SIS Archives -- July 1999

Fagen and Becker both appear in a scene from a movie from circa 1970/71...could be 'You Gotta Walk It'...or maybe 'The People Next Door'....which starred Eli Wallach and featured a song with Jimmy Hodder on vocals.....those were the days.....
..........hippies, drugs, counterculture....G.Gordon Liddy!

Andrew - I'm sorry I didn't respond to your post last week; I felt like I had been posting too much since I had started that whole 11TOW in the first place and so I didn't respond to some posts that I found interesting. I went back and read it; good point. I've read that when Fagen and Becker write songs together, Fagen generally comes up with the concept while Becker fine-tunes the words. Fagen does tend to come up with more, one might say, theatrical, or perhaps dramatic, scenarios than Becker - perhaps his English major background comes into play here, or perhaps his interest in science fiction. In other words, he may use his imagination more than Becker. And so he might have been the one responsible for the richer character development in the SD songs, since he may have been thinking more about dramatic elements. Becker, on 11TOW, is quite good at capturing emotional states, but his songs don't tell stories the way Fagen's solo songs do.

Q - Regarding Fagen's role as an actor while singing, don't all good singers do that? This is particularly obvious in music theater and opera, but all singing requires the interpretation of the text. Some singers are better interpreters, or actors, if you will, than others, and Fagen happens to be especially good at this, but it's something that any good singer should be doing. I read an article about Mel Torme a while back in which he said that singing a song well involves telling a story, and that the way the lyrics are sung enhances their meaning and makes singing into a creative challenge for the singer (or something like that; it's been a while since I read the article).

Also, technically speaking, Fagen is quite a good singer. He apparently places his voice quite high in his head and cuts out the vibrato (I recognize this technique since it's what I learned when I was trained in the English choral style), which makes for a less "pretty" sound but allows him a great deal of control and shifts the listener's attention from the sound of his voice to the way he sings the words. He also shifts smoothly from his counter-tenor (falsetto) range to his "real voice" range, something that the classical counter tenors I know have great difficulty doing. Fagen also has a wonderfully flexible voice, capable of a variety of types of sound - for example, he sounds quite different when he's singing backup than when he's singing lead - warmer and less bright; this sound can also be heard on Maxine.

Regarding lyics in a vaccuum - good point; the complete work of art is the song as it is performed - the combination of lyrics and music as interpreted by the singer. You don't get the entire picture just by looking at the words. For example, the depiction of the person who dies in the car wreck in Trans-island Highway comes across as a bit cold (to me anyway) if one just reads the words, but Fagen lowers and softens his voice when he sings "The kid who was driving I know from somewhere," giving a warmer, gentler interpretation to the lyrics.

Fezo - Regarding Everything You Did, I guess Fagen just can't depict an emotion he hasn't felt. OTOH, he does portray surprise and discontent pretty well, as he does on the line "I jumped out of my easy chair, it was not my own!" I just listened to Dr. Wu, you're right - there's a kind of yearning in his voice that sounds quite heartfelt - he really sounds like he's hurting. Actually, I think that Fagen expresses emotion better than Becker - it's Becker's lyrics that expresss emotion well, not his delivery. This might be due to his lack of experience in singing, or it might be his personal style. I've noticed in recorded interviews that Fagen's speaking voice sounds considerably more expressive than Becker's.

Clas - To take this whole thing to its root, your inital post - so is your theory that Fagen is acting, not feeling, when he sings? Hmm, I don't really buy that. As I mentioned above, all good singers are actors, but they are, perhaps, "method" actors in that they feel the emotions they sing about rather than just pretend to. I think Fagen sounds quite genuine indeed, particularly on On the Dunes - he sounds downright impassioned on the repeat of the part that starts out "Pretty boats, sweeping against the shore...," especially on "It's like an awful dream I have 'most every night." I guess we just hear things differently.

Clas and Q-I think I know what you're getting at... bear with me.

"listen, babe... remember the time your dog died when you were six...yessss... that's what I need here... okay people back it up, take two; think about the dog just laying there... perfect;
cue the violins, and...action"

Clas "I don't for a minute believe that Fagen has shown any real emotions in any of the songs he's singing."

Actors portray real emotions. An actor tries to "BE" the part... spend 6 weeks humping 50 pound packs like grunts in the Nam so they shall be 'ripe' for the first day of shooting Platoon... "be" there now or get there later (if you need the method methodology). Can it be supported that none of this stuff is really Himself? Interesting thesis, interesting question: is he an actor? What else could he be?

Charley Freak- Fagen sings a role. He tells a story AND it's also perfectly okay for the "voice" to slip into the first person as desired- then, we hear he's telling the whole thing to the guy he NOW holds a hand out to truly help (not rip off, like C.)

Fagen is an AUTHOR, mostly- see where I'm trying to go? He's a Literary Mu Major, Bard College, '70-ish, reading aloud. Wait.

Contrast that with the voice of Everything You Did. I hear caricature- and hey- it would amuse us just so if the character getting caricatured would say the following: "it was not my own!!!"like there was enough of it to repopulate a good portion of the western hemisphere in addition to an easy chair .

Character vs. Caricature. A singing Caricature- maybe he is a cartoonist. Like Dunesbury, not Disney. see what i'm groping around for? you guys are on to something but it needs more. I'm just thinking out loud; listen:

delightful multi-faceted thesis to which I'd like to submit a three dimensional hyperbolic function out of variables within three axes:
x: actor in character "I know you're out there..."
y: author reading to us "... the preacher's face turned red"
z: cartoonist's caricature "...I'm gonna sell my house in town"

see what i mean?

values may be positive or negative and there can be no extremes! axes may not be intersected (you can think and think and think further out along the curve and get closer and closer to an axis but it isn't fucking calculus... there is a limit on limits- you can't slide on down to an absolute zero value. there. that's sorta what i mean. see what i mean? He's not any one of these distinctions. He's all over the map?

If you want Steely relativity you can add time as a forth dimension and sculpt a Dan-Time Continuum. Like Carl Sagan meets The Citizen Box Set (plus a certain worm hole named Aniton).

But, (ya, there's another point) how can *anyone* posit there's "nothing personal" in there?Perhaps there are PLENTY of personal, "real feelings" in the discography and Fagen is altogetherlywise too private and UNWILLING to open the trenchcoat... or, maybe he DOES but shrouds the naked singularities with veils woven of literary thread. The adage goes: write about what you know.

On the dunes- "homicide" per se, on them dunes- she's ripped his heart out, jack. he's dying while lovers lay on their blankies. he's losing emotional fluid volume; his brain numbs, floating, metaphorical shock as the waves gently roll in in tantric slow motion tantrum? might he be subtly torturing himself noticing all these pretty peaceful look at the nice boats while he's fucking toast? "Homicide" on the dunes. who's killing who? mild obsessive compulsive in-u-endo, like he's a pain in his own ass? [nyuks]
it's like an awful dream he has most every night.

Who's whose who says if Don ever got thrown back like a fish at Jones Beach, say West End Two? Write about what you know-
only he's not talking. Maybe so, maybe not.

Okay, then! A fifth dimension: stuff what actually happened to the man that he has real feelings thereby therefrom hitherto and thereafter which he 'allows' his characters to feel. Oh dear, or write about what you've seen, read, heard, imagined- back to the graph paper. Now the right side of my brain is hurting.

I'm peripatetic (recently read Infinite Jest and I think I got a contact high).

F#maj9 passing by every now and again. 'k?

Midnite--Sorry to hear it. Next time you better!

OMIO--Don't quote me, but I think it's gone with the Salad Days. Wanna choose something else? It's obviously not too late, and may never be.

Stranger--Bon voyage, baby, and bring us back some good hand gestures. Maybe there'll be a release date awaiting you at the gate.

Andrew--1) pouting is unseemly; 2) maybe nobody here is smart enough to have read the Browning monologues; 3) or maybe your post so unclear as to have elicited only "huh?" or as David Foster Wallace puts it, "(...)"; 4) see below for DanFest--we'll be expecting you with an exegesis of the Browning.

Clas--Very cool thought. But all performers are actors to some extent, songwriters too, if they write outside the exact boundaries of their experience, which they do. That makes poetry a form of acting, or vice versa. I think of both of them as driven more by emotional restraint, which pushes one toward irony, understatement, and ellipsis. Look at Mr. Becker's comments about "Surf And/ Or Die," in which he comments on the coincidence of the monks' prayer being exactly in rhythm and key with the prerecorded song--he greatly underplays what must have been a mindblower, especially during the shock of the loss of a young friend. Or Mr. Fagen's comments on his own "Words & Music." The earlier stuff often comes across more passionately, I think--they were young and fiery then--but even then were capable of dryness and indirection, as in "Only A Fool."

LAST MINUTE UPDATE
THE MINIDANFEST HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO DANFEST*
SUNDAY, AUGUST 1
THE LOBBY OF THE CAROLINA INN
CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL
12:30 PM
LOOK FOR OBVIOUSLY SCURVY BRETHREN AND DIME DANCERS
(and at least one Barrytown t-shirt)

see you all in about a week
*miniDanFest defined as involving the same or fewer participants as the First Historic ACC DanFest in William(andMarywon'tdo)sburg

Sorry for the last minuteness.

yah, see - I'm not into the designer beers and have no discerning taste when it comes to barley swill- so I just drink either Budweiser(usually) or Heine's - mostly when I'm sick of good old Bud.

Now give me a tip on some exotic vodka's, and I'll follow you right down the road quickly!!!!

Q

PS Freutzen is the favorite son for tomorrow, but alas, Hakinnen will win unless Mercedes(favorite mechanical son) car fails.
Schumi does "live" broadcast from his bed in Switzerland pre-race !!!
Long Live the 1st Rule of the Universe: The Risk/Reward Ratio

Clas: You sound like a nice guy, Bo Hansson not ABBA. I used to share with a girl from Malmo called Ingela who brought out everyone's 'animal instincts', boys &girls alike.

Last week amid the discussion of 11TOW I made a post about the difference in lyric styles re Becker and Fagen. And refered readers to the dramatic momologues of Robert Browning in which the narrator unknowingly reveals their character.
No one even replies.
Then Clas (no offence big fella) says 'Fagen is an actor' and everyone falls over each other to say it's the greatest 'theory' in GB history.
I'll call myself Chopped Liver from now on.

Fagen I believe (and Becker?) had a small part in the movie You "Gotta Walk it Like you Talk It". I believe it ended up on the cutting room floor. Take a look at page 37 in Brian Sweet's book

clas, q, doc mu, et al,
fagen as actor is a sweet theory and explains much. because part of acting is saying one thing and meaning another and the audience can see this while it's done subtly. and fagen does that often. must be cool, hip, intelligent, creative just to think about singing those lyrics.

ugly steely dan moment,
on hold with twa a long time. deacon blues by muzac comes over the 16-cent telephone speaker. a terrible blasphemy. they're doing it with a sluggish flute and awful trombones and blended nausea behind it. got to talk to twa but they're making me sick. finally guy comes on the line and his voice and attitude match the deacon blues destruction but it's a relief. there ought to be a law about this. fezo, draft something.

Little Hand - Thanks for thinking of me. I haven't posted in the last few days since I was going to go back to posting under my real name, but I found that I didn't have anything to say. I feel more creative as Altamira.

I'm intrigued by the "Fagen as actor" thread, but I have a horrible headache right now (a hangover, what on earth was I thinking last night? Talk about zero self-control!) and I'm not up to analytical thinking, so I'll post again after I take a nap.

i can't beleive that anyone is still drinking heineken when there are so many unbelievable american beers - in brown bottles!!

Anchor steam

Sierra nevada

Sam adams

Harpoon

just to name the biggies!!!!!!!!

Malibu: If you're looking for Rick Griffin stuff, one of his last album covers is now available on a T-Shirt, the Mercury Head cover for Quicksilver's "Peace By Piece".. He was very proud of the fact he made it look like chrome without using any silver color at all.. It's $23 from the Quicksilver Messenger Service website, and these are Rare Items..
www.penncen.com/quicksilver
Is it June 31st yet?

Clas in the 3-4 years I have been viewing your posts your "Fagen as actor" theory is your most brilliant and compelling stroke yet.

My take on it though is that Don isn't trying for "believability in his threats", as usual it's dramatic sarcasm leading to self effacing melodrama - and comedy. I smile when I listen to these songs because I relish the sarcasm and irony that they bring to the table at a level as NO ONE else in pop music ever has. It definately is "acting" and I agree with Clas that our ever detatched heroes do not pour out their emotions - they are a level above that. By synthesizing incredible melodies,and awesome lyric qualities to the voicing by Don(despite "technical failings that some have dwelled on- which I find to be irrelevant and demonstrative of a lack of understanding of what they are going for- bye the bye- what is lost "technically" in the boy's vocals is MORE than recaptured in the virtuosity of instrumental performances)(whew) they are EVOKING a response in - you! that to me is the magic - and it is magic.

I personally think people spend way to much time trying to analyze their lyrics as if they were produced in a vacuum. I think standing alone many of the lyrics have no homogenous threaded meaning but are a collage of thoughts and commentary on a number of things. But equally as important i think that the lyrics and Don's voice is simply used as one more instrument that when all combined in synthesis creates a level of communication that actually rises to the level of art- a rarity in "modern music"

I believe it was Bob Dylan(?), of all people, who said that the Dynamic Duo are the best song writers(and i would dare to add studio performers/masters of execution) in pop music history?

Fagen as actor - you nailed that one Clas - and it is a multi-faceted thesis.

Back to my Heinekins and qualifying action in Hockenheim, Gernmany

Get well Micheal Schumacher

Q

fezo: Yes, I noticed more of a detached quality in Fagen's vocals throughout Royal Scam except for Caves of Altamira. This works expecially well naturally on Don't Take Me Alive and Haitian Divorce. There is much more immediacy and urgency on Dr. Wu and a lot of Katy Lied. You can hear the anguish in Any World building as he's singing "..a vison of a child returning, a kingdom where the sky is burining. Honey, I will be there. Yes I'll be there..." Michael McDonald's piercing backup brings the feeling to a cerscendo. I noticed the vocals on Rikki Don't Lose That Number to be more visceral also. A bit of anger, contempt, and frustration are obvious as he spits out "...but you don't even know your mind" Then he softens suddenly when he begs "and you could have a change of heart" The quick switch is extraordinarily hard to do and very convincing.

Yesterday afternoon I was convinced Becker was in my midst. I was at an outdoor concert featuring some Beatles cover band and there He was. The band was great though I couldn't quite figure out what Walter would be doing in Charlottesville. But I was in the raptures of fandom and was about to approach to stammer out some praise. Then Mike Love and Richard Manuel walked by and I realized I was having severe heat-induced hallucinations.

Ruby: cold beer? fish and chips? What's not to like? The first two pitchers are on me. Then how about two hours minimum of book and record store browsing?

Clas: Fagen as an actor. Cool theory. I've thought that too on songs like "Everything You Did". In fact, in that song, he does such a lousy job of playing the role of a domestic abuser I never found the threats in that song believable. He sings like such a paper tiger.

On the other hand, the angst in Dr. Wu sounds real. As real as any emotion in 11TOW. I haven't heard Wu in awhile so this interpretation may be tainted by time lapse but that whole song almost aches with failed redemption. At the beginning there's hope for the nararrator; he'll get the girl, he's get the drugs, whatever it is he needs to feel redeemed. But at the end Katy fails him. Fagen "could see it in her eyes" and his vocal on that line alone sounds like actual pain; not an actor simulating it.

I'm so sorry I missed it!

Reveille!

The cavalry is here!

Edd is back! Yahooooo!

Wait a minut Edd, I'll go gather my questions I've saved for you...

Javier Moreno - have you ever heard the Swedish folktune;

"Limu Limu Lima, kom låt solen skina, över berg över dal"?

Great tune. Like Nordic Gospel. Lima is a small village in the northwest county Dalarna. Interesting eh?

RubyBaby - I don't AGREE with you damn it! :)

Fagen is an actor, he never gets personal! "On the Dunes", for examples, only mirrors the narrators "mind-ghosts", the lyrics is not much about the pain when the lover has left him, it's more about the fact that he can't stand to be alone. He needs someone to be close to him. And the song is sung in such way that it's clear that Fagen is pretending to "be" someone. Like an actor. I don't believe for a minute that Fagen EVER has shown any real emotions in any of the songs he's singing.

Becker has. On every tune on 11 TOW.

Godnatt fröken, vi syns imorgon.

Clas, the Musclemountain

"Martin" - last word - your right it was a "weak comeback" - because if anything, it was meant to be understated - that was what WAS funny about it - it's pretty well understood that I know what ebay is.

AND because none of it meant much to me.........but, you "Martin" - you mean a lot to me.

oh shit gotta go - an auction is ending...........

Q

yes Martin - I don't have it - you've got it... up your ass !

PS your post is barely coherent , and bye the way - who the fuck are you anyway? - just another loser who won't post under their real identity because they don't have the BALLS to put themselves on the line - even in a forum where they will never even meet 80+% of the people participating......pretty pathetic -talk about "not having it".

So "Martin" why don't you come out and give your real name and email address and shake off all of that obvious sophmoric insecurity.

Oh.... and as for my "spending spree" - you can't spend it if you don't "HAVE IT" - shithead.

PS my spending spree has been going on for over 15 years and bye the way, ebay is only a FRACTION of it.

Come on out "Martin".........you can do it..... I know you can, or is your living room a bunker filled with sand(that's a Dan line -Martin)

PPS I really think what I detect most in your little scolding note is some form of bitterness - that's a real bad state of mind "Martin"

Back to "civility" !?!

Sorry for this waste of time - God, I can't wait til the new CD comes out - so there is something WORTHWHILE to discuss on the board

Another Weak Comeback

Q

11/22 is still the release date. The boys are so hip they can't stand anybody second-guessing their intent. What power they must have over their record company! I'm reminded of Mothra Vs. Godzilla! Wasn't that movie shot in Aja?

Besides, who reads the release crap except...us? CD Now could give a shit. Tower Records could care less. You don't hear any DJ's lamenting the delay. Hey that gives me an idea! Let's all assume TNO will be released on the 12th of Never. Heck, it could be in our hands tomorrow...

&: LOL means Lola without the "a".

&: Where are Altamira and Oleander? Oh, that's right. There's a Mini-Me on Sunday...

&: ebay RULES! You can't argue with 1.5 BILLION hits per month. I should know. I created it shortly after Al Gore cooked-up the internet.

So Wealthy I'm Miserable,

Little "Big" Hand

Steely Dan is the best band on earth.

FANOFDAN!!!!............THOES DAYS ARE GONE FOREVER OVER A LONG TIME AGO!!..............What as shame! I often do that same trip. When I listen to The Royal Scam it brings back memories of crusing to Darwin, in my mates EH Holden Special!! { with visors down of course !! } in 76. Then three months later drove the same car to Perth!!..What a trip that was!!,with our Clarion 4 track with 40 wats a side cranked to the max!! booming out YOUR NEVER GONA DO IT WITHOUT YOUR FEZ ON....... O NO............................Great Days!!

Table Talk- Q Knows what ebay is. There was a poster making fun of his spending spree their and spelled ebay, Ebay. That was about as good a comeback Q can give, when he say's, What's Ebay? Some people just don't have it. Q's one of those people.

FanofDan - Thanks for the message yesterday. I didn't get it until late. Much overtime lately. Nothing changes? Look forward to hearing the new music.

Anyone - I always thought LOL meant "lots of Love" and one put is at the end of a letter (people have been doing that for decades). However, people do it on E-mail for all sorts of reasons. What does it all mean?

Clas: kimmy sleeps in the garage 'cause the "big doggies" roam the house at night. I need protection, dude! As the song went, "gotta keep 'em sep-ar-A-ted!"

I guess DF sings Green Earings so sincerely, I believe it is him!

When I hear royal scam, I have to thing that the lyrics were written first, then a melody was born from the attitude and wraped tightly around the words that are bulging at the seams, but it worked beautifully. How do they do that?!

Any Freecell players out there? Try game # 617. It's got me.

rb

...uh, it appears that the scheduled release date (11/2) has evaporated from the Reprise site:

http://www.repriserec.com/newreleases.html

Does this mean the mixing is near completion?...and "an important announcement" will coincide with a rumored near future broadcast of the "Making of Aja" special? OR was the new one erased from the memory banks of a River Sound computer during the recent NYC blackout? OR Did it seem redundant to release a packet of songs entitled Fall of '92, Fall of '93, Fall of '94, Fall of '95. Fall of '96, Fall of '97, and Fall of '98?

...stay tuned to the ODP - trying to channel Nostradamus now...

Roy: Yes, it was Opie!! Did you notice that the 1st cut "Narcolepsy" is a waltz, and the final track "Lullaby" is 3/4 - but with a gospel structure of a real rouser??

M: The purge is complete

You're right, TableTop ~ E-Bay is one of the only places on the 'net where people treat one another with a modicum of civility...barring the snake(s) who've gained notoriety in the past weeks with their bogus scams. Bottom line: only buy from sellers with a good rep and LOTS of positive feedback. I've been collecting the artwork (posters/comix/albums/etc.) of the late Rick Griffin, and have gotten many GREAT deals on E-Bay....take a look at www.boards.com at my lil' collection if you're a Griffin fan (or a survivor of the '60s!).

Listening to Kamakiriad for the first time in a while today ~ sheer genius :)~

Anyone itching for something new to listen to might want to give Joyce Cooling a listen. (Have I said this before?)

http://www.persontoperson.com/p2p_team.html

Q - ebay is this online auction thing - www.ebay.com Pick out a cute nickname (not like the ones here), sign up and bid away - great thing about America and the Internet, you can bid as much as it is worth to you. There at least, if you treat everyone civilly, honestly and fairly, they say nice things about you - unlike here.

I would recommend selling their stock short right now, until new software bugs are worked out. Don't shoot anyone if my advice causes you to loose money. ;)

what is Ebay ??

Hey Kids:

Just checking in....still no new album ....but hey the millenium is ending...but boy I was just thinking the other day with coffee in hand....unfinished manuscript on desk...WHAT A FRIGGIN" DULL YEAR this is......sorta like.....jeez 1971 or something.....'You Gotta Walk It...' indeed.....bring back the Flip Wilson show already!.......

this date in 'Dan History (as I remember it)
1996-'Dan play successful US Tour and debut two new tracks
1980-release of ;Gaucho' upheld due to legal wrangle (LA concession)
1978-Josie enters Billboard Hot 100 on its way to #26
1977-Steely Dan tour rehearsal begins (and ends)
1974-Baxter and Hodder kicked out of band
1973-Steely Dan plays live on Midnite Special
1972-Production on debut album ends
1971-Fagen and Becker smoke joint in Central Park
1969-Mets fall 9 1/2 behind Cubs...oops wrong chronology....anyway have a good summer people...when New millenium eve comes at least we will have something to listen too......right?????????right!!!!!!!!

Andrew! Are you bye any chance related to Pete Hamill?

Dusted off an old Ricky Lee Jones CD after seeing her name mentioned here ...and enjoyed, enjoyed . "Traces of the Western Slopes" sounded so familiar that it came as no shock to see on the liner notes that Steve Gadd was present but imagine my surprise when I saw a Mr. D Fagen (I believe he contributed to 'The Royal Scam' ) mentioned.
To the Antipodeans: I once worked the night shift at the Rocks and finished with a few quiet 'nightcaps' from 7.30am at a pub called the 'Fortune of War'. It was always full at that time with construction workers, old soldiers etc. having 'breakfast'. I remember how much I loved watching all the Suits on their way to work. Proust was wrong , it's the smell of stale beer that brings back memories.Ah...

Anne Thomas,

( ) ( ) ( ) ( )...........*

I guess you kinda scared yourself. Not me. The rhyme is my middle name.

F. Goose

*Meet me in the washington zoo?

clas

yes, lamerica is bad or worse than anthing you no in sweden. Usa courts us for our market not knowing our appetites. This is why we duplicate terminator and bruce lee willis all the time. Usa gives us gifts and then wants us to pay for them. No wonder we torture and kill people like cows who love you. A billion served is a big cigarette hard to not smoke. They no nothing about our resolve wich is like a tiny bonzai tree. Little tree shows how much disclipline we have to demand tiny feet or no sex and she can't run away and roots stay here.

Gokubi,

Won

Today I was just driving around listening to Aja (great album)
a beautiful sunny winters day when I started to reflect back to the 70s.
Ahh!!! Finishing school,being with your mates,surfing,innocent
romances,good times and a new Steely Dan album EVERY YEAR.
Well almost.
Yeah!!!! Those were the days.

Jesus Christ! Can't we talk about anything but steely dan here? Steely dan, steely dan, steely dan. How long can we talk about a non-entity? Speaking of non-enititys, would anyone care to comment on "Eyes Wide Shut"? I haven't seen it though I was prepared to see it straight away. I bet Kubrick is turning in his grave and shooting spurious shots on Kodak "Max" film just knowing what a bunch of gun-loving, sex-swilling idiots have done to his film. Who knows? The 65 seconds of orgy covered by digitized shadows may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It must have been. Why else would American censors all converge on that one point? If the film is remembered for nothing BUT what was done posthumously to it then that should serve as an accurate record of our time in history: We demand cheap smut after 11:00pm on HBO and Cinemax. We are incapable of differentiating the video whores we see at home from the Mona Lisa. Kubrick gets the last laugh. He sprang from simply directing his actors to directing the fools who protect our morality. Guess I better go see it.

U2OK

Don't let the cat get too used to the piano! She'll soon figure out how to wake you in the mornings!

Expressions to avoid in a recording studio;

- Can you turn up my ears?

Cueso - I've just learned one thing, Edd is NEVER here when you need him. He's probably out hunting jakals or something...

RubyBaby - but isn't Fagen "acting" a thief, a gangster, in that song, Green Earrings? This is what I see in these two men; Fagen is writing his lyrics like he's writing a play. Becker is more openhearted, not so afraid to show his feelings.

If Fagen had children, maybe he has, can you imagine him write a song about them?

Is China taking over the world? I hope they have better movies and talkshows than USA.

Fezo - thanks again! I'll be looking for that one!

And where the hell is Roy?

C, Amish

er, that's 'mini'. No offence Mimi. Have a good w/e

R&ks

oops!... must have been that light beer at lunch...burp

Anyway, Mr Chow: the Australian's not one I know, though I've probably been in there at some point... can't even remember the name of the Japanese noodle house I was in last night at the top of King St. But, a mimi psudonym-free fest sounds good. Next time I'm in town on a Friday I'll let you know.

Ole: I quite understand... and please, come on down! one Black Friday perhaps? I still have to get that DMB offering to you for the prize pool.

Richard&kangaroos

Clas--funny, I heard a quote from Duke Ellington on NPR yesterday. Something about "It" not being in a "Box". I'm assuming "It" is music and the "Box" is conformity but I think I need some help with this. Edd?

Is Dr. Mu on vacation?

Ok, I'm going to the chat room now.

Cheesy,

Cueso

Q: Yes, they will take over the Panama Canal. Then, they will refuse entry to the U.S.A. At some point, they will invade CA. What they want is world dominance. They are patient. They are serious. No, I'm not out of my mind. Taiwan will be the first step. They covet the resouces.

Clas: I have to disagree with you about the Fagen/heart issue. I think there is some of Becker and some of Fagen in that song.
I remember/ that look in her eyes is Fagen all the way.

Did I tell you my cat loves to sit on the bench while I practice piano? She stays the whole time. Of course, I don't practice that long...

fezo: I've never been on BART before. I feel like such a child - everything is new. Sounds fun! Can we have fish & chips & cold beer for lunch?

rb

Q (Danman)- Check out Ebay! I saw a flame suit up for sale with Steely Dan written accross it. It's only going for $4,500.

oleander....thank you for the kind words. My lovely wife and I live only an hour from Chapel Hill and we'd love to meet you (I'm guessing Rudy the jOkEr will be there too?) but alas I have to work a 12 hour shift on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Perhaps we can Do It Again sometime in the near future? We've got the three day weekend off every other week though we are going to visit her Mom in WV on my next weekend off which is also my birthday....is this too much information? *LOL*

See y'all Monday!

Ok - Since the concensus is that the Guestbook "community" will is to talk of all manner of subjects, how about this one.

It sounds real conspiatorial but, I think it's worth some thought if not outright alarm(long term) !

Has anyone been reading the stories about how since we "gave up"
the Panama Canal, the Chinese Gov't has proceeded to buy up ALL of the surrounding lands ! Hmmm, only @15% of our oil imorts move through there , and @ 15% of all other imports move through there(=%30 of ALL imports to US).

I like Chinese people and food but I am not fond of the Chines Gov't for some reason - or any other Gov't having control of such a vital interst. But then I'm sure i'm just doing a "Third World Man" thang here.

It just irks me when we shoot our feet off - constantly.

OK, just a minute - there....ok, now I've got my flame suit on - go for it......

Q

Ruby: sounds like a plan. after lunch can we hop on BART and head up to Berkley?

Clas: for your next Ellington adventure, see if you can find a copy of his recording of "Single Pedal of a Rose" (or something like that). It's a piano solo he wrote in honor of Queen Elizabeth back in the 50's. His recording of the song was originally just pressed for her; it shows up later in a couple of live recordings of dubious audio quality but between the hisses it sounds to me like the most haunting and best piano piece I've ever heard. It's lyrical without words.

Stranger - damm - you caught me there. Actually, I don't mean a shit with it. It happens so that the word itself is a mix of my sons girlfriends name and another thing (that's a secret I cannot reveal).

Ole - yes we have - "cool". And what the hell girl, what is this about a Midi Dan Fest? In a chapel? Who is to be married? And is it via synctone?

RubyBaby - hmmm, I think those lines are Beckers. I can't imagine Fagen has a "heart" for other humans when he writes serious lyrics? Come to think about it, I think Royal Scam and Any World and maybe Bad Sneakers are the only serious meant lyrics.

And now I recall why I have a special ear for Bad Sneakers; I was a huge fan of Traffic when I was small, and the song "Hole In My Shoe" sure had an impact on me.

Thanks for pic, I email you, you Pacific Pearl.

Has anyone here read the English musicmagazine "Mojo"? Bought it just by chance the other day. Great articles. About Marianne Faithful, Chrissie Hyndes and a marathon on Brian Jones.

But hell, I am used to the American English, the Brittish English is quite not understandable sometimes. I mean, they got words like "Chap", "Lad", "Radge", "Popped" etc etc...

So, where the hell is Roy?

C, Basharasha

PS - mr La Page - get out of that freezer now eh?

Stranger,
Did I say Stanger? I make occasional errors, but I provide references.

Stanger,
I do windows, arrange papers, clean refrigerators, tune engines, forge passports, remember pins.... I don't come cheap.

Alta...I mean Anne - When you're in NY on a Wednesday, you can also enjoy the "Bloomberg Blues Jam" in the Plaza between the World Trade Center towers. I think it starts at about 6.30pm each Wednesday. I got this goss off my Bloomberg screen - didn't print it out, so I'll report back with more later. It's just a pity that I'm about 20,000 k's away or I'd join you. Maybe next week.

Good King Richard - Do you know the 'Australian Hotel' at the Rocks? Great gucci pizzas - Tandoori chicken is brill. Everything on tap and very relaxing at Friday lunchtime (although needs to be booked. I don't cook there - not a Szechuan dumpling in sight, but maybe if you're free one Friday? FanofDan - come on up! Lew - Come on down! Everyone else - come on over!

Ben _: could be a CASE of de-Briefing , that said , I'd love to make it to a DANFEST.

Andrew

Pseudonym "free" days are called Dan Fests and usually encompass both days and nights. I'm sure Oleander can brief you. But then, she's so used to diapers you may prefer to do your own briefing. Depends. Do you like to bulge all over or in one specific area?

Pablo : hail & well met (i know where you're coming from) just be prepared to duck when they start swinging.
How about a "pseudonym -free day" where folks could meet on a first name basis and play guess who?

clas,
falasha with one L is the word for ethiopian jews. i have no idea what your new signature is all about. but i can't worry about it right now because i'm trying to determine the meaning of taco bell.

will there really be another steely dan album ever? if so, will it be any good? i think if it occurs, it will be good. but i'm not sure it's going to happen.

going to paris tuesday. getting shit ready. it's complicated. i don't have flunkies to do the small shit.

Midnite--That your cool & friendly self shines through your nick. You don't have to reveal a thing.

OMIO--Yeah? Guess what I was doing during Woodstock? WORKING FOR A LIVING, DAMMIT! And how did you know about my prom?

St. Al--He's right. Diaper service RULES!

Stranger--I've always kneaded doughboys.

Mr. La--Just finished it a few days ago. Still reeling. Feeling kind of overwhelmed. I have a lot of questions for you. Let's e & talk about it. Anyone who hasn't read it (Infinite Jest): bolt all the doors, turn off your phone & computer and put a sign on the door: "Back in two weeks," and do it.

Clas--sassy--walking with a hitch in your hips, cutting your eyes, flipping your hair over your shoulder as you leave someone in the dust, chip on your shoulder, voluptuous attitude, not taking any shit and proud of it. Got a Swedish word for that?

GKR--I swear I'm STILL working on it. You guys make me long to go DownUnder.

maj--you & the luckster going to gig there?

Pablo--hey there.

kettle--stupid at best, I won't say what at worst.

NEWSFLASH: IMPROMPTU MINIDANFEST
SUNDAY, AUGUST 1, 12:30
CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA
VENUE TBA

maj@ - Cool! I'm planning a visit to New York soon, and I'll make sure I'm there on a Wednesday so I can visit the Triple Inn. Thanks for letting us know about it.

Clas: Yepper, AnyWorld smacks of DF. ThrowBackTLO has a definite WB air to it.
I had to consider those lyrics to RoyalScam you suggested. The lines, "While the memory of their southern sky/ Was clouded by the savage winter" leans towards being a WB thought.
I'm with the Major about Caves of Altamira.

Now I ask you, what about the lyrics, "Sorry/Angel/I get hungry/Like a child?"

My Dan-tolerant spouse has been having all the spontaneous Dan Moments lately. He was in Wallgreens in San Francisco when he heard Donald Fagen singing "something with a lot of xylophone to it" and he keeps hearing the music of Walk Between the Raindrops played on a tv commercial for Honda. I wonder if he's just teasing me...

Djawge: Where've you been? I haven't felt any foxy German vibes around here, so I assume you haven't visited recently. Don't tell me if you did. How are the sweet potatoes doing?
And the little one? He should be running about, driving you crazy by now! Does he plunk the keys yet?

Peg: I've been wondering what you're reading this summer. I have less time, but I have managed to pick up a good one called "In the Skin of a Lion" by Michael Ondaatje. I love the way he writes. He's poetic, but in a very manly way. Sporadic gentleness amid precise movement...

PS Clas: when you sign out as C Fallasha, are you saying you are falling, or you're a teacher? I was trying to look it up and I noticed that the svensk word for tampon is "tampong". How quaint!

rb

oleander....what did that mean? I'm just fine anonymous?

Hi book!

Nice to have a look at you again. You read as you ever did. Some things never change. Yeah, that was kinda lame too.

Roo-bee!!! I hope all is well w/ you. Must get back to you soon. Just I'm so busy. Resting my head on my keyboard.

Sancto Alphonso: Hello and best wishes for the 2nd asshole. You'll love it.

Whoever: what sampler of King Crimson would you recommend? Explain you're choice svp.

Until THE DAY I'll hide my ears in a cushion with a mix of Tab Two, Tribal Tech, FZ, Nettwerk compilations.

Bye now.

Wandered into the Triple Inn, 54th Street, in NYC last week. It's a Dan-friendly place to hang. On Wed. nites, Dan alums pick up and play. Bartender tells me "Drew somebody" comes by to play some Dan stuff. Drew Zingg, I suppose.

What a way to beat the heat in the CITY.

who wrote what: Caves of Altimira was Donald. My guess.

maj©

What can anyone tell me about Jango? Sounds like they are very much influenced by Steely Dan.

http://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990728/t000066974.html

BTW: To whoever my wife, co-workers and I really loved the JFK, Jr. jokes last Friday - they were great!!!

When will that big announcement happen ...

I've been an SD fan since CBAT and reading all you yankee college kid's nonsense makes me wonder if we're listening to the same things. Over here in the real world were always told that Americans don't have irony. I hold Donald and Walt (and Randy Newman) up as exemplars of the true strain of US cynicism. We in Europe have known for generations that no dream, whether religious, political or social has all the answers. In SD's music I hear the gradual dawning, post 60s, of that hardening of the heart in the USA.. I'm looking forward to hearing what they've made of the 80s and 90s and they can take their time about it if that suits them.

Johnny Boy - Oh, you meant you thought I eat.... I wish! Alas, I'm single now. (I'm a little slow this morning, not yet fully awake.)

