User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Robert Fisk: The monster of Baghdad is now the hero of Arabia.
This is now a nationalist war against the most obvious kind of imperial power
01 April 2003
So it's a "truly remarkable achievement'', is it? General Tommy Franks
says so. Everything is going "according to plan'', according to the British. So
it's an achievement that the British still have not "liberated" Basra. It is
"according to plan" that the Iraqis should be able to launch a scud missile from
the Faw peninsula û supposedly under "British control" for more than a week. It
is an achievement, truly remarkable of course, that the Americans lose an Apache
helicopter to the gun of an Iraqi peasant, spend four days trying to cross the
river bridges at Nasiriyah and are then confronted by their first suicide bomber
at Najaf.
One half of the entire Anglo-American force û still called 'the coalition' by journalists who like to pretend it includes 35 armies rather than two and a bit (the "bit" being the Australian special forces) û is now guarding and running the supply line through the desert. And Baghdad is bombed but not besieged.
The military "plan" is so secret, according to General Franks, that very few people have seen it all or understand it. But his plan he says, is "highly flexible''; it would have to be, to sustain the chaos of the past 12 days, and, of course, we hold the moral high ground. The Americans bomb a passenger bus close to the Syrian border and don't even apologise. An Iraqi soldier kills himself attacking US marines and it is an act of "terrorism''. And now Secretary of State Colin Powell announces û to the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the largest Israeli lobby group in the US who of course support this illegal war û that Syria and Iran are "supporting terror groups'' and will have to "face the consequences''.
So what's the plan? Are we going to forget Baghdad for a few months and wheel our young soldiers west to surround Damascus? Where, for heaven's sake, is all this going? We were going to "liberate" Iraq. But the war could be "long and difficult'', Bush now tells us û he didn't tell us that before, did he? û and, according to Tony Blair, this is "only the beginning.'' Really?
Strange, isn't it, how all that fuss about chemical and biological warfare has been forgotten. The "secret" weapons, the gas masks, the anti-anthrax injections, the pills and chemical suits have been erased from the story û because bullets and rocket-propelled grenades are now the real danger to British and American forces in Iraq. Even the "siege of Baghdad" û a city that is 30 miles wide and might need a quarter of a million men to surround it û is fading from the diary.
Sitting in Baghdad, listening to the God-awful propaganda rhetoric of the Iraqis but watching the often promiscuous American and British air attacks, I have a suspicion that what's gone wrong has nothing to do with plans. Indeed, I suspect there is no real overall plan. Because I rather think that this war's foundations were based not on military planning but on ideology.
Long ago, as we know, the right wing pro-Israeli lobbyists around Bush planned the overthrow of Saddam. This would destroy the most powerful Arab state in the Middle East û Israel's chief of staff, Shoal Mofaz, demanded that the war should start even earlier û and allow the map of the region to be changed forever. Powell stated just this a month ago. False intelligence information was mixed up with the desires of the corrupt and infiltrated Iraqi opposition.
Fantasies and illusions were given credibility by a kind of superpower moral overdrive. Any kind of mendacity could be used to fuel this ideological project û 11 September (oddly unmentioned now), links between Saddam and Osama bin Laden (unproven), weapons of mass destruction (hitherto unfound), human rights abuses (at which we originally connived when Saddam was our friend) and, finally, the most heroic project of all û the "liberation" of the people of Iraq.
Oil was not mentioned, although it is the dominating factor in this illegitimate conflict û no wonder General Franks admitted that his first concern, prior to the war, was the "protection'' of the southern Iraqi oil fields. So it was to be "liberation" and "democracy". How boldly we crossed the border. With what lordly aims we invaded Iraq.
Few Iraqis doubt û even the ministers in Baghdad speak about this û that the Americans could, ultimately, occupy the country. They have the force and they have the weapons to smash their way into every city and rule the land by martial law. But can they make Iraqis submit to that rule? Unless the masses rise up as Bush and Blair hope, this is now a nationalist war against the most obvious kind of imperial power. Without Iraqi support, how can General Franks run a military dictatorship or find Iraqis willing to serve him or run the oilfields? The Americans can win the war. But if their project fails they will have lost.
Yet there is one achievement we should note. The ghastly Saddam, the most
revolting dictator in the Arab world, who does indeed use heinous torture and
has indeed used gas, is now leading a country that is fighting the world's only
superpower and that has done so for almost two weeks without surrendering. Yes,
General Tommy Franks has accomplished one "truly remarkable achievement''. He
has turned the monster of Baghdad into the hero of the Arab world and allowed
Iraqis to teach every opponent of America how to fight their enemy.
1 April 2003 09:18
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Gina, I presume. :-)
User: She was working as a waitress and a bobtail barfed ... | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Sorry Angel, just couldn't resist :-)
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Tones: Expectations. Countdown would be nice. But then again, anything would be nice. Even Kind Spirit with real lyrics.... :-)
Mu: I waded through that entire post. Just thought you would appreciate some positive feedback on it.
jjeff: Yes, we did discuss spraying and I remember mentioning the LA
connection. As in I live in LA and we don't spray, as a rule. Of course after
the bug that was in my den last night, I might make an exception today.
Sort
of Steely Dan related plant action. I have a tendency to plant roses for
reasons. The first ones I planted were red, white and blue (in that order). I
have planted them for people who have passed on, in their memory, or for
significant dates in people's lives, etc. Planted a rose last week called
Perfect Moment. A 2 colored flower that reminds me of a particular dynamic duo,
who are very different, but come together to make something so much more then
its parts. Perfection and grace....
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Van the Man omnipresent in Dan Fan land i see :-)
Doc Mu, because of your post i had to gulp down my green tea and hurry out the door ...
Listening to Gaslighting Abbie now ... sometimes when listening the ears are
fixed or focussed on specific sounds, noises or an instrument. The guitars are
in the spotlight today ...
And because of GA, where's Cara
Mia?????????????????
SARS is just 20 km away from my town Maastricht now, a victim ( a soldier who
returned fro Asia) now in the hospital in Luik/Liege, Belgium. Don't like it.
Don't like it at all. The number of casualities of this disease is
disturbing.
How to fight these invisible armies of germs or virusses and
cells ...
They're working hard real hard to find solutions ...
User: Rough God Goes Riding | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message:
Oh the mud splattered victims
Have to pay out all
along the ancient highway
Torn between half truth and
victimisation
Fighting back with counter attacks
It's when that rough god goes riding
When the rough god goes
gliding
And then rough god goes riding
Riding on in
I was flabbergasted by the headlines
People in glasshouses throwing
stones
Gaping wounds that will never heal
Now they're moaning like a dog
in a manger
It's when that rough god goes riding
And then the rough god goes
gliding
There'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god comes riding on in
And it's a matter of survival
When you're born with your back against the
wall
Won't somebody hand me a bible
Won't you give me that number to call
When that rough god goes riding
And then that rough god goes
gliding
They'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god goes riding on
in
Riding on in
When that rough god goes riding
When that rough god goes
gliding
There'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god goes riding on
in
Riding on in
There'll be no more heroes
They'll be reduced to zero
When that rough
god goes riding
Riding on in
Riding on in
Riding on in
Riding on in
Van Morrison (1997)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: I believe him.
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Aus, does this guy work for you?
NEW YORK -- Federal investigators have arrested an enigmatic Wall Street wiz on insider-trading charges -- and incredibly, he claims to be a time-traveler from the year 2256!
Sources at the Security and Exchange Commission confirm that 44-year-old Andrew Carlssin offered the bizarre explanation for his uncanny success in the stock market after being led off in handcuffs on January 28.
"We don't believe this guy's story -- he's either a lunatic or a pathological liar," says an SEC insider.
"But the fact is, with an initial investment of only $800, in two weeks' time he had a portfolio valued at over $350 million. Every trade he made capitalized on unexpected business developments, which simply can't be pure luck.
"The only way he could pull it off is with illegal inside information. He's going to sit in a jail cell on Rikers Island until he agrees to give up his sources."
The past year of nose-diving stock prices has left most investors crying in their beer. So when Carlssin made a flurry of 126 high-risk trades and came out the winner every time, it raised the eyebrows of Wall Street watchdogs.
"If a company's stock rose due to a merger or technological breakthrough that was supposed to be secret, Mr. Carlssin somehow knew about it in advance," says the SEC source close to the hush-hush, ongoing investigation.
When investigators hauled Carlssin in for questioning, they got more than they bargained for: A mind-boggling four-hour confession.
Carlssin declared that he had traveled back in time from over 200 years in the future, when it is common knowledge that our era experienced one of the worst stock plunges in history. Yet anyone armed with knowledge of the handful of stocks destined to go through the roof could make a fortune.
"It was just too tempting to resist," Carlssin allegedly said in his videotaped confession. "I had planned to make it look natural, you know, lose a little here and there so it doesn't look too perfect. But I just got caught in the moment."
In a bid for leniency, Carlssin has reportedly offered to divulge "historical facts" such as the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden and a cure for AIDS.
All he wants is to be allowed to return to the future in his "time craft."
However, he refuses to reveal the location of the machine or discuss how it works, supposedly out of fear the technology could "fall into the wrong hands."
Officials are quite confident the "time-traveler's" claims are bogus. Yet the SEC source admits, "No one can find any record of any Andrew Carlssin existing anywhere before December 2002."
Weekly World News will continue to follow this story as it unfolds. Keep watching for further developments.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: A¯u - too funny! Where can I get that outtake, you know, the one with the vocals, before the 3rd take but with the 2nd drummer...?
Seriously, that was good...
User: Dano | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Forgot all aboot you meely mob!!
So whats happening
people?? Been captured at work bigtime lately...
StAl , talking of playing old stuff lately , One Size Fits All and Grievious Angel by Gram Parsons have been takin a hit on the old Vinyl when the Gold Watch(Scotch)came out on Saturday night , ma heeed next day was like a nippy sweetie but it was good to hear Zappa again.
Sneakers , Did you book a hotel for the Danfest, and was you at the game on Saturday?? Will be happy with any point in Lithuania never mind three??I think we are a bit optimistic for three on Wednesday, but you never know ??
TWM , Where ya been ya tube, hope the weans are well.
Dunc , Well done bigfella , soon be able to start a tribute band at this rate.
Beers , Fingers , are you get ready for the Big Night Oot , have to get some major points in with the missus so will be storing them up for about four weeks ...must be good... must be good... must be good. Went a wee bit Garrity at the weekend due to Fitba and glorious Scottish Weather , but taking her oot for a wee swallie and a cuddle at the weekend. Build up my supply bank for the 3rd??
Driving on the motorway with Steely blasting out , winning at Fitba, Picked a
few winners on the nags , life doesn"t get any better........
Have a good
week everyone , great to read your posts.
Dano.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Had our first 70 degree day of the year on Saturday. And I couldn't think of a better day for this to happen as it was the day I took delivery of my new boat!
Jeez MU! You think I've time to read that? I'm too busy reading Michael Moore's new one...:)
StAl
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: omg jjeff, cancel that post - it's snowing here! 3 inches!
i feel like i'm back in syracuse!
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: re: the jokes about France. While I was booking a hotel in Paris I came across a note from the patron directed to his US-visitors (probably regulars as most of his customers are). I know him and he speaks directly from his heart (a big one!):
"An Open Letter to Our American Friends
Dear American Friends,
These last few months, politicians and the mass
media on both sides of the Atlantic have been bashing us with two versions of
the same story: Frenchies are arrogant traitors poking America in the eye!
Americans are a bunch of war-happy loonies looking for world domination!
Baloney.
Folks, let's put the show on hold, and think together for a
minute: who is holding the microphone for dear life, and pounding the message
with a tremendous whack?
Not you, not us. Not the little people. But
journalists and politicians.
Politicians will always put their own interests
before yours - remember 'Follow the money trail' - and journalists love the
sound of their own voices, and a good controversy - whether rooted in fact, or
totally fabricated.
