User: Clas | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Bill Gates - Pompei? Well, maybe he does, the problem is that the only thing I know about Pompei is that it's a volcano. Italy.
No, Italy is NOT an US state, it's a country in Europe.
My dog's name is Pompe, and don't you ever forget that! He's a true companion and if he knew that you misspelled his name he'd go after you.
And on the other hand, if you're saying he's clever than me... well, maybe he'd save your ass.
dr Mu - ah, come on, lack of talent has never stopped me from doing music. A steady drummer and some old jazzmusicians. I use to stand at the studio outdoor giving my money away.
User: Bill Gates | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Pompei does look more intelligent than his master
64 bits sez we've lost our Window of Opportunity...the time of our time has come and gone...clock out
32 billion... 31 billion... 30 billion... 29 billion...28 billioni
User: C @ Work | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Right on. If I had a co-worker I'd give him a Mac.
POOOOOOMPE!
Come on here, I got a Big Mac here... you tired old dog.
User: Clas | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Thanks Steeve! Great. I get back to you on email.
Hej Lars.
User: Meg Ryan @ Joe's Volcano | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Crap, this isn't Clas' computer...must be his co-worker's...
User: Jim Hodder - The Great Beyond | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Don't forget I set the clock on all tracks for CTE and CBAT...some have tried to...
User: Jimbo | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Keith Carlock is on the cover of the new August 2003 issue of Modern Drummer magazine. He talks about working with our boys and with Wayne Krantz. Plus being the only drummer to play all tracks on a Steely Dan album. Oh, and he's from Mississippi.
User: Hutch | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Don't have a DVD-A player (yet) but I went out and bought Nightfly and Kama this weekend. Definitely worth the money (even without a DVD-A player) for DF's liner notes on Nightfly and the video for New Frontier. And the documentary/interview with both of them on Kama is really great. Very cool to see WB's studio. It's a blast to see that Snowbound video again after so long. Hilarious.
Showing my age department:
They're now showing reruns of Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges on the Outdoor Living cable channel. Man, I haven't seen that show in almost 35 years. I've never seen it in syndication before. Funny how just hearing the theme music at the end brings back a flood of memories.
A teenaged Beau Bridges played a young missionary in tonight's episode.
These are DF's comments from the Nightfly DVD-A about the last song and then a final paragraph...
"Walk Between Raindrops," the almost-sort-of-hopeful wrap-up tune, was written for an old girlfriend from Miami. The title is taken from a Jewish folktale in which a powerful magus-rebbi manages to get from his home to the temple during a thunderstorm without getting wet. I take a solo on the Hammond B3.
During the final mixdown of the album, I started to feel kind of funny, and that feeling turned into an even weirder feeling that had to do with work and love and the past and mortality and so forth. I wouldn't complete another cd until 1993. So I'm glad I made The Nightfly before a lot of the kid-ness was beat the hell out of me, as happens to us all.
Donald Fagen
Manahattan, September 2002
User: | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: From Dandom Digest, and Danfest Registry
http://www.dandom.com/danfests or click URL at above right
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003
From: Jim McKay < hoops@dandom.com>
Subject: DANFEST UPDATE: Raleigh/Carolinas, Balt-DC, ...
High lights of the Danfest goings-on.
See http://www.dandom.com/danfests for more details.
DANFEST-RALEIGH/CAROLINAS:
- 60 members on the Raleigh/Carolinas Danfest List
Nope! No show there BUT discussions are underway to charter a bus from the Carolinas to catch the Atlanta or Manassas show.
Sign up for their Danfest list at http://www.dandom.com/otherdanfests
DANFEST-BALT-DC: Countdown to Ecstasy Danfest
- 84 members on the Baltimore/DC Danfest List
This very active Danfest list is making plans to purchase a block of tickets and go en masse.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/baltdc
DANFESTS-EASTERN PENN:
(includes former DANFEST-POCONOS and HERSHEY)
- 21 members on the E.Pa. Danfest List
The Poconos Danfest list has been merged with the Hershey list for the "Eastern Pennsylvania" Danfest list. "Little Wild One" is organizing an event. Get on the list and start chatting.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/epa
enGORGEment'03:
- 34 members on the enGORGEment'03 Danfest List
SueDave and pals are planning a night-before party in Seattle and then another great wing-ding at the Gorge.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/engorgement
BOSTON RAG'03:
-106 members on the Boston Danfest List
Mark "Boston Rag" Drinan & "Sponge" Bill Griffin are cooking up another amazing Danfest for the Mansfield show with special Dan guests. In 2000 it was 70s SD tour soundsman, Dinky Dawson.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/boston
R E M I N D E R S
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DANFEST-L.A.:
- 88 members on the L.A. Danfest List
Includes discussion for the shows at Costa Mesa, Santa Barbara(if it happens) and L.A.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/la
DANFEST-GOLD RUSH TRIFECTA:
- NEW LIST
At the suggestion of several, fan discussion and meet-ups for Pas Robels, Kelseyville and Tahoe have been combined into one set of Danfests, dubbed by Ed_Beatty as the "GOLD RUSH TRIFECTA" since they all take place in the old Gold Rush territory.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/goldrushtrifecta
DANFESTS-NEW ENGLAND:
- 17 members on this Dand List
Danfest lists for Connecticut and Vermont have also been combined into one. If you were on the old Connecticut Danfest list, you are now on the New England Danfest list.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/newengland
DANFEST-AZ:
(Includes Phoenix)
- NEW LIST
Fans headed to the show in Phoenix should sign up for the DANFEST-AZ list. Chris Lonn is getting things organized.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/az
DANFEST-COLUMBUS:
- NEW LIST
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/columbus
DANFEST-ATLANTIC CITY:
- NEW LIST
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/atlanticcity
DANFEST-NYC:
- 161 members on this Danfest List
Covers shows for Holmdel, Jones Beach, & Roseland. Lady Bayside already has plans a'goin' for the Jones Beach show.
http://www.dandom.com/danfests/nyc
http://www.dandom.com/danfests
jim
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User: toenz | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: update: the promo stuff arrived last week (I just found it today...), and included posters (the cd cover with blurbs about the Grammys and the special edition) and a promo cd for in store play.
Seems Warners is finally waking up...
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Venona
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: angel: Best buy...or mebbe them all
I haven't paid attnetion to my gold CD/DVD-enhanced...but on the blue DVD-A
These are the gold letters (EZ to see at an angle against the Navy blue disc text paint
Steely h s o
h s ll i i i
c o c k
a a e green
x u wi n
h s o
I'm pretty sure these are double encrypted like those of the Verona decodings, released from Fed archives in 1996, of Stalin and Soviet correspondence with Alger Hiss and the rest...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Donald?
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Russ - doggone it don't burst my bubble with the Pixeleen. Lets look at this now, he's gonna have loads of help with the girls and maybe that Harvey guy along, this number rocks and unlike Almost Gothic, it's not a mood piece, they could have hidey-hole places for him to sneak in and out of in the song. And it's Carolyn's moment in the spotlight for cryin out loud, she's given a featured credit we haven't seen since Mike McDonald! I can't believe they wouldn't let her have perhaps her highest profile moment of her young career. Could they be that cruel?
Donald if you're out there: we DON'T CARE if you blow a clam on the high part, the Fandom needs its Pixeleeeen! (You can fix it later for the live album in 2005.)
User: angel | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: DACW: What code did I crack now? Best Buy, Green Book or the funny colored letters on the CD.
I discussed the possible trouble of having them do Pixeleen live, a few weeks ago. I pray that Donald does it anyway, but since he only did "Almost Gothic" that one time, due to the high note problem, I doubt he will. In spite of that, Donald please do Pixeleen. The children in the audience will love it and so will we.
User: Russ | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Based on recent tour history, i do not thinmk Fagen will want to sing anything live that's too difficult, so Pixelene may not make the set list this year. If there's too many words too remember or too many high notes to hit, they may shy away.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: DWAC - Atta boy, turning the kids into Steely fans. If John Ashcroft read SD lyrics he'd put you in the slammer for corrupting minors. What is the Donald going to do on the "video" line in performance? Maybe start it off and then slip out the side and let the ladies mop up? Slide down an octave? (I don't see him doing that somehow) Takes some stones to go up there at age 55; who of his contemporaries could? Maybe the slightly younger guys like Bono, Steve Perry, who?
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: tonez - no doubt it's Donald - listen to the way he phrases "Your"...a little lower on his register than usual and softer (I know 'cause I can sing it easily - Walter's more in my range)
angel: you've cracked the code...
Speaking of which, I noticed on the DVD-A DISC, the name of the "third leg" color encrypted into the text...
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Raja: Just the highest notes Dr. Fagen has ever attmpted, and at age 55 no less!...no bad at all, and the new little theme tacked onto the verse to chorus transition melody (nstead of the "be in the door at ten, again musical phrase") is just a triple chocolate, delctable morsel...
Lyrically, this evokes a nice visual image - a cross between a hottie Lara Croft with Josie and the Pussycats and the Powerpuff Girls...very 3-D perfect (as opposed to 2-D) realistic virtual Superteen superhero
My son is a big fan of the Pixeleen chorus call and response...now both kids are Danfans...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: DACW- What do you think is going on in the line "dancing in the video with gun and tamborine"? Donald starts it but then obviously cannot climb to the notes required on the word "video"? This is the only shaky part of the recording for me. What is going on there? And yes, this is THE vocal album. Pixeleen, vocally, is so rich.
User: dbeefy | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Dan collective eh? cool, the more the merrier!! will check out the website and see what I can do ...
dbeefy
User: Lars | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Hutch - you lucky one - MmcD's new been out in Europe for a mounth and there's no 'Too High' on it. I'll rush to Kazaa!
Hej Clas!
L
User: angel | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Found on my Best Buy bill for EMG. Title was abbreviated to "Everything Mu". I thought that was great. :-)
User: tnz | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: DACW - are you sure that's DF singing the first male voice on the bridge of "Pix"? Sounds like the male background singer takes a line or two to me...
User: DACW -oops, back to work | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: and Carolyn in the right channel at 2 o'clock...
User: DACW -oops, back to work | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Rajah: in the chorus, the lead and Carolyn's vocals on the call and and Carolyn in the right channel at 2 o'clock...
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Rajah: in the chorus, the lead and Carolyn's vocals on the call and response are in close proximity 11 o'clock for Donald and 1 o'clock for Carolyn. Note that the doubled up vocals and backround singers' vocals during the word "Pixeleen" are centered at 12 oclock, but also spread out across the entire soundscape creating that "wall of sound" effect . WOW!
During the bridge however, the call and response are farther apart. Donald's in the left channel at 10 o'clock abd Carolyn in the right channel at 10 o'clock...
When Carolyn replies: "Everything about me is different then doubles with Donald into "symmetrical and clean" as Pixeleen becomes Superteen - some Experiment above the garage?! - that's the highlight of the album IMO...and this notion even loops back into the IGY theme - looking back at more optimisitic times...if we can't create a better tomorrow, how about a better fantasy?!! ...mergers into the heart of EMG...
If Royal Scam is the "guitar album" then EMG is the "vocal album"
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Yup, yup, DACW, that Doobies album is STILL in rotation at my house. McD learned a buttload in his time with SD. The controcanto musical device is sorta like a guest or guests showing up at the door, it busts the party wide open. And when that guest is the exquisite Ms. Carolyn, it simply has to bring a big smile to your face. Get that lady a margarita. I know I'm going to jump out of my skin when and if they do it on opening night.
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: missing header - weird things happen when you use quotes
"I didn't get EMG, but when I looked at the lyrics...I got it "
User: DACW - | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Raja: The McDoobie McDoobie's made good use of Controcanto on the Minute By Minute (title track) in the chorus...that's a real nice R&B/jazz pop single recording that surprisingly made it to the top ten as a follow-up to the more obvious What a Fool Believes...Michael McDonald's vocals are just perfect for call and response...cool, that he's on the Motown label as well. 4 or 5 Wonder tunes digging deep Stevie's discography...MM should lose the fake drums though - remix Carlock into them - he'd be a great Mowtown SnareWhacker...
User: SteveeDan | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Clas - your charts have been e-mailed to you. Enjoy.
User: Hey DBEEFY | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Do yourself a big favour ... get out of the smoke and get to a Dan Collective gig check out the site www.thedancollective.co.uk You will get to meet several yellow lurkers I guarantee
User: Beerberian Hokey Pokey | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Gordon Giltrap @ The Pokey Hole Club Friday 27th June
Pokey my eyes out à IÆm ALL ears now
Virtuoso is a much overused descriptor û ôA performer on some instrument, as the violin or the piano, who excels in the technical part of his art; a brilliant concert playerö à well hereÆs a few more, expert, genius, maestro, master, rare talent à YET none of them quite hit the nail of that which we witnessed on Friday û whatÆs missing from this ? Well , how about emotion , feeling , sentiment and passion ? We had ALL of this in abundance, and so much mmmmmmmore !!
One man, four guitars and at least 20 fingers û must have been, right? How else could all those notes have cascaded melodiously forth à A truly memorable show delivered in such a natural and convivial manner. He even takes requests û ôLaylaö was all I could have wished for û EC woulda been proud hiself.
BeerberIan
User: Beerberian | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Steely Dan: Everything Must Go (Reprise)
A Steely Dan release is considered by the relevant anoraks as the equivalent of the passing of Haley's Comet. Fagen and Becker's hyper-meticulous, anal-retentive approach to studio production has paid the predictable dividends: excellent song-writing, a great sound and tight arrangements. Pixeleen's 'flash of spectacular thigh' and "Slang of Ages" hint darkly at middle-aged men "immaturing with age". The title track is sad and depressing - and effective - confirming the solid reputation of this great group.
By John Stevenson
Don't know about you guys n gals BUT I quite like the idea of "immaturing with age" ... LOL
User: DACW - My Ride's Here | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: C: Alas, I have no recording equipment or programming...but I make up for it with a lack of talent...
(Lunch with) Gina = either the Grim Reaper or Aging
User: C @ W | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: "Lunch with Gina" is pretty much like a Seinfeldt episode, that's my humble pie opinion.
User: duncan | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: steviedan:
Radiohead played at Glastonbury this weekend, was that what you saw ?
there calling it one of the best performances there ever !!!!
I did however like those vertical lights behind the stage, looked like a big equalizer.
User: dbeefy | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Attention London Danfans-
Stealing Dan (and Don)
Tuesday 1st July 2003 at the Bulls Head, Barnes (nearest rail station Barnes Bridge)
http://www.jwgrogan.demon.co.uk/main.htm
Anyone from here going ? I'm a bit of a newbie here and on the blue, this act look pretty good...
dbeefy
User: duncan | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Talent Alert !!!!
KATIE MELUA
cd single..''CLOSEST THING TO CRAZY''
*****
User: Clas | Month: 5 | Day: 30
Message: Stevie - I saw him back in -92 at the Bottom Line, Manhattan, with Bob Berg. He wasn't bad, but it was like; -I have to play the fast as I can and then get the hell out of here.
But then again, you sent me a Mike Stern CD, and it was great, it was a trip, sitting in headphones, leaning back, enjoying the ride.
And for my vacation; relaxed? I was a little drunk down at the countryhouse and decided to take a little trip with the bicycle. And of course; I fell like a long boled pine.
I am aching all over.
User: steviedan | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: it's a sunday kind of post, right before crossword. yeah, i'm just getting to it. cut the grass, finish the cello part, hang at st al's. puzzle beWARE...
duncan, radiohead. i caught a little on mtv2. that the one ? anyway, i agree. i own ok computer and maybe the one before that, but while i was watching i kept vascilating. yeah ! huh ? okay, nice ! whoa, that sucks ! the god-awfully out of tune upright piano that i'm sure they think is really "novel" prompted me to find another channel...
wormy, i saw that !
st al, thanx man. now, i had to test that one a bit til it flowed, so it wasn't exactly free-stylin'. unfortunately for now, with certain exceptions, we will have to agree on the decline of western popular music...
angel, it's all about the headphones. even when the wiff and kidz leave me alone, i'll turn on the speakers and five minutes in... the phones are back on. i'm used to the perfect balance whereever i may roam, tethered by the long cord. just watch the volume for excessive sound pressure level on the ol' drums...
stevEE, i think some folks are mixin' us up again like a steely mash-up, but hey, they'll figure it out. also picked up that zep dvd set. much better representation than "song remains the same". the three disc audio set is all totally different program and also kicks ass. i kinda hated to hear that...
clas, most importantly, are you now tanned, rested, and relaxed ? welcome back. in your absentia, there was some dissing of a mike stern show a while back at the hague. where did you see him when he dissappointed you ? maybe mister "fat time" had smoked some bad tulips or something...
hey to mz d, jdubz, sfrank, ed b, and other popper-inners...
where's ole ? oh where are ye, oleandra ?
User: C | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Rajah of Erase - call and response, we call it, in Sweden, "kontrapunkt" - "counterpoint". That's the Hallmark of Steely Dan.
User: Oh yeah; | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: dr Mu - great, but you don't need Pro Tools for making music. I'd love to hear your stuff.
/C
User: C @ W | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Steeve - okay, you don't have a scanner. But you're telling me you have the charts in a Word-text-file? How the hell does one do to notate/write music in the windows wordpad?
I tried this morning, but I gave up, I couldn't find the G-clef. Or the staff notation.
And where's my email address? How many times have I told you:
Under "support the musicians of the guestbook..." on the top of this page, or here:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
User: SteveeDan | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Hi - Mr. Malibu - how have you been? When's the next Project Object gig? I'm there with the rest of my Pretzel Logicians.
Clas -- I have finished my charts. If you have "Word for Windows" I can send them to you as an attachment. I forgot your e-mail address though.
By the way, it's not a matter of what I can't afford ... it's more a matter of what I can't afford not to afford.
Emmanuel - that was a lot of fun ... the Godwhacker track you did. Maybe you could do a "treatment" of the intro of Everything Must go ... and blend it with Ornette Coleman or something.
Has anyone mentioned the Led Zeppelin DVD here? I can't remember. I bought it yesterday and watched the 1st half of the 1st DVD. Holy crap! I have some old cassette recordings of their 1970 concerts that I taped off the FM radio ... I think it was "The King Bisquit Flower Hour" ... who remembers that show? So, I was familiar with the "live treatments" of the songs they played at the Royal Albert Hall ... but to see it ... and to see Bonzo play Moby Dick ... Wow.
Have a good week everyone ... and happy 4th of July at the end of it.
SteveeDan
User: jaydubz | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Hutch ~ Thanks for the heads-up on the new Mike McD album, bro!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Controcanto: Contro = against... canto = sing. To sing against the prevailing melody aka as in Pixeleen. She's Leaving Home by the Beatles is a prime example.
User: | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: C: How long were you on vacation? Don't you have social security or taxes to pay?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/29/international/europe/29AGIN.html?ex=1057464000&en=cdd13bb8ca30c8ed&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
User: W1P | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: I know very little about Ani Difranco but I was just sitting here listening to Music Choice and her song "Evolve" came on -- and from the opening I checked to see if it was an outtake from EMG. This cut sounds like what Nora Jones would sound like if she decided to back herself with a Danish backing band -- what an excellent track
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Hey $.02 and SF Knight: I know why people are having trouble with Pixeleen, although the consensus here seems to be it's pretty good. I happen to think it's fantastic. The call and response of Donald and Carolyn, "...flash back to cool summer nights, Freddie can we cut to the chase....et seq" is the closest thing we've had to Jobim & Gilberto in a long time. It's an old musical device from the operatic school really, the controcanto, as I remember from my voice Prof. many years ago. Carolyn Leonhart's vocal performance on this track alone deserves a Grammy or some such. She is a young lady who came to D&W's attention through her father, Jay, a great player in his own right. She has an angelic, crystaleen, if you will, quality to her voice, and she's absolutely otherworldly on Pixeleen. I bet you guys are both rockers; some of my younger friends who play the headbanging stuff also have this problem, and I think it has a lot to do with historical music perspective. I promise you, if you listen to this song turned UP please, with the lyrics, which in and of themselves are a short story or novel with many characters, you will fall in love with it. Carolyn's voice, if you give it a chance, will lift you up. Way up.
User: DACW - Iran so far away... | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: C: ...uhhhh, can you send me ProTools for the Mac? oohh yeah, and a German microphone... got some spoons, here, kazoo, upright piano, kid's guitar, ukelele...
...hey, pretend your piano is a Gringo - I want to hear you give it da buzness!
Clas' son does rock...
Emmanuel: It helps when we refinance your abode...days away and 1/3 of it spent...1/3 into (Gary) US Bonds
User: giving my $.02 (US) | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Some thoughts:
Everything must go (the song) sounds too much like Gaucho (the song) for me to get all that excited about it. The intro to the intro, whatever that's called, was probably to help differentiate the two.
The last mall is one of their best opening tracks. Only Black Cow and Trans-Island have I liked better.
I wish they wouldn't release a single until the album is 6 months old because when I first hear a track and understand that it's a "single" or "focus track", I judge it in terms of its hit potential and if it doesn't fly (as nothing has since I.G.Y scratched the top 40), then I feel the song is a failure. With Snowbound, I had already decided I loved the song, so when it later came out as a single and bombed, I didn't care. Blues Beach, Cousin Dupree, and Tomorrow's Girls I think of as songs that were contrived to be hits.
The songs sounds more alike than they have on anything since the Royal Scam.
Pixeleen, Slang of Ages, and Blues Beach will not stand the test of time. The rest will hold up reasonably well.
User: Let me recommend... | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: ...everyone to buy Jeff Young's two CD's.
Jeff played with Fagen at his "New York Rock & Soul Live at the Beacon". This is Jeff's own words:
Donald Fagen of Steely Dan heard the Youngsters one night and hired the whole band, first to play two songs with him for a benefit show at the Lone Star Cafe and then for a big show at New York's Beacon Theatre called "New York Rock & Soul Live at the Beacon". Jeff recalls that "we were the rhythm section behind Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald, Phoebe Snow and Boz Scaggs. I helped arrange the music with Donald and learned some valuable lessons about music, people and business."
Jeff Young has also played with Jackson Browne and Sting.
He's a great keyboardist, and for playing the Hammond he's outrageous.
His page:
http://www.sunsoulrecords.com/jymw.html
I emailed him and he sent me his two CD's. Not for free, 25 bucks.
Great stuff.
C
User: San Francisco Knight | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Gawd blimey guvnor!
Must be at least2 years since my last post!
Good to see Clas is still around! How are you mate?
Hutch, that McDonald album is pretty good. Voice is still in good shape!
EMG is nice. Title track is way the best (I don't like Pixeleen at all though).
Speaky soon
SFK
User: Clas | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emmanuel - I wrote the songs and I am playing keyboards. I am keeping a low profile, my chops are very dull. My son is playing the guitars. He's my pride and joy.
Let's say he'll BE my pride and joy as soon he picks up that damn cat of his, that for some strange reasons ended in me and my wifes apartment.
User: C @ White Americans | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Dr Mu or John or Crackwhore or whatever it is you're calling yourself these days;
Don't you think it's possible to do several thing at the same time? For example, wait for the new Steely Dan album, listen to it, analyze the lyrics, take care of your family, work hard and participate with a song on the Guestbook CD?
And on that, walk the dog five times a day.
On the other hand, you're from Texas... and look at that man, W Bush.
audi and out
/C
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Ok Rajah a new remix is being cooked up.
Clas, that's some class stuff! Just listened to all the tracks available on the Music page - pretty hot! I shoulda known the Dan message board was bustling with musicians... I suppose I'll find out who did which track. So what did you play on those tracks of yours?
angel - that 'Do It Again With Billie Jean' was actually a big hit here in the Netherlands back in 1983, and my first introduction with Steely Dan. On a school dance.
User: Rajah of Erase the Eagles | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: I heard that piece of crap Eagles song on the radio here in L.A. as well. No subtlety whatsoever. Makes me crazy they're playing this instead of you know who. I would rather be stuck in a box with only Emmanuel's remix (especially when he takes out the middle) than be the ruler of infinite space and just have this ponderous tune hammering in my head. Mamalusha make them stop...oh, what a world...what a world.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Grand prize goes to Rajah who got it first... That is "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" there! I'm sure your cat will return in a couple of days.
DanAudioCrackWhore, I have no doubt your childen will be fine without making money off of Don and Walt, and I suspect anyone who finds their way to this stuff has all the albums and a 2VN mug; but alright, since you've had to grind your way through this remix as well, I'll forward any donations. Crack whores generally make for good mothers.
User: DACW - Turn up the Neighbors the Eagles are Listing | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emmanuel: Hilarious...interesting Daddy Don't Live in that New York City no More Vocal Distortion effect
The sampled songs are: Peg, Deacon Blues, Green Earrings, and Do It Again...as the Central Texas Representative of Steely Dan Unlimited, I'll have to ask you though to remit recompence for the 4 sampled songs @ the Steely Dan going rate:
4 x $120,000 = $480,000
Please make the check out to DanAudioCrackWhore Childrens' College Fund c/o the Bimini Black Cow National Bank...this money will be naturally forwarded... in due time... to a Savings and Loan in Maui...
Hey Clas: Jackson Browne is warming up for Keb' Mo' and Steve Earle...Tickets to Houston's Cynthia Woods Pavilion are going for $19 on the Lawn...yeah, screw EMG, we've all been waiting for GB 2003 or whatever...
Driving the Minivan back and forth to Lowe's today - I'm stuck with radio only...Had the misfortune of running across the Iggles' new one Hole in the World...Abysmal!!! ...the cleverness and musical content of an anvil...
User: Clas | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emmanuel - folks on this Guestbook, musicians and wannabe-musicians and whatever, have done 3 CD's. I came up with the idea when I spoke over the phone with a former regular, Lisa X, a couple of years ago.
Then JayDubz, started to gather the material. He made a great job, and though it's not free to master and press the CD's people have to spend a small sum of money to get the CD.
Jay Dubz made 2 CD's, and after the second he was worn out.
Schwinn - the Eskimo Biker (or as his mother is calling him; Brett), decided to take care of the 3rd production. You can find the songs on the fronpage of this very Guestbook.
Though I think Steely Dan is the greatest band ever, they've been the soundtrack of my life since 1976, I still believe that creating something of your own is a good thing. And fun. This is not a beauty contest, send in your stuff. I'm going to put down a little money on this project, do the artwork, press the CD's, it's going to cost some, but what the ffff...
Bad Sneakers promised he'll master the stuff.
The URL to my site:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
I'll hope you will participate,
audi and out
/C
PS/ Oh, Bensodizepines, don't bother, I found a box in my drawer here at work. Finding them makes me happier than a dog with two dicks.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emmanuel - I got it baby, I got it, I think: of course Deacon Blues but also Green Errings and I might be way crazy and off base but whatever that song is with the lyric, "O Michael, O Jesus". Oh, great, now I'M caught up in your fever dream!
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Rajah, Do It Again - good find!
There's three more in there... once you've identified them all, I'll take them out! Shouldn't be hard, because they're buried less deep than Do It Again.
Humor comment was on the spot - Can't talk Dan without humor.
Clas - musician of sorts. What's that tradition?
...And is it a requirement to know what bensodiazepines are?
User: Clas - the High Diver from the Local Pool | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emanuell! That was funny, and now the song is swinging!
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Emmanuel- OK I listened to it again and I think I hear Do It Again in there but I still can't make out the third. I think getting Peg outta there is a good idea. And I do appreciate the fact that it's a labor of love, I hope, in turn, you can appreciate that my sense of humor comes from that same place.
User: angel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: St. Al: You hit the nail on the head. Who can listen to music in public places anymore, even your own home. Only the non married types, I bet. Whenever I go to play something, I get the "Mom, do we have to play that AGAIN?" type whine. Or the "What, turn off the TV?", but it's Trading Spaces or Emeril, or whatever on tonight for the 50th time rant. Life is tough for the dan head. Thank God for portable CD players!!!!! Or for those who commute, the car player.
Emmanuel: I know for a fact that there is a DJ mix of Do it Again and Billie Jean, floating around on Tomas Broberg's sounds page. Somehow I get the feeling that between this and the Smashmouth version of Do it Again with Josie and Rikki sampled in the middle, are what you did, but I may be wrong.
Hutch: Thanks for the nod on my Dan taste. Just my opinion and I don't try to influence anyone else. The Dan appeals to each of us differently, and that is fine.
So Snakehips and I will never agree, but we will both like the Dan and that's the bottom line.
About Donald's voice. Going along with both you and Bob Tedde. I don't see Donald saying those words that way in normal life, either. He role plays the song and that is where those pronunciations come from. Definitely. Give one a good laugh, too, like we are in on a part of the Don and Walt joke. :-)
Do I feel a worm post, nimt?
Private Zimmerman: Don't give up your plans yet. See post 3037, for more info.
User: Clas @ Sunday Night | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: "Maybe dignity has no place anymore. Maybe style has no place anymore.
Maybe excellence has no place anymore."
And you're a conclusive piece of evidence on that one, Bill.
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Emanuell - are you a musician? Are you writing songs, recording them and so? This guestbook has a tradition... well, let Gina explain it for you instead. I'm so blury. You see, I'm out of Xanax and I can't think clearly. Okay okay, I have never been able to think clear, but Xanax made me believe I was.
That's worse than being off Heroin, that's what I've been told.
I've been ON a Heroine once, and that was pretty cool, but this, ouch, those bensodiazepines!
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Double Felix - are you saying that EMG's going to save USA? Oh man, I'm pretty sure that it takes more than a Steely Dan album to save United States of America. But it was a nice try.
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Steeve Dan, it's handwritten, your chart? And you're living in Beverly Hills and can't afford a scanner?
Yeah, the otherway around maybe; you can't afford a scanner because you're living in Beverly Hills?
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Duncan - THAT was good news, Gerry Raffery! Great songs.
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And don't forget the Guestbook CD:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops
Or click the URL above.
User: StAl | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: QUOTE OF THE WEEK:
"...lemming parade right into the inevitable handbasket, revelations-style"
Dude, that was awesome. It's the American plight.
Who's slogging Carlock? Did I miss something?
Morons.
Emanuel: That announcement is what sparked my ire a few days ago. It is asinine for the music industry to blame file trading on their woes. Read Stevie's quote for a better idea of the real problem. The Lemmings are broke. End of story.
You know what really sucks about this new DVD-A player? I can't listen to it at appropriate volumes because I never have the house to myself.
StAl
User: private zimmerman | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: What's happened to the Santa Barbara gig?
I was planning to come over from England to spend a few days on the coast and lap up some Steely Dan, now the gig does not appear on the list. Do I re-arrange for L.A. or what?
For what it's worth - I love the new album. No need to rate the tracks in order of preference - as my platoon sargeant used to tell me on lottery night: "They're all winners!"
Zimmerman
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Starting to look like the Peg bit is gonna have to goà
User: duncan | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: EMG from 11 to 21 in the UK charts this week.
well done WB/reprise marketing dept.
godwhacker remix...ok up till the peg bit !!!
the people slagging off carlock's drums should go back & listen to Piano Jazz again, I did this weekend & he rocks !!!
unlucky enough to catch radiohead live on tv last light....que the nightmares !!!
User: Eleven Whacky RIAA Warnings | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: "Taping music is... ok now."
"Broadband Internet is really meant for... movie trailers. Yeah, that's right. That's the ticket."
"crustypunk796, we know you are. Now stop that."
"You go and try to fit that that huge American Idol through the pipe. hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahah... huh"
"Psst, kid... erase all of daddy's files. ok? They're e-eeeevil."
"We will destroy your computer, unless you join Pressplay within the next 24 hours."
"If you fail to do so, we will send a barrage of Kenny G. mp3s in your direction. Live in fear."
"All of you people actively trading on Kazaa, best beware. Same goes for those using the other services there, whose names we can't recall right now. Is that clear?"
"Contrary to popular belief, "dummy files" do not refer to Celine Dion's latest."
"This shortage of talent is only temporary. Please stay tuned."
"Better lock up your daughters, your computers and portable 20 Gig hard drives. Don Henley is coming to your town."
nimt
User: Beerberian - You can call me Steve if it helps | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: EMG scores on the doors
9 Blues Beach
8 Green Book
7 Slang of Ages
6 Lunch with Gina
5 Last Mall
4 Things I Miss the Most
3 EMG
2 Pixeleen
1 Godwhacker
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: About the future of music and online sharing. I read yesterday that the music industry is now preparing a new assault. They want to start sueing individual Kazaa users who host large amounts of mp3s.
If this new scheme finally succeeds and the industry establishes a terror reign, that would be worse for the music itself than the current state of affairs. With radio stations already in their greedy hands, there would be no platform for stuff that isn't prefabricated and then shoved down people's throats. I would never have heard of Trey Anastasio if not for filesharing, and on the radio it's still only Anastecia.
However, I think one of the core virtues of music is that it cannot be controlled. This new scheme will fail like other ones failed, because on the one hand there is already a trend of musicians delivering music directly to the audience, and on the other hand: people will always find a way to rip music. Middle men are not a necessity anymore, and therefore, they certainly won't be able to alter the course of history. Power to the people!
User: steviedan | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: here's how i rate the songs on emg:
my favorite would be whichever one i happened to be hearing at the moment.
i have lived to hear fresh steely dan.
other favorites:
the NEXT new steely dan.
i can only hope to live to see that day.
however, it is interesting to read your lists.
i just can't make one.
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: Rajah,
Thanks! Glad you could tell that it was a labour of love.
Perhaps it's a good thing that you haven't noticed that there are at least three more Steely Dan songs in there.
User: steviedan takes de bait | Month: 5 | Day: 29
Message: okay, okay. some good points by s a & m. it IS correct that "popular" music appears to be dumbing down even faster than the taste of the "listening" public, if that could be plausible. generally i blame this on lack of music/cultural education, the trend towards equipment manipulation over musical craft. some would just say it's the lemming parade right into the inevitable handbasket, revelations-style. i like to think things can swing back, or swing at least differently and ultimately better, but i'm not sure...
anyway, "product" may be hitting a weak point. granted.
exposure IS hugely important. BUT, is offering an artists entire catalog for involuntary free downloading required for the sake of it ? i HEAR the ol' "get it free so i'll know what to buy" rationale but i don't see it in practice. at all. to be truthful, my 17 and 11-teen year olds hardly own a burned cd, other than ones they copied from ones i own. they never download stuff. mainly, they indicate, because our computer sucks...
the napster era was a crossover era. there are more cd burners today than there were then. to a great degree, free downloading has been the impetus for the huge boom in burner and blank cd sales. that did not occur overnite. computer mfgs and isp's have used this benefit as a MAJOR sales tool. yes, weasels everywhere are getting in line, hell have BEEN in line to make a buck off the backs of musicians. so what's new about that ? nothing. but, the devaluing of music to a generation is real and without current trends to reverse that perception, will continue to be measurably devastating...
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Emmanuel - where do I begin? You've taken not only one of our sacred new classics, Godwhacker AND one of our hallowed temples, Peg, and sloshed them into what might be called an underwater funk food processor then slapped a cheap disco dress on it. It is, of course, an abomination and you should be severely punished begining with the removal of your Pro-Tools. All I could say was ouch. My cat ran out of the room. You are a very dangerous cowboy. Turn yourself into the local authorities and seek help. One shudders to think what you could accomplish with say, The Fez and Gina. Go ahead, make our day.
Ducky - I'll be in Section 2, Row 3. I'll be the guy with the rubber mask of Donald Fagen on, Email me.
User: Hutch | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Great reviews from everyone here in the last few days. Angel, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page about the tunes. I was nodding my head more than once in agreement with your comments.
I like WB's guitar playing. It's obviously a sound that the two of them are looking for at this point in their career (as SD) so I can't really find fault. I remember an interview around the time 2vN came out where it was mentioned that when it came time to do the guitar solo WB was always there and they weren't able to book a guitar player on short notice. There could be many reasons. Who knows? But as I said a while back there's a method to the noodle-ness. The notes fall exactly where they should. Particularly at the end of certain phrases. In TLM the guitar solo works intricately well with the horn arrangement especially where they merge at the end of phrases... which begs the question: was the guitar solo put down before or after the horn parts. I thought his solo was a little weak the first time I heard it but after a few listens it seemed to all make sense.
Thinking recently about the way Donald pronounces words. Not only "roll your caht right up the aisle" but things like "a-dah-rable ghost" in TIMTM. Mike McDonald mentioned in Making of Aja how particular they are about saying words a certain way. It's all part of creating an aural landscape that we just love to explore.
I remember a thread in here a couple of years ago about the idea of "vocalist as actor". Does the vocalist become an actor in the sense that he assumes the persona of the narrator? Seems to me the answer is yes and Mr. Fagen does quite a good job of it in my opinion. Sometimes it's just the way one word is said.
Green Book is the wiggiest song on the record. It's wild, exciting and crazy and that fits Webster's definition. Don and Walt trading fours is REAL wiggy!
Oh, almost forgot... heard a couple of tracks from Mike McDonald's new album. It called "Michael McDonald - Motown". Re-makes of Motown hits. Sounded pretty good. Great version of Too High by Stevie Wonder. And he's backed up by Bob James, Nathan East, Harvey Mason and Larry Carleton (Fourplay). Carleton does a nice solo on the Stevie Wonder tune.
Hutch
User: ed beatty | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Ducky,
I'm on for both shows-
I'll get with you soon
Ed B
User: Emmanuel | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Hello folks,
If Steely Dan states that ProTools doesnÆt have a sense of humour, IÆll let Pro Tools have some fun with them! I hope you donÆt mind, and donÆt think itÆs sacrilege; IÆve remixed the Dan.
http://members.lycos.nl/emmanuelz/godwhacker.htm
User: Doc Kelly here at the Dude Ranch | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Just ordered tix for the Vegas show... already have them in hand for Denver and Chicago... anybody here traveling from Denver to Chicago by land? I've got a place to stay halfway in between if you're interested... Doc
User: SteveeDan | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Rajah - well Sahib, I see you are fast at work here for us cyber-geeks ... Messers. F & B would (probably not) be very amused (one bit!).
Where's Ste V Dan from the Orient ? The more Steve's the merrier ...
Hey Hey B'Way Steve !!! Have you chosen a tune to perform yet in your boffo bossa style yet? Let me know. I've charted 3 of the 9 so far.
Miz Canard -- I have responded to your e-mail ... see you at the Costa Mesa premier concert ... Angel - maybe I'll see you the following day in Paso Robles (that is, if I can find you) ... who's going to be at the Universal Amphitheatre on October 1st & 2nd (besides me that is ...)
and ... even though the Santa Barbara show fell off of the Steely Dan website tour date page, I contacted the SB County Bowl and they told me that the show is still on, but they have postponed selling tickets - twice now ... what's up with that?
This leaves the San Diego show ... who's going to that one? I am not committed yet. But I think certain "professionals" are trying to get me committed (incarcerated ?).
Dr. DACW - thank you for the "thumbs up" for the DVD-A's. Time to part with some additional Steely Dan cash.
SteveeDan
User: angel | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Hey Ducky: Not I. I will be doing Paso Robles, the next evening. Congrats and enjoy.
The Morning Scan....
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/story.asp?id=9FCF8DE7-2351-42BC-AA16-E374BFCD24FC
User: Miz Ducky | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: [waves to all and sundry, including and especially our noble host StAl]
Okay, I thought my schedule and finances would prevent my getting to any Steely shows before they hit Coors Ampitheater in September, but lo and behold I have scored an excellent ticket at Pacific Ampitheater for opening night. Whoo hoo! Who else herein is planning on attending that show?
/the duck
(psyched)
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Just reach right down there into your gut and pull one out. I assume you know what you like. As for doing this again in a week, no. Once the tour starts and we hear a few of these live, I'm sure it'll come up again. Take the plunge.
User: bwaySteve | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: How do you decide which song you like best ? Do you have to do this again a week from now ?
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Now that I think about it, our poll is absurd. Just plain silly and adolescent and in a way disses the music. I mean, how can you rate these nine little gems, each a beautiful universe all unto itself? Nobody asked us what we think, hell we're only a tiny portion of Dan fans, face it. Pitiful and you all should feel ashamed to be in such a state of arrested development here in the late Autumn of your lives. Now all of a sudden all the cyber-Dan-geeks (that's what they call us, you know they do) come out of their respective hidey-holes and start popping off about their favorites.
So.......... here's MINE! (cue the Police whistle)
9 The last Mall
8 Slang of Ages
7 Blues Beach
6 Things I Miss the Most
5 Green Book
4 Everything Must Go
3 Pixeleen
2 Godwhacker
1 Lunch with Gina.......my prresssious.
User: Rajah of Erase | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Good morning Danfolk and here are the results of our EMG poll. Twelve voters so far. I gave nine points for the least favorite tune descending down to one for the favorite:
82 - Blues Beach
80 - The Last Mall
77 - Slang of Ages
65 - Things I Miss The Most
55 - Green Book
52 - Pixeleen
47 - Everything Must Go
43 - Lunch With Gina
34 - Godwhacker
Verrry interesting. What think you? Confirm or scream outrage.
User: DACW | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: who needs face time?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/ae/music/jump/1970211
User: DACW - oops - line missing | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: The DVD-A audio signals are simply processed through the same audio channels that the sound from a DVD-V (you favorite foreign movie) would use. Depending on the player that sound can be decoded UP TO ****24-bit/96kHz. That's still much better than a CD player which is 16 bit/44.1 kHz, but less than a DVD-A player which decodes at 192 kHz for 2 channel stereo...****
You will have to program the disc (main menu button) to make sure you play in the stereo mode, since the default is the 5.1...andmost DVD-V players would not be able to decode DVD-A 5.1...the result is really weird and incomplete sound....
User: DACW - turn it up to 11 | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Scwinn: Yes, no matter how loud you crank it, the sound doesn't seem to saturate. Never. Amazing. In contrast, the re- re-master of Gaucho saturates when they sing "shake it" on Bablyon Sisters
Stevie: Hey, thanks...
SteveE: Most newer DVD-V players or computers should be able to play DVD-As. There is never 100% compatibility, especially with older system The DVD-A audio signals are simply processed through the same audio channels that the sound from a DVD-V (you favorite foreign movie) would use. Depending on the player that sound can be decoded UP TO 24-bit/96kHz. That's still much better than a CD player which is 16 bit/192 kHz DVD-V players will play and display and video or still picture information from a DVD-A disc with no problem...also DVD-As have no regional code, although they can be watermarked...so any region, anywhere
For those that don't know, Apple has announced the first 64 bit computer - the G5...wish I could afford one!!
St.Al: The RIAA, Marc Cuban and Clear Channel are all fighting for control of all airways (whether broadcast or internet or satellite) and distribution and recording. Trying to squash the little guy. They don't really represent the artist Their thinking is short-sighted. When Napster was in full swing - sales were UP! Explain that! They've blinded Congress with the copyright argument, and I'm sure cash...
Independent audio streaming!! I did look up the XM channels stuff on the seb - sampling provided into my computer - The price per month is reasonable - how much are the players? Do they come with tiny satellite dishes?? ;-) Or do you have to strap one one like Al Franken in those SNL skits years ago...
The key, as you indicated clearly with the story about your daughter's first purchase, is EXPOSURE. Why buy an album, if you havbent heard at least some of the tracks? Would you buy a car without research or a test drive. If I venture into a museum to look at the work of some up and coming artists, aren't I more likely to buy their work at a sales exhibit? Their argument is irrational and illogical.
User: fife | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: I'm listening to emg for i don't know how many times, and everytime i hear godwhacker i'm brought to a period in my youth where i was researching my spirituality. I remeber a snippet of film where flying horsemen come in and whack out all the evil: the apocalypse, the book of revelations. Quite appropo for don and walt i'd say.
User: StAl | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Stevie: I don't disagree the record company and the artist has the right to seek to end illegal file trading and protect their copyrights. It is the record companies insistence ALL their economic woes are based on this fact and that burns my ASS.
I contend a majority of their losses are based on two solid facts and one fuzzy one. Solid points being SERIOUS economic recession and the fact they keep serving us SHIT on a little silver disc. The fuzzy one being this illegal downloading trend. Furthermore my point was as a shareholder I would not tolerate clueless management telling me my stock is down because of some pimply-faced teenager downloading the latest Metallica album.
I have a 14 year old teenager, and yes, she does posses a few burned CD's. However, the CD's she possess are ones she would never consider buying. She would otherwise not own them. In fact, in one case, of all bands in my collection -- Dada -- I burned "El Subliminoso" for her and she has subsequently gone to Tower and purchased "Puzzle" -- their first album.
I realize there are many, many kids out there (and a few adults) who completely take advantage of this file trading network and load up on the music. So on one hand you have the example above were file trading can actually contribute to sales and on the other you have people taking advantage of the system. The latter probably outweighing the former.
Is it wrong? Yes, but don't blame your mismanagement on my kid!
Rant over....
StAl
User: SteveeDan | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Here's my list of favorites ... as in, I have 9 favorites on EMG ... and here there are:
9. The Last Mall
8. Blues Beach
7. Slang Of Ages
6. Things I Miss The Most
5. Godwhacker
4. Everything Must Go
3. Pixeleen
2. Green Book
1. Lunch With Gina
Boy there seems to be a lot of "Steve" posters lately. More than any other name. We're weighing in.
I went to the DVDEmpire site. I looked at each of the 4 DVD-A titles -
Kamakiriad, The Nightfly, Everything Must Go, and Two Against Nature.
In the notes section on these 4 releases, 3 of them say that these DVDs can be played on ANY DVD machine ... the 4th one says that it can be played only on machines bearing the DVD Logo ... not on CD players.
Does this mean that all 4 titles can be played on a conventional DVD player? I realize that you won't get the 5.1 surround sound experience without the 5.1 surround sound hardware, but you do get photos and videos in addition to the music tracks.
DACW - could you clear this question up for me? Thanks Dr.
SteveeDan
User: duncan | Month: 5 | Day: 28
Message: Pat, price in the mail.
9, everything must go
8, things i miss the most
7, slang of ages
6, greenbook
5, pixeleen
4, last mall
3, lunch with gina
2, blues beach
1, godwhacker
favourite made up line
'' a man in blue squeezes of 20 razor sounds''
User: steviodandes & brasil 66 | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: sam-ba sam-ba
sam-ba sam-ba
late nite groovin here with sergio mendes and company. this stuff was the one-note shiz-nit. the beatles covers. i'd forgotten...
mu. just so you know. #2991 was an instant classic post as i read it.
except maybe the LOUD part. perhaps "punchy yet comfortable".
rajah. it was good for me.
z babe. guitar-gasbord's just not in the current game plan and dig, turns out that it's a kinda take or leave deal. me ? i'm WAY in.
st al. how often are you around teenagers ? i have given lessons to scores of them, and i've got to tell you. prevailing attitude is "music is free". kids come in with books FULL of burned discs. NO purchased ones. entire collections. i don't understand what has taken the banks of industry lawyers so long to act on the napster precedent. i know the industry, like many others, is bloated if not near-corrupt. even uber-caveman-like. however, currently it's the one that artists on many economic levels charge with protecting their interests. i think it's gotta be done and it may have to be hardball. it's a sneaky-ass world and a ho's gotta eat too...
User: Schwinn | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: DACW--I've listened to EMG on everything and l'm impressed that it has been mastered with enough finesse to handle the 9.5 volume setting on my cheapest boom box without distortion. Only the Dan can be this clean and this mean.
Bluesing the Beach,
SEMB
User: Jimbo | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: Here's my countdown to EMG ecstasy:
9.Slang of Ages
8.Things I miss the Most
7.Pixeleen
6.The Last Mall
5.Blues Beach
4.Godwhacker
3.Green Book
2.Lunch With Gina
1.Everything Must Go
StAl- Thanks for your support for Satellite Radio. I just wanted to let you know that after I read your response, I decided to e-mail Deep Tracks to play Lunch With Gina between 7 to 8pm. I got a reply stating that he
counldn't because he had to leave early after 7, but that he would play
it at 6:45, which he did. I managed to hear it and I was so damned impressed.
Maybe I should call WDVE in Pittsburgh, and test them to see if they'll
play a typical tune. I'll see if the person I talk to is human and will
adhere to my request. If not, I'll taunt the plastic DJ and tell him or her that satellite radio could do it and that I hope their station loses listeners.
Next year, soon as I get myself straight, moneywise, I'll be shelling out for a Satellite Radio system.
By the way, if you want to know the recent statistics, XM has 600,000
subscribers while Sirius has only 68,000 and growing. XM expects to have 1.2 million by the end of the year. Sirius to have 300,000.
IS THIS THE END OF THE TYPICAL RADIO STATION?
WILL THEY GET THE IDEA AND FOLLOW SATELLITE RADIO'S LEAD?
STAY TUNED!
SAME DAN TIME!
SAME DAN CHANNEL!
User: your hypothetical friend | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: 9) blues beach
8) the last mall
7) lunch with gina
6) slang of ages
5) pixeleen
4) things...
3) green book
2) godwhacker
1) everything must go
User: z | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: steviedan- Alright, Wayne Krantz, Adam Rogers, Mike Stern, Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, Scofield, etc...etc... Just not WB on every solo!
I don't care about Carlton, Ritenour, or even any of the guys I listed above- just not WB for every solo!
Use someone new, use someone old, use someone's 14 year old cousin from Sheboygen, but please give somebody else a solo besides WB!
That's all.
I still haven't heard one milli-second of EMG yet, but reading some of the reviews here is giving me an lcd vibe.
Well, I've finally hooked up the speakers to this (not mine) computer, so I can hear samples again.
So here's the deal- if my review is negative, I won't post it here (maybe the blue pages), if it's positive, I'll post it here.
I honestly don't think you true believers can handle even a hint of dissent about the 2 boyz...
