Signed in stranger

TERESA: Yeah, I love 11 TOW. I think Walter becker is more interesting as a lyric-writer than Fagen. Give The Moody Bastard a chance.

Lucky Henry: Itīs ok, I have counted them several times and it seems to me that everything is correct.

Bodacious Cowbell: I am Sorry, it is okay that you ask about your knee. You know, I thought it was something UGLY you asked Oleander, like psycho-things, mind-things or even sex things or tits or something. And donīt mention drugs, that is a very very ugly thing to talk about.Those things are very UGLY. But your knee, that is a very pretty thing. So Iīve heard.

Apropos UGLY, I have heard a band that writes LYRICS about such ugly things, pedophily (just when I say boy we canīt miss...) and even about DRUGS (tonight when I chase the dragon...) (... illegal fun, under the sun...) I think that is very UGLY! I certainly hope that little kids donīt listen to that shit.

Well, now I will show you some chords that are Steely-signed. Simple tricks you can do in your sparetime. I need a person here,

George, sit down at your piano. What, you donīt have a piano? Well, imagine you have a piano... piano, you know that thing... white and black keys... OK, you donīt know. Ehhh, do you by any chance have another instrument? A banjo? No, itīs ok. I understand.

Amanda - ooooops, sorry Princess,

well, anyone:

play these chords with your right hand, very slow:

Bb C D Eb F - that does not sound like anything speciall, so, while you are playing those chords with your right hand, add these tunes with your left (in the lower keys):

Eb F G Ab G - something strange happens, itīs called the Dan Magic:

Bb/Eb C/F D/G Eb/Ab F/G

"With rage in your eyes and your megaphones."

Clas

Yo Teresa, I haven't been ignoring you! I just got back! However, you assume right about those concerts, for me anyway.

Your husband isn't the one who likes 11 Tracks of Whack. I agree with Clas -- Walter's lyrics are more interesting to me than Donald's. And since I'm no musician, the drum machines don't bother me, and the music sounds fine, too.

Bo' 'girl: Ouch! Recovery from total knee reconstruction sounds like a poor way to spend a summer. But let us know what you hear in your Dan-alysis.

Fine Col: Welcome, and enjoy the show. Jump right in when you have something to say.

"...susponed without warning. . ."

In case you're wondering, that's supposed to be "Your husband isn't the only one. . ."

JoeM, "Jack of Speed" was particularly well done and equally well received at Wembley. We (my rhythm guitar player, actually) managed to smuggle a walkmanesque tape recorder into the venue and thus we have an extremely poor copy of 99% of the 2nd night's show.

The first night at Wembley, it seemed as if the sound engineers had been sampling a few too many of the local ales and perhaps hadn't quite recovered by showtime. The lead guitar work was extremely well done for his part, however, the engineers managed to create a rather bee-in-jam-jar guitar sound which did him no favours. Also, the security was pretty jumpy for some reason and refused to allow people close to the stage to dance.

The second night was indescribable. Bliss. Joy of joys. Security had obviously worked out for themelves that SD fans were unlikely to rush the stage but rather desired nothing more than a few self-conscious if rapturous boogies. Further, the engineers had sorted out the sound.

Nothing comes close to that concert; apart from perhaps Robben Ford & the Blue Line in Croydon also last year.

Work calls, later all... (space)

FineCol

Dr. Mu: Revolution is the record company owned by Irving Azoff and distributed by Warner Bros. It used to be called Giant. However, Giant is still one of Revolution's labels and I believe SD is still officially on Giant. So, it was the company that changed names, not the label, if you can understand that. Anyway, no word on a release date at all but let's hope Mr. Azoff uses his old friendship with the boys to gently encourage them (sounds like that's what's happening on the SD home page) to finish the new CD SOON.

TMA/K-man: Thanks for the overview of WB's corporate structure, which is becoming almost Dilbertian in nature. We'll hope for the best.

But very near.

Hey CLAS! Of course, I'll help with the piano. I move those 1 key @ a time, babe. How are you with re-assembley? I sent you cookies. Let me know if they get to you before they become petrified. (Petrified - adjective meaning TURNED TO STONE!)

I've been listening to 11Tracks of Whack. I have to say the lyrics are awesome! The music is rather low-key, but it goes with the lyrics. And Walter's voice has a certain realness to it, I think. But I've noticed it's not for the lazy listener. Unless you know it well, you can't just throw it on for background - you have to listen to it with your soul. It's found a permanent home in my heart.

Teresa: Any two Dan songs, huh? Only certain parts of some have that affect upon me. If you take the drums @ the start of DoItAgain and add the chorus of TimeOutOfMind I think you've got a topper.

ST.Al: Good name choice!! Your boat has no choice but to be fun & beautiful!

RB

My little... my most squeezie little, well, well... how can I, itīs been such a long, my darling, my sweetest girl, how can I say, RUUUUUUUBY! You are back! I canīt believe my eyes as I went down this street, I saw your name and my heart, behind my sternum, I canīt breath. I thought you had dumped me and I was afraid to ask.

You donīt have to worry about the piano. We hired three guys. When we were finnished with the moving we sat down and both Lena, Pompe and I thought something was wrong. It sure was, we had forgot the damn cat!

I havenīt got the cookies yet (thursday), maybe tomorrow, I tell you about it. I will email my new adress and number (I got your number, if itīs still the same). Girlfriend, if it canīt be you?

FINE COL; You are playing? Tell me about your band!

TERESIA: What is "top myself"? Is it what I think it is?

Clas

StAl; Hell, I almost forgot, I have counted the dots for the whole month now, and if we spread out the the fucking dots all over I think we break even. Itīs OK for me if itīs OK for you. I have spoken to some important persons and itīs OK for them too. What I mean here is, we canīt have the same shit in May and June, people got to straighten up. Call me anytime. My time.

Clas

Tony G. from CO - AKA: GRXN@ - are you still out there? Email me if you get a chance.

Yup, I'm a chord slut.

Murtha: Funny you should point out that part of Wetside. Reflecting on last summers shows, that part of Wetside lives on as best moments of Art Crimes 96. The band showed alot of punch and groove at that part. My favorite Walter solo of the show (next to Home At Last). Another fav: the rhythm guitar of Jack of Speed, ya know that double ch-ch, like muted down and upstrokes. Reminds me of reggae guitar.

Lucky: remember how we'd look at a new Dan song, and page 1 was like, "Yeah, I can do that!!" Then page 2 and beyond was, "You gotta be fucking kidding me", followed by "Where's Vin the Shotman?"

MinorWorld: Getting that swing in-line yet??

"...by the statue of the mourner..."

maj.

FinCol: Robben Ford and the Blue Line! YES!!! I've seen them 3 times in the last 2 years... absolutely killer! FYI, if you want to check out some other Robben that's a little more jazz/fusion influenced then you should check out: The Inside Story - Robben Ford (1979); Yellowjackets (1981)(their first album... without a title); and Bluestreak - Tom Scott and the L.A. Express (1996).

Later - Doc

Welcome Teresa--is the above a synonym for "topping off?" As I said earlier, 11TOW has grown on me a lot lately. I don't find it depressing; e.g., "Little Kauai" greatly surprised me with its warmth, humor, and spot on observations of childhood. Speaking of 11TOW, here's one for the Fogel: which track ISN'T whack/wack?

YGK--maybe in May, maybe beyond the millennium....I'll let you know.

Bode 'girl--wow! That's about the whole shootin' match. I've heard that if you take some headphones, put them across your knee, and play Steely loud, it works better than a TENS unit for pain and halves healing time.

Lucky--"scheme" it is. Better lyrically anyway.

FineCol--I've got just two words for you--Cuer Go. Naw, and welcome.

Clas--bad editing, meaning that Brian Sweet wrote his entire book the night before it was due under the influence of entirely too much caffeine, didn't check his work before he turned it in, and only got to the first level of the "this happened. Then that happened" school of journalism. I thank him anyway. BTW, I love SD too, but I figure that no matter how interesting, their private lives are really none of my business, so I make a few notes of history and then move on. And again BTW, "Gaucho" is not about pedophilia.

Amanda--honeychile, here in the south that is clearly PEACH.

I'm getting a headache trying to keep up with all these 'net conversations. Think I'll take a break on my peach fainting couch.

Bah (that's bye to you)

Anyone else hear Howard Stern on his E-show tonight mention Steely Dan? He did several times, making fun of his producer, Gary (Babba-Booey)'s interest in music. Howard, you are great, but STEELY DAN RULES!

Hello Clausey!

oleander: i think you'd have to see it on my monitor to understand... from here it's distinctly beige. we must be getting different colors...

amanda

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAXINE!!!!!

And now, from "Stark Raving Dad" (my favorite Simpson's episode for personal reasons), here's Michael Jackson and the Bartman with your birthday present: And-a-one, and-a-two...

Mm hmmm mmm... Lisa It's Your Birthday, God Bless You this day You gave me the gift of a little sister and I'm proud of you this day. Lisa, It's Your Birthday. Happy Birthday, Lisa (repeat) I wish you love and goodwill, I wish you peace and joy I wish you everything your heart desires And your first kiss with a boy. Lisa, It's Your Birthday. Happy Birthday, Lisa (repeat) Take it away, Lis. (Sax solo here.) "Solo. Fade."

Wotcha y'all!

Oleander: Yup! And thanks!

Clas: Re: band, we call ourselves the Far Canals(Teresa at least will avoid saying this without due caution)and are a 5 piece comprised of: two Dan-addicted guitarists; a bassist extrordinaire (Kid Chuck's a doddle to this thunder-fingered minor deity); a mad Italian drummer; oh, and one of the guitarists and I swap lead & backing vox.

We're all 30's+ and inveterate musicians who'd played together in one's and two's throughout the years and eventually decided to do this one just for us. And do it we do.

I guess it all came together in December when Tony (bass) found himself at a loose end whereas the rest of us had been gigging hard with another band called In the Mix. Upon discovering Tony was free, we unceremoniously (though with a great deal of tact and diplomacy), uh, dumped our now ex-bassist.

From such beginnings, a great deal of fun is being well and truly had.

We are still at rehearsal stage, as Tony has about 40 numbers to learn including: Kid C, Night By Night, IGY and Bad Sneakers. My Old School and Bodhisattva(look,I know the spellings probably wrong, okay?!) also get a look-in from time to time. Other numbers we do are wildly ecclectic such as Masterblaster, Free Ride, some Pretenders, Bonnie Raitt, Thin Lizzie, and so forth. Just fun stuff.

Demos (sadly only on 4-track Portostudio at this point) are being recorded within the next 2-3 weeks as a number of venues we used to play want us back (thank gawd!).

Anyhow, work calls again so "East St Louis" for now.

FineCol

FineCol: Have you heard of Nearly Dan (the British SD tribute band). They sound great but I have yet to see them. Interested in getting some like minded types along for a gig? Let me know.

ANYBODY: Any news on the whereabouts of New York Rock and Soul Revue? If there is a spare copy floating around I would love to buy it.

Your post-election pal,

Stiff

It's been a while, but it's nice to be back and see that not all that much has changed. Someone mentioned the Simpsons, does anyone recall the episode where a supposed member of the Doobie Bros. featured. Or the time when Homer went into a boxing fight accompanied by War's "Why Can't We Be Friends?" I'm a little down in the dumps as I missed a Nearly Dan gig by the skin of my teeth. They played not five miles from my university and I found out two days too late. I'm desperately searching for Our Lawn, Cash Only Island and Medical Science. Can anybody help? give u6b88@cc.keele.ac.uk a go if you can... It's good to be back.

FineCol: Is Far Canals a British group (I'm counting Italy as part of England), a transplanted Texas group, a mix? If your group takes to the road (or the ocean), please post notice if you play on the East coast,USA. Steely Dan and Thin Lizzie sounds like a great set. I've always thought that "The Boys Are Back in Town" combined the sound of "Reelin in the Years" with the lyrical themes of "Josie". Those 3 songs would segue nicely into one another.

RS

re: Joe M >>"Wet Side Story" takes some interesting twists and turns as >>vocal-leading-into Walters fluid guitar solo... followed by some >>nifty modulations during Walterssolo... followed >>finally by a recapitulation of the main theme... enter Donald on >>vocals again... Cool. (Help me out on the actual chords >>here Edd Cote, won't ya?). This is another one of those classic >>don't-try-this-one-at-home offerings from the bards.

My only copy of WSS, though cherished, just isn't of high enough quality to allow me to dig the chords out.

When in doubt, use an m7. That's always a safe bet...

Edd

Wow, did I make a mess of that last post or what?

Edd

Oleander: Thanks for the post card, bud. The boys and girls are groovin, as am I, on Spring time in Alaska. We've won a pizza party for being the best dressed class during 70's week (I've still got a nasty heat rash from the banana colored polyester leisure suit on loan from St. Al). Hope everyone else is having a fine Spring.

Mr. Stewart

Quick hits :

Can anyone recommend a Wes Montgomery recording, a cd compilation maybe?

Anyone familiar with Jungian psychology, personality type (ie. MBTI or Personality Profiler)? I have an interesting project in mind that may help to finally unlock the many mystical speculations about W+D, the new recording, and life as we know it. I'm 100% serious here. Let's confer.

Chords Part 3: You just can't beat Green Earrings. Bass and chords banging off and on. "...rings of rare design..."

maj.

This lil' ol' chat line is pretty darn great. Is anyone out there familiar with a jazz/blues album from The Jon Bartel Thing released on Capitol back around '69?

Thanks, Cret3

Maj: Try to find a Wes M. album (or CD) that has "Bumpin' on Sunset" on it...

re: chords on "rings of rare design..."

My m7 (or just m) theory lives. Always a safe bet.

Edd

Hey Maj: Here's an on-line Jungian personality profiler, knock yourself out

Maj.: I'm an INFP, or is it 2PAC, or NRBQ?...

FC: eclectic

My favorite Simpsons to date was the one with John Waters. He saved homophobic Homey from rabid reindeer.

oleander--your remedy indeed doth have magic healing powers! I could actually bend my leg 30 degrees today, my therapist was most impressed. At this rate, I should be dancing in the street in no time!

maj, Hank S, lucky henry, and other Phillys--any of you going to the Jam on the River Fest on Memorial Day weekend?

clas--you must try doc o's remedy for your sternum pains, it will work wonders!

BC

??!!; Hi Slidell!!! Say hallo to my little special one? And the kids!

Oleander; Thanks for the edit stuff, but thatīs your opinion? And you wrote: " And again BTW, "Gaucho" is not about pedophilia". Thatīs also your opinion? I can see that you like to demand people around this site.

And about Steely Danīs Private life, could we all agree that it goes for Ginsberg, Jackson Browne and others? Because THAT WAS MY POINT! Is that so damn hard to understand for you US-hipocrits? Try to come down from your icy altitude.

(She just looked at me uncomprehendingly, like cows on a passing train)

FINE COL; What I have experienced, all drummers are mad. But a mad ITALIAN drummer? That must be something. Good luck with your demo-recordings.

PRINCESS AMANDA: Check your monitor calibration.

Clas

BOD COWGIRL: I tried that remedy, but all I got was extrasystoles and tacycardia. I guess I use the headphones in a regular way.

EDD COTE; Are you serious about those chords? If you are: Gm Am A#m7 Bm7, if your not serious, forget the the whole shit.

Oleander again, It should be Kawai, and that is the song that not is ei whack.

D. Fagen; My Audi has not exploded yet, how come?

Clas

maj,

Wes Montgomery "Impressions - The Verve Jazz Sides". ISBN # 314 521 690-2. This one includes Wes' all-time classic "Smokin' At The Half Note" stuff along with some additional tracks with The Wynton Kelly Trio (W. Kelly, P. Chambers, Philly Joe Jones). It also has some Wes with big band stuff i.e. "Naptown Blues", "Caravan" etc. Highly recommended as it covers a lot of territory on 2 CD's...

Joe

Substitute Jimmy Cobb for Philly Joe above...

M: see? they're chatting nicely now, for the most part. I told you they could do it if they wanted to.

Clas--My mistake. I assumed WB was referring to the island not far from his digs (Kauai), not the Kawai in Japan, on Honshu, or the pottery glaze (Kawai kaki), or a given name.. That's the one I thought was un-wack, too, but why? BTW, I loved "Confederacy of Dunces."

Geo.--yes, the g'book seems to be temporarily dry of invective, though Clas is trying hard to bait me.

B.C.--music indeed hath charms to soothe the savage knee. Way to push that ROM!

Re 11TOW--what really knocked my socks off was to hear the monks on "Surf &/or die." They have visited us here several times, and don't impress me as a real commercial outfit. In fact, they are about the most spiritually high people I've ever met; how did WB ever get them to agree to record? Has anyone else ever heard them on any other recording? And does anyone know what's up with the liner notes' "Free Tibet?" A surprisingly political and nonironic comment for one of the Dan.

Oleander; What I recall, I donīt have 11 TOW here at work, so are these monks not monks, there are some guys who was given the credits for being monks? (hell, is that english?)

And about the liner note "free Tibet", it is kind of harmless and political correct say, I think.

Do you know what a Balinesian icat is? I do, but I donīt know hell how to explain it in english. Itīs a kind of weave?

As the song Little Kawai is about Walters son I assume that is why that song is not a whack.

And BTW, how do you stay calm when you get provoced? I think that is a very admirable thing. You are still growing (outside my door). And at last a question;

Why do I get extrasystoles when I press my headphones on my sternum and play "Babylon Sisters" very loud?

Audi and out, Clas

Hell, I almost forgot:

Oleander: What I can see: it was YOU who was baiting me. Then I baited you and then you stayed calm. That is an old trick. A cowardish one too.

Damn woman. I have to sit all day and defend my self.

Out and audi, Ignatius

Oleander-- If I remember right, WB said that the monks performed at the funeral of the guy who is the subject of the song, and he recorded them, and then was shocked to find that their singing fit perfectly with the rest of the tune, same pitch, etc., so he put it in.

They are Buddhist monks, right, so the Free Tibet thing is probably just a reference to their homeland and the perceived persecution of same. WB may have some Buddhist leanings himself.

Stiff: Haven't heard of this Nearly Dan you mention, however, I've seen another UK tribute band called Stealing Dan & Don. Very good, if patchy in a couple of places, but given the overall musicianship I'd say check'em out. All modesty aside, I have to say that Far Canals' versions of Kid Chuck and especially IGY surpass Stealing Dan's efforts... Also, we play without benefit of music sheets... But then, you couldn't exactly describe me as unbiased in this particular matter, wot?

Also, Stiff, me old china, I have most of NYR&S Review, stress MOST (i.e., one side of a 90 minute tape), if you want a copy of it.

Roy.Scam: I'm the lone American in Far Canals. Tiberio (drummer) is from Bologna (er, not the lunch meat either). Everyone else is from the London/Surrey areas. If we ever make it to the East Coast, we'll certainly post it here!

Doc Kelly: Robben Ford's here (London) in July at the Royal Festival Hall (just got me front row tix!) My fiance's got some Yellowjackets schtuff so I'll definitely have a listen. Thanx!

Later all.

FineCol

Guys, guys, steady on, old chaps!

MASTURBATION???

'Top myself' is British slang for 'commit suicide'. I was referring to the depressing nature of 11 Tracks of Whack, and the sheer misery of Walter's drone. Now go back and read my post again - April 30th, okay?

'Top myself' has nothing to do with masturbation. Indeed!

TTFN!

Yes, G, I see; all's well in the sandbox for the time being. Some boys are lots naughtier than others though.

Your recommendation was much appreciated; it is a divine CD, heavenly.

-M

I thought that the track on 11TOW that wasn't "whack" was Cringemaker because it was a joint effort (as was the Steely Dan stuff). Eleven tracks (or twelve if you own the import) were credited to Walter alone (even though several of these were thought to be collaborations with Donald anyway) while Cringemaker shares billing with another. That's my guess. By the by, anybody got a copy of the Becker promo disc with Fall of '92 on it? If they are interested in parting with it - or know some fool who is :-) - E-mail me....

'94 Citizen Steely Dan Orchestra power drummer Dennis Chambers will be at "The Bottom Line" in NYC on Tuesday, May 13, 1997. Chambers played the hell outta "Josie" back in '94 but left me yearnin' for the exquisite Mr. Steve Gadd on "Aja"... 'course, how can anybody top old one-take Steve on that one?

Joe

TERESA: I thought you meant "get topped", cocaine.

FINE COL: How do you play "My Old School" whitout a piano, I mean the intro?

Clas

Shit, cookies stuck on airport.

Doc, Joe: Thanks for the Wes Montgomery reefer-als.

Jung-heads: Mail me personally to get going on this. Consider it a summer project. I am familiar with the link to the Kiersey but since I have an inside track to a roomful of psychomatricians, I have considerable resources available in living color. But I do recommend checking out that link if you haven't already.

Yes, minor Edd, but m11, no? ....rings(Gm11) of(Am11) rare(A#m11) de-sign(Bm11-A#m11-Bm11). Talk about timing, geeeeeez!! Must be a Donald song. LH, I'm working on it, page 72, shades on.

"...the night is alive with the sweet sounds of summm-ah..."

maj.

Maj: I did the Personality test on Saturday, and I seem to be an eNTj - was quite fun and accurate. thanx

I also took the test and came back INTP.

I(90%), N(60%), T(35%) and P(55%).

The description seemed pretty accurate.

Edd

M: Hello & glad to hear you liked that stuff! what do you like best? What else do you listen to, I mean, besides Steely Dan?

Teresa: 11TOW is not depressing IMHO, I learned about it's existence just coming out of a quite depressive mode and made me totally excited. As soon as I could get my hands on it, I played it a lot and it made me feel very good and alive, maybe because it tells stories of the bottom but it also tells you yes there is life above and after and beyond the bottom! What also attracts me to the album is the "realness" of the lyrics. They carry real emotions of real human beings. I also love the music even though I needed my time to accept the machine drums and still prefer the drumming on the 3 real-drummer songs. I also think WB's voice is the best and only one for these tunes. I can also sing along very well as he's more my pitch than DF is.

Ruby: How's my little girl?

Re 11Tow: Doesn't "Cringemaker" seem more Fagen-like than the other tracks? Same muted Chuck Berry type guitar roll (2-4-5-4 on the A string) as "Tomorrow's Girls", same fascination with sweethearts turning into monsters, similar tune and tempo. Perhaps Cringemaker is a clever pre-quel to T.G., or maybe "Tomorrow's Girls" is a parody of "Cringemaker" cleverly written two years before the song it satirizes.

What chord does WB use in "Girlfriend" when he breaks into "Wait a minute Baby. What about my heart?" To me, that's one of the choicest twists on a great album. Did some one-eared, no-listening sourpuss actually say he didn't like 11TOW?

Re British slang: Apparently there's an important distinction between 'topping' and 'tossing'. Everyone please learn the difference before you really hurt yourself.

RS

GEORGE: YES! I could not say that better me self, and the best part with 11 TOW, as you said, I CAN TOO SING ALONG WITH IT! After 20+ years trying to sing along with Fagen (in the right octava) it was a great to join Becker. Thanks Becker!

Hell George, maybe you are not so dumb as I thought.

MAJ FRONTIER: Maybe itīs non of my business but I donīt believe there is something like a minor11? Not in the actuall song.

The Besserwisser

Maj:INFJ which makes sense with my interpretation of the Wet Side, Check my buddy's site for a Wes Recommendation, he's like Murtha, a walking encylopedia with excellent taste: http://www.counterpoint-music.com...Still leaving the club face open and making those left(walt)dog-legs even longer, any suggestions?

BC-Girl: Did you save me any gristle or anything for the mantle? Glad to hear you're doing well and back in the saddle...

JoeM: Do you think maybe your yearning for Gadd might have something to do with the recording (the original's familiarity, AIA's live venue sound vs. the studio, ect.), rather than Chambers playing?

mWorld

Okay kids,

Back to the Main Dan Page immediately... Steelydan.com has got a lot new Dan oriented banter on it as of this writing. Some of it may actually be non-goof related... including some Summer Tour '97 rumour ware for your condideration! What's your collective take on this? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Joe

MURTHA; ?, just some new jokes from Becker?

Click on the "Hey Les!" shingle...

A theory with some (and growing) data to support it: Steely Dan recordings appeal to the iNtuitive personality type. Let's face it, if you thought that all the men on the street are white honkeys, that the western world was in the west, that music was what made the preacher dance, then you're probably Sensing, not iNtuitive, and probably not reading this anyway.

Funny to see the types people are posting, mostly "N" for the information-gathering dimension. Also, many of the "lover's quarrels" around are probably rooted in personality differences of the other dimensions (direction of energy, decision making process, lifestyle orientation), but most of us, again only a theory, share the common N.

