At the risk of wrath from the musicians I think I'll rescind my captiluation re: Bad Sneakers. The rhythm, pace and chords under the guitar solo are different enough that I think it qualifies as a bridge, not over the river Kwai...and where's that bass? ba bum - dumm, ba bum - dumm, ba da dum da duh dum ba da dum ba...in the verse and outtro note the piano chords on the dumms and dums (Hey, is that technical or what?)
Hey, what do you think is the MOST UNDERRATED Dan recording? I'll argue for Rose Darling. 3 guitar themes with (Hugh McCracken?) on right channel acoustic guitar, Dean Parks with right channel and solo electric, and Carlton?? in the left channel accents. Omartian arpeggios..but it's Procaro drivin' the mutha home. He really takes the bull by the horns on that one. Check out the sneaky in the verses - . There's more there than most folks think...
For those critics and superficial Dan listeners, I would go with Gaucho - the title track. The believers though know it's greatness
I didn't know that George Harrison funded "Life of Brian" I find it a very funny movie. I'd love to have a poster or T-shirt made of Brian on the cross with a quote from Groucho Marx "Death is easy, comedy is hard."
Just the night before last I was in a store and about to leave when Harrison's "I've Got My Mind Set On You" came on the speakers and I lingered just to hear the song. I think the video for that one is just adorable.
:) -- you must be psychic to know that you almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left you before you met or did the psychic that asked your name tell you?
.Obiwan. -- Sorry I forgot to post the last time. Oldtimer, old-school. Got it, about the time you left. I think you might have turned me on to ICQ years ago but we never ICQed. Chat later sometime?
Amanda -- Welcome!
Dragon
Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change.
I dont have a solution, but I admire the problem.
If things get any worse I'll have to ask you to stop
helping me.
A fool and his money are soon partying.
If one sychronized swimmer drowns do the rest have
to drown too?
If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?
I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me
before we met.
I intend to live forever...so far, so good.
24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case, coincidence?
If you choke a smurf what color does it turn?
Why do psychics have to ask you for your name?
For Sale: Parachute. Only used Once. Never opened.
Small stain.
What is the speed of dark?
All those who believe in psychokenesis raise my hand.
Finally a chance to use the computer for a non-work related activity. Bumming on the news of Harrison's passing. Few friends are on their way over for some drinks and a little Beatle music. I realized I only have Harrison's All Things Must Pass on vinyl which I have no way to play...
Bob: I hear you. It's not a fun thought knowing we're (probably) going to witness the passing of many of our music idols over the coming years. I've got to say the passing of Jerry Garcia has had the most affect on me. A little part of me died the day he passed. It sucks.
On a lighter note... I've contacted the hosting company that hosts this site and they've acknowledged they are having problems with DNS and are "working quickly to resolve it." I'm going to hang on for a while and see what happens. It's a MAJOR hassle to move this thing again and I'd like to avoid it if I can. Hopefully you won't experience anymore site outages, but if you do, please wait for a while and it'll come back. Stay tuned...
StAl
Oh well...
This is me...No I'm not wearing a bikini...
chat anyone?
For any other Neil Finn fans out there: the US/Canada release date for the LIVE "7 Worlds" CD AND DVD is 26th February 2002. The studio album "On Nil," a hit in Australia and Britain, will be available at last in North America, and with extra tracks!, around April 23rd.
Here comes the moon...
Sail away George.
I heard my favorite Harrison recording "Something," the classic pop ballad from Abbey Road on the way home. Paul's bass voicings and George MArtin's brilliant production were perfect for the song. It would have been wonderful if George and Paul could have contributed to his solo albums. Many of George's tunes were really unique in structure and rhythm mixing east and west. A good showcase for his songwriting was the way, way underrated eponymous album from 1978 with the classic Blow away. George hadn't recorded for a few years after the death of a friend on the racing circuit. It's a set of gorgeous tunes. I guess since the tone of the album was mellow and the lyrics were straightforward to childlike (in the best sense), the album wasn't taken seriously by the critics and sails flagged. I wore out my original cassette tape last year, but have found the album impossible to obtain on CD. Perhaps this gem will be un-earthed again and enjoyed...
The Amen Corner is blank white, if this is a 'moment of silence' Blaise, I applaud you. Well done.
I play women's pro tackle football for the Memphis Maulers.www.memphismaulers.org
Just heard the news. Such a shame, but I guess we have to accept it. I have always felt that George's compositions are very special. His Beatle's songs are are up there with the best of that group's in my opinion and he certainly influenced their later development in a large way. He did predict that he wouldn't live that long some months ago. I thought he was joking. The joke was on me. RIP George Harrison.
Jaydubz - Hopefully I'll find your 'phone number somewhere, and will give you a call.
Cheers
Mr Chow.
God bless you, George...
Just saw Skunk Baxter on CNN a few minutes ago. He commented that he felt the Beatles saved American music from turning into oatmeal and that they were more powerful than any nuclear bomb.
George, and theboys, in my opinion, saved music.
Jimbo
(ashamed to have Fabian living in my town)
Just saw on Fox News - folks are singing Beatles songs in Central Park. Nice.
..it's gonna take a lot of lovin'...
Farewell George.
Say hello to John.
