Name: TheStranger
memorial day
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:39:53
Comments:
well, i hope nobody got killed or arrested over the holiday weekend. we actually had a pleasant one topped off by nice party of mostly ex-hippies who are now mostly rich and living in topanga canyon, which is a 60s time capsule near malibu. i am sure don and walt spent the weekend polishing off the last track of their new cd.
'election' is a rather good movie.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...let's see, no, I'm almost sure I'm not related to TheKittyDanFan..."
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:36:49
Comments:
Is it just PA or is it hot everywhere this weekend? It's like the middle of summer here.DanMoment: Today I drove with someone in my car who wasn't going to embrace my SD tapes, so I switched to a jazz station out of Philadelphia. Within five minutes they were playing "Hey Nineteen!" I turned it up, smiling and singing along, and my passenger was never the wiser.
Babbler: Nice to hear from you. Thanks for identifying yourself as one of our "eavesdroppers." Will all other eavesdroppers now step forward, please? (We're actually looking for someone who bears resemblance to Don or Walt.)
Does anyone know if the bass player Tom Barney is still around, and will he be available for any tour that may take place in the near future? I'm asking because I know Walter Becker says he doesn't even want to play if Tom isn't there. So what are we going to do if something happens to this guy? Is anyone bothering to keep him in a safe place??
Schwinn: Welcome back, where've you been?
El Supremo: It's awfully lonely in here without you! ILYM!
Just Katy :)
Name: te1etubbie
te1etubbie@webtv.net
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 21:00:46
Comments:
In re: to Babbler- Nothing gets me more on the rampage than sampling. I think it is a shameless practice that enables no talent plagurists the opportunity to impress a less knowledgable audience with musical ability that they do not possess, nor problebly could ever hope to attain. I shall never forget the first time I saw a commercial for,"Bullworth." The ad kept playing a tune in the background that I could recognize, yet not quite put my finger upon. I continued to hum the ditty for the next two hours, until I finally realized, much to my horror, that the song in question was a much mutilated,"Islands In The Stream." I was even more mortified when I heard this new 'song' in it's entirity, and realized that all of maybe ten words from the original version had been changed. Now don't get me wrong, I am not some huge Kenny Rodgers, Dolly Parton fan (although there would be nothing wrong with that), but at least when they recorded this song it was an original arrangement. I hate listening to the genius of Steely Dan being butchered in a synthesized piece of garbage, and then having these hatchet men profit from it. Several of my friends are fans of rap music (obviously I am not), and it makes me weep when they are exposed to these mere snipets, without getting the true experience of the original, beautiful product. I only hope that this horrendous trend in current music ends soon. --- o-:(
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ontario Canada
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 20:49:38
Comments:
It seems like ages since I've signed in - When "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" was played repeatedly on AM radio in 1974, it went from a favourite song to a reviled tune by most of my friends. It started to wear on me after a while, but a chap I worked with who was a great jazz guitarist at the tender age of 23 would always crank up the radio when it came on because of the great guitar solo. He felt it was such an infectios piece of playing (by Dnny Diaz I presume?)and it has stuck with me to this day. When I compare it to the opening of "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" and the vibrophone or whatever it is that starts off the tune, and the guitar work in "I Got The News," it's no wonder SD still has me spellbound. And DF's lyrics to tie it all together.
Ruby - Drop me a signal, and tell me about your travel. Keep the faith SD disciples - our wait will soon be over.
Razor
Name: Aaron Lowry
pox_takmar@hotmail.com
Location: Belleville, IL USA
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 15:52:05
Comments:
Nothing witty to report; I'm just a huge fan who can't wait for the next album... take your time, though, boys... we appreciate your perfectionist ways.
Name: PretzelLogician
@PortRoyaleScam.edu
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 12:22:32
Comments:
Monkey see, Monkey do, FYI:
Monkey In Your Soul's about philistine taste,
Fagen's father's the bookkeeper in Don't Take Me Alive.
Name: Clas
Stevie Window! Yeah, c'mon Tina!
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 07:07:45
Comments:
SCHWINN - "Also, quit being so mean to Roy"
?
Roy? I'm not mean to Roy.
And Pompe is fine. There's a lot of barking in the car though.
RubyBaby - no more blues?
Name: backroom
babbler
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 at 04:09:37
Comments:
on who wrote what- 'everything you did' sounds like walter to me while 'royal scam ' smells of donald
on sd gripes- isn't it a little insulting the way they repackage the same material over &over again
on wish lists ( apart from the new one )- i wish the box set had included 'true companion' (which i don't have) instead of 2 versions of 'gone to the movies'
on trivia- does anyone know who introduces 'bhodisattva' on 'citizen'? i'm sure there's a story there
on sampling- i wonder what people think of the recent sd sampled songs (one used rikki and the other show biz kids)?
on this page- i enjoy listening in - i don't spent much time on the computer but apprecate your conversation
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:55:43
Comments:
PS I forgot the most important thing. Changes to www.steelydan.com contest winners not yet announced. No new info on the new one. A Ask Mr. Clam feature
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:31:37
Comments:
Mass:
The Student Prince was the original name of what is now the bar. The Fort was the large dinning room added thereafter in memory of the original settlement in Springfield, which makes sense, since it is on Fort Street. Since then it has been known as The Student Prince/The Fort. Check it out at www.studentprince.com They use Javanet as well.
Name: TheStranger
compiling military history
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 13:17:52
Comments:
alta,
lots of people were getting drafted in '69. we know what clinton did. how did fagen stay out?
Name: RubyBaby
I wanna hold your hand
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 12:42:31
Comments:
Clas: I almost said hej do to *KittyDanFan* but I didn't know if you cared to be given away. I'll meet you at the Fountain of Ensam Hjarta. But we won't stay there.OMIO: Thanks for the interesting sign idea. It would be fun to just drive 'em out of business! It's not like they aren't already on the Welfare.
Phil: Are you new around here? Glad to make your accquaintance. Tell me something about yourself. What's the first thing you usually think of when you wake up? Or is it different every day?
rb
Name: Sociable Retard
da
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 09:13:05
Comments:
Oleander, do you like reading me to?
Name: Mass. forever
rock it
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 08:05:54
Comments:
is it the student price or the fort?
who knows?
Name: Schwinn
ultratrout
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 03:55:27
Comments:
Clas! My Swedish friend! Just knowing that you would have sprung me from the slammer has given me infinite joy. Infinite joy being very similar to a hack-saw blade in a cake. Thanks!
Also, quit being so mean to Roy. You always mess with him when you are at work.
Marimba Memorial,SEMB
P.S. How is Great Danny? I mean Pompe.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 at 02:30:06
Comments:
I can't believe this, where's my head? Last time I posted, I used the name "The KittyDanFan". That girl has really twisted my mind, or is it the Seroxat? Or am I just growing old?
So, Ruby, where's the fountain?
Rikki without the marimba is like love without kisses. Or coffee without cream. Or sugar.
Hi Schwinn - I could have bailed you out.
Ole Andersen - did Bru (yes, we who knows that guy calls him Bru)meantion me during the concert? Or his aunt?
Name: Schwinn
jailbreak
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 23:02:09
Comments:
Roy
Granted, listening enjoyment is a personal experience, but I've always felt the "marimba noodling" at the beginning of Rikki set the tone for the other-worldly elements of not only that particular song, but for the album as a whole. I put it right there with the "gong" at the end of Parker's Band and the "Marimba-similar" distortion at the close of Through With Buzz. I was always told never to change my first answer in a multiple choice test and I feel it was a mistake to remove this material from the recording.
But That's Just Me,
SEMB
Name: oleander
over but not out
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 22:50:07
Comments:
Yikes--Check out the ODP. New advice column with some choice words--especially "unassailable" info that there will be NO tour this summer (as if we didn't already know).
Name: oleander
one flew over
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 22:29:59
Comments:
Herm--Take no heed of those who snivel and snipe and try to kneecap you. They can just fuck off. I like to read you, and I sure as hell would like to hear your jazz collection.
GKJ--Damn! We must institute a Steely Rapid Response Team! Within a few hour radius you had a half-dozen DanFans who would drop all responsibilities and speed to your side for an impromptu DanFest and rescue mission.
Midnite--Asheville & the Triangle. Not far from you at all. And if you are ever up this way, don't languish as GKJ did, but e me.
Zeke--What up, my cajun hero? How was Telluride? What are you cooking these days? You and lisa should have a recipe duel. My page is at http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm, and thanx for asking.
Alta--That's the book. You'd mentioned that you got steered to it via Gibson (about whom I am nuts). Liked what you said about Mr. Becker.
lucky--can't wait!
jOka--The Freudian O, eh? Know it well. Would love to rehang with you sometime.
RS--now I'm going to be singing that damn song all night. Thanks a LOT.
Name: Beyond Warwick
rubadubdub
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 21:30:36
Comments:
Swabby--please send me your e-mail address.
Thank You,
Beyond
Name: lucky henry
lost @gain for good
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 18:32:47
Comments:
Herm: Pretzel Logic, being one of my "Expedition tapes" i've hiked up hillsides with Charlie Freak in my head, which, when it occurred to me at the time, sent a bone-chilling stir down my spine. Must be the E-minor.
Skunk (n) L. skúnk. 1. a nocturnal mammal whose defensive mechanism is its aroma 2. the atmosphere in a stuffy, hot studio in which is resident one Jeff Baxter, after a hearty meal of refried beans and beef burritos with Spanish rice, and nine stinkin' hours of playing the same thing over and over again 3. Pépé le Peu.
oleander: when i get my next roll of film back, i'll have a shot of Barrytown for you, and a couple of hackers looking at Any Major Dude...
Phil: They (the proceeds, et. al.) are not.
hello, Walt.
Sue me if i stray from song,
lh.
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 16:24:00
Comments:
Lew Chang: I got your E-Mail, thank you! Do you really know Adam Gilchrist? I watched him bat against Bangladesh the other day...phew! He took 'em apart!!
I hope that Australia makes the "Super Six" because I am looking foward to England carving you guys up... Goughy taking a hatrick, whaddaya reckon?
Quite seriously, I do hope Aussie makes it to the final rounds...I still reckon Damien Fleming is the best bowler in the world - but what do you reckon about that Pakistani bowler, Shoab Akhtar? They have already timed him at 98 mph...shit, what can he do when he is REALLY going for it??!!
Come on aussie, but wait until we thrash you,
Phil
Name: RubyBaby
i like mine with lettuce & tom@to
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 14:37:54
Comments:
I've been outta town all week, no laptop & no net access. I was so busy I didn't have time for withdrawls. But I missed you all. I thought about you on the plane. One thought led to another and I ended up writing a letter to Kevin Costner that I'm not sending. Look what you've done to me! I've come to accept this phenomenon.There's no way I can catch up on all the stuff you guys posted. But I'm having fun trying!
SDMoment: I got off the plane yesterday afternoon and what is playing over the PA but Your Gold Teeth II. It was perfect - until they interrupted it for the Spanish version of "...for your safety please do not accept packages from strangers and keep your luggage with you at all times yaddablahblahblah..." But it resumed in time for the sublime instrumental section, only to be cut off again by a lounge song Bill Murray would do on SNL. Sheesh, I'm home!
KittyDanFan: I'll meet you at the fountain. I'll be the one drinking a Vernor's while I'm wading & singing Hey 19. How will I know you?
rb
Name: yeow
check it out
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 08:27:16
Comments:
Item #110450236 on ebay
Name: Roy.Scam
hillary.hillary.hillary.hillary.life.is.but.a.dream
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 06:59:53
Comments:
Steve V: Your mention of "Monkey In Your Soul" reminded me of a great film that I forgot to mention when we were spouting favorites a while ago: Ken Russel's "Altered States" which does a fine job of embracing some of Steely Dan's favorite subjects, e.g., science fiction, drug use, the arrogance of academia, the dangers of introspection, returning to the primitive for insight, the metaphysical importance of sex and love, and , of course, that monkey that lives in your soul. That, plus the fact that the music is beautiful, strange and understated , the visual effects are Kubrick-caliber and there's some excellent nudity.
My other daily opinion: "Rikki" is a better song without the marimba noodling at the beginning. In fact, I'd have liked it better if they skipped that rudimentary bass line and started the song with the one keyboard chord and Fagen's terrific vocal. But, who am I to second guess their most commercially succesful song?
Does the Today Show ad theme sound like "Time Out of Mind" to anyone else?
Alt: The middle piano solo in "Fire In the Hole" is a favorite of mine. It makes me think of that old 'little boys shouldn't smoke' cartoon. I get the feeling Cab Calloway would have loved it too.
RS
Name: Lew Chang
peterliz@rivers.aunz.net.
Location: Wyrallia, NSW Australia
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 05:51:58
Comments:
Hi from Australia! Well thanks Ong Sang Irish for the info on the new CD. Being a Dan fan for 25 years now i`m always hanging out for new material from the man { Mr Fagen of course.}-----------By from Down Under.----------Hey Ruby! keep writing
Name: Steve V.
@old school lyrics
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 01:33:06
Comments:
re: Pretzel Logic lyrics interpretations (in my humble opinion)...
'Rikki'-obssessive Prof. type of upstate NY college eyes young student..
'Barrytown'-college band (in upstate NY) plays gig near cult based town....
'Through With Buzz'-guy tries to swear off his 'habit'
'Petzel Logic'-nerdy student (from Passaic) reads up on Hitler and the occult....
'Charlie freak'-Burroughsian tale of a street person who pawns his ring for a fix
'Monkey In Your Soul'-Fagen and Becker zing their record co. 'I've got one (album) and you want four.....' lyrical sequel to 'Show Biz Kids'.......gotta go-Happy memorial Day!!!!!!!!!!enjoy the bbq and baseball.......
does anyone know where the mastertapes to the 'new' one are.....I hope they're not sittting in the sun somewhere..........
Name: The KittyDanFan
@ work
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 01:15:08
Comments:
Hi Zeke!
JustKaty - it was a plae... a pliss... a plees...
It was nice doing it.
RubyBaby - could you meet me at the fountain? I'm lost.
Herm - that was way overboard honey.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...everyone ok in here?..."
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 22:41:40
Comments:
*A Very Happy and Safe Memorial Day Weekend to All GBers!!*
O Michael: Was great talking to you via Ma Bell and knowing you're doing well following surgery! You do know of course *we* are counting on you to at least visit if not move in with us someday soon. :) You can stay in this room we've prepared for you and all your SD related items *grin* Thank you so much for the honor you gave me, but please, don't scare me like that again!
Herm: I believe you, I have enjoyed reading your *truly Herm* posts lately and I'm glad you've been gettting out of the cave. Actually I was quite fascinated by your take on all those songs I do love so much, and it all made sense to me, too. I could see it. Notwithstanding the inconsistency with some apparent facts, still....just wanted you to know, I for one, was impressed with your getting all of that together. As Ole said, you may take the award for lyric interpreter of the millenium.
For the record, I love the Boston Rag and Everyone's Gone to the Movies as well. (Is there an SD song I don't love? Yes, just a few though.)
Lately, though, I've been so taken with the middle section of Fire in the Hole, wow, that is so super.
Geena: You haven't mentioned anything about the motherhood thing that I missed, have you? I mean, we Babylon Sisters will have to plan a shower pretty soon, maybe?
Clas: Thanks for returning my squirt gun Sunday nite. I thought we might need it in here soon, but....I'm going to give it another day. Now where is Ruby so I can squirt some KoolAid her way?
Thanks to those who helped answer some confusion regarding the Doobies, I did catch those posts!
And welcome to the *true newbies* meaning those with new, consistent names who are not hiding their identity behind names like....what was that one name, something about poop?
El Supremo: I detect you in the room at the top of the stairs... **smiles**... ILY.
Just Katy,
JustDancing All The Time :)
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 22:33:49
Comments:
The Stranger - Ironically, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald Fagen graduated from college the same year - 1969. There's no real connection here of course, but it does show that they grew up in the same time and probably had some similar cultural influences, although they certainly did completely different things with their lives.
Midnite Cruiser - Going on the information I have, I'd be inclined to agree with you regarding Katy Lied. I didn't read the liner notes for the album since I bought it on cassette many years ago, but I have since read a great deal about the problems with the master tape, and I would doubt that the newly remastered CD is superior to the version heard on Citizen Steely Dan, which sounds vastly better than my casette, but there are still some odd-sounding tracks on that CD and I strongly suspect that they've already done all they can with those master tapes. I'll just enjoy the CD I have and not bother with the new one.Zeke - You commented on the Eagles' current tour; I saw an ad in the Washington Post today for the combined Doobie Brothers and Chicago tour. Some bands do just go on forever! Is Michael McDonald still with the Doobies? I'd noticed that he had done a solo album a while back. I haven't heard AIA yet, although I will buy it soon - considering how much McDonald contributed to the sound of many SD recordings, I do wish Fagen and Becker would give him a call and encourage him to work with them soon.
Gk John - I saw the Phantom Menace last week - I thought it was a disappointing movie but I did like some of the sets and costumes. And I just loved Jar Jar Binks; I had read that his accent was supposed to be remotely Caribbean, but it seemed so far removed from its supposed source that it would be a bit far-fetched to see him and the other Ganguans as being a slur against the Caribbean people. People who make movies have to find their inspiration somewhere (the queen's costumes looked Asian; her city looked Venetian), but what they do with an original source is usually so far removed from that source that there's no reason to think that an ethnic group is being insulted. (By the way, I'd read that the Ganguans look like lizards, horses, and dogs - I think they look like goats. I read an article in the newspaper today about goats and the long-eared goats in the article would have made model Ganguans.)
Sociable Hermit - I'm on another list where a very nasty person was sending some truly hateful flames to the list signed with the name of a long-term list member who is sort of cranky but never all-out nasty. A number of listmembers spoke up to defend the person whose name was incorrectly attached to these horrible posts, but it was sad to see how low a really pathological person could go in smearing the good name of a well respected listmember. This may not help much; I'm just trying to show you that it does happen on other lists, and the people here are wise enough to realize that you wouldn't write that sort of thing. You have always been respectful to the people on this list, and those who know you realize this - that's a good thing; to be respected and trusted by those who know you. Fie on everyone else.
Oleander - What book are you referring to? I buy and read one book a week usually. Curiously, the last book I bought and read, Queen City Jazz, had what appeared to be a number of SD references and some references to Kamakiriad - it was published in 1994, so the author could have heard Kamakiriad. A number of phrases and situations in the book sounded like they might have originated in SD songs, and the entire setting sounded like something Fagen might have cooked up if he'd become a science fiction writer. I may be reading more into it than is there, but it was recommended by William Gibson, one of Fagen's favorite writers and someone who does refer to SD in his books. BTW, I read a book a while back by Neil Gaiman, a former writer and drawer of sophisticated comic books (graphic novels), and he looks enough like Donald Fagen to be his long-lost twin brother. When I saw his picture, I wondered if maybe Fagen had taken on a pseudonym and finally found a way to indulge his love for science fiction and fantasy!
Dr. Mu - Regarding Becker and Fagen's songwriting; I do not wish to venture into waters well over my head, but it has been my impression from all the interviews I've read on many websites that Fagen tends to be a bit more imaginative regarding basic ideas, but Becker is a bit more imaginative regarding language (even though he didn't graduate with a degree in English, but formal education definitey has its limits and one can do quite well without it if one is brilliant). He is especially good at neologisms, and I suspect that he is great at putting ideas into words (which I respect highly since it ties into what I do as an editor). They're both wise, creative geniuses and we'll never be able to figure out how they did it, but that's my own little puny take on it. (I read Becker's humorous article for Guitar Player today, in which he mentions "unobtanium," a metal so rare that it can't be found in any amount, anywhere. I love that type of use of the language; I wish I could do it, but I was born without Becker's wit, a gift I stand in awe of.)
Woo, it's getting late and I'm about ready for bed, so I will read further into the posts later. My one comment for right now is that I've been listening a lot to Kamakiriad in the last few days and I have become quite enamored by Becker's guitar playing and especially his slyly seductive bass playing. Now that I'm feeling a bit better, I think I might wish to hunt down 11 Tracks of Whack since I would like to hear more of Becker's playing and I am curious about his minimalist approach to music. I am extremely fond of Fagen, as y'all can tell from my posts, but I know Becker has some wonderful abilities also and I would like to hear his solo effort.
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 21:08:54
Comments:
Hi again, I kinda lost you guys a bit back there, somewhere my Internet went funny on me, and then I woke up three days later cuddling an empty bottle of gin, but I'm happy to say that apart from a few hiccups (excuse me) I am back in the land of the nearly living.
By the way, was anyone suggesting a while back that "Boston Rag" was the worst SD song? Because I'd like to put my two cents in and say that "Everyone has gone to the movies" sends my cringe factor up to nine, apart from Jeff Porcaros' drumming.
Finally, it has always occured to me that your place names, and just the feel that you have in America, always lends itself to descriptive and pointed lyrics...what I mean is, I can't imagine anyone singing: "Do you know the way to London, I've been away so long..." or even "I want to be a part of it, Torquay, Torquay" And as for "Route 66", well, we have the M25 over here, which is basically a tailback from Monday to Friday and leads you to such romantic places as Swanley and Dagenham.
Well, I hope this gets on the board, if not I'll just have to go back and fiddle with my modem, which is not a pretty sight.
PS: Any SD cricket fans out there?
Name: TheStranger
no more
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 20:58:47
Comments:
was a good article in the new yorker about hillary. compared the clintons to rotten kids you're finally getting out of the house. only if hillary gets in the senate, that means they stick around another 6 years. hillary's a cold, plotting bitch with no ideas but she's too screwed up to know it and loves the limelight. her health care plan was more than a thousand pages. somebody tell her the truth. i'm too nice to do it.
Name: A Curious Bystander
On Solid Flooring
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 20:30:49
Comments:
Now I don't get it. Way too cryptic for my blood. Say it in english.
Name: Hotskiz
Hotskiz@Gwi.Net
Me USA
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 18:45:41
Comments:
Im am desperately looking for Bass tab For any Steely Dan Songs. If Any one can help please let me know I would love to have it ASAP!!! Thanks Mucho!!!
Name: could be
be hold
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 17:06:29
Comments:
look at that. 30 minutes later he falls right through the ceiling
as if on cue.behold your virus below.
laters
w?
Name: Woody Allen
Sans Soon-Yi
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:36:09
Comments:
Excuse me, but I just happen to have the "real" Mr. Word Virus right here with me, and both of us would like to ask you a question.
"Ehh, what's your point?"
Woody
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:10:20
Comments:
Hi All,
First time on the computer today since I took a day off to go fishing. Fishing was terrible, but weather was 10+. You know what they say, "A bad day of fishing is better than a good day of work" Only 40 kegs remain of the 300 they buy annually of Spaten Premium Bock beer at the The Student Prince - truly the mark that summer is near.Did you know Negro Problem listened to Steely Dan when they were younger:
http://www.laweekly.com:80/ink/99/27/music-epstein.shtml\RICHARD CROMELIN, Times Staff Writer, is disappointed that Steely Dan's Midnight Crusier didn't get included in a highway song compelation.
http://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990527/t000047572.htmland I agree - to all of you in the US have a safe and memerable Memorial Day!
Name: Word Virus
GBV.pos@dangling.particles
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 14:06:29
Comments:
Remember the Woody Allen scene in which some intelligent but egomanical, head-up-the-ass poser is spewing all over the date he's trying to impress with Marshall McLuhanisms while they wait in line at the movies- and the Woodman grows acrimonious, can't restrain himself any longer- but, instead of confronting the loudmouthed idiot (who has chosen the wrong context in which to dazzle the date with bullshit), he reaches into the crowd and pulls out none other than M.M. himself who matter-of-factly informs the man that he obviously doesn't know the first thing about M's work? [Woody then pulls a characteristic soliloquy:
"Wouldn't it be great if you could pull off things like this in real life?"]Maybe.
Now imagine pulling the very real Walter out from the midst of the lurkers...
He might be reminded of certain fraternity types way back there from the old days who occupied once-upon-a-time grand maissons
transformed to dilapidated, stale beer smelling, louse infested, stained couch cushioned ugliness- housing a stereotypically uglier mobbed-up mentality of circle-jerkers who thrive on telling each other just how bitchin' they are while they derive pubescent pleasures from their little secret, sadistic, ritualistic activities before, during and after which they delude themselves by assigning meritorious values of Great Distinction
and snickering themselves to sleep night by night. Shhhh:"...so take down that Gamma Steely Danna. You're charter is hereby revoked. What Charter? Look at me: you don't have a fucking charter, or a clue. Open a window. Quickly. Don't re-arrange the furniture. Take it all to the dump. The rest of you guys are good kids but, listen: you have a virus replicating in here. It's just that obvious- even from all the way out here on the street. But, you've gotten used to it. The cleaning supplies are on me. Disinfect the place. Start all over again if you can figure out a way. I can't help you... I'm a little busy. I still care about all of you- but, don't call us, we'll call you.
You just might have to burn down the house. Good luck."Could it be Walter?
If things like this could happen in real life, of course.
Name: Tower Records
9 million locations
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 11:14:30
Comments:
Midnite.. Are you trying to say you're not a sucker?
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 11:07:53
Comments:
GK John....wish I had known you were in Greensboro, I'm less than an hour from there....could have at least turned you on to a beer and some Dan. I'm sure you're glad to just be home though.
jOker & Ole....where are all these cool goings on happening at? Can't be but so far from here?
with all the raving on the sound quality of Katy Lied going on here let's remember that the master was seriously flawed and that the original liner notes about all the high-tech recording was tongue in cheek. I can't believe it sounds that much better and since I have the original vinyl, original CD's and the Citizen Box Set I will NOT be buying any reissued remastered versions of the same songs. I love all the music but the next Steely Dan recording I buy will be a new Dan or solo release from either Walt or Don. I know a lot of you will disagree but that's life I guess.....have a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend everyone!!
Name: mao tse dan
yang t see
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 10:01:16
Comments:
these nuclear warheads bill sold us make great popcorn poppers. capitalism's great. you just pay, they take care of you. when we get hillary in the senate we gonna do great things together. just like michael corleone and hyman roth.
Name: Zeke
to be the rock, and not the roll
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 10:00:45
Comments:
Ole: Hi. btw, can you post your address to your most cool web page?
It seems the Eagles will perform a most Bitchin' Millineum Concert @ years end. The bill will include Jackson Browne and Linda Rondstandt. Want to go? Well, be prepared to shuck out $1000.00 per/ticket. There are lower price tickets, $800, $700,
600, $500... Hey Don, Walt, I got an idea!!!Listening to AIA today. The guitar work on Peg is awesome.
Donald seems to be groovin' on it.
Good job on Reelin' I really like this version, good horns, Don's voice is very strong.
AIA is a damn fine live CD, BUT (and i'm not one to complain)
it needs Michael McDonald. If there is a tour this year, Don, Walt, give'm a call.Have a groovy weekend.
Zeke
Name: GK John
Down @ The Lido
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 08:16:55
Comments:
Sorry folks, It's been a week's worth of catching up with y'all.
I spent nearly two days trying to get back to NYC stranded in Greensboro NC. Why do airlines cancel flights after making passengers wait for nearly 7 hours? And then let a later flight go off? Is it more important for the later flight passengers to get to their destinations than the early passengers? Well, it wasn't a total loss, we did get to fly 1st class the next day...Some random musings- Got to see Phantom Menace in a half empty theater, something I'd NEVER get to do in NY, and I have to laugh at the morons who scream that Jar Jar Binks is a racial epithet to people of Caribbean heritage! What shit! It's a MOVIE! It's ENTERTAINMENT! Sheeesh! BTW, greatest SFX I've ever seen! Oh yeah, the kids kind of liked it too...
Steely Moment of the weekend: Pretzel Logic on the muzak at the IHOP on Battleground Avenue Sunday morning. Very surreal when you consider the circumstances. Of course, the Mrs. doesn't appreciate these things like I do.
BTW, Alta & OMIO- I've heard versions of Who do you love by Bob Seeger and Johnny Cash. Lonesome George rocks, though don't he?
Right on with Woody Herman...MCP- Get well soon dude! And don't forget to take your saltpeter until you're well enough to stand the strain and exertion of getting it up. Just trying to help here...
Jimmy Buffett may be getting diarrhea of the lyric in his old age but he swings and connects more than he misses. His concerts with the Coral Reefers are among the most memorable in my experience. I see him here at Jones Beach every opportunity I get.
Mu- Great analysis, but why is it all about Becker's problems? I mean, couldn't D & W be writing about friends the two of them know? Hmmm...
Geena- Let's see, Italian. Live in Boston. Love SD music. I feel this curious attraction!
Ciao!
Name: reducto
.
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 08:05:49
Comments:
Yeah, I am confused. I guess I just hallucinated your comment addressed to Colonel Sanders.
I know, you're a little rattled lately. If you won't get that epidermis fitting you claim you don't need, then maybe at least you could take a few deep breaths?
Name: Sociable Hermit
...
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 07:07:05
Comments:
Reducto: I wasn't just addressing a "flamer", I was addressing someone who signed my name to a flame. That's a completely different story. Hope that settles your confusion.
joker, and others: I'm not thin-skinned; all of this is a result of someone else using my name, now I end up having to put out fires and defend myself for behavior that I didn't even conduct. This is stupid. I come on here to talk and share ideas, never had any real problems; then I come up with a theory that a few people don't agree with, and all hell breaks loose. (Well, maybe not ALL hell, but I am feeling a little hot and aggrevated.) I'm now being portrayed aa a whiny crybaby, which I'm not, but whenever I try to clarify anything, it seems to only get worse.
I've always had fun on this gb, and have been as respectful as I could toward others. To all of those who know me, hopefully you'll believe what I say. To the rest, oh well. Life goes on.
Later,
Herm
Name: joke.....er
@the mirror
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 06:49:39
Comments:
OLE: me & the mrs. were kinda hopin you could come along for the ride for an encore performance as well - photographic docuumentation should be forthcoming.
J.REDFIELD: doubt it - the Princess was prob. in high school and relatively unknown when the song was written (unless don/walt had a penchant for underage british babysitters - actually, now that you mention it.........]
herm, c'mon over here to the fitting room for another layer of epidermis: you look like you're about a 42 long.....you like hairy or non-? {grIn\
Name: reductio ad absurdum
huh?
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 06:48:14
Comments:
The "real" Herm says he ignores flamers. But then turns his attention to a flamer--so I guess it wasn't really Herm. But wait a minute: if it wasn't really Herm, then his claim that he "ignores flamers" could be false too -- in which case his going on to address the flamer is not necessarily inconsistent with The Real Herm. But wait a minute: if it was the "real" Herm, he says he ignores flamers. But then he turns his attention to a flamer--oh god I'm really confused
Name: Sociable Hermit
Just A Minute
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 at 05:43:17
Comments:
ATTENTION!
For the record, that WAS NOT ME, that bitched at Warren Sun. Somebody's just decided to fuck with me and I don't think it's cool. Maybe they thought they were trying to speak in my defense, (I doubt it), but whatever, it wasn't me. I've always taken the position of ignoring flamers, so it would be out of character for me to respond.
As far as Don and Walt's writing goes, I wasn't aware of who wrote what, that is why I presented the idea. And that's all I did. I never read the book, and as oleander said, trying to discern the truth from what they've said can be rather tough. But, it all sounded good when I was thinking about it, so if you don't agree, that's fine. I don't care. As I said, it was just something to think about. Sorry to upset the apple cart.
Now, whoever that was who used my name, DON'T DO IT AGAIN. Whether you were trying to help or not. It seems like someone was using my name in order to squelch the recent waves of anon posters. For one, it didn't work, Two, using someone else's name is worse than using a "fake", and Three, stop it.
Colonel Sanders: finger lick yourself, and fuck off. I have as much right to be here as an elitist Southern chicken-killer does.
Later,
Herm
Name: Colonel Sanders
spitfunnel
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 23:26:29
Comments:
Herm,
Please go away again and this time don't come back.
Don and Walt
Name: james redfield
cele@aol
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 23:18:24
Comments:
i've heard that 'here at the western world' is about princess diana- is this true?
Name: oleander
I can see it in your face
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 21:14:13
Comments:
Clas--Yes, I did. And it was a blast. Hornsby was protecting himself by standing on the grand piano playing the squeezebox.
lucky henry--good to hear from you. You can learn a lot from crazy people.
turn up, digital--one word: scroll.
David--you are too sweet. The bulk of the contributions to fever dreams, the lyric discussion page, is from the greater Dandom. Also, Geena & Hank, thanx for remembering the url to my page, something I often am not able to do myself.
Stranger--I'm very fond of the Cherry Poppin' Daddies. There's something about their edge that really nails me. The band is really tight & wild, too, and their lyrics are very creative. "Mr. White Keys" and "Zoot Suit Riot" are standouts, though many of the other tunes are irresistible.
Jokah--Way to grab the steely baton. Would love to have been a fly on the wall as you prestidigitaltators made cybermagic.
Alta--OK, what book did you get?
Herm--Honey, when you ask people to share their feelings, that's what you'll get. I think you are the greatest, and that you win the prize for most bodacious fever dream of the month, if not the near-millennium. I also thought Warren Sun was very funny; it's too bad you were insulted. But I agree that the key is that the lyrics were at least cowritten by Mr. Becker, so it would be hard to accept that as their content. I've written before about my awe at their artistic relationship--its longevity, its richness, and its persistence in the face of hardship and the vagaries of time. Quintessential yin/ yang--which doesn't mean black/ white, words/ lyrics, etc., but each in the other, flowing complementarity. I think Mr. Becker looms large in the lyrics in PL (and everywhere else), also the music--maybe it's only clear to me, but once I heard 11TOW I had a much better idea of what he does. It's just as important as what Mr. Fagen does, and the whole is synergistic. The other key is that we'll all hear whatever the hell we want to, so sue us.
Name: DrMu
and Tigger too
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 21:05:23
Comments:
This is what I've gleaned previous discussions here and from their inteviews - generally the solo interviews... there's not much chance of getting a straight from those they did together. Unlike Lennon and McCartney, which became 2 people writing competitively, occasionally splicing phrases or sections together for a cohesive unit such as We Can Work it Out or Day in the Life (just listen to who's singing lead in different sections), Donald and Walter wrote as a collaborative effort. According to Donald Fagen, the only song he wrote by himself was Barrytown. Generally, Donald would come up with an idea or germ of a song. He and Walter would bang ideas off each other and either flush out or finish the song together. I'm sure Walter's contribution and influence varied widely from song to song, but was immeasurably important. BTW, Rikki was an old girlfriend of Donald's.
Name: Me
again
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 20:32:12
Comments:
"Maybe Donald wrote the words, and they both contributed in the music."
Yeah, maybe. Anything's possible -- as long as you don't actually have the facts. But the facts in the present case are that it didn't and does not work that way.
But do please continue on with your speculations. Many people seem to find them more engaging than the truth.
Name: Me
Not Him
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 19:30:35
Comments:
Just because they share the writing credit, doesn't mean they each wrote the words. Bacharach and David, Elton John and Bernie Taupin, even Lennon and McCarthy. Those are all examples of partnerships, except the latter, where one wrote the words and the other the music. Maybe Donald wrote the words, and they both contributed in the music. Just by listening to the flow of the lyrics, one has to presume that each song was written by one hand at a time. Donald's solo albums are much closer to the feeling of Dan records than Walters. If 11TOW is a template, than I doubt if he wrote many of the lyrics for Dan's songs. Sorry for the anonymousness, but I just don't feel like getting thrown into this, too.
Name: Q
FLA......
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 18:23:28
Comments:
Gee wiz "Sociable", I wasn't taking sides and don't even know what the nature of this virtual struggle is - it just seemed like a funny post.
Yours wasn't bad either, but I didn't read your until afterwards.
The thesis of Pretel Logic "could be" that which you propose, but I doubt it because it does not fit the chronology of Walt's circumstances properly and some of the underlying conclusions your thesis presumes are based on a pattern that gels "ex-post date"(later).
But......... atleast you proposed a fun, if not facinating, concept.
So I ask,
what do the rest of the albums "mean"
And where does Walter assert himself - does he get an album to
"retort" ?These , of course, are simply rhetorical questions(and not aimed at you "Sociable" !)to keep the schtik(sp) going.
Anyway, I'm outa hea !!!!
Q
Name: another (different) anonymous poster
.
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 16:42:23
Comments:
Herm:
Not to offend you, but for one thing, you (and many others) often seem to forget that Donald did not write those songs alone. For starters.
Name: Sociable Hermit
And the award goes to...
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 16:25:29
Comments:
I'll go one step further, Q, Warren wins the award for the Biggest Anonymous Asshole. If you don't like my analysis, be man (or woman) enough to use your real name; all you're showing is how much of a little weasle you are. And a closed-minded one at that. Why is it beyond the realm of possiblity that I could be right about Pretzel Logic? I don't see you spinning your wheels coming up with anything better. Donald is a poet, at times masking his reality to come up with verse.
Grow up.
Later,
Herm
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 14:39:46
Comments:
Warren Sun definately wins for " Best Guestbook Sarcastic Spoof of the Year" award !
that was very well done, sir.
Q
Name: Buggaboo
@theend
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:56:52
Comments:
Dear unreal man dickhead:
You seem to be proud of the word dildo, I hope you have fun using it on yourself. Yeah, real men like dildos, HA! Please get off this planet!
At least I don't make lewd, childish and discriminating remarks about any particular member of society or think it's real funny to poke fun at them. The only one laughing is you, the rest are laughing at your stupidity.
Gee, you seem to get a little pissy when the tables are turned. I guess it's time to grow up and start acting like an adult wussboy!
Buggaboo
Name: Warren Sun
ouch!
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:47:47
Comments:
Hermit,So what your saying is that the whole Pretzel Logic record is about Donald telling Walter not to use drugs. Wishful thinking on your part. Man, what world are you living in?
Did you know that Black Cow is really a mixture of LSD and cocaine, and Donald is telling Walter not to drink it or he has to get outta here. Walter picks up the keys on the counter and heads to Rudy's to buy some more drugs. Josie is about Walter to. Good old Walt is selling all the girls in the hood herion but Donald is saying if Walt continue doing these things he's going to dance on his bones till he say's when. Do it again is also about how Walter is always smoking pot. The funny thing is during this whole time period Donald is sitting at home drinking his milk and eating his cookies.
Name: Real men like Steely Dan
@oh please.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:23:15
Comments:
Bugaboo...Your a MAN? What a wimp!!!!
Hey, Steely Dan means DILDO!!! Oh my GOD! Bugaboo what should we do? Are you going to destroy all your Steely Dan records now? Get a grip on life maggit. You don't deserve to be a Steely Dan fan. I bet you run for cover when the Royal Scam comes on the radio....don't do it without your fez on You PUSSY!
Name: Sociable Hermit
Addendum To Previous
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:16:49
Comments:
7. Through With Buzz: This just hit, although too late for the previous submission: What if Buzz was Don's nickname for Walt? "He takes all my money, you know I'm through with Buzz." "I remember when he took my girl. Drug her all around the world." Could that girl be Rikki? Maybe she had a fling with Walt, too, under the influence of drugs, and that indiscretion was what drove her away. Don says that he's cool about, except "when I'm in my room and it's late at night", meaning that's when his mind keeps rehashing the events and it really pisses him off, or that he misses Rikki's company in his bed at night.
This, coming right after "Parker's Band", where he realizes that having drugs in a band is no good makes sense. He's had it; it's decision making time, and he's tense. Listen to the anxiousness of the strings in the backround; you can sense the nevervousness. Shit, I can almost see him pacing in his room.Okay, now I REALLY have to go.
Later,
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
Pretzel Logic
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 13:00:29
Comments:
Hi,
Lately, Pretzel Logic has been taking kind of a beating in here; people accusing it of not being as strong as the rest of their catalogue. well, I'd like to ask everyone to relisten to it with one thought in mind: were the bulk of these songs written as Don's way of coping or speaking out about Walt's drug usage?
The whole album has always seemed dark and ominous to me, and in recent listenings, I've gathered some thoughts.1. Rikki: I'm not sure if this has anything to do with Walter directly. It seems to be about a younger girl who, on a whim, joined up with the band, perhaps Don himself, but the girl got a bit overwhelmed by the wild lifestyle and ran back to the safety of her home. She's young, because of the line, "you can write it in a letter to yourself". That seems a reference to a diary, and that is more a habit of teenage girls. She seems to be a groupie, ("I have a friend in town, he's heard your name.") Maybe Walt treated her roughly and Don felt empathy, ("We can drive down to slow hand road. Stay inside and play games, I don't know.")He's trying to make up for Walt's mistake.
2.Nite By Nite: Speaks for itself. People who live for the pleasure of now, without thoughts of the future. "Until my ship comes in", could mean success, the perfect woman, etc. Maybe this was a line uttered to Don by Walt, ("I don;t care whether it is wrong or if it's right."), and Don's trying to show him how stupid he's acting.
3. Any Major Dude: Don confronts Walt about his usage and the problems it's causing. Listen to the concern and sweetness in the opening, the accustic guitar, ("I never seen you looking so bad my funky one. You tell me your super fine mind has come undone."), and he says that it's noticable to anyone, (hence, the title). He tries to comfort him, ("when the demon is at your door, in the morning it won't be there no more"), he's saying you can get past the demons he feels the need to suppress with his drug usage. "I can tell you all you know, the where to go, the what to do. You can run but can't hide what's inside of you." What a beautiful line. He's trying to help his friend by saying, "I can give you a lot of advice, and you know what it all is, but it comes down to you wanting to do something. You have a problem, and you can't ignore it." The music itself is so easy and non-aggressive; it is a manifestation of his concern. this is not a fight just yet, it's a plea.
4. Barrytown: This is where it begins to get tense. "Though you're not my enemy, I like things the way they used to be. And though you'd like some company, I'm standing by myself, go play with someone else. I can see by what you carry, that you come from Barrytown." Maybe Walt said, "Yeah, you're right, fine. I'll stop", but was caught in the lie, ("Don't believe I'm taken in by stories that I have heard. I just read the daily news and believe every word." He's saying that the story of what Walt does is written all over him like a newspaper.) Don just had it and said, "I know things change; I can't expect you to be the same person, but if you're going to continue acting like this, join another band, because I don't want to deal with it." "What you carry", must mean he's got some drugs on him at the time, so Don knows he's been to Barrytown, (the part of town where users score). "A special lack of grace, you wear it on your face", is such a killer line.
This is where things get interesting.
5. East St.Louis Toodle-Do: A Duke Ellington standard. Duke's band was pretty well known for having some major players that were major users. Maybe Don is alone, (no vocals on this track), trying to affirm himself that there were indeed hugely successful bands that were populated with drug users, and that maybe he shouldn't be so scornful.
Then comes,
6. Parker's Band: (Which is a misnomer, since Parker never really had a "band", except later on when he toured in the mid fifties with Red Rodney, but even then, any band of his consisted of local players who knew his music inside and out. Which, oddly, is similar to Dan themselves - no complete band, just a lot of pick-ups.)
Anyway, this is where the idea of having a successful band with users is negated, when he reflects on Charlie Parker, one of the greatest geniuses of 20th century music. Drugs killed him, plain and simple. So,7. Through With Buzz: Maybe this is also part of the reflection: Could this be the resolution that he dreams with Walt? Walt saying that he is going to stop getting stoned?
8. Pretzel Logic: (The idea that you need drugs to keep you going, when in reality, it's the drugs that are causing you to deteriorate?) When did they stop touring, and could it be because of Walt's problems? He is Don, saying that he would love to go on tour, (the "traveling minstrel show" is Steely Dan and it's entourage). He's "dying to be a star and make them laugh, sound just like a record on a phonograph": he wants to be on stage and be the star and recreate the music on their albums, enjoy the life of a famous rock star, but, "those days are gone forever, over a long time ago." Maybe drugs were too common on the road, and it made life even more impossible. He wants to meet Napoleon, because Napoleon was a great conquerer, just like Don, (conquering music). And, also like Napoleon, he had everything that he wanted, but still felt lonely. It is, in itself, twisted logic. A famous band that doesn't tour; a rich emporor of many lands without a friend.
9. With A Gun: Sounds like Don meeting Walt's dealer, a guy who used to steal his drugs from an asylum and resell them, until he got caught. The idea that this guy sells drugs and carries a gun disgusts Don. ("Just give fair warning anytime you come around").
10. Charlie Freak: This is what Don thinks might end up happening to Walt if his behaviour isn't stopped. It devistates Don the degree that Walt has sunk, but he helps him anyway. Why? I don't know, but he shows his love and concern by giving back the ring.
11. Monkey In Your Soul: His last chance (on this record), to convince Walt. Listen to the funky backbeat, like Don is trying to talk to Walter on his own level, with his own words. You don't just have a monkey on your back, man, you have on in your soul. Your problem is deeply rooted. "Don't you think it was wrong to interrupt my song?" Don is wondering whether Walt feels any sense of the fact that he is also messing with Don's life. "I'll pack my bags and run so far from here", is his threat that he doesn't need this, and will just move on.
Speaking of moving on, I must go. I've been here for too long.
Please let me know of your feelings.Later
Herm
Name: Buggaboo
Ha!
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:47:08
Comments:
Doctor,
I don't know about dating Peter North unless he likes to date men. Maybe you could try dating Peter North. I think he'd be able to remove that rod that's permanently implanted in your behind.
Name: Clas
I'm a selffulfilling prophecy
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:34:12
Comments:
RubyBaby - the CD's are on their way. In your direction.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:22:15
Comments:
I haven't melt that yet Ole. You were actually DANCING on the stage?
Name: Elvis Costello
My Aim Is True
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 11:13:15
Comments:
How do you accidentally urinate on someone?
And, why "Skunk"? Was he thought to be marking his territory at the time? Did his urine stink? Was there a white stripe stretching down his penis? Could passing cars with their windows open get the odor trapped inside? When he peed, did he comment on his misfiring in a cute french accent, ala Pepe LePue?
I'm guessing that the "accident" occurred outdoors; when peeing inside, you are presented with such a large target, (urinal, toilet, trough...), that it is virtually impossible to pee on someone else. Did he wet his bed, thereby wetting someone else indirectly? Was it a well thought out plan with a possible political future in mind? "Skunk'll piss all over that legislation." I, for one, don't believe it was an accident. Has anyone thought of the possibility of a second urinator. In the grassy knoll, behind the bushes?
These and more, are all questions that Congress needs to ask.
I'm going to lay down now.
Herm
Name: Twisted Brother
.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 10:41:05
Comments:
Stranger.. some would call your logic twisted. Some would call it Pretzel Logic.
