SIS Archives -- May 2000

How about GROOVE COLLECTIVE and SD...or SOUL COUGHING and SD (oops, they just broke up) or how about THE BAND, you know the back-up guys, just come out early and hit us with sum dam JAZZ. That'll do her.

worm: Sounds like it ain't over till it's over. Thanx, I have been studying the wormid tongue and unlike a recent poster, I purr sun a Leigh in Joy ids Depps. Fountains of Wayne, that new album is not bad.

Aja: You are sooo right. That type of listener will walk up to an instore listening station with the whole CD and inevitably will tune immediately to the tune they can hear six times an hour on the radio, grab their pal, they nod approvingly, set down the phones and buy the same slop all the other hogs are buying. Thank god for people like all of you.

MidniteC: Thanx for letting me live that show again. Looked supremo from row numero ocho.

Ole: Girl you da masta tweaka. I just recently slammed into yo bad site ugin. You, Grandmasta St. Al, and MC Hoops be off da hook wid ya'lls hieroglyphic joints. (Psst...get the hall of flame ready...)

Chere: By the time I send this you will have POSTED !!! It's scary, sis. Hope the back is not as whack. Get well soon.

OK, I think it's time to propose the institution of The GuestBook Auxiliary. Some of us have saintly and long-suffering spouses who merely give a wry grin at our latest "Get a load of the Osaka setlist!!!" Others, like the Sportcoat, I mean Blazer, have to slink up to the computer during the hour of the wolf to whisper through the cyberkeyhole. Others, who knows, have SO's who would have the divorce papers out in a New York nano if they knew half the shit slung here. Seems to me that tour time is the right time to get them all together. Maybe they can quilt, or tat, or at least get a good buzz on together and swap war stories ("My wife/ hubby drove TWELVE HOURS to spend a weekend with a bunch of those obsessive dipshits!") (true story) while we, finally free, submit our 12th post of the day or do our quotidian ritual Alta Vista Steely Dan search. Or tweak our obscure specialty webpage, ahem.

Really. They have a lot in common, the Steely Aux, and it might give us a welcome if not well-deserved breather.

Then, once it's established, maybe we can talk about Steely Summer Camp and the Steely Day Care....

Yo! Midnite Cruiser, great post !

Innocent ONE

Hi,
Two tickets section 103 Row G seats 29-30

Lets talk....

Should be Sadowsky... with a Y !
(thanks midnite...)

well...here it is, straight from the bowels of John Granatino's excellent archives!

From the DanFan Guestbook, Under the Banyan Trees: Midnite Cruiser jtalbott@gamewood.net Mon Jul 8 04:34:58 PDT 1996 writes:

And now, a report from the Raleigh, NC show: 8:15pm

1st Set:

1. Do It Again
2. Bad Sneakers---Walt Solo
3. Everyone's Gone To The Movies---Walt & Don Split Vocals
4. Peg---Wayne Solo
5. New Song---Jack Of Speed--Walt Vocal--Wayne 1st Solo--Walt 2nd Solo
6. Band Intro with FM playing in the background.
7. Any Major Dude---Wayne Solo
8. Green Earrings--Walt 1st Solo--Wayne 2nd Solo--John Organ Solo-- Cornelius Sax Solo--Wayne Solo Again
9.My Waterloo---Walt Vocals--Wayne Solo
10. Green Flower Street---Wayne Solo
11. Ruby---John Piano Solo--Cornelius Sax Solo--Ari Sax Solo-- Wayne Solo x 2

break at 9:15---return at 9:38

2nd Set

12. East St. Louis Toodle-oo---Walt melody part on guitar--Wayne Steel part on regular guitar-- John Piano Solo--Michael Trumpet Solo
13. Glamour Profession---John Piano Solo--Wayne Solo
14. New Song---Wet Side Story---Don Vocal--Walt Solo
15. New Song---Cash Only Island---Cornelius Sax Solo--Wayne Solo
16. Midnite Cruiser---Walt Vocal--Walt & Wayne do harmony Solo--Walt and Wayne trade 8's--Walt Outro Solo
17. Black Cow---John Fender Rhodes Solo--Ari Sax Solo
18. Home At Last---Walt 2 short solos between verses--Michael Trumpet Solo--Walt Solo--Walt Outro Solo
19. Kid Charlemane---Wayne Solo

End Of Second Set---10:22
Encore---10:25

20. I.G.Y. (What A Beautiful World This Would Be)---Cornelius Sax Solo
21. Rikki Don't Lose That Number---Ari Sax Solo--Walt Mini Solo
22. Cool Outro Jam as Walt & Don exit the stage---Cornelius Sax Solo

show ends at 10:40---way too early!

Gear Section:
Can't say exactly who was playing through which amp but here goes... Walt played a blue Sadowsky Strat w/3 single coils, Don
played the Rhodes most of the show and "that damn blue thing," Wayne Krantz played a natural Sadowsky Strat w/3 single coils,
Tom Barney played Natural ESP 5 string with quilted maple top, Ricky Lawson played Remo kit with Paiste cymbals,
John Beasley played a baby grand and an organ...couldn't see brand, Don't know about the horns, the two Lovely Ladies singing
back-up wore black and stole my heart!
Amps: 2 small Mesa Maverick Dual Rectifier Class A Heads, with Mesa 2-12 cabs, 1 Bogner Ecstasy Head w/Bogner 4-12 cab, 1 small rack w/Sony Wireless Receiver, Tube Works pre-amp & Mesa Chrome Professional 20/20 Power Amp, 1 large rack w/Juice Goose Power Conditioner, Korg Digital Rack Tuner, Mesa/Boogie Tri-Axis pre-amp, Lexicon Reflex, Lexicon PCM 80, Custom Audio Trem/Reverb(2), Drawer Stereo Compressor, Hush Guitar Silencer, Walt has a Custom Audio Electronics Pedal Board...couldn't see face, 2 Gallien-Krueger Bass Heads w/3 SWR Cabs, each with 4-10's and a tweeter in the center of each cab.
I'm sure I've missed some details, if you have further questions I'll do the best I can on answering them... Now that all the tech stuff is out of the way I'd just like to say this...I thought the show was very tight with only very small glitches here and there...as anyone in music knows, there's no such thing as a perfect set. I thought Don's voice was in exceptional form. I thought Walt's vocals were great too and I disagree with whoever said his vocal was weak on Midnite Cruiser, the harmonies on that song could have been worked out a little better...I thought the 3 new songs cooked, can't wait for the new album! I thought Wayne's playing was very good, more economical than Drew but very, very tasty! The band is really tight and unless you just disagree with the song selection you will not be disappointed! Someone had commented on the crowd at the two earlier shows...Raleigh seemed to be pretty full...the lawn wasn't overflowing but it was a good crowd that was very vocal and the guys seemed to really apprecitate it. I was so close I couldn't hear the P.A. that good but the stage mix sounded excellent...I'll let someone who was farther back fill in the rest of the gaps.
One last parting note: I got one of Walt's guitar picks!!! Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!! It's a Black, Jim Dunlop 1mm pick...no engraved bullshit for old Walt! And that's it for me...I loved it, I think you will too!
I can now die a happy man,
Midnite Cruiser

***and that's the way it was, July 7, 1996***

MC

Q & gang,

I believe I already posed that question Man! Of course, it wasn't chosen by St. Al & gang...thanks alot guys!

I thought it was an excellent question. I phrased it a bit differently, but, this was the general idea:
******************

Would you consider doing a musical project with other musicians, as did Carlos Santana and Ry Cooder (Buena Vista Social Club), and, if so, who would you most like to work with?
*******************

Okay, so I used different examples. Knowing what I know now, they would NEVER give this a straight answer and I would have been slightly irritated -- Alas, I really would've liked to know their thoughts on the above CD's.

Speaking of amazing guitarists, we were given perfectly good Peter Frampton tickets last summer for Pine Knob. They had great difficulty selling this show! It's one of the best I've seen in years! The DVD was taped at this venue and has just been released. Won an award for best concert DVD of the year.

Q: This is as close as you'll come to seeing a great PK show without actually being there. Watched the whole DVD at my cousins' last night and it was just as fabulous all over again. Indescribable.

Even if you are NOT a Frampton fan (I wasn't! -- note past tense), you owe it to yourself to rent, or better yet, buy this DVD!

I know, I know, I've gotten so much flak for mentioning Frampton on an SD board before.

One of several times I've been accused of being uncool (the ultimate sin!) and then the same finger pointers proclaiming that they "invented" the music I was listening to. This has happened countless times with SD as well! Too funny!

By the by, Just found out tonight that my next door neighbor regularly wears out Countdown to Esctasy on his comute to & from work. I NEVER KNEW! He & wife are huge fans. I've lived next to them for YEARS! World is small & getting smaller.

Peace!

looeez

Michelle, mail me above about the extra ticket.

Here's wishing Donald and Walter and the band a successful North American tour. Go get 'em guys! The GB loves you! Have a damn helluva party!

... Walter- Remember. Bring the Sadowski and maybe some extra strings... and chiba.

... Donald- When the ladies in the front throw their underwear at you don't go into the Ray Charles thing. 'kay?

Hutch

Hutch....got it today....one thousand thanks....it's awesome!!!

Looking forward to hearing reports from Portland & the Gorge....someone please post the set list and other must have info before you crash that night....I did it in '96 after a two hour drive home, surely someone will do it? Whether you want to see it or not, I think I'm going to dig out my report from '96 and post it just for the hell of it....report to follow if I can still find where it's posted.

MC

Hey emergency question!!! Does anyone have any extra Steely Dan Tickets to the San Diego show??? I want the other person to be some what close!!!!
Thanks to anyone who might have them!!

I.O.

The question I wish I had asked during the Hoops/St. Al opportunity:

D&W : Are there any notable "rock" guitarists like a Steve Howe or a Jeff Beck ( ie stylistically unique and virtuoso) who you ever thought of working with on the creation of a particular song?

Holy sh^&%$%^TTTT !!!!!!!! there are danfans groovin to the boys RIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!

Life is gooooodddddd!!!!

Q

I was wondering if anyone knew the configuration the Universal Amp and how the angles are to the stage from the say ORCHESTRA 6
or 8?

Thanks

Just thought I'd add to the "Almost Gothic" madness: "foursquare" is probably a passing reference to the Foursquare Gospel Church, founded by early 20th-century U.S. evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson (sp?). So there's a repeated theme in this song of intense faith: "living on gospel time," the "foursquare" line, and the "amen corner" line. This guy's a total convert to worshipping his quirky "almost-gothic" girl. Anyhoo, that's how I read it.

In a few short hours I will be "void of course" with regard to Internet access. I'll be going over to Diane/Jackofday's house to await the remaining bozos who'll be on our bus, and Diane's computer has gone rather spectacularly on the fritz! So--I'll be seeing some of you in a matter of hours; a whole bunch more of you in a couple of days; and the rest of you sometime late Sunday night. Don't burn the GB down while I'm gone, y'hear?

Am I ready? Lessee here ... [fling open window, tilt head in general direction of where the moon should be]

aaaaaAAAAARRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I think I'm ready!!!

Party on, dudes and dudettes!!!!!

/Mam'zelle Daphne G. Canard
revving up for TAKEOFF!

P.S. My Gorge reports will prolly show up in the usual places, and also on http://www.drizzle.com/~mizducky -- though prolly not immediately, if you know what I mean :-)

...Or is it the narrator who's renovating a church abandonned by the faithful (she's all buzz, then noise-free). He's working on Gospel time these days. In fact, he's in the amen corner now, as he speaks. He's got to make it work somehow. It's a labor of LUV. He refers to it, lovingly, as Little Eva of Bleeker Street when he's done. Little chapel, meet your surroundings. The rest is a poetic description of how she touches him in ambivalent ways. Nah. Let's stick with the girl who's built foursquare...

YGK- oh, so I'm guessing that no one is opening for them in Cali. and west cost right?

Ruby Baby- Wow I would be like WHOA too! But that's cool! I'm so exicited to meet you. See ya in san diego

Stevie Dan- thank you for excluding KD and myself, we obviously know what real music is!!!

Ree Ree- (Chere)- damn I don't get to meet you! OH NO! I was looking forward to that. So you are not going to the san diego show!!! :-( NO!!

Sorry this is sooo short but I have a lot of homework! Finals are soon!! Talk to you all soon! I'm almost done!!

i.o.

nawlins - You must run out and buy Fountains of Wayne's Utopia Parkway. A pop classic! The CD makes the every major critic's Top 10 list and then Atlantic drops them for mediocre sales. That's the music biz these days!

Just saw on the Smashmouth web site they will be on with Jay Leno on June 13 to play "Do It Again". Hey 2 scoops in 2 days, I'm like the Bob Woodward of the GB!
Mark in Boston

Almost Gothic - And I thought that song was, at least in part, about a man smitten with the architectural beauties of a church. In Communion with a work of art. Man, I was way off!

Boston Rag

another person that likes Fountains of Wayne!!! yes!

haven't heard their second album
but love that garage band 3 chord melodic drive

reminds me of the 70's Modern Lovers
with Jonathan Richmond
now an icon with his "SOmething About Mary" cameos
they were way before their time
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole indeed

Steely could tour with Smashmouth
and do the cover tune DIA together

I saw Pearl Jam Yield tour with Cheap Trick opening in 99
and Eddy Vedder came on and sang Surrender to close their opening set
too cool and 10 PJ encores in bad ass r&r detroit
nobody sat at all the whole show and the crowd was the intensest I have ever witnessed and I grew up in 70's rock and rollia
even people diving the stage from the balcony

I love a lot of new music. My favorite artists after Steely Dan are: Fountains of Wayne, Blinker the Star, Owsley and UnAmerican to name a few. All relatively new bands.

I'm not a music snob and I don't want to give the impression I'm bashing "The Clarks". Hell, I've never even heard any of their songs other than a soundbyte. I might even love the band after I see them. It's just puzzling to me why after 3 90's tours with no opening act, SD suddenly has "The Clarks" opening for them.

Maybe we'll be shocked and it will be the remaining Dave Clark 5 and they'll open with "Glad All Over" Yes!!!!

alright, late last week we had fun with Negative Girl
and yes I have had more than my share of one of them and already three and a half years removed (thank God)

let's dive into another Neg gal of Gothic proportions

I like Brain Dead Dawn's analogy to Billy Joel's "She's always a women - alluring and sensual but deadly and conniving at the same time.

I also like Mr Lapage's view that this is a mid sixties NYC brothel with a few modern words thrown in for these times

Here's goes a little wormian spin
wormtrails in ~

AL M O S T G O T H I C

I'm working on gospel time these days
(The summer - this could be the cool part of the
summer)

~ gospel time? I've overextended myself and only by the Grace of God and I still alive, temptations have got the best of me

The sloe-eyed creature in the reckless room she's so
severe
A wise child walks right out of here

~ not a physical defect but her character as seen from a struggling Christian who is not overwelemd with legalism, but trying to avoid or overcome his fleshly desires.

~ she is a bit dimwitted and accepts her position
a runaway making it on the streets the only way she can?
certainly a 60's hooker would be considered tame by today's standards but is an outrage in general americana, but NYC is a different place

I'm so excited I can barely cope
I'm sizzling like an isotope
I'm on fire so cut me some slack

CHORUS:
First she's way gone then she comes back
She's all business then she's ready to play
She's almost gothic in a natural way

~ his passions burn, she seems distant then warms up to him during the sexual exchange. Is she strung out on drugs or alcohol then the drug wears off?

~ the almost gothic is a nice touch - contrast to today's goths
she's the "vampire" of her times. Yet gothic also in terms of overdone like gothic architexture. She is overwelming to the indulging song's protagonist and she probably has to work as a prostitute although she may be cultured and have a more golden childhood. She's been in a bad situation and can't go home (outcast?) and yet doesn't quite fit on the streets

This house of desire is built foursquare
(The city - the cleanest kitten in the city)

~ yes NYC, again cleanest kitten - she is more middle class in upbringing yet is forced to live the life of prostitution

When she speaks it's like the slickest song I ever
heard
I'm hanging on her every word
As if I'm not already blazed enough
She hits me with the cryptic stuff
That's her style - to jerk me around

~ just when I am enthralled by her sophistication
she resorts to her present street tales (cryptic stuff)
and throws me back a little
she is playful in that way
and keeps him at bay and thus tries to distance herself emotionally

CHORUS:
First she's all feel then she cools down
She's pure science with a splash of black cat
She's almost gothic and I like it like that

~ she arouses then retracts
she is street smart only in the sense that it is for her survival on the streets

This dark place so thrilling and new
It's kind of like the opposite of an aerial view
Unless I'm totally wrong
I hear her rap and brother it's strong

~ looking up from the depths of her dungeon liar
he is repulsed an mystified at the lowly dark state of her existence

I'm pretty sure that what she's telling me is mostly lies
But I just stand there hypnotized

I'll just have to make it work somehow
I'm in the amen corner now
It's called love - I spell L -U- V

~ let me justify it, I am in love with her
I'm going to one day rescue her and God approves (the amen corner) or an alternative interpretation is that she is starting to approve of me and allow me to help her get off the street

CHORUS:
First she's all buzz then she's noise-free
She's bubbling over then there's nothing to say
She's almost gothic in a natural way

~ chatter, small talk and excitability yield to confort and lack of things to talk about. little common ground, but he is content to be there with her

She's old school then she's like young
Little Eva meets the Bleecker Street brat
She's almost gothic but it's better than that

~ humm, her musical tastes
she likes a bit of both old school and new
and is the Bleeker Street brat none other than Bob Dylan???

in summary a wayward mid sixties gal who turns to prostitution to stay alive on the streets. The young Chirstian man is smitten with her and finds her displaced innocence and street smarts dualy alluring in a paradoxial way. He knows he shouldn't indulge but is smitten just the same and attempts to justify it and rationalize that he will be the one to take her off the street

interesting song

comments? input? other slats of gothic i city?

The Cure, XTC, Stone Temple Pilots, the Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters and others I forget. All those "newer acts" have touched greatness and could do it again. Fact is, the desert grows. Or maybe it's just my hair line receding ever so slightly.

Worm - Forgot the lingo in Court, tommy?

ruby baby-dress warmly. June is the cloudiest month of the year here, though Coors Amp is inland and warmer. I can't wait to meet you, but your M.O. will be gazing at you. I just finished doing the typical woman thing of glaring into the bathroom mirror clutching a can of hairspray, and I sure couldn't find much to look at! My beau might come after all if Tom can't make it, but I'm not sure. The beau and I have been taking it VERY slow and I don't know if I'm ready to take him in public yet :)

chere-I have an old disc rupture, and I say definitely listen to cara mia! It's taken 9 years to get it to the point where I can be as athletic as I am, so get some good care. Avoid chiropractors-I've tried them and they made everything worse. NSAID's are non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (Motrin, Relafen-my NSAID of choice). They're the reason I can be a middle-aged triathlete! A good orthopod is your best friend.

We have an independent radio station here and I've heard some great new bands, but were it not for this station you'd never know they existed. And most of the new acts unfortunately don't stir up much interest with the general public, even though they might be very good. I hate to say the average radio listener is a moron who just wants to hear the same tripe over and over, but....

Steely Dan in 10 days!!!!!!!

Aja

Sociable Hermit: It's nice to see another fan of the Smith's on the board. I think that after Steely Dan, they have to be one of my favorite bands of all time. Their one of a handful of bands that make you want to read their lyrics in order to dissect them. Although Morrissey can be a little repetitive and gloomy, I think that is part of his charm. I love his lyrics.

I also like other early 80's British bands like Echo and the Bunnymen and The Cure. I actually saw Echo and the Bunnymen 3 years ago in East Hampton and they sounded great. Even their new stuff was pretty good. I was nicely surprised.

Ruby - thanks, I may still try to wing Diego but it doesn't look good. it is always great to visit family

Gina - welcome and thanks for your "it ain't heavy when it's heavy" comments, I dig you too and am a Diana Krall fan
good torch music for evenings by the fire

Aja and Chere - best of luck on the recover, ouch
my prayers go out to you there

David in the Fla Room - can we get an invite to that wedding?

Craig and Stevie and Cara Mia - yes the recording industry sucks
yes cd's are way overpriced, yes new artists are never able to spread their wings or are formalic in nature, and yes the general public is fed very mundane music which is expendable and requires little thought on their part

The Dan just starting out wouldn't cut to the top in todays field certainly

but like St Al says - there is good new music out there
just gotta search a lot harder. I go by reviews and go to alot of shows to find up and coming talent - it's a hard sift but there are some rewards, meanwhile I enjoy getting alot of reissues of old stuff on disc and expanding my blues and jazz catalogs

Clas - funny song there! bravo

Ruby - I had a friend with Lupus and she nearly died in childbirth, hope it is not indangering you

Black Crowes with Page doing three guitar onslaught of 70's Zeppelin fits nice with Kenny Wayne Sheppard

How about the Dan booked with Fiona Apple or Ben Fold's Five to reach the younger audience.

I'd prefer Liz Phair for totally selfish reasons who opened for Alanis but then I have a total and at times unhealthy wormy affection for my WhiteCHocolateSpaceGirl Tommy Feelgood indeed

cheer e ohh

Clas....the cd is in the mail.

David in the Fla Room....the check is in the mail.

YGK....the check is in the mail.

JWMalibu....where are you my friend? kinda worried about you!

> Hey The Monkees once opened for Jimi.
Nope, it's worse than that. Hendrix opened for them.

Clas: I'm not on my own computer, so I'll look at the Greenhouse Effects later. Thanks in advance!

oh - the exact way I want that sticker to appear:

every breath you take -
STEELY DAN
in the year of the cat

I want STEELY DAN to stand out!

Tom: I wrote you before I read your post. We'll take the opportunity to gather in Jesus' Name and pray even if you're not there. We're family, not yet met, not yet home; but family just the same.

chere: as one who lives with pain all the time, I can say you gotta "lean into it." Don't panic, don't let it rule you, but you can't ignore it. We don't seem to pray to the same Spirit, but I'll pray for you anyway. Mine is good, too. I'm thinking this back thing will pass and fade away...

rb

The State of Popular Music is rather atrocious. I do think we will hear (briefly) a larger percentage of one hit wonders than ever before, just like YGK and steveidan (hi, you two) say...it is the nature of the beast and beast-eaters.
Let's come back here and discuss this in 20 years, OK? It will take pages and pages in the archives to list the short-lived "hits" titles.

Joni Mitchell is one of the brave artists constantly speaking out in print and Loudly in her latest concert appearances against the music industry practices just as YGK describes.
Malcolm dear, you have inspired me to send my check early for the 3 copies I want of your lovely new package. You all should check him out at malcolmhunter.com.

Wormie~~bummer...much luck with whatever is best for the tykes

Chere~~a disc is the supporting (compare it to a bushing in a joint system of a car maybe?) fluid-filled "cushion" in between the vertebral bodies of the spine. Though tough, they can over time become weak, bulge out and press upon the root nerve or others in the spine, causing pain, paralysis, weakening of muscle groups, etc. Sometime the discs rupture, the fluid is lost and worse things can happen, or sometimes relief occurs as the nerve is no longer compressed. As a registered nurse (not an orthopedic one, for sure, so others can correct me if I am in error), I go with proven methods of treatment via valid studies and follow-up of thousands of patients and would recommend your following an MD's prescription for your diagnosed problem he/she finds. Chiropractors tend to not conduct valid studies of their methods, though their continued existence and happy customers lend a bit of validity to their efficacy in certain situations.
I'll shut up now, before I get feathered by some lurking interest that is heating up the tar. Good luck with it all, Chere.

ruby baby~~very much looking forward to meeting you. I wish I had some heat resistance myself these days with my hot flashes due to aging and hormonal shifts and wrinkles and wisdom and...
PENKO POWER!

cara mia

This pairing has got me stumped. I seriously doubt that B & F
know about this or really care about it. There's been a trend this summer to pair up acts to sell those last few thousand tickets.

Black Crowes & Jimmy Page added Kenny Wayne Shephard as their opening act. The Who just added a great new band called "UnAmerican" to their show. In fact, the Tweeter Center is now offering a combo deal for lawn seats to both of those shows at a reduced rate to sell the remaining tickets.

The Clarks web site says 6:00pm. The Steely Dan tickets have a time of 8:00pm for the start of show. Who will even be near the Tweeter Center at 6:00pm???

If the idea was to sell out the month of July, wouldn't it make more sense to have a band like Groove Collective or hell even Spyro Gyra. They're good for a few thousand seats.

The Clarks new album comes out on June 20. Unless there's a super smash hit on the CD, who is going to motivated to jump off the fence and get tickets? Better yet, who will even know about it this late in the game?

Hey The Monkees once opened for Jimi.

Mark in Boston

StevieDan, I'm with you my man. My post was not intended as a salute to the current music biz stau quo, but merely a comment on my view of the current state of affairs.
I don't listen to alot of new muic nowadays. I simply don't have the time to investigate new artists as YGK so eloquently states in his previous post.
With the recent release of 2vN, I learned this much about the current state of Steely Dan: Much to our chagrin, Steely Dan is now viewed by many as a nostalgia act and grouped in with this summer's cue of 80's rockers, i.e. Styx, REO, Chicago. I have had countless people express this sentiment when I've breached the subject of Steely an,2vN and this summer's tour.
Please keep in mind that preception is reality and this unfortunately is pretty much the preception by the majority of music listeners today. Hopefully, this attitude will change. Katy Lied was not entirely mainstream when it was released, but paved the way for the widely accepted AJA.
St Al's point about new music is well taken and I have found a few gems over the last several years. To name a few:

Soundgarden
Creed
Rusted Root
Rage Against the Machine
Dream Theater
Early-Pearl Jam

There's still hope,
Craig

Chere: The Smiths song you're talking about is, "How Soon Is Now", off of the album, "Meat Is Murder". My favorite album of theirs is, "Louder Than Bombs", the orange-covered double album. (Another group that had cool album covers). There are some great songs ~ excellent grooves and great guitar work throughout by Johnny Marr. Morrisey's lyrics, though, tend to be rather heavy handed over extended listening. But what do you expect from a professed vegetarian and celibate who doesn't drink or take drugs? I'd be mopey and gloomy, too. I mean, what would you have to look forward to?

On another note; I'm reading a very cool book that came out, I believe, sometime last year, called, "Flowers In The Dustbin". (The line is from the Sex Pistols song, "God Save The Queen"). It chronicals the history of Rock and Roll from it's beginnings in 1947, up to 1977 when Elvis died. The author, a former writer for Rolling Stone, among others, lists all the important events that shaped the music we know as Rock and Roll. The only two disappointments are that he seems to despise the Grateful Dead, and there is no mention whatsoever of Steely Dan. Other than that, it's a pretty informative and interesting look at the past.

Later,

Herm

justice rarely lives in the legal system

yesterday's custody trial involved a judge wanting me to settle for next to nothing so she wouldn't have to settle the case, case was continued (4th time) till October till my lawyer harped on Patrick's need for this resolved for his school issues and the judge emergency cancel two afternoons to hear the case in two weeks 6/12 and 6/14.

unfortunately that is right after San Diego and with the incredible expenses and more legal proceedings and the intensity I may unfortunately have to bag my San Diego trip ;-[

big ouch but my priorities have to go with my son

so I may try to make an Atlanta or Florida show
if anyone has any leads on good tickets that would probably sit better

damn, was really looking forward to meeting all of you and getting away

thanks Soldier, Blazer Rouge, Aja, Stevie and others for your sent i mints (mints are refreshing and and a pleasure to receive).

I'll respond to guestbook pleasantries in another post

loved the "lee gall sit you way shun" quote Stevie
as one does "sit" & "shun" and it certainly is "gall" ling
you got the worm lingo and double speak down cold there!

cheers and my mood is positive and my son Patrick's "sit you a shun" is firmly in God's faithful and loving hands

cheers

wormboy thomansky

Damn.

Howard - good. I was afraid you had got something at the back of your foot.

... do you remember Farbror Melker, Gina?

RUBYBaby - "Every Breath You Take It's Steely Dan In The Year Of The Cat" Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll send it to you. Use water on the glue-side to avoid bub bub bub bub bub bub bubbles.

Hutch - good. I was afraid you had got something at the back of your foot.

YGK - "David: the wedding thing was a joke? Jeez, I had a bunch of progressive Russian musicians who could fill (mostly) the bill, and do it for $175, as long as we buy their vodka...
let me know."

Ha! Holy Moses, I had a bunch of Manhattan jazz musicians who could fill the bill for a couple of new livers as long as we buy their heroin.

Stockholm audi and out,

Clas Bildt

YGK - The check's in the mail, don't worry. You're doing a fine job with your own PR. All the right moves in that department. Your song files actually work and your output is promising from what I've heard. Whatchamacallit, "techno-punk"? If you're an artist and you have something to say, you're welcomed to let us know, in my book.

Chere - I see there's nothing wrong with those typing fingers. Keep the ballahbugs at bay, where they belong. What is it with the regulars here? All are afflicted in some way. Penko Power?

Boston Rag - Scared me shitless foe a while there. "The Clarks", that sounded like a country-inspired family affair but apparently they are appreciated for their live gigs in the North East and have their own website with guestbook and all. They start at six and their special guests are Steely Dan. Lenghty soundcheck or a chance to discover a new voice? I dunno.

slash chords?

The Guestbook Look

The surf was easy on the day I came to race
in this quiet corner in the space
I remember, a bunch of yankees all in blue
I found them just by chance with Yahoo

Now the regulars are gone except for two
the big Saint Al's been hard to reach
wake up darling, let's log off, there's a better place to be;
the web-page of the great 10cc

I know what happens
I read the book
I believe I got off the Guestbook hook

(I believe I just got the goodbye look)

Fmaj9 / B7+5 / Bbmaj7 6 / A7 / Dm9 / Dm7/G / etc etc

Getting ready in Oregon:
http://www.oregonlive.com/music/index.ssf?/music/00/05/al_61mlede26.frame

Clas: Woah, calm down there!

I think you misunderstand. My preferred name for the D/G type chords has ALWAYS been "slash chords". If you read my previous posts on this subject, I think you'll see that.

A few weeks back, someone else (sorry, forget who) started talking about "Donald Fagen's use of polychords". To clear up what he meant, I put in a post asking if his use of "polychord" was the same as my "slash chord".

To cut a long story short, the answer was yes, they are the same.
He said (paraphrasing) that in *theory*, the polychord means just what you said - a mix of two triads, so D/G would have notes D F# A G B D. This has always been my understanding of the word polychord. This D/G would be a little dense sounding ...!

So, in practice, he said his "polychord" meant use just the bass note of the second traid, so D/G is (as you and I know it) D F# A with a G in the bass. In other words "D slash G".

In my last post, I used both terms (slash and polychord) just in case there are others who prefer the term "polychord" and wouldn't understand "slash chord". I have always preferred "slash" because polychord still implies, for me at least, all notes from both triads.

Howard

Haig - I have guitar tablature for many Dan songs, including two from the new album, at:

http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~haw/music/tabfiles.html

I hope to add Jack of Speed before long.

Howard

steviedan and others: the essence of what you're saying I believe is true. I have 'gotten into trouble' for attempting to say the same thing in earlier posts, but, if you look at the music being released and pushed down our throats by the majors and many indies with major distribution, you will, more often than not (and there are exceptions) - assuming you have something that resembles an ear - be greatly disturbed.

I would bet that that if you compare a Top 20 from today, and a Top 20 from 20 years ago, you will find an ENORMOUS wealth of Real talent in the latter.

But that also brings me to another point. With the proliferation of all of the 'musicians' out there now, who can make their music so easily and back it up with their unique sophomoric attitudes, plus the ability to send music over the net, the plunging of recording costs, etc., there exists a HUGE 'talent pool' never before seen. The consolidation of the major labels and their micro marketing of the artists they do keep on their labels creates an atmosphere enormously frustrating to many talented independent musicians and indy bands.

The Result: The Independent Band/Musician is forced to be nearly a full self-production; literally forced to wear all the hats, when it comes to booking, recording, writing, performing, marketing, marketing, marketing, etc.....

So now we have an even greater ratio of artists:success stories. Frequently "New" artists at majors are given, rather, advanced close to $1 million/deal - money they need to pay back - and soon. They need to have a hit NOW or they'll be droppped. The labels will assume the loss (if any) but then drop the artist. Under that scenario, artist/career development becomes nil, and there is the incentive for aritsts is to have a 'hit now' - there is no 'future' development when working with 1 hit wonders. Both the artist and the label have the attitude of take the money and run....

Independent musicians are forced to write, record, perform, market, market, market, call radio, etc.....without the benefit of $, any real support from the label model......without the benefit of, as WB put it some time ago, "good old fashioned, paid by the label, marketing and promotion".

The Point: if you want to explore and find NEW music, YOU, avid listener, loyal fan, sophisticated consumer, YOU must to the research, YOU must help the band/artist continue to grow, YOU must vote for them with your $, hearts, minds, legs and voices. I realize I may sound self-serving, but there is a larger issue here: the "Complaining Listener" is a business model that the majors love - when faced with the mountain of choices available on mp3 and other less screened sites, the CL will default back to something they know and trust - a major label, video, concert, etc. - the work to be done to find someone new, unique and worthwhile may be too great.....unless you persevere.

[Assuming you have bought the entire Steely Dan Catalog, with all the jazz references researched and pursued], I encourage everyone to check out independent music sites, listen to mp3s, be your own A&R person, whatever you can, but help independent musicians be independent by your support and by offering your time where needed. Ask them what you can do. They'll appreciate it.....support talented independent artists and their new music with your voice, feet, hands and dollars.....

I seriously don't think that the Dan - if released and 'broken' today - would be able to make it - too sophisticated for todays Accounting/A&R ears, and they don't write to please the pop crossection. While the Boys are supremely talented and had the benefit of some fine A&R folks and associates over the years, I think mainly that "those days are gone forever.....". I hope I'm wrong.

I think we are witnessing the latest trend in concerts - pairing the Boys with a younger crowd - I think it's a logical step - the opening band gets an audience with ears and the Boys get the overflow of younger ears.....

eeeenuf.

ygk

St.Al: I was sounding a little ballahesque and alot like my parents, but my arguement actually extends into my generation as well. I believe that generally the musical dumbing of the general public at large has been going on, well since rock n roll began (hold the posts y'all, that's just a reference point). I don't hate all new music. You know that from my prior posts. There'll be even greater music long after we're all dirt, it's just that at this juncture in our culture, there are no Van Cliburns on Billboard like there were in the 60s. There are no Ellingtons. No Armstrongs. And alas, not even any Steely Dans. There is still good new music, just not as much and generally not as skilled. Why isn't it more so ? I still think it's the E word. But you're right, I was sweeping broadly with the brush of cynicism. Too harsh.

Chere: I'm here and hoping you will be better soon. Take care of that whack back yo.

Hello all! I am totally numb from meds, so I am able to write a bit to my beloveds on this here ol GB.

YoMAMA?: Who are you? What are You? What actually WAS your post about? I AM a JUJU Kin if that gives you any idea.

IO: The Smiths are cool. I like How Long is Tonight? I think that's the name of the song. The Smiths are pretty cool music, they kinda fall into the CURE catagory, to me anyway. So glad you had a BLAST in el ciudad de Mexico. You are truly a little ray of sunshine on this board sister! And I always got yo back girl. I think maybe you misunderstood, I am only going to the West Palm Beach show. I got my tix through an absolute ANGEL from this GB and one extra from the esteemed King "Q" for my nephew to really GET into the DAN! He is a lil' blessing in my life. LOVES me to death! He is my beau's nephew really, and 19 years old, but was hooked line and sinker after spending a few dinners at my crib listening to OF COURSE the DAN! I do hope though, that someday I get to meet you. I really mean that. Someday baby. Besos, mami, ReeRee (nickname for me for all my favourite folks in da world.)

Aja: Thanks so much for the advice, they have me taking really strong painkillers and a huge horsedose of Valium (muscle relaxer?) that totally wreck my stomach. I take some pretty strong shit for my weekly arterial migraines, but this stuff is hardcore. I go to the orthopedic on Monday 8:45 am 2nd patient in the day so they can immediatly put me in a long lying down position so I will not have to sit, cause I CAN't. I am HATING this shit. I am a very hyper and energetic in a good way sista and frightened of this whole back situation. Unless I am completey anesthetized I cannot function even to get to the bathroom. I LOVE to dance and will not miss the DAN. No WAY Jose. Right now? My legs, gluteous maximus, and back are in excrutiating pain till the meds wear off, then it gets unbearable. I am a real naturally based EVERYTHING kinda chick, I detox my blood and body after every migraine episode to purge my bod from that shit. Shaklee vitamins and protein shakes are the cure all IMHO. I started strength training a few weeks ago and that may have been what injured me. I dunno, I am at a total loss on this one. Been taking alot of JUJU baths and having my madrina (godmother in Santeria/Candomble') pray and annoint me with oils. The African spirits are WAY on my side, and they walk WITH me always. Because of this, I KNOW they will help me along in taking care of this "bump in my road" and guide me to the place I was at before this crap. What are NSAID's? One more thing to you, THANK you for bringing IO to us all.!!!!! A ray of pure sunshine and sunflower breath all at de same time she is. Mad props to you fer dat!

cara mia: Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. I AM a natural chick all de way. Hate pills and shit. I do partake in the rastacomb at times. I sure have been more so now since this accident than ever before. Thanks for caring and stuff. Really appreciate it girl! What are your thoughts on a chiropractor? I have never been to one, but I have heard they are good for back situations. Also, what is a disc problem? Please splain.

Gina: If you carefully read my posting from 5/29, you'll discover I am 3rd degree priestess in the Santeria/Candomble" religion. (Santeria is the Hispanic version and Candomble is the Brazilian version, my madrina (godmother) is from Brazil so I am initiated into the religion by way of Brazillian ceremony and study , but I study weekly with an elder-very old elder who is Cuban) right now in this stage of my priestesshood I am studying the herb and healing plants. The religion came with the slaves from west Africa and is widely practiced by about 65,000 folks in America alone. It is strong and powerful energy and totally earthbased. I guess to me what I felt you were describing in your posting , that you meditate. I do it three times a day. Have to, it's part of my daily devotions. I feel though, to me, meditation is "listening". Being very still and quiet and fasting (lots of that) in a pure state and closing my eyes and "listening". Works miracles for me anyway. Thanks for acknowledging my postings, you are soo soo welcome in your posting to holler at me and your writing style is great. Mass great karma on the GB. Stay and you will always be pleasantly surprised or lifted up or inspired etc.

georgio: "Are you like, black or something? What's up with the constant use of racial colloquialism?" Firstly check my 5/29 postings and even some archive postings if your'e THAT interested. No, I am not like black. But I AM something! Something else. I am a white girl on first sight, but my heart is of all colours. The majority of practitioneers in my religion are black or caramel coloured and a beautiful people, as is the religion. Would it matter if I was black or a different colour? Does my style of writing with many styles, in many postings, (I am a wealth of knowledge in many things)me and my NOT so constant (IMHO) useage of racial colloquialism really matter? I am a friendly, lively, lovely, positive person. A kindred soul and carry a happy heart and spread my karma and energy abroad and at home for all. Is my EXOTIC expression not to your liking? I am ME... Chere, I come here with my real home e mail address and my real name. I come to talk, to share, to agree, and disagree. To rejoice the many blessings of all things Steely Dannish, share and learn from the myriad of intellectual folks here. There are so many intellectual and lovely people here. Is it a crime? I am a white chick with dark auburn hair, green eyes, a pretty body and face, a full happy spiritually rich heart and soul. I consider and perhaps others as well myself a very sensitive and very kind person. I must say I was taken aback from your posting. A bit offended perhaps as well, but maybe I just misunderstood. Shit does happen , but then so does magic! If you like, you may e mail me at my home e mail address, or here publicly on the blessed GB. I definantly would greatly appreciate a response after all this. I am in bad pain but felt it necessary to respond to your curious question. I also kinda feel because if this I am deserving of a response. I hardly ever use the word deserving, but I guess I am a bit offended. Go back and read your question at the begining of my post to you here in this posting, I quoted your words. Pretend someone asked the same questions to you and how it sounds and makes YOU feel Georgio? I felt some dark karma attached to your inquiry. Not very nice.maybe though I AM misunderstanding YOU. Let's clear this little matter up brother.

Steviedan: I sure am missin you bro. I plan to take this resting time I am forced to surrender to lying in the bed to write to you old skool style on paper with a pen to the address on the envelope you sent me. How you doin bro? Missed you! Dat be most damn tru! peaceout-Ree

Q: Are you aware that the WPB show the opener is MACY fucking GRAY? Her song all over the VH1 IMHO sucks alot but I have the disc the rest is awesome!!! AND she is a groovy chick. Very Jamaraquai ish and with that scratchy lil voice reminiscent of the Queen.... Miss Billie Holiday. I feel our WPB show is a beautiful display of a miracle. What a show it will be. Thank you again. Can I write to you at the address on the letter you sent to me? Let me know. I don't own a Steely Dan T shirt but we must figure a way to find eachother, Brother King man "Q". I am still so jazzed from our phone conversation. THanks for taking that bit of time and extra step in your oh so busy schedule to give me some of your space chile' It was most appreciated as was the tic for my nephew. Can't wait for this show. It is truly one of my lifelong dreams come true. Blessings all over the place. Can't wait to meet you and the wife. Triple JOY this WPB gig is for Chere.

To All: I am "down" right now with this incident but anyone is welcome to e mail me propa like at my home e mail omzen@bellsouth.net It would be like get well cards to me. So give me a holler. Also, I ran across a friend who has a sizable vinyl collection of great old music we ALL love. The albums are mine for the picking and free, so anyone out there jonzing for an old record for the sake of having to display and play and whatever, they are in mint condition and there are about 500 to choose from. Any one interested is encouraged to let me know ASAP if you have a request. After all they ARE free. You can e mail me propa at my e mail listed above or post to me here.

My love blessings and instant karma just got you all. Feels like heaven is imagined to be. How about you? Talk to me folks.

A very injured and medicated JUJU chile'-chere

At least I can still smile and feel you all. Much love and respect, REE

Hello all! I am totally numb from meds, so I am able to write a bit to my beloveds on this here ol GB.

YoMAMA?: Who are you? What are You? What actually WAS your post about? I AM a JUJU Kin if that gives you any idea.

IO: The Smiths are cool. I like How Long is Tonight? I think that's the name of the song. The Smiths are pretty cool music, they kinda fall into the CURE catagory, to me anyway. So glad you had a BLAST in el ciudad de Mexico. You are truly a little ray of sunshine on this board sister! And I always got yo back girl. I think maybe you misunderstood, I am only going to the West Palm Beach show. I got my tix through an absolute ANGEL from this GB and one extra from the esteemed King "Q" for my nephew to really GET into the DAN! He is a lil' blessing in my life. LOVES me to death! He is my beau's nephew really, and 19 years old, but was hooked line and sinker after spending a few dinners at my crib listening to OF COURSE the DAN! I do hope though, that someday I get to meet you. I really mean that. Someday baby. Besos, mami, ReeRee (nickname for me for all my favourite folks in da world.)

