User: Slang Me | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Tomorrow's for squirrels -- tonight's for seals ;-)
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Rajah: Duncan and I are not talking about these boards, we are talking about Steely Dan dot com. Walter has been known to send messages from the road, or have the website do stuff (pictures, etc). Nothing so far. It is as if they are not on tour yet. In case Walter (or other tour members) read this, we have indeed noticed. Nuff said.
St. Al: Just in case you thought I couldn't read your post from the other day, man you do know how to get yourself into trouble. So sorry to hear the whole sordid mess.
Hope you and the family manage to get to the Gorge OK.
User: Smooth Retsina | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: db - Now THAT'S funny, thank you, whoa.
King you can still purchase the Plush TV Jazz Rock Party DVD at Amazon or DeepDVD or any number of places online.
Angel baby I think Walt's been on here already, but, just WHO is he? Dats the quez-shaun.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Duncan: I didn't think you were asking too much. I guess Walter doesn't want to come out and play this tour. :-(
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: King Richard: Check amazon.com Click the link above, or copy.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6305846480/qid=1059690991/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-9182877-7810459?v=glance&s=video
User: king richard | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: from today's denver post:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~206~1543566,00.html
User: king richard | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: anybody know how to get a copy of the show from PBS a couple of years ago?
User: db | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: ''christ it's the first already''
sd band fall in
we'll open with
nada
voyer gold reeth
my old gruel
kid carling mamed
sign in strangler
green herrings (wb vocals)
everything (on your) bib
slack cow !!!
deacon bruises (awww)
fag break / oxegene...whatever
things i mix the most
gammor profession
shoebound
my watery loo
encore
pic sally eene
every mush goo
User: db | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: any signs of these shows being recorded ?
it would be a shame if the mumber of people who saw the tour was more than the number of emg sales so far.
as for the ''sharpest tools in the box'' The online tour updates & stuff leave alot to be desired, (see who 2002 tour pages for clue)
i expected more online fun from sd.com
am i asking too much?
dano ...............................hi
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Dano, Mancub! I heard that "Standing.........." is really worth it - missed it when it was here....might still be 'round
So when are ye bringin your fein arse cross de pond?
I'm seeing PNC (Jersey) Aug 17, Jones Beach Aug 22, and then Roseland Sept. 12-13......
"the cool part of the Summer"
ygk
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: THIS WEEK in Steely Damned/Rockola History!
THURSDAY, JULY 31:
THE STEELY DAMNED at Winstons
9:00pm-1:00am
FRIDAY, AUGUST 1:
ROCKOLA at The Catamaran
9:30pm-1:15am
E-Tickets at http://www.rockola.com/catamarantix.html
SATURDAY, AUGUST 2:
ROCKOLA and THE STEELY DAMNED at The Catamaran
9:30pm-1:15am
E-Tickets at http://www.rockola.com/TSDtickets.htm
~LABOR DAY WEEKEND~
Sunday August 31: The Steely Damned at The Catamaran
User: Boston Rag | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: King of the World - So, were you in prison or did you just wake up out of a coma? Why were you listening to EMG for the first time last night?
Mark in Boston
User: EMG/TVN Review and Favorite Dan Albuums | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: My take on EMG/TVN are that there's five songs between both cd's: Abbie, Cousin DuPree, Green Book, Gina, and Everything Must Go. You could make one good album side out of the two cd's. I would love to have heard a Cousin,EMG encore over the School/FM one we had at Tahoe. Favorite albuums:
Scam
Katy
Aja
Can't Buy a Thrill
Pretzel
Everything
Countdown
Gaucho
TVN
User: Dano | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Hey Doosers whats occuring , all this Steely talk and ive been muellered at work for long time big time?? So its great to read all the reports from over these shores......Yeah Right
t , Great review mancub couldave been there meself??
YGK , Aus ready for the big showdowns , and Beemer with his arm snookered , jeez i have missed the craic.
Pat , Did you have insurance or is the Amex taking a hit??
Sneakers , Where you at Bigman , are we up for the Germany Qualifier??
Dunc , Hope er indoors is doing well , regards for the family mate.
BB, Leicester , well i think ive dropped a bollock there , as i am on holidays the next week or so , any more dates we will all be at , clue me in??
Snakie , Yeah that Sea Biscuit has been gettin great reviews over here , so will book the tix and front road seat for me on that dooser.
Talking of movies , have you guys over there seen "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown" All the old geezers will love that one , caught it last week real sound film??
The whole reports and the parties sound superb on the GB at the moment , are the boys definately no go to this side of the pond , shit when they do we will make you Yankees jealous??
Who has been the closest to the band at the minute , maybe take a poll on the nearest seats in the hoose??
Lady B , Aja , Sounds like the girls are gonna have a Dooser of a P A R T Y
Hope the boys keep getting you all exited.
Have a great weekend , Dan or no Dan
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: URL for PC Mag article
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1186135,00.asp
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Hey St Al: PC magazine caves! Apple Macs with OS 10.2 the most reliable!
They should make the [9]alpha THC pill into a spray - nasal veins drain into the brain - should feel better than the oral route
User: Randy | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message:
For the record, post #3796 ("Randy in Scottsdale") was not posted by me; I don't do "to the tune of..." lyric parodies.
"Though my problems are meaningless / that don't make them go away..."
- Neil Young, 'On The Beach'
Randy
NIGHTFLY**aol.com
User: DanAudioCrackWhore | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: larger than
User: DanAudioCrackWhore | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: YGK: Man, I wish! ohhhh, the acoustics - how does it compare to the Beacon?...looks like the Kidz and I are heading to tinny Dallas venue (Hey Drone, let's move this baby to Austin Performing Arts Center!) - spending last piasters on reasonably close to stage ticket...Tiny Tim will be SOOOO Disappointed if they don't play PIXELEEN! and Dad is Jonesing for EMG, GreenBook and Lunch with Gina...
C: remember juxtaposition, irony, flow...you can hear ALL the instruments at the same time...everything must go...
Speaking of which, any other Texans want to Recall Rick Perry?...maybe he should head to New Mexico with half the legislature...pork barrel spending in 2001, cuts in education, health...he's almost as bad as Gray-out Davis of Cali...who built no power plants despite a growing pop and created an energy crisis, sold out his campaign to polluters, pork barrel spending leading to a deficit large that ALL the other states in the nation combined! slashed education and health (hey that sounds familiar!)
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: CrackWhore: I was referring to BB, and why I skip it mostly.
Hey now, why don't you head up to the Big City, and check out the Roseland Shows?
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Lunch
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: JoS is not a throwaway, Cousin is, but JoS has pretty weak, been there already, lyrics for Dan. The horn chart and verse chrous sound like merged bits from Steely Dan I. Unoriginal. The bridge is the only great thing about the song...
Gothic, WoH, Negative Girl are the most original songs. Gaslighting is fantastic on Plush. Love the intros to WASAM, TvN...Janie is snappy with 2, count 'em 2 great sax solos
tick tock...time...get it?
YGK, see - a bridge does not a song make (i.e., JoS), but put a great bridge with great songs like WoH, TIMTM, Godwhacker, Pixeleen, Luch With Gina, and EMG...now ya HAVE something filling indeed!!!!
OK, here's how I rank the SD/solo albums...not that quantification is anything close to appropriate:
1. Katy Lied
2. Nightfly
3. Aja
4. Everything Must Go
5. Royal Scam
6. Gaucho
7. Two Against Nature
8. Kamakiriad
9. Countdown to Ecstacy
10. Can't Buy a Thrill
11. Pretzel Logic
12. 11 Tracks of Whack
User: Moll | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message: Randy, too funny darlin.......But don't quit your day job just yet ;-)
Beth, you big tart. You promised me I was the only one ...
User: blackcow | Month: 6 | Day: 31
Message:
On Walter's voice. Slang of Ages is talking not singing, except for the chorus. He's okay on 11 tracks. But I cannot imagine how he might have sung Aja. Nowhere near his range, not even with a key change.Some folks must have been along way from the stage.
User: decipher man | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Turns out will have to decrypt this music, possibly awaiting rosetta stone to make instinctive sense of it all. No real impressions that I can throw any weight of accuracy behind. "God knows the service could be better..." they should talk. Three years... sheesh.
EMG... finally it sounds jazzlike. Not that I'd know. Wait, after big jazz intro, simple beat again.
User: Deely Stan | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Just in to hand over some crypticisms:
" .................................."
t&gimg
User: that was godwhacker..... | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: randy newman attitude vis-a-vis Mr. God??
Slang... hear it's WB warbling. Damn, it IS!!!! I expected this to be like J of Speed for some reason. (DACW.... JofS not throwaway.... most depth of any song on TvN possibly barring AGothic... no other song gets across tragedy of addiction except possibly Needle and Damage Done, Kneel Jung.)
Hear G Book is remarkable. Will see in few seconds?? Is DF whispering just as much here as on TvN?
Will post this bit.... now.
User: the last mall, ma | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Going to have to grow on me. A few seconds after previous post.
Laying into malls is preaching to converted for me. Mainly just hear beat, simple. Deceptive, I'm assuming. 12 or so listenings on, it'll all click. Is it "King O'World" type apocalyptic... next song. That first 1 was short.
"Things I Miss The Most"... just went over und tweaked volume up. What's that 'bout the Andrea Doria? Trust? Hu r they foolin'?
3: Too precise, dominant beat once again.... shit, i cannot believe i'm right at this very moment listening to a SD alboom fer very first time.... how long to absorb THIS one? It's meaningless noise thus far... as ALL the great albums are at first....
# quatre: Eating cashews.... slinky redfoot? Hah?
I'll post this, just in case ol' 'pooter slows down.
User: king of the world, ma | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: The inevitably dissatisfying moment is coming any time now. I've got EMG holstered in the CD player, ready to go. It's been hovering there for hours. Ain't never heard it yet. Prediction of dissatisfaction owing to increasing neurological effects, interfering with absorption of any creative input of any kind, from anywhere. I can't put it off any longer, though. I have to realize that the first listening isn't the one that matters so much, necessarily. There really is no "first listening".... my impression or conception of an album is a composite of several different listenings, where i picked up different impressions each time, and added them to my image of what that album is.
I'm about to walk myself over to the CD player and press 'start'...
User: Beth_Ferals | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: To: Bywaysteve.........What have I done now? By all reason I have been misunderstood once again.....forgive me should I have caused you any offense.....I meant nothing vulgar or uncivilized. Damn my exposure. My parting shot is that I lack social discipline and I do not have the right moves.........offer me some favor eh? Yours in true. Beth
User: Sharon | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Hi, I have 2 tickets to the Steely Dan Concert at the PNC in NJ on Aug 17.
They are in section 305, and I am asking exactly what I paid for them.
My brother in law and his girlfriend broke up and cannot attend the concert, so I am trying to sell the tickets for him. PLease email me if you are interested......Thank you
User: GE | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: "Maybe this Roseland thing will parlay into another Le Bar Bat eve......"
YGK, I'm counting on it. I hope a lot of folks make it, should be a very Steely Dan-ish type vanue methinks. Perhaps a few extra tunes for the homeys.
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Girls sang Parker's. Keith went boom bam boom, crash bang braaapadabapt, but did not sing. Donald sang Aja. Ok?
Nevada is a chancey place for sparking. Better to light up before the show. Worked for me.
Cory the young bartender deserves a spanking for pouring 8 ounces of Smirnoff in my drink. Bad Cory ; )
At the end of the show, I ran into the guy who (along with his girlfriend) was standing near me during part of the soundcheck. I said, Hi, you're the guy from the soundcheck, he said, Yeah, hi, that was me. I said, You're wearing the same Hawaian shirt as my brother (who was standing right there) and he said, Yep, I sure am. I said You have four good-looking ladies with you tonite, and so does my brother. He said, Yep, we sure do. I said, Must be the shirt ; ) We all started cracking up. Had to be there, and I was.
Went out dancing after the show. Walked thru a totally packed and bogus HardRockCafe, whatta crock, kept walking. My brother took us to a very cool little club just down the street from Harveys and barely inside California. Fun jammin' alt-rock-jam-band called Cool Black Kettle had us all up and dancin' and having a great time. Widespread Panic played across the street from SD that night.
Going to a Jerry's Birthday Bash out in the countryside outside of Nevada City on Saturday night. Cosmic Wobble opens and the Deadbeats bring it full circle. Having a wonderful vacation. Tahoe is in the high 80's today, and the wildflowers in the higher elevations couldn't be more beautiful.
User: Solos | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Howard - I suggested that they play the solos note for note only on a few songs. I can understand the steely dan guitartist on tour wanting to have the freedom to do their own thing. But I'm not big on Herrington. His solos, though technically perfect, just seem to go no where. Personally, I think you get more passion and story from local blues guys. I don't think the Dan will reach their potential, really live up to the material, with a techno crat playing off the cuff. After all the guitar solos are the highlights of many of the songs. I wonder why Larry Carlton has never gone on tour with the Dan. I don't see why the current guitarist they use would be unhappy playing one or two solos off the record. Those solos are powerful pieces of music, that were worked on for days, that are in many cases the most dramatic part of the song.
I don't remember Keith Carlock singing anything. The girls did sing one song and it very well may have been Parkers. Enjoy the tour,
SRA
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Ok, my emotions have been toyed with on this whole Walter thing. Now, what about the rumor that Doanld set fire to his Rhodes after playing DTMA with his forehead? Nice.
User: april | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: i just went to kanocti @ clearlake what a beautiful venu i was never so happy to be able to sing along with steely dan in person insted of my cd's what a nite . you guys are what keeps me going on. I LOVE YOU ALL!!
User: Aja Opening | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Rajah - Walter did not sing Aja. Fagan sang it and like I say, it was a fantastic opening, especialy at the foot of the Sierra's. They were really flexing their song list muscle by opening with such a show piece song. It be like the stones opening with Midnight Rambler or Neil Young with Cinnamon Girl. They really started off with a bang.
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: This was mentioned on the Ticket Exchange a few weeks ago but I wanted to make sure everyone knew about the Clear Channel promotion currently running on EBay. Apparently Clear Channel is "auctioning" off a 4 month trial subscription to their "GetAcess" program and with it you get a pair of GA tickets to certain events. There are a number of these auctions running right now on EBay selling a variety of Steely Dan shows. For as little a $5 you can get 2 General Admission passes to a whole host of shows. I noticed they were auctioning for Jones Beach, Philly, Florida, etc. You should check it out if funds are tight. I scored a pair of Widespread Panic tickets a couple days ago using this method.
Just head over to EBay and do a search on Steely Dan.
StAl
User: king richard | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Man, i just got on to this board this week preppin' for the columbus show (my first ever) - i hope some of these posts are supposed to make absolutely no sense.
User: Ray of D Light | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Yah and I heard a Ripped Joan Blondell was Called Away in a Cab with her Torn skirt exposing that she didn't know Jack about the Westin where I was stayin tryin to train that dime dancer's big italic butt off and it only grew due to being as much muscle as lipid and as boring as ol' yella teeth's gigs, not to mention that Svenskinhead's Cincinnati jonesin.
User: Randy in Scottsdale | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: EVERYTHING HERE GOES
ItĘs high time for a walk on the real side
Why not make the bastards feed us
I move to resolve my obligation
In a pool with Jill and Freda
So letĘs kick off all the flip-flops
Tear off all the panties
Dirty up the patio
ęCause my parents are in Tucson
Everything here goes
Talk about a major stain and sputtering
Now her gravy boat is shattered
Show the world our keen Puff Daddy-O face
As ōQueen OĘ Soulö keeps getting fatter
It was sweet talk to the cops
Till our Hookah started blowing
Now itĘs ęLook out!ö down below
ęCause my parents are in Tucson
Everything here goes
Tell me can you find it Ms. Puglisee
In the black refrigerator
Frankly I could use some wine and cheese fries
You can bill me for it later
And if Molly in the kitchen
Wants to get in on the action
With her spatula in tow
Well my parents are in Tucson
Everything here goes
CanĘt you see the carbonation rising
Guess you wish you never shook it
Talk about your chance to taste the sponge cake
You got drunk and never took it
And if later on today
You clean the room that I got sick in
No oneĘs ever gonna know
ęCause my parents are in Tucson
Everything here goes
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: St. Al: Sorry to hear about your vacation disclocation, jeez, man. Tuff gig. I do trust you did accomplish some R&R, even with......
Maybe this Roseland thing will parlay into another Le Bar Bat eve......
wish you could make it!
ygk
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: $75 to see Steely Dan in a small venue like Roseland? Sounds like a bargain to me! Shit, the Eagles are charging $85 for lawn seats at White River Amphitheater which seats 18,000.
It's a brave new world.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. Turns out I'm gonna need surgery. sigh.
Mu -- I had some. Called Marinol I believe. Didn't like it at all. Like a Zombie... Poor kitty...
Starting to firm up plans for this weekend. Looking forward to it though I suspect it'll be hotter than hell out there.
StAl
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Jimbo: didn't see any......$75 is the entry fee.......
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: On the Roseland Ballroom dates, are there any ticket prices lower than $75 ? This has got to be the work of Clear Channel.
If there are any prices lower than $75, let me know.
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Yo, Bill: I will be at Jones - 4th row, I believe, with Lady Bayside, Aja and others......don't forget, Lady B is orchestrating a Humungoid Danfest in the lot pre-Show: yes, it's the Bayside Bacchanal! Don't miss it!
ygk
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message:
The August 30 concert at the Borgata in Atlantic City is sold out. I'd planned to go to the Hershey show, but after a prior commitment fell through for the Labor Day weekend, I checked TM yesterday afternoon and got (probably) seats #2399 and #2400 in the 2400-seat Event Center. An hour later none were left.
I can also report there's a large EMG poster in the window at the local Barnes & Noble, so promo materials do exist. Rare, but they're out there.
User: wormus interruptus | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: bought the Times sunday for a leisurely day at the house on the gulf coast
Steely Dan ad page 2 on the Roseland tour sale date (the sneaks and wingtips photo)
Jon Herrington - I think he does a wonderful job trading axe duties
and he has that 'this boy elroy' fresh mentality
and no grandstanding - humility and grace
if you want to hear note by note renditions of old stuff
play the records
YGK & Auss - I know you'll be Jonesing
when is the setlist going to stop pandering to the casual fan?
I still think once Barney's up to speed they should interchange EMG tunes night by night to keep it fresh
I won an ebay auction on EMG vinyl - can't wait to hear the music in it's full glory
wormbrain
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Decided not to attend the Roseland Ballroom show as it turns out to be
one of those "Standing Room Only" venues which I swore I'd never do again
after the John Hiatt concert at Irving Plaza a few months back.
I mean it's probably a great venue to see Steely Dan at but the idea of
standing for hours just isn't my cup of tea anymore. I hope everyone who
attends has a great time though and I'm sure the smaller venue will be
a special treat for all SD fans who do attend.
But hey after seeing Steely Dan from center orchestra section and one row
back at Jones Beach, how am I going to top that anyway?
Hope everyone has an outrageous time no matter what venue you see them at!
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Rajah/Dr.: and yet a bridge does not a song make - a bridge by itself goes nowhere
Aja: What time is it? nearly time for your Eastern Trek!
ygk
User: where's waldo? where's Donald? | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: 11) backstage with the 4th baremidriff gal on tour - Victoria Cave
10) the sneakers were bad, and the wingtips unpolished
9) busy checking out the dolphins
8) still having his way with the ferris wheel from the tractor pull two nights earlier
7) somebody switched out his mini keyboard with a kiddie see and say
6) busy pinching Susan Days supple Partridge Family bottom
5) Lester the nightfly can't always be on time
4) no cuervo, no fine columbo, just some Titus A Coitus
3) to dime or not to dime
2) delayed due to the Car Locked
1) busy lining up those nightly $250 coke cans for Clas and Q
gimt
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: SRA - I can appreciate that people have a yearning to hear those classic guitar solos reproduced live, but consider it from the performer's point of view. He/she's gonna get awfully bored playing the same solo, night after night. The rest of the band are probably going to tire of hearing it as well, even if it *is* (or was) a classic. Also, however good a player does, they are always likely to suffer in comparisons with the original. "Yeah it was OK, but not as good as the studio version". I mean, which guitarist is going to be happy taking on the solo in Bodhisatva or Kid C in these circumstances?
In the same way that D+W don't aim to reproduce the exact arrangements on stage (they prefer to rework things), the soloists usually prefer to change things around a little (or a lot).
Personally, I loved what Jon Herington did on the last tour - he borrowed themes and distilled out the "essence" of some of those classic solos, then expanded and added to them. I really liked the result.
Howard
P.S Can we confirm, once and for all, that Keith Carlock definitely *didn't* sing Parkers Band?
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: Calling All UK based, Dan deprived Musos ą Seeking Solace & Karma? No need to feel like a Third World Man ą
Come join the faithful in Tribute to Don & Walt
The Dan collective ū The UKĘs finest homage (with rip snorting axe solos aplenty)
Night by Night they will have you Reeling in The Years , bringing back The Boston Rag, till you come Home @ Last with Josie defying all Pretzel Logic ą
Friday August 8th The Jailhouse Coventry
www.thedancollective.co.uk for details
User: Why Walter? Where Donald? | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: saving vocal cords for solo record
misplaced that "stupid kazoo sounding instrument"
hey, just having a little face time, is all
can't go on w/o Bumpus
donned surgical mask, training for those highly hazardous "Toronto gatherings"
busy whacking god and remaining vewy vewy kwiet
rebuilding American Embassy in Kenya out of original balsa wood
had to duck into Nino's again
rowdy lighting rig roadie spilled beer down shirt
passed out early from the heat
pas du tout, c'est l'ArrivTe du Tour!
timg
User: Ray Charles | Month: 6 | Day: 30
Message: I heard Tuesday Welded Aja's yellow teeth to Arthur Hill's kid Keith in Cincinnati.
User: LA Law | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Susan Dey on keyboards?
Yeah, that's hilarious.
/C
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: I have to get back to Stockholm Jazz Festival - I know, I know, it's not Steely Dan, but anyway;
The Roy Hargrove concert was played in such low volume that I had to go to the stage to hear the drums and the rhodes.
Still those young jazz-diggers, in black clothes, was wearing earplugs!
Holy Mother Magdalena, I wonder what they would have done if they had been at the Jimi Hendrix concert back in the 60's?
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E - the work I put in? It doesn't matter if I'd work on this project around the clock, thing is; YOU have to send in your stuff, to me, so please...
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Stevie Wonder - seven hills? I thought that was Rome.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Cindy, come clean baby, we all love you no matter what.
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: "...Susan Dey..." - hilarious...
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: 12) Uh... which one's Walter?
User: top ten reasons | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: top ten reasons Walt didn't sing Aja the other night
11) the tabs looked iffy but were good
10) you went to LA on a dare before the show
9) he did the divorce Haitian style why would he do the dime dance too?
8) I swear I also saw Susan Dey take over the ivories
7) let's see opening song sung by your vocally challenged guitarist, nobody's that gutsy
6) Wally lost a chess match bet to Bumpus
5) the Cuervo and Columbian set in 1/2 hour before the show
4) somebody hit all the low end faders to full on the mixing board
3) throw out the hardware, oh - it's the dude on the rhoades singing
2) slang me once, slang me twice, three times and my head's in vice
1) DONALD FAGEN
gimt
User: fife | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Just thought I'd pass it on, There is going to be a Dan gathering after the show in Toronto. Its shaping up to be amighty fine summer.
User: Stevie Wonder | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Clas: c'mon Daddy. Get in, let's go. I'll show you the sights and we'll feel our way around the seven hills of Cincinnati...
User: E | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Right, so now we can establish that Walt never sang Aja?
It's late at night, I had a few drinks, so I'm gonna give a few props.
Clas, with the work you're putting in, that Knives CD is going to be one hell of an album.
Rajah: I can clearly see that if all of us would never hook up again you'd still be carrying the torch for the Dan. That's the spirit!
Cindy:What have you been smoking. Can't be nearly as good as the stufff we got here in Amsterdam, with which I heard Walter croon 'That's Life'.
Almost Negative Gothic Girl: Thanks for giving us a chance to taste some of the atmosphere from a US Dan concert... Damn... Don't know if I'm really thankful now... Wish I was there...
Dr. Warren: seems like you've comne around... You can't shake the Dan, not even in their newest guise... so I'm glad to see you're not as singularly nostalgic as you seemed to be!
YGK - or whoever that is - shame on you! Props cuz you're on here, but skipping Blues Beach! Man! The future of understated funk in its glorious nudity given shape! Your one and only chance to hear Steely Dan give an ode to the blues! Hear Don ad-libbing! Hear Walt thumping on the one-two! You are MISSING OUT!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: SRA - thanks for the post on Tahoe, now, help us all out here if you could and PLEASE tell us more detail about AJA. Was it Walter Becker singing the song? All the way through or just a verse? Did Donald come in vocally on "AJA, when all my dime dancing is through" or "double helix in the sky tonight" or "Chinese music under Banyan trees"? How did Walty sing it, not that he can sing any two songs differently, did he pull it off? The people waaay down front, ya know, Dan-geeks, how did they react to it? Don't leave me hangin bro. I'm dyin here.
User: Randy | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message:
P.S. To my last post:
I still say the quintessential classic song for the Becker vocal treatment is "Everything You Did," and there is certainly NOT enough new material from either of the last two Steely Dan releases ('Two Against Nature' material is noticeably absent, save for "Janie Runaway") in the recent set lists-
Randy
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
User: SRA | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: On the Thahoe Show: Just an incredible Aja opening. Carlock was worth the price of admission on his own. He's the finest drummer they've ever had live for sure. His Aja is better than Gadd's. I'm going to the Concord and lay down 120$ just to see him work again. The middle of Aja falls out for me. The horns are week and Fagan played that stupid kazoo sounding instrument. Great starting to the show if you set aside godwhacker. Aja, Caves, and Time Out of Mind are gold. Fagans singing was great - better than ever but I don't like the guitartist they kept over from last tour. Where is Larry Carlton for God sakes? I don't understand why they don't play some of the studio solos live. They are just increbile. Can you image hearing Larry Carlton play the studio solo live on "Don't Take Me Alive"? The set list is getting better over the years - I know I've never heard Caves live before - but it still has holes and plays it too safe. I'd replace GodWhacker, Blues Beach, Slang of Ages, Peg, Hey19, Things I miss the Most, My Old School, and FM with Everything Must Go, Green Room, Gina, Cousin DuPree, Boston Rag, Kings, Your Gold Teeth II, and Chain Lightening. I can't understand why they didn't play at Everyting or Gina at Tahoe. Though the show was too short it was very powerful. Great tour.
User: Cindy | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: By the way, the security staff at Harveys sucks. We were minding our own business, paid top dollar for our tix, and everytime we tried to lite up, they made us put it out...get real Harveys. One more thing, When we saw SD in Sacramento in 2000 Walt got a very cool (uncool) response when he did one song from his "Eight Tracks of Whack"so it was so nice to see him sing such a beautiful song such as Aja and have it appreciated. I don't blame them for not wanting to come back to that amphitheatre in Marysville-the sound is terrible.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Cindi I want to believe you, I really do, but we need a little more corroboration on Walt crooning AJA. Just how high were you? We need help from the Tahoe people. This is getting worse than that, "Paul is dead" thing we all suffered through a century ago.
User: Randy | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message:
Ever the dissenter, some of us are quite pleased to hear Becker taking more of the vocal duties, i.e. "Aja," "Haitian Divorce," etc. as he is quite capable of handling whatever is in Fagen's range; still wish his vocal debut was on "Jack of Speed," but regardless he conveys much of the Steely Dan attitude with his delivery (as does Fagen, of course). One example would be that "Fall of '92" would simply not have been the same with Fagen's delivery, as was also the case with "Jack of Speed."
"Godwhacker," "Green Book," and "Lunch With Gina" have thus far joined the ranks of all-time classic Steely Dan tunes at my house. (For those who may wonder which tracks from 'Two Against Nature' [2000] fit the same bill at the same location, to wit: "Gaslighting Abbie," "Cousin Dupree," "Two Against Nature," "Jack of Speed," and "West of Hollywood.")
At the risk of inferring some semblance of nostalgia (which would be wholly unintended) - if only Denny Dias had made a return appearance in the studio...
I must also say in closing that in reference to Steely Dan's "Godwhacker"
- he had it coming.
Randy
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
User: Cindy | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: I'm tellin' ya Walt sang AJA. I was high, but not hallucinating...my husband, friends and I could not believe it, but it was true and Walter got a very cool response. Love ya, Cindy
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Greetings from beautiful Lake Tahoe! I can see the lake from where I am typing this right now. Gotta love a public library like that. Also gotta type fast, as there are folks waiting and a time limit. Please excuse any typos etc.
First and foremost, I know it has been mentioned but bears repeating: Walter DID NOT sing Aja. Show was great, but I would have loved to hear a few different songs, as it was a repeat of the Paso Robles show. Another song or two off EMG would have been nice.
As I left the coast and headed towards the high sierra it was obvious that there were storms a' brewin and weather might be a factor for this gig. The closer I got, the darker and more foreboding the skies got. I came in from the southwest, and when I crested at 8000 feet on Hwy 88 and dropped down to Silver Lake, the first big drops started to fall. In 5 minutes, it was raining in earnest. In 10 minutes, thunder and lightning broke out in a big way. Within 15 minutes, it was limited visibility and hydraplaning. Fun ; ) Totally cool storm, reminding me that it was one of the things I miss the most about not living at Tahoe anymore. I was really diggin' it, but at the same time hoping it would shoot it's proverbial wad and be on it's way out of town well before showtime. Well, it did, and it was.
While checking in at my groovy little mountain resort/motel, the storm was extremely intense and directly overhead. Once settled in, I called Harvey's to see what was up. Band was just beginning the soundcheck. So I headed on over, and with a little poking around, ended up with the best spot to enjoy the soundcheck. Just perfect sound and sightlines. Got lucky again. The band played Home at Last, then were gettin' antsy waiting for the boys to show. They finally did, and Walter noodled a bit on the old blue and white, and then we got Time Out of Mind, Blues Beach, Godwhacker, and Haitian Divorce. By this time the weather was clearing up and turning to warm and gorgeous, and it stayed that way the entire wonderful night. Nothing like the smell of Tahoe after a summer thundershower. I am happily staying up here a few more nights and having a blast.
Oh man, my posting time is coming to an end here. Must go. Everyone have a fantastic time in Portland and the Gorge. Light, love, music, magic ~
linda
User: Aja | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Rajah-glad to hear it. I enjoy a blues voice in a blues song, however, SOA, nor much else in Steely Dan, qualifies. I'll give him a fair shot at Haitian Divorce; it's not one of my faves, which is why I don't care who sings it!
YGK-you and me both! Time Out of Mind, however, that's a song I've always wanted to groove to live.
Aja
User: sartz | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Hi out there. I heard the Lake Tahoe show and it was unbeleivable. Keith Carlock is the best drummer they've ever had live or in the studio. I agree with Rajah of Erase on WB's Haittian Divorce singing. He fits the song well. The Aja opener at the foot of the Sierra Nevada's was sublime.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Dr. K - Go to andymetzger.com and hit 'Sounds' - it's all there. Donald was great with Marian McP. - really just a gentleman with the old gal, very straightforward and earnest. He plays Limbo Jazz, Hesitation Blues, Things Ain't What They Used to Be in addition to versions of Josie, Chain Lightning, Black Friday and get this band-- Keith Carlock, Jay Leonhart (Carolyn & Michael's dad on bass) and WB. Marian plays on one of the tunes. I'd love to hear Donald do an album of classic old jazz standards.
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Dr. DACWMU- Did the boys really appear on MMc's Piano Jazz?
Is a tape available?
I hope they didn't make fools of themselves like Paul Shaffer did.
Rajah's right- that's a beautiful bridge.
Inquiringly Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: How can you skip the "paranyphic glider" bridge? I don't understand, me close to despair. Oh what a world.
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: I'm skipping Blues Beach nearly every time.....nothing else tho
ygk
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: AJA- Turns out WB did NOT sing AJA, somebody musta been hallucinating. You know what, though, Walt has gotten to the point where he can sell a song. I'm telling you, his Haitian Divorce had bite and command in that tiny range of his. It's a blues voice. SOA is groovetime, give it a chance and stop skipping over it in the car.
User: Aja | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Walter Becker sang Aja????????? God, say it ain't so. I can barely stand-no, make that CAN'T STAND his singing on SOA, let alone a sublime song like Aja. The man doesn't have the range-please Donald, TAKE OVER!
Allez Lance! Next year I'm going to be shouting that on the Champs Elysees........
Aja
User: Steely Knives Compilation Helps Capture Saddam's Bodyguard | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Yesterday Schwinn, Clas and Steevedan, among other GBers, helped capture one of Saddam's lifelong bodyguards, Adnan Abdullah Abid al-Musslit.
According to AP, Lt. Col. Steve Russell led the contingent that captured "[t]he stocky bodyguard [who] struggled to break free as soldiers arrested him [forcing the soldiers] to wrestle him to the ground and drag him down the stairs"
Russell said "Were we surprised? He's a bodyguard. That's why we went in with our steely knives and oily guns. If everything else had failed and we just got that one guy, we would be happy."
Clas, maybe the next GB compilation should be called "Oily Guns"
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: I forgot -- The Human League
User: Moll | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: BB, stop sulking... the last man that pissed me off had sardines sewn into the hem of his drapes and all his utilities turned off by someone posing as him. ;-) I do miss flirting with you.
Clas, how do you keep from being bitter? lmao *mmmmmmmwwwwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh*
Drew, meet me at Dance of the Demon? I'm thinking 50 top... let me know about the Rickenbacker by Saturday if possible.
Counting the days until the Chicago concert.
User: C @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Oh my man, Saint Al! Vacations are a dangerous thing. Though I know the world is not revolving around me, but I have to tell you; I crashed with my bike during mine (vacation).
I am pretty lucky not driving a car.
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Well, where did they go? Minah, Stevie Dan, I asked if you are willing to submit a couple of song to the 4th Guestbook CD?:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/drFill
Or click the URL above.
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I made it to the Stockholm Jazz Festival last nite, Roy Hargrove, pretty cool. Two drummers, keyboard man with Clavinet, Arp and a Rhodes and a Hammond. Saxes and Roy on trumpet.
Took some pics, I'll put them up later.
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Molly, my sweat buttercup, did I ever tell you about my uncle? He started up a project, it was something about self-adhesive-tape stuff, he named the company 2M. He never made it.
User: PretzelBoy | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Gorge show on Saturday. '94 drilled with sleet. '96 stumbled through the Gorge Store in search of Millanos ... Alyssa or otherwise. What will 2003 bring? Will be in the camp parking lot Friday early evening. Listen for C. Freak.
User: Invisible Man | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: And yet they did rent out the Coliseum while they were rehearsing in LA, Almighty. I must've misheard.
User: ALMIGHTY ASS | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: OH REALLY???? THE BAND IS IN PORTLAND TODAY.
User: Invisible Man | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: A man of my particular nature gets himself into all sorts of interesting situations. Yeah, sure, people can see right through me, but I can also see into their heads, and hear their minds. Regardless, I am privy to certain things that many might not experience.
So, I happened to hear extensively about the Tour Photo/Video Montage, which, I heard, "blows away the stuff from last tour". Dan Fans who see the tour are not only going to hear a fabulous band, but see some amazing images. Like last tour, Kudos to Kevin.
Band is Rehearsing in LA today.
I.M.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Lance OWNS France!
StAl man, get well man...
W1P - still sucking in the seventies? That list almost reads like a Who-Was-Wrong-When-Punk-Came-Around list :) Is it the Outdated Freak Hairdo Circus? Come on, turn on that radio and listen to some new stuff. The shows will probably be cheaper, too.
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: some googleism's whilst we wait for the next date,
keith carlock is currently working on
keith carlock is quite a treat to hear and see
keith carlock is
keith carlock is so deep in the pocket that he's in danger of being mistaken for spare change
keith carlock is destined to be one of the greats
&
pat's shoulder is trouble again
pat's shoulder is doing so he
pat's shoulder is such a worry
pat's shoulder is in sound shape coming into the grass court season
User: BBeers | Month: 6 | Day: 29
Message: Nothing sorry about my arse !!!!!! I'm just sulking & skulking cos the boys won't come on over .
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: No time to play catch-up. I see the tour is in full swing and things are looking good. Gorge in a few short days...
SO I just got off what was both the most relaxing vacation and most horrific vacation I've taken in years. It was 100 degrees almost everyday so we spent a whole lot of time swimming and boating. However, on Tuesday I had the unfortunate experience of dislocating my shoulder while tubing on the lake. Let me tell you how painful it is draggin' your ass (which, in my case is rather large) into a boat while your shoulder is out of its socket. To make matters worse we were 30 minutes away from the nearest hospital. After about 3 hours, an aid car ride, a whole LOT of drugs and some yanking on the arm by the doctor, my arm was back in and I was on my way to the campsite.
BUT WAIT. It ain't OVER. So here were are, it's now Friday. I'm thinking of cutting the vacation short by a day simply because I can't do much else other than sit around in a percodan stupor. No fishing, swimming, etc. Anyway, we're loading the boat onto the trailer when WHAMMO! The shoulder goes out again!!! This time we're way the fuck up in the woods. In fact, closest hospital was almost 2 hours by aid car since they ca only go about 20 miles an hour while I'm bouncing around with a dislocated shoulder in the back of the ambulance without the benefit of Morphine.
This time it required a freakin' helicopter! Jesus I can't wait to get that bill...
I hope the next (mini) vacation with the old man in a few weeks goes better. Damn...
So speaking of the incredible Lance Armstrong, Cynthia Calhoun just updated her website. Please go and visit. http://www.cynthiacalhoun.com
As you will see, Cynthia supports the Lance Armstrong Foundation and is asking people to help in any way they can with donations which support a very good cause.
Man it's hard to type with your arm in a sling.
StAl
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: How about a review of the Tahoe show?
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Molly?
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: GE: blasted you bak!
User: Disgruntled in PDX | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: The change of venue from Portland Memorial Collesium to the Keller Auditorium is great for sound but horrible for proximity to the stage! I not only want to hear my favorite band, but I want to SEE them as well. I've barely taken my eyes off the mesmemorizing DF for the last 3 shows through Portland/Gorge area.
This is ridiculous... I went from 5th row center to 26th row off center. I want to know who bought the front tickets, and why were they allowed to do so??? I'm curious what would have happened if I hadn't checked steelydan.com and seen the posting! Would ticketmiser have called? I doubt it. There are going to be some upset people at the Collesium on Friday night, I'm thankful that I'm not one of them, but I'm still really upset.
TicketMaster is reimbursing my credit card for the first tickets to Mem. Coll., and the Keller tickets were cheaper, but this isn't about money, this was about 5th Freaking Row! This was my wedding present, I just got married on July 19th!
Can we all get invited backstage or something to make up for this? (-;
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Bob Hope, RIP, 100.................
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Hey, GE: 'twill be good to meet.........not sure if we met before......Lady B might miss Friday, I think.........not sure about Aus......
we should figure out how to meet - my email is above
ygk
User: GE | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: I too have scored a couple of tickets to the 9/12 Roseland show and will look forward to any Danfests that day/night. Hope to meet YGK, Aus, Lady Bayside, Wild Bill and any others that may be attending the show. Hey LP, any chance of a weekend in the City? This will be my only chance to see the boys this time around and just happened to coincide with a planned trip to NYC. I'm signed up on the Danfest and looking forward to it. GE
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: I have just scored some tix for the 9/12-13 Shows at Roseland......looks like myself and Lady Bayside and crew will be in full effect 9/13......
I will be in the house Friday as well......
May have an extra for Friday.......
write if you dare.........
ygk
User: ~ | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: lance is riding round most every night
pedaling backwards he's still out of sight
he's gone, made them weaking in the knees
he's gone, left them in the pyrenees
yes he's moving on the pedals
and he's cranking out at breaneck speed
tour de france is a euro cyclers dream
but last five years have been pretty lean
who'd know, up from cancer determined fellow
and his jersey's always yellow
he's moving up the alps and extending the lead
at breakneck speed
He can't hear you honey - that's alright
he's 10 minutes ahead and out of sight
Don't stop - you'll be callin' out his name
But don't stop, you know he's in the lead
He's the one to harass
and first into Paris
Jack of Speed
gimt
User: DACW - uptown baby uptown baby | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Dr. Kruger: I am prescribing for you 3 doses of Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz with Steely Dan per day until your symptoms disappear...
Charles Brown blues, not the Delta...
User: We got the Red Chevy Blazer, it's nice inside... | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: "Steely Dan & GM Credit
Adds legendary music manager Irving Azoff, who has about 20 corporate deals for the summer, including Eagles and Infinity, Steely Dan and GM Credit and Christina Aguilera with Skechers, Target and Mattel: "Times are not only tough, they're getting harder. We are selling less catalog and fewer new records. With the economy as bad as it is, costs haven't gone down. We need to make up for some of these losses. These types of deals are natural."
http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=38348
User: Armstronger | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: In the beginning
We could hang with the dude
But it's been five years and counting
And he'll never lose
Noone knows our names
We're afraid of losing face
Tell me why we bother
Lance Armstrong won the race
Bring every new crotch rocket
Clock every stage half-speed
Still it feels like pedalling backwards
To the start of this endless winning spree
Climbed up the Pyrenees
Crossed bridges at Lyon
Break out the bubbly on the Champs Elysees
Cause there's no escape
From the results of the chase
Better tell Virenque
Lance Armstrong won the race
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: WALT & DON,
PLEASE-PLEASE play more EMG tunes at portland this coming friday, the new venue the kellar "the Kellar will be stellar" A PERFECT place to bust it out
we will not mind if it would be your first night to play
Pixaleen-Lunch with Gina-EMG-Greenbook
see you in a few days
there is good surf near portland
email if info needed
big air mike
User: timg | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Steely Dan to close tour with two shows in Hawaii:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/07/27/news/story5.html
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message:
Great to read the tour feedback. Interesting setlists - Aja, Caves, Haitian Divorce - great choices. Parkers Band sounds interesting. Agree that a few more from recent albums would be good (Jack of Speed, Gaslighting Abbie, Gina, Green Book). No doubt the setlists will evolve as time goes by.
Also interested to read the comments on the crowds being rather chatty during the songs, and moving in and out of their seats. I've never been to a gig in the US, but previous gig reports and live snippets etc confirm this seems to be more "the norm". Must be off-putting for a band, and could be very frustrating for audience goers (depending on how bad the talking is).
No such danger if D+W toured in the UK! I think it was Denny Dias that's quoted somewhere as saying how much they liked playing in the UK (this was based on their 70s tours, but I wonder if it still applies?). He said UK audiences were respectfully quiet during the songs, but made plenty of noise at the end of each song. Maybe they'll keep this in mind as they ponder the possibility of adding a European leg to the tour...?
Howard
User: Blaise | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Hey, thanks.
Guess if I don't show up after this, I lose all my hard-earned international support, eh? So here I am, still younger than most of you.
I've not much time to be involved these days myself, but
I'm very much enjoying the tour reports so far, even the nasty ones. While there weren't any nasty ones yet per se, it's a matter of time...
And I almost read everything so please, share the experience and keep it coming.
Oh and... someone record a show, maybe? That'd be great.
Thanks
later
User: gimt | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: top ten reasons to break out the hats and hooters
12) our northern borders are safe, and musically engaging
11) there's a forum in montreal, and a nice read ala yellow there as well
10) in the morning when you go gunning, you'll catch him on the St Lawrence Seaway
9) not sure but Audi TT and the Blazer that's warm inside are probably under the same insurance policy, know he likes Cars
8) who finds more things steely on the more things danned web?
7) fever dream frenzy Giles style
6) quick with a retort, cavort or abort
5) who makes the chat room interesting, rescues a dreary sunday
4) Everything Must Giles
3) always quick on a dandy reputtal
2) Totally Immersed Mind Gestures
1) Corpsy V and Major Wormtom salute you!
Happy Birthday Blaising Giles!
gimt
User: C & W | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Blaze - happy birthday to you!
I'll send you one of my T-shirts.
(if you're lucky you'll get the one I bought on Jackson Browne's "Looking East" tour!)
User: Clas @ Tamla Motor Town | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: There's a series of TV-programs here in Sweden about how popular music has developed over the years, "Walk on Bye", I guess it's a British production.
Interesting stuff, for example, when the Beatles invaded the USA, the Brill Building composers got pretty nervous. Here came a pop-group who wrote their own songs! ūWe're out of business!
And Roger McGuinn, the Byrds, shows how he changed Bob Dylan's "Tambourine Man" from a 2/4 kind of hillbillie, to a more cool, laidback 4/4 folk-pop-song (and how young and innocent he looked, Crosby!)
The 60's was a fantastic decade, the Beatles, Stones, the Tamla Motown-acts, Lovin' Spoonfull, Beach Boys, Spencer Davies Group, the Kinks, Bacharach and Hal Davies...
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So, from one thing to another, please click the URL above or cut and paste this, it's dr Fill's daily words of wisdom, don't miss them:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/drFill
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and sign in.
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Rajah- Don't listen to that New Age, Voodoo Queen, hands layer onner- musically, he's a barnacle, lyrically- the jury's still out.
Compare 11TOW and Nitefly-forget about Kamakiriad, the man was in a clinical depression- I should know, I prescribed him so much deludin the east coast was dry for months.
"Slang" is ok though-kinda grows on you. IMHO it's their only chance to connect with the inner-city youth of today.When z was in a non-incarcerated state, he tried TVN and their reaction was, huh? Except for the gospel hep cats- they grooved with Lawson and Barney.Now they're down to just 2 brothers.
But I'm going to get z to try "Slang" with the kiddies, should be interesting, WB's right on their level. If you didn't understand any of this, consider yourself lucky.
DACW or Dr.Mu or whatever- it all gets pretty subjective- no use arguing about which is better, they both have their strong points.
But I still agree with Original Lester- there's nothing wrong with the blues- we wouldn't have anything without that form, but from SD we need more sophistication- that's what we go to them for.
Pretzel Logic (I remembered it) was alright for the 70s, but we want more.
I still don't know what you mean by "Ellingtonian" though.
Is Johnny Hodges wailing out a melody(they don't even use solo alto sax on the CD)?
Is Cat Anderson ripping out double High Cs?
Is Jimmy Blanton popping out bass solos?
Is Jimmy Hamilton or Tricky Sam Nanton blaring out swing licks?
I think you're the one who's been self-prescribing absinthe- I lost my prescription license over a month ago.
Accusingly Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: My esteemed Oleander - Do you have it in your heart to grant me forgiveness...I admit...I always thought Walt was a barnacle on the USS Donald's hull. No, not quite that misguided really, but, close. Walter Becker is a genius with the turn of a phrase and there is no SD w/out him. Koo-koo-ka-choob, fer sure.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: My esteemed Oleander - Do you have it in your heart to grant me forgiveness...I admit...I always thought Walt was a barnacle on the USS Donald's hull. No, not quite that misguided really, but, close. Walter Becker is a genius with the turn of a phrase and there is no SD w/out him. Koo-koo-ka-choob, fer sure.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: My esteemed Oleander - Do you have it in your heart to grant me forgiveness...I admit...I always thought Walt was a barnacle on the USS Donald's hull. No, not quite that misguided really, but, close. Walter Becker is a genius with the turn of a phrase and there is no SD w/out him. Koo-koo-ka-choob, fer sure.
User: oleander | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Blaise--Bonne anniversaire!! (thx for the tip, Gina)
tonezzz--You were just... great....
Razor--Please make sure you're not trying to drive while listening to them outside your vehicle.
Raj--exCUSE ME, but Monsieur Becker was a major dude from day ONE in my book. They kind of make up one amalgamated meta-dude.
bluz--[sound of hothouse flower howling at the moon]
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks Tones, nice detailed review, I like hearing the minutiae of it all.
Z - Don't cop out yet and, hey, I kinda like fryin up their old cousine.
DACW - I'm with you: EMG dwarfs 2vN.
