SIS Archives -- July 2001

Name: LA Mini Danfest


Date: Tuesday, July 31, 19101 at 23:35:54
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Those of you in the L.A. and Irvine area, be sure to check out the web page for the Saturday, August 11 Mini-Danfest . The URL is:

http://dandom.com/danfests/la

Babes dragged me to Madonna tonight, her (Madonnas's)last night in New York City, Madison Square Garden. Fourth row centre from the stage. I was largely sceptical, but, being that it was Babes, I had no choise:....wowowowowowow....Ms. Madonna lit it on fire. Sexy and sultry, her voice was intense and the backdrop, compleat with dancers, screens, Japanese Kabuki plus and Caribbean Island mystique...delightful.
Super talented and has NEVER looked bettre...bulging biceps and energy galore. And her percussive slaves were right on.

Aus

Chely Wright and her New Video

"big boys don't cwy..er cry"

dano: andall this time I thought is was "big goys don't cwy..er cry"

Hitler and Mengele
Lenin and Stalin
Mao and tao
Vance and Sweet
OJ and Stiletto
Billy Joel and Stiletto
Monstro and Gipetto
Andrew Lloyd Weber and Cats
cats and cats
N'Sync and Backstreet Boys
Kiss and Twisted Sis
Ebert and Ebert
I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up
Bob Dole and Viagra
Sting and Yoga
John Belushi and Toga

Roger & Dave

Zeke- That would be the Electric Sitar/Guitar made by Coral. I had one of their catalogs from the late 60's at one time. It was actually an Electric Solid Body Guitar with a set of 10 "Drone" strings on the body ,mounted above the main 6 strings. Very Cool light Blue colored Moire Pattern Finish with a Clear Pick Guard.(How does he remember this shit?)
Dano- Trying my best to be available. Toughest part is the 3 hour drive to MouseLando just for a Brew. The company will be great though.I may bring a Pal for the ride...not sure yet.
Duncan - Hello to you too. Hope to catch you in Chat some night.
Big Shout out to everyone else!

IGTY = IGTN

I agree with t-ster on the IGTY solo sections.

I'm agast at all the blatant stomping on the 3 dot rule today... . Now *there's* old gb dirt. We are rebels and we'll never be any good...

lp - dug the Lauren Becall item. The "sunglasses" section get a little bigger... Um btw, sounds to me like like Larry Carlton plays the solo on the "Broadway duchess..." part, and Walt's doing the outro solo. So you and Hubby were both right, to my ears.

danooooooooo - "Dreadlock Holiday"? A friend of mine saw news footage of George bruskly pushing back a paparazzi the other day. I took that as a good indication he still has his strenth, still has those paparazzi shoving muscles from back in the Beatles days...

Today the man with the vise around my head took the day off. Yesterday he wasn't so kind, but I took the opportunity to dub a vhs of Marley in Germany in 1980 that a friend had so awesomely laid on me. After an incredible set, the house lights come on, and the sound engineer cranks Katy Lied. Good choice I thought. The Wailers returned for a third encore about halfway through "Bad Sneakers"...

Lone Ranger & Tonto
Kate & Cindy
John & Yoko
Doe & Cervenka

we got the little mazda mx6 today and it's a nice little car....a little more comfy to drive on trips than my miata anyway.

dano....thanks for the kind words....hope you feel the same way if we ever get the chance to meet in person....you seem like quite the decent fellow yourself!

a near Steely miss today at Bojangles....heard Michael McDonald singing "I Keep Forgettin'" while we were eating....still waiting on the release of MM's live video on DVD....it's on order.

btw, if there are any (other) laser disc fans out there, DVD Planet is selling out all their stock....I ordered 15 movies/concerts on LD this morning for $46. That included one Todd Rundgren and three of Todd w/Utopia. Most are only $1.99 Get 'em while they're still there....I know it's a dying format but I've got a ton of laser discs and a good player....one nice thing about them is NO COPY GUARD! you can make excellent copies to VHS with no loss in signal quality, unlike the copy guard scheme that DVD's have on them.

the URL is www.dvdplanet.com if you're interested.

back to work in the morning for 12 hour shifts on Wednesday & Thursday and then a nice, long weekend....y'all have a good couple of days!

MC

outta heya! Have a good evening, ramones roock!

Chat- gettin jiggy wid id.....what IS that?

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zzzzz.....huh? did somebody post anything?

I was pleased to see a posting where someone mentioned the late great Eric Gale... He was someone that I always thought should have been utilized by Becker and Fagen, even if one bases that suggestion solely on Gale's staggering work on Paul Simon's "One-Trick Pony" (1980). He's really one of my all time favorite guitarists (I'm a professional musician myself), though I always felt his best work was as a session player.

Becker too, I might add, is an all time favorite (as well as a central influence), and I heartily disagree that his playing on "Two Against Nature" was anything less than perfect. Exciting solos on "West of Hollywood," "Cousin Dupree" and especially the title track. I also liked the "less is more" approach to the solo on "Gaslighting Abbie." Since there's so much going on in that song, it was very smart not to have some careening and involved guitar solo flying over all that great stuff going on underneath. Now if only "Jack of Speed" had not been as considerably altered from the live shows on the '96 tour, we could have seen the first Becker VOCAL on a Steely Dan record... Ah well. I should also add that they could have taken Wayne Krantz' solo from the "Live In Manassas" booteg note for note and I would have been even more pleased. Nevertheless, Steely Dan still made what for me is the best record of the last six years or so (at least the best since Becker's)...

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

RICKIE LEE JONES: Joe can be heard on Ricki Lee Jones' new album of covers and Standards, IT'S LIKE THIS. Joe contributed some vocals, piano, and string arranging.

I was just saying the other day "hoops said it, I believe it, that settles it"

Lennon & McCartney
Lieber & Stoller
Ben & Jerry
Siegfried & Roy...

Blaise all the papparazi have latched on bigtime on Georgy Boy , But I think he is quite ill and is suffering a bit, but he says he will pull through? Lets hope so every time he is on telly he always sounds like a nice guy a bit like our own Midnite even though I"ve never met the Cruiser he always seems a top geeezer.

Elle , If you get a chance get the video of Billy C doing his tour of Scotland great insight into our country and he really enjoyed himself doing the video.

Flori , soon be over mate 6/7 weeks or so.

Cyn , Point Given Vs Galileo Have you got the scoop?

IOCC , Superb did cry / rubber bullets / Im not in love all the old stuff and had everyone rockin , but lost some wedge on the horses?

Chere , where you be sweething?

Wheres YGK gone anybody heard?

lp , Shaun Ryder was saying that Ghost Town was a superb song the other night ? also one of my faves?

Godley and Creme
Difford and Tillbrook
Becker and that other geezer
Anyone for Doubles

dead poet's society / it's dead pooh society more like

Is that like the Masonic Temple?

zeke-that would be Denny Dias on the very rare electric sitar.....Dias joined the 'Dan in June of '72 and stayed until 1977, he later played on a live album with bop pianist Hampton Hawes......contrary to Brian Sweet's account Dias was not the first played recruited to be a Steely Dan member (besides Fagen and Becker that is)as stated on p.40 in his book, Sweet even contradicts himself by stating,on p.45, that when 'Dallas' (Steely Dan's first release) was recorded "Dias had yet to arrive in California"....but I digress.....Sweet did a great job detailing the history of 'You Gotta Walk It'.....and he even gave us a few lines about Walter Becker!....and he told us the color of kenny Vances shirt and that David Palmer loved to wear tight jeans....and that Metal leg was to be the title of 'Gaucho" huh!!!.....and he got a detailed interview with a sweet old Jewish lady from Joisey!.....but I digress....the book sucks

I can't stand "radio" these days, but I was lucky to catch Do It Again this morning. Is that a "sitar" and who played it????
It's a killer riff. What the hell was Paul S. thinking at the R&RHOF, trying to be a "high school band leader" when it was Don and Walt's time to shine??? He totally blew that performance for them. Who's idea was it to have Brian May play a solo?

Damn, I'm full of questions today.

Hi Clas. I ran across some pictures of Danfest, New Orleans. Dude, we were ripped!

W1P confirms lineup is: Steely Fan Band, W1P and then Led Zepagain. Should be a good show. :-)

Hoops has a response for LP regarding the "I've Got the News" solo, over on the blue pages. Check it out. He is also questioning the Black Friday solo. Now that I would take exception to. The man says he did it, Hoops. That's good enough for me. :-)

Good day all and may your computers keep working....

That they're digging just for me....

TRUE, a true classic, sorry, dyslexic typing again - lol

A-HA! while surfing cable tv last night, i stumbled upon the movie classic "How to Marry a Millionare" and there is a scene in posh powder room of a ny restaurant where the women are having dinner dates with their millionares with Lauren Bacall applying lipstick and marilyn monroe walks in putting her cat's eyes glasses on (trying to make her unattractive, please...) asking if her date is attractive or not and lauren bacall (a ture class act, if only i....) scolds her saying:

"you know if you kept your CHEATERS on, you'd be able to see your date!"

GLASSES!!!!!! she wasn't wearing no chinos at that restaurant!!!!!

Sad news the death of great radio producer & presenter John walters :(

very nice MC : )

angel -- I did the Laserium thing back in 1976 -- good humour.

Stevee -- thanks for the nice comments! No need to wait for the shameless plug: MINI-DANFEST on August 11, 2001 at Paladino's in Reseda California featuring performances by The Steely Fan Band -- a tribute to You Know Who; Which One's Pink? -- a tribute to who I've said it til I'm blue -- and Led Zepagain -- a tribute to, well you can figure that out. Confirmed attendees include SteeveeDan and W1P (but, since both are associated with bands that are performing on that evening, this should come as no shock). Rumour has it that angel will be attending as well. If you are anywhere near SoCal on the 11th, you really should try to make this evening of Led Steely Floyd (turn up the Zeppelin, the neighbors are listening). All those in favor, say "high"

hey eLLe....I got a new guitar today too! an Ephiphone mini-Les Paul....more or less as a joke or something I could actually fit in the Miata to take and play with but it's a killer little unit! I've been playing it through my Pod 2 tonight and having a blast. For just $69 from Mars Music it's a serious guitar with great sound. You can check it out at:

http://www.marsmusic.com:80/store/product_new.jhtml;$sessionid$4EFGNBYAABFFXQFIACHSFFGAVAAJAIV0?skuid=9252&prodid=10412&catid=340

it says "no case" but mine came with a nice gig bag....I'm just tickled with it!

off to pick up the new (used) car tomorrow....then the DMV, the insurance company, the credit union, etc.

hope to catch y'all then.

MC

Hey Walter, Bob does it on his website:

http://bobdylan.com/performances/

Neat idea.

"Friends come and go; enemies accumulate."

Bet it made your day to take a cheap shot at her. Who's sick?

Hello From Dan Land!
Steely Fan Band hits the road again this week, with a new show and even MORE NEW Steely songs!,

Join us THIS Saturday night, August 4: The Old Town Pub,Pasadena,Ca.(On Fairoaks Blvd. in old town just south off the 210 Freeway) at 9:00pm-tickets at the door $5.00!

Next week you'll be in for a treat! 3 incredible tribute bands will perform on one stage..for 4 hours of classic rock!
Next Saturday Night, August 11..you'll wanna be at Palidinos in Reseda,Ca.SFB will hit the stage at 8:00pm sharp! Then stay for Led Zepagain(Led Zeppelin)at 10:00pm..followed by Which One's Pink(Pink Floyd) at 11:30pm..tickets at the door are $10.00 .. THIS WILL BE A SELL-OUT ,SO GET THERE EARLY FOR THE BEST SEATING!

We look forward to seeing you at the following upcoming shows:
August 18,2001-Hurricanes Bar and Grill, Downtown Huntington Beach,Ca.-9pm
September 2,2001-The Hermosa Beach Fall Festival, Hermosa Beach,Ca.-3pm
September 9,2001-Private Party. Newport Beach,Ca.-3pm
Thanks Again,

Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band

Now you've really insulted me.

Somebody post the address of the blue page, the paranoia here is scaring me!

Clas?

No Gina, it's me (laying low!)

if i chased you out of here, tough luck ... when i have lunch under the trees i go for some tea over to the blue book. sorry (not)!

what's the address for the blue GB? Thanks much.

http://www.yellowjackets.com/discography/disc1.html#yellowjackets
and then scroll down for the album Shades ..

this should make Clas happy .. Bruce Hornsby playing accordeon .. and Donald Fagen wrote Shades ..

It's idiotglossia, or i mean idioglossia.. when you're ignored long enough you start using a language all your own.

Does anyone have a clue what eLLe is talking about? sheeesh

Billy started out as a teenager in a folk group in the 60's with Gerry Rafferty who went on to form Steelers wheel & was once possibly considered for the vocal job in SD ( according to the BS book)

There SD link for today ;-)

Correctamundo years....

yesterday the BEEB( America), on a show called Celebrity Castaways
(no doubt dano and duncan could have seen this months or even years ago)
Billy chose to go to the Arctic. He was brilliant. Out there running around bare-arsed at one point and playin his banjo and singing some improved lyrics to the tune of Bang a Gong..
"it snows all the time.. it's cold every season....get it on..to come up here you better have a bloody good reason..get it on" he is truly one of your national treasures dano! lol

Pats picked a desert island and our girl did marvelously..babbling on just like Pats at times but after only one day of survial training with the Irish Guard..she was "absolutley fabulous"..we definitely picked a great swell dame cyn!
Were you serious about Madonna being on the new six episodes?

Unfortunately there was no SD music in the background..but, hey,
that's life.

(speaking of George Martin saw TOG dancing and grooving to Sir Paul on a story about Paul doing some recording at Abbey Road- a couple years back) go! go! George!

Also saw Chrissie Hynde being interviewed and a run-down of her musical life. Interesting.

( it was a wet weekend here as well.. it wasn't no WOMAD, but I picked up a sweet new midnight blue Strat, so that was compensation for missing Greg Alman band up in Redmund Wa.)

Whoever keeps reprinting them precious Hoops insights here. Please, stop that now, you're embarrassing yourself.

I liked B.Sweets book & found the text a great read with lots of interesting stories & quotes.
But I still prefer to make my own mind up about the music.
Although I love Donald's voice I do have a new found respect for Walter's genius.

Feeling roapy this morning after finishing a great 4-day bender in the sunshine with my mates.
Look out Scotland,
The family & I are heading up your way this weekend to see my parents
Great post's over the weekend LOL this morning again
Good work everybody

Hello to you Floridavid I don’t think we've met yet

3rd wedding anniversary tomorrow (leather) so off out for a lovely meal with Linda

''When Black Friday comes I'll be on that hill''

howdy LP! was that you at a dutch guestbook? i was Googling around and ended up there so i signed it. wow, you paint a vivid picture of where you spent the weekend. it also brings back what i liked in your initial posts last year, haha! you sound so smart LOL

Donald Fagen played synthezizer on the track "Pirates" along with Rob Mounsey and Rickie Lee Jones. Oh, this info should be disected over at Blaise's site, right? The Donald Fagen shrine, does Diane still have a shrine lighting candles for Walter Becker? never tried to find her although cybertrolls running away ... it should be an easy lead to follow back their footsteps, sigh, only kidding ofcourse.

Hey Floridavid, mm, must be real real fahrenheit up the roof down there in Florida ... am enjoying the JBL Pro sound bitties right now as i write ... some D'Angelo Voodoo as rubbed off from the Blue Book thread on his royal badness ...

am currently interested in What musicians play(ed) Where and When on albums now converted into cd's. and kind of Googling my way into a new batch of info. ouch.

there's always loads of energy involved. vibrant moves when people do their music things. even if they're perfectionists like Walter or Donald. just as well they keep their thoughtfulness close to the inspired spontaneous vibes of others who do the musical wave instead of ice it for other times to be.

no time to dwell in these territories now, gosh.
no time to visit the Trees even.
did i play major hooky,

Banyan Tree Hopscotching Bow,
G.

On the way home last night from the beautiful Lake Willoughby (hi nmn) we listened many times over to the re-master of Aja - in the liner notes for I got the News, both Larry Carlton and Walter Becker are noted as solo guitarists: my question is, i only heard the solo guitar of the signature smoky guitar of Larry Carlton and my husband heard the opposite, he said it was Walter - hmmm, so, which one of us is right?

it was a great trip to the NE Kingdom of Vermont, it is truly God's country (St J is looking for a planner, what do ya think nmn?) - made our 2 year old climb a mountain 1.7 miles up (hello, social services on line 2) - she loved the view off the cliff (no fear of heights, scaring us big time) - our 8 year old is a veteran climber so she took the lead - i found out how out of shape i was, wow - i must do this more often if i am to survive our camp trip for a week in bar harbor, maine at the end of august!

friend's newly constructed home in south wheelock is a wright-inspired colonial-like structure that captures the view of the franconia area across the river in new hampshire beautifully - what a treat to have friends in "high" places!

a little sore around the knees from the hike downward, but holding up okay - would love your thoughts on "i got the news"' music, we discussed the lyrics a little while back i remember

happy mondays, no twistin them melons, man!

Doctor Warren Kruger: if you're going to use Sweet's BOOK as a Bible, you're going to miss the TRUTH in many instances... be very careful about assuming that BOOK is the TRUTH...

MC; that 2-track Cousin Dupree promo is nothing compared to the Euro version of the promo -- it had three live tracks from the '93 tour, including the wonderful "overture" that started the concerts that year.

Gina, I'm here and just fine. Glad you're enjoying your Laptop.
Hello to all. D

http://members.home.nl/hans.verlouw/SteelyDanDatabase/index.htm

howdy, here is the rest of what i came up with when i looked for jerome aniton.

Because Fogel posted once or twice on the blue page, Clas was made to feel like he should keep quiet here.
Well there you go. Enjoy.

Whoever keeps reprinting them precious Hoops insights here. Please, stop that now, you're embarrassing yourself.

Hoover wore lingerie, had he been born later on, he would have played tambourines in Prince's backup band.

Monday, July 30, 2001

Mueller Goes Before Senate Committee

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senators considering Robert Mueller's nomination as FBI director want to know how he plans to revive public confidence in the nation's premier law enforcement agency, which has been hit recently by a string of high-profile mishaps.

Pat: Thanks to Pat for stopping by--Not everyone would do that. The welcome wagon is
indeed welcomed.

To others (and Pat is the last person who needs to be told this): If people post things
seemingly to get a rise out of you, remember you don't have to respond. Often it just
gives the previous remarks more energy and you are taking the bait for their kind of
entertainment. Of course, what I really love is when someone comes back with some
good, FUNNY chops of their own. That's the best and the most SD-like.

no time to catch up tonight....just worked 36 hours out of the last 60 hours and i'm beat....will catch up on what's going on tomorrow.

just wanted to ask, has anyone seen a promo copy of Cousin Dupree issued by Giant with two versions of the song on it? The first version just says "edited" and the second version says "album version"....it's got pretty cool artwork on the cover and a glimpse of who I can only guess is the infamous Cousin in front of his rural digs....no face shot though.

I plan to scan the artwork and rip the cd tracks to mp3 in the next couple of days if time permits....just curious if anyone else has this or has seen it anywhere? It's *not* the thing many of us won from Lexicon last year but a Giant promo (Giant Pro-CD-4265).

catch up with all y'all monday or tuesday....it's been a wet few days here but we really needed it.

MC

aa, who was last seen running down the street in girl's underwear and sunglasses...

and "Truth"'s credibility...

They're looking for aa...

Great site! Please stop by and visit my web site and help capture some dangerous fugitives and help find missing children. ICQ#36092453 www.fugitivehunter.org

Walt IN DA HOWSE!

Check out the space *between* the notes! As the solo starts he catches the wave of the rhythm section, and rides that sucker in.

and while I'm at it...

"Haitian Divorce", "Babylon Sisters", the end of "Negative Girl"... Sometimes the Dan are my favorite *reggae* band!

Hungry reggae.

They played the tape of the George Martin interview on a local radio station the other day. He did NOT say, "George knows he's going to die soon." What he said was "George knows everybody has to die someday." It was not only misquoted, but taken wildly out of context.

Yeah Blaise, I saw that last week on Yahoo news, and our local news outlets also reported it on their Sunday afternoon broadcasts. I called a couple of friends, and was so depressed I was to see Jurassic Park III so I wouldn't have to dwell on it the rest of the night (bad news: J3 was only 90 minutes long; good news: it was *much* better than J2). During the evening news there was no mention of George on *any* of our local news broadcasts. No confirmation, no retraction. Then George released a statement denying it Monday.
I hope he's going to be around a while. 7 of the "7 - 10 days" are up already, and that's a good thing, to get Martha Stewart-esque... (sorry)

Tish - Hey! Glad you found us! Hang out a bit and check out the scenary, the mechanized hum of another world. Good way to type off a sake hangover. btw, there's "newbie" test lp dropped here about a week ago if you want some fun...

Steely peeps, meet my friend Tish, long time Dan fan. Tish - my steely friends.

Back to working at lurking, or something like that...

t

This taken from the hitsdailydouble.com rumour mill:

ALL THINGS MUST PASS, BUT THIS SHALL NOT: Ex-Beatle George Harrison is labeling as "unsubstantiated, untrue, insensitive and uncalled for" reports that he expects to die soon from cancer, according to an AP Report (7/23), and asserts that he's "active and feeling very well." U.K. paper The Mail said Harrison had told friend/former producer George Martin that he does not have long to live. "He is taking it easy and hoping that the thing will go away," Martin reportedly told the newspaper. "He has an indomitable spirit but he knows that he is going to die soon and he is accepting that." But Martin's manager now denies that the legendary producer made such a statement. News of Harrison’s supposed deathwatch spread quickly during the weekend, and numerous media outlets like us picked up and reprinted the story with Martin's alleged quotes. Still, rumors persist the "quiet Beatle" has "between seven and 10 days to live," according to those that have spoken to the musician's wife Olivia, who is reportedly already making arrangements for the funeral and inviting people, with the help of George. (7/23p)

Sheesh...

AH

Hmmm... interesting but I hate queues and the idea of waiting in line all the time.
Still...
"Only Napster had that kind of resourceful "base", as far as I know."
Thanks for the thorough piece of info anyway. What newsgroup was that? Respond through email so we don't bore the kind folks in Dandom with any of this, alright?

let me be clear: no, i didn't find your hero on winmx, but it IS an open nap network, so chances are...

i actually did a websearch for "thefez98" on newsgroups and voila! what, you think only frenchies know about google??

But you didn't really have to be THAT specific. Poor guy...

He is there? So am I.
Toodles!

Did you see thefez98 on there? no.
Then I reiterate:
"Only Napster had that kind of resourceful "base", as far as I know."
Neat little parade of country flags and corporate logos, I tell ya, even on a Sunday morning:

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/nitefly/bear2.jpg

B

Jim Froio (thefez98@aol.com)

the new napster:

http://www.winmx.com/

And JOS live IS superior. This fact only hit me when I heard it in soundfile format, btw. Like I wrote before, it's more upbeat and swinging. The new bass line provides a good hook. The guitar playing IS better, kinkier. It's a synthesis of the studio take and the live in Manassas '96 versions in many ways. That's what you have to love about this band, they keep working on things until it's truly satisfying, until it sounds achieved beyond a reasonable doubt. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we hear an updated, considerably modified version of Wetside Story on the Next One but you never really know with these guys...

StevEE - Now what I most like about Bearshare is those neat little graphic on the Hosts tab. While it's trying to find a friendly router and connect to servers, you see a bunch of neat little country flags and corporation logos scroll by until a couple of them let you in. Once you've mastered a couple of tricks to operate the software, it's pretty neat, the user interface is far better than Morpheus, in my opinion. The only thing lacking here is the selection of files, although there is plenty on there to raise a few eyebrows including documents in text or audio-video format. I like to play with that one a whole lot, not to download illegal content per se but really to explore what's out there, network-wise, out of simple curiosity. This is one of the best if you want to figure out how it all works.
Now, as far as live and/or rare soundfiles, this is still far from Napster, very far. In fact, I'd be willing to follow thefez98 wherever he/she pops up. If you see this handle anywhere out there, please, let me know. We have unfinished business to take care of, me and him/her. That person had in his possession absolutely everything you could think of relating to Steely Dan, EVERYTHING. I still don't know who this person was, btw. But I am curious still.
Only Napster had that kind of resourceful "base", as far as I know.

Good Morning (as in 3:40 in the morning) --

Tonight Derek, one of the Steely Fan Band's guitarists and I went to see W1P's Which One's Pink at the House Of Blues on the famous Sunset Strip. Congratulations W1P - you've got a winner! This band is great. They are totally polished, and have a great rapport with the audience. I am humbled and honored to be playing on the same bill with them in 2 weeks. (Shameless plugging to follow in about a week's time ...) If you have an appreciation for the music of Pink Floyd at all, you must see Which One's Pink. Don't walk, Run Like Hell, to one of their shows. Bring Money, and drink a lot of booze to get Comfortably Numb, and be sure to catch their Big Gig In The Sky, etc.

Howard - thank you for viewpoint of my Glamour Profession chart. I also felt that there is a chord missing between the D's and the Ems. I think I will have to "SlowGold" it to unlock this Steely mystery.

Dr. Kruger - I was at the corner newsstand reading (or should I say mentally sightreading) the Guitar Player magazine with the Walter Becker solo from Jack Of Speed in it. I believe that the solo is a transcription is of the 2VN studio version. I do like the quirky nature of Walter's solo on this version, but I definitely prefer the Plush PBS live version much better. It is peppier, and moves along with more soul than on 2VN. Since I can't find a Steely Dan song that I really don't like, I guess that it will be no surprise to you that I like both versions of Jack Of Speed of course ...

Blaise - have you tried either Bearshare or Limewire? I think that they are both part of the gnewtella network of downloading sites. Just curious to know your esteemed views on this.

Shit! I just hit my head on the table !!! (Dimsdale !!) The pillow would be much softer. Think I'll go to b-zzzzzz-humff-zzz!

Steveedazzzzzzznzzzzz ...

Hi Tony.

All three songs fairly low grade, tho JOS is good boilerplate SD. Now WOH, NEGIRL and ALMOST GOTHIC... THESE will live on in compilation history.

angel: I'd agree that JOS and Janie Runaway were not as snappy on Plush, but Gaslighting Abbie relly swung. I've mentioned the outtro on the blue book, but check that out, expecially the horns...

jj: did you feel like Jesus? LOL

Dr. K: Thanks for the kind offer of Deludin, but I think I can muddle through life on my own. Regarding Eric Clapton's Layla. If you don't like the 2nd one, I totally agree with you there.

Just watched part of Neil Diamond Live on A & E. Many, Many years ago, he wrote a song regarding his leaving New York for LA. "I Am, I Said" It has always rang true with me and I think Donald and Walter understood the sentiment, also. LA's fine but it ain't home, New York's home, but it ain't mine no more. A lady from California requested it. I understand totally. The other interesting thing is, he closed the show with a song HE wanted to sing, Cracklin' Rosie. I got a good laugh out of that especially after the comparison to Rose Darling. (My Dan link in the post).

St. Al: If you are lurking. Do send us a report on the Peter Gabriel concert (After you recover, of course). :-)

My friend....

Very perceptive T or t or whatever your name is (imagine, using a single letter as your name).
There are some situations where "playing the blues over it" is
clearly the best choice, and I'm sure if Eric Gale were still alive, he probably would've blew the shit out of JOS, but Becker sounded like he was popping pimples on that solo.
But you'd have to go to the master, Eric Clapton, to realize that it just doesn't work in some situations. His acoustic version of "Layla" frankly turns my stomach.
But OTOH listen to Steve Miller on the Born 2 B Blue CD. He makes it work on jazz standards like "Willow Weep for Me", "When Sunny Gets Blown-I mean Blue" etc... It boils down to taste, which we all know there's no accounting for...
BTW- The first cut on that album- "Hey MaryAnne" is so damn Dannish, it hurts! Shades of "Ruby Baby" on Nitefly , and even WASAM on 2 V N!

Angel - I'm with you about JOS, though I don't really have an opinion relative to the live vsn. But I also really dig the solo on the album vsn.

Doc Kruger - I've brought this up before to null response (cue the crickets) but I get very strong Albert King vibes from most of Walt's soloing on TvsN, especially JOS ("What a Shame..." being another strong example). Interestingly, WOH is a song where I'd say that's definitely not the case. Could it be you don't subscribe to the "play the blues over everything" aesthetic?

golden day here in the Golden State...

t-bag

Being that I have been relegated to just dispensing Puppy Prozac and Deludin, I can see that a strong dose of Deludin would be most effacatious in treatment of your "Jack of Speed" Discrimination Disorder Angel.
My website has detailed instructions on how to get the Deludin to you, and your cash to me.
Capitalistically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.

Dr. Warren K: Regarding Jack of Speed. I have my copy of it from the plush and listened to it before posting this. I agree with you on Walter's solo. That is very good. But all in all, I prefer the entire song on 2VN better then the live performance on the plush. I guess that kills my credibility in this forum.
:-)
Actually, when I originally saw the PBS special, I did not even recognize Jack of Speed as a song from 2VN. (Forgive me, I did not know its history then). What makes it even more embarrassing is, it is my favorite song from the album. I think the reason is the very thing you speak of, the difference in interpretation between the album cut and the live show. Some of that may be because it had been done on tour and they were trying to get away from that in the studio version.

I have got to get my hands on that updated book. Especially since I don't own it. The Library you say... :-)

W1P: I don't know if you ever did the Laserium thing at Griffith Park, especially Dark Side of the Moon. I have always wanted to see that, from all the way back in the mid '80. Never managed to get there. Well, the Observatory is closing at the end of the year for a 2 year renovation and they will not have Laserium anymore after that time. So, my family is planning on a visit up there soon to catch it before it goes.
BTW, hope W1P does well this evening at the House of Blues.

For any who care about this angel's presence in chat tomorrow evening, I won't be there. Maybe later tonight.

Good weekend all....

With the Jack of Speed....

The President of Time is in no way affiliated with the Time Zone Guru (tm), The Universal Order of Time Zone Gurus, or the "tzg" logo or merchandising.

I'm back- false alarm.
Back to JA- SD used to have him ramble on for ten minutes in a Brother Theodore/Prof. Irwin Corey mode (unintetionally, however)making little sense, to introduce the band.
Some may claim a bit of racism here, but they were just dopey kids in their early 20s back then and this apparently passed for "cool" back then.
As for why BP makes these Beatlesque claims, remember that in the BOOK he also wanted co-composition credits for "Home At Last"and add to that that drum machines are relegating him to the same financial status as mine lately, and I think his reasons for making these claims becomes a little more clear.
As for the DB Poll- I thought that they won this back in December?
As for the GP "Jack of Speed" transcription- Is this from the record 2 v N or the Plush party?
WB's solo on Plush was beautiful, not a wasted note, melodic, rhythmically and harmonically hip etc...
But his solo on the record 2 V N sucked. Bad choice of notes, out-of tune bends, rhythmically dead etc...
On reading the BOOK, one can understand the reason why WB played bass and guitar for most of the CD.
This was to be perceived as SD reuniting, and, the best way to make this clear was to give WB a lot to do.
Unfortunately, I think this was a very bad idea. If you compare TB's bass playing on Plush to WB's on 2 V N, you'll know what I mean. They trusted TB so much musically, that they let him choose the entire rhythm section for the tour (according to the BOOK),which by anyone's standards was a great success.
Their previous tours didn't go over as well (again, according to the BOOK)so TB and his recommendations obviously helped a lot.
BTW- WB"s guitar solo on WOH was excellent, so it wasn't a total loss.
Read the BOOK- the BOOK shall set you free.