All of this is besides the point, of course, because my original intention was to work up a profile on Donald and Walter. However, if they want to mail me their type, then I can forget the whole embarrassing mess and instead twist up a fatty, throw the clubs in the Pathfinder, and "drive in four-wheel drrrrrriiiiii-iiiive."

Minah: Bend the left leg a little more and remember to drag back the club more.

Clas: I was reading from "The Best Of Steely Dan" for guitar, (Hal Leonard, 1996) Great pic of cyber-don on the inside, page 2.

maj.

JM--wow! gobbled up the new ODP (official Dan page) stuff. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get the little hand to appear on "Summer '97."

I vote for infomercial!! They could get Tony Robbins and John Tesh to do a Soloflex routine in the background, and it would give me something else to do at 3 am besides read the Guestbook.

Clas buddy--I stay hard to provoke because I had 3 kids. Yep, Balinese ikats are a kind of fabric made with the pattern going in the warp as well as the weft (is that Swedish?) Besides Bali, you can find spectacular ikat from Guatemala and Japan. Your extrasystoles happen because your poor defensive heart is trying too hard to shake it.

Teresa--thanx for the clarification. I'm a female who was under the misapprehension that you meant fun not termination. And I'm with George--actually, I thought 11TOW was moody, but in its complex mix of ups & downs, the irony and plangent imagery (is that Swedish?) keep me smilin'. Junkie Girl, for example, starts with a yearning for that life, with its graphic description of prostitution, buying, selling, and using, but ends with WB saying goodbye, gently, to all that. I know that his personal life is NOMB, but that made me very happy for him.

Bod CG: Too soon to say for sure.

I also thought Little Kawai was the non-whack one. But couldn't This Moody Bastard qualify also?

maj.: 16th. BTW, I almost forgot your real name. Good thing it was on your e-mail.

Re: King of the Hill: Another cartoon for maladjusted adults, Skunk wrote the theme, we know, and it's modelled after my neighbors, but the best part: the parents are named HANK and PEG!

'scuse me, ICAJ.

mWorld,

I hadn't considered the possibility of extremist baby-boomer nostalgia on my part when I commented on Chambers playing but... yeah you're right, I guess I do have an affinity for Gadd's original... and it probably has its roots in familiarity. However, Gadd's drum solo is still unbelievable and stands on its own... and in my view, it is ultimately insuperable. Don't get me wrong, I love Chambers playing, especially some of his stuff with Mike Stern. Chambers is dynamic and powerful whereas I see Gadd as having a kind of nuance oriented approach. (Am I making any sense here?)

As far as live venue sound vs. studio etc., I don't think that's it because I like some of the live versions better than the originals i.e. "Third World Man". So, its probably just Chambers interpretation and my own personal taste, not Chambers playing.

More than you wanted to know no doubt,

Joe

"And it's way complex..."

joe m--the gadd solo in 'aja' is an inimitable showcase of his immaculate talent, but i would still vote that i prefer the fluid smoothness of a jeff porcaro groove. gadd is a monster, but he seems a bit stiff to me.

the contrast is really apparent on michael mcdonald's solo record (i can't recall the title--the one with the big black and white picture of michael's face on the front), where jp and sg pretty much half the drumming chores. the difference is pretty glaring when you hear the slick grooves created by porcaro.

on the other hand gadd's bombastic chops (sorry--let's not get started on 'chops' again, right?) as heard in 'aja' are nothing short of miraculous. and with one bass drum, no less.

what's with that weird stick click at the end of the first solo section? is that on purpose? i think it would pretty much have to be.

peace,

rabbit

re: stick click

Dennis Chambers included it when they did "aja" at Great Woods in '94.

I think I was the only one who noticed. At the very least, I has the only one who applauded.

Edd

mWorld: I used to slice everytime... I sometimes still do... but now I know how to do it on purpose... so do you, if you can remember what you're doing now... as far as turning your problem into a hook here's what I've done: 1) move the ball away from you in your stance; 2) lower your backswing; 3) think baseball (or, maybe, ping pong) when you swing; and 4) "take dead aim"... just my 2 cents worth...

Joe: Brew is being recorded as I post this... do I have your address?

FinCol: Front row... Hmmm... You won't regret it... the last time I saw Robben Ford & the Blueline was September 96, maybe August... they were the main act at a nearby city festival... free... it was raining but there some real hard core fans (myself included) there for the whole thing... and, yes, I was belly up against the stage taking pictures the whole time... I actually think I pissed him off... ANYWAY, if you want to get blown away before you see him then check out his discography by going to the Allmusic Guide for a person search:

www.allmusic.com/amg/music_root.html

Sorry, I don't yet know how to place that address in the guestbook as a link...

Later - Doc

Just in case they don't tour this year, I put up a slideshow of sorts on my page. It's pictures I took at the Gorge in '96, including some shots of StAl, Hoops, and Maggi McCoy. It takes a while to load, but it gives you a chance to check out the pictures as they come in. Once it's loaded, the pictures loop continuously, giving an effect of a live show...well, almost.

Bob: Keep me posted!

I'm back.....missed me? .........I thought so.

I guess Clas (alias Gaucho or Gauchito) kept you on your toes you great big madaphakas.

Any way, somebody correctly pointed out my mistake in reference to Allan Holdsworth. Yes, I made a mistake, again. I guess I choose to make mistakes and move along rather that to be or become a FUCKING PUSSY.

Ok.

I was in Washington D.C. last week and I bought an unopened original "Can't buy a thrill". Yes, an LP (yes, vinil). So see, it's bull shit because I am thilled!

Now some asshole is going to tell me that it is a fake or that it is really a reissue or that it doesn't matter anyway because you can get the same shit all over the place for a penny.

Do not bother. I don't really care. I am having mine framed.

Clas : What is this shit about you enjoying 11 Tracks Of Crap.

Gaucho Putrefacto y Hediondo

M! bingo, gringo, time to batten down the hatches...again. This one's not clever like the other one. But they are both assholes.

I think George is mad at me because I called his little gal.

OLEANDER; Yes, you are right, thatīs swedish. And about the extrasystoles, is it dangerous? Could you send me some valium? Or some another bensodiazepina coladas?

MAJ: How do I found this page, search for hal leonard? Iīll try. But I can hell not understand what a minor 11 is. For me, a major 11 is, example G11, a F-chord with G in the bass. So, what would a Gm11 be, still a F-chord with G in the bass, cause there is no third!

GEUURGE: Last night when I could not sleep, I went to see my priest, we talked about life and minds and shrinks and such ugly stuff... did I tell you she is a wonderfull little woman? Iīll get back to you with a detailed description of her moisty little body. Hold on.

GAUCHO! So you have been in Washington DC! Welcome back. 11 TOW is great. But Robben Ford is boring I think, saw him a couple of years ago here in sweden, three-chord blues songs with a three piece-band, can it be more boring? Heīs got no talent, but thatīs my opinion.

Clas

Where's that IGNORE button??

les: I don't care what Walt says, you're doin fine. Nice shots, Pete.

I was comparing Green Earrings in the "Complete" book versus the Cyberdon book, and since I'm just a hacker I appreciate any corrections or clarifications here.

What "Complete" lacks in accuracy it makes up for in good intentions. It's simplified for piano and vocal (notated on the same staff) but Green Earrings is one tune that comes off sounding pretty good on keys, and it's fun to play (or to try to play, that is). The progression in the first bar after the intro is shown only as an "Am7". There is first a D-E (shown 16th notes) and an A in the bass. The first notes hit with the right hand, A-C-G would support the Am7 (no third), but the second hit is an A-B-F# which is not symbolized in the "Complete" book as another chord. It seems like an inversion or voicing of a Bmin7 (no third). Also the Complete book does not show a key sig for the tune, or it is in C.

The Cyberdon book is notated for guitar (some parts shown are keyboard arranged for guitar) and has more detail. Green Earrings is keyed in G. Where the Cyberdon book shows "Am11-G#11-Am11", there is a bass (or distorted guitar) part also included with (is it) a pre-bend(?) on the D for the Am11, I think.

I think the "11" in Am11 comes from the first 'D' hit in the bass on the keyboard, and the "11" in G#m11 comes from a C# written into the bass part in the Cyberdon book (if memory serves). Separately the sheets are confusing, but taken together they seem to make a little more sense. Perhaps a more accurate version would combine elements of the two and include drums, horns and percussion.

Check it out:

Rosie Vela Tribute Page

LH: The"King of the Hill" episode just this Sunday was a classic. The trials and tribulations of lawn survival and the elusive perfect sod here in Texas! After 5.5 years living here I've given up... Whatever it is , If we can keep it green, that's good enough.

Another IntJ here

FineCol: A copy of the tape would be superb. Im still keeping my eyes open for the CD though. I have what some might call a 'large' music collection so if there is anything you would like in return (another C90 tape, Three Lions CD single, my new band's demo tape) let me know. Cheers mate (I don't speak like that normally of course).

Stiff

JoeM:

I was just curious about what was missing (for you) from Chambers' performance because I felt the same way. I was in Irvine the night of the recording and though struck by Chambers' technical ability, remember feeling like my Aja drum solo itch was only partially scratched...but I felt my impression of Chambers' playing was based less on interpretation and more on being used to the balance between instruments on the recording and *needing* to hear that original solo (kinda like that Third World Man guitar solo...accept no substitutes...). Also, I'm not sure I would buy into Gadd being a nuance (if you mean subtle) player at that point - case in point early Steps/Corea recordings from the same period where I always felt he was going for it *all the time* (I agree Gadd became more subtle later on, circa early 80's when the Bee Gees had to actually hire a drummer to double-track Gadd because he played so simply...and even on Gaucho, for ex. Glamour Profession...). Anyway, I felt like Chambers was coming from the same (chop intensive) place in '94, in concept true to the original - so I suppose that's why I introduced and subscribe to what you so aptly named the 'extremist baby-boomer nostalgia' theory...

Definitely more than you wanted to know, mWorld

Doc, Dudis Majorum: Thanks, you guys are better than the golf channel, I'll print those posts and take 'em out to the range...

DrMu: Two words, man - "Turf Royal", 'da kine' fertilizer here in the Land 'O Cow (ask for it by name...).

Pete: Nice slideshow, but what do you mean 'Just in case they don't tour...' ? Don't tell me you're stumped on this or I'm lining up for my $1000 bond...

mWorld

Pete: Wow! It's just (almost) like being there! Thanks for posting those shots.

M.Whirled: Sorry for laughing...it's just that you're funny !

mWorld: Have fun! Of course the real trick is in figuring out where the straight shots come from... it's somewhere in between...

clas: anybody that has seen Robben Ford with the Blue Line has only seen his attempt to make some money off the masses that listen to the blues... anybody that has seen/heard Robben playing his true calling (fusion jazz) knows what he is capable of... if he played as he is truly capable of at the blues venues a lot of people would walk away without an inkling of the brilliance they just witnessed! You don't have the resume he has without talent.

LH: you are the man.

mW: Where do I find "turf royal", anyway?

"...just throw your luggage in that Chevrolet, Right(chord) On(chord)..."

maj.

Gaucho: Happy Seis de Mayo. (Soy siempre un dia luego.)

edd-right on. it's always nice to see that attention to detail. or is it nostaligia, as has been postulated?

was listening to 'pretzel logic' in my new apartment late last night. the two parts that struck me the most this time around listening were:

---the sublime harmonized vocal break in 'barrytown.' anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many layers of vocal harmony are in the pile there? amazing.

---the cheesy 'brady bunch' style horn arrangements in 'monkey in your soul.' had visions of enormous lapels and plaid polyester, and a plastic flower wearing game-show host. or maybe a really low budget porn flick....

(note clas, that ellipsis (the damned dots, dude) used at the end of a sentence require *four* dots with the use of the final period (the last dot, dude). that's *four* dots. not three, not five. *four* dots. your cooperation in this matter would be appreciated.)

peace,

rabbit

iamnotadotcounteriamnotadotcounteriamnotadotcounter.... (four)

Check it out...for those with fond memories...and she's married now, too...

Mindy Jostyn Home Page

Rabbit:

The Sweet bio (standard Sweet disclaimers apply) mentions that the "stick click" in the Aja drum solo was a mistake, but was later left in because it sounded good. It just sounds so perfect, though... that and the whistle. Who would have thought to stick a police whistle in that tune? Whoever it was, it's the little touches like those that make a song memorable.

--S.

Has anyone else out there seen Branagh's "Hamlet?" GET THEE TO A CINEMA!!!!!!!!!!! It's thrilling! Breathtaking! Rave, rave, rave! (Steely tie-in: It's raining boxcars that's for sure/ From Bakersfield to Elsinore)

Pete--great pix. You've got it all.

let me see if I have this straight: it's the click and the whistle that make "Aja" memorable? THE CLICK AND THE WHISTLE??????? ....Mr Linguist convinces me all over again that you are what you eat.

Roy, Gaucho couldn't give a shit about 5 de Mayo, he's from Argentina!

Dear Dan Fan: What I am gonna say that you don't already know? Their stuff is pure classic...I have never heard of anyone who dislikes the Dan. I guess what i would really like is to see D&W in a very small forum, so I could pretend that they are playing just for me. I live in northeastern Pennsylvania, a town called Wilkes-Barre. Hey D&W, you guys gonna be up my way ant time soon? Send me some Dan mail....is their a formal Fan Club?

Later, Ross

Total loss: You misinterpret my statement. I did not mean to imply that Aja is made memorable only by the click 'n' whistle... it's just that sometimes there are little touches of creativity in a given song that set it apart. In Aja's case, there are many of these things, and the click 'n' whistle are just one of them. Another (non-SD) example: In ELP's Karn Evil 9 (the whole suite... I'm not sure if the part I speak of is in the radio single), there is a very quick ragtime piano flutter when the singer mentions Alexander's Ragtime Band. While I appreciate the greater genius of songs like "Aja," I still dig the little stuff.

--S.

RABBIT: (note clas, that ellipsis (the damned dots, dude) used at the end of a sentence require *four* dots with the use of the final period (the last dot, dude). that's *four* dots. not three, not five. *four* dots. your cooperation in this matter would be appreciated.)

Nop! If you do three dots... it means that you kind of flowing out in the blue, so you donīt do the last period dot! But as Princess A said, this is a very ANAL obsession so I think we can talk about it on private emails?

DOC KELLY; Ok, I donīt know much about Robben Ford, but when I saw him at a jazzfestival here in Stockholm he had a threepiece band and they played boring blues-stuff. But then I noticed him on a Mike MacDonald- song, played great, I could not believe it was the same man. I did not know that he usually played jazzfusion stuff.

LUCKY HENRY: The D-tune in a Aminor chord donīt make it a Am11, perhaps a D11. So, tell me, how do I find this Hal Leonard book!? I am going to beat his ass off. (joking, hell I am not angry anymore, what is this?)

AND NOW I HAVE something very important to say, so you all better listen. I have seen a swedish Steely Dan site with a chatroom that is called Sign In Stranger. I know that is very tempting for all of us to run to that swedish book and leave our fave redneck StAl here alone. But I am begging you, should we do such an illojal thing? I am actually begging on my knees; let us stick to StAl. he has been very kind to us (let us all forget about the spirals). So, my vote is; LETīS STAY WITH StAl, and let the damn swedish morons die!

StAl for President!

Clas

Ross: welcome to the club. you gotta watch your dots, though. I mean, you need some kind of consistency there. just take some time and study the general instructions you might be able to find in the posts above and in the archives. Good luck ...

Clas: well, man, I also got the feeling you're not such an asshole. We could even have a little sing-along up there sometime and I might want to accompany you on my little accordeon, you know, the one I usually play on my veranda. well, no, I was kidding, I don't have an accordeon. I play this thing - the banjo? - with the four strings Walter used to play - before he grew up and got the one with six strings. yeah man, I also dig these weird chord progressions, I think I'm a chord slut, as well. oh wait, man, will you email me with your snail mail address? I might send you an audi. Or post with your current email address and I'll contact you.

And Clas: well, she's neither my little darling nor yours, or she is, and I'm only a little bit jealous, you know how it is with love [three dots here]. but I'd also like to met your priest - you tell me she's a nice person? what kind of church does she belong to? do they have late nite services? now I'll wait.

cunning linguist: yup. it's ALSO these little things that make songs not only remarkable but SO MUCH remarkable. it's the love for details that shines through. and I mean for every little detail.

Am I doing something stupid here? It feels like bungyjumping.

Hal Leonard, the CyberDon Book! How can I find it? Or is this some kind of sick joke?

Sweet be damned (and I can't find the reference to the mistake in my copy), I don't believe the click is a mistake.

The drum track builds perfectly, slowly capturing the listener until finally, when one has finally submitted, the end of the phrase is punctuated by the most primitive of percussion techniques ("Og, hit sticks again. Make sound good.") on the final beat of the measure.

Edd

Gleatings & Salivations!

Clas: We do the piano intro to MOS with the two guitars, same way as you cover the horn section, really - But Clas, Clas CLAS! You are doing yourself a major disservice to ignore Robben Ford. I know your taste can be more than a bit dodgy (11TOW?!), but otherwise you seem a pretty sound geezer. Clas, putting it extremely bluntly, apart from the Dan, Robben Ford is the only other performer able to make my nipples harden. And being rather well-endowed, this is a sight to behold...

Stiff: I'll send you a copy, no problems, but shall we swap demos in any event? Lemme know when/where Nearly Dan are gigging!

FineCol

The book your looking for is listed on Scott Borton's most excellent bibliography page at http://www.prairienet.org/~scott/steely_dan_bib.html I believe it's shown as: "The Best of Steely Dan" (transcribed score) Đ Hal Leonard Publishing Co. HL00675200...

Anthony - You said it yourself, I guess it's the thought that counts.

HELP

I need help from some unbiased and knowledgeable individual. I am looking for a "book" on rock history which has the family trees for various rock bands of the seventies. The name "Pete Frame" (author) comes to mind but I am not sure. The last time I saw a copy was back in 1985.

The "book" looks more like a tabloid magazine, and is not very thick. I recall that the "family trees" were very detailed and seemed to be drawn by hand.

I have seen the work of this author in a booklet included in the release of the three gold CD collection of Jethro Tull greatest hits.

If any of you can give me more info or tell me were I can get a copy I would be very thankful.

Gaucho Amigo

Pete: Excellent slide shows of both The Gorge in '96 and Orlando in '94! Thanks much.

So, why didn't they go with "Shredded Brain Compote"?

Joe

Well hello guys!

Yep, I am back and still healthy! I have been in Malaysia for 3 weeks and I missed you!

Maj: I know that this is really late and that JoeM also mentioned a Verve comp., but the Verve label also have one called Wes Montgomery plays the blues, if this is the same, sorry for the duplication. It does contain some classic studio and live stuff. West Coast Blues, Willow weep for me and so on. The live stuff included, with the Wynton Kelly trio is particularly good. not the best recording admittedly, but a good selection. just to make you really jealous, I have , but don't let on to my dad, about five original albums and a unique boxed set, which helped me seduce my now wife. it would take the viewing of a Dan session to part me from it. Donald, pay for my flight and it could be yours!!!

clas: How ya bin man???

about the click! Surely there was no error! It provides a cut off, a reprieve, a fall in the euphoria, while we all catch our breath. Besides, if DF & WB hadn't liked it, it would have been cut!

About the Chambers Aja thing, I too felt there was something not quite there. sorry to be so vulgar but it just ain't loud enough!

I did like that dirt on Jnoi Mitchell. Had a good laugh! She's good, and Court n' Spark gets regular spins!

Rabbit: I liked what you brought up about the JP/SG difference. The MMcD album is 'if that's what it takes' by the way. I think that JP has a punchier feel, a real kick and snappy snare, his style is VERY distinguishable. SG is more fluid, a jazzer, certainly more technical and plays quite a bit faster, if you know what i mean. However, this is no statement on quality. Gadd would not play Gaucho better, nor would Pocaro have worked better with Chick Corea. (My Spanish Heart is great!) To visualise, JP is (was) an arrow, SG is a spiral. Pseudo bollocks, sorry guys!

I was very sad when JP left us. Not just because I was due to see Toto is a few weeks, but because his contribution to professional music is so Goddam large.

I will never understand how a band like Toto did such great stuff, then started recording such a load of crap. Everything post IV is pretty damn uncool, with a few exceptions, namely the instrumentals and a few songs. What happened??? Answers please?

Anyway, laters babies

pretzels & mustard

C. Linguist: I tend to focus on small touches myself. And I honestly do know someone whose entire knowledge of and appreciation for Steely Dan is built on that police whistle in the middle of Aja.---One of my favorite strange SD details is the little peppy, happy guitar lick at the very end of the fade-out in "King of the World". Just as the poor guy's coughing up his last cobalt chunk and he gasps for his last post-nuclear breath, there's a rif that could have come right out of "Gravy Waltz". The whole grim story becomes almost uplifting.

@ a loss: You made me laugh out loud at my desk at work with your "You are what you eat" quip. Please post a notice the next time you're going to say something that funny during office hours. I guess your theory supports the fact that Cunning Linguist is not just another pretty face.

Gaucho: Sorry about the Mexican holiday salutation. To paraphrase Steely Dan, 'Solamente un tanto dice eso' or something like that. I just enjoy speaking languages badly.

hasty lumbago, RS

MW: Thanks for the heads-up. Hey, I dusted off an Aja period album last night: Al DiMeola's Casino from 1978. It features, besides the former Return to Forever guitar wunderkind, Anthony Jackson on bass and Steve Gadd on drums. The first cut, Egyptian Danza is a energetic and at times frenetic composistion that sounds something a etween Spanish folk, Arabian folk, and Bach on amphetamines. The interplay between Al DiMeola and S. Gadd is incre dible. The rhythms Gadd lays down are pretty complex, and he'. s problably one of the few drummers who could keep up with Al DiMeola - I'm in awe.

From that period, Gadd also played with a better than average rock group named Charlie, whch one one of their album covers, incidentally, had a young women on a bed with Ginsberg's Howl next to her.

Clas, you aptly self titled one half of "The Morons", meaning you and your son, keep your damned mouth shut about "the little woman" or you'll see me face to face. And yes, you'll recognize me, cause I'll be the one giving your Swedish ass a good old American ass kicking....four dots asshole.

I didn't know such a place existed, this is great! I saw the Dan in the states in 94, and it was well worth the trip. This past year I caught them at Wembley and must say I have lost some respect for Becker and Fagen. It seemed to me that they compromised quality for quantity (quid). Those backup singers were horrendous! They ruined a lot of the songs for me, especially Hey 19. That's the best B&F could get? And they're known for being perfectionists!!!

Trev: Welcome...

DrMu: Al DiMeola's "Elegant Gypsy" and "Electric Rendezvous" includes significant appearances by Steve Gadd...

Clas: Yes, you should check out the first Yellowjacket's album... .

Later y'all - Doc

clas--i beg to differ with you. at the end of a sentence, it's *four* dots, not three. you have to have a period to end the sentence, whether you're 'floating' or not. see there? that was the end of a sentence. there's another period there. and there too. with a few exceptions, sentences generally end with periods. you can end your elipsis with an exclamation point or question mark, too. did you know that? i can write:

when will we see the new dan album...?

or

vinyl is the key to all reality, really...!

you see how it works? it's easy. if you send me your e-mail address maybe you can explain to me where those two little dots over vowells in swedish writing should go. (that's two dots, right?)

edd--i think you're right. the click is no mistake. it's perfectly on an upbeat, and he mirrors it the next time around in the fill section with something similar. unless that's what he was trying to play the first time around, or decided to try to make it *sound* like it was on purpose by working something almost the same in the next time around. but it does sound pretty deliberate.

knight--i don't think 'isolation' sucks, but it definitely doesn't fit the style. it was pretty disconcerting to see toto with a lead vocalist doing david-lee-roth-style backflips off the drum risers. you are right to ask that question, 'what is up with that?' i think they just got too lazy to write their own music.

peace,

rabbit

Dr. Mu,

You're killin' me! Just stopped in to the Guestbook to kill a few minutes before a flight from LA to San Jose. Before I bought my first CD player in 1987, at which time my album collection began to collect the first particles of dust that sadly remain to this day, I used to turn others onto some fairly obscure tunes, including "Johnny Hold Back".

My bags are packed and the wife's pissed because I have to go down to the garage and check the liner notes as to the musicians in Charlie. Are you serious, Gadd !?! Where's my turn table when I need it!