OK strangers, listen here, an L.A. tribute band called Doctor Wu overcame overwhelming oddities last night at The Knitting Factory to accomplish two very important tasks: play the repetoire and have fun. I've seen every gig these folks have played over two years and now is the time I think to let you all know why I've been excoriated of late on these cyberwaves for having the cheek to criticize DF's opening night vocal performance at Costa Mesa: it's cause Dr. Wu's front man belts waaay better than DF, no contest. The guy is from Liverpool, you can hardly understand what the f**k he's saying half the time which is puurrrfect for SD tunes, he also has, and I'm toeing the line on heresy here, Sinatra-esque breath control. He's gotta be part Neopolitan because he's got a bell'canto goin' on, smooth baritone really, with the blessing of uniform but NOT boringly good tone. He sings Babylon Sisters like it's Moonlight in Vermont, what can I tell you. His name's Tony Egan, thank you scouser. This band is best when it rocks uncousiously which is whad day done did last night. Boyd Gaines is their first chair horn man and he's NEVER failed to astound and just makes you feel like it's good to be alive, heck he just makes you FEEL. Seriously, that's a saxiphone player. A refreshingly smooth SD interpreter, Gil Ayan, from freakin' Uruguay for goodnessakes, on guitar, I wanna hear this guy play Jobim; Maestro Harrison on the ivories who makes King of the World relaxing instead of terrifying; Steve & Paul, thanks for looking at each other- I think the chanting before curtain is working now, seriously, well done; Ms. Anna, can we please have a solo next time, gotta love a woman with a horn, people.
Doctor Wu. was in the office after midnight and four days after Costa Mesa, he cured what ailed me. C'mon up, Orange County, it's worth the drive.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Tones: Glad you managed to make it there and back and I hope you don't suffer too much for it.
While I was soaking in the pool, pre-concert, it was full of people from all over, both Northern California and Southern, who were going to the Dan that evening. That was a thrill in itself. Talk about doing stuff with those of my kind.... Too bad we couldn't hear that soundcheck. Man, I would have loved to have had that experience. Who knew....
User: more details bubbling to the surface... | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: D (on melodica) & W trading 8's, 4's, 2's and 1's during the outro on Godwhacker...
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: ang - I wouldn't have made much of a bump partner. I managed to stay medicated enough to make it there and back (had a beautiful drive through the wine country - fell in love with CA all over again...), but I'm paying for it today... Even so, I'd jump back, jack, and do it again if I had the chance.
Really feel bad about that cricket though...
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Tones: What a review! You did so much better then I did, I felt it all over again. How did the B*A*C*K* hold out on the dancing stuff? Missed doing the bump with ya! ;-)
I am still Carlocked....yowser!
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Aus - no problem bud...
Just to jump in on the "blues" thread... I think it was when Walt and Don received their honorary doctorates, Walter said, "Remember: when in doubt, play the blues." He and Don were probably composing the songs that became EMG right about then. so I'm thinking the "doubt" could be about the state of the union, society, technology, or what to do after winning all those Grammys...
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Happy b-day Blaiser...
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Tones: Great review. Thanks bud.
Aus
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Btw steviedan, we're going to need a DNA sample...
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Catching up on the last few days of posts...
steviedan - there's more direct evidence that Walt might peruse this board occasionally: last night when introducing Carlock he said, "...he's so good we're thinking of chaging the line in "Kid Charlemange" from "is there gas in the car?" to "Is the carlocked?"
Coincidence or synchronicity?
Great minds thinking alike?
Or are you, steviedan, actually WB? Have you ever been seen together? Have you ever owned a '54 Strat?
curiouser and curiouser...
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: z: Is that absynthe in your cup or lead in your pewter?
Let's compare TvN and EMG. TvN sounds great on DVD-A. There's lost of instrumentation, 50s cool jazz, and interplay. The lyrics are as usual clever, but 11 ToW and Kama's are better. There are a lot of great tunes, but one one outstanding tune: West of Hollywood, and that was written in the 80s. Besides WoH, Negative Girl and Almost Gothic are classic recordings. What a Shame About Me, Janie Runaway, and Jack of Speed are good songs made great by the production, the sax solos by Potter in Janie Runaway and the bridge Fagen tacked onto Jack. The title track is an average song made great by Carlock and the Latin production. Gaslighting Abbie is a very good song knocked down a notch by the production and snare, but sounds better of Plush or DVD-A. Cousin is a throwaway.
In contrast to the more minimalist melodies on TvN, with the exception being West of Hollywood, the melodies on EMG yearn, stretch and dart in unexpected directions, especially in the bridges. Blues Beach and Last Mall are great live-sounding recordings of blues/pop mode...10 times better than Cousin Dupree...TALKIN' "BOUT THE BLUES!!!
Slang of Ages ranks with the best of 11 ToW (Girlfriend, Lucky Henry, Book of Liars) with fully fried Dan production
Things I Miss the Most, Godwhacker, Greenbook, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, and the title track are BETTER and more LYRICAL TUNES than any on TvN except WoH which is of equal imprinting value, and all written in the 21st Century! Plus EMG just blows the lyrics of TvN out of the water...
There's a bit less instrumentation that TvN, but that is more than made up by the live sound...both albums are great, but no way TvN is superior to EMG, which ranks favorably with the best of the Dan IMO...
User: z | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: I know that was my arch-enema- I mean enemy, RB, trying to make a farce of the DF "Godwhacker" melodica/synth solo quote contest, so I'll just ignore that last remark and try to give another clue.
I checked the jazz CD that DF wrote the liner notes for (it was the Phil Woods Little Big Band CD entitled "Evolution" on Concord Records) and he mentions the sequel to the original record (which Phil Woods played on), not the original record.
As usual, RB got it wrong, it is not the melody of a jazz tune he quotes, but rather one of the solos on that tune.
I think DF mentions that that jazz LP was one of his favorites in the Downbeat interview, but I read it on EBSCO Host so I can't check it now.
The knowledgeable Original Lester (Young or Bangs?) was right about the first half of EMG. We get 2 blues (with bridges) on the first half ("Last Mall" and "Godwhacker").
We've had enough of that on that "I have never met Napoleon" song and Boddhisattva, and that RC song from "Nitefly" and probably others.
This just confirms the fact that EMG is partly made up of leftovers from TVN (which they even admitted in one of the recent interviews).
HOwever, I like the Pynchonian ending to "Last Mall"- they do the typical blues turnaround cadence and then instead of the final chord, we just get silence, like in "Gravity's Rainbow when the MC tries to get everyone to sing along, but we just get "Now everybody-" and then silence...
Thanks for the concert reviews everyone- they're doing too much of their old stuff, so I think I'll boycott this one too.
User: tones again... | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Forgot to mention... Walter Becker was "in the zone", "on fiya", "unconscious" the whole night last night. I've never heard him play better, live or recorded...
User: batl apl | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: I'm still trying to place the "Godwhacker" D.F. melodica solo quote of a famous jazz song. All I could come up with isthe lyric quote, "...be very, very quiet...", which is from Elmer Fudd's "Kill the Wabbit". Do I win anything?
User: tones | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Konocti 7/26/03:
Same set list as Paso Robles:
1st set -
Jazz tune(Cubano Chant?) - just the band (swingin' way to start the show)
Aja - absolutely epic. DF's mike was breaking up a bit, but by the end of it the only question was, "Gadd who?"
Time Out Of Mind - a little choppy at first, but by the time the first chorus came around it was smokin' I was kinda in shock that they were playing it
Godwhacker - sounded great live. I was making my way up to the top of the bleachers during this because I was going to have to dance during this show, and actually the sound was better at the top of the bleachers. The place was pretty initmate, only holding 5800 I'm told, and the sound at the lower part of the bleachers was a bit over amped imho. At the top it was perfectly mixed with room to get down
Caves of Altamira - just pure Dan heaven from beginning to end...
Blues Beach - the real reason I moved to the top of the bleachers. I had to bust out the frug while digging the sunset and the jet skis on the lake behind the stage.
Do It Again - didn't expect to like this one as much as I did. Great rendition
Slang of Ages - this was awesome. This tune has a way of sneaking up on you, with the verses sung over what seems like a casual vamp, then the chorus comes and just sweeps you away. Then they vamped on the verse part during the band intros and gave evrybody a chance to blow
Peg - being the jaded asshole I am, I was not particularly into hearing this one again, until I noticed someone down in the seats shaking their groove thing with *serious* abandon... lol! At that point I got caught up in *their* enthusiam. It really was a smokin version...
Home At Last - just great. what can I say?
2nd set -
The Steely Dan Show - I was really happy they played this. Of course it's a throwaway, but it has a nice beat and you can hum it...
Janie Runaway/Hey 19 - smooth segue. Appropriately enough I passed a Dean & Deluca driving through the wine country on the way to the show. Walter got a big laugh/cheer when Don mention how the "fine Columbian" might be a little passe', and Walter responded, "Yeah, maybe we should change it to the "Humbolt green."
Haitian Divorce - Walter singing. Biggest surprise of the night for me! Just great. "No tears and no hearts breaking, no remorse..." I would have left happy if this was the only song they played.
Things I Miss The Most - Ok, how many times can I say "just great"?
ParkerĘs Band - sung by the "Ladies Choir" as Don called them. Too cool for school...
Josie - great version, drum solo had even those who don't like drum solos on their feet and applauding
Kid Charlemagne - "just...
DonĘt Take Me Alive - ...great"
encores -
My Old School - I won a bet with the guy behind me who thought they'd play "Reelin'..."
FM
Overall I thought it was a great show, and incredibly tight for the 3rd night of the tour. I did hear one flub by Barney on Godwhacker either going into the second bridge or coming out of it. As I mentioned before I'm a critical bastard, so other than that here are my few criticisms:
The tempos: laid back, with isn't bad, but they didn't vary much from song to song. And I'm going to get *really* nit-picky here - Tom Barney should stand up when he plays. As a bass player, I know for a fact that when you sit down, your energy sits down. This is true for bass moreso than any other instrument. Add that to the fact that he's reading charts instead of engaging with the players around him, it drags the energy of the whole rhythm section down. And he should know the arrangements on the older songs by now anyway.
The setlist: too hit oriented for my taste, though I have to admit they have to please many levels of Dan fans from the casual to the fanatic. So on that level everyone got to go home having heard something special. But compared to the setlists of the last couple of tours this one was a little conservative. And that leads into my bigest complaint:
Not enough EMG material! These songs are meant to be played live. and having Walt Weiskoff (sp?) on the tour and not playing "Everything Must Go"... well, what a waste. And only one song from 2vsN! What's up with that?
Aside from these gripes, I had a great time. After they get a few shows under their belt this tour will probably be the best ever.
Thanks for the space...
laters
tnz
User: Aja | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks for the reviews, all. I'm more than a little disappointed by the set list, though. FM? Peg? Josie? Janie? My Old School? Really guys, we've heard all those PLENTY of times-how 'bout King of the World, The Fez, TvN, Almost Gothic, Pixeleen, Green Book, etc. ????????? So many great songs on the last two CD's, and they pick the hits to play in concert. We're Steely Dan Fans, we KNOW the best stuff is always tucked in the back, and NEVER played on the radio! Here's hoping for a little set revision as the tour progesses.
Lance does it again!!!!!!!
Aja
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: OL: If you haven't heard Marian McPartland's interview on Piano Jazz with W&D, check it out on Andy Metzger's site...The basis for most of the songs played there and many of EMG is indeed Blues, but Ellington 40s style, not BB King style...I like it. Everything Must Go...a new start for rock with the right R&B twist...this time for adults, instead of for the kidz...
User: Original Lester | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Hello, Kelseyville?!?!?! Setlist???
The house of cards falling down- I like that metaphor. One thing that I'm not necessarily thrilled with is the heavy leaning towards blues, bordering on dependence. Though nobody does it like Don and Walt, the blues even when altered, still have an element of predictability, something I'd dare not accuse D+W of, since they wrote the book on transcending predictability. So the EMG intro provides a beautiful contrast to the somewhat mechanical tone of the first half of the album.
So glad to see we're all in agreement on Slang. Way to go, Walt.
User: Razor Boy - Canada | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: DACW - I should have qualified my opinion on the intro to EMG in the last posting, that I realized what the band wants it to signify, before dissing it as almost overdone. It just seemed like something they haven't done before, or I hadn't noticed previously. It's true about him being like a lecherous old lad when he sings SOA. When one watches the DVD from EMG, the two of them never miss an opportunity to leer or slide in a double entendre.
The one thing I have not done yet, and have done so infrequently since the cd era began, is to listen outside of my car cd player to 2 v Nature or EMG. It's like it engulfs me, yet when I have the cd playing and I'm outside the vehicle (such as unloading gear etc.)the nuances seem to be more noticeable. Driving and listening to their music just seems to be the right tonic.
Razor
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: OL, Razor Boy: Yes, I think Slang of Ages has been overlooked a bit. It's an 11 ToW song on vitamins. The tune reminds me a bit of Fall of '92, except 10 times better... The live tracking is better for Walter's singing IMO as well. His vocal rendition of Book of Liars is superior and more natural (a)live on AiA than 11 ToW. Walter's phrasing as the lecherous musician attempting to pick up a suspected ingenue (who turns out to be more adept than he) is dead on...he melds well with the backup singers in the chorus and especially the bridge...
Oh no, the intro to EMG really shows off the talents of Weiskopf and Carlock! The listener can really hear the new economy house of cards come crashing down. Indeed, the intro of the title tracks to EMG and TvN are highlights - note that Keith Carlock played on both! ...and to great effect. In fact, partially because of those openers, it would have been a great idea to start BOTH albums with the title track...In fact, playing EMG backwards in track sequence really works, especially since you end up with the BIG KABLOOIE when the plug is pulled on the Last Mall. Also the second half of the album is really strong...most critics, I believe, listen to just the first few songs, then sample the rest a bit, get drunk, and slap something review-like together...
User: SD WebDrone | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: PORTLAND (AUG 1) VENUE CHANGE
TICKET EXCHANGE REQUIRED
See info at:
http://steelydan.com/emgportland.html
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: Coming back from breakfast listening to the local "Classic Rock" station and they played Werewolves of London. This is actually a pretty unusual song for this station to play and I thought, "Oh no. I hope Warren is still with us." As some of you know he was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer last year. So I went to his website, and I gotta say this guy's sense of humor just ain't gonna quit in spite of anything.
Check who his "doctor" is!
http://www.warrenzevon.com/
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 27
Message: ok konochi harbor concert goers from last night give us the rundown please
portland just days away and so excited!!!
praying for "lunch with gina" and "pixaleen" and "EMG" at portland, and encore of "DR WU" (a song that is an important part of my younger days of surfing at jalama in the summer on south swells as a high school kid on the loose with his surfboard, car and great steely dan surfing friends in santa barara)
walt the surf could be good very close to portland, got your stick on tour with ya???
"a big giant thank you" to steely dan for doing this tour for us!!!!
hope the whole band is having fun touring
anyone know where they tend to stay while on tour near the venues?? like the sheraton-hilton etc or some other big name they stay at?? have some neat VERY rare beach fossil rocks of seashells, that are very special. we would like to give walt & donald one each as a thank you for "Blues Beach"
years ago at the gorge we got to greet them as they arrived in the limos, walt and don we were the ones with the banner reading "oregon surfers love steely dan" remember us??????
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Gina: Yes, the Mad Canadian makes it to another Birthday. Happy Birthday Blaise, Godwacker, Chase....whatever! Coffee and a kiss by phone for you, but no tee-shirt. ;-)
Surfing the web this evening, for some press and found this article. Interesting name for a group that, surprisingly, is not a Steely Dan Tribute Band.
"Music is not always made for the right reasons (think greed and crass exploitation), but that's not the case with Charlie Freak. Maybe these guys are just freaks of the music industry, because they play heavy rock with an impressive sense of purpose and passion.
The Boston group took its name from the character in a Steely Dan song about a drug addict who sells his last possession -- a gold ring -- to feed his habit. But the band Charlie Freak just liked the name and does not succumb to the angst it might imply."
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: W o w !!! Still majorly blissed out from Thursday's show in the Pass of the Valley Oaks. Just had such a good time I can't stop smiling. One of my partners in crime on the excursion just dropped by the house for a bit and his visit got a lot of those beautiful little Dan-trippin' moments all stirred up again. I love to feel like this. And another show tomorrow! Wonderful ; )
I'm packing for Tahoe, and leaving early in the morning. Weather is calling for possible afternoon/evening thundershowers, which is no surprise this time of year. My husband was on the South Shore a few days ago, and Tuesday and Wednesday they had pretty intense storm action. Lightning hit a transformer and power was out in parts of South Lake Tahoe for several hours. Weather Channel is predicting T-showers from 1-6 pm and also from 10 pm til whenever. If they are correct (what are the chances of that) it would put the 7 pm show in the clear. We need a couple of those Big City squeegee guys workin' the seats right before showtime. Squeegee your chair fo' a dollah, bro? Nice n' dry for yo' ladyfriend?
Anyway, feeling so alive after that Paso Robles show, of course I am checking dates again to see if there is any way I can fit in another show other than the upcoming Tahoe and Concord shows... Maybe Santa Barbara. Would have to miss a day of work during my way busiest month of the year. Hmmm.. certainly worth looking into. Kicking mice elf for not being at Konocti right now. Had my reasons, but wish I was there at this moment, just the same. Hope they are putting on a great show for everyone right now. Enjoy!
User: Razor Boy - Canada | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Orginal Lester - Your comments regarding WB handling the vocals on Slang of Ages is true, and having him sing is a great change of pace; the horns are gorgeous on that track. The only thing I found to be almost superflous was the opening 45 seconds on "Everything Must Go." I have almost tuned that out and would just have much prefered that the song starts off with the sax solo.
If they play "Time Out of Mind" in Hogtown (Toronto)in August, mine will blow. T.O.O.M. is perfection. Last tour, the choir sang "Dirty Work." I almost wilted. "Don't Take Me Alive" may kill me.
Emmanuel. These guys could pull off any of the songs you listed as being tough to play live. Thirty plus years of material, how long in between tours and albums, they are trying to cover as much as they can. Frankly, by the look of the set lists, there are some pleasant surprises. There are some tunes on "Aja" that I didn't hear on the last tour that are up this time.
Thanks for giving us a chance to whet our appetite.
Razor
User: let's do it' let's do it | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: played friday
Eric Alexander..Night Life In Tokyo.."island"
Horace Silver Quintet..Six Pieces Of Silver/lp Sr. blues.
Chris Connor.."Sr. Blues"
The Carla Bley Big Band..Looking For America..tijuna traffic
Junior Wells..Come On In This House.."give me one reason"
John Scofield..A GO GO.."'title"
The Crusaders..Rural Renewal.."creepin"
Jimmy Scott..Moonglow.."since I fell for you..(outstanding new one)
Houston Person.."blue velvet"
Joel Harrison..Free country.."I walk the line"w/norah jones on vocals..(new)
Stephane Grappelli/Mcoy tyner..one on one..'summertime"
Stanley Turrentine..lp Look Out.."little sheri"june 1960
David SanBorn..Time again.."sugar"(new)
Boz Scaggs.."Come On Home" I've got your love
Johny Copeland..Boom Boom.."I was born all over"
Jimmy Smith..lp Back At The Chicken Shack.."when I grow to old to dream"
Charles Davis..Blue Gardenia.."shadow of the sunset"(new)
Gill Scott-Heron..Pieces Of A Man.."when you are who you are"
Russle Gunn.."smokin gunn"
Stanley Turrentine..lp Salt..title
Gene Ammons..Soul Summit.."cool cool daddy"/vocals etta jones
Nat Adderly.."Little Big Horn".. title
Kenny Garrett.."a hole in one"
Ben Eager..Resolution.."please pass the hot sauce"(new)
Kenny Burrell..lp Midnight Blue..title..January 1963
La Mont Johnson.."Blinded By The Passion..title"
John Brim.."ice cream man"
John Lee hooker..Don't Look Back.."dimples"
Little Walter.."my babe"
I was an innocent child till you taught me your style. Willie Dixon
"Whatever I am You Made Me"
bluz
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: portland info is a must hurry you will lose your current seats and must gain new ones, maybe better than you had, may be slight worse.
BUT the venue will be soooooooo incredible dan fans, it will be the first indoor venue of the new EMG tour, about the size of a very large movie theater with fantastic acoustics, it is were they have classical music and plays and opera and so forth. Have not been there but have been in the schnizter hall in portland, which is about the same.
however we lost our 5th row coluseium center section for 10th row center- side section, -------BUMMER---------
I feel VERY sorry for the danners who had the 1st row seats that will lose them,,,,,,,,,, unless but maybe it was the scalpers!!!!!
User: Gina | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Highly entertaining to read the reviews of their tour here :-)
Too bad they won't "do" Europe this time around ...
But nevertheless, it's good to read everyone's having a ball at these rare venues, for that's what they are after all, right?
Enjoy!
Oh and Oleander, guess who's birthday it is tomorrow the 27th?
Our Canadian friend :-)
Blaise, many happy EMG returns & twists LOL
SMOOCH!!!!!!!
Banyan Tree Bow,
G.
User: The Drone | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: PORTLAND (AUG 1) VENUE CHANGE
Info page:
http://steelydan.com/emgportland.html
User: SDWebDrone | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: PORTLAND VENUE CHANGE - AUG 1
Venue for Steely Dan's Aug 1 show in Portland has been CHANGED from the Portland Coliseum to Keller Auditorium (formerly the Civic Auditorium at the PCPA). This is indeed OFFICIAL.
Ticketmaster informs us that an EXCHANGE will be necessary. We are hunting down full info and will post it later today. In the meantime, however, it may not be a bad idea for ticketholders to call their local Tickmaster Customer Service - look it up at
http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/customer_serve.html - and initiate the exchange process.
We would appreciate your help in passing on this word to any ticketholders you may know. Thanks
We also apologize for any inconvenience or temporary confusion this change may cause. But we expect that the new venue will be so superior for the serious DanFan that it will compensate for any heartburn
User: one of these years I'll edit outside work | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Tonka
reconditioned my Boston Acoustics
dense rhythm
percussion-wise.
probably because the drums are NOT live
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: if you have portland tickets you better get your ass on the phone to 503-224-4400 right now as you have to exchange your tickets and you DO NOT get what you currently have, we had 5th row bumped back to 10th
push # 9 then listen for # to go to venue change, you will be happy if you have 50th row NOW,,,,BUT if you had 1st row you are gonna be so F%#^#%^ pissed you may explode and if you paid ascalper you are F%$%^&$^&&* out of luck,
mike
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: After many delays, finally got my paws on Kamakiriad DVD-A...Tuned into the videos first - both wierd, cartoonish, and hilarious. Fagen reminds me of a post-modern Max Headroom lurking over the landscape...Snowbound reminds me of a Tonnka/Bobblehead Minority Report Visual panorama. Totally bizarro...
On to the album...I don't have a 5.1 system set-up, but recently reconditioned by Boston Acoustics speakers...this made a big difference naturally with the channel separation and bass - Barney's bass from TvN on Abbie and WoH really stand out...Anyway, the layered, dense rhytm section productioni on Kama, is opened up and reveals a lot of discrete little things going on percussion wise. Although the stereo mix is 92kHz instead of 192 kHz sampling rate for some unknown reason (probably the 5.1 mix was the focus), there is still that increased "natural sound" that really boosted TvN. The DVD-A for EMG is nice, but it has a more natural sound on CD to begin with...
The more natural sound really pays off on TransIsland Skyway, Springtime, and Tomorrow's Girls...In the fab bridge of Tomorrow's Girls, you can realy hear the chimes moving in the breeze and the triangle. Another song that gets a big boost, that didn't need much is Florida Romm - jeez, sound like a real Duke Ellington big band swinging!!! On The Dunes and Teahouse are amazing, but i expected that. Kama, like EMG has still has a much stronger last half...this is just what the doctor ordered...
Countermoon has a new rhythm section mix, while the rest of the songs are only slightly modulated...it's probably because the drums are live, a loop, or Pro-Tools massage - they're still suspiciously drum machine-like, at least the snare...still plastic, but weird (and weird is good) sound...
Walter's guitar is great, especially on Snowbound and tomorrow's Girls
Wadenius has some nice accents, but his rhythm guitar is still not my cup of tea...no wonder no guitar arrangments are credited to Donald - I woudn't claim them although I appreciate what they were going for! Too bad McCracken or Carlton were not available...
Overall, HIGHLY recommended!
Can't wait to hear Carlock live!
If you're feeling Down, remember that "Mini-Me" just got engaged to a 6 ft 2 in aerobics instructor...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: It was WebDrone who posted the venue change. Or are we being toyed with?
User: Ray | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Well, upon more digging, the link from sd homepage takes you to a new venue etc on ticketmaster for keller... I stand corrected
User: Ray | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: From all I can gather. NO CHANGE OF PORTLAND VENUE. Don't know how that started.... yesterday's A&E in Friday paper still has Memorial Coliseum in ad and description, Ticketmaster website still has Memorial Coliseum, Keller Auditorium has nothing and yields no SD when searched by name or date. Not nice to scare me this early on a Saturday am. So where did this info come from, anyway?
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: hi webdrone,
I have tickets for portland very good seats. see venue has changed, just went through ticketmaster phone and they are not open till 9 am, do you know their procedure for exchanging tickets? will we get comperable tickets? we live 5 hours from the venue. I see good seats now on internet presale, I am worried, any great advise? I see no advise on sd website.
thank you, mike
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: Interesting to read the reviews of these first shows. Certainly if I have a choice I would prefer to see them after they've gotten a few performances under their belt. It just takes time for a band to gel live. They may not have been able to get as much rehearsal time in before the tour as they would have liked. They'll have about twenty shows behind them by the time I see them in Manassas.
When I saw them in '96 at Va. Beach it was the 2nd show on the tour and the first in a shed. The first set was way too heavy on the bass guitar and at one point DF had to get up and direct the band because they had gotten a little lost in the arrangement. After the break they came back and sounded great. The PA mix problems were taken care of and they played with a lot more energy. Maybe D&W gave the band a big pep talk during the break or maybe they indulged in a little illegal fun to get 'em in the mood.
I see no reason they couldn't pull off Green Book and Lunch With Gina live. If Don doesn't play the synth parts then Ted Baker surely could.
Would really be nice to hear more from EMG and 2vN.
After a long time thinking about it I've come to the conclusion that Walter Becker definitely reads these pages on occasion and I'd be willing to bet that he's been checking out our comments since the tour started.
So who knows what the near future may hold.
Hutch
User: Original Lester | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: I was part of the fucking great crowd in Paso Robles, but first I need to briefly weigh in on EMG.
My immediate feeling on the album still holds, which is that the second half (from Slang of Ages on) is far stronger than the first half. The decision to give Walt his first lead vox on a SD studio release was perfectly timed. Whereas Donald was the right call for Jack of Speed, Walt's Eric Burdon vibe on Slang is way out of Donald's realm. And yet, it feels like Steely Dan althewhile. Big bravo on SOA, from a guy who doesn't usually care for songs sung by WB. Green Book is solid, and it grows on me more with each listen. The title track is the best song on the album, hands down. Though I hold that it is unfair to compare the last two albums to the 70's Dan, the intro to the title track is one of the finest achievements for Don and Walt in their career. All in all, I liked 2VN better, but I'm mostly pleased, and I have all the time in the world to give EMG a chance to win me over more.
So that takes us to the tour. I loved the start with Aja, although I thought Herington's solos left a lot to be desired. He just didn't seem to know what he wanted to do. I love Herington's fit with the band, but this was the one occasion on the past two tours I wasn't sold on his play. Otherwise, the song easily eclipsed the Alive In America performance, and anyone who has followed their previous tours immediately takes note of Keith Carlock on drums. It is apparent that Carlock gives these songs some serious testicles. Without a doubt the best drummer they've had since they reunited.
Time Out of Mind was a pleasant surprise, as was Caves. Godwhacker, not one of my favorite EMG songs, was pretty sharp, and Becker's lead play was about as good as I've ever seen him. Slang of Ages was, as on EMG, great. Peg and Home at Last solid as ever.
Parker's Band by the ladies was very cool. I wish they had tried something new from 2VN, rather than fall back on Janie again, but the segue into Hey 19 was cool. The final four were also solid as ever. My kid, who was at his first SD show, wanted to see Black Cow, and I'm not sure why they omitted it from their final five this time around. But the energy on Kid and Don't Take Me Alive was noticeably higher this time around.
One other disappointment- no Katy songs. Surprising since they played 2 in their shows on the last 2 tours, but not surprising with the "safe" factor that was referred to earlier.
So, by and large, they did enough things to keep most of the fans happy, as with recent past tours. For those of us die-hards who'd like to hear a few more obscure cuts, we can take comfort in the spirit of the performance, and the solid band that they've largely maintained from the kickass Tour 2K.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 26
Message: The more you listen to that album, the more those last four tracks stand out. But I can see how all of them would be hard to perform.
'Green Book' has a distinctive noodling keys/guitar battle that perhaps wouldn't really come out when played live.
'Pixeleen' probably has vocals that are just too weird and too hard, plus some time signature issues.
'Lunch With Gina', very subdued but fast horn playing, probably easily overstated when played live.
'Everything Must Go', of course, the jazz intro and the upper register singing.
Then again, this is the stuff that you wonder about, right. How would it sound? The set list I saw is a bit on the safe side, I think. With the exception of 'Aja' and 'Janie Runaway', it's really sort of the M.O.R. Steely Dan. As if to drive it home, they close off with 'FM'...
I was starting to think, I'm not missing that much - and then suddenly 'Blues Beach' appeared on the set list.
Blues Beach! That ultimate one-two funk beat! Blues Beach! The song with the theme that's not really a theme! Blues Beach! The soundtrack to my 2003 summer! Blues Beach! The song in which Don finally, after all those years, finds it in his heart to ad-lib the dead-trodden line "talkin' bout the blues..."
I need a ticket now.
User: ThisJustIn | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47426-2003Jul25?language=printer
User: SD WebDrone | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: PORTLAND VENUE CHANGE - AUG 1
Venue for Steely Dan's Aug 1 show in Portland has been CHANGED from the Portland Coliseum to Keller Auditorium (formerly the Civic Auditorium at the PCPA).
A webpage on the Keller Auditorium - directions, info, etc - is at
http://www.pcpa.com/events/keller.php
We would appreciate your help in passing on this word to any ticketholders you may know. Thanks
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: King baby ~ love your name, it is one of my top 5 favorite recorded songs in the world. Ever. Don't know why; just always loved that song. Gotta say I was just a little too busy last night to be actively trying to identify a grasshopper's ass per se; was referring more to the cosmic "save his ass" and the royal "we" Damn she skipped dimensions ! ~ ! oh well later dude : )
I really should have taken a nap when I got home this afternoon, but alas, it was not to be. I'm punch drunk from yesterday. A good way to be.
That's right...Slang me!!
User: king of the world | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: AlGothNegGrl--- I defy you to locate an ass on a cricket, but I'll bet you spent a good part of that night looking. Had a good time, sounds like. Enjoyed your (and someone else's) account(s) of poolside soundcheck and DFs introduction of various band members and amusement park rides. Snorted out loud at "And let's give it up for THAT thing!!!"
jjeff----- Thanks for some science-fiction commentary. Only managed Neuromancer so far, myself. (So THAT'S what a Meat Puppet is....)
RoyScam---- Rock and Roll Purists love Reeling In the Years, especially the solo. I love just about everything they ever did, but that one. Someone called the renovated, retooled RiTYs "sappy"... only if Aja is. The original is corny and pop-like to me. On Alive, I can finally listen to it.
Where's Molly?
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Now I'm on Book of Liars on the Alive album. If Walt can keep it together and continue producing at the current rate, he will astound all of us soon. He could be a MAJOR DUDE.
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Thanks for the concert colour: JDubz, Angel (manure wafts-classic!!!), Soout, Dietrologie, Almost Gothic Negative Girl.
Aus
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: I'm listening to Slang of Ages and recalling Walt's immortal rendition on opening night. You guys it's really a marvelous song. Rich in emotion and irony. Low on dynamic. He sidled up to that mike Wednesday night like it was his lifeline to the mother-ship, he really put it out there. He reminded me of - c'mon with me for a sec on this -- Louis Armstrong. Heresy, I know, but here's a guy who has NO business addressing a microphone by traditional bell'canto standards, but here's a guy with tremendous chops, ok maybe if only in his head, but isn't that the most important part in which they reside? He's snarling into a mike while cleeking and scrathing that powder-blue piece of s**t axe...inspirational, truly. The prodigal returns.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Rajah:
Alternative Steely Dan Set List:
Dr. Wu
Pixeleen
Black Cow
Your Gold Teeth II
Godwhacker
Razor Boy
The Fez
Green Book
West of Hollywood
Intermission
Aja
Lunch With Gina
Gaucho
Things I Miss the Most
Here at the Western World
Any World
Caves of Altamira
Slang of Ages
Everything Must Go
Encores:
Night by Night
FM
User: what do you call a hairy guy with breasts? | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: sofuckedup!
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Still at work and still slightly the worse for wear, sorry for all the mistakes on my earlier post. I hope to do better this time. :-)
The Set List. Very heavy on Aja, Royal Scam cuts and hits, for a good reason. The crowd at these fairs don't have any idea there is a new album out. The guys gave them a taste and then went back to hits. They mentioned on the introduction to Parker's Band that probably most of the audience wouldn't remember the song. Which was probably right on.
My little one mentioned the fact that the ferris wheel was spinning in time to the music. I thought it funny that Donald thanked the Ferris Wheel at the end of the concert. Did he notice it, too? :-)
Yes, definitely the smell of manure was in the air. Forget the smell of pot, at this gig.
Babe choir were in Pink Steely Dan tee shirts (think those wonderwaif tee shirts from the 2000 tour), with black leather jackets over them. It was cold and windy at start time. You could see Donald's hands were cold. Then the wind died down and things got much warmer, for the 2nd set. The first 4 songs were definitely not quite right on and maybe that was the people still coming to their seats, adding to the madness. Godwacker in particular, didn't feel quite right, but when they hit their groove, they mowed them down. The audience were on their feet for the entire encore. I hope for a better rendition of Godwacker, when I see them at Universal in October.
My hotel was on the special fair bus route, so we took the bus to the fair. It took about 5 minutes at the most. Great for having freedom to have a drink and not have to worry about driving in a strange town. I recommend that to anyone who is seeing a performance at the Mid State Fair.
Enjoy Kelseyville tomorrow.
User: SDWebDrone | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: PORTLAND VENUE CHANGE - AUG 1
Venue for Steely Dan's Aug 1 show in Portland has been CHANGED from the Portland Coliseum to Keller Auditorium (formerly the Civic Auditorium at the PCPA).
A webpage on the Keller Auditorium - directions, info, etc - is at
http://www.pcpa.com/events/keller.php
We would appreciate your help in passing on this word to any ticketholders you may know. Thanks
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Had an absolutely indescribably fun fun fun time for the last 24 hours on this leg of my Steely Dan journey. Can't even begin to type it all up here right now, but Paso Robles was a REALLY good time for me. Picked the right motel, homey but with all the amenities, walk to venue in about 5 minutes, which was nice, but the best part was hearing the soundcheck start up around 3:45, while relaxing in the motel spa and pool, and later back at my room while awaiting the arrival of my guests. Soundcheck started out with Home at Last, then Blues Beach, Janie R, Kid C, G-Dub, and Haitian Divorce. Walter's and Donald's voices wafting through the gardens while enjoying a leisurely swim a few hours before showtime was the stuff of dreams. Who knew?
Yes, half of the crowd was chatty as hell, running back and forth, and being a genuine distraction for the entire first set. Happily for us, at least from where we were sitting/dancing, the second set was a whole new ballgame. We were even with Donald and about half way back in the venue. Able to stand behind our seats and dance. The crowd really got into it in the second set. Singing, dancing, bopping, diggin' it; was it Fagen or Becker who at that point said with a surprised lilt to their voice, "Hey, you are a fucking GREAT crowd!" By that point, they were. At least they finally got there; it was touch and go earlier, and I'm glad they got it together : )
Show was a bit rusty in spots and lacked that high-pro-glow steely polish, which is to be expected at this point in the tour. Donald seemed to bobble lyrics/lose focus a few times and there were some other occasions, which felt forced and gridlocked for a moment. But the magic GREATLY outweighed any perceived clammage, and the ensemble playing when it clicked as it so often did last night, was a thing of beauty. I love these guys and it is an honor to see their live performances. They are such perfectionists that now I find myself expecting more from them, too. I have seen them better, and expect that this Sunday's Tahoe show will be improved. With that said, for my $$$ they put on a better live show than almost anybody else performing today, so if I find a few faults it doesn't mean I dont' think the show was topnotch, because, of course it was! Like I said, I had the time of my life. Met some fantastic people, sang along too much, laughed my ass off, rode that big bad ferris wheel (yikes!), even had a nice little pipeload at the top, heard the soundcheck from my hot tub for crying-out-loud, stayed up late in our room giggling and drinking and carryin' on, and on and on. Even got a cricket stuck in the el of our bathroom sink drain at about 1:00 am. Oh my god. Tried so hard to save his ass. Don't even ask...
I loved the setlist, but could do without FM, so many other songs could take the place. I was so jazzed to hear Things I Miss the Most, Godwhacker, Home at Last, Parker's, Don't Take Me Alive, and Caves.
User: At the Show | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Walter did not sing Aja in Tahoe. The first set wasn't that good.
The second set was great! The sound man forgot to put the house
sound on when they started Janie Runaway. Donald sang half of the
song without even knowing. The house sound came on half way through
the song. It's only going to get better.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: StAl: OUCH! Get some medical marijuana to that man pronto!
This one's for you:
Pussy Whipped
http://213.159.10.102/germany.asp?pad=190,205,&item_id=33065
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Bob for goddssake, give us some detailed analysis. Check the notes, did Walter sing AJA or is someone herein hallucinating?
Bruce & Cindy - Please eleborate, I'm dyin here. You started this and let's not forget kindness to strangers.
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: They're trying to kill me -- yesterday in the LA Times there were ads for the following concerts (that I can remember right now) Springsteen, Alan Parsons Project, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Paul Rodgers of Bad Co, Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, KISS, Heart, David Lee Roth and on and on and on
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: The more I think about it, the more I love the idea of Don and Walt randomly switching lead vocal duties. As much as I love "the voice", I think Walter brings a fresh interpertation to the lyrics, and it's nice to hear from the other half of the Steely beast..
I realize this may sound like heresy...
So does this mean WB sang 3 tunes in Reno? What s'up?
User: Molly | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: St.Al, ouch! Sorry to read about your shoulder. Hope you feel better soon. *kisses*
Clas, Hey Honeyman!!!! I'm still lurking about. I have been remodeling my house,rock climbing every chance I get and doing lots of glasswork.
King of the World, hey babe!! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.
Wild Bill, I hope you're behaving. But somehow I doubt that you are. ;-) I'm seeing Hiatt in Atlanta. Yay!!!
Jaz, I've missed you something fierce. Hope all is well with you and Mrs Jaz. I almost passed out from the shock of reading a post by both you and Wild Bill on the same day! Fire up the ambulance, it's time for a road trip bud. *hugs*
Duncan, I lost your snail mail addy when old PC crashed. Thanks for the offer, but don't bother yourself. The tape is fine.
BB, I've been so neglected by you I have decided to get rid of your sorry ass and take up with Fingers.
Fingers, leave the light on for me Sugar.
I'm enjoying EMG but to be honest, I feel a bit sad. Their lastest just doesn't have the same impact that Aja did for me. Perhaps it's because I'm no longer a kid. I miss that part of 19. Everything was shiny and new. lol Ah well, it's still all good. M
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Saint Alphonso: I feel your pain bud. We always keep a fresh supply of percocets, Darvocets and hydrocodone around the house, so if your shoulder still hurts when you come to NYC, you'll be well cared for.
GE & YGK: I will be at the Roseland shows as well. Looking forward to meeting you GE.
Walter sings Aja??? Wow-wee.
Aus
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Pat,
Okay this is VERY IMPORTANT...
DO NOT under any circumstances begin dancing like a wild man at the
SD Gorge show! You might dislocate your shoulder again, which would
probably cause D&W to stop the show while the EMS crew loads you into
the helicopter. Not only would you have to pay for the chopper ride to
the hospital but there would be the matter of compensating all of the
Steely Dan band members and road crew for the concert delay.
I understand they charge by the hour. Right now it's something like
$825,000 an hour for a weekday show. I'm afraid to ask what the weekend
show rate is.
I know your shoulder hurts but look at it this way, at least you got
some free percodan out of the experience and you got to take a ride in
a helicopter. How many people would like to take a vacation that included
those two things?
Bill
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: My God, WB singing AJA...do tell. How'd he do? Was it their first song? Hummmana hummanna hummana!
User: Bruce & Cindy Gordon | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: July 27th SD at Harvey's Amphitheatre...WOW we had a F*****G blast, the audience was right there with them rocking out, WALTER sang Aja!! It was moving. A+ concert. See you in Concord October 4th Donald & Walter. Love & Hugs, Bruce and Cindy
User: nurse worm t | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: sorry to hear of your accidents
and on vacation no less
here's to a swift recovering on the shoulder
wt
User: WJAZ/suffering the suburban sprawl... | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: ST.AL...
I believe it was Jerry Seinfeld who said "imagine if we went on vacation and ACTUALLY had a good time..."
Helicopter bill shouldn't be over $8500.00...
User: Aja | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: I'm having Tour de France withdrawals this morning, but those lyrics are going to help me make it through the day-LOL!
YGK-was mailing out my check when I though what the hell-I'll just pick up the CD from you in person! Save one for me when I get there, okay? Here's hoping that Core show comes through as well.
St. Al-hope the shoulder stays in one place from now on.
Aja
User: king richard | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: will be attending my first dan concert in columbus - would be interested in any danfests before or after show.
User: tones | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: Oh maaaaaaaaaan... St. Al! I was wincing reading through your post. Hope you're recovering from the shock of it all. I know it must be hell trying to get comfortable enough to even sleep. Hang in there dude...
So how was the view from the helicopter?
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 28
Message: TO PDX DISGRUNTED:
if you bought from ticketmaster website:
same thing happened to me, had 5th row dead center got pushed to 10 row side, BUT just got off phone at 541-224-4400, push # 9 quickly then listen for option on previous purchased tickets, wait for 5 or so minutes than ask the person who answers to switch you to customer service, explain you situation calmly ( the hard part) and ask for the center section C tickets popping up on ticketmaster site now, and a refund on the others. it worked for me got back into 6th row center, is a Headache and takes about 1/2 hour on phone but worth it, hurry hope you get this asap
mike
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: DACW - I got it, Don & Walt were abducted by aliens and replaced with clones. No, then DF's voice would be better. Seriously though, TIMTM actually worked well, someday it'll be a singalong number at the shows, that's if there is a someday.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Rajah: I agree...This is as bizarro as the so-called promotion by AOL Time Warner Without Ted Turner Whatever...Greenbook, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, and EMG are a string of recordings that rivals their absolute best. The upper register of Pix would be a challenge certainly...
...hey, I thought Pixeleen would be the next single? I love TIMTM, but it's not single material, especially on AAA (what's up with that?)...Pixeleen or Lunch With Gina on AC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clinton was on CNN and Larry King:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43431-2003Jul24.html
E: Kobe is accused of RAPE...but who are we to judge about another spoiled athlete's uhhh "sex life"? If his wife's OK with it after he bought her a 4 million dollar stone apology, we should just "move on"...after all, every woman wants a 6 ft 7 guy tearing her panties and vagina against her will...
Lieberman and I are in the center
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: I'm still sittin here scratching my head over no Gina, Pixie or EMG. I mean, aren't they touring in support of this album or wha? And why keep hammering Do It Again, FM (for goodnessake), Hey 19 (just blow me up), and Kid? Am I not getting something here?
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: leaving cyberspace in 5 minutes, not to return until August 4th - on vacation, actually crossing the bridge...
wormy - check in mail
over and out
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Back from El Paso de Robles (the pass of the oak).
All the way on the left side, so view was sometimes blocked and the guards up front & side of us were dealing with those same lovely people, JW just mentioned. Donald and Walter were much more at ease then what I have heard they were in Orange County. They gave the Back up singers fried Twinkies as gifts, which was just too funny. I mini trend, from what Donald said.
A few quicks thoughts....
Parker's Band was just fabulous. Great rendition by the Back-up Singers.
Carlock just blows me away on drums. No worries, he fills just fine. ;-)
Slang Me!!!!!
Haitian Divorce without the talk box?
Godwacker extended in the center bridge area.
Things I miss the Most....wow! (Bought the tee shirt).
No time for more. Glad to see so many were at the show. We manage to find ourselves, quite well.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Hey Jaydubz - I think these first few at the fair gigs are being used as a warm up. See they do four shows then are off four straight days and I think the time will be used to evaluate what works, what doesn't. Sounds like the crowd from hell.
But wow you say young people? Young as in under forty? I'm seriously shocked. What other acts are booked for this cow palace?
User: Jaydubz | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Just in from Paso Robles...
The band was in fine form last night, particularly Carlock. The high-point for me was the arrangement of "Parker's Band." That said, at the risk of sounding like an "elitist city-slicker" (if there's such a thing in LA), the venue and the audience thoroughly SUCKED. We were dead-center floor, row SS. I've seen every tour since '93 in LA venues, and although there were incidents of people talking, etc. through the shows, the general tone of EVERY one of those shows was one of deference & genuine interest as to what was going on onstage. I'm not sure if it was a case of the PA just not being loud enough (which might have been the case, since the venue was inside the fair and they may have adjusted accordingly), or my ears are going from playing/recording for too many years, but the CONSTANT DIN of the audience jabbering literally drowned out the subtlety of the arrangements - particularly DF's melodica, the non-solo portions of the horn section and the bare midriff-section. It was FIVE times worse than any other Dan show I've attended. The din increased during the new stuff and the lesser-known back-catalog songs, and was cancelled out by off-key "group caterwauling" during the hits. I suppose I could attribute some of my crankiness to the full beer that was spilled on my head and down the back of my pullover two songs into the first set by some redneck who felt no need to apologize, and subsequently referred to DF as "Steely Dan" for the rest of the show. The "Hey, let's go the the fair, and while we're at it, we'll get a fried twinkee & go hear that guy Steely Dan..." mindset prevailed (at least in the section that we were in) over the dedicated fans. The silver lining in my little diatribe? ...an UNUSUAL amount of young(er) people who seemed to know and genuinely APPRECIATE both the old and new stuff!
Thanks for the great show, gentlemen!
User: sooutrageous | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: i took in the show on wednesday night in costa mesa. i brought my 14 year old son daimen along for his very first live steely dan experience. he was extremley pumped for the show having been primed by several bar-b-ques, cotton candy, a caramel apple and a funnel cake on the midway before entering the amphitheatre.
donald was the same pathologically-awkward donald we all know and love. after aja, he stood at the mike with his melodica in his hand and said........"what a night!"........it's just really..............great???""" his voice trailed off. he actually phrased it as a question.
the horn section was "down home memphis" fabulous! cornelious is still sooo soulful.
i do agree with the earlier posters who stated that donald did not have full command of his voice throughout the show. it may have been an upper-respiratory thing or perhaps age has just taken his nyc twang down a notch or two. no matter; who else can sing these wonderful lyrics the way mr. fagen can?
the rhythm section was dead-on and the drum solo was truly breathtaking.
i realize that no one wants to read any more bullshit about the guitar thing, but my god.....i really really miss larry carlton. i know, i know, i know that the guitar afficionados here on the gb will tell me how larry's solo stuff was all light jazz treacle and mindless fluff, things change, people evolve, but the tracks he laid down for donald and walter as an accompaniment to their wonderful compositions were immeasurable. to me there is something almost sacred about the masterful solos on kid charlemagne, don't take me alive, and haiitian divorce. can there never be a sense of ownership? larry carlton owns the aforementioned songs as surely as mssers fagen and becker. who can deny that? jon herrington is a gifted guitar player but larry carlton's interpretation of steely dan's music is magical.
i've heard countless bands do pink floyd covers throughout my life and though many had talented guitarist, none raised my hackles as david gilmore did when i watched him perform HIS mournful solo on comfortably numb. there is a definite sense of ownership.
alright already.....enough pontificating from me. the concert was great, the horns sounded funky, the girls made me randy, the set list was inspired and the boys were as socially inept and nyc-laconic as i fondly remembered them!
see everyone at the mandaly bay this fall.
User: Drew | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Molly-please call me.
