Signed in stranger

TERESA: Yeah, I love 11 TOW. I think Walter becker is more interesting as a lyric-writer than Fagen. Give The Moody Bastard a chance.

Lucky Henry: Itīs ok, I have counted them several times and it seems to me that everything is correct.

Bodacious Cowbell: I am Sorry, it is okay that you ask about your knee. You know, I thought it was something UGLY you asked Oleander, like psycho-things, mind-things or even sex things or tits or something. And donīt mention drugs, that is a very very ugly thing to talk about.Those things are very UGLY. But your knee, that is a very pretty thing. So Iīve heard.

Apropos UGLY, I have heard a band that writes LYRICS about such ugly things, pedophily (just when I say boy we canīt miss...) and even about DRUGS (tonight when I chase the dragon...) (... illegal fun, under the sun...) I think that is very UGLY! I certainly hope that little kids donīt listen to that shit.

Well, now I will show you some chords that are Steely-signed. Simple tricks you can do in your sparetime. I need a person here,

George, sit down at your piano. What, you donīt have a piano? Well, imagine you have a piano... piano, you know that thing... white and black keys... OK, you donīt know. Ehhh, do you by any chance have another instrument? A banjo? No, itīs ok. I understand.

Amanda - ooooops, sorry Princess,

well, anyone:

play these chords with your right hand, very slow:

Bb C D Eb F - that does not sound like anything speciall, so, while you are playing those chords with your right hand, add these tunes with your left (in the lower keys):

Eb F G Ab G - something strange happens, itīs called the Dan Magic:

Bb/Eb C/F D/G Eb/Ab F/G

"With rage in your eyes and your megaphones."

Clas

Yo Teresa, I haven't been ignoring you! I just got back! However, you assume right about those concerts, for me anyway.

Your husband isn't the one who likes 11 Tracks of Whack. I agree with Clas -- Walter's lyrics are more interesting to me than Donald's. And since I'm no musician, the drum machines don't bother me, and the music sounds fine, too.

Bo' 'girl: Ouch! Recovery from total knee reconstruction sounds like a poor way to spend a summer. But let us know what you hear in your Dan-alysis.

Fine Col: Welcome, and enjoy the show. Jump right in when you have something to say.

"...susponed without warning. . ."

In case you're wondering, that's supposed to be "Your husband isn't the only one. . ."

JoeM, "Jack of Speed" was particularly well done and equally well received at Wembley. We (my rhythm guitar player, actually) managed to smuggle a walkmanesque tape recorder into the venue and thus we have an extremely poor copy of 99% of the 2nd night's show.

The first night at Wembley, it seemed as if the sound engineers had been sampling a few too many of the local ales and perhaps hadn't quite recovered by showtime. The lead guitar work was extremely well done for his part, however, the engineers managed to create a rather bee-in-jam-jar guitar sound which did him no favours. Also, the security was pretty jumpy for some reason and refused to allow people close to the stage to dance.

The second night was indescribable. Bliss. Joy of joys. Security had obviously worked out for themelves that SD fans were unlikely to rush the stage but rather desired nothing more than a few self-conscious if rapturous boogies. Further, the engineers had sorted out the sound.

Nothing comes close to that concert; apart from perhaps Robben Ford & the Blue Line in Croydon also last year.

Work calls, later all... (space)

FineCol

Dr. Mu: Revolution is the record company owned by Irving Azoff and distributed by Warner Bros. It used to be called Giant. However, Giant is still one of Revolution's labels and I believe SD is still officially on Giant. So, it was the company that changed names, not the label, if you can understand that. Anyway, no word on a release date at all but let's hope Mr. Azoff uses his old friendship with the boys to gently encourage them (sounds like that's what's happening on the SD home page) to finish the new CD SOON.

TMA/K-man: Thanks for the overview of WB's corporate structure, which is becoming almost Dilbertian in nature. We'll hope for the best.

But very near.

Hey CLAS! Of course, I'll help with the piano. I move those 1 key @ a time, babe. How are you with re-assembley? I sent you cookies. Let me know if they get to you before they become petrified. (Petrified - adjective meaning TURNED TO STONE!)

I've been listening to 11Tracks of Whack. I have to say the lyrics are awesome! The music is rather low-key, but it goes with the lyrics. And Walter's voice has a certain realness to it, I think. But I've noticed it's not for the lazy listener. Unless you know it well, you can't just throw it on for background - you have to listen to it with your soul. It's found a permanent home in my heart.

Teresa: Any two Dan songs, huh? Only certain parts of some have that affect upon me. If you take the drums @ the start of DoItAgain and add the chorus of TimeOutOfMind I think you've got a topper.

ST.Al: Good name choice!! Your boat has no choice but to be fun & beautiful!

RB

My little... my most squeezie little, well, well... how can I, itīs been such a long, my darling, my sweetest girl, how can I say, RUUUUUUUBY! You are back! I canīt believe my eyes as I went down this street, I saw your name and my heart, behind my sternum, I canīt breath. I thought you had dumped me and I was afraid to ask.

You donīt have to worry about the piano. We hired three guys. When we were finnished with the moving we sat down and both Lena, Pompe and I thought something was wrong. It sure was, we had forgot the damn cat!

I havenīt got the cookies yet (thursday), maybe tomorrow, I tell you about it. I will email my new adress and number (I got your number, if itīs still the same). Girlfriend, if it canīt be you?

FINE COL; You are playing? Tell me about your band!

TERESIA: What is "top myself"? Is it what I think it is?

Clas

StAl; Hell, I almost forgot, I have counted the dots for the whole month now, and if we spread out the the fucking dots all over I think we break even. Itīs OK for me if itīs OK for you. I have spoken to some important persons and itīs OK for them too. What I mean here is, we canīt have the same shit in May and June, people got to straighten up. Call me anytime. My time.

Clas

Tony G. from CO - AKA: GRXN@ - are you still out there? Email me if you get a chance.

Yup, I'm a chord slut.

Murtha: Funny you should point out that part of Wetside. Reflecting on last summers shows, that part of Wetside lives on as best moments of Art Crimes 96. The band showed alot of punch and groove at that part. My favorite Walter solo of the show (next to Home At Last). Another fav: the rhythm guitar of Jack of Speed, ya know that double ch-ch, like muted down and upstrokes. Reminds me of reggae guitar.

Lucky: remember how we'd look at a new Dan song, and page 1 was like, "Yeah, I can do that!!" Then page 2 and beyond was, "You gotta be fucking kidding me", followed by "Where's Vin the Shotman?"

MinorWorld: Getting that swing in-line yet??

"...by the statue of the mourner..."

maj.

FinCol: Robben Ford and the Blue Line! YES!!! I've seen them 3 times in the last 2 years... absolutely killer! FYI, if you want to check out some other Robben that's a little more jazz/fusion influenced then you should check out: The Inside Story - Robben Ford (1979); Yellowjackets (1981)(their first album... without a title); and Bluestreak - Tom Scott and the L.A. Express (1996).

Later - Doc

Welcome Teresa--is the above a synonym for "topping off?" As I said earlier, 11TOW has grown on me a lot lately. I don't find it depressing; e.g., "Little Kauai" greatly surprised me with its warmth, humor, and spot on observations of childhood. Speaking of 11TOW, here's one for the Fogel: which track ISN'T whack/wack?

YGK--maybe in May, maybe beyond the millennium....I'll let you know.

Bode 'girl--wow! That's about the whole shootin' match. I've heard that if you take some headphones, put them across your knee, and play Steely loud, it works better than a TENS unit for pain and halves healing time.

Lucky--"scheme" it is. Better lyrically anyway.

FineCol--I've got just two words for you--Cuer Go. Naw, and welcome.

Clas--bad editing, meaning that Brian Sweet wrote his entire book the night before it was due under the influence of entirely too much caffeine, didn't check his work before he turned it in, and only got to the first level of the "this happened. Then that happened" school of journalism. I thank him anyway. BTW, I love SD too, but I figure that no matter how interesting, their private lives are really none of my business, so I make a few notes of history and then move on. And again BTW, "Gaucho" is not about pedophilia.

Amanda--honeychile, here in the south that is clearly PEACH.

I'm getting a headache trying to keep up with all these 'net conversations. Think I'll take a break on my peach fainting couch.

Bah (that's bye to you)

Anyone else hear Howard Stern on his E-show tonight mention Steely Dan? He did several times, making fun of his producer, Gary (Babba-Booey)'s interest in music. Howard, you are great, but STEELY DAN RULES!

Hello Clausey!

oleander: i think you'd have to see it on my monitor to understand... from here it's distinctly beige. we must be getting different colors...

amanda

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAXINE!!!!!

And now, from "Stark Raving Dad" (my favorite Simpson's episode for personal reasons), here's Michael Jackson and the Bartman with your birthday present: And-a-one, and-a-two...

Mm hmmm mmm... Lisa It's Your Birthday, God Bless You this day You gave me the gift of a little sister and I'm proud of you this day. Lisa, It's Your Birthday. Happy Birthday, Lisa (repeat) I wish you love and goodwill, I wish you peace and joy I wish you everything your heart desires And your first kiss with a boy. Lisa, It's Your Birthday. Happy Birthday, Lisa (repeat) Take it away, Lis. (Sax solo here.) "Solo. Fade."

Wotcha y'all!

Oleander: Yup! And thanks!

Clas: Re: band, we call ourselves the Far Canals(Teresa at least will avoid saying this without due caution)and are a 5 piece comprised of: two Dan-addicted guitarists; a bassist extrordinaire (Kid Chuck's a doddle to this thunder-fingered minor deity); a mad Italian drummer; oh, and one of the guitarists and I swap lead & backing vox.

We're all 30's+ and inveterate musicians who'd played together in one's and two's throughout the years and eventually decided to do this one just for us. And do it we do.

I guess it all came together in December when Tony (bass) found himself at a loose end whereas the rest of us had been gigging hard with another band called In the Mix. Upon discovering Tony was free, we unceremoniously (though with a great deal of tact and diplomacy), uh, dumped our now ex-bassist.

From such beginnings, a great deal of fun is being well and truly had.

We are still at rehearsal stage, as Tony has about 40 numbers to learn including: Kid C, Night By Night, IGY and Bad Sneakers. My Old School and Bodhisattva(look,I know the spellings probably wrong, okay?!) also get a look-in from time to time. Other numbers we do are wildly ecclectic such as Masterblaster, Free Ride, some Pretenders, Bonnie Raitt, Thin Lizzie, and so forth. Just fun stuff.

Demos (sadly only on 4-track Portostudio at this point) are being recorded within the next 2-3 weeks as a number of venues we used to play want us back (thank gawd!).

Anyhow, work calls again so "East St Louis" for now.

FineCol

FineCol: Have you heard of Nearly Dan (the British SD tribute band). They sound great but I have yet to see them. Interested in getting some like minded types along for a gig? Let me know.

ANYBODY: Any news on the whereabouts of New York Rock and Soul Revue? If there is a spare copy floating around I would love to buy it.

