Name: TheStranger
memorial day
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:39:53
Comments:
well, i hope nobody got killed or arrested over the holiday weekend. we actually had a pleasant one topped off by nice party of mostly ex-hippies who are now mostly rich and living in topanga canyon, which is a 60s time capsule near malibu. i am sure don and walt spent the weekend polishing off the last track of their new cd.
'election' is a rather good movie.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...let's see, no, I'm almost sure I'm not related to TheKittyDanFan..."
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:36:49
Comments:
Is it just PA or is it hot everywhere this weekend? It's like the middle of summer here.DanMoment: Today I drove with someone in my car who wasn't going to embrace my SD tapes, so I switched to a jazz station out of Philadelphia. Within five minutes they were playing "Hey Nineteen!" I turned it up, smiling and singing along, and my passenger was never the wiser.
Babbler: Nice to hear from you. Thanks for identifying yourself as one of our "eavesdroppers." Will all other eavesdroppers now step forward, please? (We're actually looking for someone who bears resemblance to Don or Walt.)
Does anyone know if the bass player Tom Barney is still around, and will he be available for any tour that may take place in the near future? I'm asking because I know Walter Becker says he doesn't even want to play if Tom isn't there. So what are we going to do if something happens to this guy? Is anyone bothering to keep him in a safe place??
Schwinn: Welcome back, where've you been?
El Supremo: It's awfully lonely in here without you! ILYM!
Just Katy :)
Name: te1etubbie
te1etubbie@webtv.net
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:00:46
Comments:
In re: to Babbler- Nothing gets me more on the rampage than sampling. I think it is a shameless practice that enables no talent plagurists the opportunity to impress a less knowledgable audience with musical ability that they do not possess, nor problebly could ever hope to attain. I shall never forget the first time I saw a commercial for,"Bullworth." The ad kept playing a tune in the background that I could recognize, yet not quite put my finger upon. I continued to hum the ditty for the next two hours, until I finally realized, much to my horror, that the song in question was a much mutilated,"Islands In The Stream." I was even more mortified when I heard this new 'song' in it's entirity, and realized that all of maybe ten words from the original version had been changed. Now don't get me wrong, I am not some huge Kenny Rodgers, Dolly Parton fan (although there would be nothing wrong with that), but at least when they recorded this song it was an original arrangement. I hate listening to the genius of Steely Dan being butchered in a synthesized piece of garbage, and then having these hatchet men profit from it. Several of my friends are fans of rap music (obviously I am not), and it makes me weep when they are exposed to these mere snipets, without getting the true experience of the original, beautiful product. I only hope that this horrendous trend in current music ends soon. --- o-:(
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ontario Canada
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 20:49:38
Comments:
It seems like ages since I've signed in - When "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" was played repeatedly on AM radio in 1974, it went from a favourite song to a reviled tune by most of my friends. It started to wear on me after a while, but a chap I worked with who was a great jazz guitarist at the tender age of 23 would always crank up the radio when it came on because of the great guitar solo. He felt it was such an infectios piece of playing (by Dnny Diaz I presume?)and it has stuck with me to this day. When I compare it to the opening of "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" and the vibrophone or whatever it is that starts off the tune, and the guitar work in "I Got The News," it's no wonder SD still has me spellbound. And DF's lyrics to tie it all together.
Ruby - Drop me a signal, and tell me about your travel. Keep the faith SD disciples - our wait will soon be over.
Razor
Name: Aaron Lowry
pox_takmar@hotmail.com
Location: Belleville, IL USA
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 15:52:05
Comments:
Nothing witty to report; I'm just a huge fan who can't wait for the next album... take your time, though, boys... we appreciate your perfectionist ways.
Name: PretzelLogician
@PortRoyaleScam.edu
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 12:22:32
Comments:
Monkey see, Monkey do, FYI:
Monkey In Your Soul's about philistine taste,
Fagen's father's the bookkeeper in Don't Take Me Alive.
Name: Clas
Stevie Window! Yeah, c'mon Tina!
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 07:07:45
Comments:
SCHWINN - "Also, quit being so mean to Roy"
?
Roy? I'm not mean to Roy.
And Pompe is fine. There's a lot of barking in the car though.
RubyBaby - no more blues?
Name: backroom
babbler
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 04:09:37
Comments:
on who wrote what- 'everything you did' sounds like walter to me while 'royal scam ' smells of donald
on sd gripes- isn't it a little insulting the way they repackage the same material over &over again
on wish lists ( apart from the new one )- i wish the box set had included 'true companion' (which i don't have) instead of 2 versions of 'gone to the movies'
on trivia- does anyone know who introduces 'bhodisattva' on 'citizen'? i'm sure there's a story there
on sampling- i wonder what people think of the recent sd sampled songs (one used rikki and the other show biz kids)?
on this page- i enjoy listening in - i don't spent much time on the computer but apprecate your conversation
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:55:43
Comments:
PS I forgot the most important thing. Changes to www.steelydan.com contest winners not yet announced. No new info on the new one. A Ask Mr. Clam feature
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:31:37
Comments:
Mass:
The Student Prince was the original name of what is now the bar. The Fort was the large dinning room added thereafter in memory of the original settlement in Springfield, which makes sense, since it is on Fort Street. Since then it has been known as The Student Prince/The Fort. Check it out at www.studentprince.com They use Javanet as well.
Name: TheStranger
compiling military history
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:17:52
Comments:
alta,
lots of people were getting drafted in '69. we know what clinton did. how did fagen stay out?
Name: RubyBaby
I wanna hold your hand
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 12:42:31
Comments:
Clas: I almost said hej do to *KittyDanFan* but I didn't know if you cared to be given away. I'll meet you at the Fountain of Ensam Hjarta. But we won't stay there.OMIO: Thanks for the interesting sign idea. It would be fun to just drive 'em out of business! It's not like they aren't already on the Welfare.
Phil: Are you new around here? Glad to make your accquaintance. Tell me something about yourself. What's the first thing you usually think of when you wake up? Or is it different every day?
rb
Name: Sociable Retard
da
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 09:13:05
Comments:
Oleander, do you like reading me to?
Name: Mass. forever
rock it
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 08:05:54
Comments:
is it the student price or the fort?
who knows?
Name: Schwinn
ultratrout
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 03:55:27
Comments:
Clas! My Swedish friend! Just knowing that you would have sprung me from the slammer has given me infinite joy. Infinite joy being very similar to a hack-saw blade in a cake. Thanks!
Also, quit being so mean to Roy. You always mess with him when you are at work.
Marimba Memorial,SEMB
P.S. How is Great Danny? I mean Pompe.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 02:30:06
Comments:
I can't believe this, where's my head? Last time I posted, I used the name "The KittyDanFan". That girl has really twisted my mind, or is it the Seroxat? Or am I just growing old?
So, Ruby, where's the fountain?
Rikki without the marimba is like love without kisses. Or coffee without cream. Or sugar.
Hi Schwinn - I could have bailed you out.
Ole Andersen - did Bru (yes, we who knows that guy calls him Bru)meantion me during the concert? Or his aunt?
Name: Schwinn
jailbreak
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 23:02:09
Comments:
Roy
Granted, listening enjoyment is a personal experience, but I've always felt the "marimba noodling" at the beginning of Rikki set the tone for the other-worldly elements of not only that particular song, but for the album as a whole. I put it right there with the "gong" at the end of Parker's Band and the "Marimba-similar" distortion at the close of Through With Buzz. I was always told never to change my first answer in a multiple choice test and I feel it was a mistake to remove this material from the recording.
But That's Just Me,
SEMB
Name: oleander
over but not out
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 22:50:07
Comments:
Yikes--Check out the ODP. New advice column with some choice words--especially "unassailable" info that there will be NO tour this summer (as if we didn't already know).
Name: oleander
one flew over
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 22:29:59
Comments:
Herm--Take no heed of those who snivel and snipe and try to kneecap you. They can just fuck off. I like to read you, and I sure as hell would like to hear your jazz collection.
GKJ--Damn! We must institute a Steely Rapid Response Team! Within a few hour radius you had a half-dozen DanFans who would drop all responsibilities and speed to your side for an impromptu DanFest and rescue mission.
Midnite--Asheville & the Triangle. Not far from you at all. And if you are ever up this way, don't languish as GKJ did, but e me.
Zeke--What up, my cajun hero? How was Telluride? What are you cooking these days? You and lisa should have a recipe duel. My page is at http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm, and thanx for asking.
Alta--That's the book. You'd mentioned that you got steered to it via Gibson (about whom I am nuts). Liked what you said about Mr. Becker.
lucky--can't wait!
jOka--The Freudian O, eh? Know it well. Would love to rehang with you sometime.
RS--now I'm going to be singing that damn song all night. Thanks a LOT.
Name: Beyond Warwick
rubadubdub
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 21:30:36
Comments:
Swabby--please send me your e-mail address.
Thank You,
Beyond
Name: lucky henry
lost @gain for good
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 18:32:47
Comments:
Herm: Pretzel Logic, being one of my "Expedition tapes" i've hiked up hillsides with Charlie Freak in my head, which, when it occurred to me at the time, sent a bone-chilling stir down my spine. Must be the E-minor.
Skunk (n) L. skúnk. 1. a nocturnal mammal whose defensive mechanism is its aroma 2. the atmosphere in a stuffy, hot studio in which is resident one Jeff Baxter, after a hearty meal of refried beans and beef burritos with Spanish rice, and nine stinkin' hours of playing the same thing over and over again 3. Pépé le Peu.
oleander: when i get my next roll of film back, i'll have a shot of Barrytown for you, and a couple of hackers looking at Any Major Dude...
Phil: They (the proceeds, et. al.) are not.
hello, Walt.
Sue me if i stray from song,
lh.
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 16:24:00
Comments:
Lew Chang: I got your E-Mail, thank you! Do you really know Adam Gilchrist? I watched him bat against Bangladesh the other day...phew! He took 'em apart!!
I hope that Australia makes the "Super Six" because I am looking foward to England carving you guys up... Goughy taking a hatrick, whaddaya reckon?
Quite seriously, I do hope Aussie makes it to the final rounds...I still reckon Damien Fleming is the best bowler in the world - but what do you reckon about that Pakistani bowler, Shoab Akhtar? They have already timed him at 98 mph...shit, what can he do when he is REALLY going for it??!!
Come on aussie, but wait until we thrash you,
Phil
Name: RubyBaby
i like mine with lettuce & tom@to
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 14:37:54
Comments:
I've been outta town all week, no laptop & no net access. I was so busy I didn't have time for withdrawls. But I missed you all. I thought about you on the plane. One thought led to another and I ended up writing a letter to Kevin Costner that I'm not sending. Look what you've done to me! I've come to accept this phenomenon.There's no way I can catch up on all the stuff you guys posted. But I'm having fun trying!
SDMoment: I got off the plane yesterday afternoon and what is playing over the PA but Your Gold Teeth II. It was perfect - until they interrupted it for the Spanish version of "...for your safety please do not accept packages from strangers and keep your luggage with you at all times yaddablahblahblah..." But it resumed in time for the sublime instrumental section, only to be cut off again by a lounge song Bill Murray would do on SNL. Sheesh, I'm home!
KittyDanFan: I'll meet you at the fountain. I'll be the one drinking a Vernor's while I'm wading & singing Hey 19. How will I know you?
rb
Name: yeow
check it out
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 08:27:16
Comments:
Item #110450236 on ebay
Name: Roy.Scam
hillary.hillary.hillary.hillary.life.is.but.a.dream
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 06:59:53
Comments:
Steve V: Your mention of "Monkey In Your Soul" reminded me of a great film that I forgot to mention when we were spouting favorites a while ago: Ken Russel's "Altered States" which does a fine job of embracing some of Steely Dan's favorite subjects, e.g., science fiction, drug use, the arrogance of academia, the dangers of introspection, returning to the primitive for insight, the metaphysical importance of sex and love, and , of course, that monkey that lives in your soul. That, plus the fact that the music is beautiful, strange and understated , the visual effects are Kubrick-caliber and there's some excellent nudity.