Alkaseltzer - You're right. I hadn't considered why some of use pseudonyms; I had merely picked one because someone suggested I do so. Certainly pseudonyms offer a way to express different sorts of thoughts under different identities - you know that a book written under the name Barbara Vine is going to be different from one written under the name Ruth Rendell, even though they're the same person. So I will use more names from now on, although they are probably going to be along the lines of what I used to put in the "city" section when I wanted a little variety. (Actually, I may just go back to using my real name, as I do on all the other on-line groups I participate in.) However, I think it's inaccurate to say that I use (or formerly used, since I won't use it anymore) the same pseudonym to feel pure and powerful, since I am neither. I guess I didn't explain exactly what I meant in my last post as I lack Mr. Becker's verbal skills [I just made several attempts to explain what I really meant, but I erased them because they were getting long and wordy]. I just used it because I enjoy maintaining a consistent identity, and some people don't, that's all. But, as you've pointed out, I've been using the pseudonym for the wrong reason, so I'll go back to just being Anne Thomas.

Of course I'm unsure and unsteady - that's why I'm so quick to change in response to suggestions like yours. I am truly sorry if I've given the impression of self-righteousness; in real life, I'm quite tolerant and easy-going (although I do occasionally go off in tirades against the patriarchy as my pent-up rage breaks through). I'll read more carefully what I write and try to make extra sure that it doesn't sound self-righteous, for that is something that I would surely never want to be, and I am deeply ashamed that I gave you that impression. Thanks for the comments; very thought-provoking.

Dr. Greenstreet - I've noticed this only on NYR&SR, especially Madison Time.

Mr. La Page - No, I haven't, but I've read some great reviews of it and I will see it soon. I am pleased that it's at the National Gallery rather than the Museum of Women and the Arts.

Big Fan - Damn, that is disappointing. Oh well, F&B did say that when the release date has been set, it will appear on their web site first - I should have paid more heed to their words and not gotten my hopes up for nothing.

Johnny Boy - Figuratively, perhaps, but not literally - I'm a vegetarian!

Barney - I wouldn't say that this is exactly a form of communication that is "brand spanking new" - there have been countless articles and even some books written about people who communicate on-line using pseudonyms.

teapot, call me black again and i'll stomp your ugly black nigra ass.

As a freshman in college (1980 Northern MIchigan U) I was "enlightened" by my roomate by heavy dosages of SD day and night until the day came when we went through a "coming out" ceremony where we smashed my garbage vinyl LP's (Alice Cooper, J. Starship...)against the cinder block wall of the dorm room. I heard he is selling bicycles in Belgium. I owe him...Rob P, R U out there????

re: pseudonyms -live by you're own rules but boys&girls how mature is it to only talk to people with silly SD names -are there really a set of customsand manners for a form of expression so brand spanking new?

Alkaseltzer- Altamira eats crow? I thought she eats.... oh, never mind.

Messrs Chow, Chang and FanofDan (hey, a rhyme): don't s'pose a classy Sigma's quite in the same league (reversed into a gum this evening... looks less classy than ever). Hey FanofDan you got a dog in the back of that V8 ute? Was going to ask about your blowhole, but some readers might get the wrong idea... I'm a good middle-class pommie bureaucrat (but then you knew that anyway). So, DanFest?: I'm spending a bit of time in Sydney these days, so where's the restaurant? I was walking through Chinatown on Monday night on my way to catch 'My Name is Joe' (excellent Ken Loach), but it could so easily have been noodles, laksa, chopsticks... dumplingarama in a piano bar? Japanese tomorrow night in George St, as a friend does a book launch... but maybe one evening soon?

Yup, kangaroos everywhere...
with nothing to do but feed all the parrots on the rear deck (lovely pair of crimson rosellas this morning)

Ah GoodPrincessLeia is waking up... time to go

richard&kangaroos

Clas - It sounds like Becker wrote those lyrics. His skills seem to lie with the pen and the guitar.

FanofDan - How could the car you look after so well give you nothing but trouble? Good talking with you today.

RubyBaby! You Pacific Pearl!

Who wrote this, Becker or Fagen, what do you think?

"They are hounded down to the bottom
Of a bad town amid the ruins,
Where they learn to fear an angry race
Of fallen kings their dark companions.
While the memory of their southern sky
Was clouded by a savage winter.
Every patron saint hung on the wall
Shared the room with twenty sinners."

StAl; I've already told you this but that day you did not listen to That Ear;

"I lived in holy house but the Grand Hotel
Back streets of this old town I know so well
and I drunken no holy wine save Muscatel
And now my friend I got to go
You tell everyone I know
Sayin' goodbye"

should be;

"I lived in no holy house but the Grand Hotel
Back streets of this old town I know so well
and I'm drunk but no holy wine, save the Muscatel
And now I got to go
You tell everyone I know"

Sayin' goodbye

Well we all knew it was too good to be true. That Nov 2 date kept getting closer and closer. Something had to give. Reprise updated their new release sight - no mention now of Steely Dan at all - not even the future albums section - oh well, what's another year or so. BTW please don't kill the messenger.

http://www.repriserec.com/newreleases.html

PS I've really loved all of the various Dave Matthews posts.

Lew Chang
Yeah mate! 54 model FJ Crusin' with the visors down!!!!!
Perhaps the sun was in your eyes in 82???
I am a FC model myself so I am not that far behind you.
Never was much of a Holden fan though.Bought a brand new V8 ute in January 99,very disappointed.Nothing but trouble!!
Anyway as I said in my last post,certain things regarding SD
might not be that far away.Drop me a line via the email address
above and I'll get in touch with you!
Oh BTW can I take the photo's of the chop sticks sliding down!!

Mr Chow
Keep practising! Can't wait to here those ivorys tinkling.

Good KIng Richard
Hope your keeping a good eye on those kangaroos.
Danfest downunder ???? One can only hope!!!!

Alta: You're right and I'm sure you can relate some personal experience to further illuminate anything that's posted here. That's what makes your stubborn refusal to fly under a different moniker so laughable. Instead of posting off the top of your head you feel you must share each and every experience as Altamira--(which I must say, is also a pseudonym)--in order for you to feel pure and powerful. But the truth is, you are also unsure, unsteady and unprepared for the mass of humanity and their reactions to your own peculiar brand of self righteousness.

Don't get me wrong. I've learned to not only accept you but appreciate you on this GB. We'll always know who you are and where you stand even if you eat crow as your unadulterated, genuine self...Altamira.

Good Blessings,

Plop, Plop, Fizz, Fizz

Hi Kids,

Just got back from a thousand mile cruise and boy is my leather stiff. Good thing I brought back a girl from the saddle-soap factory. She wasn't making shit! God, I hate to see a woman making half of her worth. Abe is with me on this one.

Just perused what I've missed and it's nice to see that very little has changed. Except for the blessing bestowed upon St. Al. Congrats big guy! Pisces Virgo rising is a very good sign...

I don't know what all this Dave Mathews stuff is about but I will tell you that the band played Austin Sunday night and got terrible reviews. Seems Dave was a little frazzled from his Woodstock gig the night before. Anyway, I have no comment except for this: His oriental-sounding stuff gives my cousin, Strawberry, serious 'Nam flashbacks...

Cooling Tower,

SEMB

"Piano Reflections". Thanks Fezo, it's great!

Where is Roy?

Mr La Page - wow, write a Doctors thesis on that one and send it to me. Was it cold?

RubyBaby, yes, great idea, 'who wrote what'. "Any World" is definy* Fagen.

"Throw back..." is Becker.

"Tonight when I chase the dragon" is... ooooops, sorry. That was very nasty of me. To become so... private. Sorry. Will never meantion THAT song again.

SunnySam - where the hell are YOU? Are you also sassy? Whatever that is.

* Aniton

Adjö,

C, Fallasha

All of my SD CD's require that the volume be turned up a notch or two to achieve the same volume as most of my other CD's. Does any one else notice this and is there a good reason for it? This includes the re-masters by the way.

Peter North - Don't forget:

Do Me Again & Fire In Her Hole

Spew it Again
Kid Gnarlyvein
Spray 19
Dr. Goo
Hose Darling
Spodishottva
Your White Teeth
Deacon Spews
Jack-off Speed
True Cum-panion

The Generation X`ers who watched Woodstock 99, many said that Dave Mathews Band was not very impressive, setting the place on fire wasn`t very impressive either.

oleander: Did you get around to the David Foster Wallace? I'm waiting for your insight.

clas: Last night, to conserve heartbeats, I slept in my freezer.

altamira: Hot. Very hot. Have you checked out the Cassat exhibit at the Natl Gallery?

truth is, we're ALL assholes.
now shut up and pour.

YOU'RE the asshole.

kettle - has anyone told you recently that you're an asshole? Seems you're way overdue.

Stranger-Yet another great Steely Dan post. I get enough of that kind of crap reading the comics in the morning paper.

oleander,
perhaps you are as old as i am. remember the first time we ran into each other? i was a doughboy exhausted from running 75 miles nonstop away from the trenches and you, fresh out of medical school, treated me with a strange, aromatic new herb.

Congrats St. Al & partner.. Try a diaper service..
Tight Bands: Frank Zappa's bands were like precision instruments & they put out bunches of live stuff to prove it.. Also one of the greatest guitar stranglers to ever choke a neck..
Damn i miss him.. Like SD, there's a quality to his stuff that nobody can replace.. "Let's Move To Cleveland.."
Hey! My curmudgeon lost it's crust when it fell off at Woodstock.
Sounds like a Ray Stevens song, don't it?
"You Know You're A Redneck When Your Local High School Fight Song Is Dueling Banjos, And The Junior/Senior Prom Requires Childcare.." (ba-ba-boing!)

Can't wait for the *new* one!

Clas - Why not? Yes, we don't have to, but it would be nice to see Steely Dan mentioned for once instead of the usual useless stuff. Also, thought it might interest a few people.

Lew Chang - Dumplings as usual. Trying a new hi-fat variety.

FanofDan - I have copied the manuscripts. "Throw back the little ones" works better than most so far. Finally successful in an Ebay auction last night, although not SD related. The Johnnie Johnson Band CD is great!

!! I`ve noticed that 11 TOW has been tossed around,anilised and whatever again!!. As far as i`m concerned if the NEW ONE! sounds anything like 11 TOW! i`ll swollow my fucking chop sticks
sideways!!!.............Mr Chow!! whats on the menu tonight?? FANOFDAN!! Did you read my reply??.............BY!

This was the topic today; (sorry for the third post here, got a little "halleluja" up in my head when Fezo gave me three dots and called me big boy)

(and hey Ruby, was it not me that that was going to look for those records? How got Fezo involved?)

Imagine yourself standing in China, Beijing. You are looking at a worldmap.

The big country in west is - Russia.

The big country in east is - USA.

That is a thought, isn't it?

Doesn't that tell us something? Yes, it's telling us that we're NOT the center of the world! The Western World is NOT the center of the world.

Good thinking teenies.

God, I'm so glad I have you kids, it's nothing better than teach things to unruined little human beings. You are so undestroyed!

Tomorrow we'll talk about how to play (the basics) and tune a Lute.

C Fallasha

Rudybaby = RubyBaby

That was NOT a Freudian slip. I must have been confused when Rudy said that he is going to be a father again.

SASSY? What the hell is sassy? LISA, SEND ME A NERIUM-PICK!

StAl - "Haven't changed a diaper in 9 years." Hey StAl, this is a mans world. Do men really change diapers over at your country? Congrats any way!!!

RudyBaby - my sweet little peach-pit, my beautiful little honey, I'll send you a picture of that plant. It's growing. Love you!

I'll be back soon if I have forgot anything.

Only a Fool Would Slay That
With a Knife
My Rival
Goodbye Look
Book of Lawyers
Neck's Too Flat
I? Gee? Why?
Stain Lightening
Throw Back the Little Gloves
Barry's Town
Razor Boy

St Al...A daddy again? Congratulations Sir!
Speaking of Steely Kids ...Geena, Are you back yet?Hope your Trip was a success.

Altamira- Nice job laying Down the Ground Rules and presenting
your take on this place.
David

Clas: When you say things like, "Dave Matthews, is he the guy from traffic?" I miss you most of all.

Sven: Dark-haired Swedes are BEST FROM ALL THE REST!

fezo: I'd love to look for that Ellington/Coltrane record with you. But we can't, so maybe I'll pretend. We'll start at Spinners, a used record store in the Tower District. Then we'll go to Butterfield's for lunch.

rb

The Stranger - You seem to have some pretty good points here. I always hate that gender-bashing stuff; I have many male friends and I don't think that women are any better than men, but I have noticed that this group seems to be more interesting when more of the women posters are involved, The men seem to get into these on-line shouting matches, while the women seem to be better at bringing in new topics of discussion, sometimes on-topic, sometimes not (although men can go off-topic as well), but I find this list a bit less interesting when there are fewer women posting. I was surprised when I first noticed this, since I hate all this gender-stereotyping, but I've found that every time I find this forum to be getting dull, I've noticed that not many women have been posting lately. I'm sure I'll draw some flames for this, but just let me point out that I'm surprised by this and not all that happy, since I have much respect for men and their contributions to this guest book.

Regarding those who hide behind various aliases here; that is one consequence of posting in this format, since if you were posting to a listserv, you would probably be identified by the origin of your posts, unless you could find a way to obscure that, and even then it might be traced - we know people can hide here, so it's not really something we should complain about. However, the anonymous posting does lend a different flavor to this group. I can sometimes detect a pattern in some of the negative posts so I suspect the same person is responsible for them, but I don't take these posts as seriously as those from someone who is clearly identified as a regular poster. This is a sort of community here, and those who wish to become a part of it will naturally have a somewhat stronger voice than those who hang out at the edges, dashing in now and then to snap at the rest of us. If you really wish to have your voices heard, then establish your regular posting name here as a consistent contributor, and maybe we'll pay a bit more serious attention to you.

Midnite--that's OK, you're just fine anonymous.

St. Al--MAZEL TOV!! Pursuant to our recent conversation, and in keeping with your trademark Saintly efficiency, you didn't waste any time. I guess Joker & I better start turning out those little Steely t-shirts again!

DMB & Bela Fleck put on one of the best live shows I've ever seen. I also think that's one of the cookin'est bands around. Don't much like the most recent album, though. Kind of amusing to see assholes flinging themselves through the air.

Stranger, OMIO--I just adore you crusty old curmudgeons (I can say that because I'm at least as old as you).

To all lisafans--she is alive and well and SASSY.
Clas--Hmm, sounds like medicine is a little different in Sweden. Maybe I'd better go on a medical fact-finding mission toot sweet. Say, thanx for the card--it's almost as tall as you are.

jk--I would love to hear Rapunzel & Reflections revisited.

fezo, RS--Two very good points, you guys: sometimes it's a case of knowing too much; and we invite ridicule when we intentionally distort our faculties. I still hate it. Funny is determined so much by your history. The only thing I know too much about is my own experience, plus spending a lot of time with alcoholics and addicts who are powerless over and destroyed by their disease. If I saw it as a transcript, I'd still know he was drunk. So it's not just the delivery. I can get tickled occasionally by tipsy behavior, but not often. People tend not to get funny but obnoxious & stupid--so if the faculties to be distorted in this kind of humor are obnoxiousness & stupidity, then have at it--but it's not my type. Anyway, I don't think he was intentionally distorting anything except the meniscus in a bottle. But hey, I can't tell you what's funny or not. Just where it hits me.

Mu--your e is bouncing again.

St.Al....congrats to you and Mrs. St. Al on the news of the new bambino whenever he/she arrives!

my two cents on Dave Matthews Band....probably the best live show I've ever seen and I've seen a lot in the last 25 years....to compare DMB and the Dan is apples and oranges and I'm sure that no two people here like exactly the same music, we just happen to have an immense appreciation for the music of Steely Dan....while I do anxiously await the release of their new recording I will continue to enjoy Dave Matthews and anyone else who strikes my ears fancy.

I hate to see this deteriorate into a "my dick is bigger than your dick" type of thing so why not just everyone enjoy what they like and if you don't share an opinion then don't flame....I know we've all heard the expression "opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one" so chill out and enjoy.

P.S....I don't hide behind my handle, if you're really interested you can find out my name and where I live and what I do with a minimal bit of effort.

see y'all in a couple of days.....MC

DMB = grooveless swirling guitars?

huh? one of the band's main attractions is their sound is NOT guitar heavy, except when Tim Reynolds sits in and he's never sounded grooveless or swirling to me.

i don't understand why DMB attracts such harsh criticism here. their music is a lot more innovative than most of the artists out there and the front man never has claimed to be a musical genuis in any of the interviews i've read. in fact he seems to bend over backwards to give most of the credit to Beauford, Tinsley, etc.

Come on everybody...you know better. Dave Matthews Band sucks and so does Sheryl Crow and so does Alannis Morrisette. Just a bunch of tuneless, grooveless swirling guitars and bad singers who sing with their mouths open too wide. I don't care how many records they sell to cretians, this is not good music. I know I'm a Dan Bigot. My son tells me so all the time. I have to concede that these others must have entertainment value or they would not be so popular. But play DMB (anything) and then immediately play Babylon Sisters. Play Crow and then play Rikki Don't Lose That Number. You will instantly hear the dreck by comparison. Don't lose your stamina waiting for the new one!! Don't settle for this noise they call composing. Real arrangments are on their way. Walter and Donald will soon send us something to purify our air again and kill all these flys. Mu-chord snobs Unite!!!

Hey Wilson! Your name is one of my favorite Phish tunes! I'll bet you're a real fan of them...

This is fun?

Good news -- Just got official word there's gonna be a little StAl come around March of next year. That makes 2 ASSHOLES. You think we're ready for it?

Haven't changed a diaper in 9 years. It's like riding a bicycle, right?

StAl

now yur talkin turkey

have becker/fagen ever done anything with fripp?

levin? bruford?

good bones.

after looking at the latest posts i see a connection between this board and the wholesale slaughter of serbs, albanians, hutus, tutsis etc. etc. just as a hutu thinks it's a great deal to murder a baby tutsi with a club when he's in an anonymous crowd, people here start talking about music and end up hurling the most vile insults as they hide behind net handles.

i think we need the women to come back to this board and the insane men should enlist in the manson family. perusing all this hatred just isn't any fun. can do that with my morning paper.

Yeah St. Al...Big Head Todd, another great group. Man, your taste is up your ass!

Dave Matthews is the anti-Dan.

Stradleneedledick: Evergren State College. Olympia Washington. DMB Opened for Big Head Todd and the Monsters. July 1994. Rumor has it you were hangin' round the mens locker room at that show.

Can't you do better than that?

Clas: Never said *tightest*. Close though. I'd have to say King Crimson is the tightest band in the world. At least, the tightest band I've ever seen... (3 dots just for you big boy)

StAl

Mr Chow - why?

Just give me a good answer on that and I'll do as you say.

C Fallasha

Everyone - Please go to the "Classic FM" (UK site) and vote in the "music of the millenium" vote for the best music of the millenium. Some of the categories are best band, best song, and best album. I've done my bit for Steely Dan. Also, while you're there, put in a plug for Beethoven. He's better than Mozart after all. The voting ends on the last day of July (5 days.

Cheers,
Mr Chow.

Sorry, had to take a piss.

Sven - Ellington hated Sweden? But he sure liked Alice Babs uh?

Fezo - thank you very MUCH. I'll go looking this afternoon.

...and Walter, ol pal, if you move to Sweden don't worry about work. You could be my assistent; walk the dog, tune my guitar, update my midisystem and so on. I could also arrange a meeting with one of our most famous guitarplayers, George Wadenius (god damn it, I've been hating that man since he threw me out from backstage in a club in Stockholm 1976, I was a little drunk but I just wanted to thank him for he had, via radio, introduced Steely Dan for me. But he was a big-wig then, he'd just came back from USA and Blood Sweat and Tears, and he had learn how to smoke a JOINT!)

And though we both are socialists we'll split your money and you can move in with me and my wife (we wont split her though!).

StAl - the tightest band ever? Reminds me of the site on the O-Steely Dan site "Words not to use in the studio":

"- How tight do you want me to play?"

- Is Dave Matthews pregnant?

- Nahh, not much, just a little.

C Fallasha

?

Is Dave Mathews the guy from Traffic

St. Al,

Why don't you follow your heart and blow-off this SD waste and go for what you know? Dave Mathews. Hell, they were your "own little secret", right? Or do you just like hanging around gymnasiums? BTW, exactly what gymnasiums did you see the DMB perform in? Or was that just a figure of speech? If it was then I'm sure you can appreciate this: "Go fuck yourself, asshole." My figure of speech is a little more honest than yours.

Have a "Dave" Day,

Strat

St. Al,

Is there a new piece of software that will show the faces of the people that post here? Damn, technology is so hip!

hey, i hear that dmb eats really well on the road.. dey got dem a real live
CHEF.
yup. smart cookies.

wonder what w & d like to eat???

Alice's Unc: Dave Matthews' bandmates would be playing nightly jazz club gigs and living with roommates scraping for rent if it wasn't for their meal ticket, Dave Matthews. A nice parallel to the careers of Dias, Baxter, and Hodder, although I don't mean to put Matthews on the level of D+W.

If I let the egos of my favorite musicians influence my perception of their music, I would toss out more than half of my CD's. Get over it, celebrities are jerks.

oh COME on.
we show all our faces here.

dave's band is better than he is.

that's why it's called dave matthew's band.

DUH.

love, uncle pffred.

Why people who flame on this book are afraid to show their faces?

Steven Paul: I'll bet you are one of those glass-is-half-empty anal retentive types? You know, the type of guy with moderate inteligence but assumes to know more than he does. The type of person who's been scorned by their lovers more times than they care to rememeber, thus leading to my first point (or does the first point lead to the second point?). Yet all the while attempting to be hip by participating in a cyber-community such as this?

It's just a feeling I get based upon your post. Similar to the feeling you get from my posts. BUT WAIT! Could I be wrong...?

Dave is a human being first, rock star second -- unlike yourself. Get over it silly boy!

You know were to reach me...StAl

Clas: try "The Duke Plays Ellington", a 1953 Capitol release. A much later release of the same recording was retitled "Piano Reflections". In the early 60's, he did a record with John Coltrane. An intriguing combination, which I have never heard, but I plan to track down one day.

Clas--How are you? You know Duke Ellington hated Sweden even more than America so he chose the lesser of two edens. My english is rusty but I bet you get it!

What is Berkley? Is that where smart people go to bed and breakfast and save money by spending $2.50 for a quart of milk? Why are everyone's pants so big there? Do they have large genitals? Who is Dave Mathews? I heard a stupid song by him recently where he is fawning all over a girl like he is talking to a whore on a 900 line. Unfortunately it was on the radio. That was a mistake, right? I'm trying to get used to America. Is there some inside joke I'm not getting? I don't want to spend too much for my fun but then again not too little either. Does this make sense? How much is a glass of milk at a typical restaurant? Can you drink from the carton if you're just visiting or do you have to pour it into a plastic cup and keep it on-ice in your back-pack? Also, is it true Captain Kirk can get me a really cheap ticket?

Thanks You Bet,

Sven

Just went over the OD page and read Beckers latest. God, is that man funny or what?

"P.S. The doorman in question isn't black, in fact he's Italian. Is that gonna be a problem?"

Move to Sweden Becker, think you'd like it here.

As I've heard from friends who have lived in USA for months or years, when they get back to Sweden they say - I'll never complain about the Swedish taxes again.

AHHHhhAAA! NECK RUB!

Ole, I thought you meant something kinky here, I've been trying to figure out that one for days now. First I thought you wanted me strangled and then... well.

Yeah, neck rub, the human touch is the best thing ever.

ROY! I was on a jazzconcert yesterday. The band played Ellingtons "Come Sunday". I remember that you said your son used to sit in the livingroom playing Ellington-songs. You lucky bastard.

Can anyone recommend an Ellington-album, with just piano and his songs? Is there such a thing?

I love DMB. I saw them in LA in Oct last year, and they certainly justified St Al's claims. Carter Beauford kicks any drummer's ass. I just bought Remember Two Things, their '93 indie release, and I'm mightily impressed. They were destined for greatness. Also, the Live at Luther College CD with Matthews and Tim Reynolds is a gem. Yes, Matthews is a damn drunk and a stoner, but when he's playing- God damn he's great.

St. Al...I saw Dave Matthews do a solo show back about 8 months ago. This guy is so full of himself it's sickening. He talked more then he sang and between songs he kept on reminding everyone how hung over he was, and how cool it is to be a rock star. He just was the kind of guy you wanted to slap in the face. If his crowd is mixed in age I surely didn't see it. Everyone there was wearing University of whatever on there t-shirts jumping up and down with a mug of beer in there hand. I couldn't believe this cat could EVER get so popular! Again, he was the most pretentious, the most obnoxious person I'd ever seen.....no wonder you love him St. Al he sounds a lot like you.

There is a good reason Dave Matthews is playing Hartford for 3 shows. DMB has to be the most consistently tight live act I've ever seen, and I've seen them 9 times. Each musician in the band, save Dave himself, rules their instrument. I can't think of another drummer I enjoy watching as much as Carter Beauford. When Tim Reynolds plays guitar with them, they're equal to none.

But its more than that with DMB. It's the music. Hard to pin down -- blending a variety of musical styles -- Jazz, Bluegrass, Blues, Rock, etc. All this combines to make a sound that is fresh and relatively unique. Because of this approach, he appeals to a wider audience than any band I've heard in the last 25 years. Kids are turning their parents on to the sound (YEA RUBY!). More than a bunch of Fratboys and Girls, this band appeals to a MASS audience. I've been noticing a trend over the past 5 years. The age diversity at the shows has become dramatic. Ages 1 - 60+ can be seen at a DMB show, however, unlike the Dead, these guys have only been playing nationally for 5- 7 years. No hippies that never grew up, just brand new fans. If you think this band only appeals to the testosterone crowd aged 17-25, you need to get out of the house more often and educate yourself...

DMB is played on just about every radio format on the dial. Triple A, Rock, Cutting Edge, Jazz, Easy Listening, DMB can be heard on all of these stations. Perhaps this is why there are bound to be their detractors. Dave is dangerously close to becoming overexposed. However, unlike the Bee Gees or some of the others that fizzled and died, these guys have substance and are capable of pushing to envelope in order to stay fresh.

I can dig this band doesn't appeal to everyone. No band does. I hate Bob Dylan (*ducking*), but don't think for a moment I don't appreciate what he has brought to music. Frankly, I'd like it if you all STOPPED listening to DMB, this way I can go back to watching him in college gymnasiums when he was my little secret...

Hey! Anyone catch the Eric Clapton special on VH1. Steve Gadd on drums. Very cool. Watch for a rerun.

StAl

The same day of the unfortunate plane crash off Martha's Vineyard 15 poor people from Sri Lanka trying to reach Australia to start a new life were drowned. Who were they? Were they great human beings? The survivors are sitting in jail right now. If you're poor in this world you are not worthy of mention.
I think JFK Jr and his wife & sister-in -law are just as good as any of the other prople in this world, no better or worse.

did anyone see the All Blacks up to their old tricks against Australia tonight - they seem to be able to come in from the wrong side of the ruck without penalty - I guess when you have that reputation... but then you yanks don't know what i'm TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU? iNSULARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT.

Wayne - I have read your post again and I don't understand where I went wrong in my inital post. I wasn' imposing my own opinion on what should be done with their remains; of course I'm not a family member or friend; I never claimed to be. I merely wrote that their remains should be handled in the way that they had indicated, which, at the time of writing, I didn't realize was burial at sea. My suggestion that their remains be handled in the tradition of their families was kind of a back-up suggestion in case they had not left specific instructions, which obviously they had, but I did not know.

So, what did I do wrong? I was just going by what I knew, apparently there was some important information I wasn't aware of, but what about what I wrote was wrong? I have lost several family members (including both parents) and a number of friends in recent years and I would like to think that I know something about following people's wishes regarding the handling of their remains, since I've seen a number of conflicts come up, but if I've missed something essential, I'd like to know.

Sorry to have offended you; it was surely not my intent.

Wayne - Good point; a gravesite of a celebrity is ripe for desecration for those inclined to that sort of thing. I didn't realize that John, Caroline, and Lauren had expressed a desire to be buried at sea, but since they did, then I'm glad that their remains were handled as they wished. Everything is as it should be.

St Al: Dave Matthews is playing 3 shows in Hartford next week - nobody plays three shows in Hartford - even The Stones only played two shows. Did I really give my Stones ticket to my wife so I could stay home and watch UCONN-Duke? Was worth it still!!!!!

I'll be seeing George Thorogood and Steve Miller next week and Lilith Fair the week after with Sheryl Crow and The Pretenders. I've always liked Sheryl Crow and will be seeing her for the third time in a third different venue in the same state. First time was in a 300 person night club. My two concerts for the year, per national statistics for baby boomers.

For those of you who don't know it, Sheryl mentions Steely Dan in The Na-Na Song on her first album "Tuesday Night Music Club" "Cause anybody in a helmet looks just like a dick Steely Dan Rather be a hammer than a nail" Seems to right on target. And she plays the accordion to boot.

Altamira,
Are you in that much of a funk that you don't see it? Let's take Jim Morrison's grave for example; Those who are missing more than a few screws in their demented craniums, and there are a lot of them around visit his gravesite often. They defecate, urinate, and have their dogs do same, throw empty beer and liquor bottles against his grave, leave trash, spray paint his tombstone with obscenities and satanic icons, spit on his grave. This leaves your family to replace your tombstone every 3 or 4 years. Jim Morrison's family has replaced his stone 3 times already. JFK was smart. This way the fucking National Inquirer doesn't hire divers to find his coffin, open it and post pictures in their next edition to sell papers.
What you think would have been more appropriate or normal doesn't fit into the equation. You are neither his family, nor a good friend. A person's last wishes should be honored regardless of what it is.

Any word on release dates for Royal Scam, Aja, and Gaucho remasters? Are we waiting for proofreading or something? Fill me in, anyone.... don't misinterpret that, Peter.

Just Fucking Killed, Jr. - I've wondered about that too. Normally burial at sea is reserved for those who had some connection to the water. If they were buried at sea simply because they died there, that seems awfully grisly. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to find a final resting place for the remains that would have had some relation to their lives or to the way their families had handled this sort of thing before?

Regarding Aniton - Thank you for providing a different perspective on Jerome. I will listen to it again with a more charitable state of mind than I had before.

What I don't get, is why did the government bother spending all that money to find and retrieve the bodies if the family was just planning to throw the ashes right back in the water?

Come down to Crazy Howie's. We cut out the middle man.

Some things i think i think: That hero worship must come into play if people are serious about 11 TOW. That Antoin got his fifteen minutes of fame, and is still getting airplay, lets not get to serious about laughing with or at him. That Horses with Ricki Lee Jones is a nice throwback and a nice un- steely sound. That im sure thats got to be David Sanborn on the song The finer things off of My Mandarin Plum That the Jazz purists must love Rapunzel off of MMP That after hearing CHESTNUTS like Dallas and Sail the Waterway (they were OK) im glad their sound evolved to the Jazz- Rock fusion.

The way certain band members are snickering seems a tad cruel. Isn't there, however, a cruel streak running through the SD catalogue and isn't that part of the allure?
On the up side, his memory lives on - he'll always be there, lusting after those "purdy, purdy ones" with a bodhisattva to help him to the next life.
At the very least he got to share a stage with SD which is something I'll never do ... and he sounds happy - Rikki Lake not Gerry Springer.
In his own mind he was probably the 'fifth Beatle' or 'third Steely Daner' ...whatever.

Ruthie,

Watch television, eat, rearrange furniture (that's especially amusing when one is high; I'm laughing at the memory as I write this). In general, the same sorts of things we would be doing otherwise.

Guys, while I'm away, please don't post so much. I have to sit here for hours and read if someone is writing about/to me.

Oleander Nerium - barykardy uh? That's very dangerous (as tacycardy, the other way around) as I explained in a previous post. If your heart rate is under 50, stand up and jog on the spot. And read my posts more closely so I don't have to write the same things twice, it's night here and Pompe needs to take a piss, okay? So listen; When the HR is under 50, the electric impulses from the brain "forgets" what they are up to, so they just kind of looking the other way and stops sending out their electricity and you fall stiff dead right down on the floora. If you are lucky, the fall itself will turn that heartbeat over again, you know, like on "Chigao Hope" when they place a fist real hard on someones dead Sternum and the heart goes back to boom do be boom do be boom do be boom...

...and for a person like me, who is dying almost every day, it's called The Panic Syndrom (I have a very special diagnosis by the way; Vase Regulatorisc Astenia), is a valium now and then not bad (alcohol is making the symptoms worse though). Or rather, Xanor 2 mgs Depote.

Do you have Panic Syndroms over there? I know you Yankees panic from time to time but do you have this special Intellectual Type of Neurosis? It was invented by a Swede named Sigmund Freud, a very talented professor.

GoodKingRichard - nah, I didn't stay in town to see her. It was raining.

Altamira - thanks for the Zoo-info. And you are right, bagpipes are great! But it shall be outside, live. Great.

Schwinn - who died? Well, as I said, I am almost dying every day.

RubyBaby - the Cars would be great! But... I have no licence!

As I am reading what I just wrote, something struck me, is it really so that I am a very selfcentered person?

Altamira- What else do you do with your friends when you're drunk and high?

"She's got a Steely Dan in her hand"

Ah, Drunks.. I quit laughing for a couple Of reasons.. First was after working several years for one band or another doing sound & equipment, I got really sick of the 2AM Drunks who hang around when the bar closes.. There's always the Local Musician who wants to play your guitars or drums.. And the Drooling Sexpot with makeup running everywhichwaybutloose who's ready to Ball the Band.. or the Redneck Bully-Boy who's gonna show them faggot Moozitians who can really kick ass.. Quick shot to the shins with a mike stand brings this variety of Asshole right down like a tree..
All fueled by alcohol..
Then there's those cold dawns in the emergency rooms seeing if some buddy or other was gonna live after wrapping a car around his face... Other than that, I guess it's Live & Let Live..

Roy Scam - I MUST stop posting late in the evening when I'm less likely to be precise in what I write.

My friends and I often laugh at one anyther when we are drunk and/or high and say and do really stupid things. Sometimes these things are so ridiculously amusing that we talk about them for years afterwards. This is perfectly valid. I just don't find that intro funny, which is why I don't like it. It doesn't have a damned thing to do with the person sounding drunk. I just don't think it's funny. Please ignore what I wrote last night; I didn't mean it; from now on out I will read everything I post several times before posting it to make sure it precisely conveys my meaning.

Fezo - Oh, I guess I didn't explain what I meant very well. Personally, I have no trouble laughing at what drunk and/or high people say if I find it funny - as a matter of fact, it's something I do fairly often. I just find that intro more irritating than funny, which is why I don't listen to it. Also, it does bring back some embarrassing memories of times when I have babbled in a similar manner, and I tend to avoid things that cause that sort of negative nostalgia. Hell, I'd be the last person to ever object to what people laugh at.

Sorry about the typos in the previous

Bye

SFK

hi.

Can you believe this. I am sitting here waiting for my colleagues to fuck off so I can start working on my resumé and get out of the shit hole where I work.

Anyone know of any decent record companies that require a decent inter/intranet webmaster?

I'd apply to D&W of course, but I think they have that covered!

Another instrument I can't stand.

The 'cor-anglais'. A pathetic oboe extension with 2 stupid ends. One's bent, the other is bell shaped. It's as irritating to look at as it is to here.

Oleander: The little Steelies are pretty cool. (although expensive!)

Laters babies

SFK

Until enlightenment at Danfess 2, I always thought the Anitron intro was just the product of inherent stupidity and a bit too much desire to sound hip to the crowd. I also thought it was funny as hell. I still do. Was it wrong for me to laugh at someone cause in my mind he was stupid? What's the difference between laughing at him for that reason or laughing at him if I thought he was a funny drunk.

Obviously, I think this is an instance of knowing too much. What if the next biographer after Sweet discovers that during the recording of Aja Walter and Donald got their jollies by performing ritual sacrifices of baby seals? As a consequence, would we all like the album any less?

Why didn't JFK, jr. shower before leaving for the Vineyard?
He said he'd wash up onshore.

What do the Kennedys miss most about the Vineyard?
The runway

What was JFK's final thrill?
Going down on Gay Head

Why was JFK flying to the Vineyard?
He was gonna crash his cousin's wedding

What will they name the movie?
Three funerals and a wedding

How are JFK, jr. and penguins alike?
They're both cute as hell and can't fly worth a damn.

If anyone understands the reference here, please enlighten me. Do you think it is a play on words Asia/Aja or does this guy just not know what he is talking about?

http://www.washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-07/23/050l-072399-idx.html

Dr. Mu: Good call on Ben Fold's "Don't Change Your Plans" borrowing from "Gary, Indiana" (sung in the movie by Ron Howard, I believe). I usually notice similarities like that, e.g., "Give Peace A Chance" borrowing form Sonny Bono's "You'd Better Sit Down Kids". Or Paul Simon's "Drizzle of the Rain" using the tune of "Bob Dylan's Dream". Or Donald Fagen's "...mad about Brubeck" sounding like "..reelin' in the years".