Aja: Thanks so much for the advice, they have me taking really strong painkillers and a huge horsedose of Valium (muscle relaxer?) that totally wreck my stomach. I take some pretty strong shit for my weekly arterial migraines, but this stuff is hardcore. I go to the orthopedic on Monday 8:45 am 2nd patient in the day so they can immediatly put me in a long lying down position so I will not have to sit, cause I CAN't. I am HATING this shit. I am a very hyper and energetic in a good way sista and frightened of this whole back situation. Unless I am completey anesthetized I cannot function even to get to the bathroom. I LOVE to dance and will not miss the DAN. No WAY Jose. Right now? My legs, gluteous maximus, and back are in excrutiating pain till the meds wear off, then it gets unbearable. I am a real naturally based EVERYTHING kinda chick, I detox my blood and body after every migraine episode to purge my bod from that shit. Shaklee vitamins and protein shakes are the cure all IMHO. I started strength training a few weeks ago and that may have been what injured me. I dunno, I am at a total loss on this one. Been taking alot of JUJU baths and having my madrina (godmother in Santeria/Candomble') pray and annoint me with oils. The African spirits are WAY on my side, and they walk WITH me always. Because of this, I KNOW they will help me along in taking care of this "bump in my road" and guide me to the place I was at before this crap. What are NSAID's? One more thing to you, THANK you for bringing IO to us all.!!!!! A ray of pure sunshine and sunflower breath all at de same time she is. Mad props to you fer dat!

cara mia: Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. I AM a natural chick all de way. Hate pills and shit. I do partake in the rastacomb at times. I sure have been more so now since this accident than ever before. Thanks for caring and stuff. Really appreciate it girl! What are your thoughts on a chiropractor? I have never been to one, but I have heard they are good for back situations. Also, what is a disc problem? Please splain.

Gina: If you carefully read my posting from 5/29, you'll discover I am 3rd degree priestess in the Santeria/Candomble" religion. (Santeria is the Hispanic version and Candomble is the Brazilian version, my madrina (godmother) is from Brazil so I am initiated into the religion by way of Brazillian ceremony and study , but I study weekly with an elder-very old elder who is Cuban) right now in this stage of my priestesshood I am studying the herb and healing plants. The religion came with the slaves from west Africa and is widely practiced by about 65,000 folks in America alone. It is strong and powerful energy and totally earthbased. I guess to me what I felt you were describing in your posting , that you meditate. I do it three times a day. Have to, it's part of my daily devotions. I feel though, to me, meditation is "listening". Being very still and quiet and fasting (lots of that) in a pure state and closing my eyes and "listening". Works miracles for me anyway. Thanks for acknowledging my postings, you are soo soo welcome in your posting to holler at me and your writing style is great. Mass great karma on the GB. Stay and you will always be pleasantly surprised or lifted up or inspired etc.

georgio: "Are you like, black or something? What's up with the constant use of racial colloquialism?" Firstly check my 5/29 postings and even some archive postings if your'e THAT interested. No, I am not like black. But I AM something! Something else. I am a white girl on first sight, but my heart is of all colours. The majority of practitioneers in my religion are black or caramel coloured and a beautiful people, as is the religion. Would it matter if I was black or a different colour? Does my style of writing with many styles, in many postings, (I am a wealth of knowledge in many things)me and my NOT so constant (IMHO) useage of racial colloquialism really matter? I am a friendly, lively, lovely, positive person. A kindred soul and carry a happy heart and spread my karma and energy abroad and at home for all. Is my EXOTIC expression not to your liking? I am ME... Chere, I come here with my real home e mail address and my real name. I come to talk, to share, to agree, and disagree. To rejoice the many blessings of all things Steely Dannish, share and learn from the myriad of intellectual folks here. There are so many intellectual and lovely people here. Is it a crime? I am a white chick with dark auburn hair, green eyes, a pretty body and face, a full happy spiritually rich heart and soul. I consider and perhaps others as well myself a very sensitive and very kind person. I must say I was taken aback from your posting. A bit offended perhaps as well, but maybe I just misunderstood. Shit does happen , but then so does magic! If you like, you may e mail me at my home e mail address, or here publicly on the blessed GB. I definantly would greatly appreciate a response after all this. I am in bad pain but felt it necessary to respond to your curious question. I also kinda feel because if this I am deserving of a response. I hardly ever use the word deserving, but I guess I am a bit offended. Go back and read your question at the begining of my post to you here in this posting, I quoted your words. Pretend someone asked the same questions to you and how it sounds and makes YOU feel Georgio? I felt some dark karma attached to your inquiry. Not very nice.maybe though I AM misunderstanding YOU. Let's clear this little matter up brother.

Steviedan: I sure am missin you bro. I plan to take this resting time I am forced to surrender to lying in the bed to write to you old skool style on paper with a pen to the address on the envelope you sent me. How you doin bro? Missed you! Dat be most damn tru! peaceout-Ree

Q: Are you aware that the WPB show the opener is MACY fucking GRAY? Her song all over the VH1 IMHO sucks alot but I have the disc the rest is awesome!!! AND she is a groovy chick. Very Jamaraquai ish and with that scratchy lil voice reminiscent of the Queen.... Miss Billie Holiday. I feel our WPB show is a beautiful display of a miracle. What a show it will be. Thank you again. Can I write to you at the address on the letter you sent to me? Let me know. I don't own a Steely Dan T shirt but we must figure a way to find eachother, Brother King man "Q". I am still so jazzed from our phone conversation. THanks for taking that bit of time and extra step in your oh so busy schedule to give me some of your space chile' It was most appreciated as was the tic for my nephew. Can't wait for this show. It is truly one of my lifelong dreams come true. Blessings all over the place. Can't wait to meet you and the wife. Triple JOY this WPB gig is for Chere.

To All: I am "down" right now with this incident but anyone is welcome to e mail me propa like at my home e mail omzen@bellsouth.net It would be like get well cards to me. So give me a holler. Also, I ran across a friend who has a sizable vinyl collection of great old music we ALL love. The albums are mine for the picking and free, so anyone out there jonzing for an old record for the sake of having to display and play and whatever, they are in mint condition and there are about 500 to choose from. Any one interested is encouraged to let me know ASAP if you have a request. After all they ARE free. You can e mail me propa at my e mail listed above or post to me here.

My love blessings and instant karma just got you all. Feels like heaven is imagined to be. How about you? Talk to me folks.

A very injured and medicated JUJU chile'-chere

At least I can still smile and feel you all. Much love and respect, REE

Stevie -- A little extreme wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you say the reality falls somewhere in the middle of your rather sweeping statement(s)?

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- there is a ton of great new music out there. The fact is there have always been huge market for lightweight pop rock. Think of how popular Pat Boone was right smack in the middle of the birth of Rock and Roll. Go back through the billboard charts and you'll see that when Jimi Hendrix was pushing the top of the charts, so too was the Ballad of The Green Berets... I'm thinking Donna Summer was pretty popular right around the time Gaucho was in rotation... Steely Dan was never a very popular band during my early teenage years. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Aerosmith reigned supreme.

THough I see the points you're actually making, my spin is it's the same old story -- old people not understanding young people. As we get older we all like to think we know better...

StAl

I must, really. Mr LaPage, with TOTAL respect to you and your intellegent GB musings, I must say that from my vantage point (indy CD store as I've blathered about before) America's youth, excepting the I.O.s and KDs, are asshole deep in Kid Rock, Eminem, and shallow shallow shallow ever deeper into shallowness. The artistic climate in terms of the biggest sellers is not where SD will ever be. As a niche, they can tour, record, whatever. Acts that sell MUCH less still have major label deals. I can't see the hundreds of Eminem or Pearl Jam fans that have drivin our sales over the last two weeks into record numbers EVER being converted to Dan or anything else worth a crusty turd. One word: Education. They ain't gettin' it and they ain't gonna GET IT. They don't respect OR understand excellence because they don't have any idea what it's supposed to be. They have a generation of parents chasing ever larger motor vehicles to fulfill fantasies of childhood they haven't finished with yet. It's really disturbing. The kids need DEPTH. They have no souls. No love. Abercrombie is not love. It's an unpaid human billboard. Steely Dan is not a trademark or image so what's it's worth to them. Don't get me wrong. There are PLENTY of great young people, just not nearly enough. I'm not sure they're really getting any SMARTER or just having more crap thrown at them. Definitely NOT enough Arts education. I actually walked up on a conversation of several teens/20somethings where they were trying to flesh out whether some band was COOL or not. "Who cares if they are COOL", I asked. "Are they any GOOD ?". They had to pause for the cause as reasonably smart individuals, they realized just how SHALLOW they sounded.

FYI - this in from WBWC in Cleveland:
===============

Greetings to the Fans and the Band known as Steely Dan!
I am emailing to the great SD site to make sure you all know about our
18 hour ("Hey, Nineteen" might not be bad either)
radio marathon at WBWC 88.3FM in Cleveland Ohio. Thursday, June 8th,
we'll feature the entire catalogue of SD, the solo work, The NY Soul
Revue, and anything else we can dig up! We'll probably play some of the
pre-Dan material as well.
For more info check out :

http://runninglate.freeservers.com/marathons/sd

hi all, back from an unforeseen trip extension. Yikes, gotta catch up AGAIN.

Credit Where Credit is Due Dept: I must give credit for the invocation of Jamaican slangology to Q. Mine was a mere bastard variant, gratefulp , but I'm right there with you guys on this international issue, mon. Uh oh, I feel the Geo-Dialectacle Patrol closing in.

BTW, gpurple, man you're not way off on Coltrane. You're way ON. That was one concise little paragraph/chronology. At this point, I'm so used to all periods of Trane that, like Ornette, none of it sounds too far out at all. It's just the soul of a man.

D. Lee (Roth, no, Stan): I LOVE Springtime. For me it's a tune of magnificent sentimental imagery. Futuristic nostalgia. A cool stand-alone concept that could have been done on any Dan effort, although integral to Kamakiriad's storyboard. Is that my father, mowin' the lawn ? No, that was ME being told by my father to mow the lawn. Hop in let's go.

Album Recommendation of Highest Order Dept.:
Do anything you must to get the new VitalTechTones II with Scott Henderson/Steve Smith (sounding his BEST ever) and my new nomination for President of the United States of the BASS: VICTOR WOOTEN. Incredible music.

Opening acts for other bands, OK. For Steely Dan ? Power Pop ? Appetizer ? Clark Bar ?????? MAIN COURSE LET's EAT DAMMIT !!

Cara: No arm twisting required. I am a procrastinator and haven't checked out the fest agenda yet. I'm not sure yet what mine will be surrounding the show. Right now I have to get though my brother's wedding this weekend ! I'll be attending with my musical cohort (the wife has already seen them, luvs 'em but this time will pass). At the very least, we'll hook up at the show. Thanx for the tug and we'll stay up on this matter. We are THERE.

Worm may be burrowing deep this week what with his Lee gall sit you way shun. I ain't no preacher or even religious and I don't play one on TV but maybe our CONCERNS and HUMAN THOUGHTS and EMOTIONs should touch on his worminess and OF COURSE.....chere in her suffering this week. Thanx also to our GB Medical Personel....God That's Frightening ! Somehow we're glad to know you're there.

Aja: Yep, I'll know you right off the bat! Will your special guy be there? My Magnificent Other will probably adore you, but I've already given him my silent permission. He can't help but admire beautiful girls. Why should he not?

Innocent One: I'm SO glad I get to meet you! I have lupus. I'm always cold. Once, when I lived in Redding and it was 120 in the evening, I took a walk wearing a sweat suit. I felt fine! The neighbors were astonished. Though I'll get warm when I dance, my jacket will be near me when it's not surrounding me...

I forgot Clark Gable. He's the cream of the crop!

These Clarks picked a fine name. They must be finer than frog hair.
I look forward to them like a tasty appetizer...

Watch, they won't be in San Diego.

rb

DJ Mitch, I love Gato! His music is fucking great! His mood is super and his chops are outstanding. I'm actualy planning on catchinb him when he does his west coast thing later this summer.
Anyone who hasn't had the chance, give his stuff a listen. You certainly won't regret it.

This is a promoters 11th hour decision to make the shows more appealing to a wider variety of music fans.
Steely Dan has got to start marketing to the younger generation (the bigtime numbers demographic)to continue to be able to make quality music and headline international tours. They may have had nothing to say about this decision to add this opening band. Afterall, the label still pays their checks and fronts the money for both recording and touring. It's probably a business decision made by Tommy Matolla and his breed in midtown Manhattan.
It's all about numbers in this world of mergers and acquisitions and the ever-shrinking slate of major record labels. Don't be mistaken, Steely Dan's twenty year hiatus has hurt their marketability.
They're not receiving the airplay they garnered with Aja and Gaucho. Remember, "Hey Nineteen" was a widely popular top 10 hit back in 1980.
I don't know what the answer is to this marketing situation but I do know it needs to be addressed for Steely Dan to remain in a position of shot-calling with the record moguls.

I'll see everyone at the Gorge,
Craig

Street Inspector Vinion heard 2VN tracks all across Grant Park

for the Chicago Gospel Fest sound check at the Patrillo Band

Shell.Vinion is a dead on for Frank Zappa. Same agnosticism,

same guitar noodling, same voice, same beard. Now the poor

fellow is infected by Steely. Interestingly, he doesn't pay

attention to the lyrics. Not yet at least.

Anybody just love Springtime from Kamakiriad?

Any deep mystical meanings?

How 'bout;

I'm draggin out some bad old gag / when you touch my

hand.

This I presume makes reference to a hand buzzer?

Doctor Evil, Tony Soprano, Billy Blythe? Anyone!?!?

Q: no clue....but they have a nice website.....

I/O; looks like many East Cost gigs.....

Dave in the FLAROOM - what do you mean - you're the featured guest at the Tampa party !! - I'll come at you shortly..............

The bargain has been struck : the boys "support" the label and the label "supports" their efforts/aspirations to "do more albums and touring in the future" - it's incredible that the music industry has fallen to this sorry state with all the boomers,GenX,Y ers, etc cashola flowing.

My daughter saw NSYNC with my wife recently and they had SIX pre-bands(read: dancin' fools troups) - the industry has it's minor league feeder system worked out indeed.......

I'm a little surprised Don and Walt went for this - are they known to have any affinity for this group ? (YGK?)

The party begins....................TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Q!

The Clarks are from Pittsburgh and have been along with Rusted Root the best of the local scene..... The buzz here is that they are ready to go to the next level, i hope so, they certainly have paid their dues....best song the Clark`s have made is called Cigarette.....What was the reason for the cancelation in Northeastern Pennsylvania? Gato Barbieri is a real Argentine,regardless of what the Smooth Jazz haters say

YGK- some MAJOR pull!! At all the shows are they supposed to come out??

WHAT?!?!? ok i just listened to the smiths and they are a pretty modern band, what the hell are they doing opening up for steely dan. I thought that they would have a band at least a little similiar!!!

chere-get yourself some NSAID's and muscle relaxants-and a good orthopedist. I just got back from the doc and he said my sciatica is just the nerve being aggravated from a torn glute (yes, I manage to hurt myself in the weirdest places-don't ask!) but is not disc related so I can dance the night away on June 9th!

cara mia-thanks to Q's generosity, I will be joining you all in Irvine! Can't wait! Thanks again, Q!

I'm going for bare midriff for the show. I'm not tall or beautiful, and can't sing a note, but I can do bare midriff with the best of 'em. (besides, I've found that it's better to be beautiful to one special person than to the whole world, anyway)

ruby baby-we're probably all not quite as flirtatious in person as we are on this board-that's the fun of cyber-identities. I think you should still dress the part-it's you and the beau on an out-of-town weekend-go all out! I have the feeling we'll have no problem recognizing each other.

Aja

Looks like the Clarks are starting about 2 hours BEFORE the boys are due to come out....Power pot, er pop and the Dan.....hmmmmmmm......some promoter has some pull.....

ygk

Indeed, the tour dates coincide on Pollstar.com.

Miz Ducky - Clarks Web site www.clarksonline.com

They are on Razor & Tie Records. I figured they would at
least be on Giant if they were tagging along for the month of
July. I checked out some sound clips - they sound power poppish.
I don't get it. They must have some connections to get this gig.

See you in Boston Miz Ducky!!!

Mark

Hey, listen. Amen! Anyone kin jive jive, Ebony o' ebonics who has some doodad an' some internet connecshun. If yo' ass go in da house, here, u fixin' 2 be jivin'in no time at all.

http://members.aol.com/tazmo24/jive.html

O' course, dair be still no guarantee dat pale folks will appaih' diesel while cooptin' yet anotha' Ebony culture creashun.

Yo' ass be on yo' own dair, 'espense.

http://jiveon.com/411.html

Times are hard and I was afraid to pay the fee but I was on the horn to ticketmaster and I need see the comparison of The George to the `96 gig which was Vancouver`s concert of the year taking place in center field of our minor league baseball stadium.This time,if they don`t catch me at the border, I`m taking little red the acura it`s nice inside.I hope to lead the charge and savour the day with other Pacific Northwest Danfans.I`ll check if there is gas in the car,yes there`s gas in the car.The sounds on the highway will be Don&Walt,new Los Lobos,Carlos and at times noisefree.The weekend will turnout like I planned if it doesn`t I`ll decline to walk the line.I`ll sell my house in town and move closer to Asia to seek Bodhisattva.

Mark/BostonRag -- could you post the URL for that "Clarks" entity's website? Inquiring minds, and all that ...

/the Mam'zelle

Hello Everyone!!!

Miz Ducky-- Thanks for your suggestion! I really appreciate it! I have a feeling that I know what I'm going to wear. My mom was the one who was worried about lookin' so outrageous! I have an outfit that is plenty outrageous. Yes hangovers do suck! I'm so young to know, but it was half lack of sleep and half the alcohol! But anyway, thanks for your help!

Chere-- oh you know this innocent one partied HARD! Well we were really close to the beach so I went to get a tan and I jet skied and went on my uncle's boat a lot. I tried to wake board but it just was NOT happening! It was to hard. Then on Sunday night I went to the Rock-o-dile and PARTIED! Muchos hombres guapos!! So haha! Um that was pretty much it in a nutshell. That’s cool about the dirt! It's a cool thing that you do!! Well babe, thanks for asking about my trip! That was cool of you. Only 11 more days! Can't wait to meet ya!!

THE COUNT DOWN BEGINS TOMMOROW FOR 10 DAYS UNTILL THE CONCERT!!!!!!

Georgio-- EXCUSE ME!! That was totally rude what you said the Chere! She is a very cool person and she can speak however she wants! If you don't like it, don't read her posts! She remembers the importance of race and celebrates them! Sorry if I am taking this wrong but Chere is a kick ass person! So back off!!!

Cara Mia- Oh don't even! You will look great! I will probably be wearing pants so don't worry about it! I'm so excited! Only 11 more days! I can't wait to meet you too! EVERYONE!!!!!! I'm so excited!!

Ruby baby-- I was thinking about that myself, AJA, you should have us wear nametags of our aliases on the GB! I'm glad that we all get to meet! OH this is so exciting! It is going to be June so you'll probably be wearing the red jacket later on!! It's kinda warm here in San Diego.

Gina-- Well thank you! I am actually 15, but mature for my age, or so I'm told. But I'm glad to make you feel youthful! But I'm positive that you are not old! I hang out with my mom because she's not old and she's cool! I don't care about age at all!!! Age is wisdom! Don't ever be ashamed and don't ever thing that you are not acting your age, guys never do!! So everyone always remember that you are not old! You have just lived longer then some people, you also have more knowledge and THANK YOU TO EVERYONE, for passing it on to me!! 

Negative Girl-- HUH? Steely Dan T-shirts? Are we supposed to get them or what…??

...Yes i'm going insane, waiting for Steely Dan's a pain...

I.O.

StAl (yup, we're everywhere), stevie and Blazer - Thanks for all the reassuring words. I do feel better now and will sail into the Trifecta with only good thoughts. Though, stevie, a rastacone will make it a sure bet. Thanks for reminding me. It's a given.

Also, stevie, your reference to Coltrane made me remember a WOH thought I had a while back. Trane kicked H (Kid Clean), spent the rest of his career trying to punch through to the cosmic wow (alienating a lot of folks along the way), almost got there, then died way too young. His music often was all about enduring the tyranny of the disallowed (Alabama, etc.). He was criticized for not swinging but, really, he was swininging so hard, he burned. Other more obvious references are the "waves of sound" style and C. Potter's solo which is certainly Cotrane-esque. W likes Trane and I've always thought this was a W tune. But, maybe I'm way off. . . .

"Look what we've found in the park,

in the dark.

We will take him home,

we will call him Clark."

Then there's Clark Kent

and Clark Bar

Those are the only Clarks I know. But I trust WB & DF...

rb

I just was on the Pollstar web site and I noticed there was a band called "The Clarks" playing at the Tweeter Center on July 15. My brain immediately did a "WHAT THE F***??? WARNING! WARNING! A CONFLICT WITH STEELY DAN GIG!!!" Then I found The Clarks wbsite and they are playing with Steely Dan on about 10 North American gigs! (There web site laughingly says that Steely Dan are their guests.) The web site says they
have 4 albums out. Damn if I've ever heard of them. Anybody???

My cynical thoughts on opening acts:

Opening Acts = Less Time For The Main Attraction

Mark in Boston

I have to concur with -Girl. I do encounter a good number of people whom only realize the surface sheen of Steely Dan and not
their depths underneath; as such, when I mention Steely Dan I've had comments like, "oh, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, REO Speedwagon and Styx are touring also, you know..why don't you see them too.Didn't SD do Rikki Don't lose that number?" The oldies thing. Unfortunately, have seen some of the media look at it the same way.

There is a chunk of people --casual listeners--who put them among 70s has beens rather than alongside other artists like Dylan, Lou Reed, Joni Mitchell whose work is classic and transcendent of the time when they were popular.

They are missing 90% of it.

Just 26 hours until I head for the Gorge!

jj

Hi everyone!

haven't been here for a while, but was reminded of y'all as i was walking by Gramercy park on sunday. I was thinking that Janie must be pretty loaded if she's the "wonderwaif of Gramercy Park." For you non-New Yorkers out there, here's why: that's a pretty swank neighborhood and only residents on the park and in the immediate surrounding blocks can have access to the park. (and of course, they pay an exorbitant fee for a key to the gate.) it's the only private park in NY...

Hmmm... didn't really understand all the fuss about the backup singer. It seems like back up singers in any band have the job because of great timing and connections & if they can sing too, then that's a bonus. Just like Linda McCartney said when people complained that she wasn't the best person for her job: "yeah, just about anyone could do what i'm doing... but I'M doing it..." I saw the VH1 show but don't really remember much about the backup singers, honestly....

I can't remember which one of you was complaining about your wife's griping about your SD enthusiasm... My husband is the same. he just doesn't get it! He thinks they're just 'cheesy 70s crap' AAAARRGH!!

Wish i could go.... wanted to go on July 8th, but alas, can't get tix that i can afford (ie: can't get cheap tix that i can justify to the hubby!)
have fun y'all - you got your "Steely Dan T-Shirts?"
NG

Has anyone heard Cornelius' new CD??

How is it??

Haven't been able to read or post for about two days, sure feels good to see some familiar names back and also some new ones..
Endre, another Scandinavian guest: WELCOME, I'm also rather new around here and already hooked to this hospitality!
Hello Hutch, although you don't post yourself that often nowadays, it's nice to know you're watching over us ..like Chet Baker used to ask for in a song..thank you!
Innocent One, I guess you're in between 20 and 25 years or maybe even younger, wish I could have that same enthusiasm again. While reading your posting some of your youthful sparks rub off on me, so in a way you're a reminder of how it CAN be et voila, it is, again, so thank you as well!!
Chere, need not say that after the B-incident I was a bit worried you felt you had to take some time out and cool off somewhere ..hope your body & soul will find their way into a balance again and I understand you're into something spiritual?
I have to listen to my own advice to take ten minutes a day and totally shut off for the world around me, to be just me and me alone ..no images, no words, no feelings from others, no impressions, no speculations, no consequences, no thoughts..nothing.
Get control of things and leave them be at the same time, if even for ten minutes a day and it can be so enlightening..
Now I will simply have to do it!! Maybe it works for you as well..
I read something about a Scandanavian tour or maybe even Belgium, Holland.. I'm really considering to allow myself to go there ..I know it will be weird to see others write about the SD concerts in this GB (coming up soon) and I think I would like to experience it myself ..Scandinavia, Belgium's just a stone's throw away, in fact. Hm. Yes. I'll keep it in mind.
Been asking for mp3 at work and whatever's necessary will be installed, so I hope very soon I'm also able to download stuff I read about..I hate to be just curious and have to live without knowing! Or listening for that matter.
Aja, you're right, the lines are busy again, this really is a nice place to be.
cara mia, I have some friends living in Nijmegen, they went there and stayed after university, a nice town..enough going on there..

Hm. Now we'll just have to wait for Worm ...you know what they say, no news is good news?!
Fellow GB-ers, this is a very hectic week with too much social activities related to work. I'm not very good at that when it's too frequent after my taste and I need lots of time to recuperate afterwards. Strange, maybe. I enjoy being here, knowing I have still got to get myself through wednesday, thursday and friday.
With very little time to step back from the crowd and the world.
Well. But there's also something to look forward to, there always is.
For now, goodnight to y'all (22.15 P.M.)
Gina

Yes, fellow engorgers, it will be a warm and wonderful weekend ahead. I can already feel the warm sun and the hot Dan!

I have 4 additional GA/lawn tix for the event, face value ($35). This is the first wing ding of the next thousand and as any major dude would tell you, you'll be sorry if you miss this one.

I live in Seattle and can meet to exchange at the Gorge, Sea/Tac or? I will be at the Gorge early Sat. aboard the Technicolor Motorhome.

Write me at onemorechimp@hotmail.com.

Sorry, fezes not included.

Mark

Have a great time, Team Gorge. I am happy for you, sad for me...

CDnow has some MP3s of Garden Party's "No Static At All" CD posted.

I like 'em just fine. Glad I ordered the CD, I'm sure it'll disappear in a heartbeat...

Clas,

I messed up. What I meant to say about the bumper sticker was:

"EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE IT'S STEELY DAN
in the year of the cat"

hej do!

aja, peg, tom, cara mia, etc: Honeys, I will be there yes I'll be there! All I know is that I'm wearing a red leather jacket. What else has yet to be decided. While I, myself, am rather modest; the rubster is more flamboyant. Oh, how she'd love to pick the clothes! How will I know all of you?

StAl: I wish I could party with you & Hoops at the Gorge more than anything else. On that day, I'll be with y'all in spirit, but you won't even miss me you rascals! (Whoever dreamed up this idea that work & family come first? I'd like to give them a swift kick in the rear!) I'd even enjoy a non-party party with your lovely, smarter half. She must be extra wonderful if she's yours!
It's tough that you must share in the prenatal sacrifices, but it sounds like you're doing A-OK!

Clas: Is the bumper sticker contest over? It went so fast!
I wanted one that said,
"Steely Dan In The Year Of The Kat"

rb

85F at the Gorge on Saturday - get out of town: 53F for a low - what great weather!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/98824.html

Guess I'll have to add shorts to my list of minimal clothes I'm flying with - I'm not even going to check a bag. Hard to believe I'll be in Seattle this Friday - I'll try to make the party Friday night and the rendevous at the gas station Saturday morning. I rented a Ford Winstar - I figured the Expedition was overkill. Looking forward to seeing some of you there.

Cara: Sorry married, and ADD prone esp when the wife is talking.

Maybe it is Big Fan who is attending too many shows for his own good?

Huge or Big? Whichevah...the resume offer still stands

Countdown to ecstacy...you Gorge(ous) folks have a fantastic time together!

Clas--Thanks for the bumpersticker prize. I will send you my address pronto and appreciate your offer to us.

Oleander--I owe you an email. Are you doing both nights in Atlanta? Where shall we party?

Aja and I.O.--dress code for SDiego: short and sweet, that is, if I can get my thigh circumference reduced by about 5 inches...ugh.

Q--your generosity is something. I vote Aja gets the Irvine ticket, and I hope to meet you at the tailgaiters or elsewhere.

Chere--go with traditional cures...sounds like a disc problem.
I hope your orthopod has a quick fix for you.

Steviedan--how about an arm twist for Raleigh? Would love to continue the party with you all after my Hotlanta hangover subsides.

Gina--I lived in Nijmegen a few years back. Maybe I will come back if the Dan hits Scandinavia (Clas will host the big party???) and the Benelux regions. Helig and lekker(sp)!

Big Fan--If you are a wealthy, single, heterosexual, attention deficit disordered-free, TALL and over 35 fellow, I have a photo and resume... ;-)

excited for all hooterie-bound fans,
cara mia

David: the wedding thing was a joke? Jeez, I had a bunch of progressive Russian musicians who could fill (mostly) the bill, and do it for $175, as long as we buy their vodka......
let me know

ygk

Disclaimer- The Wedding thing was a joke.
Edd Cote-I can't find your E-mail address...please send to mine.
Q- Still waiting to hear from you on Tampa Fest.
Alta , Ole-I never seem to hear or see you...Hello?
St Al,Hoops,Pete Fogel- You guys are unbelievable. The Latest info ,Pics and Links that we get from you are second to none for a Dan Fan...thank you.
David

Hi everyone.....does anyone know if there's a site out there with guitar tablature for the songs on the new CD.
The sites out there now only have the older stuff....thanx

gratefulpurple - Not to worry. This band should be getting tight by now. Stretch out they could on WOH. They will (and already did)get bored of playing some numbers. Remember, this same outfit can produce quality renditions of Gaslighting Abbie, Bad Sneakers, Pretzel Logic, What a Shame about me and others that were not played in Japan. There seems to be a lottery going to determine which girl is gonna do the dirty work every night. The old songs are, judging from what I heard, reworked. It's a long summer and a considerable catalog to toy with.

St-Al - Are you seasick or cynical? Cheer up! It's party time!

Chere- Are you like, black or something? What's up with the constant use of racial colloquialism?

Tix Available for Monday, July 3rd at Jones Beach. These are nice seats towards the center. SEC 7L - Row D..that's 4 rows back from the Orch. section. Face value = $170 /pair.

Perhaps a swap for July 8th at Jones Beach?

I will also post these on the ticket exchange board..

Chere, there you are. Doin' awright ? I should have known, I sold the Wayne Shorter JUJU album today and WHAT an album THAT is.

gratefulpurple you will be dazed, glazed, & amazed. The 90s touring outfits have always been well-oiled musical units, highly arranged, but not lacking in groove intensity. Improvizationally, this ain't like Phish or Coltrane where they go for extended "jams", but the solo spaces are well filled and musicianship runs rampant. Every show I've seen has produced that certain glee or epiphany you get from music on a higher level. Like a rasta cone milestone cowboy.

Hello all an happy Memorial Day! I do hope everyone is still safe and raring to go, with all these great shows, er Uh I mean MIRACLES that D&W are speading all over creation. Blessed indeed we all are. I have missed you all and the beautiful energy of the GB.

Steviedan: I am a woman of my word and I told YOU I'd NEVER split the GB, No ser ee not Chere. One reason why?....
I've got High John in my pocket
Got mud on my shoes
Walked all the way from Mississippi
Just to spread the news
Don't care for idle conversation
I'm not your girl about town
But when it comes to making music
I run the voodoo down
And here in this quiet place i own
worlds are born.
The night of my conception
the stars were fixed
conjure woman told my mother
she's gonna turn and twist
don't hav to worry bout her learnin'
she's gonna get around
and when it comes to traveling miles
She'll run the voodoo down
here in this quiet place we own
we're reborn
destiny is my deliverence
I walk this road alone
I take my pleasure in remembering
i'm just a rolling stone
and I don't mind some company
if you want to stay around
but when it comes to my loving
I run the voodoo down
And here in this quiet place Iown
worlds are born

-music by Miles Davis (happy belated Birthday brother Miles)
lyrics by Cassandra Wilson
Another reason why? I was born again my friend
when I signed in stranger.............

Thank you sooo much for just everything brother. Cassandra and our late night simultaneous postings have definantly soothed my soul. I really must come in at chat time one Sunday and see who's there. Really Really wanna do dat!

Gina: How very very sweet when you wondered where I was and felt my absence as a portion of the radio silence on the GB. I am here always here in spirit.Glad to see you have become quite a new regular GBer. 'Tis a great great thing.

IO: How was Mexico? I wuld like for you to gather some dirt from mexico next time you should venture there and sed it to me for my earth pot. I already have dirt from Africa, Italy, NC,Costa Rica, Nassau Bahamas,jamaica,Home Florida,and a bit too from my ancestors graves. having an earthpot helps to give you a real foundation to plant your roots and to keep mi espiritus muy contento. I provide the LOVE and tthey provide the growth and grounding essence. para mi es muy contento tambien. Now I wanna hear about every thing You did baby. Besos muchas, chere

Q: Thank you soo much, I had such fun talking with you on the phone, I WILL write to you, and I can't wait to meet you and your beloved at da show. Got your letter today. many Many thanks brother. Love Ya!

Souooutrageous: If your'e listening watching observing, the world here under the banyan tree awaits your return and all it's majestic glory. te strano mucho papi. Dat me most true! I'll dim all the lights in the rainbow room, prepare you a basket of juju surprise (a sweet indeed surprise) and even more. Come back return. No matter where you are, I will always be with you, doesn't matter what you do boy, oooo boy that's true. Get out your badfinger and put on your dancin shoes, I feel one of my BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM's commin on......

Mike:Thanks for feeling my pain from my posting to Ballah. His wasting of space just plain pissed me off.

Special hello's to Ducky, Ole, blazer, wormy dayglow freakazoid that is Tom just NOURISHING de topsoil and my sexual fantasies, and anyone I may have forgotten.

Now about me and the biggest reason WHY I have not been around... I have had a couple of episodes in the past year with my lower back. This time it was my lower back and legs, The sciatica they called it. I have to use a cane to walk and get to where I am going right now. I happen to be a mover AND a shaker so I am being wretchedly impossible about it. I hope that I will get into the orthopedic doc this week for sure. I am in agony and doped up like nobody's bussiness from this problem. Been flat on my back for days. HATING it!! I have enough shit with my hormones, migraines (arterial migraines real fucking painful) and now this crap. Any instant karmas from my fellow kinfolk here would be most appreciated right now. Can't sit or lie flat, have to be at an angle and pillow under the knee and totally medicated. I prefer hands down the natural approach to everything, so I went and saw my madrina (godmother in Santeria/Candomble) and recieved hardcore cleansing and blessing with oils waters and prayers. Smellin' just like a flower in the balmy night air. Also learned that because the Orishas that walk with me since my initiation four months ago are many. One of them is OYA, Godess of rainbows, protector of ancestors and angels, our lady of candleria, and the only warrior goddess in the bunch. Because OYA walks with me naturally, my next and final step in this caste of santeria/candomble is to become a santera. It is the highest a woman can go. And me beng a white woman and young makes all my hard work even more worthy of all that I posses now in my life, and what I WILL inthe future. I am feeing mighty proud of that. Also unlike ANY other initiate to go that high in the caste traditionally to the bone, (meaning straight up African Yoruba, Brazilian and Cuban I would ordinarily have to shave off my beautiful long auburn hair and have 16 cuts put into my scalp with herbs pressed into them. No extra step for me. I am blessed indeed. This damn back shit WILL be Gone and dismissed. Somehow some way. I miss you all and will try to get up enough anesthitation to post again. Glad I have been missed. Much love and karma to you all. Peace and blessing, resident JUJU Chile' chere

Just a few more days and the bus is on it's way...

Gratefulpurple: To expect -- yes. To desire -- no. Same old story my deadhead(?) friend, but this band doesn't "stretch out" like you and I are used to seeing bands "stretch out." Don't fret, you're certainly in for a fantastic show.

Miz Ducky -- Are you making a rather big assumption on the weather? Though I just heard a high pressure system should be moving in later in the week, it could be cold enough to make your nipples stand at attention Saturday night...

Me and the smarter half just returned from a short 3 night cruise. I don't know about you people but after about 1 night on the damn thing I wanted OFF that ship. Talk about playing to middle America. Another example of the Wonder Bread principal at play. Hear is an example. They had this calypso band that played the Macarena and that fucking Ricky Martin tune. Or how about this -- shipboard entertainment night one -- The "Voice" of Happy Days (his name escapes me for obvious reasons). Night 2 The "Almost" Village People (The Indian and maybe the construction dude I think). And no, I didn't go... Interesting sociological experiment. Oh, and because Jami is pregnant I had the opportunity to party with myself. The only thing I could think of that could be worse would be one of those Club-Med vacations were some blond bimbo organizes your daily activities. Don't get me wrong. Royal Caribbean has nice ships and the views were awesome, but 1/2 a bottle of Crown Royal and a couple of Cubans later and I'm still in need of a party.

StAl

Just a thought on the eve of the tour I've been waiting 20 years to see. This band has been together, rehearsing and playing different gigs in different settings for over six months. They don't need to play the same tunes in the same setlists in the same way night after night. I mean, I'll be happy with anything -- I've been waiting for this for 20 years. But the potential is there for greatness. Let the players stretch out and take off. If WOH or TvN go 20 minutes or more, let it happen. Any decent band, like the Eagles maybe, can do a formulaic show, every night making the songs sound just like the record on the phonograph. This band can do a lot more. Am I wrong to expect it?

Hi, Innocent One--

Yeah, it's real quiet right now in GB Land. Makes me suspect you're not the only one who might be entertaining the sentiment that hangovers suck. :-)

We had a nice on-line chat last night--lotsa familiar names and a few new ones (at least to me), mainly sharing our buzz over the upcoming Visitation.

As to costume suggestions for the Sandy Eggo Hooterie: I figure you can't go wrong with a little midriff display if you're up for that. Or anything slinky or form-fitting. Take a few cues from Calhoun, Cave, and Leonhart--they know how to swing it. :-)

Me, I've come to the realization that the Gorge is in the middle of the frikkin' desert, so my wardrobe is gonna have to observe the Keep It Simple Stupid dictum--nothing that won't be ruined by sweat or sunscreen. Oh well--at least I have a killer straw sunhat.

/the Mam'zelle
ever the fashion plate (and sometimes the blue plate)

ANYONE- whats been going on latley? Someone wanna fill me in...??

i have a question, on Katy lied there is a song called Throw back the little ones, is that supposed to be a joke song, like not a serious one. I like the song a lot but it's a little silly right?? Opinions! Lemme know!!

I.O.

ANYONE- whats been going on latley? Someone wanna fill me in...??

i have a question, on Katy lied there is a song called Throw back the little ones, is that supposed to be a joke song, like not a serious one. I like the song a lot but it's a little silly right?? Opinions! Lemme know!!

I.O.

Hi everyone!! Did you all miss me?? I just got back from Mexico. I'm feeling it right now!! I'm very tired from everything. Um, anyways, i really missed posting. As of tommorow the count down begins!!!! 10 more days to Steely! I can't wait to meet all the people from the guest book too. My mom was so cute because she was like oh NO! there is a theme and she's like how am I going to look so outrageous!! Haha! So looking for some ideas, To ANYONE who is going to the San Diego Hooterie, i need Ideas!! Well i'm very tired and not feeling so well! Talk to you all later! Glad to be back!! :)

The Charmer- That list was very cute!! See ya soon!!

2000 enGORGEment checklist -

Well, I think I have everything ready....did I miss anything?

1) Camping gear: Tent, sleeping bag, flashlight, toolkit, knife,fork and spoon, ect.

2) Climate-friendly clothes: Shorts, jeans, t-shirts, rain gear, comfortable shoes, wide-brimmed straw hat, sunglasses,
unmentionables, ect.

3) CD & Tape player.

4) Tunes: Two or three tapes of Live Steely Dan culled from
various sources. Another tape of Steely rarities, in case I
run into someone who hasn't heard 'em yet. Another couple
of tapes of personal traveling tunes. CD's: Citizen, Nightfly,Kama,11ToW, Rock 'n soul review, 2VN, plus Macy Gray, the new Joe Jackson, Lit, Kim Richey, Dr. John, Foo Fighters, and any others I can slip in the bag at the last minute.

5) A few presents for my motorhome travelling companions.

6) Papers.

7) A notepad and pens, to trade E-Mail addresses with all the
new freinds I'll meet.

8) Sunscreen, soap, deoderant, toothbrush, toothpaste, brush, ect.

9) A few more of those Steely Dan Promotional postcards, in case
I missed a few folks.

10) 4 disposeable cameras.

11) A carton of smokes.

12) The insert to the Citizen box set, to be autographed by our
Heroes, if I get lucky enough.

13) Insane amounts of traveler's Cheques for the merchandise stand.

Any other suggestions?

-The Charmer
sizzling like an isotope

Oh my god. This is all a plot to make me sign up for cable for the first time in my life, isn't it?

Thank you, Q, for doing that little bit of research on HBO in Lost Wages. And what's all this about a "rasta cone," maaaan? Damn, we really must find a way someday to partay together!

/The Mam'zelle
(Six days and counting! Holy shit, Batman!)

....."you're late, whiny and out of context (AGAIN!)......you definitely are a cheap drummer"....

(unless you're A&R at IMN-TV:InVision)

and THEN, what would you be doin chasin some skinny white ass?

Forgot to add that Im E-Z..... "cheap & E-Z." but only to Carolyn. Everyone else pays Top union scale.......

.....If you only knew what kind of drummer I truly am.....

or think I am........

Steely Dan HBO Special? This is not only an amphibious assault on the Hall Of Fame. It's a full-blown media blitzkrieg to take over the world. What's next, a pay-per-view special "Live at the Gorge"?

Endre - www.steelydan.com is the place to go for information on VHS tapes, etc.
Check out this page...
http://www.steelydan.com/2vnbuy.html

Nice to have you here. We already have Gina from The Netherlands and Clas and Lars from Sweden. So the Scandinavian presence is ever-growing! (Okay, I guess The Netherlands is not technically part of Scandinavia).
Anyway.... hello!

Hutch

re: David In The Florida Room

Geez, I only got requests for such musical milestones as "Mony Mony" or "Celebration" or, if the crowd was adventurous, "White Wedding". (I'll admit it was fun to bring in the sampled choir on the keys...)

Or worse, a request to let little Jenny, the bride's 11 year old niece, sing "I Will Always Love You"...

Brrrr...

Spoke w/ HBO Promotions in LA and they confirmed Vegas.

Actually I just hope they stay out of the damned way!

Sony Studios was a dream, but you just can't let your hair down when you've got cameras flying all around you.
Wouldn't want mom to see me with tha fat rasta cone in my mouth!

Q

Altamira --- Tickets?! Where are my tickets? I have the exact same problem. I ordered them online two weeks ago. It states on the Ticketmaster page that it will take two weeks to deliver via UPS. I was just thinking about calling them, too.

I had no choice but Lawn tickets --- bummer!!!!!

HI

It's great to hear new SD-music again. They are the best, and the old records are played very ofte, both by me and my wife.

By the way: ia it possible to get VHS-tapes of shows, concerts etc?

Have a nice day!

Endre

Anyone who's concerned about steely dan's flippant attitude towards interviews should divert their eyes immediately before I nibble this flea off my dick.

The Steely Damned are playing right now (probably doing 2nd A) and I'm not there!!!! I'm sidelined with an aggravated sciatic nerve-I'm way too young for this sort of injury. But I'm feeling contented staying home; something about my beau calling me...I must have my head examined.

Dr. Mu-wish you were in the audience tonight so you could hear it live! Don and Walt, you are cordially invited to the San Diego after party so you can hear how great 2nd A sounds-and maybe give it a shot yourselves!

Gina-don't worry about silence here. It really means nothing. And with this medium you can say something, forget about it, then someone will comment on it several weeks later and you get freaked out because you won't know where they got that information on you. It's kinda fun. Just express yourself and set it free.

In less than two weeks the summer will kick off with Steely Dan! The first reports from the Gorge will be coming in next week at this time! Woohoo, life is good right now.

Aja

OH Hoops! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze say it ain't so!

U ain't down wit da Brown Dirt Cowboy, is U????????????? Huh?

Ah guess they ain't much else in chicaga fer a monkee woman ta do?

ten, nine, eight, seh...ven, six, five four, three, two, one.
countdown to the change in life that's gonna come.

TEN, NINE, EIGHT, SEH...VEN, SIX, FIVE, FOUR, THREE, TWO, ONE!
COUNTDOWN TO THE CHANGE IN LIFE THAT'S GONNA COME!

6 days left to gorge 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stevie Dan - Thanks for your kind words. Alas, I am having to devote my energies to other things these days, primarily a massive search for a new job, so I don't have much time to hang out on the GB, but I do miss you all and I'll check in when I can. Regarding Hoops and the possible link to Elton John; I was a major EJ fan back when I was in high school in the mid-70's and I saw him in concert twice, but he really seems to have taken a nosedive in artistic quality since then. Oh well, his old tunes still sound good.

