Signed in stranger

ROCKOLGA SUX!: Three nights in a row, June 12, 13, & 14 at Le Bar Bat in NYC (31 West 57th street). NO we don't do any Steely Dan per say (ok, so we fake our way thru Bodhisatva, and suck our way thru , well, you know, but hey, where else you gonna hear With A Gun live?) We do, however, have a lot of fun re-creating classic rock & soul from the 60's & 70's. This years finally: an all Svedish version of The Who's "Tommy". Some liberties have been taken with regards to the storyline. In our version, the title character is a recovering alchoholic with an incredibly bad/yet borderline humorous, grasp of the English language. If your a Guest Booker in the area and you're thinking of dropping by, let me know!

lovebob

To All : Welcome to the all Clas, all the time Guestbook. Here you get to read postings from a Scandinavian(?) with the mental agility of a small soap dish, attempt to change characters like some feebile Tracy Ulman, while all of us stop/stare/regret/ and wonder how he ever had found the power button on his computer in the first place!

Clas, a piece of advice : Go Away! When the only responses to your sick postings come from yourself in drag, you've got serious problems. You're not fooling anyone here. First we thought you were a kind of cute, until your game got real tired, real fast. No there are rumblings of closing down this site because of you. If this were a real game at a real schoolyard, we'd kick the shit out of you and steal your football. Perhaps then you would learn how to "play well with others." This is how we used to successfully handle kids like you in the Immigrant rich neighoorhod in America that I grew up in. (before lawyers, of course)

StAl: Is it true that you manage this site, if so, sorry for the ignorance. I've got a plan.

Tired of assholes,

Techno Mo

Bobby! Iīll be there, if you promise to fire the singer. Replace him with someone who can stay in tune. What date?

Estamos muy bien los dos, Clas

two things.

first, that was jurassic park the ride.

second, i was watching "love potion #9" last night and there's a section in the middle with "ruby baby" (fagen version) as bg music.

that's all.... have a nice day

amanda

Really, where does the name Steely Dan come from?

... my b-friend loves Steely Dan and I am trying to learn a little more about him...... can anyone tell me interesting stories or facts that I can use to amuse and impress my b-friend? What about his childhood? How did he get started? What band did he use to play before?

TECHNICOLOR: Are you speaking for everybody? Have you had a meeting or what? Scandinavians? Come on man, there are people who donīt like me here thatīs true, imposters, they come on with new nicknames, put in pictures and accuse for me this and that. And all I have done is critizised your country. (and of course paranoid Ruby and her paranoid husband who went up in the roof when I said that my priest had a moisty body) I have been through this before. And I have brought interestings things to this Book, more than you ever are capable to. So, calm down.

I will stay. And yes, save the GuestBook, but that is only possible if some of you will play it straight.

RUBYBABY; Thanks for the cookies, they were good.

AMANDA; that was el plato combinado?

See you, clas

Aren't Walter and Donald worth more than to be honored with the meaningless dribble that gets posted to this site? I sincerely love their music. Can't we talk about their music for a while? After all this is a Steely Dan site!

Anthony

Anthony:I'm with you...Steely Dan ROCKS

Naomi:Steely Dan is a group!

Oleander- Star Trek- The Next Generation? you lost me there- I must be an alien- or maybe I suffer the dreaded histo!

Anthony : Thanks for the grounding. I admit, I get to caught up sometimes. Music is what this 'book is all about.

Had a strange musical experience yesterday and today. Yesterday, while heading to the beach, I stopped by a local market for some pasta salad, met a friend of mine who had just recorded a CD, he was so proud of it, produced by some "big time producer that is well known in the industry", done something like Crowded House or The The or whatever. He asked me if I wanted to buy the CD, $10, so I said yes, I'd be interested. While I waited for the to-go dish, he came back from his truck with the CD in tow. Takin' by surprise, I gave him a 20 and he went to the counter to get change, a 5 and 5 1s. I stashed the CD and finally listened to it tonight. I'll tell ya, I spent more time trying to take the plastic off of it than I did listening to it! It was horrible. First, I read that it was recorded on the RAG record label, many songs "Administered by On the RAG music." Of the 12 cuts, 4 were covers from Paul Simon, REM, Hendrix, and Crowded House. Tell me, if you had a chance to record your first Album/CD, would you take the same road?!? I'm supposed to give him feedback the next time I see him. Which approach should I take:

1) Congratulate him on his new CD 2) Tell him that plastic is killing our landfills, and if he really loves nature, he'd stop production immediately 3) Avoid him

I'm sure there are other options, and would be grateful for any input from the guestbook.

In need of a solution,

Techno Mo

TECHNICOLOR: Tell him that you liked it so much so you wanted to share the music with a swedish friend. And that the swedish friend liked it so much so he wonīt send it back.

Clas

CLAS: Now THAT was funny!

lovebob

BOB: Thanx.

No joking, itīs 11 AM here in Sweden, I donīt know where you are in US but it must in the middle of the night?

I have a funny thing to tell you. There was a party here in Sweden last night, lots of celebrities. Burt Bacharach (Fagens hero) was the guest and he was there to play a couple of songs. But the guests were so drunk and noisy so he got pissed and left the stage. Swedes canīt behave like human beings, can they? Itīs the damn vodka.

clas

I think St. Al is onto something:

Let's redirect all our wrath, abuse and persiflage away from one another and towards...

Jimmy Buffett!

YGK: I'll take the over and give you the under at 13.

Major (c): A while back, you were analyzing the Becker and Fagen solo works to try to infer who was responsible for which parts of their collaborations. Any new conjectures? The song "Haitian Divorce" has me wondering because melodically and instrumentally, it reminds me of "Waterloo" (Becker) but lyrically, it has a lot of Fagen's favorite elements: hotels, sleazy lovers, Caribbean settings. What do you think? Also, I'm guessing that "Reelin in the Years" was musically Fagen's creation because the melody passage "...are you reelin' in the years?" is so close to "..we're gonna have a wing-ding." in New Frontier.

Ole ander: Thanks for the responsive piece of medical journalism on Bob Dylan's affliction. I bet you did your high school term papers the first day they were assigned. Long live Mr Dylan; there are very few living musicians that don't owe him something. Ole: Who is this Horatio guy? One of those rotten things from Denmark?

Peace to all nations (Yes, only a fool WOULD say that), RS

Clas : Classic Solution to my dilema!!! Thanks for the input. The CD is by Joe's Band and it is titled "Listen". I don't expect it to be coming to a store near you in the near future, or near me, for that fact!

This is how I can phrase it:

Joe, I colaborate with a fellow musician in Sweden, to whom I send all material (you know, kind of like Elton John and Bernie Taupin, without the love ties). My friend liked it so much that he refuses to send it back. If Jerry Lewis can have such a following in France, why can't Joe's Band move to Sweden. (that way I can get rid of the CD and the band!)

Thanks,

Techno Mo

Hello guys!

Back from abroad yet again.

I note that some alter-ego acusations have been made again. I wish people would be themselves. I find it kinda spooky!!!

last week, Boz Scaggs was interviewed on TV by one of the UK's better musicians, Jools Holland.

They showed a clip of him in 1977. I do believe that the late great Pocaro was drumming away behind him. Made me quite sad. But I am not sure.

Does Fogel know whether JP toured with Mr Scaggs around that time. I am sure it was him. He had the child like smile on, that he always wore in his Toto vids!!!

I never really heard much Boz scaggs until that interview. Could anyone recommend a good purchase????

Does anybody own a Pro-ject or a Rega record deck? are the any good? I am thinking of buying one!!!

laters

pretzel buts

Clas: I hope that you are not Mr gaucho. He does not seem very nice to me!!!!

Techno: The problem with Clas' solution is: if your collaborator likes the CD so much that he won't send it back, then you should be asking to buy another copy for your collection... just my two cents (sense) worth of reality speaking here... perhaps you should confuse him with detailed questions, like: how long did it take to write the music? how long was he in the studio? how much did it cost? who produced it? etc. By the time he gets done answering those questions he will have forgotten his original question "how did you like it" and just assume you liked it because of your intense interest... I'm looking forward to hearing the actual solution. Back to lunch...

Techno MHome; but for gods sake, donīt give him my email-adress! Or my name! Tell him that your friends name is Benny Andersson. (ABBA)

San Fran; No, I am not, the little spanish I do is taken from a 15 year old schoolbook that lies besides me on my desk. But I think Gaucho is a nice fellow, I like crazy people.

Ole Ander; Hi my danish friend. Thanks for your medical report. I have a question; I read that this virus mr Dylan heartsack got is very common in Louisiana. Two years ago I was bathing in channel down there. I have had sternum pains since that day.

For a while I wrote here that Boz Scaggs was a streetmusician here in Stockholm. I just wanted to say that itīs TRUE!

Speaking of Dylan, do you GuestBookFriends (?) think Fagen sounds like Dylan on Barrytown?

ROYAL SCAM; Interesting, New Frontier/Reelin. I have always thought that Fagen has been the majorman in Steely. The chords, the singing, and maybe perhaps Walters former interests for selfmedication. And at the time when Nightfly was realiesed Fagen said that he missed Becker when it came to write the lyrics.

Clas

I am sorry, I wish there was a seven seconds delay on this PostButton! Forget everything I wrote about my sternum! It was not meantioned to insult or hurt people with heartproblems.

C

Whenever I hear "Ruby Baby" the Rhodes solo reminds me of "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks. I have often wondered if this was intentional.

Rickie Lee Jones is coming to Toronto this month and I very much want to catch her performance. Ardent danfans may recall that Walter Becker produced her "Flyng Cowboys" record.

Last I talked to Elliott Randall he was looking for a tube pre-amp for River Sound so I don't know how out-of-favour he really is with the guys if he was doing them a favour!

Take care...

SHINDIG!

SFK: Silk Degrees

Jeez, been away for over a week and just look at this mess!!! St. Al, can you say "Caller ID?"

Well, I've hung around here on and sometimes off for the last 10 months getting 16 years worth of Dan/Fagen/Becker thoughts and emotions off my chest, as very few people I've known over that time could appreciate the profundity and beauty of the music created by of Mssrs. Becker and Fagen. I've by now said most of that (some might ask if I had anything to say at all).

One last subject directly related to Dan that demands some astute feedback. What do you think are SD or solo Fagen/Beckers best song performances (live or studio)? This is tricky and sticky as this is not focusing on the "integrated" ensemble or "group" rather than individual performances (i.e., Elliot Randall's solo guitar or "Reelin' in the Years). Also, best performances are not necessarily completely congruent with best tunes, lyrics, production, and engineering.

Here's a few of my fav's (unranked - I may mave mentioned a few before, so forgive me) with very short rationale. Can't match the analytical skills of Edd, but here goes. I shall now Lurk.

Your Gold Teeth II (Katy Lied). They speak the truth here. Omartian, Porcaro, and Dias were never better. And that super smooth guitar solo. SD as a studio entity was slicker, but never tighter than on Katy Lied. The dark, cryptic lyrics are a wonderful counter point for the elegant and lyrical melodies which are intertwined in these works.

Dr. Wu (KL) See above + Phil Wood's sax.

...and that goes for the virtually rest of Katy Lied - my personal fav.

Rikki Don't Lose That Number (Pretzel Logic). While RDLTN is not my alltime favorite Dan tune, the Emotion and power of this "group" performance are gripping. Skunk's solo guitar is wrenching, yet almost delicate, at the same time.

Walk Between the Raindrops (Back to Your Door) (The Nightfly). This is a very lively performance turned in at the close of the Nightfly by Larry Carlton, Will Lee, and especially Steve Jordan's shimmering, wall of sound drums... and DF nimbly on the Hammond with just the right touch of cheesiness.

Home at Last (St. Louis'93) It just doesn't get any better than this.

Sign in Stranger (AiA) This song was a wonderful revamped and rejuvinated version of the Royal Scam ditty. As someone once mentioned her: It's the horns, stupid."

SHINDIG, you obviously read the Sweet Bio in which Philligagnes or whoever admits the solo was influenced by the Kinks.

Par 4, ln 3. There should Not be a "not" between "is" and "focusing."

Where did Fagen's tune "The Finer Things" appear?

El Sup

El Sup: "The Finer Things" appeared on the 1983 soundtrack to the movie "The King of Comedy".

RoyScam: Great, a taker!! Yes, I'm still at it and will be through the summer. Nice observations, got any more??

Re: Donald missing the Walter influence on the lyrics: He should miss him. Look at the liner notes for Nightfly, Kama, and Whack. Whack - lots of words. Nightfly - minimalistic. Makes me wonder if songs like Green Earrings was written by Donald.

Ear Candy: AiA's Green Earrings. I'm totally diggin the drum action right after the turn-around during the keys solo. Check out that mutha-fukka!!!!

"...rings of rare design, I remember, that look in your eyes, I don't mind..."

maj.

Techno: On second thought: upon considering the choices you provided I would advise #3... when that fails go to #1 (let's face it... putting out a CD is a mountain that most don't climb)... then, after you realize that you won't be able to live with yourself, you must go ahead and use #2! Back to dinner...

One of my favorite musical spots in the catalog can be reduced to just one note in "My Old School" - the low C played by the baritone sax on beat 1 of the measure immediately following the line "California tumbles into the sea..."

I can just picture something tumbling down the cliff, culminating in a big C "splat" at the bottom. It gives me the giggles...

Edd

Dr. Mu: Ditto on the Boz Scaggs choice - you got to post it first. You pose quite a challenge when asking about best song performances by D & W either individually or collectively (the term Guest -book- would be completely appropriate, as that is what I would end up writing). In the interst of time and also the reader's sanity, I will keep my reply brief.

For now, all I can say is that I wish they had started writing all the music we have all come to respect and love about five or ten years earlier. I can just see myself in my youth, picking every chord progression apart on the piano and having it all make perfect sense to me. Sometimes I still do and after all these years, it still does!!

Back to my bunker, Beautiful Survivor

"Aja" guest guitarist Lee Ritenour will be at "The Bottom Line" in NYC this Friday and Saturday, June 6 and 7 (with Dave Gruisin).

The Dan's most ubiquitous and arguably their most prolific hired gun, Larry Carlton, will be in town at "The Blue Note" for a week of club dates from July 1 through 6, 1997.

YGK: Been away awhile, missed your post and the Leonhart show. Got a review?

Dr. Mu: Yeah, "Your Gold Teeth II"... Dias guitar solo is a language unto itself. Holy f_ck indeed!

Rumor has it Bobby's pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles...

Joe

Re: Which SD compositions are Fagen or Becker?

I think that most if not all are basic Fagen tunes that Becker adds to and/or puts an "edge" on. I think listening to their solo albums bears this out.

Of course, thats just one mans opinion.

There, I've "dipped my toe" in the Guestbook pool.

If it's not too cold I'll post again someday.

Re: Which SD compositions are Fagen or Becker?

I think that most if not all are basic Fagen tunes that Becker adds to and/or puts an "edge" on. I think listening to their solo albums bears this out.

Of course, thats just one mans opinion.

There, I've "dipped my toe" in the Guestbook pool.

If it's not too cold I'll post again someday.

Been lurking more and more infrequently of late and then it's like the GB generator gets over it's dodgy mechanical problems and is purring sweetly again.

It must be like biorhythms or something:

1) I ditched a load of CDs in a car boot sale at the w/e including a rather lame Ringo Starr CD 'Time takes time' produced (from memory) by Jeff Lynne, Don Was, Peter Asher and Phil Ramone (?). Now you'd have thought with all that talent and money they could have come up with less turkey. Anyway, the reason I mention this is because the Skunk appears on the two Ramone-produced tracks. Any other particularly ordinary appearances by ex-Dan contributors out there? (and who will D&W take to the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame? Dias & Baxter?)

2) In return also managed to pick up the Mojo issue with Andy Gill's excellent article/interview and pix from Oct 95 ("there is actually talk of a new Steely Dan studio album in the works." mmm) which used to be on the SD site (maybe it still is somewhere).

3) And now I find that 'Bright Lights, Big City' is on the box again tomorrow [will check for K'kiriad similarities Fezzy].

Another great week to be a Dan fan

Richard&kangaroos

First of all, I've been asking for about the last 4 years about the "Reelin in the Year" biography on Steely Dan, especially on sojourns to the U.S. None of the stores seem to carry it - Any ideas where it can be had - Is the bloody thing out yet?

Secondly, are there any touring dates planned for the summer/fall of 1997 in Canada? They were in Vancouver in 1994, but that's 3,500 miles or so from Ottawa, Ontario.

Finally, anything new out of the studio by Fagen and Becker? 17 years between studio efforts is a touch infrequent.

JGMurtha - Lee Ritenour's playing in New York?? Well, I heard that John Beasley's doing some touring with him these days. Your theory's falling nicely into place. Afterall, Ritenour played on one Steely Dan song in eight years, and Beasley did the '96 tour. What the hell's going on here??? This is more exciting than the low C played by the baritone sax on beat 1 of the measure immediately following the line "California tumbles into the sea..." Dontcha think?

Hey ED! ditto on the low C. It is the bane of my Damned existance that our bari player's sax only goes down to a low Bb. By default, the low C goes to the bones. This, as you can imagine is not nearly as cool, and somewhat embarassing for a band that goes out of its way to use a talk box on Haitian Divorce. And while buying a Coral electric Sitar (Jerry Jones) for use on only two songs seemed justifiable, neither my bari player nor I could come to grips with purchasing a baritone saxiphone for just one note. (for a while, I was having him fudge it by sticking his bell into his knee/thigh, therein utilizing the Doppler effect to obtain the low C. The results were not predictable enough and when it didn't work...ouch, livestock!. Also, since he needed to turn sideways to do it (relevent to his mic) it usually meant that the whole horn section had to jump one step to the left to get out of his way. This part, I liked, and so did the audience. The horn section, on th other hand, were not amused.) Phew, all that from one low C note.

Clas:When I first read Donald saying he was a influenced by Dylan, I thought it was the most ridicules thing I ever heard. About two & a half years ago, we attepted to learn Barrytown and I couldn't believe how Dylanesque Donalds vocals sounded to me. The lyrics, the phrasing, everything. I'm glad somebody else noticed. I also hear some Dylan in the lyrics to Kid Charlemagne, and Don't Take Me Alive, but not in the vocal delivery.

(GK) RICHARD: You should check out the Posies version (ie the original version) of Golden Blunders. Despite the "Time Takes Time" Ringo reading, it's still a very cool song.

lovebob

EDD: And speaking of one note wonders, how about the first guitar note on Hey 19, the first horn section note on Caves (standing next to a horn section on this one is like a punch in the stomach.....in a good way!), or my personal fav, the one roulade Cathy Berberian knows she can't sing..........bing! Possibly, dare I say, the best placed single note in history!

lovebob

BOB: When I was young (20) I played in a band (omlopp, swedish for orbit) and we did Barrytown (shit! A cover!). We had a hell figuring out what Fagen sang in the stick. "..that the world was ?...". So we just invented some word that sounded the same. Hell, now I have forgotten what word it was. Whirled?

SHINDIG: Are you joking? Greg Phillinganes solo is not played on a Rhodes.

Is there any experts on dogs out here? I have a question.

Finally: what song beginns with these chords:

Am9 A/B G/C...

First person that got the right answer can have my dog.

Peace, Clas

Wotcha y'all...

Just when I thought things were starting to mellow out, we appear to have been bombarded with what can only be described as a "Clas-Spasm." Yo Clas, has your medication kicked in yet? If so, can you spare some?

Erica: (If, indeed, you exist outside of what passes as Clas' fevered mind), If you are Swedish, what does "bork-bork" mean?

Techno Mo: Tell him it's shit. It's a bit like having a bogey (booger) hanging out of your left nostril, no one wants to tell you but you most certainly would want to know. You'll be doing him a favour in the long run.

RoyScam: Heaps big thanx on the clarification of the piss ants issue, only I'm not too sure I'd like my delicate nether regions hovering over those nasty red mandibles as I lack the suitable equipment to urinate at them at a safer distance... Couldn't I just pour it over them at my leisure?

All: Hey, whose cousin/brother/relation is in Bosnia doing relief work? Can he receive snail mail? I'd just like to send him a big smootchy thank-you/well-done letter. Lemme know.

Yours walking between the raindrops back to my (job)

Clas: I am nowhere near my stereo when I enter my posts usually. Nor am I a keyboard player. Allright smart-guy, what is it then? If I go back to my CD and hear a Rhodes it'll be your head on the chopping block mon frere. I mean that.

Scott Westifled: I don't own Sweet's bio. I get most of my Dan info from reading the net or just plain dumb luck. I actually made my "You Really Got Me" observation all on my lonesome. I play Nightfly as background music when I disc jockey weddings. I've played/sang the Kinks tune a zillion times in cover bands. I keep meaning to buy that Bio but the Thirty dollar price tag keeps putting me off. I don't know why though because I buy just about anything related to the Dan.

Greenstreet: I shared your theory about Becker adding the "edge" to Dan tunes for some time...but there are some curious chord changes on Whack that betray a certain amount of Harmonic sophistication. And anyone who consistantly comes up with such interesting bass lines can't be a total rube...

I recall that prior to the release of Whack someone named "Lady Dan" on the mailing list; (a person who I exchanged e-mail with but whose name has now slipped into the mists of time) said that several Whack tunes were registered to both Fagen and Becker. Obviously when the album came out that wasn't demonstrated in the liners...still I can SMELL Fagen in some of the Bridges and transitions on Whack. It may be just influence.

Anyway...back to your theory. During the great IRC chat of 96 I asked Becker if the style of his solo album indicated that he wrote the lyrics to, for example, Reeling...he said it was a colaberative effort. And if you think about some of the things Fagen has said in interviews (his sense of humour) it is not entirely impossible to imagine that he has a darker more edgy side. Maybe Becker brings it out of him.

Or maybe he just needs to have a good dump.

Shindig.

Clas: "...in the beginning we recall that the word was hurled... Barrytown people got to be from another world..."

Bob T: Rockola in NYC again? Is Fogel giving discounts to Guestbookers? Is it enough of a discount to cover my airfare, too?

"...you're a nation..." Now THAT'S funny.

Shindig: The only Whack tune that was co-written with Fagen was "Fall of '92" which ended up being excluded from the album, though it was later made a bonus track on the Book of Liars/Hard Up Case promo CD single.

FineCol: Regarding urinary repellent of fire ants. "The right tool for the right job", my Dad always said.-- I checked with HQ and they have no female/male adapter for pissant applications. It's probably best to bring someone with the appropriate I/O device when undertaking this task.--And please don't say "delicate nether regions" around Clas; he'll get excited and start talking dirty and web-sturbating again.

Clas: I agree: Barrytown is , indeed, a very Dylanesque song; not just in vocal phrasing, but in melody and lyrics also. Listen to "...over there in Barrytown, they do things very strange." then listen to Dylan's "Positively Fourth Street" when he says "You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend." Donald's vocals in "Rose Darling" and "Any Major Dude" also sound Dylan-influenced to me. (but better of course).

Dr. Mu: For my $, "My Old School" is the best recorded musical performance, by anyone, since the Del-Vikings broke up. The saxaphones, the guitar solo, the two piano breaks, and the vocal harmonies (something we don't mention much on the GB) all still knock me around after 24 years.

Love em' till they run for cover, RS

Kinky, surfing in Nebraska again I see... My god man, you are indeed a genuinely lonesome sort, aren't you?? There, I responded... Satisfied?

Oleander: Love that Joycean literalism... More, more, I said, more.

Re: Bob Tedde and his band Rockola at Le Bar Bat in New York City - Next Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

*Free admission for Guestbookers*

It looks like we're going to have quite a turnout for Rockola at Le Bar Bat June 12, 13, and 14 (Thurs unplugged). To those of you that are making the trek, I can put you on a complimentary guest list. The normal fee is $20 per person, if you email me with your name, the number of people you will be with, and the night/s you are coming, you will get in for free. Again, I don't need all the names in the party just one name plus the # of guests with you.

Le Bar Bat is located at 311 W. 57th St. (just west of 8th Ave.). There is a parking garage directly across the street from the club. If you park there, you can have your ticket validated for a reduced price (around $6-$8), however, I recommend public transportation and cabbing around the city. As far as attire, people wear everything from jeans and T-shirts to tuxedos, just don't look too sloppy.

The club consists of three levels and four bars. Dinner goes until 11:00, there is also a late night menu that goes until 2:00am. The club is open until 4:00am, expect the music to go from around 11:00 till 3:30. (I'll make sure the D.J. throws in some Dan between sets).

I'm sure you will all have a great time. Le Bar Bat is one of the hottest clubs in NYC, and Rockola was great last year. They play everything from The Beatles, to The Eagles, to The Who, and sound amazingly like the original recordings. Hope you can make it!

Remember, you must be 21 to enter.

Dr.Mu: ATTITUDE, man! The best song performances by SD have this certain attitude. How can I explain it? The bass and drums in DTMA are outstanding. Come to think of it, the whole Royal Scam album is filled with such fantastic percussion. The vocals in Everything You Did, and the guitar in that instrumental interlude is just so damn expressive! And what about the horns in Caves of Altamira? Sometimes, in a movie, you find a supporting roll actor that is so great, he makes the movie(Tom Arnold has done that) That's the horns in Caves of Altamira and Sign In Stranger. But I think it's the drums and the bass performances in all the songs of Royal Scam that are THE BEST. Does this mean I'm a percussion/bass slut?

Anthony@hisB&G: Amen!

RubyBaby

Pete: Please put me down from Friday and Saturday +1 each nite - if you need my proper name, please let me know.

I suppose change is good? This being the case, why don't you see what we've been cooking up on the "My sentry trembles, he feels the end is coming. . ."

Tell ya what I'm gonna do. . . Amazon's page for Sweet's book

FINE COL; Medication? Please explain. Bork Bork is not swedish. An donīt fuck with me.

If you read "Ericas" post you could see that she is from Oslo, Norway.

Shindig; Sorry if you got pissed, but I thought everybody could here the difference between a Rhodes and a Grand. I donīt play sax but I can here the difference between a baryton and a tenor. Thatīs not a hard thing is it?

ROY SCAM; Talk dirt. Is that what you call talk dirt? Man, you havenīt heard much.

Clas

Clas: I always thought that Bjork was from Iceland!!!! Ha ha!

Clas: Is yours laced with kerosene?

RS, RBaby: Outstanding picks. "My Old School" proves that it's not just the rhythm section that can make a song "groove." SD, etc. always made best use of the backups, especially when Donald doubles his own vocals (exs. True Companion, Don't Take Me Alive, many others) The horns charts from the Caves of Altamira are some of my favorite. Something about the keyboards in that song always throw me off kilter - I'm sure they're supposed to. Good point about the intricate drumming on Scam. More please...