Your post-election pal,

Stiff

It's been a while, but it's nice to be back and see that not all that much has changed. Someone mentioned the Simpsons, does anyone recall the episode where a supposed member of the Doobie Bros. featured. Or the time when Homer went into a boxing fight accompanied by War's "Why Can't We Be Friends?" I'm a little down in the dumps as I missed a Nearly Dan gig by the skin of my teeth. They played not five miles from my university and I found out two days too late. I'm desperately searching for Our Lawn, Cash Only Island and Medical Science. Can anybody help? give u6b88@cc.keele.ac.uk a go if you can... It's good to be back.

FineCol: Is Far Canals a British group (I'm counting Italy as part of England), a transplanted Texas group, a mix? If your group takes to the road (or the ocean), please post notice if you play on the East coast,USA. Steely Dan and Thin Lizzie sounds like a great set. I've always thought that "The Boys Are Back in Town" combined the sound of "Reelin in the Years" with the lyrical themes of "Josie". Those 3 songs would segue nicely into one another.

RS

re: Joe M >>"Wet Side Story" takes some interesting twists and turns as >>vocal-leading-into Walters fluid guitar solo... followed by some >>nifty modulations during Walterssolo... followed >>finally by a recapitulation of the main theme... enter Donald on >>vocals again... Cool. (Help me out on the actual chords >>here Edd Cote, won't ya?). This is another one of those classic >>don't-try-this-one-at-home offerings from the bards.

My only copy of WSS, though cherished, just isn't of high enough quality to allow me to dig the chords out.

When in doubt, use an m7. That's always a safe bet...

Edd

Wow, did I make a mess of that last post or what?

Edd

Oleander: Thanks for the post card, bud. The boys and girls are groovin, as am I, on Spring time in Alaska. We've won a pizza party for being the best dressed class during 70's week (I've still got a nasty heat rash from the banana colored polyester leisure suit on loan from St. Al). Hope everyone else is having a fine Spring.

Mr. Stewart

Quick hits :

Can anyone recommend a Wes Montgomery recording, a cd compilation maybe?

Anyone familiar with Jungian psychology, personality type (ie. MBTI or Personality Profiler)? I have an interesting project in mind that may help to finally unlock the many mystical speculations about W+D, the new recording, and life as we know it. I'm 100% serious here. Let's confer.

Chords Part 3: You just can't beat Green Earrings. Bass and chords banging off and on. "...rings of rare design..."

maj.

This lil' ol' chat line is pretty darn great. Is anyone out there familiar with a jazz/blues album from The Jon Bartel Thing released on Capitol back around '69?

Thanks, Cret3

Maj: Try to find a Wes M. album (or CD) that has "Bumpin' on Sunset" on it...

re: chords on "rings of rare design..."

My m7 (or just m) theory lives. Always a safe bet.

Edd

Hey Maj: Here's an on-line Jungian personality profiler, knock yourself out

Maj.: I'm an INFP, or is it 2PAC, or NRBQ?...

FC: eclectic

My favorite Simpsons to date was the one with John Waters. He saved homophobic Homey from rabid reindeer.

oleander--your remedy indeed doth have magic healing powers! I could actually bend my leg 30 degrees today, my therapist was most impressed. At this rate, I should be dancing in the street in no time!

maj, Hank S, lucky henry, and other Phillys--any of you going to the Jam on the River Fest on Memorial Day weekend?

clas--you must try doc o's remedy for your sternum pains, it will work wonders!

BC

??!!; Hi Slidell!!! Say hallo to my little special one? And the kids!

Oleander; Thanks for the edit stuff, but thatīs your opinion? And you wrote: " And again BTW, "Gaucho" is not about pedophilia". Thatīs also your opinion? I can see that you like to demand people around this site.

And about Steely Danīs Private life, could we all agree that it goes for Ginsberg, Jackson Browne and others? Because THAT WAS MY POINT! Is that so damn hard to understand for you US-hipocrits? Try to come down from your icy altitude.

(She just looked at me uncomprehendingly, like cows on a passing train)

FINE COL; What I have experienced, all drummers are mad. But a mad ITALIAN drummer? That must be something. Good luck with your demo-recordings.

PRINCESS AMANDA: Check your monitor calibration.

Clas

BOD COWGIRL: I tried that remedy, but all I got was extrasystoles and tacycardia. I guess I use the headphones in a regular way.

EDD COTE; Are you serious about those chords? If you are: Gm Am A#m7 Bm7, if your not serious, forget the the whole shit.

Oleander again, It should be Kawai, and that is the song that not is ei whack.

D. Fagen; My Audi has not exploded yet, how come?

Clas

maj,

Wes Montgomery "Impressions - The Verve Jazz Sides". ISBN # 314 521 690-2. This one includes Wes' all-time classic "Smokin' At The Half Note" stuff along with some additional tracks with The Wynton Kelly Trio (W. Kelly, P. Chambers, Philly Joe Jones). It also has some Wes with big band stuff i.e. "Naptown Blues", "Caravan" etc. Highly recommended as it covers a lot of territory on 2 CD's...

Joe

Substitute Jimmy Cobb for Philly Joe above...

M: see? they're chatting nicely now, for the most part. I told you they could do it if they wanted to.

Clas--My mistake. I assumed WB was referring to the island not far from his digs (Kauai), not the Kawai in Japan, on Honshu, or the pottery glaze (Kawai kaki), or a given name.. That's the one I thought was un-wack, too, but why? BTW, I loved "Confederacy of Dunces."

Geo.--yes, the g'book seems to be temporarily dry of invective, though Clas is trying hard to bait me.

B.C.--music indeed hath charms to soothe the savage knee. Way to push that ROM!

Re 11TOW--what really knocked my socks off was to hear the monks on "Surf &/or die." They have visited us here several times, and don't impress me as a real commercial outfit. In fact, they are about the most spiritually high people I've ever met; how did WB ever get them to agree to record? Has anyone else ever heard them on any other recording? And does anyone know what's up with the liner notes' "Free Tibet?" A surprisingly political and nonironic comment for one of the Dan.

Oleander; What I recall, I donīt have 11 TOW here at work, so are these monks not monks, there are some guys who was given the credits for being monks? (hell, is that english?)

And about the liner note "free Tibet", it is kind of harmless and political correct say, I think.

Do you know what a Balinesian icat is? I do, but I donīt know hell how to explain it in english. Itīs a kind of weave?

As the song Little Kawai is about Walters son I assume that is why that song is not a whack.

And BTW, how do you stay calm when you get provoced? I think that is a very admirable thing. You are still growing (outside my door). And at last a question;

Why do I get extrasystoles when I press my headphones on my sternum and play "Babylon Sisters" very loud?

Audi and out, Clas

Hell, I almost forgot:

Oleander: What I can see: it was YOU who was baiting me. Then I baited you and then you stayed calm. That is an old trick. A cowardish one too.

Damn woman. I have to sit all day and defend my self.

Out and audi, Ignatius

Oleander-- If I remember right, WB said that the monks performed at the funeral of the guy who is the subject of the song, and he recorded them, and then was shocked to find that their singing fit perfectly with the rest of the tune, same pitch, etc., so he put it in.

They are Buddhist monks, right, so the Free Tibet thing is probably just a reference to their homeland and the perceived persecution of same. WB may have some Buddhist leanings himself.

Stiff: Haven't heard of this Nearly Dan you mention, however, I've seen another UK tribute band called Stealing Dan & Don. Very good, if patchy in a couple of places, but given the overall musicianship I'd say check'em out. All modesty aside, I have to say that Far Canals' versions of Kid Chuck and especially IGY surpass Stealing Dan's efforts... Also, we play without benefit of music sheets... But then, you couldn't exactly describe me as unbiased in this particular matter, wot?

Also, Stiff, me old china, I have most of NYR&S Review, stress MOST (i.e., one side of a 90 minute tape), if you want a copy of it.

Roy.Scam: I'm the lone American in Far Canals. Tiberio (drummer) is from Bologna (er, not the lunch meat either). Everyone else is from the London/Surrey areas. If we ever make it to the East Coast, we'll certainly post it here!

Doc Kelly: Robben Ford's here (London) in July at the Royal Festival Hall (just got me front row tix!) My fiance's got some Yellowjackets schtuff so I'll definitely have a listen. Thanx!

Later all.

FineCol

Guys, guys, steady on, old chaps!

MASTURBATION???

'Top myself' is British slang for 'commit suicide'. I was referring to the depressing nature of 11 Tracks of Whack, and the sheer misery of Walter's drone. Now go back and read my post again - April 30th, okay?

'Top myself' has nothing to do with masturbation. Indeed!

TTFN!

Yes, G, I see; all's well in the sandbox for the time being. Some boys are lots naughtier than others though.

Your recommendation was much appreciated; it is a divine CD, heavenly.

-M

I thought that the track on 11TOW that wasn't "whack" was Cringemaker because it was a joint effort (as was the Steely Dan stuff). Eleven tracks (or twelve if you own the import) were credited to Walter alone (even though several of these were thought to be collaborations with Donald anyway) while Cringemaker shares billing with another. That's my guess. By the by, anybody got a copy of the Becker promo disc with Fall of '92 on it? If they are interested in parting with it - or know some fool who is :-) - E-mail me....

'94 Citizen Steely Dan Orchestra power drummer Dennis Chambers will be at "The Bottom Line" in NYC on Tuesday, May 13, 1997. Chambers played the hell outta "Josie" back in '94 but left me yearnin' for the exquisite Mr. Steve Gadd on "Aja"... 'course, how can anybody top old one-take Steve on that one?

Joe

TERESA: I thought you meant "get topped", cocaine.

FINE COL: How do you play "My Old School" whitout a piano, I mean the intro?

Clas

Shit, cookies stuck on airport.

Doc, Joe: Thanks for the Wes Montgomery reefer-als.

Jung-heads: Mail me personally to get going on this. Consider it a summer project. I am familiar with the link to the Kiersey but since I have an inside track to a roomful of psychomatricians, I have considerable resources available in living color. But I do recommend checking out that link if you haven't already.

Yes, minor Edd, but m11, no? ....rings(Gm11) of(Am11) rare(A#m11) de-sign(Bm11-A#m11-Bm11). Talk about timing, geeeeeez!! Must be a Donald song. LH, I'm working on it, page 72, shades on.

"...the night is alive with the sweet sounds of summm-ah..."

maj.

Maj: I did the Personality test on Saturday, and I seem to be an eNTj - was quite fun and accurate. thanx

I also took the test and came back INTP.

I(90%), N(60%), T(35%) and P(55%).

The description seemed pretty accurate.

Edd

M: Hello & glad to hear you liked that stuff! what do you like best? What else do you listen to, I mean, besides Steely Dan?

Teresa: 11TOW is not depressing IMHO, I learned about it's existence just coming out of a quite depressive mode and made me totally excited. As soon as I could get my hands on it, I played it a lot and it made me feel very good and alive, maybe because it tells stories of the bottom but it also tells you yes there is life above and after and beyond the bottom! What also attracts me to the album is the "realness" of the lyrics. They carry real emotions of real human beings. I also love the music even though I needed my time to accept the machine drums and still prefer the drumming on the 3 real-drummer songs. I also think WB's voice is the best and only one for these tunes. I can also sing along very well as he's more my pitch than DF is.