The truth is we, French people, like American folks.
Beyond our pride of being French, we greatly admire the American people. We
always have.
We know that we owe your parents and grandparents a great deal
of gratitude. They paid the price of war with their lives on our beaches, and on
our land. We are deep in their debt, and our streets will long carry the names
of American generals.
But our admiration goes way beyond, extending to your
entire culture.
We love your music - blues, jazz, musicals, rock, hip-hop,
what-have-you. New Orleans' legend Sidney Bechet was our hero when he was still
little known in America. Louis Armstrong is arguably the best-known black
musician in France. Jessye Norman, one of your greatest opera singers, sells out
concert halls when she graces us with her presence. And Elvis still reigns as
king in the heart of all those who listened to him in the fifties and
sixties.
We love your cars and motorcycles. Ask about Cadillac and
Harley-Davidson around here, and you will get an instant smile.
We admire
your movies, as witness box office successes such as Saving Private Ryan, Back
to The Future, Casablanca, and Unforgiven in France. And in our minds, John
Wayne and Gary Cooper are still true heroes.
Our teenagers adopt your casual
wear, just as their parents fell for Levi's jeans.
We also smoke more
Marlboro, Philip Morris, and Camel cigarettes than you do,
guys!
Cheeseburgers and Coke did not originate in France. Yet, judging by
sales of sodas and fast food here, we are addicted to them. So much for the
journalistic myth of snooty Frenchies only eating French cuisine.
And English
is still the first of our second languages.
The truth of the matter is, we
simply adopt a lot of America's goods and customs.
And another truth is we
like to receive you folks amongst us.
Over the years, we took notice of your
commendable efforts to speak French. Yes, some of us won't tell you, but we
generally appreciate your efforts to address us in our language. We also try to
better our English skills (please don't laugh at our accent).
We appreciate
your polite, non-intrusive behavior when you come to visit. We cannot say that
all of us Frenchies behave as well when we visit you. We gotta try
harder.
All of us who have travelled abroad know that the cultural
differences which exist between Americans and Frenchies can be resolved with a
smile and a good word. There cannot be any lasting misunderstanding between two
peoples of goodwill.
You are very welcome in our country. We have many good
things to offer, we hope some of them appeal to your hearts and
interests.
You are welcome in France. Don't listen to tall tales to the
contrary. We the people are not our 'governing elites'. You folks are not your
government or the press.
Let's remain friends."
Kind of cute I think (besides he want's to stay in business). I like the paragraph about smoking best!
L
User: Abu Dhabi | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Abu Dhabi
coming your way
every damn day
live
from nowhere
satellite relay
hello braodway...
With graphics a bright irish green
full color as Cruises are striking
Here's somewhat of an errant on the crowd (oops...)
Don't chew on that
power cable son
I guess I owe you one
Cameramen began the Abu Dhabi
the Tomahawk was over
Our featured
friends were gone
I hear there's a bang in other rooms
So long for now
we must be movin' on
mooooovin' on
Abu Dhabi...
Sweet Holy Jeezus what a night
Say holy shit is right
Burying our chief engineer
we mixin' the MOABs for all the folks at home
And posting the latest reels
As half the crew is blowing in the wind...
Aaaabu Dhabi...
User: Auntie Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: nah SteelyDoubt, you're not a nerd! You just have good taste in music. Besides, you are far to good-looking to be a nerd. If I was your age I'd be on you like white on rice. mmmmmmwwwwwwaaaaahhhhh
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Wild Bill, I heard Hiatt has a new Cd due out in May. Have you heard anything? I've been listening to Sonny Landreth's new stuff. He's played with John Hiatt, have you ever gave his solo work a listen?
One of my favorites:
I'LL NEVER GET OVER YOU
I
would have thought time could erase
I'll never get over you
The
feelings lost in your embrace
I'll never get over you
But still I try
And still I cry
I'll never get
over you
I'll never get over you
I tell myself my heart
will find
A way to get over you
When I've already lost my mind
Tryin' to get over you
The voice goes on
The
feeling's long
I'll never get over you
I'll never get over you
a
I'll never get over you
I'll never get over you
a
I recognize
Those crazy eyes
And still they're
tellin' me lies
I'll never get over you
I'll never get
over you
I'll never get over you
User: c:\cd steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: c:\steelydoubt dir
i also have coldplay in my cd (md) player.
cls
(ok im a nerd)
User: Usama e en glad en. | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: "So far, everything is going according to plan."
Yeah, sure.
User: king of the world | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: I have hit "post message" w/o knowing what i intend to say. How many of u du the same, i wonder?
Turns out Geo. W. et al made the exact same stupid country club Republican mistake that his ilk did last time. My father's that kind of guy. Never admits to mistakes, in the mistaken impression that if he doesn't, he won't be letting reality "push him around."
They ASSUMED that resistance would just crumble, because after all, S Hussein is a bad guy. Who supports a bad guy? They made that mistake in '91. Now that it didn't go as planned, their plans are in disarray. Block-by-block fighting through the streets of Baghdad will alienate all the Middle East, right? But "we" are stuck.
On the bright side, much more data re Gulf War syndrome will be pouring
(trickling) in owing to well fires and chemical attacks, or exposures from
seizures of weapons strongholds, so eventually someone may have the info. needed
to figure something out re this nightmare medical thing of mine, which is very
much related. I love a happy ending.
User: jjeff- Spring!!! Don'cha just love it? | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Ole:That cold stuff is headed our way this week, despite the 40mm of rain last night.
LP: I've never thought of moss as an indicator. That's interesting. I guess anything green is a go.
Mu: I read it, but like everything war related it must be taken with
salt.
I was listening to an interview yesterday about the lies of the gulf
war and they mentioned the " baby incubator myth" that daddy Bush started. I
don't recall this. Refresh me if you can.
MC:Closer to retirement? Do you see the light? I said, DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT??? ( Yes, Jesus H. Christ, I see the light)- Blues Brothers. Speaking of which, James Brown's going on tour this spring. Can I get an AYYYYYYMEN?
User: C:\las\@\work | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: DOS? Yes, dos were the days.
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: hey in here:
jjeff - the moss is up in the woods, a smoky but bold green that's about to clear to a psychedelic kelly shade - so i think i won! lol
coldplay on the cd player today...
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: DOS is sooooo easy to use but REALLY outdated.
i should really get into linux.
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Yeah, well, Mu is a very fast typist with a very fast brain and a lot to say.
Hey Big Daddy, welcome from North Carolina.
Mr LaPage--pleasure to visit with you yesterday. Doing that mix was a blast and got me very much in the tour/ EMG mood.
jjeff--the peepers are out here, despite today's 4 inches of snow.
I am SO in need of a Florida room interlude. Q, comin' your way next
month.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Mu,
The length of that last post was just too intimidating to even
attempt
trying to read it. It reminds me of those early books on DOS that
were
like 6 inches thick. Remember those? I just can't muster the
determination
to get into a post that long. Heck it takes an effort just to
scroll past
it.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: jjeff: just busier and busier - pawning my crown to redo the house - tile, carpet, roof...more money grobbing...one family member has been called up, but is in the states coordinating come homeland stuff so far...
A call of HELPfor Anybody who is interested in Research regarding cancer, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, muscular dystrophy, etc... When the budget gets tight, R&D is the first to go, since we have a lousy lobby. Ironically, this is the area that most likely to pay back into the economy with dividends. While I am encouraged that the administration is calling fro billions of dollars in R&D for fuel cells which will reduce oil consumption and CO2 emissioin, funding for the National Institutes of Health is in jeopardy. Here's some contact info - there's a bipartisan effort to restore funding - hope you all can get involved:
"Dear FASEB Society Member:
NIH funding is in jeopardy and the number of new grants could be cut by
a
third!
Please contact your Representative and Senators immediately and urge them
to
complete the final year of the doubling of the NIH budget. You can
fax
letters directly to your congressional representatives by going to this
URL:
The new Congress is trying to complete action on FY 2003 appropriations
that
are currently being funded at FY 2002 levels. In attempting to complete
the
FY03 appropriations process, Congress may pass smaller spending levels
that
put the NIH doubling at risk. It is also possible that Congress may fail
to
act, and NIH will be funded for the entire year at last year's levels.
If NIH is funded at the current FY2002 level for the rest of this year:
* new grants will be cut from a projected 9800 to
approximately 6600
awards, and
When accessing the URL above, take a moment to personalize your letter
and
explain what these potential cuts will mean to your research and
future
therapies and cures for America's patients.
Faxed letters generated by the URL above are the most effective
and
persuasive form of communication. If you do not have time to send a
fax,
please call your representatives. Operators at the U.S. Capitol
Switchboard
(202-224-3121) can connect you directly to the offices of your
Senators and
Representative."
I don't know what there is to say about the war. Clearly information that
poured in regarding Feyadeen and Republican Guard along withn Al Qaeda shooting
Iraqi citizens protesting or fleeing, dressing up in American uniforms and
slaughtering Shiites in the South, terrorist tactics, setting fire to oil wells,
recruitment of children for battle, holding children and women hostage, blatant
use of human shields, chemical warfare factories, gas masks, atropine, execution
and torture of British and America POWs, in contrast with our humanitarian
efforts point to this effort as a necessary evil I'm afraid.
I'm still concerned with Rumsfeld's plan a bit - we have only one infantry division (4rd) while the 4th is just getting into Kuwait after stalled off the shores of Turkey. The 1st is now leaving Fort Hood here in Texas. We have just 70% of the forces we had in Gulf War I and certainly the Airborne 101st shouldn't be guarding the flank. Saddam has proven us right in that they are a terroris - industrial complex and the biggest exporter of terrorism - but have we prepared with that in mind? I hope so and that our troops are protected and there is a resolution soon!!...having said that armchair quarterbacking is too easy - in relative terms things have been remarkably successful. As a marker the only victory we won in our first 6-9 months in WWII was at Midway...
RummyÆs a dummy?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48265-2003Mar29.html
ItÆs the Al Qaeda, stupid:
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=367832003
More Iraqi atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,924829,00.html
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/72076.htm
Media thinks this is a basketball or football game:
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson032803.asp
Sometimes I think Leno and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart are far more objective than CNN and most of the American media
Still some very good news:
Humanitarian aid runs both ways!!!!!!!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030329/ts_afp/iraq_war_civilians_030329211652
Also:
Haliburton out of action during rebuilding!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48621-2003Mar29.html
Finally, I thought I might share an actual e-mail from the front. This is
real (no StAl, there is no URL) - not something going around the internet -
until now I guess!...can't reveal name or source (which is unimpeachable)... An
interesting, colorful and very honest view. A few terms explained (the army has
loads of ACRONYMS): HMMT: Big truck/tanker; DIVARTY: Division Artillery; AK-47:
Russian made M-16 rifle equivalent (kind of); "the update": daily morning and
evening update given to the commander by his staff or from a jr commander to a
sr commander; MRE - packaged meal they eat
"Things are going pretty well. We just gotten to a bit of a lull in
the
battle, and had to hook up the Internet to request some repair
parts.
Tell everyone not to listen to the news that says everything is going
to
shit. I have a sneaking suspicion that that impression is not
being
given accidentally. Probably shouldn't say more. Let's just say it's
not
a bad thing if the Iraqis think we're on our ass. We have only had
1
enemy-caused KIA in the Third Infantry Division. At this point in
the
gulf war (supposedly a smashing success) the US had more than 150.
A
sniper got a lucky shot at a poor tank driver during a refuel just
about
5KM away from us. He had just stuck his head out, and he had his
helmet
and his vest on, but the guy got him in the neck from about 800
meters.
Rumor is the other guys in the unit found the guy and beat him to
death,
literally. But that's just a rumor, and Army rumors have a way
of
getting colorful. I have no idea what actually happened.