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: I saw Ray Bryant over 2 years ago at the Jazz Standard here in the City.
Sat 10 feet away from him. He had a trio with a wonderful kid drummer who smoked, and Ray just taught us the Blues all night long....in his late 60s/early 70s.....nice cat, gigs a bit, too.......
ygk
User: Mr.sticks | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: We hope everyone had a chance to see Steely Dan this past Wednesday night at the Pacific Amp.What a great show,BUT...we did get a shorted show due to the time restrictions at the PAC amp..well FEAR NOT ! TONIGHT..you will get what you came for..
Not 1 hour..not 2 hours with a 20 minute break and two band intros..BUT 3 HOURS of LIVE ..STEELY DAN MUSIC performed by ..STEELY FAN BAND!
8:30PM...THE STUDIO CAFE....NEWPORT BEACH,CA.
Please join us as the Dan fest continues.
Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Reading all these reviews is like slow torture.
Should have gotten those Reno tickets when I had the chance!
August 22nd seems like years from now.
And The Gorge... should have gotten those Gorge tickets too...
might have to do Roseland to make up for it all... and what about
West Palm? Yeah, West Palm too...
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: EMG DOWN TO #91 ON THE ALBUM CHARTS!
Good thing this tour is starting. Reprise, get your act together.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Apparently, Cubano Chant was written by a great solo jazz pianist named Ray Bryant. The guy's name is all over the internet.
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: I know z promised not to say anything here if he gave the new one a bad review, but that doesn't stop ME from ranting.
As you all know, I was trained at the Conservatoire as a child, but chose to go into psychiatry because I could both make more money and destroy people's minds at the same time.
I don't think I need to go into my list of famous former patients whose lives I pretty much destroyed- Syd Barrett, Skip Spence, Peter Green, Thelonious Monk, Bud Powell, etc...
BTW, I copied EMG from my local library so I didn't shell out a cent, which puts me way ahead, as usual.
"The Last Mall"
It's easy to see why most of you put this on the bottom, it's just a I IV V with a bridge in the parallel minor, so we're not talking great creativity here.
"Blues Beach" They tried for a diatonic "Bad Sneakers" thing here, but it lacked any poignancy whatsoever.
"Things I Miss the Most"- They tried for a minor key "Josie" type of thing here, and again fell short.
"Slang of Ages"- This reminded me how bad "11 Tracks of Whack" was, with the chord progressions that went nowhere. WB reminds me of another former patient of mine. Leonard Cohen (a little prozac, and he was off doing handsprings!)on this one.
"Godwhacker"- I'm sorry, there's nothing really special about this one either, other than the interesting lyrics. A "Royal Scam" minor key wannabe that has a stupid sounding rock lick and nothing special about the melody or harmony.
"Everything Must Go"- Funny lyrics, but cliched chord progression, but a decent melodic line, for a change.
Now we get to the best three songs of the CD:
"Pixeleen"- Great melody, unusal phrase lengths, killer harmonies, just as good lyrics as "Cousin Dupree". Crazy ending!
"Green Book"- Definitely the highlight of the CD, which they even admitted was leftover stuff from TVN. Sure, they're just repeating the melody a 4th higher, but what kind of tonic are they using, a minor11thflat5? Great,classic Dan in the harmonic language of "Glamour Profession".
Finally "Lunch With Gina", which I saved for last because a deludin binge has pretty much wiped out my memory of most of this CD, and this song entirely.
However, though it wasn't as great as "Negative Girl" I still thought it was another clever Dan song about borderline personality disorder (about all that's left to the good doctor nowadays)that had good lyrics, harmony and melody.
As z predicted, there was nothing sensational guitar or bass-wise on this one, but Becker has greatly improved on both instruments and plays a mean dorian mode lick on "Last Mall" which sounds like Grant Green.
Fagen plays a few decent solos on synth and even gets that "Do It Again" sound on the Wurlitzer on one song.
He imitates a guitar with distortion too well on another song, and makes guitarists everywhere feel obsolete.
Weiskopf plays 2 nice solos, but they're not on the level of Pete Christlieb, Phil Woods, or Wayne Shorter, but then again, who is?
The drummer was very good, and the horn arrangements by DF were also good.
My main complaint with both TVN and EMG is that they've fallen into a kind of formulaic type of thing with the melody to most of their songs starting out on one chord (usually a dom7th chord, or sometimes a minor 7th chord)which goes on for a long time,until they get near the chorus, where they do some more chromatic, jazz-type harmonies for a contrast.
This worked well with "Josie" and others, but since that horrible "Kamakiriad", has become more mundane.
Critically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: Monkey House | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: IMAGINE my surprise when I dropped in for some Dan dirt and found John/Yoko MIND GAMES raging. Anyone feel like STARTING OVER?
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: EVERYTHING MUST GO DROPS FROM 22 LAST WEEK TO 49.
REPRISE RECORDS, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND PROMOTE THIS RECORD NOW!
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: Things I Miss The Most
I love the melancholy of this song
It even has that nearly quiet apologetic opening stanza
like someone who's world has come crashing down and is resolved to resignation while everything else is busy around them
obviously the big divorce - and the world is oblivious
"I don't mind the quiet
Or the lonely nights
I don't miss the funky attitudes
And I don't miss the fights
I lie on the couch 'till suppertime
And hunker down and read the Post
And that's when I remember the things I miss the most"
our protagonist looks backwards to fill his void
he doesn't mind the empty house, the isolation
but he realizes there was a lot of strife he could gladly have done without
his old companion's qwirks are obvious - but he isn't having to deal with them now, so fond reminisence sets it
he's got more time on his hands, and nobody placing demands on him
hence the relaxed spiraling pace to dinnertime
the paper harkens to leisurely sunday mornings with old beau
"The talk
The sex
Somebody to trust
The Audi TT
The house on the Vineyard
The house on the gulf coast
These are the things I miss the most"
love this chorus
sparse, direct (maybe too direct)
he longs for the positive things she brought him
and misses that core element of trust fundamental to it all
then things digress to the adult toy chest
materialism ala mode
cars and houses - big ticket items
my take is he married into bigger money and prestige
and those things stayed in the family
enjoyed Dr Mu and Angel's Kennedy correlation
but I prefer it more vague
"I kinda like frying up
My sad cuisine
Gettin' in bed and curling up with a girlie magazine
But sometimes in the corner of my eye
I see that adorable ghost
And then ba-boom I remember the things I miss the most"
dinner for 1 - sad cuisine
probably an easy stir fry - doesn't feel the effort to cook (espec for 1)
girlie mag - his ex's old evening reading material
Martha Stewart or Cosmo? reminding him of her abscence
(the Heff and Larry Flynt end doesn't work here
it's less the physical than the emotional)
adorable ghost - his departed love
ba-boom - a honeymooner "I got it" moment
"The talk
The sex
Somebody to trust
The comfy Eames chair
The good copper pans
The '54 Strat
These are the things I miss the most"
second chorus strays to the exotic materilistic
thy shalt covet
Eames was an expensive designer 60's chair
the strat priceless and again acquired with ex's abounding affluence
and stays in the family
(he can't be taken to the cleaners when they weren't his to begin with)
the tit for tat of divorce possessions is all in her favor here
"I had a little birdy friend
By morning she was gone
Birdy good-bye
Birdy bye-bye"
a non fullfilling aquaintance
younger, none of the sophistication of his former spouse
she sees the state he's in and is quickly out of there
he sees the meaninglessness of the encounter
"I'm learning how to meditate
So far so good
I'm building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood
The days really don't last forever
But it's getting pretty damn close
And that's when I remember the things I miss the most"
self help 101 - get in touch with one's real self
that guy you lost in the relationship
a project will keep me busy
the irony - cheap balsa and a tragic leasure liner
a freudian mirror of his less plush surroundings and sinking esteem
brilliant
just love the next line's double innuendo
days don't last forever - meaning that relationship is gone
but they do drag on too long - my current painfully dreadful situation
timtm - the what a shame about me of EMG
a ghost of his former self
self absorbed,longing for that good life
not the more substaintial things that might make it truly significant
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: Sociable Hermit, baby: Now, if and when this came to pass, had you ripped off your shirt and run through the store screamming the lyrics whilst knocking over displays of canned goods and chinaware, then you would have gotten their attention. Then you'd be the Sociopath Hermit.
[bada-bopp]
A-thang-you.
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: Hey All,
I heard "Blues Beach" this afternoon while shopping. Just as the chorus was about to start, a voice over broke in, "Attention all Ralph's shoppers..."
A little too soon to become canned music, don't you think?
Later,
Herm
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: wt - no apology necessary really... you raised some valid points, as usual. I'm way too sensitive and defensive about this stuff anyway for someone who's not related to them. In fact, I'm considering placing a bid for a life on Ebay...
User: Dano | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: Leggin it to Ireland in the AM.
Just to wish all you Guys over there a..............
Happy 4th of July , Hope you have a great day.
I will down a pint of the Black Stuff for ya.
Cheers
Dano.
User: wt | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: hey Tones
sorry i struck a nerve, not my intention
although Yoko has taken a lot of crap some criticism is surely valid
in emmanuel's nomenclature ONO = Pricilla (sp?)
McCartney's overbearingness certainly was a major factor
I cringe everytime I watch the beatles anthology dvds where Paul tries to weasel his way out of being the one who pushed the "Magical Mystery Tour" film project - 'not sure who's idea it was, probably mine, but the others were not objecting and fully along for the ride" Damn, just say it didn't work, was a flop, it was all my bloody bad idea and be done with it.
certainly Yoko has been demonized more than any public figure this side of Richard Nixon
Lennon's is a twisted tail
and when you not so inadvertently become the spokeperson for a generation
you are also a rather large scrutinized target
wt
User: tono | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: And of course, steviedan will never forgive Yoko for the second side of Live Peace in Toronto...
User: duh... | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: coll = cool
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: wt - coll. I'm glad we can talk about this...
No of course no one is completely above reproach. But some of the stuff people spout as facts are so unfair. For instance, saying Yoko alienated John from Julian. Hell, John wasn't around for most of Julian's childhood because he was the most famous musicain in the world in the most famous band ever, *before* he met Yoko. And during the seventies John reached out to Julian with Yoko's support. There are many pictures of John and Yoko and Julian together as a family. But to put it in perspective, Cynthia understandably didn't have pleasant feelings about how things went down, and I'm sure some of that hostility was passed on to Julian. But that's not completely on Yoko. Neither was the breakup of the Beatles, and if Paul was honest about it he'd admit it; hell, George certainly had more problems with Paul at the time than he did with Yoko. But nobody seems to want to blame Paul's overbearingness (if that's a word) for the breakup of the Beatles (except me...), especially not Paul.
And as for the "hoarding", I believe those were considered "investments" by Yoko. When Yoko took over the family business affairs, thing weren't looking too good, what with most of John's Apple capitol being tied up in years of litigation, and John not having a hit record in years. Even the tell-all books document how Yoko increased the value of the Lennono portfolio dramatically. If she had been a man would this have been seen as "evil" or "hypocritical"? It certainly kept John from having to get a day job, lol... Too bad Chapman based his actions on the opinion of one reporter.
I admit I'm pro-ono biased, but John and Yoko have been *waaaay* more open and forthcoming about their faults, more than any other public figures I can think of. Not completely, as is understandable, but they talked openly about their mistakes, addictions, child custody battles, personal relationship issues, on and on, and then to have people try to take them down based on lies just isn't right. They've certainly earned my benefit-of-the-doubt.
But yes, I may be deluding myself as much as the next person.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: Yoko.
I thought I wouldn't get into it, but tonez made me think twice.
So now we got these camps:
Pro-Yoko
Anti-Yoko
Pro-Libby
Anti-Libby
Libby = Yoko
Libby = not Yoko
That's six opinions. Let's start with the first.
Yoko.
The man who introduced Lennon to Yoko also introduced him to heroine. Consequently, Lennon and Yoko became addicts, and as heroine addicts go, they had to always be together in order to function. So you end up with Beatles recording sessions with Yoko present, in a sick bed with a microphone. Purely and simply the result of drug abuse.
I am anti-Yoko, as you can tell, but I'm more anti-harddrugs.
Libby.
I'm glad Donald's happy. I have no idea if this woulda been the case without Libby - who does? But I think we can all agree that the possibility was always there that Donals would sink away in self-doubt and depression. Apparantly the opposite is happening so we shouldn't have any complaints. Pro-Libby!
Now, is Libby on drugs? Or Donald?
...I doubt it, don't you?
Libby = not Yoko.
User: wt | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: tones - no hostility taken
I think one can weigh the reality from the axe to grind tabloid horror
don't think I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water here
but some of that stuff was reality and was quickly squelched (even with death threats)
some elements of the insider tabloid hold weight
the Lennon's are not beyond reproach
McCartney has made many comments on how his relationship with John was totally sabotaged over the years via yoko and they are well backed up there
Lennon's altimate loving relationship portrayed to the press was as much a sensation as anything exagerated in the post tell alls
tragically, an article by a reputable reporter in the late 70's spouting Lennon's reclusiveness, huge buying spree dakota wherehouse and John's totally in the shell writers block pre Double Fantasy was what lead the demented Hawaiin Chapman to "take out the hypocrite". His larger than life idol wasn't walking it the way he talked it.
sorry to insight you, but the truth is somewhere in between
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: I didn't mean to come off as hostile wt, but I expect that kind of stuff from Bill; I was suprised to read that stuff from you.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: I won't drive any car until they're steam-powered.
Rajah, I just listened to 'Countermoon' and there are indeed quite some similarities with 'Lunch With Gina'. However, as I am not a big Kamakiriad fan (and therefore, according to ubl.com, not a Steely Dan completist), I'm going for 'Blues Beach' instead. Everyone, get your congas out!
User: Beyond pure speculation... | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: What POSS-ible insight could any of you feebs have into Donald's relationship with his wife?
User: tonez | Month: 6 | Day: 3
Message: wt - with all due respect, that yoko rap was utter
bullshit.
I don't have time to get into this, but if you care to know the facts:
The guy who was John's personal assistant (who stole John's diaries and recordings after he died, after he was fired when he was found wearing some of John's clothes and taking a bath in Yoko's private residence - *that's* the kind of scumbag you're getting your "facts" from) has recanted *in court* the bulk of what you posted and what was printed in those books, was ordered to return the stolen property, and issued a public apology to Yoko.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/28/entertainment/main312843.shtml
Most of those "missing years" tell alls came from people like him who had axes to grind with the Lennons or just wanted to make a fast buck after his death.
And if you ever knew *anything* about John Lennon you would know he's not someone who could or would let himself be controlled by anyone. The Yoko "mind control" crap is just that. Crap. And an insult to all those concerned.
Yeah, "Imagine no posessions." He wrote that in a song, but that doesn't mean that's practical advice in this reality. Instead the Lennons gave, and Yoko still does, more to charities than you will ever know. I personally know of an occasion just 2 years ago where Yoko donated some of John's art and stuff and nearly a million dollars in cash to a local charity here in northern California *unsolicited and unpublicised*; in fact the charity itself didn't know anything about it until a huge truck pulled up in front of thier place and started unloading donated stuff.
Does that sound anything like the person you vilified with third hand misinformation? You won't find anything about their acts of charity in those "missing years biographies".
Of course in the end you're gona think what you want, unless your wife or girlfriend has you under some kind of mind control.
I guess I did have time for this after all...
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 4 | Day: 28
Message: Beers: Sod it - I forgot!
Hope you can do Saturday - it promises to be a dooser. FM still pending as we have'nt all been in the same room at the same time since B-O-T!!
Will be in touch regarding November either later today or tomorrow.
User: Beers | Month: 4 | Day: 28
Message: Bassinstinct; Don't FEED the CLAS ... LOL
Working on a way to be there on Sat now... FM ready ?
User: GoodKingRichard | Month: 4 | Day: 28
Message: Ole! - We're going good - hope the same for you. How's this bunch of reprobates been treating your own royalness lately?
Princess Lil's now a little large for the Barrytown XXL gym top (still haven't got around to having it framed!). Unfortunately, I was fantasising - our own modest tour is heading in the opposite direction to Europe until November, just hope there's a leg or two there at the end of October that we can catch.
Richard&kangaroos
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 4 | Day: 28
Message:
C @ W:
So, what is it that you do "pretend to be" ?
User: Jimbo | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Clas- You were right. Marcus Baylor is the current drummer for the Yellowjackets. He actually replaced Peter Erskine who replaced William Kennedy who replaced Ricky Lawson. Whew!
13 More days till EMG!
User: C & W | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Sorry Malc, it wasn't me, I swear. It must have been my co-worker.
And me, release an album? I am not in showbiz Malc, and I don't pretend I am either.
User: Jimbo | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Just saw the new confessional.
Not surprising that the snake was more attracted to Donald than Maria.
User: oleander | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Hello GKR!! How's the princess? If you actually make a stateside show, please let me know.
YGK--thx.
HEY!! New vid clip on the ODP EMG taxi ride. Mr. Fagen shows his reptilian allure.
User: . | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: .
User: Joe Biden - NY Times Primer on Plagarism | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: http://www.nutsandboltsguide.com/plagiarism.html
User: steelydoubt | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: im am gonna put a countdown timer on my page. nothing fancy just how many days.
and my e-mail addy is for real just take out the all caps stuff
User: Lars | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Nice said YGK, where can I buy a copy? Your Wunderground site has no link ... .
L
User: Oh, Yeah, Core NYC | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Has anyone heard it?
And cares to comment?
Even in this time of a Dan Countdown to Everything Must go?
User: YGK | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: Wow, Clas, you are as brilliant as a firefly:
Core NYC is independently produced, as in, the recording was financed, assembled, edited, mastered and pressed by the band; was also paid for by the band, and continues to do so. We are working on securing some financing to produce a larger quantity, which makes a lot more sense economically. Also, if we produce a larger quantity, distribution would be easier through Amazon, CDstreet, CDbaby, as well as our website, as well as some local brick and mortar stores. If we can get some funds we need, you can bet you can get it through Amazon.......
Oh, BTW, this is an entire album, i.e. 14 songs with a reprise, and runs over 65 minutes long - it's a chunky amount of material, considering my last effort was only 6 trax and ~35 minutes. We have it on juke boxes around the city and it's getting great responses - getting radio play slowly. Since we're an independent, small, underfinanced entity, we're doing what we can to find people who can help us spread the word. Some folks who are not even our friends are phreaking out about it.
So, no, there's no label yet, and no, no contract. If you were paying attention, you might notice the sad state of the music industry, as the deals offered to 'artists' are abhorent and grossly unfair in terms of publishing and payback. And the music is neither memorable or enjoyable. Norah Jones made waves by being simple, and talented, and bringing back some soul to her music. I don't know Norah Jones deal, but EMI/Bluenote certainly didn't overpromote her in an expensive kind of way, and they worked her into radio and word of mouth which was very smart. She's worthwhile, and yet her detractors aren't all wrong, either.
So, Clas, the next time you produce a full length album of original material, let me know, and you can explain to me why your distribution is so small, and you don't have a label.
ygk
User: DanAudioWhackedCore | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: at least there wasn't Rosanne BARR - "Anthems to Rid Your Home of Rodents and Insects"
User: Jimbo | Month: 4 | Day: 27
Message: 14 more days till EMG.
Looks like Michael Jackson should've had Suze Orman as a financial consultant.
I guess that it may have been mentioned before, but I just got the new issue of Ice which has our boys on the cover. Todd Everett did good on the story except for one thing. He wrote: "Becker produced Fagan's solo album '11 Tracks of Whack'; Fagen returned the favor on Becker's 'Kamakiriad.'" Plus some bad news about Aja not being remixed for 5.1.
Kamakiriad will be out on DVD Audio on June 24. I just hope they have those two music videos : Tommorrow's Girls and Snowbound. Otherwise, I'll be very disappointed.
Some other CDs out on June 10th
TONY BENNETT-Life is Beautiful
ROSANNE CASH-10 Song Demo
MILES DAVIS-Love Songs 2
PETER GREEN-Blues by Green
SOPHIE B. HAWKINS-The Best of
MARIAN MCPARTLAND-Contrasts
FRANCIS ALBERT SINATRA- The essential-Columbia Years
PETER TOSH-The Essential
KENNY G. Ultimate G.
JOHN TESH-Songs in the key of Love
Please avoid the last two, if buying. They will produce a lack of soul,
rhythm, beat, oh, and put you to sleep. Possibly permanent sleep. The rest are the opposite, meaning you'll live longer.
User: Gary Katz @Dominos | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message:
Clas: This One is clearly going to be every bit as bad as Aja. Don't bother.
http://store.repriserec.com/store/product.asp?upc=093624843528
My dartboard and I did play a crucial role in picking out song order for the Dan albums and the Nightfly. Anyone who's listened to Kamakiriad or TvN know the guys screwed this up royally, nevermind the recordings...glad to hear they got it right this time around for Everything Must Go...
Here's the Correct song order for Two Against Nature:
Two Against Nature
What a Shame About Me
Janie Runaway
Jack of Speed
Almost Gothic
Gaslighting Abbie
Cousin Dupree
Negative Girl
West of Hollywood
and KAMAKIRIAD:
Teahouse on the Tracks
On the Dunes
Florida Room
Tomorrow's Girls
Snowbound
Springtime
Countermoon
Translsland Skyway
If you play TransIsland Skyway backwards around "There's my Daddy mowing the lawn..." it's fairly easy to make out:
"Gary, get out of River Sound and get me a Pastrami on rye!"
User: dear God | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: shut up, Bill.
User: More answers from the great beyond | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: All your friends have been banned from participating Yasmina.
They made the mistake of trying to have fun over in Bluebookland.
I guess we'll have to find an alternate chatroom to meet in.
But I caution you Yasmina, the "real Steely Dan fans" are ever
vigilant to uncover and destroy all vestiges of fun and goodtimes
from the world of Steely Dan. One must be extremely careful who one
brings to our new meeting place. They have even been successful in
closing down the Banyantrees Chatroom, which was a known hotbed of
irreverent SD activity. Why the people in there actually told
Non-Steely Dan related stories and encouraged each other to laugh!
This was of course a direct violation of the Bluebook code of ethics.
Something had to be done about it I'm afraid...
And so dear Yasmina, be not afraid.
You will learn to accept the rule of the "real Steely Dan fans".
You'll soon come to understand that laughter is a sign of weakness.
That there is only one way to worship Steely Dan, and that is to
speak only in respectful tones and never, NEVER attempt to engage in
personal happiness at the expense of lord and saviors; Mssrs. Fagen
and Becker.
Go no Yasmina and comtemplate to Steely Dan scriptures. And may you
find that unity of mind and thought that so aptly describes the
inhabitants of the Bluebook.
Sincerely,
Zenmaster B.
User: yamina | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: What happened to the old SD chat room? Can't find my old buddies in the new green room. Yasmina
User: Molly | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: Bluz, you have a harem?
User: DACW | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: db: This one's for U
PREFAB SPROUT
Cars And Girls
by Paddy McAloon
Brucie dreams life's a highway too many roads bypass my way
Or they never begin. Innocence coming to grief
At the hands of life - Stinkin' car thief, that's my concept of sin
Does heaven wait all heavenly over the next horizon ?
But look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt more much more than cars and girls.
Just look at us now, start counting, what adds up the way it did when we were young ?
Look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt much more than cars and girls.
Life's a drive through a dust bowl, what's it do, do to a young soul
We are deeply concerned, someone stops for directions,
Something responds deep in our engines, we have all been burned
Will heaven wait all heavenly over the next horizon ?
But look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt more much more than cars and girls.
Just look at us now, start counting, what adds up the way it did when we were young ?
Look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt much more than cars and girls.
Little boy got a hot rod, thinks it makes him some kind of new God
Well this is one race he won't win,
'Cos life's no cruise with a cool chick
Too many folks feelin' car sick, but it never pulls in.
Brucie's thoughts - Pretty streamers
- Guess this world needs its dreamers may they never wake up.
But look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt more much more than cars and girls.
Just look at us now, start counting, what adds up the way it did when we were young ?
Look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt much more than cars and girls.
But look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt more much more than cars and girls.
Just look at us now, start counting, what adds up the way it did when we were young ?
Look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt much more than cars and girls.
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: Good to see Neil is back on the bus again.
Mr. Stewart
User: DACW | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: W1P; Indeed. honorable mention to: REM, Paul Schaeffer and the CBS Orchestra
User: Beers | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: bluz; You busy packin ? OR the harem just rebelled And you is strung up lol ?
User: Fred Biletnikoff | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: Keyshawn's a lost cause guys... he's a bigger baby than Randy Moss with not quite half the talent. And he keeps mumbling something about his "tightend"...
User: sh | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message:
st al - how can the Rude Waitress have a wing ding of a going away party for Cyn if your chat is unavailable? i'm sure we couldn't have any fun at the green room...
User: Keyshawn | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: *censored again*
User: Paul Warfield | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: Look Keyshawn, nobody's gonna take you seriously until you take off those ballet tights and learn to catch one over the middle...
User: Keyshawn | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: *censored*
User: RudeWaitress | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: ..Slang you? What the fuck does that mean ? Do you want American slang, Brit slang, Ebonic slang...or my personal favorite..13 yr old school slang?
Oh yeah..theres the ever popular "diner slang"
User: Otis Taylor | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: Keyshawn, ya twit! You're a disgrace to the profession! You couldn't catch a clue if it was glued to your hands...
User: Keyshawn | Month: 4 | Day: 23
Message: St.Al- Hero worship? Oh come on! If you ran into Dave Matthews in the street you'd cum in your pants!
Rudewaitress- SLANG ME!
User: HalfwayCrucified | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: If cheap thrills were the things he was seeking most in life, heĘd certainly come to the right place. The building looked decidedly out-of-
place in such an edge-city neighborhood. Its flaky gray exterior making it less than inconspicuous to preoccupied
passers-by who were on their way to visit family or friends. The tight groove emanating
from within seemed to make the windows move with undulating rhythm, like a piece of
cellophane blown against a chain-link fence on an autumn day. The front gate hung open
from a single bent hinge. The yard and front walk were littered with cigarette
butts and beer caps.
Snooty always went in through the back door. He wasnĘt sneaky like a second-story man
but more like a tomcat coming in from a late night prowl, cavalier, but still trying not to
disturb the neighborĘs dogs. The back door led into a mudroom of sorts, which was piled
to the ceiling with yellowed bundles of the New York Post and Philadelphia Daily News.
An old wooden high chair lay on its side near the far window next to a plastic milk carton
filled with what appeared to be warped audio-cassette boxes and dusty albums; a yellowing cover of what appeared to be Steely Dan's Countdown to
Ecstasy was partially visible beneath a crayon-scribbled copy Al Green's Green is Blue.
User: "...an actor out on loan..." | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: What the hell does *that* mean? That's right up there with "...hub cap diamond-star halo"...
Just thinking they should have got Iggy to fill in for Jim. He's a natural baritone, and he's got the right 'tude...
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Top ten "what the hell does that mean?" ala Steely Dan:
10. Semi-mojo
9. "How can you knock this mighty spitelock..."
8. "...see her do the can-can-Jacques"
7. Angular banjoes
6. "With a handle in your hand..."
5. "They all masissi but we hang tough..."
4. "High in the Custerdome..."
3. "E l'era del terzo mondo"
2. the Italian gibberish at the end of "Only a Fool Would Say That"
1. "Brooklyn owes the charmer under me..."
User: Blues Beach | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: I hate the Doors.
User: DACW | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: ...and Riders on the Storm is a masterful recording with mood and music and *most of the lyrics* ("his brain is squirming like a toad" just doesn't work)...I don't believe in mystic, but this comes close - almost fortelling Morrison's own demise...
User: wormy | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: thursday jazzfest
an interesting day
started out with a celtic/cajun bazooki player and band Beth Peterson
a few stops off for trad jazz (think hot 5's and 7's)
creole music, sonny landreth's slide (the PA dropped out in one song, they kept playing and 3 minutes later was back on!)
North Mississippi Allstars bluesman meets skynyrd carry the youth torch nicely, a funky Irene Sage, then splitting sets between John Mayer and Dave Holland Quintet - Mayer didn't disappoint with lushous acoustic forays and some nice strat work (a lot of bubbling schoolgirls in attendance) then off for Holland's moving set - the ex Miles bassist with Marimba's, trombone, sax and a widely syncopated drummer Billy Kilton (have to look him up) who really was all over the beat
shout outs to those dan festers from the last two years Jim#, Aja, Aussie, YGK, Ole, Lady B
Mock TurtleWax - will have to check out the digital page
can't wait for another SD DVD installment
the Doors - they really unleashed one with Morrison
poet - shaman - realist - and in the flight of flower power
morrison looked at life from both a tragically mystical edge and with the perceptive grit of a resigned philosopher
the other members added their own aspects - especially Krieger (highly overlooked) with his jazz chops and eastern playing aspects
only VU had a similiar slant on the underbelly of the culture at the time
User: DACW | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message:
One could argue about the Doors discography in its entirety, but when Break On Through eminated for the first time from KLMs, the rock world was never the same...what Dylan did lyrically, the Doors, Pet Sounds, and Strawberry Fields Forever gave musci in rock infinite possibilities departing from the 3 chord based-blues...
Jim Morrison's baritone gave meat and muscle to poetry with a voice that rose from the limbic system like the Loch Ness monster...
Ray Manzerek was the first to use left hand for the bass line, although his right hand tended to play repetitive stuff a times, it was weird enough to be good or at least interesting...very surreal caliope, and almost Western as in the Wild Wild West... Dunsmore, Kriege, and Manzerek had some jazz training and their total was greater than the some of their parts...
User: Aja...................still not working | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Interesting to read the discussion on the Doors. I pulled out a few Doors CD's for my road trip through Death Valley and the Eastern Sierras-some great songs, some so-so's, a few misses, but all of it unique. Jim Morrison wasn't a musician, he was an artist. Love him or hate him, he inspires a reaction, which is what artists aspire to do. He needed the good musicians behind him to make it music. For the Doors, one doesn't work without the other. Can you imagine "Hello, I Love You", "Crystal Ship", "People are Strange", "Strange Days" without Morrison's expression and intensity, or imagine Morrison trying to do "LA Woman", "Riders on the Storm", and "Touch Me" without the band?
"King of the World" happened to come on just as I was entering Death Valley-too perfect!
Lady B-I'm tempted, tempted........... I have the vacation time, just have to coordinate it with a trip to VA a few weeks later.
The land of Monty Python gives us the "Fluffi Bunni" hackers. I laughed so hard I nearly wet my pants when I read about those guys.
Six more weeks of school........
Aja
User: angel | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Doors: Morrison not a great musician? Well, it obviously didn't matter where it counted. Great band, great loss.
Been grooving to the new tunes and also to some of the McPartland stuff. Walter does a great solo on Black Friday. First time I have heard it, without other guitarists. Outstanding.
Chain Lightning is great too. Especially with the trading (more then) fours. Nice.
Newsflash: Somewhere West of Hollywood....The President landed on the aircraft carrier and the plane he was on caught the 4th arrester wire. Ack! Close call.
User: W1P | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Jimbo states "Bill- While I agree that the Doors without Morrison failed in the 70's. I still think that adding two different people (and I think Stewart Copeland is one of the greatest drummers around) is still a mistake and it makes the Doors almost sound like a tribute band. Astbury doesn't have the magnetic presence, lyrical skills or vocal delivery that Jim had."
There's a Doors tribute band here in Southern California called Wild Child. Their singer Dave Brock channels Jim with at least 50,000 watts of power! A question -- haven't there been bands that have made lineup changes for the better? I'm not saying Astbury/Copeland is an upgrade but its not beyond possible that there could be someone out there who would be an adequate replacement for Jim
User: jimbo | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: bona fide t.- I liked that part you said about Astbury trying to channel Morrison, but Morrison wasn't "broadcasting." Why Astbury is with the band is beyond me. You can't imitiate or pretend that you're the real thing.
Bill- While I agree that the Doors without Morrison failed in the 70's. I still think that adding two different people (and I think Stewart Copeland is one of the greatest drummers around) is still a mistake and it makes the Doors almost sound like a tribute band. Astbury doesn't have the magnetic presence, lyrical skills or vocal delivery that Jim had.
BTW- The Dixie Chick kick off their tour today, pray that the assholes don't let the Chicks down. Pray as well for Luther.
User: soul kitchen | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Wanted to make a point about how Morrison was one of the first performers who tried to consciously take down the "wall" between the audience the performer (other bands were doing that too, like the Airplane and the Dead, others in their own way...). And as far as I know he was the first to openly try to piss the audience off, to provoke a negative reaction. Sometimes he did it to get the crowd out of it's passive role, and get that intense energy of that moment anything is possible and anything could happen.
Most of the time I bet he was just drunk.
User: Might as well leave it damn decloaking device -off-... | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Talent wise I agree with you on a certain level if you limit what the Doors did, or atempted to do. The Doors were one of the first commercial acts to consciously attempt performance art. Morrison never claimed to be a musician. But he did consider himself/aspire to be a poet, and as part of the poetic trend his trip was confrontation. Confrontation that occasionally had relevant point behind it. And was lucky enough to have unique and ocasionally great band behind him or else no one would have noticed.
That makes him/them extremely influential, especially when you consider people like Patti Smith or Iggy Pop or many others who may not be considered musicians either but may be more musical and poetic than some who are.
just t-hinking...
User: Let's face it | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: Compared to what the Byrds, Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Who and Zeppelin were coming up with, Morrison wasn't fit to hold their capos!
User: -decloaking- | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: imho - Some friends of mine who knew JM personally before and during the Doors said pretty much the same thing about him.
In twenty years no one will remember that the guy from the Red Hot Chili Peppers can't sing either...
-cloaking-
User: idiot | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: !!! then you are
User: Oh, I shiver, alright | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: But it's more malarial than awe-inspired. Pompous, self-inflated, overwrought.
As the TV Oscar Madison said, "A cacaphonie of cockamamie claptrap."
User: so...then | Month: 4 | Day: 1
Message: can you listen to The End & not shiver ?
User: ¦ - rimshot at the ready | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Bad, Bass, YGK: keep 'em coming - great!
Angel: good idea - I'll try it. There's definitely some walk up bass in there. Not as obvious as Bill Lee's on Wlak Between Raindrops
Howard: Sounds like someone pulled the plug or the power went out at the Mall as it shut down while a band played live...I dunno - I really dig the cheery altered Charles Brown blues thing...so I have it close to What a Shame About Me, Chain Lightning, Time Out of Mind...as usual, Fagen's bridge puts some real spice in the song. Plus the recording balance and soundscape production is the best since Aja or Katy Lied...I love it!!!
t: Here's something besides the Dan we can all agree on: Rick Sanitarium errr.... Santorum is an Idiot!!!!...but why is that suprising in Congress!?...The "flow" of illogic from Priest pedophilia to "men and dogs" is mind boggling - check out the reaction of the reporter!!!...I'm not offended, just ROFLMAO!!!...I'm a Fed Libertarian - that is the Feds really have no business in the bedroom - those laws are all at the state level as the should be: unisex marraiges in Hawaii, Cousin Dupree, bigamy, or whatever with Pompeii or Walt Dog, or if a hamlet in Texas wants things squeaky clean including their gun barrels, that's their business:..
The Associated Press Tuesday, April 22, 2003
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(04-22) 15:51 PDT (AP) --
An unedited section of the Associated Press interview, taped April 7, with Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa. Words that couldn't be heard clearly on the tape are marked (unintelligible).
AP: If you're saying that liberalism is taking power away from the families, how is conservatism giving more power to the families?
SANTORUM: Putting more money in their pocketbook is one. The more money you take away from families is the less power that family has. And that's a basic power. The average American family in the 1950s paid (unintelligible) percent in federal taxes. An average American family now pays about 25 percent.
The argument is, yes, we need to help other people. But one of the things we tried to do with welfare, and we're trying to do with other programs is, we're setting levels of expectation and responsibility, which the left never wanted to do. They don't want to judge. They say, Oh, you can't judge people. They should be able to do what they want to do. Well, not if you're taking my money and giving it to them. But it's this whole idea of moral equivalency. (unintelligible) My feeling is, well, if it's my money, I have a right to judge.
AP: Speaking of liberalism, there was a story in The Washington Post about six months ago, they'd pulled something off the Web, some article that you wrote blaming, according to *******The Washington Post, blaming in part the Catholic Church scandal on liberalism.****** Can you explain that?
SANTORUM: You have the problem within the church. Again, it goes back to this moral relativism, which is very accepting of a variety of different lifestyles. And if you make the case that if you can do whatever you want to do, as long as it's in the privacy of your own home, this "right to privacy," then why be surprised that people are doing things that are deviant within their own home? If you say, there is no deviant as long as it's private, as long as it's consensual, then don't be surprised what you get. You're going to get a lot of things that you're sending signals that as long as you do it privately and consensually, we don't really care what you do. And that leads to a culture that is not one that is nurturing and necessarily healthy. I would make the argument in areas where you have that as an accepted lifestyle, don't be surprised that you get more of it.
AP: The right to privacy lifestyle?
SANTORUM: The right to privacy lifestyle.
AP: What's the alternative?
SANTORUM: In this case, what we're talking about, basically, is priests who were having sexual relations with post-pubescent men. We're not talking about priests with 3-year-olds, or 5-year-olds. We're talking about a basic homosexual relationship. Which, again, according to the world view sense is a a perfectly fine relationship as long as it's consensual between people. If you view the world that way, and you say that's fine, you would assume that you would see more of it.
AP: Well, what would you do?
SANTORUM: What would I do with what?
AP: I mean, how would you remedy? What's the alternative?
SANTORUM: First off, I don't believe _
AP: I mean, should we outlaw homosexuality?
SANTORUM: I have no problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts. As I would with acts of other, what I would consider to be, acts outside of traditional heterosexual relationships. And that includes a variety of different acts, not just homosexual. I have nothing, absolutely nothing against anyone who's homosexual. If that's their orientation, then I accept that. And I have no problem with someone who has other orientations. The question is, do you act upon those orientations? So it's not the person, it's the person's actions. And you have to separate the person from their actions.
AP: OK, without being too gory or graphic, so if somebody is homosexual, you would argue that they should not have sex?
SANTORUM: We have laws in states, like the one at the Supreme Court right now, that has sodomy laws and they were there for a purpose. Because, again, I would argue, they undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family. And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created, it was created in Griswold -- Griswold was the contraceptive case -- and abortion. And now we're just extending it out. And the further you extend it out, the more you -- this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family. You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong, healthy families. Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, where it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family.
Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that's what? Children. Monogamous relationships. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. **********It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever********* the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality _
AP: I'm sorry, *********I didn't think I was going to talk about "man on dog" with a United States senator, *******it's sort of freaking me out.******** (LOL)
SANTORUM: And that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seeing it in our society.
AP: Sorry, I just never expected to talk about that when I came over here to interview you. Would a President Santorum eliminate a right to privacy -- you don't agree with it?
SANTORUM: I've been very clear about that. The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a (ban on) rights to limit individual passions. And I don't agree with that. So I would make the argument that with President, or Senator or Congressman or whoever Santorum, I would put it back to where it is, the democratic process. If New York doesn't want sodomy laws, if the people of New York want abortion, fine. I mean, I wouldn't agree with it, but that's their right. But I don't agree with the Supreme Court coming in.
User: wormy | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: A young child says to his mother, "Mom, when I grow up I'd like to be a musician." She replies, "Well honey, you know you can't do both."
Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm?
A: A tattoo.
Q: What do you call a drummer in a three-piece suit?
A: "The Defendant"
Q: What do clarinetists use for birth control?
A: Their personalities.
Q: What did the drummer get on his I.Q. Test?
A: Saliva.
Q: What's the difference between a folk guitar player and a large pizza?
A: A large pizza can feed a family of four.
Q: What's the difference between an opera singer and a pit bull?
A: Lipstick.
Q: What do you call a guitar player that only knows two chords?
A: A music critic.
User: YGK | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: What do you call a guitarist without a girlfriend?
(homeless)
Why did the guitarist put drumsticks in his dashboard window?
(so he could park in the handicapped section)
ygk - funny thing - I don't know any keyboard jokes.......
User: bad sneakers | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: OK bassinstinct
Whats got three legs and an arsehole ???
A drum stool
User: angel | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Mu, Howard, et al. Put your player into megabass and take another listen on that bass line. I definitely get the feeling that during parts of the song, the bass line sounds a lot like the Booker T and the MG's "Green Onions". A personal favorite bass line song. (minus Steely Dan ones).
I originally heard it going in and out between 2:24 and 2:35, but it turns up other places like 1:21 to 1:28 and 2:00 to 2:01. It adds a really cool layer to the song.
Mu and Hank Silvers: Yes, Gospel candy. Adding to that, this song has sweet treats and surprises. :-)
User: Howard | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message:
Glad that more people have been able to treat their ears to "The Last Mall". I too have had the pleasure!
I have to admit to being slightly underwhelmed at first, but it's grown on me. After 10-15 listens, I'm liking it a lot. A few thoughts:
* I think they missed the last chord of the ending because the world blew up at that point.
* D's voice sounds fine (especially on the word "blues").
* The triangle in the intro is OK, but it can never hope to compete with the Green Earrings triangle work.
* When's the last time D hit a high note like that? (Bb at the end of the bridge)
* Basic verse keyboard changes remind me of Peg (different rhythm, but some very similar chords)
* More harmonic "edginess", continuing the trend from 2VN. The IV and V chords in the verse are definitely twisted, and the horns keep switching between major and minor 3rds (not in a bluesy way, but in a more 21st century Steely Dan kind of way...)
My guess is that (as with Cousin Dupree) Last Mall was chosen (by someone other than D/W) because it is one of the most "straight ahead" and "accessible" tracks of the bunch. In other words, I bet there's more dark, twisted and spicy material than this. Can't wait.
How many days till June 10th now?
Howard
User: Gina | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: A new habit of listening to The Last Mall a couple of times a day :-)
Nice appetizer to EMG.
Was zappin' the belgium channels on TV and suddenly spotted Jason Hobard in his deathbed. It was the movie MAGNOLIA. Read and heard about it, but never saw it. French subtitles, so easy to follow in original language. A strange but GOOD movie so even though i missed most of it, you just inhale the images and events happening. At some point someone drives in a car and you see him in a certain state of mind, looking around ... Suddenly this he sees ...
EVERYTHING MUST GO at 75% off ... big yellow neon ...
Well, certainly an AHA Erlebnis in current SD affairs, right?
The horror of toads falling from the skies like rain soon after this scene is tied to the musings in mind ...
A Banyan Not The Last sMall Talk Bow,
G.
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Sorry.
Only jesting - definitely no disrespect meant.
User: Miles Ahead | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Cyn - are we talking Mickey Mouse Miles or real Miles, as 1 Mile = 10 Kilometers?
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I heard the song and I love it. Steely Dan, it sure is.
It has that significant twist to it.
/C
User: James Pankow | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: That was rude, man.
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Bad Sneakers:
Q: What's the difference between a squirrel dead at the side of the road and a trombonist at the side of the road?
A: There's an outside chance that the squirrel could have been on the way to a gig.
See you on the glorious 3rd.
User: Scotty | Month: 3 | Day: 24
Message: Alan, the reply-to address in your email is crook and my reply bounced. Definitely interested.
For any other Australians out there who may be interested in a bit of a trip to the States for the second leg of the tour, Step on in and let me shake your hand. Seems like I'm not the only nut over here.
...the coming is close at hand
User: bad sneakers | Month: 3 | Day: 23
Message: Z
Whats the definition of the eternal optimist ???
A jazz banjo player with a pager
:-)
User: steviedanjopicker | Month: 3 | Day: 23
Message: right on hoops, i for one dig a bit 'o the reg...
ah, back in the topsoil again ! yes, we HAVE been deep in the rare earth for far too long...
ygk, i know. the whole crumbling economic empire, the veritable royal scam. if i didn't think i knew better, i'd swear that the steely duo may be just a little tickled by it all...
z, if i were a numerologist i'd predict that your numbers for the weekend would be two and four. i have fooled around with a cheap five-string. the fingerings, even in open g, are fairly simplistic (the challenge of course being to voice the extensions with only four strings and a pesky drone (more or less)), but i didn't have the time to devote to "the roll". on a good day i can choke out a half-assed "ballad of jed clampett" or improvise and fill in, but bela has nothing to worry about. at all. have fun !
User: h | Month: 3 | Day: 23
Message: Actually there are a lot of Danfans who are EJ fans. It's the piano thing. Surprising but true.
User: ¦ | Month: 3 | Day: 23
Message: angel: don't forget "gospel candy" - Springtime
User: Beerberianni | Month: 3 | Day: 23
Message: WWW.Amazon.com ......... Is this a true mix ?
Customers who bought titles by Steely Dan also bought titles by these artists:
Donald Fagen
Elton John
Pink Floyd
Rolling Stones
Walter Becker
Come on own up ......Do you all have these ? I know EJ may be a little dif to admit too BUT think "Don't shoot me" maybe ......
User: Moll | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Yes Duncan.....life is flying by for me as well. My little man will be 7 in about a month. It seems like it was but a few weeks ago We bought him home from the hospital. Why can I remember every detail about his birth and most of my pregnancy, yet can not seem to locate my car keys half the time? :) Then I think about hearing Steely almost 30 years ago....How'd that happen? lol Say Hi to Mrs. Duncan for me....I hope she's having an easy time of things. Kiss Dan and tell him JJ and I wish him a Happy Easter. I need your snail mail addy BTW.
It's All Steely, and It's all good!!!! Much as I like Michael Franks, he isn't in same league as Steely Dan. It's like comparing Kenny G to Charlie Parker IMHO. Bird has new remastered release I've been dying to hear. Anyone had the chance to give it a listen?
User: StAl | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Qwerty: I've heard it before but it is an interesting observation about Gaucho. No doubt about it -- everything gelled with Aja. If I had to rank the discs, I'd have to say Gaucho is my least favorite of all the SD discs. However, I still enjoy it. I also agree with your take on the songs on 2VN. I've always thought Negative Girl, Almost Gothic and What A Shame were the weakest tracks on the CD. Sometimes I actually forward past them when listening to the disc -- something I almost never do on other SD discs.
StAl
User: tones | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: steviedan - thanks for setting my mind at ease bud. This all came about because I was browsing the Steely page at allmusic.com, and I noticed that they gave the Catalyst 2 stars while giving Android Warehouse something like 4 (they only gave Royal Scam 3 stars btw, the schmoes...), and since they have basically the same songs I wondered if maybe the deciding factor was the sound quality. See, what I 'm hpoing to find eventually is a complete set of these demos that has the same great (relatively) sound as on this compilation I have on vinyl from 1983 called Becker/Fagen - The Early Years. It's was on the Aero label and it only had 10 of the songs, but great sound quality, as in same performances but finished quality mixing and mastering. The set list was:
Brain Tap Shuffle
Come Back Baby
Don't Let Me In
Old Regime
Brooklyn
Mock Turtle Song
Soul Ram
I Can't function
Yellow Peril
Let George Do it
Do you know that one? I'd give just about anything to hear those other tracks sound so good...
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2vsN? I think it's been said here already, but my take is it's not the best Dan album (if it's even possible to compare 8 completely different albums...), but I think it holds it's own with any of them. It's a natural progression from the solo albums, and I don't get the impresson that they were trying to "blow the roof off the sucker" as much as ease back into the groove of working together. And I think it was a rousing success, *especially* (but not solely because) when you consider it was the first true Dan album in *20 years*. It was indisputable (in my mind) proof the chemistry was not only there, but fresh. But I think l trying to put out another Aja wouldn't have been realistic. After all, it took 5 years+ to work up to that one.
That said, now that they're firing on all cylinders again, I wouldn't be surprised if the next album is one of the best yet.
I'm hungry...
t
User: angel | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: On the subject of 2VN. I have stated before what my favorite cuts are. I have found that over the past 3 years, that has not changed. Almost Gothic and Jack of Speed are fantastic. From there, West of Hollywood and Negative Girl make the list. Down a bit, but still great, Shame, 2VN, and Janey Runaway. Might get the skip button (according to my mood) Cousin Dupree and Gaslighting Abbie. Not bad at all, for being a Rock and Roll type listener.