St. Al: believe it or not, YourGoldKeith is actually NOT my real name. Tell me now, are you really a Saint?

ygk

Yes, he is.

StAl: I dig your front porch! They got time to burn. Not so we. Kewl.

Hello and hugs and enjoy to y'all.

Pat,

Congrats, man, I'm quite impressed with the entry page's new look, and even more amazed with the successful use of the word 'Scads'in a sentence. That's a word we just don't see enough of around here...that and the word 'Roe'...if you could work both of these into your next post (preferrably in a derogatory reference to myself) that would make my day...

Cordially, Kent

StAl: I like the new frontgate. Rudy: Nice graphics and choice of typefaces.

But StAl: what is this: "Mary is strapping on a rubber penis."? Is it your intention to scare away cristian woman from this book? If so is, I will no longer be around. And about strapping, whas it theirfor the woman here used to call me the STRAPPING BABY?

DrMu: Yes and no, my endorfine is not laced with nothing else than salisylsyrederivat, but my serotonin has some problem with some chains in the frontlobe, theirfor I use to eat appprxoosnmnmitly 120 mg Prozac morning and night. But somewhere in the body, mine here, so to speak, the Prozac doesnīt fit with the large amount (3 g ) of amfetamins I use in mornings to get out of bed. So, to avoid some terminal epilepsisattaczis I have to, before the inhale of the speed, take 80 mg Valium, that is 8 blue ones, 10 mg each. After some coffee and 7 cigs I am ready to roll down to my firm and talk with my customers. I tape the calls so I can remember what they want me to do, how much money I shall get from them und so weiter. After lunch, a banana, I need to have some dragons, I chase them in the mens room. Then, some Mogadons and smack before I go to bed is necessary to fall asleep.

But kerosene, no. I donīt do coke.

Clas, Clas & Clas

Par 4, ln 3. There should Not be a "4g" between "is" and "focusing."

Sorry

just don't let it happen again - EVER~!

Bye bye Dallas I can't stay Should've been at the Palace Yesterday Hey no father It's understood Livin' low undercover I'm/You're no good Bye bye Dallas

What do they mean with "shouldīve been at the Palace"

Klaus and the Rooster

Clas:

I'm not mad at all. To put what I told you before another way, I don't post near my stereo. This means I hafta rely on a somewhat scattered memory of some of the tunes when posting. I made an error about what type of keyboard plays a solo on a tune. Wanna spank me, big fella?

There's a really cool posting on a Bob Dylan page about possible links between Dylan and the Dan. It also explains some of the goings-on at Bard colledge and the drug busts that Becker and Fagen. I think the page is something like "Dylan Tramps". Maybe a Dylan fan can spill the URL out onto the page for us.

SHINDIG

StAl:

Nice job. And thanks (as always) for the tip of the hat... Right back at ya my friend.

Joe

SFK & everyone--Let me make one thing perfectly clear--this is my ONLY a.k.a. I'm a one-alias woman, and I disavow ANY connection to other bogus asshole personae, local or long distance.

Dylan was discharged from the hospital Monday, apparently doin' fine.

Bob & Pete--sounds like a PARTY! I'm jealous!

Q--On Star Trek TNG, Q was the bad boy from an absurdly advanced species who used to terrorize Jean-Luc et al. for his own amusement, usually to show to good effect the actual superiority of our lovable human quirkiness. No! I'm not saying you sound like an extraterrestrial snot--it's just the name.

TecMo--don't neglect Rickie Lee's "Pirates."

Dr. Greenstreet--all right! yet ANOTHER doctor on the line! Call me a fool, but re the who-wrote-what debate: I'm just so amazed by the nonpareil synergy of the duo, much less the dazzling synchronicity of their ever finding each other in the first place, that I really don't care.

Ho-Roy-tio & Doc Mu--"Home at Last," "Aja," "My Old School," "Third World Man." Gimme another minute and I'll think of several more. And no, I'm a desperate all-nighter kinda girl.

See ya later, procrastinator--

I can keep my brain alive. I like the exhaustive and humorus work on the SD homepage and SD internet resource.

Shindig--I think you mean http://bob.nbr.no/dok/who/who.html. Sorry, I can't do the link thing. The post you're referring to just quotes the Sweet book at length. You should just read the book--it's worth it.

Fellow Dr. Mu: Best SD performances? How about Green Earings on Royal Scam? The drums are good start to finish and I always liked the 3 stage guitar solo that starts mild and ends mean.

Another favorite is Black Cow. The vocals and horns work together very well and the final saxophone solo is a definite highlight. This one sounded awful good in 96. Too bad it couldn't have been done earlier to make AIA. On the subject of former SD studio players, both Larry Carlton and Dean Parks appear on a CD by piano player Bob Mamet called "Signs of Life". Very good listening

JGMurtha - You forgot to inform us that Steve Gadd and Anthony Jackson are playing at Birdland next week. You're slippin' there Fitz!

StAl - Nice page, but, you know, I kind of like that midi version of Home at Last on Granatino's site. Oh, and next time you email that "active" member, ask him if he likes that you're telling everyone that you have his address. StAl, your such a groovy cat.

Bob - Is it the same set as last time?

Clas : re your question, what song begins with the chords Am9 A/B G/C ?

Well, I've been mentally scanning all the SD tracks, and maybe I will suggest an answer - and this is just a guess right? - how about, none of them ?!?!?!?

I've included FM, Western World & True companion - but you wouldn't be sneaky enough to include the demos (Stone Piano etc) now would you?

On the subject of musical trivia, here's another one for you.

In the introduction to which Steely Dan song is there a section just over a bar long that uses all 12 notes of the chromatic scale once and once only?

I'm sure this was included as one of Walter and Donald's slightly perverse musical jokes. Well, it's quirky but it's nice so what the hell.

(This question isn't too easy for you is it ?)

If you get it right, you win Clas' dog (again).

Howard

SHINDIG: Hi, maybe I take it for granted that people here should know all about what instruments and so on. You know, Iīve been listening on Nightfly for 17 years now.

Camille: Do you like the exhaustive and humorus work on this GuestBook as well?

StAl: I got D. Fagens emailadress. Could we trade?

What do they mean with "shouldīve been at the Palace"

claes

Kinky: We don't work from set lists, so while a lot of the tunes are bound to be the same, many should be different, and since I have no idea what exactly we played the night you saw us, them tunes what are the same will certainly not be in the same order. The unplugged show on Thursday night will be significantly different from the Fri & Sat shows, although I seem to remember integrating a significant chunk of them into our last LLB performances. On the Steely-significant side, we haven't done Bodhisatva or With A Gun (as ROCKOLA) since last October, so I don't know if we'll be up on either of those or not. Of course if Mr. Zing and/or other Dan alumnists make a showing I'm sure we can handle the rythem parts and vocals. Any requests?

lovebob

PS. let me buy you a drink this time, I promise not to shout/slur it to the world.

So Kink, r u gonna show? How 'bout some Macallan 25? Wanna finally meet?

LoveBob: Home at Last, Pretzel Logic, pleeeeeeeeeez?

Clas: I suspected that you kept a balanced diet. You should cut out the banana though. The gelatin coatings on all those capsules should be enou gh to sustain you.

Dr. Greenstreet: That guitar solo is certainly the highlight of Green Earrings.and *that* note of stratospheric Maynard Fergusonesque proportions!!! Given the obscure acknowledgements on Royal Scam, I've never been sure who was responsible....Dean Parks doing Dias? The sound seems too crystal line to be Larry Carlton. Any ideas? BOTH on Bob Mamet's CD...Hmmm!!

Howard: "Fire in the Hole?"

HOWARD; Right answer is Nightfly. (remember, I didnīt say it was a Steely Dan-song, did I?)

Let me get to your question later. Hmm, chromatic scale. I got it tomorrow.

C

DrMu: That would be Elliott Randall who did the guitar solo on Green Earrings, according to the credits on the "Gold" CD.

What a week I had. I bought a vehicle with its own eco-system, picked up a girl at a car wreck, visited my Dad, endured a lunar-induced impotence, re-lived my past at a virtual memory amusement park, slept late, picked up another ballerina-legged plaything, stared at pretentious art, went ice sailing, witnessed an extraterrestrial invasion by aliens who looked like Sigourney Weaver, visited an old girlfriend, got rejected on the beach, got despondent, considered suicide, listened to some jazz, drank some tea, felt better, and drove into the unknown. With a schedule like that, is it any wonder it takes me eleven years to make an album?

TMA: A tip 'o the Fez...Elliot Randall in the "Distortion-free" zone with a touch of string-bending.

Royal Scam; isnīt life a bitch? And then you die.

Dr Mu; thanks for the advice. I even donīt like bananas.

But fire In The Hole, no, thatīs not chromatic?

Ole Ander; Ditto, assholes, bogus assholes, THATīs what they are.

C

Roy.Scam: perhaps a few more details regarding the extraterrestrial invasion would be in order?

HOWARD; Bodhisattva! Damn, I dont get rid of my dog.

I always thought the Palace meant Caesar's Palace.

Is that the same Dallas song that Poco did sometime in the 70s, about a zillion years ago? Lyrics ring a bell...

a TR fan

The bride is back!

Nice new page, StAl, but I like the new look of Pete Fogel's pages even more, and somehow I think he'll have the latest news before you. Hasn't he always? And check out Fogel's new Links page too, very cool.

I'm a producer at at PBS station in California. Why not mount a mail campaign to have 'da boyz do a special?

Have Fagen's solo tunes graced any other soundtracks besides Heavy Metal, King of Comedy, and Bright Lights Big City?

If so, I would love to see a list...

Also, I was wondering if there were any live CD's of the 1994 (other than Alive in America, of course) tour? I would just love to hear "The Fez" again....

And another thing, I remember hearing "Monkey in Your Soul" about 5 times during the soundcheck for the show in Cincy. Did they ever play this one during the show anywhere?

If I heard those horns live, I think I'd shit!

El Sup

P.S. Clas - I'd drop the prozac and switch to paxil. And maybe 1 mg of Xanax could take the place of the diazepam.... :-)

Ga'head, it's time to flame the newbie.

After stepping outta my shell (acct) after 8 months into the PPP world ('bout time, eh?) it's been great to find pages for the DanFan that I am. Thank God there are others who appreciate the best combination of jazz-based progressions with lyrics that have the wit, intelligence, cynicism, and humor that transcends most pop drivel. I've been at the Poplar Creek '93 and '94 gigs, and had 3rd row seats at the '96 Alpine Valley concert.

StAl: You should already have my msg regarding the image(s).

To all: that the vanity plates on my vehicle are 'DCN BLUZ' is merely an initial indication of my obsession.

As long as the focus is on the music, I pose this question --

Could it be that I have found my home at last?

The Man Alone: Eliott Randall on Green Earrings? Well, maybe it's him doing the last bit of the solo (very aggressive, trebly sound) but surely it is the BIG MAN Denny Dias who plays the 'main solo' ? The end solo makes a nice bookend for the whole section, but it's the middle bit that really does it for me. Pure, delicous bop on a guitar.

Fire in the Hole ain't the song I was after.

Clas : No, not Bodhissatva! I would have to check, but all that stuff on the piano is on the G mixolydian isn't it? - i.e all the white notes from G to G. Including the final 'chord' - raise upper arm above piano, bring down sharply covering as much of the keyboard as possible, enjoy.

No, the 12 note thing is more obvious - more of a melody line. It *must* have been done deliberately, as one of their little jokes. How often do you come across a 'tune' with 12 notes that just happens to use each chromatic note just once?

You could still get rid of (Clas) or win (everyone else) a dog yet ...

Any guesses?

Howard

HOWARD: that was ei hard one. Iīm gonna listen to all songs tonite. But what song has these chords in the beginning and at the end:

B7 D9 #Cm7 #F A/B - Em7 E7 Esus7 ...

El Supremo: No man, Prozac is class man. Can 1 mg Xanax fill in for the lack of so many Valium? Hell, I donīt dare to try.

Have a nice weekend, peace, clas

El Supremo: Fagen also wrote a tune called "Blue Lou" for the Glengarry Glen Ross soundtrack.

Howard: Denny Dias doesn't appear at all in the Green Earrings credits. It says Elliott Randall (lead guitar) and Larry Carlton (guitar).

Howard: I know you are singing a song of the past.

I have an interview with NJ Governor Christie Whitman to air on my radio program June 10. I'd like to intro the segment with some W+D music, for an iNtuitive kick in the head. Any suggestions?

Kent: Have you come clean, made a break from the world of minors?

I think the new Dan recording is going to sound alot like Whack, especially Book through Hat Too Flat. The Donald timing and chords are flying in Whack.

maj.

I hate to disagree with an SD source the likes of Kinky/The Man Alone but, its a well established fact (liner notes be damned) that Dias is featured on "Green Earrings" along with Elliot Randall. Those classic bebop lines are not part of Randall's repertiore. Howard, you've got it nailed where Dias comes in... hot on the heals of Randall's "aggresive" solo.

Put down your liner notes and go back to doing what you do best Kinky, vilifying others who know what they're talking about.

Howard: a piece or Mr Parker's Band? I'm having to rely what I remember.

Cold_Daring: Interesting controversy brewing here over the solo in GE. I was able to verify that on the Gold-Expanded Edition that Elliot Randall is given credit as " lead" guitar. Went back and listened the song it (on RS) a few times late last night. I haven't heard any of Elliot Randall's work outside Dan, but the GE solo sure doesn't sound like his licks on Reelin' or Kings except over the more "crunchy" last third of the solo which follows a short repeat of the song's "signature" chords. The sound has some similarity with the Dias solo on YGTII (especially in the run after "the note"), but there's some string bending just before "the note," which is not consistent with Dias. This explanation is the best I can do as a non-musician.... certainly worth a few more listens...

Cold_daring - You're showing your true ignorance by implying that I'm A Man Alone. If I'm going to make a point, that I obviously am confident about, why in the hell would I post under an alias? Isn't it just like me to want to prove that I'm right? Speaking of which, what's your real handle?

One other thing, about your "vilifying" (sp) people who "know what they're talking about" comment, there's only a handful of people that post here that know what they're talking about, and you don't sound like one of them. I'm usually having to write here to correct the majority of others who don't have a clue or trying to put a pin to some inflated egos so there's room for the rest of us.

Hope I didn't swipe somebody else's handle. Second time I've signed on this guestbook, and about to show my lack of trivial knowledge about Fagen and Becker. I can't really beat the bushes for tidbits in all the music mags, but being an ardent lover of their sound for over twenty years, can I at least leech off what people offer up here.

Clue me in - When did Jeff Procaro die? Denny Dias - why is his name seldom mentioned in anything about SD, but Jeff Baxter always seems to get a mention; Is is because he was part of "Ultimate Spinach," and gets points for being part of such a band?

Is their a SD studio effort in the works? If so, what do you afficianados know of who the side players are? Give me an update, and I promise to browse the other sites and get more on my own.

For me, personally, my favourite side to any SD release is SIde B of "Aja."

Thanks

I have setup an IRC channel on EFNet called #DanzFanz Come join in the fun.

email me for a list of EFNet servers if you need it.

All alone, BookKeepersSon (BKsSon)

Someone actually joined #DanzFanz for a second.

Soon it will be closing time at the grungy fair.

"Isn't it just like me to want to prove that I'm right?"

Talk about your inflated egos...

RazorBoy:(I like joebj better) I've noticed this lack of Dias material while the Skunk is *everywhere*. Somebody here rented a History of Rock & Roll - the 70s, vol 8. It claimed to feature Steely Dan, so I watched it. All it had of the Dan was some clips of Reeling, which was cool, but mostly, it just had Reeling in the background whilest Jeff Skunk Baxter did a lot of talking. Hey, they almost let him talk as long as Bowie. He was interesting, but blah blah blah. I was hoping for live KOTW. As for Dias, not hide nor hair. And I saw Rick Derringer, too. Damn, those guys were SKINNY!

Now that I'm thinking about builds, the sax player that tours with Tina Turner comes to mind. I wanted to take him home.

And her black spikes with the red soles. The sexiest shoes I've ever seen. I want those, too.

RB

HOWARD: Yes, I was into what dr Mu said, mr Parkers band. But could it be that you mean the guitar in Kings that slippes on a bananashell into the third verse? Or the end of the saxsolo on dr Wu?

Hell, I donīt know.

Clas

Sh*t - I feel half responsible for creating a little storm over who plays the solos in Green Earrings!

The Man Alone : Mr Randall, this I can buy. But Larry Carlton? I don't think so. It just HAS to be Dias!!! Never mind the liner notes.

Cold Daring : thanks for the back-up. I'm glad someone can hear Dias on this one. No question in my mind.

Maybe the confusion arises because the solo seems to be in three parts? After the second time through 'I don't mind, I don't mind' we get a key change, some new chords, and a pretty sparse solo - just a few notes every bar. This bit ends with the long held chord, and a held note on the guitar which is slowly bent up. (Is this what you meant Dr Mu?). This almost certainly isn't Dias - maybe this is Mr Carlton? Seems a shame to limit the guy to only 8 bars!!!

After the little drum break, a new key change (into Fm), and the MAIN solo starts. This just has to be Denny. Pure bop. Then, after a while, back to the main riff - and the third solo starts - Elliott Randall. I think we can all agree on this.

Can we settle this thing?

Clas: OK, these chords: B7 D9 etc etc. Played it through last night on the guitar and the words 'wing-ding' and 'summer smoker' came to mind. The key word is survival on the New Frontier.

maj and Dr Mu : 'singing a song of the past' and 'Mr Parker's band'. Not sure if you're both referring to my 12-note chromatic teaser. Anyhow, no prizes yet! It's one hell of a way to lead into the first line of the first verse - using every chromatic note just once and concocting one hell of a quirky instrumental line. Just over one bars worth of DF and WB's strange musical humour. Anybody know the song? Surely Edd must know it - havn't heard from him yet ...

Clas, your dog is safe.

Howard

Ruby Baby - Thanks for your insights - But don't get dillusionary at my e mail address - It's my first name and the initials of my son's first and middle name - sorry if you got moist over the double intendre'. Can anyone telll me, perhaps you can Ruby Baby, why Walter Becker would tell the crowds, almost boastfully, during their last tour, that they didn't use a single trumpet or trombone? Yet these are integral in their studio albums? Was this a creative difference of opinion they had with Gary Katz, and why he did not produce Kamikiriad? Was GK in on Becker's 11 PIECES OF WACK?

Howard; New Frontier, yes. I get back to you with this chromatic thing.

JOE: Ruby got moist? Son you better be ready to fight. And no, no mr Katz on 11 TOW.

C, the Comma-Counter

Howard and others: This: chords on a refrain:

Cmaj9 / Cmaj9 / G13 / G13 / Cmaj9 / Ebmaj7/F F13 / Gmaj7 / Gmaj7 / ???

playing the field, C

maj--how about "only a Fool?"

Show me My Rival!

Has anyone ever heard this one live? How was it? I love the studio version, so measured and punctuated...what do y'all think about it?

Mr. Clas, do you get paid to post here? I notice you always seem to post from work.

About the awful CD, play it straight, he may not like what you have to say but he did ask and he'll respect your honesty and you'll respect yourself , too!

ANTHONY: I should not do this, but since you asked. For about a year ago I was contacted by a man from CIA. He said that there was, on Internet, a Steely Dan Homepage with a GuestBook.He explained for me that the band Steely Dan, I didnīt know who they were, was very revulotionary, and had lyrics that were very subversive. And that there had been a lot of fighting between the US-GuestBookMembers. So, he asked if I could play the part of a "outside" enemy that the GB-members could focus their anger and hate on, well, something that could make them stick together. He also mentioned that there was a big risk for a new civil war. A Foreign Commie Enemy, that is what I am payed for to be. And behind my back I have a whole bunch of staffwriters that also get payed. Not as much as me, but a few bucks.

To make the case more authentic I had to settle down in Sweden (oh, what a drag), and put in some crap about dogs and Prozac and Louisiana, and of course, insult your country (and the members of Steely Dan) so often it was possible.

Marvin the Arvin alias Clas

Deacon Blues?

m.e.

Hey Cos, You comma Counter; Ease up - no throat cutting intended on my part. Thanks for the Katz observation - I'd be interested to know how many Danz Fanz got duped into thinking a new effort was being relelased by the lads, when it was really "China Crisis" and the album Waldo Becker produced . The opening lines of the single released from the album, which went, "The Arizona Sky..." the singer had the same inflections as if Fagen were singing it. It was as if WB was duping us all. I fell for it.

And the song that Fagen wrote for Monkey House, "Lazy Nina," which was heavy with snythesizers, just added to the frustration of waiting for another SD work.

Cheers

A couple of Dan related dates for those interested...

Mindy Jostyn of NYR&SR fame will be at (ironically enough) "Fez", 380 Lafayette St. NYC on Monday, June 9, 1997.

Chris Potter (Fresh for '93 Steely Dan Or-Kestra saxophonist) will be the featured artist for Jazz at Noon, San Martin, 143 E. 49th St. this Friday, June 13, 1997. I especially like Chris' solo on "Chain Lightning" from '93.

Clas: Now that was funny...

Howard--Don't know if you got my email yet, but it's "Rikki," isn't it? I awoke from a dead sleep this am with That Bar in my head.

While I'm at it, how about those Red Wings??? Brought it home on my birthday, no less.

Le Roi du Scam: Keep in touch on your odyssey. It'd be a shame if we didn't hear from you for 11 years. And when you get back, you can brew us up some decaf and tell stories about all the cookin' jazz you heard on the tracks.

aloha...

...ah, I likes to stroll around the St. Al's campus after ding the graphical thingy, should end up doing it more often, yes yes...

has anyone else caught the "history of rock and roll" on TLC, last week? Checked out my main man Skunk Baxter in a beret...missed most of it but caught the two nites that profiled the DAN, of course.

(Clas-like Wayne's World) schmørgen. rudy.

Joe: Hey, one of my favorite kids in the world is named Joey, and Joejb just sounds cool to me. I wasn't aware of a double entendre, still haven't figured it out. Don't tell me - I'll be happier not knowing.

And I have no idea why WaltDog Becker has said ANYTHING he's ever said. But I like what he says, mostly, so far...

RB

RAZOR BOY; Hi, for the record, Lazy Nina was written for Greg Phillinganes. Itīs a good song but Greg uses too many machines on it.

HOWARD: D#maj7 Cm7# Bmaj7 Bbm7+... dr. Mu was first, is it Deacon Blues?

I guess Edd sitting with his nose in the sheetbooks and the CDs just as confused as everybody else here. Howard, come up with the answer else I think you are joking.

Clas

Oleander - I got your mail. No, not Rikki.

Not deacon Blues either ....

It's not a fake question! There really is a song that uses the 12 chromatic notes once and once only in one of the introduction phrases. I'll put you out of your misery soon if nobody gets it.

Think: early; think : bebop

Extra clue : the phrase ends on the 'devils note' - the flat 5th, then the first verse starts directly afterwards.

What a tease ...

Howard

hi everybody,

i have tried to purchase the - to my knowledge - two Cornelius Bumpus releases. no chance. does anybody know a possibility to get a copy or at least a tape? i should be pleased a lot. since i do not drop by very frequently, please respond to my email address. thanx a lot.

best regards,

Markus

hi everybody,

i have tried to purchase the - to my knowledge - two Cornelius Bumpus releases. no chance. does anybody know a possibility to get a copy or at least a tape? i should be pleased a lot. since i do not drop by very frequently, please respond to my email address. thanx a lot.

best regards,

Markus

Howard: I have no way of checking this right now (which makes it more fun) but are you looking for Your Gold Teeth? Just a guess.

lovebob

We have a winner!

Congratulations Bob, you win Clas' dog!

Yes, Your Gold Teeth is the track. It's that cunning fourth instrumental phrase in the introduction:

C B C# A# D A D# G# E G F F#

Love it. This had to be deliberate right? I can almost picture DF and WB having a laugh as they wrote this bit ... Strange guys, strange musical humour, great music.

I guess that's enough musical trivia for the moment. Strangely enough, this same track has one or two other quite unusual musical features, but let's give it a rest for the moment eh?

Howard

P.S The intro to YGT is a nice challenge on the guitar, but when you can get that last phrase OK, it feels good!

Clas:(re. Sunday's post) oh very X-file-ish indeed. You could have added that the CIA had placed sublimal audio onto each CD, guaranteed to turn all Dan listeners into opinionated musical snobs, which we all are no question!!!!

Oleander: I never said that you were two or more people! I just said that I found it scary that persons were taking on duality!!!! I didn't actually think that you were of two heads anyway. I have my suspicions elsewhere.

In fact, going along with Clas' theory, I believe that there is some counter/parralel culture on this board that is striving to take over world communictaion by capitalising on the intellects of worlds most sophisticated audiophiles.

DF & WB may be involved. Scully come save me, or more please!!!!!

Laters

ahhhhhhhhh!

Lucky: Any interest in LLB this weekend?

Howard: Thanks for the puzzlah. The be-bop hint was way to much, as evidenced from the bob "3:34am PST" tedde quick response.

I liked your question, Howard. It forced me to look at theory and re-look at Dan. "Throw Back the Little Ones" stands out as great song with an interesting intro, in it's own right.

LOVEBOB: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep, dreaming about those quirky little pink drinks Kinky buys for you at LeBarBat? Oh, Bob, requests, you asked? "I Can't Function, honey when you run me down" At least acoustic on Thursday right??

"..I'm working hard from morning till night, my shoulder bending to the wheel..."

maj.

Damn it! Bob was the first one with the right answer... but I was just posting now to tell Howard, that it was, scroll scroll... eh eh... scroll... Your Gold Teeth.

Doc K: Regarding the extraterrestrial invasion I witnessed. I didn't get many details; it all happened so fast. It was a day like any other, Mommies were kissing Daddies, then the milkman screamed and before I knew it, it was shredding time. A horrible invasion force was released: not multi-tentacled slimeglobs but the one thing I have no defense against-- pretty girls. The government sent two agents to check out my story but I told them nothing (the red headed one looked like one of tomorrow's girls). It happened to Rick Moranis too. You believe me don't you?

Oleander: Thank you fa-reminding me of Sly and the Family Stone. Those VH-1 clips of Sly, Stevie W, Jim Croce, and the J5 just aren't enough. I must find a way back to the 70's. Wait, then I'd have to listen to Debbie Boone and Tony Orlando again. Never mind.