So far, everything is going according to plan. Really, there
hasn't been
anything all that interesting as far as Iraqi surprises. The
Saddam Fedayeen
are pussies, and we're kicking their collective ass.
These are the dedicated
Ba'ath party members in each of these little
towns that will be killed by
their neighbors as soon as Hussein is
overthrown, so they have nothing to
lose in fighting to the death to
maintain the regime. A lot of the POW's that
we've taken have said that
these Saddam Fedayeen guys have come to the
regular army units that
wanted to capitulate and told them that they would
kill their children
and rape their wives if they surrendered. This should
give you a general
impression about the situation over here. Every night
during the update
there's a phrase something like "we killed approximately
150 dismounts..."
tossed in innocuously with a bunch of maintenance and
supply data that
the Brigade Commanders brief to the Division Commander over
the tactical
satellite radio. We are invading a country that has had 12 years
to
prepare, has prepared defensive positions, and knows the
terrain,
people, and their own capabilities. I know we've killed more than
500 in
the past week or so, only the guys that actively confronted us and
so
far they've gotten 1 guy on a lucky shot. You tell me how you
think
we're doing. From what it sounds like, the press is playing
our
"setbacks" up way too much. It's so funny. Everyone expects all
modern
military combat to be over in three days or so. This isn't Grenada
or
Panama and this isn't Desert Storm. We are invading a country
that
doesn't want us to be here with little to no cooperation from allies
and
neighbors. We have a long way to drive. Just getting there is going
to
take a while. Speaking of which, the real danger over here is
driving.
We've had quite a few people killed in accidents. It was the same
way
during the gulf war. Driving is a lot more dangerous than combat.
There
have been times where I've been driving at night with no lights,
wearing
NODs, in conditions so dusty that I couldn't see the IR tail lights
of
the vehicle three feet in front of me. There are vehicles turned over
on
either side of the road, which has steep drop-offs on either side,
every
few miles the whole way up here. I'm driving a high-back HMMWV,
(humvee)
with a trailer and driving has been a bit hectic. I'm riding with
my
sergeant major and a very good Private First Class. We have the
ultimate
setup. In the back (this HMMWV has a large cargo area in the back)
we
have set up a bed that allows you to lay flat and stretch out, so one
of
us sleeps while another drives, and another rides shotgun
(literally).
PFC Savannah is great, but is scared to drive in the dark, so I
wear the
NODs (night optical devices), take Sergeant Major Prosper's 9mm
Beretta,
load a round into the chamber put it on safe, and lay it on the
dash
next to my steering wheel so I can shoot with my right hand while
I
drive and all I have to do is flip it off of safe with my thumb
and
squeeze off the first round double-action. I give my M16 to
Sergeant
Major and he aims out the right window, locked and loaded, with
the
weapons on safe while we drive. So far, we haven't had to fire a
round
in anger. During our second night of driving, we were stopped with
all
the lights off when we heard an explosion on the right, and saw
tracers
go by. We all emptied out of the truck and got flat on the ground.
We
were looking at the house next to us, and thought the rounds might
have
come from there, and we saw people moving around inside. It was a
little
tense. Sergeant Yi, one of our NCOs, saw someone moving in the
doorway
with his NODs, and I saw it too. We had our weapons trained on the
door,
as there had been a lot of ambushes along this road. They were
crouching
down, and then we saw it was just a mother sweeping some dirt out
of her
door. She brought her kids inside, and turned out the lights. It
was
completely dark and we hadn't seen the kids. Later on, we found out
that
the unit behind us in the convoy had been engaging enemy to our
front
and right and we had seen their tracers go by on the right, and
the
explosion had been them shooting their Mark-19 automatic
grenade
launcher.
Morale is high. We have had a couple of injuries, but none
serious. Our
First Sergeant got his HMMWV run over by a HMMT, a military
equivalent of a
semi, and it was just destroyed. He went to the field
hospital for a couple
of days of observation, and he's back now. We were
all worried about him, but
he's okay. Yesterday, we found out one of the
Privates First Class, a little
guy who looks like Webster, has this
really thick Georgia backwoods accent
and is a real favorite around the
TOC lost his 2-month-old daughter to
illness. He saw her once right
before he deployed. We're sending him back
home on emergency leave, but
that's just about the worst thing that's
happened since we've been here,
as far as the DIVARTY is concerned. His name
is PFC Lyman and you all
can pray for him and his wife.
The next few nights of driving were similar, with mortar
fires and small
skirmishes happening around us, but not so close that we
were ever in real
danger. You can see the tracers and the mortar fire
flying through the air
with your NODs and every now and then you can
hear the Apache attack
helicopters or A-10s fly over, and they give you
a warm fuzzy feeling. Our
convoy stopped just outside of the fight that
was going on the first day
outside of Al Nasiriyah, and we watched the
Apaches and A10s strafe and bomb
the road about 4 miles ahead where the
fight was going on.
So far, we haven't seen any direct action. We're hoping to
keep it that
way, but things could get interesting in the upcoming
weeks. So far we've
fought the reluctant benchwarmers from the Iraqi JV
team, and some very
motivated amateurs, but we're about to take on the
Medina Division, which is
Iraq's professional army. These guys are well
trained and have good
equipment, so it will be a different fight. We
will still massacre them,
don't get me wrong, but it will be a different
kind of battle. It will be
much more textbook-grade conventional warfare
rather than the "Marne 500" as
we are currently referring to it. The
Marne 500 is like the Indy 500, only
longer, with no lights, a whole lot
of dust, and people trying to kill you
with AK-47s and RPGs. (Rocket
Propelled Grenades) (think Blackhawk Down).
I have respect for the Iraqis. There is, I think, an
increasing
realization that a bunch of guys a lot like us are sitting in
headquarters a
lot like ours trying to figure out how to beat us with a
lot fewer guys and a
lot older equipment. They feel like they are
protecting their country from an
invader (and they are) and are doing
their best to mount a decent defense in
depth. They're doing what they
can with limited resources and desperate
tactics. They're actually
making a go of it, and trying to go down with a
fight rather than
rolling over, and as a professional soldier, you at least
have to
respect that. From what we've seen of the Medina, they're
professionals,
and don't act like the untrained kids with guns that we've
seen so far.
They're not rushing into things and are trying to set themselves
up as
well as they can. As those of us who have played WarCraft have
seen,
you're always better off in the defense when you have the option.
It's
too bad we're going to have to send them through the Air Force
blender
on Puree'. War is never pleasant, and rarely makes sense as we now
see.
At any rate, things are going well. The Third Infantry
Division Artillery
is delivering accurate, responsive fires, exactly
like the Iraqis can't, and
is a big part of why we're winning. For the
uninitiated, artillery basically
means shooting a big (100 pound) round
about 20-30 Kilometers to a ten digit
map grid point with about 1 meter
accuracy. This means that our guys who are
out front can see the enemy,
not be anywhere near close enough to engage
them, but just give us a
call on the radio and we can blow them to hell
without them ever knowing
what happened or, in some cases, our friendly
forces even giving away
their position. We can do this in any kind of weather
(unlike the Air
Force) and about 180 seconds after the original radio call
comes in. The
Iraqis actually have better guns and more guns than we do. You
know
that Crusader thing that Congress cut? Yeah. Most people don't know
that
while the USA has the world's best military, we probably have
the
world's third or fourth best artillery, behind the Brits and
South
Africa. The Crusader system that congress cut would have put us back
on
top again, but no, Don Rumsfeld thinks the Artillery is the past.
Well,
it's saved a lot of American lives out here in this war. The Iraqis
have
the South African G5, one of the best artillery pieces currently
in
production in the world. They don't have that many, but the thing
that
really kills them is the fact that they can't adjust fires on a
target
like we can. They don't have the training and the communication to
pull
it off. Instead, they kind of shoot in our general direction or
at
preplanned targets on roads or other key terrain, and so far,
despite
all the thousands of rounds of indirect fire (as artillery is
referred
to in military jargon) the only damage they've managed to accomplish
in
3ID is some shrapnel in the ass of some unlucky soldier a couple
of
Battalions Over. Thanks for playing, but no teddy bear. Sorry.
What's
even worse is that we have these radars that tell us exactly where
they
are when they shoot. We get the general impression that these
poorly
trained regular army guys in the south didn't know about this. As
soon
as they shoot, we shoot back with MLRS, which is a multiple -
bomblet
rocket that destroys everything in about one square
kilometer.
Everything. I think the word has gotten out because they don't
shoot
artillery much any more.
Well, we're all fine here. Just dirty. Very dirty. I haven't
taken a
shower since the war started. Food consists of MREs and bottled
water, which
is a little bland, but MREs have gotten a lot better in the
past few years,
and like I've always said, the taste quality of the MRE
is directly
proportional to how hungry and tired you are. We're moving
too fast for mail,
but once things slow down I'll get everything so keep
sending stuff. I'll
probably get a huge stack when we finally stop.
Don't worry about me. Things are fine, and no one is
particularly worried
or panicked or anything like that. Mostly we just
miss our families and the
comforts of home. This just kind of feels like
a very long, very crappy day
at work. A day at work that never, ever
ends. Ever. Other than that, it's
great. The best and the worst of the
experience over here is the people.
There are a few (very few) folks
here with whom I will probably be friends
for life, and others that as I
said to CPT Carletta, the JAG officer "If they
were on fire, I wouldn't
piss on them to put them out." Yee-ha. Love the
Army.
Well, I'm signing off for now. Everybody keep the email
coming. Looks like
Internet will come up intermittently from time to
time, so I should get it,
and probably sooner than snail mail. Everyone
keep in touch."
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message:
In response to post #2380: "Mellowing"? Actually
I've always been pretty mellow, or at least perpetually unfazed (depending on
how one looks at it), with a decided lack of ingratiation. Aside from that, I'm
just as intolerant of presumptuousness and self-righteousness as ever, but even
that is hardly something I get uptight about-
"Broadway duchess / darling if you only knew / half as much as / everybody
thinks you do..."
- Steely Dan, 'I Got The News'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: jjeff-brainfart | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: angel: I remember asking you last year about spray, nevermind. it's a necessity against black-knot fungus, here.
Mu: I thought maybe you imploded over the war, i hadn't seen anything from
you. Both feet still on the ground? Good.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Big Daddy: Welcome aboard. The only color on this Board is just this pale puke yellow. Given the real respect that Donald and Walter have honored for African-American jazz and R&B musicians, there may be more African American Danfans than folks think...
Gaia is such a great song - the Hourglass album grows on me with each play even years after the release. While at first, it did not seem as organic as New Moon Shine (with Copperline), Hourglass's songs are more consistent and the production more intricate. The thing that defines New Moon Shine, Hourglass, and October Road is the professionalism, thoughtfulness, and creativity. The notion of Gaia or earth as a complete living, breathing, complex organism has been a nice way of merging science, art, and human purpose. JT achieves this in a most elegant fashion. Crystal clarity and a beautiful open soundscape on this song and throughout the album. At this point in his career, JT could just mail them in - but that's not been the case and Hourglass is deserving of the surprise Grammy it won...and I don't even like "folk" music...it's just all-American stuff...
Bluz: In the auto...
Pedro's Tune - Joe Henderson
Flamenco Sketches (alternate take) - Miles Davis
Judy's Comet - Paul Simon
Florida Room - Kamakiriad
Yah Mo Be There - James Ingram and Michael McDonald
You are Everything - Stylistics
Boxing - Ben Folds Five
User: Did I get it right? | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: As if you were your own creation
As if you were the chosen nation
And the world around you just a rude and
Dangerous invasion
GAIA
Someone's got to stop US now
Save us from US,
GAIA
User: Dynamit Harry | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Vilken jSvla smSll!
---
Gina - that's a good one, that Taylor song.
Canonman UK - wow! 4.7 bucks, that's my bid.