Take the more "Rock" oriented Royal Scam. Must listens, Don't Take Me Alive, Kid C, Green Earrings, Caves. Just down from that, Royal Scam, Everything You Did, Might get a skip (according to my mood), Fez, Sign In Stranger (sorry St. Al), Haitian Divorce.
Seems that they come out, at least to me, fairly even.
I still have some high hopes for EMG. :-)
Jimbo: I don't think Donald could play live, without the back up singers. They are so much a part of the original recordings.
User: lp | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: db: lauchcast radio at yahoo - go to the radio station for lucklesspedestrian64 - lots of steely dan, dexter gordon, and a weird mix of other stuff too
share your toys, a good rule...lol!
hey aja!
User: p.s. | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: life flying buy...
anybody else find this ?
db
User: db | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Typical: lp
you made me want to listen to 2AN again... but
empty case... no disc, copy 2 given to brother :(
User: p.s. | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: I think TvN is one of their best-subtle, sophisticated, but still retaining that languid, steely-bittersweetness. Anyone who doesn't think so needs to give "What a Shame About Me" a few spins-only someone with a lot of life under their belt could capture that resigned disillusion so beautifully. Becker and Fagen could never have penned this in their twenties. This album not only took 20 years to make, it took 20 years to reach this place in life.
Aja
User: Aja...............the lunatics are taking over the asylum | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: yet again. And that's just at work.
Did I read that the Allman Bros. are touring as well? Details please, if anyone knows!
If that's a real review of EMG, I'm guessing 2nd A or any other unrecorded/long lost songs aren't on it.
St. Al-love the editorial color-LOL!
Dr. Mu-left a message at your hotel-how long are you in town?
YGK-tell me again how I can get the new Core release!
Aja
User: qwerty uiop | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: I think it is easy to both knock and defend 2VN. For starters Don and Walt aren't really what they used to be, they've lived life and experienced much more than at the times of writing the other albums, I mean if we where to continue writing work from 20 years ago we'd not do so in the same style, things progress. You've also got to consider the solo albums too, we've seen a lil bit more into the seperate personalities of each and formed our own opinions and distinctions. Times change, people change, heck even our tastes change, some moments certain songs are elvated above others in our opinions....is life
You've also got to remember that Steely have had their heyday. It was always going to be slightly downhill from aja, how can you top that album?
I honestly consider it one of the best, if not the best album of all time, I think the time spent trying to perfect gaucho is a fair reflection on the composers own acknowledgements to the work previous.
I personally thought 2VN was weak by steely dan's standards....just nothing was attention grabbing, nice rhythms and cool licks here and there, was slick and crisp just lacked the edge of work gone before in my humble opinion. Take like negative girl, people here are saying that was one of the best, I thought it was rather weak and the drum track was the saving grace, but thats just my opinion and like everyone else I'm entitled to it
All that aside SD still stand out from the crowd and have one of the best back catalogs ever recorded, so we can't be too harsh, the biggest pity is that some people are no longer with us to enjoy the work.....I wonder if Jeff Porcaro would've played on some of the modern recordings, cause after all it was his protege vinnie on drums on that one....but alas different times, times moved on and things change
Take care and have fun folks
User: lp | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: almost gothic on my radio station i created on yahoo - great stuff, i'm with sneaks
yes, bill, i agree with st al - michael franks uses many of the same session people - it's almost steely dan with a different voice and more mush
tweeter in massachusetts still hasn't posted the august date...
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: In my opinion "west of hollywood", "negative girl", "jack of speed", "TVN" and "almost gothic" and "gaslighting abbey" are as good as it gets man
Clas - no message received yet
User: StAl | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: And Bill -- You say you like Michael Franks but you don't like the smooth sounds of Steely Dan?
I don't get it?
Pat
User: StAl | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: YGK: Check your corenyc.com email.
Bill: I still don't see how you can not like West Of Hollywood, Two Against Nature or Jack Of Speed? I see your point, though I disagree (big surprise there, eh?). I'd like you to name a band that was basically dormant for 10 years, only to produce a solid, cohesive and relevant album 20 years after the release of their last studio effort. Most "comeback" albums are a joke. I find 2AN to be a natural progression from Gaucho. The seeds of this "smooth jazz" sound you complain of were solidly sown by then.
No, Two Against Nature is brilliant all things considered.
StAl
User: Chris Farley | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Chris) Um.. Hi Walter!
Walter) Hi Chris!
Chris) Um... remember the time you um... the time you were on that Plush
Video thing and you said um... you said "Pete Fogel has a club called
Le Bar Bat in New York City"?
Walter) Uh, yes I do Chris.
Chris) Heh, heh...That was awesome!
Walter)Uh... yes i guess so...
Chris) And remember when you put that album out called 11 Tracks Of Whack
and it had picture of a car with a smashed windshield on the cover?
Walter) Um, yep.
Chris) Was that your car?
Walter) Uh... no Chris it wasn't.
Chris) Yeah..., and remember the cover of "Katy Lied" where you put a big
insect on the album cover?
Walter) Uh..., yes I do Chris...
Chris) Yeah uh... what the hell was that thing?
Walter) er...it was a Katydid.
Chris) A Katydid? Yeah...that was AWESOME! AWESOME! I thought it was like
a grasshopper or something...
Walter) Yes, we thought it was awesome too...but it was a katydid.
Chris) Right, a Katydid... DAMN! I'M SO STUPID! DAMN!
Walter) Take it easy Chris okay... take it easy brother...
Chris) Right, take it easy...damn a katydid... OF COURSE! OF COURSE!
Well thanks for the interview Walter, it's been truly AWESOME!
Walter) Anytime Chris, let's see now...the exit was this way right?
User: The Marlboro Man | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Walter is an exceptional guitar owner.
(Okay, Okay! Just kidding! Just kidding dammit!)
User: Howard | Month: 3 | Day: 15
Message: Bill - apology accepted.
I'm starting to tire of the debate anyhow. Maybe we should have the next one on Walter Becker's guitar style, or the pros and cons of the SD drum style?
Why don't you give 2VN another couple of spins in the lead-up to the next SD album? Who knows, it might hit you stronger than it did before. For me, it's stood up well to repeated listens (well, SD pretty much demands repeated listens) - it's already well established as a classic. Jack of Speed, Gaslighting Abbie, Negative Girl - these are fine, fine songs.
Howard
User: dietrologia | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: *****POTENTIAL SHOW SPOILERS*****
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"Cubano Chant" (I didn't even know the name of it until now) is pretty straight-ahead jazz piece that wouldn't be out of place in a jazz bar or jazz club. Strictly instrumental. The members of the band show off their jazz chops. Fagan and Becker arent' even on stage until the song winds down. Then they kick it into "Aja". The same thing with "The Steely Dan Show" tune -- Fagan and Becker are offstage during it.
I thought it was a great show with some great sound (this is at Paso Robles and I was in front of the sound board). You haven't lived until you've seen a show with the smell of cow manure wafting thru the air! ;) (the livestock pens were nearby -- it's a fair afterall). But it was a real cool show. I'm glad I finally got to see Steely Dan after being a fan for so long.
I came away realizing their is only one Larry Carlton though after hearing the second guitarist attempt Carlton's solos. He did a passable job though. That guitar solo from "Kid Charlemagne" is a thing of beauty that only Larry Carlton can do justice to.
I give the show an A. Catch it if you can!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: I mean Cubano
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: So who can tell us about Cunbano Chant?
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: nice setlist variety
you know with this core band doiing the album via almost live tracking seems like they could vary up any numbers from EMG spontaneously night to night (and Tom Barney's a quick understudy)
I like where Aja is in the setlist - very thoughtful
place it in the middle and the more mindless or casual dan 'fan' will opt for the beer and bathroom break
place it at the start and all eyes and ears are taunt, anticipation,
slow delivery, build up, overwelmed
wanting more
very smart
so how is Carlock's work on AJA
his own stamp or "Oh my GADD!"
wt
User: this was posted on the blue book | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: SPOILER*SPOILER*SPOILER*SPOILER*SPOILER*SPOILER*SPOILER*
TonightĘs show at Paso Robles was a huge step up from the opener on Wednesday night in Costa Mesa. The night was perfect, the neighbors were listening instead of bitching and the band was hot. The set list was varied slightly for Night II and is as follows:
Set I
Cubano Chant (with Herington, Baker and the hornsąAn excellent intro piece)
Aja
Time Out Of Mind
Godwhacker (Maybe the strongest sound of the night)
Caves of Altamira
Blues Beach (set list change from The Last Mall on Wednesday night)
Do It Again
Slang of Ages (and band intros)
Peg
Home At Last (set list addition)
Set II
The Steely Dan Show
Janie Runaway/Hey 19
Haitian Divorce (WB sings!)
Things I Miss The Most (surprisingly, this works very well live)
ParkerĘs Band (with the girls handling the vocalsąWell done!)
Josie (with a Carlock solo that had him quite close to spontaneous combustion)
Kid Charlemagne (Herington just rips on this, as usual)
DonĘt Take Me Alive
Encores (No Dr. Wu!)
My Old School
FM
DF was in strong voice and great spirits. At the end of Do It Again (?), he stood up, pointed to this very odd-looking ride off in the distance called The Ejector Seat (it is a state fair, after all) and yelled ōWhat IS that thing?!ö Towards the end of the show, when calling for applause for the various band members, DF also said ōAnd letĘs hear it for the Ferris Wheel!ö and then ōAnd please give it up for THAT thing!ö (The Ejector Seat, once again.) The band was extremely tight and those of you going to a show in the future have much to look forward to, especially at some of the nicer venues. This one was better suited to tractor pulls, but the sound quality was acceptable. Still really hoping to hear Everything Must Go, perhaps down the road a show or two? Anyway, another great night to be a Dan FanąSOH
User: countermoon | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: will some lucky concert goer from last night please post the set list- thank you
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: An email was sent from the computer I normally use that I *didn't* send. This email somehow sent itself. I suspect a hacker. This email wasn't even sent from my email address.
The contents of this note were just stream of conscienceness thoughts and therefore subject to misinterpretation. As anyone who has seen this note may observe it was unfinished, a new paragraph started and clearly not finished.
While I'm here I might as well say a few other things as well.
Use your logic people while we may like to think that both D&W read the GB we may logically deduce that one does definitely. While it is a possibility that the other may.
And DACW would you please quote your source on that Bill Clinton quote? Because I clearly remember him saying something quite the opposite before the war.
User: jjeff | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: St. Al: You should've posted twice. That would 've been a gas. Can you stick another one in now? Then take this one out by all means.
Duncan: How's Linda? When's the due date?
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 25
Message: Steve
is the carlocked !!!!
fantastic
User: wonderwaif | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Just got back from the Paso Robles concert. Rocked my socks! I must disagree. I thought the merch was great. Loved the shirts. I have not much to say in general but if someone that went to the concert would like to talk about it, email me, please, i'd love to chat.
ww
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Stevie Dan - are going to participate this time, on the 4th Guestbook CD, with your band? That would be great if you did. My address, snail, you'll find at;
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
User: Saint Al | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Which one?
User: steviedan ha always wondered.... | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: how could someone possibly double-post ???
i just found out how.
sorry st al. could you kill one of those ?
User: steviedan has always wondered... | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: how someone could possibly double-post ???
i just found out.
sorry st al. can you kill one of those ?
User: steviedan poseth not the question | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: "is there gas in the car ?"
but rather
"is the carlocked ?"
i believe that according to rajah and batl apl,
it is indeed.
loving color from ed, davebridges, royal(nice concise), et al...
jjeff, actually despite their red neckedness they manage this pretentious sophistication, otherwise we couldn't even pull off the gig. we're no square dance outfit (even though a unscrupulous agent booked us once in another state as a "popular country-western COMBO" !). we did, however, give 'em one hank sr. and one hank jr. we call that "hank and hank". aka "hank-y hank". we know they want the skynyrd. but we give them a sd or bob marley and gosh darnnit, they can fall down to that just as well !
User: steviedan poseth not the question | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: "is there gas in the car ?"
but rather
"is the carlocked ?"
i believe that according to rajah and batl apl,
it is indeed.
loving color from ed, davebridges, royal(nice concise), et al...
jjeff, actually despite their red neckedness they manage this pretentious sophistication, otherwise we couldn't even pull off the gig. we're no square dance outfit (even though a unscrupulous agent booked us once in another state as a "popular country-western COMBO" !). we did, however, give 'em one hank sr. and one hank jr. we call that "hank and hank". aka "hank-y hank". we know they want the skynyrd. but we give them a sd or bob marley and gosh darnnit, they can fall down to that just as well !
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: DACW - Like Porcaro in the sense that Carlock has his own strong sense of style which, apparently, D&W esteem enough to employ, and he just almost darn-well takes over every tune live; his stamp is unique.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Rajah,
Great reports...Carlock = Porcaro!?...don't tease me man!!
Jimbo,
I think it's Tom Petty in drag...think about it. Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time?
Hey, just as I predicted Bill Clinton said the WMD were there...and he would have followed a similar course...
French culture?...since Madonna defiled Lourdes...it's Yoplait and EuroDisney now...
Rough week here...after W left, the state legislature went on a spending spree (not on education natch) and we're paying for it now. It's amazing no one can find those pork projects for elimination once enactment...hope I have enought money for The Steely Dan Show...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: You know what, my esteemed Oleander, Dean Parks sounded like he just plugged in an AUX of Herrington's and layed back in the cut on FM, much like Denny Dias @Universal, 6/00; the old guys are brought on for sentimental reasons, not for to rippin' da riffs they done did.
User: oleander | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: DEAN PARKS on FM!! Oh my goodness.
Some of us were up til the wee hours getting the feed on the setlist--not quite like being there, but I could almost feel it.... Thanx to the faithful reporters and the intrepid colorists for your reports....
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Thank you very much for the concert colour: Ed, Soul Monkey, Royal Rules, Rajah of Erase, Batl Apl, Dave Bridges, David Hankey, OC Mark.
Babe Choir doing Parker's Band and Walter on Haitian Divorce? Wowowow!
And all the praise on Carlock too.
Can't wait.
Aus
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Donald WAS very funny and charming with da banter, you know, goofy and nerdy but devilish. He said about Carlock, "one of the rising stars of his instrument. (turning to the band) Other members of the band can purchase that 'rising star' comment for for future shows at $20.00 a pop." Cheeky bugger. Of the intro to set two, "that little ditty we penned as a tribute to ourselves...and we can pen you one...send $0.25 to Walter Becker..." Loved it, yeah, well maybe he was TOO relaxed. Then he praised the Costa Mesa crowd. "We'll be coming back to costa Mesa" Oh great, now SD think THAT was good venue. The freakin state fair with pigs and alpacas and cotton bleedin candy -fried Twinkies- I s**t you not. We were mostly LA people from all over the world, I met Germans, Brits and Japanese folks, c'mon, face it aging funsters, and we won't put up with decibel level monitors or adolescent curfews. Not here at the close of the coolest part of the summer.
User: jjeff | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Great stuff from Raj., Batl Apl,RR. I got that giddy teenage groupie feelin'. I could imagine it all except Walter doing vocals on Haitian Divorce. Not that I'm turned off by it. That's the great thing about LIVE. You get to hear a familiar piece done in an unfamiliar way sorta like listening to it on your head through a mirror-for-ears.
W1P: I read the review on FFOP and it's a fair review. I agree with his take on Breathe. Without looking at the liner notes it takes a while to figure out which song it is.
Ages ago I noticed Aja and others talking about Wiliam Gibson's character Rei Toei, a learning artificial intelligence, which kicked my ass into going back to read Idoru before getting into it's sequel All Tomorrows Parties which I'm halfway through. There's a couple of characters called Klaus and the Rooster which he's said he lifted off of Here at the Western World. Great description of the Rooster:an only vaguely human figure, the space where it's head should have been was coronaed in a cyclical and on-going explosion of blood and matter, as though a sniper's victim, in the instant of impact, had been recorded and looped. the halo of blood and brains flickered, never quite attaining a steady state. Beneath it, an open mouth, white teeth exposed in a permanent silent scream.
Is that how SD affects some people? :-)
Steviedan: Sounds like real hoe-down hillbilly party you were at. Something like my niece's wedding last Sat. Outdoors, lawn for dance floor and the only ones dancing were our side of the family.
Enjoy the tour, people.I wish I could. It may not happen again.
User: Dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: So far, so good everybody. Am I right in thinking that the chatrooms are lighting up during shows ? Methinks a few late nights are on the cards, with some of the fine colombian of course.
...And all this is just after one night of the tour
gonna be a good few weeks, make that months ! :)
dbeefy (with apologies to duncan, also in the uk I believe, since I also sometimes sign myself db. I'll make it dbe to avoid confusion)
Beers: am definitely looking into the possibility of the Dan Collective on Aug 8, although it's a few days before I have best man duties, will have to do some fast thinking
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User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: I believe I just printed the phrase " ... so much great that that ...". This particular grammatical structure should give you some idea of the degree of intelligence with which you are dealing here. Please disregard that, and all my other posts since 1997. (Isn't that the year Skylab fell on some of our heads and rendered us hypocerebral?)
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Rajah~ Thanks for the set list. Live versions of "Time Out of Mind" and Parker's Band" !! Great idea. I approve.
The thing that struck me hardest about the list is that there's nothing from "Countdown to Ecstacy", my favorite album ever, by anybody. But I feel confident that the truncation of the program by the venue Gestapo was the reason for "My Old School" not being their encore, as it was in 2000 and now and ever should be (world without end, amen, amen). Last time around, they opened and closed with CTE selections. Steely Dan without MOS, Bodhissatva, or King of the World? Am I the only one left on the Rio Grande?-- Oh to be an artist with so much great that that people are appaled by their omissions.
I'm guessing that the dumbed-down 93 version of Reelin' is a temporary fill until they get their chops and confidence sharpened. RITY is too great a song to be lazily nursery-rhymed, [that's what nostalgia acts do.] It deserves a snarling vocal and ambitious instrumental work. But what do I know? I'm the one person that didn't care for Neil Sedaka's Music 101 lounge version of "Breakin' Up Is Hard to Do".
I hope they rekindle "Jack of Speed" also. It was one of the highlights of the 2K show I saw. Especially when the roadies did a chorus line type shuffle dance off stage (Did that happen anywhere else but Virginia Beach?)
Now get back to the tour, you lucky bastards,
RS
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Thanx, Raj.........
I want one saying.......
"DAMN - she skipped Dimensions........"
ygk
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Tee shirts sucked. They looked like Walter's earth-tone duds. Cute little thing for the missus, though, shows off the assets quite well. Best tee shirt is still AJA which is on sale. There's TIMTM laundry list T, you know, Audi TT, House on the Vineyard, Eames chair, copper pans. They could make mint if they had someone with a truly good sense of humor designing.
User: Dave Bridges | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Saw the show last night in Costa Mesa, I've seen 4 SD shows in the past, and this show was the best so far - the band was really tight. My faves from the show:
- Time out of Mind ...Excellent!!
- Don't Take Me Alive ...Harrington ROCKED, and it was *Loud*
- Parker's Band ...Just the girls sang, and boy were they good
Walt sang Haitian Divorce and it was ...different.
Cheers!
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Anybody Left Coast: What were the T-Shirts like?
ygk
User: db | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: sniff sniff
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: OK now I'm feeling guilty for knocking Donald. So let's put this in perspective. Singing in front of twelve crack players, brave and true, is daunting to say the least. It's like climbing up on a big rig monster truck and rolling, you have to ride and drive that puppy, show it whose boss and stay ahead of everything. D & W have alluded to this: singing is so much harder than playing in the sense that,look, you bang a drum, you blow a horn, strum a guitar: you can predict what's gonna come out. But the human voice is a thing entirely apart, there are no frets or stops - no festive icons to lead the way. It takes incredible discipline and a big set of stones to wail in front of an engine like that. I know the guys who sing in the tribute bands out here, i.e., Dr. Wu and Pretzel Logic and I can tell you those guys sweat bullets prior to and during the show. It's exhausting and mentally taxing and there's nowhere to hide -- you're out there baby, it's all on you. And the serpentine lyrics, mamaloosha, Donald wrote the damn words and he flubbed about 3 or 4 times last night. And he looked a little heavy and out of shape, ok, the guy is like 200 years old. I'll bet you he's gonna come back big time tonight in Paso Robles. The old soldier just needs to get into game shape. OK, I still feel guilty but there it is, just my opinion. Peace.
User: batl apl | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Great posting, Rajah. Some other things I observed at last night's show were:
1) The 50ish audience did an en masse double-take singing the "...but I'm just growing old" line in "Hey Nineteen".
2) Donald wore two-toned shoes.
3) Nobody booed Walter. Those who caught the show here a few years ago remember the less-than-warm ovation after the "11 tracks of Whack" set
4) Walter sang an SD standard that was a very pleasant surprise. So I'm not saying which tune it was.
5) The stage crew started unplugging everything immediately after the last number. If this is in response to nearby residents, perhaps it's time we killed a few Orange County Republicans and let normal people live there.
6) Keith is even better than John Bonham. The solo in Josie got the whole crowd off its ass. Be prepared to be blown away!
7) The T-shirts look great.
8) Enough. Enjoy the show all you lucky enough to attend in Paso Robles and beyond.
User: cara mia | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Great review and setlist, Raj, and thanks!
Have fun, everyone, and see you at some venues... definitely Atlanta and perhaps Los Angeles.
cara mia Marsha
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: It's been a long one, but
HAS THIS BEEN A GREAT DAY OR WHAT ?
db
User: wormtom | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: rajah - love your posts - those subtle dropped in dan lyric couplets
yes 2vN was tentative early on - compare PLush with the shows later in the tour - no contesto
glad to here Carlock is given free reign
Neggy - how are things??
LP - sent off ticket at lunch - should see by monday, possibly sunday
will send note from home with tracking number, enjoy
so where is blaise these days?
t
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: E - the difference between this tour and 2VN, I think, is confidence. They know they're back, all the way back. It's a looser feel than the Y2K. Walt is NOT boring to watch, like I said, he kinda takes over, he does lots of leads, all impeccably, his vocal stylings, such as they are, were solid and confident. This in sharp contrast to DF who looked a little, well, distracted or something.
The girls looked great, Carolyn flashing spectacular midriff, she moves fluidly, that snaky booty shake. Cynthia was interacting well with the crowd, she looked like she belonged this time; and the new voice, Ms. Cindi, was a powerhouse. But because the DF was a little underjuiced, the girls did not shine like they will.
Hey I'm not knocking Donald, it's just very difficult those first few nights back to get a feel for the new band, the new material, the new dynamic. He's groping in the dark. But that freak Carlock saved everyone's bacon by just coming on gangbusters, you can tell he plays a lot. He's got the mood and the moves. He's allowed to go places live that you wouldn't have guessed they would let him. The horn players to a man just stood at attention to watch the guy rumble. Mad mad props to KC.
User: almost gothic negative girl | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Thanks for the review, Raj~Erase. I'm packin' the car and leaving Monterey for Paso Robles in a couple of hours. Can't wait to see these guys again. Looking forward to my first live look/listen of Keith Carlock, too. Got Tahoe tickets for Sunday, and Concord in October. Life is most definitely good. Everybody enjoy!
User: luckless pedestrian | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: that setlist looks pretty awesome to me, thanks for posting it -
especially since they will be saying "luckless pedestrian" at some point - that is not to be missed!
User: oregoncoastmike | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Hi Walt & Don and the awesome Band,(we know you read this board-busted)
please add more songs from EMG for the tour. please add Pixaleen-Lunch With Gina-Greenbook-Everything Must Go.
thank you for playing godwacker - things i miss - slang
thank you for playing the other "new" tour songs from past albums.
walt if you need a surf report on where to go when you get to oregon let me know.
have a shredding day, oregon coast mike
User: One Word: | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: CAVES!
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Rajah,
I'm jealous man. But thanks for the review. Even though it just makes me more jealous.
Tell me something, was there anything that made this show really different from the 2vN tour?
Just so I know what exactly I'm missing.
And something else, was Walt still boring to watch?
Is he still wearing flanel, jeans and sneakers, and is he still moving as if he's waiting in line at the post office?
And something else, please please tell me this is so.
Did Donald look like Ray Charles even more than last time?
How often did he jerk his body over, while playing a chord?
How often did he say 'sllll', while drawing a breath???
User: wormjah of elated | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: rahjah - thanks for the tour updates
sounds like a little cowtowing the old favs (PEg, Reeling, Do it Again)
but wow - Caves, Time Out Of, Aja, Things I MIss,Don't take me alive and Haitian by walt
well they need to work in Green Book - 2nd encore? Deacon Blues and Babylon Sisters
sounds great
thanks rahjah
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: No tales, Carlock is the 2nd coming of a Dixie Porcaro. The slap and groove, the ker-splatt and thwaa-ackk! Man, the time he keeps, what a gift. He's waayy past fill.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 24
Message: Without giving away anything, day wuz great to-knickt in Costa Mesa; they'll get even better...slang-it-all freakin LAME-ASS Walt has finally taken control of SD. Don is in such a great renaissaince groove, that, and it's going to take him 10 performances, realisticaly, to just, please everyone, just roll with da hohmies...k-roq-on-wood, for hisselff to KICK IN just prior to the two Universal shows at the end of the tour, 10/2/03. We will see a radically different end to this "Leg" than we have heretofore.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: A new star entered the firmament of drum-lore tonight at Pacific Amphitheare in Costa Mesa, California: Keith Carlock. Mark it in your calendars loyal Dan folk, he da shit and everybody smelt it. More on him later.
Here we go:
1) some jazz classic no doubt that only the real afficianados will know; sounded like Ellington to me. No D & W, just the band.
2) on our boys come and BANG --- AJA
3) Time Out of Mind (I was out of my head by now)
4) Godwhacker DF messed up some lyrics: rip & chop & slice became rip & slice & chop
5) Caves of Altamira
6) The Last Mall DF wails on "roll your cart..."
7) Do It Again - could have sworn there were hints of Rikki in the intro
8) Slang of Ages yes, Walt did it beautifully with the girls, then the band intros all behind slices and snatches of Wilson Pickett's "Midnight Hour"
9) PEG - the interplay between Barney and Carlock was spot-on, they really communicate with each other especially when Carlock goes to the bell on the ride symbol and Barney does that "Sanford & Son" pluck and snap--yeow
10) Reeling in the Years Donald doing a "recitative" quick-time reading, the girls were a little flat --it's basically the 1993 Alive version
Interval
11) The Steely Dan Show that little snippet of a tribute to their own selves concocted on the European leg of Y2K
12) Janie Runaway by now DF was loosened up, great rendition and together with the next song comprised the "Jailbait Medley" as Donald chortled
13) Hey 19 - nice stripped down version where he never sings, "hey 19" - the audience did it for him
14) wait for it........HAITIAN DIVORCE BY WALTER! F**kin great, he pulled it off wow tremendous effects by Herrington and together with the next tune comprised the "Divorce Medley"
15) Things I Miss The Most Donald's all over this one, the lyric really is cunning and fun.
16) The girls render PARKER'S BAND great groove and they sway soo good.
17) A JOSIE that BELONGED to Carlock. His two solos brought the crowd to their FEET, he's hitting rim shots and double clanging the cymbols throughout a blistering solo wherein he changes time so seemlessly when he goes into overdrive.
18) Kid Charlemagne
19) Don't Take Me Alive
and
20) FM with special guest Dean Parks from L.A.
Then the damn house lights came on and get this and shame on the venue--NO ENCORES NONE NADA ZIP. This venue has been shut down for 8 years during which the good uptight fat cat and the too super sensitive to boogie-oogie-oogie Cost Mesa folks sued to clam up the noise. So now, as the Sheriff's guys told me, the place gets unplugged at 10:15! SD started bang on at 8PM and the interval was barely 20 minutes long.
So the band was great, Donald and the girls were a tad tight and tentative, still they gave great performances. Walter, Keith, Jon and the horns never missed, Barney is the bottom for this band no doubt, Baker was understated, and Donald seemed not quite ready for the race but did catch up.
More later my stalwarts, for now, to bed, but I doubt I can get to sleep yet. Oh, the Danfest was about 24 people strong. Pete Fogel was in attendance, thanks to my concert bud, SteeveDan.
User: C @ W | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Hutch - never misses a chance?
Though I am not hanging around the chat rooms at nights, you wouldn't know how much I am holding back, would you?
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Wormy - are you recording directly down to the hard disk? If you do, make sure you have a pretty "heavy" computer, I'm thinking of Mhz and internal memory and stuff.
And having gifted friends sitting in, that's a good thing.
I am looking forward to get your stuff
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R Erase - World Culture - that's what I said, wasn't it?
And for your comment on the French Culture - plain stupidity.
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Minah - hmmm, 3 hours north. I hope Kanga is doing fine.
Are you still playing? What about submitting a tune to the Guestbook CD?
Click the URL above.
User: Royal Rules | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Walter sang Haitian and Slang. They did Caves. They did that goddam sappy Reein AGAIN. They did that lame Hey Nineteen vamp. They had lots of energy. Donald looked like Doogie Howser meets Al Ginsberg. Guesting Dean Parks on FM a highlight. Kid C an overall highlight, as was Don't Take Me Alive. Those last three served as the encore. Doggone Josie drum solo AGAIN... lots of retreading generally. Do It Again and Peg were fine... BUT.... GODWHACKER!! Was damn good. Oh and Time Out of Mind finally made it. I was glad. Started out with Aja which was very good, better than the one here fer sure ;-) Last Mall, Janie Runaway were snoozers. Things I Miss was actually better than the CD. Parker's Band a treat. Venue sucked. Sound way too loud. They were handing out earplugs. Ironic given the years of litigation. Pot, booze and cigs everywhere.
User: SoulMonkey | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: AJA
TIME OUT OF MIND
GODWHACKER
CAVES
PEG
REELIN'
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: those tour reports should be coming in in about 4 1/2 hours
may 2003 reign - and a live album and dvd to follow
Everything Must Go
Everthing Must Be Documented
those giving tour reports
also what type of shirts etc on sale???
wt
User: me again | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Bill - Is there an echo in here?
Anyway, I second your emotion.
H.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Rajah - Our friend Clas never misses a chance to stick it to Americans. This has been going on for years and it's really gotten pretty old and tired by now. That's why most of us just ignore it. He calls us gringos and cowboys and I guess it gives him a feeling of satisfaction. Hell, I don't know. I don't waste any time thinking about it.
Let's raise our glasses to the great Steely Dan Orchestra 2003 as they kick off their tour. Here's wishing them safe travelling and groovacious nights on stage.
A toast to Donald Fagen and Walter Becker... two of the finest songwriters this country has ever produced!
Hutch
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Let's get this tour rollin!!!
Aus,
Orchestra Section A, Row B
I'm really looking forward to a spendid night at Jones Beach.
The hard part will be reading the reviews of all the prior shows while
waiting for our turn.
Congrats to all you Costa Mesa show ticket holders you'll be hearing
"Godwhacker" live for the first time in just a short while!!!
Man would I like to be you right now...
RAISE UP YOUR GLASS FOR THE STEELY DAN SUMMER 03' TOUR!
RING OUT THE PAST, THIER NAMES LIVE ON AND ON!
ROLL OUT THE BONES AND RAISE UP YOUR PITCHER
RAISE UP YOUR GLASS FOR WALTER AND DON!
Best wishes to all SD fans.
Enjoy!
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: The woman with the handbag is actually Mimi from The Drew Carey Show.
User: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?img_5425.jpg | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Our ahm egoh squeezes off plenty jism rounds,
And that's when she sumps the goo pile.
And as it clings to the roof of her gaping maw,
The double A down to O-County Fair.
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: jaydubz thanks for the pc recording tips (I'll see if they have this through Musicians Friend or Guitar Center enjoy the show and can't wait to hear the update
peg - by all means cruise by the show after the recital, you might catch a few numbers - you never know
Tom of wormdom
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Hey Peg - I once had to blow off the Talking Heads to take my daughter to a Cabbage Patch Kids stage show...I don't think I've ever forgiven her. Nonsense, you're doing the right thing. Small consolation, but we'll think of you during your namesake number.
User: Peg | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: I guess at least one group from San Diego is already headed up the 5 to Costa Mesa by now, but I'm not with them. I'm taking my daughter to Costa Mesa, too, to see American Ballet Theatre at the Orange County Performing Arts Center. It's going to be a great show (including 'Within You, Without You: A Tribute to George Harrison). We'll be a mere 3.01 miles away from the fair grounds. This hurts a little. Well, maybe more than a little.
User: Jaydubz | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Wormy ~ Yup, Zappa's/Tom Mix's "Log Cabin" home (currently just the foundation, man-made streams, tunnels & empty pool - all that remain after the 1981 fire there) can be seen in "Laurel Canyon" - it's at the base of Lookout Mountain & Laurel Canyon, across the road from the old Houdini estate. They say that there were underground tunnels connecting the two houses. Here are some pics of the "Log Cabin" property:
http://users.cableaz.com/~lantz/pm2001.html
http://www.canyongossip.com/artman/publish/Little_Laurel_Canyon_House_.shtml
and the Houdini property (in its current incarnation):
http://www.laurelcanyon.net
As for affordable DAW software - check out Steinberg Cubasis VST - great entry-level software for under $100.00, available on both platforms...
Off to Paso Robles!
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Beers, I'm going to have to look into this, and might well be up for a trip up the M1..
dbeefy
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: can't wait for tonight's setlist
and I sure hope they vary it a lot
would like to buy soundboard with crowd noise bootlegs like Gabriel did on his tour but I'm dreaming
opener - West Of Hollywood would throw it open nicely
then again Midnight Cruiser is a nice touch
lp - I'll get my mail this evening, sounds like I'm sending you some tickets,will FEDEX or USPS, thanks and I know you'll appreciate these... can't wait to hear your golden circle full report , wish I was still in on NH but a Dan fix and 2 weeks with my friend in NEw Mexico and adjoining states after my work stuff blows over is nice compensation
angel is off up the coast - should hear something by 6 am tommorrow as she always checks in early on the left coast
clas - I'm a hack musician at best but a decent composer,
where the two meet, oh well
may get my gifted friends to sit in on a piece I have laying around
still no answer on suggestions for computer based studio recording software
I have mics and can plug Kurzweil in midi
can't afford a Boss digital plug and play unit right now
wormy
User: z | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Clas- At least you had the guts to try, but stick to pop music.
Howard- Nope, but good guesses.
DF may have said this was his favorite LP in the liner notes he wrote to a jazz LP which I mentioned here and as usual, everyone ignored. I'm not sure, I'll check it out when I get home.
Last Hint: The sequential idea DF plays is at the END of the "Godwhacker" solo.
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Whee! The BIG SHOE starts today, if that's what Ed Sullivan would call it.
I still need info though for the Roseland Ballroom concert tickets and when they go on sale. Let me know.
Just rented a Dvd of the fourth season of Sex and the City. Including the episode in which the photo assistant, "Tiger" mentions that he could put on Steely Dan to make Kim Cattrall feel more comfy when taking off her clothes. She refuses (unfortunately) but drops her robe, nevertheless. 40 somethings are sexy ;)
Does Ann Coulter look like a prostitute dressed to be a right winger or is she a right winger dressed to be a prostitute?
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: I just had a very nice conversation with the house manager at Pacific Amphitheatre and he told me there will be no plug pulling at 10 PM tonight. He said that a little overtime is going to be afforded the artists. Whew, that's relief. He did tell me that the reason it has been closed for eight years is due strictly to litigation with the well-heeled folks in the neighborhood. It was all about the noise.
User: Beers | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Dbeefy; Friday Aug 8th The Jailhouse Coventry (a mere hop up the M1) The Dan collective ... seek solace with us ... Fancy it ?
www.thedancollective.co.uk
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: C: I take umbrage to your comments on "crap from the USA"; I try to respect everyone's opinions on art and politics but I won't take that. Keep it to yourself is my message. As far as polluting French culture, I don't really think that's possible, do you? And like it or not, American culture, such as it is, is world culture. It's just a fact.
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: wormy - i'm IN! check your email at msn for addy
psyched as can be!
rain with thunder and lightening up here - overflow prolem so don't drink the water (at least not until i throw some prozac in there, right jim#?)
LOL!
got a SONY alarm clock so now we awake to the things i miss the most - i keep oversleeping though becasue the tunes just enter my dream state - maybe need some ac/dc or some southern rock stuff so i'll wake up quick to turn it the hell off
thought for today anyway...
so, we lose a soldier a day now since the war was over - uh, okay - outraged military families abounding that usually vote republican - woops, watch those numbers for 04!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Loyal people of Dan, welcome to your 2003 Tour (what are they calling this one?). The wait is over, the stage at the Pacific Amphitheatre has been prepared overnight as I am informed by the venue's concierge and all is in readiness. There is one problem, however. If you read Tom's paragraph, a very disturbing scenario looms for this evening's performance. The Pacific Amphitheatre has a ten o'clock curfew. The venue's been closed for eight years due to various problems, not the least of which was the various litigations commenced by the good people of Costa Mesa, California due to noise and traffic problems. You must know something about the folks down there: they're white people with bags of cash, right wing neoconservatives. The show starts at 8 PM. Correct me if I'm wrong but a whole SD show lasts about 2 and one-half to 2 and three-quarter hours lately, with a 20 to 30 minute intermission. Stay tuned, there could be a riot when the amps get unplugged during "My Old School". This could get ugly.
User: mW | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Clas: Perhaps a Ronald Regan mask for the border, just say you got lost looking for Nancy? Sorry we won't see you...
Have not seen K(M) in a long while - she moved 3 hrs north and has been very quiet...
-minah
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: re: this danless summer in the uk. I'm as green with envy as all the other non-US people on the books...
Idea : Tribute bands in the UK, schedule in a few extra gigs (?!)
and/or : organise some Danfests /wing dings / smokers / countdowns to ecstasy? Now I know someone is going to say "ok db, you do one... so is anyone in London interested in sharing organisational duties?" or whatever ?
Otherwise, am looking forward to gig reports, set lists etc, etc
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Hutch - good.
Emmanuel - you're right about that, sometimes I feel like Sweden is just another United State of America. We're so used to it, we don't understand how deep this culture imperialism has gone. If I watch TV at nights, about 80 percent of the bullshit origins from USA. And the movies... I think France has done a good thing to keep their own culture, they just don't allow too much crap from USA to pollute their society.
And about the CD, submit whatever, it's your choice.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Clas - Not recording just yet. Writing.
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message:
z - I'm certainly not a jazz expert, just a jazz enthusiast.
Sonny Rollins is a name that Donald has often mentioned as a favourite of his. Could be one of his - "The Bridge"?
Else Miles or Mingus are reasonable guesses. Less likely but possible: Horace Silver or Coltrane.
Don't think it's Monk.
Howard
User: Emmanuel turning purple | Month: 6 | Day: 23
Message: Yeah folks enjoy yourself. I'll wait til next year, see if they might play Europe as an afterthought. See if they book the same venue they did last two times out, the ones with the excruciation sound systems. Or they might just skip us altogether again...
Clas, I've been pondering whether to send it to you as is, or if I should put my latest piece of sacriledge on it (it still needs some work)... So, would you care for a Blues Beach remix or not? :)
OK, DACW, I'll admit it. You're right. ...Wing!
Anyway, I'm tired of flooding the Dan Board with my world views, I'm gonna try a different take.
It's now the third time you mentioned this Kobe Bryant. I started wondering, who is this guy, so I had to look him up.
Los Angeles Lakers... right... {stifles yawn}
Adultery... {represses urge to press 'Close'... forces himself to read on...}
Man it's just R. Kelly all over again...
How exactly does this relate to world peace in three different ways?
Please understand, national American news is really not how you want to back up your argument. Over here in Western Europe we have been force-fed US trivia for far too long: O.J. was live, here, as well, as was the Clinton trial, and with the 2000 US presidential elections we had marathon TV coverage. While I have yet to see one reporter explain how the elections in Belgium, my neigbouring country, came about.
The whole point I'm trying to make is that we should try to see more sides of the story. And for that, a wider world view is required. We can't keep dabbling in the US celebrity pool forever. Why don't I see movies from Bollywood? Can't be all bad. And why am I supposed to know about the NBA, but not about the German League? Bah. It's all just
'Showbiz kids, making movies of themselves, you know they...'
User: Beerberian turning green | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Yeah have a great gig all ... I'm so f****** jealous !!!!! I may just go and sob in the corner now
User: (unfortunately eastcoast) steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: because if i were a WESTCOAST steviedan, i'd be toolin' it to orange county ! godspeed, you lucky bastards !
duncan "hinds(ight)" was 20/20 from the bandstand. yeah, i was being smartly paid to observe the debaucle...
nyb, either that or a hot japanese drummer !
hypo fiend... er hypothetical friend, rather... hobex is one of raleigh nc's great white(boy) hope funk bands (another one of note was dag). they are pretty good, but any comparisons to sd would be premature to say the least. a decent whiteboy funk band. which album ? they had a major label deal at one time...
wormy, yeah shadows and light in on the list. tonight it lost out to a steve morse highlights dvd and an orleans live retrospective cd. it'll make the next cut, i'm sure. awesome band and awesome joni...
last night i was listening to an ambrosia anthology. both royce jones and bruce hornsby were on a cut or two. some of it was brilliant and some of it was styx...
User: Duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Have a wonderful time everyone.
NO REALLY have a wing ding.
I would like a XL polo shirt if they are available, failing that lot's of colour here will suffice.
I'll be thinking of you all as the days roll bye.
I've told LB that if the baby comes early we're going to call it the venue name for that day ...LOL
take care & lots of pictures.
db
User: Clas & Work | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Minah - no, I'm afraid they won't allow me to pass the border. But I'll try Rio Grande - if I make it I'll be wearing a poncho and a sombrero.
And Kanga, where's SHE, have you heard from her lately?
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Wormy - Oct 9 - that's the deadline. Are you joining? Pardon my ignorance, I didn't know you were a player! You're very welcome, here's the URL:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
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z - Miles' "Kind of Blue"? "Miles Ahead"?? Herp Albert's "Tijuana Go Go"???
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Emmanuel - have you sent your song(s)?
User: minah not Maj¬ | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Maj¬: Opening tune?: TAG is a nice guess...Best tune on the new one with a nice groove for the boys to saunter out to is Slang of Ages (IMNSHO). But would they open with Walt-dog singing? A large-testicled move that I'd like to see...that said, another great opener? "With a Gun" just for the opening line. Again, probably unlikely...and a moderate-testicled rating...I'll just go with a reworked version of "Any Major Dude"...
Mr. Kipp: Thanks for the update, nice to see you active again, sorry I'll miss you down south, you going to Paso?
Is anyone here going to Paso? Clas?
Kanga?
Heading for the beach-mW
User: DanAudioCrackWhore | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Emmanuel: They're in there...I mean I could have listed the NY Times, CBS...OK I did!! for balance, but they don't tell the truth..the telegraph.uk., CNN, yes those are disreputable ;-) Those 5 URLs you cherry pickedout of 70 are correct anyway, they're just not on your "side"...and Israel should know something about terrorism anyway...Y'know in the Kobe Bryant trial, I don't think the victim should be allowed to testify!!!!! She couldn't possibly know the truth!!!
It's not handy, it's correct, as well as the etymology for Philistine...I just happened to keep it handy in my frontal lobe...
You see the key Emmanuel is MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT SOURCES!!! (which I have in spades)...The Peer Review Method...In science, not everyone believes the same hypothesis...initially ...but with peer review and muliptle experiments, the truth is slowly revealed, or at least encircled...and then the next questions are asked...
There's in time only one answer - hunker down and read the Post!!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07222003/gossip/38046.htm
I think we can agree that each has a different viewpoint...but deep, deep, deep in your heart you know I'm right ;-)
...line 'em up, line 'em all up...
User: Mr.sticks | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Greetings to all!
Please note that this is THE week for for all of you Steely Dan fans AND SFB fans!
THIS Wednesday night..STEELY DAN performs at the Orange County fair at 7pm in the Pacific Amp.We'll be at the show and prior to their performance..please feel free to join members of the Steely Fan Band along with many Steely fans from all over at the official Pre-Concert Dan-Fest. Festivities begin at 4pm in the BAJA BLUES CANTINA located inside the fair.Showe\time is at 7pm.
THEN...just 2 days after THE Steely Dan leaves town..you can hear even MORE..LIVE Steely music as THE STEELYFAN BAND hits the stage on this Friday night ,July 25th at 8:30pm!
We'll be right down the road from the fairgrounds at THESTUDIO CAFE in Newport Beach,Ca.
100 Main Street
Newport Beach,Ca.
Come on out for our biggest show this year as we lay down over 3 hours of the old,the new, and the unplugged Cuts that you will definitely want to hear! This show will be standing room only.so arrive early as we expect a large crowd. Admission is free...but the blue drinks will cost ya!(Heh heh)
We look forward to seeing you all out and about this week!
Thanks
Mr.Sticks(AKA Larry Michaels)
Steely Fan Band
1-877-679-7677
User: tk | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Reqest to post this to SIS, I had originally posted to LA Danfest:
"A note about the Pacific Amphitheatre....it has just opened for the OC Fair after being idle for 8 years, it was shutdown due to noise lawsuits filed by nearby homeowners. All previous litigation has been settled, but per a recent article in the local OC Register, some nearby residents are now complaining again about the noise after first couple concerrts, even though there are several noise meters set up by both the fair and homeowners that show noise is below threshold. Part of the settlement of reopening the Pac Amp was a 10:00 PM curfew, review of another show says this has been enforced since the fair opened and has caused a serious time crunch with shows that had an opening act (all shows start at 8:00 PM). Even though there is no opener, hope this does not cause a shortened set list by SD.... hoping they'll skip their normal 30 minute intermission from past tours to fit everything in. "
Anyone know whether set list will be altered to accomdate this curfew?
User: z | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: I'm still waiting for one of you supposed "jazz experts" to tell me (and the rest of the class) what song, LP, and whose solo DF quotes on his "Godwhacker"synth solo.
Hint: He stated in an interview that it was one of his all-time favorite jazz LPs.
Those of you who hate jazz are exempt from the alienation inherent in this challenge.
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Steeve, do you have a new drummer? Why did my last set of e-mails to you come back undeliverable?
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Steeve-boy, will do. Have you tuned up the concertina? I've polished my vocal styling of "He Ain't Heavy" to a diamond-hard gleam.
User: dif | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: new york bill...
posting aussie about having seats a stones throw from each other...
at the same venue?
perhaps middle eastern peace is possible!
"the future looks bright"
lol
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: batl apl: I hit the road tonight for the slow drive up the coast to Paso Robles, so Steely Dan better be playing Thursday. ;-)
Out of here in a few, I got my Steely Dan (RRHOF) tee shirt and am ready to roll....now where did I put my Swedish Ginger Cookies?
User: SteveeDan - gone to join the Circus | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Hi Rajah -
I am pages and pages behind in reading the guestbook, but, I saw this post of yours. I have to get in touch with my fellow Logician and my fellow Doctor Wu-ers ... The bar is called Baja Blues. I hear that it gets really crowded, so perhaps the meeting will better occur outside the bar.
I'll be getting down to Orange County between noon and 1 PM. Give me a call at home and let me know when you plan to be down at the fair.
Here's a "Regional" Steely Dan schedule for you all:
Wednesday July 23rd - STEELY DAN at the Pacific Amphitheatre
My old band, the Steely Fan Band plays at the Studio Cafe on Friday night July 25th in Newport Beach.
Thursday July 24th - STEELY DAN at the Calif. Mid-State Fair
Doctor Wu plays at the Knitting Factory on Saturday July 26th.
Pretzel Logic plays at The Baked Potato on Sunday August 17th.
Check you local listings and websites for further information ...
Enjoy your Steely Dan how you want to ... you've got lots of choices ...
SteveeDan
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: hey Batl Apl - the So. Cal Dandom is converging at a place inside the South Gate of the park called the Baja Bistro or Baja Cafe...Baja something or other. We converge commencing 4 PM. Come and meet the geeks, I'm certain we'll be easy to spot.
Hey Steevee - Let's arrange to meet up with Paul, Warren & Tony.
User: batl apl | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Last time they played Costa Mesa, I and my ball'n'chain sat on the lawn a hundred and fifty yards away.