Since I have become something of a Brian Sweet scholar since the Clone College trial (though I am without the BOOK now, due to the pettiness of my local library- overdue?- 5 cents a day?- that's half a day's pay lately)I feel constrained to say that Jerome Aniton was a constantly drunk African-American fellow that SD used as their MC back in the 1970s touring days.
The inebriated fellow didn't even know DF and WB's names and he used to introduce DF as "Stevie Dan", thinking that was his actual name!
Uh oh- I have an emergency otterhound call coming in, so I'll have to complete this post after i investigate...

just whispered into my ear ... mmmmmmmm ... you used the word MINDLESS DRIVEL ... those words have been used numerous times by the face-and-nameless one(s)!
have we found one of them now have we? bad 1, you are B A D ...
18 months, eh? and you still haven't cleaned our bathroom, not even just once? or is it you leaking against our oldest Banyan Tree ... mmmmmmmmm ...

Btw, G., if I happen to mention greyish area software, it shouldn't be read as an enticement to use it, as if I was some pied piper of file sharing here or something. No no... away from me such label and the intentions it implies. I'm merely exploring, trying to sniff out the path the future modes of music consumption will take.
Btw, as far as I know, Morpheus is a piece of ... that uses the worst mp3 player I have ever seen, includes annoying banner ads (yuk) and is just badly designed as a client, period. The selection is deceptively poor considering our Time mag technology writer's enthusiasm about this particular aspect. It does some things very well as far as connectivity matters are concerned but even then lags behind most I've test-driven so far. Moral: don't believe everything you read, however respected the source might appear to be. Not my Napster, not even close so
sorry, Time dude, try again.

on his way out the door, PAW?
play nice he said, play nice. it's weekend and nobody's working so we can't have all those stiffs laying around the frontyard or heavy duty casualties, PAW. offer him/her a pina colada and turn up the Eagles, no, make that Joe Walsh instead!

CLAW

PAW (Yes it may even be you - who knows ?)

Wind your neck in and read the posts from the last week. Then tell me (a newcomer of about 18 months standing) that some posters weren't off their faces when they posted their mindless drivel (your own ?)

Be nice - It may even get you places !

The "Very intelligent" (Its all relative you know) Bad 1

Well, you just might be one of those "post(booze and drug ?) apocalyptical wierdos" he/she was talking about, who knows? Only stevie dan knows for sure he's not. He/she, as a newcomer, typically won't be specific as to which veteran he/she wants to disrespect so he/she just creates this vague group of weirdos. Of course, everyone thinks they're not part of that aggregate he/she is referring to there and thus, everyone agrees. Clever eh?

howdy bad_sneakers .. mentioning Tribal Tech/Scott Henderson/Gary Willis and l i v e as well .. OUCH!!
should Steviedan be asleep, he knows you posted, he knows :-)

toodles!

tried for that Morphos but it got stuck at 1% loading so i cancelled. i don't really use those devices anyways, really. wanna talk about dutch evil?
in the slammer of New York they had, in the beginning of 2001 only 4 dutch XTC-smugglers (mostly young people) in jail and now in July they already have 80. In the U.S.A overall, it's a few hundred dutch XTC-smugglers spending most of their young years behind bars, in stripes, haha???
one of them is a dutch woman who's job here in the Netherlands is ... yep, a jailguard. ofcourse when she's served her time she's unemployed.

most people have an offline life. an offline social life.
i used to spend hours behind a typewriter, now it's this fine notebook which btw was recommended by Floridavid, haven't tried the musical applications yet .. but i will ..

how/where is Floridavid?

~md! you travel the wave of the universe .. it's like a religious experience when you're hesitant about something or not even that and then hearing Steely Dan makes it all a little less should i-shouldn't i-should i-shouldn't i etc.
when i first came here on the GB and i played the Royal Scam album for the first time in ages it was very bad weather as in clouded skies. but when i was showered with, for starters, Kid Charlemagne and felt the energy and magic all over, the sun broke through and i knew i found the right connection again!
tuning in to the forces of, yes, i don't know, ~md ..
it's a wide range of frequencies they travel!

off for the weekend, have a nice, lazy, hot, cool, lukewarm, shady, dazey one?

Banyan Tree Keep That Dog Out Of My Luggage Bow,
G.

Hey Steviedan

I just got the chance to read the posts from the last week or so and in between the paranoid ramblings of some post(booze and drug ?) apocalyptical wierdos I couldn't help but notice your post of the 19th July - The Bruford album you mention lead to me getting beaten up at school for taking the LP to the music appreciation class where the rest of the class wanted to hear the Clash !!!

Anyway you obviously know your way around great music so I take it you have the following CDs ?

Return of the Brecker Brothers
Long to be loose - Wayne Krantz
Enigmatic Ocean - Jean Luc Ponty (with Holdsworth)
Road Games - Allan Holdsworth
Jeff Berlin solo albums for moments of genius and moments of pure musical nonsense
Anything Scott Henderson / Tribal Tech (Saw him last week in le Marche Italy - Awesome !!!)
Behind the mask - Corea Electric band
Any Martin Taylor (Brilliant Scottish Jazz guitar player)
Mike Brecker - Don't try this at home
Any Scofield with Dennis Chambers and Gary Grainger
Victor Bailey - Bottoms Up

If you want to hear some more mail me - I've got a monster collection (25 years worth)

Italy is THE place to hear great jazz and fusion in the summer !!
Zawinul Syndicate next (mattttt Grrrrrrrrissson - yeah !)

Tanned and on the way back to Scotland next weekend
Bad 1

Also lp, Mu, Aja, ||||, md, angel dear, LA Stevee, Gina, t-ster, Jen, daaaaaaaaaaaano, Balise impersonator, everyone - Thanks, appreciate it.
Everyone else, I didn't lose that number, alright? ;o)
But it is the 28th now, already old news.
Who's next?

MC, looks like a certain Morpheus is shaping up to be the next Napster. The Time magazine tech columnist said so, calling it THE next one out loud this week.
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/taylor/article/0,9565,168849,00.html
Apparently, it's one of those Dutch evil things again, come to make trouble. lol
Ginaaaa, now now... put that thing down now.
Steely tie-in? No record industry, no Steely. Simple enough?

Cyn - No. Those are my truck's headlights, deer.
Just kidding... Thanks for wishing me older. Again, kidding.
It's a Canadian thing, I guess.
You're right. Hey eLLe, you can breathe now. It's alright. Entanglements, misunderstandings... you know the drill. You've been around, right? Let it slide on down a little lower now.
I don't know even know what that means...
It's Saturday, the weak end. It's always been. zzzzz
I bet Q will be the first one to ping the blue page with a fat packet this morning.
That's how exciting it gets. urgh

Happy (belated) Birthday, Blaise. I guess those bright lights we saw coming from up north was not the Arora, but the candles from your cake.....LOL.

eLLe, sweetie darling.....EXHALE!!!!!!!!!!

danooooo....got the mudpit ready to rumble.Have fun in Florida, BUT, Stay outta the water! Seems its become a shark "all you can eat" Buffet.....lol.

Steely moment: Wore my SIS t-shirt to the store, guy behind me says" Is that a Steely Dan T-Shirt"? I explain the site to him...next hes asking the cashier for a pen and paper to copy down the addy.
Walking Billboard?

Hey Blaise – Happy Birthday. When I turned 35, I shaved off my beard and moustache to look younger. It worked, and now I just completely refuse to grow up – almost 7 years later.

Dano is going to see 10CC (Godley and Crème) fantastic. I saw them live once at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in Southern California. This is where the now legendary drunken musings of an extremely drunk van driver named Jerome Aniton announced (to the best of his fermented ability) “Mr. Steely Dan Whatever!” (Aha! My SD link for this post.) I love 10CC, and have just about everything of theirs that I could find. The album with the picture of the “Diver Dan” dude on the cover is Deceptive Bends. It has “Good Morning Judge”, “You Got A Cold”, and perhaps one of the best music-alliteration pun lyrics ever to hit the pop airwaves (since Gilbert and Sullivan) “I Got Ab”. The first few lyrics go… “I got Ab diminished responsibility. You’re D9th person to C. …” Hope 10CC were good tonight, y’know, at least 15 CCs worth.

Randy – welcome, and beware! You posted about The Beatles on a Steely Dan site where the attackers are waiting to tell you that you are in the wrong place, etc. Most musicians can track their start in music back to the Beatles, even if their musical interests predate the Beatles. Even the great modern jazz guitarist Pat Metheny cites the Beatles as one of his biggest influences. I too have spent (a lot of money and I’ve spent) a lot of time reading up on the Beatles and here in Los Angeles have been listening to a Sunday morning FM radio program called “Breakfast With The Beatles” for many years which up until her recent death was hosted by Dierdra O’Donohue. “The Beatles – A Diary” by Barry Miles is a book that I bought about a year ago that has a wealth of information about the entire career and lives of the Fab Four, and I also have that Lewisohn penned "The Beatles Recording Sessions" book. These books settle a lot of arguments, and you are absolutely right. I have never seen Bernard Purdie’s name mentioned in either book.

So Randy if you post here again, which I hope that you do, and you want to mention Beatles-related stuff, be sure to make a Steely Dan mention of some sort (like I did in this otherwise non-Dan-related post) and don’t worry about “The Truth” and others like him. They all got their own worries – don’t they gang?
… “… I wanna be famous, a star of the screen …”
“… an evening with a movie queen, a face we all have seen …”

Steveedan

Happy Day Blaiser...sending much love your way...miss 'ya, btw...

toneserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! (*winks*)

he's a crowd pleasing man...

jenny

Gina- naming cars is soo not a guy thing. My car's name is Hammer. This is because it's a peice of crap and it's a funny name but that is besides the
point. Anyone else got a great car name for their's. This is for all ya' that don't like to disect the Dan into tiny little pieces...

Happy Birthday Blaise! 35 ain't old...

Awwwww not again.

Awesome site! Keep up the great work!
Nate
http://www.NathanTellsAll.com

Carey was great, especially when Sissy Spacek got that pig blood dropped on her.

Getting ready for the Which One's Pink? show at the House of Blues Sunset Strip tomorrow. Among the anticipated highlights: Marvette Williams of the LA "The Lion King" company will join us to grab 1100 Floydheads by the cojones with her incredible rendition of The Great Gig in the Sky. We also will be debuting three new (for us obviously) songs from the Wall: Is There Anybody Out There? Goodbye Blue Sky (ever notice the similarity -- who could hang a name on you?) and Run Like Hell -- all three of which will include guest performances, vocal and nylon string electric guitar, from Berklee graduate John Stack, formerly of Choking Ghost and now a member of Nimura. I consider this post to be Steely Dan related because of the Berklee connection!

SAY WHAT BLAISE? HOLD MY BREATH? FOR WHAT?

I will be visiting NYC soon - is anyone interested in getting together the evening of April 23 or 24 for a mini-danfest? I am not familiar with the city... starting to do some research though. I found a site saying the Mingus Big Band plays every Thursday at the "Fez Under Time Cafe" - that sounds vaguely Steely-related...

P.S. Happy Birthday Blaise!

...gone to NYC for a weekend of fun and good times! Catch everyone later, when I get back!

Gina- naming cars is soo not a guy thing. My car's name is Hammer. This is because it's a peice of crap and it's a funny name but that is besides the point. Anyone else got a great car name for their's. This is for all ya' that don't like to disect the Dan into tiny little pieces...

Happy Birthday Blaise! 35 ain't old...

I'm not Blaise after all. We may be twins, but it would have been a mighty long, cruel labor. Alas, I got the age, but he got the maturity... Ok. I admit it. And the looks too... Happy b-day Blaiser!

Gina - thanks. I don't mind queing up... (did I spell that right?) Let me know if I can send anything your way.

Aja! - thanks for the warm southerly breaze. Did I miss your Northern jaunt?

Randy - I just got the Beatles Chronicles. I'm staring at it in awe right now, can't wait to dig in soon...

Jennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!?

Have a good weekend steely peeps!

You're going to have to define the word "credibility" for our friend "Truth"... He lost his in a sad gb incident a few days ago...

"Truth"?

*Tap Tap Tap*

Hi Randy, funny post! Stick around, okay?

Hello and happy b-day, Blaisie! Here's 35 sweet surprises ;o)

Hi Gina, lp, tonesy, Jim#, and all my buddies from my daily dime dancing days. Not much time to post or lurk anymore, but I've also noticed that Steely Dan sounds much better when it isn't dissected into tiny little pieces. Just sit back and take it all in! Anyway, that's my response to those that complain that we talk about too many non-Steely topics.

Swirling in the beautiful Southland,

Aja

Name: majordudette
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Date: Friday, July 27, 19101 at 14:20:07
Comments:

Both of my following bits have also been posted on the blue. If you you post on both, like me, please respond in the blue. Gracias!

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I was sitting in Starbucks this morning with my java, contemplating buying "Hear Music(volume 4)" which has the Rickie Lee Jones cover of "Show Biz Kids" on it, when all of the sudden, as if an omen- "Hey 19" comes across on the radio. I got up and bought the cd.

A way good investment. This cd is a jazzy eclectic mix of everything from Van Morrison to unknown's such as Pepe & the Bottled Blondes. I don't buy things often so this was a big step for me. I mean, there are Steely Dan cd's I don't yet own. (gasp!) I highly recommend this disc. Anyone else got it? Your news and views?

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I feel somewhat of a connection between "This Seat's Been Taken" and "Negative Girl." TSBT has a brighter tone however, than the well, for lack of a better word, negative tone of Negative Girl. It seems to be the same story line of wanting a girl who doesn't return the attention. Thoughts?

~md

Dohhh
TWM have one for me

Randy = clas
Funny posts
LOL

um, so does that mean you'll stay?

1. I didn't just discover the Beatles through the new CD "1."
(Very funny).

2. Liked the post about "get back, get back to the Beatles
board..." yet most of what goes on here isn't even
tangentially related Becker, Fagen, or Steely Dan(!)

3. Sorry I'm not glued to the screen to see you already blew
through the whole "Carey" thing, but there just isn't enough
engaging talk 'bout the Dan to keep me checking in daily (he
said snootily)...

4. For those REALLY paying attention, you'll note that I
referred to session drummer Andy White as ALAN White (who
worked with Lennon and Yes) the second time he was
mentioned, rendering all credibility (I may have had) totally
fucked... I've got to stop the Kaluah and Bolivian Marching
Powder...

"Broadway duchess/darlin' if you only knew/
Half as much as/everybody thinks you do..."
- Steely Dan, "I Got The News"

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

B: we never said you did those, getting a little paranoid are we? be happy, it's your birthday, what sign would that make you again - god, i hope not a leo.....

pick obscure celebrities, they are so much more fun....

10:28 = 10:32
Sorry about that.
Noce weekend everyone and thanks for the... ahem... warm wishes.

10:28? Nope.
Although I found it rather clever, for some reason.

Unfortunately that last one was mine.

she = he

ditto 11:44, btw.
Mu - I agree Gabriel is long overdue. It's been a decade or so now, right? Always engaging stuff to hear and she should pull another So again.
Hopefully...

hey ed, you posted, welcome back from you lurkdom!

if Randy stays, can i give him a test?

That post at 10:19 was not mine. So elle and whoever can save their breath.
Will I have to do this for the next 35 years now?
Hopefully not.

Hey Randy,
Thanks for a post that wasn't insulting,moronic,childish and or just stupid.

Ed

Get back, get back, get back to that Beatles board......

Gee, Randy, where the fuck you been? Carey was beat to death all last month. PAY ATTENTION. A couple of people managed to work it in between descriptions of where they went for dinner.

Glad you're discovering the Beatles. You must have bought "1" and now all of a sudden you're a life-long fan.

Firstly, unless I missed something while perusing the guestbook archives, I'm surprised that there hasn't been more talk about Steely Dan's alleged contribution to an upcoming Joni Mitchell "tribute" album... Their claimed contribution was "Carey" from Mitchell's 1971 album, "Blue." An interesting choice, but I wonder if there is (or isn't) a more "suitable" one...

Secondly, I have been studying the career of the Beatles for OVER twenty years now, with a considerable library and archive of my own, and I have to say that there is NOTHING to back up the claim that Bernard Purdie played on any Beatles album. Aside from George Martin, the Beatles themselves, and a small number of engineers, no one has been allowed access to the master tapes and /or archived documentation of sessions/overdubs/editing other than a handful of respected journalists, including Mark Lewisohn (author of "The Complete Beatles Chronicle" from 1992 and "The Beatles Recording Sessions" from the same year) and Mark Hertsgaard, who penned the much overlooked "The Music and Artistry of the Beatles" in 1995. Brian Epstein had nothing to do with the recording aspect of their career, and had no access to any master tapes at any time. (Keep in mind that these tapes were [and are] OWNED by EMI/Capitol.) The Beatles themselves had to sign for everything that left the studio in the earlier years (as Lewisohn mentions in his book), and there would be no reason to replace Ringo. Starr's abilities are very underrated (though not at my house) and he was very capable with delivering anything the songs (or the band) needed. Witness the great drumming on George Harrison's "Something" from 1969's "Abbey Road," among many, many others...

Other than "Back In The U.S.S.R.," (which was a COMPOSITE drum track, i.e. initially laid by Paul and overdubbed later by John and George), "The Ballad of John & Yoko" (played by Paul), the single version of "Love Me Do" (which WAS played by session drummer Andy White), and "Dear Prudence" (recorded three days after "Back In The U.S.S.R. while Ringo was still gone), all songs had drumming by Ringo Starr. In no instance was Starr replaced due to insufficient capacity. For "Back In The U.S.S.R." Ringo had left the band for a few days due to stress and internal squabbles, on "Ballad of John..." Lennon had written the song and (as always) wanted it recorded right away, with George out of the country and Ringo unavailable or not. Thus it was recorded by John and Paul. On the first version of "Love Me Do," George Martin had brought in Alan White as back up after the situation wherein Martin had to suggest the removal of Pete Best (who WAS less talented on the drum stool). After Starr showed himself more than proficent, no one else ever needed to be brought in again.

The next question of course, is "why would Purdie lie?" Perhaps to lay claim to some of the most revered and popular music of the twentieth century, which garners more praise than any other sessions Purdie had any connection to (with the exception of those staggering works with on Walter Becker and Donald Fagen)... Who knows. I love Purdie's work and respect him as a player, and he is actually a polite and eloquent man (I spoke with him briefly in 1994). But there is little proof to his claims, and if you read the RIGHT books and do the research, that can be seen.

P.S. The infamous "butcher" cover to 1965's "Yesterday and Today" was NOT a sarcastic swipe at Capitol as retaliation for any doctored recordings. It grew out of the band's twisted sense of arcane humor, much like the check mark over the face of Brian Epstein on the poster included with "The White Album" (1968). It was more about having to go to "yet another photo session" for a repackaging of songs for American release. The butcher picture was talked about in "The Beatles Anthology" book where they all seemed to feel it was better as an idea than when they actually sat to take the picture(s).

It's funny how no one makes a issue over songs Paul didn't play bass on, or others where George didn't play lead guitar...

"No fooling it's a fucked up world..."
- Walter Becker, "Junkie Girl"

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

10CC!!!!uuuuuhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!! - okay fess up, who has their LP with the diver guy on it.......me! 8-track too! OMG

the good news about being in your thirties for me is professionally, people pay attention to that net i carry as the dog catcher but i'm still young enough to throw a little charm around to get out of what might have become a bad situation - old enough to know better, young enough to have the energy......

well, take a look at this then. far back enough for you?http://www.broberg.pp.se/

Yo, wasssssup

Just popped in to say happy birthday B, 35, I'm not there yet, how about a report to let me know how it feels?

Going on hols tomorrow to Lanzarote in the Canaries. Cannae fuckin wait

Peace and Dan
Al

You're not thinking far back enough.

if I remember it correctly 35 is some where around the age when some people start to realise that the phrase "grow up, will yah" is totally redundant.

Anniversaire Naissance

35 (tracks of) wack
and a pinch to grow an inch? peut etre?

I laugh my head off when ever I hear that guy..
he doesn't know who he's introducing..somebody yells to him,
"Steely Dan"...and he says Mr.Steely Dan..
the laugh , I always thought it was Walter for some reason..just a feelin :D...the finale on that live Bodisattva is fBEEPin
dyn-)-mite!!!!

Mr.Steely Dan...whatever

LOL!!

Off to the races and 10CC are on the stage after Racing finishes.
Yahoo Hubba hubba.Godley and Creme here we come.

Blaiser 35 ?? Dont drink to much Molson mate??
Have a good craic canuck.

awespishus =
auspicious
Strange.....

st al: the sad thing/ironic (depending on your perspective) is i am so used to people coming in here insulting on the first post that i didn't even notice what he said and only noted the question he asked - it's like weeding through your garden to find the carrot and not even noticing the weeds you pulled out along the way - anyways, have a nice vacation! we will miss you here...

Happy Birthday Blaise!

t, StAl.: Funny, I rarely watch Letterman anymore - occasionally part of Conan when working/playing on the computer late - but for some reason there it was and here came Peter Gabriel with the Afro Celt Sound Machine. When You're Falling was a very classic, strong Gabriel song in the In Your Eyes vein a bit. Great to see him again. Hope he'll release Another One soon...

In light of recent Internet activities, specifically the "Blue" GB and "Yellow" GB follies, I'd like to set the record straight... Hoop's is my buddy and I fully support whatever he does. It's a big Internet out there...

Now, does that post by the person named AWE strike anyone else but me as being a completely bullshit thing to do? I mean, he comes on here, insults us when he hasn't a clue as the the history of this GB, and then ask for our help? Not that he doesn't have a point, but that's simply bad form...I wouldn't tell him shit. Sorry Andy.

Vacation starts in about 4 hours. Since I do almost all of my posting at work, you probably wont hear from me much for the next 10 days or so. Ya'all place nice now.

Tones: Pictures at 11... Which reminds me. There's talk of Robert Plant taking the stage with Afro Celt and PG. Plant is also featured on a cut from the new Afro Celt CD.

StAl

35? Who needs reasons?
- You know a diamond when you hold it in your hand.
- Skunk and Denny's magical, quintessential playing early on.
- Larry Carlton on Scam. ('nuff said)
- Chuck Rainey on Aja. ('nuff said)
- Purdie Overdub dub.
- etc...
- You know a diamond when you hold it in your ha - and.
- Jon Herrington, Walter Becker - "Advanced Rock Guitar Technique Master Class and Workshop For idiots In A Nutshell" (Birmingham 2000).
- A friendly Cynthia Calhoun reply and how it brightens your day.
- "He meant to shine to the end of the line", Rinse, Repeat.
- Most Impressive concerted discography effort on the internet.
- Arguably, most sophisticated, varied and ressourceful online fandom in the industry.
- Most impressive list of timely signature riffs on any musical body of work unfolding today.
- Deepest well of semi-twisted lyrical quotes.
- DONALD FAGEN'S VOICE (something about it).
- DIAMOND, I tell ya.
- Most impressive list of outtakes (including potential hit singles) of any unfolding musical body of work.
- Arguably, showered with tributes and awards, most celebrated artistic concept out there (2000-2001).
- All of this w/o the help of an all out smash hit single OR video reason enough?
- Digital Audio Killed The Video Star? Working on that...
- Deepest base of semi-twisted lyrical fans.
- Pink, you're not my Steely. My Steely was the best.
- I need something stronger than Blues in E, some quirky storytelling but keep the backbeat. Yeah like that...
- "There ain't nothing in Chicago for a monkey woman to do".
- Most impressive list of songs about nothing and everything all at once (tie with Joni Mitchell).
- Shades and Gown, cheaters and hats, goggles, sausage and beer, shade on the light.... gotta love it.
- "You know the yellow one with the worm at the bottom, not the clear kind..."
- Just enjoying this unique perspective on the Alcohol,Tobacco and Firearms universe as painted with a "sex, drugs and rock and roll" colour palette. Don't mind me.
- Both Burt Bacharach AND Donny Osmond-endorsed. Wow wow wow...
- Most covered and sampled classic rock body of work this last decade, arguably.
- Most ellusive recently celebrated artists at this moment. Where are thou now, Hawaii?
- "We got yawr skinny gi-i-irls..."
- In the morning you go gunnin'/ staggering out into the burn of the brain dead dawn/
"More of the same!" "More of the same!"
- I could go on... DRUMS!
- DONALD FAGEN's VOICE (something about it) revisited.

...

sending invites to all SD fans possible to be found?
howdy Blaise, you got to at least send 35 ... go check the yahoo SD club and lure them here ... if only for once?

Had no clue how Libby Titus looked like, but she is a very beautiful woman. Guys would go hubba-hubba?

like LP suggests, go and get muellered :-)

the english Danfans aren't that bad either, the Blue Book has news on them .. if even so tied to the tribute band bonding?

offline i go pronto,
G.

t for tones, i can send Caldera on tape but i got 4 more tapes to send, haha, so it won't be real real soon ...

Good Morning all....

Regarding Jerome Anton. I don't have the infamous Brian Sweet book on me, but I am sure someone in this forum does. There is a large section that talks about him. All I have for reference are the liner notes from the remastered Katy Lied album. I quote D & W here. "Against all odds, an inebriated teamster (with or without underage girl in tow) may be the most inspiring of M. C.'s." I believe the laugh you hear on the tape is Donald, since he really liked Jerome. (But I could be wrong).

By the way, I was reading some things on Tomas' site yesterday, and saw there is a song by Walter Becker on an 11 TOW Outtakes CD that has a character named Jerome in it. I immediately thought of Jerome Anton. Hmmmm....

Blaise: Happy Birthday dude! 35, yeah, you are really getting up there. :-)

LP: No, I have nothing to do with anything. :-)
Maybe someday....
Enjoy Vermont. Beautiful state.

Good weekend to all....

set on fire....

i'd like to keep the posted question from AWE alive here - who was that masked man drunken and disorderly announcing the band in Santa Monica that night? it's great they kept the tape, you can feel the loss of patience from the band with him

on the local broadcast of all things considered, while delivering the local news, weather and trafic report for boston, the instrumental of Black Friday was playing in the background (angel, did you have something to do with that? - lol - find out who at WBUR is the SD-nut, they seem to do that alot, which is a very good thing)

if that was you Blaise, yes, my dearest sweetheart pumpkin HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!! i've got a year and a half on you and yes, 35 was a tough birthday for me, so go out and get muellered.....;)

getting myself outta hot water here today - off to Vermont for a glorious weekend afterwards!

hTTp://www.deathclock.com

22 000 Days... Isn't that the Moody Blues? Now I sound real old.

Steveedan (and all other Steely chart junkies):

Re the possible Gm chord between the Cm9 and Dmaj7 of the intro sequence, I guess it's partly subjective (when is a chord a chord?). I should have typed Gm7 actually, not Gm9.

I hear two saxes playing descending thirds for this part, similar to what you wrote:

CEb - BbD - AC#

six beats of the first, then two beats, then 8 beats. There is quite a strong G note on the first beat of the BbD part in the saxes, which is why I hear Gm (Gm7). I hear enough of a harmonic shift at this point to make me think I need a new chord (Gm7) for two beats before the Dmaj7, but not everyone may hear this.

There's another extra chord I hear between the D9 and Em6/9 at the start of the verse. I think you had D13 D9 Em9 Em6. I hear something like D13 D9 Cmaj7 Em6/9 Em6.

D13 D9 = 1 bar, Cmaj7 = 1 bar, Em6/9 Em6 = 2 bars

There's a keyboard chord (BCEG) + a C bass note after the D9 which made me go for Cmaj7. Again, it's subjective as to whether you hear this as a chord change or not. I also like including the 6 in the first Em chord (i.e Em6/9, low to high: E G C# F#), with the F# falling to E.

You had a couple of chords like Cmaj7/D in your chart - i.e maj7 with bass note one above the root of the maj7. Out of interest, how do you voice the chords - what are the notes?

Howard

G., great move on the link there. That Hans Verlouw (.nl!)Database site is quite impressive. So is Thomas Broberg's site (.se!), incredibly informative, both of them. We don't mention it enough.
It'd be nice if these guys dropped by once in a while.
But maybe they do already... Or at least lurk... I dunno. It's hard to tell...
Oh it's INSANE, isn't it?

http://www.ohio.com/bj/news/2000/December/15/docs/018840.htm

frozen yogurt?

HEY YOU ANDY!

will a pic of Jerome do?

http://cp35053-a.dbsch1.nb.nl.home.com/SteelyDanDatabaseScripts/personportraits.asp

A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BLAISE

GIVE US 35 REASONS TO LOVE THE MUSIC OF STEELY DAN!!!!!

Just thought I'd make it Zeitgest-worthy as well.

There's no STeely tie-in in that last one.
Or is there?

July 27th? I'm 35! Urgh*

* This post was anonymous for good reasons. I don't feel like being 35 all that much, if you ask me. It sounds so "mid-life".

Come over here and sit down. Let me get you a glass of wine and some hors d'oeuvres. I agree with Roy & St. Al about GB content. It changes, it grows...but what it does for me is give me a place where I can be the Danfan I am with others of a similar persuasion who share quirky and unpredictable bits of a worldview and are smart, irreverent, rich in all sorts of experience, sometimes obnoxious, always keeping me on my toes and rolling in the aisles, in a different way than other parts of my life. A nine-to-fiver with kids & mortgage like me can't fly with the spontaneity I'd necessarily like to, so this is one place to get it. And if you read between the lines, there's almost always a subtle Steely tie-in.

Was that Zawinul & Shorter *together*?

t

Gina - good morning (still?). Thankles (yes "thankles" - typos say it so much better... sometymz) for looking at/in that Caldera for me. As soon as I see one I'm going to own it... hopefully. I've never heard anything but the one I have, but it's survived my changing tastes all of these years.

steviedan N.C. - Emmylou! Ok... well, after all it is Emmylou... My thinking (not so far out, I think) is that any year the Dan choose to release an album, that award should be a lock. They are so unique in what they do it doesn't seem fair. But Emmylou is as unique in what she does also... How does Downbeat treat the Dan historically? They weren't too kind to our boys Weather Report when Mr. Gone came out apparently, after raving about Heavy Weather. I wonder how they reviewed Gaucho when it came out? Oh yeah, NEW Spearhead (coupla months old... sorry so slack over here) on 6 degrees... he's closer than you think...

--------------------

So is it true the Dan are considering special seating for their next tour? A large, crowded section marked "underwear", and a small, yet defiant section marked "sunglasses"...

Next you'll be tellin' me "...Western World" isn't about Yul Brenner...

Saw live Radiohead on eMpTV tonight... *very* impressive... as was Gabriel and Afro-Celt on Letterdude...

one more sonic shrimp for the barbie... Gorillaz: bits of Blur, Cibo Matto, Tom Tom Heads (Chris & Tina), with Del tha Funky HomoSapien and, just to make it eclectic, Ibrahim Ferrer from the Beuna Vista Social Club shows up for a tune. If it wasn't such a big funky party it would be a mess. I'm luvin' it...

But that's me. I think it's time for a "sound check". What's everybody else listening to this week of this summer?

Sorry for the ramble... I'm off to catch some zzzzzzzzz's to help the caffeine I'm gonna need in a few hours...

submitting...

C'mon Schwinn, have another vodkae and quit messing with Claes.

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about Jerome Aniton - the guy who announced Bodhisattva on the Steely Dan Gold CD.

I'd search through all these posts but I'm sickened by the obnoxios flaming that seems to pervade bulletin board culture - this forum no exception.