Name: TheStranger
logic lesson
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:52:11
Comments:
turn up the eagles,
lurkers tend to be peverts. share your perversions and you won't be lurking. understand the logic?
Name: Boy Wonder
red breast
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:19:59
Comments:
excerpt from SUCK rant:"While he managed to be "The
President of the United States" like nobody else in this half of
the century, Ronald Reagan always bore the scorn of
naysayers who were unhappy to have the nation led by an actor.
Those people should have looked ahead. In the end, there's
nothing very funny about Governor Ventura - or even watchable,
as is evidenced by the 58th-place Nielsen body slam given to
The Jesse Ventura Story. Owen Hart has been preempted from
wrestling his way into elective office in Ottawa, but we're
betting on a political career in the not-too-distant future for
Motor City Madman Ted Nugent, whose column in the Detroit News
has attracted a loyal readership - as well as sour-grapes
sniping from the putative rival Free Press (we'll support anything the Nuge tries as long as he keeps his name on delicious beef jerky products). Meanwhile, Alice Cooper drummer Neil Smith,
like Bill Clinton before him, has a burgeoning career in real
estate. Clinton's vice-grip sense of fun in many ways provides the political model for idiot-savants like Ventura and the Shine guy - a point that may explain why George Bush Jr. isn't going out of his way to quash rumors that he's a table-dancing coke fiend. Meanwhile, former Doobie Brothers guitarist Jeff "Skunk"
Baxter is mulling a run for Harvard-dweeb Brad Sherman's
seat in the California House of Representatives. For the record,
Baxter, a college dropout, who according to the defunct rock
magazine Creem, got his nickname from an unlucky person on whom
he once accidentally urinated, supports the National Rifle
Association and the ballistic missile defense system. And, presumably, doobies."
Name: Doctor
in the house
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 08:00:49
Comments:
Hey Bugaboo-- I think you need a date with Peter North. You're a little bit uptight and a good session with Peter should loosen you up a bit.
Name: Batman
sdfjk
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 07:44:59
Comments:
Joker, Suck.com is pretty big. Why don't you tell us how to find where the Skunk stuff is instead of just running off while we spend 2 hours trying to find it.
Name: joker comma the
or you can call me jOker, or you can call me joKEr....
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 07:15:53
Comments:
SECOND SIGHTING OF SAINT ALPHONZO IN A WEEK:
to corroborate Oleander's theory that there IS a St. Al, i have seen him descend out of the Shenandoahs, oleanders tucked behind his ears, to partake in a couple of manhattans and papaya shavings with the joker
[which, by the way, if anyone has or has not noticed, can be interspersed with any upper and lower-case denomination you prefer: i have no real preference. actually i like the "O" only in upper case, and only Freud knows why i do.......}anyhow, many thanks to oleander for launching his tour of our beautiful state in good spirits, and let's all hope he finally gets the good weather on the coast that he deserves.
i love the smell of petroleum products in the morning{JOkER]
p.s:skunk baxter gets mentioned in today's SUCK (www.suck.com)
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 06:26:58
Comments:
Hey Everybody- I just had to say .Oleander's Site is unbelievably
Cool! I heard references to it many times here on the GB and recently saw the URL and went there. It's now bookmarked and I'm enjoying it and it's links daily.
Oleander ,I knew you were Cool and Intelligent...but you knocked me on my ass. I'm now an even bigger fan of yours.In Awe, David
Name: Altoidia
verbal tubbescence
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 01:24:40
Comments:
Did someone mention an interdimensional god or was that just another egotistic dan fan on the lamb?
Pregidised,Altoi'
Name: where's wally?
pencils ready
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:33:02
Comments:
i'd like to think there's a little of him in all of us n'est pas?
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:26:13
Comments:
Ole Andersen - uhuhuhu!!! Snyft snyft, hmpffr.
Name: Original Lester
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 at 00:09:47
Comments:
I wish Donald sang "Peeeeeeeeeg" with the background singers on the Alive in America version of Peg, as he does on Aja. Minor detail, but I'll give them pointers wherever I can.
Name: tobermory
full of saki
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 23:26:52
Comments:
telebubbies swapping kitty stories on the sd page is proof that an interventionist god exists.
Name: teletubbie
wow that's a lot of reading!
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 21:14:04
Comments:
Boy do my eyes hurt! I haven't been able to read these pages in a while, and I had a lot of catching up to do. Please humor me if I touch on topics that are really old, but I just HAVE to put my 2 cents in...I myself have always found the movie,"The Producers," to be one of the funniest movies of all time. "Springtime for Hitler, and Germany! Winter for Poland, and France!" I have heard talk that they want to turn the movie into a Broadway show, because of the sucess of recent shows such as,"Victor, Victoria." I think that this would be wonderful, but wonder if it is possible in our PC concious times.
I myself have two kitties (of no relation to each other), and have found that they find the tv show,"Teletubbies," to be simply amazing. I'm sure that I seem pregidised in this fact, but I swear to you it's true. They become completly entranced with the television screen whenever I put it on. Buzz is pretty mellow anyway, being an older cat, but with Lorax, it is a frickin miracle. I swear this cat takes speed when I'm not home.
Jimmy Vivino, ahhhh. I mailed him some glow in the dark Valentine's Day boxer shorts once, as well as the other 6 members of the Max Weinburg 7, Joel the announcer guy, Andy Richter, and Conan O'Brien. This was back in the days when I was teenage, and foolish, and completly convinced that Conan was the man I was destined to marry. I got to meet them all later, on my birthday in fact, and told them who I was. They were all extremly good natured about it, and from then on I was known as "the underwear girl." I immediatly sent them all silk boxer shorts in appreciation. God, they must have thought me insane. Thank goodness this phase passed, and I am now happily engaged to a man who bears no resemblance to Conan O'Brien. I hope I am not the only goof out there to have done something so immensly nutty.
Favorite Movie Line: "A Yellow Submarine"
Ringo: "Liverpool can be a lonly place on a Saturday night. And it's only Thursday morning!"
Sorry for so much ear bending. I'll try to stay on schedule for now on.
tubbie
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:51:40
Comments:
maybe he is luking - what the hell do i know. I'm not a dick cavett wannabe like y'all
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:49:52
Comments:
lurking - too much shiraz - black opal.
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:48:02
Comments:
the rumour is that walter is luking here - he should give us some insight instead o fwallowing in all the pooooooooooooop.
Name: digital poop
get a life
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 20:45:24
Comments:
"turn up the eagles" hit it on the head. this board is for ego maniacs. "Let me show you how intellegent I am. . . If only you could hear me speak these words like I do."
take it somewhere else - like the WC with a mirror in hand - you'll never leave the house.
pseudointellegence does not = wisdom ya know.
Name: turn up the eagles
listening neighbour
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 19:56:58
Comments:
please don't take this the wrong way but i've been watching these pages for a while and quite a few of you have been here too long. you don't talk about sd and your personal stuff would be better through e-mail.
Name: Good King Richard
hungry for more
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 19:50:12
Comments:
Dr Mu: In the absence of Walmart in these 'ere parts, I'm having to resort to the e-cart people to take me out of the vinyl darkness of my beloved Katy. Good Queen Rich has given treasury approval, what with birthday coming up 'n all (remember Geminiis, this is OUR time)... just hope I don't have to wait too long for the crisp cymbals, the rim shots... robust and lyrical phrasing, the bodacious bass and the resounding and full-throated cries. I'm there... ready, willing and salivating (just slightly).
There's just one slight 'however'... With all the talk of Louis Jourdan and laterr day Jourdans: Setzer, Joe Jackson, Cherry Poppin' Daddies et al, this is what came up when I made enquiries as to the taste and discernment of the average SD buyer...
Click price to add to cart:
People who bought Katy Lied have also bought these albums:
C. Monteverdi
Ritonno D'luossr In Patria-Co CD $16.99C.P.E. Bach
Lieder & Oden CD $13.99Herman Melville
Moby Dick CD $18.49Danish Radio Concert Orch
Symphonies-Vol. 2 CD $13.99C. Gounod
Faust-Comp Opera CD $44.99M. Reger
Son Vln-Vol. 1 CD $11.99Terry Robb
Bethlehem Star-Christmas Guita CD $12.99Soul Parish
Journal Of Half-Wakened Dreams CD $12.99R. Burns
Complete Songs-Vol. 1 CD $14.99VA-Drew's Famous Jukebox Class
Drew's Famous Jukebox Classics CD $9.49Anyone like to own up?
Richard&kangaroos
Name: lucky henry
@your door
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 16:17:35
Comments:
Geena/Sociable Hermit: I enjoyed your and other comments about addictive disorders and depression, as i have recently begun volunteer work at a mental institution (i just hope they don't confuse me with one of the patients.)
Tipper Gore, who has publicly announced her own bout with depression, is chairing an upcoming conference on the topic.
Any Major Dude = Any M.D. "When the demon is at your door, in the mornin' he won't be there no-ooo mo-ore...."
the people on the streets have all seen better times,
lh.
Name: oleander
the fix is out
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 16:03:12
Comments:
Recovering from the Visitation of St. Al.... Like Venus on the half-shell, but more clad, he descended to our lovely mountains, radiant, with the lovely Missus St. at his side. Many highball glasses and desperate NASCAR searches later, on they cruised in their Dead-corated Caddy unto the ministrations of the jOkEr (or is it JoKeR? Sorry, man). I hope that I have fulfilled my Citizenly duties and passed muster as a keeper of the keeper of the flame.
Herm--Tell you what, if you can stand the glare, instead of cursing the darkness let's you & me go to the beach & peoplewatch. That's the part of a man that gets me swoony--ah, the dimples of Venus... and hands. Certain hands.
Music notes: Hej Clas, you shoulda stuck around! Went to see Bruce Hornsby Sunday night. At first, I was underwhelmed, but he warmed up and was really kickin' after a while. Needless to say, he did 3 Dead tunes ("Big Boss Man," "I Know You Rider," and "Wharf Rat"}, and a very affecting version of "End of the Innocence." The band was very good, and they made "That's The Way It Is" a totally funky groove. At the end, as is his wont, he invited the women up on the stage.... Well, at least I kept my clothes on. What a kick. I was between the bass & lead, the first & last time, I'm sure, I will have been on stage with a rock band. Clas, you may warm me up to this guy yet.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: at work,
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 14:13:48
Comments:
Laura,
Nice try, but even though I now have a grudging respect for Pretzel Logic, I'm still a long way from actually liking it!
Name: Buggaboo
I Know
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 13:47:57
Comments:
Netwatch,
You think I don't know this? Only a man would be as childish as to say something like that. That doesn't include all men, just the idiots.
Name: Netwatch
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 13:14:36
Comments:
"Laura" is a guy.
Name: Gallup
Giddy-up
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 12:11:47
Comments:
How many of you GB regulars are in NYC?
Name: TheStranger
while you're up, get me a bee gee
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:41:02
Comments:
geena,
look, disco uses drum machines! it's not music. it's third-rate engineering. don't you have a disco anonymous in your area? but i'll bet you look cute in your polyester disco gear.
Name: mao tse dan
shang high
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:29:11
Comments:
these warheads bill sold me are really cool. some other chinese guy pissed me off and so i snuck it into his bed. he wakes up just like that guy in the godfather with a horse's head. nuclear shit all over him. screamed his head off, man. cool. i got another one looks just like a cappucino machine.
Name: Buggaboo
@home
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:23:51
Comments:
You know Laura, it's assholes like you who never cease to amaze me. Please grow the fuck up and stop acting like a high school kid, and some high schools kids are more mature than you.
And you call yourself human?.....yeah right!
Name: Laura the lesbian
@lesbefriends.com
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:10:37
Comments:
Altimara- Don't be in a bad mood sweetheart. Why don't you come over to my place.We can put on the new re-mastered Pretzel Logic and lick each other.
Name: Hank Silvers
hanksilvers@dog.com
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 11:00:15
Comments:
carib capers: I don't sail, but the RS lyric says they wandered in from the city of St. John, not the island.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 09:11:35
Comments:
Clas - I apologize for my post on Sunday night; I was in a REALLY bad mood. I will be more careful in the future.
Sociable Hermit - I appreciate the recommendations regarding swing music. I was thinking about buying something by the Brian Setzer Orchestra since I really liked the Stray Cats, but now I won't. I think I'll just stick with Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 at 01:41:40
Comments:
Dr Mu – "...American Indian and Asian descent who because of genetic circumstances have low levels of alcohol dehydrogenase..."
I read that it's theirfore Asians don't have much problem with alcoholism. On the other hand, American Indians HAVE a great problem with alcoholism BECAUSE their low level of alcohol dehydrogenase. Don't make sense.
Social Hermit - for a second I thought you were our long lost friend mr Stewart from Alaska. No sweat.
Name: caribbean capers
man
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 22:30:49
Comments:
just to the right of puerto rico on the map you can find the island of st. john, right next to st. thomas. Doesn't anyone sail?
Name: mao tse dan
peeking
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:34:11
Comments:
hi,
i'm a friend from china. i think steely dan is really cool. got any nuclear secrets? my friend bill won't sell me any more right now. says the heat is on. why you keep trying to drop bombs on slobo dan? white people are really crazy. you hear the one about the chinese couple on their wedding night? bride says she wants number 69, groom says, what? you want beef with broccoli?
Name: DrMu
why do I bother?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:05:16
Comments:
Porcaro
sweetness
Name: DrMu
Was Jeff Procaro Cher's first of many 21 year olds?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 20:57:30
Comments:
After many mishaps at a time where I should be doing other things than tracking the mysterious whereabouts of the dream in green - there it was as I was doing my almost nightly odds & end duty between the pullups and the naproxen sodium reflecting of the badge of a blue-vested Czech princess with full auburn hair and figure. Only two weeks ago had my man Sam been pummelled to a shape resembling Beetle Bailey on a Sunday for showing me his ware on Monday - Pretzel Logic - remasterd...the 1995 version!!!! Off to cyberspace to take a ride in the cart of one on-line vendor who's stock is still sitting at 17, and that's before Black Monday. Ordered overnight both Pretzel and Katy. Then every other day I receive a more cryptic and pathetic set of excuses why the delivery has not been made, or even shipped. Pretzel arrived 6 days late, but the steeness I'd been waiting for was somewhere lost in the serpentine wholesale bucket brigade - then the gall to charge overnight for delayed deliveries. After e-mailing the said establishment and telling them to stick it in their Sigmoid Freud, the reflection - a vision of a child returning flashed before me in that polyethlene badge cover. I was swept on a vortex of ether aroung the ample posteriored high school girls wondering what Brittany Spears was wearing now...and there they were 2 copies ofthe re- re- mastered Katy Lied at fuckin' WALMART!
Put the Green in the machine and "the greatest Steely Dan album ever" graces my ears with new-found clarity and dynamic range. The liner notes and Dr. Wu nearly brought me to tears. The crisp cymbals, the rim shots of Porcaro, Omartian's robust and lyrical phrasing, the bodacious bass on Chain Lightning, the resounding and full-throated cries of Michael McDonald for "Rose Darling, my friend". Only traces of the dbx damping remain - you can hear a little shearing-type sound just before Dr. Wu. Holy fuck! This is great! The new one will come when it's ready - can't wait to read the liner notes!
Name: Geena
oops!
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 18:42:56
Comments:
OMIO: If you listen to too much Jimmy Buffet, not only do you become a parrot head, you become a member of the Banana Republic and a real mellow daddy!
TheStranger: I beg your forgiveness Sir! I must have been insane to have missed your post and not responded to you. How could I? That was a cruel and rotten thing for me to do, please let me make this up to you.
Now in answer to your question about Swing. Yes, I do like the old and new style of swing, but i feel that it may be a small fad to break up the monotony of today's music. We had disco in our day which evolved to dance music, then hip hop, etc. Then came the break where kids had nothing to dance to, so they reinvented swing. Help me out here, i'm drowning!
Jive Miguel: Stranger may tell you my mind has been entranced in disco music since my dancing queen days, and he's been trying biofeedback therapy on me to rid the evil boogie oogie oogie demons from infesting my brain cells. The Ohio Players were good in their day, I have the "Fire" album and it still rocks! Now how do I type that thrust sound? If you can get it, try....damn, I can't remember the name of the band, it'll come to me, but they sang "Grooveline". Machine is also great, you know....."Carmen and Carlos Vidal, just had a child, a lovely girl with a crooked smile....." former members of Dr. Buzzard's Original Savanah Band, and of course don't forget Parliament Funkadelics.
Sociable Hermit: Hey, I wasn't being surly, I was just funnin' ya!
In my culture Louis Prima is da bomb, but I adore Joe Jackson and have the Jumpin' Jive album, next to Night and Day, it's my second favorite. Have you ever heard Body and Soul and Big World?
Name: steely
danjor@total.net
Location: Montreal, QC CANADA
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 15:30:21
Comments:
I'm dull. I could listen to any Steely Dan repeatedly. I think that people who do not like SD were deprived of oxygen at birth and never developed.
Name: Freakin Puerto Rican
say what?
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 15:14:04
Comments:
Jive: Go with rollercoaster. Now that is one heavy groove.
Another suggestion, try some Isly Bros. or Sly and the Family Stone.So long drummer dude from Nazareth. Now your messin' with...
can you believe the theme from Star Wars was accually played on the radio? What the hell were we thinking about in the 70's?
Did you hear Eddy Vedders new/old tune? Now that's funny!
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:53:23
Comments:
Michael: Keep ticking, OK?
Phil: Velkommen..
Swing: Woody Herman's Thundering Herd with 4 Bros. sax section..
& Fletcher Henderson..
Drugs & Hookers.. And you thought the GB was dead..
Cherry Poppin' Daddies: Got the feminists at the University of Oregon so wild they had to censor the band name on their first album to sell it in Eugene.. Honest.. it had "Censored Censored Daddies"..
See what happens when you listen to too much Jimmy Buffet..?
Name: TheStranger
swung
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:38:01
Comments:
that was really not a trick question about the new swing. i'm not sold on it either, but it is another way of joining rock with jazz, which is what st. dan does so much more creatively.
lots of brass instruments are wasted on recordings. i don't care how many tracks they use to record. it all gets funneled through a stereo with 2 speakers. 20 brass instruments playing together just sound like one melded noise. you sit there live and you will hear the 20 sounds from 20 instruments. count basie, ellington were geniuses, but they have a tough time proving it on a CD. give me something like the miles davis quintet instead.
we've got monica in l.a. so it's only fair newyork should take hillary. where's that put bill? kansas city?
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: SanDiego,
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 14:16:00
Comments:
Forget this swing junk!! I'm looking for some groovy disco funky stuff. Does anybody like the Ohio Players? I'm looking to but one of their new DTS CD's. Which one is better - "Honey" or "Fire"?
Any other recommendations?
Name: Sociable Hermit
One More Thing
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 13:47:45
Comments:
I should probably note that Rocket From The Crypt is more of a punk band than a swing band. The inclusion of horns sometimes gives it the feel of a jump band, and that is why I mentioned it with the rest.
Hope this did not cause any confusion or injuries.
Later,
Herm
Name: Sociable Hermit
Swing!
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 13:40:40
Comments:
Stranger: I'm a big fan of swing music, but mostly of that produced back in the 30's - 60's, like Goodman, Basie, Calloway; and the smaller groups of Louis Jordan and Louis Prima. As much as I try not to; I still find myself comparing anything new to the older bands. I do try to stay as open-minded as I can, though. If you're looking for some fun, pick up a Louis Prima CD, or, try looking for a Joe Jackson CD called "Jumpin' Jive" that came out about '80, or '81. That was a precurser to much of what is happening now.
Rereading this tells me that I probably did not answer your question about whether any of the new stuff is good. So, let me say, that I've heard some good stuff from all of the aforementioned groups, as well as Rocket From The Crypt. Brian Setzer Orchestra, however, doesn't seem like anything more to me than a cover band you'd hear at a VFW hall on Saturday night. The only major difference is that the lead instrument is a guitar, instead of say, a piano, or horn. All it does is create a more rock oriented sound, instead of a more traditional swing sound. This might appeal to some, but it doesn't do all that much for me. I like the horn arrangements, but it's just him and his rockabilly guitar that don't seem right to me.
But, you know, that's just me.
Later,
Herm
Name: DrMu
boys and girls are blowin'
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 11:58:40
Comments:
Stranger: YES, but they don't play that stuff 'round here. We brought it up a while ago (you can't tough that dial). Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Squirrel Nut Zippers (who are more eclectic) are pretty good. I like SNZ's recordings, but I bet BBVD is a better loive band (they play the intro to TNT NBA basketball - playoff time tonight - if I have the chance). Brian Setzer is OK, but I prefer the previous - would like to hear more.
Name: TheStranger
same forecast
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 10:55:32
Comments:
geena,
that's ok. ignore me and respond to your new british compadre who spells 'realize' with an s. i'll just sulk. BUT DOES ANYBODY LIKE ANY OF THE NEW SWING STUFF FROM BANDS LIKE CHERRY POPPIN DADDIES? ok, i'll stop shouting.
Name: fezo
justsaymaybe
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 09:48:23
Comments:
Drugs are . . . great. Coffee wakes me in the morning, soda perks me up after lunch, and when i get home a couple of beers mellow me out for evening.
What's that? We were talking about "drug" drugs? I think they are great too but alas they are illegal and, more importantly, can have lethal consequences in a hurry. Just ask River Phoneix or Len Bias.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Tuesday Is A Little Better
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 09:35:56
Comments:
Geena: Huh? I wasn't making light of you. I wasn't aware that it was YOUR "I Don't Like Mondays". Does that mean I owe you a royalty payment? Is that why you seemed so surly?
Speaking of surly....................
Clas: Mr Stewart???? Clue me in about what that's supposed to mean.
Bugaboo: Thanks for the assist.
To everyone else: I was not advocating the use of drugs: I was trying to rationalize the use of them; describing certain instances when a person would want to partake. Now, again, I am referring to casual use, not hardcore usage. Yes, I'm well aware of the dangers of drugs; I've seen what they've done to people like John Belushi, Kurt Cobain, etal. I was just playing Devil's Advocate, I'm not standing on the corner trying to sell to your kids.
Later,
Herm
Name: Buggaboo
@slamdance
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 07:16:10
Comments:
sorry, that was thier messages were NOT directed at you personally Clas.
Name: Buggaboo
@thedance
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 07:15:07
Comments:
Clas, there's no need to get your knickers in a twist. Sociable Hermit's and Altamira's messages were directed at your personally. Just goes to show what happens when one needs to get a life outside this message board. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, of which you seem to express here quite often yourself. The world does not revolve around you.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 03:47:14
Comments:
RubyBaby - "My Life As A Dog" is a Swedish film made by Lasse Hallström, "What's Eating Gilbert Grape", "Once Around" (now he's working on "The Ciderhouse Rules").
"My Life As A Dog" is a outstanding movie. MY life as a dog is just tragic.
Altamira/Social Hermit (mr Stewart?) - you're talking in your nighthats, but that's alright with me as long as you don't come charging down my street.
Name: Phil
Phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 22:42:15
Comments:
Hi guys!
Geena: Thanks for the welcome, I'm getting the hang of this Internet thing and I dare say I will have bored you all senseless by the end of the month. Good job I can't write as fast as I talk.
Roy Scam: Bee Gee lyrics? Unfortunately none of their songs came out on 45, so I can't slow them down to 33 1/3rd and get any sense out of them, but when you have three guys born in England with Australian passports singing about Massachusetts then what the hell.
On a flippant note, I bought a copy of "Sun Mountain" as an album in about 1985, and noticed it back in the shops the other day totally repackaged in bright new shiny CD format under a totally different title and sleeve design. I just hope and assume that all proceeds are being directed to their rightful owners!
Cheers,
Phil
Name: Madonna
criss-cross
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:57:40
Comments:
I've put on an English accent and baptized by first bastard, I mean beautiful child, as a Roman Catholic, even though I used its trappings for...uh... well, you know the name of this group.
Name: Geena
For SH: It's just another Frantic Monday
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:44:27
Comments:
Phil: Welcome! Don't worry about not understanding what we're talking about, just lurk for a few days and you'll catch on. If you want to find out about lyrics, check out Oleander's page at: http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
Sociable Hermit: If you making light of my "I Don't Like Mondays", sorry babe!
I agree with you on the subject of alcohol/drugs, some people can do it and some can never go near it. Sometimes alcohol/drugs are a faster and easier way to take the edge off and escape. Then for some it becomes a way of life, and it gets out of hand. It's much easier to buy alcohol than drugs, finding other ways to handle stress and life in general take a lot more effort, i.e., meditation and/or sports. What's worse is when a young adult begins the cycle because of peer pressure or family life, and then take it further into adult life, which in turn screws up their life, family and friends. I give a lot of credit and admire those who admit they have a problem and do something about it. I have many close friends in my life including my husband that have had substance abuse problems and with inner strength and help from their superior beings, they're overcome their addictions. I also know some who deny they have a problem and have totally destroyed their families. And yes, it's true anything can kill you if one overindulges, and they must realize that when it begins to control their life, it's time to stop, cut down or seek help. My opinion.
Altamira: yes, they are Bombadiers, thank you! I couldn't remember the name of them.
Name: Roy.Scam
16.kids.and.a.family.on.the.skids
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 19:03:42
Comments:
Phil: Banana Republican is a close friend of mine and I'm sure you're welcome and he appreciates your fulfilling his last 14%. If Pete Fogel says it's San Juan in Royal Scam, then bet the ranch on it.--For another look at the same scenario, listen to Bernstein and Sondheim's "America" from West Side Story. Same two cities. -- Since your explaining British pop songs, how about "I Got A Feeling", a simple sounding lyric that never made a lick of sense to me (was McCartney just stoned?). And who was Dr. Robert? And since you're representing all of the UK and associates, please explain "Marly Purt Drive" and "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
Michael C. Packard: Recover well and soon, please. Keep us advised of your progress back to full throttle. I see Packards older than you still going strong, all the time.
RS
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 18:06:03
Comments:
Sorry guys to butt in again, but I seem to recall I said that I don't understand what you are talking about. So I thought it might be a good idea to give you guys the low down on me, thus facillitating the interaction of the present interlocuter and your own sweet selves!
I became a Dan Fan after hearing "Reeling in the Years" at an impresssionable age, and carried the love of the music until I was old enough to purchase a basic sound system, whereupon I siphoned off a copy of their Greatest Hits, which confirmed that I had finally arrived.
The biggest problem over here and in Australia is the fact that both Messrs Fagen and Becker aren't British! I'm sure if they were, they would have received a lot more air time. So you must realise that with us we sometimes don't quite understand what you guys are on about in your lyrics (hence my query about St Johns!)
But we do our best in the 51st state, and hope that the next time you have a query about a British band's lyrics you come to me!!!
Once again all the best,
Phil
Name: phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 17:17:15
Comments:
Banana Republican,
Thank you for your advice on St Johns, I had a nice E-Mail back from Pete Fogel (the one and only) confirming that St Johns is actually San Juan in Pueto Rico, so I can satisfy the remaining 14% of your answer! Once again, thank you for taking the time to respond.
Apart from that, I am one of those people that never question Steely Dan lyrics, trusting that other people can work them out for me.
I hope to be able to understand what you are all saying soon,
Will keep in touch,
Phil
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 16:53:38
Comments:
John S.: no, yes
Jive Miguel: Spray runs parallel to the beach from Cape May to the north, for only about 4 blocks. I was at the corner of Spray and Long Branch. I really miss the sound of the waves (and my drunken neighbors) as I fall asleep each night. Now I listen to the hum of the baby monitor from my daughter's room. Thanks for the info on Rancho's - I'll try it for sure.
Name: mitch
dylan-simon
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 13:56:03
Comments:
THE under the roof tickets at star lake amphitheatre for Dylan and Paul Simon are 100 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: John S
say it aint so
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 13:46:29
Comments:
Peg- Is it true The Damned are breaking up because Hank Easton is joining another band?
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 12:48:04
Comments:
Ruby: Just post a sign on your block that says: "WARNING: This neighborhood is patrolled by Neighbors With Video Cameras. Your car & it's license number will be videotaped, and follow up calls will be made to the residence of registration. If this arrangement does not suit you, then take your business elsewhere.."
They'll move out in a week...
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: San Diego, CA,
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 12:29:30
Comments:
PEG: Thanks for your responces - you are too kind. It looks like I will be able to go to the Damned after all. I forgot Memorial Day was Monday and yes, I do have it off. I really appreciate your offer to get me on the list. I will email you later in the week as a reminder. I noticed on the web site that the gig is listed as Rockola/Steely Damned. Who is playing first? Also, what time is the Damned projected to take the stage? I always love it when you all play at the Catamaran. That place is so beautiful - very befitting of SD music. I saw you guys at the Del Mar Fair with my girlfriend last year and it is just not the same. She is finally 21 and I'm really excited for this Sunday!!
You like Nati's do you? My girlfriend really loves that place, I think it is just OK. I applied for a job there about a year ago. Have you ever tried Rancho's on Sunset Cliffs? Now that is some serious Mexican!! Where is Spray St? I live about 3 blocks from Dog Beach on Cable and Lotus. I like a lot - OB does *feel* right - I know what you mean.
Anyway, thanks again,
Jive Miguel from OBogota
Name: RubyBaby
breakf@st in America
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 11:21:32
Comments:
Thanks fezo for the advice. Believe me, I appreciate it. We will be the squeeky wheel, I suppose. There are a few complicating factors, but we'll work around those... Like the *grandma* keeps faking heart attacks, and the foster kids are caught in the middle, and they're black and are ready to holler "racism!" at the drop of a hat, and I have reason to believe they have at least one cop in their pocket. They have played this game before. I can see that timing is important here. I can wait. Documentation of certain events can't hurt. Just don't want to tip off the dirty cop(s), either. Still praying for these folks, anyway.Herm: These aren't like the Ladies of the Night in the movies. They're obnoxious. Your cave would suddenly seem way too small and then you'd really be mad at me. How about I name that new dance after you... *The Hermit*
Clas: is that a movie suggestion or are you telling me about your life?
Dr.Mu: I have Songs You Know By Heart. That's probably like a best of, but not as good as yours.
I try to live the *moderation in all things* way. It seems to work well. A small glass of red wine a day - I'm talking 3 or 4 ounces - has improved my digestion a lot. I swear by it. I can skip a few days and it's no biggie. The heart protection is a real plus.
From what I've seen and experienced, drugs is such a temporary way of dealing with stress, while actually adding to it. I think the only really good way is having a working relationship with The Man Upstairs, because as you talk & He listens, and He talks and you listen, the *peace which surpasses understanding* will come upon you and then you can eat stress for breakfast.rb
Name: DrMu
**
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 09:39:18
Comments:
David: I'm selective with my Buffett. Borrowed a few albums some years back, and along with my own media (through Riddles in the Sand) and made a very nice "best of" compilation. The cohesive albums are rare to me: Riddles in the Sand, A1A, Changes in Attitudes...but when he's on he's on. The songs Distantly in Love (I think that's the title), Come Monday, Biloxi, Banana Republics, Pirate Looks at Forty make you feel as if you were shooting the breeze talking about philosophy or life with Buffet at his beach house in Key West.
Herm, Altamira: I think it's part of the wanderlust thing that's imbedded in our genes. Unfortunately, there are numerous mental disorders such as depression and schizophrenia which are mind altering as well. All of us who are not afflicted should just give thanks that we are not so. Many of the recreational drugs including alcohol can lead to mental imbalances (take Brian Wilson, for instance). Thus my best advice is to limit partaking and enjoy a sound mind. Note: alcohol is integrated in many cultures because of its long history as a social substance and a preservative (there was life before refrigerators). Most of us are made to handle physiologically at least small amounts of it (it can be found in trace amounts in food), and red wine even protects the heart as Clas mentioned! It's toughest on some people, especially but not always of American Indian and Asian descent who because of genetic circumstances have low levels of alcohol dehydrogenase, an enzyme which breaks down alcohol in the liver. I read that many alcoholics have low levels of this enzyme (haven't followed that up). Our culture has become less of one that looks fondly upon moderation. Jerry Springer would not have been popular among my grandmother's crowd.
Michael: That has to be the first post from someone hooked up to an i.v. Hang in there! Hope you sternum agony is history and your pumped with aspirin, TPA, and streptokinase. Just don't get a paper cut!
Name: TheStranger
l.a. forceast for all of may and june --slightly cloudy this morning turning to sunshine
this afternoon. high in mid 70s
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 09:38:15
Comments:
geena,
i'm a dylan fan. but he's like babe ruth swinging for the fences. lots of homers, lots of strikeouts.new cd barometer: this morning feels like never. but rhett, where shall i go? what shall i do?
anybody like any of this new swing stuff?
Name: Sociable Hermit
I Don't Like Mondays (Can One Get More Cliche?)
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 08:55:58
Comments:
Hello,
Let's not get too sanctamonious here; I really don't think that Altimera was suggesting that everyone should take drugs. What she said was that sometimes it takes the edge off of an otherwise harsh situation. No, Clas, if it's fucking up your family and fucking up your life, then one shouldn't do it. She never said to take drugs on a regular basis so it interferes with your job/life/relationships. Let's not be so smug as to think that everyone's problems can be mollified or abated by exercise and pure thoughts.
I feel that humans in general have a need alter their subconciousness, whether it be by drinking, drugs, adreneline rushes,(extreme sports, whatever the hell that is), meditation, or, when we were kids, spinning in circles until we fall down. Everyone chooses what works best for them. Sometimes, after a while, they realize that what they chose was not actually all that good for them, and they cease, but if they have that need for alteration, I'll bet you that they move on to something else.
Yeah, drugs can kill you. But so can overeating; stress from a shitty job; driving too fast; driving too slow; having sex...I myself indulged heavily when I was younger, but I grew out of it, and now my only vice (In that regard, at least), is alcohol. And there's nothing wrong with my life, other than the fact that I go by the name of Sociable Hermit and I purport to live in a cave, and have seasonal depression, and I...
I gotta go find a dealer.
Later,
Herm
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 08:19:21
Comments:
DrMu- I use Buffett's Fruitcakes CD for my first Break on many gigs. I like his versions of the Kinks "Sunny Afternoon" and Patsy Cline's "she's got you" Also" Love in the Library" and some others ... I was never a Fan of his 'till i moved here 5 years ago. The Guy can craft some songs...and having Russ Kunkel produce doesn't hurt.
Altamira- Did I say welcome to you? Pardon me please...and that goes for anyone else new to these spaces .
Hello to everyone here while i'm at it!
I checked the new chat out and it works ,but wasn't any Improvement ...just another minor learning curve.
David
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 05:36:23
Comments:
Peter,
I've been posting a lot about the "Skunk thing" because:
1) He's the only ex or current member of Steely Dan who's in the news right now.
2) This board is normally preoccupied with gun control advocates and political analysts, and his campaign touches on both of these subjects.But you are right, there is going to be a lot of press about his candidacy in the papers just because of his background, which needs not be reported here unless Don & Walt decide to do a charity concert in support - can you imagine a black tie, $500 a seat gala event - maybe Michael McDonald could sit in. Which of you would go?
Keep holding out - the time to release gets shorter every day.
P.S. Love your suit.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 at 02:33:55
Comments:
Thanks Altamira, now I can drink my beers without any remorse. I fuck up my friends, my son, my wife, my firm.
But what the hell, I feel good.
RubyBaby - My Life As A Dog.
Stephen L. Levine - I was there. So it WAS that fella from the Band. He had a red nose and a red bass and I thought he'd never stop playing.
Name: A train
i'll take twister for a thousand alex
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 23:02:31
Comments:
AnneAltaMira
Substances. Generally, I find that they can sometimes take that fine, taut line and sort of shorten it/widen it. Same mass, reconfigured. Course, I suppose it could also then, just become a big dot.
Anybody familiar with the Aluminum Group?
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 22:16:11
Comments:
Geena - So your kitties aren't related? Then they are to be especially commended for getting along well. I've heard good things about U2, so I might want to buy one of their CDs to keep the cats happy. The little darlings have broken all the branches off my beloved old poinsettia and dislodged the eyes from the doll my mother was given for her sixth birthday in 1926, so anything that might settle them down would be highly welcomed by me.
So you live in Boston; that helps, I can look up your city in the FAQ maintained by my transit list. If your new rolling stock was made in Canada, it is probably from Bombardier, a company that makes excellent rail vehicles. It was founded by Jacques Bombardier, who invented the snowmobile in 1956. They are called skidoos in Canada, where they're very popular and pretty much the glue that holds communities together in certain far-flung regions.
I don't think the park by the Washington Monument (which looks quite spiffy in its new blue cladding) has a name. However, all of our local squirrels are used to humans feeding them and tend to be quite aggressive about demanding food.
Michael - best of luck with your recovery from heart surgery; it sounds as though all is going well for you. I like "I Got the News" too; a bright, positive song.
Hank Silvers - You're welcome; I always try to make myself useful.
Peter North - Hey, don't come here. Our representatives can't vote - talk about taxation without representation! (and we do talk about it)
Fezo - This whole thing reminds me of the battle we've waged in my neighborhood to get rid of prostitutes. We finally seem to be making some progress, so it can be done.
Banana Republican - Of course it's San Juan, there are many references in the text that point to Puerto Rico.
Roy Scam - Thanks for your warning. My friend recommended the Eels on his deathbed, so I had been thinking about buying that CD. From what you have written, I can see where it would have appealed to my friend in the position he was in, However, I think I should wait a while before I buy it, which I will eventually, since I don't want to disregard my friend's advice.
I can't quite figure what's going on with the list; I had thought that I had seen a post commenting on what I wrote about Lowell George, and now I can't find it. Anyway, I will respond here. Yes, it's not PC or cool, or, I guess, even legal to say this, but sometimes life just gets so rough that one does feel the need for some chemical substances to make it all bearable. Yes, they shorten one's life, but they make that life easier to deal with. It's a tradeoff. So, flame me or sue me or something; that's my take on this. I meant exactly what I wrote.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Ohhhhhh
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 20:01:56
Comments:
Ruby: Yeah, I'm mad. Real mad. And the only way you can rectify this mishap is to send all the prostitutes to my cave. That'll teach you. Maybe it'll teach me, too.
Herm
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:49:34
Comments:
Stevey babe. (I call everyone babe because I am a record producer) that was the most exciting 15 minutes in my concert going career (hundreds of major concerts) people were screaming so loud, as if their life depended on it, it was trancendant. i actually looked down to see if my feet were still on the ground.
i treasure all those shows - metheny , chaka, p. snow, dr. John, mr vivino, chris zinggs brother (i call him chris zingg the delaware) crack musicians sweating and pumping out music from the best songbook in the world - who cares if there was a miscue or two it was 100000 time better that the tours.
jaco
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:39:41
Comments:
Wow I am honored to think that someone would guess my birthday as a release date for the release of "Freaks of Nature" and by golly they'd be fools not to use the xmas season to bolster sales as the older your fan base is the less likly they are to visit record shops - so put it on your xmas list and have your hacky-sacking, trenchcoat-wearing offspring buy it for you. however, I think that they will probably wait until april, may or june, to help kick off a tour. i'll say May 30 - close to my half birthday.
If it ever comes out. I heard that donald is pissed that walter insists on wearing dresses, heels, full makeup, and pearls to all recording sessions. "Call me Millicent."
hey, they named a cake after me at a local restaurant this week. CJ's four layer CHOCOLATE ORANGE EMULSION cake with chocolate/ orange mousse and topped with chocolate ganache with a hint of grand marnier 100. Wow! $4. soldout faster than any cake ever!
i talked to the janitor at SD's recording studio - Pat metheny was in on one cut.
Req: spell check on sign in stranger.
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Name: Stephen L. Levine
slv@aol.com
Location: Bethpage, NY USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:34:59
Comments:
jk- I was at that show at the Lonestar in '90 or '91. Remember how the crowd went nuts when Walter came up to play? Oh yes, Jimmy Vivino was great! The way he put the "Waltman" on the spot like that. Come to think of it, Vivino played that Steely Dan stuff pretty darn good! He would make a good player for them to use live. How many of those Lonestar shows did you see? I know there was at least 5 or 6 of them. I also caught the show Metheny did with Fagen. It was pure magic. I also remember Rick Danko from "The Band" jamming with Pheobe Snow, Vivino, Anne Ross and a bunch of other great people. Those shows were amazing! I don't think the place even sat more then 400 people.Cheers
Name: Geena
I don't like Mondays
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 19:09:13
Comments:
Michael: Sorry to hear of your illness and I hope you get better real soon. I have a question: Weren't you just a little scared that the surgeons would start dancing and singing while doing surgery on your heart and not paying attention to what they were doing? glad everything turned out alright and get well!
Hank Silvers: Moi? old? I still feel like I'm 18 and yes, you better rephrase that and soon! Almost all of my albums have the "For Promotion Only" stamps on them. I also have a lot of great music thanks to format changes. I have since replaced some of them for the CD version and I couldn't even give them away to used record dealers.Jk: Hey homeboy, you're from MA too?
Fezo: It is my house that now beholds that splendid yellow patch of grass.RubyBaby: sounds like my neighborhood. Listen to Fezo. I did the same thing. I harrassed the cops and got some of the neighbors to do it as well. If you're local police station has a community service department, bug them too. In my neck o the woods it was neglectful parents who kept their young children outside until 2AM. Some of them weren't even home and some of them are substance abusers. It wasn't until DSS woke them out of bed during the daylight hours and slapped them with citations that they smartened up a bit.
There's nothing wrong with getting older, we're just getting mellower and smarter. Age is just a number.
Stranger: It's only because it's Dylan, that his album got rave reviews. Don't get me wrong, I like his music, but when there is nothing else going on in the music biz, they zero in on a sure bet.
Altamira: If Ozzie doesn't work , try U2's "Boy" album. Mine are particularly fond of Paranoid. No, they're not related, 2 of them were strays that found us and my little girl was given to me by my Dad.
Boston got rid of their 1920 clunkers and replaced them with new ones, I'm not sure if they're Boeings, but I know they were made in Canada and I just can't remember the name right now. They do take the old ones out of retirement once in a while. Hey, I was in DC a few years ago and I remember a squirrel chasing me through the park that comes out to the Washington Monument (don't remember the name of the park either, ah memory!). He must have thought that I had food or I was food!
Name: Michael C. Packard
mcpio@inu.net
Location: ". . .any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you . .
.com---in the Pineywoods Forest of Deep East Texas, USA
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 17:27:25
Comments:
Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!!
Well, truly as Walt and Don predicted---". . .living hard will take it's toll. . ." as I have just last week had heart surgery.
No, nothing to get real alarmed about, as I in my 'will' I have designated KatyDanFan as my executor of Steely Dan 'stuff', but she will probably hoard it all to herself. No, truly, she is genuine----the 'real deal' and special. El Supremo should watch out, as those who are lurking might just take the chance!
Oleander, yes---the gold MFSL "Kamakiriad" is my contribution to the one who correctly predicts the release of the "New One".
My prediction is December 1, 1999---so, please log this in your book, kiddo.
Chris, I am still working on the stuff for you, but the hospital and ambulance drivers (paramedics) said 'what' when I told them I wanted them to put in my Steely Dan tape of "Katy Lied" when they transported me from one hospital to another. I was crying, as I am only 46-----why me?
Oh, enough of the BS empathetical osmosis (like that Oleander?)
But, when they were doing surgery, I insisted on them playing my tape of "Live In St. Louis, 1993", a 'boot", and they did.At one point the surgeons and nurses were horizontal, and I was 'vertical' several times. I know this is not possible, as I did not hear any 'lifting' noise to indicate that I had been lifted up---'out-of-body' experience, KatyDanFan???
I can't wait to meet you all (if I do make it to you)!
All My Love,
And Sorry For The News---but I do like "I Got The News"
Saludos My GB'ers Friends!
Your Only Michael
; )
Name: Hank Silvers
@ the second derangement
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:50:55
Comments:
Geena: Yes, radio's low pay and low respect was somewhat made up for by the high likelihood of getting good music cheap. That's one of my favorite radio memories; the periodic dumping of non-format albums with that golden "For Promotion Only" stamp. I came into possession of lots of good music that way (John Hiatt, Steve Earle, China Crisis, many more). And the term "whippersnapper"? No, no, that wasn't meant for you, since I know you're too old to be a whippersnapper...um, uh, let me rephrase that...
DrMu: re: "rock ... with a slide or pedal steel" -- hmm, give the New Country people a few jazz chords, and they'll be heading toward where SD was 25 years ago...
Altamira: thanks for helping some little ones who needed it.
jk: For discussion about St. Augustine, try oleander's splendid pages at http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm. For that matter, try them for lots of cool stuff about SD lyrics.
Name: Peter North
In the Morning I go gunnin'
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:30:32
Comments:
jk- no idea what you're talking about.
Still holding on to my wad until Two Against Nature comes out.
Missing you all dearly, but you've got to stop dwelling on this Skunk thing. Actually, I should move to his district and try to run against him. But wait, wouldn't I have to go to Washington, then? That's no place to keep my epic film career going. Hmmm, I'll have to think long and hard.
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:26:09
Comments:
remember the first time donald and walter played a sd song in public since 74. Jimmy vivino was pleading walter to just play the solo . . . just the solo. And walt had to go back to put on his sweater so that he would look good for the fans
god bless mr vivino.
vivino/zingg on guitars - walt on bass for the next tour sponsored by Depends and the acme Walker co. 2011.
** just in - trak listing for new Cd**
I love my night by night nurse
Live aid, farm aid, medicaid
where'd i put my gold teeth III
babble on alshiemer
my old retirement home
hey ninety
do'nt take me alive (i'm not dead yet)
bad orthopedics
through with metamusil
turn that heartbeat over one more time
I can't write home about . . . who are you again?
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Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:07:49
Comments:
since we are talking about saints, what do you think St. augustine was right about? mr. North?
love jk (thats an order)
send money!!!!!!!
Name: jk
jk
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 14:04:53
Comments:
ok so it's not a little crush. it's hugh. sorry if i embarassed you.
I'm never going to listen to another cut with baxter on it again!
burn any cd or lp with baxter on it!
I love maki: ebi avacado, california, avocado. with a big plate of sauted bean sprouts.
Dinner's on me, peg, if you ever make it to the great commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Has anyone tried love altoids style - very cool very cool.
saw some rare items on ebay for sd.
Walter must be selling his collection.
love jk (thats an order)
send money!!!!!!!
Name: fezo
bustedagain
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 13:29:38
Comments:
Ruby: bug the cops. all the frigging time. have the neighbors complain all the time too. eventually, the police will be so tired hearing from you guys, they'll arrest the ringleaders and the neighborhood will return to sanity except for the guys peeing on your lawn. Or was that Geena's house?