Ole, Altamira: I don't like the Anitron intro either, mostly because it's too long and pathetic to really be funny. Foster Brooks would have done it better.-- But I hate to draw lines about what can be made fun of. Don't we invite ridicule when we intentionally distort our own faculties? To wit, wasn't Spicoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" a great character, and Otis Cambell on "Andy Griffith"? Maybe it's like life: The whole story may be sad, but sometimes the little events that make it up are amusing.

RS

Ahh, the contest that won't die. Actually, the judges have ruled that since St. Al didn't officially enter "Dave Mathews" as the world's ugliest instrument then he cannot be deemed the winner. Nothing like good, solid, heads-up officiating to keep the strike-zone intact. My apologies to the Saintly One for assuming his admiration of Dave Mathews was not genuine. Evidently I can't tell a tongue from a cheek.

About 11 TOW: Changes everytime you listen to it. Only Mr. Becker would deliberately emulate programmed rhythms with real players. The album that ate Las Vegas.

Wearing a Cup,

Strad

Sick mommy kitty has been occupying my thoughts and my time today, but the hours I took off from work to take her to the vet have turned out well, she apparently has a uterine infection which I'm keeping under control with antibiotics. Of course, a month from now she won't even have a uterus!

Lyrical Ballads - I definitely see your point; Becker has limited his options by using this point of view. However, this doesn't seem to affect most of the other songs.

Oleander - Ok, I got a bit carried away in my initial enthusiasm. It's still an impressive work, however, with some lyrics that really cut to the heart. I am not familiar with Waiting for the Sun, but I will check it out. Alright, something new to order!

Regarding the Aniton intro - I've always skipped over it. And I do know about alcohol and drug abuse from my own personal experience, which makes this intro especially uncomfortable for me - damn, I know what it's like to get up and babble, and I don't like hearing anyone doing it; it brings back too many bad memories.

Ruby Baby - Yes, certain lines do seem to be written by one or the other. But they did collaborate on all the lyrics and music, so it would probably be impossible to determine exactly who was responsible for what.

Instrument Curious - Panpipe? It's a legitimate instrument and has been used sporadically in classical music.

Toucan Puerto Rican - Hey, don't take my word for it; some people like the CD; some don't. I've listened to it a number of times since I bought it and I find more to appreciate in the music each time I hear it, kind of like Kamakiriad, but it would be better for you if you listened to some soundbites from it first.

11TOW : the first person narrative lacks the speaker's fallibility so evident in SD's best work - sometimes they're up there with Robert Browning.
Whatever happened to my college belle/When did she turn into the wife from hell/ gives away the whole song in the first line.There is no real insight into the character of the speaker so it doesn't really go anywhere. Contrast this with : Agents of the Law/Luckless pedestrian ect. through the speakers words, we see their character.
Check out "My Last Dutchess" or "Gaucho".

Ole: Honey, dry those tears. Jeez, I thought cynicism was something we all aspired to here. Trying is Kinky's department anyway.

Stranger: We're gonna tie you up and force you to listen to Surf and/or Die 18 times in succession. Then you'll get it. ket's face it, on 11 TOW and Kama they were trying to do something different. Walter could have easily released an album that sounds like the China Crisis CDs he produced if that was what he was after.

fezo--ah, broken hearts.... In a technical sense that wouldn't be a heart attack, since what happens there is that the heart is asphyxiated suddenly. Ventricular rupture is when the bottom, strong chamber of the heart just blows. Pretty sudden exit then. But when people die soon after a loved one I don't think it has very much to do with the heart. Vonnegut thought such people form a karass of two. There must be neurochemicals we don't know about, and maybe as Mu says some triggering of accelerated apoptosis, and/ or Something In There, the psyche, that just says it's time to go. Which must take incredible strength, since there are so many people who seem to want to die, or try to kill themselves slowly, but who just keep hanging around, tortured and miserable. So maybe it isn't really dying of a broken heart but segueing into another tune of existence (going up?), maybe even reuniting with the loved one for real.

Stranger--Dark City, deeply flawed though it was, was cool. The imagery was fabulous. Seeing those buildings creak up out of the ground gave me the goosebumps. PS, Geena is getting strokes.

James--great story.

Rubybabe--Now wait a second. I was kind of hinting to Mu but he didn't rise to the damn bait. Naw, I'd love to be your aide-de-tuchus.

SFK--Mazel tov, dude! How are the little Steelies?

OMIO--I dig Spirit. Saw them once in a high school auditorium; still have some vinyl and bought 2 cd's last summer.

Clas--hey, honey: hold the whiskey & Valium, OK? How about a nice neck rub?

Alta--I love 11TOW, though I wouldn't call it a masterpiece (drum tracks, eg). After all those years of mystery, I feel as though Mr. Becker invited us into the basement to watch reruns with him. You can get Waiting For The Sun from the dreaded amazon, or maybe order it from your friendly neighborhood independent bookseller. Is the Savile still open?

Mu--I am not a cynic, so stop trying to hurt my feelings. You know how inadequate and inferior I feel around true cynics. I think Kubrick is anything but constant, judging from the vast range of his work.

Chick--you are on the list for the next ACC DanFest. In fact, how would you like to plan it?

KDF--So sorry, one more rant. I hate the Aniton intro. I fastforward past it. It's a humiliating example of a drunk encouraged to make an ass of himself. Sure, some of the stuff he says is funny, but the band was a bunch of young, callow, clueless assholes to allow/ encourage him to do that. Anyone else live intimately with alcoholism or drug abuse? Then maybe you know what I mean.

Hello DanFanDom!

Hoping you are all engrossed in waiting for the "New One", as I am.

Interesting about all of the people who were involved in the horn arrangements for the Steely Dan albums. Reads like a "Who's Who"

Just wanted to say "Houston, we ain't got a problem", tonight and hope you are all doing well----matter-of-fact, GREAT!!!

Keep smiling, and remember your attitude will get you much farther than your education or skills.

KatyDanFan, I will meet you in two weeks, wife-for-life, HSRD!

Cheers!

ES

sounds like a pan flute to me.

watching Clapton on VH1 as I post.....very nice.

Ole: Can I please be The Objective Observer? I know I'd be great at that! And hey, I could use an ass-istant, too. Are you free?

Let's hold a contest. We can call it Guess Who!

Altamira (and everybody): I've often thought that certain lyrics just say Walter. Like, "Turn up the Eagles/ the neighbors are listening." And "No he can't sleep on the floor/ What do you think I'm yelling for?" And some lyrics seem to say Donald. Like, "I recall when I was small/ how I spent my days alone." And, "You walked in/ and my life began again." I wonder if they ever kept track of who wrote what. Lyrics are important, but it's the music that grabbed me by the hair and never did let go...

rb

OKay, here's one for you: A wind instrument - it has maybe 6 or 8 bamboo(?) pipes side by side, each one a bit longer than the previous, and you blow into the top. Saw someone playing it in performance over the weekend. For $25, what is this instrument?

Ugly instrument, Piccolo. There has to be another instrument that does the same damn thing. Very similar to a Steely Dan.
There's usually a sexy girl playing one in any high school band.

Alt: Wow, I guess I'll have to go out and buy the CD now.

So, is rock-n-roll really dead? Is this crap I'm hearing on the radio really, rock? St. Al, where do you classify Dave Matthews and Phish? Hey, I can dig both, and Crash is best CD I've heard in years, but my 70's roots can't call it rock. What's your take drummer Schwinn?

Will Don and Walt be on any stage December 31, 1999?

Lyle Lovett has a great live CD out.

some of you kids must be listening to a different 11 tow than i got. mine has about 2 interesting tracks and several others which sound exactly alike and aren't much good in the first place. becker is a talent, but he's part of a fine formula. without the rest of that formula he's more like an ingredient.

geena went on a long, fragile, life-altering journey and i'm sure she could use positive encouragement.

Send all your money to me and you will double your investment in six months; three months if you can also send me a copy of the latest Brittany Spears video

Regardless of what any of you thought about the solo efforts, you will not be disappointed by The New One. The Steely Dan label won't be put on just any old music. They have high standards, higher than any of us have for them.

Go Girl! 11tow best Cd of the 90's. However if you read the lyrics to to outtakes from 11 and wet, and 1/2 of kama, it does not bode well for the new album. Where is the poetry, where is the caring about each and every word, where are the compleatly right field kacamamie phrase that are stilll evident in walters writing, say on the home page and the new liner notes? get's me?

Worst instrument(s) of all time

1. David Palmer
2. Oasis
3. The Corrs

Infact, substitute the word 'instruments' for 'tools'

Gotta hop

Laters

SFK

Regarding 11TOW - Oh, well, we all have different opinions. Maybe I just like it because it's different - while I will always adore Fagen's well-crafted and well-performed music, it does tend to be a little...mainstream, maybe. Of course, this can be a good thing, since Fagen's music has many qualities that are found in music that has stood the test of time, as I'm sure his will also. I just like something different now and then, like that avant garde choral music I listen to that people think is so wierd.

I do find the lyrics on 11TOW more interesting than the music - I think that if Fagen and Becker had been one of those great songwriting teams in the earlier part of this century, Becker would have written the words and Fagen the music, since that seems to be where their stronger abilities lie. (Note: I am not saying that Becker is not good at writing music or that Fagen is not good at writing lyrics, I'm just referring to relative skill.)

alta, alta....
come be my marshmallow bunny.
you vixen you.

Fellow loyal subjects of the SD realm...
Good to see that there has been no let-down in the quality and substance in the recent posts. I haven't looked in for about 6 weeks or so but I see Ole, Alta and others are keeping the place respectable and interesting.

Got back last week from the big 2 week family vacation in SC and have a little advice for y'all.
Visit Annapolis! I made an overnight stop there and found Maryland's capital city to be a charming and vibrant stop. The USNA is definitely worth the tour. Fascinatingly tranquil harbor and port. But 2 major "Don'ts" Don't stay at the Loews Annapolis. The "4 Star" accomodations there are a rip-off! The rooms are the worst I've ever seen! Musty, moldy smelling and humid with carpeting so brittle you don't want to walk barefoot or wonder why it's so crusty. The bathrooms I can't even begin to describe from the fungus-coated showers to the peeling wallpaper. UGH! Stay at the Marriott! And don't eat at Phillips'on the wharf. Having eaten at the one at the Inner Harbor in Baltimore a few times, the one in Annapolis is a sad copy. Wonderful location and view. Lousy service and tasteless food. Tourist prices. Try the out-of-way taverns instead. Got to see the Titanic exhibition in AC on the trip home. Fascinating and chilling at the same time. Ironic that John jr. dies in the ocean a week later... Very sad.

Anybody seen Geena?

So where's the new release? What's the latest bullshit excuse for the delay?

Who died?

11WOW : certain homework was not done -for example :
hard up case/cringemaker/girlfriend/my waterloo/this moody bastard
and by the way -little kawai sounds like something Ricky Lee Jones might have left lying round the studio.

Mu : 11TOW - it's like Dan alright - without Donald Fagin. Ha

"miraculous" ? "on key" chants ? harmonizer ? ja

FANOFDAN!......I`m a 54 model , the same as the FJ!!...I had an FX & FJ { Crusing with visors down!! }...............BY!!

Altamira: Welcome to the home of the brave. Wonderful review of 11 TOW. At times he seems as if he wants to smash the Dan veneer much as he does the windshield on the back cover. It's like Dan - stark raving naked...the elegance is in the body, the form as the skin is peeled away. As usual it those little touches that mean so much: Walter's exquisite solo on Junkie Girl, the end guitar solo rising to hysterics on Lucky Henry, the gateway key(board) chords to the Bob Sheppard solo on Book of Liars, the miraculous on-key chants of the monks on Surf and/or Die, the echoing reverb guitar shords rising on slow cadence during the verse on Girlfriend (don't think I've head a better song since '94)...my wife is impressed with his enunciation and phrasing - a great poetry read.

Hey BFF fans: Did you all notice that the melody line of the verse on Don't Change Your Plans for Me sounds a bit like the chorus in Gary, Indiana from the "Music Man?"

fezo: I dunno. Maybe some things are better left undissected. Having said that, it could be a big bolus of stress hormones like cortisol and epinephrine (adrenaline) eroding the flesh and mind...a whacked out immune system and systems failure..maybe a systemic dance of an elegant funereal process known as "apoptosis" or "programmed cell death" usually saved for cells which sacrifice themselves to save others - the most natural altruistic streak in us. I think about stories about people (this is a theme among some American Indian cultures) or animals that find a special place to pass once their time is up.

Alt: sorry to say but I don't think 11tow stands the test of time that well. I liked it for about a week but over the years it was missing from the 'rapid rotation' pile. Lyrically I think he misses DF's polish and musically , I mean, it's pretty basic stuff - Fagen would never settle for a standard shuffle(see keyboard video). There was filler in Pretzel Logic , but that was due to Record Company pressure ... know what I mean.

Willie: Like I said -- couldn't resist.

Also can't resist poinint out your asshole, er, uh, I mean opinion doesn't count for much around here either...

Wait till I start talking about Phish or Widespread Panic.

Signed,
Fratboy

James - you da man,baby - you da man !
What fun !

I went over to Tower Records today to see if they had 11TOW, since they didn't the last time I checked. Well, today was my lucky day, since they had one copy.

Not only did I love it, I was absolutely blown away by it. What a masterpiece! The music is lively, unusual and imaginative and quite pleasant sounding, too. And the lyrics are marvelous - Becker shows once again what a master of the English language he is; just a brilliant use of words. The wonderfully imaginative settings, characters, and images (I just loved the part about visualizing the rabbit) are brought to life with a wonderful economy of words - Becker can convey a tremendous amount of information in just a brief phrase. He also covers an immense range of emotions - shock, horror, despair, laugh-out-loud-humor, parental love - in a way that makes them immediately real to the listener. I had known that Fagen co-produced this CD, but I didn't realize that he played keyboards on it and arranged the horns. His influence can definitely be heard, particularly on Girlfriend, but on other cuts as well, much as Becker's influence can be heard on Kamakiriad.

I am perplexed by the negative comments from reviewers regarding this CD. They said it was strange and hard to listen to; I found it quite accesible. They said it was minimalist and harsh; it doesn't have the sort of hyper-polish that the late SD albums had, but it does have enough instruments to give it a full sound and the production is smooth and polished. They referred to Becker's voice as a croaking groan (or something like that); he actually sings quite well, with a pleasant-sounding, clear, strong voice; good tuning; and crisp diction. Of course, they might have been misled by Becker's use of small intervals between notes, but then he appears to have a rather limited range and probably takes this into account when he writes his songs. I'd much rather hear him sing well on notes that are comfortable for him than hear him sing badly on notes that are too high, as he does on Jack of Speed. Also, Becker's singing style is, in places, somewhat similar to Fagen's - the phrasing, the pushing and pulling of tempo, and the use of emphasized consonants, as in Cringemaker.

All in all, I just don't get why this remararkable album was panned by so many critics (although the wiser ones recognized its virtues) and sold so poorly. I suppose this was due to the poor standards of today's critics and listeners; they're so used to all that miserable crap that passes for popular music these days that they just can't handle something creative, original, adventuresome and witty. It's their loss; they would be greatly enriched if they spent some time listening to this remarkable work.

I'll be listening to nothing but 11TOW for the next few weeks, until I feel that I have absorbed it and come close to appreciating all it has to offer. I know I'm gushing here, but this amazing CD deserves this sort of reaction.

In all the years I've been listening to SD, I've always been especially drawn to Fagen, and I'll always appreciate his warmth and delightful music. But as I've become more familiar with Becker, through his music and his writings, I find that I like him more and more. His low-key, subtle style has really grown on me. I think that Fagen's music may be more accessible initially (I'll grant the critics a point here), but Becker's music has its own ineffible charms that come to one who is ready to discover them.

(One other point - as has been mentioned in many places, although Fagen and Becker have completely different singing voices, their speaking voices are remarkably similar, and where Becker speaks on this CD, he sounds just like Fagen! It's bizarre. Of course, it's just the voices that are similar; Becker's and Fagen's manner of speech are different, but on short, spoken phrases, they do sound very much alike.)

Ruby Baby - I grew up in a house built in 1927, but my parents were not as interested in historic preservation as I was, so my father replaced the original handles on the bathtub faucets with modern ones back in the 1960s. Fortunately, when the house was sold after my parents died, it was bought by people who were highly committed to preservation and spent a mountain of money fixing up the old place.

I've been avoiding the Bible for years, but I just got something in the mail from a group that is producing a new inclusive-language translation that, to judge from the sample they included, avoids the hideous prose that has marred previous attempts in this genre. I might actually order it. There are some great images of strong women in that book, but centuries of sexist translators managed to put a heavily male slant on things.

Dang, I just had the biggest crush on Heart when I was in college! Their videos just made me salivate.

James - Yes, it does require some pretty amazing musicians to keep the level of enthusiasm this high after so many years of their not producing anything new. If the new one combines the best of 11TOW and Kamakiriad, along with some undefinable factor that results from Becker and Fagen working together throughout the entire process, it should be quite mind-bending.

oops. Hit that enter key too soon. See previous post.

Altamira: Hey, the Official Dan page does have old fashioned bathtub water handles! I love those. I have fond childhood memories of Mr.Bubbles and rubber bath toys.

Oleanderbabe: Welcome back. We missed ya. I hope you had a grand time in the North. You explained the heart thing in a very understandable way. You're an exception to the rule where docs are concerned. I almost died of a broken heart once.

Fezo: I didn't read much of the bible in college, or anything else for that matter, except for microbiology which I loved. That might help explain why I didn't finish. Don't worry, I'll get around to it!

James: You were in a booth with Walter? I wish we could go back in time, and swap experiences. I'd swap ya a backstage night with Heart in the early days. (late 70's, I was a mere child) This is negotiable, of course...

StAl: My son brought his Dave Matthews cd this summer when we went on vacation. I loved it so much! I sat on the porch, watched the waves & the sunset, grilled some chicken and enjoyed the DM cd. I will never forget it.

rb

It is always fun to check in to this board and see what people can shovel up to talk about in the futile, barren years between signs of creative life from SD. The discussion must be kept alive in spite of having little to say, kind of like a filibuster. If we discuss music, we can always talk about brushes with Dan, like hearing Dan/session great Larry Carlton who is now on tour (check pollstar for dates). Don't miss him, the show is awesome. Or, Doobie/Dan great Michael McDonald who is on tour, enough said. Or, how about seeing Dan/session great drummer Steve Gadd behind Clapton on VH-1. When the new one actually comes out the shock and reality of having something really pertinent to this board to talk about will probably make us all gag. Isn't is amazing that their music is so wonderful that it has made such deep impressions on us that it keeps us suspended all this time? I remember when I met Walter and engineer Roger Nichols in a NAMM convention booth in Anaheim for Meyer loudspeakers a few years ago. I thought I was going to have an out-of-the-body experience. No one else was in the booth so I just walked up and introduced myself to Walter and told him I was his biggest fan. He had no mercy on a statement that dumb. He immediately disagreed and remarked that I wasn't all that big. We had a laugh. I discovered they were just human beings, but they were pretty hip. Oh well, babel on.

Nice come back St.Al. Do me and alot of other people here a favor, and don't mention Dave Matthews and Steely Dan in the same sentence.

Straddle Various: No sir, my guess is the ugliest instrument in the world is in your pants...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

StAl

Mu/Ole: How do you explain a broken heart? In other words, what are the medical reasons behind the off heard tale of the otherwise healthy soul who after the death of a loved one follows shortly thereafter. What's going on physiologically in the heart in those instances?

Ruby: I did most of my Bible reading in college where I took numerous courses on the New Testatment. I was always most struck by the letters of Paul who was trying to constantly calm the fears and answer the questions of the new Christian communities.

Alt: Great analysis of Becker's writing. I agree. One reason I've always liked his writing is he seems to write with much joy/appreciation (not hate) of the power of words. Nothing is stilted; his "letters" always seems spontaneous and passionate.

Lew Chang - You're most welcome. I hope the video grows on you. It'll always be a "nice to have" so keep it on the shelf.

Fanofdan - Cheers! I hope Kiama's not as cold tonight as it is here. If it gets any colder & windier, it'll be snowing!

Lew Chang

Seen your first post regards the video Mr Chow sent you!
You seemed disapointed.
I don't know what your vintage is but I can remember seeing the clip when it was released so I knew exactly what to expect and was more than happy to recieve it( and we have since become good friends).
BURN WITH RAGE IF YOU MUST.......!
I've been burning for 23 years with questions! Why don't they release this & that.Why do they announce a world tour in 93-94.
Are we not on this planet! Japan is? Not enough money here mate! thats the problem,but don't give up loyal danfan a live video might not be that far away.All I can suggest at this point in time is keep watching these pages,you never know you luck!

Mr Chow!... In case you didn`t read my last entry here, thanks again for the video!. I`m now waiting for Don & Walt to send me the " Alive In America" concert on video!!................I WISH!!!! These guys make me BURN WITH RAGE! with their lack of support? to their loyal fans................By!!!

Oleander - regarding Lasix, I was only going by what I read in a few horse magazines, but I can see how a fluid flusher would also work well for horses bleeding from the lungs. Whatever it does, it seems to work well for horses with this problem and has been used for years to treat the condition. Thanks for the information. And it's not just medicines that have different effects in different species, that's true of food as well - chocolate is poisonous to both dogs and cats; they lack the enzyme needed to digest it.

For those who didn't like Becker's letter to Giuliani - Despite what anyone might think of the content, it was still quite well written - Becker has a real flair for satire and his writing is good in other ways, too - broad vocabulary, good consistency of tone, excellent grammar and punctuation, something any aspiring writer ought to take a look at.

Ole: good to have you back. Nice formula - Where's the kubrick Constant? or the hurling hunk of metal function?

Oh, Oh - tech talk: I don't think athletes in general have a much greater ejection fraction (measure of efficiency). What they do have is a greater end-diastolic volume which leads to greater stroke volume and a move vigorous parasympathetic tone.

English: The hearts fill up more (this gets way complex) and the heart idles at a lower rpm as the pacemaker is slowed.

Good point about the sick nix with the slow hearts - Clas you don't qualify. BTW, Rudy and I will take the posterior data and dreate the first 3-D hologram in the Journal of Irreproducible results.

Great stuff about the ugliest instruments. Did anyone else feel like they were in the middle of Peter and the Wolf for a moment?

Jeez, toasters?.... Though I did myself once ask for advice on tape decks, which request was kindly and expertly answered, though I ended up brutally ignoring it.

RS--The growing season for O. northus is extremely short and over as of today. You know I meant William, don't you? And I really will be right back.

Edd--First prize for syntaxmanship. No wait--syntax; that's what Roy & Q were discussing.

Debunking Dept.:

1) Lasix is not a blood thinner. It (generic=furosemide) is a loop diuretic (fluid flusher)used largely in heart failure and high blood pressure in humans. Medications made for humans often have very different effects in animals--and vice versa, eg PCP.

2) "I cried because I had no shoes" etc. etc. is not an instance of empathy but therebutforthegraceofgoditude.

3) Not all straight men have flat butts. When my eyes have meandered south of Herm's & my favorite spot, the dimples of Venus, they have often noted the callipygian curves on guys of hetero orientations. Mu, here's grant material: what say all the guys of the GB send pix of their buttocks (can be clothed) to some objective observer, who will tabulate & report who's got what? Could be blinded--the observer wouldn't know the sexual orientation (much less identity) of the sender. BTW, there's a great cartoon in a recent New Yorker: son & father walking down the beach, both with HUGE butts; son says, "Thanks, Dad, for almost everything."

4) Inexhaustible. "Inexhaustive" means "not exhaustive."

5) The heartbeat thing. There is (are?) a finite number of heartbeats in each person's lifespan. Obviously. It just can't be known except in retrospect. And if people could know how many heartbeats they had, would they want to know? And what would they do with the information? Sit there and count the rest of their lives? There'd be heartbeat counters available on the 'Net in, well, a heartbeat, programmed to extrapolate back to birth.... Until there's a chip that can start counting at birth or at the first beat of a post-conus in-utero heart, depending on where you want to start, you'd never know anyway how many exactly had ticked away. So worrying about the finitude of heartbeats is a little pointless. But absorbing. And the number of variables determining their number is way more than Mu mentioned, say:

total # of predestined heartbeats - ([(smoking damage) + (extra avoirdupois) + (stimulant & other drug use) + (the Mu free-radical effect) + (damage from ancillary illness eg hypertension, high cholesterol, coronary artery disease) + ...] - [(aerobic exercise) + (good nutrition] + (other offsetting factors)]) = total # of actual lifetime heartbeats

Crunch that! And the bit about breathing fast if your heart rate is less than 50--noooo, the heart rate is automatic and comes from the atrium in the heart's pacemaker. The HR can be sped up by catecholamines triggered by the brain--stress hormones like adrenaline--but the brain doesn't cause the basic beat to occur. Many athletes have heart rates less than 50, but that's because their hearts are so damn efficient. Most non-athletes with heart rates less than 50-60 have sick hearts which either have a pacemaker that's dysfunctional, or impulses that aren't getting transmitted to the ventricles, either regularly or irregularly, or as a side effect of some medicine, like beta blockers. The delicate feedback system by which the pacemaker gets messages to modulate its rate isn't hacking it. The problem with these slow beaters is that at that rate the heart can't send enough blood circulating everywhere it needs to go, eg the brain. Often these hearts are damaged in other ways, which makes the problem even worse. As usual, the dynamic duo poetically summed it up, or at least the problem of extreme endstage bradycardia, in TTHOA.

Please forgive 1 1/2 weeks of catch-up--which I've just started. Gawd, I missed you guys.

Except "Walter sure...." You are an asshole.

Yo - Mr. Walt/blame/Rudi/yadayada,

I don't really give a shit what Walt thinks about that or much else for that matter - and I spend an awful lot of time focusing on his work product - so I don't know what your problem is. Do you spend your time worrying about every offhand comment every artist makes about various topics ?

Get a life - it's the work product - the ART..........

I don't care what Beethoven thought of the Pope, or Mick Jagger's attitude about the Kennedy's - but I like their work product.

Does your boss care what you think about race relations and police conduct in NYC ? You had better hope not.

And Walter does'nt go around pontificating in the news on all manner of social issues(like many performers who think their opinions mean something special) so it's not like you predicate your snipe on that prop.

As one of the posters a few back said - I cast my vote for worst sounding instrument for the mouths of "interlopers" like yourself.

PS I don't even agree with Walt neccessarily on the issue - but who cares!~!!!!!!!

Why did I waist my time on a response to this guy(?) - hell, I don't know.....
see ya

Q

freddy merc,
i deplore your juvenile attempts at humor. you should never have left the dorm. in fact, after reading what you have to say, i may have to re-evaluate the first amendment.

should Rudy blame Walter for the overdose of Karen Stanley?

Ugliest instrument:

1)Kinky's mouth

2)Claus bagpipe-ish mouth

3)all the mouths of the &$^^%#*(*)(*&$ interlopers who enter the board to down DF&WB

Bravo, Bravo... I thought that everyone had forgotten. "Throw a kiss and say godbye."

Don't know if this qualifies as "Ugly Instruments", but there was a guy named Harry Parch (sp?) who made his own strange instruments & composed entire symphonies for them.. "Delusions Of The Fury" is an incredible piece, if you can ever find it..

The Gorge: Try to catch a concert during the August meteor showers, the high altitude & crystal clear skies Make Tonight A Wonderful Thing...

Roy Scam - I think Louis Armstrong would have come out with a pretty decent version of "You're the Top" on the Didgeridoo.

Fanofdan - Still trying to get hold of a Steely Dan T-Shirt through E-bay. Haven't found one yet.

Was there any point to Freddy's post?

Did Freddy have something he wanted to tell us?

I can't believe this site hasn't beem shut down in honor of little John-John! How on earth can you think of anything besides little John-John's salute at a time like this? Gall Darn It! Why do all the best and brightest have to die in their prime when bastards like DF & WB continue to outlive the release date of their newest album? It's just not fair! He was the most handsome man in the world and would have married Princess Di if she hadn't died first! Not only that, but she could have taught him how to avoid plunging into the ocean at 100mph if she wasn't already dead! It's just not fair that important people die while dumb 'ol Coast Guard people have to look for them...

Darn that Kennedy curse! We were all just waiting for John-John to run for president in 8 1/2 years but NO! Now disenfranchised generation X'ers are going to get even more tattoos with un-sterilized needles just because little John-John couldn't make the first approach on a relatively calm, clear evening. Damn him! I'll bet the papparazi had something to do with it! Little John-John couldn't have possibly crashed in the ocean unless guys on motorcycles were following too closely and made him dive 2700 feet in 18 seconds. Just ask his friends! He must have seen the ghost of Lady Diana which would make him a saint and mean that he really didn't die but is holding his breath until Elton John writes a ditty to benefit world ignorance...

Killer Queen,

Freddie

Dear Contest Entrants,

St. Al wins. The ugliest instrument in the world is Dave Mathews.

The rest of you will receive specific instructions on how to construct your very own Didgeridoo out of PVC piping.

Aboriginal Ecstacy,

Straddle

*New Letter on the ODP*

Ruby: Larynxes on tables, milk on trapezes, flowered garbage cans. You can't get imagery like this anywhere else on the internet, ladies and gentlemen.-- Countdown was my first Steely album also; mostly because I heard (and just had to love) a song about post apocalyptic radiation poisoning that ends with a peppy beautiful guitar solo.

Hypothetically speaking about off-the-wall instruments: If you layed down on of those great Donald Fagen chord progressions and then handed a didgederoo or alpenhorn to, say Louie Armstrong, and said , "Hit it!" , would he come up with something?

Horticulturalists: Watch for the seasonal northern oleander (nerium northus) around the lakes of rural Michigan this time of year.

RS

Clas: Hey, Nordico! Yep, the Cars are fun. I can't believe you've never heard anything they did! It's *up music*. Ric Ocasek sounds like David Bowie sometimes. As for his looks, he is tall, dark haired and skinny. Sound like you! I'll send you a couple of my favorite pieces, if that's ok. Kyss!

Altamira: Thanks for the fantastic description of our beloved bagpipes. I enjoyed reading about your personal experience with it. I have not so much as even touched one, but love to hear a proficient player. On a lighter note: Last year, my parents drove to Penn for a well-deserved quiet weekend alone. Little did they know that the annual bagpipe convention was meeting at their hotel...

RoyScam: For the first time in my life I pictured a larynx sitting on the table waiting to be *played*. It was disgusting!
But the garbage can that I saw was beautiful! It was an old fashioned metal one with flowers painted all around it. Even the lid. (I had to do something to get rid of the larynx)

fezo: Thanks for the kind words (from a few weeks ago.) I'm actually reading the entire bible in a year. It takes commitment every day, but it's worth it. Food for my soul. It's a humbling experience ( in a good way).

President Street Pepperoni: KOTW is da bomb! I have it on vinyl (my 1st SD record was Countdown). It seems that they fade the end way more on my Citizen cd. Why they do that?

The finest 2 seconds of SD history: That hit-the-spot bend on the first note of Hey 19.
The finest 8 seconds: the start up for DTMA. It's like a quick climax. But then it gets even better.

I really love the way you talk. I don't mind sayin' so.
And I love it when you dance...

rb

A new record has been set. For the longest time Steely Dan held the record at the Gorge for the 1994 shows. I believe(?) that one held for a long time. That is, until this weekend...

Dave Matthews Band held 2 shows this weekend. I attended Saturday's show. I have NEVER seen the Gorge packed out as like this. THey must have sold 60-70k tickets combined. They oversold the campground for the first time ever. It was a freakin' madhouse. It took almost 2 hours just to drive out on Sunday. To make matters worse, OZZZZZZFEST was Sunday. Mixing meatalheads and DMB fans was a trip...

I guess the Gorge is getting quite a reputation. Of the dozen or so people we talked with on Saturday, well over half of them were from other states. FOr good reason, this is quite a venue even with the overcrowding. All I know is there is gonna be one HELLUVA party when SD rolls into town and you're ALL invited...

Anyone else out there catch DMB this year? One of the least inspiring DMB shows I've seen. None of the usual pyrotechnics or extended jams I'm used to. The fiddle player only destroyed one bow and Carter seemed as if he was holding back.

StAl

Used to hear the boss at the last chance talking about "Hits" and it weren't the Top40 - yikes

Hello All- Had a really cool thing happen on my regular (3 yrs) Friday night gig at Ft.Myers Beach,Fla.
This guy walks up to my Drumkit and says " I just Flew 1500 miles to hear some Steely Dan....you can't take a break yet!....I'm Edd from the GB!
Thanks Edd , you made my night! And your Lovely Girlfriend too. ( I suspect Edd is a Fine Bass Player too...we had a nice Music chat before they Left.)
Edd, I used to play the "Last Chance Saloon" in Worcester, Mass.
with P.F. and the Flyers , mid-70's ...I'm sure it's long gone now...LOL.

Well, just had to share my Dan Moment with you Folks.

David

Mr. Chow - I was just referring to the general shape of the didgeridoo, not the decorations.

Altamira: *Jazz* bagpipers?

Roy Scam - Your No. 9 is the Alpenhorn. Not pretty but good mournful stuff. Yodelay Hee Hoo!

Altamira - Don't forget that the Didgeridoo usually has quite a lot of aboriginal artwork on it. It's not that ugly is it?

somebody call the trouser tuba ugly?

oops, wrong page.

My thanks to David In The Florida Room for delaying his well deserved break between sets in order to play "Deacon Blues" and "Any Major Dude" for us.

Nice to meet you. I suspect we'll be seeing you over the holidaze...

Edd

Thanks for the treatise on bagpipes, altamira...as a wind player, I found it quite informative! With a slew of synths, samplers and sample players (tone modules), and just about every sound in the world at my fingertips, I have to vote for the Tibetan oboe, I think they're called shanais....sounds like a cross between a squalling baby and a large bumblebee. Of course, one man's shanai is another's english horn!

Here are my FAVORITE sounds, and you can BET my tunes are liberally spiced with 'em: concert grand piano, ring-modulated Fender Rhodes, vibraphone with fans on, english horn, soprano sax, french horn section, Rolandesque snyth pads with resonant filters and nylon guitar!

jk - I think the problem is that you have never heard bagpipes played well. They are an absolute bitch to tune and extremely difficult to play. However, when played well, they have a rich, deep tone and can produce some wonderfully complex music. Since a great Highland bagpipe only has nine notes (normally, that is; a few more notes can be added by false fingering, as is often done by jazz bagpipers), the music is made more interesting by adding embellishments. These are standard in form and attached to individual notes - this was the one area of piping I was good at since I can move my fingers really fast (I type 75 words per minute). However, in the classical form of bagpipe music, piobearachd (pea-brach), the embellishments go on for much longer than the melody notes themselves and get more complicated with each repition. I have found piobearachd to be quite meditative and zen-like. But I would like to go out there and smack all the bad pipers who give this magnificent instrument a bad name. Hey, I didn't want to take the time to practice enough to become a really good player, so I quit. If only others would approach the instrument the same way - get a good teacher, practice two hours a day, and bust your butt to learn how to play the instrument properly, or drop it and take up the damned melodica (oh, I'm bad, I shouldn't have written that!).

I wouldn't have gone on at length like this except that I hate to see a really good instrument unfairly maligned, although I can certainly understand how the bad influence of incompetent players can turn someone against the bagpipe.

Just the facts, maam; Thanks for correcting my mistake without pointing the finger. Didn't know about Highway though (wasn't Harry Secombe in that?).

Which RLJ bargain bins are these? Off to do some shopping right now...

Clas: hope you enjoyed/are enjoying the RLJ gig... you should be falling through the door about now.

Richard&kangaroos

here's the deal. why approximate? If you want to get the true sound that bag pipes mimic, run over some farm animals and sample the screams digitally . then play on a synth sampler.

life is easy - ive got all the answers!!!!!!

2. Want to get those great harmonica solo sounds of dylan and nash? - give a broken one to a 6mo old chimp and sign it to your band.

'blow' and 'coke' in the same sentence redundant?

American Psycho -- now that should be a horrible movie. The book was good, but it just strikes me as one of those books which could never translate well to the big screen. Because, of course, it will become exremely watered down, which will take the whole point of the book away. But, of course, it'll be a must-see, due to the presence of Reese Witherspoon.

I doubt there are any Mr. Bungle fans on this GB, but their new release 'California' is an excellent disc. Elements of the Beach Boys, Motown, Rockabilly, and Death Metal combined. Extremely Avant-Garde, extremely good.

Well! I can see we're in for some suprising revelations as we make our way towards crowning the world's "Ugliest Musical Instrument". And so it should be. According to my cypherin' skills, Bagpipes, clearly leads the way in this potentially combustible debate and I sincerely hope all entrants remain civil as we tally-ho.

Blowing in Coke Bottle,

Straddle

P.S. Let's try to be a bit more specific in our contributions than "Gourd with some slots in it" and "Stick with a string". We certainly don't want to make light of the many creative combinations our global family has used to compliment the universal disco ball...