Tomorrow night, I'm in section 2, row K. Life is good. I'll probably wear my orange smock if I can't find my Steely Dan T-shirt. That will be me in the car with batl apl plates
See some of you there...flag me down for some grapefruit wine...is the Paso Robles show a no-go? Half the posters for the Mid-State fair have SD on Thursday night, the other half have a no-name band on Thursday...
All a moot point as I work Thursday night this week. I should post "pudwhacker" sometime soon.
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: countdown to ecstasy 2003 tour tour tour
auss - enjoy, wish I was there with you, roses - nice touch
jaydubz - saw the movie Laurel Canyon last night, swear I saw the old zappa hangout on a drive by. Might have your front yard in that one!
Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light is now on DVD release in America
I've been enjoying a Jap import of this for a year (love ebay)
seeing Pat, Jaco, Micheal, Lyle and company rip it up,
buy it you'll enjoy it
clas - when's the dealine on song submittals?
has anyone used any of the computer based recording software?
I may plug in a mike and my acoustic and layer up a number
w1p - sorry to hear of your friend's loss - being an 'old' genesis fan I had heard cinema show was quite good.
getting back into vinyl and dan mobile fidelity half speed masters
the search is on
lp - email me
cheers
wormtom
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: My Homepage above is a link to AllMusic.com's review of A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd!
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Every Monday, Mike Keneally, guitarist formerly with Frank Zappa and Steve Vai, hosts a weekly internet radio program called None Radio
http://www.noneradio.com Last night, Mike played two tracks from "A Fair
Forgery of Pink Floyd" -- his incredible version of Astronomy Domine and Which One's Pink? recreation of What Shall We Do Now? (yes, the lost track from The Wall). This program will repeat 24 hours a day until next Monday so if you want to catch Which One's Pink? in its "broadcast" debut, log on and enjoy! (Here's their entire playlist for yesterday's program FYI):
NONE-013 (clams!) ū Monday, Jul 21 hosted by Rich Pike & Mike Keneally, w/
co-hosts Joe Travers & Kent Huffnagle
01 ū Newfoundland ū ROBIN DIMAGGIO [Blue Planet]
02 ū Love Is All Around ū JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS [Soundtrack: Drop
Dead Gorgeous]
03 ū "Frank Zappa's 200 Motels..." ū FRANK ZAPPA [200 Motels]
04 ū Latex Solar Beef ū FRANK ZAPPA [Fillmore East - June 1971]
05 ū Little House I Used To Live In ū FRANK ZAPPA [Fillmore East - June
1971]
06 ū Dear Lord ū JOHN COLTRANE [The Classic Quartet - Complete Impulse!
Studio Recordings]
07 ū Myxomatosis ū RADIOHEAD [Hail To The Thief]
08 ū Psycho ū THE SONICS [Nuggets Box Set]
09 ū Suddenly Spring ū WARREN CUCCURULLO [Roadrage]
10 ū Halo Of Flies ū ALICE COOPER [Killer]
11 ū Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman) ū LED ZEPPELIN [II]
12 ū Marquee Moon ū TELEVISION [Marquee Moon]
13 ū Stop Look And Listen ū DEVO [Hardcore Devo Vol. 1]
14 ū So Lonely ū THE POLICE [Outlandos d'Amour]
15 ū Working Class Hero ū JOHN LENNON [Anthology (Disc 1)]
16 ū Your Time Is Gonna Come ū JIMMY PAGE & THE BLACK CROWES [Live At The
Greek]
17 ū Narcotic Prayer ū CHRIS WHITLEY [Din Of Ecstasy]
18 ū 11th Fret ū GORDON DOWNIE [Battle Of The Nudes]
19 ū Amphibian ū BJORK [Soundtrack: Being John Malkovich]
20 ū After The Gold Rush ū MICHAEL HEDGES [Aerial Boundaries]
21 ū Aglow ū MIKE KENEALLY [Boil That Dust Speck]
22 ū Deja Vu ū NEIL RAMBALDI [NoneRadio/Emerald Guitars Competition Entry]
23 ū Nacimiento ū CARINA ALFIE [NoneRadio/Emerald Guitars Competition
Entry]
24 ū Real Good Friend ū DISGUISING GODIVA [NoneRadio/Emerald Guitars
Competition Entry]
25 ū My Dear Heather ū DISGUISING GODIVA [NoneRadio/Emerald Guitars
Competition Entry]
26 ū Ducks, Fucking ū KERRY KOMPOST [NoneRadio/Emerald Guitars Competition
Entry]
27 ū 16 Shells From A 30.6 ū TOM WAITS [Swordfishtrombones]
28 ū Happy Hero ū NEGATIVLAND [Dispepsi]
29 ū Dreaming ū SUN RA [The Singles]
30 ū Driving South ū JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE [BBC Sessions]
31 ū Astronomy Domine ū MIKE KENEALLY BAND [A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd]
32 ū What Shall We Do Now? ū WHICH ONE'S PINK? [A Fair Forgery of Pink
Floyd]
33 ū You Let A Lot Of People Down ū CHEAP TRICK [Cheap Trick]
34 ū Asking For It ū HOLE [Live Through This]
35 ū Pet Sounds ū BEACH BOYS [Pet Sounds]
36 ū Permanent Daylight ū RADIOHEAD [My Iron Lung]
37 ū I Wanna Hold Your Hand ū AL GREEN
38 ū Wouldn't It Be Nice (A Capella) ū BEACH BOYS [Pet Sounds Sessions]
39 ū Wouldn't It Be Nice ū BEACH BOYS [Pet Sounds]
40 ū Red Alert ū TONY WILLIAMS LIFETIME [Collection]
41 ū I Gots A Weasel ū WEEN [God Ween Satan]
42 ū I'll Never Leave You ū HARRY NILSSON [Nilsson Schmilsson]
43 ū Kick Out The Jams (Live) ū JEFF BUCKLEY [Live a l'Olympia]
44 ū Diamond Dust ū JEFF BECK [Blow By Blow]
45 ū Porno Daddy ū FREAK KITCHEN [Move]
46 ū Detroit Rock City ū MATTIAS EKLUNDH [Freak Guitar]
47 ū She ū KISS [Dressed To Kill]
48 ū Rock And Roll Queen ū MOTT THE HOOPLE [Mott The Hoople]
49 ū Devil Delight ū HEART [Magazine]
50 ū Life Is All Dynamics ū DEVIN TOWNSEND [Infinity]
Talkover music for this show included tracks from Buckethead's Electric Tears, Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, Grand Funk Railroad's Grand Funk, Ace Frehley's first solo album, Jane's Addiction's Ritual De Lo Habitual, The 5th Dimension's The Age Of Aquarius, the Vampyros Lesbos soundtrack, Patrick Vega's First Movement, Al Di Meola's Elegant Gypsy, Iggy & The Stooges' Raw Power, Freak Kitchen's Move, and unreleased music by Andre LaFosse.
The two extended medleys were perforned by "Z" (Ahmet Zappa, Dweezil Zappa, Joe Travers, Mike Keneally & Bryan Beller) at Shank Hall, Milwaukee WI, March 15, 1994. (Unofficial live recording)
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 22
Message: Peace!
That's what we all want, right. Peace.
DACW I took a look at some of the links you provided:
http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/eretz26.html
This link makes the distinction between 'the holy language of the Jews' and 'the native tongue of the Palestinians'. Rather subjective, wouldn't you say?
The map on there says it all - this was the land that was given to the Palestinians, and look at what's left of it now. An outrage. It's like putting all the Americans in Texas. Thanks for providing that link!
http://www.therefinersfire.org/palestine.htm
contains a text copied from the National Unity Coalition for Israel movement. Hardly objective, again. The author actually proposes to 'accept Israel's ancient sovereignty over Gaza, Judea, and Samaria', as 'that will mark the end of the Palestinian people'. This, of course, is a completely unacceptable and extremely right-wing solution that wouulds undoubltedly result in WWIII.
http://home.ptd.net/~nikki/palestine.htm
opens with a 9/11 tribute GIF on the upper left side... plus one on the upper right side... The first two links on there are for 'A Tribute To Heroes' and 'Standing With Israel'...
I'm breaking out in a sweat... I'm starting to see double... DACW, you should know that you can't base a debate on dodgy links like these... If you dig me up some objective sources, some real historians, I'm so much easier-going... Now you're just feeeding me raw meat...
Listen, I know that the PLO's denouncement of terrorism is shaky. Then again, as you can tell I don't see justice done yet. I think that definition of terrorism you give is only oh-so-handy. You say the GIs are looking for members of terrorist cells, I say they're terrorizing the common man because they're searching all the houses.
My dictionary says: using terror against state or civilization. That's terrorism. The use of terror.
On my radio now, again! Jimmy Cliff!
Terror
Terror
Terror fighting terror...
But I'm starting to see, Dan Audio Crack Whore, that we won't change each other's opinions. At least you did make me understand some of the opinions from the other side of the debate, and I can only hope I did the same thing.
Peace...
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: The URL;
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Oh man, dr Mu (DACW) is posting tons again.
Emmanuel/Howard - good points.
Let us never forget that Israel is practicing state-terrorism and apartheid-politics against their fellow Palestinians. Pure racism.
But I think there's hope. Could things change in South Africa, I think things can change in the Middle East too.
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We've had a heatwave in Sweden, and finally, this morning I woke up by the sound of thunder and heavy rain. What a relief!
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Hutch, my man, are you recording? Don't forget to send your song/songs to me, the "Stranger than Loops"-guestbook-CD is about to come true, so jump the train.
/C
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Emmanuel:
DACW = Dan Audio Crack Whore
I have to admire that you're still bringing it to the tableą
"First off, the name Palestine doesn't come from Hebrew - it's derived from the Greek 'Palaistine', which was in turned derived from the Hebrew 'Pleshet'... Hebrew."
Not exactly. I said öPalestine" came from the Romans (i.e., Latin) ū here are multiple sources that in essence concur with my take on the etymology of Palestine coming from ōPhilistineö, which happens to be Hebrew
http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/eretz26.html
http://www.ancientroute.com/empire/philistia.htm
ThereĘs a lot of cool stuff in the above source ū I learned a few morsels
ōEtymology
Philis'tia ( fi-lis 'tya ), an area; Philistines ( fi-lis ętins ), the people who lived there. The word Philistia comes from Hebrew pelistim, and means something like foreigners or immigrants. The word was then modified to Palestu, or Palestine, meaning the ęLand of the PhilistinesĘ. Other Hebrew variations are Pelishtim or Pelishtiyyim, and the country Peleaheth. In the Greek the variations are Phulistieim or Philistieim, Phulistiaioi, and allophyloi., all meaning ęforeignersĘ. In Egyptian, the word would be P-r-s-t-w.ö
http://www.therefinersfire.org/palestine.htm
http://home.ptd.net/~nikki/palestine.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~TheHOPE/yrusalem2a.htm
A better name for the region might be the Land of Canaan rather than Palestineą
ōThe geographic location of a 'Palestinian' land or a 'Philistines' community has fluctuated so often and so drastic that the situation you draw doesn't paint the entire picture. ō
The area that the Philistines lived in is known...and indeed was near the Gaza stripąThey may have been distantly related to the Phoenicians who live in now current day Lebanonąthey were superb sailors and shipbuildiers (the Phoenicians that is) and invented the angular reference system for sailing, forms of algebra for trading, etc.
ōThe Moors, who indeed had ruled over the region since the seventh century, didn't exactly lay waste to the muslim culture... They were muslims.ö
No, I said the Ottoman Turks laid waste to Muslim civilization, but took on the religionąI would say that some of the current theocracies and terrorist groups are laying waste to Muslim now...
ōI'm not saying they should have it all to themselves. I'm only saying that they should at least have a nation. Moreover... it's a goddam outrage that they don't have one already.ö
They were granted that in 1947, Jordan took it away in 1948, not Israel. Again most ōPalestinianö Arabs lived in Jordan anyway. I agree that the West Bank should be traded for recognition of the state of Israeląan Israeli/UN Marshall Plan I think would be in order to build and Arab Canaanite (I believe this is the most apt historical term) economy
ōNow then, onto the definition of 'terrorists'...
It's funny. I just switched off the tube, there was a Mandela program on: his lawyer said, that when Mandela was jailed in the sixties, most white folks labeled Mandela a terrorist.ö
ąand the audience laughed at Lester Maddox tooą
ōTerrorist.
Alright, so according to your explanation of the word, terrorists target 'innocent civilians'. Phew, Mandela was never a terrorist. But those US troops searching the houses right now in Iraq, then, must be terrorists, no?ö
They are not. Correct. As they are looking for military targets, guerrillas of Al Qaeda and Feyadeen
The PLO distanced itself from terrorism in 1973, folks, if you can't remember, that's when you first heard 'King Of The World'. Don't mistake them with HAMAS or Al-Qaida.
OMG, youĘre kidding, right? this has indeed proven my point re: niaveteąyou donĘt truly believe that? ąand Mike Tyson and Kobe Bryant said those women ōasked for itö ąmost terrorist act in Israel occurs with ArafatĘs blessing or a wink and a nodąIraq has been a major supporter of PLO, Hamas, and other terrorist groups since the fall of the Soviet UnionąThe PLO directly controls the terrorist faction the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF) ū it indeed is like the Mafiaą
IĘve seen the photo ąunbelievable ū itĘs a check thatĘs four by six FEET!!!
http://www.timmerman2000.com/news/saddam_terror.htm
http://www.terrorvictims.com/terroristgroups.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=%2Farts%2F2002%2F11%2F03%2Fboder03.xml
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/204
http://www.paktoday.com/gary2.htm
http://www.dartreview.com/archives/000022.php
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/sklein_arafat-axis-evil.asp
http://avpv.tripod.com/terror-groups.html
The only difference between the PLO and Hamas & Hezbollah, is that the latter are not hypocrites and do not pretend to be legitimate rather than admitted terrorists...
I'm literally waiting for the paint to dry in the kitched, as I redo the cabinets slowly but surely...After putting in tile...everything must go!!! unfortunately, the budget is getting tight, but sandpaper and paint are cheap...however, never let your wife see a "work on progress" Hey, art's not neat and tidy baby!
and in the bizarro dept..I had "Who's Line is It Anyway" on as amusing entertainment in the background...it's on ABC Family or something...then the 700 Club breaks in after an episonde...I swear you cannot tell the difference between a Comedy Central parody and tonights boradcast...was covered in paint, and stunned as well...I swear Pat Robertson sounds like he's pulling for Armegeddon...and then something about Bush should be staying out of Liberia unless he has a plan, because the Muslims are taking over west Africa?! Otay...In an ironic twist, Robertson has been praying over the last week for God to push one of the Supreme Court Justices "over the edge" ...turns out the Lord instead has called an Evangelist to the Elmer Gantry's Pantry in the sky...
User: hypothetical friend | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: steviedan (the north carolina version): i was recently given a cd by a band called Hobex, who hail from Raleigh. they have been compared to Steely Dan apparently. do you know anything about them? i think i have their first cd and i'm interested in hearing the newest one.
User: world, king of | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: SD.... only 'band' to not approve of the wearing of its own tee-shirt. Officially.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: I love the ODP. Whenever I spend a little time there I find something I never saw before.
http://www.steelydan.com/morningscan.09.html
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: NYB: Jones Beach coordinates: Orchestra C, Row A, seats One and Two. The Babe Choir will be presented with fresh flowers as they take their bows.
Aus
User: not minah, majah, for real | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: St Al...seriously now, the Jethro Tull billboard has caused more accidents among the blue hairs than any Becker and Fagen billboard can cause. I'll be keeping count though on the Atlantic City Expressway.
Maj.
User: maj¬ | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: I was correct. Good things will happen today if I wear my Steely Dan tshirt.
Pronto...12:21pm today...phone rings. Lucky Henry on the line. tix for the Borgata. ":...from Bakersfield to Baltimore."
We trade predictions for opening tune. LH: Your Gold Teeth II. The maj¬'s pick: Two Against Nature. We trade rationale.
We call Minah to settle the score. He's thinking, thinking, data processing. More to come.
Maj¬
User: babebabe | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: happy birthyday dif!
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Many of you may know Shaun Guerin through his solo work, his work with the Genesis tribute Cinema Show or his work with the Rocket Scientists. We were all very saddened to learned that he passed away last week. I did not know Shaun well -- we had a few "tribute band" contacts. But I did see Cinema Show a few times and Shaun was awesome as their lead vocalist, second drummer, flautist and anything else they needed. Last year, I attended his CD release party at Paladino's for In the Light of Dark (on Clearlight Records) and was very favorably impressed with his solo material (on which he played nearly every instrument). The record is really great and harkens back to the "real" Genesis -- when the music and the message were equally intense. I last saw Shaun in April at a benefit in Redondo Beach for the family of his bassist Tom Shannon. I gave Shaun a copy of A Fair Forgery (to which he contributed an incredible version of In the Flesh) and he was genuinely appreciative of getting a copy (when it was I who was the one who should have been (and was) appreciative of the opportunity to have an artist of his talent on the record). My three year-old Aja and I watched Cinema Show that afternoon open with the signature Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and it was truly wonderful and will be my lasting memory of a truly gifted musician. W1P
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Steviedan,
"Legs Akimbo" might be a great title for the next SD album :)
Aussie,
With just under 24 hours to go until the Steely Dan 03' Summer Tour
susponds without warning, all I can say is REV UP THE MOTOR SCOOTERS!!!
While at the James Taylor concert back on July 5th I checked out the
general layout of the orchestra section and I feel that we may both be
close enough to shake hands with the boys when the opportunity arises.
Our anticipation swells like a mighty tsunami.
Synchronize watches by the atomic clock.
Countdown to Ecstasy... 23 hours and counting!
User: king of the world | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: It's been a month. SO WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE GOING TO COME OUT???!!!! I think I'm being more than patient. Wait, I haven't even heard EMG yet. Me stooopid.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Rajah: Yeah, I think they are either here, or almost here. I saw an article in the LA Times about the 150th Birthday Party for Central Park. They mentioned someone playing sax in the park and my hubby's comment was "Well it can't be Cornelius Bumpus, because they should be here by now".
I hope they get a few days to get used to the time change.
Aussie: You are just too funny....
Wormy: I don't think some of those songs will be retired, because they need to hit on many levels. The casual SD fan, the spouses and others that get dragged in and of course, us. Oh and they need stuff that rocks, so as to make the concert a memorable occasion. Bodhisattva is one of those songs. I remember seeing Billy Joel in the mid 80's and wishing he would just do the old stuff. I have grown up quite a bit since then and realize that performers don't have much of a choice in this matter.
I believe that they will put on a great show, no matter what is played. I won't have access to the internet on Thursday, so I won't know the set list until the performance in Paso Robles. I think that is actually kind of nice and look forward to it.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: Well, it's so close to the opening of the tour and the anticipation is mounting. The Dan are probably flying out to Cali today, unless they're already here, and one can't help wondering where they are reheasing before the first show Wednesday.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: DACW, you put up a good debate!
You actually did tell me some new stuff, like Howard, I can't seem to agree with you.
Let's start at the start.
First off, the name Palestine doesn't come from Hebrew - it's derived from the Greek 'Palaistine', which was in turned derived from the Hebrew 'Pleshet'... Hebrew.
The geographic location of a 'Palestinian' land or a 'Philistines' community has fluctuated so often and so drastic that the situation you draw doesn't paint the entire picture.
The Moors, who indeed had ruled over the region since the seventh century, didn't exactly lay waste to the muslim culture... They were muslims.
I'm not saying they should have it all to themselves. I'm only saying that they should at least have a nation. Moreover... it's a goddam outrage that they don't have one already.
Now then, onto the definition of 'terrorists'...
It's funny. I just switched off the tube, there was a Mandela program on: his lawyer said, that when Mandela was jailed in the sixties, most white folks labeled Mandela a terrorist.
Terrorist.
Alright, so according to your explanation of the word, terrorists target 'innocent civilians'. Phew, Mandela was never a terrorist. But those US troops searching the houses right now in Iraq, then, must be terrorists, no?
The PLO distanced itself from terrorism in 1973, folks, if you can't remember, that's when you first heard 'King Of The World'. Don't mistake them with HAMAS or Al-Qaida.
The British may have caused a lot of the crap back then, but you will find all this info nowhere else but inb the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Anyway, DACW (what does that stand for anyway? really curious), you argue that a terrorist's only motivation is power - I beg to differ. But you have to make distinctions between different terrorist groups to be able to determine their motives.
Palestinians who blow themselves up - power to the Palestinian people, Jews out of Jerusalem
IRA - British out of Northern Ireland
Al-Qaida - Americans out of the Middle-East
Chechnyan Resistance - Russians out of Chechnya
The degrees of intensity differ, as well as the nobility rate. Also, a tactical top man might think different than the guy who actually flies the plane.
And I condemn all their actions as violently as you do. And I gotta agree with you that that French Resistance example was a bad choice. But Ilike to remain open to other ideas than capitalism, consumerism... yes, perhaps progress itself. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't do without it - but if somebody wants to live in the year 800 forever, I'd like to let them take a chance at it. And I'd leave them alone. How hard is that, really?
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message: that delicous interlude in Greenbook sounds an awful lot like a break in the Aja title track or is my imagination running amuck
2003 tour - would love to hear EMG, TIMTM, GB and LWG
although BB and TLM and SOA will certainly get treatment
old nuggets - Aja, Deacon, Dr Wu, Any World, Almost Gothic, Jack Of Speed
things to take out of the setlist (I see the flames mounting) - Bodi, Peg, Green Earrings, Kid C., Hey 19, Glamour P, Cousin Dupree, that dumb drum solo in Josie
lp - any decision on Manchester?
Auss - you're an eDANgelist
over and out
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 21
Message:
Preparing myself for SD tour info to start flooding in here...
Difficult to deal with, as I will be keen to hear every detail of the performances, set lists, solos etc - but this will only increase frustration at the fact that D+W won't be coming over to the UK. Oh well...
DACW - I don't think I can say much that I haven't said already. We have very different takes on this, and I can't see either one of us changing the other viewpoint.
Several of those articles you posted were rather thin on evidence though. One has the headline "US air strike wipes out al-Qaeda force in Iraq", then the article itself says that "Packets of Algerian tobacco, paperwork from Egypt and Yemen... were found among the scorched detritus of the camp", following that up "Although the nationalities of the men (killed by the US) are not known, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt and Algeria provided most of the volunteers for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network."
That sounds like awfully shaky reasoning to me.
"The guy was smoking an Algerian cigarette, so he must have been al-Qaeda!"
Another article quotes Don Rumsfeld, saying that "the coalition had solid evidence that senior al-Qaeda operatives have visited Baghdad in the past"
So what?!? Don Rumsfeld met Saddam in Baghdad in the past, that doesn't mean Saddam was on the US side in the war.
Also, aren't we overlooking well-known links (money and guns) between Osama and several western countries? Does that mean we are "with al-Qaeda"?
Occasional visits and tenuous links in the past do not add up to a "close working relationship".
Howard
User: suedave | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message:
The 2000 Seattle Danfest was a great success because everything was easy - the music, the food & drinks, the people, and the attire. It was all Steely Dan inspired. Last year I was able to put in Citizen plus 2VN for the Danfest in the 5 CD changer but this year will be different - now that there are NINE studio CD's I'll have to get more creative. No problem! I've always thought I didn't have enough Steely Dan (I don't), but I've been pleasantly surprised at how much SD & related music I've dusted off from which to make the music mix for the Danfest. It'll be fair to.....expect some tracks off the beaten path. If anyone has any "must hear" or "must not hear" email me directly.
Get ready for the show at the Gorge and
COME TO THE SEATTLE DANFEST!!!
Friday August 1st 2003, 8:00 pm
http://home.comcast.net/~susandavidson/seattledanfest.html
Drink Cuban Breeze's by the Manatee Bar
Try a Schezuan Dumpling and Swedish Ginger Cookies
Exchange stories with Danfans from near and far
Pay a quarter for Red Beans & Rice
Watch movies in the den
Listen to great music
Drop yourselves off in groovetime
In getting ready for this year's summer smoker, I'm desperately trying to get rid of clutter in my house - everything must go (what remains goes into the basement lol).
Gorge info here - http://www.dandom.com/danfests/engorgement/index.html
The countdown has begun - Hope to see you here and there,
Susan
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message: Olympic Games
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message: Congratulations to Ben Curtis!
Fight the RIAA Nazis!! I'm serious - we're losing our liberties
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31833.html
Emmanuel: I appreciate your point of view, but can't agree with many of the premises. Nonetheless, all sides of a debate should be heard.
"- America did start making things worse in the seventies. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter and the Shah of Iran? Prime example of how the US can get it all wrong. They just didn't have a clue what was going on in the country."
Actually Ford supported the Shah more than Jimmy, who was a Soviet appeaser...ohhhh, that boycott of the 1980 Olympic waves was really effective! The Shah was a dictator, but obviously not on the level of the Ayatollah, who established a repressive theocracy, and continued the proliferation of terrrosim established by the PLO
Beirut, the hostages in Iran, Iran-Contra... Everytime we blinked or supported countries that became terrorist in nature, we did ...But remeber, Germany and France sold more arms and nuclear materials, etc. to Iraq and Iran. The West share some guilt in naivete...The Naivete continues today on the Continent of Europe (which was my point!!!!!), except, for the for Soviet occupied countries, who know better.
However, the VICTIM is not responsible for the act of a terrorist, despite tunnel vision towards the Soviet threat (remeber they invaded Afghanistan in 1978) in the 70s and 80s. For example, Kobe Bryant's "alleged" rape vicitim is going to be run through the wringer by the defense team because she OD-d on pills a while back when her best friend was killed and her boyfriend left in the same week...
The covert operation supporting the Northern Alliance or Charlie Harris' War became the focus...Some of Saddam's forces joined the Mujahadeen and cut their teeth. However, their contribution has been overrated in the victory over the Soviets and that does not mean the US was responsible directly for the US Cole or 9/11...However, it is fair to say that the US ABANDONED the Northern Alliance after the defeat of the Soviets, just as we abandoned Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War...
Life's not perfect. It's a heck of a lot easier reading and critizing history than it is living it real time...that's tough for TV age folks to do IMO...
"- The PLO is not necessarily a terrorist organization. When has it become so easy to just slap on that label and say that they're bad guys?"
It's easy when the PLO was established in the 1960s with just that intent in mind! ...to do terrorism and they did just that for many years through today as they have been joined by Hamas, etc! It's easy when they have been the group responsible for the Munich Games slaughter and thousands of other atricities. Again, the West including the US have been naive until recently. It's easy when they've contributed nothing to Arab Palestinians and refused an offer in 2000 for the West Bank
It's easy when the head of the PLO, No-Sir Arafat with the aid of the Syrians in the 70s and Saddam and Iran in the 80s until today has assets in excess of $2 Billion!!! wringed from the blood of its victims
" In my opinion, they were kicked out of their own country and they're just fighting to regain it."
I don't know if you know this, but "Palestine" was occupied by the Ottoman Turks, who laid waste to the Muslim civilization and dominated an area from Croatia through Iran to Egypt for 600 years until the end of World War I. The area of Palestine in the mid 19th Century was desolate. Jewish immigrants moved in and cleared the marshes and brush. Nomadic Arabs increased in numbers, especially after WWI. Upon the end of WWII and the sunset of the British empire, Britain promised 50% of Palestine (which included what is now Israel, the West Bandk, and Jordan to a new state of Israel, while the Arabs would receive 50%. After much protest and haggling, Isarel had to settle for 7%, yes just 7%!! Thus one can argue that they're owed 43%! Nonetheless, all new (real like Syria and Lebanon and Iran formerly Persia or fake like Iraq) states reached an agreement in 1947 to split up "Palestine" BTW, Palestine is a Roman bastardization of the name Phillistine, hated enemy of the land of Judah...When the Romans kicked out the Jews in 77AD and laid waste to the land in a wya Sherman did through Georgia in the Civil War, they erased all traces of the 7 tribes of Israel from all maps, replacing it with "Palestine."
The made-up country of Jordan (by the British famous for making up countries such as Pakistan, East Pasistan, now Bangladesh, and as mentioned Iraq - what misery that has sown), formerly trans-Jordan, meaning across the Jordan River INVADED the WEST BANK, which was to become a second Arab Palestinsian State according to the 1947 UN Treaty, on their way to attempt to drive the Jews to the sea. The Israelis defeated the multi-lateral Arab attack, but Jordan kept the West Bank anyway!!! Jordan's King Hussain had no intention of setting up a second Arab Palestinian state, the first on being Jordan. Thus, in 1967, Arab Paelstinians (from both the West and East Bank areas) were the majority of the people of Jordan. In 1967, the six day war, Israel was attacked again by Jordan, Syria, Egypt. The Israeli's won and established a "buffer" zone of the Golan Heights, West Bank, and the Sanai.
So let's put the blame on the Romans and the British where it belongs! ;-)
Jimmy Carter reached his pinnacle as President with the Camp David accord in which Sadat and Egypt traded the West Bank for peace and recognition of Israel as a sovereign Country. However, Sadat paid the ultimate price. He was assasinated by a group headed by terrorist MD Ayman Al-Zawahiri. Here's the irony, Al Zawahiri joined with Al Qaeda years ago and is second in command - he kept Osama on dialysis. IMO, Osama was killed in the recent Afghanistan campaign and is the head. Frankly Al Zawahiri is evven more dangerous. He is an organizational genius, and brilliantly planned the cell and mmultiple plan strategy of the terrorist attack on 9-11, the US Cole, and assisted indirectly with the Oklahoma City bombing by training Terry Nichols in the Phillipines. and other...this model is now being used by terrorist groups worldwide...using your logic, then Jimmy Carter is responsible for 9/11!!! Just kidding again...
"Was the French Resistance in WWII a terrorist organization?"
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The purpose to TERRORISM is to DELIBERATELY KILL and TERRORIZE INNOCENT CIVILIANS for Political Gain, without attacking or neutralizing MILITARY TARGETS!!! The FRENCH RESISTANCE bravely fought against the Nazis and targeted military personnel, supplies, and aided in the escape and movement of real freedom fighters. If the French Resistance had developed weapons that targeted civilians in Berlin, and then sent blackmail notes to the Fuhrer, that would be a different story. I hope the distinction is crystal clear Emmanuel...there are a shocking number of people who do not see the difference today!
"- Of course 9/11 was a result of American mismanagement."
I'm sorry, we cannot blame the vitime...same with Kobe's rape victim or victims of domestic violence...they are NEVER asking for it!
" Do you think these guys throw airplanes for fun? Half of the world lives in poverty and the other half is building skyscapers with lush walkways."
This was about POWER, power for Al Qaeda to control the Middle East, or as much as possible...The World Trade Center provided over a hundred nations around the world with good and services (it's not like they bombed Enron headquarters!). 50,000 of the best and brightest worked (but did not live) there from all over the world.
I have a newflash - Osama and the Al Qaeda lieutenants like Al-Zawahir and KSM were RICH!! Arafat is again RICH beyond your wildest dreams...
" The poor folk just want to see that there's not one big nation controlling everybody's destiny."
If you're referring to the Middle East, most of the poor there are victims of ther own!!! repressive theocracies, a Stalinist dictator (Saddam), and kingdoms, where the "Kennedy" family controls all the money and resources!!! The absence of Democracies except for israel, now Afghanistan, and hopefully Iraq is telling...I take that as an argument FOR real interference before 9/11...the fact is the West has been too lenient on terrorism for too many years...
A critical factor to remember, that free speech IS NOT ALLOWED in virtually all of the Middle East, except for Qatar, where Al Jazeerah is located...
"It might have been censored in your town,"
There's no censorship here, unless some rednecks don't want to listen to the Dixie Chicks any longer...
"but I saw the Palestinians and the Saudis and the Syrians cheering"
Some (not a majority) of the Arab Street cheered when Sadat was killed, when US hostages were taken, every time there's a bombing against an Israeli school or mall - these are people we should use as a politcal barometer?? I think not!
" and celebrating when the towers went down. You don't become cruel like that for nothing."
Years of propaganda primarily against Israel...many in the Middle East believe that Jews run our country...so you are supportive of people with the mindset of the KKK?!
This is EXACTLY what I mean by Western NaivetT...time to think out of the wet paper bag and "connect the dots"
"As long as you don't take these sentiments seriously, they will remain.
- This is the breeding ground for the fundamentalism that turns ordinary people into hardcore terrorists. And you can't just draw the line and say 'terrorists are just after power', that's too simplistic."
That's exactly what Al Zawahiri, Saddam, etc had in mind...However, many that are "soldiers" in their terrorist armies have been duped (see below)
"There's no Dark Side of the Force on this planet."
I guess you've never seen Auschwitz or talked to the victims of Stalin, Mao, families in Korea split apart for 50 years...Cruelty and evil are firmly implanted into the human psyche, and a combusted by individuals with bad intentions...In 1944, a teen plays stickball...In Germany they would became Hitler youth, then sent to exterminate millions before the Allies closed in...Evil is a thread that winds into some of Steely Dan songs...
" If that world view is maintained, opinions will only get polarized. Nobody will benefit from that."
The Polish people tried that in 1939...as did an infamous British Prime Minister Neville "Peace in our Time" Chamberlain...
"- What's that? 'Occupation of Western Europe'? Can anybody get me a bucket? That's really too horrific for words man."
I was half-kidding, drawing a paradigm with the Soviets...the US was invited to stay in live in autonomous countries which we all benefitted from...the Marshall Plan is one of the highlights of American history, while obviously the Soviets were not as witnessed by Budapest, 1956 and Prague, 1967...
The US as many countries (some listed here) has made many mistakes. However, it should be pointed out that we, since WWII ,are a generous "rich" country - not perfect, but billions and billions in foreign aid have been invested. I've been pleased and surpised that Bush in continuing this recently in Africa...
"So in hindsight we have been occupied for fifty years?"
Nope, Europe was now largely a Pacifist continent by 1992 (OK, with the exception of Kosovo, Bosnia) - I'd say we were successful ;-)
" Right... So that's how all those McDonalds restaurants suddenly popped up... That's why we can't seem to find a channel on the tube that's not playing 'WWF slamdown'!"
There I draw the line!!!!!!! PLEASE feel fre to boycott our so called "entertainment" and disposable industries!!!!!! including the RIAA, but buy Steely Dan first! You'll be happy to know that McDonald's and Malls are taking it on the chin...
Everything Must Go!!!!
User: the ghost of Johnny Adams | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message: played friday
Cal Tjader.."chopsticks mambo"
Donald Byrd.."fuego"
Coltrane.."blue train"
Jimmy Witherspoon.."wake up call"
Johnny Adams..One Foot In The Blues.."half awake"
Junior Mance W/Joe Temperly & The Floating Jazz Festival Trio..Play Music Of Monk.."little rootie tootie"(new)
Louie Bellson..Airmail Special.."don't be that way"
Jimmy Scott..Moonglow.."since i fell for you(outstanding new one)
Stanley Turrentine..lp Blue Hour.."since i fell for ...(december 1960) for my flower"
Eric Alexander..Nightlife In Tokyo.."island"(new)
Roy Eldridge..What's It All About.."that thing"
Bobby Darin.."all nite long"
Bo Diddley.."pretty thing"
Jimmy Reed.."aint that loving you"
Ron Holloway & Friends..Live At Montreier.."sidewinder"(new)
King Curtis..Soul Meeting.."da-duh-dah"
Lee Morgan..lp Gigolo.."speedball" july 1965
Chet Baker.."a night on bop mountain"
Charles Davis..Blue Gardenia.."shadow of the sunset"(new)
Frank Morgan/Mc coy Tyner..Major Changes.."changes"
John Lee Hooker W/Van Morrison..Don't Look Back.."title"
B.B. King..There Is Always One More Time.."title"
Vince Seneri..Urban Paradise.."that's all"
Wayne Shorter..lp Adams Apple.."footprints"(february 1966)
Bobby Scott.."won't you please come home"
I want you to love me till the hair stands on my head.
Muddy Waters
"I Want You To Love Me"
bluz
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message: steviedan
sounds likea great party
you never mentioned if it was your mini skirt or your wifes ?
there the best parties !!!
User: Emmanuel, Left On The Rio Grande | Month: 6 | Day: 20
Message: DACW, very eloquent. Even though our opinions on the matter at hand differ, it appears you have an even bleaker view than me. It's not so bad.
I'm sure my generation is going to screw up just as much as yours.
Couple of things though:
- America did start making things worse in the seventies. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter and the Shah of Iran? Prime example of how the US can get it all wrong. They just didn't have a clue what was going on in the country.
- The PLO is not necessarily a terrorist organization. When has it become so easy to just slap on that label and say that they're bad guys? In my opinion, they were kicked out of their own country and they're just fighting to regain it. Was the French Resistance in WWII a terrorist organization?
- Of course 9/11 was a result of American mismanagement. Do you think these guys throw airplanes for fun? Half of the world lives in poverty and the other half is building skyscapers with lush walkways. The poor folk just want to see that there's not one big nation controlling everybody's destiny. It might have been censored in your town, but I saw the Palestinians and the Saudis and the Syrians cheering and celebrating when the towers went down. You don't become cruel like that for nothing. As long as you don't take these sentiments seriously, they will remain.
- This is the breeding ground for the fundamentalism that turns ordinary people into hardcore terrorists. And you can't just draw the line and say 'terrorists are just after power', that's too simplistic. There's no Dark Side of the Force on this planet. If that world view is maintained, opinions will only get polarized. Nobody will benefit from that.
- What's that? 'Occupation of Western Europe'? Can anybody get me a bucket? That's really too horrific for words man. So in hindsight we have been occupied for fifty years? Right... So that's how all those McDonalds restaurants suddenly popped up... That's why we can't seem to find a channel on the tube that's not playing 'WWF slamdown'!
I don't want the world to turn into one big mall. I personally like the fact that there's different cultures and different ideas. Please get back to some Splendid Isolation. I could even live with the fact that Steely Dan won't be touring Europe.
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: back from the soirre at somebody's beverly hillbilly estate. nice partay out by the CEment pond. the ellie mays weren't bad and everyone was diggin' and dancin'...
and on the breaks, some emg mixed between war "spill the wine", barry white, biggie smalls for the chitlins. MORE emg (multiple cuts), jt "copperline" live, etcetera, etcetera, emg a full TWO times through. our emg cut for the evening was decidedly "pixeleen"...
during the sets, this lady hit the floor(grass) like FOUR times. on her ASS i tell ya, legs akimbo, mini-skirt around waist...
everything had gone... good party.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: tones zone guru: Yes, I agree. Our only hope is when the Vulcans land in First Contact. Let's face it, Joe Queenan is right - the boomers are a bust...we had a few good ideas, then we sold out and twisted the few decent ones we had with all the bad ones into some bizarro surreal PC fantasy world which some of my compatriots in academe feeled compelled for some reason to try to stuff down the throats of hormone enraged post-teens ...we should all do the right thing and slide on down with dignity and wind down in silence as our entropy meshes with the galactic dark matter...
Unfortunately, there's this goddamn mess to clean up first:
Al Qaeda and Iraq. Who else could provide a model for the Feyadeen. SaddamĘs never fought a guerilla war before ū this was planned and the UN charade provided time to organize:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F06%2F15%2Fwirq15.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2003/284/ed284.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/02/1048962816329.html
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6510643%255E401,00.html
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/07/01072003071020.asp
http://www.saag.org/paper8/paper729.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-ijaz041003.asp
http://www.iraqinews.com/org_ansar_al-islam.shtml
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/6298983.htm
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/13-2-19103-0-10-27.html
http://blog.kynn.com/shock/archive/000264.php
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82557,00.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/28/90101.shtml
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/31/1048962688374.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/29/sprj.irq.terrorist.capture/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2149499.stm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/27/iraq/main551246.shtml
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/alqaeda_iraq020927.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85514,00.html
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/iraqwar/story/0,4395,180418,00.html
The CIA and Tenet were embarrassed that they missed some of the obvious connections between Al Qaeda and Iraq that the British saw
http://www.iht.com/articles/84885.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq327.xml
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/07/17072002170855.asp
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0614/p03s02-usju.html
After we establish the Neutral Zone, may our children's children's children live long and prosper...
User: z | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: I've been given special privilege to post here by both the Warden and my doctors- they said it would be therapeutic, being that SD are the reason I'm incarcerated again.
However, they made one little stipulation- I have to wear electrodes so they can shock me if I say anything negative about SD.
I'm sure that they spoke to DF and WB about this, and this is their little way of getting back at me for putting all those "emissions" over EMG, but I don't care, they've been making me listen to it so much I'm starting to like it.
This goes under the theory that you will like anything if you listen to it long and often enough- look at rap music.
I know I promised I wouldn't post here if I had anything negative to say about EMG, now they're going to make sure I don't have anything negative to say about SD.
I tried the Blue Book, but it's turned into the same thing as this GB (where did all the musicians go?), so I might as well go along with it.
BTW, Rajah of Erase- I think Doctor Warren Kruger meant that Jim Pugh is usually in such demand that he rarely goes on tour. I'm aware that Doc K. has also posted about EMG, but just because he was my doctor, it doesn't mean he necessarily speaks for me.
Well, here goes:
"Last Mall"- I like the introduction, typical SD chord voicings, very pretty.
Sure, it's only a I IV V, but they've got a lot of nice sounding maj7th and 11th passing chords, so it's not like it's J Geils or something.
The bridge is nice, too- chord changes every two beats, leading up to DF's singing break- very effective.
WB's fills are very tasty, good horn lines- nuance gets them over on this one.
"TIMTM"- I don't know, a descending chromatic line on a minor chord progression? Isn't that a little predictable? Ouch!!!
Alright, it's not that bad. Umm... not much more to say about this one.
"Blues Beach"- Uhh... not much to say about this one- nice Laura Nyro tribute.
"Slang of Ages"- Uhhh, better skip this one too.
"Godwhacker"- Good Lord- skip that one too! SD Trivia question here-
What famous jazz solo from what famous jazz LP does DF quote here on his pseudo-harmonica synth solo?
"Green Book"- Ahh, now we're talkin' music! This neo-noir funk tune has some of that harmonic daring, that mystery, that their best stuff has.
I get the head tingle thing on "I'm so in love with this dirty city"- why couldn't they have more of this stuff on EMG?
Great funk fills in the background, finally some drama on a rather undramatic album- ouch!- not that there's anything wrong with that!
"Pixeline"- Great lydian-sounding pop tune. Nice short Bari Sax solo by RR- what a great sound. The chorus displaces the harmonic rhythm very nicely. Odd bridge, though. Wild ending, Charlap's fault- worked with his bass player brother once.
"Lunch With Gina"- Another negative girl, but not as mysterious.
"EMG"- Coltranesque intro, cleverly ending on V7sus chord so they can start singing on the IV chord. Great lyrics, but I don't go for those 3 way things with Dave from aquisitions-ouch!- hey, I wasn't putting them down! I just stated my- oh forget it.
Well, that's pretty much it. A good album, but lacking in the daring, experimental dept. that "Aja", "Gaucho" "TVN" and "Nitefly had.
Other than "Green Book", no pathos, no drama, no-ouch! hey- that's not necessarily bad! The damn yuppies they're playing for need a kind of party album like this- drink their Kirschwasser from a shell and all that!
Just stop shocking me with that thing! I was so positive, I almost got sick-ouch! Okay, signing off.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: web boy - It's all a matter of personal opinion and taste. If you don't like Conan then that's fine. I do.
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: NYB: During a leisurely game of online backgammon (courtesy of host MSN Game Zone) I had occassion to play with a gentleman from the Los Angeles, California area. I asked him how far Costa Mesa was from LA and he replied 35 miles. Then I told him that Steely Dan was kicking off their much awaited summer tour at the Ampitheatre in Costa Mesa...he had no idea and was pleasantly surprised....he then told me that he had the Dan's Greatest Hits compact disque in his car as we spoke and that he had never seen them live. I gave him the quick summary of what the boys were up sinse their Gaucho effort, culminating with their new effort EMG....he was jumping out of his skin and proclaimed that he would be in attendance next Wednesday come hell or high watre. He commented that I should be hired as a promotion manager and thanked me for the heads up. Add another walk-up to the show and at least one to EMG record sales.
Good deed of the day accomplished.
Aus
User: time zone guru | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: As time zone guru, I find it hard to relate to the transitive and short-sighted nature of what you refer to as "politics", accustomed as I am to viewing the not quite present "bigger picture".
But I do want to tell you all that if the human race doesn't start evolving soon (or at least stop de-evolving so rapidly), we're in danger of being booted out of The United Federation of Planets.
That may not mean much to you, but it would be a *major* source of embarrassment for me. I can just hear the guy/thing from Mizar 5 now...
C'mon, let's pull it together for primates everywhere!
concerned
your
tzg
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: StAl: World support never fills a hole in the ground. This is exactly why we should have bagged the UN route. Clinton would have...and he didn't in 1998 when Carl Levin exclaimed that Saddam must be stopped, so we lobbed 450 Cruise missles into Iraq. where was the outrage then? ...and we hadn't been directly attacked by Al Qaeda, to our "intelligence" knowledge.
No, the biggest problem is poor preparedness for the current guerrilla war. One thing is assured: while our management of Pakistan, operation in Afghanistan, and early campaign in Iraq have turned out to be spot on, Al Qaeda and Saddam are much better at long term planning and half-time adjustments than we are...as I've been saying all along - these folks aren't chimps. They mean serious business...time for common sense and well thought out strategy...that's where Bush's First Mistake (mentioned previously) has the greatest effect, it's allowed for too much politics to influence the war on the Terrorist Mafia...
World approval thinks there's Global Warming when there is not based on weather ballons and the same accurate satellites that correctly identified the ozone layer hole (no, the two phenomenon have nothing to do with each other), yet yawns at critical R&D proposals for Fuel Cells...first one to "connect the dots" gets a special prize...e-me for a discussion if you'd like...anybody notice that Exxon-Mobil is jumping on the Fuel Cell bandwagon? - these guys aren't Enron-type self-deluded criminal idiots...
NOW
Back to the Dan: After a forced exile due to repairs and work for a week - EMG is ON in its full glory...HOLY F*CK! This is in my view the type of album they've always wanted to make a post modern Duke Ellington album...ergo the 40s blues/jazz sound and structure...they've finally beat the whiteness out of this one...how about the gospel whooos by the background singers on the title track...magnifico...and just when I was starting to question myself because of mixed press including the Dan boards...
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: Four days till the SD summer tour kicks off!
We've been waiting for this for 3 years right?
Who's going to the Costa Mesa show?
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: Had to jump in before I left.
Bush's biggest mistake was his rush to take action against Iraq without a more cohesive global consensus. Sorry, but Spain, Australia and a sprinkling of countries in Africa and old Eastern block countries aren't enough. Love 'em or hate 'em the UN is equivalent of the check and balance system we have in the US government. Without their approval the battle is overwhelming.
How in the world could an administration squander UNIVERSAL world support for the US after the attacks of 9/11?
Bush did just that. World opinion of the US has never been lower. He's a buffoon and must be stopped.
StAl
User: DACW - one last thingy | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: Emmanuel: Did you know "Old Style Muslims" 1000 years ago had the most advanced civilization in the world. Terrorists are after power...the permissiveness of the West has allowed them to apply this "technique" outside the Israeli sphere, not that it is acceptable within...Osama twisted religion as a recruitment and motivation tool. and it's amazing how the terrorist chiefs never lead by example!
I think the Mafia model is the one to use...
Well, I've fixed my speakers and now back to EMG after a week without...it's amazing. I guess folks just get this one or they don't...
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: Emmanuel: There were virtually no US troops in the Middle East in the early 70s when terrorism started...So Americans are responsible for the Munich games attack...9/11 was not caused by US troops - we didn't start it...ya know that young lady Kobe raped was just asking for it...she wore too much makeup Western Europe was occupied by US troops from 1945 until the 90s. I see no relationship between that and the IRA attacks, for example. Your theory has thus been disproved. Look, the US occupation of Western Europe kept the Soviets behind the Berlin wall for years and assured there would not be a Euope initiated World War. I'm all in favor of Europe as a pacifist continent...and did it take a US occupation to make it so??...hmmmm...
Yes, I think the Crusades caused 9/11...not. That makes as much sense as saying the Moor invasion of Spain caused the 1947 Arab-Israeli War...
Howard: It's too late...we were already at war - see Bush mistake #1
(a) was well covered and documented - sorry you missed it - here one of a hundred stories:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html
User: IHPF | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: Ok everybody! The tour starts in four days. This is the perfect time to discuss the war in Iraq. St.Al would be proud of all of you!