If anyone knows anything about Mr. Aniton's history and how he got the gig that night in Santa Monica, please E-mail me at awespishus@aol.com.

Thx,

Andy

What in the hell is going on here? I'm as dizzy as a duck in a deluge. Why is St. Al acquiescing to Clas and why is Clas sending me cryptic messages chock-full of worms? Is this the "end days" Steely Dan outlined in their song "____________" (fill in the blank with your favorite abdominal SD anuerism.)

This site is alive with pleasure! I can feel Donny in Cleveland straightening up his Gold records and dusting the frames with Walter's beard. Really. That's why I make the big bucks.

So what else is going on? I need to know everything now so I'm not forced to "lurk".

BTW, Clas, where is that nude Libra/Scorpio sketch you promised me? Good God, do I have to send you a potatoe vodka kit again?

Lucky Hen,

SEMB

morning Clas, Michael McDonald will be in Sweden, october!!
I will most likely see him perform in Copenhagen, Club Vega.
and downbeat.com has a few Bill Evans downloads ...

hurrying to the working grind bow,
G.

StAL - ha! Yeah that was very funny. But Gaucho told me how to go round that shit; -Just spell your name C las. Or C L A S.

Very simple.

the Stranger - glad you made it. And what did you call those places you're having breakfasts at - Parisiennes? Anyway - you show me. Or us, you show us.

Schwinn - say you made it.

stevieDan - hey man, socialized with a friend of mine yesterday. He's deep into the swedish jazz-arena, I asked him about this Monica Zetterlund/Bill Evans-recordings, he told me they did one Album, ”Waltz for Debby”, recorded back in 1963.

I ordered it this morning, when I get it I send it to you. Not via email, snailmail :) the problem is, could you forward me your address? I think it's pretty safe to email ME, and this, computer seems to be okay, I cleaned the mess with the help from the link Howard gave me.

---

And this Stockholm Jazzfestival was too close, I didn't go:

I missed the chance to see Chris Potter and his quartet (Kevin Hayes, piano - Scott Collen, bass - Billy Drummond - drums) and Oscar Peterson and the Swedish guitar player Ulf Wakenius (that's a monster). And Joe Zawinul, Wayne Shorter.

C

been a slow night my european night .. always nice to see Steviedan when this page unfolds on the screen!
hi Stevie, the PEACE GROUP is really on its way .. one day we'll be begging for subversiveness?

howdy Cod, there's a small stream just behind these Banyan Trees where you can wash up if you want to, you can borrow Negative Girl's lavender soap she brought from the market, after you washed up you can join us for tea and cookies? :-)
we'd love to recognize the face behind the dirt!

Aja, you lurking somehow, somewhere?
Robin? Rubybaby?

Banyan Tree Peas It is Bow,
Gina

okay. MOD comes on implicating "steviedan" for hittin' him with the flame thrower from the rat patrol on the blue gb. well, i certainly have no idea what he is referring to except that he is probably referring to "SteveeDan" i'm assuming this. i never saw the post but noticed the page was down earlier. ironically, this falls on a day when the prodigal Steve V (a clearer permutation) from singapore graces us with his return and graces to him on his latest "mini me" project. Stevee, the "more the merrier" you refer to will be better facilitated if one of us does not act as a lightning rod for controversy. not to suggest docility to anyone, but this is the second mistaken identity backlash i've dealt with since your arrival. now that's not a big whoop, and maybe you didn't see MOD's post that appeared prior to your last two, neither of which made any mention of whatever the pissing is over. i like to keep my dealings here positive in nature and free of pettiness, but unfortunately i seem to be getting swept up by the waves of insultive disagreement. steviedan ain't about that, hoss and i ain't diggin' it. help me out here, man.

I guess I get to comment on tribute bands, since I have now seen several.

On the Plus side:

Songs you like, done the way you like them.

Accessibility. We were all surrounding Hank Easton when he did all those killer guitar solos at the NY Danfest. Pretty cool thing to see. Most of the time at a concert, you don't have a prayer of getting that close.

Songs you don't get to see on tour, performed well.

Some improvisation usually toward the end of songs, or in solos.

MUCH more inexpensive. An evening can cost maybe $10 or $20 plus drinks. If you know the band, sometimes even less. :-)

Negatives:

It is not Don and Walt (or whoever).

Rarely do you get new arrangements of songs. The Damned do a killer version of the 2nd Arrangement. Bob mentions that it is their 3rd arrangement of the song.

Bob Tedde commented recently that, "It is like comparing apples and oranges". Both are good, but different.
If you want to try it out, do so. If you want to wait for the next tour, that is fine too. There is room in this world for both.

Good evening all....

MOD Rules!

Yeah blah blah saw that duh mar show... last few years too... the usual. Lots of old money at the track eh? Dont think anyone can touch Hank westone tho.

Raleigh Danfest Outerbanks http://dandom.com/danfests/raleigh

Hi Howard –

Thanks for the suggestions on the Intro Section of Glamour Profession. On the sequence leading to the verse (Cm9 Dmaj7), I tried your suggestion of Gm9 in between these 2 chords. I hear the Bass groove ornamenting the Cm9 chord, but there are horns in the middle of the low and high tones that I think are going:
C – GBbEb … C – GBbD … D – F#AC#

I suppose this middle chord above could be looked at as a Gm (or Gm9 if you add the A) over a C in the Bass. These are the internal sounds that I am now hearing. Thank you for drawing my attention to them. I think that my chord chart is still fairly accurate, but this item should be brought to the attention of the horn players and by doing so it will improve the authentic quality of a performance of this song.

You also wrote: “on the intro (Am9 Bbm6 G7) I think the G7 needs a B in the Bass, i.e. G7/B.” You are correct about this. I chose not to write it like this because I see it as an item that the Bass player needs to handle and in the Bass at this part it goes B and then G, which would be the G7 with the root (G) in the Bass. That is why I did not write the other because the change is so fast.

Again thanks for the attention you have given my chart. Talk to you soon.

Steveedan

no, dipshit. that's your mama with the goatee.
i'm actually your daddy.

schwinn's no lurker? bet his girl is?
come out, fred? here, kittykittykitty

mod IS AUS.

:-)

Hello all –

Last night was very interesting. One of our guitarists from the Steely Fan Band went to see The Steely Damned play at the Del Mar Racetrack near San Diego. I was here in LA at home bathing my son when the phone rang and it was my guitarist Dwayne. He, his sister, and his mother, who is a huge Dan fan, were at the show and Dwayne let me hear a lot of the show. The songs I heard were: Do It Again, Bad Sneakers, Jack Of Speed, Two Against Nature, Gaucho, FM, Don't Take Me Alive, Haitian Divorce, and My Old School. Very impressive. Our guitar player hung out with the band after the show and we are now forging nice relationships with TSD.

So to the larger community of Steely Dan tribute bands, I, on behalf of the 3 Southern California chapters, specifically, the Los Angeles chapter (The Doctor Wu Band), the Newport Beach chapter (The Steely Fan Band), and the San Diego chapter (The Steely Damned), cordially invite other Steely Dan tribute bands to make contact with any of us. We all have websites: www.(name of band).com. Give us a call.

Also, I noticed that there was a post placed today from Steve V Dan from Babylon, L.I., about the Woody Herman big band concert he saw where they performed Green Earrings and Aja. That must have been great.
There was also a post from (according to Raleigh NC’s Steviedan) the original Steve V – curiously yellow kid - from Singapore who’s wife just had a baby. Congratulations.

My point? There are lots of Steviedans around these parts. The more the merrier as far as I’m concerned.

To Steviedan, Steve V Dan, and any other like-named folks, I am pleased to be in your presence.

Steveedan

MOD = NG w/o hormone pills

MOD = AUS

JUST SHUT UP LAMER

How can i get me a decent sleep with this MODDOMOTION going on?
A contest? Is this Who Dun It sung by the all time Tavares Bros?
A new flame to the game?

MC, are you going to give your Mazda a name as well?
Men do that, don't they, give their cars a name :-)

Who is NYBILL?
Did i miss someone/something?

MOD=WB not meaning ... yes? no!!!!!!

How about an amateur soccer club digging in their own pockets for three years to keep their club running while the "president" of the club, (a lawyer!) fills the hole in his pants with the club's money? How's that for COMMUNITY sense ... so many communities in the world, on- and offline ...

A huge grashopper's been feeding himself for a week now in my small garden. It's not normal for these big babies to roam these parts. They're more into the French area's.
So I was told when I asked a guy passing by.
I took some pics and hopefully they show the grashopper in all his glory. The sound is deafening, really. Had to close the windows.

Don't you get to see bugs and animals and such that usually don't inhabit or visit the area where you live?
The globe is changing.

Should someone let MOD trip over his cane ...
Isn't there a Carey around to take him African windways?
Oh how these handles/characters become infamous.

No news on the Carey song recorded by WB and DF?

Banyan Tree It's Night Here Bow,
Gina

MOD spelled backward is DOM, just a coincidence?

Smart move, worried, real smart.....

I guess Steveedan didn't actually come out and say that he was molesting his kid …

Worried

come to chat!

Hoops is back on. I read what Steveedan said and it is bad. It must have been much worse before Hoops cut it. I thought that Hoops should have cut out the line about Steevedan molesting his kid in the bathtub in the previous message. Can't we all just get along? Mean Old Daddy, you better quit posting for a while, and if you live near LA, be careful. I am going to take a break myself.

Worried

Despite the brevity and/or lack of quantity in posting, this was one of the funniest day sets I've ever encountered here.

Identity is never an issue at the Ramones site.

lmaoamd

my first instinct was KD as well. also, MODerator does tend to make sense- god knows, Hoopsies place needed some excitement.

let's have a contest! unearth MOD and win a date with Donald!
I know even the boys would like that.

MOD = MODerator

MOD = Q

well, count me among the latest recipients of the SirCam worm. Just saw it in my hotmail account and knew what it was. Thanks for the tip here. Just deleted the sucker.

back to work for three 12 hour shifts on Friday, Saturday & Sunday but then lots of time off for the next few weeks. Looks like a new (used) car in our future next week. A '95 Mazda MX6. I drove a new RX-7 from '79 - '89 and have been driving the Miata from July of '89 until now and it still runs great. We're replacing Opti's '90 Plymouth with the MX6. I've had excellent service out of the Mazdas over the past 22 years and hope the streak continues.

See y'all about Monday....gonna be a lot of catching up to do.

Have a great weekend!

MC

MOD = Moo

MOD = WB (not the station)

MOD = KD

I SAW IT

no $#!^, really? dammit!

i think someone pointed that fact out WEEKS ago...

MOD = NYBILL!!!!!!

12:31 pacific time.

Hoops has taken the bluebook off-line after STEVIEDAN threatened MOD in an unwarranted, profanity laced, attack.

The afore mentioned S really needs professional help.

If it helps Hoops and Saint, MOD will refrain from posting to either board. It was fun while it lasted.

MOD loves Dan. God Bless you all!

MOD

st. al -- you said it. Again! Clas(shole) is a bum fuck party spoiler filled with emerald colored envy.

you know dam well who

Clas,
Yeah, I got that email sent to me. I was suspicious because it landed in my Bulk Mail box. I never should have opened it but did. Then I scanned the attachment with my software and it told me this thing was a worm virus. I didn't open the attachment, deleted the message, shut down my computer, reloaded it and did a virus scan. Came out OK. Hope it's right. I think it read all the addresses in your email address book. What kind of motherfucker gets a charge out of fucking people up for no reason? I always need a reason. Like maybe when some little old lady pedestrian gets in my way while I'm going 120 mph on a side street so I can get to the liquor store. Then she deserves what she gets.

Where was I? Oh yeah. Lena? Nice name. Only Lena I know of is Horne. A babe.

Seeya in Paris.

CHIRP*CHIRP?

An Irishman is having his beakfast tea,sausages, bread, butter, jam, etc)

when an American man, chewing gum, sits down next to him.
The Irishman ignores the American who, nevertheless, starts a conversation.
American: You Irish folk eat the whole bread???
Irishman (in a bad mood): Of course.
American: (after blowing a huge bubble) We don't. In the States, we only eat
what's inside. The crusts we collect in a container, recycle it, transform
them into Cookies and sell them to Ireland.
The American has a smirk on his face. The Irishman listens in silence.
The American persists: D'ya eat jelly with the bread??
Irishman : Of Course.
American: (cracking his gum between his teeth and chuckling). We dont.
In the States we eat fresh fruit for breakfast, then we put all the
peels,seeds, and left overs in containers, recycle them, transform them
into
jam and sell the jam to Ireland.
The Irishman then asks: Do you have sex in the States??
American: Why of course we do, the American says with a big smirk.
Irishman : And what do you do with the condoms once you've used them??
American: We throw them away, of course.
Irishman : We don't. In Ireland, we put them in a container, recycle
them,melt them down into chewing gum and sell them to the United States.

Clas: That censor device you mention was kinda funny, wasn't it? You remember don’t you...

Shit man, I don't censor anything.

I think you missed my point. I was defending you. Furthermore, I think you missed the point I was trying to make about Pete.

BUT! Just for the record. No, he didn't carry equipment or handle the sound. He just carried a press pass for 1994, 1996 and 2000 tours. Oh, and those pictures on the back of Alive In America...right...

This is the last time I'm going to talk to you about this subject. Pete tells these stories because every MOTHERFUCKING STEELY DAN FAN IN THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR YOU wants to hear them. Unfortunately, mainly because of you, he doesn't tell them here anymore.

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering what the censor device was, it was a portion of the script that allows me to exclude words. So being the smart ass I am I decided one day to exclude the single word "Clas"

You should have seen what his posts looked like. Damn that was funny...

Oh, I'm not a Scorpio. I'm a Libra.

Later
StAl

Schwinn is lurking? Hello.

but this is warmer:

http://www.apollogt-studio.com/BrianW6.jpg

http://music.excite.com/artist/biography/10731

**for additionnal reading on Steve V Dan's story**

THE wife?

CONGRATULATIONS BEING A DAD AGAIN, STEVE V

HEY GUYS, STEVE IS BUYING!!!!!!

yes I am still in Singapore, the wife (Mdme Ong)...gave birth to our second son last month!......glad to the Guest Book is still alive!

what's with the f*&%$ing Mets this year?
fire Valentine!

My Steely Dan Story....sort of.

Many years ago, long before there was even a remote chance that Fagen and Becker ever performing in concert again the only chance one had of hearing their music live was if you were able to catch a performance of Woody Herman's Thundering Herd. By a quirk of fate some old codgers in my hometown of Babylon, Long Island put together a venue at out high school that brought in some big bands (Woody, Buddy Rich etc.)...and one summer the aforementioned 'Herd came to town. Needless to say me and my brothers shelled out the 5 clams for the tickets and marched down to the auditorium that fateful Saturday nite. But aghast it soon became evident almost the etire crowd was over 60, the great dj William B. William (a Babylon native) was there.....finally after a hectic set of 1940's standards etc...Woody took a break.......I followed him out to lobby, my brothers (musicians themselves) consulted with the band on stage....finally after Woody got off the phone (my brother, acid wit that he is, claimed Woody was trying to score his connection!)...after Woody had signed an autograph for a little girl I confronted the cool legend himself...."Hey Woody....any chance would could hear some Steely Dan???"....the Woodster was shocked and looked at me with a curious grin...."How old are you?" "17" I chirped, now feeling a bit intimidated by the swing bohemian......."I guess you got my last album ('Chick, Donald, Walter and Woodrow [Centurt Records]), huh kid!"
I later found out that my brother had been badgering the band for some 'Dan request.......so with much excitement set #2 at the old North Babylon High that nite began with a sterlingly hip rendition of 'Green Earrings'!.....later the Herd aired an opium jag-esue version of 'Aja'.......they closed the show with a smart Victor Feldman rendition of 'I Got the News'!.......a true story from the annals of 'Dandom. Cool huh

http://www.geocities.com/webevane/kinky.jpg

Jimbo; I don't remember ever seeing a video for WB's "Down in the Bottom". Did you see one? Where, on VH1? What was it like, animated, live concert, etc.?

Please, do NOT play misty for me.....

Clas, hope it's fun listening to that tape, it's got all kinds of, not all good or bad and lots in between. It'll paint a fairly honest picture, though!
Have to disagree however on mr Pete Fogel sharing stories. I for one and am not the only, enjoy them. Well, them .. have only read one story up 'til now! It's not really about "look at me" (i'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree, one great song that MISTY tune) when i read that story about Joe Sample and some of the Spellbound personelle, it shows what a great and kind man Joe Sample is and it brought back the memory of that album i used to have on tape and i searched my entire house for it, alas ... it is nice to have been part of even so sideways events -AS A GUEST- that lead to music so many people enjoyed and still enjoy.
I don't know why you see it the way you do and i also don't think less of you because of it, we're all entitled to have our own sentiments about things ...
Usually stories like that can only be read at journalist's courtesy (? sounds like bad english to me) if the publisher is interested or the reporter or the people they interview. In reference to the ShowBizKids it's the Media Kids writing stories about themselves ... and the most likeable things out there for all of us to read unfortunately fade as if things have never happened. It's always nice to read about musicians and their experience with others, like when Jef Pevar met Rickie Lee Jones and how their musical chemistry worked!
So it's just as nice to read what Pete Fogel encounters (got to find/learn a new word here) and yes, by all means, if there were journalists whatever writing stories about the roadcrew, or if they are interested in sharing .. to most it's no big deal and just their job, most people who work it don't gush over/on it?
Perhaps when we are thrilled to see Steely Dan perform live, Donald Fagen while waiting in a foreign restaurant for his Club Sandwich and when it finally arrives it tastes like rubber or worse, well he perhaps then wishes he were home instead of in some god forsaken place where they have american stuff on the menu and don't know how to prepare it ...
Particularly in Dan voids like these, "stories of the road" are welcome, and Pete Fogel has a nice way of describing things, mixing past and history and a little overview wisdom. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
Most people keep all the goodies to themselves. Don't want to share their profits, money, luck and so on. I liked it when Pete Fogel shared that story and wish he'd even come sit in our Banyan Trees Kitchen and make our dinner go cold because we are listening. Haha, i'm sure we have something for Clas to do then, right? keep it light!!

howdy Steviedan, i guess it means it is kind of back here now i've been hitting those keys to submit, right?
your plea really did it, you know. and having read the Moving Analysis from the DreamBook Vault, well .. who then can resist the Banyan Trees Potion?

and ofcourse the eternal HUMOR if not in writing here as well in events and termoil once the storm is over.
couldn't be more Dannish, really.

Banyan Tree Who's MOD HURRY2yerCANE Bow,
Gina

btw schwinn- i think saint al is a libra.

Schwinn - I don't want to email you, don't know hell what happens if, but man, THAT'S a VIRUS you're dealing with (not the usual ones wearing pumps and heels).

But I think you're pretty safe, you're using a Mac don't you?

Could some friendly soul email mr Schwinn saying he's got a Mine in his inbox?

C

c l A S S - You're right. We would rather hear you talking about your new bout with cancer or your dogs dick rather than hearing about Pete's Steely Dan related stories. Right on bro!

St.Al- In honor of c l A S S you should change the name of this guest book to "Sign In Asshole"

I'm glad there is an alternative guestbook now. They've settled on the subject of tribute bands OVER THERE.
It's all good, I say, very good.
After all it IS the tangentially Dan topic par excellence...

Busy day today on the wetside which means, FYI:

1) I'm not posting, neither here nor there.
2) I can't be expected to reply right away to any comment, including those last resort ones about my looks and my family's overall appearance.
3) Even less get into fights in real time with anyone, be it a an anonymous collective.

Thanks for your understanding.
And thank you, StAl for finally speaking out against the excessive small talk tendancy thriving at the expense of the rest of it. No Dan action doesn't have to mean no brain action, I agree.

Of course you understand the "Jekyl & Hyde" mentality, St. Al, YOU'RE A SCORPIO.

Plus, a MOLLY HATCHET fan to boot!

Flirtin' with Piasters,

St.Elle

Clas- Your last post just proves to everyone here what a fucking asshole you really are!

As far as your distane for Pete Fogel goes... one word: JEALOUS! Don't you see how obvious you make it? You have to be blind not to see it. You have absolutley NO idea what Pete has done for Donald and Walter and you never will!

You are scum!

#24601

Clas- Your last post just proves to everyone here what a fucking asshole you really are!

As far as your distane for Pete Fogel goes... one word: JEALOUS! Don't you see how obvious you make it? You have to be blind not to see it. You have absolutley NO idea what Pete has done for Donald and Walter and you never will!

You are scum!

#24601

the Stranger - glad you could handle that one. It was out of my control.

Luckless Pedestrian - well, what can I say? I am very sorry, and you were not even in my address-book! Very strange. And the file that was attached; ”It All Began 1958” that's the liner notes for a jazz-CD I made the cover for, last fall. Shit happens.

Gina - same to you girl, and thanks for the tape, I'll be listening to it tonite, I am thrilled. And honoured. You are a dammm good singer.

---

StAl - if P Fogel is a good person or not, that's not the issue. I'm just poking fun over his ”thing-for-celebrities” - ”to BE somebody through the FACT that I have met mr Fagen and mr Becker and is occasionly working for them”.

Jesus, if this guy handled the light or the sound or were carrying gear at the concerts. At least, that's something.

I have no idea of what he's like in private. I mean, I'm a good person too, and still folks (US-natives that is)hates me, calling me things, have opinions on my country, my son and my wife, yes, they are even taking it so far that they want to see me dead. They are sending missiles in emails (okay, that's the US-way of dealing with things, FORCE it on him if he doesn't obey you, WE ARE THE FUCKING GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH, don't laugh with our Pride, Celebrities or Celebrity-tails) want to see me out of this place (and YOU shouldn't make-up the past buddy, remember that Censore-device you came up with, quite a hit, wasn't it? You are no saint).

You are more upset over the fact that I have ”no respect” for Pete Fogel than you are upset over this anon-fuckhead are insulting Blaise and his KID.

And more; I have no opinions on Pete Fogel and his private life, and I will never mention his name again. And I am certainly not obsessed with this guy. Had never heard of him before I came to this place.

All I will do is sit very quiet and laugh my ass off when he's telling one of those Celebrity-stories on the yellow or, probably, on the Blue GuestBook again. While you US-natives goes ”Oh, that's been itching you SO long Pete, do you have another Lime-Light story for us mister? Uh?”

Blaise - thanks.

C

duncan wow, ringo's got more friends than (insert your own punchline here)...

clas, would i kid you ? go ahead. check up on me...

and for the record, i kinda wish you would lay off pete so he would post cool stories here as well. i met him here at the raleigh show and there was not a SHADE of pretense to this guy. he AND shari. a total class act. this page deserves yours and his presence. just a friendly request...

this is not a test... the virus alert is not a test. thanx to clas for the early warning system. i vaporized the bitch without opening the file. zzzTTT !

gina gina gina ! i just KNEW you'd be back. thanks for posting the downbeat link and along those lines, tones will be interested to know that apparently emmylou harris gave the dynamic duo a run for their money with her "red dirt girl" album. her 30 to 2vn's 34. next was "outpost" by the incredible bela fleck(tones) who were cheated with a mere 16.

also tones, is that the NEW spearhead ? i have the first two but not this one yet. now those cats are the phattest. sd fans in search of top notch hip hop pay heed. just like the "introducing" dj shadow i spun last night. definitive.

mc, sounds like you are doing well. for walter i would do tab and i hate tab.

i think we are beginning to experience guestbook therapy...

group hug replacing group smug ?

it's like chain lightning, it feels so good...

If anyone has a Dish Network System, there's a new channel
from VH1 called VH1 Classics. It shows classic videos from way
back in the 60's to possibly the 90's.

If anything, I can think of some videos that would qualify
in relation to SD.

Donald Fagen-New Frontier
-Tommorrows Girls
-Snowbound
-Century's End
Walter Becker-Down At The Bottom

If anyone has it, it may be channel 163. I may be wrong.
Now if there was a request line....

Blaise - Nice post.

First of all- Your kid looking like "the Mick" isn't a bad thing. Hopefully when he gets older he'll score with the ladies as much as Mick does.

Second of all- You're wrong about clASS. He's not an adult. He's a little freaking baby who happens to have an adult size drinking problem.

I dunno eLLe - PB was pretty hot.

My loved ones, i bring you Allah's blessing and some most unfortunate news. Five of my 23 wives have recently decided to sue me for divorce. Two to "find themselves" and three to find Ricky Martin's career. A few generations ago I would have been obliged to chop off their left hands. But now we are Westernized, civilized, and enlightened. Thus instead I must pay them large sums of cold, hard American currency, preferably in large denominations. Therefore, my dhildren, it is my sad duty to inform you that we, my OPEC brethren and I, are cutting production by 1 million barrels per day. This may result in a SLIGHT inconvenience for your 7 mile per gallon, high center of gravity, tire-blowing SUVs at your local service stations. Do not fret!...for you are the land of milk, and honey, and gas. Well, two out of three ain't bad! But rejoice! We have heard tales drifting from far away on the Scirocco wind that your bean-eating cowboys of West Texas are an excellent source of natural gas

I have sent letters of apology to your President, and some of my old friends in Houston who haved prayed to Allah that stable prices would fill their new football field while de poor people sleep with de shade on de light. We realize that with the Anwar Sadat field first lusted after by Jimmy Carter in the 70s (and who didn't lust and eat grapes and dates served by nubile belly dancers in the 70s?) closed by the Green Jihad and Gulf drilling halted to protect your many species of ferocious boy-eating sharks, our American friends have no where else to look but to the sight of our beuatiful and sleek Liberian flag of convenience oil tankers rising on over the energy event horizon to your nearest dusted and diesel port. Sailing takes me away to where I'm going...

did she say that "I" am a "dead ringer" for Pat Benatar??????????????
my goodness, that's quite the insult, I must say.
Pat Benatar whahahahahhahahaa, whateverrrrrrrpffffffffffffffffffft

Thanks St. Al for the thoughtful words on how you see your Guest Book and for the gentle hints to try to keep it civil.

2 Steely Dan related incidents. My 10 year old swears he heard Dr. Wu at McDonald's yesterday. I find it hard to believe, but there you go.

The other was, when I traveled to San Diego last weekend. I was channel surfing and noticed that there was an episode of a children's show, Between the Lions, explaining what Be Bop is and that Charlie Parker played it. They also gave a quick bio on him and mentioned that he was known as "Bird". Then they had a line about the fact that Be Bop is similar to Hip Hop. I thought that was pretty cool. Teach them young. :-)

Night all....

Band....

I thought *I* was Blaise.

t

F. Where is it? Getting late here, you know... I so do live for apologies. ;o)
Let me guess... you meant Duncan, not me, huh? Alright... but now HE's pissed off and you know how these brits are. Or is he? It's hard to tell sometimes.

Looking at it now, I do see that the kid has this Mick Jagger grin to him ON THAT PARTICULAR SHOT, sure. Maybe Mick Jagger strutting like a rooster there and pulling that face. Same restriction goes for me, btw. :0) Now let's see your hot stuff somewhere, anywhere, shall we, fine folks?
Or are you that shy and insecure?
Come on now...
No need to change anything here, Pat. I'm prepared to down with the kid for the sake of the community. WWHOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAA This way, using this format, even inhibited people such as our faceless friends finally get a chance to be heard, speak of whatever they feel should be a topic, however trivial it may often be, maybe even let off a little steam. It's all in good fun. And we'll have a chance to ridicule some more the belief they hold that their judgement calls, which are impossible to attribute to any defined being out there to speak of, have any truth value at all for others here.
And I don't think these folks should be paid any particular attention and their impact be taken for what it really is and should be: . But like the other one said, we like to see a good fight once in a while, someone put in his/her place, if we feel they deserve it and that feeling varies from one person to another. I know a lot of people have confessed to this. Getting myself involved in arguments or any intrigue online is getting old though, personally speaking, I've had my share, record shows, and I tend to avoid as much as I possibly can.
There's enough of that complex negative stuff on the wetside for the time being, thank you.
And Cara Mia, I'm not backing down, I'm putting nuances, touching it up, you see? ;-)
Of course, I'm always up for it. I'm just trying to be nice here.
ciao
P.S. Oh, in my opinion, Clas IS the guestbook in many ways, though. Been here forever. Everyone knows him or has tangled with him at some point in the past. He's most probably been blamed for more than his share of ill doings, as is often the case, representing this odd outsider figure (or scapegoat candidate, if you will) for other people here. A very colorful and talented guy with a unique perspective and impressive knowledge on various topics, including Steely Dan, words and music. His stuff has its moments of clarity and cuts through a lot of the bullshit with some style, I think. I'm all for that.
Now his beef with Pete Fogel... I don't quite understand but I don't think people do or should give credibility to unfounded arguments anyway. When people know better, they disregard the statements, simple as that. We're all adults here, right?
Nobody's really immune to that sort of nasty stuff, obviously.

that "btw..." was from me.

It think your last post would make a good addition to the faq.

howdy folks....good to be back....working for a living sucks! lots of time off coming up in August thanks to Goodyear's "inventory adjustments" though. : )

Clas & Dr.WarrenK....thanks for the feedback on Zoloft....I've split the 50mg dosage to half in the morning and half in the evening and the side effects have all but subsided....barely in the theraputic range but I feel better and am not having the side effects....not too shabby.

Clas & others....can't wait for the Michael McDonald DVD to come out! I pre-ordered my copy and am really looking forward to seeing the performances....one note, this DVD is coded Region 1 for the US, I'm not sure if it will be available for other areas of the world....unless you have a multi-region DVD player, you may want to make sure this version is compatable with your area.

been hung up on Walter's "Junkie Girl" and "Book of Liars" all day today....love the demo versions of these tunes! I do hope Walter eventually decides to release another solo album.

steviedan....I picked up the issue of Guitar Player today with the "Jack of Speed" solo and mini-article with Walter in it....I'm going to try to tackle the solo when I get some time off next week....don't know how it will go....I've never been good at copying other peoples stuff note for note....I usually just try to get the flavor of the original and play what comes naturally to me....it should be a fun little experiment though! Thanks for the tip!

jjflash....I didn't do anything to those hummingbirds but stand back and snap some pics....there must have been 30 or 40 of them at the two feeders and they're quite territorial and a blast to watch!

Edd....loved reading the updates on your Feeder page! Starting year three now eh? It's funny you mentioned the chickadees because we hadn't been seeing very many and now they're everywhere! The trees were full of them when I got home today. And it hadn't occured to me that all those nappy little birds I've been seeing at the feeder were young ones who were still molting some of their down feathers. It seems obvious now. Opti heard and then saw the pileated woodpecker(s) again Monday while I was at work. She tried to get a couple of pics with the 35mm. We'll see how they turn out. From what she's read online, I think we have an adult pair that are raising four young ones. Seems the mama bird has two and the daddy bird has two now that they're gone from the nest. More info and hopefully some pics in the weeks to come.

and now my two cents....

I found this place back in early '96 before the Art Crimes Tour and thought it was the coolest thing to be able to talk to other Dan Fans about the music in general and the tour specifically. I stayed on through the tour but as things slowed down, I just quit coming until I started hearing rumblings of a new album and tour coming out. Then I started hanging around again and saw a few old faces and lots of new faces to talk with about the upcoming album and the upcoming tour. Now things have slowed down again but I can't see myself dropping out until the next tour/album. The reason is this; I actually got to know a lot of the people who frequent these pages in the months preceeding TvN and have spent time with them, partied with them, shared food, stories and music with them. I even got to jam with them! Both mine and Shirl's lives have been enriched by the people we've met here and for that reason, I won't be disappearing until the next tour. The core reason that most of us are here is the music of Steely Dan but the friendships that have grown out of that mutual love of the music is even stronger than the music itself. I don't mind scrolling past the bullshit to read the people I enjoy reading and getting to know the new folks that come along and share the same interests.