Name: RubyBaby
no.foolin.its.a.fucked.up.world
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 13:00:16
Comments:
Sociable Herm: uh oh ! When I said I was introduced to Al, I meant his music, his craft, his original way of playing guitar, etc. I never met him personally. That's just my way of talking. Does this mean you're mad at me now? But Albert King put so much of himself in his songs - the writing, the playing, the singing, the producing, etc that I feel like I know intimate bits & pieces of him.Geena&DrMu: *Am I getting old?* If getting old means that we recognize poor quality and refuse to settle for mediocrity just for the sake of keeping up with current music, then what's wrong with getting old? While the body is adversely affected by the passage of time, the soul benefits as the days goes by. Why say the emperor is clothed when he's not?
clas: I'm in the mood for foreign films again. Do you have any suggestions?
Guess what? One of our neighbors had to move and they decided to rent their house (unheard of in this neighborhood!) Well, they rented it to a family of prostitutes! Now we have all kinds of *interesting* traffic through here at all hours of the night. I think they make porn flicks over there, judging by the equiptment I see coming & going. The rest of the neighbors, who previously have never spoken, are now working together to get these foks moved out. It's quite a new thing for me to observe. That's all I'm doing at the moment (besides prayin' for all concerned). The key is to act wisely, not rashly. Have you had any experience with this sort of thing? Suggestions are welcome!
fezo: was that you I saw go in there the other night?
rb
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 12:51:24
Comments:
From the LA Times:
"The ponytailed rock 'n' roller in jeans and beret, best known for his twisted guitar solos in bands named after a marijuana cigarette (Doobie Brothers) and a sex toy (Steely Dan)? He's the Republican. Congressional politics in eastern Ventura County and the San Fernando Valley could be about to take a turn for the weird."http://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990523/t000046301.html
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 12:10:52
Comments:
One Seng, slight editorial comment: The LA Times newspaper article in 1999 stated that the release will be on Giant and in fact the Reprise homepage has always had Giant as the release label.
Name: TheStranger
things that don't work
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 11:26:58
Comments:
boston rag has an irritating chorus. it's like one of those tv commercials designed to stick in your mind like fish hook.
but then has anyone else noticed that the same could be said for just about every track of dylan's 'time out of mind,' which the critics raved about because in it zimmy grunted with less mystery about his own inner pain? nobody mentioned the thing was about as musical as a chainsaw.
Name: DrMu
upwind from that banana wind
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 09:43:13
Comments:
Scamster: My 6 year old daughter and I scanned the CDNow sites. They have some songs on hi quality MPEG, which sound not too bad...along with the regular real "tinny" audio. She's the real music critic on the family since she's been able to sing on-key and not since 11 months (well before she could talk). I'm afraid to report she gave the big thumbs down for Sparkler (who have a bit of Collective Soul and Pretzel Logic in them).
BUT, she shocked me and gave the thumbs up for Jimmy Buffett's new one "Beach House on the Moon," especially a song called "Jogging." We sampled 5 songs and they sound like a more focused effort and closer to the Carribean, blues, country, and jazz he tries to put in the blender...maybe he got off the book signing tour. Buffett easily has to be the antithesis of Steely Dan cranking out an album every year whether he need to or not. His new one is the 31st including compilations and live albums. His classics: A1A, Living and Dying in 3/4 Time, White Sport Coat and a Pink Crustacean, and most of Changes in Latitudes/Attitudes were a long, long time ago. In general his albums have gotten goofier and more inconsistent. Indeed, Jimmy Buffett's albums generally are rated by how many margaritas one has to consume before the the product is listenable. The only ones in the last 20 years I could recommend heartily (and have) are One Particular Harbour, Riddles in the Sand, and Barometer Soup (1995). Fruitcakes, Banana Wind, and Don't Stop the Carnival all require a pitcher before hitting the play button. Amanda sez the new one though may be a keeper.
Name: banana republican
pepe's.presidential.palace
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 08:13:03
Comments:
Phil: I am 86% certain that the St. John in "Royal Scam" is in reference to San Juan, Puerto Rico.
Name: Phil
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, england
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 08:07:55
Comments:
A big hello to Dan Fans everywhere, especially in the USA and Passaic NJ.
Lew Chang, I used to live in Campbelltown, about 30k outside Sydney. Perhaps if you go to Sydney you might pop into the Agincourt Hotel and see if my photo is still up on the wall.
Does anyone know where the St Johns is, referred to in Royal Scam? The only one I know is in Newfoundland and that doesn't somehow seem right.
Name: Roy.Scam
they're.not.listening.still.perhaps.they.cut.their.ear.off
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 07:47:21
Comments:
Oleander: Good seeing you again; hope you made it home alright. From what I know of your driving, it must have taken 20 maybe 30 minutes to go that 300 miles.
artful danster: Re: Fear and Loathing, the book may have said all that, but the film said nothing, and took a long, slow path doing it. The word atavistic would definitely apply, though.
Karl Malone for MVP!? Get serious. If that's true, the selection must have been made by that R&R Hall of Fame bunch. -- Tim Duncan and Steely Dan should both take legal action.
Altamira: The latest Eels album is inspired, but in a painful way. Their lead writer suffered a number of personal tragedies in the last couple of years and the record is on fire with desparation, sadness, and attempts at self-consolation and recovery. If you need emotional armor to listen to "11 TOW", you'll need a fallout shelter to listen to this one.
Hermit: Thanks for reminding me of Richard Libertini of "The In Laws". When I went through the Recycle Bin of my memory, I recalled a comedy team with Libertini in it. In one of their bits, he would come to the microphone and speak conversationally, as if telling jokes, but would say nothing but "woof, woof woof woof". Trust me, the routine was funnier than my description of it.
Clas: Just remember what Van Gogh once said: "WHAT? WHAT? Speak up!"
Doc Mu: Sparkler is a good group with a style that's extremely reminiscent of Elvis Costello. And one of their best songs is called "Hey 17" about a guy talking to a 17 year old girl. Sounds like there was some Steely Dan influence there. -- You're right about XTC; they're probably too old to be considered alternative, but they get airplay on some youth oriented programs.
Pile: You have a point. I think I'd avoid putting the word Lamb in the title of a work of art based on those two examples.
RS
Name: Ong Seng Irish
@rumour mongering.org
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 05:33:08
Comments:
Hey Lew; welcome aboard ; here is a brief chronology of Steely Dan's latest album project:
1996-During their last US tour Steely Dan debuted a few new songs, namely 'Cash Only Island' and 'Jack of Speed' and seemed to indicate in a few interviews that an album of new songs was pending
1997-Word spreads through the music world that Steely Dan are indeed recording new songs at studios in New York City.
1998-Conflicting rumours abound about Steely Dan's new material; one has it that sessions were down with 'no name' guys and that after much bickering it was decided to scrap all of these sessions and bring in some of the famous hired hands they'd used in the past....other rumours have it that their contract with Giant Records was cancelled...
1999-US papers list a new release by Steely Dan to be issued in June with the title 'Two Against Nature' and the label being Reprise Records, which put out Fagen's 1993 album....since then the official date for the album, as listed on Reprise's website has been pushed back amid a slew of new rumours ranging from an illness to Fagen to an acrimonious split by the duo...Steely Dan's official website has, while all this is going on, has consistently maintained that a new lp will be issued and that their site will list the release date first....(whew!)
Name: Saddle Soap
be-fuddle
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 05:31:05
Comments:
I know why the caged canary sings...
Name: leather
canary
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 05:18:03
Comments:
morons
Name: Gomer Diamond Pile
gwallee
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 05:11:58
Comments:
Roy
and ever noticed how similar the roaring of the lamb is to the silence of the lambs? What is it with that "lamb" thing anyway? Altamira, you got a clue?
Your Naybor,Jim
Name: Lowell George
anyone got a light?
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 05:03:10
Comments:
Mu: REM is on tour as we speak. Their latest album "Up", (without drummer, Bill Berry), is bitchin!
Hey, you're not far from Retama Park in S.A. Let's go! 5/28 @ 8:00pm.
Call Me Aggie
Name: Two Against One
beeswaxonthetracks
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 04:54:53
Comments:
Yeah, but Van Gogh would have ended up dead regardless and who's to say those brilliant color schemes weren't alcohol induced?
Just Kidding, Clas. It's Ok to drink two glasses of Red Wine every day.
But you shouldn't try to be like Van Gogh.
Love,Two Against One
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 at 03:48:39
Comments:
OMIO - yeah, Bill Champlin. I really like this guy. He played with Jay Graydon here in Stockholm a couple of years ago. Very funny and a great organ/guitar-player. And he sings like a god.
Altamira - "...life is rough, you do what you need to do to get through it..."
Do you mean that if life's a bitch, it will get better with cocaine? A very drugromantic point of view.
I think that, for example, van Gogh never had ended up on a funny farm if he had quit drinking.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 23:15:05
Comments:
Roy Scam - I had a friend who was quite fond of the Eels - their most recent CD was one of the few that he took with him to listen to during his final stay in the hospital, and he told me that it was just great and that I should listen to it - it was the only CD he ever recommended to me. I really must buy it. I lost interest in popular music years ago, most of it is just so boring and lacking in artistic value; that's why I listen almost exclusively to classical music these days. I do like k.d. lang, though, and not just because' she's attractive.Mitch - Ok, I'd gotten the impression that Peter Hamill was Irish. I must read The Drinking Life soon. By the way, I wasn't the one who nominated Boston Rag for worst song, although I don't like it much. However, I did say a while back that I don't like Pretzel Logic, although I have reconsidered and there are few tracks on it I like.
Geena - Maybe I should try playing Ozzie for my cats. Are your three related? Three of mine, Artemis, Jane, and Cerridwen, are littermates - I found them abandoned in the woods about 40 miles from here when I was on a long bike ride - I rented a car the next day and drove out there and picked them up. Your city still had streetcars from the 1920s? Wow. Streetcars back then had a lot of problems, the PCCs were designed to overcome a lot of problems that the earlier streetcars had had. New Orleans still uses some streetcars from the 1920s; I think they are Charles Thompsons, not the Peter Witts that were used in other cities (by the way, the streetcar system in New Orleans is the oldest in the world - it started as a horsecar line in 1806). What kind of streetcars do you have now? Not Boeings, I'm sure - they should have stuck with aircraft, their rail vehicles are horrible.
Sociable Hermit - We have a lot of squirrels around here. There's a park near where I live that has a lot of squirrels in pale colors - some albino squirrels were born in the park a few years ago, and they have bred with the regular-colored squirrels so there are now squirrels in varying shades of pale grey and pale tan, and at least one with stripes. We now have one of the pale grey squirrels in the courtyard in front of my aparment building; it's white with gray tips on its hairs. I remember Richard Libertini from Soap - I loved that show. I thoroughly enjoyed the In-Laws; very funny movie. There's a scene where the dictator is showing the two in-laws a recent painting of him (I think it was a design for a postage stamp?) and they ask him if the bare-breasted woman in the painting is his wife; he answers that she's a local prostitute.
Clas - Lowell George died right here in DC at a hotel in Georgetown; I think it was the Four Seasons. It was sad; I wish he'd taken better care of himself, but, hey, life is rough, you do what you need to do to get through it.
Just Katy - No, I'm not familiar with the Pottery Place since I haven't been to Fenwick Island in many years and I don't think it was there then. If I ever get down that way again, I'll have to stop in since I'm quite interested in ceramics.
Name: Is the date for the New One really
May 2000?
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 21:07:09
Comments:
What the fuck is going on?
Name: artful dodger
i.o.u.from brooklyn
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 20:32:00
Comments:
Fear&Loathing ,like its precursor " Heart of Darkness ",questions the very foundations of western civilization.It measures the american experience in human and moral terms. The journey to vegas (or up river towards Kurtz in the original )exposes the atavistic memory of savage passions and brutal instincts lurking in the 'wilderness' .
"Separation from his instinctual nature inevitably plunges civilized man into the conflict between conscious and unconcious, spirit and nature, knowledge and faith, a split that becomes pathological the moment his consciousness is no longer able to neglect or suppress his instinctual side." Carl JungNow Kingpin, on the other hand... jeez i don't know
Name: Geena
under a moonlit sky
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 20:06:53
Comments:
Clas: I don't know what the golfshore is, maybe you mean gulf shore? Anyway, Chicago members are all the same except Peter Cetera who left to do his own thing, drummer Danny Seraphine who mysteriously disappeared, and of course my beloved Terry Kath who left the band and all of us in 1978 or 1979.
My belief for them playing smaller venues is because they don't pull in the money they used to. I mean there are bands like Pearl Jam, etc. who pull in the big bucks because their demographic listening audience is younger and will spend the money to see them, whereas older audiences have more discriminating tastes, and don't attend many concerts. We're not young adults anymore. I prefer smaller venues, they're much cozier and more intimate. Chicago and The Doobie Brothers are playing on the same bill here July 11, the venue is pretty large but that's because of the double billing. I'll be there working at the concert that night collecting signatures to get them into the RRHOF and supporting my friends in both bands.OMIO: Hey thanks for the suggestion! I will try MP3.com as soon as I finish posting here. I love Acid Jazz. There was a TV ad for a local supermarket that was around here last year. There was this great acid jazz music in the background while they showed this woman's butt slinking through the supermarket with a tear in the left pocket of her jeans. I've been trying to find this piece of music ever since. I think it's George Benson, but I may be wrong.
DrMu: Today's music sucks so badly that my radio button is set on permanent scan. While there is some good stuff out there, there really isn't enough of it, and I can't get into country music. Am I also getting too old?
Stranger: the last time I did a voice over with adenoids still intact, I played a Jewish mother with a heavy Brooklyn accent talking about her daughters Bas Mitzvah, now my voice is smooth and silky without the nasal twang. Oh, I may sound like Diana Krall now, but affirmative action protects me so I can still get side jobs.
Ole: Sounds like you're all having a good time. Don't forget to get the recipe for the Strawberry Pie and pass it along when you do.
Name: DrMu
and ever
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 20:03:11
Comments:
Roy: Big fan as you know of BF5 - the imp musician and his 2 live crew. We just don't hear them here on the radio, and on their new one they've seemed to make the Dan transition from live sounding band to studio entity and appear to be sounding more serious (although I thought they sounded swell on Letterman). Counting Crows are very good - just haven't heard them on the radio here in 3 years. XTC are one of the greats - but they're old enough (20+ years as a group) to be your budding musicians Grandfathers or at least teetering uncles, and they haven't toured in years I don't think. DMB, I've mentioned. REM is/was a great band - but will they tour again without their drummer? I think I've heard the Mommyheads and Rufus Wainright in the music store and thought they were OK. I know Radiohead is a critical fav, but just can't get into them - I prefer a little "Garbage" more. But they're (Radiohead & Garbage) not doing anything the dBs weren't doing better 20 years ago.
Have to take your word on the others: Seahorses, Superdrag, Weezer, Travis, Sparkler, DMB, Apples In Stereo, Gomez, Eels, and Longpigs. Oye, the names these kids come up with! I guess my point is that other music like country, hip hop, and Tejano, have become more popular overall. Like a species, rock *may* have outlived it's time (would that really be such a bad thing?) Unless there's some metamorphosis, and of the those groups that you mentioned, BF5 is the only one capable of changing the way the music is played...but then I'm just growing old - and don't have time time or energy to listen to all the new stuff. Could be that our pop stations just suck, I don't know. Honestly, I'd rather have an R&B revival than a rock revival anyway...or a jazz revival? nah - I wish.
Name: Roy.Scam
negativity.won't.pull.you.through
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 19:21:50
Comments:
fagin: You're as cheeky as your bloody namesake in Oliver Twist. "Kingpin" was watchable and even ended with a Blues Traveler song, which is O.K. in my book. It was a virtual "The Deer Hunter" compared to "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", an intolerable shamble which I defy you to watch without achieving irritation and boredom.
Boston Rag , as Q said, just has too good a middle guitar break to make any 'worst'lists. I agree, however, that the lyrics are cryptic to the point of loss of interest. even the great Oleander couldn't compile a sufficiently expository analysis of that one. We had this 'weakest cut' discussion some months ago, and most of us agreed you could take the 10 least inspiring Dan songs and still make a killer album by anyone else's standards. But please don't include Ida Lee, Soul Ram, This Seat Is Taken, or Roaring of the Lamb.
I hate to be negative, but , as long as we're being constructively critical: I'm a fan of musicals, but please destroy anyone who starts to make another play like "Cats".
Mu: I'm no expert on modern alternative music, but I have teenage sons who are musicians, and I've heard a lot of decent stuff. BF5 and the Mommyheads are definite winners, and in the not too bad category I'd put, as a minimum, Seahorses, Counting Crows, Superdrag, Weezer, Travis, Radiohead, Rufus Wainwright, XTC, Sparkler, DMB, Apples In Stereo, Gomez, Eels, and Longpigs.
But then, listening to other people's musical opinions is like sifting through a diamond pile to find dung. No, wait, that was stupid; don't anybody use that.
RS
Name: OMIO
tiemepayoladown,sport
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 16:21:22
Comments:
Clas: The Shining was filmed at Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood.. Somewhere in there, Jack Nicholson carved his name..
Chicago & Jazz: Also with Chicago is Bill Champlin, who does the vocal on the theme song for "In The Heat Of The Night". The first real "Jazz-Rock" or "Acid Jazz" I heard was Quicksilvers "Gold & Silver" from their first LP.. I heard 'em live in 66 & there was absolutely NOTHING like that band.. Made the Dead sound like noodling fools..
The other Proto-Jazz-Rock band was Sons Of Champlin, headed up by the above mentioned Bill Champlin.. They play the Fillmore June 4th..
Those 2 bands pre-dated Steely Dan, but I can tell you both Gary Duncan & Bill Champlin are seriously Impressed with SD.. I find their music all very compatible, & Hey Geena, those 3 bands make for some Killer Segues.. Try "Black Friday" followed by "Sugarpie" from the QS Shapeshifter album.. (check MP3.com)
Name: Oh My
Oh My
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 15:40:24
Comments:
How can anyone say Kingpin stunk? It was rude, funny and disgusting. Just like Steely Dan.
Name: pipt at the post
great expectations
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 15:34:20
Comments:
boston rag doesn't work in the chorus- the tempo is turgid, the melodic descent banal and its lyrically below par too , don't mind the verse though. As for kingpin- mother mary and joesph that movie stunk.Ed Wood would have pulled the plug on that one.Only highlight was Bill Murray's combover.
Name: Just
noticed
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 15:20:34
Comments:
the punch photo.
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 13:43:49
Comments:
I'm sorry, but the guitar is too rippin' to qualify Boston Rag as "worst song" !
I'd say there's got to be something on Pretzel Logic side B that could take the prize !Q
Name: O'Toole
wa
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 12:31:32
Comments:
faigen--- worst movie "Kingpin"? Worst SD song "The Boston Rag"?.... please get a clue sir.
Name: DrMu
sealed up tight
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 11:30:30
Comments:
Full asbestos jacket: There's not mucj on the radi these days in the pop vein that exites me. I was thinking about favorites, and I just didn't have any currents Am I just growing old? The flipping around the dial on the way home, I can't avoid the numerous country stations andy longer. There's one that plays mostly "new" country (rock essentially with a slide or pedal steel - really a Nashville kind of Jimmy Buffett). I heard this very good song "29 Nights" not by Deanna Carter but another blond. Smooth vocals (they don't sing through their noses as much), great production and engineering, lyrical melody. Some of the other songs I heard weren't bad either. I heard some good musicianship. After a while, since Nashville is conservative, the production of songs by different artists sounds similar...but pretty solid. I haven't converted yet, but it seems like the only rock bands who still play rock (not warmed over grunge which was warmed over new wave and punk anyway - if you want to clear your system, a good dose of the Ramones' "Rocket to Russia" will do) are Dave Matthews Band and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers...where's my old shortwave radio? the NPR station has cut "real jazz" (not the Vibraphonic shit - ironic as Steely Dan invented acid jazz) down to 4 hours a week.
Name: mitch
mt.belzoni
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 11:26:33
Comments:
ALTA: Pete H the author oh A Drinking Life was born in America . I think you will enjoy this book of his subculture and problem with booze. The BOSTON RAG is far from worst SD cut , the guitar entry is killer,but thats why we post here,everyone has their opinion
Name: Clas
I'm bored too, Geena
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 10:38:14
Comments:
Rubybaby - got to check my Altzheimers too next week: forgot to answer your Kubrick-ques: I haven't seen Clockwork Orange. Have seen The Shining and Full Metal Jacket. The Shining is one of the best. That hotel is real scary.
"That is my rifle / this is my gun
That is for fighting / this is for fun"
Rama Rama Ding Dong
C
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 10:25:39
Comments:
Geena - so they're still playing. Like Blood Sweat & Tears, Chicago, casinobands on the golfshore. I don't take them seriously anymore. Sometimes they are even playing small small gigs out in the woods here in Sweden. I think the only ones left in Chicago are Robert Lamm and James Pankow.
RubyBaby - I check my Sternum Agony Pain every week. At different docs and ER's though. Don't want people to think I'm crazy.
Name: fagin
dickens not donald
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 08:09:41
Comments:
worst movie- kingpin with woody harrelson
worst t.v. presenter-barbara walters
worst keyboard-casio
worst soda-calpis or pocari sweat (both from japan and euphonious)
worst steely dan song- boston rag
worst billy joel song - anything
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 04:44:33
Comments:
The Washington Post and Salon magazine have now jumped on the Skunk Baxter campaign.
http://www.washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-05/21/021l-052199-idx.html
http://www.salonmagazine.com:80/people/col/reit/1999/05/21/major/index.html
I knew I liked this guy; working at a large bomb factory and having done some work on Star Wars and Peackeeper in my youth I think Jeff will help keep food on the table for my family for years to come.
Name: peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 at 01:13:37
Comments:
jk: gosh, hi.
Lucky Henry: Did you save any JD for me?
Jive Miguel: OB is also my fav place. I lived there (on Spray St) for my first 3 years in San Diego, and I still go there sometimes just because it *feels* right. Ever eaten at Nati's?
Name: TheStranger
gotta meander
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 21:52:59
Comments:
myra,
you still there? haven't heard from you. figured you ran away and joined the circus. sounds like you're with a pair of likkered up partners.geena,
how can you do voicovers without adenoids? or is the adenoid-deprived minority protected by affirmative action?lew chang and those interested in new cd. latch onto this:
http://pages.prodigy.com/sdresource/
Name: fezo
beamingbrainwavesdownI64
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 20:39:08
Comments:
Roy et al:
you left out the MVP of The Last Waltz, Danko. His lead on "It Makes No Difference" and duet with Neil on "Helpless" have been rewound many a time on my VCR.
If you guys can't sleep, drive west. I think Ole still has directions from my attempts to get DanFest 3 moved 120 miles west last summer.
Knock twice.
Name: oleander & Roy.Scam & Myra
east of the moon
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 20:27:21
Comments:
What a brain summit we are having in Virginia this evening.
fezo: My selection for best live performance is "Ophelia" from The Last Waltz. Pretty good cast for that movie: Robertson, Helm, Scorcese, Clapton, Dylan,
...Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Dr. John, Neil Young... [this is from oleander]--One of the best films ever. Other great extended music video: "Stop Making Sense." Hey Myra, bitchen strawberry pie! Pass the Community Coffee with chicory!
... John Lee Hooker, Niel Diamond (you know, the Jazz Singer), and Emmilou. (Roy)
I have nothing to say! I'm just present with these two SD wantabe's and trying to keep up.
MyraAs if! [o] Woops! The party calls. Later for you guys!
Name: Geena
ok, so i'm bored for the moment
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 20:24:40
Comments:
Stranger: Is your source currently housed in an institution for the wildly insane? Leaping through windows, smashing heads into walls, swallowing *gag* clarinets? Who are these children that scheme and run wild? gotta go, i'm moonlighting at Joe's Bar and Grill and have to deliver tequila and fritos to these two regular customers, and I heard they're cheap tippers too.
Hank Silvers: you calling me a whippersnapper? Another radio memory: I was cleaning out the music library and was told to get rid of a certain number of albums because they were replacing them with CD's. I came across lots of great stuff, some of it i kept for myself, but a lot of them were scratched and played to death. When I started in radio, music was recorded from album to cart, those were the days, but you knew that! The best job I had was when I worked the midnight to 5AM shift on the air for this little radio station in East Overshoe, Connecticut. I played lots of Lionel Richie and Madonna. The PD was this kid that had just graduated from college, but he paid me well and left me alone for the most part. I've been out of it for a while, but I still get called to do local voice overs once in a while, after all I'm still in the union!
Clas: The Doobies are still pretty much a biker band as most of the band members are still riding and have a very large following. The number of bikes lined up before each of their concerts is unbelievable, all this shiny chrome and leather, it's really quite a scene. Tommy Johnston rejoined the band several years ago and they're back to their original style of music. Not sure but I know they have a new album coming out I think by the end of summer.
Altamira: Ahhh welcome to kittenhood! I have 3 and the tag games in this house are too funny! They seem to calm down when I play a little Ozzie for them.
We still have streetcars here that run below and above ground. The city officials finally got rid of the old 1920 clunkers that were devoid of heat and air conditioning. They rattled and shook with each and every bump in the road, and you feared the loss of body part. Now we have the state of the art cars that are pretty impressive with the exception of the derelicts that travel on them. That's how I usually got to work on the mornings I was running late. Rumor has it that there is a faultline under the 14th street subway station in Manhattan, and I know of one we have one in MA down on the Cape.
DrMu: Payola was great if one didn't get caught doing it. Of course, a lot of the DJ's got payola in the form of illicit substances. I know....I found remnants on my desk every morning. I loved Spinal Tap for it's comedic value, and I can watch it over and over and still find lines that I never heard before, but I watched the Metallica story a few months ago on VHI and I was totally disgusted with Jim Hetson. I think someone forgot to tell him he's not such a young studly man anymore. A lot of his beliefs he spoke of were probably meant to impress 16 year old girls, as his ego is taller than he, but he didn't impress me in the least, even if I were 16!
Name: Sociable Hermit
.
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 20:14:41
Comments:
Ruby:
Wow, you met Albert?! Was he as imposing looking in person as he seems? When did you meet him, and under what circumstances? I've got the album with "Laundromat Blues" on it, but even better, I like the album with the song, "Answer To The Laundromat Blues", which is called, "I'll Play The Blues For You". What a fantastic
guitar player!
Also, my cave is in Illinois. I think the a lot of squirrels that crossed the border last summer to witness the other side of the McGuire/Sosa home run derby got stuck here when they had trouble raising the money to get back home. They also seem to have adapted nicely to the subtle differene between St.Louis and Chicago blues: all of my squirrels took up the harmonica.Later,
Herm
Name: Lew Chang
peterliz@rivers.aunz.net.
Location: wyrallah, NSW Australia
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 20:09:12
Comments:
Hi from Australia! Just easing into your space. Another Dan fan from way back. What`s all this about a new CD? Somebody please tell me more........by!
Name: lucky henry
stuck @inside
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 15:55:54
Comments:
jk: re: peg: totally. i really like her, too. (But i'm in love with her duaghter.)
Chris R.: Re: your #1 choice (KOTW)--not weird; many would have put it in their top ten. Great keyboard and bass song.... I revisited it last night after a long hiatus but my fingers fell like bricks on the keys.
Say, my local coin dealer (who sells trinkets on the side) just picked up a nice clarinet on consignment. Would you pay $100. for a used clarinet? I kinda thought my next piece would be an acoustic six-string or an alto sax. But a C-note (yuk-yuk) for a clarinet seems like a bargain!
rb: oh, i'm *Good*, Baby. But when i'm Bad, i'm really, Really Good. i hear you're mad about Kubrick. I like your eyes i like him, too...
"...Jack Daniels, channel-hoppin'..."
lucky henry
Name: RubyBaby
Rhythm@ndBlues
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 15:33:07
Comments:
Sociable Herm: You like Albert King? I was intoduced to Al by a person from Missouri. Your cave is in Missouri, unless I'm mistaken. (You mentioned all those squirrels before, and I know that Missouri is the squirrel capital of the world.) I love Laundromat Blues, the album & the title cut!clas: I saw an ad for a movie directed by Stanley Kubric. For some reason I thought you would like it. Do you dig Stanley's films?
Have you checked yourself for sternum pains, lately? That picture is a hoot! But you're looking better all the time! How do you manage that?Another thing that men have easy: they age gracefully
rb
Name: Sociable Hermit
Yes!
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 15:28:55
Comments:
Roy Scam: Yes, that is the movie. The man who played the dictator was Richard Libertini, a hilarious character actor who was part of a comedy duo, (cannot think of the other guy's name, damn!), who made frequent TV appearences in the 60's and 70's on shows like the Smothers Brothers, Ed Sullivan, Flip Wilson, etc. He also played the part of the Godfather in, I believe, the first two seasons of Soap.
In the movie "The In-Laws", Alan Arkin and Peter Falk are potential father-in-laws who have never met before the movie begins, even though their children are scheduled to be married in a short period of time. Arkin is a nervous, Wasp-y dentist, and Falk, it turns out, is secretly an agent for the CIA, or is he? And that's where the fun is, when Falk drags Arkin against his will to South America to meet this dictaor played by Richard Libertini. I won't give anymore away, but needless to say, if anyone reading this has not seen the movie before, or if it's been a while since your last viewing, go out immediately to your local video store and rent it. It's really, really good.Now, I must go; I hear the muffled screams of a worm in the bottom of a bottle of tequila, and I must rescue it.
Later,
Herm
Name: TheStranger
good news and bad news
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 14:29:39
Comments:
my sources are undegoing therapy and using extreme medication, but here's the deal---
new cd not completed yet because of controversy over medical insurance and cost of security. high incidence of self-inflicted wounds and severe emotional-psychological maladies among engineers and musicians connected with the studio work. mostly, after the 20 years it's taken to get through the first cut, there has been multitude of people smashing their heads into walls, leaping through windows, swallowing clarinets, that kind of thing. lloyds of london won't renew. but that first cut is rumored to be an outstanding four minutes of music and walt and dan are doing fine and just sent out for more tequila and fritos.
Name: fezo
orisitmemorex
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 12:08:28
Comments:
Besides the oft-mentioned Waiting for Columbus, other favorite concert albums over the decades . . .
Commodores Live. Great stuff for a soulless white boy growing up in the sticks of Virginia. Whistles and horns and lots of suggestive lyrics. "36-24-36. She's a brick and a half"
Fleetwood Mac. The first one. Came out after "Tusk". Besides the obligatory run through of the hits, the two disc set is basically Buckinghmam cut loose. Wore the album out and unfortunately have never been able to find a replacement
Springsteen. Three CD's was a bit much but "Darlington County" alone makes the purchase worth it.
Name: El Freako Puertorico
the silicon chip inside her head, switched to overload
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 11:39:26
Comments:
Great live tunes: That list would have to include Sting doing a live version of Message In A Bottle from The Secret Policemans Ball. Also not a bad version of Tell Me Why I Don't Like Monday's by... some dude name Bob.
It's Freaky Friday, man.
Name: Hank Silvers
don't get me started, whippersnapper
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 11:27:14
Comments:
These posts about radio sure bring back the memories. I went straight many years ago, but while I was there (back in the days of vinyl records with skips, pops and cue burn), it was a real education.
Every job ultimately sucked, but one of them was pretty good for a little while. Small town in Ohio, real loose format, the PD was laid-back, and we all got along.
Of course, it couldn't last. New ownership took over, and while we didn't lose our jobs right away, the format changed from WKRP-style rock and roll to What The Consultants Wanted: Lionel Richie and Madonna. The thrill was gone, and most of us quit within a few weeks, which was what they wanted anyway.
Dr.Mu: "Electrons dancing" is one I've always liked, too. The line reminds me more of Bruce Cockburn than Steely Dan.
ole: Thanks, good to be back.
Name: DrMu
plenty of Jaffa
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 08:09:54
Comments:
KDF: McDonald, Skunk, and Jeff Porcaro all participated in SDs last 70s tour in 1974 before Walter and Donald hung up the travelin' spurs. I believe that Skunk Baxter joined the Doobie Bros. for 1974's "What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits" (or something to that effect) because he LIKED to tour at that time and so did the Doobies. He had a incindiary guitar solo on "Rock Me" from '75s "Stampede" which also has another interesting song "Cheat the Hangman." Michael McDonald was part of the core of the Katy Lied album in 1975, and then shifted the Doobies to an R&B feel in 1976 with "Takin' It to the Streets."
Name: Chris Farley Show
RS Network
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 05:51:29
Comments:
Donald Fagen, it's great to have you on the show. Do you remember when you did that Reelin' In the Years song and then screwed it all up 20 years later and did it live like a be-bop thing?
Yes, I remember.
That was awesome. (pause) Remember when you did that album "Groucho", did you really date a 19 year old girl?
Actually, that was Gaucho.
Oh, ... Idiot! (pulling own hair). I'm such an idiot.
That's O.K. You're doing fine.
Really? Thanks. ... Do you think Micheal McDonald ruined the Doobie Brothers?
Well, I ...
Did you ever get to meet Bob Dylan? That Delegation Row song is so awesome.
Name: Roy.Scam
talk.to.pepe
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 05:25:23
Comments:
Katy: I'm guessing they didn't put FM and Western World on Gaucho because they didn't want it to look like a compilation album.
GK John: O.K. You can be the brother I never had but I get the bottom bunk and first dibs on Dad's Fairlane.
Herm: Amen on Doris Day. A truly great voice; if she wasn't America's sweetheart, she would have been remembered as a legendary vocalist. Remember Rock Hudson's remark: "I knew her before she was a virgin." ? --- Are you talking about "The In Laws", the movie where Alan Arkin was a worry wart and Peter Falk kept getting him into dangerous shit? That was hilarious. Remember that South American dictator that painted a face on his hand?
My desert island list: Countdown to Ecstasy, Blood on the Tracks, Magical Mystery Tour, Good Old Boys, Highway 61 Revisited, Whatever and Ever Amen, Nitefly, Northern Lights/Southern Cross. You don't want to even conjecture about what I'll do to amuse myself on that island after the batteries in the CD player go dead.
Best comedy routine: Richard Pryor's wino and junkie. ("Just tell me where I'm gonna get a job pressin' license plates.")
RS
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 03:54:08
Comments:
jk: what do you consider cheap? email me and I will give you a couple of sources - but I would not consider any of them cheap - reasonable, considering the Yen/$ thing but not cheap.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 00:45:32
Comments:
JustKaty - according to what I have read, Doobie Brothers was an opening act to Steely Dan. At the time, Doobies was more of a motorbikeband, I think the leader and singer was Tom Johnston. He became sick and mac Donald took his place, and Skunk also joined the band. The musical style was completely changed.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 at 00:30:44
Comments:
re Lowell George: he was on a gig, on the hotel he complained over chestpains (well, tell me about it). Later they found him dead in his room. Pretty much the same way Andy Gibb, Jeff Porcaro died after a long time use of cocaine. Destroys the heartmuscle and calcifications the coronary vessels of the heart. So, to say that he overdosed isn't quite right.
Later, Jackson Browne wrote a great song dedicated to Lowells daughter - Song For Missing Persons (a song so wild and blue).
Ole - sorry if the medical terms wasn't quite right. Maybe you can make sense of that.
Social Hermit - okay, have to find another line for that night.
Geena - yeah, I have seen the Bronx Tale. Thanks for telling me who this Chaz was. The gangster.
KatyDanFan - it's alright, I think we're gonna make it.
Name: JustKaty
oh, shopping...
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 22:04:42
Comments:
Oleander and Altamira: Then you both know the Pottery Place on Fenwick Island? Just as you hit Fenwick Island below Dewey, before you hit Ocean City? A favorite shopping place of mine for the last ten years while vacationing in OC.JK
Name: TheKatyDanFan
...tired, but happily listening to SD...
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 21:54:59
Comments:
Ole: I liked your point re: favorites, they do evolve over time, sometimes moment by moment, of course that might be primarily for those of us who have mood swings. *grin*
Nevertheless,
Herm: am with you on favorite artist, Monet, I'd love to go to Giverney in France someday. (And one of my favorite ways to spend an afternoon is going to an art museum.) Your sleep preference I believe is in the category of Favorite Un-BenFranklin sayings.and GKJohn: Best intro, definitely! good old Jerome, I'll never get over it. Too funny.
David: El Supremo and I will take you up on playing Deacon Blues for us, thanks! Btw, did you know that Q is sharing your Florida Room??
RoyScam: Great idea re: the second Gaucho album. Why do you suppose they didn't do that??
Clas: K, Sunday night it is, don't be late! I have to give Ruby her Kool-aid by then.
Question: How long was Jeff Baxter with SteelyDan and how long was he with the Doobie Brothers, and what year did the Doobie Brothers get started? And since Michael McDonald sang with SD and then with the Doobie Brothers, I'm wondering, did Baxter and McDonald leave the Dan at the same time and is that when the Doobies were "born?" Just curious!
El Supremo: Thinking of you, ILYM!
JustKaty :)
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Apologies galore,
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 21:52:19
Comments:
I didn't mean to send that thing twice; I don't know what happened. I am sorry.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Anne's Cat House,
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 21:47:25
Comments:
Warning: Frustrated off-topic rant. I just wish that big, normally sweet-tempered Jane would learn to get along with her new, little, adopted sister Nyja. All this growling, fighting, knocking over my plants and furniture, breaking my belongings, and waking me up at night is getting on my last nerve. I keep playing Steely Dan and Donald Fagen music in an attempt to calm them down, but it's not working. At least the other three cats are being good.
Sishead - Good joke; definitely right on target.
Rabbit - I'll have to check that out, since I may be in the market for 11TOW soon. By the way, when I was working as a polo groom, I worked with a horse named Rabbit. He had been abused by his former owners, which made him rather jumpy and earned him his name, but he was much admired because he was so fit that he never broke a sweat at polo matches. (Yes, I had mentioned a horse named Stranger a while back - I worked with many horses over the years and I frequently come across their names in other contexts.)
Ruby Baby - So that was from Surf and/or Die? To be honest, one reason I haven't made a big effort to find 11TOW is that I have read about this song and I didn't think I was quite up to dealing with it. I've had several friends die recently, including one really close friend who died in November, and I'd gotten the impression that this song was pretty intense and I didn't think I was ready to listen to it. But I could buy the CD anyway, and then listen to it when I feel ready. That is a wonderful neologism, though; I love creative uses of language.
Mitch - But didn't Fagen produce 11TOW? Obviously, they do need each other. But perhaps there wasn't enough of Fagen's influence to make the CD salable; he does tend to have a softer, more accessible sound than Becker (of course, I haven't heard the CD in question; this is just based on other impressions I've gotten regarding that CD and the way that Fagen and Becker operate in general; once I hear it, I'll have a clearer impression).
Omio - The only version of Who Do You Love that I'm familiar with is the one by George Thorogood and the Delaware Destroyers, a group I just love (the crusty grammarian in me jumps up and says that it should be Whom Do You Love). But it's a great song, and I'm sure that Quicksilver Messenger Service does a fine version of it; I've heard good things about them.
The Stranger - Oh, that Peter Hamill! I didn't recognize the name. I read Snow in August a few months ago and thought it was just the most wonderful book - magical realism, revenge fantasies, good triumphing over evil - oh, what more could you want? I e-mailed everyone I knew and told them to read that book. I must read The Drinking Life and everything else that Mr. Hamill has written; what a wonderful author. By the way, for an Irish author, he sure did know a lot about life in New York in the 1940s - he must research well. I can think of a few other authors who have totally nailed down the sense of another country and another time; it just takes a lot of hard work.
Sociable Hermit - Yes, that is a very attactive part of a woman's body; I get all shivery just thinking about it. I'd prefer to stay up late and sleep late too, but then I am, like you, I suppose, a night person - that's why I always read and post to this list right before I go to bed - my mind is the most alert at this time of night. Once my home business finally takes off and I don't have to do temp work anymore, I will be able to work late at night, when I can do my best work. I hope you have found some way of capitalizing on that surge of energy that comes late in the evening.
David in the Florida Room - an interesting mix of people is not something you can find just anywhere - there are a lot of astoundingly dull people out in the world. Enjoy the interesting folk wherever you can find them. And WB and DF are two of the most intelligent, creative, and imaginative people I've ever come across - you are wise in your tastes. Once again, best of luck with your CD - let me know where I can get it when it is released - my interest has been piqued.
Sociable Hermit - I have a Benny Goodman CD myself. Great music. I especially love "Sing, Sing, Sing" - there's nothing about singing on that track, just some wonderfully wild percussion. Swing music could be delightfully roots-oriented. Also, I adore Frank Sinatra - I must buy one of his CDs one of these days. I just need some more money! Also, I thought it was "water," not "wallet," Fagen's diction has always been quite clear.
Roy Scam - Oh, my, you've really scared me off now - I remember hearing my mother's voice on my answering machine after she died. I think I'll wait until I have some nice, strong emotional armor in place before I listen to 11TOW; it sounds like way more than I can handle just now. But I am looking forward to hearing it one of these days; it does sound truly marvelous.
Clas - Oh, I didn't think you were being rude. I understand about Lisa's pictures. Do you mean streetcars running in tunnels? I've read that streetcars in this country that were running in tunnels, such as Boston, Newark and Philadelphia, survived the bad time when all the streetcar systems were being dismantled far better than the systems that didn't run underground, including our wonderful system here in DC, which even had air-conditioned cars back in the early 60s when they were truly a novelty. The streetcar system in L.A. is being rebuilt after a 40-year hiatus (it does run underground part of the way; I haven't been following the news on the heavy rail); they've run into some stupid planning problems, but it seems to be well on its way again. Speaking of fault lines, we have the occasional earthquake around here too (a number of minor ones in recent years), and I've read that there is greater potential for a truly catastrophic earthquake here in the east than there is in California. The worst earthquake to ever occur in this country happened in Missouri in 1846, and we could have another one even worse than that - if I'm on the Washington Metro at the time, I'll just be permanently trapped down there (fortunately, we'd probably all be crushed to death right away rather than lingering). California has more mid-level quakes than we do, but we are more likely to have The Big One than they are. But, hey, life is not safe and there are no guarantees; might as well ride the Metro and live dangerously.
Brave, Studly and Wise - You know how to use commas in a parenthetical clause - many cheers for you; I'd send a bouquet if I could. Poor punctuation drives me crazy; you have restored my faith in humanity's ability to use punctuation marks, a rare thing these days (the crusty grammatical curmudgeon says).
Oleander - The movie sounds quite enlightening; I hope I get a chance to see it around here. Damn, I sure know enough about children living out their parents' follies - I'll go no further. I would like to see the film, though; any suggestions? You're right; we don't have the control over our lives some of us wish we did, and it's illuminating to explore where this limitation leads us. I've been to Fenwick Island; it's gorgeous and still has a bit of wildness about it; at least it did the last time I was there.
Apropos of nothing - I bought a used book tonight because it was endorsed by William Gibson, whom I have read likes Steely Dan and vice versa. Dang, I am stepping off into excessive fandom! It looks like a good book, though.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Anne's Cat House,
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 21:45:21
Comments:
Warning: Frustrated off-topic rant. I just wish that big, normally sweet-tempered Jane would learn to get along with her new, little, adopted sister Nyja. All this growling, fighting, knocking over my plants and furniture, breaking my belongings, and waking me up at night is getting on my last nerve. I keep playing Steely Dan and Donald Fagen music in an attempt to calm them down, but it's not working. At least the other three cats are being good.
Sishead - Good joke; definitely right on target.
Rabbit - I'll have to check that out, since I may be in the market for 11TOW soon. By the way, when I was working as a polo groom, I worked with a horse named Rabbit. He had been abused by his former owners, which made him rather jumpy and earned him his name, but he was much admired because he was so fit that he never broke a sweat at polo matches. (Yes, I had mentioned a horse named Stranger a while back - I worked with many horses over the years and I frequently come across their names in other contexts.)
Ruby Baby - So that was from Surf and/or Die? To be honest, one reason I haven't made a big effort to find 11TOW is that I have read about this song and I didn't think I was quite up to dealing with it. I've had several friends die recently, including one really close friend who died in November, and I'd gotten the impression that this song was pretty intense and I didn't think I was ready to listen to it. But I could buy the CD anyway, and then listen to it when I feel ready. That is a wonderful neologism, though; I love creative uses of language.
Mitch - But didn't Fagen produce 11TOW? Obviously, they do need each other. But perhaps there wasn't enough of Fagen's influence to make the CD salable; he does tend to have a softer, more accessible sound than Becker (of course, I haven't heard the CD in question; this is just based on other impressions I've gotten regarding that CD and the way that Fagen and Becker operate in general; once I hear it, I'll have a clearer impression).
Omio - The only version of Who Do You Love that I'm familiar with is the one by George Thorogood and the Delaware Destroyers, a group I just love (the crusty grammarian in me jumps up and says that it should be Whom Do You Love). But it's a great song, and I'm sure that Quicksilver Messenger Service does a fine version of it; I've heard good things about them.
The Stranger - Oh, that Peter Hamill! I didn't recognize the name. I read Snow in August a few months ago and thought it was just the most wonderful book - magical realism, revenge fantasies, good triumphing over evil - oh, what more could you want? I e-mailed everyone I knew and told them to read that book. I must read The Drinking Life and everything else that Mr. Hamill has written; what a wonderful author. By the way, for an Irish author, he sure did know a lot about life in New York in the 1940s - he must research well. I can think of a few other authors who have totally nailed down the sense of another country and another time; it just takes a lot of hard work.
Sociable Hermit - Yes, that is a very attactive part of a woman's body; I get all shivery just thinking about it. I'd prefer to stay up late and sleep late too, but then I am, like you, I suppose, a night person - that's why I always read and post to this list right before I go to bed - my mind is the most alert at this time of night. Once my home business finally takes off and I don't have to do temp work anymore, I will be able to work late at night, when I can do my best work. I hope you have found some way of capitalizing on that surge of energy that comes late in the evening.
David in the Florida Room - an interesting mix of people is not something you can find just anywhere - there are a lot of astoundingly dull people out in the world. Enjoy the interesting folk wherever you can find them. And WB and DF are two of the most intelligent, creative, and imaginative people I've ever come across - you are wise in your tastes. Once again, best of luck with your CD - let me know where I can get it when it is released - my interest has been piqued.