/C
User: jjeff | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Angel: There's still a bit of snow about, but it should
go today(thundershowers!!! A good weekend to work, as i am). This will be the
first year of spraying the trees. What do you use? 20 years ago when I had fruit
trees at the old homestead it was malathion. I'm sure that's changed.
Do you
have spring peepers down south? They're little( 1cm )frogs that sing their heart
out as soon as they're thawed out. It can be deafening at times. Definitely
music.
Steevedan:Monte's squirrel is back. It ate the bag out of the vacuum cleaner. The hazards of having a rock wall foundation.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: angel - well, as they say, "the proof is in the puddin'", but I think it's great they are creatively flexible enough to flow with the go. Left me kinda wondering what work they did in that studio back "in the '60's," as DF said. Maybe 'You Got to Walk It...' or some Jay and the Americans stuff. But the article and talk of working with the same band for all the basics without a lot of overdubs has visions of something 'Countdown...'-esque dancing in my head...
But I know enough to toss out any expectations before I hit the *play* button...
I just feel so damn lucky that they're putting out another one. That first trip through a new Steey Dan album is always full of mystery and surprise, never quite being able to predict how a phrase or chord progression will resolve. And jeez... I'm still discovering/deciphering things on TvsN. I can't wait...
tacos
t
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: jjeff: All my fruit trees have flowers and some have the beginnings of fruit. Spring is here. You thawing out yet?
Santa Ana's have been blowing all week. I think they are finally quieting down now.
Tones: So now that you have read the article, what do you think of the "stumble into analog" thing?
100 copies? Yeah, Pink guy, e-me and I will take one off your hands.
User: G. | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: oh lordy :-) aloha T! thank you, St. Al provided the
inspiration and food for thought. like James Talor sang, stop living in your
body and live in the mind. all for it!
can't get myself outa here, loads of
music by headphones, Rickie Lee's Live At Red Rocks REALLY rocks and Deacon
Blues, mmmm, sax solo now ... Now & Then, i don't know what it is today, all
i want is music. sigh.
i wish i could be there in Tacoma.
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Big Daddy - You're right, you're not the only Black fan... we are everywhere. S'up dude? Welcome.
G's right... you really gotta check out some Hank Williams Sr. Not Jr... Jr. might confirm everything you dislike about country... But Hank Sr. tells a story right up there with the best of 'em...
Or maybe someone else in your large musical family might cover that one day...
G - btw, loved your reposted post... felt it deeply.
peace
t
User: G. | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: hm ... no country music??????
you gotta start living
dangerous one day, Big Daddy :-)
Another Zappa-ish thing, see URL above, the German Zappanale website.
Lots
of nice pictures .. Mike Keneally, Ike Willis etc etc.
User: BIG DADDY | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Been a fan since I first heard Ricky when it was hot. Jacked a Target store in St. Louis for Greatest Hits when I was short on funds in '80. Still am suprised by how many people I meet that don't know SD. Fuckin' morons; they all know the songs when you hum a few bars. Dream is to do a cover of Boston Rag. I KNOW I'm not the only Black fan but we're few and far between. Oh, well; I've got thirty-some-odd musicians in my family through the years and we've touched on every genre but country I think. Holla!
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Black's Beach? Don't forget your boob glitter! Several hundred copies of A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd are sitting on my desk as I type this. Please e-mail me if you wish to acquire a copy (or even if you don't). Which One's Pink? tonight @ Platinum Live and its 90 degrees out today.
User: Gina!!!!!!!! | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Don't let me be lonely tonite
JT
right on...
bluz
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Much obliged, St. Al :-)
Happens so, when i logged in to check the GB i was listening to James Taylor's Hourglass ... the song Gaia just started, sending shivers as i read you reposted my post ... therefore the lyrics:
Gaia
The sky was light and the land all dark
The sun rose up over Central
Park
I was walking home from work
GAIA
The petal sky and the rosy
dawn
The world turning on the burning sun
Sacred wet green one we live
on
GAIA
Run run run run said the automibile and we ran
Run for your
life take to your heels
Foolish school of fish on wheels
GAIA
Turn away
from your animal kind
Try to leave your body just to live in your
mind
Leave your cold cruel mother earth behind
GAIA
As if you were your
own creation
As if you were the chosen nation
And the world around you
just a rude and
Dangerous invasion
GAIA
Someone's got to stop us
now
Save us from us, GAIA
No one's gonna stop us now
We thought we ought to walk awhile
So we left that town in a single
file
Up and up and up a mile after mile after mile
We reached the tree line and I dropped my pack
Sat down on my haunches and
I looked back down
Over the mountain
Helpless and speechless and
breathless
GAIA
Pray for the forest pray to the tree
Pray for the fish
in de deep blue sea
Pray for yourself and for God's sake
Say one for
me
Poor wretched unbeliever
Someone's got to stop us now
Save us from us, GAIA
No one's gonna stop
us now
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Gina: Something wrong with your last post causing the Guestbook to get stuck about halfway through... Not sure what it was but I'm reposting it in its entirety below:
Gina's Post----------------------
Following the lead, Aja :-) You swirl, grrrl!
Dime-hopping and the vibes
interluded a Banyan Tree Bow in Blue, but why not hop back in Yellow and have a
blend, a Green Booky Woogie, eh?
Good morning, 8.14 eurotime.
The Tacoma drummer Guinness attempt stuck in
my mind for quite some time, st. Al. Then tried to imagine the middle east
deserts and the sounds of warfare, silence and destruction. Tried to imagine
panic and young patriots on either side of this spectacle. Tried to imagine
concerned relatives glued to the television, or what makes the enlisted tick, to
be willing to give their lives and for whom ...
Tried to grasp the paradox
and harsh conflicting morals in understanding the concept of freedom, the
individual fighting for his country, or because he felt he had no choice but to
join the army, it helps pay the bills and provide a secure future rather than
see no other option because his social-economical background didn't grant him
education and a chance to discover whether he has an american dream of his own
...
To battle for a corner of a cave, or to club down a rival for a woman, to participate in competitive notions for a glittering prize, to battle over who's next in line for the cashregister or to kill a mockingbird just because ...
This is World War III.
Fitting the ways of life anno 2003.
Fitting the
contradicting ways of human nature and hidden agendas.
The lights are dimmed
and the fireworks demand the ending of many beating hearts.
So when the 200
drummers beat their beats, may they call upon this Mother Earth and have her
speak up in some way.
Time to give April's Fool Day a new meaning as well,
btw.
Off to embrace life and turn to the vibes of music,
too many pearls out
there turning against the world!
User: jjeff | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: The Zappa interview was a nice read. Thanks to
whoever.
Randy, as a rare interloper I see a mellowing in your posts over
time that you may not have noticed. That's great.
Angel, that was me. I think
of you too.
Congrats to Duncan and Linda. We need more babies born to people
who can support them. And little Dan needs someone his own age. I confess, i
thought " up the duff" meant sick.
LP: Wanna have a spring peeper contest?
Toodles.
User: two fish tacos on the coast...on shore wind ...Santa Anna and you | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Slide Hampton.."spirit of the horn"
Freddie hubbard.."open sesame"
Chris Connor.."senor blues"
Horace Silver Quintet..six pieces of silver"
Judie Tzuke..OSK.."breathless"
Jimmy Reed..the sun is shining"
Little Walter.."my babe"
Lou Rawls with Less Mc cann.."see see rider"
Stefon Harris..'the velvet couch"
Bobby Hutcherson.."spring is here"
Gary Bartz.."shadows"
James Harman Band.."the clown"
Kenny Garrett..standards of language.."kurita sensei"
Joe Beck.. just friends.."blues for joe farrell"
Less Mc Cann & Eddie Harris..lp swiss movement.."cold duck time"
Hugh Msaekela..time.."change"
Eric Alexander.."burnerswaltz"
Roomfull of Blues.."the come back"
Jimmy Witherspoon.."wake up call"
I was sitting here thinking,baby,just a minute ago.
What in the world made
me love you so?
Walter Davis
"What Made Me Love You So"
User: Canonman UK | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: I am selling a Steely Dan Tour Brochure on Ebay at the
moment. It is SIGNED by RICKY LAWSON.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519484884
The
auction lasts until 7th April
User: Fine literature, Dan connection | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: SteelyDan People: I've received some distressing news
from a friend who has had to cancel her book tour
unexpectedly for very
personal reasons. This is her third novel, If Wishes Were Horses, published by
St.Martin's Press. Her friends are banding together to attempt to accomplish
through word of mouth what is
usually the result of the book tour... that
is, get people to read the book! [after they pay for it. This is not
Abbie
Hoffman shtick].
Her first novel, Burning Down the House, was published when her name was Merry McInerney.
Right. That McInerney, whose husband wrote Bright Lights Big City.
The following statement is a most carefully worded one: the book, Burning
Down the House, is fictitious.
The protagonist of this book, which is
fictitious, essentially inspires, cowrites and edits someone else's great
hip novel while the someone else lives the fast lane sort of lifestyle not
unlike that of certain characters in
BLBC [which is also fiction]. The
someone else turns around and takes full credit... only to dump the
protagonist later. Interesting story.
sorry. where was I?
Her name is now Merry Whiteford! She is now very happily married to my former bandmate and friend.
Please check out If Wishes Were Horses. If your local bookstore does not
stock it, please ask them to order
it and while they're at it, a few copies
for the shelf wouldn't hurt. If you enjoy the book, why not pop over
to
Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com and give it a favorable review! This is more
important than you
might estimate. Editors and publishers follow these; it
helps them determine whether to up a print run or start
running
advertisements. Of course, if you enjoy the book, tell your friends!
www.merrywhiteford.com
thank you all for considering her situation
warmly
f#
User: Aja...........................must be the spectre of war | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: or the fracture, but that's not really an excuse, is it?
Dime-swirl on the beach!
Aja
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message:
For those who are into the "Belfast Cowboy," Van
Morrison will allegedly be playing at the Theater at Madison Square Garden on
Friday, June 13th, 2003 (8:00 p.m.); tickets (allegedly) go on sale on Monday,
March 31st at 9:00 a.m.; opening for Van will be soul legend Solomon Burke-
"You gotta make it / through the world / if you can..."
- Van Morrison,
'You Gotta Make It Through The World'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: ahmed sikander
Have you seen ''Peachy'' he went south you know !!
(very tenuous SD link ...Sorry)
User: ahmed sikander | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: hi
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User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: I'm grilling a 2lb steak & I have a glass of wine in
my hand.
who needs a newsletter. (tonight)
thanks for the thanks everyone.
Ohh & Piano Jazz is playing too
:)
User: Stinton Worhl | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Hey Aja meet me at Black's Beach
User: What?!! | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Gina and Aja in consecutive posts and *nary* a swirl to be seen?
Maaaaaaaan...
User: Aja..............friday, friday, FRIDAY! | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Canes, huh? I dunno, the crowd is a little scary (and way underage for me!) Speaking of underage (with a little N'awlins flavor), I saw The Radiators last night-now I know where all the Deadheads went. What a blast, but it was a little like watching my parent's play in a band-LOL! Dancing in a crowd of stoned North County-er's (where the Sixties never ended) with a fractured iliac crest was an adventure, but I came out unscathed.
Today is radiantly beautiful in San Diego-the Santa Anas have returned, it's supposed to be near 80 at the beach........what the hell am I doing here at work?!!!!!
Aja
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: hey Hoops, got nothing to do with your post, just a coincidence occurring, aah, these vibes these vibes :-)
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Hm. The way i read it, St. Al, those 200 drummers might just be(at) the flow of current affairs. Can picture the rain but alas not the coffee. And as far as i'm concerned, let them drum for hours and hours until some of the powers that be (and i'm not talking about the alleged worldleaders)awake from their beauty sleeps and well ... what's on most of our minds when it comes to a certain war, right?
Whenever i read the BB and see this yellow guestbook being put under fire or
whatever, i can't help but feel a strange grin lift my lips. what's it about
this GB vibe that makes me feel at home?