The jazz quintet my son is in (ages 14-17), is playing at a local bar/restaraunt. The eatery is staging a 'Name the Band' contest. Any suggestions?

RS

RS: SavoyFaire?

How 'bout "Guernsey Fair"? Then, like the Dan, he'll have to explain that there is noone named Guernsey in the band....

...or on second thought, how about: YourGoldKeith !!

Going up to the studio to mix up tomorrow nights show. Have lots of Whack to fill in the news brief section at the end of the show. I've decided to use Junkie Girl to introduce the Governor Whitman interview.

laters, maj.

IM BACK!!

IVE BEEN AWAY FOR TOO LONG. EVEN MISSED THE PAGE CHANGE . STAL, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN WORKING OVERTIME AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT SOME OF US REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND SUPPORT FOR THIS CAUSE. I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU SOME MONEY BUT I CAN SINCE I DONT HAVE ANY BUT WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEDAY ILL BE RICH OR WIN THE LOTTO AND I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE WHICH IS A LOT.

I REALLY LOVE THE BANYON TREE IN THE HOME PAGE, I WAS DREAMING ABOUT GIVING GOOD OLD DONALD OR EVEN WALTER (ALTHOUGH HES NOT AS CUTE) A BIG ONE UNDER THAT TREE !!! WHOOPY.

BUT PLEASE DONT THING I AN SEX CRAVED OK.

BUT STAL, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE WITH THE DEFINITION. OK. BY NOW I GESS EVERYONE NOWS WHAT STEEL DAN IS ANYWAY BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO BRAG. RIGHT?????

I ALSO TRIED TO READ THE LATEST POSTS BUT IT IS TOO COMPLICATED. I WISH YOU WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE. YOU KNOW LIKE KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID) AFTER ALL THE COOLES THING IS HOW SIMPLE AND BEAUTIFUL IS THE MUSIC OF STEELY DAN. SO WHY DO PLEOPLE TRY TO COME UP WITH DIFICULT STUF WHEN THEY SHOULD LET GO WITH THE SIMPLISTIC APPROACH OF STEELY. I DONT KNOW.

BYE.

O

WHO WILL SHARE WITH ME THAT THE SOCIALISTS WON IN FRANCE????

JO

IM BACK!!

IVE BEEN AWAY FOR TOO LONG. EVEN MISSED THE PAGE CHANGE . STAL, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN WORKING OVERTIME AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT SOME OF US REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND SUPPORT FOR THIS CAUSE. I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU SOME MONEY BUT I CAN SINCE I DONT HAVE ANY BUT WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEDAY ILL BE RICH OR WIN THE LOTTO AND I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE WHICH IS A LOT.

I REALLY LOVE THE BANYON TREE IN THE HOME PAGE, I WAS DREAMING ABOUT GIVING GOOD OLD DONALD OR EVEN WALTER (ALTHOUGH HES NOT AS CUTE) A BIG ONE UNDER THAT TREE !!! WHOOPY.

BUT PLEASE DONT THING I AN SEX CRAVED OK.

BUT STAL, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE WITH THE DEFINITION. OK. BY NOW I GESS EVERYONE NOWS WHAT STEEL DAN IS ANYWAY BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO BRAG. RIGHT?????

I ALSO TRIED TO READ THE LATEST POSTS BUT IT IS TOO COMPLICATED. I WISH YOU WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE. YOU KNOW LIKE KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID) AFTER ALL THE COOLES THING IS HOW SIMPLE AND BEAUTIFUL IS THE MUSIC OF STEELY DAN. SO WHY DO PLEOPLE TRY TO COME UP WITH DIFICULT STUF WHEN THEY SHOULD LET GO WITH THE SIMPLISTIC APPROACH OF STEELY. I DONT KNOW.

BYE.

O

WHO WILL SHARE WITH ME THAT THE SOCIALISTS WON IN FRANCE????

JO

IM BACK!!

IVE BEEN AWAY FOR TOO LONG. EVEN MISSED THE PAGE CHANGE . STAL, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN WORKING OVERTIME AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT SOME OF US REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND SUPPORT FOR THIS CAUSE. I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU SOME MONEY BUT I CAN SINCE I DONT HAVE ANY BUT WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEDAY ILL BE RICH OR WIN THE LOTTO AND I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE WHICH IS A LOT.

I REALLY LOVE THE BANYON TREE IN THE HOME PAGE, I WAS DREAMING ABOUT GIVING GOOD OLD DONALD OR EVEN WALTER (ALTHOUGH HES NOT AS CUTE) A BIG ONE UNDER THAT TREE !!! WHOOPY.

BUT PLEASE DONT THING I AN SEX CRAVED OK.

BUT STAL, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE WITH THE DEFINITION. OK. BY NOW I GESS EVERYONE NOWS WHAT STEEL DAN IS ANYWAY BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO BRAG. RIGHT?????

I ALSO TRIED TO READ THE LATEST POSTS BUT IT IS TOO COMPLICATED. I WISH YOU WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE. YOU KNOW LIKE KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID) AFTER ALL THE COOLES THING IS HOW SIMPLE AND BEAUTIFUL IS THE MUSIC OF STEELY DAN. SO WHY DO PLEOPLE TRY TO COME UP WITH DIFICULT STUF WHEN THEY SHOULD LET GO WITH THE SIMPLISTIC APPROACH OF STEELY. I DONT KNOW.

BYE.

O

WHO WILL SHARE WITH ME THAT THE SOCIALISTS WON IN FRANCE????

JO

HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF HERE//////?????

Fucking christ ALMIGHTY

JOSIE/CLAS/KINKY/WHOEVER. Take a fucking HIKE. Incompetence is no excuse.

StAl

I couldn't have said it any better...

Roy.Scam: I believe every thing you say... name the band? TEEN BOPPERS... That's probably too "square"... How about: SHAVED SQUIRREL SEXTET (this would require a mannequin.)...

Post-once for posterity...

All the band members play while they're sitting on these rickety old bar chairs and you call the band---- --- ---"LOOSE STOOL"

You know, the kids will flock in from miles around to hear them blow out their special music.

>>>>>JOSIE HI!! Mon Jun 9 16:16:13 PDT 1997 >>>>>IM BACK!!

Oh, thank God.

>>>>>IVE BEEN AWAY FOR TOO LONG.

Nope. No you haven't.

>>>>>I ALSO TRIED TO READ THE LATEST POSTS BUT IT IS TOO COMPLICATED.

Not half as complicated as trying to decipher your posts.

StAl/Edd Cote/Rudy/or whatever other pompous egomaniac you might be - You know, I think I will take a hike. This place sucks! I keep overestimating the intelligence on this board. These accusations are ridiculous, and didn't you once say that yourself? Your just one big walking contra-dick-tion with a boat. Although you are now a full-fledged-card-carrying member of Steely Dan with an "active" member's email address and a bathrobe, you're still just an arrogant fan. Not to mention, that after reading your revamped Under the Banyan "ME" page, you showed your true colors, once again. How fucked up is blatantly dissing other Dan sites? Hey guys, am I the only one that noticed how uncool our host really is? Probably... Hey Al - who made you saint anyway?

That horrible headache is back in my eye....

El Sup

Goodbye Kinky.

C

kinky has got the arse on!!! Who tweaked his pecker??

Bit pissed off are you, Kinkster???

Sit down and have a nice cup of tea!!!!! Then come back and be a nice person again!!!!

I believe that you are a good person! My euro-counterpart Clas has called your bluff!!! but will you be back!!!!

Only time will tell!!!!

Laters

BOB: I forgot to ask you, in what condition do you want the dog, dead or alive. A simple advice; take it dead.

StAl: Ignore Kinky, donīt be sad, heīll be back. But, do you know the whereabouts of my friend Gaucho?

Galley West

Kranky spills forth:

"You know, I think I will take a hike. This place sucks!"

No, please... say it ain't so! You're breaking my heart!

And then I read:

"Hey guys, am I the only one that noticed how uncool our host really is?"

Say Hal,

Don't go! After all, forget StAl and the others... YOU'VE contributed SO MUCH of your own personal time and effort to these Dan Pages. I've gotten so much enlightenment regarding what IS and IS NOT acceptable around here from you.

YOU are the saint my son. Just look at some of the incredibly useful services that you provide around here...

1) Having to write here to correct the majority of others who don't have a clue.

2) Putting pins to some inflated egos so there's room for the rest of us.

Where the hell would the rest of us driveling idiots be without you I ask??? I must admit, until I read this heart felt note of yours, I really didn't realize just how altruistic and selfless you really are Hal... You ARE the spokesman for the little guy around here, and nobody appreciates that Hal. Well, I'm here to say that I do! You are my hero Hal!

Say Babs, maybe we didn't do such a bad job after all.

I have to go now... I'm just too upset.

I have been thinking all day. Howard - this question he had - from Edd Cote no answer - what does that mean.

the moll buzzer

Clas: I don't know, maybe Edd's disappeared?

I was wondering the same thing myself. Maybe he's in the middle of writing another analysis of a Steely Dan song. Have many of you guys checked these out from edd's Web pages? Quite interesting ..... but he seems to have a weak spot when it comes to rhythms. Like, Bodhissatva starts with three bars of four, one bar of three, then the rest is in four?

Hmm, I don't think so. All this because he mistakenly heard the first drum hit as being on the onbeat, so he needed some time signature tweakage to fix things in time for when the guitars etc come in. Strange, when the same drum hit is on the offbeat for the rest of the song ...

Also, he's got the first bar of 'Time out of mind' as being in 3/8. A bit over the top? I find it a lot simpler to think of the drum intro as being the last three 8th notes of a regular bar of 4/4. I mean, can we really imagine these guys counting in to this one with 'one - two - three' , and then jumping into 4/4 after three beats?

Apart from these somewhat embarrassing gaffs, the rest is well done, and seems quite interesting. Havn't really had the time to read through it in much detail though ...

Anyway, one more comment on Your Gold Teeth. This has to be the the SD track that stays longest on one chord doesn't it? All the keyboard solo and all of Denny's guitar solo is over a single chord of Cm7. Pretty rare for D and W. The only other similar occasion is in 'Do It again' . The verses and the solos have long sections on one chord, but it does actually change 'Back Jack do it again etc').

Incidentally, anyone else spot the fluffs on Walter's bass lines at one or two of these points? He gets a bit *too* stuck in the Gm7 groove and forgets to go up to C once or twice, catching up a beat or two later! We forgive him. He did play one of the finest guitar solos ever a few years later in 'Josie'.

Howard

Major: You're using "Junkie Girl" as an intro theme for a lady politician? Cujones grandes, mi amigo. Let me suggest that you begin the speaking before you get to the "..fucked up world" passage (or was that the idea?). "Tomorrow's Girls" would be a good one also; doesn't it mention Jersey?

Thanks, folks, for the name-the band suggestions for my son's adolescent combo. It's still two weeks till the winner's announced, so keep them coming. I fear that "Loose Stool" might be too controversial, albeit appropriate, in that the restaraunt sells primarily Mexican food.

You'll have to have them all pulled out after the Savoy Taco, RS

Almost forgot - I meant to include a link to Edd's Bodhisatva analysis for those that are interested in having a look. Go if you want to know more.

I just noticed that Edd has actually included a footnote (in letters at least 2 millimetres high) to the effect that, yes, it is a hell of a lot easier if you count the first snare hit in Bodhisatva as being on the SECOND beat of the first bar. For some reason, Edd likes the idea of it being on the FIRST beat of the bar, and then has to juggle time signatures of 3/4 and 4/4 to make sure that everything is sweet by the time the other instruments come in. Well, he does say 'maybe I overanalyse'. Sometimes, I think he does. Maybe it's worth putting the 'simple' analysis in letters so that people can actually read it though?

(Maybe it's also worth commenting that the first bar of time out of mind doesn't have to be 3/8 as well? 4/4 is another nice easy solution to this one too)

Apart from the strange interpretations on the rhythms, the rest seems interesting. Take a look!

Howard

>

Sh*t. Guess who forgot to include one of those little '>' characters?

Well, at least you have a NICE BIG AREA to aim out with the mouse! Can't fail to find that link now can you?

Ah hell, it's too late.... time to quit and go home.

Howard

YGK : Wrong, i'm 15.

StAl : Ok , I got it. Yesterday I spent some time with my girlfriend from school who knows a lot about the intenet and she told me all these things about being polite in the internet. Sorry!!!!!!!!!! I didn't know that I was SCREAMING (last time!!!!!).

All : I have to say that there is a lot of bad feelings around and we all should try to live happily. I see all of you as friends, even Kinky, who I think used my name and placed a post last week without even consulting. Now he's mad because StAl caught him and he's just so pissed off. Can't we just be a little humane and happy and civilised????

Erica/Amanda: You seem to be the only women out there. Don't you think these guy are being a little bad. He, he,he, eh.... He Mandy, do you have dark hair. You name sounds like you have dark hair.!!!!!!

StAl :Again, don't get mad at me. Here is something for you that I learned yesterday. I hope you like it.

:-)

Bye.

Hey Kinkster. Me thinks you need to remove the board that is firmly shoved up your ass. As USUAL you missed the humor. Remember something. This is a rock and roll band we are (sometimes) discussing.

About me being an egomaniac. It is difficult to maintain a site like this without sounding like one. Think about this, dufus, when I talk about myself, in many cases it is in the third person. I go OUT OF MY WAY to not take credit for something that isn't deserved. I work very hard on this site. It takes up a fair amount of my time. What do you do? Sit around here waiting to prove to everyone how much you know about this band. CONSTANTLY berating people. Telling them how inferior they are to your SD intellect.

Sounds like you're the fucking egomaniac. So all I have to say is don't let the door hit'ya where the good lord split'ya.

It's too bad really. I enjoy your posts. Though many times you go overboard with your insults, I find that quite often yours make me laugh the hardest. I'm gonna miss your presence. So you can go back to whacking off to Hey Nineteen and taking this shit way too serious you old sour puss.

Lastly. I really never thought it was you acting as JOSIE in disguise. I included your name to merely elicit a reaction. Your as predictable as the sun rise.

Howard: Thanks for coming back and checking. One time someone pulled that and it carried on for at least a half dozen posts before someone who knew at little HTML put an end to it.

Peace,
the uncool, unSTAl

TEST

TEST

Re: Rockola this Thurs (unplugged) Fri & Sat in NYC

Just giving a rundown of the names I have on the guestlist for Rockola at Le Bar Bat this weekend:

Adam Davis +1 (Thurs & Sat)

Malcolm H +1 (Fri & Sat)

Sean Kregness +1 (Fri & Sat)

Hal A +1 (Sat)

Scott Silver +3 (Fri)

Again, this is a complimentary guestlist, just give your name at the door. If anyone else would like to come, email me or post it here.

Kink, lighten up, I'll see you Sat.

I've changed my site around a bit, cutting down on the download time. I'm also going to add some wav files to the soundbytes that are already there. The dl time's a killer, but the quality is worth it. If you have the time, I suggest checking out that live Josie tune with Drew Zingg on wav, I should have it up shortly. I also plan on putting up a new soundbytes page featuring a SD song by Amanda and Dean Parks.

This forum will self destruct in 30..29...28..27......................................................

>Anthony > >Show me My Rival! > >Has anyone ever heard this one live? How was it? I >love the studio version, so measured and >punctuated...what do y'all think about it?

Anthony, I once said "they use rhythm as a wepon" in that song.

John Rohland, bookkeepers son

Roy.Scam

For band names;

I always liked "Drive By Shooting".

Another is: Lickety-split

HOWARD: Actually, I used Hat Too Flat right after Whitman's interview. Tomorrow's Girls would have been good too. Hell, I just interviewed a future presidential candidate and included the Dan in the same segment. Sleep now. Rest for LLB.

maj.

A formal apology

After re-reading Kinky's post I decided to pay special attention to the comment about me slamming another site in the SD world. At first I had know idea what he meant, so I went on a little surfing expedition and I quickly realized it must have been the comment about bad icons and midi files. This comment has been removed from the page. Now, for an explanation.

I recently started a small business that specializes in web page development. Over the last few weeks I've had to give out links to my work -- the Banyan Tree page being one of them. I didn't want a page with over 200k of graphics on it, so I changed the front page, plus, I wanted to prove the point that I didn't feel animated icons and midi files were appropriate in a business environment. Like an IDIOT, I wasn't even paying attention to the fact that this was an entertainment-based page and that my fellow brothers and sisters may have been employing some of the very techniques I was dissing.

To anyone I might have insulted I totally apologize. I am truly sorry.

Understand that this is not some sort of competition between the other SD sites and myself. In fact it's just the opposite. In many cases we've actually contributed to one-another's content development and so on.

The difficult thing is Kinky's response. His online personality is the type that makes doing this a difficult experience. Anyone who knows me, or has met me, knows that I mean no one any harm. Because of people like this, you have to constantly be on guard. Thinking - "Jeez, am I gonna offend xyz, or is abc gonna take this the wrong way." You can't even poke a little fun at them without searing consequences.

So, is it jealousy? Is it becasue they are bored. Is it because they have a really little penis and are pissed off becuase of it? I know I would be.....snicker. I just don't know. Help me out here Ms. D...

Peace, StAl

Hey St Al: The correct answer is C.

Hey everyone, I just come home, first I worked, then I met somebody. Josie, thanks for your post. Where do you live? In USA or europe? I wish we could meet someday. You have a leatherjacket? I think that is a coold thing to wear. And StAl, all about this rubberpenis that Marie is strapping that you wrote on the side before this guestbook, is it because you want to insult me because I am a croupier and lesbian. Erica

HOWARD: Show Biz Kids is a one-chord song. Dm7.

"Hmm, I don't think so. All this because he mistakenly heard the first drum hit as being on the onbeat..." He did? Wow, I donīt trust Edd anymore. I mean, itīs so obvious that the snare is on the offbeat in the beginning. Ptui. Swampcity. Barf.

StAl: What is this that you call Kinky Hal? Hal Leonard?

I was listen very close to Jerome Aniton introducing Steely at Civic Center. And he presents the band as STEELY DAN, not STEVE DAN that someone said here before.

Talking about Steve, I watched Letterman last night, Winwood was guest. Good song and a very cool groove. (but this Paul Schaffer, I havenīt heard he play a cool chop ever. And the sounds he uses!)

Erica: Hi (if you are a real person, if not, no hi)

Kitchen Clean, clas

" I also plan on putting up a new soundbytes page featuring a SD song by Amanda and Dean Parks".

Please?

Kinky is a noodnik.

Well there certainly seems to be a fair amount of Kinky bashing going on!!!!!!

To those of you who suggested Boz Scaggs albums to acquire, I give my thanks.

Clas: How's your weather? It's hot and muggy in London!

Mr Fogel: Does the guest list stretch as far as free seats on an airline! I would like to be there but I don't think that I can afford the cab fair home!

Purchased Chick Corea 'Light Years' on LP at the weekend. Sounds great and David Weckl's fantastic. Mind you, it is a tad Miami Vice in style and not up to the innovativeness of My Spanish Heart that you guys recommended!

Howard: Enjoyed the 'Bodhisattva' page very much. I like the idea of the foot jumping gene!!!

God I hate my job. I am so bored!!!!!!!!!!

laters

pretzel with cheese

Come join the fun @ irc EFNet #SteelyFanz

I am alone there. If I see you I will say hello. I am at work, so I won't be able to monitor it that closely.

Edd: I am not sure about the Japan reference, but China is also a criminal term for traded Cocaine.

Given the nods that SD quite often give to such matters, I had thought that maybe this is where it came in. But maybe you are right in that the song is about interior kitchen design!!!

Byesee bye!

Lawdy, look what happens when I take a few days off...

re: "Your Gold Teeth" quiz...

For reasons that aren't germane to the discussion, I always read the Guestbook *backwards*, from latest post up. Due to this, I read the correct answer to the question before I even knew what the question was. I've no idea if I would have known the answer.

re: my deconstructions

I put 'em up as entertainment, purely to give *my* thoughts on the songs. Take them as gospel or with a grain of salt, I don't care. Read them closely and you'll notice I often point out my own shortcomings.

To those of you who've enjoyed them, I thank you.

To those of you who read them, disagree, and start a discussion around that, I thank you for your opposing point of view, but if you want more than a cursory acknowledgement (like the dropped beat footnote in Bodisattva), post it on your own site and I'll provide a pointer.

To those of you who just want to read them and then find some reason to call me a fool, go fuck yourselves.

I figure ANY discussion about the band and the music is better than the juvenile drivel that constitutes 90% of the posts here.

Edd

Per Usual......Well Sedd Edd.....

*putting on the garb for Sat. at LBB*

Hope that's waterproof garb, YGK. ;>

What's happening with the new recording? Who's got the news?

Jack of Speed, Wetside, Cash Only Island, ?Fall of 92?, what else??

maj.

StAl:

Something tells me that John G., Jim McKay, Pete Fogel, Rudy, The Dan, et al. were probably not at all offended by your rather harmless little comment about bad icons and midi files. Only the clueless would interpret your comments as a personal affront to their web page. You needn't apologize to anyone. And thanks again for all of your hard work.

Edd: Wish I'd said that.

Joe

Howard: I agree about the "Josie" guitar solo. It's a great one, and leaves no doubt in my tiny mind as to the "chops" of the soloist. Who could differ? My personal favorite guitar solo is in the middle of "Black Friday", especially during that stop (on the dominant chord I believe) when the lead guitar screams a riff that sounds like the phrase "missed the Saturday dance" from Duke Ellington's "Dont Get Around Much Anymore". I'm theorizing that WB was thinking "..missed the Saturday dance.." when he played that lick, since , if there was an economic collapse on a Friday, we might all miss the Saturday dance. Over-analyzing probably , but I love that solo. I want to eat it; I want to hard wire it into my core memory; I want to have it's children. Well anyway, it's a darn good solo.

Santo Alfonso: Non sweatum les assenholiums. May you live on in 15 ways.

Easy question: What SD song begins with a reverse fade out?

RS

Hold my calls....

Weird tie-in here:

All this talk about the "Josie" guitar solo (it is indeed exquisite) and RS's Ellingtonian observations on "Black Friday" etc. got me thinking about another similar Dan/40's era musical correlation. Bird composed a tune back in '47 entitled "Scrapple From the Apple". I've always felt Don+Walt utilized the terms "scrapple" and "apple" from this tune as: 1) a convenient rhyme sheme for "Josie" and 2) a nod to Mr. Parker.

Another post for the over-analysis pile.

Joe

Hey StAl!

You crusty old fuck...nice work, you blew that old web site up real good, didn't you? And, yes, I couldn't agree more - you look magnificent in light blue, it is your perfect color.

Why reinvent the wheel. Don't you think so.

Gaucho Homosexual

Ok, I'll lighten up. Here's a little joke I hope you will enjoy.

Josie goes to her dad and says " Dad, I can't take it. I lied to you and I now must tell the truth".

Dad goes "Ok"

Josie: "I told you I was going to the movies with Martha but I really went to the park with Clas".

Dad: "Ok"

Josie: "And as you know, I like him a bit so we had a bottle of wine and laid in the grass by a tree".

Dad: "Ok"

Josie: "So Clas started to kiss me and caress me and he then placed his hand on my back and undid my bra"

Dad: "Josie, you should go and tell that story to your Mom because it's making me horny"

Uhu.... So here's the sequel.

Josie: "Dad, would you let me go to the movies with Martha"

Dad: "No way, we already know what happens then, right"

Josie: "Promise Dad, this one's for real"

Dad : "Ok, I'll let you go on one condition"

Josie: "What"

Dad: "If you suck me first"

Josie thinks (If I don't do it I'll be stuck in this fucking house all day) so she goes "Ok" Now she's sucking, but............

Josie: "Ohh FUCK, you dick tastes like SHIT!!!"

Dad: "Sorry, your brother wanted the car this morning"

Kinki, kinki... and all this time I thought you were a puss..

Roy.Scam: Black Friday

And I'd love to hear more about that wild week you had. Picked up a girl at a car wreck. Hmmm, sounds kind of romantic.

re: band name - I always liked one-word band names best. (My favorite band name is the Kinks) But I think I'd go with something science fiction or techno, like subspace, tachyon or quantum something. People seem to be drawn to star things.

George: I love the live Black Friday!! They do it with a certain flair.

RB

Isn't it funny how you can be in the darndest, cheesiest places (i.e. the mall, Chuck E. Cheese, the drug store, the grocery store, Biscuitville, the corparate elevator, the can, The GAP) and all of a sudden a Dan song will come on (maybe in the form of MUZACK, making it even more funny) and make everuthing all right! You don't want to leave until you can criticize the arragement and absorb the emptiness of copycat clone tones stinging your ears. All the while, the original, the way know and love it simultaneously plays in your gullever. That's just one of beauties of da' boys music. Big up to SD fans around the world!!!

Gaucho: How did you know. Come over here you sexy thing.

Deacon: WOULDN'T you know something like this happened to me tonight. I was tossin back a few at my favorite seedy bar and low-and-behold -- during a visit to the CAN -- wafted the smooth sounds of "Josie". Full Muzak treatment in place I just had to hang out and listen.

Actually sounded like one of those bad midi files....

Peace, StAl

SAN FRAN: Hi, itīs hot here in Stockholm, but not muggy. And you should see the swedish girls.

But Kinky: Iīd love to make a pass on Josie, but sheīs 15 man! Do you think I wanne spend time in jail?

I was listen very close to Jerome Aniton introducing Steely at Civic Center. And he presents the band as STEELY DAN, not STEVE DAN that someone said here before. (edd?)

HI GAUCHO! I donīt have any second thoughts about your homo-thing. you are still my friend. let me ask you a question, if, I say IF, I was eh... well... you know, the way you are, would you come on to me then? I mean IF I had... well, I mean, are you attracted to me?

The Bench Warmer

PS Show Biz Kids: Dm7

St Al: Yeah, I slipped up, but caught myself in time before the entire page turned into a huge link to Edd's stuff. A little HTML knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Edd: good to see you're back! I don't think anybody's been calling anybody 'fools' here - I was just interested in opening up the discussion on some of these songs. I figured this place is the best place for it. Anyway, it's good that someone puts in a little time and effort into this kind of analysis. I'm sure a lot of us enjoyed reading it - but yes, I did have some opposing points of view, on some of the rhythm things anyhow. I don't have the time to write these kind of things up on a Web page, that's why I added my comments here.

... and you're right, there is a lot of waffle in this guestbook. I was trying to bring in a little more discussion on music, lyrics, song structure - anything to do with SD. It seems like you'd be into some discussion on this analysis kind of thing - I look forward to more of the same. By the way, how many songs have you done? In the archives I think I saw Bodhisatve, Time out of mind and Deacon Blues. Any others?