My other daily opinion: "Rikki" is a better song without the marimba noodling at the beginning. In fact, I'd have liked it better if they skipped that rudimentary bass line and started the song with the one keyboard chord and Fagen's terrific vocal. But, who am I to second guess their most commercially succesful song?
Does the Today Show ad theme sound like "Time Out of Mind" to anyone else?
Alt: The middle piano solo in "Fire In the Hole" is a favorite of mine. It makes me think of that old 'little boys shouldn't smoke' cartoon. I get the feeling Cab Calloway would have loved it too.
RS
Name: Lew Chang
peterliz@rivers.aunz.net.
Location: Wyrallia, NSW Australia
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 05:51:58
Comments:
Hi from Australia! Well thanks Ong Sang Irish for the info on the new CD. Being a Dan fan for 25 years now i`m always hanging out for new material from the man { Mr Fagen of course.}-----------By from Down Under.----------Hey Ruby! keep writing
Name: Steve V.
@old school lyrics
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 01:33:06
Comments:
re: Pretzel Logic lyrics interpretations (in my humble opinion)...
'Rikki'-obssessive Prof. type of upstate NY college eyes young student..
'Barrytown'-college band (in upstate NY) plays gig near cult based town....
'Through With Buzz'-guy tries to swear off his 'habit'
'Petzel Logic'-nerdy student (from Passaic) reads up on Hitler and the occult....
'Charlie freak'-Burroughsian tale of a street person who pawns his ring for a fix
'Monkey In Your Soul'-Fagen and Becker zing their record co. 'I've got one (album) and you want four.....' lyrical sequel to 'Show Biz Kids'.......gotta go-Happy memorial Day!!!!!!!!!!enjoy the bbq and baseball.......
does anyone know where the mastertapes to the 'new' one are.....I hope they're not sittting in the sun somewhere..........
Name: The KittyDanFan
@ work
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 01:15:08
Comments:
Hi Zeke!
JustKaty - it was a plae... a pliss... a plees...
It was nice doing it.
RubyBaby - could you meet me at the fountain? I'm lost.
Herm - that was way overboard honey.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...everyone ok in here?..."
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 22:41:40
Comments:
*A Very Happy and Safe Memorial Day Weekend to All GBers!!*
O Michael: Was great talking to you via Ma Bell and knowing you're doing well following surgery! You do know of course *we* are counting on you to at least visit if not move in with us someday soon. :) You can stay in this room we've prepared for you and all your SD related items *grin* Thank you so much for the honor you gave me, but please, don't scare me like that again!
Herm: I believe you, I have enjoyed reading your *truly Herm* posts lately and I'm glad you've been gettting out of the cave. Actually I was quite fascinated by your take on all those songs I do love so much, and it all made sense to me, too. I could see it. Notwithstanding the inconsistency with some apparent facts, still....just wanted you to know, I for one, was impressed with your getting all of that together. As Ole said, you may take the award for lyric interpreter of the millenium.
For the record, I love the Boston Rag and Everyone's Gone to the Movies as well. (Is there an SD song I don't love? Yes, just a few though.)
Lately, though, I've been so taken with the middle section of Fire in the Hole, wow, that is so super.
Geena: You haven't mentioned anything about the motherhood thing that I missed, have you? I mean, we Babylon Sisters will have to plan a shower pretty soon, maybe?
Clas: Thanks for returning my squirt gun Sunday nite. I thought we might need it in here soon, but....I'm going to give it another day. Now where is Ruby so I can squirt some KoolAid her way?
Thanks to those who helped answer some confusion regarding the Doobies, I did catch those posts!
And welcome to the *true newbies* meaning those with new, consistent names who are not hiding their identity behind names like....what was that one name, something about poop?
El Supremo: I detect you in the room at the top of the stairs... **smiles**... ILY.
Just Katy,
JustDancing All The Time :)
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 22:33:49
Comments:
The Stranger - Ironically, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald Fagen graduated from college the same year - 1969. There's no real connection here of course, but it does show that they grew up in the same time and probably had some similar cultural influences, although they certainly did completely different things with their lives.
Midnite Cruiser - Going on the information I have, I'd be inclined to agree with you regarding Katy Lied. I didn't read the liner notes for the album since I bought it on cassette many years ago, but I have since read a great deal about the problems with the master tape, and I would doubt that the newly remastered CD is superior to the version heard on Citizen Steely Dan, which sounds vastly better than my casette, but there are still some odd-sounding tracks on that CD and I strongly suspect that they've already done all they can with those master tapes. I'll just enjoy the CD I have and not bother with the new one.Zeke - You commented on the Eagles' current tour; I saw an ad in the Washington Post today for the combined Doobie Brothers and Chicago tour. Some bands do just go on forever! Is Michael McDonald still with the Doobies? I'd noticed that he had done a solo album a while back. I haven't heard AIA yet, although I will buy it soon - considering how much McDonald contributed to the sound of many SD recordings, I do wish Fagen and Becker would give him a call and encourage him to work with them soon.
Gk John - I saw the Phantom Menace last week - I thought it was a disappointing movie but I did like some of the sets and costumes. And I just loved Jar Jar Binks; I had read that his accent was supposed to be remotely Caribbean, but it seemed so far removed from its supposed source that it would be a bit far-fetched to see him and the other Ganguans as being a slur against the Caribbean people. People who make movies have to find their inspiration somewhere (the queen's costumes looked Asian; her city looked Venetian), but what they do with an original source is usually so far removed from that source that there's no reason to think that an ethnic group is being insulted. (By the way, I'd read that the Ganguans look like lizards, horses, and dogs - I think they look like goats. I read an article in the newspaper today about goats and the long-eared goats in the article would have made model Ganguans.)
Sociable Hermit - I'm on another list where a very nasty person was sending some truly hateful flames to the list signed with the name of a long-term list member who is sort of cranky but never all-out nasty. A number of listmembers spoke up to defend the person whose name was incorrectly attached to these horrible posts, but it was sad to see how low a really pathological person could go in smearing the good name of a well respected listmember. This may not help much; I'm just trying to show you that it does happen on other lists, and the people here are wise enough to realize that you wouldn't write that sort of thing. You have always been respectful to the people on this list, and those who know you realize this - that's a good thing; to be respected and trusted by those who know you. Fie on everyone else.
Oleander - What book are you referring to? I buy and read one book a week usually. Curiously, the last book I bought and read, Queen City Jazz, had what appeared to be a number of SD references and some references to Kamakiriad - it was published in 1994, so the author could have heard Kamakiriad. A number of phrases and situations in the book sounded like they might have originated in SD songs, and the entire setting sounded like something Fagen might have cooked up if he'd become a science fiction writer. I may be reading more into it than is there, but it was recommended by William Gibson, one of Fagen's favorite writers and someone who does refer to SD in his books. BTW, I read a book a while back by Neil Gaiman, a former writer and drawer of sophisticated comic books (graphic novels), and he looks enough like Donald Fagen to be his long-lost twin brother. When I saw his picture, I wondered if maybe Fagen had taken on a pseudonym and finally found a way to indulge his love for science fiction and fantasy!
Dr. Mu - Regarding Becker and Fagen's songwriting; I do not wish to venture into waters well over my head, but it has been my impression from all the interviews I've read on many websites that Fagen tends to be a bit more imaginative regarding basic ideas, but Becker is a bit more imaginative regarding language (even though he didn't graduate with a degree in English, but formal education definitey has its limits and one can do quite well without it if one is brilliant). He is especially good at neologisms, and I suspect that he is great at putting ideas into words (which I respect highly since it ties into what I do as an editor). They're both wise, creative geniuses and we'll never be able to figure out how they did it, but that's my own little puny take on it. (I read Becker's humorous article for Guitar Player today, in which he mentions "unobtanium," a metal so rare that it can't be found in any amount, anywhere. I love that type of use of the language; I wish I could do it, but I was born without Becker's wit, a gift I stand in awe of.)
Woo, it's getting late and I'm about ready for bed, so I will read further into the posts later. My one comment for right now is that I've been listening a lot to Kamakiriad in the last few days and I have become quite enamored by Becker's guitar playing and especially his slyly seductive bass playing. Now that I'm feeling a bit better, I think I might wish to hunt down 11 Tracks of Whack since I would like to hear more of Becker's playing and I am curious about his minimalist approach to music. I am extremely fond of Fagen, as y'all can tell from my posts, but I know Becker has some wonderful abilities also and I would like to hear his solo effort.
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 21:08:54
Comments:
Hi again, I kinda lost you guys a bit back there, somewhere my Internet went funny on me, and then I woke up three days later cuddling an empty bottle of gin, but I'm happy to say that apart from a few hiccups (excuse me) I am back in the land of the nearly living.
By the way, was anyone suggesting a while back that "Boston Rag" was the worst SD song? Because I'd like to put my two cents in and say that "Everyone has gone to the movies" sends my cringe factor up to nine, apart from Jeff Porcaros' drumming.
Finally, it has always occured to me that your place names, and just the feel that you have in America, always lends itself to descriptive and pointed lyrics...what I mean is, I can't imagine anyone singing: "Do you know the way to London, I've been away so long..." or even "I want to be a part of it, Torquay, Torquay" And as for "Route 66", well, we have the M25 over here, which is basically a tailback from Monday to Friday and leads you to such romantic places as Swanley and Dagenham.
Well, I hope this gets on the board, if not I'll just have to go back and fiddle with my modem, which is not a pretty sight.
PS: Any SD cricket fans out there?
Name: TheStranger
no more
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 20:58:47
Comments:
was a good article in the new yorker about hillary. compared the clintons to rotten kids you're finally getting out of the house. only if hillary gets in the senate, that means they stick around another 6 years. hillary's a cold, plotting bitch with no ideas but she's too screwed up to know it and loves the limelight. her health care plan was more than a thousand pages. somebody tell her the truth. i'm too nice to do it.
Name: A Curious Bystander
On Solid Flooring
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 20:30:49
Comments:
Now I don't get it. Way too cryptic for my blood. Say it in english.
Name: Hotskiz
Hotskiz@Gwi.Net
Me USA
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 18:45:41
Comments:
Im am desperately looking for Bass tab For any Steely Dan Songs. If Any one can help please let me know I would love to have it ASAP!!! Thanks Mucho!!!
Name: could be
be hold
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 17:06:29
Comments:
look at that. 30 minutes later he falls right through the ceiling
as if on cue.behold your virus below.
laters
w?
Name: Woody Allen
Sans Soon-Yi
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:36:09
Comments:
Excuse me, but I just happen to have the "real" Mr. Word Virus right here with me, and both of us would like to ask you a question.
"Ehh, what's your point?"
Woody
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:10:20
Comments:
Hi All,
First time on the computer today since I took a day off to go fishing. Fishing was terrible, but weather was 10+. You know what they say, "A bad day of fishing is better than a good day of work" Only 40 kegs remain of the 300 they buy annually of Spaten Premium Bock beer at the The Student Prince - truly the mark that summer is near.Did you know Negro Problem listened to Steely Dan when they were younger:
http://www.laweekly.com:80/ink/99/27/music-epstein.shtml\RICHARD CROMELIN, Times Staff Writer, is disappointed that Steely Dan's Midnight Crusier didn't get included in a highway song compelation.
http://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990527/t000047572.htmland I agree - to all of you in the US have a safe and memerable Memorial Day!
