SIS Archives -- May 2001

Name: steviedan
so i suppose...

Date: Thursday, May 31, 19101 at 23:24:08
Comments:

... that phil spector was practicing "intellectual pedofilia", along with all the cats who wrote I vi IV V7 doowop songs ad nauseam, or arguably EVERY rock pop soul country "artist" that ever "lowered themselves" to pen a nursery rhyme for the masses ? compare the britney tune "lucky" (which she even co-wrote wow) to any similar pop candy and it holds up. as pop candy. it ain't art. it ain't steely dan. it ain't legit. why judge it by that standard ? these guys have their finger on the pulse of the pop world circa 2000 and that is what it is. what they do they do better than anyone else, objectively speaking.

aus, backatcha oh tasteful one. do you have the projeckts box set ? incredible.

wormthatistom, for clarification the bill evans comments were my own. the album review of the acoustic picker that covers "josie" was straight outta the new guitar player magazine, which also contains a nice article on the larry carlton/steve lukather collaboration. i present this caveat envisioning the possibility of a four day thread on how his version sucks and steviedan recommended it. merely your reporter on that one, but i'm gonna check it out anyway...

and by the way, now you only infrequently hint at the greatness that the wormish lingo has been historically. more ! more !

oh, and one MORE "where the hell..." i forgot yesterday ... yergoldkeith ? malc ?

ladyb, heavily relating to your statement about the bene's of unemployment. there are these people at my house. i remember them... my family ! don't get me wrong, we've always been close and happy and all, but the time we've had during these two weeks are worth more than gold. music continues to be an angel as the phone has been ringing off the hook for gigs and with the prospect of teaching in the areas i have been neglecting...

"future's so bright, i gotta wear shades" (from silly pop song by timbuk 3, thank god for silly pop songs sometimes)

there were three goodbyes

Purdie also played Ratso in 1969's "Midnight Purdie."

Fab 4: John, Purdie, George & Ringo.

Current Pope: John Purdie II

...is because Ringo was playing bass. The truth is that Ringo played bass on everything after Rubber Soul because Paul was dead. Yes, all that fabulous innovative bass playing and songwriting was done by Ringo, and because he was so much better than Paul, Paul became jealous one night and drove into a tree in a fit of rage. The fake "Paul", you know... the one who broke up the Beatles... was brought in mostly for photo shoots, until he started to think he was really "The Walrus" and alienated the rest of the band.

I will now have to be killed.

Fans of the "Sgt. Pepper... " album will note that on the album cover a couple of faces have been removed. Documented sources show that Leo Gorcey and Mohandas Ghandi were removed "post exposure", and Adolph Hitler was forced to wait stage left.

What *isn't* documented is the reason for the large space almost dead center in the top row, between Edgar Allen Poe and Fred Astaire.

That's where Bernard Purdie stood, holding his 5 figure hush money check.

I love(d) Kurt. I'm convinced that what happened to him was the result of medical and psychological conditions and not because he was a "loser." I sit and drink Pennyroyal tea.

Duncan....lithium is usually prescribed for people with bi-polar disorder, commonly referred to as manic-depressive....it's supposed to just even out the mood swings from high/low to a happy medium....I'm not familiar with it's use for post-partum depression....I would think it will greatly improve her situation if in fact that's what her problem is (bi-polar)....a girl I work with has been taking lithium for about 15 years and swears by it....anyway, good luck with the situation, guess the best thing you can do for family is to be there.

thanks angel & steviedan....went with Opti for her post-op check-up and the doc gave her a clean bill of health....one more week off of work for her...I get to go back to work tomorrow and do the three 12 hour shifts through the weekend....check back in with all you good folks Monday.

no bird shots today as we were out running errands most of the day and just laid across the bed at the sliding glass doors and watched the feeder late this afternoon....saw a very immature female cardinal still following her mama and crying for food....she was almost as big as mama but had a mottled coat and a black beak with no mask.

back to the grind....MC

Just finished "Reelin in the years" By Brian Sweet. Each chapter title is a reference to a lyric:Bodacious Cowboys, Crimson Tide,Slow Hand Row etc. But I'm stuck on 2 of them "shuffling up your downs" and "proud to be your slave" any of the experts in Dan land know what tunes they're from? Thanks.

So what your telling me is
''Hold tight the shit is realy going to hit the fan soon''

Dig deep
I Am
( holding breath long enough to come up & help familt member)

P.S. I know It's not dan based but this is my life @ the moment.
Dan before me. Dan now (present) Dan future (young Dan)
All is to be decieded here.
Bad speller
D

I was wondering if Jenna Bush drank her big Black Cow? ;)

cheers!!

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-l02.html

I love drinking & typing
love drinking & typing
I love drinking & typing
love drinking & typing
I love drinking & typing
love drinking & typing
I love drinking & typing
love drinking & typing
I love drinking & typing
love drinking & typing

p.s.

Kurt Kobain (loser) + Lithium = bang bang
(could be wrong)

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-l02.html

Please forward any info on Lithium to
graphicsys@breathemail.net

Tired Knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
D

I'm fine I'm just waiting for the the rest to catch up !!

Tired Now :(

I see you are quite familar with the gay terms, self R. But I'm not that kind of guy. Sorry to get you all riled up, ass bandit.

eLLe
'' you talkin to me''
D

Mad

Paul laid the original drum tracks for "Back in the USSR", but that during the next session two more drum tracks were laid while Paul played other instruments. This implies someone else laid the subsequent drum tracks, but doesn't say who.

Could it be... "The Hit Maker"?

t

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
What a fantasic hold on Engish & grammer I'm getting
IT's all falling into place now !!
That last mesage of mine made even me piss my pants
Duncan
Till I;m @ work & of the drink I still mean what I said about Lithium & info needed asap
D

"The Beatles Reording Sessions" with exact session info. Purdie played on two, maybe three tunes while Ringo played percussion, in the days when the rhythm section tracks were recorded live and dubbed over. But I'm purdie sure everything from Pepper on was Ringo, except "Back in the USSR" (Ringo had "quit") and "The Ballad of John and Yoko" which both were Paul on drums. I'll try to find what exact tracks they were...

ugh! I hate homework!

t

angel please send me that e-mail ASAP, we are putting together the list as we speak. I must take what I see. FYI, our singers original hard rock band "Red Zero" has its track "Trouble" featured on garageband.com as "track of the day" If you log on to garageband.com and click on the "hard rock" genre button, you will see Red Zero listed there

Please excuse spelling & grammer
I saw Neil Young @ phoenix 98 having never seen or heard of his ''stuff'' before & thought him an excellent show person (as in he played for the festival crowd ''me'' & gave a memorabale show if only to me Bloody Drugs & cheap @ that)
Ithought he was great but have sadly not bought any of the neil meister' product to this date.

Meanwhile I'm dealing with a family member who has been diagnosed with severe '' Post Partum Dipression'' & just this
week has been pre-scribed Lithium.

Should I trust a family member with a drug I myself have never tried.

Karen has all the support a loving family can give but now Linda need I need more support & info as so many G.Bs have moore time access to the internet any davice would be welcome.

P.S. should I let her stay with Linda & I drugs or no drugs.
Yes
now I'm answering my own questions .
Is this a signg of GB madness
or should I plough on
What the hell ''Blossom Hill is calling
Tomorrow
Duncan

I don't care what you think. But just for my own amusement I'm going to answer your questions. Try to keep up.

"You people make my asshole spasm on this guestbook."

Thanks for the compliment, but I think you're "cruising" the wrong site.

"Are you for real?"

Does it matter?

"I was under the impression that this is a forum for discussing Steely Dan and yet?"

You're an idiot. You were wrong. Get over it.

"I'm sure you consider yourselves very clever but would Don and Walt approve of this ridiculous chowder being spouted in the name of the Dan?"

You sure you're sure? You seem to be a stupid fuck so you 'd better check yourself. We don't need Don or Walt's "approval" anymore than they need ours. But hey, N*Sync needs your approval, so you'd better hop right over to their site. They'd *really* get your asshole spasming.

"I don't think so- but I'm sure you self-righteous fuckers don't care what I think."

Little problem with your parents ignoring you? I'd suggest you get some therapy but I don't care.

"So please resume your banality."

Thanks for your contribution.

.

To Ausupremo
Hey AUS, got your mail. Thanks a lot you're a real pal. Very much appreciated is there anything i can do for you ?
Look forward to receiving TOW.
Have a great day and may the force be with you.
The Fez

Hello to CYN, JIM ,DIF and the rest of the danners.

Wormy: New one by the CDrifters? whoo-hooo!

StevieDan: some of my best friends work in music stores...

If only he hadn't copped to all that stuff. Knowing it now has made me want to go out and raise bigger hell than GW ever did.
Pass me another Margarita!

Name: Anne Heche
six days, seven nights

Date: Thursday, May 31, 19101 at 13:33:01
Comments:

I waited for you Walter...
http://www.rollingstone.com/mv_news/newsarticle.asp?nid=13984

Yo Spinks, shut your pie hole or I will kick your ass. And another thing, I LIKE chowder.

>- but I'm sure you self-righteous fuckers don't care what I think.

Of course we do. We're here for you Leon. Tell us why you're troubled.

We're listening...

You people make my asshole spasm on this guestbook. Are you for real? I was under the impression that this is a forum for discussing Steely Dan and yet? I'm sure you consider yourselves very clever but would Don and Walt approve of this ridiculous chowder being spouted in the name of the Dan? I don't think so- but I'm sure you self-righteous fuckers don't care what I think. So please resume your banality.

when Quin the Eskimo get here..
walrus- the Ontario Police are the OPP, Ontario Provincial Police.

does anyone remember the Canadian band Max Webster- guitarist Kim Mitchell? He usually wore an OPP baseball hat.

BTW- Neil Young won the Juno Award for Best Male Artist this year. ; ) Canada's equivalent to the Grammy's

Stal, a few questions, based on your 5/30 post:

1) Did I understand you to say you considered some us friends?
2) Would that include those of us in the vast, treeless, cow-infested land directly south of you too?
3) Can we have a slumber party next week and do that thing with the Nixon statuette and the cocktail sauce again?

Thanks,
mW

The Fez in Australia: Hey...I bought you a copy of Mr. Beckers 11 Tracks of Whack. It will be posted into our United States Postal service today...so, however long it takes for the mail to travel to you is when you should be getting your hot little hands on the compact disc. Let me know when you get it.

Topsoilantmoist-n-slitheryone: Thanks for colour on re-released Krimso trio. Haven't bucked up to add to burgeoning Krimso collection but it sounds like I should.

LadyBaySide: Have fun at LBB tonight. I spoke with Malc late last night...all's well. BTW..NMN dropped by UBS...busy and in good spirits.