Ruby: How's my little girl?

Re 11Tow: Doesn't "Cringemaker" seem more Fagen-like than the other tracks? Same muted Chuck Berry type guitar roll (2-4-5-4 on the A string) as "Tomorrow's Girls", same fascination with sweethearts turning into monsters, similar tune and tempo. Perhaps Cringemaker is a clever pre-quel to T.G., or maybe "Tomorrow's Girls" is a parody of "Cringemaker" cleverly written two years before the song it satirizes.

What chord does WB use in "Girlfriend" when he breaks into "Wait a minute Baby. What about my heart?" To me, that's one of the choicest twists on a great album. Did some one-eared, no-listening sourpuss actually say he didn't like 11TOW?

Re British slang: Apparently there's an important distinction between 'topping' and 'tossing'. Everyone please learn the difference before you really hurt yourself.

RS

GEORGE: YES! I could not say that better me self, and the best part with 11 TOW, as you said, I CAN TOO SING ALONG WITH IT! After 20+ years trying to sing along with Fagen (in the right octava) it was a great to join Becker. Thanks Becker!

Hell George, maybe you are not so dumb as I thought.

MAJ FRONTIER: Maybe itīs non of my business but I donīt believe there is something like a minor11? Not in the actuall song.

The Besserwisser

Maj:INFJ which makes sense with my interpretation of the Wet Side, Check my buddy's site for a Wes Recommendation, he's like Murtha, a walking encylopedia with excellent taste: http://www.counterpoint-music.com...Still leaving the club face open and making those left(walt)dog-legs even longer, any suggestions?

BC-Girl: Did you save me any gristle or anything for the mantle? Glad to hear you're doing well and back in the saddle...

JoeM: Do you think maybe your yearning for Gadd might have something to do with the recording (the original's familiarity, AIA's live venue sound vs. the studio, ect.), rather than Chambers playing?

mWorld

Okay kids,

Back to the Main Dan Page immediately... Steelydan.com has got a lot new Dan oriented banter on it as of this writing. Some of it may actually be non-goof related... including some Summer Tour '97 rumour ware for your condideration! What's your collective take on this? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Joe

MURTHA; ?, just some new jokes from Becker?

Click on the "Hey Les!" shingle...

A theory with some (and growing) data to support it: Steely Dan recordings appeal to the iNtuitive personality type. Let's face it, if you thought that all the men on the street are white honkeys, that the western world was in the west, that music was what made the preacher dance, then you're probably Sensing, not iNtuitive, and probably not reading this anyway.

Funny to see the types people are posting, mostly "N" for the information-gathering dimension. Also, many of the "lover's quarrels" around are probably rooted in personality differences of the other dimensions (direction of energy, decision making process, lifestyle orientation), but most of us, again only a theory, share the common N.

All of this is besides the point, of course, because my original intention was to work up a profile on Donald and Walter. However, if they want to mail me their type, then I can forget the whole embarrassing mess and instead twist up a fatty, throw the clubs in the Pathfinder, and "drive in four-wheel drrrrrriiiiii-iiiive."

Minah: Bend the left leg a little more and remember to drag back the club more.

Clas: I was reading from "The Best Of Steely Dan" for guitar, (Hal Leonard, 1996) Great pic of cyber-don on the inside, page 2.

maj.

JM--wow! gobbled up the new ODP (official Dan page) stuff. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get the little hand to appear on "Summer '97."

I vote for infomercial!! They could get Tony Robbins and John Tesh to do a Soloflex routine in the background, and it would give me something else to do at 3 am besides read the Guestbook.

Clas buddy--I stay hard to provoke because I had 3 kids. Yep, Balinese ikats are a kind of fabric made with the pattern going in the warp as well as the weft (is that Swedish?) Besides Bali, you can find spectacular ikat from Guatemala and Japan. Your extrasystoles happen because your poor defensive heart is trying too hard to shake it.

Teresa--thanx for the clarification. I'm a female who was under the misapprehension that you meant fun not termination. And I'm with George--actually, I thought 11TOW was moody, but in its complex mix of ups & downs, the irony and plangent imagery (is that Swedish?) keep me smilin'. Junkie Girl, for example, starts with a yearning for that life, with its graphic description of prostitution, buying, selling, and using, but ends with WB saying goodbye, gently, to all that. I know that his personal life is NOMB, but that made me very happy for him.

Bod CG: Too soon to say for sure.

I also thought Little Kawai was the non-whack one. But couldn't This Moody Bastard qualify also?

maj.: 16th. BTW, I almost forgot your real name. Good thing it was on your e-mail.

Re: King of the Hill: Another cartoon for maladjusted adults, Skunk wrote the theme, we know, and it's modelled after my neighbors, but the best part: the parents are named HANK and PEG!

'scuse me, ICAJ.

mWorld,

I hadn't considered the possibility of extremist baby-boomer nostalgia on my part when I commented on Chambers playing but... yeah you're right, I guess I do have an affinity for Gadd's original... and it probably has its roots in familiarity. However, Gadd's drum solo is still unbelievable and stands on its own... and in my view, it is ultimately insuperable. Don't get me wrong, I love Chambers playing, especially some of his stuff with Mike Stern. Chambers is dynamic and powerful whereas I see Gadd as having a kind of nuance oriented approach. (Am I making any sense here?)

As far as live venue sound vs. studio etc., I don't think that's it because I like some of the live versions better than the originals i.e. "Third World Man". So, its probably just Chambers interpretation and my own personal taste, not Chambers playing.

More than you wanted to know no doubt,

Joe

"And it's way complex..."

joe m--the gadd solo in 'aja' is an inimitable showcase of his immaculate talent, but i would still vote that i prefer the fluid smoothness of a jeff porcaro groove. gadd is a monster, but he seems a bit stiff to me.

the contrast is really apparent on michael mcdonald's solo record (i can't recall the title--the one with the big black and white picture of michael's face on the front), where jp and sg pretty much half the drumming chores. the difference is pretty glaring when you hear the slick grooves created by porcaro.

on the other hand gadd's bombastic chops (sorry--let's not get started on 'chops' again, right?) as heard in 'aja' are nothing short of miraculous. and with one bass drum, no less.

what's with that weird stick click at the end of the first solo section? is that on purpose? i think it would pretty much have to be.

peace,

rabbit

re: stick click

Dennis Chambers included it when they did "aja" at Great Woods in '94.

I think I was the only one who noticed. At the very least, I has the only one who applauded.

Edd

mWorld: I used to slice everytime... I sometimes still do... but now I know how to do it on purpose... so do you, if you can remember what you're doing now... as far as turning your problem into a hook here's what I've done: 1) move the ball away from you in your stance; 2) lower your backswing; 3) think baseball (or, maybe, ping pong) when you swing; and 4) "take dead aim"... just my 2 cents worth...

Joe: Brew is being recorded as I post this... do I have your address?

FinCol: Front row... Hmmm... You won't regret it... the last time I saw Robben Ford & the Blueline was September 96, maybe August... they were the main act at a nearby city festival... free... it was raining but there some real hard core fans (myself included) there for the whole thing... and, yes, I was belly up against the stage taking pictures the whole time... I actually think I pissed him off... ANYWAY, if you want to get blown away before you see him then check out his discography by going to the Allmusic Guide for a person search:

www.allmusic.com/amg/music_root.html

Sorry, I don't yet know how to place that address in the guestbook as a link...

Later - Doc

Just in case they don't tour this year, I put up a slideshow of sorts on my page. It's pictures I took at the Gorge in '96, including some shots of StAl, Hoops, and Maggi McCoy. It takes a while to load, but it gives you a chance to check out the pictures as they come in. Once it's loaded, the pictures loop continuously, giving an effect of a live show...well, almost.

Bob: Keep me posted!

I'm back.....missed me? .........I thought so.

I guess Clas (alias Gaucho or Gauchito) kept you on your toes you great big madaphakas.

Any way, somebody correctly pointed out my mistake in reference to Allan Holdsworth. Yes, I made a mistake, again. I guess I choose to make mistakes and move along rather that to be or become a FUCKING PUSSY.

Ok.

I was in Washington D.C. last week and I bought an unopened original "Can't buy a thrill". Yes, an LP (yes, vinil). So see, it's bull shit because I am thilled!

Now some asshole is going to tell me that it is a fake or that it is really a reissue or that it doesn't matter anyway because you can get the same shit all over the place for a penny.

Do not bother. I don't really care. I am having mine framed.

Clas : What is this shit about you enjoying 11 Tracks Of Crap.

Gaucho Putrefacto y Hediondo

M! bingo, gringo, time to batten down the hatches...again. This one's not clever like the other one. But they are both assholes.

I think George is mad at me because I called his little gal.

OLEANDER; Yes, you are right, thatīs swedish. And about the extrasystoles, is it dangerous? Could you send me some valium? Or some another bensodiazepina coladas?

MAJ: How do I found this page, search for hal leonard? Iīll try. But I can hell not understand what a minor 11 is. For me, a major 11 is, example G11, a F-chord with G in the bass. So, what would a Gm11 be, still a F-chord with G in the bass, cause there is no third!

GEUURGE: Last night when I could not sleep, I went to see my priest, we talked about life and minds and shrinks and such ugly stuff... did I tell you she is a wonderfull little woman? Iīll get back to you with a detailed description of her moisty little body. Hold on.

GAUCHO! So you have been in Washington DC! Welcome back. 11 TOW is great. But Robben Ford is boring I think, saw him a couple of years ago here in sweden, three-chord blues songs with a three piece-band, can it be more boring? Heīs got no talent, but thatīs my opinion.

Clas

Where's that IGNORE button??

les: I don't care what Walt says, you're doin fine. Nice shots, Pete.

I was comparing Green Earrings in the "Complete" book versus the Cyberdon book, and since I'm just a hacker I appreciate any corrections or clarifications here.

What "Complete" lacks in accuracy it makes up for in good intentions. It's simplified for piano and vocal (notated on the same staff) but Green Earrings is one tune that comes off sounding pretty good on keys, and it's fun to play (or to try to play, that is). The progression in the first bar after the intro is shown only as an "Am7". There is first a D-E (shown 16th notes) and an A in the bass. The first notes hit with the right hand, A-C-G would support the Am7 (no third), but the second hit is an A-B-F# which is not symbolized in the "Complete" book as another chord. It seems like an inversion or voicing of a Bmin7 (no third). Also the Complete book does not show a key sig for the tune, or it is in C.

The Cyberdon book is notated for guitar (some parts shown are keyboard arranged for guitar) and has more detail. Green Earrings is keyed in G. Where the Cyberdon book shows "Am11-G#11-Am11", there is a bass (or distorted guitar) part also included with (is it) a pre-bend(?) on the D for the Am11, I think.

I think the "11" in Am11 comes from the first 'D' hit in the bass on the keyboard, and the "11" in G#m11 comes from a C# written into the bass part in the Cyberdon book (if memory serves). Separately the sheets are confusing, but taken together they seem to make a little more sense. Perhaps a more accurate version would combine elements of the two and include drums, horns and percussion.