User: That was weird | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: Here ya go:
reprise@wbr.com
User: Tomorrow's for squares | Month: 5 | Day: 27
Message: OK, here's the deal:
All DanFans:
(1) Open your favorite email program
(2) insert (3) Place the following or some version thereof into the text (4) Click on SEND (5) Have a cold one Hey Warner Bros: I can save your company from selling out to the bare walls!!!! Don't bother with AAA - that's the not the best matched format for Steely Dan: ADULT ....that is if you want a No 1 hit and millions of albums sold...but... User: Tomorrow's for squares
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| Day: 27 Message: OK, here's the deal: All DanFans: (1) Open your favorite email program (2) insert (3) Place the following or some version thereof into the text (4) Click on SEND (5) Have a cold one Hey Warner Bros: I can save your company from selling out to the bare walls!!!! Don't bother with AAA - that's the not the best matched format for Steely Dan: ADULT ....that is if you want a No 1 hit and millions of albums sold...but... User: fezo
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| Day: 27 Message: 9. Things I Miss The Most Tough list to compile. Green Book should probably be higher but I think it's the most lyrically challenged track. And I suspect within a few months the title cut could plummet. User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: Holy shit - There's the cell phone buzzing in the right channel at 0:37 into Pixeleen!...with a Steely Dan album, Christmas never ends... User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: bass: It's just a sign of the times ;-)...Congress is stalling on Fuel Cell Research, the hamsters are on strike, so we have to get the flow of electrons going somehow - I like the Brown Norweigan mix... ...anyway, the point I'm finally getting to is that's I'm trying to rest my brain...and EMG starts to creep in...si might as well just turn it on!...a little click on iTunes and voilß... of course I could live a musical Green Book experience... User: sh
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| Day: 27 Message: but i promise i'll keep trying to listen to Pixel...just to see if it will grow on me...maybe User: Gretch
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| Day: 27 Message: DACW, I agree. I'd like to hear Last Mall slowed down quite a bit, sort of Chain Lightning User: Steve M.
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| Day: 27 Message: 9: Slang of ages Steve User: sigh....
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| Day: 27 Message: to User: angel
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| Day: 27 Message: Bassinstinct, you beat me too it. Make that the back 7. (Can't count today.) User: angel
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| Day: 27 Message: Snakie, you must really not like Pixeleen, you even took Walter's vocal over it. ;-) 9 Last Mall User: bassicinstinct
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| Day: 27 Message: DACW: Sampling rat? Is that something similar to a computer mouse??LOL User:
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| Day: 27 Message: EMG is No. 1 on DVD-Empire: http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?site_id=12&userid=00000976793423&item_id=532207 User: sh
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| Day: 27 Message: 9. Pixeleen sh it's high time for a walk on the real side... User:
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| Day: 27 Message: Review of Kama DVD-A: http://dvdaudiodaily.com/cgi-bin/FrameIt.cgi?Url=http://www.dvdaudiodaily.com/news/0306/24.donald.fagen.kamakiriad.dvd-audio.shtml&ConfigFile=FrameIt.cfg User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: High end Universal DVD-A/SACD players http://www.crutchfield.com/S-el0cB2KJFzO/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=580DVSP800 Yamaha ElectronicsÆ DVD-S2300 ($999) http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/ces2003/sources/page_03.shtml Denon DVD-2900 has i-link and the whole package http://www.audioworld.com/stat/pr/ces2003/denon.dvd-2900.dvd-audio.sacd.shtml User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: Rajah: Get one with as many formats read as possible. All will play DVD-A, DVD-V, CDs, CD-ROM, CD-MP3 - but you'll have to look - whould be on the box The prices of "Universal" players (ones that can read SACD also) are coming down rapidly. Most of the JVCs and Sony's are good. Look for one that has an output in addition to RCA (analog)...some have firewire or i-Link (digital dtat transfer) that will take advantage of the incredible dynamic range S/N ratio, 24 bit recording...and will be compatible with new Receive/Amp systems or if you're putting together an entire digital audio/video centre with 5.1... There is a little programming - the default mode for many DVD-As and DVD-Vs is the surround sound (5.1) DTS or Dolby...2 channel stereo has the highest sampling rat and works well with my JVC... User: tones
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| Day: 27 Message: 9. Last Mall User: Aja..............posting quickly before the system crashes.......
| Month: 5
| Day: 27 Message: .....yet again. Anyway, aside from being out in the field, ygk, that's where I been! Got your e-mail and one from Aus. Those plus the new Sex and the City season, and well, I'm in a New York state of mind.........(sorry, had to do it) Summer has finally come to SoCal! A solid month of June gloom has finally broken. Hi Peg! Hi Lovebob! Hope "Lunch w/Gina is next on your list to master, especially if Steely Dan leave it off the playlist this summer........ User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 27 Message: Rajah ... on the DVD-A thing ... ask my lead singer. "W" will tell all ... The Bandleader p.s.: I actually already own a candelobra, but, my wife won't let me take it out of the house. Sorta makes me feel like "Liberace In Bondage" ... Hmmm ... I wonder what BlacksGirl would make of that. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 27 Message: OK, you sold me StAl,now what do I need to know about my DVD-A player when I go get it this afternoon? Are there different features to look for, who makes these things. User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 27 Message: I was reading some of the reviews with links on the SD official website. Not surprisingly they are good reviews, but the thing that struck me reading them and some of the posts on this page was this: This is an adult album. It is what it is. The only negative things I've heard or read about it are from people who clearly had preconceived notions about what it should be. A note about my listening habits (as if you should care). I heard Blues Beach and The Last Mall first, so I fell in love with them first. Then the album came out and I heard the rest of the album and fell in love with Things I Miss, Godwhacker and the title cut. This left the middle tracks. I admit to skipping over them for a while. Then I started skipping my 'favorites' to give the middle tracks more of a listen. And wonder of wonders, each one of them won my heart in its own way! Like all their albums, so much thought, quality and musicianship have gone into EMG, that it's hard not to like (love?) it. The adjustment that one may have to make is to tune one's ear to the particular harmonies of a track. Once you really hear what they have created, you cannot help but appreciate the art. User: YGK
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| Day: 27 Message: Raja: *happysmirk*!!! you da trippin, slippin, flippin Raja: gadja! - and could take the name of A. Syd Fleschbeck....... Where, oh where is the Lady Bayside? Aus: Pharma, huh? Makes sense bro - how's the waterfront? BTW - LB drops her "hi's" and is looking forward to Jones Beach...... Aja: where you at? ygk User: StAl
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| Day: 27 Message: DACW: You AIN'T kidding. I just got my new DVD-A player and hooked it up a few nights ago. Christ man, you'd swear Carlock was sitting in my living room. They keep raising the bar. This recording is nothing short of phenomenal. StAl User: Rajah of Erase
| Month: 5
| Day: 27 Message: Hey DACW, yes I believe it is a guy whose letting his paramour look at his erotic virtual concoction. And sharing it with his "old girl" kind of places into focus just what he's put together from that kinky a la carte menu. It is scary sometimes to confront what turns you on... you twisted little puppy you. And YGK - on the wiggy quotient of the songs on this album: it reminds me of one of those "pop-Up" birthday cards, you know where characters and maybe locales spring up atcha in full living color? Well, the songs on EMG kinda do that, only in my acid flashback, those pop-ups are real and they start boppin' and singing up at me. Like I see Blues Beach characters, a lot of them have flippers and are only part human. That's before the paint starts dripping off the walls...and...and...the little pop-up characters start flying around the room singing and playing their own little theme songs. Me gotta go lay down now, room...spinning. User: StAlphonzo
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| Day: 27 Message: I'm game... 999. Blues Beach Jimbo. I've been trumpeting the virtues of XM radio since Christmas 2002. I love it. Almost exclusively listen to "Deep Tracks." I have it installed at home and in my car. Took it on a long road trip last weekend and never lost the signal. The drive east of the Cascade Mountains from Bend Oregon to Seattle is in the middle of nowhere so I'd normally be stuck listening to CD's over and over... I've heard every single cut off Everything Must Go plus much of their back catalog. I've heard Zappa, old Genesis, Phish, King Crimson, etc -- bands you NEVER hear on regular radio. They play the Grateful Dead Hour on Wednesday's and again on Sunday. XM ROCKS. I encourage everyone to purchase a subscription. Also, they do respond to requests. I submitted one via their website and about 30 minutes later I got a response from the DJ saying to listen at "the top of the hour" for my request. Sure enough he played it and announced my name so I'm sure most of the broadcast is live. Bandwidth error yesterday was due to this website going over it's limit. Between the software, interviews and this guestbook I topped 40 GB of transfer. That's a TON for a site like this. $30 later and here we are... StAl User: DACW - One Alien Nation Under a Groove
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| Day: 27 Message: The key is to Play EMG LOUD. EMG works well on DVD-A and CD, while TvN really requires DVD-A to hear it as it should. In a sense the initial recording sessions of both TvN and EMG set out to do the same thing - capture the live sound of the 90s tours! EMG became much more successful at this while D&W retreated back to their studio paradigm for TvN shortly after the first few sessions...this is what an adult album should sound like... The live tracking and analog recording, ESPECIALLY WHEN PLAYED LOUD take advantage of the open soundscape and great instrument separation despite a plethora of cool tricks (e.g., rattlesnake sound near end of vocal wall of sound backround vocals and tight harmonies...I'm impressed with how there's a real PLUSH feel to the album... EMG is a superb recording that COOKS and SWINGS way more than it ROCKS...really it's mostly jazz and blues with Soul, R&B, a bit of 60s pop on Blues Beach and that Stax backbeat... WHAT THIS ALBUM IS NOT: (1) an incendiary rock GUITAR album...Look, since 1976, after the Royal Scam was released, there have only been 3 songs by the Dan or solo work with smokin' guitar solos: Peg, Third World Man (and that's pushin' it especially since it is rumored that Carlton's solo is left over from RS), and Lucky Henry. That's it - in TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS - 3 scorchers!! - an average on ONE every NINE YEARS...although I would argue that Fagen's midi/synth thing solo on Lunch with Gina is the equivalent of an Alan Holdsworth fusion run... (2) a rock album - Countdown to Ecstacy was THIRTY years ago...I think they've moved on...The song structures and chords on all the songs except for Blues Beach and some of Slang of Ages (verses, bridge), and Lunch with Gina have virtually nothing to do with any music recorded after the 1950s except for Steely Dan recordings...In my view, it has never been more apparant how much different Steely Dan is from the rest of the post-modern musical Universe, which at best is one of the outer layers of Dante's Hell... WHAT THIS ALBUM IS: (1) The tightest most soulful Steely Dan album since Katy Lied (2) a melding of the open soundscape of Katy and Gaucho with modern playback technology for immediacy...again, CRANK IT UP!!! You are there in the 8th ROW, baby! (3) a recording filled with songs taking a lot of structure from pop and jazz and blues recordings of 1940s. Listen to Marian McPartland's interview and the songs - it back to the roots of waht became rock - pre-rock, the Lava period if you will merging Duke Ellington with Charles Brown... (3) From Gaucho to the Nightfly to Kamakiriad to TvN to EMG, heavy funk/soul grooves percolate through the album. Why is this structure a shock to anyone. now, with Carlock setting the pulse, they resemble Porcaro's work in Katy a bit more,a real 3-dimensional sound...both are combo groove and fill players. Porcaro was a bit more fill, but Carlock has a LOT of sneaky stuff going on...I should point out that SD has picked out fill players for tour (e.g. Erskine in '93) and on albums (e.g. Vinny C on Negative Girl and Chris Parkers performance on On the Dunes)...not all fans have been enthralled, but I dig a good fill, jazz drummer... The point about Carlock on EMG is that he sets a joyfulness juxtaposed against lyrics touching apocalypse, numbness, post-nookyular world, aliens, virtual experiences. UPBEAT AN-NIHILISM or UPPER SURREALISM (4) IT"S THE SONGS, STUPID...IMHO, these tunes and lyrics simply rank among Dan's best. Most are altered blues meets 40s jazz with some R&B and SOUL mixed in...on TvN, the songs were more late 50s structure, almost like odd TV jingles...the BRIDGES on the EMG songs are to die for...I won't delve into the lyrics in this post - but they're as good as it gets in pop music...literate, adult, twisted, weird, clever, funny... (5) There are numerous goodies and spontaneous moments if we pay attention...get a decent system and CRANK it - actually the CD sound superb on an iMac with the Harmon-Kardon speakers (6) This album is WEIRD...and weird is good...lots of off kilter mu chords, sound effects, the Wurly, the hot back and forth between Donald and Walter on Greenbook... (7) The combination of Donald's voice and the backround singers and most importantly arrangments lead to frankly the BEST VOCAL album in the SD discography....vocals more up front than on TvN...great phrasing, spacing, tone and blending with the back-up singers, including Fagen himself, it's a marvel. I also like Walter's vocal performance better in Slang than 11 ToW...he sounds better live as on Book of Liars from AiA (8) It's partly the live recording, but there's real communicatioin between the instruments - the best since Katy Lied and some of the Scam and Aja recordings...No playing to CLICKS here baby!!! and that's the key to Walter's guitar. The tone is very good, and you can hear him (e.g., Last Mall) taking it all in - the whole band. The linear solos spliced in the the 70s always had something to do with the song structure...but Walter's jazz/blues solos have EVERYTHING to do with the song structure and what's happening all around him...Walter also sneaks iin some themes that are coming up or are previous into the mix, excellent use of call and repeat - very, very clever... (9) I don't know if Weiskopf has better chops than Tom Scott, but I'd rather listen to Weiskopf - it's soulful and weird...The intro to the title cut is nothing short of brilliant as he integrates the theme from the bridge into his Mingus at Antibes deconstruction...you can just hear Enron, Global Crossing, and the .com bubble come crashing down in a pyre of speculatioin, lies and torched 401Ks... User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: YGK: Wiggy-est: (note: not necessarily in order of excellence, but weird, cool stuff content...but isn't that the same thisg with SD?) 9. The Last Mall User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: Jimbo: Satellite radio - wish I had it - CC and Marc Cuban and RIAA are trying to shut down Internet Radio...we vould use an AOR or AOJ station (radio, satellite, internet) with real DJs who respond to requests... It's true, I've tried to call CC stations - recordings only!...There are DJs and e-mail addresses on some station websites - but I'm beginning to think that they're fake and the lady from the Aerosmith 900# phone sex video is actually typing in responses... User: YGK
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| Day: 27 Message: "It's mad, it's wiggy, I love it" OK, crew: 9. Blues Beach 1. Godwhacker (IMHO) whack/whack/changes, dudes..... ygk User: DACW
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| Day: 27 Message: AudiTT: Exactly. Kind of like a Porno Matrix or the Holodeck in Star Trek TNG. The sensualist (if that's a word) selects the envirornment from probably a menu, and then can put together a la carte the components of their latest or previous virtual blow-up doll. The "dirty city" is a favorite haunt of the User yet again...just like St. Andrew's is my favorite golf course on my kids' Tiger Woods PlayStation2 DVD. The rest is filled in and garnered from the mind of the user...that's why "it's scary to DIG yourself"...The experiences are beyond virtual - there more real, like the Holodeck. This time in the song Green Book the Sensualist or User brings along someone new...does she "like to watch?" Is it a "virtual threesome?" User: Jimbo
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| Day: 27 Message: Rajah- Welcome to the club. That rallying cry should get people to remember that EMG is a damn good album. St Al- What happened yesterday? What was the Bandwidth situation? By the way, has anybody subscribed to Satellite Radios yet? In the last month since I got the radios set up at where I work, customers have been asking about it and buying them. So far, XM has sold 500,000 while Sirius has 68,000, but is pushing for 300,000 by the end of the year. XM is projecting 1.2 million by that time too. I've even heard "Green Book" on one of the XM channels called "Deep Album Tracks" And, there are deejays that you can communicate with and send requests too. Deejays who can communicate. WOW! If only the Clear Channel run stations could do that. I think there may be a career in Satellite Radio someday. Hopefully with better pay. Has anybody gotten Kamakiriad on DVD-A yet? User: SteveeDan
| Month: 5
| Day: 27 Message: Hello Rajah -- It's comforting to know that there is someone here who will put it on the line for all of us in the Loyal Dandom ... whether it's over here, over at dandom.com ... or any other random dandom locale ... By the way, I'm looking for a good deal on a candelabra ... I most definitely need one !!! Hey ... did anybody notice that the Santa Barbara September concert was taken off of the tour list? Like, hey, wassup widdat ? I mean ... I already made an appointment with my barber to get an SB County Bowl haircut. User: Steely Fan
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| Day: 27 Message: My take on emg (like anybody cares but everybody seems to have an opinion.) The important thing is that these are songs that B/F felt should be heard, and I've been (for the most part) pleased with their choices over the years as to what what gets on an album. This one is no exception. Does it go beyond "here's a bunch of tracks we think are good."? Not really. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 27 Message: Oh, and thanks to our StAl, light of the west. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 27 Message: Welcome back to the Blusterdome, compadres. Been over at Blue Book and there still seem to be a few very irksome comments about "not getting" EMG and such. Someone even had the unmitigated cheek to criticize Pixeleen...I know, heresy. Why do we have to drag these naysaying nabobs kicking and screaming down the hall to this Groove-Palace? Cause we just have to, that's why. It seems that we do have a bit of a consensus on how to enjoy this record: get up off the couch or mouse, turn that sucker UP, grab the spousal unit and DANCE YOU PASTY-FACED, FLAT-ASSED PIECE OF MIDDLE AGE CRAP! Sorry for the outburst, but do I feel better now. User: StAl
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| Day: 27 Message: MAN that was painful! Please go about you business. No more bandwidth problems. Nothing a little money couldn't fix... StAl User: Audi TT
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| Day: 26 Message: I think the song "Green Book" literally describes a future virtual reality technology which people can role play in and (what else?) have sexual encounters. In the narrator's case, "dirty city" is the virtual reality scenario that he plays and is also a play on words that its for sexual purposes as is "grid of desire" and "where I get off". Cities are in a grid and the term "grid" has technology/networking/sci-fi connotations. Perhaps they chose a term like "Green Book" because they didn't want to be tied down with some descriptive term for or explaination of the technology that's making it all happen. It doesn't matter if its a Star Trek Holodeck, direct sensory input like The Matrix, or whatever. So he's in some sort of Raymond Chandler 1940's film noirish scene, but there are some anachronisms like Jill St. John (can that be right? - she's from the '60s) and whatever the music is that he comments on. The festive icons along the way could be the user interface for the technology, sort of like The Matrix's telephones. Maybe you can also interact with other avatars of oneself like the last girl, who's got the mood and the moves. Its kinda scary to dig yourself in the Green Book. It sounds like a very addictive place. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 26 Message: Peg - that kid of your sounds like a hooot! It seriously challenges what the Theory dude laid out yesterday that one of the tests of true songwriting genius (Gershwin, Rogers & Hart, Lennon & McCartney but NOT our boys) is that little kids pick up and sing the tunes. Keep the kid away from Gaucho for a while, though, it's too scary. User: sh
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| Day: 26 Message: anyone else think "dirty city" is either the chat room or the internet itself? i also think "girlie magazine" is a nod to either heff or flynt (ugh) i'm learning how to meditate, so far, so good... User: StAl
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| Day: 26 Message: Bill: I see your point though I still like Metallica a lot. Once again it's the taste issue, but in general the recording industry keeps serving up predictable shit and I refuse to eat shit. Apparently the recording industry in their lack of wisdom has decided to start prosecuting music traders in an official announcement today. They say sales are down 8% and they blame this on illegal file trading. For a publicly held corporation it must be nice to have a scapegoat for the shareholders. SO instead of attributing the real reason for the industry downturn (recession and SHIT), they can blame the customer. Nice I seem to recollect the recording industry had one of it's biggest years when Napster was at it's zenith in popularity (1999 - 2000?). If any music exec is reading this. You guys/gals should be ashamed of yourselves. If I was a shareholder I would not stand for the lie. StAl User: Peg
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| Day: 26 Message: Bill: If this offers any hope at all: This morning my 8 year-old daughter wanted me to play The Last Mall repeatedly in the car. She was asking questions about what each line of the song meant.... why he was recommending "tools for saliva".... she was singing out with attitude on "roll your cart back up the aisle".... playing air-piano and air-drums at the very end, and laughing about how it feels like the final beat is "missing".... and then told me she really likes Steely Dan because the songs seem like puzzles that make her want to listen, instead of "all kissy-kissy I love a girl and she loves me stuff". User: angel
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| Day: 26 Message: Random musings on some of the words on Everything Must Go. Frankly - In EMG the narrator says frankly I could use a little face time. It reminds me of that line in Gone With the Wind, Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. It is also a feeling that (not only) I get about the album, as a whole. Donald and Walter definitely laying it all out there. The Sex - (Mentioned in other posts, but worth noting again) They are much more open and up front with some of their comments. Let it all hang out, seems to be their theme, this time and frankly ;-) I like it. Big Dog - I don't know how far their reach is, but Big Dog is a company that sells shirts and such. They are based in Santa Barbara. Another Dean and Deluca, it looks like. Almighty Ass - Tempting the deity with a curse word? Ooooh User: The Poster Formerly Known as ¦
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| Day: 26 Message: G: That's right. Wendy and Lisa were featured on last year's One All by Neil Finn. Check out the song Secret God to really hear them throw in some twisted jazz. The album (naturally) has been largely ignored in the US, although the latest radio single "Human Kindness" barely slipped into the AAA chart. User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 26 Message: Crashing, Hiccuping, Wavering Internet Explorer NL 7.0. Seems a sey name, until you find out what it means... User: Chase
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| Day: 26 Message: What's "CHWIE", Emmanuel? It's really bugging me. It's just like trying to make out who, of Jon or Hugh, is in the left channel at any given time. It's maddening. The talk, the sex, some phony to trust Clas, ain't Emmanuel a sexy name? User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 26 Message: steviedan, In that case: apologies. I was really convinced that you were being acidic in your assessment of the music business, and I really thought you were denouncing any amateur opinion. I must say I'm relieved to see this is not the case, because indeed I would have been causing a stir. And I would be bullied away within a couple of days and spend the rest of my life thinking Dan fans are headstrong aristocrats... I'd be doomed to the Yes message board! Now who wants that. Because I must say, on a rare positive note, this message board here is a really cool find - overall, the opinions I read are well thought out and balanced, and I have seen things I never would have seen otherwise. Bob's Last Mall for instance. Unbelievable. That Japanese acapella dude. Not of this world. So I'm glad to have found this place. I'll try to behave. W1P - that was really funny. Now I know what a Dutch Yoda would sound like! Gina, thanks for the eh, guidelines - hope you didn't put that down in Dutch because of the malfunctioning cylinders in my translation software. User: W1P
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| Day: 26 Message: Emmanuel, als u kan zien, mijn Nederlands is verschrikkelijke (en inderdaad, veinst aangezien ik gebruik een vertaling programma te maken deze tekst). om. Echter wens ik ook u aan het "Geel" te verwelkomen als wij het roepen. Er zijn vele heel begaafde mensen hier met veel interessant, plezier en grappige informatie en inzichten. Ja zijn er een paar rukken ook. Ik zeg, bezitter plezier opdat, het ook ernstig en poging niet neemt niet het ook serieus te nemen. Goed geluk en naar Gina luistert, is zij een wijze vrouw. User: steviedan
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| Day: 25 Message: GINA ! no matter WHAT you say, i am NOT a "onberooroordeeld" !!! i've been meaning to post this, so now that i've had my ritalin: for those discussing wendy & lisa, hopefully you didn't miss the album they did in '98 under the band name "girl bros.". they perform all vocals and instruments, and the album was produced by them with tchad blake. however, tchad was the only one dangling. no really, a nice record unfortunately under the radar. believe it or not, they even do an ambient/space take on "i've got no strings". yes, as in pinnochio... User: ps
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| Day: 25 Message: Gypsy, LOL! Banyan Tree starting with his "What's New For The Current Generation" Bow, User: Gina
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| Day: 25 Message: goodmorning Steviedan :-) nice to find a warm empty chair and the headphones still dangling over the table so i know you've been here ... Emmanuel, als mede Nederlandse begrijp ik je drang tot communicatie over muziek en gezien de aard van dit forum, Steely Dan, maar c'est le ton qui fait la musique, of "le", pardon my lousy french :-) User: stevierrata
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| Day: 25 Message: "WILL" extend ! "WILL" extend ! just like all that spam promises... User: steviedan
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| Day: 25 Message: of note... "steviedan album of the week"(TM) according to the website (link above, i think) the long awaited "portrait of jaco: the early years" is in transit and will become available any day. this lovingly annointed two-disc set with extend mister pastorius' discography by seven years. it ain't gonna be cheap ($42.95), but then again, genius don't come that way... User: steviedan
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| Day: 25 Message: i just love this apparent european misconception that somehow the u.s. is this mono-cultural place where we all think alike, watch the same tv reality shows, and eat the same shit. talk about a "lack of insight". emmanuel, believe it or not, there were no revelations for me in your sociology class there. and i've never even been there. please clarify for me, though. are you saying that NO ONE makes a living as a musician in europe ? it sounded as if that was the implication. i don't think anyone told that to the kelly family lol. and don't forget focus. anyway, the art appreciation lecture on "emphasis on craft alone" vs. "the true beauty of art" was also a bust. where did that come from ? because i like mike stern ? huh ? man, i believe only days ago you began posting and i immediately struck up friendly dialogue about todd and even referred to you as a seemingly "cool person". in the post of mine you flamed, i was defending ALL musicians, paid and european (JUST KIDDING), so i'm not sure your translation software is hitting on all cylinders. i'm actually a little baffled by this whole exchange. i think you just picked up on my irritation with a couple of other posters. i think folks here would say i'm usually a nice cat. i am opinionated, as we all are, but you will never speak with an individual more passionate about the art of music. everyday of my conscious existence has been and will be dedicated to it... regardless, i still welcome you and your opinions to the gb. 'cause i'm like that. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 25 Message: Here's a Village Voice review: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0326/kenny.php I posted this on the Blue Book too. And Hutch, thank you for your comments. SteevieDan, you are very welcome. The review of SD and Fountains of Wayne in the Village Voice had a couple of disturbing comments in there and one other comment that is so right on. What the reviewer, Glenn Kenny, attempts to posit is some kind of parallel about the great songwriting teams - Rogers & Hart, Lennon & McCartney and Becker & Fagen. He got that right, arguably the three best songwriting teams of the 20th century pop. Great lyrics from Lorenz Hart, check those out sometime if you're unfamiliar. But the Jew/non-Jew thing is just bizarre, I don't know what he's getting at, Lennon, a virtual Jew? Am I missing something here, or wasn't John the guy who preached no religion? Weird and really unecessary, Mr. Kenny. But then he writes something I wish I had, "Both teams are masters of the sort of songwriting irony many of us used to enjoy before irony got confused with sarcasm and was subsequently pronounced decadent if not dead." he'so right, huge numbers of folks just don't get irony, it's too subtle (when done well) most times for their receptors, it's off their scales and reads to them, if at all, as sarcasm which I always felt was a comment intended to hurt someone. Most times, when we fight with people the interplay devolves, unfortunately, into sarcasm. That's when we've ceased to argue facts and feelings and just start trying to hurt the other person. Our boys' lyrical landscape tells abstract stories peppered with comments by various narrators and active characters who say and do things that reveal to us their inconsistencies, their fears, their weak-mindedness, the dreary architecture of their souls, to borrow a phrase. And it makes you think, man, I don't wanna be a schmuck like, oh, the guy in Things I Miss the Most, Cousin Dupree, EMG, What a Shame About Me, on and on back through the catalogue of Dan. That's irony in there. The very undefined comment about Jew/non-Jew songwriting teams notwithstanding, this is a pretty good review with quite a few well thought out theories. I like Fountains of Wayne very much, very open and eclectic. Different musical worlds (is anybody in our boys' world, I think not) but they do share space in the same firmament. User: Hutch
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| Day: 25 Message: I definately think that definetly must be the hardest word in the English language to spell. definitely. H. p.s. - Mike Stern's good. He just hasn't yet figured out what "tone" means. Or, more likely, he just doesn't care! User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 25 Message: Dear steviedan, This could get interesting. First off, I don't intend to harm anybody by pronouncing my personal tastes. The fact that I was utterly disillusioned by Mr. Stern, when he came over to play in The Hague, only underscores my own opinion on the fine line between art and cheap muscle-flexing - and it doesn't say anything about how good or bad the man really is. It's purely personal. Now, there in the United States you might have a better grasp of English, but it doesn't really make up for your lack of insight about the rest of the world. Europe is fragmented. We don't have the same TV stations from east to west. If I drive east for three hours, I don't understand the language people speak. Here, we don't have an internal market of hundreds of millions like you do. What opportunities do you think there really are for a professional musician when your album sales won't ever top the 50,000? Name me a couple of really good Dutch acts. I don't know any. Remember 'Radar Love'? Golden Earring, 30 years ago, our most prized rock act to date. And they have only managed to stay out of unemployment for three years. I will not let the fact that I'm not a professional keep me from having my own opinion, steviedan. And I don't like being talked down to like that. If you put this much stress on craftsmanship and craftsmanship alone, perhaps you haven't yet understood the true beauty of art. User: bassicinstinct
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| Day: 25 Message: I may be wrong, but I think the Scots band spelt their name "Beaudacious Cowboys"!!?? User: Steve M.
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| Day: 25 Message: Nope Fanofdan I was referring to post 2627 by Shakey who talked about a Scottish outfit of the same name. Looks like we have 2 bands with the same name User: Fanofdan
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| Day: 25 Message: Steve M Are you refering to the Australian band,The Bodacious Cowboys? User: Beerberian Bsc Hons AME IOB BSE
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| Day: 25 Message: Bored Bored Bored in Boreham Wood The familiar Music Guest Book cries: "I'm Bored." ôItÆs Boringö User: steviedan
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| Day: 24 Message: emmanuel, i know. making a living as a musician is like indentured slavery in hell. not like pushing widgets or insurance or something that provides such deep fulfillment. as a working musician, for example i am limited to only certain notes or chords. even on my own time. it's like a horrible caste system. ah the luxury it would afford, NOT to get paid to play music. then i could play ANYTHING i want AND actually have an opinion... emmanuel, here in the united states we have a little sound bite from the slang of ages: "keep it real" emmanuel. and as for mike stern. keeping the ear canals free of wax blockages may help that problem. miles davis thought he was amazing, so i think i'll steer clear of the amateur opinion in this case... teacher, i know what you mean. point taken. but the fact that, hypothetically, a musician might be an arrogant asshole from time to time doesn't mean i can't respect their apparent abilities... User: duncan
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| Day: 24 Message: Big Wendy & Lisa fan also User: Bill
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| Day: 24 Message: The fact that a band like Mettalica outsells artists like Steely Dan is We have become a society without a shred of class. Anyway, artists like Steely Dan have no place in the world of Marylin User: your hypothetical friend
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| Day: 24 Message: if i do indeed exist, i'd like to ask a question re: the DVD portion of EMG. are those chicks for real? i mean, the ones walt and donny pick up in the cab? User: Chi Rival
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| Day: 24 Message: Hey everybody! Its been a long time since I said wassup to all my fellow GB ers. All it took to bring me out was hmmmmm lets see...... Oh yeah a new installment to the SD library. I decided to wait till I got the feel of Well thats my 2 cents.(more like 200 cents) Luv to All and......... Thanks to the boys for another installment! User: fezo
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| Day: 24 Message: Hutch: I'm waiting to see some set lists from earlier shows before I commit to Nissan. If they skew toward nostalgia act again with their song selection, I'm inclined not to attend. User: DACW
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| Day: 24 Message: Anybody notice the rattlesnake sound at the end of Slang of Ages, then again at the beginning of Green Book? User: gypsyqueeninafairytale
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| Day: 24 Message: OH MY GOD!!!! I'm listening to a show from the DIRTY MIND tour!!! User: Abu
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| Day: 24 Message: D&W will do just fine. They'll perform for a half million people this summer and take home a couple million bucks each after taxes. Not too bad. User: Steve M.
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| Day: 24 Message: Just wondered how The 'Beaudacious Cowboys' gig at the Westport bar went the other night? I'm originally from Dundee, living near Perth now and have been known to frequent the Westport Bar. Sadly I had a band practice myself that night at Stage 2000. I'm curious as to who this lot are? Is it a Dan tribute thing or just a funky name? And is it really just an annual gig? Steve User: StAl
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| Day: 24 Message: Grammy shmammy. A little reality check... Metallica has 5 albums on the Billboard Top 20 Pop Catalog Sales charts with a total of 32 Million records sold. This does not account for the rest of the Metallica catalog not on this chart but probably selling well. The Metallica black album has sold at least HALF of ALL of Steely Dan's 9 studio recordings combined (13 million alone). Probably more like 75%... http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/popcat.jsp Sad but true. It's about the all mighty dollar sorry to say there Jimbo. The real problem besides the obvious economics is the fact that this band is not marketable to the mass audience that makes up the recording industry's target. Which is fine by me. I prefer Steely Dan remaining our little secret. A few years ago another band I liked hit pay dirt with a significant amount of mainstream success. The Barenaked Ladies are no longer a little secret here in the US. Now instead of watching them at a venue small enough to count the zits on Ed's face, I'm stuck having to go see them in a 20,000 seat arena. I don't like that. Not sure why so many are so eager to see these guys have mainstream recognition and success? Yuk! StAl User: W1P
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| Day: 24 Message: I hate Pink Floyd because they're depressing! User: Jimbo
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| Day: 24 Message: Toe-nz- Any word about the promotional materials for EMG? I just hope she does get them. I think the company should understand though that these two guys got the Grammy for Best Album two years ago. Not Metallica or Staind. So they should give the same priority to the Dan as they do with their other acts. Kamakiriad is out on DVD Audio today. User:
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| Day: 24 Message: I think we should cut z some slack. A man in the throes of deludin withdrawal will say *anything*. And it must be especially bad when your doctor is doing all your meds in front of you. User: StAL
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| Day: 24 Message: Geez. Go out of town for a few days and 3 of my favorite people show their faces, albeit in the case of Peg, briefly... How and the hell can anyone with taste hate Pink Floyd? Though I totally disagree with Z's assessment of Walter's participation on the last 2 discs I can see his point. Walter has a certain style that I've heard a few people complain it's too busy and noodling -- that is takes away from the subtle aspects of the rest of the music. I see this as a valid argument but I still really like Walter's style. It doesn't bother me one bit and, in fact, adds to the music instead of detracts. Like that yo-yo who says he "hates' Pink Floyd, we all have our opinions... Working on an alternate chat room with new features. Stay tuned. Peg, loveBob and Ducky -- don't be strangers. StAl User: W1P
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| Day: 24 Message: t -- I think he lives in the town of Bedrock, somewhere on positively 4th Street. Heads Up -- The Machine -- New York's Floyd tribute is playing Petaluma on 7/11 (Mystic Theater) and Avalon Ballrom SF on 7/12. They are excellent (though they insert "jams" in their songs rather than play them "straight" -- I have a boot with them playing No Quarter in the middle of Dogs. User: Teacher!
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| Day: 24 Message: #2- Respect for z? Ha! I have absoulty none. I've known many great musicians that have played in "wedding bands". But to come on a Steely Dan guestbook and constantly berate the bands music, there songs, and especially the co-founders playing is screwed up. Especially when all you've done yourself as a musician was to play in wedding bands. Hey, he even says that Purdie sucks! This is pure frustration and jealousy on z's part. Then he uses some alter ego to justify his stupidity. The guy is a loser...plain and simple..a loser. User: angel
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| Day: 24 Message: Everything Must Go Review by angel User: lp
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| Day: 24 Message: thanks miss crabtree - lol, good one - there's one in every class, isn't there? on deadline - will post soon User: hmph
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| Day: 24 Message: Face The Fece You gotta fool with foo-ools... dan dan Sorry 'bout that. User: Moll
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| Day: 24 Message: My Viking, it's just a number babe, and much better than the alternative. My schedule's been a jumbled mess since I took the teaching gig. Get in touch. I need to hear that lyrical voice of yours. *kisses* User: t
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| Day: 24 Message: stevied - I enjoyed your "channeling". It reminded me a bit of the first time I ever posted anything anywhere on the net, a few years ago on the SD newsgroup, when I was pulled out of lurkdom by some bonehead giving Walter shit for playing on his own music. "Crass" doesn't even begin to describe it. But it was fun batting him around a bit. W1P - I'll have to meet this "Mr. Music..." guy sometime... User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 24 Message: Pro wage gig? What's that? Ew, Mike Stern! User: stevie in eye of storm
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| Day: 24 Message: boy, tones. i WAS just goin' off there ! these people kill me. i was definitely channeling jack black and thanks for serving as the medium... teacher, actually i have great respect for z and am by no means talking down to him. alot of fine journeyman musicians never "make it" in the music "biz" and a wedding with purdie would be a kick-ass reception, in my opinion. i know what you mean, of course and maybe we're all a little frustrated at times. hell, i've known a fair number of really good players who have never made a pro wage for a gig in their life. thankfully, i've stayed safely out of that category and i know that z has as well... i just don't understand these criticisms of wb playing his own music. the man is talented and it's uncalled for. albert collins was no virtuoso but i'll take ANY of his records over carlton/ritenour smooth jazz dreck. btw, I LEFT OUT THE STERN'S (mike) in that list of creative guitarists. i can't believe i did that... User: duncan
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| Day: 24 Message: Pencil ready LP Forgot to mention two great tracks floating around this week. Bill; did you catch Lennox ''boxing'' @ the weekend ? great eh !! The future of music I can reveal is Peter Wyngardeàthis has to be heard !!!! User: W1P
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| Day: 23 Message: Yeah, I didn't realize that they were giving AFFoPF away as part of a pledge drive but I had no problem pitching support for public radio especially in these days of corporate control of labels and mass media. In addition, I got to cry about the Dodgers heartbreaking loss tonight and plug the Steely Dan Guestbook, you personally, Syd Barrett, Which One's Pink? and A Fair Forgery. A pretty nicely spent 10 minutes. User: t - studying for the test...
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| Day: 23 Message: W1P - dude! I caught the last part of you interview. I had gotten home late, and when I called the station to see how the interview went they said you were just about to call. So I turned the pasta water off and went back out to my car. Good to hear your voice. And thanks for supporting the station. Face - now ya done it! You've gone and made stevied use the shift key! What the fuck were you thinking?! To paraphrase Jack Black in High Fidelity: "Oh, I'm sorry... are you deaf?" User: W1P
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| Day: 23 Message: We are all acquainted with "Mr. Music in Marin County" ;-) User: Stevee(Typo)Dan
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| Day: 23 Message: Whoops ... Royce is an extremely gracious guy. (The "and" shouldn't have been in there ...) User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 23 Message: Thank you for your kind review of our gig last night Rajah. And you too Hutch. Very nice, and very appreciated. Pink, I am sorry that you had to attend to your Aja ... instead of hearing us play ours (in the second set). I'm pouring over the video tapes from last night's performance like a football coach ... last night we (Pretzel Logic) were graced and honored by a celebrity appearance ... a real live Steely Dan alumni ... ROYCE JONES Royce is an extremely gracious and guy. He brough his Father with him. They added a very nice touch of class to our show. I promised Royce that we wouldn't put him on the spot and ask him to come up to sing with us ... well, ... at least not last night !!! Hellos, and congrats to Miz Ducky, Bob Tedde & Co, and Torronto's very own ... PRETZEL LOGIC ... from ... User: Teacher! Leave us kids alone....
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| Day: 23 Message: #2- Don't mind z. He couldn't make it in the music biz. He got as far as playing weddings with Bernard Purdie. A very frustrated dude. User: stevierant #2
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| Day: 23 Message: and while i'm at it here... all this bad-mouthing wb's instrumental contribution... well it is... HIS music, last time i read the credits and i think his angular, spare, bluesy playing really fits the spaces nicely... that's just my over-bearing opinion, of course... but REALLY... z (especially you) and others, have you heard the current output of some of these players you list ? these are NOT the creative players of today. there's more creativity on some country records than these cats are representin'. i'm not saying they aren't capable of greatness, but apparently the arrangement and editing ears of b&f are required to inspire performances of said levels. no, the creative players today are the krantz's, holdsworths, mclaughlin's, henderson's, but to tell the truth, i think d&w have cut out the middle men in the guitar chair... and the bass playin' ? solid. it fits. it's THEIR music. it still is without peer. i don't see any of you posting on the lee ritenour page... User: lovebob
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| Day: 23 Message: PEG! - Sorry for the confusion. In my haste to express the flash I felt, (as i was feeling it) I said "muscular reflexes" , where I should have said "muscular movements". The concept from there is akin to a piece of Martin Grusin's vocal building technique, specifically the part where he claims that by moving the muscles manually into the correct places (you know, with his hands) that he is litterally creating muscle memory, and/or teaching the brain how it is supposed to feel. Hey, with that in mind, i wonder if I could lash my hands on to Keneally's and just have him go nuts for 15minutes a day.... Lovebob User: steviedan awestruck
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| Day: 23 Message: i know i shouldn't bother, but i just can't stand it. face the fece (sic): 1) BORING ? well, admittedly you HAVEN'T LISTENED to the album so i'll assume you heard a couple of cuts. one cut ? maybe even on the one or two cuts, your listening acumen is so superficial that you just don't hear it well, or at all. my music theory professor had these wise words that many of you should pay heed to. "never say you don't like something, just say you don't understand it. that way you can avoid displaying utter IGNORANCE." as a professional musician, I SAY that there is not ONE boring note, chord, rhythm, or REST on emg. face, are you a musician ? composer ? or just another tin-earred amateur critic wanting another ride on the paddle-boats of nostalgia ? 2) just out of curiosity, i'd love to hear your opinion on ANY current music that you find NON-boring. 3) "boring" is ALWAYS a term born of ignorance. i teach my children to NEVER utter this term. even rocks, dirt, and grass are not boring when viewed in enough DEPTH. so buy the album and DIG... if you have a decent shovel... User: Peg
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| Day: 23 Message: lovebob: what???? User: lovebob
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| Day: 23 Message: {SHIT- I thought this posted just BEFORE my short post to IHPF. Sorry} IHPF- Is there gas in the automobile? The Hooked On Fagen Fonics-syndrom is a weird but not wholely uncool experience, and I wonder with age if it isn't something DF has discovered (and maybe happily succumbed to) himself. Woa wait, what did i just say??? Okay, okay, there's this set of muscular reflexes (and the key word here is "set") that when stumbled upon by humans using 'there' vocal chords for speech, (something nature never intended) create a series of reverse neurotransmissions which trigger the release of a natural heroine analog into the bloodstream. Or maybe it bypasses the chemical stage all together and goes directly interpretation. Either way, from a signal path standpoint, it's like rewiring a bass cabinet so that the speaker becomes a large diaphragm, which can be used to capture bigger sounds which can then be sent back to the recording device for tracking. (see the Beatles Paperback Writer) From an addiction standpoint, the body remembers and is positively chemically reinforced (much like those rats they taught how to roll up $100 bills on PBS.) Okay {pffffffffffff } are you still with me? The tail is wagging the dog here, right? I mean if by simply staggering, and slurring ones speech you could evoke a real (or maybe realler than real) feeling of having downed an evenings worth of alcohol, but with none of the side effects, wouldn't you do it? The fact that these complex combinations of neuron firings has been stumbled upon by a 'leed' vocalist jives at the very least from the standpoint that the sound produced is perceived by the ears and -SPLANG- ... biofeedbackàchemical releaseà positive reinforcement. Oh Christ, thereÆs more... Remember, i said these were a complex "set" or "series" of muscular abnormalties, which suggests something pre programmed. PRE FRIGGIN' PROGRAMMED? BY WHOM? OR WHAT? {pfffffffffffffp} Sorry, i got excited there. By whom or what is unimportant for the purposes of relaying this concept (although it might shed some light on the peripheral motivations behind the Godwhacker lyrics, although I contend that both Donald and i are more smitten than sighted) For the sake of wrapping this up, let's go with evolution. First of all, it may be the height of presumption for me to suggest that I am perhaps the first human being to be able to consciously perceive a major evolutionary step in progress, but therein lies a crux (if you can have more than one cruxes): the idea that one person in the historically miniscule span of æthereÆ lifetime can, with the aid of technology (specifically, in this case, mass communication) be THE catalyst for an evolutionary change in the species. Look {pffffffffp} I can attest first hand that singing SD songs with increasingly chewy elongated vowels to them feeeels reeeeeeaaaally goooood. I don't pretend to have all of the answers, but i do feel i posses an overwhelming majority of the important questions: If an immensely complicated, set of sequential codes are indeed PRE-PROGRAMMED into the "soft machine", doesnÆt it make sense that one man with a microphone could spread the ôawarenessö like an audio virus to the æevolvedÆ subset of the species? And IS it a sleeper awoken in a species on the verge of evolving, or the ôrunö command for a self- destruct program? (Use ôsomaö from æA Brave New WorldÆ as a jump off point, and do the math.) You reading this (yes you, arenÆt you irresistibly drawn to the sound of DFÆs voice? How many casual Steely Dan fans do you know? DonÆt you find that people are either disturbingly in love with them, or they ôjust donÆt get it? When you sing æGaucho æ in the shower (presumably alone, or at the most in pairs) donÆt you add just a little whine and stretch to your pronunciation? Ask yourself, is there gas in the caaaah? Think long and hard before you answer. It may be the beginning of the end. lovebob User: Hutch
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| Day: 23 Message: Rajah of Erase - That was quite a well written review. How about doing one up for us on EMG? Judging by the rendition of Babylon Sisters on the Steely Knives cd I'd say Steve & Co. have a smokin' band. And The Steely Damned have DEFINITELY got it going on as well. Bob, you've got a helluva PR/Marketing person there in the Duck! Got my tickets for Manassas on Saturday... seventh row orchestra just a bit left of center. I was really surprised that Ticketmaster never posted the prices on the webpage. I kept refreshing the screen as the seconds ticked up to 12 noon and the prices never appeared until it was time to order them. Is that normal? David - Carlock kicks ass doesn't he? I really like some of the stuff he's doing toward the end of Lunch With Gina. Cool fills. Hutch User: btw, new releases:
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| Day: 23 Message: Liz Phair - cd booklet with PHOTOS! Oh, and music... Michael McDonald - Motown Bob Marley and the Wailers - live @ Roxy 1976; complete concert Bowie - Aladdin Sane 30th anniversary edition with bonus tracks Jay Farrar Willie Nelson and Friends - live Dwight Yoakum User: W1P
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| Day: 23 Message: Tones, this aint no exclusive invertivew -- I would gladly make myself available to drone on about AFFoPF on your show. Lovebob, excellent Last Mall, dude. User: lovebob
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| Day: 23 Message: IHPF- Oh yeah, the early Dan period is much more difficult to reproduce live than the later stuff. lovebob User: I've been scooped!!