Stevie Pete - Welcome! It's good to have yet another person from this part of the country on this forum.

BTW, I ordered my ticket to the Columbia, Maryland, show on April 10 and haven't received it yet - I didn't think the mail would be quite so slow - maybe I should give Ticketmaster a call. I ordered the Mannassas, Virginia, ticket as will-call - I think I should have done that with the Columbia ticket as well; but I know that will-call can get messed up too and I wanted to make sure I saw at least one of the shows.

Blazer, unbelievable as it seems, I think that Hoops ALSO compiles/edits an Elton digest as well. When I first subscribed to the digest I was inadvertently put on the Elton list. The digest is great and EJ at his best is awesome, but if you contact the man he will get you skraight. You must admire the utter dedication. Salute to Hoops !

Great Chat in the Chat Room tonight guys & girls!

so much fun chatting real time with all the regulars and nice to meet some new folks too....time to turn in, just wanted to thank you all for some interesting conversation!

MC

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Blessed Memorial weekend, hello, one and all! Especially, sooutrageous.

I think the interpretation of Negative Girl as drug-use/overdose is a little far-fetched.

The Negative Girl is obviously playing him, milking him, using him, the character represented by Donald's voice, to the hilt.

Negative -- if there is a hint of negative in film --- this girl has a lot of pictures taken of her

Is there redemption? Well, the last verse was: "If that is what it was, then how do you explain?!" He is still trying to justify himself that it's okay to hang'in out with her (while being hung out to dry) and even danc'in with her in the summer rain --- which we have had a lot in the Eastern Shore of Maryland.

Peace out,

Pete

blazer....I only have the one version of 2nd A that's on Andy's site. it's interesting hearing the clips of the alternates. I don't have any of those mp3's uploaded, just have them stored on my hard drive for listening enjoyment. Sounds like Andy will have his site up and running in the coming week.

Andy....bless you for providing us access to all that wonderful music! Keep up the good work.

in chat 6:50 PMT

The Cornelius Bumpus website is now up and running! And yes,it's up just in time for the start of the 2000 Steely Dan tour.

corneliusbumpus.com

Blazed: So would I. My favorite rumor on Soundbite 2 is that it represents some form of the attempt to re-record the song after the accicental erasure of the origina;.

A ticket offer for the Mandalay Bay Center on ebay says that the Las Vegas show will be taped for HBO. Does anyone else know if there's some truth to this?

And does anyone have good tix for Jones Beach on Sat July 8 that need a new home??

Beast

Dr.Mu - Sounbite 2 points to the existence of yet another version I have never heard. I would love to hear it in full. If anybody knows where a full version of this one can be found let me know. The other two can be found here:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/6433/mp3.html

Midnite Cruiser - where is your bounty?

One more thing: has anyone got tickets for Columbia or Manassas or any of those dates from the first batch of online ticket orders? TicketMaster sure didn't wait to bill my Visa card, that's for sure....

-Andy

Hi all,

As you know, the MP3s have been down for more than a few weeks now. I've been busy beyond belief, but now I've got plenty o' time to deal with the problem. I promise I'll get to the bottom of the problem this week. I'll keep you all up to date.

Thanks,
Andy

I have all the mp3's off of Andy's site saved on my hard drive but don't have any of them uploaded....if there's a tune that you absolutely can't live without let me know and I'll try to post it on a server somewhere.

oleander....any plans on Raleigh yet?

Clas....I'm burning your copy of DanFest2000 Live @ Valhalla as I type this. should be in the mail one day this coming week.

Blaze: Yeah, Andy's site is down...haven't tried it in a while. I don't know where one can snag the whole demo now, but here's a site with snippets of 3 versions including the demo:

http://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/sd.html

The demo indeed has a bit of a bouncy, skippy reggae feel, a bit like The New Frontier. An electric piano (don't think it's a Rhodes) graces it as well. Much of the verse lyrics are different. Here the protagonist is played more sympathetically, weary and claiming to be heartbroken, begging an old lover for a 2nd chance...a pathetic man. But stilt, there's the warning that she's in for more of the same. I like this version immensely.

A few corrections are needed here. First, 2A the demo version is not part of Andy Metzger's sound page which is magnificient nonetheless. The version he offers is the same one I refered to only the sound quality is greatly improved on the japanese page. The latter also offers the demo version. This one is radically different: no drums, laid-back reggae feel, different lyrics (quite funny actually). It's a stripped down early take with bass, piano and vocals only. It's worth checking out too, of course.

Second, refering to Metzger's sound page at this point in time can lead to frustration. The server he stored the songs on has been down for a while, you know. It's a real shame since there are some nice ditties on there. Lots to talk about.

Just one of those things ...anyone familiar with the Fried Green Tomatoes? Kathy Bates, Jessica Tandy and Mary Stuart Masterson or something like that ...A real real nice movie!

Aja, thanks for your warm words, I really feel at home here even though the silence of some has got me a little worried ...
Robin, still out there?
I also would like to address Josie who thought she couldn't top the current contributions ...there's always a story to share, I reckon.
I see drMu has had a peanutbutter and Chely sandwich ...here it's 17.00 P.M. ...had some fried garlic and potatoes...I don't do drugs of any kind, but garlic can work miracles ...a natural high indeed.
Did you ever try peanutbutter and slices cucumber?

So now it's mellow acid from England, smoothing over this Sunday afternoon...While most of you slowly get into the groove of this Sunday, I'm headed towards the end of it!!
So I hope to be reading you before I say goodnight ...

Bye now, Gina

Aja: Hank Easton and the horns do sound fabulous. There's a non-disco demo version of the song on Andy's site as well very interesting. It would be a *fantasy* to hear it live on tour. No chance I'm certain. In fact they should record 2A live and put it on the next one which they should record live a la Negative Girl...mix it - done in 2 months.

Ha! I knew the snare on Gaslighting Abbie was saturated. Now I know why...

Have a safe holiday all

Elton John Digest? - see now you've all upset Hoops. Hilarious if it's a joke. It is, I hope.

Ajax - The road east goes through Shine Of Your Japan/RareCDs. Half of it is written in japanese. Sorry, can't help you there.

BTW I did not misspell Corny's last name. Bumbus is his birth name. He changed it to Bumpus when he found out Interpol was trying to find him.

Mike A

I am sorry to report that Bumbus, mascarading as a loyal GB contributer, has planted the seed known as the Caroline controversy. I believe he is trying to get her and the brother fired so he can gain control of the backup ensemble. He has a tight little unit (The Bumbus Jazz Alliance) he has assembled down in the subway shadows and they are ready to move in (midtour if necessary). By the way, these musicians have been observed hanging around Pete Fogel's club. I hope he's not involved here (he seems like a straight arrow), nontheless, he should be watched carefully.
Unfortunately, the weaker amongst us have latched on to the Bumbus evil conspircy. If we continue to propogate his hellish misery, Penko Power will be the next target for elimination. If Bumbus is successful, D & W will forever be emasculated and you'll never see another new CD no matter how many times you beg.
This must cease!!!! Write your congressman and tell him/her you do not support the Bumbus initiative in any form, fit, or function.

I am just looking out for you and all future generations........
Sincerly,
Mike A

Being that this is Memorial Day weekend, I propose a moment of cybercylence or lack of digital flatulence for GB posters no longer with us or lurking nearby...
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soout, chere, others once prolific. We remember you. Now is the time for all Danfans to come to the aid of their subculture. Live dates are nigh. Excitement awaits us Tomorrow's Guys & Girls. Brighten my night with your day.

Roy: The scene you describe is horribly familiar. When we were there, they called it "Cotillion". Anyone waiting behind the stage curtain without enough Glenn Miller in their book should be scurrying about looking for hanks of sturdy hemp rope on which to be dangling once said curtain opens. We thought it would make a great AP news item: "As Cotillion members stood horrified, the curtain opened, revealing the hanging suicidal tuxedoed musicians. Actually we made it through and got another call from the group. We were "already booked". I dig old people and their music, but didn't know enough foxtrots and cha chas and couldn't take the immense pressure. Our favorite verbal phrase that evening: "We're sunk".

Actually my moment of silence was occupied by the blues guitar stylings of Popa Chubby. It was, however, Just as solemn.

Gina-you're a great addition here! Love your writing style and the creativity you express. And that goes for the Divine Miz D, too, as always.

Q-free ticket? I'll be happy to drive the, oh, hour and fifteen minutes to Irvine for another round with the Guyz! I'll take it if you've still got it.

I've heard Steely Dan's Second Arrangement on Andy Metzger's site and I didn't like it as much as the live version I'm used to hearing from the Steely Damned. The Dan's version was more polished but a little subdued and on the disco side for me. That song rocks when the guitar is cranked!

sooutrageous-are you ready to come back yet?

Aja

Sunday Night Chat at the SD chat site linked from here.

10pm est--7pm pst, figure out your own timezone please.

Good folks, good converstaion and 1 week to go!!!

Be There!

Hiya Gina--

Haven't said a formal welcome to you yet--so, welcome! I've been enjoying your contributions so far.

As to what kind of duck am I (sung to the tune of "What Kind of Fool Am I") -- I figure I must be a Long Island duckling (Long Island being pronounced, as I think one of our other New York GBer folks renders it, "Lawn Guyland"). I mean, I myself didn't grow up on Long Island, but a bunch of my relatives did, and I grew up in another New York suburb, so as far as I'm concerned that's close enough for government work. Um, where was I? Oh yeah. This duck has since migrated to the US Pacific Northwest, which has great weather for ducks. I also confess to being an avian cannibal--I love roast duckling in both Asian and European forms.

As to The Nanny--a whole lot of my relatives talk just like Fran Drescher. My own New Yawk accent is pretty mild, but definitely present--and grows stronger when I'm tired, or drunk, or have spent a couple weeks visiting family and friends back in The City. Or any combination of the above.

BTW to all and sundry: there's a marvelous on-line Yiddish dictionary at http://www.koshernosh.com/dictiona.htm, ready for all your deciphering-Steely-Yiddishism needs. Although this site always amuses me by spelling words with f's where I've grown accustomed to using v's. Nu, whatevah. Enjoy!

/the Mam'zelle
Zay gesunte!

Blazer -
Thanks for posting the file for Second Arrangement. First time I've actually heard it after all the years of rumor & fable. I like it, a lot. Can you give me an accurate history of which sessions it came from, where the MP3 dl was obtained, and why it was never included on any compilations? I'd have much rather heard it than the "Everyones Gone to the Movies " demo included on "Citizen". I'll be at Pine Knob on 6/25. Can't wait! Thanks.
Ajax

Can't help but asking if Miz Ducky's related to the Peking family or the l'Oranges? This question's been burning even before I went grasshopping around St.Al's Pancake House who refers to this GB as being a host to "BS" as well ... Now I have said it, the question hopefully will leave me alone ...about this yiddish angle ..I watch the Nanny every now and then ..lots of yiddish going on there ...Mel Brooks ....Blazing Saddles ...and the wind cries Mary..

Have also caught some of The Steely Damned ..a few seconds even of Haitian Divorce ..that was the song that made me hurry into the store and buy Royal Scam ...introduced it to my friends..they were into Jimi, Doors etc. etc. they liked it more than the Earth, Wind & Fire albums I borrowed from my nephew ..

Roy Scam ...but did they respond in any way ..those senior citizens you wrote about ...obviously it did make an impression or else you wouldn't remember ..But I don't get the white part..

All bits and pieces.
Mercury and Gemini rule..I'm sensitive to that kinda stuff..
There's no media player attached to this Compaq thing I have ...have to install it ..hm.I wonder how..it's 23.00 P.M.
Time's irrelevant to any matter I understand now..
I'm on a slow train to Peking ...

HUGE fan ...you're real lucky, you know that?
Your molecules will Dance Not Alone ...

SWEO ..Gina
(Sleeping with eyes open)

blazer-all i can say is ouch!

No wonder Chicago is so lame re;SD fest plans, radio play, etc

Chicago: Home of the Cubs, Styx, Billy Corgan
AND
Chicago Magazine music critic Kevin McKeough,
who writes:
"Here's hoping that this jazz-pop outfit brings more gusto to their 1970's hits than they do to the weightless music on their first new CD in years."

Kev devoutly drips and dribbles loving praise over the usual suspects and corrects- John Prine, Lou Reed, world music, whew!

I get the serious condition blues.
I figure Kev is at one of Chicago's blues mecca tourist traps
trying to figure it all out.

Happy Memorial & Birthday..
Good to be Alive & a Glorious Time To Be Free..

Hi everyone! I leave for Portland this coming Thursaday. All I can say is ouch!
The letter below is for Donald & Walters eyes only. See you people on the road. ...................................

Dear Donald & Walter,
I'm going to see you guys 10 times this summer. Could you please not play the same fucking setlist every night!

Thanks,
HUGE fan

Actually, it's transliterated from Yiddish, so all bets on spelling are off, but I've most often seen the word spelled "shmendrik." Strictly speaking, it means "fool," but with a little more "umph" to it than that, a bit more derision. Yiddish is wonderful that way--it has, for instance, the most extensive vocabulary I've yet encountered to describe just what kind of idiot you're messing with. Does real good in describing one's reactions to said idiots, too.

/Mam'zelle Canard
all verblungit on a Saturday morning

Stan Lee - BTW, love your comics. In reference to 2nd A.
Don't like the title so let's ditch it, right? Geez, some of you guys never
cease to amaze me. Well, last time I checked, garbage picking was not
illegal. So here it goes:

http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~shinomasa/mp3/secondarrangement.mp3

From now on, I will not adress anyone on the subject who hasn't actually LISTENED
to the track.
After you have done so, tell me this is the worst Steely Dan song you've ever heard and
I will consider YOUR opinion. Have fun.

Actually, I think the word is: 'SCHMEDRIKS!' Not to be confused with 'FREDERICK'S' who've also given us some extremely nice 'numbers' although the beat is imminently so much more danceable; if ya know what I mean?!

To anyone that reads this check out the band SPANK THE MONKEY @ WWW.SPANKWEB.COM. For some ASS POUNDING ROCK -N- ROLL check them out. You can also hear there music at MP3.com. If you like what you here vote for them at Farmclub.com.
Spanks A Lot

In the last Steely Dan interview I read (linked by Hoops's Digest), Donald Fagen says , "Two weeks ago we were schmendricks.". Sounds like one of those great, Linda Richmond, schlemeil, verclept, fershnugina (all misspelled , I'm sure) usages. Any background info on this word from you steelinguists?

stevie dan: "nicotombs". Good word. I spent a significant portion of my college years in those. Might I offer the variation, "alco-hall"? -- Actually, as an aspiring amateur, I've performed on rungs of the show business ladder that make road houses look like Carnegie Hall. I once played a room of about 200 people, all white, all over 60. [Uh, Roy, nobody wants to hear this.] Sorry.

Proposed bumper sticker: "COED NAKED LUNCH"

RS

was watching Scrooged with Bill Murray on tv today and who do I see on the street corner with a "starving musicians" sign in front of them?

Miles Davis, Larry Carlton & Paul Shaefer.....who'd of thought it?

ghost of Christmas past indeed....

Award Inscription

ASCAP honors Walter Becker and Donald Fagen

STEELY DAN

Musical Innovators
whose unique, diverse, and distinctive contributions to music will enrich generations to come

Still haven't organized our new home ...knew I had a tape with Lyle Lovett on one side and Walter Becker on the other ...FOUND IT! ...Kamakiriad's on now...DF's Nightfly sounds more like SD ...I hope no-one will get frantic when I say this ...but don't you think WB has a touch of Willy Deville?? It's only a matter of a split-second-vibe, you know ...that's all..
WB is electrifying...would like some more guitars next time on a new SD release.. DF's down to earth-like, on safer grounds ..I love their music separately and together ...well....we all know about that, don't we?

I'm going to find out more about mp3 ...as Blazer said ..you guys (and girls) can enjoy them in your backyard ...I've read some earlier comments about mp3 and related stuff..Oh..LOL's also the dutch word for FUN ...so in a way it's still the same after all!!!

No real comment on 2VN ..but they could have spiced it up a bit ..I guess you'll see sparks flying during their tour ...I hope St.Al's got this GB insured ... ...
...Girlfriend..!!! ..have to rewind that one ..

StevieDan...aloha to you too ..

Time's up. Lyle's waiting, there's also a little get together with Ricky Lee and I won't miss out on that ..
Maybe later this weekend ...
Bye now, Gina

Updates to the ODP! - including a pic from the ascap awards and a funny bit on the return of PENKO POWER. also new pics from japan on the darkroom page

In the spirit of the holiday weekend, I am listening to "a brasilian christmas". It's so surreal. It's the good stuff too, like Joyce, Ivan Lins, Dori Caymmi. You know, REAL brasilians, not white guys from california via windham hill, not that all of THAT is bad. Anyway Merry Weekend to everyone and first of all:

Mike A.: I'm ALL ABOUT the HALL of FLAME !!! We've had some Oscar nominations lately. Heartfelt though and mostly fun to read. Special recognition zone. How SPECIAL !!!

Mr. LaPage: D&W on Hollywood Squares ! I can't even think about it, particularly since Gene Raeburn wouldn't have lived long enough to host it.

She Who Must: I know everyone has dumped on you and your point is actually appreciated in general, the biz thing and all. But it's really absurd that D&W would stand in front of a 1.1st rate singer every night, much less a 2nd rate one. Some ensemble singers have ranges that are imperative to the chord voicings that are not AS effective as solo voices. All the reasons you stated for her being there are totally far-fetched, EXCEPT that her brother is the trumpet player which actually probably raised the bar for her. Just think what went through D&W's minds (THEIR minds, now) when the new trumpet guy sez: "Hey dudes, I've got a sister who sings". OOOO K. I personally am gonna check out her LP and see just what she's got happening. Good enough for D&W...

Ah Gina: I see the GB gains another JAZZ fan. Invoking Geoff Keezer and Diana in the same post. Girl I like you already.

Without looking back, I believe it was Miz D refering to re-checking for tickets. This would be sound advice and I would know, as the manager of a TM outlet. Sometimes DAY-OF-SHOW tickets can be AMAZING. Miracles often happen. It's unpredictable, as miracles are wont to be.

Altamira: What a story !! God, I've played a few bars just like that. Rednecks in cinder block nicotombs (although I'm sure Jaxx is a much nicer place than that). I understand the vibe. I'm Southern and WILL occasionally have to have me sum Allmans, Skynyrd, Tucker, ELVIN BISHOP, DIXIE DREGS (Southern Mahavishnu) but that's just one stop on the endless buffet. Not a way of life (except maybe the Dregs). However, millions of satisfied southerners have been served and will SOON be served at the Arches of Dan. TRULY Golden. Girl don't be so scarce. We've missed ya.

steviedan
from brasilian christmas to black sabbath paranoid in the same post. on to bill evans and further schizophrenia.
night all

Hey folks-I found this letter from the "Brides Mother" to be musically Humorous...hope you do too. David

Dear Bandleader:
>
> We look forward to your performance at our daughter's wedding. If you
don't
> mind, we would like to request a few of our favorite songs. If you could
play
> these at some point during the reception, we'd be grateful:
>
> Any Keith Jarrett composition from his solo series. Please arrange it for
> full ensemble and nothing in 4/4 please.
>
> Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Dance of the Maya" and please have the guitarist
play
> John Mclaughlin's solo from the live performance Nov. 16, 1972 at Chrysler
> Arena. My wife and I were at that show and we particularly liked his use
of
> polyrhythms. If you find it too difficult you can leave out the feedback.
>
> Any of John Coltrane's duets with Pharaoh Sanders. I understand that their
> use of atonality is not everyone's cup of tea, but all our guests love
high
> register tenor saxes.
>
> We thought a little Stravinsky right after the toast would be nice. We
> particularly like "The Rite of Spring." If you want to use the sheet music
> it's OK. We like a tempo of about 1/4 note = 93.
>
> Then for the candle lighting ceremony, please play Frank Zappa's "The
Grand
> Wazoo." If you want to play it in the original key of B flat, that would
be
> fine. And my cousin Jeannie would like to sing the baritone sax solo,
though
> you may have to play that part in another key--she has kind of a high
voice.
>
> When my new son-in-law takes off the garter, could you play just a little
of
> Varese's "Ionization." It's such a funny piece, we think it would go over
> real well. Much better than "The Stripper."
>
> And for the bride & groom's first dance, please slow things down a bit by
> doing Barber's "Adagio For Strings." It's so much better than "We've Only
> Just Begun" or the "Anniversary Waltz."
>
> When my wife and I join in the first dance, could you please segue to
> Thelonius Monk's "Ruby, My Dear" - it's in honor of my wife's grandmother
> whose name was Ruby. It would mean so much to the family.
>
> Thanks very much for all your help. We'll certainly be happy to recommend
> your band to all our friends.
>
> By the way, the gig pays $250 for the group, and before you leave, please
> feel free to ask the caterer for a sandwich and a soda.
>

to saturate or not to saturate:

http://www.eqmag.com/current/columns5.shtml

Well gosh darn, happy birthday josie! See you at Shoreline. Are you coming to the danfest? A birthday kid could sure liven things up a bit. Hope you can make it.

Had a Two v. Nature sighting today. At Trader Joe's, in beautiful little Pacific Grove, California. Jack of Speed. I was shopping for my trip to Angel's Camp, CA to partake of the fun in the sun at the Mountain Aire Music Festival. Steely Dan in a grocery store is a great way to begin three days off. Okay, yeah, it was in my car, too. I hope everyone has a lovely, safe weekend full of music, magic, fun and frolic.

SD's playing on my b-day. Yeehoo! June 17 at Shoreline in Mountain View, CA. Don't have any smartass comments to make. Can't top all you guys. LOL

Has any GBer ever rated ALL,
highest to lowest, of SD's
64+9=73 published songs?

Second Arrangement, cool title (not), doesn't count if it's
second rate, overlooked, discarded, forgottten, whatever.

I am trying. Maybe I should stop.

So far;

Aja=masterpiece
followed by
either West of Hollywood, or Babylon Sisters

I quit.

2VN is 9 feet tall and rising
Again; Negative Girl is so heavy
Gaslighting Abbie milks that funk extra thick
Makes old Chic sound imperfect.

A veritable shithouse load. A plethora. Too goddamn many to count. A bunch. Way too many.

"how many 40 something, selfish, awful, baby boomers do we have here?"

Not a one.

WANTED: Motivated ticketless Danfan

This is the last ticket the old "Q" has in his back pocket anyone looking for a single Irvine tik - ORCHESTRA 1, ROW V, seat 136..........FREE- but only if your gonna be in the seat yourself that night(or a real friend) !!!!!!..............let me know!

God i wish I had time for all of this microscopic analysis - I'm still sticking to the "ZEN" approach due to analytical incompetance and lack of TIME......... - just embibe, sit back and let the beauty pour over you and "gently squeeze" you( except when WB or Jon rip - then hold onto your chair and let it resonate through your soul!)

email me if interested.....

ONLY 2 weeks for the Q man - Vegas,LA I&II, then Irvine - 1st or second row center each show - than a rest and it's off to Atlanta I & II and finally West Palm and finally "desparate and dark" Tampa- trying to work Jones Bch in.......

"who makes LIFE WONDERFUL(besides the kid & wife) Don & Walt, it's you..........don't runaway"

Europe anyone ?

Q

PS JK, still workin on it.....it will happen - you da MAN!

how many 40 something, selfish, awful, baby boomers do we have here? i here that that the baby boomers are the worst generation. what does this have to do with steely dan? nothing. fucking nothing. i don't give a damn

anybody want to suck my dick?

Daddy G - Thanks for the e-mail address; I didn't write it down, but I'll look it up in the archives.

Hutch - Thanks for the CD; I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to it.

Roy Scam - My friend Dave really liked your song "Crazy Girl;" he played it three times when we listened to the CD in his truck.

YGK - Thanks for the notice about the CD; I'll visit the web site and order it, and I'm looking forward to hearing it.

Hey, everybody - I have been awfully busy lately and haven't had time to read the GB, but I hope to get caught up over the long weekend, and I do miss you all. I was reading an article in the Washington City Paper about a venue called Jaxx in Springfield, Virginia, that books mostly hard-rock and metal bands from the '80s, and draws fans from all over the east coast. Apparently Steely Dan isn't very popular there:

"We need to have some real rock 'n' roll music played out there," barks Nedry [Jay Nedry, owner of Jaxx]. He's holding court in the lounge of Jaxx, downing a porterhouse steak and a Heineken, his pre-gig meal. Tonight, the Roadducks [Nedry is the group's drummer] are making one of their regular monthly appearances. They were supposed to be the opener for the Marshall Tucker Band, longtime buddies of Nedry's who canceled for more money at a frat party in South Carolina. Moments before, a bleary-eyed man approached Nedry's table to complain about the slick, syncopated music blasting from the PA system after opening band Outta Touch had finished its set.

Nedry always listens to his customers. "I don't want this smarmy music," he orders a worker. "We've got Southern Rock Night, and you guys are out there playing jazz!"

"It's the new Steely Dan," explains the employee. "That's all I got."

"Why don't you ask Kim [Kim Cocho, a bartender and Nedry's girlfriend]if she could let you use her Ratt CD in her car?" says Nedry. "I'd hate to have you have to think and use your brain."

I use it to indicate a joke: "Laughing Out Loud"? "Lots-O-laughs"?
I'm not sure. In this case, the appropriate abbreviation would be LAMOJ (laughing at my own joke).

I use it to indicate a joke: "Laughing Out Loud"? "Lots-O-laughs"?
I'm not sure. In this case, the appropriate abbreviation would be LAMOJ (laughing at my own joke).

what the heck does "lol" stand for???????

Aja - I just said the frontman SOUNDED like Meat Loaf. I don't consider this an insult. He's a fine vocalist. On the other hand, if you think it is, you've just insulted Meat Loaf. lol.

Last night I was checking on what seats are left at the San Diego show and came upon 2 ORCHESTRA seats (singles) in the 6 and 8 rows! Orchestra was supposedly sold out when the tickets went on sale in April, but miraculously a few have appeared. If anyone's unhappy with their seats, I'd keep checking back. I'll bet more floor seats will become available for all the shows.

Aja

...Not only very appropriate, this "radio silence" hasn't occured in some time...but it's also the title of a release (1997) by pianist Geoff Keezer ...someone mentioned Diana Krall ..she's present in an indisputable vocal manner ..The Nearness Of You runs shivers down a demanding spine followed by an instrumental Lush Life (Ricky Lee did Strayhorn, even Donna Summer didn't do bad at all.. ) that suits well as an introduction to a mystic soothing Island Palace ..those who felt the agony in which Odessey was tied to his ship in order to ignore the lure of the Sirens ...the voice of Diana makes sure you won't be Home at Last..

I saw "Bali-Hai" in a comment ..It's from South Pacific, isn't it? ..along with the I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Out Of My Hair song..would be neat for a commercial ..

The quiet gets to me as well. It's 22.35 P.M. Hope everyone will enjoy their weekend...
Bye, Gina

Amen, St. Al! The song sampler on www.steelydamned.com is 2 years old and very distorted. Bob sounds like he has a clothespin over his nose in the sample, but live he has a very good voice. No, he doesn't sound like Donald Fagen (or look like him) but he's not trying to, either. He (and the rest of the band) perform to pay tribute to another awesome band. Steely Damned does not try to recreate mannerisms or other idiosyncrasies of Steely Dan (like some parody acts), just the incredible music.

I'm getting a laugh out of the Carolyn bashers. On the one hand I hear jealousy over who she is (25, gorgeous, great voice, and touring with Steely Dan-who wouldn't love to be her?) and on the other I hear men bashing her because they can't go out with her. I'll bet CAROLYN would love it if people would just listen to her sing and forget the rest.

And lastly, uh, thanks, blazer, even though you insulted my favorite local band. I'd better be careful what I say here-I don't think I can live up to the impression I seem to have made. Beauty tips? Hmmm, how about always shave your armpits (unless you're into that sort of thing). I AM a triathlete, though, and I have the usual assortment of injuries to prove it!

Aja

You sang while Fred and Ginger danced
their cheek to cheek up in the sky
A one-liner from a two-timer
Keep your distance stranger
Don't waste your time
I'm not the kind you're after
I've been there before

I froze when he went up the stairs
You said what's that your smiling for
A one-liner it's an oldtimer
Guess my secret stranger
I played it cool
But you made me feel like an airheaded fool
You knew the score
You've been there before

CHORUS:
Now you're a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of mine
And I remember your name
You have faith in a dream
And you made it make peace with mine
So will I still feel the same

I sit and wait until the day
Shows up and makes me wanna tell you
A one-liner it's a two-timer
Keeping distance stranger
I'll bide my time
It's not the one I'm after
I know the score
I've been there before
I know you'll see
The inner part of me CHORUS

You sang while Fred and Ginger danced
their cheek to cheek up in the sky
A one-liner it's an oldtimer
Guess my secret stranger
I play it cool
And you know I've been a lover's fool
I know the score
I'm coming back for more CHORUS REPEAT

All rights reserved 1993

Dan Fan's, I think the Carolyn Arguement is silly, IMHO
How many of you have tickets this summer to see Carolyn?

Remember, we are going to see the Dan!

She just happens to be a part of the band. So who cares if she smiles, frowns shoots, shits...........

As long as she stays in key I say 2 tears in a bucket....

Next issue: I have to tip my hat to Mr Lapage again.
People, I think we are getting a little edgy waiting for the US tour to get underway. I know I am. Can't we all just get along?

People the likes of St Al, Hoops and company, SHOULD be commended
for putting together some sort of Q&A for D&W, they don't have any control over what those guys will say.

I myself have worked in the hospitality business for upwards of 15 years and I have run into a few stars as well, Lets remember
folks, WE put these people on pedestals.

As far as the Stars as humans thing goes sure its refreshing to
hear those stories about our Icons doing humanatarian things but
judging from their sardonic lyrics maybe they're not nice guys.

The only thing that Steely owes us is music for the songs we've
purchased, and a dammed good show for the tickets we bought.

He's changed... He walks through the old routines...

But he's changed..... Guarenteed....

CHI.

Once again this morning I was listening to wacky morning DJs John Fisher and Mike West on Dan-friendly Seattle station KMTT ("The Mountain"). Once again that dyed-in-the-wool Danfan Fisher spins "Cuz." When the song fades out, the Fish mentions the upcoming Gorge concert ... and then he fairly chortles (while his partner makes fun of his fanboy glee) as he announces that they'll be talking to the Guyz on the air sometime next week.

Especially for all you new folk, I'll remind all and sundry that KMTT streams their programming live over the Net, so if you're a total obsessive-compulsive like myself you can catch yet another episode of Don & Walt end-running interview questions. :-) The website would be http://www.kmtt.com, the hours of the Fisher and West Show are 5:30-9:00am Pacific Daylight Time, and the show's usually on Monday through Friday, but because of the U.S. Memorial Day holiday I guess it won't be airing on Monday.

/the Mam'zelle

...It's quiet in the air ...don't know about all those different time zones ...I wonder what Chere's doing ..and I also wonder about all those other GB-ers that came and signed in over the past 5 years..what made them disappear like in thin air???
I'm gonna do some dishes and 20.30 P.M...but not before expressing some gratitude to St.Al for making this GB possible ..don't let us take you for granted ..or else just shut this thing down for a while ...hm ...no..I'd rather you didn't!!!
Bye, Gina

God = Good

Fight the good fight, Wormy.

Best Wishes for God

It's obvious now that the worm-dude has his own negative girl to deal with. Let's wish him the best of luck.

...or was it worm we had to wish luck???....

Hey Blazer ..I was indeed wondering about the SD daddyhood, still, Clas already shed a light on his status as a parent, so why not you..like you wrote yourself, vibes and thoughts seem to share something, I like this magic!!!

Gina - Sorry I read a little too fast. It's Don and Walt you're interessed in. I know Walter has a teenage boy and that's about what I know.

BTW - Two american perks I can't enjoy: Steely Dan in your backyard all summer and seeing the VH1 Storyteller. Can you believe I haven't seen that? I'll have to wait months before they decide to air it here on Canada's MuchMoreMusic. What a shame about me.

Fezo: not sure what part of the Burg he was from, but The Hill or Hill District, where Civic Arena is up to Oakland where Pitt is located, or Homewood Brushton are 2 good possibilities. In the War years it was New York,Chicago,Pittsburgh in that order for Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington,etc. The Legendary Crawford Grill in the Hill District was the place BLACK entertainers had to go, today its is still there, but the violence and Crack has ruined it.......Don Henley was excellent on A+E Live last night......Visit your relatives june 18th for Gato Barbieri and Diana Krall........and its free.................................

Gina - Although some people have recently assumed I was the loner-with-a-boner kind, there are kids around and a wife I must dodge to be yours truly. No they never dropped on the floor just yet. I'm home a lot these days seeing to the welfare of the blazer line including a toddler. The perks of social-democratic policies. Our american friends will likely never enjoy this bliss and will have to endure my pretense a while longer. Sorry.

Which brings me to my non-Dan-fan quote:

The wife, lately: "You like that Steely Dan guy more than you love me! Why don't you go and sleep with him while you're at it!"

Bliss. Maybe the word is too strong. Break time!

She.....and others:
In the music department, CL has great credits, and the fact that B&F are using her again to sing on their stuff this tour says something. What it says is another discussion entirely. I don't know about her upcoming album, but I will definitely give it a listen, as I would any other Dan current alum.

In the looks department, CL doesn't do it for me. The reference to Ms. McVeal was hilarious! And I really must say that all of the women on that show share a significant lack of physical substance.

My post from ways back about the VH-1 show mentioned CL's attitude as it appeared to me on that broadcast. Having seen her up close at LBB after the PBS tapings, and having watched her interract with people at that time and place, in concert with the footage from the PBS and VH-1 shows, I drew my conclusion, albeit one of distance, yet one of wisdom and experience with people, and, even, singers.

Just because she doesn't smile doesn't mean she can't sing.
And just because you might think she's a babe anyway doesn't mean she's a great singer.
She could be both or nothing - it's all subjective.

Hope this clarifies my (now realized) ill advised posts on the 'matter'.

ygk

Had no idea who Carolyn is, have some now ...since I'm amongst well- SD- read GB-ers, do they have children?? Are they gran-daddies??? Maybe a little one sat on D's knee hop hop like a horsey ...next the little one flat on the floor while grandad ran to some cybermusic instrument to capture the essence of what came to mind ...you never really know how it works ...

Clas...I'm utterly speechless by your poem ...my name was given to me by my father, it's Regina Heizer (Heitzer?) a German ice-skater who's elegant circles on the ice made my dad decide he wanted his firstborn to name after.. well ..not the circles ..and if it were a girl ofcourse..I'm more thrown by the fact that they were sharing some kind of happiness (while engaged to get married) and then found themselves before an altar with me poking in my mum's belly.. I do I do ..oh yes they did ...I never understood why a 6 month old baby (counting from their wedding day) could carry that much weight at birth...
Bootsman ..a St. Bernard dog and children and an island ..a swedish children's program ..does it ring a bell...?

Blazer...It's all a figment of my imagination, although it seemed rather logical when studying their 2VN cover ...they even borrowed the Pink Flamingos from Ricky Lee's Traffic from Paradise..covers alone tell stories ..that's why I miss the vinyl so much ..it's all zipped nowadays ...

Worm ..I do LOVE your feel for words and it makes me feel lightheaded ..it ain't heavy when heavy ..am I clear or ....

Hm..Almost forgot ..I'm aMUSEd ..
Gina

Hey Nightcrawler

I think she is chasing so many men because she doesn't yet have a sugar daddy. She probably lives off her dad's money, may or may not have a job, dead end at that and has a roomate to keep expenses low. The roomate is kitchen clean good girl and get emotionally offended by her escapes so she refuses to have lover boys call there (for fear of being thrown out of the apartment).

She is desperately seeking a man to land her in the lap of luxury and will drop anything or one for the most opportune one

unfortunately she still has to play it delicate with her roomie

just my take

I like yours too, and I love the moth analogy! zap! zap!

t

ps. I'll be gone till next wednesday
my son's custody trial
hopefully I will be a full time single dad by then!!!
if not God will provide the Grace to deal with the utter disappointment

cheers and wish me luck

i agree with Ed. i think very few of us, if any, who criticied the VH-1 performance, were assessing her vocal abilities, it was more of a critique of her presentation skills for that one particular show.

i hope it's her turn on "Dirty Work" when the show hits Bristow. I have little doubt that's she'll crank.

...under her belt to say she's earned her chair...

Are you saying she's sitting on her triangle?

I think the little tirade by She Who Must Be Dismayed is way off base.

Whether Carolyn's voice suits any of us personally is one thing, but she's got enough credits under her belt to say she's earned her chair.

Her solo album is due for release next month.

Who Must be obeyed - It's not an assumption, it's a question. I know for a fact you're agressive. That's all I know.

Howard - man, I have asked you before but you don't answer you stubborn little guitarplayer. :)

Why the hell do you call these "slash"-chords "polychords"?

What I understand, with my tiny little brain, is;

you persevere that, for example, the chord D/G is both a D major chord and at the same fucking (excuse me Delta Airlines*) time a G major chord. I cannot possible agree with you and I feel that it is my DUTY to illuminate YOU Howard, that you are way out of line here.

Listen;

playing a slash-chord means that you are playing the G-note with your left hand down in the bass-areas (we're talking keyboard here okay?)and the simple major D-chord, with your right hand, right?

So, the "G" stands for what should be played in the lower areas. In the bass.

It would sound awful if we played these "polychords" as polychords, that would be, from bottom to top;

D F# G A B D

Try that one on Don't Take Me Alive. You wouldn't come out dryshood, that's for sure.

Kind regards and a merry weekend,

yours sincerly;

sir Claus von Wienerslipzen

*sue me Delta, ha ha.

WormStud, Ahhh, but the line about not calling her at home reveals so very much. This chick would never live with a female 'roomie.'
She needs her femme'-fatale space. She's territorial and possessive with what she's amassed. She's the 'pearl of her quarters' so to speak. She's not sharing her catbox with another feline competitor. If by so small chance she DID live with a 'roommate'; she certainly doesn't strike me as a girl who'd give a fuck about what her housemate had to say.
She strikes me as the type ever-so-ubiquitous type of self-assured New York City woman on the cusp of the millennium who hides behind a mask of faux-self-confidence and makes statement like, 'When i want your opinion,; i'll give it to you." When all the while, she needs a man to feel self-actualized. Thus the crying on the phone jag; 'I need you here.' Implying, that she's home all alone and needs comforting.
She needs instant gratification and she needs it NOW! Nevermnd that once you arrive at her place, she's already left with a group of friends who drop by with reservations at Blathazar for drinks and french fries with gravy.

blazer rouge: That is just what I meant. Why are looks so important? Why should you assume that because I commented negatively on Carolyn Leonhart I must therefore be unattractive, envious and frustrated? Sexism is alive and well.

She - You really don't like her, do you? Her looks? What about yours? She's young yet already a Dan veteran (touring and recording)and she looks real fine. On the other hand, we'll likely never know what YOU look like. We'll never hear those singing chops of yours. Under cover of anonymity, it's too easy to go off on people like that, don't you think?

Look at Aja, for example: a blonde, a triathlete, a young professional...(sounds goood to me). With the hints she gives us, we'd be more inclined to hear her beauty tips. But who are you, besides maybe...jealous?

It's time to put the whole subject of Carolyn Flockhart -- uh, Leonhart -- six feet under where it belongs.

The facts: She's an anorexic clotheshorse whose brother directs the horn section -- hmm, what a coincidence. Her solo on "Pretzel Logic" during the PBS special distinctly indicates that vocally, she's the weakest of the three backups.

I can understand why all the loner-with-a-boner men on this guest book stuck up for Carolyn. But from a woman's point of view, she's an insult. Believe it or not, there are a lot of us out there who expect to be judged by the quality of our work and/or our intellect, not on our looks. If Carolyn were a great singer, or a musician, she wouldn't need to hide behind all the mugging and pouting. But then, judging by the generally sarcastic tone of Becker and Fagen's responses to the fan interview questions, it's not hard to think that those wiseguys might have hired her specifically for comic relief. (Think of all the negative girls and bimbos in their lyrics.) It's just too bad they didn't have the guts to drop the ironic pose long enough to hire a female guitarist, keyboardist, bassist, drummer or horn player for this tour. Or at least to find a backup singer as good as the ones who were on the previous tours.

hey nightcrawler

I hear what you are saying about her skin color
and that's one I was inclined to also

I just liked a twist in that she is lily white to be sure that beauty will not be cramped by later leather bag skin

I know plenty of neg girls that
wouldn't dare do anything with you in the daytime without a ten mile wide hat or visor, wear sunblock 50 on their faces
and sunblock 2000 on their "Heart and Soul"

why must she be living with the business man who's away?

it fits but what lyrics point to that directly other than the phone restrictions?

oh by the way, Biloxi is still under the muddy delta's sway
even if you guys kick our tourist ass where casinos are concerned

cheers wormy

WormDude, The 'negative nymph' is already living with some rich international business-type who's intermittently away leaving her to her feline-clever machinations.
While he's away in San Franciso, London or Sao Paulo, she's vamping around town, blowing rock, partying till dawn, drinking Peppar Vodka Martinis, hanging with her jet-set crowd and fucking her way to the bigger-better-deal that constantly eludes her profoundly-shallow grasp.
The milky pallor of her skin is simply the result of her vampiric lifestyle which dictates that she sleep till sunset and rise to wander the city in unending revelry with her fellow denizens of the moon. A pathetic coven-of-the-night indeed.
According to literary lore, 3:00AM is 'the soul's midnight." During her endless "dark night of the soul" she seeks out unsuspecting hearts who are attracted by the allure of her beautifully lonely decadence. Our protagonist is simply a withering moth who's been caught in the 'heat of the cold white flame' emanating from her eyes.

...and if I was him I wouldn't stare into that coke for much longer, I'd just snort it up and have some fun me too.

Worm - yeah, and there's no goddamn doctor up Fordham road, that's for sure. I saw the movie.

Dr Wu
wormy: It seems that she's living with a guy who's often not home. Is that why he's not to call her, just in case he is? or is she close to Janie's age? or is it more straightforward and she's picking who to abuse tonight
~ Hey Doc,
~my take on it is that she isn't this underaged babe, but rather about the same age as the male she leaves by and by. Either late twenties or early thirties.
I think she doesn't want him calling as she screens her calls on the answering machine and she doesn't want another victim she is currently screwing overhearing and thinking she's attached or two timing. Either that or she has a roommate and doesn't want roomy coming down or upset with her over all her manipulative male pursuits. She is more concerned with what others think than the protagonist's right to call. Also it leaves her ellusive and he is dumb enough to go along with her demands
"Some cash, a key" and illegal buy? a fix? it seems so...
~ or enough money to go out and score some more fun with another male victim - the stuff laid out means sorry bud but I am busy and out of here
~who knows, she probably is a coke head

One wrong move and I started printing this GB, 54 of 378 pages, had to call our helpdesk to stop the printing...never mind, now I have some of the finest on SD from ever finer GB-ers to re-read when at home my server refuses to work ... it happens, you know...
Anyway ..I'll get back to you about the Negative Girl and the deers and any of their album covers ...I used to stare in the hole of the shoe of the sleeping man on the Royal Scam ...
Lots of the ...How about The The ..anyone into the 80's???
Don't wanna leave my collegues doing my dirty work, so ...
Bye, Gina

Hutch - yes, Josie is one of a handful of Dan tunes I have in mind to add to my site. I just need the time to type them up!

In fact, there is a decent file for Josie already available at OLGA. Try:

http://www.olga.net/search/

and type in "Josie". In my usual pedantic way, I don't agree with a few of the chords, but the file is basically very good.

