SIS Archives -- June 2001

Name: Michael Buffer
@the Blue Custerdome in downtown Reno

Date: Saturday, June 30, 19101 at 23:10:04
Comments:

In the first round aa threw some stiff jabs with little effect. Kinky answered later in the round with a hard right cross to the ribs, then a viscious left hook, and a few choice words for the ref. aa was on the ropes and staggered as the bell sounded to end Round 1. Score the round a clear 10-9 for Kinky.

Ref: Z sound's like shit to me also but I like where you're coming from...

It's a relief to hear that Howard and SteveeDan use software to get those damn nuances I sometimes miss. I was expecting a perfect pitch confession out of Howard, but I'll settle for an electronic aid for now...
I've never bought a computer or CD player myself- to call me a luddite would probably be the understatement of all time- but as we all know-
1-Rael men don't use computers
2-You can't play the blues if you own a PC
I intend to post the minutes of the CLONAID trial the boyz are involved in, but, with all the talk about Glamour Profession, I have to add a little something of my own.
I doubt any of you remember this, but I made a post a few months ago about listening to GP while laying down on my sperm-stained couch (don't ask) and I begged someone to tell me what was going on during that huge synth solo in the middle of GP.
Yup. The synth solo was a dream. There is a little keyboard interlude before the guitar solo, but that wasn't what I was referring to.
Anyway, as I was driving my otterhound up to Connecticut a month or two ago for some intervention therapy from some OH breeders (manly women, to say the least), I happened to have a tape of the Gaucho album and grooved along the Hutch to it most of the way.
As usual (for the last 11 years anyway), my consciousness was a little altered and I almost flipped out when I heard the minor ninth chords voiced high on the electric piano- they sounded like goddamn balls of fire! This thing sounds like Weill on fluvoxamine!
Anyway, I didn't have my little gittar handy so I made a mental note to transcribe this shit at the first chance I get.
Well, I decided that, since I wrote out most of 2 Against Nature because the book hadn't come out yet, I would consult Mr. Wright for the changes to GP. No use in overtaxing an already half-fried mind.
Unfortunately, he doesn't have it, so I ambled down to the Central Queens Branch Library in Jamaica (where the white man very seldom is seen)and scored the SD book and also found the new 2 A N book and the new edition of the Brian Sweet biography!
So since someone asked for the changes to GP, here they are-
Am9/Am9/Bbm6/Bbm6 G7/Cm9/Cm9/DM7/DM7/Cm9/Cm9/DM7/DM7/Eb (no3rd addA/A b5/ That was the intro.
D13 D9/ D9/ Em9 Em6/ Em69/C13 C9/CM7Dbass/G13 G9/ G13/ F13 F9/F9/Db13 Db9/ Db9/ EbM7/ EM7 F9/ G9 F9/ Eb9 Db9/ then repeat the first 13 bars of this section and go to
BbM13 A13/ EbwAb bass/Eb addFw G bass/AbwBb bass/ Bbw C bass/ Fm7/G7b5/ EbM7 D7#9/2/4 bar-G7#11b9/4/4-Cm9/Cm7/ F13/ F13/ DbM7w Ab bass/DbM7w Ab bass A11th A13/ repeat back to D13 (beginning of section)but end on AbM9 instead of DDbM7 then
Bridge:
Bbm9/ Bbm9/ Gb9/ Gb13/ AbM7/ G7#9/ GbM7 F7#9/ DbM7w Eb Bass/ then go back to D13 again but take coda after 27 bars to keyboard interlude based on intro.
I realize a lot of this sounds like shit, but at least it's a beginning.

well said Hutch....he really was a humble man....always made everyone feel at ease and like he was just one of the folks....I think guitar players everywhere will feel his loss, but those of us in the south seem to have a special place for the kind, gentle soul as well as the great guitarist....he really was Chet Atkins, CGP.

I'm turning in....just feel like I lost a friend.

Ed - I bought the 5.1 Guacho and 2VN last week. They were in Best Buy and buying them just seemed to be the right thing to do. I figured that eventually I'll be able to play them. I though the same thing when I bought the 'New Frontier' video a few years ago, and I still haven't found anything to play that on

I think my TV set will play these discs. I'm off to try it.
Aloha
Geoff

Very sad indeed. Chet Atkins was a kind and humble man. A great, great talent. Heaven's music is just a little sweeter now.

midnite cruiser-well said man. when i saw the evening news about chet, i couldnt believe it. i wish i was more familiar with the mans music. but it doesnt take familiarity to realize the man had a touch of genious.
may i suggest "neck and neck"?

technokat-no probs.

dif

CNN link to Chet's obit:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/30/atkins.obit.ap/index.html

Chet Atkins died??????

oh man, I *really* hate to hear that....he really was one of the guitar greats of all time in my opinion....emulated by so many but a true original in his own right....I remember when my Mom got me the Chester & Lester album for my birthday one year....Chet Atkins and Les Paul playing tunes together.

I need to find something appropriate to listen to....for Chet.

*sigh*
MC

Hoops!*
Yeah, we got beat by five minutes on the scoop, guys.
Next time...
But still... terrible news for guitar aficionados everywhere. Goes without saying, really.
Didn't he develop the "chicken pickin'" technique?
Why is everyone dying all of a sudden?

* a la Seinfeld's "Newman".

Chet Atkins, RIP

Sorry I was totally not responsive in chat. Nothing I typed would enter so I left. When I came back you were gone. To answer you about Fagen and Becker, I'd have to say no, but you never know.

And now for my new book:

"Be a dildo, or just look like one."

A FEMALE, a fertile female in the PLush area, that is. I DO want more kids. Can't get enough...

And me thinks you wish you were.

Midnite: you're a gentleman and a scholar; thanks much, man.

ole: you're the second person this week i've heard talk up the Strayhorn bio. i take that as a cosmic nudge as to my next book purchase

Blaise- Methinks you're a dildo.

OH look! An Oregonian has mistaken the GB for the Dating Game!
A Big DATING KISS/Wave..thing..? out to yah there bud! ; )

I didn't even have ONE cuppa in me at the time of that posting.
OK! OK! jeese give a girl a break eh?

do YOU get anything right?
Go back to your "snob" GB and obey all the rules now, don't forget!!

Blaise~ I'm glad someone does- get my drift that is.. apparently
Fretless and a few others do.. the rest are over in the Blue Book..( or somewhere) teeheeeee. ; )

I am a 56 year old male and I am seeking A long-term relationship with a Male. I live in Plush, Oregon, United States and I will not be willing to relocate. I consider appearance to be Unspecified and intelligence to be Unspecified.

My hair is Unspecified, my eyes are Unspecified. I am 5'11'' (180 Cm.) tall. My weight is Unspecified and my body build is Average. I am Never Active, a Non-Smoker and I drink Socially.

My ethnic background is White/Caucasian, My religion is Unspecified. My political inclination is Unspecified. My astrological sign is Gemini. I am Single, I have 8 kids (They live with me) and I want more. I grew up in Maine.

I have completed Unspecified and the emphasis of my studies was in Telecommunications. My occupation is Unspecified:Inside Account Rep and my income is Unspecified.

And The kinds of music I like are Classic Rock n' Roll, Modern Rock 'n Roll, New Age, Rap but mostly everything STEELY DAN.

Hi,
"I would just love to hear the DTS 5.1 remix of Gaucho but it doesn't play on a regular DVD player, you need that special
multi-channel decoder. Has anyone else heard this yet?"

Yes Blaise I have heard it and all you need is a DTS compatible
dvd player for the 5.1 DTS sound along with a 'Home Theater Reciever"

Its a very nice mix with some additions on this version of Gaucho.

Ole- I'm Kauai bound later today and I have lots to say about the
response. I will call you soon.

Ed Beatty

http://www.rollingstone.com/Photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=1283&seq=1&afl=avp

nice collection of SD Photos

HELP!!! EMERGENCY!!

Our bass player went to the hospital this morning, and we have a gig tonight. If anybody knows anyone in the NYC/NJ area who plays bass and can do mainstream R&B stuff, please, please contact me.

You can e-mail me at the address above and I will get back to you ASAP.

Thanks for your help,

Lisa G

i went to a todd r link to try and get concert information the other day and i didnt know that todd was replaced in the nazz by rick nielsen.

i befriended jim petersson when we worked together for met life in the late 70s and cheap trick were just coming into their own. jim is tom peterssons(cheap tricks bassist and backround vocals)brother. my drinking exploits with jim in 77 and 78 denver were legendary. at least to us they were. jim must have told me about rick replacing todd in the nazz, but those days are a blur now and i really didnt dig todd back then like i do today.

does that make me twice removed from the maestro, todd?

dif

eLLe - Used to be on Napster (and now on things like Bearshare), some people would trade Steely Dan classics such as "Stuck In the Middle with You, Carry on Wayward Son, Year Of the Cat... ;o) funny stuff. And that's the Plush video you're talking about there but I catch your drift.
Hey I did post on Hoops Black and Blue but noone told me I had to use the same handle wherever I went.

it was "year of the cat" in the plush video. do you get anything right?

A while back when people were submitting jokes to cheer up AL.. there was one on PMS.. can you please post that again whoever sent it.(?)

Blaise~ yeah I know!! The tv was on and I heard the question at the time that I entered in the E-Mail:* slot...
and I couldn't believe it, the contestant DID have to use a life line, because she didn't know the answer ( obviously) The thing is the night before I was in the chat goofing around with some people and we were saying things like, " Yes I just love Boston's Do it Again" and silly things like that..spoofing I guess on the video Aja, when the camera is outside in the lineup to a SD concert and some chick says she loves SD's On the Border (AL Stewart)LOL
: )

I just had this flashback to the mood rings people used to wear in the seventies. I wonder if a guestbook background could change color at a given moment, depending on the current mood. That'd be neat. Again, thanks to Hoops for the inspiration.

Well you're the one calling him "Lemon" here, no? Jack Lemmon was one of the greats, I SAID. I don't mention Hollywood obits usually. In this case, I made an exception since I admired the man. Learn to read and then, we'll talk.

Blaise- Jack Lemon "no range as an actor" Geez, you no less about acting then you do about music!

µ - By the way, I think you did get flamed over there. It's hard to tell. Hoops, he's either very subtle or he's no good at it, take your pick.
I would just love to hear the DTS 5.1 remix of Gaucho but it doesn't play on a regular DVD player, you need that special multi-channel decoder. Has anyone else heard this yet?

daaaaano - I just loved Jack Lemmon. He didn't have much range as an actor but what he did, his typecast, he did extremely well. That kind of performance will be sorely missed, especially considering the current Hollywood crop.