As for hoops! experimental GB, I wish him all the success in the world and think it's great that there's a forum for all things Dan that is moderated. A lot of people enjoy that environment and feel it's more on point and that they're more comfortable in it. Personally, as much as I love the music of Steely Dan, I just don't see being able to sustain a forum that is exclusively Dan or "tangentally Dan". When Walter, Donald or Steely Dan aren't actively and openly doing something musical, it's nice to be able to talk about whatever interests the community as a whole. We can post about whatever we like here and it leads to some interesting discussions. If it's something you're not interested in, all you have to do is scroll on by. That's the beauty of this place and that's what will keep me coming back. I hope Pat never changes a thing here.

I would throw a Dennis Miller in there and say "but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong" but I'm not. I'm right about this one.

And no, this is *not* the Zoloft talking! LOL

MC

That's why it's yellow"

Firesign 4ever.

hey tonez :-) just caught this glimpse on my way offline.
Caldera's Time & Chance and yes, mr Larry Dunn all over the place, including Alex Acuna on the ever so mighty drums and Dianne Reeves in the choir on a song called Shanti. Year? Must be around 1978-ish? I know your Sky Islands is pre this one ..

About the variety in guestbooks.
*Matt and Amanda have the Immaculate Pages, very cool lay-out .. enjoyed checking it out and Google puff engine only needed me to type Matt and Amanda and there it was!
*Majordudette requeste Hoops to drop the word "Experiment" on the Blue Book and she is most likely right!
*This yellow one isn't as pale as it appeared to be.
*(to my knowledge) Last but not least, a Dreambook that has changed each time you visit there, not just colors, but also well, if the host wants more visitors i guess he will spread the news himself?

This been running thru me head:
LN Arson - I lurk

And that Downbeat Magazine Steviedan was enthused about, really worth checking out www.downbeat.com the online version.

Is it Rumbledethumps feeding us some wise men and quotatiousness?

"some say you are reckless"

A swirl swoon for Aja and a ...
Bandom Tree Bow today!
Gina

St Al- Amen. Right on the ball. I think the last day or two has seen a lot of wierd posts from a lot of people who fit the contents.

These posts can only be made by drunks and crack sniffing LSD
drinking fools. They could also be made by the following
members of what I would call the Beelzabub Club:

Michael Bolton, N'Sync (who have another CD out, just to annoy us more), Kenny G., Eminem, Right Said Fred, publicists for Michael Jackson, Kathy Lee Gifford, Bryant Gumbel, Mark Burnett
and anyone who came up with the idea for Big Brother.

Let's stop these stupid posts and come up with a level of intelligence.

You got the time and "I've Got the News."

St. Al - thanks for breaking it down. That's exactly why I'm still here... for better or worse...

Btw, do you think there will be any beer at that "nails on the blackboard" fest? Actually, having a pretty high pain threshold, I could probably sit through *most* of those bands, however Loverboy and I don't mix. eeewww...
Btwbtw, I'm mega jealous about WOMAD. Let us know if PG whips out any new material.

G-naaaaaa - good to see/feel your presence back 'round here. And thanks for the kind, mutually felt, words. Orange Caldera? Which one? What year? Is Larry Dunn's (Earth Wind & Fire keyboardist) name on it?

stevied - great news about the Downbeat awards. But it was almost unfair: who could have possibly touched 2vsN? That's not a retorical ?, btw...

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tones' recent tones: Eno/Schwall - Drawn from Life, state-of-the-art funky ambience, featuring a personal dream-come-true guest vocal from Laurie Anderson...

African Travels - booty shakin' tribal electronica from various sources

Spearhead - "Gil Scott-Heron" for the G.W. era. The revolution may not be televised, but it might be broadcast on NPR...

back to the day job thingy

extra cheese

t

i'm off to see Dead man walking next week
Mike peters (the Alarm)
Glen Matlock ( sex pistols)
Kirk Brandon (theatre of hate)
Pete whylie (mighty wha)
should be good No?

Blaise- e me. I drafted a lengthy response/explanation/apology which I intended to post, then re-read [something I usually don't do], and decided to send under the table to you if you will have it. You can decide to post it here.

I am computer illiterate, have an old Mac that crashes at the drop of a hat too flat, and couldn't do you any harm if I wanted to- though, as you might find, I didn't want to.

F

Here here StAl.

It's a fad the anon's will pass as with the bitternes & back biting.
Steely Dan's music & the feelings that it envokes will stay forever in the hearts & minds of all who have heard it.
After that there is definately no going bach.
I can swear to that.
D

"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."
--Kierkegaard

i can't say much because i've been on-topic and off/on with it as much as i have been off-topic and off/on with that, interesting to some, boring to others, taken on obscure characters from the love boat/hollywood squares as well as loony tunes, taken on an alter-ego that some prefer to me (!), pissed off a few, pointed out inconsistencies and irrationalities to others as well as playing with the irony of the moment often which fuels fires others started or as a commencement to a fire, made a few very cool cyber-acquaintances and yes even genuine bona-fide friends too, met some in real life and love it, met others very closely off-line and in chat and love that too, attempts were made to victimize me, other attempts too racy to mention here, all in all, i'm happy i came a year ago and don't plan on steppin out anytime soon, if i hadn't stepped in, i wouldn't have met the likes of some of you here (i won't list, i did that last week and missed a few) and i would not have been opened to other bands, the meaning of some of the lyrics, what a guitar riff is, or what a bridge is

thanks st al!

St. Al--- you said it. Clas(shole) is an asshole; period. The end. Neeeeeeeeeeext!

Ok, in light of recent events I somehow feel compelled to defend myself in this public forum as opposed to a direct communication with Clas...

Clas (and everyone else) -- Here's the deal. You're wrong, very wrong. Do not try to minimize the past events, specifically on the Fogel topic, but even in general. I do not have the time to plow through the previous postings on this subject, however you have been unreasonably brutal in your attacks on Mr. Fogel. Pete is a good person who means no harm to anyone. You simply have no idea of how good a person he is, and how incorrect your analysis is. But it's WAY more than that. Ever since you arrived on the GB scene you've been a constant irritant to some people. For whatever reason *some* people really dislike your presence on this guestbook. Many have e-mailed me and asked me to step in and "do something about that guy."

However, I don't agree. When you started attacking Pete it certainly pissed me off, but otherwise I WELCOME your presence on this book. Sure, you may rub some people the wrong way, but that is their problem to deal with. This is an open public forum. Your postings are regularly "on-topic" and relevant. I've had personal communications with you and I've even talked with you on the phone. I have no problems with you on a personal level. In fact, I look forward to the day we actually have a chance to meet and chat.

You see, I fully understand the Jekyl and Hyde mentality one can exhibit when dangling their feet in the Internet pool. The level of anonymity afforded allows the ability for people to take counterpoints, argue, debate, threaten, whatever, without the risks associated with normal human interaction. The only way to really combat this is to moderate the forum like Jim's guestbook, the Digest or a Yahoo group. I've specifically avoided applying this type of control on the SIS guestbook, and, for the most part, I feel it's the reason why it's been so successful AND frustrating. Should I "do something" about Clas? No. Does it make me mad when I see some jackass direct a post at Blaise, taking aim at his kid? Sure, you bet. Should I delete posts that are nothing more than a personal attack on an individual, like in the case of Lady B's (ex)husband's rant?

Hmmm, that's where it gets dicey. It's a tough call sometimes, but most of you know my position on these matters. Sticks and stones, baby. These are just words, albeit, at times, brutal words. I suppose the one thing that does bother me about all this is when the guestbook turns into nothing more than a bunch of completely useless one-liners that has absolutely no bearing on any topic at hand. And not just that, but when this type of behavior drives good people away from this forum because it simply becomes an uninteresting stream of stupidity. But I can’t be too bothered because I *could* directly influence some of these issues…

The WHOLE reason I chose Clas to "pick" on was simply to illustrate my point. One person openly accused me of being hypocritical because I jump on one person, yet I let Clas "get away with murder." Perhaps now you know why.

I've been frustrated recently with the signal to noise ratio. The noise is winning and has been for quite a while (with obvious exceptions). "Regulars" come and go (and lurk)-- that’s a given. Steely Dan tours once every 3-4 years. The well quickly runs dry when all you drink is Steely Dan. That too is a given. In the meantime we have to entertain ourselves.

Who’s gonna start?

StAl

not here stupid, there!

Round here it's always yellow.

You act like a big shot but you're really a dummy
They want your blood they want every drop
Bop 'til you drop
Bop 'til you drop
Hey!
You tried and tried but you're a flop
You're thirty five still pushing a mop
No time to cop do the cretin hop
Bop 'til you drop
Bop 'til you drop

I didn't mean the WOMAD tour was the same line up as '83 but rather the deep woods red neck all-stars line up St. Al noted. Take photos at both shows St. Al.

GE

Stop dissin' on my boy Pat Travers. How many of those other bands ever covered a Steely Dan Tune? How many could? Besides, most of those bands were one hit wonders and Pat Travers never had a real hit.
I think this WOMAD show is about the same line up I saw at the US Festival in 1983. Yikes! The hi-lite of that show was seeing your second favorite band, the Grateful Dead at 9am on day three. They called it Breakfast in Bed with the Grateful Dead. Didn't I see you dancing in the mud that morning?

When you go St. Al, take lots of photos.

Peace

GE

yes but st al, at least the music was better at the steely dan shows - that line up is too damn funny and the location sounds like a hoot! i wish i had a few more frequent flyer miles or i could score a free ticket to get out there - have fun trying to put that on hoops' listbot, the program will likely blow up, lol.....

That sure felt good yesterday!

I've got a great idea for a Northwest Danfest. Since our beloved Steely Dan wont be touring anytime soon, I saw what is surely to be a concert of epic proportions, occurring in a little logging town north of Seattle.

Here's the lineup. I shit you not:

Sat 08/18/01 38 Special
Sat 08/18/01 Dr. Hook Feat. Ray Sawyer
Sat 08/18/01 Goose Creek Symphony
Sat 08/18/01 Molly Hatchet

Sun 08/19/01 April Wine
Sun 08/19/01 Loverboy
Sun 08/19/01 Pat Benatar
Sun 08/19/01 Trooper

Can you dig? 2 days of "music," camping in a dusty old field, watching 40 year-old drunks stumble around looking for their lost youth, and listening to what is arguably some of the shitiest music to come out of the 80's. The only one missing is GE's favorite -- Pat "Boom-Boom" Travers. This, of course, excludes all the electronic crap-bands and hair bands that made the 80's so forgettable...

Ok, I admit, I've got a soft spot for Molly Hatchet. Funny thing is the camping in a dusty field and the 40 year old drunk part sounds like some of the Steely Dan shows I've been to...

Countdown to WOMAD: 4 days. Yahoo!

StAl

no, you shut up!

Oh Gina...SHUT UP!

Can't help but second Steviedan in his presence and thanks to LP and further down the road Howard for the url, my laptop however handicapped so it couldn't open the file. Did run the tool and saved it somewhere after it saying all was fine.

Blaise, sometimes they say what you fear the most will come and haunt you and from what i've read here that's what happened to you. Eerie how these rules of the universe work out. But let me take a counterpoint in this, it's scepsis versus trust. Don't give in to the darker vibes apparently trying to mess things up.
There's always a lesson in it somewhere accounting for one's own responsibility for actions. You know you're a passionate soul in raging or calm waters, whatever the hand of life dealt when a day breaks .. Scepsis and trust. One shouldn't run the cycles so the mind can prove itself right. Cycles are there to be broken. So is trust, ofcourse. But that just a risk you got to take, no?

As if someone's keen on selling straightjackets, could it be a conspiracy?

hi there |||||, your glasses or should i say cheaters made you find yet another jewel amidst the pearls before the swines .. it rings a bell vaguely but am now itched to explore that.
makes me also think of Billy Strayhorn and Ole's euforia after having read the biography. his name was like magic and mystery all because of one composition, Lush Life but no-one around where i live could shed a light. Rickie Lee Jones sang it, even Donna Summer, lots of instrumental takes as well. that's what i liked about the GB, people sharing their interest in music and spreading the words and ideas and elevate when reading a biography or following someone's advice.

some of the people reading here and there think of me as being self-involved, carrying faux intentions, desperate for an audience whatever ... my question, if you feel i am all of that, why not prove the oppostie yourselves and contribute to this particular website instead of lurk and form opinions? share a thread of communication, don't tangle yourselves up in neggy vibing those who post here?
where i live it's quite normal to talk to people, strangers even, friends about what's on your mind. it is called conversation and communication. and yes, after all what's happened here online i do come to the conclusion i am a better person than some, i have grown and am not consumed or stuck in a world where negative views and eerie feelings rule. so my conscience tells it's justified awareness. and those people are not even in the masses.

people who are famous or have jobs for the public eye to watch them have encountered and do encounter reactions like that. they just step over it, like St. Al suggested and sometimes they even don't. i'm not in that league, like most of us aren't and because of my short legs, i am tempted to step into it, perhaps because they said it's good for the skin. it peels off callus, then stings some but in the end you're like ten, no, even twenty years younger!

T for tones, you should dominate whatever rap is going on here on the GB, because when you post a little more than your usual 6, 7 lines you show great insight in all kinds. so don't refrain on your T-talking here!!!!!!!

i don't think much of many people because they often turn out to be backstabbing, frustrated and who knows, poorly fed. some hide behind the bliss of ignorance or pretend oblivion, even. and most probably don't really care.

some do. some care. some love this particular guestbook, its history, it's initial goals. why not just cut the crap?
be open, talkative, communicate.

Banyan Tree Bow,
Gina

now my MIS guy is REALLY mad at me, hmph.....

Clas- If anybody should know what "way over the line" is... it's YOU pal!

Howard, Clas et al.: How right you are. I had previously heard about the virus at work. Evidently a number of names besides Mike or me are used. Sure enough, I received a similar e-mail yesterday. from a vixen named Amanda. I deleted mine, though Macs rarely get those viruses created on PCs (like catching a cold from a cat or vice versa. In fact the first Mac virus occurred as late as 1996. The type of poor English syntax in the text is characteristic of a "yellow peril." Indeed, watch out folks!!!

You know, I usually pop in here before opening Outlook when I get to the office and the ONE DAY I don't, I open a file from Clas and completely fall for it - dammit!!!!! Thanks Howard for the url, I went there immediately and it says it worked, they deleted three files and reworked a few more - so I will repeat your message: if you get something from me today, people, delete without opening the attached file; but, if you, too fell for it - go here:

http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html

Happy Wednesday, what a way it started too.....cripes!

”Clas wanted my advice on Arafat, of all things.”

This is getting better and better.

Is this the Brain Dead Summer?

It's hilarious.

C

Holy shit! It's like an UFO or something.

Orson Welles couldn't have done this better.

C

Into the latest turmoil on this board, let me place a "Thank you" to whoever recommended John Klemmer a long while ago. I think it might have been Chere. I bought one of his albums, music from 1969-1970, I believe. Nice stuff.

It's good advice to read this page first, BEFORE you check your mail.
Thanks for the warning, guys.

I found it suspicious that Clas wanted my advice on Arafat, of all things. No brainer where that comes from, if you ask me.

"I send you this file in order to have your advice"... yeah right...

cimb

It's the first time I experience this kind of stuff, weird.

Thanx for the link Howard, I check it up.

(I usually delete every mail that I can see is an Ad or someone asking for money or so, but this thing, well, I went right down the trap)

C

Clas - bad news about the virus. I received over 20 copies of it over the last few days, but smelled a rat and deleted them all.

General warning to all, ANY email that arrives and starts:

"Hi! How are you?" and ends "See you later. Thanks"

treat as suspicous, especially if there is an attached file.

the text may also say one of:

"I send you this file in order to have your advice"
"I hope you can help me with this file that I send"
"I hope you like the file that I sendo you"
"This is the file with the information that you ask for"

If you get one of these, delete it straight away.

Clas, check out:

http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html

for more info. You should be able to miniise the damage if you follow the advice.

It seems that the virus grabs a random file from your disk, and mails it out to everyone on your address list. In some cases, it also does damage to your own files. The subject line of the email changes according to the file it attaches.

Watch out folks.

Howard

Should be: Anyone receiving and email FROM ME today, DELETE it.

C

Anyone receiving and email today, DELETE it without opening it. Strange things are happening in my in- and outboxes this morning. I got this email from ”Mike” (no idea who that one is), he asked for some advice, sent an attachment, I was stupid opening it. The ”Attachment was a list of hundreds of married couples, their addresses and stuff, mostly Canadian people.

Later on I found out my email, or the Outlook Express, had sent a couple of emails, on its own responsibility, so please, delete the email if it's from ”me”, or any ”Mike” asking for advice...

---

And scrolling down the avenue, after being away for two days, I can see that HEAVY, nasty things are going on.

---

Blaise - sorry to see/read that stuff, it's way over the line, it sure is.

the Stranger - I got your number, see you in Paris man! I told Lena about that Parisiette and she is growing lyrical...

C

stevie dan - oh man, I was seriously thinking, ”that guy is joking with me”. But there are/was such thing as a Gray Matter Response?

StAl - I am not attacking mr Fogel - I am just sitting here, very silent, wondering why he had to CHECK the envelope before he made that call up to mr Sample's room for leaving it back? 15 One Hundred Dollar-bills.

LisaN - have you seen by passport honey?

Blaise - be cool man.

C

Ian Hunter, Ringo & Chums...

line up includes; Ian Hunter (guitar) - Roger Hodgson (guitar) - Greg Lake (bass) - Howard Jones (keyboards) - Shiela E. (drums and percussion).
ianhunter.com

Sounds great ?

San Nicolas tiene el culo par atras,
Miro lo bien y tu lo veras.

Simmer down now!

(or for you SNL freaks out there: Simma Donna!)

Aus

"No doubt there are other important things in life besides conflict, but there are not many other things so inevitably interesting. The very saints interest us most when we think of them as enganged in a conflict with the Devil."
--Robert Lynd, The Blue Lion

i've got to agree with st. al. pettiness seems to be at an all time low. no discussion at all of the honor bestowed on sd by the downbeat critics. if any of this shit was even funny it would have some redeeming quality, but as it is these infantile insult volleys are just sad.

guess what ? some of us just continue to ignore you as much as possible and you WILL NOT KILL THE GUESTBOOK ! we've seen alot better and worse. there are still good intellegent folks here, but the rest of you need to reflect on your motivation and need to be such UGLY PATHETIC HUMAN WASTE. your self perceived cleverness is not apparent to anyone else. it's just sad.

not going anywhere

steve barbour
barbourmusicbox@aol.com

thrown out of chat by my computer twice now sigh, it just wasn't meant to be - alas david, paige, cyn. guest5, face, i guess i must go home - it keeps making these thinking noises then freezes up - maybe my inbox is little too full (hey, is that a joke?)

so, tell me, what does chain lightening mean again?

chat anyone??? romper room is now open for whinning...

LOL

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!

My 12 year daughter has more class.

If you want to chat slither your asses into the chat room otherwise cut the crap.

StAl

"Charm School"???? Please, dear - you're showing your age!

Have another Charms Pop, Cyn...

Classics never go out of style, but I guess they don't teach that at Trailer Park Charm School, Do they? Sherrie.

Firesign Theater???? That's so over the hill...just like you!

Have another Xanax, Cyn...

What are you going on about, Cyn?
Stop talking to yerself.

How can you be in two places at once, when, You're nowhere at all?

Don't Crush that(anon) Drawf, hand me the Pliers!

Better a peg-leg than Blaise's camel-toe.

Why would she want a peg leg?

Cyn, have my third leg...

Cyn have another leg.

Look St.Al, Leggggggg Upppppppppp! Way up and over the shite!

"The artist is a recepticle for the emotions that come from all over the place: from the sky, from the earth, from a scrap of paper, from a passing shape, from a spider's web."
--Pablo Picasso

wise up or wise ass
wise men or wise women
wise guy or wise the sky blue?

"aa" is a figment of your (collective) imaginations.
he is the "alan smithee" of the guestbook.

"it's not
what you thought
when you first began it
you got
what you want
now you can hardly stand it, though
by now you know
it's not
going to stop
til you wise up..."

Acid Tate - maybe you can get a job writing comedy for Carrot-top!

Not twat bitter, not twat sweet.

Believe me when i tell you don't take the brown acid. It came from the nose srapings of Sharon.

aa never left.

hey, i love acid...

But amino acids are okay.

Please do not bring back aa.

He is trying AA.

Cyn have another sieve.

And I feel sorry, too - for your liver!

Sixty and seventeen.

SS tsk tsk tsk.
I actually feel sorry for u.
It's ok it will pass

My English is more better now

By the way, Drunk-can - have you tried AA yet?

Does Liverlips have a camel toe? Or does he just "tuck" it?

WOW, this book sure was burnin' yesterday and today. Made for inter....esting reading.

jj... No, Wild cherry is not the same as wild pear.This berry is very toxic to horses. I have friends who before they put up pastures make very sure they have killed all the wild cherry around them.

Jimmmyyy...The pony swim started after the town of Chincoteague had a horrible fire which devastated it back in the 1920's. They used the proceeds from the auction to buy fire fighting equipment. The fire company eventually bought the Asseteague Ponies and began maintaining the herds.
This is the 76th year of the "swim" and they expect about 40,000 spectators.
The story of the little girl(and her 500.00) is true. At last years auction Mark Miller (lead singer for the group, Sawyer Brown) paid 7,500 for a foal. A new record.
A few people will buy a foal, then release it back to the Island.
First foal to reach dry land in Chincoteague is crowned King or Queen Neptune, and is auctioned off to benefit the fire company's Ladies Auxiliary.
Just a few years back one could bid and win on a foal for just a few hundred bucks. Adverage price now is 2,000.

eLLe...HOLD THE FORT, SISTER!!!! I'm bringing in the ammo..LOL

Madonna on AB FAB ????? Say It Ain't So !!!!!!!!

Blaise- Be careful. We might have to Kinky to beat you up again! LOL

After reading the SD story in B.Sweets book 11TOw now make's me want to cry....

After reading the SD story in B.Sweets book 11TOw now make's me want to cry....
IS this normal.
So much for my big DEBue

Oh hesh.

I think somebody's already mentioned it but the who have already covered the same ground in tommy.
Keith Moon.
R.I.P.
CheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssMaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Duncan (Not Fiddling about)

My favorite part of EGTTM is the da-do-da-do riff at the end, so sly, so cool, image of a guy walking into the sunset with an ever so slight skip in the step (or was that a hop from that bad leg), holding a can of pabst blue ribbon and a set of car keys; sorta like the dirty old man looking for kicks while the 'rents are away that the song is about, dammit!

stop it blaise, you are feeding their frenzy and victimizing yourself in the process - let's go hang out at Chips' place again.....

he...

hey elle, didn't see you there through all the smoke in this room, and it's cloves they're smokin', which make me barf, great.

Easy Easy Easy Tigers!!
As Don says you don't have to listen to the lyric's long as you just dig the music.

EGTTM. I think it's about babysitters & nothing to do with the pic's As MrL seems to have been left in charge of the kids I think @ home

''We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight ''
I do hope he's not talking about the size of his penis there.

Linda asked me to get some posters for Dan's room @ the weekend, Colouful / letters / numbers i.e.
The periodic table I bought bright colours letters & numbers
Why Linda wouldn't let me put it up I'll never know.

P.S. there is an element called Fm & it's a heavy metal.
Spooky coincidence PtIII

Cheers to everybody great entertainment today !!!

I work hard & today people where looking @ me strangely Laughing @ my monitor.

Keep it up.
eLLe thank god you're in my corner.

Last thought of the day.....

Anyone anon can post something Funny, witty, insultive but when you use a handle or post under your own name it takes time to EARN the respect of the GB.
You're talking to friend's you never knew you had there.

Failing that Anons go outside & play on the motorway………

Duncan
(Anglia-Ban-Joe)

lay down.

Would you mind doing the rest of my thinking for me? Btw, does the word "soon" maen anything to you? How about the word "hypocrite?"

"You dumbasses can't admit when you're wrong."

"Just because someone dumber than you put up a page doesn't mean that's the one and only meaning."

You'd make a great politician. Well, not a great one. More like one of our "elected" ones...

Let's see it.

yea check yoself Homer yo! u broken.
u ma biatch now!

I might be Fifty! But tell me - have you ever seen a finer camel toe?

St.al:Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is the way we made it.(FZ)

Do what you wanna. Do what you will. Just don't upset your neighbour's thrill. And in the end try to leave a little tip and help the next poor sucker on his one-way trip.(Also FZ)

Kids if you want some fun
(KIDS)
Mr. LaPage is your man
(MAN)
He's always laughing, having fun
(If you want to have fun too, come play with Mr Lapage)
Showing his films in the den
(films in the den -- Stag films)
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
(You're still a child)
I think you know what I mean
(This isn't any kiddie game we're going to play, I'm going to treat you like an adult)
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
(They'll have me arrested)
They'll never know where you been
(It'll be our little secret)

CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last

Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
(Trust him)
Right down the hallway with open arms
(He cares for you, see?)
To teach you a new game to play
(Sex)
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
(the folks will be home)
Bobbing for apples can wait
(Let's play a grown-up game)
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight
(A low quality Stag film, Not a high quality production like you're used to seeing at the movies)

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
(Ever seen a grown man naked?)
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
(Get undressed, get comfortable)
Start the projection machine
(On with the pornos!)

CHORUS

Normally I would say that's quite a stretch there, to infer that that was what I was saying, but I understand that you're a desperate man without a leg to stand on, and you want to make ME out to be a bad guy. But it's YOU who insists on clinging to the whole molestation angle, even arbitrarily making the "kids" younger than implied. Check yourself, dude.

Now except for the sixty year old, this is what I like. Though you guys still have a long way to go.

George W. Bush implanted with brain pace maker

July 13, 2001 | WASHINGTON --

In the second White House health scare in little more than a
week, doctors Wednesday night implanted a sophisticated
pacemaker in President Bush's brain. The device, known as
an implantable cranial defibrillator, or ICD, continuously
monitors and records the president's brain waves. When Mr.
Bush's brain activity becomes dangerously slow for a chief
executive, the device delivers a mild electric shock, jolting
the president back to a relatively active mental state.

"I feel good," the president told reporters several hours
after the operation. Bush then twitched noticeably. "I mean, I
feel well," he said. Doctors say the implant is performing
flawlessly, although they're trying to limit the number of
shocks Bush receives to fewer than 100 a day. The surgery
came barely a week after Vice President Dick Cheney was
fitted with a device to regulate his irregular heartbeat.

The White House portrayed last night's medical procedure as
an "insurance policy" against further problems for the
president. At a news conference at George Washington
University Hospital, where the operation was performed,
doctors downplayed the seriousness of Bush's condition. The
periodic electric jolts from the implant, physicians say, will
have minimal effect on the president.

"His hair is not going to stand on end," said chief surgeon Dr.
Alan J. Thayer. "Well, maybe a little." The president, looking
tired but fit after his operation, said that the device will help
him function better as a world leader. "The American people
need to know that their president is equipped to handle a
trouble spot like Slovenia," Mr. Bush said. "Serbia, I mean
Serbia," he added, his head jerking violently.

Bush has an extensive medical history of moderately impaired
thinking and reasoning, dating back to the 1970s. Doctors
have long noted that the president's thoughts easily become
confused, and that his public pronouncements often
deteriorate into a tangle of mispronunciations, faulty logic and
bad grammar. Although Bush's condition wasn't serious
enough to prevent him from running for president, or from
winning the state of Florida, doctors say his condition has
deteriorated significantly in recent months.

The president's brain wave activity dipped dangerously low
during his recent trip to Europe, and stopped altogether at
one point during a meeting with Russian president Vladimir
Putin. The Russian leader was unaware of any change in Mr.
Bush's condition, officials say. Yesterday, the president's
doctors subjected him to a battery of mental tests to assess
his risk of developing a potentially fatal "zero brain wave"
pattern. Once the risk was confirmed, surgeons decided to
implant the electronic device, which acts both as a pacemaker
and a defibrillator.

The pacemaker component is programmed to speed up the
president's thinking when it becomes abnormally slow. The
defibrillator can shock his brain back to a normal state if
Bush's thoughts become "too fast," although doctors say that
the chances of that happening are remote.

The device that doctors sutured to the base of the
president's cerebellum is known as a Medtronic Gem IV DR
model. (There were some problems with an earlier model,
which had to be recalled by the manufacturer.) Such devices,
once the stuff of science fiction, have become an increasingly
common tool in modern neurology. Hundreds of prominent
Americans have been fitted with so-called mental pacemakers
in recent years, including actor Adam Sandler, TV personality
Mary Hart, Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, singer
Britney Spears, Rep. Gary Condit, D-Calif., former vice
president Dan Quayle, and the entire board of directors of
the now-defunct Pets.com. Some of those who wear a mental
pacemaker expressed hope that the president's condition
would raise public awareness about their circumstance.

"This may turn out to be a blessing in the skies for all of us,"
said talk show host Maury Povich, who was fitted with one of
the first Medtronic devices four years ago. Mr. Povich
trembled violently from head to toe before adding, "I mean
disguise, disguise, for God's sake, turn it off."

Bush has been advised to avoid deep thoughts for a few days
to give the device a chance to settle in place. Doctors say the
president so far has cooperated fully with the
recommendation. Bush has also been told to alternate holding
his cell phone against his right and left ear so the implant
receives equal doses of radiation from each side. And the
president will have to run at full speed whenever passing
through White House metal detectors.

Several congressional leaders privately expressed concern
about the president's medical procedure, coming barely a
week after Cheney was fitted with a device to regulate his
irregular heartbeat. But Bush dismissed the worries, stating
that the Bush-Cheney team is "more fit than ever" to lead the
country. "You'll find no healthier duo than Dick Cheney and I,"
Bush said. The president hesitated, as if waiting for a signal,
and when none came, broke into a toothy grin.

weeehahhahhahaaaaaa ; )

I didn't mean to scare and or offend any regulars or newbies around here, EXCEPT for "the pompous dork formerly known as 'The Truth'", who can call a bunch of people morons and jerkoffs for having a different but *informed* opinion than his, but isn't man enough to retract said insults when their opinion is validated. Of course, I really didn't expect an apology anyway. It was just a challenge, and one he obviously couldn't handle.

Now that his lack of integrity has been demonstrated, we can all have a nice chuckle when we see "The Truth." Now if I could just get rid of this mental picture of the dork sitting around with no underwear on...

50?
five-oooh?
what?
me?
no mate, not me, I'm not 50
that's Sally O'Mally
hahahhaaaa !!!!!!

eLLe I know you have something to do with this and I think for a fifty year-old... I mean, really... no comment.

and hello Fretless
and hello jj
: )
it's a beautiful summer isn't it? : ))))

Hey Moron, the song isn't about a naive adult (like yourself) it's about kids being molested. You're obviously one of those guys that blames the kid for being molested. Why don't you post what you just wrote to a Parents of Molested Children's page. I'm, sure you'd be the hit of the party.

can I just say...
LMAO@LP
never mind the bollox- NMN
hi-MC
where are yah these days-Great Dame?
hey-StevieDan and Steveedan
ello-Duncan Donuts
hi danooo- hope yer havin fun mate
and regards to the rest of the kind folk here

just for the 'elle of it : ))))

Look out, Liver-lips is pissed! Take a Valium and eat a few froglegs, Homey.