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| Day: 23 Message: W1P - maaaaaaaaaaaaan... *I* should have thought about doing the phone interview! Lol... well, I'll have to go out and sit in my car to hear the broadcast, though the way things are going here at work today I'll probably just be getting home. z - Will Lee? Can you say "generic"? Of course, that's almost a pre-requisite when you're a studio mercenary, isn't it? Wouldn't want any serious personality to leak into those jingles... I can't believe it - two duck sightings in one day! I'm playing the lotto tonight! t User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 23 Message: Even though I'm still chuckling from "Did you see those lumbering fingers slap down on 'Bad Sneakers'", I don't want to front any anti-Becker campaign here. User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 23 Message: Gotta send out thanks to Pretzel Logic for last night's ride at the Baked Potato in Universal City. These folks ripped off two 75 minute sets that just wore out a very uncharacteristically warm and demonstrative crowd by L.A. standards. The Sunday night crowd acted like a Friday-before-4th-of-July-weekend crowd. Maybe it was because everything PL tried worked, it was one of those nights where the players could just do no wrong. Rhythm players so solid and confident, aided in great measure by a very active and percussive keyboardist, thanks Steve; two guitarists, different in approach and yet verry together, smooth horns, pleasing vocal arrangements led by our Maestro Warren who managed to ride above all the layers laid down by the band and yet somehow not draw too much attention to himself, nice touch that. Maybe they sold their souls to Slinky Redfoot. Tune in next time. User: z
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| Day: 23 Message: DACW- What are you trying to say? User: W1P
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| Day: 23 Message: Yes, I will be on the radio in Marin County around 11:00 p.m. this evening (Monday June 23 -- 90.5 FM, KWMR Pt. Reyes, CA) talking about A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd. (It's also available at 89.3 FM which they tell me can be picked up in Bolinas, Stinson Beach and the even in The City (well, only the Sunset District)! Tones? User: DACW
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| Day: 23 Message: GC - like near Ft. Myers...the winter home...Vineyard is the summer home... Jill Paton Walsh's Green Book is at home among the kids' collection...alien planet (Shine)...dying earth...Upbeat An-nihiliism for Kidz: http://www.spaghettibookclub.org/review.php3?review_id=925 User: Miss. Crabtree
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| Day: 23 Message: lp- Here is your one question test. A)The house on the Gold coast You got it wrong last time. Try it again Miss Crabtree User: Face The Face
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| Day: 23 Message: From what I have heard from the new album, I can only say I hope it is not representative of the work in total. Emmanuel hit it on the head - boring was the first adjective that came to mind. Am still hoping to run into one or both at the Slaughtered Lamb on a Wednesday night... User: lp, attention please
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| Day: 23 Message: testing 1-2-3 your test is pending - get your no. 2 pencil ready be back later this week or before to post it, multiple choice this time, folks! no phone, no cable, no internet in my summer cabin - wow- next thing you know, well, whatever... User: The Viking
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| Day: 23 Message: Hey t - post 2774 - i gotta admit youre right, no-one else sounds like Steely Dan. And stop takin everythin so seriously guys. I dont even particularly like StainD, someon else wrote somethin about em and I was just idlin away the hours by startin another fight. I like nearly all kinds of tunes, right across the board, I just happened to have picked up St.Anger that day and i was in a metal mood. (metal,mental, who knows) anyways, good ta see yer all still as feisty as ever. User: angel
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| Day: 23 Message: The Blues will be airing on PBS, Sept 28th. 6 different directors (including Martin Scorsese, Clint Eastwood and Wim Wenders) and 6 different films. Best line about the show.... User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 23 Message: On dvdempire.com the currrent No.1 bestselling dvd-A is EMG!!!!! No.3 is Kamakiriad!!! (and it's not even available yet!) User: angel
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| Day: 23 Message: Ducky: Surprised that T.S.D. managed to get it as together as it is. I finished up work at 5:40P and just sighed. Another lost opportunity to see them. Thanks for the clip, it helps. User: Miz Ducky
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| Day: 23 Message: My understanding from Bob was that he really was *NOT* consciously trying to sound like Fagen on the vocal in that "The Last Mall" recording! But somehow the melody, the fit of the lyrics, not to mention the newness of the song, worked together in the heat of that first live-with-an-audience performance, and that's how the vocal came out. And actually, the Fagenesque vocal quality sounds a bit more pronounced on this recording than I recall it sounding live at the outdoor show where the clip was recorded. In any case, I expect that once they've performed it a few more times, Bob will sound more like his usual The Steely Damned vocal style. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the clip lots--including that vocal! /the duck User: IHPF (I Hate Pink Flyod)
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| Day: 23 Message: Bob Tedde- One of things I did like about the Steely Damned was that the leed singer (you) never tried to sing/sound like Donald Fagen. Why did you start now with The Last Mall? It just doesn't fit your style. You just sound very, very cheesey. What's next? Are you going start curling up your lip when you sing Pixeleen? May be you should stick to covering there early stuff. It's just not as hard to play. Go back to singing like Bob Tedde. Go back to being the #1 Steely Dan tribute band in the country. (Clas, keep your mouth shut!) Miz Duckey- Do you agree? User: Miz Ducky
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| Day: 23 Message: Heh. What lovebob neglected to say (due to his own modest, not to mention perfectionistic, nature) is that even with the recording/sound vagaries he noted, the recording of "The Last Mall" he and The Steely Damned laid down this past Friday absolutely freakin' RAWKS. The guys nailed it amazingly well considering the brief lead time. Y'all should give a listen ASAP. That URL again: http://www.TheSteelyDamned.com. Me, I've been busier than I have ever been in my entire life, trying to keep up with this lovebob dude and his two very-active bands. But life is good. And hey! there's new Dan! and I'm lovin' it to pieces! /the duck P.S.--Hello, my dear Mr. Pink! And all the other folks out there in YellowBookLand! User: W1P
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| Day: 23 Message: Steeve, my pass was revoked (not by April, but by Aja). Lovebob -- don't worry, those board tapes NEVER get the bass anywhere near right. I'm sure that all but the most close minded will give you the benefit of the doubt. User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 23 Message: Emmanuel, I have never been one to jump at new formats. I didn't even get the other 3.1 speakers for my surround sound system for a long time. But I finally did in about December 2001. I enjoyed a few DVD movies where the 5.1 surround sound was used. Mostly it was a gimmick, like Sensaround, where you could hear a helicopter fly behind you and around to the front speakers. How often is that required dramatically? But using this technology for music really does open up possibilities. For one thing, it gives a producer a chance to mix an album again. I watched the 'Making of Aja' DVD with rapt attention as Donald and Walter sat at the sound board and showed us all the little subtleties that we barely heard in the original mix. And sometimes if you hear a SD album on a different stereo you might notice certain sounds for the first time due to a different equalization or whatever. With DVD-A, the producer gets a chance to position each player in the sound field in a way that gives the listener the flexibility to enjoy the performance more like you would a live performance in a club. Each performance stand on its own a bit more. I wanted to hear what Ms. Leonhart was singing on 'Blues Beach' so I cocked my head toward the left rear speaker and heard her parts quite distinctly. Notwithstanding the previous sentence, the more distinct voicings given to the players do not detract from the overall harmony of the sound. It's just easier to pick out individual performances from 5.1 tracks than 2. Eons ago, there was a company that marketed 'Original Master Recordings' of classic rock albums. They were priced ten dollars more than the regular LPs. I bought Genesis' 'Trick of the Tail' and to my ears (and stereo) there was not much difference between the more expensive disc and the cheapo I had. 5.1 Surround Sound is a world apart. Now I have to start budgetting to collect more SD 5.1!!!!!!! User: Floridavid
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| Day: 23 Message: I guess even the rain that plagued other parts of the country decided it needed a warmer place to hang...'cuz it's been on vacation in Florida for a week now. Looks like it may let up soon though. Also, I got a couple of Tix for Sept 16 at the Tampa Sundome shows. Floor seats, Row #25...a nice change from the "Nosebleed" section I ended up in I'm really digging EMG. I'm not one to critique the work of D&W but, I've enjoyed all of your efforts in doing so. Later, David User: Randy
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| Day: 23 Message: Aside from 'Everything Must Go,' virtually the only other new release of note (for me) these last few years is the new Steve Winwood album, 'About Time,' which came out last Tuesday; it's somewhat of a stylistic throwback to the B3-organ centered work of Traffic and/or Spencer Davis Group, with some nice latin percussion and extended organ and guitar soloing. The single ("Different Light") sounds very much like updated Traffic, and "Silvia (Who Is She?)" may be one of Winwood's best solo tracks ever; superb- Randy User: duncan
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| Day: 23 Message: Welcome Emmanuel I've just had my 2nd birthday here & love the place ''ALIEN'' tummy this weekend & 26 week scan on thursday. Got some Bowie tickets yesterday so if i can't make NY NY show i shan't be to dissapointed & Linda's never seen him before. Anyhow make yourself at home User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 23 Message: Well Steven, that's the first thing I ever read that makes me want DVD-A too. G - 'With A Twist', just finished listening to it, haven't really found any self-mockery... more the opposite, it gives me the idea Todd wants to drive home the fact that he did compose some good songs in his day... Consider this. A couple of years prior to the recording of this album, Todd wanted to re-issue old albums with multimedia - "you can choose to replace a melody that wasn't so great with improved ones". That, to me, already sounded like Todd wanting to update his stuff, as a musical George Lucas. Then just after With A Twist, we got an album of Todd remixes and a tribute album by other artists, putting the tunes to more modern sounds. All in all, I think Todd is taking himself more seriously than he is letting on. Apart from all that, I really like With A Twist, because it does sound better. User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 23 Message: Just a quick thought from me. The first DVD-A I ever heard was EMG last week. If the mp3's (or the streaming feed through my little PC speakers) was a 1.0 on the 'good sound meter', then the actual CD was a 10. The main differences were the much deeper sounds, clearer definition of the individual instruments' parts and the layering of the players one upon the other. The DVD-A would be a 50. So much of the quality of the individual performances shines through. By concentrating on a particular channel and which artists' performance is coming through, it's like standing right in front of them on the bandstand and really taking in every subtlety. I continue to give EMG top marks across the board. Classic Steely Dan. User: .
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| Day: 23 Message: Steely Dan back with some wry and witty thoughts on sex and death By Jim Farber Then again, does Steely Dan have any peers? Who else on the current scene is writing jazz-inflected, oddly keyed songs that address subjects like death, lechery and a whimsically bloodthirsty God? Steely Dan tackles those subjects and more on "Everything Must Go," their sly chaser to "Two Against Nature." It arrived in stores Tuesday. Again, the disc pulls a trick Steely Dan patented on its long string of hits in the '70s - matching smoothly strange music to lyrics marked by a withering smirk. The new songs, written by Fagen and Walter Becker, his sonic partner of the last 30 years, deal prominently with death. But they're funny about it. "Otherwise, why bother?" says Fagen. In the album's opening and closing tracks ("The Last Mall" and "Everything Must Go"), the guys deal with demise in metaphors drawn from the ultimate American language - marketing. "Attention all shoppers/It's cancellation day," Fagen sings. "Yes, the big adios/It's just a few hours away." In the title track, he croons, "I move to dissolve the corporation/In a pool of margaritas Crankin' up the afterglow Everything must go." Fagen credits the group's dedication to black humor to the way they write. "We try to crack each other up," he says. "Walter will throw in a line, and then I'll add something to advance the story, so you get that schizophrenic approach. You get the character's consciousness from two points of view: inside and out." Naturally, the duo see themselves as outsiders, dating back to their childhoods during the conformist '50s. "We grew up pretty much detached from what happened in the world," Fagen says. "Part of it is being a jazz fan. When you're listening to that instead of Frankie Avalon, you're not going to have a lot of friends. And there's this interesting anti-social constitution that seems to go with jazz, science fiction and foreign movies. "(Growing up,) we had our eyes open looking for some alternative culture - something that felt alive," he continues. "Now people look at the '50s as this swell time with interesting-looking diners. But I remember this despondence. Everything was locked up tight, and there was this crushing racism." Fagen says he even found excessive conformity in the way jazz was taught at Boston's Berklee College of Music, which he attended in 1966. He met Becker the next year, while they attended the arty Bard College. From there, the two cooked up a jazzy pop-rock sound that barely left the FM radio dial from 1972 until the end of Steely Dan's initial phase, in 1980. Along the way, it spawned such a range of smash albums, from "Pretzel Logic" to "Aja." The duo then split to record solo albums. Fagen and Becker reunited in the mid-'90s, first for a tour, then for "Two Against Nature" - an album that sounded like it could have been recorded moments after their last project, 1980's "Gaucho." Fagen credits the fast followup to "Two Against Nature" to a surplus of ideas for that one album - and to having a crack live band ready to go right into the studio. On the new album's lyrics, the duo employs a few character types they've touched on before. In "Green Book," they give us a variation on the lustful middle-aged man they've explored in songs ranging from "Hey Nineteen" to "Cousin Dupree." Fagen isn't defensive about the lecherousness of these characters. "As (they) get older, a lot of people abandon their appreciation of beauty and sensuality," he says. "When people get married, they pretend that they've closed that door, but I think it's important to keep your fantasy life intact." Fantasy sex comes into play in several new songs, via virtual-reality video-game characters, like one they made up for "Pixeleen." "As the virtual world becomes more real, so the real world is becoming more virtual," Fagen says. "Human behavior has become more simplified in a way, with less detail. People in America have had so much of their lives administered by the electronic image. You have to wonder: What is authenticity? Does it even exist anymore?" Raising such questions has been Steely Dan's prickly mission from the start. Fagen says the group saw itself as skeptical even when it was most accepted by the in-crowd. "We always felt just as cut off from the counterculture that we were supposed to be part of as from the larger culture," he says. "We were never interested in adolescent culture. We tried to write mature music. Even though Walter and I aren't the kind of people anyone would describe as mature, we took from jazz and blues the idea that you should write about real stuff and try not to lie." The amazing part is the group managed to do so while drawing a large audience. Fagen credits this to "a small window of time in which something different could sneak through - the moment when FM radio was growing, but hadn't yet become petrified." As such, he admits feeling like the band got away with something. "Maybe we should be punished," he says. "But I prefer to think we just got lucky." User: ps
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| Day: 23 Message: The trigger ... i think it's the intro to "Lolly Lolly" and the colors in the extended version of this track .. familiar similar rings in LWG ... Music doesn't need to be groundbreaking or renewing, not to me it does. We all know the music of Steely Dan for decades and some of the die hard fans are also die hard critics, which is fine if that's a drive from within ... and music's a hard-to-pin-down thing anyhow, like ideas and thoughts are universal and the same idea may occur in minds of people geographically apart and such but nevertheless, their ideas are similar. Something to stir up a fight over, or something to accept as one of those vibey facts of life, right? Just roll over, play dead and let the music (any music) take charge :-) User: Tommy Vercetti
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| Day: 23 Message: Cut to the chase. EMG is the dogs bollocks and wipes their previous effort off the radar. My faith in Steeldom has been restored and I can laugh again in the faces of my contemporaries who don't get the old reprobates. Losers. Anyway there's nothing wrong with a little exclusivity. The days really don't last forever Isn't pixeleen about a Lara Croft out of tomb raider fantasy. Loved 'better keep it real - or whatever' The green book comes across as based in some cyber chat room. 'The crazy grid of desire' Godwhacker sounds pretty enigmatic Is 'It's your fault daddy' a knock at daddy Bush's business connections to the bin laden family or support of osamas's mujahedin. I guess everyone can interpret that track their own way. User: Gina
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| Day: 23 Message: Howdy ...Godwhacker's last 89 seconds now sliding into Slang of Ages ... can't help but feel something very sweet which is also present in Book of Liars ... music and melody wise ... as far as lyrics and/or story is concerned, both Slang of Ages and Book of Liars sound like they're about this gender trap and maybe even attempts to understand the other sexe but it's clear there's a distance and from the storyteller's point of view he couldn't really care less in a way ... like in Lunch with Gina an example of attraction or contact between a man and a woman and how this can differ depending on the nature of the relationship, expectations or knowledge and sentiments, fantasy, imagination involved ... hey Emmanuel, als je op de link (URL) klikt, bovenaan dit bericht, dan kom je in een ander Steely Dan forum, bekend als de Blue Book ... deze beide forums opereren naast elkaar en vormen eigenlijk geen concurrentie maar de geschiedenis leert echter dat het er vreemd aan toe kan gaan in de online wereldjes en sientjes :-) Did expect Lisa G. to come around here ... would love to read here in here again :-) And since everyone's comparing the EMG songs to other songs from past and present, i mean, there's always a familiar beat or some passage to trigger an memory and all ... listening to Lunch with Gina also brings me back to the days of Wendy & Lisa and their uptempo beats and cool bass in one of their singles ... the "Baby" one or the next, i dunno, it's a blur :-) Banyan Tree Summer Soul's Ties Bow, User: Brett
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| Day: 22 Message: The first record I ever ordered from Columbia House was Pretzel Logic in 1974. I have listened to every Dan album no less than 500 times since then--(this is confirmed by the helium-cooled cryptosonic bean-counter in my cranium)--and EMG sounds BETTER than any of them. I'm not talking content--only time will tell if the Rajahs of Erase still make me grin in 20 years--but this work has no peer as far as sonic quality--and that's one of the reasons I've loved this band anyway--their masterful tweaking of technology. Steely Dan makes the world better and you know it right away--just imagine if they made a car or orange juice or even gum arabic. It would be better even if you couldn't explain why... Steely Ice Cream? B User: Don Breithaupt
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| Day: 22 Message: URGENT NOTICE FOR TORONTO DAN FANS! du Maurier Downtown Jazz PRETZEL LOGIC 10-pc ultra-tight SD tribute Monday June 23 User: lovebob
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| Day: 22 Message: RE: TSD Live- THE LAST MALL Hi again, Bob Tedde here. First off, sorry to have hit and run last week. I know i owe some folks a holler back, and I'm workin' on it. (especially Hoops. thanks for the e-mail) . Anyways, it's up. It's loose. It's fun. You can barely hear the bass, I'm trying too hard to sound like DF etc. etc. http://www.thesteelydamned.com lb User: DACW
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| Day: 22 Message: z: Yeah, where was Carlton for Black Friday, Bad Sneakers. Pretzel Logic, Aja (middle solo), Home At Last, I Got the News, Josie, Hey 19, Snowbound, What a Shame About Me, West of Hollywood, Godwhacker... Well, the local fishwrap clocks in on EMG [annotated]: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/ae/music/albums/1959747 "A simpler Steely Dan? [Nothing by Steely Dan is simple with the exception of "Change of the Guard"] [Perhaps, you mistaken live tracking and more 30s and 40s Ellington to Charles Brown Blues for simplicity] Becker, Fagen still inventive, but less so on 'Everything' HEAR IT NOW Audio: Clips from Everything Must Go by Steely Dan: [these are the only songs I listened completely to] Everything Must Go now puts Steely Dan's eclectic jazz-rock in a precarious position. Has coming back after a relatively short three years {the classic albums CBAT, CTE, PL KL, RS, and Aja were recorded from 1972-1977] forced the duo to simplify its intricate sound to sustain momentum? Fagen and Becker would surely say "no." [yes, because complex chord, and new mu ones at that, minor keys with numerous changes abound...the live tracking with virtually the same band harkens back to the Katy Lied recording with a core or professionals. The lyrics are more complex that TvN and more opaque. There are numerous spontaneous and cleve percussive and thematic sweeteners throughout...but with that sugar, this is not ear candy, there's a tart lemonade...] But the blues-influenced bass and soft, slow rollout of guitars on The Last Mall could fool one into believing they are at least mildly interested in being more accessible. [There has neve been a time when Steely Dan has sounded more out of the mainstream than now. I DARE you to find a 40s jazz horn chart on another pop band today] (Yes, it's the blood Orangge Sky sale... Things I Miss the Most may be the most radio-ready track Steely Dan has created since Rikki Don't Lose That Number. [Not a chance in the netherworld of this beeing a hit]. A saxophone interlude [sorry, so SAX allowed on singles!] leads into Fagen's succinct nostalgia [no, they're laughing AT him, now with him - must be the comfy Eames chair] about what he wishes he could have back from a former lover. The list reads from the intimate ("The talk/the sex/Someone to trust.") to the mundane ("The comfy Eames chair/the good copper pans"). Becker's guitar whines in the spaces as if to say, "What about the girl?" but whispering Fagen never cops to it. [didn't you just say nostalgia - it's called the imperect narraotr a trademark of Dan and better literary artists of the last half century] Godwhacker hides in Becker's guitar and harmonica exclamations, but it is built on two simple loops [hello!! this album was live traked - no loops except in the Berber carpet of the studio...alos, that's Hugh McCraken's guitar, no a bass] : an ascending bass line intertwined with a closed-cymbal roll. Fortunately, Steely Dan hasn't completely lost its knack for cryptonics. Slang of Ages is a set of incongruous stanzas presented by Becker in the talk-sing style favored by Lou Reed. The theme is hazy, but treads on the same love and generation-gap theme of smash Hey Nineteen. [no it's a Earthling-alien gap] At his best, Fagen creates landscapes better than character profiles as his voice melts into the organ mix on Lunch With Gina and Green Book. The tracks are arranged in the bebop jazz style of '70s Steely Dan, taking cues from Charlie Parker records. {Greenbook is pure 40s film noir Ellington style...the tune from luch with gina is more 50s TV ad sound, cool jazz, Mancini than bop - TvN was the bop album...Aja was 50s and early 60s LA cool jazz...the title cut is a better bet for bop] The staccato chord and kettle-whistle melody of Blues Beach has the feel of a Coney Island getaway. But between Fagen's lyrical sidetrips to Central Station and Medicine Park, it's difficult to identify his final destination. [Nookyular Winter, dude] And good luck trying to figure out what a "paranymphic glider" might be. (A paranymph is a bridesmaid or best man. Only Steely Dan knows how it equates to human flight.) [sail above the always a bridesmaid terra firma to Any World sailing above the problems - escapism is another common SD theme] Everything Must Go may not get the award-winning attention that Two Against Nature did. [why not? It's got better tunes, lyrics, tighter playing...it swings] That kind of synergy [I prefer syncopation over a dead on groove] is often a matter of timing, and Steely Dan can only come back once after a two-decade hiatus. As an introduction to a duo still creating some of the most dense and complex arrangements ever associated with rock 'n' roll, however, this may be the most manageable album yet. {Don't get fooled by Elmer Fudd...Try playing it!] Picture Caption User: W1P
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| Day: 22 Message: Well z, its not too late -- come across with a hefty reatainer and together we'll sue 3 Doors Down for lifting Floyd's album title for the lyrics in Kryptonite User: z
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| Day: 22 Message: Emmanuel- Don't listen to what these turncoats say about WB- Carlton, Herington, Skunk, Randall, Dias, McKracken, all could've played better than WB and Rainey and all the other bass players could have played better bass than him also. User: tonesy
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| Day: 22 Message: Possibly rehashing a previous observation here: forgot to mention that the liner notes for the Kamakiriad dvd-a are taken from an essay by the late Timothy White, who, as someone noted earlier, mentioned an Eames chair in one of his writings about Kamakiriad. I was leaning in that direction, but now I'm thinking the Eames chair reference in TTIMTM is definitely a nod to him. Here's Granatino's link to the original reference: http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/21news.htm t User: Lars
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| Day: 22 Message: Emmanuel - I liked your review. Thoughtful and personal. This board is full of people who thinks that if you "you're not with us - you're against us". You know, just like that Bush our yours. L User: Moll
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| Day: 22 Message: oops.......Sorry Stevee! Everything is great here in Hooterville. Say "hi" to Mrs. Stevee and kiss J for me. User: tones
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| Day: 22 Message: emm - Lol... you'll do fine around here as long as you don't mind dodging and applying the occasional (and sometimes more than occasional) steely knife. We've all had our battles here, and most of us have scars to share and compare. Like any... uh... "family", sometimes you have to dish it out as well as take it. But personally I think it keeps it "real", whatever that means on a forum like this; it keeps the pretension to a healthy minimum since there's always somebody ready to call you on it... But if you don't mind playing "whack the mole" every now and then this place is usually pretty groovy... ------------------- Hey! This new Metallica is pretty good! User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 22 Message: Ok, all points conceded, and thanks for burying the hatchet so quickly for a ranting newbie. I'll try to make myself entirely clear. And then that's the last I'll (try to) say about it. I'm just as hard-headed a Dan man as the rest of you. Been trying out Any Major Dude on the piano today. Wrote a song about the world of the Dan ten years ago. Got The Nightfly on my wall. Did a reggae version of Maxine. But should that take away my right to be critical? I don't much care for Kamikiriad, I think Josie is dull and I think I preferred the invited session musicians to Becker's handiwork. That's all, though. I still love the album. More so than my friends who know more about music. User: STeveeDan
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| Day: 22 Message: Emmanuel - see, I can spell it like you want ... twice now ... The thing about this posting board, is that most of us are really heavy Steely Dan fanatics. So, if you are creating a new presence for yourself, it is hard to get accepted into the "fold" with disparaging comments about our music heros. Even if what you say is valid, and all opinions are valid, even if they are not wholly agreed with, a negative take on the Dan will never go over well here. I know ... it's not fair. But that's the way it is. Even in my Steely Dan tribute band, some of our musicians are not that excited about the new CD. I certainly don't hate them for it. Truth be known, some of these people are the best musicians I have ever played with and their resumes read like a veritable "who's who" of the music industry. All I can do is to humbly request that they simply keep listening to the new CD ... and then, I can force my newly written take-down charts on them for possible inclusion into our future gigs ... But hey, I'm still trying to get Your Gold Teeth I & II (we've nicknamed them ... as a pair of tunes ... "The Dental Suite") into our sets. I would opt for this over newer tunes. In any case Emmanuel (that's 3 times now ...), differing opinions are what makes the spice of life. If we can refrain from personal attacks, I think that we can all be heard (or read, as the case may be). There is always a little bit of knowledge to be learned from other people's opinions ... even if we don't agree with most of it. Gotta go ... time to print out band set lists, and etc. User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 22 Message: Thanks Stevee, See, a comment like that is far more convincing if I'm ever to re-assess Becker's soloing. User: It's SteveeDan ... with an EE
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| Day: 22 Message: Molly - Hi there. I just wanted to make sure that you knew that it was Steviedan from the eastern part of the US and not me who wrote about Peter. I hope all is well with you and yours. Emmanuel - clearly, a lot of us appreciate Walter Becker's soloing style more than you do. By the way, I'm sure that Eric Clapton will really appreciate what you had to say about his last 30 years. I found what you wrote to be funny actually. 9 Hours before downbeat ... at The Baked Potato ... User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 22 Message: Mister, Of course it's not, don't be childish. It's just a matter of taste. I'm buying friggin' Ricky Ross records because it features Jeff Skunk Baxter. Just happens to be my taste. And revies are always based on taste. So when I add my thoughts to this board, which I thought it was for, don't be insulted. Mistyping someone's name twice is far more insulting. User: Mr. Assholes
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| Day: 22 Message: Emannual- I happen to love Mr. Becker's playing on EMG. Calling it "boring" is insulting anybody that knows anything about music! User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 22 Message: Sorry mr. Assholes, Didn't mean to insult you, still wonder why you feel insulted. User: Hank Silvers
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| Day: 22 Message: QUOTE: "I never thought I'd write this ... but Walter Becker and Donald Fagen sound boringly, grindingly middle-aged. (EMG contains)...anal vamps with chokingly short-leashed solos." The reviewer does allow as how the "engineering is exceptional." (Shrugging, shaking head, and dumping the paper in the recycling pile) Whatever, man... User: Opinions are like assholes...everybody has one
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| Day: 22 Message: Emmanual- The only thing that was "boring" was your review! User: Moll
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| Day: 22 Message: Stevee, what's your point? Peter is my friend, I have no control over what he posts or how he behaves. His birthday was June 19th. I simply wished him a Happy Birthday. I usually try to acknowledge most people on here and all of my friends on their special days. As I posted before, I wish my Viking didn't try to wind people up whenever he is bored and spoiling for an arguement. I also wish he didn't fight in bars, drive his motorcycle like a madman, and do the numerous self-destructive things that he does. I pray that one day he won't feel the need to behave that way. However, even though I don't like some of his actions, I love Peter. I always will. His many honorable qualities outweigh his flaws. User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 22 Message: Sunday morning, nothing better to do than review Everything Must Go. In my opinion you can't review a Dan album before listening to it over ten times; the first time I hear one, I always think it's weird. So now, after two weeks, here's my throw at it. Last Mall Things I Miss The Most Blues Beach Godwhacker Slang Of Ages Green Book Pixeleen Everything Must Go ...Overall, I do like it as much as their previous album, but if Becker had allowed some more space for McCracken I think it might have been even better. I always fear for musicians losing their fire with age, and I think Becker's guitar can be put in the same storage locker as Phil Collins' microphone, Sting's mixing console and Eric Clapton's entire back catalogue from the last 30 years. On the other hand, Donald seems to come into his own more and more, and he may be one of the first of the great musicians from the seventies who ages with grace. User: SteveezzzzzzzzDanzzzzz
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| Day: 22 Message: Oops ... a typo in the sentence: Should have been unusual chord changes ... Hey ... it's late. User: Stevee(Pixel)Dan
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| Day: 22 Message: My previous post was at 11:45 (just before midnight) ... This post is at almost 3 AM ... I just cracked Pixeleen. (Sorry Clas ... it's handwritten, so it's nowhere near e-mailing yet ...). The interesting thing about this new batch of songs is that for the most part, you can pick up what they are doing for about 90% of each song. Even the slightly unusual chord changed are fairly easy to pick up ... it's that remaining 10% of the chords and the quick and quirky chord changes and modal shifts that take most of the time to figure out. Man, this stuff is fun. OK ... a little practicing and it's off to bed. ... Be good ... my three-times ultrateens ... of all ages. User: SteveeDan ... live at the Tropicana
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| Day: 21 Message: You do? Who gave that to you ?!? ... You are entirely welcome, of course. And as far as paying to download one or two songs from an album, versus obtaining the entire album ... (I see now that I missed an important aspect of your previous post to St. Al ... oops ...) Isn't getting a couple of songs from the entire album of songs sort of like buying the 45 single (Sides A and B of course) as opposed to buying the long-playing 33 RPM album? We all know that not every album is a "wall to wall" work of art, like say, Tommy, or Dark Side Of The Moon, or Sgt. Peppers, etc. In these examples, I could never understand why anyone wouldn't want the entire album, but I bet there are those who might only like Pinball Wizard, or Money, or, A Day In The Life ... and not want to get the entire album. That by the way, would NOT be me. Art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder ... or Jackie Gleason (Art Carney ... I know ... awful Joke! ... well, ... to the moon Alice !!!) Have you heard about the flasher who spent the afternoon in the art park flashing the statues? It really happened. A photographer caught this guy in the act and had the photo published ... the caption read: ... "Expose Yourself To Art" ... bid-a-BOOM ... bid-a-aw forget it. User: W1P
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| Day: 21 Message: Well, I think the issue addressed in the article is "pay per download" and artists complaining about the downloading of individual tracks instead of full albums (aka works of art). Anyway, I have a free pass tomorrow making the odds of a Baked Potato appearance very high User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 21 Message: W1P - I wanted to add my views to what you posted to St. Al a few posts ago. I certainly can understand why an artist would be reluctant to allow people to download a song or even an entire CD of songs without having paid for the priviledge. Some people love an artist's entire album, others only like a couple of songs, so, whether an artist has made that compelling CD or not is subjective which can blur this distinction. For example, Dr. Mu loves Ben Folds, and I am just so-so on Ben Folds. My question is ... how does a free download negate the downloaded album as a form or art ... or an artform? If you could download The Who's Tommy, or Who's Next, would that action minimize the impact and excellence of these records? I agree that I do not like paying for CDs that have only a couple of good tunes while the rest of it (in my opinion only of course) is not great, but that has always been the gamble with buying an LP or CD that you don't know much about. In the case of Steely Dan's Everything Must Go, I certainly love everything that they do, so even if by someone else's standards, the common belief was that EMG was thought to be only a mediocre CD, it wouldn't matter to me ... I would buy it at once and love it. Furthermore, since I, along with the rest of our fine folks here, are Dan fanatics, it makes not difference to me if I were able to hear the entire CD (which I was able to do) before purchasing it. Maybe there were some people out there who decided not to buy it because they had the opportunity to hear it first ... aren't there a lot of record stores that allow the customer this same opportunity? Also, the "lossy" MP3s or whatever they are, are not as high fidelity as that which you get when you buy the CD, DVD-A, etc. So, I know that more than a few people had a different experience when they sat down with their CD or DVD-A as compared to what they heard over the internet. Maybe I am in the minority with my views here, but I am fairly certain that I am not the only one here who enjoyed the internet streaming audio of EMG and also really enjoyed the EMG CD after I got it. PRETZEL LOGIC AT THE BAKED POTATO IN HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA User: z
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| Day: 21 Message: Thanks a lot. He said they hated JATA and touring and wanted to form their own band. User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 21 Message: What link? User: angel
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| Day: 21 Message: tones: Thanks for the nod, but most of it is not me. Great reading though. Michael B., been there, done that and yes needed the pub....but didn't get it. ;-( Found in the Dandom Digest yesterday was the comment that EMG has part of the "My Name Is" song by Eminem. The B man mentioned this quite a bit ago to me, but I didn't follow it up. Mostly because it was tough listening to the downloads of EMG, at the time. Checked it out today and well, listen for yourself (click on the link above). Too funny. User: W1P
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| Day: 21 Message: St Al, I see the point that Linkin Park and others are making (not wanting their songs being downloaded a la carte which could destroy the album as a form of art). I see the other side too -- when albums have one or two good songs and the rest is garbage, I don't like the "tying arrangement" of being forced to pay for the crap. I think the solution is for the artists to make an album that is compelling enough to make people want to download every track. Judging from the Yellow, its seems that a few people would pass on downloading Blues Beach ;-) User: t
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| Day: 21 Message: whoa, look there! How'd I miss that? Hey Danoooooo... how's it ticking? Maybe some singers should have a four beer minimum for their audience. I notice even I sound a lot better after hoisting a few. In fact, we could use that as a rating system, the more beers, the worse the singer: DF - no beers Madonna - 3 beers Celine Dion - 5 beers, and a shot of Jaggermiester Anthony Kiedis - 1 keg Britney - 3 kegs, 4 shots of Jaggermiester, and a Black Russian Michael Bolton - the entire inventory of an Irish pub the night before St. Patrick's Day Of course, your mileage may vary... User: tones aka Silas Stingy
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| Day: 21 Message: St. Al - if we ever get one and only one, I'm going to be saying "no" alot myself... ;-) Btw, wanted to say thanks to you and Hoops and Andy (and the lovely angel, and the presumably lovely Randy, and everyone else) for keeping us so well informed with all the interview links and posts. I've gotten many chuckles out of them (though so far the biggest was when Donald offered up "pert" as a discription of the "Ideal Fan" on the TCCs) so "Thanks" User: angel
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| Day: 21 Message: Best line from that KGSR interview that Brett and St. Al talk about. Q Well, the song that opens the album is The Last Mall. And it seems like the beginning of the end. Are we sure the beginning of the end of what? A (B) Well, but it's a very swinging beginning of the end. It's a hard grooving, hard rocking beginning of the end, you know. And I think that matters as much as anything, don't you? If we're going to go, let's go out rocking - that's what I say. A (F) Apocalypse Wow. User: Anecdote of The Music
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| Day: 21 Message: Dano..in total agreement on "the last mall" Salt Just like the salt that's in the stew It's all a part of you Lizz Wright played friday Roy Haynes..Love Letters.."afro blue"(new) Larry Coryell.."inner urge" Rickie Lee Jones..It's like This.."on the street where you live" Dexter Gordon.."you stepped out of a dream" Little Walter.."my babe" Little Milton.."were gonna make it" Larry Fuller Trio.."groove yard"(new) Ornette Coleman..lp New York is now.."broadway blues" Less Mc Cann.."doin that thing" Ramsey Lewis.."the in crowd"..(recorded live at the bohemian cavern washington d.c. may 1965) Kenny Garrett.."song for di fang" Horace Silver..lp Cape Verdean Blues.."pretty eyes" october 1965 Andy Bey.."tuesdays in chinatown" Etta James.."love it or leave it alone" John Campbell..One Beliver.."voodoo edge" Hank Crawford..South Central.."splanky" Jimmy Witherspoon.."it never rains but it pours" B.B. King/Eric Clapton.."come rain or come shine" Hank Mobley..Soul Station.."this I dig of you" february 7, 1960 Royce Campbell/Gene Bertoncini..A Tribute To Charlie Byrd.."shiny stockings(new) Tony Bennett.."the best is yet to come" Lizz Wright..Salt.."salt"(new) Jimmy Scott.."holdin back the years" Jonny Griffin & Steve Grossman Quintet.."don't say goodbye(just leave)(new) Cecil Brooks III..Hangin With Smooth.."midnight sun" Boz Scaggs..Come On Home.."i've got your love" Etta James.."done in the dark" Dave Ellis.."State Of Mind".."barbados"(new) David Fathead Newman.."redtop" Alberta Hunter..Amtrack Blues.."the darktown strutters ball"(produced by john hammond) Eddie Harris..lp Mean Greens.."blues in the basement" Brother Jack Mc Duff.."the honey dripper" If you talk in your sleep, Blind Willie McTell User: StAl
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| Day: 21 Message: Here's one reason why iTunes might be bad idea. I agree with the artist's concerns. http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1919550 User: StAl
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| Day: 21 Message: DACW & Brett: The links I posted earlier in the week were not to the KMTT interview, but to the same interview Brett linked to on the KGSR website. I have since uploaded the entire Interview session to this site and you can listen here: http://www.banyantrees.net/interviews.html Links to the very funny KMTT interview with John Fisher and Mike West can be located here: http://www.kmtt.com/ (click on the "Morning Show" link on the left side) Tones: I've seen cardboard displays in both the record stores I frequent. Asked if I could have one and the answer was, of course, no... LP: No, nothing heard up here about Dean. Just wondering because the moveon.org "primary" is coming up and I just want to be informed. StAl User: Dano
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| Day: 21 Message: Well , After a week or so my Fav is Last Mall , love the simplicity and the catchy tune ,its the one i sing the most to so there ya go.Crackin Album though but. Auf Weidersen Pet , Back on re runs but still the original series is still the best thing that was on UK TV. Sneaks , You oot mixing today bigman , Are you at Glastonbury next week?? Dunc , Not had a bad Ascot , but will keep pushing today for the big payout and possibly NY NY?? Beers , Have you been to see the boys lately. Cyn , Welcome to Blighty , you would have loved Royal Ascot this week. Hope you are enjoying this lovely weather, and Alan is well , when you have time and are settled in blast me and see if we can sneak in a quick snifter. Ole , Lovely picture of the woman cub (what a Dooser), So you had the Tricast?? Maybe the old man can take you racing more often?? Aus , malc , Whats happenin on the East Coast not heard of you guys for a wee while. Tones , Regarding Roxy , They still get good reviews touring over here at the moment , which goes to show they still have it after all these years?? Went to see Paul Young last week with the Missus , she adores him , he was ok a bit bland but a nice singer , left her and the other Quare fellas in the gig while we lashed it up in the bar for a while. Cant beat a few beers when you not that keen on the singer?? How many of us has done that in the past?? On a sad note , If anyone has Cheres e-mail , please give her a quick hello , she is very ill at the moment and any thoughts and good wishes would be welcome i think. Obviously i cant give her e-mail on here , but if anyone has it blast her and say hello. Aff tae Dae the Gerden User: Chase - stalker extraordinaire
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| Day: 21 Message: Yeah... "Tonight she cums". Not bad, not bad... almighty ass. User: duncan
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| Day: 21 Message: Not bad Still blown away by the title track. User: Tonight He (The Waiter) Came (to The Steely Damed)
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| Day: 20 Message: bob tedde come on down! you're the next contestent on the solo is right! congratulations to the steely damned on another fine gig... aja notwithstanding (notice how that air bag didnt launch on godwhacker but lunched on gina? nice italian catholic girl? not) chuck was just fabuloso on sax i mean note for note on d blues and fm ... but then hank had to leave and i was so upset till i found out love bobs to nail the kid c solo to the freakin wall... you better do some more of that pickin bob...would have even possibly preferred you on third world man... really impressive, who knew?! i've seen em a dozen times and this open park event i mean was over a grand or two attending wouldnt ya say? but no acoustics so hard to cheer em on... got there late cuz blonde thin thing was late from her $200k/year job at boeing up here - is it really worth it?... caught this much: bodie thanks bob... and peg too et al do it agin... but next time no pc and no steely darned for the vacuous carlsbad airheadskids, and no more use of the word expletive instead of using them User: Double Felix
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| Day: 20 Message: Could EMG be the record that saves America? I say "record" because the Dan's latest and greatest is a vinyl wannabee--clocking in at a scant 42 minutes--you can almost hear the audiophiles of old asking for a new cartridge or stylus to do the groove justice. "Hey man, I'm tracking at a gram and there's no cross-talk--you got a zero-stat?" Steely Dan has always spurred technology and for once the boys appear to have embraced their role(s). We who slave for the evolving brain and particularly for its moral charge in respect to our work have been waiting for this record. The biggest problem, of course, is that we are listening to a record in unsatisfactory PCM stereo on a digital rig some nose-ringer sold us. Did we have a choice? The CD's sale's figures will probably be a disappointment to Don and Walt but the record in my head sold 500,000 copies on June 10th, 2003. User: critical steviedan
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| Day: 20 Message: i just reviewed emg cd&dvd on half.com... i was kind... User: steviedan
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| Day: 20 Message: in re: "slang of ages" seems to me that the tune is about the ageless ritual nature of the drug deal, the routine edginess. a career man who's seen, snorted, shot it all... in places it has that lotus blossomy, pentatonic asian feel like parts of "countermoon". for me, it's the most effective medium for walter's voice ever, and i really liked 11tow. kinda primes me for another becker solo effort. damn nice work... herm, that sounds better and better by the minute and thanx for reprinting the reviews. the fact that it is a part of the archive series makes me wonder if it will eventually be issued domestically, as they have already released a couple of volumes... emmanuel, EXACTLY ! i have the same face (composited from the "todd" cover) on my shelves. to explain to others, the spines of the euro remasters of the rundgren catalog, when placed sequentially create todd's face on your shelf. this is pretty cool and i might add, a brilliant way to market to even closet completists. iron maiden has recently done the same thing, but that's enough iron maiden to qualify you for mental commitment... moll, i can appreciate that but we ALL managed to be insulted in the process... User: DACW - Exhaustion Avenue
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| Day: 20 Message: StAl: What that link to the KMTT interview again?...I'm to tired to scroll User: Brett
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| Day: 20 Message: Just to keep it fresh for the newbies, there's an excellent interview with the boys at www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/steelydan.php Jody Denberg is an excellent interviewer and you can both read and hear the interview at this link. BB User: toe-nz
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| Day: 20 Message: So here's the story from here: our WEA (Warner/Elektra/Asylum) rep (who really very cool and keeps us relatively informed) says that she just placed an order for promotional material. Apparently the Dan were down the list a bit, since Metallica, the Deftones, StainD all had new albums released right before the Dan (and of course being MTV bands that's where they get their money), so hopefully in the next few weeks we'll see more of a media presence as far as posters and displays go. Keep talking to your local music retail establishment. There's no better advertising than word of mouth. peace t User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 20 Message: And this is the only other thing I can find to date ~ a customer review from Borders.com Lost performances - FOUND!!!, February 14, 2002 Herm User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 20 Message: Believe it or not, the following is ALL that I can find about "Another Side Of The Roxy" on the official Todd website. I'm just going to assume that the musicians are all the same since it was gleaned from the same series of nights. Review for Another side of Roxy RenT Bosman, Amsterdam, The Netherlands User: YGK
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| Day: 20 Message: Bill: your last post really made me chuckle quite a bit. "Barney" is most likely lost in Stockholm. hee hee! ygk User: Southern, CA
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| Day: 20 Message: Angel- Steely Dan and those other four bands records all came out the same day/week. So does #5 mean last place? User: Moll
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| Day: 20 Message: Stevee, Peter has many facets to his character and personality. He allows me to see many things about him that aren't always readily apparent to others. You'll note that He posted his incendiary message after someone posted something nasty in reference to me. Even though I'm with someone else now, he still tries to defend or protect me in any way that he can. User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 20 Message: Hey t, Hey Gina, User: duncan
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| Day: 20 Message: Bad Sneakers NY Fair tickets go on show tomorrow !!!!! User: t
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| Day: 20 Message: stevied - funny you bring that up, among other things... a friend of mine had a copy of the WMMS broadcast of the Roxy show that most of Back to the Bars was taken from. I'm not sure if it's the exact same one So. Herm has, but it's the same show the "Hello It's Me" was taken from, and lets just say Ms. Nicks vocals were mixed waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down from the original performance. Her exuberance wasn't very dextrous. Not a slam on her overall, but that wasn't a good night, and I always wondered if that had anything to do with that odd look Todd's giving her in the photo on the album cover. On another subject, someone I've always thought had a decent band (heavy music wise) is Marilyn Manson. Beneath all that 10 generation Alice Cooper shtick (which would make it 12th generation Screamin Jay Hawkins) they seem pretty tight. Checked out recently the new Calexico, which I really dig. They're not anything like I expected. They could do a really hip soundtrack for an alternative spaghetti western. Also playing the new Roxy Music live disc, came out a week before EMG. It's the world set pulled mostly from the European Tour 2 years ago. It's just as good as I remember the show I saw being. The new Richard Thompson, of course goes without saying, shouldn't be missed, but I said it anyway... Jeez, look at the time... my butt's getting numb... User: Gina in Groovetime
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| Day: 19 Message: hey Stevie! i wanted to write " before Steviedan beats me to it" as in posting right after Ange, darn, i should have, that would have been ... a familiar and typical SIS loop :-) ps. don't know how and with whom yet, but Sun Mountain will be my contribution for the next compilation ... if they don't use the song, then i will! Banyan Tree What's In A Challenge Bow, User: joker seen, stevie back
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| Day: 19 Message: did you know that while you are listening to "jazz samba" by stan getz and charlie byrd, nothing can harm you ? beerberian, lotta organ indeed. tys van leer. yes, dutch. he even lost his organ in an unfortunate schmelting accident... oh be-HAVE schteviedan... hello emmanuel, you sound cool. there must be alot of cool people in the netherlands... uh... GINA ! st al, absolutely right on to audioslave. rage(atm) without all that SHRIEKING. cornell thankfully went through a twelve-step shriek program before his solo album, so the stars lined up for this band... herm, so it's LEGIT ("import"=boot) ! even better ! except for that yen thing. is it a double ? i have tons 'o todd, legit and otherwise and other than some utopia albums, bttb was always one i could live without (but never have, of course to the tune of an original and then a remaster). what you are describing sounds much better. i would much rather hear "hermit" material than a version of "hello it's me" with stevie nicks (with all due respect to ms nicks). i'm checkin' it out... User: t
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| Day: 19 Message: whoa... my monitor went blurry in the middle of your post G... Hey there! Hey there to you too angel... just sweeping up around here... User: steviedan luvs one and all
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| Day: 19 Message: really i do, but moll did you say "viking" or "biking" as in "biker". bust sum heads, WOW ! impressive ! does he also kill animals for sport ? no really moll, to me you seem very nice. but that irrelevant vitriolic shit from "mr viking" was not giving me the warm feeling. i don't think as your friend, he is bringing you closer to the family here... tones, hahaha ! yeah, that "suck a lip ring" thing just came to me. use and abuse it as you will, uncredited... i'm not sure if it's stinkin', but i probably won't get the new linkin'. the coupla tunes i've heard make me feel that they shot the proverbial wad on the first, and maybe halfway through that. the alchemy of metal and hip-hop was almost perfect. not in the chili pepper sense of course, but heavier and less old school. creed, korn, and staind are decidedly, even painfully non-funktional. limp bizkit is... well... they do have a decent drummer... lost prophets are an unsung underrated band in this category. heavy and funky with a singer that sounds almost exactly like joe jackson. not bad. lotta energy and musicianship in some of these bands. gotta have something to listen to between jazz, classical, world, blues, country, and new steely dan albums... gotta see a joker and i'll be right back... User: Gina
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| Day: 19 Message: hey Ange, and fun to be next in line :-) Listening to Jack Johnson's Rodeo Clowns is quite apt to the most recent Banyan Flows, if a capital is at order here. Hey Emmanuel, welkom in deze contreien, kan niet anders dat Slang of Ages vooral de luisteraars in Nederland aanspreekt, of in ieder geval tot de verbeelding spreekt. Hun teksten worden op verschillende manieren geinterpreteerd, wat ieder er in hoort kan zo anders zijn en vaak verbonden met de eigen belevingswereld. Als het maar werkt, nietwaar? Aarzel niet je eigen visies omtrent EMG te verwoorden hierzo, meer gezelschap uit ons kleine landje is zeer te waarderen :-) hi Tonez! off now, G. User: angel
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| Day: 19 Message: Tones: Always pleased to follow you.... Southern California did its part for sales of EMG. User: t
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| Day: 19 Message: Dropped this on the blue, but wanted to share this with everyone... Picking up on the "no promotion" (for EMG) thread, I tried *again* to get promo materials from the distributor yesterday to set up a display, and the sales rep said he hadn't seen any yet. It's bullshit. It's going to take a hit single for the album to get any push (keeping in mind the industry doesn't release singles anymore), and until people know it's out there won't be a hit single. Reminds me of the time we got a promotional flyer and promo stuff for 2vsN... 3 days *after* the Grammys, and a *year* after the album came out. Though we at least had some display material around release time. Not this time, at least so far... The ironic thing is, everytime I play EMG in the store I sell a couple. It seems to grab people more immediately that 2vsN did. Somebody tell Warner/Reprise. ------------------- That's where I left off on the blue, but I want to add here that I'm going to call our local Warner rep tomorrow and see what the deal is. I'll let you all know what she says. Capitol sure didn't let Radiohead down as far as promotional crap. They even had promo *vinyl* singles pressed to give away, and I can't even get one EMG flat from Warners. Looks like the interviews and us fans are the best promotion the guys have got right now. laters t User: web tv boy
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| Day: 19 Message: web tv boy, mommys calling! did you notice that? User: IHPF
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| Day: 19 Message: Did you ever notice that both Molly and Moron begin with MO? User: Bill
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| Day: 19 Message: Clas, Regarding post #2780... Oh and if I have such a "belief in authority" then why am I rebelling Answer me that Barney... User: !