Straddle Various - My nominee for ugliest instrument is the digeradoo (sp?), the giant wooden pipe native to Australia.

Clas - Regarding August Strindberg, there is reason for using the present tense, which would in this case refer to his continuing status as a great writer, despite the fact that he is no longer writing since he's dead. I rode by the National Zoo this morning and thought of you. I would suppose that they have tigers, but I don't know for sure since I haven't been there in years. I know they have lions since a man climbed into their pen a while back. The lions' handlers were able to get them inside before they could eat him like they did the last person who got into their pen.

President Street Pepperoni - ALRIGHT! Another Wagner Fan! I just love the Tannhauser overture, but I'm quite fond of Die Meistersinger too - I find the story quite interesting; it has much to say about musicians and composing. Would your dissertation be available at a university library, say, my alma mater, U. of Maryland? I'd like to read it.

RubyBaby - Fagen definitely plays the melodica well and there is something endearingly goofy about the silly little thing. He'd probably do well with the toy piano, too. There is a composer and pianist, I can't remember her name, who writes for the toy piano and performs concerts on this instrument, although she plays the regular piano in her concerts as well.

Hey, another Scot! The Scottish side of my family were Lowlanders, however.

Roy Scam and Mr. Chow - I used to play the great Highland bagpipe (there are many kinds of bagpipes; this is the one most familiar to people in the U.S.) and although I stopped playing since it is extremely difficult to play, I have kept it rather than selling it since I think it is quite pretty. The drone pipes and blowpipe, made of ebony wood, are quite elegant, and the white plastic (more ecologically responsible than the ivory it replaced) and stainless steel (it would be silver on a more expensive set of pipes) trim provide a pleasing contrast. The chanter, made of a dark wood, looks nice with the ebony pipes but provides a slightly different color and a more pronounced wood grain. The green cords with tassels swing around when the instrument is played and provide additional visual interest. The only component that doesn't look so good is the Gore Tex bag, which I ordered in place of a leather one since I don't use leather. It lacks the stiffness of leather and so when the instrument is not being played, it is kind of floppy and shapeless. Still, I think the thing as a whole is quite pretty and I like seeing it standing up in the corner where I keep the other musical instruments I don't play.

Also, my bagpipe was made by the only bagpipe maker in the States, Charlie Kron, who has his workshop in Dobbs Ferry, New York, not far from Annadale-on-Hudson.

Ugliest musical instument?: What a senseless waste of time. I'm in. -- I have a Jew's harp laying around my house and people are often asking me if it's an inter-uterine device. Other nominees:
1)rain stick,
2) bagpipes,
3)a gourd with some slots in it,
4)nose flute (I have one of those also),
5)the big train yard looking thing that Silver Apples used to play,
6)wash tub with stick and cable (I played one once and took six epidermal layers off my hand)
7) larynx (technically an instrument)
8) trash can (see Stomp)
9) and, of course, that ridiculously long, one-note, wooden thing that Swiss people blow on mountain tops.

SFK: That was a great misheard lyric from "My Rival". I'm still creating a mental picture of some milk flying into my house on a trapeze.

I saw a trailer for the film "Outside Providence" or something like that and they boastfully credit Steely Dan as part of the soundtrack but no details on whether they're using new material. Anyone seen the film. It looks interesting.

RS

Straddle Various - It has to be the Bag Pipes. It looks like a gigantic spider with a tartan abdomen (apologies to the Goodies).

Bret Easton Ellis' "American Pyscho" will be released on film in about Feb '00. Any chance of some Fagan in the soundtrack? I have recommended it at the AP site. Evidently the film has almost been completed but will be toned down from the book (I wonder why?). It is more likely that the soundtrack will contain some pretty lame "current hitters" for that instant appeal that mediocre film makers go for these days. SD lyrics seem to go well with the writing of Easton Ellis though.

FanofDan - Those manuscripts are brilliant! Good luck at the auction.

Ok, time to vote for the world's ugliest musical instrument. Extra points will be rewarded for the ugliest instrument that makes the most beautiful noise. Entries such as "Trouser Tuba", though somewhat amusing, will be disqualified.

Thank You,

Straddle

RubyBaby - is that right? I felt so bad, flaming that old piano was such a bad thing to do. If the piano was worn out, it's the concern of the Fender-family, it's no one elses business.

Are you listening to The Cars this week? I don't think I have ever heard them. I've seen the singer though, he looks like uh, never mind.

AND I ALMOST forgot. I got a secret yankeemessage a couple of days ago. August (funny how you spell that month, Augusti, August Strindberg was a great writer in Sweden) the 4th; Jackson Browne, Bruce Hornsby and Bonnie R are on the same stage! What a concert that'll be! North Carolina that is.

WELL, IF I SAY that August Strindberg WAS a great writer, that is correct by all means. But though his books lives on and on, it would be atu... atsu... astut... it would be correct as well if I did write, above, that he IS a great writer, wouldn't it?

No, I'm a little ambivalent on that issue. I'll eat up ground here, maybe Edd, dr Mu or Schwinn (no offense dude, you're in good company) can put their opinions here.

And woman, you are welcome too. I know how you like to schmooz around. Lipstick and powder and, well, girl talk. Throw in your two cents will you!

SO, "was" he good writer, or "is" he a good writer? Or is he just our national Scrambled Egghead?

Go on now, bust your guts.

Fuddy-Duddy

Just cried a bucket... not over JFK, sillies... over Wagner's Tannhauser overture -- hadn't listened to it in years, but it always... that and Fleetwood Mac's Seven Wonders... to find out why read my PhD dissertation on love (including the surreptiously taped conversations).

And got to say -- saluting MaybeBaby's DMV week -- only Elliot Shapiro and Company besides our Brill Boys really matter to me...

Been ponderin' the diff: letsee... blues vs. punk, psychoanalysis vs. psilocybin, China Crisis vs. Bad Brains... y'know what I'm sayin'?... didn't think so... (don't get me wrong tho: Freud uber Jung anyday, naturally...)... (damn, it's so easy to put too fine a point on it...)

Always thought if I'd write a song it'd combine elements of both, and add that dash of Wagner that Nietzsche turned out to despise so much (and rightly)...

No matter how much I love the Sam Donaldson Orchestra, still can't say -- 'cept for Larry's and Walt's guitar -- their songs have moved me. Third World Man and Deacon Blues come close -- oh, and of course, that KOTW final guitar, IMHO SD's finest 30 seconds!... But that aside there's an effect Ric's stuff consistently achieves -- hypnotic, shiny, yet spare and distant -- that make Just What I Needed, Emotion In Motion, Drive, Bye Bye Love and Dangerous Type somehow profounder than everything except Pretzel Logic (the song)...

Candy-O, I neeeed you...

jk: One of the coolest things about Fagen is that he plays a Melodica! And he does it with flair. Hey, he can make a child's toy piano sound like a baby grand, no doubt.

Bagpipes are nothing like a Melodica, but they are an honorable instrument. As a Scot, I have an understanding of the meaning of The Pipes. One must earn the right to play them y'know.

Come to think of it, Donald Fagen could pass for a Highlander...

rb

donald doesn't use a pick - he uses a MELODICA - NEXT HE'LL BE PLAYING BAG PIPES!

I know a cat who calls tuesday a friend

that's "pix"

Clas: It's okay to mention the condition of the instrument. It was a well-loved Roots Fender Rhodes. Old is better sometimes ... like friends.

having a Cars week,
rb

mmp is good listening. I'd love to see a color cover though with picks of Donald & walter. However, keep them coming!! Walter sings mw.I don't know why you think donald is singing. I don't know why donald never put out a rarities CD!

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Is My Waterloo with Fagen on lead vocal, on Mandarin Plum ? F Fall of 92 is nice, great sax What was the reason for over 3 years in making of the new one, was it In search of excellence, or lack of creative juices? or just takin their good old time? 3- half years sounds excessive !

I'm so sorry. I should not have meantioned the look of The Roots Fender Rhodes. It sounded great and that is what counts. How it looked is non of our business.

J.K. you got mail ! Pittsburgh Blues Festival this weekend with the Legendary Buddy Guy and Susan Tedeschi, this newcomer has some Janis Joplin and Bonnie Rait influences and i hear she is a hot act. Mandarin Plum, how is it ?

BF: Yeah, BNNY has an openness to its sound I havent heard since The Nightfly and True Companion. Can you imagine with just a touch of horns? On Kama the only songs that seem open in sound are Snowbound, Florida Room, and especially On the Dunes. The rest of the album has kind of a compressed r&b groove thing going. I think Teahouse is the most succesful at this, though I like the structure of Tomorrow's Girls alot especially the bridge. I have to admit I generally prefer a more open sound - Countermoon might be my favorite if it had this.

the bards falter in their shame,their running verse stumbles, with marrow bones the worship drunken diners pelt them for their delay - it is something fearful in the song plagues them.

I'm sorry, but I would have to say that Big Noise New York is the SHIT! It's better then anything on Kama and just as good as anything on The Nightfly. I can listen to BNNY all day long! It's been my fav Sd/fagen record for the past couple of years. Walk down West Broadway in nyc one day and you'll know what I mean. It fits!

Big Noise/New York - Great song by Donald Fagen, recorded by Jennifer Warnes...available as demo on Kama single...possibly written for aborted Fagen solo effort in mid 80s.

I Can't Write Home About You - perhaps an even greater song from the Gaucho outtakes

Confide in Me - written by Donald Fagen and recorded by The Manhattan Transfer...demo available on Kama single features Drew Zingg on guitar

Big Noise/New York, I Can't Write Home About You, and Confide in Me-- Where did they come from? Somebody answer me, for the love of God!!!!

The guy who covered 'The Horses' was Daryll Braithwaite who was frontman for an Australian '70's pop group called Sherbet which toured the U.S. as Highway and failed to get regognition. (pause to catch breath)RLJ 's back catalogue is usually found in Bargain Bins in the Record stores...it a crazy world.

Wow - I just recieved both My Korean Colleen and My Mandarin Plum. I am listening to MKC now and am planning to wait a while before I listen to MMP so I'll have something to look forward to. I just love it! I'm especially fond of Confide in Me; Fagen can really get down! I also like the live version of Home At Last; it's more complex rhythmically than the studio version and the vocals sound warmer. From a music-theory perspective, I was intrigued by the way it ends on a major triad - a chord that strongly suggests the concept of home. Fall of '92 sounds great - it's a pretty song and I am delighted by the mention of the dog, Foxy, since I am, of course, a major animal lover. I was pleased that the dog was rescued (as were all my cats) and though I'm sorry he or she had to be left at a shelter, it was sensitive of Becker, a great animal lover from what I've read, to mention how upset Foxy was about being left by his/her human companion. (BTW, I used to own two classic BMWs and I had been told that "Beemer" refers to the motorcycles, while the cars are called "Bimmers.")

I don't like the new first page of the official SD website - it looks like the faucet knobs of an old-fashioned bathtub.

As an enthusiastic rail fan, I have been wondering if the Wolverine actually went through Annandale-on-Hudson (the name must have been thought up by a developer, since the town is nine miles from the river), or if it just stopped at nearby Rhinecliff as do Amtrak's Adirondack and Maple Leaf. Before I begin my research on this, I wanted to see if anyone here knew, or at least might know which railroad operated the Wolverine, which would be a big help in my research.

just got "My Mandarin Plum" great companoin piece to "My Korean Colleen"

AM is a little jerky but facsinating and a lot of fun!!!!!

Horses is cool -sounds like they edited it a bit. It needed it - i say.

Great listening CD.

Aloha

Blueyed bill murray

An article realesed today stating that the Sky Pilots are influenced by SD:
http://www.canoe.ca:80/JamMusic/jul16_sky.html

Flaming Lips song compared to SD:
http://www.bergen.com:80/previews/spins16199907164.htm

SD has been popping up a couple of other lists recently.. Spirit list most notably (another proto-jazz-rock band..)
Ricky Lee Jones is really good live..
Does she do Rio De Janeiro Blue? Great song, no matter who does it, & she'd do it as well as anyone..
Unsolicited Testimonial: Dealing with US West Customer Service is like dealing with a Soviet Aparatchuk..
or waiting for that New One..

good king richard- Are you sure that that's the name of the guy who covered Horses? I'm pretty sure his last name started with a "B".Come to think of it, his first name was Darryl. I know he was from down under and covered the song about a year or two after Jones released it. Anyway, the guy you're talking about could have done another version.

Steely Dan just keeps hanging around:
http://www.cleveland.com:80/sports/pdnews/s15plan.ssf

Glorious summer day here - really cranked Wet Side Story twice on the drive into work today.

Q - did you get my email?

FANOFDAN - Thanks for the call the other night. I ended up not getting on line that night and have been away for a couple of days (net-less). Steely Dan a la Piano, Bass & Drums (Stolen Van)works OK and it does grow on you. It does take time though and 'Babylon Sisters' needs to be much "tighter". You're right about it needing more horns.

Edd - It IS Szechuan Dumplings. I should know because I cook the things. Jive Miguel is a regular here.

Sorry, bagles, won't fill me up this time.

Zeke - hi man! Hope you're doing fine. Going to Fla?

GoodKingRich - yes, she's playing at Sunday. Hope she has a good band with her. I'm going to look for that video, thanks for letting me know.

Hooked On A Fish - ?, Do you have problem? Hooked on something scarier than a fish? Wanne play games? Just let me know.

Last night I enjoyed Peter Green (damn, he looked old*) and a rap group, The Roots. Great music. I have never seen a Fender Rhodes that worn out before.

* oops, that was a personal thing, sorry.

Clas

Enjoy the Rickie Lee Jones - not much comes to Canberra, but she showed up a few years back and was EXCELLENT! Recently I was given a video, Naked Songs, documenting her life, with a selection of her work to date. Get a hold of it if you can - it's very good, but quite harrowing... a true survivor.

An Australian cover by James Reyne of her and Walter's 'Horses' gets regular airplay over here. I reckon I hear it blaring out of some radio or shop system at least once a week.

Richard

jk- I knew that was you. You must have been at that Southamton show back in '91(?) Remember Donald was playing that really shitty piano? The same one you would find in some high school auditorium.( no wonder, the show was in some high school auditorium) I really went to the show because Bill Withers was on the bill, but when the show started Withers decided he didn't want to be there and split. Remember that one jk?

Hey, are any of you Dan fans from the NJ area going to see
Phish tomorrow at PNC Bank Arts Center?

Earthbound: Where Y'at? Hey, good to hear from you again. I hope all is good. Was hoping you could make the Dan/Jazz Fest in New Orleans this past April, well maybe next time. Did have a great time with Ole, Clas, Lisa, and Sam.

Yeah, nothing has changed much here. Latley, I'm a visitor.
I purchased a boat recently, the Dan and the water go together well. Made a little trip to the new "Beau Rivage" casino in Biloxi,
spent most of the time in their new brewery, great beer! Boz Scaggs there 7/23, if your in the area let me know.

That was me requesting that they play Kulee baba ( and shouldn't it be "coolie"). Donald had a phone on the stage and had to call his anylyst before he could start to play again!!!!!!

And isn't it just like donald not to play requests ;-)

My beautiful baba goes unreleased but he puts out tea house on the tracks - go figure

next time he plays in a club, soon i hope, I'm yelling for "i got news for you" - ray charles. he used to do that one great!!!!! or how about donalds version of the live my waterloo?!

jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkj

only $700 to fly to bejjing - tempting.

That's "Bringing" Down the Horse, Einstein.

Oats & Apples,

Sec

Unobtainium--were you thinking about "Calling Down the Horse" by the Wallflowers?

Well, don't. It's already been done.

Hey, Clas! Did you hear Roy's son is at Berklee?

Practicing Scales,

Flipper

Okay, what are Big Noise/New York, Confide in Me, and I Can't Write Home About You from?

Recovering the Satellites is one of the best albums of the decade.

SanFranKnight - oh man, two in a row, congrats!

MrLaPage/Altamira - my interest in the zoo comes from "Show Biz Kids". Are there any Tigers there?

Bored - Pompe is doing fine thank you.

Roy Scam - he is there? Great. Would you please let me know what it's like? I heard that renting a room costs a fortune. Is that true?

Maybe I'm Out On A Limb here, but Shirley will screen out the sorrow;

mr Becker - we have a Jazz Fest here in Stockholm coming up. Rickie Lee Jones is playing Saturday night. Shall I scream "Becker says HI!"?

jk- Speaking of Melodicas, were you the same guy at one of those early Donald shows that waited till the crowd stoped claping, and it was completley quit, and then scremed at the top of your lungs "KULE BABA"? I just remembe Donald's lip curling up and then he kind of freaked a little. Was that you, you little ol purdie one? Man, those were the days.

Oooops: That's "Recovering the Satellites".

Heard Roy Orbison live just a few months before his death. Wasn't expecting much so his performance was, to say the least, pleasantly shocking. His vocals were right on key and positively soaring. I hate the trash he did with the Wilburys (and the triteness of the Wilburys in general) but I agree that Mystery Girl is an overlooked album.

Speaking of overlooked albums, if you haven't heard "Calling in the Satellites" by The Counting Crows, well, you better.

Defending the Melodica,

U

hey hey
my my
you obsessed nurds will never die
you think ther care ...yeah pigs might fly
hey hey
my my

my my
hey hey
the new release is worlds away
the guest book donkeys all can bray
my my
hey hey

Lately Ive been calling w tracks and d whack

hahahahahahahahaha

i kill myself

jk - lighten up, fagen is a god!

nbc

when he first stsrted plasying in clubs, fagen had a great patch on his synththat he would solo with. But then he said some hogwash about synths not being tune right for his hear. then he playsthat godawfulthing- a harmonica with keys. i guess he wanteds to emulate those great solos by those solo masters bob dylan and graham nash. Why doesn't he just do a fingernails on the blackboard solo.

Just got in from the northend of boston - the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!the food! the food!and drink

Hey Zeke:

Long time! I see things haven't changed a great deal.
Oh well... thought I'd run across some new dope on
the new one.

Enjoyed a coupla very danceable Paul Simon sets over
the 4th. Steve Gadd was spectacular! I've always felt
that true talent lies in mastering omission, and Steve's
....... got it!

Also happy to report on a spectacular and satisfying jazz
set played at the inaugural Indy JazzFest. The Herbie Hancock
and Wayne Shorter duet mesmerized the crowd with some tasty
classics, a Shorter standard, a coupla Hancock pieces, and
their rendition of a cover which won a Dutch musician top
honors in an int'l Coltrane competition. Very fine.
I laughed at a play on words Wayne put out there, something
about "...D-construction, in the key of D, indeed," and some
young Phishphan saw Wayne smile and point to me. He grabbed
my arm, shouting, "You got gestures man, you got gestures!"

I must be gettin' old.

later all, keeping a lid open in anticipation, Earthbound

Fezo: Excellent point about the oparetic quality of Roy Orbison's voice. One of his most amazing qualities for a male over 35 was that the higher the pitch the stronger the sound. Uncanny.

SFK: Congrats!

Edd: Your sense of humor surpasses your general knowledge! It appears that a conspiracy is at hand moreover with Walter and Donald in on it given the following from the "Big Show":

"Jive Miguel
He's in from Bogota
Meet me at midnight
At Mr. Chow's
Szechuan dumplings
After the deal has been done
I'm the one

It's a glamour profession
The L.A. concession..."

This oddly matches the lyric sheet from Gaucho - those moles from MCA are everywhere I tell ya! Well, off to the grassy knoll for more clues.

Yes!! ,
Roy that does stand for "Virginal Adolescent Tax" and is only found on tickets for shows with Ms. Dee as front act making this a very rare ticket indeed!

However, you are correct twice!, in that originally the acronym was proposed by The Queen to mean "Venerial Attraction Tax" upon learning that Jeff Baxter would be included in the tour
of England. Luckily the Conservative party intervened, overriding
the Queen's will, and changed the meaning of the acronym to the rare, but nevertheless venerable and socially relevant meaning of "Virginal Adolescent Tax"(however this was still aimed at Skunk as a cocession to the Queen in that it was highlighted on the ticket to warn parents about the animal magetism that Mr. Skunk possesses)

Sorry for the liturgy , but I felt this piece of Dan history that Roy so astutely ferreted out merited a serious and thorough analysis.

Hail ! , Sir Roy Scam - Duke of Danington !

No. That's a myth perpetuated by the publishers. It's commonly printed that way, so it's an easy mistake to make.

Trust me.

Really.

Edd:

The line is "Szechuan dumplings, now that the deal has been done."

re: "sits you on dumplings..."

The correct line is, of course, "...SETS you on dumplings." No, really, it is...

Still seems silly though...

Roy Scam: Oh yes, the Steelybaby website is still there, although I have not maintained it in anyway since November 97

get it at www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/6149

I like your comment re. picking up a plum. A rather yuk mental image there.

I good friend of mine (who is also a major Dan-man) is obsessed with the idea that in Green Earings DF signs "Green earings, I remember, the rain drops round his eyes". I am pretty sure this is wrong, but not to spoil the illusion, I have made a conscious effort not to read the lyrics sheet. At least I can carry on laughing at him when he sings along.

Would anyone care to spoil my abstention.

The other great mis-interperation that I suffered for about five years was from 'My Rival' - "The milk trapeezed into my place....", at the time I believe that DF & WB must have been seriously off on one. (I know what the correct words are now!)

Oh, the other stupid one from 'Glamour Profession' - "sits you on dumplings...." why would anyone want to do that? Images of big bean bag chairs made from batter, a bit sticky!

Peanut, have you really had someone dump in your shirt. You need an assertiveness course!

Laters dan fans

SFK

What's with all the abortion nonsense?

Clas: The National Zoo is fine, if you don't mind seeing sad-eyed primates hanging out in glass cages. Of course, I wouldn't get to see them otherwise, so it works for me. The temperature is much better (75 F), and I have wandered back out for my morning runs until the heat comes back.

Q- Love those old pictures and souveniers. What's VAT? Some sort of tax, I presume: Venerable Artist Tax? Venerial Attraction Tax? Vibrophonic Amplification Tax? Virginal Adolescent Tax (for the Kikki Dee crowd)?

SFK- Nice to hear from you again. Congratulations on Baby and Bubba. Do you still have your Steely Baby website?

Geena- My son is now living in the Central Square area and attending the 5 week summer session at Berklee School of Music (in Boston) which claims, among its distinguished alumni "Donald Fagen '66". Back Bay and Central Square both seem like great places to study and to be distracted from studies. Are those restaurants on Newbury St. all they're cracked up to be?

Clas- Thanks for the consoling words, but I didn't say my son didn't go to Berklee, I merely said that there's no logical way I can afford it.

Another misheard lyric: Until I read the words, I thought "mandarin plum" in Greenflower Street was "magic wand". -- And if you DID find a plum in the street, would you really want to pick it up? I mean you don't know who left it there or where it's been or even if it was organically grown; I would at least blow it off before eating it.

RS

St Al
Thank you for the return mail.I'll keep putting those dollars
away and perhaps we will meet sometime!

Mr Chow
Good to see you posting again.Hope you are keeping your feet
out of the water! I have those manuscripts I promised you finally.There are a little worse for wear but their still in tact.Just let me know when you want them and I'll get them to you.I've been listening to that tape you gave me by Stolen Van
and I am starting to enjoy it,considering its Steely Dan music
in a Jazz format, although a bit of Sax would not go astray.
Still in all there not bad!

Thanx for the music. Phoebe is so cool.

Oleander: I am back online, pienso.
Aja: Hello?
lisa: any golf courses can 'ya sneak me on?

Thoughts for the day - Imagine the world today if :
Hitler hadn't been born
now imagine the world if : Jesus hadn't been born
I'd give it a few moments to mull over the possibilities.

jk - So I guess you're sort of over the melodica? What's the story on this instrument; I'd never heard of it until Fagen started playing it. I guess he likes it since it lets him solo on a wind instrument while still playing a keyboard, but it's sort of one-dimensional; I'd prefer he play his solos on a piano or some other real keyboard instrument. Hey, I adore Fagen, but that melodica is getting sort of tired.

Just found this site and want to say that Steely Dan is the greatest! Saw their Art Crimes concert a few years back. Any news on new releases?

Ahhh, London in the summer........

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fagen will never play melodica again - I will hunt him down and break everyone he buys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the rest of the lineup sounds good . . .

True companion / the finer things - very tasty stuff

my prediction. the new CD will be one long song with donald only repeating "My place is cute"

My place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cuteMy place is cute ahhhhhhhhhh!

fagen will never play melodica again - I will hunt him down and break everyone he buys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the rest of the lineup sounds good . . .

True companion / the finer things - very tasty stuff

How about this jk:

Pat Metheney and Rick Derringer on guitars, Captin W on accordian, Anthony Jackson on bass, Dennis Chambers on drums and Donald Fagen playing Melodica solos on every song!

pmf rules supreme! (always has) how about this line-up?!

Drew Zingg and Bill Frizell on guitars. Captain W on bass.

yeooooooooooooooooooooow!

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Yeah Peanuts..Same old same old, So let's talk about what it's like to be a lesbian, find out what a good Christian Ruby is, and don't forget to ask Clas if his dog is feeling ok. Hey peanut, how does it feel when someone takes a dump in your in their shit?

Hey,

Peanuts (aka. Fuckspeak Grandmaster) cool it baby.

Clas hi! You may recall that my wife and I had a Steelybaby 2 years ago. We have now had a new addition, Steelybubba.

Looking forward to this Autumn (Fall to the trans-atlantic alumni) for obvious reasons.

Have not been around on this page for a while. Just sitting at the back quietly waiting.

Recent additions to vinyl collection include some Coltrane, Grover, Rollins. If you fancy something a little new, check out ' No time like the future' from Incognito, a UK jazz rock band. Usual situation where some tracks are average but the good ones a pretty stormin'.

Cheers

SFK

Excuse me Mr. Steely Dan Shit for Brains Morris, that message was directed to the asshole named boring, is that you? If you read the archives you'll find out about the new album and a squonks tear. No news yet on the re re re re mastered copy of Katy Lied, try back here in about 10 years. In the meantime it's the same old boring rehashed shit about a band that hasn't put out any new material in over a decade, unless someone has something new and innovative to talk about.

Get it now dickhead?

Dr. Mu: I could write a book full of gushing praise about Orbison. But I imagine that would fall under the "narcissistic verbal diahrea[sic]" sanction. Ah, screw the critics. There are so many amazing things about him. His songwriting: almost operatic in structure, but somehow managing to to cram the whole opera into three and a half minutes. His voice: strong in the 60's, still strong up to his death. Tom Petty said once that whenever the Wilburys were recording together, they would always make Roy do his part last. Everyone else was too ashamed to have to try to sing after him. His sense of musical self: he was one of the few 60's artists who, after the hits stopped coming, still kept turning out new product and touring with new material, playing full sets. Even in the 70's, when his career was totally tanking, he refused to tour in any of the "oldies" packages where he would have only had to do three songs to pick up good money. Have you heard "Black and White Night"? It was an HBO special, starring Roy with the likes of Jackson Browne, J.D. Souther, Springsteen, Costello, Waits, etc as background singers. It's a great CD and video

Ruby: I liked your take on Christianity and how so many of the religious hatemongers out there seem to miss the biblical message of love. It has always seemed ironic to me that so many people claiming to be Christians appear never to have read the Gospels, which after all were the story of Christ. I defy anyone to read the first four books of the New Testament and not pick up the strong message of love and acceptance of others that is present. Besides the eschatological fervor, I see that message as the main theme of Jesus' teaching

Question of the Day: Thanks for trotting out the old Beethoven saw. Hadn't heard that one since college. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. And as a persuasive logic, it reminds me of that bit on Saturday Night Live "What If Eleanor Roosevelt Could Fly".

Good evening all,

Hey Q - I just like listening to the music. I tend to drink a lot of tea while I lsten. Should I try something harder?

Hey Yankees! I have a question to you! Which song is this;

"Baby says no / she can't let go this time / ... bla bla... gonne show you what love can do / gonne tell'em 'bout me and you..."

The artist in question once sat in for Blackmoore on a Deep Purple LA gig, no rehearsal. He's also a racer car-man. I think he also got a thing for Pink Flamingos. His music is perfect for easy listening while you pick blueberrys. Or cranberrys.

And Steve Gadd is playing on this;

Well I read it in town / in the melancholy news / the front page story is our love is thru / bla... bla... There's no time for talk / there's no place for tears... wait a minute here, the word "tears", that's pluralis. Hmmm. Should be "THERE ARE NO PLACE FOR TEARS. Fucking language uh?

Okay, go on guessing. Go on. I Cross my fingers.

IS there no one who knows anything about those Jerry Springer Shows (thanks to dr Mu I know the man is a former Cincinnati Mayor). Are the "guests" "actors", should I laugh or cry?

Please tell me.

jk rules! Dump Krantz, get the same girls that did The New York Rock & Soul Revue tour, spend some $ and rock the world!

Q rules. dump krantz and those lame-oo back up singers from the last tour. jeez W, you guys are making millions - you gotta cut corners? Give us the best. We deserves it, and your music deserves it.

jk

how about Reflections. - man was that recorded well!

I was listening through Roy Orbison's last one "Mystery Girl," a hyper romantic and melodic near masterpiece. Recorded shortly before Roy's death in 1989, it showcases his voice and unique rockabilly blues pop-rock. There are sonically exquisiste ballads. Some of the approach and lyrics are straight ahead, but it's never trite...alsways refreshing pure as it's mixing joy and sorrow so pure. His voice was still in great form up to the end. I swear he could sing the freakin' phone book and I'd still get chills. There's some help as you'd expect at that time from Wilbuty's Harrison, Lynne, and Petty & the Heartbreakers along with T-Bone Burnett. you Got It's very solid, but there's some classics like In the Real World, The Only One, A Love So Beautiful, Careless Heart, She's A Mystery to Me (written by Bono) and a great cover of Costello's The Comedians.

Though in general the lyrics and music are less complex than the Dan, there's a bit of a similarity of sound oddly enough. It's easier to hear on the tracks not produced maybe a bit too earnestly by Jeff Lynne. It hit me that Orbison was the last big American pop star before the Beatles hit carrying on the vision of Buddy Holly and Richie Valens heads above the Fabians and Frankie Vallis...with a fusion of rockabilly, blues, folk, etc. I guess the loose connection is that to me as far as rock is concerned, Steely Dan made music as if the Beatles never existed. I mean I like the Beatles as well as the next guy, but a lot of music post '64 was derivative of the Beatles or Zeppelin at least in the rock arena. Hell, the post-grunge stuff still is. Certainly, this made SD unique in their sound even during their "rock band" period (even though they were sneaking in jazz with that lineup). Lynne who of course was ironically a Beatles wanna be probably helped to inspire one last great effort out of Roy. He just slips into just a few bad habits (you'll recognize from the ELO days) on the 3 tracks he produced - still a great and mabe overlooked album that puts the pure in pop. McCartney wishes he made an album this true. Probably more consistent though with less edge and oomph that the Full Moon Fever follow-up by Tom Petty in 1990.

Watch out Q..Peanuts (in a shell) wants those of our kind to write St Al and complain instead of voicing our thoughts here. I agree with you, if it's not Dan related or music related, post it somewhere else. I really don't want to know if someones gay or not or going to church or going to temple. When's the tour? When's the record coming out? What's a Squonks tear? When can I go out and by the re- re-re-re-re masterd copy of Katy Lied for the 10th time? That's why I come here! Get it? peanut brain.

Q - Damn, we can veer seriously off-topic, can't we? I've been guilty of it myself, we sometimes see these other enticing topics pop up and it can be fun to follow them, but not for non-participants who also happen to be reading this forum. I'll be better about sticking to the topic in the future.

Regarding firing musicians, there is an interview, I think it's on the official SD site, from Boston magazine in which Steely Dan interviews Becker and Fagen. It is, of course, quite funny, but there is mention of Gary Katz firing a player, I think it was a drummer, for not performing up to standard, and D & W head off to a restaurant for dinner while this is going on.

We get enough of this insane abortion shit in the news and every other venue imaginable - can't we FUCKING keep it out of here for God's sake !!!!!!

You all piss off about enough shit with your daily NON STEELY DAN narcissistic verbal diahrea every day(myself incuded occasionally) -BUT isn't there a line anywhere ???????

NO ONE LIKES ABORTION -no matter what side of the isle your on

WE ALL LIKE STEELY DAN - AND that's why this is a Steely Dan board not a FUCKING ABORTION BOARD - go to your favorite search engine to find the abortion circle jerks if that's what your into

Although I must admit the Beethoven post was a good one !(not indicative of my views on the subject - just adolescently clever)

NOW wasn't this an unpleasant post - JUST LIKE ALL THE ABORTION CRAP -please take it somewhere else !!!!!!!!

Now for some Dan discussion........

Dump Wayne Krantz - great guy, but......too stiff, not melodic or even coherent and if he enters a lead incorrectly he can't work his way through it properly to save his life - just listen really hard to those Dan boots you all secretly have from the '96 tour and you'll see the light- but then maybe he "shines" in the studio where Don & Walt allow 220 takes per musician to get it right if need be -IMO

PS have they ever outright "kicked" a musician off an LP project completely due to inability to "get it right" ?

just thinking: 1. Dallas and Sail the Waterway aren't bad tunes!

2. It would be great if d& w rerecorded Rapunsel and released it as a b-side to the single from 2 freaks of nature. (leaving out the energy sucking bass solo, of course!)

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The Universe's energy is sustained by the tension created from yin/yang polarities.

So pick up those chairs, boys & girls.

You all see the infinite wisdom in Jesse Ventura and think that George W. Bush has an opinion about anything. For that matter, you all teabag each other with alarming frequency and vigor.

Ted Nugent is a fucking idiot, too.

DA: Finally, a very good answer from you. The correct answer was the son of Jimi Hendrix...aw shit, that's right - he was aborted! Jane, how do you start this crazy time machine?

BTW, will Krantz remain on the new one or was he aborted?

WOW...and I thought I was "off the path" by talking about my Web Site. Show's you how wrong you can be! LOL

D

Big Fan - ODP is up and ok from here (NJ)

?: Ted Nugent perhaps. Looks like he is available since he's going to beat the wrap for shooting that deer

dumbass: Hunting without a license is a misdemeanor. BTW, who do you think is on guitar besides Walter on the new one?

???: the lack of a hunting license is legally insignificant to whether or not Ted Nugent has KILLED a deer. Proper licensing is not a necessary element for any killing offense. Just as it is not an element for prostitution. If it was, your mom would have escaped arrest numerous times.

Support our right to choose to blow up clinics.

dumbanswer: If Ted Nugent shoots a deer dead with his crossbow with or without a hunting license, has he not KILLED it?

Most fetuses which are aborted have nerves that fire (EEG) and heart cels that work (ECG). Is that not they way we clinically determine whether a person is alive or not? By your logic let's pull the plug on all folks who are on life support including those who have good EEG and ECGs!! They're using up taxpayer $$. We need more surplus!!

Maybe it's our thinking and the law that are fucked!!

Official Steely Dan site down? or is it just me?

Legally, you can't kill something that hasn't been born yet shit for brains.

science,
'dark city' is way way better than '5th element' fiasco. why not compare 'jane 'eyre' with 'friends?'

A woman is pregnant with her 9th child. 3 are deaf, 2 are blind, 1 is mentally retarded. The woman has syphillis. should she have an abortion?

If you answered "YES," Congratulations! You just killed Ludwig Van Beethoven!!

to stoke (a furnace): to fuel

to fetter : to constrict to feather: to make comfortable

for anyone who likes stupid blade runner type rip offs - try 'the 5th element' -to quote Donald Fagen: some loser lights a flare...

KATYDanefan - try this; take the cursor, blacken these letters; ÅÄÖ, press Ctrl + c, then, place the cursor somewhere on the "pad", press Ctrl + v, there you got it!

Stranger - yes, we're in E C. I don't think I'll make it, but give me you're number, we'll see! It would be fun! We're going the Cafè the Cabaret! Unfeathered and alive! No one will call us down for favors, no ones future to decide. I'll go back there tomorrow, but for the work I've taking on, stalking the star making mach... uhhum, well, what was the question now again?

Paris? yes, give me your number ol chap, my emailaddress's above.

Lew Chang - for he's a yellow good fellow, for he's a yellow good fellow!

clas,
yes, will be in paris 3 - 23 august. going to paris from sweden is not going abroad. it's all one europe now. i don't remember. is sweden in the e.c.? absolutely come down for mini-danfest. i will get you my paris phone number. too lazy now and too late in california to look it up.

barbadee,
no problem. you're not butting in. these are not private messages. deal is we're exchaging our l.a. home with paris family in august. did you say something about my ass? i swear there's nothing wrong with it. i've received compliments but nothing i can prove. are you new around here?

for anybody who likes futuristic, blade-runner-type sci fi noire, i just rended a video called 'dark city.' recommend it.