Sociable Hermit - I have a Benny Goodman CD myself. Great music. I especially love "Sing, Sing, Sing" - there's nothing about singing on that track, just some wonderfully wild percussion. Swing music could be delightfully roots-oriented. Also, I adore Frank Sinatra - I must buy one of his CDs one of these CDs. I just need some more money! Also, I thought it was "water," not "wallet," Fagen's diction has always been quite clear.
Roy Scam - Oh, my, you've really scared me off now - I remember hearing my mother's voice on my answering machine after she died. I think I'll wait until I have some nice, strong emotional armor in place before I listen to 11TOW; it sounds like way more than I can handle just now. But I am looking forward to hearing it one of these days; it does sound truly marvelous.
Clas - Oh, I didn't think you were being rude. I understand about Lisa's pictures. Do you mean streetcars running in tunnels? I've read that streetcars in this country that were running in tunnels, such as Boston, Newark and Philadelphia, survived the bad time when all the streetcar systems were being dismantled far better than the systems that didn't run underground, including our wonderful system here in DC, which even had air-conditioned cars back in the early 60s when they were truly a novelty. The streetcar system in L.A. is being rebuilt after a 40-year hiatus (it does run underground part of the way; I haven't been following the news on the heavy rail); they've run into some stupid planning problems, but it seems to be well on its way again. Speaking of fault lines, we have the occasional earthquake around here too (a number of minor ones in recent years), and I've read that there is greater potential for a truly catastrophic earthquake here in the east than there is in California. The worst earthquake to ever occur in this country happened in Missouri in 1846, and we could have another one even worse than that - if I'm on the Washington Metro at the time, I'll just be permanently trapped down there (fortunately, we'd probably all be crushed to death right away rather than lingering). California has more mid-level quakes than we do, but we are more likely to have The Big One than they are. But, hey, life is not safe and there are no guarantees; might as well ride the Metro and live dangerously.
Brave, Studly and Wise - You know how to use commas in a parenthetical clause - many cheers for you; I'd send a bouquet if I could. Poor punctuation drives me crazy; you have restored my faith in humanity's ability to use punctuation marks, a rare thing these days (the crusty grammatical curmudgeon says).
Oleander - The movie sounds quite enlightening; I hope I get a chance to see it around here. Damn, I sure know enough about children living out their parents' follies - I'll go no further. I would like to see the film, though; any suggestions? You're right; we don't have the control over our lives some of us wish we did, and it's illuminating to explore where this limitation leads us. I've been to Fenwick Island; it's gorgeous and still has a bit of wildness about it; at least it did the last time I was there.
Apropos of nothing - I bought a used book tonight because it was endorsed by William Gibson, whom I have read likes Steely Dan and vice versa. Dang, I am stepping off into excessive fandom! It looks like a good book, though.
Name: DrMu
from Langley Park to Baltimore
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 20:35:01
Comments:
soooo many great lines...the album as a whole is a lot more like a collage than the title lets on. Is the "golden boy" in "Book of Liars" and "Hard-up Case" the same guy? Walter? "Electrons dancing in the frozen crystal dawn" has to be my favorite line now. I think about waking up before the sun rose as a very young'un in Illinois and standing outside on the driveway with the dim streetlamps dimming further, the air still and dry and crisp and coooollld and quiet enough to hear the snow breathe. Beasley is just right with the spare production.
I noticed that although the production of the Dolby produced Prefab Sprout albums is more like Dan, they really sound more like 11 ToW...hmmm
Geena: Way to get caviar and tickets out of those reps...that's great...much better to receive payola than to give. With insomnia a couple of months ago, VH1 played Spinal Tap and the Metallica story back to back...whoa! Talk about life imitating art. It cracks me up that Metallicas "black" album came out 8 years or so after Spinal Tap's (a replacement for the "Smell the Glove" cover). ...and then Harry Shearer and Christopher Guest are ad- libbing (the whole movie was pretty much set up a sketch and ad lib) about if that the man had been smelling the woman's glove it would have been OK. There are numerous witty little details.
Name: sishead
gif
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 19:14:48
Comments:
how many dan heads dooes it take to change a litebulb? None they wait in the dark for years until walt & don comes in and do it for them.
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Name: jk
jk
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 19:10:08
Comments:
Is there anyplace to get the Japanese 11tow cheap - gotta have it
jk
I, also, have kind of a crush on peg - don't tell anyone. ok
Name: Geena
AAAACHOOOOOO! where's my Allegra?
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 18:36:26
Comments:
OMIO: I remember Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance! I used to read it on the subway to and from work and it beat having strange people talk to me.
For personal reasons Rep day was kinda fun in a way. It gave me a chance to have my way with them. I knew they were at my mercy because they were desperate to promote and they had to get through me first (I was the Music Director at the time) and I remember taunting them by refusing airplay on whatever music they had to offer at the time if I didn't get, oh let's see a Joe Jackson catalog or tickets to something.... I agree with you about Program Directors, there were 2 that I truly respected, but for most of them it was all about ego and control. As for music being added to the playlist, I worked in a major market and the station was in competition with at least 3 or 4 others in same market with what was once called the Hit Music format. The PD usually got the final say on any new additions, so if he/she refused anything, it would eventually get added once the other stations were playing it. All the PD really did other than collect his huge paycheck and stroke his ego, was enter it into the database and the computer programmed it and produced the day's log. Advertising is the number one factor in what radio is all about because as they would always say to me, Advertisers are our bread and butter.
Stranger and Sociable Hermit: Do you know the Jasek's? They're from the South Side and Judy was a good friend of mine until we lost touch.
oleander: I knew that! Let me give myself a bitch slap on the side of my head!
David: I wish I knew you then, it would have been a great challenge for me to convince those weasels to get you signed. I actually had some good weasel friends that listened to me. The rest would have experienced my wrath. But things happen for a reason. I would really love to hear your CD when it comes out, let us all know!
GK John: LOVE LOVE LOVE Springsteens Thunder Road, Cheap Trick, Kiss-Rock and Roll All Night (my theme song when I was a youngun') and of course Vahevala (needs to be sung loud!)
Roy.Scam: 11TOW is indeed a lyrical masterpiece, does the man ever stop? Junkie Girl got lots of airplay around here and I remember listening to it before I bought the CD and wanting to hear it again and again. In my opinion, the entire album didn't bomb, it was DA BOMB!Clas: Chazz Palminteri is an actor in the movie "A Bronx Tale", and I believe he also wrote it. It's just another stereotypical movie depicting Italians as mobsters, OH and of course he has to play the gangster. If I have to give Chazz the Razz any credit, the storyline is good. If you find it in Sweden somewhere, you should rent it. Here's a link if you want to know more: http://users.southeast.net/~chuckd21/bronxtale.html
Name: rabbit
hide in here
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 15:33:20
Comments:
CDNow claims to have 11 TOW
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=877618106/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=FRN-BECKER*WALTER/DDCN=SD-7599+24579+2
Name: rubybaby
stayinalive, stayinalive
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 14:01:46
Comments:
Altamira: I forgot the last line of that *paragraph* of lyrics from Surf & or Die. It goes, "...until the laws of curved spacetime susponed without warning." Gotta love that word.
If I were going to try to find 11Tracks of Whack, I'd go to a used record/cd shop. It might be a long shot, but so what?KatyDanFan: squirt a little lower now... Just kidding. I've had enough! Hey, can you put some kool-aid in there? I'm thirsty!
fezo: Rubybaby can't fully exist on the wet side. She must be properly disguised inside this woman at the keyboard, only appearing for a few minutes here, a few minutes there - that's enough for her man to handle (which he does quite nicely!) And the neighbors must never find out!
RoyS: maybe if WB had produced 11TOW by himself he would have been freer with his guitar playing. I was just admiring the guitar of Down In The Bottom in the car the other day. There's that little musical *bridge* or whatever they call it.
LuckyHenry: are you the good, the bad or the ugly? Could I just call you Angel Eyes?
rb
Name: Mitch
11 TOW
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 12:19:38
Comments:
ALTA: You mentioned that you couldn`t find Walters solo release , well you are not alone, many stores don`t stock it, because it botmbed (please hold the tomatos) not my opinion ,but the critics.That release showed how much these guys need each other.
Name: OMIO
stilwell@efn.org
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 11:38:26
Comments:
Best Live Cut: Who Do You Love? From "Quicksilver Messenger Service Happy Trails.."
Book: Zen & The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance.
Skunk: Big supporter of Vietnam Veterans? Somebody write to me & tell me more... (Another reason to hate Bill.. nobody should be Commander In Chief who hasn't been Commanded by a Chief..)
Geena: Rep Day sounds like a real drag.. I crossed the line from DJ to record company & found the biggest pricks to be Program Directors... An awful lot of shitty music ends up on the air because of those assholes.. And an awful lot of really good music never gets played.. Face it, radio stations don't really need Program Directors if they hire professional DJs who actually know how do programming for themselves and their audience.. But Radio ain't about Programming.. listen to any station.. It's the Advertising between the programming that is the Focus... Pimping 20,000 minds to some used-car dealer to lie to..
Favorite line: "You Are Obsolete, Look At All The White Men On The Street.."
Name: TheStranger
no longer in friendly midwest
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 10:09:16
Comments:
ole,
you are exactly right. dan's work so dynamic and creative that favorites change. right now it's title track off aja.dr. mu,
that p.of a. you described is my wife. hands off.mitch,
the irish guy is pete hamill. have to get 'drinking life.' just finished his novel 'snow in august.'chicago full of friendly midwestern people? check with my friend andy karagas who was mugged by 25 kids right outside comiskey park. fought them off with a car antenna. he woke up in the hospital with multiple cuts and bruises, including slashed scrotum. ouch.
herm,
grew up around 71st and jeffrey. graduated at turn of last century. had to fight indians when i rode my horse to school.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Help Me! I can't stop!
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 09:23:57
Comments:
Favorite:
Comic book superhero: Batman, Silver Surfer, Spiderman, Daredevil
Sexiest part of a woman's body: The lower back, as it glides effortlessly and seductively into her rear end. (ahh, I need a cold shower)
Waste Of Time: Staring into the horizon, daydreaming.
Dinner: Pizza, steak burritto, chinese.
Artist: Monet
And, I can't think of an adequate category name, but, whenever possible, I would much rather sleep late and stay up late, instead of getting up early and going to bed early.
There. I'm sure there's more somewhere.
Later,
Herm
Name: oleander
I believe I just got the
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 08:45:39
Comments:
BS&W: Sorry--mistyped--"You can be firm anytime."
GKJ--I dunno, I liked 'em all. Especially his 25th or whatever century take on the Diaspora. The movie was an interesting if complete failure.
RS--Yes. Way to sum it up. I love his lyrics, and the rest of it too. Soon you will hear his comments on his music as close to in person as either of us is ever likely to get.
On the road again....
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 08:08:51
Comments:
Oh Yeah.One more thing... Skunk Baxter?!?!?! Blows My Mind...
Off to Marco Island,Later D
Name: Madeline Notsobright
where you don't wanna be
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 08:08:09
Comments:
Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon - $25 million dollars
Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter - $45 million dollars.
Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - $74 million dollars.
Brand new B-2 Stealth Bomber - $2.1 billion dollars.
A decent map of downtown Belgrade -- Priceless.
There are some things that money can't buy...
unfortunately good intelligence isn't one of them.
(unless you're at Los Alamos)
For the rest, there's MasterCard, the official card of the
19 member NATO alliance and those who believe that sometimes
you just need to blow up something in order to restore peace.
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 08:03:14
Comments:
KatyDanFan-Nice to see you as Well...hello to El Supremo
Altamira-Thank you,not sure I contribute much...but this is an Interesting mix of people...and that along with The Dan is something I crave.
RubyBaby-I can just Picture your Classy self around that Big 'o Neumann Mic
with those Hipsters ,Singin' it!DrMu-Spinal Tap,fabulous, A friend of mine showed me a DVD of outakes and scenes that didn't make into the Release...Killer!
The Record Company Weasels alternately Ignored me and Fucked with me Mid-70's to Mid-80's....don't care anymore.
A young man's game as someone said. Not that I'm old (44)My Focus these Days is Playing My Gigs on Florida's South West Coast...sleeping in my own Bed(with My Incredible Wife) at Least 5 nights a week...and Writing and recording.
My CD should be ready for release in Sept/Oct. but you know How that is.
My Wife Dale recently taught herself HTML code and is doing a great job designing my Web Site. Which should be up in the near future...I'll Keep you all posted.My Cd is to Sell on The Gigs and also online and not to try and "get a Deal"
It's been really hard to swallow the fact that I never got to Play on a Dan Album...being the Rabid Fan I am since their first album was released. (not that I deserved it)
But I do have the Distinction of being one of the Few Solo Steely Dan Tribute bands . And If any of you Come to My area on Vacation...please allow me to buy you a beverage and Play Deacon blues or Any Major Dude for you.David
Name: Sociable Hermit
One More Thing
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 07:51:01
Comments:
Hello Again,
Not to be left out...
Favorite:
Line in a Dan song: "So useless to ask me why; blow a kiss, and say goodbye."
Non-Dan bands: Todd Rundgren, The Pursuit Of Happiness, Grateful Dead, Stone Roses, Sting/Police, Steve Winwood/Traffic, Elvis Costello.
Jazz: Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Milt Jackson, Charlie Christian, Hank Mobley, Sonny Stitt, Lou Donaldson, (I could go on forever.)
Big Band: Benny Goodman, Count Basie, Glenn Miller
Blues: Fenton Robinson, Son Seals, Muddy Waters, Freddie King, Albert King
Vocalists: Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Ella Fitzgerald, Doris Day, Helen Forrest.
Novel: Catcher In The Rye, The Stranger, Sex And Sunsets (Tim Sandlin), Dead Souls (N. Golgol), Galopogos (Vonnegut)
Movie: Geez, too many. It's A Wonderful Life, Casablanca, Duck Soup, The In-Laws, Any "Road" picture, Buck Privates, Lover Come Back, (I'm sure some of these will change within a week.)
City: San Diego was nice.
Team: Chicago Cubs!
Sitcom: Bewitched, Dick Van Dyke Show, Hogan's Hero's, Everybody Loves Raymond, M*A*S*H*
One Hour Drama: Magnum P.I., The Fugitive, NYPD Blue, Kung Fu
Drink: Miller Lite, Cuervo, Smirnoff Vodka
(Loud sigh) That's it, for now at least.
oleander: Thanks. And, as you can see from the above, beer and Cuervo are right up my alley. (well, cave, we don't have alleys in the woods.)
P.S. Clas: I thought "In the moring, we go gunning, for the man who stole our water", not our "wallet". Guess it all depends on what we keep in our wallet.
Later,
Herm
Name: GK John
Skunk a Rat?
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 07:38:26
Comments:
Roy- I would be proud to call you brother, dude!
Little Feat is a largely misunderstood group, I feel, because the listening audience can't classify their music. Morons like these are uncormfortable with music they can't pigeonhole. Plain fact: Little Feat is just GREAT music. The ease with which they move back and forth between styles is obvious from the catchiness of hit after hit. Much to their credit, they've bounced back quite nicely after the personal tragedy of Lowell George's death. Let it Roll makes the trip to work with me on the Discman at least once a week. I haven't heard Under the Radar yet...
But speaking of Waiting for Columbus reminds me of another fave category...
Best Live Album: Allman Brothers-Fillmore East, Seeger-Live Bullet, Dan-Alive in America, The Band-Last Waltz, Springsteen, Fleetwood Mac-Last Dance, Frampton-Comes Alive, Kansas-Two for the Show, Charlie Daniels-(any)Volunteer Jam, Eagles-Hell Freezes. Honorable Mention: Kiss, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, The Dead.Best Live Cut: Springsteen-Thunder Road, Dan-Reelin, Seeger-Turn the Page & Katmandu, Marshall Tucker-Can't you see, Browne-Running on Empty, Allman Brothers-One Way Out, Kiss-Rock and Roll All Night (Whew!)REO-Ridin the Storm Out, Loggins & Messina-Vahevala.
Oh man! I just realized this category's too big!Best Intro: Jerome Aniton
Ole: Herbert should have stopped at three. The fact that there were three books after Dune, Messiah, & Children and the piece of shit movie they made from his opus illustrate the sad fact of how desperately he needed the money before he died.Ciao for now!
Name: Sociable Hermit
Get out...!
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 07:08:55
Comments:
Stranger: I grew up at 76th and Lawndale, which is about 3 blocks east of Pulaski. Went to Bogan High (class of '81), and Dawes grammer. And my wife and I are contemplating a move to L.A. this year so I can finally pursue my career.
Wow, kinda weird, huh?
Oh, and as far as pizza goes, nothing in my estimation beats Palermo's on 95th St. in Oak Lawn; but Conte's on 84th and Pulaski comes close.
Later,
Herm
Name: Edd
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 06:33:16
Comments:
re: Ruby Baby, "I used to live in Acton..."
I had ice cream at Erickson's Saturday afternoon. I'm guessing you've heard of it...
Name: Roy.Scam
don't.do.it.Skunk
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 06:18:40
Comments:
Ruby, Alt : 11 Tracks of W is a lyrical tour de force. My only disappointment with the album was that Walter didn't show off enough on the guitar. The lyrics really clocked me in on such crazy, diverse things as: watching someone who's close to you disappear into drug addiction, hearing the voice of a reckless friend on his answering machine after he dies, lovesick sighs turning into cringes, dissappointment between father and son, unconditional pride between father and son, seeing an old friend who wasn't much of a friend, a depressed guy vegetating in front of his TV watching old reruns, the comedy of aliens trying to adjust to life in the USA, and just the beauty, horror, and mystery of existence.
On the subject of non-inclusion of songs on albums: Century's End , FM, and Western World are all gems; they would have fit into Gaucho seamlessly. Or better yet, add, these songs along with Second Arrangement, IGY, and New Frontier and make Gaucho a double album. That would have kicked some 1981 ass. Anyway, for whatever reason they weren't part of a bigger package, I remember some other great records that weren't originally on albums; to wit: Lady Madonna, Hey Jude, The Ballad of John and Yoko, and the later, more popular version of Revolution.
RS
Name: fezo
canicheckyouroilplease
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 06:07:05
Comments:
Ruby: I think "Waiting for Columbus" is just the cure for your raging hormones. Put it on, dance in front of the windows, and I'm sure the neighbors will come running
The good doctor is right; "Columbus" is one of the greatest live albums ever. Lowell George was still front and center (i think he overdosed two years later), the band was hot, they played the famous . . . now we dolly back, we fade to black
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 05:25:42
Comments:
Altamira - didn't mean to be rude. Just trying to get your attention. I like woman too.
"...in Sweden when North America were just..."
should it be:
"...in Sweden when North America WAS just..."???
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 02:19:24
Comments:
Altamira - the picures are not on the net, I'd love to send them to you but then I probably would be hooked up with legal shit with my friend lisa.
The Streetcar-picture is great, but you don't see much of a streetcar in it. And yes, we had streetcars here in Sweden when North America were just indians and coyotes. Before the Spaniacs brought the horses to you. Then we thought they were too oldfashioned, so we built tunnels, and now we have trains running in them. It's called Subways. Do you have Subways over there yet? I heard you are building a Subway-system under Los Angeles. That is very smart. On The Fault Line.
RubyBaby - yes, that are great lyrics.
JustKatyDan - "in the morning you go gunning..." Sorry, I was wrong. Sunday night is fine.
Geena - who is this Chaz in the Bronx Tale?
Name: Brave, Studly and Wise
drycleanedlawsuit
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 at 00:41:02
Comments:
Oleander--We have accepted you as a "pro bono" case. No, this doesn't mean you have to wear a Cher outfit...
Clas: Your Yankee Pal, Schwinn, says "hello" from the New Orleans' city jail. Don't worry. Our collective expertise should spring him in, oh, say 2 - 3 years.
Emulating Perry Mason,
Brave, Studly & Wise
Name: oleander
first let's get off this highway
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 22:11:37
Comments:
Mu--All I can do is shake my head (virtually) and try to figure out how the hell you surmised all that from my post. Let me just ask you to reread mine and then your response, and get from there to there. After the truck dumped the entrails, you filled it with cheap shots. Since there are all these invitations to get doused with cold water, I'll respond more outside; you can do as you wish. And BTW, you don't compliment me by calling me an old liberal. I'm not, nor does any label cohere too well.
Anthony--How thoughtful of you. I'll take that as a hand across the water.
maj, Hank--great to hear from you.
tele--that was very good.
BS&W--You can be my firm anytime.
Herm--I know light boxes as well as I do rotting entrails. How about I bring over some Bud Powell and Cuervo, and we can just sit and curse the darkness? BTW, I liked what you said.
OMIO--I loathe them both, like you & the Stranger.
mista w--I hear "Only A Fool" very differently--not as a put-down of idealists at all.
Alt--R + J the movie was terrific. One of the best things was Pete Postlethwaite's back. It's not just about fate, but about how children live out their parents' follies; the power of love--for light and dark; adolescence as psychopathology; and about how madly geniused Shakespeare was.... Controlling life would be nice, but there are so many things besides us that shape us and what we do.... We may feel autonomous, or wish it, but we sway with the seaweed and don't even know it. Girlfriend, don't worry about CRS. Sometimes it goes into remission. BTW, I summered many years in Fenwick Island, just south of Bethany.
Stevev--Barrytown & the Moonies?? Tell me more.
fezo--thx. Will fix.
GKJ--There are 6 Dune books.
Geena, GKR--For info on the Betting Pool, go to http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/thepool.htm
Stranger--Catch 22. Stratospheric.
I can't do favorites. Except novel: "Gravity's Rainbow." The Dan hits me so many different ways at different times I can't choose toppers.
Interesting thread about the future of music.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
SteelyDanRules.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 21:49:30
Comments:
Clas: I thought it was "in the morning you go gunning..." (ok, you can borrow my squirt gun, but I need it back by Sunday night!) Regarding the Sonny Bono comment, I don't believe you said that, lol.That is so fascinating about Jeff Baxter...hmmm, perhaps he can arrange to have non-stop SD music playing everywhere in the country? And he could include some Doobie Brothers too, I do love them.
GKJohn: Love your favorite album!
David: Nice to see you posting more often! And you didn't even get hit for accusing us of being ladies and gentlemen!
Dr. Mu: It sounds as if you've already met this girl you mentioned, she sounds so real. *grin* Also I forgot to mention I was a track star in high school and that's why I sprinted to an early lead!
ChrisRowella: Welcome, you reminded me to add to my list of songs:
Only a Fool Would Say That
Night by Night
My Old School
Turn That Heartbeat OverWhich means I now have 23 favorites in a list of 10! Chris, I'm also writing a screenplay using a Dan song! And here I thought I was the only one. I hope I get to Hollywood before you do so they don't think it's an "old" idea! (JK) I'd be interested in hearing what you're doing with it, seriously.
Stranger: Love Meryl Streep also
Q: I agree with you, there is no other like our O Michael.
Watch out, Babylon Sisters------after awhile all the guys' posts will contain the same two letters----FM! **hosing down Ruby awhile with the squirt gun**
El Supremo: Gee, where should we go for pizza tonight, honey? Sweden?? Ok, Mrs. Clas, here we come! ILY, husband.
JustKaty :)
Name: jk
jk
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 21:18:56
Comments:
I met peg at the bar bat gig in nyc. She is one of the nicest people on the planet. And the band does - 2nd arrangement! (i'd love to get a tape of that!)
they are probably doin Wet, jack, kullee and '92 at this point
Best steely tune - '92, gaucho, home at last.
Best lp - gaucho.
new pretzel sounds great- katy not so great but the liner notes are killer. Hey walt who nixed the burbling at the beginning of rikk?
jk
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 20:40:06
Comments:
Links to 2 LA Times articles about Skunk Baxter
http://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990519/t0000447992.htmlhttp://www.latimes.com:80/excite/990519/t0000447993.html
Jim and Sarah Brady endorse the attorney who he might run against. Life is strange sometimes.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 19:53:05
Comments:
Mitch - You are right about Pittsburgh; I think it's this country's most beautiful city. It has a lovely setting - all those high hills above the rivers.
I've read about The Drinking Life; I'll actually read the book one of these days.
Peg - I'd love to hear your band, if I'm ever out your way, I hope I get a chance to catch one of your appearances.
Ruby Baby - Next time I'm in Rehobeth, I'll check out Nicola's; I always enjoy good pizza. The lyric by WB is quite impressive; I'll have to get 11TOW. I tried to buy it at Tower and they were out of it; I'll have to order it on-line.
Surfer Dude - I hope all works out for Fagen and Becker regarding the ASCAP awards; it might be a fun evening for them and it's always good to see them get some recognition in a new venue. I won't enter the contest, though; I could never come up with better psuedonyms than the ones they suggest.
Clas - Where are Lisa's pictures? I'm a major streetcar fanatic (especially PCCs) and I'd love to see the "streetcar gal." (I know from my friend Tim, another major lover of streetcars, that you don't have PCCs in Sweden - they're the streamlined cars that were popular in the middle of the 20th century in this country; I've read that a tram built on the PCC platform is still being produced in the Czech Republic.) End of off-topic diatribe.
From the LA Times - That is interesting news about Jeff Baxter; I'll have to look out for him in the local news.
Midnite Cruiser - I don't think it's so much that the Doobie Brothers were more popular than SD; it's just that Baxter played more recently with the Doobies and people tend to have short memories.
GK John - I just loved Soap; I wish I could watch it in reruns somewhere.
David in the Florida Room - Yes, occasional flaming does spice things up a bit. Reading and lurking have their value; I'm glad you can contribute now and then, but at least you're always a part of the list.
KatyDanFan - Ah, yes, many of us love Rehobeth, and some other folk like nearby Dewey Beach and Bethany Beach. There's something for everyone around there. Block Island sounds interesting; I like Rhode Island, the next time I'm up there, I'll check it out.
Regarding FM - When I finally meet that right person and bring her home to meet the cats (I hope Ahimsa has recovered from her cold by then, the poor darling, all that sneezing!), and we're sitting on the sofa getting all comfortable, I'll put on the CD from the boxed set with FM on it, and maybe it will encourage her to take off her clothes. Thanks for the advice!
David - Good luck with your CD; will we be able to hear it anywhere?
Name: Geena
sneezing my fool head off
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 19:37:48
Comments:
Mitch: Bronx Tale was a great movie although I really can't stand Chaz as he is an embarrassment to his culture with his "stage" name and needs a definite attitude adjustment. My opinion from seeing him during interviews.
Mu: Spinal Tap is one of my very favorite spoof movies. I couldn't help laughing hysterically when i saw their depiction of record company reps. It's so true. Every Monday at the radio station where I worked was rep day. Representatives from every label would file in clad in their tragically hip clothing, sporting ponytails with trademark briefcases in tow. They'd sit in the reception area and act as obnoxious and as loud they possibly could. I used to make them wait as long as I could stand it, and I would dread talking to them, but they did always get me the best seats at any concert.Oh yeah, I have to add Schindler's List to my list of favorite serious movies, and of course Liam Neeson was in it.
Rube: You can come over any time and I'll make you pizza, but be prepared to spar with the permasqueeze over the last piece! I remember you told me that you used to live in Acton and go to Walden pond. I bet we've bumped into each other at one time or another.....tis a small world. For hormonal surges, try soy supplements and nix the caffeine!
Name: Randy
NIGHTFLY82@aol.com
NJ USA
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 19:19:42
Comments:
Singer/Songwriter/Guitarist in North Jersey/NYC area is looking for backing band members (bass, rhythm guitar, keyboards; 25-35 approximate age group) to play original material. Only serious career minded players required. Some vocal ability a plus. Must be able to take direction. Influences range the rock, jazz, folk, and blues spectrum. Preferred bassist would have Motown/blues/r&b background (poppers and slappers need not apply). Keyboardist must have jazz/blues chops. Currently preparing to record CD. Substance over style. (Steely Dan is an essential influence...)
Call or send E-mail inquiries to
(973) 283-1991/NIGHTFLY82@aol.com
Name: DrMu
frequent flyer blues
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 18:22:53
Comments:
Mitch: Feat and the Nevilles' together! That's most of the good stuff at Jazzfest without the riff raff. Run, don't walk, to you nearest TicketBastard. Aaron Neville has been around for a long time. Had a big hit "Tell it Like It Is" during the 60's and didn't get diddley for it. He and the rest of the Brothers put on a great show, and have been since about '70 or so. Most of their albums can't match their energy, but Yellow Moon and Fiyou on the Bayou are classics. Their music is heavy R&B, jazz, and pop...an unmistakenable New Orleans blend.
Little Feat have had a number of styles over the years but are some combo of R&B, jazz, country - kind of like The Band except funkier. Lowell George led them until his death in '79(?). They were reincarnated 10 years later - with some solid albums that don't reach the heights of Dixie Chicken of Feats Don't Fail Me Now. They are TIGHT AS HELL LIVE. They may not be the same band in the studio (even though I like Representing the Mambo and Under the Radar - got to get that CD still), they may be a better live band now (they drink a lot less). Paul Barrere gives them a New Orleans flavour and sings lead half the time.
Name: Mitch
best of
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 17:27:19
Comments:
favorite movie: Bronx Tale with DiNiro and introducing Chaz Palmentari Favorite Pizza Fresh sliced Tomato and oregano. favorite book :A Drinking Life by this Irish guy who had a column in the N.Y Times Pete Hamm ?? Favorite Beach: 30 miles from Cancun on the way to Tulum (strickly Mexican) favorite City: Chicago, it might be called second city, but with its friendly midwestern attitude, its hard to beat.Favorite skyline : This will shock some, Pittsburgh as seen coming out of the Ft. Pitt Tunnel. Favorite Cuisine: Western PA.We have superb ethnic cuisine(Italian, Syrian Polish, Greek, Afro-American. favorite SD album : tough call ,have to go with Aja. favorite President F.D.R, Led country out of Great Depression and defeat of Axis in WWII
Name: Deacon Blues
deacon@hotmail.com
Location: LA, Ca usa
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 17:05:56
Comments:
Great web site
Name: Mitch
concert season is here
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 16:52:45
Comments:
Dr. Mu The Neville Bros. and Little Feat are appearing together in Pittsburgh. What is their style classified as, would you suggest seeing them,? Iknow the Neville Bros style. If I recall they were not a "mainstream" band in the 70`s ,did they sell a lot of records? I know they had colorful artwork on their albums.
Name: DrMu
watch your latitude
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 15:48:30
Comments:
RubyBaby: Little Feat - that is cut #2 on "Waiting for Columbus", one of the all-time great live albums (1978?). I'm not sure if you can take it in your current condition - try lying down in a cool bath.
David: I'm curious. Do you really need recordc co. weasels to promote an album, if you can press it or arrange to? Can you promote it on the internet a la TAFKAP? MP3? Reminds me of the hilarious scenes in Spinal Tap when the "Nanny" and Paul Schaffer play those obnoxious rec. co. agents/promotors. Good luck with your CD!
Favorite Song: DrWu, Home At Last, Second ArrangementBest Movie: Schindler's List
Best Beach: Destin, FL
Best Book: Lords of Discipline
Best PoA: silky blonde w/emerald eyes, soft and strong, scent of flowers and pheromones
Name: DrMu
watch your latitude
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 15:47:13
Comments:
RubyBaby: Little Feat - that is cut #2 on "Waiting for Columbus", one of the all-time great live albums (1978?). I'm not sure if you can take it in your current condition - try lying down in a cool bath.
David: I'm curious. Do you really need a record Co. weasels to promote an album, if you can press it or arrange to. Can you promote it on the internet a la TAFKAP? MP3? Reminds me of the hilarious scenes in Spinal Tap when the "Nanny" and Paul Schagger play those obnoxious rec. co. agents/promotors. Good luck with your CD!
Favorite Song: DrWu, Home At Last, Second ArrangementBest Movie: Schindler's List
Best Beach: Destin, FL
Best Book: Lords of Discipline
Best PoA: silky blonde w/emerald eyes, soft and strong, scent of flowers and pheromones
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 15:16:09
Comments:
Jive Miguel: That Sunday is the night before Memorial Day - maybe you have the next day off. And, yes, I'm in the band. E-mail me and I'll get you on the guest list that night.
Name: RubyBaby
love the thunder, love the r@in
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 15:02:54
Comments:
DavidintheFlaRoom: Victrola'78s recorded in a big room with everyone around 1 microphone...that brings such a cool picture to mind. I'll bet they were dressed to the nines, too. What a different way of life...Geena: You must make me some pizza when I visit MA. Don't worry, I'll call first. I used to live in Acton, you know.
RoyScam, the recalcitrent, reborn master of things written: I think the lyrics of 11TOW are very poetic and quite meaty.
My favorite is "In a near random universe / there are still certain combinations / picked out from all the other possible ones / which when given some time and the just right circumstances / not too far from the earth or too close to the sun / they will dance and they'll spin in the embrace of the trade winds / playing havoc with the hearts and the upturned faces below."
The thing that I find strange is that when I play the song I have to really listen for those words or I miss 'em. WB is so layed back when he sings. Thank God the lyrics are in the liner notes!ALTamira: I also used to live in Bethany Beach, just a hop, skip & jump from Rehoboth. Have you tried the pizza at Nicola's? It's a block inland from the boardwalk on the northern end.
fezo: I never heard Fat Man in the Bathtub, but it sounds interesting. Who does it? I love a man with some meat on his bones.
KatyDanFan: I never thought of FM in that way, but I can see it all now. If this hormonal surge doesn't ebb soon, I may have to ask you to hose me down!
(It probably won't work, I'll just hold a wet t-shirt contest)
rb
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 13:10:24
Comments:
Thanks SurferDude:
Check out last years ASCAP 11th annual Rhythm and Soul Music Awards photo page with Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes, one of this boards most influential contributors. Looks like a swinging time, Don and Walt should fit right in, if they can come to an agreement about sampling fees that is.
http://www.ascap.com/playback/1998/october/soulphotopage.htmlFrom the LA Times: Nice article - my thoughts on Jeff's support of the NRA, etc. were right on. Maybe he can get Charlton Heaston to come campaign for him. I think he will be a shoe in.
Name: SurferDude
KeyWest
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 11:22:35
Comments:
exciting news on the official site!!!
Name: Clas
@ work, okay OKAY! Yes I have been home in the afternoon taking a nap...
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 10:48:04
Comments:
In the late 70s the Doobie Bros were in Stockholm, they were pretty much just a backupband for M mac Donald. Jeff Skunk said in an interview that he thought Steely Dan was making very stiff music, and at his time with the band he was the only one who managed put in a little human touch in their music.
?
"If Sonny Bono can do it I don't see why Skunk can't do it too..."
What? Smash into a tree?!
lisa! - great pics. I love that streetcar girl.
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: San Diego,
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 10:46:49
Comments:
PEG - Thanks for the Damned update. Are you a member of the band? Too bad its on Sunday though. For me, going to see the Damned at the Catamaran is an all out, all night affair. It just doesn't work when I need to get up at 5AM to go to work :(
My Faves:
Albums: Countdown and Gaucho DTS - Steely Dan
Band of Gypsys and South Saturn Delta - Jimi
American Beauty - Grateful Dead
Songs: Bodhitsattva, FM, New Frontier, Brooklyn, Time out Of Mind.
Non-Dan: Ripple, Box of Rain, Unbroken Chain - Dead
Anything off the Boogie Nights Soundtrack, Scenes From an Italian Restaurant - Billy Joel, Paradise by the Dashboard Lights - Meatloaf, Don't Eat the yellow Snow - Frank Zappa
Books: Jitterbug Perfume or Even Cowgirls Get the Blues by Tom Robbins(he is sooooo great!) Althogh I now must read Catch 22 due to all the hype.
Movies: Boogie Nights, Clockwork Orange,anything by Spielberg or Tarantino.
Beaches: Ocean Beach, San DiegoIt's been fun!!
Name: From the LA Times
oops
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 10:43:30
Comments:
Sorry about the double-spacing - it didn't look that way when I pasted it.
Name: From the LA Times
today
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 10:41:40
Comments:
Wednesday, May 19, 1999
Ex-Rocker Sounds Out Political Run
Congress: GOP's Jeff Baxter, formerly of the Doobie Brothers, may
challenge Rep. Brad Sherman.
By MIGUEL BUSTILLO, Times Staff Writer
Talk about contrasts: One of the hottest congressional contests in
Southern California next year could pit a pony-tailed guitar god against
a balding tax lawyer.
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, the colorful former lead guitarist of 1970s arena
rockers the Doobie Brothers, has retained a campaign consultant and is
contemplating a GOP challenge next year for the House seat held by Rep.
Brad Sherman, a Harvard-educated tax attorney whose district includes
Thousand Oaks, Newbury Park and Oak Park.
Although best-known for his dazzling guitar work with the Doobies and
Steely Dan, Baxter has also earned a reputation around Washington in
recent years as a staunch ballistic-missile defense advocate, chairing a
civilian advisory board in his trademark Scottish black beret, droopy
mustache and jeans. His advisory work for Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) on
the issue landed both men in hot water three years ago when it was
revealed that Baxter--who claimed on his resume that he had served in a
similar role for NASA and Livermore Labs--acknowledged those credentials
were trumped up.
Baxter, a college dropout, later dismissed the criticism, saying that he
had provided some informal advice to both agencies.
"If you jam with the Eagles," he told Defense Week, " . . . Rolling
Stone [would] say, 'He plays with the Eagles.' "
Dale Neugebauer, a campaign consultant working with Baxter, said the
rocker's interest in politics is no novelty, but he has yet to make a
final decision on whether to battle Sherman in 2000.
The 24th Congressional District includes some of the wealthiest enclaves
in the greater Los Angeles area, spanning the southern San Fernando
Valley, Calabasas, Malibu and eastern Ventura County.
Neugebauer said Baxter, 50, a Sherman Oaks resident who lives just
outside the district boundary, has decided to refrain from doing
interviews unless he formalizes his candidacy. He also refuses to detail
the origins of his nickname, saying he is saving that for a book,
Neugebauer said.
"He's still deciding whether to run, but from my perspective, it looks
like a great opportunity for him," Neugebauer said. "He has natural
appeal. The rock star image plays to the younger voters, and he was in a
band that is very familiar to baby boomers."
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach), who counts Baxter as a close
friend, said he fully expects the guitarist to run.
"He's going to throw his beret in the ring," Rohrabacher said. "Jeff
Baxter has been a phenomenon that has swept through Washington and is
about to sweep through Southern California. He is trying to reach out to
a variety of voters that Republicans have traditionally ignored."
Sherman, the Sherman Oaks Democrat who beat millionaire businessman
Randy Hoffman by a wide margin to retain his seat last year, said the
emergence of Baxter represented a desperate attempt by the GOP to
procure a self-financed celebrity candidate. If Baxter does run, Sherman
said he would spotlight an aspect of the celebrity's background less
known than his guitar prowess: his unabashed support of the National
Rifle Assn.
"I once saw a Doobie Brothers album, but that is it," Sherman, 44, said.
"All I can say is that this is a balding CPA against a woolly rock star.
"But hairline is not the only contrast here," Sherman quickly added. "He
is a strong supporter of the NRA. I could see why the NRA would want to
field a candidate against me, given my background on gun-rights issues.
There is a reason Jim and Sarah Brady have supported me."
Whatever the case, some political observers believe Baxter could be the
GOP's best chance to capture the 24th District seat in years. His
candidacy is part of a national push by Republicans to broaden their
appeal by recruiting "nontraditional" popular figures such as
professional wrestlers to run for office.
Before Sherman was elected in 1996, the seat was held by Democrat
Anthony Beilenson for two decades, and Democrats make up the majority of
registered voters in the district.
But Republicans have long maintained that they could win the seat with
the right moderate candidate. Before backing Hoffman last year, the GOP
placed substantial resources behind Rich Sybert, a Harvard-trained
attorney and former aide to Gov. Pete Wilson. Sybert lost twice, to
Beilenson in 1994 and to Sherman two years later.
"The Republicans in that district are down in the dumps," said Allan
Hoffenblum, editor of the California Target Book, a political tip sheet.
"They put a lot of money in the Sybert races, they backed Hoffman and
they got nothing. I think they're a little burned out right now. They
need a spark, and this could be it."
Although he acknowledged Baxter is a strong gun-rights advocate,
Neugebauer said the former Doobie would run as a moderate, promoting his
support for abortion rights, among other issues. He added that Baxter
speaks excellent Spanish and would use his language skills to help lure
Latino voters.
In addition to his championing of missile defense, Baxter has been an
outspoken advocate for Vietnam veterans. And he has parlayed his musical
skills into a running gig as house guitarist on GOP fund-raisers,
cozying up to numerous politicians and benefactors, friends say.
Rohrabacher said he met Baxter at Wilson's inauguration eight years ago
and quickly struck up a friendship with him after engaging in a
surprisingly deep discussion on Burmese human rights.
Rohrabacher, who has since accompanied Baxter on the jew's-harp at
numerous political hootenannies, summed up his attraction: The former
Doobie can talk jargon with the best Pentagon wonk and still charm an
audience with his rock star appeal.
"Everybody wants to meet the former guitar player on the album that
meant so much to them back in the '70s when they were young," he said.
"The hardest part in politics sometimes is opening doors, and all doors
are open to Skunk."
Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 10:04:36
Comments:
Midnite Cruiser: Did they say which state Jeff Baxter would be running from? I believe he is orginally from California and may still have legal residence there although he is in Washington, D. C. a lot. Now I really wish I had had more time to go see him play at St. Patti's Day. Jeff has been on Kaptain Kaos
http://news.excite.com:80/news/bw/990518/ca-kaptain-kaos recently, and I would think that his politcal views are more in line with Ted Nugent (sp?) than Sonny Bono - which would make him less popular here, at least with the more vocal crowd.
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 09:30:43
Comments:
Just heard on CNN Headline News:
Former Doobie Brothers guitarist Jeff "Skunk" Baxter considering run for Congress.
anyone else heard anything on this? we've all heard of Skunk's strong interests in defense plans but I can't find any other info on the possible congressional run.
If Sonny Bono can do it I don't see why Skunk can't do it too.
What kinda sucked was that he was referred to as "former Doobie Brothers guitarist" and there was no mention of Steely Dan. Were the Doobies really more popular than the Dan???
"the things that pass for knowledge I can't understand"
MC
Name: Chris Rowella
doug2123@aol.com
Location: Ridgefield, CT USA
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 08:49:17
Comments:
I don't really care if it's wrong or if it's right, but until my ship comes in, I'm gonna write random comments in here! Okay, here's my top ten Steely Dan song list. Don't laugh!
10. Night By Night
9. Black Cow
8. Peg
7. Deacon Blues (the Aja album was my favorite, obviously.)
6. Only A Fool Would Say That
5. Aja
4. Black Friday
3. My Old School (dig those horns!)
2. Reelin' In The Years (that had to be here)
1. King Of The World
Number one is a weird choice, but I named the screenplay I'm writing after the song, so that's why. As I said before, the Aja album was the best, followed by Can't Buy A Thrill, then Countdown To Ecstasy. Bye
Name: GK John
Best?
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 07:58:36
Comments:
At first I wasn't going to, but you guys make it so hard to resist...
Best Song: Hands down- "Century's End" Period.
Best Album: The only SD album I like is... Can'tbuyathrillcountdowntoecstasypretzellogickatyliedroyalscamajagauchonightflykamakiriad11tracksofwhacksteelydangoldcitizensteelydan. I knew I had to narrow down my choice to one.
Best Lyric: "Is it really Monday?" Ah shit! The whole damned song!
Best Pizza: Nick's in Rockville Centre. The al pomodore e' magnifico! Pizza della nonna.
Best Beach: Horseshoe Bay, Bermuda
Best Novel: Hmmm... Polar Star by Cruz-Smith (along w/ Gorky Park), Presumed Innocent by Turow, Red October by Clancy, Silence of the lambs by Harris, Shaitan by Ehrlich, The Stand by King, Whispers by Koontz
Best Trilogy: Lord of the Rings, Dune, Foundation, Thomas Covenant & Brooks' Shannara books
(There certainly is a lot!)
Best City: New York. Period. 2nd place; Boston, Third; Charleston
Best Movie: Godfather I & II.
Best Western: Bennington, VT
Best Western Movie: Outlaw Josie Wales, Silverado.
Best Movie Trilogy: Star Wars, Naked Gun & Indiana Jones. Honorable mention to Aliens I & II. They certainly tried with III & IV. (Godfather III was a disgraceful piece of shit and an insult to watch!)
Best President: Did we have one yet?
Piece of Ass: I have to believe it's still out there waiting. At least, I hope so.
Best Sitcom: The Honeymooners, Taxi, Soap
Best Amusement Park Ride: The Loch Ness Monster, Busch Gardens VAWhoops! Gotta dash!
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 07:41:33
Comments:
DrMu, I'm one of those guys with a digital in home recording studio...recording and burning (at least the test press copies ) of my new CD. I never would have thought I'd have this kind of quality in my house...but then I was Impressed with the 4-track recorder I had 20 something years ago.So I guess we'll have to wait and see If some of that guys predictions come true.
GoodKingRichard-Good for you man...it's the little victories.I had some banking fun a couple of weeks ago...Swimming Pool financing. Although the Older I get the less they laugh at the fact that I'm a musician.Still amazes me that I live in the "house that music built"
RubyBaby-It was an Interesting piece, you never know...at one time people bought Victrola 78's...recorded in a big room with everyone around 1 microphone.Had a nice ambient,live sound though.
BTW- I don't always have time to contribute...but I always read and lurk....I like all of you folks,even the Occasional Flame throwing...but only when it's meant in Fun. Remember we're Ladies and Gentleman. OK go ahead and Hit Me!
David
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 05:55:10
Comments:
TheKatyDanFan - "in the morning you go hunting / for the man who stole your wallet"
Name: fezo
throwmeadime
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 05:23:05
Comments:
best song: Fat Man in The Bathtub (live)
a close second: Love Needs A Heart(on a Lowell kick this morning)
best beach: Tybee
-a close second: Isle of Psalmsbest piece of ass: always just over the horizon
-a close second: the woman who caused me to understand "Love Needs A Heart"
Name: TheKatyDanFan
...not lying...
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 02:15:15
Comments:
Herm: Enjoyed your pontificating. Wasn't even tempted to grab the squirt gun. Yes, it would be a riot if Don and Walt joined us here. Even if they were lurking, they might never admit it. It seems they would be too busy, but still, with music so well-loved by their fans and easy access to a place like this, I suppose it's in the realm of possibility they could visit now and then if for no other reason than comic relief!My favorites :
Katy Lied (no surprise there)
Aja
Gaucho
Royal ScamHaving made the list, my favorite songs are spread out over all the albums, as I'm sure is the case for everyone else ----might be interesting to hear everyone's Favorite Top Ten Songs, if we could limit ourselves to ten!