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| Day: 19 Message: Molly, your logic totally escapes me. H. User: Moll
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| Day: 19 Message: Hutch, yeah maybe it is a bit immature for Peter to share his opinions about Steely's music. He only listened to them or came here in order to please me.. My Viking likes to fight. I suppose that posting messages on here that he knows will piss people off is better than going to a bar and cracking heads.( which has happened numerous times in the not so distant past) User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 19 Message: Thanks toenz and Angel, I'll definitely check out those places you mentioned. I am EMGless today, too, because I needed a break man! Had the album for 10 days now, been listening to it every day, still growing on me, but sometimes you need something a bit less cynical, you know. And that\s what that new Fountains Of Wayne album is for. User: Boston Rag
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| Day: 19 Message: DACW - Forget Ben Folds, you won't find a pop CD this year better than the new Fountains of Wayne "Welcome Interstate Managers". 16 brilliant nuggets with funny and twisted lyrics. Mark in Boston User: angel
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| Day: 19 Message: I see the email letters to Steely Dan are open again, after a fashion.... http://www.steelydan.com/steelymail.29.html User: angel
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| Day: 19 Message: I too am EMGless today. Day 2 of that situation. I gave it to my coworker in the next cubicle. So I am going through major withdrawal again today. Will this ever end.... ;-) LP: McCain. I like him too. Don't know about Presidential material, but he does seem better then some. DACW: Make you forget your hand? Isn't that what EMG is supposed to do? ;-) Emmanuel: Hello and welcome. "Slang of Ages" No true idea. It seems like drugs are involved, but more then that I can't tell, since I am without the lyrics and music. You might like to go over to the Blue Book and check back around the first few days, there might be someone's thoughts over there. http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm User: DACW
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| Day: 19 Message: lp: Edwards made millions ambulance chasing in my home state...I've got to go with Lieberman and a major league B-12 shot in the rear...despite the fact he authored the 1993 Bill that contained a clause that allowed companies to avoid putting stock option giveaways as a debit...without which no bubble, no Enron or Global Crossing or Martha Stewart stewing in jail, and of course a different song with a long sax solo in Steely Dan's Latest One... User: Luckless Pedestrian, packing
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| Day: 19 Message: hey in here coming out of lurkdom anyways, howard dean howard dean is a great guy and he happens to be brilliant to boot - he embodies the classic vermonter of modern times who is hyper-educated and intellectual, but that also hunts with a shotgun and drives a pick up - he's the kind of liberal the pollsters really hate - on the one hand he's all birkenstock but then he's smith & wesson all the way he's the liberal answer to a john mccain so i'm with senator edwards for now - middle south region, can appeal to both north and south, mix him up with someone from the left coast and we're in but dean is great, it's too bad, really - he'd be great at foreign policy, his perspectives are smooth -and i like mccain too, btw but the system doesn't like a rebel, oddly enough, given we started out so rebellious - it's that puritan shit, and the machine of special interests and the fuel of well funded lobbyists, blah blah - the true conspiracy is that all the conspiracies have elements of truth in them that's what keeps people like me out of the beltway in career moves, i have enough problems in the trenches back to packing, hubby took emg to work today, so i'm lost - but i do have my new jack johnson cd, yes, gina - it's a good companion st al, what have you heard out there, something different? User: toenz
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| Day: 19 Message: I've been trying to pace myself so I'm not burnt out on the album by the end of the month. Well, I finally made it through a day yesterday without playing EMG. Of course I put it on first thing this morning and it's still playing as I type. And yep... might have to hear this twice today. Lol... See, I'm trying for a sort of tantric listening, trying to make this orgasmic listening experience of the last week last indefinitely, in a Sting-esque tantric sex self-control kinda way. So far I'm not so good at this either... Emmanuel - yo-ness! I think we're all waiting to hear back from Slinky Redfoot about Skank of Ages... My God(whacker)... the bass on "Lunch with Gina"...!!! snakie - thanks for the two buck chuck tip. He's a quality dude and works for well below minimum wage. Wino's everywhere are rejoicing! St. Al. - yep, I'm getting a dvd-a player as soon as they make the model I want in black (really don't want to look at my system every day for the next three years wishing the damn thing was black...). EMG is definitely the "killer ap" for dvd-a. asparagus t User: DACW
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| Day: 19 Message: StAl: hey, that took about 8 min. Dean's a whacko. my favorite whacko is Al Sharpton by a mile... I'm way partial to the Foo Fighter's videos (audio and video), but can't sit through their albums...just too few tricks in the bag... The best artist to debut on the pop scene in the last 10 years is Ben Folds...but even he *pales* in comparison with the Dan...maybe he's starting to reach some parts of CBAT with Rockin' the Suburbs. I'd like to say in another 20 years, that Folds will be making quality albums that will be Dan-worthy, but am skeptical about his attention span...which is his most endearing quality...still beats the hell out of post 1974 Elton though... Check out Walt Weiskopf's releases - they sound pretty good! Clas is right - we all hate each other...most just take out the day's bruises on virtual people of like color (puke yellow here)...I want you to hurt like I do, honest I do...and my right hand is virtually frozen in a painful claw after removing the old crappy Nafco and linoleum and putting down and grouting 300 sq ft of porcelin tile...where the hell is my Eames comfy chair? angel: if you beat me hard enough, I'll forget about my hand ;-) ...hide your wives and daughters, hide your sons as well... User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 19 Message: No, no, no... It was Graham Parker. Herm User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 19 Message: St.Al ~ I think that was Nietzche (sp?) Could have been Joan Rivers. I'm not sure. Later, Herm User: Emmanuel
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| Day: 19 Message: What a page! Dan fans got taste. Hi I'm Emmanuel from the Netherlands and I'd like to find out what Slang Of Ages is all about. Anybody any ideas? It can't just be Hey Nineteen all over again. User: Roy.Scam
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| Day: 19 Message: Beers~ Good review from MSNBC. That's an interesting theory that PixelEEN replaced MaxINE as a female fantasy. [I think it was Woody Allen who had the line about some guy who was chasing younger and younger girls until he ended up dating sperm.] I had sort of given up on MSNBC as a credible source since I heard that they're giving Michael Savage his own television show. The Andrea Doria line reminds me of the song "Flowers on the Wall". (thematically, not musically) The lyrics to "Godwhacker" could have come right out of the Randy Newman songbook. I think every Dan fan should check out the lyrics to the Randy Newman songs Political Science, Roll with the Punches, Shame, I Think He's Hiding, That's Why I Love Mankind, Back on My Feet Again, and I Just Want You to Hurt Like I Do. Word of the week: "deicide" I would have never thought there would be requirement for such a word. I wonder what the police department number is for that one. User: StAl
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| Day: 19 Message: LP: Ok sista -- got some opinions on Howard Dean for President? That's kinda your neck of the woods, no? Lieberman is out in my book. On the fence with Kerry. Gephardt -- too much baggage. Dean looks like that fresh face we might need to dethrone the squatter(s) on federal land... If you don't wish to poli-speak on the guestbook, perhaps you could email me? Angel: Sounds like a repeat. I can never stay up that late anyway without the help of a chemical of some sort. Gettin' old I guess. Phish at the Gorge in 3 weeks. YAHOO! Clas: I like you. Mostly Herm: Vicarious living? I mean, what do you want with a bunch of rumours anyway... Just bought a DVD-A player. Can't WAIT to hear EMG in all it's multi-channel glory. StAl User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 19 Message: Steevee ~ Later, Herm User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 19 Message: Molly, Yotally out of the loop, Herm User: sh
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| Day: 19 Message: remember in the Plush/Jazz video when Walter talks about someone telling him that was the most stupid line ever written in a song? lol...i think i have to watch that again tonight and i also have to admit that Walter's guitar playing on EMG is *perfect* for this album sh User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 19 Message: Molly, my little sugarpie, nobody likes anyone in here. It's all fake. Hey, I don't even like myself. We're all Lalapaloozas, no big deal. --- Going on a short vacation now, hell knows I need to charge my batteries, haven't had vacation since Barcelona, April 2003. Be God-fearing and all that. If you're an Atheist, don't let George W Bush let you down. And don't forget to do your own stuff, compose, play and record, send me the result, my address is on this page: http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops Or click the URL above. User: angel
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| Day: 19 Message: DACW: You talking "Take it out on Me" here? ;-) Snakie: The Sex, definitely! St. Al: I like the Foo Fighters. Not like I have ever bought an album by them, but I like their song at the top of Me, Myself and Irene. Also liked the MI-2 theme song. Listened to the audio from the interview with Don and Walt on "The Mountain". Were they both in different places? It sounded that way. User: sh
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| Day: 19 Message: And it's good to know the Rude Waitress is still in fine form ;-) User: Hutch
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| Day: 19 Message: Molly, for crying out loud will you just calm down. If you need me to spell it out for you, here you go... my comment was in reference to the "viking's" post 2770. It wasn't about you wishing him a happy birthday. His comments were both childish and totally inappropriate. How about if I went over to the limp bizkit board and told them how much the band sucked and what fools they are for listening to it. That would go over real well wouldn't it? Have a nice day. Hutch User: StAl
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| Day: 19 Message: I agree with Stevie -- why Staind? As far as I'm concerned there's only a few bands currently doing that style of music right and it ain't StaindLinkinparkCreedLimpbizkit. Tool <-- Now that band really knows how to do it. I also really like Foo Fighters and AudioSlave. But like all music -- every genre has this murky middle where it becomes really tough to tell bands apart. I'd still choose to listen to Linkin Park ANYDAY over most country music and most modern Hip Hop. So Viking -- not all Steely Dan fans are stuck in the 70's. However, I wonder if maybe you're stuck? MU: Dude, you've got entirely too much time on your hands...:) StAl User: Molly
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| Day: 19 Message: Well Angel, I think I know what Hutch is implying. I don't know what his deal is? I've tried to be nice to him and most other people on here. I sent him a photo of myself to try and prove I'm not some lunatic. Hutch and a number of people don't like me here in Banyan land. That's ok, the feeling is mutual. I've discovered many things about my fellow Banyan members in the past year. I've heard gossip about internet affairs about a few that have slurred me etc..I'm pretty certain their opinion of me doesn't even begin to do justice to what I think of their behaviors and characters. What they think is of little consequence to me. But for the record, Peter aka The Viking has included his real name and address on his post on a number of occasions. Moreover, most of the people I mistakenly told about Banyan Trees have done so. Aja, Clas, LP, Bluz and a number of other people have spoke with Peter in Banyan chat. He went there with me the day Aja asked me to talk with her there to defend me. He is very protective and caring that way. I have a Special needs child that I'm raising on my own, an aging parent in poor health that I must care for. I'm taking care of 2 very large yards (mowing, trimming etc...) I am raising a vegetable and numerous flower gardens. Furthermore I'm working my ass off with my glass and teaching a course at the local community college. I really don't have the time to play any bullshit games. I wish Pete would not try to wind people up on here whenever he is bored or restless. Still, he is my friend and I love him dearly. Today is his Birthday. I wanted to say Happy Birthday to him. I'm not sure why Hutch finds that so offensive ? But in any rate as far as I know St. Al hasn't left him in charge. So I'll continue to say whatever I want to on here. User: sh
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| Day: 19 Message: Some of my fav lines from EMG û the Big Adios... I actually love all the lines in the title track, especially: And the best line on the liner notesà. sh User:
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| Day: 19 Message: Isn't there a Bugs Bunny episode where Elmer Fudd ends up in an oversized, Red Devil suit? Dateline: June 19th 10.45 am EDT The Great Beyond, Any World This is Slinky Redfoot reporting. We've just been informed by Ted Turner who has been handling the Steely Dan promotion team somewhere off the Bahamas that Walter Becker has passed on into another dimension. Hold on, I have Ted on his cell phone line here... TT: How goes Slinky? Yes, we got the sad news while we were out here on open seas. I was listening to the Beatles' White album...you know, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9...when Donald called and said Walter was way gone after his boat in Hawaii was hijacked and hurled into the Reefs of Cheesemart or something off the coast of Maui...nothing but fire and steam. SLINKY: What do you mean hijacked? TT: Well, we've heard that since the 10th that Walter had been receiving threatening letters from one E. Fudd. Despite this horrific tragedy, we do have good news for his estate and the Steely Dan family. Sales have shot up by 480,000 units since this phone call began! We're Number One now, baby SLINKY: That's not much consolation... TT: Hell, I just may be back in a full time job again, and I can get any Janey Runaway and not from a noodle shop any time I now...Besides it's been rumored that Walter has been dead for some time anyway. If you play Waterloo backwards, I swear you can hear "I am the Walrus" Regardless, we all know that Mr. Becker was only 0.85% of Steely Dan anyway. SLINKY: ...wait, I've just been buzzed on the China Crisis line...hello? WB: This is the cute little bunny... TT: floppy ears? WB: No, you idiot. It's me Walter Becker. Hey, I'm here with Mel Blanc...we're dodging Bugs and that giant eraser as we speak. SLINKY: Walter, can you tell me what happened? WB: Well, I was having lunch you see...and she thought she heard Skank of Ages...next thing I know, I'm cruisin' with Jan Hammer in a pink speedboat doing 90... SLINKY: Walter, have you heard about the burst in sales? WB: Yes, I decided to just take one for the team...we've got an ether mitt for the head of MCA when he dives from the 14th floor. We love the fiction in Time mag, so we'll do our best to keep 'em afloat. Besides, Grammies are a shoe-in now... SLINKY: So, how are you going on tour? WB: Well, Roger "The Immortal" Nichols is VIRTUALLY certain of a system...He's put a critical mass of plutonium into the body of a Sadowsky guitar. If I hit the G-string just right... and we know how much fun that can be... right? I've got my new buddy right here - Dave from Acquisitions...you should have held out a little longer...any minor world, dude. Anyway, the string will vibrate at the RMS or root mean squared velocity of 88 mph...and you know what that means... SLINKY: ...another Back to the Future sequel? WB: Almost...Roger can sync-lock us with a fuel cell powered Philips 66 plasma monitor onstage. Should work in all venues except Dallas...too much methane in the air there or something... SLINKY: PHILLIPS 66? Don't you mean Philips, the company that developed digital audio with Sony years ago? WB: Nah, Phillips 66. The freakin' oil companies own everything here in the netherworld as well... SLINKY: So, will you and Donald be making another album together?...and will we be able to tell? WB: Yes, Roger has assured us we can get a Max Headroom thing going within a year... but first, George Harrison and I are making a sitar album first...that's right - all Sitars, ladies and gentlemen... You know you can sample all the electromagnetic wave patterns in the Universe, and no one charges you 120 Grand either!...We've got a complete record of Yoko Ono screetches that we're warp filtering through a Bodhistratavarius Sitar once played or at least in the general vicinity of Ravi Shankar... SLINKY: So what's everyone listening to there in the Cosmos? WB: Mostly Norah Jones, Kraftwerk, and there's a cloud here that features a really hot Frank Zappa tribute band... User: Beerberian
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| Day: 19 Message: GB; Did anybody notice that on The DVDA that image of Don & Walt - their eyes follow you all around the room like all great masterpieces LOL User: DACW
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| Day: 19 Message: angel: Restraints. Yes! ...but not too tight, OK User: angel
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| Day: 19 Message: Beers: (post 2789) Yes that MSN article is excellent. Here is a reviewer who truly GETS Steely Dan. For some reason, the sidebar link isn't working today. It is about Fagen's Voice. I found that to be right on, too. Check it out. http://slate.msn.com/id/2084479/sidebar/2084512/ Hutch: (post 2778) Restraint, I like that. :-) Chips! Gina! I hear that you can listen to a clip of Pixeleen at Walmart. Gotta check that out, next time I drop off the Man at work. My little one doesn't think that Godwacker made it onto the sample list of EMG. User: Chips
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| Day: 19 Message: Tones - Achtung, baby! User: Moll
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| Day: 19 Message: Pat, sorry I've been so long responding to your reply. I've had lots on. Art fairs are big this time of year. I make the majority of my sales in glassware during the Summer months. 2? ouch.....I guess this means I can expect to have a baby by you? ;) Hope all is well. I miss talking with you. Take care Sugarman. *kisses* User: Moll
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| Day: 19 Message: Jaz, somehow I doubt very much if you gave a rat's ass about what other people thought of you in your 20's. ;) (I know I never did) User: Gina
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| Day: 19 Message: said it in Blue and now in Yellow ... Jack Johnson and his CD "On and On" is like methadon after listening to EMG all the time ... they mix very well ... User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 19 Message: Viking (dude), with all due respect, I will not keep my old-timer opinions to myself. That would kind of defeat the point of an internet bulletin board, wouldn't it? And I'll even grant you that Staind may be the best band to come out in the last ten years, but that's not saying much. I'll tell you what, grandson, I'll meet you back here in twenty years and we'll see if anyone is playing Staind music. I think you'll find that their long-term musical impact is on par with that of the construction worker from the Village People. I appreciate your right to disagree and I will not request that you keep your opinions to yourself. I'm not afraid of other people's opinions. I try to keep an open mind. Who knows? I might learn something. User: Beers standing corrected
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| Day: 19 Message: StevieD; Quite right too ... Silvia (Who Is She?) (Winwood/Neto) User: Beerberian
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| Day: 19 Message: BG; Nice Piece on MSNBC ... may have been posted already ? AND you CAN dance to it - it's official User: oh yeah...
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| Day: 19 Message: More ironic use of popular music in commercials: Microsoft completely missing the point of Bowie's "Heroes" pre Y2K Muddy Waters' "Are You Ready" for Viagra (though would've *loved* to hear "Harder Than Your Husband" by Zappa) "Iran" by Flock of Seagulls for Grand Theft Auto II videogame User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: HA! "...suck a lip ring." Can I use that? Lol...! My bad stevied... believe it or not I haven't heard anything off the first Linkin, and I've been told before I might dig it. But I've heard some of the lastest, and like Shania, "that don't impress me much." Yes folks, I believe I *am* the first person to quote Shania Twain here on this message board. I can never again be considered a music snob. snakie - two buck chuck says "hi." User: C @ Work
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| Day: 18 Message: Focus, I remember them, Akkerman & Co's from Netherlands. User: Beerberian
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| Day: 18 Message: Stevie; Lotta organ on Focus stuff too tho' .... as for The staInd vs STeely DAN thing ... that missing "I" could be important ya know - jus' think three of 'em and you do have a backing group for The Late Great BM ... LOL User: steviedan
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| Day: 18 Message: okay, point nearly impotent now... every letter but ONE in staind contained in steely dan... yes, i've blunted my own point. you're welcome User: steviedan
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| Day: 18 Message: okay, an admitted alpha-moron momentarily, FOUR letters... i meant like PREDOMINANT letters.. User: steviedan
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| Day: 18 Message: beerberian, i sorta doubt that winwood's "silvia" is the same tune as "sylvia" by focus which was incidentally, an EXCELLENT tune. it was, if you recall, an instrumental with a wonderful melody, beautifully articulated by guitarist jan akkerman. but hey, i guess anything's possible. hope this one reaches the bar set by "back in the high life"... so herm, is that rundgren an import or an "import". me wanty... viking, yes i AM 45 years old, i HAVE heard staind ad nauseam, and my first question for you is... why did you have to pick such a shitty band to attempt to make a point? they suck a lip ring, dude. there are so many better heavy NEW bands out there so maybe you should consult with a geezer. staind is some sad, tired-out, two-finger drop-d, middle-class WHINY, WALLOWING, WHATEVER ! tones, i have to disagree. there is a HUGE chasm between staind and linkin park, who's first album had SOME bright spots, despite at least some lower-case whining and wallowing. i would suggest some even heavier bands, mudvayne, disturbed, soilwork. the list of new bands better than staind is infinite. anyway, any comparisons you would make between StainD & Steely Dan should end with the containment of those two letters in their name. you have revealed yourself as a musi-moron. you have punk'd yourself... User: C @ Work
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| Day: 18 Message: Stevee - like a fine wine or something? Is it the ink, it has to dry? User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 18 Message: Bill, I don't get this, you are complaining about Hoopsie's banning you from his chatroom, and you're asking StAl to open his chat again. I know, you've been in the army and that gave you this "belief in authority"... ...but try to change your way of thinking, this is Internet, you could open your OWN chatroom. You're an US-American, you've got everything going for you, you could live The Dream, right? Open up your own chatroom and sign the Steely Dan Web Ring and shut the fuck up, alright? --- And apropos "do your own stuff"; musicians and wanna-be-musicians, don't forget to compose, play and record, send your song to the 4th Under the Banyan Trees CD-compilation: http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops Or click the URL above. User: A flash of spectacular thigh
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| Day: 18 Message: Bill: LOL!!!!!! :0) User: Hutch
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| Day: 18 Message: Believe me folks. I'm really tempted. But I'll just keep it to myself. User: Moll
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| Day: 18 Message: TO MY VIKING WARRIOR, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y !!!! I hope all of your wishes come true babe. User: Bill
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| Day: 18 Message: Yo Truth... You're correct, Bill did effectively ban himself from the Greenbook Chat User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 18 Message: Hey Viking, Steely Dan fans are notorious for being some of the people who remain most open to all music, new and old. A good song is a good song no matter who's doing it. Do you have a Frank Sinatra or Miles Davis CD in that rack of yours? User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: Vike - yeah the Dan can be techically considered "corporate rock" because they're on a major label, but that would be like calling Tom Waits "corporate rock". My original point was I hear very little difference between StainD and Korn and Creed and Linkin Park... the list goes on and on... The difference is those bands have a sound that is widely imitated commercially, and the Dan don't. Even if you don't like the Dan you have to admit they don't sound like anybody else you can name. They would also have to be considered as marginally marketable to a mainstream audience, even after all those Grammy's, because they don't write love songs or power ballads. They've always kinda been an "indie" band with corporate distribution, pretty much the best of both worlds. Back in the day there weren't any indie labels with global distribution (that I can recall right now); if they were starting today they would probably be on an indie jazz label. All imho as usual... As for the new Metallica, I've heard good things about it, but I haven't heard it yet. I hope it's better than Load/Reload. Those two were pretty bland... User: why pixel fat, when you can Pixeleen?
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| Day: 18 Message: I think the problem is... I don't believe in anything anymore. I observe the identical symptoms of this detachment in others I see in daily life. Wretched malcontents, clueless icons and every other twig from root to blossom. EMG is about the last big hooray before there is nothing. A welcome departure from all that went wrong, left me anticipating or feeling utterly punctured. I do not have remorse or thrive on innuendo. I rally behind the final hoisting of that big OPEN sign. Liquidate and shrug off what is no longer enough to keep me amused. Or maybe it's the smack? User: WJAZ
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| Day: 18 Message: RE: Post 2770... ...and that's the neat thing about being 40, you don't give a rat's ass who else likes it or what decade they think you are living in... User: Viking
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| Day: 18 Message: But seriously - heard the new metallica album? whaddya think? i aint sure about it myself.... User: Viking
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| Day: 18 Message: Yeah and your beloved new Steely Dan album aint nuthin except the same old shit revisited again and again by a coupla past-it guys successfully squeezin every last dollar outta people like you who stopped flippin the calendar pages over back in the seventies. Corporate rock - SD invented the term and theyve been ridin that tired horse to the very last step. User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: Hey there Aj... how ya doin'? Alway good to see your type around here also... User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: I mean, the last Deep Dish album of original material was '98 (though that was a great album), everything else has been DJ compilations... And StainD... well, all corporate rock sounds alike to me these days... User: Aja...........................whatever
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| Day: 18 Message: 'self-referential' LAMEASS BULLSHIT..... speaks volumes, doesn't it? ROFLMAO! tonesy-always a pleasure to have you around ;o) User: Viking
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| Day: 18 Message: Well I try User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: Viking - Deep Dish, StainD... you are so 5 minutes ago... User: t
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| Day: 18 Message: Rude Waitress - glad to see you back in the loop and in rare form. Good luck with the moat... lol... (I've always wanted one of those also...) Um, when you get a chance I think I'll try the fish and chips... the potatoes, not the Ramones fan... Chips - btw, any opinion on the "BlitzKRIEG Bop" commercial? User: The Viking
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| Day: 18 Message: Steven in CT - clearly you aint ever even listened to a record by Staind dude. Keep your narrowminded old timer opinions to yerself grandpa. User: SteelyFan
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| Day: 18 Message: From Billboard... The latest from Steely Dan, "Everything Must Go" (Reprise) enters The Billboard 200 at No. 9 with sales of 91,000 copies. The tally falls short of the 141,000 copies the duo's 2000 comeback album "Two Against Nature" generated in its first week. User: tones
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| Day: 18 Message: Randy - thanks for the info. It was bound to happen - MCA was one of the labels soaked up by Universal about 4 years ago, along with Geffen, A & M, etc. Now for a little comic relief: coming July - Kiss Alive IV, featuring the faux four backed by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. Still no word on when Spinal Tap will release *their* symphonic album... User: Randy
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| Day: 18 Message: Through the seventies, MCA had known ties to the mafia and was considered one of the most corrupt labels in the music industry; many of the sordid issues were detailed in the book "Stiffed: A True Story of MCA, the Music Business, and the Mafia" (1993) by William Knoedelseder. MCA is also holder of The Who's back catalog. Randy User: Audi TT
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| Day: 18 Message: Rolling Stone desperately has to try to maintain relevance to the teen angst/spelling impaired crowd that might actually plunk down the four bucks to buy it because so-and-so is on the cover. Just for grins, I read the review of the new Annie Lennox which I've listened to a couple of times and it reads almost like the Dan review, as do the "reader comments". Including the inevitable "Anything newer than {Can't Buy a Thrill}/{The Eurythmics} sux". User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 18 Message: Oh, one more thing on the Rolling Stone review of EMG. The sax playing on this record is superb. The shot RS gives Weiskopf is cheap and undeserved. Screw you, Rolling Stone. If you hurry you can catch the next (insert name of poseur-group-of-the-moment) CD. I'm sure we'll all be listening to that music thirty years from now! User: Cyn
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| Day: 18 Message: ..Ah, clas..guess what? ITS NOT raining!(hence, my brook has little water)I'm just pissy cuz I wanna be. User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 18 Message: Like most people, I stopped reading the Rolling Stone around the time I put down the bong. But I picked up the latest issue at my health club and flipped to the CD reviews to see what they thought about EMG. In short they thought is was all style and no substance "just like Aja" (their opinion, not mine). As an old fart, and sporadic observer of the popular music scene, I never stop shaking my head at the flavors-of-the-nanosecond and the inability of most of the top groups to put out more than one album before dropping off the scope. And I imagine the Rolling Stone extolling the virtues of the albums of Korn, Staind, Limp Bizkit and other spelling-deficient bands while giving true survivors like Steely Dan the back of their hand with a 30-word review. But you know, it's like that old Groucho Marx line about not wanting to be a member of any club that would accept you. So it's probably better this way. (It would give a bit more hope for the future, though, to see some thinking young people embrace musicality over ham-fisted speed-metal angst and indecipherably grunted lyrics.) Enough from me. User: Jimbo
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| Day: 18 Message: EVERYBODY, THE TOP TEN SELLING ALBUMS OF THE WEEK- http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid18232 Annie Lennox is 4. Metallica is 2 George Strait is 5. George, please retire. Norah Jones is at 10. User: Jimbo
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| Day: 18 Message: Just got word from AP Luther Vandross' Cd is #1 with sales of 440,000 copies. Apparently, Steely Dan won't be #1, but no word yet on their position or first week sales. But, I'm glad Luther is getting some huge sales. I just wish it User: Stevee(Paul Masson)Dan
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| Day: 18 Message: Clas - think of it like a fine wine or something. User: f.y.i.
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| Day: 18 Message: The new Winwood features the guitaring of Fairfax, Ca.'s own Jose Neto, who not only plays incredibly but is an incredibly nice guy, *and* he runs an awesome local bakery... User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 18 Message: Beerbeerian ~ Ahh... Herm User: C & W
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| Day: 18 Message: SteveeDan - are you saying you're sending them when they are getting a little older? How much older? User: C @ W
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| Day: 18 Message: Too "new"? User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 18 Message: I can't send them to you yet. Still too new. Glad you're interested though. It's now a little bit after 10 AM in Los Angeles, I just bought my ticket for the Universal Amphitheatre October 2nd show ... I scored 3rd row in the Orchestra Pit. This is fun ... User: C
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| Day: 18 Message: Those charts, yes, I'm waiting. User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 18 Message: Well ... I guess it takes one to know one ... What is it about those of us who like to take our love of Steely Dan to our own personal higher level, and put it on the line and do our best to perform, rehearse, and book gig dates that attracts such venomous attacks from people here on the guestbook? What purpose does it serve? More importantly, why would any of these anonymous detractors think for one second that these "not-so-supportive" comments would result in our deciding to stop playing Steely Dan music live? I would like to courteously caution those here who like to continue to pursue this tack with our bands. In the case of The Steely Damned, they usually have 15 or so musicians up on stage. In the case of my band Pretzel Logic, we are up to 12 musicians currently. So, between our 2 bands that's one heluva dog pile upon the detractor(s). Pick your poison. And speaking of attempting to do songs from Everything Must Go ... S H A M E L E S S .. P L U G G I N G !!! THIS SUNDAY NIGHT, AT THE WORLD FAMOUS BAKED POTATO IN HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA, YOU CAN CATCH OUR BAND PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE. THAT DATE IS SUNDAY JUNE 22ND, 8:30 PM 'TILL 'ROUND MIDNIGHT. ADMISSION IS ... LESS MONEY THAN THE NEW CD. User: C @ Work
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| Day: 18 Message: Cyn - let me guess, it's raining, right? User: Launch with Gina
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| Day: 18 Message: That was funny, BobLovesBob is biting the hand that's feeding him. StAl - damn man, you are quick to defend those Fogel and Steely Damn fellows, but your never around when YGK's co-worker's in action. /Clas User: The World
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| Day: 18 Message: St.Al= lying jealous cry baby. User: StAl
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| Day: 18 Message: Herm: Yes, I'd love to hear your breakdown on the Joshua Tree. One of the few good albums to emerge from the 80's (relatively speaking). In fact, unlike our uptight friend, I'd venture to say everything U2 did in the 80's was great (save maybe Rattle and Hum). Diller: Was that really necessary? Read my post to WebTv Boy below. You lose too! Guess the world is full of people like you StAl User: StAl
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| Day: 18 Message: Nice try WebTv Boy -- The Steely Damned has redone Two Against Nature. I rest my case. StAl User: IHPF
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| Day: 18 Message: Mr.Diller- Of course Bob Tedde has his"reservations" about EMG. I mean think about,the songs on this record are way to difficult to try and rip off. Could you imagine The Steely Damned trying to recreate Godwhacker or Pixeleen? No way! Do you think LoveBob's band ever tried to cover Negative Girl? Of course not! It's to damn tough. EMG has nine Negative Girls on it. Bob is devastated! (There is not even a Larry Carlton type of guitar solo that Hank Easton could ripp-off) EMG is the anti- cover band Steely Dan record. Hey Ms Ducky! Time to come up with a new plan. User: Luckless Pedestrian at home
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| Day: 18 Message: ang/b - email me that, you know... lol lurking while moving... User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 18 Message: I have to give a huge thumbs-up on the DVD-A version of EMG! It is an entirely different sound/mix. The guitars, especially the Herrington and McCracken guitars, really 'come up' in this version and the horns are a bit less highlighted. The background vocals and some of Donald's leads sound much better. The effect is as if the listener is seated at the center of a semi-circle of the band. The listener is enveloped in the cleanest, tightest sound. I could not stop smiling. As to the album after a week of listening to the 'as sold' versions, it is a classic Steely Dan album. Their journey and development continues in an interesting, lush, enjoyable way. No other band does what they do. And they are at the peak of their talents and abilities. Long live Steely Dan!!! I can't wait for the next new one!!! User: Oh..looky
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| Day: 18 Message: ..I just "out assed" you by two... User: RudeWaitress
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| Day: 18 Message: ..uh huh 3 fucks/fuckings..4 if you include motherfucker 1 ass+1 lame =1 lameass If you ask me...and I know you will, I think that last post "2736" is pure Bullshit. Who died and made you an authority, Asswipe...? Or better yet...What bug crawled up your ass? User: Menace Diller
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| Day: 18 Message: Yeah, that's right. Let's have a blow by blow report on the FUCKING JOSHUA TREE instead. It's anything but, right? Let's go back a good decade and remind ourselves just how fucking lame and mindblowingly pretentious "Boneho"'s crew was. Talk about limited vocabulary. If only the Edge could take out that ECHO BOX JAMMED UP HIS ASS sometimes and learn a few new licks, we may have something to talk about once THEY hit 55. Now now... looky here... you don't say... lovebob has reservations about the new Steely Dan, eh? Funny. Talk about bitin' the hand that feeds. I mean this motherfucker's got Walter's torso coming up his digestive track as we speak, and he's "not sure he gets it". Well, I always had MY reservations about the FUCKING HACK. But was told, time and again, not to air them publicly. A song about Molly, you say? Must be that EMPTY VOID OF SPACE between Godwhacker and Slang. I always had a hunch that part had to mean something. Perhaps it refers to the pregnant pause one experiences when confronted with such pure, unadulturated, self-referential LAMEASS BULLSHIT. User: Beerberian
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| Day: 18 Message: Cyn; Could I just add my welcome to this Sceptred Isle too ... Hope to meet your goodself @ a TDC gig one day soon ... User: Jim#
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| Day: 18 Message: Cynny: Glad to hear you made it over safely# We'll visit once you find the right restuarant and get your old job back# And I'll bring lots of $$ for you to convert, too# Still in the awestruck stage of EMG, here. Just a superb effort. User: Cyn
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| Day: 18 Message: Well...I'm here, settled in (kinda). Youngest son and myself battled illness the 1st coupla weeks..but we have recovered...and I'm pissy as ever...HA! Going into a LARGER town on Sat. For picnic and a cricket game (me? Cricket?)...I plan on looking for EMG then, (Wedmore has 2 butchers, Baker but no candlestick makers). Cottage is lovely, water in the brook a little low...kinda blows my whole moat thing. Danoooo...will give ya a ring here soon...I promise! Jimmyú&* (I can't find the pound sign in this keyboard..hahahaha)...expect you and Mrsú&* to come visit real soon. snakie...what I said to Jimmyú&*...hahahah. anyone seen my cousin Midnight?? User: Beerberian
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| Day: 17 Message: Herm; The "new" Winwood is Due for release on 23/06/2003 in UK http://www.playserver5.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=CD&title=120579 Steve Winwood - About Time He played a Track 4 on Later with Jools last Friday - Brilliant vibe The whole album features arrangements for Keys & Percussion Don't recognise most of the tracks tho' - I assume Silvia is the Focus classic - looking forward to that one Enimen; That riff on LWG is deff OHIO Players influenced funk from the 70's User: steviedan
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| Day: 17 Message: correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't a computer company or someone use "won't get fooled again". i think that is the most ironic use of a rawk anthem i've ever heard. i say, as long as artists get paid and they can live with it, have at. no one ever argues over the use of classical pieces or jazz classics and that music has, if anything, greater intrinsic aesthetic value, pound for pound... lars, great call on the vinicius catuaria. i've got a couple of his things in the brazilian section of my collection. are you referring to "sol na cara" or something newer ? still tryin' to get to that blow by blow of emg. i do know that i will not be taking wea up on any 100% satisfaction guarantee, as i am way more satisfied than that... User: C @ W
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| Day: 17 Message: StAl - make that 10 bucks, the dollar's got down 30% the last year. A deal? User: C @ W
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| Day: 17 Message: StAl - are you sure? I can send you money... I pay you... say, 7 bucks? User: Hutch
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| Day: 17 Message: Herm - Whoops! You can see how well I've blocked that period of my life out! User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 17 Message: And then there was Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" album. It's true. I read it in Schoolastic. They never lie. Herm User: Gummer
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| Day: 17 Message: How's Mommy Gummer? User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 17 Message: hutch: BTW, "Joshua Tree" wasall about the idea of a 9/11 type event. Anyone wanna hear my song-by-song breakdown? Later, Herm User: H
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| Day: 17 Message: Meant to say "was out". User: Hutch
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| Day: 17 Message: Looeez - I was going through a breakup with my live-in girlfriend when that Police album with "Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" was on. User: Moll
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| Day: 17 Message: Hmn......and here I thought EMG was about how materialistic our society continues to become. Nothing is permanent and most everything is for sale. User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 17 Message: Cool! Herm User: angel
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| Day: 17 Message: Steely Dan to tour Australia? A small possibility. http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,6615571%255E10431,00.html http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2003/20030617_jewel.html User: The Truth
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| Day: 17 Message: First sentence in last post should have read: "Bill effectively banned himself from Green chat." User: The Truth
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| Day: 17 Message: Bill banned himself from Green chat. He kept getting on the blue, verbally abusing Hoops that he had been banned when he hadn't. Hoops even posted an apology to Bill for any misunderstandings and technical problems. After Hoops apologized, Bill's posts got so absurdly abusive that Hoops decided that Bill must want his dream to be banned to come true. User: angel
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| Day: 17 Message: looeez: "Things I Miss The Most" reminds you of something from Kamakiriad. How about "On the Dunes" for its attitude of depression and desolation. User: W1P
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| Day: 17 Message: Just arrived in my e-mail inbox Subj: 2nd show added...STEELY DAN is coming to Universal Amphitheatre! User: Jimbo
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| Day: 17 Message: Two nights ago, I was listening to a NPR program called "The Show." It is hosted by Harry Shearer. It's on in my area at Monday morning at 12am. There is usually a musical break during the show. That night, it was playing "Green Book." Apparently, Shearer,Mr. Spinal Tap, has a jones for the Dan too. The Billboard charts should be out by tommorrow. User: enimen
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| Day: 17 Message: lp...e me. Bank error in my favor (or something). New Hampster may be on the menu after all... User: looeez
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| Day: 17 Message: Detroit News and Freep Sunday critiqued EMG. 2 1/2 stars!! They said it was disappointing compared to 2VN. Whwaaa??? I like the diversity myself. Who wants the same formulas regurgitated? I feel so cheated when I buy a CD from an artist who begins that process. It's a turnoff. I always admire good musicians who aren't afraid to move into another sound. Things I Miss the Most reminded me SO MUCH of something about Kamakiriad--don't know why. I'll figure it out eventually. To be honest, the "ching ching" piano in the Blues Beach intro scared me a bit at first! Looks like I'll be catching the 2nd leg as we are bound for Naples, FL by August. (We would have to pick AUGUST to move--blech--hot!) Well, kiddies have to start school then. Readying the home for sale and just as I'm beginning the process, boom, EMG is released and I head for the store. I'm listening and organizing "junk" for sale, etc., totally prophetic...couldn't believe it. Totally appropriate! Every CD hits me that way though, I find a nugget of significance to my state-of-mind at that particular time and think, Wow...(*sigh*) If there are any Florida danfests, I want to try to make them. Great work by the folks who have kept us totally up-to-date on all things Dan! Thanks...your efforts are appreciated. loo User: angel
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| Day: 17 Message: Anyone hear the line "to book it" at 5:18 into the title cut gets repeated by the backround singers. First time I noticed that. User: Aja........................all that glitters
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| Day: 17 Message: OKAY! I can FINALLY join the discussion! EMG came on Saturday, and I promptly dropped everything and listened to it from start to finish. First reaction-disappointment. Felt kinda like lovebob-not sure I was getting it. But being a veteran Steely Danner, I knew better than to let first impressions stick. I took EMG with me everywhere that weekend, and let it unfold at its own speed. Now my reaction is DAMN! IS THIS FUN OR WHAT? Anyway, like a typical Steely Dan album, the best tracks are stuck in back. Green Book, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, and EMG are stellar, and TLM sounds even better if you listen to it after EMG. I skip tracks 2-5-sorry, I just don't like Walter Becker's style. He'd be better singing blues, not music in the direction Steely Dan is now going. Contrast him with Donald's versatility on Pixeleen-Walter sounds slow and ponderous by comparison. Slang of Ages would be great w/Donald on vocals. And finally, it sure sounds great to hear a GUITAR featured again!!!!!! I'm betting Pixeleen will be featured on the tour this year. And if they do Lunch w/Gina, they'd better let me dance in the aisles! Aussie-any reason you're not answering my e-mails? I'm going to have to return this beautifully nasty BBB if no word soon......... No Gunner, not going to any LA shows. Hutch-those are my favorite lines as well. I laughed out loud when I heard "just a flash of spectacular thigh". User: duncan
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| Day: 17 Message: Anybody seen any sales figures for emg. I'de be interested also in chart positions. User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 17 Message: Hey All, Funny thing ~ I just got off the phone with my local Border's to check out the price on the new Steve Winwood cd, and take a wild guess what they were playing for their "hold" music? The Last Mall. Geez, that was quick. Oh, and another thing. The woman there told me that EMG is indeed NOT about 9/11, but rather, a treatise on the tragic events surrounding Winona Ryder in the past few years. So I guess we were all wrong. Later, Herm User: StAl
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| Day: 17 Message: Chat will probably return. Just looking at the options, that's all. Clas: Nope. StAl User: W1P
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| Day: 17 Message: GM's use of Zep to change its image is very clever. It's target audience IS NOW parents and grandparents. Using Zep makes the target audience feel like the cars are now "youthful" And so another generation buys the cars without feeling like they are associated with "grandpas" And yet that is exactly what they were and are. Bloody brilliant. Even I wanted to buy one. User: duncan
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| Day: 17 Message: WOW !!! User: C @ W
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| Day: 17 Message: FOR THE RECORD; I don't know how a porno soundtrack is sounding. Fingers crossed, scout's honor! I have a neighbour who's having a friend who went to one of these small "rooms" once. --- StAl - could you strike my previous post? He he he... old pal... it's 8 years now isn't it? Sheesh, time's flying, bloody tremendous, isn't it? User: C @ Work
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| Day: 17 Message: suedave - your link is leading to a cheap drum machine and a girl who's singing "yeah, yeah, yeah" in the most provocative way. Sounds like a porno soundtrack. User: N Y P D
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| Day: 17 Message: Yeah, I can hear it, it's the Cop, deffini. User: C @ W
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| Day: 17 Message: The Golf Coast is the state now known as Ghana. East of Cote d'Ivoire, the Ivory Coast. South of Gambia and Senegal, where you picked your slaves back then. You DO have geography in school, I mean, about countries and such, outside your world, the USA? User: suedave
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| Day: 17 Message: Hi all, I listened to the interview with Walter & Donald on KMTT this morning on my way to work - the radio station even played Pixeleen in the middle of the interview. Great for people to hear that one! Yes I do feel fortunate to live in a beautiful place surrounded by snow-capped mountains and water, and where Steely Dan is played on the radio but I don't want to just brag about that.....visit Seattle the night before the show at the Gorge and see for yourself - listen to Steely Dan music all night long... KMTT has posted the interview on their website - kmtt.com - or click on the link above - you can find it off the People & Programs/Fisher & West page - it's a hoot! ....and now back to the grind... Susan User: Lars
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| Day: 17 Message: Do I hear a take-out from a 80's Police-record in 'Pixeline'? And where's George Duke in the credits to 'Lunch with Gina'? It must be him! There's (at least) 2 records with a remote SD connection that lifted up the last days for me, both by Vinicius Cantuaria. New take on the samba - 'Vinicius' and 'TucumG' - both with (among others) Bill Frisell, Michael Leonhart,Laurie Anderson as guests. A must! L User: bwaySteve
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| Day: 17 Message: I hear a lot of '80s Chick Corea Electrik band in this one, Frank Gambale guitar riffs included. User: father william
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| Day: 17 Message: moll - that's a copy of Gibson's current blog comment, not mine. User: Moll
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| Day: 17 Message: Father William, geez I thought Pixeleen was about a Laura Croft type character....lmao Godwhacker is my favorite tune as well. User: father william
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| Day: 17 Message: Occasionally, there are questions about SD and Gibson. See: http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/blog.asp June 16, 2003 MAKE YOURSELF A GIBSON IF YOU WANT TO... Mine's a Red Bull on the rocks. PIXELEEN That thread about my chapter titles, a while back? It should be evident to all that it was Steely Dan taught me the art of titling, as witness this fine batch from their new one: 1. The Last Mall 2. Things I Miss The Most 3. Blues Beach 4. Godwhacker 5. Slang of Ages 6. Green Book 7. Pixeleen 8. Lunch With Gina 9. Everything Must Go Of which, on as yet a single listening, I'm most taken with "Godwhacker", a little deicide ditty with lots of that carbonated guitar they do so well. "Pixeleen" seems to be a Walter Mitty routine about a girl with possibly Molly-like anime-heroine fantasies, ever brought down by the quotidian. User: enimen
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| Day: 17 Message: Let's step back from the rigid statements that songs are "about" one thing or another. These guys write songs "about" lots of things, but not slavishly about anything. That is one reason why we all are here. Coupla musical comments. "Pixeleen" is the star so far for me. "Lunch with Gina" is coming on fast. User: Gold Coast(s)
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| Day: 17 Message: There are several Gold Coasts actually--one in Australia, California, Florida and even Connecticut. But right, Clas, it's Gulf Coast. User: Floridavid
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| Day: 17 Message: How could it NOT be Gulf Coast If we're chillin' at the Manatee bar? User: JustKaty
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| Day: 17 Message: Rhyming Simon - Actually, it's not like 'again' and 'brain' rhyme exactly, either! They have those 3 letters in common, but that's about it, so perhaps D & W weren't trying to rhyme the first and third lines in any of those verses? Your point that they are seemingly inconsistent on a whim is well taken. Still, what may seem 'on a whim' to us, to them is no doubt careful crafting....sort of like, they make sense once again because they don't always make sense? It occurs to me that for some really great entertainment, if I were Don or Walt, I would come here every day to read the Guestbook. Our logic must be as mindboggling to them as theirs is to us! How comical! The biggest unresolved questions is history may well be: 1. Is Jesus really God's son? My own two cents: If they did write the lyrics before 9/11, then perhaps EMG is nevertheless influenced by the realization that 'the way we're doing things in the world these days (politically, economically, spiritually) really isn't working' and 'everything must go' if we are to create something lasting and truly meaningful in the world. Hence, The Last Mall, -- shopping as we know it will continue to change drastically. By the end of the song, the last note is missing because the end of the mall came even before we thought it would, abruptly, while we weren't paying attention. We didn't get to plan its demise in time to have the best workable alternative in place -- we waited too long. Maybe that's what it's all about -- the need to pay attention, to learn from the past, to see the calamities that come because we go on blindly, hoping for the best, unaware on some level that the good times we carve out in life aren't going to take care of the big picture, where even those who set themselves up as spiritual leaders are not able to lead us, and need to be 'Godwhacked themselves' by their own kind. Just Katy User: Dave from acquisitions
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| Day: 17 Message: Someone please articulate how splendid the (third?) "goin out business" harmony on the title track is. User: EMG: week one
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| Day: 17 Message: Offered as observation, not interpretation, since I could only manage speculation... "The Last Mall"... funny thing is, if they had waited until after the song they could have gotten all that stuff free when the looting began... So far the most jarring thing to me musically about "Things I Miss the Most" is how the melody in the chorus doesn't seem to resolve, like there is something missing. It feels like it should naturally end down a step on the word "most", but instead it leaves an awkward, uncomfortable sensation before heading back into the verse, like that awkward, uncomfortable feeling at the end of a relationship (especially if you don't want it to end). Strange melodically, but of course it fits the lyric perfectly. Also feels like there could've been a chorus reprise if they had chosen to, but song, like the relationship (or civilisation as we know it), also seems to end too soon, leaving you wanting more. I love the song, but I can't tell if this was clever intention on their part or just my hallucinatory initial impressions after a week or so. I know months years from now I probably will have forgotten these early impressions and it will feel perfectly natural. "Blues Beach" Best R & B single in years! DF takes it to "The Church of What's Happening Now" on vamp at the end, cooler than Mr. Freeze! And featuring the coolest background vocal line ever: "Chillin' at the Manatee Bar". (or at least the coolest since "So outragous...") I'd love to hear brother Ray cover "BB" and "EMG". Emma Peel and Maxwell Smart have been called to save God. Who knew Walter could *croon*?! That smooth "wascal"... "Green Book" sounds vaguely Egyptian. Or Phrygian. Is that what a mu chord is? Are they building a better pyramid? Or a life-size replica of the Andrea Dorian? You shouldn't mix your lydians, ya know... "Pixeleen" evaporates into pixiedust on the way to Tomorrow Land "Lunch..." is a delicious groove "Everything Must Go" is so sad you have to laugh... and it hurts to laugh. Another thing that makes this entire album such a gas for me is that DF & WB play on the entire album. Surrounding themselves with stellar musicians all these years kind of obscured the fact that these guys can play their asses off when they want too. I'm glad they wanted to for this one. User: Here comes rhymin' Simon...
