Sign In Stranger Archives -- June 2002

| C | Day: 30

Go to bed now Stevee, I know you find it hard to sleep tonite, but try.

| Steveedan | Day: 30

"You sexistic ass" - says it all don't it. Would you like another slice of pie?

| And really,; | Day: 30

Molly - "More then likely many would not agree with me, and we'd have hard feelings over a difference in our points of view. I wouldn't change my belief system, and neither would they. We'd just be in conflict..."

I find this interesting.

So why are we here?

| C @ W | Day: 30

Steeve, you are telling Molly what to do and what not to do. Would you do the same with your male pals... ?

I don't think so.

You sexistic ass.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 30

Molly - great, I must say you have a lot of integrity. Be cool.

(I use dr ¦ when it comes to things I don't know shit about, but I don't need him to tell me what happens when the brain swells. That was about that)

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SteeveDan - "...horny chick who's had too much to drink at the company party...".

Wow man, you really unmask your sexistic ass when you get upset, don't you? I think you owe Molly an apology.

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¦ - cut and paste? Look who's calling the kettle black!

In Europe John Pilger is a very wellknown journalist. I am not surprised you haven't heard of him in Texas.

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Gina! - I am lost, could you email me?

LP - honey, I am lost in the woods / I am flying blind / I am floating in an ocean / with people / who's not my kind... ring ring, ;-) ;û( :-|

Hint hint, my email address is above.

| Steveedan | Day: 30

Molly - it wasn't meant as an insult, but rather a heads up. (Don't look for the hidden sexual meaning in that ... there is none.) Unless I am reading it wrong, it looks like the Swedish fool accused you of living in a place where people are stupid and iliterate. And he accused you of the same? When you are nice to jerks, all you end up with is being around jerks. I am sorry if the drunk office floozy line insulted you, but I believe that if someone said that to you in person you would not respond with "What would you like for me to contribute Sugar?". I would think you would more likely be "slapping the shit out of someone" who treated you rudely. I could be wrong, then again, I don't understand the (lack of) etiquette that exists in posting boards.

I know of some of the challenges that you face in daily living. I respect you for that. That hasn't changed. Not everyone has the guts to deal with that sort of thing day in and day out. IMHO I feel that there is a difference between just being nice and taking all comers (again, no double entendre intended).

Take care

| Bill | Day: 30

Hutch,

My favorite SD snippet is...

* The guitar intro from "Don't Take Me Alive". This piece
represents the aspect of Steely Dan that I like the most and
is part of modern music folklore by now. EVERYONE knows who
they're listening to when they hear that intro. The first few
notes are drawn out with a mild bit of distortion at the end,
pure genius! The notes then struggle and strain to lift themselves
as the emotion builds and the song begins to soar. Finally the
notes almost float gently back down as if carried on the breeze
as we hear Donalds voice kick in.

What a timeless piece of popular music history this song is.

| Let's start again, please. | Day: 30

It finally happened. Nice people have begun to insult one another. Is everyone satisfied, now?

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 30

I flirt with Aus?

| last thingy | Day: 30

Otley: Walk the Dog and Light the Light - you should purchase that one and notice some leanings toward a Dan sound...

| ╡ - outta here | Day: 30

post 2946: If I may say so you owe Molly an apology...godknows I've got other things to do than moderate (so, yes I'll go back to them)..."honey" and "sugar" are Southernisms of persuasion here, not of attraction - a way of responding to and contrasting with the bile in 2933... For example if a child is yelling, then if a parent whispers in response (...or an oar against the back of the head) can be effective way of handling the disruption...

| Otley Oregano | Day: 30

Being a professional paranoid, I'm always looking for connections.
I just read some of the Laura Nyro biography just published and here's the LN- SD connection.
She recorded an album at River Sound, produced by Gary Katz, using Bernard Purdie and Elliot Murphy called "Walk The Dog", using Wayne Yurgelun as engineer.
OO

| Molly | Day: 30

SteveeDan, I'm beginning to think you are the one who's had too much to drink. This is the second time in less than a month that you have said something crude and insulting to me. I let the first time go because I thought we were friends, but don't push it! I don't feel the need to justify my behavior to you or anyone else. I flirt, it was intended as just harmless kidding. I thought it was no different than Aja with her brush, LP and Aussie, Gwen and lcpaul...... I try to live by certain standards. I believe that treating a person with kindness is the best way to live. As I said to you earlier, it is easy to be good to people that you like,even criminals do that! I don't want to get into my spiritual beliefs with you here.... I do try to live by the tenets set forth in the Bible. It wasn't always that way for me. Again, this is not the place for that sort of discussion. I do struggle with my temper, and what I know is the right way to behave. Many times I have had to hold onto something to refrain from slapping the shit out of someone. I will not partake in this childish pissing contest you guys are having. I have better things to do with my time. I will tell you that Clas not said anything as vulgar to me as your recent remarks.M

| Steveedan | Day: 30

First you insult me, then you ask me another question. You really have some serious social problems Clas. You have absolutely no legitimacy here. You no longer get any kind of dignified response from me on anything, except when you insult me for no reason. St. Al has an respectable rule about not barring people who do not hide behind an anonymous post. I at this point, and many times in the past, however, do not find anything of value in these childish posts of yours. I was hoping that St. Al would start editing you so that you could see yourself as others do. How hard is it to hit "delete" once in a while?

How did you like the shit pie, Clapse?

Molly - what are you doing? You are starting to sound like the horny chick who's had too much to drink at the company party? Why are you doing this? You are not at all like this in chat or live on the phone? What gives?

| W1P | Day: 30

A head's up on an appearence of our friend Mike Keneally in Holland. Last night MK and his band whipped out Astronomy Domine for folks in San Diego and I predict he'll do the same in Holland. This guy is a player who is not to be missed! http://www.keneally.com

Mike Keneally Band
Friday, July 12, 2002
6:30 p.m. - 7:45 p.m.
Day ticket: 50 Euros, 3-Day ticket: 125 Euros
North Sea Jazz Festival
Congress Center, Mondriaan Hall
Churchillplein 10, The Hague
The Netherlands

| ╡ | Day: 30

Hutch: That's the ultimate subject. Where can one start...or better, where does one end?

YGTII: The intro and time change

Turn That Heartbeat Over Again: instrumental break, especially in interplay of the plastic organ with guitar (a bit like the Bad Sneakers moment)

The intro to Springtime ( too bad about the rest - where's an overanxious engineer with an itchy erasure finger when you need one)

Book of Liars: Bob Shephard sax solo, especially off thos out of left field keyboard chords

Negative Girl: guitar outrro, viber solo, modem sound, train sound

What a Shame About Me: the swinging intro

Gaucho: outtro

The Last Polka by Ben Folds Five: check out the spastic butOmartian-like outtro piano solo extrapolating from the famous Throw Back the Little Ones outtro

SteveE: the Pilger article was a cut and paste job:..you can connect the dots...

http://pilger.carlton.com/print

He's a well-published on the edge photo and print journalist. The Goebbels comment is absolutely unprofessional and truth-impaired (not that we expect anything less of the post-modern journalist)...Israel's major mistake currently is fighting a Vietnam-style (calibrated) type of war. They've had plenty of opportunity recently to kill or exile the insanely clever thug Arafat and send a message ameliiorating the futile cycle of violence. Note that when Netanyahu (sp?) stood firm, there were virtually no suicide bombers...when Arafat was given in good faith everything they wanted by Perez and Clinton - Arafat backed off and the bombings started...the principles outlined by Blair and W are correct, but I'm afraid it's to the point where Arafat must go and then Sharon should resign as well...

Mr. Pilger conveniently forgets the billions we are pouring in to rebuiild Afghanistan

An Israeli (forgot his name) has proposed a mini-Marshall plan for the region to develop countries without oil in the Middle East such as Jordan...and elections

| Molly | Day: 30

Clas, Yes darlin we have books and teachers here in Ky! What would you like for me to contribute Sugar? The Dan isn't touring. They have always taken their sweet time creating music......I have asked others about their current listening habits and that sort of thing to no avail. I could bore everyone to death with the process of fusing glass, or blowing glass. I could relate how I encounter assholes on a weekly basis, who say cruel things to my Son and the other children with disabilities. I can tell you of parents that treat their children with less concern and love than most of us would give to a pet. I could give you my opinions about current events. More then likely many would not agree with me, and we'd have hard feelings over a difference in our points of view. I wouldn't change my belief system, and neither would they. We'd just be in conflict. I deal with enough conflict in my Advocate work, I try to avoid it whenever possible. I visit the Banyan pages as an outlet.... I live in a very tiny town, with people who are rather narrow-minded. The circumstances of my life requires me to be rather guarded with most folks.
There are web sites devoted solely to Steely Dan's chords, Steely Dan's lyrics ect.. I suggest that you visit them if you find us so tedious... Moreover, you could just scroll past the postings that bore you. I do!

Stevee Dan, babe i'm an equal opportunity flirt. It's easy to be nice to people that you like. Much more difficult to express kindness to those who are not very likable.

Thanks again to all of you who gave me the lovely Birthday Messages. It was very kind of you all.

Be peaceful and Loving my friends M

| Gina | Day: 30

howdy. Steviedan from Cary, sooooo nice to see you here :-)
that's all i had to say, really.
plus i'm real anxious to hear the TMcomp 2002.

hey Hutch! got something lined up to come your way :-)

okay, off again .. C, see you you know where,

Banyan Tree I-tunes and smooth jazz is nice Bow,
G.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 30

Steeve Dan - help with chords? Mmmwwwhhaaaahahaha!

And take a look at mr Pilgers homesite, he's a wellknown and respected journalist.

And what do YOU know about Israel/Palestina, Steeve?

| Hutch | Day: 30

Clas - I said saddened. I didn't say devastated.

I'm not wasting any more of my time with this.

We did this a while back... anyone have favorite "snippets" in Dan Songs?
I like the piano backing on the guitar solo to Bad Sneakers a lot.
I also like the descending horns in My Old School on the line "California tumbles into the sea". The bari sax hitting that low note at the end is priceless!

Midnite - I saw The Who at Carter-Findley Stadium too. That was some show! The sound quality was incredible wasn't it?

| lp, earl gray? | Day: 30

hey all

can you believe i have another fbi story from bar harbor?

after my negotiation session and getting to know my councilors (10 to 3), i stroll down to the dock to relax a bit before the 300 mile drive home - obviously, i stand out in a suit amongst the tourists - but then this guy in a suit comes up to me all confused and says, "hey, can i see your badge?" - i laughed and said, "not again!" i said "look, i'm a planner, trench government, really low on the bureaucratic food chain, not fbi", and he said "well, you look fbi, you should work for us".....so we chatted about the security around the cruiseliner in the harbor and he went on his way

scully, are you listening, where art thou?

they met my demands but one, one more hurdle to get through before i celebrate - will let you know

and i got a parking ticket right in front of town hall, paid it immediately before leaving - don't want to start out on the wrong foot before i start

my husband's feeling homesick for our house here, hmmm, great...all i need

on the cd player for the long drive - 2vN and other things

log date is february 30, 2002 - uh, okay, woops

| Steveedan | Day: 30

Did I make myself clear in that last post?

| Steveedan | Day: 30

Clas you are a jerk: "Steveedan - how can it be that a boring, middleclass-Joey with no exciting features whatsoever, becomes a rock-fan? A Who-fan? A fan of Steely Dan, who wrote the most subversive lyrics of any kind? ... Stupid no-bodies. ..."

Does this mean something? So we now know that a little syphilitic baby brain lives in the body of a 47 year old man. That explains a lot.

Steve Martin (when he was still primarily a stand-up comic) said it best:
Clas - Die you gravy sucking pig.

FaceTheFace - I know how much you love the Who. I know exactly how you feel. Session bassist Pino Paladino is filling Entwistle's lead boots (to take this long, long ride). Paladino has done a ton of session work including sessions with Eric Clapton, Stevie Nicks, B.B. King, and many more. I am sure that he will play many of the signature licks of the Ox. This tour just became a tribute tour. ( I don't mean ... as in tribute bands ...)

John Pilger - give us a break! You could have saved a lot of time and space by simply saying that you donÆt know a frickinÆ thing about Israel. Take your ridiculous post and shove it ... up ClasÆ Asses. (HeÆs gotta have more than one, right gang?)

Molly û donÆt flirt with Clas. I agree with Bill. I wouldnÆt piss on him either à big waste of urine.

Clas will calm down eventually and pretend like he didn't insult everyone around here, and ask for help on chords, or clarification on this and that.

It's clear that this miscreant thrives on negative attention. So here ya go, ya turd. Take a huge slice of the shit pie that we are all serving up nice to you. We want to see that plate licked clean.

Stevee(GO FUCK YOURSELF CLAS !!!)Dan

| C @ W | Day: 30

Just A Thought - you wrote; "...how many Swedish-Americans gave up thier..."

It should be; "...how many Swedish-Americans gave up their..."

| Just a thought | Day: 29

Clas,

If Sweden is so great, how many Swedish-Americans gave up thier
American citizenship and moved back to Sweden last year?

I'd venture to say, NOT A FUCKIN' ONE!

Your application for U.S. citizenship can be picked up at the
local U.S. embassy in Stockholm. Well what the fuck are you
waiting for jackass?

| C @ W | Day: 29

Hoops - thanks for letting us promote the Techicolor Motorhome CD, "Steely Knifes" at the Blue Bore!

mwahahaha...

| C @ W | Day: 29

Hutch - and your point is what?

My point is; you can't be seriously devastated over some strangers (John Entwistle) death.

And if I was devastated, this board certainly would NOT be the right place to be.

(then, if you or someone else here has a heart condition or not isn't relevant)

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Molly, I don't know if you have books in Kentucky, but please, "ask dr Mu"?

(bye the way, Hoops bought over the fake doctor to the Blue Bore)

You don't have to be a halfbrother to Einstein to understand what happens when "the brain swells", do you Molly?

And peace love and understanding is probably a good thing, but don't you have ANYTHING else to bring to this board, dear?

| oleander | Day: 29

Gypsy Queen--Don't give up! I am partial to Ms.Cave's voice--clean, soulful, smooth. I know someone else who's partial to other parts of her too....

wormy--um, speaking of you, you around town 7/10-13? Get together?

Hutch--amen, man.

steviedan--a plea: Continue the patented album-of-the-week reviews! And all the rest! Are you available any time between 7/15-18? I'll be in your neck of the woods.

Molly--oops, happy late birthday.

Ambient Dan Dept.: Really now, statistically what is the possibility of stopping for coffee at the bagel joint just in time to hear Elliott Randall's solo in "Reelin'" and then turning on the car radio to hear a snatch of "Two Against Nature" on NPR? Or is it just market saturation?

Headphones Dept.: I have been listening to YGK's new tunes and they are the Real Deal. Also listening to Pretzel Logic, the band that is, led by our own steveeeeeeeeeeedan, and they are UNCANNILY close to the originals.... Very skilled.... Rockin'!

Watched Pot Indeed Dept.: Winter is over. It's summer already. Is it not time for a little update on the ODP?

| John Houseman | Day: 29

Clas, a new low.

You've just been shrouded.

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m¦scelage

| Hutch | Day: 29

Clas - I'm 51. I have a heart condition.

And I'm NOT a hypocrite.

End of conversation.

Hutch

| StAlphonzo | Day: 29

Anon: Very legitimate question. You ask why I don't block Clas from posting?.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Though Clas's posts may be controversial, rude, unwarranted, scathing, bullshit or whatever other negative adjective you'd like to apply, he does so without hiding behind the veil of anonymity. I don't like people like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, or Al Sharpton, or many of other extremist personalities. I often disagree with them, and even if given the chance I wouldn't wish to befriend them. I ignore them unless their views directly impose upon myself, my family or my personal freedoms.

However, I respect their right to speak their mind -- no matter how fucked up their viewpoints are. It is impossible for me to respect an individual who can't voice their opinion without hiding in the corner. The reason I (temporarily) blocked the IP address of an individual on this board was because this person contributed NOTHING but bile and negative opinions. I can deal with this, however, this person continually hid behind the veil of anonymity. If you're going to be controversial at least have the guts to show yourself. Otherwise the controversy looses its bite and becomes nothing more than negative hyperbole. Also, Clas's post often are very much "on topic." In this way he is a positive influence on the guestbook. Whereas the person I blocked never, ever contributed to the discussion in a positive manner. At least, not that I could tell. This person often attacked the individual instead of the subject matter, but never had the guts to "standup and fight like a man." Clas doesn't hide from anyone. As Hoops says -- "don't feed the Clas." If you don't like what he says, ignore him or beat him with his own words. I can care less which you choose, but don't ask me to censor him.

By the way. I've removed the IP block on webtv.net and anoymizer.com. I did so because I understand how this may be viewed as hypocritical even though I believe my reasoning to be valid. I just hope the person who the block affected can do the right thing and start contributing in a positive manner. At least sometimes...

| Molly | Day: 29

Clas, honeyman! I too have lost many people that I've loved.( most were not old) As I mentioned in a previous post, I was almost beat to death. Ask our good Dr Mu what happens when the brain swells.... :) I try to think of my life in these terms; if this were my last day on this good earth what would I do? Clas, would you really want your last day spent hurling insults to a bunch of strangers? Being peaceful and loving is more difficult to strive for then it's alternatives.... In peace, friendship and love of music M

| ╡ - thank goodness for speed dial | Day: 29

Whew! Just scored with Norah Jones...OK, concert tix that is... for the Austin show at the Paramount Theater on 8/21...tix went on sale at noon and were sold out in minutes...Whoooop!!

| Listen; | Day: 29

In May, the Glasgow University Media Group, distinguished for its pioneering media analysis, published a study of the reporting of the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. It ought to be required reading in newsrooms and media schools. The research showed that the public's lack of understanding of the conflict and its origins was compounded by news reporting, especially on television.

Viewers, says the study, are rarely told that the Palestinians are victims of an illegal military occupation. The term "occupied territories" is almost never explained. Indeed, only 9 per cent of young people interviewed knew that the Israelis were the occupiers and the "settlers" were Israeli. The selective use of language is important. The study found that words such as "murder", "atrocity", "lynching" and "savage, cold-blooded killing" were used only to describe Israeli deaths. "The extent to which some journalism assumes the Israeli perspective," wrote Professor Greg Philo, "can be seen if the statements are 'reversed' and presented as Palestinian actions. [We] did not find any [news] reports stating that 'The Palestinian attacks were in retaliation for the murder of those resisting the illegal Israeli occupation'."

Given that the central truth of the conflict is routinely obscured, none of this is surprising. News and current affairs programmes seldom, if ever, remind viewers that Israel was established largely by force on 78 per cent of historic Palestine and, since 1967, has illegally occupied and imposed various forms of military rule on the remaining 22 per cent. The media "coverage" has long reversed the roles of oppressor and victim. Israelis are never called terrorists. Correspondents who break this taboo are often intimidated with slurs of anti-Semitism - a bleak irony, as Palestinians are Semites, too.

Having long ago recognised Israel's "right" to more than two-thirds of their country, the Palestinian leadership has contorted itself in order to accommodate a maze of mostly American plans designed to deny true independence and ensure Israel's enduring power and control. Until recently, this was reported uncritically as "the peace process". When ordinary Palestinians cried "enough!" and rose up in the second intifada, armed mostly with slingshots, they were put down by snipers with high-velocity weapons and with tanks and Apache gunships, supplied by the United States.

And now, in their despair, as some are turning to suicide attacks, the Palestinians appear on the news only as bombers and rioters, which, as the Glasgow study points out, "is, of course, the view of the Israeli government". The latest euphemism, "incursion", is from the vocabulary of lies coined in Vietnam. It means assaulting human beings with tanks and planes. "Cycle of violence" is similar. It suggests, at best, two equal sides, never that the Palestinians are resisting violent oppression with violence. A Channel 4 Dispatches recently "balanced" the Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp with a Palestinian attack on a "settlement". There was no explanation that these are not settlements at all, but armed, illegal fortresses that are central to a policy of imposing strategic and military control.

On 9 June, the Correspondent series on BBC Television broadcast a report about the recent siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. This was an exemplar of the problems identified in the Glasgow research. It was, in effect, an Israeli occupation propaganda film put out by the BBC. It was made as a co-production with an American channel, and the credits listed the producer as Israel Goldvicht, who runs an Israeli production company.

That would have been fine had the film-makers made any attempt to challenge the Israeli military with whom they had ingratiated themselves. "The Israelis were determined not to damage the buildings," began the narrator. "The international press were cleared from Manger Square, but we were allowed to stay and observe the Israeli operation . . ." With this "unique access" unexplained to the viewers, the film presented one Colonel Lior as the star good guy, guaranteeing "medical treatment to anyone wounded", saying a cheery hello on a mobile phone to a friend in Oxford Street and, like any colonial officer, speaking about and on behalf of the Palestinians.

"Killers" were described by the colonel without challenge by the BBC/Israel Goldvicht team. They were "terrorists" and "gunmen", not those resisting the invasion of their homeland. Israel's right to "arrest" foreign peace protesters drew no query from the BBC. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed. As the sun set on his fine profile, the last word went to the good colonel. The issues between the Israelis and Palestinians, he said, "were personal points of view".

Well, no. The brutal subjugation of the Palestinians is, under any interpretation of the law, an epic injustice, a crime in which the colonel plays a leading part. The BBC has always provided the best, most sophisticated propaganda service in the world, because matters of justice and injustice, right and wrong are simply usurped either by "balance" or by liberal sophistry; one is either "pro- Israeli" or "pro-Palestinian". Fiona Murch, the executive producer of Correspondent, told me that Israel Goldvicht Productions would not have won the "trust" of the Israeli army had the producer asked real journalistic questions. That was the way of "fly on the wall": a candid admission. "It was breaking a stereotype," she said. "It was about a good, decent man" (the colonel). She said I ought to have seen an earlier Correspondent series, which had Palestinians in it.

I think she was trying to offer that as "balance" for The Siege of Bethlehem - a film that might be dismissed as cheap PR, were it not for its complicity with a regime that uses ethnic difference to deny human rights, imprisons people without charge or trial, and murders and tortures "systematically", says Amnesty.

Goebbels would have approved.

John Pilger

| C | Day: 29

(1) Why does Sweden still have a monarchy?

Yeah, beats me. I suggest that Ericsson or Volvo takes over the Swedish Royal Family, pay the apanage and so.

(2) Why does Sweden have such high unemployment?

Nah, that's wrong, Sweden have no high unemployment anymore. The unemployment is decreasing in the same rate the Dollar is loosing against the Euro.

(3) Why does Sweden get 46.5% of its power from nuclear? Where does the waste go? Baltic Sea? Nevada?

Probably Nevada.

(4) Why is air pollution such an enormous problem in Sweden?

Air pollution is not an enormous problem in Sweden. But it is an enormous problem in Louisiana.

(5) Why is Sweden home of a significant Al Qaeda network?

Al Qeada is not welcome anywhere, and we Swedes are kind of generous spirits you know.

(6) Why did the Swedish government subsidize "purification" of babies with birth defects or just who looked different? ...and then cover it up for years?

The government must have covered up pretty good because I have never heard of that.

(7) Why did the Swedish enable and not oppose the Nazis in World War II?

The same reason USA did, before USA got attacked (Pearl Harbor).

| bassinstinct | Day: 29

C@W:

I rest my case.

| Jack Nicholson - you want the truth? | Day: 29

Face: Is there any doubt that Clas' focus on obsessions abroad are a way of avoiding the problems at home:

(1) Why does Sweden still have a monarchy?

(2) Why does Sweden have such high unemployment?

(3) Why does Sweden get 46.5% of its power from nuclear? Where does the waste go? Baltic Sea? Nevada?

(4) Why is air pollution such an enormous problem in Sweden?

(5) Why is Sweden home of a significant Al Qaeda network?

(6) Why did the Swedish government subsidize "purification" of babies with birth defects or just who looked different? ...and then cover it up for years?

(7) Why did the Swedish enable and not oppose the Nazis in World War II?

m¦scelage

| Mrs. Turnbull | Day: 29

You're both wrong! It's "you really make it irresistible, don't you?"

Now write it 100 times on the yellow board.

| C @ W | Day: 29

Bassinstinct:

"1. I have made no promises I cannot keep."

I never said that. I said; Don't make promises you can't keep.

"2. Your last post rather proves my point I think."

And your point, what was your point again?

"3. Go fuck yourself."

How do I do that?

| bassinstinct | Day: 29

C@W:

1. I have made no promises I cannot keep.

2. Your last post rather proves my point I think.

3. Go fuck yourself.

| C @ W | Day: 29

Bassinstinct - don't make promises you can't keep. And hey, be careful with your apostrophes, look at this shit;

"...you really do make it irresistible do`nt you?"

Should be,

"...but you really do make it irresistible don't you?"

| Shaving Private Ryan | Day: 29

ANON - be peaceful and loving now my friend, lol. ;-) chirp chirp, smirk.

| bassinstinct | Day: 29

C@W: I promised myself that I would resist the temptation of posting again, but you really do make it irresistible do`nt you?

It has seldom been my misfortune to encounter such a miserable excuse for a human being. I have rarely, if ever, come across such a criminal waste of skin. I would not cross the road to urinate upon you if you were on fire.

If you have so little regard for so many in this place, why not retreat into your own tiny psyche and stop wasting your time trying to massage your very obviously atrophied self worth.

| C @ W | Day: 29

Meg - it's POSTULATE, damn it! And really, I don't know what he means, maybe he thinks that the world outside USA is standing in awe, screaming and shouting to get a chance moving in to a trailer-park in north Florida.

| ANON | Day: 29

St. Al....Why don't you block Clas from posting?

| Meg Ryan | Day: 29

Clas? What does he mean, that FaceTheLongFace? Postukate? What is that?

| C @ W | Day: 29

And kids, Brett has made a GuestBook CD, order it;

http://www.banyantreenet.com/tm2002/

| Sorry Long Face - | Day: 29

It should be: FaceTheLongFace

PS/ Sorry Fingers, whoever you are.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 29

Hutch - yes, a man died. John Entwistle has been there from the beginning, when I was a kid listening to the Who and their sometimes great music.

John Entwistle was 57 years old, he had a heartfailure which he took medication for.

I don't know how old you are Hutch, I can't tell from the picture you posted where you're standing there with your guitar so brave. But I am 47 years old and people are dying all around me like flies, people I know.

I didn't know John E, I can say I am surprised, but I can't be a hypocrite and say I am devestated by his death.

YOU are a hypocrite Hutch. Go back home and practice your guitar.

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And for you Fingers, I don't know who you are, are you someone from chat? Well, go back to chat and stay there, Long Face.

| FaceTheFace | Day: 29

Can it be? I cannot, of course, celebrate the possibility that The Who may continue their tour without John...can I? It is most likely what he would wish for them to do, being a dedicated musician. So, maybe I can.
For now though, I'll only say "whew".
There are other great bassists out there, we cannot be narrow minded. Those of John's stature are rare undoubtedly. Who would he have picked?
Molly: Happy Birthday lovely soul, many more healthy and happy ones!!!!
Bill: You tell the Swedish clown what's what, he doesn't live our lives, yet he postulates on them. Phffft!
Clas: you keep making those annoying sounds dear - go blow your nose, hopefully your brain will explode in the process.

| Hutch | Day: 29

Clas - You know what? A good man died. A man that was talented. A man that many people admired. A man that was a legend in the world of rock music.
I am saddened by the death of John Entwhistle and so are the people on this board.
And in the midst of it all we have to endure your little petty comments and "observations".

Unbelievable.

Hutch

| Rumplefingerspeare | Day: 29

BEERS
DOH........we'm bin rumbled Barraayyyyy! Yow ain't sin me roight!
Gorra goo..loadsa poimz to roight before Corrie.

Would you believe we were offered a premium gig at The Jam House (Jools Holland's Birmingham venue) tonight at very short notice (like 12 midday)but some DSO'ers can't make it! Life's a bitch! Onwards and upwards.
See ya in the Tavern car park to do the business....ok? Gotta get some of that CL into the blood stream soon.
Thanks for the Coventry info.......it was a Goth hangout and then bikers...now Trib city apparently.We'll see what the worthy citizens of Godiva's Town make of The Dan!

John Entwhistle...another great (and underated) axeman and gent bites the dust. RIP it up wherever you are.

| C | Day: 29

Who is touring anyway.

I think that is showing what a big Money-Machine show biz really is. It really doesn't matter who's playing, if John died, put in Palladino, if Palladino dies, let... well, maybe Hubba Bubba could do it?

| C @ W | Day: 28

Jimbo - my point is, you are getting a picture of a person, you're getting it from the media, and upon that you're judging him?

Who/what is Scooby Doo?

| Jimbo | Day: 28

Clas- What I meant was that to survive a lifetime of craziness in a business that can be fun and at the same time corruptive and come out of it clearheaded and still able to play bass and remain a gentleman in the interviews I've read made him a very good human being. He could have been Mick Jagger and give some attitude, but he chose to remain himself.

I'm sure John crashed a few hotel rooms in his days. I would love to hear some stories about that. Especially his role in the infamous birthday
party for Keith Moon in which Keith went bonkers, drove his car into a swimming pool and lost a tooth during all the fracas. I don't know if you've ever heard that story, but that was a classic Who moment.

I'm not saying people shouldn't party. That's not what I meant. I would rather hear about the wild parties than to hear Britney talk about that she doesn't use drugs or have sex (yeah, right.)or smoke (she was caught smoking.) That's too boring.

Anyway, that's it for now. Gonna go see Minority Report this weekend.
Don't even talk to me about Scooby Doo. Haven't seen it. Won't plan to.
Hit or not, it probably sucks just like the cartoons.

See ya!

| Clas @ Work | Day: 28

"No, I didn't know John personally, but I always have a greater respect for the quiet ones who endure the madness in an industry such as music and even survive the pitfalls that come with fame."

So, the fact John E never danced on stage or crashed any hotelrooms, makes him a "greater human being"?

Is that right Jimbo?

(But you wouldn't know would you? I mean, you didn't KNOW the guy)

PS/ Is that South, Central or North-America Billy? Or just Long Island?

| Molly | Day: 28

Thanks for all the lovely messages! You guys are the best.
Drew, rolling on the floor laughing at your post! Thanks for the compliment, but You must lead a real sheltered life babe... We gotta get you out more. :)

Thanks Again Everyone! M

| W1P | Day: 28

My friends at Tribute the Movie are back at it again -- check out this NY and UK screening info below:

NEW YORK PREMIERE OF TRIBUTE

TRIBUTE is screening as part of the Film Society of Lincoln Center/IFP¦s
Independent's Night series on Thursday, July 18th at 6:30 p.m at the Walter
Reade Theater. Please let your New York friends know about this screening!

Screening info:
http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/programs/recur/indie/indie.htm

To buy tickets:
212-496-3809 (7 days before screening)
http://filmlinc.com/wrt/boxoff/box.htm

Directions:
The Walter Reade Theater is located on the north side of West 65th Street,
between Broadway and Amsterdam Avenue, one flight up on the plaza level.
Look for our purple banner on 65th Street near Amsterdam Avenue to locate
the escalator and elevator to the plaza level. Or you may take the escalator at the corner of 65th Street and Broadway and then walk west to the end of the plaza. By Subway: take the Red Line Number 1 or Number 9 to the 66th Street stop. Bus Lines M104, M5, and M7 all stop in front of Lincoln Center. Garage parking is available on 65th Street under Lincoln Center.

OTHER FESTIVAL NEWS:

TRIBUTE will also be screening at the Melbourne Int¦l Film Festival in late
July/August and the Edinburgh Int¦l Film Festival in August.

Melbourne Info:
http://www.melbournefilmfestival.com.au

Edinburgh Info:
http://www.edfilmfest.org.uk

Thanks for your support!

Tribute Films
http://www.tributethemovie.com

| Beerberian | Day: 28

Yo Will !! shouldn't you be in Stratford ...not BHam ?

| Will Shakefinger | Day: 28

From a candle to his Mistress

O that I were that flame, atop the celebratory pile, for a brief moment aglow, yet dark in compare to thine radience sweet Moll. To flicker and dance in the still night until mine end doth arrive, glorious and joyful in a trice as I am extinguished all at once by thy soft breath.
Close thine eyes and utter in silence thy fondest wish so none shall hear, else the majik dispel. Wish for life my dearest, conjure thy dream upon my sleeping and as I pass so shall your wish come to pass. Happy birthday to you.

| Jimbo | Day: 28

Clas- No, I didn't know John personally, but I always have a greater respect for the quiet ones who endure the madness in an industry such as music and even survive the pitfalls that come with fame. Charlie Watts and George Harrison comes to mind.

Molly-Happy Birthday, kid. Best wishes for the rest of the day. :)

By the way, the Who say that they're going to tour with a new bassist.
BAD IDEA!

First of all, no bass player can provide a dancing bass riff like "My Generation." Second, John's presence was quiet, yet commanding
where his replacement may provide little or none. Third, who else is gonna sing "Boris the Spider?"

I think they should have broken up the moment Keith Moon died. Kenney
Jones had some moments, but provide little spark or personality in the band. Plus, Joneses accused Pete Townshend of saving some of his songs for his solo lps is unwarranted and disrespectful. Keith wouldn't care what Pete does.

That's my opinion. What do you guys and gals think?

| Dano | Day: 28

Just got in from the Movies , and heard about John E
Made me think of Charlton in the Seventies......Doing Babar O"reiley with Daltry ,Townsend and Mad Moon.What a bloody night that was...he will be sadly missed.

Happy Birthday Molly..............Get High??

Dano.

| Aja................slam, whack! (that was gooooood.....) | Day: 28

slam dunk baby, e-mail me your address!

Aja

| Bill | Day: 28

Happy Birthday Molly!
Have a great one, you deserve it.

Clas,
I'm an American and you're not...I'm an American and you're not..
I'm an American and you're not...I'm an American and you're not..

| Birthday girl | Day: 28

Molly girl"
Thanks for your kindness and wit you give to others always.

"Happy Birthday"

bluz

| slam dunk | Day: 28

Capitol building evacuated due to possible fire......

| ╡ | Day: 28

Molly: Happy B-day!

RIP John Entwhistle...ballast of the 1st power trio...could wind in melody while Townshend slashed in power chords and rhythm...used well in a different context by the Police years later...

~: You won't believe your eyes...movies can occasionally be America's other art form besides jazz...

| Dafretman Drew | Day: 28

Molly,
Happy Birthday Honey ! You're still the finest damn woman I've ever seen. I'll call you tonight.

| Bob Dylan Jr. | Day: 28

John Entwistle, just one more great musician I got to see play an intimate, unbelievably amazing gig at Le Bar Bar courtesy of our host, the inimitable Mr. Pete Fogel.

| C @ W | Day: 28

Jimbo - did you know him?

| Randy | Day: 28

Slip kid, slip kid, realization
There's no easy way to be free
No easy way to be free

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

| Jimbo | Day: 28

John Entwhistle- A great bass player and a greater human being.

George was always the quiet one. George, you got company now.

I just hope Charlie Watts lives a long time.

JOHN ENTWHISTLE
1944-2002
R.I.P.
THE GREATEST ROCK BASSIST OF ALL TIME

| lcpaul | Day: 28

Molly - your birthday? What's the score girl? Whatever it is, you have yourself a grand ole time down there in Kentucky. Lucky Scottish Viking with blue eyes. All the best:]

John Entwhistle - I remember seeing "Tommy" numerous times, must be back in about 72/73? Blew me away.

Till Monday

paul

| Beerberian back from the pub | Day: 28

Moll; I will climb the garden wall, With a candle in my hand, I'll hide inside a hall of rock and sand ....... later

| coorsinstinct | Day: 28

Don't mind Clas
He's an Ass

They just don't write lyrics like that any more ???????

Obviously the Home counties ver would be

Don't mind Clarse
He's an Arse

A slow and painful death .....suggestions on a postcard

| Molly | Day: 28

Hi gang! Much sadness at John Entwistle's passing.... It's not so much when or how one dies, but how a person lives. He did what he loved! That's all that really matters in the end.
Jake, thanks for the nice messages!
Stan, my Samurai-Dragon man! thank you for the lovely flowers, gifts and messages. I'm missing you my old friend....Read your e-mail!
Duncan, I don't know about your injury effecting your climbing abilities.... I only know that climbing helps me feel free, and is worth the risks for me. I truly believe most of us can do whatever we want. It may take more effort and some creativity.....( of course I have my fingers intact!) Just do something that makes you happy and free.... I will think of you bud!!!Send good vibes your way.

Well i'm off to Red River Gorge..... Celebrating my Birthday doing what makes me happiest..... :)
Be Peaceful and Loving my GB friends M

| FaceTheFace | Day: 28

Stunned.
First at the fact that Entwistle is gone.
Second at the fact it happened now, when I was to attend their concert.
Third at the fact the remaining show dates will in all probability be cancelled, effectively making my chances of seeing them live almost nil (and I don't mean to be self-pitying here, but to quote St. Al- "Goddamnit").
Fourth...well, I'm just stunned.

| bassinstinct | Day: 28

C@W Please do the human race in general, and me in particular, a great favour and die a slow and painful death. I am not one to bear a grudge, but in you case I am more than willing to make an exception. You are a wart on the face of humanity.

| Boris | Day: 28

Look who's crawling up my wall.....
Black and furry very small....
Now he's high above my head....
Hanging by a little thread........
Creeeeepy crawly creeeeepy crawly creepy creepy crawly crawly creepy creepy crawly crawly creepy creepy crawly crawly creepy creepy crawly crawly.....

| Duncan | Day: 28

here here !!!
Thunderfingers has left the building

| Aussie | Day: 28

John Entwistle: May you rest in peace. I loved it all.

Aus

| bad_sneakers | Day: 28

John Entwistle - RIP

A gentleman as well as a legend

You will be missed

| Clas @ Work | Day: 28

Steveedan - how can it be that a boring, middleclass-Joey with no exciting features whatsoever, becomes a rock-fan? A Who-fan? A fan of Steely Dan, who wrote the most subversive lyrics of any kind?
Bill - the same to you, tax-whiner. The only time you wake up is when your paranoic psyche is smelling a "govenment-money-conspiracy". What do you understand about rebellious-revolutionary-rock-music?

Not much I guess.

Stupid no-bodies. Go over to the Blue Bore and jerk off with Hoopsie.

| Steveedan | Day: 28

You'd have to be under a rock to not have been affected by The Who and the masterful playing of Entwhistle. By the way, that's him playing french horn in the Overture of Tommy (the original recording). I was trying to think of a better rock bass player, but the more I mull it over, I think it becomes a discussion of who's (sorry, no pun intended) style you prefer. Perhaps Jack Bruce? Tony Levin? What do You think, Loyal Dandom? Walter Becker?

There is a better obituary on the rolling stone website, plus over 2000 posts of mourners.

So lately, we've lost Sir George Harrison, a pair of Ramones, The Ox ... I fear to ask the question (and now coin the pun) "Who's Next"?

A friend of mine is holding tickets for the Hollywood Bowl Who show for July 1st. He paid $200 a seat for him and his wife. The ticket broker who sold him the seats kept calling him up to buy them back (prior to today's news of course) for $800 a seat! No matter how you slice it, the whole thing sucks.

These guys were among my favorites ... right up there with the Dan.

Meaty, Beaty, Big, and Bouncy. So Who's Left? Meaty and Bouncy?

Another sad day in Rock Music.

Steveedan

| Beerberian | Day: 28

It is not yet known if the tour will continue without the bassist SAID a FEELING RECORD COMPANY PARASITE ....... Now Tell me WHO are you

Just played Who's Next on the way into work IS there a better Rock Track than Fooled Again ??????

I never got the political angle on Blue Eyes until I saw Townsends VH1 Storytellers ......

| Big Dog (and me too) | Day: 28

Stevie Dan - I am not surprised to hear about Horns-bye-bye. Fact is, he can be damned boring sometimes. Is there no hit/catchy thing whatsoever on the entire CD?
---

So Entwistle is gone uh? I remember watching Who on TV years ago, and I was astonished how good he played the bass, personal style, very technical too.

| Jake | Day: 27

H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y G I R L

| Jake | Day: 27

Bluz and Molly... You are the very best... Thanks Jake...

| Boris the spider | Day: 27

Sorry to learn of Johns passing..we spoke last in 87'

A good man..and he loved his R.S.O.P on that night.

bluz

| Bill | Day: 27

Very sad news about John Entwistle.
My sister is one of the worlds biggest Who fans and she's just
devastated. It's hard to accept the passing of people who you
consider to be forever young.

R.I.P. John...

| Jaydubz | Day: 27

R.I.P. Mr. Entwhistle...you'll be sorely missed.

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 27

just heard about John Entwhistle....what a shame....considering the state of rock/pop music in the 60's, Entwhistle was truly a phenomenal player....I'm really glad I got to see them at Carter-Findley Stadium about 10 years ago....sorry to hear of his passing.....here's a link to CNN's obit for John.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/06/27/entwhistle.obit.reut/index.html

or just click the Homepage thingy above.

| gypsyqueeninafairytale | Day: 27

why do I even bother....BYE!!!!

| gypsyqueeninafairytale | Day: 27

why do I even bother....BYE!!!!

| StAlphonzo | Day: 27

John Entwistle RIP.

Goddamnit...

StAl

| W1P | Day: 27

John Entwistle dead at 57 -- the Who tour is, obviously, cancelled.

| Stan Henson | Day: 27

Ditty Happy Birthday Sweetheart
you'll always be my little enchantress

| YGK | Day: 27

Lisa G: Guess what? Daddy's email bounced again - would you have Daddy send it along to me.......this is ridiculous........any word on the 9/11 concert?
be well, and send my regards to that swell guy of yours......

ygk

| slam dunk | Day: 27

Aja: So dying for it. Bring it on already!!!!

:0)

| Lisa G | Day: 27

Ooh, haven't been reading. What is this I see? Mister steviedan posts. Well, how-dee to you sir, and a welcome back. We missed ya. Oh, and congratulations on your renovations.

YGK-got the invite, but dammit, can't be there. Both of us, bummed. G's grandmother is going to be 95 on Monday, and we're having a bash for her upstate tomorrow night. Wahhh!!!

For those of you around NYC/North-Central Jersey:
Saturday night, Vitamin S Band live at the Cambridge Inn. Debut of Jonathan our amazing new guitarist. Should be an awesome time. E-me as above if free and easy. Oops, not easy. Well ok, if easy, too. (Just xraywoman, folks.)

P.S. Why haven't you checked out Amel Larrieux, yet?

| Duncan | Day: 27

Molly:
I've done it...
well booked an induction course, Again.
It's been 4 years since i've been climbing.
(& a stone on)
I do wonder about my ''bad fingers'' though !
Mu: will i fall ?

http://www.rockantics.co.uk/Home.htm

| Lisa G endorsing | Day: 27

This voice, this mind...she can sing it all. Soul, jazz, R&B...

Do check this chile out:

http://www.amellarrieux.com

| angel | Day: 27

Steviedanus, my old friend.... I am not dissing the rest....really. I just missed your album of the week feature. :-)

Speaking of donuts....anyone ever have a Krispy Creme donut with some sort of white filling in it. YUCK! Totally not impressed. Sorry, got off track there....

Anyone hear the whole brouhaha over Charlie Daniels not being able to perform his 9/11 song, for the 4th of July show next week?

| YGK | Day: 27

STEVIEDAN: the one and the Original! wazzup bro? I'm gonna have you some new music for the record sto......if you still there anymo.......
hope you are well - great to have you back......
you didn't forget about me didja?

ygk

| StAlphonzo..................Extending the proverbial olive branch | Day: 27

Mr. WebTv person. Please email me. I'd like to clear things up. Address is linked above. Remove DISCARDTHIS.

StAl

| Dano | Day: 27

WIP, Dan did you see Phillip Seymour in "Happiness" performance of the decade for me!!

Johnny Boy in Mean Streets.......Nothing can ever touch that!!

Dano.

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 26

uh wormy, i think that's your cue, dear...

| gypsyqueeninafairytale | Day: 26

Hi
This is my first post here, I've been here before,but I've never posted anything before...hey,I'm not exactly an extrovert.
Anyway,I recently started going to a vocal coach and I have been told that I'm a mezzo-soprano,with a range of
G below middle C up to the E above the C above middle C,that my voice is "rich,lovely and deep",also medium sized and mellow,and mostly suited for jazz or r&b.
So inspired by that,I wanted to start a thread about the voices of the "bare midriff section"...if you can remember(thank goodness for bootlegs)
For instance,who do you guys/gals think is the most soulful or powerful or rich of the 3,or who is more breathy or light?
Who sounds like they might have the most expansive range?
What do you think is their vocal types(alto,mezzo,soprano)?
Which voice moves you the most?

thanks

| Beerberian (I know ee) | Day: 26

WJAZ; has WJAZee impugned your honour? I know of this flame haired adonis, he wields the axe of Dan and is mighty from the North (west) ? Choose your weapons (wisely) I shall second........

Upon the heath we shall meet,
and only one can leave with honour intact,
for a challenge has been laid,
a debt must be paid,
We throw back the little one with tact?

| ╡ | Day: 26

dunk: goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaalllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

| Jonathon Woss | Day: 26

Well I think the best film ever is - Scent of a woman - Comedy, Drama Pathos & PPPPPacino - No I change my mind The Commitments - loud, rollicking, comic extravaganza WITH SOUL @ the dark end of the street Oh darling please don't cry tonight we'll meet

| WJAZ...jest for the record... | Day: 26

As we have Steveedan and Steviedan on this book...we also have an
abundance of call letters floating around here...WJAZ and WJAZee
are not the same soul...
As for the obligatory SD mention, I am coping well with the suburban
sprawl...
WJAZ

| Aja...................one more | Day: 26

Oh yes, slam, one nasty, stiff, Australian double rowed, boar bristle brush awaits........

| Aja | Day: 26

Tom Sizemore was also in "Black Hawk Down".

Got my Jazzfest poster all nice and framed yesterday. Sure miss the powdered bread and hurricanes! Flyboy will be in New Orleans in late July for work, and I have a wild hair to talk him into staying over an extra weekend, plus Southwest Airlines just sent me a free ticket to make up for the debacle in April........the summer, the summer, this could be the cool part of the summer!

YGK-any word on when your CD will be ready?

Dime dancing through the week,

Aja

| dunk | Day: 26

ohh... i saw heat & loved it.
missed him in that.
Ohh well

| slam dunk | Day: 26

dunk: Mr. Sizemore has been in a number of other projects since "Natural Born Killers". The first big production that immediately springs to mind is "Heat" which featured Messrs. Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro and Val Kilmer. Mr. Sizemore also played the starring role in an HBO production about a mafia hitman taken in protective custody under the Witness Protection Program...the name of the made for HBO film escapes me right now. But besides those two he's been in a slew of other projects, most notably those which fall under the Indie genre.

:0)

| dunk | Day: 26

Tom Sizemore...
I last saw him in Natural Born Killers.

have i missed anything ?

Also Ed Harris advertising Vauxhall Vectra !!!!!
what's that all about

Ask Mu Thursday...premtive
Brazil or ''the hun''

| W1P | Day: 26

Phillip Seymour Hoffman IS Boogie Nights

| Dano | Day: 26

Midnite , That picture reminded me of the steel works in Pennsylvania in the opening shot of The Deer Hunter!!

lcpaul , Exactly mate..... also Born On The Fourth and Magnolia which he was stunning in are just two more ,he never gets the recognition he deserves that boy!!
Watched Flawless on Vid last night , now that kid Philip Seymour Hoffman is terrific along with , Don Cheadle , Michael Rooker , Treat Williams,and John Lugazamo are among the best B List actors around!! Also whats happened to Tom Sizemore??Any ideas Stevie!!

Regards Dano.

| ╡ | Day: 26

Howard: It could be post Royal...long time ago... I remember using it for trying to play some Katy songs...it was at that point we the band realized that we sucked...and we mercifully hurled ourselves into oblivion...

My hand is cramping must looking at the A ¦ major chord for the guitar...

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 26

Hi everyone!
lcpaul, i'm glad you are still alive out there in Banyanland. Sorry you've been sick.... Good deal about you "loving" red hair. I have plenty of it,and right now it's about any color of red there is from the exposure to the sunlight...(with some gold thrown in for good measure) Now if we were only on the same Continent! lol lol..... :) Keep in touch bud.
10010001000, again please forward photos of my belly button and certain other body parts to Wild Bill! He's threatening to send Don to investigate.
Did you have anything to do with the theft of my underpanties? :0 The Mail Carrier assures me that he did send them to lcpaul...So they were stolen en route. I like the posts by the way... If only you weren't a cold unfeeling machine... :) alas, that's just too much like my last boyfriend.... lmao
Arlean, i'm studying diligently for your next pop quiz! Do I get a gold star for effort?
Bluz, can Wild Bill come along with us? Let's go to Memphis in the meantime baby....
BB, thanks for my present! He makes a nice addition to the rest of Moll's zoo. *wink and big smile*
Jackie aka Den, Hi ya kiddo....how's things with my little heartbreaker?
St Al, Ive got a yen for a good looking man of your statue. Do ya think Mrs Al would be willing to share your "affections" from time to time? :)
To all my GB sisters a big Hug and hello from me to you...
My furnace beckons...
Be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.

| Beerberian @ Work | Day: 26

LcP; Planning in early stages "The site" is excellent - thanks :) Did you get my unmasked e mail from Coors ID ? Garden Route / self drive / B&B Looking into air fares SA prices vary a lot ??? might try Virgin - Mr Branson needs the money HA !

| C @ W | Day: 26

Howard - well, altering the sus2 with the 3rd gives the Mu-feel. As for example in that D major-chord I mentioned earlier.

Steve - Aint got time for games, I am about to switch cylinder head gasket, and it's urgent.

| lcpaul | Day: 26

Dee - went to look for your daughter's guestbook, but my search ended with the message that the site doesn't exist! Said addresses were case-sensitive. Can you throw any light on this?