Give me love
Give me love
Give me peace on earth
Give me light
Give me life
Keep me free from birth
Give me hope
Help me cope, with this heavy load
Trying to, touch and reach you with,
heart and soul ...
Fare thee well, George.
/the Mam'zelle
while my guitar gently weeps..
hard to believe we were all discussing the Beatles this week.
Rest now George
Thanks for the music.
eLLe
;(
My sister is 50 -- 8 years older than me. I was pretty little when the Beatles broke but it still overwealmed me like a tidalwave. Later, I "evolved" into a metal head and began to think that George wasn't much of a guitar player. Talk about wrong. George is the epitome of tasteful guitar playing -- understated but powerful in simplicity. His influence on the Beatles sound I think has been overlooked (by the likes of me). The only good thing about this is that people like George never really leave -- they are embedded in our heads and thank God for it!
when we were fab
little known fact
George single handedly funded
Life of Brian, Time Bandits and Brazil
and went in with Zep and Tull to fund Grail
I'm a Christian, and I certainly enjoyed the joke that is LoB, many others never saw it that way
anyway, may George rest in peace
wt
Everything else can wait, but the search for God cannot wait, and love one another. -- George Harrison (1943-2001)
So long, and thanks for everything...
George Harrison was always my favorite Beatle.
All the Beatles were nice people, I think that
that was what attracted people to them...they
were charming, but George Harrison seemed to
have a depth of soul that surpassed his fellow
bandmates. The world lost a great musician today,
but beyond that, the world lost a really nice person.
RIP George. May you find the same peace that you
brought to so many.
It's so strange and sad when meaningful influences in your life are suddenly gone. Saw the Beatles in '65 and, needless to say, it was an incredible experience.
Had "My Sweet Lord" played at my wedding.
I guess....All Things Must Pass. We've lost a gentle soul.
Thanks George.
sh
Sad day in music.
I've been a Beatle fan for 22 years.
Let's pray that Paul and Ringo stick around a lot longer, especially
when they're 64.
love you too (Harrisongs 66)
these days just go so fast
you turn around it's past
you don't get time to hang a sign on me
Love me while you can
though I'm an old man
a lifetime is so short
a new one can't be bought
but what you got means such a lot to me
Make love all day long
make love singing songs
THere's people standing round
who'll screw you in the ground
they'll fill you in with all the sins you see
I'll make love to you
if you want me to
Sad news about George Harrison, but he has influenced so many millions of people in so many positive ways, I think we can look back over that and be thankful.
Clas: you're right about the subtle shift of bass notes between the verse chords in Bad Sneakers and the guitar solo chords. There is a difference there.
I play the verse chords a little differently: A6 D/A Bm7/A A6
There's a subtle change between the D/A chord (doesn't have a B in it) and the Bm7/A (has a B). Piano right hand voicings along the lines of AC#F#A for A6, ADF#A for D/A then BDF#A for Bm7/A.
In fact, doesn't the Bm7 chord in the verse actually have a B bass? (though the bass part walks up to this note via E, F# and A). If I was going to pick one chord for this, I think I'd go for Bm7 rather than Bm7/A.
Howard
A very sad and somber day......Rest in Peace George Harrison. The Beatles shall be playing on our desks today all day...
Aus
we were talking
about the space between us all....
woke up to the npr opening at 5
the first 6 words I never wanted to hear
former beatle george harrison has died....
flipped the dress code and wore my maroon Sgt Peppers t to the office in his honor
...and the time will come when you see we're all small
and life flows on within you and without you
If you believe there's a heaven,
Well you know they got a hell of a band...
Another gentle musical giant leaves us.
Rest easy St. George
6:30 EST......Chat? Anyone?
just on my way to work and I heard the news....
RIP George Harrison....the quiet one is gone.
Words cannot express my deep sadness when I learned about the passing of George Harrison. I just spent an hour with CNN.com and other linked articles about George. There is a Yahoo on-line chat that was transcribed from February 2001 in which an up-beat George talks about remastering his catalogue of material, releasing an album of new material and also the possibility of a world tour.
I realize that no one lives forever, but it is a little chilling and very unsettling to think that 2 Beatles are gone. Neither John nor George made it to "64". Ringo is the oldest Beatle and Paul is the third oldest (if they were all still living).
From Ringo and Paul's perspective, a lot of loss has been in their lives -- Stu Sutcliff, Brian Epstein, John, Linda McC, and now George. This grief is a very heavy load to bear.
I hope that the widespread knowledge of George's spirituality will allow many people the opportunity to be grateful for the many gifts that their lives has given them. And maybe act a little more kindly toward others.
Yesterday (and today) are very sad days. God Bless Us Everyone.
Steveedan
fuck
I thought i was ready for it
fuck
Almost burned down the house last night,
Had a rotten nights sleep,
Then,
I heard the news today Oh, Boy,
Thanks Mr Harrison for all the joy you brought us.
Duncan - just heard it too.
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Stilig Dan is the best Steely Dan cover band I have heard so far. They got the right attitude.
Go listen:
http://www.stiligdan.dk/
C
Bad news i'm afraid
George Harrison RIP
db
Bad news i'm afraid
George Harrison RIP
db
Bill - cool down man. Womans lib are a little ahead in Sweden. I just consider those kind of pics as an expression for female opression, just similar to, for ex, the Talibanes contempt for woman.