Here are mine:
Katy Lied (Dr. Wu)
Gaucho
Aja
Don't Take Me Alive
Caves of Altamira
Deacon Blues
Home At Last
Brooklyn
Charlie Freak
Bad Sneakers
Rose Darling
Any World
Black Cow
Here At the Western World
Hey Nineteen
Babylon Sisters
FM
IGY
Third World ManOk, it's impossible, I went over ten. It simply can't be a limited thing when you're talking SD favorites!
Altamira: Yes, who doesn't love FM? (see below) Re: Rehoboth Beach, a great place. It's where the Washington crowd goes, I've always heard. *grin* My personal favorite is Block Island, Rhode Island.
Ruby: Regarding the song with the best inspiration for removing one's clothing, my vote is for FM!
Best pizza is from an Italian Club in my city called Victor Emanuel's.
Stranger: I've heard great things about Snowmass, thanks for the tip on that run. I will schedule that asap!
Geena: With the suggestion of Evian, we have a no-frizz spray. Absolutely, we must avoid bad hair days at all costs!
Clas: Umm...just what was your favorite thing about Cincinnati? *grin*
El Supremo: You walked in...and my life began again...I'm keeping you forever, sweetheart. ILYM!
Just Katy :)
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 at 00:48:35
Comments:
best albums: KatyLied, Running On Empty, Spirit Trail & Lawyers In Love (yes Fezo)
best pizza: mrs Clas's
best beach: Mockfjärd, Dalarna
best novel: Karamasov Brothers, not all brothers though, just a few of them
best city: Cincinnati
best actress: Lena Olin
best actor: Christopher Walken
best piece of ass: I said that in New Orleans, aint gonna say it again
my favorite line: Everything comes out on the inside
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 21:53:37
Comments:
Stranger - I must read Catch 22; my curiosity has been piqued.
All this writing about the albums has led me to consider the songs that aren't on the albums. I've become quite enchanted by FM, a song I barely noticed when it was playing on the radio 20 years ago (has it been that long? damn, I must be aging). It is one of very few SD songs where there are no studio musicians playing guitar, bass, and keyboards, so we can clearly hear Becker and Fagen playing their instruments, which gives it a sort of intimacy - we know they're great song writers and arrangers, but there's a sort of close tie to the music that comes when the composers actually play the instruments (I know they play on many other songs, but they are kind of buried among all the other musicians). Becker's decidedly funky bass and guitar provide a good contrast to the smooth sound of the strings and saxophone, and I like the repeating phrase that is begun by Becker's bass and completed by Fagen's piano; they're having a little musical dialogue, and, considering their many years of playing together, it's almost like one is finishing the other's sentence.
Name: DrMu
epilogue
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 21:47:45
Comments:
Roy: Just downloaded wom high quality MPEG files for the Unauthorized Biography...pretty good quality - not CD, mind you but might do OK for radio. Hwever, it took 4 minutes to load 15 sec of music, which begs the question:
Which would take longer, to record a Steely Dan album or download a Steely Dan album?I listened to bits of 5 songs...in all honesty, while I liked Mess and Army, I found what I heard a bit disappointing. While the sound was smoother and more stylisticaly consistent, much of the impishness and brilliance was gone...but to be fair I'd have to give the CD a number of listens - just don't want to pay for it first...got other expenses
Speaking of which, Katy Lied was backordered - saw this from more than one source. What's going on?
Name: TheStranger
oh yeah
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 21:09:23
Comments:
herm,
was born and raised in chicago. south side. live in l.a. where you from?
Name: TheStranger
ratings
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 21:06:43
Comments:
actually, best 3 novels are catch 22, brothers karamzov (we're in agreement, alta) and the stranger. but in a normal mood i would rate catch 22 number one.
ranukah is best piece of ass for short-lived, away-from-home, hot relationship, as distinguished from best ongoing, still-gets-me-crazy main wife squeeeze. herm, if you run into r., you'll know her. she's on the other side of the world. exotic, brainy, willowy, gorgeous, third-world, sweet sophisticate.
best president: harry truman.
best restaurant: casino 2000, luxembourg.
best western: the searchers.
best lyric: ruthie will give you the silver key to the red door, lay down your jackson and you will see what you been cryin' for (or words to that effect)
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 20:35:23
Comments:
Best album: Aja, Kamakiriad, Royal Scam
Best lyric: "Riding bareback on an aramdillo" (yes, I have reconsidered Pretzel Logic and found some good things there)
Best pizza: I don't remember the name, but it's the little Italian carry-out place on Colesville Road in Silver Spring, Maryland. The owners decided to return to Italy after they retired and let their son run the place, but the regulars missed them so much, the original owners came back to Silver Spring. Their pizza, and all their food for that matter, is worth a long ride on the Red Line; it's probably the most authentic Italian food in the entire Washington metropolitan area.
Best beach: I don't like beaches much, but of course I enjoy the social climate at Rehobeth Beach, Delaware.
Best novel: The Brothers Karamazov, although I love everything Dostoyevsky wrote.
Best city: Toronto.
Best female actor: Judi Dench (ooh, I love older women!)
Best male actor: Anthony Hopkins (although it will take me a while to forgive him for The Road to Wellville)
Best piece of ass: Either Nadia Solerno-Sonnengberg or Anne Sophie Mutter; I never had much interest in the violin before I saw these two, but now I salivate when I hear them play. And Anne Sophie Mutter has the sexiest voice, although I am entranced by Nadia Solerno-Sonnenberg's theory that her violin sounds so good because it touches her bare skin when she plays - I'd sound good too if I were touching her bare skin!
Name: DrMu
I should try Outlook Express
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 20:35:17
Comments:
Roy:
I type this stuff fast on a small keyboard an my eyes strain peering at St. Al's "tiny box," without my liferaft of spellcheck and grammercheck...my other job, the one that pays, requires a bit of technical writing which means numerous edits, and the result is dry as hell - but that's the acceptable norm. I'm just trying to get away from that periodically. My spontaineity-it's become a running joke.Let's try again as I know your entertainment and educational time are valuable:
David,
Perhaps in a few years, but the bandwidth and fidelity of a music file are low for most internet links hooked to our computers. The majority of folks are on 26.6 and 52.2 bpi phone line modems. It will take a long while to replace all the current lines and jacks. Although cable can support the information streaming necessary, the cable companies are run and manned by MORONS. Then the compression programs must minimize loss of data.While I really like the notion of the internet radio stations selling the music directly (but then who's to stop Rupert Murdock from buying most of those stations??), I see the internet as more of an advertisement/promotional media for the artist, given internet Radio will become increasingly popular. Would the music industry pimping and payola finally be stopped??? Programmable internet radio would be essentially "all the artists all the time"...but that would be overwhelming for the drooling fan sifting through new music! On the other hand, MP3 and internet radio do give new bands a chance to be heard - "airplay" Record companies don't take many chances the way they did in the late 60s and early 70s. Again, I wouldn't buy an MP3 file in lieu of a CD or DVD. Downloading a work of art is not like downloading a chapter from an encyclopedia.
In contrast to downloading, I see more independent companies and entrepreneurs pressing CDs instead (or better yet DVD media) for artists, and then working with them on internet promotion. I also see a lot more home and independent studios as the price of good digital recording equipment will continue to become less expensive...
Name: GoodKingRichard
Some Kinda Woman
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 20:30:41
Comments:
David in the Florida Room: Thanks for the Laskow piece, makes me feel kinda warm inside, 'specially as I had a run in with the bank this morning as they wanted me to walk down to the local branch, pay for a cheque to pay for a service provided by another branch. I nearly burst a blood vessel on that one, considering they're busy shoving online banking and linked accounts down my throat as fast as they can. Oh... I won, they phoned back and agreed to transfer the money themselves (yeah, just press that button on the left). Guess I'll have to dream about apologies.
mista w: I can see it now - Harradine and Leary's heads floating out in space giving each other migraines. Much as it pains me, I must admit I had to agree with Brian H. on the ethics and social justice question.
Altamira: Steve W. and Jim Capaldi teamed up again in the eighties sometimes under his name and sometimes as 'Traffic' - 'here comes a man' and 'some kinda woman' are from Traffic - Far From Home (1994). He's done quite a bit since 'Back in the High Life. Check out his site: http://www.stevewinwood.com and also www.azstarnet.com/~bobbieg/winwood.htm - he's touring the US in Aug-Sept (dates just released).
Ole: when you get a mo' what's the latest betting on the release date - can't remember my pick! Happy to contribute a DMB single CD to the prize pool.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Just One More Thing
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 19:59:30
Comments:
Stranger: Who's ranukah? And are from Chicago?
Later,
Herm
Name: Roy.Scam
remastered.reborn.and.recalcitrant
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 19:52:06
Comments:
Doc Mu: Please reread the paragraph immediately following the word "David" in your 9:35 post. I think, if you can chuckle at yourself, you'll enjoy the apparent lapse of self proofreading skills. The sentence structure formed interlocking pretzels, and several new and interesting words were introduced. And I really wanted to know what that paragraph was saying, too. Could you currect it for us?
Stranger: I agree with your selections, except I was going to pick Anna Nicole Smith for two of those categories.
My favorite albums ["Who cares?" "Shut up!"]
1) Countdown to Ecstacy
2) Nightfly
3) Katie LiedBest album lyrically: 11 TOW
Favorite verse: The 'I don't dare to follow' verse in "Junkie Girl".
RS
Name: DrMu
all in fun now
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 19:25:49
Comments:
Stranger: More about ranukah. Why does that name sound familiar?
RubyBaby: It is the beat for some hip action - gotta have some music in the new frontier. Uh oh, I should have known Hitler was hanging around Munchen.
Hey DrMu: I think that's Porcaro (or maybe Gordon) on the drums in "Charlie Freak", not Hodder. Notice how the technique is sounds like Bad Sneakers. Jeff Porcaro once said he learned a much of his style and technique from Jim Gordon.
Name: Geena
zipshot
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 19:18:47
Comments:
TheStranger:
best albums: Tie: Royal Scam/Aja/Katylied
best pizza: my own
best beach: Horseneck Beach, MA
best novel: Tie: The Doomsday Conspiracy/The Firm
best ski run: Please! I get nosebleeds just going up a flight of stairs!
best heavyweight: Evander Holyfield
best city: Montreal
best actress: Lauren Bacall
best actor: Liam Neeson (*sigh*)
best piece of ass: my permasqueeze
my favorite line: Is there gas in the car?
Name: TheStranger
tops
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 14:50:46
Comments:
best album: aja
best pizza: uno's or due's, chicago
best beach: tamarindo, costa rica
best novel: catch 22
best ski run: the burn, snowmass mountain, aspen
best heavyweight: muhammad ali
best city: paris
best actress: meryl streep
best piece of ass: ranukah
Name: RubyBaby
unplugged, uncut & unleashed
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 14:42:35
Comments:
David In the Fla Room: That was an interesting piece about digital radio, etc. The possibilities are exciting!Dr. Mu: I'm now planning to buy the re-mastered Pretzel Logic, thanks to you. I heard that the version of Rikki without the cool beginning was originally made for radio play. I wonder why they used that one here?
How does the song, Pretzel Logic sound to you? Did you know it's perfect for a strip number?
Checking out this McCain person, too.Anthony: What would I wear? I'm so glad you asked. I work best when I can just put on whatever strikes my fancy. Can you handle that? I love your platform shoe idea.
fezo: I think it's so funny that you think I gave up!
clas: your grandma was one hot tamale! hubba, hubba!! Glad the peachtree has sprouted. Only one? I must send you more.
rb
Name: EyeSpy
you've got some optical nerve
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 13:31:29
Comments:
What are you doing at work Clas? I think it's time you went home (obviously your brain is overworked).
Name: DrMu
today's picks
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 13:19:52
Comments:
including solo eff:
Katy Lied
The Nightfly
Aja
Gaucho
Kamakiriad
Countdown to Ecstaxy
Royal Scam
Can't Buy A Thrill
11 Tracks of Whack
Pretzel LogicThe last 4 are virtually interchangeable.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Huh?
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 12:37:32
Comments:
Clas: You've got to have one hell of a great Muzak service in Sweden then.
Name: Al
-
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 12:37:31
Comments:
Yeah Clas..You've said alot of really stupid things here in the last couple of years, BUT your last comment on the Aja album takes the cake! You really are a MORON.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 12:15:36
Comments:
Katy Lied
Royal Scam
Gaucho
I'm not that impressed with Aja, it's so muzac-ish, the songs are great though.
Name: Hank Silvers
c/o Hugo Spaak
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 09:56:14
Comments:
S. Hermit -- re: Aja: Amen. My ears aren't what they used to be, but I'll still probably spring for that one remaster in June.
FWIW, here's another list, in the order I'd listen to them these days.
(1) Aja
(2) 11 Tracks
(3) Katy Lied
(4) Countdown (this and the 3 above it are Desert Island Disks)
(5) Royal Scam
(6) Can't Buy
(7) Pretzel
(8) Kamakiriad (except for long car trips, when it'd be #1 or 2)
(9) Nightfly
(10) Gaucho (I like the songs they left off better than several of the ones they released)
Name: DrMu
*****
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 09:38:00
Comments:
I meant: bandwidth and fidelity are poor for most folks coming into their computer...
Name: DrMu
***
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 09:35:25
Comments:
David,
Maybe in a few years, but the bandwidth and fidelity of a music file coming into you computer is your home. It will take a long while to replacee all the currect phonelines and jacks and calbe companies (cable can support the information streaming necessary) are run and manned by MORONS. Then the comprerssion program must be able not to lose data to an acceptable degree.
I see the internet as more of an advertisement/promotional media for the artist especially with internet Radio becoming more popular. Would the music industry pimping and payola finally be stopped??? Programmable internet radio would be all the artist all the time...but that would be overwhelming for new music. On the other hand, MP3 and internet radio gives new bands a chance to be heard. In contrast to downloading, I see independent companies pressing CDs (or better yet DVD media) for artist and the working with them with internet promotion. I also see a lot more home and independent studios as the price of good digital recording equipment will continue to get cheaper...Who knows???
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 08:42:33
Comments:
Aja
Katy
Countdown
Gaucho
CBAT
Royal
Pretzel
--------
Kama
Nightfly
11TOW
Whole Lotta Love(live version)...............
Name: Sociable Hermit
My Picks
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 08:19:58
Comments:
For what it's worth, not only is "Aja" my favorite Dan album, I believe it is one of the best albums ever made! I've had "favorite records" in the past that I listened to until for days on end, only to be burnt out after awhile. But not "Aja". That one seems to be like oxygen, (or water, or sex, or money, or parenthetical similes...), you can never have enough of it.
After "Aja", I would go with "Katy Lied", "Gaucho", "The Royal Scam", "Pretzel Logic", with "CTE", and "CBAT", tied for last, which does not suggest that they are inferior albums; they would merely be the order which I would listen to them. Solo records would be, "Nightfly", "Kamakiriad", then "11 Tracks of Whack". In truth, I would probably rank "Nightfly" as a tie with "Katy Lied". I love that album.
Man, just thinking about their catalogue has got me itching for something new.
Wouldn't it be a riot if we found out that Don and Walt actually visited our GB, and decided to delay the release date based on our fanatical desire to have it? Since they would probably never contact anyone directly, let me ask for confirmation this way: if you guys do check in here and render our opinions, how about mentioning us in the liner notes to your next record? You know, something like, "Thanks to all the rabid fans at the Sign In Stranger Guest Book, brought to you by St.Al. I promise we won't let it go to heads and allow corporate sponsorhip. This will never be "The Pepsi-State Farm Sign In Stranger Guest Book, brought to you by St.Al and GO.com!, with the help of the Miller Brewing Co., and the wonderful people of Walgreen's..."
Okay, gotta go.
Herm
Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 08:01:33
Comments:
Hello Everyone, I have been a longtime subscriber to a magazine called "Electronic Musician" This article is from their online version. The writer is president of a company called Taxi that tries to place material from songwriters with Artists and Record Company's. Anyway, the Guy wrote an interesting perspective on the possible future of the Record companies and the way we will buy music. Remember, this is just his Opinion...So, don't like it or hate it too much. Your Friend , David in the Florida Room
How the Internet Will Really Sell Music
By Michael Laskow
May 1999--Let me be the first to admit that I'm no Nostradamus. I'm just a guy who owns a company that helps unsigned bands, artists, and songwriters get their music to major record labels, music publishers, and music supervisors working in film and TV. My company, TAXI, began to appear on the radar screens of some of the largest and most visible music-related Internet companies.
Why? Because TAXI's membership, which at the time of this writing is 5,000 strong, represents the largest pool of unsigned talent under one roof in the world. And that means one thing to Internet big wigs--content! Lots of content.
Of course, on the Web, if there's no good content, there's no good reason to go to the site. If a site is rich in content, Web surfers will have a reason to go there (and more importantly, stay there). And that is exactly what the Web developers want, because the longer you stay, the more advertisements you'll see on the site. The more "eyeballs" a site can attract, and the "stickier" the site (as in its ability to hold your attention), the more appealing it is to the companies who buy the ad space. But the Internet is only the tip of the iceberg. Below the surface lies the future of the music industry, and that looms much larger than, say, technology that allows you to download free MP3 files.
Here's the future as I see it: Internet radio will allow the listener to "program" playlists to suit their tastes. And digital radio will free you to listen to the music you want, anytime, anywhere by opening up the frequency spectrum for open and programmable client/server systems similar to those that now dominate the computer industry.
But where will you find the music to build your station with? Probably from a top Web site, something with a brand name, such as Rolling Stone or MTV. But the best part is yet to come! There will also be a Buy button on your digital radio. If you like something and want to purchase it, just hit the button and your account will be automatically billed, and the tune will be waiting for you on your entertainment system's hard drive when you get home. An important thing to note is that singles, not albums, will be the driving force behind this new mode of business. And where will the stations get the singles? I'm betting that it won't be record companies. I'm putting my money on direct licensing from the artists themselves.
If so, what will artists need record companies for? You won't need their manufacturing capabilities, and as far as the marketing cloud they provide, why would you need it (or money, for that matter) when your song could be heard on a megastation that's global, not local in its reach? My prediction is that the stations will become marketing partners with the artists, who at this point won't just be playing music, they'll be selling it, as well!
Of course, this begs the question: if this is the case, why would artists want to have a middleman like a record label taking 85 percent of every dollar earned when they could just cut a direct deal with the radio station/retailer and keep a much bigger chunk of the bounty?
And that, my friends, is why the question isn't if the sky is falling, but on whom. My guess is that it will fall on record labels as we know them today. A new day is about to dawn, and it's going to be an especially good day for you, the people who make music.
Name: Technicolor Motorhome
DavisnSIGN@aol.com
Location: Flint, MI USA
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 08:00:27
Comments:
Technicolor Motorhome Steely Dan tribute band will be playing on June 15 in Flint, MI
http://www.flintnet.com/technicolormot/technico.htm
Name: DrMu
puddin pie
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 07:50:41
Comments:
Stephen V: I got my Tot-ites mixed up. Thanks for the reminder.
Katy sprints out to an early lead. Clas is Gaucho #2 or 3 for you? Don't have the DTS version, but looking forward to upgrading. It may be quite underrated despite Wendell. Great songs - nice keys. As the dynamic range is punched up, should sound beter and better.
D. Lee: The overall order for me is in flux. Aja was my fave for years, then I just couldn't resist Katy's complete seduction any longer 6 years or so ago. To be honest, after hearing the re- re-s Countdown to Ecstasy, while still great, will probably fall behind Gaucho.
Name: D. Lee Stan
tourist.gives@lineone.net
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 06:13:07
Comments:
Dr Mu. Always hard to choose a fave album. Don't you find that your selection can change over time.?? For me it's been Logic and Countdown at different times but now, I vote for Royal Scam. Let's start fave lines. Mine? "Turn up The Eagles the neighbours are listening". Bring on the new album. Jack of Speed live is brilliant!!
Name: fezo
surveysays
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 05:21:45
Comments:
i third that emotion for Katy Lied as the fav disc.
had just voted for it the other day on the new (ole: hint hint, you need to update the link) Broberg site poll.
there's an excellent pic of our heroes in action on the front of the site. No credit though so don't know if the shooter was Fogel or not.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 04:01:44
Comments:
Stephen V - finally something I haven't heard before. Thank you.
Name: Stephen V.
@steely research.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 01:32:38
Comments:
Dr. Mu: You can find the line up for 'Rikki', 'East St.Louis' and i think 'Pretzel Logic' on the 'Decade' CD liner notes.....I don't think Purdie is on 'Pretzel Logic' and I think Paich only did arrangements on 'Pretzel' but did play keyboards on 'Katy Lied'....
At the time of its' release 'Logic was lauded by the critics ('Stainless Steely Band'-Rolling Stone) and seen as a tour de force...the band did a major tour that evevntually led to their implosion in July....Hodder and Baxter were told to hit the road and Fagen and Becker got involved in a lot of legal bullshit with their ex-manager Joel Cohen, who wanted them to continue doing concerts in dog breath, NJ.....25 years later 'Pretzel Logic' holds up well....... but it was kinda slapped together to meet a rushed deadline for ABC (mafia controlled)Dunhill Records....and I'm sure if B/F had their druthers they'd have left off tracks like 'Through With Buzz' and their ode to the 'Moonies 'Barrytown' in favor of a more polished version of 'Mobile Home'...but I digress........
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 23:27:40
Comments:
Dr Mu - Katy Lied is my fave too.
Altamira - cool.
Name: DrMu
eveything's heavy underground
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 22:50:35
Comments:
Altamira: I would agree that PL is a transitions album to the studio entity and MAYBE their least outsanding effort. A number of the songs were written with radio in mind (Night By Night is probably the most blatant). But that's the point is a sense...most group's *best* efforts pale in comparison. There's so much great stuff here: Rikki is proably my favorite overall performance: it's magical and visceral (what a guitar solo by Skunk) than most Dan. NBN is the most exciting cop show theme I've ever heard. Great guitar work on Dude and With a gun. The new master has me appreciating the album even more, but can't say I have the same passion for it as Katy Lied...It's funny I think that behind Aja, Pretzel Logic is the favorite of many. A poll among the GBers would be intersting - Aja would be probably win, but it would be interesitng to see how the others fell.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: My addled brain,
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 22:31:29
Comments:
Brave, Studly and Wise - It wasn't 1981; it must have been some year between 1983 and 1988. I'm sorry; my memory is not what it once was.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 22:19:04
Comments:
Dr. Mu - I will try to keep an open mind, and I will listen to it again on my boxed set CD, but I have never liked Pretzel Logic. I always saw it as sort of a weak effort, a kind of a bridge from their earlier, more instrument-solo-oriented work (oh, that doesn't quite sum up what I meant; maybe a rawer type of sound?) and their later studio-based work. I've also read that the cuts are short on that album because the studio heads were encouraging them to produce material that could function well as singles. There are some tracks on the album I like, but I don't like most of it and I don't play it. I'll give it another spin to find the good spots on it, but I've always felt it was Steely Dan's weakest effort, sort of like Bheethoven's Lord Nelson Overture or Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus - all great artists stumble, and I've just thought that Pretzel Logic was SD's stumbling.BernHO - Thanks, I always appreciate attention!
Geena - Ok, I'll keep trying with the chat room. And thanks for the compliment; I have a long history of kicking asses well. I've noticed that those troll-like folks who were dissing me seem to have crawled back under their rocks, but if they ever re-emerge, I'll be ready for them.
Jive Miguel - I read an interview on one of the many websites where those things can be found in which WB says some decidedly not nice things about Steely Damned. Oh, well, you can make up your own mind without his help.
Omio - I just love Kathy Bates. I don't see many movies, but I regret having missed Primary Colors because I would have loved to have seen her in it (and I can't rent the video because I don't have a VCR; this is a tiny apartment and I only have enough room for the computer).
Mr. Toad - Wonderful joke! Clever use of language; I really like it.
Sociable Hermit - Good to hear from you. Life really is a mess, isn't it?
Clas - His name is Tim; he's from Mississippi originally and he lived in Washington for several years. He just loves Sweden. I'll be writing to him soon and I'll tell him about this group, since we often discuss classical music and I'm sure he'll enjoy conversing about a different style of music - who knows, he might be a Dan fan himself. I'll give him the URL of the Guest Book if he seems interested. I'm glad that Pompe is doing well.
Brave, Studly and Wise - It was the one with Higher Love on it, and I only wrote the paper because it was assigned to me. I would have preferred to write about an SD album, but it had to be something released within the past year (I think it was 1981, had it been a year later, I could have written about The Nightfly, and would have preferred to have done so since I knew much more about Donald Fagen than I did about Steve Winwood). So Romeo and Juliet was about fate? Ok, but that seems so dreary - I'd rather think about how we can jump in and take control of our own lives and not let fate control everything. Probably doesn't make for good theater, though.
Cuntessa - Ok, I'll keep my comments confined to the list. But, if you kept a count of who writes the greatest number of words to this list, it wouldn't be me - if you want to accuse someone of diarhea of the mouth, I think you would have some far better contenders.
Name: DrMu
stop making sense
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 21:48:54
Comments:
that should be READ the lyrics which are included
Name: DrMu
Who'sWho
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 21:17:49
Comments:
Oh, forgot to mention that it was good to hear the lyrics (thought I saw City was left off Kansas City of Parker's Band.
I was hoping that the musicians would be listed for each individual song, but alas... Can anyone tell me who is playing the acoustic guitar on Rikki (ParKs?), Dude (Skunk + Ben Benay or Parks?), Barrytown (no idea), and With a Gun (Skunk?). Also, I can't remember if that's David Paich on solo guitar on the title track?
Bernard Purdie's mentioned in the liner note, but not in the paragraph thanking the musicians. Is he participating on a song? Anybody? That's Jim Gordon on Rikki. I think that's Hodder on Night by Night? (but there's that little shuffle like Purdie - nah, Hodder had a litle skip shuffle too, maybe?)...Hodder on Dude, I think. Porcaro? Gordon? (wait - that little shuffle - Hodder? Purdie? (damn, don't think so) on Barrytown? Gordon on Toodle-oo. Gordon AND Porcaro on Parker's Band. Hodder on Buzz? Gordon on Pretzel Logic? Gordon maybe Porcaro? on With a Gun; Hodder on Charlie Freak? Gordon on Monkey?...shit, this will keep me awake
Name: DrMu
smacked into a trance
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 20:20:43
Comments:
This is the first day I've had a chance to listen to the re- re- of Pretzel Logic for more than half of the album. I'm on my 4th listen as I'm getting some proposals together. I was one of those old codgers who stucks with the vinyl versions of the first 4 albums for years as the first couple of CD pressing were inferior in sound quality to vinyl IMHO. That changed with the Citizen era pressings which finally got the dynamic range and separation this music was crying for. The '99 pressing sound even more open and crisp to me.
On Pretzel Logic I can really hear for the first time the details of the dueling drums (Gordon and a teen-age Porcaro) with Dias whipping it up...Then add the dueling sax tracks at the end. Awesome! Can really get into the acousitc guitar which is found in many songs (Rikki, Dude, With a Gun, Barrytown). The true test is I can pick out and concentrate on what certain instruments are doing - like one time I'll focus on the electric guitar or piano or synthesizer or drums...now I can hear the steetness I've been longing for in the clarity I expect. The upgrade really helps Parker's Band, as I alluded to, With a Gun, Through With Buzz, Any Major Dude. I can really tell now what fun they had making the album...the *excitement* permeates the whole CD. The liner notes start off with a hilarious note (Hey Andy by Walter), then talk (this part reads more like Donald than the notes for the first 2 albums) about the opportunity to open up things to more session players, the freedom to work more at their "groove" and the way they wanted without the pains of the road...and breaking the news of the deconstruction of the band to the others - great rationaizations - good point about the Beach Boys - one band for the road - another for the studio overssen by Brian. Only gripe as mentioned is the missing flapamba (or whatever it is) solo by Feldman at the begining of Rikki...do I hear RECALL??
Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 20:18:05
Comments:
J.Miguel: The Damned will be at the Catamaran on Sunday, May 30th.
Name: BernHO
bloodred
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 20:04:30
Comments:
Ho Telly,
Ah yes, I see. I wasn't talking to you, Dearie. I was hitting on Anne.
Name: Geena
listening to the Masters
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 19:37:34
Comments:
I'm listening to the CBAT and CTE remasters, and would someone please help me change my mind? I don't hear any difference. Ok, maybe a little. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt in that maybe it's because I'm listening to them on an old system. I'll give all an update when I listen to them on the newer one.
Altamira: the chat room should be open all the time. I think StAl is just having techno problems with it.
btw...you're doing a good job at ass kicking! Ignore the adolescent minded who post here, there aren't many, but they rear their ugly little heads once in a while.oleander: A dank on the mazel tov! Email on the way, I need to hear all I can before the kinderlech (don't know the singular term) arrives. So what date are we voting on now for the New One? I've lost track.
JustKaty: Keep the spray away from me, it makes my hair frizzy! This little Italian princess can get pretty nasty when the hair is acting up.
DrMu: Oh no problem, I'll be watching Charlie Horse Music Pizza soon enough, maybe i'll catch Stranger's lovelust on it sometime.
TheStranger: When I think of Newt, I remember the time I was raking wet leaves and this tiny, slimy little creature ran out from underneath them....but I have to laugh when I think that the slimy little bugger has more brains than he.
Sociable Hermit and teletubbie: nice post on politics. I agree. Everybody wants to rule the world.Mr. Studly: I don't wanna know what you do in the bathroom, but Methadone can't be smoked, it can be crushed and mixed with orange juice for a nice little kicky cocktail or you can try to inject or snort it...Don't ask me how I know this.
Name: te1etubbie
Oops! I almost forgot!
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 18:32:32
Comments:
Sorry Bernie Ho-Hum, I didn't mean to forget about you. Regarding your comment: Well I guess that's why my eyes are brown.
Name: te1etubbie
...teletubbies come to play!
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 18:24:49
Comments:
Herm: yes, I am of the legal age. I would love to come hang out in your cave any day of the week. I'll bring the drinks, you light the bonfire, we'll listen to some Steely Dan, and all will be right within the cosmos.
Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: San Diego,
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 17:37:54
Comments:
FLAROOM - Good to see someone else has had a listen to the 5.1 DTS Gaucho. You say it is one of the TWO best pressing - what could possibly compare to that?!?!? What other format sounds as good as that one. Also, do you hhave anymore music DTS? The selection is pretty small - I got "Fly Like An Eagle" but the sound quality (even for DTS) pales in comparison with Gaucho.
Ant news on weather the boys will release another DTS. I agree, Countdown would be awesome. If you have anymore great DTS disks let me know which ones are good.BILL- Another great tribute band is the Steely Damned in San Diego.
By the way Tedde, when are the Damned playing at the Catamaran again??
Also, is there anyone in the San Diego that has some good sounding Steely Dan bootlegs? I live in O.B. and have lots of other music to trade.
Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 17:11:12
Comments:
Katie Dan Fan....thanks to you and everyone else for wishing us well on our wedding. We're Home At Last and settled in nicely, just enjoying life and love with a heaping helping of good music. Thanks again!
Name: mista w
further
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 15:55:39
Comments:
omio:there's a chapter about Kesey's paranoid fantasy about being busted which links with 'is there gas in the car? etc' -I saw both Kesey and Leary out here in australia years ago-on the pub lecture circuit- both were lucky to escape with their skins intact so little did they give. Whoever the song is about, the struggle (and downfall )of the idealist is dealth with even more harshly in "Only a fool would say that".
Name: OMIO
bubb@
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 15:19:36
Comments:
Politcos: Fuck 'Em All.. Watch "Primary Colors"..(it's worth it just for Kathy Bate's performance..)"Billary" is a Sociopathic, predatory political animal that feeds on the thrills of High Risk antics, then brilliantly weasels out of it everytime it's cornered.. And those are their good points..
Kid Charle... Best stick with Owsley on that one.. Kesey is more like PT Barnum, & sometimes shows up for appearances so loaded they have to hold him up.. Too bad, he can be a genius with words, but honestly, without Babbs to help him, he couldn't do much on his own anymore.. Did you know that in addition to chemicals, he had a few turns experimenting with electro shock? Lucky he wasn't into Trepanning ("Pass me that 1/2" Black & Decker, wouldya dear?").. Gosh, what a fun party that would be..
Maybe Marge would pop out of a cake & dance, too..
Name: Mr. Toad
pun-tificating
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 15:07:50
Comments:
A frog walks into a bank, and leaps onto the counter where the
cashier, Miss Patty Wack is sitting."I'd like to borrow $50,000 to buy a new sportscar please."
Miss Patty Wack, somewhat surprised, says $50,000 is a lot of money to lend to a frog - I'm not sure I can agree to that."
The frog replies, "it's OK, my Dad's Mick Jagger - you'll get the
money back, Miss Patty Wack."Miss Patty Wack considers this information and then asks "Yes OK,
but do you have any colateral against the loan?"
The frog, from his position squatting on the other side of the glass, answers "Hey! What kind of frog do you take me for, Miss Patty Wack?Of course I've got colateral; I've got this..." and he pulls from his pocket a 2 inch tall model of an elephant, made from porcelain in Taiwan and painted pink.
Miss Patty Wack looks at the elephant, then at the frog.
Clearly embarrassed, she says "I'll have to ask the manager about
this;I don't know if we can lend $50,000 to a frog, against a porcelain elephant". So taking the elephant, she goes in to see the manager."Boss" she says, "There's a frog out there wants to borrow $50,000, says his dad's Mick Jagger, and all the colateral he's got is this" (holds up elephant) "What is it?"
The manager draws in his breath, looks at the elephant, then at the cashier, and replies; "It's a nick-nack, Patty Wack, give the frog a loan; his old man's a Rolling Stone."
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 14:50:53
Comments:
I know this is part of a plan masterminded by Donald & Walt.....
holding back on the new CD will create chaos which will spread throughout the net.
pontificate onward all (that word was SO provocative the last time)
I know Micheal Packard, Micheal Packard is a friend of mine......
and Sir, your no Micheal Packard !Go Micheal !!
David and I inhabit different parts of the FLAROOM, but thanks
Micheal and BigFan, I'm still sorting out your respective lists.
Q
Name: Sociable Hermit
What's On Another Channel?
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 13:59:44
Comments:
Christ, I stay away for three days, and this place turns into a cyber version of Springer Show. This is nuts. Talking about politics and religion are not only two of the most volitile subjects you can touch on, but they are two of the most pointess to discuss, since people are so vehement in their opinions that they won't give anyone else any slack. All such conversations ultimately evolve into name calling contests, or, when discussed by men, castration contests. Stranger, don't let Anthony get you into a dick fight; you'll end up being a "Talk Soup" clip of the week. I can see Anthony now, parading in front of the cameras screaming, "You wanna see what I got? I KNOW it's bigger than his! You wanna see?", all the while the audience chants, "Jerry! Jerry!". People with politcal opinions rarely are swayed, so, save yourselves the time and agony of having to out-do the other guys' insensitive and sexist comments.
te 1 etubby: Very nice post. If you ever get sick of all the shit, you can pick-up some beer and hang out in my cave with me for awhile. You are old enough to purchase beer, I hope?
oleander: Thanks for the offer of the light box, but I've never quite understood the theory behind them; sometimes I'll just stare at my computer screen for hours, but I rarely feel any better.
In closing, I think that you have all proven what is wrong with American politics: everyone wants so badly to prove that they're right, that they stoop to name calling, mud-slinging, and near violent behavior. No one seems to want to meet halfway and listen and help each other; egos keep interferring with any potential convergence. People and politicans would rather trample right over those with opposite viewpoints than have to admit that they might be wrong about the slightest matters, because admitting that one of your personal tenets might be wrong would be tantamount to admitting failure. Too many decisions are being made to benefit the people making them, and not the mass of people that they should be helping. I know that there is no such creature as a "truly selfless person", but it seems that people in general are caring less for their fellow men and women than they were in the past. We need to see what is good for not only the community, but for society.
There. Guess I can pontificate, too.
Later,
Herm
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 12:22:07
Comments:
GK John - thank you very much. I guess she could get an apartment down in Alphabet City.
So, can you tell me what happened to Lone Star Roadhouse?
Name: GK John
...
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 12:02:11
Comments:
Yanno Clas, I've always meant to tell you what a fan I am about JB, despite the alleged beatings he gave to his ex, the lovely Daryl. Whatever his own personal demons, I've always loved his work. The Saturate, Everyman & Late for the Sky LPs still bring tears to my eyes. I played Running on Empty until I wore out the grooves. But really, I've never seen anyone get so apoplectic over three dots!
PS. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the person who shares the Oval Office with Bill Clinton in Washington. Judging from their behaviour, it is she who wants the titles & power more since he just uses the White House as a pick-up joint. Some morons in New York State think it would be a good idea for her to run for senator on the democratic ticket replacing the retiring Daniel Patrick Moynihan when her days of watching Bill's dick at the White House are over. Her qualifications? She has shopped here a few times. Trouble is, she can't establish residency here. The present mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani, has his eye on the seat as the republican nominee.
Name: Clas
hanging out with lisa and all her friends
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 11:19:11
Comments:
GK John - I couldn't agree more. Three dots and everything. Yes, I like it.
Who is this Hillary?
Altamira - really, you have a friend who moved to Sweden. And he likes it? Are we talking about Jackson Browne here?
Schwinn - where are you?
Name: GK John
Happy Anniversary Boomer!
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 11:04:18
Comments:
One year ago today: Boomer Wells pitches a perfect game at Yankee Stadium (I was there the day before)and I shared a plane ride to Tampa with Tino Martinez that night. Yeah, I know, Big Whoop!
El Supremo- Your birthday this past weekend? Mine too... Got a box of Upmann coronas from the Mrs! She didn't know the brand for El Supremos! Happy belated...
Hey Roy- You referring to the Darwin Award story about the genius with a six-pack on the electrical tower? I love that one! I heard that there was only a charred spot where his pecker used to be! Great story!
Benny- Loved that stars alignment post dude! The double helix prophesy espoused by D & W could be in effect here. I guess we'll all have to keep our eyes on the sky and wait.... Meanwhile, I do have a rant about these "re-remasters" released by the record companies spouting better and better recordings by our favorite artists... Why don't they let us trade in our "inferior" cd's and tapes so we can own the original music in the format the music was "intended" for us to hear in the first place? Just another artificial way for the music industry to inflate their profits at the expense of the listening masses. Funny how they do this at the 'right' time of year; before a tour, a gift season, etc...
And my two cents about Hilary, from the perspective of a concerned voter. This bullshit practice of politicians jumping from office to office just because there is an "opening" has got to end. Yes, Rudy has done a creditable job regarding NYC, but on a statewide scale, he's going to get killed by the rest of the state because of the perception that he's a big apple polisher. And, frankly, he scares me with his bigger scheme of things policy. He loves power and good press. This can lead to a LOT of disenchanted residents in the smaller burgs that make up NYS. Even still, I wouldn't vote for that 2-bit slimy lawyer if she was the last candidate on earth. Doesn't Arkansas need her more than we do? She should go back there and oversee the construction of the shack they're going to call the Clinton Library. I hear there's going to be some great exhibits of the pants ol' Bill has left on the floor in some of the best hotels across the country. She wants credibility? She should have divorced that cheating, lying, sneaky son-of-a-bitch years ago. Then she could have been perceived as being independent and trustworthy. I for one would respect that more. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Name: TheStranger
remaster this
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 10:13:56
Comments:
john mccain's a genuine hero and pretty much a straight shooter. but he supports nra and weirdo christian right agendas. i would gladly buy him a drink in a topless bar but i wouldn't want him for pres. looking at gore, bush, quayle and the rest i think we're looking at a particularly revolting election season. we'll need a new steely dan cd to get through this. and i don't mean remastered ripoff shit they recorded in 1977. but i am in favor of the remasters because they are a form of income redistribution, taking cash from spoiled yuppies and relaying it to smarter but ethics-challenged sharpies.
Name: Murph
liar,liar
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 08:15:44
Comments:
Loser... Can't you read. I said I DID email him! You piece of shit. Why don't you and Michael Fudgepacard piss off.Murph
Name: mista w
all you purdy ones
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 05:39:11
Comments:
to find "the dream" : look in Thompson's " Fear &Loathing"-the ultimate egalitarian CAPITALIST 24 hour nightmare of Vegas.. or follow the road back to Gatsby's mansion, with every room lit up yet empty.. or even further to Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" ( from which Fitzgerald skimmed and Thompson quotes to end his other examination of 'free enterprise' : "Hell's Angels".
GK Richard : Harradine & Burroughs ? Didn't Bill once say " If you're ever dealing with a religious SOB GET IT IN WRITING" ? guess they shouda. I can picture him in a hat and he's got the whiney voice down - my shape is my shade etc but what's next ..Harradine hitting the hammer ? This line of thought , however, leads me to "Kid Charlemagne" - seems to me to be based on "The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test" everyone thinks its Owsley but wouldn't Kesey fit the bill just as well?
Name: Gentleman Loser
Up Yours, Todd.com
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 03:04:10
Comments:
Todd Murphy,
Why don't you trade your "ten-cent-life" in for another one? Or, respond to Mr. Packard via his email address which is always listed on here, you dweed.
Mr. Packard's friend
Name: Brave, Studly and Wise
secondnotice
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 01:34:50
Comments:
JustKaty: Could you please fill your "squirt" device with Evian water? Reverse osmosis is an art form in France.
Altamira: And which Winwood album did you "write" a paper about? Most of the subjects we take enough interest in to write about here at Brave, Studly and Wise we maintain an interest in unless it dies and becomes moot or collectible. BTW, Romeo and Juliet was intended to be a story about "fate". Get it?
And speaking of Liberals and Conservatives, here's Mr. Brave:
"I fought in WWII and I deserve everything! I'm 72 years old and could pound Jesse Ventura's ass with one hand glued to my Viagara infused Johnson! If you didn't risk everything for it then you don't value it. That's my motto. I cry every night wishing Bobby, Billy and Jack could have reaped the spoils of war, but no! Their guts were spilled a world away for my opportunity to live the good life. I hate myself, by the way. But I've got more money than any liberal sheep-herder could ever dream of. So there!"
And now a word from Studly:
"I had my nuts blown off near Saigon and still managed to sire 3 strapping boys. Unfortunately, because of post-Vietnam war trauma I became a dead-beat dad and only through Liberal welfare policies were my wife and kids able to survive until I kicked my heroin habit with easily prescribed methadone which I still smoke occasionally when I have to sit on the toilet and piss like a girl."
And Finally, Mr. Wise:
"I guess I have no choice but to enter this conversation so I'll be brief. Mr. Brave spends all his time on the golf course and Mr. Studly spends all his time at the titty bars. I do all the work and don't have time for all this Conservative / Liberal crap. Hey, I heard you guys know where the good smoke is..."
Another Valuable Message from Your Friends at,
Brave, Studly and Wise
Name: Clas
@ United Fruitcakes
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 at 01:07:38
Comments:
Fezo - yeah, I remember that. Read an article about it in Rolling Stone. Roger Daltrey said that Pete Townsend cried his eyes out, Daltrey didn't.
Hmmm, so that was Cincinnati.
Altamira - now you're talking! Pompe is doing fine thank you.
PS/ If you're out flying, avoid Delta Airlines. IF you have to fly with them, don't use the F-word.
Name: Bernie Ho Hum
my@ss
Location: Flushing, NY
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 22:29:41
Comments:
You're full of shit.
Name: te1etubbie
over the hills and far away...
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 22:19:08
Comments:
My goodness! Such heated debates on who is right, and who is a worthless piece of shit. Well, as I stated before, I know that I am problebly a bit younger than the average poster on this site, and therefore lacking in life experience. But I am old enough to have formed some valid opinions. Here's a news flash: Demographic catagorical listings are a pathetic attempt to lump together the people of this country, and give them an excuse not to think for themselves. If you are a "conservative" you are supposed to think this way. If you are a "liberal" you are supposed to think this way. It has been my experience that if you put 20 random people in a room and give them a topic to debate, you are going to hear 20 very different opinions. So why is everyone suppossed to fit into 2 nicely divided little groups when it comes to politics? I'm not talking middle of the road, indecisive, fence-sitting, as was referenced before. I'm talking about true free thinking. If you ask me, anyone whose opinions fall completly within one catagory is the one playing it safe, because they know that they'll at least have their demographic to back them up and support them. I agree with some conservative viewpoints, and some liberal. In the end though, I think both are more full of hot air than anything else. I guess I'm just sick of people telling me how I "should" feel. Because of my sex, because of my ethnicity, because of my financial bracket, because of my age, because of my geographic location, ect. ect. ect. Any opinions that I have formed in my brain are based on my life experiences, nothing more. I guess that's why my opinions are constantly changing. Because I'm constantly growing. I'm constantly trying to improve myself, and learn. So, if your "ideals" are set in one specific area, I think you should ask yourself why. Is it because someone else told you to feel that way, or because you've already acheived all the growth that you could possibly aquire in your lifetime? Either scenario is equally sad.
Name: Cuntessa
laplickers
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 21:50:37
Comments:
Alta-mire: You can't get into the chatroom because we have purposely blocked your access. Now kindly cease annoying us with your diarrhea of the mouth.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 21:28:40
Comments:
Hey, what's up with the chat room? I tried to visit it tonight when it was supposed to be open, and I got a message telling me that the site couldn't be found.
Good King Richard - I really like Steve Winwood; I wrote a paper on one of his albums many years ago when I was an American Studies undergraduate student. Has he done anything musical lately?
Anthony - You have a good point. In a just society, we all would look out for those less fortunate and everyone would be taken care of. But, unfortunately, not everyone takes responsibility for caring for their neighbors, and so, in my opinion, the government needs to step in and help those who would fall through the cracks otherwise. This is not the optimal solution, however.
Clas - I'm still interested in Pompe, and I hope that he is doing well.
Oleander - Yes, I guess I do like to respond; it's fun! I can't imagine DiCaprio doing Romeo and Juliet; he seems a bit lightweight, but then he may do just fine in the role, he might have more depth than he has been able to demonstrate. I heard Gounod's version of Romeo and Juliet on the Chicago Lyric Opera broadcast on Saturday; I still think it's a dumb story - if only they had waited a bit and thought things out better, they might have survived. But then, with their families fighting the way they were, perhaps they could have never escaped Verona. But I still think they acted in a silly, ill-concieved manner. And yes, I suppose productivity is highly over-rated.