Those four chords at the end of the intro are sooo nice, but tricky to play on the guitar:

1xx010 2xx355 3xx232 4xx563

If you have someone else to cover the bass notes, you can just play the triads on top.

The verse is another classic example of the Steely Dan "slash chord" (polychord) in action: there are E/A, A/D, C/F chords etc all over the place!

Howard

"Ouch! That Steely Dan... it's so cold."

Cara Mia - congrats girl, you won the Bumper Sticker Contest. Email me and I will fabricate the Sticker and send it to you.

If you are shy about your address, send your address to StAl, then he will send it to Donald Fagen who will send the address in question to Irving Azoff who will send it to Chevy Chase who will give it to Stellan Skarsgård who will submit it to Svenska Filminstitutet.

If you're not shy about it, my address is above.

C

wormy: It seems that she's living with a guy who's often not home. Is that why he's not to call her, just in case he is? or is she close to Janie's age? or is it more straightforward and she's picking who to abuse tonight

"Some cash, a key" and illegal buy? a fix? it seems so...

fezo: I finally saw it. I'd never throw out the babe with the bathwater...or even the bathwater

Clas: There's always oppression, dude. It's called PC now. Thanks goodness D&W don't adhere.

Funny post last night from the Carolyn fan club. The guy/gal blasts people here (and rightly so) for taking the shallow road and commenting on the cosmetics. Then he/she turns around and says: "How about that Bumpus?" Well, what's wrong with Cornelius? He smiles, Dammit!

Wormius my pal - Yes, it seems to cover the twisted relationship angle. Poor guy waits in line for the wonderwaif, addicted to the point of no return. Now, thanks to Gina, we have the work angle covered too. I don't even know if she was refering to the song or events from her own life when bringing up the photo negative comment. All I know is that it came at the same time we were trading fours on the subject. Knowing that Donald seems to be into photography on the side - he contributes to the album art after all - the main character could simply be taken by the "negative girl" the same way a housewife would be smitten by the "cable guy". It can also refer to the girl that ends up on the photograph in the liner notes. Hence the skin like milk, cold white flame aspect of the negative girl.

Gina, you're a muse. I think you're up to something.

GINA! Here's my poem for you, first in German:

"Ich habe fahren fraim unt to beijko

in my slaf se whole nite geloncht,

nicht können geslafen, nicht können get strong,

mine tanken sie hatte eines gehold off,

unt my Sternum she stoled for long"

Swedish:

"Jag snurrade som en propeller,

i min säng natten lång,

jag fasade för min dentist,

den onde, fule, med sin fasansfulla tång"

English:

"I was driving around like crazy,

in my bed all night long,

my thoughts went to her constnd... costd...

my thoughts went to her constantly,

and at last I got up and I wrote this song"

Gina, did I ever tell you that you have a beautiful name? Your parents must have been very happy when they named you.

Auf wider sehen Gina!

C

Allright - yet another (actually 2) one word twists that define a dan song

Here goes "Any Major Dude"

any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again.
When the demon is at your door, in the mornin' it
won't be there no more.

the two words you ask? simple "falls" and "it"

his situation is so bad that it can't come together but rather out of shear desperation it "falls" together
out of the total chaos and dispair his life can then mend

"it"? yes. the demon isn't literal but rather the hangup that has you down for the count. An object or obstacle that keeps you down and fearful

cheers

alright,
GB do a 180 degree turn
where one might ask?
no not downward to the topsoil
but let's go negative

as in negative girl

Sandwiched between the incestual Cousin and the West of La plasticity is our lovely negative gal

I believe it was the Blazer Rouge who so elle oh quint leigh
stated that the song can be taken in three lights
sex, drugs and R&R

I'll try to stick to the first more straightforward take
with a few dabbles in the other two

shall we jump right in? wormian comments in ~

She's lost - she's late
She's zooming on a couch somewhere
Or high - or home
I'm not supposed to call her there

~ humm, the femme fatale he has become engaged with is elusive
(is the relationship a 1)one night stand, 2)one month stand or 3) 6 month romance? for my money I go with #2 but it's vague)

~ She's self absorbed, stoned or whatnot but has distinctively stood him up. Though they are friends it's funny he can't call her at home, she can't be bothered or he isn't deemed good enough for her (she cares more what others think than about him)

I wait - I smoke
I stare into my coke
It's happening again
I tell myself that it's over and done, amen

~ he's bored, he has overextended himself to her and again is non too graciously stood up. What's happening? another relationship gone from bad to worse. He knows he has to end it but then his resolve just isn't there, is it?

~ drug angle, obviously he is over the edge and needs to quit but can't

Her skin - like milk
It's like she's never seen the sun
Some hearts to crunch
Is more like her idea of fun

~ she is obsessed with her looks
not just now, but for the long haul
she is one dimensional in that way and doesn't want to deal with skin cancer later so she is this prissy ghost like figure

~ the heart crunching is her love for watching guys fall for her, then she pulls the rug out from underneath them
our protagonist is standing squarely on that rug
know it will be pulled, but will still fall and fall hard

I know - she's ill
I'm cruising for a spill
I'm hanging just the same
I need to be in the heat
Of her cold white flame

~ like I just said, he knows he is being toyed with
but wants to burn anyway, her charms cloud his judgement

~ cold white flame - she is so hot looking - the flame content
but she has a heart of ice - "the cold white"
white heat is the hottest, and he will burn, no doubt
and he even knows it
then again maybe he is shallow enough that his association with her is somehow a status thing for him among his peers (no?)

CHORUS:
Another negative girl
At the edge of the frame
Deliciously toxic
The original classic thing - more of the same

~ edge of the frame, I'm on the out with her
but will enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts

She's in the zone
Crying on the phone
I need you here
I'm on the street again

~ finally she gets ahold of him and is quite demanding
something else more desireable or opportunist must have fell through and now he is her fall back guy. And note, he has dropped everything and is awaiting her beck and call and immediately complies with her demands despite being stood up

Staggering out into the burn of the brain dead dawn
To arrive in time to find her gone

~ when he goes to her, and she being "up all night"
he finds he has yet again been stiffed. SOmething came up before he arrived or she planned to get him there and be gone
a real bitch manipulator

She's on the train
To somewhere up by Fordham Road
Her reptile brain
Locked down and ready in combat mode

~ combat mode
her m.o - deceit, lies, and manipulating guys
reptilian - she probably is a real hot looker
but doesn't have much upstairs
never needed to be smart when her looks were her meal ticket

Some cash - a key
This guy she has to see
A doctor friend uptown
And maybe she gets to me when she comes back
down

~ some cash, a key - sound kinda like Black Cow?
on the counter, by your keys...

~ she is rude enough to mention another guy
and is dropping him now for a possible better offer
real gold digger after Mr Medicine

~ and note, he's still content to be her seconds
when the other offers end or don't pan out

CHORUS:
Another negative girl
Spinning out of the frame
Exquisitely limpid
The original classic thing - more of the same

~ spinning out of the frame
interesting -

A goof - a buzz
If that is what it was
Then how do you explain
The way she looks when she's
Dragging me out to dance with her
In the summer rain

~ humm, I'll easily buy her lame excuses
and hang around because she seems to really enjoy being with me
wrong oh

CHORUS:
Another negative girl
At the edge of the frame
Exhausting and luscious
The original classic thing - more of the same

~well here you have it
a man so set on the chase
that he ignores all the warning signs
and decides to burn anyway

~ and miss manipulation never can be happy
even when she finds her opportunistically wealthy man
oh how shallow we are, are we not?

wormbo thomas

One last swipe at this dying nag:

Pat, I was in no way suggesting that you are 'fair game' for open hostility and unfair criticism. If you came away with that impression, I apologize. I merely stated that your labor of love in constructing this wonderful page has had its own set of rewards consequent to your intentions when constucting this site. Continue with the fantastic work.
I too recall numerous times taking the lead in group activities, where considerable time and planning were needed to bring the project to fruition. When I was criticised during these volunteer efforts, I became extremely rankled and my hackles were immediately raised; bigtime! I Know where you're going with this critique issue. I've been there. I'm sorry I added fuel to the fire.
If you check my points on the now-infamous 'interview,' you'll see that I was not commenting on the compilation process or your yeoman effort, but I was critical on D&W's overplayed 'Charles-Nelson-Reilly-and-Paul-Lynde-fielding-questions-from-their-seats-of-honor-on-Hollywood-Squares-schtick.'
I'm not angry. I don't feel entitled to straight answers. I didn't even submit a question for consideration. I'm simply expressing my point of view on this issue. I felt that the fact that the questions came from the heart of the Steely Dan fanbase and not a music-beat reporter should have engendered biting sarcasm, wild humor and also some straight-from-the-heart-repartee from the guys. My expectations my have been alittle askewed?
If you're saying that the submitted questions didn't rise to a level that would seperate the true listeners from the 'where'd you get the rubber dildo name queriers' than I'll take your word for this and wipe the egg from my face.

I'm counting the days till the US tours kicks off! Anyone else?

Craig

Clas: Hello, I guess it was my wake up call to read your posting after holding my peace reading the interview stuff and all...
Like you might probably know the famous wooden shoes and windmills, I know Abba, Pippi and that it's hard to become an alcoholic in Sweden unless you're wealthy ...
I'm at work now, 13.50 A.M. ...been to the dentist ...someone wrote about elevator music ..I wouldn't mind some Dan while lying in that chair ...I remember Ricky don't loose that number swinging by on several occasions throughout the years ..the radio ..
Back to work ...I'm real curious ...Swedish??!

And to all the other GB-ers: How 'bout some fun and laughs for a change ...we take ourselves too seriously sometimes ...or am I stepping toes I don't intend to ...in that case, I apologize already!!

A concert coming up??
This GB will work overtime afterwards I guess ...
It's going to be hard labour to read the postings...
Bye, Gina

i'll gladly go to-to-toe with Diane on a wit and knowledge contest. as long as the topic isn't the god damn interview. and no one is spanking anyone else, unless Chely Wright appears and wants to get in on the fun

last night's SD dream: i go to see them in a special show for real fans. tiny ass venue, maybe 150 chairs. they open with "Whiskey Rock and Roller". A great concert it was.

Wow - what a coupla days......

First off,

St. Al/Hoops: Thank you so much for the opportunity to ask what we considered to be a meaningful question to the boys. Great opp. It's regrettable that you couldn't control their answers and serve them up on a silver platter so everyone was happy. Still, the answers were hilarious. Great idea, great effort and kudos to you AND Jim - but the boys will do what they want.

Diane: see my e-mail, please. I was merely disagreeing with you. I'm allowed right? To say there's no such thing as constructive criticism seems (to me) to be indeed an errant comment from you, because of the wealth of insight you bring to the board. The comment seems a bit off kilter, especially from you who is normally so consistent. That's all. peace

Clas: I'm not even going to go near the Carolyn issue. My original comments were about a specific taped performance, had nothing to do with her singing, and were actually backed up by a few others. Then they got twisted to hell and back 'round the corner. It's not worth it. Dead issue.

But, BTW - Bumpus is Beautiful, man. I've commented on him in the past, too.

ygk

(Excerpts Reposted without permission)
Name: chere
in a serious zone..

Comments:

YOU DON'T WANT A FUCKING PIECE OF ME YOU SCUM.
GO AWAY NOW!!!!!!!!!!
You nasty nasty ZIT on the ass of life. Take your pustuleous ooze to another space to spread your bad karma. It is not appreciated OR wanted here. I will not answer or take ANY of my time to address you in any way again, but if you are as wise as you think you are, you WILL leave. I am watching you as are others.

chere: I feel your pain man!

Friends: What is happening here? I leave the GB for a few weeks and the whole vibe has been inverted. It is good to see some passion, but this controversy over "the interview" is way over the top. After this, those Dan guys will never speak to us again.

StAl: I think the interview concept was exceptional! my question wasn't answered...big wow...I do not authenticate my self worth by having celebs acknowlege me. I think this is the problem for some. Remember it was me who suggested you establish a "Hall of Flame" section on your site? Maybe the time is ripe.
Mike

Diane - "Understand that when I was growing up, Black folk had to sit in the back of the bus, women were virtually imprisoned in their roles as housewives and mothers, hardly anyone admitted to having sex outside the missionary position and you couldn't say "damn" on teevee. Just because a thing is so doesn't mean it stays that way--nor does it mean that thing is right."

You couldn't say "damn" on TV? When you grew up?

You must be very young Diane.

I couldn't say "fucked up flight" to the redhead sitting beside me on the the flight from New York to Cincinnati last year. The captain called it "harassment" (afraid getting sued?) and I had to stay in Cincinnati for 24 hours.

You still have a long way to go yankee.

Negative Girl - what people are doing on these Dan Fests? Sorry, I don't remember.

YGK - so, what is that context on that "Carolyne Case"? What I remember, you said something like:

"-Who does she think she are? Is she doing Fagen and Becker a FAVOR being there?"

Why don't you take a closer look on Bumpus, I mean, THAT's not a pretty sight.

Where's my Netherland friend Gina? I sat up last night writing a poem to her. It took some time, first I had to write it in Swedish, then translate it into English, and then from English to German. It was a hell of a ride.

C

Oh yeah, I also hear quite a bit of Kamakiriad because we often use it on gigs. That and Metheny's We Live Here. 2VN has broken that dichotomy and surplanted the two. That's a feat. Not a little one.

My last post (well, the "dead horse" part anyway) was in NO WAY intended as a response to StAl's immediate prior post. I had not seen it when I submitted. Mine had sat on the screen for awhile while I was reading liner notes or getting Bugles or something. The man has the right to defend himself infinitly. I was talkin' about the rest of US.

peace in dandom

stevie ra

The Great Lakes Trifecta Danfest (Milwuakee, Chicago, Detroit) has a "progress report" of sorts via a set of updated web pages at the Danfest registry at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/trifecta/

Check it out.

hoops

I has this dream last night where I was on M*A*S*H and Hawkeye and Trapper John (or was it Hunnicut?) were played by Walter and Donald (!) And then various cast members were played by folks on GB and from the Digest and so forth. Hawkeye and Trapper kept giving smart-assed answers and in response, the people playing Frank and Hotlips and Charles kept screaming "Be serious!!!! I need answers!" There was a couple of dark guest actors/actresses who were on the South Korean side but had this dubious role as some sort of bureaucrat, but then went back in the shadows. The people playing Radar, the Colonels and Klinger got most of Hawk and Trapper's (or was it BJ's?) schtick, but occassionally they didn't, and/or were momentarily irriated. I think I was the inccidental actor on the other end who received Radar's telegraph message from Hawk and Trap about the girls and Martini's; and St Al played the bartender in Seoul who sent the martini mix.

Something like that.

hoops

What is it now, 2-3 days and COUNTING on this dead horse ? Bring back the chord tabulature or something else equally as exciting...really. Good interview Bad interview Good interview Bad interview. This is getting like the Britney site. The verbage on this is sooo redundant. The controversy is fine, but I'm afraid that D&W will clam up forever with this on the wind.

Daddy G: Although I listen to mounds of all kinds of music every day and RARELY listen to anything twice, I seem to be getting a hit from 2VN every 3rd-4th day. Alot of that is at the store or at gigs where I continue to bring Dan to the world !!! Lemme hear a AMEN Y'ALL !!! I actually rarely listen to old SD albums. BLASPHEME !!!! It's true, I already know them well, but I haven't heard all the styles of Burundi drumming or everything Art Tatum ever did. I'll drag one out every....couple of years. But that music is etched in my DNA.

Worm: As for early "live" recordings. I couldn't begin to tell you where to get it (maybe Ebay but not condoning), but a CD roughly entitled "Memphis Blues Again" would be something worth seeking out. Primo 70s live.

 

Sgt. Schultz- that would be a good web site if any of the links actually worked!!!!

Blazer, my man... When it comes to Steely Dan cover bands there ain't a one I've heard that can hold a candle to Steely Damned. I'm not sure if I'm misreading your post, but this band is very solid. VERY. With the exception of Bob's vocals, the band is tasty alternative to the real thing. No, no sampling here. No one sounds like Donald so you have to look past the vocals and get into the groove. A very accurate one I might add.

Bob -- Thank you for posting with a real handle and e-mail address. I completely understand your point and others who made it before you. You see, the problem is I don't really give a shit if we didn't meet (certain) others expectations. I know that sounds harsh but I cater to the glass-is-half full group of people on this GB and the Internet in general. It's these people who understand all the nuances that go into working on a project like this. The make assumptions that we may have chosen certain questions over others for a very good reason. They appreciate most things in life and NEVER EXPECT ANYTHING. It's this group I care about. The rest can go hug a root...

Again, I wanted it to be the definitive interview. After reading most of the questions I realized it wasn't meant to be. I don't have the time to go into my argument on all 400 questions, but believe me I/we scrutinized all of them.

General Statement -- Being a public figure doesn't mean loss of privacy. Public figures have just as much right as the rest of us to choose what we want to talk about publicly. Those who think otherwise have a fucked up thought process. These public figures don't owe anyone a damn thing other than the (quality) product that made them public figures to begin with.

Craig (Mr La Page) -- Again, thank you for posting above board. I'm not sure the point you're trying to make though...? Does your reasoning mean because Jim and I have experienced things many of your haven't we are fair game? I certainly hope not. I'm fair game when I come on this guestbook and show my ass like I so often do. Otherwise, I think this is the point Diane was trying to make -- if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it...

Oh, and whoever made the statement they wished to go toe-to-toe with Diane in contest of wit/knowledge... My money's on Diane. She be spanking you like a dirty white boy needs a good spanking...

http://members.home.com/metzger/dan/sounds.htm

YK: I think that Donald Fagen once said that he simply was not satisfied with the result of those sessions. It would be interesting to know how many songs were completed, and if he and Walter were writing songs briefly after or before the aborted 2nd solo album? What were the songs about? What did they sound like or what ideas/thread permeated those works in progress? Was it jazzier or more R&B like Kamakiriad? Why did they/he not try a straight jazz or instrumental album? Fagen did sort of with a soundtrack and collaborating/writing songs for GlenGarry Glen Ross, etc.

However, I'm not certain that interviews are the element that puts an artist over the top or has held Dan back. By any stretch of the imagination they have been extremely successful overall in sales and respect. Their successful tours of the 90s, Website, Newsletter, etc. have been effective in drawing and reclaiming fans. They've given the fans who subscribed a break (as best as TicketBastard would allow) on the '00 tour as well.

Re: 'serious' interviews'

I think my main criticism of Steely Dan not giving any serious discussions about their work is that when they don't take themselves serious any new reader or listener might not understand what the Steely Dan legacy is all about, they'll just come away thinking that these guys are a bunch of goofballs.....and as a consequence of Steely Dan's non-seriousness to their representation to the press they are not remembered as one of the great bands of the last 30 years...they are still somewhat of an insiders act.....what they needed was a 'cult' like following from within the press corp.....while they may have gotten this from the FM dj world of the late '70's they never rally got that much appreciation in the print media......now with their return they have a chance to re-invent themselves for posterity but I believe thay are failing.......I mean why are they so afraid to tell us about themselves......it's taken us 28 years for us to find out that Becker's dad died when he was a teenager (we still no very little about his mother), we don't know why they weren't drafted for Vietnam, we're not really sure when they began "working" for Warner Brothers (some reports say they signed with Warner in 1974, if this is true then it sheds interesting light on the exiting of Baxter and McDonald to the Doobie Brothers), we don't know when they recorded those other early albums for ABC (Narasota, Thomas Jefferson Kaye..or even when Dallas was recorded), we don't know whether they actually had a Lennon/McCartney type arrangement for their song publishing, we don't knw why Fagen scrapped his 1986 album (or what happend to all the songs.......so I think that there is a lot of substantive questions to be put to these guys...but nobody has the gumption to do it.........If Steely Dan wants to be remembered properly they've got to do better than fielding questions about whether or not they are going to sing the national anthem

Damned linkmaster - OK. Great. I guess I now heard what the song would be like if it was covered by Meat Loaf and a swinging jazz-pop combo. The guitar player is solid and overall it's impressive but there's something unique about Donald's voice that does it for me and makes it more interesting. It's a vibe thing and it doesn't mean I'm gay. Misleading dude that linkmaster. He's just pushing his favorite sideshow. Wish I had something to sell.

now

Howard - This guy comes in here and hints at the possible existence of the unerased , original, vintage part of a fave of mine. It's somewhere out there, he says, unlinked and abandonned, floating in cyberspace, ripe for the clicking. You youngsters didn't hear it? He adds, condescending. Then he tells us that version was superior to the one we're familiar with and that he sides with The Boys when, apparently, they refered to it as stinko and dismissed it. Then he leaves to figure out the fingerings and leaves us hanging. Now I'm asking again where is the gem?
unless he was talking about the erased part. In that case, I understand perfectly.

40%

Miz Duckie: Virtually all of the answers in this interview, the PBS Special, VH1, and snippets from various interviews distributed throughout newpapers, magazines, and the web have been hilarious - no doubt. No one was more disappointed than I that Letterman didn't pop a nitroglyderin and go toe to toe with D&W. The first fan interview - an internet chat hosted by Hoops (and others) in 1996 is also hilarious as well...

Speaking of Kind of Blue, have ya ever noticed that the sax solo near the end of So What bears resemblance to Bob Shephard's solo on Vincent's Ear from Michael Franks' Blue Pacific - or is it just me? ...uh oh, just past the 48 hr mark - gotta go...

Just remember, Michael Jordan missed over 50% of his shots from the field (Shaq is close from the line), the best Ted Williams could do reach first base 4% of the time when he swung the bat, and any session player who scored a 50% on their solos in a Dan session is a bona fide hero, a god...

Laura the Brat- thank you for thinking of me. I live in California. Or more specificly San Diego. I'm soooo dumb. I was just by wherehouse, or how ever you spell it, and i didnt' look! I'm soooo dumb!!NOOOOO!!!!Well i feel like caca-doo doo so I just wanted to go home. But i don't know where they would find the Virgin outlet thing down here! But thanks for thinking of me whenever you find stuff!!
i/o

Midnight- Yeah i realized that after i already posted! sorry!! hope you have a good vacation too! We'll be on vacation at the same time!! AWESOME!!

I/O Michelle....the URL listed below is NOT of Steely Dan mp3's. It's a collection of songs recorded by some Dan Fans in Richmond, VA back in March of this year. NO DAN TUNES AT ALL....

off for seven days....y'all have a great Memorial Day if I don't see you before then!

Don't know what end of the country you reside in, but if you are looking for a walk in location for the Dan, have you tried a Virgin Mega Store? They tend to have stuff that I haven't been able to find anywhere but online. Also, I believe the Wherehouse will let you order CDs if they are available. Just a thought since you are obviously going through mega pain trying to find them.

Laura

Not to beat on a dead horse (bad pony, bad bad pony), but it seems to me that the same people who want W&D to be asked personal questions would be mortified if someone wanted to dredge up thier personal mistakes and/or miseries and publish them for God and everyone to view. The people who feel they have the right to know because W&D are public figures would feel it was too invasive and personal if the shoe was on the other foot. I do not believe being a musician removes their rights to have a private life. There are enough celebrities out there who don't have one by their own choice. Somehow, the fact that W&D do not whore themselves out to the media and the public says something about their ability to have staying power without having to keep the rumor mill constantly getting their 'names' in the paper, so people don't forget who they are. Like a fine wine W&D have become more and more enjoyable, ripe with possibilities, and it will just keep getting better.

Hi everyone, well it's only a matter of time before I leave. 5 day Weekend!! how cool is that? We have Mon. and Tues. Off from school and I'm taking the day off tommorow. I'm going to miss posting though! I won't get to post till Monday! :( NOOOOOOO! So i will miss you all. SO i hope all of you have a great time! But we only have about 2 more weeks till the Steely Dan concert! Which is even more exciting to me then the vacation i'm going on!! I am loving the new CD's. I still really want to get the Royal Scam...I know where to find them now but it's so much of a pain in the ASS to charge them cause I don't have a credit card. well anyway, i'm just rambling so i will miss ALL of you and i hope to talk to you all soon

PEACE

Daddy G-2 days. After that I start blinking alot and get an annoying facial tic. I just can't get enough. In addition to TvN, I've probably tracked Citizen about 10 times. I love rediscovering some of the songs. I was listening to Monkey the other day and stopped to think about how it waould sound live and I got shivers up and down my spine. 29 Days to the Midwest Trifecta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace love and DAN

Razor

I thought the fan interview was funny. Very.

I thought the answer Don and Walt gave to my question was funny ... and also quite sweet. I got a feeling the Guyz were sympathetically joshing with me in their own (IMO) delightfully warped way.

I thought the Pete Fogel interview in the PBS special was funny. In fact, I'm glad the director included more of those interviews (with Tom Barney, Cornelius Bumpus, and IIRC Vicky Page), because they were funny.

In fact, I always like it when the Guyz are funny. I think their interview randomizations and other assorted humor pieces are some of the funniest shit I've read in years--better, IMO, than a lot of stuff that passes for professional "comedy" these days. Furthermore, I'd be kinda worried about them if they suddenly got all Serious like, um, Sting or somebody.

As to getting substantive info out of the Guyz: I have been keeping up on the interviews in the press (MOJO, Rolling Stone, Performing Songwriter, Guitar Player, etc.), not to mention the stuff in the archives of the Official Site, plus all those back issues of Metal Leg on Granatino's website, and these has more than adequately answered any possible question I could think of regarding Don and Walt's professional selves. And the funny bits have also entertained me immensely.

Ideally, I don't really want to ask Don & Walt any more questions, anyway. Ideally, I sorta wish I could just hang out with them some afternoon, or better, some evening, and just shoot the shit and participate in their wacked-out conversation, which conversation reminds me powerfully of many wacky conversations I used to have in college, and still have when I get together with old college friends or new friends of like wackiness. Given that the possibilities of my getting to hang out with Don & Walt in such circumstances are quite snowball-in-hell-like, I look at pieces such as the fan interview as a lovely substitute for same.

Not that I kid myself that any of the above makes any difference or anything. Just felt the need to say it.

Peace out.

/Mam'zelle Daphne Canard

P.S. If I receive any snidely responses to this post from persons using temporary anonymous GB handles, I will, as has become my regular practice, immediately pipe them to the mental equivalent of /dev/null.

I think you're missing the context - FreeCarolyn - of my original complaint, but sure are way late on your flame....

So you're Out of Context, Whiny and Late -

you sure sound like a cheap drummer.

ygk

Ive always gotten the impression that Steely Dan's fanbase was a very intellectual group. Im basing this on the smart lyric content, the non-generic chord progressions that this band is widely known for......However.....

What a bunch of judgmental, non-musical, Blithering idiots
SOME of you people you are!!!!!!

How can you possibly judge CAROLYN LEONHART for not SMILING!!!!!???
.......Did you lose your crack pipe????
Did she ruin your experience of enjoying the MUSIC SD was playing?????????
Some of you have nothing better to do than to sit your fat ass at your computer and type,
"Boy, that Steely Dan sure was good. & Mr. Fagan & Mr. Becker?.. you guys are Gods and I worship you...BUT I'll be damned if that girl didn't SMILE.
Just who does she think she is????"
YOU ARE FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

I don't think DONALD smiled once either.........
I'll bet HE would have played alot better if he had only curled the ends of his mouth up a little more. Hmmmmmmmm
Damn he really ruined it........How stupid does that sound??
That drummer (Ricky) must have been awsome!!! Did you see how much HE fuckin' smiled?????? Damn he was a good smil.....drummer!!!! YEEHAW!!!
ARE YOU NUTS???!!!!!!!
Please don't tell me this is some sort of 'beautiful-woman-in-the-band' jealousy thing???
Carolyn's non-smiling style is sultry and extremely sexy!!!!!
And THAT is what some of you MUSIC 'critics' can't stand about her..........
HELL....because of her, Im a SD fan now!!!! Of COURSE it's for the wrong reason!!!! but lets face it..... She Is Beautiful!!!!

CAROLYN..... If you need a drummer...... Im cheap!!!

 

Daddy G: Well, um...it depends on what the definition of "2vN" is. The studio CD, probably several days between listenings lately. Now, if you include 2vN songs from the live PBS show (or even Today or VH1), then that's a lot shorter time.

fezo: *Nobody* in Richmond told you about the sheep? I thought you knew, man.

Negative Girl: Welcome to the guestbook. Keep talking sense and you'll get on fine here.

Steely Dan giving straight answers to questions you wouldn't expect them to answer -- find it at http://www.steelydan.com/mojo.html

 

I gotta agree - "no such thing as positive criticism", must be an errant comment; errant considering the source.

If the statement were true, there would be no benefit to a teacher 'criticizing' a student's methodology in thinking through a particular issue; or a piano teacher's 'criticizing' a student's approach to a particular difficult passage, or simply a critical approach to assessing a task under the concept of 'a better way of doing things'.

The positive criticism I've received over the years has most often created a new way of thinking for me which has accounted for the increase in the value of my actions. All criticism isn't positive, yet to say that criticism is inherently negative is naive. Under that latter scenario, 'critical thinking' would be depressing.
Rather, critical thinking seeks to find the best solution based on the values set forth.

enuf

ygk

Alright Norium, you got me. I'll now shut my pompous mouth!
Sometimes I don't realize when I've become an overwhelming BORE.

Sorry all,
Craig

Which, of course, is not to say that sundancing makes it any clearer.

Cloudy place, that Seattle.

Diane, "No such thing as positive criticism!" Where in the world does that tenet come from? What could you possibly imagine we're asking of Fagen & Becker? No one has made any demands of them during this discourse, save continued excellence of craft and mutual respect.
If the latter is beyond their scope to deliver, then Woodward and company have very valid issues.

Also,no one here was totally out of line with their critique of the recent interview.(positve or negative.) According to Pat, varied opinions are what this guestboard so vital. Pat & Jim did a stellar job of coordinating this feature. Once again, I applaud them.

However,, let's not forget who among us was invited to New York for the recent Sony Studio Tapings and who among us has had ocassion to wander backstage and be seen smiling with our beloved duo. Pat & Jim have been well rewarded for their efforts.(As Jim statred in his recent tirade, 'there were inner workings during the interview process, that we-the ugly masses-were not privvy to.)
Actually, I'd be surprised if they're not planning to leverage their 'hard work for the fandom' to their advantage during the upcoming tour.
Hoop's is already down-by-law in saying that he's planning to hang with Pete Fogel during the midwest trifecta. I guarantee few of us will have the well-deserved opportunities they'll be afforded throughout the summer.
These are my opinions. This is not an attack on Jim and Pat. We'll compare photos after the tours.

Craig

hey Claus

I did no ass licking to get myself published

that was Salieri's bag

your friend's Don and Walt don't have to either
yes they do a few interviewS
but not enough to take all the fun out of things

granted the music industry is media oriented and
if you sometimes play by the game they play your opera FOR THAN TWICE

but I still see our beloved DOn and Walt being playful with a critical press and are glad they have done a little promo but still ring true with their elusiveness

bid ado

W.A.Mozart

Yes, Clas, there IS a Santa Claus. And I disrespectfully disagree with your "ass-licking," doom-filled music biz scenario. You too, Dr. Mu. But then, you know that already.

Understand that when I was growing up, Black folk had to sit in the back of the bus, women were virtually imprisoned in their roles as housewives and mothers, hardly anyone admitted to having sex outside the missionary position and you couldn't say "damn" on teevee. Just because a thing is so doesn't mean it stays that way--nor does it mean that thing is right.

Besides, my points are about privacy and certain people's blunt ingratitude in the face of others' hard work.

I don't think I'd get a lot of disagreement from GBers by saying the discourse here has become pretty disgusting of late. Even a historic event--the first-ever Steely Dan fan interview--doesn't seem to be enough to elevate the quality of that from sniping to energetic dialog. I really think about 10 folks here need to peel off that jaded shroud and get back to the basics.

Less kvetching, more kvelling, nu?

love and kisses
diane <-- lugging a sizeable cargo of opinions back home

fezo - Really?? Is that what we did in Richmond? Man, I must have had more wine & chiba than I shoulda.

YGK - Congrats on the CD release! My check's in the mail to you. Can't wait to hear it.

Howard - Any plans to write the tablature for Josie in the near future?

Hutch

Dear Fezo-
Re:
Answer:it's your basic satyrian fete. picture the Miami concert scene in The Doors movie, but with more people and no sheep.

hmmmm... sounds interesting... could you elaborate?

Thanks,
N.G.

wormy, et al.: this has been pointed out before I know, but for the newly dicovered who are jonesing for an iteration of what *could* have been with "the second arrangement", you can hear it here:

http://www.lebarbat.com/Damned.htm

Aja -

I have never heard second arrangement
nor knew nothing of it's existence or history
till the Blazerian Red One and you diverged

glad to hear Steely Damned play it
I'll stay virginal still June
and as always one step one side of loon

as for another AJA
not my intention a cheap plug away
rather another song which used an extendedness and less structure

you wouldn't know a diamond...

wormy-am I interpreting your post to mean you don't know the story behind 2nd A? In any case, you will definitely hear the song from the Steely Damned at the after party-it's one of the staples of their show. And it sounds unbelievable with Hank Easton's guitar! It's really a great tune, very danceable without being disco-like, but nothing like "Aja". I for one hope the boys DON'T try to make another "Aja". I think it'd just fall short, like most things do when you try to recreate magic.

 

Aja

That doesn't mean that I don't think that many of the pencil-necked geek execs. at AOLTimeWarnerTedsgotanewgirlie are more than scum or that the PBS interviewers were not vapid. I do. We have less than pleasant part of our jobs. They've clearly made the best of that with their sense of humor and reticent ways. I would hope that dealing with fans would not be an unpleasant aspect usually to Donald or Walter. I don't believe that to be true...and I think the vast majority here would not dream of imposing on their personal lives.

Daddy G: 2 days

Mr. LaPage & Negative Girl: Could not agree more. This is not a complex concept. Professional life and responsibilities vs. personal life. Do you get it *now* Diane? It doesn't seem so. The professional responsibilities in working for AOL Time-Warner with the perks and risks inherent are substantially different than working for Windham Hill or a small independent label or TAFKAP (why not?). The phrase we have in the world I live in is called Job Description! EOS

Answer: it's your basic satyrian fete. picture the Miami concert scene in The Doors movie, but with more people and no sheep.

Hi everyone... just stumbled on this site for the first time. wow! guess there really is a site for everything!

I agree with Mr. LaPage (i think it was he) that posted about the whole stardom/human issue. Who cares what Fagen & Becker are like in person? it's what they are together (along with the incredible musicians they choose) that is the strange & magic entity we all love.

I was exposed to SD in the '70s as a child. I liked it then, but was completely seduced in my teens... i'm a classical singer and spend my time surrounded by 17th century music. But, every now and then I'll be in a bar or somewhere and SD will come on and suddenly i can't follow the conversation i'm having: I'm filled with an ache - akin to yearning for a lover - and i need to dig out those old recordings and immerse myself in their music for days until it finally subsides.

i guess my point is: who cares if they might be cranky in person? i'm just glad they're both alive, healthy and we're living under the same sky! And i dig the new CD...

Question: what do people do at a DanFest?
xo-Negative Girl

hey Blaze

thanks for the tid bit on 2nd a range meant

are there volumes of Dan unreleased things available on tape or cdr?

I know other bands have had mind boggling things show up on the web or in boot format.

the Zeppelin FBO group, when it used to be vital, had an uproar when a member who was an insider got ahold of a set of unreleased demo tapes from the Physical Graffitti sessions
some of it was total revelation and the tapes were circulated under "Oh My God" and quickly were latched on to by bootleggers

all the dan stuff I have seen is a few 96 shows and all that very early stuff that I assumed wasn't up to par

day by day... those memories fade away

... let's get busy!

St. Al: I've had many a moment like the one you've experienced in the elevator. Have curbed my remarks in recent years, but still share your frustration. Might I suggest for next time:

Guy in elevator: Hey! It's real elevator music in an elevator.
Your clever retort: Hey! The jerkstore called. They're all outta you!

OK, maybe not.

Like many others, I suspect, I've had 2vN on a self-imposed hiatus for a little while. Will pop it in the car for the ride home from work to begin the Memorial Day weekend.
-------------------------------------------------
My question to the GB: What's the longest you've gone since February 29 without listening to at least one track from 2vN? I'll start the bidding. Seven days here.

I can picture the answers they would give:
If we rearranged the 2nd Arrangement, it would imply a third and then it just wouldn't be the 2nd Arrangement anymore, now would it?
And besides that, "stashed in the yellow Jag", after the Kamakiri concept, "I drove the Chrysler", "Daddy Don't drive in that Eldorado no more", "Throw your luggage in the Chevrolet",etc... That would be one car reference too many for one body of work, don't you think?

com post king - That song is not the lenghty opus you crave for. More like the lost third single from Gaucho. Lots of hooks, distinctive melody line, a sure hit if a little more produced, (Horns could complement that driving guitar line)IMHO. Not the worst cut from the Gaucho sessions. Lyrically, speaks well for those that are torn between two lovers, two arrangements. Don't wanna build up your expectations too much. After all, it's unfinished work. Check it out for yourself. The last time I downloaded it, it was on Shino's website (better sound quality than Metzger's, but his are unavailable these days anyway). It's the best unreleased song in my book.

By the way, where's the original erased one? I never came across it.

Sorry St Al, but perceptions are important.

My perception (and I think that of others judging the comments)
is that you were slightly "inside" on this interview venture and
that your pre-interview "promotion" hinted of something more substantial. Maybe this is where some disappointment originates.

Can you see that when you edited the question list, you in effect
became the interviewer. Maybe next time (and I hope there is a
next time) all the questions should be posted first, voted on, and then given to Don & Walt.

By the way I enjoyed this interview very much!

 

 

okay - this worm has only been here since November
so the newbious slimeous has no clueous of the following

second arrangement

any e lab or a shun would be great

is it another Aja? odd signatures and extended epic?
lyrics?
was it ever performed live?

In the Making of Aja video they refer to the title track as an experiment in more extended pieces. They then mention that they quickly went back to more structured songs. Perhaps I can qoute the words directly in the near future

I don't think length alone defines this quality about AJa
as Deacon Blues is long but structured
ditto for West of Hollywood

anyway, any new long excursion would require the space and resolve of a drummer with jazz like chops
Perdy, Bill Bruford (yeah yeah yeah)
(not the driving beat of woh)

oh I would love another "Aja" like piece if the boys ever get around to it
especially if it also has the escape and row manz ella mints
(disfuncitonal is fun, but throw us a wholesome relationship from time to time for reference)

then again let them paint with whatever pallet suites their fancy
let them paint

wormtom

All this fuss about the Dan Fan interview ...

St Al - just be aware that there are plenty of people (including myself) who greatly appreciate the effort made by you and others to do the interview. I had a laugh reading the answers, and (as with every Dan interview) learned just a *few little things* about the band that I didn't know before. That's more or less what I expected, and that's what we got. I'm happy with that!

Re: the 2nd arrangement. True, it's very unlikely they would have given any kind of "definitive answer" to this one. Anyway, don't we know the story already? They have talked about this in the past. My understanding goes something like this:

They had an idea for a song called "The 2nd arrangement". They started recording it for Gaucho. They were very pleased with how it was sounding. A large chunk of the song got wiped accidentally by an engineer. They were very pissed off. They started re-recording it, but the results were nowhere as good as the original (wiped) version. They didn't continue because it just didn't sound good. End of story.

Did I miss anything out?

If you hunt around on the web, you can find audio snippets of both the original version (before it was finished and before it was wiped) as well as the "remake". I tend to agree with Don and Walt. The remake didn't sound as good as the original.

It's not that surprising, after all, that they didn't pursue the remake any further. They are *kind of well known* for setting very high levels of quality control ...

Howard

Steely Dan has realized that they have to be all over Musician Magazines, Internet, TV and videos if they want to survive this time around.

And I still agree with Woodward - "As I said, their brand of humor, as far as interviews are concerned, has lost its edge with me." For example; Who thought the "interview" with Pete Vogel on that Sony Gig was funny? That was a waste of expensive time. They could have had Barney Hoskyns asking some clever questions instead, and it still would have been time left to play another song. "Gaucho" for example.

Diane - do you believe in Santa Claus too? If you're making music and wanne sell it, you have to be in the media. That's the way it is. Even Mozart had to lick asses when he was around.

Cara Mia - wow, is she using that Larry Klein again?

Midnite - yeah, I'd love to have that one. I email you.

Fezo sezo:

==so we're either whiners and detractors or we know where it's
==at?. so if some of us wanted straighter (I'm in the minority
==on this one, incidentally, i thought the responses were pretty
==straight, especially considering the sources) answers from our
==heroes, we're somehow analogized over to the status of Mark
==David Chapman?

This reminds me of that game, Post Office, where one person says one thing and whispers it into the next one's ear, and the phrase is passed around the circle until it gets back to the originator—and it doesn't bear much (if any) resemblance to what was said in the first place.

Fezo, I don't happen to believe Donald and Walter are in public domain. This would probably be a much better discussion if we were sitting down with a few (dozen) beer.

You read much more into what I was saying than I actually said. I'm pretty literal, and there are no hidden suggestions or inferences in what I wrote.

A would-be Woodward wrote:

==I knew that the outcry to my post would be heated. Anyone
==versing a negative take on anything Becker & Fagen do on this
==GB is open target for like response from the other
==contributors.

I didn't take the negative opinions as any sort of affront to W&D. I took them as ingratitude toward St. Al and Hoops. Crabbing about the interview they brought about is tantamount to insulting the cook because you don't care for the main course.

As the Innocent One recently reminded us: "you wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand." Out of the mouth of babes, eh?

Woody also wrote:

==I'll match you 'whim for whim' on formal education, writing
==portfolio and Steely Dan knowledge.>>

Who let my sister in here? Why do I suddenly feel like I'm at a family reunion, being one-upped by that snooty, college-educated, social-climbing cretin? Is this some kind of competition? If so, perhaps I'll pull out all the stops. Your place or mine?

Bobby went on to observe oh-so astutely:

==It's obvious through slow concert-ticket sales and less than-
==stellar 2vN unit sales by Steely Dan that there are a number
==of people in this country who do not appreciate this musical
==juggernaut that is The Dan. They should pander to their
==fanbase a bit. It's shrinking.

Yeah, I agree with you here, but tell THEM directly. Don't complain about the work Pat and Jim did just because you're finding this band unwisely and unnecessarily aloof.

Best of all, That Famous Investigative Journalist asked the unasked question:

==Perhaps a question like........"Why are you two guys such
==pricks?!

Now THAT would have been a really good question. Sorry you didn't ask it!

Then, cara mia wrote:

==If privacy was so important to the glitterati in general, they
==would not be supporting an army of publicists and agency reps
==[…] in our culture of buy and sell, anyone putting an
==entertainment" product out there for consumption most likely
==needs to buck up to the publicity machine.

The number one job of a publicist is to act as a buffer between the artist and the outside world. PR machines usually allow only infinitesimal artist input. However, possession of either or both of these things is not a tacit invitation to strangers (fans and otherwise) to conduct interviews and demand answers to questions. Sometimes, just the opposite is true.

I agreed with Mr. LaPage when he wrote: "Woodward and friends have valid points..."

...insofar as it comes to Steely Dan, but not in the way Pat and Jim were steam-rollered. I'd like to know, for instance, where the fuck the Gaucho remaster is. I've complained largely about this on the newsgroup. It was promised, a delivery date was set, and no Gaucho. Not only that, but there's been NO public explanation for the delay. I think that's just rude.

Earlier, DrMu asserted:

==No one is above fair and constuctive criticism...

In my opinion, there's no such thing as "constructive" criticism.

DrMu retorted:

==Interviews ARE part of the territory - what's with the
==interpretation that we'll be invading their private lives???
==This negates your point completely. Doing interviews, but NOT
==anwering the door to rapid fans, IS part of the industry and
==territory for an artist on a major label. You may like or not
==but that fact still remains.