Babadee: Yes, we'll talk about the Dan, of course. You said you got the help you needed and you still have a secret to share? I'm listening attentively.....(but seriously, you have no thoughts regarding the toaster or toast? *grin---just kidding*

Dr. Mu: I followed that, (sorta kinda), and yes, it was to allow him to have more energy to train harder, thereby increasing the strength of the muscles in his legs, which I suppose should lead to greater endurance. But, as you said, this isn't any easily proved fact. From all you said, it seems to me there's enough evidence to doubt that it actually does much to help, and in fact over the long haul may harm. (thanks for the info)

Whoever said the 400m brings PAIN, you are right, I've seen the look on my son's face coming into the finish, it's an awful thing for a mother to watch!

El Supremo had me listening to the New York Rock and Soul Revue, the one with Michael McDonald and Young Rascal Songs (Groovin) and a really much longer version of (I think it was) Throw Back the Little Ones....some of this stuff was like listening in on a jam session, I loved it!

ES: Love you!

Just Katy :)

Dr. Mu: re:'Comeback baby' ...the flipside of 'Rikki' was 'any majore dude'...there was some song from the '70's called 'Baby Come back' by some dicky groups...but it was not a cover of the Becker song....which is a cool song from the early days.......

re: the upstate appearances---an OMEN---it can't be long now.....new single (cd) in September---lp (cd) on 11/2-----

bet on it---plus some concerts-health permitting

Hi to all!! .....Mr Chow,I received your post and thanks again for all your efforts. I must confess I was a shade dissapointed, I was hoping that it would be a live version recored in some studio somewhere!.but!!..............Anyway! whats the go with these guys??, we as devoted fans deserve better. they have had plenty of opportunity to put something on video! ..Eg....Alive In America!! what a great video that would be!!.I have seen some great music videos,one that spring to mind is The Doobie Brothers!! recorded live about four years ago........Great Concert!! Don & Walt.......What seems to be the problem?? we want a live concert on video!!.......................Lew Chang { BURNING WITH RAGE!}

Jerome Lives!

On the season premiere episode(s) of VH1's Rock N' Roll Jeopardy shown over the weekend, celebrities played on behalf of their fav charities. One of the singers from Boys 2 Men attempted to answer a question in a category entitled Leiber & Stoller with the following answer:

His cover of L&S's "Ruby Baby" appeared on his 1981 solo debut, "The Nightfly"...

...to which he, of course, answered "Who is Steely Dan"!!!!

The one...the only...the magnificent one!!!!! :)

Tuesday - I have a friend with a cat named Tuesday, a fat, shorthaired blue cream. I was nineteen when Hey, Nineteen came out, and although I did not identify with the clueless subject of the song at the time, I can now identify with the character of the older narrator in the song in that not only do these young folks not know who the Queen of Soul is, they've never heard of Steely Dan either. When I tell my younger friends that I've now become interested in something other than classical music, I have to explain Steely Dan to them because they've never heard of them. I know there are younger Dan fans, but I sure never run into them around here.

Dr. Mu - I'll have to listen to Come Back Baby. There are some good cuts on those demo CDs; I especially like the more minimalist ones where it's just Fagen singing and playing the piano (occasionally with Becker singing backup and/or playing guitar and bass); they have a warm and intimate quality to them that I find endearing. I always enjoy listening to the songs where Fagen sings in the style of Bob Dylan, especially Ida Lee. Judging from his recent appearance with Levon Helm, he apparently still likes Dylan.

When I was working with horses, I read that quarter horses, who run quarter-mile races, hence the name, hold their breath when they run. I'm not sure how people found this out, but it's the general concensus among those who work with these horses. As a result of not breathing while they run, many of them bleed from the lungs after a race and are given Lasix, a blood thinner, to help with the problem. Thoroughbreds who run short distances often have the same problem and are also given Lasix.

Babadee - It might help if you told us which bands are playing at the festival. Then the people here who keep current on such things could advise you about which acts are worth listening to.

Boring - So we've gone a little off topic, it's happened before. With so little to report regarding Becker and Fagen, we need something to discuss.

Ruby Baby and Kay Dan Fan - I was thinking about the recent post about that hateful group when I was listening to the excellent sermon given by the assistant rector at my church this morning. He preached on two bumper stickers rather than the gospel reading, as is customary in Episcopal churches, and the one he expounded on was "Hate is not a family value" (the one he mentioned but did not elaborate on was "Mean people suck"). He mentioned the recent growth in groups based on hatred, and paid particular attention to the ones who align themselves with church groups to gain some legitimacy, or, as he put it, "disguise themselves under the Word of God." He was especially worried about the children who have been raised in this culture of hatred and now feel that it's their mission to "correct the wrongs of society" as they interpret them, a mission that often involves violence. He reminded us that our mission is to love and respect everyone, even people different from ourselves, and to oppose hatred wherever it occurs.

I paint in watercolor, although my paintings are quite complex and multi-layered, and I've been told I'd be better off painting in opaque water color. I might want to try that. I was cleaning my apartment yesterday and found my ArtBin (container of art supplies) under my bed. Hmmm, maybe I ought to open it up and start producing something. I could squeeze a few minutes out of my busy day for painting. Thanks for your attention. Maybe you could paint on silk; you never know what you could do if you tried.

While I have rarely posted on this site, I have to share what I think will be appreciated by the lifetime fans. A Dan revelation of sorts.
When I was 19 I embraced "Hey Nineteen" more than ever, for all the obvious reasons and the magic of being old enough to play but too young to be taken seriously. A decade later I look around and realize that I have have assumed Donald's role ... I can still dance, but I'll be dammed if they even care who the Queen of Soul is

Never fear
The Kids will live and learn

After reading DrMu's post and after much peyote, I will translate for you. To repay our people please send Great White Father to our reservation instead of Watts. We have many young squaw who will trade BJs for casino.

1. Creatine - Powerful Mystery Medicine which will make big and strong. May end up - no heart or 'nads.
2. 400 and 800 meter race - PAIN and ACID. May see Great Spirit.
3. Breathing - GOOD

Boring asshole, why don't you write a nice email to StAl and complain to him about what you like and don't like about the site, perhaps you could persuade him to run the site the way you'd like it, as you seem to be the most important person here with anything of interest to say. Tell him that because everyone and everything seem to be crawling up your ass lately, you no longer have a sense of humor and have become a miserable old fuck - you would also like to be the only one here, so you can blab and fight with your pathetic self all day long.

I'm positive he'll respond to you with a resounding Fuck You!

*Collect all 6!

Mu,

Can you please explain the concept of "fortitude" in a mechanism I can understand?

Drained but not Ashamed,

Ric(ky) Martin

Well... I figured it out for myself, like I knew I would...thank you so very much. & as for my secret...well, I know where I'll be for the big 2k. UGH

just to set the record straight - I am the proud owner of a Retro Toast 4 (extra lift model) and it's hot stuff.
In my travels I came across a site devoted to the toaster as a fetish object - go figure.
The bottom line is that my buns are warm and brown. Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys.

Great site! When do Donald and Walter do their next chat?

Ed Cote-- Could you please translate Dr. Mu's last post?

I seldom listen to Catalys/Early Yers/Sun Mountain/Whatevet but there's a few tunes and arrangments that catch my ear such as Brain Tap Shuffle and Come Back Baby. It's got a real funky bass line and nice rhythm guitar. It's one of those few early recordings whiich sound like it has something in common with the later recordings like Aja or eve 11 TOW. I swear that a) someone remade this song in the mid 70s a) or for some reason it was released as a Dan single (could that be - B side of Rikki?) but I just don't think so. Steve V?

Ruby: She's got the chops. I wish I could be there - not sure she gets around these parts. Enjoy.

KDF: The coach was probably talking about creatine which is similar in structure. Creatine is an amino acid made in the body from arginine, a common amino acid found in food. The body uses creatine to remake phosphocreatine (one of those energy oursces I mentioned) usually during rest and recovery from exercise which is controlled by an enzyme called creatine kinase. Since phophocreatine is used for short-term work the hypothesis is that more creatine with supplementation would mean more phosphocreatine available. A few applied sutdies (ones that don't lok for a mechanism or don't measure any biochemistry) showed and increase in performance of one bout of short-term work (like 1 100 m race). Just as many did not. Also, creatine kinase works in a way so that it already has plenty of creatine to work with even after a bout of intense exercise, so no extra phosphocreatine is produced. There are some studies now that are pointing to a potential benefit of creatine supplementation with repeated bouts of exercise (like football or basketball). A fewer number of studies dispute this. However, no robust mechanism has been proposed or tested. An indirect result of higher creatine levels might be a lower lactic acid production, but this is still theoretical. A few people have propsed that creatine may serve as an antioxidant protecting muscles against fatigue or damage, but we can't find any evidence of this using biochemical lab analysis. Another area which has received attention is a relationship between creatine supplementation and increased strength. Creatine supplementation (oral) does increase weight, but a good bit of this is water. There is also no known mechanism where creatine could increase the production of proteins in muscle. There is a lack of basic science studies in this area. The area is in a frenzy with Mark McGuire telling the world he popped creatine and androstenedione (or "andro"). BTW, andro is a placebo in my opinion. It is a natural precursor for both estrogen and testosterone, but supplementation would have at best a short-term effect (a few days). Finally, creatine definitely does not increase endurance.

One of the scary things is that beside not knowing how and if the darned stuff works, is the potential for side effects with long term use!! We just don't know how dangerous it is yet. Increases in creatine levels in muscles and other tissue have been measure with supplementation. But it reaches a plateau (about 60 milliomolar) with the doses kids are taking. That won't mean anything to you but at this level the creatine is just about to come out of solution or precipitate (like those sugar in a jar experiments you probably did in science class when you were in 4th grade). Finally, creatine definitely does not increase endurance.

Ric: I think it's safe to say that the two events that result in the greatest pain in a race are the 800 and 400 m race and require great fortitude. The only thing worse would be the prolonged aginy of a triathlon or 48 hr ultramarathon. Hopefully, you weren't holding you're breath, but hyperventilating. Blowing off the CO2 lets you get rid or some of that acid:

H+ + HCO3- (bicarb) ---> H2CO3 ----> CO2 + H2O

Breathing hard during a race eleimnates CO2 from the lung. Since CO2 is an exremely volatile gas (this doesn't mean it explodes - it just goese back and forth between a liquid and gas phase easily), this immeidately lowers CO2 in the blood. This allows those equations above to *flow* to the right allowing the bicarb in the red blood cells to help quench some of the increase of a flood of acid. In fact, ingestion of bicarb can actually increase the acid buffering capacity and improve performance in races from 1-10 min in length. Unfortunately, there's a most disagreeable side effect: EXTREME NAUSEA!! Another buffer which could be ingest with less nausea is the right proportion of sodium citrate/citric acid (essentially a concentrated formula of the flavoring agent in orange Gatorade - minus most of the sugar and electrolytes leaving som sodium).

you know maybe I've gotta problem, but I've asked politely, Now please a little help here, Umbria Jazz Fest...I don't proclaim to be a jazz guru and worse yet, maybe just a plain old wannabe but the fact remains I love, I mean love Steely Dan, don't know what kinda toilet paper they wipe their asses with and it took me until I was about 16 when someone practically ripped my head off for saying, "Yeah Steely Dan I like him."but I figured it out...Now here I am in the Green Heart of Italy, with this amazing Jazz show two towns over and I don't know enough to know which acts I shouldn't miss, perhaps an asshole, perhaps you're right, but at least I have enough balls to ask. I've looked up the web page...The big names yes, those I'm geared for, it's the not so well known names that I'd like to know about...could one of you guys get off your soap boxes, and toaster toast surveys for a sec. and help a fellow SD fan out. And maybe just maybe Ill share a secret with you...but you guys probably already know it like everything else.

Oh please Ruby..Save it for church!

...so I'll just say....Big Fan: LOL or---- maybe we're ready to be welcomed to Any World?

JK :)

Ric O'shea: If you find a good shoe site, please let me know! On 2nd thought, you'd better not. I'm trying to maintain a healthy budget. Taking me to a shoe store is like taking a rumhound to a distillery...except that my taste remains impeccable.

JosieDF: I, too, visited that sickening web site StAl found that says God hates homosexuals. They might as well have said that God hates the human race! (I won't quote the Bible chapter & verse, but one of the main points of God's Word is that we all have fallen short of His perfection but He loves us anyway far beyond our comprehension.) To me as a Christian, that web page is a particular slap in the face because people will now associate me with those nasty lies and that vile attitude. I've also been hurt by such people, in the name of Christ. I call it *friendly fire*, though it's anything but friendly. Actually, it hurts the most.
To me, being a Christian means to be on a journey. It's a journey of LOVE. It involves first understanding God's love for me (as much as I can), then allowing myself to fall in love with Him, then extending His love and grace to others. In some ways its like living on the other side of the looking-glass. In the world, we try to gain knowledge, then understanding, then we decide what to believe in. But with the Lord, we first believe with our heart and then comes knowledge and understanding. In the world, the great and mighty are served by many. In the realm of Christianity, the greatest are the servants. In the world, we spend our lives maintaining what we have and trying to obtain more. Walking with Christ means we have to be able to let go of everything (in our hearts and sometimes in actuality) in order to obtain life (Blessed are the poor in spirit.) If we are really becoming more like Jesus Christ, then His life will be reflected in our own. You can tell a tree by its fruit.

Altamira: Dark pink, glittery lipstick - I can relate to that! It's the closest thing I get to painting in a day. Speaking of which, I saw a most beautiful painting at a restaurant a few weeks ago. It was a watercolor on silk. I wish I could do that! Well, maybe I could, I never tried! What media do you paint in?

sorry if I post too long, please don't sue.
rb

Katy Dan Fan - Thanks for your kind and encouraging comments. Regarding the toast survey, I prefer both bread and bagels untoasted, however, I just love grilled vegetables, which are rather similar.

Clas - I haven't actually visited the Washington Zoo (actually National Zoo) in about 20 years, but I sometimes ride my bike along the section of the Rock Creek trail that runs through their property. I'm angry with them right now because they are letting a lovely early 19th-century mansion that they own crumble into ruin.

Kingston - What a great surprise! I wish I could have been there.

Seems Skunk is keeping busy:
http://www.internetwire.com:80/technews/en/en990247.dsl

Kingston: Not your fault. BTW Pete Fogel where are you?

Pretzel Man: Great show. All of these Steely sightings can't just be a coincidence - maybe this is the end of the world?

Little bit of Elton Jon up there.

Yesterday, heard a bunch of Oldies at the pool where I live. Started out with Spinning Wheel (BST); I had forgotten how great the horns are in that. Then it was lots of motown stuff....You Are Everything, At the Top of the Stairs (can't remember who did that), and then Everlasting Love, and some Marvin Gaye, and lots of others, gee, it was a regular trip down memory lane!

Pretzel man: I wish I had been there! I just have to get El Supremo to take me to LeBarBat, that sounds like it was a great night! Keep me posted on things that heppen there, would you?

JosieDanFan: Welcome back to the GB, Sister! I'm glad you got that off your chest, you needed to. I know what you're saying and as I said before, the only people I can't "tolerate" are "intolerant people!" Actually a truly Christian point of view would be based far more on love and acceptance than judgement, so in my mind, many so-called religious people miss the point entirely. But that's what happens when you get a bunch of basically insecure human beings together in this world.

Clas: Regarding, "Sa, du ar i vantans tider"...(I don't have the fancy marks for the letters) Oh, I thought for a second that's what you were saying, but then I figured, nah.....he can't mean that, lol. I have a son 19 and a daughter fast approaching 17, and if there were another one on the way, well....there would also be a *star* in the East, if you get my meaning! My daughter returns tomorrow from a month in Germany, please pray for me as I make the "transition" back to having her around. Notice I said, pray for ME, lol. Seriously, it's been a great trip for her, she's learned a lot, and one thing she learned is she really doesn't care for beer and that she should never go on a motorcycle in shorts!

Altamira: I think a lot of us can relate to that combination of perfectionism, blocked creativity and depression. What a phrase to cover it all!

Regarding you, I would venture to say that you exhibit quite good mental health as shown by various measures. You tend to never overreact to someone's criticism, you know how to take the best of what they've said, take an honest look at it, make decisions to grow and change because of it if you think it's appropriate, and that in itself is a skill most adults have not acquired to any great degree. You're not ashamed of your weak areas but talk about them freely, and you post your thinking here for all to see and even poke fun at. Most adults are not anywhere near as comfortable as you are about exploring who you are. (Pardon me GBers, this is a little like Dr. Mu's posting on energy and the muscle, lol, I have to know this kind of thing.)

Having said that.....remember how parents always told us, "never discuss politics and religion?" I can picture "sexuality" soon being included in that list of warnings for polite table conversation! Hopefully, all of us in here don't have to feel that we're at a formal dinner, but rather we're the bunch of kids out in the back yard running around having fun, playing games where everyone can play, tripping over each other sometimes, but then helping each other up, too, and of course, listening to SD music over the stereo system which is piped out to us.

Ruby: Your experience of making and eating that toast sounds---wonderfully sensual. Makes me want to go have some right away! In fact, I think I'll get El Supremo in on it, *sigh*.

O Michael: Bet you're hungry for toast now, too? :)

Just Katy :)

The friday Woodstock concert was advertised only as Levon Helm, Amy Helm, Phoebe Snow, "and friends". That was the show I thought I was going to. It was only after I got there that people buzzed that Fagen & Becker were there, 20 mins before they walked on stage. So the answer is that nobody knew that there was something to tell.

After, I tried to find out who would appear Saturday but nobody at the Bearsville Theatre knew for sure who would show up.I even had a friend e-mail Fogel in case he knew but he never heard back.

What can I say?
E|,---,---,---,---|E.
B|r8++"+++r8++++++|B.
G|a9++"+++a7++++++|G.
D|m9++"+++m7++++++|D.
A|----------------|A.
E|K8++"+++K7++++++|E. Steely Peg .
Did they hear Paul Desmond wih Ed Bickert in San Francisco?
I had to ask.Really, it's bugged me .

Hey Dan Fans : My wife and I hit the big apple last night, stopped by Le Bar Bat and was pleasantly surprised to see Corneilous Bumpas who played on the last Steely Dan tour. He was Jamming with Mark Ledford of Pat Methany's band. It was an incredible musical experience. Ledford was fantastic, every time I looked up, he was playing a different instrument - and was great at all of them. After the show, I asked Cornelious about the new album and tour (if any). He said that he wasn't exactly sure as things keep changing. He was a nice guy and was very pleasant to my obviously star struck wife.

hello all,
First off I want to comment on St. Al's post a few days back about the gay hating web site. I don't want to bring up past subjects really, but I just read it so it's new to me.
Having known numerous gay/lesbian people, and having known many "good christian folks", I'd place my bet on the humanity of the homosexuals anyday. Time and time again it has been proven to me that these good christians are the most judgemental, high and mighty jackasses I have ever seen. Of course this is not a broad generalization, I'm sure there are some wonderful practicing Christians out there, just like I'm sure there are some really awful gays. But 8 out of 10 times, I've found the opposite to be true.
I just can't fugure out how these people who say they act in God's name think that alienating and humiliating people because of there sexual preferance ( which really is no business of theirs in the fist place ) is a righteous and good thing to do. Last time I checked I understood that God was about caring and loving our fellow people, but lately it seems to be that honoring God means to hate and judge people because they are just a bit different than them.
I know I don't need to tell anyone who frequents the GB this, you all seem to be decent people with good heads on your shoulders, but I just had to get this off my chest. I've seen too many friends get hurt emotionally and/or physically by these "good christian people".
Thanks for letting me rant about that.
on to more pleasant subjects....
Sister Katy: As you know by now, I got the pic..you rock sista!!

All who will read: David's site is very cool, his lovely wife has done a fabulous job her first time around, kudos to her!

As far as family reunions are concerned, absence make the heart grow fonder, but there's nothing like a good rousing, dramatic scene in the middle of Arby's to make a family come together.
I could sell the rights of my family's stories and make millions, millions I tell you!! Springer ain't got nothin' on us!! Katy, be glad you missed it. Next one, I'm coming up there with you instead.
Well I'm sleepy, I will check back later.
Peace to you all,
JDF
P.S. Thank you to all who welcomed me back, much apreciated
:o)

...D&W didn't want you to think we were filling in at the last minute for Aerosmith...

Pay-Per-View, Baby,

Loosie

Dr. Wu: Do you know Geraldo? He once fondled me after a concert and Married With Children was the direct result of my silence. Thank goodness Danny Devito moved from Taxi to the big leagues when he did or I might be Al's "Peg". Come to think of it though, I kinda wish I had gestated a mini-me...

Altamira: We're a dying breed, honey. Have you seen those new belt-buckles with the secret lip-stick holders on the back near the curved hook? Holy Moly! Let's lip synch, girl!

From a Blistex,

Bette

you people on this guestbook are a bunch of fucking losers.

Oh RubyBaby - arrhythmia? That's the story of my life. But as for you, my heart is conducted by great drummers today, I think Steve Gad is using the rythmsticks this summer.

mrLaPage/Altamira - have you been to the Washington Zoo?.

Mu,

I ran a sub :50 sec quarter mile when I was 15. I never lost a race to a white man. My best time in college, over 20 years ago, was 47.4.

Running was a science to me. The turning point was when I discovered Yoga. The 400 meters has been replaced by the 800 as the most physically taxing of all races but when I was running the best athletes shyed away from the quarter. No one likes to engage their anaerobic systems by choice. Sure, it's ok if you activate the brown muscle in order to lift a 3000 pound car off a baby. But that's not a track & field event. The process is hell if you do it right, and to do it right you must do it often.

I don't dispute anything you've said. It's just than when you see God in the last 100 yards of a quarter-mile sprint, well, you tend to believe you have met him. If you win consistently, there is no argument.

Got Any Good Shoe Links?

Ric

Mr la Page; so, do you feel for a jog?

RubyBaby; you don't have to top that. just fly over to Stockholm next weekend. It's the Stockholm Jazz-fest. I'm gonne see Rickie Lee Jones. I'll buy you blåbärssaft.

KatyDanFan; in Sweden we say; "Så, du är i väntans tider".

"So, you are in times of waiting?"

In English - Are you pregnant?

Altamira - "is that one reason why I like him so much? I can definitely relate to the issues of perfectionism, blocked creativity, and depression. Of course I'll never be in his league talent-wise, but I can understand where he's coming from - I find him an inspiring role model in the area of getting something done and doing it well without being so hung-up on making it perfect that one can't produce anymore"

If English was my first language, that would have been my words too.

I have been exploring the links brought to me by a great new search engine, www.google.com, that I read about in Home Office Computing (I highly recommend it, far better than infoseek, my previous favorite search engine, less annoying graphics, among other things), and one of them mentioned a man who claims to be from Fagen's home town, Kendall Park. Well, every other source I've encountered said that Fagen was from Passaic. Is Kendall Park a suburb of Passaic, or am I just too interested in New Jersey and ought to drop this line of questioning and get on with my life?

here's my question. Whay didn't those in the wodstock area let us know that B&F (the correct way: not F&b) were going to play? I could have gotten there!!!!!!!!!!

pissed

Mitch - Although I have enjoyed your posts and appreciated your fine comments on many things, I think you have missed the point of what I have written. I'm not defending my sexuality, I was just a bit miffed about the comment that only "lipstick lesbians" are allowed among the Babylon Sisters, largely because I see it as part of an attempt to categorize lesbians, which lesbians ourselves do far more than straight people, and which I just hate - why can't we all just be ourselves? I think this should apply to everyone; people should never be squeezed into categories defined by others but should simply be allowed to be whoever they are. And what is a "lipstick lesbian" anyway? I used to be quite "femmey," I'm now something else, not quite butch, maybe just me? I can dress up, and often do if my work or something else requires it, I even carry a lipstick in the bag I take to work - a dark, glittery pink. I'm just myself and I hate being pigeonholed by people, I don't think you'd like it if people did it to you.

I often post messages that have no lesbian content whatsoever; I only mention my orientation in response to a post by someone else that addresses this issue. And I don't want any special compensation, I just want to feel free to express myself and refer to my orientation in the way that the straight people here do - they may not be aware of it, but every time someone mentions a spouse, a partner of the other gender, or an interest in someone of the other gender, they are expressing their heterosexuality. And do you consider that a "lifestyle choice"? When did you decide to embrace the heterosexual lifestyle? I honestly didn't want to get political here, I would just prefer to discuss Steely Dan, but when others bring it up, I do want to put in my own corrections to some misapprehensions held by others. That's all, I have no axe to grind, I'm just setting the record...straight? No, we need a better word :^) By the way, I've found this group to be quite gay-friendly; the negative posts I've encountered are quite gentle compared to what I've run into elsewhere. I wish gender orientation weren't an issue here and I'd gladly drop it as an issue, but when people are talking about their attractions to various folks or other innoccuous items that involve gender orientation, I'd like to be able to chime in without that being perceived as defending my orientation. Then again, maybe I just long for a perfect world where all those things that keep us apart no longer matter.

Katy Dan Fan - Thanks. I'm glad Rose was just teasing; I'm just a little touchy about that issue right now. I have my own lipstick, as I just mentioned, but big kudos to Mary Kay for finally swearing off animal testing forever, as I just learned - if they are really concerned about not causing problems for people with sensitive skin, maybe they could hire some folks with sensitive skin to test their products. If the people have a bad reaction, they could have it treated, and since they would be paid, they would be compensated for the discomfort involved. It would also be a whole lot more accurate source of information than the animal testing; a person with sensitive skin would react to a product in a way that would be far more meaningful for others with sensitive skin than a rabbit would. I have sensitive skin myself, so I know. Also, I've participated in a similar test myself - I frequently suffer from depression and was involved in a test of Prozac last year. All it did for me was exacerbate a skin problem I inherited from my father - I had red blotches all over my face. Since skin rashes are a common side effect of Prozac, I actually gave the organization some information they could use by confirming something they'd already noticed (confirming earlier results is an important part of the testing process and of the scientific method in general). (The depression recently returned, but I'm keeping it under control with St. John's Wort and a good bit of introspection, reviewing things my therapist told me back when I was seeing her.) Note to would-be detractors: Yes, a lot of lesbians are in therapy or have been; dealing with the double whammy of being female and gay in this oppressive culture is a lot to handle, and I had a fucked-up family to boot. Fagen himself has been in therapy for depression; it's not that unusual (is that one reason why I like him so much? I can definitely relate to the issues of perfectionism, blocked creativity, and depression. Of course I'll never be in his league talent-wise, but I can understand where he's coming from - I find him an inspiring role model in the area of getting something done and doing it well without being so hung-up on making it perfect that one can't produce anymore). And, yes, I have been expressing my opinion on some issues here, something I pondered a bit before writing, but others have done the same thing; I think it makes this gathering a bit more interesting.

I find the idea of painting some designs on clothing quite attractive (to digress for a moment, my father, who was born in 1910 and from whom I and my brothers inherited our artistic ability, used to earn some extra money from his classmates in high school in the 1920s for painting cartoon characters on yellow rain slickers, which was a major fad back then and rather similar to the depictions of cartoon characters on clothing now, especially the handpainted ones on denim jackets), actually, I have found some ways to use my visual artistic ability in my current work, both in my own business and in my temp job - it's still there, waiting for some more serious exercise. But thanks for thinking of me.

I enjoyed this Steely Dan World-Wide Web site. Thank you very much for maintaining it.

Jon@your yellow stripe: Steely Sedan? How quaint! Do you think that its in reference to the old concept that cars to man are an extention of... you know... but now they're trying to appeal to women as well? Or is the writer just another scurvy brother? What kind of options are available in a Steely SeDan, anyway?

Clas: I listened to my cds again today. I'm overwhelmed! How do I top that?
Having an arrhythmia is like having your life depend on a bad drummer - what an idea! Do you really have an arrhythmia?

My life has an arrhythmia. Very bad drumming sometimes. Everything sucks. Then other times, it's like Jeff Pocaro is back with Bernard Purdie and they're drumming my life and things are finer than frog hair.

Dr.Mu: Diana Krall is playing at a theater near me this Saturday. Isn't she someone you admire? That in itself is causing me to be curious enough to check her out. I'm not sure of the 70 spacebucks it costs for 2 of us. Would it be worth it?

AnotherDrunkenSunday: 2nd Arrangement does have a certain percussion beat that could be mistaken by untrained ears as a tacky porn flick beat. (I'm sure to be flamed for that) But you gotta love that 2nd Arrangement! I wish they had put that on the Citizen set.

Katy: In the morning I like my toast brown & warm with butter and honey. At night in the winter I like it a bit more crispy with butter and brown sugar.
As for toasters - they all seem to have a mind of their own.

later
rb

Packing up the cool rolling bubble. See you in a week and a half. Damn, wish I'd been in Woodstock.

jon--that's funny.

maj--got any tapes?

aloha

Stranger; not so much interested in your ass as I am your reason for Paris...Forgive me for being so boldy intrusive, didn't mean to eavesdrop on you & Clas.

Went back far enough to enjoy Another Drunk Sunday's girlfriends demise.

Thanks Big Fan, ALTA: It is not necessary to defend your sexuality here, most of us could care less. You mention it quite often and that brings out the sickies who want to attack you. btw you will not be given any speical compensation for your lifestyle choice .

Dr. Mu: Thanks for that post which I read with interest and even a shred of understanding, since my son was a "track star" in high school. (And he gets his speed from his Mom, who also ran track.) I never knew just exactly what our muscles were going through......and I always knew there was slight danger with our breathing since we were both sprinters, plus we are both asthmatic to a point. He took something, I think the name of it was something you mentioned, Creatinine? The coach recommended it, but since we never did anything like that "way back when," I never understood how it was helpful.

Clas: What dear? Give me that in another combination of words......I'm not sure what you meant !

Rose: Welcome back, whichever Rose you are!

Altamira: Hey, Rose was just teasing, of course you can be up there with us, I bet you look much more like us than you look like the guys in here, so practice your triangle. And I have enough MaryKay lipstick to take care of all of us. How about if you paint a design on some clothes for us? Either on t-shirts or some long dresses. That would get you back into painting---and for a good cause :)

El Supremo: ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Ric: Lactic acid can contribute to muscle fatigue usually in exercises lasting from 30 sec to 10 min. It's cleared out and metabolized as a FUEL in about 20 min. Walking or joggin or light exercise will clear it from the muscles and blood faster (See paper by S.L. Dodd from about 1985 for a definitive look). However, contrary to public opinion lactic acid does not contribute to muscle damage or soreness. Too much calcium, caused by mechanical damage to the membrane with eccentric repeated (or lengthening contractions is the initial culprit - there are secondary mechanisms also but none of the have to do with lactic acid). There are a number of reviews on muscle damage and soreness by R.B. Armstrong. For texts in the broad area of exercise performance etc. see Brooks, Fahey, and White or Powers and Howley.

Ric: You *could* be the product of one the former bastions of higher learning where 60's irrationalization, PC, and opinion no matter what it is have taken the place of reason. There are still some exceptions, thank goodness. Your spewing of garbled utterances of course have little directly to do with the original question...but I will address your new "questions" anyway. "In the 100 meters, sprinters don't even take a breath! It's passive respiration and it is dangerous as hell!... If you don't warm down properly after a big invasion of lactic acid there's nothing in your book that can save anyone." There are four sources of energy for exercise: reserve ATP. phosphocreatine, glycolysis, and oxidative metabolism (citric acid cycle + electron transport chain). ATP is used exclusively during the first 1-2 sec. of exercise, phosphocreatine is then used to produce ATP for energy alone primarily for the next 10 sec. Glycolysis (metabolism of carbohydrate) kicks in about 10 sec into a race. Oxidative metabolism (mitochondrial respiration) begins to kick in humans about 20 sec or so and level off or reach an asymptote at 2.5-5 min (half-time of 75 sec on average) into exercise depending on the intensity of the exercise. The first 3 systems are sometimes lumped together as "anaerobic metabolism", although they can proceed quite well with plenty of oxygen present in the cell to run oxidative metabolism as is true during exercise in a healthy person at sea-level or low altitude. Glycolyisis can produce ATP with or without oxygen, but without oxygen and during very high intensity exercise even with oxygen available or even being consumed concomitantly, the result is large lactate production. The enzyme which produces lactic acid, which is dissociated into lactate ions and H+ at physiological pH (7.0 in muscle at rest and as low as 6.4 during a 800 m race) lactate dehydrogenase is the terminal enzyme in glycolysis and is a branching off point. It's reactant pyruvate can be used as a source of substrate by oxidative metabolism or converted to lactate by LDH. How NADH, ADP, Ca++, etc control oxidative metabolism and its time course require too much space for this venue. A sprinter running a 100 m race then primarily uses stored ATP and phosphocreatine for energy! Since the rate limiting enzymes in glycolysis, like phosphofructokinase, are just receiving the signals at 10 sec into exercise, that faucet is just beginning to turn on so there is little lactic acid being produced with a 100 m race. Since you’re dependent on "anaerobic metabolism" oxygen stores in the blood and lungs are probably enough for 10 sec. It’s tough to hold your breath even for 10 sec though as there is a strong descending signal from the cortex through the respiratory center in the medulla (brain stem) to the respiratory muscles that say "breathe muthafucka!" It is possible that holding one’s breath for the race could a) stabilize the torso and promote a faster run, and b) large activation of respiratory muscles can actually cause reflexive shift of blood from limb muscles (don’t try this at home) - I'm not sure about the ergogenic efficacy though. The main risk though has little to do with oxygen, but a intense breath holding or Valsalva maneuver would result in a dangerously large increase in blood pressure – you could pop or cause an aneurism and overload the heart (it is also a concern when weight lifting). This is probably most dangerous for older folks and those with cardiovascular disease.

Ironically, there may be a role for free radicals in promoting muscle contractions if one is not fatigued. They have been shown to help control glucose uptake and the release of Ca++ from muscle sarcoplasmic reticulum in isolated muscle models – see papers now and in the future by (1st authors) Reid, Balon, Agdhasi, Lawler, Murray, etc. We don't have much info on intact humans yet except for a Reid paper which addressed fatigue.

As for a fact about the transgenic animals look up Orr and Sohal in Science, 1994. I quote it because I READ it along with 1000s of other articles. Do you have a clue what a primary reference or a peer review journal is about? Don't come to class next time before you do your homework!! BTW, not that's it's any of your business but I have competed in competitions at the high school, college, state, and national levels. Please feel free to discuss this further OUTSIDE this venue @ the address above.

In July issue of "Smart Money" magazine, article about cars is entitled, "Steely Sedan".

David - I'm looking forward to visiting your website when I get home and have enough time to explore it.

Babylon Sister Rose - I get so tired of people out in the real world telling about how I don't fit in because I'm not butch, and now I have to put up with you telling me I can't be a Babylon Sister because I'm not a lipstick lesbian (even though I do wear makeup from time to time, depending on how professional I want to look - another one of those category-confusing things). I hate the way this society is so fixated on sticking people into categories and then treating them a certain way as a result. I don't mean to get so angry over something trivial, but you just really touched a nerve with this.

Hello Everyone- Well my site is getting a few hits...but it has come to our attention that some folks didn't know to click the 3 boomerangs at the bottom of page 1, to get to the other pages . So my Webmistress Dale has changed those Icons!
So, I'll run this once more for those who might have missed it first time around ...those of you who stopped by , Thanks for your Time and help getting this thing up. David

Clas- Bernard Purdie is Da' Bomb ...what a cool guy he is!
Edd Cote- Hope to see you on Marco Island !

Hello Fellow Dan Fans- May I offer up my new Web Site for your certain scrutiny? Please go to Http://www.davidmooremusic.com

My CD is Not Done yet... but my Wife Has worked very hard trying to create her first Web Site. When you're a beginner at HTML Code...it takes a lot of Hours. Thanks Dale!

I hope you Folks get some enjoyment out of it , Thanks,David

Mu,

Have you ever done anything or do you just spout your own brand of L.M. Boydism? In the 100 meters, sprinters don't even take a breath! It's passive respiration and it is dangerous as hell! Just like shooting off a bunch of bullshit like you and all your kind take great delight in sharing. Where are your facts? You quote some source you heard at a party because you were at the RIGHT party, am I correct? I bet you memorized a bunch of mathematical formulas but have no idea why they do what they do. Spare me the big words. If you don't warm down properly after a big invasion of lactic acid there's nothing in your book that can save anyone. Ever stretch? Jog? Tell us about it.

Waiting For Your Ante...

Ric

Dr Mu - "ventricular arrthymias could regularly occur which are more dangerous? I don't think so unless there is underlying cardiovascular disease but I'm not sure" YES!

That's excactly my point! No docs in the world can tell if you have an underlying cardiovascular disease. You can check your heart in thousands of ways, bloodsamples, EKG, X-rays - whatever, the Doc's saying; -Hey son, you're alright, you're gonne live for ever.

Then you drop dead when you're going home with the subway.

Gimme a whiskey or two Valiums.

Life's a bitch.

Oh man, Fagen and Becker on stage again!