Aja - Don't stare, I said. I know it's hard considering... where are you, btw? I feel like chatting now. It's my time of the month.

eLLe - Speaking of synchronicity, check out the YGT spoof from last Sunday morning and marvel at the Regis references thrown in. Now what happened a couple of days later? Someone used her lifeline (a phone call) on a Millionaire SD question. Whoa
Hard to beat that one, eh? smooch

St.Al....just set up my Live365 Radio and am grooving to some Banyan Trees Radio....very nice! excellent song lists and audio quality! 'preciate the good tunes while surfing!

MC

Hey, who can recommend a good and affordable DVD player that does DVD audio??? CDs were always on the edge of not having enough data. Without Roger Nichols in the booth, despite higher signal/noise and increased dynamic range for CDs, vinyl had the potential in the end to hold more data (in analog form of course).

But this explanation seals up DVD-audio (a standard format since 1998) as the way to listen to music: DVD-Audio can provide dramatically higher quality stereo than CD with a sampling rate of up to 192kHz (compared to 44.1 kHz for CD). DVD-Audio digital sound can be delivered with up to 24 bits of data (compared to 16 bits for the CD standard). Like DVD-Video, a typical DVD-Audio disc contains up to seven times the data capacity of a CD. For DVD-Audio, this additional data capacity is used primarily for music. This may include text information such as artist biographies, playlists and lyrics; photo galleries; and even video clips (don't want that, I'll buy Plush - give me the damn music).

got kicked out craig...and my lovely tones...write me and we'll continue our convo...

thanks to those who've chatted with me tonight....GE2, ninny, dif, NYBill, craigster, kranky, tones...i had fun...sorry i got kicked out, you two...

jenny

Okay, this is all I wanted to do...

My e-mail is jennywenny_qt@hotmail.com....well, okay, just blew my cover there!

Anyway, before I say anymore, e me...we'll talk a bit...about before...you know what I mean...

jenny

Anvand garna ett mjukt underlag.

I thought Purdue was in Iowa.

Oh, my feeble Sony Handycam with the guilt-in mic is a special "Jewish" Edition. It also asks me when I'm going to grow up and get a real job.

The Doctor Wu band (the other LA-based Steely Dan tribute band) is playing at the world famous Whisky A-Go-Go Friday, July 6. I invite all Los Angeles based Steely fans to come out to see their show. Let's support Doctor Wu, for they do not play in public very often. Maybe if there is a good turnout, the band might be convinced to play live more often. If you do see the band, be sure to meet the band's drummer and leader, Paul C. I'm sure that he would be delighted to meet you.

This PSA is now concluded.

Steveedan (you know what goes here...)

Hey everybody -

Hope all's going well. The Steely Fan Band (SFB)gig went well last night. I video taped the show, but my feeble Sony Handycam guilt-in mic can't handle the volume. Quite distorted. I'll have to ask Pete Fogel how he had The Steely Damned video tape come out so well with the good sound quality.

To Dan(W1P)- I too don't know enough to respond to the reggae question. The SFB will be playing at 14 Below in Santa Monica, California on Tuesday July 10th. (NOT THE NINETH.) Cray Zee, I hope to see you there. By the way, that giant boot-car is brown.

Lately, a lot of offers to play have been coming in to the SFB's website. There's a place that asked us to play there July 5 in Sacremento called at Crawdad's River Cantina. Any Sacremento based folks heard about this place. They boast about a floating barge which is used as the stage and is surrounded by tropical vegitation. Sounds fun, but I tend to get seasick.

Take it easy.

Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)

Don't look now, but it's Kinky and aa squaring off on the peaceful blue board. Leeeetttttttttttttttttttt's get ready to ruuuuummmmmmmmbbbbbllleee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy Z -- I live in Benedict Canyon (but used to live on Nebraska near Purdue). Naw, I really mean Royal Scam -- I think that is a serious raggae song with close to the proper beat, all the political implications of "Conscious Music" and a lyrical content addressing West Indian natives arriving in NYC.

Jim and Amy!! Have been really busy, sorry it took me so long to post. Just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed meeting you both and what fun it was sharing our little corner of the shore with you. We absolutely HAVE to get together again, you said something about NASCAR (non-athletic sport centered around rednecks). Well Jim, I'm up for it!! I choose not to drink before watching a bunch of speeding cars circle around and around and around and around and around and around............get the idea? Wouldn't be a pretty picture I'm afraid.
Oh, BTW, Cyn and I arranged for the monsoon to prove to you guys that we weren't just a couple of wussey housewives who couldn't come through in a crisis. LMAO!
Wish you could have stayed through Sunday, daughter and horse had a really good day, they both performed beautifully. And you could have watched me win the Reserve Championship in the western division. De Proof is in da puddin'!!
Hope to be able to get together again soon, stay well!!

somebody said this a few days ago as well---

Just waiting for Archie Bunker at the gates, hes my date for
the John Lee Hooker party.

---and Archie died too!!!

strange place this : /

I find it odd that I mentioned the funny out-takes of Grumpy and Grumpier Old Men, the other day and then Jack leaves us.
The Odd Couple re-unites. Walter was my kinda man.His last movie
with Meg Ryan, was the best. That humor.. unsophisticated..
snappy..literally Roll-On_the_Floor_Laughing-Out-Loud silliness
That's how I spell LUVABLE : )

W1P -- Its closer to work than home, but very doable. I just may check it out. I would have gone to that North Hollywood Festival thing, but was too committed on Father's Day.

Sorry I can't respond to your prior post, but I don't really know Steel Pulse or Burning Spear. I'll keep an open ear. Did you mean to compare The Royal Scam to I Shot the Sheriff or Haitian Divorce?

What part of town do you hail from?

LP: Don't miss the North Mississippi All Stars if ya gets the chance. Heh, you're in the midst of Jazzfest 'fusion - too many acts, not enough 'P.

Crazy Zee, sounds like you live pretty close to 14 Below (which will host The Steely Fan Band on 7/9 (I believe). Skunk should come sit in with them. (I'm seriously bummed that not ONE person responded to my Burning Spear/Steel Pulse message)

Yes Duncan, something has changed the guestbook has moved over there:

http://www.dandom.com/guestbook/

Enjoy!!!

Back fom Spain .
Whats's happening have I missed anything ?

I heard that Nerdie Pardue tuned all the guitars to B#, whilst playing in Pennsylvania.

OWE!
booooo..hisssss..booooo

What happens if you use Pengo Power for the electric tuner?

We hear the B#, yesterday?

Hoopsie, is that you?

******tumblin tumbleweeds******

Dano: Prefab is (come)back??? IMHO Two Wheels Good, From Langley Park to Memphis and Jordan, The Comeback *may* be the finest post-jazz recordings outside Steely Dan. I have no doubt that Wild Horses and Machine Gun Ibiza are the finest engineered pop recordings I've ever heard outside the Immortal...

Blaizer , Glengary was indeed superb but got limited play over here but I have a copy at least , The sinus bit in the Odd Couple still does ma heed in Truly Magnificent.
And Blaise!! Julia is she good in the lurve department?? Does she like Barry White when in the mood??

TWM , Did you see Prefab last week on GMTV, YES GMTV singing Cowboy Dreams , the wee man came running upstairs shouting!!Dad Dad ,Prefab Sprout are on telly?? Paddy still is the business after all these years??

LP , Will get back to you on that test thingy as soon as i have 5 mins??

Au Re Va daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano

other dan-fest possiblities:

Newport Folk Fest
Sunday, August 5, 2001
11:30 a.m.-6:30 p.m.
Fort Adams State Park
$48 in advance/$53 at the gate

Fort Stage:
Indigo Girls
Nanci Griffith
Paul Brady
Joan Osborne
Toshi Reagon and Big Lovely
North Mississippi Allstars with special guests Robert Randolph and John Medeski

Borders Stage:
John Mooney
The Campbell Brothers
Sara Hickman
Mary Lou Lord
Rory Block
Kate McDonnell
RIG: Tao Rodriguez-Seeger, Johnny Irion, and Sarah Lee Guthrie
Mike Doughty
The Waifs

Please note Michelle Shocked (a personal favorite) and Jonatha Brook have also been added this week, not sure which day they are playing though.....

or of course, there is also:

SATURDAY, AUGUST 11
Fort Adams State Park

Fort Stage: 11:30 am - 6:30 pm
Diana Krall
Dave Brubeck
Karl Denson's Tiny Universe
Roy Hargrove Quintet
Jerry Gonzalez and the Fort Apache Band

Mercedes Benz Pavilion: Noon
Ravi Coltrane
DJ Logic's Project with special guest Graham Haynes
Big Bill Morganfield
Simon Shaheen and Qantara
Nora York

decisions, decisions - sigh.....

Howdy all

Just posting to see if any of you lovely peepil are up for some chat

Lurkers of the world unite!!

Peace
Al

Jonatha Brooks is playing a free concert Thursday August 9th at 5:30 PM at Copley Square in Boston - anybody in?

Come to think of it, I should tell the shoe repair guy that the next time Mr. Baxter comes in, he should say:

You must be joking son,
Where did you get those shoes?

Bernard Purdie overdubbed all of Jeff Baxter's parts on The Village People records.

Howard: Webdrone and you know who recognize a class act when they see one- you are most deserving of the official link status. Perhaps they will award you an MSD [thrust upon you?] This is like an MBE* only the statuette isn't something you'd want to have out on the mantle.

or, maybe you would...
Kudos
Fretless

*Member of the British Empire- for the gringos, Clas.

Yesterday, I went to the shoe repair.
The one on Santa Monica just west of Barrington.
The one with the little car in front shaped like a boot.

The shop owner was talking to another gentleman about the neighboors.
They talked about the guy who bought The Record Plant recording studio across the street.
Some guy with a moustache who played with The Village People.
The shop owner couldn't remember his name.

Then he remembered -- Jeff Baxter.

I said Jeff Baxter played with Steely Dan and the Doobie Bros.
He said he didn't know about that, but was pretty sure he played with The VIllage People.
I said I didn't know about that, but heard he was now consulting for the government on defense systems.
He said he didn't know about that, but Mr. Baxter came in often to have his shoes fixed.

Skunk and I get our shoes repaired at the same place.
That's my claim to fame.

Hey there Blaise

had a few moments this morning to sorta say hello
been busy here and away too long, hope you had a great escape

I like Dr Dot better than that old lady/ young lady psychology set of pictures - so that's what Sting was talking about on his first solo record - Dream of the Blue Turtles

HOward - congrats on the ODP reference

Jim # - sounds like you had a nice little cajun get together with Cynth last weekend

StevieD - hows the transition to teaching going?

where's Gina these days?

wonder if Susan St. James ever read liner notes?

wormy

memory rush over me

that's funny, i don't remember authorizing dr dot to use that image of me - sheesh, the internet is a crazy place! where did i put my attorney's phone number, oh yes, that's right, aus torres, esq.!