Easy. The same vibes i get when
listening to Steely Dan and having their lyrics as wonderful food for mind and
thought.
Fat chance the war will end soon, Mars and Aries reigning now ...
User: hoops | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Reminder:
TWO BIG DANFESTS!
SueDave is hosting a Seattle Danfest centering around a show by Larry
Carlton. Go SueDave!
http://home.attbi.com/%7Esuedave/seattledanfest.html
Beerberian is also having a Danfest May 3
http://www.thedancollective.co.uk/gigs.html
BE CERTAIN TO SIGN UP for the SEATTLE & UK Danfest Mailing lists to get updates on these events. Check outà
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---OR---
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àfor a complete listing of local Danfest/Dan Fan lists in your area. Sign up early and often for the lists in your favorite areas. Hundreds of people already signed up, etc., etc.
jim
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Listen up all drummers!
A world record is going to be set this weekend in Tacoma Washington. Apparently Alan White (Yes), Bun E Carlos (Cheap Trick), Michael Shrieve (Santana), Michael Dozier (Heart) and as many as 200 other drummers are converging on the local Tacoma Narrows Airport in an attempt to break the Guinness record for most drummers/drum kits in a single performance. It's to be conducted by Gerard Schwartz (Conductor of the Seattle Symphony) and is sure to be heard as far away as Portland Oregon...
You people wonder what we do with all this rain and coffee?
StAl
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: oh yeah! i feel stupid now because i used to watch that show with my cousin when i was little.
btw. i am doing pretty good and i HOPE to see the dan in june.
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Steely Doubt, The little alien, Alf had a love of cats.
They were a favorite snack of his. I suspect it was a double entendre... The TV
show was way before your time babe. How's my favorite Nephew? Hope all is well
with you. *hugs*
Congrats Duncan and Linda!
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Jono: Go back a page or two and see me getting beat up over my love for Phish. Some people JUST DON'T GET IT...
I mean, what more can you ask of a band than one who's drummer plays the vacuum cleaner, wears a dress and sometimes performs in a lighted cape while singing Suspicious Minds? God I love rock and roll...
Tones: My pancakes are so light and fluffy brown, why, they're the finest in the town!
I told my wife about the Cat Shake idea. She didn't think it was too funny. And I have a Kitchen Aid blender...
User: thirdworldman | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Long time no see
How's everyone?
Not enough controversy around here. Where is Dano?
Can't wait till the next one
Al
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Ladies & Gents I believe that Mr DB is trying to convey the joyous tidings of the fact that Mrs DB is heavy with child !!! Congratulations indeed to all involved ......... Yeah Lindy is up the duff !!!
User: Jono | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Aja - good call - I just had the urge to put in 2vN today out of the blue after not listening to ANY Steely music in probably 4-5 months (been all caught up in Phish lately! Any Phish fans in here?) Great shit!! And Bob beat me to the punch - The Steely Damned play an awesome version of Jack of Speed - sweet!! I don't know if I've heard ya play Coz Dupree yet...
So, whats the name of this other tribute band that plays Janie and What a Shame? That sounds cool - where are you guys located?
How about West of Hollywood or Almost Gothic? I think those are awesome songs and somewhat underrated. Almost Gothic is my fav off the album... Anyone else a huge fan? Its just so sexy and smooth... (hint hint! Bob, Peg, are you hearing me? :) When are you guys gonna play the Catamaran again btw? Its been too long... )
Oh and one last ting - I got the Nightfly DVD Audio today and its great - The IGY is mixed SOOOO nice - I'm hearing parts of that song I didn't even know existed.... Not as nice as the Gaucho DTS but definately nice for any surround sound audiophile... I think Steely is the perfect way to showcase 5.1 music - there are so many differnt parts and sounds and each one gets the proper treatment in the 5.1 mixes. Really good stuff. Anyone else pick this up yet?
Okay, take care everyone - nice to be back and say 'Hi'. Lookin' forward to a very Steely 2003 indeed! Woohoo!!! :)
-Jono :)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks e.
User: OsamaMamaBahama | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Who did what with the cat?
User: e | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: tones, i saw the link to the new steely dan article at the blue book. it's http://www.rockdaily.com/rd_profile/1,1164,WTKW,00.html <
did you see that the blue book is doing a decade of dandom tribute band cd? huh.
i wish bush would stop using the word 'regime' i'm sick of it. maybe if we reminded him 'regime' is a french word he'd stop using it.
i really hate it when the gb won't me sign it, says i don't have fields filled in when i do. have used ie, ns, aol even. i know this place is hard work st al but thought you should know in case i'm not the only one.
User: W1TributeBand? | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I have a really bad reggae tribute to Floyd. I dont have Dub Side but all "vibrations" from the Pink Floyd world are very "positive mon" (and they were reviewed in Rolling Stone, how that happened, I'll never know). I must acquire Dub Side for my Floyd tribute collection -- but first I must focus on trying to offset some of my substantial losses in producing "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"
User: t yet again... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: angel - hey there to you too! Can you help me out here... where's that interview you mentioned? I went to the ODP but I could find nary a word... and I don't use the word "nary" lightly... :-)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey Tribute Band - have you heard about The Dub Side of the Moon? It's a dub reggae version of Dark Side... and is apparently really good. Haven't been able to get it myself yet... Also, Dark Side... was released as a 30th anniversary SACD/CD hybrid this week.
just so's ya know...
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: St. Al - Yeah, I kinda figured out a long time ago you were probably a Zappa fan. I mean, if I were ever fortunate enough to take you up on your offer of hospitality, I'd be *mighty* disappointed if you didn't serve pancakes for breakfast...
Gina!! - hello there!! Thanks for the great info...
And Howard - thank you too for the great link! I've got lots of listening to do... I miss Frank terribly -especially these days. If only he would've/could've been elected president...
Randy - yeah, Aja's pretty awesome... but I thought *I* was your favorite poster...
t
User: Tribute Band, Tribute Record | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Steeve, Edgar Winter plays sax on "Us & Them" which appears on the "All Star Lineup Performing the Songs of Pink Floyd" compilation -- an excellent version. I have just been informed that 500 copies of "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" will be delivered to us tomorrow afternoon!
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Angel - even though I received an e-mailed response to my inquiry to the Steely Dan show at that Calif. Mid-State Fair, I just don't believe that Steely Dan would opt to play a single date, ... at a state fair no less ... in the absence of any announcement of a major tour. It's not like either Walter (Maui) or Donald (NYC or adjacent) are proximate to that north-of-San Luis Obispo locale ... I bet the whole thing gets retracted.
Aja - Pretzel Logic plays Cousin Dupree, Jack Of Speed, Janie Runaway, and What A Shame About Me from 2VN ... I've played all of the other tunes from the record solo ... something I don't do when gigging with the band.
If you are fairly close (or sufficiently motivated to drive) to Temecula ...
COME SEE PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE -- LIVE -- AT --
THE TEMECULA
BALLOON & WINE FESTIVAL
SUNDAY JUNE 8TH, 2003 ...
Pretzel Logic takes the stage at 1:00 PM.
We share the bill with "Escape" - a Journey tribute band and
The Edgar
Winter Group.
This promises to be quite an event. Bring the kids.
SteveeDan
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Nice to have you back, Bill.... Cat Shake, barf. :-)
So, the first interview is up, for the album. They kind of fell into recording it in analog. Interesting.... Really has me getting excited.
I heard on the radio yesterday that the Fleetwood Mac ticket sales were postponed. The tour management didn't feel it was appropriate during a war situation. That might be what is going on with the Paso Robles gig for Steely Dan.
The tour information on Universal and Greek were announced yesterday and
Steely Dan didn't turn up on either roster.
User: Alf | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Dear St. Alfonso,
You are correct sir!
A "cat shake" is indeed a CAT shake! Below you will
find one of my
favorite recipes. Enjoy!
Peach-Raspberry Cat Shake
*************************
1/2 cup frozen raspberries
1 cup frozen peaches
1 cup milk
1 cup
frozen vanilla yogurt
1 frozen banana (peel banana before freezing)
1
medium cat of your choice (diced)
Whirl all ingredients together in blender until smooth.
Serve immediately.
*Note*
I find that the KitchenAid Model KSB5CR works extremely well
when
making cat shakes. My old Hamilton Beach just didn't have the
oomph
to do anything larger than a very small cat.
Also, if you were willing to slip me a few cats under the table we
might
be able to overlook this little copyright infringment thing.
Between me and
the chinese resturants, New York is currently in the
midst of a cat shortage.
Sincerely,
Alf
User: should be: | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Arizona *legislature*
User: Tribrute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey Aja, things are looking good for a Which One's Pink? show at Canes on June 14. Dime dancing to Money? Stay tuned
User: Aja@iluvzappa.com | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks, Randy. I'm getting back to my irreverent self and pulling chains where ever I see them ;o)
Aja
User: Frank-ly speaking... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: excerpted from an interview broacast in 1990 on KPFA Berkeley:
Frank Zappa: (reponding to previous question) "How could the Arizona legislator create the Dildo Law? Remember, not only is the public intellectually impaired becuase they've gone through the American educational system, guess what: the guy sitting next to you at the desk in that bad school you went to - he's in the legislation business now. I mean, you have people in government who are intellectually unprepared to engage in any high-level human activity. These are basically used car salesmen that got a promotion. Or lawyers, which is worse.
So you say, 'How Can you do it?'. Take a look at who's doing it."
interviewer: "It's been a tricky year... what's the next year look like Frank?"
FZ: "Not much better."
intrvwr: "Why do you say that?"
FZ: "Because I don't think that there is any signal on the horizon that shows me that the American public is going to wake up and smell the coffee here. I think it's going to be, 'Oh look, isn't that weird? Look what they're doing in Florida. Oh that Dildo Law, that sure is strange. Oh ok...' You just consume it as entertainment. The news is consumed as entertainment. It doesn't motivate you. "
intrvwr: "When's the point going to come when people start rebelling?"
FZ: "In America? Not."
intrvwr: "Sounds pretty bleak."
FZ: "Well you asked my opinion - that's my opinion. I can't really see any kind of grass-roots rebellion of any discription in this country because it's too sedated."
intrvwr: "Do you think that's media rhetoric always saying that the next decade is going to be like the '60's and we're going to return to '60's values. What's the future for the '90's?"
FZ: "I'm not sure that the '60's values were all that terrific, I mean, they start to look pretty good compared to the '80's and '90's values. But um... I wouldn't say that the '60's were any kind of a golden age because there were a lot of stupid things that occured during the '60's.
I will say that it is my opinion that the condition we're in now is bordering on terminal, as far as the politcal and social health of the country is concerned."
intrvwr: "So we're just going to become a fascist state?"
FZ: "Unless we do something about it. That is what's at the end of the road. Facist state. We're talking about 'Romania II'. We're talking about having our own personal Ceausescu here. His name will be easier to pronounce of course. Probably be a one syllable word, like 'Bush', or 'Quayle', or something like that, but the result is the same: secret police spying on your phone calls! (knocks on table three times) 'How many dildos you got in there!?' That's what you got!"
intrvwr: "Frank, thanks for your insights."
FZ: "You're welcome."
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Aja, you are my favorite poster; at least someone
APPEARS to enjoy posts that should be understood to contain wickedly acerbic
humor; joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, and how are you doin' anyway?
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Linda's up the duff.
User: TvNisdaBomb | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: It's not just for croissants anymore:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=524&u=/ap/20030327/ap_wo_en_po/eu_gen_france_racism_surge_2&printer=1
User: Aja.........................still not working | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Yeah, that's the problem with that band, they don't stick to the basics. I'm looking for a band that will play "Reelin' In The Years", over and over for 3+ hours. Maybe throw in "My Old School" a couple of times to get adventurous.
Aja
User: StALFonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: DAMN! You caught me!
Bill, the sad thing is you know what a "cat shake" is?