Lumberjack Song

Composers: Terry Jones, Michael Palin, & Fred Tomlinson
Authors: Terry Jones & Michael Palin
Arranger: Fred Tomlinson
Lead Singer: Michael Palin
From the TV Series and featured on various albums

BARBER:
I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.
MOUNTIES:
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
BARBER:
I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.
MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He eats his lunch.
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shoppin'
And has buttered scones for tea.
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
BARBER:
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars.
MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars?!
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
BARBER:
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Papa.
MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He wears high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra?!
[talking]
What's this? Wants to be a girlie?! Oh, My!
And I thought you were so rugged! Poofter!
[singing]
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
He's a lumberjack, and he's okaaaaay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

Sorry but your credibility has no afterlife. Do you take off your underwear in someone else's "den" (which is being used as a theatre), especially someone you've just met? Are you that naive? Apparently your parents left you intellectually unarmed to deal with the world. I hope you teach your children better than that.

Btw, I'm able to admit the possible double entendre. You can't seem to grasp anything but your own myopic point of view, which makes it impossible for you to make any valid judgement as to what is real or not. There's your "truth".

Hey, Fretface Faceless has an opinion:
"I worry about some of the kids being held up in the nice photos... "
You want a war buddy, whoever the fuck you are, and you spit out stuff like this publicly, alright. I want names here, you understand, not irrelevant handles. You just gave me a hint alright, fratbrain. That makes up for your lack of email a little.I gotta tell ya, this is innuendo of the sickest kind I have ever come across anywhere and I have to ask that my picture be taken down next time you're in there, Pat, if possible. It speaks for itself. Seems like these newfound idiots, predictably, are unable to handle this in a mature fashion.
Thanks
See you around.

Fretless:A riot!! If I weren't supposed to be working instead of sneakin' in here every hr or so I'd join in.

Is'nt it annoying when people use guestbooks to promote their own crappy sites?We at www.ladyfriend.co.uk don't need to:we're quite happy to listen to our own sterling soundclips,look at our own handsome faces and read our self penned perverse literature.It's great fun.We also like the Dan so maybe there is some common ground and you should visit after all,love LADYFRIEND####

Well said, µ! No need for apology. Bobbing for apples can wait, indeed- put childish things aside and set right down [though the new game might be bobbing for LaPage's apple, no?]. Folks, read µ's post again. That's how it's done if there's to be any hope in the world. Lack of tolerance [heavy sigh to echo Hutch] causes wars... real wars. I worry about some of the kids being held up in the nice photos...

thank µ
F

And you retards spent too much time watching Monster movies, obviously.

Now all of a sudden you "remember" cheaters being referred to as a type of underpants.... OK, so why are you still insisting on your ridiculous glasses theory?

You say the "kids" in the song are closer to 18 than 8? "Soon" could mean anytime, even if said to an 11 year old. By the way do 17 year olds "bob for apples?" Well, maybe you did.

Blaise looks like the Frankenstein monster, but his baby is a spitting (pun intended) image of Mick Jagger.

Blaise looks uncannily like Boris Karloff's/Frankenstein's Monster in that photo, right down to the liver-lips.

Yeah and that's the even playing field we have now. These guys nobody can tell apart knocking the now vulnerable, known, picture id'ed, card carrying members like myself relentlessly.
Figures...

Name: µ


Date: Tuesday, July 24, 19101 at 08:52:50
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Alternative takes and double-entendres abound in Dan lyrics obviously. Just as obviously, what's wrong with this board is narrow-minded thinking an boad insults that simply aren't funny. My point was (obviously again) that cheaters as dark sunglasses has a basis in truth. Ergo, for the Truth to call something not true with no basis is the "Vyger effect" from Star Trek lore. Since Truth called those who disagreed with them jerkoffs - the pun was obvious - and I "grabbed" the opportunity. My apologies for inciting a mini anon riot which of course reflects on on them.

In EGTTM, the parents have gone to the matinee for a change instead of the kids/teens. Remember, they soon will be eighteen. and out in the hot sun. The movies were a very common entertainment for folks and an added draw was the air conditioning. Mr. La Page's friend like a Carnie announcer is beckoning the kids to come on in and see the show. Take those cheaters off and into the cool, DARK den. Remember, Dens with dark paneling, shag carpeting, and furniture were commonplace.

The double-entendre with the cheaters as underwear is certainly possible. It's funny - at least in my neighborhood in Illinois as a tyke, my very distant recollection of cheaters referred to underwear with absorbent padding that very young (like 3-6 yrs old) wore to prevent "dribbling." That would have been REALLY sick (throw in you Catholic priest joke here). But they are closer to 18 than 8. In other areas of the country and age groups the meaning could have been different. When we moved to the South, I never heard the term again until I bought Katy Lied.

Ooooohhhhhhh, look out for the Big Red Blazer! What a FREAK!

I CONFESS...I CONFESS... IT WAS ME.... I WROTE EVERY GHASTLY WORD EVER WRITTEN HERE THAT'S OFFENDED ANYONE. OH GOD, I CAN'T HELP IT. PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE IT GO AWAY. THE HORROR!!
(poetic licence courtesy of B.C. lumberjacks anon)

Thank you Mr. Lurker!

And buy the way mr. Know-it-all...How many 8 year olds do you see walking around wearing sunglass?

*** sigh ***

Whoever is the dipshit who keeps publicly hinting that I might be behind every shit post on this board and really, the others who know they are not "blaise" and yet leave it up in the air on purpose to cover their own asses -

Take care as to not leave me one clue as to who you are 'cause then, you'll become accountable for your bullshit here on a personal level and I promise you, I'll make it worth your while. Be advised.
Carry on...

I've only posted here a few times before but I have to weigh in on this one. I never knew that cheaters were slang for eye glasses.But, I can tell you this:

When I was about 6 six years old (1965) my mother used the term 'cheaters' all the time when she wanted my brothers and sisters to get out of bed and get going in the morning. "Come on kids, get up and put on your cheaters". Get dressed, you have to go to school. I remember this like it was yesterday.

thanks all for taking the test, great answers (all are right, btw, except the question marks) anyone else, just scroll down and copy/paste!

no med's btw, md, just way too much coffee, 2 wild kids at home, a frenetic career as a high ranking dog catcher, and, i firmly believe, not enough levoxyl - rumor has it you are in the bston area, would you join nmn, mark and i for lunch soon in town? i do think that prozac in the water supply would solve lots of social ills, and then to be devious, next day, NYQUIL - ahahahahahahaha....okay, back to my memo, back to my memo......

nmn: where you at?

ygk?

and i do think egttm is about a guy trying to molest young girls/boys, likely the kind next door neighbor the parents got to babysit the kids

chat tonight after my meeting tonight if anyone is interested, chatspace is superior to talkcity so i will be there

Admit when you're wrong already! Mr. Lapage is showing his films in his DEN! Not in a movie theater. Do you take off your underware in a movie theater? No. Do you take them off in your home? YES! You keep forgetting that Lapage is trying to seduce little kids not 25 year old adults. Man...you go ahead and post all the lyrics and you still DON'T get it!

Steveedan - got your Glamour Profession chart, thanks. Have played it through and done some listening to the original to collect my thoughts. Probably best to mail you with the detail, but a coupla quick ideas:

on the sequence leading to the verse (Cm9 Dmaj7) I hear another chord in the middle, a Gm9. Try 6 beats of Cm9, 2 of Gm9, then 8 of Dmaj7.

Also, on the intro (Am9 Bbm6 G7) I think the G7 needs a B in the bass, i.e G7/B.

This is a real gem of a song. Wonderful bass, great changes, cool piano solo. Love it.

Have enjoyed reading the different points of view on "cheaters" on EGTTM. It's a shame that different opinions can't be expressed without the need for name-calling though ...

Howard

Great some post's that make mine look good!!
All this negativity & Shiite wouldn’t have anything to do with the schools & collages being out for summer would it.
Nearly finished B.Sweet's book & will comment later.
Cyber fight club now that sounds interesting.
Duncan

jj - lifted from the official Dan page...

I've always had a parallel reference to this song: if "movies" represented the cinematic quality of the narrative in the Dan's music, each song being a movie, and I personalize the narrator to be Don & Walt, the song becomes an anthem...

Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage (Steely Dan) is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films (playing his music) in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen (old enough to get backstage - ok, so I'm having a little fun...)
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been

CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies (the concert, or on another level, refering to the device of singing in second or third person)
Now we're alone at last (in the context of the 1st person narration, now it's just you, the listener, and the singer)

Listen to what I say
He (we - the Dan) wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play (the new device of singing directly to the listener, and/or more...)
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late (we're going to stop touring soon, and you'll have to wait 18 years to see us...)
Bobbing for apples can wait (drop what you're doing)
We know you're used to sixteen or more (we used to be a bigger band...)
Sorry we only have eight (...but we're firing guys left and right)

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen (come to a show, party backstage. In the narrative context, "We're about to try something new...")
Take off your cheaters (underwear and/or sunglasses) and sit right down
Start the projection machine (the show's about to begin)

This song is a mission statement. Next comes the "new game", "Your Gold Teeth II", one of the most emotionally and lyrically direct songs the Dan had ever written ("...life is unreal." What else do you want to know?). One of their first pure jazz compositions (released anyway), it also pointed the way to the extended jazz forays later.

Here's a juju swirl and a dime dance for the girls...

how many other steely dan sites do you post at? ZERO
yellow, black, tiffany blue or white with alot of ads? WHITE SPACE, BABY
favorite anon: iMac
best guitar solo on an sd song: NIGHT BY NIGHT
best line on an sd song: USE TACT, POISE and REASON
best live sd performance (song, year and location): SOUL RAM at Little Junior's Palace, Bethesda, MD. 1969
first sd lp you brought (careful): Pretzel Logic
best cover of an sd song: Rikki Lee Jones does Jonathan Beasley without killing her Crew
worst sample of an sd song: Flagrant Pez dispensers doing "Flying Business Pigs".
what is being played on "home at last" starting 3:10, ending 3:30? Clas' Sternum Agony Review
how do you really feel about china hosting the olympics? I hope the whole thing backfires.
what do you think about stem cell research? Great. Now how about the seeds...
thoughts on glamour profession, words, music? It's the L.A. concession...
do you like steve winwood? ghandi? swedes? jean luc, or maybe jean luc ponty? mel torme? the influence of yoko ono? They all have outlived their usefulness.
best mike mcdonald back-up or duet? That one with Karen Carpenter.
jack of speed: donald or walter? I prefer Jack & coke.
do you think the aclu should be notified of this cookie controversy? Everyone but the blacks.
which synthesizer do you like the best and why? The Yamaha S-80 because Ed hates it.
what is the reference to cheaters mean in everyone's gone to the movies? Joe Walsh refusing to doff his briefs during the intermission.
best bar in niagara falls, new york? Larry's Lymph-Node
favorite native american tribe ZULU
what is tomorrow's weather forecast for san diego? Fair to partly shitty
prozac or lithium? thoughts on putting one in the public water supply? Hey, let's do it!
best neil diamond tune to dance to? santa claus is coming to town
your sign on the zodiac? Deaf

..wringing out and drying off.

I'm glad the "non-gender specific" was brought up. Now can you tell me if the latest posted lyrics are official? I've seen two versions in my searches:one says cheaters, another says Chinos(and you know which one I like). Did the box-set come with lyrics?

"I have ONLY heard the term "cheaters" to mean underwear. Just because someone dumber than you put up a page doesn't mean that's the one and only meaning."

You base "the Truth" on that? Guess you don't get around much. Beside,YOU were the one who couldn't accept the possibility of another definition.

If you read the lyrics of this song, look at how well it's written. The pornagraphy is only suggested, perhaps even moreso by Don's vocal delivery. The song isn't even *gender specific* as to whom is being seduced, which I believe to be intentional by repeated reference to the subductee(s!) as "kids", not "babe" or "dudes" for example. And the only way for someone to make the song gender specific is to define the word " cheaters" as a pair of *female* undergarments, when defining them as sunglasses would maintain the non-gender specific orientation of the song.

How one experiences art, or *choose* to experience art, often says more about you than the artist.

I'm willing to throw you a bone and concede that D & W were possibly playing on the double meaning of the word.

No. You take them off don't you. Or do you take off your underwear when you walk into a theater? Forget it, we don't want to know...

Sunglasses make more sense than panties, in that the narrator has come up to the nearly 18 year old "kids" on the street, and refers them to Lapage, who never speaks in the song. If you're trying to seduce someone you don't ask them to come in and take off their underwear. Not too subtle.

EVERYONE'S GONE TO THE MOVIES

Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been

CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last

Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine

CHORUS

Point is, careful who you call a moron, moron. You still owe us an apology. Until then, I'm tap dancing on the grave of your credibility.

... i'm not in it.

it occupies a quarter note triplet.

i like the marimba part.

OH WOW YOU MEAN YOU CAN ACTAULLY MAKE A WRBSITE?
man -oh -man -oh
-man I am so impressed and so humbled in your presence, and the thing is you're a friendly person that I ACTUALLY got to talk with!!!!!
wonders of all wonders

kinda cold up there in Endmonchuck, ain't it twinklebean?

That post from Oleander's site just proves that more than a few people have heard that cheaters mean underwear. And if you think glasses makes more sense in the song than underwear, then you are a MORON!

Hey MORONS! This is from Oleanders website: There is more than one meaning, but this one actually MAKES SENSE! Dork.

SD Bob (5/10/00): While reading others thoughts on this song, something triggered a long-lost memory. I was in high school from the mid to late 60's. In those days, the girls wore skirts or dresses, pants were not allowed. Under those skirts, many girls wore what I think are called Pettipants. Think of bicycle pants, but made of a silky or nylon material and you'll get the idea. I presume they were worn to prevent exposure of their panties on a windy day or during an "accidental" pencil drop by one of us guys in the classroom. Anyway, the guys didn't call them pettipants; they called them "beaver cheaters", for obvious reasons. I think since Don & Walt are about my age, that this is probably what they had in mind when they came up with the line "take off your cheaters and sit right down".

possibly ass, babe, possibly yoooOOOOOOOOOOoo
,

babe

... is the sound of a man rushing to create a web page with the definition of "cheaters" as "panties" in a desperate attempt to save face...

http://www.miskatonic.org/slang.html

Anyone calling themselves "the Truth" should know it when they see it, and have THE BALLS to admit they are *wrong*.

As of now, any credibilty you may have had is rescinded.

I meant "the asshole formerly known as 'the Truth'"

You wouldn't know the truth if someone gave you the url.

You need to change your handle to "deluded."

results of the esteemed downbeat magazine's critics' poll are in and it's a landslide !

"beyond" (i.e. not jazz, not blues, etc.) group of the year:

STEELY DAN (60 votes, runner-up had 33 !)

"beyond" album of the year:

2VN

TDWR (talent deserving wider recognition) jazz artist AND TDWR tenor saxophone:

chris potter

these are JAZZ CRITICS people and they are not easy to please in the "beyond" categories. this is a real kiss of legitimacy that sets sd apart from mere rock/pop music.

stevee & clas, the gray matter response board is most likely no longer available. stevee, my dx was one of the originals, sans the floppy. gray matter is not a card but a replacement circuit board which totally changes many functions of the instrument, including midi channel assignment. i am definitely not a tech/gear person. i am a note person. i never program sounds, i merely use presets that were loaded when the gmr was installed. even with ten banks of sounds, i only use maybe ten or twelve tops.

mc, thanx for the tip on the mcdvd. sounds great. hope they put a governor on patty labelle, though. left "on her own" she just goes... off.

happy anno dano. asthma, eh ?

steely sightings:

as i passed the "dr. joy brown" radio program, "gaslighting" was being used as segue music. the music guy must love it. she had begun talking for like 30-40 seconds and he was still fading.

at the local mars music store they have a musician's wanted bulletin board. among popular artists like britney, korn, pearl jam pictured around the border strip is a picture of walter alone. i guess he must be "steely dan".

Whoever posted that link to the slang page is a bigger idiot than I thought. According to that page, the slang meaning of cheaters is "eye glasses". Why would someone take off their glasses to watch a movie? MORON!

I have ONLY heard the term "cheaters" to mean underwear. Just because someone dumber than you put up a page doesn't mean that's the one and only meaning.

Use the link.

And post your apology here, if you're man enough.

We don't expect it.

Mu! Yeah you know she's 14 and according to your last post MISTER LAPAGE is African American and her childhood friend who just wants to play Doctor. Have you ever listened to the lyrics?

I knew it meant underwear ever since the song came out. You dumbasses can't admit when you're wrong. Lets see, what makes more sense to the story about a pervert that's trying to molest young children, sunglasses or underwear? Hmmm, that's a tough one. MORON!

And it's pretty obvious who the real pervert is.

You want truth?

Here's your truth, buttwipes:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dlarkins/slang-pg.htm

Now it's even more apparent who the real morons are.

You're welcome.

I didn't call you idiots/morons, but I will now...

Mu - Don't you know what the song is about?! Mr. LaPage is a pervert, a child molester, a grown man (MISTER LaPage). He is talking to children (Don't tell your mommy or daddy). Of course he's going to tell a little girl to take off her underwear (cheaters), he wants to fondle her. "Righteous 14 year old chicklet"? She's being molested, and how do you know how old she is?

Sunglasses? Puhleeeze!!

So is DelMar Wednesday?

Patti/"Truth" - You guys are the fucking idiots. Cheaters = panties? Yeah, right. Take those panties off your head and the *sunglasses* out of your ass, you fucking dumbshits.

"Cheaters" are African-American slang for "dark sunglasses." This was a term commonly used by jazz and blues artists. Donald, as a matter of fact, grew quite accustomed to them in the 70s and wore them recently to his "dissertation defense." Besides, no righteous 14 year old chicklet in 1974 would have taken her underwear off from underneath her little skirt and sat bare-assed down on SHAG carpet. ...especially if they knew English slang, baybeeee ...rrooowwwwrrrr

As promised, here is The Steely Damned review from their July 21st show. If you are not interested, please feel free to scroll on by.

The Scene: Got to the Catamaran right on time, around 9:20 P.M. As you enter the room, it has a slightly raised bar area with tables and booths. Further into the room is a large floor area with more tables and a small dance floor in front of the stage. The ceiling is either regular height or slightly low and that does effect the sound and lighting to a small degree.
The band was very laid back and you could tell that they were in their element and quite comfortable. The crowd was mellow and mostly sat at tables, unless they got up to dance. This was totally different then the event at Le Bar Bat back in March and even Love Bob commented on it, at one point. In New York, the audience just stands there and stares at the players in the band as they perform. No formal dancing at all. My husband sat at a table in New York and thus, could not see the band. He was very happy to get to watch them this time around. I, on the other hand, considered it a personal highlight to have stood up front watching them perform, with the likes of Oleander, W1P, Earthbound, Ed Beatty, etc. To each his own.

The Music: Much more focus on hits this time around, but a couple of surprises that they did not perform in New York. Any World (That I’m Welcome To) and Any Major Dude were both added and were fine with me. What totally blew me away though, was that they did 2 songs from Donald Fagen's Nightfly album: Green Flower Street and New Frontier. I have been listening to that particular album recently and they did justice to both songs.

Highlights: Too many to name, but any guitar solo by Hank Easton is worth the price of admission alone. That man just nails them all and then takes them beyond. Outstanding work. This time around I really noticed the drum work on Aja and it was truly a sight to behold. The sax work was great, too. The horns were so good that my girlfriend was upset when they took a well deserved break. Keyboards, percussion, anyone I missed, were all great. No loafers in this group, they all work their tails off. Of course, the vocals top it all off. Love Bob was doing a fine job and his background singers, Mark, Peg and another lady (who’s name escapes me right now) were keeping it real. 4 hours, 1 break and about 30 songs later, we were a tired, but happy crew. Thanks again for another unforgettable evening. Hope to see you again someday.

That I'm welcome to, is better, then the one I come from....

Patty- Thank You! Some of the people here are such idiots. I was wondering what they were thinking when they thought it was: "take off your (fake boobs) and sit right down" Yah, fake boobs were really popular with little kids in 1974 (and you could like remove them and everything!). MORONS!!!!!

What's wrong with you people? Sun glasses? Fake boobs? Sneakers? Chinos? Cheaters are UNDERWEAR! You know... as in beaver cheaters, panties, undies...

Make sense now? DUH!!

Color My World - Blaise is precisely the one that posts all this bullshit.

So somebody has it out for St. Al. Their strategy is to post as much basura as possible so that everyone with any sense will grativtate to the Blue. In this way they wish to render the yellow beside the point. The problem with their strategy is that once they drive everyone away, the only thing that will be left will be meaningless posts. Even they will tire and then the yellow will be ripe to be reclaimed. In the meantime, long live azul!

StAl- Thanks for the response. Oh, on that post, I guess you
might have missed the question I posted after my anti-reality
TV rant.

When Don and Walt got their doctorates, the students performed
a concert featuring their songs. I understand that they were supposed to be out on CD. Has that happened? If so, how do I order it?

"One death is a tragedy. A million deaths are a statistic." -- Joseph Stalin

"I am one, sir, that comes to tell you Cyn and elle are now making the beast with two backs"

"Know then thyself, presume not God to scan,
The proper study of Mankind is Man."
--Alexander Pope, "An Essay on Man"

"Sex with Cyn or elle requires a leg like mine" -- Hippopotamus

"Sex with Cyn or elle isn't worth pulling down my pants for." -- Unanamous

Love of Cyn or elle is an absurdity as well as a pigeon.

Love of Cyn or elle is an aburdity.

"Love is a scuffle with paparazzi" -- Alec Baldwin

"Sex isn't worth pulling down my pants for." -- Sid Vicious

"Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up."
--James Baldwin

The greater the number of laws, the corrupter the government. --Tacitus

Love of me is an inevitability.

Love of one is a barbarism.

"To our sweethearts and wives. May they never meet."
-- 19th century toast

"Choice of attention - to pay attention to this and ignore that - is to the inner life what choice of action is to the outer. In both cases, a man is responsible for his choice and must accept the consequences, whatever they may be."
--W. H. Auden, A Certain World

Blaise, is that you?

"I am here by the will of the people and I won't leave until I get my raincoat back"

"A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation." --Molière, The Would-be Gentleman

"I am one, sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs"

"Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards." --Aldous Huxley

Does anybody have a clue what the last two posts were about? You know, if the anons post something other than an attack on the GB or the posters, doesn't that make them a regular, maybe even an oldtimer?

Why not make your OWN multi-colored guestbook? It's all the rage, you know. I heard Blaise's new effort is going to be a cyber fight club. Sounds intriguing...

I want a guestbook with only the bullshit we see here without all the pathetic fellowshit, boring musical digressions and pretentious David Letterman ripoffs. Is blaise or anyone else creating one like that? Heck, where did the anons go?

"What are you? What am I? Nobody knows who anybody is. The data which life furnishes, towards forming a true estimate of any being, are as insufficient to that end as in geometry one side given would be to determine the triangle." --Herman Melville, The Confidence Man

in response to the test:

1. None
2. White
3. ?
4. So many. Reelin in the Years, My Old School, Show Biz Kids come to mind rigt away.
5. So, so many. Chrono. order. "You've been telling me your a genius ...", "Weekend at college" ,"Don't give a fk bout anybody else", "Lonnie was the kingpin ...","Any man left on the Rio Grande is the king of the World", "When my ship comes in", "I stepped upon the platform", "that fearsome excavation on Magnolia Blvd","Drinking his dinner from a paper sack", "Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day", "if the folks will have me, then they'll have me","Did you feel like Jesus", "Won't you sign in stranger", "Luckless pedistrian, I know your out there...", "I am bookkeeper son..", "done up in blue print blue, it sure looks good on u", "they gotta name for the winners in the world", "drink your big, black cow and get out of here",
I will stop. Many more especially the end of "Tommorrow Girls, your not my...."
6. Woodlands, TX, 2000, "Boston Rag" and "My old School"
7. Can't by a thrill, 1972
8. 1st, Ricki Lee Jones, "Show Biz Kids" ,Joe Jackson 2nd, "King of the World"
8. all the bootleg material
9. ?
10. agree w/ majordudette
11. not relevant to this line of questioning
12. Nice song, one of the best on Gaucho, hard to beat "Time out Mind"
13. Steve Winwood is tremendous, 2nd best concert behind SD.
14. MM's vocals on Pretzel Logic, NY rock & soul review
15. don't know, who "Jack of Speed" is. Great song
16. irrelevant to this line of questioning.

StAl- Yes, Bands on the Run was somewhat entertaining. I felt that the bands were much too similar however, with each having all the same things to say. Booze and sex. How much of that can someone take before feeling the need to change channels? Yes, Harlow sucked, surprised to see them on VH1 "quality" programing. Flickerstick might just stick around though. (no pun intended) I read a favorable review of them in the Boston Globe which also stated some performance dates in the area, so...who knows. Wow, I really have too much to say about this topic for only seeing it a few times. I almost never watch tv either so can't comment on the other reality shows. What I do watch is Saturday Night Live if someone wants to start a discussion on that...

...like my passwords for the lab machinery:fuck..king..nuts

hmmm, Pat and W1P have a sort of west coast alignment about the state of the GB union. And I can't say that I disagree (or is that a double neg?)

Regardless, I'd love to see, if for no other reason than creativity, a lot more of Aja, Altamira, Big Fan, Chere, Earthbound, Gina, Hank Silvers, Hutch, JW, KD, LBayside, RoyScam & Wormy, and others. There's a font of knowledge and ability there. A wealth of independant thinking. And I believe that is what Pat, in whatever web / world view you care to name, is encouraging, the ability to police ones self and contribute to the morass of a base knowledge without restriction. And barring ones' inability to work within some commonly held limitations, it works very well indeed. And is far from a deathbed.

security...so..us..up..

Is he going somewhere with this?

how many other steely dan sites do you post at? one
yellow, black, tiffany blue or white with alot of ads? yellow, blue
favorite anon: heyman (the philosophical ex-marine)
best guitar solo on an sd song: that means i have to think and i don't want to
best line on an sd song:"any minor world that breaks apart falls together again."
best live sd performance (song, year and location): only been to one performance. fave song was boston rag
first sd lp you brought (careful): do you mean bought?
best cover of an sd song: haven't heard many
worst sample of an sd song:
what is being played on "home at last" starting 3:10, ending 3:30? something that sounds like a melodica yet isn't.
how do you really feel about china hosting the olympics? i don't give a flaming fuck
what do you think about stem cell research? not cool at all, needs to stop
thoughts on glamour profession, words, music? best song on gaucho. music-love it, words- almost as good
do you like steve winwood? ghandi? swedes? jean luc, or maybe jean luc ponty? mel torme? the influence of yoko ono?
best mike mcdonald back-up or duet? minute by minute w/doobies. i love the doobies!
jack of speed: donald or walter? tough question
do you think the aclu should be notified of this cookie controversy? uhh...
which synthesizer do you like the best and why? EX7, do i really have to explain?
what is the reference to cheaters mean in everyone's gone to the movies? fake boobage
best bar in niagara falls, new york?
favorite native american tribe? choptanks
what is tomorrow's weather forecast for san diego? partly cloudy with a high of 73 and low of 64
prozac or lithium? thoughts on putting one in the public water supply? it can't be prozac "or" lithium, they're used for different things. prozac for depression and lithium for bipolar disorder. and no, putting either in the water supply would produce many wacky individuals, some who may eventually find their way to sites like these and then ask random questions like "should the aclu be notified of this cookie controversy?" We certainly do not need any more of this in the world. what meds are you on lp?
best neil diamond tune to dance to? the tune isn't coming to me right now, but i have one in mind
your sign on the zodiac? capricorn

what a test...

thanx lp for the kind words...

~md

I like the existence of yellow and blue. Yellow for the anarchy of free speech. Blue for the freedom of association. Blue allows you to associate with other SD fans w/o the BS you see here. Yellow allows you to sample the insanity of the world.

St Al - Agreed...Flickerstick kicked the other band's asses, and Harlow was a bunch of no-talent alkie-bitches. But NO ONE can compare to Reality TV Uber-cunt, Shannon Dragoo - queen bitch of Big Brother 2. This woman makes Jerri from Survivor II look like Mother Teresa...be sure to catch her impending melt-down as she is summarily ejected from the house this week!

FYI:Madonna is cameo-ing on the new AbFab episodes.

LP. If you're going to put something in the water supply, at least make it something fun.

Oh, and I forgot. To the Black Ice defender (no pun intended). You're just sore cuz you went out and spent money on a product that is generally considered mediocre. I'd be happy to point out a dozen or so articles stating this fact but I don't want to bore the fine folks here on this GB anymore than I already have...

Jimbo: I normally hate reality TV, but I agree, Bands on the Run was fun to watch. Even though the the best band (IMHO) was kicked off first, I was glad to see Flickerstick win it all. Although I must say I'd be surprised if we ever hear from any of the bands again. Or, at least, I'd be surprised if any had staying power. Soulcracker was noise and Harlow just flat sucked. I think the only reason they made it on the show was because they were a chick band. Any opinions?

Anon 9855, please stand up. Please stand up. Please stand up.

Jimbo - Big Brother 2 RULES!

did somebody say test?

okay, no chirping on this, this may be what we all need:

how many other steely dan sites do you post at?
yellow, black, tiffany blue or white with alot of ads?
favorite anon:
best guitar solo on an sd song:
best line on an sd song:
best live sd performance (song, year and location):
first sd lp you brought (careful):
best cover of an sd song:
worst sample of an sd song:
what is being played on "home at last" starting 3:10, ending 3:30?
how do you really feel about china hosting the olympics?
what do you think about stem cell research?
thoughts on glamour profession, words, music?
do you like steve winwood? ghandi? swedes? jean luc, or maybe jean luc ponty? mel torme? the influence of yoko ono?
best mike mcdonald back-up or duet?
jack of speed: donald or walter?
do you think the aclu should be notified of this cookie controversy?
which synthesizer do you like the best and why?
what is the reference to cheaters mean in everyone's gone to the movies?
best bar in niagara falls, new york?
favorite native american tribe
what is tomorrow's weather forecast for san diego?
prozac or lithium? thoughts on putting one in the public water supply?
best neil diamond tune to dance to?
your sign on the zodiac?

take your time - everybody take the damn test and have a nice evening!

Hello one and all,
It's been a while. I've been busy most of the last two months with little or no time to check up on the guestbook. Good to read the posts again.

St Al- Excellent point you made today about the mean spiritness
of people. It happens, at times on the internet, or if you were
at this time two years ago, a dotcom billionaire, or if you're producing these reality shows which is highly exploitive and dangerous. Money,I think, makes people more meanspirited.

Shows like Survivor, Fear Factor and Big Brother are more than
a chance for people to reveal their darker natures. That kind of nature can hurt them and the people in their lives. The fact that Big Brother gets high ratings just because some dickhead pulls a knife on a woman, is testiment to where quality TV has gone.

At least a show like Bands On The Run is different. Unlike Making The Band, you have four talented groups who work hard to
win and get a major label contract rather than let a fat manager/producer mold you, package you, and manufacture you.
With the exception of one band, the other three were more tolerable and less meanspirited. But enough is enough.

From now on, we should be meanspirited toward those who are meanspirited against anyone who has an innocent soul.

WHEW! Glad I got that out of my system. Anyway,
I know there was talk about the Berklee College students supposing
to put out that CD of the Steely Dan renditions recorded during the graduation ceremonies. Is it out yet?

luckless pedistrian, thanks for the props. I am ready for a test. Or, I might have already flunked. Was there a question in your response? Cousin Dupree is straight forward but hard to explain to a 8 or 2 year old. In fact my 12 year old has asked a few questions. Not familar with a live version of "Rikki" and the answer to any question regarding a steel quitar must be Jeff "Skunk" Baxter.