Regards

paul

| lcpaul | Day: 26

Molly - thanks for being concerned about my welfare. I'm alive and kicking, but only just, after a week of being ill and very busy at the same time. Have been checking in though, although didn't have time to post. Winter's well and truly kicked in here, with rain, wind and overcast weather. On the redhead issue, you have no idea - all the women I've ever been involved with (with one or two exceptions) have been redheads. Don't ask me why. That's just the way it is (isn't there a song with that title?)

Beer - how's your planning going mate? Visited the site yet?

Dano - totally agree with you about Cruise. He's had to fight an uphill battle all his life because he's good looking AND talented. And that pisses most people off so they choose to look past his talent and only see the pretty boy. That's my theory anyway. I'm kinda jealous that he's had a piece of Nicole and I haven't though. lol.

As far as Spielberg's concerned, IMHO, "Schindler's List" and "Amistad" are both masterpieces of cinema, rivalling the master himself, Hitchcock.
"American Beauty" - one of my all-time favourites.

Saw "Mulholland Drive" recently. Lynch just gets wierder, but a compelling tale, if, and only if, you don't try to understand it. Any opinions?

Love to you all.

paul

| 10010011000 | Day: 26

Cspan topic this morning;
"Have you lost faith in corporate america?"

Hehehe... How can you lose something you never had to begin with?

Worldcom bites the dust and so it goes.

| Howard | Day: 26

Thanks to all for the positive feedback on my mu major pages. Thanks Steeve for spotting that typo - I'll get it fixed.

It's been a while since I edited together those mu sound examples, but your suggestions for the songs look right ¦.
BTW I thought it was the Royal Scam songbook that had that stuff on the mu chord from D+W? There's actually a link from my mu-pages to that songbook intro, which is at steelydan.com - it's where I quote D+W in Part 2. I've never seen the actual songbook, but I've heard from others that it was the Royal Scam songbook, and SD.com has that songbook page listed as "circa 1977" (http://www.steelydan.com/inprint.html)

Clas - you're right that the mu chord was used long before Steely Dan was born, but it's relatively rare for guitar-based music. Much more common for keyboard based songs. The adding/taking off fingers that guitarists tend to do with D chords usually gives sus4 or sus2 chords, not the mu major (add2).

Maybe I'm wrong, but it strikes me that many of the songs that used mu major chords in the 60s or early 70s tended to use them in over-syrupy love songs. Carpenters' "Close To You" comes to mind. Almost the same chords are used in the Ozzie TV soap Neighbours!

Howard

| Beerberian not @ work | Day: 26

MizD; I'm waitin' on the postie every morning - Will let u know my thoughts ........Is there a letter . a letter for me ? Way ay ay ait Mr postman ....

Dano; First round on me ......

Fingers; From whence cometh the beer @ The Tavern ??? I have to get permission from "above" to drink (sample) the opposition brews - The amount I drink could tip the balance (or is that My Balance)

Moll; The Owl was from me ...He's called Hedwig ...Wingardium Leviosar !!!!

| Perhaps ... it's ... | Day: 26

Beastly Minister of Fraw-kin-Schlongin.

Far-fig-nootin.

Sven Gnuter-Dan

| Steveedan | Day: 26

Hi Fingers - very funny, but Duncan got it right. I am assuming you knew what it was, and went for the "my old school" (but it was Berkeley in Northern California, not Berklee in Boston, Mass) meets Fagen-Freak. Love it.

Now Clas, have you heard of the Keith Jarrett song " A S(ch)long as you're living yours"? Schlow-long for schnow.

SchleeveeDong (ick)

| S O S ! | Day: 25

Brett - couldn't find your post on the Blue Bore.

Hoops?

| Clas @ Work | Day: 25

Howard - good work, but pretty obvious I think - the Mu-Chord originates from the cheap pop-based guitar-players, late 60's or early 70's. You know, kind of when you let go of your ring-finger playing the open D-chord (Cat Stevens).

It's been there all the time, at least since pop-musicians started to play instruments.

---

Steevedan - yeah, that's pretty much my voicing too, from left hand - right hand, listen;

G-D-G / A-B-D-G

On a fine day, when the sun is shining and mama's good looking;

G-D-A / A-B-D-A

Which brings us to a certainty:

My Schlong is longer than yours.

| Brett (Schwinn) Barney | Day: 25

Hi Kids and thanks for all your pre-orders for the new Guest Book compilation CD. Below is the press release I just submitted to Hoops McKay's Dandom Digest. Yes, this year's CD will be titled "Steely Knives" and I'm sure St. Al will update the image soon to reflect this. Ghosts of the Technicolor Motorhome abound in this new volume and I'm sure you'll be pleased. Remember, quantites are very limited so get one while you can!

"Once again, musician/fans of Steely Dan have joined together to produce a CD of great music. This year's compilation, "Steely Knives", contains over 70 minutes of music. 13 original tunes and 2 Steely Dan covers. Hear what twisted minds just like yours do with their free time. Quantities are extremely limited so order today. Just go to http://www.banyantreenet.com/tm2002/ "

Ok? OK!

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 25

steviedan....great to see you back my concert buddy....so what's been up in Raleigh besides the temperature?

Hutch....I was up your way for most of the past week but it was a hectic time....maybe I can catch you at the store one day in the next couple of weeks.....e-mail me the location if you get a chance. : )

and a photo from Sunday....driving west on Sunset (but not to the sea) in DAN-ville....finally home after that 3 1/2 hour drive:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/DanvilleSunset.jpg

later gators....

| duncan | Day: 25

''big muther fucker'' ...?

| Fingers | Day: 25

DANO
Kick off your high heel sneakers, it's party time. Very glad to hear you may be along to greet the Beer monster and co. Be guid tae see ye agin.

HOWARD
Many thanks for increasing understanding and knowledge of how this incredible music is created, and congrats on making the explanation so accessible .......it's one thing to have knowledge, quite another to be able impart it so well. Even when you think you know a fair bit, there's always more to be absorbed. Excellent site and I salute your obvious musical expertise. When's the Steveedan/Howard collaborate treatise on The 'Dan coming out? Put me down for the first copy off the press.

STEVEEDAN
BMF?............Berkeley Master of Fagenism?

| Miz Ducky | Day: 25

Mr. Beerberian: you will be glad that you have initiated yourself into the world of Mike Keneally, for he is a god. Fabulous multi-instrumentalist--shreds on guitar and keyboards and anything else he takes it into his mind to make music off of. Definitely steeped in Zappology, but wide-ranging to all sorts of other genres, including several he seems to have made up himself. Amazingly eclectic composer/songwriter--a typical album can have a perfectly polished (if slightly warped) pop song, followed by a way-the-fuck-out-there Zappa-esque amalgam of hard rock and Stravinsky, followed by a piece of inspired silliness reminiscent of Spike Jones, followed by a composition of intense musical, lyrical, and spiritual depth. Wooden Smoke is gorgeous--beautiful, intricate acoustic guitar playing, sparked up here and there by all sorts of electronic and natural sounds and effect (including some frogs). I'd also strongly recommend "Dancing" as a great introduction to the full smorgasbord of Keneally styles. Oh yes, and he's one helluva nice guy too--what more could one possibly want?

/the Mam'zelle
(pleased to keep Danfans from missing out on a good thing, as someone once said, or slurred, or whatevah)

| clarification | Day: 25

it was the Katy Lied songbook...

| ╡ | Day: 25

Howard: Absolutely outstanding!! I recall when I was small and rifling through the Steely Dan handbook the cryptic and amusing explanations of the ¦ chord - the jazzy dissonance created in Dr.Wu...will read your thesis over and over

SteveE: Here's how I hear'em

(1) Reelin' (AiA)
(2) YGTII
(3) Any Major ¦ Dude
(4) Dr. W¦
(5) Rikki
(6) Razor Boy
(7) Aja
(8) Any World
(9) Aja

| Dano | Day: 25

Aus ,Tom, Whadya mean dont like Cruise??He should have won the Oscar for Rain Man ,Hoffmans part was easy and Cruise to play the straight guy opposite him was even harder??Very underated in my humble , and can"t wait to see Minority when it comes here in a couple of weeks.

Fingers , Hopefully will be ok for Tamworth and see the beer monster!!

Stevie baby , Your back , Your Bad , Your the man!!Hows it going mate.

LP , Looking at the archives the other night, and this is still the best reply to the test.....

Describe yourself in three words
I Talk To Much........
That still has me in fits to this day........

Have a good evening Dansters
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano

| Steveedan | Day: 25

Howard -

I just finished reading through your explanation of the Mu Major chords. Very impressive. I listened to the sound clip and tried to identify all 9 of the songs from which you chose to exhibit Mu chords. I got half of them, but not all of them ...

1. ReelinÆ In The Years (Alive In America version)
2. Your Gold Teeth II
3. Rikki?
4. (CouldnÆt lift it)
5. Rikki DonÆt Lose That Number
6. Razor Boy
7. (CouldnÆt lift it)
8. (CouldnÆt lift it)
9. Aja

In "Part 3" (The mu major chord in chord substitutions) I think the word "with" is missing. The sentence starts off: "What matters is not the particular chord that you end up ("with") à This is my only critical mention. I would say that the publisher is waiting ...

How I typically use Mu Major chords. ... I often use the voicing of C -- C-D-E-G for the Cmu chord (I realize that I double, well actually, triple the root (C) because I often play octaves with the left hand, then voice the entire chord in the right hand (on piano) in Root, 1st, or 2nd Inversion (based on a simple triad).

The other voicing that I like to use has a slight motion to it. Using the same chord as above, the notes (octaves) played with the left hand could either be the root (C ) or the third (E) of the chord with the right hand playing D-G-C (using fingers 1-3-5), then dropping in the E shortly thereafter with the "2" finger. This method can be a little perplexing and also painful if you are not used to this kind of thing. Attempt with caution !!!

You mentioned in your explanation that having the whole-note interval between the 2nd (the mu) and the third of the chord is the usual way the chord is used in Steely DanÆs music (Part 2 - Type I voicing: root in the bass). This is the only aspect that I learned about this chord in my early years of playing their music. I would play it in (based on a triad) Root, 1st, and 2nd Inversion. It was many years later that I picked up on the "Type II" Mu chords that you discuss in your explanation.

I would suggest that a beginning or intermediate level student use this simpler type of Mu Major chord and not worry about the more complex voicings until becoming extremely familiar with the sound and construction of the chord in Root, 1st, and 2nd Inversion positions.

Again, bravo Howard. Great explanatory piece.

Steveedan

| Molly | Day: 25

I'm about to have a heat stroke working with that damn furnace! Thank goodness I can work on a piece for about an hour, then take a break. BB,my theory about men loving red hair or hating it seems to be holding...Apparently ol WJAZee prefers non redhaired women...lol lol!!! lcpaul, are you still alive Babe? (he likes red hair *wink*)
Wild Bill, ya need any stained glass on that deck?
0001010000, please forward any photos of my tatoos and belly ring to Wild Bill and Bluz.
Fingers, Sorry my sweetness! I plan to be doing some serious climbing that week... I can now walk, stand and sit without pain once again. I'm back to
my active,mean self lol lol :) whoo hoo
so many gorgeous men in Banyanland, so little time.... *sighs*

| W1P | Day: 25

Steevee -- Keneally's playing the North Sea Jazz Festival on 7/12 so I think the odds of him showing up at your 7/11 gig are low. I, on the other hand, will not be in Holland on 7/12 so I might be in Tarzana on 7/11 and will certainly be in Agoura on 7/13. I would def be in Tarzana on 7/11 if ANGEL was going to be there. Did you guys try to get on the Beachstock festival on 8/17?

| WJAZee | Day: 25

Mistress of Mayhem: sorry to disappoint ... trust me you would be disappointed !!

| Dee | Day: 25

I think this guestbook is awesome. I have a very sick 2 year old girl. Can you please sign her guestbook? www.caringbridge.com/mn/vivica. You can read all about her. She's had 13 surgeries, 2 cardic arrests, 4 strokes, and shes still here and cute and smart as any other 2 year old. Please check it out. Thank you and God bless. P.S. There are pictures of her of the web site.

| WJAZee | Day: 25

Beerberian: One of the good things about the 'Net' is people don't have to know my hair colour :(

cheers 'mate'

"introduce me to that big blonde" !

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 25

WJAZee, a fellow red head!! ? hmmn... I'm actually seeing this Redhaired, blue-eyed Viking of a man.... from Scotland !! (sorry BB) :)
HI JAKE, HOPE THINGS ARE GOING WELL SUGARMAN!!!!
where the hell is lcpaul?

| Molly | Day: 25

Hello everyone! Nothing much to report here in Hooterville. I have an owl out by my barn/studio.... Is that a bad omen? :)
JJeff, umm thanks for the tip! I hate fences, and since I usually have a slew of little people running around playing.... we definitely would have to forgo any electric fences. I was burned by one of those things when I was a kid....OUCH!! As far as the urine thing, I have tried to discourage the boys in my care from urinating outdoors... (to no avail) I can't very well tell them that I want them to pee out by my garden now! :) lol lol I guess I'll have to live with the critters munching at Moll's all you can eat vegetable buffet.Thanks anyways!
Jason, big hug to you from me.... Did you ever give Casual Gods a listen?
Angel, I grow lots of lemon grass, and have Martin bird houses. I do use insect repellent. I'd rather take my chances with the chemicals, then Lyme desease ect.. We got Turkey mites here in these parts, and they'll eat you up...
Drewy, the Doc says that I should be well enough to go! Yay!!! the rocks are beckoning. I can't wait to see you guys again. I'll leave my phone on this Evening.... I should be able to talk after 10:00 your time.
Nice to see everyone's posts.....
St Al, you're still the best looking man I've seen in a month of Sunday :)
well i'm off to my glass again.....
Be peaceful and Loving my friends
It's all good M.

| angel | Day: 25

Howard: Your Mu site is just fabulous. I have had no idea what you have all been talking about, these past months. Now, with your examples and wav files, it all comes together and I can hear the Mu chord in context. You have done a real service to dandom.

| Beerberian btf | Day: 25

FINGERS; Meet WJAZee - an axeman cometh to Tamworth

MOLL; Meet WJAZee - a fellow red head. How's the dragon chasing going then ?

| angel | Day: 25

First off, STEVIEDAN! Do we miss you? Is the Pope Catholic? Please come back. It has been a desert here without you. :-)

Mu: Thank you also, kind sir.

Aussie: You too.

Ole: What do you mean Skin so Soft doesn't work for mosquitos? I am mosquito bait and need something, HELP! Just saying DEET doesn't help me here.

Now going over to check out the Mu Chord on Howard's site. :-)

| wormy | Day: 25

steviedan - glad to see you back here! how are things?

good to hear Malcolm and Aussie enjoying themselves
but stay away from those little FLAlitas

so this new Cruise/Speilberg movie is a classic?

always thought speilberg was usually too sappy and over the top
and Cruise never really did much for me either

comparisons to Kubrick, wow
don't know if anyone will ever top his trademarks
long drawn out scenes, understated,
probing yet with a lack of judgemental elements

who's taken up the torch?
American Beauty certainly had some of these finer qualities

new music - Laura Nyro's live The Loom's Desire is very nice
Peter Gabriel's new soundtrack is haunting Aboriginal
and Bowie's Heathen has elements of old golden years

| WJAZee | Day: 25

Howard: I'm impressed !! I'll take a better look @ your Mu Maj site L8r (from home) but it looks GR8.

| Howard | Day: 25

I don't get to do this very often, but anyway here goes...

I'm happy to announce the addition of a new section to my website that is devoted to the fine music of Steely Dan. The secrets of the Mu Major chord revealed!

For the gang of "usual suspects" who semi-regularly discuss SD chord changes, instrumentation, whether or not THAT clavinet note in I Got The News was meant to be so loud etc etc, there probably won't be any big revelations in the material I've put up. But I hope there may be some examples or thoughts that will be of interest. And to those that have always wondered what this Steely Dan Mu Major chord business is all about, well, I got the news:

http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/mu-major.html

(or follow the Homepage link above right).

Feedback, thoughts, comments etc welcome!

Howard

| YGK | Day: 25

Clas: re: post 2779: "what are you doing in Florida?"

I was attending an East Coast meeting of the FCUK (Fry Clas from the United Kingdom) Committee, which was held in beautiful Fort Meyers.
The meetings went well; all our plans are in place, and our Russian problem has disappeared. The meetings when so well, and were short enough to
allow us to experience some local colour: hookers, gamblers, parties till dawn, experimentation with the new ecstacy(sp!) (it's so progressive, it's called "Y" ["X" is passe now]),
17 year old girls in thong bikinis, jetski jumping over piers, gun duels with rubber bullets, etc.
A real hoopla, it was.

Just Kidding ;-)

ygk

| WJAZee | Day: 25

Vai is a virtuoso rock guitarists but ultimatly wears a bit thin after youÆve heard him a few times, although he was truly in his element with Zappa.

| WJAZee | Day: 25

Out to Lunch:
Last night I dreamed of an old lover dressed in gray
I've had this fever now since yesterday.

| Duncan | Day: 25

Hmmm.. Steve Vai
Played with DLR in the late 80's, Also on Public Image ltd ''compact disc''86.

Too flashy me thinks

| Out to Lunch | Day: 25

WJAZ;
The rules are changed
It's not the same
It's all NEW players in a whole new ball game

| WJAZee | Day: 25

You missed Zappa !! oh boy have your missed out on a real treat !!

"Shut up and play your Guitar" (just one famous Zappa album)

| lp, coffee not ready | Day: 25

steviedan - yes, i still think you are great - what's new there?

aus - everyone's gone to the movies?

| Beerberian always willin' to learn | Day: 25

Bad S; Thx for that .... I'll let you know what I think .. Zappa passed me by (I was going thru a Motown/Philly Soul phase @ that tyme)

| Bad S | Day: 25

BB - Mike Keneally - Ex member of the Frank Zappa band (around the time of "the best band you never heard" which happens to be one of my personal favourites) - He was brought in to play the impossible guitar parts previously executed by Stevi Vai. I saw him playing in the tribute to Zappa show a few years back - As far as I am aware they still tour with all ex band memebers. A video is available - Check Amazon.

His own music is more of the same - Angular harmony, difficult time signatures, pushing the boundaries etc - Very interesting stuff.

Would recommend Wayne Krantz, Tribal Tech, Allan Holdsworth, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones and many others for more of the same (ie creative music that challenges the intellect and has no regard for Music business executives).

Ask Steveedan - Hes got the news.

| j a s o n | Day: 25

Must post... must maintain Dannish existence...

Molly-- thanks, very much. To use psychobabble term i wish i had a substitute for, i'm in a ferociously invalidating situation now, so "hearing" that kind of thing from you helps. More remarks from me soon, I hope.

Christ, the postings pile up fast on this thing.

Could swear i heard donald singing a calypso-ish thing with the word "grapevine" repeated, in the grocery store tonight. i hope it wasn't him.

BC powder (aspirin plus caffeine) producing horrific nervous system reaction tonight. That means nothing to any of you, but i'm saying it anyway.

| Beerberian DSO Solutions Analyst | Day: 25

Steeeevie; Would that be Mike Keneally ???? rather spookily (GB Files like) I just, this minute completed an on-line purchase of "Wooden Smoke" (spec ed) Would u know this artiste then ????? Purely speculative purchase I was intrigued by the quotes on his website (www.keneally.com) partic drawn in by "...Masterful playing, superb arrangements and wonderful sounds. To be honest, this is the best headphone-to-oblivion album since Floyd's 'Wish You Were Here'. (5/5)" and the cross ref to Dan Stylee ... Oh and of course the band name Beer For Dolphins - we are always looking for new markets @ Coors LOL

GBers; While we're in acoustic reverb mode Any of yoose taken a look @ Ms Kathryn Williams yet ? Little Black Numbers spec rec

| My Namesake, My Namesake ... | Day: 24

Holy Cow !!! Pinch me, could I be dreaming? I just had a STEVIEDAN sighting !!!

I hope you are doing well and that you will post soon and tell us of your recent adventures and exploits ... and speaking of exploits ...

W1P - we need you (and a small entourage) to come down and join us at Paladino's Thursday night, July 11 at 8 PM sharp ... I just started planning the set list, and I am trying to cram in as many tunes as possible, so I don't think we are going to go on "fashionably late". So bring your fine self and a few fine others down with you, after all,

Angel said she couldn't make it ... and ... oh well. I wonder if Mr. Tedde would be willing to come up for this one? Dare I dream of Keneally?

Steveedan (BMF for PL) - any takers?

| C | Day: 24

Stevie - good. I was a little worried there a while.

¦ - MY homework? What are you talkin' about son? It's YOUR homework.

---

Cyn - maybe she's updating the site. I got so inspired you see, I want to paint a cow, and I need to ask her if she's doing the painting under the sun or just takes a pic and finnish the stuff in the studio.

Though I am suffering from Cow Terror, the idea of sitting in pastureland is not very appealing. Maybe I could build one of those cages divers has when they film Sharkes?

And even then, how the hell do you make the cow stand still?

PS/ YGK - what are you doing in Florida?

| Jimbo | Day: 24

If anyone agrees that Clear Channel should be dealt with painfully, there's a web site for you.

http://www.clearchannelsucks.org

It takes a look at what the media conglomerate has done to dominate, homoginize, and rape the freedoms of DJs and audience members.

Plus, you might want to pay attention to Sen. Fiengold's proposal to abolish the Telecommunications act of 1996. Read his proposal to bring
radio stations back to local ownership and let's stand behind him.

| steviedan | Day: 24

every now and then i know it's kinda hard to tell, but i'm...

still alive and well...

the loneliest monk no more...

i think i'm back...

do you still care for me ?

| father william | Day: 24

ole - read your DEET references -YUCH

memory loss, headache, weakness, fatigue, muscle and joint pain, tremors and shortness of breath

I thought it was just old age.

| oleander | Day: 24

Aja--You got me! Great to hear from you. Mmmmmaybe we can re-reconnoiter in NO!

Hutch--Unless your insurance prohibits it (and even then, if you can afford it!) find another neurosurgeon. That is inexcusable. But remember that all carpenters see problems as nails to be hammered. (And no offense!)

jjeff & berbie--well, thank you, dollinks. Perhaps all doctors should be made to put our hands in the Bene Gesserit box if we neglect to wash them well. Hey, this round of vanco's on me.

Jimbo--Love it! "Radio Radio" AND your idea. I particularly love how he says "anEEsthetize." Fucking creeping monopolies.

Mu--Gol-LEE, man. The operative thing you said was actually "I don't know." There is a lot of controversy right now among arbovirologists and public health policy types as to what the best way to manage WNV is, but by no means is blanket spraying (which hits only adults, not larvae or eggs) The Answer. It's the old use-a-nuke-to-trap-a-mouse technique, and damn the fallout. In areas where there are lots of cases (I believe I said), spraying can help. In low-prevalence areas, it's not very effective. Do me a favor: find out what they're spraying for after floods, etc. and what evidence there is for success. WNV vector mosquitoes are CONTAINER breeders, not open water breeders. So being surrounded by water doesn't mean anything with respect to WNV. Up here where there are lots of old tire farms and old trees with woodpecker holes, there are PLENTY of desirable habitats for WNV vectors. Preventive measures in this case ARE very effective. And what kind of comparison is that to wish on your kid? Invidious!! You are playing two unknowns against one another with a completely emotional thumb on one side of the balance, and you know it. And the choice would be better put with the SAME person having WNV encephalitis vs. cancer. Geddouddahere. You would be closer to the mark worrying about car accidents, breast cancer WITHOUT pesticide exposure, and even Lyme disease than WNV with its low incidence and high ratio of mild:severe disease. Plus, dammit, you made me chase that article down, and you've misstated the conclusion: true, I can only access the abstract, but: "Our results suggest that pesticides may increase risk of pancreatic cancer, and indicate the need for investigations that can evaluate risk by specific chemical exposures." Also, they're ONLY talking about pancreatic cancer. Now, about DEET: The EPA is comfortable about saying they think it's safe--yet they won't allow child safety labels on products containing it. And though there's no evidence of carcinogenicity to date, get a load of the other problems which are or may be related to it before you ladle it on: http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/deet-ext.html; http://dukenews.duke.edu/med/deet.htm. PS: Deet is NOT what is used in broadcast spraying. Look those babies up. The questions of carcinogenicity do not just go away. One more link and I'm done: good explanation of the spraying issue and WNV in general: http://www.naba.org/wnvirus.html PPS: If my kids are in a high mosquito or deer tick area, I'm going to DEET them, but without enthusiasm and with awareness of the devil's bargain I'm making.

Trains.... I love them. Great rides: the bullet train from Madrid to Sevilla.... Couchette from Madrid to Bilbao.... Sleeper through Mazatlan to LA.... Observation car from Sacramento to Ann Arbor.... What a misbegotten transportation policy this county has.

| Aussie | Day: 24

Doctor Mu: "Brill-ain't"....LOL. That was another typo....you brought up Mr. Stanley Kubrick, my favourite director of all time. And you know what? This piece of work, "Minority Report" has all the makings of a Kubrick classic. The graininess of the celluloid, the mis-en-scene, and the film's very topic itself scream Kubrick. Indeed, Mr. Spielberg has, sans doubt, outdone himself.....again.

More recently, I popped in Mr. Kubrick's "Lolita" and was acutely reminded what a phenomenal piece of work that was and still will be forever relevant to any student or aficionado of film. Mr. Peter Sellers' role alone is worth the price of admission...the guy was fucking BRILLIANT. hehehehe.

Angel: You're welcome darling....anytime.

Aja: Where's that brush dammit!

Aus

| StAl | Day: 24

Back to HR 3782. Here's the response I received from my local congressman, Jay Inslee. And it's why I (almost) always vote democrat...

Keep in mind this state has one of the biggest meth lab problems in the country.