Check it out:

Rosie Vela Tribute Page

LH: The"King of the Hill" episode just this Sunday was a classic. The trials and tribulations of lawn survival and the elusive perfect sod here in Texas! After 5.5 years living here I've given up... Whatever it is , If we can keep it green, that's good enough.

Another IntJ here

FineCol: A copy of the tape would be superb. Im still keeping my eyes open for the CD though. I have what some might call a 'large' music collection so if there is anything you would like in return (another C90 tape, Three Lions CD single, my new band's demo tape) let me know. Cheers mate (I don't speak like that normally of course).

Stiff

JoeM:

I was just curious about what was missing (for you) from Chambers' performance because I felt the same way. I was in Irvine the night of the recording and though struck by Chambers' technical ability, remember feeling like my Aja drum solo itch was only partially scratched...but I felt my impression of Chambers' playing was based less on interpretation and more on being used to the balance between instruments on the recording and *needing* to hear that original solo (kinda like that Third World Man guitar solo...accept no substitutes...). Also, I'm not sure I would buy into Gadd being a nuance (if you mean subtle) player at that point - case in point early Steps/Corea recordings from the same period where I always felt he was going for it *all the time* (I agree Gadd became more subtle later on, circa early 80's when the Bee Gees had to actually hire a drummer to double-track Gadd because he played so simply...and even on Gaucho, for ex. Glamour Profession...). Anyway, I felt like Chambers was coming from the same (chop intensive) place in '94, in concept true to the original - so I suppose that's why I introduced and subscribe to what you so aptly named the 'extremist baby-boomer nostalgia' theory...

Definitely more than you wanted to know, mWorld

Doc, Dudis Majorum: Thanks, you guys are better than the golf channel, I'll print those posts and take 'em out to the range...

DrMu: Two words, man - "Turf Royal", 'da kine' fertilizer here in the Land 'O Cow (ask for it by name...).

Pete: Nice slideshow, but what do you mean 'Just in case they don't tour...' ? Don't tell me you're stumped on this or I'm lining up for my $1000 bond...

mWorld

Pete: Wow! It's just (almost) like being there! Thanks for posting those shots.

M.Whirled: Sorry for laughing...it's just that you're funny !

mWorld: Have fun! Of course the real trick is in figuring out where the straight shots come from... it's somewhere in between...

clas: anybody that has seen Robben Ford with the Blue Line has only seen his attempt to make some money off the masses that listen to the blues... anybody that has seen/heard Robben playing his true calling (fusion jazz) knows what he is capable of... if he played as he is truly capable of at the blues venues a lot of people would walk away without an inkling of the brilliance they just witnessed! You don't have the resume he has without talent.

LH: you are the man.

mW: Where do I find "turf royal", anyway?

"...just throw your luggage in that Chevrolet, Right(chord) On(chord)..."

maj.

Gaucho: Happy Seis de Mayo. (Soy siempre un dia luego.)

edd-right on. it's always nice to see that attention to detail. or is it nostaligia, as has been postulated?

was listening to 'pretzel logic' in my new apartment late last night. the two parts that struck me the most this time around listening were:

---the sublime harmonized vocal break in 'barrytown.' anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many layers of vocal harmony are in the pile there? amazing.

---the cheesy 'brady bunch' style horn arrangements in 'monkey in your soul.' had visions of enormous lapels and plaid polyester, and a plastic flower wearing game-show host. or maybe a really low budget porn flick....

(note clas, that ellipsis (the damned dots, dude) used at the end of a sentence require *four* dots with the use of the final period (the last dot, dude). that's *four* dots. not three, not five. *four* dots. your cooperation in this matter would be appreciated.)

peace,

rabbit

iamnotadotcounteriamnotadotcounteriamnotadotcounter.... (four)

Check it out...for those with fond memories...and she's married now, too...

Mindy Jostyn Home Page

Rabbit:

The Sweet bio (standard Sweet disclaimers apply) mentions that the "stick click" in the Aja drum solo was a mistake, but was later left in because it sounded good. It just sounds so perfect, though... that and the whistle. Who would have thought to stick a police whistle in that tune? Whoever it was, it's the little touches like those that make a song memorable.

--S.

Has anyone else out there seen Branagh's "Hamlet?" GET THEE TO A CINEMA!!!!!!!!!!! It's thrilling! Breathtaking! Rave, rave, rave! (Steely tie-in: It's raining boxcars that's for sure/ From Bakersfield to Elsinore)

Pete--great pix. You've got it all.

let me see if I have this straight: it's the click and the whistle that make "Aja" memorable? THE CLICK AND THE WHISTLE??????? ....Mr Linguist convinces me all over again that you are what you eat.

Roy, Gaucho couldn't give a shit about 5 de Mayo, he's from Argentina!

Dear Dan Fan: What I am gonna say that you don't already know? Their stuff is pure classic...I have never heard of anyone who dislikes the Dan. I guess what i would really like is to see D&W in a very small forum, so I could pretend that they are playing just for me. I live in northeastern Pennsylvania, a town called Wilkes-Barre. Hey D&W, you guys gonna be up my way ant time soon? Send me some Dan mail....is their a formal Fan Club?

Later, Ross

Total loss: You misinterpret my statement. I did not mean to imply that Aja is made memorable only by the click 'n' whistle... it's just that sometimes there are little touches of creativity in a given song that set it apart. In Aja's case, there are many of these things, and the click 'n' whistle are just one of them. Another (non-SD) example: In ELP's Karn Evil 9 (the whole suite... I'm not sure if the part I speak of is in the radio single), there is a very quick ragtime piano flutter when the singer mentions Alexander's Ragtime Band. While I appreciate the greater genius of songs like "Aja," I still dig the little stuff.

--S.

RABBIT: (note clas, that ellipsis (the damned dots, dude) used at the end of a sentence require *four* dots with the use of the final period (the last dot, dude). that's *four* dots. not three, not five. *four* dots. your cooperation in this matter would be appreciated.)

Nop! If you do three dots... it means that you kind of flowing out in the blue, so you donīt do the last period dot! But as Princess A said, this is a very ANAL obsession so I think we can talk about it on private emails?

DOC KELLY; Ok, I donīt know much about Robben Ford, but when I saw him at a jazzfestival here in Stockholm he had a threepiece band and they played boring blues-stuff. But then I noticed him on a Mike MacDonald- song, played great, I could not believe it was the same man. I did not know that he usually played jazzfusion stuff.

LUCKY HENRY: The D-tune in a Aminor chord donīt make it a Am11, perhaps a D11. So, tell me, how do I find this Hal Leonard book!? I am going to beat his ass off. (joking, hell I am not angry anymore, what is this?)

AND NOW I HAVE something very important to say, so you all better listen. I have seen a swedish Steely Dan site with a chatroom that is called Sign In Stranger. I know that is very tempting for all of us to run to that swedish book and leave our fave redneck StAl here alone. But I am begging you, should we do such an illojal thing? I am actually begging on my knees; let us stick to StAl. he has been very kind to us (let us all forget about the spirals). So, my vote is; LETīS STAY WITH StAl, and let the damn swedish morons die!

StAl for President!

Clas

Ross: welcome to the club. you gotta watch your dots, though. I mean, you need some kind of consistency there. just take some time and study the general instructions you might be able to find in the posts above and in the archives. Good luck ...

Clas: well, man, I also got the feeling you're not such an asshole. We could even have a little sing-along up there sometime and I might want to accompany you on my little accordeon, you know, the one I usually play on my veranda. well, no, I was kidding, I don't have an accordeon. I play this thing - the banjo? - with the four strings Walter used to play - before he grew up and got the one with six strings. yeah man, I also dig these weird chord progressions, I think I'm a chord slut, as well. oh wait, man, will you email me with your snail mail address? I might send you an audi. Or post with your current email address and I'll contact you.

And Clas: well, she's neither my little darling nor yours, or she is, and I'm only a little bit jealous, you know how it is with love [three dots here]. but I'd also like to met your priest - you tell me she's a nice person? what kind of church does she belong to? do they have late nite services? now I'll wait.

cunning linguist: yup. it's ALSO these little things that make songs not only remarkable but SO MUCH remarkable. it's the love for details that shines through. and I mean for every little detail.

Am I doing something stupid here? It feels like bungyjumping.

Hal Leonard, the CyberDon Book! How can I find it? Or is this some kind of sick joke?

Sweet be damned (and I can't find the reference to the mistake in my copy), I don't believe the click is a mistake.

The drum track builds perfectly, slowly capturing the listener until finally, when one has finally submitted, the end of the phrase is punctuated by the most primitive of percussion techniques ("Og, hit sticks again. Make sound good.") on the final beat of the measure.

Edd

Gleatings & Salivations!

Clas: We do the piano intro to MOS with the two guitars, same way as you cover the horn section, really - But Clas, Clas CLAS! You are doing yourself a major disservice to ignore Robben Ford. I know your taste can be more than a bit dodgy (11TOW?!), but otherwise you seem a pretty sound geezer. Clas, putting it extremely bluntly, apart from the Dan, Robben Ford is the only other performer able to make my nipples harden. And being rather well-endowed, this is a sight to behold...

Stiff: I'll send you a copy, no problems, but shall we swap demos in any event? Lemme know when/where Nearly Dan are gigging!

FineCol

The book your looking for is listed on Scott Borton's most excellent bibliography page at http://www.prairienet.org/~scott/steely_dan_bib.html I believe it's shown as: "The Best of Steely Dan" (transcribed score) Đ Hal Leonard Publishing Co. HL00675200...

Anthony - You said it yourself, I guess it's the thought that counts.

HELP

I need help from some unbiased and knowledgeable individual. I am looking for a "book" on rock history which has the family trees for various rock bands of the seventies. The name "Pete Frame" (author) comes to mind but I am not sure. The last time I saw a copy was back in 1985.

The "book" looks more like a tabloid magazine, and is not very thick. I recall that the "family trees" were very detailed and seemed to be drawn by hand.

I have seen the work of this author in a booklet included in the release of the three gold CD collection of Jethro Tull greatest hits.

If any of you can give me more info or tell me were I can get a copy I would be very thankful.

Gaucho Amigo

Pete: Excellent slide shows of both The Gorge in '96 and Orlando in '94! Thanks much.

So, why didn't they go with "Shredded Brain Compote"?

Joe

Well hello guys!

Yep, I am back and still healthy! I have been in Malaysia for 3 weeks and I missed you!

Maj: I know that this is really late and that JoeM also mentioned a Verve comp., but the Verve label also have one called Wes Montgomery plays the blues, if this is the same, sorry for the duplication. It does contain some classic studio and live stuff. West Coast Blues, Willow weep for me and so on. The live stuff included, with the Wynton Kelly trio is particularly good. not the best recording admittedly, but a good selection. just to make you really jealous, I have , but don't let on to my dad, about five original albums and a unique boxed set, which helped me seduce my now wife. it would take the viewing of a Dan session to part me from it. Donald, pay for my flight and it could be yours!!!

clas: How ya bin man???

about the click! Surely there was no error! It provides a cut off, a reprieve, a fall in the euphoria, while we all catch our breath. Besides, if DF & WB hadn't liked it, it would have been cut!