Now that every sad sack Steely Dan fan in the world has their own guest book, can't you all just stay home and quit polluting the www with your mindless drivel?

...Hot July Day.

A very nice weekend, my sisters and brothers got together to celebrate our oldest sibling's 60th. We get together quite often but are not demonstrative people. Maybe it was the heat, but someone went in the house and put on Neil Diamond's Greatest, and cranked it. The sisters started dancing on the lawn(you can barely see the next house) and me and my brothers sang along. ND was someone we could all draw some nostalgia from(I'm the youngest at 40) so it became a family "trip" with the grand-children rolling their eyes in embarrassment. Also something they won't forget. Dad just sat and smiled.

eLLe and Eagle:"Black ice"? Another term courtesy of William Gibson.

Midnight Cruiser: Love the hummingbird photo. What did you do, kick the feeder?!!! Nice list of Michael McDonald's duets. How about Good Friends with Joni MItchell, my favorite. A friend of mine(pepe, to you) told me years ago that MM said he would like to be reincarnated as Donald Fagen.

MED: Nice pic's of the June 2000 concert. I was pissed off as hell to hear they played Night By Night, something I wanted to hear them play in '92/93. I don't know if it was a reoccurring phenomenon, but in'92/93 they closed the show with Teahouse On The Tracks with Fagen getting very animated at the end while the band continued to play(pretending to drive a car with a BIG steering wheel) and carrying on a monolgue to the audience regarding the drive home("whatever you're drivin', a Subaru, a Toyota,drive safely.) I couldn't hear him very well. Maybe someone could tell me what he said.

Cyn: Is wild cherry the same as wild pear? They grow wild everywhere and have a very tasty fruit if you can get it before the birds do. There is a myth that they're poisonous and it may have come from this thing you're talking about. The pits do have an almond taste to them, and may be poisonous to horses. They,re one of the first things that bloom in the spring.

a z speakin of Black Cow .. there was this movie on tv about 4 girls, friends in their young days and then later on they were together again as adults when one of them about to give birth to a baby. it had demi moore, melanie griffith, rosie o'donnell and a fairly unknown actress (to me) in it as adults and the girl from the Addams Family as one of the youngsters. nice to watch on the television! the Dan relevancy: the 4 young girls were in this diner kind of hang out place and there this waitress came, putting 4 black cows they ordered on the table.

somehow the Danpower of lyrics is like fungus.
it reigns in a free associative world of thoughts and impressions. pops up where you least expect it.

T for tones .. i still listen to Caldera.
i only have their "orange" coated cover album.
you must really have a ball being surrounded by music all day.
all info at first hand.

and if my legs were long enough, i would have, as St. Al so wisely suggested, have stepped over it instead of in it.
for the record, i don't think Lisa is a real malice person if even she reacts to me so intensely. and this will pass, or blow over the Banyan Trees. just colors clashing, that's all!
so don't hold it against her.
in a way she's been very helpful. ten years ago i would be thrown if i were to encounter such hostility. or be like my brother, haha. six feet under. so, to survive in a world like the world we're born into, we can't do without the edge of the Dan. some more guitars on a next one would be SUPERB!

toodles, G.

"needing a life" - hmmm.....a good one, yes, I'll give it a 6.5, too rhetoric, not vague enough

Yes, and the people who need a life are worrying waaaaaay too much about this incidental bullshit. This ditch is for them.

Digger

Oh good! A cliche festival! I love those!

The people who win don't worry about winning.

Is this mike on? Am I on the air? Oh, okay, back to the Ramones site.....

how many guestbooks could a wood chuck chuck
if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

I'm trying to keep up, but how the hell do you get to blaise's guestbook? It sounds cooler than either blue or yellow.

Relax everyone. This guestbook isn't dead and the "other" guestbook is another good addition to the whole Steely network.

We're in Steely-limbo here. Same thing happened 1997-2000.

I presume the reason why people like Pete don't post here anymore is because every time he does some asshole attacks him (Clas?). A moderated forum prevents this type of stuff from occurring and therefore the quality of posting is higher. If Hoops were to allow free-form posting the same thing would eventually happen on his guestbook.

Jealously and negativity rule the world, unfortunately. The people who win know how to step OVER the crap instead of IN it.

StAl

Big Fan - Where you been all this time? We all went hungry. Skunk? I'm there!

Isn't Chips supposed to insert some wise-ass comment right about now. Bet you don't see things like that on the Ramones site, huh, chippie? lol

$1000 to see and meet Skunk - Do you kow the way to San Jose?

http://www.metroactive.com/metro/aural-0129.html

take your big big cow and get out of here

sigh Lisa ... you should check Blaise's site, I have an answer for you there. that "mmkay" is the classic twitch around the mouth giving people away ... saw this Hitchock movie the other day ... his movies were GREAT!

even Blaise and I can communicate like adults about Steely Dan, although our being friends is history. why do you insist this hostility? i made fun of it on the Dreambook but it is sad in a way. if it's not me, it will be someone else and you can't wish other people away so you won't feel threatened. your perception, not mine! as i notice you really don't understand my intentions. are you that clouded by negative emotions?

i figured you would post more being sooo glad i was no longer writing here. guess what, you didn't contribute all that much! my logic must have failed on me then, right?
you can still turn things around.
for yourself, ofcourse.

all you do is read the words i write.
what strong emotions they evoke.
hm.

jeeeeeese why does she have to rear her ugly head in here again insisting that fans of Steely Dan 'must' be "writers"
she thought it was great because she thought she had an audience for her endless meandering about NOTHING

she tries to comprehend why MORE people would come to a Steely Dan website, she doesn't like that idea at all, so she insults newcomers, and then turns around and says that they are beneath her because they responding

this is one sicko

she needs rules and regulations
she can't handle an open forum
or people communicating with eachother in a casual manner

she should be thankful she has a place to continue with her obcessional writing, and be greatful that her audience is tolerant------over there

i wonder who most of the anons are today? does yellow stripe ring any bells?

but you REFUSE to understand
we got heavy rollers..
try again tomorrow

but just not here, mmkay?

Alrighty then... whatever you say, I agree, ok? Now please stop whatever it is you're doing there, alright?
Hush, hush, dear...
Everything is fine, really.
No need to drum up any ill feelings now.

Scroll!

PEEEEEEAAAAAAACE IT IS.

Give war a chance!

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Monday, July 23rd 2001 - 12:58:05 PM
well Blaise, when it comes to SD matters, i think it's a pity people talk about the yellow VERSUS the blue.
that is why i put up link to the Gorge pics that show St. Al and Hoops and Pete as true Dan buddies. people should not want to mess anything up, for whatever reason. as if they can, i wonder. me copy-pasting your discarded musings holds ample truth. you should try and vote for peace in Dan cyberland. and let the voice of the COMMUNITY rule. the true spirit of Banyan Trees GuestBook and its spin off, the Blue One.
it's not either or.

and last but not least:

GREEN EARRINGS

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuufffffffffffffff

no doubt, the chat hounds were the death of the GB

yellow plus blue make green

blue print blue, sure looks good on you

blue eyes cryin

blue velvet

blue suede shoes

mellow yellow

yellow submarine

angel, did it ever occur it's got to be yellow AND blue instead of vs?

carry on

Back from San Diego....

I did manage to catch The Steely Damned playing Saturday night at the Catamaran Hotel. I don't have time to post in detail right now, but lets just say that fun was had and I am still trying to recover.

Craigster: Sorry we did not connect. My apologies, again.

Lots to think about, Yellow vs Blue. More on that later.

Good day all....

Night....

and another thing:

it's sing not sign, she's good but she's not that good!

and welcome home aus - how's things?

oh and helouise, call me.......LOL - that was good......

welcome to majordudette and 1/4 pearl - your posts are as good as the veteran's here - would you like a test?

on the drive home from a family reunion on Lake Ontario (by Rochester, Clas, Webster State Park, lovely place), we listened to the Can't Buy a Thrill CD - we both feel "Only a Fool Would Say That" is the clear winner as the best produced category for that release - and my husband's hidden talent is he can perfectly mimic the dialogue at the end of that song, sigh, now that's what makes a marriage work people! he did it at the party and his cousin, very subtle, silently pulled out a five dollar bill, handed it to him and said, "that was very cool...." - my 8 year old knows all the words to that song as well - and my 2 year old can sign alot of "do it again", not bad, she's catching on but she screams out "that's my song!!!!" when cousin dupree came on, what the hell does that mean? ah well..... we much preferred the live version of rikki to the studio, and the steel guitar (?) in brooklyn made us laugh

great pics from the gorge, wow - that place looks spectacular, how many shows did they do there?

Hey! Just got back from Cancun and Cozumel...the diving was spectacular....turtle, dolphin, black tip shark, sting ray, parrot fish, scorpion fish, and amazing walls of coral reef...
Babes was with faithful narrator every breath of the way... weather: sunny and hot. Tequila and cervezas: superb. Food: Great. Locals: Friendly as they come. Amazing how much better the service gets when you use a little Espanol.

Nice to be back...

Aus

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/roon58/SD/gallery.htm

BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK

Date: Mon, July 23, 2001, 07:38:12
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Sunday, July 22nd 2001 - 10:42:16 PM

discarded post vault exhibit 001, originally meant for:

http://www.dandom.com/guestbook/ Having observed and taken part in the other Steely Dan-related guestbook for some time now, I find myself in the position where I have to agree with the webmaster Hoops here, not necessarily on the cure but really, on the diagnosis of the problems with it. It was an incredibly vibrant place once, over there, where you could exchange with somewhat like-minded people (although that has proven misleading in my particular experience but I'm speaking generally here). Now the talk wasn't even always tengentially Dan per se but overall, I found the level of discussion quite satisfying nevertheless. We had learned as semi-lurkers to live with a few bumps in the road. Sure, there was always the odd flame usually performed in grand fashion and there always was the lighter side of life explored when things were slow and all of it was fine, really. People *generally* tended to have a feel for the limit and in most cases were mindful of the potential audience they were dealing with while on board. It was in many ways exemplary of a grouping of folks doing their own policing, ideally starting with a critical stance towards themselves and their own contribution to the big picture. I loved it. I really did. And so I stuck around for some time.

Then something happened, the interest waned rapidly, almost to a zero level. It had little to do with the Dan musical universe itself or my own perception of it having changed. One found the posts were progressively more and more annoying as in pointless, absurd, insipid, brainless, irrelevant... whatever... you name it... and you will if you haven't done so already. It got to the point where one had to wade through an increasing proportion of *objectively* mindless crap before one recognized the place as it used to be at all.

Then came chat.

Used to be chat was something A FEW GBers did on Sunday nights, something that was meant to be and understood as a side thingie, always to be seen as an extension of the community-building guestbook itself. Over time, barely a few months the situation was totally inverted. The guestbook was now used, more often than not, as main chat entrance way, merely some chatroom revolving door where salutations and various inanities were endlessly emitted by the dwellers when checking out or in of the new main event. The level of noise increased fast and signals got inevitably crossed. An unprecedented number of regulars fell off the wagon at this point, the record shows. It also appears that with the "new and improved" chat came a new generation of posters, many of whom appeared very disrespectful of their newfound environment and its established group of squatters. That seemed totally new to me. In the past, people would strive to get to know what they were getting into first, trying to read the unwritten set of laws governing the virtual habitat at hand. Now, a seductive hypothesis about where this new breed came from takes into account the mass exposure the band received lately, coupled with the level of diffusion of the practices of home and work computing in the "developped" regions of the world or it isn't, imho.

There also was a surge in the number of writers showing the willingness to explore anonymity and more generally speaking, to fuck with the format and its various possibilities. That has been a constant on the yellow, always. But over time, there were more and more examples of this behavior also. The exacerbation of this anon tendancy, either lead by the promise of unaccountability or by the desire to investigate the meaning (or lack thereof) of artistic or intellectual property further, introduced more confusion already.

People hiding in the bushes or putting on masks to play the fool.

Let's not forget the inevitable board hopping that takes place. Complexification process sweeping up everything in its way, all of it... all over the place, over time.

Traces are everywhere in our happy home

Turn down the Eagles now, will ya pal?

Add to that an hidden area of sorts, a popular chatroom where people reflect on the guestbook with a multitude of grouping combination, weaving a whole new thick layer of web intrigue, serve up a mix of cyber friends and foes together and you get the result you have now: utter chaos occasinally interrupted by fast fading glimpses of GB past. Conversation over tea now overwhelming the fine jazz jive.

Now,does that legitimize effortsto control, to harness the whole phenomenon of an online social life which has its own distinct attributes, as shown in the past on the pale yellow? Do we respect this difference and adapt to it or strive to systematically shape it according to a specific, particular view of what should be? If we appreciated the uniquess of this way of sharing, do we jump ship and look for alternatives or do we stay put and let the process unfold, tolerating its low points, and see where it leads, considering this same unique feel it carries this way?

Is the idea of a somewhat moderated forum a relevant alternative, knowing it will never really please one and all in a consistent manner, taking into account the diversity of folks pinching in with the most diverse of backgrounds, sets of values, ethical frameworks and socio-economic situations that interplay and indeed, experience shows, frequently collide on such a venue?

We all have our own answer to those questions, it seems. We are tentatively considering the situation in thought and/or action.

At least now we can watch the result of both takes and compare.

We are now given the alternative, as a relatively self-conscious group of people, between anarchy and different degrees of social control policy making. This here endeavour is still part of the same social experiment unfolding after all, folks. It's all part of this evolving online experience we share in parallel to our common fascination with the artistic body of work in question. Well... almost all of us...

And here we are...

Me, Thyself and Mean Old Daddy.

SMOOOCH GRRRRRRR

W1P - Hey man, look north! That's me waving at you from up here in Marin Co.

Dr. Warren K. - Most human beings *I* know wouldn't tolerate a green-ish rash on their private parts...

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Perfect steely moments:

#1648 - The beginning of "Black Cow"

#7525 - "Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else's favorite song."

#8743 - The first 8 bars the solo on "Jack of Speed"

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Disclaimer: this is yet another spontanious thought. Substance is neither guaranteed nor implied: I used to assume the title "Can't Buy A Thrill" was a declaration of fact, like "Can't Buy Me Love". But I just had a thought that maybe it was a statement as to their financial status at the time, as in "can't *afford* a thrill". The "thrill" implied on the cover is obvious (check out the Babylonian sisters), but still symbolic of romance, and that romance is found in the worlds they create with their music. Great cover...
By the time of Gaucho, maybe our protaganists have what it takes to hang with the "Babylon Sisters"; they can now afford the thrill, but they have found, "that it's just a spasm" and, "that it's cheap, but it's not free." The romance has waned. Hard life stuff like drugs ("Glamour Profession"), jealousy ("Gaucho", "My Rival"), and paranoia ("Third World Man") start to dominate the romantic landscape. But "Time Out of Mind" seems like a bubble of hope or joy in the midst of all that bleakness. Though the relief may or may not be drug (or religiously, as I think it's been said here) induced, it's still a release. Or a relapse. Perhaps, "The Eternal Flame of Romance". (tm)

Btw, the sarcasm was for a laugh, not that I think the eternal flame is funny, nor do I think "Time Out of Mind" is insincere.

Didn't mean to get "Loder-esque"
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cheese

tone

tones, I didn't know you lived in Cali. How is Colombia? \

Seriously, where you at?

Crazy Zee, "Countdown" is a special LP and so different than their 1st. It seemed to put SD on course. I find DF's notes on the remastered CD interesting. I believe he says something to the effect that don't want to sit next to a person at a dinner party that find this LP as SD's best. It is impossible to beat out "Aja", but "Countdown" is close. So many key songs.

"Lonely Teardrops" is ok. I prefer Mr. McDonalad's 's vocal on "Pretzel Logic". Hard to beat that.

anyone else having a problem with chat???
jenny

CYN- Sorry, but Ole told me that specialization is the key to success in the K9-eat-K9 world we live in, so my practice is strictly limited to otterhounds, and, believe me, that is a pretty limited practice, IIDSSM.
However, just on the basis of visual observation, Bassets are generally in the throes of some depressive disorder, just look at that kisser, or licker, so Puppy Prozac is usually helpful in most cases.
Psychopharmacollogically (this time I spelled it right)Yours,
Dr. Warren K.

Mu -- I hear you. Responding to 1/4 P. about "Any World," I got to thinking about Katy Lied and the level of emotion in some of those songs. Dr. Wu is heart wrenching. Bad Sneakers: "I'm so alone. Honey when they gonna send me home?" I'd add "Dirty Work" to your list. The narrator is so full of self-loathing.

Everyone keeps talking about Donald and his relationship to the particular song. I think that Walter deserves much credit for the lyrical edge and genius of SD songs. Donald's solo albums are great, but the songs lack the ability to make you feel and think the same way SD songs do.

1/4 P. -- You inspired me to break out the old vinyl of "Countdown" this weekend and listen to "Pearl of the Quarter." Perhaps the narrator is not the most objective person when it comes to his flirtations with Louise and her response to his talkin' perty and gifts? In fact, in response, she says she loves him, and just goes on plying her wares:

She loved the million dollar words I say
She loved the candy and the flowers that I bought her
She said she loved me and was on her way
Singing voulez vous

I think Michael McDonald's version of "Lonely Teardrops" on The Rock and Soul Revue is one of the best vocal performances ever. So there.

I told ya - don't get caught in da Bushes! ...or BEHIND the bushes either!

*solely*

Dr., Is your center limited soley to Otterhounds? Would you consider treating a Bassett hound with a penchant for sitting/ laying on the loveseat in the parlor and barking at anything that moves on the street?

Dano....Kentucky update,
Its seems the culprit for all the foal deaths is a bush known as Wild Cherry. It is a natural cyanide for horses. My problem with that is any horseperson knows that it is fatally toxic to horses. So, why was there such an abundance of it? And it just didn't affect 1 farm. Deaths were all over the state.

Conspiracy?

From the grassy knoll,
Cyn

Yes, I've taken Oleander's advice and opened up a counseling center for otterhounds. She does have a point in pointing out that human beings are such a nuisance to treat, what with all the lawsuits I've been accumulating, the Raelians, the HFTCI, even the macarena institute.
I am having a little trouble building up a clientele, it seems there are only 2 otterhounds in LI and the 5 boroughs, and the other one seems to be very well-adjusted and has not yet sought help for any of the many issues that confront the modern-day otterhound seeking self-actualization in the complex world we live in.
Actually, otterhounds seem to have few needs compared to many of the human beings and Raelians that I've treated. Food, sleep and playing keep-away with my socks seem to meet the self-actualization needs of this pup.
MC- As far as Zoloft goes, I have prescribed this drug for both human beings and Raelians in the past, but am presently limited to Puppy Prozac and Deludin for the time being, so make sure you have a physician who KNOWS the drug before you use it.
Raelians tend to develop a green-ish rash on their private parts from this drug, but human beings seem to tolerate it pretty well.
A good book to read on the subject of SSRIs is "Listening To Prozac", written by my esteemed colleague Dr. Peter Kramer.
It's prescribed for depression,OCD, and panic disorder and the side f/x include feeling sleepy, loss of sex drive, weight gain, and dry mouth.
Another good book to read on the subject is "Living With Prozac and SSRIs, which contains many first-hand accounts of people who have taken the drug.
Psychopharacologically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.

You're coming stateside? Why don't you stop in and see me in Cali if you get a chance? It's only a hop , skip, and 3000+ miles west of Fla.

Maybe next time?

I knew a guy who wouldn't fly in an airplane because he was afraid of being in one of those horrible air disasters that seem to be happening so often now. So he went everywhere by car, bus, or train. That worked fine, until a train he was riding was involved a tremendous accident.

An airplane fell on it.

Happy anniversary bud.

t

ole , I will be in Florida on Thursday the 20th September to the 4th of August. Danfest at the Motown Cafe at Universal so we can have some STEELY And Tamla?? WOW what a double dooser that would be.Regards Daaaaaaaaano.

It was our Anniversary yesterday , the wee man was out and my wife said we are not romantic enough these days , So i said ok lets do a couple of days a week nice meal candlelights some nice Steely Dan etc etc and some serious cuddlin??Great she says .........Good I says you go out Monday and Tuesday.....and I will go out Friday and Saturday........ Boom Boom.

Anyway she still loves me ......I thought i was a great lover until i discovered she had Asthma.......

Sorry people lost the plot there for a bit ....Signing off Dano

''These people tend to have to many horses' heads''
Indeed Indeed.

*CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP*

Sun enters Leo. Don't blame us if you sweat more than usual.

It's another late night for the MFM.

Hope everyone is doing well. I am posting to report that I have completed a chord chart for Glamour Profession. All of the previous discussions about this song sparked my interest in this song again. If someone out there wants a copy of the chart, just send me an email and I will send it to you.

Howard - check your email, the chart is there waiting for your perousal. The guitar tabs "translator" for keyboards is a great addition to you already supurb music site. All serious (and some semi-serious) musicians should take a look at this very excellent site.

z of x - my big thank you's go to you. You posted the chords for this song and then you closed you post by saying that it sounded like shit, but that it was a good start. You are way too modest, and totally wrong. Your chords were just about completely correct and accurate. Your posting of the chords saved my a lot of time in the initial preparation of the chart. I would be like to send you a copy of the chart as a demonstration of my appreciation for jump starting this project for me. Send me an email and I will reply with the chart without delay.

Without a doubt, this is one of the most harmonically complex Steely Dan/Fagen/Becker songs from their entire catalog of material. It sits in the company of songs like True Companion, Century's End, Your Gold Teeth II, and Aja. I have prepared charts for all of these challenging songs and more.

I think the intro section and the guitar solo section (virtually identical to each other) of Your Gold Teeth II is just amazing. This is my favorite song of theirs. The song even has a time signature and a key signature change. Totally fun to play. Impresses everybody. True Companion and Aja do this too.

To W1P - the story about UFO and early Floyd was a great read. We do pay attention to what you write Dan, don't worry. July 28 is almost here. The House of Blues is going to rock with you guys. Start the countdown (to Ecstasy). Welcome to the Machine.

And finally to Steviedan - about the Dx-7. Is your keyboard one of the first Dx's, or is it a later model like mine (the Dx-7 II Floppy Disk)? I was curious to know if my version can handle the extra banks of sounds like you described without needing that "grey-matter card"? My Dx-7 has been totally reliable, just like you report with yours, my problem is that I am not that electronically inclined, I just want to expand my choices of sounds. Programming them is not my bag whatsoever. Let me know what you think - at your leisure, of course. I realize that our Dx's are quite aged by now, but with so many being sold, there must still be a lot of support for these dinosaurs around, right?

Take care everyone.

Steveedan

And MC, those Zoloft, well, try it for half a year. You'll figure. You can stand the side-effects if the medication in a whole gives you a better life. That's my experiences of that stuff. I guess an Armada of health-freaks and herb-shrinks are going to yell out loud on this matter, but what the hell, some things are convienient... and its not ”dangerous” either. It probably just makes you more steady, kind of, -okay, life sucks, but I can DEAL with it.

C

So late...uh, I mean early here. But I just had to share my satisfaction. Finally got to watch "O' Brother Where Are Thou" tonight...*mental note* MUST read "The Odyssey" again...great movie!...popped it in around midnight, then when it was through, popped it out, and what should appear on my TV screen as if my magic? D&W! It was closing in on 2 o' clock, and there they were, public television, Donald's fangs exposed, singing "Black Friday"...the 2vN PBS special...seen it a hundred times, but even so, couldn't tear myself away...perfect end to a perfect night...

Hope you all are doin' fine as wine...cherry wine that is...

now back to my Kirschwasser and off to bed...

jenny

Midnite Cruiser - thanx again man, for the Mike Mc Donald info. That voice is really something. It's like a golden thread thru my listening life. To bad this mans production during the 80s been this, bad, and good too. Those recordings where he sings along with this stiff sequencer.

And where do you get a name like Jeff Bridges? Is it the actor or is it NOT the actor? No?

Blaise - ha!

1/4 Perl - hey great! You remember! At that time I bought all those foreign magazines just to see if I could detect any info of the Mysterious Band. Another of one of the things I spotted was in the ”random notes”: -Our nite editor got a call this night from a certain mr Fagen. Fagen was asking some questions about our chief editors Lenght, Weight and Height, it all was for ”...a project, it's a secret I cannot reveal”.

Stevie Dan - yes I did, and I did it over and over again, not sure wether I should take it as a joke or not. Let me sleep on til tomorrow?

C

just ran across this little tidbit. Michael McDonald will release a concert DVD on September 18th entitled Michael McDonald: A Gathering of Friends.

couldn't find a good URL to link but here's the blurb:

Michael McDonald: A Gathering Of Friends - DVD

Filmed at Los Angeles' Shrine Auditorium, friends and admirers of
Michael McDonald came together to pay homage to the man and his music. No stranger to recognition, the five-time Grammy Award winner's particular brand of "blue-eyed soul" produced a series of chart-topping hits. As a member of the Doobie Brothers and a successful solo artist, Michael McDonald's distinctive baritone vocals are instantly recognizable to fans worldwide.

Songs:
On My Own (with Patti LaBelle)
No Love to Be Found (with Wendy Moten)
Holy City (with Edwin McCain)
All I Need (with Tommy Sims)
Ride Like the Wind (with Christopher Cross)
She Lay Her Whip Down (with Jeff Bridges)
Ya Mo Be There (with James Ingram)
Maria (with James Ingram & David Pack)
You Belong to Me (with Patti Austin)
Heart to Heart (with Kenny Loggins)
This Is It (with Kenny Loggins)
Minute By Minute (with The Doobie Brothers)
Takin' It to the Streets (with The Doobie Brothers)

You can pre-order now from Ken Cranes (kencranes.com) or DVD Planet (dvdplanet.com) for $17.49

I don't see a listing on Amazon.com yet. Pre-order price is good until the Sunday before the release date according to Ken Cranes. You can bet I'll be pre-ordering my copy tonight!

I do love that man's voice.

MC

Hey Craigster...where have you been man

Thanks for the emails

The Fez

good onnnne!!

wow..you're too clever for us..anonymous..yeah,,,right!
PPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

one more shoe song:

Brain Tap Shuffle- "...you can talk about your daily grind whilst you dish out an old soft shoe. If making money doesn't sooth your mind,we've got something here, here for you." (exact wording, not known)

Ducks don't *chirp*.

Majordudette, looking for references to both mom & dad. You nailed the dad references besides "daddy don't live in NYC no more". All I can come up with is the "folks" reference in "Any World". Try again.

CrazyZee, thanks. your answer is logical. The sailor refernce and New Orleans being a port and a prostiute is a typical SD character. However, the lyric "she loves my million dollar words" makes me think DF is talking about himself. Who else uses million dollar words besides a English major? Also, I think it takes more than one night to get a grip on his vocabulary.

Clas, I recall the Rollin Stone "Any World" article. I believe it was around 79. What I remember is that Rollin Stone asked a number of their critics to pick a few of their favorite songs. One critic picked "Any World" and "King of the World" and another picked one of the two. Can not recall exact details. Anyway, glad someone else remembered that article. That Rollin Stone article got me to rexamine both songs and are favorites of mine ever sense.

And thanks for sharing details about your corporation's network architecture on a public forum. Security starts here, right? VPN... hmm What I like is the "virtual private" part. MWahahahahaha
See you soon, eagle boy.

Hmmm sexy sexy man...

Black Ice doesn't suck.. AL.. it is being used by the company I work for.. that has a building that houses 100's of servers, just for it's web content, that has literally thousands of computers hooked up to it's own InTRAnet, through other servers, and thousands of employees around the world, who have direct access to that inTRAnet through V.P.N. and this company chooses over ALL products to use Black Ice Defender, along with customized ini files as it's protection from internet intruders, hackers trackers, crackers, call them what you will.
Black Ice is a very powerful program..if you are not sure of that go read for yourself on the Black Ice website, and along with the standard B.I. protection our IT guys have customized it to provide even further protection..in "paranoid mode" nobody gets through!!.. in "cautious mode" you can allow people through if you choose, but by default NO ONE gets through. In addition to that anyone who tries to access your system is identified. To find out who belongs to a particular IP simply go to the A.R.I.N site..and plug the IP into the query box and you will be told where the attack is coming form...if you choose you can let them know that an attack originated from their site or from a particular computer on their site..and ask them to follow it up.
However, for the most part these probes and attacks being blocked by B.I. pose no threat to you, and as you do not know where the hacker actually is ( he could be using the attacking system by remotely accessing it) to attack you, then it is advised to only follow up on those threats B.I. identifies as "dangerous"
Have a nice day..
Eagle
BSc Engineering
CCTT ASTT
CET

*CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP*

Didn't MzDucks used to do fly-bys?

clas - "gnarly anti-Beatle"... too funny!

stevied - cool. Can't wait...

Dr. (insert funny little mu symbol here) - i.e. "Fire in the Hole" where "...Fagen plays a loser character on the edge." Hey man, I thought thought he was singing about *me*.

pizza

t

but clas, did you actually read beyond that first paragraph ?

gray matter response board = dx7 upgrade

Natch.

dl'ing from winmx....meant to say earlier, feel free to post anonymously about the zoloft if you feel a stigma attached to taking an antidepressant....thanx

It's July 21st and it's basically still raining in San Diego. What day is that damned Del Mar event again? Been there done that doin it again. DanFest anyone? (Yeah right)

jennywenny
ge
nybill
majordudette
snakehips

awwww, you guys are so sweet...

thanks alot,'preciate it(in a very nonsexual way)

dif

one more thing....anybody had any dealings with Zoloft? Good or bad? I'm trying it and can't decide if the benefits outweigh the side effects at this point.

MC

ZoneLabs Zone Alarm is great! When we got the cable modem last year and went to a static IP address I figured it was time to do some research on firewalls and Zone Alarm seemed to be the product of choice, not to mention that it's free as St.Al said. I went to the Shields Up site and Zone Alarm has me covered....not just closed but invisible! Very nice program.

Jeff Beck's Freeway Jam is lifting me out of the haze....need another Diet Mountain Dew though....caffiene, the breakfast of champions.

*yawn*

"Ms. Leonhart was one of the jazz cats who toured with Steely Dan last year, and she has got precision; people compare the timbre of her voice to the young Ella Fitzgerald's."
Nice words for Carolyn Leonhart.
This taken from the New York Times on the web this morning, no less.

Well MC, you raise another interesting point in that these "services" can lead people to get interested in stuff they normally wouldn't hear about and then they are driven to actually shell out a few bucks on the artists they discover this way. I gotta tell you Napster, in its prime, was hard to beat considering the large selection of files available back then. Haven't checked out WinMX yet but you make it sound very interesting there. Some are strictly music-oriented in nature while others allow the sharing of books in .pdf format and video files. Can't wait for the Fall to see how the "legit services" fare against these numerous free networks out there.
It'll be an uphill battle for sure. To be continued.
All I know is that this file swapping phenomenon and the future of the industry is the major unfolding story in music news right now. It's everywhere you turn.
Oh and Michael Mcdonald's voice still does it for me too.

Thanks to everyone for the nice feedback on the new pics on the feeder page, along with the hummers in flight pic. : )

Blaise....you've got a good point on the peer to peer file sharing stuff out there....I still buy cd's but I won't lie, I use and love WinMX....it's better than Napster ever thought about being....because of a Michael McDonald jag I got on yesterday on WinMX, I'm going by my local store (Waterloo Music) today and see what I can find on Mr. Mac. I can't get his voice out of my head this morning, not that that's a bad thing....He's always had one of the best voices in pop music for my money....Just wish I could get to Norfolk to see him play live....hope Jim# and Roy get to see the show.