Final comment (everyone else skip this cos you're bored with the heavy musical dissection right?). On TOOM, here's my take on the bar counting. I *think* this is similar to the second way of doing things that you mention on your page. I've lost the link now so i can't check. We have a three note lead-in on the drums (for me, this really has to be the end of a 4/4 bar, not a 3/8 bar) - then, two bars of a 'mini introduction'. At the end of this two bars the three note figure comes up on the drums again to mark the end of this little section. Then, the guitar etc comes in, and there are 8 bars of introduction. (2 times through the main verse sequence). At the end of this 8 bar intro, the vocals start with a 'lead-in' phrase, so that the end of the word 'ready' is the start of the verse section. Now, you have 8 bars of verse. Next, and this is where things start to get interesting, you have a six bar 'pre-chorus' section - 3 lots of a two bar change. Now into the chorus .....

Of course, there are some further twists later on as you point out. The 6 bar 'pre-chorus' ends up being a full 8 bars on later repeats, just to keep everybody on their toes.

Clas: show biz kids - Dm7 ?

OK, I'm a pedantic git, I have to comment on this. I listened through last night to check, and I would say it's not all one chord of Dm7, rather two or maybe three chords, repeated over and over. The bass line goes D A C D A C D etc etc The C is just a passing note though, so the main bass notes are D and A. In the piano right hand, I hear three triads - F, G and C (the triad spellings are CFA, DGB, CEG - the top note matters!). The sequence is F G F C F G F C etc etc The backing vocals just sing the F G triads over and over.

Put all this together, and I figure you end up with :

Dm7 G/A Dm7 Am7 (repeat a few hundred times ...)

The song definitely wins a prize of some sort for using just one chord sequence throughout, but I don't think it wins the 'staying on one chord for the longest time' prize. Maybe there are other SD songs that stick with one chord longer than the solos in Your Gold Teeth?

(I have a strong memory of buying Kamakiriad when it first came out, I put it on, and sat there for quite some time listening to Trans-island skyway thinking - OK, yeah, nice - now change chord for god's sake!!)

OK. I've droned on for far too long now.

Howard

hi, when i visited this site the last time, i posted my little Cornelius Bumpus records request without having read the things going on here. now i know why i have got no answer so far. this used to be a SD site some months ago. what has happened? StAl, donīt you think it is a pity? you mentioned this is a rockīnīroll site about a band ... nevertheless, you are doing a great job. Maybe this site will be dealing more music again after the next SD release.

bye

Markus

HOWARD, ok ok ok, I am moron, a useless fuck, I have listening to dan-shit for 25 years and I still donīt know a shit!

OK JOSIE: Do you wanne fuck with me?

Gaucho: Do YOU wanne fuck with me???

Clas

VIVA LA FRANCE! VIVA LA FRANCE! VIVA LA FRANCE! VIVA LA FRANCE!

For the record, I also believe the 3 8th notes that start off "Time Out Of Mind" are, indeed, the end of a standard 4/4 measure, a common pick-up phrase. Why I kept referring to them as a measure of 3/8 alludes me...

The Bodisattva thing though, I'm sticking to my guns. No matter how hard I try, I just find it easier to start it on "1" and drop the beat later. At best I'll acknowledge it really doesn't matter, as long as everyone hits the important downbeat at the right time.

Edd

Edd: Ok, great, we can agree on this 3/8 4/4 thing!

As for Bodhisatva, fine, stick with what you prefer. As you say, as long as everyone can tap along without getting lost, it doesn't matter much how you do it. I have to make a strong conscious effort to count 2 and 4 on the first two drum hits to make sure i get the right feel. Otherwise, it's very easy to settle on the first hit as being '1'. Either way, as long as you're there when the guitars come in, fine. Now, if they'd only have left a count-in on the track there would be no problems ...

Now i think about it, there are a couple of Police songs that are even worse in this respect. They start off, and you think 'fine, I can tap my foot to this one ...', then afetr a period which can be anything between 4 bars and 40 seconds, you hear a little 'jump' in the beat, and suddenly you're thrown ... For a while you don't know what hit you, then you realise you were tapping to the off beat instead of the on beat, or vice versa. Spirits in the material world was the worst one for this. I would listen to it a hundred times, and the intro and first verse would always be heard one way (with the guitar chops being *on* the beat) then suddenly, a beat would go 'blip', and once in the chorsu i could lock on to the real beat. From there on I was fine. It took me a long while to be able to do the mental 'flip' on the first verse so i was hearing it the right way!

Same thing with Bodhisatva really, except you only have 4 bars to do the 'flip'.

OK, enough of this musical waffle. We don't want to bore people here ...

Josie: watch out, this place is dangerous.

Howard

By sheer luck today I passed through Elizabeth's room. As she was not at the terminal, I glanced at the screen and read. Now I understand why there's all this conundrum on the TV about banning the internet and sending to jail all you sick people. I would advise you to stop all this activity or I'll be forced to contact the police to let them know that there is soliciting and child pornography on this internet browser.

One has to imagine just how smart Liz's mom is. She just gets her first glance at the web and immediately knows how to post a reply and what fields can be filled in with bogus info...

JoeM: I think you're right about the apple/scrapple rhyme in JOSIE. The word 'scrap' would have been good for that line, but didn't fit the meter; so add a syllable, rhyme it with apple and nod again to Mr. Parker and his band. My question is: What was Charlie P thinking when he named his song? Sometimes those jazz and blues guys would write a song just because they had a good breakfast (or something similar). scrapple--seasoned ground meat mixed with meal, sliced, and fried. apple--some food or a large metropolitan area in the Northeastern USA. Maybe the Dan were referring to a Beatles record (remember the big apple picture on the vinyl discs?)

Ruby: Black Friday is the correct answer (to the fade-in question). Did that come straight from the random access part of your brain or did you have to research it?

St. Al: First you become a sailor, then you do your guestbook up in blueprint blue, then you spell your name with a lisp, and finally you find yourself standing in a seedy bathroom, Mr. Happy in hand, humming along with JOSIE. If there's something you need to tell us, we can talk it out till daylight.

RS

Markus: You asked about Cornelius' solo albums, he actually released a couple. "A Clear View" in '82 and "Beacon" in '83 were both released on Broadbeach Records and are extremely hard to find.

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Roy.Scam: That was an interesting supranormal happening - I mean Black Friday being somehow in the air when you had asked for an answer. Methinks Ruby mentioned Black Friday after listening to a passionate cover version performed live by late 70's band LAKE. But who knows 4 sure?

RRRubee: glad you like it!

StAl: g'morning!

George: What would be even more supranormal is if the stock market crashed today (ulp...F-F-F-Friday the 13th) in the wake of our prophetic discussion.

Geo: I don't remember the band LAKE. Any relation to Emerson and Palmer?

Happy Friday, Don't let it fall on me, RS

Hello for Steely Dan likers. I hope being remembered for before. Here is that I'm thinking if TOMORROW'S GIRLS are telling jokes each one to the other. Please laugh hardly.

Not-My-Nancy: What is that has 3 balls and is from outer space? Not-My-Brenda: And I do not know. Not-My-Nancy: Then that is E.T. the Extra-testicle.

Yortek

EddCote- what is the Boston Rag? Has Boz Scaggs ever gotten together with W or D in any other gig besides NYR&SR?

So I just want to confirm that the various S*oracles* agree that "My Rival" has *never* been done live(?)???? -also upon reflection I continue to think that "Everyone's Gone To The Movies" ala '96 was one of the best *live* syntheses :Josie,Home At Last&Black Cow were awewsome too- ok so "Do It Again"& "Midnight Cruiser" soothed the soul too- and maybe "Green Earrings" & DTMA..............

Clas, so does that make you a US govt. employee? No wonder you have so much time on your hands.

Howard, welcome, didn't see you there. What's your beverage?

BKsSon, could not have said it better, thanks.

Alternate vocalists: if the Dan had to play a gig, no getting out of it, but Donald's vocal chords were gone for the day, who would be a great stand in?

What's the word on the Rockola gigs? I wanted like all hell to be there.

maj.

Anthony: Hi there. Beverage? A fine scottish malt with a splash of water usually does the trick. Am in the process of tasting my way through Scotland, but Macallan seems to be the winner so far.

Does anyone have any info on which SD CDs are the best in terms of being glitch free? My Aja CD has a bad one on the repeat part of the intro to Josie (just before the outtro starts) - it jumps about 5 or 10 milliseconds or something. The CD has no scratches etc, so it must be a bad pressing. Anyone else have any problems with theirs? I remember reading something about bad batches of CDs, but does anyone have the numbers of the good ones?

Howard

what is a pinshot anyway?!?

Roy.Scam: I just thought of it. Black Friday WAS the main topic. I could hear it the moment you asked the question.

Anthony: Hello! Alternate vocals? Heaven forbid! Well, you've got imagination and I like that. I'm thinking that Rick Ocasek would be interesting. He could do Hey 19 and maybe Show Biz Kids. I haven't seen or thought of him in a long time. What's he doing these days?

George: It's one of my favorite tapes. All I had to do was let George do it!

RB

Stend'or of the Rill: Congratualtions on winning the Millenium Anthem song contest. However, I think that once you get a peek at some of the seedier portions of Los Angeles, you may decide to get an early start on moppifying the planet!

Later, Beautiful Survivor

My first dive into HTML hell and I didn't fry!!! There is hope for me yet.

new to this shit, but not the band, who or what is that introducing the live version of bodhisattva on the cd? Hmmmmmm? it is wonderful and reminds me of the good old days at santa monica civic....hehehehheh...begs the question, IF there is a recording of this tune @ SMCC aren' t there some more??? I always wanted to kiss a mule....

Anthony: I think that Joe Jackson would be a good stand-in for Fagen. He has Donald's nasal croon down pat and he has some strong jazz leanings.

m.e.

Moray Eel, a great choice for a DF stand-in. Not only does Jackson have the nasal croon and jazz leanings, he also has the attitude to get it across.

Rockola was great again! They played till 4:00 am and the crowd loved it. Drew Zingg sat in on a couple of tunes and really ripped it up. All in all it was a great night, even Bob and Kinky were getting along and taking pictures together.

a steely dan web site reason enough for the existance of the internet

What! Bob and Kinky getting along?? Tell us more LoveBob.

Anthony: Good hypothetical question (but a bit like asking whose going to take Jordan's place if the Bulls have to play without him.). I think Sting is your man for vocal stand in. When he sings "..when the world is spinning down..", he sounds like a really decent synthetic Fagen. However, he's not as good on the high notes, so you may want to get Al Jarreau for TRANS ISLAND SKYWAY (Check out Al's ROOF GARDEN). I would also like to hear (and see) Sade do BOOK OF LIARS in case Walter has to miss a gig.

Moray E.: Joe Jackson would be a good stand in for Ben Folds if Todd Rundgren wasn't available. Joe's too bitter and volatile to be a cool, philosophical jazz cat for two hours.

Happy Dad's Day, everyone; here's hoping your kids never find you drunk and passed out in the front yard with a Santa Claus suit on, RS

Anthony: I know it's been thought of before by DF & WB themselves, but I would go with Gerry Rafferty. He has a laid back, slick tone, which although may not emulate Fagen's chewy style to a tee, would still suit the songs very well.

I imagined all these different voices singing 'Do it again' and he was probably the best. I was desperately trying to choose Mike McDoobie, (best voice in the biz in my opinion), but he is too much a of a 'singer', as it were, to bring out the right kind of emotion in Dan melodies. Still by far the best choice for back up vocals.

Roy Scam: R U sure about Sting? I don't quite hear it on that example you gave. Maybe a few more listens will do the trick. Your right on the Sade point though. Would suit her repetoire no problem.

Let me run a f***ing outlandish thought by you guys. You can all no doubt remeber 'Faith' or 'Freedom 90' by George Michael. Imagine him in that style doing Trans Island Skyway. That agressive (not careless) whisper. I think it would sound pretty damn good.

Opinions?

Laters

pretzel wham haters

Pete: thanx. extremly hard to find. hm. itīs record quest time again, it seems. press SHIT to begin.

bye

Markus

Rockola at Le Bar Bat last Saturday night was Great ! (As usual !) I can't believe their harmonies. Some great Beatles recreations.

Pete, do you know where Bob puts all that hair during the first set ? Thanks again for the guest list help and hospitality.

Reelin: Thanks for the table and chairs ! Did Bob ever get a +9V ?

Keep an eye out for action figure pix on our website ! I'll be back with more info...

Quick Steely Question Anyone: Did they always use the same female background singers ? Thanks !

re: backup singers

No, but a few (Venetta Fields and Sherlie Matthews come to mind) are pretty active on the session scene and got used quite a few times.

Edd

Has there ever been a better summertime/sunny weather/poolside/at the beach/goin' to an amusement park/whatever collection of tunes than that which appears on "Kamakiriad"??? "Trans Island Skyway", "Florida Room", "Springtime"... The lyrics and upbeat tempo of these tunes and others on Kama simply exude a summertime sensibility and provide IMHO the quintessential summer activity soundtrack.

Yeah, okay... I was blasting it yesterday whilst sipping a cold one in the sun... Can you tell? I hadn't listened to it in a while and I had a kind of resurgent/re-awakening experience while listening. I've always loved this neo-Fagen classic but (like everything else in the SD calalog) it just keeps getting better and better with age.

"I was born yesterday..."

Joe

Howard: Substitute? With gun at my head: Boz Scaggs would be my pick for stuff like Kama and Katy Lied. Maybe Joe Jackson for the Katy works. Sting? - good jazz leanings with resonance but often sings flat Perceptive short analysis of Stuart Copeland's intricate and powerful drumming with the Police - Although Synchronicity was more of a "critical" and sales success, Copeland much more interesting to listen to on the first 4.

SFN and DR.Mu: Since you all have questioned my judgement about using Sting for the hypothetical Dan-Without-Don concert, I'm going to do the manly thing and switch sides. Gerry Rafferty would be a good choice for the middle range numbers; wasn't Rafferty the lead vocalist on STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH YOU, which would give him credentials for singing the more growly, Dylan-like material like BARRYTOWN. One problem though, I can't picture Gerry Rafferty hitting "...wear the weary hours down.." without doing serious urological damage. Jesse Colin Young (SUNLIGHT, DARKNESS DARKNESS) could hit the high stuff nicely, but I'm not sure whether he's still alive. Anybody know?

Joe M: Kama is the best summer vacation record since Brian Wilson waved goodbye and began running from mental health. Unfortunately, just as I'm reaching Florida room euphoria, he hits me with ON THE DUNES and I start crying into my cold one and wishing it would rain; then he drags that melancholy ending out for three minutes and turns me into a sunburned squonk. That is one seriously non-festive song.

Oooooooooooh Miami, RS

Edd--rite on 6/11.

Howard--I think everybody forgives you.

Kinky--I was about to cut you some slack but forget it, slimebucket.

Mo-Ray et al.--Sting is too pretty. I'd rather hear someone do it who didn't sound a lot like Fagen but would put his own spin on tunes--say Tom Waits, or say on "Walk Between Raindrops" Mel Torme (anybody hear him with Was/Not Was?). Joe Jackson is a good call , especially for something like "Josie."

Roy O'Scam--My fave version of "Don't Get Around..." is Mose Allison's. But I dearly love him doing "Do Nothing 'Til You Hear From Me'--one of my favorite jazz lines ever: "Why people'd tear the seam of anyone's dream/Is over my head."

Would love to hear more about the LBB party/ies.

Ruby--bet that jacket would look baaaad with those high heel shoes.

RS: Yeah, Rafferty would be better suited for pre-Katy. I have a fantasy where someone breaks into the vaults and erases Mark Knopfler's vocals from every Dire Straits' song and replaces them with Gerry Rafferty's. It worked for part of a soundtrack: Local Hero I think?

I can't think of anyone with the right combination of attitude and adenoids to replace Donald...

Edd

Oleander - I was about to actually believe that you were one of the few people here with some intelligence, but I can see that I was wrong. I take it that your last comment towards me was in regards to that recent post by some idiot who misspelled my name. To me it's fairly simple to recognize a person's writing style or personality, but I guess I'm in the minority here. So Oleander, if someone posts under your name, sounding nothing like the sweet, innocent, educated doctor/mother that you've posted as in the past, I'll make sure that I don't cut you any slack either.

Edd Cote - I see that you are, in fact, still here and popping up in your usual timely fashion whenever you can enlighten us with your vast knowledge of Dan trivia. But Edd, the one question that was directed at you some posts above, went unanswered (from Cretaceous). Does this possibly mean that you don't have an answer? I myself would like to hear it.

BTW, Rockola rocked! Great Bodhisattva! Gold Keith where were you?

"Little Kawai" makes a great Father's Day song.

eel-y one: Have you heard Joe Jackson's "Jumpin' Jive" recording from the mid-eighties?? Jazz covers. "What's the use of getting...(finish it, Clas)"

From the "No Shit" department: Yesterday while driving in suburban Yardley PA, mrs. maj. noticed a landscaper's vehicle with the following painted on the side: "Dan Steely, Landscaping (Phone number)". I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Man, did I suck on the golf course Saturday!! I couldn't drop one fucking putt!! 18 holes of "Where the Hell Am I?" Pathetic.

In an interview with Donald on NPR maybe, about Kama, he had some interesting comments about wanting Kama to be an excellent driving recording, that it sounds great in the car, cool rolling bubble, hwhaddeveryh. Guess we can add pool to the list. I actually had the CD cover in hand yesterday to play it, but couldn't find the disc.

My local CD store just went out of business. While I'm sorry to see it go, I got Citizen unopened, brand new, for $30.00 and I think I'll give it to my nephew, the drummer, who has been taking a liking to traditional jazz.

Is anyone familiar with any Whack remixes or outtakes. I'd really like to get ahold of "hard Up Case" without the drum machine track.

Lemme know.

maj.

I guess you're in the minority here again Hal but, I do believe you indicated recently that you would be "taking a hike" and that "this place sucked..."

Well, what gives my adolescent moppet? When did you plan on taking that much anticipated and eagerly awaited hike?

I have to admit though, his insightful and well thought out commentary on what went down at Le Bar Bat was quite profound... "Rockola rocked! Great Bodhisattva!" Jeez, I almost feel as though I were there. And to think, if Kranky had in fact taken that hike, we might not be privy to this sort of impressive show of intelligence.

I bet Rockola rocked. Damn.

maj.

There was a band back in the late 70s, early 80s that was, perhaps consciously, a Steely Dan wannabe band (major label-forget which)that used the girl backup trio concept quite effectively. Several LP sellers I've seen have referred to this band as a Steely Dan type for categorization purposes. Songs were fairly decent, actually. Name of band starts with letter B. First correct answer gets a personal e-m letter of recognition from yours truly. Take a stab!

Cret3

Roy.Scam: I believe Jesse Colin Young is still with us... I seem to recollect he was on the summer recreation park tour last year...

Oleander: Has Mel T. recovered from his stroke?

You're makin' me sickly My head is spinnin' Like your whirlpool, But it never ends! It's you GUYS making it Such a MALE spin You're makin' me puky...BBBWWWAAAAAAAAKKKK...ugh...

GRK KOR US @ nothin story of hirsute butt

Listening to a fill-in singer for DF would be most unsatisfying to listen to. His voice is more like another instrument playing a part than "crooning", as most singers would want to do. This is one of the qualities of their music that make them unique. So, cancel the gig until DF is able.

My last post seemed to spawn a good debate on who played the "Green Earing" guitar solos. Why couldn't it be the same player for all three sections?

Listening to a fill-in singer for DF would be most unsatisfying to listen to. His voice is more like another instrument playing a part than "crooning", as most singers would want to do. This is one of the qualities of their music that make them unique. So, cancel the gig until DF is able.

My last post seemed to spawn a good debate on who played the "Green Earing" guitar solos. Why couldn't it be the same player for all three sections?

Mr Cretaceous: The only band I really feel ever sounded like the Dan was Brand X, a UK outfit comprising, at times, Dave Greenslade and Phil Collins among others!

I do not think that this is right though, even though they begin with a Bee. I only have instrumentals by them, and I am not sure if they did much lyrical work so I do not know about their back up singers.

Their emulation of the Dan was not so much a question of style but more of precision. Similar in that this was the professional's band, made up from the UK's session elite (we have some, and I stress "some", top class session musos here too!)

If I am not right, check them out any way. Maybe I could win a consolation prize for original thinking!!!!!

Roy Scam: Yep! Mr Rafferty did sing SITMWY with Stealers Wheel, I believe. I quite like that song. Naturally, I also rate his Baker Street very highly. However, he has not done much else that I really wish I had bought.

Another song, as we are all in the summer mood, so it seems, which is of that Stealers Wheel mould is 'Daydream' by the Loving Spoonful. I like that one to.

Kamakiriad is serious top down wind in your hair stuff. florida room is my favorite number, closely pursued by TIS and Countermoon. My top moment though is the Trombone solo in Teahouse. But I am not too keen on Springtime. A lot of people like that one. It is a bit floaty for me.

Kinkster: I knew that the guy with the 'i' wasn't you. Chill, have a daquari! (is that how it's spelt.)

does no one agree with my george michael idea? or do you all think that I am plain stupid? Not that I wan't to see some one sing his songs, but what if DF got chronic laringitis?? These scenarios need to be considered!!

laters

pretzel with marmite

Maj: do you have a tape/CD deck in your golf buggy! The sounds of Florida room on the fairway may improve your game..

I always work best when everyone has pissed off out the office and can spin a few Dan discs through my PC.

In fact I have some golf tips : listen to the following

when waggling - green earings tee off - Kid C fairway to green - Haitian Divorce putting - (for intense concentration) Royal Scam buggying around - any jolly number Peg, Razor Boy, Tomorrow's Girls and so on.

remember, do not break the routine!!

laters

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Sorry Mr Maj I forgot;

Bogey : Deacon Blues, Double bogey : Don't take me alive, Triple bogey : On the dunes,

thats all club man

Sorry kids, had to take a few days off. Down at the house I was cleaning and rearranged stuff and I found my old vinyls. Am I the only one here that got all Steelys records in vinyl? Even two of some?

I refound an old album with James Taylor. I am gonna share some lyrics with you soon. Very moody lyrics.

GEORGE; Got your tape today, gonna listen tonight. Thanx.

ANTHONY: No, not much time at my hands. But much things in my head. Thereīs a thin line between insanity and brilliance. Follow?

Thanx for a good show Bob.

No moisty bods around here today pppppaul cccccc?

Clas (syncronized with the rising moon)

Two years ago, I read an interview of DF and WF telling that they got a project of a new LP, but they wanted to do it only with the best musicians of the world (as usual in my opinion).

Has anyone some information about the next LP of Steely Dan?

Has Mister Donald Fagen other projects (production,composition)?

Clas: man, I too hold all Dan on vinyl (even that dreadful demo thing Sun Mountain)

I am a bit of an audiophile snob, but SD sounds much much better off the black stuff than it does from CD.

James Taylor made a road movie once about a guy who races this old Chevvy. wierd stuff!!!!!

Kermit the Frog would probably do a great 'Reelin' in the years'. Surely the Henson team should invite the Dan onto their show. That would be cool!!!!

laters

pretzel fozzies

San Francisco Knight:

Thanks to my wife's gift of some new audio gear, I recently rebuilt

my rig. During the "dial-in" phase I listened to a wide range of

audio software amoungst which was my old Brand X platters. They are

far and away the best "fusion" group ever. While I don't hear any SD

influence in there chops, I do agree that the precision play is

similar. Funny that I "rediscovered" Brand X just now. I guess it is

true that great minds wallow in the same muck.

Bookkeepers Son, John Rohland

p.s. I am still waiting on IRC channel #SteelyFanz (EFNet) for some folks with the same obsession.

If you don't know about IRC, try Yahoo, IRC for help.

Cret3: Was the band actually called "Bad Sneakers" ? Did they do the song "Don't Let Him In" ?

Hallo y'all! Back after a fab holiday... Hearing Haitian Divorce in the West Indies was just too, too sensual...

Clas: So I'm geographically handicapped, wot's the big deal?

Thanks Roy for the GU implement info...

I'm trading in this 10 cent life for another one... FineCol

Greetings from Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day...

Like FineCol, I fall into a geographical swoon when the strains of Dr. Wu are describing the waters I grew up on (Miami, for the geographically challenged)

Saw the Dan at St. Pete at the beginning of their 95 tour...(see Live in America, Babylon Sister) and will never forget it. They were superb

Your sophomoronic jive

You're victims of typewriters

Your bands sound like typewriters

Big MAN , you're not listening

GRK KOR US

GRK: Why haven't you worked out your aggressions yet? Feeling lonely? Do you need some attention? Is that why you lash out?

San Fran Knight: Brand X? In the immortal word of Marv Albert: YES!!!

What a band... I had the pleasure of seeing them live in Kansas City on 3 different tours... Phil didn't tour with them in the states... Do you know why they quit recording?

Isnīt this sad stuff, Never Die Young, james taylor, I get moody when I listen to it:

We were ring-around-the-rosy children They were circles around the sun Never give up, never slow down Never grow old, never ever die young

Synchronized with the rising moon Even with the evening star They were true love written in stone They were never alone, they were never that far apart

And we who couldnīt bear to believe they might make it We had to close our eyes Cut up our losses into doable doses Ration our tears and sighs

You could see them on the street on a Saturday night Everyone used to run them down Theyīre a little too sweet, theyīre a little too tight Not enough tough for this town

We couldnīt touch them with a ten-foot pole No it dinīt seem to rattle at all They were glued together body and soul That much more with their backs up against the wall

Hold them up, hold them up Never do let them fall Pray to the dust and the rust and the ruin That names us and caimes us and shames us all

I guess it had to happen someday soon Wasnīt nothing to hold them down They would rise from among us like a big ballon Take the sky, forsake the ground Yes other hearts were broken Other dreams ran dry But our golden ones sail on, sail on To another land beneath another sky

C

FINE COL; I donīt follow you here, what do you mean? Clas

SFN: The movie with James Taylor was TWO LANE BLACKTOP; it also had Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys. Both were rather wooden as I recall. For some really decent rock star acting, check Robbie Robertson in CARNY (1980) with Gary Bussey and Jodie Foster. And Levon Helm in COAL MINER'S DAUGHTER or FEELING MINNESOTA. Another unexpected acting appearance is the knife fight between Carl Perkins and David Bowie in INTO THE NIGHT (I was rooting for Carl). You'll probably want to miss Sting in DUNE and Ric Ocasek in HAIRSPRAY. But, by all means, whatever happens, don't miss the acting of Michael Mcdonald and the other Doobies on WHAT'S HAPPENING. Roger and Rerun got a proper lecturing that day I assure you.