Stranger; are you really going to Paris? I wish we could meet. But I don't know if I can tell my wife I'm going abroad for another Steely Dan-fest. I already hear her say; -and who's gonne take care of the dog? -did you find your wallet?

Jerome's intro; I laugh my ass off everytime I hear it. When me and my wife visited Los Angeles 4 years ago we lived in a hotel in St Monica. When we arrived and got our room I was pissed that we didn't get an oceanview. Then I looked out from the window and there it was; Civic Center. 50 meters from the hotel. And at nights a ghost shaded around the Civic building. I guess that was Jerome.

Dr Mu; "ventricular arrthymias" - yes, what are you saying Ole? Having arrythmias is like having your life depending on a real bad drummer.

SteelyKateFan - what! Are you in times of the big Waiting?

I have to ask you Yankees something, late last night I watched this Jerry Springer fellow. What is that? Is it real or is it all set up?

Peter North's drink: Bad Sneaker; tastes like a penis colossus (my friend).

I'm just back from Vegas, to report Wayne Newton made a flimsy attempt covering Florida Room!!! at the Flamingo Pink Velvet/Brown Nawghide Room. His sidemen hit all their mu majors.

An image that sticks from Art Crimes '96: DF at piano a la Ray Charles, (shades included) rockin' steady/singing Glamour Profession. The disco beat drums were awesome live and I sensed great anticipation for guitar choir before the piano solo.

Will SD be deemed relevant by Rolling Stone? mentioned by Spin?
These kids today immediately identify/hear 'porno soundtrack' unless it has a bombastic, effects soaked hip-hop, or psuedo psychedelic shit jingle drum track.

I guess it really doesn't matter - our culture for the most part has been, is, and always will be in the toilet anyway. Long live Elvis and President Billy Blythe.

Thank the divine powers every day for Steely Dan, and Salvador Dali.

Altimira- The shows in Bearsville were last Friday and Saturday nights. Donald and Walter both played on Friday and on Saturday it was just Donald.

As far as you wanting to gain membership to becoming a Babylon Sister, as of this time we are only allowing in lip stick lesbians. Check back with us in a couple of months.

Big Fan - Twelve months! Damn! Oh, well, I guess it's worth the wait. I placed my order last month. Just out of curiosity, exactly how was the recording procured from the sound board? Was one of the technicians doing something she/he shouldn't have been? Oh, well, I ordered the damned thing, so I guess that makes me a co-conspirator. I'll try not to feel guilty about buying this and some other less-than-legitimate recordings since if F & B had been producing more recordings on their own, I wouldn't have to resort to buying this stuff to satisfy my longing for their music, but, as I've written before, I've had my own experiences with not producing as much as I should/could, so maybe I'm being hypocritical. And maybe I just worry too much.

KatyDanFan - Hey, I hear the term "girlfriend" used all the time around here, often in reference to men (!), so, sure, I understand. I'm glad you like my posts, and since I'm a little too somber to brighten anything up, I'm glad that you can do it.

I rarely go to the Smithsonian museums since I don't like the big crowds, but I did catch the show of early 19th-century American furniture a few years ago, which ignited my interest in Empire (aka Classical) furniture, and I deeply regret missing the Treasure Houses of Great Britain show. I do occasionally go to the National Building Museum since I love architecture; it's also a great building and has the world's largest brick columns, which are finished in faux marble. I don't go to art galleries any more since they make me feel guilty about not painting - maybe I should, they might inspire me to get off my lazy ass and produce something. So you're three hours from here? Great, maybe we could develop some interest in having a Danfest around here, since there's another poster in DC and a number of other posters live not too far away. I wouldn't want to be chauvinistic and insist that it be held really close to here, but perhaps some sort of mid-Atlantic location could be found that would accommodate many of us.

I don't laugh when I hear Jerome's intro to Boddhisatva live since I always just skip over it as I find it quite annoying. I'll try to listen to it when I'm in a good mood and see if I can find the humor - if you keep on laughing, it must be funny; I'm probably just being an old curmudgeon.

Hey, can I be a Babylon Sister too? What do I have to do to gain membership? Or should I even ask? :^) Donald would probably share his piano if he were playing the melodica too. I just want to play my mandolin, or is playing the triangle required for membership in the sorority?

Kingston - I'm glad that Mindy Jostyn is finally getting the attention that she deserves; I always felt sorry for her being kept in the background on some other recordings. Of course, I know this is how musicians start their careers; they start out in the background and then gradually move on, as she is now doing. Just out of curiosity, if Becker wasn't there, then why does the review say that he was? I'm not doubting your word; I'm just wondering.

Stranger - Oh, I didn't mean to insult your ass! Now that I think of it, I actually do know a gay man who has a flat ass. Yes, those buns of steel probably are the result of much hard work in the gym, which is quite popular these days so as to produce that much-desired buffed hard-body look. I'm so glad that lesbians are still allowed to be fat; well, some of us work out, but one doesn't have to in order to be accepted, so I'll be content with my plump form. ( I do get a lot of exercise riding the bike every day; I just like to eat too much.) I'm sure your ass is quite attractive indeed.

Mitch: 3 answers:
1. Tunnel Records: www.tunnelrecords.com $45 plus shipping - takes about 12 months
2. www.ebay.com auction $:whatever you can afford to pay to get it. (be careful of CDRs)
3. Large cities (like NYC) that have "import" CD stores.

Good Luck!

In regards to the Manassas Tape 1. cost 2. Where to buy? BTW , there was only one Woodstock ,they can call it what they want, but they will never assemble the talent like the original show....... never ! The New version of the original moovie includes Canned Heat and they kicked ass. Thanks again Max.

Clas: I've seen a triathlete with resting HR about 40! Under 50 it's possible that since the SA node is so sluggish that another cell in the atria can take over for a random beat, a premature atrial contraction (PAC) which is inocuous...we'll have to ask Oleander if ventricular arrthymias could regularly occur which are more dangerous? I don't think so unless there in underlying cardiovascular disease but I'm not sure - getting out of my area here.

Great information about "Woodstock '99"

Uhhh.....that 50 refers to the heart rate Clas was talking about ! I mean, I'm a babyboomer but, not that far gone yet!

JK :)

Mitch: Point your browser to:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_manassas.htm
for a list of songs.
Yes, it is a 2 CD bootleg taken off the sound board. There is a video of the concert that came out first. It is the only CD that was created "commercially" of a 96 concert so far - the rest have been tapes. It was about average for a 96 show - no "new" old songs - you do get the two new songs.

Kingston: Wish I had known - I couldn't have gone anyway - but think of it Denny was playing in Boston and Don & Walt only 2.5 hrs away. Really weird.

Clas: How about if you simply turn that heartbeat over again? :)

Mitch: Yes, go get Manassas live, in any form you can!

Whoever asked about the toaster, I recently bought Krups, and give you my vote for that; it's the best one I ever had of the toaster population.

I think we could have fun with a toaster survey, come to think of it. Not only what toaster is your favorite, but How Do You Like Your Toast?? This looks like a game crowd!

(Look at it this way, if any couple in here gets married (I can't imagine who that might be *grin*) we'd know what toaster to buy them. And 35 toasters later, well......the extras could be distributed at the next DanFest!

Altamira: Thanks, girlfriend, (don't take that wrong now, lol) I enjoy your posts, too. I'm considering what you said and you could be right, I seem to enjoy either shining light or------ spraying water in here, as circumstances dictate. Tough job but someone has to do it!

Wanted to ask you, do you go over to the Smithsonian very often? If I lived there I would! Last time I was there was for the (was it the150th?) anniversary of the Smithsonian in the summer of 96. I'm ready to visit again! I don't know why I've waited so long, I'm less than 3 hours away.

DanQuestion: Does anyone else in here Always Laugh when you hear Jerome's intro in Santa Monica? I would think after hearing it so many times I wouldn't actually continue laughing out loud, but I do, it's always like hearing it for the first time! (What is Jerome doing these days, St. Al implied he was "long gone" when we were talking in the chat room the other night.....I hate to think he' not around anymore.)

Another Drunk Sunday: Assume the best, at least from me! Regarding your girlfriend comment, too funny, lol.

Clas: Love your posts, you're sounding so....together, I think we Babylon Sisters like that----did you say you're passing out the triangles? But I want the piano for a little while for Charlie Freak, is that ok? Does Donald share?? After that, I promise I'll just do triangle and be happy.

Dr. Mu: If I were that guy, I'd ante down :)

El Supremo: Love you, babe!

Just Katy :)

Just Keeping Kool

Below is a newspaper review of the Woodstock show I saw on Friday, submitted to Hoops' Sd Digest by sdf@clarkson.edu.

It's a pretty fair picture of the night, leaving out mainly that DF moved to piano after one tune, and also sang 1 song. Also, some in the crowd of locals were talking about Levon having been very sick last year, some said with throat cancer, which may be why he didn't sing

I wasn't there Saturday but my friend was. Fagen (but not Becker) was there, and John Sabastian showed up and played great blues harp.

From the Albany NY Times-Union

By DAVID MALACHOWSKI

Bluesy Helm makes summer memories

As singer and drummer for Rock and Roll Hall of Famers The Band, Levon Helm, who hailed from Arkansas, was a key ingredient in the timeless and evocative recordings they made from 1968 to 1976. Despite the fact that the rest of the group was Canadian, their music represented some of the purest examples of the essence of Americana.

Here at the Bearsville Theater, longtime Woodstock resident Helm gathered a few of his friends together to launch his little yet-to-be-named blues band (the Barn Burners is a strong contender at the moment). And what a crew of friends it was.

They kicked things off with a cache of Chicago blues shuffles and a few jump swing tunes as well, with a sound that was raw, nasty and, well, unclean. Current musical director for "Late Night with Conan O'Brien,'' Jimmy Vivino quickly joined the fray with some stinging slide guitar work. He easily fell into a bandleader/MC role as the cavalcade of guest stars began.

First out was Amy Helm, who simmered through "I Just Wanna Make Love To You,'' stretching from a breathy whisper to a sultry wail. With "Fever,'' they brought out singer/multi-instrumentalist Mindy Jostyn, who traded verses with Amy as well as adding burning harp and fiddle solo.

Bringing out the legendary Phoebe Snow, Vivino quipped,"We're gonna have to raise the roof for her.'' Within seconds, Snow raised the roof herself, with a soaring, rich, vibrato-laden contralto of unbelievable range and control. Quite simply, Snow has to possess one of the best voices in the world. Soon she had some new helpers, Donald Fagen (on melodica) and Walter Becker (on guitar) who strolled out looking like lost college professors (this basically meant she had been joined by Steely Dan). At this point, it began to resemble Fagen's renowned New York Rock and Soul Revue. Even in the presence of these heavy hitters, Snow took total command of the room with a jaw-dropping take of "Bring It On Home To Me'' that earned her a standing ovation, as Becker pulled off a handful of solos with fine finesse and style.

Just when you thought you'd seen everything, Garth Hudson pulls up a chair and straps on an accordion. He spent an excruciating amount of time plugging in, but finally offered one of the more melodic and musical solos of the night. With the theater's barn-style ceiling and exposed wood, it was the perfect place for this pure and honest music. And it was so Woodstock.

The performances were all devastatingly good, which was not an easy feat, since no one played or relied on their signature tunes; this was blues night, and they all stuck to the program, thank you very much. The only downside of the whole evening was that Helm himself, who has one of the most soulful voices in music, did not sing a lick, content to sway and bounce behind the drums, and provide the heart and soul of the band, which isn't an unusual role for him. Helm played with power and economy, and put care into each well-placed snare hit, and smiled like he was having the time of his life.

Two hours later, both the band and crowd were drenched in sweat, worn out and completely satisfied. This might just have been the most memorable show of the summer.

Dr Mu/Ric; I have another interesting theory about too SLOW pulse. If the heart beats slower than, lets say 50 bpm,it's called Bradykardia if its caused by any poison or such stuff (but in this case its not the case), okay, I'll take it from the beginning;

IF your heart beats slower than 50 bpm, stand up and run a little on the spot! Why? Because those electric pulses from the brain that navigates the heartchambers "lose" their memory when it goes that slow! The electric contact pauses and the heart don't get that "beat"-command it needs to continue beat! It'll stop, then your dead!

So a steady pulse in 65 bpm is to recommend.

Thanks.

What is the story with the Manassas Va. live CD ? Is ita double CD ? Is it from Art Crimes 96 Tour? Is it one of the better shows Steely Dan put on ? any imput will be appreciated.

make that november release.

altamira,
thanks, i found the link announcing sept release for 2 against nature. however, now that i see it, i don't think we can call some url code typed in by a low-level reprise employee definitive evidence.

now about my ass. i'm sitting here minding my own business and you insult my ass. actually, i don't believe there is a direct link between the hypothalmus of straight people and a straight ass. i would guess that gay men spend more time in the weight room so they are more likely to develop their buttocks. they tend to be more absorbed in such matters.

Ric,

How about a video with Anna Kournikova now, the new eastern Europena tartlet? L.M. Boyd's model is purely coincidence or conjecture. A hypothesis without a mechanism. If there is no mechanism to test, then there is no science, but the public loves that shit - we all want to believe in magic whether it's dark or not. Be prepared to state an actual potential mechanism when you make a grand or sweeping claim based upon correlational data at best. Extraordianry claims require extroadinary proof. At this point there is as much cause and effect in that model as the rooster causing the sun to "rise" above the horizon in the morning. There is a phenomenon called apotosis or "cell death" pf heart cells which occurs mainly in males after age 60. The mechanism has not been fully delineated, but ironically involves free radicals and other potent oxidants dervied from oxygen and nitric oxide are proposed as a culprit.

"Come to think of it, using your anti/oxidation rational, shouldn't world-class sprinters, gymnists and particularly long distance runners have longer life spans than the regular populace? This is not the case." Again another assertion with no facts to back up the claim. Plus you have a mixed scientific metaphor here. The average life expectancy of people who exercise regularly is 2 years above the sedentary population. They are less susceptible to heart disease, colon cancer, high blood pressure, communicable diseases, depression, etc. The use of world class athletes on your part (I never mentioned this population) was a mistake. They often overtrain. are often injured, and many have poor nutritional and behavioral habits. People who exercise regularly do fit my model as their antioxidant capacity is increased by regular exercise. The antioxidant model with aging has direct evidence behind it. Raj Sohal's laboratory at SMU has used transgenic animals (animals with a gene eliminated called a "knockout" or with extra genes "overexpression"). Drosophila and mice with have an overexpression of catalase and superoxide dismutase (antioxidant enzymes) live longer and are more active than the wild types (normal). Would you care to ante up?

Clas - Thanks so much. I will mention the first article to my friend who lives in Sweden, and I'll look for the book and the second article; they sound quite intriguing.

I am so embarrassed. I thought she'd hide poison among her perfumebottles. And look what I found - "Poison, by Christian Dior for women", it IS a perfume.

Ric Ocasek - my dearest of friends! Are you by any chance a professor at John Hopkins? If you are, I have some very interesting theories on open spaces and bridges and their impact on the human being.

Just let me know.

And David in The fla Room, great homepage1 Your wife is an artist too!

And ALL of you fine eastcoast people, I linked myself from Davids excellent site to Bernard Purdies HomePage. And I read his gig-schedule. The Oct 9th he's playing on a private party in North Carolina. I'm so touched. I KNOW, it's my birthday but... you are so nice. Don't tell me Jackson is coming too.

Who's gonna pay the air-ticket?

Mu,

Funny this heartbeat thing should come up since I just recently read an L.M. Boyd piece stating that every mammal has roughly the same number or heartbeats in its lifespan. Come to think of it, using your anti/oxidation rational, shouldn't world-class sprinters, gymnists and particularly long distance runners have longer life spans than the regular populace? This is not the case.

The longest lived of us don't know a big hand from a little hand.

Quartz Free,

Ric

GIRLS!

It's time to rehearse! Where's your triangles? What? Are you sitting on your triangles?

Okay, but be aware of that one and each of you are sitting on a fortune.

Dr Mu/Mr La Page - okay, but listen; the max pulse for a person is 220 bpm minus his/her age. I'm 45 years old and that makes my max pulse... hmmm, where the hell is that cal... that makes my max 175. So, where's the point? Yeah, good question. Anyway, what I mean is; when the heart speeds, it's a big risk that the electric impulses, wheeled from the brain, fucks up. You'll end up with a circulation-collapse right there on that fucking jog-trail. With fancy shoes and all.

That's a theory of my own though. Have tried to convince several docs about its correctness but they refuse to listen.

Hi Altamira - that interview in the Swedish paper Aftonbladet was published at the time Fagen promoted Kama here in Europe. It wasn't much of an interview, Fagen was, according to the journalist, extremely tired. I could try to get it from their archives but remember; it's in Swedish.

Barney Hoskyns is an author and a journalist. He is also a Britt. He writes very well. His book "Waiting For The Sun" is "an entire history of pop Los Angeles in all its splendor and excess... No city in the western world exerts such a fascination as the damned paradise of Los Angeles". It's a great book, buy it!

Hoskyns also wrote an article in the Arena magazine, the May/June issue, 1993. The headlines describes Fagen as "The man who came in from the cool". Fagen explains; "In Steely Dan we were very arrogant kids... and when life starts to kick you around you have to swallow your pride. See, there was a real family thing about the Rock and Soul Revue that I'd never experienced before, and certainly not in Steely Dan. In a way, people of my generation have had to create new families, since their own families have so often failed to satisfy the needs that a family historically provided."

Hello 1 and all....

Interesting report of D+W sitting in with Levon's band. however, the reporter failed to mention where that occured. More, please?

Was in NYC today, in the Village for the day. Stopped by Matt Umanoff on Bleeker Street to try out a few basses and amps. Fantasized about playing a five string bass ala Tom Barney but -- in a lefty -- are you kidding? Practiced Chain L. to pass the time. Thanks Jake.

Strolled down the street to a CD store where they had a $49 dollar double CD of the St. Louis show -- 9/4/94, Riverside Amp. Someone please go take it before my next visit to NYC in two weeks (7/21) or I'm gonna *have* to buy it. Email me for the address to the CD place if interested. I have their card in the car.

And, yes, for you Pehhhhhhg, I crossed the square...

Oleander: Thanks for the nod on bass. Can you believe that last month I actually performed for REAL people not once but twice!! Or did I already tell you that? There are details like a solo Chain while the band argued what to play next.

Laters.

maj©

Another Drunk Sunday - Hey, good to see you back! And, yes, as far as I was concerned, it was empathy. I wouldn't presume to speak for other listmembers, but they seemed to be giving an empathetic response as well. I hope you hang around and continue posting; you have some good insights and some perceptive observations with a good bit of depth to them; you're definitely the sort of contributor who could really add a great deal to our sometimes overly navel-gazing community here.

By the way, I just came back from the little store to return the Bobby Blue Bland CD I borrowed (I'd tried to return it earlier, but I learned that my friend has Mondays and Tuesdays off) and my friend handed me the B.B. King CD he'd been listening to. He said if I liked Bland, I'd really like King. No real SD connection here, except that Fagen has said in more than one interview that he really likes B.B. King. It sounds less like SD or Fagen than Bland did, but it's certainly some genuine, real blues music and quite interesting to listen to. (And I did tell my friend at the store that I'd been turned on to blues by Steely Dan and Donald Fagen; of course he had no idea what I was talking about, but at least I'm spreading the word, as he is toward me regarding blues - music is at its best when it's shared, I think.)

September Tour Dates - Enough already! Do you know something or don't you? Quit teasing us and 'fess up!!

Hey All,

Pardon the earlier lunatic ravings, and thank you Oleander, Altamira and Katy, for the kind words and empathy. If it really was empathy; it's sometimes hard to tell on here. And I'm not really sure I know what that means, anyway. "I cried because I had no shoes, till I saw a man who had no feet." Is that empathy? But it's far less stressful to assume the best, and so I will.

My girlfriend listened to a clip of "Second Arrangement" and said it sounded like porno movie music. Her shit's out on the lawn now.

Maybe I expect too much.

so N'awlins is dull dull dull duh? Any other suggestions?

Clas: however, thanks for the tip - 3 day stopover in Cincinati now scheduled, with full briefing papers. Hi to Pompe, your sternum and your wife's collection of potions (get close and breathe deeply).

New one? Is that Mr Dan really doing a new LP? I like some of his early funny stuff, 'specially 'All Around My Hat', a Christmas winner!

September Tour? ... flying down to Muswellbrook?

Richard&kangaroos

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Q!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

Stranger - It's a different URL; www.repriserec.com/newreleases.html. Two Against Nature is still there; I saw it when I visited to check the address.

Mr. La Page - Another Washingtonian! Great, I'm pleased to discover another Dan fan in my city. The heat is brutal; I've only been riding my bike to work, no pleasure rides for me until the heat lets up a bit. I hope to go on a longer ride on Saturday.

Gay Al - What? I can't see where a man would be much interested being a lesbian, well, some men seem to be interested, but they tend to be straight, and lesbians aren't interested in them anyway. Are you saying that straight men tend to have smaller penises than gay men? I would have no idea, but, it's funny, I have noticed that straight men sometimes have these really flat butts that I have never seen on gay men. I suppose it's genetics, and since straight men don't mind having flat butts, or so I would gather, I guess it doesn't make any difference to them.

Honest - I have little experience with toasters, but I think if you chose a brand that makes good appliances in general, then they would probably make good toasters, too. I've been happy with appliances from Braun, Krups, and Hamilton Beach.

Clas - Yes, that's it exactly. You explained it much better than I did, but that's what I recall from what I heard on the local classical radio station about well-tempered tuning. But definitely not good enough for Mr. Fagen. Oh, well, he's surely taken enough time to make sure that all his instruments were perfectly tuned to whatever keys he was playing in on the New One, and they'll sound all the better for it.

By the way, I would be extemely interested in reading both Fagen's London interview with the Swedish journalist and Hoskyn's "Waiting for the Sun" - where might I find these?

Katy Dan Fan - Brilliant post; you answered Another Drunk Sunday far better than I did. And in a cheerful and upbeat manner, too - your lively posts really brighten things up around here.

Oleander and Ruby Baby - I thought it was Men's Wearhouse; at least that's the way the one here spells its name. But Wherehouse has deeper philosophical ramifications. And I certainly agree with Ole about Fagen's singing on On the Dunes - I especially like all that passion he puts into the repeat of "pretty women with their lovers by their sides...," damn, he just sounds like he's singing his heart out.

jack schilder,
been all over the reprise site. can't find anything on two against nature. another cruel hoax?

if anybody finds anything, post it please.

http://www.RepriseRec.com/

Soon...

Mr. LaPage and Clas: Don't worry about the heartbeat ceiling. The heartbeat thing is a coincidence. A better approximation of mean species lifespan is the antioxidant capacity inherent in the cells of the body divided by the oxygen consumed per min per unit body weight. If that doesn't help you worries try this. Since people who exercise regularly consistently have a lower resting heart rate (~55 bpm) than a sedentary individual (~70 bpm). So even if you jog for 30 min a day at a heart rate of 150 bpm and assuming 10 min of recovery with an average heart rate of 90 bpm - the result would be 17,797 heart beats LESS per day for the trained person! Even if the trained person exercises for 60 min + recovery they still save 14,597 beats!

Folks!

I haven't read th epage for a while, but I saw on the Reprise site an announcement or TWO AGAINST NATURE to be released on november (1999) 2nd. Any other affriments? (please respond also by email)

yours

Jack

Clas: Don't worry. I can't run in this Washington heat (100+ F). I never thought about having a limited number of heartbeats. Is that like having a finite number of brain cells or a limited number of ova? Can't I build up some sort of heartbeat reserve through good karma? And here I thought I was wisely using the extra heartbeats I once wasted on the sweet taste of Camel Filter smoke.

Since I've been away from the Guestbook, I don't know if I missed the discussion about the new Ben Folds effort. If I missed it, did anyone say how much it sounds like CtoE?

Gay Al,

No, you're not pissing anyone off, but think about this for a moment; anyone who has to ask that question isn't thinking with full brain capacity.

Winston,

Maybe you could start off the conversation. Is there anything Steely Dan related that hasn't been discussed here before? Maybe you could find out and let us know what the next topic will be, you're move babycakes!

Guys! I'm shitscared!! Just by chance I saw one of the bottles in my wifes perfume-collection, the label said POISON! I don't dare to stay at home, I ran down to my work. What shall I do?

She is going to poison me. Or is it for Pompe?

Kingston:

I know who mindy j is but who is jimmy v

ooops, navy and marine pilots on carriers, not air force.

winston,
eat more oyster shit.

Gay and others: on friday night BOTH walter and donald sat in with Levon's band (plus phoebe snow: plus jimmy v and mindy j). It was your usual blues-jam-session-bloody mess, but pretty cool to see in a room that holds about 300 (it was SRO). Donald's voice (he did one dylan tune) sounded very weak. Walter's guitar playing kicked ass.

st. al,
you're wrong. there's something to report on the new cd: another day without a new cd. sort of like saturday night live when it used to report that franco is still dead.

on candidate bush--i was in back then. he's go to be the only history major in the history of that era to rate a direct commission. because he volunteered to be a pilot? don't make me laugh. were plenty of qualified pilots back from nam who wanted to fly in the guard so they could fly jets on weekends. who would you rather recruit? one of them or a guy who hadn't even been to flight school. and if bush really wanted to fly, all he had to do was volunteer for air force ocs. but upon completion of flight training he could have found himself on a carrier off nam instead of in texas. little rich boy used daddy.

winston,
eat oyster shit.

I really don't want to piss anyone off here with my question, but I'll give it a try....

If a man doesn't care much for the gay and lesbian life style and lets it be known, does it really mean that he has to have a small penis? Just wondering.

Stranger and Dr.Mu, Why don't you two guys get your own chat room where you can talk about everything but Steely Dan.

Robin, Reality: It didn't hurt George Bush that he followed the worst governor Texas has ever had, the loud-mouthed Anne Richards. He has been fairly effective as governor of a culturally diverse state. He has mostly sucesses and a few failures dealing with the legislature. At the school level, they've completely rehauled K-4 curriculum (it looks much better) and are working on 5-8 and 9-12. Having said that McCain is still my first choice followed by Bradley.

Campaign finvances are a problem, but there are laws (even though Clinton and Gore do not follow them) - a $1000/individual limit. Moreover, if $$$ alone were a guarantee, Perot would have won in '92 and Forbes in '96.

Can someone recommend a good brand of toaster?

Fezo- You're right. I thought the world was just such a great place until St. Al opened my eyes to how horrible it really is. God bless you St.Al!

Ok, It's 2006 and Walter just finished Fall of 2002. It goes something like this 'George Bush JR. and all those nazis down in Washington DC.'

The only reason Dirty Work is not happening is because Donald doesn't sing it. Case closed.

If every song on the new Steely Dan record sounds like 'Big Nose New York', it will be worth the 20 year wait!

Here's my prediction, in two weeks Donald and Walter are going to decide to tour this year (spur of the moment) slap a band together that will be more sloppy then the one in '96 and tour this August and September. (Hope not) Please take your time guys, and do it right this time!

Arnold

Herm: i think it was some weird combination of Beach Boys who were supposed to show. Not Brian, but the dead Wilson (check that, the more recently dead Wilson), Jardine, and Johnston. Waters had the good sense to keep that poser Mike Love out of the mix.

I second St. Al's rant. That site is just so frigging indicative of the intolerance that's so rampant these days. Who cares how people choose to get off? Who cares where someone goes to church? Who cares what someone's racial identity is? That fool in the midwest who just spent his Fourth of July weekend showing his independence from rational thought should be the intolerance poster boy. Let his fate be a lesson for everyone else consumed by hate

I'm going to put on some Ellington and chill

Reality Check,

Don't you feel like an idiot defending George Bush Jr.? He doesn't need you! He's eclipsed every scam the lowly Democrats could create. Or is he just more efficient in his fund-raising activities? That's it! He's a financial genius!
Gosh, I'll bet that once he's in office, Campaign Finance Reform will top the congressional agenda and finally get a majority vote! Why, they're just waiting for a decent, law-abiding, spoon-fed, grandfathering profiteer to take them boldly into the new millenium and now the DREAM is REAL! Can't you just taste the coward in every pot?

I said quite clearly that Gore doesn't have a chance in hell. What's wrong with you? First time to hear your conscious?

*(!!!!!)

Robin

*Just emulating your multiple exclamatory victory jig.

Dirty Work has GOT to be THE most overrated Dan song of all time!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong - it's "ok", but c'mon !!!!!!!

Oh, yes, I forgot - this board is dominated by chicks...........maybe that explains it......
women tend to love to gravitate to such themes.

Third World Man

Robin you have had that hood over your head to long !!!

What the hell do you think we have recieved under Clintonista Monarchy !!! And don't tell me prosperity,blah,blah,blah(that's called BULL&*#@*!!)

And by the way you complain about CAMPAIGN money !!!!!!!!
The Clinton's people are the ones who lifted campaign fund raising to a new art form by ALL counts !! The Dem fund raising machine has become equally monstrous to any thing the Repubs have pulled.

I say vote Bill Bradley

But really - I'll bet you would have been happy had AlGore raised the $36M - now be honest..........

And how DO we justify $1000 a plate dinners by the likes of Mr. Gore and those who are soooooo committed to campaign reform -
I didn't have the coin to attend the one that came to my downtrodden neighborhood, but I saw lot's of limo's pull up - to Al's $1000/plate barbecue !!

Get with the real world, man

ITS ALL BULLSHIT - once you admit that, you won't go on teenage sophist sounding diatribes such as the one you just submitted.

Now go listen to some Steely Dan !!!!!!!!!

Signed,

Gwyneth Paltrow

Clas: Here I am again! Yes, that's 2 days in a row.
You'll be happy to know that I've gone from Alive
In America to Disc #1 of the boxed set. Gotta
love that Dirty Work!

No one anwered my question about the next east coast Dan Fest. Don't tell me I have to wait for the new one to come out before another one is planned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geo. W. Bush Jr. is the enemy. He is the culmination of all our big government fears. Hell, look at all the money the Skull and Bones bastards have given him! How can he lose? He's completely re-written the rules of campaign finance and the Electorate won't LET MONEY LOSE! Money always wins! Get used to it. George W. Bush Junior is going to be our next President. The rules do not apply...

He joined the Air Force Reserve to escape the Vietnam hamburger grinder and was promoted to 2nd Lieutenant IMMEDIATELY after booty camp. The closest he ever got to Asia was Alabama. Daddy knew just what to do--and believe me, the tracks are covered...

Junior was groomed from the start. Clinton had no one to groom him. Whitewater pales to the huge profits George Junior made from selling his Texas Ranger's stock--financed, by the way, with taxpayer's dollars. Yep, George Junior is the answer. A fortunate son. It is he. Junior Grandfather Clause. Mr. Morality. 100,000 young men were on the list to escape duty in 'Nam and the luck of the draw saved Barbara's little baby boy. Pure and simple luck. That's all there was to it. Meanwhile, Clinton was in Russia asking questions about Lee Harvey Oswald...

Gore really wants to be President. Bush really wants to be the President of daddy's club house.

No one knows where Bush Jr. stands on anything. He could serve two terms and we still wouldn't know. You THINK Hillary controlled Billy? You KNOW who controls little Lord Fauntleroy. Big, bad money. Money, Money, Money, Money. Anything to bring justice to George Senior--so unfairly deposed by a freak of Perot.

Gore is the man. He'll lose. He is a man. He'll make the polluter's pay. He'll say stupid things, blush and won't apologize. He'll be as awkward as he wants to be. We'll laugh and miss him the first time Bush bumbles through a teleprompter and CBS pictures him getting some sound advice from dear old past head of the CIA daddy. A puppet and his pawn. We'll have no one to blame but ourselves. And isn't that the American way?

Love It While You Can Still See It,

Robin Hood

goodkingrichard - oh, it is your colleagues that's going? For christ sake, don't meantion Cinncinati!

MR LA PAGE! I didn't realize until I was home last night that you said that you were jogging every morning! Don't DO that, it's dangerous. Have you not heard of "sudden heartdeath"? And God gave us a certain amount of heartbeats, don't waste them away! Take a cab to the job, sit down, take a cab home, sit still in the sofa, when you're getting tired go slowly to the bed. If you're having sex (yes, I remember sex), be sure that the girl is on top.

RubyBaby - have you heard me sing? Oh my god. Well, that's one good reason for me to stay sober. No more singing across the water. :)

Roy Scam - yeah, and I love the way he sings "You fella". Sorry to hear that your son couldn't go to Berklee. My son is probably going this fall or after christmas. He's got the OK from the school. And one good thing with Sweden is that you can borrow money from the state if you're studying. The bad thing with this country is that you'll spend the rest of your life paying them back.

Did you know that Gary Burton is the headmaster of Berklee?

Fezo - re pink Floyd; I heard a coverband once, down in a club on the Gulfshore, who did "Just another brick in the wall" better than the original. Amazing.

Altamira - I looked that word up, swedish "temperera", and it said that nowdays you compromise so every key you play in sounds okay (but okay is not good enough for mr Fagen). A couple of hundred years back they tempered the piano/clavinets so they sounded great if you for example played in A-flat. I don't know if that is "well-tempered".

Where the hell is Edd when you need him?

Oleander - yes girl, I know that you knew that I know. Damn, it's hard to provoke you!

Joni - no. It was Larry Saulters.

Good King Richard - if you can make a choice, go to Cinncinati instead. They have naked girls dancing on tables. Two dollars for the entrance.

Clas,

You irreverant vitablast! What have you been smoking? Bacon? Something has happened to you and I think you may have had a run in with David Geffen. He is gay but doesn't live in Wyoming which explains his remarkable longevity. Also, he rescued me from Michael McDonald, Thomas Dolby and Howard Jones right when I thought I'd never live as long as Mingus. But look at me! My beau frequently channels Jaco and his pinball wizardry speaks of many more free plays to come.

Supple Wrist,

Jonie

Just lurking... however, I have some colleagues heading off to New Orleans this w/e for a long course and they're staying downtown (Sheraton). Knowing what a knowledgeable lot you are and given the DanFest is still front page news over there, can anyone suggest some good (not too expensive though) bars and eateries, based on experience, rather than the effervescences of the guide books?

Richard&kangaroos

Gay: Let's hear more.

Now the fat lady ain't singin yet, unless it's backup on the new one - but the fact the Big Show has hinted in the past week that the end *may* be near is THE ONLY REAL NEWS IN 19 YEARS so far regarding an actual studio product. I guess having said that, we're still waiting. However, if Walter can keep Donald away from the mix board (OK, that's a big if), we should all know the winner of Ole's pool by the end of July.

Ole: My, my, my what a cynic we are. The Schlickmeister is more like teflon than a sponge...or better, he's rubber and Gore's glue the misdeeds bounce off him and on to Tipper's canoe. Besides he can't soak up what we're puking out - we've had it with their style and let the New Yorkers keep Hillary if they really wan't her. If we don't want politicians, it's up to us. Just repeat the mantra: internal locus of control, internal locus of control, internal locus of control... We're America dammit!! We've swept Wimbledon! Tiger's lurking to snatch a British Open crown. Our economy's kickin' ass while others are in the toilet! The other 80% of tax returnees just have to check off that $3 box for campaign contributions! Then no presidential candidate has to raise $36M...just a 1-800 # like Jerry Brown (y'know Linda Ronstadt's ex-boyfriend).

Book note: George Carlin's book "Braindroppings" would be even fuckin' funnier and one would appreciate his fuckin' acumen of the subtleties (and his ribbing of the lack of others) with the King's fuckin' English if he wasn't so fuckin' loose with his fuckin' expletives!

St. Al: Yep, practicing what they're preaching again. (I don't even want to go there to see it.) *grin* Great chatting with you in the chat room last evening, by the way. That goes for Schwinn, too!

Another Drunk Sunday: Welcome to the GB. You posed all the right questions, to which there are no definite answers, of course. You are sincerely asking and I can see you put some thought into your post----it made me both ponder some things and also smile at the human condition. I was thinking of adding to your questions, "Is it the love of the Dan?" but then you covered that cleverly.

As for the Dan's nuances, yes, I ask myself that every day ......how did I miss that? And that? All at once it's so.....obvious. But that is the beauty of SD....it will keep unfolding all the years of my life, an inexhaustive supply--- layer upon layer of something exciting. It's why I'm not so desperate about the new one, yes I am so anxious to hear it, and the idea of them touring again gets me so charged, but I'm still learning so much about the music they've already made, in contrast to some in here who are way ahead of me.

And yes, the apathy and silence can be worse than being the target of some sarcasm or derision, lol...if others ignore you it's simply that they're not "on your wavelength" that day-- and surely if they ignore you "on purpose," they're exhibiting the best of junior high school cliquish behavior and aren't worth worrying about. You can count on a number of us to not ignore you, even if we disagree or have our minds on something else! So....post to your heart's content.

Just Katy :)

Just Dancing, realizing that---- Dan is in dancing! How could it be any other way?

Any word on the Scam/Aja/Gaucho remasters? Haven't been to the music shop lately to check it out.