About the Chambers Aja thing, I too felt there was something not quite there. sorry to be so vulgar but it just ain't loud enough!

I did like that dirt on Jnoi Mitchell. Had a good laugh! She's good, and Court n' Spark gets regular spins!

Rabbit: I liked what you brought up about the JP/SG difference. The MMcD album is 'if that's what it takes' by the way. I think that JP has a punchier feel, a real kick and snappy snare, his style is VERY distinguishable. SG is more fluid, a jazzer, certainly more technical and plays quite a bit faster, if you know what i mean. However, this is no statement on quality. Gadd would not play Gaucho better, nor would Pocaro have worked better with Chick Corea. (My Spanish Heart is great!) To visualise, JP is (was) an arrow, SG is a spiral. Pseudo bollocks, sorry guys!

I was very sad when JP left us. Not just because I was due to see Toto is a few weeks, but because his contribution to professional music is so Goddam large.

I will never understand how a band like Toto did such great stuff, then started recording such a load of crap. Everything post IV is pretty damn uncool, with a few exceptions, namely the instrumentals and a few songs. What happened??? Answers please?

Anyway, laters babies

pretzels & mustard

C. Linguist: I tend to focus on small touches myself. And I honestly do know someone whose entire knowledge of and appreciation for Steely Dan is built on that police whistle in the middle of Aja.---One of my favorite strange SD details is the little peppy, happy guitar lick at the very end of the fade-out in "King of the World". Just as the poor guy's coughing up his last cobalt chunk and he gasps for his last post-nuclear breath, there's a rif that could have come right out of "Gravy Waltz". The whole grim story becomes almost uplifting.

@ a loss: You made me laugh out loud at my desk at work with your "You are what you eat" quip. Please post a notice the next time you're going to say something that funny during office hours. I guess your theory supports the fact that Cunning Linguist is not just another pretty face.

Gaucho: Sorry about the Mexican holiday salutation. To paraphrase Steely Dan, 'Solamente un tanto dice eso' or something like that. I just enjoy speaking languages badly.

hasty lumbago, RS

MW: Thanks for the heads-up. Hey, I dusted off an Aja period album last night: Al DiMeola's Casino from 1978. It features, besides the former Return to Forever guitar wunderkind, Anthony Jackson on bass and Steve Gadd on drums. The first cut, Egyptian Danza is a energetic and at times frenetic composistion that sounds something a etween Spanish folk, Arabian folk, and Bach on amphetamines. The interplay between Al DiMeola and S. Gadd is incre dible. The rhythms Gadd lays down are pretty complex, and he'. s problably one of the few drummers who could keep up with Al DiMeola - I'm in awe.

From that period, Gadd also played with a better than average rock group named Charlie, whch one one of their album covers, incidentally, had a young women on a bed with Ginsberg's Howl next to her.

Clas, you aptly self titled one half of "The Morons", meaning you and your son, keep your damned mouth shut about "the little woman" or you'll see me face to face. And yes, you'll recognize me, cause I'll be the one giving your Swedish ass a good old American ass kicking....four dots asshole.

I didn't know such a place existed, this is great! I saw the Dan in the states in 94, and it was well worth the trip. This past year I caught them at Wembley and must say I have lost some respect for Becker and Fagen. It seemed to me that they compromised quality for quantity (quid). Those backup singers were horrendous! They ruined a lot of the songs for me, especially Hey 19. That's the best B&F could get? And they're known for being perfectionists!!!

Trev: Welcome...

DrMu: Al DiMeola's "Elegant Gypsy" and "Electric Rendezvous" includes significant appearances by Steve Gadd...

Clas: Yes, you should check out the first Yellowjacket's album... .

Later y'all - Doc

clas--i beg to differ with you. at the end of a sentence, it's *four* dots, not three. you have to have a period to end the sentence, whether you're 'floating' or not. see there? that was the end of a sentence. there's another period there. and there too. with a few exceptions, sentences generally end with periods. you can end your elipsis with an exclamation point or question mark, too. did you know that? i can write:

when will we see the new dan album...?

or

vinyl is the key to all reality, really...!

you see how it works? it's easy. if you send me your e-mail address maybe you can explain to me where those two little dots over vowells in swedish writing should go. (that's two dots, right?)

edd--i think you're right. the click is no mistake. it's perfectly on an upbeat, and he mirrors it the next time around in the fill section with something similar. unless that's what he was trying to play the first time around, or decided to try to make it *sound* like it was on purpose by working something almost the same in the next time around. but it does sound pretty deliberate.

knight--i don't think 'isolation' sucks, but it definitely doesn't fit the style. it was pretty disconcerting to see toto with a lead vocalist doing david-lee-roth-style backflips off the drum risers. you are right to ask that question, 'what is up with that?' i think they just got too lazy to write their own music.

peace,

rabbit

Dr. Mu,

You're killin' me! Just stopped in to the Guestbook to kill a few minutes before a flight from LA to San Jose. Before I bought my first CD player in 1987, at which time my album collection began to collect the first particles of dust that sadly remain to this day, I used to turn others onto some fairly obscure tunes, including "Johnny Hold Back".

My bags are packed and the wife's pissed because I have to go down to the garage and check the liner notes as to the musicians in Charlie. Are you serious, Gadd !?! Where's my turn table when I need it!

Royal Scam - The whistle on the upbeat after beat 3 during the instrumental passage on Aja has always been a source of interest and intrigue. Leave it to the Dan to suck in a fan with such. Speaking of Gadd, could Aja be his finest moment?

Late for the sky,

Technicolor

Ignorant fucks. I ask a perfectly legit Q and I get shit.

And who the fuck is this "little man" standing up for the little woman?

And what the hell is a "good old American ass kicking" ? Is that like a senile donkey playing football ? Oh sorry, I guess you fucks play football with your hands. Makes sense.

Cojudos.

Pouring in from the Jazz Fess.

Sorry I didn't give any updates until now. Did anyone from here attend? The first weekend was very wet. Too much rain. I didn't catch very much. One outstanding show was Earth Wind and Fire. Lenny Kravitz joined in on a couple tunes. These dudes had one hell of a horn section. A perfect fit for any Dan gig. Another surprise, Keb Mo.

Second Weekend. Things started out with IGY playing while the stage crew set up. There were many great moments. So many groups I haven't heard or seen just blew me away.I hung out at the Jazz Tent. Awsome musicians. The Neville Bros. closed out. Incredible show.

Too tired to get into details now. Will give more updates later. I'll say it again. If you have never been to the Fess, you really should plan on going next year. All I could think about was how the Dan would fit in so great here. Don, Walt if your listening, get in contact with Quint Davis.

Checking into AA, Zeke.

Gaucho,

Give shit, get shit.

George: you see? the Groucho gets cranky after his dinner. He makes trouble. The other fellow jumps right in. Speaking of which: it was a cold and stormy night, as they say in the Quality Lit game; you get into the clear, you come round here, you just hop in and help me keep my tootsies warm. Remember, it's your turn.

Gaucho: I know which "rock family tree" book you're talking about. The author is indeed Peter Frame, and the work is indeed hand-written. However, it seems very hard to find, as you note... the last time I saw a copy was around 1994 at the Cuckoo's Nest, a music import specialty shop in downtown Chicago. You may be interested to hear that Frame does (did?) a monthly "Family Twig" feature for Mojo magazine, a music periodical published in the UK and occasionally found in finer record shops everywhere.

--S.

STANDING UP FOR THE LITTLE WOMAN: My email is above if there is something you want to talk about.

GAUCHO: You have to ask your Q several times here, 3d or 4th time you usually get some response.

I give donīt give a shit about those dots anymore, I suddenly lost my sence of humor, if I ever had one.

Clas at Ego City

"...or decided to try to make it *sound* like it was on purpose by working something almost the same in the next time around."

One of the first lessons any pro musician learns; Clams are singular. As soon as a clam is repeated it dies and becomes improvisation.

Edd

Dearest Cunning Linguist,

I now have a lead. I appreciate your kind contribution.

Thank you sir.

Dearest Clas ,

Cheer up man, this place would be a void without your "salsa".

Thanks to Marion too (I love it!, I love you guys)

Gaucho Marx

I heard another Muzak version of a Fagen tune in the Food Lion yesterday. This time it was "Trans Island Skyway". A few months ago, I heard a muzakked "Home At Last" in another Food Lion; someone in the grocery store public address music community is apparently very Dan-influenced. The H.A.L. cover was good, unfortunately, the T.I.S was pretty cheesy; reminiscent of "Sunshine Day" by the Brady Bunch.-----Have any of you struggling musicians ever participated in an actual elevator music recording session? I wonder if they say things like, "Okay boys, let's do the Snakehips number and make it bland! then we'll waltz into the violin version of "Fire Down Below" and 1-2-1-2-3-4..."

I watched part of a re-run of the TV show "Dream On" last night. The title of the episode was "The weekend at the college didn't turn out like they planned". They actually gave the sitcom audience credit for some degree of Dan-literacy.

RS

Roy.Scam:

Was the "Dream On" episode a tits or non-tits version?

R.O.C.K.

I came in to some strange Steely homepage with lots of wave-files one could listen to. The only problem was, when you opened the page some sequenced plastic organ begun to play Home At Last (horrible stuff). And you couldnīt turn it off so you could listen to the wave-files. Strange.

FINE COL; yeah, I thought so, I have always wanted to play that song. If you come to Stockholm could I join you on that one? If I promise to be polite and play right? Thatīs not much of a promise when it comes from me, I am a lousy "live"-musician. (was it Em or Am? Shit, it was Em!)

San Frans; Rebirth. How is your little?

Doc Kelly; Yes, yellow jackets, I have one of the latest, but that one sounds so damn digital. But Iīll check out the first one.

RABBIT! No, I mean yes: ...! ...? thatīs OK, but four dots, NO!

ZEKE; HI.Itīs time to sober up? I heard about the festival, 16 stages with different bands. 2 weeks! You lucky son of a major9.

Gaucho; you see, if you live long enough you could enjoy some weird struff. See you.

R.O.C.K.; Look at me, get sober and you got lots of friends, asshole.

I see I see I C I A, clas

Edd, Rabbit), & other detailheads--You guys are unreal!! Call me deaf, but I confess I can't hear the famous click, or if I do hear it, I can't separate it out. See, I have more of an ear for the forest and for the lyrics than for instrumental nuance, and I can see I'm missing out on a lot (viz. the Eddman's deconstructions of "Bodhisattva," etc.). Tell you what, on the next tour, can I sit between Edd and Joe M., in front of Rabbit and Pete F., and behind SFK, St. Al, & Senor Roy? Y'all could teach tihs old dog some new sticks!

Really, I go limp over little details too, but more with vocal stuff: e.g., "like a Roman with her eyes on fire" with its repetition of the long i sound, and the way Mike McDonald sings "Broadway duchess." BTW, I've always been fond of that whistle too.

C.L.--I think you should put your money where your mouth is.

Roy--"Solamente un tonto diria eso;" don't worry, Skunk messed it up pretty good, too.