I'll stop now before I embarass myself by mentioning Harry Nillson on THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR, the TUBES on SCTV, and Ted Nugent and Phil Collins on MIAMI VICE,

RS

Slow down, you colonials talk to fast for us tardy europeans. Love the site hope to spend more time here. Steely Dan soundalikes- The late lamented Scottish wannabees Danny Wilson, Howard if he is here will know waht I am talking about. Unashamedly wearing it, sleevewise. The first album, Meet Danny Wilson, was a critical success, but failed to live up to promise, as has the solo career of the main song writer- Gary someone. Marimbas and do-be-do-be-do. Check it out. DF standins? Paul Buchanan of the blue nile can sound like he's has a prairie dawg up his nose but can falsetto with the best. Possibly a bit dour. Who took a little what? with sugar?

My musical diet in high school was Steely Dan and the Tubes. I guess that explains alot, maybe not, maybe, oh, I don't know.

It's TV Suicide, what an ugly way to die...

maj.

SFKnight: I loved your George Michael idea! And your golf tips. And what's a marmite? It sounds cute.

Anthony@: Was the idea of a DF substitute necessarily meaning that we must produce a DF sound-alike? Every decent vocalist would put their own twist on things, right?

Oleander: Thanks! I got the jacket, NEED the shoes!

I was listening to some Allman Bros and I heard a song that reminded me of WB. It's called Wasted Words. I think he could have written that. The epitome of a "don't preach to me" song.

Maj: I didn't get to go, either. It like a rock in my shoe...

hey folks--

i've been on a little trip to japan. it's actually the rainy season there, so not much 'shine of your japan' happening, but it was a good trip. oh the joy of jetlag....

quite a chore, wading through a week or more worth of posts, but all the charm and graciousness on this board makes it all worthwhile. after all the talk way back there about edd and his breakdowns, i would like to add a bit of something.

i had a bit of a discussion about this with mr. cote when he first presented us with his analysis, but i would now like to point out to everybody that the time signature in 'time out of mind' is actually a relatively simple and totally consistent pattern. it's made up of a bar of two-four, followed by a bar of four-four, followed by a bar of two-four. The pattern then repeats over and over, for the rest of the song, with the exception of the instrumental brmy f

let's try counting everybody--1-2, 1-2-3-4, 1-2 (again) 1-2, 1-2-3-4, 1-2 etc. the tricky part is where that measure of two-four repeats, giving it that weird 'hiccuping' feel. it's like pickup notes, followed by pickup notes again.

the pattern is particularly obvious in the chorus. give it a listen. trust me here, i'm a trained professional.

by the way, the groove in 'my rival' reminds me of the don henley song, 'dirty laundry.' am i alone here?

trivia--what dan alumnus played on that song?

peace,

rabbit

p.s. kinky--i would never has mistaken that stupid joke post for one of yours. it was not nearly pretentious and inflated-sounding enough.

are you really leaving us forever? say it ain't so!

I have got to wonder about this? I to am a big Tubes fan. We just know great music.

I had an hour to absorb Da Dan at mega- decibels after work today (before the family got home). On Citizen disk 3, track 2 (Any World...), about 3/4 into the song Hal Blaine breaks the drums down to using the stick on the snare rim. I had never noticed before but, it sounds like there could be something else mixed in exactly with the rim tap. My best guess is a muted guitar strum. If you can play it loud, see if you can hear something there. I can't be sure.

I have no business second guessing the masters but, I would like to hear Fez without the synth strings. The song would have a Jamaican flavor but for those strings.

Thoughts?

Cret3 - Could you possibly be speaking of the Bliss Band? Afterall, it begins with the letter B, and they probably were reminiscent of the Dan's sound because they used many of the same musicians, including Michael McDonald and Jeff Baxter. As I recall, that effective girl backup trio concept also featured some SD alumni.

Does this mean that I will receive a personal e-m letter of recognition?

Everybody give a clap to Kinky for guessing the Bliss Band as a band that tried with some success to recapture the Dan feel!! First album especially pretty decent.

By the way, did anyone see the Letterman show with Farrah acting strange? You see, I'm founding an Archives of the Bizarre and would really appreciate a video copy of this segment to add to the growing collection. Anyone hear of the Presley rendition of "My Way" where he breaks out into uncontrollable laughter, forgets lyrics, etc.??

This is a great guestbook.

Cret3

Everybody give a clap to Kinky for guessing the Bliss Band as a band that tried with some success to recapture the Dan feel!! First album especially pretty decent.

By the way, did anyone see the Letterman show with Farrah acting strange? You see, I'm founding an Archives of the Bizarre and would really appreciate a video copy of this segment to add to the growing collection. Anyone hear of the Presley rendition of "My Way" where he breaks out into uncontrollable laughter, forgets lyrics, etc.??

This is a great guestbook.

Cret3

LOL over the various choices for stand-in vocalist! I waiver between wanting an artist that will put his/her own spin on the Dan tunes and an artist with the vocal skills to sound like Donald. Billy Joel used to have this ability (the latter). Of course the former might be more entertaining. How about Louis Armstrong? Yeah he's dead but it is a hypothetical situation, right?

A fine line? I'm a simple barkeep who likes Steely Dan, and I can't analyse any of it. What are you saying, eh?

Hey, Crutaceous - I caught Farrah on Letterman - She was some space cadet for sure - If I cared for Letterman, I'd probably watch more of him, and would have caught SD on his show back in 1995 - My (huge) loss. The pet peeve I have about the airplay on FM stations here in the Ottawa, Ontario area, is that they play only two songs (predominantly) of Steely Dan - "Reelin" and "Do It Again." Never "True Companion" or from Fagen's other solo efforts.

And yes, "Kamikiriad" is a great driving tape/cd; but so is "The Nightfly." No other artist can conjure up images with either words or music like Donald Fagen. So many influences come out in his work.

Fine Col; now I got it, you meant Bjork. Isnīt she awful? Iīd like to strangle her.

San Fran; Yes, the vinyls sounds better. The problem with my blacks is that they are so scratched and whacket up. I canīt play them anymore.

What about this roadmovie with Taylor, is it good or just weird?

What is Rafferty doing these days? He did some great stuff, I liked him a lot.

Ole Ander or/and Ruby: What does Taylor mean with this line; ...cut up our losses into doable doses, ration our tears and sighs...

Well, I will be gone for a while now so if you donīt here from me for a couple of hours shit, no weeks, donīt worry. But if we are lucky I may connect meself on the net down at the house, let us all pray for that.

Love you all, and I mean ALL of you, even Ruby and YGK. Have a great summer!

Clas is happy, and remember:

never grow old, never ever die young.

Ruby Baby: I am pleased your thought my GM idea didn't suck. By the way, Marmite is an English institution. Quite simply it is a spread that you put in sandwiches, on toast etc etc. It is made from yeast extract and was developed, I beleive, as an alternative to beef stock, bovril (if you guys know them), which of course was rather scarce during the war years. It has a very savoury taste, but it is one feature of the true english family breakfast life. Like marmalade. It is pretty damn nice!!!

The Australians have something called Vegimite which is similar but no where near as good. I work with an Australian who said she preferred the taste of Vegimite. My english colleagues told her to foxtrot oscar. We are that proud of our heritage here!!!

Clas: Bye. yep, that Taylor movie is a tad moody. Not one for the wife! Sorry to hear about the vinyl

Roy Scam: Thanks for that film info. I have actually seen most of them. Into the Night was particularly enjoyable.

Doc Kelly & The Accountants Spawn: Good to see some compatriots in the Brand X field. I am not sure as to why the parted. i have a feeling it was more of 'something to do' twixt commitments rather than 'let's form a new band'.

Kinky: Now, I do not bear any grudges having heard that you won that little Bliss Band teaser. BUT.... how can you be so down on the Dan alumni here for talking, shooting the shit and living the Dan when it is mega apparent that you know shit loads more than 97.9999% of us about them. Do we warrant your disaproval in the way that we have behaved recently. If we had your knwoledge, would you view us differently.

I was secretly hoping that my Brand X answer was correct. kinda like hoping that it would be hot in the shteland Isles!!!

laters pretzels with honey

Doc Kelly, San Francisco Knight

Brand X is alive again. these days they are touring Germany. ofcourse without Phil, but with Goodsal and Percy Jones and one more original member. To my knowledge, Phil founded the band in 75 as an opposite to Genesis, in regard to thick sounds, costumes and this other stuff which made Genesis an Art Rock band. he wanted something more loose. but by the time members and especially Phil had become too busy in other projects - so that Brand X in fact existed as two groups, recording in different shifts - see e.g. "Swan Song" and "Product". in addition, under the influence of Phil, Genesis threw away some ballast, songs and attitude became "lighter". summed up there was no reason for keeping the group alive.

this is what was written in an interview Phil gave to, i think, "Fachblatt Musikmagazin", a German non-yllow-press magazine directed to musicians.

Damn, were they good.

My personal comment is, that in the end, Philīs influence was too big. he even sang on some tunes. for me, that became too commercial, or, boring. nevertheless, one of the best fusion groups ever. they have also a new release out, which i have not listened to, so far. there was another sign of life some time ago, besides the rerelease of the old records...

hope that this is of interest for you...

regards

Markus

Markus: you are the man. Thanks for that info. it just goes to show that musical circles hate transmitting news about quality music, whilst freely filling our ears with voluminous amounts of shite, hour by hour!!!

You bring good tidings my friend.

I have never been a Genesis fan. But I do believe that Mr Collins is a rather good drummer. He has undoubtedly lost a lot of cred since he started opening his mouth mind you.

I am of to a few Audiophile record stores at the weekend and will check out what 'X' is available.

laters pretzel with sauerkraut

Kinky: Congrats on another successful use of your profound knowledge! I was unable to attend Rockola due to "familial ob's" - (goddaughter watching) perhaps she would have dug Rockola, but I know that she would dig the Dan. So, another opportunity come and gone - alas, we will have another - perhaps at a Dan or Dan-related gig (like Cornelius, or Zing - you would see Zing, now, wouldn't you).

So did they cover any Dan this time?

It amazes me how, if I just scroll through certain party's posts, that I feel no aggression, hostility, or anger, nor am I confronted with sophomoric stupidity. Try it sometime - amazing!

Oleander: You fibber you! Did your friend ever check out 12th Street? How come you don't visit like you said?

YGK

If you've not been there in a while, you might want to check out The Official Dan Web site mail for 6/11/97. There's lots of your typical Beckerisms and some hints re:The Tour and The Album... Nothing much mind you but, it's worth a look.

YGK--me? fibber? Not! It's called $ & family--which you know about, you old babysitter you. Keep your ears open, though! It Will Happen!

Kinky--the only things I know for sure about you are that you are volatile and love to play the curmudgeon. If you didn't post the smut, why didn't you disavow it? I'll accept your denial and pay out the rope a little. "Innocent?" Great, I've got 'em all fooled.

Open Letter to St. Al--I've got a First Amendment question for you, and for all GB'ers. Remember some time back when a couple of revolting pictures were beamed into the GB from Planet Porno? You quickly deleted them, to the explicit relief of several of us. Now what is the difference between them and the "Kinki" "jokes?" One's words and one's pix, but are they not cut from the same cloth? And are they not different from previous discussions of pedophilia (in the context of Ginsberg's death)? Will you treat something in words that is clearly pornographic differently from something that is a visual image? And has no redeeming Steely value to boot? And does the First Amendment even apply to this privately-owned-and-operated GB? You could choose to delete all my posts, or even Kinky's if you wanted. Is deleting certain content a "slippery slope?" I'll just tell you this--in my career I've treated (as patients) murderers, rapists, addicts, spouse and child abusers, a pedophile, prostitutes. on & on, and I've found MY line--about child sexual abuse I am absolutely humorless, and I'm unwilling to play the "ignore ignore" game with this kind of shit. (Though I admire YGK's mouse-driven transcendence)

O King of the Page, Steward of the GB, Drone of the Web, what is to be done?

Test

Test test test, tes

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What a week I had. First, the neighbors found out who I was and I had to stash everything and move out (Thank God there was gas in the car.) Then I was looking at some prehistoric art and I heard that my father out west was angry and I had to spend the night in a house full of explosives. The next day I was so busy being reborn and collecting union dues that I didn't have time to see the show. Then I had this argument with my wife: she keeps wanting me to fool around without wearing a hat or a condom. I got so mad, I took back her jewelry (She told me it was making her skin turn green anyway.) Then I bought her a Caribbean vacation and she ended up getting pregnant by some greaseball; then last night I come home and she's been cheating on me again, and won't tell me about it, and my furniture doesn't even know me. And to top it all off, I find out that my gullible relatives took the iron boat and went to New York to look for the promised land. It's weeks like this that make a man want to just move to the far east and sit under a tree.

RS

Markus: You are, indeed, the man!! I'll be visiting the local CD shop right after work tonight... Percy Jones is still with the band... Fantastic! He is one monster bassist! He is the first bassist that I ever heard sliding harmonic notes (similar to sliding notes on a fretless axe) ROUTINELY!!!!!! Is Phil still associated with the enterprise? My fav LP = Unorthodox Behavior (their first, I believe)

Maj: Regarding your 7 days ago query...just a case of temporary moniker unavailability (kind of left it in my other pants, if you will)...

JoeM: Thanks for the link..."Green Acres"/Green Earrings parody was amusing...as were Walter's editorial comments...

Back to the Cows, mWorld

StAl: I must support Oleander on this one, I believe Kinky's jokes are no laughing matter and he must be banned from this GB. As a social gathering we must have standards and this is clearly crossing the line.

Kinky: Saying you are sorry doesn't help and certainly will not do a thing to improve my image of you as a sick individual.

Clas

Oops!

Last summer, during Sunday night chats, we'd get a good laugh over the thought of Katherine Hepburn handling the vocals for Steely Dan. Imagine Hepburn wavering through, "can you hear me doctor".

Another one for the chat gang: MAYWLTALBOWMTPD.

No coincidence about the Tubes-SD connection for us, it's that iNtuitive thing again.

Since I'm in the reminiscing mood:

"At first it was a pullzer: Why would this studio band, adamant for so many years about not touring, reuntie for the purposes of visiting arenas and ampitheaters from coast to coast? It seemed an unlikely proposition back in the summer of '94, but now the gentlemen of steely Dan have made peace with their role as purveyors of classic '70s radio fare, and they're unabashed about coming around again. They've got a new set list (more album tracks) and a new band, and they'll be doing something they never did back when they were recording: testing out new Steely Dan material, in advance of an album all parties swear will be finished by the millenium. Word is that at least three songs will be new, which means there may be less room for the solo musings of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen. Which, depending on your perspective, may be more good news." -- Tom Moon, Philadelphia Inquirer, July 19, 1996.

Three-putting a green: "Do It Again"

laters.

maj.

Forgot to say, on this Kinky issue I must say that we shouldn't be silly.

Kinky is a pompous pig and he clearly believen in his own superiority but he is certainly not a pedophile and his jokes are harmless. Just a little "risque".

laters, now.

maj.

maj: here's the first half: WWSADW SIAT

The 1st amendment according to StAl.....

This is a difficult issue. From the very core of my being I firmly believe in the concept of free speech. It is necessary and it is mandatory. The reason for this is simple. Why should I allow another human determine what is acceptable for me to read or see? What the hell do they know? Certainly no more than me. It is from the position that my actions and conduct as "moderator" of this GB arise. Actually, moderator isn't a good term to use. Though I certainly have the ability delete comments, I can not stop the instantaneous process in which a post can occur.

Censoring someone on this forum would be a tough thing to carry out. It would require a diligent effort on my part to monitor this page at all times. Frankly, I can't always do this. I've found it far more effective to simply ignore the offending post. Child Pornography is my "private line" as well. Ole -- as a doctor I'm sure you understand more than most the difficulties of boundaries, lines and who determines their placement. Some draw theirs on the abortion issue. Who is right? The pictures that Oleander refers to were deleted by me not because of their offensive content, but because they were rather large and they didn't belong on the GB.

Didn't belong you say? Well what about Kinki's comments. Certainly these comments are more offensive than some bestiality shots....

Are they? Who the hell am I to determine this?

At the time I first read the comments I thought to myself.."self, this dude is fucked up." But I didn't think much more about it. I chose to ignore it. I now fully understand that this persons online personality is a mess. Which leads me to believe that his real life personality isn't far behind

During last summers tour there was a time when Wayne Krantz was posting to the GB. In fact I believe WB posted once himself. The funny thing is these posts got FAR less attention than when Kinky spews forth a load of his shit. Don't you see, it is nothing more than a need for attention . Walter and Wayne don't need it. "Kinki" does.

I suggest you ignore people that offend you. Though they can cause temporary discomfort, eventually they have to move on to find that attention they crave.

Peace, StAl

M: well...unless and until a description/and or photograph of the purported Kinky/Lovebob tete-a-tedde surfaces here or elsewhere (such as, say, the Fogel page) - until that time, I say that our original theory stands unchallenged. Agreed? and what about the sushi? smooches G

Let's set some things straight (in simple English for those that don't understand):

That post by "Kinki" was not me. In fact, I will go out on a limb here and say that it was probably that Clas-less person that you all sustain in this forum by your constant replies to his nonsense. Is it me, or did anyone else realize that this same person just posted as Doc Kelly (and possibly Major Dude) a few posts above? Or maybe Doc Kelly has been Clas all along...does anyone know?

StAl - It sounds to me like you are referring to "Kinki" and Kinky as the same person. Again, you are wrong. I have never posted under any other name than the one you see on this post, the same one I've been using for over a year. Now you are claiming that I do nothing but spew forth my shit? Why don't you check your archives. I used to post quite a bit of relevant (and I thought) interesting information on SD, and occasionally still do. Although, I must admit, I got tired of these posts being completely ignored by the so-called fans here, while the totally irrelevant and ridiculous posts were the topic of conversation. I've always felt that for many of the people here, this GB is nothing more than a social chat board, which explains the lack of response to my more relevant posts. But afterall, these people don't even respond to WB or Wayne Krantz's posts, as you mentioned yourself. So maybe it's not me StAl, ever think of that?

Gorgeous George - Boy, for such a new persona, you sure sound like you've been around for a while. About Bob Tedde (who also knows quite a bit about the Dan, I might add), he sprung a camera on me and insisted that we take a few for posterity. However, he has the pictures and said he wouldn't post them without my permission. So I guess you and M will have to keep wondering. Geez George, why all the interest in an asshole like me?

RoyScam: Alright, go far east and sit under the tree. You need a rest. But in this type of situation, I think more is called for. Here is what you might do: Go to the Good Hotel(by cab)Use her jewelry as a tip. Order room service(ignore all the prices) Drink a lot of Zombies in the shell(toss shells off the balcony, conking those annoying narcisstic Ken-types sunning themselves by the pool). Get a full-body massage each evening(put those on your room tab,as well. You can always improvise later). Day by day, those memories will fade away...

RB

Deacon Old School: Dan songs spring up at the strangest places. I was eatin' lunch at the local Beef Bowl (Large veggie bowl with a side of beef juice, I know, that's the closest I come to being Vegan!) and all of a sudden, "My Old School".

Rickie Lee Jones Fans : I heard a few cuts of her new CD "GhostyHead", techno meets RLJ. 3 days later I'm still forming an opinion, but I can't get her voice out of my head.

Clas : Ran into my buddie with the shitty CD. I danced around the issue, concentrated on the good stuff (nice cover model, who is going to distribute it, etc.) long enough to skirt the issue of the music. I feel like the Governor called at the 11th hour.

Techno Geeks : Anyone out there ever hear of the CCIE certification?

Good to be back home,

Techno Mo

get your asses to Finland ! ASAP !

GRK : what's the deal with the Joni quotation?

The secret of marmite: don't use too much. With toast + butter, superb.

rabbit: time out of mind time signatures. Hmmmm, I still like plain ol' 4/4. I don't see the need to break up two bars-worth of 4/4 and call it 2/4, 4/4 and 2/4. Why do you figure the song needs to be broken into sections of (2+4+2),(2+4+2) etc? Groups of four seem fine to me, though the numbers of bars in the various sections do some odd things ...

Dr Greenstreet: Damn, thought the green earring solo debate was over. Why can't it be the same player for all three sections? Go home, play Green earrings, and the answer is right there. 3 very different guitar sounds, 3 very different guitar styles. The middle section just HAS to be Denny Dias. No question. The last section is Elliot Randall - I think evryone agreed on that. The first little bit - I don't know. Not Denny: either Larry or Elliot.

Last comment on green earrings: does this sound like a very Walter-flavoured song or what? I reckon he had a big hand in the writing of this one. Similar to Josie (which has to be a largely Walter song, no?) - guitar oriented, simple groove on just a few chords.

OK, gotta go

Howard

Kranky,

Are you really that f_cking stupid? In simple english so you can understand... quotation marks, like those used in StAl's post - i.e. "Kinki" - subtly indicate that he is NOT implying you are the same person! You are such a clueless moron.

...back to the "Kinki" chat board.

PS. Goin' hiking soon?

Doc Kelly:

Percy is something else, i appreciate him a lot. i am not a bass player, but can one say that he is influenced by Jaco? Did you know that he has three soloalbums out? "Cape Catastrophe", "Propeller Music", both from 1990, both on EfA, and "Percy Jones With Tunnels", released in 93 on Ozone. I confess that my fandom is not so big that i have purchased them. no usual store has them here, and buying by mail order without having the opportunity of listening to it first...At least the first one is said to be far out of this world. They cost about 20 Dollars each.

the original albums of Brand X were released on the Genesis "Charisma" label, the rereleases are not. i just forgot to take a look at the late Genesis albums, to see if "Charisma" is still ongoing, and so i do not know if Phil is still involved in Brand X. By the way, the All-Music Guide lists all of their records! "Xcommunication" is the former "Swan Song", their latest album before dibanding in 82. Phil is a hell of a drummer, i think. he has the fattest bass drum sound around - well maybe Dennis Chambers took over on the "Blue Matter" album of John Scofield. another MUST...

My favourite album also is "Unorthodox Behaviour", but listen to Kenwood Dennard on drums on the "Livestock" album..."way cool" as you say?!

hope this contained a few snippets of useful information for you.

regards

Markus

Yo Clean Willy, if you go back and read StAl's post he didn't use quotes around Kinki the first time he mentioned it, which would lead one to believe he did indeed confuse the two. Unless, of course, you're a moron.

Right you are, Kinky. In things like this, I follow Cornelius's lead in "steering clear of that kind of foolishness".

Oooohhh Babs: I like what you do for me. WYTMAWSOD. Keep it up and you're gonna BLOW......your cover.

Don't accept classless imitations,

majĐ.

Clas: you goof ball.... how's the short term memory????

Markus: I failed to find the new Brand X locally... I'll have to go to the big city... No, I didn't know about Percy's solo efforts... I'll have to check them out! While Percy's style is somewhat similar to Jaco's, I don't believe Percy was seriously influenced by Jaco... it's my recollection that early Brand X was coincident with Jaco's playing with Weather Report... I saw them both live about 20 years ago...

To anybody else having difficulties distinguishing between the real and fake Doc Kelly: If it means that much to you then you can research the archives to find my real name and email address.... You're gonna have loads of fun 'cause I've been here so long I can't really remember... at least 18 months...

Oh well, back to work... Jetskiing tonight!!

Yo The Man Alone, if you go back and read StAl's post, he didn't use quotes around Kinki the first time because he was obviously referring to Kinki - NOT Kinky. Which would lead me to believe that you are, in fact, Kinky and therfore a moron... of course.

Just for the record, I'm under NO illusion that Kinki is Kinky... What a toast.

Um Major, Hal informs me that it's PTMAWYSOD. He's been upgraded to perform fuzzy logic evaluations, to detect hear hits.

But, along those lines, WYPMACBG

Clean Q - It wasn't the quotes around "Kinki", but, you know, if you couldn't figure it out by now, I'm not going to explain it.

kinky--take a break, man. i certainly didn't think it was you that posted those inane and decidedly unfunny jokes. i actually like reading your posts sometimes, especially the relatively few which are free of the condescending, holier-than-thou attitude you so often seem to feel the need to resort to.

relax--there are people listening. but it's a bit difficult wading through all the bitterness, superior attitude, and bile to find those relevant points.

i would love to go on more about your positive points, but considering the way you are constantly trumpeting your own virtues, you leave very little for anyone else to point out.

besides, i'm sure that a mere mortal like myself would naturally have overlooked some points which you, in your infinite brilliance, would find completely obvious. so i guess i won't even try.

howard-- you wrote:

'I still like plain ol' 4/4. I don't see the need to break up two bars-worth of 4/4 and call it 2/4, 4/4 and 2/4. Why do you figure the song needs to be broken into sections of (2+4+2), (2+4+2) etc? Groups of four seem fine to me, though the numbers of bars in the various sections do some odd things ... '

i like plain ol' 4/4 too, but those 'odd things' you mention are an indicator that in this case, we have to put aside our sentimental attachments to our old friendly stand-by time signatures.

i have been playing drums for a long time, and am used to odd signatures. i am certainly not an expert on odd time, but listening to the phrasing, especially in the chorus, that 2-4-2 pattern seems pretty obvious to me.

the drum part is so simple (i might be tempted to say, 'bland') and repetitive, it would be very easy to count the song in normal four. but this is somewhat deceptive.

take, for another good example (a song by a completely unrelated band), 'kashmir,' by led zeppelin. bonham is playing the song as if it were straight 4/4, but the phrasing of the song is obviously in three. three bars of 4 come out even against those four bars of 3, but that is not the point.

if you *really* wanted to, you could count the song in four, but that would be totally ignoring the obvious pattern in the chord changes.

actually i suppose the easiest thing to do with 'time out of mind' would be to count the whole thing in 2/4, but that would be blowing off that repeating middle section which sure 'feels' like a bar of four to me. give it another listen and let me know if you can see what i mean.

tonight when i/ (last bar of 2 from previous phrase)

chase the/ (first bar of 2 in new phrase)

dragon(2,3,4) (middle bar of 4)

the water will/ (last bar of 2 in phrase)

change to/ (first bar of 2 in next phrase)

cherry wine(3,4) (middle measure of 4)

etc.

does this make any sense? work with me here....

peace,

rabbit

Rabbit: I never really thought about it, but, now that I do: it's my recollection that I always thought TOOM was 4/4... at least it was always easier for me to count it that way while playing the bass... of course, it's been 15 years since I've played the song. I never wrote it out because I don't read fast enough to play at real time... as such, I learned it through repetitive practice with a cassette (now I do it with A-B playback on the CD... great invention!!) which was probably the most desirable method since TOOM must be played with feeling AND precision... oh well, I ramble...