What is it? Is it what I think it is? If so, what a fabulous idea for our cat...
User: Tribute Band, Tribute Band, Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Aja Bob's too stuck in paying tribute to "classic" Dan, ya know, like All Too Mobile Home, Second Arrangement, etc. to come up to speed on TvN -- oh wait, he does play TvN, Jack of Speed, and Cousin Dupree -- nevermind
User: Aja............. with the firm of Insults, Criticisms, and Expletives, LLP | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Been listening to this AWESOME CD lately. I was going through my CD collection looking for something to complement this gorgeous spring weather when I stumbled upon this one. I don't know why I don't listen to it more, it's incredible music, and even though I've heard it many times before, there were still things that seemed new (or at least never got old). What is it? Two Against Nature! If you haven't heard it in a while, give it a whirl-this is hands down their most underrated CD.
Any dipsh!+ who doesn't agree with me can go f#&$ themselves.
Now if I could just find a tribute band who plays this stuff........
Aja
User: Alf | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Dear St. Alfonso,
I hereby serve you with this cease and desist order sir.
You have
infringed on my copywright long enough! I spent many years
on television
honing and developing my acting skills only to have some
upstart webmaster
from Seattle steal my name.
If you wish to continue using my Alf trademark you will be required to
pay the appropriate royalties as well as handing over the approval
rights to all your future matierial.
Sincerely,
Alf
7th Avenue
New York, NY 10015
(...and yes, I still do enjoy an
occasionaly cat shake)
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: >Hmm.. that sounds like a Phrase which contains an
insult, a criticism,
>and an expletive doesn't it?
Which is taken out of context. Another popular thing to do when trying to make a weak point.
Regarding James McMurty, I haven't heard his latest work. The radio station in town here seems to have forgotten he exists, which is a damn shame because he's another I'd lump into the "Great American Artists" category. And yes, I do have the album you mention. I especially love his raspy vocal delivery. Saw him live a few years back and it still ranks as one of my favorites small venue experiences.
StAl
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
(In reference to post #2332) Hooray, you got it;
perhaps the lost art of ironic sarcasm identification isn't dead-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: hmm... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: "Cheers also to you for being able to disagree...without
the use of
insults, personal attacks, criticisms, and expletives..."
Okay, this part is fine Randy BUT...
"which some other little fuckers around here seem unable to do."
Hmm.. that sounds like a Phrase which contains an insult, a criticism,
and
an expletive doesn't it?
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
St. Al - Great point(s) in post #2328; normally I
have no expectations with bands/artists playing cover material, i.e. I don't
expect them to match or copy any particular element of the original song.
Sometimes when they keep things the same, it's still interesting (but generally
not as good), and sometimes changing the arrangement and instrumentation
completely is engaging (and sometimes disasterous). One good example would be
Tori Amos' album 'Strange Little Girls,' on which she did a version of The
Beatles' "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"; it was VERY different, and though I didn't
particularly care for it, I admired her choice and willingness towards
experimentation to achieve something else with the composition.
While the last sentence of my post did state "But then, who in the realm of music could top or even hope to compete with the immaculately played and produced original to start with?", I generally don't put ANY music in a competitive light wherein a band or artist has to "compete" with the original (as you noted), or simply manufacture a "recreation" for that matter (though Phil Collins' recreations of "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "You Can't Hurry Love" were good).
By the same token, there was nothing to intend what is frequently misconstrued as "hero worship" or idolization ( I don't worship anybody) with the above-referenced sentence; it was merely the indication that Steely Dan tend to deliver the best possible arrangement, instrumentation, and recording approach in regards to the rendering of the song(s), which is what they spend so much time meticulously doing; now if only more bands/artists would take more time and consideration with their work...
Cheers also to you for being able to disagree (with engaging discourse no less) without the use of insults, personal attacks, criticisms, and expletives (which some other little fuckers around here seem unable to do).
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. You never did chime in 'bout James McMurtry a couple weeks back; do you have 'Where'd You Hide The Body'?
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Molly dear, is "addy" slang for Grandmother?
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
OMG - Now Molly has got Clas using words like
"sugarpie"....yyyyuck
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Randy. Boy do I disagree with your analysis of Wilco
as it is my belief that Wilco is one of the last great uniquely American bands.
However, attempting to sway your opinion on this is probably futile, so I wont
even try.
Applying the Wilco formula to a Steely Dan song is rather dubious if your intention upon listening to a cover is to hear a thoughtful recreation of the original song, or, at the very least, a major nod toward the original artists intent as far as song structure and mood goes.
But when I listen to a cover I like to hear just the opposite. I like to hear another artist take the original work and mold it into something uniquely their own. Especially when the artist covering the song is an established artist with a strong body of original work (like Wilco). That's exactly what Wilco did to Any Major Dude. You may not like what they did and that's cool. But I wonder if people (not necessarily you) sometimes expect an artist covering a song to not deviate from the original artists intent -- and any attempt to do so is blasphemous?
Just a thought.
Tribute Band: You forgot the playing card in the spokes...
StAl
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Molly! The Deveraux/Lewis family reunion?! I am jumping 4 joy sugarpie!
Say *when*.
And my Grandfather, you'll see him if you follow the URL above, 1883 it was, a great year! Look at his Spandax Jacket, cool uh?
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Whoo Hey! I'm there Sneakers...lol ;)
Clas, I'm very
weary from my Climbing Chatroom battles and need some R&R. Those guys are
skinny but very strong for their size. I'd love Grandpa's photo and your addy as
well. So I can say "hello" to your grumpy ass occasionally. Since you are my
long lost half-brother, I've asked that you be included in the Deveraux/Lewis
family reunion. I'll send details and directions to you soon. Everyone is
looking forward to meeting you. Your Mom is also
invited.*mmmmmmwwwwwaaaaahhhhhh!
Sue, thanks Sugarbritches. I like you
too.
Mu, you are a damn fine looking man....and nice to boot! Mrs. Mu is
pretty as well.
off to get in some bouldering on this fine day
Be peaceful
and loving M
User: W1P the Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I have no idea what I'm saying. I got a bike, you can ride it if you like, its got a basket, a bell that rings, and things that make it look good. I'd let you ride it if I could, but I borrowed it.
Aus, good to see you're "down" with Six Feet Under.
Spinal Tap Tribute "These Go to 11"? Am I saying I know of a Spinal Tap tribute that goes by this name?
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Steely-folk,
While the following should be prefaced with the simple fact that I rarely enjoy cover material in regards to studio efforts by any given artist (with the occasional exception), as well as the fact that I have generally attempted to avert being unnecessarily nasty or harsh when writing CD or concert reviews over the years, I thought special merit should be granted to the notably energy-depleted band Wilco for their typically listless, sodden cover version of Steely Dan's "Any Major Dude Will Tell You," which I had the disappointment of hearing for the first time this morning.
Rarely has a song as astutely arranged and composed as this been saddled with a recording that contains such leaden drumming, uninspired vocals, and generally unfocused and uninteresting playing; while aware of the prospect that the bands' intention may very well be to sound as if they are suffering from (a) poorly scheduled late night/early morning recording sessions, (b) perpetual exhaustion, (c) insomnia, (d) valium addiction, or (e) severe brain damage, I'd have to say that overall Wilco's version was wholly unmemorable (as with most of their original material for that matter, the approach to which seems to suffer from all of the above). But then, who in the realm of music could top or even hope to compete with the immaculately played and produced original to start with?
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. Oleander - Check your e-mail.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Gina - howdy. West 42nd Street? Sorry, can't make it.
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey! I'm not sure most of you know this, but I too am a Zappa fan...
Sue: I've already started plotting an alternate course to the White River Amphitheater just in case. I'm thinking a northerly approach for me might be better. Visualize a Woodstock-type traffic jam, only on a slightly smaller scale.
Ok, so how's this for proper use of technology..? Some dude with WAY TOO MUCH time on his hands came up with one of the coolest hacks I've ever seen. He's devised a way to SCAN an old vinyl LP and run the scanned image through a program to reproduce the recording digitally...
Read about it here: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/
StAl...where I stole the margarine...
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I too am a huge Zappa fan. He's done so much, in so many styles, it's hard to pick out favourites...
Like Randy, I like the different sides to his music and personality - the guitar player, the funny guy, the composer, the band leader, the guy who likes to make serious points by taking the piss out of certain politicians/religous extremists...
I also love the way the different elements are used against each other. For example on Civilisation Phaze III, there is some of the best music he's ever recorded. Not all easy listening, but stuff that needs time to be appreciated. Then, sandwiched between some of these blocks of great music are 30-second snippets of people talking about living in a piano and contemplating "dark water", "ponies" etc. Mad stuff, but it's a great way to cleanse the palate between tracks. Kind of a musical "amuse bouche".
Mock Turtle - you said you'd love to hear what he had to say about these times. Well, here's an interesting snippet:
http://207.212.72.141/zappa1.html (go down to "It's an Arab Problem!")
He was of course talking about the first Gulf War, but (surprise, surprise) almost all of what he says applies in exactly the same way right now!
Here's an excerpt:
"Well my feeling is that basically it's an Arab problem and should be settled by Arabs. I dont think that any time there is a problem any place in the world that the United States should suddenly jump up and send hundreds of thousands of soldiers over there to fix it. And I believe that when the US government says that we're sending soldiers there to fight for a principle they're being somewhat dishonest because the only thing they're really concerned about is the oil. They're not going there to protect democracy because Kuwait was not a democracy, and neither is Saudi Arabia. Both of these countries had very very strict regimes."
Howard
User: bad sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hi folks
Have been away for a while but now I have decided to form my Spinal Tap tribute band - We have chosen an eclectic mix of old and new covers for our one and only show - Next weekend (Obviously there will only be one performance as the drummer will spontaneously combust at the end of the gig)
Set list so far includes
Stonehenge
Sex farm
Big bottom
Tonight I'm gonna rock you
(tonight)
The majesty of rock
Lick my love pump
Trademark
solos
Little sandwiches scene re-enactment
Flower people
Comfortably
numb
Deacon Blues
East St Louis Toodle OOOOOOh
Baghdad shuffle
Fire
in the hole
Bolero
Any other suggestion for our ever burgeoning set should be forwarded to St Allahs new web poll - "Set list for the worlds undoubted best tribute band".
I have grown a mullet especially for the occasion and had a series of special Marshall stacks commissioned that go up to 11 instead of ten - There will be backstage canapes but none with any spam or eco friendly tuna - Half time will see a series of readings from such luminaries as Anthony Beevor and Eric Hobsbawn especially for Dr Mu, who may or may not give us a pro war diatribe for half an hour.
Clas and that other guy he pretends to be will be presenting a Swedish Meatball cookery class and Buffalo Bill will be demonstrating advanced steer-roping techniques in the foyer before jumping the grand Canyon on a Suzuki 125. Dano may be drunk - Molly is welcome as we are all Scottish.
Other women will be welcome but only to lay the roadies and tidy up afterwards.
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Howdy Clas :-)
Howdy others, i saw talk about Zappa in here, well ...
This might interest
you!
G.
CANDY ZAPPA, NIGEY LENNON
NEW YORK APPEARANCES FOR APRIL 2003
California Classics authors and musicians Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon will be making several appearances in the New York City area at the beginning of April, 2003. The appearances coincide with the joint publication of ZappaÆs new book, MY BROTHER WAS A MOTHER: A ZAPPA FAMILY ALBUM and the new edition of LennonÆs book BEING FRANK: MY TIME WITH FRANK ZAPPA.
The appearances that have been confirmed at press time (mid-March 2003) are as follows. Please contact California Classics for updates nearer to the actual appearance dates.
Friday, April 5: Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon guest with Project/Object at B.B. KingÆs Blues Club, 237 West 42 Street, New York; (212) 997-4144. www.bbkingblues.com. Two sets, beginning at 8 p.m; standing room only.