Shouts to: StevieDan, JuJuPriestess supreme, CaraMiaMarsha, FloriDavid and Aja (wannabe dominatrix)...

AusSupremo

It's P-U-R-D-I-E, George. Spelling mistakes are often made when the author has never met the person in question.

www.bernardpurdie.com

hey dif- my hubby went to the University of Winnepeg and Neil lived in Winnepeg at the time.(Fall of '72) He was invited to a party and Neil was going to be there. He decided not to go that night...probably,he says,it was a gazillion below zero weather outside, or he was tripping at the time, ( he can't remember). The party-goers were some people from the Royal Winnepeg Ballet Company,various artists,a bunch of University locals, who knew Neil and invited him. During the party a girl who had known Neil a long time said to him, " After all these years I would have thought that would have changed, but you're still the same old asshole!" Later hubby met up and the lot of them talked about that very subject. hehee

...with dreams comfort memories to spare
and in my mind, I still need a place to go
all my changes were there....

Just got done watching VH1's Cheers and Jeers special for this year so far. Not Surprisingly Eminem got cheers for the Grammys.

Critics said that Eminem was bringing a message of "tolerance.?"
Man, they were really sucking up to him.

But, according to a VH1 poll, 2VN beat Eminem's crap CD by only 1% 31% to 30% for CD most deserving to win a Grammy for best
album.

Even the Superbowl halftime show got Cheers? Huh? A cheer for
an overexposed band like N'Sync trying to hog up the stage with Aerosmith. Ray Charles should have got the cheers for America the Beautiful.

Even the R&R Hall of Fame got Cheers which was okay.

Toni Braxton and Bjork got jeers. No need to tell you why.

But Steely Dan winning the poll by a less than slim margin.
Scary, huh?

Edd- It's P-u-r-d-i. And yes, he was the fifth Beatle!

i would like to add neil young to the gb list of names of those artists without a modicum of professionalism.
the concert,in support of the "harvest" album was billed as an 'electric evening with neal and his(then)band'.
young opened the show by himself with an acoustic guitar and in the middle of the third song indignantly left the stage never to return,uttering something like "i am not a fucking nickelodeon..."
it seemed that poor neil couldn't understand a few of the concertgoers insensitivities towards him and his solo acoustic set list.
to this day when i hear his whining and snivilling voice, i think back to that summer night that made for an angry and disappointing time in the life of a 15 year old boy.

everybody, everybody knows...
dif

This reeks of "urban legend". Everyone knows "someone", or has "heard from someone", but so far second/third/nth -hand reports are all we have.

When Ringo was 9 years old he was kidnapped in the Liverpool mall. After sealing all the entrances, the police searched high and low. They found him in the women's room. His abductors had already cut and dyed his hair and were dressing him as a little girl...

Bernard Perdie sat in for him in class until his hair grew back.

Fladavid- That's the true story.It's also what I've heard. Thanks for clearing it up. Purdie is Legit!

Fladavid- That's the true story.It's also what I've heard. Thanks for clearing it up. Purdie is Legit!

Jimmy Nichol replaced Ringo for part of a tour in the 60's while Ringo had some medical problem (appendicitis?).

He says he earned $1200 for his efforts.

Perdie, of course, earned at least 10 times that amount for some anonymous overdubs that were done in a lead-lined room.

Good morning all,

Just wanted to stop by and extend an invitation, since YGK doesn't seem to be doing so...

Tycoon Dog, with whom our very own YGK plays, is playing at Le Bar Bat *tonight*...a nice Happy Hour early show...7-9pm. Knowing Pete Fogel, they will go on promptly, so do not be late if you want to see their entire set.

The band sounds great, Malcolm's got great chops, and it will be fun. Those of you who made the HOF Danfest know what a great club LBB is, and it would be great to see any of the NY/NJ contingent. I'm certainly looking forward to it.

NMN: where've you been hiding...oh, wait, that's me. Hope all's well.

Altamira: I think I arrived after you left, but I am so sorry for your loss. Losing a furry family member is terrible. Welcome back, btw.

Cyn: congraduations! I hope things were wonderful yesterday evening. Quite the occasion.

I hope to see some of the locals tonight. Aus, I know you can't make it. Shame...

Enjoy the day, everyone. Being unemployed has its benefits. I'm just going to hang out and enjoy the weather--and try not to let the panic overwhelm me.

LadyB

It's a known fact that Bernie Purdie was in London in the early 60's. This is a guy who played with Aretha Franklin on the Big Hits as well as many others artists.George Martin was well Aquainted with his work. In Drum circles it's said that Bernard played drums on some of the Beatles Demos as well as Tamborine and other percussives while masters were tracked. Ringo was a popular London Drummer with Rory Storm before he was in the Beatles. That's why they wanted him....he was a Local Celebrity
with Fans of his own. Ringo had lot's of live Gig experience but Bernard was an American Studio Pro. George Martin bought Ringo an Education in Studio work by having Bernie around for some of the sessions.

Either that or Dylan shared some good shit with them that first time, eh? Or all that LSD awoke ringo's tribal techno brain maybe?

Oh Pretty Drums
Only Purdie Does
Oh Pretty Ditty
Old Paul Digs...

Is there any supporting evidence to Perdie's claim? Is there any record of someone other than Perdie who can substantiate the claim?

I'm not getting into a pissing contest over whether Ringo (or Paul) did or didn't have the chops to do the parts.

gee

how about a juicy little run at the Purdy / Beatles connection

lets see, the Patch on McCartney's Sgt Pepper sleeve OPD
isn't "Officially Pronounced Dead" or "Ontario Police Dept"
but "Ongoing Purdy Dilema"

that was Purdies volkswagon on the Abbey Road cover

any others Blaze?

wt

Edd - In your dreams Ringo could pull some of these grooves and fills that populate the Beatles studio output in the later years. I have to doubt that story even more. If not Purdie, then someone with a similar level of expertise and feel. Ringo? Nah...

It would appear the only person who remembers Purdie playing on any Beatles sessions would be Purdie himself.

If you dig into it only slightly, it starts to smell like a boatload of crap. A $10K (MINIMUM!) "bonus" in 1963 to stay quiet? $130/hr double rate session fees? That seems like an ungodly amount of money for the time. Overdubs of 20+ songs *before* anything was released in the US?

Purdie might be quite the story teller...

Good morning all....

I have a friend who is into the Beatles. The other day, out of the blue, he asks me about Bernard Purdie, knowing I had just seen him play in New York. As the conversation continues, he tells me that Purdie says that he played on some of the Beatles stuff and that no one ever knew. So I gave him some of my Dan stuff, including Home at Last and Babylon Sisters. His first comment to me was about that Hi Hat thing going on at the top of BS. Ended up listening to the CD's the whole weekend. He gets Making Aja next. :-)

Steviedan: You have been missed. I understand your wife's hating the independent contractor angle, but sometimes it can work out for the best. Good luck, whatever you do.
Rose Darling.....interesting choice. Would love to hear you play it.

Blaise: I am confused. I don't remember dissing the RLJ site. As a matter of fact, it is quite nice.

Good day all....

My friend....

Clas, I think the slight shift in tempo on I Got The News is simply the result of the human body's natural limitations. Steve Gadd must have been wearing the tight pant that were popular at the time (it was the seventies)and every time he had to double hit the bass drum rapidly and keep it up for a few measures, he'd gain a fraction of a second. That's my theory. A machine would make it seemless and dull. It sounds more alive like that with an all too human live drummer, I think.

hey Stevie D is back
been pulling for you on the new job end
strings and things sounds interesting
thanks for the Bill Evans nods
I have a Jap import of the Riverside Green Dolphin Street disc with Philly Joe Jones - tasty stuff
you should do record reviews more often

New Continental Drifters Cd out next week
Release party monday in New Orleans
they will be out on tour on the westcoast next week
Aja - a heads up for San Diego Wednesday June 6th
may be on a bill with the Bangles?
http://www.continentaldrifters.com

hey Blaise - Purdy on the WHite Album? humm pur haps
I thought the Get Back sessions were all video taped
I can hear some of the elements you speak of
McCartney hit the skins on a few tunes himself

love the way Bernard explains his shuffle to Home At Last on the making of Aja video. When he starts playing double time and then singing along bop bop do te boppi de bop classic stuff

even funnier is Don and Walt telling the Purdy sessions story
clearly Don is saying alot with what he's not saying
yet his admiration is genuine

ever wonder if Skunk and Denny got the same meticulous try it again treatment that the hired session players endured?

Auss - hope the new assignment is treating you well
I had picked up those 80's Crimson discs
the remasters are nice and a few bonus cuts
but the Abscent Lovers live rendering seems to eclipse the studio efforts at times

took a glance at Brian Sweet's SD book in the bookstore last week

He mentions a Fagen tune "Heartbreak Memoir", I think it was Gaucho era, that they shelved because it was a little out of Donald's range

has this surfaced anywhere?

I always liked the fact that Donald never really showboated his voice but left the few vocal dynamics to Michael McDOnald and a myriad of female vocalists. Certainly substance over flair

wt

I'm ready to cross that fine line

Yes Howard - What I find amazing in Purdie's shuffled intro on BS, is the fact that the bass drum and hi-hat action, presenting kind of an hesitation dance, really finds a resounding resolution with just the hit on the snare rim. It sounds as big as hitting the skin itself squarely. This guy's a natural with accents. And the way he handles the tom fills clearly gives creedance to the rumor that this guy played on the Beatles White Album, at least. Exact same style. No doubt in my mind.
Get back, Strawberry Fields (!)... the mind reels.

Clas - yes, the nore you look at the BSisters chords, the more unlikely they seem. There's a lot of odd stuff going on, yet - as you say - it somehow seems to twist and flow in a very pleasing and natural way.

As for Purdie sounding "shaky" ... he sounds pretty damn fine to me on this one! I still can't quite get my head round what happens a few bars into the first verse ("... to the sea") - he starts up this soft triplet-ish snare and hi-hat thing. Can never quite follow it, just know it sounds great.

Howard

it is Tribal Tech and it ain't techno music, doll!
it's hardcore fusion of the wildest intense kind, electric guitars along with some mean BAD stuff to boost it into orbit LOL
very very very well produced!!!!!

Scott Henderson - Guitars
Gary Willis - Bass
Scott Kinsey - Keys
Kirk Covington - Drums

Jiminy Crock

angel - I have never complained publicly about that. It's her site and it's mighty fine the way it is. Besides, if stuff is added means she's alive and well, and yes, we were wondering.

Like we were for steviedan. Yo! The only one I'll let defend Max Martin and tribal techno w/o having the urge to flame to smithereens because he could most likely defend it in a rational manner. I don't know how he would do it yet, but I have faith there is a rationale behind it that somehow makes them pertinent. When Max Martin finally makes enough dough, maybe his obvious intimate knowledge of groove and melody can be used to better ends is what I'm sayin'.

