities then maybe this summer... maybe even as part of the tour...
I haven't posted in about a week, meaning to post for that long, and I know why I haven't gotten around to it:most of you guys are assholes.
At least W+D are assholes with a purpose, you guys are just lame.
Clas: my man came home last night from San Diego bearing 2 gifts for me. One of them was a jar of Hifi Lingonberries! Oh, I don't care what he did if he brings me Lingonberries! The folks at Hefi reccommend I make a Lingonberry milk shake - I never thought of that! I love them on Swedish pancakes. How do you enjoy those wonderful little red berries?Oh, and you called Q a "rawmodel" instead of a "roll model." Was that on purpose or just serendipity?
Q: some junkie you are - you told us where your stash is! Or mabye that was just disinformation. Anyway, don't trust anyone coming to your office claiming to be the Carpet Cleaners...
fezo: either we all are part of a big machine in some way, or we aren't and you are and they planted you in this gb. please advise me on how I should approach the bench. (I'm an attorney now in my fantasy, and I'm arguing the case for loving those who claim to have the *New One* anyway.) So far, no cd has turned up for evidence and some think it's just a phantom!
rb
rb
In the 'been suffering from the day-late syndrome of new parenthood dept.':Through the kindness of ruby (during our annual Starbucks hang) I got my first listen to JWMalibu's TM GB '99 Compilation and must say its quite an impressive deal. A Custerdomed-size round of applause to you contributors: Clas, Mr. Chow, YGK, Florida, Hutch, Your Schwinness, F#Maj9, JW, Roy.Scam and RixHex56.
ruby: re: KEZL, It wasn't me…but I'm tuning in.
mW
Thank you Fezo, Clas.The Truth: Some people just don't get it. Some people just can't have it. Some people just don't get enough.
Sucks to be all those people at once, doesn't it?
is it me? Or does Donald sound like Daffy Duck on this tan thing at times?"Just a tthirll aaway from brahking pthrew"
best line from song TAN. "All you tuetonic twats should take it like a man!"
Yours,
Janis Joplin
HIV+ person: How can you be so negative? Ask any of the artists whose music can now be heard on every continent if they feel raped? Nelson M. has Graceland in his CD changer. P Simon deserves Nobel Peace Prize. Sounds like your country is raping itself? Maybe it's because you can't tell the difference between love and exploitation.I'm positive.
Negative Man
St Al - nice perspective on the appre she a tive
con oh sewer and the raa bed fan
a fine line that some walk and the internet can be a great insightful tool but also can draw one too far down the mouth of overt in dull gentsSoul Monkey - I too think that Karma while substistantive has a much lesser aural backing - the damn drums are almost too synth synch flaky hopefully less of this and more backing sub stan chi ola
YGkeiths comment on Walter full pressence adding the needed guitar infusion is dead on
Aja - like minds - I thought you might need something a little less sanitary after clive stape,Robbins fits that bill nicely. glad we like alot of the same authors, so throw one my way
Q - those who feel compelled to defend thy actions spend a little too much time priming a pump that doesn't need oiling
Q - funny but the only good Burt Reynolds movie is Deliverance for the very nature that he is a damn great actor in it. As an actor Burt is kind of like Rod Stewart as a singer, very promising start then totally commercial but cat o stroph ick artistic flop - Every picture and the faces/beck stuff ruled but the Rod sellout was so god awful and so complete (if you like my...) as to induce vomiting ala Smokey Cannonball Run and hide
Q - trilogy complete - you better see deliverance, clas' compliment on the banjo player re sem bland see will take on new per speck tive.
toby dts is dits, why take what was intended in superbly imaged point source stereo mode in the studio and expand it to sir round sound
as for analogys opn the wait
If someone sent me TAN I wouldn't listen to it, I still add i meant lee want to hear the final master in it's due time
I used the ultrascan gender analogy before birth before
now with all your neat comments flying by each day it's more like this. wonderfull restraint during foreplay. you are both holding back against a crescendo and the spoke word is used as an equal stimulant. You hear what it's like and what could be on the "menu" but you don't cross that line of no return indulgence
You want this to drag on for hours. You have an edge you will not cross and this foreplay constraint is even more arousing that being given it all lustfully at onceam I may king this an al low gee clear?
oh what a painfully fun month of bleu cohonies to look forward to
at least you women in this waiting mode only have to bite those nails or hang on to something
this is the day of the expanding man ;-]
we're all part of one machine or another. the only person who isn't is the Unabomber. see how he turned out.but having said that, i find the notion that there is some official Steely Dan party line that St. Al, Hoops, et al., have to march in lock step to be laughable.
Walter and Donald as Big Brother. Yeah, right.
St Al - nice perspective on the appre she a tive
con oh sewer and the raa bed fan
a fine line that some walk and the internet can be a great insightful tool but also can draw one too far down the mouth of overt in dull gentsSoul Monkey - I too think that Karma while substistantive has a much lesser aural backing - the damn drums are almost too synth synch flaky hopefully less of this and more backing sub stan chi ola
YGkeiths comment on Walter full pressence adding the needed guitar infusion is dead on
Aja - like minds - I thought you might need something a little less sanitary after clive stape,Robbins fits that bill nicely. glad we like alot of the same authors, so throw one my way
Q - those who feel compelled to defend thy actions spend a little too much time priming a pump that doesn't need oiling
Q - funny but the only good Burt Reynolds movie is Deliverance for the very nature that he is a damn great actor in it. As an actor Burt is kind of like Rod Stewart as a singer, very promising start then totally commercial but cat o stroph ick artistic flop - Every picture and the faces/beck stuff ruled but the Rod sellout was so god awful and so complete (if you like my...) as to induce vomiting ala Smokey Cannonball Run and hide
Q - trilogy complete - you better see deliverance, clas' compliment on the banjo player re sem bland see will take on new per speck tive.
toby dts is dits, why take what was intended in superbly imaged point source stereo mode in the studio and expand it to sir round sound
as for analogys opn the wait
If someone sent me TAN I wouldn't listen to it, I still add i meant lee want to hear the final master in it's due time
I used the ultrascan gender analogy before birth before
now with all your neat comments flying by each day it's more like this. wonderfull restraint during foreplay. you are both holding back against a crescendo and the spoke word is used as an equal stimulant. You hear what it's like and what could be on the "menu" but you don't cross that line of no return indulgence
You want this to drag on for hours. You have an edge you will not cross and this foreplay constraint is even more arousing that being given it all lustfully at onceam I may king this an al low gee clear?
oh what a painfully fun month of bleu cohonies to look forward to
at least you women in this waiting mode only have to bite those nails or hang on to something
this is the day of the expanding man ;-]
Svenska Dagbladet (swedish Newspaper), Dan Backman, about Two Against Nature;"...more jazzy, more funky and more intelligent than ever before".
The truth - I don't think StAl are making a living as a Steely Dan-tailer.
Or is he?
StAl - can you get me one of those T-shirts? I offer you 5 bucks.
Moray Eel - I can't agree with you more!
El Az in the basement. I used to live 2 blocks away while undergrading at moo u and most of the time it made less sense to cook than to hit that great dungeon atmosphere I had a few great lesbian waiteress friends there from back then. The roof in today's old Bilbos local is a nice setting, but the graffitti lined stair waits with a stashed six of beer and friends was classic I've lived in Denver, Dallas, N.O. and visited many many "mex known cities" and still this is the best mex in my book
pricier than before but still dirt cheapyou were probably at the table next door sipping the same margaritas in a parallel universe, neat
i detect the el supremo from (the cue from) the top of the stairs
oh yeah, right, we forgot. Walt+Don have an Official Party Line.they're as corporate as it gets, THAT'S why we listen to their music......silly us. And they love to dangle carrots, dontcha know.
THE TRUTH can blow it out yer arse.
everyone needs to realize that StAl and Hoops HAVE to say the things they do, othjerwise they wouldn't be getting into the shows next week and get all the neat inside things from SD WEebDrone. They are meerley taking the SD official party line cause they know they have to, publicly anyway. They are part of the machine now.
Thanks, Clas - I am always relaxed, but I am certifiable- hyperactivity is my natural state.PS I never saw Deliverence........Burt Reynolds was never an individual I was interested in.
damn, where is that psychiatric cocktail when you need it.........shit is it under this table, hold on maybe it's under that bump in the carpet.
Q
Q - be cool man. You are groovy, I mean, you're standing as a rawmodel to one of the characters in the movie "Deliverance". Tune your banjo and relax.StAl - so you're trying to tell us that you aint got the CD and the T-shirt from the Steely Dan webdrone yet? Bullshit.
Irving Azoff - Fagen and Becker tried to get away with it. It took several years before Keith Jarret went to court with the Gaucho-rip.
Aja - ah! The car! Yes it was me! Do you remember?
C
"Two Against Nature represents some of the finest pop music produced in well over 20 years. It picks up where Becker & Fagen left off (Gaucho, 1980) and explores syncopated jazz arrangements with a beautiful horn section and ultra fine guitar work. The music is primarily guitar driven by what-would-see-like Becker and when not, is pumped by some uncharacteristically redundant drum loops. A neo-bop horn section splashes bits of jazz flava along with the tasteful keyboard work by Fagen. The album is a Guitar players dream; the work here covers all of the guitar bases short of Eddie Van Halen and Joe Satriani (but we've heard that haven't we?) Two Against Nature should produce a few hit tracks with crossover potential. Also benefits the high fidelity set - and everyone who has ever thoought of seducing their cousin."
I come from the continent Paul Simon raped. Where a "pill" is a baby you hold between your legs hoping it won't cry while your "husband" mounts your backside in the name of birth control.Husband? Husbandry is all I know. I wear a small bell around my neck so the men can hear when I rise to wash. If I were to remove it they would hear it better still.
1.134% of TAN is relevant to 9.273% of the world's population. Do the math. I do the tribe.
get real, people. the ONLY reason you're "content" to wait for the official release is because you have to!
Cousin Dupree is not indicative of TvN. In fact TvN is probably most like CBAT. A mishmosh of great work, mostly hits, a couple misses. But better than 99.9% of the shit out there right now. In other words, TvN kicks ass. I'd never expect a couple of 50 year old geezers to come up with this kind of stuff.
In Chat 11:15 EST
Geena,Mock Turtle, Moray eel, Altamira, Great Posters who have been sorely missed,but due to the excitement have been back Jack.
Q: Quentin Tarantino was born in Knoxville, TN. I think that is what Clas meant, though one can never be sure.WJZW in VA seems to be a crisp link. Can those in the area report on the frequency or appearance of What a Shame About Me?
YGK: Obviously this is a guess - but Cousin Dupree is likely the exception and not the rule on the new one (along with perhaps Janie Runaway). If the MP3s are reflective, the math is simply of a higher order on this one and they are bop-influenced IMHO - but then that's great - it seemed that if they had stayed together in the early 80s or writer's block had not infiltrated Donald, they would ended up doing almost straight jazz anyway. Where Kama was a simpler core (for these guys) with complex and ornate furnishings, I bet we have a complex core here with a variety of simple and complex accompaniment. Donald's groove thing which apparantly shows up again here really dates back to the Isley's "It's Your Thing" and James Brown.
I knew this was going to happen.I scorn no one. I blame no one. The only bad guys here are the ones financially profiting from OUR zeal.
I say wait until it's official. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to.
Sometimes i get a little frustrated with the overthetop mentality of some of the fans. Like Hoops, at times this reminds me of King Of Comedy. Watch it, if you haven't and perhaps you'll understand what I mean.
Brothers and Sisters...relax. I meant no harm. Just stirring the pot as I'm known to do every now and then.
Crimson: having (finally) heard Cousin Dupree this week, I'd like to gently suggest a different perspective. Using Cousin as a sample track indicative of the rest of the album, this is not a be-bop album at all. And to say "be-bop like Kama" is then doubly wrong.My perspective on Kama, from an arrangers head, is that Kama is Donald's lyrical imagination, (key)"board colors" with his writing naturally extending to horns and backing vox. The drum parts are simple and clean as is the rest of the album. The cat doesn't write for guitar as far as I can see.
So therefore - using Cousin as an example - the formal rejoining of Steely Dan includes Walter and his guitar wizardry/karma which drives the track as again Donald colors the track with with unique funkiness that he always brings. I must say, however, that the keyboard "crashes" during the intro and a few other places, I think, in Cousin are disturbing and annoying to me. It sounds like my cat is has jumped on my piano - (and my cat DOES play)....but that's my only criticism.Kama - and most likely 2vN - Ain't no bebop....
Listen to Charlie Parker
peace
ygk
St.Al, relative to the one subtopic, I guess I'm simply saying: don't those who collect do so for the SAME reasons that you and others engage in the activities(maintaining Dan net sites,etc.)that you(they) engage in relative to the Dan?Isn't it just "their" way of expressing their love for the Dan's incredible art - you can say "it's only R&R" but then Mozart was a crazy young upstart writing "just opera(which millions of people-not myself- enjoy and commit millions of dollars to and much time and effort toward)", Van Gough a virtually unrecognized hack in his day- it was only "painting"- now appreciated by millions. I say the Dan stands so far above the rest that why do they not deserve for various people to pour their hearts and souls into it through various expressions.
I don't neccessarily think The Dan is "just R&R"
Led Zep is just R&R (hey and I like them too!)
Even if you disagree with this premise, it seems odd coming from you - I would consider it to be as if Pete Fogel, or Kinky or some other "privileged" people took this stance.
PS I respect both of them because i know they (particularly Pete) have invested a great deal of time and WORK into their passion - that's why they are "privileged". I suspect that's also why you have also shared in "privileges" - because you have worked to create something of some significance relative to the Dan- and i applaud you for it.Done for the week.