There are many republicans and democrats that lending support to this bill. It is up to you to show your congressperson just how poorly worded this bill is.

~~~~~~
Dear Mr. Beemer:

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about H.R. 3782, the Clean, Learn, Educate, Abolish, Neutralize, and Undermine Production (CLEAN-UP) of Methamphetamines Act of 2002. I appreciate hearing from you.

I understand your concerns with Section 305 of this bill. As you know, Section 305, titled Liability of Promoters of Drug-Oriented Entertainment, attempts to hold the sponsors of an event accountable for the activities that may occur at that event. While I believe that people and groups who sponsor events have a responsibility to ensure that they are not promoting the use of illicit substances, the language in this section is entirely too ambiguous. The most fundamental concern I have with this section of H.R. 3782 is the fact that the bill's language refers only to a "controlled substance," not methamphetamine specifically. Further, the ambiguity of the bill's language could, while attempting to fight the spread of methamphetamine in dance clubs, could end up hurting promoters of professional sporting events, county fairs, or even high school proms. Under H.R. 3782, if a high school student is caught smoking marijuana at a high school prom, the high schools that sponsored the prom could be held accountable to the point where school administrators could be fined and jailed for the actions of a rogue student. I do not believe this is the best way to fight the use and spread of methamphetamine in our communities. Please know that if H.R. 3782 comes to the floor of the House for a vote I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind.

I firmly believe Methamphetamine abuse is a major problem in the United States, and the problem is especially serious in Washington State. Unfortunately, Washington State ranks second in the country in the number of methamphetamine laboratories and dump sites. Too many communities, including those in Washington State, are being poisoned by the toxins and chemicals used to make methamphetamine, so I will continue to work with my colleagues to give our state the resources we need to deal successfully with the methamphetamine crisis.

I hope that you will continue to contact me about the ideas that concern you. I encourage you to contact me via email, telephone, or fax, because recent security measures are causing House offices to experience delays in receiving postal mail. My email address is: Jay.Inslee@mail.house.gov. Please be sure to include your full address, including your zip code, in your message. As your representative, I both need and welcome your thoughts and ideas.

Very Truly Yours,

JAY INSLEE
Member of Congress

JRI/mt

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| ╡ | Day: 24

Aussie: Brill-aint is about right !

"The opening crime scene involving an enraged cuckolded husband baring scissors was quite graphic and heavy as far as the "adultness" of the sex involved....also later in the film, robotic spiders climb onto a couple that's fucking in bed to scan their retinas..."

no, not for kiddies anymore...

You've honed in on two of the scenes that separate old Spielberg from new Spielberg - my brain was resonating "Kubrick" at the time...Kubrick without the coldness and Speilberg without the Polyanna (aside from the period epics Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan). The scene near the end where Agatha (pre-Cog) describes the potential future of the son was classic ET poignant and emotive...then she slashes the dream and reality (or this one at least) descends...

It's true...this one is gripping from the first nanosecond...

| Hutch | Day: 24

uh-huh... just as I predicted.

| W1P | Day: 24

Steevee, Clovis is a suburb of Fresno.

| angel | Day: 24

Aussie: Thanks for the frank answer. I got weird vibes from the preview I saw a few weeks ago and that is what made me ask the question. We will definitely go sans child.

| Mr Sticks | Day: 24

This week join Steely Fan Band as we make our first appearance down south..sanDiego way..at the San Diego County Fair!
This Thursday evening,June 27,2002..catch an evening of great music at the fair,located on the Del Mar fairgrounds in Del MAR,cA.

The evening beings at 7pm with music from the one and only ....
PETER FRAMPTON...followed by the STEELY FAN BAND on the FUNZONE STAGE!
Tickets are available for general admission at the fairground main entrance and the shows are included!
Thanks!
Mr.Sticks
Steely Fan Band
http://www.steelyfanband.com

| Aja...........calling oleander | Day: 24

ole-I just sent you an e-mail, but don't know if I have an up-to-date address. If it gets to you, the send field has just my first name, and "hey there" in the subject field. It looks like spam but it's not, it's me!

Aja

| Leadfingers, F, BL, MD, & KM (also BMF) for PL ... | Day: 24

Fingers ... my Matey !!!

You get my undying gratitude (I know, another worthless prize, like another necktie for Father's Day ...). I am not sure how far Clovis is from Los Angeles, but I bet it is much closer than jolly ole England. Thank you for the mention my friend. I have a friend, the drummer of the doctor Wu Steely Dan tribute band in Los Angeles who has a very impressive collection of posters and other things Steely. I am sure that he has something signed, that if I beg, he might let me touch ... as long as I can refrain from drooling all over it ...

So you met someone who met Rick Wakeman (who along with Keith Emerson probably comprises THE ELITE of the elite of Rock Keyboardists ...). Talk about wanting some fairy dust ?!?

As much of an admitted stage ham as I am, I do not believe that I possess the fairy dust you seek, for, I seek it too. To me this fairy dust comes from Wakeman, Emerson, Fagen (and the entire team of Steely keyboard players - Griffin, Grolnick, O'Martian, Hancock, Philinganes, (my bassist's Dad Victor) Feldman, Bernhardt, Beasley, and Baker), Corea, Jarrett, Zawinul, Zeitlin, Gershwin, Peterson, Shearing, Newborn Jr., and on and on and on. Touch these guys and get some serious fairy dust !!!

I too, would like to add my endorsement of the brand new Technicolor Motorhome 2002 compilation CD. I can't wait to get my own copy. You will find our Pretzel Logic band's rendition of Babylon Sisters on it.

And remember local GB-ers to save Thursday July 11 at 8 PM for the "downbeat" of Pretzel Logic band's debut performance.

After all ... We love to tour the southland ...

Steveedan (who wants to take a stab at "BMF" ?)

| Aussie | Day: 24

Angel: Absolutely not. That's the one bad thing about this film. Its rating. It definitely necessitated a stronger rating (Restricted). The opening crime scene involving an enraged cuckolded husband baring scissors was quite graphic and heavy as far as the "adultness" of the sex involved....also later in the film, robotic spiders climb onto a couple that's fucking in bed to scan their retinas......not material for an 11 plus year old kid. No way. But you go. You'll love it.

Mu: In an earlier post,I mean to type the word brilliant, not brillaint.

Floridavid: Enjoying the colour from Florida. Gotta get my ass down there brother....soon. It'll happen. Guaranteed.

Aus

| Stan Henson | Day: 24

Rob our friend has asked you to leave her alone. If you ever lift a finger to harm her in any way ever again, I will bounce your sorry ass all over Texas. Count on it. Be a gentleman and do as the Lady wants.

| Aja....summer, the summer, this is the cool part of the summer | Day: 24

Definitely agree with Cyn-dollbaby, bolt the doors, get out the double-barreled shotgun and tell Tex that you mean business when you say get out of town!

Good to see ya, Cyn! Hope things are well with you and the boys.

Aja

| angel | Day: 24

Aussie/Mu: Can I bring the 11 1/2 year old to Minority Report? The child has seen things like MI2. Is it similar in style, to that?

Steveedan: I can't change my plans for July now. You know how travel is, penalties for any changes. Another time, maybe.

| Aussie | Day: 24

Doctor Mu: Brillinat colour on Mr. Speilberg's latest effort, "Minority Report". An instant cult classic, Babes and I were riveted from the first nano second of the film's opening. I would highly recommend this flick to anyone looking for a well made, time forward piece of entertaining celluloid.....SEE IT!!! (And I was never a fan of Mr. Tom Cruise either)

Jimbo: I just rode on Amtrak's elite line, Acela, and believe me, its worth every penny over the grungy, grainy alternative. Sleek, super fast and eerily quiet, the train features super comfy lounge chairs, an upscale cafe, a strictly enforced smoke free environment, music and CNN available, dvd's and other nice perks, plus a sensual metallic female voice urging you to do things over the PA system......a sheer delight to ride, the Acela has only Business Class and First Class service, but for your trip to Newport, it could be the best way to go. I know it was for me to Washington DC and back this past weekend (Sailing with law school buds on the Chesapeake Bay- so there Malcolm!)

Aus

| Fingers atingle | Day: 24

DANO
Duncan can't make Tamworth but Beerberian and a hefty mob are headed that way if you'd like to meet up........forge a few more links in the UK front line? The United Dandom Needs You. Be great to see you again and give us a chance to grab a mugshot for the wall too. A swallie's nae a swallie withoot auld Dano"

Anyone else in the GB care to come along for 2 hours of The 'Dan, LIVE and Loud....with Mr. Glynn (Carlton Schmarlton) Davies blistering on lead! LOVE to meet you all.......whatcha up to Thursday 11th July Molly?

STEVEEDAN
Ok what's my runners-up prize for almost revealing your Rumplestiltskin?
We had a family group from Clovis CA come up to The Old Mill gig on Sunday especially to catch the show. They went away with a CD, many new friends and grins from ear to ear..suitably impressed, entertained royally and packed off with a recomendation to check out PL asap when they get home to The USA.

I got to touch a signed poster by D&W on Sunday....the real McCoy......it tingled, the majic imparted, the keys fell sweetly under my fingers..I was a beast possessed... a much covetted piece of parchment believe me!!!!

Also got to shake the hand of a man who'd shook the hand of Rick Wakeman not 12 hours earlier.......I'll do anything gris gris to get my playing up to scratch...how much are souls trading for these days? How's about a pinch of Steveedan's fairy dust?

| ╡ | Day: 24

fw: Yes, I can see how jogging in that smog would imprint a large aversion...

So many things in Louisiana that can do one in, some better than others...

I know someone worked for Exxon for 30 years and is the healthiest 75 year old I've ever seen...go figure - sorry about your Dad...

While doing some research on other work related stuff, I took a few minutes to run a Medline search and noticed that the pesticide DDT banned years ago had the greatest relation to cancer, especially breast cancer. Organophosphates were surprisingly iffy not as much of a relationship as thought previously - best to be safe and they *are* being phased out know...

Some useful information in one article (American Journal of Industrial Medicine. 39: 92-99, 2001) which clearly showed that the risk of cancer assumed to be from pesticide exposure, was actually from *herbicides* and *fungicides*. This got my attention.

Looks like it's back to pulling weeds in the driveway cracks - I already let them add to the diversity of the lawn (one of the few arguments I've won over my wife) and just letting the brown patch go in the fall - fungicides are pretty nasty stuff...

| X | Day: 24

When I think of you
I think of sex
But when I think it through
I'm glad you're my ex
my ex my ex myyyy ex.....

| W1P | Day: 24

I know this is way off topic, but anybody here down with King's X?

| father william | Day: 24

¦ - I guess it depends on just what the risk of West Nile turns out to be. Better here where mosquitos are few and far between. Better here than Baton Rouge for a lot of reasons. I had several very bad asthma attacks after being zapped by the mosquito sprayers in BR. I suspect my father-in-law, a long term Exxon Chemical employee, would have been overjoyed to have lived to eighty, as would his colleagues.

| Jimbo | Day: 24

I still haven't decided on the Newport thing , yet. That depends if the fat old men in Congress get their heads out of their asses and agree to give Amtrak the $200 million needed. I don't mind telling you I like traveling by train. Planes I've rode in before but still need to take Dramamine. Buses, ICK! For example, for a trip from Providence to Newport that takes 30 miles, it actually takes more than 7 to 10 hours by bus? Plus, you have to sit next to some perverts, drunks and anything
that counts barely as human. With trains I get to see parts of America, plus there are restrooms, and eating places. And, you get to walk around.

Amtrak's partly to blame for not doing enough, or is it?

Anywho, thanks for some of the responses to the article on Clear Channel.
It's a damn shame when a conglomerate tells you what you should hear instead of us telling them what we want. I think someday, In America, a DJ with enough balls to play "Radio, Radio" will make the cover of Rolling Stone or Time and say what we radio listeners have been screaming for years, "I'm made as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore."

Bennett Zier comes off as some kind of being guy with delusions of grandeur and perhaps a bit of coke under his nose (talking about the powder kind). Plus he's a very dangerous man who talks like a slick
car salesman who pushes you to buy a particular car because he likes it,
knowing that you'll end up with a lemon. I wonder what kind of person would be in life, I don't know, could he be SATAN?

That guy must not know that he has cracks going around him with the stock situation. That Telecommunications act of 1996 was a mistake from the beginning and still is. The idiots who sold their stations to Clear Channel are just like Britian's Prime Minister Chamberlin in 1939 when he agreed to a peace treaty with some maniac that would come close to fitting Zier's style: Adolf Hitler.

Here's a solution, why not ask DJ's across America to stage a nationwide strike against Clear Channel and their autocratic way of life? The DJ'S who play what we want should just get up from their chairs, walk out, pick up a picket sign and leave the radio silent until Clear Channel agrees to all concessions, plus giving them andthe program directors full access to auditioning songs for airplay, not go by what these conglomerates want us to hear.

If you call your radio station to request a Steely Dan song, but refuse to
play it, ask them if the needs of Clear Channel are more important than ours. If they feel as you do, tell them to organize a strike or boycott.
Let the stations be silent for a while.

Now, I will be silent for now. But see what you think about this?

| Jake | Day: 24

Hi Molly...
Thanks for the kind words on my guitar playing.
I hope others here will check out my music at: jakefleder.com
The first video just won first place in a contest in Arizona. They're the only station that has seen the video so far, so we're doing pretty good, I guess.
Jake...

| ╡ | Day: 24

fw: I don't know about you, but I left for the PCBs and other petrochemical wastes, dioxin & sulfoxides and other air pollutants. The water in Baton Rouge was from deep well aquifers, but in neighboring towns and N'awlins, from the Mississicki...kick it up with a bad diet and cancer is inevitable...

There's an infamous story from the early 80s about I think a BASF plant that was dumping some untreated stuff into the river south of Baton Rouge. The scary thing was when the Feds tested the water for marker organic toxins, upstream vs. downstream of the waste site, they could find NO differences downstream vs. upstream since the water was in such crappy shape...

Having said that... I'd rather die at 80 from cancer, than my child die at 10 from West Nile...

| Cyn | Day: 24

WHOAAAAAAAAA (texan for stop )...Tex..spooky poem, song,...or whatever. Sounds on the borderline of stalking.

YIKES!

Run, Toto, Run !

| Tex | Day: 24

My wild one
I have always been a hunter
You've always known that about me
We both know that you would never be satisfied with some docile, weak,
band geek refugee
You belong to me and I would never hurt what is mine
You know this also
I made two mistakes
I should never have let you go
and I lost my temper with you
You made the mistake of thinking that I was like the others

Nothing has changed
I loved you then
I love you now

I'll see you soon dollbaby

| father william | Day: 24

¦ - Baton Rouge, chemical happy beyond belief, already sprays to the degree that it's unhealthy for humans, one of the many reasons that I escaped from there fiteen years ago. Are a few cases of West Nile worse that even more cancer?

| StAl | Day: 24

jjeff: Last time I heard that one I fell off my dinosaur...rimshot

Mu: Good point about the ACLU. Maybe it's because most of the ACLU work is pro-bono and therefore the lawyers need to get as much publicity bang for the buck as possible. Defending obscure pieces legislation isn't as sexy as Larry Flint...

Er, um, you know what I mean...

Also, regarding the Elvis song you're quoting. He did the guest DJ thing on KMTT a few weeks back and specifically talked about the meaning of that song and what prompted him to write it. He said he was completely disgusted by the sate of radio. He said something to the effect that all he ever heard when he turned it on was crap like Flock of Segulls and Haircut 100.

Yes, people. The 80's DID SUCK.

StAl

| oops | Day: 24

...any law that has the consequence of limiting individual freedom from making a living and limiting 1st ammendment rights should be CORRECTED...

| ╡ - one last thingy | Day: 24

Jimbo - that the problem with a bill as large as The Telecommunications Act of 1996. It was supposed to be Al Gore's invention of the internet. Instead, attourney s of Murdock and Clear Channel have allowed domination the airways...generally, I wanted limited Fed intervention, but a new set of targeted bills is needed to correct the loopholes...any law that has the consequence of limiting individual freedom from making a living and limiting 1st ammendment rights should be championed...I'm always puzzled why the ACLU jumps to Larry Flynt's aid, while ignoring the real problems, like this one...

Clas: This material has already been covered...I'm not doing your homework again...

Radio Radio

by Elvis Costello

I was tuning in the shine on the light night dial
doing anything my radio advised
with every one of those late night stations
playing songs bringing tears to me eyes
I was seriously thinking about hiding the receiver
when the switch broke 'cause it's old
They're saying things that I can hardly believe.
They really think we're getting out of control.

Radio is a sound salvation
Radio is cleaning up the nation
They say you better listen to the voice of reason
But they don't give you any choice
'cause they think that it's treason.
So you had better do as you are told.
You better listen to the radio.

I wanna bite the hand that feeds me.
I wanna bite that hand so badly.
I want to make them wish they'd never seen me.

Some of my friends sit around every evening
and they worry about the times ahead
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference
and the promise of an early bed
You either shut up or get cut out;
they don't wanna hear about it.
It's only inches on the reel-to-reel.
And the radio is in the hands of such a lot of fools
tryin' to anaesthetise the way that you feel

[Chorus]

Wonderful radio
Marvelous radio
Wonderful radio
Radio, radio...

| ╡ - hell, the fall will kill you | Day: 24

Ole:

I don't know

(a) rapid dispersion nationwide
(b) hundreds of dead birds in Houston
(c) encephalitis and children
(d) 15% fatal
(e) no cure
(f) while Asheville has plenty of runoff, other locales like Houston or Baton Rouge are SURROUNDED BY WATER
(h) targeted spraying IS effective there, especially when needed after tropical systems and/or outbreaks of meningitis or encephalitis
(i) I don't know anybody here who doesn't know and practice the preventative steps already - weather anchors are constant reminders...

I say spray away baby...

Everyone must see Minority Report!!!!! The Vulcan mind meld between Kubrick and Spielberg during the "death to the fairytale" fizzler AI has paid off...

Amazing, vivid, and proper use of technology...well adapted and flushed out screenplay of the Phillip K. Dick short story...film noir style - very interesting semi-washed-out watercolor, grainy look with splashes of extra color here and there... something that will be part of film school discussion for years...you'll see and hear the precision and angles and imagery of Kubrick merged with Spielberg's storytelling to create a very unique style and look of a future...safety vs. freedom and fatalism vs. choice themes are well-woven into the movie...A+

| YGK | Day: 24

Firstly, I will also say to everyone - go to the TM 2002 Website and order your copy today! Brett has stepped up and put together a fine Compilation.

Now, a few words to summarize my trip - I will post an extensive play-by-play later - right now STILL in FLA!!!!!

JetBlueRocks!
Great Seafood and Company Thurs nite
$35 Hotel on the Back Bay Water
Patti delivers the goods
Jet Skiing for the First Time - WOOOO HOOO!!!!
and then.........{drumrollplease}
MEETING DAVID MOORE AT PIERSIDE
{hugsallround}
intros to his friends.....
"if you're a friend of David Moore, that's all the credentials you need"
David Rocks Pierside for 3 sets
Dancin, Dancin, Dancin!!!!
comments on my FCUK T-shirts
Friday night after gig: Janis Joplin Lives!
Stevie Ray (beer bottle Bobby)is Gigging with Janis Joplin!
Up all night listening to music - "get me rewrite!"
Saturday Ellie the Fine Masseuse re-aligns my spine
DAVID MOORE ROCKS AGAIN!!!!!
Jimmy B's with Brenda
And then turning heads with my dancin moves at the Lani Kai - the thong girls were missing
and then..........
on to Rancho Moore by the Sea!
Jacuzzi, pool, cocktails......and snoring......
Sunday - missed Church (damn it!)
Morning Swim with Coffee and a visit to the Charlotte Harbor Tour on the Utopia!
Lunch: Teriyaki Beef Kebobs, Onions, Corona, Rice, Salad, Corona, Cheese Bread......
Off to Producer Scott Gould's Studio.....
Fatty
Whoa!
9-Foot Young Chang Grand Piano, and every electronic keyboard known to mankind, including a Bob Moog Signed Theremin, Serial Number 0002.....
Jams which are recorded and will sent along to ST. Al with Pics....
-half a dozen vintage world class wines......
fatty
great conversation and art discussions....
time for bed, and we all sleep like rocks
(but of course, David Moore Rocks)
Coffee, Breafy, and we're off to the airport.....

I don't know what will happen over the next 9 hours, but
I
M
RE
Laxed
now.....

Kudo's to David (i.e. Mr. Social Director, and his lovely wife, Dale)

later, everyone.....

ygk

| me..again..spell check | Day: 24

that would be..where ever or is it?

Hell, I don't know...and its too damn hot to care..so there !

| Cyn | Day: 24

Well..well..well..HA!

I see the "book" is in its normal state...wherever that is.

clas, darling..haven't a clue about Lynny's site. Just checked it myself..I'll ask her later. Maybe revision??

sh..I'll call ya ! I promise ! And you KNOW how I keep my promises..hahaha!

Facey..will that be Iced coffee?? Its a scorcher out there...the hinges of hell.

Ok.. I'm off to Fla with the rocket scientist...staying at beach house right up from Cape Canaveral..(Cape Canaveral ? Rocket Scientist? Coincidence?...I think not ) I'm more scared of THAT concept..than I am of shark attacks...hahhaha..anybody have any shark repellent ????

Keep it cool, Kids !!!

| Hutch | Day: 24

jjeff - Omnipotent assholes? I'll go along with that. My experience with doctors has been less than encouraging to say the least. In 1998 an egotistical boob mis-diagnosed my chest pains as "esophageal spasms brought on by acid reflux". He made a vague suggestion that I ought to "think about" getting a stress test, but he never scheduled one. A week later I went to the emergency room and had an angioplasty performed.
A little over a year ago I woke up one morning with the fingers on both hands tingling like an electric current was being run through them. It went away except for two areas on my right ring finger. The Primary Care physician I was seeing at the time took x-rays and determined that I have three "bone spurs" on my spine at my neck and this was what was causing the tingling in my fingers.
I went to see a neurosurgeon. When I showed up they said "do you have your x-rays"? I said "No. I didn't know it was my job to retreive them and bring them over here". The neurosurgeon examined me anyway and said he was pretty sure it was carpal tunnel syndrome. I finally located the x-rays and took them over to his office a couple of weeks later. I gave them to the receptionist and asked her to give them to the doctor so he could see them and let me know if his original diagnosis stood or if he changed his mind after seeing the x-rays. This was over six months ago and I haven't heard another word from his office.
I asked my current GP about it. He said he knew this neurosurgeon and he would contact him and get an answer for me. This was over a month ago. I've made two calls to his office and left messages with his assistant about it and I have yet to hear anything at all from his office.
So I'm left enduring the pain across my shoulders from these spurs and no one is giving me any real answers.

Now, I'm not stupid. I know that being a doctor is certainly not the easiest job on Earth. One or two of our friends on this board are physicians and I'm sure they are quite good at what they do.

My experiance has been less than encouraging.

| Beerberianbeefeater | Day: 24

Dunc; You could go to the tower for That! LOL A Sir AND a Beatle how much more royal could he be ?????

| Beerberian | Day: 24

C; NO I meant Garden Party - "No Static at All" An instrumental tribute to steely dan (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=CD&title=80392)

| What's the name of that show? | Day: 24

Can't find it on those moron swedish cd-sites.

| duncan | Day: 24

What has three legs & lives on a farm ?

Why it's Mr & Mrs Mcartney

| C | Day: 24

I guess you are meaning the the Buckingham Show? Great, I must by that one.

| Beeberian | Day: 24

Clas; I have placed my order ..... awaiting news of the shipping costs . I took delivery of Garden Party - No Static @ All this morn .....the drive into work was SO much more pleasurable The DSO use it 'tween sets - Now I'll use it 'tween DSO gigs Ho Hum ...... and the Devil take the hindmost.

| Clas | Day: 24

And everybody;

Go on now and order the Technicolor CD, it's great stuff, at least the songs I have heard.

| Beerberian (ex Microbiologist) | Day: 24

Jjeff; Vancomycin all round then ????? and may I suggest you Autoclave the Doctors ...... it's the only way they'll learn .....cruel to be kind LOL

| Clas @ Work, summer is peaking. | Day: 24

Dragon - haven't watched Letterman for a long time. Thanks for the info though. I think Felicia is great. A woman with a guitar... very sexy, she's so pro, hope she comes back.

I wouldn't blame her if she doesn't.

---

¦ - "well documentet"? You're a scientist, gimme your sources.

And do you think a man of Fagens caliber would let anyone else take care of charting/arranging the horns out of pure laziness?

Come on now... or give up... I am moving on, but if you wanna respond, well, fine.

---

StAl - I emailed you today about Jonas email address.

| jjeff-one more before the month's out | Day: 24

Oleander-MRSA. It's not official, but it's suspected the doctors have spread it by not washing their hands in between patients. Omnipotent assholes.

For the non-medicals, MRSA stands for Methicillin( drug) resistant Staphylococcus Aureus( bacteria).

| Steveedan | Day: 23

Molly, jjeff, Fingers and Dano - thank you all for your kind support. I must confess though that I am a huge ham and love the attention. It is a dream come true that I am fortunate enough to have put together (and kept together for the past 7 months) a band of very talented (half of which are career professionals), nice congenial people who love Steely Dan. Without this passion, it could never be very good.

Angel - I can't believe you are not going to be able to come out for this one. Please try to move your schedule around ... I promise not to disappoint.

Also, I found out tonight that there will be another band following Pretzel Logic at our debut July 11 gig. It will be a Fleetwood Mac tribute band. So instead of 2 80 minute sets, we will do one jam-packed set of around 100 minutes.

And finally to Fingers Shotan (again) ... you were almost right about those initials in paranthesis after my sign out.

Founder, Band Leader, Musical Director and Keyboard Man for Pretzel Logic.

Have a great week, everyone.

Steveedan

| oleander | Day: 23

Great reportage on the Sgt. Pepper concert. Sigh....

jjeff--whatcha got there? VRE? MRSA? Some other yucky bug?

Mu--I wouldn't call West Nile "horrifying," not yet anyway, but certainly it's getting gradually scarier. I've been following it since it surfaced in NY in '99. That year, it appeared in 2 states and caused 62 human cases (7 deaths, in the elderly). It's spread since then to 27 states + DC as of last year, and the number of reported human cases in '01 was 66 with 9 deaths--a very small increase over '99 after a big DEcrease in '00 (21 reported). The worst part about last year was that 12 of the cases were in younger people--30's to 50's, with one 19 year old, and that the mortality rate was 14%, higher than before. So far this year, it's in 16 states, earlier than last year. It will probably continue its inexorable spread throughout the country and become like St. Louis or eastern equine encephalitis--something that is always with us. More than 25 mosquito species carry it. There's no specific treatment, and no vaccine. However, the best means of control is NOT mass spraying, which can cause many spillover problems, like toxicity to the environment (water supply, other species including people and other animals), and unless used properly it doesn't have much effect on the mosquitoes. It is likely to be of some use in areas with lots of cases (is that why fewer cases were reported in '00?). But prevention is the key otherwise--so make sure you don't have any containers with standing water around (these mosquitoes can breed in less than a cup!), avoid strolling around outside at dawn or dusk, wear long sleeves/ pants, use bug repellent (DEET), etc. Trouble is, there is no evidence that liberal/ radical use of DEET over the long term is safe in children OR adults. There IS evidence that Skin So Soft does not really work. Everybody should remember that only a VERY small percentage of people who get bitten actually get sick, and that most people who get WNV don't get very sick at all--more like a flu-like illness which resolves by itself. There's lots of info on the Net about WNV, needless to say; CDC has good info at www.cdc.gov, and mapwatchers can go to http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/research/west_nile/wnv_map.html for up-to-date info.

Uh yeah, SD content: heard Muzak version of "Peg" at a conference in Charlotte last week.... Speaking of statistics, I do believe it's way outside the realm of probability to hear the Dan as much as I do in ambient sound....

Go St. Al.

| angel | Day: 23

Jimbo: Great article, that basically says it all. I believe in localism and unfortunately, that is not the wave of the future.

Thanks for the kind comments. I had a blast and I was glad to share.

| Jimbo | Day: 23

If you want to find out why radio audiences are turning off,
check out this:

http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20020623clear0623fnp3.asp

I think it's Clear to know what the problem is.

| YGK | Day: 23

Still REEEE-laxing here in the FLA, and now am headed off to an informal Jam -this guy apparently just about every keyboard known to man......and a 24 track digital recording studio to boot......

Anyway -a full report when I return......

ygk

| W1P | Day: 23

Hey angel, I'm surprised lovebob didn't insist on Echoes as TSD's warmup music! There's a rumor that lovebob might make an appearance in Agoura on July 13 to see that little ol' band from LA Wheeeeech Wooooons Peeeeeeeeeeeeenk.

| jjeff-...and 1more thing... | Day: 23

MU: Thanks for the info. Always appreciate it.

| jjeff- Shit! I always do this | Day: 23

Pat: Heard a George Carlin joke on the radio today and thought of you.

What do people say at a Grateful Dead concert when they run out of dope?

" Man, this band really sucks!" ROFL

| jjeff - Give me spots on apples | Day: 23

Molly/Angel: I don't mind the nibbles. It's the ones that use fruit as part of their reproductive cycle. They lay eggs in the calyx( sp.) of the bud so the fruit matures over it and it eats it's way out. And Molly, male urine really does work to keep deer away if you can't find a fence high enough. I use both but hate having the fence(3 strands 2ft. apart to make an 8ft fence which they can still jump if their determined so I'm told)electrified when I'm home, and hey, the pee's free.

Stevedan: Ditto Daaaaaaaannnooo. Good luck on the premiere. You'll do fine.

See ya'll next month.

| Dano | Day: 23

Just listening to Aja at the moment as i am nursing the biggest Mother of a Hangover known to man!! Went out after Golf yesterday and stayed for a full sesh at the Battle Cruiser!!

So hear goes..... Aus you heard from Malc yet , down in the glades!!

Fingers , Whats the scoop with Tamworth are we all heading for a Mini Danfest!! Are we up for a big Swallie on Don & Walt!!

Where is The Wormster!!

Steeve , Good luck on the opening night mate.

Angel , great colour on your website on TSD.....Good Reading young lady!!

Third World Man , Missed you again when i was in Toon last week , we need to arrange something soon mate!! Celtic v Spurs in August fancy coming to see two top class teams in action mate!!

Leggin it to the medicine cabinet!!

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 23

Hi gang!
Angel, I too have problems with the various critters snacking on my vegetable garden and fruit trees. I use tabacco juice as a bug spray. It washes away easily enough, without causing any nasty problems for the environment....a light mist of soapy water also seems to work pretty well.Now if I can just keep those pesky deers and such out of my veggies...lol lol. Wish we had a way to trade fruits girlfriend, I got peaches and berries out the kazoo...oh well.
Fingers, It's ok bud....I'm going to be 35 soon. I doubt that i'm going to be able to continue rockclimbing much longer. It's a challenging sport.I'm discovering that my body doesn't quite recover from injuries and the like as it did at 20! We'll find other ways to amuse ourselves... *wink* :)
Stevee, good luck with your performance! Sending good thoughts your way...Wish I could see you guys :)
lcpaul, are you still out there in Banyanland?
Jackie, going to see Hamlet and I'll think of you. Try to catch some live performances of ol Will Shakespeare babe.... it will make all the difference in the world.
until we meet again dear ones....
in peace and love of the Dan M.

| Miz Ducky | Day: 23

Re: 2715 -- great review, Angel! Sounds like a fun time for all. (Bob does have a knack for the on-stage quips, does he not?)

/the Mam'zelle
(so many concerts, so little frequent-flyer mileage)

| Fingers | Day: 23

Founder, Band Leader, Managing Director and Keyboards Manager(Maestro?) for Pretzel Logic......STEVEEDAN

You're dead right...we are born with our faces but get to choose our music.......cooooooool!
The UK tribes are gathering in force that's true enough...so yep book that double decker Concorde and maybe a trailor too for the rowdier element...the Brits are coming!
As for the PL hookup...we'll take the graveyard shift.....no problem.....4am is an apt hour for that Dan mood... with strong booze or perhaps more sensibly, coffee on tap. I'm usually up at that time anyway thanks to my little early rooster Mistah K.T.!
Break several legs on your first PL date...take precautions, don't talk to strange men, and be home before midnight.........ok?
I'll be watching out for you.

MOLLY
Prince?........HRH Kermit the frog methinks!
I've only ever scrambled up some pathetically easy rock faces in the way distant past and wriggled through some tight places in my speliological youth. If I could overcome that gut churning, brow sweating, knee trembling reaction to heights I'd be there with ya.... very well belayed. I LOVE the idea of hanging out there on the edge but I fear I'd be a liability too far. Light aircraft no problem........a ledge or an edge?....aagggggggghhhhhh!

WJAZ
Thanks for trying to waken the dead on the forum...I guess it's just no competition for the banter here, but I'll try anything to get the UK fandom on their feet and out supporting live Dan bands. When you coming to a show....get that chord off Glynn...meet the crew etc?

| angel | Day: 22

Steveedan: Yes, I got the same message, but the band was Rockola, not The Steely Damned. I would have loved to hear 5 hours of Dan music. No go on 7/11. Not available at all that day.

Mu/jjeff: Yes we have insects, as a matter of fact a squirel is eating my plums. They were fine this morning, but tonight some had bites in them. Boy was I upset. :-)
I was just kidding about no pesticides. I don't use them on fruit trees at all, that is just me.

Ann Landers died today. I am so sorry to hear that. Sigh....

| Steveedan | Day: 22

jjeff - first there was the flying squirrel in the vacuum cleaner, then there was the "nard-tree" protected by a perimeter of piss ?!? Can it get any better than this ? I wonder ...

Angel - sounds like another great evening with TSD. I got a couple of e-mails today from Mr. Tedde (one of which you probably got too). The first one was his reaction to my story about my chance meeting of Shep and Cave, and the 2nd one was about the last minute gig that TSD got for tonight at Dick's in the Gaslamp District of downtown San Diego. They are playing for 5 hours (with an appropriate number of breaks I hope) from 8 PM until 1 AM. I'd love to know what the set list will be for this gig ...

I hope that you, W1P, and any other interested locals will want to come to ...

THE PRETZEL LOGIC BAND'S FIRST PUBLIC PERFORMANCE

(Oops, almost forgot ...) S H A M E L E S S .. P L U G G I N G ...

Hello one and all ... you are all cordually invited to attend Pretzel Logic's first ever gig at Paladino's (located in Tarzana, CA at the NW corner of Reseda Blvd. and Topham St., 1 block North of Oxnard St.) Thursday night, July 11, 2002 at 8 PM. As of this promo, no other bands have been booked for this evening, so it's 3 hours of Steely Dan music played by the "new (show biz) kids in town".

Print out this message and receive $2 off of the $7 cover charge. Tell them Steveedan sent ya.

Fingers - either we would have to start playing at noon, or you would have to play at 4 AM Friday morning for the satellite hook-up to work. Alas. I saw your picture (yah, yah, your name in lights above it ...) that Duncan shot of you. What are you apologizing about? You are playing keyboards in a band playing the hippest music around. Joke 'em if they can't take a F%Since the U.K. contingent has gotten so large, I'm gonna have to charter a larger jet.

Howard - I lifted the Outro chord progression from the live version of Aja from the "Alive In America" CD. Let me know if you want them.

Steveedan (F, BL, MD, & KM for PL) ... Anyone want to try to guess this one?

| ╡ | Day: 22

angel, jjeff: SoCal was well-known for limited number of mosquitos and other insects. Fruit fly invasions in the 80s and 90s did play havoc on orchards and farms. Insecticides and growth regulators and sterlizing sprays were used. Now Killer Bees have supposedly found their way to SoCal...

In Texas, mites have stopped the Killer Bees cold around a line from Corpus Christi to below Austin...fire ants continue to be a real pain. The horrifying news is that the West Nile Virus was spotted in two locatioins in Houston this week...a carnage of dead birds and the spray trucks are out...we are greatful...I'm chasing the kids around with Cutter spray...

| angel | Day: 22

I spent last evening in Carlsbad, California watching The Steely Damned. Being it was a free event, there were lots of people who don't normally come around for a Dan Concert. It was a very cool and interesting evening. For a look at my review, click on the link above or copy this.

http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/angel4.html

jjeff: No pesticides at all. This is La La Land,
we don't kill stuff.... :-)

| <br>╡ - Erratum | Day: 22

Oops, the answer to (6) is A Trans-Jordan

| ╡ | Day: 22

Breaking Texas news:

(1) San Antonio selected as nation's "sweatiest" city

(2) Burglar breaks into home...find a bottle of whiskey, drinks it, and passes out...found by cops.

ANSWER SHEET
Clas' Know Your Middle-East Pop Quiz:

We do have lovely parting gifts for you....

(1) Arafat was born in ___________.
a. Palestine
b. Egypt
c. Iraq
d. Poland

Though rumors of Piscataway, New Jersey abound, the answer is B - Egypt

(2) The architect of the modern state of Israel is _________.
a. Ben-Gurion
b. Gentle Ben
c. Ben Affleck
d. the AFLAC duck

(3) The word "Palestine" comes from ___________.
a. the Greek meaning "only country without oil"
b. someone overheard a real estate say "Now THIS I call a palace!"
c. the design of the hors d'ouerves fork
d. the Roman bastardization of "Philistines," hated enemy of the Hebrews

(4) Which of the following has NEVER governed the land now occupied by the state of Israel?
a. Ottoman Turks
b. Romans
c. Hebrews
d. English
e. Bablyonians
f. Palestinians

(5) Lebanon is currently occupied by ______________.
a. Syria
b. Israel
c. Palestine
d. Poland
e. Stand-by fans of the World Cup tournament

E is tempting, but the answer is A

(6) Which country removed the Arab population of the West Bank in 1948?
a. Trans-Jordan
b. Israel
c. Iraq
d. Poland
e. Stand-by fans of the World Cup tournament from Senegal only

B - as in across the Jordan river...

BONUS: Tim Finn penned a minor commericial, but still significant, international hit called "Six Months in a Leaky Boat" in the early 80s for his group Split Enz which also featured Neil Finn and keyboardist Eddie Raynor.

(1) What was the geo-politcal fallout of this song?

Although the song was about early settlers of the American Colonies and their difficult sea voyage from England, some English at the time (1981?) thought the song was a stab at the Falkland Islands War. Some stations in England (Margaret Thatcher's favs?) would not play the tune...

(2) What is unique about the melody of this catchy song?

The melody can be played completely on the black keys of a piano (i.e., all sharps and flats). I'm sure that must have been a source of great amusement during the recording sessions...

| danfan | Day: 22

haha, i got the bear - and you dont

visit my website, read it, and reply

| duncan | Day: 22

Well done south Korea
Sorry USA.
the flags may be down here, but the george cross on the van bonnet stays....

been to an army show today

amazing the thoughts that run through your head when holding a ''real'' gun.

took some great pics though..

Beers no tamworth for me i'm off to sunny spain to dodge the bombs!!!

Met William Haigh today !!!!

I'm not going out anymore.
except to the tapasbar.co.uk

| Miz Ducky | Day: 22

YGK and Floridavid--sounds like such great fun!

David, that reminds me--I'm probably going to be visiting my dad in Daytona again sometime in the next several months, and when I do I'll be happy to jaunt over to your side of the state to hang out.

/the Mam'zelle
(swinging jetset world traveler)

| ╡ | Day: 22

Missed this one:
Steely Dan 2vN review:

http://www.jazzreview.com/cdreview.cfm?ID=834

Norah Jones:

http://www.jazztune.com/cdreview.cfm?ID=2962

YGK: ahhhhhh...the Gulf Coast Relax-a-thong...

Answers to the quiz and bonus this afternoon...amazing fortitude by Korea last night over REAL Madrid...errrr Spain...man, I'm tired now...

| YGK | Day: 22

Florida David Allowes me 3 words to describe my trip today.......
So this is what i got to say:

Peace.
EvrythingsOK.
DeeeeeeeeeeeepAndProfoundPerspective.

(There IS a Heaven, folks, trust me on this.......and they have damngood Bands [although I haven't seen Jimi yet[{RoyScam: Janis has been RE-incarnated}]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMOORE
News at 11 as it happens.......

(Aus, Man - I don't know where you be, but you gotta believe this - what EVER you are doing now with whomever you're doing it - I'm having the better time.........nyah, nyah!!!!) CALL ME BROTHER...........

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man...................*sighs*................

AND!!!!!!
AND!!!!!!
Black Cow.
And I think I've found my HOME AT LAST!!!!!!
Reelin.

Mr. Moore plays some wonderful DAN!!!!!!

ygk

| Floridavid | Day: 22

Dateline Florida:Macolm Hunter (YGK) is braving the beach bars and endless visual stimuli being foisted upon him. He's doing his best to "relax" but it's a tall order for a tightly wound New York City guy. Each passing hour he unwinds a bit more.
Just wanted to let everyone know I'm doing my best to show him this spot on the Planet. He's already thinking he needs to book a trip to Key West next November for the debauchery known as "Fantasy Fest".
Will our boy ever be the same? These are the questions.
More to come....
David

| Hide Yer Women! | Day: 22

http://www.policestate21.com/

| ╡ | Day: 21

Clas: I will expect a note from home...

You can redeem yourself by answering this BONUS mini-quiz:

Tim Finn penned a minor commericial, but still significant, international hit called "Six Months in a Leaky Boat" in the early 80s for his group Split Enz which also featured Neil Finn and keyboardist Eddie Raynor.

(1) What was the geo-politcal fallout of this song?

(2) What is unique about the melody of this catchy song?

| FaceTheFace | Day: 21

Duncan: you, Linda and the LittlestDanTot are very kind, thank you!!

Jim#(with or without the 'bo): just keep it comin, makes no difference, it's all good as far as we can tell...

Rude Waitress: wake the hell up girl and give us your thoughts on anything... and yes! I need more coffee - now, not three days from now! I'm getting you a Bunn for Christmas!!! Scarlet et al are a coming (cripes, they're here! cause it's today), make a show eh? (a little play on words there, hee!)

Wish someone were awake to chat with. I do know better than drink coffee after 6:00pm, but that never has meant I won't, it's just that I end up here with absolutely nothing to do, except perhaps post on this board, which means I have a lot of time to think of things I never have time to think of otherwise, and if I am still here when the caffeine wears off and the nerves kick in it won't be a pretty picture, sort of the thing this run-on sentence is becoming, know what I mean, do ya, huh, answer me when I'm talking to you,

| fangdangled | Day: 21

forgive bluz..he get's a little fangled on a friday night.

jeff beck

| Rough & Ready | Day: 21

billy your right..
thank you

bluz

| Bill | Day: 21

I listened to Stanley's album...
There were no blistering guitar solos, no distortion boxes, no
synthesizers, no sampling, no drum machines, and no offers for
America On Line.

Still, I loved his interpretation of "Walk On By".
Does Bluz know his stuff or does Bluz know his stuff?

| Stanley says Hi | Day: 21

He also says the album was "Rough n' Tumble", blue note records, 1966.

| King of The World | Day: 21

KING OF THE WORLD

HELLO ONE AND ALL

WAS IT YOU I USED TO KNOW

CAN'T YOU HEAR ME CALL

ON THIS OLD HAM RADIO

ALL I GOT TO SAY

I'M ALIVE TO SAY

I'M ALIVE AND FEELING FINE

IT YOU COME MY WAY

YOU CAN SHARE MY POISON WINE

CHORUS

NO MARIGOLDS IN THE PROMISED LAND

THERE'S A HOLE IN THE GROUND

WHERE THEY THEY USED TO GROW

ANY MAN LEFT ON THE RIO GRANDE

IS THE KING OF THE WORLD

AS FAR AS I KNOW

I DON'T WANT YOUR BREAD

I DON'T NEED YOUR HELPING HAND

I CAN'T BE NO SAVAGE

I CAN'T BE NO HIGHWAYMAN

SHOW ME WHERE YOU ARE

YOU AND I WILL SPEND THIS DAY

DRIVING IN MY CAR

THOUGH THE RUINS OF SANTA FE

CHORUS

I'M READING LAST YEARS PAPERS

ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHY

ASSASSINS CONS AND RAPERS

MIGHT AS WELL DIE

WHEN YOU COME AROUND

NO MORE PAIN AND NO REGRETS

WATCH THE SUN GO BROWN

SMOKING COBALT CIGARETTES

THERE'S NO NEED TO HIDE

TAKING THINGS THE EASY WAY

IF I STAY INSIDE

I MIGHT LIVE TIL SATURDAY

CHORUS

BECKER/FAGEN

"Feelin Good"
lp "Rough & Ready"
Stanley Turrentine
7/1966

bluz

| Steve McQueen | Day: 21

For cryin' out loud...

| Beerberian chilled out | Day: 21

GB; Apologies again for the handbags @ 20 paces earlier Not proud of myself But am proud of my country .....

JJeff;
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger; and RIP THEIR F****** HEADS OFF

is that what you had in mind ?

MOLL; A special Thank You ..... charmed as always

Duncan; Tamworth ... do I make up the spare bed ????

| jjeff | Day: 21

I was afraid this would happen. I've already heard the outcome and they're not televising the game till 7:30 our time. Sorry, England. It could've been a real party. I'm told they had good control, but bad luck. I'm not even going to watch, now.

Duncan: You're a regular schmoozer! Ian Anderson! Was it a "Hi" and "Bye" or did you discuss salmon fishing? Lucky, lucky bastard.

Beerberian: In your agitated state I was expecting more Old English. You do it so well. Fie, and fie agin!

Angel: Plums! I'm just glad the deer haven't munched on my new trees. I've been unashamedly walking from house to edge of cleared land with bottles of (male only) piss and FLINGING contents therein. How's that for graphic. It's the only thing that works... until it rains. :-( LOL Enjoy your plums. Btw what do you use for pesticide, since my previous foray into fruit growing was 20years ago and malathion was in vogue. There's a plum tree I planted behind my Dad's house( I call it the testicle tree because the plums look like large purple testicles) that still bears quite well. It just never gets sprayed and there's worms in most of the fruit.

Midnite Cruiser: Got any photos of ovenbirds( you know, the ones that go," TeacherTeacherTeacher") Heard one yesterday but have never seen one. Quite elusive.

Someone should tell that Ipanema girl about Bean-o. No wonder she looks at no-one. I'd deny if it was me too, if I had that bad a gas problem. Quit passing, girl and hold it in.

Working all weekend. Please feel free to tell me about the terrible weather outside. I may not leave the building. There's an antibiotic resistant bacteria outbreak on 1st fl. which means gown, gloves, and mask for every fucking patient. Fun, fun, fun.

| WJAZee | Day: 21

Jazz and Conversation from the foot of Mt Belzoni

| ╡ - net radio decision | Day: 21

The US Copyright Office has decided to use the same rate as radio/net simultasts - 70 cents per 1000 listeners/song (with only a few pennies ever making it back to the artist)...Live365 is not sure it can make it - we'll hope for the best. It almost seems like the same chimps who run RIAA, lackeys of the record cos. run the Red Cross who are still witholding $1B from 9/11 victims

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/06/21/internet.radio.ap/index.html

| ╡ | Day: 21

...all I know is that Phil Mickelson needs a bra...

| W1P | Day: 21

I'd be willing to wager a large amount of cash that the New England Patriots could beat the Germans in football.

| Dano | Day: 21

Howard , Scotch is a drink , A Scot is born in Scotland , And Rod Stewart is not Scottish he is a half cast Englishman?? Cheers Dano.
Unlucky En-ger-land.

| Bad S | Day: 21

With an ale as fine as Burtons on offer to us tonight - All will be forgotten tomorrow - So in the spirit of the GB -

Here's to Ale and Dan !!

Cheers - Your lot did pretty well really

| Howard | Day: 21

Oh well... we (England) didn't make it in the World Cup. Never mind - we played some damn good football, just not in the second half against Brazil!
I see the USA went out today too.

BTW, I think there are differences in the use of Scots/Scotch/Scottish depending on which side of the pond you're on. In the UK (as far as I'm aware), the people are generally referred to as Scots (or Scottish).

If you're talking about Whisky, I don't like to say "Scotch", but prefer "single malt"!!! Exceptions from well-known SD songs are acceptable of course.

For more info: http://www.siliconglen.com/scotfaq/12_8.html

Howard

| Beerberian in perspective | Day: 21

Bad S; I'm afraid I would have to your object to your claim

"As far as I am concerned it was never personal anyway" evidence for the prosecution post 2671 "you opinionated fat clown" ????? NOT PERSONAL HMMMMMMMM

| Beerberian back from the pub | Day: 21

MOLL; The voice of reason , as ever , You so rightly guessed that "the hissy" is Sports related - Football (World Cup) to be precise - Some people think that football is a matter of life & death ......But It's far more inmportant than that !!!!! as a Very Famous (I'll give you that one) SCOTCHman once said . I'll say sorry if he will , But 700 year old grudges ......I ask you .....Lifes too short to only take pleasure in the poorly based comparative failures of others.... Black Friday came today AND we don't even have a 14th Floor LOL

Bad S; Agree to differ ????? - we have another thing in common - Love of Dan ...........Hands across the border ....

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 21

Molly / GB

My apologies

Thats the end of it now - As far as I am concerned it was never personal anyway

Love and peace

| Molly | Day: 21

Hi everyone....Nothing much to report from Hooterville today....
BB and Bad Sneakers, You know that I adore both of you,(and I have no idea what you're having this hissy over. I suspect it's sports related since you both are so emotive about it...)But the insults you both are hurling at one another doesn't reflect upon either of you very well. I expect more from both of you then this!
Jim# you're from the South too? Do tell..... :)
lcpaul, tell me more about your "thang" for redheads....lol lol Sending you a wink and smile...
Fingers, my handsome prince of the keyboards! What sort of rock formations do you have over there? Why do I get the feeling you've done some climbing yourself?... :)
Jason, I'd never think of you as your health concern!!! That's not the way i'm put together. You seem like a very nice, intelligent man. I know you have great taste in music... lol lol. Many of your posts about the Dan have been very insightful, and interesting to read.
Bluz, Memphis is calling.....I checked out the web site you told me about. You're right, she's very good.( almost as good as Judy Henske!) Ya gotta listen to High Flying Bird again for me....
Dr Mu, don't even got me started on the way our culture has insidiously eroticized children. It is sickening. The Romans had nothing on us...You have my sympathies, it's very difficult to maintain a sense of innocence for a child these days.
Duncan, you actually were conversing with Ian Anderson? I'm so f**king jealous.....We'll have to talk about this more bud.
Hello to my GB sisters.... I'm missing you all.

off to my vegetable garden now....
Be Peaceful and Loving M.

| Mike Meyers | Day: 21

If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!

| The end | Day: 21

And by the way its SCOTSMEN

| Bad_Sneakers | Day: 21

At least we have something in common then

| Down to Earth with a Beerberian | Day: 21

I have been trying all my life to like Scotchmen, and am obliged to desist from the experiment in despair.Their learning is like bread in a besieged town: every man gets a little, but no man gets a full meal.

Fact - Scotland aren't exactly the best team in the world. They aren't even the best team in Scotland and would struggle to qualify for Europe from the SPL never mind from a UEFA Nations Cup section......we'll see ??

Now I am going down the Pub to get PISHED (as you would say) !!!

| A quite famous Scotsman | Day: 21

To the most Holy Father and Lord in Christ, the Lord John, by divine providence Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman and Universal Church, his humble and devout sons Duncan, Earl of Fife, Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, Lord of Man and of Annandale, Patrick Dunbar, Earl of March, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, William, Earl of Ross, Magnus, Earl of Caithness and Orkney, and William, Earl of Sutherland; Walter, Steward of Scotland, William Soules, Butler of Scotland, James, Lord of Douglas, Roger Mowbray, David, Lord of Brechin, David Graham, Ingram Umfraville, John Menteith, guardian of the earldom of Menteith, Alexander Fraser, Gilbert Hay, Constable of Scotland, Robert Keith, Marischal of Scotland, Henry St Clair, John Graham, David Lindsay, William Oliphant, Patrick Graham, John Fenton, William Abernethy, David Wemyss, William Mushet, Fergus of Ardrossan, Eustace Maxwell, William Ramsay, William Mowat, Alan Murray, Donald Campbell, John Cameron, Reginald Cheyne, Alexander Seton, Andrew Leslie, and Alexander Straiton, and the other barons and freeholders and the whole community of the realm of Scotland send all manner of filial reverence, with devout kisses of his blessed feet.

Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.

The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles -- by calling, though second or third in rank -- the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever.

The Most Holy Fathers your predecessors gave careful heed to these things and bestowed many favours and numerous privileges on this same kingdom and people, as being the special charge of the Blessed Peter's brother. Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English, Edward, the father of the one who reigns today, when our kingdom had no head and our people harboured no malice or treachery and were then unused to wars or invasions, came in the guise of a friend and ally to harass them as an enemy. The deeds of cruelty, massacre, violence, pillage, arson, imprisoning prelates, burning down monasteries, robbing and killing monks and nuns, and yet other outrages without number which he committed against our people, sparing neither age nor sex, religion nor rank, no one could describe nor fully imagine unless he had seen them with his own eyes.

But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert. He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully. Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King. To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand.

Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.

Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose Vice-Regent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God. May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace, who live in this poor little Scotland, beyond which there is no dwelling-place at all, and covet nothing but our own. We are sincerely willing to do anything for him, having regard to our condition, that we can, to win peace for ourselves.

This truly concerns you, Holy Father, since you see the savagery of the heathen raging against the Christians, as the sins of Christians have indeed deserved, and the frontiers of Christendom being pressed inward every day; and how much it will tarnish your Holiness's memory if (which God forbid) the Church suffers eclipse or scandal in any branch of it during your time, you must perceive. Then rouse the Christian princes who for false reasons pretend that they cannot go to help of the Holy Land because of wars they have on hand with their neighbours. The real reason that prevents them is that in making war on their smaller neighbours they find quicker profit and weaker resistance. But how cheerfully our Lord the King and we too would go there if the King of the English would leave us in peace, He from Whom nothing is hidden well knows; and we profess and declare it to you as the Vicar of Christ and to all Christendom.

But if your Holiness puts too much faith in the tales the English tell and will not give sincere belief to all this, nor refrain from favouring them to our prejudice, then the slaughter of bodies, the perdition of souls, and all the other misfortunes that will follow, inflicted by them on us and by us on them, will, we believe, be surely laid by the Most High to your charge.

To conclude, we are and shall ever be, as far as duty calls us, ready to do your will in all things, as obedient sons to you as His Vicar; and to Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit the maintenance of our cause, csating our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought.

May the Most High preserve you to his Holy Church in holiness and health and grant you length of days.

Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid.

| Graham Taylor | Day: 21

Did I not like that

DID I NOT LIKE THAT

| Freddie Laker | Day: 21

Fellow GBers - Looking for a holiday ???

What about http://www.brazil.com/??

There is a party on there now

Alternatively - www.desertedstreetsoflondon.com

Should be quiet today

| John Motson | Day: 21

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| Beerberian in perspective | Day: 21

Tartan Army; A little perspective req perhaps ....... I give you your last 5 results ........ Bertie gets my Vogts ......

1/An Eiffel for Vogts
Berti Vogts' first match as Scotland manager turned into an exhibition of French flair. France 5 Jocks 0