Like Clas said exactly: "They are making music for kids. And are doing it just for the money. Being an adult and writing imbecile music, kind of lowering yourself, is also some kind of intellectual pedofili." And I would add it's like stealing the kids's lunch money or allowance like a clever pied piper would and also, no doubt, a chance at an evening alone with Britney every six months to "write with" her.

There"s a little nip in the air today in the UK.

stevieDan - good luck with your new job, if you take it.

"due to the large heaps of american dollars piled around them, they can't hear your complaint..."

Who's said anything about complaining? They are making music for kids. And are doing it just for the money. Being an adult and writing imbecile music, kind of lowering yourself, is also some kind of intellectual pedofili.

And besides, in Sweden we're still using Kronor and …ren = SEK.

C

Howard - isn't it kind of rare, apropos Babylon Sisters, a song is beginning in F# - B and the refrain is in Dm - Eb - F?

And all those Santa Ana-chords progressions in-between, and it all sounds so damn natural, kind of obvious. Great music.

I listened to the original recording from Gaucho yesterday, I was surprised over the left-ed angle, the sound-picture; the reggea-guitar at 9-a-clock (left), the drums/bass in the middle, the Rhodes in the middle (or at 1-a clock), it weights a lot over to the left (the intro that is).

And Purdies playing, nowdays when I listen to Babylon Sisters, he makes me worried, he's kind of shaky, or is it me, listening to too much sequenced stuff thru the late 80's and the 90's?

---

Felix - me being praised? I don't think so buddy, go figure.

C

oh well, i guess that's tacit approval for me to transcribe this album review:

pete huttlinger- "naked pop"

"naked pop" is just that - a collection of pop tunes delivered on a solo acoustic guitar by pete huttlinger, a former john denver and alan jackson sideman, and a former national fingerpicking champion. huttlinger tackles a diverse range of formidable tunes - such as STEELY DAN'S "JOSIE", the jackson five's "i want you back", and stevie wonder's "sir duke" - with an intimate, natural acoustic tone, and his arrangements vary from relatively straightforward readings to more elaborate dressings that showcase his astounding musicality and chops. as a listener, you will never find yourself missing any of the tunes' bass lines, melodies, or horn stabs - huttlinger has them covered, and he makes it all sound painfully easy. just in case you're not impressed yet, "naked pop" contains an unlisted bonus track that has huttlinger reeling off cascades of impossible runs, country double-stops, and an amazing display of all-around fingerstyle mastery. scary stuff."

re rlj
she was here in my town last year. my pardner, he was enraged by her attitude and lack of respect for where she was and for whom she was performing. this seemed to be the general throughout the hall vibe - lots of radio and music folk hosting and in attendance.

i, on the other vibe, was enchanted, having always loved her music and her way with it.

we were visiting this again last night. i still have no recollection of the mean and beyond bitchy thing that some others got last summer - i'll see her again some day and maybe or not she'll put that out for me to see, too. i'm just glad i experienced what i did/do.

did somebody mention fripp, who,on the other hand, is a whole different animal? reserved, quiet and rather standoffish. very present. hugely funny and warm at the same time. very comfortable, methinks, in his skin. he's tight sharpshooter, but loose. rlj's a loose cannon, just wound a little tight, maybe.

somewhere in the middle, there's a dannish kind of moment.

so sorry about your kitty, altamira.

grackles rock. funnybirds.

luv,
fred

circumcISION

end of disckussion !

... for the first time in a long time but i have become obsessed with this employment thing. i am considering a position teaching viols/strings and percussion at a large music store, this being something i had not considered until the management of the store began roping me into it. now it seems like a possible coming home and epiphany, if not a super lucrative one. getting paid to improve my chops is not sounding bad, but my wife hates the independent contractor angle. i'm feeling the "mr. holland syndrome". lisa g and z need to talk me out of it...

blaise, you did get me ! i've managed to keep up. i'll now resort to the ever-irritating stream of consciousness style to promote brevity:

stranger. kitty margolis. album. evolution. i've said it before...

max martin and company can write catchy pop songs. that's their job and they do it well and you can't stand it. fair enough. unfortunately, due to the large heaps of american dollars piled around them, they can't hear your complaint...

am i too late for the circumcism discussion ?

DAMN !

gina, tribal tech is BAD !!!

angel, the dan tunes that we attempt are "hey nineteen" (most often), "rikki", "dr. wu", and (least often) "rose darling".

aja, i do remember the marvin g and various soul threads and we can do 'em again anytime.

z, lenny breau/art tatum dna could not be contained, rendering it impractical.

it has been nice to see roy, skully, alta, aus, hutch weighing in...

but where the hell is ole ? kd ? miz d ? where the hell ?

jjflash is "steviedan rookie of the week".

wormy, did i ever advise on the bill evans metal box ? that is the complete verve recordings. i would recommend getting a cd or two from his various periods. the verve stuff would not be as essential to me as the riverside label stuff. depends on how much you want to spend of course. for riverside get "live at the village vanguard" or "everybody digs...". for verve era, try the grammy winning "conversations with myself". a personal fave on warner bros. would be "affinity" with toots thielemans. or just get it all and get it over with.

mc, how's opti ?

alta/dave/edd, the thyroid thing sounds like like my old 21 year old bartok. that, his heart arrhythmia, general dementia, failing kidneys, deafness... take your pick. he can still jump up to the top of any furniture he is not welcome on and is still a worthy adversary. he seems totally comfortable and possibly immortal. i think he has taken up howling lessons as well.

howling reminds me of fiona apple. she does the whole "i-can't-hear-myself-throw-down-the-mike-and-walk-off" schtick also. that jacket doesn't look good on anyone.

good to be back...

Beautiful day in L.A....

Crazy Zee: Congratulations on getting one of them onto Oleander's site. As Blaise and I have often said recently, it ain't easy. Though we keep trying..... :-)

Ole: Speaking of your site, I like the fact that you can now click onto some of the songs to find out their interpretations. Is that a new feature? I noticed it on Aja and Gaucho. Saves me scrolling. You seem to indicate that you may stay with earthlink. Good luck whatever you do.

Felix: I too have met several people who post on this Guest Book and have found them all to be very nice people. Why can't we care if they have problems (to a certain degree of course).

dif and Craigster: Sorry I had to go. I was having a good time with you both. Hopefully, we will connect again. :-)

Blaise: Too much, my man.... I would get fired if I was checking out that stuff at work.... lol

Midnight Cruiser: Cool Zildjian tour. I never knew that it meant cymbalsmith in Armenian. Is Opti feeling better?

W1P: Still working on it. Will e you.

Aussie: Sorry to hear you and Chere did not manage to connect. Going anywhere cool? I miss my faithful narrator....

Good night all....

Midnight Cruiser....

gee i dunno, recently i've started tolike ellem ore than scyn, but goes back rand froth hatemboth but it gina and blaise are beter bpeple even felix is better classis wayway better than syn and ell altamirea is better tooeven lp nonot reallly actul;l;y i like al morethse sdaysamongtehbetters

oh yeah! by Weather Report on Heavy Weather hehe

6/2 Which One's Pink? (dragged down by the stone) & Sheer Heart Attack (my new purple shoes been amazin the people next door) at LA's Troubadour. Any angeleno GBers coming?

Cruiser, great little article on manufacturing cymbals there. Leon is my man.

I got one too but it's in French. I translated the part about The Making Of Gaucho in Surround Sound but there's also details shared about his recording history with Steely Dan, which dates back to the Royal Scam.
Anyway, it's here, have fun:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/fernould/scheiner.html

Elliot Scheiner on mixing Gaucho in multi-channel DTS 5.1

ÇNobody really knows the true possibilities of this format.
the members of the band (Steely Dan) let me do what I wanted. They came to listen everyday and in the end, they were very pleased with the results.
I did things that were quite unusual: I think that 5.1 is really meant to surround, immerse the listener in the music, not only
not only to send reverbs and some backdrop effects while remaining stereo in front.
Consequently, most of the time, I would bring the rythm section upfront, but the horns
and backing vocals permanently in the back... It's rather clever: sometimes, certain elements
I don't know what to with in a stereo mix, that I have to bring very low in the mix
: in Surround, I always find a place for it somewhere
and make it heard! As far as lead vocals are concerned, I evidently bring them in the central channel
, but also left and right. Some do it like in films: voice in the middle, that's it.
I find that it sounds artificial. On top of that, the listeners can then
listen to the vocals exclusively when they cancel out the other channels
of his amp, - and I don't think that's very nice.È.

hello, just discovered a new band out of London, a duo who call themselves"samuel purdey" not unlike our heroes, a mix of jazz, rock and mellow riffs courtesy of Elliot Randall no less, just thought id share that with you all.
is there gas in the car?.

not slamming Ricki. I know she is a great artist. I'm listening to "Naked Songs" as I type. Hey, for some it takes a strong stomach, but I dig it. I guess it all comes down to the mighty buck. If I'm laying down some good hard earned money to "hear" good music, I don't want to "see" bullshit. Professionalism is part of the gig, at least I expect it from her, maybe not Keith Richards.

concert season is kinda slow.

takes the newbie hat and sits in the corner for making a double post

Zildjian Factory Tour:

http://www.marsmusic.com/store/zildjian/factory_tour/index.jhtml?gen45=zim

see, no birds that time. *hehehe*

Zildjian Factory Tour:

http://www.marsmusic.com/store/zildjian/factory_tour/index.jhtml?gen45=zim

see, no birds that time. *hehehe*

ok, if you're really bored *or* have a really fast broadband connection you can check out:

http://www.geocities.com/virginiabirder/Bunting.mov

***WARNING*** This file is 11 megs and will take quite some time to download....requires QuickTime plug-in for viewing .mov files.

I promise folks, after tomorrow I won't be doing nearly as many bird posts....thanks for your indulgence.

Edd....thanks for the Bravo on Best Bunting!

Altamira....now if I can just get him on film! (the pileated pecker)

Jim , You heard right on the Joe J rumour , a abunch of us used to go and see him regularly when Look Sharp came out and if no one was paying attention he used to stop and say " if you dont want to listen to me then F**k Off , very up front but I used to like that because if the didn"T stop Fu**ing aroun he used to tell the doorman to throw them out.

Top Guy JJ.

Midnite--You were most fortunate to have a pileated woodpecker in your yard; they are impressive birds. I've seen two of them, both in Virginia--one at Fort Belvoir and one at Potomac Lookout Park.

Hutch--Thanks; it's good to hear from you. I'm glad your cat had such a long life.

Gina--Regarding silence during classical music concerts, one thing to consider is that classical music has a wide volume range. When the volume is at its lowest, any sound coming from the audience would make it nearly impossible to hear the music.