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| Day: 16 Message: I'm reading the lyrics to "Lunch with Gina". It's only in the 1:st verse they keep the rhyming like this: "That must be her again again/brain û bell/well Then it's like they got kind of tired of finding the words: "SheÆs coming round the corner corner/flash booth/Tanqueray /C User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 16 Message: Me and my wife watched the movie "Simone" last night, starring Al Pacino, it's about an actress made up in a computer. Did I think of the song "Pixeleen" during the film or what? User: C @ Work
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| Day: 16 Message: Howard - be happy. I'd like to have one (ponytail) too, but it is impossible, my hair aint what it used to be. And tell me, how's it going with tuning the piano? --- Fagen's singing the Gulf Coast, not the Gold Coast, right? The Gold Coast, that's Ghana. Terzo Mondo. User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 16 Message: ST. Al - (re: post #2649) - My grandfather had a new Cadillac every 2 to 3 years. He passed away over 25 years ago. (This information was provided only to put my comment into perspective ...) I think I would shit myself if I saw my grandfather pull up to our house in one of his new Cadillacs, get out, and striking a Robert Plant pose, sing (or is that yell): "Been a long time since I rocked and rolled, unhuh !!!" Of course, if Grandpa Max pulled that one off, he'd REALLY be my hero !!! The whole thing is totally absurd. Led Zeppelin songs selling my Grandpa's car ... Way to go G(enerally) M(ental). S(tevee)D(an) User: Gunner
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| Day: 16 Message: Hey! Did anyone notice over on the Blue that Webdrone is saying they added the second show in LA in October? That's great! Aja are you going? Bill- If St.Al does re-open the chat room, do you think you can take Bluz with you? Thanks! User: DACW
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| Day: 16 Message: Roy: Gina is the.............................................................................................. last woman on Earth...the waiter doesn't come because he doesn't exist, along with 6 billion other souls...your...uhhhh...dead.... wrong on the 9/11 thing...you zombie, be born again my friend... User: SD Explained
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| Day: 16 Message: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke User: Roy.Scam
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| Day: 16 Message: Question: What if Godwhacker gets there and there actually ARE three of them (and one is already a ghost)? Is that going to cost extra? I say if he goes over budget, to Hell with him. Other Question: Is Marilyn 4.0 going to be PC compatible? Or did St. Al fiendishly arrange for it to be only usable on Macs? Will it include Monroe and Chambers, or will that involve an extra port? More importantly, will I be able to operate it on my lap top? (nudge, nudge, say no more.) User: Irate reader
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| Day: 16 Message: Dear Sirs: Sincerely, User: Bill
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| Day: 16 Message: Pat, Closing your chatroom was a real site-killing move bro. How about reconsidering your last managerial decision and re-opening User: Jimbo
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| Day: 16 Message: Things I Miss The Most is perhaps the closest to what relates to 9/11, but the rest of the album has little or none to do with it. The Green Book, about the afterlife? With mentions of Jill St John, User: Roy.Scam
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| Day: 16 Message: Sociable Hermit~ Nice to see you back here. I don't agree with the theory of EMG having a 9-11 theme, but your post would make a great answer to an essay question in Lit Crit class. And your deconstruction of "Lunch with Gina" would make a killer Twilight Zone episode. I can see Rod Serling walking through a crowded restaurant just before the credits come on. User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 16 Message: Should read, "songs already written". Herm User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 16 Message: Hey Toby, chill man... A THOUSAND TIMES, CHILL MAN...! Besides, when have you ever known Walter or Donald to tell the truth as to what their lyrics represent? They do everything they can to throw people off the track because they don't want the songs being pigeon-holed into only one interpretation. So don't say that's what they're NOT about, because you don't know. It's all speculation. Later, Herm User: Toby
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| Day: 16 Message: Someone said: > this is why I feel that this album is thematically about September 11th. NO, NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NOOOOOOOOOO! IT ISN'T !!!!!! Walter specifically and VERY CLEARLY says in the "One Hour Sale" interview that 9/11 happened AFTER they had written the material, and that the new one is NOT about 9/11. Of course, if "Listener X" wants to think "Thought Y" about "Song/Album Z", then who cares?? And isn't it fun? That's the BEAUTY of Dan songs! I am British person, so this is my 2p. Toby User: Razor Boy - Canada
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| Day: 16 Message: I agree with St. Al - it's a jungle out there - What's the difference between a 45 second commercial or the intro to the next big urban music legend? The music is out there. Today, the song I kept playing was "Lunch with Gina." Yesterday it was "Green Book." The tough part is having the music play in my head when I'm out running, and not knowing all the words yet. The organ in "Green Book" is almost haunting, but the bass hook (or whatever one calls it) is pretty wicked also. A gem is discovered at every listen. Razor User: angel
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| Day: 16 Message: Just a quick check came up with this from the Blue Book. I knew I had heard it before. Dan Fiend on 5/20/03 at 11:10:31 User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 16 Message: angel (and the rest), User: Audi TT
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| Day: 16 Message: Herm, the songs operate on so many different levels and I do think 9/11 figures into some (all) of them in some either direct or oblique way. TIMTM could be the lament of somebody that lost both their "adorable ghost" and their fortune in the attacks. There is really no reason explictly stated in the song. Perhaps the Dan are imagining a "King of the World" style economic apocalypse. It really wouldn't take much more than the WTC attack to cause it. User: angel
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| Day: 16 Message: Herm: Good work. I don't think it is perfect, but it feels close in a lot of ways. Others have mentioned "A Love Supreme" before, but that is the first time I have heard what it means. User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 16 Message: I will elaborate further any any of these speculations later on. But the one thing I wanted to add was a comment on the way the first song ends. It's so abrupt. You feel like there should be more, in fact you're actually expecting it, but it just stops. This could be when the Tower finally fell ~ you hope there will be more, that life, (and the song), will continue, but suddenly, it just ends. No beautiful fade out. No chant of, "One More Time!" It's over. The rest of the songs are then scenarios that follow in the aftermath. That's all. Herm User: Sociable Hermit
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| Day: 16 Message: Hey All, I'm just now listening to EMG for probably the twevelth time, (maybe the fifteenth, who keeps count?), since last Tuesday, and I have a few observations. But first, before I do a song-by-song breakdown, let me say that overall I wish the album wasn't so rhythm oriented. The thing that jumped out at me when I first listened to it was the backbeat. I wish the drum and bass were put a little further back in the mix. That, and the fact that the rest of the instruments, (and that includes the vocals), stick very close to the beat. I miss the days of those floating guitar solos by Carlton that broke away from the beat and drifted through your ears and into your soul. So, I guess that's it ~ the solos don't seem to be as inspired as previous, and the beat is maybe a little too pronounced. What are they? Steely Dan, or Steely Dance? Thank you. You've been great. I have to take a little break, but I'll be back at nine and eleven. Okay, on with the songs... As I said, I listened to this a dozen or so times in the past week, but it was just the last time that something seemed to click, and forgive me, but I'm just piecing together my thoughts on this as I type, so if I seem to ramble, excuse me. The Things I Miss The Most Blues Beach Godwhacker Slang Of Ages Green Book Pixileen Lunch With Gina Everything Must Go Anyway...I know it might be a stretch on a few levels, but the thought hit me, so I figured I'd play it out and see what I could make of it. If any of this is close to being right, we have yet another record of light bouncy music accompanied by dark morose lyrical content. So, go ahead, throw your rocks. Boo me. Call me an ass. It won't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last. User: lp
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| Day: 16 Message: LMAOAMD - thanks katy when i see your name, i think of john belushi singing "she caught the katy..." lol okay, back to saving the world, thanks again... User: JustKatyStillMeditating
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| Day: 16 Message: Ip, In order to keep your stress level down at work while you're wondering what you read in the liner notes, I have them right here in front of me and it honestly does say 'gulf coast.' Now you can get something done at work... JK User: lp
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| Day: 16 Message: yes, but in the liner notes, I BELIEVE BUT COULD BE WRONG because i'm at work and i don't have the CD with me, it says gold coast... uh, right? LOL User: JustKatyLearning to Meditate
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| Day: 16 Message: Read your post with interest, Hutch......adding a line to the list you put out there.... 'Roll your cart back up the aisle'........I simply love the way Don belts that out. He makes me crazy, as usual! Which is why, LoveBob, your parting line hit home with me......but we wouldn't have it any other way, would we? I also noticed how Godwhacker begins with 'In the beginning....' a clever decision and not surprising for Don and Walt, of course. Not sure how to put this, because I do love 2VN, truly........but I believe EMG is what I was looking for back then.......there is the possibility that since 2VN I have evolved so totally into EMG along with Don and Walt that I'm right where I belong, who knows?? Anyway, it is a most perfect fit. No matter how much music or how many musicians I respond to, and there are many, Don and Walt somehow match up with me better than all the rest......it's happened for years, time after time......what is it with these two.... Just Katy In Awe User: Howard
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| Day: 16 Message: ... I should add that I am not (yet) 58, and do not have an expensive car stereo or a girlfriend half my age (or whatever the quote was). The first of these is almost inevitable, the second possible, the third highly unlikely. Howard User: IHPF
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| Day: 16 Message: lp: it's GULF coast. Not GOLD coast! User: scalder
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| Day: 16 Message: Happy Bloomsday all! Hope you've all been vittlin' on sizzlin gizzards in honour of big Leo? Wicked album! Have gotten verrrrrrry comfortable with EMG in the last week. Overall a smoother, warmer, more consistent ride than 2VK - stuff like Lunch with Gina and Green Book just leap way ahead of Blues Beach and Slang of Ages (the title's better than the track) though. Although I'm quite fond of Becker's vocal, Das Ubernasal is hard to beat for emotivity, especially on the title track - WOW! What a classic cut! (speaking of which (sort of) - classic albums TV series did a prog on some Def Leppard drek last night - what the ú@%& is that about?) Anyway - I did a playlist in iTunes with some 2VK tracks spliced into my faves from EMG and its the business! Jack of Speed and What a Shame, instead of pixeleen, blues beach, and slang ...anybody? Seamless, sweet and savoury. Its all good - but some of its spinetingling. cheers Scalder User: lp
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| Day: 16 Message: is the gold coast donald is referring to actually the gold coast of california? here or above: http://www.planetizen.com/news/item.php?id=9763&rf=e User: C @ W
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| Day: 16 Message: From bitmap to vector, snap, just like that. "Vectoreene" User: wormy
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| Day: 16 Message: Audi TT - yes Iggy's Lust For Life is quite commical ityb? Zeppelin's R&R to sell a cadillac is hilarious as well so is Greenbook or Pixeleen the digitized fem fatale??? hard to gauge Marilyn 4.0 wt User: C
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| Day: 16 Message: Lars - forget Niklas. It's Tommy Nilsson, but you knew that? Can't keep up with those jerks. User: Jimbo
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| Day: 16 Message: OKAY! MY REVIEW ON EMG! THE LAST MALL- Th e last day of shopping before the big one obliterates us all. The music sounds almost similar to a Simply Red tune called "Infidelity" which is a good song by the way. Well Done THINGS I MISS THE MOST- Brooding about the end of a relationship or living in the 9/11 world. Lyrics are very reflective. Becker's guitar BLUES BEACH- A happy,jazzy sounding tune about the going on vacation before the end of the world. Fagen sounds sinister and that's good. GODWHACKER- Funkiest track on the CD. Some say it's about assassinating God, but I really think it's about killing someone who acts like they're God. Examples of people who think they're God- George Jr., Bill O'Reilly, SLANG OF AGES-A historical first. Becker takes center stage. Blues-influenced vocals. More bluesy than jazz on this one. GREEN BOOK- Another highlight. This track could have been influenced by The Nightfly. Fagen's vocals never sounded better than ever on this one. PIXELEEN- Virtual Sex with a Virtual woman. Clever. Fagen shines again vocally and Carolyn Leonhart proves why she deserved the cover of July's issue of Jazziz Magazine. The music world should take notice. Michael Harvey blends well with Fagen on background vocals. R&B feel to it. LUNCH WITH GINA- Another funked-up track. Fagen rocks on vocally and with EVERYTHING MUST GO- Biggest highlight. Starts with a jazz interlude with Overall, I like it better than 2VN, though I have few complaints about it. THE DVD that came with it is so interesting. Three Essex, England girls That's it. User: Audi TT
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| Day: 16 Message: The one that absolutely kills me is Iggy's "Lust for Life" for the cruise ship commercial. User: C @ White Americans
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| Day: 16 Message: Randy - that's what I wanted to hear, 50/50. StAl - the problem is, or the deal is, if I hear "Pixeleen" in a commercial for a new cyber-game, I couldn't listen to that song no more without having that cyber-game in mind. Or Miller Beer, or whatever it is. You say it's only Rock'n'Roll, I say it's Art, and you can't sell out and get away with it, not in my case; those whores are forever banned in my CD-player. An example; there's a swedish singer/songwriter who wrote a song for his loved one, his true and only love, that's what he said in interviews when he was asked about the lyrics, when the song went high on the Top Lists. A year later he sold the song to a beer-company, and it was running every fucking night on the commercial TV-channels. Credibility uh? Lars - Niklas Str÷mstedt, "Dina fSrger var bls". User: mock t
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| Day: 16 Message: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-toth061603.asp gives a shout out to fever dreams, etc. User: Randy
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| Day: 16 Message: While songwriters have every right to do what they please with the songs they write and own the publishing for (Pete Townshend has made the case repeatedly with the statement "They're my fucking songs; I wrote them and I'll do as I wish with them"), consideration is no longer given to the fact that rock as an art form has suffered from excessive over-commercialization, from companies that have no interest in the environment, the arts, or the integrity of the material they pay for. While the artist may benefit financially, the expense is the prostitution of the song, it's message, and it's artist's integrity (at least to some). In terms of the Becker-Fagen publishing arrangement, I'm sure they're not quibbling about who wrote the bridge versus who contributed how much to the chorus; as I stated previously, their arrangement appears to be like that of Lennon-McCartney, wherein it's a 50/50 arrangement for credit and distribution of capital, as they were in it together from the start- "And it's the long sad Sunday of the early resigned..." Randy User: Beerberian UK brewing Giant
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| Day: 16 Message: Pat; In my experience (Hendrix of course) it usually does more to sell the music - which is why the artistes (or their money grabbin' companies) agree to it mebbe ? Our singles chart is quite frequently topped with ad tunes User: StAl
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| Day: 16 Message: Jimbo: I've always wondered what the big deal is, really, using music for commercial purposes. After all, isn't that why most people put these songs on records to begin with? Besides, if the product is shit -- like in the case of Miller or Budweiser, I don't care if they used the entire Aja album in a 40 minute theme commercial -- I still wouldn't buy the crap. I suppose this IS the problem. Using a quality piece of music to sell shit is the offensive part. Is anyone out there getting a kick out of GM and their use of Led Zeppelin songs to sell Cadillac's? Think back 30 years and try to visualize that one. StAl User:
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| Day: 15 Message: as soon as you start working User: C @ W
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| Day: 15 Message: dr Mu û try to get some sleep now. User:
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| Day: 15 Message: Slang = Salng User: DACW
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| Day: 15 Message: Salng of Ages - Becker tries to pick up "fresh meat"...Instead of dancing - they trade fours...the Slang of Ages is music and tabs a chords/vocings...however, the young buckette shows him a thing or two, and he's left hi and dry as stunned as Ronny Cox in Deliverance (OK, that's a bad analogy)...hi hat Too Flat...yes, that's a nice bass outro - a Rainey-esque climb.... The weirder Fagen's keys get, the better...Greenbook just kills - love it User: C @ Work
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| Day: 15 Message: I read somewhere in a paper about a Steely Dan-fan saying, about EMG; ûI am not saying it was better back then, but it's kind of not as good nowdays. User: DACW
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| Day: 15 Message: Here's the Review from Amazon.com. I think he gets it more or less... "Amazon.com Stacked up EMG and The Nightfly on DVD-A and I must say EMG holds it own quite nicely...Carlock is great, although most of the song styles involve the Stax "snare whacking" this time enlivend by a jazzier and LIVE approach. The Last Mall and title track are like being at a concert...while Home At Last Aja, and Black Cow have fantastic melodies and the performances are stellar, no, galactic...Peg, Josie, and even I Got the News are minimalist but clever quirky...puting on the asbestos suit quicly...Frankly EMG has better songs summing tuns + lyrics...then again I've always thought Katy Lied and Gaucho had better songs than Aja...mature, merging old writing styles even better with modern elements...the keys are the BRIDGES, the tight rhtym section, and the superb vocals and harmonies...while it's still hard to rate over Katy Lied, Ajaa, or the Nightfly - it's getting pretty damn close... I remember 10 years ago driving with my Dad and I've got on some R&B...he quips "I think your radio is broken." Our system worked well - he destroyed the old Nafco and ceramic florring and I laid the new stuff...I rest assured that if a tornado hit us, the only thing left would be the porcelin tile...grouting tomorrow...am resting my weary bones...the Courtship of Eddie's Father (movie version with a wooden/manic Glenn Ford) was on...too tired to switch and Shirley Jones was hot, especially in her volunteer nurse's uniform User: C @ W
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| Day: 15 Message: Jimbo - glad to hear we agree on this commercial stuff. And hey, don't worry, I got Pixeleen spinning in my head. Fact is, when my wife was out in the kitchen making coffee this morning (it was her turn), I sat in bed and suddenly, I sang, loud and clear: ûTHAT's WHEN SHE JUMPS THE TURNSTILE! It sounds good. --- StAl - when you're saying "...he plays what he's told to play..." it sounds like your talking about a drummachine. It doesen't work that way. Each musician has his own significant way of playing style, that's why they are chosen, right? User: Lovebob
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| Day: 15 Message: Lovebob here. Just "hi" and hoping anyone I may still know around this cyber-joint is alive and feelin' fine. i just listened to EMG for the 2nd time, and I'm somewhat confused but not surprised. Don't ask me to explain that, i'm still trying to figure out "Reelin' In Ihe Sheeves". I'm posting without first doing any catch up work, but I would guess that at least a few people are weighing in on the Becker-as-lead-vocalist issue. I, personally, am digging it lots. I'll tag that by saying I'm not a great fan of 11TOW but I wonder if "Slang Of Ages" will retroactively change that? I am simultaneously amused and disturbed by that concept. Kamakiriad is still a two dimensional experience for me as well. EMG... I don't know. At some point, if you let it, music will seriously fuck you up. Now go take on the day... lb User: DACW
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| Day: 15 Message: Hank - Angels Want to Wear my Red Shoes - a great one how about "You had better do as you are told Just who owns the songs from the ABC-Dunhill years?? MCA? D&W? Michael Jackson? ...essentially a virtual become real "blow-up doll"...beats picking Russian brides in the want ads! User: t
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| Day: 15 Message: Actually more like 4-1 now that I've estimated the actual sales this week, as opposed to Annie Lennox's (released the same day) cd / cd+dvd ratio which is about 8-1, and her dvd has live acoustic tracks and an interview. Could be Annie's cd cover that's scaring people away from the dvd... lol... User: t
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| Day: 15 Message: Aus - we carry both (couldn't get the dvd-a on release day - da bastads!). So far we're about 2-1 on sales of the reg versus special edition respectively. I got the special edition myself, opting to avoid the z's pox upon the loyal dandom, though aesthetically I prefer the basic's blue and yellow. I was reading somw of the interviews today as people were walking in to get it... it's such a blast seeing people so stoked to hear new Dan! They've made a lot of people very happy. Btw, I've yet to make it through Blues Beach without getting up and dancing. Should be an interesting experience putting this one on in the car. User: Aussie
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| Day: 15 Message: Tones: The Virgin MegaStore in Union Square ONLY sells the "Special Edition CD + DVD" dvd: steely dan confessions A unique ride with Steely Dan and Rita, Las vegas' most famous cab driver, entertaining an eclectic array of passengers all for $17.99 I bought ten for close family and friends. Aus User: t
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| Day: 15 Message: um z... you wouldn't happen to know if just the regular cd versions were "enhanced", or the ones with the extra dvd too, would you? Either way I think most of us will be ok since the first 1000 probably went to a few Costco stores in the midwest somewhere. Another good reason to buy indie... User: Aural Observations
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| Day: 15 Message: And brief initial interpretations... The Last Mall - Liked this tune the first time I heard it. You know it's a Steely Dan song before Donald even starts singing. It's just got that groove! Great bass line, especially the walking in the bridge. And if you just concentrate on WB's guitar parts throughout you hear cool little single note fills behind the vocal. The spacing of the guitars is perfect. Things I Miss The Most - Latin feel... especially with the little piano chords after "The talk, the sex". Great Beach Boy harmonies on the Birdy Bye-bye bit. Tremelo guitar in the right channel sounds great. Perfect touch. Blues Beach - Love the hand claps! This is a goddamn party record and this song is the perfect example. Funky bassline. When I first heard this song I thought it sounded a little too popish (re: cheesy) but after I latched onto that downward moving chord change on the last line of each verse it grabbed me. To me that's what opens up the song. And there's another similar progression on the last line of the chorus. The outro grooves me out! Listen to the angel chorus in the right, then left channel singing those little supporting lines. Fantastic. Godwhacker - Like so many of their tunes, a groove is established with the rhythm instruments at the top (and in this case a little tapping hi-hat) and then you get the big snare/hi-hat splash and your head starts bopping back and forth or to and fro as the case may be when the drum beat comes in. A little call and response on that funky guitar riff in the left side. And listen to what happens with that riff when the chord change happens on the bridge. After the synth harp interlude I hear one of WB's tastiest solos on the record. Slang of Ages - If you don't think Walter can sing listen to his dulcet tones on the chorus. Very smooth. Pretty straight forward groove instrumentally. Again the guitars on the right and left compliment each other beautifully. Check out the speed of light riff on the organ from 1:22 to 1:25. I really like the contrast between the dark tone of the verse and the sweet sound in the chorus. Green Book - This one and Lunch With Gina are fast becoming my favorites. This one could have come right off Kama. Again the establishing instrumental groove at the top then the big snare hit. Sinister low guitar on the left in the intro. Ted Baker plays some great stuff on this record. Nice touch the way they reprise the intro right before the guitar/synth trade-offs. Beautiful vocal harmony on the last time they sing the line "Green Book". Funny how minimalistic this song is as far as the way the parts are put together... hit the chord twice on the Rhoades every eight beats and let the bass carry the groove. Nice. Pixeleen - Again, how minimalist can you get in the intro? Hold a pedal chord on the organ while the guitar on the left chinks and the bass thumps eighth notes. Simple but it establishes a mighty groove. Nice horn part on the chorus. Again, those little rhythm guitar chinks are placed so precisely in between the beats. Lunch With Gina - I never get tired of those intros. The interplay between the left and right channel guitars is amazing. Rhythmic madness! EMG - Beautiful chord progression. This is about as jazzy as I've ever heard the Dan and it's sure got that gospel thing going on. Listen to the exaggerated vibrato on the backup vocals in the last verse. Love the little clavinet fills. Weiskopf's solos are an instant classic. Reminds me of Woods. Carlock's fills toward the end are spine chilling. Favorite lines so far: Yes, the Big Adios is just a few hours away. Give your roommate Yvonne a ring Give the man some some whackin' space. (That's a good one Roy) I'm so in love with this dirty city With just a splash of spectacular thigh. (The way Fagen sings that line cracks me up). Cast by a cool-enough yes-man. I guess she's a knockout - hey where have I been? Talk about the famous road not taken. Comments on the full-length Confessions DVD later. Hutch User: z
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| Day: 15 Message: Damn it MD (or RB, is more like it)- I guess you didn't get infected-I mean affected by the June 10 dumping(for lack of a better word), which is really frustrating, because you were the dude I was aiming for. User: the Music Business
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| Day: 15 Message: How many of your realize that donald and Walter do not atcually have control over whether their songs are used in a commercial -- or a movie-- or whatever? How many of you are aware that a large % of recent SD songs in recent movies were NOT approved by SD -- and that they did not even know about them until they were released? User: Jimbo
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| Day: 15 Message: I'll be posting my review of EMG tonight. CLAS- Interesting you brought up Stephen Stills. You may not know this, but a few years ago, one of his songs from his days with Buffalo Springfield was featured in an ad for I believe to be Michelob Beer. The song was, of all songs, "For What It's Worth." Stills even sang a recent version for that commercial. I thought that was low. A brilliant protest song from the 60's and one of the most ominous sounding ones being I agree with you that no one should have to sell their song to an ad company in order to sell more records, especially in this Clear Channel world. However, there are a few exceptions like Sting's Desert Rose, which I thought was a good song. But, what Stephen's doing is a sellout. But, as you know, Don and Walt are to smart to fall for shit like that. Sorry that EMG didn't give you what you wanted, but after a few more listens, I think you might give it another chance. But overall, I agree that selling an important rock song to a suit and tie company is the lowest that an artist goes. User: Bad bad
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| Day: 15 Message: Shakey Mail me now bad_sneakers@blueyonder.co.uk K By the way - love you Dano man User: Dano
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| Day: 15 Message: Had all weekend to get my EMG fix , and i find it a lovely upbeat happy album , lots of great songs to sing along to really enjoying it , like Angel or whoever said it , top down singing along type of album. Cant write a big story on it , but really fun to listen to. Pleased as punch as the saying goes. Dunc , Ascot i think will make or break NY NY , lets hope Dettori has a good week. Bluz , Small Change , sound choice Bigfella. Had a dooser of a Fathers Day , Swimming , Few Mick Jaggers, hope all the Daddies had a good day. Beaudacious , Any gigs at the Clyde Ferry lined up?? I could be haeding up the road for that?? Cheers User: MD
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| Day: 15 Message: Hey, what do ya know? Just as I was talking about jealous musicians... z pops in! User: StAl
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| Day: 15 Message: Ok, here are the first 3 excerpts from the One Hour Sale interview session. I'm sorry to say but they're encoded in Windows Media format. I will try to find a better MP3 compression utility, but Windows Media allows compression to 1/4th the size of an MP3 and I'm running into bandwidth problems on this server. http://www.banyantrees.net/interviews/track1.wma StAl User: Shakey
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| Day: 15 Message: Hey all you British/Scottish based cats. User: z
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| Day: 15 Message: No old sidemen,huh? No old sidemen,huh? User: Modern Drummer
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| Day: 15 Message: Tones and St. Al.: I agree with your assessment on the drumming situation. I also think Carlock was a hell of a lot cheaper to use then Gadd and or Purdie. l'll bet you they're saving a bundle taking Keith instead of Ricky Lawson on the tour. I guess it doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong. As St.Al said...Carlock is a monster! Johnny- You sound like another bummed out drummer that wishes he could have played with Donald and Walter instead of Carlock. May be next time. User: StAl
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| Day: 15 Message: JohnnyFever: Yeah, I'm with Tones on this one. This argument always pops up -- the old is better than the new. Carlock is a MONSTER drummer and brings the same flexibility Porcaro brought to their music in the 70's. If you want to see how good this guy really is, check out those OzNoy video's Pete posted. http://lebarbat.com/oz1.wmv I'll be posting excerpts of the entire One Hour Sale interview over the new few days. In this interview you hear them state the reason they were able to get these complicated arrangements down in a single take in the studio was specifically because of Carlock. Gadd, Purdie, Porcaro, Carlock are all great drummers, however, at that level comparing which one is "better" is like comparing which Steely Dan album is better -- it's all a matter of personal choice. The Gadd solo during Aja is one of my favorite musical moments in a Steely Dan recording. Just because Carlock doesn't cut loose like this on EMG, doesn't mean he isn't capable. The drummer plays what W&D want them to play. Also, isn't rather arrogant to claim you're one of the world's ultimate Steely Dan fans? I mean, I spend $100's of dollars a year maintaining this website, and easily put in 10 hours + per month administering it. I have a pretty good collection of bootlegs and I've spent $1000's (yes Thousands) on tours and other assorted Dan gatherings. I'd say that makes me a pretty big fan too... However, will all that said your opinion is welcome and appreciated, but please don't imply the rest of us aren't as big a fan as you. User: Anneke
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| Day: 15 Message: Thank you very much Hutch for your help! User: Hank 'up too early for a Sunday' Silvers
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| Day: 15 Message: Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial? Hmm, how's that old line go? "I used to be disgusted, now I'm just amused." I don't watch much prime-time TV, so this may have been on the air for awhile, but it surprised me recently to see a car ad using Van Morrison's "Moondance." On the other hand, there's a marvelous UK Honda ad that is a modern-day version of a Rube Goldberg device (link above). And in case you're wondering, that's Garrison Keillor doing the voiceover at the end. I didn't think there was a Honda dealer in Lake Wobegon... User: t
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| Day: 15 Message: C@W - I'm with you on this one. I'm not a big Sheryl Crow fan, but I heard one of the songs from her last album on a commercial before it was even released as a single. After that every time the song came on the radio I turned the channel, like I do with any commercial. Now I understand that here in the states it's hard to get airplay if you're not kissing Clear Channel butt, and without that exposure lots of people wouldn't have known she had a new album out, but it ruined any interest I might have had in the song. Lately I've noticed a classic Dylan song (I forget which one) that's been sold, and also they've started using "Blitzkreig Bop" (so much for rebellion... Johnny Ramone's a republican anyway...) in a commercial recently. I hate it. Everytime those commercials come on I mute the tv. If they're trying to sell *me* something it ain't working because it's driving me away. Neil Young is still right. "Ain't singing for Pepsi. Ain't singing for Coke. Don't sing for nobody. Makes me look like a joke." User: C
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| Day: 15 Message: Tones - you're absolutely right, the best you can do when it comes to music is to stick to younger musicians. And thank god Steely Dan is not a nostalgic trip, they are still breathing. Steeve - a joke? At least one Swedish newspaper went for it, and me too... I've been up all night wondering what Davida Paich would look like without that beard. And the chart, great, I am waiting! User: SteveeDAD
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| Day: 15 Message: According to the news page at the toto website, it was all a silly joke about David Paich. He is NOT having a sex change, but rather, he is staying off the current Toto Tour to attend to a sick relative. Wildfire !!! Clas - I'm still fine tuning the chart ... I will send it to you with the following caveat: No challenging my chords. Though that may sound a bit pompous on my part, you might not interpret my chords the same way that I play them. Plus, when this is arranged for a full band, the parts per instrument (bass, keyboard, and guitar) become more simpler on an instrument by instrument basis. The chart is meant to indicate the most important notes of the chord ... we all know that Steely Dan are the masters at obscuring what otherwise would be obvious chords and harmonic structure ... I'm sitting up, playing along with EMG on the keys ... having a great time. Happy Father's Day ... from somebody's Dad. User: t
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| Day: 15 Message: Clas... you beat me to it. See there Johhny, Gadd was already booked. User: tones
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| Day: 15 Message: Johnnyf - you're entitled to your opinion, but whether or not they use Gadd or Purdie is irrelevant. Carlock played what is right for the songs, or else he wouldn't have been used. And lord knows they've certainly gotten enough mileage out of the Purdie shuffle to last a career. Why use Gadd or Purdie for anything other than name recognition? Just like they were perfect for the music *25 years ago*, Carlock is the man for these *contemporary* compositions. It's time to move on, for crissakes... Besides, if you miss them that much find their websites and find out what they're doing now, or put on Aja for the umpteenth time... I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you're really "one of the world's ultimate SD fans" the last thing you should expect is for them to tread water or use famous players as some sort of gimmick so the fans can cheer. It ain't about that. Now, lets talk about those "tons of bootlegs"... lol... t User: C @ W
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| Day: 15 Message: JonnyFever - I don't know if Purdie would have made it, I guess it had been a lot of Pro Tool-work moving his "in the backyard-snares", but I'd enjoy hearing Steve Gadd on a the new one. Listening to Gadd's fingertip nuanced drumwork on James Taylor's "October Road" is heaven. User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 15 Message: Randy - thank you, really. But, what I was asking for, and maybe I wasn't clear enough is: Is there a no 50/50 split between Fagen/Becker? You know like; ûHey, you wrote the bridge, the rest was my original idea, so we'll split this 75%/25%. And that was interesting to hear, "Stephen Stills has indeed lent the CSN&Y song 'Carry On' (from 'Deja Vu') to Sony for use in a commercial..." I hate that. Anyone elses take on this, artists selling out? What would you like if you heard, say, "Things I miss the most" in a commercial for Audi? Or Rikki in a commercial for Bell Company? User: Johnnyfever
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| Day: 14 Message: As always, it's wonderful when you have some new Steely Dan to listen to. I don't think this album is quite up to par with Two Against Nature. Before you cop an attitude, I am one of the world's ultimate SD fans. I have tons of bootlegs and every legit recording they have done. I have also seen them quite a number of times in concert. I don't like the fact that they used the same drummer on all nine tracks. No offense to Keith, but the record could have really benefitted from a Steve Gadd or Bernard Purdie drum track. As a drummer for over 30 years, these are the things I miss the most about the new CD. User: Razor Boy - Canada
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| Day: 14 Message: "Everything Must Go" is pure genius. Instead of listening to the cd with lyrics in hand and reading the line to every song, I browsed through the notes and just listened. After listening to it another 2 or 3 times, I 'll then grab the liner notes and follow word for word. I cannot get the opening guitar riff out of my head for "God Whackers," or that synthesizer break in the middle of the song. "Slang of Ages" will take a bit longer (still getting used to Becker - never did buy 11 TOW - that is probably next)but like every other Dan offering, EMG is hynotic. After almost 30 years of listening to SD, they continue to be an enigma. Corny as it sounds, they are ultra cool. They may be the two biggest milktoasts around, but they throw out their commentary on all that is around us, and weave it with the richest music I've ever heard. It's like, "if the words don't get you,the music will; or vice versa. The bonus DVD was a scream; Although appearing to be mundane, one would swear they go through life like it were one big put on, and are killing themselves laughing at all of us. It was worth the wait. Now for the tour. Razor User:
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| Day: 14 Message: Anneke - to further "explain" "Godwhacker", in Mafia slang, to put a "hit" on someone, or have them "whacked", is to have them murdered. User: Rollin And Tumblin'
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| Day: 14 Message: played yesterday Larry Fuller Trio..Easy Walker.."groove yard"(new) Wayne Shorter..lp Adams Apple.."adams apple"..february 1966 Wes Mongomery.."full house" James Cotton.."blues in my sleep" Howlin Wolf..I aint supertious" Liz Wright..Salt.."salt"(new) Houston Person..Sentimental Journey.."black velvet" Bobby Darin.."how about you" Woody Herman.."don't let me be lonely tonight" Sonny Clark..Leapin And Lopin.."voodoo" Ken Clark Organ Trio..Eternal Funk.."the doctor is in"(new) Crusaders.."creepin" The Drummonds..Pas De Trois.."golden earrings"(new) Joe Chambers.."lady in my life" Tom Waits.."small change" Johnny Adams..Walkin On A Tightrope.."youre in for a big surprise" King Curtis..Soul Meeting.."have you heard? Eddie Harris..lp Plug Me In.."live right now" june 1968 Lou Rawls..At Last..'room with a view" Kenny Garrett.."aint nothing but the blues" Marco de Cavalho..For The Moment..title track(new0 Lamont Johnson.."burned by the passion" John Lee Hooker.."you know i know" Junior Wells.."so glad youre mine" Stanley Turrentine..lp Straight Ahead.."plum" 1968 John Basile..It Was A Very Good Year..(new) Charles Mingus.."tijuana gift shop" Freddy Hubbard.."breaking point" User: Hutch
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| Day: 14 Message: Anneke - Well, "iffy" means it looks suspicious. Like it might be good or it might not be good. In the case of the line from "Slang of Ages" the character in the song says, "These tabs look iffy, but you say they're good". Since I think this song may be about an older guy hooking up with a younger girl and going to a dance club then I take it to mean that she gives him some pills to take. Perhaps it's LSD or maybe Ecstasy. He's not sure, just by looking at the pills, if it's safe to take them. They look "iffy". In the case of "Godwhacker"... well, whack usually means to hit something. Like, "I'm going to take this stick and whack you with it". Or, in American slang, it sometimes means to try again. Like, "I'll take another whack at fixing this car since I didn't fix it correctly the first time". You can come to your own conclusions as to what it means to "whack God". A bounty is a monetary reward given to someone for capturing a fugitive. In the days of the Old West and the cowboys in America they had Bounty Hunters, and they could bring in the fugitive either dead or alive and they would still get the reward. We still have these bounty hunters today but they have to bring them in alive. Usually you hear the phrase, "He has a bounty on his head". I guess they chose the word "face" for rhyming purposes. Hope that helps! Hutch User: time zone guru
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| Day: 14 Message: Well, what can I say... I want to thank W & D for placing those various time pieces all over the new one... and they were even kind enough to set them for almost every concievable time zone! Of course, knowing our heroes' penchant for triple and quadruple entendre, they could represent Groovetime, cryin' time, stompin' time, gospel time, your two timer, the time of our tiime, stowing away the time, closing time at the Guernsey Fair, our little wild time, better times, another lifetime, the misty nightime, time to burn, hard times befallen, time out of mind, a glorious time, Springtime, Nervous Time, lantern time, shredding time, space and time, time that remains, sometime, or even party time. Oh, before I forget... the moving sidewalks are almost perfected... and I have the bruises to prove it. I definitely recommend you take off your cape before trying one. The jet packs are going to take a little longer than I'd hoped due to a little testing mishap involving some high tension power lines. We'll finish testing those suckers as soon as we get a new test pilot... forevah your tzg User: Anneke
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| Day: 14 Message: Hello there! User: Doctor Warren Kruger
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| Day: 14 Message: I once again would like to apologize for the numerous reports of infections contracted upon opening the first thousand or so copies of EMG. User: Gunner
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| Day: 14 Message: Clas: I checked out your pictures. You know, you're a very artistic cat. To bad you're such a jerk. User: Randy
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| Day: 14 Message: I recently answered the same type of question on the Crosby, Stills & Nash Website (which I do some work for); as it will basically answer this question as well, I have posted it below - (Original Text As Follows) "Stephen Stills has indeed lent the CSN&Y song "Carry On" (from 'Deja Vu') to Sony for use in a commercial, to the chagrin of many. Essentially how this works is this: if a songwriter owns his own publishing (as Stills does), the writer owns the actual song itself, and can do what he pleases with it - record various versions for various labels, etc.; what the record company owns in this instance is the specific version of that song as recorded by CSN&Y for 'Deja Vu' (1970). In other words, if Stills wanted to give Sony the version of "Carry On" that was recorded by CSN&Y for 'Deja Vu,' permission would have to be granted by Stills and Atlantic Records, and thus the money made from use of the song would be split between Stills and Atlantic Records. Since the version that was used in the commercial was a re-recorded version of the song, all the money goes to Stills, since Sony used the SONG (owned by Stills), and not the recorded version of the song by CSN&Y (owned by Stills as the publishing holder and Atlantic Records). Stills owns the song, Atlantic owns the recording. Another example would be David Crosby's live album from 1995, 'It's All Coming Back to Me Now'; Crosby re-recorded various songs such as "Long Time Gone" (which he owns the publishing for), but since he recorded it for Atlantic Records (who own the recording of the original version from the debut CSN album, 'Crosby, Stills & Nash' [1969]), Atlantic now owns both the recording from the first album and the live version recorded for 'It's All Coming Back to Me Now.' Again, Crosby owns the SONG, and Atlantic owns the recording(s) of the song. While songwriters have every right to do what they please with the songs they write and own the publishing for (Pete Townshend has made the case repeatedly with the statement "They're my fucking songs; I wrote them and I'll do as I wish with them"), consideration is no longer given to the fact that rock as an art form has suffered from excessive over-commercialization, from companies that have no interest in the environment, the arts, or the integrity of the material they pay for. While the artist may benefit financially, the expense is the prostitution of the song, it's message, and it's artist's integrity (at least to some). Nike will hardly be forgiven for their use of (illegal) child labor in the manufacturing of its products, as well as for their use of a virtual generational "anthem" (The Beatles' "Revolution") to sell said products. While Michael Jackson is blamed by many for that reprehensible commercial (since he owns the publishing), some say Nike should've had more tact and consideration by not asking for it to begin with. To this day I don't buy their products. At this stage of the game, commercial big-business hardly needs a helping hand, unless it's a hand that helps it destroy itself." (End of Original Text) In the case of Steely Dan, all their songs are credited to "Becker-Fagen" regardless of who wrote them (as in the case of "Barrytown" and "Bodhisattva," each of which were written solely by Fagen), much like the arrangement between Lennon and McCartney. When the litigation concerning the "influences" of the song "Gaucho" went down, Keith Jarrett was given a co-writing credit with Becker and Fagen, meaning that all publishing income for that song is split three ways. Many major-league artists (like Paul Simon and Paul McCartney) are able to take their respective catalogs with them when they leave a label; when Paul Simon left Columbia Records and signed to Warner Brothers in 1980, all of his solo recordings up to that time went with him to Warner Brothers; Warner Brothers then became distributors of his work; this is because Simon owns both the publishing (the "song") AND the recording (the "track"). Hope that helps- Randy User: C
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| Day: 14 Message: W1P? - It was a lousy review anyhow. But it makes me wonder... ...Howard, are you wearing a pony-tail? User: C @ Work
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| Day: 14 Message: I went over to that site, what's his name, Andrie Metzger? Well, there it's said that re Barrytown; Fagen was quoted in the 70s as saying Barrytown was one of the few SD songs he wrote without input from Becker. How does those things work when it comes to royalties and money? Are there secret 32%/68% deals that are known only to the composers and their publishers and lawyers? What's Jarretts share on Gaucho? 20%? --- Who's playing piano and elecric piano on Rikki, Night by Night, Any Major Dude, and Barrytown? User: W1P
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| Day: 14 Message: Clas, nevermind -- I just found one of those internet translation programs but it does not have Swedish only Norwegian (and bad Norwegian at that) User: C @ W
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| Day: 14 Message: Pixeleen - she's the female Indiana Jones. User: angel
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| Day: 14 Message: Snakie: Too funny about your daugher and Blues Beach. :-) LP: Catch you back on the West Coast. My current feeling is that EMG had a song removed. That would explain the short length and the fact that one of the lines in the original press release, never showed up on any of the songs. Anyone know anything and want to share? ;-) User: C @ White Americans
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| Day: 14 Message: This is your last chance to watch the pics I shot in Barcelona. Click the URL above or cut and paste this link: http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/galleri/paris User: Stan
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| Day: 14 Message: Hey Babydoll- are we still good for the Chicago show? Hope you're feeling better. Get in touch. Reverse the charges. User: Clas(a)
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| Day: 14 Message: And when why not try something new in the Age of Autumn? Do a Davida! User: StAl
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| Day: 14 Message: Ajax: Me thinks you're reaching, yes. The "plea for cancer on another site" is actually this site. See http://www.banyantrees.net/cancer/. Don't read too far into this as I only set it up becasue I believe in the cause. They're getting old -- just like all of us. StAl User: duncan
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| Day: 14 Message: Sorted Digs in Manhattan for a few days. Dano You coming to NY NY ? User: clasa
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| Day: 14 Message: clasa - that has a certain ring to it User: That's why... he won't be around...
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| Day: 14 Message: ...due to Davids sex change operation he won't be with the band this summer tour. Greg Phillinganes is taking his place for the tour. Hey, that would be nice to see, Phillinganes with Toto! http://www.toto99.com/ User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 14 Message: W1P? - eh? Ajax - it's all in his head, Brain-Ghosts. --- David Paich is changing name to Davida Paich. Look up the Toto web page. User: Terry D.
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| Day: 13 Message: The new Steely Dan album "Everything Must Go" is another masterpiece from the dominate duo Walter Becker and Donald Fagen. Every song is a gem. The more I listen to it the more I like it. The creative juices are still flowing from these guys. I hope they win another Grammy. This record is just as good or better than "Two Against Nature".So if you people want something worth listening to, Pick up a copy of EMG or any other Steey Dan album. Good Stuff! Terry D. User: not taking the bait...
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| Day: 13 Message: Ajax - I don't think someone who is seriously ill would schedule a three month North American tour. User: WJAZ
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| Day: 13 Message: Finally got EMG late Thursday afternoon...takes me awhile to get used to songs, but so far "Godwhacker" and "Pixeleen" stood out, I can see that maybe "The Last Mall" and "Things I Miss the Most" are growing on me... User: Ajax
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| Day: 13 Message: God forbid, but is Donald sick? I just finished watching the DVD, and he sure as hell didn't look healthy to me. He looked gaunt & shrunken, and let Walter do most of the talking. I also noticed on another SD site a plea to find a cure for cancer. User: W1P
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| Day: 13 Message: Hey Clas, hvordan stenger er (1) Norwegian til Swedish? (2) denne oversettelsen til noe som helst nµrming seg forstselig? User: Notes from the Eames Chair pt1.
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| Day: 13 Message: TLM - Capitalist House of Cards crashes to the sound of insistent altered blues. A recurrent Steely theme carried of with usual aplomb. Regards to all, User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 13 Message: Hey YGK - right on the money. Some people have complained to me about EMG saying that it's not as strong their output from the '70's. My argument is to challenge these naysayers to choose the song which they think is the worst song on the CD, and then tell me when they have written a song (music or lyrics) as good as these tunes ... and if they ever will. The answer is a simple NEVER !!! Aja - sounds like you are hyped about Jones Beach. Are you seeing them in San Diego too? Clas - I have not double checked those few chords in the bridge of Lunch With Gina yet ... I am not ready to send this one out yet. It's still incubating. I'm watching and waiting for Las Vegas and Santa Barbara concert tickets to go on sale ... It's a really good time to be a Steely Dan fan ... PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE User: YGK
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| Day: 13 Message: A few comments re: EMG......This is the best thing to happen since.......2vN! Absolutely friggin Fabulous. Last Mall: Instant Classic. Lyrically shallow û just like the Mawl. Great Opener. The humour shines through, but perhaps, for me, a little pre-release overkill. TIMTM: After 20 listens, this doesnÆt grab me (ôafter all the time I put into you!ö) beautiful, wistful, great arrangementàà.* shrug *àà.but it grows. Blues Beach: First listens were, um, like, this is cheese, but this grows on me as wellàà.light and airy û Happy Dan! But itÆs boppy, which I like. Godwhacker: this gets my best vote for ôfoot-stomper-beat-walkerö, where you awake at 6 am and walk across 57th from Le Bar Bat to the East sideààthis one simply cooks û lyrically snide, simply great grooveààà..and the guitar stabs at the end make me imagine strolling sharply into the sun. Slang of Ages: perfect fit for Walter, vocally, and the brooding nature, and then paired with Carolyn, turns a beautiful corneràààyou can feel how funky Walter doesààand the Slang me! brings it on homeà.nice horns in the pocketà. Green Room: dark and brooding û atypical Fagen Cool. Lovely underused bass riff, and Carolyn fills the Danbabe roll well, although I guess it could be her, Cindy or Catherine. Wonderfully haunting melody. (Wow! Melody! What a concept!) Pixeleen: the combination of FagenÆs harmonies and Carolyn Leonhart is just magical, the altered phrasing û these are not common 8 bar phrases, folks. I would love to hear this on hit radio. Lunch with Gina: This is too much too good too short! Fagen at his Finest! In_frickin_fectious groove. Love the lyrics û IÆve been dancing through the streets of Manhattan with this. EMG: itÆs got a Royal Scam feel to it, in its breadth and scope. But I hope itÆs just a song and not anything else. The Dan are Alive and are too young to close up shop. Hell, theyÆre doing much better than Enronàà. User: Boston Rag
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| Day: 13 Message: Joe - Wow! Fantastic job with The Complete Digital Steely Dan. It will take a few days to explore the entire thing. Thanks a lot! And thanks Pat for hosting the file! Mark in Boston User: Chillin at the Manatee Bar
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| Day: 13 Message: so my daughter walks in last night as i was blasting Blues Beach and kinda boppin' around the kitchen...she just smiled and shook her head...lol as we all know...it just keeps gettin' better User: Aja...............back@work
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| Day: 13 Message: Hello one and all! Been so busy I haven't even had time to lurk; I hope my EMG arrives today so I can jump into the groove with everyone else. TLM is in heavy rotation on the local smooth jazz station, and one DJ in particular can't stop raving about it, so the anticipation is running salivatingly high...... Welcome back to all the long-lost old timers! Good to see some of the familiar names around here again. 2 months until Jones Beach! Aus, you still out there? User: Rajah of Erase
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| Day: 13 Message: Isn't it mindblowing that at this advanced age, and I'm talkin for quite a few of us, something as, well, trivial really, as a new album by one of our old favorite bands can make us feel so damn good. User: Joe M
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| Day: 13 Message: Fellow Danizens, Roll your carts back up the aisle! Announcing the latest version of the Complete Digital Steely Dan... When you get a chance, flash on over to StAl's most excellent Steely Dan software page and download this puppy. http://www.banyantrees.net/software/cdsd.exe Revision 3.00 CDSD includes an updated slide show - additional sideman bio's including Dean Parks, Hugh McCracken, Keith Carlock, Jay Graydon and Rick Marotta - a STEELY search engine of the lyrics and periodicals database - lot's of new (and old) articles - new sound files and pictures - and tons of material related to the new Steely Dan CLASSIC "Everything Must Go." And what a great record EMG is, huh? Green Book is mind blowing, Godwhacker is a full-fledged smoker and the title track? Well, does it get any better than the tile track? A GREAT record, another great summer tour to follow... Life is damn good right about now! Let me know if you have any suggestions regarding content, new features, etc for the CDSD... I'm always looking to improve this thing in any way that I can. Thanks for listening folks, Joe User: C & W
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| Day: 13 Message: That was from the newspaper Dagens Nyheter: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1051&a=148867 User: Clas @ W
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| Day: 13 Message: Howard - I guess he meant both, on the other side I guess he's not deep into Steely Dan, it seems to me he doesn't know what he's talking about: "Missuppfattning om livet (the headline) Men nSr Steely Dan vSl slSpper ett nytt album hsller audiofilerna andan. Gruppen, som vSl egentligen bara bestsr av Donald Fagen och Walter Becker, splittrades 1980 och sterf÷renades som liveband -93. Comebackalbumet "Two against nature" kom f÷rst sr 2000. "Everything must go" Sr alltss deras andra studioalbum sedan sterf÷reningen. Det Sr vSlgjort, tro inget annat. Men i de tidigare ss obegripliga texterna har sms gubbigheter smugit sig in, som nSr Donald Fagen efter en separation sjunger om sin saknad efter sex, huset ps Marthas Vineyard och en sportbil av mSrket Audi. Han hade inte beh÷vt vara ss tydlig. F÷r ÷vrigt kSnns det som om de dragit mer st det bluesiga hsllet, vilket Sr ett sl÷seri med perfektion. Det finns redan tighta bluesband. Min stereo lider under pressen, och jag ryser ÷ver de krsngliga synkoperna och ÷versmarta gitarrsticken. Nsgonstans Sr detta kitsch, men samtidigt tilltalande. Man msste nypa sig i armen. Jag vill aldrig bli en ssn: 58 sr gammal, hSstsvans, dyr bilstereo och ung flickvSn. Det Sr en missuppfattning av vad livet gsr ut ps. Po Tidholm" Beerberian can translate it for you. Right Beerb? User: Floridavid
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| Day: 13 Message: EMG arrived yesterday. I'll continue listening through the weekend at the Beach Gig/Condo. I'm lovin' it a lot. Repeated listenings will saturate me nicely. Ah, Fresh Dan...is there anything better? Everone enjoy. Q- Check your email...I need to hear from you. David User: Mr Chow
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| Day: 13 Message: Hi all, It's been a while, but a new album brings me to the top again. Just a wonderful album - favourites will always change, but at the mo,, its "Green Book" and "Pixeleen". Classics already. I bought the CD+DVD and had a good laugh as well. Did anyone get Lucy's number? May i offer my hearty congratulations to Walter & Donald. The album is a supernova in the void that is today's popular music genre. Kind regards, User: enimen
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| Day: 13 Message: Today's topic: "Things I Miss." My first impression of EMG was that it was unflinchingly about death. We're beyond mid-life crises here (Hey 19, What a Shame), we're deep into endgame with the guy in the black robe carrying the sickle. I didn't like Things I Miss too much for that reason--it seemed to be a more mundane break-up song. I liked an early poster's comment about the narrator being dead; although I didn't buy it, it was an attempt to tie in the theme. But this is no ordinary break-up. The narrator is facing the things he misses and is probably never going to have again. When she left, he was not about to jump back to the mate market. He's too old, or too withdrawn. [aside: I think Fagen's feeling both, though Becker seems more and more outgoing as the years go by.] The litany is a funny yuppie gift list, yes, but it's also reminiscent of all the things that go when you age. Death comes in stages. The Audi TT and the house on the Vineyard remind me of the list of things the old man loses at the end of the "All the World's a Stage" speech from "As You Like It." The sixth age shifts User: Beerberian periscope up
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| Day: 13 Message: EMG is indeed a collection of smoothly cool, wildy witty, sleaze-addled & bejazzled-rock toons for sure !! Just took a drive - windows down, sun beating CD throbbing - not sure Burton is Q ready for such antonymic sophistry hey ho Early 80s New Wave singer/songwriter, Joe Jackson, originally from Portsmouth and now based in New York, he'll be performing a couple of tracks from his new album, Volume 4, along with a classic tune from his back catalogue. User: Howard
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| Day: 13 Message: Howard User: Howard
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| Day: 13 Message: Roy.Scam - "Positive Girl" Gina, I like it! A bit *too* positive methinks... Hutch - I agree about the end of the intro on EMG. It seems to finish just a little too quickly, and the length of pause doesn't seem right before the sax comes in. Might have been better with slightly longer decay on the last intro chord, and a shorter gap? I can still imagine this intro being a HUGE crowd-pleaser live. The recorded version sounds like they were really having fun, so imagine what they'll do to it live! Clas - I don't suppose that review is available on line? I just wondered whether he was referring to D and/or W when he said "I don't want to be like that", or whether he was referring to someone else (a stereo-typed Dan fan?). There have been a few more updates at SD.com, for those who haven't visited recently. Howard User: Moll
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| Day: 13 Message: My Viking Warrior, still trying to raise hell? lmao.. Save your money babe. If ya didn't like the Steely I sent you, I'm pretty sure you won't like their new stuff. The ground fog is harder to wade through when you're f***ed up Sugarman. *kisses* User: jjeff
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| Day: 13 Message: Steviedan: Honesty is so liberating, eh? :-) DACW: Re: Your dad's comments. I've been in the same situation. It's the generation gap but further down the line and both party's are aware of it, I think, which makes it so nice. He's throwing out a line and you caught it. Did you ask him what his thoughts were on the music or did he volunteer? I feel a Tones blitzkrieg coming... he's storing it up... it's building... User: stevagain
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| Day: 13 Message: i'll guarantee that the purveyors of aforementioned comments are HUGE velvet underground fans. just an educated guess... User: steviedan
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| Day: 13 Message: i am SO enjoying everyone's commentary on the new one but i pARTICULarly enjoy the "i've-listened-to-it-fifty-seven-odd-times-and-either-it-sucks-or-i'm-just-starting-to-get-it" ones ! i've listened to it ONCE and ONLY ONCE. i had not previously heard any of the tunes and matter of fact, right now i'm listening to "mambo inn 2". now, i'm sure that over the weekend i'll listen again and take some notes and subsequently bore the denizens with them in hopes of getting a special st al byline and just like bad sneakers, i'll DEFINITELY be bombarding our crowd tonite on the breaks, but really... ONCE was all it took. it is it's own work. it is ANOTHER album by steely dan. it was very clear the first time. User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 13 Message: db - yepp, an Owl in the Moss. User: db
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| Day: 12 Message: Is that an Owl at the end of Slang of ages ? User: Gunner
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| Day: 12 Message: Clas- Actually nobody was asking about it. User: Bloody darn, this language...