Hutch- The best thing about Late Night with Conan O'Brien is the band. Conan is not funny and is the worst interviewer I've ever seen (almost as bad as Carson Daily). I never thought someone who could "get" Steely Dan could ever like Conan O'Brien. Some of the skits on the show are pretty good. But Conan himself? Extremely juvenile and most pathetic. I didn't realize anybody out of the age group of 18-21 could really stomach him.
User: El Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message: DACW and all the others in the terror debate. Anyone who claims that it's justified for US troops to be present anywhere in the Middle East has it the wrong way round:
As long as they're there, there will be terrorism.
Folks, over the past half year we have seen the ancient Jew-Palestine problem being magnified.
Instead of just Palestinians and Jews, it's now all Old Style Muslims against the Americans. You'll hear less about suicide bombers in Israel, you'll hear more about 'em in Iraq and Syria and Yemen and Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Old Bin Laden is wringing his hand. It's exactly what he wanted...
I'm gonna try out a little metaphor here.
Imagine the eskimos claim California because they lived there one thousand years ago. They're backed by China. Then, coupla decades later, China puts up checkposts all over the US - around Madison Square Garden, around the Grand Canyon, around the Hollywood Bowl. Now, if the Americans would rise against that, wouldn't you say it would be a bit ridiculous if China then tried to rid the world of 'injustice'?
This is sorta what has been happening to the Middle East and it started with the crusades. The Americans took over the job from the English after WWII, but it's still prolonged imperialism.
The Bush II administration made it seem as if the terror threat is relatively new. They don't mention the fact that an airplane crash threat had been in the air for ten years, and that the idea stems froms the 1980s. They don't tell you that people have been burning American flags in the Middle East since the 1950s. They wanna make you think it's just a hype that can be wiped out by force. While force is exactly the thing that gives them this hated reputation elsewhere in the world.
The only way to peace is letting them sort it out by themselves.
Consequence: more expensive oil, and a problem for Israel.
Really, that sounds like less problems than we have now.
On my radio now: Jimmy Cliff
'Where was 007... On September 11'
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 19
Message:
Hutch - agree about Walter's bass on Blues Beach. Quite an angular, cheeky bass line - adds some nice twists to the song. Still, BB is my least-enjoyed tune from EMG. Give me Gina, EMG, GW, Green Book, Pixelene, Things I Miss...
DACW - "The Correct reasons for going into Iraq are fourfold (a) ties with Al Qaeda and active support with Al Qaeda Hamas, and the PLO terrorist organization, (b) massacre of 1.5 million including hundreds of thousand of his own people largely with WMD, (c) WMD which can be passed off to terrorist groups, and (d) it is an effective military strategy that chokes off monetary support"
I never saw evidence for (a) that was remotely plausible.
We've known about (b) for over 10 years, so why the rush to war at the beginning of 2003?
(c) - Yes, WMD could be passed to terrorist groups, but again there was scant evidence of that happening in Iraq. Iran, North Korea and others surely pose bigger threats?
(d) - fair enough
point is, these weren't the reasons given in the build up to war! The justification is being changed day by day. There have been positive outcomes, though the real test will be in the next 5 years or so. Things might, just might, work out better in the long term in Iraq, but we can't use that as a way to excuse the flawed reasoning that led us in to the war.
The MOD expert in biological weapons in the UK who was at the centre of the row about how much of the UK intelligence was "exaggerated" in one of the dossiers has been found dead. A sad twist to the story - there will be a lot of explaining to do.
Howard
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: that read as if i meant lil' kim won the aretha franklin award. it was ashanti. ditto fifteen second song...
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: proud to have hosted members of the temps, the tops, o'jays, and whispers post-show at our little gig tonite ! they claimed to be holding up the buses until we finished... on the break, we took control of the club sound system and hit 'em with that new steely flava' ! well, let's just say for those who doubt the grooves of emg ? to a man, temps, tops, 'jays, whispers, the universal groove apparent. a soul dynasty just shut you down...
now hutch, ashanti ain't got nuttin' on lil' kim. despite controversy surrounding her receiving the aretha franklin award (presented by either bet or ebony, i can't remember) to the effect that her teeny voice could never touch an aretha pianissimo, that is a pretty catchy fifteen second song she keeps repeating. but even mainstream beyonce's recent 4th of july appearance was termed to "clearly cross the line of appropriateness" by the grant memorial association", with all the pelvic thrusts and whatnot. the showstyle is most definitely all 'bout da booty. this, while the best soul divas like angie stone, jill scott, or kelly price would be lucky to get that level of media attention if they were run over by a car...
User: king of world | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: The Kurds I was talking about were those in the protected zone. Most of that time they were not being attacked with chemical or any weapons, and were left alone for the first time in decades. I took all that from a long news segment or documentary where they travelled around Iraqi Kurdistan, and interviewed various people, including its one internationally known filmmaker. Someone mentioned Turkey-- Turkey is more paranoid about Kurds than Iraq, and isn't a safe place for Kurds. None of this affects anyone's arguments on the war(s), but i thought i may as well clarify.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: DACW - I caught that Daily Show segment last night too. I was rolling on the floor. That show and Late Night with Conan O'Brian are the funniest shows on the tube IMO.
By the way, that woman Robertson was holding hands with is his co-star on his little "700 Club" racket. She mumbles in tongues while he fervently prays. And now his son has joined the family business as well. Looks like an absolute clone of his father.
I noticed that right after 9/11 all these religious nuts kind of laid low for a good while. Guess they didn't want to be associated with "religious fanaticism." Or maybe, to paraphrase Mel Brooks, they just wanted to hold on to their phony baloney jobs.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Hutch: even I'll have to admit the "gift shop" part of Betty Bowers' site is as funny as it gets - very clever:
http://www.cafeshops.com/bettybowers/104850
Hey, let's leave Kobe Bryant alone! What's all this fuss - I mean another selfish, clueless athlete?! I'm shocked! This is Kobe's private life. It's just all about sex...let's move on America! If he only had a Preparation H factory in the Sudan to bomb!
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Hutch: I saw that last night on Comedy Central's Daily Report. Yeah, Mr. Big is on an Earthquake Moratorium in order to take a little time nudging a justice over the edge, skipping a dimension...their report was hilarious...and the clip of Robertson holding the hand of a young woman beseeching the Lord to give the call to Mr. jordan a bit early was one of those Suspension of Disbelief moments...
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: This is way too funny...
http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_prayersquad.html
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: sorry re: double post...hurrying off to beat "Tsunami"Moto in Tiger Woods' Golf 2003 PlayStation challenge with the kids...
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: down to a soundbyte, eh? Who am I speaking to, Congress?....well ya got it...
Simple. Saddam was a terrorist. The ultimate in terrorism, as he "laundered" the terrorist support...how about that "Publisher's Clearing House" check picture with the family of a boy who blew himself and dozens of innocent Israelies up...THAT was a humanitarian act...
Oh, yes the days of wine and roses in Kurd-istan"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92237,00.html
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: down to a soundbyte, eh? Who am I speaking to, Congress?....well ya got it...
Simple. Saddam was a terrorist. The ultimate in terrorism, as he "laundered" the terroris support...how about that "Publisher's Clearning House" check picture with the family of a boy who blew himself and dozens of innocent Israelies up...THAT was a humanitarian act...
Oh, yes the days of wine and roses in Kurd-istan"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92237,00.html
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: DACW - I've made no argument today. I know better than to even try. I just wanted clarification. And I'm not sure you answered my second question. Why is that?
I will point out though that if we didn't consult the U.N. before invading every country we *suspect* of aiding terrorists, we'd become terrorists ourselves. We'd be no better than Saddam's Iraq when they invaded Kuwait.
Somebody'd better warn Mexico and Canada.
User: Free@Last | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: "My beef with Bush is that the War on Terrorism has been fought with too many political overtones." ........fingers on buzzers last war without same? ..........DERRRRRR
And DACW ?? get your point over in less than 2000 words pls
User: a condescending Sting song...will teach you nothing | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: t: Ours. Al Qaeda's not dead yet. Iraq was the leading supplier for money and weapons to terrrorist groups with the specific intention of killing innocent civilans. Only China would rivial the number of innocent people killed by Iraq and terrorists since the end of the Cold War. I would use the map as I suggested..otherwise to take your argument to the extreme - why invade Burma in World War II and why blow up the Bridge Over the River Kwai (Qwai)? But you mindset, while naive, is a product of Bush's major mistake #1...go shopping! Travel to DisneyWorld - help out 'ol Jebby...having said that, Joe Lieberman is the only Democrat that Gets it (even though they all voted to go the UN route) He is in desparate need of a "B-12" shot though...Besides the tax cuts, which are necessary to promote growth stimulationi - I'd like to see an economic PLAN...is that too much to ask? I think Joe can do it...
User: tones | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: DACW - just a couple things...
Whose self defense were you refering to?
And do you really still think Bush's motives were based on humanitarian reasons?
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Wormy: Unfortunately, Albuquerque is in the middle of the week - v ery unlikely I can make it now...It's Dallas or bust....just got left side tickets twenty something rows back. I had 4th row, but TicketBastard kicked me out during donfirmation...They must be ex-IRS agents or middle level bankers - With the exorbitant "INconvenience" fees they charge I had to settle for next best seats...
Hey, we'll take Blair if England doesn't want him!
My beef with Bush is that the War on Terrorism has been fought with too many political overtones.
(1) W established resolve and long-term commitment in fighting global networks of terrorism. It's as tough a task as when Rudi went after the Mafia. He (in then State of the Union 2002) and Blair have correctly linked terrorist networks with countries like Iraq, Iran, and North Korea who habe provided money or weaponry with the greatest capacity to do so. Pakistan, who founded the Taliban, was convinced to fight in our side. The Sauid Royal family is large than the Kennedy's and must be managed in a complex manner...the current withdrawl is a good idea.
***However, we've made little effort to secure the borders and beef the INS...The head of the INS is still a Paine Webber CEO or something...
***First response teams and strategies seemed chaotic in terms of coordination for a long time.
***While the President early on clearly articulated the length and difficulty of the war on terrorism. However, he told the American people to go about our business, shop travvel, etc.
I would have told the American people the complete truth...politically members of the Bush team figured (a) WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH and (b) they were trying to prop up the market and the economy.
A better strategy would have been better people than Harvey Pitt and now Jack Snow...Robert Rubin was marginally corrupt, but instilled a lot of confidence in the business world.
The TRUTH is that this is WORLD WAR THREE...NOW....much different than ONE or TWO...REad the news, malls are already closing right and left...last call for a decent mutual fund was August 2000...With global terrorism enabled by the West since the 1972 Olympic games and the devastating attack on 9/11 (estimated direct and indirect const is over 600 Billion), this was INEVITABLE...but Bush II has a bit of a politcal wimpy side like his Dad. I think at that time immediately post 9/11, we could have handled that reality...
(2) The military conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq went tremednously well. Now we have problems based on the first politcally motivated mistake above...the biggest problem is not the controversy over the uranium movement from Africa (Niger) and the intelligence - the statement is correct as stated - British intelligence stand by), it's the GUERRILLA WAR we are facing now with the combined forces of Saddam's men and Ql Qaeda
While there was pressure in the media and whiners in Congress, moving into Iraq is the CORRECT military move. Why? Look at a map of the MidEast. Note that Iraq bisects Iran and Syria. Note that Iran, which has a terrorist theocracy on the verge of collapse, is now being squeezed between Coalition occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. You bet that we have covert operations including Special Forces going on in Iran right now after Al Qaeda and designed to help the protestors topple the gov't which is attempting to fake peace by pretending to offer Ayman Al Zawahiri (the baddest of the bad) and other Al Qaeda inside Iraq). Even though we have not found Osama or his body, he's dead...ashes at 10,000 degrees. Saddam on the other hand is extraordinaryily slippery and a born survivor and planner - he's alive IMO and coordinating the Guerilla War with Al Qaeda operatives. Remember, we captured biggie Al Qaeda leaders and found numerous Al Qaeda troops in the recent Iraq "war" all over both northern Iraq and with the Feyahadeen (sp?) in southern Iraq (British ID'd them first in the South)...and we know that Al Qeeda trained at the Salman Pak site using Boeing jets...
The Kurds that survived the CHEMICAL WEAPON attacks and were in the autonomous areas in northern Iraq (not occupied by Saddam's forces) or in Turkey were the only Kruds who obviously did well in the 90s...
I believe Kuwait would have gone along without a UN negotion, which I believe was a mistake. If one does not make mistake No1 above, then there is little pressure to go the UN route. There's no doublt Saddam had weapons in 1998. There's no doubt he's used them to kill hundreds of thousands. Even a shred of common sense about human nature indicates that Stalinist-like (Saddam's favorite reading) dictactors never give up weapons or power unless massive force is applied. Saddam kicked out the inspectors in 1998 and continued to make WMD and was attempting to reconstitute a nuclear arsenel. Traces of sarin and ricin chemical WMD were found in the Euphrates...in a Mosque in England tied to Iraq...gas marks galore found below Baghdad...
A major problem with the UN route is we had to telegraph most of our moves. Saddam had 6 months to come up with
(a) a Guerrilla War plan with Al Qaeda post-big conflict
(b) places and strategies to move WMDs (hide, bury, distribute to Syria, Iran? Al Qaeda? I believe that this delay has created dangers that could have been avoided or better said at reduced risk...I'm more concernd about WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY vs. didn't we know that Saddam just through them away of his unilaterally because he's a Nice Guy?!! Saddam's our hero! Puhleeeeze, let's get a grip on reality...
A country should never have to petition the UN when self defense is the issue. This is especially true because without the US they are an embarrasingly inneffective group. There are currect 40 armed conflict in the world today - a typical number. Note how they are doing nothing. Also note their lack of support in a mulitlateral solution for North Korea. Here we have no choice because of relationships with South Korea (same people as North Koreans - families are still split, China, and Japan.
The Correct reasons for going into Iraq are fourfold (a) ties with Al Qaeda and active support with Al Qaeda Hamas, and the PLO terrorist organization, (b) massacre of 1.5 million including hundreds of thousand of his own people largely with WMD, (c) WMD which can be passed off to terrorist groups, and (d) it is an effective military strategy that chokes off monetary support (including the disgraceful OIL FOR FOOD evil scam perpetuated by Kofi, France, Germany, Russia) and supplies to terrorist groups including Al Qaeda, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah.. Blair articulated the broad implications well - Bush's mistake was to focus on WMD in the 2003 State of the Union. Although Powell spelled out the overal strategy more adeptly, the UN route required the WMD tie. (1) and (2) have been proven and (3) will be soon...
The UN route mistake (which Clinton would not have made - though he may have tried to micromanage the ground troop deployment disasterously) is compounded by our lack and/or very poor planning in post convential military conflict Iraq. We are only becoming prepared for Guerrilla War and have had difficulty finding a leader like Karzai in Afghanistan...
A more appropriate question is was the UN route chosen to give us time to increase troop deployment OR to aid in the 2002 election...now Daschle and tother bonehead Dem leaders grabbed the bait like a striped bass with a lobotomy...I think its more clear than ever that the average IQ in the Capitol Bldg is about 80...OK, 81 now that Strom is gone..
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: YGK: Dreadlocked dude? I'm lost as an Eastre egg bro. More colour sil vouz plait. And yes, the gig last week was the best the band has played live to date. Good job Malcolm. Pharma still there, still strong.
Cave of Altamira: It was actually Ms. Leonhart that told me herself that Victoria would be part of the babe choir triumvirate. Go figure.
Great weekend everyone!
Aus
User: king of the world | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Don't SD avoid doing songs live that can't be retooled for a jazz band? "King Of The World" might not survive the attempt if they even thought it was possible or desirable. It'd probably be far less scary in jazz form, as well. I love how 'cinematic' that song is, and how you could actually write from it a science-fiction story or novel. It just occurs to me, though, that it's a bleak SF "novel" that takes up one moment in time. You'd need that horrible moment talked about in the song to be the beginning *and* end of the "movie". you couldn't come up with a more effective beginning OR end, and trying to have it be both, then filling in the middle with... what? would water it all down. So, a one-minute movie.
Iraq War--- I suppose the fact that they haven't found anything doesn't mean it isn't there. If we were successfully invaded, whatever stashes of whatever that our military must have wouldn't be easy to find, either. Iraq is half to two-thirds desert.
I'm not 'for' the war, and the only connection "our" government seems to have to me is that the war is putting pressure on their capacity for sending me Disability checks. But when the powerful and insane-yet-functional act in this world, saying whether it's right or wroing seems to missing the point, a bit, since our judgement doesn't have much impact on what they do. If a couple of big wild animals fight, or dinosairs in some Sunday morning old movie, I don't judge but wonder if any good might unexpectedly come out of it.
The nineties are what the Kurds refer to as their "golden age". Really. Their culture, and sense of identity, security and self-worth have shot way up. That was a great side-benefit from the Gulf War, last time. In Afghanistan, it was about us, yet the Taliban were driven out. Worth it I think. Who knows, this time?
********
Re Bushfire... his weiner was reported unharmed... he drove away in it. Bill has of course already confirmed this. Believe it or not, any other jokes I though of this time were even worse than that.
Conga line longer than a telephone wire aka t-bone? (my references are eating each other alive, to no clear purpose)---
Sad about NYoung CD re-issues being continually yanked out from under us. I figured he must've given up on Decade 2, since that was a big reason he re-signed with Reprise, then it didn't happen. Yet, I heard many obscure recordings set to go into Decade 2 being talked about in Rollin Stone in 2000. A few days ago, I was playing Re*ac*tor on tape full-blast in the car-- uncharacteristic but necessary, meandering around bombed-out North Chicago, Illinois. Then 2VN.
User: wormtongue | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: St Al
would love to meet you and Wu in Dallas or even the Memphis gig closer to home, but my time with my kids comes first
I'll be off in the mountains and deserts of NM,Co,Ut,Ar
you should consider seeing Widespread in New Orleans
they do a few very long shows around Jazzfest and Voodoofest in late OCt
these usually sell out immediately (1st day and mostly out of towners (Atlanta fanatics needing some big sleezy)
User: tones | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Happy trails St. Al... give a wave if you fly over the bay area...
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Wormy -- you should consider Dallas as well...
I just scored Widespread Panic tickets!
Oh dear, I'd better not talk about something other than Steely Dan.
Alright gang -- I'm outta here. Vacation is about to start. If this place blows up it'll probably stayed blow'ed up until I return next Saturday...
Have fun. Play nice.
StAl
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: just scored 7th row left section at Albuqueque
not bad considering my friend and I are together and when I tried singles I only would be two rows closer (hate those scalpers, locked up vip promo sections etc). I was in the first 20 seconds and have t1 connection here at work, so they had a lot of reserved section or don't know how to do best available. Remember the days you stayed overnight and partied at the box office or ran down general admission shows. Oh well, not bad
You doing New Mexico Dr Wu???
Here's hoping King of the World gets it's true debut here!!!!
wormy
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: "A beat and some dopey, sexy lyrics is all that's needed to become a big star these days folks" ... But how many shine on brightly for 30 yrs +
Have a good weekend steely folks ...
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: I want that Gina lunch Box.....it's forever.... ;-)
(could I get signatures from the principals involved, please?) LOL
Tones: Man, you should see Soundstage on HIGH DEFINITION. It is just too fabulous. I walked into Master Control and thought I had died and gone to heaven (and that was just Tom Petty). Beautifully shot stuff. Next Thursday, Michael McDonald (and some other Doobie Brothers along for the ride?). Yes, I agree, Steely Dan would be a perfect fit for this show, but what do we know....
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: wormy: give me a few hours to figure out my deal
my bet: king of the world on this tour
User: Eleven Whacky Discarded Merch Items | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: Steely Dan Gold Watch with little Keith Carlock's arms a clockin'
Signature Jim Pugh touring gloves
A "Meet Mam'zelle Mizelle" Calendar
Pixeleen Optical Mouse Mat
Lorne Greene AudioBook - Best Of Burroughs
Walter Becker Bopping Head - Japanese Anniversary Edition
Groovetime Hats
Gina Lunchbox
Irving Azoff Yes Man
Face Time mints
Gosh Golly Ghouly Godwhacker Goo
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: One of the ever growing list of "single name" hip hop singers performed on the Today show this morning... "Ashanti"
Now don't get me wrong. I'm no prude, but I must say the only difference between her stage performance and a strip show was that she didn't take her clothes off. And of course you had the standard "backup dancers" behind her reinforcing things by feeling each other up and all but throwing down right there on the stage.
A beat and some dopey, sexy lyrics is all that's needed to become a big star these days folks.
Been really digging Walter's bass line on Blues Beach. Funky and understated. Right smack in the pocket!
User: Beers | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: dunc; No longer missing ... Body found in Iraq expert search
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: MoD expert goes ''missing''
How convenient Tony
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076801.stm
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 18
Message: And any ways Donald & Walt are big Stevie Nicks fans too ... what do ya think FM was written about ?? no josshin at all :)
User: Lets form a big strong line, and get in time... | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: King (or He Who Is Left On The Rio Grande) - Kneel's cds have been postponed until next month, which is nothing considering they were reviewed as "new releases" in Rolling Stone 5 years ago and never came out... And then there's "Decade II", which will actually be "Decade IV" if it finally comes out in the next few years.
Can't wait to hear Re.ac.tor again; it's been awhile...
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: an award of and in the moment:
"steviedan funkingroovee album of the [moment]" (patent pending)
"love bug" by jazz organist reuben wilson (blue note rare groove series)
jazz-funk originals and delicious covers like "i'm gonna make you love me", "i say a little prayer", "stormy", "hold on, i'm comin'". joining reuben on this gem from '69 ? why mister lee morgan, mister george coleman, becker-fave grant green, international idris muhammad, rounded out by jimmy lewis on ELECTRIC bass. now, if you're thinkin' how nice that bass sounds with that b3 on a sam and dave cover, then you would be thinkin' righteously...
User: All we need is music, sweet music, There'll be music everywhere... | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: That Soundstage show was one of the best *looking* programs I've ever seen. It must've been high def because it was really popping off my modest 'ol analog tube. It looked almost 3-D.
And the sound quality was A++. That would be the ideal program for the Dan to play if they were so inclined
User: Steely Dan-cing in the streets | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Russ - good catch back there. I thought I heard a "Sail the Waterway" mirage in the overture on the 2000 tour. Nobody's confirmed that though...
User: summer's here and the time is right... | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Hey... watching Soundstage with Alison Krauss and Union Station! Best music I've heard on the tube in ages!
Thanks angel!! ;-)
And the tour starts next week. Things are looking up...
User: C @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Emmanuel - invade Greece? I am in, I guess it's not impossible finding an excuse for the war. That olive-oil you mentioned, couldn't that be used as fuel for... donkeys?
That alone is one good reason for turning that country into a parking-lot.
Can't wait for that smooth Retsina.
---
King of the World - um, yeah, shaped like an enormous hot dog... make sense.
User: This just in: | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: "President" George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were both rushed to the hospital with 2nd and 3rd degree burns on their legs, buttocks, and genitals when their pants spontaneously combusted following a press conference where they defended intelligence reports concerning alleged Iraqi WMD.
Film at 11:00...
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: DOE, you got something against Peter Green? Or Bob Welch? (not the Dodgers pitchers) Pick up a copy of Big Town 2061.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: I can't keep the Steves strait. SteveeDan.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Yo StevieDan - I mean get yourself one of those "fold-out" minikeyboards that the Donald uses on the Confessions video when they seranade that babe. Or your concertina. We can do a short set in the parking lot for the first big show on the 23rd. I'm thinking it kicks off with "Lady of Spain", the Sinatra medley, "Tush" and out with "He Ain't Heavy". No SD, that would be disrespectful. OK, maybe The Fez.
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: ygk - try this email - (deleted old one to eliminate 300 spam mails a day)
how are you
lp - Manchester - if you want to buy my tickets, they are game
let me know
angel - I'm teasing with Victoria
Potter I would love to see
everyone else googles at Miss Leonhart
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: wormy - email is down at work - no IT guy here either so i'm stuck
government...
use yahoo address above, take out spam
hi all - deep thoughts for a deep cut...hmmm...
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: St. Al: Hubby really liked your comment yesterday.... ;-)
I turned down Fleetwood Mac tickets for the same reason. A little Stevie Nicks goes a long way. Too much of her and I have problems.
Wormy: I knew you would be upset about the lack of Miss Cave, on this tour. ;-)
2 day Central Coast vacation coming up on Wednesday and 1 week to go for Paso Robles....
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Now THAT's funny! TouchT' to you even though I set you up to begin with.
Geez, that does present a problem though. I wonder if my wife knows?
Also, knucklehead, I haven't blathered on about Dave Matthews in years. Frankly, his last two albums have been unimpressive. Haven't seem them live since 2000.
The Grateful Dead -- now that's a different story. I will always blather about them even though Jerry's dead, man...
And before you bash the Dead again, don't forget the two longest running Steely Dan websites trace their roots back to the Dead -- Jim's digest and this site.
Rajah: Though it may seem I'm cranky today, I'm really quite relaxed. See, my mind has already slipped into full-on vacation mode, which "officially" starts in 27 hours...maybe sooner...
StAl
User: IHPF | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: DOE- Don't mind St.Al. He put up this site as a goof years back. It took off a bit so he kept it up. He's really not that big of a fan. He's always putting the boys down and would much rather be chatting about Dave Matthews or the Dead. The one thing I didn't know about St.Al until I read his reply back to me yesterday, was that he is gay.
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Pat i sent you some mail to your work addy.
on not as the case may be, perhaps i ment to send it.
i may have dreamt the whole thing, this diet's making me crazee
mamma said it would !!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: StAl - Did Mr. Grumpy get off the wrong side of the rack this morning? C'mon buddy, turn that frown uuupppsidedown and let's get happy. How do you feel about trickle-down economics?
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: DOE: No, what's funny is how people like yourself take Steely Dan so serious as to suggest we discuss nothing that isn't directly (or "tangentially") related to Steely Dan.
How perfectly boring that would be!
Now, if you no likely -- GO AWAY. It's quite simple, really.
Boy, I see we've trotted out 2 of StAl's hotpoints today. Care to discuss politics?
LMAO,
StAl
User: Aja.........................still not working | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Salad Fields-you can't be who I think you are, 'cause I agree with you completely.......
Rajah-couldn't agree with you more on Ms. Nicks. Pleasant-sounding voice when she was younger, but too thin and weak to think it would last this long.
Crossing fingers for "Pixeleen". With all the fan support we've given Carolyn, are we still banned from her guestbook? LOL!
Back to not working,
Aja
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Hey Audi - man the Pixeleen should be on the list but I'm getting the thumbs down from those in the know. I've been told Donald is reticent to sing the high stuff live...you know..."dancing in the video with gun and tamborine". On the album itself, it sounds like he starts this phrase off but drops out around "vi-de-o" and let's Carolyn carry the ball. Personally, I don't mind this at all. Carolyn deserves this shot, that girl has an incrediblly clean and sleek sound. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't pen this with her in mind, specifically and consciously. Check her out on the last cut of the CD included in the latest JAZZIZ Magazine. She keeps great time and is just naturally sexual in her execution... no tease, just please.
User: Audi TT | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: FM was a decent band until they hired B'ham and Nicks, although I will credit those two with the ability to write pop songs.
Anybody that leaves port 135 open to the outside world is nuts anyway.
Aja is their greatest song, anybody that uses it for a bathroom break has no sense of taste and should see a doctor they trust. I really really hope its on the setlist, but I have my doubts. I'd like to hear (not that it'll ever happen) Midnite Cruiser, both Gold Teeth, King of the World, Major Dude, Dr Wu, Caves, News, Gaucho, Babylon Sisters, Goodbye Look, Teahouse, 2VN, WOH, everything from EMG and a cover of "Stone Soul Picnic". Walter can sing SOA. And Hat too Flat. They also better damn well play Pixeleen and let Carolyn soar on it.
User: Russ | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: EMG down to #76 on the Billboard albums chart this week
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Wormy: your email bounced - what's up - did Shell close? Everything must go.....indeed......
Aus: Dreadlocked dude at Chez on Saturday: CP3 (poet, 9th Ave. wanderer). His B-Day Celebrao Last Eve. We're gonna cover one o' his....how's your pharmaceuticals?
Lady B: When is that magical day? We're lookin at August..........CHA!
Thanx to everyone who made the gig Sat.....monumental eve.......
BTW: Anyone seeking a Core NYC "Tryin' to Sort It All Out" disc - we have our 2nd pressing back, shrinkwrapped, barcoded and ready....write me.....
ygk
User: DOE | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Funny how SD has a new album out, and yet on this board I must scroll down 1/3 of the way before finding anything related to the Dan.
The only way FMac should be mentioned on an SD board is to gripe about Aja's Grammy loss.
DOE
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Give it up Beersy, Ms. Nicks sounds like she swallowed sandpaper. She never could really sing except in a very limited range, I agree some of her songs are classic, but she did not take care of her instrument. Christine McVie was the soul of that band.
User: Beers in armour | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Nicks, she of the flowing shawls and dervish dances, was bewitching on the songs in which she sang lead (e.g., "Rhiannon," "Gold Dust Woman," "Beautiful Child"). She took some of her most notable vocals down an octave (the choruses in "Dreams" and "Rhiannon"), but her singing was overall solid and, as always, seemingly smoked in sage. .....
it/she still works for me
User: NYB | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Pat,
I always thought that Stevie Nicks sounded like she had a real bad smoking
habit. Kinda' like Wendy O. Williams with a bit more class? All in all
I really do like Fleetwood Mac though, but without Christie Mcvie it
wouldn't be the same.
King Of The World,
George Bush passed me on ocean parkway yesterday in his hotdog mobile.
He must have been doing 90. I saw him at the beach later that day trying
to pick up a couple of teenage girls. Looks like your theory is correct.
Michael,
Thanks for the advice.
I wound up buying the Martin DC-16RGTER (R = rosewood, GT = Glosstop,
E = Electric Pickup) from Guitar Center over in Carle Place. They had
the same one at Sam Ash but thier price wasn't as good and thier staff
seemed disinterested at best. Got it for $1425 out the door with the
hard case and humidifier. Normally retails for $1939 I think, so I got
a good price on it. I tried out a few Taylor guitars and they sounded
great but I feel they are a little too bright for my liking and they
don't seem to have the really deep resonating sound of a Martin.
Believe it or not, I plugged in an Ovation Balladeer and it sounded
nearly as good as the Taylor plugged in. The Ovation was something like
$700 bucks and the Taylor was over $2000. Unplugged though the difference
was obvious. The Ovation is probably okay for live performances but as
a stand-alone instrument they sound cheap. I guess you get what you pay
for. I really liked the Martin D-28 but it has no cutaway and no electric
pickup but the sound was exceptional. Considering they have guitars all
the way up to 20 grand I feel the DC-16RGTER is a great acoustic for the
price. I played it for a few hours last night and just couldn't put it
down. Thanks again for steering me over to Guitar Center rather than
Sam Ash.
Bill
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: WIP: I would have gone to see Fleetwood Mac if it not for two things. No Christie McVie and Stevie Nicks is still trying to sing. Tell me, doesn't it sound to you like someone kicked her square on in the throat just before she went onstage? I know this is the way she sounds on the album and there she benefits from studio magic... And it AIN'T magic for sure.
Reason NOT to Switch: As soon a people actually start using the MAC I'm sure they'll find 79346 security flaws and other problems.
Maybe more.
Of course, I'm excited as hell about having less choices and an ego maniac dictating those choices to me, which is what you get with Apple. Oh, and I really LOVE paying more for less.
Duncan: Zappa what? Did I miss something?
User: king of world | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: t-bone---
got mashed potatoes? That Kneel Jung album just finally came out on CD, after 20 years. Though that probably isn't where your name comes from. Thanks for welcome.
royscam---
thanks for the comments on EMG lyric content. I'd like to see more of that. I never did get around to going through my three stages of interpretation for "What A Shame About Me".
Clas---
Yes, giant animals and puppets stalk the countryside of the US of A. Giant, twenty-foot-high, rotund seven-year-old boys with too much glop in their hair guard the entrances to hamburger restaurants. Jealousy over the Popemobile has influenced the President of The United States (though the post is currently unoccupied) to construct his own version, shaped like an enormous hot dog, in which he speeds around the four corners of this great land of ours, trying to pick up chicks. He also gets points for mowing down luckless pedestrians. If he accumulates enough of these points, he automatically is awarded another term in office.
User: Emmanuel@Kazaa.com | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: More nooze...
Kazaa and Grokster usage down 15 procent last month, as a result of the RIAA manhunt.
Don't know if this is news to anyone, but the RIAA apparantly sued telecom provider Verizon in the US, over the identity of four individual Kazaa clients who were sharing tens of thousands of songs. They won.
The fine per song can go from $750 to... $150.000... Yes, per song...
And this is where you can tell we're still two different countries: the Dutch copyrights organization will not sue users just yet and sticks with 'providing information'. Hurriaa!
User: Emmanuel, Going Down With The Rest Of Ya | Month: 6 | Day: 17
Message: Looks like the yanks have somehow managed to drag us down in the muck with them: Holland is considering sending troops to Iraq and 'doesn't take the threats from the Iraqis too seriously'.
Man, and I don't even drive a car. The only oil I use is olive oil. Anybody feel like invading Greece?
Clas, very honored, I'll put a CD together this weekend and send it off to you.
Hey what's 'Megabook administration'?
User: Salad Fields | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: ...We must hope a courageous Democrat is willing to step up and deal with the damage Dubya has inflicted. I don't know if that is possible judging from the sheer dollars Junior has at his disposal and the extent of the damage levied during his short tenure. He and his daddy's pals enrich themselves with every mortar and bullet fired. Don't you think it's odd that Saddam is missing? Saddam might as well be the Vice President of the United States. His ghost is a far more powerful motivator to the disenfranchised Iraqis than the invisible leadership of Haliburton can ever be to our troops.
So how does a person lacking a soul behave? If he is a human being with education he will seek direction. Too bad Dubya's handlers are just puppeteers with their own interests in mind. The poor sot never had a chance. A Bush blaming the CIA for his misinformation? Why not? Daddy used to run it and knows how to manipulate it for his own means.
I know this board is for the discussion of more important things...but really...what is more important than the preservation of our freedom and our rights? Both are being severely threatened by the present regime and you must have your eagle eye out to see through the diversionary tactics of the enemy occupying the white house. It's OK to be cynical and probably even recommended. I have seen the enemy and he has a big approval rating.
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Roy Scam - to paraphrase Woody Allen; even Roy Scam's less successful recording is absolutely perfect.
I am waiting.
And hey, thanx for emails, you guys, JayDubz, Gina, Stevee, Ken, Brett etc etc, it's like this is going to happen, the 4th edition.
Emanuelle? Are you in?
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And look what I found when I was turning leaves in my "American Slang Lexicon":
Bodacious - bold, great, good (from bold + audacious)
User: wormtom | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: hey roy - good to see you here more frequently
yes godwacker has his crosshairs on the Almighty One
or to put it not so eloquently
when the shit hits the fan, you run for the on/off switch
didn't Jacob wrestle with God in the book of Genesis
anybody catching the flaming lips/liz phair shows
auss and ygk - she's doing NYC in early August
I have tickets to see Suzanne Vega again
she's finally doing New Orleans after a 10 year lapse
last time Blood was making noise
I made a 74 minute cd for the car
EMG + live Babylon Aja then Snowbound and On The Dunes
went to 73:33 with :27 to spare
can't wait for the next traffic jam
serious about going to a pure analog front end -
any easy way to get TAN and EMG on lp?? preferably not ebay
wormtom
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Today, I heard both "Aja" and "Tommorrows Girls' on XM while at work.
Makes up for the shitty Paul Hardcastle version of "Do It Again." I hoped Don and Walt overcharged Paul big time for that one.
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: 5-D Laura Nyro songs~ also "Sweet Blindness, "Blowin' Away", "Time and Love".
Minor and Major checking in on the same day! It's like deja vu all over again. Good to see you folks. Slum by more often.
I heard "Green Book" on the radio this week. It was on a local NPR show called Rollie Radio, out of Norfolk I think. I usually only hear post-1980 Dan songs over the P.A. system at Kroger's (grocery store).
Clas~ I'll be on time and under budget on the compilation submittal. My son and I aren't exactly Donald Fagen in the perfectionism category. When we say, "That's a pretty good first take.", it means "Print it."
Okay, this is the official word just sent down from the mountain: "Godwhacker" is NOT about going after some self-important human (be it Bin Laden, Sadam, George W, Pat Robertson). It's about going after God. My question is, are D & W completely ridiculing the idea of getting angry at the supreme being, or are they, within the silliness, actually sympathizing with it? I mean everybody occasionally gets pissed about the arbitrary insensitivity of it all.-- For a highly listenable discussion of that very topic, I recommend Randy Newman's stage show, "Faust" (soundtrack is on CD.) James Taylor sings the part of God, and Randy sings the part of slinky you-know-who. Also includes Bonnie Raitt, Linda Rondstat, Elton John, and Don Henley. There always seems to be some Newman/Dan parallel in the burning river that is my mind.
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: I see albuquerque goes on sale 7/18
is there a presale for this or any show
hope to see you there DR Wu if you go
mountian escapes - can't wait
new tour - NO VICTORIA CAVE and NO CHRIS POTTER although Weiskopf or whatever his name is did a nice job on EMG
Aja - this song is great, extended and mystical
but unfortunately years back (90's) when they rolled this one out
many people decided it was the beer/bathroom break song
blasphemy I know, but some can't handle the subtleties a spectrograph would miss in a less than intimate setting
lp - email me on manchester
toodles from the topsoil
tomass of wormdom
User: Reason to switch # 79346: | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Microsoft admits critical flaw in nearly all Windows software
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/07/16/national1725EDT0732.DTL
Microsoft said the vulnerability could allow hackers to seize control of a victim's Windows computer over the Internet, stealing data, deleting files or eavesdropping on e-mails.
The announcement came one day after the Department of Homeland Security announced that it awarded a five-year, $90-million contract for Microsoft to supply all its most important desktop and server software for about 140,000 computers inside the new federal agency.
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"Hello, Steve? This is Bill. Look... we need about 350 Macs up here in Redmond ASAP..."
User: Russ | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Dancing fool,
I agreed wuith you on the list of songs but actually they did an instrumental version of The Fez as part of theuir "overture" back in 1993-94
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: St Al: Last Saturday I did the Fleetwood Mac show (not half bad and great looking women there, including my wife). This Saturday is Which One's Pink? and Sheer Heart Attack (see below). Next week is Steel Pulse at the Roxy (dig the music Mr. DJ). August W1P debuts in San Diego September is REM/Wilco @ The Hollywood Bowl and W1P in Agoura Hills. Since I'm A Fair Forgery of a Steely Dan fan, I got tix to the 10/2 show @ Universal.
On Saturday July 19, 2003, Which One's Pink?, LA's Pink Floyd tribute band, returns to Platinum Live, 11345 Ventura Blvd., Studio City (just east of Tujunga Blvd) 818.753.1771.į Which One's Pink will take the stage at 8:45 p.m. sharp followed at 11:30 p.m. by legendary Queen tribute Sheer Heart Attack in their first show in over a year and their only show in 2003.į Print out this e-mail and present it at the door for $2.00 off the price of admission.į Doors open at 7:00 p.m. and we highly reccommend that you arrive as early as possible to guarantee entry (because with Which One's Pink? AND Sheer Heart Attack on the bill, the show will sell out early).į
User: Eli, coming | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Emm - the 5-D did Laura's Stoned Soul Picnic, Wedding Bell Blues, Save the Country, maybe more...
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: The Audi TT. Did we make them do it? ;-)
Remember when they won the Grammy's in 2001? This quote comes from that letter, posted on the Steelydan.com website the following day.
"We understood that our people NEED us to occupy these grand-a-night suites, empty out these posh mini-bars, noisily entertain whatever fellows and fillies that can be rounded up for the occasion in the most raucous manner possible, zoom around town in hired mid-engine roadsters, top down in the sweet-as-Jesus evening drizzle, and generally do what we can to commemorate the tears and the years of the above-cited indignities, plus more."
User: Steve M. | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Reading all the build up to the US tour is making me rather wistful
Has a U.K (metal) leg been totally kiboshed or is there still some hope...what's the word on the street? (cue images of aging shoeshine guy in 'Police Squad')
Steve
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: I thought Stoned Soul Picnic was from the Fifth Dimension.
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: heard this yesterday...
makes you laugh, kind of
Title: 'STONED SOUL PICNIC'
Artist: LAURA NYRO
Album: ALTERNATIVE 60'S (VARIOUS ARTISTS)
Label: COLUMBIA
moll: E-mail me about a bowie cd i know have.
Pat: Zappa ?
just because, janes addiction ''SINGLE OF THE YEAR''
Now that's what i call a return to form.
ploughing through the dvd again tonight !!
the taxicab dvd makes them look like a couple of right sad old perv's, that scene where they ''run'' into the shop to fetch the fox statue had me gagging.
less is definatly more
User: Steely Dan-cing Fool | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Lol! St. Al. - ...and sideways too!
top ten songs we'll probably never hear live:
10. Sail the Waterway
9. Charlie Freak
8. Only a (steely dan-cing) Fool Would Say That
7. The Fez
6. Your Gold Teeth
5. Fire in the Hole
4. Through With Buzz
3. Oh Wow, It's You Again
2. Kulee Baba
1. 2nd Arrangement
ImaybetotallywrongbutI'ma...
User: IHPF | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Aja- Is that predction for The Steely Damned or Steely Dan?
User: Aja.............slow@work | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Oh yeah, OH YEAH! Never before played tunes!!!!!! My crystal ball says "2nd A", with a live album to follow...........
Aja
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: IHPF: I would except I hear you're going to be at the Dallas show and I've got something special in mind for you...
You like it with Vaseline or without?
StAl
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Dear Dr. - Whaddya mean about the Pugh? He's the one trombone player they ever liked. Please explain so even I can understand.
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Man, if Jim Pugh is going on tour with them, things are slower than I thought they were.
Thank God for the street deludin trade!
User: IHPF | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: St.Al- Go to the Dead show!
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Something stinks:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/938965.asp?vts=071620030950
Looks like Bush is going to buy this election too. Sickening...
Brett, DACW, looking forward to hanging with ya. A little pre-show party in Deep Elum maybe?
Just found out the Dead are scheduled to play the Gorge same day as the Dallas show. sigh...
Bela Fleck in August. REM/Wilco in September and Widespread Panic in late September. What are everyone's plans this Summer other than Steely Dan?
Bill: I saw JT back in the 80's - after he completely exercised his demons. Was a fabulous show. He sounded great then too. Nice small venue too. 3000 seater.
StAl
User: jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: They just added a date for the Roseland in New York. September 13th.
GOODY! I can come in on the 12th instead of the 11th, which would be a very bad time. Now, if I can only get my plans coordinated....
User: Mike | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Just got the tour info. I've been sweltering in the London heatwave for days, now I'm slobbering too. To top it all, they've finally announced ticket sales for Santa Barbara, so I'll be booking my flight this weekend. Living hard will take it's toll, but sometimes a man's gotta do ...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: One of my favs as well, Hutch, who cares if it's about da schmack. In that same vein, then, Dr. Wu and Hatian Divorce. Perhaps a Beckerian rendering of Here at the Western World?
I also sense... Turn That Heartbeat Over Again.
User: Dan Fan | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Oh man. You gotta check this out. The new Mandy Moore movie "How to Deal" has a character known as STEELY DAN FAN. Check out the cast list
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0319524
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Rajah - I've been wondering what the show opener will be. How about Time Out of Mind. One of my favorites and one I don't believe they've done live before.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: My crystal ball says: AJA, Razor Boy, 2vN, Gaucho
User: Clas - the High Diver from the Local Pool of Margaritas | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Emmanuel - Broadway Dutchies, alright!
Beerb - the weather, yes, oh man, it's hot. My poor dog is suffering, I had to give him a cold shower.
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Howard; I have a feeling the "frustration" will really kick in very shortly - when we start to get reviews from the lucky B******* who are going to see them in the US ... You would not believe the efforts I've made (in vain :( ) to try and get a visit to our company HQ in Colorado arranged !!!!!! PLEASE fellow GBers be gentle with us try not to holler and hoot too loud huh ?
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: SD Newsletter alert!
New info on the tour - personnel, new tunes to be played live etc. Check it out!
"New kids Cindy Mizelle (BG vocals), Keith Carlock (drums), and Walt Weiskopf (sax) join SD stage veterans Jon Herington (guitar), Cornelius Bumpus (sax), Michael Leonhart (trumpet), Jim Pugh (trombone), Tom Barney (bass),Ted Baker (keyboards), Carolyn Leonhart (BG vocals), and Cynthia Calhoun (BG vocals) to round out the '03 touring ensemble."
Talk of playing tunes they've never played live before is intriguing... if the first tour they ever play "Kulee Baba" on is the one where they don't come to the UK, I'll be very frustrated!
Howard
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Folks,
I took a cycle yesterday and played EMG twice on my trusty discman... So here's some more thoughts on some of the songs, from a 30 degrees Celcius velopedical viewpoint.
Things I Miss The Most
Unusual amount of slurring and breathing here from Donald. From some lines you can actually tell that Don finds the lyrics hilarious, but also that he tries to use his own voice as cool as possible. Great singer. Though I suppose if the first thing you ever heard from the Dan was the 'I kinda like frying up my sad cuisine' line, it would takes some getting used to...
Blues Beach
This keeps ketting better and better. I really love the endings of the verses. This is one of the meanest undercooled grooves I ever heard. My hands are itching to do a percussion-heavy remix!
Slang Of Ages
Could the whistles and hoots throughout this song actually represent crazy Dutchies?
Green Book
Oh man. What an absolute fantastic track. No Dr. Wareen, this isn't just close, this is spot on... Darker than the songs 'The Royal Scam' and 'Third World Man' put together. Funkier than 'Jack Of Speed'. Deeper under the skin than anything they've ever done man. It's Dan Noir, which really is the direction they've developed into.
The strange thing to me, lyrically, is the combination of Sci-Fi and sixties/fifties stuff:
Jill St. John, Kiss Me Deadly, Marilyn, a smoky lobby: invokes the past.
green Book, '4.0', flash ahead: invokes the future.
And then they even use the word 'anachronistic'.
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Rajah : First of all, I believe there are two 'Stealing Dan's - the one I saw in London goes by the full name of Stealing Dan (and Don).
They're a 10 piece band (inc horns, saxes, drums &other percussion as well as guitar, keyboard, bass and drums). My memory is a little hazy because of the amount of beer that had passed my lips, but I remember lead vocals being shared amongst two or three of the guys. Whilst they sang in an approximation of DF's style, I don't think anyone was trying to directly copy him, which worked ok.
The set was a good spread of Dan material, mostly pre-2vN and including the Nightfly. Songs included Pretzel Logic, Ruby Baby, Parker's Band, Deacon Blue, Second arrangement, Gaucho..
All in all a good night, audience was about 100 I think, and they're playing again in September.
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 16
Message: Clas; A little cooler here this morn ... A Brit is never happier than when discussing the weather LOL ...
User: Starchild | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Citizens of the Universe, Recording Angels.
We have returned to claim the Pyramids.
Dr. Funkenstein says
"Everything is on the one"
and it is so.
Everything must go
on the
1.
User: Everything Must Choke | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: I want the Best in Oral Sprays!
User: Steve Savicki | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Steely Dan and Donald Fagen solo were artists I grew up with because my dad listened to them as well. Therefore, I did links for both of them:
Steely Dan:
http://www.xsorbit4.com/users2/stevesavicki/index.cgi?board=2-1&action=display&num=1058231354
Donald Fagen:
http://www.xsorbit4.com/users2/stevesavicki/index.cgi?board=2-1&action=display&num=1058231769
Here is the main page:
http://www.xsorbit4.com/users2/stevesavicki/index.cgi
User: C @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Okay, 70 takes, that's about 7 hours, in actual working hours.
Even if it was snowing as hell in the studio that night, I find it hard to believe they recorded 70 complete takes.