I'm enjoying the discussion on the earlier SD tunes....obviously, I've got a soft spot for Midnite Cruiser and would love to hear Donald sing it too....i enjoyed Walter's version in concert and would like to hear Donald sing it too....as for Any World, I've always really liked the tune....just a good song that balances the spectrum of SD tunes.....Major Dude was another I liked, maybe because of the acoustic guitars....dunno, I just know what I like.

oh yeah, SD even got a mention on America's Funniest Home Videos last night....just a mention but it was weird to hear Steely Dan on that show.

back to Michael McDonald singing You Belong To Me.....catch y'all later.

MC

Mu - I always thought the intro to Don't Take Me Alive was so powerful, the rest of the song kinda suffered from it, like a letdown of sorts. It has to cool down before the first verse kicks in, so to speak. I used to replay that segment over and over 'cause I thought it was absolutely perfect on its own. It still is an example of a solo where every note is relevant, even that sustained feedback on the opening chord is just right. Still amazing.

Any world is a good little pop song. Very catchy but interesting in a limited way. No solo section here. Perhaps this dittie was originally meant for radio airplay?
Would love to hear Fagen take on Midnite Cruiser. It's not that much of a stretch of the imagination but somehow he has always avoided the song.

Clas- Rolling Stone magazine? That's not funny.

With the rise of P2P file-swapping now, like the dude wrote in the Salon article you all skipped down there, it's a whole new ball game out there. The music industry really appears doomed now if it doesn't find a way to stop this shit. It's serious. They could have struck a deal with Napster and avoided this new wave of theoretically unstoppable sharing endeavours fueled by hatred towards the RIAA. They felt they had to be hostile to a community of hard core music seekers. You're still in a situation now where one person can spend ten bucks and feed millions.
Time will tell but for the time being, it doesn't look good at all. This is a screenshot of what a typical search will produce on a Peer-to-Peer network. Notice there even is stuff in there that's hard to find on CD:
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/nitefly/bearshare.jpg
Sure, I can hear the goos doctor pointing down Seventh Avenue claiming the sound quality of files is not up to par with the CD format, in most cases. He will probably bring charts with collected data to sustain the argument. But you have to keep in mind that audiophiles are not the bread and butter here. In the end, it's the regular joe with a budget and a boom box that feeds the machine. Bottom line.

”gray matter response one”

What are you talking about Stevie? That's not funny.

C

at the risk of dredging up an apparent technical nightmare (mine are always some variation of the lcd's coming up as chinese characters), clas you actually touched on my original reasoning for having the board in my dx7 changed to a gray matter response one.

as a stock unit, the dx7 would ONLY transmit on midi-channel numero uno, thereby killing the ability organique to bounce between midi channels and thereby patches when sequencing. technically this is known as a bummer and i considered that prospect unworkable. the gray matter modification not only opened all sweet sixteen midi channels but also provided many other improvements, many of which i have either forgotten or never knew. of almost equal importance, it also increased onboard patch storage tenfold. easily worth every penny. only change in the appearance of the instrument itself would be the nifty sticker provided, stitches and two plugs encircling it's neck, and a raised squared off forehead.

for non-keyboardists i have ATTEMPTED to word this humorously to render it maybe slightly more entertaining than chord name discussions, if not nearly as interesting as all things melodica.

tones, the fusion series is not over yet. i'll be back.

Hummingbirds in Flight! Great picture, Midnite Cruiser!

µ - an actor, excactly my point. A long time ago I saw ”Any World” listed in Rolling Stone, WHY I don't remember but the main argument was for ”Fagen is showing some true emotions”.

Great views µ. ”Doctor Wu: Fagen way beyond the edge - Down the gut surrealism”

Elle, Angel and Carmen San Diego - thanks a lot, you've got my head spinning, all those Indians (Mowaks, Cherokees and Iroquis?) and those Blockhouses, the fire at nights, someone is screaming somewhere? Redshirts? Ouch! Where did that arrow come from?!

And Elle, yeah, Terry Kath, great singer and guitarplayer, not enough tough for this world, at least not for big-music-biz LA. My hero was Robert Lamm though, mainly because his Hammond B3 and his cool, well, at the time, piano-chops, a lots of major sevenths. Listening to his ”Free Form Piano” today is quite embarrassing.

See you,

C

PS/ Hell Stevie, is this for real? You can NOT change the Midi-channell? And you are telling me NOW?

but = well

Hope to catch up with you all tomorrow....been a busy day today but the rest of the weekend belongs to me....just put this one pic up a minute ago and thought I'd share....check it if you like, skip it if you don't....I call it "Beautiful Chaos....Hummingbirds in Flight"

http://www.geocities.com/birdsofvirginia/Chaos.html

looks like it's been a fruitful couple of days here....good to see it....have a great night!

MC

CrayZee: Any World is an absolute gem. one of those "little ones" from way back that they pan-fried later. There's an emotional edge to a lot of Katy Lied, and this song is the climax. We really can "feel his pain" aided by Michael McDonald's spine-tingling backup vocals. How about the way the bass and guitar follow each other in the intro or the descending arpeggio by Omartian as the chorus is repeated in the outtro. That leads me to a different type of list for SD. The All-Visceral list of songs. Ok, maybe that's a short list for these guys ;-). However, the characterization by some critics of souless or non-emotional approach - distanced perhaps. When Fagen (the actor eh Clas) goes into a character's head as the first person - the emotions show...

It's no lie...

Well, here goes:

Midnight Cruiser: OK OK, that's Hodder singing. But there's something in the gut about this somg, especially the chorus

Fire in the Hole: A similar theme to Any World. Fagen plays a loser character on the edge.

Razor Boy: Well, the emotions range from snide to disgusted to slightly empathetic but it works for me

Rikki Don't Lose That Number: Rikki MUST have left quite an impression. The frustration in the line ..."well you don't even know your mind" then immediately into pleading "and you could have a change of heaaaarrrt" - amazing Skunk's shining moment on the solo.

Bad Sneakers: walking through the park and reminiscing (wait, that's the Little River Band...)

Doctor Wu: Fagen way beyond the edge - Down the gut surrealism

Any World: see above

Instrumental intro to Your Gold Teeth II - a lot of tension (or is it the noise reduction system?) - then into hip downer surrealism for the verse-chorus

Don't Take Me Alive: Fagen on the window ledge. Carlton provides the edge...

I Got the News: Fagen givin' a femme fatale da bizness...

The Nightfly (title track):
"I sometimes wonder
What happened to that flame
The answer's still the same
It was you. You.
Tonight you're still on my mind"

there's some sentiment of course through the album...

Florida Room - is this close to actual joy for Mr. Fagen?

On the Dunes: "Homicide (with the long O) on the dunes. It wasn't fair. It's brutal there.." no, he's not bitter...

Most of 11 TOW - though with Walter's delivery - it's a little harder to tell...

What a Shame About Me: sadness and whimsy

West of Hollywood: more sadness...

I just dozed off on my keyboard in chat and got logged off. Not that it wasn't fascinating, it was.
I'm just sssooooo drunk, you know.

A bit of the old in and out wouldn't be bad, eh mates?
Bring us yer figgy pudding, now brang it rite 'ere!

Duncan, can I have another of your sausages?

You got that shite right, mate.
Look at the follow ups, it oughta make it clear how others feel about it.
BUUURRRRP!
scuze me...

Great posting tonight / today eLLe
3/5 in a row
Good work feline ;-)

Back from tonight's gig & Linda staying @ sisters house
Bernie Torme (ex Ian Gillan band) highlights included Trouble, New Orleans & encore Purple Haze + loads of stuff I haven't heard before.
Last saw Bernie in 1985 & guess what he's got the same belly as mine (beer).
Was invited backstage afterwards to say hello & fondled his fenders.
(Is there a law against this )
I had Ticket No 54 sml venue but great audience.
Couldn’t drink / driving so hitting the gin now.
I have forgotten how loud Metal & blues is. I made a tape on my Walkman & it sounds ok.
Love to all on GB
Duncan
P.S. the original & best a power trio , Drums, lead & bass
no synthesisers.

Parent-like references besides the ones already mentioned:

1)Don't Take Me Alive- "Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive."

2)Come Back Baby- "Come back baby, I don't want to live alone again. My old man never told me how."

3)A Little With Sugar- "She took a little with sugar. She took the money from my old man."

Which did I miss?

~md

I too always thought that "cheaters" were "falsies," but sun glasses work well. You wouldn't want to take off your regular eye glasses because then you wouldn't be able to see the movies clearly. But you might want to wear shades to Mr. LaPaige's so you would not be easily recognized.

QP -- Welcome. I'm always ready to talk lyrics. But I think "Pearl of the Quarter" is about a guy hopelessly in love with a prostitute. You may want to rethink that handle. Or not.

I also like "Any World" a lot, and was surprised to see it on a couple of "SD songs I could live without" lists recently posted on the GB. The guy in that song is so lost, lonely and unhappy. Can you imagine feeling that "Any world that I'm welcome to, is better than the one I come from?" He's searching for an answer, perhaps religion or even suicide? I particularly like the following lines; their sentiment is so un-Dan-like:

I think I'll go to the park
Watch the children playing
Perhaps I'll find in my head
What my heart is saying

Netscape? Mac? We got ourselves a true rebel here. folks!

lp- your request for chat crashed my weary old mac here at the salt mine; I clicked accept- then saw this white light at the end of a loooong tunnel... I might have heard grandpa, maybe.

what a shame about that! some other time or e.
F

The post-Napster lowdown. Informative and complete in scope:

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2001/07/20/napster_diaspora/index.html

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/MyOldSchool.html

Yep, it's July 20th and still acid raining in the Adirondacks.

no, that's cheeta's, especially if you are from Havad.....

Cheaters were animals that ran quite fast?

are in chat

sorry about all these postings but I have NO clue where the chat is @ right now.. Hey..did you ever go to Pub Night at Niagara College??????? wow some good bands passed throught there!!
and of course from there it was the infamous Rochedale College in Toronto..there to get in you had to roll up you're sleeve in order for security to check for "tracks" needle marks..to visit or hang out..or score.. whatever your agenda was.

shoot man!! for us it was the Frat bars in Niagara Falls NY called the Ontario House..obviously because it was the Canadain Frat Boys hang out.. then it was The Club, where the Black label Draft was free on Friday nights from 7-9pm before the 3 bands arrived..there was always a party for somebody going off to the war...sad memory that..especially seeing them a week before with their glorious freak flag flying..and then shaved right off..
but yeah! that free Black Label man.. wow..please don't make me look down..walking home across the bridge..HEY!! my bros went to Niagara College too!!!!

my brother was frat boy at niagara university and my dad gave me free train rides from syracuse to niagara falls so i have made friends with the bridge a few times as well....good thing heights don't bug me or it would have been a lot more pasty....ugh!

oh border patrol, that's not a case of beer, those are syringes!

OH MY GOD!! you know that..LMAO..too many times my friend too many times!!! LOLOLOL!!! right on!!..twas the Lower bridge though..it was closer to the pubs where the Frat boys could sneak me into..under age!!!
cheers for the memories!!!!!!

....as opposed to the acid rain from your side? yes, good call.....

I was saying.. you're most welcome for the info on the Welland Canal..glad that I could help. But I won't get into the American LOVE Canal thing.

ah yes, winston, you are correct, and how many times have you heaved over the great rainbow bridge?

...you were saying?

sorry luv..( sorry ) the International Boundry- Border between USA and Canada) is situated right smack in the middle of the Niagara River. I was born there, in Niagara Falls Ontario.

hey Bif, don't you know that you can "tell" alot about a person by the shoes he is wearing? Especially if you were in a Fraternity..back East..there was a kind of dress code- you had to be cool..to be a
"dandy"
for eg. my brothers were/are members of Gamma Sigma..and the guys wore Brouges (spelling) and straight leg Levi's and their Fraternity jackets LOL..
I used to steal their Levi's and cut out a V section from the knee down..and sew in American Flag material and big Flower-Power flowers and paisley..LOL..then take a beating teeheeeeee!!!!!!
yes yes my brothers the Frat Kings of yesteryear..the boys of COOL.. LOLOLOL!!!!!

okay, yes, the niagara falls are partially (partially, elle, sorry - the niagara river in ny leads to the american side) in canada and most western new yorkers will tell you the canadian side is far better than the american side - thank you, elle for telling us how a lock works...actually, check your pbs claendar (or email angel), they did one of the best documentaries on the history of the niagara falls i have ever seen.....

i grew up about a mile from a leg of the erie canal and in the winter i used to skate from town to town on it, heartwarming, ain't it? except when you fall in, luckily it was only 5 feet deep - it was a cess pool at the time, but thanks to people like me and lotsa grant money from democratic legislators and my heor mario cuomo, the empire state is finally seeing it as a resource to be exploited for family use

the adirondack mountains in new york are spectacular in their understated beauty of the eons they have stood there watching over lake champlain - on the other side of the lake is the green mountains in vermont and there is always good philosophical discussion over lattes as to whom has the better view, new york or vermont, thus if you love vermont's mountain range, you should then live in ny and vice-versa and the implications thereof - the st lawrence side is not my favorite, my sister lives over there and i never look forward to that trip, believe it or not, it is very flat over there on the seaway (kinda like the drive from vermont to montreal, it is this desolate flat drive on over-sized grid street systems then out of nowhere pops up montreal like an oasis in the desert

the adirondacks differ with the sierra nevada range simply in their age - both are breathtaking in their own ways (camped in kings canyon and it was marvelous, i will never forget it) - the western ranges, due to their youth are taller, imposing, more roughened and not hewn and vegetated and relaxed as they are here in the northeast - we could commence a discussion on the symbolic gestures this geology plays, but i will spare this board

syracuse is south of the adirondacks by a three hour drive and commences to the west the finger lake system, so named by the irondoquoit and the mohawk tribes, who didn't like each other very much, i grew up reading fascinating books on the tribes in new york - syracuse would be a ghost town if it weren't for the university as its largest employer, it is the land that time forgot and wants to be 1955 and hasn't figured it out yet that it's 2001, many people blame the city of new york for vaccuuming economic development money from upstate and western ny tax payers (taxes are very high there), but i don't buy it - many of the cities are riff with poorly elected politicians who can't visualize and market themselves to save their asses and never been out of their county let alone the state - in syracuse, they are currently pouring tax dollars into the economic development project of increasing the size of an existing mall to be the largest in the country (yee-ha), and it's located outsdie the central business district (downtown) thus is vaccuuming people right out of the downtown over to the mall and then they whine and say nobody comes downtown anymore, well duh - THAT's why i don't live there anymore, i couldn't practice my trade there without at some point being committed -

south of syracuse however is beautiful wine country (just don't drink it, except the sherry) that is worth the flight and drive to, and the southernmost parts of all the lakes are the prettiest, and are not yet spoiled with camps along their entire frontage

i just couldn't let those comments below here go by without that planner/geographer perspective - yeah i know, CHIRP CHIRP (sorry hoops, just be glad we didn't start this on your page - maybe chips will make fun of me now)

i suddenly feel the urge to buy a top-down volkswagon and drive cross-country, anyone wanna come, bring your black and white film!

and clas, there used to be a camp song about amsterdam, ny that my dad sang on the railroad, un-postable of course! so, if you do NY, go to the city, then up the taconic parkway to the northway (look at both sides of , go into the adirondacks and then down to the wine country and back to jfk

can you tell my day as a dog catcher has been extremely confrontational

now, who makes the best synthesizer again?

Cheetos..Cheeto-Lays..take off your Cheetos and sit right down ..
like- cheese eatin' teenagers.. that's my story..and I'm stickin to it.

Chicago's cover of I'm a Man was good too..that was when
Terry Kath was still alive.. he was with Chicago 11 years..1967-1978..
I'm a Man by Spencer Davis Group and Chicago kicked some serious butt!

Would the last person to leave the building please turn the lights out

I'll be going, probably won't see you there, although kinda hard to miss yahs, eh?
have a good one!

what the...
whahahhahahhahahahha
look on the left side of North America, then you'll see some REAL
freaking mountains!

The Welland Canal

The Welland Canal is an incredible feat of engineering.

Originally initiated by local businessmen, the
first canal (1829) was built to stimulate local
and regional trade. Over the last century and a
half, the canal has grown to become a vital link
for international commerce, connecting The
Atlantic Ocean with the heartlands of North
America.

The present day Welland Canal which connects Lake
Ontario to Lake Erie, is the fourth to be
constructed. It is part of the St. Lawrence Seaway
and 2,350 miles (3,780 km) of the international
waterway.

The Welland Canal is 27 ft. (8.2m) deep and 26 miles (42 km) long. A
system of eight locks circumvent nature's wonder, Niagara Falls.

Locks one to seven are lift locks, each having an
average rise of 46.5 ft. (14.2 m). Lock eight, a
regulating lock, one of the longest locks in the
world, makes the final adjustment to Lake Eries's
level.

Locks four, five and six are called the "flight
locks", because no reach separates them and they
are twinned to allow two way traffic.

The three main cargoes carried through the Welland
Canal include wheat, iron-ore and coal. The
average transit time is about 12 hours.

The Locking Procedure

Uses gravity to raise and lower vessels: To raise
a vessel, the upstream valves are opened at the
bottom of the walls and the following steps occur:

-the ship sails through open gates into the lock.
It then is secured to bollards near the side of
the walls.

-the gates are closed and when the valves are
opened to allow the water to flow in, the ship
begins to lift.

-when it reaches the correct level, the gates are
opened, and the ship can sail out.

The procedure (which is reversed to lower a
vessel), takes approximately ten minutes and an
average of 21 million gallons (95.4 million
litres) of water.

Scenic Canals Drive

marked with special road signs highlights some of
the many points of interest along the canals.
Detailed touring maps are available from
information centres.

Vessel Information

A daily shipping schedule is posting at the Lock 3
Viewing Centre, St. Catharines.

The welland Canal is accessible to private
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W1P: Mark and Brian, that's great. Congratulations!

Snail mail flyers to gig list -- $150. Quarter page ad in the LA Weekly, $400. 3 minute free plug of our 7/28 House of Blues gig on the Mark & Brian show, 95.5 KLOS in Los Angeles? Priceless -- and that's exactly what happened this morning as our drummer Marty talked his way past the call screeners to talk about W1P on one the highest rated radio shows in drive time!

Speaking of "W1P" -- I had run some internet searches to see if the initials were catching on. My search revealed addresses in London that used "W1P" as a postal code. Curious, I posted an inquiry in the Pink Floyd newsgroup to find out where this was in London and whether I could get some photographs of buildings reflecting this code to use on our website (ala the back cover of Abbey Road)

Much to my amazment, I got back a response from a true Floydhead in London who informed me that the legendary UFO club in London was located in the W1P postal code. (FYI, the UFO club was where the Syd Barrett era (66-67) Floyd garnered their following and made their reputation. It is featured in the film "Tonight, Let's All Make Love in London" and was the basis for the name of Micheal Schenker's band UFO). Well this blew my mind and is up there on the coincidence scale with the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz synchronicity thing. Imagine that we use "W1P" as shorthand for our band based on the Floyd song Have A Cigar and "W1P" is the postal code for the club where Floyd got their break! OK, maybe its not that interesting, but I like it. DJ

clas, i hope you didn't spend too much time trying to figure that out about the midi channel change because...

it couldn't be done.

if you read back i said CUSTOMIZED, i.e. NOT a STOCK DX7. very important detail. for example i have ten banks of ON-BOARD patches.

when you gig alot with an instrument for like fifteen years, reliability is a big issue. it's never failed me yet.

knock wood.

Hey gang!

I'd like to direct your attention to a new website that should be of interest to SD fans. Check out: www.navasotarocks.com.

Also, I finally moved the T-shirt page onto my web server and added shopping cart functionality. If you haven't already, consider a cool GB t-shirt during the dog days of Summer. Only $12.95 + shipping. http://www.stalphonzo.com/tshirt.htm, or click on the link at the top of the guestbook.

WOMAD/Peter Gabriel in 9 days. Get ready Ducky -- it's gonna be a partay!

Clas: Yes, that canal is the Erie Canal. Now known as Barge Canal. I just spent some of my vacation last month watching the end of that system, the Waterford Flight of Five. Cool to see 5 locks in a row. Takes boats from the Hudson River the Mohawk River. Huge increase in elevation in about a 1 mile stretch. Amsterdam is also on the canal route. I passed it by, but did not get to stop there this trip. I do want to, sometime.
Interesting area of New York State.

Blaise: My comment was regarding the misspelling of your name. I sometimes wonder if it is you or not. Glad it was. Great stuff.

Craigster: Thanks for the information. :-)

Tones: Glad to see you posting. I love when you talk music. :-)

Good weekend all. I am so gone....

They say we're much too young....

- I can't follow you there.

And now you got me looking at the map, too... am I looking for something that aint there? Or what?

I can see Catskill Mts, Block Island and Southhampton.

Cooperstown, Stamford and Paterson.

Bingham, Albany (the Capitol), and Amsterdam (hum hum Gina! Look out, the Americans got that one copyrighted!).

Syracuse, and, yes, Rochester. Great shit Luckless! That's far up in the mountains isn't it dear honey? That's way too far up in the mountains for a cityslicker. Nooo way!

Do they really give birth to people up there? Are you BORN there?

Jesus Christ Maria baby.

Got to go.

C

PS/ And there's a canal-kind of that takes its way up to the Niagras, isn't it?

no, nothing that cool, my dear - it's a mock name for rochester, new york

like sewercuse is syracuse new york

i can mock it because i grew up there - gives me that free reign

;p

Rottenchester?

That sounds like an IKEA-sofa. Mucho Bergman-Nordic-Blues-Kind-of-thing.

I like that baby,

Rottenchester, is it Manchester (curdoroy?), the clothing?

C

i believe the use of the word "shoe(s)" is sorta like the use of the word "seven" donald loves so much - they sound great in the line in different ways:

to illustrate:

seven seconds christmas line - seven is placed in the middle of the line to break it up with a pinpointed note of saying the word se-ven

shoes is almost alwasy used at the end of a line to smooth it out, as in shoooooooeeessssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzz

am i right?

fusion comments: i have tapes of old jeff lorber work and loved what he did with michael franks, makes me think of my billy cobham tapes too, wasn't his work spectacular? what is he doing nowadays? are the yellowjackets still releasing? these were my college years tunes, sitting alongside my "alternative rock" stuff by the cure, the clash, and yes, the b-52's too! youth is rarely consistent is it - you should see my cd rack, that's even worse!

happy friday, re-synthesize yourself this weekend!

off to rottenchester, new joke, myself for a fun side of the family reunion party, seriously putting the fun in dysfunctional, as always.....

Let's not forget Tomorrows Girls:"They're mixing with the population, a virus wearing Pumps and pearls".

Ooops, sorry for that Stevee, not Stevie.

You better be careful with that one, maybe you could sell it along with your Vox AC 30 ? :)

(and I get so pissed thinking about it; how the hell did you change the MIDI-number on those things? How many hours have you been standing, jumping, on one foot, with no matches but a wet cig in the mouth, a cable in your left hand, asking God, the studio-tech, the Who-ever-who-got-tired and went for the bathroom, asking WHERE THE HELL DO YOU CHANGE THE MIDI-NUMBER? The Story of Your Life? Yeah, the fucking OPERA of the Story of Your life)

About Yamaha S 80; I'm not familiar with those. But hey, weighted keys are golden.

So are alive and/or real drummers too.

---

Did you guys listen to that Chris Potter interview? He's only thirty years old. This has been his gig for ten years now.

Ha!

Ten years.

It's just a decade.

C

Hi Clas -

It's funny that you said that I (or at least used my spelling) still played a Yamaha Dx-7. It was the original Steviedan who said that. But let the fact be known that my main keyboard for the past 10 years has been my Dx-7 II FD. I must admit that I have gotten a bit tired of it, though it is a good reliable keyboard. With the flurry of recent gigging that I have been doing lately, I do have my eyes set on a new keyboard. A weighted key keyboard controller by Yamaha called the S 80. This, to my tastes, is one of the best keyboards that I have ever played. I like it more than the ones that are 2, 3, and 4 times more expensive. It has tons of great sounds in it. It sounds like a Steely Dan - Mike McDonald, Michael Franks, jazz-pop, jazz-fusion keyboard. All of these great piano and rhodes type sounds in it without having to tweak or program anything at all. Currently sells for around $1,400.

To appease the wife, I am collecting my gig cash only to save up for the keyboard. I'm half way there.

What was that old math-teacher saying about getting half-way there means that you never get all of the way there ...

Too scary to think about right now.

Well, steviedan, your recent posts have been nothing short of enlightening. Tones as well. The musical knowledge that you guys possess is quite impressive. It is no mystery that you two are held in such high regard. I also like the large range of music that you guys mention. If there ever was a melting pot socially speaking, it certainly can be said that music creation, music listening, and the discussing and sharing of it leads the way to a peaceful mixing of all the world's cultures.

Wow. Way to heavy for way to early in the morning. I got a major dental appointment this afternoon. That aughta shut me up for a while. (Who really believes this?)

Have yourselves a great morning, day and a great weekend when it comes.

Steveedan

Jim, were you by any chance this skinny little guy in front with the blue fez trying to sneak out? Somebody feed this fellow, quick.

Clas - A "risqué" triangle sound. I'm almost tempted to look for one of those. You should be a salesman, man. Although I understand you are, in a way. I do feel ancient now though. knowing these are considered passé already.

She thinks I'm crazy but I'm just gro-wing oooooold...

Jim, what are you talking about? Oh... that... it's a pic someone who apparently was at one of those Fests sent in claiming it was legit. I usually give the benefit of the doubt until my sources are proven wrong. This person is in a grace period in my book. Can't help thinking there's something wrong with that picture too. urgh

ole - Those things inspire me to no end. What can I say? So I indulge myself in this quiet manner, always. Have a nice veigh kay shun away from all this madness here.

stevie - I thought I was cured for about 5 seconds there. Then I forgot exactly how and why. Is there a support group? This is it, huh?
We ARE hopeless.

"When you greet a stranger, look at his shoes..." as the song goes. Where did you get those shoes indeed, stranger?

angel - well... if you don't like it, it's not me, of course. Was it me? I'm not sure. You have a way of making me doubt everything like that, skeevy.

µ - ”...Emerson, Lake, and Palmer were all over the Moog and other synthesizers in 1973. By that time synthesizer had shown up quite a bit in pop music. The first synthesizers were *analog*....”

Thanks so much for the information. It's quite interesting for an aging brain to see that it was as early as 1975 the Synclavier was introduced. And the Fairlight 1979.

What I had back in my mind was; the idea that those early Synthesizers never were called... Synthesizers. Just because that Analog and Digital thing. It was a long shot but what the hell.

And SteveeDan - you can't be serious, are you STILL playing that old DX7? Those Old Ham Keys???

Holy shit, I think I better go back to the grocery store and get my Synthesizer back. It had a plastic Mickey Mouse-feel, but who cares? The Triangel sounded, if not good, at least a bit risque, at the time.

I settle for that.

tones - ahhh, Traffic, yes indeed, being an gnarly anti-Beatle during my furtively sun-in-zenith Puberty, I turned to guys like Spencer Davies Group and... yesss, Steve Winwood. HE was my hero, he was seventeen, he had an electric guitar, he could pose, strike an attitude and he could SING.

God, could that dude sing?

Take this Hammer, Keep on Running, I'm a Man...

And being the same ”angry looks under long-hair”-teenager I found myself on my way into town (on the sub-way) an ordinary Thursday-night, with tickets in hand to that show with Traffic. I was excited, thrilled, and it was cosmic. And I felt so good about the whole fucking cirkus.

On the way home my Gym Teacher, of all people, came up to me on the sub-way, saying;

-I can't understand what you are doing on town this late.

-You will never understand that, I've been listening to music. Goodnight sir.

C

i.e. that Jean Luc Ponty stuff: Ralphy Armstrong was a monster... think there's some mike Stern involved too...

That Dregs gig was more like 1982...

Shakti...

wOw stevied - as you know, I'm not as "inside" as most people tend to think, being basically just a guy who pushes the buttons on the cash box and and orders product and files product and helps people through the alphabet and answers the phone while keeping tabs on the youth in the rap section and providing the occasional cheap therapy while finding time to post (screw the rest of that stuff...). I've never claimed to know a lot about music, but I tend to know a bit about the stuff I like, like the Dan. Every time I might start to feel the least bit knowledgeble about music, someone asks for something like Atahalpa Yupanqui (the "Peruvian Bob Dylan", been around since the 60's apparently, but see, you probably already knew that). I do learn about different musical values working there, and I try to ask our regulars who like and know specific genres I don't what's good. So the store reflects the tastes of our community somewhat, with our oddities and shots in the dark here and there (we were probably one of only a couple stores here in the Bay Area with the entire Yoko catalog for instance. That was my freak flag for a while...), which works for us in that we don't have to try to carry *everything* (too expensive), and I don't have to try to keep up with everything. Like I had no idea there was a new Al Kooper set. But I do find things here and there I binge on, for instance there a new compilation from 6 degrees called Samba Soul 70's that's smokin, and the new Geggy Tah is really floating my boat this week. And the new Hugh Cornwell (ex-Stranglers). I'll share more if others pitch in, 'cause I don't want to dominate the rap, jack.

Btw, my song of the week is "Medical Science". I'm pretty damn late on the mp3 tip, but that's an everyday spin right now...

My fusion list goes somewhat like this: first three Mahavishnu albums, Cobham's Spectrum, all things Weather Report (listened to I Sing the Body Electric the other day. Maaan... what planet was *that* recorded on?). I found Return to Forever (Where Have I Known You is the only one I still own) through Stanley Clarkes solo stuff (especially Journey to Love and the 1st one) then Al Di solo (Midnight Sun, Elegant Gypsy) even some Lenny White (Venusian Summer, Streamline). Santana's fusion period, especially Borboletta and Lotus, Jeff Lorber's Soft Space (which I wish I still had) umm... Bill Connors, Bruford, Brand X, early *Dixie* Dregs, oh and Jean Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean and Cosmic Messenger. The usual suspects: Blow x Blow, Wired, There & Back. I discovered "prog" later, but I would put some Chicago, Earth Wind & Fire, and Dan in there as fusion. I was turned off in two ways by later fusion in that the fusion either seem to be more jazz/pop (post "Breezin'" and "Feel So Good", both of which I liked), which sold more, than jazz/rock, and those that didn't go jazz/pop became more chop oriented. Seemed like Weather Report was all that was left for a while, but I was probably just missing out on what was *really* going on. After all, I was in Ohio in the late 70's. (where the Dregs played to an audience of about 50 people in my hometown in 1979. We had 'em all to ourselves).

I think we've got enough for part's 1 - 3 of "Fusion". Only on our miniseries, let's have Don & Walt be the "Saviors of Fusion" with the release of Aja... It was a "slight return" but closer to the truth, im ever implied if not stated ho...

thanks for the "jazz and conversation"...

t

btw... "silly man" lol! Exactly - what was he thinking?

Blaisey: that pic looks tremendously akin to a frat party I was priviledged to attend. A long time ago. No, really...