Name: Word Virus
GBV.pos@dangling.particles
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:06:29
Comments:
Remember the Woody Allen scene in which some intelligent but egomanical, head-up-the-ass poser is spewing all over the date he's trying to impress with Marshall McLuhanisms while they wait in line at the movies- and the Woodman grows acrimonious, can't restrain himself any longer- but, instead of confronting the loudmouthed idiot (who has chosen the wrong context in which to dazzle the date with bullshit), he reaches into the crowd and pulls out none other than M.M. himself who matter-of-factly informs the man that he obviously doesn't know the first thing about M's work? [Woody then pulls a characteristic soliloquy:
"Wouldn't it be great if you could pull off things like this in real life?"]Maybe.
Now imagine pulling the very real Walter out from the midst of the lurkers...
He might be reminded of certain fraternity types way back there from the old days who occupied once-upon-a-time grand maissons
transformed to dilapidated, stale beer smelling, louse infested, stained couch cushioned ugliness- housing a stereotypically uglier mobbed-up mentality of circle-jerkers who thrive on telling each other just how bitchin' they are while they derive pubescent pleasures from their little secret, sadistic, ritualistic activities before, during and after which they delude themselves by assigning meritorious values of Great Distinction
and snickering themselves to sleep night by night. Shhhh:"...so take down that Gamma Steely Danna. You're charter is hereby revoked. What Charter? Look at me: you don't have a fucking charter, or a clue. Open a window. Quickly. Don't re-arrange the furniture. Take it all to the dump. The rest of you guys are good kids but, listen: you have a virus replicating in here. It's just that obvious- even from all the way out here on the street. But, you've gotten used to it. The cleaning supplies are on me. Disinfect the place. Start all over again if you can figure out a way. I can't help you... I'm a little busy. I still care about all of you- but, don't call us, we'll call you.
You just might have to burn down the house. Good luck."Could it be Walter?
If things like this could happen in real life, of course.
Name: Tower Records
9 million locations
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 11:14:30
Comments:
Midnite.. Are you trying to say you're not a sucker?
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 11:07:53
Comments:
GK John....wish I had known you were in Greensboro, I'm less than an hour from there....could have at least turned you on to a beer and some Dan. I'm sure you're glad to just be home though.
jOker & Ole....where are all these cool goings on happening at? Can't be but so far from here?
with all the raving on the sound quality of Katy Lied going on here let's remember that the master was seriously flawed and that the original liner notes about all the high-tech recording was tongue in cheek. I can't believe it sounds that much better and since I have the original vinyl, original CD's and the Citizen Box Set I will NOT be buying any reissued remastered versions of the same songs. I love all the music but the next Steely Dan recording I buy will be a new Dan or solo release from either Walt or Don. I know a lot of you will disagree but that's life I guess.....have a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend everyone!!
Name: mao tse dan
yang t see
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 10:01:16
Comments:
these nuclear warheads bill sold us make great popcorn poppers. capitalism's great. you just pay, they take care of you. when we get hillary in the senate we gonna do great things together. just like michael corleone and hyman roth.
Name: Zeke
to be the rock, and not the roll
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 10:00:45
Comments:
Ole: Hi. btw, can you post your address to your most cool web page?
It seems the Eagles will perform a most Bitchin' Millineum Concert @ years end. The bill will include Jackson Browne and Linda Rondstandt. Want to go? Well, be prepared to shuck out $1000.00 per/ticket. There are lower price tickets, $800, $700,
600, $500... Hey Don, Walt, I got an idea!!!Listening to AIA today. The guitar work on Peg is awesome.
Donald seems to be groovin' on it.
Good job on Reelin' I really like this version, good horns, Don's voice is very strong.
AIA is a damn fine live CD, BUT (and i'm not one to complain)
it needs Michael McDonald. If there is a tour this year, Don, Walt, give'm a call.Have a groovy weekend.
Zeke
Name: GK John
Down @ The Lido
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 08:16:55
Comments:
Sorry folks, It's been a week's worth of catching up with y'all.
I spent nearly two days trying to get back to NYC stranded in Greensboro NC. Why do airlines cancel flights after making passengers wait for nearly 7 hours? And then let a later flight go off? Is it more important for the later flight passengers to get to their destinations than the early passengers? Well, it wasn't a total loss, we did get to fly 1st class the next day...Some random musings- Got to see Phantom Menace in a half empty theater, something I'd NEVER get to do in NY, and I have to laugh at the morons who scream that Jar Jar Binks is a racial epithet to people of Caribbean heritage! What shit! It's a MOVIE! It's ENTERTAINMENT! Sheeesh! BTW, greatest SFX I've ever seen! Oh yeah, the kids kind of liked it too...
Steely Moment of the weekend: Pretzel Logic on the muzak at the IHOP on Battleground Avenue Sunday morning. Very surreal when you consider the circumstances. Of course, the Mrs. doesn't appreciate these things like I do.
BTW, Alta & OMIO- I've heard versions of Who do you love by Bob Seeger and Johnny Cash. Lonesome George rocks, though don't he?
Right on with Woody Herman...MCP- Get well soon dude! And don't forget to take your saltpeter until you're well enough to stand the strain and exertion of getting it up. Just trying to help here...
Jimmy Buffett may be getting diarrhea of the lyric in his old age but he swings and connects more than he misses. His concerts with the Coral Reefers are among the most memorable in my experience. I see him here at Jones Beach every opportunity I get.
Mu- Great analysis, but why is it all about Becker's problems? I mean, couldn't D & W be writing about friends the two of them know? Hmmm...
Geena- Let's see, Italian. Live in Boston. Love SD music. I feel this curious attraction!
Ciao!
Name: reducto
.
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 08:05:49
Comments:
Yeah, I am confused. I guess I just hallucinated your comment addressed to Colonel Sanders.
I know, you're a little rattled lately. If you won't get that epidermis fitting you claim you don't need, then maybe at least you could take a few deep breaths?
Name: Sociable Hermit
...
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 07:07:05
Comments:
Reducto: I wasn't just addressing a "flamer", I was addressing someone who signed my name to a flame. That's a completely different story. Hope that settles your confusion.
joker, and others: I'm not thin-skinned; all of this is a result of someone else using my name, now I end up having to put out fires and defend myself for behavior that I didn't even conduct. This is stupid. I come on here to talk and share ideas, never had any real problems; then I come up with a theory that a few people don't agree with, and all hell breaks loose. (Well, maybe not ALL hell, but I am feeling a little hot and aggrevated.) I'm now being portrayed aa a whiny crybaby, which I'm not, but whenever I try to clarify anything, it seems to only get worse.
I've always had fun on this gb, and have been as respectful as I could toward others. To all of those who know me, hopefully you'll believe what I say. To the rest, oh well. Life goes on.
Later,
Herm
Name: joke.....er
@the mirror
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 06:49:39
Comments:
OLE: me & the mrs. were kinda hopin you could come along for the ride for an encore performance as well - photographic docuumentation should be forthcoming.
J.REDFIELD: doubt it - the Princess was prob. in high school and relatively unknown when the song was written (unless don/walt had a penchant for underage british babysitters - actually, now that you mention it.........]
herm, c'mon over here to the fitting room for another layer of epidermis: you look like you're about a 42 long.....you like hairy or non-? {grIn\
Name: reductio ad absurdum
huh?
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 06:48:14
Comments:
The "real" Herm says he ignores flamers. But then turns his attention to a flamer--so I guess it wasn't really Herm. But wait a minute: if it wasn't really Herm, then his claim that he "ignores flamers" could be false too -- in which case his going on to address the flamer is not necessarily inconsistent with The Real Herm. But wait a minute: if it was the "real" Herm, he says he ignores flamers. But then he turns his attention to a flamer--oh god I'm really confused
Name: Sociable Hermit
Just A Minute
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 05:43:17
Comments:
ATTENTION!
For the record, that WAS NOT ME, that bitched at Warren Sun. Somebody's just decided to fuck with me and I don't think it's cool. Maybe they thought they were trying to speak in my defense, (I doubt it), but whatever, it wasn't me. I've always taken the position of ignoring flamers, so it would be out of character for me to respond.
As far as Don and Walt's writing goes, I wasn't aware of who wrote what, that is why I presented the idea. And that's all I did. I never read the book, and as oleander said, trying to discern the truth from what they've said can be rather tough. But, it all sounded good when I was thinking about it, so if you don't agree, that's fine. I don't care. As I said, it was just something to think about. Sorry to upset the apple cart.
Now, whoever that was who used my name, DON'T DO IT AGAIN. Whether you were trying to help or not. It seems like someone was using my name in order to squelch the recent waves of anon posters. For one, it didn't work, Two, using someone else's name is worse than using a "fake", and Three, stop it.
Colonel Sanders: finger lick yourself, and fuck off. I have as much right to be here as an elitist Southern chicken-killer does.
Later,
Herm
Name: Colonel Sanders
spitfunnel
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 23:26:29
Comments:
Herm,
Please go away again and this time don't come back.
Don and Walt
Name: james redfield
cele@aol
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 23:18:24
Comments:
i've heard that 'here at the western world' is about princess diana- is this true?
Name: oleander
I can see it in your face
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 21:14:13
Comments:
Clas--Yes, I did. And it was a blast. Hornsby was protecting himself by standing on the grand piano playing the squeezebox.
lucky henry--good to hear from you. You can learn a lot from crazy people.
turn up, digital--one word: scroll.
David--you are too sweet. The bulk of the contributions to fever dreams, the lyric discussion page, is from the greater Dandom. Also, Geena & Hank, thanx for remembering the url to my page, something I often am not able to do myself.
Stranger--I'm very fond of the Cherry Poppin' Daddies. There's something about their edge that really nails me. The band is really tight & wild, too, and their lyrics are very creative. "Mr. White Keys" and "Zoot Suit Riot" are standouts, though many of the other tunes are irresistible.
Jokah--Way to grab the steely baton. Would love to have been a fly on the wall as you prestidigitaltators made cybermagic.
Alta--OK, what book did you get?
Herm--Honey, when you ask people to share their feelings, that's what you'll get. I think you are the greatest, and that you win the prize for most bodacious fever dream of the month, if not the near-millennium. I also thought Warren Sun was very funny; it's too bad you were insulted. But I agree that the key is that the lyrics were at least cowritten by Mr. Becker, so it would be hard to accept that as their content. I've written before about my awe at their artistic relationship--its longevity, its richness, and its persistence in the face of hardship and the vagaries of time. Quintessential yin/ yang--which doesn't mean black/ white, words/ lyrics, etc., but each in the other, flowing complementarity. I think Mr. Becker looms large in the lyrics in PL (and everywhere else), also the music--maybe it's only clear to me, but once I heard 11TOW I had a much better idea of what he does. It's just as important as what Mr. Fagen does, and the whole is synergistic. The other key is that we'll all hear whatever the hell we want to, so sue us.
Name: DrMu
and Tigger too
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 21:05:23
Comments:
This is what I've gleaned previous discussions here and from their inteviews - generally the solo interviews... there's not much chance of getting a straight from those they did together. Unlike Lennon and McCartney, which became 2 people writing competitively, occasionally splicing phrases or sections together for a cohesive unit such as We Can Work it Out or Day in the Life (just listen to who's singing lead in different sections), Donald and Walter wrote as a collaborative effort. According to Donald Fagen, the only song he wrote by himself was Barrytown. Generally, Donald would come up with an idea or germ of a song. He and Walter would bang ideas off each other and either flush out or finish the song together. I'm sure Walter's contribution and influence varied widely from song to song, but was immeasurably important. BTW, Rikki was an old girlfriend of Donald's.