Name: Todd Murphy
@ put your $ where your mouth is.....
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 20:26:53
Comments:
Michael Packard.. Why do you go on the Steely Dan alt. board and tell everyone you have every single show Steely Dan has EVER done (including 1974) on soundboard, and then pussy out by not returning my email when I question you about it?
I think you're full of shit!Murph
Name: GoodKingRichard
here comes a man
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 19:44:35
Comments:
Ole: got your message. Thanks for keeping me in touch. After waiting all this time for 'Three Against Nature' (a little Becker humour there!) what's a few weeks here and there - I can wait for the 're-mastered version' if necessary. No sweat!... mainly 'cos it got down to minus brass monkey last night padding up and down the corridor to catch the mewling and pewking ones and catch up on the late night sport. Forget Fall, it'll probably snow later in the week.
mista w: we've seen the last of the GST, raise up your glass to good King Brian!? or have we? I like to think of the man as a sort of Burroughs alter ego.
Finally, yes, belated Happy Birthday Mr Winwood! A timely reminder Mr Turtle - Had a fine w/e cranking Traffic up to '11'. One of the few people to sit comfortably in the same pantheon as Don and Walt.
Richard&kangaroos
Name: El Supremo
" . . .I detect the 'El Supremo' from the room at the top-of-the stairs.com
USA
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 16:56:23
Comments:
Hello DanFanLand!
Wondering how you are all doing? Did you get the newly 'remastered' version of "Pretzel Logic" yet? I understand that the 'remastered' version of "Katy Lied" is due out this coming Tuesday or Wednesday.
It will be interesting to listen how this sounds with all of the master tape problems associated with the first one.
Indeed, Walter and Donald are always looking for the newest and best 'high-tech' equipment with which to record their beautiful music, yet they have been 'burned' many times with this approach.
Smile, DanFans----the "New One" will be released before we all anticipate it.
Yes, JustKatyDanFan, I love your haltertop, my wife-for-life. However, I prefer what is 'under' it, my honey sweet rose darling.
Cheers!
ES
Name: Anthony
@his.bar.and.grill
USA Baby!!!
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 16:50:37
Comments:
Stranger: you're so riled...is that all it took? Such thin skin, but again I find that to be a common occurrence with Liberals. You can dish it out but can't take it huh? Typical. And oh by the way, your little tantrum was quite funny...got dick?Oleander: rotting entrails...sounds like an expert opinion. You must know rotting entrails when you see them. From now on, you are no longer Oleander, you're R.E.M., Rotting Entrails Mistress. One question: Why have you shorn your locks, denied your true heritage, and become a daughter of Belial? I am sad for you. But there's Hope.
Ruby: Dang! So what could you wear at the bar?
Altamira: Thanks for the response. I disagree that it's goverment's job to level the playing field. It the job of folks like me and you to be decent to our fellow man (or woman) and give people opportunity because it's right thing to do.
Anthony
Name: Original Lester
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 16:07:02
Comments:
Gingrich should just shut the hell up once and for all. Clearly, he has the Dan Quayle "I must somehow still be an important factor in politics" syndrome.
Clinton sucks. Gore seems to be sucking. Bush Jr sucks. Liddy Dole sucks. John McCain is probably the only worthwhile human being running for President in 2000, and he'll barely make it past New Hampshire- I wouldn't vote for him anyway, as my non-Republican voting streak must stay intact.
The problem with this country is that we have allowed ourselves to be defined by wealth. We embrace Capitalism like it's our fucking God and then act dumbfounded when we find that money determines who runs our government. We'll be even more dumbfounded when the next recession hits. Americans need to take control over their own destinies by desisting with this pattern of depending on the stock market for their wellbeing, and of believing that their President has any real control over the economy. It would also behoove us to get past this damn family values bullshit. We are all in search of the American Dream, but there are but a very few of us that will ever achieve it. And you know what? There's not one powerful person in this country who gives a fuck about that. Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative- they are all in a big money/ media soundbite battle that ultimately leaves us in the cold. Half the people in this country don't vote, and of those who do, most don't want to have to think about what their "leaders" are actually doing when they get into office. In that sense, Americans have themselves much to blame for their lot. I'm not pretending to know what will work, but clearly, the majority of Americans can not depend on the private sector or the government to bring about any meaningful, positive change to their lives.
Dennis Miller once said, "Well, yeah, the US probably is the greatest country in the world, but isn't that like being valedictorian of summer school?"
To also quote Yakov Smirnoff, the worst comic in the world, "I luff thees contry!"
Name: Bill
Doublerain
NJ
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 15:49:27
Comments:
Fellow Steely Dan fans,If you're in New Jersey, check out the Royal Scam tribute band. They play over 40 Dan tunes, including the whole Aja album, alot from Gaucho, and Fagan stuff.Great job, Mike and the band. Hey Pete Fogel, you were way off base about these guys.
Later,
Bill
Name: DrMu
Where are Larry Flynt's pic when ya need'em
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 14:08:05
Comments:
Stranger: can't defend gNewt. He lost his political moral authority when he scammed the govenment for funds used in teaching a college class that was the foundation for a book advance which garnered him millions until he got caught with his fingers in the 'til. Then he attacked Sesame Street and let the nuts in the Rep. party think they had free reign for a while in '95. He has a few good ideas, but he is in no position to do so.
Name: TheStranger
riled
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 11:56:14
Comments:
dr. mu,
of course you're right. newt gingrich has a corner on virtue. that's why he served his dying wife with divorce papers and took a $3.4 million bribe from rupert murdoch (which his colleagues made him give back).incidentally, i can't stand clinton or hillary.
anthony,
what's this infatuation you have with other men's weenies? be careful, you're not dealing with fatass clinton. fuck with me and i'll kick your ass around your protected suburban block. i can also outshoot you and outfuck you, you dumbass piece of shit.
Name: DrMu
Diana Krall sighting
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 11:11:32
Comments:
Wholesome, yes - but the Dad's enjoy it too Dept:
Diana Krall was sighted this morning looking tall and voluptuous in relaxed clothing trying to teach Charlie Horse to drum on the music pizza show (sorry, Geena). Then they finished it off with a little lounge act. Guys, if you didn't catch it wait 5 or 6 weeks as Shari Lewis made only a few episodes before whe passed. Fortunately, the camera operators were bright enough not to blot out Diana by trying to put Dom DeLuise in the same shot. If he has one more canneloni, he'll have enough mass to turn into a black hole - and we can watch the twinkies encircling him in ever tighter circles like water going down the drain.
Name: JustKatyTwiceOnSunday
"...I'm gonna get a gun..."
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 10:39:19
Comments:
Running back in to spray that area in the corner over there, where there's been a slight flare-up!Ole: If you like you could walk under this steady cool spray as you enter...
Clas: You're welcome! You should know I love hearing about Pompe and all his Circumstances, and everything Swedish. I believe you missed my second last post--- wake up and scroll back! *dumping the rest of my pail of water on your head*
El Supremo: So you do have a feeling about this halter top then? Good, I was just beginning to get sorta kinda bored.
JustKaty :)
Name: fezo
heyilikepie
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:50:22
Comments:
Ole: thanks for coming to the defense of my views. it's good to know there's at least one other soul on the righteous path to virtue and truth. damn, i'm starting to think like a conservative.
Clas: other bit of major city in southern Ohio (guarding against anymore flames regarding my spelling skills) trivia. About 20 years ago it was the site of a stampede at a Who concert when the folks pressing against against the still locked doors of the arena were trampled by people behind them. Many were killed, thus ending the practise of general admission seating at most major venues in the US.
Ruby: you give up easy
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:40:24
Comments:
Uhum, THANK you KatyDanFan. Did I ever tell you 'bout my dog did I?
Name: maj©
tck@careerfrontier.net
NJ
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:36:13
Comments:
Hi All. Stopped by for a Sunday morning dose of Dan. Keep hanging in there.
maj©
Name: DrMu
I should proofread before posting
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:29:49
Comments:
30 YEAR
Name: Clas
Member of the Swedish Board of Health and Welfare
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:29:35
Comments:
Sorry for that one, there must have been some Interruption In My Stream Of Consciousness.
GOOD NEWS RUBYBABY!
The Peach Pit cracked deep down in the dirt and now The Calif Peach Plant is standing tall and proud in Sweden. I saw it with my own eyes this morning when Lena dragged me to the greenhouse. Oh boy, she was shining.
Altamira - all that is fine with me, but, do I detect a slight lack of enthusiasm re my dog, Pompe?
OMIO - Marge Schott, thanks, I'm laughing out loud.
Dr Mu - thank you, you too. I'm beginning to be a little interested in that part of USA.
Loose Change - thanks to you toto!
The Stranger - HEY I liked that! You're a fu... ooops! you're a friggin commie!
Name: DrMu
toweling off
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:28:29
Comments:
Ole: If enlightenment...
Name: DrMu
stepping up to the platform
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:27:36
Comments:
Ole: I enlightenment is as you say not in the right or in the middle then it's on the LEFT? Ha! How pretentious! The 30 liberal experiment is over and it is a complete failure. Clinton stole most of the conservative ideas (ex. welfare reform); note that few of his liberal big government ideas have been passed - the country doesn't sant them! I you statement below, you only PROVED my point that liberals argue by demonizing there opponents. Thanks you for the demonstration!
In my post I was careful to distinguish the New from old style liberals, and I was talking about the facts about wavering principles...there were no personal statements! The weak kneed Republicans are wavering just as much now from their conviction with even the threat of a poll. I can't support either party. My point is that it will take a strong man with great convictions who can bridge the gaps that Clinton has created with his divisive rhetoric and policy. Most people in the middle are cowards and have no convictions, but Bradley and McCain do, so that is why they were mentioned SPECIFICALLY!!! The middle or divided govenment is what the American people have shown they wanted (besides is there that much difference between the parties on domestic policy anymore?) Those sources were quite specific - do you want me to list names outside the media that you don't know?? While I don't completely subscribe to Anthony's following up post which was beginning to look like a pissing contest, I do believe at the national level in conservative ideals...and the major point was that FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT the NEW liberals don't HAVE any convictions or priciples: they just say what they feel and what keeps them in power...again, I'll point out the SPECIFIC example of Chris Matthews, probably the BEST political write and commentator around (jeez anothe specific example)...If you read his column or listen to his program on CNBC, (remember he''s an old-style liberal) - I guarantee you he'll say EXACTLY the same thing that I have if you read and listen long enough. It's the TRUTH!! Old-style Liberal policy though SOMETIMES can work at the state andlocal level (if they can afford the taxes!).
Well, I've tried LOGIC... if that doesn't work, here's a DEMONIZING RESPONSE that you may understand (hey, I'm just using y'alls methods here stamped and signed by Bill and Hillary: The NEW liberals are a bunch of ivory tower worshipping, addled-brained, hypocritical, hyperbolic rhetoric spewing, money grubbing (while pretending not to be), the means justify the ends, hand-wringing, planless, clueless, public policy manipulating, poll-watching, Peter Jennings idolizing, self-congratulating, self-absorbing, oil rubbing (just a ittle lower now - oh, yeah where was I?), mom and apple pie hating misanthropes!!) Hey, this personal insulting stuff is fun!!!! Now I'm just like 50% of the nameless personnas who lurk our hallways (except I forgot to use a plethora of expletives)!!...well, that's my 30 sec experiment in New Liberalism - I'm going back to the other side now!
Name: Clas
The Whiskey On The Rocks Is Surely Past
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 09:11:17
Comments:
Heeey now... öh.
Ähh?
What the hell.
Wait a second.
Name: mitch
S D Merchandice
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 08:55:06
Comments:
Is there SD t- shirts on the net? how about ANY concert Video tapes. BEST BUY has video tapes of Santana in concert etc. I would think there would be a market for this stuff. Lets hope the chat room gets off the ground this evening.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...there, that oughtta cool things down..."
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 08:48:24
Comments:
Squirt guns?? Perfect! That's something I can handle!Spraying Brave, Studly and Wise with the first squirt!
Here's a steady mist of water over over all the GBers---on the liberals, the conservatives, those who hate the remastered music and those who love it, those who hate Hilary and those who want her for Prez someday.
A big squirt on St. Al's head for not fixing the links as of this morning,
Spraying high over the ocean toward Sweden to wake up Clas.
Special spray for Dr. Mu who made that wonderfully intelligent statement regarding the magic of SD. YES!
Separate cool mist for Ruby after creating a new dance step. Thanks, girlfriend, I'll put it into the KatyDanFanWorkOut!
Two gigantic squirts for Don and Walt----it must be awfully warm in the studio!
O Michael: You're awesome, without a doubt! We'll be calling!
El Supremo: Ummm...how do you feel about me wearing halter tops, honey? ILY!
Packing her gun in the holster until the heat and excitement build up again,
JustKaty JustHavingFun :)
Name: Brave, Studly and Wise
firstnotice
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 04:28:38
Comments:
Dear Sirs & Sirettes,
Please refrain from aiming that squirt gun over here.
Brave, Studly & Wise
Name: oleander
backtrackin' home
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 at 00:15:33
Comments:
St. Al--Getting file not found to everything but post. I got to archives & chat through Under the Banyan Trees. Not being able to pick one's chosen nick sucks. (Please don't read that fast five times in a row.)
Keith G--I gotcha. Wish I could help, but all I was doing was quoting the liner notes. I know nothing about any of those people.
Name: oleander
no-fly zone
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 23:42:15
Comments:
Geena--mazel tov, mama! E me for some Russian kid stories. The pool is ON until The New One is in our respective hot little hands.
OMIO--Dammit, that was ME! I mean, I! Forgot to take your ginkgo again, eh?
Herm--Send me your cave address, and I'll send you a light box. That should take care of that depression. It can also double as a strobe for those wild cave parties.
BigFan--I'll believe the release date when I see it on the Official Page. Maybe.
Stevev--Huh? I think you'd better refer all numerology questions to Benny. Not my specialty. While you're over there, keep your eyes peeled for the Japanese import version of 11TOW. I think you'll have some takers here.
joKer--There had better be some photos of you & St. Al in your respective fezes.
LC--It doesn't mean "mountain lake." It could mean "high watchtower," or "high purpose."
RS--Sorry, I didn't communicate with anyone from hostile high schools. Were those the ones with the little belt in the back?
Anthony--Back off the fezo. What you're doing is engaging in an ad hominem attack, the last refuge of someone who can't defend his own position. And I think your position, especially on "liberal" and "conservative" morals, is a large load of rotting entrails. That conservatives differ from liberals by having a moral stance isn't just incomprehensible, it's farcical.
Mu--Interesting methodology, saying those bullshit comments are "based on generally tendencies observed" and that list of vague and jive sources. I think you're just fluffing that pillow to your own shape. Your comments also imply that you're tarring everyone left of Orrin Hatch with the same brush unless they can play hoops and win a Rhodes. I know your views are more interesting than that. All you're doing is encouraging more crap like Anthony's. The answer isn't in the middle, either; that tends to be a wallow of indecision and ambivalence.
Alta--How nice to see another sufferer of CRS (compulsive response syndrome). Baz Luhrmann directed "Romeo + Juliet," the recent version with Claire Danes & Leo DiCaprio. He also recorded a spoken-word, kind of fin-de-siecle homily which is getting a lot of airplay. Hey listen, the last thing we need around here is someone productive.
Keith--How I wish I knew what you're talking about. I tried to access the Nov. archives but can't get in to see what I'm supposed to have said. Will keep trying.
Stranger--way to nutshell.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 23:24:10
Comments:
Geena - I've had the same experience when I've tried to visit the chatroom; is it only open at the posted times? I'll try to sign on tomorrow night and see what happens. And I have heeded Big Daddy's advice and started kicking some ass. Thanks.
Dr. Wu - I agree with you; this is music that does seem to have something special about it, I think they have come pretty close to perfection and that is quite hard to accomplish.
Liberty - Regarding president's wives, consider that after Woodrow Wilson had his stroke, he was severely incapacitated and his wife took over his job responsibilities for a time and essentially ran the country. Also, it has long been expected that a wife would have some influence over a husband in office; there has been a long tradition of wives taking over a political office held by a husband who had died, presumably because they knew a great deal about what their husband had done. The first women in congress took their seats by this method, and the practice still continues, as Mary Bono has demonstrated.
Michael P. - What is wrong with Donald? Is he alright? Did I miss something? I know he's primarily a composer, but I love his singing; now I'm getting worried.
Mayor Rudy - I had wondered about Hilary running in New York also, since she doesn't live there, but apparently there's a long tradition of people from other states running as representatives from New York, the best known being Ted Kennedy (not one of my favorite politicians, I'm just using him as an example).
la la - There are plenty of videos of consensual lesbian S&M, but try to find one from a woman film maker, since men tend to have some not-so-accurate ideas of what women do together. By the way, last week I went to a screening of a new video about Lesbian Avengers, a group I recently joined, and found out that the group's official film maker is a man, Eddie Becker (no relation to Walter, I'm sure!). But he works closely with the group and knows how they want to be protrayed in the films. Of course, men can make good films about lesbians, I remember the one by John Sayers, but the more sexually-oriented ones by men tend to be pretty inaccurate.
Mayor Rudy - You seem to have read the same material about Eleanor that I have read. She was quite effective as first lady, and much beloved by the American people. Have posters been harsh toward me? There've been some unpleasant posts directed my way, but that seems to happen to others as well. I suppose that's just the way things are around here. But I'm sure that Hilary is far better at dealing with negativity than I am.
Benny Factor - Good analysis. For what it's worth, November 22 is also St. Cecelia's day; she's the patron saint of music.
Anthony - Regarding core values of liberals, I probably can't offer much here since I'm not much of a political theorist. I realize that I'm being intellectually lazy here and I must apologize for that. My main impetus in my political thought and action has been personal experience, which I realize backs up what has been said about the center of liberal thought being one's own experience. There are people who have come up with a philosophical and political rationale for liberal thought, but I can't quickly sum up what they have written. My rationale and core basis for my political beliefs is that people all should be able to have what they need to live a decent life, but for a variety of reasons, not everyone can, so sometimes the government should step in and kind of provide a level playing field for everyone so that marginalized people don't fall by the wayside and either starve or turn to crime to support themselves. There's more to it; I'd also like to see a just society where everyone has access to a good and practical education that will enable them to find a well-paying job. This a little puny in the intellectual department, I realize, but there are people who have done a much better job of articulating all this.
Name: Where's a drone when you need one?
Hey St. Al.
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 22:55:38
Comments:
File Not Found
The requested URL /chat.html was not found on this server.
Name: Toothless Joe
with a banjo
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 22:45:06
Comments:
The...uuhhh, huuhh huuhh... tuff part about that dang there eletrik fence is when it's b'tween you and the sheep! Yeeehaaah!!
Name: Geena
Planet Boredom
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 21:30:45
Comments:
CHATROOM QUESTION: Where is it? I tried for 2 days to get in and I keep getting this "file not found" message. St.Al, are you messing with us?
Roy.Scamola: I dare not ask how you know, but an electric fence is a great idea and I should have thought of it a long time ago, but I am hopefully moving this year, so the other residents of this home can worry about it.
Name: Dr.Wu
flail@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 20:39:23
Comments:
I always thought that there was something really magical in this music. Sitting alone letting the music, the vibe take me into unconscience uphoria. There has been no two song writers, no musical entity that has ever or will ever come this close to this perfection.
Name: Mayor Rudy
Biggest Apple
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 20:29:34
Comments:
Liberty:: You are definitely a woman . I can just see Nixon asking Pat " Should i bomb Cambodia? " or JFK to Jackie should i challenge Kruschuv in The Cuba Missle Crisis?" give me a break will ya. First ladys are wifes not co-presidents.
Name: Rubybaby
where is my john w@yne?
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 20:14:18
Comments:
Mr. Anthony: You old dog, you! I couldn't possibly work in a halter & my Daisy Dukes! I can only wear those around the homestead. My old man is firm about that. As a matter of fact, the longer I wear 'em, the firmer he gets.
Dr. Mu: As you've probably guessed, I'm in the middle of a major hormone surge. What's a damsel to do?
fezo: OK, I won't chase you down. I'll just ask Lisa & Oleander. Maybe some other day...
Michael Packard: Aruba? Whatcha gonna do over there?
I can relate with your *just enjoy what we have* attitude. It's the only way to live. But a good pal of mine copied a few tapes he had of live performances, especially the '96 Philly show of SD. It really helps to have something new to me, even if it's not *new* chronologically.
Btw, those tapes are so full of energy & fun that I feel like I AM THERE! He appologized like heck for the quality, but it's the best bootleg quality I've ever heard of anything! He aced it!! My heart beats faster and tingles run up&down my spine when I play those tapes. I think I invented a new dance step, too. If this guy ever needs a *going to a concert partner*, count me in!mW: read above
love,
rb
Name: Liberty
NY, NY
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 19:50:02
Comments:
Rudy,First off, you addressed me as Liberty Belle and called me a Feminazi, what makes you think I'm a woman? There you go making assumptions again. And please don't associate me with Nazi's, that was in extremely poor taste.
Then you say Hillary doesn't have the insight to the issues facing New Yorkers. What do you care? You're from PA!
No, no one did elect her to office, but past presidents have been influenced at least a little bit by their wives, mistressess, lovers, etc. Hillary's only drawback which shouldn't be a drawback at all is that she is a very powerful woman, something that a lot of men in political office are afraid of, and something that no other President's wife dared to do. They were expected to sit in the background and do what women have been told for years to do, shut up so their husbands can fuck up the country.
And if a persons sexual preference is not an issue for you, then why bring up Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary's rumored sexuality?
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 19:02:47
Comments:
The DTS 5.1 Gaucho is awesome - one of 2 best Gaucho prssings I've heard personally.
I would love to see Countdown on DTS !
Q
Name: Michael C. Packard
mcpio@inu.net
Location: Hot Damn Day in the Pineywoods Forest of Deep East TexAss!!,
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 17:00:35
Comments:
Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!
Well, bought the remaster of the remaster of the "Pretzel Logic" CD this afternoon. Yes, I agree with the "Original Lester", where the Hell is the first 25 seconds of "Rikki"??
As we all know, Walter and Donald have no control over "when" their music will be released, example is the snafu's of singles which were released from their albums. Geez, gimme-a-break!
It IS and will always be the record studio music biz moguls which only are concerned about the "bottom line", as to when (if ever) The New One is ever released.
After all, we have waited 19 damn years since "Gaucho", exception is "Alive In America" and some of the "boots" which have a few new Walt and Don selections.
"If" Don is truly ill, which I definitely hope is not the case---hopefully, he can recover even if we don't hear another one of his fantastic vocals. I will enjoy what I already have.
Nonetheless, most of us sometimes forget that Walt & Don are composers of music, and are therefore most concerned with 'how' their compositions sound.
Smile and be happy with what we have so far (great memories for me) Yes, I am as anxious as the rest of you are . . .but the remasters will pacify me for awhile.
Saludos!
Michael
; )El Supremo and JustKatyDanFan ----keep in touch, as I have the trip to Aruba lined up!
Name: DrMu
what sea serpent is November in the Dan calender?
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 14:14:39
Comments:
11/22=1/22
Name: Rudy
Giuliani
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 13:32:05
Comments:
Before Hillary can run in New York, she has to find an apartment co-op board who will let her buy an apartment. She's already been rejected three times. They say it is for finacial reasons, but the truth is her prospective neighbors don't want her accused rapist husband in their building.
Name: DrMu
a piaster a day
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 11:15:34
Comments:
Stephen V: The re- re- masters of Royal Scam, Aja, and Goucho are due out on 6/15. Since The Nightfly is DDD, the slate is then wide open. If you save only one thin dime a day, you'll have the legal tender to purchase TNO by 1/22 or whatever.
Scamster: A line from a song?! Hmmm... How about a contest to guess the context?
I'll start:
"We took what we'd won
to Forster & Son;
who spoke their taxidermist nomenclature,
It's Two Against Nature"Okay, so at least it rhymes!!!
Name: Mayor Rudy
response to Liberty Belle
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 10:13:01
Comments:
Dear Liberty: In response to your charges, Yes it matters what state she runs in, because she doesn1t live there, she doesn`t have the insight to the issues facing New Yorkers. I sense that You feel her pain, and that is fine. The issue her is nobody elected her to any office and she should have zero imput to appointments in the cabinet.You are right about him being indecisive. I did not post to address anyones sexuality, It has no bearing on running for public office. I am not afraid of women seeking power, I supported Susan Molinari in her Congressional bid. It seems that when a women is challenged critics such as yourself come out of the woodwork and cry foul. This is a tough business, If you and other Feminazis can`t take the heat stay the fuck out of the kitchen
Name: SanDiegoDanFan
jforrest@home.com
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 08:19:16
Comments:
With all the talk about the remastered albums I can't believe nobody has mentioned the new DTS release of Gaucho. It is the absolute SHIT!!! for those of you who don't know what DTS is, it is new technology where the music is recorded in 6 different channels as opposed to 2 channels for usual stereo recordings. Anyone with a DVD player with DTS technology should definately but this! It is designed for use with home theatre systems and each of the 5 wall speakers, as well as the subwoofer have it's own channel of music. Glamour Profession is outrageous! There are different percusion sounds coming out of each of the rear speakers while a sax is coming out of the front left, guitar out of the center speaker, etc... Talk about a whole new listening experience!! There are only about 100 titles that have been released in DTS, mostly classical. I was more than estatic to see SD in there. Anyways, has anyone else heard it? Let me know what you think.
Name: Liberty
New York, New York
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 08:16:38
Comments:
Mayor Rudy,
I am also not the least surprised in your response to Altamira regarding Hillary.
Why New York? Why not? How about PA where you live? Does it matter where she runs and so what if she is power hungry? All the men in political office are power hungry too, or they wouldn't be there. And if she did pressure her husband into making political decisions, it only shows his weakness and inability to make serious decisions, after all he's been embarrasing her and their daughter in public for years, so in essence, someone has to be the stronger power in that family. She has as much right as anyone else (including your impersonating poster name) to run for anything. I see strong women make you ill at ease.
You're right in that she did not sleep with FDR, but you didn't sleep with her either and therefore your assumptions based on rumor.
And since you've brought up sexual preferences here, may I ask how that affects running an office, country, state, etc.? Did you bring that up because the person you directed your message to is an out lesbian on this guestbook? To me she shows honesty, pride and integrity, while you display homophobia. You shallow, bigoted, small town-small minded ways are showing.
Please go bury your head deep into the soil of Podunk, PA and come out when you've seen the other side of the world, by then you should have a different perspective on life.
Name: fezo
improudtobeanamerican
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 07:04:39
Comments:
Anthony: "incomprendable" is French. it means "what the hell is this clueless Yankee trying to say"
Dr Mu: What liberal utopia do you live in? Up here the school boards are scared of guidance counselors and see ACLU plots behind every field trip.
Ruby: ask Lisa and Ole
Name: Ralph Reed
Republican Strategist
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:54:56
Comments:
Our " Think Tanks " tell us that the battle for New York state will be fought in Upstate. The Mayor will have to convince the people there that he can do for the State what he has done in the City. She will get the liberal vote and the sympathetic female vote. This will be a gender race. Our thinking is that the Reagan Democrats ( MEN ) will make a difference to offset the Black vote which will be 95% Hilary. Close race,lots of money will be poured into this race which the Clinton`s see as a chance to keep their troubled legacy alive.
Name: F Y I
The New One
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:37:17
Comments:
This speculation about the release time is going to end. These men are not idiots, they are shrewed businessmen. The best time to release an eagerly awaited tape is at the beginning of the CHRISTMAS season , and thats it in a nutshell. I will suck a nine inch dick (note writer is not gay and does not have gay fantasys) if the New One is not released then. Forget about it.
Name: la la
land
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:27:48
Comments:
hey. anyone gots video of the consensual lesbian s&m!!!!
la
Name: la la
land
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:23:29
Comments:
man, I ate a junior's once and I was sick as a dog for two day! It was coming out of every orifice.
Anyone making less than $100,000 (at the very least) and locksteps with the republicans is being duped. They have a master plan and it don't include the rest of us.
what about "The Horses" - I love that song. How about a version by walter as a bonus cut on the single when the CD comes out in 2012.
la
Name: Mayor Rudy
Tammany Hall
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:20:47
Comments:
ALTA: I am not the least bit surprised for your support of Hilary. My question is why New York? The last time i checked they were former residents of Arkansas, btw the only state that Oklahoma can make fun of. This woman is power hungry and without a doubt pressured her husband into selecting some ridiculous people in Clinton`s cabinet. She too was responsible for the crushing defeat on Health care. The Eleanor Roosevelt comparison is interesting as well, while it is only rumored about Hilary`s sexuality, Eleanor`s is a given. She did not sleep with F.D.R. (Lucy Rutherford) was his chic on the side and she knew of the romance. Eleanor then switched to a in office female Secretary I have helped bring N.Y back to its title as the Greatest city in the world and i can`t wait for her to challenge me. I will be as brutal on her as these posters have been on you .
Name: Stephen V.
@double helix in the sky
Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 at 06:13:27
Comments:
The 'Ashtanga' guru Becker would definitely be one to coordinate a release date so auspiciously.....but then again...by November all of the new (re-re-mastered) releases of the old shit will be out and lotsa money spent!
stuff to blabber about: what (besides Dan Steele) are you clowns listening to:
I have been grooving on 'Dead Bees on a Cake' by David Syvlian...(Virgin US)....great esoteric pop....also found a copy of The Lost Tribe......cool Stanley Clarke-ish jazz....and of course Bird's Best Bop on Verve w/liner notes by Phil (Dr. Wu) Woods!....on repeated listens I have concluded that Steely Dan are the 'Charlie Parker' of their day....only Bird recorded (AND RELEASED) much more timely!
Ciao
Name: Benny Factor
the whole shack shimmys
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 22:21:38
Comments:
Since the impetus for the title "Two Against Nature" won't die a graceful death I am compelled to engage my formidable ganglia in the matter.
One of my dear friends offered the release date of 11/22 for TNO a week or so before the official site mentioned a November release date. He has to be on to something and this is it:
11/22 marks the date where the sun moves from Scorpio into Sagittarius. These two signs are the only ones which oppose one another. The serpent of Scorpio is classically depicted as slithering out of its own sign and wrapping around the leg of the Centaur, Sagittarius, who has drawn his arrow to vanquish it. Oddly enough, every 18 or so years the wobble of the earth's orbit actually opens a tiny fracture between these two signs which has been called Ophecheus, or the 13th constellation. My guess is that Geena is right and Don and Walt actually are aliens who are toying with us in their own cryptic language. Mark your calendar. If the boys are true perfectionists they will not deviate from this date.
Trying Not to Eat at Juniors,
Benny
Name: Anthony
@his.bar.and.grill
USA Baby!!!
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 21:47:45
Comments:
Callin' 'em like I see 'em!
Fezo: It's comprehensible, you nin-com-poop. Did you spend one minute thinking about my "incomprendable" statement? How much education do you have? That explains things. You're burdened by excessive structured learning. You're playing with a handicap. Time for de-tox, Mister!
Dr.Mu: Thanks for the assist. You're along the right vein of my point. The man in the mirror never looks like what the rest of the world sees. (I'm sure some other lazy chap won't give this sentence enough thought and abandon it as incomprehensible.)
ALT(ernate lifestyle)imira: I'm very interested in your statement about the core values of Liberals. I'm even more interested to read the rationale and basis for those core values.
Stranger: yeah, I've done all of the seven things you listed. And so has every conservative. Another myopic weenie, just what this page needs.
RubyBaby: Tsk,tsk. You can help tend bar, and you can be liberal (with the refills) as long as you got that halter top with the very short cutoff jean shorts and platform shoes thing going!
Anthony
PS- Two against nature, give me a break. But I guess with a group of two guys and a name like Steely Dan, maybe it fits.
Name: Roy.Scam
dancing.about.architecture
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 20:53:28
Comments:
Geena: An electric fence will go a long way to discourage those unwanted urinators. Once that ground-to-organ circuit is closed, they experience very strong negative reinforcement. Please don't ask me how I know this.
Doc Mu: Some of my favorite artists have named albums after a phrase in on of the songs, to wit: 'Under the Table and Dreaming', 'Whatever and Ever Amen' and 'Katy Lied' (sort of). Perhaps "Two Against Nature" is a lyric hidden in one of the new songs. My guess is that it's not about resisting nature; some of you older pop culture freaks will remember that it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.
Note to self: Next time I bomb someone I will try to check to make sure that they are the enemy, or at least countrymen of the enemy.
Second note to self: If you're not sure who you're killing, stop and ask directions.
There's a horn break in the new Ben Folds Five song "Don't Change Your Plans for Me" that is pure mid-60s Burt Bacharach. If the new one is as good as the middle of that song, I won't be too disappointed.
Just when the conservatives were starting to score some points, Eye-of-Newt Gingrich steps into the light again and strikes another blow against mental health.
RS
Name: Geena
Still waiting for 2 new ones
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 19:41:48
Comments:
Stranger: Not only will I save a child from eating Russian food, she will never stand in line for bathroom tissue either, unless she's in line with me at Costco. We have also carefully thought out her name....no Slob o' Danielle in my house, it will be Mariele Domenique, a combination of all of her grandparents names, deceased and living, so no one throws the guilt stuff on me.
Altamira: Sometimes when you post here, it may take a while before you see it on the Guestbook. Heed Bigger Daddy's advice and start kicking some major ass.
Clas: Thank you
Ruby: Two Against Nature could mean that D&W are the aliens we always thought they were, thereby being unnatural life forms and most likely not bio-degradable.
My new word for the day is "yo, yo", such as in "yo yo listen up" or "yo yo whatcha doin' tonight?" An expression used consistently in a conversation overheard in front of my house last Sunday at 7:30AM between 3 juvenile deliquents toting open beer cans. While one of them proceeded to relieve himself on my front lawn, The reliever looked up at the house and asked my cat who happened to be looking out the window in typical feline fashion at these three morons, if he liked his weenie. The cat just stared back with the "you're an idiot" gaze in his face, "at least we don't leave evidence".And you thought yellow grass patches were caused by dogs and cats!
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: My own opinionated patch of ground,
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 19:30:31
Comments:
PONTIFICATION WARNING: For those who have accused me of pontificating, I will be expressing my own opinions here on politics and morality. If you don't think you'll like it, don't read it. If you read it anyway and don't like it, you were forewarned. To paraphrase a song lyric, I'll write what I want to write. SYRUP WARNING: For those who have accused me of being syrupy, I will be mentioning some personal beliefs. You have been forewarned.
Chatroom chatter - I'm not quite sure what the deal is on the chat room; I tried to log in once and it crashed my internet connection. I'm going to wait until the scheduled Sunday evening chat time.
Dr. Mu - That person you mention sounds truly terrifying. I hope this person doesn't show up in my neighborhood, if she/he does, I'll have to sic my cats on him/her. There's a lot of threatening nastiness going down these days; the world is still a rough place.
Regarding Katy Lied - I hope the remastering helps. I really like that album, but it still sounds kind of rough on the box set. I've read of the technical problems involved in the recording of it, and I hope the remastering can correct some of that.
Regarding River Sound - I didn't know about Fagen booting out Katz. Interesting. Unfortunately, I have no information on the Katz coup; I wish I did.
Mista whatever - Arimatla, I like that - I might use it for the name of my next cat. But not until I move into a house - five cats is enough for an efficiency apartment (and I did not set out to acquire five cats; they were all abandoned by their former human companions and found their way to me when they needed a home).
Ruby Baby - I'm unhappy with NOW myself. They recently published a denouncement of consensual S&M among lesbians, which shows not only their lack of understanding of the true nature of S&M but also their willingness to capitulate to whatever the percieved "general public" wants them to be. Definitely not the kind of group I'd want to support.
Regarding Two Against Nature - I find your suggestion intriguing. I thought it might be related to opposition to the supposed "natural law" that is so often invoked to control and oppose certain things, but that might just be my liberal way of thinking. I don't think they're referring to the classic "man versus nature" dichotomy since they seem to be too fond of natural things for that.
Mayor Rudy - Thanks for the encouragement. I've been planning all along to stay the course, but I no longer intend to capitulate to the people who don't like what I write. This is an open forum, and I will use it to express my own opinions. Some people may agree with me, some may not; that's life. But I won't let anyone shut me up or control what I write. This list will be far more interesting if we all freely express ourelves. And you're right; I can see where it would mostly be women who are intimidated by unfriendly list members - that tends to be the way it goes for us in society. I do like Hilary, though, I see her as the new Eleanor Roosevelt. If I lived in New York, I'd vote for her as Representative, if she decides to run.
Freakin' P'rican - Much as I admire cave art, which is quite lovely and rather reminiscent of certain types of modern art, I don't have any cave artists living with me, alas. And the artists might have been women - society was still matriarchal back then, and since the cave paintings are thought to have had religious significance, it would stand to reason that they would have been painted by the leaders of society, who would have been women. So maybe, while the men were out hunting the animals, the women religious leaders were in the caves painting the images that would ensure a successful hunt. Just a thought.
I like your little poem about the Chrysler - maybe you could set it to music!
Dr. Mu, Stranger, Fezo, Ruby Baby, Anthony, et al - Liberals and conservatives can number both good and bad people within their camps. There are an awful lot of people out there who subsume their values, if they have any, to personal gain. It's pretty depressing when you think about it. But history shows that this has pretty much always been the case, and yet we still manage to muddle on. There are people of good will in every political group; I just hope their ideas win out over the others. But in any society, there are always going to be groups of people with conflicting interests, and no one political system will ever provide a perfect life for anyone. Liberals actually do have some core values, but I don't have the mental energy to clarify them right now. As for me, I became a liberal because I feel that many members of this society, such as the poor, minorities, women, the disabled, gay and lesbian folk, the elderly, and children, tend to not fare so well under free-market capitalism, and so I think the government needs to step in and provide decent treatment for everyone. Of course, there is no practical way this can really be done, but I keep hoping that we can kind of lurch in the right direction, and so I belong to two political action groups that kind of nudge things along in what I think is the right direction. But certainly there are many flawed liberals and the goal I work for will never be achieved. I just do what I can; what more can a person do?
Bigger Daddy - Thanks for the advice. I will still try to adhere to the conventions of the list, but I will not censor what I write for the benefit of anyone. I will definitely be kicking some ass, and enjoying it. Best of luck on the seven-day waiting period, I'm sure the result will be well worth the wait!
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...target practice..."
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 18:48:09
Comments:
Mayor Rudy: I loved your post! Now you tell me!! I was supposed to bring a gun in here? Gee, would JustKaty ever JustShoot someone in here? That sure doesn't sound like me....hmmm.....anyway, I've truly been busy and not intimidated, but I did notice not only some women, but also some of the guys not posting as much as they used to, for whatever reason. I miss the "regulars" who haven't been as regular lately.
Altamira: Mayor's right, just be yourself. For every one you please, there'll be one who may not like your style on any given day. You got them going with the liberals and conservatives; there'll be a debate now until the next controversial statement is made. That's the way we live in here. Just make yourself at home, you'll learn something and hopefully others will learn from you. I have! (Tip: Don't believe "Q"---he's not in the Florida Room either---it's DAVID who's in the Florida Room.)
O Michael: Isn't that "sorta kinda?" Imho, the remastered Gaucho and The Nightfly CD's, both gifts to me, are wonderful and definitely worth having!
Clas: You like my name, why, thank you, sir! I think that means you love me, but I'm not sure!
Geena: Any word on the arrival of your little one?
Stranger: You got it on the front row seats at the Dan concert, my friend! I'll have El Supremo and O Michael with me, hope that's ok? *grin*
El Supremo: Missed the day in here, but, Happy Happy Birthday, Husband! ILY!
JustKaty :)
...dancing to IGY...
Name: Mitch
RD 1
Location: Mt. Belzoni,
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 17:56:47
Comments:
Ruby Ruby: no darling is was not I that took that name, I didn`t know that room was in use. I will use Belzonian since i live in Mt. Belzoni and listen to WJAZ, with "JAZZ and CONVERSATION" from the foot of Mt. Belzoni. ruby ruby when will you be mine!!!!
Name: DrMu
polypropylene spoon in my mouth
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 17:50:32
Comments:
Mitch: ...now you're getting it. The middle, not the muddle, is the key. Front runners Al Gore and George W. are starting to slip from muddled campaigns designed not to lose where they say little of true substance and stick to non-answers in order to sound moderate or prosletize trivialities with their patronizing platitudes. I'm pimping for Bradley and/or McCain, the true middlemen of America.
...on the re- re masters. For me as in the recording sessions, it's the pursuit of perfection. Digital editing (the re and re re- masters have the ADD SPAR desgination) has come a long way. For under $1000 now one can buy non-linear editing for digital video recordings (soon to be the industry standard). With a profession level DC (digital video camera) you can set up a professional-looking television studio for less than 5 grand. My point is that technology has come a long way...and CBAT and CTE are *definitely* an aural upgrade (the cymbals and organ are conspicously clear on CTE)...a long way since '85 when the inferior sounding MCA CDs came out - what a muddled mess! Looking forward immensely to hearing a rejuvinated Katy Lied this week.stranger: Beware. This semi-automatic weapon clip strapping, homosexual hating, NRA card-carrying, bank executive hour keeping, pork bellies future investing, gun show babe breast-squeezing, gynecologist garroting, hood hanging, CEO wannabe could be driving up your street in a tank soon. Hide you women and children...better yet - sell us you women and children!
Ruby: the dark side of the force is strong... You must resist!
Name: chatroom chatter
Danopolis, USA
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 17:44:27
Comments:
IS the chatroom open 24 hours? do you have to be a rocket scientist and have java to enter? will someone please explain the procedures and the time issue, this is a great thought, but if its only open a few hours one day a week then i don`t think it will fly.
Name: RubyBaby
oooooooohhh, mi@mi
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 17:33:14
Comments:
Could the Two Against Nature title have something to do with the personality differences between DF and WB? Just a thought.
Mitch: when I registered my new nickname for the new chatroom, I wanted Greenflower, but it was taken. Was it you? I did get something else from Then Nightfly, though.
Dr.Mu: I hate NOW. They certainly don't represent the real Ws. I think they need a make-over, in more ways than one.
Anthony: Since the economy is on the decline (thanks bubba et al) I may decide to moonlight. Could you use hand tending bar? But don't expect me to be conservative when it comes to refills. One-half inch of foam is the max on drafts, ok?
fezo: Do you have any idea how attractive you are when you're in the middle of a counter-point? I have a wild desire to see what's beneath that cool exterior. You know what they say about *opposites*.
rb
Name: Mayor Rudy
its called leadership
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 17:09:12
Comments:
ALTA-WHATEVER. You are a welcome breath of fresh air. There are times here that you will be challenged and your opinions blasted. You must show conviction or you will be shit on , like some other female posters, that became intimidated and rarely post. Stay the course and just like my fine men in blue, empty your fuckin clip and fire 40 times, if thats what it takes to get the job done. Welcome aboard, Anxiously awaiting to bitch slap Hilary ,The Honorable Rudolf J.
Name: Mitch
Green Flower St.
Location: Mt. Belzoni,
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 16:51:47
Comments:
Fezo and Dr.Mu this labeling is nonsense the truth lies in the middle. I WOULDN`T pay one fuckin Piastro for new packaged ,old material,even if the liner notes are interesting. Tell the boys to get on with it and release Two Against Nature,instead of milking the cow dry.
Name: Freakin' P'rican
Roll'um easy
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 15:23:17
Comments:
Stranger: Sounds great. What' ya say we add a spiffy kind of salute with that.Alt: Do you live with the caveman dude on this board?
Clas: Did you eat the brownies in Cinn? Lowell, he's my main-main, main.
I got me a chrysler it's as big as a whale, it's about to set sail,
funky-little shack, funky little shack.
folks linen' up outside just to get down.
Name: TheStranger
conservative credo
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 14:37:01
Comments:
anthony, dr. mu, ruby baby & all my conservative friends,
yes, conservatives do have fixed moral standards, which are the following:
1. make sure all maniacs and ex-cons can buy machine guns from nazis sitting at gun show card tables.
2. make sure your candidates can accept unlimited cash from fatcat fatasses so they can saturate the airwaves with bullshit 30-second attack commercials.
3. call these purchases of political office free speech.
4. threaten gynecologists and women with jail if they participate in abortions.
5. when the threatened woman has the unwanted kid, starve the kid.
6. if he grows up anyway, sell him a gun (see number one).
7. execute him.
Name: DrMu
not your decoder ring
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 09:41:54
Comments:
fezo: I believe what Anthony means by "liberals have no set of values that are tied to any moral standard except the momentary view of the individual" goes back to the "new liberal" (post-Tip O'Neill; Chris Matthews who worked for O'Neill is an example of an old -style liberal) notion that "everything is relative. Ther ARE NO [to paraphrase] "truths that are self-evident." Here's how the new liberal philosophy appears to be laid out: Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong. It's your self -intentions that are important, not the results. In the process, the strategy is to demonize your opponents whether they be conservatives or whatever rather than tackle them with logic. Stand by today's polls, not your principles. When that doesn't work, make you principles, objectives, and goals broad and nebulous enough that eveybody gets a warm fuzzy. In the New Liberal Utopia the only type of police would be "thought and hate crime police" at least when the crime and mayhem is in other people's neighborhoods, unless it's a heart-wrenching news story where one is obligated to be "outraged." Going to church is a nice neighborhood looks good, but standing by religious principles in abhorant to the "new liberal." These sound like blanket statements, but is based on generally tendencies observed, and more importantly, verbage which has been uttered or written by liberal columnists, NOW, Colleges of Education, School Boards, etc.
I'd like to believe the following will happen, but then I'd like to believe the new one will be out this year. I may have mentioned this, but clearly there are 2 men (or women) of highest principle who a running for presidential nomination: Bill Bradley and John McCain. It would be nice if the Democrats and Rpublicans got their act together for a change...dream on.
Name: fezo
screwthefifth
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 06:11:30
Comments:
Anthony: Your savage scolding had me ready to race up to DC to appear before HUAC to confess my left wing ways and start naming names. Then hope against hope I hadn't screwed up my chance for an honorary Oscar years down the road.But then I came across "liberals have no set of values that are tied to any moral standard except the momentary view of the individual" Huh? My statement was ridiculous? At least it was comprehendable
Ruby: It doesn't pay to chase ambulances anymore, at least in Virginia. Those kind hearted conservatives with life-defining moral standards guiding their every move (am I on the right track now, Anthony?) capped malpractice awards ten years ago after a slew of generous campaign contributions from similarly morally-guided insurance and physician groups.