Royal Scam - The whistle on the upbeat after beat 3 during the instrumental passage on Aja has always been a source of interest and intrigue. Leave it to the Dan to suck in a fan with such. Speaking of Gadd, could Aja be his finest moment?

Late for the sky,

Technicolor

Ignorant fucks. I ask a perfectly legit Q and I get shit.

And who the fuck is this "little man" standing up for the little woman?

And what the hell is a "good old American ass kicking" ? Is that like a senile donkey playing football ? Oh sorry, I guess you fucks play football with your hands. Makes sense.

Cojudos.

Pouring in from the Jazz Fess.

Sorry I didn't give any updates until now. Did anyone from here attend? The first weekend was very wet. Too much rain. I didn't catch very much. One outstanding show was Earth Wind and Fire. Lenny Kravitz joined in on a couple tunes. These dudes had one hell of a horn section. A perfect fit for any Dan gig. Another surprise, Keb Mo.

Second Weekend. Things started out with IGY playing while the stage crew set up. There were many great moments. So many groups I haven't heard or seen just blew me away.I hung out at the Jazz Tent. Awsome musicians. The Neville Bros. closed out. Incredible show.

Too tired to get into details now. Will give more updates later. I'll say it again. If you have never been to the Fess, you really should plan on going next year. All I could think about was how the Dan would fit in so great here. Don, Walt if your listening, get in contact with Quint Davis.

Checking into AA, Zeke.

Gaucho,

Give shit, get shit.

George: you see? the Groucho gets cranky after his dinner. He makes trouble. The other fellow jumps right in. Speaking of which: it was a cold and stormy night, as they say in the Quality Lit game; you get into the clear, you come round here, you just hop in and help me keep my tootsies warm. Remember, it's your turn.

Gaucho: I know which "rock family tree" book you're talking about. The author is indeed Peter Frame, and the work is indeed hand-written. However, it seems very hard to find, as you note... the last time I saw a copy was around 1994 at the Cuckoo's Nest, a music import specialty shop in downtown Chicago. You may be interested to hear that Frame does (did?) a monthly "Family Twig" feature for Mojo magazine, a music periodical published in the UK and occasionally found in finer record shops everywhere.

--S.

STANDING UP FOR THE LITTLE WOMAN: My email is above if there is something you want to talk about.

GAUCHO: You have to ask your Q several times here, 3d or 4th time you usually get some response.

I give donīt give a shit about those dots anymore, I suddenly lost my sence of humor, if I ever had one.

Clas at Ego City

"...or decided to try to make it *sound* like it was on purpose by working something almost the same in the next time around."

One of the first lessons any pro musician learns; Clams are singular. As soon as a clam is repeated it dies and becomes improvisation.

Edd

Dearest Cunning Linguist,

I now have a lead. I appreciate your kind contribution.

Thank you sir.

Dearest Clas ,

Cheer up man, this place would be a void without your "salsa".

Thanks to Marion too (I love it!, I love you guys)

Gaucho Marx

I heard another Muzak version of a Fagen tune in the Food Lion yesterday. This time it was "Trans Island Skyway". A few months ago, I heard a muzakked "Home At Last" in another Food Lion; someone in the grocery store public address music community is apparently very Dan-influenced. The H.A.L. cover was good, unfortunately, the T.I.S was pretty cheesy; reminiscent of "Sunshine Day" by the Brady Bunch.-----Have any of you struggling musicians ever participated in an actual elevator music recording session? I wonder if they say things like, "Okay boys, let's do the Snakehips number and make it bland! then we'll waltz into the violin version of "Fire Down Below" and 1-2-1-2-3-4..."

I watched part of a re-run of the TV show "Dream On" last night. The title of the episode was "The weekend at the college didn't turn out like they planned". They actually gave the sitcom audience credit for some degree of Dan-literacy.

RS

Roy.Scam:

Was the "Dream On" episode a tits or non-tits version?

R.O.C.K.

I came in to some strange Steely homepage with lots of wave-files one could listen to. The only problem was, when you opened the page some sequenced plastic organ begun to play Home At Last (horrible stuff). And you couldnīt turn it off so you could listen to the wave-files. Strange.

FINE COL; yeah, I thought so, I have always wanted to play that song. If you come to Stockholm could I join you on that one? If I promise to be polite and play right? Thatīs not much of a promise when it comes from me, I am a lousy "live"-musician. (was it Em or Am? Shit, it was Em!)

San Frans; Rebirth. How is your little?

Doc Kelly; Yes, yellow jackets, I have one of the latest, but that one sounds so damn digital. But Iīll check out the first one.

RABBIT! No, I mean yes: ...! ...? thatīs OK, but four dots, NO!

ZEKE; HI.Itīs time to sober up? I heard about the festival, 16 stages with different bands. 2 weeks! You lucky son of a major9.

Gaucho; you see, if you live long enough you could enjoy some weird struff. See you.

R.O.C.K.; Look at me, get sober and you got lots of friends, asshole.

I see I see I C I A, clas

Edd, Rabbit), & other detailheads--You guys are unreal!! Call me deaf, but I confess I can't hear the famous click, or if I do hear it, I can't separate it out. See, I have more of an ear for the forest and for the lyrics than for instrumental nuance, and I can see I'm missing out on a lot (viz. the Eddman's deconstructions of "Bodhisattva," etc.). Tell you what, on the next tour, can I sit between Edd and Joe M., in front of Rabbit and Pete F., and behind SFK, St. Al, & Senor Roy? Y'all could teach tihs old dog some new sticks!

Really, I go limp over little details too, but more with vocal stuff: e.g., "like a Roman with her eyes on fire" with its repetition of the long i sound, and the way Mike McDonald sings "Broadway duchess." BTW, I've always been fond of that whistle too.

C.L.--I think you should put your money where your mouth is.

Roy--"Solamente un tonto diria eso;" don't worry, Skunk messed it up pretty good, too.

Joe M.--I don't know about SBC, but I've got the corner on Carolina Num-nums.

love, o. PS: any other southpaw INFP's slung down low to the ground out there? Please post----

Sorry for the back-to-back, but Clas, at the risk of getting you going again, IMHO DF is every bit as brilliant as a lyricist as WB. Just listen to "On the Dunes," for example, or "Ruby Baby" (just kidding--JUST KIDDING!), or "The Goodbye Look."

BTW, I always pair "Cringemaker" with OTD, because they both are guys' perspectives on relationships gone sour, whereas T'sG's is less about feelings than about Women vs. Men writ large. Both narrators are deeply lonely; in C he's still in the relationship watching it fall apart, from an emotional distance (with great powers of observation, I might add; I wince (cringe) at the description because I was a cringemaker just like that once in my relationship--but then again so was my husband), and in OTD as a "homicide" victim, post-relationship, in that place where every happy person you see seems but another twist of the knife.

Way more than you wanted to hear, O-ver & out.

Ole O: The click happens after the "4th" phrase of Wayne Shorter's solo over the closing vamp (not the CLOSING vamp, but the same vamp that's used at the end, that is used in the middle), which happens after the "latin tinged" transition marimba section. The click is, indeed, after the whistle. Listen, it'll make sense when you listen, it'll make sense.

confsued yte?

YGK

WHAT!!!!??? Eddman disected Bodi????

Where?

WHAT!!!!??? Eddman disected Bodi????

Where?

Something's cookin'... Official Dan has been down all day.

Slammin': Official Dan looks fine to me no changes. Damn.

That's right Edd, and as soon as improvisation is repeated it dies and becomes smooth jazz.

Maj: I'll get ya an (800) number for the "Turf Royal".

DrMu, Doc: You guys made me drag out the wax to dig the amazing Stevie w/ Al Di, truely...um... amazing...your right.

Babs: What's *your* Jungian sign?

mWorld

Pissboy:

Have Becker's lawyers tracked you down yet?

R.O.C.K.

2 a, Look again, buddy...Yes Changes.

FineCol: I thought I'd give you my address in the hope you can send me yours. Or even your address (sorry, flatemate has high inuendo problem) I'm at 2a Larch Close, Oxford. OX2 9EW

My band is currently only doing covers (Blues Brothers, Otis Redding, etc.) but I have some original stuff from my past days, if your are interested. Oh, just to avoid confusion, in the non e-mail world I am known as Will Cruttenden... rather than Stiff. It's a long story.

Toodles,

Will

what changes?

amanda

> Edd dissected Bodi? Where?

Right here...

Edd

steely dan! I've had the privilegie to see them live. Me and two other dan-freaks took a weekend off and drove from stockholm, Sweden, down through denmark to Hamburg, Germany. After spending a few hours drinking german beers we went to the consert. Feels like it was a onse in a lifetime oppertunity. We were there and so was Walter and Donald. Whenever they'll be back in Europe I'll be there too.

steely dan! I've had the privilegie to see them live. Me and two other dan-freaks took a weekend off and drove from stockholm, Sweden, down through denmark to Hamburg, Germany. After spending a few hours drinking german beers we went to the consert. Feels like it was a onse in a lifetime oppertunity. We were there and so was Walter and Donald. Whenever they'll be back in Europe I'll be there too.

Fagan is the lord,so how do I find his gospel (tab) so my band can cheat with the writings?

EddCote - I was amazed when I read your post that said:

"re: stick click Dennis Chambers included it when they did "aja" at Great Woods in '94. I think I was the only one who noticed. At the very least, I has the only one who applauded."

Edd, Great Woods? I was wondering why I heard someone clapping when no one else in the entire venue was...during Aja, as I recall.

You know, rumor has it that during the recording of Babylon Sisters, Bernard Purdie had a problem of wax buildup in his right ear. So, everytime the girls would sing "shake it", this would give Purdie the opportunity to free up his right index finger and quickly try to remove the wax before his hand was needed for the Purdie Shuffle. So, there I was at Jones Beach 1994, Donald was singing the shit out of Babylon Sisters, Chambers was nailing the shuffle, then just as the girls broke into their "shake it" routine, Chambers goes right to the ear! I couldn't believe it! He used the right index finger, no less! I stood up, applauded, and yelled out, "Just like the recording!" And believe me, Edd, I know what you mean, I was the only one that even noticed it. Could you believe it??

Say, Hal/Kinky/Bogus Persona/Minus life - oh but I'm getting ahead of myself here!

One question... At Jones Beach in '94 while Chambers was nailing the Purdie Shuffle, where was your right index finger?

Steely Dan is quite possibly the most trailblazing band of their time. I've been pretty into them for about 10 years and I have to say, the more I get into other kinds of music(from Miles& Coltrane to Jamiroquaior Cordurouy) the more I love Steely. I would appreciate more info on them. Thanks.

standing up: you do your very best - which might not be much. people are so sensitive sometimes. but i agree it's a thin (white) line between fun and offence. peace out.

dr.Mu: Hey, you are the very first person I know of who's got that Charlie album! I was quite uncertain whether this was the one Steve Gadd I knew from Aja. I'll give that one another close listen tonite.

Marion: yes, my dear, the kids won't listen. sometimes they cool down before it's all a mess, though. but I's also sayin' to meself, you gotta take some steps here. maybe it'd help them all to check their profiles. before they hit the Post button. with their index fingers.

And, yes, I'd also vote for #2, the infotainment thing. God, I almost passed out over the "Les letters". gimme some more ...! You gotta visit the ODP on a regular basis.

Today's puzzler: If we Euro-Dans have an extra track on 11TOW (12TOW?) then what one are you missing in the land of the free. Eh?

Stiff

2b: the Offician Dan page hasn't changed since Monday, unless I'm completely missing something here.

Edd: Another fun and amusing post - dishes! go figure.

Now, how about analyzing AJA?

You do take requests, no?

YGK

2c: Well, that's what I get for not checking every day...the 'band name blurb' and 'KTGA' were new to me...btw, very noisy on your side of the wall last night - turn up the Eagles.

YGK--Edd was just joking about the dishes.

Stiff--We have 12. Do you have 13?

I'm currently working on a request for "Monkey In Your Soul", so "aja" will have to go in queue.

I'm not sure I could do justice by the tune. I consider it not only D&W's finest, but also a definitive work in "rock" (I use the term loosely) history.

We'll see...

Edd

"We thank you for your support".

Monkey sounds straight ahead, but then again, it's D&W....

Maj., YGK, Edd : made an XNTP at the moment, need to check into both possibilities a little bit, but i guess i'm more ENTP. really interesting thing so far.

Well...I am interested in arranging some vocal ensemble Dan tunes. Any suggestions? Help? I've got about two months out of class to do what I want, so I'm going to try to have some stuff ready for the Fall semester, and try to get it performed. Please please please, reply if you have ideas or info, or even if you think it's a rotten idea. will post again... dave

I'll bet an a capella interpretation of "Maxine" would be too cool...

Edd

Dave: "True Companion"... with all those layers of harmony, especially on the "I've been dreaming of my own Ring World" part... that'd be smooth.

I am having one of those days where I am doing nothing at all. My boss is a twat, and there is no chance of him looking at these pages because, well he's a twat. So he can go blow!

Thought I'd spend a few minutes posting to the coolest bunch of guys on the planet.

Clas: Yeah, Chloe is cool and she really does appreciate the Dan. It appears that her favourite disk is Royal Scam, but I am not sure why. I tell her that Carlton's all time classic solo or Purdie's slick syncapation is what it's all about but I don't think that she takes it in. But she definatly prefers it to other stuff.

Mr Droddy: I agree with Edd, he seems to have his finger on the red button. But if you want another idea, how about Florida Room from DF's Kamakiriad. That would work very well, it is kind of sweeping and floaty and would suit 5/6 voices; also, given that horns would normally break each lyrical phrase, you have a fair amount of freedom as to how you link each phrase. Plenty of freedom for your voices to show off as it were! You will need to work hard on the intro though. get it captivating but get into the lyrics quick sort of thing.

Mel Tormé has already done a fantastic rendition of The Goddbye Look, so you will have to avoid that one.

If you pull it off, could you send me your charts. I also do close harmony and have a small bunch who would enjoy a decent challenge?

Maj: did you get youyr Wes? He's the man!!!

Edd: Why Monkey in your soul?? I find that one a bit through away. It's good and punchy but there is much better, in my opinion. Why not Gaucho itself???

Anyway, laters baby

pretzel butt

George: There he is big as life on the back cover of "No Second Chance." That's the one with 'Johnny Hold Back" and "Turning to You." If that's not *the* Steve Gadd, it's a hell of an imitation. He's got this characteristic way of going from one end of the drum kit to the other and also his "filling" up top. "Turning to You," a pretty decent pop song, provides a nice co mparison with the Dan. Doc: I'm ill.... been looking desparately for Elegant Gypsy. It may have accidentally made it's way to my wife's garage sale last year- I barely saved a Prefab Sprout album

...a vocal arrangement of Deacon Blues would be masterful....

R.O.C.K.-The Dream On episode with the Reelin' reference was definitely rated N.T. (non-tits), probably because I saw it on the Comedy Central network which has a pre-broadcast tit filter. But if the episode with Donna Mills comes on HBO, be sure to bring your prurient interests and wear your Fez.

Oleander: You? A cringemaker? Sayitain't so. (Funny, you don't look shrewish.) I'm sure you were an articulate and soulful cringemaker, and made rejection and marital discord an entertaining and enlightening experience.

My pairing of Cringemaker with Tomorrow's Girls was based largely on the tune, rhythm, and instrumentation. On the Dunes is another great "girl-kills-boy" song but sounds nothing like the other two. I think I heard somewhere that O.T.D. was written in the early 80's.

I have the video wherein DF and Warren B show you how to play Fagen songs. It's really fun to be able to watch D.F.'s hands up close when he plays Peg and O.T.D. I guess I suffer from pianist envy.

RS

So, O-leander: It's May - don't mean to pest, but when are you gonna be in the Slope?

(always psyched to meet another Dan-Fan, and put the rumors to rest)

Y'all don't seem to get it. Some of you seem to have a yearning for a knuckle sandwich. If you think it's your business, it isn't. If it is your business, make it none of your business. And Clas, if I have more to say to you, I'll just pick up the phone.

Hey Standing, what the hell are you talking about, and to whom?

Stand up and be counted - don't be so vague...

Speak, boy, speak...

DrMu: Oh man... ! Myself, being single, there's no chance of entering GARAGE SALE HELL! Looking at the bright side, now's your opportunity to buy the CD...

mWorld: tee time: T minus 3 hrs 20 min & counting...

Having fun on a Friday afternoon, NOT AT WORK! - Doc

MIYS was a request and, hey, I'm easy.

Edd

Turf Royal number? Like 1-800-DA-KINE1 ????? Am I right?

Yes, it seems that more than one citizen has delved into the mystical self and enjoyed the Kiersey Temperment Sorter. I sure would love to know who posted that link. Please mail me.

Anyways.... This is the first in what will probably be many posts relating to the "Behind The Mask: Walter & Donald Revealed" summer project which I mentioned earlier. ( If they'd just tour, damn it, then they's save themselves the misery of being the subject of my subjecting).

Question 1: Can anyone give some examples of SD songs which were written by: all-Donald or all-Walter. I need to isolate some samples of their writing styles, aside from their solo efforts.

Thanks, Citizens, you're gonna love this!!

BTW, don't do anything earth-shaking with your results of the Kiersey. While it's a good indicator of personality, it was intended to serve as a starting point to personality typing.

Laters, maj.

Edd Cote,

Very nice work. Q2 to you.

(For those of you who didn't get it, in Spanish Q2 is pronounced ku-dos)

Dave: I think Everyone's Gone To The Movies would be awesome. There's so many background vocal opportunities. And it's got humor. I was listening to it on Citizen, disc 4, last night. They must have had so much fun recording that version! It's kinda red-necky and tacky but I loved it! You could at least play with it...

DeeConBluz: I finally had time to listen to Deacon Blues. I opened a bottle of wine and started fixing dinner. I actually had a good time. DB goes very well with savignon blanc.

BTW, what does "this one's for real, I already bought the dream" mean exactly?

George: I am posting again, aren't I?

Standing: I am OK now. The big clod doesn't even know what he did. Thanks for caring. It's alright to let it go now. There's death, there's taxes, and there's men behaving badly. A woman survives w/ or w/out you all.

RubyBaby

RUBY; What ARE you talking about?

OLEANDER; Yes, Fagen is great, maybe I am comparing Kamakiriad and 11 T O W.

SF KNIGHT; yes, go on and feed your little girl with Steely music, thatīs how I raised my son, and he is pretty good on the guitar now.

Clas

GEORGE, RUBY AND ASSOCIATED; When I said that you (George) were mad because I made a call to your gal, I meant the drunk call I made to Maxine. And when I was talking about my conversation to my priest and her moisty little body, that was NOT refering to anyone else but this imaginary "priest".

I think itīs a good thing for men standing up for their wifes, but I donīt think itīs a good thing for paranoid men standing up for paranoid wifes. And I donīt like when they post to me anonimous. But I guess that is the way they do in good US of A.

Clas

M: Thanks for last night, this morning too, thanks, you were (and are) exquisite. But look how early in the morning you have to get up anymore to start rousting the opposite sex - it's 4 AM in Lappland, the Lapps haven't even begun lapping yet, and our man is already up and at'em. No easy job, being a cybercad, Scandinavian or otherwise. Neil and I are yawning aloud, just thinking about it.

Oleander: Now I'm getting confused. I suspect twelve tracks s standard for 11 TOW but isn't someone getting one more or one less? I guess I'm just hoping there is a WB song I have yet to hear.

Aja has taken on a whole new feel now I've been playing it on the way to gigs in the car. 'I'll be what I want to be' (usually a bassist who only remember a riff seconds before playing it).

Pip pip

Stiff

Stiff, on the Japan release of 11ToW there was 13 tracks, the 13th being a great song called Medical Science.

That Boz Scaggs show on VH1 is supposed to air sometime tomorrow.

If you haven't heard Medical Science, I have a clip of it on my website.

STEELY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edd & sf knight--'monkey in your soul'--it's the cheesy, polyester bell-bottom horns that make it for me. that, and the weird, flatulant bass part (that is the bass, isn't it?). how can you not like that?

edd--never heard it called a 'clam' before. but you're right. it's the whole 'i meant that!' kind of thing.

kinky--'ooh you are so big. gosh we're all real impressed down here i can tell you.'

clas--you english language kung fu is very good, but not good enough. trust me man, it's not just 'four dots,' it's 'three dots and a period.' very important difference. count 'em--one, two, three, AND A PERIOD.

the whole problem is that i majored in English Lit in university, so i have this horrible anal-retentive fixation on punctuation. don't EVEN get me started on split infinitives.

i guess it doesn't matter, but one thing that does matter is your continued insulting of the united states. come on, man, you've got to be more imaginitive. it's stupid to try to use someone's country to flame them. think about it:

'well, i guess that's just how you NIGERIANS are!'

is that pathetic, or what? or how about:

'well, not surprising considering you're a SWEDE!'

or:

'i guess all you LITHUANIANS are all the same!'

or:

'goes to show you what MONGOLIANS are all like!'

see what i mean?

the fact that this guy is posting anonymously has nothing to do with the country he comes from. i bet you can find anonymously-posting assholes in any country with computers.

so please cut that shit out.

peace,

rabbit

Hi, guys! I missed you! I tried to talk to you before but I just got a blank screen. Oh, well, I have to go, but I'll be back sometime later at some point.

Don't seem right. I've been strung out here all night.

Me

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

Here!(toss)Who wants to grab this and respond? Questions on the song Royal Scam:

1) Is it about the Mafia?

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

3) What is the city of St. John?

Greetings from the #1 DanFan in northeast Tennessee.

By the way, if you need partial tab or have question about the music per se, write me. I've been decoding SD music since '76.

Cret3

R O C K; Yes, I was tracked down by Beckers lawyers, 48 of them came to my office the other day. I pissed on them and then I threw them out of the window. The last I saw was their dumb, wet US-asses crawling back to the airport. ( one of them was shiting in his pants, he claimed his name was Larry Saulters )

RABBIT; Or what about this: "is this how you do things in Sweden, you perverted lapplandiar", or "you are a good ad for Sweden you spermbrusher, suck my fat dick" etc etc... and YOU are talking about insults!

I could go on but I wonīt.

GEORGE; Do you want to hear the rest of the story about my naked, moisty little priest?

A serious question;

Being busy to count dots and bait jealous husbands I have forgot to ask this: How can I get a copy of these unrealesed Steely songs, Jack of Speed, Wet Side Story and others?

Here's the answers!

> 1) Is it about the Mafia?

No.

2) "..red and green, colors of their sunny island. . .reference to Sicilian flag or what?

No.

3) What is the city of St. John?

The capital city of "Rich Port."

Edd

G: Oh look, that is precious - one of them has got you mixed up with the other George fellow. He's still trying to bait you/him with the priesty business. As if you, of all people, might know or care anything about a priest, in your condition. Or me in mine, for that matter.

Happy anniversary, darling. M

Roy--ever the gentleman! Only you could put such a gallant spin on my connubial conniptions. Just be glad you weren't a fly on that wall.

Eddman--whatever you decide to deconstruct is chill in my book. Have at it.

YGK--May? At this point it may be the May-llennium before I repair to your barrio. Hope sooner! But I know how to reach you....(ecce ellipsis) And which rumors? Yours I hope?

Ruby-->this is for real/I already bought the dream: you have to hear it in context--I think this is someone looking back on one life ("that shape is my shade [ghost/doppelganger]/there where I used to stand") and saying farewell--and affirming that the new one is "for real," not just a fantasy. He's "bought" the dream, not just tried it on ("there's no return," to borrow from a nearby song). There can as usual be double or triple meanings in "the dream," of course--another dream that soured & must be cast away, e.g. the American Dream? The last 4 lines of the stanza turn him toward the dream as new reality--and incidentally sum up the SD attitude toward deconstructing their lyrics--"so useless to ask me why"!

Rabbit--did your major in Eng. include an ee cummings fetish?

Edd again--now now. Let's not be so Dannish with the Cretacean.

Happy day to all you othah mothahs

Hey RubyBaby,

Deacon Blues goes well with anything :)

DCB

and boy are my arms tired...

Let's see if we can come up with some sort of "canonical" (whatever the fuck that means) list of things that have always puzzled us in the lyrics deeds and words of the men of Steel..

I'll start:

1) What the hell is a "Boston Rag"? What is it's significance to the song? I understand that the streets used in the song aren't those of Boston and I also know that Lonnie (who swept the playroom) was a roomate at Bard...so how does it work that one should tell, "...all your buddies that it ain't no drag."? Is this a purposeful incongruity? Is a Boston Rag just a suppository?