Name: Me
again
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 20:32:12
Comments:
"Maybe Donald wrote the words, and they both contributed in the music."
Yeah, maybe. Anything's possible -- as long as you don't actually have the facts. But the facts in the present case are that it didn't and does not work that way.
But do please continue on with your speculations. Many people seem to find them more engaging than the truth.
Name: Me
Not Him
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 19:30:35
Comments:
Just because they share the writing credit, doesn't mean they each wrote the words. Bacharach and David, Elton John and Bernie Taupin, even Lennon and McCarthy. Those are all examples of partnerships, except the latter, where one wrote the words and the other the music. Maybe Donald wrote the words, and they both contributed in the music. Just by listening to the flow of the lyrics, one has to presume that each song was written by one hand at a time. Donald's solo albums are much closer to the feeling of Dan records than Walters. If 11TOW is a template, than I doubt if he wrote many of the lyrics for Dan's songs. Sorry for the anonymousness, but I just don't feel like getting thrown into this, too.
Name: Q
FLA......
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 18:23:28
Comments:
Gee wiz "Sociable", I wasn't taking sides and don't even know what the nature of this virtual struggle is - it just seemed like a funny post.
Yours wasn't bad either, but I didn't read your until afterwards.
The thesis of Pretel Logic "could be" that which you propose, but I doubt it because it does not fit the chronology of Walt's circumstances properly and some of the underlying conclusions your thesis presumes are based on a pattern that gels "ex-post date"(later).
But......... atleast you proposed a fun, if not facinating, concept.
So I ask,
what do the rest of the albums "mean"
And where does Walter assert himself - does he get an album to
"retort" ?These , of course, are simply rhetorical questions(and not aimed at you "Sociable" !)to keep the schtik(sp) going.
Anyway, I'm outa hea !!!!
Q
Name: another (different) anonymous poster
.
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 16:42:23
Comments:
Herm:
Not to offend you, but for one thing, you (and many others) often seem to forget that Donald did not write those songs alone. For starters.
Name: Sociable Hermit
And the award goes to...
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 16:25:29
Comments:
I'll go one step further, Q, Warren wins the award for the Biggest Anonymous Asshole. If you don't like my analysis, be man (or woman) enough to use your real name; all you're showing is how much of a little weasle you are. And a closed-minded one at that. Why is it beyond the realm of possiblity that I could be right about Pretzel Logic? I don't see you spinning your wheels coming up with anything better. Donald is a poet, at times masking his reality to come up with verse.
Grow up.
Later,
Herm
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 14:39:46
Comments:
Warren Sun definately wins for " Best Guestbook Sarcastic Spoof of the Year" award !
that was very well done, sir.
Q
Name: Buggaboo
@theend
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:56:52
Comments:
Dear unreal man dickhead:
You seem to be proud of the word dildo, I hope you have fun using it on yourself. Yeah, real men like dildos, HA! Please get off this planet!
At least I don't make lewd, childish and discriminating remarks about any particular member of society or think it's real funny to poke fun at them. The only one laughing is you, the rest are laughing at your stupidity.
Gee, you seem to get a little pissy when the tables are turned. I guess it's time to grow up and start acting like an adult wussboy!
Buggaboo
Name: Warren Sun
ouch!
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:47:47
Comments:
Hermit,So what your saying is that the whole Pretzel Logic record is about Donald telling Walter not to use drugs. Wishful thinking on your part. Man, what world are you living in?
Did you know that Black Cow is really a mixture of LSD and cocaine, and Donald is telling Walter not to drink it or he has to get outta here. Walter picks up the keys on the counter and heads to Rudy's to buy some more drugs. Josie is about Walter to. Good old Walt is selling all the girls in the hood herion but Donald is saying if Walt continue doing these things he's going to dance on his bones till he say's when. Do it again is also about how Walter is always smoking pot. The funny thing is during this whole time period Donald is sitting at home drinking his milk and eating his cookies.
Name: Real men like Steely Dan
@oh please.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:23:15
Comments:
Bugaboo...Your a MAN? What a wimp!!!!
Hey, Steely Dan means DILDO!!! Oh my GOD! Bugaboo what should we do? Are you going to destroy all your Steely Dan records now? Get a grip on life maggit. You don't deserve to be a Steely Dan fan. I bet you run for cover when the Royal Scam comes on the radio....don't do it without your fez on You PUSSY!
Name: Sociable Hermit
Addendum To Previous
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:16:49
Comments:
7. Through With Buzz: This just hit, although too late for the previous submission: What if Buzz was Don's nickname for Walt? "He takes all my money, you know I'm through with Buzz." "I remember when he took my girl. Drug her all around the world." Could that girl be Rikki? Maybe she had a fling with Walt, too, under the influence of drugs, and that indiscretion was what drove her away. Don says that he's cool about, except "when I'm in my room and it's late at night", meaning that's when his mind keeps rehashing the events and it really pisses him off, or that he misses Rikki's company in his bed at night.
This, coming right after "Parker's Band", where he realizes that having drugs in a band is no good makes sense. He's had it; it's decision making time, and he's tense. Listen to the anxiousness of the strings in the backround; you can sense the nevervousness. Shit, I can almost see him pacing in his room.Okay, now I REALLY have to go.
Later,
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
Pretzel Logic
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:00:29
Comments:
Hi,
Lately, Pretzel Logic has been taking kind of a beating in here; people accusing it of not being as strong as the rest of their catalogue. well, I'd like to ask everyone to relisten to it with one thought in mind: were the bulk of these songs written as Don's way of coping or speaking out about Walt's drug usage?
The whole album has always seemed dark and ominous to me, and in recent listenings, I've gathered some thoughts.1. Rikki: I'm not sure if this has anything to do with Walter directly. It seems to be about a younger girl who, on a whim, joined up with the band, perhaps Don himself, but the girl got a bit overwhelmed by the wild lifestyle and ran back to the safety of her home. She's young, because of the line, "you can write it in a letter to yourself". That seems a reference to a diary, and that is more a habit of teenage girls. She seems to be a groupie, ("I have a friend in town, he's heard your name.") Maybe Walt treated her roughly and Don felt empathy, ("We can drive down to slow hand road. Stay inside and play games, I don't know.")He's trying to make up for Walt's mistake.
2.Nite By Nite: Speaks for itself. People who live for the pleasure of now, without thoughts of the future. "Until my ship comes in", could mean success, the perfect woman, etc. Maybe this was a line uttered to Don by Walt, ("I don;t care whether it is wrong or if it's right."), and Don's trying to show him how stupid he's acting.
3. Any Major Dude: Don confronts Walt about his usage and the problems it's causing. Listen to the concern and sweetness in the opening, the accustic guitar, ("I never seen you looking so bad my funky one. You tell me your super fine mind has come undone."), and he says that it's noticable to anyone, (hence, the title). He tries to comfort him, ("when the demon is at your door, in the morning it won't be there no more"), he's saying you can get past the demons he feels the need to suppress with his drug usage. "I can tell you all you know, the where to go, the what to do. You can run but can't hide what's inside of you." What a beautiful line. He's trying to help his friend by saying, "I can give you a lot of advice, and you know what it all is, but it comes down to you wanting to do something. You have a problem, and you can't ignore it." The music itself is so easy and non-aggressive; it is a manifestation of his concern. this is not a fight just yet, it's a plea.
4. Barrytown: This is where it begins to get tense. "Though you're not my enemy, I like things the way they used to be. And though you'd like some company, I'm standing by myself, go play with someone else. I can see by what you carry, that you come from Barrytown." Maybe Walt said, "Yeah, you're right, fine. I'll stop", but was caught in the lie, ("Don't believe I'm taken in by stories that I have heard. I just read the daily news and believe every word." He's saying that the story of what Walt does is written all over him like a newspaper.) Don just had it and said, "I know things change; I can't expect you to be the same person, but if you're going to continue acting like this, join another band, because I don't want to deal with it." "What you carry", must mean he's got some drugs on him at the time, so Don knows he's been to Barrytown, (the part of town where users score). "A special lack of grace, you wear it on your face", is such a killer line.
This is where things get interesting.
5. East St.Louis Toodle-Do: A Duke Ellington standard. Duke's band was pretty well known for having some major players that were major users. Maybe Don is alone, (no vocals on this track), trying to affirm himself that there were indeed hugely successful bands that were populated with drug users, and that maybe he shouldn't be so scornful.
Then comes,
6. Parker's Band: (Which is a misnomer, since Parker never really had a "band", except later on when he toured in the mid fifties with Red Rodney, but even then, any band of his consisted of local players who knew his music inside and out. Which, oddly, is similar to Dan themselves - no complete band, just a lot of pick-ups.)
Anyway, this is where the idea of having a successful band with users is negated, when he reflects on Charlie Parker, one of the greatest geniuses of 20th century music. Drugs killed him, plain and simple. So,7. Through With Buzz: Maybe this is also part of the reflection: Could this be the resolution that he dreams with Walt? Walt saying that he is going to stop getting stoned?
8. Pretzel Logic: (The idea that you need drugs to keep you going, when in reality, it's the drugs that are causing you to deteriorate?) When did they stop touring, and could it be because of Walt's problems? He is Don, saying that he would love to go on tour, (the "traveling minstrel show" is Steely Dan and it's entourage). He's "dying to be a star and make them laugh, sound just like a record on a phonograph": he wants to be on stage and be the star and recreate the music on their albums, enjoy the life of a famous rock star, but, "those days are gone forever, over a long time ago." Maybe drugs were too common on the road, and it made life even more impossible. He wants to meet Napoleon, because Napoleon was a great conquerer, just like Don, (conquering music). And, also like Napoleon, he had everything that he wanted, but still felt lonely. It is, in itself, twisted logic. A famous band that doesn't tour; a rich emporor of many lands without a friend.
9. With A Gun: Sounds like Don meeting Walt's dealer, a guy who used to steal his drugs from an asylum and resell them, until he got caught. The idea that this guy sells drugs and carries a gun disgusts Don. ("Just give fair warning anytime you come around").
10. Charlie Freak: This is what Don thinks might end up happening to Walt if his behaviour isn't stopped. It devistates Don the degree that Walt has sunk, but he helps him anyway. Why? I don't know, but he shows his love and concern by giving back the ring.
11. Monkey In Your Soul: His last chance (on this record), to convince Walt. Listen to the funky backbeat, like Don is trying to talk to Walter on his own level, with his own words. You don't just have a monkey on your back, man, you have on in your soul. Your problem is deeply rooted. "Don't you think it was wrong to interrupt my song?" Don is wondering whether Walt feels any sense of the fact that he is also messing with Don's life. "I'll pack my bags and run so far from here", is his threat that he doesn't need this, and will just move on.
Speaking of moving on, I must go. I've been here for too long.
Please let me know of your feelings.Later
Herm
Name: Buggaboo
Ha!
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:47:08
Comments:
Doctor,
I don't know about dating Peter North unless he likes to date men. Maybe you could try dating Peter North. I think he'd be able to remove that rod that's permanently implanted in your behind.
Name: Clas
I'm a selffulfilling prophecy
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:34:12
Comments:
RubyBaby - the CD's are on their way. In your direction.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:22:15
Comments:
I haven't melt that yet Ole. You were actually DANCING on the stage?
Name: Elvis Costello
My Aim Is True
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:13:15
Comments:
How do you accidentally urinate on someone?
And, why "Skunk"? Was he thought to be marking his territory at the time? Did his urine stink? Was there a white stripe stretching down his penis? Could passing cars with their windows open get the odor trapped inside? When he peed, did he comment on his misfiring in a cute french accent, ala Pepe LePue?