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dr Mu/SteeveDan - the solo in Bad Sneakers is played over the verse-chords; A6 - Bm7/A - Bm7/A - A6
but extended:
A6 - A6 - Bm7 - Bm7 - Bm7 - Bm7 - A6 - A6 (note, no A-bass under the Bm-chord)
Am I right or what? If you're saying I am wrong again, I go kill myself.
---
Blaisee - yeah, solid as the Brooklyn Bridge (or the movie queen, a face we've all have seen).
C
Flip, you do look really fine in that dress, but I've heard from Leroy that you hit the bottle pretty hard. So I'll just hold on to these coupons until Kruger shows up...
Dont you worry honey Dr. Flip Wilson will sho' nuff'
take those gift certificates. You just hand them
over here and lay you down on this coach and and tell
Dr. Flip all about it. So your momma was a bodyless-head
striptease artist in circus in Bombay? You dont say...
Great. More of those damn psychoanalysis gift certificates. Ever try to find a shrink that will take those suckers?
t
Steveedan: Yes, it did indeed rain this morning. Cold here, too.
The continuing saga of the stuck CD. When I booted up the computer this morning, it came out of the player, as if nothing had happened yesterday. Sheesh! At least I still have it and I did not have to embarrass myself, by calling the IT Department.
G.E.: Where are you?
Wormtom: I think you have a real obsession with that 19101 thing. :-)
Father William: Thanks for the shareware link. I had the very same question about sizing of images.
Dear Bill,
After perusing your X-mas wish list, I am persuaded to
give you everything you've asked for. After all, you've
been a very good boy and Santa really dug the picture
you sent.
"t-oh no" will of course recieve the same psychoanalysis
gift certificates as last year and the year before.
Sincerely,
Santa
long weekend ahead....12 hour shifts Friday, Saturday & Sunday....hope you folks have a great weekend....I'll catch up with you Monday.
I wasn't saying hello to you Chips!
ha!
pffffffffft.
; )
NyBill - Yeah right! As if posting a (large) picture of your X-mas wish list here would influence Santa in any way... And besides, that can't be *our* snakie, 'cause she only rides in late model Kamakiri's...
271 wormy - Thanks. As I was laying on my couch in a chest cold induced stupor, my mind continued thusly:
Paul/pc, John/mac... Yoko/Steve Jobs - imensely influential during John/Apple early creative (solo) peak, John/Apple loses creative edge during separation from Yoko/Jobs, regains creative spark and market share when reunited with Yoko/Jobs...
Ok, so maybe it was the cough syrup... "Sickness will surely take the mind, where minds don't usually go..."
Miz Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucky! - Yo there!
FlaDave - Thanks for sharing those beautiful words and memories.
t
just found the most amazing thing....you can download a .zip file that's less than 64k, unzip it and run a phenomenal demo that lasts about 15 minutes with texture mapped graphics and an Enigma like soundtrack...."The Product" as it is called, claims to use a 300,000 to 1 compression algorhythm .....sounded like a load of BS to me but the demo is really amazing....gaming quality graphics and a killer soundtrack....in less than 64K???? I would have thought 'no way' but the proof is in checking it out....I am truly amazed!! If you'd like to check it out, go to:
http://theproduct.de/
and click on the link to "download the product now".....you will be impressed, I guarantee it!!
MC
You can forget to say hello, it's okay, really...
St Al - good new site but the picture thing brings out the worst in people obviously...
forgot to say.. HI : )
Bob + SteeveeDan -- Which One's Pink? will be back in action on 1/12 at the Canyon Club -- a great venue for a Dan tribute, especially since they follow up the live music with a "disco saturday night" Also, my homepage above is to Tribute The Movie -- you two have got to see it -- NOW!
Study/Office~ Phelonius my old friend, step on in and let me shake your
hand. So glad that you're here again, for one more time let
my madness run with yours.
Cafe'/MusicRoom~"Parkers" band with that smooth style of syncopation..
..any major dude will tell yah...
Livingroom~You Zombie, be born again my friend..won't you sign-in stranger?
Diningroom~I got the news..yes dear how did you know? Can't you see our
love will grow.
Bathrooms~I'm a fool to do your dirty work, OH YEah! I don't wanna do your
dirty work...NO MORE!!
Guestroom/former Daughter's room~ Who are these children who scheme and run
wild? Who speak with their wings..and the
way that ( she) smiles..
Kitchen~ One plush summer you come to me ripe and ready and bad through
and through.
Pantry~ I feel the monkey in your soul.
Bedroom~ Now you're gonna tell me---everything----- you did.......baby!
eLLe
SteveEdan: That makes sense - you can really hear those chords during the solo now that I think about it on Plush - a real nice way of tying the whole song together - very tight structure for someone going insane!
Hello and soggy morning everyone - it's raining in Los Angeles. (Angel - isn't the Los Angeles weather your department? Oh well, I hope you were able to wrestle free that '74 CD that your office player gobbled up.)