/C
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Ah, Tones....too bad, would have been fab. :-)
Did do a double check on those 70 takes and unless Mr. Katz memory went hazy, that is indeed what he said in an interview. Not that this alone makes it true, but he was there, for the creation of Gaucho.
I am truly glad to see that Cynthia Calhoun will be touring with Steely Dan again this year. I just checked her web page and she does confirm what I saw posted over on the Blue Book.
http://www.cynthiacalhoun.com/gigs.html
User: p.s. | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Nothing beats the heat like a chocolate-banana milkshake... had one yesterday...
User: t-bone | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: ange - actually, the Bump is part of my physical therapy in preparation for dancing in the aisles... I've ben told to listen to EMG once a day until the pain is gone... seems to be working...
Doesn't look like I'm going to make it to Paso Robles though. I even got ambitious enough to think I might do both there and Konocti but I can't even get the days off work. So I'm in for Konocti only. Would have loved to hooked up with you in groovetime though...
Kingodawoild - welcome back buddy... yep, most of us are in EMG bliss here. And yes, *every single day for a month and a week* I've woken up with an EMG song in my head... It's steely-mania!
Wonder if I can still get one of DF's Coke cans...
peach
t
User: Clas | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Beerberian - it's hot, uh? I could use a pool.
Of Margaritas.
User: Clas | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Schwinn - I've been to USA, never saw those animals though, and Louisiana is so close to Texas. What I remember seeing was a crazy dog chasing lizards around and around a swimmingpool... I thought I was delirious, but the next morning the dog was still there.
The lizards not.
What does "Schwinn + 1" mean? Are you with children?
And for the Guestbook CD, you better get started (else I have to fill in the blanks with songs from Lapland, and we don't want that to happen, do we?).
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Howard - that sounds fair, the melody, the first notes, are altering between D and D# and A and C.
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SO, Howard and Schwinn, and everybody, here's the URL (or click above):
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Hey dbeefy - tell us more about Stealing Dan, i.e., what's their lineup like, what and how well do they play, and, how's the singer(s)?
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: BeerBBCerian, phew wot a scorcher... Apparently it's 31 in Cardiff, and I'm heading to Wales from the big smoke later this week, so am going to fry probably !
Trib bands - yes, saw 'Stealing Dan' about 2 weeks ago, and can well recommend them.. playing again in September I think.
DACW - Kama in reverse too? looks like you're starting a trend.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Monkey House: That's what I've been saying - it's a Memento thing where we go backwards from the Big Kablooie...BTW, Kamakiriad works great backwards as well!
I've listened to Carlock's other work which were on shoestring budget's...He's a human metronome...he does do a little interesting fill and I can hear him sway with the music on EMG, because it picks up and slows down oh ever so slightly in places...think of it more as a follow-up to Plush than TvN...could have let Carlock loose a couple more times like on the TvN title track...great work on the EMG title track intro thought!!!!!
User: Where did the Bastard run? | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Aussie- You said that Victoria Cave told you she was on the tour this year. Just read on the Blue she's not! I guess she bull-shited you.
Clas- Pro tools on EMG? Don't think so. Carlock is that steady!
User: BeerBBCerian | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: SCORCHIO ....
Forecasters predict this will be the warmest summer since 1995, which was the best for 50 years bar the heat wave of 1976. Last month the UK basked in one of the hottest Junes on record, and July looks set to be record breaker.
Since the weekend, parts of the UK have topped the temperatures in Bermuda and the Balearics. Shepshed in Leicestershire reached 30.5C on Sunday, and London's top temperature of 29.3C was one degree hotter than Bali. On Monday, the hottest day of the year so far, the mercury hit 31C -warmer even than Miami's 29C.
Have you made it to any Dan Trib bands yet ??
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Beerberian : in the middle of London, thankfully in an air conditioned office but 30 degrees outside...
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message:
Clas - when you say "that chord" in Green Book, I guess you mean the one that's played on the downbeat of the first bar of the verse?
Try this: D in the bass, then this for the right hand (low to high): D# G A D
Re: Tom Barney and funk, his part on Gaslighting Abbie always does it for me!
Howard
User: Beerberian Sunny Side up | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: dbeefy; Fellow brit ... enjoying the heatwave ? where located ?
DR K et al; A little too clinical peut-etre? It is music after all ... you guys make it sound like computer programming ... Do toons not just happen then ? please tell me they're not assembled in a soul-less vacuum ... I prefer to imagine the artist spontaneously creating at a whim ... Naive I know - but happy in blissful ignorance
Moll; "new" Alison Moorer - "Show" fine live performances of her best self-penned stuff IMHO - got the Ltd ed with DVD - Fine lookin' lady too ...
User: dbeefy | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: Monkey House - I've been thinking of playing EMG 'in reverse' also, am definitely going to try it now. Good call.
DACW - I've been catching up and getting into 2vN (didn't buy it first time round), I just thought it sounded completely different from EMG, whilst still being a Dan album. Couldn't put my finger on it, but your remark about 50s/60s and 40s Jazz seems spot on. At the moment, Gaslighting Abbie is superb, as is Janie Runaway, and the rest are sinking in very nicely.
Boiling hot summer here in the uk, EMG making a perfect soundtrack. As an aside, apparently the apocalyptic film '28 days later' is doing well in the USA, as mentioned here and some other places. EMG indeed. Final thought for now on a similar note. Watch 'Dawn of the Dead' and think of the survivors holed up in 'The Last Mall' !!!!!
dbeefy
User: Schwinn + 1 | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: St. Al: You will definitely see us in Dallas. I have my men on the case and so far everything is my own fault which doesn't affect you at all...
Clas: Have you ever seen Howdy Doody or Yogi Bear? You should come to America so I can show you animals only dreamt of in your philosophy. BTW, how's the GB compilation coming?
Everybody else from Everywhere imaginable: Just stay around here and you will learn what smarts is all about...
Man of Mass Protection,
SEMB
User: steviedan pleads the fifth | Month: 6 | Day: 15
Message: or wonders what all the pleading's about. the fifth is the least important, first and most-often substituted sonority in a major or minor triad. the fifth is predominant in the overtones of the tonic anyway and most players voice it lightly if they play it. i think howard's point is about the starkness of the bare tenth interval sans other non-bass doublings of the tonic, much less the fifth...
for some musicians, however the fifth is of upmost importance...
that is, the "liquid" fifth...
emm, see ? ANOTHER vote from jon for the exact same two records !
monkey house, that is an interesting point. reverse order... pyramidic...
angel, i think the key was contained in one of your moderndrummer quotes. light on the fills and tight to a click. and i'm sure our lords of the pings and chings get holed up in the tower of sound with the pro-tools of the gods. how could they resist ? but i trust them with the magic and that they can identify a groove when one is conjured...
additionally, i think there are more different kinds of funk than there are insect species...
User: C @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Ange - I think the reason Carlock is accused for sounding as a drum machine is: the "basic band" (guitars, bass, pianos and drums) recorded with a click. And then there were some overdubs on the drumpart; cymbals and stuff (and Fagen probably re-recorded his Wurlitzers, Rhodes and pianos after the sessions, in peace and quiet).
And more; anyone who's sitting next to a guy editing in ProTools knows that ProTools is a Magic Box, you can do EVERYTHING with an audio-file, and still it sounds not-edited.
My guess is, if The Two wanted 15 versions of each song for "having something to work with", there were a lot of "cut & paste" in ProTools.
I am not saying I don't like Carlock's groove, but it sure sounds "not human". The drums are sounding digital and clean.
No drummer is that steady.
User: Clas & Work | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: So, what's that chord in "Green Book"?
Left hand D, right hand A C D# ?
That kind of chord opening Doobie's "Takin' it to the Street";
Left hand G right hand F G# B D
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Hutch - are you recording?
Here's my address, snailmail:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
User: Monkey House | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Latest moment of clarity re EMG: It may be the only album I own that works better back to front. If you reverse the order, you get the best tracks in the first half + a better thematic flow: white collar crime, virtual sex, lechery, godwhacking and avarice climax in a 12-bar apocalypse. The title track even starts with an overture. Look:
1 everything must go
2 lunch with gina
3 pixeleen
4 green book
5 slang of ages
6 godwhacker
7 blues beach
8 things i miss the most
9 the last mall
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Howard, Dr. K: Steely Dan 1 is more about linear ear candy...Steely Dan is more tart - gin and roses...Rainey would have been cool on TiMTM, but Walter really shines on Slang...
Yes, Upbeat An-Nihilism
Bill: JT is a better singer in his 50s than in his 20s...must have been fab...
My Boston Acoustics A60s (too long for a line in TIMTM!) surrounds (black foam around the woofers) finally crumbled after 20 years...and to busy to listen at work...EMG-less for 5 days - and two more days until the repair kit is delivered...so can't listen, but I've noticed LOTS on nuances and surprise in the new one, whil a reaffirmation of 40s jazz, primarily Ellington, while TvN was influenced more by late 50s and early 60s cool jazz...
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: lp: I saw a black one the other day and had the exact thought. Nah....why enlighten them.
Tonesy, if you can bump, you can drive. You going to partner me next week? No unmentionable parts involved, though. Sorry. ;-)
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: just a quick post to say:
saw an audi tt in the parking lot in the national park, was going to stop the owners to tell them the story they are likely not privy to but said to hell with it - but it did have NY plates on it which was too good to be true, though it was red, i had pictured it to be a silver grey but what do i know
my email at work is down
back to lurking - too much going on up here in vacationland, sorry
User: Bump School | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Doc - good point. And it's a matter of degrees too, 'cause I'd definitely rate Rainey higher on the funkometer than Barney, though Barney's plenty solid on other things.
Funk test #2: Can you do the Bump or Double Bump to it. For those that don't know or are too young to remember, the Bump was a dance where you bounced your butt off your dancing partner's in time with the music. You "bumped" on the 1 and the 3, and more evolved double "bump" was actually a triple bump: you "bumped" on the 1 and 2, paused, then "bumped" again on the 4, then danced around four beats until it came around again. The really advanced would substitute various body parts (best left to your imagination...) for the butt.
Running EMG through the "Bump Test"* we find:
Last Mall - bump
TIMTM - no bump
Blues Beach - double bump
God Whacker - double bump
Slang - no bump
Greenbook - slow double bump
Pix - no bump
Lunch with G - classic double bump
EMG - no bump
So you see, quite a high bumpiblity factor overall... in fact, it scores better than the last couple Prince albums...
*results courtesy of the Ohio Players' Fopp Institute of Funk Studies
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: funk(- I think it goes a little deeper than that-it's called "musical taste", I shouldn't have used the word funk, I'm not bitching about EMG not being funky enough.
A great bass player "hears" the right notes, time, dynamics and feel to play.
Sure, Chuck Rainey and Tom Barney aren't as funky as Bootsie, but would Bootsie have laid down a better bass line on Aja etc...?
That might bring up a good point though.
Maybe the 2 boys wanted to make a kind of nihilistic party album- who knows what goes on in the cynical brains of rockers these days?
User: funk-t | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Dr. K. - If I might be so bold as to interject... real, butt-shakin', make-your-lip-curl, nerd kryptonite *funk* hardly ever comes from accomplished studio jaded bass players. Sure you can get a real competent approximation, but most of the time the player in question seriously needs to have a beer or whateva, literally or figuratively, and loosen up the groove. To me real funk is about making a groove so irresistible that your butt hears it before your ears. And it's all over EMG. As great as Tom barney is I've yet to hear him just get down with the m****rf****r the way Walt does on EMG. Funk really isn't about being perfect or tight, though it can be both. But without the emotion of the moment it just won't have that "bounce".
To cite an extreme example, note Stanley Clarke's attempts at funk. While he did find the real funk occasionally, it didn't come as naturally as it did to to Bootsy and bass players in bands like Slave, Tower of Power, etc. and so on... because that "bounce" is not something you can chart out. It's a personality thing as much as anything.
Here's a quick and easy funk test: I suggest turning up EMG (or your favorite dance music) as loud as the spouse and neighbors will let you, and see if you can stay on the couch for the whole album. I haven't been able to make it through EMG yet...
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: A few days ago, I was listening to XM at work. I turned to Watercolors that plays Smooth Jazz. (OKAY, SO I LIKE SOME PARTS OF SMOOTH JAZZ, SO SUE ME!) I came across an asinine version of "Do It Again" by Paul Hardcastle. The singing by the female vocalist lacks passion and could have used one of the Steely Dan tribute band singers.
Paul Hardcastle usually puts out some good stuff, but this was a low blow.
I would still recommend Watercolors, it has a very hot DJ named Trinity.
Is she as cute as the Carrie Anne Moss version of Trinity? You betcha'.
Just saw 28 Days Later yesterday. Brilliant, yet scary movie. A bit
apocalyptic. Maybe Dan and Walt can find some new songs from there.
User: NYBill | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Went to see James Taylor at Jones Beach Amphitheater back on July 5th
and had a really great time. Weather permitting, Jones Beach is one of
the better venues for a concert. The cool breeze off the ocean is great
for a summer concert.
James was joined by Steve Gadd on drums or as JT called him "The
equivalent of the Yankees pitching staff on drums...", along with
"Blue Lou" Marini on sax.
So was the JT concert any good?
He came out for 3 encores... He was phenominal!
If you get a chance to attend a James Taylor concert this summer it will
be money well spent.
Next up on the concert agenda is...
The Robert Cray band with John Hiatt and The Goners on August 1st.
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Angel: Only proves the point that people bitch -- period.
Is it true? Two old-timers posting back to back? What are the chances?
Minah: You've got an amazing memory. You can't possibly keep that shit in your head? You must have notes somewhere...
Maj: I can't imagine -- think of the car accidents that would cause? Mustn't frighten the motorists you know.
StAl
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Howard- Sure, there are nuances, but the basic songs themselves are just not as strong as their best work.
Case in point: I saw the Plush video, BEFORE I heard it on TVN, and just totally lost it for "Jack of Speed". That song was as strong as any of their best stuff. Now even though the 2VN lacked the funk of the Plush, it's still a great song.
I think it has to do with phrase length. I've just been reading a good new book called "What To Listen For in Rock Music" and the dude devotes a whole first chapter to this subject.
He uses some great examples throughout the book- Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", Doobie Bros. "What a Fool Believes" some good Chicago stuff and a lot more.
Anyway, you get the first phrase "Benny's rolling now most every night,
Skating backwards at the speed of light" basic Q&A type phrase, but then you get this magic "He's gone" and you go into a little string of modulatory ii V7s that just perfectly release the tension of the one chord static first phrase.
Anyway, just thinking of it and hearing it in my head makes my brain tingle, and that's more than enough for me.
I'm not saying that SD sold out or went in a wrong direction on EMG (other than not using Tom Barney or someone else whose basic function in life consists of creating solid, funkified bass lines that give the songs he plays on more life), but they just didn't come up with as inspired stuff as their better work, but I'll keep listening anyway- "Green Book" and "Pixileen" have some resonance.
Pragmatically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Yeah, except for that selling the soul to the devil thing!
User: Oh, and pardon me... | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Congratulations, btw!
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: W1P - "tones" Robert Johnson has a nice ring to it, don't cha think?
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Hutch: That synth note is the reason why I figured the other things going on, during that space of time, are caused by Mr. Becker. I most definitely noticed it and yes, tension. I love it.
I will have to check "My Old School" out. The one that comes to my mind, right off the bat, is "Green Flower Street" for tension building.
Regarding Carlock. It Steely Dan had used drum machines again, for this album, people would have been bitching about it. Instead, they use Keith Carlock, who does an incredible job of keeping time and doing exactly what Becker and Fagen ask him to do and there is still bitching. Remember, Gaucho took something like 70 takes and Gary Katz edited the heck out of that drum track. Give the guy a break here.
10 days to go. Clock everything you see.....
User: Jon | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: To Emmanuel:
I truly think that Where Have I Known You Before - Return To Forever
and Close To The Edge - Yes
still hold up.
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Heard the news about Benny Carter this morning on NPR as I was waking up. They had Phil Woods on saying a few words about him.
Angel - How about just 2 seconds! Check out that raspy note Fagen plays on the synth in Green Book from 4:40 to 4:42 at the end of his solo. He holds that note for four beats and cuts it off abruptly as the verse comes back in. Really builds tension.
That kind of thing is one of the nuances about SD's music that's always struck me. I like the way certain elements in the arrangement are allowed to sustain or extend just to a very precise point and then cut off. You hear it a lot in backup vocals. My Old School is the most obvious example.
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Benny Carter passed at the same hospital that hosted the birth of my Aja -- Cedars Sinai Oh and April's pregnant again so we're in the name game. If it's a boy, we must have Robert as the middle name (April's Dad). Right now the front runner for a boy is Marley Robert Johnson. Anyone care to chime in on the name game?
User: Beers | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: "I don't look back at the good old days. The good old days are here and now," he once said.
User: Benny Carter RIP | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Pioneering jazz musician Benny Carter has died in hospital in the United States aged 95.
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Clas/Emmanuel: my take on the EMG chords (at the start of the verse) is that the 3rds are definitely there - they definitely have a major flavour. But, for those F, G, F, Eb chords at the start of the verse section, I don't hear the 5ths being played on the keyboard parts.
E.g on the first chord after the intro (roughly 0:53) you have F and A but no C - i.e. F(no5th).
It's not going to ruin it to add the 5th, but I hear just F low on the keyboard, with the A a major 10th above. I think piano and Rhodes play the same here, and the bass just doubles the root F, so there aren't any other rhythm instruments thickening the chord out (the guitar is so staccato and scratchy it's hard to hear what it's playing - more like an alternative percussion part!).
Dr WK - I see your point. The way I see it (well, hear it) is that 2VN and EMG both have plenty of dissonance and spicy harmony, but it's a little more below the surface. It's easy to listen to the songs and only hear relatively plain (for SD music) chords - but often there are well-disguised chromaticisms and harmonic mutants a little under that surface. With Aja, Gaucho etc the rich harmonies, the clusters etc were much more obvious, and weren't disguised in the same way. The song "showed off" the harmonic variety in a more obvious way. Now, you have to listen out harder to spot all the quirks.
Howard
User: Maharadja's off the Case | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: Emmanuel - Howard's soon in from lunch, hold out.
/C
PS/ You mean they are omitting the 5ths, right?
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: I do think they're omitting the 3rd on the record, but they have a horn section at their disposal which I don't. So I'm just playing it on my old trusty piano with the full chords, no problem. By the way, anyone know the chords to the bridge part? I gave it my best shot, but I ain't got a lot.
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: "...I could use a little face time... in the service elevator... everything must go..."
And EVERYTHING must go... even that.
User: No juice... | Month: 6 | Day: 14
Message: ...trying to be clever;
JayDubz - where are you? Working on "Songs from the Canyon"? Good.
W1P? - pick whatever you want, you're the first.
Howard - I wrote "no 3rd", typo. Should be "no 5th".
Are you saying the fifths has to be excluded from those chords? I can't hear it. Or let's say, when I am playing along with the song it doesn't sound wrong to push the C in the F-chord, the D in the G-chord etc etc...
Emanuelle - "Close to the Edge"? Man, that was another time and another world.
/C
User: Get Going Poppie | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: But then again why would either one of 'em know Ann Margaret's almighty ass from Edward G. Robinson's elbow or even from Karl Malden's nose. Just listen to Ray Fagen's, umm, Ray Charles' version and you'll know all you need to about why Cincinnati figures mightily in Their Waterloo country!
User: Get Gone Postal | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: I was about to send my almighty ass to Jamtland but I heard that also Clas and Lars don't know about going postal taking a whack taking a whiz.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: ~: I'd like to - better acoustics and weather from the look of it, but it's more likely Dallas
User: mWorld | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Hey Maj¬: It's still not too late for Paso...grab your clubs and come on...
StPat: Methinks another guestbook anniversary is near...I gotta remember to pack those dues...
Hey Roy, how are you?
Oleander...we have more kids now, please send adequate syrup supply...I try to keep 'em out of the Windex¬ , but you know kids...
Hey to the rest of the old school...hope to see you at shows...
I lurk therefore I am,
mW
User: maj¬ | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Greetings Dansters....
Whats the word on Atlantic City at the Borgata? Tix sale date? Bill Cosby is slated there for Aug. 30. Tix on sale too.
Can't wait to see the billboard of D+W on the AC Expressway, big huge scowling faces and all.
WWSADWSIAT...
maj¬
User: king of the world.......................................................................................................................................... how much more do i have to type in here before it believes i've filled in all required fields? | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Damn. My transition period between servers coincided with the time everyone was hearing EMG for the first time, I guess. And reading two pages of posts was really pushing things, with this eye thing of mine. Was there any euphoria, I wonder, or venom-spewing, or anything? Sounds like everyone's used to the album, by now.
All of 2000 was tinged with 2VN for me, though... anticipation, then a dozen listenings before it all suddenly clicked (all the songs practically simultaneously), then one song going relentlessly through my head at all hours, replaced by another for a few weeks... the euphoria didn't kick in until long after it was released.
Dopes everyone here get jaded fast, or is EMG just not that impressive, or is the reaction going to build over time?
As for me, I operate in a different sector of the economy than most people, for health reasons, so I don't just rush out and buy CDs when they come out. I'm getting it through the library system (I hope). All I can say now is, not a good cover design.
User: | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: StAl: That's an interesting question in response to a par-oh-dee that goes after a few characters...Dean and a naive worldview and re: WMDs and Al Qaeda and the war on terrorism are just one. Dictators never give up a power unilaterally, especially after kicking out Inspectors...a better question - is who has some and where are they? Should someone hate another because of a different point of view (i.e., politic-ism)?
I don't hate Dean. He seems like an honorable guy with good enthusiasm. He's a fiscal moderate as I understand it anyway...and where were the peace-loving "liberals" when Clinton sent 450 Cruise missles into Iraq pre-9/11...cheering it on according to the Congressional record...
Human conflict will always be with us (heck, just look at the guestbooks stuffed to the gills with liberals - a continuing history of flaming), at least until the Vulcans land at First Contact. Today there are 60 disputes between countries and 40 involving fighting... We've been attacked by global terrorism and terrorist networks and their supporting countries are obvious bad guys...each must be dealt with separately...right now I can guarantee you that covert operations after Al Qaeda who escaped into Iran and Iran itself are proceeding right now...
I am a social Libertarian as far as the Federal gov't is concerned...and I say Make Love, not War with liberals...and made that a uhh... practice sometimes before I was married with certain gender, metal, physical, chemical related parameters...
I hate explaining attempts at comedy, lame or not ...anyone can e-mail me for a discussion...
Back to the Dan...my Dr. Doctor K...are you nuts? These are a great bunch of songs on EMG...maybe the best since Gaucho...Ironically, the Hey 19 groove of the bass and drums (which WAS Wendel BTW) of Things I Miss the Most is one of the very very few things I might want to hear... differently...something more FILL-ing...
Greenbook through the title track is as good a run of 4 recorded songs as exist within the Dan discography...
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Opening tune for the 2003 tour?
I'd like to hear West of Hollywood - build and build and build
(no pause ) followed by Lunch with Gina
fat chance
any news of when Albuquerque 9/23 goes on sale???
Dr Mu - weren't you contemplating that one??
LP - email me at this work address (have yours at home)
firming up yeah or neah on Manchester (might be a single or both)
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: A Song Like 'Gaucho'
Dr. Warren, write me a song like 'Gaucho', and then I might consider granting validity to the point you're trying to make.
Nobody can write a song like 'Gaucho'!
More importantly, as Don and Walt seem to have done so, I think it would be rather sad if they would still be striving to achieve the same thing... Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I went to see Yes a couple of days ago.
The fact that Steely Dan keeps mutating might not be fortunate for your comparison-based laboratory, but it is a blessing for mankind in general.
User: IHPF | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Dr.Warren- A drummer that used to jam with Donald and Walter in the 70's thinks Things I Miss The Most sucks.. Yeah? So? Get a freaking life you fucking jerk off!
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: More Bad News Comin' Every Day-
That drummer I told you about a few weeks ago who used to jam with DF and WB back in the early 70s in a loft in NYC, told me he heard "Things I Miss the Most" and thought they had a drum machine on it.
I told him it was a human being named Keith Carlock.
He said "It sucks- they must've told him to play like a drum machine".
Howard- I'm not saying that EMG isn't adventurous harmonically, although other than "Pixeleen" and "Green Book" it sounds pretty easy to figure out,
what I'm trying to say is that there isn't much there that is very striking or beautiful in the songs, in the way that there is in a song like "Gaucho".
This can tend to get very subjective. My idea of a striking use of harmony, melody and rhythm may not be the same as your idea of the same.
Most of the songs from the three LPs: "Aja" "Gaucho" and "Nitefly" are outstanding in that respect.
While I can't say any of the songs are bad on EMG, I also can't say there's anything that sounds as inspired as a song like "Gaucho".
Compared to most of the crap that's out there today, EMG is fine, but compared to Fagen's and SD's best stuff, EMG is definitely lacking IMHO.
Rather Soberly Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Roy: Yep. Saw it with my own two eyes yesterday. Only about 3 miles from my house. Should have seen it. 2D TV just doesn't do it justice.
DACW: You STILL have not explained why you don't like Dean. Every thing I've heard from his mouth makes perfect sense, although I'm still not ready to endorse him. Liberal-phobia perhaps?
StAl
User: Hugh Hefner - ready for Prime Time on a major network | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Tim Russert: Governor Dean, thank you for coming. Oh, watch your skin settling in on that leather chair. WeĘll be replacing those with velvet beanbag chairs soon. With a rich liberal, Michael Eisner owning ABC and a rich Australian conservative, Rupert Murdoch owning Fox, a new direction for our network was deemed in order and Hugh Hefner has purchased the Network as of lat last night. At least weĘll keep our acronym: NBC, and we save a ton on dressing rooms. I never realized that leg crossing was such an art. Have to be careful about my greetings as well
Howard Dean: Thank you for having meąI mean, itĘs great to be here Tim.
Russert: Now, Governor Dean, IĘm quoting a speech from last night in Iowa in which you stated that we should not have invaded Iraq since there is no evidence that Saddam Hussain or his sons was present or ran the country. Is that right?
Dean: ThatĘs right Tim. There is absolutely no evidence that a Dictator of Mass Destruction or a DMD or junior DMDs were present. In fact I question whether he was there at all for year.
Russert: You must be kidding.
Dean: No, IĘm not. We claim Saddam ruled the country with an iron fist, was developing dangerous weapons, and directly supported terrorist groups including Al Qaeda, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollahąbut where is the DMD? Where is he? WhereĘs the evidence? Why havenĘt we found Saddam? I believe the Inspectors destroyed him, or the DMD exiled himself of his own free willąOR DMD never existed in the first place!
Russert: ThatĘs an interesting theory. What about reams of evidence from defectors including SaddamĘs own lovers, the videos?
Dean: ThereĘs no direct evidence that Saddam was even in the country! Wake up America! No DMD, no war! How many claims do we have to hear from the Pentagon that weĘve ōgottenö Saddam? There is NO evidence! Those videos could have been a body double or from 1998, the last time the UN inspectors claimed they saw DMD and the junior DMDs before ōallegedlyö Saddam kicked the Inspectors out.
Russert: But the DMD as you call him, could be buried in a bunker underground, he could be hiding, he could be in a mobile unit, he could be in Iran, Syriaąhe was seen floating down the Euphrates. Thousands of his gas mask uniforms have been foundąIs that necessary for someone who hasnĘt been in the country for 5 years?! Hey, what about the Dan Rather interview?
Dean: Have you seen Rather? HeĘs a senile idiot! That was a body double, an empty shellą
Russert: How can you explain the mass graves? Kurds and Shiites murdered with chemical weapons and bullets?
Dean: TheyĘve found no lead nor traces of chemicals. Wild hyenas are known to roam Iraq and are known to encircle entire villages and go in for the kill. The rest just threw themselves on the pyre of their own free will.
Russert: Why would Saddam or DMD and the junior DMDs remove themselves from Iraq after 1998 without pressure from the UN Inspectors or the United States.
Dean: Well, they could have been eliminated in 1999 when President Clinton struck Iraq with 450 Cruise missles, or just gon into retirement at Sun City. ThereĘs also a rumor theyĘre holed up at the Kennedy compound or are deer hunting in Texasą
Russert: So you have no idea eitherą
Dean: and what about so-called American intelligence?ą
Russert: It is obvious now that British Intelligence is superior, but then we knew already that 007 is cooler than Felix anywayąTennant was a leftover of the last administrationą
Dean: ąI mean, look at Afghanistan. Have we EVER found Osama bin Laden? Is there ANY evidence that he is even head of Al Qaeda, besides doctored tapes? ąand I had some experts look at the tapeąwith a VHS tape, scientists can determine if something has been leftover, and can piece together some of those images. We did just that with one of his tapes, and do you know what we found underneath?
Russert: WhatĘs that governor?
Dean: The Rodney King beatings! ąand thereĘs no direct evidence that Osama was ever in Africa! ąand whatĘs this about his name is it Usama or Osama and is it Al Qaeda, Al Quida, Al Franken? I tell ya, this calls for a Senate investigation!
Russert: ThatĘsąwell, IĘm sorry thatĘs all the time we have Governorąjust us next week on Press the Meat,,,errr Meet the Press while we desperately search for sanity in America, while in the nude! Good day! Stay tuned for the XXX Games on NBC!
User: Stan | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Dollbaby- Are we still on for Ohio? Where are you? I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. mail or any other way. I'm counting the days until I can finally see those big green eyes and your sweet smile again.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Duncan: Going postal. That is exactly what the expression means.
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Just read in the paper
''going postal'' is street jargon for the high numbers of US postal workers that go nuts on killing sprees due to stress.
this can't be right can it?
finally got to watch the dvd last night.
very funny especially the girls from essex.
30 degrees here PHEW !!!
noticed that MC won one of the sd.com contests, lets hope he won some film i miss his pics.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 13
Message: Stevie, despite the Procrustean proclamations as professed in your preceding post... Thanks!
Sat in an Eames chair yesterday
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: Howard: A day late, but I would love to musically trade cool 4's with you.
Godwacker: (technically 2, but it is the same effect.)
2:14 in and 2:40 in when Carlock hits for the first time after a subdued bit of drumming and send both Donald and Walter off a cliff and into the air for incredibly cool solos. The drum beat right there makes it for me. As close to flying in music, as I will probably ever get.
Greenbook: at 4:41 in at the end of the incredible set of trading 4's going on between Becker and Fagen. Is sounds like Becker bends a note and then does a (run?) down the guitar string. nice sound.
5:43 in. I like the very last 5 notes that end the outro (Fagen?).
Things I Miss the Most: Becker solo run at 3:04 to 3:08.
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: oh yeah, and emm ? appears all those were done by the dreaded "proFESSionals". and when mussorgsky wrote a "proCESSional" ? for his progeny it was quite non-reCESSional !
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: emm, "where have i known you before" and "close to the edge" would get my vote for DEFINITLY great records...
User: DACW...and I say Hello | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: ~:
The Last Mall - Goodbye disposable income; hello nuclear winter
Things I Miss the Most - Goodbye Comforts; hello Southern Comfort
Blues Beach - Goodbye natural solar; hello radiation fallout
GodWhacker - Goodbye Wabbit Season; hello DUCK! Season
Slang of Ages - Goodbye blues riff; hello time-space rip
Greenbook - Goodbye "cute meet" talker; hello virtual streetwalker
Pixeleen - Say Goodbye to Hollywood; say goodbye my lady
Lunch With Gina - When the Clocks are Winding Down; You Make the Best of What's Still Around
Everything Must Go - Goodbye great big pool in the backyard, another great big pool beside it; Hello I'll Take You Along While I Slide on Down
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: looks like Ole has been busy at feverdreams,
some nice commentary on the new one
one song I noticed without too many reviews was The Last Mall
this piece is great, reminds me of I.G.Y. in it's grandious nature
although this time it's all going down the tube and our faithful narrator is exuding nonchalance ala mode
armaggedon is on and he's worried about sweet treats and surprises?
aren't there enough surprises in store?
love the merchandized "sweatheart sunset special" uh, how romantic sounding
and 'gospel morning'? a nice rejoicing sounding event that will make the 10 plaques of Egypt look like a picnic
who kisses checkout girls??? nobody, unless of course things are looking pretty grim
blood orange sky
so is this "red skys at night? sailors delight
or 'red skys at morning? sailors warning
armaggedonoutofhere
wormtom
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: well...I guess we're settling into EMG becoming a Cult Classic with maybe a chance at gold status, but what's in a number? - just as well...it's a unique recording...that is unless PIXELEEN is released in AC
The only recording that comes close is a song from Simply Red called "You Make Me Believe" from the Life album...not the lyrics, but the offbeat keyboards, horns, tight harmonies...it's the first cut I think...the album slowly slides downhill from there, but it's half a great CD
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: St.Al~ See any smoke billowing up from around I-5 ? A tanker accident in north Seattle is making such an impressive black cloud, they're showing pictures of it here on the right coast. Is Beemer City burning?
User: Emanuell | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: Now And Zen..
of course
stay the course
bluz
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: Are These Actually Good Records Or Are They Simply Plain Old Nostalgia?
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Folks,
This list here is not a list of the best albums I know; it's just records I still play, and I sometimes wonder if they are actually generally regarded as good albums, or if I only play them because of the emotional connotations I might have. So I'd very much like to hear your opinions. These aren't classics, they all sound dated, but for some strange reason they're (some of) my personal classics.
Also, I'm curious if anyone else here has similar records...
In no specific order:
- Where Have I Known You Before - Return To Forever
- Now And Zen - Robert Plant
- Watch - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
- Conflicting Emotions - Split Enz
- Close To The Edge - Yes
- The Flat Earth - Thomas Dolby
- Radio KAOS - Roger Waters
- Motives - Andy Pratt
- Breathless - Camel
- Permanent Vacation - Aerosmith
Dodgy list, huh.
By all means, shoot 'em down!
E
User: Beat the Boom Boom Baby | Month: 6 | Day: 12
Message: played yesterday
Junior Mance & The Floating Jazz Festival Trio W/Joe Temberley..Plays Monk.."little rootie tootie"(new)
Sonny Rollins..Easy Living..title
Rickie Lee Jones..Pop Pop.."bye bye blackbird"
Lou Rawls..At Last..Lou & Dianne Reeves.."at last"
David Sanborn..Time Again.."sugar"
Stanley Turrentine..lp Blue Hour.."since i fell for you" (December 1960)
Eddie Harris..lp The Electricfying Eddie Harris.."listen here"(1967)
Lee Konitz/Alan Broadbent..Live-Lee.."sweet and lovely"
Michel Petruciani..Solo Live.."listen up"/"besame mucho"
Pat Metheny..One Quiet Night.."don't know why"(new)
Liz Wright..Salt.."open your eyes, you can fly"
Etta James..Stickin To My Guns.."the blues don't care"
Boz Scaggs..Come On Home.."i've got your love"
Dave Ellis..State Of Mind.."barbados"(new)
Horace Silver..lp Song For My Father..title(October 1964)
Frank.."summer wind"
Count Basie Live at The Sands.."hello little girl"/"whirley bird"
Van Morrison W/Georgie Fame..How long Has This Been Going On.."all saints day"
Joey Defrancesco/Joe Doggs..Falling In Love Again.."all or nothing at all"(new)
Jimmy Smith..lp Midnight Special..title
Brother Jack Mc Duff..The Honeydripper.."blues and tonic"(February 1961)
Johnny Copeland..Boom Boom.."i was born all over"
Etta James.."i'd rather go blind"
Jaco Pastourius.."come on, come over"
John Scofield..A Go Go..title
Etta James..The Island Sessions.."damn your eyes"
It's a good time here, but its better down the road.
Lightin Hopkins
"Better Down the Road"
bluz
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: Stumbled upon the new Sting single on the radio...Dreadful...possibly worse than the Iggles...resembles Madonna with just a touch of Desert Rose. Der Stinger must be in need another Jaguar...long way down since Ten Summoner's Tales, Soul Cages, Nothing Like the Sun, some of Blue Turtle and the Police...
User: wordz from the front: | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: Just had a one of our regular customers come in and thank me for turning him on to EMG (hey, I just sell the stuff... it's not like I wrote the songs...)... Says he can't stop playing it, and as it turns out his girlfriend is getting into "classic" (his word) music and she loves it too. So much so that they're driving down to Santa Barbara to see the Dan with his *mom*.
we are everywhere
User: buzzing | Month: 6 | Day: 11
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User: TPFKA¦ | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: yeah, let's move on!..Apple stock up 47% since mid-April...Panther (OS10.3) will supposedly their network friendliest yet!
forget Clear Channel...nuke TicketBastard!
User: Randy | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message:
Latest listening(s), to the chagrin of many:
1. Steve Winwood - About Time
2. Don Grolnick - The Complete Blue Note Recordings
3. Muddy Waters - The Chess Box
4. The Blues - Volume 5 (Chess)
5. Steely Dan - Everything Must Go
6. Richard Thompson - The Old Kit Bag
7. James McMurtry - Saint Mary of the Woods
8. Paul Weller - Illumination
9. Dexter Gordon - Go
10. Erin McKeown - Distillation
11. Miles Davis - Someday My Prince Will Come
12. Sleepy John Estes - I Ain't Gonna Be Worried No More
Randy
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User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: Any GBers from the "Delaware Valley"? A Fair Forgery will be on the air and over the net this Saturday!
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User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: C, I'm committed to the track of which I advised you previously. The other guys still haven't decided but they're into it. We have a session scheduled for 7/27 -- so I should know by then. Can you e-mail me the cover tracks that have been selected so I can remove them from consideration?
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: http://moveon.org/wmdpledge
User: Moll | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: Top 12 Things You Don't Want to Hear From Tech Support
12.
"Do you have a sledgehammer or a brick handy?"
11.
"That's right, not even McGyver could fix it."
10.
"So -- what are you wearing?"
9.
"Duuuuuude! Bummer!"
8.
"Looks like you're gonna need some new dilithium crystals, Cap'n."
7.
"Press 1 for Support. Press 2 if you're with '60 Minutes.' Press 3 if you're with the FTC."
6.
"We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape and a car battery."
5.
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
4.
"In layman's terms, we call that the Hindenburg Effect."
3.
"Hold on a second ... Mom! Timmy's hitting me!"
2.
"OK, turn to Page 523 in your copy of 'Dianetics.'"
And the No. 1 Thing You Don't Want to Hear From Tech Support ...
1.
"Please hold for Mr. Gates' attorney."
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message:
Clas/Emmanuel - I'm pretty sure it's just a two-note voicing (major 10th) for those major chords without the 5th. I guess the bass, sax etc on the original fill the sound out a bit.
This major 10th thing seems to be a bit of a favourite of Donald's. It comes up in the intro to "On The Dunes", and on that keyboard video with Warren Bernhardt I'm sure Donald comments about how he "loves that sound". It also crops up in one or two other steely songs.
More EMG audio trivia:
At about 5:53 in the title track ("no-one's ever gonna know") there's a spot where there are two saxophone takes that briefly overlap - sounds nice with the two phrases overlapping.
There's one little guitar lick near the end of GodWhacker that bugs me slightly (sorry Walter). There are quite a lot of little licks and bends in the outro, most of which are spot on, but there's one at about 4:12 that sounds off to me. The bend seems to just push the note out of tune, then there's a bit of a stumble... it's a really picky point, but that one lick spoils the outro a bit for me. Shame, because the rest in this outro (like most of Walter's guitar) is tasteful, bluesy, and just right. The first phrase that Walter enters with on GodWhacker (at 1:38) is one of the highlights of the album for me!
Howard
User: duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: The sight of Bush watching those elephants shag is the funniest thing i've seen since taxicab confessions.
Builders finished at home , Moving back there this weekend.
LB 28 weeks already !!!!
normal service should resume shortly.
the no smoking thing worked a treat..just got to shift the stone in weight i've put on !!!
still
User: Beerberian ... Jazzee | Month: 6 | Day: 11
Message: Herbie Hancock At The Barbican
BBC 4
Fri 11 Jul, 20:30 - 21:30 60 mins
Live At The Barbican: Herbie Hancock with Michael Brecker Roy Hargrove, George Mraz and Willie Jones.
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Howard/Emmanuel - re no 5th chords - no keys in sight here at the office, but could this be the piano voicing:
for example, F no 3rd;
left hand; F octava F / right hand; F A F
?
User: C @ W | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Roy Scam - Hi-De-Ho, I remember that one. David Clayton Thomas, the mad Canadian. I didn't know that Carole King wrote the song.
Or maybe I did - at the time Carole King wasn't that famous.
Tell me Roy, you ARE recording songs and stuff with your son? If not, you better get down to it.
---
Emmanuel - great! Send it via snailmail.
Howard - wouldn't that be a good choice, the new song with acoustic guitars?
W1P? - what happened to the song you said you'd bring to me?
Stevie Dan?
Bob?
User: steviedamn | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: "...(or as good as it gets) PUNK with prog rock..."
User: the name of the band is | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: mars Volta
sd
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: poured rain in the full sun for nearly fifteen minutes today...
it's a beautiful ball we ride...
mystique ? i'd rather don & walt join us for a barbeque and jam later on instruments they don't normally play...
angel is such an angel for the mdndrummer snippets, feel free !...
beerberian, i'll enthusiastically second that paula over kate, although that recording is the best thing kate has ever managed...
one of my best drum students brought me two VERY interesting new bands. one was mars molta which is former members of at the drive-in (i know you ALL have heard this punk band...). it's like really good (or as good as it gets) with prog rock (really, like yes & earlier genesis or floyd here and there). great musicianship and production. very unique and excellent. unexpected. as for the other band, hella. hella is a guitarist and drummer who play VERY fast and complex music. NOT the white stripes (although they're pretty good at times). not for the faint-hearted. amazing. the continuum...
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: anyone going to albequerque on Sept 23rd???
looking at maybe making that and the balloon fest?
is the casino general admission?
thanks
wt
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Hey Tones, the New York based Pink Floyd tribute "The Machine" is playing the Mystic Theater on Friday (they're doing a Dark Side of the Moon "synch" with the Wizard of Oz among other things) and on Saturday they're playing with the "Jefferson Starship" at the Avalon Ballroom in SF. These guys are great (not as good as W1P but great nonetheless!)
User: W1P | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: jjeff, thanks for the observation. I thought Keneally's solo on Astronomy Domine pretty much smoked and had a "Dan-ish" (not Dane-ish) Reelin in the Years feel to it. Sounds like the Italian team took a page from Laserium.
User: Aja.........................daytrippin' | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: 2002 in San Diego, they played 5 off TvN (Gaslighting Abbie, What a Shame About Me, Cousin Dupree, Jack of Speed, West of Hollywood) and as far as I know, New Mexico and only New Mexico got Almost Gothic, so I'd say it's a crap shoot as to what they'll play from EMG.
I'm hoping for Pixeleen and Lunch w/Gina, in addition to the obligatory Blues Beach.
Aja
User: Trusty angel girl | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Royscam: Actually, Godwacker and Pixeleen are strictly a hope, on my part. Sort of like Dr. Wu.
Slang will be there, trust me.....
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Angel~ As I recall, when I saw them during the 2K tour, they played but 4 songs from their then new one, as opposed to 7 as you conjecture. My guess is : Last Mall, Blues Beach, Things I Miss the Most, and Everything Must Go, since that would parallel the selections they made last time.
I personally would like to hear the numbers that had Walter's best recorded guitar solos (Bad Sneakers, Black Friday, Josie, Cousin Dupree, Jack of Speed), despite the fact that he doesn't seem to perform them live with the same intensity. I've said this before, and I plan to repeat myself, Walt's "Black Friday" solo on Katie Lied makes my electron's dance about and return to their molecules in Escher-like patterns. Especially when he hollers that riff from Ellington's "Don't Get Around Much Any More". If he could approach that performance live, it would make my day.
On the subject of Hidey-ho faces: Blood Sweat and Tears once recorded a Carole King song called "Hi-De-Ho". It seemed to be about a guy that's down and out. When the devil offers him a bargain for worldly goods, he declines. Maybe the line in EMG is a summons on the part of the fallen capitalist to his cohorts to effect their noble poor man countenance.--The odd thing about the Hi-De-Ho song was that it sounded like a Laura Nyro song but the credits list Carole King. At the time, I thought that it was either a typo (that Laura had actually written it) or that Carole King was doing a Nyro satire.
RS
User: Oh and... | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Check out Lemondialsaq.com/en/ for a small video of the fireworks opening
User: jjeff | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: W1P:You asked for comments on Astronomy Domine. I don't want to leave you hanging but it didn't stand out from the rest and not knowing the original I can't relate it to that either. I've only given the whole thing 2 full listens and the few comments of friends have been, " interesting, that's a new take", and" I wanna hear the real thing now". That's not say it's poor. On the contrary, it's a fine collection of covers done in some very unique ways. I can say I'm proud to correspond with someone who was involved in it's making. On a related topic:
While in Montreal( what a happenin' place!) last weekend I saw the Italian team's display at the International Fireworks competition. What a rush as they started the show playing excerpts from Pink Floyd starting off with...So ya...thought ya... might like ta... go to the show...
I wasn't in official seats(55$) so the synchronization was a bit off, but I got the gist of it. They also did Wish You Were Here and Bolero before it got so loud I lost concentration on the music and just enjoyed the visuals. It's a 1/2hr show. They shut down the Jacques Cartier bridge to traffic but it's better view from La Ronde, a 6flags amusement park. They happen every Wed. and Sat. for 5weeks every year.
Last weekend was the last weekend for the Montreal jazz festival which is just a month long party. 8 free outdoor venues plus that many inside. The Blind Boys of Alabama were playing and I passed them over thinking , well they're gonna open for PG so why bother.
So if you're wondering what to do next year for a vacation, check out Montreal June to end of july, you're bound to hit something special.Book your hotel now( that was the hardest part). Wish you were there.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: YGK: Only one, but it was the expensive CD/DVD combo.... :-)
My thoughts regarding the tour this time. Note, this is not my dream setlist, but probably close to what we are going to get, using history of past tours and feelings about what might work, for this one.
We will know for sure, in about 2 weeks.
King of the World
The Last Mall
Godwacker
Bodhisatva
Green Earrings
I've Got the News/Band Intros
Josie
Blues Beach
Cousin Dupree
Kid Charlemagne
Intermission
FM
Jack of Speed
Green Book
Slang
Dirty Work
Pixeleen
Dr. Wu (please, please, please!!!!)
EMG
Encores
Don't Take Me Alive
My Old School
User: db | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: 3 ykg
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Well, if sales are down - that says one thing: "we're not trying hard enough!"
How many copies of 2vN did you buy? How many EMGs?
Get the hell out there and buy some discs, folks, and give 'em away........
Everything Must Go MUST GO!
ygk
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: EMG is down to #64 on album charts. But on internet sales, it's down from #9 to #11.
Overall, the internet has the advantages. That's how I just purchased the July 2003 issue of Jazziz. I went to Barnes and Nobles yesterday.
That's where they usually carry the magazine. Bad News! It wasn't there. The sweet associate told me of another newsstand that carrys it. I went there, nada. So, I had to order it by the net, today. I just hope I get it sooner than the usual 4 to 6 weeks.
Even the record stores that I frequent don't carry Kamakiriad on DVD-A.
The internet? Looks like it's that again.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Thanks a lot, Howard.
See, that 'no 5th' is something I never woulda guessed.
It does sound a bit thin on just a piano, so I'm gonna have to orchestrate it a little bit for myself.... Clayderman meets the Dan
User: Hoblin Goblin | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Has Frank Zappa been in today?
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message:
Clas - I'm still behind on the piano tuning. Tracked down a company that sell the tools, need to get prices etc. Been too busy recently. I'm enjoying playing the piano, but I'm probably ruining my tolerance for things being in tune.
I have a couple of oldies on tape I could use for the GB CD, plus one new one that I bashed out a quick demo for with my brother on his digital studio. Just acoustic guitar so far, and it has some rough edges (i.e. I fluffed some changes), but I like it. I think a bit of piano would go well with it, but I need time to record and get organised...
Emmanuel - chords for EMG? Try these (starting after the intro bit, where the sax enters)
F(no5th) G(no5th) F(no5th) Eb (no5th) C
F(no5th) G(no5th) F(no5th) Eb (no5th) C
G13 G7#5 C9 F#7b5
Fmaj7 E7 Am7 D9b5
D(no5th) E(no5th) F(no5th) F/G C
For all those no5th chords you just need the bass note in the left hand, and the 3rd of the chord in the right, an octave and a bit above the bass (i.e. a major 10th interval).