I'm guessing that the "accident" occurred outdoors; when peeing inside, you are presented with such a large target, (urinal, toilet, trough...), that it is virtually impossible to pee on someone else. Did he wet his bed, thereby wetting someone else indirectly? Was it a well thought out plan with a possible political future in mind? "Skunk'll piss all over that legislation." I, for one, don't believe it was an accident. Has anyone thought of the possibility of a second urinator. In the grassy knoll, behind the bushes?
These and more, are all questions that Congress needs to ask.
I'm going to lay down now.
Herm
Name: Twisted Brother
.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 10:41:05
Comments:
Stranger.. some would call your logic twisted. Some would call it Pretzel Logic.
Name: TheStranger
logic lesson
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:52:11
Comments:
turn up the eagles,
lurkers tend to be peverts. share your perversions and you won't be lurking. understand the logic?
Name: Boy Wonder
red breast
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:19:59
Comments:
excerpt from SUCK rant:"While he managed to be "The
President of the United States" like nobody else in this half of
the century, Ronald Reagan always bore the scorn of
naysayers who were unhappy to have the nation led by an actor.
Those people should have looked ahead. In the end, there's
nothing very funny about Governor Ventura - or even watchable,
as is evidenced by the 58th-place Nielsen body slam given to
The Jesse Ventura Story. Owen Hart has been preempted from
wrestling his way into elective office in Ottawa, but we're
betting on a political career in the not-too-distant future for
Motor City Madman Ted Nugent, whose column in the Detroit News
has attracted a loyal readership - as well as sour-grapes
sniping from the putative rival Free Press (we'll support anything the Nuge tries as long as he keeps his name on delicious beef jerky products). Meanwhile, Alice Cooper drummer Neil Smith,
like Bill Clinton before him, has a burgeoning career in real
estate. Clinton's vice-grip sense of fun in many ways provides the political model for idiot-savants like Ventura and the Shine guy - a point that may explain why George Bush Jr. isn't going out of his way to quash rumors that he's a table-dancing coke fiend. Meanwhile, former Doobie Brothers guitarist Jeff "Skunk"
Baxter is mulling a run for Harvard-dweeb Brad Sherman's
seat in the California House of Representatives. For the record,
Baxter, a college dropout, who according to the defunct rock
magazine Creem, got his nickname from an unlucky person on whom
he once accidentally urinated, supports the National Rifle
Association and the ballistic missile defense system. And, presumably, doobies."
Name: Doctor
in the house
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:00:49
Comments:
Hey Bugaboo-- I think you need a date with Peter North. You're a little bit uptight and a good session with Peter should loosen you up a bit.
Name: Batman
sdfjk
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 07:44:59
Comments:
Joker, Suck.com is pretty big. Why don't you tell us how to find where the Skunk stuff is instead of just running off while we spend 2 hours trying to find it.
Name: joker comma the
or you can call me jOker, or you can call me joKEr....
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 07:15:53
Comments:
SECOND SIGHTING OF SAINT ALPHONZO IN A WEEK:
to corroborate Oleander's theory that there IS a St. Al, i have seen him descend out of the Shenandoahs, oleanders tucked behind his ears, to partake in a couple of manhattans and papaya shavings with the joker
[which, by the way, if anyone has or has not noticed, can be interspersed with any upper and lower-case denomination you prefer: i have no real preference. actually i like the "O" only in upper case, and only Freud knows why i do.......}anyhow, many thanks to oleander for launching his tour of our beautiful state in good spirits, and let's all hope he finally gets the good weather on the coast that he deserves.
i love the smell of petroleum products in the morning{JOkER]
p.s:skunk baxter gets mentioned in today's SUCK (www.suck.com)
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 06:26:58
Comments:
Hey Everybody- I just had to say .Oleander's Site is unbelievably
Cool! I heard references to it many times here on the GB and recently saw the URL and went there. It's now bookmarked and I'm enjoying it and it's links daily.
Oleander ,I knew you were Cool and Intelligent...but you knocked me on my ass. I'm now an even bigger fan of yours.In Awe, David
Name: Altoidia
verbal tubbescence
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 01:24:40
Comments:
Did someone mention an interdimensional god or was that just another egotistic dan fan on the lamb?
Pregidised,Altoi'
Name: where's wally?
pencils ready
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:33:02
Comments:
i'd like to think there's a little of him in all of us n'est pas?
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:26:13
Comments:
Ole Andersen - uhuhuhu!!! Snyft snyft, hmpffr.
Name: Original Lester
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:09:47
Comments:
I wish Donald sang "Peeeeeeeeeg" with the background singers on the Alive in America version of Peg, as he does on Aja. Minor detail, but I'll give them pointers wherever I can.
Name: tobermory
full of saki
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 23:26:52
Comments:
telebubbies swapping kitty stories on the sd page is proof that an interventionist god exists.
Name: teletubbie
wow that's a lot of reading!
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 21:14:04
Comments:
Boy do my eyes hurt! I haven't been able to read these pages in a while, and I had a lot of catching up to do. Please humor me if I touch on topics that are really old, but I just HAVE to put my 2 cents in...I myself have always found the movie,"The Producers," to be one of the funniest movies of all time. "Springtime for Hitler, and Germany! Winter for Poland, and France!" I have heard talk that they want to turn the movie into a Broadway show, because of the sucess of recent shows such as,"Victor, Victoria." I think that this would be wonderful, but wonder if it is possible in our PC concious times.
I myself have two kitties (of no relation to each other), and have found that they find the tv show,"Teletubbies," to be simply amazing. I'm sure that I seem pregidised in this fact, but I swear to you it's true. They become completly entranced with the television screen whenever I put it on. Buzz is pretty mellow anyway, being an older cat, but with Lorax, it is a frickin miracle. I swear this cat takes speed when I'm not home.
Jimmy Vivino, ahhhh. I mailed him some glow in the dark Valentine's Day boxer shorts once, as well as the other 6 members of the Max Weinburg 7, Joel the announcer guy, Andy Richter, and Conan O'Brien. This was back in the days when I was teenage, and foolish, and completly convinced that Conan was the man I was destined to marry. I got to meet them all later, on my birthday in fact, and told them who I was. They were all extremly good natured about it, and from then on I was known as "the underwear girl." I immediatly sent them all silk boxer shorts in appreciation. God, they must have thought me insane. Thank goodness this phase passed, and I am now happily engaged to a man who bears no resemblance to Conan O'Brien. I hope I am not the only goof out there to have done something so immensly nutty.
Favorite Movie Line: "A Yellow Submarine"
Ringo: "Liverpool can be a lonly place on a Saturday night. And it's only Thursday morning!"
Sorry for so much ear bending. I'll try to stay on schedule for now on.
tubbie
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:51:40
Comments:
maybe he is luking - what the hell do i know. I'm not a dick cavett wannabe like y'all
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:49:52
Comments:
lurking - too much shiraz - black opal.
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:48:02
Comments:
the rumour is that walter is luking here - he should give us some insight instead o fwallowing in all the pooooooooooooop.
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:45:24
Comments:
"turn up the eagles" hit it on the head. this board is for ego maniacs. "Let me show you how intellegent I am. . . If only you could hear me speak these words like I do."
take it somewhere else - like the WC with a mirror in hand - you'll never leave the house.
pseudointellegence does not = wisdom ya know.
Name: turn up the eagles
listening neighbour
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 19:56:58
Comments:
please don't take this the wrong way but i've been watching these pages for a while and quite a few of you have been here too long. you don't talk about sd and your personal stuff would be better through e-mail.
Name: Good King Richard
hungry for more
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 19:50:12
Comments:
Dr Mu: In the absence of Walmart in these 'ere parts, I'm having to resort to the e-cart people to take me out of the vinyl darkness of my beloved Katy. Good Queen Rich has given treasury approval, what with birthday coming up 'n all (remember Geminiis, this is OUR time)... just hope I don't have to wait too long for the crisp cymbals, the rim shots... robust and lyrical phrasing, the bodacious bass and the resounding and full-throated cries. I'm there... ready, willing and salivating (just slightly).
There's just one slight 'however'... With all the talk of Louis Jourdan and laterr day Jourdans: Setzer, Joe Jackson, Cherry Poppin' Daddies et al, this is what came up when I made enquiries as to the taste and discernment of the average SD buyer...
Click price to add to cart:
People who bought Katy Lied have also bought these albums:
C. Monteverdi
Ritonno D'luossr In Patria-Co CD $16.99C.P.E. Bach
Lieder & Oden CD $13.99Herman Melville
Moby Dick CD $18.49Danish Radio Concert Orch
Symphonies-Vol. 2 CD $13.99C. Gounod
Faust-Comp Opera CD $44.99M. Reger
Son Vln-Vol. 1 CD $11.99Terry Robb
Bethlehem Star-Christmas Guita CD $12.99Soul Parish
Journal Of Half-Wakened Dreams CD $12.99R. Burns
Complete Songs-Vol. 1 CD $14.99VA-Drew's Famous Jukebox Class
Drew's Famous Jukebox Classics CD $9.49Anyone like to own up?
Richard&kangaroos
Name: lucky henry
@your door
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 16:17:35
Comments:
Geena/Sociable Hermit: I enjoyed your and other comments about addictive disorders and depression, as i have recently begun volunteer work at a mental institution (i just hope they don't confuse me with one of the patients.)
Tipper Gore, who has publicly announced her own bout with depression, is chairing an upcoming conference on the topic.
Any Major Dude = Any M.D. "When the demon is at your door, in the mornin' he won't be there no-ooo mo-ore...."
the people on the streets have all seen better times,
lh.
Name: oleander
the fix is out
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 16:03:12
Comments:
Recovering from the Visitation of St. Al.... Like Venus on the half-shell, but more clad, he descended to our lovely mountains, radiant, with the lovely Missus St. at his side. Many highball glasses and desperate NASCAR searches later, on they cruised in their Dead-corated Caddy unto the ministrations of the jOkEr (or is it JoKeR? Sorry, man). I hope that I have fulfilled my Citizenly duties and passed muster as a keeper of the keeper of the flame.
Herm--Tell you what, if you can stand the glare, instead of cursing the darkness let's you & me go to the beach & peoplewatch. That's the part of a man that gets me swoony--ah, the dimples of Venus... and hands. Certain hands.
Music notes: Hej Clas, you shoulda stuck around! Went to see Bruce Hornsby Sunday night. At first, I was underwhelmed, but he warmed up and was really kickin' after a while. Needless to say, he did 3 Dead tunes ("Big Boss Man," "I Know You Rider," and "Wharf Rat"}, and a very affecting version of "End of the Innocence." The band was very good, and they made "That's The Way It Is" a totally funky groove. At the end, as is his wont, he invited the women up on the stage.... Well, at least I kept my clothes on. What a kick. I was between the bass & lead, the first & last time, I'm sure, I will have been on stage with a rock band. Clas, you may warm me up to this guy yet.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: at work,
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 14:13:48
Comments:
Laura,
Nice try, but even though I now have a grudging respect for Pretzel Logic, I'm still a long way from actually liking it!
Name: Buggaboo
I Know
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 13:47:57
Comments:
Netwatch,
You think I don't know this? Only a man would be as childish as to say something like that. That doesn't include all men, just the idiots.
Name: Netwatch
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 13:14:36
Comments:
"Laura" is a guy.
Name: Gallup
Giddy-up
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 12:11:47
Comments:
How many of you GB regulars are in NYC?
Name: TheStranger
while you're up, get me a bee gee
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:41:02
Comments:
geena,
look, disco uses drum machines! it's not music. it's third-rate engineering. don't you have a disco anonymous in your area? but i'll bet you look cute in your polyester disco gear.