2) Does anyone know what kind of speakers were used to mix AJA? I understand that they used some very "rock" speakers to mix the first few albums. Just as an aside, Zappa once went out and bought a pair of popular mid price speakers and mixed one of his albums on them just so that the listener could have some sort of guide-post. I thought that was a cool idea. I think Walter made some sort of notation on 11TOW about speakers too..doubt I could afford 'em though. What's everyone listening to the Dan on? 'Posed to be an audiophile group (you know..trenchcoats and all that) but I honestly started listening to the Dan via a shitty best-of cassette. I had a K-mart hand-me-down stereo after that. Finally I use Paradigm MKII 9's and I like them juzz fine after that hell. Need a better cd player but I am gonna wait for HDCD. The gold Mobile Fidelity Labs AJA CD is one of the best I own. The "tone" differences between the remasters are DEFINITELY there. I've bought the catalogue THREE FUCKING TIMES. I'm happy with the box set.

3) Why aren't there more references to LESBIANS and LESBIANISM in the music of steely dan? Other than Rose Darlin Steely Dan is pretty much Lesbo-Free. More Dykes.

Anyhoo...I believe I have blown my digital wad...best of luck to you and yours,

Shindig.

Funny piece from Rockline Interview with Mark Knopfler

MK: Thank you]. You're welcome, my question was, back in 1980, when you worked on, ironically enough, Steely Dan's GAUCHO album with Donald Fagen and Walter Becker, how did that all come about? You worked on the tune "Time Out of Mind", which is a fantastic tune. Did they come to you? Did you go to them? It's a great tune, I love it, how did that all happen?

MK: No, you get sessions by, usually, people come to you and ask you, you can't go barging up to people who you don't know and saying, suggesting, that um .... No, actually that was the first proper session that I ever did, so it was a real, you know, in at the deep end, there, because of course I rated them so highly, and it was a great way to actually, to start. But I was kind of shocked, because I wasn't really familiar with you know, the session world, or how people refered to things, and this, that and the other. So it took me by surprise, a bit, and I was there till about 4 o'clock in the morning. And I remember walking out of that session, and looking at the engineer, and saying "Man, I mean, wow, how was all that?" I mean, I was kind of puzzled, you know. And he said "Man, don't worry," he said, "you did great", he said "you wanna see - you know they been through a hundred and fifty musicians, crawling out on their knees." So I thought, oh well, it can't have been too bad. But, you know, you get to, when you do more and more and more sessions, you get to know the way that it all works and you just get more used to it, you know, time spent doing it and everything else. It was a privilege to play on the record.

Hey Shindig,

re previous: Why do you think Rose Darlin' is lesbian reference? I believe(could be wrong)the Boston Rag was a 20s dance. Seems like Fagen was commenting on pre-drug culture pasttimes, good, clean fun things which people today don't have the patience,focus or cultural encouragement to learn or engage in.

Cret3

Hey Shindig,

re previous: Why do you think Rose Darlin' is lesbian reference? I believe(could be wrong)the Boston Rag was a 20s dance. Seems like Fagen was commenting on pre-drug culture pasttimes, good, clean fun things which people today don't have the patience,focus or cultural encouragement to learn or engage in.

Cret3

Elegant Gypsy- awesome! One of my non Dan all time favorites-CBS 1/2 spd vinyl is best presentation of this evocative gem. Anyone know any details of the Gaucho composition/Kieth Jerrett deal??- have a specific reason for knowing more detail about this "incident"- nothing insidious mind you, but relevant. If any Dansters do pls Email me. Q -patiently waiting for the next tour.

What! Are there several Georgees on this Book? That explains my confusion here.

RABBIT; I just checked in my book " Swedish Language Rules", in Sweden there should be only three dots. But if you have another rule in USA Iīm not gonna fight it anymore.....

I got a problem here with some chords on Black Friday. i get back to you in a couple of minutes.

Clas

"When Black Friday falls, you know itīs got to be" - chords in Steely Complete: A G F# G F#/D# A/D A/B, but this F#/D# sounds wrong to me, I want it to be a F#m/D#.

Am I right or am I wrong?

the Dandy of Gamma Chi, Clas

FineCol: What do you play?

Teresa: I just read your May 4th post about the mastubation/suicide mix up. The (very painful thought) that crossed my mind was that 'top myself' could cover both eventualities. Simultaneously. Ouch! Myself, I prefer the phrase 'buff the happy lamp.'

Midnight Cruiser: Thanks for the information. Now I have to dedicate my life to finding Medical Science. So to speak.

Pip pip,

Stiff

FineCol: What do you play?

Teresa: I just read your May 4th post about the mastubation/suicide mix up. The (very painful thought) that crossed my mind was that 'top myself' could cover both eventualities. Simultaneously. Ouch! Myself, I prefer the phrase 'buff the happy lamp.'

Midnight Cruiser: Thanks for the information. Now I have to dedicate my life to finding Medical Science. So to speak.

Pip pip,

Stiff

Bollocks! I posted twice.

No finer boating music than Steely Dan.

StAl

"I've got a gal and Ruby is her name"

Ahhhh, MAD MONA takes a break from baking gospel candy....

Thanks, JE, for pointing out that Bodhisattva and Barrytown were Donald-only lyrics. How bout Walt-only lyrics? "Let's hear it!"

Lucky: Thanks for the answering machine ear candy. Nuthin' sweeter than hearing those Pehhhhg-chords-on-the-home-Fender-as-played-by-Lucky-recorded-on-my-machine.

maj.

Clas: yes, there's another George currently around (how about Geo K.?). We are separate persons. We share views, though, like "it's an attitude, not a problem", and there's Marion, also. Regarding the Black Friday chords, I use G-F-E-F keeping the D in the top position of the right hand, then E over E, G over C, G over A. You see, I took it down one whole note to be able to sing it. Try it for yourself. I never played the E over C#, which would meet the book description, but will try so tonite. I don't think a Em (or F#m) would be ok.

Ruby: thanks! stay on board pls!

Re: "the dream". I thought that "Deacon Blues" was a straight-forward personal song about a guy whose "dream" is to be Deacon Blues the sax man and live the jazz life with his teahouse pals. The Royal Scam, on the other hand, takes on the lofty theme of the 'American Dream' wherein naive immigrants from places like, oh, let's say San Juan, can find the promised land; which, of course, turns out to be waisting time in the back room working for somebody similar to the Mafia. Check out the "America" number in Bernstein/Sondheim's "West Side Story".

Oleander: Thanks for correcting my "only a fool would say that" Spanish grammar.-- Mrs. McPhillimey would come down from Spanish teacher heaven and kick my Anglo-Saxon ass for that subjunctive/present tense mixup.

Shindig: Rose darling? Lesbians? I'm not listening. My hands are covering my ears. Snake Mary is a chaperone. No more, no less. Indigo somewhere else with your heresy.

RS

Royal: You mean that Rose Darling ISN'T about Ellen DeGeneres? I heard somewhere that she's a lesbian....maybe she even loves the Dan?

Royal: I always thought that Rose Darling was a song about masturbation, kinda in the same vein (ugly pun) as Rosie by Jackson Browne. I thought Rose was just slang for his hand and he was having to rough up the suspect because Mary just wasn't getting the job done for him anymore.

"All I ask of you is make my wildest dreams come true" - little bit of fantasy

"No one sees and no one knows" - a little under the cover action?

"The spore is on the wind tonight" - If it is "on the wind" then there is no partner

"We'll wear the weary hours down" - I'll let that one speak for itself...

Just a few thoughts! And HELLO to everyone in Steely Dan land!

El Sup

Let's not bring Ellen DeGenerate onto this guestbook, OK?

st. al--beautiful boat! and a perfect name for her too. : )

el supremo--dammit! i don't think i'll ever be able to listen to that song the same way again...

amanda

As requested, "Monkey In Your Soul."

Anti-deconstructionists should NOT follow the link.

Edd

BTW - Anyone who wants to experience some SERIOUS deconstructon should check out Alan W. Pollacks Notes On Series.

Edd

thanx EDD!!

St. Al - Great boat!, Congrats man, happy trolling.

Doc: Hope you hit 'em straight.

Maj: I tried that number, disconnected...

mW

Walter,

Ha! The Windsor Unimax 5000 computer system you say? Not only was this ghastly 4-bit monstrosity already antiquated even by 1973 standards, but it was also so off-the-charts bug ridden that even someone of Jack Tafoya's dubious computer skills should've known better than to utilize it for test market research investigations! Hell, I've seen better CPU's in your every day, garden variety household food processor for crissakes. To say nothing of the pathetic bubble sort algorithms available circa 1973 for generating those "9,087 best names for the burgeoning group" as you so optimistically enunciated. Did you realize that these "best names" were derived from a computer that would routinely drop an LSB due to; a) a sudden Penko Power induced surge; b) Electro-Static Discharge (typically brought on by some vainglorious record company exec perpetually running a comb through his/her hair whilst milling around the machine); or c) the keystroke sequence J-a-c-k-o?

Based on all of this rather malleable data, I would have to conclude that your whittling down of the band name to "Steely Dan" was nothing if not a shear random act of god... that or you guys just happened to like that infamous Billy Burroughs Tome... one or the other.

mW: still a little early in the season for straightness... although bogey golf this early ain't bad... shaved the beard knowing I'd be out in the sun... 27 holes...

Joe: I still can't get enough of Manassas...

Everybody else: I'm hoping the SUMMER 97 text on the SD page changes to a link soooooon!!!

Later - Doc

"Tom Schiller" (the author of the WU5000 thing) is a real; guy, not one of WB's alter egos -- he used to write for Saturday Night Live a while back.

inspired by actual events that happened not even a week ago, i have rhetorical questions to pose:

you're finally in Florida (amelia island to be exact, humming "on the dunes", "florida room", or "walk between raindrops", whatever), where one of your old friends is about to change his life forever with marriage,and he's in charge of the big 100 CD jukebox that will be playing the hits during the reception - a big outdoor bash at one of the plantation/golf clubs down there.

Your friend, KNOWING your obvious taste in music, leaves you the no. 2 spot on the CD play list, and you've planned this scene for what seems like forever, so you bring your favorite SD album for JUST such an event.....only to have your better half ride off with your SD CD whilst she attends a rehearsal or shower, just as you need it!

because you have such good taste in friends, your buddy has "Decade" already loaded as a bittersweet second choice.

the two-part question i pose, hypothetically, is: 1) what WOULD have been your album/song choice if you would have had the foresight to hold onto it when you needed it, and b) what is your second choice off of "Decade"?

I'm assuming your depth of SD appreciation goes further than your radio here, i know...if anyone cares to offer ideas as to what i had to choose, i'd be interested...and, no, i didn't choose "Black Cow".....

in the corner | of my eye | i saw you in rudy's | you were very high

rudy.

Just In Case: You mean WB has "bogus personas" too??

"...Broadway Duchess, darling, if you only knew..."

mW: what numbah?

On the first tee: "Way back when in sixty-seven, (practice swing) I was a dandy Sigma Phi, sweet things from Boston so young and willing, rolled down to Scarsdale, (whack!) WHERE THE HELL AM I?"

Just made a few music carts at the station from Walter's Whack -- the 1:10 intro to Hat, 20-sec piece of LCM, 40 sec intro to Hard Up Case, the latter of which may punt Donald's New Frontier segment from official teme song of my show. I was wearing headphones and could hear layers of guitars like never before. I hope the new recording sounds that good. When Walter's awake, he be damn good.

Philly Citizens: "In Transition" airs Tuesday night 5-13, 8-9pm, on 88.9 WBZC-FM, Pemberton.

"...there was never any question, it was always all or nothing, SURF AND/OR DIE."

maj.

GEORGE (THE NICE ONE):

Iīm pretty sure that the right chords are (played with the record yesterday) :

A G F# F#m/D# (which means D# in the bass) A/D A/B - donīt let it fall on me - no chord.

StAL, Nice boat. But what the hell has happened to those houses? Has some serious partying going on there? An StAl, you donīt look like a redneck to me.

GAUCHO alias Clas: where are you?

Clas

"If I had my way, I would move to another lifetime ..."

Rudy: no, I would not have chosen the above as my friends intro into marriage, though I must admit it would put some humour to the scene. but I imagine also having put surprise into the CD list.

Supremo, Shindig: don't think I'm with you on your interpretations of Rose Darling. I always loved the idea of the concealed love scenes (yes, Snake Mary, the chaperone) between Rose and her lover. "... with only you and what I've found ...". While "the spore is on the wind tonight", she certainly "won't feel it 'til it grows", but then?!

Rudy again: yeah, into this great scenery of joy and harmony I'd have planned to throw "Rose Darling", but well, as that's on my SOH's dearest album it's lost, borowed, away and gone. So Decade? Yeah, I get the feeling that Hey Nineteen would make a great party song, with "the Cuervo Gold, the fine colombian ...". But given the way we are and the fun we like to have, yeah, I would have put "Peg" into the player list. Nothing else.

Clas: yes, I do think the Black Friday chords in the Best Of book are correct and original, listen to the bass line, its an F# over D#, A over D, A over B. Keeping the E through the chords before - as said in my last post - into the F# chord adds a nasty harmony to this F# over D# and makes it an F#7 over D# but I believe that's not in the original chart.

Walter & Donald: thanks for all these crazy chord progressions. where would I be without 'em?

Supremo: If this interpretation of "Rose Darling" is correct, i.e., that Rose is actually Rosie Palm and her five daughters (aka: Minnie Fingers) and if Jackson Brown's "Rosie" is also about self gratification, then perhaps 'Rose' is actually a pop-music code word for choking the old chicken. In that case we've just nailed down Neil Diamond and his Cracklin Rosie (and all this time we thought that was about booze). Not to mention Barbara Streisand and her "Second Hand Rose" (when one hand just isn't enough). I guess even Nat King Cole did a little Ramblin' with miss Rose.

RE chord progressions for the Freudian version of Rose Darling: Begins with a major augmented and ends with a minor diminished.

Shindig, Supremo: What's the Freudian spin on Caves of Altamira? Fire in the Hole?

RS

George: Hmmm....secret love? Could be. But "You won't feel it til it grows" supports which argument.... ;-)

Roy: A code word conspiracy? I like that! While "Rosie" by Jackson Browne is blatant: "You wear my ring", "When you hold me tight, that's my thing", "When you turn out the light, I got to hand it to me/Looks like it you and me again tonight, Rosie", I never even considered the ramifications of the other two you mentioned. Living in Louisville, you have given me new reason to second-guess "Run for the Roses"... :-)

And "Fire in the Hole" and "Caves of Altimira"? I'll let those rest, but I might have just added an extra definition to 11TOW....

El Sup

GEORGE REHELLER: F# over D# gives us a simple D#m7. I still think it is F#m over D#.

Thanks Joni Mitchell for inspiring Becker/Fagen with those crazy chord progressions.

With a transistor and a large sum of money to spend, Clas

El Supremo: I'm beginning to think you're dead on the money with your interpretation of "Rose Darling." "With only you and what I've found"-- a boy whose just learned the secrets of self-gratification? Shrug, either way, I'll never listen to it the same way again. Thanks. :)

i'm digging the song and chord analyses, gents. keep 'em comin! here's some more finger food (and ear candy) on pehhg (Cmaj7--Gmaj9, which is to say: B-E-G/C bass; B-D-G/A bass, pretty simple, eh? just a matter of starting with the right sheets)--set her on vibes, crank it, enjoy the ride...; suddenly, you hit "page 2", the chorus, exclaiming...you gotta be f-ck--g kidding me...

Fire in the Hole --can anyone tell me whether the solo piano part follows the progression at the beginning? (Dimn7, Emaj7, Gmin7, Amaj7); it sure sounds like it.

thx again, all, "..all I wanna know is, where does a guy like me fit in...?"

Supremo: 11 tracks of what??! You naughty boy. And don't try to tell us you'll quit as soon as you need glasses. Now go to your room and don't be spanking that Monkey in Your Soul.

Shindig: We still haven't heard the argument for lesbianism in Rose D. The only lesbian reference I remember was "K.D. lied".

This is absolutely my last sexually motivated, sniggering, smarmy entry ever (for a while).

RS

Play an accordion.... Go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Pete: I did catch Boz late, late Sunday. There was Zingg on his right with guitar and chapeau. Was that Chambers in the back?

El Supremo, RS. Talk about a "bogus persona!" Hilarious! I've been slapping myself silly...er, wait,I didn't mean that...

re: Lucky Henry

You'll have better karma if you play the verses to "Peg" this way...

Cmaj7 - G(add9). Voice it like this, B-E-G/C bass to A-D-G/B bass.

Use the same voicing in a I-IV-V progression to complete the verse.

There's no need to play the G bass in the second chord, that's what basses are for.

Listen closely to the recording, you'll hear the B.

Edd

edd--great deconstruction (or would 'decomposition' be better, as the breakdown on a musical composition? maybe not.), and thanks for the nod. the presentation is very clean, and actually looks good on my crappy 16-color monitor, which is a rare treat.

don't you think the addition of some psychelic, plastic-ey-looking flowers would have looked kind of groovy? it's the horn line, man!

peace,

rabbit

p.s. re the 'rosie palmer darling' thread here--that line 'the spore is on the wind tonight' always makes me think of a carnal scene with the smell of sex in the air. i think they guy is just assuring the girl that there's no way the chaperone lady will wake up. 'all our steamy sounds of love cannot disturb her in her night, or raise her sleeping head' or whatever it is. anyway 'snake mary' sounds to me like a nun who's in charge of a dorm at a catholic girls' boarding school.

also by the way, no e e cummings fetish here. (what's up with that last name spelling? there's a message there too, i'm positive!) i was mostly into the romantics--blake, byron, coleridge, etc.

StAl: Nice boat, yacht, ship, or whatever that thing is classified as... us flatlanders don't get to see those things too often! Our waves are of grain... actually we do have some fairly nice large lakes... I'm hoping to pick up a waverunner in the next week or so... anyway, when are you going to paint the name on Ruby Baby?

Later - Doc

Lucky Henry: I-IV-V -- that's what I said, too. Easy. Right.

"...with only you (hand) and what I've found (skin magazine), we'll wear the weary hours down..." I always liked their play on words here with "wear the weary". Try saying that ten times fast. Great stuff.

Who do you suppose wrote the lyrics for this song. It could help unlock the keys...

maj.

Rudy: I would have played Dr.Wu. Too bad she ran off with your disc. If I ever have a big party like that, you're invited and you can have the cd spots of your choice. OK?

RoyScam: What do you know about dreams? I had a dream w/ Donald Fagen in it and it reminded me of Caves of A. I'll tell it to ya, if you want. Just let me know.

EDD COTE: Why not voice Peg as Donald do, look at the video:

GBE (Cmajor7) C in the bass, GAD with B in the bass.

I saw Jay Graydon a couple of years ago (uhh) and the audience wanted him to play the Peg-solo. He got pissed and said - I donīt remember that damn solo anymore!

Turn your love around, Clas

Dr Mu: That wasn't Chambers with Boz, although he he looked and played a lot like him. Unfortunately, time didn't allow for all the show to be aired, there was a good 3 or 4 songs missing.

Speaking of Boz, I went into the NY Rock & Soul photos and put up a new slideshow on my website. Some of the pictures were taken at the Beacon Theater, and others are from different arenas during the 1992 Tour.

Pals: did you know that Boz spent some time here in Stockholm early 70s, as a streetmusician, with a bassdrum on his back, guitar and harmonica. I wish I could get some money back that I dropped in his hat.

Clas

> EDD COTE: Why not voice Peg as Donald do, look at the video: > GBE (Cmajor7) C in the bass, GAD with B in the bass.

I quick glance at my copy of the video shows Donald playing the intro exactly as I stated. (I didn't watch the entire thing to see if he changes inversions at some point.)

I also tried clas's version on the keyboard. Mud city. Yuck. P-tui.

Edd

You know their lost wages, lost wages.

Ruby: I know nothing of dreams (except that, when I wake up, Kim Delaney is no longer taking me into custody). Dreams are no more than a random memory dump, not unlike arbitrarily grabbing a sector from the spinning disk in your hard drive. Oops, that sounded Freudian. On the other hand, Nillson said that dreams are nothing more than wishes. Yes, we must hear your Donald Fagen nocturnal adventure. We can all deconstruct it a la Edd C. Off hand, I'd say that any dream involving caves and a man who names his group after a dildo is likely to have some sexual foundation.

Spanky: "Play the accordian, go to the Hall of Fame"? The answer is Garth Hudson.

Edd C. I've never seen "Yuck P-tui" in written form before. [Wasn't he a Pharoah?] You have again enlightened us.

RS

EDD COTE, thank you sir, thanks for responding to my stupid little post, thanks. I will print it out and put in a golden frame, show it to my friends and tell, this Edd Cote has a COVERBAND and he is a GURU on Steely Dan songs. That is only one pitiful thing about this gentleman, he is a consult, he knows how to do things but he canīt do them himself.

You have an arrogant attitude, big mouth and all you do is playing with a coverband. Mud city. Yuck. P-tui.

YGK: Have you been tawking lately?

Clas

....still lurking....

All this "Rose Darling" stuff is a good example of the iNtuitive (gathering of information) dimension of personality in operation.

But what of the composer or composers?

maj.

On Apr. 2, Clas wrote:

>>... my doctor has discovered a cancersvulst on my right kidney.<<

Later, he told us this wasn't true.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think that there is anything funnier than a case of fake cancer. It just can't stop laughing.

I lost a friend to breast cancer a week ago. Her pain and anguish from the disease were eased by Clas's antics. The chemo- therapy treatments were easy for her to endure because she knew that someone out there was having a good joke with the sickness that was slowly taking the life from her body.

Thanks Clas...you're doing "a world of good". Hope you got all the attention that you crave.

Yours Truly,

David

DAVID (alias Paul Cummings): I have several friends who have died of and survived cancer. And if you believe something is true, even if itīs brainghosts, that donīt have to mean that you are joking about it?

If YOU think I believe in your bullshit story about your friend, forget it. If you like to play games, fine, I love games.

And a simple advice, let your little woman stand up for herself next time ehh? Womans lib you know?

YGK; No, I mean tawwking, you know?

EDD, my little friend, I hate to admit it but you are right, Donald does the voicing you said. G on top. But that doesnīt mean MY voicing is mud city, itīs the same chords, right?

And a QUESTION again, how can I get copies of Jack of Speed, Wet Side Story etc... anyone?

Which movie is this line from (in a german accent)?

"yees, and I will take se bomb and shuvver it up your asss man"

claudios

So, Clas, you mock and insult not only my knowledge of Steely Dan but my vocational proficiency as well (which you know NOTHING of past what I've posted in my resume), without even checking your facts? You never even LOOKED at the video before you lambasted me?

A public apology is warranted.

Edd

Clas: Go get some cancer for yourself and get the f**k outta here.

glad to see nothing's changed around here...

thank you, Edd Cote! Voicings aren't my strong suit, but then, I've never had a lesson. Since the Beaz was unavailable, what's your hourly rate?

Maxine: you got mail, babe. (snail mail, that is.)

YGK: Flyers in six!!

LH: Rangers in Seven!!!!!!! Knicks in Six!!!!!!

Well, today's guestbook is just one cheerful diversion after another. Try these:

Identify: List A: Parker, Jesus, Presley, Franklin, Weld, Brubeck, Coltrain List B: Beethoven, Dylan, Mao, Jo Jo Stalin, Elmo James, Sir Walter Raleigh

Name 2 accordian players in the R&R Hall of Fame.

What uncomplimentary phrase did Frank Zappa use to describe Steely Dan?

Some of these I don't know the answer to so please help me out.

RS

Identify: List A: Parker, Jesus, Presley, Franklin, Weld, Brubeck, Coltrain List B: Beethoven, Dylan, Mao, Jo Jo Stalin, Elmo James, Sir Walter Raleigh

List A: Parker, as in Charlie

Jesus, that long-haired famous Puerto Rican orator

Presley, famous overweight drug addict

Weld, as in not after monday, Tuesday

Brubeck, as in Dave "I'll play in five or seven 'cause I just don't care about four anymore" Brubeck

For list B: Other than the deaf Composer, the frequently misunderstood songwriter, and the Chinaman, I can't offer any review...

...forgot about Aretha, but Roy, how can you misspell Coltrane?.....

CLAS: That wasn't my husband up there, being David. I think there is a real Dave, who lost a real friend.

David: I am truly sorry for your loss.

RB

EDD COTE: I have seen the video several times the last years. I donīt think thereīs a big deal if you play the chords my or Donīs way. In the verse.

You acting on this site like a great, mabe the greatest, musician the world ever seen. But all you do is playing Steely Dan-songs ( I guess the easy ones) in dumps in small midwestern towns. That is very pathetic, in my book.