Dr. Dot's pilots we'll never see on NBC:

Dr. Dot's Sex-tant

The Undersea World of Jock Cousteau

Dr. Dot's Fingerpainting by Numbers

Dr. Dot's Body Lithograph Series of Endgangered Species

Dr. Dot's Hands-on Biography of Kasey Kasem: Reaching for the Stars

Opposite of an Aerial View

Dr. Dot's Extreme No Fez Games

Dr. Dot's Surivivor: the Small of the Back

Blaise: I'm not exactly sure, but Hoops may have flamed me on the EGB. Cool...

exhibit 67 and 68...

Was that the B side to 25 or 6 to 4?

d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t
And "sextant"
indeed Edd.

One could measure the distance from the edge where the sun don't shine straight down to the meridian where the angled side of the beam shined. You'd then have the length of one side of a right triangle. One of those things used by ancient mariners could be used to determine the angle described by this side and the side of the beam NOT shinging straight down.

Now we'd have angle/side/angle and we could determine the length of the remaining side and the hypotenuse, hence determing how far away the sun is, which is at the point described by the intersection of the vertical ray and the hypotenuse.

Name: Blaise
done staring and watching paint dry

Date: Friday, June 29, 19101 at 06:45:48
Comments:

I see things are slow down in New Orleans this morning. We need a worm tom trading card now... hint hint
And what about females? Do't they have a league of their own?

Ole - the best way to appreciate and understand this artwork is to examine it from up close and viewing it from all angles, it's true. Thanks once again go to Hoops for the tip... huh... scoop:

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I draw your attention to exhibit 67 and 68:

http://www.drdot.de/dot/dot67.jpg
http://www.drdot.de/dot/dot68.jpg

Guestbook-worthy material? I do believe so. It's fabulous!

eleven wacky awards walter might win in a
sicko fuckhead world

12) The Sizzler Award for best backyard bar-b-que conversation piece
11) The Fez award for most distinguished condom appreciation in a song
10) The Jethro and Ellie Mae award for furthering close family ties via Cousin Dupree
9) The Better Sound Sincere and Appreciative Award for following too many "THanks very much, pre ciate it"s from Mr Fagan
8) the Mis-identity Award for too many "You look like that guy in Steely Dan, no, you're not him"
7) THe Looks Like A Strat What's THat award for using Sadowsky guitars
6) The Sierra CLub's Top 2 Most Wanted Award for declaring his outright battle with the natural in an album title
5) THe Expensive Kiss Off Award from the male patrons of the Custerdome
4) THe What Did That Guy Ever Do? award from critics for things seemingly not missing from the Nightfly
3) The IntraBand Contraband Award for putting romance back into the Steely Dan touring band
2)THe YEah Right award from the GB for not taking his posts serious
1) THe Bastard Axed My Take award from adoring studio musicians the world over

gimt

Eleven Whacky Awards Walter Won't Win:

¥ The Lady Bing (outstanding sportsman-like conduct - Avocado League)
¥ The Bunsen Prize (since he awards it himself)
¥ The Grammy for best rap over a stolen track (new category)
¥ A picture-massage from Dr.Dot
¥ The "I survived Rickie Lee for a year way back when" RIAA Award
¥ The Lifetime Achievement Award that goes with the above
¥ The Goncourt for Through With Buzz
¥ People's Sexiest Man Alive (dumb luck my friend won't suck me in this time, *I* win)
¥ The GB Award for Anon of the Year (lp won, of course)
¥ The Christian Coallition's "Stand up guy of the year" Award
¥ The Brit for Elton-like conduct at an Award Show

sicko frenchie fuckhead

Hutch - interesting sitar link, and it's a great story about the Ravi tuning-up performance!

Stevee - yes, using G/A as an A11 chord is a nice one to use. I think 11ths and 13ths are the chords that have the largest number of different interpretations. Yours means you have 7th 9th and 11th but no 3rd, others might include the 3rd but drop the 9th or 11th, others would include the whole damn lot ...

New ODP updates - what can I say?!? I'm just glad to be able to
share thoughts and ideas on the music. Thanks to the webdrone for their continued efforts on the ODP - it's a fine site. And if it wasn't for the super-fine music of D+W, I wouldn't have done any of that stuff anyway ...

Howard

For the record, I was called both a "sicko frenchie" and a "fuckhead" on this forum yesterday and I still haven't experimented with alternative guestbooks.
Thick, thick turtle shells on silicone, I tell ya. But when it's served in an artistic fashion like that, I don't mind at all.

Jimbo - Hi! Now, normally I wouldn't comment such on hit-parade fodder but since Nelly Furtado is Canadian, I have to agree with your sentiments. Not only that, she also had a hit song called "Like a Bird". This makes a strong case for the debutante under these trees, no doubt.

ole- I did stare and it was beautiful, you're right. It's full of those strategically placed, artistically relevant little turtles. And if you stare long enough, you can not only tell that those are fake but also that she doesn't shave. Yes, the bare truth comes out and hits you, when you stare.
Now they don't want any birds at Hoopsie's place. Or so they say. I was just wondering if animals were allowed in there.

Jen - Was that a Julia Roberts lookalike or the real thing? Only you know for sure, right? And it's "Kiefer" she was whispering, I'm certain, not Blaise. People have made this mistake before and they were forgiven.

Clas - Have cooler heads prevailed in the Stockholm smog? It does seem hotter than usual this summer already. Someone tell Dubya to lay off on sucking his freon crack pipe for a little while, every protective layer you can enumerate is peeling, bleeding depleted, expletives deleted. He's not listening, hun? Figures...

Jack Lemmon, sigh... I have to mention it when true talent is lost for good. The man was a master when it came to the portrayal of the anxious little man. In Glengary Glen Ross, in The Out-of Towners, etc, he wad absolutely fabulous, eh? RIP

Paula Poundstone serves today's brand of OJ. Another unbelievable twist added to our collective soapdish. When I was an early teen, I looked up to the Juice in every way. This one here is much easier to stomach.

Too many awards and tributes for Steely Dan? Is there such a thing as too much of a good thing in this case? Wondering if this interferes with the creative process in any way. I hope not.

Milosavich extradited to the Hague,

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Jen--Me too.

tones--thanx for another laugh. Squonk's, eight EDT, on me.

Blaise--Stare at the body paint for 10 minutes and you'll get to the deepest layer of the message.

Howard, Fretless, Mu, NMN, Edd, Hutch, steveedan--thanx for bending my mind and the notes, & Howard, thanx for the reminder of Denny Dias' great piece on the ODP. That's why some places in some songs just transport you, and others are just duds. It's like fractals--there is infinite space between the tones. Must stop now. Getting dizzy.

Edd....you finally figured it out! it was all a hoax....everything they taught us in school was a lie!

actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ancient scientists didn't use the same reasoning to support their views of the universe.

Yeah, I got a kick out of Julia/Ben post too....thought it was a little out of place until I caught the GB twist.

'night folks

MC

To whoever posted the Julia Roberts newsclip, take it easy on
big Black Cow and get outta here.

Tonight on VH1, there was a special on Singers and Songwriters and how the music industry has treated them (like shit).

While Don and Walt weren't involved in the special, Dave Matthews, David Gray, Aimee Mann and others were interviewed
about trying to sell their records in a homogenized, company packaged pop industry world.

Don and Walt would have been good people to talk to due to their Grammy wins this year. No music videos, lack of radio airplay,
and nearly two million sales worldwide later, The pop industry
must still be shaking it's head.

The special will repeat at 11:30 pm tonight.

Personally, I think Nelly Furtado will beat Britney to a pulp. ;)

Okay...I actually laughed out loud at that one...

jenny

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -
Oscar-winning actress Julia Roberts and beau Benjamin Bratt have ended their four-year relationship, his publicist said on Thursday, confirming a New York tabloid report that they had broken up.

``Yes, that's true I can confirm that,'' Bratt's publicist Kelly Bush told Reuters, adding, ``Benjamin has no comment.''

Roberts' publicist declined to comment.

Bratt, 37, who stars on TV's ``Law and Order,'' and is currently shooting the feature film ``Abandon'' with Katie Holmes, reportedly initiated the breakup after he was unable to get Roberts to commit to marriage, and after she reportedly called him "Blaise" during an intimate moment, according to an article in Thursday's New York Daily News. It is not known to whom she was refering.

It was unclear when the couple, Bratt and Roberts, broke up, a source said, though it appears Roberts has been interested in this mysterious "Blaise" person for sometime. According to some sources, a huge point of contention was a "trading card", though in what context it isn't clear, leading some to speculate that "Blaise" is a pet name for some well-known sports figure.

It's important to follow the laws that made in this country, unless you have enough money to do whatever the hell you want then buy your way out of justice.

Don't forget to teach your children that.

that bastard!

Looks like Bill Gates is the latest crook to get off scot free. I guess he got his money's worth out of that "election", as did the NRA, "Christian" right, environmentally evil corporations, the tobacco industry, price-gouging energy companies...

...of the royal scam.

d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t

And "sextant"

/e

Something bothers me. Has for years...

In one of MC's wonderful W.Va pics, the sun comes thru the clouds forming a distinct beam with the two "sides" at very diferent angles.

Let's suppose the light came thru the clouds from such a direction that one side of the beam hit the ground at a 90 degree angle. The other side of the beam would be at an angle pointing toward the sun.

The sunny spot area on the ground created by this sunbeam would have a distinct size. One could measure the distance from the edge where the sun shined straight down to the meridian where the angled side of the beam shined. You'd then have the length of one side of a right triangle. One of those things used by ancient mariners could be used to determine the angle described by this side and the side of the beam NOT shinging straight down.

Now we'd have angle/side/angle and we could determine the length of the remaining side and the hypotenuse, hence determing how far away the sun is, which is at the point described by the intersection of the vertical ray and the hypotenuse.

I bet it turns out to be no further than 20 miles away. 30 tops.

...nothin' but tumbleweeds blowin through here...

There's a local (Marin Co. - SF Bay area) band around here called

Chrome Johnson...

...apparently named after one of the guitars played in the band, however I'm told the steely reference wasn't lost on the band members. Legend has it the guy was playing with his shiny Johnson and his mom walks in and goes, "That's a chrome Johnson!" Thus a band name was born.

When the hell is Squonks going to reopen? I'm damn thirsty!

piece

t

chat?

somebody/anybody?

dif

I just want to say that I love Steel Pulse (particularly Rally Round the Flag, Ku Klux Klan and Handsworth Revolution [which features a precursor to "rap" from David Hinds]) and Burning Spear (particularly Marcus Garvey and Do You Remember the Days of Slavery). I also think that The Royal Scam is one of the best raggae tunes ever made (and beats the ever livin snot out of Eric's I Shot the Sheriff). Just musin W1P

Hank, eLLe, Edd....thanks for the kind words on our little NRAO page....we had fun visiting and enjoyed doing the page too.

out into the cool of the evening....I WISH!!

MC

chat?