Name: mao tse dan
shang high
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:29:11
Comments:
these warheads bill sold me are really cool. some other chinese guy pissed me off and so i snuck it into his bed. he wakes up just like that guy in the godfather with a horse's head. nuclear shit all over him. screamed his head off, man. cool. i got another one looks just like a cappucino machine.
Name: Buggaboo
@home
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:23:51
Comments:
You know Laura, it's assholes like you who never cease to amaze me. Please grow the fuck up and stop acting like a high school kid, and some high schools kids are more mature than you.
And you call yourself human?.....yeah right!
Name: Laura the lesbian
@lesbefriends.com
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:10:37
Comments:
Altimara- Don't be in a bad mood sweetheart. Why don't you come over to my place.We can put on the new re-mastered Pretzel Logic and lick each other.
Name: Hank Silvers
hanksilvers@dog.com
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:00:15
Comments:
carib capers: I don't sail, but the RS lyric says they wandered in from the city of St. John, not the island.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 09:11:35
Comments:
Clas - I apologize for my post on Sunday night; I was in a REALLY bad mood. I will be more careful in the future.
Sociable Hermit - I appreciate the recommendations regarding swing music. I was thinking about buying something by the Brian Setzer Orchestra since I really liked the Stray Cats, but now I won't. I think I'll just stick with Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 01:41:40
Comments:
Dr Mu – "...American Indian and Asian descent who because of genetic circumstances have low levels of alcohol dehydrogenase..."
I read that it's theirfore Asians don't have much problem with alcoholism. On the other hand, American Indians HAVE a great problem with alcoholism BECAUSE their low level of alcohol dehydrogenase. Don't make sense.
Social Hermit - for a second I thought you were our long lost friend mr Stewart from Alaska. No sweat.
Name: caribbean capers
man
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 22:30:49
Comments:
just to the right of puerto rico on the map you can find the island of st. john, right next to st. thomas. Doesn't anyone sail?
Name: mao tse dan
peeking
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:34:11
Comments:
hi,
i'm a friend from china. i think steely dan is really cool. got any nuclear secrets? my friend bill won't sell me any more right now. says the heat is on. why you keep trying to drop bombs on slobo dan? white people are really crazy. you hear the one about the chinese couple on their wedding night? bride says she wants number 69, groom says, what? you want beef with broccoli?
Name: DrMu
why do I bother?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:05:16
Comments:
Porcaro
sweetness
Name: DrMu
Was Jeff Procaro Cher's first of many 21 year olds?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 20:57:30
Comments:
After many mishaps at a time where I should be doing other things than tracking the mysterious whereabouts of the dream in green - there it was as I was doing my almost nightly odds & end duty between the pullups and the naproxen sodium reflecting of the badge of a blue-vested Czech princess with full auburn hair and figure. Only two weeks ago had my man Sam been pummelled to a shape resembling Beetle Bailey on a Sunday for showing me his ware on Monday - Pretzel Logic - remasterd...the 1995 version!!!! Off to cyberspace to take a ride in the cart of one on-line vendor who's stock is still sitting at 17, and that's before Black Monday. Ordered overnight both Pretzel and Katy. Then every other day I receive a more cryptic and pathetic set of excuses why the delivery has not been made, or even shipped. Pretzel arrived 6 days late, but the steeness I'd been waiting for was somewhere lost in the serpentine wholesale bucket brigade - then the gall to charge overnight for delayed deliveries. After e-mailing the said establishment and telling them to stick it in their Sigmoid Freud, the reflection - a vision of a child returning flashed before me in that polyethlene badge cover. I was swept on a vortex of ether aroung the ample posteriored high school girls wondering what Brittany Spears was wearing now...and there they were 2 copies ofthe re- re- mastered Katy Lied at fuckin' WALMART!
Put the Green in the machine and "the greatest Steely Dan album ever" graces my ears with new-found clarity and dynamic range. The liner notes and Dr. Wu nearly brought me to tears. The crisp cymbals, the rim shots of Porcaro, Omartian's robust and lyrical phrasing, the bodacious bass on Chain Lightning, the resounding and full-throated cries of Michael McDonald for "Rose Darling, my friend". Only traces of the dbx damping remain - you can hear a little shearing-type sound just before Dr. Wu. Holy fuck! This is great! The new one will come when it's ready - can't wait to read the liner notes!
Name: Geena
oops!
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 18:42:56
Comments:
OMIO: If you listen to too much Jimmy Buffet, not only do you become a parrot head, you become a member of the Banana Republic and a real mellow daddy!
TheStranger: I beg your forgiveness Sir! I must have been insane to have missed your post and not responded to you. How could I? That was a cruel and rotten thing for me to do, please let me make this up to you.
Now in answer to your question about Swing. Yes, I do like the old and new style of swing, but i feel that it may be a small fad to break up the monotony of today's music. We had disco in our day which evolved to dance music, then hip hop, etc. Then came the break where kids had nothing to dance to, so they reinvented swing. Help me out here, i'm drowning!
Jive Miguel: Stranger may tell you my mind has been entranced in disco music since my dancing queen days, and he's been trying biofeedback therapy on me to rid the evil boogie oogie oogie demons from infesting my brain cells. The Ohio Players were good in their day, I have the "Fire" album and it still rocks! Now how do I type that thrust sound? If you can get it, try....damn, I can't remember the name of the band, it'll come to me, but they sang "Grooveline". Machine is also great, you know....."Carmen and Carlos Vidal, just had a child, a lovely girl with a crooked smile....." former members of Dr. Buzzard's Original Savanah Band, and of course don't forget Parliament Funkadelics.
Sociable Hermit: Hey, I wasn't being surly, I was just funnin' ya!
In my culture Louis Prima is da bomb, but I adore Joe Jackson and have the Jumpin' Jive album, next to Night and Day, it's my second favorite. Have you ever heard Body and Soul and Big World?
Name: steely
danjor@total.net
Location: Montreal, QC CANADA
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 15:30:21
Comments:
I'm dull. I could listen to any Steely Dan repeatedly. I think that people who do not like SD were deprived of oxygen at birth and never developed.
Name: Freakin Puerto Rican
say what?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 15:14:04
Comments:
Jive: Go with rollercoaster. Now that is one heavy groove.
Another suggestion, try some Isly Bros. or Sly and the Family Stone.So long drummer dude from Nazareth. Now your messin' with...
can you believe the theme from Star Wars was accually played on the radio? What the hell were we thinking about in the 70's?
Did you hear Eddy Vedders new/old tune? Now that's funny!
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:53:23
Comments:
Michael: Keep ticking, OK?
Phil: Velkommen..
Swing: Woody Herman's Thundering Herd with 4 Bros. sax section..
& Fletcher Henderson..
Drugs & Hookers.. And you thought the GB was dead..
Cherry Poppin' Daddies: Got the feminists at the University of Oregon so wild they had to censor the band name on their first album to sell it in Eugene.. Honest.. it had "Censored Censored Daddies"..
See what happens when you listen to too much Jimmy Buffet..?
Name: TheStranger
swung
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:38:01
Comments:
that was really not a trick question about the new swing. i'm not sold on it either, but it is another way of joining rock with jazz, which is what st. dan does so much more creatively.
lots of brass instruments are wasted on recordings. i don't care how many tracks they use to record. it all gets funneled through a stereo with 2 speakers. 20 brass instruments playing together just sound like one melded noise. you sit there live and you will hear the 20 sounds from 20 instruments. count basie, ellington were geniuses, but they have a tough time proving it on a CD. give me something like the miles davis quintet instead.
we've got monica in l.a. so it's only fair newyork should take hillary. where's that put bill? kansas city?
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: SanDiego,
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:16:00
Comments:
Forget this swing junk!! I'm looking for some groovy disco funky stuff. Does anybody like the Ohio Players? I'm looking to but one of their new DTS CD's. Which one is better - "Honey" or "Fire"?
Any other recommendations?
Name: Sociable Hermit
One More Thing
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 13:47:45
Comments:
I should probably note that Rocket From The Crypt is more of a punk band than a swing band. The inclusion of horns sometimes gives it the feel of a jump band, and that is why I mentioned it with the rest.
Hope this did not cause any confusion or injuries.
Later,
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
Swing!
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 13:40:40
Comments:
Stranger: I'm a big fan of swing music, but mostly of that produced back in the 30's - 60's, like Goodman, Basie, Calloway; and the smaller groups of Louis Jordan and Louis Prima. As much as I try not to; I still find myself comparing anything new to the older bands. I do try to stay as open-minded as I can, though. If you're looking for some fun, pick up a Louis Prima CD, or, try looking for a Joe Jackson CD called "Jumpin' Jive" that came out about '80, or '81. That was a precurser to much of what is happening now.
Rereading this tells me that I probably did not answer your question about whether any of the new stuff is good. So, let me say, that I've heard some good stuff from all of the aforementioned groups, as well as Rocket From The Crypt. Brian Setzer Orchestra, however, doesn't seem like anything more to me than a cover band you'd hear at a VFW hall on Saturday night. The only major difference is that the lead instrument is a guitar, instead of say, a piano, or horn. All it does is create a more rock oriented sound, instead of a more traditional swing sound. This might appeal to some, but it doesn't do all that much for me. I like the horn arrangements, but it's just him and his rockabilly guitar that don't seem right to me.
But, you know, that's just me.
Later,
Herm
Name: DrMu
boys and girls are blowin'
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 11:58:40
Comments:
Stranger: YES, but they don't play that stuff 'round here. We brought it up a while ago (you can't tough that dial). Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Squirrel Nut Zippers (who are more eclectic) are pretty good. I like SNZ's recordings, but I bet BBVD is a better loive band (they play the intro to TNT NBA basketball - playoff time tonight - if I have the chance). Brian Setzer is OK, but I prefer the previous - would like to hear more.
Name: TheStranger
same forecast
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 10:55:32
Comments:
geena,
that's ok. ignore me and respond to your new british compadre who spells 'realize' with an s. i'll just sulk. BUT DOES ANYBODY LIKE ANY OF THE NEW SWING STUFF FROM BANDS LIKE CHERRY POPPIN DADDIES? ok, i'll stop shouting.
Name: fezo
justsaymaybe
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 09:48:23
Comments:
Drugs are . . . great. Coffee wakes me in the morning, soda perks me up after lunch, and when i get home a couple of beers mellow me out for evening.
What's that? We were talking about "drug" drugs? I think they are great too but alas they are illegal and, more importantly, can have lethal consequences in a hurry. Just ask River Phoneix or Len Bias.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Tuesday Is A Little Better
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 09:35:56
Comments:
Geena: Huh? I wasn't making light of you. I wasn't aware that it was YOUR "I Don't Like Mondays". Does that mean I owe you a royalty payment? Is that why you seemed so surly?
Speaking of surly....................
Clas: Mr Stewart???? Clue me in about what that's supposed to mean.
Bugaboo: Thanks for the assist.
To everyone else: I was not advocating the use of drugs: I was trying to rationalize the use of them; describing certain instances when a person would want to partake. Now, again, I am referring to casual use, not hardcore usage. Yes, I'm well aware of the dangers of drugs; I've seen what they've done to people like John Belushi, Kurt Cobain, etal. I was just playing Devil's Advocate, I'm not standing on the corner trying to sell to your kids.
Later,
Herm
Name: Buggaboo
@slamdance
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 07:16:10
Comments:
sorry, that was thier messages were NOT directed at you personally Clas.