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| Day: 12 Message: ...quite funny... /C User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 12 Message: I've been listening a lot to Lunch With Gina, those lyrics are actually quiet funny. --- Here's the URL to the Guestbook CD (I was told somebody was looking for it): http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops User: DACW - selected errata
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| Day: 12 Message: I'm thinking of Slang of Ages (something timeless) AS a continuation of a SD thread, music itself. merry-GO-round... User: DACW
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| Day: 12 Message: I'm thinking of Slang of Ages (something timeless) and a continuation of a SD thread, music itself...Monkey in your Soul and Throw Back the Little Ones were veiled commentaries on the contract with ABC-Dunhill and the recordproducing then tour merry-fo-round...done in an ultra sly way - here it seems like a commentary on the musical generation gap, but frankly, I'm less assured about the meaning of this song than any in the Dan collection... ...am replacing tile in the kitchen, dining, and entrance areas...there's nothing quite as therapeutic as 500+ whacks of a sledgehammer. My Dad is a big band/dixieland guy who never heard a record post 1966 he didn't find irritating, but once said about Gaucho "sounds like they've practiced..." Gave EMG the thumbs up...was impressed by Charlap's wonder-arpeggio when Pixeleen breaks down..."yeah, that works" I can't believe this...as a child I vaguely remember, from a couple visits to the Empire State, that my mother's 2nd cousin's husband (are you still with me?) in NY was the President of an Italian ship corporation...but what I didn't know until last night (the balsa wood crack came up) that his company owned the freakin' Andrea Doria! Mum said he was never the same after that... User: Crawler
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| Day: 12 Message: Was surprised to see that Tawitha and Brenda are used on EMG. Them and one more toured with Dave Matthews Band for a few years -- with horrible results. I've come to the conclusion that they are actually talented vocalists when used well, and they are used very well on EMG. However, if you'd like a good laugh, pick up Live at Folsom Feild and listen to the "improv" they do during a 20 minute Angel jam which I almost fell asleep during. User: caramia
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| Day: 12 Message: I am enjoying everyone's takes on EMG. A couple of listen-through's for overload since Tuesday, and initially I love Pixeleen with it's wide range of notes oscillating in a way to burn a pattern in my brain where I'll be humming it all summer. Also I have this Weird Al Yankovich need to super-impose Mark Knopfler's "Money for Nothing" chorus: And I love the homage to Elmer Fudd in Godwhacker... speaking of concerts, see some of you in locations that might even surprise me... L-U-V, User: lp, and another thing
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| Day: 12 Message: aus, angel - please email me User: Luckless Pedestrian
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| Day: 12 Message: hey, a couple more thoughts: i love that dance-tango piano thingy (sorry aus) at the beginning of things i miss the most - the start of a romance story that's gone, very cool intro i noted there is a background of what sounds like peepers on the green book, anyone else note that - if it was meant to do that, ala the beep of the horn(s) at the words "traffic interesting" in janie runaway, then i love it angel - yes i noticed that high note is a tough one, i doubt they will do it in concert, but i wish they would speaking of concerts - ward, i believe june is in for the new hampshire show - did i tell you the renovations at the club are almost done, just a few more days and bridge starts on the terrace with lemonade on the side User: W1P
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| Day: 12 Message: jjeff -- thanks for your preliminary read on AFFoPF. We definitely didn't shy away from the tough ones. Let me know what you think of Astronomy Domine -- a knowledgable music fan (who actually is known here) compared the guitar solo to that in Reelin in the Years. Alles Mu¯ Gehen User: angel
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| Day: 12 Message: Still reading, my apologies for posting first. Ole: Yes, the "Rajah's of Erase". I fully intend to put that on top of my future erase orders. :-) Pixeleen is probably the closest that Walter Becker is going to come to writing a song specifically for Sayan. Too much love in that song, for it not to be "Little Kawai" 2. User: The Viking
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| Day: 12 Message: Just a thought - dya think there'll be an Eminem website thingy like this when I'm 40? (bear in mind I am 31 in 7 days) I like the thought of chewing over the latest Deep Dish offering when I'm married with kids - me and my mates are already getting far to over-analytical with the recent music, and remember, this music has no words............. User: The Viking
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| Day: 12 Message: Well now, aint y'all got yer panties in a bunch eh? User: jjeff
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| Day: 12 Message: I feel like a traitor to say anything negative reguarding the new stuff, but my comment about BB being recycled Tomorrow's Girls came from only two listens..... and I'm not handing out accolades just because it's " new stuff". Part of being critical is just that. Same tempo,merciful/vertical-rays. I'm sure things will change when I get the plastic home and pull the plug on the phone. JJ/BB: Thanks for the interviews and links. That's the second time this week I've heard/read that SD don't like Rikki or dismiss to the back row sort-o-thing. In one interview they said the only thing they DO like about it is the chord change before the chorus. So don't expect to hear it live. W1P: Got it yesterday( so fast!!!). I'm not a floydophile so I'm not familiar with a few of the cuts in the original state( which can be a good thing). But boy, you picked some hard ones to cover. I had to give a quick listen to Dogs and Sheep, just to see what you would do with the "effects". User: Gary Katz
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| Day: 12 Message: It was really selfish of me to take credit for producing the first seven albums. Now I can't even get my name mentioned in the special thanks of the CD credits. A lot of people thought something was missing from Kamakiriad and Two Against Nature and they thought maybe it was because I wasn't involved. I was very flattered. But they figured it out; they've gone back to analog to regain that special sound, and people will realize I had nothing to do with it. User: Hank 'damn, this is a good album' Silvers
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| Day: 12 Message: So here we are, the album is out +2 days, and in a way we're still Blind Men trying to describe the Elephant that is "Everything Must Go." Me, I'm still soaking it all in, listening to the fervent feverdreamers as well as the CD. Here's an early whack at it: In "Things I Miss the Most", the protagonist is alone in the aftermath of a failed romance, but he doesn't sound as though he's about to break down. Even though she cleaned him out, taking 2 houses and a car -- and, perhaps for spite, his prize guitar -- he doesn't sound particularly bitter or despondent. Instead, he dispassionately lists his former possessions as though he was itemizing the losses for an insurance claim. Perhaps he's just numb, or maybe it's a positive side effect of those meditation lessons. Things heard on headphones: In "Blues Beach," a little keyboard low-note squirt immediately after DF sings "scraping bottom." User: The talk. The sex.
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| Day: 12 Message: I'm so high on the Dan I can barely reach my keyboard... User: C
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| Day: 12 Message: Snake, Rattle & Boil - Snake Mary's delicious. User: Roy,Scam
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| Day: 12 Message: I'd like to be so presumptuous as to express my initial responses to EMG before I read all the others and get my head opened up: *The Last Mall- This CD had me hooked in the first five seconds. I can hear the gospel undertones of "Confide In Me" but this is better. Somehow the end of civilization seems sadder now than it did thirty years ago when I first heard "King of the World". *Blues Beach-Why do so many people not like this one? The campy early 60's sound has just enough steely surprises and unexpected chord changes to keep it from becoming "Sugar Shack". This song makes dying sound like fun. ... Like a day at the beach. Plus, I'm prone to like a song that quotes Laura Nyro, maybe twice. My biggest complaint is that parts of it sound like "Tomorrow's Girls" recycled. But no one can completely avoid copying himself. *Godwhacker- terrific song; love the lyrics. Give the man some whackin' space. Boy, if I had a nickel for every time I, well, never mind. -This sounds a bit like a poke at radical fundamentalists, who get so wrapped in their own dogma and righteousness that this God character gets in the way. Or maybe Rush Limbaugh wrote it as an exaggerated portrayal of removing prayer from the schools. -- The Stevie Wonder style solo in the middle is the highlight of the album for me. One question though: They apparently brought Bill Charlap in from Blue Note records, and I can't pick him out of the mix. Is this another Mark Knopfler thing where they bring in a heavy weight musician and then bury his work to the point that it's indistinguishable? *Slang of Ages- I can stand 3 or 4 of these on every Steely album. The switches from Booker T groove to the birdland chorus and back are beautiful. I don't presume to understand the words; I thought it might be about music bridging gaps of communication. But my son listened to the album and said," I think that Becker song is about drugs, probably acid." I suppose when you start seeing the planes in people's faces, you're either at a Dali exhibit or headed for Groovetime. -- The opening phrase "let me put it this way..." reminded me of another favorite song of mine that Walt started with, "In case you're wondering..." *Green Book- Jill St. John? Joey Heatherton? Marilyn Monroe? Tuesday Weld? This guy was paying attention when he was young. Is this another "Springtime" thing where technology lets you live your fantasies and/or memories? Or maybe it's a book of memories and this is sentimental ode to a long time lover. I could tolerate some occasional sappy romanticism from the bakers of cynicism. *Pixeleen- Technology is just as good as reality. Hell, it's better. If the movie panders to youth, has enough proven successful gimmicks, and a catchy theme song, we won't need real people or real life. Show Biz Kids are now running the studio. My first response to this song was that I think it's prettier than "Almost Gothic". This Bill Charlap fellow (piano this time) got buried again. Working for Don and Walt can be an ego bruiser. *Lunch with Gina- Subtitle: "Positive Girl". Donald, just find yourself a nice Jersey girl with positive values. This is your third helping of Black Cow and these oblivious schizo women are just gonna leave you staring into your coke. Nice instrumental break. The outro also reminds me of that negatively charged girl that repelled the poor guy in Two Against Nature. *Everything Must Go- Great stuff. Once again the longest and jazziest song ends the album. This one's better. Yes, a bit like the song Gaucho, and Donald sounds like Don Henley on parts of the vocals, but what a recording. There's not a single instrument that's not played brilliantly on this song (though I haven't figured out what percussion Don and Walt are responsible for). Love the rhyming of 'beat us' and 'margaritas'. Initial Favorites: Godwhacker, Everything Must Go , The Last Mall, Slang of Ages. (I'm not that good at narrowing things down.) Thanks for your indulgence, User: sh
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| Day: 12 Message: Hey Now! That was a great idea! I have this recipe I got from a South Korean friend, I'll send it to you, the meal is called CookYer Spaniel. /C User: StAl
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| Day: 12 Message: Hey now! Lot's of great comments regarding the new one. See what I've been saying all along...Give us something relevant in the Steely Dan world and discuss we will. With this in mind I'm going to be sifting through the previous 48 hours of postings looking for the best reviews and publishing them on a separate page. If you've been holding off writing a review for Every Thing Must Go, it'd be great to hear from you now. You can also email them directly to me. Email address located above. So I think we're finally ready to get this cookbook idea rolling. Now I realize many of you are probably thinking "What in the world does a cookbook have to do with Steely Dan?" I suppose not much. However, as witnessed by pictures of myself, and the conversations that have occurred on this guestbook in the past, I gather cooking is fun for many of you. I've been lucky enough to convince Alton Brown (of Good Eats fame) to help out as he's a big fan of the band. Hopefully I can convince W&D to contribute as well. I also plan on going after some of the past and present band member to see if they wish to contribute and finally it wouldn't be complete without participation from the fans. So if you're interested, please email me directly and I'll fill you in on the details. Check this page out for more info: http://www.banyantrees.net/cookbook.html StAl User: let's talk EMG
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| Day: 12 Message: Howard - The Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter's reviewer Po Tidholm ends his review of EMG: "I don't want to be like that: 58 years old, ponytail, an expensive carstereo and a young girlfriend. That's a false idea of what life is about." if you don't get it I guess you can email him and ask what he means, try www.dn.se --- And Howard, Stevee and others, did you notice the style this Walt Weiskopf User: YGK
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| Day: 12 Message: HOLY SHIT! That's a whack/wiggy monster tune....... and I think it will answer the question of whether or not we can dance at the shows..... I will try to post a song by song feel (IMHO) laters..... This Kicks Ass!!! ygk User: Audi TT
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| Day: 12 Message: Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention about "Things I Miss the Most". Where would you get "sad cuisine"? Why, at the Sad Cafe of course! Yet another Eagles reference, and a song which has a lot of religious imagery and loss and resignation themes itself, including this line: "I don't know why fortune smiles on some, and lets the rest go free". User: Audi TT
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| Day: 12 Message: I've listened to EMG constantly since buying it, and it started out good, and then it gets lots better. As usual with SD, I just keep uncovering more and more with every listen. The lyrics reveal layers and layers of meaning, every single word perfectly chosen, just like the poetry of William Blake which the boys incorporate by reference in Godwhacker. "Did He who made the lamb make thee?" Now there's Hell to pay. The last stanza is about how difficult rehab is as the drugs come out of your system. The chills ("grab big dog a blanket") and how bad you feel (things may get a whole lot worse") and even the temptation to get a fix ("Before suddenly falling apart") and completely failing. "Your roommate Yvonne". Yvonne means archer. Archer... arrows... needles. And if she "still wants in" (his vein) he's gonna have to pull some strings (to get drugs at rehab, which is not impossible, trust me). And now he's dying. If he succeeded in scoring in the previous stanza, then rehab is a complete failure. In any case, he's resigned to the fact that he's not cured and never will be. He will always fight this addiction and it ain't no vacation. User: wormy
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| Day: 12 Message: hutch - yes a 54 strat is big greenola so did he loose it to the ex wife in spite? or did he have to sell it in the post divorce downscaling??? not something I'd ever wish on anyone wt User: enimen
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| Day: 12 Message: Most adjectives mean either GOOD or BAD anyway, right? User: enimen
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| Day: 12 Message: Pixeleen is making me laugh until I weep, and then making me weep for the beauty of it. Ole, this hits home so hard: that my brain is riddled with Steely-specific receptors, from cortex to amygdala. Like chocolate, alcohol, or speed receptorsùI can feel them getting occupied and the urgent sense of relief as I listen.... And similar receptors for your comments, so keep them coming. Wish I could be more insightful, but my overwhelming emotion right now is that this is a very very good piece of work that has pretty much taken me hostage body and soul. Auntie En User: snakehips
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| Day: 12 Message: EMG is musically and technically perfect...I've come to expect nothing less from Don and Walt, but I still need many more listens...haven't had a chance to listen at home while reading the lyrics... Have only been able to listen to EMG in the car, but as of this morning, favs are The Last Mall, Godwhacker, Lunch with Gina and Everything Must Go Actually, the title cut is KICKING MY ASS! I played it 5 times on the way into work today. That *gorgeous* sax intro, then the pause, then the groove...classic Fagen vocals (and Donald is in fine voice)...hope they do it in concert...can't you just see Fagen, with sunglasses on at the keyboard, rocking from side to side like Ray Charles? Damn..that's good stuff. Slang is a very cool tune...too bad Donald didn't sing it. It's ruined for me with Walter's monotone, talking (rather than really singing). Boy, I'm gonna catch hell here for this ;-) *disclaimer* - all of the above comments are subject to change... User: JJ
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| Day: 12 Message: and another interview ........ see above User: JJ
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| Day: 12 Message: Here's some Philly news (see URL) calling EMG an underdog album User: Hutch
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| Day: 12 Message: Wormy - A '54 Strat in good condition is probably worth about 20 Grand. That was the first year Fender made that model. This is a wonderful album. I've listened to it straight through three times now. The first listen was with speakers while reading the lyrics and then twice with headphones just to soak in all the instrumental ear candy. Agree with Howard on Carlock's hi-hat work on TLM. Love that off-beat thing he's doing on the bridge. That little prelude to the song EMG is an interesting touch. I wondered why the final chord seems to have been cut off rather than letting the instruments ring out and dissolve smoothly into silence. Maybe it represents the money hungry bastards' majestic rise to wealth and power which was abruptly cut off at the knees. Loving the return off Donald's synth harp. His keyboard work on this album is superb. Hutch User: wormy
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| Day: 12 Message: howard - enjoying your musical insights that Joni dvd has 5 bonus cuts from the Painting With Music and Words love the intro to Things I Miss the Most - the foreboding and restlessness are conveyed brilliantly in just a few bars I can understand the car and beach houses but what does the ex want with the 54 strat - sounds like pure spite wt User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 12 Message: If you get the blues and love listening to the blues or bluesy jazz at those times, put on the title cut of EMG. So good. So very good. This album is becoming a part of me just as 2vN did, except this one starts from a more accessible place. I ordered my DVD-A version from dvdempire yesterday. The folks at Media Play looked at me like I was crazy when I asked for it. But it was cool to walk in there and get their bogus, phony greeting, "Good morning, welcome to Media Play. May I help you find something?" Me: Yes. Steely Dan's new release, 'Everything Must Go', please. We walked over to a cart with the new releases still in boxes. I helped myself to an EMG CD/DVD. Fresh from the box. Nothing more satisfying than self service, sadly. Thanks again to Walter and Donald. Enjoy the accolades, gentlemen. You have earned them. User: Howard
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| Day: 12 Message: Clas - who was the reviewer talking about when he mentioned 58-year old ponytails? I don't get it. And what's the problem with pony tails?!? I've been starting to notice more musical details (boy I love this phase of getting in to an album). Initial impressions of the guitar work were that Herington was relegated to doing very dry, percussive "choppy" chords on many songs (Last Mall, Green Book, Pixeleen, Things I Miss), and Hugh Mc. was the one doing the tight, funky little riffs (Godwhacker, Gina). Nice as all of this is, I was starting to miss the richer, more sustained-style rhythm guitar work that we sometimes get from them... and then I started to hear it, below the surface of several songs. Lush, sustained chords in Pixeleen, tasty heavy tremolo guitar in "Things I Miss". Looking forward to discovering more of this. And whatever you make of the drums, doesn't Carlock deserve a medal for "best use of a hi-hat on a Steely Dan recording since Peg" for his work on Last Mall? Howard User: JJ
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| Day: 12 Message: ... and here's a coverstory (see URL above)on SD and EMG User: Beerberian Googling
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| Day: 12 Message: Sneaks where ya been ? mail me @ work ... NY Times à User: Bad Sneakers
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| Day: 12 Message: OK Folks Who is going to the Aug 31: Syracuse, NY : New York State Fair ???? See you there ??? EMG is etheral - I blasted a festival audience with the CD last Saturday - Got them higher than they already were - Nuff said ?? Can't wait for Glastonbury and T in the park now. User: What's those words?
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| Day: 12 Message: It must be hurricane... It must be Harry Cane... It must be Herbie man... ? User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 12 Message: Ahch, das est nicht so, Gina! Come on, conquer me, I am not afraid! User: Never mind
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| Day: 12 Message: the "dutch" part is a translation of sentences from earlier posts. grammar and such ain't exactly right, so i gather words were thrown in a cyber translation tank. User: ps II
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| Day: 12 Message: and regarding the stalker items in Lunch with Gina ... from where i hear the lyrics and listen to them and or interpret, it's mainly about attraction and this game of back and forth, the fear of giving in, as we're all familiar with the gender chemistry depending on one's character and personality which can make for all kinds of actions-reactions etc etc. it's interesting to see various interpretations and references given the tracks, the lyrics and the music. this is a very balanced CD. and i think they served their loyal fandom pretty well. not only because they gave us new music/lyrics to dive into, they also make us take trips into the past, remember music and trigger stuff. so our minds can ease on journeys through time, imagination and all that. was just in my parent's garden, Gaucho being obnoxious. left the headphones inside, so no EMG for a few minutes. i heard this neighbour play his piano, it sounds like an old saloon kinda thing. his wife died a couple of years back and he bought himself an old piano and started learning how to play. he's over 70 and to be sitting in the garden and hear him play simple tunes, so endearing however, the birds along with the sound, summer in its most visual wealth ... Banyan Tree Back to EMG's details Bow, User: De band is net fantastisch, die echt is wat ik denk
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| Day: 11 Message: "Lunch met Gina" een fantastisch lied is. Het wiegt net. Het is ook soort van grappig wanneer u denkt aan het omdat in het begin van het lied de Guy aan alle, die hij kan doen doet om de girl te vermijden; "Zo ben ik te de vloer in de geen optie zone Er ongeveer nul zij op gespijkerd Is riskeren zal geven en naar huis zal gaan" Maar gedurende de tweede helft beseft van het lied hij ten slotte dat zij nogal veel heter is dan hij eerst gedachte.. "Ben ik ongeveer om post te gaan wanneer zij waltzes in ik zij raad, waren een knockout, Hey waar ik hebben, is?" Ook is het mogelijk dat het aanhang vers een toneelstuk op woorden is? "De kelner komt nooit God voorspellen, die de dienst beter zou kunnen zijn" Komt de kelner nooit? Wie doet het wachten? Hij is natuurlijk. Dit zal een beetje ook riske' zelfs voor Steely Dan misschien zijn hoewel, maar het mijn geest in Overweging kruiste die de songwriters is. User: ps
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| Day: 11 Message: and about Green Book, i sense this Zappa-esque vibe in it, especially in the verse when Donald sings "i like the neon i love the music", then it's like he takes the listener right into what he's experiencing. and there it is, some Zappanisms. LOVE it. User: Gina
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| Day: 11 Message: hey Clas :-) User: Oh well...
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| Day: 11 Message: ...lunch in an hour. Gina? User: C @ W
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| Day: 11 Message: Tawatha Agee, has been working a lot with Roxy Music. User: Gina
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| Day: 11 Message: Googled the name of Tawatha Agee, background vocalist on EMG and found some nice stuff to read. Feels like old times, when the vinyl in the stores made you check the list of musicians on the back of an album, then spend all afternoon looking for the names and eventually leave the store with a stack of spinning treasures :-) User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 11 Message: LP - best of Jackson Browne? Oh I bought that too some time ago. Lousy mastering, and odd choice of songs. But, "The Pretender" is there, and "Lifes in the Balance". And the bonus "Next Voice You Hear", great song, with a muted trumpet, not an usual Browne-song. --- Apropos "the next voice you hear will be your own"; http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops Send in your songs for the Banyan Trees Guestbook CD! User: DACW - three times perfect
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| Day: 11 Message: Green Book is virtual mail-order porno....construct your own Babe on-line...instant Pinochiette...singles site Geisha Girls programmed for pleasure - meet her in a smoky bar, slow dance to Aja...the dance, the dress, she's a concept more or less.. User: DACW
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| Day: 11 Message: Ole: When the iteration swings around, notice the mobius striptease "Medicine for the Blues" becomes "Medicine Park" on Blues Beach and on Pixeleen the blur between realility and virtuality of the ultrateen model computer videogame (penned by a hack in the Palisades) or comic book teen hip heroine cum movie spy Laura Croft/Charlie's Angels meets Power Puff Girls sensation causes a clever lyric scramble...filmed in digital video - so editing and mergin ultracool special effects by Final Cut Pro or another program is a breeze...definitely a brunette...the film makes a short run and now is on DVD-V at Blockbuster... "...Pixeleen [a dropped comic book lies under a ebb mini tide?] TO: "...Pixeleen User: oleander
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| Day: 11 Message: PixeleenùBookworm: BINGO!! I was thinking exactly that. Where do all these people think Lara Croft, Kim Possible, et al. came from? I would argue they largely grew out of "Neuromancer." Molly Millions was the original cyberpunk girl samurai. This song feels like an hommage a Gibson. Actually, the Idoru started out in "Idoru" and made another appearance in "All TomorrowÆs Parties." In "Idoru," one member of a band suspiciously reminiscent of Steely Dan falls in love with an AI construct, Rei Toei, the idoru. (Steely refs abound in this book.) There already have been computer-generated girl pop entities in Japan; Rei Toei is on a whole nother technological level. Much intrigue ensues re nanotech, love with the abstract, fandom, stardom, international theft, Japanese cultural weirdnesses, etc. But what I think Pixeleen has to do with it is: what if Rei Toei had been a teenager? What could she have been like? If she were a teenager now, as opposed to Æ96, when the book was released, I think sheÆd be a lot like Pixeleen. A regular adolescent with parents, pager, and cell, but able to do or be literally anything, informed with video gaming, Western culture, and action movies. And talk about bankable! Thus the movie chat.... There is a big scene, in "Neuromancer" I think, where Molly does this gladiator thing on a catwalk in a warehouse. And in Gibson, somebody is always landing in Roppongi and getting in trouble, most recently Cayce in "Pattern Recognition." User: Manuel Trevino
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| Day: 11 Message: Yeah, "Lunch With Gina" is the latest chapter in the March of the Borderlines. This guy canÆt get enough of beautiful women with personality disorders. Negative girls, Pegs, Josies, almost Gothics, junkie girls... drive you bats, but like you say, craveworthy. Funny take on the waiter there. User: wormy
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| Day: 11 Message: aussie, lp - sounds like a danfest in Manchester NH is developing audi tt - great take on "things I miss the most" ole - yes the andora grey analogy - nicely put why am I always draw to the more remorseful dan tunes emg - okay, anything to miss wt User: Bill
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| Day: 11 Message: "Lunch with Gina" is a fantastic song. It just rocks. It's also kind of "So I'm nailed to the floor in the no-option zone But during the second half of the song he finally realizes that she's "I'm about to go postal when she waltzes in The waiter never comes? Who is doing the waiting? He is of course. User: west of hell's kitchen even
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| Day: 11 Message: oh and thanks to the IND and WND for the shout on the latter's best piece since peg User: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?img_5425.jpg
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| Day: 11 Message: how can anyone think green book or even emg are good? is green book even a production, or more a meditation? kinda like neg girl, tho that one was cymbolically more engaging, or my rival...zzz...if yer gonna be slow be melodious like ghana rhondo... ... just poll the local kids, not the stupid father, it'll be pixelteen... it's like they refuse to make an album full of pixeleenz and hey 19s... they seem to think they need to include these harsher things -- when listening to the whole album, green and slang (which is smoother) provide some relief from pop and can 'work' --- like an extended whine between crackers the three best tunes on this cd, offering drive, hook and groove and hence memorability, hummability and makin me move are completely obviously, structurally and forever, god, pix and gina (NOT blues blech or last stall)...the boringest are emg, things and green... since pretzel, the title tune has been distinctly get gone poppie: scam, aja, gaucho, tvn even nitefly... all sonically and lyrically interesting but not for the testosterich, bang zoom to the tomb... User: oleander
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| Day: 11 Message: OK, as MOJO says, "This is some rich shit"! Also, it is completely clear from repeated experiments that my brain is riddled with Steely-specific receptors, from cortex to amygdala. Like chocolate, alcohol, or speed receptorsùI can feel them getting occupied and the urgent sense of relief as I listen.... The album coverùthe watches listing the song numbers are great. And the last one, within the jewel case at the backù5 oÆclock, quitting time. Pix on the back: just the axe, maÆam. And inside an actual picture of themselvesùbut weirdùlooks like 2 different photos fused. Last album, I mostly sat & waited to hear what other people said about the lyrics. NowùI canÆt wait! I'm barging in! TLM: I love this song from that first guitar note. It says, "Hi! This is Walter Becker, and IÆm going to play on every fucking tune, so GET USED TO IT." And then your feet get knocked out from under you by that uprush hookà. OK, so itÆs not about the Rapture. Or, maybe, but IÆll buy simple apocalypse, with culturally dead Americans unable to think of anything to do with their last hours but shop. "Gospel morning"ùwhen the trumpets sound. I already talked about how flippinÆ brilliant the blood orange image is. Things I Miss: Hilarious song about a pretty clueless yuppie divorced guy. Wonderful lyrics: the poker-faced chorus. You start to feel a little bad for him, and then "...the Audi TT." "My sad cuisine"ùspeaks volumes. "Adorable ghost." "And then ba-boomà." Mr. FÆs delivery is so deadpan. Best line: "IÆm learning how to meditate/So far so good." Yes, the Andrea Doria was a famous wrecked ocean liner a la Titanic, but more recent. It was a lavish Italian luxe liner, which fits superbly in the imagery of the song. In 1956 it made a wrong turn in the fog and another liner smashed into it amidships. Within 20 minutes it was clear the AD was going to go down. Most passengers were saved; about 50 died from the collision. So hereÆs our hero, a guy floating aimlessly in the fog just waiting to get broadsided by something big, building (while heÆs falling apart) a pointless model of a doomed 50Æs luxury icon, out of balsa wood, which floats spectacularly but is quite brittle and extremely lightweight. Now is there ANYBODY else who could invest an apparent throwaway line with so many layers of meaning?à I donÆt get the birdie part, especially that last little offkey bità. The song is chockablock with yuppie semiotics. Everyone probably knows what an Eames chair isùa modernist icon, now considered by jaded youth to be campy. The Eameses, Charles & Ray, were a brilliant design couple for whom furniture was only one creative outlet. Depending how much of a completist you are, Eames chairs are still available (as are copper pans). GodWhacker: Let me tell you how brilliantly these guys evoke a period and a mood without being obvious, and also how hip Number Two Son is. He comes in during the intro, first listen, and says, "IÆm gonna get you, sucka!" He immediately got that Shaftoid feel, which seamlessly melds music & lyrics.... First off, they start a song about God with "In the beginning...." Do they EVER miss a beat?? Someone mentioned the ref to BlakeÆs "The Tiger." "Rajahs of Erase"--terrific. They always come up with some inimitable neologisms.... Is this the closest thing we have to a Steely theology? Are they holding God responsible for the bad things that happen? "For crimes beyond imagining"? Or is this a comment on the hatred organized religions harbor for each otherÆs God? Well, if youÆre going to have apocalypse, I guess it makes sense to whack the Maker so this mistake of a world doesnÆt happen again. Slinky Redfoot-ùSatan? I hate to say it, but the "angel girls" bring to mind CharlieÆs Angels, fallen as they are.... Great lines: "And when the stars bleed out/ That be the fever of the chase" (I can see it); "Give the man some whackinÆ space." Dunc--thanx for the tip on "clock" UK style. Snapshot of the week: me & Mu on the phone trying to sync "Pixeleen" on our computers.... Doc, I capitulate. She is perfect. OK, too long post. Back after other tunes. ...but oh yes, Green Book, endorphin FACTORY!! User: Let's Cut To The Chase
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| Day: 11 Message: Pixeleen is gold standard on the new one. Trying to figure out what kind of flowers to present to Ms. Leonhart at Jones beach after the gig.....her voice on that track, which I hope the boys play live this summer is right on sexy. Wormy, did you buy those tickets? I'm in. Aus User: DACW - cookin' with the Steely Dan septet
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| Day: 11 Message: AudiTT: Excellent...aprTs the nookyular fallout of Blues Beach...rack 'em, Oleander...yes, they're laughing AT him, not with him as well as Dave in Acquisitions...I'll have my Reuben on Wry please... The DVD-A is out of this world, and on headphones it is a virtual 5.1! It IS the best sonic and engineered CD I've EVER heard as well...awesome balance clarity, separation, and space... Clas: Then I guess you're leaving? ...put your co-worker on! Yeah, that's what happens once Donald and Walter finally learned to read and write music!...or whatever... User: lp
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| Day: 11 Message: i know the new radiohead is out too - anyone else purchase anything while they were at the store picking up EMG? i also picked up the new Lucinda Williams CD - liked Essence better, but it's still great the new Jack Johnson cd - it's alot like his first, but if you loved the first, who cares, right? best of jackson browne and yes, i thought of you clas - i only have vinyl of his stuff so it's time to update can't wait to get home to listen to EMG again - User: YGK
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| Day: 11 Message: Clas: not true, meatball, not true at all......btw - where's Your album? User: cat schwappah
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| Day: 11 Message: 2 days of the new one. I go back to Katy Lied, AJA etc... and think of it's "first day". AJA, sported wood for days! Now, EMG, I'm back at AJA. 2 days of wood and counting. I do miss the absence of pedal steel, Carlton and McDonald, but I really like this one. catmando. User: C @ Work
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| Day: 11 Message: The Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter's reviewer Po Tidholm ends his review of EMG: "Jag vill aldrig bli en ssn: 58 sr gammal, hSstsvans, dyr bilstereo och ung flickvSn. Det Sr en missuppfattning av vad livet gsr ut ps." "I don't want to be like that: 58 years old, ponytail, an expensive carstereo and a young girlfriend. That's a false idea of what life is about." User: angel
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| Day: 11 Message: Got my copy of EMG at Best Buy yesterday. Surprisingly, lots of the Special Edition ones and loads of regular CD's. Promply rode to the airport and popped the CD in (I left the DVD home, so no thoughts there). My little one really likes Pixeleen (D & W, think of doing this in concert, the children laugh at the funny lyrics)and Godwacker. We listened to the songs on the plane while sharing our 1 headphone. Funny. By the way, we had the movie Chicago playing on the airplane and the song Green Book worked real well with the gritty look and subject matter of the movie. User: Fran Sedlak
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| Day: 11 Message: I went to Best Buy on Tuesday, 10 June 2003 and picked up a new release. EMG is all that! I can only hope that Walt & Don recorded 9 more gems that they can release next year. I am still hooked after all these years. I am going the DVD-A route this year and I will re-visit Nightfly, Kamakiriad, TAN and EMG. Isn't this fun! Keep it going Dan Fans. EMG = GRAMMY, GRAMMY, GRAMMY Fran the Dan Fan User: Did this make you ill at ease?
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| Day: 11 Message: Swedish panel urges compensation for forced sterilization victims STOCKHOLM, Sweden (CNN) -- Thousands of men and women forcibly sterilized during a 40-year selective breeding campaign in Sweden should receive more than $22,000 apiece in compensation, a government-appointed commission recommended Tuesday. The panel of investigators determined that 63,000 people, mostly women, were sterilized between 1935 and 1975. Many of them were targeted for the procedure because they were considered racially inferior or mentally deficient. Minors, the mentally retarded, epileptics and alcoholics were among those sterilized. Some operations were performed as a requirement for release from prison, to qualify for certain welfare benefits or to avoid losing custody of children. The sterilizations were in line with "eugenics" -- a concept of selective breeding to improve human stock. The idea was accepted by many worldwide in the 1930s and '40s, but taken to horrific extremes by Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. Many women in Sweden signed a document agreeing to be sterilized, but an unknown number were coerced into the procedure, the commission said. Earlier investigations have estimated between 6,000 and 15,000 people were forced to undergo sterilization. "We aim to answer this question with our final conclusions this summer," said commission member Leif Persson. The commission noted that 5 to 10 years after their operations, nearly 80 percent of those sterilized said they were happy with their condition and did not regret it. Payment could not be regarded as true compensation for forced sterilization, commission head Carl-Gustaf Andren said in presenting the 22-page report, but it will provide "concrete and visible evidence of personal redress, an expression of taking a stand against and regretting what took place." The commission has yet to determine how many victims of the program are still alive. Only about 20 people have contacted the commission since the story surfaced in 1997, shocking a nation that had come to epitomize a welfare state that cares for all. The investigators' recommendations must be approved by the government, but Andren said he hoped individual compensation could be considered as early as this summer. User: Bookworm
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| Day: 11 Message: Just a thought re Pixeleen - given SD's and William Gibson's mutual appreciation, perhaps the inspiration for the character comes from his book All Tomorrow's Parties which as aficionados will know features a certain Rei Toei, the idoru - beatiful girl, virtual icon, post-human being. User: Oh yes...
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| Day: 11 Message: ...they probably would have an album out at that time Malcolm, but you wouldn't. /C User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 11 Message: There's a certain fascistoid feel over this Everything Must Go CD, it makes me feel ill at ease. The album would make a pefect soundtrack to Bu±uel's and Dali's movie "The Andalusian Dog". No warmth, no heart. I am disappointed. User: The Here After...30 years later
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| Day: 11 Message: Audi TT..not only do you see, you understand the cross circuit between ghosts/mortality music and a true blues sense 25 years on... Enimen..pro quid, when we all meet again almost 30 years to the day for a live show in the nest..remember educated in the east..growing long on the branches of the tree known as the sound of southern california..mic mac..skunk..denny..the horns..it will happen one more time(last mall) bluz User: Passing Through
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| Day: 11 Message: Audi TT: "The days really don't last forever User: The Audi TT
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| Day: 11 Message: Oops, I forgot to mention, in "Lunch with Gina", they are *both* stalkers. But then again the song is about drug addiction. User: The Audi TT
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| Day: 11 Message: EMG does have a warmer more bluesy feel. 2VN is too chromatic in comparison, although there are plenty of echos of 2VN style in the new one. EMG integrates more of the older material feel. Overall I like EMG better at this point. One theme I find running through the album (aside from the cybersuite) is mortality and death. An interpretation I have of Things I Miss the Most is not that the narrator is divorced and bankrupt to the point of losing cookware, guitars and furniture, but that he's DEAD. In his afterlife, his spirit haunts his Gramercy Park apartment unable to interact with our world, barely able to perceive the living much like ghosts would be to us. He can't affect the living world's environment, he's got to "hunker down" to read the newspaper his adorable ghost has left by the couch. The "girlie" magazine is not girlie as in porn, but girlie as in something she would read and leave lying on the bed. He's learning to meditate (since that's all he can do) and he's (metaphorically) building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood, passing time doing nothing. The birdie verse is literal, as in the old superstition that animals can see and empathize with ghosts. So he's resigned to an eternity of lonliness and absolute boredom doomed to remember the emotional and material Things I Miss the Most. Perhaps this is the Dan's version of hell for their more morally bankrupt characters, an eternity of suffering and longing for that which they can no longer have. User: enimen
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| Day: 11 Message: Quick superficial thread for a deeper thinking literatum/literata to pick up: Pixeleen is Negative Girl three years later, and is Peg 25 years later. The girl whose appearance is her soul (or at least so it appears to her male observer). Ogling and worshipping are one. I like this album very much. Thank you, thank you Don + Walt. User: The Double-take Brothers
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| Day: 11 Message: What's all the fuss about round here? Anyone would think Steely Dan had a new album out or something...... Duhhh!?!?!!! User: Oh yeah.....
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| Day: 11 Message: Snakehips- "Doesn't sound full"? Are you and Steely Dan fan listening to the same cd as me? This maybe the warmest, most full sounding record SD has ever produced! Some of you people have GOT to be kidding! Is my mind playing tricks on me or is everybody here starting to sound like Clas? User: Somebody To Trust
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| Day: 11 Message: Toss up between Janie and Godwhacker???????? User: snakehips
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| Day: 11 Message: Godwhacker First - Donald sounds great! So does Carolyn. Love the funkiness on some songs. But, all in all, most of the cd has a "light" sound, not enough horns, not enough piercing lead guitar, doesn't sound full and luscious and I'd rather hear Donald on all vocals - Walter should stick to bass and occasional lead guitar. Haven't even pondered the lyrics yet... And everything I've just said will probably change after several more listens! I'll be back... User: SteelyFan
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| Day: 11 Message: It's tempting for me to also say this blows away T vs. N, but I have to be diplomatic because this sounds so fresh and i've had a few years of listening to the last one and like every album, you grow a little tired of it. That said, there were two tracks on TvN i never cared for (Shame and Dupree) and Gaslighting was just an adequate opening track. There's nothing on this CD I will skip over when listening to, so that's enough for me to call this one the winner. Right out of the gate this CD is the clear winner with the opening two tracks. 3rd track: Two against Nature is better than Blues Beach. Toss up between Janie and Godwhacker and Slang and Gothic (hard to compare, yes but i'm going track for track here). Green Book is better than Jack of Speed, Pixeleen beats Cousin Dupree, toss up between Lunch with Gina and Negative Girl and West of Hollywood beats EMG. User: Bill
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| Day: 11 Message: EMG Day 2... With lyrics like; I'm learning to meditate, so far so good You've gotta admit that these lyrics capture the emotional aura of a User: JJ
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| Day: 11 Message: Gangrene Shock My leg is black and the fluidÆs yellow IÆm signing in for this rehab program They toss for blood and a glass of Chivas I like the neon I love the music IÆm so afraid of this amputation They toss for blood and a glass of Chivas ItÆs kinda scary to be right here [JJ] User: Oh, yeah.......
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| Day: 11 Message: Clas(les): take Fagen's solos, try to learn them, write them down (or get your son to do it for you), work with a metronome, slowly, and gradually up the speed to album tempo. By the time you do that, The Boys will have another album. User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 11 Message: What a great day! The sound quality of the 'real' CD was so great and added so significantly to my enjoyment of the collection. I can't wait to get the 5.1 and DVD-A verions. I'm glad to see someone who claims to not like EMG and comprehensively reviewed each track negatively. I always feel better when there is at least some opposition. No dissent can mean mass hypnotism. What a great variety of new sonic experiences. Some familiar-feeling lyrics and structures, but tons of originality. Some super playing on all instruments. I can't wait to hear this stuff live. I love the DVD too. While I dig the too-cool-for-school-esoteric-literate attitude the boys usually assume in interviews, I really prefer the more real, more relaxed banter and joking and that give us fans a glimpse of what it would be like to be friends with the guys who made all our favorite music. If that make me, a forty-something white-collar shmoe, a sycophant, so be it. I love reading what the other SIS posters expereince as they get to know EMG. This is prime time for Steely Dan fans. Let's sip the wine, savor the flavor and enjoy. User: YGK
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| Day: 11 Message: I gotta say, after half a dozen listens - "Godwhacker is the shit"........ As some of most likely will discover, this is a sexy album - the rhythms drive and pump, and if you were hanging out with the girl from Hey 19 (and add a few years or so), babysuit-ish, with nothing but chiba chiba and fine wine, you'd have plenty to do. I'm starting to get it........ ygk User: Howard
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| Day: 11 Message: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/bh/rumsfeld.shtml Who can forget such classics as: "We do know of certain knowledge that he (Bin Laden) is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead" I guess that narrows it down a bit... Howard User: duncan
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| Day: 11 Message: just after the word margarita is sung, Can i here a quiet ''ooooooohhhhhhh'' :) User: Howard
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| Day: 11 Message: DACW - yes there are plenty of Mu chords on EMG, though not so many of the "traditional mu major" chords, where the root is in the bass (basically, an add9 chord). There seem to be more of the "third in the bass" type - Godwhacker, Things I miss... I think chords like A/C are becoming the "new mu major chord" - they are using them more and more. Luckless Pedestrian - I agree, I think the narrator in Gina starts to have second thoughts right at the end of the song. Typical Dan, to leave the story hanging like that. Does he give her a chance? Does he live to regret it? Who knows. wormy - thanks for the Joni DVD tip off. That makes two Joni DVDs I should buy (still haven't seen "Painting with words and music"). Howard User: JJ
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| Day: 11 Message: Ha. Soon. User: Jilted John
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| Day: 11 Message: The lyrics online as well. User: Beerberian - should be workin' - but wtf
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| Day: 11 Message: EMG incorporates everything but the sonic kitchen sink - a technique that the boys are masters of... A mixture of richly smooth sounds, luscious tones and undeniably catchy lyrics, which envelope you in a blanket of comforting jazz and blues inflected snugliness !!! ... as true to the line declined as ever - Thanks User: Yes,
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| Day: 11 Message: where's Midnite Cruiser? /C User: C @ Work
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| Day: 11 Message: I couldn't help but laughing, Gap Brandy ûBlues Beach, thanks, but no thanks... --- But there ARE some positive things to say of this album, although I haven't heard all of it yet: It's an awesome tight swinging band-feel, though I guess Fagen had to make, say, 65 takes on those synth blues harp-solos (and then Scheiner had to put them up in pro-tools and from those takes, put together a decent one). And the Chimes! And the Triangles! Is that Gottlieb? --- SteveeDan - how's it going with that chart you've been ranting about for days, I am dying to see it. User: jjeff-----Not to be confused with the skunk
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| Day: 11 Message: The skunk is bored, I guess. User: Walt's Friend, Guy Lupe'
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| Day: 11 Message: Now that you've finally released something we can all swing to AND celebrate in this, the FAMILIAR, dimension, I'd like to make some comments about your use of "Slinky Redfoot" and hope it doesn't KILL your buzz. First of all, on the karaoke circuit, I'm as familiar as you are to the bean counters in Holly Would. Only you guys are the KIBBLE without the BITS, dig? I loved the schmarmy pay-back intentions in DF's ode to Libby Titus but WHO DO YOU THINK I AM? Just another napkin-foldin nuisance biding my time and tripping you up at the awards show just to get YOUR ATTENTION? The truth be known, (And I know it all too well), you guys are richer than rich kitty's dander and shorter that Rich Little! Grrr! Now do you see how serious I am or intend to be someday? Really, you guys are the shit and please disregard anything I may write in the future that doesn't smell. I really mean you stink eternally and to a skunk that's LOVE brother... User: Gap Brandy
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| Day: 11 Message: After repeated listens to EMG here are my conclusions: Title: Weak concept unfulfilled. Are DF and WB out of touch? Yep. 1. The Last Mall: Who Cares? You're 20 years too late. 2. Things I Miss the Most: I have a friend who's going to call me tomorrow, laughing his ass off at, "I'm building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood." But I detect something troubling: The hurried, almost after-thought delivery of, "The house on the Gulf Coast". Is this the new "Florida" of DF lore? Is he making fun of us? I say, "Yes". 3. Blues Beach: If this is for us, your fans, then "Thanks but no thanks, assholes." 4. Godwhacker: Now we're getting somewhere. DF's voice is definitely benefitting from pegging the analog tape and touring for a bit. Sure, he's a jolly Rajah until he answers for his crimes... 5. Slang of Ages: The Coup De Gras. A turning point in the Dan and I hope it sticks in THIS dimension. 6. Green Book: Yellow and blue make green. Rejoice! Your heroes read your rants! 7. Pixeleen: I've listened to this CD 5 times and still haven't heard this song! 8. Lunch with Gina: I think I'm gonna' vomit... 9. Everything Must Go: Including my dog who has been waiting patiently. Welcome to the world you left behind, Steely Dan. It's time to clean it up and make amends--not run away from it. User: bloodorangesky
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| Day: 10 Message: dang. thanks for full voices. missed those the most shopped out, fred User: steviedan
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| Day: 10 Message: WOW lunch with steely dan is forever User: Godwhacker
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| Day: 10 Message: hsll iii c ock aae green x uwn hso ...just so you don't have to smoke expensive pot to get it... User: Clas @ Work
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| Day: 10 Message: Hi Jay! Thanx for email. (Jay Dubz & the Americans, 's that you?) Okay, I guess Steely Dan is out with a new one, regarding to some writings below. Listening to Steely Dan is probably a good thing, it may inspire you. The working title is "Sketches & Strange Loops", but I'll change that, I have an idea of an multi-instrumentalist, a kind of a one-man-band, Greek style, like that man connected with a horse. So maybe the title will be "Mister Parkers Band". 1. Hutch 2. Jay Dubz 3. Howard 4. Gina 5. Roy Scam 6. W1P? 7. SteveeDan 8. Brett the Eskimo Biker 9. Bad Sneakers Did I forget anyone? Please let me know. How about BobLovesBob? Follow the URL above or cut and paste this one: http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/sketchesandstrangeloops User: Mike A
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| Day: 10 Message: I am on my 3rd listen although I "got it" on the 1st. EMG is the best Steely work in a long time. Every single track is a gem. I can't believe I bought it for $11.99 because it's worth 10 times that. It's difficult to pick a favorite track (all outstanding). I guess my least fave is Last Mall. The sonic quality and stereo seperation is obvious. Sounds awesome, even on a crap boom box. (Hi, LeAnn) Mike A. User: duncan
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| Day: 10 Message: Some UK translations I'm looking for someone in NY to hook up with for the Roseland show. User: DACW
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| Day: 10 Message: SteveE: damn, I was just thinking that...maybe he was looking around for Larry Carlton to copy...errrrr write their charts...LOL User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 10 Message: LP - Here's my take on some of your questions: "what is the following reference in slang of ages: "these tabs look iffy you say they're good"? drugs? apparel?" "is pixelene a hot video game? a cyber-porn star? an updated janie runaway?" "if gina is a stalker as someone posted before, then doesn't he come around in the last stanza?" I'm glad to see that so many people are enjoying the new CD. Not that I find that surprising around here ... User: DACW - the roots of coincidence
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| Day: 10 Message: Aussie: Carolyn's vocals are a thing of absolute beauty on Pixeleen as is the song...The whole album is a soulful blast, but I'm particularly partial to the Cole Porter on Deludin stuff: Things I Miss the Most Yes, I hear merging and expansion of the Nightfly and Plush Jimbo - buydvdnow has the DVD-A in stock as does amazon: http://buydvdnow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=DA100170 I had trouble navigating the Hastings site (gohastings.com) for the DVD-A version - had simply visited a local outlet and placed the order personally a few weeks ago...this morning as they opened at 9 am - they fetched it and the CD-DVD enhanced out of the back. Not making this up - I saw a guy hammering a sign at a street corner on the way from Hastings - furniture store going out of business - EVERYTHING MUST GO...and in that dark blue of the DVD-A...spooky... Listening to the DVD-A without and now with headphones...wowowowowow! User: wormy
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| Day: 10 Message: Topsoilant pleasantries to all hey aussie - yes I'm consider Manchester and have an option till tommorrow on el primo killer seats - nice trip up the coast or main lp - haven't seen your email yet here at home I should name drop more often dvd save dvd-audio for tommorrow nite chao User: Aussie
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| Day: 10 Message: Wormy, Aja, and LadyBaySide: Just catching up to all the cashed electronique mail at the brand new flat. Superb place in upper east side....anyway: Tom, I just may join you to see the Dan in New England, hope June can make it too.........Aja: Great news, I will try to rescue you from the clutches of the seedy cab drivers at the airportte, more to come later......and LB: The party sounds swell, count on me concocting some Dan-inspired potent potables. Doesn't the New One rock? And yes, Ms. Leonhart shines beautifully on it. Love, love, love, Aus User: lp, once more before bed
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| Day: 10 Message: hubby said he loved the tokyo/japanese comic book reference as well in pixeleen - brought us back 2 years from now when we traversed by those skeevy but clean and happy comic book and video game shops in tokyo, music blasting out the front door - bright neon moving signs - it's all there as well as a red light district in tokyo there is also an electronics district that's really a hoot to walk through just about every street corner has this strange video/comic book/video game/cyber-everything outlets now the song makes perfect sense must sleep now, maybe one more listen? User: Robin
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| Day: 10 Message: I took the Slang reference to tabs as drugs ... And Pixeleen to be a movie, possibly along the line of the Final Fantasy movie -- with a totally computer-created cyber character. However--what is with the noodle shop??? The Roppongi reference -- a Japanese red-light district? The bogs of Jersey -- a nod from Donald? Here we go again--once the melodies and solos have permeated our lives, we can enjoy investigating the lyrics! User: lp, one more thing
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| Day: 10 Message: wormy - check your email User: lp, and another thing
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| Day: 10 Message: my husband and i both hear a little element of china crisis and the new orleans robbie robertson release in this cd or is that a blasphemous statement? lol/smirk User: Luckless Pedestrian, gin and tonic in hand (not tanqueray, blue sapphire bombay instead)
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| Day: 10 Message: hey in here! just read the flurry of excitement below if anyone sobers up, i have a few questions: who is michael harvey and how did they hook up with him? my top 3: things i miss the most, pixelene and slang of ages User: Robin
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| Day: 10 Message: Happy happy release day to all!!!!! Grabbed the first one out of the box at the local W-Mart on the way to work this am. CD on constant repeat all day at work. Acquired the CD+DVD this evening. What a tremendous day! Even an admission from my 14-year-old today that the Dan are pretty cool! (Of course, I think she is identifying with Pixeleen!) Maybe it's the Dan gene I have passed along to her... You don't know who we've got in the back seat! User: Schwinn
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| Day: 10 Message: Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Don and Walt. I couldn't have asked for a better birthday present. That and the rocket launch to Mars made this a birthday to remember. See you in the Green Room... User: Just KatyDanFan
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| Day: 10 Message: Just had to chime in and say how great it is to have another new SD CD! I'm listening for the first time -- El Supremo came in the door with it and it took us all of 60 seconds to get those grooves into the air! I haven't scrolled back, I will have to do that sometime soon, but I did catch a reference to Clas, so (yelling across the ocean) Hi Clas!! I assume you are still hanging out in Sweden! How've you been?? Also, is Gina still around?? You'll have to come clean about it, did you have lunch with the Dan? That would put me in the Green Book, definitely! (Not sure what the Green Book is about yet.....I'm thinking envy!) Altimira: Nice to see your familiar face. How are you -- still in Washington, DC? Lurking In Amazement and Awe: There's always someone like you who just can't quite understand what we do here! All I can say is your last line is rather accurate, we plead guilty! You will come to know that it 'takes an SD fan to understand an SD fan.' We're just as ordinary and weird as Don and Walt, and that makes sense because it doesn't make sense, otherwise it wouldn't make sense, if ya know what I mean! You could always masquerade as Slinky Redfoot and become one of us! Did anyone see the video clip/promo of them in the cab with different girls...you've got to see it to know 'what' makes sense! It's called SD Confessions I believe. How hilarious, so Don and Walt, the whole thing! Things I Miss the Most is drawing me in..... Has anyone seen the ads for the CD on TV? 'Everything Must Go'in huge letters, pretty impressive! It was Barnes & Noble I think...it sort of shocked me at first! I'm wondering how many of the old gang are still here.....Bob Tedde, Midnite Cruiser, David Moore, Oleander, gosh, so many, with every SD name imaginable.....there truly is no place on earth quite like this guestbook! Also wondering if any of you have 'SD' type bands playing in your area. Here in the Philadelphia area we have a band called Royal Scam 2, and they do a show of all Steely Dan! We saw them at the Berks Jazz Fest, and they were great, playing about 40 different SD songs, two almost 90 minute sets!....all the ones we know and love, and there was no way the fans could sit still....I never danced so non-stop and had more fun than I did that night! Maybe some of you have had this experience many times, but I never ran into an SD band until March! They play in New Jersey often at a place called Orphan Annie's. They also do a show with half SD and half Gino Vinelli (not sure of that spelling). If anyone is interested, Michael and I will be glad to meet you at one of the shows! It would be fun to get a group together! Of course right now our mind is on seeing SD themselves live...we'll be at the Tweeter Center in Camden August 23rd. Our seats are in the fifth row! Take care all.....the sun has finally come out in PA after more than a month of nearly all rainy days; I feel like I'm coming out of a cave! Just Katy..... and El Supremo, too! User: Jimbo
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| Day: 10 Message: DACW-I'm jealous of you, you you! ;) I don't have a Hastings nearby and I paid 20 bucks for the DVD/CD version at Fye. But, you gave me an idea. Is there a website for it? I'm listening to EMG as I write. Man! I'm floored. This is the most funkiest Steely Dan CD I've ever heard. Reeks of bothe a bit of Aja and The Nightfly. I'm so glad Donald's using that synth-harp again. "Godwhacker" has a lot of funk and I could imagine that song being used for an episode of Sex and the City. As well as Lunch With Gina which I'm hearing now. I can just picture those four girls groovin' I'll let you know later on the official verdict. User: StAl....no time
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| Day: 10 Message: http://www.kmtt.com/ Should I enter? StAl User: jjeff-----both feet still firmly planted, unfortunately.