Name: mista whatever
mista point
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 05:58:37
Comments:
GK John:
1) hope i didn't offend with the World Series question i didn't mean to be rude. what really gets me is the 'Hall of Fame' thing.. and all those awards...you should be proud of your youth instead of trying to manufacture a 'vintage'.
2) wine consumption has overtaken that of the amber fluid in australia. nobody i know drinks Fosters- we just export that stuff
3) everything you've been told is true - its scary how pervasive aussie culture is.GK Richard: the GST is dead! or is it?
altimira : did you realise that your name spelt backwards is arimitla ?
Name: Bigger Daddy
tacking towards sandler
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 at 00:31:35
Comments:
Alta: Welcome to the show.. Don't waste your time trying to fit in here. Kick a little ass and you'll get some respect.
Sweating Through the Seven Day Waiting Period,
Bd
Name: DrMu
...my dreams, they pivot and slip
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 22:29:31
Comments:
Altamira: Gary Katz and Donald Fagen owned a studio in New York City called River Sound until 1997, where a number of recording artists rented time and space. Fagen then booted Katz out. From the outside, there appeared to be a bit of acrimony. Perhaps, there was a dispute about recording schedules for the new one? Maybe someone has more details...anyway, I don't think Katz would have been involved in "Two Against Nature" anyway as Becker produced Kamakiriad and Fagen co-produced 11-TOW and they'd have to change the title to "Two-and-a-half Against Nature" or "Steely Dan - Nature's Laxative" or something. Any more information about the Katz coup?
Clinton should give up on Slobber Dan and get back to the economy stupid. It's a whole "old" ball-game, and he's way out of his league. The point is with Robert Rubin quitting and as Ross "I'm all ears" Perot might say "too much money many chasin' too few stocks" as day-traders are playing ping-pong between AOL and IBM, we have too watch out for am economic undertow. How's Greenspan's cholesterol profile?
Name: Anthony
@his.bar.and.grill
USA Baby
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 22:06:59
Comments:
Better red than dead?Well Fezo, around the bar there's one thing I've learned, statements like that are ridiculous. After a couple decades of being red you'd wish you were dead. Get out your binoculars you short sighted weenie.
As far as that long running debate between conservative and liberal, it's a lot like the difference between adjustable and fixed rate mortgages. Conservatives have a set of values that are tied to a moral standard, even if the individual often misapplies that moral standard, while liberals have no set of values that are tied to any moral standard except the momentary view of the individual. I find that those with a fixed moral standard are more consistent while those with a moral standard that's internally generated will have self-serving interests that only their bartender can see.
Amazing what people will tell you after two beers...looking for the CD changer remote...time to play a little Gaucho amigo.
Anthony
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 21:14:41
Comments:
Michael - Hey, good to hear from you. The name comes from Caves of Altamira, but I found it appropriate because the first three letters are my initials. I do bring a new perspective to the group, but I am reading the other posts carefully and trying to tailor what I write to fit in. It's taking a while, but I am working on it.The remastered discs are providing SD with some money while they perfect the next one - sure, they've been working on it for two years, but they do want to take enough time to get it right.
Ruby Baby - No, of course I don't just talk to liberals; I like to hear viewpoints from people at all points of the political spectrum. I was just letting Expanding Man know that I wouldn't be bothering him if I find him in the chat room, that's all. I know plenty of intolerant liberals and they get on my nerves as much as any other intolerant people. I would certainly enjoy conversing with you also, and I agree that life would be boring if we were all the same.
Q - Damn, was I pontificating? How is what I write different from what anyone else writes? Aren't we free to express opinions here? Ok, I'll try to avoid whatever it was that you didn't like. I only mentioned the Florida room because I was listening to Kamakiriad; as you can see, I've gone back to stating that I'm in DC. It's just that it gets kind of dull always being in my home town, and I like at least mentally being in a different place sometimes.
Dr. Mu - So Gary Katz isn't working on this one? Yes, with two perfectionists who may believe they have all the time in the world, I can see where they might be dragging their heels a bit, tweaking things and making sure that all is as it should be while they might pick up the pace a bit with someone else producing, but maybe the extra time will allow them to produce something that is exactly what they want. Hey, we've been waiting 19 years already, what's a few more months? (If I'm pontificating again, I'm sorry, but I would like to be able to express my opinions like other people on the list, or do I have to do something to earn that right?)
te 1 etubbie - Welcome! Which one are you? I like Po, she's cool with that motor scooter, but they're all fun. It sounds like you have a long history as a Dan fan.
Loose Change - I'm sorry; I just happen to know people connected with various things because I've lived in the same place my entire life and have been involved in a lot of groups; I mention these people because they're relevant to different topics brought up on the list; other list members mention people they know, but if you don't like it, I won't do it anymore. By the way, the woman I know who was working with Madeleine Albright is being reassigned to Senegal for three years, so she may not be able to help with the present situation. I didn't realize that "Altamira" meant "mountain lake," I recognized the "alta" part but didn't know what "mira" meant. Thanks.
Name: RubyBaby
fudge.fudge.call.thejudge
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 21:09:50
Comments:
fezo: How the heck do you know that Trent Lott wasn't downtown serving soup & handing out sandwiches & blankets? You know what they say about *assuming*, don't you?Another difference between a conservative and a liberal is that conservatives don't alert the press to every tiny good deed, while liberals have make-up artists on hand...
As for Jerry - well, Counsellor, you win. He's an idiot. I won't even appeal that one.
Hey, please be careful - those ambulances tend to back up suddenly!
rb
Name: Michael C. Packard
Sunny and warm in the Pineywoods forest of Deep East Texas
USA
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 16:58:43
Comments:
Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!
Well here I am again, fresh from another excursion. Really wanted to make the DanFest in New Orleans, too - duty calls!
Altamira is a SD song, I think - kinda sorta? Well, glad to see some new blood on the GB page. Thank goodness the natives aren't restless tonight.
As long as we keep "feeding" Becker and Fagen with royalties from remastered "remasters", why should they ever come out with "The New One"?
Hell, I would be laughing all the way to the bank, checking out all of us fools on the GB, smiling and showing up incognito at DanFests, and wondering why you like the music so much.
However, I "am obsolete, look at all the white men on-the-streets".
Saludos and Keep Smiling, DanGang!
Michael
; )
Name: fezo
betterredthandead
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 12:27:38
Comments:
Ruby:
"I've never encountered such a group of intolerants as the liberals of this nation"?
You got to be kidding. Last I checked Jerry Falwell or Trent Lott weren't in the soup kitchen with ladles or down at the free clinic offering hypertension counseling.
Jerry's too busy trying to rid the nation of the Gay Teletubbie scourge and Trent's trying to figure out if his new hood will clash with his white loafers
Name: RubyBaby
t@n (in my dreams!)
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:54:28
Comments:
okay, I'm beginning to warm up to the title, Two Against Nature.ALTamira: You only talk to liberals? I'm continually puzzled by the term *liberal*. Definitively, the word *liberal* means: having, expressing, or following views or policies that favor the freedom of individuals to act or express themselves in a manner of their own choosing (dictionary). Yet, I've heard liberals repeatedly use the argument, "You have no right to say that!" I've never encountered such a group of intolerants as the *liberals* of this nation. Our own dear President and First Lady said on national television that we have "no right" to criticise anything they do...
Personally, I would enjoy conversing with you, liberal or no. How boring life would be if we were all the same.
Oleander: I heard a joke that reminds me of you. I'll post it if you'd like. Just say da woid.rb
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:37:10
Comments:
Altamira, no comment on your recent pontificating, but I can tell you your not in MY FLORIDAROOM !
I thought you were firmly planted in D.C. - or is that Dade County.
I hope your friend who knows Madeline Albright can help, because we sure need it.
New Pretzel is an improvement , but not earthshattering( although Night By Night is definately more dynamic !)
Great liner notes. What do you expect for $10.99 !!Q
Ole - so Drew Zing was there(NO) or did I miss the joke ?
Name: Q
FLAROOM
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:36:44
Comments:
Altamira, no comment on your recent pontificating, but I can tell you your not in MY FLORIDAROOM !
I thought you were firmly planted in D.C. - or is that Dade County.
I hope your friend who knows Madeline Albright can help, because we sure need it.
New Prtzel is an improvement , but not earthshattering( although Night By Night is definately more dynamic !)
Great liner notes. What do you expect for $10.99 !!Q
Ole - so Drew Zing was there(NO) or did I miss the joke ?
Name: Vlad I Did
Condom Nation
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:07:45
Comments:
But I did once sit in a jacuzzi just south of the border, drinking bloody marys, lamenting my lack of foreskin.
Name: DrMu
whatever
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:06:56
Comments:
RScam: "Two Against Nature" also brings to mind the unnatural or unusual studio approach the are (in)famous for...AND the fact, that as on Kamakiriad and 11 TOW, they are producing the work themselves.
This brings up a debatable question as to whether an outside producer, like a Gary Katz, would have moved the proceedings along faster or provided valuable input and enhance the quality of the CD...or whether as the "title" suggest, Mssrs Becker and Fagen are the only two capable of realizing the vision. An outside producer might get in the way and impede progress or interfere with the final quality of the work.
Name: Vlad I MacFessor
how could this have possibly happened?
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 11:01:38
Comments:
camping out! sounds like FUN!
I never even heard about that concert. WOW.
Name: te1etubbie
te1etubbie@webtv.net
Location: Baltimore, Md United States of America
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 10:32:23
Comments:
Hello everybody! I'm new to this site, but I am extremly glad that I found it! I have been a huge Steely Dan fan for years, but since he is a bit before my time, I never really have had any friends that shared this passion with me. You see, I was raised on SD. When I was a little girl, my father used to sing their songs to me at bedtime to put me asleep. I've been hooked ever since. Back in '98 I camped out for SD concert tickets for a Father's Day presant for my dad (it was quite a presant for me too!), and I think I was the youngest person there by a good 20 years. I didn't mind of course. It was the best concert I've ever been to in my life! Anyway, I'm really glad I found you guys, and I can't wait to participate in all the fun!
Name: Slick
Willie
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 07:09:58
Comments:
I've done some things I'm ashamed about, not that many really, but if Madeleine Albright were the LAST woman on earth, I'd cut my dick off and hide it!
Oh Monica! Time for your facial! And don't get it on your dress this time!
Name: Loose Change
jingle belt drop
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 at 02:51:14
Comments:
Clas: Doesn't Altamira mean "Mountain Lake"? I used to think so but I'm beginning to think it means, "Someone who knows something or someone connected to absolutely everything in the universe." Except Bruce Hornsby, of course. No one knows as much about him as you and Jackson Browne.
Resistor,LC
Name: Fred Beatty
Whale N. Combo
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 22:46:24
Comments:
Dagnabbit, what's all this about taking my social security check, which was supposed to be saved by the surplus, and usin' it to bomb Slobo Dan. My hearing aid's shorted out again, but I swear I heard that he won't commit another art crime 'til next year anyway. Hey Al Gored, those Orthodox Church fundraisers are hell on wheels, I tell ya. Ooooooooohhhhh, I'm eighty, drunk on cold medicine, and horny and Madeline Albright still sooks like a fuckin' troll to me!
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: your Florida room,
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 21:52:12
Comments:
I bought The Nightfly on CD tonight, and I on the tape that held the top of the CD box shut was written "Donald Fagan: The Nightfly." Looks like someone at the CD factory can't spell!
That chat room sounds interesting; I'll have to pop in some time, but if there are any conservatives who don't like me hanging around there, I'll sign off and wait for a more auspicious time to sign on.
A tough, feisty woman I used to work with is now on Madeline Albright's security detail, maybe she will come up with a way to deal with this whole nasty mess. There must be some way for her to arrange for a little "accident."
Name: last danfan in belgrade
they're getting closer
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 21:50:57
Comments:
This is uncivilized. Your bombs are cracking the goblets. Okay, if Gore won't take a check, I'll sleep with Secretary Albright.
Name: DrMu
someone bogarted my bogus personna
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 20:38:51
Comments:
Hey now, tried to get into the chatroom for the 3rd time ever, and the first time since the changeover. Evidently someone is obsconded with my persona, but my personality is wtill in my flat hat. You'll know this unoriginal dweeb by their lack of wit and typos. St. Al., can't you enforce this or will I have to cross-check you into the virtual glass?...blades up! Going undercover...
Name: mitch
green flower st.
Location: mt. belzoni,
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 19:27:16
Comments:
Some things i think i think: buying re-released material proves that there are suckers born every day. that at 44 im no longer a bleeding hard liberal, but far from a right winger. That Madeline ( not to bright) Albright should be fired for the fiasco in the Balkans. that i can`t wait for the new chat room to catch on, with this cast of characters it should be interesting. That i won`t have to hear Fran the Nanny`s hideous laugh anymore,but i would still do her.
Name: Roy.Scam
they.got.the.slobo.dan.tee.shirts
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 16:58:24
Comments:
Stranger: Sounds like you and Altamira (boss name) have a 'Gift of the Mojo' ironic situation.
And, speaking of irony: If properly tempered, it can be turned into steely.
Doc Wu: If one analyzes the name "Two Against Nature" as an acronym (as in Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and Good Old Desk), and assigns the nomenclature used in our local school systems, it equates to Talented And Gifted. Not an innappropriate name for a Becker/Fagen project.
Oleander: Can you help me find Mary Ann Johnson with whom I went steady before my family moved to Illinois 37 years ago? Tell her to email me directly and I'll return her saddle oxfords.
RS
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: The usual place,
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 16:36:18
Comments:
Clas - I had a friend, the late AIDS activist Stephen Smith, who once appeared on Springer's show back when it was a little more respectable - there was still a lot of controversy, but it tackled more serious issues. So you're from Sweden? I have a friend who moved there four years ago - he really likes living there.
Fezo - So Expanding Man is a conservative - that explains a lot! I will confidently ignore him now.
Steve V. Dan - So you're in Singapore now - that's interesting. I hope you're having a good time there, even if it is hot. I thought that Rod Serling was from upstate New York. Speaking of numerology, my apartment number is the same as my birthday, but that's definitely not as significant as having your name be the same number as your birthday - you must have the perfect name.
Expanding Man - If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
The Stranger - Hmm, there may be some elements of an O. Henry story here. Anyway, I went back and read your earlier post, and I did misinterpret it - sorry about that. Your advice was quite wise and witty.
Sociable Hermit - Thanks for advice. I've had some experience with seasonal depression, as well as the clinical kind, and I found St. John's Wort quite helpful. Good luck with everything.
Name: DrMu
films in the den
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 16:16:55
Comments:
Clas: You caught me using some poor English. Jerry Springer still IS the former mayor of Cincinnati. Springer started off a promising career with a pedigree finer than Schotzy's:
"After earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science from Tulane University in 1965, he went on to earn a law degree from Northwestern University in 1968. His first job after college was working as one of Senator Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign aides. After Kennedy's death, Jerry joined a law firm in Cincinnati, Ohio and moved into the political arena himself. He was elected Cincinnati's Council-at-Large in 1971, serving five successive years. In 1977, Springer was elected Mayor of Cincinnati with the largest plurality in the city's history. At the age of 33, he was one of the country's youngest mayors.
In 1982, Jerry launched his career in broadcasting as a political reporter and commentator on Cincinnati's WLWT-TV. Two years later, Jerry became anchor and managing editor and was Cincinnati's number one news anchor until he relinquished the post in January of 1993."It's been downhill ever since toward that pothole of gold.
Name: DrMu
films in the den
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 16:15:05
Comments:
Clas: You caught me using some poor English Jeryy Springer still still IS the former mayor of Cincinnati. Springer started off a promising career with a pedigree finer than Schotzy's:
"After earning a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science from Tulane University in 1965, he went on to earn a law degree from Northwestern University in 1968. His first job after college was working as one of Senator Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign aides. After Kennedy's death, Jerry joined a law firm in Cincinnati, Ohio and moved into the political arena himself. He was elected Cincinnati's Council-at-Large in 1971, serving five successive years. In 1977, Springer was elected Mayor of Cincinnati with the largest plurality in the city's history. At the age of 33, he was one of the country's youngest mayors.
In 1982, Jerry launched his career in broadcasting as a political reporter and commentator on Cincinnati's WLWT-TV. Two years later, Jerry became anchor and managing editor and was Cincinnati's number one news anchor until he relinquished the post in January of 1993."It's been downhill eve since toward that pothole of gold.
Name: last danfan in belgrade
targets r us
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 14:08:50
Comments:
That last one was close. Blew some spokes off my bicycle. Can't we all get along? We are your friends. We play Barry Manilow in our elevators. If somebody will give me Al Gore's address I will mail him good cash to leave us alone. Whatever the Chinese paid, we'll double it. We don't want no trouble. Any chance of Steely Dan coming here?
Name: Mock Turtle
perusing vh1.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 10:49:35
Comments:
Happy birthday, Steve Winwood!
Happy belated deathday, Shel Silverstein!
Name: OMIO
@centurysend
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 10:47:04
Comments:
Clas: Marge Schott is the owner of the Cincinatti Reds baseball team.. A Big, Bizarre, Buffoon of a woman who endeared herself to her players by once calling one of them "A Million Dollar Nigger.." (She was forced to relinquish control of the team over that little boo-boo, much like Steinbrenner has been wrist-slapped by Baseball Authorities.).. She also has a huge St. Bernard named "Shotzy" she used to, uh, "perform" with at the games.. One sports commentator said, "When Marge enters a room, she sucks all the air out of it in one breath & then exhales it out her ass.."
So.. How about a Win A Date With Marge Schott constest?
(Itch, Chew, Spit...)
Name: Keith E. Glading
kglading@csi.com
Location: Ypsilanti, MI USA
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 10:29:21
Comments:
This is actually a plea to Oleander. On November 24, 1998 you were talking about tape (and I believe you were referring to the Village Recorder Studios) and made a reference to Ken Klinger. Ken was a friend of mine from before the time he worked there. We lost touch. Do you have any ideaas to what happened to him? It would be great if you knew where he was today, but any info would be helpful. Instead of posting here, why not email me directly at kglading@csi.com?
Thanks.
Name: Clas
GOD DAMN IT, skate a little Lowell George!
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 09:56:33
Comments:
Dr Mu - "Jerry Springer was the former mayor" That isn't true, is it?
Who is Marge Schott?
JustKatyDanFan - did I ever tell you that you have a nice name?
Name: DrMu
WKRP - with jabs and consternation
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 07:51:13
Comments:
fezo: Walter and Donald are closet conservatives (only they don't know it yet). Look how careful they are with their craft and they're certainly not adverse to money.
Steve V, Clas: There are a number of other reasons why Cincinnati is scary:
1) It's next to Kentucky
2) Jerry Springer was the former mayor
3) Two words: Marge Schott
4) Hotel Cincinnati - the biggest roach infested joint I've ever been in...don't know if it's still there. I high school, I was in a state amateur wrestling team going to a national tournament and we had to spend the night after breaking down in Ken-yucky. When we walked in there about 12 old men sitting in small stool, and beat up chairs watching a 13 in black and white TV and a couple of hookers with large striped wrap around skirts. A few of the kids had never seen a real-live hooker. Thank goodness I had prepped myself by listening to Can't Buy a Thrill many times. No one could sleep as each bed mattress contained more species of insects than 10 square miles of the Amazon jungle; so we stayed out all night at the bars. I think a couple of the kids got laid for the first time and got the clap at the same time...needless to say we didn't fare so well once we arrived in Iowa to compete.
5) It's not far from Indiana either.
Name: StAlphonzo
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 07:30:45
Comments:
Regarding chat... You do NOT need to register with Talk City to gain access to the chat room. Any old login name will work as long as it isn't in use by a registered user at Talk City. However, if you find a login name you like it would be to your advantage to go ahead and register it. So far the new chat room is receiving positive remarks. Also, it appears Talk City is accessible if you're behind a corporate firewall, unlike Parachat.
Name: jOker
waiting for the Bopper
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 07:13:32
Comments:
FEZO: now THAT would be a good show........ throw in Ritchie Valens and Patsy Cline and you'd have a wonderful tour.....
[i can see the trashed aircraft backdrops now}
:been awaiting the return of my colleague from the Middle east to return with proper headgear and was not disappointed when he presented me with my very own Egyptian Fez:
what's with this .MP3 shit? it seems to be really shakin up the labels - wondering whether don+walt would FINALLY pay attention to an individual if he/she began posting .MP3s of his/her albums.....seeing how much they charge for sampling, the fur would REALLY fly -
STEVE V.: ("WEA and Reprise certainly do not want to miss the final X-mas rush of the friggin' millenium!!!"}
:....... checking my sundial, we got more than 18 mos. left. Chill.well, back to the hovercraft. y'all be nice, and don't even THINK about generating SD .MP3s, now.......[grinning)
Name: fezo
welcometothemachine
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 06:58:52
Comments:
Alt: great name. it's cool to have another liberal soul in the GB midst. you'll learn quickly to ignore embittered conservative souls like Expanding Man. seven years after the election, he's still pouting that a Democratic got elected President.
the summer concert misery continues: latest coming attractions nearby: Barry Manilow and J Geils Band. pretty soon they're going to be digging up Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper and pushing them out on stage
Name: Steve V. Dan
beyond the sea wall
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 06:17:38
Comments:
Finally got access to the internet....at a cyber cafe in Singapore!........glad to see ever thing is still the same here.....I think we can count on the 11/2 date.....WEA and Reprise certainly do not want to miss the final X-mas rush of the friggin' millenium!!!.......
a few comments to the gang ;
clas:Cincinnati is scary....jazz clubs still segregated...Pete Rose was the Oliver North of baseball....I spent a long two months there once....but it is the birthplace of Rod Serling (or was that Binghamptom.....)
Oleander-
what would you say if a persons numerology (for their given birthname, i.e. mine) was the same as their birthdate (8/24)???re:re-issues: I have noticed at the Tower Records here they have some Japanese imports of CBAT, CTE and KAty lied.....and all of them have the original artwork, (i.e. photos on back etc.) I think they are the new re-issues, but are different than the US ones....(did they really screw up Pretzel Logic???? that was one of Victor Feldmans finest moments! blame it on MCA!)
will check in again soon kids....boy it is friggin hot here....(33 degrees celcius)
Name: Edd
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 06:09:38
Comments:
"...some thoughtless mother named her kid slobodan."
Isn't Slobo Yugoslavian for Steely?
Name: Expanding Man
I'll take Kathy Lee instead of this
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 05:38:43
Comments:
God , Donald, Walter,
please get rid of this Alt person !!!!!!!!!
It's over - it's all over ................
"I like Al Gore - he's intelligent" -yah that's why he aided Clinton in selling all of our nuclear secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign $$$ - your right , those are some smart guys !.
New Pretzel sounds good - I agree about the first 15 seconds of Rikki !! The liner notes are the best thing about the disc. I don't think the "remaster" was significantly clarifying or enhancing in any material way in this case.
Alt , we'll give you a free Fez to unplug your computer or lose your bookmark file.
Name: Clas
skate a little Lowell now...
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 04:10:40
Comments:
Zippy - "All walter writes about is drug addictions and we aren't allowed to mention it!"
Weird, isn't it?
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 at 01:22:01
Comments:
Geena - congrats!!!
El Supremo - "...only to find out you were out partying all night, how dumb of me!" I should say - how dumb of ME! Loosing my wallet and all that stuff.
Cincinnati is a strange town. Almost naked girls dancing and hard hard men drinking beer from the bottle, looking strange at me. I said I was from Sweden and they thought that was a town in Nebraska!
Altamira - can you hold on there? I get back to you.
Name: TheStranger
borscht
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 21:51:22
Comments:
altamira,
that's cute that you used to groom a horse called stranger because i once had a horse comb named altamira. or have i mixed this up with an o. henry story?geena,
it's wonderful that you're going to save some kid from having to eat russian food. may she arrive before the next dan album. be careful what you name her. we may be having all this trouble with the serbians because some thoughtless mother named her kid slobodan.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: the usual place,
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 21:35:46
Comments:
I posted something about an hour ago, with friendly greetings for General Note, the Stranger and Sociable Hermit, and a little snarl for Jason, and it does not seem to have hit the list yet. Did it get lost in cyberspace, or what? I have not seen any of my previous posts go missing, and I'm wondering where it went. If it doesn't appear by tomorrow afternoon, I'll rewrite it and send it again, for I did want the intended recipients to read what I had written. Until it appears, thanks all for writing; I love the list and I guess you're all just stuck with me at this point, for good or for ill.Geena - I hope all goes well with the new daughter. I wish the both of you all the best. I had gotten the impression that D&W were getting a bit warmer from a number of interviews I had read, but I could be wrong. I've discovered that as I get older, I get less cynical, but we're all different, and I was cynical to the extreme when I was younger, so I suppose I went in the only direction still open to me. I'm still on the crusty side, just a tad softer than I was before.
Name: Geena
Whoa!
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 20:19:30
Comments:
I seem to have led some here to believe that Miss Geena has a bun in the oven, is in the family way, swallowed a watermelon seed, stuck a beach ball up her shirt, harboring a pygmy alien from Mizar5, etc. My apologies for being so vague, but the above is not true. I am however expecting a delivery in the form of an infant female from what was once known as the USSR. We're still in the process of finding out a date of her arrival to the U.S, but i'm told it will be in a few weeks. Now, would anyone care to wager on an date because i haven't a clue!
Altamira: Way to go girlfriend! I think you're gonna do just fine here. Kinder? You haven't seen anything yet, this is tame compared to what's to come. BTW.....Nice response to Kookamoungus.....YES!!!!!
I don't know about D&W becoming more emotional. I've been cynical all my life and the older i get the more cynical i become, but that may be just me. the way i see it, D&W built their relationship on cynicism, and while they may be smarter and wiser, some things just never change.
Il Straniero: don't nauseate yourself, have a bromoseltzer once in a while and let's get crazy!
fezo: Next time you jones for some SD, call me at work. I'll put you on hold while i rig up the muzak thingy with all your favorites.
GK John: i am honored to be included as a Sister of Babylon, now maybe at some DanFess, we'll do mysterious dance of the 7 veils for you.....well at least i know i can count on Ruby Baby to join me, but you'll have to pass that pipe to me first.
No piccolo bambini running about my house, but maybe i'll name her GKGiovanna!
El Supremo: I've ordered the newly remastered Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied and as soon as they arrive and i have a listen, i'll let you know if it was worth my sheckels..................More Dots For You.................
Name: GoodKingRichard
throne alone
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 20:13:19
Comments:
RB: 'Two Against Nature' I think it's just a bit of fun on their part: possibly a reference to the way some people have a problem with their recording style; or maybe a reference to their increasing infirmity; or both! I thought it was just a working title just to keep us on our toes...
an extension of their site, which if you haven't visited lately is worth a visit. I wonder if they have checked, and agree with all the lyrics, the site of many a dispute here over the years 'word was hurled' 'go to los wages' etc.
Muzwell: good to see ya mate! Any other Aussie lurkers? In the past I've invited D&W over for a cooling libation but, as yet, they haven't responded... maybe on tour here next year? By the way, would you ever 'fly down to Musclebrook'? Maybe the full prophesy will come true as the site of Sydney's new airport. Anyway, surely the line should have been 'fly in on a large white chook' no?
Richard
'With nothing to do but feed
All the kangaroos' (poets out there: why two lines? and why like this?)
Name: General Note
GN@NATO.com
Hahahaha! Yeah Right!
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 19:46:37
Comments:
Took a break from the war...oops I'm mean intervention, to check on the Dan Page only to find that super-sleuth Altamira had posted to me. I have lurked all these years and never once posted, yet she knew I was here and posted to me.
She must work for the CIA...oops wait a minute, she would have confused me for a postal worker. Maybe the CIA would like to hire her. God knows they need the help, what with chinese embassys that fly the chinese flag and all, getting mistaken for a Serbian post office...but I digress.
To respond to Altamira: thanks but no thanks, please post to someone else in the future. BTW, listserves are for the lazy, and we could never calll anyone on this page lazy.
GN
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: You all know where I live by now,
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 19:46:25
Comments:
Ok, I'm going back on what I just wrote and posting again. Well, hey, I can't help myself, just shoot me or something.The Stranger - I actually went back and read what you wrote. Yes, I misinterpreted it big time (I think I somehow mentally mixed it up with a nearby post from someone else who was quite negative), it is most wise and witty and I will take your advice to heart. By the way, many years ago, when I worked as a race horse groom (before my left knee and my back gave out on me), I worked with a horse named The Stranger, a two-year-old bay gelding. I liked him but the other grooms didn't. He was kind of quirky but had a good side. I realize this doesn't fit in logically with anything; your name just reminded me of him.
The Katy Dan Fan - So it is ok to learn here? Good, I was worried there for a while! I will continue to enjoy the list.
Name: Sociable Hermit
Now It's Raining, But At Least It's Warm
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 19:33:55
Comments:
Altamira:
Thanks for the compliment. Let me give you some advice: fuck the flamers. People who are full disparaging remarks, then don't even have the guts to use their real name, (well, their real fake name, that is), aren't worth responding to. And please don't be apologetic about inserting your personality into your posts right off the bat: there is really no need to lurk and wait for the "proper" moment to insinuate yourself. You're doing fine, and it's nice to hear that you're a liberal.
Guess that seasonal depression hasn't completely left yet, huh?
Better go smoke some St. John's Wart.Later,
Herm
Name: TheStranger
witless just now
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 19:16:42
Comments:
altamira,
sex life quiet? maybe you should have your adenoids removed. geena did and now she's pregnant. although actually, she never made it clear whether she was pregnant or adopting. what's up geen?katie dan fan,
may we end up with seats next to each other at the front row of a dan concert. just look for a complete package.there's a good npr station in l.a. called kcrw. but between 9 a.m.-noon it interrupts regular format to play really ugly music from around the world. stuff that doesn't even try to be good, just weird. screeching, humming, banging. 3rd world instruments. awful shit. other morning the deejay came on in a promo and said he was going to play some ben folds 5.
Name: Al Gore
@ Washington Zoo
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 18:41:05
Comments:
I invented Steely Dan.
Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...catching up on my social correspondence..."
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 18:32:24
Comments:
MidniteCruiser: Somehow I missed your wedding day! El Supremo told me you had a pic on here and everything. Of course I had to go find that immediately! *Nice kiss* and congratulations to you two!Geena: How did you keep your news from us all this time?! Awwww, I'm very happy for you! Is that why you were absent from the GB for awhile? Was it morning sickness? Want us to predict the date of this event for ya? I'll pick June 7th, my son's birthday!
Herm: Glad to see you're out in the light of day and that you're feeling better. I do like your name, so I hope you don't change it.
Dr Mu: Enjoyed your posts. Gerry and the Pacemakers, wow, that sure took me way back. And I absolutely LOVE "Can't Write Home About You."
Clas: Do we have Letterman? No, he broadcasts out of NYC but it's only aired in Sweden!...
Fezo: Yep, isn't that awful when you gotta hear the Dan and you can't arrange it. I keep sneaking the CD's into my computer at work.
Stranger: You are exceptionally witty these days (or I've been away too much?) Your *role model* comments to Altamira had me ROFL. And thank you for remembering the mothers of the GB, that was sweet of you.
GKJohn: Ditto on the Mother's Day thank you.
Altamira: Welcome, Anne. You're right, this is a "different sort of forum." You came to the right place if you're open to learning more about SD and their fans! *grin* Happy posting!
Ole: Thank you for posting my thoughts re: DTMA, I am honored to be a part of your site!
El Supremo: When school is out, can we go on a long vacation, sweetheart? ILY!
Just Katy :)
...on the other side of no tomorrow...
Name: Original Lester
Correction
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 18:24:37
Comments:
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Name: Original Lester
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 18:23:53
Comments:
Ok- first thing's first on the reissue of Pretzel Logic: Where's the first 25 seconds of Rikki. Not a very good start, but sounds good alltogether, and the liner notes are really cool. Bring on Katy!
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 18:17:48
Comments:
Big Fan - That's great! I'm glad they've finally pinned down a date.Geena - Congratulations! I wish you and the baby all the best.
Expanding Man - Yes, I am for real, are you? Why do you think I'm full of shit? I write honestly about what I think. And what is wrong with learning? Surely you have learned in the course of your life, you would still think like a newborn if you hadn't. If you truly are an expanding man, then I would assume your mind must be expanding, and doesn't that involve learning? But, yes, perhaps "cerebral" was a poor word choice; I won't use it again. What makes you associate me with the New Age Guest Book? I've lived in DC my whole life; we have a lively cultural scene here, especially classical music and theater, as well as go-go music, which originated here. There are some people here whose thinking I don't like; I try to ignore them. I did vote for Clinton twice, he made a lot of promises he didn't keep, but I like much of what he's done, although not all, of course. I like Al Gore, too; he's extremely intelligent and good on environmental issues. And what would have been the alternative to voting for Clinton? I sure wouldn't have voted for a Republican; they're way to conservative for my tastes, and I thought the independent candidates were pretty strange and had impractical ideas. Why wouldn't I appreciate Steely Dan? I think they are excellent musicians; is my musical knowledge not sufficient to be able to come to that conclusion? I've certainly never had anyone accuse my writing of being syrupy before, in fact, I've noticed and disliked that in other people's writing (not here, of course). If my writing is getting syrupy, then I will have to carefully read what I write before I send it so as to avoid that tendency.
Sociable Hermit - I enjoyed your lively and interesting post. I'm glad things are going well for you. Your name does seem to be a good choice.
Omio - I am sorry to learn of Shel Silverstein's demise; I really liked him, a wonderfully quirky and creative mind.
GK John - Thanks for the welcome. I've been enjoying the list so far, there are a lot of very interesting people here. I'm reading carefully and trying to get a feel for the list.
Clas - Great. Sure, I'd love to hear more about your dog and cat.
Elvis - Vocal talent is a good thing, but training can help a great deal also - good singing is as much a matter of technique and interpretation as it is having a good instrument. But if the person has no natural musical ability, then there is not much that can be done. You ask if I've had any vocal talent - I did at one time, but my voice and my sense of pitch aren't what they used to be, so I don't sing anymore. Good suggestion about the baritone.
Stranger - I should have read your post more carefully; I didn't mean to misinterpret what you wrote - I won't let it happen again. My sex life has been pretty quiet lately since I've been single for a while, but I am exploring some likely prospects at the moment so I'm sure it will improve soon.
General note - I will do more reading and less writing for a while so as to make sure that my posts fit in well with everything else on the list. I probably should have lurked for a while before jumping in.
Name: Mitch
Green Flower St.
Location: Mt. Belzoni,
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 17:57:25
Comments:
The new chat room, is it JAVA ,or not?
Name: rubybaby
rubberb@bybuggybumpers
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 15:06:16
Comments:
Geena: You're going to be a mom in few weeks?!! Cool! Has it been that long since we've talked?Does anybody know what the title Two Against Nature means? Will there be a title track?
Got into the new chat room after I registered a new nickname & password (sheesh!) I was alone in there so I can't tell if it's better or not. Guess my name & win!
rb
Name: kamfire
kamfire98@hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 13:33:23
Comments:
Must admit that the remastered re-release of both CBAT and Pretzel Logic sound okay. Big ups to Don and Walt for the lyrics and notes, made it well worth buying again. Big Fan: Thanks for the "updated" release date, although I am growing very skeptical.
Always Lurking.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 11:42:55
Comments:
The Reprise Record new release page has been updated - and now they have a title associated with the album release date of November 2, 1999 - "Two Against Nature" - go figure
http://www.repriserec.com/newreleases.html
Name: Expanding Man
@yah,I'llstealthat!!
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 10:54:19
Comments:
ALTamira, are you for real ????
you are so full of shit I gag when I read your posts.
"Is it ok if I learn"
"I am so cerebral"
What are you Mr. Rogers long lost child ?Please go back to the New Age Guestbook forum you came from.
To your credit you've probably just been living in D.C. too long with all the other people who have their heads so far up their asses they believe their own shit doesn't stink.
I'll bet you voted for Clinton both times and are looking forward to voting for Al Bore !!!!!!!!
I don't know what you could possibly appreciate in Steely Dan given the mentality that you've displayed so far.
Now someone give me a wet towel so I can wipe the syrup off from ALT's last series of posts.
Name: El Supremo
. . .living hard will take it's toll.com
U.S.A.,
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 10:13:17
Comments:
Hello, DanFanLand!
Just wondering if everyone had a GREAT time at the DanFest in New Orleans. Yes, Clas, I DID call and speak with 'Michelle' in Cincinnati, as I thought you were detained there, and my "connections" might be able to get you out of a jam----only to find out you were out partying all night, how dumb of me!
Has anyone bought the newly remastered "Pretzel Logic" or "Katy Lied" CD's, yet?
If so, please advise if they are worth spending even more of my useless money on more of the same damn 'DanMusic'----LOL!!
KatyDanFan---I Love You Wife-For-Life!!
Keep sending those ......dots......
Cheers!
ES
Name: Bob Barker
/
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 10:02:13
Comments:
OMOI... Re: Trivia ...What's the Question?
Name: Sociable Hermit
Oh What A Beautiful Morning...!
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 09:28:10
Comments:
Wow! It really is amazing what a change in temperature can do for emotional and mental stability! It seems that most of my seasonal depression is again dissapated (temporarily), and I can perhaps get on with what some people call my life.
I HATE winter. I never used to mind it all that much before, but now, now it only seems to magnify the dull, inactivity that my life can dip into. Clustered, cloistered, closed-in...you'd think that a cave dweller would thrive in such surroundings, wouldn't you? But the thing is, I need to be able to stand outside, feel the sun, smell the air, and hear the birds, without having to withstand temperatures below freezing. I cannot describe, (but I'll give it a shot), at how wonderful it is to finally let the air flow in, load up the CD player, hit "shuffle", and sit in the partial shade while drinking a few cold ones! THAT, is when you know that life can be good, that no matter what is thrown at you, no matter how difficult your previous days are, there is beauty and serenity that can be had whenever you need it. Just don't look down at the lawn while your soaking it all in, 'cause otherwise, you'll see how high the weeds are and that the grass needs to be cut.
Sorry I haven't been very good at communicating lately, but I have been pecking away at this keyboard for what seems like an eternity, until I look over my left shoulder at the calendar and realize that it's actually closer to two months. But, as I said, now that the weather has become much more pleasant, so shall my demeanor, and I will be seen on this gb more frequently than before, (whether you think that's good or bad, I'm not sure.)Altamera: Hi. As Joe Walsh said, welcome to the club. As you can see, not everyone here has a SD-related name: mine is more a reflection of my dysfunctional personality than it is anything else. But, for what it's worth, I think you chose a good one. I seriously thought about changing my name to "Expanding Man", but since my weight has shifted in the other direction since the beginning of the year, that would now be a misnomer. I realize that one can expand in other more important ways, but I fear that somehow, I would end up personifying it by tipping, and crushing, the scales at a unwanted weight. I would have chose "This Moody Bastard", but I believe it's been taken.
Still nothing about a tour, an album, anything. Very disappointing. I always thought if I became a rich successful writer, I'd want to move to Hawaii, but perhaps it is too much of a playground, and ultimately becomes a distraction. I mean, who wants to go into the studio when you could lay on the beach with a margurita, and listen to the waves gently trickle up the shore? Maybe they should lug their equiptment on the beach like Dick Dale did in old Beach movies and record a live accoustic album.
For anyone who's interested, Todd Rundgren is playing at Chicago's Lincoln Park Zoo (huh?) on Friday June 25, with an as-of-yet-undetermined opening act. I have no idea what the hell that's all about, but I think I might go. I haven't seen Todd in years.
Well, enough blabbering, I've already wasted too much space.Later,
Herm
Name: Edd
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 09:14:00
Comments:
re: Tom Scott
Saw him in Naples, Fl. Saturday night. Excellent outdoor show.
Seemed like a very "mature" performer. Came out, treated the crowd with respect, and just created some great music with the LA Express. I enjoyed every second of his show...
Name: OMIO
under d@ weather
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 08:47:09
Comments:
Gee, what a day on the GB.. Thanks Geena, & back atya.. I'll swap the banjo for a new Husquvarna.. Husquevarna.. aw fuquit..
Dr.. If Costello cain't wake him up, or at least piss him off, then it really is hopeless..
RIP: Shel Silverstein.. One-of-a-kind, folks, & I'm gonna miss
him..Trivia: Tower Of Power has 2 new versions of Squib Cakes at their website, bumpcity.com.. Doc Krupka & bassist Rocco Prestia have solo albums out.. Sons playing Portland June 11th
& Seattle June 12th.. Gary Duncan & Quicksilver 2000 (featuring Aja participant Michael Lewis, mixer at the time..) playing San Francisco at The Transmission Theater near 11th & Folsom around May 22 or 23.. Their new music is available on MP3.com, one reviewer called the sound "East Bay Steely Dan.."
All over 50, & still wrecking houses around the world..
C'mon D&W... Tick Tick Tick!
Name: DrMu
simulpost
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 07:15:26
Comments:
GKR: You are correct, as Scout also exclamed. It's easy to hear from "Ferry 'Cross the Mersey" and "Don't Let the Sun Catch You Cryin" how influential George Martin was especially on the mid-period Beatles stuff like Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, some of Magical Mystery Tour. After Yoko and the death of Brian Epstein he managed to reel 'em in one just last time for Abbey Road. Listening to "Something", it would have been great if he had produced some of Harrison's albums. He did manage to half-wake McCartney up from a THC slumber in Tug ot War...even Costello couldn't quite slap him out of it later.
Name: Jason
ok
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 07:05:33
Comments:
GK John..."A breath of fresh air the guestbook needed"? You're kidding right?
Name: DrMu
they filmed the whole Cher raid
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 07:03:40
Comments:
Scout: you got it...don't let the sun catch ya cryin' or your hat too flat
Name: GK John
A world of wonder, often told but never scene
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 06:59:19
Comments:
ALTamira- Love that moniker! The GB needed a breath of fresh! And spunky too! Often, we here at Dan Central while waiting in painful silence, make the daily pilgrimage to the sacred GB to embrace the teachings of the sages, Edd, Mu, Roy, Fezo and all. And to be transfixed by the mysterious dances of the Sisters of Babylon, Ole, Ruby, Geena and Katie (and others). A true journey of the senses! Come! Partake! Inhale the fragrant incense. Smoke the enlightening hashish! Drink deeply of the cup! Have you met Sociable Hermit yet? Come, venture closer to the cave! Perhaps he shall stir...
Geena- I'm so thrilled for you! But I thought you had bambini scampering about already? Benedetti! John is a lovely name! Who knows? Your daughter might come to appreciate the name in about 25 years! (Scherzo! Scherzo!)mibondi- I believe it has to do with the fact that when baseball was invented and MLB had no one else to play with, they had to come up with a concept that would make the game seem to be more important to the rest of the globe. Funny thing is, now that the rest of the world is playing, when does it get to be the "true" world series? I guess not being closer to North America means tough shit to everyone else... BTW, I've been meaning to ask, are the Foster's commercials any better there than here? Or are all Aussies beer-swilling, uneducated, slangy slobs as portrayed in American TV commercials? Just curious...
Say hello to my relatives in Melbourne for me, eh?MU- That would be Gerry & the Pacemakers, right? I think he also did some work with Badfinger and Alan Parsons, but I believe that was the BI group he endorsed.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 06:42:06
Comments:
An interesting link to new releases coming out on Windham Hill this year, including Spyro Gyra and Tom Scott who played sax on Aja and others.
http://news.excite.com:80/news/bw/990510/ca-windham-hill-records
Name: scout
gum shoe
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 06:30:06
Comments:
Andy McKaie at MCA says he isn't getting very many requests for more SD rarities. Give him a call in socal.
gerry and the pacemakers rule!
Name: Clas
I'm so sorry...
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 05:24:42
Comments:
... but, dr Mu! AHAAA! Now I know what you mean.
Altamira - no sweat, I can tell you about my dog anyway.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 05:18:17
Comments:
Damn Edd, you make my life very complicated.
Okay, got some other words:
Transistor - Lanchaster
Resistor - Melissa
ballistor - manufactorDid I mentioned that I saw Ben Folds five, six, seven or whatever on Letterman the other night. I just can't understand what you guys hear in them.
Do you have Letterman over there?
Name: fezo
jonesing
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 05:13:36
Comments:
damn, i need a "Book of Liars" fix and i'm stuck at work for another nine hours
Name: Edd
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 03:18:39
Comments:
Transistor
Resistor
ballistorBonus round:
Kissed her
Missed her
Omits her
Name: Benny Factor
swedish swanee river dance
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 01:13:32
Comments:
Clas,
Rhyme 3 things with Twister. These DON't count:
1. Mister
2. Blister
3. Sister
Quicker the Better,BF (5)
Name: Clas
watching beau bridges burn
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 01:05:45
Comments:
What stuff?
Name: Elvin Bishop
Krakatoa, East of Jaun Valdez
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 00:34:32
Comments:
Clas: How do you do this stuff?
Name: Elvis, ElViS , ELVIS!
Eden Alley
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 00:29:38
Comments:
Anne Thomas: Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Either you've got vocal talent or you don't. Period. Had one lately?
Roy: Isn't it about time you tested Anne's "roulade" ability?
Oh, and Anne, please shoot a pleasant baritone through your sini and see if it lands infini or fini. One is Cher and the other is Streisand.
Happy Birthday, David Byrne!
Elvis
Name: Clas
watching jeff bridges burn
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 at 00:15:39
Comments:
Ole! - "Clas says that to all the girls." Okay, but this time it's different. I really love this girl.
Altamira! - Anna Louise! But that's a great name! And you have cats? Have you heard about my cat, Nisse? And my dog, Pompe? Just let me know if you wanne hear about them. Anytime.
Name: TheStranger
role model
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 23:30:34
Comments:
geena,
gonna be a mother in a few weeks? that's wonderful. may your kid be healthy and not rotten and bring you much joy. it's ok, you don't have to name him stranger.altamira,
i nauseate myself sometimes, but i never said you nauseate me. you must read my posts more carefully. they are superlative gifts. most of them go straight to the smithsonian. now tell me more about your sex life.
Name: muscles
mibondi@one.net.au
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 22:53:41
Comments:
sorry - i know it doesn't scan but it just doesn't sound right and we've got the olympics so our voice deserves to be heard. BTW a Dan Olympics staged simultaneously in the Muss town with an event gleaned from each tune , culminating in the world premiere performance of the new album? It writes itself. The (drug free) winner of the 100m Dragon Chase climbs the podium to the strains of Time Out Of Mind to receive a Dan from same.