Q
Anyone want to meet me in chat?
middle aged belt to be a goody goody, and that probably goes for all of us. I'd say we're more like D&W themselves: been there a long time ago, enjoyed it but not going back. Learned a thing or two along the way. Fun to reminisce about now and then, though.Strange bunch, that we are.
aja
Just got back,Firstly, Clas I give no thought whatsoever to my grammar or punctuation on this board because I don't have time, type quickly(BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER LIFE AND ITS BUSY!)- and because I don't give a shit about such pathetically trivial things on a friggin internet chat room!
PS you are giving lessons on English now???????????????
and is that all you can come up with as a retort?
Have some more bannanasClas you and Gaucho are mind bogglingly stupid...............probably only the other GB'ers will understand this better , but how many "rednecks" do you know named "Quentin" - oh, and by the way I've lived in Vienna, Colorado Springs,and Boston........all known as major redneck havens...........morons. I won't even dignify you're other pathetic remarks........talk about sinking low- you just matched your porno gig and your personal threat gig, and your harassment of some women via email on the GB in the old days, etc. Gaucho your such a non- entity, I don't even know why I'm mentioning your name. I'll see you on the 2020 Guatemala Tour......
As for this CDR, and bootlegging issue -If any one is pointing at me I'll tell you what - FIND ONE PERSON WHO HAS BOUGHT A COPY FROM ME AND I'LL PAY YOU AND $1000 WHEN I SEE YOU AT THE PBS OR VH-1 SPECIAL- OR I'LL SEND IT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T ATTEND AND I'LL GIVE DON AND WALT A $1000 TO GIVE TO THEIR FAVORITE CHARITY.
Apparently only Clas made this accusation by name(atleast your man enough for that which is more than I can say for some people), so I'll generally disregard it, but the invitation is open..........
This "have - have not" stuff is bullshit, and it would be nice if you guys would grow up who are whining. I know MAJOR people who are "highly accepted and esteemed" in the GB community who have the disc - are they evil?????? You guys are constantly full of hypocracy. And if you think people have flaunted it BELIEVE me you've seen NOTHING - actually people have been relatively VERY discrete.Now to really get my self in trouble.
St. Al it seems to me that you were engaging in some hypocracy and bordering on the class warfare theme and frankly condescending when it came to your "other life" theme.
I sure I'm rated a "rabid fan" ,but' I've got a great family that I spend lot's of time with, am hugely engaged in SCCA racing(thus the BMW that some delighted in hammering me on), and am a huge Formula 1 fan, have a thriving business with lot's of employees I spend time with and hundreds of clients I interact with regularly, and I could go on and on.More importantly, as far as other so called "rabid fans" go, I'm sure most "rabid danfans" are probably pretty intelligent people(given the complex and non mainstream nature of the Dan's music) who;thus, likely DO have other interests.
Is a rabid fan one who bothers to maintain a web site of the group........?
Is someone who gets to go backstage and post pictures of it, "PRIVELAGED" relative to other fans........?
St. Al I am very willing to speculate that you have friends or acquaintences who already have sample discs - are you scorning THEM for this?
If your only scorning buyers and producers of CDRs , I'm on the same page with you.And , finally, are people who like to collect vintage Dan stuff and people who are "completists" "BAD PEOPLE"- gee whiz ,that means that atleast half the population of the US are bad people because the majority of people like to collect something.............whether music oriented or whatever. And collectors tend to become more and more passionate as time goes on and their collecting success becomes greater.
Of course the real issue is ethics and integrity when you get into "big leauge" collecting. When I buy (something of significance), make sure it has been in the public domain for several years, and that it is not stolen or that it comes from a "trustworthy" source, atleast as far as this stuff can be traced in certain instances.
Do you know there was a time when Warner put a diplay for sale in San Fran or LA sellong hundreds of what are now considered to be priceless collectables for flea market prices - RIAA record awars, tapes, etc. This stuff eminates from all manner and permutation of sources.I don't know you but I like you and this isn't meant as a presonal assault, but a man to man discussion of a topic on which you made some (uncharacteristically) strong and pointed remarks. Phrased differently, This is just a serious response in the context of a debate.I invite response from you.
I will commit to post nothing further regarding the new CD, so as to not inflame what will, clearly remain a tenuous,alienating and disruptive issue - even though some people just need to grow up. Franky - you would'nt believe how many people already have promo copies of the disc.
well I'll suspend my dissertation
PS - I don't know who spends 3 or even 2 hours on the web daily visitng Dan based sites(gee, I must be missing a hell of a lot- and, oh - are people who use the SDChat room "rabid fans" with no other life?), I only spend about 30 minutes a day on the web visiting Dan sites.....
Remember, neck size 17 for that noose.....
Q
PS I swear this is it !
But I also want to add that I actually got emails from more than one "accepted and highly esteemed" GB "community" member who expressed that they thought the "have- have not" thesis is so much whining and that there is a lot of hypocracy flying around heare.
Hey gang.
I was surprised when I searched the GB for "dts". I was looking at the earlier discussion of DVD, so I assume a few of you know about dts, or Digital Theater Systems (www.dtstech.com). Essentially, dts is a surround sound format used in movie theaters (like Dolby Digital or Sony Digital Dynamic Sound). There are now receivers that decode dts (like DVD players and receivers that decode Dolby Digital -- in fact it's the same chip now, just different instructions), and this summer DVD Audio players will decode dts.The reason I bring this up is because one of the 125 or so dts CDs (CDs recorded in a 5.1 format), one is GAUCHO.
As a college student, I don't know many people with dts equipment... in fact the only one I knew graduated. BUT, if anyone does have a dts decoder, buy the dts GAUCHO and tell us how it is!!!!!
Thanks,
TttM
PS- The one dts CD I _have_ heard was of a show from The Eagles' Hell Freezes Over tour, and it was quite amazing.
Who is the bigger fan?? . . . blah blah blah. Here is the deal. Its out there. you can get it. I don't know anybody who paid for it. but we all will on Danmas leap.What do you know about D&W's wishes? They are the ones who oked it to be put out!
Strange crew these steely dan fans - either goody-goody creme puffs or deranged serial killers!!
Janie is a goood one to have for a fave. my kind of perversion. What is the age of consent in NY?
Pop toes
y'know - if I could hear 2vsN now I would. But since I can't, I'm going to lean into the experience. I mean, I could get that *haves/have nots* mentality and gripe about it, or I could just enjoy the anticipation. Those mp3 clips are like getting a glipse of forbidden skin, but you know you're going to get the whole tamale if you just wait.
It's a matter of paradigm...minorworld: holy cow! As I write this What A Shame About Me is playing on KEZL! It's perfect! I haven't been listening to snooze jazz for nothing!! Maybe that little note I sent them had impact. Or did you talk to your friend? Gotta go
I'm dancing!
rb
Regarding some of the opinions being put forth on TAN:Of course they won't sound just like the "old" SD. Go back and look at albums 1-7 and notice the major difference. This was in about an 8 year span. Twenty years will have some affect on taste and style. The important thing is quality. I'm looking forward to hearing what direction has been taken with this new record (and hope for still more).
I would also like to request the following songs be part of the 2000 tour (speaking of the "old" SD):
Pretzel Logic
Doctor Wu
Gold Teeth II
Don't Take Me Alive (again)
Black Cow (again)
Bodhisattva (again)
Boston Rag
Geena, St. Al,
I ordered TAN from Amazon. Will it be mailed out before Feb. 29? If not, I guess I'll cancel so I can get it from Tower or somebody the old-fashioned way.SoulMonkey,
I agree. Dan got more jazzed and it was good. The Beatles were great, but why go backwards?
Mock.You must wait.
I know you like to wait for it.
It's always better if your wait for it.
You'll get it if you're good.
Down boy!
This just in:
"Hollywood, CA January 20, 2000
Actor Sean Penn has recently signed on to a new Merchant/Ivory production entitled, "the Phan" a loosly knit sequel to "the Fan" with Robert Deniro and Wesley Snipes. "the Phan" deals with an overbearing groupie of an unknown rock band - played by Penn - who tracks other fans of the group on the internet, and develops a frightening ability to earn his living from bootlegged material, while stalking the band and their "relatively normal" less-than-overzealous, fans. Director Mike Lee is being considered; with Anthony Hopkins and Harvey Keitel as shady record executives feeding the frenzy; still in pre-production, "Phan" is slated for release in Spring/Summer 2001."my, my, my
ygk
Are you all INSANE?? The anticipation is absolutely killing me.A plea to anyone who has 2vN. See the e-mail address above? E-mail me for my address. If someone's been sending out unsolicited CDs, surely you'd help out a poor college student who won't be able to focus on his studies for another month. E-mailers' identities will be kept confidential. I'll either keep music to myself or pass it on to select others, as sender wishes.
And yes, I'll be there at midnight on Monday, so don't fret, all you fretters. Don and Walt will get their two bucks or whatever.
Yes, I'm willing to beg, for certain things. This CD, and the obvious.
Thank you for your time.
Who's a bigger fan?This is the topic of the day boys and girls.
On one hand we have the contented fan. On the other we have the "RABID" fan. Who's the winner? Let's see....
The contented fan has a life outside of Steely Dan. This fan, though equally as opinionated and ravenous for information about the band, respects the bands desire for artistic control.
The rabid fan typically has no life. This fans spend most of their free time (usually 3 or more hours a day) surfing sites like this, the newsgroup, eBay, and the like. They tend to place every action of the band under a microscope often forgetting that it's only rock and roll. They pay outrageous sums of money for used 8-tracks of Aja just because they've just got to have it (You're on to something there Dr WU).
Now, if you're like me you'll fall somewhere in the middle. I spend a helluva lot of time on the Internet doing things related to Steely Dan. Like maintaining this web site. I respect the artists desire for artistic control, yet I've been know to line the pockets of thieves who are reaching into W&D's...
This, however, is more than some shitty Kenny Vance CD. This is the first SD recording in 20 years. They've worked hard on it and I'm going to respect their wishes. Plain and simple. It's the people selling these items that are the assholes, not the "rabid" fan, however, if there was no market, then the assholes wouldn't take advantage of the "rabid" fan....
Bring it on...
StAl
Hey Crimson Tide, what's wrong with Karma anyway. I think it's outstanding. If you don't call that soulful, what the hell do ya call it? On the Dunes is a good as it gets pal. The old Steely Dan is gone. Are you not able to see the metamorphosis throughout the years. Straight rock, to more jazz on and on. Ever so slightly changing. What are these guys supposed to do, go back and rehash old stuff to keep us the fans happy. I don't think so. That's why they are Steely Dan. They do whatever they damn well please, and I wish we could all say that. I don't mean to sound harsh, and if I am then I'm sorry. I'm just glad we have something else from the Magnificent Ones, before they keel off-just kidding. The new album rocks, and yes it is not old SD but what the hell you're probably not the same person you were 20 years ago either
SoulMonkey-------In Times Square now, people do the Polka
Clas-my mistake, I guess that was the Pan Am building you wanted to test out (see recent posts on the coriolis effect). In that case, who was that in my backseat???I'm still savoring the joys of anticipation. March 1 is my birthday (I'll be undeniably "middle aged" at this one) and I can't think of a better way to brighten it than some brand new SD and sharing the discussion with all my fellow GBers. Sorta like going to breakfast the morning after your first night with that someone.
tom, Babylon Sister, and all Mex food lovers: here in San Diego the best Mex food places are owned by one family, and we walk miles for their rolled tacos with cheese and guacamole. When they took away our beloved F-14's (another good reason to go to VA) this is what the guys missed most.
Erleichda, tom! Or something like that (can't remember the exact word).
Guy-closets are for clothes! Welcome aboard.
aja
I've listened to the sound clips on the Dan web site, and I must say that I am mildly disappointed (and bummed out). I was hoping for a revival of the soulful Steely Dan, but instead got the cutesy be-bop shit a la Karmakiriad (sp?). Can someone help me put this in perspective?
Doc: in the interest of being 'of the moment', "No! Dammit! One time offer only! Buy now!"but, in your case, maybe....
ygk
Type De Ver: Le partage des quarts pendant un festival d'hommage peut tout à fait se fortifier Des années d'Ater sur la route avec Aerosmith, je suis positif que vous ayez traité votre partie d'adorer les spectateurs féminins. Quel était que vous avez dit au sujet des d'imitation? Si vous faites un bon Donald, il y a une chance que vous serez un fils très chanceux.
I've listened to the sound clips on the Dan web site, and I must say that I am mildly disappointed (and bummed out). I was hoping for a revival of the soulful Steely Dan, but instead got the cutesy be-bop shit a la Karmakiriad (sp?). Can someone help me put this in perspective?
I'm with Moray, Mitch and StAl, I'm going to wait. Why? Because I can and because i have the patience of a cat. In fact, I will clear my entire calendar of job interviews that day (ha!), get up early in the morning, wrap up the chick in her snowsuit, grab a bottle of milk (for the chick), my sip-and-go cup of coffee and drive to either Tower Records or Coconuts and be the first to purchase the new CD. (StAl, too bad we're not in the same time zone, we could do this in sync). I don't have a cd player in the car so I'd have to take it home so the Mistress and I can groove to it.
YESSSS! It's almost here!
Favorite cut on 2vN is Janie Runaway
YGK: will that tour offer still be available at another time?
Keith: you won! you got paid! probably still do! probably the easiest dough you earned even considering everythingygk
tom-I've read both!aja
What is the status of the Chatroom ? Is Sunday the only time it is in use? I would think that there is plenty of folks here that it could attain full time usage. TAN ... TAN... TAN...