No one here can love and understand me,
Oh what hard luck stories they all hand me.

Make my bed and light the light
I'll arrive late tonight,
bye bye blackbird

Hey everybody!

BirdLand aka Edd, Midnite Cruiser, et alia: Enjoying the different bird spotting (no pun intended)reports...very nice. Last night on the PBS 13 there was a segment entitled:The Living Edens: Costa Rica, Land of Pure Life. It was hardcore. The diversity of birdlife in those jungles was simply out of this world incredible. If you get the chanse definitely tune in...worth every second, and the footage was first class.

Chere: Sorry we missed each other sweetie. Still nice to make you laugh and smile on the portable blaster from Las Olas sipping on lime laden rhum potables. Will have to make triple sure it happens on our next sortie...

Floridavid: Nice hook up last night brother. Keep on jammin that bone! And leg up..lol.

Wormianwonderwurm: Yes. Robert Fripp's writings are as intense as his music. I always enjoy those....btw: I received a postcard mailer blast from the good folks at DGM Mobile: they're re-releasing King Crimson's concept trio discs (Discipline, Beat, TOAPP)with new liner notes (From Fripp) new unrealeased pictures and a bunch of other goodies....I think the discs are also digitally re-mastered..just an FYI heads up.

NMN: Nice to have you, albeit briefly, at the office digs today. One hundred billion (holding pinky to corner of mouth) thank yous for the musical goodie. Who's better than you?? Must reconvene asap for rhum delights plus.

NegativeGirl: Communication breakdown. Wha happen baybee? Beep me on my beepa numba ah-ite?

LadyBaySide: Can't make Malcolm's gig tomorrow night at LBB ..read email for details.

Daddy and LisaG: Heeeeey! Yankee Stadium soon? For laughs, goofs, hotdogs and beers in the sun? Eblast and advise pleeeze.

Been cranking on Lee Morgan :Infinity lately. Smoldering.

more later.

Aus

Hold on, bucko-time to say the words."
I closed my eyes and said the words:
Dildo, dildo, for up my fan,
Will you thrill like Steely Dan?
"Good boy," she said. "Continue."
"Yes, my liege. Thank you, my liege." I nodded the dildo in reverence."
http://www.pifmagazine.com/vol18/weem.shtml

I found Steely Dan in the bedsheets,
with blood and stuff from both places on it. I never use it
down behind, and I never use it when the batteries are dead,
like they've been since Sunday. My hands are down there
covering up, making safe, with the strength back in them,
too late.
http://lubakmetyk.hispeed.com/others/benway/cat.txt

While he was gone, I went inside and took off all my clothes. I strapped on "Steely Dan," our strap-on dildo, and had an "erection" as soon as my SO walked in the door. It was a little difficult getting Steely Dan up my lovers ass. I think he would have preferred another enema.
http://www.speculumpages.com/Page3/Enema_Adventure.html

"Anyway, Dr. Wu is where we send girls who really a need a wake-up call. OK, not girls. So far it's only been one girl. Tara O'Hara. She was two years ago. One week a nice, normal high school girl, the next week, a total wreck. I hear she's a crack whore now in Dallas, giving blow jobs for $25 a pop.
http://www.giffer.com/stories/hetro/toytif08.htm

"She gave me a final lick and traded my rapidly softening tool for Henry's Steely Dan."
http://www.storypost.com/story.phtml?storyname=x14.html

"Speed bumps and her
favorite appliance -- we'll just call it "Steely Dan" -- were her
favorite combination when she was, um, tooling around the city."
http://www.jump.net/~pkrouse/humor/original/may_bfd

Oleander -- I noticed you included my my interpretation of Babylon Sisters on the "Deconstruct" site but not my comments on Rikki. Is there a reason?

Bye Bye Birdie!

re: MC "Best Bunting"

BRAVO!!

P.S. Cyn
We're of on the big bird to costa-del-sol Marbella
So roll on the 15th

Anyone know who did the merchandising for 2VN Europe as my muched loved but seldom seen t shirt has srunk to the ''size of a mouse'' Shazamm!!!
Duncan

( I love my cats & all this talk is now starting to freak me out )

optimized at 1024x768 for your desktop wallpaper:

http://www.geocities.com/virginiabirder/BestBunting.jpg

it's 200k so don't look if you don't want to.

An interview with Aja, a dominatrix:
http://www.peepingmoe.com/ajaholics/interview2.htm

hey St. Al, hadn't seen your posting yet, haha, i am not going to get into it anymore, i know it is unprofessional to walk out of a concert or at least when it appears to be like that .. it's circumstances, she cancelled a gig in Paris because she was tired. i would have understood if she had cancelled the entire european tour because she wasn't feeling that well or up to it.
she's a strange and peculiar person but her music makes up for it, or includes that.
it's safer to love the music of Steely Dan, because they don't play live for years and then decide to go out there after all, that's great for the fans!!!
we don't always get what we want. nor an artist nor the audience.
and you can take it either way, stick with it or not.
RLJ's concerts aren't always good, so i've heard. but most of her audience remains loyal anyway ..

enough already :-)
there are circumstances that don't really make up an excuse for some of her behaviour, but it is who she is anyhow.
flaunt the imperfection, wasn't that China Crisis?

Felix -- Who says we're strangers? I've met many of the people that post on this GB and consider them friends. You certainly have a right to your opinion, but you're wrong in assuming some of us don't care.

Edd....I wondered about the young grackle possibility but the all black eyes threw me....guess I'd just never seen a young 'un.

yeah, the pileated woodpecker did look like a red headed Kramer! Shirl went and got the binoculars and we were able to watch him for about 5 minutes before he got bored and moved on into the woods....I need to load up my A1 with a roll of film and the 400mm lens in case he comes back....the red bellied peckers are fairly common here and occasionally come up to the feeder but not very often....we've also got a couple varieties of hawk that land in the backyard on occasion that I want to photograph....the coolpix is the best for the feeder shots but I'm gonna have to rely on the Canon for the shots in the trees....still have most of today and all of tomorrow before I'm back to work so maybe I can get some unusual stuff before then....time to empty the compact flash card and get back so the Citizen box set and the camera.

oh great, we're entering the Faces of Death zone, albeit (nice word btw) a non-director's cut :-))
having your pets cremated and save in pottery to keep on your piano or mantelpiece .. they make for nice percussion instruments, could it be their teeth in there ..

Felix, we shouldn't make fun of you and respect your feelings as well, right? it's not the same, i realize, but Darwin's law sometimes isn't all that prehistoric. we have a lifetime to grow and get stronger or die on international television, hm ..well, not humans "yet". saw an orang oetan mom and her baby die.
the film makers didn't intervene, so weird in a way, for they marked the fact there weren't that many orang oetans anymore. evolution, nature? on Sumatra there's a safehouse where young orang oetans are taken, abandoned by people who had them as pets and wanted to get rid of the animals when they became a nuisance. some were even beaten and that's real real sad.
one orang oetan covered the back of his head all the time with his hands, each time one of the volunteers reached out for him to take him somewhere else. that is sooo sad.

if i see my neighbour have an argument with his wife and they're calling names and throwing furniture around, am i allowed to interfere? should i assume the worst? am i capable of judging the situation? is it an incident or has it occurred more often? has the police ever been involved ? should i call the police right now?

notorious is a word related to the public, the audience, the receptive party, general opinion. a consumer's idiom.
and consumer's don't really care but to see their needs fullfilled. they find ways for gratification, one way or another. ofcourse with a little help from those who feed. one way or another as well. hm.
it's also a matter of humiliation, also a consumer's idiom. often emotions filled in for someone else. if one calls another names, the other party must feel bad about it. so you feel bad or humiliated for that person instead. anyway, :-))
just blathing away i guess!
listening to classical music requires a silent audience, even a repressed cough is enough to arouse annoyance. it is funny, the way things differ in popconcerts, small venues, big etc. etc.
cultural differences? is classical music of more meaning than pop? i'm just thinking out loud here, no points yet to be made, if ever ..
i remember people getting annoyed because some started dancing during Steely Dan concerts. "Love & Kisses" Diane took great pride in starting the thread on the GB back in those days, i remember that as well .. even in one audience people can differ, yet they all came to enjoy the same band, Steely Dan. each in a way that suited best ..

some can do whatever they want and i won't change my mind about them. RLJ is one of those people. it's her essence i know. some people alter through life stages, some grow and some live bewildered lives. not up to their potential. some live safe lives. no highs, no lows. safe in the middle of the road. ah well, never understood that one, for if you really are in the middle of the road you get hit by any car or truck coming from both directions, right??

off, words to blather, great idea Blaise.
G.

Gina -- though I understand your argument it's still no excuse for walking out on a concert. I can almost understand the tongue lashing she gave those 2 inconsiderate schmucks, however, walking out on your fans mid-stream is, well, just plain unprofessional. This type of action puts her in the same class as Axl Rose, and we all know Rickie has more class.

MC - I've got to believe your mystery bird is a juvenile... grackle.

I've dug around and that's all that fits. The closest alternative was a Brewer's Blackbird, but they have pale eyes. Grackles also have pale eyes, except for the juveniles. That big honking schnozola on your mystery bird just doesn't match with any other black bird of that approximate size *except* a grackle.
(Common Crow would be a much bigger bird.)

http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/Photo/Images/h5110pi.jpg

I've yet to see a pileated woodpecker. I thought I might have had one last week, as there was a raucous bird out back alternating between calling and drumming. I grabbed the binoculars and found the source. T'was a red-bellied woodpecker. A nice "catch", but no pileated!

For those unfamiliar with these birds, they're sort of the crow-sized "Kramer" of the bird world.

http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/Photo/Images/h4050pi.jpg

Floridadavid: investigate chronic renal failure or CRF. Very common in older cats and weight loss one sign (a few simple blood results also another way to diagnose). Cats can live a good while with good quality after diagnosis with the proper care . Mine had CRF from age 18 - 21. see http://www.felinecrf.com/

* If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on
your back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep ...
you are richer than 75% of this world.

* If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and
spare change in a dish someplace ... you are among the
top 8% of the world's wealthy.

* If you woke up this morning with more health than
illness ... you are more blessed than the million
whowill not survive this week.

* If you have never experienced the danger of battle,
the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture,
or the pangs of starvation ...you are ahead of
500million people in the world.

* If you can go to the places without fear of
harassment,arrest,torture, or death ... you are more
blessed than three billion people in the world.

* If you hold up your head with a smile on your face
and are truly thankful... you are blessed because the
majority can, but most do not.

* If you can hold
someone's hand, hug them or even
touch them on the shoulder... you are blessed because
you can offer healing touch.