YGK: Now youīre tawking. Have you tawked on the phone lately, with calif.?

With a gun, Clas

Your Gold Keith: Okay , then , what do Charlie, Hey-soos, the King, the blond beauty, the Queen of soul and the almost un-spellable COLTRANE have in common? The common link of list B is a little tougher. (You may have to put on your corporation tee-shirt and roll up).

YGK: I missed your Brubeck allusion to 'four'. Explain please. And what is the meaning of the title "Take Five"?

RS

Roy.Scam: It sounds like you know something about dreams. Here it is:

I was stuck in an elevator with one other person, who was Donald Fagen. We were sitting on the floor, not saying a word. He looked a lot like he did about the time of Katy Lied. Anyway, I became bored, so I reached into my purse and took out a lipstick and a mirror and I began to put it on. So he looked at me and asked, "What are you DOING?". I could tell he was annoyed. So I said, "There's absolutely nothing to do, I'm getting bored, and this is what women DO when we're bored!" He was looking at my lipstick, which was hot pink BTW, kind of like he wanted it, and I just gave it to him. Then he began to draw on the walls of this elevator. It was really cool stuff and I thought it was Chinese because he did it from right to left and down to up. He was totally into it and he was explaining it to me. It was all about the meaning of life and he wasn't annoyed anymore. Then AT&T called and woke me up. Damn!

I'm open to ideas. Just try to be kind, OK?

RubyBaby

Clas: what does your reference to phone calls to Calif mean? Please x-plain......

Roy: my ref. to four is simply this: On Take Five, the album, many (I forget HOW many) tunes (I think there are 7 total) are in different meters, i.e. "Take Five", the tune, is in FIVE - an untraditional meter due to its angular complexity and variations of feel. As a musician, you can count it a variety of ways: 1,2,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,1,2, etc. Without a profound understanding of how 5 works, a musician can get really lost - of course you just have to count it until it becomes a "true companion". Blue Rondo a la Turk begins is in Rondo form with a 7 pattern alternating with a 9 series or an extended 3 feel. Count the eighth notes in the beginning and I'm sure you'll get it. After this whole extrapilation he then, and only then settles down to a swing blues and eventually returns to the first pattern.

Brubecks work frequently explores uncommon meters - Take Five is the most notable.

I don't know the tie in is - please enlighten me.

ygk

Click here for a cool shot.

whoa!

Wotcha!

Stiff: Thanks for the address, I'll post you a copy once the demo's done (vox going down this Thursday) but only if you reciptocate... A bit of the old you show me yours, etc. In answer to your question the only thing I can play is the larynyx. The boys call me Babs - short for Babylon Sister - but then flatulence gets you nowhere.

I'm at 9 Emanuel Avenue, North Acton, London W3 6JG.

Ciao fer now.

FineCol: English coverbands are OK for me.

RS. List A are folks specifically mentioned or referred to in SD/DF songs?

List B may be folks who are topics of allegorical songs by SD???? I'm rubbing my decoder ring hard now...Chain Lightning for Mao/Stalin???. This could be tough.

accordion and R&RHoF: Is Buckwheat Zydeco in? of course the Rascals used it for a song with a dynamite vocal performance by Eddie Brigati

YGK: Thanks for the Brubeck enlightenment. Those odd-numbered beats per measure give me metronomic spasms. If I try to write a song with anything other than 4, the melody and chords end up in different time zones. I had guessed that the title "Take Five" meant that they got it right on the fifth take. DB didn't write Take 5 did he? It was his cohort Paul __(mental block on the last name).

The common link of list A (Aretha, Brubeck,etc.): They're all mentioned by name in Becker and/or Fagen songs. List B: (Mao, Raliegh,etc) were all mentioned by another Dan-caliber rock band. (hint:..Sir Walter Raliegh, he was such a stupid get.)

Oleander: Free Tibet = Free to bet

RS

RS: Paul Desmond - don't have my vinyl handy as to the writing credits.

...any takers on the outcome of the Knicks-Heat series?....

The only thing that I've seen printed by Zappa about Steely Dan was that comment in the box set "Downer Surrealism".

Now here's a question:

Is GAUCHO a song about homosexuality?

I think so, but I also feel Rose Darling is about masturbation, so what do I know? ;-) Any other guesses about that Bodacious Cowboy?

El Sup

Heat in 7

Knicks in 7th round.

Paul Desmond did, indeed, write "Take Five."

My favorite quote of his was how he described his sound, "...like a dry martini."

I believe he also had a book out called "How Many People Are There In Your Quartet?"

Edd

EL SUPREMO: Gaucho was written in the shade of Beckers drug and alcohol-problem. Music wasnīt Beckers first love at that time, Gaucho (drugs and alcohol) was.

Clas El Cornudo

El Supremo:

My take on "Gaucho" is that it's about a troubled homosexual relationship in which a jealous Gayboy #1 tells Gayboy #2 to tell his new friend Gaucho (Gayboy #3) to hit the road. "Love's not a game for three..."

Maybe on the new album, they'll do a sequel. But this time Gayboy #1 talks directly to the "Gaucho" and gives him the "he's my bitch, I found him first, so go get yourself someone else or I'm going to scratch your eyes out!"

Class:

Long time no speak. Go fuck yourself, fake cancer boy.

"No, he can't sleep on the floor...What do you think I'm yelling for?!"

Sounds like he just brought in a stray perro. (or a stray GUY)

But if somebody thinks it's a drug/alcohol thing, I won't say he's wrong.

That would really be some statement if WB wrote a song about drug addiction and told it through a homosexual vignette, ultimately saying that the two are different sides of the same basic coin - or at least closely related.

RB

I never got the "gay thing" in Steely Dan, especially NOT if Gaucho.

It sounds to me like a lust triangle, where Fagen comes in to find a college "buddy" screwin' around with his chick.

"Why is he standing in your spangled leather pancho, with the studs that match your eyes?" - oh, the pain....

El Supremo:I hope you're wrong. jon: THANX FOR THE VOTE, dude. Edd: you got me laughin' here in the ole Apple, so, how many?

Clas: Again, I will ask, what was your reference to my calling Calif? Please answer, you kind Swede you.

ygk

R.O.C.K. (Defender of the Flag) No kidding? Wow, thank you very much sir.

You know, itīs so funny, yesterday when I couldnīt sleep, I went strolling around downtown, talking to myself. Somehow, I felt I must talk to some real person. So, suddenly this church came up, a nightopen church, donīt know wich religion they practiced, but the neonsign in red said Roxy or something. All the priests (female) danced along naked and the smell of the holy water was outstanding. So I asked if I could tawk (YGK!) in private with one of those moisty little bodys, and I could, 500 bucks she wanted. But her fifteen minutes went so fast... outside on the street again I met a man who asked me what I had done at Roxyīs. -Talked to a priest, I said. -Priest, there are no priests in that place, that place is a whorehouse. - Jeeesus, I screamed, but that is a very illegal thing that whorehousething? -Sure is, he said, but itīs still there.

-Holy Moly, I thought for myself.

El Cornudo

Pehhhhg: You have the best interpretation of "Gaucho" that I've been told, down to the sashay in the sax intro. Let's hear it!!

I like that Free to Bet Tibet thing, very iNtuitive.

maj.

Marion: see how they turn and twist again? Try to do the nastie's parade again. Showdown in web city. Oh well, if you could put in something soothing here.

YKG: Re: Gaucho/Homo:

1st Clue: Recite the lyrics to the song with a homo-style lisp. Pretty scary, huh?

And consider the lyrics for additional clues:

Who is the Gaucho, "amigo?"

you're a "special friend" (how many guys call their girlfriends "a special friend"?)

"Boy," we can't miss (not "Girl, we can't miss")

"leather poncho, (with) studs" (is the narrator's "girlfriend" a biker chick?)

If the album was about the debauchery of late 70's Los Angeles, F&B's observations of a whiny, jealous, homosexual love triangle fits in well with all the other shady characters in the album, drug dealers, stalker/murderer (My Rival: O.J. Simpson, with Time to Kill!!), etc.

The trouble with all you fuckheads is that you think SD songs have "one true" interpretation.

You are so fucking naive and shallow it makes me want to puke.

As with any good work of art, and reality for that matter, (most) SD songs have multiple dimensions of interpretation. It all depends on which perspective they are observed upon.

There is a particular perspective that surfaces if you really dig deep into the lyrics. If you do, you might find that a lot of SD songs are about a guy who likes to penetrate teenage corpses and is torn by guilt. See, he doesn't now if the problem is pedophilia or necrophilia or both or neither.

I think it goes like that. I have to admit that I haven't figured it out yet, but I will let you know when I do.

For now I just think that these guys are a bit to sick for my taste so I have been listening to Marilin instead.

Lots of love.

Gaucho

ROCK : Damm, you are stupid. Tell me, how does it feel to be such an ignorant fuck. You probably are a very happy man. Good for you.

MAJ : iNtuitive?? Nice perspective... for 1897. Don't you read the newspapers? Do you believe in Freud too?? How about Donald Duck?

YGK: One Last Clue...

If the 2nd party in the song is a girl, the Gaucho would be wearing a pair of girl's elevator shoes. The Gaucho must have pretty small feet, or her's must be pretty big.

Maj: i'm much too iNtroverted (whoops, i guess it should be Introverted) to present my iNterpretation here, for all to REaD.

Gaucho: mellow out, man. And be reminded that Freud offered his own interpretation of people and their personalities, based on his own perspective and life experiences. There is no "one true" interpretation of people, just as there is no "one true" interpretation of SD songs.

JamaicanDude

Why don't YOU mellow out, you doppe smoking fagget. Fuck you.

Besides, one thing is a perspective, another a lunacy. So fuck you again.

Gaucho

Mr. Gaucho: What were your feelings when you sensed that the Neo-Freudians were making homosexual inuendos about the song you named yourself after? Amused? Angry? Threatened? Snippy? The analysis didn't seem to upset you until it turned toward the Southern Hemisphere.

Pete F: Boss picture

Ruby: Boss dream. Our panel of experts is still working on the analysis. One question: This lipstick in your dream was it the traditionally shaped lipstick? You know, tube-like? Shaped like a ...a ...what's the word I'm looking for?

Dr. Mu: Unfortunately, my list B was nothing so sophisticated as allegory (By the way, did you know that The Band had a song called "All La Glory", sort of an allegory for allegory). Anyway, the list was real people mentioned in Beatles songs. [One of my favorite Beatles lines is " ..and Jo Jo's always on my my my my my my my my my mind."] DR.: What is Chain Lightning an allegory for? Religion perhaps. "Some turnout, a hundred grand" could be Billy and Oral counting up the collection plate. And "We're standing just where HE stood." speaks for itself.

Now a moment of silence for those fallen hang-gliders whose only legacy is the voice mail messages they left.

RS

P.S. Did Skunk B. really write the theme for King of the Hill or are you sophisticated Western folk pulling some of that irony on us gullible people?

Clas>>> And a simple advice, let your little woman stand up for herself next time ehh? Womans lib you know?<<<

Oh, thank you so much for the advice. I would be more than happy to let her "stand up for herself", but SHE'S DEAD, you idiot.

My name is REALLY David. Her name was REALLY Susan. She REALLY had cancer and she REALLY died from it just over a week ago. I can tell you all about how she had to have her breasts removed or about how embarrassed she was to go out in public because she always had to wear a scarf on her head to hide her baldness that resulted from her treatment, but in the end nothing will change. I will still be sad that I lost a friend, she will still be dead and you will still be the world's biggest asshole. Thank you for all of your compassion.

You're the only person on this planet stupid enough to pretend to have cancer. You are nothing more than an attention starved hypochondriac. Tell everyone about your sternum pains... Fake a case cancer...Watch the sympathy come rolling in. Do you have an itch on your arm? Yes...well then you must have leprosy...better tell all your "friends".

And just to make sure that I have your lie straight, you're claiming that your Brain Ghost told you that you had cancer on your "RIGHT KIDNEY"? This is your story, correct?

David

Gaucho:Over react much?

you're a nasty schoolboy with no place to go. try again tommorow.

lovebob

ps: it's called a "Dictionary". Look into it.

JD: "Jah-may-can dude,.....Ca-rry the new-ews..............."

R.O.C.K. - I agree with all of your points. I think that the word "amigo" in the chorus is the teller. I have never heard the word "gaucho" used as an adjective before. "Can't you see they're laughing at me...". Possibly a man of high social standing that is offended by his lover being with some street boy. Whatever, the relationship, the song is still a masterpiece.

Roy - Neo-Freudians :-) That's kinda catchy, but I just tell it like I hear it...

Dr. Mu - Chain Lightning? It sounds almost like some bizzare fraternity initiation. "Act natural, like you don't care" "Shake his hand" "Be part of the brotherhood" . Could possibly be an initiation into the psycho-spiritual ambient brotherhood of jazz masters? Or could it just be a funky song? Conjecture. Conjecture.

Clas - The only copies of Jack of Speed and Wetside Story I have are on that bootleg "Live at Manassas CD". I'm still looking for Kulee Baba....

El Sup

What about Rikki Don't Lose That Number? Are we talking the same repressed homosexual urges manifesting itself in a friend, an imaginary friend perhaps, much like I believe was conjured in Gaucho?

I see the same pattern in Dr. Wu, although I don't believe that had anything to do with homosexuality. But, again, the narrator talks of another, more appealing persona (Dr. Wu), an extention of himself, as he questions his virility with Katie, who blew into his life, told him lies and left him in a hailstorm of self-doubt on some island somewhere.

Who knows?

DAVE: I am truly sorry for your loss. Really. I understand your anger, but man, I did not kill her. She would be dead even if I wasnīt a hypocondric. I had a real bad day when I wrote that post, and I will be more carefull what I write about in the future. Is that OK for you, Dave? Take care. And welcome to the GuestBook.

GAUCHO; Hi countystud. Can you believe that these guys actually are analysing "Gaucho"? Incredible. No wonder that psychoanalysm, that big -Freud-rip-off, is such big business in USA. What will be next song? "Born in the USA"? ROCK is a big happy babe, a little unpredictable maybe, but I think that is running in his family.

HI JAMAICA!

Viva Martin Sheen!

Clas

Hi Clas! Analyze an SD song for us. Any song but Gaucho. Or Parker's Band. Or Do It Again. Any song. But do it sober, mon.

RS, El Supremo: Very iNteresting suggestions on Chain Lightning. Your guesses are at least as good as mine. The "hush, brother, we cross the square" line had me thinking RED.

loser: I've heard one of Fagen's former flames is a Rikki (a cousin of Paul Shaffer), who did not have the same affinity for recreational pharmaceuticals that the boys did. My guess is that the song had something to do with that.

Supremo: The "class" thing about Gaucho is interesting. It looks like everyone started to talk about Gayboy #1 when Gayboy #2 invited Mr. Gaucho to a high-class event at the Custerdome.

"I don't care what you do at home."

Re: Chain Lightning: Fagen said in an interview that it having something to do with a Nazi rally. It's about a couple of guys being nostalgic for the "good old days".

JAMAICAN; Hmmm, you now I am sober all the time now so itīs not so funny to analyze songs anymore. But as you asked, I will here analyze the great song "Do You Know The Way To San José", by Bert Bacharach, a famous Swedish songwriter, lyrics by Kal Davies, another Swedish giant (giant in several ways Iīve been told). When Bert Bacharach was a kid he lived in a little town the south of Sweden, Arjeplog. His father was a carpenter (he actually wrote the song "...if i were a carpenter, and you were a lady, would you marry me anyway, wich I later heard that she didnīt. Why? Well, if we ask our selves "why?" every time a woman turns down a man we all should go around and say why why why why why why, wouldnīt we? But in this special case I think it had to do something with the upper- and the lowerclass. And a racehorse... no, that was Stewball... I think. "Stewball was a racehorse, he never drank water, he only drank wine." No, Iīm not sure about that one. (it canīt be true can it, an old horse drinking wine? Ribbel around out of bounds, darn it.

ZEKE: Tell me about Neville Brothers please.

EL SUPREMO Thanks, and how can a swede bye that CD? Do you, by chance... know?

Got to go, nice to see you all!

clas

And now for something completely different...

Art Crimes '96 Dan vocalist Carolyn Leonhart will be belting out some choice roulades at Sweet Ophelia's, 430 Broome st. NYC on Thursday May 22, 1997. "So outrageous..."

Joe

PS. Jon, did you get my email?

Joe: so r u goin'?

Ruby: Regarding your Fagen/elevator dream, here's my guess: You have sexual feelings toward Mr. Fagen (a dandy and a viper, no doubt), but you feel ambivalent/awkward/guilty about those feelings. You're not sure if it's legit to be inspired and inflamed by the same person. I think Helen Reddy had that same response dilemma toward Jesus (the Superstar). You suspect (or fear) that DF, being stronger and on a higher plane than us mere horny mortals, would say "Here! Give me that Phallic symbol (lipstick) and get your filthy mind on more elevated thoughts." (thus the elevator). Then he turns the tool of vanity and sexual attraction (the lipstick) into a tool for conveying the true meaning of life. The vertical right-to-left writing is probably in deference to his admiration for things eastern (see Bodhisattva, Aja, Green Flower Street).---By then, you have been spiritually 'elevated', the sexual tension is gone, and you feel at peace.

P.S.: My guess is that, if you hadn't been awakened, Mr. F would have made his move soon. Even holy men have their limits.

RS

Chain Lightning = Swastika Black Cow = Coke Float Brown Cow = Root Beer Float

Criminy, do I have to do the thinking for everyone around here?

ROYAL SCAM: So that so that so th th th th th th that means thththat mr. Fagen HAVE a moisty little body?

Plus, DF is Jewish, and Hebrew goes from right to left.

More later--

Named in recognition of Charles Darwin, this posthumous Award annually goes to the person(s) who has(have) advanced the human race by eliminating themselves from the gene pool through the stupidity of their own actions.

Previous winners include: (for '95) the soft drink thief who died when he was crushed by the pop machine he tipped on himself while trying to tilt it to steal a soda, and (for '96) the speed freak whose Chevrolet went airborne in Arizona and imbedded itself in a cliff 20 m above the highway when two purloined military aircraft JATO (Jet-Assisted- Take-Off) bottles were attached, ignited and propelled his vehicle to over 500 km/h down a highway to a slight rise where it became airborne until the cliff intervened.

One 1997 Darwin Award nominee is from Connecticut where many high voltage electricity transmission lines crisscross the state. These are held up by transmission towers of various configurations. Adventurous folks sometimes climb the towers in order to enjoy the view and the night air. Most stay away from the wires, and when they get bored, come back down.

This '97 Darwin Nominee was apparently forlorn after a recent spat with his girlfriend and, thinking he needed some fresh air to clear his head, decided to climb a tower. He stopped for a 6 pack of his favorite malt beverage to help focus his thoughts, went to a transmission tower south of Hartford CT, next to I-91, and climbed it.

Public Service CT employees later pieced the story together. The man apparently sat there 20 m above the highway, drank his beer and consoled his bruised ego. After 5 beers, he needed to do what people often need to do after 5 beers. It being such a long climb down, he unzipped and did his business right there off the tower.

Electricity is a funny thing. One doesn't need to touch a wire in order to get shocked. Depending on conditions, 115,000 volt lines, like those supported by the tower, could shock a person as far away as 2 m. When the man "whizzed" near the conductor (wire), the electricity arced to his electrolyte "stream" (urine is an excellent conductor of electricity), traveled up to his private parts, and blew him off the tower.

The power company operators noted a momentary outage on this transmission line and sent a crew to see what had caused it. When they got to the base of the tower, they found 5 empty beer cans, a very dead person, his trouser fly down, and what was left of his private parts smoking. A single unopened beer can was left on top of the tower.

So what's the relation between this and SD...

Nothing.

FineCol: Thanks for the address. I'll put a mixed (old & new) tape together and send it off in the next week. Honest! Look forward to hearing yours.

Toodles,

Stiff

6:05 outside the stadium. Where can I see Steely Dan in California next?

Yo!

Stiff: Buffing the happy lamp, huh? Like it!

Everyone else: I see that you are still arguing about the meaning of Gaucho. Well, I have the album sleeve in front of me, and it's more obvious than a very obvious thing. It's a gay love triangle. Nothing more, nothing less. Except...

'Boy you can't miss" is something you could say to a girl too. E.g., "Boy, you really piss me off!"

And when he turns round and says "You're a nasty schoolboy with no place to go, try again tomorrow" he could well be saying it to the Gaucho himself, huh?

So we'll never really know for sure, and I don't think Don and Walt really give a shit anyway.

As for the secret hidden meaning of Rose Darling? Lesbianism? Pah! It's some horny little adolescent copping a bit of nooky while the chaperone to the object of his desires sleeps nearby.

Any takers?

T

Mr. Murtha: Thanks for the NYC tips. However, as I previously mentioned, both of those backup singers were less than mediocre, IMHO. Therefore, I wouldn't go to see either one of them if they were playing at the local pub. As a matter of fact, if the Dan use them next time, you can count me out, I'd rather sit at home and listen to the albums. If you do go, I would be curious to hear if she's as bad on her own as she was on Hey 19. Sorry guys.

MA: OUCH!! The right hand rule for electric fields in action! Since he held it, the current must have fibrillated his heart on immediately....and I thought the Arizona chap was the Rocket Man.

MAN ALONE: Very interesting, and all that happened in USA?

C

Shit, I forgot to (actually I was so impressed by Teresaīs latest post, she just jerked off those pseudointellectual gauchoanalysers with a very smooth, but not mellow, lowprofile but not infirm, well... she did a great jobb, there are lots of style and class that girl, has).

Clas

i thought a root beer float was a black cow and a coke float was a brown cow.... but now that i think about it, maybe i'm just delusional. oh well...

amanda

16 may there were an interesting post (from some woman I used to know?) refering to my Gauchoanalys. I think she is right.

I want to say thanks for all friendly and warm feedback I got on email for my analys on "Do You Know the Way To San José";

Thanks Greta (Garbo), Bob (Hope), Pamela (Anderson), Ricki (Lake), Art (Garfunkel), Jojje (Wadenius), Paul (McCharmley), Bernard (Purdie), Glenn (Frey), Jackson (Browne), David (Letterman), Kurt (Vonnegut), Alfred (Nobel), Bert (Bacharach), Joey (Tempest), Per (Gessle), Marie (Fredriksson), Bjorn (Borg), Mats (Wilander), Palle (Danielsson), Rock (Olga), Loket and many others. Emails shall be with you soon.

TERESA; Du har ett vackert namn du vackra flicka. I guess your parents were very happy when they gave you that wonderful name. I think you are very pretty too, and sharp. En esta hora, excactamento, un kvinno esta en la highwitas de la calle...

later, El Cornudo

As a child, oh those many years ago, we would order something called a "Purple Cow" at our local confectionary store/soda fountain. This was root beer w/vanilla ice cream. I do not believe there is any such drink as a "Black Cow".

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

No more Black Cow-shit, please.

Black Cow is an old russian drink, the old Tsar and Rasputin used to enjoy it back in 1907. The ingreds are vodka and red cowberry (theirfor COW). So. Enough of Black Cow.

C

But what made it black?

First things first: David--There is no way adequately to console you on your loss. Please accept my long-distance, electronically attenuated sorrow for your loss, and stick with us.

Ruby--dope dream!! Maybe he was deconstructing his lyrics for you--after all, we all sit around this GB looking for the meaning of life in them! In a safe, quiet place, in a way we've all fantasized about communicating w/ him/them, eh? BTW, this wasn't a dream, but when I first read Gibson's "Neuromancer," unbidden into my mind came the visual picture of Case as--you guessed it, Fagen.

Roy, El Soup, et al.: FANTASTIC! I love this interp of "Rose Darling!" I get a big grin on hearing it now; I always heard it as (another) drug reference--Snake Mary completely on the nod, not dead as someone once suggested...the spore on the wind as the whiff of the El Supremo--but maybe it IS pheromones. Also check out Elvis Costello's "Mystery Dance."

BTW, Roy--I think Freud's approach wasn't so much the chunk-of-randomly-accessed-hard-drive one as the basement-full-of-snakes-slithering-up-through-the-vents one. BTW, I think the "Caves" imagery is more back-to-the-womb than uh, what you said. It's just a little further up. And "Fire"--I thought that was a ref to yeast vaginitis--now wait! I'm a DOCTOR! That's a MEDICAL reference! You have to have had it to know! Anyway, please don't swear off the smarm & the snigger--you're a master. (rabbit--no, I'm not developing a hyphen fetish)

Re "Gaucho"--ROCK, great to hear you in calm discourse. I'm w/ Teresa et al.-- think it's a gay love triangle, with the upscale narrator mortified by this gaudy hanger-on--he's trying to make a good impression on some heavy rollers & does NOT want to be associated with this stereotype a la Village People. But he still loves the other guy--"the studs that match your eyes"....I think "elevator shoes" is his nasty way of describing the guy's cowboy boots. BTW, Gaucho will tell us that he doesn't come from Rio but from Argentina (tho' it doesn't fit the music as well).