2/Howa 'bout that, then?
A double from Julius Agahowa gave Nigeria victory over Scotland at Pittodrie in Berti Vogts' second match in charge. Nigeria 2 Jocks 1

3/Kor meltdown
Scotland slumped to defeat for the third match in a row as South Korea completely outclassed them in Busan.The Scots team was left chasing shadows against the World Cup co-hosts. S Korea 4 Jocks 1

4/Hong-king decision
Scotland chose to blame the referee after slumping to Berti Vogts' fourth defeat in four matches as manager. South Africa 2 Jocks 0

and finally your true level found .......
5/Hong Kong phooie!
Scotland finally gave Berti Vogts something to smile about with a 4-0 win over a Hong Kong League XI. The opposition may have been a team of amateurs but it was a relief ........I bet it was

1314 ????? Do me a favour 700 years ago .....and still clinging on

Now let's see you put more than 3 past the Danes in August ....then come back and crow

| Famous Scotsmen | Day: 21

Famous Scotsmen link for uneducated deluded fools everywhere

http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Famous+Scots

| Benjamin Britten | Day: 21

You put your left leg in
Left leg out
In out in out and shake it all about
You do the spunky Seaman and you turn around
Thats what itÆs all about

Oh Spunky Spunky Seaman
Oh Spunky Spunky Seaman
Oh Spunky Spunky Seaman
He put the English

OUT OUT OUT !!

| jason | Day: 21

molly, dragon---- response asap. thanks very much. i go online as last-ditch attempt to divert myself from eye/neurological effects, which of course is exactly the kind of thing that causes it, and i know this, but knowing it doesn't change anything. so vicious cycle set up, downward spiral.

one thing that's important to me is not letting eye thing be seen as my identity. just thought i'd throw that in.

| Antonio Carlos Jobim | Day: 21

Tall and tan and young and lovely, The girl from Ipanema goes walking, And when she passes each one she passes goes "a-a-ah!"

When she walks she's like a samba that, Swings so cool and sways so gentle, That when she passes each one she passes goes "a-a-ah!"

Oh, but I watch her so sadly, How can I tell her I love her? Yes, I would give my heart gladly

But each day when she walks to the sea, She looks straight ahead not at me

Tall and tan and young and lovely, The girl from Ipanema goes walking, And when she passes

I smile, but she doesn't see, She just doesn't see, No she doesn't see

| Bad S | Day: 21

Bilebellyan

What ??

No reference to your previously professed obsession with anal sex ??

Take it like a man you opinionated fat clown - You are only going to make a bigger fool of yourself

Ps Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

| Ballsberian | Day: 21

Mcsneakers; How predictable ....... I would list ALL the famous Scots, BUT I could only remember Mel "Bravearse" Gibson & Liam Rob Rot Neeson Now be a good boy and F*** off (I still have a sugar mountain avail for your grapes old son)

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 21

Lord Nelson, Maggie Thatcher, Jimmy Hill, Bob Monkhouse, Oliver Cromwell, St George, John Motson, Bobby Moore, Winston Churchill, The Duke of Wellington, Lady Diana, Pickles the Dog, Isaac Newton, Eastenders, Francis Drake, Queen Victoria, Frank Skinner, Fish and chips, Charles Dickens, King George, Shakespeare, Clotted Cream, Wiliam Wordsworth, HMS Ark Royal, Jimmy Tarbuck, Rule Britannia, Boadecia, Coronation Street, Three lions on your shirt, 1966, Jubilee year, The pearly king, Trevor Brooking, Big Ron, Clive Tilsley

Your boys took a hell of a beating

Remember 1314

| Beerberian | Day: 21

GB; Now I'M REALLY DEPRESSED !!!!!!!!!! Brazil 2 England 1, and ST Al IS better looking than me ? Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Right Blues & Alcohol for me then Good Job I work in a Brewery *Turning as we speak* To Drink that is !!

Scotland; This is a recorded message "Last 8 in the World Cup, is better than, LAST 8 in the world - RANK that !!!"

USA; The Germans beckon - Do it for the Mayflower Crew !! USA USA USA

| Jimbo | Day: 20

Just to let you know, I am not in any way, shape or form, jim#.

There! Rumor denied.

OKAY? OKAY! :)

| Aja............looking for a new dime dancing gig | Day: 20

lp-good luck with the Maine gig. I love the Northern Exposure comparison-you can't pass up an opportunity like that!

St. Al-lololololol!

Jim#-glad to see you back! We need more Southern gentlemen 'round these parts. Hope you can make the next Jazzfest.

Boar-bristled dime swirl,

Aja

| StAlphonzo | Day: 20

Ok gang! It's officially official. Technicolor Motorhome will start shipping during the first week in July. Ordering instructions and more information is located here:

http://www.banyantreenet.com/tm2002/

So what do you say! Let's help Brett recoup some of his out-of-pocket expenses and pre-order your copy today!

Attn: Roy Scam, Howard and Steven Baker. I need your email addresses so I can link to you on the webpage. All email addresses are obfuscated so those pesky spam harvest bots won't grab your address and add to the spankyourmonkey.com mailing list... You can email me directly. My address is listed in the email link of this post.

StAl

| ╡ | Day: 20

I prefer the Hairy Llamas founded by Harry Kirschner, brother of Don

...and now it's Clas' Know Your Middle-East Pop Quiz:

(1) Arafat was born in ___________.
a. Palestine
b. Egypt
c. Iraq
d. Poland

(2) The architect of the modern state of Israel is _________.
a. Ben-Gurion
b. Gentle Ben
c. Ben Affleck
d. the AFLAC duck

(4) Which of the following has NEVER governed the land now occupied by the state of Israel?
a. Ottoman Turks
b. Romans
c. Hebrews
d. English
e. Bablyonians
f. Palestinians

(5) Lebanon is currently occupied by ______________.
a. Syria
b. Israel
c. Palestine
d. Poland
e. Stand-by fans of the World Cup tournament

(6) Which country removed the Arab population of the West Bank in 1948?
a. Trans-Jordan
b. Israel
c. Iraq
d. Poland
e. Stand-by fans of the World Cup tournament from Senegal only

| Eurolurker | Day: 20

Just listening to the most Steely Dan-like song I've ever heard from someone who isn't them: Checking In, Checking Out by The High LLamas (Irishman Sean O'Hagan) from the Gideon Gaye album (1995). I think there is also an oblique lyrical reference to SD in there.
Anyone come across it? The quality of the track is equally good, but it is untypical of the album, which is very Brian Wilsonish (lots of Pet Sounds-like instrumentals)but none the worse for that.

| Miz Ducky | Day: 20

Angel! Have fun at the Damned show! Tell lovebob and Peg that I said "howdy" and that I'm sending lots of positive vibrations!

/the duck
(nu, so I'm not feeling much like a Mam'zelle at the moment)

| angel | Day: 20

St. Al: LOL!

Jim #: I noticed that this morning and forgot to mention it to our good friend and pal LP. She has her head up in the Maine clouds these days .... Good to see you around these here parts.

For any who care about such things, I hope to see The Steely Damned tomorrow evening in beautiful Carlsbad, CA. I nice picnic dinner and Dan music. Can't get much better then that. No babysitter needed either. :-)

| Duncan | Day: 20

StAl you would say that

| StAl | Day: 20

Beerberian: I don't see it. I'm MUCH more handsome...

StAl

| StAl | Day: 20

Hey Webanonapussy: I forgot... Go ahead and keep posting from anonymizer. I need to know all IP blocks assigned to them so I can make sure and block them all. Thanks to you I've got two of them...

Also, the folks at anonymmizer.com are very attentive to complaints about their users abusing their service by flaming and spamming. It is not what anonymizer.com is designed for.

http://www.anonymizer.com/docs/legal/usage_policy.shtml.

Also, read this: "We have a zero-tolerance policy towards using the Anonymizer in an abusive manner. Please report any such behavior to abuse@anonymizer.com. At the request of site administrators we will disallow access to that site through the Anonymizer."

Stick that in your freedom of speech pipe and gag. Remember. I don't owe you shit.

StAl

| Duncan | Day: 20

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D,D&L
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| lp | Day: 20

holy mulder stills! i thought you were one and the same, jim# and jimbo - lol big time on me! i must check that site out - smirk

speaking of scully in maine, guess what - they called me back - they want me to come up again to re-consider taking that job - i need a new blue suit, since i lost 28 pounds, the one from last year falls off now - lol - definitely making the move up there if it works out, we are so ready this time to go, i'm really into it now - so, that'll really drive the locals nuts, don't you think? ala northern exposure, except it's scully instead of a doctor from nyc...cell phone, navy pumps and a suit walkin' the docks looking for trouble, yep, that's the ticket!

miss you in these parts jim#, how are you? getting your permits/inspections in order? you'll be happy to know i did not authroize an occupancy permit today - gas fireplace installation WITHOUT a permit, then i see the pipes behind the wall (yes, they had to make holes in the wall, they were not not happy), they had them leaning against the wood frame - well duh, there is a reason for people like me, no?

| Jim# | Day: 20

LP: As gently as I can, let me remind that Jimbo and Jim# are totally separate entities.

This from the KnowYourJims.com site.

I mean, would I knowingly plot to shovel the Babe's angst onto your fair town?

Well, I might, but that's between you and Jimbo to reason out. Too much of a political agenda for this guy. I'm still trying to work out the whole FBI thing in Maine, the Scully deal, remember?

| lp | Day: 20

unfortunately, the globe now dedicates two days instead of one previously to local news, so on deadline day for the globe, i timed it, i spend at least 1 and a half hours on the phone with free-lance reporters (that compete with each other for stories) on stuff going on in my town (i don't spend half that time a week with the local papers; one weekly paper, one daily paper - at least they attend the hearings/meetings) - so now i have to buy the damn thing twice a week to see how badly i was disparaged - we planners are scheming to boycott their calls and hold one weekly press conference in our respective communities - they do no leg work on their own, expect you to explain the law to them, want you to give them quotes other people said at meetings they don't take the time to attend (NOT! will not do that), educate them on planning 101.....argh!

sorry i'm bitched out about this, but it really fries me!!!

wait, where's my norah jones cd?

| ╡ | Day: 20

lp: That's exacly right...Andrews felt very slighted by the choice...I know that Audrey Hepburn was well respected, but I just never could get on the same wavelength with her screen "chemistry"...I caught a little of Breakfast at Tiffany's and it just seemed kinda flat from the little I saw - good Mancini stuff though...

"i only buy it when i'm in it" LOL..bet there used to be a run on Fridays, especially druing Lent...

Beerberian - great pics...it's true - no one has spotted you and Pat at the same place and time...before now... in virtual...

| FaceTheFace | Day: 20

T(ex)Rex: you are nothing but a predator, we smell you before we see you. We know better than to make any sudden moves in your presence, however, we can hurl javelins at your scaley hide. Leave the girl alone and stop clogging all of our arteries with your sugar-coated come-ons. You blew it big time, now hit the road Jack and don't come back no more.

***_______________________________________________***

A very exciting point of interest (from my perspective anyway), am going to see The Who (natch!) in concert with Robert Plant, anyone have input on a performance they've seen?

| Tex | Day: 20

Babydoll girl you are my little wild one
but you never have brought me sorrow
Don't let one mistake erase all that we've shared.
I loved you then
I love you still
Come back home
to me.

No one will ever love you the way I do

| Miz Ducky | Day: 20

Re: #2616 -- yes, Pat, I've got my ticket to the Nearly Dan gig--sorry I'll be missing you there. A full report will follow ...

/the Mam'zelle
keeping up with the fearless grrl reporter thang

| lp | Day: 20

mu - to add to your story: julie andrews was very upset at losing the "my fair lady" role to the screen so i guess it was a good f@^& you to that choice by taking the award for mary poppins over audrey

have faith in your fate, my aunt always said

and yes, mu, the boston globe is becoming as much of a rag as the boston herald - ever since they were bought out by the new york times, hasn't been the same

i only buy it when i'm in it - which reminds me...

cliques? here? - nah - hey, i'm still a newbie!

ge, are you still lurking? bar harbor is calling me back - will email you soon, phone interview this morning went well

| Beerberian SA bound | Day: 20

LcP; Excellent news ....... send it on home

| Beerberian | Day: 20

St Al; Sorry I assumed you were up with the pace .... I refer to an aledged likeness 'tween the two of us see http://www.lindunk.co.uk/gallery/gallery.cgi?Category=7

Beers & Pat Separated at birth...???? I'll say no more

| lcpaul | Day: 20

Beer - fling that e-mail address of yours onto the GB again, can't find it in the freakin archives. Then info will follow.

Hi everyone else. Buried under work at the moment which is why I've been so scarce.

Love and Peace

Paul

| StAl | Day: 20

Webanon: Identify yourself you spineless piece of shit. Otherwise every post from you will either be ignored or deleted. Furthermore I will file a harassment report with the folks at WebTV. You see, I still have all the records of your post I can make a very good case.

I do not have to explain myself to a loser like you. However, the difference between you and Clas is obvious if you had half a brain. You contribute nothing but bile and hatred. Clas, though controversial, often has pertinent info to share with all of us. Clas most certainly can be an ass but at least he's a MAN. Plus, unlike your sorry-ass, doesn't cower in the corner like some social moron.

Dude -- you need professional help and you know it.

Beerberian: Not sure what you're referring to? Did I miss a post? I've been sick the past few days and haven't read much of the guestbook.

StAl

| ╡ | Day: 20

Dragon: Andrew Gold is a guitarist/keyboardist who played with Linda Ronstadt and had a hit "Lonely Boy" in the 70s. His mother is Marni Nixon, a Broadway singer (my parents had a couple of her albums) who dubbed in Audrey Hepburn's singing in My Fair Lady. This is quite famous since the Broadway role was played for years by Julie Andrews. The irony is that Julie Andrews was awarded Best Actress at the Oscar's that year (for 1964) for her fole as Mary Poppins over Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady. Another twist: Marni Nixon later played a nun in the Andrews vehicle The Sound of Music. I think Marni Nixon also dubbed in Natalie Woods' vocals in West Side Story and for Deborah Kerr in The King and I...

Beerberian: noted!

Jimbo et al.: hot licks and rhetoric don't count much for nothin' ...and today those hot licks are with a pierced tongue or a Britney striptease, not a Steve Lukather solo..."Old soul" is perfect - as if everything past 1958 and IGY never existed....the Globe should go back to plagarizing George Carlin...

Is it just me or is virtually impossible to find clothes for 9 yrs and up that aren't trashy without spending a fortune. For example, boys shorts are down to the ankles and girls' are riding up the behind..it's like the Jerry Springer Pimp, Bitch, ahd 'Ho collection...sheesh...

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 20

Greetings from Hooterville !!! Cliques.... I have noticed that some people seem to be that way. I assumed that many were Musicians, and since I know f**k all about music....they couldn't be bothered with me. I tend to be opinionated, and not exactly a "wallflower". I assumed I that clashed with more then a few personalities... I just thought that like anywhere else, some people are drawn to together by mutual interests...
Dragon, thank you very much for that kind offer! I will keep it in mind. Compared to the things I've seen on your web site, my work seems rather plain :)
Fingers, i'm quite sure that you're an excellent musician and handsome as well. :)
Dr. Mu you're a sweetheart! You remind me so much of an old friend...
Again I hope that I didn't offend anyone. I'm sure that all of the people who've talked with me are very nice. I'm just very cautious about allowing people into my life. It isn't any reflection on none of you, but my own neurosis.
off again to my glass
Peace M.

| Beerberian | Day: 20

Hutch; Should we be talking ......we've not been introduced !!!! Hey what the heck ..I'm fine thanks (supposed to be working obviously) Perhaps my "stylee" is a little in your face! for some of the GBers BUT that's ME ! Heart on Sleeve for all to see .

You can chalk up another referral, I just checked out Howards site - Excellent distraction from work man . Gotta stay out of the brown shoes as much as poss lol AND rather spookily I had a request from a colleague this very morn for some SD tabs, so make that two referrals

Can't play , but I love it til death }:>

| Hutch | Day: 20

Beerberian - Oh yeah. It's been that way for quite some time now. A shame really. Hope you're doing well!

Howard - Thanks for responding. I can't tell you how many people I've directed to your site. Great work. And, by the way, the synopsis of SD and their albums that you have there is about as accurate as any I've seen.

Check it out folks:
http://www.jmdl.com/howard/music/musfaves.html#steely

| Berberian (the artist formerly known as Burton Brewer) | Day: 20

LP; We lost something in the translation there ... I meant "Q" as in question ie I was about to ask one !! All references to living GB postees was unintentional etc.............

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 20

berberian - Q has been around these parts for a long time, no introduction is necessary - and yes i will check out Kathryn Williams, thanks

jim# - imho that trade brought the curse - alas

| Beerberian | Day: 20

GB: Ever get the feeling we are polarised into cliques here ? I'd like to meet "the twain" if poss ....Q Do we need a formal intro to even acknowledge the existence of fellow postees ???

¦ & LP ; Once more with feeling "I read a recent article interviewing Ms Jones where she talked up UK singer song writer Kathryn Williams (although Norah called her Catherine which confused me at first) Anyways, on her rec. I went out and bought KW's CD "Little Black Numbers" Angelic vocal a little husky at times and whispering and floaty at others - A very special album indeed, very calming and very beautiful, with simple and touching lyrics. Its natural, honest and is a breath of fresh air in the crazy world of music.I have now ordered her first Album bizzarely titled "Dog Leap Stairs" Have any of you guys checked out this lady ???" .......Only I would say this ......

StAL; What's the matter man Did the mirror of truth scare ya ? Don't worry I'll not be rushing over the pond to claim the family silver LOL

| Jimbo | Day: 19

From what you've given us, the Boston Globe guys don't get out much, do they?

They just don't get it. Norah Jones isn't about rock. Well, in the Rolling Stone profile, she jokingly calls her music, "soft-cock rock."
This is about music. Plus, not every female performer has to write a song to prove how great a musician she is.

This coming from a couple of wimps who live in a city which traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees.

We'll take any soft-cock rock anyday over some Melissa Etheridge wanna-be.
Is that was this Erin was trying to sound like?

| Dragon | Day: 19

Watch the tape and it shall be explained. Clas, evidently Felicia is on vacation or sick the guy's name is Andrew Gold and is "filling in for Felicia Collins".

| Dragon | Day: 19

Clas -- not for the past three nights! There has been some white guy in her place. I wonder if she is sick or moved on?

Molly -- Clearly you have made up your mind. But if you change your mind and want to display a few pieces send me some email with the jpegs or gifs (not as attachments though -- someone here can tell you how to do that) and I'll put them up on my site for people to see. Or if you only want certain people to see I can put them up but then you would be able to give the address to whomever you wanted to see it and it couldn't be accessed accidently but only with the address that you'd selected. I understand your apprehension and respect your right to privacy -- but thought I'd give you this option anyway.

| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 19

Molly hangs head in shame in response to Jake!!!! I will purchase your CD, Dave's and Malcolm's.... I have meant to before now! Forgive me Sugarman?

| duncan | Day: 19

Just back had to pass this onà
Picture the scene, My local pub's mystery night out. (www.tapasbar.co.uk)
17 lads & lasses.
Mini bus.
40 mins later were at the blacksheep brewery Masham.
It's a piss up in a breweryà!!!
We go through the tour, watch the video, I buy a knitted hat.
Then we excuse ourselves to the local pub across the road ''the white bear'' owned by Mr Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)

There showing Eng v Brazil 1970 so the footy guys watch that ..
I'm chatting with ''Ian'' about the Internet.
Mention guestbook & US fans..
He asks me to say hello to you allà.!!!!
weird

| Q | Day: 19

I hate to intrude on the GB as I have not been a worthy contributor for a long while, but I am trying to solve a mystery.
Someone called my house and work about a Dan acetate that was available on ebay. I found it (it was mis-titled) and I am very thankful to the party that called.
The trouble is my wife didn't get the name and the individual didn't leave name with my secretary/assistant.

So...I'm really dying to know who kindly alerted me to this.
If it was someone who reads this venerable Dan communications network - thanks! - and pls email me so I can thank you!!!!!!

I left my real email.

Best to all here,

| see molly? | Day: 19

freaks abound..........

| Fingers...in no pies....ho hum | Day: 19

GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY!!!!!
No...honestly, believe me......I'd be the first to boast of any backstage trouser billiards going on! To achieve groupiedom you need to be either so phenomenally talented in your playing that a butt-ugly visage and shiny pate can be ignored or ideally be both an Adonis AND a shit hot player!
Sadly I score a reverberant "nil" in both categories. Only a poor creature suffering alcohol poisoning, amnesia and chronically disturbed vision could start to consider me suitable material for any knee-trembling amongst the 4 by 12's. Your ex'es were no doubt better blessed than I all round.
Thanks for the ego massage though.....I can always dream on.
I hope you can come hear us play too....one day my little cliffhanger!!!!

| Webanon | Day: 19

St.Al....
You couldn't block thisady Bayside's husband that told of her private affairs. Be consistent. You ass.

| Jake Fleder | Day: 19

Molly... I checked with the office last week and there was no order going to Kentucky so I am wondering if you did get the CD how you got it. In any case- the new price is $9.95 including free shipping.
By the way- I received a call from a TV producer in Arizona last Friday and the 'NEW FRONTIER' video won first place in a contest of 40 videos. The complete video is included on the CD. You just pop the CD in your computer's CD-Rom Drive and get to view it along with some other amazing multimedia content. It's an 'ENHANCED CD'.
Bye for now- Jake...
PS: You can order the CD at jakefleder.com or by calling 1-888-311-jake. I THINK it is also available at Amazon.com

| Webanon | Day: 19

St.Al....
You couldn't block this IP you lying piece of shit! What happened to freedom of speech. You block my IP so I can't post here anymore yet you let Clas post? You even kept up a post from Lady Bayside's husband that told of her private affairs. Be consistent. You ass.

| Webanon | Day: 19

| ╡ | Day: 19

Molly:

So sorry to hear - you're theramsuit is zipped up tight and your radar is synch-locked as it should be...

There have been occasional shenanigans even related this site wetside, but the vast majority of meetings spurred by the discussion have yet to report confirmable casualties...I'm still deathly afraid meeself ;-) agoranetsweateraphobia or something...

to paraphrase Jay Leno: "69% reported that they were very satisfied with their encounters of people they met on the internet...the other 31% were MISSING and could not comment at this time."

| Molly yet again..... | Day: 19

Fingers, I lived with 2 different musicians.... I can remember the women that were always throwing themselves at both of them. They'd actually be bold enough to follow my ex to the restroom to see if he'd "dance" with them. So i'm not buying your no groupie story in the least...lollol I do hope that i'll get a chance to hear you play some day....

Ps. I'm sorry if I made anyone uncomfortable with my previous posts...I guess I forgot that this wasn't the Natalie Merchant message board. :)

| Molly | Day: 19

Aja and LP thank you both for your concern and advice. The assault is old news. Since most folks in Ky and neighboring states have seen it on the news... I am ok with people knowing. They knew anyways....I had the usual reactions that you'd expect. Sometimes it's awkward, and at times still painful.I'm sure part of my hatred for newspeople was their hounding my family and me during that time. The reason why there are no web sites with my art,and no photographs of me out on the internet is because i'm very much aware of the bad people out in the world. Yes I could make more money if I had my own web site. I would certainly make more if I wasn't as paranoid about my security. My friend pleaded with me for well over 4 years before I finally agreed to show my Art in his galleries. I don't trust easily. The people who are close to me know all about the fears that I have, and why. They are very protective of me. Ed would not reveal my idenity to anyone....We were very careful to set up a way for me to have my privacy. So to all, while I appreciate the interest and support it's just not possible for me to display my art in a digital way.

| Jake Fleder | Day: 19

Bluz...
I just returned to L.A. last night. Thanks for your message here. Hope you're digging the CD. Great solo Bennie Maupin played on "COOLIN'" huh?
Pleae let me know what you think of the tracks and what your listeners say.
Thanks, Jake...

| lp, woops - one more thing | Day: 19

molly - i totally agree with aja - she said it better than i could - i was feeling the same uneasiness with your posts, especially now knowing some more background

the cyber world can be great connections - i've learned alot about steely dan here over the last few years (3? really? no, must be 2 - must check the archives sometime - lol) as well as about other bands/singers/songwriters/musicians that i would not have heard of otherwise - it's why i keep coming back

| lp | Day: 19

exceeding my posting limit as well as space, here are a couple of less than stellar reviews of last night's show sent to me from a friend who was also there - what i saw as humility, they saw as unrefined below - these things come beautifully with age, i have found:

Norah Jones: Come Away With Me

By Steve Morse, Globe Staff, 03/22/2002

The hype machine has been grinding overtime to push the career of Norah Jones, the 22-year-old daughter of Ravi Shankar. Jones has a soothing,
easy-listening voice that reaches across traditional pop (Hoagy CarmichaelÆs ôThe Nearness of Youö is done tenderly) and touches some classic country (sweet treatments of Hank WilliamsÆs ôCold Cold Heartö and J. D. LoudermilkÆs ôTurn Me Onö). But the vintage songs are the best tracks here, which is not a healthy sign for career longevity. Jones has written only two of the albumÆs songs, and theyÆre rather trite: ôNightingaleö is pretty but has the molasses lyrics ôCan I fly right behind you and you can take me away.ö And there are gooey tracks written by her guitarist, Jesse Harris (ôWhen the snows come rolling through/YouÆre rolling, too, with some new lover,ö from ôShoot the Moonö), and bassist Lee Alexander, who is also her boyfriend. He writes such lines as ôThe sun just slipped its note below my door/And I canÆt hide beneath my sheets.ö Huh? Unless Jones can hire better writers, she should make an entire album of pop and country standards next time.

Rising star could you a little more sparkle

By Ken Capobianco, Globe Correspondent, 06/19/2002

Few careers have skyrocketed as fast as that of Norah Jones. Last year she didnÆt appear on the pop-music radar and now sheÆs all the rage with a hit record and a trail of sold-out shows. Call it a byproduct of raw talent and the great American buzz. Undoubtedly, the 23-year-old Jones is
someone to watch, but one has to wonder whether the hype has surpassed the music. It certainly seemed that way judging from JonesÆs polite, efficient 90-minute set at the Somerville Theatre last night. The singer/pianist, dressed simply in a black T-shirt and jeans, showed that she is still a work in progress; she lacks some of the fire and imagination of great pop vocalists. The first half hour was especially stiff as Jones and her band led by Adam Levy on guitar and Lee Alexander on standup bass seemed to cruise through ôTurn Me Onö and Hank WilliamsÆs ôCold, Cold Heartö without sinking their teeth into the material. JonesÆs vocals were chilly and her piano playing somewhat tentative. Her cover of
ôHelp Me Make It Through the Nightö lacked the kind of desperate hunger the overly familiar song needs to be convincing these days. Soon enough, though, Jones began to loosen up and the nightÆs best moments came on songs
that donÆt even appear on her blockbuster debut CD, ôCome Away With Me.ö ôSomething Is Callingö was a melodic slice of pop, which the singer
executed with elegance, and on ôWhat Am I to You,ö which appears on a Japanese import, Jones finally found her own voice, imbuing the tune with color and panache. From there she and the band settled into a comfortable groove despite Jones flubbing piano lines and showing little stage chops. Frequently, she found herself flummoxed in trying to address the audience and realized that it was better to simply play and let the music do the talking. Luckily, she had an expert band supporting her and it covered up some of her flaws. Levy offered supple guitar support throughout while
Alexander, who penned a number of the nightÆs tunes, was a model of subtlety. Jones has the potential and the power-making machine behind her, but thereÆs plenty of room for her to grow. Maybe she can absorb some of the intensity of opener Erin McKeown, who wowed the audience with a set of original bluesy rock. Hot stuff from a very cool woman.

we bostonians have such a rod up our butts, now don't we?

erin was okay, but lacked range in her vocals i thought - a good house party band

maybe i don't get out much, but i still recommend you go if you can

| Aja | Day: 19

Mol-what a horrible story. Gotta warn ya, DO NOT be "more open" on this format, as you said you might. You have no idea who's lurking and reading anything you write, and there are more than a few people here that have had negative experiences with some of the more shadowy types-St. Al has this thing wired to track sources for a reason. There are plenty of great friendships to be made here and I've had nothing but positive experiences with the GB'ers I've met in the real world, but be careful what you say all the same.

Alright, I've got to check out Norah Jones! I've never heard her, but if there's anything I've learned on this GB, it's that this is the best place to keep up-to-date on great new music. Including YGK-can't wait for your new CD!

Aja

| 1001010010110 | Day: 19

Picked up the weeds in the broken concrete
Before the bulldozers marched in and killed the old street

See? Number systems have feelings too.

| StAlphonzo | Day: 19

Mu: You'll be happy to know the Norah Jones gig at the Moore Theater in Seattle sold out in less than 8 hours.

Speaking of the Moore Theater... Nearly Dan (US) is playing their big gig there this Friday night. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend as we're heading out on a camping trip Friday afternoon. Ducky, you going? If so a little color after the fact would be nice.

StAl

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 19

thanks mu for filling in the blanks on the musician's names, etc - lol - i am not as good as my friend aussie at writing in the dark - and those atm slips are really small!

i noted she is playing in japan in your venue list below, mu - one of the tunes she played last night she noted can be found only on the japanese version of her latest release - so if you find it before i do, i'd sure appreciate a copy of the same

her first release, it is noted, is out of print, so if you can get a copy of that, you really scored big - a couple of songs played last night from that release were excellent!

spent this morning at the registry of deeds (isn't there an attorney in this house? yes aus, you, but you don't do land) filing a restriction on some poor soul landowner but also to do a little research for the historical commission - it was ghostly reading deeds hand written on thin paper on ancient scroll books dating back to 1828, in a room literally in the bowels of the registry building, which is old enough in the newer sections - the older section of deed books is right next to probation court, which is a story itself (lol) - these archaic deed descriptions tell a story of marriage, offspring, death, and bequeath in the olde english tradition of language - a simple conveyance taken into an art form - in a time before the harshness and cruelty of land surveying, land is described by stone walls, stakes, trees and adjoining property owners' namesakes - it was transcending - especially after my smoky vocals listening last night

sigh, back to the office i go...

| ╡ | Day: 19

Updated Norah Jones concert list:

JUNE 19, 2002
Wednesday THEATER FOR THE LIVING ARTS PHILADELPHIA, PA NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 20, 2002
Thursday TOWER RECORDS
100 South Broad St. PHILADELPHIA, PA NORAH JONES BAND
free in-store appearance - 1:30 PM

JUNE 21, 2002
Friday 9:30 CLUB WASHINGTON D.C. NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 22, 2002
Saturday STARR HILL MUSIC CLUB CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 23, 2002
Sunday BONNAROO MUSIC FESTIVAL MANCHESTER, TN NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 24, 2002
Monday PAISLEY PARK STUDIOS
Prince's Celebration 2002: Xenophobia CHANHASSEN, MN NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 26, 2002
Wednesday ALABAMA THEATER
opening for the Indigo Girls BIRMINGHAM, AL NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 27, 2002
Thursday FRAZE PAVILION
opening for the Indigo Girls KETTERING, OH NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 28, 2002
Friday MURAT THEATER
opening for the Indigo Girls INDIANAPOLIS, IN NORAH JONES BAND

JUNE 29, 2002
Saturday PROMO WEST PAVILION
opening for the Indigo Girls COLUMBUS, OH NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 5 , 2002
Friday PALAIS ROYALE
TORONTO, CANADA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 6, 2002
Saturday CLUB SODA
MONTREAL JAZZ FESTIVAL
MONTREAL, CANADA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 7, 2002
Sunday CLUB SODA
MONTREAL JAZZ FESTIVAL MONTREAL, CANADA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 9, 2002
Tuesday CALVIN THEATER NORTHAMPTON, MA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 10, 2002
Wednesday FOXWOODS LEDYARD, CT NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 12, 2002
Friday TRUMP MARINA SHELL ATLANTIC CITY, NJ NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 13 , 2002
Saturday VERIZON WIRELESS AMPHITHEATER
opening for the Dave Matthews Band VIRGINIA BEACH, VA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 14, 2002
Sunday GRAND OPERA HOUSE WILMINGTON, DE NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 16, 2002
Tuesday TWEETER CENTER
opening for the Dave Matthews Band CAMDEN, NJ NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 17, 2002
Wednesday TWEETER CENTER
opening for the Dave Matthews Band CAMDEN, NJ NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 18, 2002
Thursday TWEETER CENTER
opening for the Dave Matthews Band CAMDEN, NJ NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 20, 2002
Saturday DARIEN LAKE PAC
opening for the Dave Matthews Band DARIEN LAKE, NY NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 21, 2002
Sunday HERSHEY PARK STADIUM
opening for the Dave Matthews Band HERSHEY, PA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 22, 2002
Monday OHIO THEATER CLEVELAND, OH NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 27, 2002
Saturday HOUSE OF BLUES LAS VEGAS, NV NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 28, 2002
Sunday RED RIVER MUSIC HALL TEMPE, AZ NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 29, 2002
Monday HUMPHREY'S SAN DIEGO, CA NORAH JONES BAND

JULY 31, 2002
Wednesday JOHN ANSON FORD THEATER HOLLYWOOD, CA NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 2, 2002
Friday COACH HOUSE SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CA NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 3, 2002
Saturday MOUNTAIN WINERY SARATOGA, CA NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 6, 2002
Tuesday BIMBO'S 365 CLUB SAN FRANCISCO, CA NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 8, 2002
Thursday ALADDIN THEATER PORTLAND, OR NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 9, 2002
Friday MOORE THEATER SEATTLE, WA NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 10, 2002
Saturday SONAR VANCOUVER, BC NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 17, 2002
Saturday PARAMOUNT THEATER DENVER, CO NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 18, 2002
Sunday DISTRICT THEATER ASPEN, CO NORAH JONES BAND
ph: 970.925.7175

AUGUST 20, 2002
Tuesday MAJESTIC THEATER DALLAS, TX NORAH JONES BAND

AUGUST 21, 2002
Wednesday PARAMOUNT THEATER AUSTIN, TX NORAH JONES BAND
713 Congress Ave map

AUGUST 24, 2002
Saturday HOUSE OF BLUES NEW ORLEANS, LA NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 7, 2002
Saturday INTERNATIONAL FORUM C-HALL TOKYO, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 9, 2002
Monday GEIJUTSU HALL OSAKA, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 10, 2002
Tuesday CROSSING HALL FUKUOKA, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 11, 2002
Wednesday CLUB QUATTRO HIROSHIMA, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 12, 2002
Thursday CLUB QUATTRO NAGOYA, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

SEPTEMBER 14, 2002
Saturday INTERNATIONAL FORUM C-HALL TOKYO, JAPAN NORAH JONES BAND

OCTOBER 3, 2002
Thursday SHEPHERDS BUSH EMPIRE LONDON, ENGLAND NORAH JONES BAND
venue website | tickets

| Fingers | Day: 19

THE DANNY STEEL ORCHESTRA:
The UK's premier 12-piece tribute to STEELY DAN are appearing at
THE OLD MILL
Westheath Road(near the railway station)
Northfield
Birmingham, UK

on SUNDAY JUNE 23rd at 8.30pm
ADMISSION FREE!!!
2 hours of the coolest music on the planet
Featuring the UK's greatest Steely Dan lead player...Glynn Davies
LIVE, LOCAL and FREE!

it's small, scruffy, low key, but hey it's home to us.....no sweat, good buddies... a chill-out gig after recent hassles.

BEERBERIAN
Yep Beers go ahead with the satelite link.....we've got some string and two tin cans we can muster! Forget Concorde...I'd walk it if there was an ice bridge!

STEVEEDAN
I'm your man....can I bring our Chris Watts along too...he's kinda better than me!!! All hands to the deck there's a Dan show to be done!
Then I woke up...shit!

MISS MOLLY
If you're a bald, fat, beer swilling Danfan with dodgy dance moves ok I'd have a job picking you out from the "groupies" of The DSO! (and most of the players too...me included). I imagine the reality is far more easy on the eye gal! Shit we don't get enough audience numbers to rally groupies too! You up for the job? Pay's crap but there's beer and chips a plenty plus rock goddess (sorry for the poor pun)status on offer.

| Jimbo | Day: 19

lp- Thank you for the review on Norah Jones. Now I know next time she comes to Pittsburgh, I will be the first in line to order a ticket to
her show. I know that she will open for Dave Matthews later this summer,
but I don't know if a return to Pittsburgh is in the cards for the tour.

You made an interesting point about showing respect for her band. Today's pop artists don't do that. They don't introduce the back up band
members, nor do they let them get a moment to pull off a riff, a guitar or drum solo. The singers even talk over the solos so that shows that these singers have no respect for the typical musician. If Norah Jones can do it, why not Toni Braxton or noted child raper R. Kelly. Tony Bennett always pays compliments to his piano player onstage. Walt introduced the musicians everytime he and Don tour.

Heck, I'm even sure Sir Paul (Happy 60th birthday, by the way.) introduces the members of his band when he goes out on tour.

Well, maybe it's too early to tell, but it's nice to know that there's a
talented and sexy performer/musician who can do a show without relying on the dramatics. And, I hear she makes a very good tuna sandwich "with love" as quoted in Rolling Stone.:)

Thanks again for the review. Cheers!

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 19

No BB.... the reason I told you all about the rape, is because even if you were to ask Ed, my friend if he had any of my work, He would more then likely be very noncommittal with you. The men went to prison.... One of them is still there. I'm pretty sure that a few of them would like to finish the job. I don't even have a phone in my name. Yes, I'm aware that i'm a bit crazy about this. But it the only way I can feel safe....I seem to attract more then my share of nut jobs. The assault was pretty much in the news statewide. Although the media didn't release my name, they'd show my parents leaving the courthouse... ect. The notoriety from the news coverage brought out a certain element of less then desirable individuals.
Again thank you for your interest.... perhaps someday I will be more open ....

| Beerberian | Day: 19

MOLL; I know an artist needs to suffer ......But you seem to have had your fair share girl !!!!! I assumed Jason was asking about getting a looksee at your work in digital form ?? Is that possible?? , I'm intrigued with the beautiful witches ...... Come let me clutch thee, I have thee not yet I see thee still etccc

| Beerberian | Day: 19

¦ & LP ; I read a recent article by Ms Jones where she talked up UK singer song writer Kathryn Williams (although Norah called her Catherine which confused me at first) Anyways, on her rec. I went out and bought KW's CD "Little Black Numbers" Angelic vocal a little husky at times and whispering and floaty at others - A very special album indeed, very calming and very beautiful, with simple and touching lyrics. Its natural, honest and is a breath of fresh air in the crazy world of music.I have now ordered her first Album bizzarely titled "Dog Leap Stairs" Have any of you guys checked out this lady ???

| Molly | Day: 19

Hi gang!!!
Jason, thank you for your interest in my work. My friend Ed sell most of my paintings for me. He has several galleries, but the main one is in Lexington Ky. I am almost paranoid about my privacy and even more so about my personal security. Fortunately for me, my friend knows how I feel and goes to great lengths to ensure that my privacy is maintained. I was raped when I was younger. They shattered my cheekbone, crushed my nose, broke my jaw...caused some brain damage,hearing loss in my left ear,and other injuries that i'd rather not mention. It left me with many more emotional scars. I don't trust people very easily.... I do show up maybe once a year at an Art show that Ed insists that we do. If you contact me I will give you the name of my friend's gallery.Have you ever got in touch with the Foundation for The Blind? Perhaps the Lyons club....? There has to be some technologies that will help you... Sorry to harp , but i'm rather persistent.
BB, darlin I'm not a whip sort of girl. I guess i'm just too vanilla for that sort of thing. I still say if the sex is good, one doesn't need accessories...lol lol lol
Fingers, that sounds great babe! But how would you know me from your other groupies?
Duncan, you ever find your way to that wall yet?
Bluz, me and you sweetness....Memphis is calling.
LP, woman I am sooo jealous. It sounds wonderful!
speaking of groupies.... Am I the only woman here that thinks Jake is a babe? Wow!!!! and nice as well..
well off to my glass yet again....
Be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.

| ╡ | Day: 19

C: Sheer laziness...it is well documented that D&W have been writing down songs and arrangements from Jay and the Americans through the Brill Building through Walter's written bass charts on Aja through the Fagen's horn charts on Kama and some on TvN...really, this is quite boring now...

lp: Close my eyes and I'll be there...Norah, Lee Alexander (bass), and Jesse Harris (guitar) all write excellent songs with the same general direction in mind.
Don't Know Why - Harris
Seven Years - Alexander
Feelin' the Same Way - Alexander
Come Away with Me - Jones
Shoot the Moon - Harris
Lonestar - Alexander
I've Got to See You Again - Harris
One Flight Down - Harris
Nightingale - Jones
The Long Day is Over - Harris/Jones

Lee Alexander does lean a little more country and Jesse Harris a little more jazz/blues...

Glad to hear they are continuing progression with their new ones ...wonderful to hear about a musician, not a flasher, getting some credit...I think deep down people appreciate the combinatioin of hard work, talent, and humility...

| angel | Day: 19

LP: Good color. "An old soul" does seem to apply to her.

Molly: I am fine. Thanks for asking.

W1P: Your story brings you down to mere mortal levels. I was very surprised, since you are an unforgettable type of person. Her loss.

Clas: Sing his ideas? Hmmmm....
How do the horns normally get charted?

| Clas | Day: 19

LP - interesting stuff - rumour says Errol Garner used the Manhattan book.

| Howard | Day: 19

jjeff - I don't know for sure about the Hyde park concert, never having gone to one, but I would be very surprised if there were any problems about bringing your own booze to the concert. I've been to plenty of other festivals, outdoor concerts etc and most people come with their own supplies, though there will usually be stands etc there selling food and drink.

Sitting down in the sun, sipping a cool one, munching something and listening to good music. It doesn't get a lot better than that! Hope you enjoy it...

Howard

| lp, again | Day: 19

hey nmn - did you get your regattabar schedule - patricia barber in september and dave brubeck next march on my hit parade - interested?

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 19

Good morning, and what a good morning it is...

listening to a live version of IGY and the bared down to its parts version of time out of mind on my real player this morning, as opposed to a fake one i suppose

okay, here goes:

the evening started in a nervous sort of way, not my usual liking - my 3 year old wasn't into her babysitter, my friend was late picking me up, then my husband got stuck on the red line getting there so we missed a few songs of the opening band, the name of which escapes me

funny moment: i'm pacing back and forth in front of the somerville theater, there are people literally begging for tickets and trying to make eye contact with me to try to get my ticket, the show obviously sold out - once the opening band started, i was likely visibly irritated and this guy came up to me and said: how much longer are you going to give this guy?

i laughed, deviously considering the option

anyway, once the opening band finished and we had settled into our easy chairs at the funkified in its restoration efforts of the somerville theater, out comes the band for norah - bass, lead guitar, drummer - then her

she really is a beautiful girl, boys, you show good taste if you have a crush on her - she's striking actually, her texas accent was smooth like her singing, almost velvet, her uneasy mannerisms of fooling with her hair but never getting it the right way she wanted, forgetting her set list & whether she was supposed to be on her grand or the electric piano, and laughing with the band made her seem very humble - she showed a high respect for her band and re-introduced them several times throughout her show, very classy

when she sat down on the piano, i noticed she was sitting on a boston phone book, another show of the meek taking over the world

but when she played, it was so effortless you thought she couldn't possibly be playing, the cliche of becoming one with your instrument applies

it appears the original work, as opposed to the covers, are a total band effort, which was cool to see - as somebody posted in here a while back, it is rare to see originals better than the covers so early in a person's career and that applied last night

the crowd was quiet, clapping periodically for a solo performance - but the standing ovation at the end elicited their pleasure in her performance and she again looked uneasy but pleased for the attention

her set list included the following:

turn me on
cold heart
help me make it through the night, noting it was a kris kristofferson (sp) tune that she had played with willie nelson in san francisco when she opened for him there
all over again
what am i to do - she used the organ for this one, excellent tune, personal favorite
if i were a painter - this song really shows her range abilities, and it's such a happy tune that she rightfully mellowed
lonestar
i've got to see you again
come away with me
toes in the water - not sure of the title's correctness, it was new and i really was drawn to the lyrics, a great image, toes in the water, isn't it?
don't know why

i stopped writing on my atm slip i was using to take notes on so i am missing about 4 songs on the set list - they were new original work and god, they were excellent - these people have a talent for writing i must say

for a person so young, her voice and interpretation resembles someone much older and wiser - my mother used to call people like her "old souls" - funny to hear a devout irish catholic from the depression hint on a belief of reincarnation - but it's an apt term for norah jones, she's definitely been here before and it was likely a great ride for her before as well as now

overall, it was a great concert, i can't think of anything i didn't like - if you have a chance to see her, you really should make the effort to go

okay, off to the shower to get ready for work - see you here later!

| Tell me Stevee... | Day: 19

...how's Vick & Shep doing these days?

| Lionel | Day: 19

Bong, Bong Bong!!!

| Ringo | Day: 19

Ring them bells!

| Beerberian | Day: 19

STEVEEDAN; By a strange quirk of fate the DSO are also playing 11th July in Tamworth Staffs UK (Tavern in the Town 9pm) ....now if we could just get Sir BoB Geldof interested ...in a two centre satellite link up, we could have DAN AID ....... for the benfit of starving trib bands obviously LOL ........ Only I would say this ...

FINGERS; Fancy a "cross the pond" hop (concorde of course) to do a double up set ?? I'll start the whip round now ( No MOLL that's not THAT sort of whip )

| Very Anonymous Poster | Day: 19

Jut so you all know, I'm also very multidimensional and very suspicious of fame.

| The Bandleader | Day: 19

After much shuffling and negotiations ... It's time for a new era of ...

S H A M E L E S S .. P L U G G I N G !!!

That's right kids, Southern California's newest Steely Dan tribute band, Pretzel Logic takes to the highway. We will be making our public debut in the sunny San Fernando Valley on the northern border of Los Angeles at ...

Paladino's (NW corner of Reseda Blvd. and Topham)
Thursday July 11, 2002 at 8 PM.

At the time of this writing, there are no other bands on the marques (sp?) with us that evening, so , we currently will be performing 3 full-length sets. (Hmmmm ... gotta go practice more tunes ... Fingers !!! Help !! Looks like we will be playing Aja at this first gig since it is a fairly long song ...)

More details as the ensuing days and weeks bring us closer to July 11th.

Steveedan (F, BL, MD, & KM for PL)

| C | Day: 19

ôAlthough Mounsey was crediting with arranging the horns on 'Babylon Sisters' and 'Time out of Mind', he admitted that the basic ideas for horn arrangements usually came from Fagen. According to Mounsey, Fagen's ideal horn section was three saxes and a trumpet, the method they used was for Fagen to sing his ideas to Mounsey, who would chart them, then consult with Fagen as he filled in the spaces.ö

Brian Sweet, ôReelin' in the Yearsö

Fagen SANG his ideas to Mounsey!?

Any comments Doctor?

| Jimbo | Day: 19

lp-let us know what the concert was like ans how seductive Norah sounded.

Good News-Norah Jones is on the current issue of Rolling Stone.
More good news-In the profile, she is very multi-dimensional and very suspicious of fame.

Bad News-Eminem, I mean Enema is on the cover and has more pages than Norah who only gets two.

Do what I did, buy the issue, tear out the cover and any pages with
Eminem on there. That way, you can enjoy the issue even more.

| C | Day: 18

Dragon - my Felicia! She's still doing the Schaffer routine I'm afraid.

| Dragon | Day: 18

Well I found jason's email address about 3 seconds after I had posted that last message and I emailed him. I suggested that he send a calling card and that when the card was low I'd let him know. But I realized that our hours are not compatible. I'm usually on the guestbook in the wee hours of the morning and that probably isn't a good time for jason to be getting a reading of the guestbook even on his answering machine. So maybe there is someone else out there that is willing to read jason the guestbook so that his eyes aren't bothering him so much?

Dragon

| Dragon | Day: 18

jason -- My heart goes out to you as someone so in touch with my senses and one who uses my vision so much I can only imagine what you are going through. I only have an astigmatism (sp?) and myopia and that is bothersome enough -- I can only try to empathize with your pain and misery of your condition. I hope that there is something that can be done for your condition. Please don't beat yourself up. If it will help you I would read the guestbook to you if you left an email address where I could reach you to get your phone number from if you will pay for the phone charges.

Clas -- Where is Felecia?

| Oh, | Day: 18

Jimbo - no, there's not much in the "updated" edition. A few cuts;

ôBecker and Fagen's official website had been pretty static troughout 1999 and had been easily outshone by some of the fan-based sites...ö

ô'What a Shame about Me' is a fine song about a classic underachiever and substance abuser encountering a much more successful former colleague and lover...ö

Sweet also says; ô'Negative Girl' was recorded live at the second takeö

| Clas @ Work | Day: 18

LP - thanks.

| it's jason | Day: 18

molly---- can we see your paintings anyplace? despite the eye thing, i've been once in a great while doing drawings, and for no good or understandable reason it turned out that i was doing better at it than in college. well, actually, it's got to be life experience in the intervening time. all this has led to the eye thing becoming considerably worse-- but then i'm doing that right at this moment. i'm stooopid.

| Fingers again | Day: 18

Hi Duncan,Linda,Beerberian,Morag,Steve,Lemmie,Jill
Thanks for the York piccies......Jeez why do I look such a fucking geek??? Ok the camera doesn't lie.I know! It's a paper bag job next time for me. I nearly saw my lunch again!
I've put some of them up on the site..more to follow.
cheers, Paul
www.dannysteelorchestra.co.uk

| Fingers | Day: 18

Good Golly MISS MOLLY
Belay away any time you're in the mood for a dead weight! I've been dangled on strings by many women but somehow your offer sounds a kinder type of play. Oh sweet fantasies! Can't make it to Half Dome this year I'm afraid, but pencil me in next year..........if the funds are forthcoming ya got yourself a plumb bob. Meanwhile any time you're skipping over the ocean.....drop in on a show....come meet the Brit Dankind .....traverse the stage...tie yourself to my mast!!!!
Love to ya....Capt Courageous (at 3,000 miles and a keyboard's distance away...it's easy).

| ╡ | Day: 18

lp: I expect a full note by note report. Bring me back a lock of her hair...

W1P: You should have told her you were Toby Keith...or at least a Toby Keith tribute band ;-)

| W1P | Day: 18

Angel, when I was in 7th grade we had an afternoon school dance with a live band. There was a girl over whom I was totally gaga and I wanted to dance with her but no one else was on the dance floor. So I summoned all the courage I could muster and I went in to pop the question. She was kind enough not to embarrass me and she danced with me. The band was playing Little Wily by The Sweet.

I was so in love with this girl that I found out her phone number and I wrote it on 20 little pieces of paper and opened every electrical socket in our house and placed the papers inside so that I wouldn't lose the number ("Danny don't lose that number"). Of course, nothing ever came of it.

At my 20 year high school reunion in 1997, I was seated at a table with this woman (during high school she had been elected homecoming queen, etc). I decided to bite the bullet and tell her the story about the pieces of paper. Her response? "That's so sweet, but I really don't remember you." ("Well the danger on rocks has surely passed")

| lp, again | Day: 18

hey people -

i'm off to the norah jones concert in the bustling metropolis of somerville

live music, great singer, great band - can't wait

will discuss music tomorrow, heavens!

can you dig that noise?

| lp | Day: 18

the apt term of the day that my husband uses at home when looking for his car keys, but it also applies here on the yellow:

"from here and now to hell and gone"

anyone else as lost as aus and i?

too funny

so david, post some pics from your "swallie" with malc - LOL - miss your posts, how is the gig fairy treating you?

and chere, i need some juju, making some big plans lately

angel! - plums, wow, you live in a great plant zone

finally dano - did they play celebration and we are family - ouch, it's the fingernails on the blackboard list thread again for wedding songs, oh no!

over and out, at least i can find my desk these days...(3 dots to clas)

| Aussie | Day: 18

Floridavid: O Lordy lordy. You sure have an eloquent flair when trying to tell me I'm such a schmuck for not having visited you yet down in sunny Florida.....steak barbies? Potent potables all around? Special thirty-five dollar rates by the beach? Leggy blonde single women? Ay ya yay brother....have mercy on my soul, mate! But worry not sir.....for I'm certain I've left something out of your "precautions" chequelist and shall be forthcoming post haste.

LOL!

Aus

| Duncan | Day: 18

All i did was go ta a gig & report it...
Many thanks for all the kind words.
Now where's the phone number for Darlington arts centre...

Don, Walter...always a pleasure

''lets get this party started''...................pink 2002

| Floridavid | Day: 18

Aus, Now I'm getting a little concerned.Should I expect behavioral problems with young Malcolm? I've arranged for a hotel room on the Beach for our boy YGK. At the Special David J. Rate of $35. Also, My good friend Patti, who owns the beach Condo I stay in on the weekends is going to Pick him up Thursday and take him out for dinner and drinks. As I'll be up in Venice Beach that evening. Patti has a thing for Jazz musicians and I took her to the New Orleans Fest Pics online....she seemed pleased. She's very Tall thin and single, just for the record.
I will scrape him up Friday afternoon when I get to the Beach....He'll stay at the Condo also Friday and on Saturday (after my Gig) he'll come up here to Rancho Moore by the Sea.Dale and I have a nice Sunday planned with Teryaki Beef on the Grill,Proper Libations....perhaps a pool or spa dip and a Cruise on Charlotte Harbor onboard the Utopia.Sunday Evening should be Ripe for a Jam in the Studio....and maybe Monday too, before his 5pm flight. Please let me know If I've forgotten something or If "Extra" precautions need to be Arranged. Thanks, David

| Molly | Day: 18

ANGEL baby please forgive me....I guess it's all those paint chemicals! Sorry, HI and How are you from me to you. :)
Aussie and LP, why are you both lost???

JAKE!!! please check in and let us know how you're doing.
Bluz, found "High Flying Bird" by Judy Henske and a few more CD's by her. Whoo hoo I'm a very happy woman. Is my spell working sugarbaby? :)
lcpaul, I don't sneak around my precious one.....
Mick, i'm still dreaming....Who knows?

| Dano | Day: 18

Duncan , Fabulous report mancub sounds like a great craic was had by you all,so jealous man!!Stuck in wedding reception hell with George Michael and Careless Whisper and Spandau Ballet to dance on the slow ones!!But off to Ascot Wed/Thursday to blow my wedge and have a sesh with the boys??

Dunc/Fingers/Beerberian, Let me know dates and times of next dooser??Is it Tamworth??Can you let me know and i will be there for a swallie!!