*If you can read this
message, you just received a
double blessing in that someone was thinking of you,
and furthermore, you are more blessed than over two
billion people in the world that cannot read at all.

If there is no light at the end of the tunnel go down and switch one on!

"Xander's attention was dragged to the dildo. "What's that?."
"That's Steely. I'll bet you'd like to stick him to Spike right about now, wouldn't you?" She asked.
"I don't know what you're talking about," he said, his eyes devouring the dildo."
http://www.internettrash.com/users/raswain/souls.htm

keep loading those bird feeders

it keeps them buzzards away from us juicy worms

lets see

the artist and the fan base
what's close and what's too close

Personally I think Don and Walt keep a healthy distance
an occasional wiff of their wonderful humour on the ODP is enough
it was nice when Walter logged in from the road more often (96)
but I'd rather have him less accessible if it's less stressful

Suzanne Vega writes in to the fan base Undertow mailing list from time to time. she also has an arrangement when she's touring that those on her list can chat with the sound engineer and get access backstage to meet her. Probably ends up in too many ackward photo opps but she does reach out

King Crimson has an enviable (at times too exhaustive) set of diaries and available "bootleg" collectors live offerings. You also get first hand accounts of the recording process. HOwever many of the comments on a fan based Elephant Talk digest from fans of the 73-74 lineup have been rather critical of the 80's - 90's version of the band and especially Adrian Belew. So much so that he wrote a song Prozac Blues that is a depressing look at the artist getting weighed down by the critics. And Robert Fripp wo is an eloquent statesman via his diaries and spend hours digressing, is almost totally unapproachable in public

seems a little distance for the muse from the medium is a good thing

wt

saw my first pileated woodpecker ever today....heard him before I saw him and what a bizarre call....he's huge and quite striking....no pics though, he didn't come near the feeder.

still no clue as to what the mystery bird was yesterday.

If a cat has nine lives.....How many is Felix down to?

ps..Roy Rogers had Trigger stuffed...I saw him (Trigger)in 64' at the RR museum in California. Being a good judge a horseflesh...he didn't look all that bad.

"Steely Dan are named for a dildo in a Burroughs novel. With cyclic inspiration, I named my blue jelly vibrator Deacon Blue, after a line in a Steely Dan song. It's sort of a "life imitates art imitating art" thing."
http://blather.newdream.net/d/dildo.html

Yes Felix, aren't we humans the most inconsistent ever?
Among animals it's a lot more honest.
They just rip your heart out if you trespass!
If you're lucky.

Feliz Na Vida

" I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown"

Hutch- You're right. Ed, I'm sorry for telling you to relax and have a smoke.

I just think it's a little wierd that some people feel the need to come on here and poor there hearts out to complete strangers. I mean, having to let us know what you're are doing with your dead animal or telling us that your wife has been "puking her guts out" is something I think you should keep to yourself or to your shrink. It doesn't mean I'm not normal if I disagree or feel the need to come on here and talk about my feelings towards these subjects. Clas comes on here and says a lot more fucked up things then I've said and he gets praised. Go figure.

so let's me make sure i'm getting your point gina: if an artist or group is REALLY good, it is acceptible to exhibit the kind of bratty behavior rlj is notorious for? i think that's a crock of dung.

Alta - It's great to have you back! I'm very sorry to hear about your cat's passing. I had a little black cat named Jet who lived to be eighteen. After so many years together it's very hard when you have to say goodbye.

Felix - Sensitivity, compassion and tolerance are things you learn when you become an adult. Maybe you'll learn these things one day but, to tell you the truth, I doubt it. Telling Edd to have a smoke puts you in a very special category of fools. You really should be ashamed of yourself. I think you owe him an apology.

for it speaks for itself this is no issue at all at her own PLP :-)

there is a difference in hosting a website being a fan or hosting a site being the subject of fandom. the ODP or official Steely Dan site contains lots of material on the group or founders but less emails from the fans and yes, no doubt the amount of fans is bigger and fan initiatives like St.Al's take away any neccesity for Steely Dan to have a forum or discussion corner of their own on their website.
if they had, i wonder if they would allow personal insults or low rank dissing in a medium which presents them to the world. and yes, i would have thought twice before removing any of those postings because, as you said, nobody really cared or wanted to kiss off listening to RLJ's music and this censorship but the ones who never even were real fans to begin with. but then again, freedom of speech and censorship has already dug its own grave on numerous occasions, kind of a matter balancing or tipping scales i guess .. i doubt whether there's a wrong and right in all of this ..
and RLJ being closer to her fans is not a marketing strategy .. this observation forwarded by your natural scepticism or "not saying yes until proven otherwise" scientific angle looking at things and therefore not held against ya, Blaise :-))

Yes, it's not Donald Fagen's style and no-one will ever expect him to socialize or get more than "appreciate it" and yes, Walter Becker does thank the loyal fandom each time there's a public appearance and that's part of why his work or talent or end of the craftsmenship SD shows more life and genuine tangible substances in it than Donald Fagen's work who travels using concepts and perfected ideas which results in good and brilliant music just the same .. i guess that's why Sun Mountain is dear to me in a way because it shows a Donald Fagen pure in his essence, the fragile voice & singing, only the piano ..

and the reason why SD for many years never went on stage to perform live, was because their perfected ideas of how their music should sound would never meet their standards live .. RLJ is trying to do so anyway in spite of her mood swings or unease feelings.
to some folks music is just entertainment and not related to emotions or changes in life, the music of RLJ has helped many people who had difficult times in their lives accept who they are or find a place of their own, in this light she was a "therapist" before this line of work was drained because it became trendy. the "counceling" bug that started in North-America, i think?
some things are sheer entertainment, some things have a little more impact than a high that lasts for a few hours. some music is cerebral, some is heartfelt and endearing. interesting to try and find the variety in levels, listening to any music for that matter ..

aahh, off now and i really really like the boobies, their blue peddle-like feet, amazing!!!

the underwaterworld a real beautiful world as well, any deepsea divers among us to vouch for that????

Banyan Tree Sub Marinated Bow,
G.

Good morning all....

Edd: Who would have thought it would be you.

Howard: Yeah, the Greek festival almost made me want to change my ethnic backround. :-)

Blaise: Any interesting hits today. LOL

About performers. Be they actors, singers, whatever. If you live in the public eye, you should live up to a higher standard. Common courtesy should rule, but almost never does. What bothers me is that, when you are one of these people, it is your fans/public who are buying the records or watching the movies or shows that give you your income. Some don't seem to care or actually feel that their fame gives them the right to act like jerks. A real shame, in my opinion.

Off to work to check out that Jack Of Speed thing at the end of the song. :-)

Good day all....

With the Jack of Speed....

Edd- I'm afraid I've got to part with Felix on this one. If sticking your cat in a freezer and having it stuffed so you can pet it for the rest of your life is normal.... I guess that means I'm not normal either.

What witty retorts from Felix! How clever he is!

He's such a scrapper, bolstering his fragile ego by trying to diminish the value others add to their own lives.

Give it up, Felix. You're outclassed and outwitted by everyone here. QED.

Guys, it's not like these parts you talk about are hidden in the grooves or anything, right? The keyboard-guitar morphing in WOH and the sustained note in JOS, I mean. They kinda jump at you. Now, the modem sound in NG that Mu talked about, that's another story. I still can't hear that one no matter how much I try.

Gina - Rickie appears closer to her fan base but that is just part of a different marketing strategy, imo. If she benefited from the exposure and commercial success that Steely Dan recently enjoyed, I'm sure things would be a little different. Having said that, I think if I was wearing Steely Dan's shoes, I would be curious to know what goes on out there in terms of reception to my work and might even jump in the waters myself just as Pat Metheny or Rickie Lee Jones did, even if only in an anonymous manner. It often comes down to a question of personality as well. Becker seems closer to the fans overall. I don't hold that against Fagen, as you know. It's just not his style.
Still, I think censoring web material that puts your image into question is rather lame. Not that anyone over at rickie's forum seems to care at all anyway but... some people here have been rather harsh on the Boys or even their immediate entourage and yet I didn't hear of anyone asking StAl to remove any of it even though this is, arguably, a much more popular venue.

Ed- Listen, I love my wife, but that doesn't mean when she "kicks it" I'm going to have her stuffed and sleep next to her. Why don't you relax and have a smoke.

Ed- Listen, I love my wife, but that doesn't mean when she "kicks it" I'm going to have her stuffed and sleep next to her. Why don't you relax and have a smoke.

lots of catching up ...

Hutch - must remember to check out that WOH piano/organ moment you mentioned. It's little details like this that make SD a real audio treasure trove.

One thing in Jack of Speed that jumped out at me recently - just before the outtro sequence, when the track drops down to drums/bass/keyboard and not much else, there's this really long, quiet sustained guitar note - quite high up, some vibrato keeping it going. Very reminiscent of the intro to Hendrix' Foxy Lady. It's a great effect, because it keeps this nagging tension going in the background - this unresolved guitar note, which finally wakes up as the lead guitar plays out over the outtro. Very nice.

Steveedan - got the guitar fret to note document, thanks. Will try and incorporate this into a "keyboard friendly" page for my site. Hope the clavinet stuff goes OK.

angel - the Greek festival sounds good. My girlfriend's Greek, so I know what these things can be like. They sure know how to enjoy good food, wine and music!

Lisa G - welcome back! Glad that your hard work for the concerts paid off. Don't stress yourself trying to catch up with all the SD chord chat ... but in your own time, your thoughts are always welcome!

Clas - thanks for the B.Sisters feedback. That SD "complete" songbook (from what I remember of it) is not that good. Some of the songs are in the wrong key, and the chords can be a bit off.

If anyone's interested, my biassed views/reviews of SD songbooks can be found at:

http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/songbooks.html

Howard

EDD..would that be a Village Idiot or just an everyday, run of the mill Idiot?.....LOL!

Hey Felix, grow up. When did *you* become the measure of normalcy?

Are you so god-damn stuck on yourself you can't see that the rest of the world doesn't live by *your* standards? Are you SO important?

YOU, little man, are an idiot.

Well, friends this is it, after 13 years of saying "Get Up", "What do you want for breakfast" " Got your books?" "Is your homework done?" Any papers I need to sign? HES DONE!..... But because I've got bad timing I have another 7 years of the above.

Dif...I found IT!!!! (blue silk)

eLLe...great pics!! Would you send me that raccoon for my petting zoo?

sh...nice meeting you..."Mom...the boys are making faces at meeeee!!!!"

Duncan..where are you going in Spain? My old home.

danooooo...what size bra do ya think I should get for those tits?

EDD, MC and all the steely birders...was just in my backyard and heard the melodious honk of some geese. Shouldn't they be back in Canada by now?...LOL I held up traffic yesterday so a mama duck and 4 babies could cross the road to the pond...really pissed off the people behind me...Hell, if I had to, I would have gotten out of the car and stopped all traffic. Great article this week in Time about birdwatchin'.