Joe M.--fan yourself, son! Way to get hot & bothered!

Finally--Hombre solo: shouldn't it be "Shock the Monkey?" And let us remember--there is no such thing as a bogus persona; all of these are little frightened pieces of ourselves trying to wriggle out of the basement into a nice safe elevator.

Love, mine.

Oleander: What kind of Doctor are you (besides short, left-handed, multi-lingual, literate, and musical)?

'Basement full of snakes' is much better metaphorical territory than 'hard drive sectors' maybe I'll change my opinion about dreams in order to exploit that source of lyricism.

I'll check out "Mystery Dance" if you check out Cindy Lauper's "She Bop"---At the end of the video, they're all walking around with white canes and dark glasses as if they've finally taken self gratification too far.

"Shock the Monkey" is Peter Gabriel (or Robert Palmer, I always get those two statues mixed up). "Spank the Monkey" is Beevis & Butthead. I prefer B&B.

RS

"...I get hungry, like a child..."

maj.

JON: A Black Cow was black because it was so damn dirty in Russia before the revolution.

Hell, when I walked down to my job this morning with my Great Dane, Pompe (Pompe is also a Great Dan-fan) we met a nice girl. She looked at me, smiled and said - Oh, that was a big one! - Thanks mam, I replied, does that show, outside me pants?

OLEANDER: Du har ett vackert namn du vackra flicka. I guess your parents were very happy when they gave you that wonderful name. I think you are very pretty too, and sharp. En esta hora, exactamento, un kvinno esta en la highwitas de la calle...

later, El Cornudo

CLAS: As we all recall from high school history, Catherine the Great of Russia acquired East Belorussia in the Polish partition of 1772. This would seem to indicate that the White Russian pre-dated the Black Cow by some 130 years. Just how long did you think you could keep THAT from us?

Please, dear God, a new albumŠ

Roy.Scam & Oleander: Thanks for your takes the dream. Amazing how much you can learn from these REMnants. What I really want to know now is why it wasn't WB in there. Could it be that he scares me just a little?

amanda: My son taped Ben Folds Five for me last week. I like it! He reminds me of Todd Rundgren sometimes.

To Walter: Upon reading Countdown to Infamy, I remembered that one should always add the words "in bed" to all fortunes found inside of a cookie. Does that help, at all?

RubyBaby

History is one of my short suits, but my dad used to make us floats with vanilla ice cream and Hires root beer, and called them Black Cows.

Roy, my man--you've tapped into my id again--I've worn a groove in that Cyndi Lauper tune over the years. Going south, indeed. Now look, I LIKE Peter Gabriel, especially his videos & performance art (e.g., "Shaking the Tree" concert video). I thought his tune fit the hi-tension story. B&B just cause me high nausea--is this a guy thing? BTW, free-to-bet--good, good. I did think that WB was sincere. PS, I'm a family doctor, for real, BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW TOO MUCH!

Dr. Moo--thanks for the quiz. What DID Zappa say? Re "Chain Lightning"--I think I read, in the Sweet book &/or "Metal Leg" that Becker said no one would ever touch it, & that it turned out that it is indeed about two guys at a Fascist rally, as has been suggested. And that DF had thought about adding "Forty years later..." before the second verse. "Don't bother to understand/Don't trouble the little man..." Makes sense; Hitler & Mussolini weren't very tall--does this also figure somehow into the Napoleon angle? I always thought it was two worshipful jazz fans who saw their idol up close & then returned to relive the experience.

Maj--have you checked out the "Psychological profile of DF" in "Metal Leg" #13? PS, "I was the dandy/Of Gamma Chi/Sweet things from Boston/So young and willing/Moved down to Scarsdale..."

Eddman--thanks again. I agree--no throwaways.

Rudy--it's too late, but "Aja" "Home at Last," and of course "My Old School."

Pete F--many kudos to and abject admiration for you for all the pix, sound bites, "Metal Leg" archives, etc., etc., ad nauseam. I've spent many a sneaky hour with them when I was supposed to be doing something useful. BTW, that Bob T. is kind of cute.

Clas--geddaddahere, you say that to all the girls.

Ruby B--dream on, girl. O--stop rambling on.

I dare say that I am the quintissential (I hope I spelled that correctly.) "Tonight when I chase the dragon, the water will change to chery wine...." Does anyone know what this is in reference to? I do.

I dare say that I am the quintissential (I hope I spelled that correctly.) "Tonight when I chase the dragon, the water will change to chery wine...." Does anyone know what this is in reference to? I do.

Has anyone out there ever noticed a connection between WB & DF and Spalding Gray? Or is it some connection I have concocted in my own mind?

Elijah: "Tonight when I chase the dragon..." This is about the consumption of drugs (heroin).

Libations, sensations that stagger the mind...

m.e.

"...While the music played he worked by candlelight..."

Pehhhhg: How's that for brief?

maj.

RubyBaby: here's my shot at the dream... this is a "no holds barred" analysis because I really don't know ya... and I don't know the first thing about dreams... i.e. it's all guesswork... so here goes:

stuck in an elevator with DF = you'd like to visit with one of your musical idols (or anybody you might admire) but you feel too inadequate to be in his presence... he can't leave you even if he wants to...

putting on lipstick = primping = improving one's appearance = inadequate appearance without primping... DF knows this and tries to tell you that you don't need to primp...

"this is what women do when we get bored" = thinking quick & a willingness to take a stand without regard to the validity of the argument = a need to think before speaking

he was explaining... about the meaning of life = you have no clue regarding the meaning of life & the telephone was already ringing... your dream-control-center was defaulting to the quickest way out of the session. That insidious little monster in control of your DCC decided to play with you during that last moment of sleep...

I'm sure there is a mechanism in our dream-control-center that can direct the dream to an ending (that occurs over a few milli-seconds) that always causes the dreamer wanting more... just when things were getting good! I can never remember a dream that came to an ending other than those that immediately preceeded waking up... and those are invariably interrupted! Except for deja vu's... just my 2 cents worth... Later -- Doc

chase the dragon...the water will change to cherry wine

this is heroin the liquid heroin is mixing with blood

Damn! Didn't dine on Dad-Gum Dandom Digest in Decades...delivery?

m.e.

Damn! Didn't dine on Dad-Gum Dandom Digest in Decades...delivery?

m.e.

check out the final guitar solo on your gold teeth 1. Then listen to guitar on kid chalemain get the conection?bla bla and rooo droppings mister kangaman.

Elijah - I had always thought that "The water may change to cherry wine" was reference to blood being pulled into a syringe prior to the injection of heroin, kinda like "Ruby will give you the SILVER key to open the RED door". More needle work. The phrase "Silver will turn to gold" may be a little more tricky. It could possibly be the actual inserting of a needle into a tan arm. Another interpretation has to do with the heating of heroin itself. The golden fire and the silver spoon. I really don't know for sure, but this song, whatever the meaning, is still one of my favorite Dan tunes.

"He may be laid out on the sofa, but he's smoking with the jack of speed"

El Sup

JON, damn it!

OLEANDER: No, itīs for you only. I am a one woman man.

TERESA: Hi! How are you? Do you see strange signs in my posts because my keyboard is set to swedish standard? Or do you see strange signs anyway?

I got a new clue on this Gaucho-song: the line: "try again tomorrow..." I think its there because it rhymes on "... I think you should know..."

In a couple of hours when I take a break, I will logg in and show you some chordrolers.

Mataxas Mutus, Clas

OK, PUT ON your Mimer so my posts will decoded right!

AND UNDER the eastern sky sometimes, some people use to smoke opium, the opie is roled to a little ball, "the mystical sphere", the sphere is put on tinfoil... well I donīt like to teach you kids to do drugs... but the little opieball is rolling around on the tinfoil while you kind of chase it to inhale the damn smoke! Chase the Dragon. Thatīs it.

Audi and in

God damnit! Itīs so lonely here. FINE COL, TEREZA, you live in UK, come on!

For you who are CURIOUS on the Dragon-stuff, check Once Upon A Time In America, the character that de Niro does is a little bit whacky and goes to the Chinese to take a long rest.

do be do be do, well well, I guess thereīs no way I can escape it anymore, got to work, audi

PS, BODACIOUS COWBELL: Du har ett vackert namn du vackra flicka. I guess your parents were very happy when they gave you that wonderful name. I think you are very pretty too, and sharp. En esta hora, exactamento, un kvinno esta en la highwitas de la calle...

later, El Cornudo

E.S./elijah: my understanding was that the (silver) aluminum foil takes on a gold appearance when heating the substance. Also, i think it's "Ruthie" will give you the silver key...

m.e.: mother Hoops! has been down at the jazzfest in N'awlins. don't know if he ever made it back to urbana.

kanga: kid who? never heard of that song.

As oleander mentioned there is a reference to Donald's psychological profile in Metal Leg, issue 13, July 1990, but this item is not very comprehensive and does not give this topic its deserved attention. There is no byline, either, and it doesn't appear to be a legitimate analysis. (An otherwise excellent job by JG and S. Kranz putting the ML index together, tho.)

I've always wondered whether any major dude = "any M.D." refers to a psychiatrist whose practice of analysis, I believe, requires such a designation? (Any thoughts here, Dr. Kelly?) And, if so, have the boys ever had personal experience with this, I've always wondered?

"you can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you..."

'dude.....a major thanks for the visit Sat. You were ssssssmokin'! (And you ran through Green Earrings pretty good, too. Finally...one I can't keep up with you on.) The impersonations were solid. Only next time we'll see if Denny's available for the soloing. What show was the AIA version taken from?

pehhg: thanks for the lyrical clarifications on Mobile Home...

"stuck inside..."

sorry--i screwed up the link. this is it (i hope).

oleander: if you think Bob T. is cute in that pic, you gotta check out his legs sometime... nice...

Oleander: You write so beautifully, that I am hesitant to disagree with you. I was very aware of those comments in Metal leg in which WB claimed that no one would be able to touch this, and that the line "40 years later" could be inserted between the two verses. Before I read that, the Nazi/Klan connection seemed to be the most obvious, perhaps as a follow-up to Pretzel Logic. Of course, realizing the nature of WB and DF, those comment could simply be meant to throw people like myself off track of obvious. Hitler's rallys during the 20's were small at first. The rallys never reached 100,000 until the 1930's after he took power. The Klan was on the decline then. I lived in North Carolina in the 1970's, so I can attest to that. This was before the skinhead movement of the late 70's and early 80's which permeated Europe as well as some of the US, and of course post-dated "Chain Lightning." It's possible two Klan-types took a "nostalgic" trip to Germany to "stand where he stood," but that seems like a reach to me - the "rednecks" that I knew growing up would never take a trip to Europe. One possibility could be a reference to the Presidential candidacy of George Wallace, infamous for trying to bar the door at the University of Alabama. Although I would be surprised WB and DF had this in mind, but a case could be made for a parallel between two Louisiana populists: Huey P. Long and Edwin Edwards. Huey P. Long was the poor cracker come political dynamo of the "30s who was Senator (he tried to force his will on FDR and almost won) and Governor. He was not a very tall, but a barrel-chested man who's right hand man was quite diminuitive (I can't recall his name). He helped himself to money, power, and women while trying to help the po' folks. Edwin Edwards was the Governor starting about 40 years later on and off for the next 25 years. He set up a massive and unweildy welfare state to help the po' folks while helping himself to oodles of $$, ultimate power, and girls. In Louisiana, the governor has powers simililar to most emporers or dictators. They set policy and have had the big stick (the line item veto) for many years. With a strong-willed and populist governor, the legislature is simply a group of his lackeys. Edwin Edwards once said that he couldn't lose a election "unless he was caught (in bed) with a dead girl or a live boy." Anyway, a good deal of the economic mess the state has been in can be attributed to him - hence Clas' comments about New Orleans. an aside: I believe that Bill C. modeled himself as a more savvy and politically correct Edwin Edwards. I've been privy to the Little Rock newspapers for 7 years as I have in-laws who retired up there. The national media has only picked up on about 1% of the @#@!@! that went down there. Many folks think that if it's not in the Wash Post of NY Times, it doesn't exist. Then again maybe as Americans we're better off with our head in the sand - don't you all know what kind of a man (couple) is in the White House? Case in point: the recent decision about China and the campaign contributions. Well, I better towel off here. Sorry about getting too political. BTW, I am a registered Democrat.

Sorry about the long post. The paragraphing disappeared as well a sentence:

line 7: ...the late 20's and early 30's...

line 7: before "The Klan... should be: "40 years later would be about 1970."

DR MU; I said I was lonely but this is ridiculous.

Dr. Mu--wow! opened up Pandora's Mu-box! Like I said, history's one of my short suits--thanx for the exposition. You're right, Huey casts a long shadow over the South (ha). I thought the guys were a theoretical pair in some, any, large fascist context--there are many historical choices in despotism, but the largest crowds I know of would have been in Europe in the 30's. Perhaps they lived there and didn't have to save their hard-earned cracker bucks to travel. I grew up in Arlington, Va., the home of George Lincoln Rockwell, then- figurehead of the American NazI Party, and saw him a number of times parading around, especially at civil rights rallies. I don't recall him leading more than a handful of fellow slimebags (usually zero). And the Klan, even in its heyday, did most of its work at night, under cover. Also, if you're talking late '30's, "40 years later" would be about '80. Incidentally, Where did you live in NC?

Elijah--quintessential what?

My understanding of chasing the dragon is per Clas. And oh! you guys break my heart: I didn't know about those other nasty images; I just thought that the opium would transmute this world of dross to sparkling beauty--wine, gold. Alas, my lost naivete.

PS, if I didn't thank enough/the right people for the ML archives, let me fall all over myself to do so. MIL GRACIAS AMIGOS!

Dr. MU: Very interesting, I had to print out your post, damn interesting. More like this. Yes.

The Man Who Misstook His Wife For A Hat

Ruby (the lipstick lizard): Ben Fold's Five reminded me of Todd Rundgren also. On songs like "Missing the War", he reminds me of Freddie Mercury (musically, of course, not in the 'Gaucho' sense). Perhaps Ben F is the secret love child of TR & FM.

Oleander: I do like Peter Gabriel's videos, especially the headless, dancing, plucked chickens. However, liking PG himself must be a gal thing. I also liked the duet he did with Kate Bush. (Hey Beevis, he said bush, heh, heh, heh, heh).

In the light of recent events, I think I've figured out another one of those cryptic Steely Dan references.-----Boston Rag= whoever's pitching for the Red Sox.

RS

Lucky: Could be... but I think that any major dude = a real good friend... BTW, please, I'm not a DR! "Doc" was bestowed upon me by a past guestbooker that recognized my initials were MD... Hell, I'm a land surveyor by day, musician (bass) by night...

Clas: right on with the dragon! That's what I've always heard... I figured water changing to wine meant it was good heroine...

RS, Oleander: I'm a Peter Gabriel fan too. Just love the spare, haunting sound of his 3rd self-titled release - the one with the melting face which contains "Biko" and "Games Without Frontiers." Robert Fripp's weird guitar and Phil C's "Big" Drum sound really work with the African rhythms.

"Hush, brother we cross the square" could refer to Jackson Square in N'awlins??? iNteresing to think about anyway. Unless Becker and Fagen are answering phones for Dionne Warwick's psychic network, the 2nd scene must be in 1975 or before...or maybe not.

We lived in Greenville, which was OK, but prefered Raleigh and points West. How about you?

Lucky - It's Ruthie. I'm glad I didn't start discussing The Nightfly or I might have said track 3 was "Ruthie Baby". :-)

El Sup

OLEANDER "My understanding of chasing the dragon is per Clas. And oh! you guys break my heart: I didn't know about those other nasty images; I just thought that the opium would transmute this world of dross to sparkling beauty--wine, gold. Alas, my lost naivete."

No, you got it right. Smoke opium and your life will be put in a golden frame, the water will change... unt so weiter.

As Freud once said: SOMETIMES A CIGAR IS JUST A CIGAR. Keep that in mind pseudoīs.

DR MU: Is Edwin Edward governor in Louisiana now? Maybe itīs the translation-thing but why do not like the President-couples?

Waiting C.

Oleander, thanks for the feedback, but I've noticed that a lot of browsers can't pick up the slideshows (or opening picture). If any of you have an opinion on whether I should continue the slideshows, email me, or post it here. Thanks.

Lucky Henry, don't take the psychological analysis too seriously. It was just one of many goofs that Bill and I put into Metal Leg. It was a computer program for psychological profiles, and of course all of the information about Donald was given by us. Actually, we should have done a profile on Steven Krantz. About a week after he did the ML index, he committed suicide.

John G, thanks for keying in all the old issues, you sure saved me a lot of work :-)

Oh, I almost forgot, the gorgeous Bob Tedde will be bringing his traveling circus, Rockola, back to the Big Apple. Three nights this time and back by popular demand, they'll be at Le Bar Bat June 12, 13, and 14.

Oleander. Et. Al.

Re: Chain Lightning. Fagen specificially said in an interview a couple years ago (NOT in Metal Leg or Sweet bio) that it was about two guys who attend a Nazi rally in Germany (1st Half of the Song) and then return to the site 40 years later (1975?) and trying to remain low key about their return as they get nostalgic about the glory days of the first rally (2nd half of the song) They left out the "40 years later" part in the midsection to keep people guessing.

R.

Oleander. Et. Al.

Re: Chain Lightning. Fagen specificially said in an interview a couple years ago (NOT in Metal Leg or Sweet bio) that it was about two guys who attend a Nazi rally in Germany (1st Half of the Song) and then return to the site 40 years later (1975?) and trying to remain low key about their return as they get nostalgic about the glory days of the first rally (2nd half of the song) They left out the "40 years later" part in the midsection to keep people guessing.

R.

Dr Mu: Chain Lightning and the Kingfish, a logical association that never ocurred to me. Interesting that I thought that song was about religion and everyone else said Fascism. There's some great musical/historical exposition of Huey Long (and crackers in general) in Randy Newman's 1974 album "Good Old Boys", including a song that Huey himself wrote. That album also has a song called "Back on My Feet Again" about an institutionalized paranoid, fantasizing, hallucinating, and wondering when he's going to be released. Sound like "Bad Sneakers"?

Oleander only: Did you ever go to the Glebe Theater, dance on the Milt Grant Show, drink Wilkins Coffee or National Bohemian Beer, play George Mason in football, subscribe to the Northern Virginia Sun, or thumb Lee Highway back to Annandale?

Time is indeed shaped like a pretzel, RS RS

Sorry I haven't posted for a while. Perhaps I should call this the month of May(hem), considering my workload lately. I've only had time to lurk, but thanks to all for sharing your assorted dream sequences, historical references and musical and lyrical analyses. One thing's for sure - boredom never seems to be a factor here!

Pete: I use Netscape Navigator 2.02 to view your slide shows (excellent work recently, BTW). The only variances appear to be the speed at which they download. The slower the modem, the longer they take, otherwise it all looks great from here.

To everyone who's Alive In America: Have a great Memorial Day Weekend - see you on the other side of no tomorrow!

Till then, Beautiful Survivor

I found it!

For those interested, you may purchase the "Complete Rock Family Trees" by Pete Frame from the "Internet Music Shop" (www.musicsales.co.uk) or by fax at (44) 1284 702592.

Gaucho Amigo (GA)

or

Gay Argentino (GA)

Yea, yea give it to MEEEEEEEEeeee. HARDERRRRrrr. Yessssss.

Anybody caught Sheryl Crow's song "A Change" ? Not a bad car radio shuffle, and notable in Dandom for the lyric:

"Chasin' dragons with plastic swords..."

HI GUYS!!

I LOVE THIS GUEST BOOK. I AM NEW TO THIS MUSIC BUT VERY EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEDIUM FOR INTERCHANGE OF IDEAS AND IDEALS.

I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I AKS SOME QUESTIONS!!!!

I WANT TO BUY THE "FLY BY NIGHT' ALBUM BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND IT IN ANY RECORD STORE. IS IT OUT OF PRINT??? WHERE CAN I FIND IT. ALSO, IS "AJA" A WAY TO SPELL "ASIA". ALSO, I THOUGHT STEELE DAN WAS THE NAME OF THE SINGER BUT THERE ARE NO CREDITS TO THAT PERSON, WHY IS THAT??

THANKS

ELIZABETH

Liz: Hi darling. I have some questions for you!!!!

What is your quotient or should I say, do you have one???. Where you always like this or was it the car accident???

I have an idea!!!!! Why don't you go back to the BARNEY guest book. OK?

Gaucho Lesbiano

Shut up Gaucho... let me take this...

ELIZABETH; Du har ett vackert namn du vackra flicka. I guess your parents were very happy when they gave you that wonderful name. I think you are very pretty too, and sharp. En esta hora, exactamento, un kvinno esta en la highwitas de la calle...

later, El Cornudo

So, am I going to be the first one to take Elizabeth seriously. Am I? Oh, sorry, that's the phone... gotta go.

Stiff

Liz,

Perhaps you have entered the wrong guestbook? While "Fly By Night" is a great album in its own way, you may be confused. Mr. Lee and his Canadian buddies put out that album in 2/75. I would try looking in the "R" section at your local music outlet. Also, to entice you even more to buy that album -- it went platinum in 12/93. Eighteen years of record-buying, stoning little teenagers can do that to an album.

Good luck in your search for that mystical grail. And BTW, there is a tale going around that you are the one who has been telling us that you are a genius?

MrLaPage

LIZ: STOP yelling, and ignore the animalz.

What's with the new Summer 97 link? what does it MEAN? this is fucking with my head.

Liz: "Asia!" is the sound that you make when you sneeze....

huh? wha? - Looks like this is how the Walt-dog is spending his summer...not touring...oh well, anybody still got the Genesis URL? I hear Phil has discovered #11 chords so maybe we can put a bag over his head and pretend 'til "SUMMER '98"...

Just aNother scared (scurvy) geek (brother), Marv

HI. not much to say except that olivia's about to cry. I've tried everything--only peg works. you should try it.

HI. not much to say except that olivia's about to cry. I've tried everything--only peg works. you should try it.

Roy--Man! Why do I feel as if the Past Life Police are closing in on me?!? 1) yes; 2) no, but I recited an Ogden Nash poem on Pick Temple when I was 6, and went on Cousin Cupcake with my Brownie troop; 3) yes to Wilkins, no to National Bo; 4) George Mason SUCKED! Wakefield RULED! But bottom line, I'm never going back...5) yes yes I said YES; 6) no, but I downed a few hot fudge sundaes at Gifford's. And: 1) did you see the Muppets debut on Esskay commercials? 2) WEAM, WPGC, or WOL? 3) Did you also think that the Annandale in the song was in NVa? And when did YOU realize that William & Mary indeed wouldn't do?

Yours in pretzelkismetspacetime (fade into Twilight Zone theme)....

Elizabeth--take it from me, your questions will be answered if you travel to the official Dan page, Under the Banyan Trees, & Pete Fogel's page first, and it may be a safer maiden voyage. See you soonish...

Dr. M--"So" is my favorite. Asheville, Diamond of the Blue Ridge, Land O Sky, Little Bit O Heaven, etc., etc.

Pete:

No, no, thank *you* (and before you, Brian) for the work you put into Metal Leg. I was happy to rekeyboard because it was such a good motherlode of material that Danfans would appreciate.

Cheers to all.

John Granatino
The Steely Dan Internet Resource

Shoot, Doc Kelly, I'm sounding more neurotic every time somebody examines my dream! I think you did a fine job, though, for someone who knows me not. One thing: I know I should think before I speak, sometimes, tis true. But I also have an aversion for becoming so uptight about it that all the fun is gone and I'm hung up on how people see me. I think that's more neurotic. Definitely more boring.

RoyScam & Oleander: I saw Tina Turner a couple nights ago. She was AWESOME!! But I'll tell you about Cindi Lauper, who opened for her. She was great! Her voice was so clear and strong and beautiful! And her musicians were outstanding. They rocked the house down. I love her bass player! She's * in the family way*, you know. She wore a black velvet maternity dress and bare feet. How sincere can you get? It was a great time!

eric: I have a really yummy blackberry cake recipe. E-mail me if you want it. It's one of those things that gets better each day...