St. Al.. What do you mean no new Steely stuff to talk about? I'll make you a deal, get of this gay bashing crusade and I'll let you know more about last Saturday night in Woodstock, NY when Donald sat in with Levon Helm and his new blues band. (Wow, Pheobe was great!) Deal?

St. Alphonzo - I am aware of that horrible and hate-filled website and I wish someone could do something to it. However, those people are surely not representative of Christians in general, some of whom (many of whom? I don't know) are quite liberal and gay-friendly. Those folks who run the website (often referred to as FredPhelpsians) are one horrendous piece of work - they make me ashamed of the whole human race.

Another Drunk Sunday - You have a point; there's not much to write about regarding F & B these days. But we have to fill up this space with something; at least we're still thinking. I realize that not everyone likes my analyses, but some people do seem to find them interesting; when there's nothing new to ponder, considering what already exists is all I can do. I do start to wonder about what the point of the whole thing is though - this guest book, Dan fandom, life, whatever. Why bother? But at least I haven't responded with sarcasm, derision, or silence to what you have written; I found much to agree with in it.

Clas - I'm glad you're alright; I was getting worried! I'm not sure exactly what "well tempered" means, but I think it deals with a shift in the manner in which keyboard instruments were tuned in the early 18th century; the newer tuning style was called "well tempered." Others who contributed to the recent tuning thread would probably know a lot more than I do.

You're never too old to learn anything. Go for it, and enjoy!

My friend in Sweden is a Steely Dan fan and has been for many years, but he is actually American so I suppose he became fond of them while he was living here.

McSwaine--yes! more! STAT!

Rubay--I can testify to the relative innocence of the Wherehouse. Tonight I'm visualizing myself in a cape and pompadour, sweating on my knees, wailing, "It's a Dan's Dan's Dan's Dan's World." Thank you for that.

James--Thanx for the Drummer news. He deserves to be enthroned for that.

AnotherDrunk--Here. Put down that damn paper bag and that bottle and have some fresh chocolate chocolate chip cookies. You'll be all right. I've been on an On The Dunes jag lately. It's got to be one of the very best Fagen vocals, with nuance upon nuance. I could listen to it for the next 5 months, myself.

Words--That was pretty damn good.

Mu--Dammit, you're going to make me do it anyway. "Less political times" is not what I said! As long as there are politicians, even if they are less egregious than others, times will be political. And I don't see any hope of Clinton soaking up all the PC, self-serving, slimy, arrogant vibes for the good of the upcoming candidates.

Clas--Honey, you can say whatever you want here. I just had to draw some kind of line on my page, and if you'll notice, I gave myself a bit of a loophole on my front door--I'll print some references to well-publicized stories about their experiences. However, what interests me primarily is where the lyrics take US, not second-guessing their meaning via the artists' lives. I think that's more the territory of literary/ artistic biography than of feverdreams. So I'm not trying to contribute to your sternum agony, but you already knew that.

Because there is nothing new to talk about regarding Steely Dan, allow me a moment to step up on my pedestal...

Just saw something very disturbing. While watching the A&E channel's special on homosexual hate crimes, I had a chance to look at a web site:

http://www.godhatesfags.com

If there ever was a web site that was a good candidate for a hack job, that'd be the one. I don't often allow this to happen, but this one has definitely pissed me off. They spew slogans around like "Thank God For Aids" and "Aids Cures Fags." There is a picture of Matthew Shepard (young gay male beaten to death in Laramie Wyoming a few years back) burning in hell. They picket gay funerals displaying these slogans.

And they call themselves "Christians." One more reason why I no longer am...

Anyway, anyone know a good hacker out there? Wouldn't it be funny to change the main page on them...The mind reels with the possibilities

And before anyone flames me for not talking about something pertinent to Steely Dan, you can kiss my ass. I, like you, can do or say whatever I/you want on this page.

Stepping down now
StAl

Hey All,

What do you think drives us? Is it the love of money? The love of love? the love of sex? The love of power? A combination of all of these things, maybe? And where does God fit in? And why do I never talk to God anymore unless my ass is in a ringer? And why do you think I've never noticed how many different subtle nuances DF is capable of conveying through his voice, when all around me in this place it seems that everyone else already knows this? And how much patience does it take to wait 5 extra months for a release one has already waited 19 years to hear? And will my elation/disappointment be greater for those 5 months, once the sound finally arrives at the foot of my auditory nerve?
And how, I ask you, can one go on wallowing in this self-indulgent crap, as I am, yet still muster the courage to press that "Submit Addition" button, thus releasing irretrievably into cyberspace the thoughts and words which will be met with sarcasm and derision, or, worse yet, apathy and silence. For silence is the enemy here. I've been working on this masterpiece since 7 this morning, and the thought that it might, after those countless hours of work, go unheeded and un-commented upon, is enough to start the hyperventilation again. My paper bag, which has served me well for most of the day, is tattered and beginning to tear now; I'll have to get more wine from the store so that I might get a fresh bag.

Hello Fellow Dan Fans- May I offer up my new Web Site for your certain scrutiny? Please go to Http://www.davidmooremusic.com

My CD is Not Done yet... but my Wife Has worked very hard trying to create her first Web Site. When you're a beginner at HTML Code...it takes a lot of Hours. Thanks Dale!

I hope you Folks get some enjoyment out of it , Thanks,David

Happy Birthday, "Hoops!" Jim McKay! May your Dantastic Dreams come true,

lh.

I'm sitting here listening to The Hoops McCann Band CD for the first time and can't help but think Don & Walt borrowed a little from the arrangements in their live shows with lots of horns - especially Glamour Profession.

Had an interesting Dan moment this weekend at Veteran's Stadium in Philly - I took my son to see his first major league game against the Cubs. As we are walking in they are playing 70's rock - Springstein, Stones, etc. All of a sudden he says "Hey they're playing Steely Dan" it was Deacon Blues.

Mcswaine: Please tell us more.

Meant to say, "Singing backround on...". I wasn't suggesting that they would take over the lead vocal chores, although, that would have been interesting, too. "Mother", "Young Lust", and "Hey You", all sound like they could easily allow for BBoys harmonies.

Later,

Herm

Which Beach Boys? I'm going to make a leap and guess that Brian Wilson was not supposed to be part of it, though. That not only would have brought a different sound to the album altogether, but imagine what it would have done to the Beach Boys' career? I realize that they have been a successful touring band for the last few decades, but considering the phenomenal success of "The Wall", who knows how much further they could have gone. To be heard at least once a day everyday in every city with a classic rock station, singing "Another Brick In The Wall", "Comfortably Numb", etc.

Then again, too many Good Vibrations might have crumbled that Wall.

Later,

Herm

only guitarist beside Waters and Gilmour on The Wall is Willie Wilson (first name ?) who also played in the Floyd touring band back in the 70's.

guest vocalist on The Wall: Toni Tennille
scheduled guest vocalists on The Wall: The Beach Boys (they missed their connecting flight)

Waters is doing a limited tour this summer on the East Coast. Alas, he's going the nostalgia route and mainly featuring material from The Wall and before, choosing to ignore his subsequent solo work which is very unFloyd like and perhaps not coincidentally much more interesting.

Clas: I'm with you, friend, on intro to Bad Sneakers. I just get this sort of deep smile when that comes on :) And how about Fire in the Hole?? Another great intro, wow!. And Boston Rag, that one makes me stop everything I'm doing and quietly go into a trance. Oh and we can't possibly forget Your Gold Teeth!

Speaking of Gold Teeth; That's one of the songs that just moves in such a compelling way .....like Charlie Freak.

Regarding an East Coast Danfest, far away at this point, but March will be the 10th anniversary of the Berks Jazz Fest; it's already got a great reputation and I imagine for #10 it will be even better. This year included David Sanborn---his plane arrived late and he promised he'd make up for it---he did, and then some. Anyone who's anywhere near the Philadelphia area and interested, keep in touch. Judging by how fast life goes these days, it will be here before we can say Kamakiriad.

David in Florida room: Nice site----looking for good things in the future,---you should alert soon-to-be-married DanFans everywhere! -

Ruby: Hey, girlfriend! Uhh...what was the name of that store again? You scared me for a second! I've never been to a....Wherehouse? lol And are you offering Clas water from the well that never runs dry? *smiling*

El Supremo: Where'd you go? ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Hey,

About a week or so ago I posted with a favorable recommendation of Larry Carlton's album with Lee Ritenour, "Larry And Lee". After doing so, I sort of remembered something odd being in the liner notes, so I yanked out the CD and read them. It claims that Lee Ritenour's guitar is heard "all over" Pink Floyd's "The Wall". Well, I looked at the notes for "The Wall" itself, and no such credits are given. I went to the All-Music site, and checked under both Rit and Floyd, and there is no listing or cross-referencing of him playing on "The Wall", or any other Floyd record. So, naturally, I'm curious as to why it would be mentioned if it appears to be false. Does anyone have any info or insights into this? The only guitarists mentioned on "The Wall" are Gilmour and Waters. I suppose it is possible that vainity precluded them from mentioning an additional guitarist, but to my ears, I only hear Gilmour's distinctive guitar sound.

Let me know.

Later,

Herm

Clas, Ruby: Bad Sneakers, one of my favorite dan tunes, is indeed theraputic to sing as long as you don't expect yourself to sound like Fagen. It contains one of those classic Fagen phrasings; the four-syllable rendering of the word 'fool' in the line, "do you take me for a fool".
Check out Randy Newman's 1974 tune "Back on My Feet Again" as a possible inspiration for the 1975 "Bad Sneakers": an incarcerated mental patient trying to talk his way out while jumping from memory to delusion to fantasy to paranoia while getting them all a bit confused.

Geena: I'm bringing my aspiring keyboard ace on the train to Beantown this Friday. Thanks again. Please don't tell Berklee how much we can't afford this.

RS

Clas: I heard you sing once - you've got a wonderful voice. Did you know that singing is great for sternum pain relief? Have you tried singing Bad Sneakers? It's a good temporary fix. If you want a permanent one - you gotta go to the well that never runs dry.

I took my son to the Wherehouse yesterday. Since he doesn't want to be actually seen *shopping with mom*, I browsed the other aisles. I found a new copy of 11Tracks for 17.99! I wonder if it's still in print?

rb

clas,
right, talk about it. the boys have eaten too many fruit loops. besides, we've got freedom of speech here. but we try not to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater or espouse cannibalism as a preferable life style. still, if someone's tried the latter, tell me, does it really taste like chicken?

Well did you find me alright? I hope the directions weren't too vague. Reminiscent of an overcrowded bar, but I don't mind the company, love the music and wouldn't mind kicking your butt at foosball or around here they call it babyfoot. Talk about a hothouse flower, I only wish I could be laughing at the frozen rain right now. I miss you, even if you don't believe it...leave it to me to find the bar. You know I love parties.

B

Ray Ban; but man, you have a great whale story in your country as well. When Charles Mingus realized he was dying he asked Joni Mitchell to do his last album. She said yes and destroyed the ten following years of her career. Anyway, the day he died at the age of 56 (he was down in Mexico), 56 whales stranded on a beach in Mexico.

As Joni Mitchell wrote; -Such things thrills my imagination.

Check up that vinyl, if not for the music, maybe for the paintings. If not for the paintings, maybe for the incredible Jaco Pastorius. And his horn arrangements.

H E L P ! ! ! !

I am getting extremely restless as I await the release of "The New One". It doesn't help that The Dan isn't touring this summer either. When and where is the next Dan Fest on the east coast? I NEED A FIX ! ! ! !

P.S. I've listened to Alive In America every night for a week. I think I'm losing it!

Amy
http://homes.acmecity.com/music/liveradio/142/SteelyDan.html

Ray Ban - yes, haven't you heard about Jona in the belly of the Whalefish?

Dr. Mu,

Are you oversampling again?

Real Time,

KV

Clas, my distant friend! Do Swedes have any old fables about whales? Did you know there are stratas of ocean that are more conducive to the transmission of whale communication than others? Usually deep, still and cold. Right where the submarines like to hide. But just like a bat following a mosquito head-on into a lamp post, the whales dodge the subs, depth charges, polaris's, torpedos, etc. and still eat what they want without taking a hit except for maybe a harpoon between Vancouver and Juneau.

Suddenly Interested in Oceanography,

Ray

¿wanne = wanna?

Ment = meant

Manny = many

can I go home now?

Stranger - "am surprised they talked about it" Yeah, so am I. And my point is, if THEY talk about it, why can't we?

Altamira - first I wanne say this; this Sternum Agony is just a bad joke, I'm trying to be funny over my neuroses. No harm ment.

AND, thank you VERY much for your answer! That gives me hope. But then again, I am too old to pick up singing. Yes, have heard the term "welltempered", don't know what it means though. Is it when you tune a piano so it only sounds good in one key? Please explain.

So you mean that this friend of yours is a Steely Dan Fan? Hey that is great. I don't see manny in Sweden. It is mostly in musician-orbits you find them. And in The Sternum Agony Society. :)

Hey, "Musician-Orbits", is that English?

KatyDaneFan - hi! I have another fave-intro, Bad Sneakers. I don't know if it IS that good or if I like it just for sentimental reasons. That songs is one of my absolute faves.

OOOOOOOOOpssss - damn, someone flew over the cuckoos nest again. Was it you Geena? Back from Russia?

Words - Wonderful! I just love it; great post. Very perceptive.

The Dan understands Civilization well;
It wets my mind, but prettily,
It chills my life, but wittily,
It is not disconcerted,
It is not broken-hearted;
Well used, it decketh joy,
Adorneth,doubleth joy:
Ill used , it will destroy,
In perfect time and measure
with the face of golden pleasure
Elegantly destroy.

JOSIEDANFAN*** Welcome back, sister! I still don't know if you got the picture or not? How have you been??

Clas: Nice to see the real you posting again for a change! I was wondering when you were returning......it was starting to seem as long as the wait for the new one to be released!

DanMoment: My mother, here for a fourth of July family get-together, tells the story of how, when she was doing her latest Sunday paper crossword puzzle (she's a whiz at these truly difficult ones) she came across "Steely ____" and she knew right away it was "Dan," because of me talking about them so much. (And I make her listen to Gaucho) So the Dan are appearing in crossword puzzles, lol.

O Michael: Gee, you seem as though you really do want to kill off El Supremo! Well, then you can be the one to give the explanation of this, lol.

El Supremo: Our days might be numbered. In the meantime, ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Just Keeping Cool !

Q - Sounds sort of like those faulty stamps produced by the Post Office - the errors serve to increase the value over the years.

CD Cannibal - I have not purchased the remastered CDs since I have just a little boombox here in my tiny apartment and I didn't think I'd appreciate the improvement in sound quality on my little machine. But if there are new liner notes, I would love to read new prose from Fagen and Becker, since they both write so welll. I'm getting tempted here.

Josie Dan Fan - I'm delighted to see you back here. I'd read so many complimentary things about you.

Clas - Remember J.S. Bach's well-tempered clavier? I think you're on solid ground here. Regarding the Swedish articles you mention, Becker and Fagen have said similar things in other interviews, so these seem quite consistent - I have a friend who lives in Sweden and who is a Dan Fan, I'll ask him about the articles; he might be able to turn up a copy for me. Certainly Fagen and Becker's songs are written from their own point of view, and this may have involved some elements from their own lives as well as a good bit of material from their imaginations as well as what they had observed.

Regarding your singing, if you can match pitch and sing well when you are playing the piano or listening to someone else, then you have the ability to sing well. Being able to sing unaccompanied is a skill that comes after you have become more secure in your singing and learned to internalize the sense of what key you're singing in and what the notes are in that key, essentially, knowing what the tonal center is. Regarding your range, keep in mind that people generally have three ranges - the middle range, the one they naturally sing in, and a lower and higher range, which might take some training to reach, since singing in these ranges often requires making some adjustments in the singer's head and throat. I thought I was an alto until a voice teacher helped me find my higher range; I discovered I had more than an octave of notes I hadn't been able to sing before. You would probably benefit from taking voice lessons; if finding a private teacher wouldn't be good for you, you might want to check out voice classes at a community college or through the adult education program of a local university, both of which can be quite helpful. Just because people are born with voices doesn't mean they automatically know how to sing; voice lessons can be tremendously helpful.

That pain in your chest sounds like it might be pretty serious; I hope you have it checked out.

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!

Hope all of you had a wonderful 'Independence Day' and recovered, unless you had to work today.

Good that you received the tapes and CD, Chris (Original Lester)---'Q' is right about the original CD 'remasters" on "Rikki, Don't Lose That Number', and so forth.

Keep the ones which have the first 20 seconds 'missing', and they will be collector's items someday----shoot, 'Q' is already offering you 20%+ what you paid for the originals.

KatyDanFan----'El Supremo' doesn't know what he has in a true loving woman, or he wouldn't be out of town so much! HSRD!!!

Smile and be happy!

Saludos!

Michael
; )

If you have the "incorrect" CD's DON'T SEND THEM BACK !!!!!!!

they will be considered "collectable" later.

If you have one and your just so dissatisfied with it and don't want to spring for a "correct" copy just email me and I'll buy it back from you at a 20% premium(first come first serve !)

BUT PLEASE WHATEVER YOU DO - DON'T BE DUMB ENOUGH TO SEND IT BACK !!!!!!!

Happy recovery from 4th !

Q

Mike- Got the goods last week. Thankyouverymuch.

James: Did they mention any other bands that Steve Gadd drummed for? Just curious, because he played in an British(?) band back in the mid-seventies called Charley. They were somewhat famous for the songs, "Johny Hold Back", and "she Loves To Be In Love", but more than the songs, they were famous with teenage boys for their sexy album cover - almost always a scantily clad pretty woman sitting on a bed. Nowadays, a cover like that would go completely unnoticed, but back in '77...geez.

Oh, by the way, the band was pretty cool, too.

Later,

Herm

lifted from the latest digest:

From: hoops@interaccess.com
Date: 4 Jul 1999
Subject: New "Pretzel" and "Katy"

The latest remasters of "Pretzel Logic" and "Katy Lied" came out in May over "The Dandom Digest Hiatus." Aside from the latest and greatest sound, these CDs continue where Walter and Donald's essays in last Fall's remastered CBAT and CTE left off. Thew sound is even better than before and, of course, the essays are great to obsess over when I am not trying to get a life and/or internet access. New versions of these CDs will be prizes in an upcoming Dandom Digest event. Get yours today…but be certain to read the next item first.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 4 Jul 1999
Subject: "Desparately Seeking proofreader..."

>From the latest update of steelydan.com

Desparately Seeking
proofreader
for reissue project.
Full benifits, parking, etc.
Work under experienced, older
man.

Call Andy M., ext 51.

---------
Unfortunately, Hb reports that the July 1999 CD Watchdog Column in ICE Newsletter features the new remasters of "Pretzel Logic" and "Katy Lied." The first runs of these discs have errors. In the case of "Pretzle Logic," the opening 20 second intro was left off of "Rikki" (just like on the first box sets in 1993) and on "Katy," Gold Teth II" and "Chain Lightning" were in reverse order. Only the first pressings of these ar eincorrrect and newer copies are corrected. According to Universal Music Groups' Any McKaie, the incorrect "Katy" CDs were pulled before release. However, some folks ended up with them anyhow.

If either copy of your newest versions of these CDs are incorrect, mail the entire CD to:

Andy McKaie
Universal Music Group
70 Universal City Plaza
Universal City Plaza 91608

and a corrected copy wil be sent to you.

Clas' sternum is set to explode Nov. 1 at 11:59:59. Be warned.

welcome back josie dan fan. pull up a chair. we're hanging around waiting for godot. or is it a new cd? i forget.

dr. mu,
mario puzo and coppolla shared screen credit on the entire godfather series, as i recall. i'm not sure about III, but who would want credit on that thing anyway?

clas,
those are some interesting quotes from the boys. not surprised they've been deeply disturbed. am surprised they talked about it.

IIII'MMMMM BBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!
David talked me into coming back, since he can be SO very persuasive...

I'm so sorry, "temperering" is Swedish for "set a temperament".

Ruby Baby / Razor Boy / Dr Mu – I have to agree that quality takes time. I think we can simply be grateful that Walt & Don are even back together and doing an album. The longer it takes, surely the better it can only be. If the guys really are doing the final mix, good luck to them. I just wonder what sort of sound they’ll have – no doubt it will have that necessary, quintessential Steely Dan sound, but they have evolved with each album, and this one has had plenty of time to evolve. One thing I treasure is that SD seem to not feel they have to follow the trends of the time with their song writing. Let’s face it, the candy fluff and incessantly repetitious beat mongers will be remembered by this year’s 12 year olds for a month at best. I trust the music Steely Dan are creating will be very memorable, very original and worth the arm and a leg I’d be willing to part for it.

Dr Mu (addendum) – “2 days in the valley” didn’t run very long here – about one week! – it should have done better. Great soundtrack and a good line-up.

Mitch – I heard that Otis bought all 50 million Kenny G albums.

Lew Chang - The video goes in the post tomorrow so you'll get it this week. Apologies for the delay. I was going to send it today, but too damn busy and I've picked up one of those mid-winter bugs. Feeling very underwhelmed.

Nerium Oleander - OK, I got it, helmut. I need more memory. And you! Now I got YOU! I suddenly realize why my brilliant, excellent analyse of the lyrics of Gaucho never made it to your homepage - I explained that the lyrics was 100% close to Beckers and Fagens personal lifes.

So, if Walter Becker in an interview in the Swedish newspaper Expressen (Journalist Måns Ivarsson)promoting his "11 Whacks..." says he was deep down for a while and he is glad he survived, I am supposed to look the other way and pretend that I never read that?

And same thing with Fagen, he's doing an interview with a Swedish journalist on a hotelroom in London, promoting his "Kamakiriad". He says that after "The Nightfly" he went into a deep depression that ended up in a psychosis. And that he still keep his analyst busy.

And more, Fagen says in Hoskyns "Waiting For The Sun";"We had a complex sort of relationship to drugs. The idea of pleasure for pleasure's sake was something we saw as good, but at the same time it was kind of a clichè. Walter got a little too deeply into it, but eventually pulled himself out of it. I never really had drugproblems as such, though I had plenty of other problems."

So a simple question Ole; how the hell can we in a serious way analyse the lyrics of Steely Dan if we don't think that they, in at least a couple of songs, are writing about their personal lifes?

MrLaPage! I thought you'd never ask! My Sternum Agony, as I prefer to call it, it is no "pain" as the ordinary man says when his chest hurts. This is an unique kind of hypocondric, selfish, undwarfed feeling of dying. And it centeres itself like a airballoon behind the Sternum. That's why I wake up at nights, yes even at daytime, screaming - My heart is running on empty! -There's air in the bloodsystem! -I'm finally going in to the big dark!!!

But after the New Orleans Dan/Jazzfest, it's much better. And cigs? For the moment one (1), late at night.

RubyBaby - you sweet California girl, I would do anything for you.

Ole Ander - shucks? Uhum.

KatyDaneFan - good.

Geena - was it you that flew over my head a while ago? Good luck!

Altamira! You're right, in Europe B is H-flat. And I've been sitting on my sofa (in my sofa?) for a week now and I was thinking about singing. I can't sing. I can't stay in tune, and my range is very narrow. BUT, when I'm singing along with someone, listening to a CD or playing the melody on the piano (BTW, "temperering" is the keyword when you tune the piano) my voice is pretty good, I catch the melody and I stay in tune. Why is that?

So, thanks for today.

Mitch: Not in the complimentary sense...my emotional involvement with politics has been lessened as the numbing of America strategy took its toll. Im afraid "We the people" let Clinton off the hook while we ruxhed to judgment before the Woodward and others book (s). Thus the least political figures running for Pres. John McCain and Bill Bradley would be my preference in 2000.

Ruby: Indeed...who else should we be really concerned about? Thanks.

Stranger: Haven't read those...The Godfather was one of the all-time great movies made from a marginally good book. Mario got rich - but kudos to Coppolla...Reminds me that Eastwood's best movie "Bridges of Madison County" was overlooked at Oscar time, but it was a cinema experience which was in the same league as Godfather and from such a dreadful book - amazing. It's one worth looking at again.

Do you have a favorite album or movie that the critics trashed or public ignored - a cult of one favorite??? for me - Movie: Dune - the director's cut. OK, it's not even in the same galaxy as the trilogy, but the long version is mesmerizing and visually stunning. I enjoy challenging plots anyway...gotta love those worms!

Dr. Mu: nice post, but are you serious about Clinton being inspirational ? Lets call a spade a spade Congress saved Clinton and ran Nixon out of town. BTW what is the total record sales of Steely Dan. Just watched a Capitol 4th on PBS AND THEY SAID Kenny G SOLD 50 million copies?

A Very Happy Fourth of July to all Guestbook posters----may we use our freedom wisely, especially our freedom of speech *grin*

Watching Dionne Warwick sing (I think) every song she's ever recorded, on an extremely hot night in Philadelphia; she and everyone in the band are wringing wet, but holding up very well!
I had forgotten just how Many songs Dionne sang. I'm wondering how old she is by now, she must be up there.

O Michael: Yes, Countdown to Ecstasy, you've got it.

El Supremo: Just a matter of time, ILYM!

Just Katy :)

note passing of Mario Puzo
his 'godfather' will be lasting american folklore. he wrote 2 very good novels before that which were really good and didn't make him any money. 'the dark arena' and 'the fortunate pilgrim.' i especially recommend 'the dark arena.'

If this is old news,please forgive. Just noticed that Modern Drummer included Steve Gadd in their 25 all time best drum solos list for Aja. I agree. Wish Bernard Purdie could have gotten one too. Also, heard SD (plus) guitarist Larry Carlton in concert in Phoenix recently. Mind blowing show. My guitarist son said he had an out-of-the-body experience. Check Pollstar to see if he will be near you and don't miss it. Also, will be seeing Michael McDonald on 7/27. Tickets are steep ($47) but small venue. Should be awesome.

GrrlyFred: Damn, I hate when I spoil someone's fun.

Dr.Mu: I also am a grateful American. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm not so much concerned for myself anymore as for my children and their children and their children after them. Do you think I'm being foolish?

I'm going to the fireworks at Shaver Lake anyway. I love those.

Hello to Ole! Did you know there's a book out called White Oleander? Have you read it? Is it any good? PS - I love reading your posts. I bottom-line it by saying, " the woman's got soul."

rb

Today, I pause to give thanks that I'm not uprooting potatoes like truffles and ducking English rubber bullets just south of the Northern Ireland border or stomping grapes in the mountains of Sicily among the ancient Grecian ruins while a Don confiscated half my paltry wages (OK, maybe that wouldn't be half bad) - for all the opportunities and freedoms we have here. Maybe Ole is right and we are heading for less political times. That would be nice as it remains a religious-type thing for many. I guess I like to talk about it and character as much as anyone, but am finally, as the gray flecks start to appear, have learned to somewhat dissociate personal worth from it. Pres. Clinton is an odd sense has been an inspiration as he has demonstrated an uncanny ability to adhere and castoff views as easily as a slolom skier brushes off the slalom flagpoles. His political acumen and savvy over the past year have amazed even me. Are we better for it? I doubt it, but at least it likely signals the end of PC - a corollary for pol boomers since the 60s.

It's ironic and sad that people under the same political umbrella as civil rights activists developed a subversive (counter) culture that has eaten itself. Artistic freedom and ingenuity are important but at the price of blank canvasses and cross-sections of cows in formaldehyde being hailed as cutting edge art?...and artists who care about their finished product from a professional and artistic level are scoffed as dull or corporate or ignored. If I hear or read one more "musician" say something akin to "Yeah, I wrote that hit in 5 min with the headphones on listening to another recording while getting a BJ from the audio intern. I thought the lyrics were a joke, but my buddy said 'Dude, that's genius!' I'm gonna puke. If an album is 40 min or more (today) which is as long or longer thatn most symphonies, we're asking our artists to come up with what should be the quality of a recorded symphony with lyrics and vocal performances every year or so. That's fine if you're Mozart, but how many Mozarts are there?... to paraphrase Tom Lehrer "It's humbling to think...When Mozart was Donald and Walter's age...he had been dead 17 years." It took Beethoven 10 years to complete one of his symphonies. The point is that fine art like wine can't be hurried. At least the stuff that will be played, revered, and studied long after Baby Boomers, Madonna, Andy Warhol, Cher, N'Synch are distant memories, including works like Katy Lied, Aja, The Nightfly, etc.

That is all...Happy 4th!

P.S. Fezo, I'm far from a scoundrel...

Fezo, this girls got her hand over her heavy heart far from home, & lemme be the first to tell you I wouldn't mind being home for mom's annual bbq...today especially oggi, to celebrate our country's birthday...Lord only knows how we've lived to be this old....On the upside, I'm teaching in Italia and right in the heart of the Umbria Jazz Fest...any advice for your fellow compatriot on acts not to miss? Would appreciate your advice.

I saw Denny Dias (DIE-as) friday night. One of his songs sounds like a Donald tune strained through 5th dimension and Manhattan Transfer. At least by this band. Dinky was in rare form - happy about his new Fleetwood release.

KL: So how can you have artifact in the time domain and then claim a more "real time" and more realistic sound??? In my work if I have artifact even in the "right" direction, I throw it out!!

thought for today, especially today . . .

patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings

Dr. Mu

Once again you have answered your question and reinforced my observations in your first paragraph. I'm glad to see you're not immediately correcting your first post with a follow up as has been your habit. Now all I need is for Edd to confirm my argument that vinyl and CD are totally different sound carriers with unique attributes. But then monkeys might fly out of my butt...

...hey, that would be a cool firework!

KV

MCP--forgot--I got Zazu not long ago, but damned if I can remember where.... Someplace easy, a British outlet I found out about in the Digest. If you search there, you'll find it.

I absolutely refuse to get involved in any of these discussions about the Fall of '00. I'd much rather talk about "The Fall of '92" and the respective increasing fervor around The New One. Political discussions here are usually pointless and irritating. I guess I'll resort to my usual cynical sneering, throwing shoes at the TV, and screaming into pillows.

Hey grrlfred & Rube, anyway.

MrLa--Funny you should mention him. I just read him for the first time--a story in the New Yorker--it was, well, a guy thing. And decided last week that my lake read will be "Infinite Jest." I'll get back to you.

MCP--I think they were occupied with a few other things during those decades.

Alta--I think "Fall of '92" is not antiwoman, any more than, say, "Don't Take Me Alive" is an endorsement of mass murderers or "Everything You Did" of domestic abuse. It's just another example of the Dan's incredible ability to get inside a particular type of person and open them to view, in this case a spoiled, self-absorbed yuppie who is a jerk AND a Democrat. BTW, I remember that "poll" from awhile back, and it has not decreased in stupidity with time. There was someone posting back then who purported to be a lesbian, but who was apparently male. Go figure. I haven't seen mention of any other out lesbians, but you & I know why that is.

Happy loud noises to all. Hope tomorrow is cathartic, and not just for Peter.

just when the fun begins, Ruby makes me think. damn, i hate that.

the deficit for instance... did y'all know.. pardon my naivete,, but i did not... that all of the surplus money that comes into social security, by law has to be diverted to Treasury Bonds? isn't this illegal? what the fuck, man... what a sham... so, the supposed budget 'surplus' is from social security... ??

and did you know too... sure ya did...
that there is absolutely NO work, testing even STARTED toward strategic defense missile..invasion?
nor anything being done toward some cosmic catastrophe?

I guess this just doesn't play well to the Constituency, eh? especially here in the South.

Just lemme have my weapons at home where they belong.

I dunno... I think Al Gore might actually be the one candidate with enough cajones to venture out beyond the familiar appropriations committees and think about the world, and not just do politics as usual... but he seems to have a pretty good grasp on his woody self and the strokes it takes to make something happen.

Aly/North? Now... that would be an interesting ticket..

now that probably would play well in the South. somethin to be said for illiteracy, maybe.

Clas: Many thanks for the great music!! I thought it was going to be totally instrumental at first, but then the rather haunting voice of DF chimes in, "Cold. Daring. No. Flies on me..." I'm getting ready to put on disc 2.

I was just wondering yesterday where I put your address. Now I have it again! Expect something, but I don't know what yet!

RazorBoy: We'll probably never know why they're taking so long. But as I was scrubbing my kitchen earlier this week (don't try to picture that, please) I had the tiny tv on and I saw that Bad Company is back together. It was pathetic. They have no new material. They did the same old stuff as before. Of course, they are not the same as before - you know a bit grayer, balder, wrinklier, paunchy, etc. Now if they had some new stuff that reflects who they've become and threw in a golden oldie from time to time, it wouldn't be so bad. They didn't even take one of their old hits and make some changes (a la Reelin').
The bottom line is this: I'm glad DF and WB have taken their sweet time in favor of quality. I'm betting they won't end up as pathetic old grampas trying to re-create what used to be.

As for the 4th, I'm not in a celebrating mood this year. I'm in a reflective mood. I think it has something to do with the actual state of our Union. While some will be whoopin it up, throwing parties and doing the fireworks thing, I will be waging war. You've heard the saying, "Get down on your knees and fight like a man" haven't you?

rb

Next order of business: Nuke Canada!

Amazing - I'm driving around this morning, lamenting to myself on how it's been since I've been able to log into the GB - And how bummed out I felt that there seemed to be no news on the much anticipated release. The first two entries I read were from GBers mystified about the same issues as myself. But as I keep telling myself, genius cannot be rushed, we'll undoubtedly savour the new release (?) and the critics will probably slam it. We just want a sign that it's coming soon. But they are very much an enigma and will get it to us when feel like it.

Happy 4th of July my American friends

Razor

big meth fan - I did buy Imaginary Day in '97 and get a lot from it, but it's now been two years since PMG did anything. We better not be heading for a replay of the Steely Dan delay. Nineteen years...Fagan once said to respect his seven second delay, but nineteen years?

FANOFDAN - Thank you for your (and your family's) terrific hospitality. Look forward to next time. I'm very keen about those manuscripts. I'll be in touch.

...on Fall of '92 - the nice version I was thinkin' about was the demo found on the Broberg site...much preferred over the live version...shouldn't post after midnight.

King Longhorn: How could the addition of mono give a recording depth?? Wouldn't it compress the sound? or could it create warmth accidentally through a phase delay? This could result in better channel separation on the digital recordings.

Altamira: Here's a site which has soundbites of rare Dan recordings: http://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/sd.html

There's a couple of prime 11 TOW outtakes: "Lies I Can Believe" and "Medical Science." The Fall of '92 version with Bob Shepard I hadn't heard and the production is absolutely luscious. Still not that crazy 'bout the tune itself. I have a this feeling that the new one may have songs with such a sound. There's also a spare demo of a Gaucho outtake I hadn't heard: "Talkin' About My Home." Song's OK - great chord slut progressions, though...and there's the incomparable Can't Write Home About You, Kulee Baba, and Second Arrangement. This site has 2 soundbites I haven't heard of 2ndA. The first is the most common version with the mechanized drum of another world. The last is Donald on the piano with foot a tappin'...nice. The middle is the most intriguing - the beginning of the song with it sound like Jeff Porcaro on the drums and keys and bass - really sounds great. Now I'm wondering if soundbite 1 is from the 1st attempt and soundbite 2 from the second attempt after the acidental erasure or the otherway around or is the second soundbite a later version of the 1st attempt?? The first Dan single: Dallas and Sail the Waterway are highlighted along with the '74 tour warhorse "All too Mobile Home."

If you have AiA, listen to Walter's voice on Book of Liars - great performance. It's easier for him to get in synch live...maybe the best recording on the CD.

Katy: I'll get back to you...that's what I get for doing the lit. review last.

I want to announce my candidacy for President. Every time the experts take a pole, you can be sure I gave it to them. I'm gonna give Bush a pole like he's never known. He may be rolling in cash now, but I've got the Porn industry behind me 200% Now I seek your vote- and a running mate. Don't worry, you'll have fun- but you may want to keep a towel with you at all times. I am running on the Libertarian ticket. Meanwhile, I have to leave for a 4th of July show I'm putting on at the Rose Bowl. Cum and enjoy the show in the sky!!!!

Vote Pete "don't call me Ollie" North in 2000!!!!

Edd: The "C" track anamoly has nothing to do with reversing polarities or mis-wiring your speakers. It is a physical tracking phenomenon exclusive to a stylus and vinyl.

The "C" track is at the bottom of the groove where seperation between the A & B channels diminishes into an ambient mono sub-channel that cannot be accessed from the original analog source material. It is an error that, when corrected with a light, elliptical stylus, supplys depth and breadth to the orginal material.

I'm working from memory here, but I know I've read several articles explaining the process. Most recently, Paul McCartney mentioned the "C" channel when defending his rationale for pressing 25,000 vinyl copies of "Flaming Pie".

I know you're on top of this, Edd, and I'm only relating what I've heard as fact. I'll research it more after I blow-up a bunch of stuff over the weekend.

Happy Independence,

KV

Q - Oooh, those some like some exciting acetates!