When I hear about an "Artist" (as in Ms. Jones's case) I think of 2 things..
1.Don't use your fame to excuse bad manners...you use the toilet just like the rest of us.

2. read the above...lol

jimmyyyyyy....did ya get my e-mail? I'll be checkin' the chat just in case you show up.

Hey Ed! How come you didn't freeze your cat?

Altimira- I'm sorry and everything but you should really learn to "let go" That's some really morbid shit you're doing. FREAK!

Hmmm... Swedes are all that, eh Tito? Thanks for the wake up call buddie. pfft
Clas, looks like you're merely a bourgeois disguised as a socialist.You've been unmasked by a sharpshooter there. You now have to come clean with your hidden agenda. That goes for Lars, Max Martin and Bjorn Borg too, btw. There, we figured you out, case closed.

G. - it doesn't matter if RLJ is an asshole or has to live up to the rep. Music is the bottom line, always. For example, I used to like The Cure in the late eighties but couldn't stand to see Robert Smith at all. He looked totally ridiculous. Doesn't mean "Pictures of you", "A night like this", "Just like Heaven" and such aren't great little pop songs just the same.

angel - I'm done with the cats and dogs and am now moving on to the sexual devices named Steely Dan category. So it my duty to comb all porn sites and report on them. It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. :o)

Missed saying that, btw:
Roy Scam Rules!!!

hello,
I am a french guy who experienced Stockholm for 2 years and it was 3 years ago.
Here is what I conclude from there. This is my personal view only.

Stockholom city :
It is the capital where people are "bourgeois", snob.
Stureplan nightclubs are very fancy. People love to say they know celebrities of TV.

behavior :
Swedes are very discrete and secret people. They are totally politicaly correct and they never want to express
their feelings.
Swedes are always correct, polite, they apologize for everything. They cannot stand people who are not polite and
always expect you to behave well. They expect everyone to behave the same way.
Swedes dont drink in the week but very much in the week end. Alcohol is highly expensive.
Swedes dont express their feelings and try to avoid discussions or politics. They try to hide all defects and
show only bright side of things.
Swedes dislike people who show they are rich or poor. Swedes can be very jealous if you are "better".
Swedes love to work and are very rigourous and organized. They can work until they are burned-out without
complaining.
Swedes love to have a good and "clean" image of their country. They like to show they are "good and nice and
polite and intelligent" people. They think they are the best.
Swedes love to show they can speak good english but they wont speak to you if they dont.
If you dont speak swedish, you will never be really integrated.

foreigners :
Foreigners are second zone citizens. The best jobs are kept for swedish people. There are very few black people
in Sweden except in the suburbs. Racism is hidden as much as possible.
Swedish always say "I have nothing against immigrants". They say it is worse in other countries. Racism in Sweden
is to a very high degree organised.

girls :
Swedish girls love the US and all dream to marry a rich person especially from the US. Most of them study abroad
like in Paris, Nice, London, NY, LA and dont want to go back to Sweden.
Swedish girls dye their hair in blond because it is fashionable but most of them are redheaded.
Swedish girls are very independant and love to have a "good" life.
Swedish men have not much success with girls except if they have money etc.
Swedish girls love the sun and holidays. They hate winter and cold.

nature :
Sweden is almost empty so nature is everywhere. The best time is summer.
Winter is dark and depressive and suicides high in that time.

economy :
The social system is very good and developped but taxes are very high.
Wages are low and life is very expensive.
It is almost impossible to find a flat in Stockholm.

nice to notice people do enjoy other creatures as in birds and cats and dogs!! nice links!

to the anon, i won't ignore you since using the word "fuckhead" shows your emotional state of being, still in the process of kicking life's desillusion, right?
regarding the personal issue you seem to have with me or what i posted and don't dare to show your face/handle around here, it confirms a generalization i tried to prevent from crawling up under Grand Canyon grooves anyways ..
you make things sound so shallow and insignificant. well maybe it is, given the void of existence and the dust to dust in the end ..
look at your fellow GB-ers, most of them have websites of their own, guestbooks, salons, the works. they're all individuals sharing the realms of their individual minds and hearts and keep this torch of communication burning. they're no less than people who make big bucks in showbusiness or sell records without even having played for live audiences in order to achieve that. some people were born with a more sensitive nature, some commit suicide and some do drugs before or on their way to get there. you and me, ofcourse, are the mediajoker crowd enjoying the entertainment and as consumers have this list of demands. it's a system and it works a certain way. like Steely Dan fans allow their heroes to be the way they are, for it's part of a myth, oh goodie, it would be a disaster if they would be easy to access all of a sudden .. host tea-parties or really show up at the Danfest. that would take the icing of a cake so carefully built up ..
each artist or performer creates his own image, or is the personality he/she is. RLJ is not creating anything, she sells her own personality and this a thin line. it is people like you, who regard me in a certain way for things i've written, who also condemn and judge the souls of those who are more fragile than others. there's good and bad vibes all over this place. sooner or later the bad vibes catch up and mostly pick a hole in those who aim for the best there is. that's nature or chemistry.

thank you anon, for showing me what my priorities are!

Banyan Tree Bow,
G.

Duncan, you're a yo-yo.

Rickie Lee Jones was in a great mood during an outdoor concert at the Stockholm Jazz fest some years ago. She told the audience, -you're so sweet.

C

Welcome back Altamira, I'm sorry for your cat.

re thyroid, is that some kind of messed up metabolism thing?

Midnite C - yeah, men and machines uh? Yes it's that Roland(!) printer.

Steveedan - cool, playing Steely Dan on a wedding.

C

''Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be''

Be aware of the new speed cameras which are being erected the complete length of the 'A' and 'M' roads. They are recognised by tall blue coloured poles and a small aerial pole next to it. We may have a possible stay of execution, due to the privacy law upholding these units from being switched on. At the moment, it is being debated within Parliament.

SPEEDCHECK SVVD or SPECS went on-line last weekend on the M1, netting 4,300 offenders in a single day. The system does not use instantaneous speed like the cameras we're all familiar with, instead measuring the average speed of every vehicle over a distance of about a mile.

How? By reading your license plates and matching them up camera-to-camera.

Kent and Leicestershire police are so impressed with it that systems are being erected in their Enforcement areas too. This is a new system that has now entered service after successful trials on the M1 and M20.

SPEEDCHECK SVDD (Sureway Video Detection Device) is a system similar in concept to the GATSO, but with a new twist. SVDD deploys cameras at either end of a measured baseline (up to 500 metres) to monitor vehicles 24 hours a day.

Using machine vision, vehicle number plates are read, and the precise time of each observation recorded and as a vehicle passes the second camera, the number plate records are matched, and an average speed for the vehicle is calculated. If this is above the trigger speed, then the vehicle's identification is recorded along with its speed. It is also flashed up on a huge illuminated sign further down the road to embarrass the driver into slowing down. When triggered, the detection technology used in these
cameras automatically records the date, precise time, location and speed of
the offending vehicle, along with a detailed image of the front of the vehicle, which clearly records the number plate, make, model, who is driving
and colour of the vehicle.

There's five overriding reasons for the habitual speeder to be afraid of this system. Or maybe there could be the implication of a sixth reason -

What if s/he is not your full-time other half!
1. It works 24 hours a day.
2. Needs to film!
3. Uses no flash!
4. Uses no radar! So bad luck all of those who think that radar
detectors work.
5. It's been proven to be over 99% accurate in almost all weather
conditions.

It doesn't do spot-speed checking. A GATSO can only check the speed of a vehicle within a certain range, so the tactic most drivers use now is to slow down for the camera and then speed up again once past it.
SPEEDCHECK
measures average speed over known distance. So if you do 60mph under each camera and then speed up to 80mph in between, your average speed is likely to be near 70mph - 10 over the limit imposed, you're nicked. SVDD say this means that the system can impose a far smoother flow of traffic,
eliminating slow-fast driving that the GATSO cameras provoke. Because it's automated,
the system is entirely self-sufficient.
It's hooked up to the DVLA
computers and can automatically process the fines and send out notices in the post. It's Big Brother. Don't believe for a moment that this technology will only be used to catch speeders. It can be used to keep
track of where every single car in the country is at any given moment in time, once the network of these things becomes broad enough. Warning to M25 motorists - if you are a driver then this is important!
Even if you aren't, you know people who are, so it is still important!
There are 60 new cameras that start operating on the M25 on Monday 14th June 2001.
These are between the A3 and M40.
They are digital and linked direct to computer, use no film or flashgun. They can deal with 60,000 tickets EVERY HOUR! The cameras are also apparently linked and can work out your average speed
between them. So, if you speed up between them and slow down as you approach them, if your average speed is over the "legal limit + No%"
threshold you may well get a ticket.

Duncan

Beautiful day in L.A.....

Blaise: Interesting dogs you found this morning. Even more interesting names. Especially that one that was born in 1974 and named Steely Dan. Hmmm, what SD album was out at that time?

Altimira: I hope your cat continues to send good vibes your way.

GE: Glad you got back ok and had a good trip. See you in chat. :-)

Lisa G: Sorry Daddy can't play no more. :-(

Good evening all....

New York City, no more....

Edd-/or anyone to view live sunset in Vancouver go to
http://www.telemark.net/cgi-shl/wc.pl

It's great to be back; I've so enjoyed reading the posts here, so clever, interesting, and entertaining, and such a change from much of the drek I've encountered on other on-line forums (fora, whatever).

Blaise, Gina, Robin, Dano, Lisa G., Midnite, Angel, SH--Thanks so much for your kind words; they're a real comfort to me.

LP--Best wishes on your trip to Japan.

Edd--I'm sorry about the loss of your cat, but I'm glad his last weeks were so pleasant. You loved him a great deal, and I'm glad you still have his ashes with you. I was going to have my kitty, Ahimsa, cremated, but I changed my mind at the last minute--I went out to the crematorium after work today and got her out of their freezer. I'm going to send her to a taxidermist; I know it sounds kind of weird, but I want to be able to see and touch her. She had such a lovely coat--brown tabby with red tabby patches; I'd like to be able to continue to admire it.

Floridavid--I'm sorry that Kasim is not doing well. Have you looked into medication for his hyperthyroid condition? Ahimsa was taking tapazole (the generic name is methimazole) for her hyperthyroid condition, and her last blood work indicated that the medicine had brought her thyroid level to the normal range. It might help Kasim to live a whole lot longer. Thanks for the kind words about the house; I'm chasing some good possibilities.

StAl- I just sent you two emails and no response yet. The address up there looks okay to me. It's the one people ordinarily use. Can't see what the problem is.