RubyBaby

What's the when and where of a '97 tour? Anybody? Thanks Jim L.

What's the when and where of a '97 tour? Anybody? Thanks Jim L.

O-ff to Denver soon, close to the peaks which interrupt the sky. More angular than the soft, maternal ones by the Parkway in my expatriated home. Drove across Black Mountain during Christmas time and managed to stay on the road with my peripheral vision. Oh, and the trek on 64 through Sapphire Valley, it's been a long time. I've read there are more species of plantlife in those parts than anywhere in North America

RS: "...college men from LSU. Went in dumb, come out dumb, too. Walkin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes. Getting drunk at the barbecues..." No one can say more with less than Randy Newman and with great humor and cynicism.

Don's got the most inspiring voice ever. I'm sitting here going through this site, listening to "Alive in America" and what shows up at my door? My long waited "Citizen Steely Dan". I'm a new Danfan. I discovered it gettin' high to "Hey Nineteen" I've got so much research to do. Open for E-mail

Don's got the most inspiring voice ever. I'm sitting here going through this site, listening to "Alive in America" and what shows up at my door? My long waited "Citizen Steely Dan". I'm a new Danfan. I discovered it gettin' high to "Hey Nineteen" I've got so much research to do. Open for E-mail.

"East St. Louis Toodle-Sue"...

Ya gotta love that handle.

Edd

Big H'edd Cote - You're a genius!

from the big casino by the sea, I return, to find this page. Now let's turn that jungle music down and relax.

from the foot of mt. belzoni, I return, and there's this page. I must turn that jungle music down & relax

I see a lot of new faces...or maybe just old ones with new masks.

"...he will make your mugshots disappear..."

m.e.

I remember reading an SD interview a *long* time ago in Rolling Stone -- perhaps about the time Countdown to Ecstacy was released -- in which Fagen or Becker mentioned that one of their songs was about the Nazi putsch in Berlin. (Note: I don't think this was in reference to Chain Lightning, due to the date of the interview). In my memory, they are referring to a song on Can't Buy a Thrill. Anybody else remember this and/or have the answer? Thanks

Quick question - I know that the infamous tour rehersal '76 CD has already been discussed and exposed as imitation ("That's not dog" - Bonus respect for anyone that picks up on that contextual quote), but I was curious as too the outtakes that appear on there. I've heard there are 8 outtakes (5 from Katy and 3 from Gaucho, including The Second Arrangement). Are these by the cover band as well? Or are these actual Dan outtakes, ala The Katy Lied Sessions? Just curious because I would like a copy of the second arrangement on CD....

El Sup

P.S. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of Kulee Baba on CD? Has the "Gaucho Outtakes" ever been burned onto disc?

ES: Clouseau at the Chateau. BTW, the outtakes are real. However, I have no knowledge if they are available on CD format....*love* to have 'em on disk...anybody?

does anyone remember the rolling stone issue after John Lennon was shot where the writer is talking about Lennons apartment in the Dakotas and that WB lived above Mitch Miller in one of the units and kept pissing him off because he stayed up all night, day after day, playing the same riffs over and over? would appreciate knowing 1) what issue, mo and yr 2) what album would that have been WB was working on 3) did I really read this? I did have a slight head injury a few years ago. Gracias, tu gaucho.

Just went thru sorting out my CD collection, alot of mindless free time this fine holiday weekend, need a break from OSPF over Frame Relay, redistributing OSPF to EIGRP, VLSM, you know, the usual geek bullshit that pays the bills. The process took several hours and I had a chance to renew frendships with some great artists and CDs. (Stanley Clarke - School Days, Tim Weisberg/Dan Fogelberg - Twin Sons of Different Mothers, John Klemmer - Touch, etc., alot of Steve Gadd, Tom Scott, and other Dan friends) It kind of reminded me of college when one of my buddies bought a pound of Fine Columbian, and we took our time bagging the Ozs, smokin' at leisure with no fear of diminishing supply. An artist that I particularly enjoyed renewing aquaintances with, and who I've seen listed in the guestbook, was Rickie Lee Jones. Played the disk 3 times. Is there anyone else out there that realizes the earth stoped rotating, and time ceased to exist when she opened her mouth to sing?

Searchin' for a Tribe,

Techno Mo

Techno Mo - Yes indeed! If you haven't yet, get a copy of Dr. John's, "In A Sentimental Mood", on CD, Warner Bros, 1989. On the 1st track, Rickie Lee duets on "Makin Whoopee", -- a dandy! Adios amigo

Pete Fogel, did they misspell your name on the liner notes of the box set, or is that a different Pete Fogul?

Liz: Assuming you are for real. Ingnore the animals (especially CLAS). NIGHTFLY I believe is what you're talking about. Steely Dan is how it's pronounced. And before you ask, they named themselves after a DILDO. Big SHINY sucker.

Animals: LMAO

Regarding this Summer 97 thing. Dont'cha think Walter is getting a little too old for such exciting rides? Can his ticker still take it?

Peace, StAl

yessss yesssss yesss, my modem is on again, damn win95!

SORRY, Iīm late, was down on the countryside during the weekend. Me and me dog scared the shit out of the local peasants. Damn riff raff, no class.

My son phoned me from Stockholm and played some REAL good music, Count Basie. Big Band-music, it was one of the first recordings with a compressor, -57 I think. Shit, the band sounded like ONE living organism. Fuck.

Bob Tedde? Edd Cote?? Rockola??? Has the band changed leader????

Damn, Iīve been away for almost four days and scrolling down this page is a real drag today. Jamaican, Zeke, Gaucho, where the hell ARE you. Gimme a laugh.

Well, got to go, I will be back tomorrow. Viking, Clas

Greetings all. I was reading a review of a Hall & Oates album in an old issue of Rolling Stone, and they described one song as "Kind of like Steely Dan having a good time, if such a thing were possible." Isn't the boxed set one big happy good time?

OLEANDER; I have nothing to do right now so wonder, if itīs possible for you could guess which song this is:

"Ben so dia ze Pina Colada my friend

running īround the system with

a large sum of money to spend

di... di... dobep tiddleo (Guitar, E6, D6)"

Please be patient with the patient.

JAYBIRD: 2) Gaucho. 3) You probably read it Sweetīs "Reelinīin the years. But Becker didnīt live in the Dakota Apartment.

Tjillevippen, clas

Technicolor: There's a Ricki Lee/Walter B song on the Jerry Macguire soundtrack.-- That duet of "Makin' Whoopee" with Ricki Lee and Dr. John is also on the "Sleepless in Seattle" soundtrack.-- RLJ had a VH-1 type music video some years ago that was truly strange; thousands of hyroglyphic symbols flashing past.

Oleander: 1) I don't remember the Esskay ads, but I remember the Muppets in the Wilkins commercials, Jim Henson was sort of Gary-Larsen-like in the early days. 2) WPGC, but I still answer the phone "Listen to WEAM" in hopes of winning a prize. 3) Of course I thought "My Old School" was talking about Annandale, Virginia. It's a much better choice than Annandale,NY for 3 reasons: *It's closer to William and Mary. **It's close to a lot of politicians(e.g:Gordon Liddy) and ***I have no lost true loves in Annandale, New York.

Ole: Did you ever see Capitol Caravan?---- And don't get me started on Pick Temple. That no-calling , bread sucking, cowboy. There's a Sheriff's star in the Book of Liars by his name.

Ruby: Cindy L. barefoot and pregnant? A sight to put a crack in a southern boy's heart.-- Check her out in "Vibes" w/Jeff Goldblum.

Dr. Mu: Who took on the Standard Oil men and whipped their ass, just like he promised he'd do?

Toodle-Sue: Boss name. If these jaded, world-weary Danophiles don't smile at that handle, then they're too damned ironic for their own good.

RS

RubyBaby: Although I couldn't say it at the time I was simply poking you in the ribs with my dream review... If you'd been watching me type the review then you'd have known that I was "tormenting/teasing" you with a grin on my face... "Be kind" - c'mon, you were asking for it! Later - Doc

Hey Clas, you're bored...but never boring. Here's something funny, to me. We were just hanging out, jammin on some tunes Friday nite, and we did Deacon Blues. Man, us singers really sounded just like three girls. We taped it just to make sure it wasn't only the sound in our heads that we were hearing. I sang the high part, givin' it the girliest I possibly could. ...aa-aa-aa-aa-aahhh.....call me dea*con* blues....

Clas: No use in running īround the system, Stomp the Bastard! (Why do I suddenly feel like I've just made contact with an alien being?!?)

StAl: Nice reachout to Liz, if indeed she's still using her Aunt's email. You know, her questions are akin to a 11 year old Catholic girl walking on to the set of an XXX-rated video shoot and asking "What are you 2 doin', wrestling?"

Jaybird and Roy.Scam : Thanks for the info on Rickie. I now complete the TCP 3 way handshake indicating Connection-Oriented communication.

RubyBaby: "poking you in the ribs" does nothing for me. I still miss your warmth.

Has anyone ever heard of rubbing vinegar on a bad sunburn, or was that just another sick example of my mother using operant conditioning to keep me unblemished?

No mo', no mo'

Techno Mo

JAMAICAN; Thatīs sounds funny, I wish I could here it! Send me the tape, man! Send me the tape!

TECHNICOLOR SCOOTERHOME; Oh yes, I donīt have that shit in MY system, 2:nd, this ques was for Ole Ander. (sounds like a danish name, Ole Ander, har du den lille? Tre fjers!)

3:d, "Why do I suddenly feel like I've just made contact with an alien being?!?":

Maybe because you have never been abroad before, try next vacation to broader your views and get out of your country. Try Alaska or Hawaii.

Viva Martin Sheen!

Viva Jackson Browne!

Viva Nicaragua!

Viva Count Basie!

Viva dr. Ruth!

And now, I am going to show you some COOL CHORDCHANGES. Kind of steelylike but are not from any special song. It is just the principalcause:

/ E6 Dmaj9 / C#m7 C7-5 / ( E-tune on top all way ) / Dmaj7 G#7 / Cmaj7 F#7 / A/B /

ROCK, did you get that, Golden Shower Boy?

All Time High, Clas

Techno Mo': My dad always thought vinegar was the BEST thing for sunburn, but I attribute it to some of the sick WWII guy myths that their mothers may have imparted on their frightened little sons.

It always hurt me....

I dunno, go away for a few days and look what happens... Erotic dreams, slanging matches and the great smack debate... Glad to be back!

Stiff: Our demo's going a bit slower than originally intended due to illness (our rhythm guitar's got ME or CFS as the USA knows it). We're just cruising along being supportive and getting him over a nasty bout of the flu. He's a friend so well worth the wait. I promise to forward a copy in the next couple of weeks though!

Elijah: Water turning to wine in a heroin context is where the needle finds the vein, and sucks some blood into the syringe to ensure you've caught a vein thus ensuing maximum buzz factor. Have you not seen Trainspotting yet? Shame on you.

Clas: Thanks for softening the cover band jibe for my sake, but we actually have a number of originals, too. The cover band pays for just such vanities as well as justifying the cost of our instruments. I am ashamed to admit that I was recently invited to join a Spice Girls cover band in the role of Geri (you know the one, aka Slutty Spice, I think). "Gob-smacked" comes close, but still doesn't quite do my reaction justice. Mortified that this person, whom I believed knew at least something of what I am all about, would even offer such a thing. Quick profit off the backs of others has never appealed to me and further I lost someone I thought was a friend.

Dan-Power, y'all... (space)

Clas--sounds like "Bad Stelazine."

St. Al--nice to hear from you dude! I've seen photos of Becker with bemused smiles before, but never one with such undisguised glee--or is it stark terror? I'm afraid my reaction would be the latter--all glued over with various oral eruptions (and I don't mean words).

TechMo--Rickie Lee is stupendous. With SD, the Doobies, Fela, Coltrane, Rahsaan, and Betty Carter, she helped me survive med school. Anybody who brags about having her girdle on tight---About 3-4 years ago, she performed here and was as swoony as ever. BTW--I can't find the vinegar thing in my emergency treatment textbook. Down here, though, we do things like put Clorox on poison ivy and tobacco juice on beestings, so I'll put it in my armamentarium.

Dr Moo--welcome back.

Toodles--too hip. A Hello Kitty for you!

My homeRoy--Jerry G on PGC for sure. But I listened to WOL a lot too--"coming to you from Chocolate City with the vanilla suburbs." I can't remember Capitol Caravan--was that the black dance show, out of Baltimore I think, that barely came in but was much hipper than Milt Grant (shake a tail feather!)?

Brother Clas:

Interesting note on the sexual harrassment suit against our President. Apparently the "distinguishing characteristics" on his genital area happens to be a tatoo of the world-famous Sweedish porn-star Seka. I know that boy Klinton spent some time hiding from the draft in Europe but I never knew he made it over to your homeland.

R.O.C.K.

P.S. You can check out the full text of the lawsuit at:

full text of paula jones lawsuit

TechMo: Amazingly, my Mom had been sold that vinegar-on-sunburn remedy and convinced me to try it (once). I think that idea was originated by the guy in "Marathon Man" who kept saying "Is it safe?"

Oleander: Capitol Caravan was a local D.C. area jazz television show. I can't remember the names of any of the guests cause I was just a kid and a vanilla vanilla suburbanite, but I was stunned at how cool it was.--- D.C. was great; when I was 10, I could walk from the W Monument to Griffith Stadium alone and not be killed even once.

Viva Gifford's, RS

HI GUYS!!!

I HAVE DECIDED TO USE THE AKA JOSIE, KINDA LIKE SOME OF YOU GUYS THAT DONT USE YOUR REAL NAMES BUT INSTEAD USE A NAME FROM AN ALBUM OR A SONG OR FROM SOME LIRICS OR SOMETHING. SO I AM CHOOSING 'JOSIE' SINCE IT SEEMS NOBODY IS USING IT AND ALSO BECAUSE I LOVE TO PLAY SCRABBLE

I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT YOU SAY. IT IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED AND EVEN THOUGH I READ SOME PARTS OVER AND OVER I CANT MAKE ANY SENSE OF IT. KINDA LIKE SOME OF THE LIRICS, AND I HAVENT GOTTEN ANY REPLY TO MY QUESTIONS.

I DID HOWEVER FING THE SONG I WAS LOOKING FOR "NIGHT BY NIGHT" (SORRY!!!!!) I REALLY LOVE THIS SONG, IT MAKES ME THINK OF HOW HOPELESS OR EXISTANCE IS AND WHY EVERYONE NEEDS MORE MONEY (INCLUDING ME!!!!)

NOW SERIOUSLY, DOES ANYONE NOW WHERE THE NAME STEELY DAN COMES FROM. (PLEASE NO FILTHY STUFF, I MIGHT BE YOUNG BUT I DO KNOW WHAT A DILDO IS) SHOW SOME REAL AMERICAN VALUES

JOSIE IS HOME

ummm... oh, never mind...actually they're named after a steel roller coaster formerly known as "The Whip". It moved back and forth very rapidly, and vibrated a lot.

Rickie Lee is going to be in Philly in a couple of weeks--at the Trocadero, I think. If anyone's interested I'll get the details. Last time I saw her on TV she looked really strung out, but I'm sure she's still worth checking out.

Will someone PLEASE start the projection machine?!

Josie (aka Liz): sorry dear... there is already a Josie here, just not lately... while I could carry on the steel roller coaster story, young as you may or may not be (it's a relative, y'know)... dildo is correct!!!

the Countdown continues. Cleveland, anyone?

Hello Steely Dan Fans!

At night I hide from the madman I'm longing to be- But it all comes out on the inside-eventually........

Boy-Can I relate.

To The Fool: Will Sheryl Crow & Joan Osborne sing backup with them? And will Slash join in on the "Reelin' In The Years" guitar solo?

Do you remember when were discussed the metric system contra inches and miles and such things? Last nightt when I couldnīt sleep I was thinking of such stuff; why do they, in US, have their own rules about dots and inches and so on. Then it came to me mind that, early in the dawn actually, USA MUST have their own system! I mean, how thell would it sound if Jonny Cash sang:

"San Quentin I hate every centimeter of you..." or:

"San Quentin I hate every decimeter of you..."? Wouldnīt sound good would it?

OLEANDER: Damn right! You are a clever woman. Sharp. And good looking too I guess. And you have a beautiful name. I guess your parents were very happy when they gave you that name. En esta hora, excactamento...

FINE COL; Geri, Slutty Spice? I have never seen or heard anything from that fabricated band. I am glad to hear that you have integrety, thatīs not so usuall in show biz. Right on girl! And I have nothing against coverband in generall. And what I understand I have been barking up the wrong tree, Edd Tedde is not the leader of Rockolga, Bob eh, Bob eh, Bob COTE is. Well, who cares? Tell me Fine Col, is Steely popular in GB? (Explain to me, GOB SMACKED is what?)

ROCK: Thanks for the link, very interesting to read. What do average US-people think of this, true or false, or what?

Help me, I have just been at the Spice Girls HomePage! I had to take a look at Geri. She is a blond.

Basil

FineCol: Sorry to hear about your guitarist. I'm still trying to find a selection of songs that don't make me sound like a ...um... metal dildo. I had a friend who had ME but is totally recovered now.

Liz/Josie2: Yes indeed, Steely Dan are named after a man (called Dan) who was such a strong and reliable person his friends all called him Steely. And I am called Stiff because of my neck problems.

Stiff

Clas: Er, Gob-smacked... Gob = mouth Hence literal translation would be "mouth smacked," but can mean anything generally shocking, etc., usually distastefully shocking. Teresa and Stiff'll back me up on a more concise definition.

Yes, Clas, Steely is popular here in London. More culty than popular per se - especially amongst the more aurally discerning.

Stiff: Thanks for the well wishes and hey, we'll swap them tapes one of these days!

Robben Ford's here in July (19th, I think) and Lee Ritenour's here at the Jazz Cafe on 2nd July. Quite liked the Larry & Lee CD (a touch tame, however) but loathed Larry's recent The Gift. Why oh why has my beloved Larry gone all elevator-y all of a sudden? And what is this truly terrible trend towards (watch that alliteration!) clean living?

I'm trading in this ten cent life for another one... FineCol

Tech-Mo: Apropos vinegar & sunburns, Granma's cure was vinegar on a sun burn. Since we visited her in Miami, Fla we reckoned she ought know. To this day I cannot bear the smell of vinegar. It is popular to put salt & vinegar on french fries on this side of the beeg agua. But that's not nearly as bad as mayo on french fries like the Dutch. Truly heaveworthy.

RoyScam may be interested to know that Daddy's cure for red ant bites was, in fact urine - - thus piss ants?

East St Louis, y'all! FineCol

I believe vinegar (apple cider vinegar in particular is the proper one to use for sunburn) contains malic acid, which aids in healing skin.

Edd

FineCol: Your definition of gob smacked was right on the button. Do you (or Teresa) ever get down to Oxford. I'll warn you of upcoming gigs if so (good jazz and blues scene here).

Stiff '...over the hill and on into the next meadow...'

TechnoMH: Hi! The only Rikki LJ I have is the Makin'Whoopee duet w/ Dr.John from the Sleepless in Seatle Soundtrack. She is magnificent. I'd like to get a RLJ cd. Do you have any suggestions? And please don't worry - no amount of rib-poking will ever cause the warm thing inside to die out IF the warm thing is REAL.

Doc Kelly: I knew after I wrote Please be kind that I had kind of put out a small contract on myself. It wasn't my intention, but see what I mean about think before I speak? BTW, you have a really nice smile.

Since it's graduation time, does anyone remember Professor Kool? The UofMd grads used to dress up like Prof Kool...

Staying the heck out of the sun, RubyBaby

FineCol: The secret to your Daddy's cure is to urinate on the red ants before they bite you.

Does anyone know the status of Rick Danko (of The Band). I read that he's in jail in Tokyo for possession. If he's not out by June 24th, when I plan to see them in concert, I'm sending Paul McCartney's lawyer over there to get him.

Geriatric Rock & Roll note: The Pinball Wizard and the man who used to Run Through the Jungle both turned 52 this past week.

RS

Brother Clas:

Re: The Spice Girls Home Page. What's the address? Give us a link. Don't be holding out on us brother.

R.O.C.K.

(hoping Dylan pulls through)

Pete: After reading the info. on Steven Krantz, I'm hesitant to proceed any further with a legitimate personality profile of W+D.

A couple of things Walter:

I've been listening alot to Whack in order to isolate concepts on the solo stuff that seem to have appeared in earlier Steely Dan works. This, of course, is occuring as part of the above mentioned, now doomed, profile into the dark red depths of no return. (I'm gonna be a dead man).

It's a thorny task because nothing is clearly stated and, as Gaucho has reminded us, there are many interpretations to lyrics (although the song Gaucho is one of the few exceptions). Furthermore, just because Walter uses the word "demon" in Whack, that doesn't empirically indicate that he was the main pen behind "Any Major Dude", although that is likely given the fact that most of Whack, like AMDWTY, deals with the narrator's difficult interpersonal relationships.

So I've been listening to Whack, straight-up, random-shuffle, and repeat-mode, and I'm really grooving to a few things. The vocal delivery- very cool timing. For anyone who sings, tell me, is there anything unusual about his vocal delivery. It seems so funky-laid-back. Also, the rhythm and bass of "Hard Up Case" is outstanding. If I could minimize the drum synth in the intro somehow, I would use it as the official "theme music" of my public affairs radio program 'cause I'm getting tired of New Frontier.

Final Whack: An elderly lady was in the passenger seat of my car yesterday and the Whack CD cover was on the seat and caught her attention. Imagine, in quivering Hepburn-like old lady voice, her reading the song titles: "Down In the Bottom, Junkie Girl, hmmmmm." She stopped there. Surf &/or Die musta been too much.

"...where does a guy like me fit in..."

maj.

Liz--Josie I may have a bone to pick with you, but that's between y'all. Do me a favor--turn off your caps lock. I might then confuse you with rabbit, but I'm getting a headache from your posts. Really, the official Dan page and Under the Banyan Trees (to repeat myself) will make you a happy lower-case person if you check them out.

Doc K--shame on you for backing off your dream riff! It was good & you know it!

Fine Col--reminds me of maple syrup on French fries in "Little Kawai," but truly cringemaking.

ROCK--excuse my asking--pull through from WHAT? You're scaring me.

From the land o suspended disbelief---

Oleander: Dylan is hospitalized with a potentially fatal infection in his chest (the sac surrounding his heart).

Oleander: Apparently Mr. Dylan is suffering from a potentially life-threatening condition known as histoplasmosis, which is a swelling of the sack surrounding the heart.

So while you may not need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows, it probably doesn't hurt to know a good cardiologist.

Just in case anybody's interested, I have a post from a harp mailing written by Ken Deifik, a long-time session harmonica player living in L.A. - some interesting stuff, he's responding to somebody's post regarding Dan CD vs. vinyl, and relates a few stories. Too long to post here, but if you want the read, drop me an email and I'll send it directly.

some folks do all three, mW

Oleander: OK... I consider my wrists have just been whacked... I try to be nice now and then... when I looked back at my review I guess I suffered one of those "major dude" moments... oh well, that's enough of the couch for today...

Hi,

Can someboby please tell me how to include links in this text. I have some really cool links that I recently found and I want to share them with you. Thanks.

LIZ: I have a couple of things to say to you:

1.- You cannot be Josie. Josie is cool and smart. 2.- You cannot be Josie. Josie loves to "scrapple" not play "scrabble" you idiot. 3.- If you insist on shouting I will shove that keyboard of yours up your ass. OK? 4.- If that is not enough I will dance on you till your bones say when. 5.- Erase that fucking smile from your face. 6.- Go away.

Regards,

Gaucho (the real macho man)

I forgot to say.

The rest of you shut up because what I just told Liz is what everyone here wanted to tell her and only I had the guts.

GAUCHO- YOU MUST BE THE ANIMAL THEIR TALKING ABOUT. YOU DONT HURT ME AND IF YOU CARE TO KNOW, A AM COOL AND SMART AND CUTE (PEOPLE TELL ME I LOOK LIKE MELANIE GRIFFITH) AND I ALSO NOW KARATE SO I CAN KICK YOUR TOUSH TO TIMBUCKTOO IF I WANTED TO BUT I DONT WANT TO BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TAUGHT UNLIKE YOU AND I DONT NEED TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLE FEEL BAD TO FEEL GOOD MYSELF. YOU NEED TO FIND YOURSELF IN GOD AND YOU WILL FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT YOURSELF AND ABOUT THIS WORLD. TRUST ME, I KNOW.

STIFF- THANKS FOR THE INFO, SORRY ABOUT YOUR NECK, HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER TOMORROW AND RELAX (CHUCK CHUCK).