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| Day: 10 Message: No, I don't have it yet and the hype is killing me. Steveedan: I saw Edgar Winter 20+ years ago in the middle of nowhere and he was well-worn then. I hope he's taken care of himself since then. qwerty: Purgatory's not so bad. I work there every day. You just have to resign yourself to it you know, work with what you have. JayDubz/wormy: CBC aired a 2-night special 2 months ago including party footage of Joni sitting next to mama cass playing guitar, shot on grainy 8mm. Also early CSN&Y at Stills house with her. Would this be the same thing you're talking about? Tones:Nice PG rundown. I was under the impression that he preferred the round so was the venue not capable? Asparagus, man. User: Jaydubz
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| Day: 10 Message: Yummy stuff ~ heading into my third go-through on my office ghetto-blaster, can't wait to hear it in high-fidelity! Early favorites: "Godwhacker"/"Slang of Ages"/"Pixeleen"! Wormy ~ "Woman of Heart & Mind" is awesome, the early Canadian TV footage of Joni is so cool! I'm feelin' a new affinity for "Ladies of the Canyon" ~ Deborah and I just bought the coolest pad up at the top of Lookout Mountain in Laurel Canyon, up the street from Joni & Graham's "Our House" and the old Zappa/Tom Mix compound. It's next door to the house that Robby Krieger & John Densmore lived in during the "Strange Days" period, in fact we have the "Door's door" (sold to the previous owner when they remodelled the Krieger/Densmore house) as our front door and rumor has it that Morrison wrote "People Are Strange" in our backyard! I think it'll be a very creative space. :)~ Dunno' if it's been discussed on the GB, but Showtime's new series "Out Of Order" is great! Very Dan-esque... User: Toby
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| Day: 10 Message: This is a bit strange: http://steelydan.com/leeches/ Love the new one, especially the East Enders (UK soap opera) theme tune buried in Slang. --Toby User: Altamira
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| Day: 10 Message: I saw my name in a post and thought I should stop in for a quick visit. I've been away from the Guest Book for a while, but I was reading it today to see what people were saying about EMG. I'm not sure if I'm going to buy it; I've read the lyrics and they are a little too sentimental for my taste. I still might go to their concert in Manassas because I do like their older music. User: Somebody To Trust
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| Day: 10 Message: lurking- Why don't you, Clas, Lars and Dr. Warren Kruger all get a room together. Godwhacker and Blues Beach sound best in the 5.1 format. Carlock is great! Those back ground vocals/lyrics in Pix are freaking amazing! Audio crack? No doubt. User: DACW
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| Day: 10 Message: SteveE: yeah, it's a shame he displayed Alan Holdsworth-like chops ;-) User: lurking with amazement and awe..
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| Day: 10 Message: What a collective pants pissing.....and all over a CD by a couple old farts. What a completely obsessive group...amazingly anal and eager to memorize every creak and groan coming from SD. These two guys really should acknowlege this site because they will never get more adoration, obsession or devotion from any other group......sheesh. User: SteveeDan
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| Day: 10 Message: I knew I wouldn't be disappointed by the actual CD. Listening to the tracks over the internet (probably 30 times by now) didn't take away from the "first play" experience. I went under headphones and cranked it !!! Doctor Mu - your observations are very accurate. This is a visceral listening experience. I can't wait to hear the DVD-A. That is going to be a "china-blasting" experience. This CD is a creeper ... just like creeper weed ... it just keeps coming on ... then, the next thing you know ... it's a fucking freight train !!! That synth solo in Lunch With Gina (just before the bridge) is great. You can hear the "spaces" in that solo ... just before the flurry of 16th or is it 32nd notes that start to blur together ... Fagen said that he couldn't play piano any more ... yeah right ... he can't play piano any less, I'd say. Would you all please excuse me while I go and listen to EMG ... another 30 times ... thank you. When I come up for air, I'll go get the Pat Metheny CD. There's a guy who also never disapoints. p.s. ... PRETZEL LOGIC AT THE BAKED POTATO - SUNDAY JUNE 22ND 9 PM. User: Moll
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| Day: 10 Message: Bluz, you got it babe.....I'll pick up some Bushnell's for ya too ;) User: DACW - about to go postal
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| Day: 10 Message: Holy Fuck...don't know if I can make it past Lunch with Gina - man, I'm information overloaded - and the damn recording is so crystalline - I can hear it all (I mean all the instruments at once!!! ...I'll be lucky if I'm not in a sanitarium by this time tomorrow...this shit really is AUDIO CRACK... User: DACW
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| Day: 10 Message: the SPACE, the SEX, the acoustic piano, the Rhodes, Fagen's vocals up front, the snappiest melodies since the Nightfly, the BRIDGES!, the bass, the in the pocket guitar solos but twisted and expanded...did I say the SPACE?! It's BACK and BADDER than ever! Unexpected directions - and unpredicatiblity - that's what I like!!!...Wormy...here at work also digging from under a pile of papers...Things I Miss the Most nearly brought tears to my eyes...when Donald and Carolyn blast "the TALK" it's a fusion wall of sound blast - I nearly feel out of easy chair!...very very LIVE sound on TLM - I can hear the echo in the vocals and instruments...man, this thing COOKS!!!! It's a f***ing sonic MOAB...and I'm on an iMAC at 44KHz...wait til I take the DVD-A home @192KHz...wrpa all the china in newspaper!! Adult music for adults...The Nightlfy Effect - about 1982, for some reason, I came under the stupid delusion that rock/pop would actually grow up...by the end of the decade Flashdance stuff, Madonna, rap, and heavy metal were all that was left...and then we were supposed to be satisfied with Nirvana's not bad warmed-over punk with plodding bass...really most "aritists" like Henley, Browne have only given us arrested adolescent muzak...Prefab Sprout and Steely Dan are 2 of the few who have given us the real deal...and man, this is the real deal... [whoa, there's the classic chimes going from right to left, then left to right in the Godwhacker intro] Bottom line - this is a superb set of songs, the vocals are simply their best ever (Walter's suprasses expectations and is PERFECT for the song) - and the blues synth harp is BACK! What's not to like? Lots of little things - check out Carlock at the end of Walter's fab solo on Godwhacker...they're tricksy, they're tricksy... there's the interlude on Greenbook...and the cymbals... Holy Mackeral! I only feel sorry for those who don't get it Howard: I think I hear MU chords on Things I Miss the Most, GreenBook...I'm sure there's more...gee I should concentrate on my work Pixeleen should be the SINGLE Turn it up LOUD - nothing's saturated!!! User: wormy
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| Day: 10 Message: wormy - is there a new Patricia Barber?!? Tell me ... . User: East Coast Fan
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| Day: 10 Message: Bill..miss ya man everyone welcome.. party at the pad the afternoon of the show..September 26th..molly bring the makers mark" User: wormy
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| Day: 10 Message: randy - sounds like your persistence paid off local tower - no promo poster (huge promo rack for zep blitzkriege) also new - DVD Joni Mitchell - woman of heart and mind - a life story local indie had the new Metheny (hadn't read your post yet StevieD, just picked it up on instinct, it gravitated to me) and new Patricia Barber wormtom User: YGK
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| Day: 10 Message: Well, the deed is done - a few copies of Everything Must Go! LONG LIVE THE DAN!!!!! thanx guys - this is too awesome....... ygk User: Randy
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| Day: 10 Message: No you dolts; not really. You fell right into that one didn't you? So I head to the "New Arrivals" display which contains a promotional poster for Steely Dan's 'Everything Must Go,' and there among the other undistinguished discs are... EMPTY SPACES. Sure, there are ample copies of the standard CD, but NOT A SINGLE COPY OF THE SPECIAL EDITION WITH THE BONUS DVD OF 'STEELY DAN: CONFESSIONS.' Needless to say I accosted multiple employees, NONE of whom even knew of any purported "special edition" (let alone anything else)... With a 1 p.m. appointment this was going to be tight if I was going to still have time to get home for at least a perfunctory listen on the home stereo downstairs in my rehearsal studio, once I'd managed to land a copy of the fucking disc, that is. Quick thinking led me across the parking lot of said last mall to a less patronized and pointedly anonymous commercial CD shop (name irrelevant), the employees of which had no awareness of any new Steely Dan recording (!); a quick flip through the "S" section just before "Rod Stewart" and "Stephen Stills" finds us with a pristine copy of the special edition in your humble narrator's hands. Out to the car (yes, we did pay, but do you need such petty details?) and into the CD player goes our CD, and we're back on Route 23 (North this time), and "Godwhacker" is even more brilliant than via the net, "Lunch with Gina" supreme, "Green Book" dark and hip... Though I'd heard it all weeks before, it was still cool to head out on the day of release and pick it up. Reviewing the CD booklet, one sees that the background clock and watch graphics on the lyric pages correlate to the track numbers, i.e. track 5 ("Slang of Ages") has a clock which reads 5 a.m./p.m., etc. Even the graphics are intelligently done. Once home, the sound is staggering, as per usual; great bass, great stereo imaging, nice spatial separation... but enough already. Another stellar album and the only thing I've been able to muster any enthusiasm for so far this year- Randy User: Janice Gelb
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| Day: 10 Message: My brother is a *huge* Steely Dan fan and for his birthday I'd like to get him some of the album posters he's missing. Does anyone know of a good source (besides Ebay) for them? He's looking for the posters for "Royal Scam," "Countdown to Ecstasy," and "Can't Buy a Thrill." Thanks for any tips! -- Janice User: DACW
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| Day: 10 Message: ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: The Hastings Music Chain has EMG DVD-A for $12.99 and the CD-DVD enhanced for $11.99 available now! No waiting. No shipping or handling. Just picked both of mine off....will be listening sometime today...picking up tile flooring, parents...government forms, refinancing...the cool part of the summer in Arkansas is over...the hot, nasty air like a moldy towel weather in Texas begins! ...we gotta have some music on the Whew Frontier! ONE ALIEN NATION UNDER A GROOVE User: DACW
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| Day: 10 Message: ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: The Hastings Music Chain has EMG DVD-A for $12.99 and the CD-DVD enhanced for $11.99 available now! No waiting. No shipping or handling. Just picked both of mine off....will be listening sometime today...picking up tile flooring, parents...govenment forms, refinancing...the cool part of the summer in Arkansaas is over...the hot, nasty air like a moldy towel weather in Texas begins! ...we gottat have some music on the Whew Frontier! ONE ALIEN NATION UNDER A GROOVE User: Jimbo
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| Day: 10 Message: I'm at work, but come 12 noon lunchtime, I'm gone to Fye to pick up the USA TOday gave EMG 3 out of 4 stars. Luther got 3 and a half stars. I'll be back with my review. User: IHPF
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| Day: 10 Message: Bill- You sound normal again! User: Bill
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| Day: 10 Message: I arrived at Tower Records at 9 o'clock sharp to pick up both CD/DVD I skipped track one as I had heard it before and headed straight to THIS is the Steely Dan that I know and love. The edge, the punch, and Hat's off to Donald Fagen, Walter Becker, and the entire crew of musicians Bill User: cara mia
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| Day: 10 Message: Happy EMG Day, everyone! Still an aural virgin for the songs and so looking forward to hearing them en toto... Will also get Luther Vandross' new release. I hope it is not his last. Marsha in Tennessee User: Steven in CT
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| Day: 10 Message: The day has finally arrived! I love the new album. It is a classic. Some seemingly lightweight tunes that actually pack a punch and some seemingly less accessible tunes that quickly grow on you and reveal themselves to be clever and tasty. I have wanted SD to 'go back' to guitar-driven tunes for a while, but there are enough jazzy/bluesy licks, fuzzed out riffs and chunks of virtuosity for me here. Open your ears and open your minds. The SD sound continues to grow and develop. No, they aren't going back to their old school, they are building a new school. Lead on, boys. User: jjeff
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| Day: 10 Message: Don't have time to review all posts so hope this is not a repeat... Part of a Canadian press interview ( I think) I heard on the radio. Q: What's the best part about being in Steely Dan. Q; If there was a chance to do anything else what would you do? User:
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| Day: 10 Message: allmusic.com review of EMG - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=5:41:10|AM&sql=Aoojweaw64xk7 not bad, but a bit tight with the stars (3 outta 5)... User: Beerberian
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| Day: 10 Message: Stevee; Yep to Pats "Quiet Night" specially made guitar I understand - love the cover of Norah's track - And Ferry cross the Mersey is indeed a new journey User: Jim#
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| Day: 10 Message: There's something really special about sitting in the local watering hole quaffing an after work libation, and having your local CD merchant call you to say "Your New One is here!" I'd say the waiting has been suddenly made tolerable. 'Cause this one is just lip smackin' good. Thanks, fellas. User: steviedan
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| Day: 10 Message: the "steviedan-album-of-the-week"(TM) is... ??? week, month, year, coupla years... you know... btw, i just love reading these criticisms of steely dan... but lars, you are at least right about mike stern... happy birthday ole ! mine's the 12th. helluva gift we get this year... along with led zep & standing in the shadows of motown dvds, and no one's even mentioned the lovely new pat metheny. solo baritone guitar ! sorry pat, bad time for a parallel release around here... just got back from the beach and came in for further wading... whoa ! User: Beerberian figuring
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| Day: 10 Message: Stevee; Man of you stature deserves no less than an escort LOL I've been goin nuts tryin to place the funky rythmn guitar hook on Lunch with Gina AND now I think I may have traced exactly what memory it's triggering in my tired and abused synapses Anybody heard "Love Rollercoaster" - Ohio Players ? or Maybe "Fire" I'm sure there's a root similarity... or maybe I'm just talkin' B*******.... :) User: C
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| Day: 10 Message: Stevee - "There's a lack of strong, catchy melodies on this new one." That's what I said. User: SteveeDan - beats the rap ...
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| Day: 10 Message: I'm back from Tower Records ... everybody in line was waiting for the new Radiohead CD ... I got a police escort on the way home. No kidding. Clas - every one of these songs has a melody ... otherwize, what is there to copywrite? The thing that I noticed after Aja came out so long ago was that Donald and Walter had raised the bar on us hobbiests who wanted to play their songs. In order to bring the spirit of these songs to life on your own instrument you have to be able to figure out which elements need to be included. EMG is no exception ... the songs are actually a little simpler (not counting some of those complex substitution chords !), they've just employed their brand of slick a little more slickly. Slickly? ... Whatever. I'm gonna learn them all ... Gershwin can wait ... User: Dragon
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| Day: 9 Message: Melody, you there? Haven't heard from you in a long time. I don't miss the sax. User: C @ W
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and Use BOLD, large letters, and colors!!!
psssstt, here's the plan: RELEASE PIXELEEN as the NEXT RADIO SINGLE from
STEELY DAN'S EVERYTHING MUST GO. The Last Mall and Blues Beach are neat
recordings, but every single one of the rest of the recordings on EVERYTHING MUST GO is CLASSIC...
PIXELEEN has a MONSTER hook in the chorus!!
CONTEMPORARY - AC is the best fit
DID I mention you should RELEASE and PROMOTE PIXELEEN as the next SINGLE...
BTW, Everything Must Go is 10 times better than the Grammy-winning Tow
Against Nature!
To sum up, and with SPIRIT:
RELEASE PIXELEEN as the NEXT SINGLE from Steely Dan's brilliant EVERYTHING
MUST GO!!
Thank you,
Ken (I can't get) Lay(ed)
and Use BOLD, large letters, and colors!!!
psssstt, here's the plan: RELEASE PIXELEEN as the NEXT RADIO SINGLE from
STEELY DAN'S EVERYTHING MUST GO. The Last Mall and Blues Beach are neat
recordings, but every single one of the rest of the recordings on EVERYTHING MUST GO is CLASSIC...
PIXELEEN has a MONSTER hook in the chorus!!
CONTEMPORARY - AC is the best fit
DID I mention you should RELEASE and PROMOTE PIXELEEN as the next SINGLE...
BTW, Everything Must Go is 10 times better than the Grammy-winning Tow
Against Nature!
To sum up, and with SPIRIT:
RELEASE PIXELEEN as the NEXT SINGLE from Steely Dan's brilliant EVERYTHING
MUST GO!!
Thank you,
Ken (I can't get) Lay(ed)
8. The Last Mall
7. Green Book
6. Pixieline
5. Blues Beach
4. Slang of Ages
3. Lunch With Gina
2. Godwhacker
1. Everything Must Go
I'm here typing some boring forms 'cause my brain is fried after a roller coaster of a week...W's replacement as gov'nor cut a small protion of the state budget at the last minute...and most of it was in Higher Education and Research...no attempt to go after waste or pork barrle projects...asshole... I guess I speak for many when I say I wish W were still Governor of Texas...and I had just finished a grant application which has been morphed into plan B then plan C during the week...plus the never-ending house financing thing......
ange - lol! do ya believe it?
But, there are times when you want to say, "uncork that bottle and let the jeanie out"!! especially on the guitar parts. Smart guitar is good guitar.
speed.
8: Blues Beach
7: Lunch with Gina
6: Green Book
5: Pixeleen
4: EMG
3: Last Mall
2: Godwhacker
1: Things I miss...
Is anyone going to collate all this and come up with a poll?
Worst to Best. (Can I just put the back 6 in the number 3 slot?) :-)
8 Blues Beach
7 Slang of Ages
6 Everything Must Go
5 Green Book
4 Things I Miss The Most
3 Lunch With Gina
2 Pixeleen
1 Godwacker
Hmmmm... we should do this again in 6 months and see if our lists change...
8. Slang of Ages
7. Green Book
6. Godwacker
5. Blues Beach
4. Last Mall
3. Lunch With Gina
2. Things I Miss The Most
1. Everything Must Go
Onkyo DV-SP800
High end Universal DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-Audio - right now, just under $1000, but I think these or similar can be had with some searching for significantly less...
8. GreenBook
7. Slang of Ages
6. Blues Beach
5. Godwhacker
4. Pixeleen
3.Things I Miss the Most,
2. Lunch With Gina
1. Everything Must Go - in fact, it's playing right now. I just can't love this song anymore than I do... one of the all-timers...
Aja
Thank you boys ...
8. Things I Miss The Most
7. Everything Must Go
6. Lunch With Gina
5. Pixeleen
4. Slang Of Ages
3. The Last Mall
2. Green Book
1. Godwhacker
I'm probably preaching to the choir here: but
Thus Danfans, unshackle thyselves from Pre-conceived notions and party-on like it was 1999 again to this Plush jazz special recording...I'll provide a blow- by blow take on the songs themselves later - all great stuff, but that Greenbook, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina run are about as good as it gets in pop music...on 99.99999% of the albums out there the penultimate title track would outshine there rest - but there are so many birght starts in this Dan galaxy...If TvN deserved four Grammys, and it did, then this one deserves 40.
8. Blues Beach
7. Slang of Ages
6. Things I Miss the Most
5. Everything Must Go
4. Godwhacker
3. Lunch With Gina
2. Pixeleen
1. Green Book
- Walter Becker
What's the EMG Wiggiest Top 9? Rate in your order.......
8. The Last Mall
7. Everything Must Go
6. TIMTM
5. Green Book
4. Pixeleen
3. Lunch with Gina
2. Slang of Ages
amd the Wiggiest Cut on Everything Must Go is.........
Hey, has anyone noticed that the modulation key change in Green Book is to a Tri-tone?
Tri-tone being the musical interval with the MOST Tension......
angel - i think it's somewhere, uh, something else that starts to "throb" and i don't think it's a headache ;-0
sh
(that cracks me up)
Throb - In Pixeleen her pager starts to throb. Not vibrate, as one would expect, but throb. Like a headache, or something else....?
Girlie Magazine - First time I remember them mentioning this. Still think it might be that nod to Mr. Heff.
You know, it's just one of those things I need to know.
The caffeine freak stares
The good cover band
The self-involved brat
These are the things she dug the most
Yep, had to stroll down memory lane and looked for some on Wendy & Lisa on the net. A while back Doc Mu, oops, DACW wrote some about their collaboration with mr. Finn, a musician from Down Under, Australia or New Zealand ... and i definately (hi Hutch) think it's Are You My Baby's intro which does strike a resemblance (or the other way around) with LWG ...
ok, off to give Chris Potter's Gratitude another spin ... been a long time.
G.
Het is erg moeilijk en bovendien gewaagd om onbevooroordeeld een wereld binnen te stappen en, zoals jij deed en doet, vanuit een bepaalde houding. Ik "ben" hier af en aan sinds een paar jaar en heb het tweedimensionale van dit medium in driedimensionale menselijkheid kunnen omzetten en vrienden gemaakt, zoals in postpakketjes die over en weer gaan, tips inzake muziek en meer wat dies zij. Ook leer je hier, juist door het contact met mensen die aan de andere kant van de oceaan leven ... natuurlijk zijn er soms pittige discussies of ordinaire scheldpartijen waarbij je je afvraagt of het gezond verstand nog aanwezig is, maar een zekere courtesy is nooit weg. Je hoeft je er niets van aan te trekken wat ik nu schrijf, maar wil je je schrijven en aanwezigheid hier niet bij voorbaat al "verpesten", dan kan het geen kwaad enige nuance in benadering te betrachten, want het zijn over het algemeen gewoon aardige mensen met een open mind en het kost meer tijd dan een paar dagen om de identiteit van de Banyan Trees en Sign In Stranger te begrijpen of te waarderen ...
Confrontaties zoeken vanuit een bepaalde vijandigheid leiden er alleen maar toe dat ze je hier niet meer welkom heten, wat jou op een gegeven moment wellicht worst zal wezen, maar je hebt dit forum toch om bepaalde redenen gevonden dan wel opgezocht, toch? Be wise, be smart ... enter life and forums with an open friendly heart :-)
Keeping it real,
E
If so they are most definetly a Steely Dan tribute band. A group of fine musicians who occasionally get together for a few gigs each year and play mostly at The Basement at Circular Quay and sometimes up at Byron Bay.
Believe me , these guys are good and its a pity you missed them assuming it was the same band I am refering to.
When I have seen these guys play they can have upto 17 people on stage including 2 drummers.
If you ever get the opportunity to see them again I'd drop whatever your doing and go and see them peform, you won't be disapointed.
Research suggests the best answer might be: "Good."
Recent Research (I asked a few mates) shows that it is good for postees to be "bored" - because then they have to start using their own imaginations.
The reality is that postees never stay 'bored' for long - Given a safe environment, even simple props and a bit of time, most postees quite naturally figure out something to playà STEELY DAN man !!
There's a lot of imagination and creativity there if we let it come out.
By not rushing to keep them busy, we help them learn to be active, creative individuals.
Ultimately, postees who are continuously organised into activity may find it more difficult as an adult to organise and manage their time effectively.
Being 'bored' pushes postees to think on their own and is therefore a key to helping them develop resourcefulness and initiative.
So - Worry less - and just let the Music play.
Caught there only UK show in 92 ?
spent a good 20mins on a site of theres yesterday
rather freightening to me.
Almost every major entertainment outlet for the masses caters to the
basest of human instincts. When I was a kid we used to sit around and
watch the Walt Disney hour on sunday nights. It was a great time.
Nowadays the greatest "family" entertainment these geniuses in Hollywood
can think of is WWF. Ever watch WWF? It's really great entertainment
isn't it? It the kind of stuff that is gauranteed to turn your child into
a better person in the end I'm sure...
Manson and Mettalica. Nor do they have a place with Christina Aguilera
or Britney Spears. Maybe Steely Dan has no place anymore.
Maybe dignity has no place anymore. Maybe style has no place anymore.
Maybe excellence has no place anymore. Maybe they don't, but i'd like
to thank Walter Becker and Donald Fagen for reminding me of a time when
they did.
EMG before I put my 2 cents in. First things first shoutouts to St Al, Craig aka LaPage, Razor, angel,fezo, etc. and to all of the newcomers.
Alright, Down to business.... The last Mall. D& W always make you smile with their dark under tones. This song reminds me of a story i read by Stephen King, called You know they got a hell of a band. 2 lost travelers stumble on a town full of dead rock n roll stars. The things I miss the most. seems to pickup on our boy Kid Clean years later when his next stop is the last mall.Could also be an aging belly up star. Blues beach. Another knock at the aging hipster, tring to hangout with the young folks.
Hes got the blues because he's too old and out of place. Godwhacker. This song is so tight. I've got 2 spins on this one. Sometimes when stars make it big, they forget where they came from, forget all the little people.
I always joke with my friends about new artists, that blowup, then they fall off. we as the fans are the godwhackers, because if You dont remain
consistant in your craft. You better step back son, give the man some Whackin space. 2) I looked at the way they spelled Poppie. In spanish its spelled, Papi, meaning daddy. Poppie isnt that an old school drug? here comes the drug song analogy. Slinky redfoot, and the angel girls might be his friends doing an intervention. whacking that almighty God. Addiction.
That Clavinet solo followed by the guitar, reminds me of Home at last.
Slang of ages. I must admit I sort of cringe when I think of Walt on lead vocals. I wanna hide when I hear Book of liars. However theres a place for walt as a spoken word poet. Also he is a helluva Bass player.I have often times heard D& W talk about their jazz influences. I bet sometime they wish they could go back in time a groove with all of their idols. Green Book. Damn Don's voice sounds as good as ever. This is one of those songs
that showcases the smooth structure of Fagen and Becker. Try driving on a warm summer night with this disk playing. This is what good music is all about. In a world of American Idols, pop sensations, and sampling, its good to see 2 old pros doing it the old fashioned way. Pixieleen. Older guy
caught up in a silly teenage world. But damn, dont those old dudes go thru
a lot of unnecessary foolishness dealing with these over developed young girls. Everything has its price. Once again Walts bassline is off the hook.
Lunch with Gina. N0BODY tells a story in a song like Steely Dan! I peel out like the flash! LMAO. This stalking woman is so persistant, in the end
he seems to say forget it I might as well just accept her. Sadly enough its almost like battered womens syndrome. Cant you see Don running from another one of his Negative girls. It started on the day I met her! Anyone who ever met someone through a dating service is feeling his pain Lmao.
The waiter never comes, maybe later maybe never, Stalker Hell people.
Everything Must Go. In light of the folding of all of the Large Corporations, as of late, I love the way that they remain arrogant till the end. Becker and Fagen love to poke fun at these holier than thou types.
You know that those high powered clowns, left with all types of perks and golden parachutes. I think Red Blazer from Janie Runaway was in the service
elevator with an unnamed secretary and Dave from aquisitions. Service was apt word in that elevator. Becker and Fagen are the sultans of Sarcasm.
CHI.
Gina-Did you mention Wendy & Lisa?
I love WENDY & LISA!!!!!!
And that guy they used to work for,even though he can be annoying at times LOL
2 weeks of almost total immersion in the new Steely Dan album and I am now able to listen to all cuts. That has not always been the case, since I had burned out on The Last Mall and Blues Beach. I can listen to the album as a whole and review it, as such. First off, this album is seriously groove driven. Lots a great sounds and most of them make you want to get up and dance. Probably a first in the Steely Dan catalog. Donald did something like that in Kamakiriad, but these tunes seem much more accessible and fun. Yes, the lyrics are dark (as I like), and tough to crack easily (another thing I like), so it has been a joy to listen to them. I like the live feel of the album and I love the fact that it sounds better then 2VN in that regard. I wish it had more tracks and was longer, but I somehow don't think that will ever happen again on a Steely Dan album.
The Last Mall: Has a serious bass line that hints at Booker T and the MG's hit "Green Onions". I happen to love that song, so that was the first thing that attracted me, after Walter's guitar playing
on the cut. I love the sound of Donald's voice on this record and the first time I heard it, that just blew me away. I love how he says "Roll the Cart back up the aisle", the 2nd time. Beautiful imagery of the final day on earth. Reminds me so much of "King of the World" in subject matter. Probably my least favorite cut, but that's not saying much, because I do like it.
Things I Miss The Most: The Sex. Oh, is there more to the song then that? :-)
Sad song, that draws you in, similar to Donald's "On the Dunes", which happens to be a favorite of mine.
I like the bridge, though that is the toughest part to figure out, lyrically. I also like the guitar work on this song.
The ending reminds me of the end to "Almost Gothic", which is another of my favorite songs. May have some 9/11 overtones in it, since this CD was being worked on, when the Twin Towers went down.
Blues Beach: Another sad song, cloaked in a very up beat melody. Some of the best harmonies, I have heard on Steely Dan songs. Reminds me of The Beach Boys sound. I like the keyboard work and the background vocals that end the song.
Godwacker: Probably my absolute favorite on the album, though that changes day by day. What a groove on this cut, serious dancing music. Going after God (or something). Love the guitar work and synth going back and forth. Nod to the Doobie Brothers "Long Train Running" at the top of the solo section.
Slang of Ages: The hardest one for me to get into. I like Walter and I like his gravely voice, but it is very different from Donald and I needed time to work up to it. It actually reminds me a bit of his take on "Monkey in Your Soul" from the 2000 tour. The horns especially. They work well with his voice and delivery. He talks through most
of it in sort of a bluesy rap except when he is harmonizing with the background singers. I like how that sounds especially.
Green Book: Great song. Very hard to break the lyrics of this one. So far I see several possible scenarios,but no definitive one. Though I do feel there are nods to the Guest Books and fan references in there.
The beat on this one is very dark, which actually lightens the lyrics a little bit. I was listening to this one while watching the movie Chicago and they matched very well. Favorite part is the "I'm so in love with
this dirty city" line. That sounds so sincere, coming from Donald's lips. All I can think of is NYC. I like how it ends.
Pixeleen: My favorite song. Oh, did I say that about Godwacker? I told you my favorite changes at a whim.
Before the lyrics got to my hands I called this one the mumble song, because of the difficulty catching what the background singer is saying under the Pixeleen chorus. With the addition of the words, things get a bit, not much, but a bit clearer. I feel a definite Walter Becker/Sayan Becker connection here. Though they took it to a less specific and more general level. Favorite parts are the "Flash back to cool summer nights" part where Donald and Carolyn trade lines. Really outstanding work on both their parts, which I really would like to see
them do on tour. Love the ending done by Charlap. As Donald and Walter said, the song just fell apart, in a nice way. I agree.
Lunch With Gina: Wonderful beat and a great song. I can't help but feel some definite GB references, but again, brought to another level. Stalking definitely seems part of the theme of the song, though who is doing what or not, is not clear. I love the synth solo by Donald. Sounds the most like the Carlton solo from Kid Charlemagne, then anything else that has followed Royal Scam. Love the line about the Waiter Never Comes.
Everything Must Go: First time I heard this song, I laughed out loud at the incredible opening from John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme", which seems to signify the end of something. Then that wonderful Sax solo by Walt Weiskopf. Love the harmonies on the bridge and the simple melody on the lyrics, with a slight nod to "My Name Is" by Eminem, that bring to an end, an incredible album.
Next....
Got to
Face the Fece...
barum barum barum barum....
You must have heard the cautionary tale...
It was too much to hold.
Hi Face!
Never earned a good buck on music ever, which is great because now I can do whatever I want. It's really not too bad a category to be in. I've never done a cover of a tune I didn't like. Plus I can have my own amateur opinion...
Standing up straight & full of lead.
Gerry Rafferty's new single ''Keep It to Yourself'' & ''Just Because'' by Janes Addiction
SD
SteveeDan (from the Left Coast PRETZEL LOGIC)
...or would smoke just start coming out of my ears???
Any Richmond 2000 Danfesters going?
I didn't say the new album was boring, and Becker is not bad. His lyrics are great, his ideas are great, his jokes are great, it's just that he's the guy who won't put down the guitar when the others are taking a break.
That they used Carlton too much already?
Or some of those solos were WB's?
Anyway, screw Carlton, they could've given the solos to Herington, McCracken
Graydon, Ritenour, etc..., but why every solo to WB?
And why does he play bass on every cut when they could've gotten a serious groover like Chuck Rainey, or Abe Laboriel, or Marcus Miller or hell, even that white boy, Will Lee?
I didn't mind slumming on "Josie" or one or two other cuts WB played on, but the whole CD?
Did you hear that bauble of beeps and boops on "Jack of Speed"?
I'll admit he came off pretty well on "Plush", but did you see those lumbering fingers slap down on "Bad Sneakers"?
I wanted to run in and give them artificial restoration.
I haven't even heard EMG yet, but just the idea of him taking over bass and lead duties was enough to get me incarcerated again!
W1P- Yeah man, I did that legalese! Give me a chance to pick up the deludin trade on my cell block and the fat one is in the mail!
In the song "Things I Miss the Most" What is Donald singing:
B) The house on the Gulf coast
Leave it to Don and Walt to throw their fans a bone to gnaw which does more to stir up a snarling contest than pacify.
Thanks for the happy b-day babes, fuck im closer to 40 than i think eh.
"The results, says series producer Alex Gibney, are improvisations riffing off a central theme".
(whose fave EMG song right now is "Pixeleen," though that might change at any minute...)
for the 2vN tour. I'm looking forward to what they say is a slightly better venue acoustically. although, they did wonders with the Tampa Ice Palace (read, Big ass Hockey Shed) Last time around.
Standouts for me so far...Godwhacker,,Slang of Ages( great Job Walt),Green Book,Lunch with Gina and the title Cut. Don's voice, the backups, the playing, the '54 strat...no, wait.LOL. Really it's all just great.
Big Hellos to everyone.
I had a chance to catch (pianist) Bill Charlap over the weekend; he was playing solo piano at a festival I attended. He played beautifully and I spoke with him briefly before zipping off through the rain to the other side of the festival to catch the Bucky Pizzarelli Quartet; he was succinct when I asked him how the session(s) came off for "Godwhacker" and "Pixeleen": "great session; piece of cake." Pizzarelli was also a treat, playing some great smooth lines as well as bopping up a storm.
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If your lucky you might get a test from LP.
god knows i need to take one also.
Much enjoyed catching up at the weekend, laptop / sunshine / beer / EMG.
Clas: you need to get out more.
Can't remember who said ''nobody likes anyone here''
I don't dislike anyone is that the same?
Duncan
New York Daily News
Don't imagine that the members of Steely Dan slapped each other high fives after winning 2000's Album of the Year Grammy for their last work, "Two Against Nature."
"It was nice and all," says the band's co-leader Donald Fagen, "but it's hard to find any standard by which you judge music that's current. It's hard to even know what qualifies as music these days. My problem is I don't trust the people who are supposed to be my peers."
These re-occurring senses of the ear making the brain search for "where did i hear this before", what's the point of it i wonder, besides a trip into nostalgia for some and for others to be appalled or even tickled if eminem gets in the picture, i dunno :-)
To reach is one thing, to fetch an inch too far's another LOL
Enjoy listening only ........?
G.
Had to chuckle at:
But it's pretty damn close
read the notions in both yellow and blue about these lyrics ... to me a main frame is communication between "Walter" and this girl, or his thoughts and impressions in a monologue, like thinking out loud .. he's telling the story and questioning as well as filling in the blanks .. describing events happening, she's showing him a new world in a way but the funny thing is he did tune into her world by describing in the same kinda vague way that makes you feel the illusive nature of it all ...
voor een compleet "gevoel" (voor zover er ooit iets compleets is in dit soort dingen) kun je daar ook eens kijken wellicht?
What's your take on Todd Rundgren's "With a Twist", Bosa Nova versions of his earlier songs ... i sense humor and self-mockery ...
G.
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Ducky and I have just posted a soundboard copy of The Steely Damned doing The Last Mall. It was a last minute lark of a thing that I never thought in a million years i'd ever actually upload (despite anything I may have said at the time).
By MICHAEL D. CLARK
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle
Everything Must Go
Steely Dan
Reprise
ò The Last Mall
ò Things I Miss the Most
ò Slang of Ages
The dumbed-down mass production of popular music since Steely Dan's 1981 dissolution made its 2000 return with Two Against Nature a celebrated event. [Is that hy you Mr. Clark gave TvN a C+ because it 'sounded like Aja"?] Donald Fagen and Walter Becker were received with critical acclaim, Grammys and inductions into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.
.An energetic brass quartet is engaged with a consumerism satire that doesn't require a literary degree to decode.
Associated Press
Three years after their Grammy-winning Two Against Nature, Walter Becker, left, and Donald Fagen are back with the simpler but still inventive Everything Must Go
I resorted to what one friend of mine described as "terrorist activity" to get this message across and what did I get for it?
"They" turned me in to the man.
Who was it?
It could've been any of 'em, including DF and WB themselves.
All I know is the door was broken down, the "pigs" came in, and the next thing I knew I was back in this prison/asylum again.
I asked W1P for legal representation and he looked at me like I was from the dark side of the moon.
I asked Ole to bail me out and she just chanted some of her New Age, Wiccan incantations and laughed at me.
I asked Steveedan for some help but he was too busy transcribing the new one to even listen.
Even Doctor Warren Kruger was too freakin' high on deludin to bother with his ex-patient/prisoner.
Sure, I know I'm not perfect. I know I've got some "issues" to deal with.
But now that I know you're on my side, I'm sure we can whip these turncoats into submission.
Now I'll Email you the directions to the prison/asylum and you can blow me out of here!
PS. Kamakiriad sucked too.
Jaz, thanks for mail. I miss you bud.
Wild Bill, I miss you as well.
SteveeDan - from the Left Coast
StevEEDan
I offered an opinion about a record - not on your pathetic little excuse for a personality.
Speaking of reviews, the local newspaper has reviewed EMG, and I'd love to post a link, but there is none -- perhaps a wise move on their part.
Great lyrics, great tune, lousily played. Where are the days when Becker 'didn't wanna spoil the track with his playing'? From the very first second his uninspired fills annoy me no end. Really sounds to me as if someone's just jamming along to a song that's being played on the radio. Also, his sound is a bit spineless: like a bluesy Mark Knopfler, it sounds as if he's terrified to put too much distortion in his sound. Donald's singing is great, and the older he gets, the more he becomes the white version of Ray Charles.
Again great lyrics, but the track is a bit boring. The harmonies don't sound very inspred to me. Sounds as if they put content over shape on this one.
Hate to shock y'all: One of my favourites!
Might have to something to do with the fact that I'm recently unemployed, young, and have been playing the sixties song 'Stoned Soul Picnic' quite often lately. But apart from that, I think this tune's on a par with 'Peg' and 'New Frontier' in freshness and it's got that smooth, sunny quality that I first started liking the Dan for. At the end, I hear echoes of 'Hey Nineteen'.
I get the feeling that Donald, prior to the recording of this album, discovered the pitch wheel. I never realised he was actually a real good keyboard player until I saw the 2VN video, and now I can finally hear it. The good part of the fact that the Dan has become its own band is Donald the keyboard player - and the bad part is Walter the guitar player. He sounds the same way he dresses himself: boring, not very profiled, and very careful not to shock anybody. The reverse is true of his songwriting; his lyrical output continues to be inspired, shocking, and funny. Also, I must admit, he's got a good feel for grooves, and he continues to be a functional bass player. But what has given him the illusion that it's alright to do all the solo fills? Luckily, this track is good enough in itself and can't easily be ruined by an individual player.
Contrary to popular belief, I think this track is about music and the rehashing and looting of old musical ideas and sounds in modern pop music. Not about drugs or women as much as about sampling and covering. I might be completely wrong.
Contrary to popular opinion, I don't think this tune's a good vehicle for Becker's voice; it's an OK voice, but I like it better in bluesy stuff like Book Of Liars.
Contrary to popular taste, musically I don't think the song is very interesting.
A track from the old Steely Dan book. This coulda been on Royal Scam. Love the track, love the neon. That mr. Ted Baker on piano is amazing. The chords, the structure, the harmonies and the vocal inflections are all classic Dan.
One of those songs that get better the more you hear 'em. First, you think, what a strange mixed bag of melodies. Like you thought when you first heard Bad Sneakers. Doesn't really make sense at first. Then, upon hearing it a coupla times more, you feel some connection with the song, and it invokes emotions. The lyrics in this one are top shelf. No mistaking what this is about; how today's or tomorrow's technology blurs the boundaries between reality and perfect illusion.
Lunch With Gina
Cool song, good lyrics, I wonder why people think it's about a stalker. To me it just sounds like a would-be friend that the protagonist finds it hard to say no to. A kind of spineless guy, who realizes at the end that perhaps he does have an interest in her after all.
Again a much more appealing and gratifying role here for Don than for Walt. Amazing solo.
The heart of 21st century Dan. Beautiful, mature, laid-back and self-assured, emotional yet cynical. The intro is fabulous and does make you wish there was a bit more experimentation on the album.
"Even the slightly unusual chord changed are fairly easy to pick up ..."
Insomni-Dan
SteveeDan
Shecky Dan
Hey Pink ... can you come down to the Baked Potato tomorrow night?
SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8:30 PM.
SteveeDan
I'm back to being incarcerated again, thanks to someone here.
I obviously didn't hurt anyone here, so why the heck turn me in?
Well since I've got a lot of time on my hands...a drummer I recently worked with said he had a loft in NYC where D&W would jam in at the time they were in Jay & the Americanos (about 1971).
He said he liked DF's playing cause it reminded him of Zappa.
He also said WB wound up getting a job in a bookstore after they left JATA.
Apparently the place the drummer's band was recording in was a front for a coke dealing operation.
Then he said a lot of stuff about the band Orleans and the Nathanson twins and I got bored and started puking.
Anyway, next thing I knew I was back in here, and would appreciate if someone would buy me a copy of the new one (on DVD, of course) and send me a DVD player and surround-sound set so I can review it for the prison/asylum's rag.
Thanx in advance.
Where?
Which song?
...What's my name?
The good news. I was on the clock and thus, got paid for the experience, during my Am. Bandstand days.
How can you loose your song
When you've sung it so long
How can you forget your dance
When that dance is all you've ever had
It must be true
You can't separate the two
It's impossible to do
One thing that life can't do
It can't take your song from you.
please don't mention my name.
(title unknown)
bluz
Have a good weekend.
Dano.
"The waiter never cums".
We shall meet again. hehe
EMG in at 21 in UK charts, just tracking down the numbers now.
terzo mondo
egg cream
do it agin
kid c
deacon b
CAVES!!!!!!!!!!
fm
Yea, It's Who You Think It Is,
DF
Proud to say that I have not been the mastet of my EMG domain yet...11 days and counting...