The lake was great tonight... skiing on glass at sunset... it doesn't get much better!

Markus, Bookkeepr, Doc Kelly et al:

Thanks for all the Brand X pointers. I shall be seeking some out tomorrow.

I like raddishes.

Howard: You recipe for marmite is second to none. Don't forget you guys, if you are vegitarian, marmite is a good replacement for beef stock!

bye

pretzel & cream cheese

San F. Knight: talking of recipes, pretzel and cream cheese ... now if add just a little marmite to that, a slice or two of tomato ... Oh sorry, this isn't the swap a recipe page? My mistake

Rabbit: no question about kashmir. The four against three is pretty obvious there.

re : time out of mind. When I wrote about 'odd things happening with the numbers of bars' this doesn't really change when you try your scheme. The 'odd things' that happen involve the grouping of bars. You get groups of 8 then a group of 6. On later repeats of some parts (Children we have it right here etc) they change what was a group of 6 to a group of 8 by adding a line.

But - your scheme of 2+4+2 doesn't change this - you still get 'odd' groups of 6 and 8 (or 3 and 4). I think I've spotted the real difference between the way we are hearing this. You say :

'tonight when I/(last bar of 2 from previous phrase)'

This implies that this line is the last 2 bars of the verse (or pre-chorus, whatever you call the previous section). To me this sounds very much like the FIRST bars of the chorus (the dividing line falling in the middle of tonight).

So I count:

tonight when I chase the (first bar of chorus)

dragon (second bar)

In other words, your bar of four on 'dragon' matches mine, but we seem to be counting from a different starting point. I think we can sort this out if we go back to the first line of the verse. I hear it like this:

son you'd better be (LAST bar of an 8 bar guitar intro, i.e this is the 'pick up line')

ready for love, on this glory day, this is your (4 bars of 4/4)

chance to believe what i have to say. Keep your (4 more bars)

eyes on the sky, put a (2 bars of 4/4)

dollar in the kitty, dont the (2 bars of 4/4)

moon look pretty, to - (2 bars. End of verse)

night when I chase the dragon, the (2 bars of 4/4)

water may change to cherry wine and the (2 bars)

silver will turn to gold, time out of mind (2 bars)

With your version, to get to 'tonight when I' as the LAST two bars of the previous section means you must start counting differently from the first vocal line. I'm counting 'ready' as the first beat of the first bar of the verse, but you must be doing something else. It all comes from the use of all the 'pick-up lines' as Edd calls them, i.e the lines that start on the last beat or two of a previous bar : 'Son you'd better be' etc. Maybe you hear these as the start of the first bar of the verse?

This seems to be the main difference here. I go for 'ready' as the first beat of the first bar, and the end of 'tonight' as the first beat of the first bar of the chorus. The horn stab just after 'don't the moon look pretty' seems to be a signal that a section has just ended, i.e (to me) it says : CHORUS starts here!

This way, everything seems to work fine in 4/4, you just have to be sure where the groups of 6 and 8 bars go!

Hmmmm, enough analysis for the moment I think. Anyone agree with this or am I on my own here? What do you think rabbit? Walter? I know you're reading this ....

Howard

Howard: Yes.

YGK: I took you advice and scrolled past the folks talking to themselves...

Howard: Larry, Denny, and Elliott. I'm enjoying your analysis ot the "hiccup" in TOOM. It sounds like it could be 4/4 all the way with "Wendell" turning a few (heart)beats over again, throwing the listener of kilter

...for a while there I thought this was the Kinky Guestbook...

"enought about me, what about you - what do you think of me?"

Does Doc Kelly have the right approach here? Practice til you get it. Count it any way that works for you. Take advantage of technical advances. Then use the extra time you now have to glide smoothly and swiftly over glass at sunset.

That's what I call living!

RB

est

HOWARD: Officially speaking, check your local listings. Hint: more veiled references to the line-drawing issue some here are trying to get others to recognize and STOP.

Too bad W/D don't get off that same ol' tired subject...
I'm beginning to enjoy Muzak versions of their stuff more and more.

OLEANDER: Loved your open missive...

GRK KOR US

I picked up the only Brand X CD the local purveyor had on his shelf tonight; 'Do They Hurt'. With only one listen, and at a low volume, it seems a less than stellar effort.

I also got '11 Tracks of Whack' while there. That one will spin later this evening.

It is a shock to see the prices for CD's these days. I haven't bought any for some time.

I will try to give a more in depth review after I have heard them at a "revealing" decibel level.

Re: Brand X -- IMHO, the older the better!! Preferably "Unorthodox Behavior"... Yeah, I know, I'm being redundant...

Bootleg question: Are the Bootleg CD shows called "Live in '94" {sic} and "Doing it Live" both the same show? They are both listed as St. Louis shows and I'm hesitant.

I would love to see exactly what dates were played by Steely Dan between 8/29/93 and 9/5/93....

Also, was the song Our Lawn performed at Hartford, CT on that tour? If not, where exactly was it played. I have heard opening night in Detroit and in Chicago as well...

Thanks friends

El Sup

SF Knight: I'm afraid I couldn't hear George Michael sing anything, even TRANS ISLAND SKYWAY without hearing Wake me up before you go go. I mean, the guy's got two first names, he wears shorts and leather in his videos, and he tries to have a five o'clock shadow. Rafferty's voice is much more distinctive, aside from the fact that it was his voice that was on the soundtrack when the crook was torturing the guy tied to a chair in RESERVOIR DOGS. DrMU wants to dub Rafferty's voice onto Dire Straits: I can hear a similarity between Knopfler's SO FAR AWAY FROM ME and Rafferty's "If you get it wrong, you'll get it right next time."

Edd C: "Attitude and adenoids". Well put. Good title for a biography or Master's thesis.

When we were reminiscing about Dan-like groups of the seventies, I drew a mental hiccup on the name of the group that did DANCIN' IN THE MOONLIGHT. Anybody remember?

GRK KOR US: So stop your estrogen induced whining and give us the female spin.

Greek Chorus: If a man speaks in the forest and there's no woman there to hear him, is he wrong anyway?

Fine Col: You're welcome; it was my pleasure. Now I must figure out what GU stands for.

major: The Tubes were on an old Fishin Musician skit with John Candy on the Second City TV show. I'd love to get tapes of that series. Also the Tubes were in a pictorial in Playboy magazine (with unclad women , etc,). I've probably got a copy of that one in my attic; I had to buy some for an anthropological research project I was conducting.

Ruby: Thanks for the vacation suggestions. You sound like a person who has been coordinator for a few lost weekends. But what do I do when the VISA bill arrives? Slip over into SIGN IN STRANGER and have my identity changed?

Roy Scam: Shut up. Sign out.

Royal Scam - The group who recorded "Dancin In the Moonlight" was King Harvest, " and was the only song I ever heard of theirs to get air play. And back then, (1971 or 72), I was buying "Guess Who" albums and blues records.

On the issue of having other artists doing SD material, it's no coincidence that the list of possibles is very short - I'd like to see a classy female jazz singer tackle it, like Diana Krall, who also plays piano.

Hey Ruby Baby, do you have a voice that could do it justice? I bet you have a lot of great looking shoes.

Royal Scam - King Harvest was the band that did "Dancin in the Moonlight," and was the only song I know that got airplay. Back in 1971 & 72 I was buying "Guess Who" records, or blues albums.

It's no coincidence that the list of people who merit doing SD material is short. Myself, I would like to see a classy female jazz singer like Diana Krall tackle some of it. She has a great voice, and plays piano as well.

Hey Ruby Baby, do you have a good voice? What kind of shoes would you wear if singing Steely Dan?

St. Al--thanks for your non-sneery response. I brought it up 1) not to let dreck like that go by--qui tacet consentit, right? and 2) to remind my usually situationalist self that there are sometimes lines worth drawing, and that they can be hard to pin down. One thing I had trouble buying, though--if I posted a REALLY HUGE picture of Fagen & Becker giving you a bear hug, would you delete it because it was too big? And saying something doesn't "belong in the GB" begs the censorship question. I suspect you deleted the pix because you were disgusted & wanted them off. But I appreciate the delicacy of your position and your dedication to the 1st Amendment. I may dust off my soapbox occasionally; meanwhile I'll take the middle way of YGK.

RB--have you heard Tuck & Patti's "High Heeled Blues?"

Geek Ko Rus--your first posts gave me a good laugh. Made me think of Woody Allen's most recent movie.

You guys have ruined TOOM for me! I can't dance to the damn thing any more for worrying whether it's 1234 or 12-1234--ouch! stepped on my toe again!

Concert update--saw Bela Fleck & Dave Matthews Band in Charlotte the other night. Very upbeat & fun. Realized why I hate outdoor concerts--as Sartre said, hell is other people--drunk screamer climbing all over the seats behind me, etc. Realized why I love outdoor concerts--the cool breeze, the music wafting to the waxing moon....It was the last night that the Flecktones were on the tour, & Bela came out to do several tunes. Had one absolutely transcendent extended banjo solo....Then all the rest of the Flecktones joined in for the last few tunes, including "Ants Marching..." Watching Carter Beauford with his two-story drum kit duet with Future Man on his drumitar was a pleasure indeed....RB, I'm a bass & percussion slut too, and I fairly swooned to see Future Man and his brother Victor Wooten (on bass) in face-to-face duetitude.

Awright. Basta ya. Whole lotta "Gaucho" goin' on in this neck of the woods.

Ole: Yeah! The Flecktones are awesome!!! Being a bassist myself, every time I see Victor sling his axe around his neck (just to name one of his antics) I get shivers down my spine...

Ole: Pictures of bearhugs - yes, most certainly WOULD get the scissors. This guestbook takes long enough to load. In fact, Edd's cat not withstanding, ANY sort of picture risks deletion. The use of a URL rather than the image itself is totally acceptable. In fact, had that moron merely posted a hyperlink of those pictures I would not have deleted them.

Peace, StAl

El Supremo: I've got a T-shirt from the 93 tour and it has the cities listed on the back without dates... rather than start a dialog regarding when certain shows were on the calendar, I'll list the tour and you can extrapolate the info you desire.

Detroit, Pittsburg, Chicago, Hartford, New York, Mansfield MA, Saratoga Springs NY, Wantagh NY, E. Rutherford NJ, Washington DC, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Houston, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Laguna Hills CA, Devore CA, Mountain View CA, Indianapolis, Nashville, Atlanta, Charlotte, and, finally, Philadelphia

I hope this helps.

RazorBoyjoebj: Definitely red spikes, the higher the better. Also maybe some really sexy boots, if I could find some. But then wouldn't I have to wear a tight leather skirt with a knock-your-socks-off little sweater? I realize, though, that no one would really notice what I was wearing. It would, however, serve to put me in the best possible attitude for back-up.

In my dreams!!

In real life I sing to kids, dogs, plants, whoever is there, God bless 'em. They put up with me!

Oleander: Never heard of Tuck & Patti's High Heeled Blues. Sound right up my alley. I must look into it. I still have to get some Rikki LJ!

RB

Zeke, here.

Been out for a while. So, what's up?? I hate to ask, but any news on the new CD?? Tour??? TV appearances??? Airport sightings??

It's just FRICKIN' HOT down here, man. Africa hot! Planning a trip to Destin Fla. More hot. I like the beach. Got the Dan tunes lined up. I bought the Aja Lp for 3.99. Quite a bargain.

Yea, the James Taylor movie is wierd. He doesn't say much. If you get a chance to see "Guitars, Saxes, and More", check it out. Caught it @ House of Blues.

Zeke out.

St. Al--great idea! just create a link to Inappropriate Content Limbo!

To all those who helped me in the X quest, I acquired 3 mint condition LPs on Saturday. Unorthodox Behaviour, Do They Hurt and Product.

The precise nature really shone through and I am very happy with the purchase. They strike me as a more humorous, and certainly more accessible Mahavishnu Orchestra meets ELO experience (use of vocoders is quite punchy,the spriralling solos lead you somewhere and you know when things start and finish) Makes you wonder what made Phil Collins into the 2nd rate pop star he is now.

Talking of the Mahavishnu, I used to sometimes despair at what John McGlaughlin was doing. I used to listen to Birds of Fire et al, and say "Where are we going today John????"

Also got some great David Sanbourn and some more Chick Corea. Plus 'Those Southern Knights' by the Crusaders. Mr Carltons playing is exquisite. So all in all a good weekend.

Did you guys have a gooden??? Oh yeah, my daughter Chloe rolled over for the first time last night too!!!

laters pretzels & daipers

Roy.Scam: Can't believe someone else remembers the Tubes on SCTV. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they get "blowed up REAL good" by Candy (as Billy Sol Hurok) and Joe Flaherty?

re: "...Edd's cat not withstanding..."

Carefull, bro, Aja's got a hairball with your name on it and she's not afraid to use it.

I felt sort of responsible for the big pictures. They occured right after I linked the cat in, and when I saw them I thought, "Oh shit, look what I started..."

Edd

Yes! Now I am connected down here at the castle, and soon Iīm going to share some early lyrics from Kansas and Le Roux.

OLEANDER: Are you here as our house doc or as a BESSERWISSER? I donīt know who wrote the jokes but I am sure it was not Kinky. But I thought they were funny. I noticed that you are a southern girl, I guess that explains a lot. Damn, you are so sure about everything, do you never have any doubts? I guess you are daddys princess and have lived a very protected life. And besides, Steely Dans lyrics canīt be anything for you? Narcotics, pedophiles, whores and other dark sides of life. Enough of doc Oleander for a while now.

GAUCHO: Hanno sparato un uomo in Africa, durante un periodo di rivalitá di guerra, aveva dei sogni dúna buono vita, ma i sogni non sono la ragione per cui līhanno ucciso.

HOWARD: Show Biz Kids is still a one chord song, what you are talking about is the groove.

Itīs allright, the light is on...

clas

PS

And yes, Ruby has a VERY sexy voice. Iīve been speaking to her and she says I have sexy voice too, sexier than Arnold Schwartzenshnitzels.

Kinky: what the hell do you mean with nonsense? You would not know a diamond if you held it in your hand!

clas

I've got a little field report from the trees and culture that is Park Slope, Brooklyn, NYC...

Friday Night I had the rare pleasure to experience, the one, the only, the OHIO PLAYERS live in the Prospect Park Bandshell.

OK, Everybody now - FIIIIIIIIIIIII-YAHHH! what was amusing is that for every up-beat, funky tune that they played, they had to slow it down for a tune or two so they could rest. Horn section was tight and blarin' and thedy had a strong rythym section, too, - we really all broke up when we heard the guitar riff to "Rollercoaster" - a truly great evening. Not to mention my friendly nubile female company.....

I am fortunate in that the Bandshell is only a 1/2 block from my apartment, and they have live music every weekend, all summer. Saturday night was the Jazz Passengers, who were generally cool, but when they started sounding like Kenny G, I had to go.

For those in the tri-state area, or who want to come to NYC, I urge you to check out the shows - they're free ($3 requested donation), but they're great, intimate and you'll be in Brooklyn.

Oleander: Don't worry about counting out TOOM - just go with the flow.

Peace and good mornin', YGK

All: So I was on hold with the electric company for an agonizingly long time this morning, and my wait got even more agonizing when I heard a Muzak version of--get this--Don't Take Me Alive! Can you believe it? Is nothing sacred?

El Sup: I heard "Our Lawn" at Pittsburgh in '93. It was not played in Hartford.

Walter: I have a suggestion for another way to "keep the gig alive." You know this Pink Floyd-Wizard of Oz thing that's going on now, with the weird synergy between Dark Side of the Moon and the movie? Well, album sales of Dark Side have skyrocketed as a result the last couple of weeks, and Pink Floyd is keeping their gig alive. Maybe you could plant a similar rumor about, say, Aja and The Godfather. Or maybe Gaucho and Apocalypse Now, or something like that. Give it some thought.

Razor: Thanks for filling in King Harvest as the DANCIN' IN THE MOONLIGHT group. That missing brain cell was making my CPU itch. Doesn't that seem like far too good a record to be the last step to total obscurity? Likewise the 'soft rock' records by Starbuck, Ace, and Sanford Townsend Band.

Jon: I don't remember if the Tubes got blowed up on SCTV or not; it's been a while and that's one classic TV series that I can never find on any of the 57 channels with nothin' on. Was that Flaherty or Dave Thomas that did the other movie reviewer? They also did a great Gordon Lightfoot parody on that show.--BTW, there is a sort of a link between Steely Dan and the SCTV cast. Anybody know it?

YGK: Ohio Players still funkin' around? Amazing. I don't know their music very well but I believe they had one of the sexiest record album covers of the seventies. Cover art just isn't the same as it used to be.

major: I saw a contractor's sign stuck in a front yard in my neighborhood yesterday that said in big letters "AJA". I didn't stop to read the fine print, but I wonder if this company belongs to that Dan Steely fellow.

RS

Razor: Thanks for filling in King Harvest as the DANCIN' IN THE MOONLIGHT group. That missing brain cell was making my CPU itch. Doesn't that seem like far too good a record to be the last step to total obscurity? Likewise the 'soft rock' records by Starbuck, Ace, and Sanford Townsend Band.

Jon: I don't remember if the Tubes got blowed up on SCTV or not; it's been a while and that's one classic TV series that I can never find on any of the 57 channels with nothin' on. Was that Flaherty or Dave Thomas that did the other movie reviewer? They also did a great Gordon Lightfoot parody on that show.--BTW, there is a sort of a link between Steely Dan and the SCTV cast. Anybody know it?

YGK: Ohio Players still funkin' around? Amazing. I don't know their music very well but I believe they had one of the sexiest record album covers of the seventies. Cover art just isn't the same as it used to be.

major: I saw a contractor's sign stuck in a front yard in my neighborhood yesterday that said in big letters "AJA". I didn't stop to read the fine print, but I wonder if this company belongs to that Dan Steely fellow.

RS

Hi Zeke! I spoke with Slidell yesterday, they couldnīt beat the heat. Our friend is coming to sweden thursday to cool of a couple of weeks.

Doc Kelly: Sorry, my internal memory is just 640 kb.

Where is JOOOOSIE?

The Clod

Roy.Scam–re SCTV cast member/Dan connection: Harold Ramis was a voice in the Sci-fi film Heavy Metal for which Donald provided the tune, True Companion. Or in a more convoluted vein: SCTV's Martin Short was in The Three Amigos with Chevy Chase who was in a band with B & F at Bard College. Hey this 6 degrees of separation stuff is fun.

And yes, Flaherty was Candy's sidekick. He actually was Billy Sol Hurok and Candy played Big Jim McBob.

DOC KELLY; now I got it, you mean my short memory, in my head? Oh, thatīs the braindamage, the vodka you know. OK, ehh, yes, what was the question?

Anyone: I have some interesting stuff here, The Stafford Boy, Tristian Fabriano, is responsible for the liner notes on Canīt Buy A Thrill. Input anyone? Output? Feedback? Analyze? Edd? Tristan Fabriano, 3/4? 6/7? Liner Notes, offbeat or on 1, 3? Howard? Dixolydic? Interlude?

HOWARD; are you by any chance related to Howard Stern? The poet? Poet and the heterosexual?

PPPPPPaulC, I forgot to mention, you can reach me at 46 0141 418 20.

Ohhhhh, itīs coming back to me again, I can feel it in my bones, selfcentered, embarrrrasing, see you tonight courtjesters. I guess you have to email StAl now because I am totalllly whhhackked up. I wear jeans. With brown shoes, and a T-shirt. Grey T-shirt. It make me look baaaad Ole.

?

clas: You, too, seem to be just another little minion-for-MAN. You leave our Scarlett, Ms. OLEO, alone! Ya' hear?

OLEO: You call me Geek, I call you Oleo...
Sorry, I can't relate to your comparing my "songs" to Woody Allen's latest: I don't do his recent flicks, but his reference does remind me of a neat song by my friend B.D., who is a real master of parody:

"Woody is my dad, I am his daughter,
I would be his lady all my life
He says he'd love to live with me,
But Mia caused some injuries that have not healed
He said, 'I feel once again
Like I need a younger girl'...

Woody had no joy with Mia Farrow
Now he wants to run away and hide
He says our love is growing stale
He likes them young enough for jail
But you know I tried to stall
Because he made "Annie Hall", I loved the second reel.
But I'm bound to lose
When I reach twenty-two, that's just how he feels.
And he likes his girls barely old enough,
Like the laughs that came in his earlier stuff.
There are so many reasons why I love him"

ooooh, I feel sickly again....BBBBBWWWWWWAAAAAKKKKK...ugh...Roy Scam:"Whine(sic)and dine and 69
Show me yours, I'll show you mine
Take a number, get in line
I've looked at sex that way
I've looked at sex from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's sex perversions I recall
I really don't know sex, at all"
...B.D. gets credit for that one, too.

Are ya' listening,HOWARD?

GRK KOR US

Jon: Outstanding job of coming up with Steely Dan/ SCTV links. They both surprised me: I didn't know Ramis was in Heavy Metal or that Chevy Chase had worked with B & F. My overlap was that Rick Moranis was in Donald Fagen's TOMORROW'S GIRLS video. So you win yourself a brewski and a donut, ay Hoser. RS

there now, that's better...

Roy Scam: I do remember the Fishin Musician skit. An all-time favorite skit from among so many great skits SCTV did in those days, when they really resembled Wayne's World. Funniest part was when the band members where in a row boat fishing. Vince Welnick looked a little aout of place. Deadheads know him now one of their own. BTW, the Tubes have a new album out. Too bad John Candy passed away.

Speaking of Scam: I've had Disc 3 of Citizen in the Pathfinder (great bass speakers) and Scam just kicks from the first notes of Kid Charlemagne. Amazing, the difference in style from the final notes of Katy Lied's "Throw Back the Little Ones" to the funked up, high voltage Royal Scam. Scam is inspiring. The Fez has some of the best string bends in rock and roll.

Lucky: I am getting closer to having that new bass in my hands. Definitely by my birthday.

"... I wanna be your ho-ly man..."

maj.

From : Sergio (aka Mock Turtle, Amadeus, Gaucho, Liz-Josie, Kinki) To : Good old friends at the GB Subject : Farewell

*****

It has been a while now that i've been an habitue of this site and so it is with a little sadness that i depart. You see, the point of diminishing returns is fast approaching and i ran out of silly ideas, no to mention that every day it becomes more apparent that i have little to contribute in terms of SD.

In any case, i never thought of myself as an SD conoisseur or guru, and the truth is that i just love the music and will never have the time or inclination to dig into the details like some of the bright minds in this GB.

The fact that i posted has more to do with an early idea that "if you like SD then you must be a cool dude (or dudette, i am really not as macho as Gaucho)".

Very early into my postings i realized that there where many uncool SD fans and so the search begun to find out what was that common thread in all of us, what is it that we have in common that makes us enjoy SD so much.

My approach was simple and chaotic, just take up some personalities and interact for a while, a little SD Dungeons & Dragons if you will. Some of my characters were ok, i still like the Mock Turtle discussions with the boys on that infamous live chat. Of course some of you will recall Amadeus and his opinions about SD's lame sounds, i still can't believe how defensive some people can be. Gaucho was a lot of fun, specially since he came at the same time as Clas and we both roamed freely (for the record Clas is (was) no one of my characters), then Liz (Josie) (some of you actually fell for that shit) and Kinki.

My findings:

1.- Appart from our love for SD i have no clue what we have in common.

2.- StAl, you are a remarkable person. I admire your dedication and balance. If i grow up i want to be like you dude.

3.- Clas. When i started posting i thought this place would be full of guys like you. I found only one but i bet you're fucking ugly.

Ok, so that's that. If you think i'm a sick person, think again. Even by US standards i'm a very normal and decent individual. Married, great wife,cute too, never cheated, never will (that for both), two kids, a boy and a girl, good job with bluechip, nice house with pool, no dog, two cars, tv, atheist with christian morality (i just couldn't buy the bullshit about God, i trust physics more than theology, but i agree with most western moral thoughts), good sense of humor.i think McVeigh is a sick asshole, i know OJ did it, etc. See?

Finally, some thoughts about the Kinki jokes. I think they are really funny. I've been telling those jokes for a while now and most men laugh, regardless of country of origin. Most females , on the contrary, find them sickening. (i particularly recommend the jokes to my bachelor friends because they are an almost foolproof lithmus test when picking up girls at a bar...you never know what you are getting until you tell the joke)

In any case, think about this. I don't particularly recommend anyone to fart in public and i don't do it myself, yet i may find a fart joke funny. To understand this you need to understand the concept of "funny".

At the source we have related concepts such as "unexpected" and "isomorphisms" between different and seemingly unrelated areas. This is why saying "the sky is blue", is generally not funny and why farting in public might be.

Another concept related to "funny" is "taboo", this actually something that i got from a famous MIT professor (McCarthy), in a response he wrote on the heated subject of a racist joke which was being sent accross the net. The guy claims, and i buy the theory, that society invents mechanisms for dealing with taboo subjects and jokes are one of them. Just try it, next time you tell a joke imagine yourself "in the spot".

Finally, i need to say that if i ever was insensitive to any person or if anything i said was rude in any way, well fuck you. Get a fucking life and enjoy it before it's too late and don't blame other people for your own pathetic failures. Got it?

Love yall

Sergio

On Fri, April 11, 1997 Gaucho wrote:

" You want relevant material. You asked for it!! .....

*************************************************************

Steely Dan's New Album

Title : Unknown

Label : Revolution

Expected Date of Delivery : May 1998.

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Read it and weep. You don't believe it. Fuck you.

Gaucho Enema

"

Now look at this, quoted from "http://www.steelydan.com/wbtoles1.html" and written by Walter Becker.

"Nowadays, Les, the word on the streets and on the shit-smeared pages of the Steely webworld is that there's not nearly enough going on on the Dan site, what with the May 98 release date a plausible enough fiction to frighten those geeks, and what with their minus lives and their computer fetishes and their bogus personas - but wait. I'm getting ahead of myself here. "

You see, MAY 98. Now what do you say, fuckheads.

The Latino knew some shit after all, right?

Vayanse a la mierda todos,

Gaucho

No more caps lock?

That horrible headache in my eye is gone....

WOW! Gaucho, you canīt leave me now fuckhead! I am a weak person, a soft person, a mellow one, a moron. I need you. And now, when the other Clas is taking over... Do I have to get my self drunk again to get down the same level as these squareheads? Shit!