Got to go and read the form
Regards Dano.

| angel | Day: 18

Steveedan: The answer to your question is no. Little one was graduating last Friday, so I was dancing to "I Love Rock and Roll" that evening. :-)
I give the DJ high marks for making a bunch of 12 year old's actually get up and dance. What fun to watch the evening progress from them running around with each other, to dancing. He even got a few to slow dance.

jjef: Thought of you this past weekend, when I actually picked a few plums from the tree in my back yard. They were a bit underdone, but are getting close to ripe. Another week at the most.

| Fingers | Day: 18

BEERBERIAN
Yes thanks.....I just finished downloading the piccies.I'll be working them up in Photoshop tonight to add to the site..cheers buddy boy and thanks for the virtual shoulder.....just have to let off steam now and again!! Yep....His Royal Highness of Fretdom will be caressing the rosewood once more in sunny Tamworth!...a joy for you and us all too.

| Aussie | Day: 18

LuckLess Pedestrian: I'm as lost as an Easter Egg too babes. [referring to an earlier post from you]

xoxo
Ward

Floridavid: Don't give Malcolm too many potent potables when he makes it down to Floridoodle.....you're liable to be the recipient of an well executed and beautifully delivered impromptu concert in your living room. Ask Wormy, he'll tell ya.

Aus

| Mistress of Mayhem...aka Molly | Day: 18

Greetings from Hooterville! A special hello to my GB girlfriends. Lisa, Gina, LP, Aja, Facey, Miz Ducky, Arlean, Dragon and Chere! (I hope I haven't omitted anybody) HELLO :)
lcpaul, I haven't thrown you over babycakes. However I'm pretty damn tempted...lol lol You're not very attentive....You will have to share my affections :) You know how us Southern girls are....lol lol I thought Wild Bill and Robot were one and the same. Robot please forward those photos of my tatoos to Bill.... Never did recover those purloined panties :)
Fingers, when you gonna let me "belay" you?
Clas, Hi you big gorgeous teddy bear man! How's things with Meg?
Dr Mu, thank you for the advice. I am relieved to know that i'm not screwing up my knees and hurting myself. I must confess my diet sucks. I get busy with my art, and forget to eat. Yesterday I had a banana and a snickers candy bar for supper. I love southern foods like deep fried catfish....
off to my glass again
be peaceful and loving M.

| Beerberian | Day: 18

FINGERS; No pressure then ? Just Me & Dunc against the assembled masses of appathy OH SHIT !! Did you get the pics this time I sent 'em to the AOL ID
I have been working on a gang for the Tamworth gig is The "God of Guitar" up for that one - I don't want to sound overconfident but how many can the venue hold? (ever the optimist)

DUNC; You take point , I'll bring my, not inconsiderable bulk, to guard the rear LOL

| Jimbo | Day: 18

Clas- About the updated version of Reeling In The Years, when was it recently updated and does it mention anything about the Grammy wins and the honor they recieved from Berklee School of Music?

| Fingers | Day: 18

STEVEEDAN
No.....there was nothing wrong with the York gig..the fantastic friends and supporters were magnificent, heart warming and just plain great guys and gals.We all got a chance to meet the "names" in person..have a pint or ten, party on to the coolest music on the planet and meet some new buddies too (hi Lemmie and Jill). A great surprise visit by the South Shields (Ralph & Sue, Steely John and Irene)contingent was too emotional for words.....they're magic!
The only downer was the fact that the venue took our money, sat on it... did little if any promotion, took our drinks off us when we finished, threw us out as soon as the gear was packed away and sent us off into the night, tired, thirsty and thoroughly pissed off with such crass treatment.....a 150 mile drive ahead of us. Oh and yes I forgot to mention...we earned a magnificent total of ú30 ($45?) after they took their fees...e.g. room and PA hire, a (very kind and sympathetic) trainee sound engineer and a desk limited to 14 inputs when 18 were required!!! It cost us all to play.....while the venue took a nice, effortless profit from ourselves and the wallets of our good friends!
The end of a perfect day?
Had it not been for those wonderful people already mentioned by (and of course including Duncan & Linda)it might well have spelt the death knell of the band who had worked from 2.30pm Saturday till 4.00am Sunday, driven 300 miles and sweated with all the gear etc and paid advance fees and ú35 each in gas for the pleasure of it.
We LOVE this music and LOVE those faithful supporters BUT we HATE the endless struggle to keep this thing going against all odds!!! Any ideas.....offers of management.....sponsorship....Red Cross parcels....a PAYING gig...anywhere????
Be warned all ye who consider the road of the Danband in The UK!!!!!
Onwards and upwards though...we shall overcome...one day!
To everyone who was there..it was (and always is) a privilege and a thrill to play for you...We all did our best, rose to the occasion and Glynn in particular played a dazzling set the equal of any in the guitar world. Thank you all.

DUNCAN and BEERBERIAN
Thank you and all your friends...without people like you we'd be totally FUCKED!

| jjeff | Day: 18

Howard: Thanks for responding. My understanding is that you're allowed to drink alcoholic beveridges at the concert. Yes? Just no metal cutlery. Anyway, I suppose I'll find out when I get there.

I'm rooting for England, if only to see the total chaos if they advance, when I arrive.

| ╡ | Day: 18

Clas: See post 2548...roles change - what we need are CD burners and then distributors...hmmm Budweiser is really good at that part \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/

StevEDan: back to Pooh Corner for me...

| Beerberian | Day: 18

LcP; 50p ...... I'll buy a round for the whole GB \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ Cheers everybody Bottoms up !!\_/ \_/ <-- two for bro Al

| lcpaul | Day: 18

Oh BB, by the way, a \_/ will set you back all of about 50p.

| lcpaul | Day: 18

BB - haven't forgotten your request matey. Will get back to you with said info anon. Been a busy boy and yesterday was a holiday - Youth Day - the more PC term for what was known as Soweto Day.

Just as a matter of interest, in South Africa drugs are classified in seven different categories, with the most benign being Schedule 1 and the likes of heroin and morphine being schedule 7, which have to be kept under lock and key and signed out for by at least two people.

The attitude towards weed is pretty relaxed here. But with our serious crime problem, that's hardly surprising. South Africa is also used as a conduit for drug smuggling, especially between South America and Europe, so the incidence of drug abuse is on a steady incline. In fact the main headline in our morning daily today was "Herion tightens it grip on Cape Town."

Hey Arleane, I hear you. Been there.

Hey Molly, have you cast me off for St Al and BB? I suspect you of sneaking 'round with Bill! Or Robot! Who knew?

| Howard | Day: 18

Hutch - glad you've been having fun playing through FM. I know what you mean about that progression towards the end of the sax solo. There are certain sections of some songs, and this is a good example, where the progression of chord after chord sounds just so "right". That's not to say there aren't some surprises or unusual twists along the way, but the way the chords are balanced and fit together so neatly... I don't know, it's hard to express. Maybe we've listened to the changes so many times that they become etched on the brain and that's why they sound "right" - or maybe there is a little sprinkling of magic that makes them work the way they do?

jjeff - no worries about a football/work conflict on Friday. The England-Brazil game will be on the big screen at work! Fingers crossed, I think we might just be able to win it.

BTW - I won't be at the concert in the park. Not sure what you meant about liquor laws though - do you mean bringing stuff into the country, or just where you can drink in the UK?

Howard

| C | Day: 18

"Known as they are for their countless requests for rerun after rerun of studio performances, Fagen admitted to asking one engineer to execute him if he dared to ask for one more variation."

Reelin' in the Years (Brian Sweet)

| Dragon | Day: 18

The herbal supplements I spoke of do not contain ephedra. They are whole herbs that contain the vitamins and minerals that your body needs. By taking the whole herb instead of isolated vitamins your body better absorbs these vitamins and minerals. At least that is the way it was explained to me.

Clas -- so what kind of stuff does Sweet has to say about 2vN? Any quotes from Becker or Fagen?

| Beerberian | Day: 18

STEVEE D; "Beers" here ...... I'm the "two" in the blue check shirt... What does he mean "dancing" I was Reeling in the Beers . I can confirm that the gig was a PERFECT 10 !! Duncan's review tells it as it IS , me, I just enthuse & ramble ...... looking forward to July 11th Tamworth .... Now where the hell did I put that tub of Slimfast (does it work mixed up with beer d'ya think?)

| Steveedan | Day: 18

Drugs and largess. That leads to being overweight. Exercise is great, if I could just find my way into it again, for the 5th time.

I see that our U.K. contingent has really come into its own here. In the 15 months that I have been around these parts, this development has added a truly international flair to this site. Lately, two bands have received some fairly high visibility around here, namely, The Danny Steel Orch., and Katy Lied from the Chicago area (well, more correctly, on Hoops' bluebook site). We don't hear much lately from The (highly revered) Steely Damned, or that up state New York band Nearly Dan (is that the right name for the band near NYBill and Lady Bayside?)

Duncan - your "coverage" of the DSO show in York is great. Didn't they do anything wrong? (C'mon Fingers, spill the beans ... ha ha.) The photos too. Which picture is Beerbarian? Where was Dano? Off on a doozer?

Fingers Shotan - e-mail me your set list, and I will send you one of mine ... Do you perform any obscure (or less popular for the die-hard Steely Dan fans) tunes? Leadfingers wants to know.

I too think that Doctor Meux should have his own weekly corner. I must say that the good Doctor really has a lot of inciteful things to share with all of us "lay-people" (in fact, I'm only sitting up long enough to type this ... I'm too far from the fridge ... shit).

Angel - Did you see The Steely Fan Band at the Studio Cafe last Friday? If so, what did you think of them ... sans moi?

YGK - your reputation (for playing a good clean game) preceeds you. I am looking forward to your CD with great anticipation. I am confident that it is great.

In the meantime, the newest Steely Dan tribute band to enter the arena (you know, us, Pretzel Logic) continues to rehearse and expand the set list and look for bookings. I only hope that when we do get it together and get out in public consistently, that we have a guy like Duncan who can post reviews of us (I hope that we earn favorable reviews ...).

Reading about DSO and Katy Lied is making me impatient to get out in public again.

Stevee-Jonesin'-Dan

| What I mean is; | Day: 18

I got the news.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 17

¦ - good, I don't know shit about this internet liberation for artists everywhere, bit if it's actually happening, well, fine.

Fezo - I don't know about Elvis, but Brian Wilson did an excellent performance. He may look a little weird, but who doesn't?

---

I got the new "Reelin' in the Years", Brian Sweet (editor and publisher of Metel Leg, the UK-based Steely Dan fanzine).

The new edition covers the recordings of Two against Nature.

| Donnie Brasco | Day: 17

You gimme a fukin' fugazy? What da' fuk is a fugazy? You tryin' to
gimme a fukin' fugazy, huh? Dis better not be a fugazy my friend.

| ╡ | Day: 17

Molly: That sounds just fine combined with a healthy diet! Wish I could stay the same. The Kentucky hills should throw in almost an interval training component - excellent cardiovascular stress. Sounds like about 35-40 min/day with at least 2 days off per week (that's important for joints and other connective tissue). I wouldn't do much more in one bout and it's OK to do less if you don't feel like it. You can also still walk or weight lift 2-3 days/week (preferably alternate days with the long runs) if you have time with no worries. Endorphins are a strong exercise magnet...

Just make sure you replace your running shoes periodically (every 4 months or whenever you feel the elasticity and cushioning are not sufficient) and I would minimize running on concrete if possible (you may or may not have any in your part of Kentucky)...

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 17

Is anyone else confused in here?

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 17

BB, stop making those disparaging remarks about yourself. You are a gorgeous looking man. I see the spark of humor and kindness in your eyes, and you have a great smile.
Ms.Ducky, I am very much aware of Ms.Toby's work! It is very impressive. I prefer to be with my subjects for awhile. I try to capture their essence in my work. I'd prefer to take photos in various lights...ect. Perhaps I can get out your way. I truly do think you are quite lovely, and would love to present your beauty on canvas. I'm glad to hear that you decided to just live your life,and be happy. I get very sad when I see other women obsessing about their bodies and their "flaws". Imagine what we could all do if we weren't devoting ourselves to that bullshit....
Duncan, your photos were very nice.
Mu, I try to get in about 20-30 miles a week with the running, usually at least 4 miles a run. About 3 or 4 days a week. Am I hurting myself? Don't know if I can stop even if I am doing so? Everyone has their obsessions...
You remind me so much of an old friend. He too loved the Dan....and was very interesting.

| Beerberian | Day: 17

Dunc; Don't u hate it when the camera makes you look like a lardarse ... huh? .... just me then, LM very FAO }:> nice one mate - god now I'm really upset all I got of you is REAL nice pics *grin* where's that KAI GOO application thingy ! Did I dance ????? MUST have been a fine night then LOL. The "friends" were Lemmie & Jill .... did u get any of Mrs B ? mutual humiliation is the way to harmony (more bodhisattva ??)

Moll; HB get some more paint, if you want to paint me you now know you'll need a LARGE amount }:> Anonymity Shattered (good name for a group) Hey wasn't Duncan the King who got "offed" in the scottish play ? fancy a contract ? ....screw your courage to the sticking place .. failing that a few large beers always works for me

St AL; Bro ????????????? Family Hug in order ? <<<<>>>>>

| ╡ | Day: 17

YGK: Looking forward to your New One...a crack band, a few Blue Note live band takes in front of German microphones and a few Macs. a teak or two Pro-Tools and your outta here...if only another NY "band" could work that way - but that's another world...

Miz Ducky - it so hard to force these things...and we're all cafeteria rats surrounded by enough goodies to give Pinnochio the munchies....genes interacting with the modern environment and stresses. For me there's a lot of "because it's there" - I stayed about the same weight for almost 20 years and then I slowed down with work and the kids. We put the home iMAC on a desk next to the kitchen so the kids could use their programs. I'm OK during the day - there's not much ffod around and I do eat breakfast...but then at night I'll find myself typing a paper or thinking about what I will write or mostly how I should edit it...My arm can reach the refrigerator door and I'm 4 steps from the pantry...before I know it there's a cookie or a couple of chips or a bagel or a slice of leftover pizza in my mouth...

Man, we have got to get another house with an office where I can move the computer away from the fridge...the extra weight is a an immediate bother because of the extreme heat here 6 months out of the year...

There is an endocrinologist Al Meier at LSU who believes that humans like many animals (birds, rodents, bear) have (not only daily) but annual rhythms of weight gain and loss governed by a timed dance of hormones, including insulin, that interact with length of daylinght and timing. This occurs through a group of neurons called the suprachiasmatic nucleus, which communicates light information from the retina to the pineal gland where melatonin is made. Anyway, he had this notion that not only sedentary lifestyle, but working inside all day resulted in missing the daylight cues putting humans, especially females, into a fall/winter mode that's programmed to put on weight kinfdof like how birds prepare for migration or bears/racoons for hibernation...interesting theory - they were trying something called bromocryptine - I'll have to look to see how they've done...

| jjeff | Day: 17

Duncan: What's an orange WOW? I know, I'm stupid. What the hell are you feedin' the boy? He's huge!!!

| jjeff | Day: 17

Hello to all the regulars and a few newbies(beer-bearian, you can boogie with the best of 'em).

I went back a ways to see what the topics of discussion were:Fat! I swallowed a football somewhere around thirty and haven't been able to fully pass it. Our provincial gov't was toying with the idea of a "fat tax" hitting fast food joints and other high calorie intakes. I don't think they were really serious. Where would you draw the line?
Pot!Decriminalize definitely.Legalize? As much as like to say "yeah, man" I can't.

Any of you Brits planning on going to "Concert in the Park" in Hyde Park at the end of the month? It'll be my first day in England if they let me through Heathrow. I'm told by some local Brits that the liquor laws there are a great deal slacker than Canda and I should take a big bottle with me.
Is this true?

I still don't see any dates for the Dannysteelorchestra for that week so that's out. David Byrne at The Empire July 3rd is a possibility.

England vs. Brazil on Friday. Yikes! Better start making your excuses for time-off now, boys.

Steviedan, is that you stnding next to Bootsy in the latest Nike flick?

| YGK | Day: 17

Just a quick update on Core's recording progressàà

We recorded 4 new songs this past weekend:
Short Time Affair
Coffee
Model Prisoner
and Big Boots

For a Total of $200 in studio time/materialsàà

We're gonna get out of this process for under $1,000àà.YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHA!

So now the album is shaping up to look like thisàà.

"Trying to Sort it All Out":
Morning Song
Coffee
Big Boots
Model Prisoner
Open Doors
Businessman
Trying to Sort it all out
Eye to Eye
O When the Moon
Shaking
Short Time Affair
Questions
Trouble with you
Big Boots (reprise)

HEY QQQQQ - I'm looking at youààwhy not write me?
I got some questions for youàààpleaseà..

This is gonna happen BIG TIME folks!
I'm serious -now we need the financingààààà

Cheers, and YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HA!
2 Days 'till F-L-A

David - I'm more than psyched!!!!!!!

ygk

| Duncan | Day: 17

A report of the DSO in York follows...
Scroll on if you like.

I'm not sure i'll ever get over this weekend, for various reasons.
The exact details in time i may forget, so i'm posting them here so in the future i can say ''I WAS THERE''

BLUEPRINTàfor the perfect weekend.
Stay off work Saturday morning, Have a lie in or get up very early & rush rashy boy to the hospital ?
You decide.
Travel slowly to the fine city of York listening to one of your favourite Singer/Songwriters live on Radio 2 (Dean Friedman) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/jonathan_ross/150602.shtml .

Arrive in York around 11.30am @ wonderful hotel http://www.churchillhotel.com/
Dump bags in room & toddle down town to find a pub to watch the game inà

3 hours later, 3goals later & a couple past 3 beers late head out into the fine English sunshine for a spot of shopping & tea, Arriving back at the hotel around 5.30 for an afternoon snooze.

Order Morning papers & breakfast in bed, Shower & Change & we're offà

Wonder slowly down to the venue, arriving around 7.30, Just in time to hear the band DSO performing the last soundcheckà..Seems they also watched the match that afternoon before setting off !!!

Linda & I take our place at the bar, IT'S HOT. We start with a couple of fruit juices, we have a couple more. It's earlyà.!!!!
We spend an hour catching up with the Ladies & Gents in the band, I explain that Linda's never seen them before & ohhh how we all laughed.
I tell them all about dragging her to Wembley & her ''gassing'' all the way through to her friend because she's never heard any of Steely Dan's songs.
We spend the hour catching up with gossip, Making up gossip, meeting wives & girlfriends.

Beers arrives & we all say hello à..First thought Christ it's StAl.
The band arrange to take the stage at 8.45 for the first section.
The audience sort of turns upà
The band warm us up with a couple of verses of the England songà
The beers are flowing at this time, Linda's on Archers Cranberry, only after 5-6 did she realise it's alcoholic !!!!

The crew from South Shields arrive, it's a party now.

I must have been to over 250 shows in my life, various bands but I swear I've never heard anything like this before, the sound coming from every person & every instrument is absolutely spot on.
I can find no fault with the songs performed In fact they where better than the recordings.
A strange thought came over me during the first half of the show, Why go & see the boys againà

The DSO play all the songs I ever wanted to here, Closer, Louder, Better.

All the way through Linda's shouting to me I love this one or this is my favouriteà

Chris B. gives us a shout outà we blush

Chris assures me that he is playing during a piss break at half time ( he's behind a pillar )
The Ladies singing do the most fantastic job on backing vocals Special shouts to Debbie who took the lead on Brooklyn.
Despite the overactive smoke machine (it was funny though)
Glynn's Fault he was ON FIRE.
(Glynn's kids à..''Daddy don't play like that in York no more'' )

I was not my intention to have so many drinksà
But because of the lack of audience I made a decision to boost the bar takings on behalf of the band.
So that they ARE asked back.
I remember now why I don't dance, Having made my way onto the dance floor during some of the slower numbers I found myself trying to dance whilst Glynn tore into his guitar during Kid Charlemagne à I've seen all the great guitarists but that solo stopped me dead, I've never seen anything like it before, a spontaneous round of applause swept through the room during the song!!!!
I stood there with my mouth openàI wasn't the only one, jaws where hitting floors all over the place, even on stage. Neil you where so fucking right !!!!!
Unbelievableààà

The show finished the whole place was hià( on life Clas !!!! )

We spent a hour talking Beers & Co, Steely Dave, Sue & crew. Everyone was smiling there was only 40 odd in the audience but we made friends with them all it was a fantastic night.

The bar closed but I wanted to stay up for everà we said our goodbyes
Linda & I made our way home to the hotel giggling like children only to find that the hotel; bar was still open. Cigars where smoked, Brandy was drunk & a toast was made to the most dedicated & hardest working Tribute band in the UK.

The Danny Steel Orchestra.

Assorted photos atàà.http://www.lindunk.co.uk/gallery/gallery.cgi?Category=7

(molly you might want to check out ''separated at birth'' )
Dano: you missed a Dooser x10

| Anon Y. Mous | Day: 17

Among the most traversed sites in pornland are the so-called "BBW" and "Mature" pages. There is a reason for that.

| Miz Ducky | Day: 17

Molly--heheh, you can paint me anytime, hon. Though we might have to do a virtual posing-for-portrait thing (i.e. photographs by email or snail-mail)--if I'm remembering correctly, you're on the East Coast and it doesn't look like I'll be getting out there anytime soon. Given your interest in portraying large women, I bet you're familiar with the photo-portrait book "Women En Large" by photographer Laurie Toby Edison and author/activist Debbie Notkin, right? Some beautiful work in there, and one of my favorite books from the fat liberation/size acceptance movement.

/the Mam'zelle

| Molly...... | Day: 17

Molly bows to MU, then blows him a kiss.
BB, the witches are beautiful, fierce and cold. My reasoning was, had they been ugly crones, McBeth would have more than likely killed them. Also ugly witches have been done to death, and seemed redundant. I used no models ,they are my own conjuctures. As is McBeth. Well he does resemble my oldest brother Dean a little.....When are you going to model for me?
off to my fuse some glass.

| Aja........quick check in | Day: 17

Miz D-you have the right attitude. Eat for health and let your body be where it NATURALLY wants to be. Nothing is worth turning your life inside out to be someone else's standard of fitness.

Be very wary of herbal "supplements". Most have ephedra, which can be very dangerous if you have certain conditions (which you may not be aware of). Further, there's no need to spend ridiculous amounts of money on something for weight loss-all the good, healthy food you need is at your local supermarket. Spending money on supplements is the antithesis of what you should be doing anyway-the key is good health, with weight loss as a result. Taking supplements, even if they're masked as "herbal" "natural", etc. (which doesn't mean safe!) is just the same as taking speed or going on a trendy diet; it puts weight loss first and sacrifices your health to get there. Some people aren't meant to be thin, and you can destroy your health (and sanity) trying to get there if you're one of them. Eating the right foods, exercising, and adopting a healthy lifestyle is all you need.

Aja

| ╡ | Day: 17

to be clear, a caloric expenditure of 1800-2000 calories per day includes sleeping, resting, eating, and a pretty minimal amount of moving around. It is also dependent on a person's size and could be higher for a person with a large lean mass or less for a person with a small frame and mass...

| Jimbo | Day: 17

Last night on VH1, Ultimate Albums profiled Eminem, I mean Enema's Marshall Mather's LP. Ick, I thought VH1 was better than that. They were on a roll with the Buckingham Palace concert but now I guess the roll had to stop with that junk.

VH1 owes us one. How about Aja, the LP, I mean? ;)

Anyway, I hope anyone who watched the US Open enjoyed it. I know I did.
Watched little Sergio whined and died out on the course. Phil got a nice birthday serenade, though he had to settle for a half million dollar check as a present. Oh yeah, and some guy named Woods won. I think he's
gonna do well as a golfer. ;)

Last item, Did anyone watch Today? Matt Lauer's hair looks like a golf
ball with hair sticking out. Does the word Rogaine mean anything?

See Ya!

| ╡ - exercise for the people, not the elite... | Day: 17

Molly: For what its worth this is my ONLY area of training and expertise (my engineering skills, which are more and more limited, are applied to instrumentation use and troubleshooting now only), There are always exceptions to every rule. A key fact is that you picked out unique athletes, and not sedentary people. Having said that *extreme* exercise or caloric deprivation (that was the point of the Hollozsy factoid) are not recommended. No one, especially in public office, is to be commended for running a marathon - it's not a particularly healthy event and a poor example of the benefits of exercise...

(1) it damages the immune system (reduces T-cells and NK cells that battle infection)
(2) it damages skeletal muscle
(3) it may even damage the heart

Remember, the first person to "run a Marathon" Phillipedes, who ran from Marathon to Athens to report on the victory over the Spartans, DIED upon completion...

I had a student who was an ultramarathon runner who was sick for weeks after running one of the damn things...plus training time takes away from one's job or life...

Unfortunately, very few people who run weight loss centers have any training in science (registered dietitians, PhDs in Nutrition, PhDs in Physiology, etc), or many of the few that do are just nuts mostly.

There are 3500 Calories in a lb of fat. To lose a lb of fat/week requires a caloric deficit of 500 calories/day for 7 days. This can be accomlished throught weight lifting, walking, some jogging, swimming - mix it up. Most people require 1800-2000 Cal/day to break even unless exercising regularly. Reducing caloric intake say <1300 Cal/day, especially without exercise, will cause the body and its 40,000 year programmed genes to think FAMINE resulting in 2 things:

(1) preferential early use of glycogen as a fuel, especially with extreme calroic restriction. Gycogen are strings of glucose (sugar) molecules hooked up together and is the way we store (in muscle and liver) carbohydrates as a backup fuel. A lot of water is bound, so when glycogen is cleaved into glucos molecules, water is released. Thus rapid weight loss during the first week with extreme diets is WATER released as a result of glycogen breakdown. Pee, pee, pee those pounds away...Hey St. Al, feel the burn, eh...

(2) The amount of glycogen in the body is limited (too damn heavy), so protein is the next target with extreme diets. This process is called gluconeogenesis - and that means muscle and bones are the fuel and converted to glucose by the liver. Thus a series of yo-yo diets, especially with no exercise, reduces lean body mass and eventually increases fat, even if a person's weight is the same after 5 years.

THUS I CANNOT RECOMMEND LOSING MORE THAN A LB A WEEK. This truth means LONG TERM BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION and no HEALTHY solution that is INSTANT. This is a difficult thing for the public to uhhhh swallow...hence the short-term claims by various fly by night and other weight loss programmes staffed susually by morons with ridiculous promises...

Ironically, caloric restriction helps the immune system in rats but not in humans. Severe caloric restriction with or without exercise in the FEMAL half of the population may lead to amenorrhea (cessation of the menstrual cycle) which causes bone loss and increases heart disease risk. The key is to increase daily caloric expenditure over 2000 calories. 2500 would be a good target. If you feel really tired or sorre, back off for a few days. American athletes are poor models because many overtrain, have poor nutritional habits, and a good portion are just plain nuts. There are some overweight people who take in .¦ 2500 Cal per day without exercising, but not as many as people think...
:

| Beerberian | Day: 17

MOLL; Bloodlust eh ? Is this a paintbrush I see before me ? So who modelled for the witches then ? Meet you in Burnham Woods ......

BRAZIL; How much did NIKE drop the ref for that performance ? Bring 'em on !

| Molly | Day: 17

Jason, sorry that they couldn't help you babe.Keeping you in my prayers.

| Molly | Day: 17

Greetings GB friends! The Mistress has been working on several new projects. I put the finishing touches on one painting just this morning. It was inspired by our Scottish friend Bad Sneakers, and a conversation I had with Jack. The painting is of McBeth with his men riding across the moors, covered in blood from his battles.Filled with bloodlust and meeting the 3 witches..I also been working with glass quite a bit.
BB, how bad do you want to know? lol lol *wink*
Wild Bill, you know I think you're the best, but you're wrong about the weight /stomach size thing. If that were true most folks that lost weight wouldn't regain it, and usually more besides. It has to be more complicated then just eating too much.
Mu, my brilliant sugarman! I have to disagree with you as well. I know a few really large people who are very active. One man I know resembles a sumo wrestler. He can run my ass in the ground.Do one-handed pushups and carry on a conversation while doing so.Another man I'm aquainted with is a martial arts instructor.He's more active by accident then most other folks. Yet he too is considered obese. Are they just anomalies?
I do know that there is a considerable amount of money spent on weight loss treatments. It's a billion dollar industry. Most are not effective.I personaaly think they are set up to make one fail. That way the client keeps returning for this weight loss program, and thus giving the company more money. It's a scam. What truly bothers me, is that there are people literally starving themselves in order to look "acceptable". Just as animals come in all different shapes and sizes, so do people. To say one is more desirable then another is rediculous. To feel superior to another because you are not as large is just ludicrous. Our creator made us all beautiful.
Bluz, let's go to Memphis soon?
St. Al, you are still a babe.
Ducky can I paint you? :)
peace my friends M.

| ╡ | Day: 17

...Not only that, but under Satcher's watch, there was the greatest increase in childhood obesity and the greatest decline in participation in exercise in the nation's history...

Case in point, that the people can't wait around for ineffective government to do what is right. WE must take initiative. Start in your home, your neighbornood, become an advocate, write your congress rep. and Senator. Here's a Website:

http://www.endseds.org/

Clas: That's been the nature of the music business. Many classical musicans died penniless with the Emporer's/Kings enjoying the fruit

Did you know Stephen Foster (famous 19th Century compose of Oh Susanna, Suwanne River, etc.) made millions for his publisher while he made nothing? The internet is a way to break that cycle...so we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that the anti net radio and anti music sharing campaign is about the artists, and not about the record companies.

| ╡ | Day: 17

Ole: I'm sorry, but the NIH study sections speak for themselves...

| Hutch | Day: 17

Ole - Thanks for responding to my post.

Hutch

| fezo | Day: 17

seeing Brian Wilson's performance last week made me think that Elvis had the right idea.

seeing the new Stars War movie on Saturday made me wonder why Natalie Portman had taken acting lessons from Andie McDowell

seeing Tiger Woods and his girlfriend after the Open yesterday made me realize once again that money is indeed the most powerful aphrodisiac

| Beerberian | Day: 17

OLEANDER; A Bodhisattva is wholly motivated by pure compassion and LOVE.. I, myself are driven by a few more base elements or is that bass elements.I'm still buzzing after Saturday night - DSO on top of their form. Larry who ? Met some new friends, drank some more beer (dirty job but someone has to do it !!) Just looking @ the pics from the digicam - good job I have other talents !! LOL

MOLL; BIG Hellooooooooo what ya painting today girl ?? Has the muse taken you ?

JASON; You MUST make a pilgrimage across the pond ....see you in Tamworth 11th July ???? ahh go on go on go on !!

USA; Q finals ?????? dreams and beyond wildest huh ???

Right I'm off to the Pub to Watch the Belgians ?? serve up Carlos Sanatanas favourite appetizer .....yeah SAMBA PATE (*wince*)

| C | Day: 17

Jimbo - I forgot to mention Joe Cocker! He did "With A Little Help" as if he was back at Woodstock. Great shit.

| Jimbo | Day: 17

Clas- You'll be happy to know that a Cd for the Buckingham Palace concert will be released next month. Hopefully, they'll have Clapton doing 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps." and of course Joe Cocker.

I just wish they invited Sade. But that's me.

Cheers.

By the way on one of the last posts, I when I brought up the stomach stapling issue, I never said I'd reccommend it 100 percent. There are, I admit drawbacks. But for anyone who was obese, like say 300+ pounds and
find it hard to walk or move fast, it is a possible, but not necessary alternative to dieting and exercise. I still have some problems with
it as it may encourage lack of exercise and dieting, but you may have to ask John Popper. He's lost more than 100 lbs as a result. He was more than 300 at the time of this unusual surgery. He did it, partly because his friend and bandmate Booby Sheehan, died of substance abuse and because
of his own addict to food, John needed to do something with his life.

Al Roker went through some depression, reportedly,after he got the rumored stomach stapling process. Since then, he's rebounded, but what
happened after the surgery does present a problem: how to really enjoy
what you eat with limitations. Plus how it effects a person mentally.

Do I support it? 50%yes 50% no.

There are still questions and hopefully ways to make this kind of surgery safe. But for now, diet and exercise is the way. Plus drinking 8 to 10
glasses of water a day helps too.

Cheers

| j a s o n | Day: 16

momakamolly--- thanks for the websites. and the sentiment, though it's been 22 years, so i expect no big changes soon, except in the wrong direction...

beerbarian--- i'd go to york except for this big ocean in the way... i forget what it's called... you see, ms whitehouse's infamy is far-reaching. if only she had known how many violent impulses she inspired, all directed straight at her.

god--- i've had enough now. uncle.

| Clas @ W | Day: 16

¦ - 90%? Wow, capitalism at its very best then.

| Dragon | Day: 16

Another big part of this diet thing is eating soundly -- if you are getting the proper nutrition you need -- you won't want to eat the bad stuff or overeat. A few years back I charged some health food stuff to my credit cards and tried this regime for a month or so and this stuff I tried really worked. I actually couldn't bring myself to consume stuff that was bad for my body. My appetite decreased and I lost weight, I had more energy and nutritous foods tasted better. Alas it was and still is too expensive for me to go back on.

If anyone is interested I'll see what I can do about getting information to you. The stuff was a combination of herbal supplements in capsule form and then these shakes you would make -- not too appetizing at first but they tasted better and better and then there were these beverages that went along with it which I mixed with the shake things to make them more paletable.

Otley -- Whose to say where WB would be today if he hadn't met DF at Bard? Maybe he'd have left Bard finished college elsewhere and become an interpretor. Or composing operas. Maybe he'd have met some other musicians and be procucing a lot like he is now. Who knows what our lives would be like if... we can only speculate. We know very little of who WB was before he met DF so how can you speculate on what he would have been without him? But where would SD be without WB?

| Miz Ducky | Day: 16

Hrrrm. All this diet talk. I'm with those who say diets basically work badly, if at all, because the human body reads the restriction on food intake as a famine and kicks the metabolism into overdrive.

I've proven to myself that sometimes the metabolism/stomach size/whatever simply does not reset, nomatter how faithfully one applies oneself to this diet-torture mishegase. The story in a nutshell: In the 1980s, I took off over 120 pounds with a nutritionist-supervised diet and a rigorous exercise regimen, bringing me down to about 130 pounds--and once I hit that target weight, I maintained it without slips or fluctuations for an additional full two years. And you know what? At the end of two years, my metabolism had not only *not* reset, it was still as ravenous as ever. I still felt like I was a junkie for food, eating my little calorie-and-quantity-restricted meals like they were methadone holding off the All-consuming Jones. Futher, I had no life--it seemed like I was spending all my time outside of work in the gym, keeping the weight (artificially) pressed down there. Eventually, something had to give--fortunately it was not my health. What happened was that I had a life thrust upon me--fell in love, went back to grad school, watched my mom die of cancer--and suddenly had no more time left for pounding my body into a shape acceptable to societal standards of "beauty."

And ever since then, I've sworn that I would never do that kind of pounding shit to myself again. I do now follow a healthy eating regimen--but it is deliberately *not* focused on weight loss per se. If weight comes off, well and good, but for me to focus on that again will lead me to madness.

Stomach stapling? Very very dangerous in terms of GI-tract health (and health in general), and with lousy statistics in terms of long-term success in keeping weight off. Intestinal by-pass: the same. I sure as hell would never recommend either to anyone I cared about.

Sing it: "Come down off your throne, and leave your body alone ... "

Meanwhile ... there are interesting changes afoot in my personal/professional life, about which I'm not quite ready to post in revealing detail for fear of jinxing the whole gig. But if things come off the way I hope and dream, y'all will be some of the first people to know.

/the Mam'zelle
(duckling mysterioso)

| oleander | Day: 16

BeerB--Where does love come in there? Or are they all a subset of it?

Hutch--Maybe we could enlist the pet psychic lady to get some intimate life details of Mr. Becker for the curious.

Oregano--There but for the grace of somebody or other go you, asshole.

Mu--The Surgeon General didn't walk the walk--he ran the run. Dr. Satcher, muzzled and kicked out the door by the Bush Admin, is a marathoner who used to hand out exercise prescriptions to everyone he met. He was dedicated to the promotion of fitness.

Fr Wm--Just scored a very nice used Terry. Next visit here, let's ride.

wormy--I'll be in NO mid-July. You be around?

| Bill | Day: 16

On this wieght loss thing...

Unfortunately the problem with being overwieght has to do with the
size of the stomach. The stomach is elastic and can be stretched
by over-eating. If you give the stomach a rest it will generally
shrink back to it's old size, but people don't generally do this
and there's a good reason why...the brain prevents it.

You see, inside your stomach are a multitude of nerve endings
which tell the brain when the stomach is full. These nerve fibers
act like a float in the gas tank of an automobile. When the
stomach is full the nerve fibers send a signal to the brain
indicating that the stomach is now full, and the brain puts a
halt to the eating response. You experience this eating response
as hunger. The eating response is a subconscious response which
is necessary for survival. This is why it is so hard to over-ride
your desire to eat.

Our problems occur when we OVER-eat. We we over-eat we stretch the
stomach. Once the stomach is stretched it takes more food to fill
it and the nerve fibers in the stomach will not send the "full"
signal to brain when the right amount of food is consumed, rather
it will take MORE FOOD to cause the eating response to stop.
So the really big problem is over-eating.

So now I've over-eaten and stretched my stomach, what do I do now?
Simple... eat only the amount of calories that your body requires
per day AND IGNORE THE FALSE HUNGER RESPONSE. The stomach will
eventually come back to it's normal size and slowly but surely
you wiil feel "full" when you consume the right amount of food.

This will be a painful thing to do, here's why...
The eating response is controlled by the back portion of your brain.
This is the portion that controls breathing and other involuntary
processes. The front portion of your brain is where reasoning
processes are carried out. Therefore, what we have to do is use
the reasoning part of our brain to over-ride the subconcious
portion of our brain. Sound hard? It is... It's hard because
you literally will have a fight going on within your own brain.
Can reasoning win out over our basic instinctual drives?
YES, but it aint easy. It's kind of like having a misbehaved
child with it's mother in a candy store. The kid wants everything
it sees and will throw a tantrum, if necessary, to get what it
wants. But kids don't always want the right things so the mother
has to console the child and pacify the child until the urge
subsides. This scenario is going on inside the mind of a person
who is trying to lose wieght, and that's why it's so damned hard.

Reason out how many calories you're supposed to have in a day,
and consume only that amount and you will lose wieght, but be
prepared for a fight from within your own brain. It wont be
easy at first but as the stomach shrinks back to it's original
size, the hunger response will slowly fade.

| ╡ | Day: 16

w: Quoting Hoops from the Bluebook:

"I think it's the May 2002 issue of "Performing Songwriter" that has an interview with James Taylor.

Relative to Sean's discussion, he said that he could not get by on just record royalties, that his record deal is not that great. He's all for artists getting a larger percentage of the money record companies get. Currently he gets about 10% for every CD sold. But he also is not opposed to downloads for free and boots since actually have the net effect of increasing his income and getting his music out there. He also talks about his daughter Sally's label and website which fosters fledgling artists without having to involve big record companies."

That means that 90% of the sales $ and therefore interest is in the record companies! This explains the internet strategy well. In the record co. minds, internet radio and dowloading are the same, it's a matter of losing control of that 90%!

C: "Everything gives you cancer. There's no cure, there's no answer...no protein, no booze or nicotine. Remember..."

Things that raise heart rate:

food
sex
alcohol
sun
World Cup
exercise
sedentary lifestyle (raises resting heart rate by reducing parasympathetic drive)

There's no escape...

St. Al: The basic tenets laid down by Aja and Jimbo are sound. A key statistic that has been identified by John Holloszy of the Washington University Medical School in St. Louis is that there are NO differences in caloric intake between people in the year 2000 vs. 1900. The major difference is Caloric Expenditure. This can be accomplished through a number of means. Any of these should have some success. The problem with sedentary lifestyle is that it works against our hunter-gatherer genetic make-up which hasn't change in 40,000 years. In other words, inactivity is now proposed by Frank Booth of the University of Missouri as a pathology because it changes the expression or activation of genes that contribute to a great risk of modern chronic diseases: heart disease, high blood pressure, adult onset (Type II) diabetes, some cancers, and probably Alzheimer's. The argument is that there is a current plague of modern chronic diseases caused by inactivity.

Case in point is the early findings, presented at a meeting I attended recently, regarding the explosion of obesity in children as a result of a shift from active playtime to video games and the internet along with a shift from home-cooked nutritious meals to junk food. For the first time, convincing evidence indicates that many of our children are in the early stages of Type II diabetes. What will their health and health costs be in 30 or 40 years????...under the wrong conditions we are all at risk...this reminds me also of the the quality of the modern Western DIEt and the "cafeteria rats" studied by some friends of my wife years ago in graduate school. Most rats will eat their normal chow or usual scavenging meals until they are full maintaining a steady weight. But the "cafeteria rats" that ate a diet of potato chips, ice cream, chicken fried steak could NOT STOP EATING. If they were also sedentary they swelled like balloons to grotesque proportions...Is a lawsuit against Haagen-Dazs in order ;-0

But one does not have to accomplish the American College of Sports Medicine and the American Heart Asociation minimums (outlined by Aja) to have important effect in reducing the risk of chronic diseases. Caloric expenditure, maintaining muscle mass, and maintaining a good immune system are probably all important. .

Walking, climbing, lifting, carrying, manual cleaning, building, making clothes, and occasionally sprinting after of from animals, and high power (lots of force and speed at the same time) work interspersed throughout the day were the types of activites performed by our acestors and form our gene pool...As our European counterparts, walk and bike more. Take the stairs instead of the elevators. Do a few pushups and situps. If your like aerobics or Taekwondo - go for it. Bring a book or watch the new to make some treadmill or Stairmaster or stationary bike bearable. These activities can be spread throught the day and the week. A little tennis, swimming, basketball...even golf, if you walk. Ironically, more psople die playing golf than jogging every year...combination of heat, alcohol, and bad tickers...It takes I while - I'm trying to get back into the swing of things after 8 years - and it's taking much longer to shape up than in my youth, that's for certain. Start slowly, but start something - a combination of things I think is good physiologicall and psychologically...drudgery does not breed compliance...

Unfortunately, our country, the Surgeon General, and NIH talk the talk but do not walk the walk. Primary prevention is a joke... Very little money is spent on research prjects which invetigate the basic and applied and clinical sciences that underly the major contribution of inactivity and in combination with Western diets to modern chronic diseases...

| WARNING! | Day: 16

Never increase your heartrate! That's dangerous stuff, and God gave us a certain amount of heartbeats to begin with... don't waste them.

Beer/Fingers - yes, 191 centimeters and 79 kilos, sharp as a razor.

| Aja...busy, busy, busy! | Day: 16

Exercise doesn't have to be something as strenuous as running, all you need to do is elevate your heart rate 60-80% and sustain it for 20-30 minutes, 3-4X a week. Walking can do this! Or rollerblading. Personally, I hate gyms and never go to them. I love to be outdoors, so I run, bike and swim (biked 60 miles thru the mountains yesterday-it was so beautiful!) If I didn't love doing that, I wouldn't. The key is to find an exercise that's fun and you look forward to doing it-weight loss will be a side effect.

As for diet, if you stick with fresh fruit, fresh veggies, chicken, fish, and pasta you'll be fine. If it comes in a box or a can, don't eat it. Forget trendy diets that cut out carbs, or have you eat only grapefruit on M, W, F, or protein after 6:00 pm-they're all a load of crap! Those are the yo-yo diets that eventually ruin your health.

Gotta run!

Aja

| Beerberian | Day: 16

FINGERS; Big Big Salute for last night !! Awesome as ever .. Perfect end, to the perfect day and as Lou would have said - "I'm SO glad that I spent it with you " and the fabulous DSO. Top marks for all !! Glynn was perfection plus with knobs on !! Special thanks for PLogic - Cracking version. Shame we couldn't see the horns in t'back of cave but certainly heard 'em SPOT and ON would be the verdict there !! Two more converts, in Lemmie & Jill brought to the church of Dandom - I'm SURE you'll be seeing their faces again. I have a few blurry pics (it was the camera HONEST !) will send from my work email tommorrow if you want ?

DUNC; Great to meet u and the Lady Linda You must tell me sometime WTF we actually talked about ??? LOL. I have rather nice piccy of you two too ! Must have taken this one before I got S***Faced ??

CLAS; Fingers has a theory you are 7 foot two tall ??? Or is that just your ego !!

| Otley Oregano | Day: 16

What would WB be doing today if he never met DF in college?
Does the phrase "Would you like fries with that?" ring a bell?

| Molly once again...... | Day: 16

Agree somewhat with Aja and Jimbo about exercising for health. I hate to run! The first stint of my run is like torture for me; then the adrenaline kicks in and my mind and body are synchronous.Then, I love the way I feel after my run. Lifting weights is even worse. I find it boring and about as enjoyable as a trip to the Dentist.But I want my body to do what I tell it to! I have a special needs child that requires me to be able to lift him. I have passions in my life that demands things like stength, endurance, breath control....So I run and I lift. I think the primary factor to exercising is motivation,( and perhaps a little bit of discipline)
As for weight, again I know people who never exercise and are razor thin. Not necessarily healthy but thin. Moreover i've known large people who were very fit. Which leads me to conclude that we shouldn't make assumptions about people based solely on their appearance...

Bluz, sorry I started a new painting and lost myself for awhile. You were gone when I came back. Talk soon?!!!! Am I still your favorite witch?
well off to work now :)
peace M.

| Molly | Day: 16

RE: post 2511 "Must be something else" we say
Somehow to defend this place
Everything must be this way
Everything must be this way
The soft parade has now begun.....
Apparently you read a little more then "Playboy"
thanks for listening M

| Clas @ a rainy Sunday | Day: 16

Howard and Mad Dogs & Englishmen;

Saw the Buckingham Palace rock show on Swedish TV last night. Great show. Steve Winwood, Eric Clapton, Phil Collins, Brian May, Ray Davies, Dame Edna, Cliff Richard (still looking like a teenager, how old is he, 65?).

What amazes me is the good quality of the Brit back-up musicians, the good sound, the professionalism. It was a blast hearing the old hit parade at the end, especially Steve Winnwood at the Hammond playing/singing Gimme Some Loving.

The music I grew up with.

And cool to see Brian Wilson, he did Good Vibrations.

| Jimbo | Day: 16

StAL-How about stomach stapling. I personally wouldn't reccommend it but it's a method in which doctors take a stomach tube and tie it around in order to limit food intake. Carnie Wilson, John Popper of Blues Traveler and Al Roker have undergone this procedure.

But a proper diet and exercise is still necessary whether or not you choose this method.

| Jimbo | Day: 16

I agree with Aja when she says throw away the scale. Don't let it dominate your objective for maintaining a healthy lifestyle. The scale plays trick.

| Jimbo | Day: 16

On this diet issue, two years ago I was at 200 lbs and had one knee hurting everytime I got out of my car. I started to go dieting the
day after I had my last food binge, ironically a day after a Steely Dan concert in Pittsburgh, PA.

In two months, I lost about 15 lbs. Since then, my knee stopped hurting and I'm feeling more active. I do it by maintaining two hours of exercise
a day. That includes either walking, ab exercises and a bit of jogging.
Right now, I'm trying to work on weight lifting. I eat lean meats such as chicken and fish. Everyday, I always make sure I have a good breakfast
consisting of Special K, without the milk, a glass of OJ and a bottle of water nearby. I'll even throw in some raisins. Lunch is a tuna sandwich
on wheat with yogurt and bottled water. Once a month I can splurge just a little for a day. I plan to lose a few more just to get rid of that little spare tire I still have. Whoa! Now I've embarrassed myself.

On the Newport issue, still working out a few details including a possible stop in NYC. Will let you know in a week if it's a possibility.

Did anyone catch Bowie on A&E last night. One hell of a concert I have to say. Favorites: Fame, Ashes to Ashes, Changes, and I'm Afraid of Americans. Love the bass player, too;)

Gotta go, see ya.
Happy Father's Day

| Aja.............late nite check in | Day: 15

St. Al-rather than try to lose weight, it's better just to learn healthy living habits and let your body do the rest. Don't try to make it conform to any standard of size. Find an exercise that you like to do because it's fun-that's the only reason you'll stay with it. Avoid processed food: fast food, fried food, sodas, chips, and especially the so-called "diet foods" with an ingredient list 2 paragraphs long, but you knew that already. Make your diet mostly fresh food and cook it at home-eating out is fun here and there but packs on the pounds (unless you live in Southern California, where low fat foods abound). If you have a scale, throw it away. The focus should be on health, not weight. The worst way to get in shape is to decide to lose a certain amount in a specified period of time. The best way is to change your living habits and focus on health, and your body will be the size it's meant to be. Not everyone was meant to be thin, but everyone can have good health (generally speaking, genetic abnormalities and disease aside).

'nite, all.

Aja

| 10001001001 | Day: 15

The soft parade has now begun,
listen to the engines hum.
Cobra on my left, leopard on my right.

(There are still a few animals left out in the yard, but it's getting
harder to describe)

| Hutch | Day: 15

Sorry. Left out the Cmaj7 after the C#7.

| Hutch | Day: 15

Decided the other night to learn a new SD song. So, of course, I went straight to Howard. There simply is no better source. I picked out FM and man, I'm LOVING it! If any of you guitar players want to really have a blast then learn this one. Lots of fun to play. Thanks Howard!
Actually the version I learned is the one that you sent to OLGA a while back. The updated version that's on your site now has some great changes but actually I'm a bit more comfortable with the version on OLGA... a little more straight forward without getting too much into chord changes on individual syllables. But, hey... it's all GOOD! The chord progression on that song is sheer genius IMO. I especially like the turnaround toward the end of the first sax solo (the Dmaj7, C#7, B7, Em7, A7, C7, B7#9 bit)... that move from A7 to C7 is so sublime. How do these guys come up with this stuff??

The remastered SD albums just sound so damn good. I was listening to Kid Charlemagne off of the "Decade of" album and something just didn't sound right... a little muddy. I thought, "hmmmmm, let me just slap this Royal Scam remaster in there and do a little comparison". Sheeeesh! The hi-hat just jumps right out at you. And the vocals are incredibly crisp. A while back Altamira (where are you, girl?) mentioned Fagen's enunciation. How distinctly he pronounces consonants. You can sure hear it on the remasters.

Only in America Dept.
I see we now have a nice looking English lady who has her own TV show on the Animal Planet cable channel. She's a "pet psychic". She's like that John Edward guy who talks to people's dead relatives. But she's got a studio full of people with dogs and cats, ferrets, guinea pigs, turtles, etc. in their laps and this woman comes over and says stuff like "He's telling me he really doesn't like the waxed floors. They're too slippery for him and he wants you to stop waxing them. I'll explain to him that they need to be waxed blah blah blah..." Then she proceeds to look at the dog and "communicate with it telepathically".

You be the judge.

Hutch

| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 15

ST AL. please don't be cross with me....I've really tried to behave. I haven't made a lewd suggestion to you in well over a week! Can I help it if you "do" it for me.... lol lol :)At least you could be kind about my wanton lust..

| Bill | Day: 15

Mu,

Walter chews Tobacco? I had no idea.
See this is the kind of stuff I'd like to know about...
I wonder if he likes ring dings?

Molly,

I have the Brian Sweet book, but he fails to mention any of Walter's
grades or his S.A.T. scores. This was a major oversight no?

| Molly | Day: 15

St.Al, my cuddly sweet sugarman.... It's a conspiracy I tell you! Dieting makes poeople fatter. The reason that you regain the weight that you lose is because when one is deprived of one of the most basic elements to survive, your body strives to keep itself going on less fuel. I don't think you are addicted to food, any more then most people who try to live in a state of constant deprivation would be. Most of us eat for reasons other then hunger. Eating equates with life. All animals provide nourishment for their young. One of the things that helps babies bond with their mothers is the action of being held and feed. Ask any of the Moms who have ever breast feed their children, if that baby wasn't aware of their presence long before they could see them. Offering to share ones food was probably a big deal in times where folks weren't sure of where they would get their next meal. The media has feed us these bullshit ideas about what is beautiful, and acceptable. Guess what? It's an illusion. None of us can look that way...We can't travel around with an entourage of hair stylists and make up people. Who would really want to if you could? That would be so tedious...I like real people Al. I want lines, warts and wrinkles... everything that we are supposed to have.
I know you are aware of my attraction to large people. As an artist I like painting large women. They have more curves and such... I have been told that my paintings of big women were very erotic and beautiful. I've always sold them ! I hope that I didn't offend any large person out in Banyan Land. I certainly never meant to imply you eat twinkies all day...or consume large amounts of food. Nor did I intend to sound condescending.. In peace and freindship M.

| ╡ | Day: 15

Bill: I think this is what you were looking for:

Uncle Walter

By Ben Folds

Come on!
Your Uncle Walter's going on and on
'Bout everything he's seen and done
The voice of 50 years experience
is Drunk, watching the television

You know he's been around the world
Last night he flew to Baghdad
In his magical armchair
With cigarettes and a six pack, yeh, he just got back