Also, can someone explain the World Series to me - I don't see the "world" - maybe it just scans better.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 21:51:36
Comments:
Dr Mu - Hey, I could duplicate that symbol if I were in WordPerfect, but I don't know how to do it in this format. Well, given my options, I'll trust the group. Hey, I'm growing old myself, and at this point in my life, trusting seems the way to go; it sure beats the hell out of mistrust and alienation. I'll just try to avoid making a pain in the ass of myself, which perhaps I am already by posting so much, but I'm new to the group and just feeling my way around now.
Anyway, I listened to Black Friday tonight, and I agree about the pronunciation fitting the phrasing. The way Muzzwellbrook is pronounced, each syllable has equal weight; if it were pronounced as "Musclebrook," then the second syllable would be de-emphasized and it would throw off the way the line is sung. (And if this seems to be overly pedantic to you, just get over it - whoops, our old mayor said that four years ago, better retract my claws, ok, I'll behave now.)
Name: Dr µ
does your dog bite?
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 21:09:22
Comments:
Actually: Now that was good. Did upon completion of first semester calculus class (differentiation) declare to those that would listen that Newton invented Calculus in order to explain his laws of motion as if you were the first one who could possibly realize it? Of COURSE phrasing is and plays against the rest of the instrumentation! Whaddya think, we're in a Dan recording studion listening to half-finished demos?? ...actually I'd take that at this point.
THOSE IN EASTERN TIME: Buy your re- re-remastered Pretzel Logic and synchronize your watches NOW!
GKJ, DocK: Glad to hear that that C. Leavell (love that anecdote) is alive and kickin' I wonder if he's listening to Steely Dan on the headphones while he's raking in premium $$ playing with the Stones.
jk: trivia: What other British Invasion band did George Martin produce?
Altamira: Whoa! I thought you said you were very private (not that there's anything wrong with that). You must either completely trust us , mistrust us, or not give a rat's ass. That's cool...sorry, Clas!
Ole: Yeah. I like when he whines: "go play with someone eeellllllsssseee." Was just listening to "Hey 19" using my iMac CD Audio Player set-up...sound's not half bad. Anyway, it kills me when Fagen strings out "...growin' ooooooollllld" late in the meter but matching the guitar chords in the left channel.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 21:05:41
Comments:
Please disregard previous post; I had a typing error.
Anyway, as regards "cynical Dan fans" - I had gotten the impression from recent interviews with Becker and Fagen that they are not so cynical any more. Actually, they seem to be exploring some deeper emotional territory these days, and I find that quite appealling now. It may be an age thing; I'm getting older myself (I have been a Dan fan for 27 years now) and one's outlook changes with age. I found their biting cynicism delightful 20 years ago, I find their ruminations on art, life and relationships quite intriguing these days. They are smart, wise and insightful, and clever as all get out - I find that enlightening and reassuring. I hope I'm not bringing an unwanted voice to your list - I have found the list most intriguing and helpful in my understanding of SD's music, but do you not want a new voice on the list, with a different perspective? Or should I just put on my Teflon suit and lighten up a bit? I guess I'll never make everyone happy; but I do like this group and I would like to be a productive member of it.
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.clo
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 20:50:17
Comments:
Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 20:33:24
Comments:
Kookamoungus - Thanks for the invitation, but I would have to know your gender first. I hope I'm not violating the rules of the list here, but I'm only interested in females.
Geena - Thanks for the welcome. I have found this group a bit kinder than some others I've been on so far, but perhaps I haven't seen the worst of it yet. I do wonder what the Newbie Police is up to, though!
Oleander - Yes, I had noticed that in Barrytown. I'll have to pull out that CD from my box set and listen to it again. I'm glad you like the new name; I was always quite fond of that song. It's funny, practically everyone I've ever known has told me to stop apologizing, maybe I should take that advice to heart. Thanks for the offer of the Teflon petals; who is Baz Luhrman?
St. Alphonzo - Good to see you here. I'm sorry I took up so much of your time with my computer's nasty virus problem, but I have gotten some good advice and I think that nasty Happy.EXE is finally gone from my machine.
The Stranger - So you think I'm pouring out my heart, huh? Well, you don't know me. I've been a member of various lists, including some pretty nasty ones, for years. I did commit a stupid newbie mistake by offering some unwelcome suggestions on reconfiguring the list, but I have now seen the great wisdom of having the list just the way it is, and I apologized, so just what the hell is your problem, anyway? Also, I'm an extremely private person; I've dropped in little bits of private information where I thought they were appropriate, but there's one hell of a lot you don't know about me and never will. I can't believe I might have nauseated you, for I am pretty cynical myself. If you find me nauseating, don't read what I write. I find you pretty nauseating too. Yeah, sure, I act pretty polite, but I have teeth and claws just like my cats, don't fuck with me. (Note to the rest of you: you didn't see that.)
I do appreciate the tone and attitude of Fagen's voice, but, remember, I am only familiiar with classical singing and I'm trying to learn something here. Why don't you tell me something, for I am the one trying to learn? Or is that not acceptable? Is it not ok for someone who's new to this to learn how to better appreciate the music?
Actually - I am listening, and as I mentioned in a previous post, I'm listening in a new way and hearing new things. Music is a language, but to understand the language, one must know the vocabulary and the grammar. Up until now, I had only been familiar with classical singing and I am now learning about a different style, and thoroughly enjoying the new knowledge and the greater understanding I now have of Fagen's truly marvelous singing. The discussion I have been involved with is not pretentious, it's just a different way of interpreting it. We all think differently and interpret differently; I tend to be quite cerebral and I need to know how to think about something before I can appreciate it adequately. I have been listening to Steely Dan since 1972, but now I'm making a real attempt to fully understand the music. What's wrong with that? Don't you want me to learn anything new? And what sort of assumption am I making about the supposed sophistication of Fagen and Katz, and Becker, too, for that matter - I've always found them quite sophisticated, is that wrong? And yes, of course, the music always comes first, and Fagen definitely serves the music well, as choral directors say. Is this sterile? I don't think so; now that I understand Fagen's singing better, I find it quite passionate; something I didn't hear before. I'm sorry, but I was ignorant, now I know better. Is that wrong? I'm sorry, I was naive.
So you're in DC, too? Great, it's good to find my neighbors on this list.
Name: CanterLupe
melonballer
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 19:36:35
Comments:
Honeydeux- And you said *I* was the only one who got to see your burpless cucumber!
Name: kookamoungus
Leftylemon@freckleface strawberry
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 19:25:54
Comments:
ANNe - i'd love to have a long hot make-out session with you. all slirpy, slidey, and nibbling . . . see it glisten.
honeydew
Name: Geena
stillwaiting
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 19:13:02
Comments:
TheStranger: If adenoids made one smart, rich, worldly, sweet and attractive, i wouldn't have given mine away so easily, especially the rich part. My accent is terribly close to Nu Yawk, except for when i was on the air, then the accent and nasal leprachauns made it magically disappear. Yes darling, i am deranged!
Oh and thanks for the Mother's Day greeting. I'm not a mama yet, but hope to be in a few weeks!
RubyBaby: Awww.....you're making me blush! I'll send you my bathrobe so you can add a few more brightly colored flowers on it, then tell whomever is attacking you here to kiss your toukos.Anne Thomas (Altamira): Welcome. Heed Again's advice and go buy yourself that Asbestos Thermasuit, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
Oleander: a perfect example of what you said: some people read the paper in the morning, some people read their email in the morning, i read the guestbook with my wonderful new manager, Peg. Are you still doing the pool thang?
GK John: Grazie! Come sta amico mio?
Goodnight my funky ones!
Name: oleander
embracing the frozen dawn
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 19:00:14
Comments:
DrCage--At this time, unfortunately, Kinky has staked out the entire year 2000. C'mon, Kink, be a gent & snug it up a bit.
NotInNO--I dunno. If you weren't there, should we tell you?
Mu, Anne--Another good example is the vocal in "Barrytown," in which the beginning of nearly every syllable is off the beat, thereby musically expressing the disconnect between the generations. I just love it.
BigFan--omigod. They're on to us. It's the beginning of the end.
jk--oh puhleease. "Medical Science" has a terrific groove and some fabulous images. Listen a little more closely.
RB--yes, even a cyberbox is good to jump out of.
RS--Pretend you didn't see that preposition.
Altamira--Good pick. Not that I ever give advice, but: loosen up. Stop apologizing. Edit politeness. Keep your guard up. I'll loan you a few Teflon petals. Clas says that to all the girls. (I sound like that damn Baz Luhrmann song)
Stranger--You have earned your place in heaven, and a big hug and smoocheroo from this mother.
OMIO--And a big hug for you. Just put that banjo down and put in your dentures first.
Name: StAlphonzo
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 18:45:49
Comments:
Whoa, go away for a few days and look what happens. Loose lips, wild accusations, toasty flames and the like. This is Great! First time I actually READ the guestbook in years....
A favor to ask of the fellow Gb'ers. I changed the chat room around, specifically changing the program used for the chat client. I was wondering if everyone could take a momment or two to give me some feedback as to what you think? I am trying a different program that's provided by the folks a Talk City. Some of you may already have a login name registered, if so, please use it to access the room. You do not need to be a registered user of Talk City to access the room, but you do need a unique name. If you get an error while logging in, try a different handle. StAlphonzo & StAl were taken. If you see some yo-yo named "stalfnzo," that's me....
http://www.seanet.com/~stalfnzo/chat.html
Oh yeah, pancakes DON'T suck, putz...
Remember, no rules save serious harrassment, child abuse/pornography. Rumors are allowed anytime you want. You simply do what i do and ignore them or take 'em with a big heaping spoonfull of salt.
StAlphonzo
Name: wse....ƒå˜59
dr2241cage@mindless.com
Location: Nevis, NY usa
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 18:40:11
Comments:
on the fibor run
Name: wse....ƒå˜59
dr2241cage@mindless.com
Location: Nevis, NY usa
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 18:39:17
Comments:
on the fibor run
Name: TheStranger
almost up to the window
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 17:49:04
Comments:
re altamira: it's a common malady we've seen many times. a newbie, delighted to find a community of danfans, pours out his/her heart, thereby nauseating a good portion of logically cynical danfans because after all, they're danfans.
altamira,
many of us are like cub fans. we've seen it all. a long long time ago we won a world series. but it wasn't yesterday and nothing has worked out right for a long time. if you can tell me something interesting about fagen's voice i would be glad to read it. but you're all wrong if you pursue just the phrasing or the musicality. because there's also the tone, the attitude that combines with all the rest. it's not just the fuck-you screeching of some adolescent, angry fool. it's out there & it's right. & we're waiting for more. waiting.
Name: Actually
Broadway duchess@ Wash.DC
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 16:20:44
Comments:
Anne-
pretrentious to the point of naivete' !
This voice modulation obsession of your is misplaced
with Donald Fagen, and if you would learn some history and gain some perspective and.......
then listen to the music, well most importantly , listen to the MUSIC,Anne - Donald IS doing exactly what he wants for those songs and I think you have not given his voicing; even going back
to the early albums, enough credit as the voicing lies in the context of the rest of the MUSIC.To talk about the presumed - sophistication - is to make a LARGE presumption when it comes to Don - & Gay Katz for that matter.
Thus this discussion is ultimately sterile,urbane,pretentious,presumptuous, naive and, ultimately, specious.
Other than that -
Live& Let Live
Name: Altamira (formerly Anne Thomas)
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 16:07:34
Comments:
GK John - OK, I have come up with a new name - I think it suits me since the first three letters are my initials. I do tend to be awfully formal, but I'm a DC native and we often act that way. I still think I want to hang around, you all seem to be a bunch of intriguing people.
Ruby Baby - You might want to consider the advice given to me by my voice teacher - record your singing and listen to it critically. You can't hear your own voice accurately while you're singing since you hear the vibrations inside your head as well as the sound coming from your mouth. I was appalled the first time I listened to a tape of myself singing. Practice doesn't have to make permanent if you know what you want to correct and figure out how to do it.
Fagen's singing has been quite a revelation to me since I am used to a completely different style; it's a mentally broadening experience to learn to appreciate something different (of course, I've been listening to Steely Dan on and off for years, but not with the more intense attention I do now).
zavior - I really like Charo; she's fun and so energetic. I've read that in the town where she lives, there's a street named for her.
Clas - Thanks again. Actually, this isn't quite the name my parents gave me - when I was little, I was called "Anna Louise," which I just hated. I cut it down to "Anne" when I was nine.
Yes, you should sing with your stomach, not your throat; that is, you should use your abdominal muscles to breath and keep the throat muscles loose.
Name: Not without
the Phezon
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 13:53:24
Comments:
No I'm never gonna do it with a yarmulke
Oh no!That's what I am
Please understand
I want to eat a kosher ham
Name: Walter Brennan
chewin'
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 13:50:38
Comments:
Noobie: It takes ya a long time ta come up with a lame Kinky imeetation, don't it?
Name: Deputy Dawg
miranda rights of passage
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 13:27:17
Comments:
Newbie Police- I've got your back, man. Now go and get her.
Name: Newbie Police
get ready.. get set...
Location: FLAME....,
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 13:05:07
Comments:
Ann Thomas-- Don't make yourself at home just yet.
Name: GK John
Who are these morons who scheme & run wild?
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 11:47:18
Comments:
Yanno, Sometimes it sux not posting from Friday to Monday...
A belated Happy Mother's Day out there...
Welcome Anne. I could see that you'll probably be able to hold your own here, judging from your first couple of posts. You do, however, need a GB name, not that Anne Thomas isn't a pretty name. It's just SO formal! And besides, you being in DC and all, folks might think you're related to Clarence! We can't have that now, could we? You don't have to do it right away. I mean, after all, you should lurk a while and make sure you don't cop someone else's name (Just don't use Babs, it's the Haitian Divorce negativity thing, you see) and REALLY decide if you want to hang around.
One more word... Watch that Clas guy, it may seem like he's hitting on you but,he just has this three-dot thing.Muzzwell- Thanks for the enlightenment! Um, did it ever occur to you and your other mates from Oz that maybe DF was fitting the name into a song by changing it a wee bit phonetically? Sorry, I went and ruined another damned fine argument!
Mu-Doc- Amazing! Your range and taste in music is astounding. I had the pleasure of meeting Chuck Leavell at a backstage party at my college a number of years ago. In addition to the Allman Brothers and Sea Level, he did albums and guest appearances with the Dixie Dregs, The Marshall Tucker Band, Charlie Daniels and Atlanta Rhythym Section to name a few. By far and away "Cats" was the most innovative work on his resume'.
Geena- Sempre un piacere!
Name: RubyBaby
water2wine@aol.com
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 11:24:04
Comments:
Anne: Hey, the MP3 site was recommended to me for a different reason: a proud papa was showing me his son's most recent accomplishments. The kid can play!thanks for the voice talk. It makes sense. I'm trying to learn to sing by feel, since I can't hear myself correctly anyway. I will concentrate on the placement and keeping the *line* going. The scary thing is this: Practice does not make perfect, it makes permanent.
I love to hear Donald Fagen sing. I think he expands the technique enough to gain expression without throwing it away. He's the salt of the music to me.
rb
Name: Doc Kelly
Here at the Dude Ranch
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 10:18:01
Comments:
Dr. Mu: I saw Chuck Leavell about a month ago. He is alive and well playing keyboards for the Rolling Stones. You know how Sea Level got it's name? His keyboard equipment's road cases were all stenciled: C. Leavell
Name: OMIO
otr
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 10:01:19
Comments:
Hey, where's that GB obituary poster now? I see y'all left New Orleans standing when you left.. Slick move.. Lull them with Good Behavior..
Re: Chemical Controversies.. From my own (& some other Unamed but Obviously Knowlegeable People's) experience, Alcohol is about the worst drug out there.. Violence, rape, murder, brain damage, birth defects.. Great stuff if you want to act like a British Soccer Fan.. Funny thing is, Britain handles their junkies in a much more sensible way.. Garica died pretty miserably.. Look at the photos of him in the last year of his life.. The Joy Of Junk.. All those Brits got a different sort of treatment & are still out there playing, without being demonized by a bunch of bourbon sucking politicians with a Drug War boner..
GB Greetings: Welcome To The Monkeyhouse! They Hoot, They Howl, They Hurl Unspeakable Stuff At Each Other.. Naw, only a couple do that.. Don't let it bug you.. Some of these folks don't live in Gun-Rack country, where yelling like a New York cab driver will get you a good old Redneck butt-whuppin'.. Simple Courtesy is considered a personal weakness when you have nothing to lose by being rude.. (he said, leaning back in his rocking chair on the porch, plunking his banjo & grinning a toothless grin..)
"...You Are Still An Outlaw In Their Eyes.."
Name: zavior
Nougot
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 07:57:46
Comments:
hey what ever happen to charo?
There was one busty gal.
why did she never do any sessions with SD.
great guitar player!!
rosie vela - I want to be your fella!
Andy sipowicz
Name: zippy
doodah
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 07:50:23
Comments:
George martin is a god. He is probably the third beatle not the 5th
jk
pancakes still suck
Name: zippy
doodah
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 07:47:26
Comments:
And what the hell does ravel know - he's been posting here as drMu . . . Who has a collection of bill pascador's underware in his scrap book!
medical science is a toss off!
All walter writes about is drug addictions and we aren't allowed to mention it!
jk
pancakes suck
Name: muzwell brook
mibondi@one.net.au
australia
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 06:27:29
Comments:
hi from australia - in these dark times 'ancestral voices prophesying war' have been coming out of the woodwork and conversation around the dinner table runs all the way from 'king of the world' to 'black friday'(set as,you know, in my stomping ground) . I was dissappointed to to see that the boys didn't do their research on the latter because it's pronounced MUSCLEBROOK (and I thought they were so thorough). Ther were right about one thing though - there's bugger all to do there.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 05:32:19
Comments:
A rather humorous ariticle on PCWorld online about web based email accounts - one of the reasons they say you should have them is: "And they're invaluable for correspondence you'd just as soon keep out of your corporate account--job-hunting inquiries, the flood of messages from your Steely Dan mailing list, and so forth." I never realized that the Steely Dan mailing list was that popular or ever considered a flood. Outre' Daniel, Steely Dan. It's growing.
http://www.pcworld.com:80/current_issue/article/0,1212,10613+2+0,00.html
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 at 01:38:12
Comments:
Anne Thomas - your parents must have been very happy when they gave you such a lovely name.
I heard Houston once said that her mom told her to sing with her stomach, never with the throat.
Lisa - I remember in a kind of shady hazy smoke (!) that I saved you girls from some Danish Marines, is that right? Or was it the other way around?
RubyBaby - no, that's not Becker.
Name: TheStranger
savaged by puncutation
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 22:32:07
Comments:
i think some of us have just been called thoughtless assholes by someone who signed his/her name as . (dot). listen, dot, i've been called worse names by entire exclamation points. what are you trying to do? get on becker's good side? you think he cares about your pathetic blabbering? go watch television where you belong. or give a big kiss to richard gere's gerbil.
didn't anybody remember to wish the mothers happy mother's day? TheStranger remembered.
Name: Anne Thomas
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 21:46:29
Comments:
Regarding Bolero, although it is a pleasant piece, one must keep in mind that Ravel had said that he didn't consider it a real piece of music, just an exercise. It never develops; it just repeats - only the orchestration changes.
To Again and Again - I am sorry; as I mentioned, I'm used to listservs, where it is considered polite to quote what one is referring to. I had written that I want to find out how things are done here, for it is a different sort of forum. Now that I know, I will do what is expected. Please be understanding - I had said that this is something new for me, but that I wanted to do the right thing, and now that I know what it is, I will do it. I surely didn't mean to insult anyone here, I'm just used to a different set of rules. I can adapt to typing in the information every time I post, and you can be grateful that you don't have to read my sig line promoting my home business that would appear at the bottom of my posts if this were a mailing list.
Also, I have been reflecting a bit and I realize that I have been guilty of something I have seen others do on lists I belong to - immediately making suggestions about changing things that you all are comfortable with. Please forgive me; this was rude and insensitve of me; I will do better in the future.
Hmm, I haven't seen much flaming yet, compared to some other lists, but then I'm sure it will pop up later.
Ruby Baby - I visited the MP3 site and didn't see anything about Walter Becker, was I looking in the wrong place?
Regarding demo recordings - I do have Android Warehouse, and the difference in singing style is quite noticable.
The connection between singing technique and physiology mostly concerns resonation space - throat, mouth, sinuses, etc. People's vocal chords are pretty much the same, but the shape of the space in which the sound is resonated is primarily what determines the sound of the voice. I don't think temperament is much of a factor and ability to focus would have the same effect as it would on any other art form. On the other hand, stress level can greatly affect a person's singing - it tends to cause tightening of the throat and mouth muscles, which makes the voice less resonanat, and it can also make the vocal chords tighter, which will cause the person to sing sharp. Best of luck with your future vocal training; it can be tremendously helpful.
I found Dr. Mu's comments on jazz-related phrasing most enlightening. I have been listening to Fagen's singing while keeping this in mind, and I am hearing him in a whole different way - I'm hearing a level of expression in the music that I hadn't noticed before. And yes, this is done in opera also; next time I listen to the Saturday opera program on the radio, I'll keep this in mind and listen for this type of phrasing.
I haven't heard Mark Knopfler for many years, but I did notice that he seemed to convey the meaning of the text quite well. Also, depsite his lack of sining ability, I did like his voice, but then I'm quite partial to baritones.
Clas - Thanks for the welcome. I'm glad you like my name, however, since it is rather common (or, as I prefer, popular), I ususally use my middle initial, but I try to be a bit less formal on-line.
Name: DrMu
never got a dinner
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 19:10:57
Comments:
jk: I've heard the demo. Awesome production - great keys, real nice sax. Hope the new one *sounds* like it. But the song itself sucks, sorry all. The melody sounds like it was taken from one of those old Carson "stump the band" segments. If you like the lyrics, I can get you a great package deal at a downtown hotel in Belgrade. You can get there real fast strapped to the back of one of those new Chinese (our) missles. BTW, "Show Biz Kids" is a much better one chord song than "Tommorrow Never Knows", even though I'd have to give a big nod to George Martin's production, which probably includes a few ideas from Paul.
Favorite Dan or solo songs never officially released by the duo or on solo project in the US:
• Second Arrangement
• Kulee Baba
• Can't Write Home About You
• Big Noise, New York
• Medical Science (released in Japan on 11 TOW)hon. mention to Sail The Waterway (would sound great updated)
Name: yaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa
mulover
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 18:18:22
Comments:
Hey mu. For your information Fall of 92 was recorded in the studio by (it seems) the 93 sd touring band. And it appears on an obscure promo cd from walter's cd with book and hard up. It is the single most important song released in the 90's, and it points the way for all music in the 21st century.
In fact it is in the top 4 songs ever written.
1. Is that all there is - peggy lee.
2. tomorrow never knows - beatles
3. bolero - ravel
4. fall of 92 (Written and produced by becker/fagen)
5. Plop plop fizz fizz ( from the alka seltzer commercial)
jk
mu probably creams over wetside story???!!!! (from the sound track "soccer mom - the movie"
Name: Again
and Again
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 13:10:00
Comments:
Anne,
Stop wasting so much precious bandwidth by cutting and pasting others posts, don't insult us, we can all read and can follow along.
In response to your question about stepping on toes, yes you are. Get used to this place if you want to stop by and stop being so lazy, it takes a few seconds to type in your name and email address. Do you go into someone's house and tell them you don't like the way they set up their living room furniture?
And welcome, be prepared to purchase an asbestos thermasuit, you'll need it for when the flames begin to get hot.
Name: Ruby Baby
just don't c@ll me late 4 dinner...
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 12:52:55
Comments:
Clas: I just got that note with the MP3.com site. I'll look at it soon & let you know how it goes.
I don't believe for a minute that .. is Mr. Walter Becker, do you?Oleander: I like your description of this web site vs. reading your personal e-mail. I wouldn't want to change a thing, either! Your web site is fantastic, too. I go there from time to time. It's very inspirational. I climb outside of *the box* when I'm there.
AnneT: your comments (and Dr.Mu's) on DF's vocals are interesting. Usually, the music or the lyrics are discussed here, with very little being said about vocal technique. If you really want to hear an astounding difference, get one of the older *demo* cds, like "The Roaring of The Lamb" or "Old Regime." It will blow you away!
How would you describe the connection between one's singing techinique and say, their physiology, their temperment, their ability to focus, their stress level, etc? I took some vocal classes and had to stop for a while due to financial stuff, but I was just beginning to become consistant. I wasn't in it long enough to quite *get it*. I'm not giving up, just a minor set-back & hurdle to overcome.rb (aka - Rona Barrett)
Name: DrMu
. ... ..... ....... ........... .............
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 11:50:27
Comments:
Dr. Cage: Thanks for the reminder about Chuck Leavell. I remember Sea Level quite well. He and Jai Johanny Johansson left the Allman Bros. to form Sea Level sith Jimmy Nalls and Randall Bramblett. They were set up like the Allmans with dueling lead guitars solid bass, drums, and percussion. The first album I remeber Cats on the Coast had a fusion feel, more jazzy than the Allmans. Chuck Leavell indeed plays a solid rhythm fender or piano, but could break out into runs that remind me of Joe Sample (even though not quite as smooth - who is? Midnight Pass is a really nice song. After that with On the Edge, Long Walk on a Sort Pier, etc. they became more pop priented and less succesful going for a cross between the Allmans, Ambrosia, Dan, Toto, Little Feat and Le Roux. On the Edge has a touch of Royal Scam. Saw them in '78 after Cats came out. They were tight as hell. Saw them again in '80 as their popularity was waning, and they were just going through the motions. Whatever happened to Chuck Leavell? - did he have some solo efforts after that? lost track.
Anne T: As you guessed in jazz and to a lesser extent with rock and pop, ther's more than singing on note and meter. This kind of phrasing is best exemplified in popular artists by Frank Sinatra and Barbara Streisand. An artist will change the pace and volume as he/she feels appropriate to set the right mood or feel. They may start singing a word or phrase half a beat ahead or behind where it is written, and may elongate or cut off the note later or sooner than written, or may simply provide emphasis or demphasize on a word/phrase by modulating volume. Donald Fagen does this quite well, especially when it cones to comic twists or sarcasm. For example, in "Throw Back the Little Ones" from Katy Lied, he sings the line "use tact, poise, and reason and gently squeeze them..." and starts the word "squeeze" a slightly late on purpose and stretches it out on the "e" so it comes out "ssqueeeeeezzze" with "them" starting even later and stretched out as well. There are numerous other examples in their work (probably in just about every song).
With this kind of phrasing, the music then takes on a more intimate, emotional, conversational, and dramatic quality. i'm sure this is common in opera, though I don't listen to much. Quincy Jones recently commented that this kind of phrasing seems to be innate in artists. Either they have it or they don't. He's produced a lot of artists including Michael Jackson. In his most famous song, Billy Jean, the one-gloved pevert (oh, I'm sorry... personal opinions and judgments about the lives of others is not allowed here) sings "her name was Billy Jean, and she caused a scene" Here Michael Jackson starts "and she caused a scene" a little earl with a bit more staccato to give the line much more tension.
This type of phrasing is really independent of tonal quality or natural rhythm. For instance, Mark Knopfler can barely sing, but has great phrasing, in that kind of way (not sure that's a helpful example for you).
Ole: That was funny. Fact of the matter is despite the human tendency for what I call "The Titanic Syndrome" when we feel we have a handle on something, science is more like the five blind men and the elephant. Even though landmark studies do happen occasionally, tt takes a whole chunk of literature to stand back and assess the patterns emerging from the jigsaw puzzle.
Physicians are known for stubborn insistance of treatments. It's too bad for those victims of the midieval practice, even today, of complete immobilization (casts) following joint or bone injuries. Add 3-12 months or longer to reahb as the material properties of connective tissues are shot to hell. Critical parts of this literature are now 25+ years old! Damn, can't put up stress-strain curves here. Thanks goodness for aircasts (they're pretty too) and arthroscopic surgery (look what hapens when you get together German, American, and Japanese engineers and researchers)...I see the sand in my egg-timer is gone...
Name: Clas
again
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 11:19:37
Comments:
And "." - "So in one breath you admit it's gossip, and then in the next breath you sanctimoniously presume the gossip is true."
Couldn't gossip be true? Is that what you're saying?
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 11:14:53
Comments:
Sad Fan - respect? Why? IF it was WB I wouldn't give a shit.
RubyBaby - did you get that email today from me? About MP3 or whatever?
Name: not .
or ..
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 10:47:33
Comments:
. + .. = ...
rock on, Clas.
Name: Sad
Fan
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 09:40:13
Comments:
Clas,
Hint, hint.
.. = WB
Show some fucking respect.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 09:15:32
Comments:
Real Fan - don't fuck with me bitch! Shut up!
. - so you were around at that time? Then you also know that you're taking my "gossiping" out of its context. We had a discussion about masters and their masterpieces. Even with that half of brain you have I think you remember that. But do you remember what handle you used to use back then? No? I can tell: "R.O.C.K in the USA".
Anne Thomas - welcome. You have a lovely name.
Ohio - sorry, that was my revenge.
PS/Gaucho says hi.
Name: True Fan
hate putzes
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 08:31:41
Comments:
Real Fan - what's the matter with you, have you got an enormous hair crossing your ass? Is this the way you get your jollies off? Are you Walter Becker? Or are you just some frustrated armchair cyber warrior feeling brave behind your monitor? Oh pullleesse! Find something better to do, here, grab a lawn mower and mow your lawn or someone else's lawn, it's a great way to release that old shit that's been stuck up your ass for years.
Make an appointment with a Proctologist
Name: Not in NO
@could'ntmakeit
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 06:41:02
Comments:
So, Ole
you never apprised us of the attendance list!!
who did show up ?
Name: Real
Fan
Date: Sunday, May 9, 1999 at 06:29:21
Comments:
Ruby and Classhole,
You both owe Walter Becker a big fat apology. See ..'s post. Seems he's not oblivious to your attacks. You two pieces of shit should be ashamed to call yourself "fans."
St. Al: And you should be ashamed for letting these people spread rumors on you page. Becker should sue you for negligence.
Name: rythmatist
between the beat
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 23:44:21
Comments:
now, where were we?
Name: Doctor Cage
dr2241cage@mindless.com
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 23:23:01
Comments:
DrMu: Rhythm keyboardists exist, of course, as well as rhythm
guitarists. Rhythm on Wurlitzer, is tougher than on a Rhodes,
but, a B-3 is easiest. Chuck Leavell's acoustic piano style rules. His lead and rhythm electronic, (Rhodes part 'High Falls') is cool.
Oleander: Is the new Steely Dan album out in March, 2000?
Name: Anne Thomas
thomasal
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 22:45:20
Comments:
Hey, thanks for the welcome. I am enjoying this group. Now, I'm a little concerned about protocol - I'm used to listservs and I realize that you all may do things differently around here and I sure don't want to offend anyone, so please let me know if I'm stepping on any toes.Oleander wrote "-OK, call me set in my ways, but for me the GB is someplace I can go OUT to, the party I keep dropping in on, in contradistinction to my email, which is INSIDE my personal space. (Does anyone else make this kind of invidious cyberdistinction?) Tinkering with distance and conception of place would make me REALLY neurotic." I guess I'm just lazy; I'm a member of a number of lists and I'm used to everything popping up in my e-mail. It's not that difficult to find this website and check the messages, so I'll just get used to it. I just wish there were some way that the posting page could be configured so that I don't have to enter all my information every time I post.
Dr. Mu wrote "Welcome. This is a wild joint. Observant thoughts about those changes in Donald's vocal style without disturbing the quality. He always had that disticnt phrasing." Hmm, well, in the classical tradition, there is only good phrasing and bad phrasing. Good phrasing involves maintaining the musical line; basically, connecting one word to the next and not breaking up syllables, and Fagen does quite well in this respect. In the jazz idiom, of which I am woefully ignorant, there may be other aspects of phrasing of which I am not aware. " I hear 2 "upgrades" so to speak. With Katy Lied his voice does become clearer and more resonant. Quitting the tour treadmill probably didn't hurt. Then at the beginning of his solo career with "True Companion" (from the movie Heavy Metal - can be found on SD-Gold Expanded Edition) and The Nightfly, there's a real "ring" to his voice." This may be similar to the classical vocal term "bloom," which involves greater resonance and a touch of vibrato. It's a vocal technique that can be easily learned, and it brings much warmth and personal presence to a voice. "The vocals on True Companion, short as they may be, are possibly Mr. Fagen's most powerful." That sounds like something I should hear, since I really do enjoy Fagen's singing; I'll have to buy that Gold CD.
Regarding Becker's supposed drug use, this whole thing is tacky as hell and I'd wish you all would drop it, but there is one thing I'd like to comment on. Someone whose name is not mentioned wrote "And the guy's got kids, you know." Well, yes, I can understand where his having children might make any supposed irresponsible behavior on his part more complicated, for it would affect others, but still, I am bothered by the implication that his having children should somehow make us more concerned about this alleged behavior. Yes, affecting others would be bad, but he is a person deserving of respect and concern in his own right, and even if he didn't have children, we should still be concerned if he were doing something that was bad for him. It's just that I am bothered by society's tendency to value people who have children more than those who don't; each person's life is important in and of itself, whether they have children or not. Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
Name: Real
Fan
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 22:33:34
Comments:
Mr . .
The majority of the people on this guestbook are cunts and dicks. Just ignore them. You're better than them.
Name: oleander
I don't either
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 20:39:06
Comments:
astro--wow. If that's real, it would be something to see.
BigFan--unfortunately, the gold would probably be lost on me. Mu has been trying to school my ear with only patchy success.
Mu--Damn scientists! Always waffling! Not like doctors. Get back to work!
Clas--That was pretty good. You should also tell them you can't hold onto it.
Stranger--In "Gravity's Rainbow," there's a vignette of a giant adenoid which terrorizes London, all mucoid and shapeless, which befits a gland which lives at the business end of snot.
Anne T--OK, call me set in my ways, but for me the GB is someplace I can go OUT to, the party I keep dropping in on, in contradistinction to my email, which is INSIDE my personal space. (Does anyone else make this kind of invidious cyberdistinction?) Tinkering with distance and conception of place would make me REALLY neurotic.
., " ,""Waltdog," Ruby, Stranger, et al.: I care too, though I don't know precisely why. Probably a healthy aliquot of self-interest, since I wouldn't want my foibles magnified & speculated about, or imagined for me. And the music makes you do funny things. Yes, famous people de facto lay themselves open for voyeurism, but they themselves have a choice as to how they deal with it. You have your Madonnas and Jeff Koons, and then you have your Walter Beckers & Donald Fagens, who have steadfastly toiled to keep themselves and their lives away from the public leer except through their art (and rare lapses like the Dancam). I think such people are giving a clear message, and that it's up to me to get it and respect it. Nobody called me a while ago when I said, "Bring on the tabloid shit!" I was being flippant. I have no interest in any whether there are any lurid details. I've got enough snakes in my own basement, thank you. And I do know what transference is, but I'm not clear on how you're seeing it happen.
Name: DrMu
fl@t h@t
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 18:46:37
Comments:
Anne T: Welcome. This is a wild joint. Observant thoughts about those changes in Donald's vocal style without disturbing the quality. He always had that disticnt phrasing. I hear 2 "upgrades" so to speak. With Katy Lied his voice does become clearer and more resonant. Quitting the tour treadmill probably didn't hurt. Then at the beginning of his solo career with "True Companion" (from the movie Heavy Metal - can be found on SD-Gold Expanded Edition) and The Nightfly, there's a real "ring" to his voice. The vocals on True Companion, short as they may be, are possibly Mr. Fagen's most powerful.
.: Generally, the GB has had little interest in Mr Fagen or Becker's personal lives or at most mild interest (which is one of the attractions of this board if you can stand the chaos). Heck, if you really want to dig for clues, they are scattered among the solo albums. Your obsessing over Ruby's faux pas once it had been properly pointed out, has not been helpful, but counterproductive - just as overcoverage of an event on the network and cable news has proven time and time again. Next time please use your usual bogus persona or even real name...or I swear I'll draw a picture of a gun and point it at the monitor.
Name: .
.
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 15:15:50
Comments:
ruby -&127; you say to wb: "I'm sorry I gossiped about you. I hope you lay off the &127;*partying* for your own sake". So in one breath you admit it's gossip, and then in the next breath you sanctimoniously presume the gossip is true. Another &127;awesome demonstration of brainpower. Oh yeah, you're&127; exactly the sort of girl wb would LOVE to have a zinger with - if only he drank more than 3 times a year.
(cl)ass - yes indeed, it was long ago that you started (and restarted; and restarted; and restarted) lots of sensational gossip about wb. I recall with special fondness the story you lovingly told about his bust in the 70s for giving&127;cocaine to an underage girl "companion". Only several weeks (and many blowhard posts) later did you happen to remember that the event was actually from the life of Don Henley. Oops! Oh well! No harm done, right? And besides, like stranger said, "if walt becker didn't want ugly rumors spread about him he shouldn't &127;have become a star". I agree: with "fans" like this, maybe he should again decide it's just not worth the bullshit, and go back to the obscurity and privacy he chose during most of the 80s.
scarlotte: Another winner heard from. The exact number of police departments that have wb's signature on file: 0.
Live&LetLive: Your math is almost correct: 100% of posts about wb's lifestyle are 100% bullshit. I guess because the poor shit was an addict for part of the 70s he will forevermore inspire projective fantasies of depravity and excess. Maybe his real sin was in getting and staying straight -- he'd probably get more sympathetic respect if he were still a junkie.
I don't suppose I should care, but I most definitely do. And the guy's got kids, you know. Yeah, it's a free country. But it would be a nice touch if all you patriots tried not to be such thoughtless assholes.
Name: Mephistopheles
Eternal Furnace
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 12:15:01
Comments:
God Damn it, where is my Zamboni?
Name: Anne Thomas
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 11:49:29
Comments:
I'm sorry; I meant that Donald Fagen had moved *away* from placing his voice in his throat, not *toward*.
Name: Anne Thomas
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 11:44:11
Comments:
Hey! I'm delighted to be a part of this group. I normally listen only to classical music, especially late 19th- and 20th-century choral, and Steely Dan is the only popular music I like. I've admired them for about 25 years now; I greatly appreciate their strong devotion to producing music of the best quality. I've been enjoying reading the posts on this list and I'm glad I have finally figured out how to post. However, I have been wondering if there is any possiblity of turning this into a genuine mailing list, so that all the reading and posting could be done by way of e-mail. It would certainly facilitate discussion, since posting and reading would be vastly easier. Sites like e-groups make setting up a mailing list quite easy; has the manager of this site ever looked into this?
Best wishes,
Anne Thomas
P.S. - I have been trained as a classical singer (soprano), and I've noticed that Donald Fagen has moved toward placing his voice in his throat, which gives a warmer, fuzzier sound, to placing in his head (that would provide what is considered an adenoidal sound), which gives a brighter sound. BTW, although his voice might not be welcomed in a choral setting, it is appropriate to the sort of music Steely Dan does, and I've noticed on his solo albums he's gotten a bit more creative in his use of vocal techniques. He has a limited instrument, but he uses it well, in keeping with his usual high musical standards.
Name: RubyBaby
I Got The News! notnotNOT
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 11:35:41
Comments:
Geena: I can just picture you in a Fran Drescher flower power bath robe...with that mischievious sparkle in your eyes that says, " I'm going to flash you when you least expect it!"(If seen a photo of her, people. She's the picture of Fran, but way better!)
Walter Becker: I'm sorry I gossiped about you. I hope you lay off the *partying* for your own sake, but it's your life.
While we're on that subject, I've heard many things about you over the years. Some great, some so-so. There's probably a grain of truth to all of itl. But I'll never know unless we meet & spend time together - which I'm sure will happen when hell starts importing zambonies... Just let me know when they do, ok? (now you owe me a zinger)
. : I had no idea that I was dropping a juicy one onto the table. Usually, I'm the last to know anything! I was just checking to see if anyone else heard it, but I was never going to mention it again.
The town paper, which shall remain un-named, would love to get a juicy headliner like this: "Musician Takes Drugs!"
Not 6 months ago, it printed the headline, "Smoking Linked to Cancer!"
A couple summers ago I saw the following on the front page, "Higher Temperatures Bring Rise in Air Conditioner Use."Of course, it's not the NYTimes...
rb
Name: DrMu
with a rubber hose
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 11:00:14
Comments:
Stranger: listen to Donald's singing and you'll find the location of the adenoids
Ole: my dear, I let you get away with an NRA (reading only part of the 2nd ammendment). See clause between the commas. I didn't actually need to take a step back.
Maybe only the men were from Mars, right? that could be a book...nah"So, until we find out more, modern humans appeared out of nowhere a short time ago and haven't changed very much since and aren't now."
Name: TheStranger
Fell asleep during the adenoid class
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 10:22:38
Comments:
dr. mu,
i'm not sure how my mention of an alleged gerbil up richard gere's butt got you lecturing on the origin of the species & bucktoothed fossils, but what the hell, it's never too late to learn.geena,
i love nuyawk accents. what's an adenoid anyway? does it make you smart, rich, worldly, sweet, or attractive? where is it? has it got anything to do with a pancreas? i had to dissect a rat in college, but i don't remember the adenoid. let me look through some old bottles. anyway, you're a deranged sexy dame.
Name: DrMu
I mean it this time
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 08:23:06
Comments:
SP: Home at Last...YES!! Fall of '92?? - gotta be the worst song they never recorded...I'll go with my 2 staples of YGTII and Dr. Wu to complete my list of 3 (today)
Ole: package being mailed on Monday
Name: DrMu
one last thing
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 08:18:24
Comments:
fezo: Q: pick which 2 out the following 4 songs Harrison wrote while on acid.
a. Blue Jay Way
b. Taxman
c. Within/Without You
d. SomethingNot too hard, is it?
A: a and c if you're on acid now
Name: sp
yo
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 08:13:48
Comments:
maybe harrison should have said no. He's turned into a conservative old grouch.
Certainly gaucho is in the top 3 dan tunes
gaucho
fall of 92 ( definately a dan tune-credited under wb's name)
Home at last
??
I was hoping for a new SD CD before the end of the world but with the deployment of our ground troops and both russia and china pissed at us forget it. saay goodnight gracie!
Name: DrMu
200 solemn faces
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 08:13:31
Comments:
BigFan: I saw the same thing on the CDNow site this morning. can...hang...on...one...more...week
Clas: yes, they drive at 20 mph with the left blinker on continuously
Name: scarlotte pumpernel
yo
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 08:06:34
Comments:
To that person who wanted to check the authenticity of the signatures: there are several police departments you could check with for walter's.
"Kiss my ass" - ben folds
Name: fezo
idontcarewhatyoudoathome
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 07:41:31
Comments:
started the day listening to Gaucho. then again. then again. it has to be up there on the list of top SD songs. Not sure if there's any better intro hook than the sax at the beginning. And then it resurfaces later. And the piano. And the background singers. And DF's vocal, managing to sound pissed and sarcastic simultaneously throughout . . .
on the subject of a artist and drugs . . . years ago George Harrison was promoting one of his solo efforts, doing a live interview on some CBS show during the height of the "Just Say No" fervor. The conversation (of course) quickly went to a rehash of The Beatle years, and George was asked the rumours of the bands drug use during that time. He replied matter-of-factly something like "I can't speak for the rest of the guys, but yeah,
I did some acid. Interviewer looked at little startled, then tried to put a positive spin on the revelation "But only once or twice, right George, and you regret it now, right?" "On no, George replied with a stoner smile, obviously enjoying the memory "I did it all the time. Wrote my best songs then too. I don't regret it at all"Quick cut to commercial.
Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 05:07:03
Comments:
Had a nice little email this morning from CDnow.com - seems the release date for the remastered Katy Lied has been moved to May 18, from May 11, however Pretzel Logic still says the release date is May 11 - go figure
Name: Clas
@
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 02:34:20
Comments:
dr mu - "an anthropologist at the University of Florida found fossils of buck-toothed horses, elephants, and rhinos who lived in Florida 5 million years ago."
Hey man, they still live there, at least when I was there 1980. They have blue hair and smoke cigars.
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Saturday, May 8, 1999 at 01:45:50
Comments:
Oleander - "Can you describe the Squshy Dan to these fine people?" Yes I can. It's a rubberaquarium. And you can't have in your pantspocket while walking down the street. At least not Bourbon Street.
And about Rubys question, go back in the archives, I would guess a half a year, and you'll see who first "gossiped".
And to you who call yourself ".", I'd liked it better if your handle was "...".
Name: DrMu
40,000 years later
Date: Friday, May 7, 1999 at 23:23:59
Comments:
O: poetic license. It's a mystery. It also allow a sliver of possiblity for instantaneous creationism, even though I'm skeptical. More of a strange para-physical evolution I'd like to know what happened before our original "herd." Did we flush Java man or just take his coffee? The 10K problem is that there's was not much of a bottle neck...lesse, Mars had water, more air, pumps and pearls...did they have Steely Dan or at least Kamakiriad?
Name: oleander
you've got to shake it
Date: Friday, May 7, 1999 at 22:36:46
Comments:
faiseaux--of course. We also have honorarily changed the spelling of your name to befit the setting.
Geena, Ruby--Um, the Squshy Dan.... Maybe you should ask Clas.
Clas--Oh yeah? You'd make a shitty woman! But you make a very handsome if impatient man. Can you describe the Squshy Dan to these fine people?
Mock--is the answer to both the same?
Mu--is "out of nowhere" really fair? Isn't it just that no link has been found that's conclusive? Schwinn, does that mean that we crash-landed from Mars 50k years ago? How else could there have "suddenly" been 10k in the gene pool? It's no surprise to me that no apparent evolution has happened in 2K years--there's been no real pressure to. Interesting that, considering the genetic leap viewpoint, there haven't been major mutations during that time--or have there?
In a Gaucho mood....
Name: DrMu
your mama's gotta mighty mitochondria
Date: Friday, May 7, 1999 at 22:16:28
Comments:
Stranger: Gerbils are indeed rodents as are beavers (but I heard Richard's afraid of that species). The ASPCA should have been upset as rodents are the mostly closely related order of mammals to primates. Supposedly, fossil records indicate a common ancestor for rodents and primates 25 million years ago or so.
But then those darn molecular biologists have to come in and monkeyed up Darwinism, whoese linear theories couldn't stand up to complexity theory predictions anyway. In other words, evoldution at best has been a very discontinuous and explosive process rather than "survival of the fittest" which is important in extinction or odysse