Well, I promised to share some Kansas-lyrics with you kids, wait a minute or two.

Meanwhile I have some very interesting bullshit here:

Your Goldteeth II, can be counted in 3/4, 4/4 or 6/4, depending who is analysing the song; Edd does it; 3/4, Howard Stern; 6/4, Bob Tedde; "...one, two, three, four... what the fuck is going on...?"

I get back to you later with the Le Roux-lyrics. Or did I say Kansas-lyrics? Keine anhung, weīll see.

Later Clas

OK...

Here is the China Crisis lyrics you have been waiting for:

"Why do you do that poor man thing/Why do you do that poor man?/All of my life itīs as sharp as the bigger the punch Iīm feeling"

Iīm a radio Dj and General manager at WFM 96.9 in Mexico City (its like another world) Im planing to produce a 24 hr radio special and I need an Interview with DF and WB please, Help me!!! Iīll do anything to get the Interview

Clas: LeRoux. My fav is Snake Eyes. Growing up, I saw those guys every weekend. Not long ago there was a reunion. Some things are better left alone. Kansas. Song For America Lp is freakin' awesome.

Cowboy Mouth is really hot down here.

May 88?? And will August 88 have a tour???

Zeke, in search of the Florida Room.

I had an extraordinary Steely Dan moment today: I was in Petsmart (no jokes, please) getting food for my dogs when what did I hear? Your Gold Teeth II was being piped in somewhere above me in all it's wonderful and original glory.

Thank God, they never play muzak in Petsmart.

RB

Gaucho - Ease up on the adjectives - May 1998 - July 1999 - There is no reason to doubt you, or your source - After 18 years between original releases by Steely Dan, what's another 10 or 11 months more of waiting? I'll believe it when the thing is in my hot little hands - er, the cd/tape that is. Being a pseudo computer geek on the SD guestbook is low risk activity, anyway.

Actually, The Schmengie Brothers (John Candy & Eugene Levy) did an awesome medley of side 2 from "Pretzel Logic" at the Melonville Bowling Alley on Mother's Day in 1979. Zak Starkey sat in on drums. Royal Scam - My eyes were all mist from light of a distance fire.

LESTER: To begin with you can lick Pete Vogels ass, and then maybe he give you some old fanzines. Then, hire a guy that can sound like Becker or Fagen, pick up some old interview from The Metal Leg and fake the whole fucking shit. They will never give you an interview, not if you are working in Mexico. Oh no, Guadalajara wonīt do.

I canīt believe it, no response on gauchoīs farewell. You guys are so damn stupid sometimes. You donīt get it do you?

Iīll get back.

Clas

PS Zeke; yes, I got that Le Roux record from my friend in slidell, 1980, I must admitt that I have not listen to it very much. Say hi to the quarter from me? Go to some dirty bar and take a whisky, for me, i canīt do it myself.

Ruby Baby: Thanks for sharing your Dan Moment! In my opinion, this is the stuff of which the GB -ought- to be made!!

Speaking of Dan Moments, all Northeastern US Dan Fans: check out the Davis Brudnoy radio talk show on WBZ 1030AM in Boston. He often uses SD music to lead into (or out of) commercial breaks.

Happy Summer! Beautiful Survivor

G'morning ev'rybody in SteelyDanFanLand! Enjoy the bright new sun shining above the Banyan trees!

Now, now, another freak thunderstorm hit our sweet li'l home(page) here where lotsa strangers sign in and sign off. Well, what does an expert expect as outcome of his sociological webstudy anyway? That we SD mice might all behave like SD cats? And that we all want to jump out of our regular selfs just to please the psychological inspector? That each and every one of us uses the same brilliant and ironic language as WB does? Well, we don't and never will know. Here, take this: bye, bye, Amadeus Gaucho Turtle, thank you so much for the insights into our sad little lifes and our little irrelevant pleasures on this guestbook and wherever else we play our little games. Which we'll go on playing.

Oh now, see, he's trapped me once again. I had to respond. I just had to. Couldn't help it. What a pitiable flaw. Not very superior. Shame on me. I'll hide in the bushes ...

Well, now: We can enjoy the guestbook all alone! can't we? Even Clas will get over it eventually - with a little help from his (little blue) friends. BTW, Clas, did you know there is an SD tribute page in Sweden? Found it thanks, StAl in StAls LINKS page. Oooof, hope I don't ruin the book with all the html gibberish ...

BTW, WB, I do like the millenium anthem as well! Very nicely laid out indeed. Hope this will help you to get down, er, done with the new stuff a little earlier. No need to credit the poor guy, if you play around a little with the phrases. I don't think singing "moppity-mop d'dweedit ..." will sound too cool anyway.

RooBee: Hi, I mean Hi. Well, hello, and hope everything's ok. I throw a kiss and say Au Revoir!

I did it again. I accidentally found my way to the 'Joni Mitchell song parody page' by mistake. What? This is the SD guestbook? Oh ...

For the record, I have no connection with Howard Stern. Or his wife.

Clas: sorry, I'm not giving in. Show biz kids ain't all on one chord. The right hand of the piano plays three different triads, the harmony vocals sing two of these, and the bass plays three notes (D,A,C). If you can give me a definition of 'one chord' that matches this then you win a pampered pooch of your choice.

I would say the solo section of YG Teeth is a better example of a 'one chord groove'. They don't stick rigidly to the one chord, but the basci harmony is definitely static. For me at least, the harmony in Show Biz Kids is definitely changing.

Howard

Hey now, my name is Vernon James and I live in Germany. I work in a factory in the Ruhrarea. Itīs very foggy there. I love steely dna for their music and the beutiful coverarts. The best cd are now katy lied for the picture of a crickett. My big sparetime hobby is fishes, I am a kind amateurzoologiste so to speak. Now I am into a very rare fish, the Lippfish (fam. Labridae). The mouth on the fish is very forward outshooting and the lips are welldeveloped, theirfor the name. The swallowbone is swiped and together growing, you have to asume that the evolution of the cheekteeth has its purpose for crack down the shells of backrowsless animals, that is the mainly food for the Lippfish (fam. Labridae). Now, while I write this, I come to think of that this guestbook is very satiric from time to time so I hope you donīt take this describung of the lippfish (fam. Labridae) to insult the look of mr. Fagan. It has nothing to do with him!

Though my income from the factory is very low I work nights on a so called pornoshow, dr Munster, Iīm taking tickets. Itīs funny to see these men come. Some come there for love, some come for fantasy. But, when two in the morning comes round, my baby comes around for me.

My best song of steely dan is in the year of the locus, maybe because I am sort of a amateurzooligste. My friends, thanks for a fine book, maybe I drop in some other time.

Vernon James, Ruhrarea.

Deutschland Deutschland uber alles. Can you believe those guys lost the war?

George: thanx for the blue ones, I found them in the cassettebox. Cool thing.

C

Doc Kelly, San Francisco Knight,

try to get Brand Xīs "Morrocan Roll" and "Masques". the later without Phil, drums by Chuck Buergi. i have never heard of him again - does anybody know? he is very good.

my favourite Chick Corea recording is "Three Quartets". if you will, buy the cd, it is almost double lenghts compared to lp. acoustic setting, with Eddie Gomez, Steve Gadd and Mike Brecker. i donīt want to bother anyone, but: was there any discussion on Scientology going on here?

if you like Howard Levyīs harmonica on the older Flecktones albums you probably like his contributions to "Trio Globo", his current project. beautiful music.

i find Victor Wootenīs solo album very entertaining. he is a great bass player with the kind of humor that must belong in music (hi, Frank!) what do you think about Gary Willis?

some time ago someone mentioned a new release by Rickie Lee Jones?! tell me more, please...

and, as if that wasnīt enough - tomorrow i will probably see Bill Evans with Victor Bailey. there is a small jazz community around, and one tiny club, consequently called "Blue Note"...iīm shure it will not be packed, although there are 30000 students in this town.

music with you

Markus

Oh no my dear Claus, the war is not lost. Me and some friends to me have very important persons working in the dark to give us the lebensraum we crave so intense. Your day will come.

Vernon James, boldhead.

Boy, I don't check in for a few days and the whole board has gone crazy. I don't know if I'm responding to fictious people or not. Sort of like real life. Oh for the days when everyone was excited about the tour, new official SD website and weekly enties by Walter from the road. Well we can only hope there is another tour and the album does show up no later than early next year.

El Supremo: Set list for 93 Hartford Show as follows: First Set: Royal Scam/Bad Sneakers/Aja Instrumental overture, Green Earings, Bodi, I.G.Y., Josie (Was she there?) Hey 19, Book of Liars, Peg, Chain Lighting, Green Flower Street, Home at Last, Black Friday.

Second Set: Deacon Blues, Tonorrow's Girls, Babylon Swesters, Reelin', Our Love (my notes say Love not Lawn), Third World Man, Countermoon/Teahouse on the Tracks

Encore: My Old School (of course), FM

If you check the archives for Oct 96 you will find a list of the known dates for the 1993 tour. There is one show missing from the t-shirt, but I can't remember where or when.

Between 8/29/93 and 9/5/93 would have been E. Rutherford, N.J. (Brendan Byrne now Continental Arena), Washington, DC, Cincinnati (8/31), the infamous St. Loius show at the Riverfront in Maryland Heights on 9/1 and Houston, Tx. Phoenix from AIA fame was 9/6.

I don't know abour Live in 94 but the Doing it Live CD from KTS (now out of business) is superb and no longer available - it should be enough though.

Markus: thank you for the recommendations. that Corea output sounds especially tasty.

The David Sanbourn I bought at the weekend is very good. I got hold of Hideway, but more importantly Taking Off. Damn fine LP if I say so myself. Steve Kahn is exceptional, in fact, the whol;e band is. It is a shame that he poses as 'Mr Seduction' on his album covers.

Clas: you are behaving very strangely at the moment.

RoyScam. If you have some 'marmite on toast', you may hear what I was getting at in my George Michael suggestion. I know it uis a tad contraversial, but with those particular songs, I think he would fit!!

Will someone please send me an Art Crimes 96 baseball cap. I will pay good money for one. Well, maybe a few quid!!!!!!!

Laters

pretzels with jam (jello to the US guys)

Markus: I forgot to mention that I believe that I own all Brand X on vinyl, except for the brand new one... also have Unorth. Beh. on CD and a compilation on CD called "X trax"...

San Fran Knight: David Sanborn has got to be my all time fav on sax!!! And that Marcus Miller dude on bass? oh, man, what a monster!! He has just about re-written the book on funky bass! It's hard to find a bad Sanborn album... If you don't have it you might want to pick up the Crusaders' "Free as the Wind". It's also hard to find a bad Crusaders album...

SF Knight: How about Jello Pretzel Salad? It's pretty good. e-mail me if you want the recipe.

I can't find marmite anywhere. Do I have to go across the Pond?

George: HI. Things be fine! I see you had the gall to tell those weenies that life would go on without them!

RB

BIG FAN; yaaaawn, do you have the setlist from Civic Center -74?

SAN FRAN; acting strange? For the moment? Boy, acting strange is the story of my life.

VERNON JAMES; is this a late contribution to the Chain Lighting discussion?

HOWARD STERN; to begin with the fucking bass, D A C, well, you canīt expect a bassline to pump on a D-tune 107 bars? And those triads you talking about, thatīs a GROOVE. Follow? And play a solo based on the Dm7 scale and it will fit in like hand in a glove. Enough of Show Biz Kids now. I won.

George, you must accept the fact that some people are champs and some are not. You envy Gaucho for his bright and brilliant classic style, but please donīt screen it out here on my GuestBook, you are an embarrasment for your country. ( Like that stupid fishhead from Ruhr)

So Long, one of the champs.

Sergio:

A totally relevant image I might add...

Peace,StAl

Big Fan,

You listed the second set at Hartford in '93 as including "Our Lawn (Love)"... Although I didn't write anything down, I was at that show and to the best of my recollection, Walter sang "Fall of '92" where you've listed "Our Lawn"... I also seem to remember Walter introducing "Fall of '92" by referring to the recent presidential election of '92. He talked about how we had just averted another disaster. The tune leaves no doubt about where Walter stands on Mr. Bush.

BTW, How about Drew Zingg's magnificent solo on "Third World Man" from that same concert? It was the highlight of that show IMHO.

Joe

Barbara Ann Wall (Scarliffe???) are you out there?? send me an e-mail with any news that you may want to share about yourself and whereabouts I'm betting that you are still a dan fan.....contact me... let's catch up....awaiting your reply....."I Will"

Hi goonies,

I have to share this weird story with you. I am reading a biography of Miles Davis, and he tells about when he sharing a cab with Charlie Parker and a whore. Mr Parker is stoned as a whole indiantribe and he is eating chicken at the same time he is eating the whores pu... no I canīt tell you that story. Sorry, Scarlett Oīleander...

Iīd like to tell you about another fish that is very interesting, Giganturiders (fam. Giganturidae). They are very hard to place in the system of the fishes because their represantores shows a lot of diferences in the internal family. Am I boring you? I guess I am, I am so devoted to these fishes so I forget that this is a musicbook.

Claus, perverted dirt, is this the things you swedish people do in Sweden?

Vernon James

Vernon; no, these are the things we swedes do on Reeperbahn, Hamburg, Germany.

Everybody who would like to see Clas and his 32 personalities off this guestbook, say Ay.

Recipie as above... delicious!

Dan Moment for Ruby, BS and of that ilk: Buying some new pads for my headphones at the w/e in a mom&pop hifi store with gear way out of my league, and beyond the strains of heavenly cello music, I could hear this inappropriate tinny sound of the Dan doing Reelin' in the Years as I was leaving the shop. So I dashed across the road to have it on full blast on the radio to psych me up for soccer and I couldn't find it on any station. Now I know I hear the Dan in my head when I'm reading the GB, but this was spooky!

Sad, in a way, to see the departure of Gaucho, etc. But, unless you're half-crazed or deliberately trying to wind GB-ers up why would you want write to the guestbook with an alternative alias? I mean, how many people who post here personally know other posters. If you have an opinion, thought, question who cares who the hell you are, except to reply to? I guess a 'Gaucho, etc' will be back even if it's not actually him. (Mr Vernon James, are you for real?... 'cos you made me laugh out loud).

Still planning our trip to NY in August, and looking to pick up some Dan-memorobilia on the way through. Any suggestions where I might do this? Managed to fix up a place a short walk (er, taxi ride) from Le Bar Bat. Is there a gig guide for LBB or any other good clubs on the net?

Met a couple of mates at the Paul Kelly gig (excellent! Never heard of him - great Aussie singer-sonwriter: buy the gtest hits just released, you won't be disappointed) at the w/e, our first in ages now the Good Prince sleeps late. Anyway, they're off to Austin Tx for four years, soon - Any Austinians out there recommend some good local hangouts? (especially blues bars)

Richard&kagaroos&vegemite

PS: still narked that the local 'Rolling Stone' only had Prezel Logic in its top 200 albums of all time... and why Pretzel Logic?

Gonna learn this HTML, I hope.

Yahoo!

Did it work or did it flop?

Yes I am real, and you laugh at me. Because my innocent obsession with fishes? You Australian prisoner, did you know that England had the good taste to send all their prisoners; murderers, rapers, sickheads to the downunder? Thatīs where you come from. When our time comes, we are going to do the same. Claus is the first to go.

Vernon, skinnhead with boots and a brown shirt.

No, no more Vernon, I draw the line here, no neonzazism on the GuestBook. I know hell how this character (from a hornsby song) could turn out to be this fuckhead. Itīs a problem with creative writing.

A LURKER SICK OF IT ALL: Clas1: YA! Clas2, Ya! Clas3, YA! Clas4 YA! Clas5, can I stay?, Clas6, YA! and on...

Audi and out

"I see you had the gall to tell those weenies that life would go on without them!" yes Ruby, and the funny thing is, it goes both ways.

(Good King) Richard: Score one more for the DanMoments. If this keeps up I may just deem this GB safe for my official return once again!

??? : Your HTML link works - yahoo!! I have also been testing the waters (or is that -fires-?) of HTML hell. With any luck, we'll be able to master this stuff without getting too badly burned. :]

....this morning's just like any other.... How's that??

Later, Beautiful Survivor

Sometimes I amaze even myself!

re: Howard's triads...

I'm not going to enter the fray over whether we're talking 1 chord or multiples, but I tried your interpretation and was a bit disappointed.

I see it this way...

While there are variations on the theme throughout the tune, the basic comp is 2 measures long. In measure 1 I hear the following chords, each lasting 1 beat, and played on the beat. (Right hand. Voiced low to high)

F-A-D, C-F-A, D-G-B, C-F-A

(The first one may be played as 2 8ths instead of 1 quarter)

Measure 2

F-A-D, C-F-A, G-A-C-E

...with the final chord occuring on "3" and held for 2 beats.

Edd

The plot thickens ...

Nice to have some more input on this one Edd. Let me respond to Clas first.

Clas: be realistic. We both know that you can 'groove' on a single chord, and that allows you some freedom to play notes other than the basic chord. BUT there has to be some point at which a groove turns into a definite change of chord. I asked you to come up with a definition of what constitutes a 'single chord groove' and how we can distinguish this from a 'chord change', Can you enlighten us?

This will always be open to interpretation, but this is my take on it. If you were 'grooving' on Dm, you could expect to play Dm, Dm7, Dm9, Dm11 etc. You could also play some chords based on the relative major, F. You might want to slide up to a Dm7 from a C#m7, or go a half-step up to D#m, as long as you didn't stay there for long. All of this i would class as a 'groove on Dm'.

In Show Biz Kids there is a sequence of chords which repeats itself exactly, over and over. Is this a groove? There is no variation in the chords, which is what 'grooving' usually implies - freedom to vary the sound a little. Anyway, the bass is thumping out D and A, the A falling on the 3rd beat. At the same time as the bass plays A we get a triad of G in the vocals/piano. This lasts for two beats (OK Edd differs a little, but we agree on the G triad). In the next bar we get the A in the bass again, and a chord of C in the piano. (Edd says C6). These changes are banged out pretty hard on the piano and bass, and to me suggests something much stronger than a 'groove on Dm'. i.e it is a change of harmony.

Your point about soloing in Dm is irrelevant. I can solo on a Cmajor scale for as long as I like over a standard progression like C, Am, F, G, and it will work fine. Does this mean we are 'grooving in C'. I don't think so. A key and a chord are something rather different.

Maybe the crunch question is this. If you were playing ryhthm guitar for Show Biz kids, and the piano was removed from the track, what would you play? Would you just play Dm, Dm7 etc? I would be playing Dm7 G/A Dm7 Am7.

OK, sorry Edd, I'm with you now. First - let's work out what we have in common. We both agree on CFA on the second beat of each bar. We also agree DGB on the third beat of alternate bars.

For the third beat of the other bars, I hear CEG, you hear GACE. Is the E at the top there above the A (previous triad) or below it? I hear a clear pattern on the top of A B A G (2nd/3rd beats of the bars).

On top of this, you have some chords on the 1st/4th beats. Guess it's time to have another listen to see if I hear those or not. But hold on - I've just realised! You're including the vocals in your scheme! What I wrote was for the piano only. The vocals are going:

FAD CFA DGB CFA --- CFA DGB CFA

With the piano playing:

--- CFA DGB --- --- CFA CEG --- R Hand

D A D A L Hand

Add these together, and it's *almost* what you have - the only difference is in the last two chords. Wow - an agreement of sorts.

Of course it's all *really* just a Dm7 chord :-)

Howard

Lurker: Ay!

The left hand notes for the piano line didn't come out right - they were supposed to line up with the triads above! The D and A notes are all on the 1st and 3rd beats.

So, let's try the piano thing again:

R. Hand :  --- CFA DGB --- --- CFA CEG ---

L. Hand :   D       A       D       A    

Better?

Howard

SFK--mazel tov! every milestone is a miracle! roll over Chloe!

Clas, Howard, et al.--I'm not done with SBK either, but I have some loopy lyric input. Everybody put on your headphones, and listen closely to the backup singers--they're not singing "los" or "las" but "lots." Now a linguist would tell you that when you move from an "ah" to an "ess" your tongue elevates to your hard palate, almost inserting a "t"--say "mas matzoh" five times fast & you'll see what I mean--but I think this "lots" is premeditated. Each voice, all through the song--I defy you to NOT hear it!

So if they're saying "Lots Wages," I have 2 interpretations:

One, "Lots Wages," short for lots of money, which is what Vegas is built on, and the thrill of winning and losing it. A pretty good pun.

Two, my favorite: "Lot's Wages." Now forgive me for getting Biblical, but you all remember Lot's wife from Genesis (the book, not the band), the one who turned into a pillar of salt. Well, his story is actually very interesting: He tagged along with Abraham, his uncle, but his guys anf Abraham's didn't get along, and Lot moved on up the Valley to just outside the town of Sodom. Next thing you know, God has decided to investigate Sodom for possible destruction because of the dissolute habits of its citizens, and sends two angels undercover to check it out. Well, Lot is sitting in the gate, checking out all the gambling, traffic in human flesh, etc., when he sees the angels coming and recognizes them. He sees the writing on the wall, and hastens to invite them into his house. (By this time, he and his family have moved plumb into Sodom.) But then the lustful Sodomite men surround his house, shouting, "Send out those good-looking guys so that we may know them in a Biblical sense as a group!" Brave Lot replies, "No way! These men are my guests and have sanctuary here--But you can have my two daughters, and do whatever you want with THEM." The Sodomites are apparently not bi, and start to force their way in. The angels intervene, and tell Lot they've seen enough, now pack up your family & your stuff and split before we make with the fire and brimstone. Lot lingers lovingly, apparently having got quite used to the ways of Sodom, and almost doesn't make it out. In fact, his wife, with her ill-advised last glance, doesn't. (The story ends with Lot & his two daughters living out their days cowering in a cave above the nearest town, afraid "the disaster" will catch up with them. His daughters, desperate for offspring, take turns getting him drunk and getting pregnant from him. Then we hear no more of Lot.)

Now what could evoke a richer image of Vegas, that latter-day Sodom, than to call it "Lot's Wages?" Especially with LA/Gomorrah right down the road? I tell you, these Dan guys are brilliant. And even if they didn't mean it that way, I believe fine poets channel--not just the zeitgeist but the collective unconscious--and their images are richer and deeper than even they know.

all right, over & out:

perseveration ill becomes even ardent deconstructionists

Oleander: Your Sodom/Vegas and L.A/Gomorrah analogy put the sparkle in my China this morning! The weekend trips to Vegas for cheap food/sex/drugs and a little gambling for the L.A. "cultrual elite" are well-known....and I guess that means Clas (mid-level LA record exec or Swedish meatball) will no longer have to censor his posts. Thank God for the 1st ammendment!

BTW, for those keeping score: Vernon = Clas

(back and forth, studio to office, back and forth. My life this morning)

Well now, this is fun. Seems Howard and I may both be right.

Firstly, I may have misinterpreted the final C-E-G. When I first played it coming off from the C-F-A, I moved the top two notes *down* a full tone, which I adamantly refuse to believe is correct. But wait!! If you move the entire triad UP an octave, I suddenly buy into it much more. In fact, there are times when it seems absolutely correct. There are also times when it doesn't, and my voicing seems better, leaving the only dispute as to whether the "A" belongs in there at all.

As to the first chord I play, I don't think there's any dispute about the fact the notes are happening, but Howard hears them from the vox and I'm playing them additionally on piano. In some places I hear them, sometimes they're (maybe) not there at all. Changes in velocity or masking from the vocals could account for this.

There aren't that many permutations possible, as the entire rhythm track is only 8 measures long. ("The Big Tape Loop" story according to Roger Nichols...)

Edd

...or it could be "Lost Wages"... You know, Left Coast LA slang for Los Vegas... Hmmmmmm.

RubyBaby: Will mail you later for said recipe! sound's kinda wierd!!!

Yo Doc: we seem to be on a musical wavelength here. For me it's the opening to Butterfat where Sanbourn squeaks in using that funkster style!!! The whole line up, Mr Miller, Steve Kahn, Charlie Parks, Mr Gadd, and the others. They are just sooo damn cool!!!!!!!

I work with this guy called Chris. He is a twat! He just came over and saw me leaving this and said the Steely Dan was a fu**ing useless c**t!

It is kinda funny to see that there is so much ignorance out there! Mind you, he still thinks that going to Glastonbury at the age of 31 is cool. Hasn't got laid for two years!!!!! Are you surprised??????

Byesseee bye

pretzels with RubyBaby'ss jello salad

San Fran: I'm never surprised by the ignorance of the common man! (oops...human) You know, it takes a unique set of likes/dislikes to be a DanFan... a previous topic on this GB (at least a year ago) included the discussion what roles did nature or nurture play in creating us DanFans... food for thought...

We lose anothe great one. Doc Cheatham. So long.

Oleander: Bravo! Things have a way of overlapping, intentionally (on our part) or not. And to think, Michael Omartian wasn't even involved yet.

Beautiful Survivor & King R: Gotta be thankful for the few Dan moment we get out in the world! I usually tell 'em as they happen, about twice a year.

What do you think, should we start making some up? And what about frustrating Dan moments? Do we ever talk about those?

Rb

Michael McDonald's vocals on Peg are great. By far the best back-up Steely Dan ever had!!!!!

Carrie,

Michael McDonald is the best. The "Farewell Tour" album of the Doobies is definitely one of my favourites!

Taking it to the streets

Markus

Ruby Baby: A frustrating Dan Moment, eh? You mean like the time I stepped out of my office for a few minutes and came back to hear final fadeout of IGY playing on the radio? ARRRRRRGH!!

What a glorious time to be free...

You take a D and a U and a B, not an E, that thing here is special to me!

Y'all are making my head spin. Anyone care for a beer?

Ruby Baby: "And what about frustrating Dan moments?" How about every time I decide to read this guestbook.

El Supremo: The Pittsburgh '93 show (Live at The Starlake) has a version of Our Lawn...I think.

Many people here thought that Dylan would do a great version of Barrytown. I agree. I started thinking about the songs some other bands would cover(A few of these people are dead-That might be a bit of a snag):

Pink Floyd: I think that they would probably play something like "The Royal Scam". It's melodramatic with that cool guitar sound. Paul Simon: He would most likely cover something quirky like "Bad Sneakers". The lyrics and harmony would suit him.

The Doors: I imagine that they could do a good version of "Do It Again". Manzerak could perform a very cool solo in the middle.

Nirvana: Nirvana would never cover Steely Dan, but if they did, they would probably choose a song like "Black Friday".

Lou Reed: I think that "Only A Fool Would Say That" is lyrically up his alley. The Montgomeryesque guitar would probably be sacrificed though.