What world do you live in, Dr. Mu? Just because paparazzi can dog celebs with heat-seeking cameras on motorbikes and take long-lens shots of the famous and the naked in their backyards, just because it's hard to get money out of the National Enquirer (sp.) when a "star" is libeled, just because the pollsters have us convinced that everyone watches the tabloid shows and reads the tabloid rags doesn't mean "that's the way it is... and that's a FACT!" I say bullshit.

I've been alive almost 49 years now and I've never been so ashamed to be "part of the culture" as I am these days. You can't compare the actions of a politician or a sports celebrity with the inactions of certain reclusive writers or musicians (and stretch that argument as far as you like). I can't say more without spinning off onto another topic, so email me if you want to argue about it.

Non-sequituriously, weird-ass Norium wrote:

==Goddam sanctimonious women, all of a sudden a mouthpiece for
==gratitude and joy, of all things -- as if such sanctimony
==weren't the clearest and ugliest objection to them.

"Thanks, folks, I'll be here all week… try the veal!" Seriously, Nor, where are you performing this week?

I'll let a famous "last words" freak have the last word here:

DECEMBER 2, 1996. MONDAY
Enemy have two notable weaknesses:
1. No sense of humor. They simply don't get it.
2. They totally lack understanding of magic, and being totally oriented toward control, what they don't understand is a menace, to be destroyed by any means—consequently they tip their hand. They don't seem to care anymore—but famous last words: "We've got it made."
...Deadly by the logic of fiction.
...Any case, they tend to overplay a hand. Ninety-nine percent bilious weasels.
It's slappable—
[excerpted from LAST WORDS: The final
journals of William S. Burroughs (Grove
Press © 2000).]

Dig it... I'm listed in the acknowledgements... hee hee hee....

love and kisses
diane

AP Story on Steely Dan

http://www.newsday.com/ap/entertainment/ap151.htm

Re: Stars as Humans

Does anyone remember the Doonsbury cartoon of Frank Sinatra's "Greatest "Hits"" ? The panels go on to depict Frank busting all these people in the face. Like Sammy Davis, various other Las Vegas/Rat Pack/Mob cats. At least D&W haven't hit anyone....yet. I have this thing laminated on a cork board at work along with the clipping about two women killing another woman to steal her money so they could go to the Grand Ole Opry and take Reba McEntire hostage. Because they luvved her soooo much. True story.

I would just like to suggest tonight, amidst, hopefully subsequent to, all this amazing discussion about D&W dissing and dismissing the TRUE FANS and adding insult to injury so to speak...Yes, I would like to suggest that, if you were hangin' wit' da' boyz and their likewise posse, that this is probably the WAY THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME. They are natural wiseacres, smartasses, not the kind where you want to wait their table. They COULD be nicer, less sarcastic, BUT THEY AIN'T. That makes them Steely Dan. This is nothing new. They don't owe me dick, the charmer, Miss Manners, nothin'. They provide the music, I provide the bread. They have never failed me musically. If the yucks are funny, I grin along. If not, I do like Aja says: Take it for WHAT IT's WORTH. These guys throw back and forth more shit than a circus elephant, but I think I could hang with 'em. At least apprentice. Like Brown Belt level, maybe.

StAl: I've heard of "tree huggers" but "root huggers"? Please don't elaborate. I'm a visual person.

I find their lack of congeniality with fans and general public refreshing. Remember folks it's not about mid-drift.
Some wish they'd pander and love us like Bill Clinton and Veep Gore.

Surely, it would be fun to share some fine Columbian with them and perhaps appreciate Dylan for the first time,
though I think Bill Evans Trio '65 would stir a deep mystical soul synergy.

Speaking of which...Gaslighting Abbie continues to disorient me very, very loud, (deep in the street in my '59 Morgan). The funk figure and Tofani solo is a trip. My little Lena, 6, wanted to know what they were saying; "flame is the game" chorus in particular.

dlee doesn't miss Larry Carlton, or Tom Scott.
SD rekindled their best rooted sounds/style.
DF-jazz vocalist of the year/WB-guitarist of the year
2VN, again, is s'more heaven on earth.

la la la di da

You guys are hilarious.

the interview. just kinda shake it and chuckle.

yeah, many good books (gb afterall) .. same authors, lots of new meat with super secret sauce that keeps ya coming back.

moody bastards.

RE: Stars as Humans
There's a lengthy list of artists throughout the ages who were terribly gifted at their craft but were actually pretty awful when it came to social graces. To name a few:

Shakespeare
Michelangelo
Van Gogh
Nietsche
Faulkner
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Mailer
Burroughs
Capote
Sinatra
Jerry Lewis
Babs Striesand
Dustin Hoffman

I've got war-stories and anecdotes about each and every one of these artistic geniuses. I'm certain you can each add several names to this list. It's in no way comprehensive.

I would have to say, knowing what I know about Donald Fagen that he belongs on a place of honor in the aformentioned list.(I've heard some distubing stories.) He truly is not a very 'likeable' dude. He's cranky, cantankerous and downright ornery. Gawd forbid anyone asks for an autograph!

Walter has a few socially redeeming qualities. I won't go there.
Perhaps a few of the chosen, like Fogel or Hoops would care to enlighten us. I think not.

I don't need to know, like or quantify these guys as people much less friends. I like their music. They provide a product; I buy it. As for 'entitlement'; forget it. They gave us one album of original music in twenty years, two or three tours in a quarter century and absolutley no straight answers in thirty. Why break up the no-hitter now? We come coming back for more. In light of all this, I feel we've been an extremely loyal, tolerant and patient fanbase. (Becker graciously points this out in his nod to us in the 2vN liner.)

However; I feel strongly that they could be a bit more accommodating and pleasant to the fandom as far as communication is concerned. It certainly wouldn't hurt. I guess I agree with the poster who stated that what was acceptable behavior by the boys 20 years ago has gotten alittle weary now that I'm on the far side of 40. (Expecting honest answers to a few questions is hardly more than they're CAPABLE of as Diane cites in her viable argument.)

I do have a working knowledge of fame and stardom. I am the vice president of operations at a large alpine resort owned by a very respected actor and director and we play host to an array of actors, musicians and movie VIPS at out annual film festival. I've met countless "stars" (for lack of a better term) during my tenure here.

IMHO,social grace, humility, humor and intelligence are never out of style. They're qualities that (save for their craft)set extraordinary people apart from the masses. e.g. Jimmy Stewart, Steven Spielberg, Jon Voight, John Irving, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Celine Dion, Greg Peck, Jack Lemmon, Billy Wilder.......

Now I realize I'm in for a barrage. Come on, take your shots. I'll duck when nesessary.

Craig

D&W give interviews the way a Chevy dealership fixes cars..
Anybody can express themselves artistically in small places without much attention.. They wanted stardom & they got it..
If they want to treat the (probably) million or so fans who made them rich & famous like idiots.. that's their decision, and it speaks for itself.. If they want to add to the sum total of cynicism and contempt the world has already, c'est la vie..

Attention LA dwellers.. July 13th at the Santa Monica Pier, there is a FREE show featuring 2 pretty interesting bands..
Quicksilver, featuring the World Class guitar work of Gary Duncan and the keyboards of Aja mixing engineer Michael Lewis, with old Sly drummer Gregg Errico.. And the Robby Krieger Band, former guitarist with The Doors, who was one Excellent guitarist in his own right..

And then burgers at Cora's! Yummy good stuff!

blazer rouge- Thank you! you Rule!
Midnight-thanks for the MP3 site. I'm always looking for some steely MP3s but i can never find them!

if anyone missed the URL earlier and is interested in hearing the songs that were recorded by Guestbook regulars Hutch, YGK, Roy Scam and Midnite Cruiser among others, the URL to download the mp3 files from that nights jam is:

http://www.geocities.com/danfestmusic/

c-ya....MC

Clas....upgrading to a 56k modem would help you speed things up from your current 33.6k modem but it won't be a huge increase. 56k modems are actually limited to 53k under ideal conditions but you're likely to experience a connection between 44k and 50k (my experience anyway). If you have access to a faster connection (cable modem, dsl, isdn, T1, T3, etc.) and the cost isn't too much for the budget I'd highly recommend it. Trouble is, these services vary widely in availability and I have no idea how the availability is in Sweden. At 33.6k (your current modem), you can probably expect a 20-30 minute download time on the larger mp3 files (Red House, Standin' on Shaky Ground, Freeform Jam) and about half that on Judy Ingalls and Crazy Girl. If you really don't want to spend that much time downloading them, drop me an e-mail with your mailing address and I can fix you up with a copy of the DanFest Live @ Valhalla Studios CD. The quality isn't what we had on Technicolor Motorhome but it was great fun and had some stellar moments. Let me know what you'd like to do. When I get off of work Thursday my wife and I will be off a week. We may go to the beach this weekend but I should still have time to burn the CD if you'd like. Looking forward to hearing some more tracks from you and/or Jonas in the future. Loved the stuff I heard last year!

Everybody just take a deep breath and mellow out....drink a beer, smoke a doob, meditate....whatever works for you. Like Hutch said, it's all about the MUSIC!

peace & out for the day....MC

*A*P*P*L*A*U*S*E*
I whole-heartedly agree with Michelle.

Hi! ThereS so much going on i don't know what to say!! So i will say THis: STEELY DAN RULES!

Sorry! Typed that WAY to fast!!!

Hi! ThereS so much going on i don't know what to say!! So i will say THis: STEELY DAN RULES!

Sorry! Typed that WAY to fast!!!

Hi! There so much going on i don't know what to say!! So i will say is: STEELY DAN RULES!

FEZ0: wait....uhh, but then, there'd be no hokies to like....no, wait, i think i got that one.....

i have no problem with others who fail to mention me when handing out kudos about this or any other site of which i contribute graphiqueally. it's only when i'm publicly noticed that i get antsy.

i see where you were going with the comments.... Those who have had the unpleasant experience of actually meeting me will tell you that i focus on that 3 percent of non-ass-kissing to respond [INSERT DANGLING PARTICIPLE HERE}. Compliments are fine but it doesn't make me learn like flat-out frenulum-rending failure. [yeah, ouch.)

ooooh, mixing mondays with turning thirty has gotten me WAY off-whack}

To the provider, thank you very much for the link. When they tour the states, IU'd love to check thosds setlists as well.

Tyhanks

joKer: and nobody likes a hokie who failed reading comprehension.

you pick out the three percent of my post where my head wasn't practically up yours and hoops and st. al's ass with compliments.
look at the entire message and you will hopefully see it wasn't the personal attack your reply indicated you thought it was.

YGK: cool site. i'm getting psyched to hear the final versions of what I earlier heard rough cuts. check will be in the mail at the end of the month.

Mitch: Strayhorn was from Pittsburgh? I should have known that but didn't. Do you know what part? My Dad grew up there and I still have family in the area.

Dr. Mu-while you're here, what exactly does an exercise physiologist do, and what population do they work with? Is this primarily a research field or do they work with patients? You can reply to me directly so we don't bore the danfans: lzirino@lmbh.com Thanks!

Obligatory Steely Dan related item: the interview was what I expected from Fagen and Becker. I say enjoy it for what it's worth.

Aja

Diane: With all due respect, either you do not understand or are a reporter, extrapolating on the facts presented again below. It's not even "out of context", it's simply misreading the posts. Interviews ARE part of the territory - what's with the interpretation that we'll be invading their private lives??? This negates your point completely. Doing interviews, but NOT anwering the door to rapid fans, IS part of the industry and territory for an artist on a major label. You may like or not but that fact still remains. Read my earlier posts please - I don't really have a gripe with the outcome. I wanted clarification of the process and StAl provided it and that's that...

Clas Sez: "StAl - I agree with Woodward, but I aint no lemon. No grape either. I hardly didn't see any interviews with Steely Dan during the 70s and 80s, I hardly knew the look of the guys. So, I don't feel sorry for them, they are in the biz, and interviews goes with the territory."

I said: "Sorry, Clas is correct. Doing interviews comes with the territory. It's no different than ball players being expected to sign autographs. They could dramatically cut down on this expectation by making straight jazz albums for Windham Hill and taking a cut in pay by one or two orders of magnitude - but they haven't... As long as the interviewer/ee doesn't cross the line - fair game on both sides of the aisle."

Diane said: Okay, so let me see if I understand you. A person, incredibly gifted, who wants to express his/her gift (in fact, is compelled to express that gift), whose gift is recognized by a whole bunch of people... that person is tacitly required to assume a trained-monkey persona in the bargain?
I strongly disagree with this attitude of "entitlement" fans and other folks have when it comes to celebrities. It's bad enough that, simply by dint of becoming well-known, one sacrifices one's privacy, legally speaking.
But when so-called fans feel entitled to demand more from an artist than the work he/she puts out, the consumer's perceived rights simply eclipse what the artist ever intended to do--and in some cases, fan demands are much greater than what an artist is even CAPABLE of doing.
I happen to believe people are entitled to privacy, no matter how hard they are shoved into the public eye. I admit I have very strong feelings about this, and that my feelings are out of step with the "I want it and I want it NOW!" mentality"

Thanks for the pointer, Truth...

Smooth jazz doesn't offend me at all, so I might find it interesting.

Although - I didn't realize Warren Hill was on it. I saw him last year opening up for Tom Scott. Yikes, talk about contrast. Warren Hill blows note after note at the top of his lungs and says nothing. Tom Scott steps on stage and gets more emotion out of his axe in the first song than Hill is likely to ever experience...

"worth the price if only for this sentence". That states the book would be worth the price if the sentence wasn't there, which seems to be the opposite of the point you are struggling to make. The phrase should be "worth the price for this sentence alone". Mrs. Turnbull, you should know better.

Happy birthday (59) to Bob Dylan, whose great influence on our favorite duo is no longer even debatable. I guess "four chords" was enough for the Boys to take an interest.

Philip Roth's "The Human Stain" would be worth the price if only for this sentence: "Ninety-eight (1998) in New England was a summer of exquisive warmth and sunshine, in baseball a summer of mythical battle between a home-run god who was white and a home-run god who was brown, and in America the summer of an enormous piety binge, a purity binge when terrorism -- which had replaced communism as the prevailing threat to the country's security -- was succeeded by the spectre of terrorism, and a virile, youthful middle-aged president and a brash, smitten, twenty-one-year-old employee carrying on in the Oval Office like two teenage kids in a parking lot revived America's oldest communal passion, historically perhaps its most treacherous and subversive pleasure: the ecstasy of SANCTIMONY... Her generation is remarkable for the pride it takes in its shallowness." And that's only page 2. Beautifully written and masterfully plotted, with outrageous humor and raging sorrow, "The Human Stain" lacks for nothing.

St. Al;
Did anyone ask the boys who, in fact, carries the largest pecker? If so, would it be an invasion of their privacy? And did they answer? My money is on WB.

FEZO: no one likes a whiny wahoo, sir.

i submitted my question like everyone else. if you don;t like it, you can do that thing with the root over there like St. Al said. Good day.

just because Walt and Don have put out an album and will tour
we must have no critique
am I missing something?

I would be very very upset if nobody attacked my work
in a public form

some criticism may be taken cruely by the artist and has indeed hurt
but many an ill intended critic has spurred on an artist
in a flurry of "I'll show them"

imagine Don and Walt sitting in their underwear
spralled out with a florida room full of mags
coletrane on the hi fi
reading the album reviews to 2aN or even this GB
on a lazy sunday mid day

boxers or briefs?

I'd say Walt in briefs - plain white bvd
and Don in boxers, mid thigh, check pattern

your input? view diff, then give a wiff in a jiff

Dave in FLA room - new songs
I'm game,
name a subject or slant and I'll throw you down some verbage anyday (bergeon@shellus.com)

so Cara Me Ah Mia Moe Ah

when malcomn goes camping
we all know that malcomn tents ;-]

critical schmitical

one of these surely will screen out the sorrow...

Clas: thank you for appreciating my bumpersticker quote.

Wormie: Hejira was great with a samba-like rhythm and Larry Klein
featured on bass (he has never intended to emulate Jaco). Joni introduced him as "my ex, a mad Russian on Prozac".

YGK: GOOD LUCK with sales for your music. I want three copies.
Now that you have me in your adoring fanbase, I demand to know your innermost secrets, your brand of toothpaste, and to have complete access to your time and attention....HAHAHA!
Maybe soon I can open a webpage for devoted Malcolmites. We can call it Wunderground Burrowing...Tom B can be the President. Now everyone, please keep your questions for Wunderguy unique and clever... ;-)

affectionately to all (seriously!),
cara mia

Well spoken Bob and DrMu. Once our boys were "popstars" and talked to us in their, then ironic, now boring and naive way. Well IŽm not 20 anymore and so are not D&W either. Most of us a grown up people and well educated. That doesnŽt make us boring by definition. Maybe weŽre just mature? If youŽre on this board youŽre interested in sharing your "love" to Dans music with others. IŽm at least doesnŽt have any ambition to marry either Don or Walt and I donŽt care if they have a dog or beat up their relatives. If the "hardcores" getŽs the oppurtunity to ask questions, D&W, ought to realize that weŽre not expecting Backstreet boys-like answers and weŽre not a bounch of 13 years old kids. Nothing wrong with either BB or 13 years old kids. Although IŽm not having english as my main language I canŽt see anything in what Bob wrote that blames the stupidity on any other than the boys. Who do they think we are?

Diane; "I happen to believe people are entitled to privacy". Well thatŽs exactly the point. I donŽt care about their drug-use or divorces. ThatŽs personal. What most of us want to know concerns their professional life, what they have showned us in public, and thatŽs probably what Clas means when he says that it comes with the territory.

Edd: see the Web site samsonmusic.com/artists/gardenparty/default.htm
for the track list for that smooth jazz SD tribute.

StAl: I'm sure we all look forward to seeing the full list of questions that were submitted to you, so that we can all make our own judgments on how good your choices were. As I recll, when you first solicited questionss from us, you led us to believe "here's your chance to finally get that burning question answered" or some such teaser, that made me think (and maybe made YOU think?) that somehow this interview MIGHT be different from every other one they've ever done. But whatever.

Bob Woodward: When we meet at one or more of those three SD concerts you are attending, I demand that you tell me who Deep Throat is. After all we have waited long enough. You OWE us a name, fella.

If privacy was so important to the glitterati in general, they would not be supporting an army of publicists and agency reps, having their homes put in Architechtural Digest, their sound studios drooled over in the music rags, and even grotesque stories planted in the National Probes by their own minions.
Not all are guilty of this, but in our culture of buy and sell, anyone putting an "entertainment" product out there for consumption most likely needs to buck up to the publicity machine. Don and Walt do it in a way that is just enough every 10 years or so in order to not kill their careers and yet keep their armors tough with predictably obtuse answers. I think Walter is smart to have a web presence these days and be able to control in the best way his needed connection to others. I am happy they recognize the power of the Net to connect and maybe make it easier for all of us to appreciate one another without spreading germs.

And as far as recluses like Salinger go...I think he is most likely a creepy pedophilic coward determined to not be the focus of unwelcomed scrutiny. So as I don my (ass)bestos suit, and duck for cover from you literary defenders of his twisted stuff, just remember that I am not a member of his fan websites, planting my nasty opinion of him to foment debate and get ball(ha)istic attention for myself.

cara mia

...at least 11 albums released since 1972, is there at least one song that mentions a character or scenario, that served in South east Asia?

How about "Fire in the Hole"

Pat, Thanks for the yeoman effort on the recent Dan interview. The answers could've been more forthcoming but that certainly wasn't your fault.

Woodward and friends have valid points. A few straightforward responses from F&B are hardly cause to make these guys 'slaves of the fandom' and they'd hardly diminish their aloof attitude toward the public, which has been hewn out of solid granite for nigh on 30 years now with a bit of candor.

I for one was not expecting anything more from them than the responses that were provided in this Question & Answer format.
I'm not 'entitled' to anything for my free-choice decision to support their artistry.

As Jackofdays stated, these guys are in it for the music; their craft.

I'm content with that. I came for the music in the first place.

Dear Fellow Dan Fans;

I agree with Jack O' Days wholeheartedly. I don't think people realize all that goes into maintaining a regular Dan Fan Internet service. Just as an example, last night after work, Hoops and I went car shopping all night long. And then at 10 PM, it was time to go home. But not for Hoopsie; after all that, he headed over to his office to put out another edition of the Dandom Digest.

Now Hoops could have this as an automated list-bot thingy with the Digests featuring SPAM like "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests and Girl Scout cookie sale advertisements and all. But he, being the concerned perfectionist Dan Fan is, always wants to make certain that the content flows and is pure of SPAM. Sure that's not every Dan fan's style but for a group of fans that is their choice. And automated lists don't separate spoilers for people either. Did you ever notice how the topics of the digest seem to flow from one to the next in a logical sequence that inspires discussion? That does not happen by accident!

So, being a personal friend of Hoops I know that he spends 60-90 minutes on every digest. (Assuming he doesn't write a piece of his own.) And keep in mind there's been a digest pretty much every day since February and he's been doing the Digest for over SEVEN YEARS! He does this out of love for Steely Dan, for the fandom and for the new people that come in--for all of us. Positive energy! That's an amazing amount of commitment, TIME and effort and it's at his own expense. He doesn't charge a penny to anybody, and although it costs about $100 a month and more to maintain it, he does it out of love.

I would say Hoops' example of high degree of dedication and efforts are similar for Pete and Shari, St. Al and others committed to the fandom and Steely Dan.

I think the questions were totally right on as far as D + W's answers have been and they did not stray from the Steely Dan we know. Furthermore they were hilarious!!!! It was a great, happy, happy read. Afterall, even more than their eight albums, it's the Spirit of The Dan that matters most and that is what is so aptly and beautifully captured in the questions and especially Donald and Walter's always unpredictable answers. What other band would even bother to take time for fans? Other bands would probably think they spent enough time with us. Not them! That's why we are ALL so close to them and each other!!

This is a wonderful, fun thing where we should be celebrating our comradery with each other and Steely Dan.

So in closing, let's concentrate on positive energy and get rid of the negative energy and celebrate the summer and peace and love and rock and roll and jazz with Steely Dan!!!!!!!! It's for our own benefit!

As Donald said, "Keep the faith, baby! We'll see you this summer!"

I can't wait until the Party begins! See you in a week at the enGORGEment Danfest and others Pacific Northwest Danfests!

So love and peace and Steely Dan on Moonflower Street,

Moonflower

It's all about the music... period.

I tried to come up with a question that I thought Walter would appreciate me asking. I purposely tried to ask something that I thought would bring a straight answer. It worked. Of course he could easily have told me that his style was a result of listening to Lester Flatt for many years. You takes your chances.
They are who they are. I doubt that they would appreciate anyone trying to change them into something they aren't. None of us would appreciate a thing like that.
To me it's just that simple

Bob - It's always best to shout when you make really dumb statements. That way you leave no doubt in anyone's mind.

Dan - Funny... no songs about characters from the Gulf War or WWII either. Go figure. Maybe they'll write a song about you one day. I'm sure it will be a big hit.

Thanks to Pat, Jim, et.al. for all your fine work!

Bob W: "Why are you guys such pricks"? LOL!! I love it! Those ARE the questions that should have been asked. I've been reading interviews with these guy for over 20 years and have gotton very few stright answers. I myself, have grown tired of the same old bullshit answers. The music is #1 with me anyway, so who cares. I believe Hoops & St.Al thought since these questions were coming from the "real" fans that things would be different. Well, it wasn't. Good try though. A+ for effort.

Hf

The argument today is whether an Artist owes his fanbase anything.This morning as i awoke it was my decision to logg on to the guestbook, it will be my decision to attend either the Cleveland or Pittsburgh show or not to go at all. Steely Dan ,it seems people love them or hate them, rarely in between. The perception is that D+W could care less what anyone(with the exception of the Hall of Fame)thinks of their music and attitude. I would like to hear one more than one question out of 5 answered straight, but if they choose to treat the media and fanbase as Jaggoffs thats their perogitive, I`m the nitwit that will shell out the Piastros.The only type of music that artists and fans have mutual respect is Country music, and while i may detest the music,i respect the Artists for that reason..Iam not expecting this from these Wisenheimers, just the consistent Jazz Rock fusion we have come to appreciate.

Paul, here is the link

http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/6433/live2000.html

OK - sorry to burst in, but this is a general FYI to all lovers of good music:

"WE'RE ONLINE AND TAKING PRE-ORDERS FOR MID-JUNE"

enter the WUNDerground at:

www.malcolmhunter.com

The EP set features the New York Horns (Chris Anderson, [NYR&S Revue], John Isley & Dan Levine), and new b/g singers (Julia Binet & MK Duffy) on 3 previously unheard of trax from the creators of "WUNDerground Radio" and "Model Prisoner":

WUNDerground Radio - 5 trak EP

"WUNDerground Radio" - 4:25
"Puerto Rican Girlfriend" - 7:32
"Like a Steely Dan Movie" - 9:36
"Model Prisoner" - 5:08
"Dreams of Life" - 4:46

please visit our site, sign-in and order the new disc - music for the steely kind.......

ygk

diane:

so we're either whiners and detractors or we know where it's at?.

so if some of us wanted straighter (I'm in the minority on this one, incidentally, i thought the responses were pretty straight, especially considering the sources) answers from our heroes, we're somehow analogized over to the status of Mark David Chapman?

Doesn't your world view allow for a little grey in the prism?

For example, though I've never met anyone of them, I think St. Al, Hoops, and JoKeR, just from my exposure to their thoughts and talents via the web, are three of the most talented and intelligent folks I "know". But having said that, I could have done without the two self-reverential questions at the end of the Q & A. But hey, it's their party, they can provide whatever entertainment they want; that's their right and I sure as hell am not going to adopt an even more anonymous handle than "fezo" and criticize them for that.

So am I whiner or do I get it?

Desperately searching every web site for the setlists from the Japan dates. Does anyone know here to find the setlists???? Please e-mail me direct if you find it. paul@avn.com. I'll be grateful forever. Thanks

Last week you were honored for a lifetime achievement for Songwriting.In a taped response you said that Dylan was a major influence in your music. I think of Dylan as a 60`s Icon an Artist whose material was quite involved in the social changes that the country was going through.The material of Steely Dan seems to be about individuals, mostly subculture characters such as drug dealers,addicts,pornographers,terrorists,scam artists, and on your latest a guy with a lust for incest.The interviews that you usually give are answered with tongue and cheek humor and i certainly don`t expect serious answers, but ill try anyway. Colrane, Miles and Monk are also major influences to your style, is it a coincidence that your lives have had substance abuse as the characters have had in your songs?I will ask again if you were " Fortunate Son`s " as John Fogerty referred to in not serving in Vietnam?Donald and Walter ,you have
at least 11 albums released since 1972,is there at least one song that mentions a character or scenario, that served in South east Asia? Thanks and congratulations on the Songwriter`s Award.....

Diane, I could speak all day to my side of this argument and YOU wouldn't 'get it.' That doesn't mean you're correct and I'm wrong. I'll match you 'whim for whim' on formal education, writing portfolio and Steely Dan knowledge.
Don't make such sweeping statements and expect me to fall in line simply because it's your take on an issue. Obviously it didn't work on you through my former posts and it's certainly not working through yours. But that's ok, we can write each other off as counter-wing hooeys and say what the heck.
Are you saying that my viewpoint is not welcome here? St. Al is that what you're saying also. For the record, come on and make it formal:
ANYONE HAVING ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT STEELY DAN, SINCE THEY SO MAGNANIMOUSLY GRACED US WITH NEW MUSIC AND A SUMMER TOUR FROM THE BOTTOM OF THEIR ALTRUISTIC HEARTS, IS NOT WELCOME HERE!

Diane, I do agree with you about one thing, these guys SHOULD stick to mucic.

BTW- I spent $18 for their new CD and $85 per ticket to 3 shows. 'I paid at the door.'

*A*P*P*L*A*U*S*E*

I whole-heartedly agree with Diane.

Dr Mu maintains:

"Sorry, Clas is correct. Doing interviews comes with the territory. It's no different than ball players being expected to sign autographs. They could dramatically cut down on this expectation by making straight jazz albums for Windham Hill and taking a cut in pay by one or two orders of magnitude - but they haven't... As long as the interviewer/ee doesn't cross the line - fair game on both sides of the aisle."

Okay, so let me see if I understand you. A person, incredibly gifted, who wants to express his/her gift (in fact, is compelled to express that gift), whose gift is recognized by a whole bunch of people... that person is tacitly required to assume a trained-monkey persona in the bargain?

I strongly disagree with this attitude of "entitlement" fans and other folks have when it comes to celebrities. It's bad enough that, simply by dint of becoming well-known, one sacrifices one's privacy, legally speaking.

But when so-called fans feel entitled to demand more from an artist than the work he/she puts out, the consumer's perceived rights simply eclipse what the artist ever intended to do--and in some cases, fan demands are much greater than what an artist is even CAPABLE of doing.

I happen to believe people are entitled to privacy, no matter how hard they are shoved into the public eye. I admit I have very strong feelings about this, and that my feelings are out of step with the "I want it and I want it NOW!" mentality of modern audiences and consumers.

Clas is wrong; being forced to "meet the fans" doesn't "come with the territory." That territory is assumed, rudely and selfishly, by a breed of fan who'd shoot Andy Warhol or nudge J.D. Salinger deeper into seclusion.

If Don and Walt never gave another interview, that would be entirely their business. What they do, what they think, belongs to them and them only. They gave this interview because Pat was brave enough to approach them about it, and because Pat and Jim have demonstrated a certain affection and quality that created an atmosphere of trust and good humor. And we're the beneficiaries of that--we, the fans are the people who asked the questions and got their peculiar answers.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, for the most part. The people I know on the Guestbook (several of whom I've met in person) know where it's at. They know Steely Dan is just a band. They know the powerful magnetism that draws Steely Dan fans together. Everything else is gravy.

As for whiners and detractors, I could talk all day and you still wouldn't get it, so we now return you to your regular programming....

love and kisses
diane

St. Alfonso, I did not criticize your effort in my recent Woodward & Lemming posts. Not once! I apologize if that's how it was taken. I did differ with your opinion on the end result. It was the Dan's responses to these questions and not your effort or process that I was at odds with.
I knew that the outcry to my post would be heated. Anyone versing a negative take on anything Becker & Fagen do on this GB is open target for like response from the other contributors. So what if I didn't find their answers very funny? As I said, their brand of humor, as far as interviews are concerned, has lost its edge with me.
This shouldn't make me a crybaby. Why must my stance be viewed as 'sour-grapes'? The fact that you call me a crybaby then lends justification to my refering to you as a lemming or blind devotee.
It's obvious through slow concert-ticket sales and less than-stellar 2vN unit sales by Steely Dan that there are a number of people in this country who do not appreciate this musical juggernaut that is The Dan. They should pander to their fanbase a bit. It's shrinking. (Check Gaucho & Aja sales #s VS 2vN #s)
If you did not think, as you stated, that they'd give an honest take to this Q&A, why go through the compilation effort to begin with? As you suggested, we can all review their former articles to glean the same brand of sarcastic humor we so graciously received from the duo in this interview.
I'm sorry that as a group we couldn't come up with a few more interesting and profound questions that would have toggled the intellectual switch of D&W. Perhaps a question like........"Why are you two guys such pricks?!

Hello Everyone-Here I go with another Invisible Post.
St Al & Hoops-The Questions and Answers were just about what I expected.Nothin'like a little Dan related entertainment, I say.
Thanks to both of you...I know you worked a long time on that.
The Pics and Info I've seen lately via the links provided has been Killer. Really whets my Appetite for the Upcoming Show.
Speaking of which, IMHO,The Guys can play any songs they see fit to present to me when I'm fortunate enough to catch them in Tampa this July. They Didn't let me down the 2 previous times I saw them. And I know for a fact that sometimes you record a song that vocally or Musically is just to difficult to pull off live. Especially when you have to sing all the other songs Too. And every freakin' night!

Q in Tampa- Still waiting to hear about any Danfestivities. Did I miss something? I may have deleted the Listbot Cookie. Let Me know Pal.
To Everyone-
Also, I'm thinking about recording a new Song for the Technomotorhome II CD. I'm Thinking it might be Fun to Use the Lyrics from a GB lyricist to Inspire the Music.And it would be a good chance for someone without the "Gear" to get onboard the "Techno" musical train this time around. Any takers? My email is above.

David

Man, are some people dense or am I not spelling this out clear enough?

"I" did not conduct an interview with the band. "YOU" conducted an interview with the band. The choices were made by 3 people. If you don't like these choices you can go hug a root. We did the best we could given all the circumstances. Circumstance many of you aren't privy to.

Blazer -- How do I convince you the decisions were made for a reason? Please understand that I've been doing this for quite sometime and I've gained a pretty good insight to how the band might respond to a particular situation or question. If you think for a moment they would have answered the 2nd Arrangement question with a straightforward answer your wrong, so why even submit it?

To everyone -- Fact is many of the good questions we all would like straight answers to you're likely to see me ski in hell before this happens and I don't ski. GET IT?

If you're dissatisfied with the results of this "interview" and were expecting more you really have a lot to learn about this band.

"Agents of the law,
Luckless pedestrians,
I know you're out there"
gets my vote. lol.

StAl: fair enough

Diane: Sorry, Clas is correct. Doing interviews comes with the territory. It's no different than ball players being expected to sign autographs. They could dramatically cut down on this expectation by making straight jazz albums for Windham Hill and taking a cut in pay by one or two orders of magnitude - but they haven't... As long as the interviewer/ee doesn't cross the line - fair game on both sides of the aisle. I think virtually all of us are appreciative of the work of StAl, Hoops, Shino (check out his midis), Tomas Broberg, etc.

No one is above fair and constuctive criticism if warranted, but we should be certainly aware that this is volunteer work for Hoops, St Al, Oleander, etc. No reason to be bitter. Philosophically, I think that if someone has provided great service *professionally* they are certainly not above criticism or consequences. We have to be careful - this above the fray attitude on the part of the fans is exactly reason Bobby Knight and Bill Clinton got asay with their shit for so long - hero worship and cult of personality. While I don't think this has affected Don and Walt (together they seem to be the same team from years ago in the way the think), it's easy for fans to slip into this mold.

I'm just going to add to Hoops's fine ramblings on Cousin Dupree.
This is a song about the limits of desire. I will leave the freudian point
of view to those so inclined. My take is more inspired by the sociological
implications of this daring ditty.

Levi-Strauss - no, not the well-worn out denim manufacturer, little one - the
father of structuralism in anthropology, considered the ban of incest to be at the core
of all social structures regardless of time and place. While this necessary no-no can vary in scope from
one society to another, it is always there as a cultural building block and
we have, here at the western world, our very own variation (and thank God for that). When the circumstances call for it, like a close-knit, isolated family
living in the depths of nowhere it can even be lifted as History has shown us many times.

What happens when someone points to it in a pop fashion? When the flimsy architecture of our collective soul gets shaken? Well, no matter how catchy it is, it peaks on the singles charts at number thirtysomething
and barely gets any airplay. It's what happens when you try to get people thinking
in this overly repressed age.

Nevertheless, the song refers to a topic we would rather avoid than face head-on. It's the
crush you secretely had on your cousin (or your aunt, uncle or whatever) that your super-ego
handled quickly, suppressing it.

Now Dupree has not quite incorporated the interdiction. Nobody told him he couldn't lust for Janine
nevermind boast about it. He's small town material, part of a "rural narrative", so you'll forgive him.
Janine, on the other hand, is a sexually agressive, well- read bombshell and yes a little bit of a tease
'cause she's aware of Dupree's intentions and readily toys with them.

In a way, that's why in the end they can't talk at all. There's a misunderstanding. Social barriers of
another kind are involved. They are from different social classes under the same roof. While one lusts
and makes no bones about it, the other has to laugh at such a stance and dismiss it as the product of inbreeding.

This is why I love Steely Dan. The balls and integrity, not to mention the musicality. They put out this
song as the first single and wait for the Bible Belts to slap back. They keep The Second Arrangement unfinished
while it could have been a real cash cow, one of their best singles. Who else does such things these days?

And gets his daughter-in-law to add a creepy whistle to the said tune. Amazing.

wait - the Hoops McCann band stuff is highly sought after?
I will gladly sell someone a copy who is really yearning for it
it's a nice piece and all, it's just Dan instrumentalized can border on the jazz fusion cheesy relm
even the Making of Aja stuff without the vocals and with that spiced up relm can sound cheesy
I think Chuck Rainey is the essence of cool
humble, direct, and personable
reminds me alot of another fine sessions bassist
Tony Levin
when you have it and you don't flaunt it
the universe is your oyster
on the counter by your keys..

What tracks are on the "No Static..." CD?

Terrible or not, I suspect this release will come and go quickly, then be sought after the same way the Woody Herman and Hoops McCann stuff is now...

St. Al: I'm with you, scurvy brother. I look to Don + Walt for spiritual elevation through their music and their wit (No I don't think they're gods...I just like the phrase), not by the way they answer fan questions. Any true fan of theirs should expect a clever or smarmy answer when they are asked any question.

If you want some good answers to some really good questions, try Goldmine - The Collector's Record and Compact Disc Marketplace publication - Issue 326 - January 22, 1993. There is a very thorough Q+A which should satisfy any sourpuss seeking real answers. There is also the cover story from Musician Magazine from 1993.

Oh... and... uh... St. Al: What ever happened to my question about George W. Bush? Basically folks, I submitted a question that asked if, in the horrifying event that GWB gets elected, should we expect another sabbatical from Steely Dan?

I must be honest - no way I can can keep up with all of the comments on here.

A small tidbit - we all know about the Me, Myself and Irene soundtrack. Well Nash Kato, formally of the now defunct Urge Overkill is covering Midnight Crusier on that CD but is also coveing Dirty Work on his upcoming album. How many people are covering SD right now - wow.
http://news.excite.com:80/news/uw/000523/entertainment-music-27

VHS of the making of Aja Classic Album thingee to be released July 25:
http://www.billboard.com:80/daily/2000/0523_09.asp

Someone mentioned the No Static At All instrumental jazz CD - it's terrible.

I hope to see some of you at the Gorge in two weeks - wow just two weeks.

and plans for everyone
it's in the white of my eyes

oops

THanks Cara Mia for the Joni scoop
I like that "burned my guitar" gibe
what was Heijira like with oar kiss tra?

StevieD - not only do those social idiots not have a stereo at home they also rarely pay for tickets and think it is their God given right to converse all the way through a concert even during quite piano solo material. The House of Blues in New Orleans has primo seats in the fron tof the balcony that are always reserved for these "corporate" types. They show up very late and talk through the whole show while the rest of us must get there very early and have to stand behind 6' 5" mental giants yelling "rock and roll".

St Al and company - haven't seen the review, but certainly appreciate your great efforts there and in the GB. PLenty of WHine is being pressed right now, sorry but don't let the critical get you down

bumper stickers?

"that ditch out in the valley that they're digging just for me"

"skate a little lower now"

"tonight when I face the dragon"

"throw out the hardware, let's do it right"

"hot lips and retoric don't count much for nothing"

"agents of the law, luckless pedestrians, I know your out there"

"has she finally got to you, are you with me Doctor"?

"this is no one night stand, it's a real occasion"

okay, I'll stop

wormy t

People in elevators are people in elevators. They come and go.
When they dive from the 14th floor, you'll think twice about catching them, that's all.

ST-AL - I never meant to say you people didn't do a great job. I'm aware that this is not your main gig and I'm impressed just for that. I look forward to seeing all the questions posted. Second Arrangement, yeah, i'd like to know. Why was this never put out? Legit question. Sinatra, on the other hand... A Guestbook interview, yeah but let's just hope there's something on cable for Ballah then.

Bob Woodward - yeah, I agree with you.

StAl - I agree with Woodward, but I aint no lemon. No grape either. I hardly didn't see any interviews with Steely Dan during the 70s and 80s, I hardly knew the look of the guys. So, I don't feel sorry for them, they are in the biz, and interviews goes with the territory.

They could be cool and arrogant back in the 70s, but the labels wouldn't go for that today.

Gina - oh Pompe, his name... well, he wouldn't listen when I called him Brutus and... and, I had this Swedish Kings fave dog-name in the back of my mind, "Pompe".

Edd - "I skip any post that I have to translate *from* English *to* English."

Um, sorry Edd, it should be; "I skip any post that I have to translate from "English" to English."

Midnite - 56k's? No, I still have this 33600BPS-shit. Is it time to buy a new modem?

Stevie - "If you can read this you must be Roger Nichols". I like that one.

And Cara Mia - "That Steely Dan... he is so cool". Love it.

C

diane, um, I mean oleander, um I mean diane, so NOW you want to get "serious" huh?... Well, GET SERIOUS!

Goddam sanctimonious women, all of a sudden a mouthpiece for gratitude and joy, of all things -- as if such sanctimony weren't the clearest and ugliest objection to them.

Exhorting gratitude is its refutation in action... Jasmine anyone? The smell of prickly pears?

Clas, you gorgeous hunk of a musclemounted Swede, it should be; "...what is it you are building in here." I hate to be a besserwisser but...

Come visit me!

Cara, it just kills me with these yuppie idiots that don't have a stereo hooked up at home, but buy tickets to these "social events" that to us are musical concerts. If the act doesn't give them the "is that my father mowin' the lawn" sentimental journey, they'll fidget, talk, socialize, see and be seen. Ever notice how these people end up with killer seats too. As if they could care less except for the fact that they are privileged enough to have them. Ballah, have at these people. Don't sugarcoat it or hold back one bit. I promise that I'll read that one.

They should be BOWING AT JONI'S FEET !!!

Hey, and how about one of those travel-type bumperstickers for "LAUGHING PINES" with a few Banyans and Don waving from a Kamakiriad. Perfect for Danfest RV's. Or another for "LAKE NOSTALGIA" with a shot of Don mowing the lawn. Route 5 to Funway West. Or just "DRIVE INTO SPRINGTIME".

BTW, above-mentioned mental rodents are worse at jazz or classical/opera concerts. I inflict on them the "Gaze of Imminent Death" or "Stare of Possible Finking to the Usher". Cell phones that go off during these performances should be instantly confiscated and smashed with cinder blocks.

Actually Dr. Mu I wasn't really directing my post at you specifically. Yours is the type of criticism I expected and is warranted to point. No, it was Bob panty-waste Woodward I was aiming at. Him and a few others that voiced their opinion over the last few months. Fact is there will always be the sour-grapes people.

Another thing I forgot to mention. Had one of those strange Steely Dan moments today. I was in an elevator and Jack Of Speed was playing (no kidding). The elevator was kinda full and I overheard 2 people bashing the band. Some crack like "Hey! It's real elevator music in an elevator." It was one of those odd moments. Should I have spoke up? What should I have said? The ride was so short it would have been awkward for me to say something. Anything like that ever happen to you? You always think of these great retorts after the fact but are speechless when they occur.

Joni said, "I've burned *my* guitar and now wear a bra".

Hi all!

Joni Mitchell was so puurrty, tb (thanks for asking), and sang with the symphony sans guitar the sequence I indicated in my post prior to the concert (her new album in full and symphonic versions of Hejira, Ludwig's Tune, For the Roses, Be Cool, and
Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man"). I heard complaining she is not the folkie icon some of the yuppies expected who have series tickets for that venue, but in all the crowd was polite if not enthused.
Subsequent shows have her saying when asked to play with guitar:
"I've burned by guitar and now wear a bra!"
I took pics of course, but the ones on her site are better in the tour section at www.jonimitchell.com.

We are in for a double night treat for The Dan at Chastain Park in Atlanta. The acoustics are fantastic, the giant magnolia trees are blossoming, and I get to meet Oleander...what could be better?!

Clas--My bumper sticker would say "Drive west on Sunset to the sea" or "Tell everybody that it ain't no drag" or lastly, "That Steely Dan...HE is so cool"

YGK--thanks for the reference in Cyberville. I likes it a lot, and check's in the mail...or maybe after I return from my West Coast foray?

cara mia,
who just read that black minis are a must-have in any chick's wardrobe these days...do you think Don&Walt have influenced fashion trends?...Ha!