Listening Out Loud,
Reviewer: philip d dangelo (see more about me) from Morganton, NC United States
When Todd Rundgren was in a state of flux, he and his record company thought about a doubble LIVE album set to cement his commercial appeal. This was hoped to happen along the lines of Peter Frampton's and others live hits. At this time, Todd had already broken up the old six piece Utopia and toured with the pared down 4 piece pop group to mixed results. He then spent time alone in the studio and recorded the gem THE HERMIT OF MINK HOLLOW. On the heals of this fine record came the legendary live concerts from which BACK TO THE BARS, the two album live set was culled from. Unfortunatly BACK TO THE BARS was a disapointment, sound quality was only fair and the problem was not the songs that were on it but the performances that were left out! The live performances featured many of the great songs from Todd's current album HERMIT OF MINK HOLLOW but the live album had none of these. These songs are now included on this fine disk, great hits like CAN WE STILL BE FRIENDS, BREAD, DETERMINATION, YOU CRIED WOLF are offset by old favorites HELLO IT'S ME, LOVE IS THE ANSWER, JUST ONE VICTORY and the unrecorded gem , written by pianist Moggy Klingman LADY FACE! I would highly recomend this disk as well as the set from BOTTOM LINE in NY that is also available as an import. These two CDs show what those concerts were truly like, Todd was playing his greatest songs with the guys he actually hung around with while he wrote them, the Hello People, ex-Utopian Moogy Klingman on piano as well as the current Utopia set up of Willie Wilcox on drums, Kasim Sultan on bass and Roger Powell on keyboards and synthesisers. The only thing this CD does not convey is the beautiful ballerina who danced to CAN WE STILL BE FRIENDS, anyone who saw and heard these wonderful concerts would know what I mean!! The only reason I gave this four intead of five stars is the sound quality is good but could have been better.
by RenT Bosman
11/20/2001
Volume 8 in Nippon Crown's Todd Archive series is called "Another Side of Roxy", containing selections from 10 Roxy performances in August, 1978. The cd encloses 15 tracks released first in between 1972 and 1978, Todd's most creative and most productive period in writing, recording and performing music. Allthough I don't know what the Roxy is like, the sound recordings breath the atmosphere of a late evening concert with a small audience in an intimate place. This may have to do with the audience mixed way in the back, but it's certainly due to the choice of the song material, consisting of short, mostly mellow songs like "It wouldn't have made any difference", the medley "I'm So Proud--La La Means I Love You--I Saw The Light" and "The verb to love". Still Another side of Roxy wouldn't have any surplus value for the collectionist if it contained only these evergreens, which are present on almost any of Todd's live albums. The only reason for buying the cd is it contains some rarely brought out live tracks from the 1978 album Hermit of Mink Hollow like "Determination", "You cried wolf" and the beautiful "Bread". The tracklist also contains a brilliant version of "Lord Chancellor's nightmare song", never thought it'd be possible to perform this song live so well. Another surprise is the presence of "Lady face", a song written by keyboardplayer Moogy Klingman, making Another side of Roxy a real collector all in all.
'Back To The Bars' is the most unlistenable Todd album ever... And he did put out quite some theeth-grinding material, so that's quite an achievement. You can actually hear the strain on his vocal chords in the first track, 'Real Man', and it only goes downhill from there! I only got this album to complete the collection, so I would get Todd's complete face in my CD rack. And it's not even a pretty face.
My all-time favourite Todd album is another live album, the aptly titled 'Another Live', 1975, Utopia.
---- Grappig om hier Nederlanders tegen te komen! ----
Of course, everyone can give stuff their own meaning and they're perfectly entitled to. Still, the intriguing aspect for me is to try and find out why our fellas wrote it the way it is, rather than conjure up your own meaning...
Anyway, I think 'Slang Of Ages' has gotta have something to do with music. Anyone agree? Could it be criticism of today's music scene? Or sneering at folks who sample Dan stuff?
Later
aloha Tohnz, good luck on the promo-crusade, fill us in if there's any news :-)
and yes, that Slang of Ages must appeal to the dutch Steely audience and i for one say the more dutch the merrier in here!
reading comments about Walter's singing ... opinions can differ and so does taste, but even when "judging" as objective as can be, his voice sounds cool and it's the ideal storyteller for this particular track. There's no comparison between Donald or Walter's voices, they're so different. But mr. Becker's voice and intonation are just as electric and this laid-back manner, which had me on 11 Tracks of Whack is, i dunno, a matter of taste perhaps but nevertheless ...
G.
at least, if someone else doesn't beat me to it ..
It ranked #5 in Southern California, only behind, Radiohead, Metallica, Vandross, Lennox.
It was the air force and not the army. The air force is so much more fun.
You get to play with all sorts of really cool lazer-guided instruments
of destruction and they even pay you for it. Isn't that cool?
You should try it sometime it's the bomb! I mean it's a gas...
against the King James Version of the Steely Dan world known as
The Greenbook?
Mark, you're absolutely right - new Dan AND Fountains in one month - it's gonna be a great summer!
Been looking for that outcue at the end of "Things I miss the Most" (I think that is the song). It is a 2 note end and I remembered that there was something like that on 2VN. I think I might have found it on "Almost Gothic" but, of course, I can't check right now.
Oleander's "Fever Dreams" site will soon be up again with the new stuff. She is running behind, right now, according to the note on her EMG page. But that is a cool place to hang out, to find out others thoughts on songs.
which also means he doesn't do as he's told, so like mccain, his party will shun him from pursuing higher office, unless he goes independent - which will ruin our chances to seize the white house again
Roy: You forgot the Great Nations of Europe
"Before truth is known, the rumour muct be heard."
I came here expecting to find EMG chit-chat, and the first stuff I see is a review about my hero Todd and praise for my other heroes, the Foos!
"You be safe in heewa, widdo wabbit." E. Fudd
Yeah, the Todd is really an import, (or is that "import"?), with official liner notes in Japanese and retailing for approximately $37.oo (?) at Borders.com.
My understanding is that during the tour of what was to become "Back To The Bars", a lot of songs were recorded that the label said no to putting on the album, much of which was from the recently released "Hermit (love that name!) Of Mink Hollow". BTTB was recorded at the Roxy in L.A., and a few other venues. This import is all from the show at the Roxy, I'm guessing, since it's called "Another Side Of The Roxy". The sound is much better than BTTB, and although there is some overlap in material, they all appear to be different versions. This feels much more like a "Todd" album, where as BTTB felt like, "Todd, Utopia, and Guests". And as I said, since it is in Japanese, I can't read the liner notes to know who's playing behind him, and there is a startling lack of info elsewhere about this concert. I am still doing research. If anyone has any info they can share with me, please do.
I've never had a problem with you, but truth be told, I'd like you a whole lot more if you attached some names to the rumors you heard about the guestbook affairs.
Angel - yeah, i sing them all in my head when i read them too...lol the other day i actually said, "yes there's gas in the car" - of course then i had to sing it like Donald does...luckily the person i said it to got it...
"i move to dissolve the corporation in a pool of margueritas..."
Lots of good lines in there. As I read them, I was actually singing most of them. It is already in the jukebox of the mind. Like "Is there gas in the car? Yes there's gas in the car..."
Did you see Phish on Saturday Night Live last weekend? I couldn't get past the first 1/2 hour and so I missed them. Al Gore was host.
Cyn - maybe you could get those guys from BBC America's "Ground Force" to help you out with that moat thing...lol
Tones darling û Hey û you went to TJÆs? How is two buck chuck? LOL!
Roll your caht back up the aisleà
The talk, the sexà
I see that adorable ghost
and then ba-boom I rememberà
IÆm learning how to meditate û so far so goodà
I said hey pretty girl û can I cop a rideà
ItÆs your own fault daddyà
And when the stars bleed outà
LetÆs roll with the homeysà
I like the neon
I love the musicà
SheÆs kinda cute but a little youngerà
With just a flash of spectacular thighà
I peel out like The Flash
It donÆt mean boo to herà
God knows the service could be betterà
Maybe later, maybe neverà
ItÆs high time for a walk on the real sideà
Frankly I could use a little face time
In the service elevatorà
Horns arranged by Donald Fagen.
Bill: hmmmmm...you may have a point - posted this in the Humor Free Zone...nothing but crickets, with one exception...let's try here:
Glocks ok, God not. Perceptive child I have. :-)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/928314.asp?0bl=-0#BODY
*31 KISSES AND HUGS*
(Post 2717 & 2718)
by attempting to make a few jokes and have a good time. None of which
is allowed under the present regime. Now do us a favor and head back
over to Bluebookland and resume your usual position of genuflection
before the great and powerful King James you pitiful moron...
Holla.
Aja
For those who may be interested, Steely Dan's old label (and holders of their back catalog) MCA will soon be no more; MCA will be merging with IGA (Interscope-Geffen-A&M) Records, and the "MCA" name will no longer be used.
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beer..ta, for the Welcome, I'm lovin' it already.
Steely Dan debuts at #9 selling 91,000 copies.
was done when he didn't have that stroke.
Winwood's new one, "About Time", came out yesterday in the states. I picked it up and it sounds pretty damn good. I've read reviews saying that it was a return to form ~ a long, long ago form ~ of his playing with Spenser Davis. At first listen I didn't really hear that, (maybe I'm missing something), what I did hear though, are similarities to early Santana. The swirling organ, tasteful guitar work and lots of percussion. This has been a pretty good week for me as far as "new" music. EMG on Tuesday; Father's Day saw me recieve the live Todd import, "Another Side Of The Roxy", which was recorded in the same theater that a bulk of the material from "Back To The Bars" was recorded, only better sound and better song choices; and now Stevie.
SteveeDan
I saw The Steely Damned play "Two Against Nature" and "The Second Arrangement" in April 2002 (the night I sat in on keyboards for set # 1 of their 3 set TMD gig). This was also the night that I met St. Al, Ed Beatty, Oleander, and Miz Ducky ... and hung out with my friends, Mr. & Mrs. Pink. I can tell you all that TSD did a fine job with both Two Against Nature and The Second Arrangement.
I've written charts for 2 of the 9 songs already. A third one has been request by our 4 vocalists. I'll be getting to work on that one after our gig this weekend ... yep ... you guessed it ... it's time for ...
Thank you - SteveeDan
Dunc....ditto
clas...behave yerself
Track List
Different Light
Cigano (For The Gypsies)
Final Hour
Why Can't We Live Together
Domingo Morning
Now That You're Alive
Phoenix Rising
Bully
Horizon
Walking On
Silvia
That was about 5/4
and 6/4
and 9/8
"Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" was U2, not the Police.
That was rough.
Father William, maybe they were referring to my ChatSlayer duties ;)
I picked Irving Azoff in the pool!
Ch-ching!
Jewel picks Irving Azoff as her new manager.
Date: 6/17/2003 1:07:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: UnivAmp@HOBConcerts.com
To: wch1ispink@aol.com
It's basically Shearer making fun of people who are in the world of politicss.. He lambasts the administration for its' failure to find the WMDs. And he also makes fun of people who make jokes about France, Catholic priests, O'Reilly, etc.
Aja
He told me what it was like.
-A cornucopia of mu chords.
-Love the toms on the intro--good drummers know how to use toms, and bad ones either can't fit them in or use them cartoonishly
-The way Carolyn sings the word "chase" in the bridge is so pure and erotic, so nurturing and lascivious, I just cry. The kind of "chase" we're talking about is not "The French Connection"--no, this is a different kind of French connection. (But still highly cinematic).
-They appropriated some very funky 70s sounds--sounds whose funkiness has, in many ways, never been equalled.
-I do hear lots of Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer, especially with the souped-up keyboards
-The little Rhodes fill after the first line after the key change is downright delicious--very Jan Hammer
-But damn it, I want this a little looser! The guitar part is a tiny bit stilted and cliched. I want a riff master effortlessly gliding up and down the fingerboard dropping funk chords all over the place. McCracken is workmanlike, but...
-Nile Rodgers, call your office: this guitar part was made for you. (Wouldn't mind hearing all of Chic on this, for that matter.)
Floridavid reporting from Blues Beach
2. Who killed JFK?
3. Did George Bush really win the election?
4. Was EMG about 9/11 or not, a thousand times not?
Just Pondering...
Seems to me this album should not be compared to the classics of yesteryear, but just now (early days) the vibe I am getting is every bit as good at the pre-pubescent enlightenment of hearing MM and Peg for the first time.
Ouch!
Loving this discussion....
SheÆs leaning on my bell
That cold psychotic brain
The one I know so well"
Her bodyÆs just a blur
I peel out like The Flash
It donÆt mean boo to her"
"IÆm in a cozy booth
Maybe my watch is fast
Another Tanqueray
IÆll wait till twenty past"
The message about to be posted is lewd, blasphemous, and offensive. I'm considering cancelling my subscription. Can't something be done?
M. Python,
Great Britain
We've got no place left to turn to but the censorship chat
(I mean the greenbook...)
the Banyantrees chatroom. I know more than a few people who would be
overjoyed to see that happen.
Marilyn (Chambers) both who happen to be alive by the way, I doubt that the afterlife has anything to do with it.
"A late lunch with the girl of his dreams. Or is she the girl of his nightmares? The waiter who never comes. Bad service? Or could it be that lunch with Gina is forever ... in the twilight zone."
Freeze frame on the patrons of the restaurant. The music stops. The lights grow dim, then dark, except for one small spotlight on a corner table where the two fate-crossed lovers sit frozen in mid gesture. Fade to black. dee-dee-dee-dee. dee-dee-dee-dee.
Thank you for your patience.
And the other thing that doesn't quite add up ~ if all of those songs really were written well before 9/11, why wait so long to record the album? I know they're not the quickest people in the studio, but over a year and a half with song already written? I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but that just seems suspicious.
A THOUSAND TIMES HERM!!!!!!!!!
"There are so many musicial references on this album. The Last Mall--Green Onions; Godwhacker--Dectective TV Show Themes; Green Book --Duke Ellington's Caravan; EMG--John Coltrane's A Love Supreme. All were prodigiously chosen and cleverly utilized."
Sorry if others mentioned A Love Supreme before, I must have missed it. I've been pretty busy lately, and had the chance to only skim through very little in the past week.
Audi ~ Yeah, "with God". Good catch. I seemed to have forgotten some of my Spanish class.
Another little gem in "The Last Mall", the phrase the "Big Adios". Adios literally means "with God".
Everything Must Go. The title of the album. Also, the one inevitablity, the one actual fact of life. Everything Must Go. There is no forever. For either people or things. We're not talking about a liquidation sale, we're talking about life. And, again, please bear with me, this is why I feel that this album is themeatically about September 11th.
The Last Mall.
I believe this is actually the World Trade Center, and the "announcement" is made just after the first plane struck. "You'll need tools for survial and medicine for the blues." You need to calm down, don't panic, use your head, and we can get out of this. But, inevitably, it's time to do your shopping, the final inventory of your life. You know you're going to die, and the next morning will be a gospel morning, either when you reach Heaven, or when youo are prayed for at Church, so what do you do? You make one final human connection ~ kiss the check out girl, the last person you see after shopping, then ride the ramp to the freeway of the blood orange sky. The color of the building on fire.
The list of things missed is too varied for this to be the lamentaions of only one person. I see this as a group of dead souls, sitting around in the after life, all sharing with each other what they miss the most.
This is a song about a guy who skipped work and went to the beach. No big deal, unless you consider that this man works in Tower Number One, and the day he played hooky was 9/11. Maybe he was having an affair with this woman, and spent the day with her at the sea, while his wife or girlfriend died in the attack. Now this beach isn't so much fun anymore, and never will be since it will always remind him of this day. I'm getting this from the chorus that says he's sizzling in the mercifal rays, like he was granted an escape from death by a god that is shining down on him, and the long sad Sunday of the early resigned is a group of people praying to be saved, but the narrator knows that those prayers will never be answered.
I think this is about bin-Laden, how we were once "friends", (him with previous administrations), but now we're trying to capture him. "In the beginning we could hang with the dude...Now they curse your name and there's a bounty on your face." If bin-Laden played God by killing all of those people, then those trying to kill him consider themselves Godwhackers.
I'm not entirely sure how this fits in with the rest of my theory, (give me time), but can I ask this? When did Walter start sounding like Lou Reed? Listen to him sing the line, "Now, did you say you were from the Netherlands, or was it that Netherworld". Anyway, (and this is a stretch), but Lou's from New York, so maybe it's an in joke, or another clue. At first, I thought this was a guy standing at Ground Zero talking to woman who is visiting. Then I wondered if it was a ghost talking to another ghost, since she seems to not only skip a dimension, but she opened his head. "Are you all part of my dreaming, or the end of my life so far". Could be that the narrator is hallucinating in the moment before death.
I believe this is Limbo, or some level of the afterlife. Perhaps the Green Book is THE book that catalogues all that we did when alive, and all you have to do is look in the book, and you'll know where your stop is.
I believe this is a satire of the way our war coverage was handled and presented to us. It seemed disassocaited from real life ~ more like a video game. And since most of the player, (soldiers) were only kids themselves, why not have one of the women in combat be a sexy warrior?
I was wondering if this was Hell. He's known Gina for sometime, and things just aren't working out. Maybe they really went to lunch at the Tower and died, but instead of Heaven, he's in Hell, and his hell is an eternal lunch with Gina.
The opening reminds me of the opening of John Coltrane's, "A Love Supreme". In fact, I found myself inadvertently singing those four syllables while the intro was playing. Now, if this was intentional, it could be another little in joke. A Love Supreme was supposed to be a song to God. Maybe that's what this is supposed to convey. As I said before, this is it. This is the final moment, and everyone is trying to make the best of that small amount of time they have left. They suggest drinking margaritas, lighting up all their Lucky's, and even a quick fling with the secretary, (no one's ever going to know). Hell, I don't even mind if that little freak Dave in Acquisitions videotapes it.
Clas - for the record, yes I have a pony tail.
don't mind hearing the Who's Tommy overature on the allergy meds
licks as prevalent as the first track. Shows they are working hard.
Brief piano solo by Fagen, but it's building.
Ann Coulter, Bill Gates, anyone from Clear Channel. Fagen brings back the synth-harp from The Nightfly. Becker shines with another guitar solo.
Props to Carlock for maintaining the beat. If the media makes a fuss about it, it should sell an extra million copies more than Aja.
You could more like strut to it than dance with it. But it has some funk to it. The instrumental break sounds like a mix between Josie and With A Gun. The break sounds unlike any record put out today. Jill St. John should be sent a copy of this Cd. More of the sinister, yet sneaky side of Becker and Fagen.
a couple of synth solos proves once again his is a musician to be reckoned with. The guitar licks are tasty. A female stalker who turns off and on the protagonist. Not bad. Another highlight.
a bluesy sax solo and some splendid drumming by Carlock. He may not be Porcaro or Gadd, but he gets the rhythm and the improvisation right on center. Background vocals by Tawatha and Brenda gives the tune a 70's soul feel to it. A sequel to The Last Mall? Possibly. Or it's about losing our freedom to compete in a screwed up economy.
At least no song that sounds like Negative Girl is on this one. This is the Steely Dan album that I looked forward too. Then again, that's what I have to say about the last one.
a snake handler, a crazed wig woman, a bachelorette and a sweet, legally blonde type girl. 22 MINUTES if you get the CD/DVD version.
I felt this necessitated repeating:
- Steely Dan, 'Blues Beach'
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
After trading their infamous two-decade hiatus for an armful of Grammies, Steely Dan breezed through the recording of Two Against Nature's follow-up in a year--near record time in the oft-tortuous Becker/Fagan (sic) sessionography. Loosening their notoriously anal retentive studio bent has yielded upbeat immediacy, an almost un-Dan-like brightness to jazzy funk and blues that snap and crackle--even if pop is obviously the farthest thing from their fevered brows. But anyone who confuses the sunny disposition of "Blues Beach" and others here with anything but an ever slyer incarnation of their trademark irony and icy veneer just isn't paying attention. Bookended by "The Last Mall" (a cool, chunky update of "Black Friday"'s apocalypse) and a bluesy, laconic title track that serves up metaphors for bankruptcies both commercial and moral, Walt and Don argue that our once fair society may well be past redemption. Better to simply close out the excess with a good blue-light special. "Godwhacker" serves jazz-head notice on no less than the almighty, whilst Becker makes his belated Steely Dan vocal bow on the slinky "Slang of Ages," daring to be termed "Newmanesque" for rhyming "netherworld" with "Duke of Earl"--if not his lugubrious, lounge-lizard delivery. Abetted by guitarists Hugh McCracken and Jon Herrington, the sax of Walt Weiskopf (and others), and synched to the playful grooves of drummer Keith Carlock, Becker and Fagan (sic) bring a deliciously detached elegance to "Green Book" and "Pixeleen"'s sharp musings on digital vidiocy, forging an album that's a cunning, symbolic reminder that the sun will shine brightest just before it explodes. --Jerry McCulley"
"...it's getting pretty damn close" sound a bit like Der Sting's jazz transition tricks to in his case more hackneyed model themes...
jjeff: Nothing like fun with your Dad and a water saw...puting in some procelin tile...here In America, houses fall apart at 20 years...new AC/heater, roof, hot water heater, carpet, tile...having to refinance to save my ass...
You better listen to the Radio...the more things change the more they stay the same...
I'm thinking the Green Book is some kind of interactive computer Holodeck (a a la Star Trek TNG...I think Riker got laid once there. Who was that? - Minuet!)...The scenes are depicted are part of the programming, largely abstracted from the inner mind of the narrator...note "it's kinda scary to 'dig' yourself"...and "...the new cashier looks like Jill St. John. Can that be right" The narrator is surprised that such an image was lurking in his mind...where'd we sample those leg? I'm thinking sampling Marilyn (Monroe) 4.0...seems like he's introducing someon NEW to the "Greenbook" "grid of desire"...the virtual characters become real...until someone shuts of the computer
Things I Miss the Most is really digging into gosts of consciousness - a very New York...minor blues/jazz song. YGK - must be some self-loathing - this one of the 9 EMG recordings sounds the most like your stuff...
contains
cd: everything must go The all new follow-up to Steely Dan's 2000 Grammy Award winning Album of the Year, featuring "Blues Beach" and "The Last mall"
Pretty obvious what it's about.
I think it's about a divorce. He had a brief encounter with a birdy (lady) that didn't work out. A sad song.
I don't know if this is about drug rehab or not. It's very possible given the explaination I saw over on the bluebook. In the larger sense I suppose it's about escape from something. Who knows what?
I believe this is a response to 9/11. Things of unspeakable horror are done in the name of God/Allah. Or... it could be about W's response to "crimes beyond imagining". Haven't settled on this one.
Guy meets girl at dance club. She opens up his head with some Ecstasy. He wants to know what the word on the street is these days. I guess he's an older guy, but it could be that he's been a regular at the club for a while in spite of that handicap.
I have no idea what this song is about.
A very sentimental song. I think maybe Freddie's a cartoonist or illustrator and he created her (in his girlfriend's image) in the room above her garage. The real girl's gone now but he's become rather attached to what's left. It really is a very sweet song.
The synth solo is an eye opener. I honestly didn't know DF had those kinds of riffs in him. The chorus is the hook for sure.
You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime you just might find that you get what you need.
Corporate greed and corruption I suppose. But the lyrics (especially the first two verses and the bridge) could be taken to mean something larger. Perhaps a powerful country going under. The scene does seem to be a bittersweet (mostly bitter) going away party. And so in the last verse, to the very end, there's no conscience in sight.
And that applies to the corporations and the media and the press and the government and everything else that wants to control or fool us. So where does that leave us at the end of the record? Is it time to clean house and take stock?
The engineers did a spectacular job tracking and mixing this album and the arrangements are absolutely mind-boggling. The interplay, on the one hand, between the Rhoads, piano and Wurlitzer and on the other hand between the three guitars is a work of absolute genius in my opinion. Everything is in it's place rhythmically in the instrumental grid. The drums are recorded as well as I've EVER heard drums recorded.
I'll go out on a limb and say this record will receive a Grammy this year. If not for the album itself then for the engineering.
'Cause if she still wants in I gotta pull some strings.
This crazy grid of desire.
In the end we never took it.
Since you're too slow to understand Doctor Warren Kruger's posts, I'll try to keep it in one syllable words for you.
I spent 3 months tracking down all the various (oops-that's three)SD sidemen who had poured their last ounce of creativity into the four or five decent albums SD have made, and had them pour their last ounce of various secretions/excretions into a flask which I mixed together and heat-treated until it formed a sperm-like substance that I spread over the first 1,000 or so CDs released June 10th.
If you think getting a stool sample from "Pretty" Purdie the "shitmaker" is an easy task, think again.
And who the hell knows what was in the spurt I got from Phil Woods...?
Anyway, the point is, I didn't realize that many of these guys had fallen on hard times since the 70s (no thanks to SD), and in their various secretions/excretions/ejaculations, Krugerresearch Labs determined that some damn infectious material was contained therein.
To make a long story short, Dr. K. has opened up the Krugerresearch Building to the more seriously infected SD fans as a kind of Hospice to spend their last, few remaining days in.
He has generously supplied the terminal,quickly aging hipsters with some of his "Krugerburgers"(ground round soaked with deludin), so they won't even know what is about to hit them.
I suppose "goodie two-shoes" like you, expect me to feel bad about myself for, at the very least, exposing these SD fans to years of protracted infections that might not ever clear up, but you should know better than anyone that the world is not going to miss the marginal portion of the population reflected here.
In fact, now that you chimed in again, I'm starting to feel pretty good about what I've done.
Does the world really need New Age Voodoo Queens, amateur sportswriters, BPDs and cover band members making $25 a night?
No, regardless of what you and your ilk think of me, I'm doing humanity a great service.
used to sell beer. I'm sure Neil Young would've been pissed over it, especially since he was with the band at that time.
So is what Sheryl Crow is doing. Now, I like her music, but I think her recent release was a disappointment for me. Plus, she's using her body to sell more records and having Kid Rock perform with her was the lowest point. Even that duet that she did with him was for a Jeep Commercial.
They would never sell their songs to Burger King or Nike, exploiter
of stupid teenage kids. The crass commercialization diminishes the art.
That's also why if any rapper want to sample their tune, they charge 10 times the regular sampling rate.
Dano.
Those "old sideman" weren't old in the 70's. Hey z! I thought you were going to surprise us on June 10th. What happened? Did social studies class run late or something?
http://www.banyantrees.net/interviews/track2.wma
http://www.banyantrees.net/interviews/track3.wma
The 'Beaudacious Cowboys' reconvene for their yearly gig on Thursday night (19th June) at the Westport in Dundee. Should be one not to miss, see you there
Well, the joke's on you, those old sidemen are all over at least a thousand of those CDs!!
http://lebarbat.com/oz2.wmv
http://lebarbat.com/oz3.wmv
Greetingzzzz
Anneke
SteveeDan
What's that, baby, pecking on your windowpane?
(The stars is shining so I know it can't be rain.)
Clifford Gibson
"Keep Your Windows Pinned"
bluz
Listening the fantastic new Steely Dan CD, I have (as usual) a lot of questions. I'm dutch and I don't know the meaning of all the lyrics.
For instance, what is "Iffy" and what exact means "Godwhacker". I can't find these words in de dictionary. And what means "And there is a bounty on your face". (I guess It's not a chocolate-bar hahahaha!)
Who will help me?
Thanks!
Anneke
The vast majority of those infected will heal in only a couple of years or so, and the rest are heartily invited to use Krugerresearch as a kind of hostel or halfway house, where they can spend their remaining days helping mankind by participating in a number of fun experiments we're working on here that promise to make you experience life in a completely new and different way.
No, don't thank me- humanitarianism is just part of the Kruger experience nowadays, and all lawsuits should be addressed to my ex-patient/prisoner z, or WB, considering that he was the cause of all this trouble to begin with.
Humanitarianistically Yours,
Dr.Warren K.
In reference to the question about how publishing works:
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
My mail keeps bouncing back. See you in Alabama.
Have some flight prices too.
I keep hearing the riffy thing from the Cate Brothers' 1976 "Union Man" on Godwhacker...
Carry on...
I've seen that shit up close, and Donald has the same frightened look in his eye as the person I knew.
Please tell me I'm reaching and he was getting over the flu or anything else.
Pixeleen -Gibsonesque cyber uber-babe. Filmic, breezy, vocally fascinating.
Lunch With Gina - Monkey on back, chip on shoulder - a lateral song - probably a classic.
Godwhacker - Object lesson in groovometry. Placement of the beat, placement of the meat. Angry, subversive lyric - Can't get my fill of this one.
BB - Fromage - a mature Brie. Perfect with a crisp Chardonnay.
Danorak.
SteveeDan -
THE BAKED POTATO
SUNDAY JUNE 22ND, 2003 AT 9 PM
3 HOURS OF MUSIC ...
ALL DAN ... ALL THE TIME
EVERYONE MUST GO (COME?)
When is a choreographer going to pickup some dan tunes and make a show out of it, like Billy Joel/Twyla Tharp?
ygk
Raj - my sentiments exactly!
sh
Aja
Artist: Steely Dan
Titel: Everything Must Go
Skivbolag: (REPRISE/WARNER)
Min stereoanlSggning svettas och visar svsra prov ps prestationssngest i samma ÷gonblick som jag drar ps mig bomullsvantarna, ÷ppnar konvolutet och lsngsamt placerar cd-skivan tillrStta i spelaren. Den vet nu allt f÷r vSl vad som vSntar: att sterge en inspelning med Steely Dan Sr nSmligen det ultimata testet. Ingenting har lSmnats st slumpen. Musikerna - som givetvis spelar ps de mest vSlbyggda och vSlstSmda instrumenten i vSrlden - har gjort sitt arbete med sedvanligt nit, varje enstaka ljud ligger nogsamt separerade i varsitt frekvensomrsde och mastringen Sr perfekt. Vid inspelningarna deltog ungefSr tjugofem tekniker och intsrumentstSmmare.
Mr Chow.
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans* teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.
Heads Up Later with Jools Tonight Fri 13 Jun, 11:35 pm - 12:35 am incl.
RS - in the intro to EMG you can hear some enthusiastic tambourine shaking (+ other percussion?), I guess that's D+W.
Enjoying the various points of view on EMG.
STAND BACK!!!
Hey, what if Things I Miss the Most is a post-Nookyular Last Mall lament - then the "birdy" could be a "Canary in a Coalmine" If it doesn't come back...then things could get a whole lot worse before falling apart in the merciless fallout rays of Blues Beach...or whatever...
"That's the way
That's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and the chicks for free..."
onto Walter's Slang of Ages. His talk/singing reminds me of MK too.
maybe DF will sing that line with a speech impediment for comic relief at a concert...lol...
cara mia
Alles Moet Gaan
Tutto Deve Andare
I worry that Donald will not go for playing this song because of that one real high note he needs to hit after the girls in girlie trouble line. Please do it. What a kick ass duet it will be.
After experiencing the palpable excitement on here for the last six months or so I reckon I should dip my head into this pool of exquisiteness loveliness that you guys reckon this "Everything should go" thing is. I'll give ya an honest answer, I'm not a SD fan, but going by the utter frenzy of reviews you guys have been offering, I spose you should get the low down from a guy that listens to Deep Dish (couple of Iranian DJs that play the most mindblowing music) and Eminem/50 Cent in the same multi-changer, just so that things stay a little more fair. I'll post again when I've bought it and listened to it stoned (give it a fair chance). Hey babes - how the hell are ya? miss yer dulcite tones ma darlin. Is it good yeah?
I could see no room for improvement other than maybe a little more reverb on the "echo" in Dogs. Very well done. Then I did a quick listen to Comfortably Numb just to see what Parker sounds like and he certainly does his own take on the original. And well done also. Now when I've got time I'll give the whole thing good listen. Nice packaging too.
* Great work Walt and Don. This is way more like it than the last one. Anyone who says that this CD is all disappointment is in serious risk of being labeled a nattering nabob of negativity.
* Keith Carlock and Walter Becker were the best choices for their respective instruments. I can see, however, where someone who wasn't a big fan of Walt's unchanging Sandowsky/urban blues guitar setting and his soloing style might find it repetitious. I love both.
*Only three of the songs seemed personal. The others struck me as taking on broader subjects like capitalism, society, death, civilization, and the universe itself. They're moving outward rather than inward.
*I still haven't become fond of that whispering multi falsetto vocal harmony as in "The talk, the sex", "flame is the game""who makes the traffic interesting", etc. I miss the old "Turn That Heartbeat" harmonies the most.
On Black Friday, the losers were decent enough to jump from the 14th floor. Nowadays, the Enron types just shuffle out the door singing the blues, probably to screw us again some time. That's what the last outro makes me think of.
RS
now where's that cat shake recipe? ewww...lol
Lunchtime (ET) chat in the Green Room anyone?
has? Short phrases, he's playing "on" the chords, he's not doing like, say Wayne Shorter, who's (what I remember) is playing more like from A to B.
"Lunch with Gina" IZZZZZZZZZZZZ FOREVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe people dis Blues Beach. The counterpoint between the jaunty ditty with the organ whistling a happy tune and the inscrutable and depressive lyrics is classic SD. My take on BB's lyrics... (first a disclaimer: my theory is that if SD lyrics don't seem to be about anything, then they are about either the music business or drug addiction). In the first stanza the narrator is in bad shape and wants to "beat the mean streets of Medicine Park". Drugs is another word for medicine. He wants to overcome his drug addiction. So he "clicks his heels", Wizard of Oz imagery (which in turn has plenty of drug imagery) and "doubles down" (raising the stakes in gambling) to Blues Beach (rehab). People often use vacation images when talking about rehab. A girl I know takes a yearly "vacation" at the "dry out place".
I love the choruses throughout this song. At Blues Beach he's sizzling, frying and chilling, symptoms of drug withdrawal, in the "merciful" rays. Then one of my favorite lines: "The long sad Sunday of the early resigned". The "long sad Sunday" conjures up more vacation imagery. The last day (Sunday) of that week at the beach is always bittersweet because you know you have to go home and back to your workaday world. Rehab stays also end on Sunday.
The next stanza is a little inscrutable, but the name Trina is short for Katherine, which means "pure". It also could mean Trinity, another religious and purity symbol. So anyway he's off to rehab for a little "vacation". Then the great "paranymphic glider". More vacation imagery but another word with roots in purity and yet another bride image. The listener, a "hypothetical friend", is another rehab patient. The *last* people you want as friends are your cohorts in rehab.
Beerberian - loved that interview..thanks for posting it
sh
so you get a nice sampler of that
MP girl: Uh...
2nd MP girl: It's a new release?
Me: Yes. It's is being released today.
MP girl: Uh...
P.S Forgot to mention the tremolo slide guitar in the intro to Green Book. Also very tasty.
oleander - good to hear your thoughts on the lyrics. As usual, there are several little nuggets that have passed me by until now (e.g. "In the beginning" in Godwhacker). Looking forward to hearing pointers to more of these! On "Things I Miss" I took the birdie lines at face value. Maybe I'm missing something, but "I had a little birdie friend, by morning she was gone, birdie good bye" more or less sums up the whole song, given the hints of sadness and darkness in the vocals and harmonies at the end of that bit.
And now comes Steely Dan's new album, "Everything Must Go" (Reprise), on which the band returns to its roots as a working band, as opposed to a studio project. This week, Steely Dan's core members, Walter Becker, 53, and Donald Fagen, 55, were interviewed individually by telephone from their homes in New York. Here are excerpts from the two separate interviews.
Were you surprised, after making all those jokes about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, to actually get voted in?
DONALD FAGEN That was really the happy ending we were looking forward to. And we did end up sending a case of honey mustard over to Jann Wenner. So I wanted you to know that he was properly paid off.
Is it strange that, 30 years after the bulk of your work, suddenly you're getting so many awards and accolades?
WALTER BECKER I think that's a pretty typical pattern. We're getting a lot of credit just for surviving and for persisting in doing more or less the same kind of music, which depending on who you talk to is either considered a kind of integrity or a failure of imagination or both.
But for you, your style came out of nothing except yourselves and your specific musical backgrounds and tastes, so it makes sense that you'd stay in that pocket you invented.
BECKER That's true. It's such an unusual kind of music. It's an indicator of how much music has become like fashion that people genuinely expect that you'll have some whole new approach every time out.
You do, however, sing, "Let's roll with the homies" on the new album.
BECKER That's exactly right. We may not be in the mainstream of musical thought, but we're willing to co-opt any catchy expression that comes along, however silly.
What made you decide to sing for the first time on the album?
BECKER I've been offering to sing for years. But the songs that we write have too great a range for me. So this time through, as we were getting to the end, I realized that we had a song that I could sing. So I called my own bluff and did it.
Did anyone try to stop you?
BECKER Well it certainly wasn't anything they were expecting, and it was an easy song to sing.
Have you ever heard a popular band that you felt was a Steely Dan rip-off?
FAGEN Not really. Sometimes people remark that we had a big influence, but I don't really hear it ù at least not in pop music. I think we're more of an influence on composers of advertising jingles and perhaps smooth jazz groups.
And how does that feel?
FAGEN Well, "I shot an arrow in the air. Where it lands, I know not where."
Do you find it strange that your music has been so popular and original, yet it hasn't influenced many imitators or created its own sub-genre.
BECKER I've always imagined that it has something to do with the fact that our music is such a diversion off the main avenue of rock 'n' roll styles that you almost can't imitate it without it coming off badly. Or maybe people just don't want to. The fact remains, and this is more true than ever, that jazz is considered some sort of bizarre alien influence in rock 'n' roll.
One of my favorite Grammy moments was when you both came to the press room after winning the Grammy for "Two Against Nature." People who weren't familiar with you expected you to be gracious, and instead they got stand-up comedy.
FAGEN We think of our records as comedy records to some degree. There wasn't really any model for that sort of thing, with the possible exception of Frank Zappa. But when we first started, people thought our style belied the actual content of the lyrics. So they thought we were just some sort of sincere California band. I guess that's the secret of subversion.
The Grammys were also interesting because "Two Against Nature" was just as taboo in parts as the Eminem record, but because the lyrics were cloaked in a more adult-sounding music, nobody really noticed it.
FAGEN It's easier for us to sneak it in, I guess because of the various pop forms we use ù and the fact that we're so old ù nobody cares.
The previous question was asked of Mr. Becker.
BECKER I think also it didn't have the adolescent in-yo-face kind of flaunting of aggressively presented subject matter.
But the subject matter can be even scarier coming from adults, rather than younger artists, because kids will be kids.
BECKER I think using the word adults in regard to Donald and I always should have a footnote of some sort. Clearly some of the processes have taken place, but not others. I don't know why that is.
And for some reason, being in the music world tends to keep people looking younger. Somehow, you two are the only exceptions to that.
BECKER I think that's probably true although it keeps us thinking younger.
I was kidding.
BECKER But it is true that when you get to be our age, it produces a not too desirable effect of wondering why are you still in a rock 'n' roll band.
this song's from a guy's point of view for sure LOL.
for it's still quite common for a man to wanna conquer a woman and use all means in order to get what he wants, but when a woman shows determination this usually arouses fear or something ...
and again, this CD's a picture book, human nature in a groovy mode.
life in its revealing features.
G.
yes, i URL-ed above a list, from Luther Vandross to Dutch (!) fluitist Chris Hinze (his mother happens to be related to my dad, some cousin in a i dunno degree) and The Black Crowes and Carmen Lundy and, well, a variety in musical range ... read some about her being one of the most underrated vocalists ...
Born in the bogs of New Jersey
Trained how to love and spy hard
Dropped on the strees of Roppongi
Soaked through on the floor of a noodle shop..."
Born on the floor of a noodle shop
Dropped in the bogs of Jersey
Shot by a guy from Columbia
Soaked through all in digital video..."
Becker is pulling the bottom out again with his Bass lines,and,
oh,by the way,all of the Guitar leads are done by Walter.The intro
into Godwhacker told me all I needed to know about this new CD.
Donald's reference to that big tiger in the forest,me,Slinky Redfoot,
and trusty angel girls took me back to 1977...when I started to
really listen to their lyrics on Royal Scam.
Steely Dan is phrasing and feel that is juxtaposed with intelligence.
Unfortunately, that elegant combination is lacking today.I love these
guys for being a huge part of my life,and how I relate to the big
picture of life.This CD is also different in that it is recorded with
that thick live feel...also,the need for too many great musicians,
was avoided,so that they were able to jell and tighten together as
a band.Kudos to Becker and Fagen,and all of the best for these so
very gifted and genius musicians.I just have one request for them,
Donald and Walter,I wish that Skunk could come back for a song,and
that his excellent pedal playing would be highlighted once again...
ex.Brooklyn,Razor Boy,Pearl of the Quarter,and East St. Louis...
best wishes on upcoming tour...manny trevino
will our canadian friends come down?
kind of the sixth sense twist?
like the slant you present - although walter asks one of his cab riders if 'she's ever been divorced" when addressing this song
also love how the progression of reminiscent absences progressively focuses on the protagonist's materialistic fondness
you end up losing a sympathetic concern for his longings
DR Wu, Shame About Me, TIMTM - they just capture the irony of it all
I'll admit I miss a few open spacious atmospheric numbers
and the grooves have a tendency of simularity throughout
hey the bar was set at the stratosphere long ago
but minor asides, some very captivating music
funny when you think about it because in the begining of the song the guy
is doing all he can do to avoid the girl;
There's about zero chance she'll give up and go home"
quite a bit hotter than he first thought...
I guess she's a knockout, Hey where have I been?"
Also is it possible that the following verse is a play on words?
"The waiter never comes
God knows the service could be better"
This might be a bit too riske' even for Steely Dan though but it crossed
my mind considering who the songwriters are.
Howard: New M¦s??? How Cool!!!
Godwhacker >>>>>>>>>>> Janie Runway
angel: Pixeleen is my daughter's and my favorite as well...It may just be my favorite SD track of all time...there is some Gibson in there. Check out the first 30 pages of Count Zero...some of the best prose ever written - sounds like Donald...
Oleander - listen to Carolyn in the BRIDGE - a bit different sound than the chorus call and repeat
It's very good.
Katy Lied, Can't Buy A Thrill, I remember being excited, an I'd say 2 maybe 3 songs were worthy of wood.
Gaucho, I didn't expect a AJA duplicate but It wore well as time went on.
TVN, I was back to 2 maybe 3 songs that I really listened to,and it didn't have the staying power of Gaucho.
Still going with favorites of Godwacker, Pixeleen, Lunch With Gina and Green Book, but happy with them all. Love the chimes at the top of several songs and yes Howard, you win on Fagen doing the solo on Gina. Damn, I thought we had Kid C solo part 2. Definitely keys not guitar.
Who says that "YOU CAN'T BUY A THRILL"
Interested to see your take on Things I Miss The Most. I had thought of the play "Our Town" after a few listens -- where the dead townspeople reminisce about what they miss about living.
But it's getting pretty damn close." Eternity?
Not only is Godwhacker way better then Janie...it might be one of the best SD songs ever!
Nothing on 2VN is better than the song EMG. As a matter of fact, nothing on 2VN is better than ANYTHING on EMG. If you don't believe me...ask Bill!
On first listen, stand-out songs for me (not in any particular order) -
Lunch With Gina
Everything Must Go
Green Book
The Last Mall
Things I Miss The Most
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Before anyone gets mad I'd just like to say that there were a couple of
songs on "Two Against Nature" that I actually liked. "West Of Hollywood"
was one of them, but this cd simply blows the last one away. I'll refer
to 2VN as "the tune-up album" from now on. 2VN missed the mark in a number
of ways but my main complaint about it was the emotional flatness of many
of the songs. This cd is different, way different.
I'm building the Andrea Doria out of balsa wood
The days don't really last forever
It's gettin' pretty damned close
That's when I remember the things I miss the most
breakup. The statement "The days don't really last forever" kind of
gives you a lump in your throat when you think about it.
THESE are Steely Dan lyrics. The kind that zero in on an emotional
subject so well that you actually think you're experiencing it yourself.
EMG is right at the top of my cd list and probably always will be.
Way to go boys, you earned this one.
Should it stop jerking off?
As you can see for yourself Miss Nurse
IÆm in Gangrene Shock
You did go down in my smoky lobby
Your eyes were kept from its sight
A poor excuse for a Jilted John
Can that be right?
Wanna help finding clues?
Do me in, singing goodbye daddy
Your life, your health
Your black leg moves
Flashing head when still young and playful
Just them and me in the room
Double dating sure had its time
Left in Gangrene Shock
Makes me envy those legs
IÆm thinking metal before point blank
Share my Gangrene Shock
In this corridorÆs ride
It seems you guide me from fun to fever
What sweet delight
Crazy fears and desire
The best of luck canÆt erase my doubts
The boots drop dead
My limbs on fire
Makes me envy those legs
IÆm thinking metal before point blank
Share my Gangrene Shock
In Gangrene Shock
Wormy, FlaDave, Aus, LadyB: what they say is true......
I've caught a couple of these on BBC Radio 4 recently. Thought I'd find them online, and here they are! Guaranteed to amuse! Follow the link below (or above) for the archived set of "Donald Rumsfeld Quotes of the Week".
Good to hear the EMG comments. I'm really enjoying it so far, though I've only had 5 or 6 listens to the CD version. Things I Miss and Green Book are definitely catching up on the initial leaders (Gina, EMG, Godwhacker). Great stuff.
It's been ages since I've seen Midnite. Is he O.K.?
Hoping I Can Sing it For Your Spanish Fans,
Guy Lupe
my hairs have goosebumps.
VS
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So all you musicians and so-called musicians and artists, let loose your inner creativity now and start writing songs for the 4th Under The Banyan Trees-GuestBook CD.
The deadline is set to Oct 9, a day known for being the Birthday of Jackson Browne, Me and that guy... what's he's name? In Beatles? Well, anyway, those who are in now are:
My only regret is that in about 6 months I'll be waiting for a new "album".
tabs = cigarettes
to ''clock'' someone means to see them.
I've got digs in Manhattan, Is that close ?
REALLY EXCITED NOW !!!
It could also be refering to music notation. Tabs could be connotative of guitar tablature. Let's roll with the homeys - knock on wood. There could be a doubt as to whether the chord changes in some song were accurate, or whether the chord progression was even a good one. Let's hope for the best (knock on wood) ... count it off ... 1,2,3,4 ...
Pixelene - equals Tank Girl, Tomb Raider, any Japanese super hero nymphet.
This is a classic example of literary irony. After trying to avoid the "cringemaker", the narrator discovers that his stalker is a beauty ... someone he might like to have relations (of some sort) with.
SteveeDan
Greenbook
Pixeleen
Lunch with Gina
lp: great pickup on the Japanese connection with Pixeleen, the semi-virtual teen superhero of intrigue and whatever...filmed in digital video and enhanced to emphasize that spectacular thigh...flesh meet the Powerpuff Girls and Pokeman...
good to see a few people popping in
Altimira, J-Dubz, Katy Dan Fan, Schwinn and others
that or Albequerque and the san juans and balloon fest
hey J Dubz - good to hear from you
wow Laurel Canyon haunts and Morrison singing in your backyard
wonderful, will try to catch some joni tonight
too much babes and not enough beef on the dvd
stick with lizzie and Rita
or a plush Carolyn and Victoria
those young matching essex girls - is that attractive?
leather canary lmao
the andrea doria out of balsa wood is a kit, right angel - didn't we talk about this before?
great to see gordon and brenda again, no?
what is the following reference in slang of ages: "these tabs look iffy you say they're good"? drugs? apparel?
is pixelene a hot video game? a cyber-porn star? an updated janie runaway?
if gina is a stalker as someone posted before, then doesn't he come around in the last stanza?
doesn't carolyn take it up a notch on this release or what?
and the trumpet - is that perfect?
SEMB
Hey, Fellow SD Fans.....
Just Dancing....
to those tunes.
SteveeDan
Kudos to the Dan and Eliiot Schiener for this magnificent work of art!
patricia barber - verse - a 2002 record
just late catching up on that one
bluz
emg - cd+dvd and DVD audio (store clerk had to dig) ($24 and $19)
thank God for my $10% local jazz radio supporter discounts
not as cheap as Texas there Dr Mu
tried to get a copy at BestBuy last night - straight cd $11.99
grooving on my office stereo right now
I'll tell you how it is Howard, Cara Mia, J Dubs and other Joni files
and Roxy Music dvd from 73 (hope it has eno on it)
11.99 at HMV in Midtown
So at 10 a.m. this morning we take the obligatory 15-minute ride down Route 23 South to head to Borders Books & Music at the Willowbrook Mall in Wayne; strolling through the book section to the music department, who is there perusing through the jazz compact discs but Walter Becker...
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
CD/DVD of Everything Must Go.
That creepy guy from American Disgrace, I mean Idol, the one with the stupid hair got two stars. HAHAHAHAH!
and DVD-A versions of "Everything Must Go". As I walked back to my car
I wondered if this album was going to be what I had been waiting for
for so long. After wrestling with the standard plastic cd wrapper (are
they ever going to make cd wrappers easier to open?) I opened the case
and popped the cd into my player...
track 4 (Godwhacker). After 20 seconds I knew that the Steely Dan that
I had come to idolize all those years ago had returned with a vengeance!
"Godwhacker" is without a doubt one of the groovingest songs that
Steely Dan has ever produced. "Things I Miss The Most", "Pixeleen", and "Lunch With Gina" are phenominal songs and Donald's voice on
"Everything Must Go" is nothing short of superb.
the groove are all there this time. This is an album to be remembered.
"Everything Must Go" is certainly in line for another set of multiple
Grammies next year.
and production personnel who made this album possible.
My faith is renewed!
Born Again Steely Dan Fan!
I used a combination of jerry-rigged technologies to burn the stream of the album and create a simulacrum of EMG and have been enjoy it, but I can't wait to put the hi-tech formats on my system and really immerse myself in the TRUE SOUND.
They played 3 songs off of the new album, one being Blues Beach. What a disappointment that one is . It's just an improvised Tomorrow's Girls to me. Thankfully the title cut and Last Mall were much better. From what I've read here Godwhacker is the one to wait for.
D&W: There's only two of us..(snicker)
W: Be Kate Moss's bodyguard.
D: Be Kate Moss's masseuse.
One Quiet Night
Song For The Boys
Don't Know Why
Another Chance To Be
Time Goes On
My Song
Peace Memory
Ferry Cross The Mersey
Over On 4th Street
I Will Find The Way
North To South, East To West
Last Train Home
Stevee(Godwhacker)Dan
Dragon