Hi Wormy - so you won an eBay auction for the Japanese import of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light? Expensive you say ?? Good snag at any price Wormtom. I’ve had the pleasure of viewing this DVD. As far as I know, it is only available from the far east. Whatever you paid for it, it’s a bargain. I have been searching for it in Los Angeles and it’s nowhere to be found. Soon it will be time to give up the search and contact Japan and Hong Kong for a copy. I have to have it for my very own ...
Hi Clas - You wrote: "But what do we call the part in, for example “Bad Sneakers”: “...yes I am going in sane...”. The B-part of the verse?"
Yes I agree that it is the “B-part of the verse”, but remember, that there are exceptions to every rule, and there are many departures from established song forms for artistic reasons … Different cultures have different song forms and there are different song forms in the same cultures. Lots of variations on lots of themes.
Hi Mu - This is the song structure of Bad Sneakers -
Intro-A-A-B-C(horus)-Intro-A-A-B-C(horus)-A(Solo)-A(Solo)-B-C(horus)-Intro(Actually, it’s the Outro).
The Verse is the A-A-B segment of the song form. The first part (A) is repeated with no alteration. It is then followed by the B part (Yes I’m going insane …). From there the song goes into its chorus, then it goes back to the beginning of the song form (including a shortened recitation of the Intro section – it’s just the last 2 measures of the Intro). The same sequence is used (A-A-B-C). Then the guitar solo is heard. This solo is played over the changes in the A section of the Verse. The bass line and the feel of the solo section is changed to allow for a slightly different “space” resulting in a more unique sounding section, but the chords are the same as in the verse. From there it’s back to the B section of the Verse, through the Chorus and to the last 2 measures of the Intro, and finally 4 measures that are of a similar theme to the Intro serving as the Outro to the song's conclusion.
Steveedan
No.6..is the Dining room.
Started cleaning this morning and had some great tunes going.... thought of this while taking a coffee(?) break.
Name your dirty rooms after a song or verse from a song.........
heres my list:
1. Cody's room...Baby, I'm Amazed (You can even open the door)
2. Eiann's room...Waiting in Vain (For you to clean it)
3.My room...Kid Charlamagne (Clean this mess up or else we'll all end up in jail)
4.Family/Doggie room...Call me Al (Get these Mutts away from me)
5.Computer room...Myth of Fingerprints (Says it all)
6.2 choices..Alice's Resturaunt or this verse from Leds's "Has anybody seen the table?...Where's that confounded table?
7.Parlor...Don't let it bring you down
8. Kitchen...Ants Marching
ST. Al:
Would you mind deleting that picture I posted in my
prior post? It came out too big and Hips says she
does'nt want me posting any of her pictures on the
GB.
:)
NY Bill: One very good graphics program (shareware) that you can use to reduce the image size is Irfanview which can be downloaded from:
http://www.irfanview.com/english.htm
267, 268, Clas: You're right about the TWM solo, the chords underneath don't change a lot. In contrast, Walter's solo on Bad Sneakers is definitely a bridge.
For Bad Sneakers, it's intro -A-B-C A-B-C-D(solo that uses chords from the intro) B-C - then cool little outtro that recapitulates chords in the intro
For J Browne's Shape of a Heart is it : A -A-B -A-B-C A-B-C ??? crap, I can't remember - but it's an interesting format. I'm particularly fond of songs that deviate from the A-B A-B format.
Lady B: great to see you back. Hope you are doing well!
Hi Aja! Come back again...How's the new job?
My brothers made some home made Christmas Puddings with BEER in there 1lb weight & Ł4.50 each thats about $6.00 i think +P&P
http://users.breathemail.net/lindunk/CHRISTMAS%20PUDDING%20copy.jpg
They taste great & the lables are fantastic (i did them)
db
midnite - if the server is going down at 5 am that will put a serious wrench in StevieDan's late night posting spree, not to mention clas, gina and Howard's morning romps
floridave - touching words and memories, God Bless
good to see some old blood making these pages vital again
and St Al
19101 19101 19101 19101 19101
pretty please
and can you make that link when you post so that it opens up another window with the SIS entries, mucho sportito
thomas of wormness
St. Al :
Sorry that picture came out so big. How did that happen?
How do you resize a pic?
Wormy & Clas:
Chill out... My first successful attempt at posting a
picture so how was I to know it was going to post at
that size? And I don't think that something like that
is going to offend the ladies around here. They're
likely to see MUCH worse than that on television
these days... Again, Chill.
Bob:
That car is a 66' or 67' Nova. I have a 63' Supersport
and a 63' Convertible.
Hips:
Sorry bout' that...it was supposed to be part of
a previous post. You know what they say about knowing
just enough to be dangerous right? Sorry, the joke
was lost in the process of learning the html thing.
yes, GB was down at 8:17am EST again this morning....I'm guessing that's when the server does it's maintenance? 5am local time?
St.Al....don't know if this is for you but we're using Sharp Web Services for our hosting (not our ISP)....they have killer rates on hosting....support Front Page extentions and I think SQL too....if you're interested, they're at:
http://sharpwebservices.com/
don't know if that's enough bandwidth for you....in the last two months they've gone down one time for about 30 minutes for maintenance.
David - that was perfect. i'm sure he loved it. :-)
Lady B - good to see you. keep in touch.
Bill - stop that!