It's not often I post to the guestbook, but I feel the need to stick my nose in here.

I would say GBers, in general, are incredibly outspoken and uninhibited in their expressions. Free speech is obviously alive and well here; even opinions post their assholes post regularly.

But the little bit I've seen (and heard about elsewhere) that is critical and/or complaining about the Fan Interview assembled and facilitated through the hard work of Pat and Jim has really got my dander up.

There are certainly questions I'd like to ask and have answered seriously. But that would not happen in any venue. I could write to the Mailbag, query here and/or on the newsgroup or the Dandom Digest, but they would only be as serious as the forum required (or as they felt like being, regardless of forum).

But here, let me get to my point. I'm a fan since 1972. I consider myself a huge fan. And yet, I have not gone beyond the call of duty to the point where I've spent time and money on Internet space to publish a page in tribute to My Heroes. Pat has. Jim has. Oleander, Andy, Tomas, Hans, John G., Pete F., Shino and a dozen others HAVE. In so doing, they went an extra mile (or lightyear) that served multiple blessings-filled purposes. They keep the flame alive. They give us a way to stay connected. They spend hours and hours of time updating, embellishing, scanning, WRITING, for fuck's sake, and who benefits?

We do.

I know enough about the process Pat and Jim went through to make this fan interview happen to be grateful to them beyond expression. I also realize that this is the FIRST ever fan interview, and it was only made possible because the integrity and responsibility demonstrated by Pat and Jim.

If you're not grateful to have been treated to this phenomenon, you need to take a good, hard look at yourself and your incapacity for joy.

Jim and Pat put hours and hours and hours of effort into this. The Steely Dan Fan Interview, conducted for YOUR benefit, has magically appeared--and you were the first ones to hear about it. It was all done for you and for me, whether or not we asked a question formally. And it NEVER would have happened if St. Al and Hoops had not undertaken the task and seen it through.

Walter and Donald are also to be thanked for the often esoteric, almost-always-silly answers to the questions. Can you imagine how boring the interview might have been if they'd played it straight? I was laughing my ass off all the way through.

I'm honored by the efforts of Pat, Jim, Walter and Donald in bringing together this historical feat (or feet). If you feel like raining on St. Al's parade here on the very forum HE provides for you, free of charge, check your karmic account, babies.

Better yet, email me and I'll have a completely serious discussion with you.

I know Pat and Jim have seen it all and couldn't care less about this, but I'd personally like to see some apologies and a little more gratitude here. Either that, or put your money, talents and time where your mouths are and see if you can wrangle a "serious" interview with Messrs. Fagen and Becker.

I love the fandom, but this crabbing is just beneath you.

love and kisses
diane

StAl: We certainly appreciate your hard effort...but ya have ta say that it's a damn good thing they answered the questions, not you!! Their answers were concise and funny...your most recent response on the other hand... Am I wailing, offended, hurt? - I'm afraid not... If you don't agree with my opinion, ce la Dan. If your FINAL answer is that the breadth of the questions generally sucked, then I'll take your word for it... I didn't volunteer to read'em

Thanks. That was cool by me.

Rinsing twice,

SAL

First of all, I'd like to CONTINUE to THANK StAl and Hoops and whoever helped with this daunting project. If some of you continue to WWWAAAHHH because your question wasn't used (that's REALLY IT isn't it), people like the Saint & Hoops may become disgusted with the LACK OF GRATITUDE being exhibited and leave the task to YOU. Why don't you ask them what the position pays.

Bob W.: While I respect your writing, your lack of humor or abundance of expectations in this case are out of proportion. I got virtually exactly what I expected. If the boys had suddenly lost their sophomoric sense of humor I would have been concerned. I can't wait for their autobiography. Hell why don't you do an unauthorized thing. I'm a slut for Dan. I'd buy it slavishly.

Chere: Here I am and I was on a plane with you today. I listened to the Cassandra album today while we sold 4 million copies of Potatohead Bobby, oh er Eminem. Frightening. Listen to StAl about that disturbance. Skies will be clearing tomorrow. The sun WILL shine. These strumpets cannot overcome the JuJu and the pure power of the GB as live dates close in.

Clas: I have put in more thought to the bumpersticker thing than I devoted to my glorious question. You may not believe that by my incredibly obvious suggestions:

Very Obvious: "Is there gas in the cahhh ?"

Less Obvious But Possibly Provoking Gang Attacks:

"Turn that jungle music down...
Just until we get out of town..."

Only the devoted would get:

"If you can read this you must be Roger Nichols"

How many do you need man, I'm just getting warmed up.

I hope I speak for others when I say;

You're absolutely correct in your post.

A new album by the boys gives no one the right to act like a jerk and I for one appreciate your efforts.

While I too was a little disappointed by the responses, we never should have expected anything more. Steely Dan is about FUN and MUSIC. Let's not tarnish their return by second guessing and criticizing those who are trying to share their knowledge and who put in more of an effort than just posting thier complaints.

Some might call this a brown nose but I don't care. There are too many people trying to be nice in thier own way and the rest of you need to Relax.
Thanks St. Al, Hoops, Pete and all the others who have helped make this tour (and these sites) the best ever for all the new & old fans alike.

Peace, G.E.

Let me put it to you another way. There was no fucking way we were going to send them the following questions:

"Why don't you work with Gary Katz anymore?" Or what happened? or a dozen other variations on the "Katz Question"

"Whatever happened to the poor dude who erased Second Arrangement?" Asked before, never answered (at least I've never seen a clear answer).

Or another popular question -- "when are your going to remake The Second Arrangement", or "will we ever see you play it live"

The drumming question was by far the most popular. I'll bet 25 people asked about the drumming on Two Against Nature.

I planned on publishing all 400+ questions sometime in the future, void of e-mail addresses and names. Perhaps then you might understand. When I originally came up with the idea I wanted it to be a more serious project but the fact is it was doomed from the start. We all like to think, as fans, we know this band better than anyone and can ask the tough question, but frankly I didn't see too many...

The point is what you or someone else might have found provocative, decisions (ad hoc) were made to chose the ones we sent them. Is it possible we missed a few nuggets while poring over 400+ questions? Most definitely YES! Did we try to be fair? Absolutely. Do I care if everyone is satisfied. Most definitely NOT. That would have been impossible to achieve.

Regarding the ad hoc thing. We have taken some heat during this process. A few people have actually complained that we are in no position to speak for "true danfans" (some people are just too serious). This was never our intention. Our intention was to allow a forum for all Steely Dan fans to have the ability to submit questions to the band. It would have been very easy for me to approach the band directly with a Under The Banyan Tree interview (not to say they would have agreed) and hogged all the glory, but that has never been my MO.

Lemming -- in fact many of the questions were very serious. I have no control over the way the band chooses to respond.

I don't know about the rest of you, but do you find these people crying about the fact the band didn't respond in a more serious matter as ridiculous as me? BOO FUCKING HOO. Maybe you should take it up with your mommies...

Sorry, but I put a lot of time on this project and though I expected criticism, you too should expect me to tell you to blow it out your ass. And no I'm not looking for people to tell us what a great job we did. I just want people to take it for what it's worth and stop taking Steely Dan so goddamn serious!

Chere -- Hey baby, you should know better than to respond to someone like Ballah. You need to do what I do -- completely ignore it. I don't think I've read a post by this persona in months. And if he/she responds to this, I'll simply scroll right on by. Try it sometime...

Laura- CD now is also really good! I found a CD cheaper there then i did at the store yesterday!!

bored

both ends burning

the midnight oil

to toil in the soil

gee gee CHere,
you mean I can turn that pistachio ice cream switch on and off?
oh la la
well I could give you pointers to try at home
purchase a plastic bedliner, a cheap set of sheets
or use the kitchen counter
you may have to warm the ice cream slightly
use your imagination there

I'll ask again, did don or walt ever attend 80's Laker games at the forum??? I can only imagine their comments to Dianna Cannon (?)

"gee, your younger than you look!"

toodles from the topsoil
green with envy and pistachio... never mine

Laura The Brat-well you aren't really a brat at all! you helped me! thanks for letting me know about Amazon! I will deifinitly try there! I just HATE ordering things from the internet but i will definitly try Amazon! thanks again
I.O.

If you are looking for the other non-SD by W&D try Amazon. I just picked one up there. They tend to be reasonably priced. There are a couple of cheaper places on the web, but considering how long it took to get the Citizen Steely Dan collection from them, versus Amazon, I wouldn't recommend it. I saved $10 bucks but ended up waiting over 10 days for them to ship something that was supposed to be 'in stock'. With Amazon I ordered and it arrived within 4 days, and I am on the left coast. Hope this helps.

If you are looking for the other non-SD by W&D try Amazon. I just picked one up there. They tend to be reasonably priced. There are a couple of cheaper places on the web, but considering how long it took to get the Citizen Steely Dan collection from them, versus Amazon, I wouldn't recommend it. I saved $10 bucks but ended up waiting over 10 days for them to ship something that was supposed to be 'in stock'. With Amazon I ordered and it arrived within 4 days, and I am on the left coast. Hope this helps.

Wormman: I was poking fun/alluding to Gina's ponderence of whether you glowed in the dark or not, and the pistachio flirt switch on and switch off, it WAS steamy, sticky, and dripping. I shall treasure that memory the rest of my married days. Don't trip. I also loved your 60's/70's posting BTW.

Gina: Thanks for recognizing me for what I am and what that posting was. Just tryin to cover a sista's back. AND to vent how tired I am of folks leaving or not Gb-ing as much on a positive vibration because of cack like dat. Dat chile' be wastin' space all da time, and I feel like we are all OVER it. Dats all.

steviedan: I am here where are you?

Souout: You there somewhere? Anywhere? I can almost hear your sparkle but I cannot see your shine. Te strano papi. A tear rolls down her cheek.........

A very TIRED JUJU chile' tonight. - chere

my chere lamour - oops I wouldn't wanna ruin that juju
you have that boyfriend thing going
the ice cream thing - I just happen to really like pistachio

I am not really a tgf, really a very down to earth guy

never used to paint the face, never foresook the human race
but I have went to LA on a dare and I went it alone
and I don't feel like Jesus but I do know Him rather well

Gina - stand your ground and the imballahsull isn't even worth my gutterial proseian drivel

whoever mentioned Ricki Lee Jones - don't miss her tour
she is on piano and acoustic with a standup bassist
and she covered Show Biz Kids at at least 2 shows including the one I attended

for the uninitiated you can try her debut or Pirates or my fave Naked SOngs - stripped down acoustic live album that resonates lovely. She also has a nice DVD live show, can't remember the name but I have it (did she ever do anything with the dan?)

glad the dan never got dragged along in the west coast scene to do that no nukes thing. Being associated with the movie f.m. was bad enough even if it spurred on a cool song

Beatles/Dan - I wasn't calling for a vote, only to compare and contrast their impact on their decade, fun wasn't it???

Cara Mia - how was the Joni show? did she do anything besides the standards? with a band or solo? curious

there's a wide wide world of noble causes
and lovely landscapes to discover
but all I want to do right now is
find another lover

well the danger on the rocks is surely past

or is it?

GoodKingRichard- I agree! Can YOU find them????

I think you should buy Nightfly, Karmakiriad and 11 Tracks of Whack

Richard&kangaroos

I thought of a question for you guys! if you got to pick two songs from each album that Steely Dan has, for them to play at the concert what would you pick??

Can't Buy a Thrill-
1.Reelin' In The Years
2.Do It Again

countdown to ecstasy
1.My Old School
2.Bodhisattva

Pretzel Logic-
1.Rikki Don't Lose That Number
2.Monkey In Your Soul

Katy Lied-
1.Bad Sneakers
2.Black Friday

The Royal Scam-
1.Kid Charlemagne
2.The Royal Scam

Aja-
1.Deacon Blues
2.Home At Last

Gaucho-
1.Babylon Sisters
2.Hey Nineteen

Two Against Nature-
1.Janie Runaway
2.West of Hollywood (VERY HARD CHOICE)

The NightFly
-never heard it :(

KAMAKIRIAD
-never heard it :(

Lemme know what you guys think!!!!

Chere- Hey babe! I'm doing pretty well! I'm looking forward to this 5-day weekend of mine. I get to take Friday off school and we are going to San Felipe!!! Then I get back Monday and on Tuesday I have NO school!! So I'm very excited! As for Katy Lied and pretzel logic, I'm taking them in and I'm very happy to finally have them! I still have to get all of the other ones so I'm looking for those. All the stores are like, well not that many people buy them so we don't order that many. I swear it's a conspiracy against me to stop me from buying all the steely albums! Well thanks for your advice. I hope that you are feeling 100% better!! Talk to you soon!!

…you know the Queen of hearts is always your best bet…

MC- I love the Eagles!

don't you draw the Queen of Diamonds boy, she'll beat you if she's able....

*lol*

....Hey ballah ...we sleep on the floor, so I guess you're stuck in between our yellow Novilon floor and the wooden deck to keep us from the cold...I don't think you would enjoy being there amongst the bedbugs that will certainly think of you as one of them..unless you'd care for a ballahbug jr? I'm sure clas will provide the right bumpersticker to announce the birth of baby ballahbug ...
Who wants to turn this into a real neat jazzed melody?
I think Worm can deliver the words ..

Chere, I hope you're back to your usual firely nicely rhymed U and I for one didn't think of it as ugly ..you got passion girl, either way it goes...

Now we know ballah hides in the shadow while others attend to their GB ....I still have your sting, ballah ..with a little improvisation I might be able to use it for my guitar ...yes...I think it works..cool..now I can make a baby ballahbug birthtune myself ...thank you...

I'm having tea right now and I can see the Sandman already on his way over ...don't you love the calm water of the river ...I cried it myself you know ...
Well ballah ...don't feel bad about your hair ...mine's even worse!
Bye now, Gina

Hey ballah, I choose to usually ignore you because you are not worth the time AT ALL.

NEWSFLASH!! GUESS WHAT? No one here cares to read your disgusting and psychotic RUBBISH on this peaceful GB.

YOU ARE AN INSULT TO YOURSELF AND TO ANYONE ELSE, AND I WILL FOREVER SEND YOU KARMA AND BLESSINGS OF MOVEMENT AND VISION FAR AWAY FROM HERE.

STOP FUCKING AROUND- YOU SUCK, WE KNOW IT SO LEAVE PLEASE.

AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOOUT FUCKING WITH ME- I ONLY HAD TO CHECK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE INSULTED ENOUGH FOLK HERE AND WASTED ENOUGH SPACE.

I AM SURE YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE POWER BEHIND JUJU,IT IS BEST THAT THINGS ARE KEPT THAT WAY. IT TAKES YEARS TO MASTER AND ONLY A FEW ARE CHOSEN BY THE DIETIES. THEY WOULD NEVER SETLE ON A FREAKE LIKE YOU EVEN IN THE DARKEST WINGS. THEY WOULD RATHER A EXCONVICT DECEASED THAN YOU DO DO THEIR BIDDING. THE AFRICAN POWERS ARE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH AS AM I. YOU DON'T WANT A FUCKING PIECE OF ME YOU SCUM.
GO AWAY NOW!!!!!!!!!!
You nasty nasty ZIT on the ass of life.Take your pustuleous ooze to another space to spread your bad karma. It is not appreciated OR wanted here. I will not talk to you anymore, I am just tired of you and your rudeness. I will not answer or take ANY of my time to address you in any way again, but if you are as wise as you think you are, you WILL leave. I am watching you as are others.

I will close with this... just THINK of your karmic debt thus far. 'Tis a shame. what a fucking shame about YOU!
Later.-chere

GET A LIFE AND A CLUE. LEAVE.

MY APOLOGIES TO ALL GB-ERS WHO HAD TO WITNESS THIS UGLY SIDE OF MY PERSONA.

Gina, Why don't you go on off to sleep now girl? I'm waiting there for you. Look deep, deep under you bed. I hiding there and patiently biding my time.

Perhaps a nice relaxing hand of solitaire?

...Like Wormy I'm not going to over extend my welcome, Blazer Rouge and Chere, I'm leaving with your good vibes in mind. Worth the Capitals....

Gina: you asked for a witness? "THAT WOULD BE AN AFFIRMATIVE AMEN!!!!"
Please don't misunderstand, I LOVE LOVE the Beatles just like the rest of us and probably have as much of their music as I do it again... oh uhm er sorry... As I do Steely Dan music, but someone, I think the topsoil dayglow freakazoid ( and I mean freakazoid...My My My the thangs he can do with ice cream!Liek a sex machine...) tom talked about the differences etc and that whole part about "in a Dylan no apologies" way. I agree. I also think it is hard to compare groups. Specially those that posess a style all their own that made them the unique and perfect listen to some and not to others. Nevertheless, at the end of Chere's day? It's the Mother fuckin Dan !!!!!!! Always..... just like coca cola. I am only just really starting to discover Rickie Lee Jones-(shoot me at dawn for not knowing) and my uncle said he had a couple extra copies of her stuff he would bring with him when he comes down from NC steviedan's way to my lil' sisters wedding to her hadjiman prince. He really is a genie in a bottle. And my uncle the starving phenomenal drummer starving artist round steviedan's way is the reason I KNOW the Dan. Bless dat chile' fo dat!!

Q: It was soooo nice talking to you today.Cannot wait to hook up at the show. You are a fucking DOLL!!!!!! Thanks for all of it, today, the tic, the everything. You rock!!! Love you brother!

Steviedan: Miss you, I am sure I'll see a post from you in da wee hours. "I'm not WORRIED!!!" (Spoken just like Dr. King) Cassandra is da bomb. Miles Davis? Oh My GOD!!!!!!! This music is real fucking JAZZ man. She has a great band alll this wierd echo peddle and watery sounds, old bass, funky, then acoustic, then scat like, all this old stuff mixed in wit da new, her words, his music, a tribute indeed. Track 1,2, 5,9,10,11,and 12 are my fav thus far.

To all: Okay I can hardly contain myself about this show. My FIRST STEELY DAN SHOW..... MY FIRST LOVE..... MY REBIRTH!!!

NOW IT"S TIME TO GEL>>>>

As far as THIS chick is concerned, EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING WE CAN GET FROM DONALD AND WALTER IS WORTH MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THIS TOUR ALONE AND THE NEW ALBUM ARE BLESSINGS ENOUGH FOR ME TO NOT "WORRY" (AGAIN SPOKEN LIKE DR. KING IN HIS FAMOUS SPEECH ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN) about what was, is, and was not and is not said. especially during interviews. Staying away from the media's point of view keeps everything raw and natural. And ....all of us guessing.

They are touring and most of us are going,
Right now for the JUJU chile'? NOTHING ELSE EVEN MATTERS!
'Tis ENUFF for ME.
Nuff said- Chere

...Cheers for the DrMU ...your vibe's allright...can't say the same for Ballah...real dark it is, a real sting to the core, now I'm even trembling, have to shake it off ....I won't take it personal, maybe you just have a bad hairday, you're forgiven!!!
Bye, Gina

I should check out the History Channel for knowledge? No wonder you're jealous, little prick.

You would feel so much more at home here:

http://stileproject.com

Now be gone you idiot.

Hey Gina LollaNetherlands, Don't you have a finger to insert in a dike (in mean dyke) somewhere? Like the psycobabble you've been dishing here over the last few days has been soooo edifying.
I just got back from your bohemian corner of the world and I learned a few things: the airports are dirty, the coffes sucks, the food is bland, the women are homely and the men are faggots.
Hans Brinker was a pedophile, VanMeer a necrophile & the Zider Zee's a rank cesspool.
Bobby Woodward.... baby! you wish, you pompous didactic little dick you!
Fagen and Becker are two fucking nazis. They get off on this intellectual liebensraum-shit. Give em' plenty-o-room MoFos!
Keep asking your silly-ass little questions 'wonderkyds.' These two'll give them full shrift just like you so richly deserve.
The history Channels playing the
Churchill Files" this week. Check it out. You ignoramuses may learn something useful.

..Everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion, but my stomach can't bear the hostility harboured by Victoria Iceflow. Cold indeed, it hurts!!! I can't call it a night with this kind of feeling so I'm waiting for something to ease this unease...I guess we can call you a hoolidan...you're lucky it's not the season for furry coats...

StAl: The answers were amusing in the usual sort of way - I found them entertaining...but I have to take you to task on principle. You and Hoops stated clearly that we were to come up with essentially innovative questions - and not the SOS. You did not ask for deliberately goofy questions - though that is usually in the spirit of their dual interviews. Some of us actually spent an entire minute or two arriving at a provocative querie. Some of us asked questions which are not in the current public domain (I'm certain of at least one - and I bet a few or more out of hundreds were as well). Thus it was YOUR decision to throw them the softballs. I'm not angry nor can I really blame the guys for taking a few rips - but simply let the record show that this was an ad hoc decision.

Uh-Oh! Here come all the faithful Danfans lined up one and all to give me what-for for having the gall to be miffed at the recent Fan Interview.

How dare I be so completely out-of-sorts with their Dennis-Milleresque responses. Afterall, these guys are wit and intelligence personified!

And St ALfonso, we've all seen these trite responses from Becker and Fagen many more times than we've seen straight answers from them. OK, so they gave a few by-the-book interviews way back in '77. Big fucking deal. These guys aren't over-interviewed. Not even close! Are you trying to tell me that out of all the questions complied from this eclectic fanbase, only two or three were honest, fresh or inticing enough to warrant a serious play by Steely Dan?

Did anyone catch McCartney at his open-forum on VH1 last year? He managed to answer some of the audiences more basic questions with honesty and humor. Are our guys of a different ilk? Who can be more jaded by media attention than McCartney et.al? He's still managed to maintain his integrity toward his fans. This constant one-upsmanship and self-backslapping by D&W is tiresome.

To hell with this persistent glibness!

VAUGHN MEAGER INDEED!

Mike McDonald did Peg and PL? Holy hoarse throat, what must THAT have been like?

Clas...I'm sorry about Amsterdam, pity, it's not exactly representative for what this country is ...maybe you should try the south, Maastricht ..near Belgium and Germany...the beer is better too ...the traffic here serves your outstanding idea for bumperstickers...what's in a traffic jam after all... and wasn't Pompe your dog??? still don't know where the name came from...

Worm- you must glow in the dark, don't you?

Chere: I've read your Ricki Lee Jones bits and she did the playmystringthang real deep with Chuck E and she's there with SD and some others ...Pirates was the most balanced album in my opinion, The Only Ones ...hm...I even bought Ghostyhead although it wasn't the usual ..but still...it's what she's about, I guess..she also was on the Letterman show once...same story...by coincidence I saw it...

Bob Woodward, I don't wanna go there ...the beauty of this GB is that it has a heart and soul of its own, regardless of the fact that the embodied actual parts don't respond in a way you would personally prefer ..I guess you haven't yet sublimated the words I was glad to find in several comments of the earliest days of this GB ..." for you and me and we understood" ...You must be in real pain to write like you did....
Is there a doctor amongst us ....?

I say bye, three hours before midnight ...time flies when GBeing..
Gina

Deep Throat Woody - I have no problem contributing to the maintenance of their cosy lifestyle. Others enjoy even greater spoils without being as deserving. As far as I'm concerned, I want them fat and giggly if it means we'll be treated to more of the same. We need the music.

Still, I have to wonder if those could really be the best questions you received out of 450. Looking back, I know mine was really lame but it could still measure up to some of those chosen. Knowing the level of most of their fans here, I would be curious to see the ones that were left out.

Bob Woodward

would you really want them to answer you directly?

I kind of like the challenge and fun myself

so much better to be ployful
and I am sure one could analyze many fun ditties under the surface of their evasive answers

wormy

oops over extending my welcome
no more posting for the day

Fezo--I had the good fortune to see a concert in Japan where Cynthia sang Dirty Work. I thought she was great and look forward to a solo project at some point. In all fairness however, she was not the only one on stage who looked like they were having a good time.

I was wondering if you know of any other reviews that mention her.

PS The "Bare Midriff Section" has a new, cool look. Some might event say...sophisticated.

THE JOKE'S ON YOU!

Once again the 'Desperate Duo' foils us with their hackneyed attempt at sophomoric sarcasm and frathouse humor in their response to the recent Steely Dan Fan Interview.

The fact that you stand back and laugh heartily at this mawkish hijinx is testament to your dying devotion to this self-serving tandem.

I'm appalled by their consistently rude behavior! They've got a secret and they're not letting anyone into their clever little clique.

They feel they're too intellectually advanced to give straight answers to your quereies. If you're indeed intersted in "serious answers' as your host St. Alfonso so gamely suggests, pore through the annals of their past interviews. That's where you'll find the gems you search for. Artists this talented and this harried cannot possibly be bothered putting legitimate answers to your well-thought-out questions.

Afterall, you're merely the ones buying their albums, scarfing up their "$79 per" concert tickets, their DVDs and VHSs, their Remasters and Compilations. You're Paying for their chartered GulfStream service and four-star accomadations. What's even more appalling is the fact that Fagen & Becker knew that these questions came from the heart of their loyal fanbase.

St. Alfonso, what if there are some of us who do not "get" this persistent fucking joke? Are we to 'kiss off?" This is the technology-mad millennial age we're living in. The artist/fan relationship is much more interactive, given quality websites like these. It's about time these jokers grew up a bit and showed some respect for the fans who have allowed them to live like Prima Donnas in their palatial digs on the Upper Westside and Maui.

Don't be besotted with blind devotion. You people deserve better than this.

A DEVOTED and INSULTED fan

Ed wrote

"...simm you lare ah tease "

Are you the only one who uses this "creative" spelling schtick?

I skip any post that I have to translate *from* English *to* English.

Anything worth saying is worth at least an attempt at saying well.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
sorry to offend Ed but it's simple phonetics
and not that hard to disc sci furr
try reading it aloud
that's how the wormian alter ego sometimes talks and writes

it allows "creative" (your word) use of words to bolster or allude the reader and the sense of double speak

I'll try not to be as dense as a Joycean Finnegan's Wake Me Up
but like to retain my were me nest purr sun ally tease when possible

tom

why don't we spike it with de lude Dan? ;-]

Clas....unless you have a really fast internet connection it's going to take a while to download each of those mp3 files. Real Player is nice for what it does but I'd recommend you download Winamp
http://www.winamp.com
and install it to play your mp3 files. It seems to be the program of choice for most mp3 fans. If you're on a standard 56k internet connection it's going to take (and this is a guess) about 20-30 minutes to get the larger mp3 files. If you have a faster connection (I have a cable modem here), you should be able to get them in about a minute. I think Winamp and some patience and you'll be able to get the songs. If it still doesn't work, let me know and we'll work something out so you can hear them even if I have to mail you a copy!

JWMalibu....where have you gone? Off boarding or playing Rock 'n' Roll Jeopardy???

Tell me Donald and Walter when you were in college at Bard the War in Vietnam was in full throttle, were either of you drafted, and what if any influence did the War ,or the Politics of the 60`s have in the Songs that you wrote?

in today's (yesterday's?, tomorrow's?, i've never understood this international dateline business) Japan Times, there's an almost frightenly clueless review of one of the shows over there. the headline should have been a hint not to read on, "Steely Dan still rocks, albeit more tastefully"

lowlights of the piece include descriptions of "Aja" and "Gaucho" as "disinfected fusion" and their nowadays sound as "lite jazz" !!!!!!!!

And Cynthia Calhoun is depicted as "the only person onstage who looked like a fan instead of a hired hand"

Fezo: Billy Strayhorn was honored a couple years ago at The Mellon Jazz Festival in Pittsburgh, he was a Burgh native....This year`s headliners are Dianna Krall and Gato Barbieri who will play a free concert at the Point State Park where the 3 rivers meet.....3-9 picnic,park and Jazz.......

Yellow Kid and others -- Here's the deal with the fan interview. No, I don't think the glibness is getting old at all. In fact, I find it quite amusing, as do many others. Think of it this way. You are a celeb. You subject yourself to thousands of interviews and questionnaires over the years, answering the same damn questions over and OVER. Don't you think you may get a little tired of answering the hand on the console question? Especially given the mental capacity of the duo -- that you'd be inclined to goof a bit?

Ok, almost always....

The reality is almost every single "serious" question submitted had already been asked and answered, seriously. Now, don't think for a moment that we still didn't want to include many of these "serious" questions, however, based on our experience with the band we chose not to throw a lot of those at them. We felt confident in the fact they would simply punt them over the fence. Because of this many of the questions we chose had goof written all over them. Yellow Kid states the band has given too few straight interviews. Well, this may be true if you look at the interviews as a single component, however if you look at the body of work, the answer to your question is probably out there. A good place to start is my interview page with the words and music series (including TAN). Another is John G's page with Metal Leg archives.

Sure it would have been nice for the fan interview to be the "definitive" Steely Dan Interview, but you did really think for a moment this would be the case? I mean REALLY? I understand the few who consider this interview disappointing, however, given the circumstances I couldn't have asked for anything better. There are serious answers to serious questions scattered amongst the fluff. And damn funny fluff at that!

For chrissakes this is Steely Dan!

"...simm you lare ah tease "

Are you the only one who uses this "creative" spelling schtick?

I skip any post that I have to translate *from* English *to* English.

Anything worth saying is worth at least an attempt at saying well.

Not to Beatle a point into submission

but a few more simm you lare ah tease

The Beatles were never total virtuoso musicians
they had their chops but were no Clapton or Steve Howe's

The Dan similar - although quite proficient
they brought in others to fioll the pallet

The Beatles dabbled with the studio, with backmasking, multitracking etc

The Dan put the subtle nuances of studio wizardry to great use

The Beatles sang subtlely of social issues and also escape

the Dan used this Dylanesque approach with a no apologies frankness

from Can't Buy Me Love to Can't Buy a Thrill

just what's the difference?

wormy

Last night's award cerimony - black tie event D&W in a black tie - lol:

http://news.excite.com/news/r/000523/05/entertainment-music-steelydan

Ah, my foil the Blazing Rouge responds to the challenge

may I dig deeply into thy responses? good follow the wormtrails in ~ ~ ~

The Beatles had to be a quartet. Which implies:

- There was a relatively potent third songwriter and sometimes even a ridiculous fourth. Steely Dan was essentially the product of a songwriting duo helped by great soloists.

~ ~ ~ imagine Skunk Baxter penning tunes or Dennis Dias singing
most Starkey numbers were L&McC tunes penned for his comic relief and to keep his confidence up, he almost quit at one point
give it to ringo, he'll sing anything
"their gonna put me in the movies..."

~ ~ ~ Harrison's role was more like Entwhistles with the WHO
not enough space around Townsend or L & McC for their songwriting

- They had to deal with Ringo for the drum tracks. The Dan got their choice of Gadd, Porcaro and more.

~ ~ ~ but Ringo was never sampled ;-]
Starr's not a bad drummer, he keeps the beat

~ ~ ~ the beatles did bring in ace studio people like Clapton and Billy Preston and many soloists from the London Philharmonic

- The main songwriting team of the Beatles can never be reunited while the Dan have now been there and done that.

~ ~ ~ one could reunite the Beatles today
only takes 3 loonies and 3 bullets (sick joke sorry)

- The Beatles got famous with silly love songs. The Dan got famous with numbers you couldn't figure out for sure.

~ ~ ~ no no no, they may have started out silly but they honed their craft and even Paul lightweight fluff is excusable as he places some true jems too "Maybe I'm Amazed", "1985", "Venus and Mars"

~ ~ ~ the Beatles had plenty of twists and mysterious lyrics as well

- The Beatles image was marketed to the point of disgust. I'm still trying to make out what Fagen really looks like. It seems to change
from day to day.

~ ~ ~ too too funny

~ ~ ~ Fagen and Becker chose the reclusive side
then again the Beatles had great bits of reclusion in the midst of a major promotion era. Once Epstein died they no longer had a viable voice to keep them in check.

~ ~ ~ Lennon and Harrison certainly disapeared for quite a while after the split

~ ~ ~ thank God Don and Walt didn't have a Yoko hanging around

Midnate - nopp. Can't download the songs. Or lets say I CAN, but the only thing I hear are the first second of the song(s). Then it's fridgin nothing.

What am I doing wrong? I click on the song I choose, then realplayer shows his ugly face, and then; nothing.

C

Hey, I be gone for three days and you post like maniacs... can't possible catch up... what are you BUILDING in here?

Gina - re "I wonder, you Signed Up Strangers out there, can you have SD for breakfast?" No way.

And once, when I visited Amsterdam, I strolled in to one of those Coffee Shops you have there, thought I could get some morning coffee. The girl behind the counter passed me a joint instead and that wasn't funny. I had to drink six beers in order to cut off the edges.

RUBYBaby - ha! That was fun.

You guys - I'm into making some fun (a GBook regular inspired me) Steely Dan bumperstickers. Do you have any ideas? Like;

"Used to be bumper, no it's Bumpus"

or

"Who Makes the Traffic Interesting"

The one who comes up with the funniest; I'll make it and I'll send it to you.

Me and my wife are driving around with, hmm, yes... "Two Against Nature".

See you!

C

PS/ yes, where's JW? Schwinn?

One more difference - Ringo was actually elected to the Hall Of Fame.

The Beatles had to be a quartet. Which implies:

- There was a relatively potent third songwriter and sometimes even a ridiculous fourth. Steely Dan was essentially the product of a songwriting duo helped by great soloists.

- They had to deal with Ringo for the drum tracks. The Dan got their choice of Gadd, Porcaro and more.

- The main songwriting team of the Beatles can never be reunited while the Dan have now been there and done that.

- The Beatles got famous with silly love songs. The Dan got famous with numbers you couldn't figure out for sure.

- The Beatles image was marketed to the point of disgust. I'm still trying to make out what Fagen really looks like. It seems to change from day to day.

.......Screaming bewildered hysterical fainting girls when they play Do it Again etc. etc....?
I don't think so. Can we get a witness ......

twitt- I guess these were pressed on virgin japanese cd stuff...imported from the finest cd stuff quarry in Lisbon....

.i dunno.....mono is magnificent.....and I still listen to shortwave....

As Donald has said in interviews in the past "we never do anything without consulting the Beatle's chronology"!

"Staggering out into the burn of the brain dead dawn" is a great line but somehow incomplete without the killer "To arrive in time to find her gone". I think the Dan's lyrics are as sharp as ever, I really cant think of another band who have not let their lyrics drift over the years. Thats usually the first sign of decline is it not?

was watching the Making of Aja a second time
last night and the analogy came to me

Beatles 60's Steely Dan 70's

the Beatles augmented a pop medium with classical influences

the Dan augmented a pop medium with jazz influences

the Beatles had two core songwriters who pushed the limits on songwriting

ditto dan

the beatles stopped touring and made records that were not geared for the stage and pushed the limits

the dan also although not due to screaming girls and record burning incidents

the beatles had a 5th element who helped to shape their work
George Martin

the dan Gary Katz

the Beatles music for the most part does not sound dated today

dan ditto

the beatles used elaborate album art with clues of their songs

the dan ditto - but who is the walrus?

the beatles worked off of their heros Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly and Little Richard influences in new directions

the dan took thelonius, bird and coletrane to new adventures

the beatles grew weary of each other and broke up at the height of their sucess

the dan - similar

miss anything?

okay boys and girls how about how the Dan and Beatles are different?

wormboy

Yellow one

Japanese reissues heads and shoulders above the remaster series?

my ears don't know where one is going to improve on

could you elaborate?

and I'm one that used to buy Japanese virgin vinyl in the early eighties

no static at all....

almost forgot.....new releases to look out for:

No Static At All-Garden Party----a new compilation of Steely Dan covers, played by a lot of the session guys from the original Steely sessions....produced by Steve Barri of all people, yes the Steve Barri who co-wrote 'Secret Agent Man', yes the Steve Barri who signed Steely Dan in 1971....supposed to be a great album, but I haven't heard it yet, hope it is better then the lame Hoops McCann release

also in limited release: (sorry to all you fans who bought the MCA "remasters" of last year) (and hooray for all of us who didn't)...In Japan all of the Steely Dan albums are to be re-issued in papersleeve editions, they will contain all original artwork, in fact they will look exactly like the original albums (only smaller of course), and the fidelity will definitely be of higher quality than any issue before on CD, they are being distributed by a company known as JTP.....I will keep this board posted when I get more info...but I imagine that they are already out in Japan, probably to coincide with the tour....and they will be expensive.......also the Japanese edition of TvN is out on BMG/Giant...but alas, no new tracks....am also trying to scrounge up 11 Tracks.....but I digress......if Becker is a Yankee fan, does he also read the Wall Street Journal?

Steely Dan are the Gil Hodges of rock......never elected to the Hall of Fame...................think about it...Phil fuckin Rizzuto is in the Hall of Fame, Hodges ain't.....think about it....Steely Dan put out 11 hit singles and 8 Gold albums and are still around, with no dimishment in quality......but I digress....maybe Fagen should shave and/or have his teeth whitened.....maybe they burn shage before every concert...to simulate the smell of really good hash....a few thoughts.....

pretty disappointed in the Steely Dan Q&A session...hasn't the glib-ness gotten a little old.
..it is a shame, but these guys have been around for 28 years and have yet (aside from a 1976 interview in London) to have a relatively serious interview about themselves and their music, the recent Rolling Stone piece was interesting as it gave us some background on both Becker and Fagen's parents'....
..but there is still a mystery as to how Steely Dan actually started and how they were able to connect to the LA jazz scene....I mean it was pretty weird for a pair of anti-social, smart-ass rock band members to being rubbing shoulders with people like Ray Brown, Victor Feldman etc in 1972.....but then again this is all ancient history...and I am sure both Fagen and Becker's memory of those days might be hazy....maybe a Roger Nichols interview might be in order.....blah, blah, blah,, yadah, yadah, yadah.....jeez Becker mentioned Chuck Knoblauch....does this mean he is.......a YANKEE fan!!!

Almost forgot sorry...
WELCOME GINA to the GB. All JUJU in previous posting aimed at you as well, you are a part of US now.
Random avocado note: My beau is Cuban and they eat it in a real simple way but it is great, room temp, sliced neatly with a little olive oil and sprinkle of salt and pepper. Goes great with beans and rice, couscous, veggies. And final note, the Florida Avocados have less fat content than the California ones.
Best way to ripen one? Put in paper bag by itself for a day or so and perfect avocado will reveal itself. Bon appetite!- Mon chere

Steviebaby! I'd NEVER split the GB. Although I must admit I truly MISS our kindred friend Souout. I thought for a moment I detected his writing style in that post from ClemBob a few days back but I dunno. I miss him achingly all the same. Big huge JUJU Thank YOU for Cassandra. It came in the mail today. And oh what a Sweet surprise. I can't get enough. That sista be teachin me how to "Run the Voudou Down". And ALL about Miles Davis. Listen to her. You'll be thankin me! I promise it is worth every second of the time it takes to listen. I been missin you brother! Hard like!! Glad to feel I was missed there. specially from YOU! Love you much brother!One love!

ClemBOB- If you ARE souout, welcome back!!! If not, I REALLY REALLY loved your posting. Especially those last three things on meanings of life. So special that posting was.Inspiration brother! Mad Mad props to ya!

IO: Hows life sweetie? Congrats on your new purchases. My advice? Find out how Katy Lied and the methods and madness behind Pretzel Logic. It is your journey dear, have a fucking BALL!!! With the DAN you simply cannot go wrong. There ARE no wrong turns with the esteemed Don and Walt. Many detours and twists and turns and switchin and shakin" but no wrong turns. I wish you much JUJu style vision in your Steely Dannish...just damn Mannish.... journey. You are in for the ride of yo life chile". Coje este todo! Some o da bes remdies in da worl lie in the DAN. You'll see.

Q: Are you out there sweetie? So sad about Ybor city. Hope that fire has not affected you and yours too much. My beau and I wanted to venture there one day to check out the history and the Dali museum. Huge Cuban History up in flames. What a drag about that. Did you get my e mail? I have not heard from you in e mail or in the real United States Postal Service. Please send a forwarding address so I can send you a propa thank you. Liek it is so in many great nations (tribally speaking).... It is my way.
Love you darlin' and thanks for gracing me that tic! My nephew is like a rumbling thunder and at my heels 24/7 to learn all things Dannish.

Miz Ducky!: Glad to see the ducky up and around, missed you girl!

Ole: I swear I am working on my hot fever dream, I am just inundated with stuff right now and my five day migraine did not improve matters or timespace for me. It is alot of material to disect and translate in JUjU form. Soon as possible I promise.

To all: I have missed you all my beloved spirits on this GB. God Bless this thang and St Al for managing it!

It feels good to be up in and back here.
Okay everyone take a real deep breath.....
deeper than that.....

You ready????....

You just got slammed with a huge instant JUJU karma from your long lost resident juju chile' Chere

I couldn't resist!You are ALL so irresistable! "Tis only fitting to slamm you with outrageous JUJU. Nuff said.-Ree

We got some kool kids on this GB. You bring some youthful perspective to us krusters. Luv ya.

Miz D, I looked really hard at that writer's block question because I've gathered that you write from earlier posts. But your easy-flowing fluid style belied that to me. Don't listen to our demented pop psychiatrists. Write about what you are passionate about, like you do here. You'll be in for the long haul.

Oh where, Oh Chere ?

Last night, forgot to name HOOPS in thanx for his assist on Q&A. Not totally adequate saying "ST AL & "crue"". I'm just glad you guys are you guys knowwattameen.

Listening to Johnny Hodges. Schweet.

Hutch, YGK, et al. Wicked, Wicked Lonestar Roadhouse Blues on Red House. The ghost of Stevie Ray was with you!!

Roy: you'll make a hippie out of me yet - nice unplugged tune!

Robin- That was a cute story! I love reelin' in the years and Aja is probably the best album, in my opinion!!

WELL GUESS WHAT EVERYONE??? I just got home and I bought Katy lied and Pretzel Logic. So I am very excited right now. But I wanted to ask everyone a question. Are there any pointers on listening? And by that I mean are there any certain things that I should pay close attention to?? I really like them but I know that you guys always want others to note things. Kind of a dumb question I know! Thanks anyway!!

The DanFest musical extravaganza is great! I've been here jammin' away--the sounds are even better than I had imagined. More proof that the Richmond DanFest 2000 set the standard for all future gatherings!

Thanks to all of you (especially you, M.C.) for letting us enjoy the grand event vicariously!

Gina: Forgot to mention, I have a friend who spent a year of college in Maastricht--said he loved it and wants to go back again. He had a poster in his office that reminded him of his time there; we spoke of it often.

Innocent One: My first Dan memories? Reelin' hooked me first--the guitar work. Then DIA nailed it. I don't think I realized I was an addict until Aja came out, though. By then it was too late--hooked for life!

Lastly, I finally got the remastered Royal Scam this past weekend. I don't have the original to compare, so I ask the question: Is Donald's last name misspelled on the back of the original as well as the remaster?

Robin

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MP3'S NOW AVAILABLE FOR YOUR LISTENING PLEASURE----->

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FREEFORM JAM (kinda weak....pass)
JUDY INGALLS (BY ROY SCAM....EXCELLENT!)
APPLAUSE (END OF JUDY)
BILL'S INTRO TO RED HOUSE
RED HOUSE (HUTCH LAYS DOWN SOME SMOKIN' BLUES!)
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DON'T MISS THE MUSIC THAT WAS MADE AT DANFEST 2000 IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR!!

THE PICTURE PAGE FROM DANFEST 2000 IS TEMPORARILY DOWN DUE TO GEOCITIES....HOPE YOU ENJOY THE MUSIC!!!

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Midnite Cruiser

Has anyone seen a setlist from the Japan dates yet? I think we should be told. Are they gonna play 'With a Gun'?

t worm t I tom- That's a good song! I'm playing it right now and my dad's like DAMN! That's a 30-year-old song! haha

StevieDan- yeah-Kid rock is strange. I don't mind his songs, well some of them are annoying but anyway, he looks totally crappy. I mean did he not have a lot of time to get ready or something! I guess that for some people that look is cool but he looks strait outs the trailer I'm sorry but I wouldn't ever want a man that looked that way. Does he think it's sexy? I don't know! But yeah SNL is one of my favorite shows. They should have Steely Dan play on there. I was telling someone that the other day so it was funny that you mentioned it. I do have to give Kid rock credit for at least attempting to play an instrument. You will never see *Nsync or Britney do that!!
What do you play?