Right on, Heidi Hole! I'm sure that everyone within the GB who has an advance copy is going to rush out and buy a copy of TAN on 2/29 anyway, so the point is moot. I've got it, and I'm listening to it constantly. I don't regret having received an unsolicited promo copy of it one iota. If you want to wait, then wait. If not, then enjoy the hell out of listening to it now. I know I am. My current favorites: Negative Girl, West of Hollywood, Jack of Speed & Almost Gothic.
Well, St.al i had a CDR of TAN ready to mail to you. but why bother if you aren't going to listen to it until Danmas day!There is a reason that many of it have this. They need us. We, the rabid fans, are early adopters, in Marketing lingo. We will have heard it by release time and will be urging more casual fans to buy the disc, even though it is just very good and not fantastic.
3. I for one hate winter, and this disc is very much going to help me make it through. By the time you listen to it the crocuses (croci?) will be out in my garden!
4, could you add a spell check feature to this GB?
hole
JW: I saw that you stopped in the chat room, i was away from my computer but still logged in. got cut off last eve btw. but the plan is set, the plan will be done.
maj©
Right on about "Gothic"!
Best cut. no contest. Gothic.WAIF
waif [1] (noun)
[Middle English, from Old North French, adjective, lost, unclaimed, probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse veif something flapping, veifa to be in movement -- more at WIPE]
First appeared 14th Century
1 a : a piece of property found (as washed up by the sea) but unclaimed
b plural : stolen goods thrown away by a thief in flight
2 a : something found without an owner and esp. by chance
b : a stray person or animal; especially : a homeless child
-- waif*like (adjective)
Whatevah: The difference -- My grin will be bigger than your grin. When you were a kid, did you ever force your parents to let you open your Christmas gifts on Christmas eve? Do you remember how disappointed you were on Christmas morning?Do you eat dessert before or after the meal?
Same deal.
Hey, I'm not saying I blame you or anyone else for their enthusiasm. Neither am I implying that by trading in these illicit CD's you're taking money out of W&D pocket with no intention of purchasing the real deal. The only point I was trying to make is how I'm coping with the wait...
Now, back to my mantra...
StAl
Keith:You are getting paid, right, for your Gaucho contribution?
Incidentally, it's been my experience that "rip-off artists" don't confess to their efforts in interviews with national publications.
IA
(please God, never let Don Henley die)
I too will wait for 2-29 ,we`ve waited 20 years and 5 weeks will be a nice countdown (remember high school when you knew you were getting close to getting into that speical girl`s pants?) I hear that What A Shame About Me is the best cut on the tape, Jack of Speed is excellent( played @ Art Crimes Tour) but lyrics have been revised. Cousin D seems to be getting mixed reviews here, but,if its good then 2vN will have a Trifecta. A lot of thought went into the ETHERIDGE household when it came to selecting David Crosby as a sperm donor......Well Winter finally arrived in Western Pa. today with 4 inches of snow......Micheal Franks has finally come out with a greatest hits CD. What does the GB think (those that have heard 2vN) is the best cuts on the New One
thats right, wait to buy TAN from a real record company (oops- they are such giant {no pun intended} thieves its rediculous)And - "We wouldn't want to thieve from D&W, they are such nice boys" - don't mention that around Me (Keith) or Horace - we'll kill ya. THEY ripped us bad, man.
Good things come to those and go out and get them.
It seems like you have all fallen under the spell of Wimpmaster General Hoop!
keith/horace
Zeke --
Yep great harmonies are all over 2vN. Not Valerie and Patti from the old days but newer voices like Carolyn Leonhart (remember her from the 1996 tour?).
Ole: nice chat. Thx for the ear.St. Al: Well said. I can relate to the coffee part too. Funny, when Gaucho came out it would have been a beer.
So I've got one item for those who have a copy. Tell me about the harmonies, can I expect Valeri Simpson, Patti Austin-like sounds in the background? Maybe I'm better off waiting.
ole - I read your interpretations and reflections on The nightfly. I agree with your opinion that it is probably one of the best dan-albums. To me it´s a growing mans escape and dreams about the times of innocence and a life without demands. Men ( &women?) at the age of Don (at that time about 35yrs)breeds that kind of escpasism when the going gets boring and without sence. But, I don´t think that Ruby is a "mere tangent" (I think you wrote that) Ruby is essential to the collage that Don paints. It sets the time and even invites you as a listener to participate as you (perhaps) already have that song in your own context. It makes it to more than Donald´s own world. Its an invitation.When it comes to the title track I have always seen it as a middle-class jazzloving young mans inability to participate with the "real" hipsters. For a very long time I thought he sang "I wish I had a hard life" instead of "I wish I had a heart like ice"! Another mistake (I´m not american or english) was that I heard "a rise (of the numbers) of men (hanging) in the trees" aiming at the Klan´s killing of black men.
Look forward to read yours (and others) interpretations of the new one.
Mooray- Anyone here that got an early copy of 2AN will buy the offical release when it comes out on Feb. 29th anyway...What's the big deal? In two years it's not going to matter who had the cd before it came out. I agree, to buy it on ebay is a little out there.Clas - You're a pompus ass. The funny thing is that you have nothing to be pompus about. Jerk!
Yeah but StAl, the band also obviously intended for promo CD's to be out there, more than 3 months ahead of the ridiculous official release date. For those of us who have been listening to it since before Christmas, well, it's a couple more months of beautiful SD listening that we otherwise wouldn't have had. A couple of months of my life that I wouldn't trade for anything.And by the way, I'll still be at the record store on Feb. 29, like you, standing in line with coffee, to get my official copy. Only with a different kind of grin on my face.
No.And by the way Q, space after comma.
C
aaaahhhhhhhhhhh,I have a bootleg here, Bruce Hornsby's next. Sorry Clas, It's just the way it is.Wanne buy it?
GAUCHO!You already got it? Tell me via email. Is it worth buying?
God, Steely Dan, I realize I'm loosing interest the closer we get.
And Gaucho, don't mind Q, The Bootleg Ape, his mother married her brother. You know, a kind of "Brother Dupree" thing. Also famous as the "Knoxville Intercourse". "Retarderat barn" is the Swedish words for the result..
AJA - what are you talking about hon? Empire State Building? Piss?? I think you have to turn to YGK or Kinky, they live in Brooklyn.
C
YGK - Love to be there but.... there's a lot of ocean and earth between here and there. Sounds like an excellent adventure though. Mr & Mrs Chow hope to zero in on the US later in the year.St Al. - I'm with you. As soon as the CD is spinning, no-one better interrupt.
NYC DANFEST POST-RELEASE CELEBRATION WEEKEND MARCH 3-5, 2000
Festivities to include evening at Le Bar Bat Saturday, March 4 featuring Dan-friendly sounds and a listening (or several) to "Two Against Nature", their first release in 20 years. (Like you didn't know that....)Also, non-traditional day (afternoon, really) NYC 'tours' (no Broadway shows, Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty, World Trade, Letterman, visits to Fridays, or ESPN Zone, THAT's not New York, jerk!)
- just off-beat, earthy, "real New York" neighborhoods and locales, some without formal addresses. Experience what it's like to (almost) sleep with the fishes (if you like, we can ARRANGE it), hear real jazz in a real, (I mean real) smoky club, perhaps check out the new artworld.....tours can be tailored/created to suit individual tastes, depending on availability.....WhatEVAH! Kids! The point is: come to New York for that weekend....there will be plenty to do, and since I am the unofficial Guesthost, I will be able to accomodate one lucky couple at the Uptown Hunter Inn - should there be a need, and you make a reservation politely, complete with two of the best domestic cats in the world, and views of Riverside Church and Grants Tomb and the cavernous Hudson.
In other scenarios, I can probably help you with hotels, should that be necessary. But by all means, come to New York for the release week celebrations.....
e-mail me with questions/requests or post here.....I lurk here often.....
ygk
wormwood: El Azteco is the best place on the planet, but I liked it better when it was underground. I used to crawl down there, under the street, through the firetrap stairway and have some of the best food ever concocted. The one off Logan or M.L.K. is excellent too. A plate full of nachos (too much for one man) and a pitcher of Michelob for $8 bucks? Can't beat it.mu: Some of the early posters claiming to have TAN were full of shit and their descriptions didn't match, but it's obvious that copies are out there and anyone can buy them. I'm sure that several people here really do have a copy. If some GBer's choose to buy it now, it's there choice. If they copy it and then sell it in an effort to get their money back ... well ... that's pretty slimy.
m.e.
As I told a very generous individual last night, my intention is to wait until the official release date. I find all this activity amusing. With shitty MP3's and promo CD's flying all around us I've taken a rather zen-like approach to this matter. I'm with Moray. I've waited 20 years, what's another couple of weeks for chrissakes...I want the satisfaction of waking up on the morning of the 29th, finding my way to my favorite coffee house and heading to my local CD store. I'll sit in that parking lot, waiting, listening to, say, Aja or something. When they unlock the doors to the store I'm going to be the first in line. I will stand at that counter with the BIGGEST FUCKING GRIN on my face, credit card and coffee in one hand, Two Against Nature in the other. I will walk out that door. I will remove the CD and plop it in my car's deck.
Ahhh.... A VERY good day indeed.
That's the way the band intended it. That's the way it's gonna be.
StAl
BabyS: New Braunfels at the edge of the Hill Country is a wonderful place...but we find ourselves wandering either to San Antonio for Tex-mex or Austin for migas at Kirby Lane Cafe...I've gotta put some miles in so I can partake again.m.e.: I'm with ya...we're pre-ordered here anyway. SOME of the folks claiming possession at various venues are simply full of it...when pushed for details they come up empty or when described songs now on MP3s were clearly don't resemble their descriptions - mixing up a Molotov for the 29th and layin' back. Ok, here's a message: if you new one claiming sniveling whiners hear a drum loop or 2 on the new one, why the shock and dismay when Gaucho, Nightfly, Kamakiriad, and 11TOW were consumed by them? Actually, Walter is recording all the songs live with the '93 SD Orkestra and releasing it as the *new* new one! Why not do 5 remixes and remasters in 2000 and get it over with?
Morey - I'm still 2vsN virginal and will stay that way till release date - good things come to those who wait, no?Bab Sis Amy - so where is Pat's? I've done Pappasitas many times, always good. Mex in N.O. is hit or miss. Best mex ever for me is still El Ez Taco in East Lansing Mich. 10 minutes from M&D and across the street from the spartan green and white campus
still gets #1 mex rating in Detroit papers and is a 2 hour drive away!Aja - so you like old clive, next book to ponder - TOm Robbins either Jitterbug Perfume or Still Life with Woodpecker, from the astute to the absurd. Fun
Yes Western World is yet another happy song - irony resplendant!
San Diego has not only it's faults, but also the whole damn place is just splattered onto the edge of the continent. Have done alot of S. Calif, but regretably never S.D. but someday
Beaut Housewife - so you have your TAN, sorry the sun drys out my outer abdomen membranes
Soul Monkey - great, Magnolia was already in my "to see" agenda this weekend
just by chance you crossed a diamond with the pearl....
aja - beautifully saidturning in
amy
if you are ever there be sure to stop and eat at pats. the best cheese enchilada's you ever put in your mouth. i don't know where you are from, so i don't know if you get good mexican. being from houston i eat it at least 3 times a week.
Count me in with the GBer's with principles.There are a lot of copies of Two Against Nature out there. The going rate seems to be $100 - $150. There is one on Ebay right now for $51 and rising. I'm sure that most people here could probably dig up the funds and buy it. No big deal.
Why aren't I bidding on it? Because:
1. This is going to be an official release from SD in five weeks. I've waited 20 years - five more weeks isn't going to kill me.
2. D + W will get a cut of the money I spend on it - instead of criminals and thieves.
Yes, I have some bootlegged live material. I know that it may sound hypocritical, but I have to draw the line somewhere.
If it's something that will never be officially released, I'm willing to buy it. If they ever officially release anything I have on bootleg, I'll buy that too.
If it's an early copy of Two Against Nature, I'm not touching it. I'd feel like I was stealing from D + W and giving it to crooks.
Climbing down from the horse,
m.e.
Hey tom-interesting discourse on "Here at the Western World". It is such an innocuous sounding little song, sidling up to you so gently you don't realize it's prostitution. Kinda like the way a good demon slips your soul from you with a smile (must be the C.S. Lewis).BTW, you should see the beauties we have out here in San Diego-faults, that is.
I believe there are still enough of us interested in Vegas Danfest to make it happen. The ODP indicates the U.S. tour will begin in June, so make a space for Vegas somewhere in your mental calendars this summer.
ruby baby-oh yes, anticipation! The part of seduction that never lets you down.
'night, all.
aja
I've been a lurker here for a few years now and wanted to "come out of the closet" I chatted with some very nice folk last night in St. Al's chat room. JW and Flaroom. I haven't heard the new one yet, but I'm going to both PBS shows! It's my time to shine!Later,
Guy D.
I can't understand all you winers who don't have tan yet!I just got one mailed to me annonomously. I thought everyone on the gB was getting one. Thanks to my generous benefactor. Am I still going to buy one when it comes out? is Denise Richards the most delectable wonder waif on the planet? Hell yes.
This CD is GREAT.
Don't be a dweeb and wait til the leap, get one now ya wimps.
Beautiful H
ps. Its kind of like the opposite of an aerial view - Unless i'm totally wrong!
Hey, has anyone seen the movie Magnolia. I just got back and it seems to me that this movie would be appreciated by the lot of us. Being John Malcovich was crazy, but Magnolia was absoulutely absurd. I strongly recommend for those not faint of heart.Still waiting for the free tix to the mini-gigs.
I will make up my mind about the anticipation issue over the new album tommorrow. Would I rather have it or would I rather be excited knowing it's on the way. As soon as I come to a conclusion I will voice my opinion.