SteveeD- take yer laptop and stream it LIVE for us? : )

Midnite: Real nice pix, and I especially like the ones that juxtapose the bucolic West Virginia countryside with the massive telescope.

My parents and youngest sister live near Huntington, and they can testify that Senator Byrd has done a good job of getting West Virginia its share of big government things. And then some...

The ÒB# - C being (or not being) the same noteÓ discussion is very interesting. Since my perspective is purely from the piano aspect, I still interpret these 2 notes as being the same enharmonically. I didnÕt know that a violinist could play slightly different tones for these 2 notes. Unless I used the pitch-bend wheel, I could not do this, and besides IÕm too busy playing the rapidly-firing complex chords that come my way in the Steely Dan music.

Howard Ð I donÕt think that there are the problems you mentioned in the SlowGold software. Download it for free and see if it works better for you and please let me know. Regarding naming chords, I agree with the mu as it relates to a (6)(7) chord. The major 2nd and minor 2nd dissonances really spice up the chords and I find it hard to play without them Ð it gets too boring. When I see a 13th chord (like a C13) I voice it like this: C or octaves of C in the bass (left hand) and in the right hand I play either 3 notes(from lowest to highest pitch): Bb-E-A, or 4 notes: Bb-E-D-A. It is confusing if an 11th chord implies that the 9th interval is present or not. I just think of an 11th chord as a simple triad over the bass note which would be the 2nd note in the scale indicated by the simple triad. If it were a D11, I would be playing D or octaves of D in the bass (left hand) and with the right hand play a C triad in either root, 1st or 2nd inversion. You can jazz it up a little bit by adding a 4th note to the right hand chord, the Major 7th, in this case a B. If you play it in this voicing: G-B-C-E with a D in the bass, you get one of those great Fagen chord voicings. Try it out.

Clas Ð If you read the previous paragraph, you will notice when you go through the Black Cow solo chart I sent you that this exact chord is the second-to-last chord written on the first line of music on that chart. The F11 chord on the second line is the same voicing as well. Check it out man.

3 more hours and it's off to Irvine for the load-in and sound check. Performance begins in 7 hours at 8:30 PM.

If ya can't keep movin' at least keep groovin'

Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)

three as in three tracks of whacks ;-)

"a could way"
erm.. a good way. rather ; )

Edd: I think some of the string vs. drum pitch elevation may at least *in part* be through the same or somewhat different mechanisms or a combination.

In the case of the plucked string, the greater tension increases the stiffness of the string, or spring in a sense. the frequency for an oscillating spring or string ;-) is:

f = 1/(2 x pi) x sqr.rt (k/m)

where: k = stiffness
and m = unit mass

So frequency will increase in proportion to the square root of the stiffness of the string.

In the case of a drummer hitting a drum hard there are three factors that could increase the "general" pitch heard:

1) The harder whack deforms the drum "lid/membrane" (sorry musicians) more increasing tension and pitch through the frequency equation

2) The drum lid (and even the stick) may be "viscoelastic." Many materials when deformed rapidly are elastic, like a spring. They bounce back quickly, When stuck more rapidly the lid stiffens up and therefore increases the pitch. When struck or deformed slower, the material is more viscous, it has less stiffness and dissapates a higher % of energy. Skeletal muscle is a classic example. If stretched rapidly like a windup immediately before a tennis forehand (and afternoon at Wimbledon), the muscle acts like a spring and creates a good deal of force and power with the swing. If Venus Williams is stretching her hamstrings between matches for flexibility she should do so slowly as so her muscles are more viscous and compliant for greater range of motion.

3) When a solid object is hit hard as opposed to soft, the stiking object ends to remian in contact while the struck object attempts to oscillation. The result is a higher pitched dissonance caused by damping that oscillation. Try this. Stike a Pentel pen on a desk with the toop on and the shaft of the pen perpendicular to the desk. Hit and lift quickly. Slowly increase the frequency, but not the force. You should notice not much of a change in pitch. Now, do the same thing, only increase the force. Notice how the pitch goes up. Pretty cool.

4) This is a wild card. As the stick (made of wood) strikes drum lid and we increase the force, the stick bends more. As it bends more, it stiffens up. As it becomes more stiff, the stick itself contributes to the higher pitch. When two objects collide, the sound is based on the material properties of both objects and other stuff. Notice that when a golf ball strikes a tile floor, it creates a sound with a higher pitch than when the same golf ball strikes a wood floor...

LOL.. since The 4th of July falls on a Wednesday this year
most of the celebrations.. firewroks etc will be held on Sat. and Sunday-the 1rst Canada Day!!! heheeeeee! well in my burg
anyways and I hope you have a could one Blaise ..and no I won't be crying in my maple syrup LOL you sicko Frenchie!!
but you know I mean that in a good way* rib*
Cheers!!

why...thankyou! and I invite you to check out
the Canadian underground jazz stylee..( he-he)
Black Action Committee
black jazz number 3..nice stuff.

too many ed(d)'s - sorry, saw ed(d) quickly and got mixed up again - lol big time - not the spammer, nope, just posted to the wrong ed(d)

ah well, back to my mining operation

"hey edd, check your e from last week (!)"

I assume you mean e-mail? I don't remember getting any email from you (you?) last week, but then I was being spammed and had filtering set up...

Or did I just forget?

feel free to resend... (unless you're the SPAMMER!)

and theys missin some mighty fine cookin right now!! come on get your Real Players in gear.. let's go!!! ; )

Webdrone-Thanks for letting us know about the update on the SD site (and about the Howard link) and the link to the Les Paul award.

Thanks again SD webdrone!

nice !

it's "Jazzy" night ..( Thursdays)

hey edd, check your e from last week (!)

Lawdy, I love MC's camera...

anyone able to tune in?

And of course all roads lead to Dr.Dot in the flesh but on the way, you might find a description of said silver bowl:
http://www.tecawards.org/frameset.html

anyone interested in hearing a good "mix" from England web radio
right now.. please go to..
http://whitelabelpromotions.com/smil/weefy.smil...
and I'll offer up a special shout for the Dandom
cheers
eLLe

please have a look at:

http://www.geocities.com/greenbanknrao/

MC

and the Boys, they keep shining the silver bowl these days, eh?

http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=141&releaseid=6415&magazinearticleid=104999&SiteID=15

That Howard is the shit ain't he?!?

That's really cool man!

http://www.steelydan.com/2vnbuy.html

Webdrone endorses Howard. Hmm... it's a virtual lovefest, I tell ya.
New main page as well. Check it out!
Y'ALL!!!

B

All this talk of notes and half-steps, etc. Look at what the poor sitar players have to put up with...

http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/saptak_scale.html

Brings to mind a track on the Concert for Bangladesh album with George Harrison. Ravi Shankar and his little ensemble came out on stage and proceeded to play a variety of seemingly unrelated sounds on their instruments. This took about a minute and when they stopped the audience full of trippin' hippies broke out in thunderous applause. When it died down Ravi pulled the mic over and said "Thank you. We hope you enjoy the playing as much as you enjoyed the tuning".

What do Willie Nelson, The Oakridge Boys, and Steely Fan Band have in common? Not a damn thing, except that they have all performed on The Crazy Horse's stage and SFB will "Do It Again"..TONIGHT!
8pm this evening at the world famous Crazy Horse in Irvine,come out and hear a special EXTENDED set of music by SFB!
Bring this e-mail and get 2 FOR 1 admission at the door!

Our website hasn't been updated on performance dates so here is what's coming up:

July 4: Private VIP Party-Newport Beach, Ca.
July 10: 14 Below,Santa Monica-10pm
August 4:The Old Town Pub,Pasadena-9pm
August 11:Paladino's,Reseda-8pm(Also appearing: Led Zepagain AND Which One's Pink)
August 18: Hurricanes Bar And Grill, Huntington Beach-9pm

Thank You
Steely Fan Band

Edd....my head is hurting!

microtonally yours,

MC

back to birding....it's much simpler.

"That we a warm glow."

Denny....what were you thinking???

...and let's make it worse!

Use a pick to play a note on a guitar. The tension on the string increases until it overcomes the friction of the pick. At that point 2 things start happening: (1) The string starts to play at a certain frequency at the same time as (2) the tension is released as the vibration of the string becomes less and less. In other words, the pitch goes down over time. (I hear this all the time with drums!) And the harder you play, the higher the starting pitch.

That reminds me of a party at a relations house 15 years ago that got out of control. A middle-eastern gent was conjuring up *something* furiounsly in a metal mixing bowl. A nursing student roommate asked "what is that?" He replied "It's for my cold." I cracked up just having seen Crocodile Dundee...

fretless: super explanation. If you want to hear purer notes, let Mr. Chow tune your piano or Mr. Yamaha!!! Let the hair stand up...

Blaise: Of course! Down south of the border, Stanley is just a steamer. Just to touch greatness, it used to mean giving thanks. Now, it;s a way of fueling one's self-importance. From shining Lincoln's statue in Springfield, Illinois to licking the victory coke bowl at an SOB party. That reminds me of Richard Mulligan hysterically suicidal or better, dead way before Weekend at Bernie's. Too bad the middle 50% of the movie sucked...

Steely Dan battles against synth tunings, volume I:

http://www.steelydan.com/dennys.html

Howard

clas? ike? you are showing your age darling, but also a wonderful knowledge of american history - bravo!

Hey, this is right up my alley. Yes, listen to Howard and Edd- context is the key: the key is the context. There is another dimension of applied music [my favorite kind] important to note [!] regarding form, function, and physics. This is a long post- scroll now if you aren't interested in the distinction between "notation", "pitch", and harmonic environment.

First, there is a legal definition for musical tones. Look at any tuning fork and you'll see numbers as well as the letter for its musical designation. The most commonly used tuning fork is A=440hz, which, like Greenwhich Time, is an adopted standard guarded and defended by the American Federation of Musicians & British Standards. Don't mess with them, it could get ugly...

You can perform an oscilloscopic analysis of the vibrations- and, what will be displayed is, at best, "mostly A". The "pitch" will vary between 445.278 and 442.7219999999999hz, give or take a wiggle.

Inherent in the production of tone are variations due to the physics and mechanics of its source, and- as I'm getting at, its environment. If you hammer the tuning fork hard enough, the pitch will "wow and flutter" with a sine wave function of increasing frequency until it 'stabilizes' at 440hz. These things are meticulously constructed to minimize these variations- down to "insignificant" numbers, expressed as percentages of +/- .01 [way more than 'close enough for jazz']. Instruments and their parts are not- for good reasons which I'll skip.

The reason Donald would want to tweak synth/sampled voices to alter their pitch .0278% is to recreate the natural "stretch tuned" enivronment of an acoustic piano, which is not in perfect Federation Sanctioned Tune... it is in "tune" rather, with itself.
That is a horse of a different context.