The spit's flying everywhere.

Hey, hey, hey, hey (Your Uncle Walter's going on and on)
Why are you back so late? (Where did you go that you were gone so long)
How could you leave me here so long
With Uncle Walter

Your Uncle Walter saw who fired the shots
He drove his chair in the cavalcade
He's flown from South Africa
To countries where
They beat themselves on the backs with chains

There was a fleet of battleships
And one reclining chair
Headed north on the Arabian sea
Now he's back to tell us what
He and his oldest boy Blair
They're getting rich with their mail order scheme

Oh, oh, oh, oh
We're glad you're home
How could you leave me here so long
With Uncle Walter

Your Uncle Walter told me
Everything he'd do if he was president
Oh what a perfect world
This world would be
If he were President now - but he's not!

And he sees the children
Smoking pot
He knows that in a moment
They'll be shooting up heroin
Teardrops in his armchair
A 50 minute lecture
Tobacco juice rolling down his chin

Hey, hey, hey, hey
You're back so late
How could you leave me here so long
With Uncle Walter

| StAlphonzo | Day: 15

Obesity -- now there's a subject I can speak about with authority. It's something I've battled all my life. With a few short lived exceptions, either due to stress and/or diet pills, I've always been "overweight" -- since I was 3 anyway. I've recently come to the conclusion I will probably never be "skinny." Though I am in control of this, the steps necessary to overcome this ongoing problem is simply overwhelming for me -- serious exercise and eat nothing but foods I really don't like -- basically a complete and total change in my lifestyle.

And here's the problem. Most people assume if you're fat you should just loose weight. Well, it ain't that simple. Like a smoker who can't stop smoking even though they know it's bad for them, food is the most powerful drug there is. Here's the reason. Unlike any recreational drug or cigarettes, we need food to survive. Try telling an alcoholic they can only have 1 drink per day -- but they MUST have at least that? How about a smoker? You can only smoke 2 cigs a day. It is vital you smoke these cigarettes to survive, but you can ONLY have 2.

To make matters worse -- I don't eat twinkies. I don't eat a lot of the foods that are really bad for you. I don't eat a massive amount of food. I have a very efficient metabolism that doesn't allow me to eat that crap with REALLY packing on the pounds. SO I've got two strikes against me. One, I'm addicted to a drug that I must have daily to survive, and I have a condition which makes it difficult to properly process this drug. Sure, I'm getting more exercise, eating better foods and not smoking, but it's still not coming off very fast.

The bottom line, though, is I could change this problem if I chose to. And this is what most of society thinks when they see someone who's fat. Unlike the person in a wheelchair, I have control over this problem. Therefore I do not demand special privileges or compassion. We all have our crosses to bare in this world. Sure, discrimination exists, but I haven't let my weight problems get in the way of achieving the things I want for a very long time. I guess the thing that's always bothered me is the assumption of many that all fat people do is sit around eating bon-bons. That's we're gluttoness, slovenly people without a care for what we put in our bodies. Like most stereotypes, this simply isn't true.

However, feel sorry for me? Please...

Do I blame society for wanting to lower the costs of caring for people? No. Do I like seatbelt and helmet laws? No. But, which is the right path?

Oh, and Molly... No need to remind everyone how much you appreciate "big" men. We know already! :)

| Molly | Day: 15

Dragon, dear lady you are right. I do think that because of the "health" liability that insurance companies deem obesity to be, in the near furture it will become as much of an issue as smoking is right now. I think we have too much Government interference with issues that should be ones of personal choice. What angers me about the issue of body size is that most of it seems determined by ones genetics. I hate that we are feed this drivel about proper diet and exercise. I'm 5'8" tall and weigh in at about 125. I've never been larger then a size 4 in my life. Guess what? I eat twinkies and all the other things that you're not supposed to....There are studies that link obesity to dieting. One doesn't hear much about them, because the diet industry is in bed with the insurance companies.AND IT IS ALL ABOUT PROFIT! well i'm done preaching for now....lol lol
ps. Don't you find heavier people more visually interesting as an artist? Would like to hear your opinions...

| Clem your a bum | Day: 15

boston rag..your in my pinstipes you bum.
throw again at another good guy and you will
shit green for a week..bum

babe

| da mayor | Day: 15

why dont youz have my millr high life"

| Smiley | Day: 15

http://www.dr-walter-becker.de/behandlungsubersicht.html

Unser Behandlungsspektrum umfa¯t folgende Gebiete der modernen Zahnheilkunde:

Beratung
Funktionanalyse
Prophylaxe
Parodontaltherapie
Zahnreinigung
Fnllungstherapie
Wurzelbehandlung
-sthetik
Zahnschmuck
Kinderbehandlung
KieferorthopSdie
Prothetik
Sport- Mundschutz
Chirurgie
Implantologie
Unser Behandlungsspektrum umfa¯t folgende Gebiete der modernen Zahnheilkunde:

| Robot | Day: 15

Too much.

Bill.

Under any handle.

289690645-76

Bill.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 14

¦ - well, that explains it. No fullscreen view then?

---

Molly - this I find very important, you said;

ôOnce you cross certain lines in standards of behavior, it is easier to lower them again and again...ö

Great point. And it's easier to cross certain standards when you're under the influence of alcohol. In Sweden there's still this stupid debate among people who have no clue; Cannabis automatically brings the person to Heroin-addiction, which is ridicolous to say.

The main gateway-drug is alcohol.

---

StAl - harsh? Man, I have been here for over six years now. You have to do better than that to become harsh!

| Dragon | Day: 14

Molly -- Punishing people for being heavy in the near future? The future is now! No, this society may not lock people up for being overweight -- but they are verbally abused constantly. People are discriminated against constantly, both personally and professionally. People lose jobs they interview for because they are overweight or lose jobs they have because they have gained weight. People are killing themselves figuratively and literally over the punishments this society is reigning down upon the overweight. There is no need for conventional punishment like fines and imprisonment we already have the cruel and unusal.

Jake -- so what does it take to get one of your CDs?

Beerberian -- take my hand and we'll help each other.

arlean -- What do you mean by, "touching the function of it all"?

Bill -- for more info on Walter Becker and there is more information but not much try Brian Sweet's pseudo biography "Reelin' In The Years" and or I have a list of magazine articles compiled by Scott Andrew Borton that I could send you if you email me your snail-dress. Maybe there is a site out there with this info on it, if not maybe someday I'll type it up and post it on my site? Maybe...

| Stick2Dsubject | Day: 14

I believe the question was...

WHO IS WALTER BECKER?

| arlean | Day: 14

maybe i will find compassion there.

and that is what matters.

a little compassion.

adter all, i rather be me than you.

because when i come here, rarely, it is my name i come with. i don't have to hide, because i really do care.

truth.

try it sometime, it feels good.

| hey arlean! | Day: 14

Go back to the Natalie Merchant site, okay?

| arlean | Day: 14

do you think it's funny, ask one who knows, it's not funny........

i drove past a mission the other day. i rolled down the window to hear the conversation, the babble. i thanked God, it was not me.

we can laugh at it all.
or we can leave a dollar in the torn cup, a gift of coffee in the morning, i give those gifts, and smile. i could hear them laughing.............but i smile, because laughter can be cruel.

but this is the world and it is indeed real.

i did not mean to offend you.
i did not mean to touch the bone.
i did not mean to touch the function of it all.
we all function.
even in the humor of what you see and what others know.
i am the others..........

| Beerberian | Day: 14

How's everyone doin with their 6 perfections today then ?? Fingers started this chain of consciousness .....
1] generosity,
2] ethics,
3] patience,
4] effort,
5] concentration,
6] wisdom.

I'm really struggling with 2] Knowing the basic difference between right and wrong is imperative to generating the 6 Perfections. To practice the perfection of ethics means to refrain from doing harm to yourself and all those around you. Killing, sexual misconduct, consuming harmful substances such as alcohol or drugs, being deceitful, and using abusive language must be avoided........ Well I ain't killed anyone ...YET.... Anybody willing to take me by the hand ?

| Jay & Silent Bob | Day: 14

One
Two
One Two Three Four
Nootch Nootch Nootch
Smoking weed, smoking weed, doing coke, drinkin beers
Drinkin beers beers beers
Rollin' phatties, smoking blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts
Roll them blunts and smoke them..

[Uhh... lemme get a nickel bag]

15 bucks, little man
Put that @#%$, in my hand
if that money doesn't show
Then you owe me owe me owe

... JUNGLE LOVE! oh e oh e oh..."

| arlean | Day: 14

when i was twenty years old I was in gateway rehab. 1978, not a very good year.

yes, it started with pot.
yes, it runs in the family.
yes, i regret it very much.
yes, on certain days, in certain times in my life, i touch something to numb it and then run as far away as possible.

i have friends that still get high. they function. maybe.
i have friends who never have. they function also, maybe.
i admire both.

but all i really know is that once long ago i fell.
and my knees will always hurt, have a scar, a notch.
until you have been there yourself, don't have an opinion or researched facts or put some one down because of it.

any chemical addiction is a sad tale to tell.

take care of yourselves, everyone of you.

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 14

all this talk about pot is giving me the munchies......

lol-ing at my own jokes

liked the ring-ding joke, btw - watch out little debbie is at your back door people - LOLOLOL!!!!!

| Bill/How about this? | Day: 14

We seem to know alot about Donald Fagen.
We know where he grew up. We know where he went to school. We know
what his parents and siblings were like, (they were ironic people I
guess). We know who his early musical influences were. We know that
he does'nt care for Kendall Park, New Jersey. We know that he had
heavy sense of "otherness". Fine...

But what do we REALLY know about this Becker fellow?
Where did he go to school as a kid? Where exactly in Queens, NY
did he grow up? Who are his parents? Does he have any brothers or
sisters? What was his childhood like? What are his likes and dislikes?
What would he have been doing now if he had never met Donald Fagen in
college?

In short..., EXACTLY WHO IS THIS GUY?

| Music By Jake | Day: 14

Jake
thank's for the disc I appreciate it..under our new general manager
we should be back on the world wide web live..very soon.

did you pick up kenny garrett yet? he's blastin now with the
doors and windows open here at the pad..strong on shore breeze
clear and bright today..the kind of day billy withers sang about
in "lovely day" can't get enough of it"

bluz

| yeah whatever.......... | Day: 14

I tried to get my drugs from people that I knew and trusted.... I never claimed to be in the "know"...Like I said I feel lucky. Some people I knew weren't. I had one friend that used to ride his motorcycle through the rock quarry at night while high. One night the gate was closed and he didn't know it. It was night and he apparently couldn't tell.(perhaps because he was f**ked up)He hit the gate going pretty fast. We found him a few hours later. Because he was messed up,Don wouldn't let us take him to the hospital. His spleen was busted from the wreck, he died a few hours later. My friend Terry took some LSD that was laced with someyhing bad........I don't claim to know what. He was the person who ended up in a mental hospital for over 3 years. Maybe he would have went anyway. Who knows? I could give you more examples of people that I knew that were hurt by drugs, but what would be the point? Molly

| Sgt. Friday - just the facts, M'am | Day: 14

Yeah Molly, you're really "in the know"...

"The stuff I used was made by someone was knew what they were doing. It wasn't cut with Strychnine ect"

On the issue of strychnine in LSD:

The following text was written by Alexander T. Shulgin in response to the overwhelming misconception that strychnine is commonly found in street samples of LSD:

"The observation of strychnine as being present in any street drug, as a by-product, or a contaminant, or an impurity has never been documented. It is a natural plant product, as are the ergots which are used in the synthesis of LSD. But they come from totally unrelated plants; there has never been a report of strychnine and an ergot alkaloid co-existing in a single species. So if the two materials are together in a drug sample, it could only be by the hand of man. I have personally looked at a large number of illicit street offerings and have never detected the presence of strychnine. The few times that I have indeed found it present, have been in legal exhibits where it usually occurred in admixture with brucine (also from the plant Strychnos nux-vomica) in criminal cases involving attempted or successful poisoning. The same argument applies to the myth that occasionally surfaces, that strychnine occurs in the white tufts of peyote. This is equally fraudulent -- it has never been reported in that cactus or any other cactus."

| Aussie | Day: 14

LuckLess Pedestrian: We will hopefully be making it to Newport....chanses are quite good for that actually......so I'll be sure to let you know as the date approaches.

Meanwhile, the JVC Jazz Festival descends in New York City today and plays through for two weeks in duration......there's a well written piece in today's New York Times newspaper authored by Mr. Ben Ratliff. In it, he features a chequelist of highly recommended shows, both within the JVC festival and outside it....."But it's not just the Vanguard and Birdland; it's all over. From until the end of June, you can't swing a cat without hitting a world-class musician, particularly one who doesn't come around here often enough."

O yes......I'm lighting a phattie for all of you out there reading.....

Everyone :Have a phantabulous weekend, and for you fathers out there: Happy father's day!

Aus

| Molly | Day: 14

Guys, calm down! No I don't have any scienctific papers to back up what I wrote in my earlier post. From my own experience and what I've witnessed, Marajuana is the drug most people start with. I started getting high at 12, and like St. Al I've expermented with just about all drugs. (with the exception of crack, thank you El wherever you are dear friend)Personally I got high to numb out my feelings. Experimenting with other drugs didn't seem like a big deal... Like the person who wrote the post about something only seeming kinky the first time.Once you cross certain lines in standards of behavior, it is easier to lower them again and again. I was lucky! Other then having my heart broken by a junkie, I was pretty much unscathed by my drug use.I don't feel that people who use drugs should be thrown in some prison, especially with violent offenders. The drug problems we have are here to stay. It is one of the symptoms of the social ills that we have. Personally I don't give a flying f**k if someone smokes pot I stopped a long time ago. The risks seemed to outweigh any pleasure that I derived from it. It seemed stupid to me to do something that might cost me my child, or my home. Moreover most of the children assigned to me come from families with substance abuse problems. I wanted to create an environment in which they felt secure, and cared for. I didn't think seeing another adult blitzed would be conducive in making these kids feel that way. We've talked about this long enough. None of us are going to change how we believe...lets move on to another topic.
Bill, Sweetness.. .you shouldn't joke about it. I see our society punishing people for being heavy in the near future. :)

| Bob Marley's Ghost | Day: 14

In the corner of my eye, I saw you in Sven's
You were very sloshed
You were sloshed
You were a Swedish disgrace, your master race
On the counter, by your keys
Was a fifth of Stoli, your "legal" remedy
A few of these surely will screen out the sorrow
And leave you brutally hungover tomorrow

You can't cry anymore, no drug-myth runarounds
Gateway theories, that don't hold up no mo'
It's all bullshit now
Smoke a big fat spliff and get out of here

Got some green bud, here ya' go
You'll live longer....(four dots) don't fry your liver, bro
You should know, why all the drunks act the same
It "wets" your brain
Like Dean Martin, on the run
You will stagger home, to your Pompe one
Booze is so fun
It makes your boring life all right, drink it up till daylight

We don't care anymore for your half-baked "facts'
Quit the swill, because it's all so clear
The laws are fucked-up now
Smoke a big fat spliff and get out of here

| lp | Day: 14

hello?

anyone interested in going to newport in august?

no?

sheesh!

can't even get a good discussion going about music - LOL

happy friday folks!

| Group of Death | Day: 14

There's a Swedey who's sure
Caffiene triggers glue
And he says its a gateway to heroin

He's a fly on the wall
And he wants to make sure
'cause you know most times he has no meaning

Oooooohh and it makes me wonder

| Not this year..... | Day: 14

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020614/1/bn8.html

| Fingers | Day: 14

THE DANNY STEEL ORCHESTRA:
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2 hours of The 'Dan.....following the glorious victory of Engerland v Denmark earlier in the day (think positive !!!).Save some room for some more beers and a geat deal of cheer as we provide the end of a perfect day for y'all.
See you there playmates?
www.dannysteelorchestra.co.uk
www.fibbers.co.uk/fibbers/whatson.cfm

| ╡ | Day: 14

"then why do all the "under 30s" have such big collections without ever having bought a CD?"

So, you're stating that Bob Dole must buy the millions and millions of Britney Spears, Blink 182, Goo Goo Dolls,and Christine Aguielera CDs every year...right. No one OVER 30 buys that crap, so just who does that leave???

Clas: No, I'm not the longest club in the golfbag - but I do use a Mac...

South Korea really did save our butts (or the left goal post at least) today - not that anybody cares here. It would appear that our soccer team was too busy... trying to find stories about our great play until today in the World Cup on page 15G thumbing through the mass coverage of the Lakers, Tiger Woods, and the Red Wings... to play Poland today...

| Bill | Day: 14

Speaking of "Gateway" stuff, I think alot of gateway stuff should
be outlawed..

For instance, Ring Dings should be outlawed! Those little, round
chocolate-covered, cake things have alot of fat and really bad
hydrogenated oils in em', and can lead to "harder" foods like
pizza, lasagna, and all that stuff they make on the french cooking
shows.

Those monsters over at Hostess Inc. would have you believe that
you can try a couple of Ring Dings and not get sucked into the
harder stuff...the bastards.

Sure, it's all fun and games until somebody gets fat right?

| Steve Jobs | Day: 14

Pot is a Gateway drug which is why I switched from Compaq

| w | Day: 14

u- if we buy your "use the net to wet their appetite and then they'll go buy the CD" theory, then why do all the "under 30s" have such big collections without ever having bought a CD?

Obviously they were not enticed to actually pay for the music.

It's incredible how the "internet generation" wants everything for free, but wants to get paid(dearly) for their own work.

More to come

| YGK | Day: 14

Gateway Drug?

LIFE!!!!!

St. Al: Daisy is a wilting flower and afraid of new soil to plant herself in.......more news at 11......

ygk

| Scheer's got it right.... | Day: 14

A Drug War Fought On Ideology Alone
By Robert Scheer
Published March 23, 1999 in the Los Angeles Times

Darn, the facts do get in the way. What are the drug warriors to do now that the most thorough scientific survey ever of the medical consequences of marijuana use concluded this: Marijuana eases pain and quells nausea in cancer and AIDS patients and isn't addictive or a gateway to harder drugs.
"Withdrawal symptoms are relatively mild and short-lived," according to the report of the federal Institute of Medicine, and "there is no conclusive evidence that marijuana acts as a 'gateway' drug."

But if the effects of marijuana smoking are no more threatening than smoking cigarettes, as the panel of 35 experts announced last week after an 18-month study commissioned by federal drug czar Barry R. McCaffrey, then why is the cultivation, trade and use of pot regarded as a crime?

Each year, more than half a million Americans are arrested on marijuana-related charges even though, as this report confirms, their use of the drug poses no substantial risk to themselves or society. That also has been the conclusion of every other serious study of the effect of marijuana.

Eighty million Americans have used marijuana and most have shown no inclination to move on to harder drugs or to act in anti-social ways. But the huge and highly profitable anti-drug war industry is hooked on marijuana as justification for its enormously expensive and disruptive crusade. That's how they get the alarming numbers of "drug users," which masks the fact that harder drug use has declined and effects a much smaller percentage of the population.

This explains why McCaffrey, who heads the White House Office of Drug Enforcement, now dissembles instead of facing up to the policy implications of a report he commissioned. When he announced this study two years ago, it was in an effort to counter claims of those who had successfully rallied voters in seven states to pass referendums legalizing the medical use of marijuana.

At the time, McCaffrey, calling for "science not ideology" to settle the medical marijuana debate, predicted the therapeutic claims made for the drug would prove bogus and confirm his oft-repeated statement that marijuana is the major gateway drug. But McCaffrey was proved wrong on both counts. Marijuana, as has been widely acknowledged throughout the world for thousands of years, is a relatively benign euphoric. It was grown and used by our founding fathers and was legal throughout most of this great nation's history. It is certainly less harmful than alcohol, which kills 100,000 people a year, or cigarettes, which account for four times that number of deaths.

McCaffrey should now concede that marijuana is not a gateway drug and that its use should be decriminalized. Instead, he acknowledged only the report's warning that smoking harms the respiratory system. Which argues that if marijuana is ingested through a vaporizer or in a baked brownie, it is safe. Anyway, we don't arrest people for smoking tobacco, preferring education over imprisonment as a means of persuasion.

Our drug war is based on lies that confuse rather than educate the public, particularly the young. Better to tell them the truth: Any drug can be abused, be it marijuana, cigarettes or beer.

But truth is abhorrent to the drug war hawks in Congress. Rep. Bill McCullum (R-Fla.), who chairs the House subcommittee on crime, condemned the current report, saying, "When smoking a dangerous and highly addictive drug is labeled 'therapeutic,' we are sending the wrong message to our youth." He obviously had not bothered to read even the summary of the report that clearly concludes that marijuana is not "highly addictive."

For drug war veteran Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), this is just the problem: The scientists wasted our money because they came to the wrong conclusions. Barr, who has led the fight to spend $ 11 billion a year on the drug war, condemned this scientific study as an egregious waste of funds: "You cannot consistently send a message to our young people that the use of mind-altering drugs is wrong and at the same time spend nearly $ 1 million of taxpayers' hard-earned money to fund studies looking for ways to justify the legalization of marijuana."

No, much better to spend many times that amount locking up those same taxpayers for preferring marijuana to bourbon. Madness can properly be defined as a state of mind in which facts and logic are of no consequence. What better way to describe our failed drug policy?

| Enough with the fairy tales... | Day: 14

Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. According to the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine, "There is no evidence that marijuana serves as a stepping stone [to other drugs of abuse] on the basis of its particular physiological effectàIt does not appear to be a gateway drug to the extent that it is the cause or even that it is the most significant predictor of serious drug abuse." Source: Joy, Janet E., Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base for the Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine. (Washington DC: National Academy Press, 1999), Chapter 3, pp. 98-100.

Any other questions?

| StAlphonzo | Day: 14

Gateway drug? Hmmm... Well, it was the first drug I took and, though I'm not proud to say, I've tried every other recreational drug known to man except heroin. So maybe...

However, my very best friend's first foray into illicit drugs was a COMBINATION of LSD and MMDA (sort-of Ecstasy -- the crazy bastard). I know a few others who first tried LSD before any other drug (except alcohol). But these are the rare exception. However, I'd be willing to bet there are more than a few youngsters out there who's only experience with illicit drugs are with the fashionable Ecstasy. So gateway?? Maybe...

My point from the beginning is in order for us to make any progress with this very real problem, we must get past the emotional rhetoric and focus on the big picture. Putting pot smokers in jail isn't the answer.

Clas: Re-reading my post I realized it was a bit harsh. I meant it rather jokingly. That's what I get for posting before my first cup of coffee.

StAl

| Beerberian | Day: 14

Clas; "What IS a gateway to drugs are Alcohol" ??????? I think u need a stiff one old chap (St Al and his schlong await) \_/ take this down in one ! I was sitting here wondering how long it would take the debate to gravitate to the "evils of drink" as the patsy ...... What about the element of peer pressure - drives most primaeval urges in my exp ?

| Clas | Day: 14

Molly - about Cannabis being a gateway drug, yes, and no.

This is the facts;

Being stoned on Cannabis doesn't automatically make it easier for a person to try Heroin.

BUT, the environment, the illegal scene, does expose other illegal drugs to the person.

What IS a gateway to drugs are Alcohol; the mind-altering effect of Alcohol makes you braver and more willing to take risks. Alcohol is the major gateway to other drugs.

And no drug abuse these days are entierly mono, most of the drug-abusers mix their drugs into a comfortable up- down- and one step a side-existence.

And Molly dear, dr ¦ is not smarter than you, everybody can cut and paste information from other web-sites into this Yellow Ship.

| Beerberian | Day: 14

Moll; If it helps I ALWAYS read ALL of your posts ......But as for PHD MOO he loses me in the preamble LOL, and any way that symbol he uses always reminds of equations I never quite got @ skool ......eg

Rate = -1 ( 1 / M ) dM / dt arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! x10/(a-b)

psilocybe - tried it - scared myself shitless with it - left it !!

USA into the last 16 well I never ....you guys interested yet ?

| Molly | Day: 14

While I am in no way as smart as our Dr. Mu, I did experiment with various hallucinogens. I loved them! But I see that I was very lucky. The stuff I used was made by someone was knew what they were doing. It wasn't cut with Strychnine ect.... I was good friends with a Professor of Pharmacology,at the University of Louisville. (He warned me about crack long before it was popular.) We'd talk about various drugs and their effects. He told me that most of the time whatever you are feeling whenever you take acid, would be amplified a great deal. I always made sure that someone who wasn't high was with me....in case I did have a bad experience. Looking back, I can see that I was incredibly stupid to be so cavalier about my drug use.I knew a young man that had a psychotic episode while using LSD, he was in a mental hospital for about 3 years....
As far as Marajuana is concerned I think it should be legalized. But I do know that Marajuana is a "gateway" drug. People don't usually take herion or crack, then work their way down to pot. In a better world, we'd try to address the reasons why so many people want to anesthetize themselves...
oh well I'm off my soapbox now....LOL LOL M.

| StAlphonzo | Day: 14

Clas: "Think" what you want. You cannot deny human nature. Some people use drugs to get high. Others use exercise. No mater what we ALL seek the affect. Admit it man, you have no basis for your argument other than some ridiculous bias. You certainly have a right to an opinion, but, if you're gonna debate, bring something to the table other than your schlong...

Speaking of schlongs... Regarding my previous comment... No, it doesn't really hurt when I pee. I stole it from one of my favorite Frank Zappa tunes appropriately titled: "Why does it hurt when I pee?"

LCpaul: Decriminalize means to reduce or abolish criminal laws against possession. Typically a law like this allows for possession of up to a certain amount before prosecution. Alaska has/had a law which decriminalized possession of a certain amount (can't remember what) before they'd even consider writing you a ticket, let alone putting you in jail. Legal means to legally sanction the drug and that's something I doubt you'll ever see. Typical legal gray-area.

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 14

Sorry for the typo Clas - I was stoned

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 14

Jimbo - you still coming up for Newport Jazz Fest? I'm in if you are...

| C @ W | Day: 14

IcPaul - and don't really wanna go over someone but,

ôdecriminaliseö vs ôlegaliseö?

Well, by using the word ôdecriminaliseö you go more ôimpress the chat-peopleö.

I would spell ôdecriminalizeö though.

---

Bad Sneakers - it's ôparentsö, nothing else.

Oleander - exactly my point, just what I stated earlier.

| Beerberian | Day: 14

LcP; How's the hitchhikers guide to "The Cape" coming along :) legalise/decriminalise heads/tails two sides same coin ?(krugerrand mebbe?) what's the ex rate btw, AND most imp how much for a large \_/ hic ?

| Jake | Day: 14

Bluz... Your CD is on the way, Jake...

| lcpaul | Day: 14

Mu Sir, pray tell - what's the difference between decriminalise and legalise?

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 14

Morphine for ME sufferers, arthiritis and Crones disease ? - Have some coffee Clas. Also try being brought up by alcoholic or drug addicted patents and avoiding them yourself as an adult.

THC has great possibilities as as medical drug - Plus it makes TVN sound even better than it is straight.

Each to their own

| Clas @ Work | Day: 13

¦ - just as I expected - the reason those Pot-Smokers are pimping those poor cancer-patients are in the Pot-smokers own inerest, nothing else, pure lobbyism.

If Morphine doesn't ease the pain, nothing will.

The focus and obsession with Cannabis is what it is, Mans fascination over Drugs.

Push F9, step back and look at the full screen preview, ¦!

---

I seriously don't think there's a gene in man that leeds him to alcohol or to the local pusher.

| oleander.....House at Mu Corner | Day: 13

RED WINGS!!!!! OH YEAH!!!!!

Ahh. Now I've got that out of my system....

Ask Mu Day! I third that. Polymath want a cracker? He can do it all.... Though, Mu, you know I disagree with you on the saving us from ourselves angle.

Re: trouble peeing: usually, if you remove your tongue from your cheek, it goes right away.

steveedan--bright moments! brilliant corners! you lucky dog! great story.

Re: drug schedules. They indeed are a legal construct based somewhat on medical considerations--i.e., their potential for abuse (not easily quantifiable medically); whether they have accepted medical uses (also difficult to determine in some cases, especially marijuana); where they fall on the safety/ harm spectrum (again not so easy to quantify); and their potential for dependence (as distinct from abuse. And addiction/ dependence can be less than straightforward). The verbiage in US law says that in Sched I, "the drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States," (as Clas notes about Sweden), not POTENTIAL use. Therefore it does leave open the possibility that a Sched I drug could prove medically useful. However, as Mu well knows, a plethora of peer-reviewed studies doth not evidence-based medicine make. One of the studies below, for example, suffers from smallstudyitis--65 subjects in a single study is not enough to prove performance deficits in spliffeurs. You need larger samples and replicability. If the chokehold on marijuana/ THC researchers were eased off a bit, we might have some actual useful data in several years.

The list of Sched I's is actually 80+ long and is (like the other classes) reviewed every year. It doesn't include every possible designer permutation of every drug, either, which would make the list staggering. It's interesting that the US schedules' gradations are along a spectrum of at least putative safety/ abuse potential/ medical use, while the UK one's divisions are not so clear to me--the last category is just benzos, and the other categories are made up of several types of drugs. This doesn't have any basis in addiction potential, really (the thinking about addiction potential has been changing, anyway). Another funny thing about US scheds is that with codeine and even opium, the concentration of drug puts it in different categories. There's even some opium in Schedule V! Canada has 8 schedules.

For a complete list of US scheds that's up to date, go to http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/schedules.htm

Guestbookism or multipostation is not listed in any schedule at present.

| | Day: 13

mu maybe you should check out a book called Acid Dreams and do a little research on LSD and give us a report on that.

| Robot | Day: 13

Imposter determined.

Bill.

Incorrect grammar, odd paragraph structure, poorly conceived humor.

25698689624678-94

| Robot | Day: 13

Imposter detected.

38907265-85

Imposter noted.

Proceed

459865-3596

| Robot | Day: 13

Did you guys happen to find a zero around here somewhere?
I dropped a zero and now I can't find it...Oh here it is!!

10100010010011000100100100001001000000100001000100101000010010

thank you.

| Jimbo | Day: 13

For anyone thinking about the upcoming Newport Jazz Festival, Chris Potter will be there, performing with Dave Holland on August 10th.

| Jimbo | Day: 13

SteveeDan- You lucky, you. I can hardly believe you met Bob Sheppard and and the luscious Victoria Cave. You are the luckiest man on the face of this earth, kiddo. ;) Too bad you didn't ask for a kiss from her. :)

StAl- Hey, only when Tiger steps on the course does a golf game get exciting. That way once he's gaining ground, it's always fun just to watch the other players, especially Mickelson crack. Personally, I'd like
a duel between Tiger and John Daly, but who knows.

CREEPER ALERT--VH1 on sunday will broadcast an episode of Ultimate Albums.
This sunday, it's......Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP. That's the one that
got it's ass kicked by our terrible twos, Donald and Walter. I thought VH1 was smarter than that. Probably gonna be some smart assed remarks about 2VN.

VH1 owes us one now. How about AJA. I, of course will not be watching on sunday, I'll instead turn to WDUQ 90.5 fm in Pittsburgh, PA for some good jazz. Either that, or Alias.

Gotta go to bed now, waking up early to watch Bowie on the Today show.
See Ya!

| ╡ | Day: 13

answers:

Molly: Uptown, baby

Duncan: Uptown baby (8 track mix)

St. Al: ouch... yeah, that's uptown baby...

| angel | Day: 13

St. Al: Echoing Molly. Definitly Bladder. Get it checked.

Molly: Clothes were definitly on my man.... :-)

| Mistress of Mayhem.................. | Day: 13

Hi everyone! Ask Mu day.........yes I like it :)
St.Al, better see a Physician! Sounds like a bladder infection to me....Agree with you about watching golf. Went to a jazz drum recital in my younger days, it was about as much fun....lol lol
BB, the only thing on the farm like the scene you described was our games of touch football. My Brothers,me and our friends would play pretty often. But in Kentucky the real religion is basketball....I will forgive you for your lack of interest for the time being.
lcpaul, you have no excuse! Hi is the best you can do? No wonder Gwen won't be true..... lol lol
Wild Bill and Angel, you know I've had that blimp things hovering as well! I thought that it was because I was tanning sans bathing suit top....lol lol. Bill I happen to have a good friend that's a Psychiatrist..ya know in case you ever need one....lol lol

| Wheez onez Peeeee Ink | Day: 13

Ayen Jel, I got yots of prblemz and i knead a fee ssah key a tryst. But in the meantime, tonight in Santa Monica four artists who are appearing on my upcoming "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" compilation CD will be appearing live. Sally Semrad (who does Wish You Were Here and who has been featured on NPR's All Things Considered and KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic), Yortoise (who are Sally's backing band and the masterminds behind Stanely Recordings and who will do Money for A Fair Forgery), Tom Freund (who, rumour has it, was on the Craig Kilborn show Tuesday night playing bass for Graham Parker and who played in Ben Harper's band when the both of them were in college and who has recorded a Fair Forgery of Fearless) and 50 Cent Haircut (who will be contributing "Breathe" to our forged collection and who sound a bit like the Kinks/Donovan meets Wilco) will grace the stage at 14 Below (14th & Santa Monica) starting at 8:30 p.m. So if you are the type that says "the hell with tribute bands, let's hear some original music," come out tonight for this truly fine lineup. Oh, and I'll be there buying "drinks, for all my friends, fuel for the fire . . ."

| Atlantis Mu-reset | Day: 13

I find it ironic that our Swedish "anti-pot czar" is in fact a practicing alcoholic himself. Kettle, meet your "pot"...

| StAl | Day: 13

Ask Mu day... snicker...

I like it. What do you think Mu?

Why does it hurt when I pee?

StAl

| Duncan | Day: 13

Bill: Linda's a teacher...

She's on the ceiling at the moment...Boiling.

Please arrange to have her removed from there before the weekend actually starts.

Linda say's ''wibble''

| Duncan | Day: 13

I've been gardening for the last 3 hours & I've come to the conclusion Mu's the smartest bloke here.
1, seems to know everything
2, Or has the most free time.

I think from now on every Thursday should be a ''ask Mu'' day.

Q,1 Mu the term ''monkey on my back'' what does that mean
(Led Gardening) ''The way forward i think you'll agree

| ╡ - life is short and quid pro quo | Day: 13

I paid $2600/annum in property taxes for a brick, 3 bedroom home in a sleepy neighborhood next to the elementary school...but then edyukashun in Texas pays half the salary of an NYC officer...

| angel | Day: 13

Uh, make that 3 times as much property tax.... Yikes!

Hey Pink one....got a problem?

| Mike Dollins | Day: 13

Cool site. Does Steely Dan still list to Horace Silver?

| Wheeeesh Wonz Peeeeeenk | Day: 13

aNZGEL eeye knead of grink

| Bill | Day: 13

Pat,

Long Island policeman start at $43K for the first 18 months,
then $70K+ after that, then $106K after 5 years I believe.
With overtime many of them are making upwards of $150K per
year. With 20 year retirement at half salary (half of the highest
salary achieved including overtime) plus full medical benefits
for life, it's a pretty good gig.

Our teachers have it made (no matter what they say...)
Thier salaries rival the salaries of the police and they have
a very strong union. Actually, the fact that they get 4 months
vacation every year probably makes thier gig the best. If I was
starting over I'd seriously consider becoming a teacher. Just
look what Don is missing out on. LOL!

Property taxes are high here. A regular 4 bedroom house like mine
is good for $6500 to $8500 a year, and this house is nothing
special. Business property taxes are worse. My friend Jim owns
an auto repair shop across town and pays a little over $60K a
year in property tax. Everything is relative I guess. You can
make a lot of money in New York but it costs alot of money to
live here too. It's the same as most big metropolitan areas I
suppose. San Francisco may be worse.

| angel | Day: 13

St. Al: All I can tell you is that it is something like double what I pay in California (the Prop 13 State). Very high taxes in NY.

| Fingers & Co | Day: 13

BEERBERIAN (and Morag?)
South Africa? You lucky bugger...AND a meet up with lcpaul...jealous indeed!
Thanks for your contribution to the grand 15,000..never thought we'd make a 100 in the beginning!!! Saturday's gona be frantic but let's hope we can mellow out the stresses with some good 'Dan for ya at York...be great to see you again.

DUNCAN (and Linda?), DANO
York?...YES....meet up with Beerberian and Dano (or are you away THIS weekend DANO?). Be an extra special swallie if the whole crew could make it.We got THE man...Glynn Davies with us on Saturday......Carlton schmarlton.!!!!

| StAlphonzo | Day: 13

Angel: Mowing the lawn or watching (mostly) white guys chasing a little white ball around a lawn is about the same...zzzzzzzzz. Though I do enjoy playing golf, watching it on TV is painful.

Mu: Can always count on you to back up your argument with facts. Better than the emotional rhetoric, which most of the anti-marijuana camps seems to be so firmly stuck in (CLAS). Reminds me of other controversial topics like the death penalty and abortion. Though I'm NOT suggesting we go there...

Bill: I'm thinking Walt and Don have already warned Tiger about you. But $106,000 for a police officer? Are you sure? How much do your teachers make? What's your property tax like? Damn....

Stevee: Sounds like fun. Would have loved to have been there.

| pardon.. | Day: 13

that should be, Jean Paul Belmondo.

| Bill | Day: 13

Angel,

That darned Fuji blimp is constantly buzzing my house with these
two guys looking down at me with big grins on thier faces. One
of the guys is wearing dark sunglasses and looks a little like
Jean Claud Belmondo...

"My Sweetness",

Are you saying that Tiger Woods might NOT come over and help me
with this deck? Man I hope not...Tiger is usually a man of his
word. Even if he never exactly gave his word I still trust him
to keep it.

| angel | Day: 13

Hey Bill, do you have any blimps hovering over your deck? :-)

We had the PGA tour in town a few years ago and my husband swears the blimp, out of sheer boredom, was watching him mow the lawn....

| ╡ - seminar is open | Day: 13

Assignment grades: Howard & Beerberian: A

Good research. Prolonged use CAN affect brain waves and cognition, though the impact may or may not be permanent. Many have used Paul McCartney+s solo career as a marker of the permanent effects of THC+
It would be difficult to tell if the Brixton Experiment really works unless nationwide
The classification of cannibis as a Class B drug with codeine and amphetamines makes a lot more sense
Warning and confiscation for possession is reasonable..
It was interesting to note that in England 70% of drug arrest were for cannibis.

Clas: D-

As usual Clas, you bring me nothing to the table except opinion and misinformation. Did Pompe eat your homework?

(1) The real reason for marijuana+s Schedule I continued classification is that the following drugs

Schedule I
LSD
heroin
mescaline
marijuana

were a staple of the 60s counterculture (not that I+m a big fan) - classification by congress. Clearly LSD, heroin, and mescaline belong there.

(2) Marijuana has no potential medical benefits? Pick up last year+s papers, dude? A MEDLINE search (a computer search engine used nationwide for over 30 years to find research articles pertaining to biomedical research articles) revealed 100 "hits" for the term "medical marijuana" meaning that there are 100 published peer-review scientific articles on this subject! Plugging in tetrahydrocannabinol, THC, cannibis, or marijuana results in 1949 "hits" in the past 6 years of research.

It is now being tested in cancer and AIDS patients with an answer within 5 years. The objective will be to use the active ingredient THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol in a non-smoking form). Research and funding are difficult since pot is a Schedule 1 drug (source: Grinspoon L.
Institution Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA. lester_grinspoon@hms.harvard.edu
Title The future of medical marijuana.
Journal Forschende Komplementarmedizin. 6 Suppl 3:40-3, 1999 Oct.

Smoking marijuana is not a testable substance outside FDA supervision from seed to pipe or injection because of toxins, pestacides, and variation in THC concentration (source: Marmor JB. Medical marijuana. [Review] [21 refs] [Journal Article. Review. Review, Tutorial] Western Journal of Medicine. 168(6):540-3, 1998 Jun.
UI: 9656007

Research progress, and the need for more is outlined here:

Authors
Rosenthal MS. Kleber HD.
Institution
Phoenix House Foundation, New York, USA.
Title
Making sense of medical marijuana. [Review] [14 refs]
Source
Proceedings of the Association of American Physicians. 111(2):159-65, 1999 Mar-Apr.
Abstract
The case for marijuana's medical use is primarily from anecdotal clinical reports, human studies of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, and animal studies on constituent compounds. The authors believe that while a key policy issue is to keep marijuana out of the hands of children, its use for medicinal purposes should be resolved by scientific research and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) review. Weighed against possible benefits are increased risks such as cancer, pulmonary problems, damage to the immune system, and unacceptable psychological effects. More study is needed to determine the efficacy of marijuana as an antiemetic for cancer patients, as an appetite stimulant for AIDS and cancer patients, as a treatment for neuropathic pain, and as an antispasmodic for multiple sclerosis patients. If this new research shows marijuana to have important medical uses, FDA approval could be sought. However, the better response is accelerated development of delivery systems other than smoking for key ingredients, as well as the identification of targeted molecules that deliver beneficial effects without intoxicating effects. If the National Institutes of Health conducts research on marijuana, we would propose parallel trials on those indications under careful controls making marijuana available to appropriate patients who fail to benefit from standard existing treatments. This effort would begin after efficacy trials and sunset no later than 5 years. If this open-trial mechanism is adopted, the compassion that Americans feel for seriously ill individuals would have an appropriate medical/scientific outlet and not need to rely on referenda that can confuse adolescents by disseminating misleading information about marijuana effects. [References: 14]

(3) England+s Drug Classifications are NOT the same for marijuana/cannibis as the US. It is classified on a 3 tier scale equivalent more like Schedule III drug in the US than a Class I

(4) No, TAR is NOT addictive, though dangerous to the lungs, it+s the NICOTINE in cigarettes, and to a much lesser effect THC in marijuana

(5) DWI laws restricts use of automobiles, buses, trucks etc. while under the influence of Xanaz, marijuana, or alcohol. Isn+t there a label that emplores you not to use heavy machinery or COMPUTERS?

***(6) It is the prime directive of the U.S. Federal government to protect its citizens against terrorists and criminals, not themselves***.

Clas, if you had done ANY research, there are a number of arguments which you could have easily backed with published peer-reviewed literature AGAINST legalization of marijuana (it still should be decriminalized which is my original point - see above). Again, you+ve failed at the ability to make a rational case or to develop a logical base - here, I+ll do it for you:

(a) while the tar (toxins, hydrocarbons, gum, nitrates, carbon monoxide etc) in marijuana does NOT cause addiction, they do contribute to emphysema, lung cancer, and heart disease (to be consistent, ban cigarettes) source: (McPartland JM. Pruitt PL.
Institution
Vermont Alternative Medicine in Middlebury, USA.
Title
Medical marijuana and its use by the immunocompromised. [Review] [101 refs]
Source
Alternative Therapies in Health & Medicine. 3(3):39-45, 1997 May

Also: http://www.fmr.no/eng/ecad-medicine.html

(b) marijuana (THC) can flatten out brain waves and reduce cognitive ability and IQ which is dose-dependent, but reversible.. (Sources: any Cheech and Chong movie; Paul McCartney, research articles (111 hits) including Authors
Fried P. Watkinson B. James D. Gray R.
Institution
Department of Psychology, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ont. peter_fried@carleton.ca
Title
Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults.
Source
CMAJ: Canadian Medical Association Journal. 166(7):887-91, 2002 Apr 2)
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Assessing marijuana's impact on intelligence quotient (IQ) has been hampered by a lack of evaluation of subjects before they begin to use this substance. Using data from a group of young people whom we have been following since birth, we examined IQ scores before, during and after cessation of regular marijuana use to determine any impact of the drug on this measure of cognitive function. METHODS: We determined marijuana use for seventy 17- to 20-year-olds through self-reporting and urinalysis. IQ difference scores were calculated by subtracting each person's IQ score at 9-12 years (before initiation of drug use) from his or her score at 17-20 years. We then compared the difference in IQ scores of current heavy users (at least 5 joints per week), current light users (less than 5 joints per week), former users (who had not smoked regularly for at least 3 months) and non-users (who never smoked more than once per week and no smoking in the past two weeks). RESULTS: Current marijuana use was significantly correlated (p < 0.05) in a dose-related fashion with a decline in IQ over the ages studied. The comparison of the IQ difference scores showed an average decrease of 4.1 points in current heavy users (p < 0.05) compared to gains in IQ points for light current users (5.8), former users (3.5) and non-users (2.6). INTERPRETATION: Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.

Preliminary data show that THC can cause neurons (brain cells) to commit suicide (apoptosis) source: Downer E. Boland B. Fogarty M. Campbell V.
Institution
Department of Physiology, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
Title
Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol induces the apoptotic pathway in cultured cortical neurones via activation of the CB1 receptor.
Source
NeuroReport. 12(18):3973-8, 2001 Dec 21

( c ) Despite many anecdotal claims and limited research (http://www.mpp.org/medicine.html), the evidence for medical use marijuana is not strong for increasing appetite and reducing nausea in AIDS or cancer patients (though it is strong for healthy people with tortilla chips nearby) or glaucoma, There is also a risk of toxicity, especially in the smoked form source: Watson SJ. Benson JA Jr. Joy JE. Marijuana and medicine: assessing the science base: a summary of the 1999 Institute of Medicine report Archives of General Psychiatry. 57(6):547-52, 2000 Jun. .

(d) marijuana use increases the physiological reactions to cocaine and heroin. In otherwords, combining pot with harder drugs is dangerous Lamarque S. Taghzouti K. Simon H.
Institution
Laboratoire de Neuropsychobiologie des Desadaptations, Universite Victor Segalen Bordeaux 2, CNRS UMR 5541, BP 31, 146, rue Leo Saignat, 33076 Bordeaux Cedex, France.
Title
Chronic treatment with Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol enhances the locomotor response to amphetamine and heroin. Implications for vulnerability to drug addiction.
Source
Neuropharmacology. 41(1):118-29, 2001 Jul

In short, Clas, doing the research you failed to do indicates: (1) further research into medical use of THC, but not marijuana in smoked form, in AIDS and cancer patients is needed (2) there is enough and persistent toxicological evidence to refrain from legalization in healthy adults or children.

| Whatevah happens | Day: 13

Steveedan, actually Sheppard was not on the '96 tour, but he was on the others.

| Bill my sweetness ! | Day: 13

You must stop telling others about your imaginary conversations with famous people.... It sounds as if you are delusional rather then just eccentric. Ya know they put people in the loonybin for less :)...

| Beerberian | Day: 13

LCP; Excellent news - mail to steelyd@talk21.com please, I watched your boys put up a decent fight yesterday, nothin' to be ashamed of - unlike les bleus !! Saturday now lookin' like a Top Totty day - Footie then DSO avec beaucoup des bieres - encroyable et magnifique n'est ce pas ?

| lcpaul | Day: 13

Beerberian - glad to oblige mate. I'll do a bit of digging for some good stuff about this country. You might want to send me your e-mail so we don't bore the majority of guestbookers. As for your timing, you COULD NOT pick a better time than March/April. That's when Cape Town's at its absolute finest. And if you haven't been here before, boy have you got a treat in store for you. Be good to meet you and the Mrs too.

Hey Molly, what's happening girl?

Steveedan - thanks for the dope bro. Seeing's I've never seen or heard Steely Dan live (bummer), that kind of explains the ignorance. Or does it?

Don't fail to miss next week's exciting episode.

Love from Afrique du Sud

South Africa out of the World Cup yesterday.

| Bill | Day: 13

Well here it is, day 1 of the U.S. Open Golf Classic right here in
little old Bethpage, Long Island. So far I haven't heard from
Tiger Woods. I left a note for him at the hardware store. Maybe
he'll stop by and give me a hand building this deck between rounds.
I basically told him that I could'nt any help out of Don or Walt
cuz' everytime they hear the term "work" they head in the other
direction.

I'll wait until later to go looking for Tiger. Right now the town
is swarming with New York State Troopers. It's nice to actually
see a cop though, I had forgotten what they look like. Most of
ours are usually watching tv back at the precinct or hiding behind
the local fire department. I can't blame them though, for
$106,000 dollars a year I would'nt be too enthusiastic about my
job either.

Well if I'm going to win this U.S. Open thing I better start
practicing...which club is the putter?

| Howard | Day: 13

I'm coming late to the drugs discussion, but here are a few thoughts:

The medical use of cannabis is still an evolving story. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that until very recently in the UK, nobody did any controlled scientific studies to assess the potential use of cannabis as medication. If you don't test it, you don't find out! (which was fine for a government that wanted to preserve the staus quo.)
In the last few years, people are at least doing some proper research (in the UK) into the potential use of cannabis as a pain reliever, or for MS-related symptoms.

The Brixton experiment has been in the headlines recently, but it's maybe a lesser known fact that in many parts of the UK, posession of small amounts of cannabis will get you a caution from the police and nothing more. IMHO this is the right way for the police to go. Perhaps I'm lucky to live in the UK, where it seems we have a more realistic approach to the problem than in the US.

A good source of facts on this debate can be found at the New Scientist site: http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/

I think more people need to look at this with an open mind, and try to overcome years of misguided and perhaps misleading propoganda. It's a complex issue, and there are no easy answers, but I for one think the way things are done at the moment can certainly be improved.

Howard

| Beerberian | Day: 13

C; Can't comment ... I live way out of the smoke BUT I (said he NOT commenting) suppose the refocus of Mr Plod onto less trivial arrests ought to help ?? I assume you're d.o.c is caffeine WHEN DO YOU SLEEP MAN !!!

| C | Day: 13

Beerb - so the interesting part of this Brix Exp is; will it lower the crimes?

| Beerberian | Day: 13

Dunc; Hate it when the W word get's in the way .....My Drug of choice remains Cold & Wet and comes in pints (no elephant jokes please)

| Duncan | Day: 13

Cheers Beers
Got sidetracked by some work...I hate that

| Beerberian | Day: 13

C; Brixton Exper. = A controversial pilot scheme where those caught in possession of small amounts of cannabis are no longer arrested or cautioned. Instead, they are given a verbal warning, the drugs are confiscated and they are sent on their way.

The radical policy is credited with freeing up hundreds of hours of police time and allowing them to concentrate on more serious crime.An internal review conducted by senior officers at Scotland Yard concluded that over the first six months of the scheme, 1,400 man hours were freed up. The number of seizures of cannabis rose by a third while seizures of class A drugs rose by19 per cent.

While the number of man hours liberated is seen as proof of the policy's partial success, the increase in seizures has left analysts wondering if more dealers and buyers and coming into the area. The number of arrests for dealing has remained constant but those figures no longer include those picked up for small amounts of cannabis. In the six months before the scheme, 278 arrests for possession were made. In the six months that followed, more than 400 warnings for possession were issued. For many, this is proof positive that the area is now a magnet for drug buyers across London.

When he first devised the policy, Commander Brian Paddick admitted that some people would see Brixton as the place to come and buy drugs. He hoped to put them off by driving home the message that thanks to a confiscation policy, they might not be able to leave with them. Either the mes sage has fallen on deaf ears or users feel it is worth the risk, particularly as all they have to fear is a formal warning.

Don't know if final review of "The Experiment" has happened now tho' ??

| Poppy Straw - | Day: 13

- sounds cool. What's that?

| Beerberian | Day: 13

Moll ; Hi sorry HB ......I'm distracted @ moment by 11 grown men chasing an inflated pig's bladder around a faraway field LOL Sounds like a normal day on your dad's farm ?????

LcP ; I'm thinkin of taking Mrs B to Cape Town and locale next March/April 2003 - Wed Anniv (20 years - I was a child bride) a few Q's if I may;
1/ Is climate OK @ that time ?
2/ Suggestions for places to visit?
3/ Know best Safari loc ?
If you could mail me anything on above I'd be internally grateful ta !

Anybody playing Van T'Man's latest "Down the Road" ...... "Georgia on my mind" - great new slant on that one ! Soul, Jazz, Blues and dash of Folk - pigeon hole that if you can ! One of the best ever gigs EVER seen - July 1995 Killyleigh Castle NI, Red Hot Summers day, Ice Cold Blackstuff, Ruined castle backdrop, AND Van belting out his best, Georgie Fame on keys & all 12 of the Celtic Soul Orch (Have a soft spot for 12 pcs - DSO of course. York soooo good they only named it once)

| C | Day: 13

Duncan - interesting to see the UK-classes. USA's and Sweden's are pretty much the same.

What is the Brixton Experiment?

| Duncan | Day: 13

Only 3 classes in the UK, As opposed to the 5 Schedule's in the US.
I was very surprised to find out the law's here have not been updated since 1974.
I'm trying to find the crime figures for Brixton as they had a 6 month experiment there this year.

So here we go...

Class A
Acetorphine
Coco Leaf
Cocaine
Diamorphine
Dipipanone
Hydrocodone
Hydroxypethidine
Lydergamide
Lysergide
Methadone
Morphine
Normethadone
Opium
Pethadine
Poppy Straw
Sufenatil
Thebaine
Trimeperidine
4-Methyl-aminorex

Class B
Acetyldihydrocodeine
Amphetamine
Cannabis
Cannabis Resin
Dihydrocodeine
Methylamphetamine
Nicocodeine
Barbiturates

Class C
Clonazepam
Diazepam
Flurazepam
Lorazepam
Nitrazepam
Oxazepam
Temazepam
Triazolam

| C | Day: 12

¦ - ôIn my *opinion*, MJ or THC should be a Schedule IV (with Xanax) or Schedule III (with codeine) drug.ö

Of course, opinions, yes, but if we are talking how it IS, an WHY;

Cannabis and Heroin are classified as a Scheduled I drug because of their lack of being a medication. Nothing else.

Heroin and Morphine are the same stuff, we don't need a fifth wheel under the wagon, do we?

The term "Misclassification" is not right.