Joe M.--I don't know about SBC, but I've got the corner on Carolina Num-nums.

love, o. PS: any other southpaw INFP's slung down low to the ground out there? Please post----

Sorry for the back-to-back, but Clas, at the risk of getting you going again, IMHO DF is every bit as brilliant as a lyricist as WB. Just listen to "On the Dunes," for example, or "Ruby Baby" (just kidding--JUST KIDDING!), or "The Goodbye Look."

BTW, I always pair "Cringemaker" with OTD, because they both are guys' perspectives on relationships gone sour, whereas T'sG's is less about feelings than about Women vs. Men writ large. Both narrators are deeply lonely; in C he's still in the relationship watching it fall apart, from an emotional distance (with great powers of observation, I might add; I wince (cringe) at the description because I was a cringemaker just like that once in my relationship--but then again so was my husband), and in OTD as a "homicide" victim, post-relationship, in that place where every happy person you see seems but another twist of the knife.

Way more than you wanted to hear, O-ver & out.

Ole O: The click happens after the "4th" phrase of Wayne Shorter's solo over the closing vamp (not the CLOSING vamp, but the same vamp that's used at the end, that is used in the middle), which happens after the "latin tinged" transition marimba section. The click is, indeed, after the whistle. Listen, it'll make sense when you listen, it'll make sense.

confsued yte?

YGK

WHAT!!!!??? Eddman disected Bodi????

Where?

WHAT!!!!??? Eddman disected Bodi????

Where?

Something's cookin'... Official Dan has been down all day.

Slammin': Official Dan looks fine to me no changes. Damn.

That's right Edd, and as soon as improvisation is repeated it dies and becomes smooth jazz.

Maj: I'll get ya an (800) number for the "Turf Royal".

DrMu, Doc: You guys made me drag out the wax to dig the amazing Stevie w/ Al Di, truely...um... amazing...your right.

Babs: What's *your* Jungian sign?

mWorld

Pissboy:

Have Becker's lawyers tracked you down yet?

R.O.C.K.

2 a, Look again, buddy...Yes Changes.

FineCol: I thought I'd give you my address in the hope you can send me yours. Or even your address (sorry, flatemate has high inuendo problem) I'm at 2a Larch Close, Oxford. OX2 9EW

My band is currently only doing covers (Blues Brothers, Otis Redding, etc.) but I have some original stuff from my past days, if your are interested. Oh, just to avoid confusion, in the non e-mail world I am known as Will Cruttenden... rather than Stiff. It's a long story.

Toodles,

Will

what changes?

amanda

> Edd dissected Bodi? Where?

Right here...

Edd

steely dan! I've had the privilegie to see them live. Me and two other dan-freaks took a weekend off and drove from stockholm, Sweden, down through denmark to Hamburg, Germany. After spending a few hours drinking german beers we went to the consert. Feels like it was a onse in a lifetime oppertunity. We were there and so was Walter and Donald. Whenever they'll be back in Europe I'll be there too.

steely dan! I've had the privilegie to see them live. Me and two other dan-freaks took a weekend off and drove from stockholm, Sweden, down through denmark to Hamburg, Germany. After spending a few hours drinking german beers we went to the consert. Feels like it was a onse in a lifetime oppertunity. We were there and so was Walter and Donald. Whenever they'll be back in Europe I'll be there too.

Fagan is the lord,so how do I find his gospel (tab) so my band can cheat with the writings?

EddCote - I was amazed when I read your post that said:

"re: stick click Dennis Chambers included it when they did "aja" at Great Woods in '94. I think I was the only one who noticed. At the very least, I has the only one who applauded."

Edd, Great Woods? I was wondering why I heard someone clapping when no one else in the entire venue was...during Aja, as I recall.

You know, rumor has it that during the recording of Babylon Sisters, Bernard Purdie had a problem of wax buildup in his right ear. So, everytime the girls would sing "shake it", this would give Purdie the opportunity to free up his right index finger and quickly try to remove the wax before his hand was needed for the Purdie Shuffle. So, there I was at Jones Beach 1994, Donald was singing the shit out of Babylon Sisters, Chambers was nailing the shuffle, then just as the girls broke into their "shake it" routine, Chambers goes right to the ear! I couldn't believe it! He used the right index finger, no less! I stood up, applauded, and yelled out, "Just like the recording!" And believe me, Edd, I know what you mean, I was the only one that even noticed it. Could you believe it??

Say, Hal/Kinky/Bogus Persona/Minus life - oh but I'm getting ahead of myself here!

One question... At Jones Beach in '94 while Chambers was nailing the Purdie Shuffle, where was your right index finger?

Steely Dan is quite possibly the most trailblazing band of their time. I've been pretty into them for about 10 years and I have to say, the more I get into other kinds of music(from Miles& Coltrane to Jamiroquaior Cordurouy) the more I love Steely. I would appreciate more info on them. Thanks.

standing up: you do your very best - which might not be much. people are so sensitive sometimes. but i agree it's a thin (white) line between fun and offence. peace out.

dr.Mu: Hey, you are the very first person I know of who's got that Charlie album! I was quite uncertain whether this was the one Steve Gadd I knew from Aja. I'll give that one another close listen tonite.

Marion: yes, my dear, the kids won't listen. sometimes they cool down before it's all a mess, though. but I's also sayin' to meself, you gotta take some steps here. maybe it'd help them all to check their profiles. before they hit the Post button. with their index fingers.

And, yes, I'd also vote for #2, the infotainment thing. God, I almost passed out over the "Les letters". gimme some more ...! You gotta visit the ODP on a regular basis.

Today's puzzler: If we Euro-Dans have an extra track on 11TOW (12TOW?) then what one are you missing in the land of the free. Eh?

Stiff

2b: the Offician Dan page hasn't changed since Monday, unless I'm completely missing something here.

Edd: Another fun and amusing post - dishes! go figure.

Now, how about analyzing AJA?

You do take requests, no?

YGK

2c: Well, that's what I get for not checking every day...the 'band name blurb' and 'KTGA' were new to me...btw, very noisy on your side of the wall last night - turn up the Eagles.

YGK--Edd was just joking about the dishes.

Stiff--We have 12. Do you have 13?

I'm currently working on a request for "Monkey In Your Soul", so "aja" will have to go in queue.

I'm not sure I could do justice by the tune. I consider it not only D&W's finest, but also a definitive work in "rock" (I use the term loosely) history.

We'll see...

Edd

"We thank you for your support".

Monkey sounds straight ahead, but then again, it's D&W....

Maj., YGK, Edd : made an XNTP at the moment, need to check into both possibilities a little bit, but i guess i'm more ENTP. really interesting thing so far.

Well...I am interested in arranging some vocal ensemble Dan tunes. Any suggestions? Help? I've got about two months out of class to do what I want, so I'm going to try to have some stuff ready for the Fall semester, and try to get it performed. Please please please, reply if you have ideas or info, or even if you think it's a rotten idea. will post again... dave

I'll bet an a capella interpretation of "Maxine" would be too cool...

Edd

Dave: "True Companion"... with all those layers of harmony, especially on the "I've been dreaming of my own Ring World" part... that'd be smooth.

I am having one of those days where I am doing nothing at all. My boss is a twat, and there is no chance of him looking at these pages because, well he's a twat. So he can go blow!

Thought I'd spend a few minutes posting to the coolest bunch of guys on the planet.

Clas: Yeah, Chloe is cool and she really does appreciate the Dan. It appears that her favourite disk is Royal Scam, but I am not sure why. I tell her that Carlton's all time classic solo or Purdie's slick syncapation is what it's all about but I don't think that she takes it in. But she definatly prefers it to other stuff.

Mr Droddy: I agree with Edd, he seems to have his finger on the red button. But if you want another idea, how about Florida Room from DF's Kamakiriad. That would work very well, it is kind of sweeping and floaty and would suit 5/6 voices; also, given that horns would normally break each lyrical phrase, you have a fair amount of freedom as to how you link each phrase. Plenty of freedom for your voices to show off as it were! You will need to work hard on the intro though. get it captivating but get into the lyrics quick sort of thing.

Mel Tormé has already done a fantastic rendition of The Goddbye Look, so you will have to avoid that one.

If you pull it off, could you send me your charts. I also do close harmony and have a small bunch who would enjoy a decent challenge?

Maj: did you get youyr Wes? He's the man!!!

Edd: Why Monkey in your soul?? I find that one a bit through away. It's good and punchy but there is much better, in my opinion. Why not Gaucho itself???

Anyway, laters baby

pretzel butt

George: There he is big as life on the back cover of "No Second Chance." That's the one with 'Johnny Hold Back" and "Turning to You." If that's not *the* Steve Gadd, it's a hell of an imitation. He's got this characteristic way of going from one end of the drum kit to the other and also his "filling" up top. "Turning to You," a pretty decent pop song, provides a nice co mparison with the Dan. Doc: I'm ill.... been looking desparately for Elegant Gypsy. It may have accidentally made it's way to my wife's garage sale last year- I barely saved a Prefab Sprout album

...a vocal arrangement of Deacon Blues would be masterful....

R.O.C.K.-The Dream On episode with the Reelin' reference was definitely rated N.T. (non-tits), probably because I saw it on the Comedy Central network which has a pre-broadcast tit filter. But if the episode with Donna Mills comes on HBO, be sure to bring your prurient interests and wear your Fez.

Oleander: You? A cringemaker? Sayitain't so. (Funny, you don't look shrewish.) I'm sure you were an articulate and soulful cringemaker, and made rejection and marital discord an entertaining and enlightening experience.

My pairing of Cringemaker with Tomorrow's Girls was based largely on the tune, rhythm, and instrumentation. On the Dunes is another great "girl-kills-boy" song but sounds nothing like the other two. I think I heard somewhere that O.T.D. was written in the early 80's.

I have the video wherein DF and Warren B show you how to play Fagen songs. It's really fun to be able to watch D.F.'s hands up close when he plays Peg and O.T.D. I guess I suffer from pianist envy.

RS

So, O-leander: It's May - don't mean to pest, but when are you gonna be in the Slope?

(always psyched to meet another Dan-Fan, and put the rumors to rest)

Y'all don't seem to get it. Some of you seem to have a yearning for a knuckle sandwich. If you think it's your business, it isn't. If it is your business, make it none of your business. And Clas, if I have more to say to you, I'll just pick up the phone.

Hey Standing, what the hell are you talking about, and to whom?

Stand up and be counted - don't be so vague...

Speak, boy, speak...

DrMu: Oh man... ! Myself, being single, there's no chance of entering GARAGE SALE HELL! Looking at the bright side, now's your opportunity to buy the CD...

mWorld: tee time: T minus 3 hrs 20 min & counting...

Having fun on a Friday afternoon, NOT AT WORK! - Doc

MIYS was a request and, hey, I'm easy.

Edd

Turf Royal number? Like 1-800-DA-KINE1 ????? Am I right?

Yes, it seems that more than one citizen has delved into the mystical self and enjoyed the Kiersey Temperment Sorter. I sure would love to know who posted that link. Please mail me.