Enharmonic notes [B, A-double sharp, C-flat] are all played with the same tuning fork! They are the same legally defined pitch. Now, repeat in your head all the "notation" stuff already eloquently expressed by Howard, Edd, et al. Howard explains that a violinist [or, smile, other fretless beings] will "play" them differently and I'm trying to tell you why: no natural instrument produces pure pitches without variation. Donald's sampled keyboards sounded STIFF- lifeless, unexpressive, sterile, cold, flat [as in sans depth, not 3 dimensional, 2D or not 2D, that was his question], though, these adjectives are mine- let's call them TOO perfect [which is an imperfection!].

An acoustic piano must be "stretch tuned" to compensate for the physics of a vibrating string, the harmonics produced, the acoustics of the cabinet [even the kind of wood used matters], variations in "velocity" [think of Rachmaninov and the sound of breaking strings], and the sounding of more than one note at a time! The art and science which is piano tuning is to maximize all variables simultaneously. Try juggling on a unicycle with a hula hoop going...

You could use an oscilloscopic tuner for every string and the piano might sound like shit! A good piano tuner uses combinations of single notes and chords, listening carefully to way the fundamental tones interfere within a harmonic environment; they unscientifically 'STRETCH" the standard hz-defined pitches by the qualities only their ears can discern. They ride it like the unicycle- artfully balancing, averaging, adjusting and re-calibrating; "in tune" will be a function of each instrument itself rather than "perfectly pitched" according to the rule book.

whew, indeed.

That said, you can appreciate the following distinction [I hope].

eLLe is correct! In western 12-tone music, they are the 'same note'. [we don't notate quarter tones but we sure play them. see below]

So is everone else! [well, except the assholes who try to vex her. Some people have shall we say stretched ideas of what constitutes fun? eLLe seems unvexable. Smart girl!]

When a violinist "humors" the notes, s/he is doing precisely the same thing that the piano tuner does... but, s/he is doing it to the orchestra! Yes! Legally, they are playing the WRONG note if they slip one of their little piggies +/- .0278% off the standard. According to our ears, they are playing very much the right note [right does not equal correct without context] and when they do this they may not be making a conscious effort. Think of riding a bicycle through a turn at a fairly good clip so that your bike is tilting into it... and you see a pothole... your brain goes through an extremely complex cascade of analytic compensatory calculations- you assess/react and re-react to that...

Finally, every one is correct in their context! Did I say that?

btw, eLLe, there is a B Sharp Jazz Quartet! I saw them at a Jazz Fest. They are these very young players playing homage to Jazz. Highly recommend.

Humor does belong in music [Frank Zappa was right]
Fretless

You fucks are really sumpthin

Blaise - you fuckhead - my nimber is 8 642 55 14 Can you remb tnat?

C

My namwe id Ingemar BREGAN!

do you know where your test is? hurry-hurry!

great song parody below - bowwty?

aus, check your e and critique away (i'm going to lose the parenthesis btw) - how did you like your card? - you must be more careful, my dear

ge, you still in?

A440 may be a standard, but the concept of stretch tuning would indicate that A55, A110, A220, A880, etc are not likely to be found on a "properly" (whatever that may mean) tuned instrument.

Donald has said he doesn't like synths because the tuning makes him feel like his head is being squeezed. I suspect that's from the simple multiply and divide algorithms in synths that DO force things like A110 or A880.

Edd is right! Howard is right too. I am fool beliving everything that is written.

Blaise - do you have a phone number?

Email atelje.lundkvist@swipnet.se

I am waiting!

C

Hoops - Great bodypainting link. Dr Dot is real hot stuff. It sure beats ASCII dildos. In that, you're absolutely right. And no insults yet on your guestbook. Of course, that's besides its very existence. In the end, it's always the idea of someone imposing a moral framework on the world, isn't it? Here, it's looser, less conservative. Well at least I thought so before I saw the porn link over there at your site.
Woo hoo

eLLe - It's all good, I said. Do you celebrate Canada Day wherever you are? Do you break out the maple syrup on this day and start weeping like a little baby? I know I do.

ole - an opossum is still an opossum in French. Is there a secret code to a third level layer of meaning behind this query? I look like a possum on that trading cards maybe... yeah

And the two lisas come back at the same time. hehe

Howard - It's not Melvin rolling almost every night, it's his brother Eldon. Si si, I swear.

Clas - I must confess I was stricken by a similar psychosomatic ailment, the same form of "agony" when looking forward to our scheduled duel in France. It's just that mine manifested itself much lower anatomically speaking. Judging from the evidence at hand, it's more like some acute form of "pelvic agony".
BTW, remember I was the FIRST card produced in the set there. A true collector's item, MINE is. hehe
Cut out and laminated, these are good for hours and hours of family fun and excitement spent re-enacting a typical GB morning. Try it. Print it out and distribute and don't delay!
y'all!!!
I'm back from veigh kay shun and you people talk about Glamour the whole time... no comment...
MU!!!
MU! The silver bowl is the championship trophy the player brings home to show off the locals. People would pay just to touch the trophy, never mind shine it. Made up of iron and/or brass,it usually shines behind a glass but this tradition of parading the trophy at parties and whatnot gives the local boys the opportunity. In the song, it's a timely indication that Hoops is successful, he's the champ at the time, he's on top of the world at the moment and has the damaged nostril vessels to prove it. It's a vignette of the pro sports and drugs universes colliding in the late seventies-early eighties. And one of my favorites bass grooves eva, enough said. Here, the parallel stories of Hoops McCann and Jive Miguel are grafted to the narrator's own experience. Like a movie highlight reel developping little sub-plots to better evoke the eseence of an era, a Zeitgeist.
Gina - I know you're out there. Gotcha!
(never fails)

Alrighty now, anyone I forgot?
Skully!!!
huh
later?

Edd, thank you for making me irrelevant in 25 words or less.

Howard, eLLe, Clas- And you know what else? B# doesn't always equal B#. It's all a matter of the temperament of the scale. Usually A440 is the anchor for any tuning, and octaves of A above and below are frequencies that are factors of 2 of 440, but there can be considerable variability in the way notes are spaced (tempered) in between. Conventions have sprung up (Bach thought he discovered a "well-tempered" one) but there's no universal solution to the problem. It has to do with things like what kind of overtones sound right, which can vary with musical style and the taste of the listener.

That's about the limit of my music physics knowledge--perhaps even over the limit. (Mu, I think that's your cue.) But the relevant point is that a C is not a C is not a C.

LisaG - I still have your "Peg Musings" email in my inbox and will someday create the Peg Vocal Chorus, v.LisaG in Cakewalk. But I haven't done it yet 'cause I've been too durn busy! Hope we can sing it soon!

Next posting: a modest proposal for a NE Corridor I-95 DanFest, in which I challenge LisaG to a MikeMcD-off.

...and to make matters worse, add the concept of stretch-tuning where octaves are increasingly sharp relative to the middle.

Soon you find out there really are no wrong notes, only alternatively correct ones.

I attend
Distress olfactions
Cellular byte counts
It's Friday's spleen
I drove a point home
Watchful for darkness while I scanned
Number one

AAMMMMMMMMM The ONE

Self-Enamoured confessions
No LA connection

Jolly good
I know your riddle game
Who despised feeble fools
That's my name you flamed

Jive Miguel
He's into Dr.Dot
E me at
midnight@mrChows
dotcom
Sexual scriblings
Just what big deal has been done
Dandom one?

sex oh mys!
And slight delirium
Digest delivery
By Hoops McKay
Brutal characters
Poured from the shadow where he yelled
Meaning well
He's a crowd pleasing man
On anons
He's courtyard Uberfan
Flashing his guest book
He's Uncle Jim again
When it's all over
We'll diss StAl from afar
We're a star

It's further protection
The "aa concession"
Loco bulls will send a shiver
Just to mind the slander role
"Living", "hardcore" takes its trolls

Medieval fun
Under the gun

All aboard
This celeb's carnival
Off to Bar boarders
Just for derides
Jim with his radar
Stalking the thread's moral feel
What's the deal
With his Orwellian strides?

eLLe - b# is not the same as C major. As Edd wrote, b# is a note, C major is a chord or key. Maybe you meant C natural - but this is still different to B#.

Edd, in his usual understated way, has already made most of the relevant points relating to this note naming business. To recap:

1. The choice of whether you write B# or C in a piece of music depends on the key of the piece.
2. B# and C are in fact different notes, but on even temperament instruments like the piano, you are forced to use the same pitch for both. A good violin player will actually play slightly different pitches for the two notes (it will actually sound better).

To expand a bit:

Whatever key you are in, you use each of the note names once and once only. You add sharps and flats etc to get the right sound. Everyone knows the C major scale : CDEFGABC - all the white notes of the piano, no sharps or flats.

G major scales is: GABCDEF#G

Although on the piano, F# and Gb use the same key, it would be *wrong* to write the Gmajor scale using Gb - you would have a Gb and a G natural in the same scale, and musicians would frown and start cursing you.

Similar thing with B# versus C - they are not interchangeable, but depend on the key or the context.

Similar issue with intervals like augmented (sharp) 4th versus diminished (flat) 5th. In C major, the 5th is G so the flat 5th is Gb. The 4th is F so the sharp 4th is F#. It would be wrong to swap the F# and Gb round even though they correspond to the same note on a piano (again, violin players play them differently)

It all sounds a bit weird at first, and on even temperament instruments you end up pressing the same key/fret anyway - but the concepts of the notes are different.

Phew.

Steveedan - the slow down functions are also available on Cool Edit. You can change tempo and keep pitch, keep tempo and change pitch or alter both. In some cases it can be useful, but you inevitably get processing artefacts appearing that can sometimes obscure the audio you were originally interested in.

I've actually used the *speed up* function a few times, believe it or not. Had problems with the very low and soft sounding bass on 2AN - speed it up - no problems!

LisaG - your comment about 7add6 chords has made my day! I couldn't agree more - there's a definite connection between mu chords and 7add6 chords. Mu chord harmony is "dissonance for beginners". 7add6 (or 9add6) is the advanced level. Both use a dissonant note added to a third, e.g:

C mu = C - DEG

the strong E-G third holds it all together, and the D-E dissonance livens it up.

C9add6 = C - EABbD

again, the C-E and Bb-D thirds hold it together, while the chilli-pepper A-Bb in the middle makes it "more interesting".

BTW - I think there's a general keyboard vs guitar split over 13th chords. Guitarists tend to consider only the 1st, 3rd, b7th and 13th as "essential". Keyboard players usually consider the 9th and 11th as also required. I don't think there's any "correct" definition.

Jazz players (I think) tend to go for more minimal voicings, so might drop the 9th and 11ths from 13th chords.

Howard

Steveedan wrote: "They are the same note. The notes sound the same. The difference would be based on the notation of the song. In some songs it would be more appropriate to have a B# while in other songs the C would be more appropriate. That's it."