Name: Buggaboo
@thedance
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 07:15:07
Comments:
Clas, there's no need to get your knickers in a twist. Sociable Hermit's and Altamira's messages were directed at your personally. Just goes to show what happens when one needs to get a life outside this message board. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, of which you seem to express here quite often yourself. The world does not revolve around you.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 03:47:14
Comments:
RubyBaby - "My Life As A Dog" is a Swedish film made by Lasse Hallström, "What's Eating Gilbert Grape", "Once Around" (now he's working on "The Ciderhouse Rules").
"My Life As A Dog" is a outstanding movie. MY life as a dog is just tragic.
Altamira/Social Hermit (mr Stewart?) - you're talking in your nighthats, but that's alright with me as long as you don't come charging down my street.
Name: Phil
Phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 22:42:15
Comments:
Hi guys!
Geena: Thanks for the welcome, I'm getting the hang of this Internet thing and I dare say I will have bored you all senseless by the end of the month. Good job I can't write as fast as I talk.
Roy Scam: Bee Gee lyrics? Unfortunately none of their songs came out on 45, so I can't slow them down to 33 1/3rd and get any sense out of them, but when you have three guys born in England with Australian passports singing about Massachusetts then what the hell.
On a flippant note, I bought a copy of "Sun Mountain" as an album in about 1985, and noticed it back in the shops the other day totally repackaged in bright new shiny CD format under a totally different title and sleeve design. I just hope and assume that all proceeds are being directed to their rightful owners!
Cheers,
Phil
Name: Madonna
criss-cross
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:57:40
Comments:
I've put on an English accent and baptized by first bastard, I mean beautiful child, as a Roman Catholic, even though I used its trappings for...uh... well, you know the name of this group.
Name: Geena
For SH: It's just another Frantic Monday
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:44:27
Comments:
Phil: Welcome! Don't worry about not understanding what we're talking about, just lurk for a few days and you'll catch on. If you want to find out about lyrics, check out Oleander's page at: http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
Sociable Hermit: If you making light of my "I Don't Like Mondays", sorry babe!
I agree with you on the subject of alcohol/drugs, some people can do it and some can never go near it. Sometimes alcohol/drugs are a faster and easier way to take the edge off and escape. Then for some it becomes a way of life, and it gets out of hand. It's much easier to buy alcohol than drugs, finding other ways to handle stress and life in general take a lot more effort, i.e., meditation and/or sports. What's worse is when a young adult begins the cycle because of peer pressure or family life, and then take it further into adult life, which in turn screws up their life, family and friends. I give a lot of credit and admire those who admit they have a problem and do something about it. I have many close friends in my life including my husband that have had substance abuse problems and with inner strength and help from their superior beings, they're overcome their addictions. I also know some who deny they have a problem and have totally destroyed their families. And yes, it's true anything can kill you if one overindulges, and they must realize that when it begins to control their life, it's time to stop, cut down or seek help. My opinion.
Altamira: yes, they are Bombadiers, thank you! I couldn't remember the name of them.
Name: Roy.Scam
16.kids.and.a.family.on.the.skids
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:03:42
Comments:
Phil: Banana Republican is a close friend of mine and I'm sure you're welcome and he appreciates your fulfilling his last 14%. If Pete Fogel says it's San Juan in Royal Scam, then bet the ranch on it.--For another look at the same scenario, listen to Bernstein and Sondheim's "America" from West Side Story. Same two cities. -- Since your explaining British pop songs, how about "I Got A Feeling", a simple sounding lyric that never made a lick of sense to me (was McCartney just stoned?). And who was Dr. Robert? And since you're representing all of the UK and associates, please explain "Marly Purt Drive" and "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
Michael C. Packard: Recover well and soon, please. Keep us advised of your progress back to full throttle. I see Packards older than you still going strong, all the time.
RS
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 18:06:03
Comments:
Sorry guys to butt in again, but I seem to recall I said that I don't understand what you are talking about. So I thought it might be a good idea to give you guys the low down on me, thus facillitating the interaction of the present interlocuter and your own sweet selves!
I became a Dan Fan after hearing "Reeling in the Years" at an impresssionable age, and carried the love of the music until I was old enough to purchase a basic sound system, whereupon I siphoned off a copy of their Greatest Hits, which confirmed that I had finally arrived.
The biggest problem over here and in Australia is the fact that both Messrs Fagen and Becker aren't British! I'm sure if they were, they would have received a lot more air time. So you must realise that with us we sometimes don't quite understand what you guys are on about in your lyrics (hence my query about St Johns!)
But we do our best in the 51st state, and hope that the next time you have a query about a British band's lyrics you come to me!!!
Once again all the best,
Phil
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 17:17:15
Comments:
Banana Republican,
Thank you for your advice on St Johns, I had a nice E-Mail back from Pete Fogel (the one and only) confirming that St Johns is actually San Juan in Pueto Rico, so I can satisfy the remaining 14% of your answer! Once again, thank you for taking the time to respond.
Apart from that, I am one of those people that never question Steely Dan lyrics, trusting that other people can work them out for me.
I hope to be able to understand what you are all saying soon,
Will keep in touch,
Phil
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 16:53:38
Comments:
John S.: no, yes
Jive Miguel: Spray runs parallel to the beach from Cape May to the north, for only about 4 blocks. I was at the corner of Spray and Long Branch. I really miss the sound of the waves (and my drunken neighbors) as I fall asleep each night. Now I listen to the hum of the baby monitor from my daughter's room. Thanks for the info on Rancho's - I'll try it for sure.
Name: mitch
dylan-simon
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 13:56:03
Comments:
THE under the roof tickets at star lake amphitheatre for Dylan and Paul Simon are 100 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: John S
say it aint so
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 13:46:29
Comments:
Peg- Is it true The Damned are breaking up because Hank Easton is joining another band?
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 12:48:04
Comments:
Ruby: Just post a sign on your block that says: "WARNING: This neighborhood is patrolled by Neighbors With Video Cameras. Your car & it's license number will be videotaped, and follow up calls will be made to the residence of registration. If this arrangement does not suit you, then take your business elsewhere.."
They'll move out in a week...
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: San Diego, CA,
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 12:29:30
Comments:
PEG: Thanks for your responces - you are too kind. It looks like I will be able to go to the Damned after all. I forgot Memorial Day was Monday and yes, I do have it off. I really appreciate your offer to get me on the list. I will email you later in the week as a reminder. I noticed on the web site that the gig is listed as Rockola/Steely Damned. Who is playing first? Also, what time is the Damned projected to take the stage? I always love it when you all play at the Catamaran. That place is so beautiful - very befitting of SD music. I saw you guys at the Del Mar Fair with my girlfriend last year and it is just not the same. She is finally 21 and I'm really excited for this Sunday!!
You like Nati's do you? My girlfriend really loves that place, I think it is just OK. I applied for a job there about a year ago. Have you ever tried Rancho's on Sunset Cliffs? Now that is some serious Mexican!! Where is Spray St? I live about 3 blocks from Dog Beach on Cable and Lotus. I like a lot - OB does *feel* right - I know what you mean.
Anyway, thanks again,
Jive Miguel from OBogota
Name: RubyBaby
breakf@st in America
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 11:21:32
Comments:
Thanks fezo for the advice. Believe me, I appreciate it. We will be the squeeky wheel, I suppose. There are a few complicating factors, but we'll work around those... Like the *grandma* keeps faking heart attacks, and the foster kids are caught in the middle, and they're black and are ready to holler "racism!" at the drop of a hat, and I have reason to believe they have at least one cop in their pocket. They have played this game before. I can see that timing is important here. I can wait. Documentation of certain events can't hurt. Just don't want to tip off the dirty cop(s), either. Still praying for these folks, anyway.Herm: These aren't like the Ladies of the Night in the movies. They're obnoxious. Your cave would suddenly seem way too small and then you'd really be mad at me. How about I name that new dance after you... *The Hermit*
Clas: is that a movie suggestion or are you telling me about your life?
Dr.Mu: I have Songs You Know By Heart. That's probably like a best of, but not as good as yours.
I try to live the *moderation in all things* way. It seems to work well. A small glass of red wine a day - I'm talking 3 or 4 ounces - has improved my digestion a lot. I swear by it. I can skip a few days and it's no biggie. The heart protection is a real plus.
From what I've seen and experienced, drugs is such a temporary way of dealing with stress, while actually adding to it. I think the only really good way is having a working relationship with The Man Upstairs, because as you talk & He listens, and He talks and you listen, the *peace which surpasses understanding* will come upon you and then you can eat stress for breakfast.rb
Name: DrMu
**
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 09:39:18
Comments:
David: I'm selective with my Buffett. Borrowed a few albums some years back, and along with my own media (through Riddles in the Sand) and made a very nice "best of" compilation. The cohesive albums are rare to me: Riddles in the Sand, A1A, Changes in Attitudes...but when he's on he's on. The songs Distantly in Love (I think that's the title), Come Monday, Biloxi, Banana Republics, Pirate Looks at Forty make you feel as if you were shooting the breeze talking about philosophy or life with Buffet at his beach house in Key West.
Herm, Altamira: I think it's part of the wanderlust thing that's imbedded in our genes. Unfortunately, there are numerous mental disorders such as depression and schizophrenia which are mind altering as well. All of us who are not afflicted should just give thanks that we are not so. Many of the recreational drugs including alcohol can lead to mental imbalances (take Brian Wilson, for instance). Thus my best advice is to limit partaking and enjoy a sound mind. Note: alcohol is integrated in many cultures because of its long history as a social substance and a preservative (there was life before refrigerators). Most of us are made to handle physiologically at least small amounts of it (it can be found in trace amounts in food), and red wine even protects the heart as Clas mentioned! It's toughest on some people, especially but not always of American Indian and Asian descent who because of genetic circumstances have low levels of alcohol dehydrogenase, an enzyme which breaks down alcohol in the liver. I read that many alcoholics have low levels of this enzyme (haven't followed that up). Our culture has become less of one that looks fondly upon moderation. Jerry Springer would not have been popular among my grandmother's crowd.
Michael: That has to be the first post from someone hooked up to an i.v. Hang in there! Hope you sternum agony is history and your pumped with aspirin, TPA, and streptokinase. Just don't get a paper cut!
Name: TheStranger
l.a. forceast for all of may and june --slightly cloudy this morning turning to sunshine
this afternoon. high in mid 70s
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 09:38:15
Comments:
geena,
i'm a dylan fan. but he's like babe ruth swinging for the fences. lots of homers, lots of strikeouts.new cd barometer: this morning feels like never. but rhett, where shall i go? what shall i do?
anybody like any of this new swing stuff?
Name: Sociable Hermit
I Don't Like Mondays (Can One Get More Cliche?)
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 08:55:58
Comments:
Hello,
Let's not get too sanctamonious here; I really don't think that Altimera was suggesting that everyone should take drugs. What she said was that sometimes it takes the edge off of an otherwise harsh situation. No, Clas, if it's fucking up your family and fucking up your life, then one shouldn't do it. She never said to take drugs on a regular basis so it interferes with your job/life/relationships. Let's not be so smug as to think that everyone's problems can be mollified or abated by exercise and pure thoughts.
I feel that humans in general have a need alter their subconciousness, whether it be by drinking, drugs, adreneline rushes,(extreme sports, whatever the hell that is), meditation, or, when we were kids, spinning in circles until we fall down. Everyone chooses what works best for them. Sometimes, after a while, they realize that what they chose was not actually all that good for them, and they cease, but if they have that need for alteration, I'll bet you that they move on to something else.
Yeah, drugs can kill you. But so can overeating; stress from a shitty job; driving too fast; driving too slow; having sex...I myself indulged heavily when I was younger, but I grew out of it, and now my only vice (In that regard, at least), is alcohol. And there's nothing wrong with my life, other than the fact that I go by the name of Sociable Hermit and I purport to live in a cave, and have seasonal depression, and I...