| C @ W | Day: 12

IcPaul - great view uh? Zebras - wow! I have been to Africa once, far from you though, Gambia, hmmm, don't remember much.

Good weed though. And remembering walking miles for some Cocos-wine, that was bad...

---

¦ - the reason Cannabis and Heroin are classified under nr 1 are; there are no medical reasons whatsoever having the drugs in society. Amphetamin are used as medication, so are Morphine, theirfor they come as nr 2. And drugs under nr 3 are also used as medication, codeine and so.

Nr 4 and 5 are the regular Bensodiazepines (Xanax, Valium, Librium, Rohypnol etc) and other medications as Stilnoct and other sleepingpills.

So the reason Marijuana is classified under nr 1 is simple; society (as we know it) have no use for Pot in any medical ways. It's not COMPARED to Heroine (as a dangerous, addictive drug).

AND more; the use of Cannabis is not that innocent; it's a possible cause for psychosis, the large amount of Tar makes it physical addictive.

AND for the mind altering stuff, it causes car accidents, suicide, depressions... do you wanna have your kids on the streets with stoned cardrivers at large? (sorry Lisa, New Orleans was great, no pun)

So, where the hell is my Xanax?

| angel . . . . . . . .Sorry Lisa G | Day: 12

Lakers Win again! Somehow, it doesn't feel the same, with the team out of town....

W1P Came to visit me today. It is the first time I have ever seen him during the day and sober, to boot. (I'll rise when the sun goes down....) :-)

Yeah Sammy, the Dapper Don is dead....

| SammyDBull | Day: 12

Aye Whutz up!

Eye jest hoid dat mye old bawse John Gotti bit duh dust yestiddy,
end eye hav ben calt apon to yoolajize him, so hear it goez...

John Gotti wuz a pritty goode bawse, he let me whack ennybody dat
eye wantid 2. Wee kilt alotta peepul end stowl alotta monney togedda
end generilly had a goode tyme. In dee end eye wuz fawst to fuk him
up butt datz lyfe in duh bigg citty y'no. Inn cuncloosion, eye
wood juzt lyke 2 saye dat John wuz a goode guy whenn he wuz'nt
actin lyke duh d-genarit gambla dat hee wuz, end eye wyl mis
him alott. I wyll tink ov him evy tyme eye whak sumbuddy faw not
payin' up.

Tank U,
SammyDBull

| Mummy | Day: 12

I resemble that!

| The Design Police | Day: 12

There is nothing classy about gauze...

Meooowwwwww...

LOL

| Steveedan | Day: 12

Hi Aja - Great to hear from you directly. I hope all is well with you. That surprise sighting was a real kick, let me tell you. These guys played some heavy "straight-ahead" jazz and it was awesome.

(Victoria was wearing a brown and beige print skirt, tan boots, and a gause-type cotten wrap top. She looked delightful. Very classy lady.)

W1P - Thanks buddy. Check your e-mail for my response to you. Say hello to Mrs. and Baby Pink.

Steveedan

| W1P | Day: 12

Steevedan's story reminds me of two things. First, W1P once played a book signing party for Storm Thorgerson (he of "Hipgnosis" fame, Pink Floyd album art) and during our set Alan Parsons walked up to the sound booth and expressed the opinion that we sounded as good on Dark Side as the original he recorded more than 20 years earlier! Second, one time we got a series of e-mails telling us that a "surprise" guest would be showing up at one of our House of Blues shows -- we were all giddy trying to guess whether we'd have David Gilmour show up to sit in -- but it never happened and in fact NOTHING out of the ordinary happened at that show.

| Aja...............SSDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Day: 12

Steveedan-what a great story. If any members/performers with Steely Dan are reading this, yes, we do have lives........

According to the Becker & Fagen interview I heard a while back, "Aja" was the girlfriend of a friend of Becker's (or Fagen's, can't remember) and that was her real name. I may name my daughter Aja, if I ever settle down long enough to have her.

Is it really only Wednesday? 14 mos. on the job so far, definitely time for a change........

Aja

| Chips | Day: 12

Yes, Angel, *sniff* I know, I have had my ticket to the show encased in glass...

| angel | Day: 12

Steveedan: A fine piece of work. As LP said, I too just couldn't read it fast enough. What bothers me though is that I saw no write up on Bob Shepard playing in LA at all. Nothing in the LA Weekly that I could find. So I went back to double check this morning and still nothing. I did find a website for Rocco's (posted as a link up above). I will have to keep an eye out on this place. You just never know....

Chips: While reading the Weekly again today, I saw that Dee Dee was supposed to play this past week, somewhere in LA. Sigh....

| June | Day: 12

Is this where you pretend to be the Fuller Brush salesman and I let you in?

Sure, I'm game...

LOL!!!!

| Duncan | Day: 12

Fingers: you still playing Sat ?
12.30 kick off Could be a long day

| Aussie | Day: 12

June: Is it hairbrush time?

xox
Ward

| June | Day: 12

Oh Ward, you cad!

| Aussie | Day: 12

Steevedan: Great run-in, thank you for sharing. Do you remember what Vickie was drinking (Jack on the rocks is usual) and was she smoking cigarettes. Also (for the vicarious benefit of the wunderworm) what was she wearing? Thanks.

Aus

| Steveedan | Day: 12

Thank yous to all who posted nice things about my experience last night. I did expect a little flaming (because I am sure that I sounded like a kid meeting some huge rock star ...), but I was so flabbergasted to have stumbled into that bar and then was told who was there. Handed to Yannis and me on a silver platter it was ...

lcpaul - Bob Sheppard is a world class saxaphone player. He has been on every Steely Dan tour since 1993. He does much more than just tour with the Dan. He also has a new CD. That is why he is hitting various clubs in LA right now.

Victoria Cave is an excellent backing vocalist. She toured with Steely Dan on their most recent tour in 2000. She can be seen on the Plush DVD/Video which was made from their in-studio concert at the Sony studios in New York in January 2000, just prior to the release of their Two Against Nature CD.

Hi Duncan - I am sorry but I didn't have any recording equipment with me, but if I did, considering that there were only a half a dozen of us sitting at the stage with the quartet, I think it would be considered a bit uncool to whip out a minidisk recorder and set up shop. But thanks for asking.

Bob Sheppard has a website: www.bobsheppard.net . There is a lot of information there.

I am still in abject disbelief. Have a great day everyone.

Steveedan

| Dano | Day: 12

Steeve , That was a great story mate ,i couldnt wait to read it to quick,they only come along so often and glad you had a good night mate.

Duncan , Good draw for Eng er land now could sneek to the semis mate,Have a dooser of a weekend with the boys.Muellered or what!!

Where has all the lassies gone lately , Cyn ,Elle ,cara mia (hubba hubba)and juju , c"mon ladies check in on the yellow.

YGK , Have been on the wunderground ,that Puerto Rican Girlfriend is the one you met at the Festival right!!Good stuff Malc.

Anyone heard any details on "Gangs Of New York" yet!!Is it out over there and what about the scoop on the film , if anyone can help me out i would appreciate it!!

Playing Golf with a couple of mates last night had Aja on in the jam jar , and both commented it was really nice??Its the same friggin band as Countdown , yeah but we dont like that fast shit they reply??My favourite album for 30 years and no they blow it out the water with shit like that, friends who needs them....Pain in the arse!!

Duncan, Fingers, off to Wedding and then down for Royal Ascot , if i have any wedge left could meet up for next outing to see Danny Steel , whats the gig lowdown!!

Regards Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano.

| Molly | Day: 12

Hello gang, I hope you all are well...It's still very hot and humid here in the Bluegrass State. I love the lusciousness of Summer.
Stevee, What a great experience that must have been! Thanks for sharing. Kiss your son for me, and tell the Mrs. Hi!
lcpaul, glad you're doing better. I remember 19. Everything is shiny and new. I thought I had the world by the butt. Didn't want to listen to anyone older. I thought they were the ones who had f**ked up our world so much..lol Any time my parents or an older relative tried to give me advice, I'd think about their personal foibles.....and dismiss whatever they said. Ah yes, it's a lovely age....lol lol. Try to do something fun. Sometimes one just needs some merriment to get back to them selves. As for the bitterness and insults that abounds here in GB, you just gotta let the negative stuff roll on by babe....Tell me what you're listening to these days if you get a chance.
YGK, looking forward to hearing your music....Have fun in Florida. Try to keep Dave straight...lol
Aus, loved your story about meeting my favorite songwriter...nice talking.
Jack! my favorite nephew ;sorry I couldn't talk the other day. My brother was IMing me. Since the time zones are so different, we have a difficult time keeping in touch. Talk soon? !!!
Mick, sending you a wink and a smile...
Duncan, good talking to you. Had I not wanted to answer your questions, I would have told you so.... Tell your family hello for me.
BB, no word from you since my peaches declaration.... did I scare you big guy? : )
well i'm off to work on my lily pond... we have so much excitement here in Hooterville...
Be peaceful and loving M.

| ╡ | Day: 12

I mean *belongs* with Schedule IV or perhaps Schedule III, but so does alcohol - I would decriminalize pot...

| ╡ | Day: 12

For background information, here are some examples of classification of drugs. Schedule I drugs have the most restrictions - physicians are not allowed to prescribe them under federal law - that is why medical marijuana is controversial - you would think Ashcroft has other pressing matters at this time: Schedule V drugs are the least restricted under DEA...

Schedule I
LSD
heroin
mescaline
marijuana

Schedule II
cocaine
methadone
amphetamines
morphine

Schedule III
codeine (non-cough prep)
anabolic steroids
ethylmorphine
secobarbital

Schedule IV
phenobarbital
alprazolam (Xanax)
flurazepam
phenterrmine
meprobamate

Schedule V
codeine (cough suppressant formula)
buprenorphine

Hmmmm...let's see. Which one doesn't belong????

In my *opinion*, MJ or THC should be a Schedule IV (with Xanax) or Schedule III (with codeine) drug

| ╡ | Day: 12

Congress, making a rational decision on their own? without politics? ROFLMAO

| Bill | Day: 12

Steveedan,

Excellent story! If anyone deserves an experience like that it's you.

I just have one question though. On the official Dan site, it says;
"For fun, Victoria plays piano, her alto, and occasionally ice
skates for money". Now I see why Steely Dan did a summer tour,
they were waiting for Victoria to finish her ice skating gig.

It all makes sense now...

| lcpaul | Day: 12

Clas - let's face it, neither of us are sure how much time he served. It just seems to me that he was in and out in a flash. And I think rape sits next to murder in terms of letting the punishment fit the crime. I suspect dollars changed hands (not Don King surely). I also think biting Hollyfield's ear should've seen him banned from the sport. He can go back to WWF where he belongs, s'far as I'm concerned.

Hey, winter's cool in Cape Town (no pun intended). It's our wet season, so everything's verdant, not too cold, high about 14C today, down to about 7 or 8C tonight. Driving past the mountain a while ago I spotted Zebra and Wildebeest, huge container ships on the water, a sheltering, ominous sky, with patches of bright, golden puffs of cloud.

Sometimes, life in Africa is good.

Incidentally, isn't a Swede a kind of turnip?:>

Steveedan - nice post, and this might sound stupid, but who are the people you described? Obviously played with our boys, but please elaborate.

"Make love not war."

| Clas | Day: 12

Okay ¦, I get back tomorrow, got to get home to the fucking dog.

I'll check out some books and stuff.

But if ôCongress, unfortunately determines classificationö, they must have had some reports and stuff to justify their decision? Not just out of the blue?

And cherry-picking, I just wondered, StAl and other tax-whiners are saying that the jails are full of innocent pot-smokers... I can't believe that is how it REALLY is.

How much do you have to carry to spend time?

| ╡ | Day: 12

Clas: To make the Schedule I drug argument, you're going to have to back it up with some pharmacology and citings from the literature. This isn't art - we're dealing with testable phenomena...Congress, unfortunately determines classification - DEA just follows orders...

Jails are full of drug possession offenders of all types - thought I made that clear - nice try with the cherry picking...

wormy - so w is someone else? Sorry, saw a w post just after yours - thought it was a new perMUtation... Remember when CDs came on the scene, you could buy an LP at a discount place for $4.99 or 5.99?

| Duncan | Day: 12

Way to go Steevee...
Sounds like you had a blast.
Did you record the show ? I'll have a cdr copy off you LOL

| Beerberian | Day: 12

FINGERS; Congrats ..u just topped 15000 hits !!!!! "Such is the lot of a rock god...ha!!!!" LOL lookin forward to w/e even if it's is gettin' v complicated logistically - What with Mothers/Babysitters/Children/Friends to coordinate AND 12:30 footie matches on BOTH Sat and Sun Oh my oh my ......Just takin' a trip "Down the Road" with Van THE Man ...back to his earthy best after that pants honky tonk last CD offering !!!

| Clas @ Work | Day: 12

IcPaul - I don't know exactly how long time he served, but I assume he was judged and convicted according to US laws.

And when you've done your time you're a free man. Isn't that the point with laws, prisons and stuff?

Hows the winter taking you, by the way, you Southern Man? How cold is it, do you do Celsius?

| wormy | Day: 12

steeveedan - what a nice night out
thanks for sharing your adventures

Dr Mu - w is not ~
I personally think out and out copying of cdr-s is a crime
but I also think an $14.99-18.99 list on a disc is only more so
then agian I grew up with Maxell UD XL II

anyone else like that last muted "ae you with me doctor" scream at the end of Dr WU?

| Jason | Day: 12

Nice One..

| lp | Day: 12

steveedan - whatta night - and you are a good story teller, i couldn't read it fast enough

yes, flame away

| Hutch | Day: 12

Steveedan - That's a great story. Unfortunately you've left yourself wide open for Clas to flame you for getting excited about meeting celebrities.

| Gone at Last | Day: 12

Surveillance:

Chris Noth has come back from Hong Kong to see Phoebe Snow peform tonight at his Chelsea club, The Cutting Room. Snow's set will be recorded for a live album and a DVD shot by famed documentarians D.A. Pennebaker ("Monterey Pop") and Chris Hegedus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-06-12/News_and_Views/Daily_Dish/a-154041.asp

| lcpaul | Day: 12

Clas - do you really think the amount of time served by Mr Tyson was appropriate to the heinous crime he committed? Really, shame on you.

| Steveedan | Day: 12

It's 1:45 AM in Los Angeles, and I am sitting here in total amazement. I don't believe it, I just don't belive it !!!

Earlier this evening, two Pretzel Logic band members and I went to a few clubs and bars in the valley to meet the bookers and hand out our CDs. We hit 4 places in the valley, the last one being the Baked Potato, and then our bass player, Jake Feldman (son of Victor Feldman) called it a night. One of our guitar players, named Ioannis (pronounced ee-yo-WA-nis) who comes from Greece ... let me tell you one interesting thing about Yannis (sometimes we call him Johnnie ...). He graduated last May from Berklee School of Music (in Boston, of course), and he was handed his diploma by the honorary Doctors Donald F., and Walter B. True Story.

Anyway, Yannis and I went to a couple clubs in Hollywood after Jake went home, and the final club we went to, called Rocco (on Santa Monica Blvd. near Vine), was very quiet. We stepped inside, met the owner of the club (Rocco was his name-o) and we took a look around. There were some musicians at the far end of the bar and maybe 5 patrons in the club. I said it was quiet. (Thanks to all for reading this set up, here comes the pay off ...)

So Rocco says to Yannis and me that he doesn't think that the musicians are going to play any longer. I launched in with my pitch about our Pretzel Logic Band, and handed Rocco one of our CDs. Then Rocco points to one of the musicians and says to us:

"That's Bob Sheppard over there."

I look at Yannis, certain that I am halucinating. Yannis is beaming from ear to ear. I said to Rocco "Excuse me, I must have heard you wrong. Did you say that THAT is Bob Sheppard over there ?!?" Rocco says yes.

I look at Yannis again, he is still beaming from ear to ear - Cheshire Cat, ate the bird, shit eating grinning at me ...

So I look in my satchel and I have one CD left. I march right up to Bob Sheppard and I say "Are you THE Bob Sheppard ?" Bob looks to his right (as if he is looking for THE Bob Sheppard himself) then back at me and says "Yep, it's me".

"Well then" I say, "this is for you" and I hand him the Pretzel Logic band CD. Then one of the other people who are with Bob turn to me and say as they point to a cute redheaded woman "That's Vickie Cave".

I said "What ?!?" as I look at Vickie Cave and I realize that it IS Vickie Cave, "Vickie Cave ! It is such a pleasure to meet you."

I asked Vickie if she knew of all the websites devoted to Steely Dan, and she said yes, and then as I was about to tell her about our beloved guest book, she said "Sign In Stranger".

I told her that Pat Beemer, who lives in Seattle, Washington, is the host and creator of the guest book. (There ya go St. Al !!) I told her that Pat chose his St. Al handle because he is a huge fan of Frank Zappa.

At this point, I introduce Yannis to Vickie and the others and say "I would like to introduce Yannis to you, he is one of our guitar players. He graduated Berklee last year and (as I look at Vickie) your employers handed him his diploma". Now Vickie is laughing. So I sat down next to her and she told me that she knew that there were a lot of Steely Dan tribute bands in existence. I told her that there are 4 in Southern California and that I have played with every one of them. Vickie is still laughing, I assume, because of the SD trib band cottage industry that seems to exist nowadays ...

Then I asked Vickie if she was familiar with The Steely Damned. At first she did not seem familiar, but then I mentioned to her that Pete Fogel booked TSD at Le Bar Bat during the week of the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony, and then she remembered TSD. She told me that she met one of the background vocalists, but did not remember who, and I described both Ruby and Peg to her. Vickie told me that she had met Peggy.

Bob came over and took our CD from Vickie for a moment and read the list of our musicians. Our other guitarist is Mark Chosak. Bob saw his name and said that he played on a CD for Mark. I told him that I remembered that Mark had told me that Bob had played on his CD.

All of the commotion that I caused seemed to inspire the musicians and they decided to play another set lasting around 45 minutes. It was a jazz quartet consisting of drums, acoustic bass, and two saxes. They played some amazing stuff. We were all sitting there, just about 4 feet away, and they were smoking !

I ran out to my car to get my Two Against Nature CD to get Bob and Vickie to sign it for me. I start to read the credits after every song on the CD and NEITHER BOB OR VICKIE PLAYED ON IT !!!

Oh well. I had them sign it anyway, explaining to them that if I had my Alive In America CD, or my Plush DVD with me ... well, you get the idea.

So Bob signed his name (very cool), and Vickie wrote in French: Make love not war (very very cool).

So we all sat together right in front of Bob's quartet and thoroughly enjoyed their performance.

As they were packing up their instruments, I mentioned to Bob that our bass player Jake is Victor Feldman's son. Bob said that he remembered Victor and played a number of dates with him.

This kind of thing never happens to me. I still cannot believe it.

It's now 2:20 in the morning. I should get some sleep. Anyone got a mallet ?

I-cannot-believe-ee-SteeveeDan

| C @ W | Day: 12

¦ - and you're saying marijuana has been misclassified by Congress as a Schedule I drug.

Misclassified? Who says that's a misclassification? You? StAl?

It's not addictiv as Heroin, no, but as far as I know, not completely harmless. Marijuana is a hallucinogenic drug, as LSD and funny mushrooms. There are well documented studies how a long-term use of pot takes its tool on the brain.

---

And nicotine yes, isn't it amazing what we people do even when we are actually dying of our drug?

I know alcoholics with cirrhosis, no bums, fairly well established in society, who can't quit the drinks, even when they know they are on the edge.

C, Associate Professor

| And where do you draw the line? | Day: 11

Marijuana - okay.

Hash - okay?

Hashoil - okay?

| Clas @ Work | Day: 11

IcePaul - Tyson spent time for his crime didn't he? That makes him a free man now, doesn't it?

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ôIndependent musiciansö? Isn't that an euphemism for musicians who can't get a record-deal?

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¦ - seriously, I don't know about that problem, "the pot-smokers makes the jail crowdyö, is that a fact?

I guess it takes more than a joint to end up in prison?

| ╡ | Day: 11

~: While I'm stirring the pot a bit and relied on some hyperbole for entertainment and argument sake, the impetus was The Removal of Internet Radio Stations...my logic comes from a model that money, like life and art, is NOT zero sum gain. There are a number of examples of this. Tax cuts in the early 1960s and early 1980s actually INCREASED Fed revenue acquisition...all advertising is based on this model. A little taste of the ware leads to excitement and desire for more by purchase. Pimps, drug dealers, and the Japanese flood the market chip and technology schemes work on this model. Be very careful of correlational science - otherwise the Rooster would be the most powerful beast on earth...Both of the following premises would have to be true for the Rooster to be the king of beasts and for Michael Green and Ted Turner to be correct and not the sniveling perverts that they are: (1) all or most who download and do not purchase a CD, intended to purchase the CD to begin with, but stopped because they downloaded all the MP3s, and (2) that availability of music over the internet does not increase interest and does not result in people buying specific CDs from specific artists, that they would not have bought otherwise That's not to say that many of these downloads are not violations of copyright. Yeah, they are. But aren't you suspicious when the Record Cos whine much louder than the artists? Did the Plantation owners volunteer to free the slaves?

Take as another example the www.petergabriel.com site. Gabriel is now using his site now to mete out snippets of news and clips of songs for his new one in various stages of development mixed in with narrative. Significant portions of two new songs: Darkness (there's another working title), and More Than This (not the Bryan Ferry song) can be heard. The sounds of the clips hints at more of a Peter Gabriel 3 (Melt) and Security approach rather then So or Us. The title of the album will be UP (PG cleverly made this a contest) rather than I/O which may be his Next One (Peter said he's got 2 hours of stuff in the can)...

I would simply like to see control of music with the artist, not Sony, Warner Bros., and Michael Jackson...

One technology model of song retrieval that works nicely is the Liquid Audio MP3s that have a limited "shelf life." The files "turn themselves off" a few months after the release of the album or after downloading. Bill, this is the type of technology that could protect artist, dastardly record cos., and consumer while theoretically still saturating the promotional curve...

Remember in late 1999, when all of those "promo" copies of 2vN the album and Cousin/WASAM "miraculously" ended up in the hands of DJs and fans so by Feb 29th virtually all of Dandom had heard most or all of the work??? - you don't think that was really CHANCE??

My other point is that the Internet can put REAL power in the hands of independent musicians - the record companies want to take that power away. It's that simple. The Constitution places copyright protection for individuals, not corporations. Many contracts and copyright cottasils (sp?) that result in say Aaron Neville making NOTHING for his hits in the 60s are unconstitutional - the artist lobby is small...

Now here's a example where one can PROVE loss to the artist, or in this case the writer/author. Every year, publishers sell college texts written by experts (usually) to students through bookstores. Some bookstores and other low life buy back the books at the end of the semester, the RESELL the books to the next round of students. The authors get little or usually nothing from the resale and lose a discrete number of known sales of an original book. The text author lobby is too weak against this clear copyright infringement (because intent to purchase can be proven by simply looking at a student's class schedule), so the end-around is putting out a new edition every 3 years...

keep tunneling, you'll hit gold soon...

| w | Day: 11

u- your normally incisive logic is lacking this time, failing in a prima facia manner. Nothing personal, you're still, clearly, one of the more sentient creatures lurking here, and elsewhere.

I will elaborate later when I have time.

Also, I was not addressing the Netradio aspect, but the principle of "file- sharing" in a vacuum.

| YGK | Day: 11

Bad Sneakers - Greetings back from NYC! And thanx for the complimentos - the music is really growing, too....and if you want a copy of WUNDerground - let me know (mhunter@bear.com)

Re: File Sharing/mp3s/downloadable music......

I had the pleasure a few years back before all this stuff broke out to attend an industry event putting mp3, Michael Greene, SDMI reps and other industry folks together for a panel discussion/verbal sparring/egg throwing contest.

It got very heated especially as some of the young singer/songwriters were literally yelling at some of the more established industry folks.
Now that I sit where I sit, I'd like to make a few points that may be repeats, but I think I have some perspective:

mp3/iuma, etc. are all fine ways to 'share' your music......
My experience with mp3.com is one where I learned it's really all about getting other people/musicians to visit your site - it's all about hits.
And if people really like your stuff, and you're an aggressive marketer, you can make some significant dough.
I remember seeing someone who had ~$30,000 in Sales/hits, etc.......I didn't really understand, but I think it's just about network layer on network layer upon network layer, etc.

I work with an adorable associate at RIM - she's 23.
When I was boasting about how fine and Grammy directed Bonnie Raitt's new disc is ("Silver Lining": GO GET IT!!!), she complained that she couldn't get it off the net for free anymore.
I told her that the artist needed to get paid, and she simply responded, "yeah, yeah, they make too much money anyway - I want it for free".....

I can understand why some of the misdirected public might feel that way, but those artists who are enormously successful (Britney, Michael, others) not only make large gobs of money for themselves, but also the labels.......
the argument just moves over to a capitalist discourse (I'm being kind)......I don't want to get into a Randian discussion here......

Our Boys - Steely Dan - no doubt are quite comfortably successful - not on the realm of Super Stardom ($ wise, that is), but they earn their royalties, and while I don't know for sure, I'm fairly certain they're not worried about the rent.
Independent musicians, on the other hand, need exposure - they also need to work harder than the next guy/gal to get it goin......PRO registration, song placement, and exposure comes from smart direct marketing - if you hit the right guy, you might earn it more quickly.....
But while I applaud the industry for cracking down on pirating, I do think there needs to be more outlets (and I do think they exist) for the hard working undiscovered/independent musician.....

Every musician I know wants 'The Deal', but more often than not, it's smoke and mirrors and enormous debt.

Personally, I DO want to grab an advance (low/mid 6 figures) from someone smart enough to see the potential in Core - which is a project I believe in more than anything I ever did......
but I want the advance to be recoupable reasonably, I want the radio jox and radio hounds to push the right stuff, and I want to be able to pay my guys without dying a year later from lack of income.

I just want to be able to "do it again and again", exist as musicians, and let the public come to us - listen, I think it's really good stuff.
I want to be able to play half the year, or even most of the year if necessary.
Heck, Mose Allison plays close to 300 gigs a year.......and he's a happy and successful man, able to create and just Be.

So in the end, online music distribution just becomes absorbed into the plethora of mediums to distribute and share music that we already have.

I decided to put clips up on my iuma site because I don't want to just give it away, but I want people to be able to hear it......decide and then buy.....

So pretty soon, some of you will hear:
"Live, from the Big Apple, New York City: CORE!"

that day can't come too soon........

just my $.02 - peace

ygk

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 11

YGK

Greetings from Scotland - Great work judging by the MP3s on the site I checked out û Always refreshing to hear how you guys are working on the other side of the pond. A lot of great sounding playing, excellent recording and mixing technique and post production. Your influences are obviously varied but the sound is your own. Hope you can secure some kind of a deal if you donÆt alredy have one (publishing maybe ??) and continue to grow the music. If you are in Britain look me up and IÆll make the studio available for some experimentations !!

Bad

| Duncan | Day: 11

Money!!! That's what
I remember this same argument back when i had my 8 track.
''Home taping is killing music''

It's still here as far as i can here.

| ╡ | Day: 11

~: I can see your point, but I'll throw a few counterpoints your way

(1) Sales or CDs were consistently up every year until last year coincidentally? after Napster was removed

(2) The inflated price of CDs continued to rise

(3) Based on the demographics of the population you referred to and the number of hits and availability I've seen at audiogalaxy and the others I contend that:
(a) the songs being downloaded are the most popular songs from the most popular albums - therefore, this is consistent with the promotion argument
(b) the quality of most of the aforementioned songs is extremely poor noise or mind-numbing cotton candy - stupid music for stupid people - look their not going to buy Steely Dan anyway...
(c) samples, word of mouth in chat etc., downloading songs with the permission of the artist, internet radio is the ONLY way small artists in the Clear Channel times have ANY chance at getting their ART out there. Combined with touring - this is how they become known and develop a core of friends who appreciate their work.

(4) Has anything really changed? Half of my friends in college traded tapes and radio stations then ENCOURAGED listeners to tape albums off the radio

My point is that the ability of the music industry to demonstrate cause and effect is nil as is the quality of the stuff being downloaded anyway. As far as I'm concerned the record companies, but not the artists, made this bed and now are whining about perceived consequences. The banning of Internet RADIO clearly hurts the ARTIST, in and effort of a few corporations (Clear Channel, Warner Brothers) to retain CONTROL. The idea is to knock down the little guy. I mean, why don't we ban ALL radio stations except for John Phillip Souza records??? So this whining is really a smokescreen for market share and to put the squeeze on independent artists...

Unfortunately, there is not a large lobby for independent artists like YGK and Core (good luck with the recordings!). This could be a GREAT opportunity for ARTISTS, especially emerging and talented who have not been put in a box by the record companies. Artistry rather than product...As recording equipment continues to grow cheaper and interfacing with computers - producing quality albums becomes less costly - therefore an artist can skip the record companies and need much smaller sales to make it a worthwile venture...why should EVERYONE have a Van Gogh anyway?

Internet radio helps the serious consumer find quality art. Without the internet in its various forms: artists website, song samples, song trading are all rpomotional if seen with the right light. For example, without the internet, I NEVER would have found Neil Finn's Try Whistling This or One All here in Texas, both of which I PURCHAED with the $$ going to the artist...I also would have avoided FINN, a collaboration with his brother Tim in 1994 (pre-internet) which turned out to be just awful, with the exception of one song. There was no way to preview an artist that was not popular before that time. So you see, the internet provides OPPORTUNITY for ARTIST and CONSUMER, can increase sales for record companies, major artists, and independent artists, BUT the record companies LOSE CONTROL...and they HATE that. Thus the assault on the internet radio and the internet in general is an assault on artist and consumer and freedom...

Bill, You're right - this is a new age for recordings and getting the profits to where they belong - the artists. It won't work quite the same as software, which is loaded onto a discrete computer - that has an "identity." Software can be programmed to be downloaded to ONE machine, for example. CDs and DVD-As can be played on any machine. The technology is there to easily prevent a CD from being COPIED. Have you ever wondered why this route is not pursued? Even manufactured cassette tapes had the tab removed to prevent taping...of course, most of us remember that strategic placement a piece of tape could cure that...not that we would want to since I remember that unless a cassette from a record corp. was recorded in THX (?), it sucked in sond quality. We were better off buing an album, then making a copy on Maxell for the car...

| Bill | Day: 11

W and Mu,

About this file sharing thing...
Could'nt the music industry come up with a method of registration
for it's products, just like the software industry does? This way
each and every individual CD produced and sold could be tracked
to an individual purchaser. If that CD is copied, the record
company could pursue the owner of the copied CD in court. This
seems to make sense, and it's that's what I would do.

Also, maybe the record companies and the major audio equipment
manufacturers could get together and come up with a digital
audio scrambling algorithm which would only work with the original
record company CD. This way no copied CD would work. Isn't this
what the major TV Cable companies do?

These solutions seem logical and straight forward, what's keeping
the music industry from implementing them?

| w | Day: 11

u-
Gotta disagree with you that file sharing is not killing music sales. To me The polling stats (if they can be believed)completely point to the fact.

Huge(40%+) percentages of "under 30"'s have never even purchased a CD yet they have huge CD(R) collections. "Above 35's" have very few CDRs and buy 95% of their Cds. Under 30's don't have the money and usually the ear to buy mid or high end audio gear which would render the sound quality as abarrier to sales arguement suspect. Plus the sound quality as an issue falls flat when you consider how many of the devices the "under30" set use to listen to music are decidedly low quality output devices(computer,MP3 players).
Hey, maybe if people would pay for their music, the artists and studios could afford or would bother to kick up the quality.

I say reasons are:

1)file sharing is out and out theft and is serving to help destroy the industry

2)music has become disposable

3)demographic shift toward aging population

4)economic conditions

| wormy | Day: 11

YGK - Malcolm - very glad to hear that things are progressing nicely with the band
maybe you can land a gig in N.O., I could plant a few seeds
(a saturday afternoon in-store at Louisiana Music Factory?)

for those who have not heard Wunderground Radio - snap up a copy
it's an excellent disc.
the title track, Steely Dan Movie or Puerto Rican Girlfriend are each worth it just by themselves

judging soley from the two new tracks that Malc played and left me of his recent work with Core, this is fabulous music, and takes things even farther

really looking forward to the album and maybe catching you at an NYC club around thanksgiving

tom

| ╡ | Day: 11

Clas: The problem is NOT that no one is following the laws (most do), but that they are not having the desired effect... and indeed contributing to more dangerous crimes, like armed robbery and murder. Moreover, marijuana has been misclassified by Congress as a Schedule I drug (heavy-duty narcotic). Congress can rectify these problems by (a) taking felony and jailtime status away from possession and (b) legalizing marijuana (no, I don't toke). Again, I would still retain an "illegal status" for othe drugs (angel dust, heroin, etc) concentrating on the traffickers up to the countries exporting the stuff. I would spend money which now goes to prisons on public education, including drug education and PSAs. The state and federal prisons hold 10 times more prisoners than in 1970 (source: Houston Chronicle) largely because of drug possession cases, and the overcrowding often results in more dangerous criminals released before their terms are served. Besides, those excuses regarding changing the laws that we (the administration and the citizens) didn't follow were the lexicon of Bill Clinton, and he's... well touring the globe...of course, we could always pack up the addicts and pushers into a boat and send them to Sweden ;-)

My grandmother had emphysema and we caught her sneaking cigarettes into her hospital room (I'm not kidding)...

| lp | Day: 11

um, okay...

| Bill | Day: 11

Jimbo,

About the accident thing, it appears that New York State has
insulated itself pretty well in these cases. It boils down to
this... The state is only responsible for damages and personal
injury IF, and this is a crucial IF.., IF it had recieved prior
notification of the hazardous situation which caused the accident.
OTHERWISE, they're off the hook. Pretty cool no?
Right now, were attempting to get the records from the state in
an attempt to prove prior notification. This is not as easy as it
would appear as the agency that maintains the complaint records is
the Department of Transportation itself. My question is, what stops
the State Department of Transportation from convieniently losing
the records? It would be in thier best interest to do so no?
Seems kinda stupid to allow the State to maintain the database of
complaints which could come back to cause them legal trouble in the
future no? Ah, such is life here in the great state of New York...

Oh, and unlike a private business or citizen, the state is fully
exempt from "punitive damages". In other words, the state can
KNOWINGLY permit an unsafe condition to exist and if you and your
family are injured or killed by that unsafe situation, the state
cannot be sued for punitive damages. Isn't it great to work for the
goverment? The next time you see a state worker who appears not to
give a damn about anything, you'll know why.

| angel | Day: 11

Kelli: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Donald Fagen knew someone with the name Aja. Same thing with Rikki (Rikki don't loose that Number). Since your daughter is named after the album, you might want to pick up Classic Albums: Making Aja. It can be found on Amazon.com. A great video that explains the making of the album. Hope that helps.

| KELLI MILLER | Day: 11

What does "Aja" mean? We named our daughter "Aja" (Ann Miller) now 18 years old. Just wondering.

Kelli Miller
Blanchester, OH

kmiller15@cinci.rr.com

| YGK | Day: 11

MC: hey, man, you will know.....back in the studio this weekend to knock out 3-4 more (!), and now looking at the schedule, and hoping to be able to complete by end of July.......I'm visiting Florida on the 3rd weekend.....then next weekend to see my parents for some 'homecare' discussions......never thot I'd do that......you have a signed copy, no? hope you and Mrs. Cruiser are exceedingly well.......now, where are more of your wonderful photos?

LG/DG: you heard from Australia, no? how'd you like her disc? when are you around? LG (to answer you propa): besides being a wonderfully poetic name, she's a sales woman at Kenzo, where I've spent a few dollars, but she's also the recipient of some Fresh Water pearls......news on the hour, as it happens, when it happens!
now when are you two in the sitay?

St. Al: there are naysayers? BTW, the longer I don't get a travel commitment from my singing flower, left coast starts to look like September.....will keep you posted......but then, TTSIAO will be finished!

ygk

| lcpaul | Day: 11

Molly - been a trying few days one way and another. My 19-year old son is putting me thru my paces, testing my limits, so my attention's been elsewhere. And that's not to mention various other people in my life. Fuck! Started off badly and went steadily downhill. Anyhow, it appears not much has changed since I've been away. Vitriole and insults continue to flow unabated. At least some things are consistent.

Bill Sir - Mr Tyson, in my eyes, is an infidel! For god's sake man, he's a convicted rapist! He should be in the clink, not the ring. Oh, and did you see that a South African won "Rookie of the Year" at Indy? Tomas Scheckter, whose famous father was an F1 world-champion in the 70s. Oh shit, this is America. You guys don't know what F1 is. Or that Schumacher won on Sunday in superb style. Poor Montoya though.

Love to y'all.

Mr T

| RudeWaitress | Day: 11

Complain, Complain, Complain...Boy, someone sits with an empty coffee cup for 5 mins and all they can do is complain. Look...just because I was kidnapped by the "mad" rocket scientist, does THAT make me a bad waitress? Well..yes, it does. ..and its gonna get worse. So heres your new placemat and a box of 64 crayolas, Picasso.

ps..are you going to the block party? Also, I wiped out all my IM people bt accident...send me one..forgot your name...hahahaha!

clas..sweetie darling...still the bad boy of the GB. I see. Give my love to Lena and Pompe'.

| Testing, testing... | Day: 11

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| C | Day: 10

And cigarettes, tell that to my wife ¦, she's an intelligent, straight no-drugs-whatsoever woman, but when I critizise her cig-habit - she goes mazurka. Talk about denial.

| Clas @ Work | Day: 10

¦ - well, my point was; you don't give up the laws because people don't follow them?

| StAlphonzo | Day: 10

YGK: Plug away man. Screw the naysayers.

Feature article on CDnow about Chris Potter:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1222509697/pagename=/RP/GENRES/cms_genres.html/gid=1014/fid=263611

StAl

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 10

Malcolm (YGK) Hunter's Wunderground Radio CD is highly recommended by me!! If you don't have a copy, I'd suggest you order one.

Malc....keep me posted on the new one coming out in August, I want a copy for sure.

Duncan....Dan sounds like a chip off the old block! Let me know when you upload the photos, I'd like to check them out. Oh, you asked how I find the time? I only work every other day and I don't have any kids....you can figure out the rest. : )

FloriDave....hoping you'll be releasing a follow up to the great Clockdrive World soon.

headed for South Carolina in the morning....be back in Virginia Friday....y'all take care.

| NotYourNorah | Day: 10

Dearest YGK-who's Daisy Sung?

| It ain't over 'till it's over... | Day: 10

Steveedan-::raspberries:: I know it doesn't look good for NJ. But they fought the good fight, no?

| ╡ | Day: 10

Figures. The Feds/Congress have been lobbied into protecting us from listening to decent music on the internet, but not from the post modern equivalent of the chiropractor:

"Unique Identifier
11196523
Medline Identifier
21038664
Authors
Suarez-Almazor ME. Kendall CJ. Dorgan M.
Institution
Veteran Affairs Medical Center, Health Services, Research, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. mes@bcm.tmc.edu
Title
Surfing the Net--information on the World Wide Web for persons with arthritis: patient empowerment or patient deceit? [see comments.].
Comments
Comment in: J Rheumatol. 2001 Jan;28(1):1-2 ; 11196508
Source
Journal of Rheumatology. 28(1):185-91, 2001 Jan.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: In the past few years access to the Internet has become readily available. Patients are increasingly seeking and obtaining health information through the Internet, most often the World Wide Web (WWW). We assessed the content, authorship, and scope of the information available on WWW in relation to rheumatoid arthritis. METHODS: In an attempt to replicate use by the average person, a broad search of the Internet was conducted for the phrase "rheumatoid arthritis" using WebCrawler, a commonly used search engine. All the "hits" were critically assessed after visiting and collecting information from the respective Web sites in relation to relevance, scope, authorship, type of publication, and financial objectives. RESULTS: The search returned 537 hits. We evaluated 531-2 did not exist, 2 could not be contacted, one was not in English, and one required a membership to access. The 531 hits originated from 388 Web sites. Only 198 (51%) were considered to be relevant and 7 (2%) were of doubtful relevance. Thirty-four (17%) were posted by an individual, 57 (28%) by a nonprofit organization, 104 (51%) by a profit industry, and 10 (5%) by universities. Ninety-one (44%) promoted alternative therapies, the most common including cetyl-myristoleate, colloidal minerals, Pycnogenol, shark cartilage, and Tahitian Noni. Of the 107 sites with financial interests, 76 (71%) promoted alternative medicine. The first 100 hits only identified about a third of the nonprofit organizations or university owned Web pages. CONCLUSION: Many sites easily accessed by consumers appear to be profit based companies advertising an alternative product claimed to be effective for many conditions. These findings emphasize the need for critical evaluation of Web site contents."

| P.S. i forgot............................... | Day: 10

Push back the couch... Prepare to cut a rug
The single of 02 is upon us & ...you soon.
ELVIS v JXL...
honestly it's ''da bomb''
Dunkan

| YGK | Day: 10

Greetings, everyoneààjust an update on the musical endeavoursààyes, it's Steely Relatedàà
I've just received the 2nd Edition printing of "WUNDerground Radio - 6 Trax" - this time it's an unsigned printing of 75, which are for Sale for $10, plus $3 shipping Domestic US - checks or money orders are the only way right now, as I need to pay my ISP guy for the website (www.malcolmhunter.com).

However, any of you wishing to purchase this can do so by emailing me here at mhunter@bear.com

Featured trax include: WUNDerground Radio, Puerto Rican Girlfriend, Like a Steely Dan Movie, Model Prisoner, Dreams of Life? and Amor Siempre
Let me knowàà

Also, Core - my new trio, finished recording 3 new trax: Shaking, O When the Moon, and Questions - with Billy Burtt on lead vocals. So now, the album, "Trying to Sort it All Out", has 5 completions (OLE, you have the first 2), and we're back in the studio this weekend to work out 3-4 moreààIt's beginning to look like the album will be finished and pressed end of July, and available in August.

FlaDavid: you will have a significant preview, bud.

"Trying to Sort It all Out" will contain 12-14 brand new songs, although a new version of "Model Prisoner" might make the cutàà

I will shamelessly plug as little as possible, but first listen indicators are VERY excitingà..

and then there's this woman named Daisy Sungàà.

ygk

| Duncan | Day: 10

Well it's that time again.
To the virus sender: (in case you're reading this)

On my kneesàYOU'RE THE MAN, YOU HAVE WON, I GIVE IN.
Please stop it, I'm finding it hard enough to keep my business going as it is, Both the computers at work are know fucked, one totally.
I'm struggling to stay afloat here. I'm not waving I'm drowning.
The ONLY upshot of this is that I've been forced to buy a new one. Mr Norton is also a few hundred quid better off as of the weekend.

Mu: glad you finally got to listen to Ms Jones, One of the greatest purchases I've ever made ( I got tired fairly quickly, But Linda loves it !!!!)

Anything that costs ú12.99 & keeps the wife happy for months has got to be a bargain.
NO I DID NOT BUY IT IN AMSTERDAM.

Although she was playing in Amsterdam the weekend I was there. I just couldn't find it in my heart to drag the boys of to see some ''piano playing nobody'' when there was shopping to be done (window à..LOL)

I've had to drop her from my radio playlist thoughàto many dropouts for my liking.
Still LP enjoy the showà

Fingers: the room's booked in York on Sat nightàso it's a go, We'll be in the City from lunchtime.
Linda is insistent that we go to some Art galleries in the afternoon !!! World cup bye the river more like. Just how was the Torrington showànot much feedback the last time I looked, Then a message you had exceeded your bandwidthà..what does that mean ?

Beerberian : looking forward to meeting you & all the boys (+girls)

DAN Newsànearly got a full set of teeth, Haircut on Thursday, will post before & after pics on Friday. Talkingàkind off. Running, Headbutting everything, Eating everything this weekends highlights where a beetle, some soil, horse manure.
NO US trip for him or us this year, the thought of him spending 8 hours on mine or Linda's lap has put us both off, I suggested drugging him a little !!!! That didn't go down to well.

MC: thanks for the photo shout out again very nice work, Keep it up, Where do you find the time to just play around like that.

Jools Hollands 100th show on www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 tonight featuring Ray Davies in the studio.

Dean Friedman's joining Jonathan Ross on his show 15/06/02 address as above.

WJAZ: I spy a new series about the funeral business here soon, written by the geezer behind American Beautyà
The trailer features a scene with a ''lady'' with her head in the coffin's middle section..I nearly fell of the sofa laughing so much.

Bill: Lenox was born in west Ham London despite boxing for Canadia in the Olympics, I too got up to watch it àPAY PER VIEWà.NOTàààà.. PAY & GO more like.

The radio's free anyhow.

Molly: great talking the other day, sorry if I asked to many questionsàI just like to know stuff that's all. Still haven't got to the wall yet, But it's getting closer.

Dano / TWM: well what did you think of that performance.
My Brothers opening his CafT early on Wednesday mornà The Big Question is &.7.30 to early for a beer.

Forgot who: I also rented the Score recently, Enjoyed the film, Studied the end credits
Made a mental note to find out more, Post a couple of questions.
Went to bed, formulated a really great post, dreamt I typed it up, dreamt I posted it, put it out of my mind, Waited for reply'sààNothing.

It was only when you mentioned it again I remembered my ''dream''

Very impressed with the city of Montreal though. well what we saw.
Also Nice to see Mr Brando on screen again & improvising too, So much better than the island of Dr Moreau.

Think thatÆs it, Catch the real people at the weekend.
To the rest of youà..One day I hope.

StAl: if god had meant us all to excersiseàWouldn't he have made us all fit ?

My final words are on DRUGSà It makes me sad.
I miss one night out & my ''mates'' Hoover & Dyson scoffed the lot.
Bloody food poisoning !!!!!

| W1P | Day: 10

Hello. Miz Ducky thanks for making me kick myself for choosing a vacation instead of Sgt. Lovebob Pepper

| ╡ - There ya go again | Day: 10

Clas: must have been a hallucination ...There IS a BIG difference. In a murder or robbery, one person is slashing with the rights of another citizen. Society has the right to protect you against others and The Constitution provides with rights agains the government.

But SHOULD the government protect us against OURSELVES from Womb to tomb...Oops, I mean from succesful live birth and discharge from the hospital after the bill is paid to Tomb??? Should an adult be given a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt or helmet in on motorcycle?? especially when they weasel out of accountability for failure to provide services correctly...who do they think they are? the Catholic Church??...should the government deny people's rights to become a candidate for the Darwin Awards??? ... to fill their minds with Eminem and Jerry Springer?...to eat a dozen Krspy Kreme donuts... or maple syrup on fries?

Did you know Reagan was in favor of legalizing pot? ...maybe he wanted to keep his kids out of jail...

Hard drugs - those that are (a) extremely addictive and (b) know to kill are an exception???

A problem we all recognize is the inconsistency of the application of the law in most cases except for DUI (which technically includes even prescription meds)
(1) cigarettes are more addictive than heroin. While not as mind altering as heroin, what worse OD and out in 30 min or years of suffering with lung cancer or emphysema?
(2) crack vs. powder cocaine possession sentencing....

From a practical matter, I would continue to ensure that (a) all drugs are not sellable to minors, (b) make possession of drugs a non-criminal, fine-payable offense and (c) put even stricter sentences on dealers all the way up the line, especially if sold to minors...much of the money finds its way back to terrorists...

| No, to a Libertine! | Day: 10

Ok, StAl, if you could draw that line again (pot). But I don't think it's possible to go back.

"Society" may never succeede in the war on drugs, but, it's a standpoint, a sign from "us" that's saying; we don't tolerate it.

We don't allow robbery, murder... do we? It's against the law to kill one another, but we don't give up the laws just because people ARE killing each other, do we?

| ╡ | Day: 10

I think Hoops has referred to this, but it looks like internet radio is in trouble

http://saveinternetradio.org/default.asp#legis

The excuse is that internet radio hurts CD sales. Smells like another misdirected Clear Channel plot:

CD sales dipped last year not because of Napster (which was shut down) and other file-sharing networks - they acts as promoters of artists. Would you buy a car without a test drive? A home without a tour and inspectioin?

The problem was:

(1) The very poor quality of the recordings
(2) The limited airplay by radio in general, especially Clear Channel, the video chanels, that don't play much music
(3) economic downturn
(4) Did I mention the very poor quality of recordings

Garbage + limiting freedom = apathy

It's a pathetic schoolyard attempt at control. Write your congress rep/senator...

They know Internet Radio = more freedom and power for YGK and other independent artists...

| ╡ | Day: 10

Clas: You mean you're switching from a Socialist to a Libertarian?...you could be a Texan!!

St.Al: Just my luck. Tried to stream and hit the screen:

"We regret that at this time we are no longer streaming our radio station on line. Due to many factors we've had to make the difficult decision that this is no longer a service we can provide.

You may or may not be aware of the many legal issues surrounding the streaming of music online. To keep it succinct - there are many and they are complex. As we all move into this new digital age we have to collectively figure out the new rules so that artists, record labels and the industry that supports them - Radio - can all win. That solution has not been found yet"

Get Michael Green a hooker!

| StAlphonzo | Day: 10

Clas: That was a very lucid rebuttal. I respect what you're saying. I never said there was an easy answer, nor do I propose to have a complete one. The difficulty with your argument of "a civilization must do it's best to keep people from destroying themselves," are the lines (laws) that must be drawn. Stopping people from smoking pot is not, nor will it ever solve a problem and instead only creates a much bigger one. Guns, heroin, cocaine, etc are different and they deserve to be scrutinized. And yes, a clear line can be drawn. Also, what I meant in my use of the word communism was the social oppression that seem to go hand-in-hand with the ideology.

Mu: It sounds like the radio station here in the NW (KMTT) is tailored to your musical tastes. Norah Jones and Finn's new one are in HEAVY rotation right now. So is John Mayer, Jack Johnson and many of the others people keep mentioning on this message board. My favorite so far is Mayer. Great stuff. You can listen on the net...

http://www.kmtt.com

StAl

| Oh dear | Day: 10

TO OUR VALUED CUSTOMERS:
HSBC Bank is very pleased to inform you that we are installing new"Drive-thru" cash point machines where our customers will be able to withdraw cash without leaving their vehicles. To enable our customers to make full use of these new facilities, we have conducted intensive studies to come up with the appropriate procedure for their use.

Please read the procedures that apply to you, (i.e. MALE or FEMALE) and
remember them for when you use our new machines for the first time.

PROCEDURES FOR OUR MALE CUSTOMERS.
1. Drive up to the cash machine.
2. Wind down your car window.
3. Insert card into the machine and enter PIN.
4. Enter amount of cash required and withdraw.
5. Retrieve card, cash and receipt.
6 Wind up window.
7 Drive off.

PROCEDURES FOR OUR FEMALE CUSTOMERS.
1. Drive up to the cash machine.
2. Reverse back the required distance to align car window with the cash
machine.
3. Restart the stalled engine.
4. Wind down the window.
5. Find handbag, remove all contents onto passenger seat and locate card.
6. Turn the radio down.
7. Attempt to insert card.
8. Open car door to allow easier access to cash machine due to it's
excessive distance from the car.
9. Insert card.
10. Re-insert card the right way up.
11. Re-enter handbag to find diary with your PIN written on the inside
back page.
12. Enter PIN.
13. Press "Cancel" and re-enter correct PIN.
14. Enter amount of cash required.
15. Check makeup in rear view mirror.
16. Retrieve cash and receipt.
17. Empty handbag again to locate purse and place cash inside.
18. Place receipt in back of cheque book.
19. Re-check makeup.
20. Drive forward 2 metres.
21. Reverse back to cash machine.
22. Retreive card.
23. Re-empty handbag, locate card holder and place card into the slot
provided.
24. Restart stalled engine and pull away.
25. Drive for 2 or 3 miles.
26. Release handbrake.

| C @ W | Day: 10

StAl - I said that you could exercise instead of smoke pot. That was just a respond to the alernatives you had to "real" drugs. I also told you to meditate.

| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 10

Greeting everyone! what a fine day we have here. Hot and sunny. My lillies are in their glory and everything is lush and green.
Lisa G, hi back at you. Yes ,in a strange but nice way we are a community. As someone recently said to me, the yellow is like a visiting your favorite pub. I don't know much about pubs.But I like this much better then visiting our local bar. No smokey air to breathe, or drunken louts trying to get me to dance with them...I'm sure you have plenty to contribute. ..
Jason, I hope your eye condition is better. I agree with your posts about drug abuse. You may want to contact the folks at Intellitools, their web site is: www.intellitools.com they offer a free 30 day download. Another one that may interest you is RJ Cooper and Associates his site is : www.rjcooper.com and lastly a place called Computer Access Solutions at: www.abilityhub.com
Dr Mu, well let's get that foot out from under there, heck we'll go iceskating! Or are you snowbound? :)
Where the hell is poor lcpaul? Baby have you left us for the little feat pages?
I know poor Chips is in mourning.....but check in sweetness!
What's everyone listening to these days? (besides Norah) I'm into Cassandra Wilson's Belly of the Sun.... very nice.
John Cowan's Always Take me Back
Bowie's Slowburn...
The Ya Ya Sisterhood Soundtrack.... is great! lots of cajun music, some Dylan and Lauren Hill
Drew, sorry was painting and forgot to turn my phone back on. I'll try calling you later this Evening.
Well duty calls.....
Be peaceful and loving my friends M.

| lp | Day: 10

i'm seeing norah jones june 18th in massachusetts - woohoo!

| ╡-missing line | Day: 10

My 9 year old daughter is a big fan, but fortunately she has not been inundated by bad TV, bad clothing, bad ideas, ...associate any comments the critics out there have like "laconic or sleepy" with stupid [, limited minds of the critics themselves]

| ╡ | Day: 10

Duncan: The whole album, Come Away with Me is amazing. A mix of 3 standards with originals by Norah and 2 of her band mates

Wile all recordings are excellent, my partular favorites are
(1) the amazing cover of Hank Williams' Cold Cold Heart