Thursday, April 10: Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon sign copies of their books at 6:30 p.m. at the ôoriginalö (1873) Barnes and Noble Bookstore, 105 Fifth Avenue (at 18th Street), New York; (212) 807-0099.
Sunday, April 13: Candy Zappa, Nigey Lennon and John Tabacco guest host the Zappathon radio program, WUSB Stony Brook, New York, 90.1 FM; netcast at www.wusb.org. All day program devoted to the music of Frank Zappa. Rare and unreleased tracks will be played. Zappa and Lennon will discuss their books and music. Also featured will be Greg Russo, author of the Frank Zappa reference book COSMIK DEBRIS: THE COLLECTED HISTORY AND IMPROVISATIONS OF FRANK ZAPPA.
User: From: inthesetimes.com | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: A woman is asking Kurt Vonnegut:
IÆd love to know your thoughts for a woman of 43 who is finally ready to have
children but is wary of bringing new lives into such a frightening
world.
Elizabeth Gratch
Ypsilanti, Michigan
Dear Elizabeth,
DonÆt do it! It could be another George W. Bush or
Lucrezia Borgia.
The kid would be lucky to be born into a society where even the poor people
are overweight, but unlucky to be in one without a national health plan or
decent public education for most, where lethal injection and warfare are forms
of entertainment, and where it costs an arm and a leg to go to college. This
would not be the case if the kid were a Canuck or Swede or Limey or Frog or
Kraut. So either go on practicing safe sex or emigrate.
Kurt
User: Sorry | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: It's Kurt Loder. Not Loden.
User: C@w | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute Band - "Well, I know about a tribute band called Which One's Pink?"
Are you saying that you DO know a band called Which One's Pink, or are you ASKING us if you know a band called Which One's Pink?
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Jimbo - maybe I'm a little slow, how did we come to speak about Loden? I only remember the guy from his Rolling Stone-days.
And a smokey interview chat with Neil Young, a quiet night at the poolside on Young's backyard, on MTV, during the Gulf War.
Neil Young goes;
-We want their oil man, we want their oil, why can't we be open about that?
User: suedave | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Haven't been here for a while, I've missed this place! It's so great when everything is just as it was when you left it ;)
Pat - the White River Ampitheater - A nice rambling 2 lane road between Auburn & Enumclaw. Imagine the traffic jam getting out of there? Unbelieveable they finally got approval to build the place. But I'll see SD whereever they play - including at a state fair if that's where they are - but if they play there I'll be heading southbound to get outta there.
Randy - "Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not
truth, truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music, music is the
best."
-Frank Zappa, 1979
I think that'll be my favorite quote going forward - for a while anyways.
Tones - good one.
Pat - the mountain is playing a lot of crap these days. Jason Mraz is near the top of the heap. Most of the music scene these days reminds me of the 80's. Good thing the mountain does Friday night flashback and the alternative Sunday shows. The Michael Moore show sounds like a hoot. Email me the details, will ya?
Clas - eeeww.
Moll - you really dress this place up!
Dumb - liked the Zappa choice you brought for us to read.
one page is as far as I can catch up for the moment, glad to get at least this far!
BTW - Seattle Danfest to see Larry Carlton on April 12th - details http://home.attbi.com/~suedave/seattledanfest.html or click above.
See ya maybe,
Susan
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute Band: Yes. I too heard "Peg" by Steely Dan on the new episode of Six Feet Under. I watch the show religiously myself but Oscar competed this past Sunday in the same time slot. So I caught the encore tonight.
Aus
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Alas, Senator Patrick Moynihan, dead at 76.
One of the few politicians who ever really tried.
God Bless, Mr. Moynihan.
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute bands? Did someone say tribute bands? Well, I know about a tribute band called Which One's Pink? and they're playing this Saturday 3/29 @ Platinum Live 11345 Ventura Blvd, Studio City and next Saturday 4/5 @ Club SoHO in Santa Barbara. There's an 80% chance that "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" will finally be delivered this Friday and available for acquisition at the 3/29 show. This is a good way to pass the time while waiting for the debut performance of Action Jackson a tribute to Jackson Brown in Stockholm.
User: Aja | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: The lack of logic, comprehension, or intelligent discussion is a dead giveaway. Sorry Bill, no way. This is America ;o)
Aja
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: welcome back bill !!!!
User: Baghdad or Baghdead? | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Aja please shut up.
He stayed within his own borders with 2 very notable exceptions,
the
last of which caused the Persian Gulf war. If he had been allowed
to
imperialize Kuwait he would have gone further and further and further.
This
FU@K has cost our country alot of time, money, and even some lives.
I
sincerely hope he's dead. If he isn't dead then lets make him that way
and
get this fu@king thing over with.
Btw, South Africa, Rwanda, and Cambodia never systematically aided
and
abetted any terrorists either sister. Nor did ever have a hand
in
attacking us on our own soil. Nor would they hide behind skirts
and
baby carriages. At least they had the balls to stand and fight like
men.
Which is more than we can say for your friends in Iraq.
You see they're alot like you Aja. They have no moral basis for what
they
do so they simply reley upon what they've been told to believe.
Oh,
and how many police have your so-called "peace activists" injured
during
thier anti-war rallys? I see, it's "Give me peace or I'll bust
your head open
with this liquor bottle"?
Think!
User: Aja.................SSDD | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: "Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler" says Fantasywhacker. Yeah, he's an evil bastard, though the "since Stalin and Hitler" allegation is a stretch since he pretty much stays within his own borders, with two notable exceptions. I'm with Paige-there is a heck of a lot more going on behind this than the government lets on, and it's been going on for quite a long time. Is anyone naive enough to believe that we're charging into Iraq because people are suffering? People have suffered in South Africa, Rwanda, Cambodia, Afghanistan, ad nauseum, yet we looked the other way (including Hitler's regime, and Stalin was our ally). This is about politics, and our brave men and women, whose dedication to our country is unquestionable, are being sent as pawns for fictitious reasons. Anyone who has a loved one over there (and I do) should be livid.
Back to music. Anyone know a good tribute band out there?
Aja
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey skadevsllare. If you want your tribute band to be
successful, you need to throw yourself into the project as if nothing else
matters (tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands). To really
do Jackson justice, you'll need a mad scientist looking David Lindley clone.
Maybe you can take a few shots at a Darryl Hannah lookalike while you're at
it.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Um, no...
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: So Michael Moore-on is the great white hope of the left now?
Michael Moron, has a nice ring to it don't you think?
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Clas- Kurt Loder still with M (no longer for music)TV? Boy did Kurt sell out more than ever. I remember when he used to just write for Rolling Stone and put out articles and reviews. But now after all those years, Loder is still trying to get in with the hip crowd.
BTW: I bought the Dixie Chicks concerts DVD last weekend. Happily, none of the customers or the store's employees called me UnAmerican. I guess that means they know how to read, listen and think. I think those who don't like today's idea of Country (I'm one of them)are the ones who'll stick with the Chicks.
I think this weekend, I'll buy Michael Moore's book, Stupid White Men. Why? It's the patriotic thing to do.
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message:
Interesting to see the talk about Sir Frank (Zappa);
while I do enjoy his more humor-oriented work, I was always partial to him as a
composer and arranger, but even more so as a guitarist, of which he is
considered (by this poster) as one of the greats. The Zappa albums I play the
most have always been the three-CD set of 'Shut Up 'n' Play Yer Guitar' (1981),
'Hot Rats' (1969), and 'Guitar' (1988). While always connecting with his
politics and scatological humor, I'd rather just hear him play; for that alone
he is truly missed-
"Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not truth,
truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music, music is the best."
-Frank Zappa, 1979
"I'm nothing but a stranger in this world..." - Van Morrison, 'Astral Weeks'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Mock Turtle | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Funny that Zappa reference came up. I've got You Are What You is on my MP3 player these last few days. I find myself kind of liking his later stuff better than the older Flo and Eddie days. You Are What You is definitely isn't his best, but is of interest because every song is a scathing attack on one institution or another.
Too bad Frank's not around these days. I would love to hear what he would have to say about these crazy times. We need all the dissenting voices we can get.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Everyone get's bashed in here no matter what band you listen to...
And yes Tones, I just chose to ignore...
Speaking of band bashing. Anyone heard an artist called Jason Mraz? One of his songs is getting some heavy play on KMTT and I've got to say it one of the worst songs I've heard in a very long time. I get the impression, though, that he'd be better live.
I have tickets to see Michael Moore speak at a local college on the 15th of April. Can't wait.
StAl
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey! I'm thinking of starting up a Jackson Browne Tribute Band. In order to do so, I need to organize an audition.
So, if there's a redhead out there, playing congas and shaker, having her own apartment, I wish to get in contact with her.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Stagehands Union - three dots, not five two or seven, three dots... space after comma, like this.
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Here's a link:
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=390867
From inside Bagdadh.
User: The Stagehands Union | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Sorry, we didn't realize you knew what A heart was....
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: The Stagehands Union - In a shape of A heart, not THE heart.
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Molly?
User: The Stagehands Union | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: It was widely reported that the applause for Jackson Browne at a recent concert came from 5 stagehands who really like "Shape of the Heart".
"Yes, the rest of the audience must have been expecting 'Lawyers In Love' or something, but the stagehands hollering and applause was heard louder than the rest of the concert hall...amazing.." said I.M. Sober, reporter for The Liberal Daily.
More on this story as it develops...
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Molly, do you want to see a picture of my grandfather?
User: Moll the Mistress of Mayhem, and Chat Room Slayer | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey Everyone! It's finally Spring here in Hooterville.
The Mistress of Mayhem has been doing the Happy Spring Dance for days now. ;) Of
course, I'm glued to the TV like most others. I have two brothers and a couple
of close friends that are in the Military.
Fife, I've been busy in the
Climbing Chat Room as a Slayer. Someone dropped some Ecstasy in their water
supply, and I had to subdue the lot with their own rappelling ropes to keep them
from hurting themselves. No small feat as most of them are very apt with knots
(both tying and untying) Then because Ecstasy is a very tactile drug, they were
all enthralled with my new latex catsuit. I'm going to file a complaint with the
Chat Slayers union about our work attire...No matter how much Bluz oe Beth
complains, I'm losing the latex. I will visit the Talking Heads room soon. While
my attraction to Scottish men is well known, these days I have my eye on a
certain Englishman. He has eyes the color of the ocean and resembles Hugh Grant.
Well, Deck has a better body than Hugh....but you get my point.*wink* Until I
return from my Slayer travels, I'm counting on you to keep Banyan Trees safe and
orderly Fife. See ya soon! *kisses* M
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: this is from "inthesetimes":
And then there was Michael Moore. He received a standing ovation when Bowling for Columbine was announced the winner of best documentary. The Chicago TribuneÆs Mark Caro reported that the pressroom also erupted in applause when it was announced that Moore had won.
Taking the stage, flanked by documentary filmmakers, Moore said:
IÆve
invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us. They are here in
solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in
fictitious times. We live in the time when we have fictitious election results
that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending
us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it is the fiction of duct tape or the
fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr.
Bush. Shame on you. And any time that you have the Pope and the Dixie Chicks
against you, your time is up.
John Horn of the Los Angeles Times reported
that ôas MooreÆs speech reached its crescendoö Oscar producer Gil Cates and
director Louis Horvitz, who were in the production truck, decided ôto cut him
off. æMusic! Music!Æ Horvitz yelled. The orchestra quickly drowned out the rest
of MooreÆs speech.ö And his microphone receded into the floor.
Most of the Hollywood audience smiled and applauded, but stagehands, who were close to the microphones, booed loudly, making it appear to a television listener that MooreÆs criticism of President Bush was not well received.
ôIt was so sweet backstage, you should have seen it. The Teamsters are helping Michael Moore into the trunk of his limo,ö quipped Steve Martin after a commercial break.