PS if anyone does go to see Magnolia, watch out for the FROGS
/somewhere in the ruins of Santa Fe
midnite: I'd love an SD skin! Tell me how to acquire one. You've got one talented woman there!We who must wait to hear 2vsN get to experience one thing the "already have its" can't now, namely, ANTICIPATION. It's not unlike seduction.
rb
Cruiser: Oh, I'd definitely take a copy of 2vN if offered to me.Chat now, join me.
#6 in my list of things to do before tour:
Fire my therapist and hire Q's therapist.
#5
Write up and FTP the long-promised personality profiles on Donald and Walter. Just think...what would Walter be doing if not a musician.
Yah? I heard it was a wind chill of 40 below in Fargo today.
maj©
hey 12:00 a.m. casual driver - someone else said you sounded like Dave Lennox - a missnamed Euryth Ac guy. I haven't heard TM yet but JWM has graciously added me in, now if he'd only send me his snail mail so I can retailate with some fun Rundgren vid I've already taped for him, J.W. ???hey Bab sis amy - I'll be in Houston on biz tommorrow, New Brunsfel has a nice series of ramped faults running through it, a geo's eye candy.
Q - hey the english teacher in me has to warm you
watch carefully your use of prose ackI love the old Bob Welch era Fleetwood Mac - eclipsed Peter Green and later brilliant Lindsay B. Emerald eys has been playig through my head and optical neural transmitters all day long
yes I'd love to tour the southland....
mc - i agree, we've waited 20 years whats a few more months. there is no dought in my mind that i will be impressed.shake it
amy
Kinky,Clas and I are always at each others throats because we so passionately love the Dan that we just don't know how act.I personally suffer from "internet personality" disorder(IPD)
I'm discussing a cocktail of prozac,xanax,ritalin and fine columbian in daily doses with my psychiatrist.
Q
PS Have "we" decided on the date location of the Danfest
ok send me to Vegas while you guys all go to VA.......
my bad - i am still young and maybe don't understand all of the interpretations yet. maybe it will come with age but, then again that is why you guys are here also.
Winamp Fans....if you'd like a Winamp Skin with a Steely Dan theme then let me know. My wife makes has made a few Winamp skins that turned out quite well. I'm using one now of my PRS that she ran through Photoshop and then made the skin.tomwormdude....so I sound like a cross between Eurythmics and a furnace?
AN IMPORTANT NOTE!....I'm happy for all of you who've gotten advance copies of TvN but I don't think I'd take one even if it was offered. Think about it....one of the best things about anything new we get to experience in life is the fact that we get to share it with others. It's true that those few of you will get to hear some of what I think will be great music before anyone else but what the rest of us get is the joy and excitement of getting to share the new music as a group experience. A big part of what makes anything new so special is the group experience. Most of us will hear it within a couple of day span and we'll all share in that and those of you who've already heard it will miss something. Sure, you've already heard it and you can listen to it again as we do but you won't be feeling what each of us feel as we let the music wash over us for the first time. I, for one, am happy to wait and looking forward to sharing Two Against Nature with my friends both here on the guestbook and in everyday life.
But that's just my opinion and you know what they say. "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one."C-ya,
MC
Roy ~ Yeah, I hear the imperfection you're talking about in the "whistle" figure; sounds like a slight nudge to the pitchbend wheel. If it were any other artist, I'd say they were reaching for the mod wheel and accidently nudged the pitchbend...but knowing the perfectionism of the artists in question, I'd venture to say the pitchbend was purposely added to complete the illusion of a real "imperfect" whistler. But listen to how the modulation gets progressively stronger at the end of each whistle-phrase ~ even the Earle Hagen, composer/whistler of "The Andy Griffith Show" theme-song ("The Fishing Hole") would be hard-pressed to get THAT perfect of a progressive vibrato. Of course, I'm probably totally out-to-lunch ~ watch it turn out to be a guest appearance by Earle Hagen II! Indeed, it is a nice touch to the bridge ~ I wonder if D&W were in fact going for the Earle Hagen Effect...JDubs ~ The Don Knotts of the New Millennium
hey bab sis amy - funny storylook out but I'm bon appetite also, oops blew my cover
as for girls (especially good ones ;-]) wanting it all, I think you better look into the lyrics of that one a little closer. The girls are on the job and the guys are the ones paying for "serve vices rendered"
hadn't seen oleanders page analysis on this, but look there for great interpretation discussions on song meanings ....
the western world song sounds an awful lot like a house of prostitution to me (rap with your cane)(even the elders guys can cash in here at a price)
rosie will give you the silver key to open the red door
lay down your jackson and you will see the sweetness you've been striving/trying for.the protagonistic male character in the song can't get laid and has to pay for what he's dying to aquire naturally on the outside
and the song sounds so sweet on the surface
we have your skinny girls...............
drmu - here in the hinterland we like to hog all the heat. we enjoy sweating our asses off all year round. next year we're hoping it gets cold at least one day.
miz ducky - thank you for clearing that up. the only version of fm i have is on the box set. i am amazed i even noticed that. you are very informative, i will direct all my questions to you.bon appetite - here at the western world girls want it all!!!
audio worm snob - there is a little german city here in texas (for those of you who don't know) called new braunfuls. they hold a big festival once a year called wurstfest, where they serve sausage and beer. steely dan always acompanies us on this trip. their also there the next morning while we are throwing up. anyway, one year when we attended unfortunately my aunt sara(rip) had to much to drink, lost us and her glasses. she walked up to everyone in the joint and got right in their faces to see if it was us. we didn't see her again until we were all on the bus where she muttered in her stooper "iv'e seen everyone in this place... twice." just a mild, little story for you. more later
QFor your info, i was a GB citizen when your daddy was lubricating your mama in the back of a pickup truck.
You stupid red neck.
Where the fuck are you Clas ........ Clas, save me from this white trash!!!!
Gauchex
hey I always need a good excuse to drive the trans... oops "blue ridge highway". seriously considering the east coast dan vention. If anyone lives in general vacinity of New Orleans or can meet me there (coming from Houston etc.)or I can pickup along the way I will gladly drive and supply plenty of ear candy and some fun company (no gas money needed (my company just gave me a $1000 big year bonus gas card - which should last for more than a few nice getaway trips)).I would like to swing up through either Atlanta/G Smokey Mt NP or Chattanoga/GSM NP - slight diversions but well worth it, I could split with anybody interested in sharing a hotel room to cut down on the costs as well. Cousin Dupree - the offer isn't for you and your incestual buddies.
so what was the N.Orleans Dan Fest like? Damn, next time you have it here I'll line up a great band that can pull Dan off and open up my 3 bedroom house to as many crashers as are interested.
tonight when I ride the dragon,
the aura will turn to emerald eyes
and the silver ....
I'm not a big smooth jazz fan, but I'll happily saturate my tympanic membranes with the stuff for one chance at catching "What A Shame About Me"! Great list, D&W.Miz Ducky-there are still two tickets left! Get your lyrics to the ODP-how could they not reward such creative genius?
What's a Grey Goose? I must be a virgin as well. (And lust when I thought it was long gone, too).
Welcome back, Altamira!
I just saw my mistake typing "l" instead of "j", but I kinda like it. Freudian maybe, or perhaps I'm ovulating. You know how we women get during THAT time-pheromones everywhere.
The Steely Damned may be playing next week-anyone want me to get a message to Peg or Bob?
aja
Reload, kids. "Ticket drawing continues"
OMIO: Thanx....we had enourmous grins on our faces when Scott tuned up and played that session. Re: Radio: do you have anyone in mind? E-mail me.....I'm just an unsigned thang....
ygk
The new Walter item is on the TOP of the new front end to the ODP.Furry Dan
I went to ODP...What am I missing? Besides a new letter to Fruin, what else is there?
There's still hope! see the ODP
Q - no we've never had the pleasure, although I think you are fascinating. I don't know what you are talking about in this case. Can you be more specific?In general, however, No one leads a more a disorderly life than me.
jk
Looks like Walter's at it again! Check out the ODP.
Alt: WJZW has Tommy Grooms doing late nights, right? I think Damien is on a station in Baltimore.. Both are well worth listening to..YGK: You could probably get Wonderground some airtime, 'cause DJs just LOVE songs about radio... Especially when they're Good..
Try silicon grease on all your connectors & pots.. You'll never have to worry about crud building up (should we order some for the GB?..)
Speaking of pot, here's to Whitney Houston.. Who now joins the list of Famous Criminals Runnin' From The Hounds In The Moonlight.. Barbara Steisand smoked a joint onstage in a 1972 Concert for McGovern and asked "It's Still Illegal?!" (Insert proper NYC accent..)
"Careful What You Carry.. The Man (tells Lies).. You Are Still An Outlaw In Their Eyes.."
Cuzzin Duplice - has one changed thy identity? - I detect the el-supremo here. Why wear the pants in the studio, it's much funner with them offstranger - the quick and the short - I'm swamped and we can diverse friday (bergeon@shellus.com) The tuner problem may be as simple as the connector pots associated with the knobs on the front end of the machine, they can be taken off and the area sprayed and that may be all of it, really) great bookshelf speakers- with the advent of great subwoofer systems you can now go small on the mid and high and do great on the low end (which can be placed out of the way almost anywhere because the lower frequencies are approximately unidirectional) Velodyne is one of the best subwoofer setups, paridign is good too (check e-bay for a real steal price wise). Bookshelf - two that come to mind are B&W and ADS - both very competitive at their price points and use technology of their most expensive flagship systems that none of us can afford (B&W Nautilus system $10,000 A PAIR, or B&W 801 ($7000 pair) used in most major mixing studios)
I may offend a few here, but stay away from surround sound unless you are so into movies with the encodings. Most classical and jazz is recorded via two point source microphones and real stereo image is only rightly obtained with two definitive imaging speakers up front. The real channels can add depth, but in essence (except in a theatre surround recorded event) you are just smearing an image that was really totally focused on better discrete stereo speakers. I can play Jurrassic Park at home and you'd swear dinosaurs were coming in from the hall, not to concerned that they don't swim around in 3D from behind ones head
With loudspeakers don't take my words or anyone elses - bring along music you are very comfortable (and a good variety) with which is sonically superior and especially acoustic instruments. You'll know if you do enough listenig when you have truly found that grat set of speakers, don't jump at the fist thing that impresses you)
The Dan works good in that the pianos and sax stuff either sounds totally real or is masked by the non neutrality of the non ideal speaker. Listen at a high end shop decide what you want and you can save a bundle buying just slightly used equipment by seeing what's out there for a few weeks on e-bay.
no static at all
Looks like some Gaucho is jealous
and wants Clas' ass in the worst way.
Have a good life boys.---------------------------------------------------------------
Gaucho Pinganegra
gaucho@recho
Location: La Paz, Bolivia
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 19100 at 13:42:46
Comments:Dear Clas,
Do not let the stupid fuck Q bother your ass. Let me do that.
Chere: Anyone who quits their job to go to a Steely Dan concert has my unconditional vicarious participation. Even if the venture turned into a Kerouac chapter.Groucho Gringoeater: I think you're looking for selfgratification.manual.com , this site is more for the three digit IQ sector of society.
JWMalibu: There's a human-like flaw in the whistling part of my copy of Cousin Dupree. If it's done electronically, do you think they did like a WENDL II and programmed natural sounding inconsistencies into it?
Hugh G. Rection: I showed your post to Marcellus. He thinks you're cute and wants to meet you. Wear something pretty.
RS
Topsoilian Man: Well, we can tell who wears the pants in this studio!Ducky: The missing intro. to Rikki was just a cry for help.
Pinganegra: So, I take it you're a numbers guy, eh?
Stranger: The key is a receiver / amp built before 1980 with at least 75 watts per channel. Pioneer is ok but harmon / kardon is better. Make sure the multi-plex works. Then buy a sub-woofer. I prefer passive but then again I'm running 200 watts rms. Mine is a Cerwin / Vega I bought for $75.00 as a close-out item. Now all you need are a couple of satellites to keep your left and right channels distinct. Don't worry about size, brand or even cost for that matter. KLH makes suitable satellite speakers with swiveling tweeters for less than $80 a pair. Being an audiophile is one thing. Sacrificing less than 6% of what you can hear for 80% less than the cost of a high-end system is pure genius.
Dupreezing,CD
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www.whitepride.netslap a NIGGER!!!!!!!!
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www.whitepride.net
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Stranger:1. Purchase (or obtain by nefarious means) an iMac DV Special Edition with the Harmon-Kardon Speakers
2. Download Final Cut Pro 1.2 from www.apple.com
3. Download Audion MP3 Player and N2MP3 "ripper" from www.panic.com
4. Your digital audio and video worries are over
5. I'll come for a visit as purchasing has been sitting on their posteriors for 2.5 months
Altamira: That great, huh!? - I'll query your felines. Alas, the Waco cool jazz station is being drowned out by the Houston oldies carrier tsunami wave - and they have not answered my e-mail yet anyway.
...speaking of Houston: BabyS, send those streams up this way. QuickTime 4 is loaded at home and ready for a test drive...
Q: I just had my first Grey Goose on Sat nite. Hot damn, it was superb! Had it with Raspberry liquor, though. Does that make me a baby?stranger & geena: sometimes the machines win. get used to it. persevere. use a sledge hammer if necessary.
rb
Hey, Altamira! Welcome back!
Geena,
Looks like if we combined our computer knowledge we might have half a simpleton. I also loaded MP3 and it worked like a dead sheepdog.Audio Worm Snob,
My Yamaha tuner's starting to die. Makes screeching noises when I change the volume. Only about 3 years old and I've already had it vacuumed. How much do I have to pay to get something decent and what's the brand? Do all bookshelf speakers suck? Got these JBl bookshelves couple years ago, top of line as I recall. Thought my wife would kill me if I brought big monstrosities into the livingroom. Then found out she didn't care. Recommendations on speakers?Ballah,
Can I hire you to soup up my computer and wash my car? But you have to tape your mouth shut.