Steveedan-I'm in San Diego and friends with Bob Tedde, et al. The show Bob was talking about at the Del Mar Racetrack is in August and while it's mostly hits Bob can't resist throwing in some cool album tracks. It's always a fun show and it's FREE. Sure, let's hook up for a Steely Damned show sometime.

What a day!

Aja

ATTN: BLAISE -- please e-mail me. The address I have for you on the photo gallery isn't working.

Edd.. the last picture is actually the Moon rising. I made a mistake when posting that one, maybe that is what you mean? Or another possibility is that the picture is crooked?

eLLe....great stories about the coons. thanks! hope you do make it back there one of these days.

Edd....took some bird pics today and I have one that I can't identify....maybe you can take a look and see if you know? He came up just after the grackles left....built like a bunting, only larger....there's one pic of him with a dove in the same shot to give you a little perspective as to his size. He's not a cowbird or a grackle....I'm not sure what he is but I sure am curious!

anybody else want a shot at identifying this mystery (to me) bird, just point your browser to:

http://www.geocities.com/virginiabirder/MysteryBird.html

and let me know what you think.

an innie who's outie for the moment,
MC

Hutch: only one cure I know of for our neighbor and sometime mentor. Let's put the mu funk on RS, whad'dya say? Late June.

Roy Scam: Uh...ignore the above. How ya been, pal?

I dunno, elle. Your sunset picture shows the water sloping decidedly north (to the right when looking at a sunset).

eLLe....great pics! thanks for the link to dano's "nice tits"....they really are quite polite!

LOL! you're welcome MC
Just take a bite and fly away, trying to stay out of everyone elses way....beautiful cats
you have there too....can't believe they'd eat with Rocky! We have a little girl 'coon
that cleans up the leftovers in the feeder every night but I'd worry about letting the
cats near her....more than a few cases of rabid 'coons in this area....

yes MC I know all about the rabies in the coons back East and it was spreading acroos the US/Canadian line as well.Fortunately the gov'ts put together a program where they were dropping candy coated vaccine-filled candies from planes and helicopters for the coons, and say now that the rabies is under control..but who knows, this is what they say anyways, it's a great thing that they were doing. Coons are such cool animals. I have alot of racoon footage on video tape, from those years, as Rocky used to bring her babies every year. She was a great mother and we used to watch from the patio glass doors just about every night. People on our street used to think we were a wee bit odd, because I think most people think that coons are rodents, but they are actually related to the Panda bear. They are clean, and if you make sure that your trash cans are secured down, they are never any real problem. Except when the babies start getting bigger and start ramming the food bowl up against the window in the middle of the night, for MORE!!! NOW!!! hehheeee. I used to get up in the middle of the night to feed them, oh..for months!!!But there was one mother- we called her Runt-Mamma, who was not at all like Rocky, she was mean to her babies and we didn't knoww if she was rabid or not, we thought not since her babies were healthy. Can you believe at mating season one night I counted 16 different coons on our back deck, oh..sometimes during those times the fights would get a little noisey as well!

The reason why Jessie and Rocky are eating from the same bowl, and actually Jessie would eat with her hands, like the coons do, is because we got her in September and kept her indoors until the following May. We lived where there are Bald Eagles, bears and Cougars and dangerous for baby kittens! We had a Bald Eagle on our land as well and I have lots of footage of him/ and her and babies as well..awesome.
Jessie would watch Rocky everynight through the glass patio doors, and Rocky would watch her. By the time spring came around, I think Jessie thought Rocky was her mom, and Rocky had no beef
with Jessie, so that was, as I said , very rare.

Vancouver Island in past tense. Do you & hubby no longer live there?
No, my hubby got a job in the States, that he found on-line. First we went to Detroit for 2 years and now here just outside Portland Oregon. The company has offices all over the States and England and Europe.
I cried the day we left that place on Van. Island. what a place!!
Someday maybe we will return, who knows.
I could get used
to views like the ones you have there.
Yes, people pull over (on the road) in the summer at sundown the colours are extrordinary for sure!

Lisa- yes, thanks Jazz is my oldest cat, and my buddy. He is so in "tune" hehe; )

Edd.. hahaa very funny!!
Actually Edd water typically flows downhill, whether to the N,S,E or West. As for the bay... a bay is an ocean feature partically surrounded by land. So, obviously the bay fills up again when de tide come in. Life is a beach ; )
As for the land leaning so much up there, perhaps you've had one too many? hehee
Also it's very deceiving, Vancouver island takes a turn about mid-island, just about at Nanoose Bay/Parksville/Qualicum area
and we were facing due West, not North.
LOL yah bugger!teeehee

A nice pair of boobies...

http://www.horizon.fr/galapagos/bfb9an.html

My Fast-forward scroll of the the last few weeks made me sorry I missed some provocative discussions. I just recovered from a bout with self pity (the consensus treatment is to drink a lot of liquid and let it run its course). The problems are still there but the self pity seems to be lifting. Today's health tip: Don't take muscle relaxers unless you enjoy a drug that makes you feel simultaneously stoned and depressed.

As for the RLJ primmadonna question: I have spent much time on the lowest rungs of the show business ladder. I've played every crowd from festive screamers to living rooms full of sleeping drunks. To me, the criteria for an attentive audience is: 1) They're not screaming insults directly at me. 2) At least one person is listening to me 3) I don't need chicken wire in front of me when I perform. -- To Ms. Jones, I would say, "You are the entertainment. Get over yourself."

RS

And what's that thing about eLLe desperately trying to show us her tits? It sure sounds great and I did follow the directions but all I can see is stupid cartoon birds. Do I need special 3-D glasses or something?
I don't get it. Stop misrepresenting and please fill me in on all the free tit shots you may have in store. Of course, that includes dano's tits too, which I haven't glanced over yet but I'm salivating at the mere thought of 'em. Thank you in advance.

no, gina- i think you'd fit nicely in that kind of business! and it figures you, of all people, would even hint at validating such behavior as has been exhibited by rlj. talent is in no way an excuse to be a fuckhead.

eLLe....great pics! thanks for the link to dano's "nice tits"....they really are quite polite! Just take a bite and fly away, trying to stay out of everyone elses way....beautiful cats you have there too....can't believe they'd eat with Rocky! We have a little girl 'coon that cleans up the leftovers in the feeder every night but I'd worry about letting the cats near her....more than a few cases of rabid 'coons in this area....you speak of Vancouver Island in past tense. Do you & hubby no longer live there? I could get used to views like the ones you have there.

dano....finally got to see the nice tits thanks to eLLe....apreciate you trying to e-mail them to me again!

time to sort through todays bird pics.....ttfn

MC

I went to a Pat Matheney concert probably close to 20 years ago at Snowbird Utah. Pat and band were playing on a tent covered (but open on the sides) outside patio that probably sat about 2-3000 people. From the back of the tent you could look up the mountains and see the sunset.

It was a beautiful summer night and the the crowd was partying and chatting away enjoying the evening. The band played and it was almost like background cocktail music to the "party" happening under the tent.

About 6 tunes in, Pat stopped the music and bereated the crowd for not paying attention noting they were working hard up there on stage. About half the crowd in the back never even heard him talking as they were yakking away. They continued but the party atmosphere did as well and I'm sure they cut the set short. I suspect very few cared as the night was beautiful and the bars were open (yes, even in Utah).

See Ya in Chat...

Peace
GE

Edd-you crack me up sideways.

alti-welcome back and sorry about your kitty.

eLLe-wow, great shots--Jazzman's a cutie!

angel-now it's DaddyG's turn to stay away. He's having a hard time keeping up, so I think he'll show up only occasionally.

Gina-even though the music biz is a dog-eat-dog world, that's no excuse for anyone to treat people terribly.

Lisa G

SP spade=spade

re: eLLe

Little tits are the best, aren't they? I mean, the bigger types are OK, (I'd actually love to have a nice pair of boobies!), but the little tits are just so cute! I've been trying for a year or so to get a couple in my hand, but so far no luck.

Also, when the water in Nanoose Bay flows downhill (to the north) how does the bay fill up again? I didn't realize the land leaned so much up there. Must have something to do with being closer to the pole...

i don't expect people to understand the essence of Ms Jones, so i'm in doubt whether to bother acting up in her defense Under These Trees. and in a way i'm thankful, for it reminds me of what it is that attracted me to her music in the first place.
and it's proof of why i never bothered to try my luck in that particular business anyway ..

it's a dog eat dog thing, the monkey tweedle doo ..
who's the one to eat humble pie
who's the one to be left out in the blue

Banyan Tree Bachdad CafŽ Bow,
G.

is cheerleading at his best around here :-))

Blaise and Dano, you were the guinea pigs to something i have just discovered ...

i'd rather go for the truckdriver's mouth than the bad mouth ...

Toodles,
G.

Lengend has it that Joe Jackson, in his younger days, used to tell his audience to "shut up" if they went too wild.

Of course, I never witnessed this first hand and Jackson has seemingly changed.

Saw RLJ on last springs tour

into the second number she spied two men standing in the front row slightly stage right having a conversation. She heckled them mercilessly in front of the whole audience for what seemed like over a minute for daring to talk over her music. Asking one of them what was so important that he would like to tell everyone else about it. Granted, they were being rude, but it was focused on a little too brightly

This was the intimate tour where rlj was on acoustic or piano and accompanied by a stand up bass player

well, i DON'T having any trouble spilling it: she is on the smack again...

I know one of the sideman RLJ used on her last tour. What he told me about her I can't repeat...even here.

I know one of the sideman RLJ used on her last tour. What he told me about her I can't repeat...even here.

Tell me you are joking, this is the place L? LMFAO!!!!

MC - if you wanted you could view dano's "nice tits" @
http://www.users.qwest.net/~eagle555/nice_tits.jpg
I mean.. if you wanted.. no pressure or anything.

I have a picture up there of my Bengal-Leopard Cat-Keisha
and my cat Jessie eating out of the same bowl as the racoon-Rocky that we fed on our back porch on Vancouver Island for 3 years..now this is a rare one because the 2 are enemies.

Also I have a pic up there of some sunsets I took off our back porch..we lived sea-side.

Also I have a pic I just shot with the digi-cam, of a Mexican bluejay which hangs out with my outdoor cat-Jazzman, and yells at him "AIGHT" "AIGHT" because it has some babies and if Jazz gets too close this bird nags him to death. Also both the Jays eat his food, which is outside on back porch..we also discovered recently that squirrel does as well.

take a look if you are at all interested...
http://www.users.qwest.net/~eagle555/

yes, In Victoria BC on the Island you can see across Pueget Sound to the mountains of Seattle and of course get a great view of Mount Baker

( not that I am in any way shape of form trying to connect myself to StAL or MC)

RLJ played Chicago 3-4 years ago and a very similar thing happened. She was to play one of the best, intimate concert venues in the area, a grand old theatre from the 20s. But when the theatre is empty and no music is playing, you can faintly hear the elevated trains down the street go by. So even before the soundcheck begins, she hears an L and then calls off the show. It was rescheduled for a few weeks later at a different venue that concert goers don't tend to like as much--but no L trains. Other musicians of her stature and general fussiness play the first place with no problem.