On a fretless bass, violin or chello, for example, it's NOT the same thing.

WHen Fagen finnished his NIGHTFLY and was about to record the synths, he discovered that the synths did not had the ability to get tuned +0.002 (for example)

Theirfor the whole tech-crew with Nichols had to take a course at HP and learn how to tune the synths, I read it took 3 weeks.

C

yeah - Howard, I bought that Royal/AJA -soongbook early 80s. And then I've been playin by the book. Last nite Lena and I sat listening to that Crazy Cow bass-groove, and dammm you're right.

Lena are the steady partner, she has the real musical talent. Been singing in choires and shit.

Lisa G - yes isn't it cool, that POTQ-bridge? And playing the whole song, while singing, on an acoustic piano is pretty relaxing.

STEVEED - thanx - gonna look into it when it gets cooler. Amazing.

Listen to Edd:

"Actually, B# and C aren't the same note, but given the limited number of pitches most instruments can play, they're usually played using the same key/fret/etc."

For an violin, B# and C aren't the same note.

C

Actually, B# and C aren't the same note, but given the limited number of pitches most instruments can play, they're usually played using the same key/fret/etc.

Awww hell, the other half of my favorite comedic pairing passed away last night. Somewhere there's a pair of Grumpy Old Men once again having a pissing contest in a beat up boat. Rest in peace, Jack.

Actually, B# and C aren't the same note, but given the limited number of pitches most instruments can play, they're usually played using the same key/fret/etc.

GP melody is fairly typical SD. Dan melodies ain't ever overly good or original -- lots of them, stripped of the rich embellishments, sound like nursery rhymes. Most of the appeal, aside from unique lyrics, is from the novel chords and arrangements, meticulous care, and great soloing. And given equally dull melody lines, fast tempo always catchier than slow. For example, With A Gun or Charlie Freak vs. My Rival or GA, though I'll listen to the latter more because they're lyrically more cryptic and sonically richer.

For those birders out there....

At the Blackwater National Wildlife Refuge in Maryland there is a live cam perched next to an Osprey nest.

You can get to it by going to,

www.africam.com

Click on Osprey

Apparently the other day something was threatening the babies and the center was notified by the folks in Africa to go check it out. Mom and Dad Osprey were puffing themselves up to appear bigger....thats when the center got the call. Never did hear what it was.

Africam also has feed from many sites in Africa....with all types of animals.

How's everybody doing ?

Edd - I know you asked Howard to respond to your question about the difference between the note B# and C on the piano or guitar. They are the same note. The notes sound the same. The difference would be based on the notation of the song. In some songs it would be more appropriate to have a B# while in other songs the C would be more appropriate. That's it.

Now to Howard - In Black Cow, was it Victor Feldman's keyboard solo, not Joe Sample's? I'm sure you are right. I seem to make these mistakes alot. I also used to think that the guitarist in True Companion was Larry Carlton, but it was Steve Khan. So I thank you for the correction and I will try to be more careful in the future. I agree with your "jazz" triads for the intro and verse sections of Black Cow. I do not have a chord chart for the whole song, just for the "Victor Feldman" keyboard solo. To me there are many remarkable chords in the song, or should I say very cool piano voicings. Playing this song is like going to the candy store (or should I say stevie dan's record store?).

Did anyone see my chords for Pearl of the Quarter? I think that they are extremely accurate. And at the end of the phrase the progression goes ii - V - I (Dmin7 - G7 - C). I don't hear it as going from Dmin7 directly to C. If anyone missed my post and wants it let me know and I will email it to you.

Now I have a newsflash for those who have not heard of the software called "SlowGold". This software levels the playing field between the people with the great ears and the ones with the so-so ears for playing music by ear. This software can be downloaded at www.worldwidewoodshed.com. They offer a free demo version, the full version is $50.00. I wish that I had stock in this company, because after a few of you read this, you will at least rush to download the demo - I'm sure.

This software allows you to load in music - CDs, cassette tapes, MP3 files, Wav files, and more. Once loaded into SlowGold you can create loops of any duration (only 15 seconds in the demo version though). You can then "transform" the selected loop and slow down the music without changing its pitch (or key). You can also speed it up. You can also change the pitch. All of this is adjustable. Howard, Clas, Bway Steve, NYBill, and Lisa G I am thinking of you specifically.

If I had had this software when I was younger I would not be as good a "by ear" player as I am today, but, now that I have struggled and improved this ability over the years, a tool like this is a God-send. I was using it to hone the solo for Black Cow and in doing so, I learned that I had a few chord voicings wrong. I was very close and the typical listener probably wouldn't have known, but upon realizing my slight inaccuracy I immediately set up a couple of loops and nailed it in about 3 minutes. For the experienced and advanced "by ear" player, this tool will make learning tunes much more easy. It sort of feels like cheating.

You might be thinking "what good is a demo version that only allows you to slow down a 15 second segment of a song?" It makes for as compelling demo that's what good it is. Here is my case in point.

On the song from 2VN Gaslighting Abbie, there is that sax part that sounds a little incomprehensible. It is about 12 seconds long. I made a loop of this (when I only had the demo - I have since bought the full version and I am reaping huge benefits from it). I slowed it down to about 60 % of real time speed, was able to learn the part, practiced it at 60 %, then at 75 %, then at 100% (real time tempo), then to make sure that I could easily play it at 100%, I sped it up to 125% and played it at this quicker-than-real-life tempo. I had it down and it became easy to play.

I haven't played Gaslighting Abbie in a few months and I have since forgotten how to play this horn interlude part. The old me would have been very upset about this. But with SlowGold, it will only take me about 3 minutes to get it again. So it's no problem.

All musicians of all levels of proficiency should check this out. You can try it for free what do ya got to lose?

Tomorrow night the Steely Fan Band plays at the Crazy Horse in Irvine California at 8:30 PM. We're working on a web-cast kind of thing. Just something to look forward to.

Our set list is about 30 songs. I need to get some rest for tomorrow. Take care everyone.

Steveedan

Thanks for the return on Galmour Profession.
This is a really interesting cut. Very SD-like in many ways.

How others find this to be a poor offering is beyond me. It is musically rich and lyrically mystifying. The story it paints is so SD. It rings with the cynicism that is so much a part of Steely Dan.

-Paige

NMN--Hey! Stop playin' with my heart.

Howard--For the musically challenged (yrs truly), will you explain the difference between B# and C? Note or key? I am being serious, and I'm asking you because of your erudition and kindliness toward the subliterate.

Love all the GP stuff!!

Just finished "Lush Life," David Hajdu's magnificent bio of Billy Strayhorn (North Point, '96, out in paperback). It is very finely written and staggeringly researched--took him a decade to write. Now I have a new appreciation, nay, awe, at this embattled genius. The description of his first meeting with Duke Ellington is worth the price of admission. Please indulge me:

"Ellington, alone with his valet, lay on a reclining chair in an embroidered robe, getting his hair conked, eyes closed.
"'I introduced Billy, and we stood there,' said Greenlee. 'Duke didn't get up. He didn't even open his eyes. He just said, "Sit down at the piano, and let me hear what you can do."' Strayhorn lowered himself onto the bench with calibrated grace and turned toward Ellington, who was lying still. 'Mr. Ellington, this is the way you played this number in the show,' Strayhorn announced and began to perform.... 'The amazing thing was,' explained Greenlee, 'Billy played it exactly like Duke had just played it on stage. He copied him to perfection.' Ellington stayed silent and prone, though his hair work was over. 'Now, this is the way I would play it,' continued Strayhorn.....
"At the end of the number, Strayhorn turned to Ellington, now standing right behind him, glaring at the keyboard over his shoulders.... 'Wellll...' proceeded Ellington dramatically.... 'Can you do that again?' Brazenly (or naively) the twenty-three-year-old artist demonstrated both a crafty facility with his renowned elder's idiom and a spirited capacity to expand it through his own sensibility.... 'Billy was playing. Duke stood there behind him beaming, and he put his hands on his shoulders, like he wanted to feel Billy playing his song.'"

Whoa. Electrifying. Steely tie-ins: 1) the relationship of Ellington and Strayhorn was a unique, breathtaking synergy, not unlike that of Fagen and Becker. Also a misunderstood one--and I remember hearing a lot of misguided "So what good is Becker?" comments after "Nightfly." 2) By chance, I listened to "Can't Write Home About You" today, and that song could have been written about Billy Strayhorn. 3) "East St. Louis Toodle-oo."

Read the book. It's great.

Edd....yes, I do believe you're right! We saw some nice birds I've never seen here while we were in the mountains. Unfortunately, I didn't get any good pics of them.

ok folks, one more time....a composite shot of the farm with the GBT in the background along with a sky shot I took at the NRAO.

http://rockzz.com/jimdandy/GreenBankSciFi.html

Hmmmm... wouldn't C Major be a chord, not a note? Mayhaps C natural was meant?

While C and B# are typically played by pressing the same key on a piano, fret on a guitar, etc., wouldn't the proper name depend be relative to the key?

eLLe, your not actually that stupid, are you? Step aside,
Swami- she didn't get it. Anon- it's up to you, now.
Knock yourself out- but, see if you can post a little
something about Steely Dan every so often. Dueling
idiots. How droll.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
isn't that special...and your name would be.. ??
is it..Satan perhaps? :/

Howard? b# is C major darling.

Great trading cards! Are there only 3? That's all I could access on this dinosaur, anyway. Can I get a dominatrix card in the same spirit of THAT one of Blaisie?

Interesting discussion on "Glamour Profession", but I still hate the song. Too boring of a melody. "The Royal Scam" really needs the cheerful narcissism and uptempo beat (or whatever the proper musical term is!) of The Second Arrangement to balance it out.

Will e-mail you lp, I promise!

Aja

Can I be in the "babes gallery" - in a kilt ?

who can name that tune in six words?

playing KD for a moment, it was Reggis Lewis, not to mention Hank Gathers, who dropped dead on the court. Bias dropped in his dorm room after returning from Boston earlier in the day. it's a cliche by now, but like a lot of people, his sudden death stopped my likely progression up the controlled substances scale.

loving the Glamour Profession posts . . .

so when is the Outer Banks danfess?

From NRAO a few minutes ago:

"Mr. Talbott:

I am delighted that both you and your wife enjoyed your visit to Green Bank this week; it's heartening to know that you were so impressed with our facility. Thank you for forwarding your photo of the Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope. I'll be sure that it gets to the proper person here at NRAO.

Kind regards,

Charles Blue"

see, I told you there'd be "Byrds"! *hehehe*

H, Mike McD I think its October the 7th at the Apollo.
Ps: Not the one in Harlem??

teeehehehehehehheeeeeeeee Thomas!!!!!!!!