JW Malibu - Thanks, it's good to be back; I've just been busy with lots of other things lately. Once again, thanks for all your work on the GB compilation; I listen to it often, what a joy and delight.I visited the Dan site today and noticed that the chair on the left on the artwork for Cousin Dupree is nearly identical to my pair of 19th-century kitchen chairs, one of which I am sitting on right now, except on my chairs, the top bar on the back of the chair is a wide piece of wood with a design pressed into it rather than a plain rail. I'm pleased that our guys and I have similar taste in furniture, and I will appreciate my chairs even more now that SD has shown an interest in the style.
WOOHOO!!! I checked out the SD website today to find radio stations that were playing music from 2vN, and found out that one was WJZW right here in town. I've been listening to it all evening in place of the classical station I ususally listen to, and I was finally rewarded - as I was about to go to bed, I heard Donald's sweet voice singing What a Shame About Me, and I reacted so positively I scared the cats, but it is a real thrill to hear a new SD song on the radio for the first time in 20 years. The announcer mentioned that she was thrilled too to be playing the Washington debut of the first new SD recording in 20 years, and remarked about how she had enjoyed hearing Aja back when she was in high school (I guess we're about the same age). Anyway, what a wonderful way to end an evening. I'll have to seek out their web site and thank them.
french girls they want cartier
italian girls want cars....
so why are Q and Kinky and Clas always at each other's throatsthey say large carnivores like Grizzly bears will only congregate together in peace when the food supply (salmon) is in mighty supply
is not the current dan offerings sufficient?
life is very short and there's no time
for fussing and fighting my friend
yes.it's "Ole"and yes it's "kinky"
Damn that Grey Goose with jalepeno stuffed olives hits the spot !!!
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OLe- ink is Chris - you've got it - he's earned the title.Yo, Bolivian fuck...go back to your hole - you're ignorant - and that is intolerable on the Steely Dan GB.
JK, I don't know you , but is all in order ??????
PS I'm gonna hit the intellectusl crowd with some new Dan thet will twist their Ivy League sox in a knot with the new one - will report back later
Dateline: Cambridge,MAQ
PPS Why do you think Uma and I hang out together so much...........oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh,aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love subtle beauty............Aja........................
Well, I thought some of the more erudite SDers woulda jumped to these questions by now, but I guess I'll go ahead and take a whack at the circular saw ...Paul Christie: the problem with the missing intro to "Rikki" in the Citizen Dan box set seems to have been an error that was eventually fixed. The copy of the box set I bought this past October has "Rikki" intact, complete with intro. I seem to recall one of our SD fan websiters writing a letter to MCA asking for, and getting a replacement disc with the intro included correctly.
babylon sister: yeah, the version of "FM" on Citizen Dan is different, but I get fuzzy on remembering exactly how this works, because I don't own the other "best of" compilations to compare and contrast. Best I remember, here's how I think it goes: the original soundtrack to the movie "FM" had two versions of the SD song, one with prominent guitar solo and the other with prominent sax solo in its stead. One was a "reprise" (I fergit which). Some of the best-of compilations have one; the Citizen Dan box-set has the other. Clear as mud? But it covers the ground!
Now watch--some of the more erudite folks are gonna come in and tell me I've got some or all of this sideways, sort of. But hey! It's a learning experience.
/Miz Ducky
possessd of a mind like a steel trap --
rusty, dangerous, and illegal in 23 states
Anyone up for a brief Chat? 11:20 est
oleander chick: I need to be your understudy. CW is boss!MzDucky: that was fantastic! Maybe He'll do it!
ygk: have you ever been to Father Fagen Park?
rb
hutch and fez - isn't a virgin in W. Virginia a young girl who fortunately can outrun and expertly dropkick her father and brother? (sorry this really is more tragic than funny)Dr Mu - tipsy tome'? sorry, just stretching out into absurdity
Yes that Dave Lennox high efficiency cool conditioned disc is a winner. Just watch your electric bill shrink when you play it on the stereo
Paul - the "Decade of SD" disc (a nice 1 disc) has the marimba intro to Ricky intact! Not sure about the remaster though. Why not add more cuts to 75 to 79 minutes to intice the converted
we hear your leaving, that's okay...
bab sis amy - tell us more - enthusiasm wins
loved that camero/8 track imagery
Julie needs a little help or another friend to don and distract with the little tops and capris for cuz d ;-]send photos to disturbedd&w@steeld.com
paul Christie - last week I acquired another high end cd player ala e-bay and at a real steal to boot. I have two Cal Audio Labs players - the latest an Icon Mk II and the old one a Cal Labs Aria with tube analog section.
I'll preface by saying I am an audiophile who maximizes sound without totally going overboard in expenses. I get upgraded on alot of superb equipment through connections and doctors "upgrading" to home theatre. I sold high end audio in college - the ultimate college job!
analogy - to savor a $30 unique bottle of wine, won't pay $80 for the creme de la creme and won't settle for a sufficient $8 bottle
The test - (I'll be as concise as possible) started with best interconnects on the superior Icon and placed the remaster in the Aria and Cit box on newer Icon. The preamp an Audio Research Ls 2 MK II and B&W Matrix 2 speakers. Cued up Black Cow and Aja - very very close, just slightly more dynamic range and less noise floor on the Aria (with the remaster). The differences in the players was apparent and this was a very subtle difference. Switched the discs in the players and the better Icon with the remaster won hands down - subtle but definitely there. FOr you techies, the Icon is a 20 bit solid state analog section (maximum low level resolution) and top notch transport , the Aria a 16 bit d/a but a "real smooth" tube analog section.
Put the same discs on my old bedroom Nak cd player with lesser but good accompanying amp and speakers (NAD, DCM Time WIndows) - the discs are very subtlely different on good equipment (the Nak) and clearly the upgrade rules without question on very discerning equipment
Why buy the remasters
The full original cover art, having a full album on one disc in entirety (box is a mess for a single disc player), getting the hilarious 99 D&W liner notes and lyrics and the lovely packaged colored discs is well worth the upgrade.
Buy one remaster of your fav disc and make up your own mind. I caught $9.99 at Circuit City and $11.99 at Tower in New Orleans. I have Katy, Royal and Aja and will get the others. I also had the first real ADD remasters before the Cit box, which are good but slightly inferior to Cit box and sent those to a dear friend.
Sorry to bore you with the details
and if anyone ever wants stereo advice at any price on how to maximize your dollar feel free to jingle my chain
Q--If Kinky is really Christopher Walken you got yourself a deal.Ducklet--Hey, now you're gonna get the damn furniture bills.
question - is fm different on citizen as well or is it just me?
Thanks Topsoilean Tom & Oleander. I will endeavour to audition more of the remasters, in pursuit of the ultimate.Re the missing intro to "Rikki"... I got home last night and put on the version from the Citizen box, and was shocked to find the intro missing from that version as well. I must have been confused - I thought it had the intro, but I was probably thinking of my LP version of Greatest Hits (which I still play).
What is going on? Why would Becker and fagen allow their music to be truncated in this way? Or did they do it themselves?
Paul
That's OK, Chingadero. We hear that "Two Against Nature" is a total dog anyway; filled with half-baked drum-loops and saxophone solos that go nowhere. Oh well, there's always The Backstreet Boys!
merci tom i always love sharing the memories. i have tons more featuring the dan but they involve drugs, alcohol, and best of all sex (the brewings of a fantastic steely dan song). my mom would probobly be upset if i gave donald and walter something to right about. considering it can get x-rated. steely dan is the background music to life. thank you again.amy
Dear Clas,Do not let the stupid fuck Q bother your ass. Let me do that.
I have in my hand a prerelease CD of SDs new work.
1 gaslightting abbie (5:54)
2 what a shame about me (5:15)
3 two against nature (6:18)
4 janie runaway (4:08)
5 almost gothic (4:10)
6 jack of speed (6:19)
7 cousin dupree (5:28)
8 negative girl (5:35)
9 west of hollywood (8:21)Drool mother fucker!!
StAl,I owe you one (big) so if you care for MP3, I shall oblige (only for you though)
Oleander,
Fuck you bitch.
Let see, who else......
Oh well, fuck you all..... I have to go home to listen to this baby. You have to wait till Feb 29.
Clas, you only have to wait till Feb 28 because the international release is one day earlier that tne US release. I think Donald and Walter are trying to tell you gringo mother fuckers something...eh?????
Gaucho Pinganegra Grigoeater
ouch! that hurst! I wennna pewwwwwwwwwwwkck *cough*
Fezo - I lived in West Virginia from the age of six months to age ten. Okay, here goes... You know how to circumcise a guy from West Virginia? Hit his sister in the back of the head with a shovel.
bada boomp chhh!
i must be jaded by years of Dandom Fandom--or maybe it's just the result of the two years I lived in West Virginia--but I don't find "Cousin Dupree" that shocking or disturbing lyrically.Of course, it's not preferred conduct, but like one of our heroes said in the radio interview, "everyone has a cousin . . ."
aja: Glad to be of service. I aim to please.Of course, it's all a brazen overture on my part, to gain attention. (And perhaps even just one pass to one NYC show??!?!)
/the mam'zelle
(hey, I'm not proud!)
Miz Ducky-Oh my God, if the lyrics weren't funny enough, you got me rolling with the double entendres! I swear, if you aren't D&W's favorite poster...And on that note, maybe you should post your lyrics to the newsletter....?
aja
Oh Lord, won't you send me
Two tix to the Dan?
My friends all got passes
I must make amends
Worked hard all my lifetime
No industry friends
So Lord, won't you send me
Two tix to the Dan?Oh Lord, won't you get me
Into one NY show?
The SD Newsletter
Is searching for me now
I haunt my e-mailbox
But so far no-go
Oh Lord, won't you get me
Into one NY show? (Everybody ... !!!)/Mam'zelle Daphne G. Canard
sometimes known as the Pearl of her quarter
oh me oh my oh - hey isn't true genius inspired and convienianced by insest - why leave the family home when it's right there? save the world and screw the family, 2 aviators and one petratic substanceas for woody I see a Cousin Dupree sequel ala kinky, mighty aphrodite it and throw the greek tragedy in for good measure
HOme at Last will play over the final creditsyour au Richards - top 100 notta aja
yes the rock and roll hall of fame has now not only taken over the lake erie skyline, but also the world. You will be forced to listen to Nancy Sinatra raves ups till eternity hits. Update at 11Aja - Lewis all who's driving concerns as amdwty...
when the demon is at your door, in the morning he won't be there no more
Mr. Chow: You are correct, sir. Mike Krzyzewski's Nike contract must have put them over the top! It pays to have the Pope on your side...tipsy tome: Nah, he means Dave Lennox the air conditioning guy.
Pablo: Hurry to alt-music.steelydan where hundreds of people claiming to possess the new one already are whining about the drum mix, the vocal mix, too many sax solos, etc.
I think Cuz was inspired by Jerry Lee Lewis. He was the keyboard man in a rockin' style band and he actually MARRIED his cousin!
OMIO: I loved Mr. Ridgeway (sp?) and even his solo album - Camoflage. Call of the West was a wonderful trip....my only WoV album.
Favorite lyric:
"..... spit out the window of your car and have the wind blow it back in your face...."
nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh NEE nuh....Now why didn't Aja get on any Top 100 Albums of All Time lists?
What are they listening to? who ARE these people? they must all work for the R&RHOF......
ygk
Why does Cousin Dupree sound like it was inspired by Woody Allen
going pervo with his adopted daughter?.. (Creep with a capital K)
Hi newbies.. It's like the WWF, without the genius of Mick Foley,
And Technicolor Motorhome is getting played constantly around here..
Wonderground Radio would segue great with Mexican Radio by Wall of Voodoo.. JayDubs, you are one Steely-Eyed Record Producer!
Mankind For President!
midnite cruiser - Dave Lennox? sure they didn't mean Dave Stewart of Annie Lennox Eurythmics fame?Bernard Perdie - You had me rolling, thanks! So why didn't that black album see the anthology release? Maybe that boot tape was what the loonie was after at George's house. Barbara Bach is a neanderthal, hell Fred Flinstone had his way with her back before Wilma started serving Bronto rib barbeque.
Chere - wow Yessongs on DVD, yet another reason to splurge on a DVD player, naw, wait a year, welcome aboard, I enjoy all french posters ;-]
ballah - but what if your computers analog end wouldn't be found in a $5 transister radio? Sylian, Gentlemen do take polaroids
I'm awaiting the mailbox and an e-bay Fripp and Sylvian vid.babylon sis amy - a warm wormy welcome aboard. The mom and the camero and the 8 track, ah the memories. Great seventies upbringing, glad mom roped you in early
Roy.Scam - love your pretz logic gulliotine time travel analogy, oops wrong timezone! heads up cause aristocracy is right for me
Paul Christie - the upgrades are definitely better but only really discernable on the utmost audiophile equipment - I'll post my own a-b comparison later (too longwinded already)
back to your regularly scheduled topsoilian program
I'm getting a wild hair to fly out to Richmond. Wonder if there are any more of those $99 each way fares...ruby baby-hell, I'm not discouraged! Let's wait and see where the tour goes, THEN we'll decide if it's too costly or not. If the soothsayers are right and Vegas is too small and expensive, we could always do L.A. (nice, big amphitheaters there, as the Billboard announcement said). Anyway, after SD let's us know where they're gonna be, we'll take a poll and see what everyone prefers. But Vegas is my first choice, too!
tom-love TSL! I find myself examining my soul after a few letters, wondering if I'm being true to myself or just being fooled by a really good demon!