261 - bill, nice car, please size down your photo posts and have a little respect for the ladies on this board
260 - Lady Bayside - good to see you back here, good luck with exams
So you are coming down here?? please look me up, thanks
just count the number of musical bridges in the title track of Aja
earthbound is coming down next week, will hook up with our Chicago contingent
251 yoko tono - pc/mac interesting Paul/John analogy
how about boxers/briefs p/j
warm and comfy verses stark and revealing?
received an ebay win Japanese import of Joni's Shadows and Light
expensive but crystal clear and the sound - wow,
light years above my old vhs
Jaco, Pat, Michael and the Jonester in real free form flight
why isn't this an american release?????
like Icarus Ascending on beautiful foolish arms
Clas, if I recall the lyrics sheets I have come across, some usually will call that a "pre-chorus". Now, if it has to take you back where you came from, then the famed "Broadway Duchess" segment is a bridge, and a solid one at that.
Why does ZZTop come to mind now?
brrr
my turn to try
Floridadavid, Nice words there.
db
I have heard from a source nearby me, “bridge” is the third part in the song, the part that makes the song “not so boring”. Like “...I got this thing inside me...” and “...in that sunny room she soothes me...”.
“Babylon Sisters” has a bridge, several bridges, but they are burning.
But what do we call the part in, for example “Bad Sneakers”: “...yes I am going in sane...”. The B-part of the verse?
C
YGK - the Bridge has, here in Sweden at least, and among those people I've played with, been the part of the verse that leads into the Refrain/Chorus.
The “third” part in the song we call Interlude or Stick. But maybe Interlude is more of an, as someone mentioned, an instrumental part with no “connectionc” to the song. As in JW Malibus catsong on the GBook CD.
dr mu - the guitarpart, Carlton, “Third World Man”, is just simply a solo over the verse-chords, hardly a bridge.
C
Bill - it's so, well... DONE! Isn't this a kind of insult to the woman on this GBook?
Silicon Valley crap.
C
Angel - Oh NO !!! Try powering the CD player on and off again, a few times, maybe that will unstick it. Assuming that you will be able to rescue the CD and even play it ... Listen to the last minute of the live "Do It Again". You will notice a few chords and rhythmic things going on, and at the end of the rhythmic phrasing, the song will end abruptly. I have other live versions of "Do It Again" from Manassas 7-21-96 (the source of Wetside Story, as you know), and also from some "extra" stuff from the Plush DVD gig, where they did "Do It Again" there as well. In all of the live versions, the last minute of the song has this rhythmic groove leading up to the abrupt ending of the song. Over the years the chords have gotten a little more complex, but the melody, and the harmonic movement and motion are the same.
I guess Don and Walt modified the old addage: "When you find something that works, you stick with it" and changed it to "When you find something that works, you keep the melody and the basic structure, and you slightly change the rest of it to keep everybody on their toes".
I wonder how many people thought the the Alive In America version of "Reelin' In The Years" was a new song?
Bill - like Angel said, we gotta be careful or St. Al will shut down the photo feature. Besides, I was hoping that we could put up photos of ourselves or our children, pets, favorite night sky, or tree, or bird photos. Hmmm,... on second thought, this could get really out of hand. I could put up photos of my old keyboards, Floridavid could put up photos of his old drum sets, and you Bill, well, my friend, with you (ha ha) anything is possible. For what it's worth, I enjoyed the photo (maybe, a little too much !!!) Is that your ... car? OK, decorum prohibits me from asking any more questions about that photo !
St. Al - You probably already know this -- earlier this evening, the server was down AGAIN! Drag-ola, which reminds me ...
Lovebob - (sorry that's Rock-ola !) Nice to see you posting here a bit more frequently. I promise to get down to San Diego to see you, Peg, and the rest of the "Damned" crew play the best SD tribute music this side of, well, on the whole planet I suppose. I know my video tape of your band doesn't do y'all justice, and I promise, no one else gets to see it, or copy it, or ... my best regards to all in The Steely Damned. By the way, I have one of your Tee Shirts (from the band, not one of your personal shirts ... oh, forget it.) Craigster gave it to me in August.
See you all later --
Steveedan
NYBILL:
Wow! Now THAT's what I call html. Unreal! What year is that thing, like a '62 or something?
Chill Bill, or else St. Al will take away our picture posting privileges. :-)
Floridavid: Beautifully said. I almost cried at work. You did good.
Steveedan: I put in the '74 concert into my CD player at work and it got stuck! I am blaming you. :-)
That means I did not get to listen to the end of Do It Again. I will try to get it out tomorrow.
Lady Bayside: Glad you made it over here.
FINALLY!
The that picture goes with my last posts about
classic cars and Hips...
Whew!
Good Lord...it's like visiting your hometown after major development has occurred! The landmarks are there, some of the same people, but things are oddly unfamiliar. (Not in a bad way, your Saintliness, just in a strange way...)
Anyway, I hope all had a happy turkey day. I am in the midst of studying for exams, but wanted to drop by and find out how things are going in general.
How are all my DOMC buddies? No meetings lately?
WormTom, I heard you were carousing in NYC with the boys...I am looking forward to my trip to YOUR environs in May.
Hi to my various and sundry friends, associates and cohorts. I would love to hear from you.