More birds, more birds!

a few pics from yesterday at NRAO in Green Bank, West Virginia

http://rockzz.com/jimdandy/GBT.html

http://rockzz.com/jimdandy/SunBeams.html

http://rockzz.com/jimdandy/SunBeams2.html

I know they're not birds, but I had a blast taking them. Hope you enjoy!

MC

Que?

Hey, my laryngitis is finally clearing up!

Clas-I love your POTQ chords! Lots of diminished beauties. Played it and it sounded so much better than my simple triads. That's what I get for playing in my drug-induced state last night.

Yes, Nyquil is over-the-counter. It makes me quite groggy the morning after.

Re: Black Cow, I think the bass notes that Howard refers to are the "melody" of the bass line. None of that is in reference to any other root but C. Sort of like an ornamental upper neighbor slide kinda thang. I would imagine this is best employed on a fretless, but I really don't speak guitar.
The 13 in a C13 is the "a," as in "bflat" is the 7th, "d" is the 9th, "f" is the 11th, and "a" is the 13th. As far as I've been taught, if the chord is written with the suffix 13, you need an 11th, too. I may be wrong. If I'm right then the chord would also have an "f." If you want the 9th and the 13th, but wish no 11th, then you would write it as a 6/9 chord.
Yes I think you are right about the Bb, but perhaps as Howard also points out, it does go back and forth to the triad. I usually play some assemblence of a C6/9. Actually we do this in Bb so I play a Bb6/9 with the occassional 7th added in for color.
I think the "7th/add 6" chords are kind of like "second generation" mu chords. Instead of clustering the 2nd and 3rd of the chord, these babies are 6ths and 7ths together. Although it would not follow the same intervallic relationship as the mu's use a whole step between 2nd and 3rd.

steviedan-thanks. It's good to be back. How's the teaching thing going for you?

NMN-Pedro who? Glad to hear that your leaving was a wee joke. Actually I think you were frightened when you heard that there is an exit exam from lp. Does that make her a proctologist of sorts?

Elle Gee

LisaN - that one was damn good on Aus! omg!

Bob, you came up to OC and didn't tell me? April's nephews are coming to LA next week from Indiana and we'll be making the trek down there ourselves. Idea: The El Rey Theater -- holds about 800.

eLLe, your not actually that stupid, are you? Step aside, Swami- she didn't get it. Anon- it's up to you, now. Knock yourself out- but, see if you can post a little something about Steely Dan every so often. Dueling idiots. How droll.

clas- it was great speaking to you as well. i will never get over how hilarious you can be in a language that is not your mothertongue.

steveedan- not another lisa! this threatens to be as unsettling as the whole debacle surrounding your handle. i will try to avoid confusion by becoming lisaN (miss jackson if you're nasty). glad to help w/ the mp3.

everyone please enjoy the newest trading card featuring mister aussie torres. now who wants to be next??

http://www.geocities.com/showbizkid/banyan_tree_babes3.html

blaise come home, we miss you...

Clas - yes, check it out. I'm pretty sure it starts on a high C and quickly moves up to D before dropping back to the low C.

On the piano demo, Donald plays a mixture of [high C to low C] and [high C to D to low C] in the left hand during the intro.

Howard

With almost completely mirrored walls.

Oh, and it was an incredibly tiny place, and we left an hour or so before midnight.

Bob - you're talking about Walt Disney and Donald Duck.

That make sense.

C

Don't mind Clas. He's from Barcelona.

Steveedan - I'd love to have Victor Feldmans solo. Email above.
And what the hell is Raelians?

Howard - hey man, I'm confused, are you saying the Black Cow-bass-groove is going up to D? Hell, I thought I had it all figured out now after my siesta, now I have to drag myself back home again!

StAl - I don't wanne work here anymore!

C

I was taken out to Mr. Chow's on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills for my birthday recently by my soulmate. A few minor celebs, like a host from Hard Copy, in there. They didn't seem to know my name. The Dumplings were good though. Not cheap -- $30 for the plate.

Aussie, lisa G, everyone:

That was a joke. Repeat, a joke. I've been here since '96 and I ain't going anywhere.

Above-mentioned, plus LadyB, YGK, Daddy and Kenny G--whirlwind NY visit this time (back 2 Boston today--rushing back to provide medical assistanc to Pedro, we got a pennant race to attend to) so no time for DOMC hi-jinks this time, but hope to do it soon....

Anon: what's wrong with b sharp? It's a real note, along with Fb, G##, E# and lots of others.

Dano - any info you can point me to on the Mike M gig?

Thoughts on Black Cow chords:

at the beginning of the verse, I hear a triad that moves up and down against a C bass. This may be part of the reason we are coming up with different C13 and C6 type chords.

I hear right hand playing [Bb D G] and [C E A] against the C bass. Sometimes the [C E A] has a top C on it as well. With the C bass, this gives C9 for first chord and C6 for second.

When I play it on the guitar I follow this moving triad pattern, though I hear the C9 (C - Bb D G) as the "overall" chord.

Only other chord of note is on "saw your face". I used to play Ebmaj7, but I now think it's Ebmaj6/7 - spelled Eb G C D (I'm sure we discussed this one a few months back).

Clas - for the bass I hear:

brief C, D, low C low C
brief G, A, low C, low C

I need to try your POTQ chords (Clas and Lisa) though they both seem to make sense pretty much. It's that classic steely trick of descending half-step bassline with triads in the right hand that shift ever so slightly (cf Deacon Blues and Peg intros).

Stevee - isn't it Victor Feldman that plays the keyboard solo on Black Cow? On the making of Aja I'm sure that's what D+W say - they also mention that the solo was done on the tracking date, not as an overdub.

Those moving 3-note clusters near the end are very nice. Would love to try what you have for this - can you mail it to me? Havn't sat down to work them out, but I'd lay bets that it's another favourite SD trick of mixing simple lines in 3rds with an extra note that adds half-step or whole step dissonances (usually at the bottom). Lots of examples of this (descending stuff over C bass in Aja when the guitar solo starts, I got the News riff, keyboard interlude on B. Sisters at end of the chorus). BTW - I sent you my chord voicings for that BSisters bit, did you have a chance to check them out?

Howard

RE: Donald and Walt

My soon to be 4 year old was dying to meet Donald.....so i finally agreed and we went up to Walt's place last week. Donald was cordial and itroduced us to most of his friends who were very cool, especialy Pluto and Minnie.

New Frontierland was a standout, as well as What a Beutiful World This Could Be After All.

Thank you's to those I must thank. Playing Steely Dan music is fun. Get it? I hope not. This place would sure get boring if everyone did.

My victory over the Science Fiction mouse is tainted as I can't get the sight of his little face out of my mind. Pretty out , huh?

lovebob

seriously, thanks!

Nyquil - is that cool? Or is it just an over-the-counter shit?

C

Lisa G - yeah, what did I say, am I unconcentrated or what? Okay, this is how I play the great bridge in Pearl of the Quarter.

left hand / right hand (Piano):

G# / B E

G / G Bb C# E

F# / A D

F / F G# B D

E / G C

Eb / Eb Gb A C

D / F A C D

C / E G C

Sounds good to me. Try it!

And for that C13 chord in Black Cow,

right hand voicing:

Bb G A C

(6 + 7 = 13 ?)

---

See you,

C

this time she was named "rosie" appropriately and i just had to call her rose darlin' before she sautered back into the crowd at saturday's outdoor gig. she had heard our version of "hey nineteen" and 2vn was playing on the p.a. as she walked up. apparently she has attended several sd shows and felt a strange "sense of belonging" as if among fellow alien abductees. i assured her that i "understood"...

mu, i went to b's on at least one occasion. i'm attempting to mentally reconstruct the route to venters. research continues...

mc, there may be no more contras to help me with the hostages. surveillance continues... as does polishing of the birdwatching specs... ole, a thumb goes up, a car goes by... hitchin' a ride...

jim#, mighty sharp fest reportin' chief.

lisa g, great to see you back.

angel, too.

after carefully weighing various tribute effectivenesses, i would either like to hear big band treatment by rob mcconnell, maria schneider, bob florence (aka the gil evans-ization of sd) or a "pickin' on steely dan" installment in the "pickin' on..." bluegrass tribute series. stranger things HAVE occurred ! their banjo/mando-tentacles have reached to the doobie brothers and james taylor. funny chords don't throw these cats. actually they are not the best in the genre and i'm sorta kidding, but what a novelty that would be. you know, in the vein of "101 strings do steely dan". these types of tributes might help me determine the five least...

another gb ? no time...

we just got back from a couple of days in the mountains of West Virginia....got to check out a couple of things I'd really been wanting to see. First was a chance to ride the Cass Scenic Railroad, an old coal fired steam locomotive up the mountain. Beautiful scenery with lots of history and abundant wildlife.

Second, and most important, was to scope out my (hopefully) place of future employment. Still need the five more years with Goodyear but then look out Green Bank, here we come! We spent a good deal of time at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, West Virginia today. What a marvelous place and what an opportunity for me to combine so many of my hobbies and technical experience all in one job! Anyway, I took this pic of the big dish from over a mile away. The dish measures 100 meters by 110 meters so you could more than fit an (American) football field inside the diameter of the dish! It's really awe inspiring. I love the way the Sun was hitting the dish in this pic but the farm in the foreground wasn't lit as brightly.

http://rockzz.com/jimdandy/GBT.html

We talked to the administrative secretary after the tour and it looks good for getting a job here after I leave Goodyear. They actually need a lot of help right now but I need to get the time in with Goodyear to keep the all important medical benefits and have a nice pension to supplement whatever money we would make pursuing our "dream" jobs. Hopefully, there'll be more pics of our mini-vacation along with more bird and wildlife pics in the coming days.

it's good to be back home!

MC

Q: Donald Fagan and Walter Becker are the core members of the band..
A. Chicago
B.Yes
C.Steely Dan
D.Boston

hey Heftybag and DrBag weren't we just talking about this last night? Psychic TV!

BREAKING NEWS...!!!!!

clas is NOT allowed in Spain!

I repeat " clas is NOT allowed in Spain"

Back to you, Manolo, for the Sports wrap- up.

Reale Madrid 6

Betis 22

Hello, angel! Hope you're having a heavenly time in MA.

eLLe-yo, yo, girlie. Not often do people call me shorty, but I am the runt in my family. And I think you are, in fact, taller than me. By one inch maybe? Get that camera shooting for some more nature. That goes for you, too, Edd and MC. I missed seeing the raccoon.

Stevee-thanks for the info on Oscilloscope. Alright I'll scroll back and actually write it down so I don't embarrass myself at the Vitamin Shoppe tomorrow. Already spent 14 bucks on herbal tea remedies, there. Nothing in the works for me. I'm not that creative. I'm teaching and coaching all music at two summer camps. Can't get enough of those kiddies. And the band plays once every two weeks or so. We're adding more horn power tunes to our sets. More organ for me, yippee! Actually I was thinking about you the other night. My keyboard does not have weighted keys and frankly, I don't really like the action (action? what action?) of the keys on my ESQ. Someday, when I have the bucks, right after I by myself a nice portable digistudio (yeah, right), I think I'll invest in a controller with better action and buy a sound module. For now, I have to use the old equipment that was state of the art when I was a teenager.