CaraMia: Re Outer Banks Fest, you mean to say that Dano's hubba hubba is bringing along a bubba bubba? Sorry couldn't resist :-)

Blaise--you baaaad man!

dr mu, as usual i thank you for the research. i am not quite through with buzz. i still play a customized dx7 and that yamaha stuff sure takes lickin' and keeps on well... buzzin'. the timeline reminded me of many names i haven't heard in years.

and blaise, that queen disclaimer always impressed me about as much as saying that no jew's harps were used. with guitar tone like brian may's and nineteen tracks of vocals, who missed it ? btw, dr. stevie is glad he could lead you to a traumatic epiphany, but a cure was never mentioned. your shit is CHRONIC and TERMINAL so live with it, blaise. dan for life. it could be worse.

took a little time today trading un-needed cd's for treasures like the new bill evans/don elliott reissue and a swell duo session with chris potter and kenny werner from '96. weird. i just realized that they are both duo cd's. anyway, also got a ronald shannon jackson, a mark elf, a roy haynes, a quincy jones/sammy nestico basie trib, and you should have seen the junk i traded for them ! it was a very good day.

welcome pearl quarter.

GINA ! unabashedly i plead, come back home...

cara, did you see my post yestiddy ? sorta s'plains my fest status. i've been keeping your e fresh until i could get a verdict here. may relegate myself to rest-stop status for you, your beau, and the other denizens. greasy spoon, door mat, gun rack, something.

tones you silly man ! we are all joiner-in-ers. that's why we're HERE and i don't think you join in nearly enough, though lately you've been coming back around. now that i am shilling hardcore musical knowlege, you ARE my man on the inside of the record industry. you didn't even tell me about the new al kooper rarities collection or new nanci griffith coming out. i'm countin on you, man. fusion ? i'm glad to be reminded that i mentioned bruford's "one of a kind" here. that was on a holdsworth thread i believe. you would have to include him, mahavishnu, morse & the dregs, chick corea incarnations, herbie hancock, miles, mike stern, scott henderson & tribal tech, pastorius/weather report of course, lots of tonecenter, shrapnel, & magna carta label stuff, the C.A.B. projects (chambers/macalpine/brunel). sometimes the lines between fusion and prog blur. i'm a sucker for creative utilization of massive chops. when i run across something new and worthy i'll mention it to you but as i said, you are in the inner sanctum now. share the tones.

everybody, share your tones.

jj--very cool on Niven! Re: cheatin' chinos: The nice thing is we can all hear what we want to, and that makes it interesting.

Blaise--of course. Quel gaffe, not to have a proper title. Discuss amongst yourselves.

Y'all can write kd@onhoops.com for more beach info, or the Raleigh list. I'm gone--see you in 2 weeks.

cookies and Cuervo...

Two words to describe the nature of the Dan?

flowers and shoes

caramel and vinegar

inside and out

...

Dano,
I can't even get an 8 o'clock reservation at spago's. this means to the hollywood crowd i am invisible. therefore, i don't know what scorsese's up to. however, i did see nancy reagan in a restaurant a while ago. she looks anorexic. maybe 80 pounds, 40 of it in her head. the rest is a stick. if i see her again i'll ask her, but i don't think she hangs with scorsese. another guy to ask would be john gotti, but he's in the cooler.

Beautiful day in L. A. Hope it stays that way....

Danfest names: I really like the "Me, Myself and one more chimp who isn't here" one. There always seems to be someone missing at these things. :-)

Blaise: Was that really you with the Danfest names?

St. Al: Thanks for the info on the cookies. I end up deleting them after every session. But that's just me.

Craigster: Check your email.

Cool shoes thread. I never put them all together, like that. Does this say something about Don and Walt? A foot fetish, perhaps.... Nah!

Heading out to San Diego for a weekend filled with sun and sand and Steelydamned. Looking for that Cuervo Gold. Wahoo!

Make tonight a wonderful thing....

Hey ||||| How are you?

But man, I was just following directions. The question asked about "shoes" in quotations as shown at the left here. I know about Bad Sneakers, and those other 2, but I wasn't looking for it. In fact I went back to re-read the question and when I saw the quotation signs, I felt that I followed the directions of the question in its most proper meaning.

It's like the old SAT tests in high school. But, if we expand the question, now we are up to 10 Shoe (or should I say foot wear) mentions in Steely Dan songs.

You can do anything but stay off of my blue suede shoes OK?

Stevee (Morris Florsheim) Dan (Thom McCann) Man

Make that magazine issue the current month, which makes it a serendipitous occurence with The Dan doing "Carey".

8. FM: "Kick off your high-heeled sneakers, it's party time"
9. Trans-Island Skyway: "Come on kick off those heels, ma'am"
10. Bad Sneakers: "Bad sneakers and a pina colada, my friend" (mentioned in the previous, un-numbered post)

Steely Dan probably recorded Joni Mitchell's "Carey" last month without reading Delta Airlines' June issue of _Sky_ Magazine, which features an article about the imaginary Mermaid Cafe depicted in the song, although maybe they did get inspired by it:

http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/0107ds.cfm

Looking forward to retsina-like moments with some of you next month on the dunes...

Oleander--I may fly into a Raleigh rendezvous with a beau-in-tow, but thanks for the ride offer.

Who else is considering coming?

xoxo,
cara mia

Radar,

No question SD has a thing bout shoes. I know they have influenced me when purchasing shoes. I think of Pretzel Logic at every shoe purchase.

Looking for references to mom & dad together, as parents. I always assusmed the "folks" to be his parents but it is a stretch. Daddy is mentioned in another song and I believe mom and sis are called out in Tomorrow Girls.

I'll go with what he said...

We've got a really big Shoe - (Thank's Ed Sulivan)

1. Only A Fool Would Say That - "Imagine your face, there in his place standing inside his brown shoes."

2. Your Gold Teeth - "All you got to do is use your silver shoes - a gift for the runaround."

3. Pretzel Logic - "I stepped up on the platform. The man gave me the news. He said, You must be joking son. Where did you get those shoes?"

4. Black Friday - "Gonna do just what I please. Gonna wear no socks and shoes. With nothing to do but feed all the kangaroos."

5. Sign In Stranger - "Do you like to take a yo-yo for a ride.
Zombie I can see you're qualified. Walk around collecting Turkish union dues. They will call you sir and shine your shoes."

6. Gaucho - "Who is the gaucho amigo? Why is he standing in your spangled leather poncho and your elevator shoes?"

7. The Goodbye Look - "I know a fellow with a motor launch for hire. A skinny man with two-one shoes."

So actually it's 7 Steely Dan tunes with "Shoes" in the lyrics, with one of them being from Fagen's Kamakiriad.

Now, if you don't mind, I need to 2-step it outta here.

Shoeydan (The Shine-ola Kid)

Shoes: Bad Sneakers, Pretzel Logic, Gaucho, Your Gold Teeth and huh... I'm drawing a blank. Can I phone a friend?

Should I refuse her cookies?

Quarter Pearl: In reference to mentioning parents, on Trans-Island Skyway, Don sings "Is that my father mowing the lawn, come on daddy get in let's go." Can anybody name 5 SD tunes that mention "SHOES"? (Actually 2 are from Dons' solo Lps but hey that counts right?

from the ODP:

"Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine"

Anon 0955: Well, if that's true we might hear the synth. blues harp again after all? Fagen's statement about tuning or lack of it and modern synths is from back about 1991 (source: Jazziz).

Howdy folks!

I have just returned from my "Around the World in 45 days" cruise. Jules Verne has nothing on .......me!

As I understand it, Vinney and I have been wrongly accused of serving dog at the diner. Our policy is to serve both 2 legged and 4 legged customer. We do not discrminate our service to anyone regardless of race, creed, religion, musicians, preachers, poachers, nationality, education, criminal history,or political party, they all taste the same.

In no particular order:

1/4 Pearl - I always thought "the folks" could be any folk, but maybe you're right...

StvEEdn, jjflash - sunglasses used to be called "cheaters", I assume because you couldn't see the person who was wearing them's eyes if you were playing poker with them, but I could be wrong...

steviedan - crackin' me up with the Augustus Pablo reference. I bet Stevie Wonder gets pissed at coming in second every year... I was going jump in the Traffic (verbal) jam with you (When the Eagle Flies - yes!), DANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (yo dude!), and clas, but I didn't want to seem like a joiner-in-er, then again, Dave Mason sang "You Can All Join In", so I will. I really have been listening to the second album and Shoot Out a lot lately, especially Shoot Out. Great guitar on the title cut. They were never afraid of odd times either. Best tamborine ever on "Tragic Magic"? And Chris Wood... no better (other?) use of wah wah on flute and sax. However, I think even Capaldi would want to rerecord the drums on "(Sometimes I Feel So) Uninspired". Maybe it's just me... Btw, you and I seem to have similar tastes in fusion, somewhat/kinda (you mentioned Timeless a while back, and One Of A Kind, *and* Where Have I Known you B-4... all my faves) I would dig trading a top 10-15 fusion list with you sometime. Hell, maybe we should produce our own miniseries for PBS called "Fusion". What d'ya say?

whoever mentioned Kid Creole a while ago... There's a new K. C. and the Coconuts album, "Too Cool to Conga", a swing album 3 years too late to be a sell out, recorded basically live, with *killer* horn charts. I was underwhelmed on first listen, not being a big swinghead, but 2nd - on going listenings is making the standout tracks pop out big time, especially a track called "Man, oh Man". The Kid is back.

I think.

Snakie, hope all's well. Miss ya. You tooooooooo Jen!

Ok. Obigatory SD moment, and I've ben saving this one for months: Every day for the last 6 months there's been construction going on at a gas station on my way to work here, by a company called "sdDeacon". I've got to get a picture of their sign before they finish...

oh and stevied - thanks for the Guitar Player tip. Our soon-to-be ex magazine distributor hasn't brought us GP or Musician in a long while, dispite our requests. But they have no problem supplying us with Celebrity Hairstyles. Have yet to find a SD article in it, but will keep you all posted.

Ok that's it. Not a home run, but maybe a bases clearing triple...

Here's a couple of swirls for Aja and Gina...

t

steveedan- i agree with your analysis of egttm now that i've read that interpretation of it, but i'll admit that wasn't my first thought of the word "cheaters."

MC: Yeah,start the projection machine. One slide at a time.

Re: Un-tunability of modern digital synths - not so, most newer (good) synths give you a multitude of tuning variations, including micro-tonality.

I believe "Pearl of the Quarter" is bout a short, sweet & satifying relationship DF had in Orleans. She must have been special. Also, I can't believe more DanFans have not discussed "Any World". This is not typical Dan irony,(neither is "Pearl"). I am particular fond of the verse "I be ready when my feet touch ground" and "If the folks will have me, then will have me". I can not recall any other songs where they refer to their parents.

Comments?

Hi there.

From "Everyone's Gone To The Movies", I am quite convinced that the term "cheaters" refers to falsies, as in fake breasts, it could even extend to more shapely and rotund buttockses !!!

Think of the context of the song. Mr. La Page is showing 16 mm films in his den, ... see what you never have seen, ... take off your cheaters and sit right down, and start the projection machine. Everyone's Gone To The Movies, now we're alone at last (so that Mr. La Page can fondle "the listener" like Uncle Ernie does in the Who's Tommy). Leud, lascivious, devoid of moral content?, skeevy (dan)? -- YOU BETCHA !!!

Thanks Blaise (item's not relating to this post ...)

Steveedan (MFM for the SFB) -- LA DANFEST @ PALADINO'S 8/11/01

My understanding of Mr. Fagen's problem with the ARP, was that it would not stay in tune for more than a moment.

Mr. Fagen's current problem with synths is far different. The digital synths now are mostly 'tuned at the factory." Thus the artist is not able to tune them at all to suit their ear and use...

Hey - You talkin' bout' me !?!

Re: The great synth debate - Is it not true t say that Donald detests the beasts ue to their tuning being different from a piano IE Absolute as opposed to relative

Plus - They were responsible for the worst song ever - "The final countdown" by Europe

Mullet mania of the worst kind

Long live the guitar !!

PS Larry Carlton is still god

I somehow pictured cheaters as a kind of tennis sneaker.

...I can't believe I'm getting worked up about this.

Ole, it's gotta be Chinos. They even fit the time period when 8mm was all the rage(60's).

...feet firmly planted.

.....the kamakura (hmmm?) period of the japanese culture was the host of the great god bodhittsava, i think there may be a correlation here, i'll have to get back to you, i just broke my heels again running from an alien and i lost the keys to my rent-a-car again......

.....but seriously, i was at that temple and everything, a grand site to see, it is so overwhelming an immediate silence fills the room once people enter - i will pull the stuff i picked up at that temple when i get home and post more here tomorrow.....

...overtime again.

Lp:You saw Roxy Music???? You lucky....lucky.....bastard. I had looked at Ticketmaster dates left, to see if any would fit in my vacation period, but sadly, no. I had wondered if Ferry was still fronting, for without him it's not Roxy. Well I hope they're lasting memories. I'm green with envy.

Oleander:Oh, god. I stuck my neck out too far. I have nothing concrete to say Fagen reads Larry Niven, just some similarities:
Niven's antagonists are usually opponants without evil intent(countermoon&tomorrow's girls). Niven wrote a short story with multiple moons as a background and the effect they had on people and environment,whether one or more were full at a time(think of the different tide levels with three moons in various stages). Self-sufficient airships/vehicles are featured in his books(kamakiriad).Niven's books are not the blood and guts type of science fiction(early Norman Spinrad or military Heinlen), but not as whimsical as Douglas Adams. That's about it. It was a theory I arrived at when Kamakiriad came out, and I may have been reading Niven at the time. What I'm reading, colors what I'm listening to.

Another theory(don't roll your eyes) is Fagen is an avid gardner. This may be a case of cross-transference or whatever you want to call the influence of one subject to another. Being a gardner myself, I've noticed a lot of flower references in SD songs, but right now I can only think of a few: Oleander,rose,dahlia, and marigold. Are there any more? Stick that question into the Anon data computer and see what list comes up.

Cheaters instead of Chinos? I'm disappointed. Chinos(the brand name pants)fits so much better in a sexploitation song, and maybe I've got that wrong too! Fagen's not above using brand names. Where is cheaters used as a word for glasses? It really doesn't add anything to the song, either. Just my opinion.

St.Al:A firewall is what I've been told is the reason I can't chat. You learn something new every lifetime.

Water?!!!!!?????

yeah like,I grok yeah on that one.. check it out, StAL....

http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

:D

Hi Blaise --

Would you send me an email please? I have some questions that I would like to ask you which are not for the "open yellow page forum". Don't worry, it's nothing bizarre. Just a few questions about some live concerts.

Thanks

Steveedan

steviedan ~ yeah Cyn and I were discussing great "dames" one day..
and listed Pats and Eddy as some of the finest. So I'm not sure how it came about but sweetie darling Eddy is Cyn's muse and Pats is me..( but I don't really go around picking up random objects and snorting them like there would be a trace of coke on (them)...
and I also don't sleep with a ciggie hanging out of my mouth LOL.

But yeAH furrrrrrrreaky what happened to you,wee do wee do- Miss Cleo for sure... with the MariAnne Faithful thing..oddness and,,,,well u know..oddities!!

Hey StAl yah big lug ..why yah wanna go and say YEAH THAT THING YOU JUST PAID HARD COLD CASH FOR SUCKS MAN!!!!! ? when I read that I was also hearing( in my head) -Neil Youngs- "saw it on the tube, bought it on the phone, now you're home alone, it's a piece of crap.. PIECE OF CRAP!!!
I tried to plug it in
I tried to turn it on
when I got it home
It was a piece of crap

got it from a friend
On him you can depend
I found out in the end it was a piece of crap

I went back to the store
they gace me four MORE
the guy told me at the door ..
it's a piece of crap

P I E C E OF CRAP

HA!..well thanks for TOTALLY clearing that up anyways ; 0

µ..great notes on the history of the "keyboards" yes yes! and this is exactly why ( I mentioned before) that Depeche Mode is considered one of the pioneers of "Techno" music..and Fletch is a mighty fine player.. I might ad.

Ha Ha

On the day that the new crime figures were released I awake to find that my van has been vanderlised.
With both wing mirrors removed.
The local bobby's arrested a man in the next street carring a wing mirror @ 1.30am.
A total of 8 cars had been ''modified''

Looks light my old teacher was right I will end up in court afterall.

Time to comb that wheel of justice.

Going back to Kamakiriad I think it's pure ''pop''

Duncan

Huh?

WARNING! More tech talk (because that's what I do)

Regarding cookies: This site does not use cookies. At least, I do not use cookies. There's really no need for me to do this. What that anon poster is seeing are cookies related to the counter I have on the radio station page, which I can't prevent, though I do have some control over. Read below...

Now, as eLLe says, cookies aren't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, in general they make browsing the web a much more enriching experience. They simplify tasks and allow for a more customized experience. Every time you submit a password to enter a site, every time you customize your start page like MSN, Yahoo!, whatever, you're introducing cookies onto your system. Now, here's a reason why that counter places a cookie on your system. Counter's count the page hits a particular page receives. Me, as the author of that page, has the ability to set the counter to only count a hit from a unique IP address one time. This would prevent the counter from counting the same IP (person) over and over. Remember the Guestbook Poll we used to have? Another example why/when cookies are used -- it prevented (sort of) people from voting more than once.

To fear cookies is a little absurd. You might as well go back to reading books and watching television. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned about your privacy while online. And as eLLe pointed out there are a number of ways to proactively monitor what websites are placing cookies, snooping, phoning-home, whatever. She mentioned Black Ice defender as a good personal firewall. This I (and many others) take exception with. Black Ice sucks compared to Zone Alarm, which is free. Whatever you do avoid a product called Lockdown2000. It's a scam. Another excellent tool is called Ad-Adware. It scans your system for software designed to "phone-home" information about your online practices and usage. I highly recommend it and best of all it's free! Finally, I highly recommend a website run by Steve Gibson. His site has an online port scanner which will scan your computer and look for vulnerabilities. Guess what? FREE!

One more thing. Hacking is more of a problem than one might think. The single biggest problem individuals face is not having some cracker (Hackers are good. Crackers are malicious) take over your system and delete your hard drive. The real problem is a vulnerable system is capable of being cracked into and used a drone for the crackers malicious intent. Using the same type of technology used by the wildly popular SETI At Home, a cracker can place a trojan horse virus on your system that effectively allows control over the system resources. These resources (computers) can be combined to create Denial Of Service (DDoS) attacks on other machines (remember last year when eBay and a host of other sites disappeared for a day or two?). The most vulnerable systems are cable modem users running Windows. In most cases they run without a firewall and therefore are wide open for this type of crack. Again, check out Steve Gibson's excellent site. Below are a list of URL's to the sites I mention.

You may go back to talking synthesizers now...

http://www.zonealarm.com (firewall)
http://www.grc.com (click on the "shields up" link)
http://www.lavasoftusa.com (Ad-Aware)

blaise, i love it when you wax sentimental on me, gets me all choked up and everything.....sniff

And Queen started printing their famous "No synthesizers!" remark in theur sleeve notes around 1973-75 or so. Obviously distancing themselves from the use of such devices elsewhere in the recording industry or, at the very least, aiming to disarm the suspicion that it was ever used to create the distinctive aural palette of their early work.
pfft
I know I was impressed.

History of Synthesizers in the 60s and 70s:

1 9 6 0
Milan Electronic Music Studio director: Luciano Berio Italy 1960
Moog Synthesisers Robert Moog USA 1963
The Mellotron & Chamberlin Leslie Bradley United Kingdom 1963
Buchla Synthesisers Donald Buchla USA 1963
The Donca-Matic DA-20 Keio Corp Japan 1963
The Synket Paul Ketoff United Kingdom 1963
Tonus/ARP Synthesisers Philip Dodds USA 1964
PAiA Electronics, Inc John Paia Simonton USA 1967
MUSYS Software David Cockrell & Peter Grogno United Kingdom 1968
EMS Synthesisers Peter Zinovieff & David Cockrell United Kingdom 1969

1 9 7 0
GROOVE System Max Mathews USA 1970
The Optigan Mattel Inc. USA 1970
The Electronium-Scott Raymond Scott USA 1970
Con Brio Synthesisers - USA 1971
Roland Synthesisers Roland Corporation Japan 1972
Maplin Synthesisers Trevor G Marshall Australia/USA 1973
The Synclavier New England Digital Corporation USA 1975
Korg Synthesisers Korg Japan 1975
EVI wind instrument Nyle Steiner USA 1975
EDP Wasp Chris Hugget UK 1978
Yamaha Synthesisers Yamaha Corp Japan 1976
PPG Synthesisers Wolfgang Palm Germany 1975
Oberheim Synthesisers Thomas Oberheim USA 1978
Serge Synthesisers - - 1979
The Fairlight CMI Peter Vogel & Kim Ryrie Australia 1979

http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/

Supposedly, the Yamaha DX7 was the first one with full digital midi capability. At least the first one in pop music. Musicians? By this time "synth artists/bands" like Gary Numan, Duran Duran, Human League, Depeche Mode, early Talk Talk, the Thompson Twins, etc. etc. were peaking..

"The DX7 Synthesiser and DX range

The Yamaha DX7 mkII Synthesiser 1983

The DX7 synthesiser was the first truly digital synthesiser and was released with great commercial success in 1983, selling over 180,000 units. The DX7 used a type of synthesis Yamaha called "Frequency Modulation" developed by Professor John Chowning at Stanford University in the 1970s. In FM synthesis sounds are created by interacting units known as 'operators', which can act as 'carriers' or 'modulators'. Each one is a sine wave that can be shaped and given its own pitch. When connected, one modulates the sound of the other to produce a new pitch and tone. The arrangement of operators and their relative pitches determines the final timbre produced. The DX7 has six operators that can be placed in 32 arrangements ('algorithms'). There's a also host of other parameters and a complex envelope that has two values for each point.

The LCD input controls of the DX7 appeared daunting to most keyboard players used to traditional analogue sliders and knobs. Most users only touched the surface of the synthesis possibilities of the DX7, instead relying on a series of sound card cartridges marketed by Yamaha to overcome the programming complexity.

The DX7 was one of the first synths with a full complement of MIDI ports. It also has a unique breath controller input port. This device allowed the user to manipulated the instruments timbre using breath pressure via a mouth held tube. The DX7 has 16-note polyphony, a 61-note velocity and an aftertouch-sensing keyboard, 32 onboard memories, additional cartridge memory and monophonic output.."

Clas, I hate to tell you, but I built a toy synthesizer in the 70s (it sucked, but a hobby, ya know). Emerson, Lake, and Palmer were all over the Moog and other synthesizers in 1973. By that time synthesizer had shown up quite a bit in pop music. The first synthesizers were *analog*. The digital MIDIS came later (early 1980s??) - maybe that's what you're thinking of. The first synthesizers in pop hit music I think were found in the Beach Boys ' Good Virbrations and the Supremes' Reflections. Then of course was the dreaded mellotron-like things used by King Crimson and the Beatles (Strawberry Fields?) and the Moody Blues.

http://www.synt.nu/history/#synth

µ - really? Synthesizer back in 1973? Don't think so.

Blaise - u r s p r u n g .

Yes, it runs pretty deep.

C

It's the Outer Banks Danfest now already? darn. ole. I tried...

Hommage to a Mansfield Maidenhead

Spread your wings (during office hours)
and fly away
(on our payroll)
Fly away
(from it all)
Far away
(to Japan)
Spread your little wings and...
Imagine a Leonard Cohen rap over that Classic Queen track...
I know I can hear it.
Avalon backup is like cooeing. Like some bird having an orgasm. She pulled it off, huh?
Great.

Clas: Why ...yes...and I don't believe an ARP is a Moog. Under the credits for Countdown:

Donald Fagen: Piano, Electric Piano, Synthesizer, and Mainly Vocals

Not enough to host a Danfest, guys. You have to have a name for it. Some suggestions this morning:

Me, Myself and one more chimp who isn't here
BYO Beach Fez Bash
The Thrilla in Corolla
subscribe and/or die
Reeling Raleigh Rally
Sideways on the Beach: KD's plush toe sucking gang bang party in sensuous surroundings

The final choice of theme is your call, of course.

stevie - You just reminded me of the very first time I was ever lead to notice the musicianship involved in Steely Dan. Long ago (oh long go), I first was made aware of this through some guitar mag's special issue on "Guitar Gods" (or something). It included Skunk, Denny, Carlton... I remember it grabbing my curiosity at the time. You just pointed to the Origin of it all, the Ursprung, Clas...
I am cured!
Clas on Fuego! There ARE Chris Potter fans. Any "Potfests" to look forward to? Sounds good. I am NOT making fun of you, my German friend. You are on Fuego.

I love Harry Potter.

- there's no Potter like my Plotter.

Lars! I AM going to Paris, no hurries, and by the bye, what are YOU doing? Covering the Stockholm Jazz Festival from the Riviera?

Do they have PALMTREES down there?

C

Hi Clas; still in Sweden? Thought you were going to Paris... .

Potter-fans; there´s an RA-intervue with Chris Potter from the Stockholm Jazz Festival on this link:

http://www.svd.se/jazz/

(click on "webb TV" and scroll down. Among other he speaks about playing on 2wN. Good.

There´s a nice Jazz/Blues/whateverFestival here in Nice. Gonna try Pink Martini on thuesday.

the Stranger - yepp, there it is, the Opera House that is.

We will be standing back to the left, in the shades. No grins, just going; where the did my little Espadrillo go?

http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A10253537

c

It's raining again.

µ - yeah! Men and the Machines, wasn't it? Fagen couldn't have the darn thing tuned in, D or whatever, while his fingers slipped over the keys.

Its desteny was quite understandable.

But do we call those Arp-Moog-stuff for Synths?

Did they?

No.

C

other than ole, everyone seems so gee whiz excited about the guitar player mag features ! i guess i'll just have to wait by the mailbox for my next issue of "melodica monthly". i can't wait for the next reader's poll to see augustus pablo win for yet another year ! can you believe it ?

ole, i hope that issue has hit the stands for you. i wanted to let you and cara know that i'm still waiting to find out if i will have an opportunity to earn rather than spend money that weekend. i hate for it to come down to that, but i'm having to compensate for the cash flow dip. if i end up with gig(s) that conflict, maybe i can arrange for some dinner for weary travelers eager for a pit stop. either way, i'll know in a day or two. but don't give away my seat in your chevy van yet...

lp, that was a nice roxy review and i'm not even crazy about the band...

so elle, that was YOU ! the whole marianne faithful triumvirat was getting a little "miss cleo" on me there. and jjflash, "20th century blues" came out in '96, if that's recent. she's more in tune on that record than usual.

dano, i want to say that's right about dave mason touring with fleetwood mac, but i'm not sure. he just recently released a disc with jim capaldi that i own but haven't listened to yet (as usual, chronically behind). friends tell me it's a very good one. favorite dave mason solo ? hands down, "split coconut". squeaky clean.

okay blaise, wormy ? ollie ollie...

and i miss ducky.

To quote myself as I read your post: "Yeah. YEAH! Absolutely!"

majordudette-have a looky-loo @ Pete Fogels site at his photies and you will see some of these bizarre instruments being played by DF.

NMN--I am CRUSHED. I will be in the wilds of northern Michigan for your tete a tete a.... Think you can convince him to come to the Outer Banks next month?

steviedan--Effusive thanks for the Guitar Player tip. The one essential pre-trip stop tomorrow will be Downtown Books & News to pick it up. Say--if you want a ride to Corolla, I'll be passing right through. Got a van--I can carry the whole band.

MC--Celtfests are a dime a dozen in the Appalachians/ Smokies/ Blue Ridge. Come to the beach! BTW--spectacular pic.

Ed--I think someone has mistaken you for someone else with more d's in their name. Hey--so good to talk with you.

Dano--when will you be in Orlando? Maybe we can have the sequel there!

fuckf--I mean fezo--hey! you all come if you can. Shades of Fests past.

cara--awright! Carpool?

tones--how about Mr. B doing "Trouble Man"?

jj--Please expand on the Larry Niven connection. And it is cheaters, which is an old school term for glasses. However, Sky King also once commented that chinos works well in context....

||||--always a pleasure.

don't know aboot anyone else but I'm havin a great wackin bollocking time innit..in the mean time
huh hhuh huh

Surfing the ODP today at lunch and found out this information about Carolyn Leonhart. She is singing, with Claudia Acuna, at the Iridium tonight through Sunday 7/22. If you live in New York, you might like to check it out. She also has a Great Barrington, MA date in August, for the New England crowd.

http://www.carolynleonhart.com/

The direct link to the club.

http://www.iridiumjazzclub.com/

Floridavid: So sorry to get you into this mess, mea culpa. :-)

NMN: Good luck on the possible Danfest. Very funny that you picked a point between your 2 jobs. If it is the building in Connecticut that I am thinking of, it is surrounded by woods. It was very nice looking in the pictures I saw last year.

Craigster: I haven't forgotten you. Just trying to get my ducks in line before emailing you. :-)

Blaiser: Shout out to you.

Good evening all....

New York City no more....

With the posts about chat venues, I wanted to remind everyone of a really great chat venue full of friendly Dan Fans that started about three years ago. It's over at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/steelydanfanclub . You can chat with Dan fans there anytime you want but we have an informally designated time of meeting there from 9-11 pm ET on Monday evenings. You do have to set up a yahoo login but it's free and takes a minute to do. We're a freindly bunch. I like it as much as here.

Just a idea for the chat alternative question. Good luck.

Sue

cookies aren't a bad thing really
they were designed to enable computers to communicate and recognize each other...
a site will send you a cookie, which is a packet of info which enables your machine to recognize the site
however in the wrong hands cookies can be used to monitor you, to trace your surfing activites and establish a profile of your habits, which can then be used against you, if the hacker is able to indentify you by your IP.
this is a highly criminal activity, but there is plenty of soft ware out there you can buy, or download- freeware or share ware
that will block cookies from sites that you choose to block, that will block sites that track you while you are surfing other sites, and that will block any one that attempts to hack into your system for information...for anything ..to read your email..to put a virus on it..or to take control.
usually if you are just a personal user..hackers aren't interested in you, but if you're on a corporate server you can be sure there are plenty of hackers trying to get as much info as possible..
so what you are seeing is St.Als server communicating with your computer..after you send a message here, or when you first hook up to the page
so ..cookies not really being a bad thing , it is recommended that you protect your ass
try I D cide..which will block tracking sites and is freeware
and Black-Ice which is a personal Firewall ( about 40$) it will block anyone trying to hack into your sysytem AND give you INFO about THEM if you decide to lodge a formal complaint, because it gives you their IP address..and server name etc. along with any other details it can find.

I was looking through my MS Internet Explorer configuration and found all these cookies from cloudpoint.com with a bunch of names all starting with stalphonzo. Are these related to this site? If so, what are they used for? I'd sure hate to have my computer monitored when I come here.

NMN - Sounds tempting but I think I'll have to pass. I've been travelling a lot lately and also am having company that Saturday... BTW did you mean Thursday the 26th or Friday the 27th? Sounds like a fun place from Floridavid's description.

Dave- thanks for clearing that up with everyone. saves me some time. =)

Clas: Donald's first synth as far as I know was the ARP used in King of the World and Bodisatthva from Countdown. Denny Dias I think? relayed a story, that's buried somewhere in the ODP archives, where the ARP (which "plays" only one "note" or sound - no chords) ended up as a burning fireball hurtling down the stairs outside the LA studio, because Donald discovered it was virtually impossible to keep the ARP in tune for a reasonable period of time...

a fool's errand? HAVE YAH TAKEN LEAVE OF YER SENSHES LAD??

Spyro Gyra-haven't heard any for yonks..a little 3Wishes-now playing...
..

ah yes
:D

.....enimen...it's a local place...for local people

(teeheee jj)