Anyways.... This is the first in what will probably be many posts relating to the "Behind The Mask: Walter & Donald Revealed" summer project which I mentioned earlier. ( If they'd just tour, damn it, then they's save themselves the misery of being the subject of my subjecting).

Question 1: Can anyone give some examples of SD songs which were written by: all-Donald or all-Walter. I need to isolate some samples of their writing styles, aside from their solo efforts.

Thanks, Citizens, you're gonna love this!!

BTW, don't do anything earth-shaking with your results of the Kiersey. While it's a good indicator of personality, it was intended to serve as a starting point to personality typing.

Laters, maj.

Edd Cote,

Very nice work. Q2 to you.

(For those of you who didn't get it, in Spanish Q2 is pronounced ku-dos)

Dave: I think Everyone's Gone To The Movies would be awesome. There's so many background vocal opportunities. And it's got humor. I was listening to it on Citizen, disc 4, last night. They must have had so much fun recording that version! It's kinda red-necky and tacky but I loved it! You could at least play with it...

DeeConBluz: I finally had time to listen to Deacon Blues. I opened a bottle of wine and started fixing dinner. I actually had a good time. DB goes very well with savignon blanc.

BTW, what does "this one's for real, I already bought the dream" mean exactly?

George: I am posting again, aren't I?

Standing: I am OK now. The big clod doesn't even know what he did. Thanks for caring. It's alright to let it go now. There's death, there's taxes, and there's men behaving badly. A woman survives w/ or w/out you all.

RubyBaby

RUBY; What ARE you talking about?

OLEANDER; Yes, Fagen is great, maybe I am comparing Kamakiriad and 11 T O W.

SF KNIGHT; yes, go on and feed your little girl with Steely music, thatīs how I raised my son, and he is pretty good on the guitar now.

Clas

GEORGE, RUBY AND ASSOCIATED; When I said that you (George) were mad because I made a call to your gal, I meant the drunk call I made to Maxine. And when I was talking about my conversation to my priest and her moisty little body, that was NOT refering to anyone else but this imaginary "priest".

I think itīs a good thing for men standing up for their wifes, but I donīt think itīs a good thing for paranoid men standing up for paranoid wifes. And I donīt like when they post to me anonimous. But I guess that is the way they do in good US of A.

Clas

M: Thanks for last night, this morning too, thanks, you were (and are) exquisite. But look how early in the morning you have to get up anymore to start rousting the opposite sex - it's 4 AM in Lappland, the Lapps haven't even begun lapping yet, and our man is already up and at'em. No easy job, being a cybercad, Scandinavian or otherwise. Neil and I are yawning aloud, just thinking about it.

Oleander: Now I'm getting confused. I suspect twelve tracks s standard for 11 TOW but isn't someone getting one more or one less? I guess I'm just hoping there is a WB song I have yet to hear.

Aja has taken on a whole new feel now I've been playing it on the way to gigs in the car. 'I'll be what I want to be' (usually a bassist who only remember a riff seconds before playing it).

Pip pip

Stiff

Stiff, on the Japan release of 11ToW there was 13 tracks, the 13th being a great song called Medical Science.

That Boz Scaggs show on VH1 is supposed to air sometime tomorrow.

If you haven't heard Medical Science, I have a clip of it on my website.

STEELY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edd & sf knight--'monkey in your soul'--it's the cheesy, polyester bell-bottom horns that make it for me. that, and the weird, flatulant bass part (that is the bass, isn't it?). how can you not like that?

edd--never heard it called a 'clam' before. but you're right. it's the whole 'i meant that!' kind of thing.

kinky--'ooh you are so big. gosh we're all real impressed down here i can tell you.'

clas--you english language kung fu is very good, but not good enough. trust me man, it's not just 'four dots,' it's 'three dots and a period.' very important difference. count 'em--one, two, three, AND A PERIOD.

the whole problem is that i majored in English Lit in university, so i have this horrible anal-retentive fixation on punctuation. don't EVEN get me started on split infinitives.

i guess it doesn't matter, but one thing that does matter is your continued insulting of the united states. come on, man, you've got to be more imaginitive. it's stupid to try to use someone's country to flame them. think about it:

'well, i guess that's just how you NIGERIANS are!'

is that pathetic, or what? or how about:

'well, not surprising considering you're a SWEDE!'

or:

'i guess all you LITHUANIANS are all the same!'

or:

'goes to show you what MONGOLIANS are all like!'

see what i mean?

the fact that this guy is posting anonymously has nothing to do with the country he comes from. i bet you can find anonymously-posting assholes in any country with computers.

so please cut that shit out.

peace,

rabbit

Hi, guys! I missed you! I tried to talk to you before but I just got a blank screen. Oh, well, I have to go, but I'll be back sometime later at some point.

Don't seem right. I've been strung out here all night.

Me

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

R O C K; Yes, I was tracked down by Beckers lawyers, 48 of them came to my office the other day. I pissed on them and then I threw them out of the window. The last I saw was their dumb, wet US-asses crawling back to the airport. ( one of them was shiting in his pants, he claimed his name was Larry Saulters )

RABBIT; Or what about this: "is this how you do things in Sweden, you perverted lapplandiar", or "you are a good ad for Sweden you spermbrusher, suck my fat dick" etc etc... and YOU are talking about insults!

I could go on but I wonīt.

GEORGE; Do you want to hear the rest of the story about my naked, moisty little priest?

A serious question;

Being busy to count dots and bait jealous husbands I have forgot to ask this: How can I get a copy of these unrealesed Steely songs, Jack of Speed, Wet Side Story and others?

Here's the answers!

> 1) Is it about the Mafia?

No.

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

No.

3) What is the city of St. John?

The capital city of "Rich Port."

Edd

G: Oh look, that is precious - one of them has got you mixed up with the other George fellow. He's still trying to bait you/him with the priesty business. As if you, of all people, might know or care anything about a priest, in your condition. Or me in mine, for that matter.

Happy anniversary, darling. M

Roy--ever the gentleman! Only you could put such a gallant spin on my connubial conniptions. Just be glad you weren't a fly on that wall.

Eddman--whatever you decide to deconstruct is chill in my book. Have at it.

YGK--May? At this point it may be the May-llennium before I repair to your barrio. Hope sooner! But I know how to reach you....(ecce ellipsis) And which rumors? Yours I hope?

Ruby-->this is for real/I already bought the dream: you have to hear it in context--I think this is someone looking back on one life ("that shape is my shade [ghost/doppelganger]/there where I used to stand") and saying farewell--and affirming that the new one is "for real," not just a fantasy. He's "bought" the dream, not just tried it on ("there's no return," to borrow from a nearby song). There can as usual be double or triple meanings in "the dream," of course--another dream that soured & must be cast away, e.g. the American Dream? The last 4 lines of the stanza turn him toward the dream as new reality--and incidentally sum up the SD attitude toward deconstructing their lyrics--"so useless to ask me why"!

Rabbit--did your major in Eng. include an ee cummings fetish?

Edd again--now now. Let's not be so Dannish with the Cretacean.

Happy day to all you othah mothahs

Hey RubyBaby,

Deacon Blues goes well with anything :)

DCB

and boy are my arms tired...

Let's see if we can come up with some sort of "canonical" (whatever the fuck that means) list of things that have always puzzled us in the lyrics deeds and words of the men of Steel..

I'll start:

1) What the hell is a "Boston Rag"? What is it's significance to the song? I understand that the streets used in the song aren't those of Boston and I also know that Lonnie (who swept the playroom) was a roomate at Bard...so how does it work that one should tell, "...all your buddies that it ain't no drag."? Is this a purposeful incongruity? Is a Boston Rag just a suppository?

2) Does anyone know what kind of speakers were used to mix AJA? I understand that they used some very "rock" speakers to mix the first few albums. Just as an aside, Zappa once went out and bought a pair of popular mid price speakers and mixed one of his albums on them just so that the listener could have some sort of guide-post. I thought that was a cool idea. I think Walter made some sort of notation on 11TOW about speakers too..doubt I could afford 'em though. What's everyone listening to the Dan on? 'Posed to be an audiophile group (you know..trenchcoats and all that) but I honestly started listening to the Dan via a shitty best-of cassette. I had a K-mart hand-me-down stereo after that. Finally I use Paradigm MKII 9's and I like them juzz fine after that hell. Need a better cd player but I am gonna wait for HDCD. The gold Mobile Fidelity Labs AJA CD is one of the best I own. The "tone" differences between the remasters are DEFINITELY there. I've bought the catalogue THREE FUCKING TIMES. I'm happy with the box set.

3) Why aren't there more references to LESBIANS and LESBIANISM in the music of steely dan? Other than Rose Darlin Steely Dan is pretty much Lesbo-Free. More Dykes.

Anyhoo...I believe I have blown my digital wad...best of luck to you and yours,

Shindig.

Funny piece from Rockline Interview with Mark Knopfler

MK: Thank you]. You're welcome, my question was, back in 1980, when you worked on, ironically enough, Steely Dan's GAUCHO album with Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, how did that all come about? You worked on the tune "Time Out of Mind", which is a fantastic tune. Did they come to you? Did you go to them? It's a great tune, I love it, how did that all happen?

MK: No, you get sessions by, usually, people come to you and ask you, you can't go barging up to people who you don't know and saying, suggesting, that um .... No, actually that was the first proper session that I ever did, so it was a real, you know, in at the deep end, there, because of course I rated them so highly, and it was a great way to actually, to start. But I was kind of shocked, because I wasn't really familiar with you know, the session world, or how people refered to things, and this, that and the other. So it took me by surprise, a bit, and I was there till about 4 o'clock in the morning. And I remember walking out of that session, and looking at the engineer, and saying "Man, I mean, wow, how was all that?" I mean, I was kind of puzzled, you know. And he said "Man, don't worry," he said, "you did great", he said "you wanna see - you know they been through a hundred and fifty musicians, crawling out on their knees." So I thought, oh well, it can't have been too bad. But, you know, you get to, when you do more and more and more sessions, you get to know the way that it all works and you just get more used to it, you know, time spent doing it and everything else. It was a privilege to play on the record.

Hey Shindig,

re previous: Why do you think Rose Darlin' is lesbian reference? I believe(could be wrong)the Boston Rag was a 20s dance. Seems like Fagen was commenting on pre-drug culture pasttimes, good, clean fun things which people today don't have the patience,focus or cultural encouragement to learn or engage in.

Cret3

Hey Shindig,

re previous: Why do you think Rose Darlin' is lesbian reference? I believe(could be wrong)the Boston Rag was a 20s dance. Seems like Fagen was commenting on pre-drug culture pasttimes, good, clean fun things which people today don't have the patience,focus or cultural encouragement to learn or engage in.

Cret3

Elegant Gypsy- awesome! One of my non Dan all time favorites-CBS 1/2 spd vinyl is best presentation of this evocative gem. Anyone know any details of the Gaucho composition/Kieth Jerrett deal??- have a specific reason for knowing more detail about this "incident"- nothing insidious mind you, but relevant. If any Dansters do pls Email me. Q -patiently waiting for the next tour.

What! Are there several Georgees on this Book? That explains my confusion here.