LadyB
St. Al:
Damn! Now what did I do wrong?
Don't you just love classic cars?
I have a couple of early nova's myself...
Sorry...is Hips blocking your view of the car?
excuse the liberties, but
Personality:
Walter = John?
Donald = Paul?
sorry 'bout that....*DOH*
just curious....can I do that without the # symbol....
David....that was beautiful....your brother would be proud....I'm sure he was smiling down on you as you read of your lives together.
Floridave--that is absolutely lovely. All power to you for doing your brother's eulogy.
(Heh. I remember those days of teenage rockstars in the garage/basement/wherever.)
/the Mam'zelle
This is my Eulogy to my Brother Michael.Please scroll by If you don't care to read it. Thanks. David
Memories of Michael November 29, 2001
I would like to take this opportunity to recollect some memories I have about my brother Michael.
He was born in 1951. The second Son born, with brother Tom being the oldest and myself being the youngest. And sister Nancy born between Michael and I.
I remember in 1964 ,watching the Ed Sullivan show on a Sunday Night. Michael and I were waiting for 8 o,clock just to hear Ed Say” tonight…The Beatles” We sat and watched them play and sing and afterwards we plotted how we were going to play music and write cool songs. He was going to play guitar like John Lennon and I was going to play the drums like Ringo.
I remember in early 1967, Michael was almost 16 and he and his friend John Marjchak who, played the Bass were going to start a band. It took me a few weeks of begging to get Michael to let his 12 year old, “pain in the Butt” little brother to be the drummer in that band. Our friend Billy Walsh, who was already an accomplished guitar player also joined as our lead guitar player. We learned songs by the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Even though Dad said it wasn’t “Real Music”
We played our first Gigs that year. We played at Bates Woods, a Park in Norwich Ct. Our Audience was a group of hearing impaired kids who sat on the floor and felt the vibration from the music. They clapped and danced and laughed. I think they thought we were the Beatles.
That summer we played some Church sponsored Teen Dances and performed at the Ledyard Fair. And we were hooked.
Our Mom drove us around in the Station Wagon with all our gear.
That Summer, Michael got his Drivers license and one Saturday we took a ride . Just the Two of us. We drove to Groton Ct. and we put $2.00 in the gas tank…which was a lot then. We had lunch at “Burger Chef” and then Drove over the Bridge to New London. We went to Caruso’s Music Store and with the money we earned playing, we bought guitar strings and drum sticks. Man, were we cool.
I want to thank my brother Michael for letting me be in the band and for basically giving me a career and a purpose to my life so early on. My wife Dale always remarked about how we as brothers always Sang so well together.
Besides being a Musician, Michael served for 4 years in the United States Coast Guard.
We had a lot of fun going out on the boat Dad kept in a Marina in Mystic. Jumping off the top and swimming. We handled the dock lines, and jumped around at the Skippers’ commands.
Dad referred to us as his “Deck Apes”.
Michael used to take me swimming at the Lakes in and around Ledyard. We both always loved boats and the water.
As we got older we kind of drifted apart both geographically and musically.We had a few disagreements over the years but we always loved each other as only brothers can. I spoke with Michael by phone on each of the last 3 Saturday’s before his Passing.
We were looking forward to seeing each other this Fall, as he and Iris were planning a trip to Florida.
We welcome his Wife Iris and are happy to have her here in Florida with us now.
We all have our own special memories of Him to hold onto.
We love and miss you Michael. You will not be Forgotten.
Paul = PC, John = Mac. Paul/ PC is more widely accepted, ubiquitous, while John/Mac, while not as popular, is generally considered more artistic and functional, and one may have to invest a little more, but the rewards are greater.
I think Mcartney II is the "Great Lost Mccartney Album" And I totally agree about "Arrow Through Me", which never makes it to any complilations...
But...
how could anyone of his talent come up with the lines,
"But if this ever changing world in which we live in..."
and...
"...side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why can't we?"
Ouch!
Dangling participle aside, what's with the awkward third grade meter? I don't think you can blame that one one the blind guy...
steviedan - "Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry..."
heh heh...
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Bill -- take a look at this tag:
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This is the proper syntax for posting images (remove the # sign in this link above. It is there for display purposes).
StAl
Ahhh the bridge
Through with buzz has 1 line verses so what follows after the third ''verse'' does that still count as a bridge.
eLLe you're right about Brian May not getting the appreciation he deserves but on the other hand have you seen his hair lately..
Cheery Ohh
db
dear ward: yes those snl characters are so much fun to mingle with, why just the other day, chris kattan called and asked me for some fashion advice, such a nice little man, don't you think? do tell them to bring back the divine cheerleader skit, though i know cheri oteri may not want to pop in for it, as a former cheerleader (you remember don't you?) i just thought that skit was simply divine - and the boston skit brings lots of laughs to the happy household, doesn't it? NNNOOOOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmmmAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA(r)
lovin the bridge discussion, yes
and don't hate me, but i wickedly burnt out on the great and wonderful Paul long ago, just couldn't take it anymore - my husband is still a big fan though
ygk, how are you dear? good to see you here
nmn - did you listen to npr this morning?
ge - got ambrosia playing at my desk today - they really pulled together some great stuff, beautiful too
Crossing that bridge again:
The joke in the Led Zeppelin song, where, at the end you hear them ask "Has anybody seen the bridge", and "Where's that confounded bridge" is that there is no bridge in the song.