Someone mentioned Mel Torme standing in for Donald Fagen. I can imagine it now:

"Agents of the law...Luckless Pedestrians...I know you're out there... with rage in your eyes and your megaphones...Shoo-be-doo-bop-shee-boo"

The entire crowd would leave halfway into the first song. Well, maybe Harry Anderson would stick around.

m.e.

Ruby Baby: "And what about frustrating Dan moments?" How about every time I decide to read this guestbook.

El Supremo: The Pittsburgh '93 show (Live at The Starlake) has a version of Our Lawn...I think.

Many people here thought that Dylan would do a great version of Barrytown. I agree. I started thinking about the songs some other bands would cover(A few of these people are dead-That might be a bit of a snag):

Pink Floyd: I think that they would probably play something like "The Royal Scam". It's melodramatic with that cool guitar sound. Paul Simon: He would most likely cover something quirky like "Bad Sneakers". The lyrics and harmony would suit him.

The Doors: I imagine that they could do a good version of "Do It Again". Manzerak could perform a very cool solo in the middle.

Nirvana: Nirvana would never cover Steely Dan, but if they did, they would probably choose a song like "Black Friday".

Lou Reed: I think that "Only A Fool Would Say That" is lyrically up his alley. The Montgomeryesque guitar would probably be sacrificed though.

Someone mentioned Mel Torme standing in for Donald Fagen. I can imagine it now:

"Agents of the law...Luckless Pedestrians...I know you're out there... with rage in your eyes and your megaphones...Shoo-be-doo-bop-shee-boo"

The entire crowd would leave halfway into the first song. Well, maybe Harry Anderson would stick around.

m.e.

Moray eel: to cynical by far man! Mel Tormé did cover the Goodbye Look and did it quite well. I think he is a damn fabulous singer, probably second only to the great Mike McDoobie.

He is also quite a selective guy, I don't think he would pick anything that did not lend itself to his vocal talents...

And you suggested that that bunch of talentless morons The Doors could run do it again through!!!!!

The Bob Dylan thing is cool though! Would suit his voice well.

Be nice to your Dan Fan alumni...

Carrie: you are totally right, and I like you!!!!!

Doc: I hope that 'going to Glastonbury at 31' business was not too ageist. It's just that this guy is such a social leper, I have to put him down as much as possible. And he f**king loves Oasis!!! What a complete twat!

Anyone got anymore childlike recipes that they wish to E-mail me??

laters pretzels and anchovies

Steve Winwood? I think that he could fill in Donald's vocals nicely. Hell, IF Steely Dan ever needed an opening act (which they don't), I think that he would be one of the only acts that would actually work. Couple of Traffic tunes to open the evening maybe?

El Sup

EL SUPREMO; I guess Steely would be the opening act for Winwood, at least here in Europe.

OLEANDER; very interesting, but I think that Bible/ Vegas stuff is a little too far out even for the Big Guys.

Dr MU; Donīt you read my posts? I have above admitted that I was Vernon James.

HOWARD STERN; yes, you are right, last night I listened to the song for the first time for 15 years. You won.

And girls, please donīt do this lippstick and leatherstuff, I am getting so horny so my desktop is rising.

clas

Has anyone else heard a version of "Do It Again" with some woman doing the lead vocal? I don't know who the artist was, but her voice was reminiscent of Nicolette Larson a la "Rio Di Janiero Blue".

Edd

Edd,

Deodato covered "Do it Again"... Might you be referring to this version?

Deodato? I dunno, did a woman sing the vocals? I heard it on one of those utterly restricted playlist "smooth jazz" stations in the Boston area...

I often wonder why SD doesn't get more play on that format. Many of their tunes (Donald's solo stuff in particular) certainly is no further away from jazz than much of the dreck they *do* play and more interesting than most of it...

Edd

Clas: uhhhhhhhhh....nnnoooooooooooooo,Miami!

SD cover: Toto (Porcaros et al.) has always been hit (especially if I block out the lyrics) or miss with me. 99, Africa, ? have lyrical melodies and swirling production that are close to ear candy. They could perform more than adequately on the song Gaucho. The drawn out notes in the chorus are ideal for Toto's lead singer whatshizname.

before? should be Hold You Back - I'm unsure of the exact title of this song from IV

Doc: Personality is largely biologically pre-determined. One vote for nature.

That makes us DanFanz by the hand of (Donald)God!!

Who cares whether it's "Lost" or "Los". Feel that groove!! I laugh when I think of a sixty-foot tape loop bending around the studio.

maj.

Moray: We must get Stevie Wonder to cover I.G.Y. . It's his kind of song; he could have written it; his voice is perfect; and that electric harmonica of his could lay on top of that rhythm track beautifully. Also like Manhattan Transfer on MAXINE, Thin Lizzie on REELIN'. And Santana is ideal for DO IT AGAIN; in all honesty, I thought that record WAS Santana when I first heard it. Oleander: Yet another telepathic link between us. My best guess for the SHOW BIZ KIDS mantra has always been "Lot's Wages", referring to the Biblical tale: as in, "You hang around this evil city too long, you'll get turned into a sodium statue." I'd have mentioned my theory, but I thought it was too far out even for the Big Guys. BTW, please see the movie WHOLLY MOSES for the best 'turned to salt' joke in cinema history.

SFN: I'm afraid I kind of agree with you about the Doors (with a capital B). Most overated group of the golden age. They probably speak with reverence about Mr. Morrison on the Sound Garden web page. However, LOVE ME TWO TIMES was a great number and should qualify them to be remembered.

What does it mean, Doctor, that SPRINGTIME reminds me of INDIAN LAKE by the Cowsills?

RS

Alrighty-then Are there any tunes you would like to hear the Dan cover?

Donald singing "Three Lock Box"? Maybe, Dust My Broom in a Dan blues kind of way?? M.R. and the Detroit Wheels - C.C. Rider

Hey, just a thought.

How about a duet? Kinda wierd. What babe-age would be worthy?

B.

Edd Cote: I belive that the version of Do It Again you are referring to was performed by Paul Hardcastle. However, I do not recall the name of the female singer - sorry! Let me know if you are able to find it. BTW, I am in complete agreement that the Smooth Jazz format can lend itself quite well to the playing of SD/Fagen/Becker material. I, too, listen in the Boston area. Perhaps we are both enduring the same level of dreck (???).

Later, Beautiful Survivor

Please place your books under your desks, and take out a sharpened number 2 pencil.

Generational Identification Test (US)

Complete the following phrases:

1) The world is a: a) ghetto b) vampire

2) Johnny: a) B. Good b) Too Bad c) Rotten d) Mnemonic

3) Are you with me, Dr.: a) Wu b) Kevorkian

When you are finished, place your paper face down and sit quietly until all your classmates are done.

Oleander: actually, "Are you with me Dr Kevorkian? Are you really just the shadow of a man that I once knew" Has a special kind of ring to it!

Calling all holders of exclusive issue decoder rings: there seems to have been a bit of a diversification on the basic model, with examples of the biblical model now turning up (c'mon it's got to be 'Las Wages'!- I remember arguments about this 20+ years ago)... SO... if anyone has the time, inclination, patience, how about setting up a site or sub-site to this page that has all the various interpretations against each track. For all I know, many of you may keep scrapbooks doing just this. I love the various lyric interpretations, and given D&Ws deliberate obtuseness and obscurity (yeah, the words say what they mean)and the effects of pollutants and passing years, only by a collective effort are we likely to approach something like the Joycean stream of consciousness behind the creation of these masterpieces.

To this of course can be added the musical interpretations (keep it up Edd C). I only wish I understood half of what you are talking about - my piano 'chops' are only so much stew and my drumming doesn't go much past Dr Seuss rhythm

dum ditty dum ditty dum dum dum

gkr&kangaroos

PS: SFK - why go past the simple things, like 'nanas', 'grapps' and the all time classic 'bidderines'. If Chloe is anything like Cary, the amount eaten will be in inverse proportion to the time taken to prepare it (thick soup, especially pumpkin soup or sweetcorn chowder (yum) excepted... damn I've eaten my lunch and I'm still hungry)

The singer on Paul Hardcastle's cover of "Do It Again" is a lady named Imani (sounds a little bit like Sade).

San Fran Man: To{o} condescending, by far, man. I don't think I was rude to anyone and it certainly wasn't my intention. I like Mel Torme, but I really can't see him standing in for Mr. Fagen at a 2-3 hour Steely Dan concert.

You and I don't seem to agree on much. You seem to think that Michael McDonald is the best singer in the world. I like his high harmony; but when he sings lead, he sounds very Michael Boltonish. You think that George Michael could do some Dan or DF material justice and I think that George Michael is the epitome of what is wrong with pop music today. You also said that you don't like Phil Collins voice and I have always enjoyed his singing. Oil and water, I guess...

Roy Scamer: Yes! I like all of your selections. Stevie Wonder would sound great on I.G.Y.. The Thin Lizzy pick is another good fit.

I believe that the most overated band is that one that gets played (3 in a row) on just about every classic rock radio station at 9 pm each night. Can anyone guess it? "Get the..."

m.e.

GuestBook Kids

"You know they go to saint Alīs now (saint Alīs now, saint Alīs now)

While the rich kids are sleepinī with the shade on the light / While the rich kids are sleepinī all the fans come out at night / You they go to...

They got the link to the links / They got the laughs R on us / and for the H T M L / Theyīre outrageous / You know you go to (saint Alīs now...)

They got the tickets they need / They got the Steely Dan T-shirts / And the Steely Complete / They are so aleeert (wailing) / You know you go to...

GuestBook kids writing stories to them selfs you know they donīt give a fuck about anybody else you know you (go to saint Alīs now...) "

bull

Moray eel:

Chalk & cheese man, chalk and cheese - Though Phil Collins, are u sure!!!!!!

I did not mean to look down on you though. Sorry!!!!!!!!

laters

pretzel with wierd musical taste

Paul Hardcastle, yes, that's certainly a name that gets bandied about on the "Schmooth jazzzz..." station fairly often...

B.S. - No doubt we're on the same frequency(s). There's 2 of them right next to each other.

Edd

Beast: Stardust by Hoagy Carmichael and Mitchell Parish. One of the true all time greats. Haven't got a clue how they would arrange it. Do you think they could get Larry Adler on blues harp? He did the best ever rendition!

...the nightingale sings his fairy tale, and I am once again with you, though I dream in vain, in my heart it always will remain, my stardust melody, the memory of loves refrain...

best closing melody and lines to a song... sends chills, you know!!

Moray Eel: Didn't mean to dig at your Phil Collins thing! You should check out some of the Brand X stuff that has been going on on the page. His drumming is damn fine. He doesn't sing a great deal though, which is great in my opinion.

laters

pretzel jazz classics

Moray: "Get the Led out?"

Clas: Decent satire. You're not ready to take on Wierd Al Yankovich yet, but decent. Rather derivative of you, however, to make fun of your fans like WB and DF did.

RS

Roy darling, Roy darling, my friend--I knew I could count on you for another episode of the Twilight Zone. Very wild, very interesting. Maybe because we both grew up in the buckle of the Bible Belt (Beltway?)

Clas--That was actually pretty funny.

Do bee a Ruby--Dan Moment: I'd been listening to 11TOW in the car a lot, and was buckling in my just-turned-3-year-old when he said, "Hey Mom, I wanna hear Hot a Play!"

Moray et al.: Mel Torme also did "When Zas Turned Blue" on Was/Not Was' "Born To Laugh At Tornadoes," and if that wasn't a funky gig, I don't know what is.

Well, have a fab weekend. I'm off to Louisville (Louahvul), and this time the CD player is revved up--no more Danless travel hours for this scurvy sister!

PS, King Rich--Talk to St. Al about that.

YGK--You got me going on a '70's horn thang--been listening to Earth, Wind, and Fire, War, Stevie on "Fulfillingness," and I'm desperately hunting for a working turntable so I can dust off "Tower of Power." Whoa!

adios pues

Has anyone seen my copy of Kama?? I have the jewel box but no disk.

A Green Earrings (original recording) question: The killer guitar solo on the fade out sounds like its affected in some way, maybe through a box or synth. What's the story with that? It's unlike anything else in Dan recordings. It's spacey!!

"...look out!..."

maj.

Roy.Scam: Cowsills? I've done my level best to forget them... thanx!

I'm going to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come! Yeah... going to the big city to smoke some meat in the Kansas State Barbeque Championship... 10,000 people and limited to 160 teams... 300 judges...

I bet Stevie Nicks could do a cool cover of "Do It Again". Just imagine her bleating out "You go baaaaa-aaaack, Jaaaaa-aaack..."

Edd

How about William Shatner singing/talking through "Do It Again"?

Captain Kirk-like: "You go...back...Jack...Do It Again...wheel...turning...round and round... Spock....Bones...what's happening to me?"

maj.

What about Tiny Tim doing "Walk Between The Raindrops"?

Wait! Stop laughing! Forget that stupid falsetto of "Tiptoe Thru The Tulips." Instead, listen to his version of "Stairway To Heaven" and see if he hasn't got that cocktail-jazz sound nailed...

Edd

Anthony(of the Bar&Grill): Was it you that mentioned Satchmo? I'll bet he could have done a powerful, yet understated Babylon Sisters. I think I can hear him if I listen hard...but who's doing back-up?

Beautiful Survivor: Oh yeah! You knew what I meant by frustrating Dan moment! I think that one qualifies you for a free 4-day weekend.

moray eel: This page? Frustrating? Surely you jest!

oleander: I'm still thinking about what "hot to play" means. But what can you expect from someone who NERER got to have Romper Stompers?

clas: i am finally writing to you, tho you said to never do that again. GuestBook Kids made me smile. I couldn't help it.

RB

OK, I'll join the fray....

Larry King sings "Do It Again"

"Tuh-night! I'm going to perform a song from that decadent 70's band, Steely Dan. I'm going to uh, "Do It Again" . . .

(music rolls)

"In, uh, the marnin, you go gunnin' (you betcha!) for da man who stole your vodka, er water,.....

*let your imagination go wild*

ykg

Home @ Last has got to be my fav of all. This has to be one of "the" coolest tunes to be laid down, ever. How the hell does Donald do this, man. The piano in the beginning is a grabber. The laid-back groove through out is so soothing, it's therapy. One song where less, is more.

Sammy Davis Jr. doing "I Got The News". With the crooked mouth and all, "you know how to hustle, Daddy is a rare millionaire, I don't care (I really mean that, man) yea you got the muscle, I got the news (kuku machoo) (Liza sings"Dahlin' if you only knew, half as much as.....)

On the '94 tour, all musicians used sheet music, stands (Dallas). '96, no stands. (Tampa)

Zeke out. $.25 Abita Amber beer next door.

how about DATA singing Boston Rag?

Have a nice weekend...

Markus (gonna make a sentimental journey)

Zeke: Sam/I Got the News is an inspired choice. Brings one question to mind for the audience: if you could choose one SD song for Sinatra, what would it be?

This reminds me. . .some months ago, Clint Black told an interviewer that despite his country credentials, he owned everything Steely Dan ever did.

For your loyal fandom, Clint, we'll let you do Pearl of the Quarter. I'd like to hear someone like him -- maybe Dwight Yoakum or Marty Stuart -- take a shot at that one. I think Dwight could come closest to handling the attitude and irony of the Dan, after hearing him duet with Buck Owens on Streets of Bakersfield.

"You don't know me, but you don't like me. . ."

I would like a bit of help from any of you guest bookers, in selecting some good SD tunes to play before and after a 5/10K road race that some friends and I are conducting on Tuesday July 1/97 for our Canada Day celebrations - Something jumpy to get 700 runners primed up before the start, and something to help ease them into that post race euphoria, while milling around, cooling down after finishing.

As far as someone doing a SD cover, I agree thatStevie Wonder would be great, as long as he was straight ahead with the vocals, and didn't overpower with the synthesizer - "I Got The News" would be pretty hot. I think he would do a great "Ruby Baby," (singing the song, not dancing on our Ruby Baby's bone), and I'd love to see how he would play the keyboard solo.

Your ideas on the race tunes, again, would be greatly appreciated.

Trying desperately to catch up........

Maj. 99.99992% sure it's a flanger with someone tweaking the knobs (in real time) to a redicules (non the less very cool) level of effect.

lovebob

Ruby Baby: Thanks so much for the gift of a free 4-day weekend, especially now that Summer has just begun!

How 'bout Ray Charles performing On The Dunes? I think he'd be a natural for that one. What do you think?

Razor Boy: I'll bet you could probably start the race with Bodhisattva. As far as an ending song, let me think about that and get back to you.

Later, Beautiful Survivor

Never seen a guestbook like this. Seems to be the only one worth contributing to.

razor boy: How about Kid Charlemagne for starters, backed with a Peg or a Josie - Do it Again has always been motivational for me.

For the post, how about Home at Last? Deacon? True Companion? Gaucho?

have a great race!

ygk

Hello from a first time writer...great site....a few words on that Deodato cover version of 'Do It Again'...first their were no vocals on it.. purely instrumental...the best version of it is on the live lp he did on CTI records in 1973....the live version was the opening saong he performed at the Felt Forum in NYC on 4/8/73 and featured.. get this.. Deodato on keyboards... John Tropea on guitar... Stanley Clarke on bass and Billy Cobham on drums!!! It is intere a cover of the song so soon after its release (it hit #1 on the singles chart [Record World Magazine] in Feb. of '73 .. but it just show how quickly Fagen and Becker were recognized as great song writers....'Do It Again' was covered several times in the years ahead..the funniest versions are by Waylon Jennings (1979) and Falco (1988)...also I remember once yiddish version once on an AM station in NYC..oye ve'

stevev

Hello from a first time writer...great site....a few words on that Deodato cover version of 'Do It Again'...first their were no vocals on it.. purely instrumental...the best version of it is on the live lp he did on CTI records in 1973....the live version was the opening saong he performed at the Felt Forum in NYC on 4/8/73 and featured.. get this.. Deodato on keyboards... John Tropea on guitar... Stanley Clarke on bass and Billy Cobham on drums!!! It is intere a cover of the song so soon after its release (it hit #1 on the singles chart [Record World Magazine] in Feb. of '73 .. but it just show how quickly Fagen and Becker were recognized as great song writers....'Do It Again' was covered several times in the years ahead..the funniest versions are by Waylon Jennings (1979) and Falco (1988)...also I remember once yiddish version once on an AM station in NYC..oye ve'

stevev

Razor Boi: If all else fails, try Pink Floyd, "Run" off of "The Wall".

Zeke: Are you sure about the stands in 1994? What was the opening song that year?

YGK: are you working on a Sat? Wow!

Somebody a while ago suggested we think about which bands Steely Dan could cover. (I can't remember who it was, but I thought it was a great idea.) Nobody has said anything about it so far. But yesterday, while I was in the shower, it hit me: Joe Jackson. They should definitely do some Joe Jackson stuff.

If Donald Fagen would just do another Nightfly-type project, with some Joe Jackson covers in it, I know I'd just melt all over the floor (or the pool table, or the patio - wherever!)

Does anyone think DF would put something out like that?

razor boy: happy Canada Day! DTMA

rbaby

Anybody want to trade bootlegs? Drop me an E-mail at AudioXanax@aol.com. Lots to offer... :-)

Hi, anyone home? No...

RUBY; does this means that we are friends again...?

C

OLEANDER: Do you mean that he wants to hear Hat Too Flat again?

canīt figure...

As i've been saying for decades now, to attempt lyrical iterpretation of any and all dan song's is not only an exercise in futilty and frustration but, border line criminal. because steely dans lyrics were made very special and personal via their ambiguity. and to take away a sliver of mystery from them takes away a part of the dignity.

remember:"hot licks and rhetoric don't count much for nothing be glad if you can use what you borrow" SHADYCT

Hi,

RubyBaby,

in my opinion, we will never be listening to cover versions done by SD. they are a very sentimental group, using state of the art equipment to tell stories of the past in an elegant language, both lyrically and musically. and i think there still is a lot to tell, although it is harder today to compose such great melodies... maybe there could be some more citations, like Stravinsky or Frank Zappa did in their music. from 74 on the latest, SD had developed their own style, right? when i mentioned Boston Rag from 1972 - the harmony vocals sound exactly like CSN&Y. later, such influences were not so obvious anymore. Actually, i also do not like the idea of covering SD except from a musical point of view (which is pure joy). they are too original, for me, the lyrics are too closely related to Walter and Donald. not necessarily to their CV but to their personally experienced and interpreted "way of the world". in a certain way, Randy Newman is of the same tribe. i attribute it to the quality of their lyrics. when Jeff Porcaro once stated his favourite band besides TOTO had been STEELY DAN my guess is: TOTO wrote some great tunes, but the words... if you think this sounds like complete nonsense - pardon me. i should practice more english then?!

have a good start into the new week!

Markus

Hank--"Deacon Blues" for Sinatra. I think he could still handle it, and it has a similar spirit to "My Way."

RB & Clas--"Hot a Play" <== three-year-old <== "Hard-up Case." The groove really seems to appeal to him & his brother.

Also Ruby--Yes! on Joe Jackson. I would love to hear them do "Everything Gives You Cancer," which I do not love for purely professional reasons. JJ could really do Latin hooks, jazz, and rock simultaneously, which is my best of all possible worlds.

Patrick & other bearers of buckets of cold water--I'm with King Rich; collective dreaming about lyric (and musical) content enriches, peels away the onion's layers, delights with new images and visions. If you're satisfied with opacity, that's OK; sometimes I am too--swept away just by the way a phrase moves, or alliterates, or alludes. It's all in there, and we're all free to do what we want with it--just feel it wash over us or deconstruct the hell out of it.

Here At The Western World has GOT to be a Walter-penned composition. Right?

maj.

Oleander : i liked your last paragraph a lot. sigh.

THE song for Sinatra to cover is "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" but out with Hackensack and in with Hoboken, Sinatra's hometown. Full orchestra horn section to replace the guitar solos and fills. Leonhardt could sit in.

"...hey, baby, your money's on the dress-ah..."

maj.

What's the latest with Gary Katz and Donald? Who will be in charge of the latest project?

Had a wierd dream. Don and Walt did the soundtrack for a Disney movie. Is it possible?

Time Out of Mind, sorta like Ketel One Vodka, chilled. Smoooooth!

Zeke.

Oleander: Boss paragraph. I especially liked the use of "alliterates" in an alliteration. I declare you the Wordsmith Laureate of the SDGB. I agree with you about analyzing the songs, specifically the lyrics. A great part of existence in general is its complete mystery and infinite possibility. Still we spend most of our alloted time, down to the last gasp, trying to figure it out, and that doesn't 'spoil' life. Someone once said (probably Oleander) that a life unexamined is not worth living. So if it applies to life, why wouldn't it apply to the other good stuff? (Jesus, Maude, now he's equating Steely Dan to life in general.)

Maj: A direct hit. "Start spreading the news, Daddy don't live in that kookie N.Y.C. no more, baby."

How about Homer Simpson doing that one syllable in JOSIE that sounds like D'oh.?

RS

OLEANDER:...........or draw it.

MAJ: hah, ole frank would rip that one up. "That coo-coo Lucy, she got that Coke and Rum, yeah..."

rudy

I am the boxer who screamed and ran wild

I now resemble Van Gogh, even Don King won't smile

There's no secret Tyson's limic system is fried

and I know why I tremble each time Mike opens wide

Bite with you Gold Teeth and lose your bankroll

My answer to the agony, no HT-3

I am the boxer who screamed and ran wild

I now resemble Van Gogh, even Don King won't smile

There's no secret Tyson's limbic system is fried

and I know why I tremble each time Mike opens wide

Bite with you Gold Teeth and lose your bankroll

My answer to the agony, no HT-3

I just came across a recording someone said was by Fagen. It is from September of 1986 and it was recorded live in Trumbel, CT. Does anyone know if this is actual DF material or if this is more BS (Beau Shit)?

El Sup

P.S. - The previous post was clever....

El Sup - I guess you've been talking to Q lately, but don't let him fool you. That recording is indeed the cover band Beau Bolero. If you ever come across anything "live" by Donald between '83 and '88, it's not the real thing. Donald was sleeping those years, with the exception of some Premiere articles, and a few movie soundtracks.

Markus,

You are right, I'm sure. DF will probably never do it. (He did do one cover - guess which?) Hey, about Boston Rag: the vocal harmonies being very CSN&Yish, was that on purpose or not? And why is it harder to write great melodies these days? Are all the good combinations used up already? That would suck. Was Jeff Porcaro making his favorite band statement from a listener's point of view or a participating musician's(pov)?

And I have a feeling you practice English plenty - whether we like it or not.

Oleander: Do you have a favorite SD alliteration? Now it's gonna bug me til I think of one. Look what you did!

Can you hear Patrick Stewart singing Green Earings?

rb

Elmer Fudd does Green Earrings...

"Code, dawing, no fwys on me (heh-heh)...

Sowwy, ainjew, I must take what I see...

Gween Earwings, I wemembuh, da wings of ware design...

I wemebuh, da wook in yaw eyes, I dow mind...

GWEEK! Medaiwyon! Sparkew, when yew smiew...

Sowwy, ainjew, I get hungwy, wike a chiewd..."

Edd

or how about Yosemite Sam singing/speaking "Don't Take Me Alive"...

That's all folks!

holyjeezus! lay out a bit and drown when ya come back!

i still think the line in 'showbiz kids' is 'life's wages.'

actually what they probably did is just what the beatles did at the end of 'i am the walrus'--they just layered several similar-sounding words on top of each other just to be confusing:

'drop out, drop out, everybody drop out.'

'smoke pot, smoke pot, everybody smoke pot.'

'pop up, pop up, ev erybody pop up.'

just to confuse us a little more....

peace,

rabbit

Holy Indecision, will Donald ever do a cover agin? Only if it is consistent with the theme that he has chosen. But for following a chosen theme, he has too much tight assed ego to do other people's stuff. His creative process is his own.

And so doesn't that beg the question how Walt fits in? They can't both be chiefs, Walt has the maturity to contribute on an equal but subordinate basis. In concert, there's no doubt Donald's in charge!

Not selling much beer tonight.

Hiya, First Timer here, been Deeply Dan for Decades.. Anyone interested in some good Dan-type sounds should check out Quicksilver '96's album "Shape Shifter".. Michael Lewis, (who worked on Aja?) has been a Quicksilver member since '72.. Nice to hear an old SF band still show some Fire! (Given the Dan influence, how can they help it?). They'd be a Real Interesting opening act.. Later, RC Stilwell "The Vetshow" KRVM, Eugene, OR.

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