Hey, many thanks to all of you who have been so friendly toward gay and lesbian folk and have helped make this GB a more tolerant place. You all are a great bunch of people.

Michael Packard - Regarding Becker and Fagen not producing an album in so long - I don't necessarily think that they're being reclusive, lazy or so rich they don't have to bother any more. I can sort of understand where they're coming from, in a way, since I have some personal experience of wanting to produce something but just not doing it. I used to be a professional artist; I did a lot of commissioned work and was exhibited in a gallery. I sold everything I painted, then I just stopped painting. For the last six years, I keep telling people I'm going to start painting again, and I never do. I miss painting, I'd love to do it again, but it just keeps falling by the wayside. Also, in February, I quit my full-time job to start a home desktop publishing business specializing in longer documents for non-profit organizations. My only client is my former employer because I haven't developed any marketing material or placed any ads yet. I talk non-stop to everyone, including the folks I'm doing temp work for, about my business, I read business books all the time, and I don't do a damned thing to get the business up and running. I know I'm ranting here, but as a person with some skills who ought to be out doing something productive with them, but just sits at home on her lazy ass writing e-mail and hating herself for her lack of initiative, I can understand about needing to get something done and not doing it. Many creative people who are responsible for the use of their own time fall into this pit, and it's not a pleasant place to be. I'm glad that the New One is in the mixing phase now, but I'd be a hypocrite if I were to fault Fagen and Becker for taking so long in getting to this point. (BTW, you can't email Walt and Don right now anyway; I tried last night and the email feature on their website isn't working; I suppose it's their version of holding all calls until they're done with the mixing.)

Regarding the throwing the vinyl records just to hear them break - this reminds me of something I read in the Washington City Paper (our alternative weekly) today about an old blues musician (I think I'll drop by the folk festival on the mall on Sunday to hear him play) whose brothers took most of their old 78s and tacked them up to trees so they could use them for target practice. The City Paper ran an article a while back about a world-class collector of old blues 78s (the article was called "Party Like It's 1929") who would probably cry upon reading about people using those records for target practice. Destroying records is truly a bad thing if they have historical value; it may destroy forever a particular recording where only a few copies exist and thereby deplete the body of recorded sound.

Sick of it All - Thanks for the compliments. Yes, those idiots do make the world a less pleasant place.

The Stranger - Yes, you are right; this is not a man who would attract most women. Definitely not the right attitude.

Slinging Pussy - Are most female Dan fans lesbians? Then why I am I apparently the only lesbian on this list? Anyway, if you know any lesbian Dan fans who live in the Baltimore/Washington area, please give them my email adress; I would like to hear from them. However, I do recall that Harry Connick Jr. was quite popular among lesbians, whatever became of him? I haven't heard anything about him lately and I miss him. BTW, how do you define "bull dyke"? I'm curious because I'm quite masculine looking (largely because of my body type, but maybe also due to the short hair, something that many straight women have also) but have been told over and over again by lesbians that I'm not "butch" - I think it's my personality; I'm curmudgeonly, not gruff. So would I make your cut as "bull dyke" or not?

Mr. Chow - Thanks for the offer about the baby. Actually, the empty cans of Fancy Feast (I buy it for my twelve-year-old; it's all she'll eat) pile up in my kitchen because I live in an efficiency on the ninth floor of a high-rise apartment building; I did take Nyja out for walks (using a harness and leash) until she had her kittens.

Dias - Yes, maybe I was being too sensitive. I don't find Josie objectionable at all; I'm always pleased when women are being appreciated for whatever reason. By the way, I decided to check out Fall of '92 for myself, so I went to that great website with all those sound files (www.broberg.pp.se/sd_sound.htm) and listened to it. You are right, it is a lovely song and hearing it is quite different from just reading the lyrics. I was, honestly, just blown away by Becker's singing. I'd heard some sound clips of his singing before, but nothing that did him justice. He has a lovely voice, with some nice vibrato, and good, clear diction (not quite as snappy as Fagen's, but I could still understand all the words), but most importantly, his interpretation of the lyrics is full of passion - he really makes the words come alive. I found myself looking forward to hearing him sing the lead vocals on some tracks on the New One (I seem to recall reading somewhere that he was going to do that), and considering how much I love Fagen's singing, for me to want to hear Becker singing instead of Fagen shows that I have made a big leap. I guess I'm a convert! When I finish this post, I'm going to sign on to CD Now and order 11TOW because I want to hear more from Becker - he is good! I was a bit unhappy, though, with his mentioning the name of my beloved home town five times, after all, we didn't vote for Reagan or Bush, we're 98% Democrat - those fools just lived here. But I liked the way he sang it; damn, he's good.

The Stranger - I've heard some great things about Leonard Cohen, but I just haven't heard much of anything of his that I like, unfortunately. When I was on vacation in Canada last year, I was watching the cable comedy channel in my hotel room, and someone had a parody commercial for Cohen - it was for a collection called "Music to Commit Suicide by on a Cold Night in March" and it was dreary indeed. But I know that he writes good songs and his song on the Jennifer Warnes CD that I have is quite intriguing, so I will keep an open mind about his music. Damn, those gun-loving Republicans are scary. I was looking in the City Paper tonight and found out that Diana Krall and Tony Bennett are performing at Wolf Trap on August 1. I'll call Protix tomorrow and find out if I can get a ticket. I think there's a bus that goes out there.

Sorry for double post - new acronym for that is "SFDP"

But, speaking of acetates.......

Just scored some acetates today and realized that an unreleased
version of Century's End is on one!(of course it will stay unreleased !)

Also got Century (edit)

Century

Shanghai Confidential & edit

aah, the there's nothing like the sweet smell of acetates......

Q

SP....most males who taunt and tease those who are different in any way are:

A) tiny brained
B) a 12 year old boy
C) penile challenged
D) wishing they were female

Care to share any of that with us pussy boy?

Micheal Packard, I don't really get it!
..but then I know I've been bad boy

Still pulling out of the dive we discussed- but still alive and kicking - as you are I'm GLAD to see !

I'll be in touch - jsut don't hold your breath(only because of t the surgery !!!)

Q

Mike I don't really get it!
..but then I know I've been bad boy

Still pulling out of the dive we discussed- but still alive and kicking - as you are I'm GLAD to see !

I'll be in touch - jsut don't hold your breath(only because of t the surgery !!!)

Q

Howdy,DanFanGangLand!

Interesting how those of us posting on this 'bulletin board' come here to find out, cuss and discuss Walter and Donald's 'choice' of a band name, which is a 'sex-toy'; a.k.a. 'dildo', and ostracize individuals, for their particular individual 'choice' when it comes to their personal sexual preferences.

For me, as I have previously indicated, I have personally never had a homosexual experience, never desired one, never wanted one. But, since I used to be a stage and TV actor, many of those people I worked with had their own desires. My only request to 'them' was, "I don't care what you do personally, as long as it does not infringe upon my right to do what I want to do (with regard to sexual preferences).

Then, the "Newbie Police" will degrade people here 'in love', such as "KatyDanFan" and "El Supremo" (friends of mine).

Apparently, what most of you need to find (maybe you already hopefully have found true love----whatever your individual 'choice' might be.

Polls of female Steely Dan fans being primarily homosexual is quite humorous, as I think if you truly believe in unscientific polls of DanFans, insults your intelligence. And I do know, most of you are highly educated. I don't think for a moment that 'Altamira' gives a hoot about what you think about her preferences.

Do we have to look towards the extreme right-wing conservatism of the so-called "Moral Majority' to dictate the Republican Party platform AGAIN with issues regarding abortion, gay rights, and so on?

Okay, I just removed the Led Zeppelin remastered "Stairway to Heaven" because when you 'play-it-backwards----it has 'Satanic references'----where is Tipper Gore tonight, when we needed her. Just ask the Secret Service!

It seems quite obvious to me the Republican ticket will be George W. Bush and Elizabeth Dole. Well, since Robert takes Viagra, those of you with stock in Pfizer should welcome her as a Vice-Presidential candidate. Mrs. Dole is definitely "sqeaky clean", so a good choice, as Governor Bush freely admits he used to have a 'drinking problem'.

To be apathetic, not vote, not listen to Steely Dan's music, to not email Walt and Don----indicating you are pissed at them for being such recluse (perhaps, lazy---or just rich enough to not care, anymore) musicians for almost 20 years for doing nothing about a studio release is interesting.

Okay, maybe since I just inserted #3 from "Citizen" starting with "Your Gold Teeth II", I might 'mellow out'.

Why can't we (DanFans) have, at the VERY LEAST, a 'mutual respect' for one another, and our lifestyles, our opinions?

Frankly, I am amazed the resident SD 'audiophiles' didn't elaborate on me throwing and breaking literally hundreds of vinyl records when I was younger---'just-to-hear-them-break' a couple of blocks away, on the 'concrete highway'?

Darn it, now "Any World That I'm Welcome To. . ." is playing on this CD. By-the-way, audiophiles, my high-tech puter don't have a turntable to play my acetates (get that one, 'Q'?)

In closing, look in the mirror---are you happy with what you see? Then, don't criticize others for being 'different', because 'DanFans' are definitely 'different' from any other people I have ever met. Probably always will be. Remember, "I don't care what you do, as long as it does not infringe upon my right to do what I want to do"-----my standard statement.

From "Any World". . .I can see your hand reaching out through a shining daydream----where the days and nights are not the same, captured happy in a picture in a picture frame, honey I will be there. . ."----lyrics don't mention anything about sexual preference.

Do any of you remember a West Coast band called "Fever Tree" from the very early 70's?

KatyDanFan********

Saludos!

Michael
; )

Michael C. Packard - contact me re: Zazu...

Quartet stinks - pmg statred to lose it in 95

slinging pussy:

Get your panties out from between your ass crack and stop whining!

Did some woman turn you down and say that you had a small weenie, is that why you have to pick on lesbians? Do you also pick on other minorities or people of diverse religions because you're so perfect? Stop picking your nose for a moment, take a bath and go out and find yourself a girlfriend or boyfriend to keep you entertained and sexually satisfied because you need something.

Sometimes it's nice just to check in and be reassured that some things remain the same.

The Open Question: What did you run out and buy with your first MacArthur Grant?

Clas: Still having sternum pains? It could be worse. I quit in December. Run each morning now. Too hard to run and smoke.

oleander: Happy 4th. How is God's Country? Have you read any David Foster Wallace? If so, any thoughts?

Katy Lloyd/Katy_Lied: Postmodernism, you say? Interesting. Dabble in deconstructionism? Jameson? Fish? Coover? Thoughts on Wallace?

Smiles, everyone. Smiles.

MrLP

slinging pussy: Leave Altimera alone! Who really gives a shit, other than those that may be romantically interested, if she's a lesbian? Why does this bother men so much? Is it that you are that prolific in your sexual activities that you've run out of women to sleep with, and you blame lesbians for not making themselves available to you? I doubt it. What seems more likely is that you're a cruel, mean-spirited, dumb-shit frat-boy who feels like he has to make fun of things that he can't comprehend. Altimera is a nice, and very intelligent PERSON, and doesn't deserve to be villified or picked on because of her sexual orientation. If you have a problem with the contents of her posts, then take a contrary stance and present your argument, but this way is only showing your stupidity and cowardice.

With idiots like you roaming the world, it's no wonder that there aren't more lesbians in the world.

slinging pussy,
you are a well-known type. everybody knows about the losers who can't get anywhere with women who immediately start yelling 'lesbian' when they fail to connect or don't even have the guts to try. you people also have this strange malevolence toward lesbians, as though they are robbing you of something. they aren't. you would lose in any case. in fact, the more intensely a woman desires a good man the less chance you've got. so please take notice that you are not unique. you're a boring species of asshole everyone routinely encounters.

SP: "Slipped IT to her sideways"

SP - Aren't you supposed to be at daycare?

Altimira....It's been noted here often that the majority of female Steely Dan fans are lesbians. I never really could figure this out. Maybe you could give us all a first hand account on why this is. I went back to an old guestbook post and these were the results of the survey...

Poll taken in 1993
Steely Dan Fans:
Male fans: 80%
Female Fans: 20%

* Note that out of the 20% female SD fans, 12% are lesbian of which 8% are bull dykes.

** It's also noted that Rosie Vela makes up for 99% of those that are lesbian.

I always thought the name of the band could have something to do with this.

"I sliped into her sideways on the beach in Malibu"

David in the Florida Room – Thank you for adding “American Garage” to the list of Pat Metheny required listening. I should have included more early stuff. May I take this opportunity to add the self titled album from ’78 to the list as well. “San Lorenzo” is a beautiful creation.

Sociable Hermit – I’m on my way to grab some more Michael Brecker! Thanks for the tips. Wes Montgomery’s stuff is monumental. Joe Pass is another for a rainy day.

biggest metheny fan – I really want to buy “Quartet” but get to the fourth track and beyond and put it back. This has happened twice.

The Stranger – You’re most welcome. That is one smooth album.

Altamira – I’d take one of your babies if it were a tad more practical. Outside your front door must look like that scene from “Barefoot in the Park” – all empty cat food tins.

King Vinyl – That album title can be a tongue twister any time of day. I write this stuff very late at night. AFWSFWF has the tracks that were used in the film “Fandango”. “September Fifteenth” & “Its For You” – just sweet music.

Michael C.P – sorry but I traded my Zazu already. I still have the single to “Magic Smile” but want to keep it. Good hunting.

Jeez - if people are going to be gender sensitive about steely dan - why are they fans at all? Do you know what Josie is about - for one instance?

Even though the lyrics to 92 may seem sexist at first glance, Walter just does a great job of capturing a guy that is just down on his luck and lashing out at anyone and everything. setting against the gorgeous background music is brilliant. Of course, all of us not just those down on their luck should lash out against republicans - the leaders of our ultimate demise. And he gets away from the drug lyrics that he seems to be stuck on lately.

2. There are the live versions of 92, however a studio version exists on an ultra rare (even some of your more major sd fans are reported not to have this disc.) promo cd with BOL and HUC. It also appears on Colleen, apparently.

I wonder if the tour for two freaks is going to be delayed. I heard that donald is going to appearing in a touring version of "Oklahoma"

Your humble reporter,

McSwaine

"The primary data on vinyl NOT captured on CD is the "C" track between the left and right channels. It is where all the "room" ambience is stored and is particularly noticeable in classical recordings."

I don't believe this and would appreciate any reference that supports it.

There is a difference signal (L-R) that can be extracted from almost any stereo recording using the well known Hafler circuit. Is that what you're referring to? You can pull that out of a CD as easily as from vinyl.

KDF: Better get your party shoes on right now because it is tonight. I wish I could go!!!!!!!!!

Press Release
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>Dinky Dawson Live Productions/ Musicians Development Institute with Cringe Productions Present On Friday July 2nd 7pm-11pm
Live at "The Paradise Club" Boston
969 Com Av, Boston
Music from; "Life on the Road" on "Billboard Books"
"The Dinky Who?" Series on "Rykodisc" First release
"Fleetwood Mac Shrine 69"
"Envision" a "Composers Unlimited" CD release
Playing for the Ten Year Reunion of "The Channel Club" Musicians, staff andregulars.
"Dinkysworld Live" featuring Special Guests
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>Denny Dias (guitar Steely Dan)
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>Joe (Count) Viglione (Visual Radio)
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>John Morelli (drums Blue Angel) Andy Bergsten (bass Rivermore) Bob Yen Jr.
>(guitar/producer M.D.I) Kevin Murphy (guitar musical director M.D.I) ED
>McMenimon (guitar M.D.I) Red Ferrari (keyboards M.D.I) Hollywood Hayward
>(sax Hollywood Horns) Rick Kinder (vocal Cheap Voova) Jeannie Tyler (vocal
>Freddie and the Maybelines) and the first Boston appearance of Lisa Jason (lead vocals)
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>Performing the music of Fleetwood Mac (blues & pop), Steely Dan, Denny Dias,
>Lou Reed, Frank Zappa, Bob Yen Jr., Lisa Jason and Joan Randall
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>Dinkysworld Live
>Song List not necessarily in order played
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>Tape 1 side A: Bodhsattva
>Boston Rag
>Instrumental introduction to next song
>Reeling In The Years
>Brooklyn Owns The Charmer Under Me
>King Of The World
>Ricky Don't Loose That Number
>Pretzel Logic
>So Unreal
>Angelique
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>Tape 1 side B: The Circles Of L-5
>Same Old Thing
>Land-Slide
>Say You Love Me
>Over My Head
>Rhiannon
>Dreams
>Songbird
>Black Magic Woman
>Oh Well
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>Tape 2 side A: Rolling Man
>Before The Beginning
>Montana
>Envision
>I Dream Of You
>Walking
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>Tape 2 side B: Moonbeams
>Sweet Jane (Lenox version)
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>Not on tape Casper
>Walk On The Wild Side
>Money Changes Everything
>Trouble Every Day (this song not at this time)
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>Encore : My Generation
> FM
>Any World that I'm welcome too
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Howdy, DanFanGangLand!

Interesting discussion about vinyl as compared with CD's. Really the only thing I can recall from my youth is when we didn't like an album---we would literally toss it---similiar and a forerunner to the Frisbee----they would really fly good, and we would listen for the 'crash' of the breakage a couple of blocks away----Wow! Now that was a thrill.

However, I doubt CD's will ever 'fly' and 'break' as good as both the 33 1/3 and 45 rpm's dis!

Will trade a live soundboard Pat Metheny set recorded in 1984 in Kansas City, Missouri, for someone who has Rosie Vela's "Zazu", please advise.

KatyDanFan, is that 'countdown' referring to the Steely Dan song, "Countdown to Ecstasy"?? HSRD

Saludos!

Michael
; )

Leonard Cohen's "The Future" is as good as any album recorded in the past 10 years. But don't take my word for it. I hear it will become available again in late November...

Christmas in July,

SEMB

altamira,
yeah, i've got the jennifer warnes album in which she does all leonard cohen stuff. very nice. will try for some cdnow samples of bobby blue bland.

the republicans in our calif. legislature have been fighting like banshees to protect the right of citizens to buy as many handguns as they want. democrats trying to limit handgun purchases to one a month. almost all purchasers of large quantities of handguns are reselling them to felons, lunatics, juveniles, etc. in straw deals. jesus.

diana krall does 'popsicle toes' way better than michael franks.

Big Fan - I recall having seen a writing credit for T. Meher for Century's End somewhere, although not on the Gold liner notes, but I've noticed a few other omissions on those notes, so leaving out T. Meher probably doesn't mean anything.

BTW, a kind person directed me toward a website where I found the version of FM with the guitar at the end instead of the saxophone, so I'm happy now.

Mr. Chow. That Metheny album is "As Falls Wichita so Falls Wichita Falls". BTW, "American Garage" is always close at hand here at the Vinyl house. One of Beck's best.

Dr. Mu: Your home audio experiment was impressive. I have tons of wood in my listening area which may explain why vinyl sounds so darn rich compared to CDs. Also, a Harmon-Kardon 24 band equalizer doesn't hurt either.

Altamira: The primary data on vinyl NOT captured on CD is the "C" track between the left and right channels. It is where all the "room" ambience is stored and is particularly noticeable in classical recordings.

Light Fuse & Get Away,

KV

Oleander - Oh, silly me, these kittens must be rotting my brain. Yes, I did check out the official Dan website yesterday, and I did see the new info. I'm just being hypervigilant like my new mommy kiity with her babies and hissing before I have good reason. I'll calm down soon, I promise. And I am pleased about the favorable news about the New One. (Of course, right now I have my own three new ones to worry about, but they'll be off in their new homes before the real New One comes out, so I can listen to it in peace.)

BigFan: If you come back in before the weekend, please tell me exactly where and when Denny Dias will be in Boston this weekend, would you? Thanks :)

Dr. Mu: Could you send me the basic level book on the differences of how audio recordings are done with different mediums so I can understand more of what you all are talking about?? *grin* This all sounds a little like Greek to me!

RoseDarling: If you're the one who's here, then you're the one I'm welcoming! You're taking a three week vacation in Albuquerque? Or did you move there?

El Supremo: Countdown...ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Dazed: "re: the new one's release date: bet on the Nov. release there is no way in hell F/B would even let the hint of information unless they absolutely finished." IMHO you are correct. These guys have kept secrets the White House and Ken Starr never could have

One last tech note - get ready to scroll!
KV: I just couldn't wait for the challenge (it's not in my personality), so a home mid-range challenge was performed with the 1999 re re-master of Prezel Logic on the CD and the vinyl version on the turntable simultaneously. A flick of the thmb and forefinger allowed for direct comparison through the mid-end Yamaha receiver and Boston Acousitics speaker. An objective report is faithfully submitted. You'll have to rely on my modest prose skills as I couldn't paste the Bode plots onto this site (federal statutes).

CD 1. Superior performance vs. vinyl:
a) brighter high-frequencies with more prominent cymbals
b) less muddy bass
c) greater dynamic range
d) flatter frequency response (especially noticible at high and low frequencies)
e) higher signal/noise rations largely reflective of little backround hum, hiss, etc.

2. Inferior performance vs. vinyl
a) a small but significantly less resonance and harmonics (as Altamira might suggest - taking some of the concert hall out of the music)...especially noticible at the mid-range, say Danald's vocals. Results in a slighly 2 dimensional sound.
b) while the high end is very clear - there is some harshness from time to time.

Conclusion: CDs offer musch cleaner and more dynamic sound which can be a little flat.

Mechanisms: Consistent with our hypotheses, CDs offer superior transduction and signal processing. The problem is that there simply is not enough data in the medium (this is not dependent on compression/decompression -Oy, I'm getting the bends) - CDs were developed at a time where data storage space was still a premium. It was worse years before that...the Y2K deal? COBOL programmers with compassion and vision wnated to save precious storage space on programs so they left the first 2 digits off of calendar years .

Solution: Wait for Steve Jobs and the gang to finish developing a super-DVD type read/write system which can be placed into a video player, audio player, or computer (all interfaced with IEEE1394)...and of course my employer finally providing me with the hefty pay raise I deserve.

Herm: Kenny Burrell-'Chitlins Con Carne'-best song ever!guitar, sax bongos...what else do ya need!

The premature 4th of July ejaculations have begun in my neighborhood.

Alta--um, "From ODP" is actually from the Official Dan Page, which might be why it sounds like Mr. Becker. You might check it out.

Mu--Well, burst my bubble. I prefer to visualize my ripening process more as the sun-drenched shades of fall than as the screams of dying melanocytes with finite lifespans like "Blade Runner" androids.

Edd--That is absolutely fascinating. No, really. You know my ear; I had no idea there were so many nuances between the cracks of a 12-tone scale. And versatile mathematicians make me swoony. As it happens, here's a guy who's also doing interesting things with tones & tuning: http://www.seriouscomposer.com (look under PhiMusic tunings)

YGK--Is that all you have to say for yourself after all this time?

Rose II--I think Katy is mistaking you for a previous Rose Darling, who spent a lot of time here not long ago. Got any other favorite aliases?

dragon--what up, girlfriend?

Dazed: Took a few minutes to look at my singles - I have two that have Big Noise, New York on them - The US single of Snowbound (2 Tracks; edit and BN, NY) This CD came out in 93. BN, BC just says live non-album track. There was a cassette issued of this single also - one song on each side.

The other is the Euro release of Trans-Island Skyway (3 Tracks, edit, BN, BC and Home At Last (live)) The one with the tomato on the front. BN, NY staes "previously unreleased" Home At Last was recorded live at the Beacon Theater from the NY Rock & Soul Review shows and was not included on that album - and also states "previously unreleased" This CD also came out in 1993.

I have edit versions of Century's End on CD - On the little 3" job from Europe and the promo copy from the movie, both from 1988 - they are 4:19 long compared to 5:31 on the 1991 remixed version on Gold. The Euro single has T. Meher as co writer although none of the other versions state this?

I have enjoyed all the comments about Pat Metheny and I will buy one of his CDs soon. However, I have a recommendation of my own. I went to my local little corner store tonight and asked the clerk what music he was playing, since I really liked it. He said that it was Bobby Blue Bland, and popped the CD out of the stereo and handed it to me and told me to keep it for a few days so I could really get to know the music (I've been shopping there for a long time, so he knows me well). I've been playing the CD, Memphis Monday Morning (1998) and I just love it. It sounds, for the most part, somewhat like NYR&SR, and Bland's singing is quite pleasant, with rich vibrato and excellent diction (you know I like that), along with some hog snorts, which are kind of fun. But I was especially taken by the title cut, which sounds, no kidding, just like a Dan song. The harmonies and the horn charts are remarkably like some slower SD songs (especially Deacon Blues) and some of Fagen's songs (especially True Companion, just the harmonies, not the instrumentation). I've played it twice now and it definitely sounds quite familiar. The rest of the CD is great, too; I just wish the liner notes listed the musicians. Of course, I know that SD and Fagen in particular have been influenced by the blues, but I hadn't expected a blues CD to sound this much like SD. Apparently F & B have really absorbed the influence of their predecessors. The recording quality is funny, though, there are a lot of skips and bad spots, but perhaps the disc has been damaged. I washed it gently to remove any dirt, but that didn't help. I held it up to the light and I could see right through it - maybe our CD experts could shed some light on the implications of this?

The Stranger - I am becoming quite intrigued by your writings about Diana Krall. I am especially happy to learn of a good female musician, since so much of the music discussed here is performed by males. I'm enjoying the Jennifer Warnes CD, but I would certainly like to hear more music by women. And thank you for your comments on politics; the situation definitey sounds dire. The way the whole political system is set up seems to discourage the most competent people from running for office; it's truly sad.

ODP - You actually do write like Becker; you have mastered the style he uses when he drops his cranky persona and writes more honestly; is it real? I don't know, Becker is rumored to drop in here occasionally, and this sounds more authentic than that dot person who was pretending to be Becker.

Slinging pussy - You know, I've read some great things about Fall of '92, but the lyrics still seem a bit harsh. I just don't like texts that are unfriendly toward women.

muggy - So Fall of '92 was a studio recording? I thought it was recorded live. Is it on a foreign release along with some songs that didn't make it to an album? So what's all this about "spurt"?

Biggest Metheny Fan - So why would NRBQ be too much for us to handle? This sounds interesting.

Wintergreen - I am a big Gershwin fan, so I am intrigued by the idea of Fagen and Becker doing Gershwin covers. However, they probably shouldn't try anything from Porgy and Bess since it is an opera and they are not opera singers. (I have a tape of Kiri Te Kanawa singing Gershwin songs; the whole recording is sung in her popular song style, except for Summertime, where she switches to her operatic style - I love to sing along with that song since I like to sing in an operatic style too, but just be glad that you're not my cats so you don't have to listen, for I am not Kiri Te Kanawa!) I think F & B would be better off with Gershwin's show tunes, perhaps But Not For Me; its theme of missing out on love would fit in well with the SD ouvre.

Mr. Chow - Hey, good work. I'm sure you'll turn them in the right direction one of these days.

Schwinn - I really hope that Fagen signs off synthesizers permanently. They probably made for a fun musical experiment back when they first came out (even I learned to play one in high school back in the 70s, in an after-school session taught by our choral teacher, who was the best music teacher in the school), but they just don't produce real music - I'd much rather hear actual instruments, they have much more depth and a more interesting sound. I hope Fagen's infatuation with synthesizers is over once and for all.

Mitch - You have piqued my interest; I wonder if I could get My Korean Colleen from Tunnel Records.

Ralph - Hey, another cat lover, great! Well, the cat population around here just swelled. I am now a grandmother, for my new cat Nyja just had kittens. I was going to have her spayed when she first came to live with me, but the vet told me to wait a while since she was running a fever. Well, I waited a bit too long, for apparently she was pregnant when she came to live with me, and once her belly became big I didn't want to have her spayed since the kittens would have been pretty well developed at that point. Last night she had three solid black kittens who look just like her. They are all doing well and Nyja is purring enthusiastically and seems quite happy. All local GB contributors who might like a black kitten from a sweet, affectionate, and pretty mother with ear tufts (I know nothing about the father, of course) are welcome to write to my e-mail address. And I have a big pack of cats here now, eight of them, including babies and adults.

When do tickets go on sale for the late summer tour? - I thought there wasn't going to be a tour this year, wasn't that the whole point of the Dr. Clam feature?

lisa, oleander et al -- sorry I've been out of touch
lisa I've tried to call you but there has been no answer each time I try. Oleander-- don't want to call too late but each time I think about calling you it's past 10 PM. Sooner or later I'll catch you guys.

The material below © 1999 Walter Becker and Donald Fagen: All Rights Reserved

"Mixdown (n) - contemporary recording jargon for the last stage of the multitrack recording process, during which the multiple instrumental and vocal elements of the recording are blended together into the final stereo version which will be heard by consumers.

...which is why the mail is going unanswered (but NOT unread) for yet another month. Keep those cards and letters coming - we're dancing as fast as we can."

Hi guys! I'm a young french man and a SD's fan too, but I have some problems to translate some songs, so if someone would help me , it would be nice. Thanks.
RV

got the new diana krall album. (jazz) lovely. energetic. a smart sexy babe with loads of talent. still experimenting and finding all the things her voice can do. as for her piano ... yeah.

thank you, mr. chow.

Fall of '92 sax = Bob Shepard

What is with all the TV commercials with "The Who" muzic??
I mean, I dig The Who, especially Pete, and everytime the ending of Won't Get Fooled Again comes across the TV screen I'm out of the chair doing that 360 deg. guitar strum thing Pete does, and I like it! AKA Adam Sandler " who is the ad wizard behind this one"? 2 different ads, EXACT same music?

Ok, so if you produced TV ad's, what products would include the music of Steely Dan? Oh yeah, elaborate.
I'm thinking, Trojan and The Fez?

Hey George Bush Jr. could you spare a dime?

not too sure who is on sax on 92. I think that It could be the touring band from 93. And since it was written by B&F (how could you mistake those chord for anyone else), The it can be considered the first Steely Dan studio recording of the 90's. And the best song written in the 90's.

And if you think that it sounds dated, I just got word from The Gore campaign that they are going to us it as there official campaign song. Yeah baby, Don't stop thinking about tomorrow!

Ok,i'm game - "no, spurt," said colleen.

I hear colleen has a sister.

Any Steely dan fan that doesn't know PM's music should run out and get something by him.

GO NOW BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THIS!

Pat himself is a huge steely fan. He got some of their live tapes from me (he got NRBQ,too but they might be to much for you folks to handle).

He played his ass off with donald that night - some folks in the audience thought that he was going to have a heart attack!

Then Chaka Khan, who had ambled in off the street to sing a few numbers said, "Pat Metheny, I love Pat Metheny, and procceeded to pull him on to her lap. Pat was clearly embarrassed but was having fun.

He is a very busy guy, but if he could fit it into his schedule, I'm sure that he would jump at the chance to play on 2 freaks of nature.

And don't just listen to his JAZz albums!!!!! Open your mind up to some of the most creative compositions in all of music!

His brothers name is Mike by the way.

Yours,

say no to spurt!!!!

Mr. Chow: Yes, I am a very big fan of Pat Metheny. "Question and Answer", "Rejoicing", and "Watercolors" are a few of my faves by him. Especially "Q&A", I could listen to that for hours. Now let me suggest an album to you: Michael Brecker's "Tales From The Hudson", on which Pat plays. If you don't have it, check it out; if you do have it, listen to it again. It's a killer.

As far as other jazz guitarists go, I really dig Wes Montgomery, Grant Green, and Kenny Burrell, but my favorites are Charlie Christian and Tal Farlow. I'll go into further detail at another time.

One other CD I could recommend would be Lou Donaldson's "Good Gracious", which has Lou on alto, Grant Green on guitar, Big John Patton on organ, and Ben Dixon on drums. This record really swings.

Have a great July 1st! Now, I must go celebrate!!!!

Later,

Herm

Bigger Daddy
You got it wrong. We're not the jury. I the jury.

Mr.Chow-May I add "American Garage" to you're List of Pat Metheny listenings? I saw pat at a guitar clinic in the 80's...amazing. His Brother Tom is no slouch on Trumpet too.I think they did some recording together at some point.
David

P.S. Michael C. Packard...You know what ya Gotta do Man...Now get going! Life on the other side...Ah, that's where it's at!

Rumour has it the Gershwin connection will be even more obvious in the new release as Walter and Donald plan to end the disc with selected covers from Porgy and Bess. I can't wait to hear Donald's take on "Summertime" and I'm sure hearts will swoon when Walter croons "Bess, you is my woman, now, you is, you is"

Re: Gershwin clue: 'Do It Again'- also was a Gershwin tune circa 1938!

anyone remember the show Fagen did at the Lonestar in early 1993 to celebrate his birthday?? great show with Will Lee, Steve Ferrone and Pat Metheny......any boot legs of this one?????

Mitch re: Big Noise- that was recorded circa '87..for an album Fagen decided to scrap, which is too bad since Steve Gadd was on it (see interview he did in 9/'87 in 'Drummer' type mag)....Big Noise was 'officially released on the 'Trans-Island' ep in Europe in the summer of '93 along with previously un-issued live version of 'Home At Last' , recorded 8/24/92 at Jones Beach, Long Island, New York

re: the new one's release date: bet on the Nov. release there is no way in hell F/B would even let the hint of information unless they absolutely finished....maybe somebody should call HK management, I'm sure they are the assholes making us wait so fucking long!...and don't worry the album will be great...but the days of Dan Steele going multi-platinum are long gone....Becker's solo disc didn't even chart in the US and Kamakiriad got limited airplay, although it did sell about 800,000...but I'm afraid the boys have waited too fuckin long to have an impact on today's scene (not that that is a bad thing!)

Sociable Hermit – The guitarist that I would wholeheartedly recommend to you would be Pat Metheny. Generally, his solo albums and his ‘Pat Metheny Group’ albums are brilliant. Most, if not all is original music by himself or in collaboration with Lyle Mays (who also creates great solo albums – only his expertise is the piano). Metheny has done albums with other great musicians eg. Billy Higgins, Charlie Haden, Gary Burton, Ornette Coleman. The list of output and who he’s played with is far to huge to mention without getting RSI, so I’ll mention a few of the really great ones for you to sample (that is if you haven’t already – surely I’m preaching here to the thoroughly converted?) Anyway, just in case you’ve been on another planet since the seventies, go out and get “Still Life (Talking)”, “As Wichita Falls, So Falls Wichita Falls”, “We Live Here”, “Letter From Home”, “Rejoicing”, and “Secret Story” and then tell me what you think.

Altamira – Funny you should mention a Japanese tea house and Michael Franks in the one thought. Every so often, he tends to sing about things Japanese – such as in “Rainy night in Tokyo” from “Passionfruit”. There’s a very good tea house not far from where I work. They tend to play the soundtrack from “Diva” all the time. Haven’t heard any Steely Dan in there yet, but I’m a regular, and plan on converting them.

Feeling a little dizzy? You know, if the Government could be prosecuted as a "pusher" we'd all be rich...or too high to care.

Down South the Feds are alarmed that a growing number of juries are letting drug couriers go with probation. You should hear the DA's and their grunts rant and rave about how everything is going to hell. "God Dammit, 5 years ago those bastards would have been sentenced to 10 years WITHOUT parole. What will our shareholder's say?"

Amen. Finally. Crazy. Yes. Good.

Fuck you, Rush Limbaugh and Kenneth Starr. All of your "Private Sector" prisons are about to go bankrupt because of THE JURY. Us. Me and you. We are joining hands to tear down your walls and rattle the special interest money out of your mattresses. And it is happening. The Jury has spoken. Starr is broken. A JURY just sentenced McDougal to ONE YEAR PROBATION. Never mind that he spent several years in jail while Kenny destroyed his life and that of many other people who DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HIM in the process. And you know what? A JURY of ORDINARY PEOPLE like ME and YOU killed a bad thing. There is no name or party affiliation that can make someone a bad thing. We, the JURY, can SMELL it.

So, you have power. You the Jury. Whether you sit in a courtroom today, tomorrow, or maybe never, YOU have the power as outlined in our Constitution. Everything is CIRCUMSTANTIAL until you confer with eleven others and TELL the JUDGE what to DO!

WE scare the shit out of those soul-less free radicals who plague this earth because they have never faced the JUDGEMENT OF THEIR PEERS and rush to escape us by RUNNING FOR OFFICE!

Anyone who insists the jury is wrong is an enemy. Kill them before they build another Columbine.

We Have Reached a Verdict,

Bigger

CDV: I know what you mean. Anybody who's had some experience with psychotropics knows that you do not listen to digital audio, nor do you watch TV. It's so fucking depressing. Instead you learn to play an instrument or sing out loud for the first time.

Technology wants to make you "high" legally. Impossible. The biggest factor in catching a "buzz" is being the first on your block to attempt it. After that, well, every fucker in the galaxy is synthesizing the shit you just created.

Morphic Resonance: Just like doin' Creatin for the first time and hitting 70 homers. Tell Mark he needs a new drug to hit 71.

Batter Up!

Raster Blaster

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