Clas-I know I should drag out the CD, but if POTQ is in the key of C, then shouldn't the beginning chromatic descent in the bass start on flat six, or A flat? Not A sharp?

Works for me in lowest terms (that's without any sevenths):

Ab#5
And

C/G
if you

D/F#
hear from

Dm/F
my Lou-

C/E
ise, won't you

Cdim/Eb
tell her I

Dm
say he-

C
lo!

There's your half-step bassline. Beauty, ain't it?
Correct me if I'm out of my mind. Oh darnit I'll just listen to it.

LG

Greetings all from beautiful bug infested New England. The things my mind forgets over a 21 year period....

Yes, I did indeed manage to find the infamous dog catcher and her scurvy brother. Thanks LP and NMN for a fabulous lunch in a very historic part of Boston. LP, you have nothing to worry about, your mind was "with it" quite enough for me. I can just imagine what it would have been like, if she had had it all with her. Yes, NMN ended up without his money and could not pay the incredible bill we ran up. Glad that you managed to catch a later flight and so sorry our time was so short. Thanks again to you both. I go onward with good memories. Peace, love and Dan.

Snakehips: I did say hi for you. Sorry we missed picking you up on the trip over. :-)

Lisa G: I heard that you are back to posting on the GB and did manage to see one on my way in just now. Missing your wonderful sense of humor here. Hope your summer is starting off well.

Blaise: Heading your way next....

Hope all is well with everyone else. It has been hard without a computer these last few days. Talk about going cold turkey....

Later....

The Boston Rag....

YO YO Elley G!!! yo shorty!!!
Hey how you doing lady?
I have been taking lots of photies on the digi-cam lately, yes,
and have been getting some nice colours and fx's etc.
: ))) good to see yah!!!

this just in(as cyn would say)...

regis just posed the following question:

donald fagen and walter becker make up the core of which of the following bands?

a)steely dan
b)boston
c)chicago
d)yes

the contestant used her lifeline to ask her brother. her brother
was 60% sure the answer was a)steely dan.

the contestant took home $32,000.

and lost points with me.

Hi GE - I cannot take credit for the Len Bias fact. It was W1P who said that. And it makes a lot of sense. This kid gets a great pro contract, parties his last week (I think of college) and then collapses on the basketball court. Huge wake up call to all the partiers of America. I doubt that this event changed a lot of people's partying habits though.

A chord chart for Glamour Profession? I am working on that right now, but it is on the back burner while I play with the Steely Fan Band. I want to see the SFB play that one live, with and without me, so, it might be a while before I have this one together. I used to play this song all the time back a few years, but a song as challenging as that one causes the player to atrophy if it is not practiced all the time. True Companion is like that too. It's a use it or lose it kind of proposition.

To Lisa G - are you working on anything interesting? Let us know.

Howard - I was going to say that "Change of the Guard" from CBAT was a lesser liked song of mine, but then I thought of the guitar solo in that song with all of those Mu chords underneath the solo, and, well, here we go again. I am still thinking !!

Clas - beware the Raelians - you are their type. You might even be bumped up ahead of our Berklee Doctors Don and Walt. And beware of the leather spanker. Your sternum will thank you for it.

Lady Bayside - thanks for the additional info on Stealin' Dan out your way.

Lisa - thank you again for the mp3 file for our singer, whose name is Lisa also (also is not her last name ...).

That was great. The bounty of the GB is a cornucopia of treats of many delightful varieties. Take a bite before it bites you.

Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)

A couple of quasi-related thoughts on the Glamour Profession thread.

1)The lyric:

Local boys will spend a quarter
Just to shine the silver bowl

to me rings true of the approximate cost of an "8 Ball" of coke being $250.00 or "a quarter of a grand" in the late 70's early 80's. Shining perhaps related to that last finger wipe before putting the last bit on the upper gums.

2) to Marv Albert-I think SteveeDan was pointing out Len Bias in general as the wake up call to the drug abuse among basketball players at the time. Bias died in 1986, long after Gaucho came out but drug use was rampant in the NBA and college at the time and was the dirty little secret the league didn't want us to know. Obviously, Don and Walt had an idea.

Shout out to all the chatfreaks and see ya around.

Peace

GE

Can anyone post the chords to "Glamour Profession"? Now that would be a treat.....

Great discussion of Glamour Profession! Just a few comments to add.

1. I interpret "celluloid bikers" as the fashion "theme" for "Friday."

On the town
We dress for action
Celluloid bikers
Is Friday's theme

2. I don't know how to describe this musically, but just before the start of each verse, there's a one bar interlude with a slow roll on the snare. I always thought that this little intro into the verse sounded like the musical expression of snorting a line of coke -- a little pick me up before the next round of activities.

3. Mr. Chow is a chinese restaurant in L.A., so I think the dumplings are real food.

Let's do more of this!

Hi Lisa G - For immediated non-narcotic relief from cold symptoms I use a homeopathic product that you can get a Long's, Ralph's, Pavilions, etc. called OSCILLOCOCCINUM (oh-sillo-COX-enum). It runs around $12.00, has 6 viles of medicine in it. The contents are to be poured from the vial into your mouth and under your tongue (sublingally). It tastes like granulated sugar candy. Pour it under your tongue. Let it dissolve by itself, do not spread it around your mouth. Take no less than 3 dosages per cold, sometimes 6 or 9 dosages. Always take it in threes, and allow at least 6 hours between dosages.

This stuff really works. What it does (for me) is it stops the cold symptoms right where they are and moves toward the final symptoms and ends your cold. In other words, your cold won't be as severe, and you will get over it a lot quicker.

I always keep it in the house. This stuff is safe enough for small children, so don't worry. Just get off the GB and go get it. Every minute you wait, the cold hole you are digging will get deeper. oscillococcinum will stop the cold cold !!!

Trust me - Dr. Stevee(Kildare)Dan

'sup, sistuh? You bein' sharp? LOL!

(Ok, now I'm being obnoxious. Apologies, people.)

No seriously, eLLe, how've you been? Take anymore lovely nature shots?

Lisa G

Let the flames begin.

Clas, I meant "f" as the 11th (not sharp 11th, and not flat 13, either). I don't hear an 11th at all. The 13 would be flat anyways if the notes you are referring to is an "a," right? I don't hear the 11th so I wouldn't call it a 13th chord. I would simply name it C6. There may or may not be a 9th, in either case it is either C6 or C6/9. Geez, now I gotta go listen to it again.

Anyone have a favorite drug for head congestion and throat pain that is not NYQUIL? That stuff makes me so damn groggy, I've forgotten how to drive.

S c a r y.

LG

Hi Clas!

RE: Black Cow, my 2 pence

I like your progression, except for the C13. I'm assuming you mean flat13 (f). I hear a C6, plain and simple. Maybe I've got the bass on the mind.

Speaking of basements...Also agree with Howard, POTQ bass-line moves down in half-steps from A# (My God! There's an A #, too! You mean an ENHARMONIC spelling of Bb!! [Sorry about that, Clas. I couldn't resist an anon-flame moment. Hope you didn't mind.]) The gorgeous descent of the bass-line below the melody has always made that a pearl of a song for me.

Man, I love these guys.

As far as one song that I can hardly stand to hear...I can do without Barrytown. It has that special lack of grace: Bullwinkle complains while obnoxious synths and an annoying melody dance with a boring groove. The bridge is the best part of the song, and that's not saying much.

Hoo-boy. Up until today, like Stevee, I couldn't really think of one song that I disliked.

Anyway, some housekeeping.

cara mia-Susan Werner is a favorite of Daddy G and me. He played on a recital of hers at Temple U. He even admitted that he wanted to ask her out, but he felt he was a little young (18, at the time). I've met her--she is a goddess, and what a musician with a voice and talent that can't be matched. So gracious. Certain divas in the music biz could learn a thing or two from her about respecting your audience.

steviedan-Barrueco has a duets album out! This I gotta hear.

YGK-say it isn't so. News gets to me rather slowly. Sorry to hear about TD's break-up, but it can only mean bigger and better things ahead.

NMN-you can't go, too. Oh brother! Where are all the people going? You mean I leave for a few weeks and my favorites are all signing off? Well not all my favorites, but still. Alright, from this moment on, no one, I repeat, no one is allowed to leave this GB without a certified exit exam and a note from lp. We don't just hand out diplomas here to anyone.

You can check out any time you like, but...

Lisa G

Marv Albert,
Take care of your teeth, man. And there's a great lingerie sale at Macy's.

And we should care because......?

Yo Swami.. that would be "you're" ahem, not good at it.

Be Sharp?? no one got it.. not even the anonymous MORON..
Moron! jeeese and they tell me to lighten up!

WIP- I think it was life in Boston before Len Bias. That's who drafted him out of U Of Maryland. Not LA. Where's KD when you need him?

The tremors from the East affected live in the West

no silly aussie, he's just kidding - we just had a lovely lunch (though my mind is way too much in work, so angel, if i appeared out of it, i have had alot on my dog catchin mind lately, so i'm in wheatena world now) at the infamous Durgin Park and i covered for him, figuring we would have lunch again - it all evens out in the end - besides, he's on his way to new york right now, so your phone should be ringing too - when are you coming up here for lunch with us btw? - call me soon!

okay, have a nice night all.....

ge? malc?

Glamour profession contains one of the finest works of art ever performed on a 6 string Fodera bass by Anthony Jackson, a blinder of a guitar solo by steve Khan and the immortal ironic Donald Fagen "thats my claim to fame" line - what more do you guys want - harmomelodics ??

WIP- I think it was life in Boston before Len Bias. That's who drafted him out of U Of Maryland. Not LA. Where's KD when you need him?

enimen: Huh? You're leaving the GB forever?? Uhhhhhhhh. Let me know next time you're in the city brother...k?

NegativeGirlLisa: Was never able to open the attachment last night.

Floridavid: See comments above for neggie.

SpiderKingBeemer: What happened to you?

Aus

HEADS UP AUSSIE LURKERS!!!!!!!

Steely Dan Live at the Sony Studios NY finally to be shown on Aussie TV.

AUSTAR'S FOX 8 Wednesday 9.30pm

Anon: Listen, if your going to get you're rocks off by picking on eLLe's B-sharp, please try not to look like a bigger moron by failing to mention "you're" having been used in the wrong pretext. I mean, context. I mean, your worse, your so small. Try again?

eLLe- don't mention it.
I mean, don't respond to you're flamers. Your not good at it and it feeds there fires. Seek peace, my children.

enharmonically,
The Swami