(2) title track written by Norah
(3) Nightingale
(4) Don't Know Why - the single
(5) Turn Me On - another fab cover
(6) Lonestar - loping Texas 2 step
(7). One Flight Down - maybe the best original tune
(8). The Nearness of You - Hoagy Charmichael classic

In a constant effort to over classify someone, she has been labeled jazz, country, blues.

It is all of those. With upright bass, Floyd Cramer-like piano, appropriate acoustinc and electric guitar licks the album was recorded as if nothing existed after say 1957 or IGY. When was the last pop recording where you could hear drum brushes? The album finds a pocket that fuses the early roots of rock and roll and stays more or less in there. The album does have changes of pace and loud and soft moments. Note throughout the recordings that Norah is whispery, then puts a lot of ring in her voice...for those that don't get it, that simply a function of the mind-numbing effects of a loud, TV oriented society where in your face trash talk and dumb luck persistence count for more than talent and craft. Most folks simply aren't used to what a professional recording sounds like, especially with the vocals up front. My 9 year old daughter is a big fan, but fortunately she has not been inundated by bad TV, bad clothing, bad ideas, and loud obnoxious fame hunters pimped by our society and corporations...associate any comments the critics out there have like "laconic or sleepy" with stupid

Jimbo: It is amazing to see a Blue Note recording up there...Neil Finn's album has the best songs, but Norah's is the best recording this year so far - at the very least best new artist come Grammy time - the same engineers and producers of the Academy that voted for 2vN may allow her to beat out MnMnMnM's latest for album of the year...since the qualifying period end Sept30, I only see Gabriel's latest on the horizon (if it actually comes out in Sept.)

| Beerberian | Day: 10

Jason; I was indeed reffing to "the rampaging old biddy who singlehandedly (?) destroyed much of UK TV, because the kiddies needed to be protected from anything slightly unpleasant?" slight twist tho' she was doing ALL the judging of WHAT was deemed as unpleasant .....I however subscribe to the doctrine of choice - IF you don't like it, don't; do,watch,listen to,eat,drink,f*** IT !! .....Coming to York ?

Another thought "the rampaging old biddy who singlehandedly destroyed much of UK because the tories needed to be protected from anything slightly unpleasant?" ring any bells ? same 'airdo

Q; Does a psychopatholigical liar tell you a fib then kill you ?

God I'm bored bored bored ........

| dif | Day: 10

its 9:05a.m. central standard time.

chat anyone?

| lp | Day: 10

hey, i'm not 37, i'm 14!

take the test:

http://www.music-review.org/test.asp

| Randy | Day: 10

"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

| jason harber | Day: 10

i wish i could give all the drug discussion all the attention it deserves... as it is i'm only skimming, due to the eye thing. my take on the legalization issue has always been that it ahould happen, and this is unrelated to whether they do harm or not. what kills me is that people assume the law is a valid method to attempt social engineering. the minimally-thought-out rationale goes: i think society would improve if "x" behavior would go away-- make "x" illegal-- unpleasant behavior excised-- happy ending.

the only thing is, that's awfully abstract. there are steps inbetween the cause and effect that are messier than people would like, such as the fact that to do this social engineering, you actually have to take real human beings and put them in jail, some of whom are pretty decent people. and the penalties can be harsh. if you're going to actually do that to a breathing, non-abstract human being, you'd better be sure that THAT person is specifically being a real bastard and doing specific harm, that merits coming down so hard on her/him. a grand design of a better society that's supposed to eventually happen someday isn't enough. (And we're still waiting for that.)

i think the same way as regards wars. if you're going to say, yes, "we" should go into this or that country to acheive this or that goal, well, you can sound very "serious" and "informed", and have all the noble or practical reasons you want, and they may be good ones, but i'd have to respond with, "alright, when are you signing up?" if they won't take you, what if they would? once it all stops being ABSTRACT, is your opinion the same?

MU--- thanks for comment. Oleander--- thanks... thinking of a self-made sampler? i enjoy doing compilation tapes, if only to come up with interesting sequences of songs, that get me to hear them in a new way.

i want to go over sometime the three phases i've gone through in my thinking on what "what a shame about me" means.

2002 IS going to be the year of "are you passionate?" by kneel jung for me, as it turns out. it suddenly all grew on me in the fourth or third listening. this is the first whole one of his i've liked since "freedom" in 1989. it doesn't matter that he can't really come across as a Stax-era r&b singer. that's irrelevant to what he's trying to do.

Beerbarian-- were you referring to Mary Whitehouse, the rampaging old biddy who singlehandedly (?) destroyed much of UK TV, because the kiddies needed to be protected from anything slightly unpleasant?

| Beerberian | Day: 10

Your everlasting summer
You can see it fading fast
So you grab a piece of something
That you think is gonna last
You wouldn't know a diamond
If you held it in your hand
The things you think are precious
I can't understand

written about Madonna ?????? Nostradamus Fagen ???

| | Day: 10

a rather a mu sing correlation

top ten reasons Madonna Stole Time Out of Mind For Papa's Silencio De Preacho

11) she was inpregnated by dandom
10) the water may change to cherry wine and the true blue will turn to gold
9) face the dragon? she is the dragon
8) keep your eyes on the sky, give Madonna that melody,
remove what is pretty...
7) must have heard the tune high in the custer dome
6) uptown baby, she's gets down baby, now she's round with baby
5) just another knock off knock up... scurvy brother
4) werlin made her do it
3) cause she was needing a little material, girl...
2) she's got the spangled leather poncho, so she might as well lift the melody too
1) her engineer recorded over her first arrangement

| FaceTheFace | Day: 10

Dragon: You were hearing John Mayer's song "No Such Thing". "...I just found out there's no such thing as a real world, just a lie you've got to rise above..." From his "Room for Squares" CD. Great sound he has, no disappointments so far.

Floridave: So happy to see you are well and things are rolling along smoothly! Hope you can tame that nicotine monkey, I know it's not easy, but it is worth the effort.

Rude Waitress: Is that really you? I've been sitting here staring at this empty cup for ages and I need a new placemat to color!

| Beerberian | Day: 10

Fingers; How's it going ? .....still standing inside his brown shoes? How did Sat night go ?

| Fingers | Day: 10

Hi Steveedan
Yes it was me , but just as I got in......the little one woke up and duty called!!! Drats!!! Will try again next week.....looking forward to a good chat with the maestro and other afficianados.
cheers, Paul

| arlean | Day: 10

Jimbo: I don't know what the "mainstream" media did to promote the Three Rivers Art Festival, since I rarely watch the local newcasts, don't listen to WDVE, and wouldn't read the Trib if you gave it to me.

I do know that WYEP has promoted this event daily for over a month now and the Post Gazette had a insert this past Friday on the list of musicians. Friday night you could barely walk down town on opening night and the park was packed for the Indigo Girls concert.

The crowd wasn't as large last night, which suited me just fine. She gave a fine performance for about eighty minutes. She's young, humble and has an innocent way about her. But she isn't jazz, she's Norah, and it's refreshing to see that these days.

WYEP has a nice website and one should check it out to find the other fine muscians playing there this month at the Festival for free. I know it's hard to pick up the station where my parents live in Burgettstown, but you can listen to it on the web. WYEP seems to be able to bring so many great, if not mainstream, musicians to the "Burgh and we should be grateful that we have them around.

I'll be there to see Alejandro Escovedo, Dan Hicks, and Dr. John. Please check out the line up at the Summer festival on the 29th and the Pittsburgh Blues Festival and the Bradley Fest at Hartwood Acres next month.

Enjoy!

| Clas @ Work | Day: 10

StAl - I think you should look up the world "Communism".

---

ôStill, a person should have complete control over thier own
destiny in this world. The government should'nt try to stop
me from harming myself and hide behind the 'It's for your own
good' argument. This is the reason I don't agree with the Seat
Belt laws in most states; it's a matter of personal safety,
the goverment should'nt force me to wear my seatbelt 'for my own
good', that should be my decision; right or wrong.ö

What I am trying to point out Bill, is, no man is an Island. A society/civilisation must do its best to keep people from destroying themselves.

It's been proven that seatbelts are lowering the damages at car-accidents (in general).

That is good for the induvidual and his/hers relatives, and it's good for the society (money, hopitals and such).

The less people that is starting using drugs, the better off will you and your kids be. The society must fight drugs and reduce the alcohol-intake, get rid of the guns, all those things dicreases crime in society and fight all that that will save lifes, maybe it will save your KIDs life, maybe it will save YOUR LIFE Bill. It is in your interest.

As I said, no man is an island.

Drug-abuse is an epidemic, and a society/civilisation must fight it. It's a bigger threat to your society than "terrorism" will ever be, Bill, no matter what your President is saying.

Take a look around the endless project-areas that sourrounds your big cities, the poor homeless people that are dying in the streets, the crime, the apathy, the low participation in the elections, the racism, the ignorance of the middle-class gringo.

The brain-wash, the cover-ups from your government, the lies from your President.

Take a good look Bill, and then ask yourself; How could this happen to a country as USA?

Ask yourself that question Bill. And don't tell me the only answer you can come up with is;

-It's the pressure of taxation! That is what destroyed this wonderful, beautiful country of ours!

| Dragon | Day: 10

I have been hearing Norah Jones on the radio, "Don't Know Why?". I'd like to hear more of her stuff, she has a very pleasant and clear voice. I also saw a video for a guy that someone else mentioned that I also wanted to hear more of I can't remember his name right now (I know it's going to come to me when I'm falling to sleep or something) but one of the lines in his song was something like, "I just found out the world is a lie...".

Bill -- So about the fame thing -- is this all fame in general or just what some people do with it?

| Jimbo | Day: 9

Bill--What's the word on the legal action against the city? Let us know.

To everyone else--I live only 40 miles from Pittsburgh, PA and yet I have to condemn the mainstream media there for two reasons:

1. The Three Rivers Arts Festival was held the previous weekend and was not promoted very well over there. Obviously, local news stations had better things to do like promote 'Breaking Stories" or "New since 6"
which is the catch phrase with these stations nowadays. They even do stories that aren't worth covering.

2. Yesterday, at the festival, the final musical act was a free concert given by Norah Jones. I didn't find out until the day before. I would have gone, but I had to work that day. I could just kick myself from missing what would have been the best concert of the year. But like I said, the Pittsburgh media should have mentioned Norah in a week or two
before the concert.

Oh well, I can wait, but I'll have to ask the media to be more extensive
to covering good music rather than talk about Lance Bass' self-serving candidacy to go to outer space.

But other than that, there is some good news, I read on Billboard's web site that Norah's CD is at #19 on the charts and has been certified gold
with sales in excess of 500,000. YIPPEE! Since she's not on a label
run by conglomerates or musicians turned businessmen, I don't think she should have any pressure in following up her success.

God, I hope there's a Grammy in her future.

| ╡ | Day: 9

The ingredients of Blue Stuff are:

MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) - *unstudied and unproven, but *may* have antioxidant properties that DMSO (hydroxyl radical trapper) and N-acetyl cysteine - which protects proteins from oxidation*
-
Whole leaf Aloe Vera - *good for sunburn or mixed with meat tenderizer for jellyfish/insect stings*-

Purified Water
Carbomer-940
Willow Bark Extract
St. John's Wort
Triethanolamine
Sorbitol
Capsium Oleoresin
Blue Bottle,
Roman Chamomile
Fever Few, St. John's Wort
Marigold *this ain't the promised land*
Lime Tree
Coriander Oil
Grape Seed Extract
Fragrance
FD&C Blue No. 1

plus the real active ingredients:
Witch Hazel Extract
Menthol

*Menthol and Witch Hazel are irritants and can penetrate skin. Menthol is the main ingredient of Vick's Vapo-Rub....

All in a concentrated blend of Emu Oil - *promotes some penetration throught the skin and ALMOST as good as snake oil...*

*Until MSM is studied further, the Main effect of Blue Stuff and the like is probably simply local irritation by menthol and witch hazel that makes you forget about the arthritis or sports injury pain. Alternative: buy a cheap ball-peen hammer and strike ad libitum on the left toe for knee arthritis and the right elbow for hip and hand arthritis...*

| Fred | Day: 9

In Washington, it's everywhere, like God and mendacity: The DC Bob. As people talk, in fern bars, in eateries, on the sidewalk, an incorrect thought occurs - something that might upset Them. You know who They are: The racial, sexual, religious, and political groups that One Doesn't Offend, the ideas and policies one mustn't mention, the simple observations of fact that one may not make. We all know where trouble lies. And we are careful.

The incipient malefactor leans forward. He's getting closer to his hearers to avoid eavesdroppers. Next he drops his chin and looks furtively over each shoulder in turn to see who might be listening. This is the DC Bob. It is routine. People don't even notice that they are doing it.

The heretic whispers, "I'm sick of affirmative-action hires. We can't get anything done in my office..."

The DC Bob. You have to watch what you say in America.

A while back I attended a party of people in government. I didn't know them. They knew me indirectly . We clutched Heinekens in the kitchen and chewed cheesy stuff on crackers. Pretending we weren't, we felt each other out to be sure none of us was with the thought police (another ritual in Washington). The conversation came around to the deterioration of American society. The subject is common. In fact, it is close to inevitable.

One fellow finally said approximately, "I don't get it. We all know what's going on. Why can't we even talk about it? This isn't the Soviet Union."

Ah, but, yes, actually, it is the Soviet Union. When people have to look over their shoulders before speaking in public places - when they are afraid to utter reasonable criticism of very questionable governmental policies - we've reached the suburbs of Moscow. I'm not trying to be cute about this. Ours is very much the same system of social control, but without the truncheons. It's cleverly done, so that we have no way of revolting and nothing really to revolt against.

Yes, the penalties for political transgression are here lighter than in the USSR, but methods vary little. If you criticized Stalin, you got a bullet in the nape of the neck. Rubber hoses served their soothing purpose, and there were the Gulag and psychiatric committal. We don't do these things here.

They aren't necessary. To enforce conformity, the threat need not be extreme, merely adequate. Here, if you say the wrong thing, you lose your job. The years toward retirement vanish. The press savages you. You don't get tenure or, if you have it, you are shunned by the rest of the faculty - including those who secretly agree with you but are afraid of the same treatment. This is enough. We don't need thumbscrews.

Intimidation depends not just on penalties but upon the certainty, or near certainty, of their application. In the Soviet Union, people knew they would lose if they transgressed. They couldn't run. The police were faster. They couldn't hide. The police would find them. They couldn't even die gloriously to make a statement. The government wouldn't broadcast it. Hopelessness breeds passivity. People may rebel against long odds. They seldom rebel when they can accomplish nothing.

The same is true here. We can't win - though the penalties are not grisly, and do not always come from the formal government. If we take the wrong position on the wrong subject, the federal EEO apparatus will crush us. The feds know they can and drag a case out for a decade spend us into submission. Institutions - companies, universities -- will force us to apologize and publicly humiliate us. If we go to another university, apply for another job, the word will have gotten around and we won't be hired.

The fewer the people you can trust, the greater the intimidation. In the Soviet Union, children were encouraged to rat out their parents. Under Stalin, it could be fatal. Things aren't so bad here. Our kids are only occasionally asked to inform. ("Do your parents have guns?") But in school, children are steeped unendingly in Appropriate Thought. In communist countries, it was more openly done, being honestly called Marxism-Leninism or Mao Tse Dung Thought. In our schools it's packaged as immanent self-evident Goodness. The effect is to erect a police wall between parents and children.

Do I exaggerate? Try telling your kid that Sojourner Truth and Harriet Tubman (whoever she was) were perhaps not the central achievement of Western Civilization, that there is an astronomical lopsidedness by race in commission of crime, or that universal illegitimacy may involve both immorality and irresponsibility. The tad will likely be horrified that you are such a racist. Don't teachers and the telescreen say so?

And so many parents speak carefully at home, checking to see that the children aren't listening. As in the Soviet Union, indoctrination is the unspoken purpose of schooling.

Here, as in the USSR, the press -- in particular the ever-whispering screen, half-ignored, babbling like a brook, slowly depositing assumptions, views, unnoticed beliefs -- is the key to social control. Russians knew they were being lied to, but they didn't know how much. Our telescreens lie more subtly, and thus more effectively. The principle is that if people absorb one lie in two, tell them three. Soon they will believe... enough. That is all it takes.

American journalism isn?t as controlled as that of the Soviet Union, but it is controlled enough. In the media the punishment for deviationist thought is swift and sure. We in the trade know exactly what we can and cannot say. Criticize the wrong things and you will lose your job and be, for practical purposes, blacklisted.

Many journalists of course know what is going on, assuredly including editors of major publications. But, being intimidated, they intimidate. Thus what we know we don't write, and what we write we don't believe. Editorialists and columnists argue pointlessly within understood constraints, like ping-pong balls bouncing between two walls. The walls are there. One doesn't step beyond.

Yet there is more to it. Editors do not control the content of publications. Advertisers do ? advertisers and the owners. If you buy important amounts of advertising, you have veto power.

Sometimes the influence is quietly explicit. A major upper-middle-brow magazine once assigned me a story that might have involved criticism of defense contractors. The editor asked me to go easy on McDonnell-Douglas because it advertised. This is not uncommon. But usually writers just know what They don't want. And they don't write it. They are afraid.

Looking over our shoulders, dealing cautiously with strangers, doing the DC Bob...

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| ╡ | Day: 9

LG: OOPS - Sorry, that was Angel...anyway, yes, the NOSPAM must be removed...the instert habit prevents additional junk mailers from putting me on their list. Did you ever get your ISP internal bandwidth Scrooges in line??

| Steveedan | Day: 9

Good evening sports fans ...

The Lakers just beat New Jersey. Lakers lead the series 3 games to 0. The next (or is that the final) finals game will be Wednesday night.

| Tigger, too. | Day: 9

Mu, last mail I sent bounced. I tried again without the "nospam" portion in the addy. So far, no bouncy.

Lisa G

| Lisa G | Day: 9

Wait a minute, Mu, what was it exactly I was suppose to resend?

| Lisa G | Day: 9

Hutch (I always liked you better than Starsky anyway)-You are so right about parents. I give some of them a lot of credit for instilling the pursuit of greatness in their own children. Some who take an interest really serve their kids well. Some take TOO much of an interest when it really is themselves and their own agendas that are at stake (seen a lot of that) and some don't really care. The last bunch are the ones I worry about the most. So many children, forgotten in their own homes.

Hi Molly! I don't have much to say as of late. Not because the new folk are uninteresting, mind you. It's just that I've pretty much said my piece over and over again for a couple of years and I don't seem to contribute to get to know people anymore. Shame, really. This place is a social as well as informative forum. Getting to know people is one of the great things about it. We all come here for different reasons. But we have to remember that it's a community just like any other, and well, we CAN say hello now and then. So, Hi! How you doing tonight, dear lady from the near south?

Mu-check your e-box. I tried. Also, I haven't called Comcast yet. I was preoccupied last week and spent the weekend catching up on sleep. I didn't want to deal with the tech non-help that I always get. Why do I stay with them anyway? Thanks for your patience with me and my server.

Night to all!
LG

Because it's takin' him (us) so long, and we've got so far to go...

| ╡ | Day: 9

LG: see address above for a check and resend - had a "birp" Wednesday at the server level here, but naturally al the junk mail got through

molly: jazz and conversation with my foot under a Zamboni

Hey, is it just me or did Madonna warp the melody of Time Out of Mind (1980) for her own oney grubbing purposes in slick, morally ambivalent hit Papa Don't Preach (1986?)...I'm deadly serious...

| Molly | Day: 9

Angel and Lisa G. we can't post to you if you don't write! I'd love to read the posts of some of the oldsters here. I really get into a blue funk if I don't read anything by Miz Ducky, LP, Mu ect... But thank you for welcoming me (us). Some have made me feel rather unwanted... lol lol
I think if there were some actual news about our guys to report, we'd all do better.
In friendship and peace, M.

| angel | Day: 9

Mr. Sticks: Ok, I'll bite, since my husband and I never did figure it out. What the heck were those Blue Drinks at the Studio Cafe? Seemed almost everyone around us was drinking them, the last time you all performed there.

Lisa G: Yes, getting very hard to find a regular in the house.

Mu: I tried 2 times to send you a return email and it failed both times. What's going on with that?
Appreciate what you sent, by the way. :-)

Ducky: You stayed with Love Bob? I can't believe it! Great color on the whole weekend.

For those in the States, VH1 is running an edited version of the Rock part of the Queen's Jubilee Concert tonight at 9P. I may check it out to see what the whole hub bub was about.

| Hutch | Day: 9

LG - I've met a lot of really intelligent teenagers too. And I think it's the parents we have to thank for that. The schools are dishing out the knowledge and doing it as well as they can but ultimately it's up to the parents to see to it that their child is brought up in an environment that encourages learning. Just my thinking on it.

Actually I believe no one is actually BURIED in Grant's Tomb. Grant is there but his body is above ground.

Check this out... During the Civil War Jefferson Davis was elected President of the Confederacy and moved into the "Confederate White House" which is here in Richmond. There was a young black girl who worked at the mansion as a servant. She would come and go dusting and cleaning as Davis and his cabinet were working out plans. Turns out she had an almost photographic memory and she was working for the North as a spy! She would look at documents on the desk as she was cleaning and relay the info. Jefferson Davis didn't have a clue.

Hutch

| LG | Day: 9

Hutch-most of the schools in this country actually make a difference DESPITE the average cluelessness of our society. I can tell you stories about blissful ignorance.

But hey now, who's buried in Grant's Tomb?

| Hutch | Day: 9

Glad to see Lennox Lewis whip Tyson. I never had much respect for Mike Tyson. Most heavyweight champions through the years displayed a certain amount of humility. Of course Ali appeared to be just the opposite but I think most people understood that he wasn't serious 99 percent of the time. Tyson just acts like a bully and that doesn't show much sportsmanship on his part. I see where a couple of psychologists are saying he's bi-polar. If that's the case he should get out of boxing and get some help.

Dogmeat - I agree. Quite juvenile and a waste of time and space. And the sick, cheap slash at MC was totally stupid. Wasn't that the same person who blasted St.Al on the prescription confidentiality thing when the point had already been made? That's called the "flame first and put brain in gear later" technique.

Speaking of putting brains in gear, I hope this re-organization Shrub (little Bush) is doing will get these people doing what they're supposed to be doing. Judging from the testimony of the FBI whistle-blower it's nothing more than the same back biting and ladder climbing that flourishes at any big company. And of course it all boils down to the love of money and power. It sure backfired on them in this case and I hope it opens some eyes.
Somehow it seems to me that we were smarter and craftier in our abilities to fight an enemy back during World War II. We and our allies broke codes and used spies effectively to bring about an end to the war. We were on a mission that overrode any personal turf battles. Not so today.
What really scares me is the downright cluelessness that exists among a good percentage of young people today. Is this what the future will bring? I don't know if it's the fault of the schools, the parents or the kids. And I'm not just talking about teenagers. If we lose knowledge of our history and culture we will lose it all in the end. Jay Leno does a little bit on the Tonight Show where he goes out on the street and asks people simple questions that really, IMO, anyone should know and it really saddens me to hear some of the responses.
Examples: How many known planets in our solar system? Answer: "Uh, twenty"? Or "Who was President of the United States during the Civil War"? Answer: Uh, Jimmy Carter"? Sometimes he goes on college campuses... COLLEGE CAMPUSES!! and he gets these kind of responses! I'd be afraid to ask some of these young dummies a question like "Does the Earth circle the Sun or does the Sun circle the Earth"?
No, today we are much more into ourselves. So many people seem to go through their lives like a horse wearing blinders. Tunnel vision. "I'm into me and my wants and needs. I don't care about the rest of the world. Why should I bother to learn anything about history. It doesn't have anything to do with me and my life". Shallow, shallow people.

Okay. I'm through now.

Hutch

| Mr Sticks | Day: 9

The Top 10 Reasons to Go Out and see Steely Fan Band Friday night:

1)Steely Dan music..LIVE!

2)Studio Cafe is on the boardwalk on the beach in Newport!

3)It's free!

4)Steely Dan music..LIVE

5)It's the unoffical start of summer!

6)Funloving girls and guys hanging out at the beach

7)You can ride your bike back home(Locals only)

8)The return of original lead singer..Mr.Pipes!(J)

9)Killer Blue drinks

10)Steely Dan music ..LIVE..AND FREE!

There you have it!
Join us THIS FRIDAY NIGHT, JUNE 14,2002-8PM!
The Studio Cafe
100 Main Street
Newport Beach,Ca.92660

www.steelyfanband.com

| Steveedan | Day: 9

Fingers Shotan -

I am sitting in chat with the silent Sophie right now. Someone came in and went out quickly named "fINGERS".

Was that you ? I want to talk to you or have you e-mail me ... please.

Leadfingers (BL, MD, and keyboard man for PL)

| Lisa G | Day: 9

Um, what the hell is happening to this place? Oh yeah. Withdrawal. Ok, I think some introductions are in order. A-hem...

Salutations, I'm Lisa G. Been on this GB for nearly two years now. While I am neither your host(ess) nor an elder in this place, I feel it is only polite to offer a formal greeting. After a brief hiatus, I've noticed that several new faces have come on the scene. With careful reading (God I need a life) I have discerned that many of the handles I've been seeing over the past two weeks are in fact real handles and not some poor excuse anonymouspsueudocowardnymcompoop for a moniker. Therefore, I feel compelled to say hello to the new comers (who seem to be discussing mostly with each other). You may notice that veterans to this board seldom post, with the exception of Clas and our moderator.

By the way, lp, thanks for the link to "Flame Warriors." It was not only brilliant, but gosh, gee, I couldn't help but see a lot of folks here, including myself, among those pages. Nice to be able to laugh at ourselves.

Mu-good to have you back.

Where is steviedan these days?

| Molly | Day: 9

Hi everybody! Miss hearing from my GB sisters.....Hope all is well.
Bluz, sorry love! I lost myself in my painting.....I haven't been to bed yet. I get rather obsessive ya know.... Talk soon? :)
BB, no black furs for me..... Do have a coat made of coyote fur that my artic ranger gave me one Christmas... I never wear it though. :) I hate the thought of a poor naked coyote.... lol
Jack, hi sweetness! My messenger still isn't working, but I'll catch ya later. Someday when you are older please read "Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam of Naishapur" by Edward Fitzgerald, and remember your old Auntie M. lol lol
Mick, just sending good vibes your way. Hope you're doing okay.
well i'm off to take the brood swimming... :)
Be peaceful and Loving M.

| dogmeat | Day: 9

Could the "comedian" (and I use the term loosely) who likes to see themself typing celebrity one liners

PLEASE STOP!

Go find a teenage chat room pronto, please.

NO defense, just STOP!

| Lennox Lewis's Left & Right Ears | Day: 9

Whew...

| act natural..like you don't care | Day: 9

groove
..e

don't bother to understand

bluz

| Bill | Day: 8

Well, here it is straight from CNN Sports Illustrated...

"In the 7th round Lewis landed 31 punches to 4 from Tyson.
Now he comes out in the 8th and jabs some more. Tyson lands
a right to the body and Lewis begins circling him. Lewis lands
a right and then a left uppercut. Tyson's knees buckle and
Cotton (the referee) rules it a knockdown. Lewis goes after
him landing a right with 1:18 left. Lewis batters Tyson with
lefts and rights. Tyson throw a wild right but he has nothing
left. Lewis' right hand crumples Tyson on canvas. He's on his
back and tries to get up at 8. Fight is stopped.
LEWIS WINS BY K.O. "

While I never really cared for the post-Cus D'mato Mike Tyson,
I feel pretty sad for him right now. It's sad to see a person
who started with such promise, end it all this way. When
Tyson first came on the scene back in the 80's, he seemed to
be like a storybook superhero. He was a smart, insightful,
well-studied in his art, and even charming. After his mentor
Cus D'mato died, he seemed to lose his way. He fell in which
the gangsta rapper crowd, became distracted and confused, and
generally went insane. It's a lesson in life and a lesson in
excess I suppose, but mainly a lesson about fame and the
possible negative effects of it. Mike Tyson had the ability
to be a truly important historical figure to the boxing world,
but instead he's just another bum, another has-been, and
another example of what not to do should fame come calling
for you.

| Howard Cosell | Day: 8

And at the end of round #4, Michael Tyson appears to be recieving
a boxing lesson from one Lennox Lewis. More to come..

| Groucho, Harpo, and Zeppo | Day: 8

They owe US don't they?

| The Inventor of The Pet Rock | Day: 8

The owe ME for sure.

| I.M.Weasel | Day: 8

Heck no!
They owe me and the baboon over here.

| the crossroads | Day: 8

Robert Johnson/
yes

"may you all jump the broom someday"

bluz

| lp, after a bottle of clos du bois | Day: 8

wasn't it nice when we just subtly discussed the concept of cleavage?

subtly (sp check) being the operative word, hiccup...

is saturday night live on soon, oh go i hope so!

wait, i think i see dean martin over there...

| Charles Brown and Robert Johnson @ Heaven | Day: 8

No one has owed us as much nor paid back with as much interest...

| Beerberian | Day: 8

Moll; HBuns do you by any chance also ......possess black furs? (he's off on one now)

Clas; This is not chat .....it's way, way transending that ! ( F' me is that a lyric ?)

| Beerberian | Day: 8

bluz; toooo much man ???? ....I need to think this one thru .. I loved (lusted after) that lady BUT 'twas a LONG time agoooooooo ..omg old wounds ....

| Molly | Day: 8

WHOO HOO!!!! The Festival has been are roaring sucess!
Midnite Cruiser, loved the photo... all those lush colors.
BB, If I ever shook your peaches sweetness, there'd be no going back for you......LOL lol LOL By the way, I drive an old MG! Are you surprised?
Bluz, my honey baby someday you'll tell me i'm your Only witch! You'd have loved our little Festival. Kids laughing and playing, music everywhere. It was great!
St.Al you're still the best looking man I've seen in a month.
Clas, Hi sugarman!

| rev..off | Day: 8

beerb..dig it
I hear the word
I see the face
you've got the car
but lost the race

I bet you've got a sports car

| Beerberian | Day: 8

Bluz;I bet u drive a sports car.........

| the sound... | Day: 8

bearsballa..and my lady..it was thom bell in philly along w/
gamble and huff..i was there and in the city she doesn't still get it..

unlike those who are dear..i keep my shit close ..if you must go
to the library of congress where my work is then go

and please write a lady who knows..www.tzuke.com

bluz

| Beerberian | Day: 8

And .....another thing The "Philly Sound" cured my Acne ...pictures @ 10 BONG !!!!!!!!

| Beerberian | Day: 8

Clas; Get in here NOW !..these guys r talkin' BOLLOCKS ....with a capital T

Impostinators; Debt of honour due to WGAF ?????? D&W were/are/will be, now off you go back to chat ......LOL ....where have I heard that (repeatedly) b4???

and ........ relax...... I have never met Napoleon .Qu'est ce qui ce pas ?

| Chicken Sandwich | Day: 8

and man do they owe the memory of Willie dixon if they owe
anyone...thanks for remembering Jimmy Reed..god bless the memory
of that cat !

bluz

| Miz Ducky | Day: 8

Featured in the URL link at the top of this post: my write-up of the Rockola "Sgt. Pepper" gig. (Geez, was it only last weekend? Time flies when you're having. Whatever I was having.) Anyway--enjoy!

/the Mam'zelle
(fearless grrl reporter)

| Minute Maid Field - not just for breakfast anymore | Day: 8

I won't mention what St. Al's wife and I do every day...

| StAlphonzo @the Alamo | Day: 8

Don't they have anything better to do in Texas?

| Zog - Houston, we're the problem... | Day: 8

Bow down before Zog!

| Gamble & Huff | Day: 8

Do you like our hats? They owe us.

| Siegfreid & Roy | Day: 8

We wore the spangled leather ponchos first. They owe us.

| Lewis & Clark | Day: 8

The old man in Oregon owes us.

| Boyce & Hart | Day: 8

They owe the one more chimp who isn't here...

| Lieber & Stoller | Day: 8

The don't love me, but they owe me just the same..

| I want my Webtv | Day: 8

St Al- Did you or you wife ever hear of 'patient confidentiality'. I'm sure Mr.Vedder has. Stick it up your ass school boy!

| Jimmy Reed | Day: 8

Damn that Donald anyway...had a hit movie off'n me and not even a how-dee-do. Not to mention them cats in the Rolling Stones!

| Moist Towelettes | Day: 8

They owe ME.

| Moises Alou | Day: 8

Man, do I owe the Cubs - can't even hit near my weight...

| Mose Allison | Day: 8

Do I have to spell ot out for you?

| Hermann Hesse | Day: 8

They all owe me, even Denny Dias.

| Red Buttons - I'll be here through Thursday... | Day: 8

I never got a dinner...

| Tyson Chicken | Day: 8

Will that be a package of thighs or drumsticks?

| Hunter S. Thompson | Day: 8

Hey, I want my reindeer back. BTW, Tyson by knock out or bite out by round 4 tonight...

| William Gibson | Day: 8

Do I owe Donald or does he owe me?

| Bill Burroughs | Day: 8

Now come on...you know they owe it all to me. Even if they wouldn't come to lunch when invited.

| StAlphonzo | Day: 8

So my wife just tells me she filled a prescription for Eddie Vedder on Thursday (she wont tell me what the script was for). The worst part is she was at lunch when he came to pick it up. Can you believe it? No idle chit-chat -- no "Hey Ed -- how's the new album going?" No champagne -- nothing.

Lunch is for losers...

To the WEBTV putz who posted 2245 -- fuck man, crawl back under that rock you deprived shit. Why do insist on spewing all over this message board? Get a friggin' life pal.

StAl

| Wailin' Jennings - high above Luckenbach | Day: 8

So am I...

| Big Bopper | Day: 8

Man, I'm glad I went down with that plane. That's all I had...

| Chubby Checker | Day: 8

Mr Fagen, please cover "The Twist" on your next solo project...pretty please...

| Jack Nicholson | Day: 8

You want that wall of sound...you need that wall of sound...

| Boz Scaggs | Day: 8

I had Jeff Porcaro use the Second Arrangement re-recording drum roll on "Miss Sun." It turned out not to be the monster hit I thought it would be, so I sat out the 80s also. They owe me...

| Wayne Shorter | Day: 8

...at least I listened to Miles. They OWE me...

| Miles Davis | Day: 8

hehhhh...why did I give it away...

| Keith Jarrett - a million monkeys on a million pianos | Day: 8

Every Western melody that has ever been or will be recorded are randomly dispersed and merged within all my ivory meanderings...the OWE me much more than one mention on Gaucho...

| Duke Ellington | Day: 8

They owe it all to me...my Estate is wating for the royalty checks...

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 8

Duncan....here's some wallpaper for you if you like it....it's a bit trippy but I had fun doing it....originally from a photo I took last week while walking and modified in Photoshop.

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Butterfly2.jpg

or click on the URL thingy above.

| dragon & miles and more miles and buddy miles.......... | Day: 8

dragon
I use # 8 and 14 already

bluz

| Fats Domino | Day: 8

Who owes who what?

| Miles Davis | Day: 8

They owe it all to who?

| Sonny Rollins | Day: 8

Hell no Cats! They owe it ALL to me!

| Gary Katz | Day: 8

No,no,no...they owe it all to me!

I'm the one who discovered em'! Me, me, me, me, me!

| Jay Black | Day: 8

They owe it all to me!
They owe it all to me ok!

...Jeez, give these two guys a break and as soon as they make it
big they forget all about ya'...

| Dragon | Day: 7

How To Keep A Healthy Level Of Insanity

1. At lunch time, sit in your parked car with sunglasses on and point a hair dryer at passing cars. See if they slow down.

2. Page yourself over the intercom. Don't disguise your voice.

3. Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that.

4. Put your garbage can on your desk and label it "in"

5. Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has Gotten over their caffeine addictions, switch to espresso.

6. In the memo field of all your checks, write "for sexual favors".

7. Finish all your sentences with "in accordance with the prophecy."

8. Dont use any punctuation marks

9. As often as possible, skip rather than walk.

10. Ask people what sex they are. Laugh hysterically after they answer.

11. Specify that your drive-through order is "to go".

12. Sing along at the opera.

13. Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme.

14. Put mosquito netting around your work area. Play a tape of jungle sounds all day.

15. Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party because you're not in the mood.

16. Have your coworkers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard Kim.

17. When the money comes out the ATM, scream "I won!", "I won!" "3rd time this week!!!!!"

18. When leaving the zoo, start running towards the parking lot, yelling "run for your lives, they're loose!!"

19. Tell your children over dinner. "due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go."

| Have a Drink MC... | Day: 7

Midnite Cruiser- I would rather watch someone get their head chopped off than sit in my backyard and watch birds fly onto my feeder box.

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 7

Aja....that same story is national news....I've been listening to the reports over the past few weeks and I figured the parents personal lives would be very much on trial before it was over....while I may not share their lifestyle ideals, I don't think it's any more right to persecute them than it is to say a woman was "asking for it" during a rape trial because of what she was wearing....but I understand the difference between idealism and reality in the day to day world too.

still groovin' to Sade's Lover's Live....great mix of new and old and a very tight performance from a kickin' band.

| Beerberian | Day: 7

GBers; I'll say nothin ........ YEAH RIGHT !!!!!!! I HAD A DREAM ...no more

Moll; Just Hi ... now I am forbidden fruit ....well OK you can shake my peaches ...lol (paraPHRASE away)

ROTW; 1 small goal for Englandkind ....ONE HUGE F*** UP THE A*** for Bodacious Cowboys Everywhere ...... Nuff said ???

I have never met Napoleon .....does he play for Brazil ?

and ............... relax

| Aja.............waiting for the bell to ring | Day: 7

I say we implement MC's suggestion of legalizing pot and taxing the shit out of it-LOL!

We have our own little morbid, voyeuristic, three ring circus going on locally. A 7 year old girl was kidnapped and murdered, and the trial of the accused is focusing on the sex lives of the girl's upscale parents, who were swingers and smoked pot. Don't think that your private life is really private, folks, one twist of fate can flip it inside out so every reporter can crawl up your @$$ with a microscope.

On that note, I'm outta here!

Aja

| Robot | Day: 7

796235-89625

Bill

Pushing VU meter. Off the charts. Must step back. Contain.

Bill

549806236-5128965

| Sick Bastard | Day: 7

The thing is it's not really the execution itself that you'd want to see but the propaganda surrounding it, the context, the editing. This is telling of the Islamist discourse about us, in all its violence. And that, the people have every right to know about, at their discretion, of course.
Couldn't watch the gruesome part myself, mind you... I'm all for leaving that part out, if you ask me. When the cursor reaches the halfway point on the viewer, maybe you shouldn't go any further. My advice.

| Molly | Day: 7

Midnite Cruiser, My guess it's the same sick f**ks that watch snuff films and Jerry Springer's show.... We've reached a new level of depravity. No wonder so many people are living in quiet desperation.
Jack, thinking of you still ....hope all is well.
Mick, still glad you're back!

| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 7

my question is, what sort of sick bastard wants to see Daniel Pearl die on a videotape? even morbid curiosity should have some limits.

re: the illegal drug thread....make marijuana legal and tax the ever lovin' shit out of it....keep the rest illegal.

either that or let's go back to Prohibition days and ban alcohol along with the rest....just MHO.

I make no apologies for my opinions and respect those of others, even if I don't agree.

| What, me Squeamish? | Day: 7

http://prohosters.com/pearl/

Someone is defying the FBI over there and broadcasting the Pearl video.
But you didn't hear it from me.

| ╡ | Day: 7

Aja: I'm looking forward to my second childhood...starting about...now

| Aja..........my drug of choice: Fridays! | Day: 7

I was going to adamantly disagree with St. Al's statement that wanting to alter your state of consciousness is innate until I read that sex, chocolate, and exercise bind to the same receptors as opiates. I can't stand artificial highs (and I experienced quite a few in my 20's so I know what I'm talking about!) but natural ones can't be beat. I caught the greatest high from a 90 minute run last Sunday afternoon, and the only after effect was my heart, lungs, muscles, and bones got stronger.

You're right, Gina, George Bush is a monkey, but he's not really President-it just looks that way.

Aja

| Molly | Day: 7

ST AL and LP you both have given me more information then I've ever wanted to know..... lol lol

| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 7

Greetings from Hooterville! I don't want to get into a debate about drug use with anyone. I've had some very painful personal experiences which would cloud my ability to be rational about the subject. From my experiences I can only say most of the people I've ever known with substance abuse problems were trying to self medicate. The pain and destruction that I've seen as a result from drugs angers and saddens me. It's truly a waste.
YGK, good to see your posts. You have a dirty mind! I like that in a person. :)
Bluz, honey man tell me i'm your favorite witch! lol lol :) Thanks for the sweet post, you're such a romantic!
Mu, glad you're back. I missed your posts.
Gina, one's reality is shaped by ones perceptions. I like people.(especially men) As Aja said, just be lighthearted and fun. My time is rather limited. I have a few things in my life that border on obsessions.It's understood that if I'm spending time with a person instead of one of my passions, then whomever i'm with should be polite enough to give me their attention. If they can not do so ,then I'll find someone else to spend my time with. I try to treat that person with the same respect. I turn my cell phone off....ect...
well im off to my garden now...
be peaceful and loving M.

| Arthur Jones | Day: 7

I invented Nautilus and I smear chocolate on St. Al's wife at least 3 times/week...

| He said member | Day: 7

I'm a productive member of society. I smoke pot daily and I also have sex with St. Alphonzo's wife once a week (she's a busy parent). Stop the war on drugs madness!

| RudeWaitress | Day: 7

Hey..you told me to hold the mayo, quit complaining that the "chicken sandwich" is dry. You ordered it...now you eat it !

ps...Oh, and be sure to tip your waitress !

| Bill | Day: 7

Pat,

I hear you.
Everyone I know has used some form of recreational drug, whether
it was Pot or Alcohol or pills or whatever. Hey I smoked my share
of pot and drank my share of alcohol too, but when a person
decides (emphasis on "decides") to move on to a really hard drug
like Heroin, then that person has a serious problem and the
root cause of the problem is psychological IMHO. Most physicians
will support this fact.

It's not like the person is making a blind decision when first
deciding to use Heroin, they know the risks associated and decide
to do it anyway. This shows a certain lack of self worth and rather
than take the drug, that person should seek psychological help
instead. Pot won't kill you the first time you use it, Alcohol
probably won't, pills might not, but Heroin can kill you anytime
you use it. A decision to use hard drugs like Herion displays a
basic psychological problem for the one deciding to take it.

Still, a person should have complete control over thier own
destiny in this world. The government should'nt try to stop
me from harming myself and hide behind the "It's for your own
good" argument. This is the reason I don't agree with the Seat
Belt laws in most states; it's a matter of personal safety,
the goverment should'nt force me to wear my seatbelt "for my own
good", that should be my decision; right or wrong.

So I do agree with you on Section 416A of that bill. It's
another attempt to limit our personal freedoms. While people
don't always do the right thing, they should be given the freedom
to decide what the right thing is for themselves.

| lp | Day: 7

LOL YGK!

tylenol with codeine is my drug of choice for smuggling from japan, canada and london - it solves ALOT of problems - woops, did i just say smuggle - wonder if this place is being monitored by the fbi (can you imagine doing THAT for a living?)

anyway, we keep it carefully stashed in tissue paper

what's up with the oxycontin craze? the cvs in the town i work in has been broken into to steal it three times this past year?

take your codeine and shut up, i say

and once a week, st al - that's good, about right for me too - LOL - and it gets scheduled, you know my night meeting schedule is a killer

| YGK | Day: 7

I heard this new song today, from this band called Steely Dan. I think it was called Jack off Steve!
Great Title!

ygk

| ╡ | Day: 7

Jason: So sorry to hear - that is exactly my point. Most physiological systems and evolutionary jaunts are designed to pursue *homeostasis* or equilibrium....many, many people are desparate for their minor world to fall together again...keep your chin up...

Perhaps the desire to "escape" or the desire for "wanderlust" or lack of self esteem is expressed as a desire for mind altering drugs. The first 2 are natural instincts: the desisre to move away from what the limbic system perceives as dangerous or irritating situation and when we have another choice, even for a while...wanderlust is important in finding new food, spreading the seed, etc...otherwise it's Cousin Dupree or the Royal Families of Europe or something...

Gina: Gingko Biloba, Ginseng, Vitamin E - some clarification: none of these are directly psychoactive or mind altering.

The preponderance of the literature sez that ginseng doesn't appear to do much of anything.

Ginkgo biloba can cause vasodilation of brain arteries and arterioles increasing blood flow. It is also an inti-inflammatory which works agains an enzyme called inducible nitric oxide synthase, which normally fights infections short term, but chronic high levels contribute to Parkinson's, Alzheimner's, aging in the brain, and heart disease...Thus Ginkgo may help the brain by maintaining equilibrium...As with many herbals, there are dangers that are not required to be listed on the labels (because it comes under the umbrella of nutritional supplement). For example, the combination of high ginkgo + aspirin may lead to hemorrhage

Vitamin E can act as an antioxidant especially against lipid oxidation (the lipids are fats in cell membranes and glial cells - support cells for neurons). Especially when combined with lipoic acid, it MAY reduce brain aging, Alzheimer's, and heart disease...again, aiding the maintenance of homeostasis...

| StAlphonzo | Day: 7

Bill: You're oversimplifying a very complicated issue. We all have problems that cause us to go in different directions. Nature of the beast. Furthermore, because it is innate human nature to want to alter your state of consciousness (had to say it again), this is too often the path we take when things go a little south. Though it isn't something you can relate to, addiction to a chemical is no different than other deviant or destructive behavoir we all exhibit at sometime in our lives. THe bad thing about heroine is it only take a few times. So while the person might be using something as a way to escape an immediate problem, it quickly takes over what would otherwise be rational thinking and they loose control. Though I understand we're basically on the same side of the fence here, I think it is important that we try not to be so judgmental when approaching the topic of drugs for this is what is killing the debate.

Pat

| StAlphonzo | Day: 7

Gina -- Excellent post. If you can't look in the mirror and see your foibles then you can't change. Even when that mirror is being held by a goddamn foreigner :). Although I disagree with one line -- "guns are always lethal." As someone who enjoys skeet-shooting and "plunking" (target practice on old AOL CD's and other junk hanging around the garage) I'd disagree with such a blanket statement.

Clas -- For someone who lives in what I'd consider a fairly enlightened country, how do you remain so clueless?

I smoke pot about a half dozen times a year, and only in social situations. I take some form of psychedelics maybe once (Like Leary said -- to clear the cobwebs) that's it. I drink a couple times a month (maybe). I work, I own a house, I am a (good) father, I support local causes, I support the police and I pay may taxes. I am a good citizen. FUCKING A RIGHT I'm going to whine about it. I, like so many other "Americans," I resent the fact that so much money is being diverted into this folly called "The War On Drugs." We can't even properly care for our own, let alone support your tiny little country. Your consistent anti-drug rhetoric is the same exact problem many people suffer from in this country and it serves no point. It clouds the real issues and it gets in the way of any real progress.

Hey, and another thing...What you call solidarity, I call communism (which doesn't work by the way). With few exceptions the government is not, and should NEVER be in the business of legislating morality. PERIOD!

Oh, I forgot... I eat a fair amount of chocolate (it shows), I exercise at 3-4 times a week (starting to show) and I have sex (with my wife) at LEAST once a week (which may, or may not count towards exercising). Hey, we're busy parents...

Do you think I have a problem?

But again I really think we all need to stay focused on the original post. If you are a US citizen I URGE you to call/write/email your congressperson and tell them to remove section 305/416A from HR 3782. It is NOT about legalizing drugs. This is about our fundamental rights as citizens of the USA, and the fact it could have serious implications on the music/entertainment scene. Something we should all agree on.

Pat

| Bill | Day: 7

Clas the ass,

You'll say anything for a response won't you...

"...and you would'nt say that the reason One of Our Boys became
a junkie at a certain point in time, was because he had a deeper
psychological problem, would you Bill?"

Yes I would.
He was a kid at the time and he made a mistake, a big one.
It's like this Clas, when you're desire to get high begins to
override your desire for self-preservation, YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
When you decide to stick a needle in your arm which is full of a
chemical that can cause your death, just to get high, YOU'VE
GOT A PROBLEM. And not a small problem either, and not a simple
problem of chemical addiction either. You've got a self esteem
problem. The fact that you're playing fast and loose with your
life, just to get high, mean's that you don't care about yourself;
and if you don't care about yourself, then you're sick.

So the problem begins with faulty reasoning and low self-worth,
the chemical addiction is secondary to that. But in your case
Clas, don't listen to that little voice in your head that's
telling you to stop...when you get the urge, just go with it.

| Bad Sneakers | Day: 7

Cough

great performance

Spew

Well done

Vomit

Best team wom

Choke

Hope you go on and win it

...... I'm off for ten pints of Burtons

| Glamour Profession | Day: 7

Regarding Phil Jackson, I believe a scribe in the sports field made a metaphoric comparison some months ago between Mr. Jackson and one of us. Perhaps this athletic emanuensis was in attendance at one of the shows on our barnstorming tour in the Bicentennial year, having overindulged in one plastic cup too many of box chardonnay, possibly to wash down a hastily-gulped handful of indeterminate green-and-yellow caplets; but at any rate, this unfortunate scribbler evidently confused a guitar solo that was, shall we say, the essence of economy (yes, on some nights we too sometimes felt the afterburn of the previous evening's furtive pleasures) with Mr. Jackson's laconic style of coaching, and thereby published an athletic/esthetic comparison which still, we admit, rankles. But such is life as a pop icon.

| Howard | Day: 7

ENG - ERR - LAND!

We did it!

Howard

| Howard | Day: 7

Eng - err - land!

| HA HA HA! | Day: 7

This is fridging too funny:

ôIrony and sarcasm are completely lost on Android...ö

| HA! | Day: 7

ôCyber Sisters are an extremely fierce confederation of fighting females who act something like a shrill Greek chorus, echoing and amplifying one another's voice until their foes retreat in disarray. They are generally leaderless, but anyone who challenges one Cyber Sister can expect to be savagely attacked by the others. Only the most powerful and battle-hardened of Warriors is strong enough to weather a Cyber Sisters attack.ö

Very funny LP, but I couldn't find myself there... humhum,

| Luckless Pedestrian, again | Day: 7

your comic for the morning:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cx/uc/20020607/nq/nq020607l.html?u

| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 7

hey, check this out, had time to only read a few, but the ones i read were pretty funny:

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

| C | Day: 7

Gina - guns?

Imagine a Heroin-addict on Cold Turkey with a gun. That's scary stuff.

Or a paranoid Coke-head with a machine gun.

You can't isolate those issues.

I know the gringos are trying, but they are coming up short every time.

| And more; | Day: 7

Bill says:

"...but who am I to tell them what to do with their own bodies and minds?"

I think we SHOULD tell people WHAT to do with their own minds and bodies. It's called solidarity, and respect.

And if we don't, you and your kids Bill, will be exposed to an epidemic of giant proportions.

I know you're a selfish asshole.

Try to be a SMART selfish asshole.

| And here's a simple answer for Bill; | Day: 7

People are using harder drugs because harder drugs are more addictive. That's why.

If you use, let's say, Heroin for a week or a month or a year, just for fun, partying and so, getting out of it gets pretty rough. It's called Cold Turkey.

YOU would get hooked on it, I would, Garcia (Grateful Dead) did, Walter Becker too. It has nothing to do with having a "deeper psychological problem that causes them to do it".

It's a chemical addiction. You've heard about those rats that could chose either to get food or get Cocaine?

100 percent of the rats ended up as Coke addicts.

You wouldn't say that the rats had deeper psychological problems that caused them to chose Coke instead of food, would you?

And you wouldn't say that the reason One of Our Boys became a junkie at a certain point in time, was because he had a deeper psychological problem, would you Bill?

| Gina | Day: 7

The Netherlands still produce most of the XTC pills and for some years now they're trying to put a lid on it. We had the house parties going underground or to Belgium, we had and have the dance clubs. While it's common knowledge cocaine is served on a platter in the entertainment circles for decades ... just as common as champagne, right?
They can't get this thing under control in our small country, let alone in such a vast continent as the U.S.A.
Gingko Biloba, Gin Seng, Vitamin E etc. also broaden one's awareness or stimulate the braincells, what about "smart" drugs, the mushroom, the herbs .. drugs can be part of socializing, cultural heritage.
Taking drugs doesn't always lead to addiction. Any kind of addiction says more about the individual, without passing judgment by the way!
I think guns and weapons are a greater danger than drugs. Drugs don't always automatically hook up with violence, do they?
Can't say the same for guns. They are lethal, one way or another.
Tough call, this one. And another sign of the puritan heritage your country can't kick. Not just your country.
But apparently violence, war and nuclear weapons are okay. And drugs are the enemy. Didn't some of those young adults who were once shipped off to Vietnam manage to deal with the horror there, simply with the "help" of drugs???
We can discuss and debate all we like. There will always be senators and emperors ruling thumbs up or down, crowds getting high on the adrenaline of gladiators fighting the wild animals. The beast is in us.
And you got a monkey for a president. Some precedent ...

| Chicken Sandwich | Day: 7

hold the mayo"

Easy on the ice..in the next summer of our love

bluz

p.s. thanks for the dee dee..obit.
always makes me think of cher..at sonnys funeral
when your gone..your gone

the sun does set in the west

| Clas @ Work | Day: 7

StAl - ôIt is innate human nature to wish to alter your state of consciousness. Be it through meditation, exercise or a pill -- we ALL seek it.ö

Thanx for sharing.

Why don't you change your choice of drug Pat? Go for meditation instead for that potsmooking, it