Gina- I like Bach!

Thanks, Blazer. With that line (as with so many of their lines)
It's full of content, I worked the Graveyard shif for about 10 years and when I was on my way home in the morning the day people
looked brain dead, during the morning commute. Probably because
they were dreading the long day, or perhaps not quite awake yet.
This also lends to the idea of being or should I say belonging
to a different class of people. In the case of our narrator,
The up all night sleep all day (I know what your doing) (sorry
had to slip that James Gang line in there) crowd. But what is the
last thing that that a hungover night druggie wants to do?
Going out right after coming in to the bright light is not
one of them.

I was the Whining stranger.... A fool in love...
With time to kill......

CHI.

Holland Gina - Yes you are absolutely right about the photographic negative angle. There's a ghostly figure of a young girl imprinted on that shot of the frozen core-eyed raindeers in the liner notes. The girl is just taking the negative to be doctored by this friend uptown. Very funny take.

"Staggering out into the burn of the brain dead dawn". That's onr of my favorite lines. It's a description some would give of a sunrise if they had pulled an all-nighter wired, waiting for their negative girl.

The girl is buying the Juju from a doctor friend uptown (Dr.Wu?). One of those crooked ones. Her reptile brain needs to score too. Maybe she'll have some left for him when she comes back down.

My eyes wander from one mindwave to another ...keeping quiet, probably the wisest thing to do..imaginary bubble-gum slowly disappears into the yawn of Pompe, YES, he's in the picture though I still don't know why he's called that ...It's Vinnie C. on drums and there's a Dinahmoehum 2x skating down from Montana ...

It's as easy as pie. They switched envelopes at the drugstore and now they have some negatives belonging to an unknown family instead of shots for their latest cover. Curiosity didn't really kill the cat, so why not peak inside ...an adolescent daughter and her teenage boy-friend were bored and zoomed it out of their system and into daddy's camera ...It was all so innocent ...
You know how a mind can work ...So now one fine youngster became a rolemodel. And a topic some just can't abandon..but it's wise to keep quiet, YAK, I think Pompe needs a Razor.....?

Whatever happened to Josie?

23.20 P.M. Time zone doesn't affect mind zones ...cool!!

Bye, Gina

steviedan and Charmer: you both flatter me! But it's the Charmer who has the right of it--the writer's block question was mine.

Just because I'm prolific on this board (and, ahem, in other areas of life-experience) doesn't mean I'm accomplishing diddly on the somewhat-more-serious writing front. I have five chapters of a novel and a whole buncha stories cooling their heels on my hard disk while I try to figure out what in hell I'm doing with 'em. In fact, I can't figure out if my writings on this GB and in other Dannish venues is a healthy way of taking off the writer-stallout pressure, or yet another way to procrastinate by means of distractions.

Welllll ... at least goofing around with y'all feels good, so that's something, I guess.

But like Donald sez, I only have to wait this puppy out two more years, and then ... I can come up with some other means of distraction. :-/

(Or I could dump the current novel idea, and instead write a roman-a-clef about the cultish followers of a strange and mysterious rock band ... oh, wait, I think I did that one already. Haven't sold it either, goddamit.)

Okay, now I really have to get back to work. I may be able to rationalize procrastinating on my own stuff from here to eternity, but here at the Code Mines of Redmond I've got too many bosses to get away with that kinda crap.

/Mam'zelle Canard
laughing at self, thinking perhaps she should consider Walter's advice instead

MU, Oftentimes folks that are under the influence speak about that addiction as if refering to another person. So the things
he does while under the influence, they take on the personification of her. Example She's on the phone somewhere up by Fordham Road. Maybe he (narrator) is trying to score and is
in a territory that he doesn't usually frequent. but the she
(addiction) is there because he wouldn't be there if it was'nt
for the addiction. Think about that line about taking me out to dance with her in the pouring rain. Once again this type of erratic behavior can be likened to one who's addicted. Another
good example is: After she calls I stumble out into the ( I can't
remember the exact verbage sorry) Think of some one who has been on a binge and they're sleeping during the day, but she calls
I need you here. Well guess what? That person will answer no matter what. Why? Because thats the nature of the addiction.

Think about it.

You can try to run but you can't hide from whats inside of you.

CHI.

CHI: Very interesting take. But how do you explain: "she's on the phone" and "she's on the train?" I have trouble with those lines or is she ithe addicted one??

Blazer, You just reminded me of our ole buddy Don American Pie Mclean. For years he would'nt tell anyone what that extremely
long but equally poetic ballad really meant. I think this just helped make that song the subject of discussion and I'm sure
it increased record sales. But just think.... would we have this
cool meeting of minds if D&W weren't so crafty.......

In the night you hide from the madman......
You're longing to be......

CHI.

La Page, Thanks for the nudge. Just wanted to ask Which venue
will you be attending this Plush Summer? It seems like June 24th
is a world away. Nevertheless "I wait I smoke, I stare into my
coke" I really appreciate everyones imput to this GB and as a new
guest It pleases me to know that there are so many Young Innocent
One", KD (although he seems a bit wise for a new school) and old
like myself 30'something' fans who are saturated in The Dan.

One more thing did anyone catch the James Brownish move by DF on
GA? The part where he answers his backup singers Dig it:
"How can you Stop Ladies(Stop) This mighty spitelock check out the work itself, A mix of elegance and function (ladies) Elegance
and function. (Don) THATS RIGHT! Very cool! Very funky!

CHI.

Chi and Mr Child Mole Lester

thanks, yes indeed the drug reference ala cold turkey works only too well

her reptile brain locked down in combat mode indeed

but I have to side with that crimson chevy truck - Red Blazer

there always seems to be a nice on the surface direct narrative
then several underpinned slats to the lyrics

yes I like your spin - the drug binge and attempt at kicking it

I just think the boys play it at several levels

just as those dangers "on the rocks"
could be the sirens call or a margarita

cuervo gold in deed

Most songs work on many levels. The major themes are young(er) girls, drugs and reflections on their work. Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll revisited with a new twist every time. Very often the underlying themes will be hidden by a facade of obvious first-degree storytelling.

In this case, my Rival, you bring to light a fact we want to hide from the kids visiting us on a regular basis. Let's say the narrator is staring into into his soft drink, the original classic one that is.

And it doesn't mean a negative girl can't attract such unconditional LUV either. Both ways to see it are equally valid it seems. And maybe we're all wrong.

Chi, I just did the once-over on Negative Girl with your slant.
IT FITS PERFECTLY!

From her 'white skin' to the 'heat of her cold white flame', to her 'reptillian brain', it works!

Every nuance and phrase fits your discription of "Girl as Monkey."

'It's happening again.
I tell myself it's over and done, amen.'

The addict's requisite morning-after mantra.

the original classic thing-------
more of the same.

Deliciously toxic; indeed.

GREAT INSIGHT FROM A MONKEY WOMAN FROM CHICAGO!

Craig

Worm, You know our heros like to trick us with the lyrics!
Clapton says about Cocaine "She don't lie. we are trained
as males from birth to call our cars She. They also use the
words she and her when refering to a ship. Just putting
a different spin on an otherwise non spinning topic. I have
read oleanders view about the record company and I agree fully
with the timing and the implications of TBTLo. I also thought
it was cool how the "Turn up the eagles" in Everything you did
was allegedly a shot at the group who was being more heavily
marketed by the same tight assed record company. Very clever
indeed.

"Just give fair warning anytime you come around.......

CHI.

ygk

fezo:
watch them run
watch them fly
and the Knicks will still get by!

with a plod or two
when able

Knicks in six

(putting my pom-poms away)

gyk

Gina - funny, Lubricant Steely Dan
yes, I love taking ear blotters
welcome aboard

Chi Rival - TBTLO, I certainly see the hustler angle on the song
more in trolling for scraps of food
but still think it's an analogy for their songs and songwriting
tact poise and reason and gently squeeze them

Now Daddy G - young gals? or perhaps all gals
but why throw back the little ones? unless they are grossly underage? don't be too exclusive in your trolling

and don't use me for bait!

Chi - damn, the drug slant on neg girl
well a gal can certainly be a bad addiction
and as Ferry used to croon "Love is the drug"

on Hoops McCann. Could the mid 80's Lakers burn this years team?
and were Don and Walt ever seen at games in the Forum?
I thought one of them was a big Knicks fan

the original classic game, more of the same

I have a new nominee for saddest song, "Blood Count", written by Ellington's long-time collabarator Billy Strayhorn as he faced impending death, and recorded by the band shortly after his demise as part of the tribute LP "And His Mother Called Him Bill", the tune--especially the signature saxaphone riff--has barely left my head since I first heard it Friday night, even inhabitating my dreams.

YGK: I hope the Knicks beat the Pacers because I think the Lakers would totally embarass Bird's team in the championship series and I don't want that to be Larry's swan song BUT how the Knicks let the Heat take them to seven games is beyond me. The Heat were very beat up and the Knicks had much superior talent with the likes of Sprewell and Cambys; they should have breezed, if the coach had just let them run. So my prediction is Van Gundy will pull them down again and the Pacers will win in six

La Page, I would like to say that my spin on TBTLO could be
just an overall vision of life from a hustlers prespective.
Keeping in tune with YGT and YGT II and DO IT AGAIN there was
this whole gambling theme, while it can also fit any type of
person who hustles others. Also on NEG Girl i was wondering if
anyone has considered that the Negative girl could be a metaphor
for Drug addiction? The next time you listen to the song keep in
mind someone in the grips of addiction and see if the lightbulb
lights.

Im way deep into nothing special....

CHI.

I quote: " ps Who is Mr LaPage anyway?" on Sept 23 1995, GB in a comment by someone named Smitty ...Hostile or annoyed or totally blown apart, it doesn't really matter now..but ain't it worth something?

While in Lisbon I bought the translated version of Fernando Pessoa's book Livro do Desassosego ..The Book of Disquietude..
I'm not sure if it's available in the USA, but just in case, here's some more info:
Carcanet Press Limited
Conavon Court
12-16 Blackfriars Street
Manchester M3 5BQ

ISBN 1 85754 301 7

Reading a book like this while having LSD( Lubricant Steely Dan) ....I'm waiting for the right time to do so!

Almost time for dinner. We're having gado gado, cooked rice with a variety of almost raw vegetables and peanutsauce(? don't know any other word)..It's from Asia....healthy....hm...

And Hutch..thanks for your welcome...I'm loyal when committed!

Anymore nice recipes with ...avocado?

Bye now, Gina

Craig, Wormy:

I don't know why it always falls to me to explain the "dirty old man" songs. Sigh.

OK, IMHO re; "Throw Back the Little Ones" is about trolling for young (but not too young) girls. Think of the line, "use tact, poise, and reason ... and gently squeeze them." Now flash forward to Our Hero in "Janie Runaway." This character is running the same game with Janie. He's using tact, poise and reason, and gently "putting the squeeze" on her, by dangling the promise of a birthday in Spain. Ever see how fish are caught by hand? It requires a great deal of patience. You have to lay your hand in the stream and keep it still until the fish "trusts" you. If you try to grab the fish, it will easily slip away. But if you "gently squeeze" the fish, you'll be able to lift him out of the water without the fish ever knowing what happened to him.

Unless I'm totally wrong.

See http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/katylie.htm for previous theories on this.

fezo: it looked to me like LS called time, but let's say he didn't. He was inbounds holding the ball.
They'd need to foul, which it didn't look like they were trying to do - the Heat looked hesitant - a fact frequently mentioned by Mr. Walton.
Anyway, OK, let's say he get's fouled with 1.6 left. Spree makes 1 of 2 = 2 pt margin
Miami gets the ball at half court with 1.6 to inbounds, find a shot, and make it.
Zo won't get it, Hardaway's weak, Carter?.....

Case closed. Same result.

Predictions without your favorite refs?

ygk

Mr LaPage - I love your posts but thinkith
thy stretched too farith here

perhaps TBTLO is about the fairer sex
but me thinkith it's about song writing

you too have hit the wall will gals of non posi purr sway shun
(yes the three step program - purr, sway, shun)
my deepest con dole lense ezz

oops, switch from rejection to Throw Backs (similiar are they not ith?)

TBTLO, the song is at the end of the album and is a little joke on their record company (damn need another song fer filler and contractual obligations)

I like my songs "pan fried"

and if we wanna be re dick you lust
we could conger the little g god "Pan"
the old goat hisself
the Morrocan "devil"

so if a song is Pan Fried...

oops, never mind

then again, all these negative girls remind me of hell
or at least purgatory,
so maybe we are 'on' to something

YGK: if they have the same refs as for the last two games, the Knicks should sweep the Pacers

Tom, in the same theme; remember the line "Throw back the little ones and panfry the big ones. Use tact,poise and reason and gently squeeze them,"?
Could our dynamic duo be referring to meeting potential love interests and casually discarding out-of-hand those minions of the fairer sex whom they find 'wanting' in whatever small way?

The relationship in Negative Girl is an emotional black hole which sucks all life and light into it's gaping vortex if you unwittingly get too curiously close to the event-horizon of it's vacuumous maw.

I myself have been to this movie. It's a real tear-jerker!

Gina, didn't understand your prior missive directed at your's truly. And I missing something???

Sorry about the Wilkes-Barre, PA date. Good luck to all Pocono Danfest folks as you check on "the second arrangment."
Uh-oh, there I go again!

Craig

burn baby burn

the original classic flame

why must the dan protagonists chase women that they know are unsuitable?

well, maybe that's all that's available? or outward enough to their advances that initiating conversation is somewhat made easier

yes us guys hate always having to be the initiators
sorry but an alluring look is not initiation

okay, why chase the gal with the undesireable attitude
maybe they chase beauty over substance?
maybe the gray matter types are too difficult to deal with so somehow those high maintenance, manipulative women are an easy arrangement.
maybe they just wanna get laid, and go for the easy ones with alot of head problems
who knows

I'll do my best topsoilant breakdown on this one later
I've done my self in in this area but now can read all the warning/warming signs a bit more clearly

but still puzzled, knowing the shortcomings and almost breaking free of it, then to come back and burn

danger on the rocks indeed

Wow! And I even got a straight answer!
Thanks to St. Al, Hoops and especially Donald and Walter.
...that's right Roy. Walt and I are having lunch together before the Va. Beach show!

Rhonda - It's certainly been a fond hope of mine that I would somehow get to briefly meet D & W and shake their hands at one of the shows. Of course I know this will never happen, but I can still dream. Welcome to the Guestbook.

Gina - Nice to have you here. I've enjoyed reading your comments.
Stay with us.

SoOut - Come back. I don't care if you come back with another handle. Just come on back. The badgers are gone now.

JWMalibu - Are you alright, man?

Hutch

My first day at work ...had to have the GB "on the side", I fear addiction ...Yes, Blazer Rouge, XTC is worth mentioning, what about classical music, who likes Bach or/and Rachmaninov? Bob Berg, Bob James, Pat Metheny, America and A Horse with no Name ...I do enjoy reading your SD-slangish few-liners ..Nice to find Rob Mounsey on day one of this GB ..

Home at Last really struck lots of fans ...

I liked the parts and excitement about the Letterman Show ..I remember turning on my TV-set, just in time and I didn't know they were going to be on TV, I was stunned at first and real thrilled to see them in a small big band formation, it was magic, those moments are so very special. Real magic ...

Mr La Page should be in some kind of spotlight because he's been in there for the longest time???

Back to work, now. Grrrrr.
Bye, Gina

KD: you da man.....you told me now to worry, and come game time I was calm, except for the last 13.2 seconds....
any predictions about how long it will take the Knicks to head to the finals, when whining reggie and crew go home?

ygk

St. Al & Hoops: You guys never really thought for one "dan minute" that Donald and/or Walter would give "real" answers to the the fans "real" questions, did ya?

I'm glad I picked up my tickets to the second show at Jones Beach now that the Wilkes Barre show is no mas.

I wonder why they just didn't play one night at Madison Square Garden instead of two nights at Jones Beach.

Yes I'll be at the Virgina Beach Danfest! Will Edgar Casey be there as well? I want to talk about future shows.

Hf

Sinatra sings Time Out Of Mind. Interesting.

St-Al - In turn, I have incriminating polaroids of you and... Nevermind.

For the record, Joe Jackson, XTC (Oranges and Lemons won't rot), Elvis good, very good. NSYNC, Brittney, bad, real bad...

KID ROCK = CACA.

Charmer - Don't fuck with my head, OK.

Ducks: I'm gonna guess that you were the one with writer's block? No, that can't be you...you are more prolific than a hutch full of bunnys...

Now where is my old woodburning kit?

-The Charmer
fondly remembering the smoke smell from craft class

Daytime TV talk show hosts. Tag team. Could you see these guys loosed upon the ignorant Tonya Hardings of the world ? Just look how they dispense with their intelligent core following. Was that great or what ?!? Way too short, though. I could have read on for days. Question choices ? Well mine didn't make the cut, that's okay. The ones used were great. Mam'zelle, I'm thinking maybe the St. Aug. query. It implies the supreme Danknowlege I feel you possess. Thanks again ST. AL. and expert team of Danists. Maury ? Rikki ? Sally ? Prepare for the onslaught of Donny & Wally. L-U-V in the afternoon.

SoOut ? Man so are you out there ?

dan were on SNL? or going to be? when when when

is that great erratic sax player coming on tour with them?

love his four ayes into dissonance on T2N and WOH

anbody into StereoLab? they are coming to the wolf wednesday
is this a "don't miss show"?

thank you from the bottom of my e soft a gus

wormy t

oh no Madam La Harra won't do

Hey Roy.Scam -- I resemble that remark! :-)

Pleased to see that my question got included in the Q&A! It's one of the "anonymous" ones--I was having an unacustomed shyness attack that day. Yes, I know it's hard to believe, but I do have shyness attacks. Especially when doing something like risking making a fool of myself in front of D&W. (Why that doesn't restrain my carryings-on in this venue I have no idea, but that's my rationalization and I'm sticking with it.)

Hey, I just had this great idea ... ! I'd be entertained to see which anonymous question y'all think was mine ... heh. Be nice, though--after all, I always try to be.

And yeah, thanks to all and sundry involved with making the Fan Interview happen--including The Guyz (I'm impressed they found the time to do it).

/Mam'zelle Daphne Canard
and no, that's not her final answer

Oh I.O.: Now my life is good, and while being there for a SNL broadcast would be cool, I merely meant that I caught it on TV after coming home from a gig here in NC. The comment about Kid's talent was WAY satire. He is one of those lucky individuals who somehow bypassed open mike night where he would have been let know about his "talent" and was moved to the front of the mega-stuperstar (no sic) waiting area. Amazingly Trey from Phish joined him for his second tune. Kid let the midget take a break and did his "unplugged-Lynyrd-Skynyrd-three-chord-I-can-really-play-boring-music" number. I'll bet all the other members of Phish were back at the compound, time out of mind, videotaping and falling out on the floor. An apex in their career.

Tastemakers All: Mister Jackson eh ? You guys are so consistent in your collective tastes I'm going to nod a knot in my neck. I love 'em all but Big World was so incredible an opus. Out of print in the USofA. Ditto Willpower the instrumental album. Both available as imports from Europe & Japan respectively.

Time is fleeting, and being that the fabulous STAL has posted what could be the Grail of Dandom for the faithful. I am on my way to look for my question and all of yours. I may not make it to work tomorrow. I feel just like a little girl. Now is the time on Sprockets when we shut up and read. All vittles same.

St.Al,etc.: Thanks for the Q & A interview. Good idea. Good execution. More amusing than enlightening, but then, that's the way life's supposed to be ,isn't it? -- For those of you too young to know who Vaughan Meader is, tough shit; there oughtta be some advantage to being old.

Hutch: Does this qualify you to say that you've now spoken directly with D & W?

Huge Fan (May we call you Huge, for short?): There will be some partying before the Va Beach show. Will we meet you there? [rmoats@aol.com].

YGK, Cruiser, Hutch, fezo: Thanks for the kind words and for the good times at the Richmond Danfest. If living well is the best revenge (and I think it is), then we definitely kicked some ass and got even THAT weekend.

Anxiously awaiting the Wierd Al rendition of "Message In a Bottle" (I suggest calling it "Message in a BMW")

RS

Regarding the whole Joe Jackson thread: I own 7 Joe albums and now his latest. King of The World really put a new spin on that one for me and has allowed me to appreciate it in a new way. I think it's Joe's acoustic piano playing where it was electronic on the CTE album...Joe's piano creates this image of an apocalyptic skeleton playing a rickety upright piano. Really great interprtetion that does something new for me.

I see the commonalities...Jazz influences, attitude, craftsmanship, facination with NYC, very literate, etc. But if Steely Dan is Zappa on ludes, then Joe Jackson is to take SD and give it extra intensity and a dose of speed. King of the World has that intensity and speed and that's why I think Joe is great on it. Myself, as someone with bouts of intensity and speed, I am not always up for Joe's stuff. But when I am on a Joe roll, I love his stuff to pieces and I always come back for more, although not always right away.

Hutch and Daddy G - yes Elvis Costello and JOe Jackson
(I love Body and Soul and Night and Day, he lost me a bit after that though) Gram Parker kicks too(squeezing out the sparks), anyone like Nick Lowe from the same period? these guys all have that biting irony and hook for pop songs and us worms love hooks, that's how we move up in the world - from lowly topsoil to main attraction

and if you like irony and fire get John Cale's Island Compilation and thank me later Fear, Helen OF Troy and Guts all on two cd's!!! This man, more than Lou or Iggy laid the framework for what was to come!

Aja - how about Carolyn's lap, whoever she is (a background singer), yes one can pronounce these, except maybe the last one

HugeFan - Caves to Royal Scam with one beat of silence,
I'm with you buddy on this one!

Hotlips - a warm wormy welcome to you

Innocent Michelle - lets see, first dan song was Reelin
first Dan experience wasn't far off - Show Biz Kids was a revelation - wow, social conscience, irony and drive
enough for me!

RazorBoy - hey songs grow on you
I still like WASAM best but JR, AG, NG and WOH have grown alot on me

less than three weeks - S A N D I E G O BOOKEM D A N N O!

don't you love point blanke?

sooutrageous: um, about my recent e-mail...never mind. No Wilkes-Barre concert -- now what? Damn...

A couple of moments from the past...

Summer of '76, I was working the all-night shift at a Frisch's Big Boy near Toledo, Ohio. The dishwasher's radio tuned to some FM station. Every night, the DJ would play either Bodhisattva or My Old School...

Summer of '77 or '78 (hwhaddevah), working the all-night shift at a genuine commercial radio station, for just about the same pay as at the Big Boy. Found a promotional copy 45 of Peg and played it, first in cue, and then, wide-eyed, on the air. Trouble was, the song wasn't in keeping with the station format, and it earned me a chewing out from the boss...

I might have thought that with all this media attention-overseas travel-Katie Couric fantasies-the attention to all the details of
world tour-that the boys might be just a bit addled by it all.

NOPE...

Ed (still laughing out loud) Beatty

Ok, here you go...

The Steely Dan Fan Interview:

http://www.seanet.com/~stalfnzo/q&a.html

StAl

Clas: geat = great

altho "geat" could be a word...

rb

MrLaPage: Your free verse inspired by "Home At Last" is wonderful. I've saved it. I'm especially overwhelmed by the ending. I'll be reading it over & over. I love a good poem more than I can say.

Clas: I put the latest photo of Pompe on the frige. A couple days ago, Gary came over to drink a beer or 2 with Paul and he brought his 2 little ones, ages 4 and 6. John, the 4 year old, took one look at Pompe and exclaimed, "Wow, what a dog! Look at his penis!" Aren't kids geat?

Mock Turtle: No, not better, just different. Live in the moment and you'll totally understand. Whoever attends the concerts with you is one lucky dog.

I saw 2vN in a prominent display at Barnes & Nobles. It was in between Audra McDonald and Macy Gray (her voice gets so on my nerves. MG, that is.) I'm going back this week to purchase several 2vNs to give as gifts. I can't wait to give those to my friends and family!!

rb

i love dan i would even make love to him if i could!!!
http://home.beseen/community/kuene

wow, they did it. Just wish I had the guts to replicate my prediction at my own website.

Rhonda ~ Okay, I'll try to be gentle, but as it is, I'm laughing so hard I can barely type. Regarding the possibility of Donald and Walter (two rather reclusive musicians) coming out into the crowd to shake hands and hob-nob with 10,000 to 20,000 people, well, all I can say is don't get your hopes up, kid.

Hello out there......this is my first time on this particuar site so please be gentle.......I will be seeing the guys this summer in Mansfield, MA. on July 15th. It will be my first time to experience SD LIVE!!!! I'm very excited about this.....my question is to all the people that have seen them before in the past......at the end of the concert do they come out to say hello to the fans that stick around afterwards? I would love the opportunity to express to the guys just how much their music has meant to me over the years. Thanks so much for your input....until July 15th..........

DR. MU- Thetas so cool! I'm still trying to find Can't buy a thrill because I found pretzel logic and Katy lied. So you are making me miss it more!!! :)

Miz Ducky- My dad and I love do it again. My dad was like I’m not going to the concert unless they play do it again because he loves that song. He was kidding though. He talks about how he loves the sitar but he thinks that they are never going to play it live because sitar players are so rare! So I don't know

Blazer Rouge- sorry about that! I can kinda relate because sometimes I just get into those weird moods that you hate to be in. and it's so great because no matter what mood I’m in I can sit down and listen to Steely Dan. So that is very cool! And you certainly can't do that will all music. Just another reason why Steely Rules!!!

Chere- OH! I hope that you feel better! I know how you feel about the head aches...remember?? We talked about that! I love Aja too. When ever I want to talk to my friends about favorite bands (cause they have NO idea who steely Dan is) I pop in Aja and let them listen to a couple of songs and for the most part they are like, oh its not that bad! haha

Mr. LaPage- Oh man! It bums me out that I can't have friends to listen to Steely with. All my friends would rather listen to Britney Spears or *Nsync or whatever! Stupid stuff, for the most part. All of you talk about how you listened to steely with all your friends and I wish that I could do that too. But that’s the disadvantages of knowing what REAL music is!!

SlideStranger- that was an interesting story! Thank you for sharing that memory. It sounds like it would be sad.

Looeez- HOW COOL! When I get my license (which is VERY SOON), I buying a CD cartridge for me (my parents both have CD players in their cars) and loading it all with Steely Dan. So whenever I’m driving I can listen to them! (In case you are wondering, my parents and I made an agreement. I don't want a car this year, I told them that I would rather wait a year to get a better car then get a crappy one this year. So next year my parents want to lease me a Jetta or Passat, I don't like Jettas, I would rather have a Toyota or Tacoma! But I will take any car!! So whenever I get my car I will install a CD player with two 6' and will be BLARING SD!!)

GreenEarings- can’t wait to hear steely Dan in the car when I’m driving!! HOW COOL!! Ahh everytime I hear a steely Dan story about how they heard them in the car I get more and more excited!!

StevieDan- WHAT?!? You went to SNL to see kid rock or what??

Hallo Robbert, even in het Nederlands, wel onbeleefd naar onze Amerikaanse vrienden toe, maar ik vind het een geweldig leuke belevenis hier in het GB! Het voelt anders, niet dat ik ooit in een waar isolement heb verkeerd, maar de mensen in mijn omgeving die net zulk kippenvel kregen van SD en op dezelfde frequentie zaten, waren vrij schaars ...
Jij zit zelfs al in het concertenstadium, hm, zal mijn leven eens danig reorganiseren zodat ik daar wellicht ook eens aan toe kom.
Goed, ik ga weer verder in een voor de Amerikanen begrijpelijke taal. Hoop ik. Groetjes en heb je de archives ook al eens doorgespit, als tijdverdrijf?? Echt leuk!

Sorry, was a bit excited to see another e-mail from Holland. Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, Frank Zappa will be game as well??
And do you know China Crisis ...like Rosie Vela, touched by the sound of SD ...
Todd Rundgren. Can we still be friends ..A dream goes on forever..

Diving into the archives was in a way breathtaking. And it moved me...I'm gonna go back ...
Bye, Gina

Daddy G - That sounds like one of the guitarists removing his left hand from the fretboard at the end of the song. Sometimes your fingers will make the strings squeek a little if you don't take your hand off the neck cleanly. It does sound like the plug's being pulled doesn't it? Maybe they left it in there for that reason. It's something that could have easily been removed from the track so they must have left it in purposely.

I remember when I first started posting about a year ago I asked if anyone was into Elvis Costello. There was a resounding round of silence. That surprised me a lot. When it comes to lyrical irony and intelligently biting word-play Mr. Costello is pure genius. I've been a big fan for as long as he's been putting out albums. And Joe Jackson is another favorite. I'm really anxious to hear his new one. IMO Jackson's stuff is closer to SD than anyone I can think of. It's got that cool jazz thing going but with a great pop sensibility. I saw him in Richmond years ago right after the Night and Day album came out. It was an amazing show. No guitar player at all in his band. His bassist, Graham Maby, who he worked with for many years, was just incredible. He was the driving force instrumentally in the band. I've never seen a bassist impart so much energy and drive to a live performance. And Joe did some killer alto sax solos too.

"You need protection from the physical art of conversation,
Though the fist is mightier than the lip it adds the aggravation.
I got the password, I got persuasion.
A proposition for invasion of your privacy.
Give yourself away and find the fake in me.
You'll never be a man, no matter how many foreign matters you can take.
You'll never be a man, when you're half a woman and you're half awake
With a face full of tears and a chemical shake
Given half a chance that I can take,
Are you so superior, are you in such pain?
Are you made out of porcelain?
When they made you they broke the cast.
Don't wanna be first, I just wanna last."

... from the "Trust" album. E.Costello

Greetings !

I have an extra ticket available for the show at the Gorge, June 3rd. The details: section C, row 19, seat 18 (close to the middle section of the venue). Given that section C of the Gorge has something like 45 rows or so, this is a very decent seat.

Here's the deal for the one who is interested:

I am offering it for $ 70.00 which is BELOW face-value (I paid $ 79.00 + TM charges). The additional TicketMaster charges will also be on me.

Email me if interested: robbert@vansprang.demon.nl

Thanks !

- Robbert

The Joe Jackson/Steely Dan connection continues to amaze me. I know it shouldn't, but it does. I'm also a big Joe fan, along with Elvis Costello and, completing the "Holy Trinity of Angry Young British Rockers," Graham Parker. If you've got GP on vinyl and haven't gotten around to replacing your stuff on CD yet, might I suggest "Passion is No Ordinary Word," a two-CD anthology. 39 tracks, most of them good, many of them great. Check it out at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000332P/o/qid=958928960/sr=2-3/102-3214898-2971221

Makes a great Father's Day gift, plus it slices, dices, and makes thousands of Julienne French Fries!

KD: See e-mail addy, above.

Something's been bugging me about the end of WOH, and I'm hoping one of our resident music/technical folks might be able to help out. Near the very end of WOH, just after the long sax solo, there's this strange sound at 8:12/8:13 that sounds, for lack of a better description, like the plug has been pulled. It's a "disconnecting" kind of sound. Right after this "unplugging" sound occurs, there's are a few residual "bubbles" and then the song is over. It's almost as if the song (or Kid Clean himself) has been taken off life support. Any opinions on this, either from a technical or interpretive perspective?

can anyone out there tell me when gaucho will be re-released?
it was due in feb , it is now almost june. is this some sort
of f-ing joke??????? im really irritated.....

I know I pulled a few peoples legs about Joe Jackson awhile ago, but yesterday I bought his new CD "Summer In The City" with the cover of "King Of The World" on it - great CD. I almost put a copy of "Night And Day" in my cart and I'm sorry I didn't now - I haven't listened to it since I got rid of the turntable over 10 years ago. He is going to release "Night And Day II" this fall. Here is a review of the new album:
http://www.canoe.ca:80/JamMusic/may19_poplife.html

I am truly sorry about the Wilkes-Barre show if it is true - I know a lot of you were psyched - as I would have been if my schedule would have allowed - I spent a lot of time in the Wilkes-Barre area as a child and have great thoughts while driving on I80 going to PSU games in the fall. I always questioned how a big new arena in a "secondary" market could pay. That would be two arenas canceled so far.

It brings me to a bigger question - how are ticket sales going in general? Singles and some doubles are still available in pretty good seats for most of the concerts I'm going to. Is it a lack of advertising? Lack of air time of the new CD on "popular" radio stations?

iannafred: I'm sorry, but I had your number all along. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Blurb from ad on page 4, June 2000 issue of ICE:

Apparently a "real review" excerpt for the album (get this) Smirk by Peter Stanley:

"More snap than a loaded slingshot...why isn't this guy a huge star ? If you are buying the new STEELY DAN or Paul McCartney albums...[Smirk] is as good, if not better..."-Brad Kava, San Jose Mercury News.

I don't know if Brad has listened to either album, they certainly have nothing to do with each other. Maca's latest is a rockabilly return-to-roots affair that I believe he also did about three years ago or sumthin'. And of course the Dan album is....well you KNOW what that is and that's NOT Warmed Over. I don't know if Brad has ever LISTENED to anything. Maybe Peter Stanley is Musical Jesus. Maybe his album is a pop revelation. Smirk....

The album is available on (for real, I couldn't make this up) "Grab Bag" Records

Back from a successful gig and long drive home. Little SNL action with Kid Rock (what a talent this kid is). Now off to the GB to report that the folks were diggin' the 2VN on the breaks and find some of you traipsing down memory lane.

Among other music related behaviors that dotted my early years, I used to sit listening to AM radio for hours. Sometimes I would play along on baritone ukelele or guitar, other times I would jot down the songs that played. WKIX was the station. Ah, for radio like that today...rock and soul together. Happening variety. That night I was jotting down songs, it was a Friday or Saturday. I was lying on the floor on my stomach by the radio. It was late, I was trying not to wake the folks, waiting for Twilight Terror Theater to come on. The DJ put on "Do It Again". I put down the pencil and turned up the radio. The folks woke up. I rode the bus downtown the next day, picked up "Can't Buy a Thrill". Ironically, I had just purchased a thrill and have never been the same since. Back in THE DAY.

The 8-Track that stands out in my mind, continuiously looping, program to program would be Are You Experienced, in my friend's sister's Camaro (the boxier one), sitting in the driveway because we couldn't drive...but we were.

Now don't we sound really old and crusty tonight ? How about some pre-2cent bubble gum. Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end. In some ways they never do.

THE FUCKING WILKES-BARRE CONCERT IS CANCELLLED! CHECK THE SD WEBPAGE!

I just got a load of cd's from BMG. (suckered again) Among others I received Confirmation:Best of the Verve years-Charlie Parker. Smoothe man, smoothe. Also got Sonny Rollins-Saxophone Colossus. Two words, Holy SH*T! Some of the most engaging music I've heard in awhile. That boy can play some sax.

Good evening all.

Peace, Love and DAN

Razor

It would seem that SD has been with me from my "Birth of Awareness" days, right up to the millenial present. By way of illustration, a short chronology:

'Twas '72... Location: Lima, Ohio. (spawning site of Phyllis Diller, Hugh Downs, tenor sax god Joe Henderson, and 20 minutes from Wapakoneta, birthplace of Neal Armstrong- first man to trod upon another celestial body.) I was a 16 year-old "College-Prep"-er working afternoons at a Mom&Pop grocery.
My main interest was music- I was heavily involved with the "extra-curriculars" like choir, orchestra, and a student-formed string quartet that lifted and arranged(by ear, exclusively)a selection of tunes that were culled from the media of Our Time- such as it was. Our playlist included: TV theme music, commercial jingles, and a short list of pop tunes and easy jazz/blues numbers. (We should have stayed together... we could have beaten Turtle Island, Kronos 4tet, et al by 15 years!) We were the geeks of our school, but were convinced that we were the "Tragically Hip Lost Artists of The Midwest Wasteland." I was on a track to study cello at conservatory, but my Dad was supporting us on a policeman's salary- I was slaving in retail to help save for my future.
This particular day, I was attached to the Produce Commandant, and was wrapping asparagus, when "Do It Again" began playing on our local radio station. The tune just leaped from the radio in a way I'd not experienced before. It was the first time I truly UNDERSTOOD what a well- crafted pop tune should sound like. I was into Classical music, and spent every spare cent on recordings of famous cello works, so I proptly forgot about my experience with The Dan.

Later, I was in college, and hating everything I heard blasting from my dormmates rooms (Frampton, Stones, BTO, A'smith, Beach Boys, etc.) when I befriended Beano, a little guy who played trombone, and worked as a dj at the campus radio station. We were into "power caffiene consumption" and late nite wax-spinnin' for da masses. Beano played Horace Silver's "Song for My Father," followed by a public service break. The next tune was "Rikki..." I was about to tell him that he'd rerun the same tune, when he just smiled and held his hand to his ear- and I heard DF's voice: "We hear you're leavin, that's O.K..." I tuned into the song and remarked: "This is a really great tune- so well-crafted...you just don't hear pop this good everyday- ...who is it?" ...Revelation time.

It's now '78, I've 'stopped-out' of matriculation, and am now working in an oil refinery. A die-hard believer now, I'm listening to Weather Report, 'Floyd, Charlie Parker, Bill Evans, and all The Dan I can find.
Independant, single, with tons of disposable cash, I spend every free dollar and hour driving my '77 Triumph Spitfire to anyplace I might find Fresh Young Things In Search of "Adventure." My experience showed that 'Aja' worked better than anything else in my tapedeck, and is to this day, a sentimental fave.

Tonight, I just finished participating in a transcendental performance of Rachmaninoff's Symphony #4 for our final Classics Concert. (..yes, I quit the refinery, returned to school, and am now playing orchestral music, opera, jazz, and experimental fusion as a professional. -Who says dreams can't come true?) The tottering old patrons on their way to their cars were most surprised when they heard "Gaslighting Abby" slammin' forth from my Acura as I left the parking lot. (I still like to shake'em all down and mix in the streets every now and then.)

My life has taken me down many side roads and detours since I mapped out my future in that grocery store. I've loved and lost, won a soulmate, experienced triumphs and failures, and have managed to enjoy myself for most of that time.
I've learned that these things are important: 1. Never lie to your soulmate- it diminishes you both. 2. Never settle for less than your dreams- they connect your present to your past. 3. Never underestimate the power of Good Music, or the effectiveness of Da Groove. You can always find both in some Steely Dan.

Reegardzz,
ClemBob

Just Updated Danfest pages for:

* Concord: http://dandom.com/danfests/concord
* Los Wages: http://dandom.com/danfests/vegas
* Boston/Mansfield: http://dandom.com/danfests/mansfield
* Houston: http://dandom.com/danfests/houston

See correct e-mail addy above.

Having just emerged from a fiber optic damage coma and unable to read or post for 24 hours a brief correction to Slidestranglers earlier post about the Lost Wages Concert Festivities. To contact Tom Greene/greeneearrings the correct e-mail addy is . My wifes top billing was inadvertantly reversed.
Check the LV Danfest sight for some of the basic details and if people are planning on attending the "Black Friday" event, please contact one of us as we have reservations that can be expanded if the turnout is impressive enough. Anyway...

First indoctrination/love affair with the Dan was the AM Radio playing of Reelin'. As a novice drummer ( a status from which I never emerged)I wanted to play along with the song but found myself enjoying the rest of the parts as well and while I never mastered the part, I never missed a release after that.

I too had most of the Dan on 8 track (what a horrible confession) before about Aja's release. Never thought that cassette tape thing would catch on. Anybody want to buy an old Betamax deck as well?
3 weeks and counting!!!
Peace,
G.E.

Haven't checked e-mail in awhile due to work stuff!

> Quentin:
>
> Received ticket this morning. Thanks SO much. Turns out our tickets
are
> seats 26 & 27 and the one you sent was 30 -- same row! Perfect!
>
> Called my SD fan friend who is using ticket and told her I had it --
I
> think one of my eardrums is ruptured! This has made her
summer...again
> thanks.

looeez

Fondest hook memory:

19-years-old, in '79, I was taking a break from college & working to fund education when I hooked up with the idiot boyfriend of the millenia, (there is always at least ONE, isn't there?) an obssessive compulsive gearhead (and quite possibly the king of all s--theads -- two characteristics that are not necessarily related).

Anyway, listening to Pretzel Logic and Aja while soaring on an old, hilly, two-lane hwy in the boondocks, in summer during many a sunset, in a GORGEOUS '71 Vette (mom & dad purchased as college graduation gift for baby boy!) containing an amazing stereo system (since he could "blow" the carbon out with less chance of getting a ticket, doncha know). Combination of music and ride made for a euphoric "rush."

Albeit, passengers were hindered by vast array of rules wherein one was only allowed to ride if they took off their shoes and didn't touch ANYTHING, except, of course, the substance-abusing driver! Just the kind of individual that gives parents nervous ticks when they show up to date your daughter! Sorry to digress...

Although, I had heard SD in high-school, I think I played Prezel Logic and Aja about a million times in that car. Taught me that exceptional sound systems do play a part in the total experience.

Thank god for the education, however bittersweet -- it was invaluable. Still a huge fan of SD and 'things with wheels.' JEEEZ, the music and THAT car were FINE!

What a shame about that vehicle as said idiot totalled it shortly after we parted ways. Not to worry. Owner wasn't scratched and it wasn't his fault (right!). Fact that he was stoned out of his fricking mind was not a factor & Mom & Dad felt bad for his loss and promptly replaced it with a different vehicle. Another happy ending! Parents take heed!

peace

yo...check out my WT2000 webpage, launched the 14th

http://www.angelfire.com/punk/sr

It was 1972. I was 18 and sleeping in my car, a 1962 Ford Fairlane -- and occasionally on the floors or couches of friends. On the busted speaker of the AM radio in my car, I heard "Do It Again." A year or so later, when I actually had a stereo and a semi-permanent place to live, I bought "Can't Buy a Thrill," hoping for more of the same. I hated David Palmer's vocals but loved "Fire in the Hole." It was "Countdown to Ecstasy" that hooked me after I heard it over and over again in London at the Hard Rock Cafe...

And here we are today.

P.S. Anyone who's going to be in Las Vegas on June 9 and 10, please e-mail me at dinghyrecords@hotmail.com or Tom Greene at tomandmaria@home.com. We'll send you the details of a couple of events we're hosting which so far have not been listed on the official outlets...

--Anne de Siecle

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Blazer, Your story of 'not looking back' actually brought tears to my eyes. It just hit that little visceral cord inside me. What can I say? ...I'm a wuss...alright!

When I was about 14-15 I listened to Reelin', Do it Again, Rikki, Bodhi from the earlier stuff that got radio play. I even saw them perform on the 74 tour with Skunk, Denny and MacDonald. I really dug the music, the laconic east coast accent; but they were just another really tight rock group to me. Nothing transcendent about them. At the time, I was heavily into hard rock (Zeppelin, Montrose, New York Dolls, King Crimson, Cream et. al) and my jazz sensibliities hadn't been kindled yet.
Back in 75-76 when I was growing up in LA, a good friend of mine, who's opinion I held in very high regard was always playing this new album he'd just got called "Katy Lied" whenever we'd stop by his place to get high or whatever. When I inquired about the different (but familiar) sound, he told me it was Steely Dan. I remembered thinking how unlike their rocking shit from the first few albums this new pone was and my first reaction (this is true) was to tell him how fucking wimpy it sounded. He couldn't be a man and not be listening to 'Houses of The Holy" or Skynard's "Pronounced!" In true super-testosterone-raging fashion, I adamantly refused to buy into the syncopated jazzy beats and smooth rhythms of his 'pussy music,' as I'd begun to call it.
One night after we'd been out cruising Hollywood & Sunset, he mistakenly left "Katy" in my eight track when I dropped him at home. Curious about this new, weird sound,I poped it in and started listening to it while driving home up Laurel Canyon in my beat up rag-top. About three songs into it, while listening to Dr. Wu, something very deep inside me came alive.
I had a insanely, life-changing epiphany. There, in the heart of the canyon, beneath the canopy of California sky, cruising home alone on that hot summer night two and a half decades ago, I found my spooning companion, my missing glove, my long-lost blood-brother. My infatuation with this "Steely Man was actually instantaneous once this soul-communication began.
For that night forward, nary a few days have passed over the ensuing 25 years when I have not listenened to their music or their presence has not influenced my life in some small way.
Those of you who are in the midst of this soul--communion certainly know what I speak of. For those of you who haven't, my heartfelt condolences.