Backstage, Moore kept up his criticism. These remarks were well reported by
the TribuneÆs Mark Caro and the Chicago Sun-Times Bill Zwecker, but most of the
national media ignored them.
Reporter: Why did you do what you
did?
Moore: IÆm an American.
Reporter: ThatÆs it?
Moore: Well thatÆs a
lot. IÆm an American, and you donÆt leave your citizenship when you enter the
doors of the Kodak Theatre. ... I donÆt stop being who I am when I come to this
ceremony, and IÆm extremely grateful for this response.
Moore wanted it made
clear that despite the loud boos from the stagehands, the Hollywood audience was
behind him: ôDonÆt report that there was a split decision in the hall because
five people booed,ö he said. ôI did not hear that. I saw the entire place stand
up and applaud, applaud a film that talks about how we are manipulated by the
fear thatÆs put forth by the White House and put forth by corporate America to
create a culture of violence at home and abroad.ö
Noting that his book Stupid White Men is on the nonfiction bestseller list, Moore said, ôMy fingerÆs on the pulse of where I think the majority of Americans are at, and I think it would be irresponsible of me not to say what I felt. I donÆt think anyone who voted for me for this award thought theyÆd get a speech about agents and lawyers or the lawyers of agents.ö America, he said, is ônot divided ... the majority of Americans do not want to see their boys or girls killed in this war. The majority of people do not want to see our democracy hijacked by the squatter on federal land at 1600 Pennsylvania. I just happen to believe in one person, one vote, and you count all the votes.ö
Naturally, the national media, which have been busy as wartime cheerleaders, falsely reported that Moore was not well received. Kurt Loder of MTVÆs report on Michael MooreÆs ôwitless flip-outö was typical. Loder wrote: ôMoore brought all of the losing nominees in his category up onstage with him as a show of æsolidarity.Æ (Uh oh.) He then launched into a raving denunciation of æour fictitious president,Æ which ... okay, a lot of people feel this way. But MooreÆs spittle-flecked undulations were so over-the-top, that even the Oscar crowdùhis natural constituency, you might thinkùerupted in a storm of boos. This was totally unexpected.ö
Are Loder et al softening us up for another Hollywood blacklist? Boycott Hollywood already wants to dim the lights of 94 outspoken stars.
A statement released by the Screen Actors Guild, earlier in the month, put it this way: ôSome have recently suggested that well-known individuals who express æunacceptableÆ views should be punished by losing their right to work. This shocking development suggests that the lessons of history have, for some, fallen on deaf ears.ö
The furor over MooreÆs comments will no doubt continue. We should remember the words of Barbara Streisand, who said, ôI am glad that I live in a country that guarantees every citizen, including artists, the right to say and to sing what you believe.ö In a culture where the Dixie Chicks are being blacklisted, it was an affirmation that needed to be made.
User: What'sgoingonnow | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: the answer is : no Ho Chi Minh trail...no ability to continuously resupply...
But there are 10,000-60,000 Fedayeen - a terrorist SS group headed by Saddam's son opened mortar and AK-47 fire when Shiites attempt to throw down their shackles in Basrah. The British have come to their aid... Now there is word that the Fedayeen (as predicted) are dressing in US military uniforms and killing civilians...
...and what is the Republican Guard doing with gas masks, chemical suits sealed up tight and atropine for weapons they don't have? the order for use of chemical weapons against the coalition...
It's nervous time with the 101st Airborne out of their element playing clean-up when Iraqi officers order the dismantling of the Geneva convention committing atrocity after atrocity against...and the 4th Cavalry, which supposedly are the best unit, not in Turkey but crossing the Suez Canal. The Nightmare scenario is Stalingrad, not 'Nam especially given our committment to preserve civilians while the other side hides in hospitals, child care centers, schools...we're fortunate to have only 20 casualties so far - the real work begins...
It's time to put the lens caps on the imbedded cameras...and the excessive coverage and Lesley Stahl...war is not a spectator sport...
...The Pope against war? a shocker...wish I could say the same re: pedophilia...
...dolphins join the coalition to identify mine clearing targets to bring in humanitarian aid...
praying for a swift resolution and a Dan single soon...
User: transfer from the blue pages | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Intelligance and sophistication?? Oh my God. Like chasing a 21 year old around with a cigar then surrounding yourself with Lawyers and lying under oath, then impeached! Real sophysticated and bright--good judgement and leadership.Before that he was Big Mac chompin' Baba. Your criteria is truly truly frightening. Were 450 tomahawk missles he launched into Irag at $1 million each sophisticated or Intelligent?
BTW really ....Phish sucks
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: St Al - Man... you *are* getting old! (I can say that because I'm older than you are...) Can't believe you let my crack about Phish slide by. I was laughing so hard I could barely see the *send* button.
Btw, I think they're ok... I just couldn't resist...
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Nobody on the Yellow watches Six Feet Under?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Damn -- finally found a webpage for this new NW venue. http://www.muckleshoot.nsn.us/
It's a CLEAR CHANNEL shed just like all the other crappy sheds around the country.
BOOOOO
StAl
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Tones -- ultimately you're right. The dilemma is only in my head as I know exactly what I'd do assuming this happened. Let's face it, the chances Phish will continue touring for years to come is much greater than you know who...
I'm dying to see a show at this new amphitheater. Supposedly has a roof but the sides are open? Lollapalooza '03 is set to play there this Summer. Would love to see Jane's Addiction, Audioslave, etc, but I promised my wife only 2 concerts (Phish & Steely Dan) this Summer with an option for a third (String Cheese). Love the music at Lollapalooza -- not sure I can deal with the crowd...
I guess I'm getting old.
Pat
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Very sorry to hear about Mark Knopfler's motorcycle
accident in London
last week. Mark apparently was struck by a car in London
and broke six
ribs and his collarbone in the accident. He was scheduled to
perform
with Eric Clapton at Albert Hall today.
Anyone who hasn't picked up his latest cd "The Ragpickers Dream" is
missing out on a good one.
Wishing Mark a speedy recovery.
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: St. Al - What dilemma? You listen to one of the live Phish cds on the way to see the Dan. No dilemma there... lol...
In terms of logic, Phish probably has 20 to 30 more good years in them, while the Dan may only have 15 to 20 more good years... I say see the Dan now, and you can see Phish later, when they get good...
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Q: Interesting. Odd place for the band to play anyway...
Speaking of tour announcements, one just out of beautiful Vermont. PHISH! So, to all you Phishheads out there, be sure to check out:
http://phishtickets.rlc.net
I certainly hope Steely Dan doesn't decide to hit the NW on July 12th or 13th. Phish is scheduled to hit the Gorge on those dates, however, there is a new outdoor venue in Seattle (called the White River Amphitheater) which I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Steely Dan play. Would present a dilemma for sure...
Ever stumble upon an old piece of music only to (re)discover it in a completely new manner? Been listening to Jesse Colin Young's Songs For Juli, specifically "Ridgetop," a lot lately. What a beautiful piece of music. How did I forget about that?
Does that happen to you?
StAl
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: "ticket sales"...
Also,the Dan slot/narrative has been removed from their site.
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Official word JUST recvd by direct contact with the Mid-State Fair in CA - "tickets for the (supposed) Steely Dan show have been postponed"...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Jackson had a percussionist with the band this time. Great backup singer she was too. I must say the band was so cool, no stupid attitude, just great musicians standing there playing.
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Wasn't this Moore guy, on the Oscar-event, funny?
-If you have the Pope and the Dixie Chick against you, you must understand you're in trouble.
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message:
Here is the URL to the PBS segment called: "The War
Behind Closed Doors"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/
The entire program can be streamed in 6 segments. Pretty interesting stuff about what our government does behind the scenes. A must see. It's the feel good film of the summer.
-Paige
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Dear <.....>...(By the way, thanks for using your real name, it shows great personal conviction)
I'm not sure that I stated that Bush should be (as you put it) sitting around and watching TV all day. I merely felt that he had an obligation to review the videos of what is happening to the people he has sent to war. As a former officer in the US Army, I would want to see what is happeneing to the men and women under my command. I would feel that it was my duty in that I am responsible for their well-being. I am "shocked and awed" that the "Commander and Chief" did not see these videos.
And as far as Clinton goes...
I did not elect a Pope. I elected someone to
run this country with intelligence and sophistication.
Someone on the Right stated to me once that ...."Can't you see that President Clinton is a terrible role model for our children?" Let me tell you something...I wouldn't have ANY politician be a role model for my children. ALL politicians are corrupt and should never be looked upon as role models.
All things considered...the Monica situation seems pretty tame to what's going on now.
Finally...
There was a "Frontline" presentation a few days ago on PBS that
everyone should see. It deals with the plan against Iraq long before Bush took
office. The war with Iraq has little to do with terrorism. This was and is the
"Bush Doctrine" which has been in the works for a very long time.
Thanks again "<.....>."
-Paige
User: Ru | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Angel: Thank you but, I haven't posted here in almost a year. I think you have the wrong anon.
User: <.....> | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: paige, we didnt elect him to sit around and watch TV anymore than we want him chasing interns around the oval office. Its comforting the president doesnt rely on CNN or ABC for his information.
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: jjeff: I thought of you this past weekend as I was working in my garden. Glad you are ok.
Did anyone see the comment on the Blue Book regarding someone hearing 2 cuts
from the album? (a quick cut and paste here, the following words are not
mine.)
"Heard 'The Last Mall (classic Kamakiriad-type Fagen with 2VN-style
Becker blues doodling) and 'Godwhacker' (funky bass/lead thing going on, sounds
excellent) this morning."
Do you think that means some promo copies are making the rounds?
User: Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb? | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: The Turing guy was actually pretty funny this time.
User: Ru | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Clas: To be honest, I'd rather talk about the war.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Great show last night. Jackson Browne and band. They were a little tired and homesick, but very relaxed and loose.
"The Naked Ride Home", "Late for the Sky", "The Pretender", followed by "Running on Empty", heavy stuff.
"For Taking the Trouble", "Lives in the Balance", "In the Shape of a Heart"... at the end, he asked us, the audience, if we could let him off playing The Loadout/Stay.
This is what my wife told me when she woke me up. According to her, I fell asleep very early into the show, during "Barricades of Heaven".
No, just kidding.
Great Artist, Jackson Browne.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: will
User: Pop Quiz | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Due to false surrenders there were a limited number of ambushes. As a result, the "white flag" sill not receive the respect it deserves. One foolish reporter asked if this might become a continous scenario, like Vietnam. This is logistically impossible. Why? Explain.
Hints:
Robin Williams
Wizard of Oz
Good Morning
User: FantasyWhacker | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: PSA Iraq341: The attacks were conducted by sneaky
Republican Guard units waving white flags, who are composed of a limited number
of SUNNIS. The greatful people of the South are Shiites....we will cover our
asses better from this point forward...
If conflict were taking place anywhere in the civilized world or in Iraq and the US Marines capture and a pilot had to eject over our territory, he could expect to be captured upon parachuting to earth. He would expect his captors to be cautious toward him but know that he, a lone individual with at most a side arm, could not present much of a threat.
Contrast this with the televised scenes we saw yesterday on Al Jazeera of Iraqi soldiers firing wildly into the Tigris River and setting riverbank reeds on fire in a crazed attempt to murder a defenseless pilot they thought was there.
OR horrid scenes US Marines who had excuted, raped, tortured...and they smiled...
...and we found the big smoking chemical factory gun in Najir before it became a smoking gun...
Peace will have a Chance after we kill the bastards...
Human Shields Wise Up:
Arnaud de Borchgrave, UPI's Editor at Large:
"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present.
Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East and a former human shield, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality."
Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists.
"Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.""
User: jjeff-a quick bit of the in-out | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: I don't post anymore but I do occasionally read. I t was nice to be greeted with Zappa's Dumb All Over. Too bad he couldn't have put it to music ;-).
Peace, people.
User: Dumb All Over | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message