BTW, the first two winners have not called in on time on Sets 102. 9:30 PST is the next announcement.
Clas-Sweet thing, ESB is the Empire State Building. I assume you already know "whizzing".
chere-welcome to the GB. I can tell by your creativity that you'll like it here. Just keep a little sass in your back pocket-you'll need it from time to time.
Got "X-treme Music" in the CD now. I recommend this one for your Hank Easton collection!
aja
I apologize.
in the top left hand corner of the player, there is a rectangle. left click and hold it down and a menu will appear. go to options>skins>skin browser. here you select the directory where the skins were downloaded and stored. there is an option to load random skins on play, which is pretty cool.
Although I don't agree with your choice of wording, ballah, I did take your advice. This winamp player IS pretty nice. And the fact that you can put the skins on it is cool. I don't understand how you put them on, though. Can you help, ballah? Please tone down the language, though, junior. Or if anybody else knows how to do it, please help, these skins are awesome! I didn't happen to find a Steely Dan one yet, but I'm steel looking!--GA
ballah- Your post sounds like a script from South Park or Bevis and Butthead.
OH, I forgot. winamp has an EQ on it, so you can tweak it for your Altec Lansings, if you can afford the fuckers. And it has plugins as well. For instance, you can play a song, and watch a spiralling vortex gyrate to the rhythm of Babylon Sisters, or Twisted Sister, or whatever stupid goddam song you want to listen. You guys get the picture. OK, now I'm going to shut up about this stupid winamp player. It really actually sucks, I'm just making the suggestion because I want you all to download it and be utterly disgusted with it.Ciao,
Ballah
Yeah, you can use Real Jukebox, but it sucks cock next to winamp. Trust me, winamp, winamp, winamp. Can I say it enough, get it at http://www.winamp.com. It's only about 4MB, which won't take long at all, that is unless your fucking around with one of those godawful 14.4kbps fossils. Yeah, mp3s are huge files and take a long time to download unless you're on a T1 or T3, or if you have the luxury of running DSL or cable modem. They are, however, close to CD quality, although not quite there yet. This will change in the future, though, undoubtedly. Of Note: Diamond Rio makes an MP3 player in Walkman form and it comes, I believe a mini-component system format as well. This is the future of music, some say. I guess we can only sit back and watch the story unfold. Shit, in another couple of years, we'll probably have silicon chips in our brains, broadcasting the internet into the cerebral cortex. I digress.Ciao,
ballah
Any of you dumfucks who don't know how to run a goddam computer and want to play your stupid fucking mp3s, just follow my advice, OK jackasses? go to http://www.winamp.com You can download Nullsoft 4.50 for free and it's the best goddam mp3 player of the fucking goddam cocksucking fucking shitass internet. You can slap your own skins on it, you know, customize the fucker so it looks however you want it to. They have thousands of skins, which make it appear different from a GUI(that's Graphical User Interface for the non-Mus out there) perspective. Fuck, they probably even have a goddam fucking Steely Dan skin or something, with a picture of the baldass geezers on the front of it, playing a stupid guitar or some shit. I've downloaded a fuckload of Steely Dan tracks from Andy whatshisname's site, I've got the thing fucking bookmarked. Anyway, this thing works like a goddam fucking charm and it kicks all the other jackass mp3 players asses. Trust me, I might seem unintelligent judging from my style of writing, but I'm a goddam genius. This ballah persona is all about a style. I'm testing out a style, you know, like fucking Twain or Clemens or whatever you want to call his dead ass. I'm creating a new style of writing, it's called 'the asshole perspective.' And if you don't like it, then fuck off, jackass asshole dicknut lip jackers. Oh God, I crack myself up, fuck. Anyway, take my advice, imbeciles, and pick up winamp unless you already have it, and if you already have it, then you can take it and shove it up your ass. Ha ha. Just joking, really. I actually like you guys, but truly am testing out a style of writing on your dumfuck asses. What do you think, Oleander? You did well with my John Kennedy Toole and JP Donleavy posts, but you missed my Zoo Station post, I must admit, however, it was quite obscure. Oh well, see you fucks later, and take my goddam advice, jackasses. See your sorry asses in hell. Just kidding, really, don't take me seriously, fuckwads!! Ha, I could do this forever, in a cyclical manner, but it would wane redundance, oh well, see you nutbars later. Love ya all!Ciao,
Ballah
PS: Just some friendly advice: David Sylvian's "Dead Bees on a Cake" is an excellent new album for the adventurous listeners out there. I called it Valium on Disc in the last review I wrote. No need for a prescription, just press the play button and relax.....pure ambience in the Eno sense of things. Renowned Japanese composer Ryuchi Sakamoto cameos, along with Indian sensation Talvin Singh. Very intelligent and poetic music.
so far we've only got rumours and the odd press spin on the new album over here in the frozen Tundra, but lookin' forward to it big time. If you get back to Yoorp this year, Don n' Walt' don't forget Scotland and the great time we had in Glasgow, 96.
PS What the feck do most of these comments and bitchings have to do with SD? or am I being boring in expecting an SD site to feature material with even a tenous link?
If there is one thing I CAN NOT discuss.........it's my film making career - except only if Oleander agrees to play the female lead in my next movie........And of course, Kinky as male lead........
Then we'll talk about the suitcase and the bandaid.Chris Walken rules - any Sicilians here ??????
Q
Clas if anyone has demonstrated over the years that they are at the level of the apes it's you............you really do thrive on blocking things out don't you.You bring on the attacks.....porno on the GB, threats at people, then a verbal jab at me out of nowhere. Typical euro pussy you are.
I'd give you a bananna, but I'm worried what you'd do with it.
Your a poor and consistent loser- remember you initiated the verbal joust.
Q
Dr Mu: I don't think the pc police would permit my proposed answer to your questionRoy: "grim-reaping" as a verb. nice.
Bernard: can I hire you as my ghost poster? you're too frigging funny
Dr Mu - I'll go for the Polish. (I'm assuming there are less of them in the US than the others you mention). After all, if there was only one Pole earning $50,000, surely he/she would top the list?bondi blue - "didn't test well" sounds like "couldn't be bothered trying to change the habits of the loser listeners out there who are hooked on the usual crap cooked up and served as "breakfast".
Q - no I'm not. But sometimes I wish I were. So I could get down to your low level. Get down to the apes, if you understand what I mean.GEENA! You are back! Gosh, I'll never forget that summer!
C
Mu- I think the answer to your trivia question may be the Latinos? Am I right? Just guessing based on something I saw in the news a few moths back. Thanks for the words. Really appreciate it. Got an e mail from SoulMonkey - THAT was too cool too. I just figured out how to make the cd player work through headphones, so as to not to wake "his coolness, my lover and best friend David". I had a rough day today, but guess what? I am having a great fucking time sitting here by the light of a sandlewood candle and the computer. Here in the "almost dark" listening to Pretzel Logic. East St. Louis Toodle-oo (playing TOTAL air piano now) hold up a sec......
Okay everybody GEL.My sig otra (Spanglish for "significant other" you'll get more of this as you read my postings. bad habit) and I went to this great little half pint sized used Cd /vinyl place. Really great imports. I mean really really great. The first time I found it I was cruisin' through the old neighbourhood, feelin' nostalgic, and there it was. I walked in and the brotha was blaring the Beatles Abbey Road. I was hooked like a fish. Speaking of fish, I also bought a DVD of YESSONGS. Very vintage, raw sound, but oh so spine tingling. Seeing those chords played LIVE is like nothing I have seen before. I also replaced the stolen copy of my Can't Buy a Thrill too tonight. Someday my set of the DAN on disc will be as complete as my vinyl/cassette collection was a few years back. Oh yeah and I ALSo found a really cool disc by Allen Ginsburg called "The Lion For Real" with really trippy (especially for the years recorded) music in the back. Just sharing. I swear if had another life I was a beat poet out West (cause Jim says the West is THE BEST) stirring waters and in a car on sunset headed west.To the sea...
The simplest things ARE best folks, in case anyone was wondering. I have a really great and TRUE California story about my sixteenth year of life (I'm 31 now) that "Q" may want to write a screenplay to. I may write the book someday. Is the fact that I left with my ex and a whole pile of cash on a motorcycle to California from Florida enough to whett your appetites? This Babylon Sista shook it!!!!!!!
I never made the Haitian Divorce, but I was Cold... (okay lukewarm) and daring... enough to trade in the ex for a friend instead and the memory. The closest I have gotten to Haiti thus far, is that I seemed to have answered a call to my soul through talking drum. VouDou. The religion is prevalent down here and I cannot express the feeling ,the ritual... the purge, the cleanse, the safety. And of course the drum... the talking drum..... the whir... the hum.... the possession...the dance ... the sweat...the change.
I love ALL the Gods. I'll probably know how to make a Zombie and actually drink it, before I make it to Haiti or ever experience divorce. And I'm not through with Buzz yet.
Are we all so insane to live so vicariously through the Dan?I think not.
After all, it really is all about the "baroqueness of the jam". Right????Gawd Bless the DAN!!!!!!!!!!
And may peace and smiley stuff manifest for all of you- thank you for making me feel so special and connected in this minor world.
Any Major dude will tell you.....
Loves,and hugs,- Ree
Geena - Try this... download RealJukebox to go with RealPlayer. The jukebox is what grabs the MP3 and puts it in a file for you. It downloads it right to the jukebox and stores it there.
Go to www.realplayer.com then look across the top and click on RealJukebox. When you get to that page scroll down a little and click on RealJukebox Basic (it's a free download). There are ads on there for upgraded versions you have to pay for but the Basic is free. The jukebox has some other nice features as well.
Once you've got that going here are two great sites to download and listen to rare tracks and alternate takes -members.home.com/metzger/dan
broberg.pp.se (this one streams the sound clip instantly)If any of y'all haven't heard those Black Cow demos with Donald just playing piano and singing on Andy Metzger's site then do yourself a favor... amazing!
Welcome Chere, Bob, Babylon Sis and all other new folks!
Great site! Looking forward to the new album and hopefully some tour dates near me. Listened to the downloads fo songs off the official site and just love 'em!
Thanks!
"Weekend" Bob Goff
Roy ~ In my humble opinion, the "whistle" on the bridge of "Cuz" is actually one of the new "virtual analog" synthesizers, most likely a Nord Lead ~ http://www.ddrum.com/nordlead.htm. ~ a popular synth among the electronica set. The portamento and vibrato are just too perfect for it not to be...kinda' reminds me of Mark Snow's signature lead program on his scores (& theme) to "The X-Files", which in turn harkens back to Lyle Mays' late '70s Oberheim leads, which in turn harkens back to '50s-Sci Fi theramin warbling, and so forth...BTW, "Reunion Condition" ~ musical ideas are slowly emerging!GirlFred ~ Danke Schoen!
Altamira ~ Welcome back, where 'ya been?
Bernard ~ Didn't we play together in The Blues Image? All that time I thought you were Joe Lala with a tropical tan!
YGK ~ Sure wish I was a right-coaster, so I could get the "non-typical" tour on NYC! Damn, always missing the GOOD stuff...I bet you guys will even conduct physics experiments from the top of the Pan Am Building. Bring a stenographer along to take notes so that the west-coast contingent doesn't miss a beat! I won't be too bummed though - I'll be catching some monster Haleiwa/Maui waves and laying the the sun (with my CD-Walkman, of course) that week. Cowabunga!
Doc & Cuzzin' ~ Glad you're enjoying the TM! "Traffic with a twist..." ~ I like that. Chris Wood was a vastly under-rated wind/reed player, always one of my favs! On "John Barleycorn Must Die" Chris used the Maestro Sound System for Woodwinds, a '60s pre-cursor to the Lyricon & Yamaha WX. You played your wind instrument (flute, sax, etc.) into a mic, and the Meastro tracked much like a vocoder. Primitive, but at that time mind-boggling. It was the size of a breadbox, had multi-colored "organ-like" tabs, and had a special stand for live gigging. Eddie Harris & Ian Underwood also used one (there's a pic of one on Zappa's "Hot Rats" & "Burnt Weeny Sandwich") to great effect. If you listen to "Freedom Rider", you can hear Wood's double-tracked tenor with the Maestro ~ a truly unique, if somewhat dated sound! I had one back in the early '70s ($350.00 - 1972 dollars, no less!) that was stolen out of my college dormroom, was majorly bummed. Heheh ~ got to thinkin' just how nice it would be to find one of these puppies again (for that retro-fi sound) and sure as shit, there's one on eBay! Glad there's not a lot of wind playas' in here - check this thing out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=236605962#BID
Ruby ~ How about The Flying Lizard's Devo-esque version of "Money"...a new wave classic!
chere ~ Welcome!
RS--Now how can you go & do that 2 times in one week? I'll have no furniture left.Alta, Midnite, other DanFest Eastians--looking forward to it. The Planning Committee is working feverishly on details. Any assistance is welcome.
YGK--I'd give my last gold tooth to make it! Unlikely, but greatly to be desired. Has anyone won any tickets? -- that is, who's willing to admit it? PS, it wasn't me who posted below about the morph.
Q--That was really good. Now you have some of 'em guessing. Don't tell them ANYTHING about the bandaid or the briefcase!
Doc--Well, if you started a few days ahead, you & the snowplow could be there right on time.
Paul--I'm the last person to ask about sound quality, but yes, the first part of Rikki was left off of some of the cd's. I think the mistake has been rectified on others.
Edd--Didn't realize that St. Al is a Zen master, didya? It's a koan.
Chere--Mu's right. And some of these conversations have been going on for years. But there's always room for more.