Angel - yours and Blaise's comments about the evolution of the live arrangements of the Steely Dan songs are right on the money. I noticed that after the initial shock of excitement of seeing Steely Dan live for the first time in 1993, and then the 1994 tour, that the arrangements were good, but there was room for improvement.
The 1996 tour had Michael Leonhart (and his singing sister Carolyn) in the band and from that point forward the arrangements got better. The Plush DVD/Video/PBS show of Steely Dan at the Sony Studios in January 2000 exibited the best arranging for live performance by the band. M. Leonhart had a lot to do with this, and his work on the CD is excellent and inspiring.
"Do It Again" has definitely evolved over the years, but if you go back to the 1974 live versions and compare it to the versions performed in the 1990's you will notice that even though the chords have gotten a little more complex, the ending rhythm groove is the same.
Steveedan
auss - lp gets to mingle with the SNL cast
"I'm 50 and I can kick" worked for me too
maybe she can peel the mango!
love bob, hey there guy, nice beatles elaboration
yes that spark of intermingled paul and john songs on revolver and I'll add the lovely twist of a george tune or two and his sitaric wanderings
is this fair for a generalization?
Lennon wit McCarney melody
Becker wit Fagen melody
I had an discussion with a friend where he thought that I couldn't possibly like McCartney over Lennon and also Eno over Ferry
and Bob, my pants are down, you caught me in zep schlep
yes of course it's The Crunge not the Ocean
end of side 1 not side 2 (datingmyself rapidly)
da do lo doop bump dada bump bump, da da lo doop bump ba....
have you seen my brain?
where's that confounded brain?
St Al - I'm gonna keep posting dribble till you
REINSTATE THE 19101 DATE OF THIS GUESTBOOK
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
wt
Wow Cyn!! that's almost too coincedental??!!
They are alot of fun, I haven't seen them live, only on TV.
cheers luv.
MC- you're very welcome... that is very cool!! : )
eLLe
LuckLess Pedestrian: Will be attending Saturday Night Live this coming Saturday....our own Derek Jeter will be hosting....have also been invited for the always scandalous after party....any messages to any of the cast? (too bad Molly Shannon's gone)
Ward
Wow, so much to weigh in on, so little time.
Short stuff:
Led Zeppelin's : "The Crunge" is the song with the suspiciously missing bridge ("Where is that confounded bridge?!?!") , not "The Ocean". Easy mistake though.
John and Paul were writting their "own" tunes more or less by A Hard Days Night. To some extent earlier. John WAS an idealist, but he was definitely the more auto biographical in the songwritting dept. He wrote ABOUT his own idealism. He often referrenced his own inability to attain the lofty goals he had for his own heart and the dreams/hopes he had for the world. Paul was more fantasy, a storyteller often writting about other people. This is not a value judgement, at least not by me. I think their Beatles output is brilliant from day one through the final album. They kept pace with and even sustained each other, even at their most seperate moment. The White Album.
John once said comparing himself and Paul that he (John) wrote of things personal to him. Things he knew first hand" Paul was always going around writing about other people, people he observed or made up. This is not to say that John didn't do some of that himself, but it seems like even when he did, there was some kind of a more direct connection: Julian bringing home a picture he drew in school entitled "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" or "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite" which was taken almost line for line from a poster in John's bedroom. Compare these to Paul's stories in "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" or "Obla-Di Obla-Da.
For my money, it is usually the "John" songs on a Beatles album that are a bit more unique and special.However it was the stunning combo of songs like Paul's "Good day Sunshine", "Got To Get You Into My Life", and "Eleanor Rigby" and John's "She Said, She Said", "And Your Bird Can Sing" and I'm Only Sleeping" that made albums as great as Revolver (the quintesencial Beatles album in my opinion)
Solo careers are a whole nother story. John's solo output leaves me pretty cold. Paul on the other hand has had a great deal of brilliant moments for my money (which he reaped lots of and invested wisely) Ram, Band On The Run, Venus And Mars, ...yeah they are pappier than they could be at times, but when they rock they rock. I also like lots of London Town, Tug Of War, and Back To The Egg, one of the most overlooked albums of the late seventies. Had it been released 5, maybe even 3 years earlier, it would have been hailed as a classic. Aaaah timing, taste, and the music business.
Ok, gotta go....
Damnit....I could spew my opinions on this stuff for a long time....gotta head over to the Beatle's news group where there is a thread running about Becker being too cynical and Fagen using chords and lyrics that are too fluffy when left all to his lonesome....
Oh Peg: I completely understand your point Re: PC's versus Mac's. Ferraris are cool, but what a boring world if everyone drove them! Viva la Geo Metro!
PS: you were GREAT Friday night. wink wink.
lovebob
Wormy and everyone else. I can easily increase the amount of postings that appear on one page. I'm trying to gauge the daily posting traffic, which is currently higher than it was on the old book. Right now it's set to 30 entries per page. As soon as I'm done posting this message I'm changing it to 50 per page. Feedback appreciated...Too much? Not enough?