OOPS!!!! I FORGOT TO ASK MY QUESTION!!!

WHY DID "KATY LIED" ????????

JO

I have a horrible headache in my eye.

El Sup

Why did Katy lie? It was just the right thing to do...

josie/liz--please stop. you're hurting me....

To get off Liz:

Thanks all; I got the news....Sounds like Dylan has acute pulmonary histoplasmosis (APH). It's a fungal infection, interesting because 4 out of 5 of you all who live or have lived in the midwest or south central US have had histoplasma infections by the time you turned 18, caused by inhaling the tiny spores. You didn't know it; probably thought you had the flu or a bad cold. Symptoms include fever, dry cough, malaise, headache, muscle aches--sound familiar? Now all you people with flu will think you've got histo. It can also cause chest pain, which Dylan had, presumably because of swelling of the lymph nodes in your chest. You can get it by hanging around chicken coops (chicken poops), bat guano (Dr. No was at major risk), or starlings (homeRoy--remember the starling infestations in DC?)--but almost never from other people. Only about 5% of people with APH get what Dylan apparently has, pericarditis with a pericardial effusion--inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart with fluid collecting between the sac and the heart. The reason this condition is potentially life-threatening is that the sac is relatively unyielding, so increased pressure from the fluid collection pushes on and compresses the heart, which makes it beat more weakly. The worst-case scenario is obvious--the chambers of the heart collapse and can't beat, thus so do you. It's called pericardial tamponnade; I've only seen it a few times, and it's very scary. In histo, though, it isn't necessarily this bad, and sometimes it will resolve spontaneously after 1-3 months without antibiotics or surgery to relieve the pressure. Sounds like Dylan has required these antibiotics, which can be very toxic, especially to the liver. But since it's acute, not chronic or progressive histo (I'm assuming hopefully), he has a very good chance of pulling through quite well. There can be some long-term complications--but join with me in hoping for the best.

More than you ever wanted to know about fungus among us...

OK, sue me for having second thoughts:

Who's going to organize the letter-writing campaign to the Rock & Roll Hall O Fame for next year? We should also lobby for free admission for Guestbookers.

YGK--Red Wings in seven.

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FINE COL; Tanx. Do you really play that synth hanging around your shoulders, like Donald?

ROCK; I canīt put in a link here. Or anywhere. I always use the YAHOO.

STIFF; I thought you were called Stiff because you always had a woodden on.

LIZ/JOSIE: Donīt let Gaucho talk you down. Lean on me and you will be safe. Do you bye any chance have a picture of yourself you could send to me? I guess you are a goodlooking girl. Are you married, have a boyfriend?

Gaucho; Be nice, look at ROCK, he is nice.

Clas

FINALLY, A FEMALE CLAS.

I have reading this homepage guestBook now for a week or so. I think its time for me to introduce myself. My name is Erica, I am from Norway. I work as a croupier in a big hotel in Oslo, so I see a lot of money! I have being listen to Steely Dan for a year, and their music is very good I think. And their music dont get worse that Fagan sings so cute.I also saw some picturs on the backingsinger, they look very cute to me too. I can read that some of you like to be meen to other new people here. Liz, I hope you are doing fine. What records do youhave on steely dan? A friend to me, Sissela, gave me my first steelydan CD, Alive in america, its very swinging. Yes, I must sleep a hour now, it is daytime in oslo and i work tonight. So I must rest my old kazzazza before work. Bye Liz, Oleanders, Fine Col and others funny people, Erica.

Looks like there's some synchronicity in the air: the article below appeared in Sunday's LA Times. Do you suppose Hochman surfs steelydan.com?

================================

FUTURE FAME

By STEVE HOCHMAN

Copyright Los Angeles Times

A couple of other potential trouble spots loom in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's near future, the most immediate being the question of just who will be representing the Eagles and Steely Dan if they are inducted in their first year of eligibility next year, which seems pretty much a sure thing--alongside other likely inductees Paul Simon and Jackson Browne, and perhaps Lou Reed and Pete Townshend.

The Eagles were founded in the early '70s by Don Henley, Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner and Bernie Leadon, who were joined by Don Felder in 1974. But, after conflicts within the band, Leadon was replaced by Joe Walsh in '75 and Meisner was replaced by Timothy B. Schmit in '77. Differences apparently were never patched up, and neither Leadon nor Meisner was asked to join in the group's lucrative 1994 reunion.

Will all seven be inducted? And if so, will they all agree to join in a musical performance? Or will there be a repeat of the Creedence Clearwater Revival debacle of 1993, when Creedence members Stu Cook and Doug Clifford walked out after not being invited to perform with leader John Fogerty, who instead played the group's songs accompanied by Bruce Springsteen, Robbie Robertson and a house band?

In Steely Dan's case, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen are clearly the core members of the band, but such figures as guitarists Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and Denny Dias were important parts of the group's key, early hits.

Evans says that it's up to the individual inductees to work out performing arrangements, but that a determination of which members are to be inducted comes from the Hall's nominating committee.

"It's decided on a case-by-case basis," she says. "The committee examines each group and determines which members were most important to the body of work for which they are being inducted."

Did anyone see "Bright Lights, Big City" last nite on TNT network? I watched it just to hear the soundtrack - alot of it sounded very Kama'ie, especially the drum parts.....

What do you think?

later

fez

Clas: Being Stiff has more to do with how I used to feel when I first stood on stage to play bass. That was a long time ago so maybe I should be called 'loose' now. Nah!

Liz: Alright, own up! Who are you? If you aren't hoax/pseudo-personality you need to go to school RIGHT NOW and learn how to smell [crossed out] spell.

Meanwhile... it's a sunny day in Oxford and I'm going to skip lectures.

Love and other useful stuff... Stiff

OleO: Hey, now! I thought you were going to visit my fine city, and my fine, fine neighborhood in this merry month of May - ish, so I got all excited and stuff and now, you're not here - wazzup wid dat?

BTW Philly in 6! Lindros brings it home....

"LIZ/JOSIE: Donīt let Gaucho talk you down. Lean on me and you will be safe." What a crock! Clas, leave her the fuck alone!

OK, I'll bite and tempt: Ev'rybody now - how old is LIZ/JOSIE? My bet is 11, she knows how to type but is unskilled in IP, and probably the youngest DanFan here on the board. Any takers? A case of Molson is at stake....

ygk

I received an e-mail from my cousin who's doing relief work in Bosnia and he mentioned the following:

"... i brought almost all of steely dan's music here to sarajevo and i regret that they only made 7 or 8 records. what a shame. they didn't make any duds that i've heard."

Whether in the mind or in the environment, darkness is somehow a little more bearable with the Dan in hand.

nobody speaks for me, maj.

By the way, did anyone else notice that Dylan's new album which will be out in September is to be called "Time Out of Mind"? Hmmm.

Jung: I think Walter just doesn't want to be in the same photograph as Skunk Baxter. Skunk's probably been living his whole life, waiting for the day he'll get to play the opening riff of "Reelin'" or the end of "My Old School" with Steely Dan again, and mug for the camera and I think it's incumbent upon Walter to prevent that from ever happening. And it would deny the event the sick stench of nostalgia that ruins that event.

I vote that Donald & Walter attend the show, accept the award, then for the performance, make a statement that Steely Dan is still alive and perform some of their new songs at the event. Time to live for the present, not the past.

R.O.C.K.

P.S. If those guys really wanted to have some fun, tell Rolling Stone boy, Jan than D&W will not attend the event, unless Walter gets to perform "Fall of '92" for the closing!

This is a couple of weeks late, but anyway ...

Regarding chord voicings for 'Peg':

Yes, Edd had the correct right-hand chords, i.e BEG and ADG. Yes, the G *has* to be the top note for it to sound right, and yes playing BEG and BDG is very similar, but not the same. With Steely Dan, every note has to be right for it to sound correct.

One thing still bugs me though. This thing about the bass note. On the original, the bass goes C B - but only the first time the chords are played, i.e right after the intro section. For all repeats of the chords during the verse, the bass is C G (IV I). I'm just working from memory right now, but I'm pretty sure that the bass *and* the keyboard left hand play the same thing, i.e C B after the intro (leaving a slightly 'hanging' feeling) then C G for the entire verse. (then F C etc when it moves to the IV chord, you know what I mean here right?)

My final word: don't trust what you read in any of the SD songbooks. Some of these have songs in the wrong key. Even where they have the right keys, they put in some pretty awful guitar voicings for the chords. And some crazy mistakes in other parts. Check out what they write for the main 'Parker's Band' riff - oh dear!!!

Trust your ears, not a book.

Howard

whYGK; Oh, should I leave her the fuck alone? So you can do the tawking to her all by yourself? I think we should let JOSIE/LIZ decide that.

JOSIE/LIZ, do you wanne lean on me, here on the GBook? You can do that if you want to, but you must be at least 18.

ERICA; Ahhhh en norsk liten gal, välkommen till Steely Dan GuestBook. Det är jag och StAl som sköter om den här boken. But maybe I should talk to you in english, some people here get very pissed when they donīt understand a shit. (they donīt know that they donīt understand a shit anyway but...) By the way, you say you are a croupier. Is it true that most female croupiers are lesbian? I mean, no offence, I canīt imagine anything more beautiful than two goodlooking woman making love together, thatīs my absolutely number one fave. But why do you woman (in that sexual cathegory) often choose that croupier-job?

I worked in Oslo a couple of weeks last jun, very nice city, very nice people. Say hallo to Oslo will you?

Holy Weekend all of you! Take care, Clas

ROCK -- I vote with you all the way

Clas, are you one of the animals Liz var varnad för here on the Guest Book? Yes, I am a homosexuall, but that has nothing to do with my occupation. And that is non of your business, and keep your sexual fantasies for your self. I think you should go and fuck Gauchos ass. Could we PLEASE talk about music, Steely Dan and so?(if you hold out Josie/Liz, I will hold out) got to go to work,Erica

Here is that I am a liker of the Steely Dan and am reading from this real lately. In my side of Europe we have not many Steely Dan listens but I by them from other somewheres. My favorite is Bad Sneakers but not understanding why to wear a tuxedo when he is hot?-- I like Erika and Liz for they're talking English. And have the gaucho to abrupt one of those into his rude ass. (I am karate too and would not be kicked by your ass.) -- Clas, I believe you are pretty and then your Mother was proud and excellent to put the name on you. Please be with me and I will be careful for you. --Oleander is my wish for my own doctor. I am having all allergies from the many starlings in my boss home country. Please be gentle that I am new and you making fun on me.

Don't wait now for I am talking again another time, Yortek

St. Al: Been awhile, eh? Congrats on your new vessel. Please tell us all that you've decided NOT to pollute your poop-deck with the retchedly repellent sounds of the "music" of Jimmy Buffett... People who own boats seem to love that shit.

RE: Steely Dan potentially reforming at next year's Hall of Fame - You could get Skunk, you could get Denny and Mike, but it just wouldn't be the same without Jerome A. I rest my case.

After seeing the LA Times Rock Hall of Fame article reprinted above, I couldn't help but think of the show I saw last Friday at House of Blues on the Sunset Strip. John Fogerty played a generous 2 hour plus set, performing about 16 or 17 Creedence tunes. Never been a huge fan, but something told me I should see this show. He was EXCELLENT. The guy is 52, still has his famous voice intact and plays a worthy lead guitar (within the confines of "swampy" blues-rock). By the way, Saul Zaentz was not in attendence. If you get the chance, see John Fogerty this year - even if you're not a huge Creedence fan. You won't forget this show.

Greetings to:

Tomas Broberg: A nice website and overseas Steely comrade

mWhirrled: We still on for OCT 18? Christ - it's still almost 5 months away !!

HEY 19 (or is it HEY 20, now?)

ERICA, I THINK THAT WAS SWEET OF YOU TO NAME MY NAME IN YOUR POST I AM GOING TO HOLD OUT HERE, I LOVE STEELYDAN TOO MUCH TO QUIT BECAUSE SOME MEN IS MEAN. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SEX YOU BELONG TO, EVERYBODY IS EQUAL. BUT I DONT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE LIKE ROCK TALK DIRT ABOUT USA PRESIDENT. HOW CAN A WOMAN SAY SUCH THINGS ABOUT A PRESIDENT. AT HOME WE CALL SUCH A WOMAN FOR NOTHING MORE THAN A WHORE, AND A LIER. I THINK CLINTON IS DOING HIS JOB AND DOING GOOD. NO CLAS, I WOULD NEVER LEAN ON YOU, GAUCHO OR SOME OTHER MAN. NEVER. JOSIE PS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH MY QUESTION WHY DID KATY LIED?

................................Katy Did..............................

The bomb was clearly detonated from a Milk Truck. It eased into my space and framed me then somebody screamed somewhere. The real bomber has a scar across his face and the blast broke his hearing aid..

Yesssssssss, Claseeeee, that is my number one toooo!!!! Two lesbabianidos and then me!! LIZ/JOSIE,what is this shit about Clinton? He was horny and ordered up a BABE! have you never been horny?You know what you sit on, donīt you? You sit on a fortune JOSIEEEE!!!!! YGK, go fuck your mother if you have one. ERICA, are you longing for a man sometimes? Tell me.

GAUCHO, maniana ja veres.....

......no thanx, my flat-headed friend, I just did yours last nite, I thought she was a bit slutty, but then again, it's YOUR mom......

It sure didn't take long for me to be reminded of why I do not visit this site often anymore........

"...we know you're smokin' wherever you are..."

Ruby: I'm melting!!! I highly suggest the first RLJ CD, aptly named Rickie Lee Jones, recorded 1979. All cuts good, pay particular attn: to Company, Danny's All-Star Joint, and After Hours. I miss you, baby. I wrote a particularly poignant diatribe towards your way last December. Your response, elegant and sublime. Got me thru the hard time. Thanks much!!!

Clas: I owe you some semblence of an apology. Runnin', Scooter, therefore Squitters? Montizuma's revenge? What have you been eatin' lately?

YGK oleander Roy.Scam Fine.Col

YGK, oleander, Roy.Scam, Fine.Col : I understand that the original lead character in Misery was well versed in the use of vinegar. Something about putting baking soda on wounds and cleaning them with an acidic liquid??? Can you say Hydrogen Pyroxide?

Edd Cote: Long time coming, but I still think about, and respectfully trip on your technical analysis of "Time out of Mind".

To tired to think, (or spell)

Techno Mo

Pete! Now I know why I like you. You will NEVER and I mean NEVER hear Buffett aboard Ruby Baby

Just say no to Jimmy Buffett

As far as not visiting more often, well, I'm with you there and I maintain this freakin' site.

Bob! Christalmighty! Just when I'm about ready to fall asleep watching Clas test his net connection you chime in. Laughed so hard my fiance thought I hurt myself. In fact I think I did hurt myself.

JOSIE/LIZ/WHATEVER. CALL ME AN ANIMAL BUT IF YOU DON'T TURN OFF YOUR CAP LOCKS, I'M GONNA TURN INTO A ROYal asshole. Does anyone really think this person isn't just some very bored persons alter-ego?

Peace, StAl

PS. Clas: Something I've been meaning to tell you for a long time... Jackson Browne SUCKS!

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STAL; You tell me that Jackson sucks, could it be that you donīt like him because heīs telling the true about your country? And apropos sucks, you have the stomack to link your site to a wave-file with Rockola, "singing and playing" With A Gun. Talk about sux. Ptui, mudcity, barf.

But I guess you have to do that because you are so eager to be one of the courtjesters that lick Steely Dan asses.

Free and easy, clas

The other day I was wondering, "Why don't I visit the guestbook as often as before?" Does everyone know the answer?

The only thing that can rehab this site is a new album.

Where have all the old posters gone? "They've joined the human race... some things will never change..."

I was going to write a nice long post about the similarities between Donald Fagen and Stanley Kubrick (there are a ton of them), but I am pretty sure it isn't worth the effort. Sadly, m.e.

Red Wings in Six!

Toodle-oo

BTW, are there any Yanks left here?

m.e.

Will the last one to leave, please turn out the lights?

I can't hold out as long as you can...

StAl: the time has come to shut the thing down, just yank the mofo off the air. You did a great service before and during the tour but now 2% of the shitheads are spooning out 98% of the shit and the rest of us just don't wanna wade through it any more. The sd site will have a chat room sooner or later (and I bet they can put a filter at the front door) and you can come back when the new CD is closer to being done and we have something to talk about, and won't even notice the noise. When your livingroom is being trashed by uninvited thugs and you have no way of selecting your guests you don't just continue to sit there and serve tea, you throw everybody out and lock the door, right? Take your football and go home and let the paragons of manhood go out and look for some other game to loose

Wow, am I psychic or what.

I checked out this site for the first time about a month ago. The postings were great and the analyses were fun & stimulating (mentally, you sick people) for the most part. What happened?

Looks like the folks with the brains and the insight had enough of both to leave this page to the fools (ARE YOU OUT THERE, JOSIE/LIZ?).

moray eel: Please don't leave us in the lurch. Spread that wisdom about Fagen & Kubrick so that others might learn from you. I tried to spark a little convo re: SD and Spalding Gray, but no one seemed to be interested. BTW, Flyers in five (and I'll spot you a game).

I checked out this site for the first time about a month ago. The postings were great and the analyses were fun & stimulating (mentally, you sick people) for the most part. What happened?

Looks like the folks with the brains and the insight had enough of both to leave this page to the fools (ARE YOU OUT THERE, JOSIE/LIZ?).

moray eel: Please don't leave us in the lurch. Spread that wisdom about Fagen & Kubrick so that others might learn from you. I tried to spark a little convo re: SD and Spalding Gray, but no one seemed to be interested. BTW, Flyers in five (and I'll spot you a game).

Hi folks, it is accurat that you regulars are not satisfied with some of the persons who writes here. And I agree with you. Who is this man Clas for example. He told me in swedish that HE was maintaining this Guest-Book, with a little help from StAl. I donīt know if he have a problem, then he asks ME about my sex-belongings, and tells me about his sexual fantasies. I am ashamed to be a Scandinavian. And then that Gaucho. I have seen a lot of latinos but this one takes the prize. Bob tedde, I listened to you when you played with a gun, it is good. Not tight maybe but good. Could you give me anadvice which next CD i should buy? I have Alive in Amerika, what will be the next? Liz, maybe you know?The capslock is the button on your keyboard. Erica

"Merely attacking someone is childs play. The english language is a wonderful thing. How many ways can you tell someone that they are a moron? At least 8. You should try a chat session with our most favored sons themselves. All I can say is you best be wearing some sort of protective clothing." StAl.

Well, well... you know Erika, I am also ashamed... that you are a scandinavian. But I forgive you. Do you know why? Because tonite I am going to a jazzclub and see/listen when two beautiful woman blowin the fuck out of their trombones.

I am going to Oslo in late jun, maybe, to work, set up a showcase in the exibitionhall you have there. Could we meet? You could bring Sissela. Think about it.

Clas

Clas, Sissela is out of town in june. I am working on the Harlekin, it is near Karl Johan.You could always try.Erica.

PS when in june?

Clas, please try not to embarass yourself even more than usual..... (5 dots) it's just too painful to watch. We don't need protective clothing to chat with you; we need a nap.

ROCK I AM VERY UPSET WITH YOU NOW. YOU HAVE WROTE THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT HE WAS FONDLING HIS PENIS? I DO NOT THINK YOU SHALL WRITE THAT SORT OF THINGS. PRESIDENT CLINTON WOULD NEVER FONDLING HIS PENIS AND NOT IN FRONT OF OTHER WOMAN. OR MEN. WHAT HE IS DOING WITH DEAR HILLARY, YES THAT IS HIS PRIVATE PARTS SO SHUT UP AND TAKE AWAY THAT THING YOU WROTE. I GUESS I AM NOT THE ONLY CHRISTIAN WOMAN HERE. ERICA, I THINK YOU SHOULD BUY KATY LIED, THAT IS STEELE DANS FOURTH CD. I LIKE IT VERY MUCH.JOSIE.

ROCK I AM VERY UPSET WITH YOU NOW. YOU HAVE WROTE THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT HE WAS FONDLING HIS PENIS? I DO NOT THINK YOU SHALL WRITE THAT SORT OF THINGS. PRESIDENT CLINTON WOULD NEVER FONDLING HIS PENIS AND NOT IN FRONT OF OTHER WOMAN. OR MEN. WHAT HE IS DOING WITH DEAR HILLARY, YES THAT IS HIS PRIVATE PARTS SO SHUT UP AND TAKE AWAY THAT THING YOU WROTE. I GUESS I AM NOT THE ONLY CHRISTIAN WOMAN HERE. ERICA, I THINK YOU SHOULD BUY KATY LIED, THAT IS STEELE DANS FOURTH CD. I LIKE IT VERY MUCH.JOSIE.

I just checked out the Summer ' 97 link. It looks like Walter took the gang to Six Flags. Nice expression.

MrLaPage: Okay, I will post my little Kubrick/Fagen note, but you have to go first with your Gray/SD post.

Spalding Gray...hmm...isn't that the new tennis racket that all the pros are using?

m.e.

"The food here ain't so good no more and they closed the package store..."

I just checked out the Summer ' 97 link. It looks like Walter took the gang to Six Flags. Nice expression.

MrLaPage: Okay, I will post my little Kubrick/Fagen note, but you have to go first with your Gray/SD post.

Spalding Gray...hmm...isn't that the new tennis racket that all the pros are using?

m.e.

"The food here ain't so good no more and they closed the package store..."

Clas = Gaucho

Clas = JOSIE/LIZ

Clas = Erica

Clas = Asshole

R.O.C.K. what do you mean let's live in the present relative to denying Denny and(even) Skunk,as well as even Gadd-or have a guitar army for the performance w/ the likes of Holdsworth,and Carlton-hell even the apparently unpopular Elliot Randall! But back to the opening point again what present? Have you been to the shows for the last 4 years? Is there a new body of material that we're not aware of! A) The induction to the Hall Of Fame is based on their "classic" body of work B)Let's face it -short of a few new tunes there is no "present"-no insult to the band, but other than their solo projects there-objectively simply is'nt anything new - S.T.O.P. living in the present(until the '98 tour starts!)- relishing the past is fine with me. Q By the way the more I look @ Rundgren's mutimedia Individualist disc, I think Walter should focus on pulling something like that off for the upcoming album- a DAN multimedia(grahics incld) disc could be awesome- maybe an opportunity for Rudy & St. Al?

original gbooker: Your answer is correct, but you have to admit that the question wasn't that difficult.

m.e.

Now here's a tough one: Is there a solution to this problem?

What the hell is wrong with you people?You're all BAKED!

Mr. Canoehead's right,you are all baked...Josie-Katy lied because she didn't want to hurt him.

This GB is cyclic, like most things in the universe. Patience & this will pass--it's only a spasm....

Alas, poor Yortek. I knew him, Horatio.

YGK, Mo'Ray, & Mr. La--after tonight, it could be Wings in 4. I'll stick with 7. Y--for now it's just a NY state of mind.

On with it--Spalding Gray & Kubrick!! Stop holding out!

ROCK--these days you've become the soul of decorum. I think your proposal is completely in keeping with the SD Concept.

Q--when you post, I keep thinking of Star Trek TNG.

Hammer Sisters Hammer Sisters Hammer Sisters... Remember where you heard it first. Two woman with trombones, I am totally knocked down after the show last night.

I also got some information about the worlds most sold jazzrecord; The Complete Atomic Basie, recorded 1958, arrangments mostly by Neal Hefti. Sonny Payne on drums, Snooky Young, Wendell Culley, Thad Jones, Joe Newman - trumpets. I am to lazy to write down all the members name here. It is a great record, listen to Count Basies "less is more" style of playing. I here a lot of Fagen there.

MORAY ELL/SEE YOU SOON/PAUL; How you love to flame yourself. Do you have any pictures you want share with us again? Call me anytime mr Tender.

JOSIE; I think you are for real so; ROCK did not write that stuff about miss/mrs Jones and Clinton, he just made a LINK to the lawsuit. And please, the caps lock! Third row on the left. For gods sake.

Erica: no, I donīt believe in you. Itīs too good to be true, on the other hand, a woman came on to me once before on this place, so what do I say? I wish you were real. But then again no, I am a married man, almost forgot...

StAl; sorry for my anger yesterday, I guess I was a bit tensed when I realized that I was going to a jazzclub and stay sober. But it worked. Iīm sorry for some of my words there. But I still think Rockola sux. But that is my opinion.

Well, if I am still happy tomorrow I will teach some new voicings so stay tuned Edd!

Free and easy, Clas

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