Babylon lil' Sis--amen.
jk--what a good ambassador that Jason is.
Geena,You may simply need an MP3 player, if you don't have one. Go to www.MP3.com or www.tucows.com to pick up an MP3 player for free or through a nominal shareware price. The bad news is the downloading time again. I think the Real Player can be modified to play MP3s, but I don't know how to do this - sorry.
Ok, my PC has been a mess for the longest time and it's still not 100% but I can get a few things working on it. So I downloaded the MP3 link that Hutch gave me. Like you said Hutch, it takes a while. I went downstairs, made myself a cup of tea, washed some dishes and put my daughter to bed and when I got back a half hour later it was still downloading! Now I can't listen to the song, am I doing something wrong? do I need something else to play this? I would appreciate it if someone could help me. Is there a way I can get it from Real Player?Ole: Thanks girlfriend, It's great being home again. I think I've been truly blessed with this layoff. I've had 3 job offers already and one of them I'm seriously considering, but I need to the time off before I go back to work.
hey Stranger!
my mother told me that when i was five years old, i was singing peg. we would drive around in her blue camero listening to steely on the 8 track. i have been a fan ever since. i was born in 1975. so steely dan was making music before i was born. i am such a devoted fan. it was one of the many things my mother instilled in me. i think she started crying when she heard about a possible tour in 93. it was even better back to back. i consider steely the best possible therapy you can get. i am on my second box set because of excessive play on the last one. so this is my steely dan testimonial. i can honestly that the sinister lyrics and funky drumbeats, guitar, and donalds infamous piano playing is one of the joys of being on earth.amy
Chere - Welcome; good to have you here.Oleander - I'm glad the Richmond event is still on; I'll be there as well as in New York.
YGK - I plan to be there; what you propose sounds great.Wormton - Another Lewis fan! I don't like all of what he wrote, but much of it was quite good. He and John F. Kennedy died on the same day - November 22 (St. Cecelia's Day), 1963.
Hey, I've got the original masters for the new one!! I had swim the East River to find the sewer pipe that would take me under River Sound. I *had* to get them to prove I played drums on every track! Man, that reminds me of when I pulled a fast one on Walter in 1977 - put on Noxema and a brown wig and told him I was Steve Gadd!! Anyway, I thought about remixing 2vN (oh, that's so fuckin' cute) to get them a big hit, but I've decided to sell the master on E-bay instead. The bidding starts at $18,500! Q? Big Fan?Hey, when Billy Preston and I hung out at Abbey Road, there were often as many black Beatles as white Beatles in the studio as John, Paul, and George would stagger in and out! They should called in the fuckin' Black Album!...way before Metallica, and Prince, and Spinal Tap...
There is definitely whistling in the bridge of 'Cousin Dupree'. The only other whistling in a Steely Dan song I can remember was 'Aja' and that hardly counts since it was an institutional whistle, not a pucker-and-blow whistle. Anyone else remember any?Doc,Hutch,Q,F,Ole,JW,..: Thanks for chuckling at my foolishness. If I can still make someone spill coffee on their important papers, then I guess it's all worth while. Next project: World peace, unless somebody pisses me off.
Colonel Klink: I should have known I couldn't put anything over on an officer of your intellect. That's why you're the head Schwanstucker. Just don't blame Schultz; he knows nothing.Q: The scene in 'True Romance' between Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper was pure classic filmmaking. If you wrote that, my congratulations. What the hell WAS in that 'Pulp Fiction' briefcase? The New One?
The platform in 'Pretzel Logic' is a guillotine platform. The narrator has made an unfortuitous time-travel landing circa the French Revolution (just missed Napoleon by a hair). Since he's still wearing his clothes from another time period, he not only has to suffer the indignity of decapitation but has to suffer his footwear being dissed.
RS
http://www.vote-smart.org/eggs up, JW. on the way.
Cuzzin' Duplicity....who is Dave Lennox? I put his name in a search engine to see who my song sounded like and didn't come up with anything?oleander....the date works for me, hope it does for everyone else!
Tom: J'aime que vous recherchez " Hey 19 ". J'avais également considéré la nature d'un coeur fondu. Est-ce que cela vous signifie peut être tiré et dirigé dans les sujets de l'amour? Venez visiter la terre froide de ma cave.
As an unofficial guesthost of a New York City Danfest, I would like to announce a weekend of celebration for Two Against Nature, the weekend of March 3-5, 2000....
This is only a few days after the release of our heroes latest, and there is a party developing at Le Bar Bat Saturday March 4. I Fogelized my initiative and have been assured that a group of us will have some special treatment that eve at Le Bar Bat and possibly beyond.....
Also could be arranged during the weekend by yours truly are non-typical 'tours' of New York City specifically tailored for your interest......for a fee only Q would consider paying.....or just might pay himself.....maybe.Anyway, so now, who's down for Danfest 2000 - New York City?!?!?!?
ygk
Hung out with some Industry Types ( I went to school with one of them) and took the opportunity , while toasted, to impress the importance of airplay for SD on the Head Honcho of Sydney's biggest AOR station.
While saying he would give the new one a try , he also said that SD "didn't test well".
minorworld: Yeah, I saw that! It was great - but it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know (except that D&W aren't as pretty as they used to be). I disagree with that - at one time they were mighty scary-lookin'. All in all, it was a very positive article. I'll post it if it doesn't make it on the Bee's web site.Clas: Have you ever heard the Babys doing "Money"? It's the best version ever made. You know - "The best things in life are free/ but you can keep them for the birds & bees/ Money/ that's what I want/ that's/ what I want..." I wanted the choir to do it for the Christmas program as comic relief 'cause the rest of it was so serious. The director didn't go for it. Some of the others loved my idea. They were even going to whip out their shades for it. oh well.
Hutch: Yes - thanks for the Cousin Dupree site. Now even I, out in the middle of cow country, can hear Cousin Dupree. It's totally outta sight! I think it must be too conraversial for this Valley (we're mostly farmers, y'know). Do you really want your lettuce grown by folks digging the down-home family romance thing? Of course, one of my favorite fantasies involves my motor cycle-riding, running from the law cousin Bobby.
DrMu: I think it's either #5 or #2
but Edd knows a lot so I won't be surprised to see it's 12Aja: despite the negative posts about how much Vegas will cost, I'm still willing to do a Danfest over there. Are you still game? No pun intended.
rb
Found my soul in the new one...... love that jazz funk groove
TAN #1 !!Q
hanging in the chat if you care...hey, heard dupree? did ya notice the "ahh....ooh, ooh, ohh" in the outro that Donald grunts out.
yeah, bay-bee.
maj©
So I bought the remastered version of "Countdown to Ecstasy" recently, and I have tried very hard to detect any sonic difference between it and the version on Citizen Steely dan. I can hear no difference. Yet they have been remastered by different folks, presumably with different equipment (??).Do any of the other recent remasters exhibit noticeable improvement over the Citizen box? And is it true that the beginning of Rikki Don't Lose That Number has been lopped off on the new remaster?
I have always thought the Citizen box was a brilliant remastering job - better in some respects than the Mobile Fidelity reissues of Aja and Gaucho. Mobile Fidelity have done fine work, always using original masters - but someone told me that after mobile Fidelity released their gold discs, they found out that they had not been given original masters to work with - does anyone know if this is true?
Yours sonically,
Paul
Q: What's in the suitcase?
I think it really might be you.
Tell us about the bandaid, too.
We love your work.
Monty-Tell Q I'll give him $500.00 for the disc! This should help fund his trip to NYC, which just happens to be the same week as the PBS shows. What a coincidence. Now all he needs is a ticket.
Q must be selling his copy to fund his soul buy back
Two Against Nature is going for $370 on eBay.
This Jason guy from Electric Artists has been plastering this to like to ALL the musical newsgroups. I wonder if he has been contracted by Giant/Warner/Reprise or if he works for Steely Dan or if he is a fan independently trying to spread good will.-k.
hey found this on the alt.music.paulsimonSubject: OT: Steely Dan Promo: MP3s
From: "Jason from Electric Artists" jmadhosingh@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, Jan 12, 2000 6:23 PM
Message-id:
Hello, my name is Jason. I'm visiting sites with readers who might be
interested
in hearing about Steely Dan's first studio album in 20 years: "Two Against
Nature", release date Feb 29th.
I'll be posting with news about the album and the various shows, tapings,
contests, and events happening in Steely Dan Land. Hopefully some of you
here will find this info useful. To make my posts easy to find (or avoid!)
I'll always begin my Subject Line with "OT: Steely Dan Promo".
Today's news: You can now directly download MP3 clips from three new Steely
Dan songs at:
1. "Gaslighting Abbie" -
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/d1bG49/Gaslighting_Abbie.mp3
2. "What A Shame About Me" -
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/wBbyaVn/What_A_Shame_About_Me.mp3
3. "Negative Girl" -
http://www.repriserec.com/steelydan/kC67iL/Negative_Girl.mp3
Visit The Official Steely Dan Website at http://steelydan.com for all the
details, including e-mail links for your questions and feedback.
Best,
Jason
If you have any questions, or just want to talk about music, you can email
me at steelydan@electricartists.com
or email steely.com directly at SDWEB@STEELYDAN.COM
As you can imagine, they have THE MOST up-to-date information and can answer
any questions you might have regarding tour dates, etc.
Hope to hear from you soon!
Subject: TO: Steely Dan Promo: Tickets to PBS & VH-1 taping
From: "madhoman" streetteam@defjam.com
Date: Fri, Jan 14, 2000 5:51 PM
Message-id:
Hi, this is Jason. I'm visiting sites with readers who might be interested
in hearing about Steely Dan's first studio album in 20 years: "Two Against
Nature", release date Feb 29th.
I'll be posting with news about the album and the various shows, tapings,
contests, and events happening in Steely Dan Land. Hopefully some of you
here will find this info useful. To make my posts easy to find (or avoid!)
I'll always begin my Subject Line with "TO: Steely Dan Promo".
Today's news: Sign up now for the Official Steely Dan Newsletter.
All Registered Recipients will be automatically entered to win tickets
to the taping of Steely Dan's PBS Special and VH-1 "Storytellers".
Winners will be selected in the next four days, so if you are not already
registered, sign up now!
Visit The Official Steely Dan Website at http://steelydan.com for all the
details, including e-mail links for your questions and feedback.
Regards,
Jason
12?
Wormtom: FagenBecker produced Apogee and probably wrote the stuff for Gaucho in '79, so 31 and 29 seems about right.Chere: Welcome aboard! Folks here are just OD'd on Dan - we don't have much more of an idea what we're writing than you do reading...
Trivia Question: Which of the following ethnic groups has the highest per capita income in the US? (data - 1990, but it probably hasn't changed). The answer may surprise you.
1. WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants - English descent)
2. African Americans
3. Latinos
4. Irish Americans
5. Japanese Americans
6. Korean Americans
7. Swedish Americans
8. Jewish Americans
9. French Americans
10. German Americans
11. Polish Americans
12. Chinese Americans
hey I scored 2 dan 96 concert tapes on e-bayI lost the auction but picked up the tapes cheaper through the seller directly. When you first don't succeed pull a Royal Scam. What did I land? Detroit and some Virginia show. I have great dubbing equipment if anyone wants to swap around. I almost caught that 96 Detroit show while on vacation. Nose bleed and last minute and too many things going on the vaca swayed that one the wrong way (at least the 3 day getaway canoe trip was exciting and my younger brother saw the show in all it's glory (taught him well))
How old were DOnald and Walt when they penned H19? I want to make sure I'm not within that window. torsion fine thy de ce côté-ci veneze de frenchness
SO Aja hows the Screwtape read? Shadowlands although well done was a total disservice to the genius that is Clive Staples Lewis
The man simple never repeated himself.I feel like I'm trapped on one of those Escherian anti gravity loops and I can't get up (or was that down?), help!
Howdy, All!JWMal: thanks for the disc! That was a damn nice job! Liked your song, too!!! I wish I had the time to add my 2 cents worth to the assorted detailed reviews... overall, the collection was a worthy project! Every song has potential for serious production effort... having said that, some sort of constructive criticism could be discussed for each, too. A few more credits would be nice regarding hardware, software, personnel, how each track was produced initially... I suppose some of this was already discussed here on the GB while I've been absent. I'll contact you soon via email regarding my hardware/keyboard needs.
Ole: Nice try on the date change... I believe I'm on-call for "snow duty" that week... that means I carry a pager so the sheriff's dispatcher can contact me to call out the plows... maybe we'll figure out a way to have a face-to-face in June!
Hutch,
Thanks for the website you gave Geena. It works and I have now heard Cousin Dupree. When I downloaded the stuff on the official website it didn't work. Unfortunately, I failed to obtain a computer science degree at MIT. Anyway, your net gizmo did work.Geena,
Hiya, kid.Hay, I like Cousin Dupree. I want more.
Mr. Chow: I'm afraid the closest thing to a howl you'll get out of me right now would be more like a whine of frustration. Some other lucky stiff won the damfool KMTT contest for tix to the PBS taping. (whimper!!!!!)Sigh. There's still the ODP giveaways. Let the Midnight Special shine its everlovin' light on me. C'mon, Asphalta, how else am I gonna deliver the birthday smooches I promised the Guys?
/Miz Ducky
(hope springing eternal in the avian breast)
Mr. Chow: The DVD player gives you 480 lines of resolution, while VHS give you only 250. DVD should be able to provide 700 soon to be compatible with HDTV (like I can afford THAT)...and the cool thing is you can watch movies especially with HDTV with aspect ratios of 16 x 9, or letter box, in addition to the "square" TV aspects.Miz Ducky: blowing you a kiss from the midlands...