Craig

Thank you to whomever it was here that said to call Ticketbastard in Toronto for seats in the U. S. I got through the first try. Even though I called 2 hours after tickets went on sale to the added show at Jones Beach, I got 4 seats on the floor, 35th row center! That makes it show # 11 of the tour for me. I'm broke but HUGHELY happy!

Hf

p.s. I still think a segway of "Caves Of Altimira" into "The Royal Scam" would be mind-blowing!! Think about it.

Would someone please bring back ballah?

Hello Robin, I have no children but I can imagine it's strange to see them have their own taste in music that can hardly be called so, but it's also very very nice to see they like the music their parents enjoy!! And the other stuff will be forgotten, SD is hard to ignore ..
I have a screensaver now, when I leave for 5 minutes, bits and pieces of 2vN fill up the air, real nice, but I don't know about the other stuff ...PBS? I'm not sure whether this laptop is equiped for whatever can be done ..well, maybe I'll figure it out!

Home at Last. Now I know why I usually skipped that one, there's a little crack in the vinyl that changes the first verse into three sentences down the line ...But I listened to what was possible. I can't help it, but Deacon Blues thrills me more and I liked it when Peg was being used in the Dela Soul "Me myself & I", sorry but I let this ship pass in the night and a question now ...does anyone know about the avocado-farm on Hawaii??? Has anyone ever eaten one ...not knowing he/she was really digesting a danvocado?
I wonder..

Not much to say, now. I'm having green tea and red wine ...It's seven past ten before midnight and I think I'm going back to day numero uno of this GB ...take a dive into those archives...bye now, Strangers. I like your names!
Gina

There I was age 12 I think, babysitting my cousin (so NOT Dupree) and I was going through my uncles collection of vinyl and there was AJA. I played it and then again and again and I was never the same after that. Learned every word to every song on that album that summer and my next Dan discovery was Pretzel Logic. It was at that moment I drew away from what all those around me were listening to and decided that STEELY DAN was my favourite band and the best band in the world. Aint much changed since den. I know this to be true because at the end of the day, after all the chatter and scatter of the world has fallen with the setting florida sun, I pop in the DAN and go HOME again.

-still in the recovery room after a bout of migraine and morphine- your resident JUJU chile' mending herself with a little herbal tea and friends on the GB-chere

many blessings to you all, Love chere

Although I had heard most of their singles on the radio at one point or another, the epiphany came around 1986 on a lonely evening in the city. I was walking down the Main and decided to pop in a tape I had gotten from a Columbia House racket. It was the Gold compilation. The B side opened with FM. I remember noticing the sax and guitar parts and it really fit the mood I was in at the time. On the fade out guitar solo, there's a note that sent chills down my spine. I never looked back.

Great idea for a topic, Michelle. It took me back to a strange time in my life.

Innocent One -- It was "Do It Again" that hooked me, hard. Its absolutely hypnotic riff and solos, unforgettable lyrics ... and one of the more eerily beautiful studio-magicked vocals Donald ever laid on vinyl in the Good Old Days. Just a couple times by on the radio and it was all over for me.

A by-the-way to all and sundry: partly inspired by the Japan playlist, I went back last night to listen to Early Dan again after heavy immersion in 2vN and the solo stuff, plus AIA and that NY Rock'n'Soul record ... wow, does the heavy power-pop/70's-rock feel of the early stuff leap out at me now! There's so much said and written about the Dan's jazz influences, I know I for one often forget how "poppy" they could also be.

/the Mam'zelle
preparing to fly off for my Saturday gigs

hooked in '73 at the Janie age of 14 when at a friend's house in Charlottesville, VA... We were listening to Can't Buy a Thrill when the piano intro and chorus of Midnight Cruiser put the fix in. I had heard Do It Again on the radio but had been more impressed by Reelin' in the Years which was on the charts at the time.

StevieDan- Yeah! They seriously need to play that! They also need to play home at last! With all the songs that are listed it dosen't seem like a very long concert! Then again i could watch them for like days! I would be content. I know that the show will RULE no matter what they play so i'm excited. I will wait for someone to post the songs they played from the first Steely Dan show played in the U.S. So yes! I am very excited!

It's funny because my friend was in a frantic to get *nsync tickets. She was on the internet and on the phone just like dying. I was like that for steely dan. Minus the dying part. I was just really excited. It's so funny how I LOVE Steely Dan and all those differnt types of oldie jassy smooth type things. I'm not to keen on *nsync. I don't know i find it very strange. How weird am I. No wait. How weird are they right?? haha~ Ok. Sorry it made me think of Robin because she's trying to lead her daughter away. My little sister is listening to Destiny's child right now!! HAHA! um anyways, i'm just totally rambling! It's too early! Why does my body have to have this dumb schedual where i wake up really early! ARG!!

Robin also makes me think of a question. Her daughter obviously liked Babylon sisters and that "hooked her."

What song hooked you all to Dan?? Have we asked that already??

Gina- Yes! Welcome!

Gina: Welcome to the GB!

In response to your comments: Any time is Dan Time! Coincidentally, I was listening to my newly acquired remastered Royal Scam as I read your post. As I am having my morning coffee while listening, I think that qualifies as breakfast for me. Work time is also an excellent source of Dan-refreshment. I generally have the Dan playing in the background and love the irony of having songs of drug abuse, dysfunctional relationships, dark humor, or kinkiness float around while discussing work with the boss. My daughter preferred Babylon Sisters as her singalong song--the "Shake It" part--when she was little. Now, at 11, she prefers Deacon Blues. Like mother, like daughter, I guess. (Now if I can just lead her away from Destiny's Child and Britney . . . )

Have a Dan-filled day!

Robin

I.O.: Right after the initial airing, I posted
"Two Words: "Bad Sneakers"". Now it turns out to be a small deficiency in the set list that I no longer read, will try not to analyze, and thankfully have failed to memorize, no matter how many times people have posted it. Anyway, that tune just has a shine on it these days.

"My what big ears you have my dear"...Big Bad Voodoo Wolfie sez

Herrington may not be the fave among the guitar guys who think about guitar too much, to but a guitar guy who lives for minimalism and an honest tone, Jon's the man.

And, especially after seeing the photo of him with Vicky on the long play ride over, you go, Jon. Bring it on home.

I don't follow TvN with anything but sleep, but I do follow one of my copies of 'East St. Louis Toodle-oo' (one Duke version, and I know there are dozens of recorded ones) with Neil's 'Country Girl' suite off CSN and Y's first album. As much as Neil is a hero of mine, I'm sure most of us prefer the first CSN album to 'Deja Vu.' "49 Bye-Byes" is like a northern Cali Brian Wilson at work.

Blazer Rouge- no, don't know what yr saying. Juju? Something I've never come across.

Mock Turtle- where are you sitting? I haven't been to the Rosemont in ten years. I love the Skunk, but the '74 and before live Dan were too much for me. Too much guitar, not enough restraint, too much mid-range. Great boots that I listen to a thousand times, but I'm happy I get to see them this year instead of 1974.

Good King Richard- I have friends in Muswellbrook. I've been there. A hell of a suburb that has no idea about 'Black Friday.' Lord, I loved being there.

Daddy G- Sugar Mountain, the Circle Game...at this point, who cares? Thanks, man, I appreciate it to no end. And my crossover is pretty sweet, too. Y'all should see me play. What's your email addy?

June 25th, I want to wake up with The Dan's stank all over me.

Herm: Although I've not heard "Hank's Pad", I was envisioning not an actual Mancini tune, but an instrumental based on Manciniesque harmony or chord progressions. I figured that "Hank's Pad" was a double entendre referring to either Henry's residence or his chordal pads musically speaking. Just my take.

Gina: I think SD and all related items are game. The "related items" part gets a little tangential at times, but that's the way uh huh uh huh we like it uh huh uh huh. Welcome to Dandom. It's a good place to be.

Miz D: I must second your guitar comment. Whatever happened to Drew ? He was awesome that tour. So far, other than Walter, he has been the best fit so far, although I loved Krantz's solo work. If only MIKE STERN were available. That would be something to see. Herington played second guitar to Mike on the Chroma: Music on the Edge album. Anyone wanting to here some amazing guitar should check out his Between the Lines album. Miles Davis did not hire this guy for nothing.

Chere: Cassandra should be soothing you soon.

steviedansez goodweekendpeaceout
gig tomorrow...they WILL hear 2VN whether they like it or not !

Alright, I decided to watch Steely Dan Storytellers again tonight because i just love it so much!! My favorite performance from that is Bad Sneakers. I love the way that it's performed! I really want them to do that at the concert. I also want to see them do bad sneakers but i don't think that it is on the song list which bums me out! So, someone pick a topic for discussion!! i'm running out of things to say. But I can't get enough of the storytellers and the in the spotlight. I LOVE STEELY DAN!!

that's great, everyone, seriously...but back to me and Carolyn...

I have always liked the Dan's music but did not become a fanatic until I happened to catch the PBS in the Spotlight concert. Man that was fantastic. I ran out and bought 2VN the next day and several other ones after that. I am going to the concert in Dallas July 29th. This will be the first time I've seen them live, from what I can tell from the Spotlight concert and VH1 Storytellers I'm in for a real treat. I love the website. I have learned so much about Don and Walt, I feel like I've known them all my life!!

Have fun at the Danfest's this summer.

Blazer Rouge, my friend - chill!!

I already apologized for my trangression !

Now *this* is the GB vibe I used to know (and love)!

ObDannishContent: just got my latest CDNow.com shipment in the mail last night (no I'm not a crackhead, I'm just addicted to these little silvery circles, man ...) and I am now at last the proud owner of a copy of the New York Rock and Soul Revue disc. It rocks ever so fantastically. Great performances by all involved. Fun to hear Donald doing his little MC bits (yes, y'all know I can't get enough of that man). More to the musical point: the arrangements of the songs, esp. the vintage R'n'B covers, are fantastic, and a real demonstration of DF's orchestration creativity. Dig the horn charts on "Lonely Teardrops" -- yowza!

But a particularly intriguing thing to me was, well ... I have up to now resisted with might and main getting into any part of the intermittent "SD guitarist past/present/future" threads, because I believe each SD axeman (including Herington, including Krantz, including etc and so forth) has brought his own unique thing to the mix and it's all good. But after listening to this disc even once through, I just gotta say it: man, can that Drew Zingg play a gee-tar, and man does he have a classic SD vibe going on. No diss on any other guitarist, but ... damn!

/the Mam'zelle
ready to head for Happy Hour

can Carolyn sit in my lap when Donald sings all those other songs?

be back in a sec...

Hey,

I have been a huge Henry Mancini fan for years, but I've never heard a song before called "Hank's Pad". Intrigued, I did a search and could not come up with anything resembling it. Now, I only did the search in the AMG, so possibly the song is not only anything currently in print. Does anyone know anything more about this song, like when it came out, or maybe what album it appeared on? Is it an instrumental? I have about ten Mancini albums, but they are in storage and aren't accessible to me until the end of June, so I can't dig through any of my stuff just yet.

Later,

Herm

Aja--WAAAHHHH!!! I can pronounce all those placenames just fine! But I'm not gonna be able to make the Sandy Eggo scene! Guess I'll just have to connive some other way to wind up in Donald's lap, huh?

/The Mam'zelle

you're a blonde gringa and you understand all the Spanish words in IO's post even though you don't speak Spanish.

Anyone coming to the San Diego show from out of state who can correctly pronounce "La Jolla" "El Cajon" "San Joaquin" and "Cuyamaca" gets to sit in Donald Fagen's lap while Carolyn sings Dirty Work.

Aja

You like being right, eh Einstein? Right. Well, of fucking course WOH is the best off 2VN -- and so it'll stay too. It's the ghost of Gaucho's past, and it's one reason no other Gaucho made it to tour.

Sure AG will endure, and second best from 2VN, but they're already doing DB which, along with DrW, are of a kind. Personally I'd prefer either DrW or AG or even HATWW, which belongs in this company too, to DB for tour.

And KOTW would have been nicer than B or the other "oldies" they've decided to do.

This made me think of our conversations Chere- sorry for the non-dan post)
> You know you are a latino if....
> * You have ever been spanked with chanclas.
> * You have later been hit with the plancha chord.
> * Your mother yells at the top of her lungs to call you to dinner and
> you only live in a one bedroom apartment.
> * You get scared whenever someone mentions "el cucuuuuiii"
> * You've gone to the Pulga or Swaptmeet every weekend for years.
> * You have gone to Tia's house and passed through the beaded curtain
> in the living room.
> * You step into a house that has all those little figurines taking up
> every inch of space on/under the TV and you have a porcelain cat, dog,
> Buddha or elephant in you living room.
> * Your uncles, aunts, cousins, or nephews have at some point in time
> lived in your garage.
> * You have plastic slipcovers on your sofas.
> * You have a perpetually drunk uncle.
> * You're still afraid to open that umbrella in your house.
> * You know at least one person in your family named Maria, Carlos,
> Papo, Juan, Jose, Tony, Tito or Luis, piinte, chuy,
> chino, chuco, or el whopper!!!!.
> * You not only know who Don Francisco from Sabado Gigante is, but you
> tell people he's your tio.
> * You remember watching "Siempre en Domingo" or "El Chavo del Ocho"
> * Your mother, tia or hermana's hair is blackcherry, "sun-in" red,
> blonde or a burgundy that would make Celia Cruz jealous.
> * You always try to find out what town another fellow latino's family
> is from.
> * You have told your kid not to walk the floor barefoot or they'll
> catch a cold.
> * Your tia Chencha thinks that silver banana clips are on Vogue's hot
> list for hair.
> * You go to a wedding or Quiencienera, gossip about how bad the comida
> is, but be the first to take a plato to go.
> * You drink all beer with limon and salt.
> * You say limon and salt w/out immediately realizing one word is in
> Spanish and one's in English.
> * You have a bottle of Tapatio
> * You have a chola in your barrio named "La Flaca" who's bigger than a
> house.
> * You have a cousin that's darker than night.
> * You know a chola named "La Shy Girl" who is loud and obnoxious.
> * Your family never lets you forget the day you missed Mother's Day.
> * You need to point out how much something you just bought costs.
> * You can dance merengue, cumbias, salsa and rancheras without music.
> * You go to at least 3 weddings a year.
> * You use manteca instead of olive oil and can't figure out why your
> ass is getting bigger.
> * You have sat in a two-passenger car with over seven people in it.
> * You have a bottle of Bacardi or Tequila in your house.
> * You're an adult and your still forced to be with your family at 12
> midnight New Year's Eve.
> * You get anothers attention by saying "chhh chhhhh or Psssssst".
> * Your signal to the waiter that you want the check by gesturing an
> imaginary checkmark on your hand
> * You drive a "Cheby", an "Ohsmobeel" or a "Bolswahgon".
> * And last but not least.....Your abuelita thinks she has the miracle
> cure for everything.
>

(Time Zone, 15 minutes after midnight)Had some hours to think deeply about my visit with all of you Signed Up Strangers, while walking outside and looking at people that actually seem to communicate with the ones next to them, I used to had my walkman on, for years, always in my own world, also aware of what surrounded me, but it's a free world and I preferred my own .. well, I'm a bit more adjusted these days ..I asked myself if I was a fool to value my guestbook visit in a manner which could not be topped by the regular contacts ...I supposed to have dinner with my boy-friend to celebrate his new job, but I found myself sitting next to him in his favorite R&B cafe The Duke, and he knew I had trouble being in the "real" world and he smiled at me, "did you find some more of your kind?" ...there was no dinner after all, he went for a burger nextdoor after having a long and fun conversation with a Belgian couple, while I was drinking mineralwater and thinking seriously about stuff like this ...I'm a bit on the emotional side these days, I don't mind having to cry with no particular reason at all, if it cleanses the soul and brings me closer to me, I'll cry a river if I have to!!!
What I'm trying to say, is that at a certain age (I'm 36 now) the things you've believed in and the person you've become, when this doesn't add up, you have to take a deep breath and go the hard way in finding out why you took that turn instead of the other one etc. etc. In fact I have nothing to complain about ...we live in a nice house, I live real close to work ( Libertel is a telecommunication company that is one of the biggest providers in Holland and they have subscribers as well as prepaid non-subscriber callers ...they "own" the air required to make a phonecall and their net has been tested as the best...I guess the name of the company has a nice ring to it..it does mean freedom, in a way ...so much for jobtalk) I have a nice and patient man ( can't say boy-friend, he's 38 and I myself always forget I'm close to 40!) we sell second-hand books as well and collect objects and there's lots of other stuff we like, there's music but I just haven't felt content with the way my life turned out..I should not complain, but I do-o, I became what I dreaded and nag-nag over this and nag-nag about that.. it took me a long time to go back to the things that were mine ...I can't say why there was fear ...maybe I felt I could not combine the regular world with my own, so I put it all away, but hey, who can just act and not get busted for it???
I have been called arrogant, but I'm not, I'm aware, that's all ..
Be your own best friend ( as Joni sang) and your stomach tells you when you're wrong or right ...it's not the easiest way, but the most honest and rewarding ...
It's about the quality of life. I know, the Europeans did enslave and all those things, my parents come from Asia, Indonesia, once a Dutch colony and I have all kinds of blood run through my veigns...and I feel deeply for the native Indian tribes in America that had such fine ways of living, close to nature, and the world has harvested many other upstanding cultures and civilizations with strengths and powers and knowledge we could not begin to encounter ...we have to accept the past and our ancestors and come to terms with it and find our own space in this existence...Look in the mirror and be content with who you are, know who you are, and take pride in it!
Well ..all this because I'm a Signed Up Stranger now, I haven't felt this calm in a long time...
Being aware has nothing to do with Ego ....me myself and I ...it's not always wrong ...I love the word SERENDIPITY and it's also a song by John Martyn, and I also love E. Costello although he's about other stuff than what SD gives to this world ...it's like Joni Mitchell and Ricki Lee Jones, the Doobies and Michael McDonald..
that's "close to home" isn't it?
I have a laptop at home, connected to the network at the office because I have to work after office hours sometimes...I never touched a PC until I came to work with Libertel 3 years ago ..I'm an old-fashioned kinda girl/woman ...
But I do thank this modern way of connecting because I guess that when you feel lost in a world that moves to fast to understand, a world that has lost more than it gained, from my point of view ...when used for the proper purposes, it's fine by me.

My time zone, a midnight snack and Home at Last ....I'm not so Aja-tic really, Peg and Deacon Blues I know, you made me real curious so now I have to listen instead of just hear it while a majorminor everyday problem turns up to draw my attention ...Home at Last indeed?

I'm sorry for the big big big long long talk.
But I thank you, Strangers ...
Gina

Just thought I'd share:

On my way to work this morning, I struck up a conversation with a pleasant-looking fellow I'd often seen commuting to the same Evil Empire. However, what started off as a nice conversation with, ahem, possibilities, quickly went down a rathole, as I discovered to my chagrin that Pleasant Fellow's politics were somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. We trailed off on a polite if strained note, while I dove under my headphones to listen to more Dan. Later, disembarking at Redmond, I found myself laughing. Yea verily, that right-wing hooey sure stunk up the joint. Oh well--what a shame about him.

/Mam'zelle Canard

P.S. to "The Nance" -- hey, I resemble that remark! :-)

Well the japanese leg of the tour is over. Getting excited?
Here's a Night by Night report on how it went:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/6433/live514.html

Waiting for your comments.

Deja vu.

Lucky Henry,Q - I rest my case.

Loved the PBS show. Have multiple PBS stations where I reside, so I got to watch it back to back, and several nites in a row. Here is the set list for those who haven't seen it. Hope they do more 2vN though.

TTFN

Laura

Set list for Japan
STEELY DAN
two against nature
IN CONCERT 2000
2000.05.14 Tokyo
International Forum
01.Intro - The Boston Rag
02.Bodhisattva
03.Night By Night
04.Janie Runaway
05.Josie (contains Drum Solo)
06.Black Friday
07.Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More (Becker sings)
-Member Introduction-
08.Jack Of Speed
09.Do It Again
10.West Of Hollywood
- Intermission 20 min -
11.Hank's Pad (Henry Mancini)
12.The Royal Scam
13.Deacon Blues
14.Cousin Dupree
15.Monkey In Your Soul(Becker sings)
16.Dirty Work (Carolyn sings)
17.Peg
18.My Old School
19.Kid Charlemagne
-Encore-
20.Don't Take Me Alive
21.FM

They'll change, in a thousand little ways, they'll change.

....well, maybe more like a bunch of little ways.

Want to hear Hank's Pad, though.

And Dirty Work, which I NEVER thought they'd do live again.

And as much from 2vN as possible. Remember the rehearsing of the title track in the PBS show. One can only hope! Maybe Q can pay 'em to do an encore of the song.

Gina, Hot Lips, welcome to our little world!

Does Steely Dan usually use the same sets every nite they play or do they change? I saw the set listing for Japan on another site, and wondered if that was what I had to look forward to.

Thanks!!

I had me an idea...

http://boardserver.mycomputer.com/list.html?u=stalphonzo&f=1

It's the official Steely Dan Ticket Exchange message board. A threaded message board where buyers and sellers can get together to exchange information. This ticket exchange will be available throughout the Summer and European tours. I created this to reduce the amount of noise on the various listbots, guestbooks, newsgroups, mail lists, etc...

I suppose many of you are wondering what ever became of the fan interview project Hoops and I were working on? Well, the answers are in! Look for a post very soon with URL information.

Hello Guestbook. Just cruising through. Great site! Love the "What a Shame" discussion and the "Home at Last" musings are terrific.

Mr. LaPage, That some free verse you offered.

The Worm's parody was too funny.

Looks like I'll be back for more.

...and if the folks will have me; then they'll have me...
Hope I'm welcome to your little world?

HotLips&Rhetoric (Claudine)

Arg how many more days till June?? How is everyone today?? so, home at last is becoming one of my favorite songs! I said that a long time ago! Thats such a good song. i love the energy that the song gives off. it's so smooth and Jazzy. Well WHATS UP EVERYONE?? talk to me people :)

Razor - I know exactly what you mean. I've been stuck on that particular "axis" for a while now. I usually time it so that I can impress friends with those particular songs in the car. Sad but true.

http://www.justeighteens.com/pictures/Melanie/mel4.jpg

How about the-rape? Cheaper, and soul-cleansing.

make that "any of those songs on their own".

humbly yours,

Razor

craig-http://steelydan.com/2kdarkroom.html

Gina- Welcome.The Dan can be had for breakfast, lunch and dinner and even the occasional (okay, frequent) midnite snack. Come back and visit again.

Why has WOH suddenly become everyone's 2vN favorite? Way back when I stated that it was my favorite and everyone else was stuck on AG and GA. Shortly after that is when the whole drum machine to do happend in reference to that song. It's epic stature has kept it high on my list but I am currently spinning the 2vN 'Trifecta', Janie Runaway, Almost Gothic and Jack of Speed. I've found it now almost impossible to listen to any of those songs on there own. Try it, they flow together very well.

Just got busted by the boss, sneak back later.

to the streets of Culver City.

Peace, Love and DAN,

Razor

Blazer-..I LOVE WOH! I haven't seen any of the shows yet (like everyone else here) but I will bet my bottom dollar that the song "The Royal Scam" is by far the highlight of the show! I think it's going to knock peoples socks off!!! As far as it not even being close to the best song on the record, well I won't even get into that.

Hf

Do you want the money or don't you?

Patrick Bateman
bateman@AmPsycho2000.com

>I feel it is my obligation as your doctor to insist that we examine your motivation
>for such an unconventional undertaking as online therapy. The long term effects
>of such an arrangement on the health of the patient must be carefully evaluated.
>Will "therap-e" be beneficial or harmful...especially considering your state of mind?

Dr. M

Holland Gina - You left out one important detail: the European need to plunder, pillage and enslave. Steely Dan in concert? Check out the tape of the PBS Special. It doesn't get any better than this.

Hello. Not good sound. I try better next time.

http://fweb.midi.co.jp/~jazznoise/misc/don't_take_me_alive_20000514.mp3

Holland Gina - Libertel, that's a freenet thing, isn't it? Way to go! Come back soon, we need your kind. Ciao.

That's the thing with WB and DF ...I guess their minds and hearts and souls have muses that whisper them all the tales this globe has known and they even go beyond that, sometimes ...in fact the current inhabitants of America come out of an European urge to expand and explore, Europe is your inheritance as well!!!

Is SD live as good or better???
Worth flying over for??

Now I got to stop this roaming. It was nice to be amongst you today and if you should ever come to visit the Netherlands and you bring your cellular phone ...make sure you tune in on the best network there is ... Libertel ...
Gina

Daddy G, Yes that was me and I stand guilty as charged. It was a horribly malicious red-herring I unleased on the faithful minions. I've apologized for this faux-pas on this very same guestbook in the past and I again offer my humble apologies for such chicanery. It will not happen again. I L-U-V you all!

If I see you in Columbia in July, you can give me a noogie.

Craig

I didn't expect to spend my last day of vacation reeling through the SD-spheres.. ..and I want to add to this Home at Last thing which puzzles me to be honest, Odysseus founded the city of Lisboa, Lisbon (Lissabon, Dutch) in Portugal on his way home to Troy (Troje). Now ...just imagine being tired from all your adventures, all you want to do is get home to your wife and son and friends, now the greater powers make you stay to start something that others will finish and there it is, a city called Lisboa. I've been there just a week ago and I tried to grasp something of the very ancient visions... History has it!
Home at last, it's the sigh of the oldest part of your soul that has re-lived throughout generations and it's in your genes as well, it calls out and makes your blood run free. Something like that.

Feel it in your gut and leave the words and ratio behind.
Go to Lisboa.
Boa tarde!!!
Gina

Mr. La Page:

I'm totally down with your last several posts and am now ready to forgive you for making up that sh*t several weeks back about Warren Kruger being a character in The Manchurian Candidate. Was that really you, Craig, or was somebody stealing your handle?

Mr LaPage - I was never REALLY in Japan and you're talking to a ghost. Some people here were at the PBS taping and they could tell us about it. I'd like to know.

I can't find the Japan pictures on the Dan Webpage. Can someone help me out.

Blazer, Can you give us your impression of the 'live' take of West of Hollywood?

~Walt's guitar licks, which are so cool on the album version; how'd he do with this solo? Were his fills as tasty?

~The wonderful Chris Potter sax solo; how'd Shepard (or Ambrose) interpret this dynamic riff?

Kudos on all the 'Home at Last' contributions. A worthy song.

I love "Royal Scam," album and track. Great feel throughout, multi-layered, very dark. Very big in scope.

West of Hollywood has that same multi-leveled feel. Dark narrative; subversive. Truly epic. This is my favorite cut on 2vN. Also has quietly become one of my all-time danFavorites.
Just can't get away from those fucking lyrics!

Craig

Blazer of Redness

you got it
send me a note with your e-mail
and I'll work up something good for you

bergeon@shellus.com

have to run

cheers

Worm - All crucified in their own way.

Dr Wu

Loved your interpretation on Home at Last

I still prefer to keep the song in the mysterious abstract
and not pin it specifically down
journey and temptation mode
the journey (life itself?)
and apply it to whatever diversion currently fits

yes I agree with the home at last
he struggles to resist something
and realises that the journey and the slow burn of temptation
that appear to be glaring snares to avoid
are actually the real attraction

ah, stop struggling and enjoy the comforts of the corruptable

la la land of plasticity certainly works

Palos Verde here I come

new address
w.o.w. west of wormywood

here's my own quiz
and I'll find some goody to give away with it

okay

what do the songs
Dr Wu
Zeppelins Black Country Woman
and Lennon's Ballad of John and Yoko
have in common?

first correct answer gets a generous worm treat

re: Home At Last: Obviously the Odyssey references hold true, but what does Home At Last mean?

"I know this super highway
This bright familiar sun
I guess that I'm the lucky one"

Guy moves to LA from say New York and he's grown tired of the scene: the SoCal sun, the faux glamour, etc.

"Who wrote that tired sea song
Set on this peaceful shore
You think you've heard this one before"

"OK, you've read the Odyssey - be ready for a twist on that theme"

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past
Still I remain tied to the mast
Could it be that I have found my home at last
Home at last"

He has partaken of the SoCal life, the warmth, the native women, the party scene. But he has resolved to find the drive and make the arrangments to move back home where it's "more real" than LaLa Land.

She serves the smooth retsina
She keeps me safe and warm
It's just the calm before the storm
Call in my reservation
So long hey thanks my friend
I guess I'll try my luck again

"A summer of bliss, then the fear of the rainy season"

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past
Still I remain tied to the mast
Could it be that I have found my home at last
Home at last"

Aha! in the middle of the chorus does he lose the resolve to go back to New York? He decides that Home at Last is LA!! That's the twist. This Odysseus stays!! At least that's my take and I'm sticking to it.

Worm - Who needs Napster?
Can I show you the Shine of your Japan?
St-Al does.
Look for Joe in the Net Cafe. He'll slip you a low-grade tape.
Hot Stuff. You DID NOT hear it from me.
Simple answer?
Impossible in this venue. Sorry.

Huge - I think you'll agree with me that you need balls of steel to refer to WOH as a failure especially if you're a laptop soloist. Royal Scam is a great song, don't get me wrong. It's just not better than WOH, IMHO. The Royal Scam is not even the best number on the album of the same name. As far as being stuck in the seventies, it's really not that bad a condition considering what's coming out today. I'm speaking in general terms of course. Seeing the setlist for this Tour so far, seventies is not bad, even for Don and Walt.

Blazer Rouge -

so the Turtle Mocked it
okay been puzzling all evening

what is the answer

born again shine in Japan?

I give i give

next stop negative girl
something I wish I knew nothing about

Stranger... I'll be there, yes I'll be there.

Blazer.. What are you saying? West Of Hollywood ia better song then The Royal Scam? Not only do I disagree with that, I think The Royal Scam is a better overall record then TVN. What could I say, maybe I'm stuck in the 70's.

Hf

Many thanks to Midnite Cruiser and Optimystic for the beautiful artwork on the cover of our Richmond Danfest CD. It looks like we're deep in the country... and we were weren't we!
Great job you guys!

Holland Gina - Babylon it is. Or is it the Jackson Brown fan club? Joe Walsh newsletter? Elvis Costello love board? Ben Folds Five for sissies?

Squonk - I had the same overall impression after a quickie first listening. West Of Hollywood a failure? Royal Scam better? I think not.

Worm - Sorry the Turtle beat you to it.

KELLY - For what it's worth, I'll be strapped under the Tour bus with Huge Fan, then Toronto. No border crossing for me, need my own special blend of JUJU, know what i'm saying?

off2doadinotalk

nice discussions

Dr Mu and Social Herm - glad to know others dig Costello
yes like the dan he can spin a sweet melody to an irony

Hand in Hand off of This Year Model
the ending sounds so warm and fuzzy but is scolding extremo

if I'm gonna go down... your gonna come with me.. hand in hand

Daddy G - you have the right Jeanie
and humming slit skirts isn't torture, now is it?
stellar lines

women left with nothing cursed the men who fit the coil
men not fit for marriage took their refuge in the oil
once she woke with untrained lovers face between her legs
now he's cool and stiffled and it's she who has to beg

and you know that when she thinks of me
she thinks of me as him
but unlike her I work off my frustrations in the gym

Home at Last - thankfully Don and Walt kept the struggle mysterious but used Homer's metaphors to capture the essence of temptation

or as Joni would say " I got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake around my arm"

toodles from the topsoil

Well, I've finally managed to pull myself together and install my audio-set that has been waiting ever since we moved to this house let's say, in december last year... I couldn't stand the idea that while reading the mail on the Official SD Homepage and now this particular guestbook, I had to play the set downstairs too loud for my neighbours comfort (neighbour's/neighbours' ...I'm from abroad, so ...)and after Signing Up as A Stranger, I went and did the job in less than ten minutes. All because I was so eager to play my first SD album, The Royal Scam ..You must know the weather here is a bit on the gloomy side and no kidding, but when Kid Charlemagne was playing and it brought back some of the more finer thrills in life, the sun actually began to shine and I saw trees light up and stuff like that. SD has a real magical cosmic touch I guess..the Caves of Altamira have very fine lyrics my at that time 13-year old me used to sing out loud "the busy world was not for me so I went and found my own" ...
I wonder, you Signed Up Strangers out there, can you have SD for breakfast, or is it merely reserved for the evening, while sipping some herbal tea or cleaning up that bottle of vodka so your mother-in-law can't abuse it ...and how about this ...has anyone had the Fez in mind when proposing to their ex-wives???
Did you burst into tears when the shops closed and you had to wait another day to purchase the latest SD album... did you name your children after someone or something the minds of WB and DF came up with ...how about that name of your Dan-dog ...there's a thief even amongst SD-adepts, we can't beat statistics and human nature ...maybe the thief wasn't a thief but an innocent finder and maybe your wallet was empty ...you didn't mention anything like that...
I still have lots of guestbook days to read, so I say bye now!

Gina

Nice 2vn review in Q magazine that may have been missed by some on the board.

http://www.qonline.co.uk/reviews/server.asp?id=18774

Home at Last - there are lots of references to Homer's "Odyssey".

"Tied to the mast" - as he sails the seas, our hero asks his fellows to tie him to the mast so he can hear the beautiful song of the sirens, without being able to approach them (all those that do approach them perish). I think he gets his shipmates to plug their ears with wax so they can't hear so cannot be tempted.

This is shortly after they navigate the twin perils of the Scylla and Charibdes (spelling?), the "danger on the rocks".

The 2nd verse "She serves the smooth retsina, she keeps me safe and warm" relates to Odysseus' stay with on an island with the goddess Calypso who treats him so well, he doesn't want to leave.
After many years on the island, he sets out to find his way home.

As to what all these references are intended to suggest - not sure. The relationship/marriage idea is interesting though. "Could it be that I have found my home at last?" (Or have I just found another Calypso?).

Summary of the story that I just found on the web:

"At sea once more we had to pass the Sirens, whose sweet singing lures sailors to their doom. I had stopped up the ears of my crew with wax, and I alone listened while lashed to the mast, powerless to steer toward shipwreck. Next came Charybdis, who swallows the sea in a whirlpool, then spits it up again. Avoiding this we skirted the cliff where Scylla exacts her toll. Each of her six slavering maws grabbed a sailor and wolfed him down. Finally we were becalmed on the island of the Sun. My men disregarded all warnings and sacrificed his cattle, so back at sea Zeus sent a thunderbolt that smashed the ship. I alone survived, washing up on the island of Calypso."

Howard

Ricky Lawson - record exec:
http://news.excite.com/news/bw/000516/ny-imntv

Mesa Del Sol almost completed:
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/35555news05-18-00.htm

Riverbend concert schedule - best boot ever:
http://www.cincypost.com/living/river051800.html

Worth the drive:
http://www.austin360.com/entertainment/xl/features/2000/05/18concertlist_002.html

Gina!

Have I ever told you about my dog Pompe (he's a Great Dane, a Great Dan Fan as well, when he's lying upside down on the couch he looks just like mr Fagen when he sings "Cousin Dupree") and how he got his name?

I've been to Manhattan too. Lived at YMCA 1980.

And last year I visited Cincinnati.

Steely Dan - guys, when you're playing Cincinnati, be careful. I've been there, and someone stole my wallet.

C

The last time I went to find this chatbook it wasn't available and now I feel a bit dazed when catching a glimpse of what you all write. Not that I understand it, I can't figure out whether there's a dialogue going on or is everyone just speaking in Babylonic tongues?
I thought this was a SD chatbook and maybe you take the Sign In Stranger too literally, because it hits me stranger than strange....
I guess I'll just have another go at it, for now, what do we all have in common??? By the way, I have an Oxford Dictionary waiting to work its pages off, so please try to be as creative as possible, I don't mind having to look up words I've never seen before, thanks in advance!
With greetings from Holland, Gina Vodegel

Hello fellow DAN folk! I am blitzed on morphine, had a real bad bad slammer migraine toay- third day, last straw. Had to take some strng meds t kill it.I just wanted to chime in and say hello to you all and see whassup on the GB. For the record:

I am going to the WPB show. That's it and will be just fine for this juju chile'.

Q: I hope we can somehow work something where we can at least meet- me and my beau and you and the wife. Maybe during intermission. I will not be missing a SECOND of the show though. As I have stated before chere will hold her pee to see the DAN every second of it. Dat be most true! My seats are directly behind the luxury-season seats in the orcherstra section. An angel made that so. A blessed and generous angel DAN FAN like you!

Steviedan baby- thanks for the e mail and otra cosas (other thangs) you da bes boo.

IO: It is my great hope you will be able to disect EVERY Steely Dan album. Looks as though your doing Two against Nature right now. Good work young one. e amail me when you can chica- besos mami, chere

OLE-got your message and read between the lines. Will have to you pronto. Sorry for my delays and such. I am a busy juju chile' indeed. So glad to see your posts back under the Banyan tree darlin'. TWo Vs has got mo voodooo than D'Angelo's new album. To me anyway. You'll all understamd once I write my own fever dream about the album. Ole you did say no rush - now I am rushing.

Ducky- glad to see you back too. One BUSy little duckling you are.

Many blessings and good JUJU to you all, dat juju chil' -chere

Atlanta I, Raleigh, Manassas.

fezo--I got it. And--map. Must get map.

Re: HAL--but I think the big joke in this one is that once he's tied to the mast, he decides he really likes it there, and doesn't want to get untied. If he stays all snugged up there, he doesn't have to go back out and outwit Circe, evade the wrath of Poseidon, overcome scores of interlopers at home, etc. Let somebody else take the risks while he enjoys the sun and open sea.

Professor--and it's you calling yo'self Prof., not me calling my. Tell you what, the only part of "moral compass" that's right when applied to me is probably the "ass." Who wants to be everybody's mom? Good gracious, you just make my point. Look who's talking "fear" and "hate" and making pseudocruel refs to my family. Bro, I'm here for the fun, fuzzies, and crackling brain food. Impute what you will, it's all projection. I'd like to be glad you're glad.

Hutch--got the cover. Thanx and more thanx to the Midnites.

Steely Pete--Thanx for visiting.

Huge Fan,
Your itinerary shows you are named well. Drop by our humble Irvine Danfest. Go to the Danfest link provided by St. Al. I have been privileged with only one Dan concert so far. I expected a lot and it was much much better than that.

Home At Last was my favorite Dan song for probably a couple decades. Now I think it's the title track Aja. But I don't know what Aja is. It's a haunting, mysterious beautiful thing, whereas the Home in Home At Last is haunting and beautiful but not mysterious at all. It's beauty is in its absolute familiarity.

Many years ago, I was inspired by the haunting lyric of "Home at Last" to compose this short free-verse:
I have fallen in love with apt-interval to compose a considerable tome on the perils of life at sea, the timeless expanse of eros' ocean.
Yet I too have found myself expelling unwanted balast in order to keep this vulnerable vessel from capsizing.
Many a time I have battled leonine storm and shark invested waters to continue this emotional circumnavigation.
Who was it who in supplication asked; 'Give me a tall ship and a star to steer it by."?
Concerning the manifold questions which arise from putting out into these uncharted seas with full sail-sans-compass, there has never been a more aptly stated request.
Many a long day I have spent languishing in the ennui-inducing Duldrums of Committment, praying for just the slightest hint of trade-wind to bear me home and dry to my mooring in the haven of Amore-de-Mere.
That refreshing breath, breathed from the nostril of God and carrying with it a scant scent, a fleeting glimpse of what lies behind the far horizon.
A land filled with all the Dionysian delights and hedonistic pleasures, mortal men have only dreamed of; never tasted.
On many voyages, the Siren's plaintive cry has reached my ears. I too have been tied to the mast of fidelity by wax-muffled ensigns.
I have braved the haunting ululation of their ever-beckoning call at the peril of my very sanity.
I have gamely defeated the very same Gods; avoiding the Shoals of Tryst; The Reefs of Wind-Bourne Fancy.
I have overcome cataract and white-savage-swell and found the alee side of Bali Hai.
Craig.

borrow finder, burrow maker: Yes, Elvis C. is one of the most accomplished songwriters from the twtichy nasty irony of Watching the Detectives to the wistfulness of Everyday I write the Book, he presents a literate and savvy look at semi-twisted relationships...or a semi-twisted look at normarelationships..and the sardonic commentary. If there is a songwriter who captures many of elements of Steely Dan song strategy it is Costello, outside the much different use of jazz: Elvic C. draws from pop and jazz standards of the 40s and 50s, but his core harmonically is certainly not jazz, especially bop - it's R&B, blues, rock, and a touch of English folk. But it's the ability to put beautiful melodies (almost sing-song at times) and harmonies over bitter, stabbing lyrics. A keen ability to create vivid visual and emotional imagery...

It's the Hill Street Blues effect (though Dan did it first): a smoth sonic symphony over chaos and mayhem. Classic examples: Oliver's Army, Green Shirt, Radio Radio and Let Him Dangle. Classic after classic - Alison, I Don't Want to Go to Chelsea, Peace, Love and Understanding (oops that's Nick Lowe's pen), Red Shoe, I Can't Stand Up for Falling Down, Man Out of Time, Clubland, The Only Flame in Town, Pump it Up, Accidents Will Happen...My Aim is True and Armed Forces rate with the best..."Spike" has some real gems also besides the hit Veronica (written with Sir Paul) such as Deep Dark Truthful Mirror, the hilarious God's Comic, Any King's Shilling, Tramp the Dirt Down (tell us how you REALLY feel about Margaret), and my favorite twisted masterpiece "Satellite," a sort of Kulee Baba meets The Hitchhiker meets The Truman Show meets The Playboy Channel or something...would fit in nicely with tvN.

Home at Last, as read by The Nance
(hmm...giving myself nicknames for my nicknames...does that make me the East Coast Miz Ducky?):

Home at Last is about resignation to a life unplanned and disappointing. (I know, I know, it's about the Odyssey, but that's the thread that it picks up from Homer.) "Still I remain tied to the mast/Could it be that I have found my home at last..." is the narrator dealing with the existentially terrifying fact that this, this life, may be all there is. There is no home--or, at best, the voyage to "get home" is itself home.

Not so different, really, from WASAM: "Worried about the future now/Or maybe this is it."

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Going to Tweeter/Great Woods, Meadows and Merriwether Post...if my tickets can get to me through the US Mail. Somebody make me relax about that, please.

*Alright so i'm eating lunch and i'm done and i get my fortune cookie. Break it open and this is what it says: Look to the next month for some pleasant surprises. 9 13.....*

How cool is that?? Next month is the steely dan Concert!!! YES!! Well i already knew that that would be pleasant!! Then the 9th is the concert and that was the first number on the fortune cookie. so immediatly i thought WOW it's a sign! I had to share that with all of you. I also get to meet all of you who are coming to the San Diego show!! there are also other numbers so i'm thinking that maybe i will get to meet a certain someone on one of those days. I want to meet someone and they're supposed to be coming to California! So, maybe....the 13th is one of the days of my finals so that will be cool too!! One of my best friends will be coming down to visit me too around June 8-13!!!! So thats sooo cool! i dont usually believe in these things but hey, its a sign right?? Ok then well hope you all enjoyed my Random story!!

KD- Where are you???

Later