I gotta go find a dealer.
Later,
Herm
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 08:19:21
Comments:
DrMu- I use Buffett's Fruitcakes CD for my first Break on many gigs. I like his versions of the Kinks "Sunny Afternoon" and Patsy Cline's "she's got you" Also" Love in the Library" and some others ... I was never a Fan of his 'till i moved here 5 years ago. The Guy can craft some songs...and having Russ Kunkel produce doesn't hurt.
Altamira- Did I say welcome to you? Pardon me please...and that goes for anyone else new to these spaces .
Hello to everyone here while i'm at it!
I checked the new chat out and it works ,but wasn't any Improvement ...just another minor learning curve.
David
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 05:36:23
Comments:
Peter,
I've been posting a lot about the "Skunk thing" because:
1) He's the only ex or current member of Steely Dan who's in the news right now.
2) This board is normally preoccupied with gun control advocates and political analysts, and his campaign touches on both of these subjects.But you are right, there is going to be a lot of press about his candidacy in the papers just because of his background, which needs not be reported here unless Don & Walt decide to do a charity concert in support - can you imagine a black tie, $500 a seat gala event - maybe Michael McDonald could sit in. Which of you would go?
Keep holding out - the time to release gets shorter every day.
P.S. Love your suit.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 02:33:55
Comments:
Thanks Altamira, now I can drink my beers without any remorse. I fuck up my friends, my son, my wife, my firm.
But what the hell, I feel good.
RubyBaby - My Life As A Dog.
Stephen L. Levine - I was there. So it WAS that fella from the Band. He had a red nose and a red bass and I thought he'd never stop playing.
Name: A train
i'll take twister for a thousand alex
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 23:02:31
Comments:
AnneAltaMira
Substances. Generally, I find that they can sometimes take that fine, taut line and sort of shorten it/widen it. Same mass, reconfigured. Course, I suppose it could also then, just become a big dot.
Anybody familiar with the Aluminum Group?
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 22:16:11
Comments:
Geena - So your kitties aren't related? Then they are to be especially commended for getting along well. I've heard good things about U2, so I might want to buy one of their CDs to keep the cats happy. The little darlings have broken all the branches off my beloved old poinsettia and dislodged the eyes from the doll my mother was given for her sixth birthday in 1926, so anything that might settle them down would be highly welcomed by me.
So you live in Boston; that helps, I can look up your city in the FAQ maintained by my transit list. If your new rolling stock was made in Canada, it is probably from Bombardier, a company that makes excellent rail vehicles. It was founded by Jacques Bombardier, who invented the snowmobile in 1956. They are called skidoos in Canada, where they're very popular and pretty much the glue that holds communities together in certain far-flung regions.
I don't think the park by the Washington Monument (which looks quite spiffy in its new blue cladding) has a name. However, all of our local squirrels are used to humans feeding them and tend to be quite aggressive about demanding food.
Michael - best of luck with your recovery from heart surgery; it sounds as though all is going well for you. I like "I Got the News" too; a bright, positive song.
Hank Silvers - You're welcome; I always try to make myself useful.
Peter North - Hey, don't come here. Our representatives can't vote - talk about taxation without representation! (and we do talk about it)
Fezo - This whole thing reminds me of the battle we've waged in my neighborhood to get rid of prostitutes. We finally seem to be making some progress, so it can be done.
Banana Republican - Of course it's San Juan, there are many references in the text that point to Puerto Rico.
Roy Scam - Thanks for your warning. My friend recommended the Eels on his deathbed, so I had been thinking about buying that CD. From what you have written, I can see where it would have appealed to my friend in the position he was in, However, I think I should wait a while before I buy it, which I will eventually, since I don't want to disregard my friend's advice.
I can't quite figure what's going on with the list; I had thought that I had seen a post commenting on what I wrote about Lowell George, and now I can't find it. Anyway, I will respond here. Yes, it's not PC or cool, or, I guess, even legal to say this, but sometimes life just gets so rough that one does feel the need for some chemical substances to make it all bearable. Yes, they shorten one's life, but they make that life easier to deal with. It's a tradeoff. So, flame me or sue me or something; that's my take on this. I meant exactly what I wrote.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Ohhhhhh
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 20:01:56
Comments:
Ruby: Yeah, I'm mad. Real mad. And the only way you can rectify this mishap is to send all the prostitutes to my cave. That'll teach you. Maybe it'll teach me, too.
Herm
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:49:34
Comments:
Stevey babe. (I call everyone babe because I am a record producer) that was the most exciting 15 minutes in my concert going career (hundreds of major concerts) people were screaming so loud, as if their life depended on it, it was trancendant. i actually looked down to see if my feet were still on the ground.
i treasure all those shows - metheny , chaka, p. snow, dr. John, mr vivino, chris zinggs brother (i call him chris zingg the delaware) crack musicians sweating and pumping out music from the best songbook in the world - who cares if there was a miscue or two it was 100000 time better that the tours.
jaco
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:39:41
Comments:
Wow I am honored to think that someone would guess my birthday as a release date for the release of "Freaks of Nature" and by golly they'd be fools not to use the xmas season to bolster sales as the older your fan base is the less likly they are to visit record shops - so put it on your xmas list and have your hacky-sacking, trenchcoat-wearing offspring buy it for you. however, I think that they will probably wait until april, may or june, to help kick off a tour. i'll say May 30 - close to my half birthday.
If it ever comes out. I heard that donald is pissed that walter insists on wearing dresses, heels, full makeup, and pearls to all recording sessions. "Call me Millicent."
hey, they named a cake after me at a local restaurant this week. CJ's four layer CHOCOLATE ORANGE EMULSION cake with chocolate/ orange mousse and topped with chocolate ganache with a hint of grand marnier 100. Wow! $4. soldout faster than any cake ever!
i talked to the janitor at SD's recording studio - Pat metheny was in on one cut.
Req: spell check on sign in stranger.
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Name: Stephen L. Levine
slv@aol.com
Location: Bethpage, NY USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:34:59
Comments:
jk- I was at that show at the Lonestar in '90 or '91. Remember how the crowd went nuts when Walter came up to play? Oh yes, Jimmy Vivino was great! The way he put the "Waltman" on the spot like that. Come to think of it, Vivino played that Steely Dan stuff pretty darn good! He would make a good player for them to use live. How many of those Lonestar shows did you see? I know there was at least 5 or 6 of them. I also caught the show Metheny did with Fagen. It was pure magic. I also remember Rick Danko from "The Band" jamming with Pheobe Snow, Vivino, Anne Ross and a bunch of other great people. Those shows were amazing! I don't think the place even sat more then 400 people.Cheers
Name: Geena
I don't like Mondays
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:09:13
Comments:
Michael: Sorry to hear of your illness and I hope you get better real soon. I have a question: Weren't you just a little scared that the surgeons would start dancing and singing while doing surgery on your heart and not paying attention to what they were doing? glad everything turned out alright and get well!
Hank Silvers: Moi? old? I still feel like I'm 18 and yes, you better rephrase that and soon! Almost all of my albums have the "For Promotion Only" stamps on them. I also have a lot of great music thanks to format changes. I have since replaced some of them for the CD version and I couldn't even give them away to used record dealers.Jk: Hey homeboy, you're from MA too?
Fezo: It is my house that now beholds that splendid yellow patch of grass.RubyBaby: sounds like my neighborhood. Listen to Fezo. I did the same thing. I harrassed the cops and got some of the neighbors to do it as well. If you're local police station has a community service department, bug them too. In my neck o the woods it was neglectful parents who kept their young children outside until 2AM. Some of them weren't even home and some of them are substance abusers. It wasn't until DSS woke them out of bed during the daylight hours and slapped them with citations that they smartened up a bit.
There's nothing wrong with getting older, we're just getting mellower and smarter. Age is just a number.
Stranger: It's only because it's Dylan, that his album got rave reviews. Don't get me wrong, I like his music, but when there is nothing else going on in the music biz, they zero in on a sure bet.
Altamira: If Ozzie doesn't work , try U2's "Boy" album. Mine are particularly fond of Paranoid. No, they're not related, 2 of them were strays that found us and my little girl was given to me by my Dad.
Boston got rid of their 1920 clunkers and replaced them with new ones, I'm not sure if they're Boeings, but I know they were made in Canada and I just can't remember the name right now. They do take the old ones out of retirement once in a while. Hey, I was in DC a few years ago and I remember a squirrel chasing me through the park that comes out to the Washington Monument (don't remember the name of the park either, ah memory!). He must have thought that I had food or I was food!
Name: Michael C. Packard
mcpio@inu.net
Location: ". . .any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you . .
.com---in the Pineywoods Forest of Deep East Texas, USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 17:27:25
Comments:
Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!!
Well, truly as Walt and Don predicted---". . .living hard will take it's toll. . ." as I have just last week had heart surgery.
No, nothing to get real alarmed about, as I in my 'will' I have designated KatyDanFan as my executor of Steely Dan 'stuff', but she will probably hoard it all to herself. No, truly, she is genuine----the 'real deal' and special. El Supremo should watch out, as those who are lurking might just take the chance!
Oleander, yes---the gold MFSL "Kamakiriad" is my contribution to the one who correctly predicts the release of the "New One".
My prediction is December 1, 1999---so, please log this in your book, kiddo.
Chris, I am still working on the stuff for you, but the hospital and ambulance drivers (paramedics) said 'what' when I told them I wanted them to put in my Steely Dan tape of "Katy Lied" when they transported me from one hospital to another. I was crying, as I am only 46-----why me?
Oh, enough of the BS empathetical osmosis (like that Oleander?)
But, when they were doing surgery, I insisted on them playing my tape of "Live In St. Louis, 1993", a 'boot", and they did.At one point the surgeons and nurses were horizontal, and I was 'vertical' several times. I know this is not possible, as I did not hear any 'lifting' noise to indicate that I had been lifted up---'out-of-body' experience, KatyDanFan???
I can't wait to meet you all (if I do make it to you)!
All My Love,
And Sorry For The News---but I do like "I Got The News"
Saludos My GB'ers Friends!
Your Only Michael
; )
Name: Hank Silvers
@ the second derangement
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:50:55
Comments:
Geena: Yes, radio's low pay and low respect was somewhat made up for by the high likelihood of getting good music cheap. That's one of my favorite radio memories; the periodic dumping of non-format albums with that golden "For Promotion Only" stamp. I came into possession of lots of good music that way (John Hiatt, Steve Earle, China Crisis, many more). And the term "whippersnapper"? No, no, that wasn't meant for you, since I know you're too old to be a whippersnapper...um, uh, let me rephrase that...
DrMu: re: "rock ... with a slide or pedal steel" -- hmm, give the New Country people a few jazz chords, and they'll be heading toward where SD was 25 years ago...
Altamira: thanks for helping some little ones who needed it.
jk: For discussion about St. Augustine, try oleander's splendid pages at http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm. For that matter, try them for lots of cool stuff about SD lyrics.
Name: Peter North
In the Morning I go gunnin'
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:30:32
Comments:
jk- no idea what you're talking about.
Still holding on to my wad until Two Against Nature comes out.
Missing you all dearly, but you've got to stop dwelling on this Skunk thing. Actually, I should move to his district and try to run against him. But wait, wouldn't I have to go to Washington, then? That's no place to keep my epic film career going. Hmmm, I'll have to think long and hard.
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:26:09
Comments:
remember the first time donald and walter played a sd song in public since 74. Jimmy vivino was pleading walter to just play the solo . . . just the solo. And walt had to go back to put on his sw