"money,money,money"?? - only because people HERE are so obsessed with it........people who know me know that money is not an issue and you wouldn't even know I had a nickel to my name if you met me. Only here is the fantasy purveyed.Am I related to Pete Fogel???????????????
First let me apologize to Pete for Clas' insult.(I owe you one anyway Pete)
What the hell does Pete have to do with "money,money,money"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Clas are you drinking again.
Quentin
Q - money, money, money.Are I you in some way related to Pete Fogel?
C
Mr./Mrs. "hey everyone", yes, where do you think I got "Q" from- a Bond movie ?PS My last name is Tarantino; ever seen "True Romance" - it's really the best film I ever did(wrote). It has Chris Walken, Brad Pitt, in fact more stars and future stars than any other movie I did. If you haven't seen it - rent it. With the tour coming up, I need the royalties!
QSocial Security Number available upon request.
Work phone (toll free!) (877) 979-4200
Neck size(for noose): 17
aja - yeah, quite frankly, no. I look like an asparagus though. And please honey, what is ESB?"Deacon Blues ala bowie is a hoot"? Why not Bryan Ferry? Or Roy Orbinson?
"Learn to work the saxophone..." Bowie is singing. God help us.
I saw this Bush-president wannabe on TV. (amazing, he's still so young!) He says; -Let this poor little Cuban boy's father come to USA and taste a little freedom.
Excactly my point. They could settle down in Cincinnati or the Mobile Home-towns in north Florida. Freedom, yes!
I'm still working on this StAl-installation. Need a Sombrero and a Joint and a fake Moustache. Anyone?
The workingname is "No Halfbrothers To Einstein No Way".
C
Dr Mu - Thanks for the run down on DVD. It assists in boosting confidence about making the splurge on a player. A VHS cassette looks mighty bulky next to a DVD. I'm going for space.Cuzzin Duplicity - Those birds are there for ambience. Enjoy!
Cher Chere - Welcome!
Miz Ducky - Can we have another howl?
After scrolling and reading only "some" of the postings, I was almost afraid to post. You folks seem to be speaking in codes or to only eachother. I am thrilled to death about the contest gig, and feel blessed that I happened upon this website just in time for the drawing. I fell in love with the Dan at age 10, when I bought AJA for my uncle who is a drummer in the NC region making music. I LOVE STEELY DAN!!!!!! If I am not the lucky winner I hope to at least catch both shows VH1 Storyteller and PBS. I have almost all the albums and know almost all the songs. Some unexpected and unpleasant health issues have left me depleted of energy and with less smiles than I normally have, but I am joyous at this moment to find this website and all the DAN fans in one spot.And should the Dan ever make their way to South florida again, I will be there! I missed the Tampa show- I was living in North Fl at the time, (live in Palm Bch now) and quit my job that day (good riddance) and headed for Tampa and the car died. right there in cow country between two lanes, a few semis and the growing darkness of night with no AAA club, and no cash.Oh yeah later on in the throes of that nightmare it raines hard. Still have the unused tix. I keep them put away- makes me sad. I will be attending the CSNY2K in March here in South Fl. Excited about that. Two of ten or more lifelong dreams of mine are to see CSNY and Steely Dan.I am one for making dreams come true so we shall see. Love and peace to all the fellow Dan fans out there and huge huge admiration to Mr. Becker, Mr Fagan, and any unsung heros I have yet to encounter in the everchanging world that is the heart of "the Dan". I will have to wait and see how things go. it seems that finally I may have "found my home at last" here way down south where it all began with Aja. Peace to you all. Love Reee
Q's name is Quentin!
Cuz Dup doesn't suck - it both sucks and blows at the same time - sad sad sad and I'm a fan.
Just got my hands on the highly sought after Technicolor Motorhome and here's what I hear:Track One: And so it is! Peek-a-boo with the boys. Not half as good as Clas' bonus track but still solid.
Track Two: A unique two-bladed razor introduced in 1977. Ooops! Lots of birds in the trees. Walter turns fitfully.
Track Three: Compression city. Still a bouncy tune that would certainly score at least an 80 on Dick Clarke's "Who wants to eat VitaPro"?
Track Four: Better than the Blowfish and Hootie sold millions!
Track Five: Metheney, Zappa and Steely all rolled into one. Kudos!
Track Six: An odd track that's growing on me. Love the slide and the double bridge. Yes, I need an agent.
Track Seven: God, this kisses my higher ass! Sweet. Fades too soon...
Track Eight: Traffic with a twist. Hairpin curves with a scent of Ambush. A satisfying mystery date.
Track Nine: Love everything but the tape hiss. And yes, "The world got better while I was sleeping."
Track Ten: Rust never sleeps when you're an obsessive stalker. More reason for Neil Young to take a break. Still, I like it.
Track Eleven: The compression works better here. My favorite track on the TM. The morphs from guitar to sax back to guitar are wunderful.
Track Twelve: My second favorite tune on the disk. JW's excellent sense of track placement shines through. Clas, you did well as well.
Track Thirteen: Do I hear a Dave Lennox song here? Suspiciously inspired. Still, a nice effort.
Track Fourteen: The message is good but the voice (and instruments) are flat. Still, for some reason my 5 year old daughter listens to it all the time. Nice ending to a good love story.
Oleander: Well, now that you mention it ...Mmmmmmm ... Harvey ... c'mere and peel me a grape ...
/the Mam'zelle
(who once was Snow White, but drifted)
JUMP TO THE WETSIDE!Mark your calendars now:
DANFEST EAST IV
RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
MARCH 17-19, 2000
THE MAIN EVENT: SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 18Do you want to celebrate the release of 2vN?
Eat, drink, and party like it's 2K?
See who some of these bogus personae really are?
(--well, maybe not.)
Go to a party with perhaps the strangest premise since Fellini Satyricon?Mark your calendars now! Details forthcoming!
Miz Ducky--De nada. Unless maybe you'd rather have Harvey Keitel.
Miz Ducky, you're a peach. Thanks so much for the transcription.
Oleander: Merci beaucoup. I have never before felt so happy about being given the finger./The Mam'zelle
(hey, somebody had to say it)
Hey Ruby (or current occupant): Sun. 16th, The Fresno Bee, Spotlight, Page H4, running a story on the boys from Billboard.(sorry gang, its not the Bee site yet)
mW
This Week's Awards for Meritorious Service Above and Beyond the Call of Dandom:Roy.Scam--You will be receiving numerous bills for ruined computer equipment, furniture, and articles of clothing for your unequalled linguistic abilities.
MizDucky--You will be receiving Holly Hunter's silver finger from "The Piano" for your superlative and faithful transmission of the KMTT broadcast.
Marian the Librarian--You will be receiving the Shortcut of the Year Award for publishing the most excellent Guardian interview for the delectation of Dandom.
Thanx to you all for a very bright dismal Sunday evening.
BTW, if anyone hasn't, go check out Barney Hoskyns' estimable rock history, "Waiting for the Sun." The Dan make a prominent appearance.
Geena--mazel tov on your unemployment! Enjoy every minute of it! --at least while you're getting paid. Write more.
aja--another hip bike shop! Hmm--is there a survey in this?
Mu--thanx for the DVD info. I was worried there that I'd be using my cd's for coasters in another few years.
This is odd.Of all the people responding to the question "Would you respond to polls on the guestbook?", 9% said "no" when their answer is obviously "yes"...
I've got my eye on you, RoyScam! You will not get away with this!
Schultz! Search the barracks for that groupenfurer Fagenbecker! I want to impress General Burkhalter...
I saw this article in this morning's Washington Post. I guess the "Cousin Dupree" theme isn't limited to West Virginia. Here's the first paragraph:RIYADH, Saudi Arabia—In the centuries that this country's tribes have scratched a life from the Arabian Peninsula, the rule of thumb for choosing a marriage partner has been simple: Keep it in the family, a cousin if possible, or at least a tribal kin who could help conserve resources and contribute to the clan's support and defense.
The whole article is up at: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/16/253l-011600-idx.html
-Andy
RoyS: intended to perform a quick lurk after receiving SD e-newsletter. i just ruined a bunch of stuff on my desk [coffee spraying out of parts o' mine]. you bet your schwanstucker.
we should get you over to the UN for further interpretations... whirled peas might be just around the corner. the e-letter doesn't mention merit awards but that should have earned you some free tix from W&D.also, thank you MzD/C for transcipt. god bless your fingers
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STEELY DAN TAPES TWO FOR TV - WIN TIXDonald, Walter, and their intrepid band of crack musical dolls will be
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SD OUT OF U.S. NOW!Tickets to New York tapings. Seats at U.S. tourdates. Preorders with U.S.
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WEBSITE CLEANUPWe've been doing some housekeeping around the sprawling manse known as the
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This: you win the prize! jerk - I purposely wrote the wrong lyrics just to see what worm would crawl out of the woodwork - and it was you - it should have been "Possibly You, Janie Runway" Per the request I got subsequently from the official Steely Dan Newsletter, I'll refrain from posting any additional lyrics.Please don't blame Q - more copies are out there than you think - there's one on ebay right now, one was on ebay last week, two sold on Yahoo three weeks ago - so keep your eyes open.
"This" why are you complaining you obviously have one also - and not from Q either I take it - where did you get yours? Maybe we have the same source? After all of the flack over the Classic Albums "Aja" copy from Norway, I thought you of all people would be pleased.
As an example, I had to go to our local YMCA at 6:00 PM tonight to get a copy of the Cousin Dupree single - life is often stranger than fiction. The single (full version and edit) is a different mix than the full CD I have.
Q: -11F this morning when I got up. I watched my first NFL game this season -Washington at Tampa Bay after I picked up the CD. Went to the local watering hole. The weather looked great in TB. How much extra does it cost to sit in that boat thing? I believe PSU played the last football game ever in the old Sombrero against Kentucky - this is the new one isn't it?
Thanks Miz Ducky for the hard work!
Transcript: John Fisher interviews Walter and Donald on KMTT-FM, Seattle, Friday, January 14, 2000, 8:40am PST(JF = John Fisher; WB = Walter Becker, DF = Donald Fagen)
JF: Good morning, Walter Becker, from Steely Dan. Hello?
WB: Hey there, John, happy birthday!
JF: No, no, no, no, no, Walter--(laughing)
WB: Happy birthday, how old are you now?
JF: I think that was June of 1998, but that's okay, that's alright.
WB: That was your last birthday? How is that possible?
JF: I'm doing them every two years now, just ...
WB: Well, that's a good idea, maybe I should do that too.
JF: Space 'em out.
WB: Yeah, that'll work for me too, wouldn't it?
JF: Sure! Uh ... welcome to "The Mountain," and needless to say, everybody's really excited that there's a new Steely Dan album on the horizon on the 29th of February, "Two Against Nature" ...
WB: That's great.
JF: And, uh, we in fact are sending a couple of listeners to New York City in a couple of weeks, and I'm gonna go too to see you guys play at a, a small venue there for--it's for PBS, I guess, right?
WB: Yeah, it's a PBS taping at the, ah, Sony Studios here.
JF: Ah, great!
WB: In fact, we're rehearsing now at 52nd Street. The Sony Studios is on 54th Street, and we're thinking of calling this leg of our tour the "Walking Distance Tour."
JF: (laughs) Anytime you can walk to the gig, that's a good deal.
WB: Yeah.
JF: Well, everything we read about why Steely Dan has finally put out another new CD after nearly twenty years indicates that one of the main reasons is that, after really not liking touring very much in the early seventies, you had such a great time doing it in the nineties that you felt, geez, we better get some new material out here to play for the people ... well, that seems like a good reason to do a CD. Is that really basically why you did it?
WB: Yeah, that was certainly, a lot of our motivation was just the idea that we were enjoying performing and there's something about the notion that if you're performing live for people you want to be performing recent material.
JF: Um-hmm.
WB: I think, in general, songwriters are kinda the most excited about the last song they've written or the song they're working on now, and we just wanted to be in a position where we would be playing new songs for people that they might have already heard on a record, since it's hard to present songs in a concert that people haven't heard before.
JF: Right, because that's when they always sit down.
WB: That's when they sit down, yes, so this way, we'd be able to play new songs and have them standing up too. That was our thought.
JF: (laugh) Okay. What was it about touring back in the seventies that made it so unpleasant for you? Was it just the technical part of it, or, I mean--?
WB: Well, it was, really, in every way, it was sort of disorganized, and uneven, and the performances were much better some nights than other nights, because we were a bunch of kids, and there were various reasons why some nights we would be more likely to find the righ fret (JF laughs) ... and so on ... we were opening shows for people who, whose sound companies didn't give a damn what we sounded like, we were driving around in rented cars, and it was just a mess.
JF: So--conditions improved considerably in the 1990s and--
WB: Yeah, they certainly have. And the actual, it's a great, uh, it's a wonderful thing to be able to do, to play with a really good band, that sounds good, in a nice venue.
JF: Um, we're talking to Walter Becker from Steely Dan on "The Mountain," and ... when we saw you go out in, I guess '93 was the first real big tour -- and actually, I saw you guys do the New York Rock 'n' Soul Revue too, and I got the idea--well, for me, anyway, it was almost like some kind of distorted sense of reality, because we were seeing and hearing something we literally never thought we'd see in our lifetime, (Walter laughs) which was you guys on a stage playing those songs. Now did you feel that way too? I mean, did you ever think you'd be playing songs from Aja or Gaucho at the Gorge in the middle of the desert in Washington?
WB: Uh, no, um, I didn't know that there was, such a possibility even existed as the Gorge stage there, in that incredible setting. No, it was, I think, every bit as strange and miraculous for us as it may have seemed to the audience, to people in the audience.
JF: Yeah. Well so--
WB: And it's like, ah, it's a very fortunate thing to be able to do something like that, t