Howard
User: Steven in CT | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Where have I been?
DVD-A is just so awesome. I'm probably the last guy to become aware of this. I listened to cuts from 2vN, Kamakiriad and The Nightfly last night in this amazing format. Wow. All I can say is, if you have a surround sound system (5.1 speakers) and if you are a SD fan, get the DVD-A's. You won't regret it. If you're like me and bought each album in the 70's as they came out, waiting the indeterminate period of time between releases, then endured the 'pause' after Gaucho and Nightfly, then scoured the music papers waiting for any hint of SD activity, then devoured New York Rock and Soul, then pounced on Kamakiriad, the tours, and finally are enjoying this productive period, there is a reward for you!
Videos for Tomorrow's Girls and Snowbound!!!! I didn't even know these existed! What a thrill! I won't review the videos themselves. I'll just say I enjoyed seeing someone else's visual realisation of those great tunes.
Video for The New Frontier!!! How did I miss this? Again, just so great to see pictures to go with a great song that's as much a part of me as any thought I've carried for so long.
Documentary on the making of Kamakiriad!!!! Are you kidding me?!?!? There is a short film with interviews of the boys about how they work together. And a trip (albeit brief) to Walter's Hawaii home studio!!?!?!? Am I dreaming!!!!!
And I've barely mentioned the incredible epiphany of hearing two-dimensional music, as glorious as it is, rendered in three-stunning dimensions. I must have looked like a fool walking around my home office with a stupid grin on my face listening to the sound field and hearing for the first time, in some cases, the 'hidden' riffs and sounds and vocals. It has been like rediscovering an old friend or finding a friend you never knew you had.
In short, if you've went Steely Dan-starved from 1983 to 1994, there is a luscious reward waiting for you. Thanks to the man who invented DVD-A. Thank you to Donald and Walter for the output.
Keep the faith, fans. It is worth the wait.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Our thoughts are with Lena.
Ok man it's a deal. And you want it in the post, right?
On an entirely unrelated note - does anyone have the chords to Everything Must Go title track? I'd like to play it on the piano but, as amateurs go, I can't figure it out.
User: Ouch! | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: See what happens when I am trying to be funny? I am sounding like a pimp.
I wish I never said that, forget that part about my wife, OK?
/C
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Emmanuel - wow, great site, great graphics (you're a pro man), great music, but listen; YOU have to chose your music, my part in this is just trying to put it together.
For making this 4th edition of the Guestbook Compilation CD come true, you have to send your music to me, you already have a lot of nice work there, just pick your piece and send it to me, that'll be a beginning.
I am having my wife, Lena, working her ass off this summer so I can pay for the CD-pressings, the cover-printings and all, later this fall, so please, all you have to do is SEND IN YOUR SONG!
HOWARD, sorry, I forgot to mention you. Tune your piano (how's that going?), record a song, and send the CD/tape or whatever it is, to me.
Ken Vogel?
Bob?
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 10
Message: Clas,
I have heaps of music available on my website (www.zegeling.vze.com) You might wanna check out the Donald ode 'At The Grotto'... Or perhaps there's another tune you like.
I'm still working on that Mussorgsky mix, it's a toughie. By the way it's part of the Pictures At An Exhibition you saw, it's just one track. Chilling detail I found out (stevie, please skip this bit): Mussorgsky wasn't a professional!
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Or if you're just a watcher, a consumer, please visit my little Steely Dan Gallery;
http://www.steelydangallary.se/
Or just click the URL above.
User: Dr Fill | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Dr Fill's Daily Words of Wisdom;
"...don't forget the Guestbook CD 'Sketches and Strange Loops'..."
Roy Scam, Hutch, Schwinn, Gina, YGK, Steeve Dan, Florida Dave, Stevie Dan, Emmanuel etc etc... I probably forgot someone, but hey, let's get creative; compose, record and send result to my address, you'll find it on the URL above or copy and paste the link below:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
While you're there, you can listen to Gina's "Out of Line" merged with a couple of awesome State of the Art hardheaded boys (coming from south of town).
Great stuff.
/C
User: oleander | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Ahem....
fever dreams has a new home: www.feverdreams.net
and oleander has a new e address: oleander at feverdreams dot net
Many thanks to Hank for virtual hot toddies and handholding.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: OK just heard the KFOG interview... you know what would be really cool? If it turned out that our boys actually take themselves LESS seriously than we all do?
User: La None-ya | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: mia too...so far, the coolest and rainest summer yet in Texas - even cooler than last year
User: cara mia in rainy tennessia | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Jimbo, be glad lightening didn't strike your house and fry 3/4 of your electronics throughout like it did mine. It WAS a frightening experience to be in it, so I can relate. No damage to the structure of my home, but everything going up in flames was flashing before me in my moment of catastrophizing.
Yet it has been fun using the replacement cost insurance policy to shop for improved gizmos.
Hope all is well with you Steely fans. I am in mourning for the move away of my terrific guy to an overseas venue. Gina, he is in Den Haag at the US Embassy. Hope to make it over by fall, so a little meet and greet might be possible. How far away are you from Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
Hey, that way I might get to do "lunch with Gina"...
L-U-V,
cara mia
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Today's Wall Street Journal contains brief reviews by Jim Fusilli of 4 discs, including EMG. If I'm reading it right, the problem with EMG is that the songs aren't as good as they used to be (in his opinion), Fagen's voice isn't as good as it used to be, and SD isn't using enough studio musicians.
Right, Steely Dan...they're the ones who never tour and who never give interviews, they use the most modern technology available, and they employ scads of studio musicians on each track, so the songs are brilliantly polished but lack the heart that a regular lineup of musicians would provide. Or something like that. Or something not really like that at all anymore...
Accompanying the review, there is a caricature of WB and DF in the Hirschfeld line-king style.
M - le "net" est-il prOt?
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Tones: Oops, was it Wednesday already? ;-)
A little more from the Keith Carlock interview in Modern Drummer.
Last Mall:
"They would tell me groove ideas, maybe sing a groove they had in mind. I remember on "The Last Mall",, it was a shuffle. Walter really liked the four-on-the-floor for the whole tune, with broken triplets with both hands on the hi-hat, alternating the 2 and 4 with both hands. They would tell me where they wanted fills, or where to open it up and go to the ride cymbal. Sometimes they didn't want it to open up, so I would play hi-hat for the entire tune and then overdub ride cymbal later.
"The Last Mall" was a hard groove to get. All of the tunes were with a click. For that one, Donald had this idea that everyone except me would take a pass at the track with the click. Then I did my part on top of that afterwards. That's how we did it, and they dug it. I had never done that before, but it worked."
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: angel - thought we'd save the airfare and carpool - I drove to L.A. and honked the horn but I guess I missed ya...
Maybe next week?
User: Steven in CT | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: I just checked and my three new DVD-A's were recieved at my house today!!!
Two Against Nature, Kamakiriad and The Nightfly!!!!!!!
If it is half the revelation hearing them in this new format as it was listening to EMG, well, I may be calling in sick tomorrow so I can just soak in it. Life.....is good.
Full reviews will be forthcoming. As well as my personal SD chronology. I'm sure you can't wait.
(Hey, if I can't share with fellow SD fans, with whom can I share?)
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: I'm with you E: I don't think they're even close to being overexposed. We really only get little glimpses of their true personae in the Confessions thing, it's all show-biz, and since they're truly geeky and tounge-in-cheeky in most interviews (except it seems in the mags that pro musicians read) we really don't know anything much about their personal lives- and I like it that way. As to a related subject, in fairness to Warner's promo and lack thereof, they themselves have turned down the Letterman Show and the Today Show this time around, they don't seem to be overly concerned with sales, so you really only get inside info if you seek it out. I like my heros at arm's distance; for instance, I wish we hadn't found out so much about, say, Lennon, woulda been better.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: In 1984, when I was 12 as well, the Dan was the last thing you'd hear on the radio in Holland. The very name Steely Dan was already mystical to me, a relic of the seventies with a really cool name and vague ties to all sorts of other acts. Eventually, you get to know the stuff, and guess what? The lyrics are still a mystery. You don't know what bobbing for apples is if English isn't your first language. You unwittingly sing 'I'm a pool keeper's son'. And you've never ever seen 'em in a video or in an interview. The Dan was one big mystery - not of the metaphysical kind, no fuzzy wuzzy 'between heaven and earth' stuff, but just one big question mark.
Enter the nineties: enter re-issues, Dan sampling, tribute bands, Kamakiriad, the Internet, and to top it off: you get to see 'em for real in a live concert. The demystification, for me, is already getting old - that first concert was six years ago - so I'm glad to see the process continue in some way or other. A return to non-communicative passiveness would only make you think they're not having any fun at it anymore. For the Dan, the only way is forward!
User: Sorry we only have 8 | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Thinking about it, I don't think any 'mystique' ever really existed for me about D&W (and their musicians) themselves. On the other hand, many of the songs did (do) have mystique, atmosphere and style to burn, created through the lyrics 'n' music.
First exposure to SD I can recall, back around '84, aged 12 and listening to late-night radio, Glamour Profession. I think the word is 'spellbound'. Once I found out that it was 'two guys writing the songs, bringing in droves of top players and spending months in the studio', now *that* had a mystique, since my frame of reference was the 3-piece band. Whereas anyone could get a few mates together, practice a bit and knock out covers of rock songs, it seemed as if you'd have to go to university, take PhD's in Song Construction and Degrees in Jazz-Rock Groove to emulate the Dan.
I think I like their new 'visibility' and don't think it's too much - nice to see a bit more of them than in the past.
one last thing, in the UK, 'Mystique' are a company that make really cheesy 'adult' videos. Sorry about that but there you go :)) ('everyone's gone to the movies')
User: Steven in CT | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: Regarding mystique, lost or otherwise...
I have thought about this a bit and it doesn't bother me a bit. It's not being forced on anyone. Anyone wanting to preserve the mystique should simply not watch the dvd's or read the interviews, or whatever.
I think the mystique thing is no big deal. I appreciate the point Donald makes about a band producing a product with no visual information or interpretation, that being left to the listener. And one can form one's own ideas about the people who made the music and their motivation, etc.
On the other hand, it becames a rather silly exercise for a band to actively avoid promoting the work they do. Like hiding a lamp under a bushel. The Garbo-like reclusive act becomes contrived. We know Donald and Walter are real people who eat and sleep and have families and lives. Why pretend they don't? How does it harm the enjoyment of the music?
And honestly, the personalities of Donald and Walter, as revealed in the cryptic, brief comments they share, don't exactly over-expose them in the same way that 'reality tv' tells us way too much information about people who don't have any discernable talent.
If my views make me an over-aged idol-worshiping teeny-bopper, so be it. I'll be the one screaming hysterically at the Garden State Arts Center and Oakdale (CT) performances.
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: JJEFF; "Don't Give UP(wooden vocals by Melanie possibly because Kate Bush does the original so well)" ... Paula Cole did it better on Secret World Tour (avail as fine DVD) ... It's also where the very English Phone Box originated from ...
Went to see a group of friends new band on Sat Night...Beyond The Groove - they did a couple of AWB covers , causing me to revisit the back catalogue of The Six Shaggy Scots - Some awesome groovesome cuts !!
User: only a fool | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: St Al -so,what is the point? Would love to know.
User: steviedankingcole | Month: 6 | Day: 9
Message: yeah, today i received a new cd from disc diggers in massachusets by freddy cole, brother of the late great nat king. it's called "in the name of love" and one of the main reasons for picking this freddy up, other than him being generally great anyway, was that he covers "harbor lights", the beautiful boz scaggs classic. checking out the line-up i noticed right away that none other than keith carlock is all over this album...
jjeff, you and wormtom are testifyin' and representin' for gabriel's church. i'm ready to be saved, brother!
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: This morning, I survived, in my place, a huge thunderstorm from outside.
A storm so loud and severe, I thought it was the end of the world. I smell a Dan song there somewhere ;)
Check out Phone Booth on DVD. Great film. Keifer Sutherland at his best, even unseen.
Remember, that Harry Shearer program that comes on late night on Sundays?
Three weeks ago it played "Green Book." This week, it played "Things I Miss The Most." Check out his program if your local NPR station carries it. It contains a lot of political humor that we can relate to. Especially when Harry makes fun of the alleged WMD's that Bush and Powell
still think are in Iraq.
User: wormy | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: jjeff
thanks so much for the splendid
color on the Gabriel tour closer
thank you for helping me relive the sunday before in Detroit
I bought the mix board cd of that show on themusic.com (15 shows available)
was hoping the BLind Boys who were in town the next day would come out for Sky Blue like in Milwaukee
YGK - glad to hear your latest gigs
obligitary dan comment
the "dig yourself" comment in Green Book is either
admiring your own created virtual reality portfolio on line
or digging to the deeper levels of the cyber erotica
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Hey All,
Yeasterday, there's the first wildfire of the season some four miles from my house.
Then today, I read that BRITANY SPEARS is NOT A VIRGIN!!!!!!!
I can't decide which one shook me up the most.
What's next? Finding out that "Survivor" is fixed?
Ohh, the humanity.
Later,
Herm
User: jjeff- all apologies | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Sorry for the length of the last one . I just was on a roll, and UP from the weekend. Get it while it's fresh, ya know.
User: jjeff-----------Sunny Side UP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Peter Gabriel at the Bell Centre, Montreal, Canada- July 6 2003.
The first thing that struck me as I took mt seat was where was the rotating stage? As I later found out PG had been to Montreal for 2 nights rehearsing/playing starting this tour( or that's what I gleaned from his fairly good French and my fairly slow interpretation of it) and this was to be a stripped down and more intimate version of what millions had seen so far. One end of the arena was closed and the stadium was limited to 11,000 all of which were there.
As the lighting switched from seating to stage PG came out with Sevara, an Uzbekistan singer and her backUP band consisting of drummer, bassist, keyboardist, a man playing a drum with his finger while clenching it in his hands with the skin facing outward?, and another who played a 2 stringed instrument which sat vertically on his lap and was plucked or played with a bow like a viola. Their 45 min. set was mainly a middle-eastern melody with a bossa-nova beat. I was groovin' to the last song.
A quick intermission preceded the main event as the headliners came on stage and PG spoke a bit about it being appropriate that since they started the tour in Montreal that they should end it here. The eager-to-please audience stood for them and this was maintained on the floor for most of the duration which is why I don't get floor seats.
They opened with Red Rain as rich sounding as the recorded version minus the crisp drumming, something I noticed lacking all night. Probably the venue.
Next was More Than This. At this point my 8$ beer was demanding to see the outside once again. The acoustics were great in the toilet. No line-up either. Actually no one at all. I was back in my seat within 5 to see it finished and followed by Secret World and, predictable for this venue Games Without Frontiers with the chorus " jeux sans frontieres" which the crowd sang religiously while PG and his daughter rode their Segways back and forth the stage charging each other aggressively like jousters. I would have liked to have heard the song go to a simple snare beat with the crowd chanting in French but a hand signal stopped it abruptly.
Mercy Street began with the band huddled and "a capella". Eventually delicate music with Richard Evans playing recorder. Very Moving as a paternal look was given to Melanie as they sang, "in your Daddy's arms again".
Introductions were given after that, I think. "Tony" chanting began long before they got him which I thought unfair to the rest. Peter gave a story that drummer Ged Lynch could often be found with a black kilt on and how it would fly UP each time he hit the foot peddle. Or if you wanted to know what was under it just ask him and he'll smile and separate his legs( just a rough translation). He also plugged tonylevin.com.
Darkness, Digging in The Dirt9 groovy),and Don't Give UP(wooden vocals by Melanie possibly because Kate Bush does the original so well).
The Tower That Ate People. I knew the song but not the title.Growing UP was barely listened to because of that confounded ball which is probably quite effective on a large stage. As it was I was distracted watching PG roll over guitarist David Rhodes or watching PG skkkiiiidddd to the edge of the stage.
San Jacinto was another welcome song except for the ending which didn't translate live. Solsbury Hill I thought was to be the encore, but they threw it in the middle with the lights UP and the crowd UP while the band and(female) roadies, sans drummer and keyboards)danced through the crowd doing the perimeter of the floor which dragged the riff a bit long but was worth it to see PG overcoming any fear of audience contact after the bad bodysurf( in Toronto?) where he barely made it back in one piece.
Slegehammer was required along with the suit of lights. Signal To Noise seemed innappropriate. Too prerecorded and eerie vocals from a dead man.
To finish the night he bought out Sevara and band to do In Your Eyes which rivaled the original. It was joyous, uplifting, tear the veil away. That could have been it and I would have been happy.
Come talk to me was well done by father and daughter. Ijust wish he would have stayed in the phone booth. It would have been more effective in demonstrating the division of the characters in the song. Instead he pulls the receiver out 20'( still attached) and is face to face with her with a phone in his hand.
Shock The Monkey was the one my buddy didn't want to hear but the animal movemants by PG were self-explanatory. Both man and animal within the same vessel.
3rd encore. Biko. Classic. It ends when you want it. It lasted a long time.
User: BigDog | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: My 11 yr-old (otherwise normal) daughter said it best
"can't get that Everything Must Go song outof my head"
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: From the Fly on the wall department files....
On the open to the title cut EMG, Keith mentions that it was a totally unplanned thing and that he wasn't getting it quite right until Donald stood up and conducted him.
User: YGK | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Shameless/Timeless PLUG:
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featuring
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PLUS some brand new material
At
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User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Howard, I have been grinning throughout your rant.
New Radiohead is a return to form!
Gina, how very shocking. I'm gonna get that Aloha first thing tomorrow...
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: Dissonance? As someone who loves bands like Phish and Frank Zappa there's never enough dissonance in a Steely Dan record. Without it they'd sound like a Larry Carlton record. zzzzz
Only a fool: Funny but you're totally missing the point.
Aus: You know I still love you. And it's nice to see my Cisco stock back in the black again...
DACW: Carlock may "sound white" but he's the best all purpose drummer since Porcaro (who was also "white"). Me thinks you're falling victim to the past is always better than the present philosophy.
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message:
Dr W.K - I think your analysis software is not functioning properly, you might need to upgrade to Harmo-melodic Intervallic Analyzer 4.0.
"lack of tasteful dissonance" on the recent SD albums? I really have to sit down and write this up properly one day, but the SD recording career shows a continuously increasing and more sophisticated use of dissonance as time goes by. In the early days you had your basic mu-major chords, a few 2nd-minor 3rd clusters, and one or two other of the basic SD dissonance devices, but that was it.
Nowadays, they're more than happy to connect a bass note with a chord that, by the standards of most decent citizens, would be considered unpleasant at best, and downright immoral at worst. A "C" bass note doesn't go with an "A major" chord guys, surely everyone knows that? They never used to hit us with that way-out stuff, but now it's in every other song. And what about the horns at the end of "Slang"? Exposing naked 2nds and flat 2nds like that is just not healthy. And melodically, they've also made recent shifts in style so that they're deliberately avoiding the "pretty notes" of the scale (1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th) and highlighting the "odd ones" (2nd, 4th), or worse still, throwing in a few sharps and flats for the hell of it. Someone really should tell them, because they keep slipping in tricks like that, and the annoying thing is, that they sound so good most of the time that people don't even realise that their minds are being warped. It's dangerous stuff and no mistake. The same way that, lyrically, they seem to get away with up-close studies of modern day slime and degenerate behaviour, they've now extended their reach, and they're getting away with dark, twisted chords and melodies in the recent tunes. And most folks, even once-reliable software, is now passing it through as clean, I-IV-V blues type stuff! Some songs (e.g. Green Book) don't even seem to use perfect cadences anymore. It's got to stop!
Howard
P.S anyone else enjoying Radiohead's new one as much as me?
User: Gina | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: At the railwaystation waiting for an aunt and uncle to arrive from Amsterdam i picked up this music magazine "Aloha". Obvious why my eye caught that one among a zillion covers of magazines in the shop! The cover also highlighted the name of Steely Dan, so i browsed the pages for the article/interview. Will translate the whole thang properly when time, but can already mention that Walter Becker wrote "Slang of Ages" as a "tribute" to the city Amsterdam. He's been there for a month (june apparently) and liked it, then later returned and wrote the song/lyrics. He kinda explained why he portrayed the Dutch/Amsterdam people as aliens because he felt like they're from a different planet. I already learned he'd been in Amsterdam, because i spotted his name in a review of a concert in Pompoen, a cafe/club in Amsterdam where jazz and related music is featured and Walter came back three days/evenings in a row to listen to the band playing there ...
Banyan Tree Translational Viewed Bow,
G.
User: only a fool | Month: 6 | Day: 8
Message: EH?Stevie-it's the song,matey.
User: steviedan | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: kadu. brazil ? excellent ! welcome to the trees !
mu, don't forget fillmaster gadd !
tones, i thought so.
only a fool ?... i think that just about sums it up...
NOT the post content. just the "only a fool" part...
User: only a fool | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Woww-got off lightly.Shows what a mellow bunch you all are on the board.Going back to the sillyTaxi ride/DVD, the main gripe is the loss of the mystique thingy.After 20 years of silence we're being overwhelmed(!)and i'm not so sure it's a good idea.Growing up in the UK listening to a pretty obscure band,who didn't tour and weren't on TV who wrote pop classic music with an idiosyncratic twist was a lot of fun.The music/lyric had to stand up for itself and it did spectacularly.The lyics and references were so oblique your imagination could run wild.Nowadays all we're getting is the older man/younger girl theme which has been done to a crisp and which is highlighted in the DVD.I live in Asia so have no problem with the actual concept but Guys it's time to move on!!!
My 17 year old son probably could have done a better job;gotten a hand held camera,boom box a couple of mates and cruised picking up some birds and having a laugh.He wouldn't dream about inflicting the end result on the poor public.
So W&D get back to the cave and don't come out again-it was much preferred when you were hermits.Don't forget to travel but do so icognito.Don't also forget you have a big British(and foreign)fandom who may wince at W's complete ignorance of the Essex girl joke/sub-culture.It's completely inane by the way but aren't these the guys who have sung for many sub-cultures down the years?Enough said.
Your writer will keep listening to EMG in the hope it will grow.Didn't care too much for Jack Of Speed until i heard it live when it really rocked and i fell in love!Planning to go Stateside in the Fall to catch a Show.Hope they play EMG and Gina which for what little it's worth are the 2 best tracks on a disappointing album.Thanks for listening-"God knows the service could be better"
User: Kad· Guariente | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Ho...I Forgot. My Favourites Tunes:
GODWHACKER is my favourites...theres a lot of things that i like in SD...the groove of the drums, the spetacular WB play a spetacular guitar and bass and finnaly the wurlitzer(in portuguese this instrument has an easier name!). Reminds me another tune by The Doobies - Long Train Runnin(Do You Remenber Tom Jonhson?)and another tune by Fagen and Becker:Green Earrings.
BLUES BEACH is fantastic, is like....hhhhmmmmm....Hey Nineteen!!??
User: Kad· Guariente | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: My First Impressions:Brazil-May:I see the Cover of Down Beat(here's the guys!!!)
Second Impressions: On my favourite Cd Shop in Spo Paulo(Compact Blue).2003-June15'ths - Here's the Cd - Everthing Must Go was released in real Time. Congratulations.This is a rare happening in Brazil.(Thanks Globalization!).
Third Impression:Why you just play in USA? Did you know that are many fans in Latin America?(Im Feel a real Third World Man!)
What the band that drummer Keith Carlock plays before?Killing Grooves!!!
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: angel: I've never had my fill with Fill, but we've all had our fill with Phil (Collins that is)...Carlock is great, but it's a shame that Porcaro's gone - the dude could fill and put in a sinful, soulful groove simultaneously...Katy and his work with Boz Scaggs (Miss Sun, Lowdown, JoJo) speak for themselves...this may be heresy, but he would have put down a tighter groove than Purdie for Kid C...Purdie's layed back shuffle is just right for The Fez or Babylon Sisters...Carlock's tricky, but he sounds real white on a couple of those half-beats on Slang...which features some incredible bass by Walter btw...I would have like to have heard them sneak in Erskine or Colaiuta (sp?) on Things I Miss the Most and lose that Hey 19 bassline - that is one elegant Cole Porter on Deludin tune I tell ya...
...then just who were those teen age girls I picked up at the airport??....
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Aussie: Our teenage girls?
Tones: Ok, I'll take the gig. You paying the airfare? ;-)
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Picked up the Jazziz magazine, just for the fabulous cover shot. It is even more impressive in person, by the way. Carolyn gets a CD review of Lyn Leon and her work on "Glass Lounge".
Also picked up Modern Drummer and the huge article on Keith Carlock. Worth the price of admission. Great article.
He mentions 2 tunes that they never got and thus didn't even get recorded.
Modern Drummer: "Any nightmares?"
Keith: "There were two tunes that we never really got. It was a nightmare for me, because I was determined to get them. One was really fast. And another one felt horrible. As a drummer, you always feel that it's your fault even when it isn't."
A little later he comments that he felt his role on the album was "to really have a very consistent groove, outline the tune and not go crazy with fills."
Lots more info, on the title track "EMG" and how he did the open to it, "Godwacker", "Green Book" and "The Last Mall". Plus sidebars from Donald, Walter and Wayne Krantz.
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Saint Al: Funny you should mention her. The one place we didn't hit was Sheltre Island. I've seen her more than once on the ferry from North Haven to the Island the past few years. So we just missed her. Rats.
Aus
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Jesus Aus -- Was Martha with you? No wait, she's in jail...
Love StAl
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Lars - They went overseas on the last tour and it looks like they've decided against it this time. Maybe they took a look at something other than what's in front of them and didn't much care for it.
User: Aussie | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Wormy: Cheque your email.
LuckLess Pedestrian: Forty people this past weekend alone needed to be pulled out of the Atlantic Ocean, one 32 year old man on a boogie board disappeared entirely, and another man in his 30's drowned. The rip tide established RED Flags all along the south fork coast, few dared to enter the still chilly water....of course your truly did.....We were out in Southampton for the long weekend celebrating Independence Day Holiday and the ocean was indeed rougher than ususal......4th of July parade in Southampton Village, fireworks in Sag Harbor, wine tasting in Bridgehampton, strawberry picking in Watermill, flying kites and sunbathing in Amagansett, steamers ice cold coronas and lobster rolls in Nappeague.....we all came back four shades darker....amazing weekend. Hope all is well with you lovey....
Malcolm: Call me tomorrow at the office please.
Hope everyone enjoyed their Independence Day holiday.
Aus
post scriptte: Our teenage girls, heavily skewed towards rap and hip hop, asked several times for me to replay Steely Dan's "Everything Must Go" while in the car. Favourite tune? Pixeleen. I was beaming the whole way on the Long Island Expressway.
User: t | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: angel! You've got the job! See you here Wednesday morning, 10 am. Good luck with the commute... ;-)
User: Lars | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Quote of the day:
"And what the hell does "travel" have to do with anything?"
Nothing, I suppose, if you think everything is in front of you.
L
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Hey Tones: I think of you doing this same sort of stuff, up in your neck of California. Everytime I pick up/drop off my Hubby at the box store, I fix their EMG display, putting the CD's in a bit more prominent place. Playing the cuts on the sampler. Anything I can do to help the cause. :-)
LP: Scary times for you this weekend. Glad it wasn't you and yes, very sad for the family.
Little one sent to camp this morning, talk about a wild morning. I hate marking all the clothes, ugh. Round about way to say, that post from earlier with "ange" is indeed me.
Wormy: A few articles in this week's LA Weekly on Liz Phair.
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/33/music-phair.php
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: sorry tones, dear, my day gig is getting in the way of my cyber-relations, but i'll be back soon with a new test...
thanks for the compliment - hopefully none of us will have such a horror
User: tonesy | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: LOL! "Ajax"... of course it was me stevied... who else would quote Yoko loud and proud?
"Yes, it's a Dogtown..."
See?
lp - I've pulled a week and a half of all-nighters cramming for your test... wassup? Seriously, quite a sobering experience you related (and outstanding parenting. Some people would have just pretended nothing had happened). Glad you and everyone here (hopefully) had a safe holiday...
Now, you might get the impression I'm just schmoozing you up before the quiz... oh, here's an apple...
User: lp, and another note | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: hey in here again -
busy weekend - worked the rotary seafood festival so it was open season for residents to give me their 2 cents on everything while i was selling t-shirts (anyone want one, we have extras, 15 bucks)
then went down to westport, mass, where we watched a search for a 14 year old girl's body on the beach - nasty riptide down there on horseneck beach - took the opportunity to show my traumatized 10 year old the power of the sea and the need for respect thereof by walking her out, holding her hand, to water that was waist high for me and then letting her feel what it's like to get sucked under - i think she got it - my 4 year old liked watching the helicopters
very strange and incredibly sad stuff - that family must be beside themselves
no link, the boston globe may have something, not sure
back to it
hey ang - now i know why i keep checking my cell phone to see if it's ringing every time i listen to emg - lol
User: lp | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: hey -
wt - thanks for the colour
when's the first show again?
wt/aus - what's up for new hamster - anyone in?
the tourists are back to the island in droves - it's all new jersey/my/mass plates in the parking lots - most used question "where can we get lobsta?" - um, the pier?
ca-ching!
User: Oh. Almost forgot... | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Fever Dreams EMG pages have been updated.
Nice work Ole!
http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/emg.html
H.
User: ange | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Wormytommy: I was kidding about the Eames Chair. I tried to note that by putting it in quotes, but I guess it didn't work. BTW: The Eames chair I saw in a catalog, didn't look comfy to me, at all. Guess you have to sit in it to check, though.
So, what did Caroline have to say in that magazine article, Wormy.
Just a few highlights?
Only a Fool. Yes, there are lots of sections that remind the ear of other tunes, not that this is totally an unusual occurance in SD history, but I do notice it more, on this album. But the Back and Forth stuff going on between Becker and Fagen, is the most I have ever heard (especially on Godwacker and Green Book) and I can't WAIT to see them perform those sections in concert. It should be cool! Oh, and the backround vocals. Much more for the choir to do. Again, it should be a great show.
User: Beerberian | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: OAF; hmmm makes you think ... one mans meat is another mans poison etc ... Funny but I find the 70's grooves you picked up on - a plus point I deff heard some Ohio Players / Crusaders thang in a couple of riffs ... or is it just me?
User: Hutch | Month: 6 | Day: 7
Message: Only a Fool - Well, that was quite a scathing assessment. First time I've seen that kind of critique of the Confessions video. Makes me wonder (for about one nano second) exactly what it is that you expect from them.
And what the hell does "travel" have to do with anything?
I sometimes wonder if the fact that I'm such a big fan influences my acceptance of new Dan. Maybe it does to some degree, but I really think I would love this album even if I'd never heard of Steely Dan.
Took a drive down to Charlotte, NC this weekend to visit some good friends who've moved down there. Listened to EMG, Kama and John Beasley's "Cauldron" on the trip. Great driving music!
Hutch
User: only a fool | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: Confession time.Been a fan since'75.Flew from Hong Kong to Tokyo in 2000 to watch 2 fabulous shows-never expected too fulfill that ambition.Liked 2vN-sounded surprisingly fresh.So why don't i like EMG(actually dislike much of it)dispite listening to it at home and in the motor?It sounds tired and dated;sounds very much like many 2nd rate white 70s bands trying to be black and funky.Urghhh!Some of the stuff feels so familiar but uninspired.A couple of half decent tracks but thats about it!!The DVD is cringingly embarassing-how did this get released for general consumption.Afraid to say the 2 partners must be reading and believing their own press if they think that crap is 1)amusing ad-libbing2)thought provoking3)sardonic.The Beatles did it better 40years ago.It illuminates 2 middle aged saddos;their groove has always been narrow but excellently performed.Now in these tuly stange days the guys sound simply paroachial.They should travel somemore otherwise they'll end up the musical equivalent of Woody Allen.C'om guys!!
User: milton bradley* | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: new game !
find all the typos in my last post there.
*sd
User: yankeedoodlesteviedandy | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: back from my weekend of flag waving activities !!!
right.
well, a hot air balloon nearly landed in my yard while i was grilling, we watched fireworks standing in same yard from a nearby country club that i don't belong to, and was reunited with a much needed guitar chord grid rubber stamp by my musical colleague, in an envelope marked "things i miss the most"...
not a bad weekend...
thanx to all jaco-mmentary, including but not limited to:
moll for the poem, wt (that punk jazz anthogy is a nice package, as well. some rare stuff on there, like that airto which is only available japanese), clas for the link to the erskine interview (and thereby re-acquaintance with the jaco home page), howard (the milkowski book is great. he was very close to jace. milkowski is actually a great cd reviewer as well), monkey house on 8:30, tones, i assume "midsummer" was you (night passage YES ! and on that other matter, i assume yoko put something on him that ajax wouldn't take off).
dr k, do you ever just listen to the blues ? what does the analyzer read on a leadbelly record, or bob marley, or otis redding ? probably not alot of activity there, unless it also measures SOUL & GROOVE. doesn't sound like those are quantified...
User: wormtom | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: hey St Al and Angel
thanks for the heads up link and Caroline cover
funny I picked up that Mag in the record store yesterday and didn't even realize that was Caroline on the cover (I guess the tossled up hair) -
I was interested in the Rachel Z/ Joni article
Rachel's take on Joni - who she did a nice jazz tribute cd to last fall
(buy it Howard, Cara and J Dubz)
don't miss her Wayne Shorter tribute either
or miss Z's original stuff
Rachel was on tour with Mr Gabriel - quite a treat
anyway - sure that's an aimes chair angel?
those generally have the legs come up front from the back with no back legs
stylish 60's icon trendy and architectural pricey too
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: St. Al: Yeah, what a nice picture of Carolyn sitting in her comfy "Eames" chair. I really like it.
Snakie: Back to that line in "Green Book". Notice that Donald's voice rises when he says "Rose"? Seems to happen there and on the word "Fire". Adds a bit to the (possibly subliminal) message.
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: I already know that Pat.
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: I finally went to the record store and bought the EMG... incredibly good sound quality... it's so slick, it must have been air brushed in Photo Shop.
The guy behind the counter told me it had sold a lot.
Here in Sweden that is.
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So, how are you doing?
User: StAl | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: Carolyn Leonhart on the cover of the July issue of Jazziz
http://www.jazziz.com/pages/current_issue/V20N07default.asp
User: Emmanuel | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: tone, great line: that incredible steely way.
Very recognizable, albeit perhaps not for some of the more analytically orientated characters among us.
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 6 | Day: 6
Message: Twenty-three years of maturity:
Gaucho: Man approaching mid-life crisis
Everything Must Go: Man approaching post-life crisis.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: t: The minor key Ellington Rhodes for Omartian Western World loneliness...I think you're on the right track...
DrK: I can't even remember what TvN sounds like, escept something like EMG leftovers to me...oh, there's z back a mile howling on the railroad tracks...
User: Doctor Warren Kruger | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: I'm very sorry, I've been off deludin for at least half of its half-life and I tried EMG again and I got the same basic result.
I even ran some of it through Krugerresearch's Tonal Spectrum Nuance Analyzer and got even worse results than TVN received two years ago.
I compared the results of the TSNA's reading of masterpieces such as "Gaucho", "Time Out of Mind", "Aja",and Black Cow" with various tracks from the new one and again, rather dismal results.
"Godwhacker" even received traces of secular humanist/atheistic readings and I had to shut it off before it destroyed the danged machine!
It is quite possible that DF and WB have simply exhausted their allotted supply of superior tonal invention, although there were trace elements of such material found in various sections of "Pixeleen" and "The Green Book", before the TSNA would again veer off into the "trite mixolydian and dorian mode melodic invention" section of its analysis spectrum.
The Harmo-melodic Intervallic Analyzer also revealed a lack of tasteful dissonance, as was usually found in the harmonization of such latter-day masterworks as, again, "Gaucho", "Aja" the introduction to "Josie" and others of that ilk, although again, "Green Book" and "Pixeleen" showed some promise in that area.
I can only conclude that EMG is indeed comprised of extra, leftover material from TVN, as its TSNA and HIA readings fall well below TVN's.
On the bright side, its readings were shown to be far superior to most of the other dreck that inhabits the tonal spectrum presently, and well above both "Kamakiriad" and "Eleven Tracks of Whack" although that, admittedly, is not saying a lot.
Analytically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
User: tone | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: Howard - I've been thinking (not always a good or easy thing) about a couple things in post #3220 -
I think EMG is like a big ol' monolith in todays music culture. It's big, mysterious, and deep, but beautiful, funky, and accessible at the smae time, impeccably wrtitten and performed, and the music industry hasn't the slightest idea how too market *intelligent* pop music. If they could slap a "post-grunge" or "rap-pop" or " semi-jammy singer-songwriter" label on it they could shove it right out there with the rest of the crap. But EMG justs sits there being it's awesome, unique self, waiting for someone to create it's musical peer as a point of reference. But so far, it has none, not in todays commercial climate. It's hilarious.
But the pyramids looked kinda funny at first; so did the Eiffel Tower. the more EMG stands there just sticking out in it's beautiful way the more people are gonna want to try to understand or match it's beauty.
Second thing you brought up was the album entered the second stage of maturity for you. I had that experience last night when I played it for the first time in about three days (the longest stretch so far...). For the first time the details behind the details opened up in that incredible steely way, like when you stare at one of those 3-D pictures that take a awhile to focus beyond before you see "hidden" image. Most albums at this stage might have a few more fully involving spins in them if they're good, but with the Dan it's like now that the shock of the new is out of the way, the *real* fun begins! The experience was deeper and wider... so much greatness compacted into nine 3 - 6 minute segments.
wormy - just saw you mentioned the feeling of melancholy also on TTIMTM. They do that better then anyone, don't they? Just the melody of "...Western World" sounds so forlorn it rips my heart out...
t-oast
User: wt | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: long pause
is there life on Mars? quiet yellow
contemplate the line
"lunch with Gina is forever"
generally on a cyber initiated (or blind) date - best to do lunch
the committment level is minimal if you don't hit it off
seems our protagonist goes to set things up
unfortunately he tells Gina a little too much about himself,
like last name or where he lives
and he's got the stalker at the door
that minimal commitment lunch date that never materialized
(at least till the last verse)
is certainly "forever"
User: Monkey House | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: For unbridled Jaco, I'll take 8:30. Sad that B&F never availed themselves of him while he was camped out here on Earth.
User: should read... | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: Wall to wall instant classics.
User: Midsummer New York | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message: Lol... bong's right here steviedan... lol...
Yep, John was whipped. Lucky bastard.
Now what would it take to "whip" a man who could have almost any woman on the planet?
hmmmmm... boggles the mind, don't it?
"Everything around me, shaking, shaking..."
"P-control" is what the little purple dude calls it... Barry White, God bless him, sang about it all the time...
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favorite Weather Report album (thus favorite Jaco): Night Passage. I think it's an woefully underrated masterpiece. Couldn't understand how people could lead a normal life after that album.
And for an ever-so slight Dan thread it also has an Ellington cover.
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Favorite lines off the new one and impressions:mach II -
"Sweet treats and surprises
For the little buckaroos"
(love the piano riff on the one...: funky syncopation...)
"The talk.
The sex.
Somebody to trust."
(awesome horn arrangment! And strong atmosphere of melancholy, ala "Razor Boy" and "Western World")
"...another dimension...
...no slack in the tension...
(Chillin' at the manatee bar)"
(this album's "Hey Dupree" or "Cousin 19", only muuuuuuch better...)
"We track your almighty ass
Thru seven heaven-worlds"
(Just *blown away* by the Garcia-esque subliminal guitar soloing on this track...)
"Drop me off in Groovetime
Do you hear the Slang of Ages
Show me how it's done
Drop me off in Groovetime
Soothe me with the Slang of Ages
This is where I turn "
(I *finally* got my mind wrapped around these lyrics a bit tonight. From what I can tell Walt is looking for a band to sit in with, perhaps it's after hours on tour, and he's being given a tour of the nightlife by one or two of the locals. I'm thinking "Groovetime" is a jazz or blues nightclub, or maybe the groove of the late night jam; the "slang of ages" those well known time honored jazz or blues cliches that musicians use to communicate)
"The torso rocks and the eyes are keepers
Now where'd we sample those legs?
I'm thinking Marilyn 4.0 in the Green Book"
(I'm ready for the Greenbook/Pixeleen videogame tie-in on the PX-cube)
"Rave on my sleek and soulful cyberqueen"
(Could they be talking about Abu from The Simpsons? Who'da thunk? The sales pitch keeps the song from collapsing under the weight of sentimentality, blending beauty and cynicism like a sonic lemon meringue pie)
"The waiter never comes
God knows the service could be better
Luuuunch with Ginaaaah izz 4evah..."
(Monster groove. And Don get's all Zawinul with his bad self. Check *that* out!)
"Frankly I could use a little face time
In the service elevator"
(Majestic. Not only an amazing song, but an outstanding performance. A royal scam where the singer could be laughing or crying with you or at you. Funky sad and soulful)
I think I can finally get some perpective on how this one fit into the overall catalog, and I think EMG is right up threr with the best of them. Wall to wall classic songs of instant classics. It's amazing that they have hit yet *another* peak, and after all these years.
So let's see... so far that's Steely Dan 2, Nature 0
thanks for the space...
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 5
Message:
That buzz in Pixeleen sounds like a guitar string buzz to me!
H
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Tapeworm: The cliche lyrics suit the narrative; we witness an older man on the make, about 7 years behind the curve, spout with bravura, "let's roll with the homeys and knock on wood". That trite couplet samples vernacular usage of English, as spoken by Americans, from maybe 1958 through 1993. It's satire, it's funny, there's TONS of it this record...or whatever.
Angel: I'm constantly thinking my phones are ringing at various places during this album.
User: angel | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Howard: As DACW said, yes, there is a buzz in the right channel, just after Donald says "your cell phone rings". I do better hearing it when I listen in the car and not on headphones. But it is definitely there, thought I expected a cell sound and not a buzz.
DACW: What about the sound just after "your pager starts to throb?" :-)
Herm: What Ralphs? The one by the Lake?
User: Jimbo | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Sad news, even on the 4th of July.
Barry White, one of the greatest soul crooners/songwriters of all time passed away after a lengthy illness. He was 58. God rest his soul.
BARRY WHITE
1945-2003
R.I.P.
User: Samora | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: No, you will die in seven days Sadako!
User: tapeworm | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: pleasant topsoilantries to all, independence day rw&b too
or was that r&b - skip the whitewashing this go round
maybe the dan could have soundboard tapes available like Peter Gabriel is now doing on his Growing Up summer tour with themusic.com
line up and pick the show you went to
http://themusic.com/encore/pg/
can't wait to hear the new steely dan live unit do some of the older stuff
might even be capable of breathing new life into Peg
Aussie - e me on the NH end
picked up the Jaco Punk Jazz Anthology yesterday
marvelous - including some cuts on more obscure guest albums I would have never ventured into only beef WAY TOO SHORT (3 or 4 discs might have done justice)
worst DAN lyrics ever
"roll with the homeys and knock on wood"
like the song but I cringe every time I hear that one
reminds me of some dreadful "look I'm hip" dr evil verbosity
wt
User: Lady Wants a Nome | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Looks like z's escaped Doctor...LOL
User: Sadako | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: You will die in seven days.
User: DACW | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Howard: The cell phone buzz is in the right channel during Pixeleen "the cell phone rings. [buzz] It's, like, her stupid Father"
Funny. Well, at least they're no longer using 900+ FBI files to dig up dirt and blackmail or worse their enemies, including Bimbo eruptions, as in the last administration...something ironic...Did you know that Daddy G and the Plumbers were after "embarrassing pictures and dirt" on the DNC and it is rumored John Dean when they broke into the Watergate Hotel?
W's too busy Triangulating these days and congratulating the Supreme Court on its recent decisions...Dean was ripped to shreds by Russert and is now a Liberia Warmonger...what the f***? I wish Lieberman would get that B-12 shot already...
Happy 4th!
Not that hot here, relatively...we haven't hit 100¦ in 2 years...must be Global Warming
User: Don Breithaupt | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Let me float the theory that EMG's ho hum Billboard stats are at least partially a result of it being available in three different packages: the CD, the CD/DVD, and the DVD-A. If they all have different bar codes, it would water down the Soundscan data. However, let me also heartily agree that Steely Dan albums are not about short-term commercial performance!
User: Moll | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!
Stevie, your post regarding Jaco Pastorius reminded me of this poem by Langston Hughes. I look forward to listening to the CD.
As I Grew Older
It was a long time ago.
I have almost forgotten my dream.
But it was there then,
In front of me,
Bright like a sun--
My dream.
And then the wall rose,
Rose slowly,
Slowly,
Between me and my dream.
Rose until it touched the sky--
The wall.
Shadow.
I am black.
I lie down in the shadow.
No longer the light of my dream before me,
Above me.
Only the thick wall.
Only the shadow.
My hands!
My dark hands!
Break through the wall!
Find my dream!
Help me to shatter this darkness,
To smash this night,
To break this shadow
Into a thousand lights of sun,
Into a thousand whirling dreams
Of sun!
The rocks are beckoning. Off to celebrate being free.
User: Howard | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message:
Although it's nice to see when an album does well in the charts, I'm not too upset over EMG's drop. Music of true quality is long lasting, and it has a much better chance of picking up good sales over the long term (years) than the latest over-promoted pop fluff.
I think EMG is entering a second stage of maturity with me now. I know all the songs pretty much inside out, the favourites are well established (Green Book, Gina, GodWhacker, EMG), and I've got time to pick up on some of the many lyrical and musical nuances that only come to light over many, many listenings.
DACW - did you mention a cell phone sound in Gina, at the point where it's mentioned in the lyric? I couldn't hear it...
(Did anyone see the review by someone from the Washington Post on the blue? Some comment about how he played it once, then gave up on it. This music is not created for people with the attention span of a mosquito! It requires at least a little listening effort!)
Jaco - there is a superb Jaco biography by Bill Milkowski, simply called Jaco Padtorius. Highly recommended. I remember Joni speaking very fondly about Jaco.
This news just in!
Bush Asks Congress For $30 Billion To Help Fight War On Criticism.
WASHINGTON, DCłCiting the need to safeguard "America's most vital institutions and politicians" against potentially devastating attacks, President Bush asked Congress to sign off Monday on a $30 billion funding package to help fight the ongoing War On Criticism.
Full story: http://www.theonion.com/onion3925/bush_asks_congress.html
Howard
User: C | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Interesting read about Jaco;
http://www.jacopastorius.com/features/guestartists/petererskine.asp
Peter Erskine Memoires - "...he was a good friend..."
You bet.
They were playing at his funeral, Zawinul and Erskine.
Probably Shorter too.
User: steviedan on another note | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: a few days ago i did one of those annoying "steviedan album of the week"(TM) deals on the new "portrait of jaco: the early years" set which at that time, was enroute to the distributors. i later became bugged with myself because i had written "lovingly anointed", even mis-spelling (with two n's) that, which was the wrong word anyway. i meant "ANNOTATED"...
today as every day, before the first student shows up, i strolled down the driveway to the mailbox and lo and behold, the thing has already arrived ! i returned eagerly to the house, flipped on the light in the lesson studio, sat down and began poring over the book. it was then that i really understood how right i was the first time. this set, while certainly annotated, IS anointed with love. i am not ashamed to say that i was overcome with emotion, fifteen minutes before the canadian girl that reminds me of a young joni mitchell showed up for her guitar lesson. it was as usual, a great day filled with music. jaco pastorius died tragically at age 35. i've done alot since i was 35 and today i thought about jaco's lost time, the essay by his daughter at the end of the booklet, and the utter genius that jaco was. now i just have to find a quiet, private time to listen to it. you will never see a more loving tribute to a human being by his lifelong friends and family...
User: Duncan | Month: 6 | Day: 4
Message: Jimbo:
That's nothing, your lucky !!
Here in the UK Reprise have steered EMG from 33 last week to 72 this week.
http://www.dotmusic.com/charts/albums3.asp
There's some great reviews & stuff here.
http://www.dotmusic.com/reviews/Albums/June2003/reviews29737.asp
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User: stokodono | Month: 6 | Day: 4
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