RABBIT; I just checked in my book " Swedish Language Rules", in Sweden there should be only three dots. But if you have another rule in USA Iīm not gonna fight it anymore.....

I got a problem here with some chords on Black Friday. i get back to you in a couple of minutes.

Clas

"When Black Friday falls, you know itīs got to be" - chords in Steely Complete: A G F# G F#/D# A/D A/B, but this F#/D# sounds wrong to me, I want it to be a F#m/D#.

Am I right or am I wrong?

the Dandy of Gamma Chi, Clas

FineCol: What do you play?

Teresa: I just read your May 4th post about the mastubation/suicide mix up. The (very painful thought) that crossed my mind was that 'top myself' could cover both eventualities. Simultaneously. Ouch! Myself, I prefer the phrase 'buff the happy lamp.'

Midnight Cruiser: Thanks for the information. Now I have to dedicate my life to finding Medical Science. So to speak.

Pip pip,

Stiff

FineCol: What do you play?

Teresa: I just read your May 4th post about the mastubation/suicide mix up. The (very painful thought) that crossed my mind was that 'top myself' could cover both eventualities. Simultaneously. Ouch! Myself, I prefer the phrase 'buff the happy lamp.'

Midnight Cruiser: Thanks for the information. Now I have to dedicate my life to finding Medical Science. So to speak.

Pip pip,

Stiff

Bollocks! I posted twice.

No finer boating music than Steely Dan.

StAl

"I've got a gal and Ruby is her name"

Ahhhh, MAD MONA takes a break from baking gospel candy....

Thanks, JE, for pointing out that Bodhisattva and Barrytown were Donald-only lyrics. How bout Walt-only lyrics? "Let's hear it!"

Lucky: Thanks for the answering machine ear candy. Nuthin' sweeter than hearing those Pehhhhg-chords-on-the-home-Fender-as-played-by-Lucky-recorded-on-my-machine.

maj.

Clas: yes, there's another George currently around (how about Geo K.?). We are separate persons. We share views, though, like "it's an attitude, not a problem", and there's Marion, also. Regarding the Black Friday chords, I use G-F-E-F keeping the D in the top position of the right hand, then E over E, G over C, G over A. You see, I took it down one whole note to be able to sing it. Try it for yourself. I never played the E over C#, which would meet the book description, but will try so tonite. I don't think a Em (or F#m) would be ok.

Ruby: thanks! stay on board pls!

Re: "the dream". I thought that "Deacon Blues" was a straight-forward personal song about a guy whose "dream" is to be Deacon Blues the sax man and live the jazz life with his teahouse pals. The Royal Scam, on the other hand, takes on the lofty theme of the 'American Dream' wherein naive immigrants from places like, oh, let's say San Juan, can find the promised land; which, of course, turns out to be waisting time in the back room working for somebody similar to the Mafia. Check out the "America" number in Bernstein/Sondheim's "West Side Story".

Oleander: Thanks for correcting my "only a fool would say that" Spanish grammar.-- Mrs. McPhillimey would come down from Spanish teacher heaven and kick my Anglo-Saxon ass for that subjunctive/present tense mixup.

Shindig: Rose darling? Lesbians? I'm not listening. My hands are covering my ears. Snake Mary is a chaperone. No more, no less. Indigo somewhere else with your heresy.

RS

Royal: You mean that Rose Darling ISN'T about Ellen DeGeneres? I heard somewhere that she's a lesbian....maybe she even loves the Dan?

Royal: I always thought that Rose Darling was a song about masturbation, kinda in the same vein (ugly pun) as Rosie by Jackson Browne. I thought Rose was just slang for his hand and he was having to rough up the suspect because Mary just wasn't getting the job done for him anymore.

"All I ask of you is make my wildest dreams come true" - little bit of fantasy

"No one sees and no one knows" - a little under the cover action?

"The spore is on the wind tonight" - If it is "on the wind" then there is no partner

"We'll wear the weary hours down" - I'll let that one speak for itself...

Just a few thoughts! And HELLO to everyone in Steely Dan land!

El Sup

Let's not bring Ellen DeGenerate onto this guestbook, OK?

st. al--beautiful boat! and a perfect name for her too. : )

el supremo--dammit! i don't think i'll ever be able to listen to that song the same way again...

amanda

As requested, "Monkey In Your Soul."

Anti-deconstructionists should NOT follow the link.

Edd

BTW - Anyone who wants to experience some SERIOUS deconstructon should check out Alan W. Pollacks Notes On Series.

Edd

thanx EDD!!

St. Al - Great boat!, Congrats man, happy trolling.

Doc: Hope you hit 'em straight.

Maj: I tried that number, disconnected...

mW

Walter,

Ha! The Windsor Unimax 5000 computer system you say? Not only was this ghastly 4-bit monstrosity already antiquated even by 1973 standards, but it was also so off-the-charts bug ridden that even someone of Jack Tafoya's dubious computer skills should've known better than to utilize it for test market research investigations! Hell, I've seen better CPU's in your every day, garden variety household food processor for crissakes. To say nothing of the pathetic bubble sort algorithms available circa 1973 for generating those "9,087 best names for the burgeoning group" as you so optimistically enunciated. Did you realize that these "best names" were derived from a computer that would routinely drop an LSB due to; a) a sudden Penko Power induced surge; b) Electro-Static Discharge (typically brought on by some vainglorious record company exec perpetually running a comb through his/her hair whilst milling around the machine); or c) the keystroke sequence J-a-c-k-o?

Based on all of this rather malleable data, I would have to conclude that your whittling down of the band name to "Steely Dan" was nothing if not a shear random act of god... that or you guys just happened to like that infamous Billy Burroughs Tome... one or the other.

mW: still a little early in the season for straightness... although bogey golf this early ain't bad... shaved the beard knowing I'd be out in the sun... 27 holes...

Joe: I still can't get enough of Manassas...

Everybody else: I'm hoping the SUMMER 97 text on the SD page changes to a link soooooon!!!

Later - Doc

"Tom Schiller" (the author of the WU5000 thing) is a real; guy, not one of WB's alter egos -- he used to write for Saturday Night Live a while back.

inspired by actual events that happened not even a week ago, i have rhetorical questions to pose:

you're finally in Florida (amelia island to be exact, humming "on the dunes", "florida room", or "walk between raindrops", whatever), where one of your old friends is about to change his life forever with marriage,and he's in charge of the big 100 CD jukebox that will be playing the hits during the reception - a big outdoor bash at one of the plantation/golf clubs down there.

Your friend, KNOWING your obvious taste in music, leaves you the no. 2 spot on the CD play list, and you've planned this scene for what seems like forever, so you bring your favorite SD album for JUST such an event.....only to have your better half ride off with your SD CD whilst she attends a rehearsal or shower, just as you need it!

because you have such good taste in friends, your buddy has "Decade" already loaded as a bittersweet second choice.

the two-part question i pose, hypothetically, is: 1) what WOULD have been your album/song choice if you would have had the foresight to hold onto it when you needed it, and b) what is your second choice off of "Decade"?

I'm assuming your depth of SD appreciation goes further than your radio here, i know...if anyone cares to offer ideas as to what i had to choose, i'd be interested...and, no, i didn't choose "Black Cow".....

in the corner | of my eye | i saw you in rudy's | you were very high

rudy.

Just In Case: You mean WB has "bogus personas" too??

"...Broadway Duchess, darling, if you only knew..."

mW: what numbah?

On the first tee: "Way back when in sixty-seven, (practice swing) I was a dandy Sigma Phi, sweet things from Boston so young and willing, rolled down to Scarsdale, (whack!) WHERE THE HELL AM I?"

Just made a few music carts at the station from Walter's Whack -- the 1:10 intro to Hat, 20-sec piece of LCM, 40 sec intro to Hard Up Case, the latter of which may punt Donald's New Frontier segment from official teme song of my show. I was wearing headphones and could hear layers of guitars like never before. I hope the new recording sounds that good. When Walter's awake, he be damn good.

Philly Citizens: "In Transition" airs Tuesday night 5-13, 8-9pm, on 88.9 WBZC-FM, Pemberton.

"...there was never any question, it was always all or nothing, SURF AND/OR DIE."

maj.

GEORGE (THE NICE ONE):

Iīm pretty sure that the right chords are (played with the record yesterday) :

A G F# F#m/D# (which means D# in the bass) A/D A/B - donīt let it fall on me - no chord.

StAL, Nice boat. But what the hell has happened to those houses? Has some serious partying going on there? An StAl, you donīt look like a redneck to me.

GAUCHO alias Clas: where are you?

Clas

"If I had my way, I would move to another lifetime ..."

Rudy: no, I would not have chosen the above as my friends intro into marriage, though I must admit it would put some humour to the scene. but I imagine also having put surprise into the CD list.

Supremo, Shindig: don't think I'm with you on your interpretations of Rose Darling. I always loved the idea of the concealed love scenes (yes, Snake Mary, the chaperone) between Rose and her lover. "... with only you and what I've found ...". While "the spore is on the wind tonight", she certainly "won't feel it 'til it grows", but then?!

Rudy again: yeah, into this great scenery of joy and harmony I'd have planned to throw "Rose Darling", but well, as that's on my SOH's dearest album it's lost, borowed, away and gone. So Decade? Yeah, I get the feeling that Hey Nineteen would make a great party song, with "the Cuervo Gold, the fine colombian ...". But given the way we are and the fun we like to have, yeah, I would have put "Peg" into the player list. Nothing else.

Clas: yes, I do think the Black Friday chords in the Best Of book are correct and original, listen to the bass line, its an F# over D#, A over D, A over B. Keeping the E through the chords before - as said in my last post - into the F# chord adds a nasty harmony to this F# over D# and makes it an F#7 over D# but I believe that's not in the original chart.

Walter & Donald: thanks for all these crazy chord progressions. where would I be without 'em?

Supremo: If this interpretation of "Rose Darling" is correct, i.e., that Rose is actually Rosie Palm and her five daughters (aka: Minnie Fingers) and if Jackson Brown's "Rosie" is also about self gratification, then perhaps 'Rose' is actually a pop-music code word for choking the old chicken. In that case we've just nailed down Neil Diamond and his Cracklin Rosie (and all this time we thought that was about booze). Not to mention Barbara Streisand and her "Second Hand Rose" (when one hand just isn't enough). I guess even Nat King Cole did a little Ramblin' with miss Rose.

RE chord progressions for the Freudian version of Rose Darling: Begins with a major augmented and ends with a minor diminished.

Shindig, Supremo: What's the Freudian spin on Caves of Altamira? Fire in the Hole?

RS

George: Hmmm....secret love? Could be. But "You won't feel it til it grows" supports which argument.... ;-)

Roy: A code word conspiracy? I like that! While "Rosie" by Jackson Browne is blatant: "You wear my ring", "When you hold me tight, that's my thing", "When you turn out the light, I got to hand it to me/Looks like it you and me again tonight, Rosie", I never even considered the ramifications of the other two you mentioned. Living in Louisville, you have given me new reason to second-guess "Run for the Roses"... :-)

And "Fire in the Hole" and "Caves of Altimira"? I'll let those rest, but I might have just added an extra defini