SH - I believe what you are referring to is a taped segment of the 2001 Jazz Fest. I saw the recording trailor outside of the Jazz Tent when Al Jarreau played on Saturday and then at the Gospel Tent on Sunday. I haven't heard of a Sept. Jazz Fest, yet.

St. Al- After seeing RLJ tear her soundman a new asshole, I can imagine what the ferry horn did to her head. That story is great!

There's a funny Ricki Lee story that occurred here in Seattle a few years ago. Apparently she was playing a "Pier" concert. Seattle has a very cool venue located on a pier over the Puget Sound. Beautiful view of the city on one side, Puget Sound on the other. My personal favorite.

Anyway, as most of you know we also have a very active car ferry system. There are 2-3 (?) ferries that come into the downtown area and they're located about 1/4 mile away from the venue. Whenever these ferries arrive they blow their massive fog horns, which are quite loud. It's all part of the Seattle pier concert experience. Apparently this distraction didn't sit well with Ms (Mrs.?) Jones. The story is she stopped the show and demanded her manager tell the ferry system to stop blowing their horns. Needless to say the ferry system didn't give a rat's ass about her little concert. Shortly after she stormed off the stage for good and didn't return. This pissed off more than a few RLJ fans I'm sure.

New meaning for the word primadonna..?

Flipper....here ya go:

http://www.lpmusic.com/Pros_That_Play_LP/Players_Roster/gottlieb.html

One question, can anyone tell me more about percussionist Gordon Gottlieb?
Thanks, Ritchie

Altamira....so sorry to hear of the loss of your cat. I know from talking to you in Richmond that your cats mean the world to you. Glad you're able to find comfort in the companionship of your other cats. And we're glad to see you back here. Hope things get settled for you pretty soon.

dano....guess I just wasn't meant to see the nice tits thing. Hotmail refuses to cooperate. Thanks anyway though!

lp....have a safe and enjoyable trip!

the "how many horns r up" i mean...

i don't get it???

don't you just love the way dan lyrics are so contradictory?

a particular song chocked full of them is Barrytown

Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard;
I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.

and the really interesting line

"special lack of grace"

timeless

oh the irony

buk buk how many horns r up

FloriDavid - Ok. Got the most recent "Playback" (ASCAP mag) and the boys are pictured and congratulated for grammys and rrhof on the inside cover. and the article inside says:
"Steely Dan formed in 1972 and have done nothing by the books for almost three decades..."

There's another N.O. jazzfest in September? A new digital cable arts network owned by USA Networks, called Trio, will be "bringing us a 10-hour labor day marathon of music from the New Orleans Jazz Festival". Branford Marsalis will host. Zeke? Wormtom?

Geez - sounds like I just read magazines at work all day ;-)

sh

I have never understood the anger towards "payola". The record company pays to have the song played? So what?

Someone 'splain me, please?

Shady practices there for sure. It's not clear whether this is payola per se but the story will likely have follow ups if it deserves any creedance. It's that giant Azoff guy, their old manager, I'm sure. They got rid of him (or was he "sent for"??? ;-)) not long ago and severed all ties with their old management. This might have had something to do with it. Who knows? To be continued...

proud blaisie

Becker St:I saw Ms. Jones at Jazz Fest in 90 something. I was so stoked to see her. What you described is exactly what I saw. EVERY song, something was wrong. I think she got off on it. Bringing the sound guy to her mike and chewing a bit of his left ass cheek off in front of everyone. It really took away from her show. I know she had a sound check because she ran me out of the building when I tried to sit in on it.

re: Floridavid...

My cat aja went thru the same thing with the thyroid.

The bad news: I eventually had to put her down. On the day I did it, I *knew* it was the right thing to do. I refused to try to keep her alive if doing so served only my own interests. We'd had a great 16 year run together. Like you, I came home with a little furball who lived her entire life with me.

The *good* news: According to my vet, the animals feel GREAT even though the thyroid is bonkers. Aja spent her last weeks running around the house like a 6 month old kitten. Full of energy. What better way to finish up!

She used to love sitting/laying on the speaker in front of my window watching the great outdoors. A small, hermetically sealed ceramic urn still sits there...

Good morning all....

Payola rears its ugly head
Caught this article in this morning's L.A. Times. The picture, which is not shown in the online version of the article, is a piece of a page from the Promoter's Music 'Bank' List and shows about 14 entries, including this one.

4/10 $1000 Steely Dan giant billed / received

Others on the piece of the list. Travis, Janis Ian, Shivaree, John Hiatt, Robert Bradley, Vertical Horizon, Third Eye Blind, Tracey Chapman, Dave Matthews.

http://www.latimes.com/business/updates/lat_payola010529.htm

LP: Have a wonderful trip. Will talk when you return.

Snakehips: Glad you finally connected, too bad it was not us. :-(

Blaise: I am finally getting this search/copy/link thing going. You should be proud. :-)

altamira: Sorry about your cat.

Good day all....

All the way from far Arcturus....

lp - bon voyage. don't forget your list. we'll all be disappointed if we don't get presents ;-)

jim#, cyn, dif, fez, miz ducky - nice chatting the other day. are you kids behaving? you know who you are;-)

dif - how was Ypsi?

angel, david, craigster - sorry i had to leave like that.

alti - welcome back! sorry about your cat.

sh

we're drifting
a thousand years roll by...

That was only one half of Steely Dan, of course. Here comes tommorow's steely pet o' the day:
http://users.ev1.net/~SuBali-KLM/grands/steelydn.html
Something vaguely fagenish about that one, i must admit...

Sayonara LP and don't mention Pearl Harbour while over there. Wouldn't be prudent.
Where the hell is everyone now? Or has this become my personal notepad? Is this what the Microsoft .NET is all about? Oh well...

stevie, I know you're out there... Gotcha!

Altamira-Great to see you back and good Luck with the House. I'm so sorry to hear of your Loss. Losing your Cat is something that's been on our minds here a lot lately. My boy Kasim who is 16 yrs old, started losing weight last year. After being 12 -14 LBS all these years he is now down to 6 1/2 LBS.The Vet says it's
something to do with the Thyroid.He eats like a Horse and yet loses weight. I know that soon we'll suffer the loss of our best Boy.He's had a great life since he came to us as a small ball of Fur.

LP-Have a safe and wonderful trip to Japan.

good morning gb-er's:

off tomorrow morning to follow the sun for 14 hours in flight, wow - nervous? why yes, about leaving the youngin's, the financials, and whether japan will be disappointing for hubby from when he lived there in 1983 (places change, as we all know) - but these things have a way of working themselves out, don't they - alas.....nervousness is a nasty place to be.

so, i may not be able to check in here again - things are nutty in here today getting ready to leave

alti - good to see you back, you too aja and sh in chat, well finally!

thanks flipper for taking the test in stride (blasckgirl, btw, is a character from the chat room here)

mark and nmn - lunch when i get back okay?

ge, thanks again buddy

angle, it will be great to see you next month

off to save the world and conquer it

Damn this thing! I take the time to translate a somewhat lenghty and rare Celine passage and it all goes down the drain once it's done. OOOHH... Fuck Microsoft! Computer litteracy mistaken for litteracy, I tell ya!
Anyway, it was all about idolatry and how the sleakest of surfaces hold paint the best. Whatever...
Keep it simple stupid, I guess.
Yes Gina dear, Kerouac was an handsome fella but what do you expect? After all, he was of French Canadian descent... :-)

Oh yeah... SD pet of the day, a nice Collie, a long-haired smooth fox:
http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Century/Danny.html

Robin, Alta? Is this for real? Welcome back and please stick around. we dying ova he.

Altamira -- So sorry to hear about your cat. They are very good friends to have around and their loss can feel much worse than the loss of a human sometimes.

Congrats on the new job and you're always welcome here!

Angel , Same as you Angel seen them in the seventies and still go with close friends still , will be talking to Southside in a couple of weeks as me and my friend used to run the Southside supporters club before we all got family and things , so we still have a chat with him when he"s over here. cant wait that horn section in the Dukes with La Bamba is awsome!!!!

Altamira , Welcome back.

Gina , Yes Jack was always an intense looking guy , Just wished I met him and went on his trips accross America , Studied him at college and had visions of on the road myself. When I travelled down the East Coast of the States twenty years ago I thought I was a young JK. Now Responsibility has got a hold of me ?? But at least I have his books to keep me going??

to you Altamira .. sorry about your cat .. there's a bond between animals and humans that can be very special indeed!

looking forward reading your takes on things again :-))

toodles,
G.

Good Morning, always nice to see some lost puppy stray over here to throw up what (s)he can't digest, haha. Brat along, dear!

Dano, was a real good documentary showing on Arena last night, thanks for the tip. I rarely have a look in the TV-Guide so I never know if there are things worth watching ..
Loved the tempo, speed and little takes in between to show the Zeitgeist/ Tijdgeest .. some Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie (his name popped up again at the end when they said Kerouac died on Gillespie's birthday) Miles Davis .. and Kerouac could easily have made it into some Handsome Devil Gallery, quite a goodlooking man in his younger years ..
Ofcourse waiting if they would read some of the Naked Lunch and say the Steely Dan words, but alas .. it was nice to see the writers and hear them quote or speak .. Ginsberg, Burroughs, Ken Kesey .. Burroughs more a poet than a plain writer and i can't help but picture the liner notes on various CD's .. style related ..

Off for now, perhaps later
G.

Ricki Lee Jones played a couple of shows here Friday Night. Barking at her sound man, yelling at the spot guy and alternately shrieking in baby-talk and blabbing in a Mizarian. What a mean-spirited bitch! R.I.P.

Hi!!!!! I'm Jimmy Carl Black: I'm the Indian of the group

Hi, I'm back. I haven't had time to read the posts here because I've been on my feline lymphoma list all evening, but I look forward to reading your posts tomorrow.

I have a new job; I'm editing pamphlets about preventing youth violence for the Department of Health and Human Services.

I've been in the process of buying a house in D.C. for the last ssix weeks; I work in Maryland, but I want to live in D.C.; I love my city.

I've had a terrible loss this weekend; my greatly beloved elderly cat succumbed to cancer Saturday night (she died suddenly in my arms). Many thanks to Clas for inquiring about my cat's health. I loved that cat more than I have loved any being in my entire life; I feel like a part of myself has di