I'd like to ask about two formats to the new improved SIS
1)if you are referencing a bit older post, try this format
191 StevieDan said Sting was getting jazzier with each release....
the numbertup front refering to the post number
that way if a post is buried, people can hunt for it fast and understand what you are talking about
2) what happened to that charming date of 19101????
thanks
wormy
now back to your regularly scheduled dandom.....
Ok gang, all this change is a good thing, right? Well, as many of you know the company that hosts this website has not answered my question as to why this website keeps disappearing from view. It seems to happen in the early morning hours (between 2-6 AM pacific). I've noticed it 4 times. NOT acceptable! If I don't receive a satisfactory answer within the next 2 days I'm going to start looking for another hosting company.
What all this means is things may get worse before they get better. If you experience a "page not found" error, please wait a while and try it again. If anyone sends mail to the above address and it bounces, wait a while and try again.
Bill: I deleted your attempt at posting an image by mistake. I assume this was you? I was actually trying to fix it but ended up deleting it. Remember to close your tags with a > bracket.
midnite - never heard that badge story before, thanks
another interesting bridge song is the Ocean on Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy album - JPJ and BOnzo break off into a funky reggae riff, Robert and Bonzo vocally interplay the "have you seen the bridge" to "where's that confounded bridge" It's a joke on James Brown's "take me to the bridge" in a song that repetatively needs one.
StevieD - glad you enjoyed the Mingus moment - I was pinching myself on that one, wish Auss had been here
MissDucklet - I did the overnight sleep study but they could only catch me in 5 apnea moments
Floridave - best of luck with those vocal chords, start back slow
and your fond memories of your brother will carry you through the rough spots (I gave my nieces address a few years ago)
this month I made my first 2 years here at SIS
thanks for all the memories, aquaintances, etc
been a real pleasure to visit (well, when the wolves aren't out to play)
Lennon/McCartney - John wasn't the only genius (look at Pauls' essentially solo pennings from the White, Magical, Abbey, Let it Be), and Paul's life better reflected his lyrical output - he sang what he lived
Lennon on the other hand was an idealist who didn't really practice what he preached. (not looking to ignite a flame here, jmho)
sitting in an english garden waiting for the sun....
wt
Brian may uses an old sixpence as a plectrum that's how he gets's the sounds he does..
Or could be the old home made guitar syndrome.
db
YGK....and then there's Badge....Clapton's song where George Harrison was writing out the song and when he wrote 'Bridge" on the page to indicate where the bridge would be in the song, Clapton misread it as "Badge" and named the song that!
Heard the STP thing while ago....a remake of the Beatles "Revolution"....not a bad remake but what's the point?
off to do a little landscaping in the yard. *ttfn*
Re: Bridges
I'm more inclined to think a bridge is a third 'part' of a songs structure. Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Verse (or Chorus)
As in Hey Nineteen at the end of the 2nd chorus - the musical modulation, solo that leads into "Sure looks good...." That's a bridge.
Yes, it could be an interlude, however, the feel of the tune changes for a bit.....
And Mr. James Brown says "Take it to the Bridge", then coaxes his band into a new vamp/groove - then bop bop bop bop bops back into the original groove t'ang.
Philosophically Speaking: What is a bridge? A bridge will take you across the river to a new place......and then back again to where you started.....
ygk
thanks to all for the feedback on the header graphic....it felt great to be able to contribute something back to the community that I've gotten so much out of the past 5 + years.
eLLe....got the Laurel Burch yesterday!! How cool is that??? Great artwork, can't wait to put it up! Thank you sooooooo much from me & Shirl !!
wormy....sounds like a dream vacation! I'm so jealous!!
Miz D....good to see you back!
Cyn....sounds like you had a blast....cool !
like Clas, I saw McCartney live back in the early '90s and it was a great show....60,000 on their feet and rocking at Carter-Finley Stadium, just a hop, skip and a jump from our own steviedan!
FloriDavid....glad to hear your recovery is going well....I'm sure your eulogy will do your brother proud.
just heard something on CNN about STP remaking a classic Beatles tune....haven't heard it yet....anybody? Edd?? Where is EDD COTE????
Happy Birthday to Randy Newman, Jon Stewart, my lovely wife, and even Paul Schaffer...
hey - boston npr listeners got a treat this morning - there was a story on the mcas system, which is a standardized test system people are really hot and bothered about in massachusetts (not me, considering i proudly carry a regents diploma from the empire state) and at the conclusion of the story what song was blasted on the airwaves but "my old school" i laughed out loud big time, it was great! the day can't be too bad now
cyn - i am an outofthecloset lover of BNL - i just got their greatest hits, my top three tunes are jane (maybe you should drive is a good release this is off of), call and answer, and alternative girlfriend - imho they did what they might be giants almost did but couldn't quite cut - great band, great vocals, lots of fun, it's okay to have fun with music sometimes, lol, right? we had tix to see them in september but the concert was cancelled due to 9-11 aftershock
has anyone heard the new release from natalie merchant - it's growing on me, but like her tigerlily release, it's takin some time - ophelia hit me immediately as awesome - it's funny how some releases do that for you, hit you right away or grow on you - 2vN was sort of a combo of the two as i remember it now
any Cake fans out there? when taking my youngest child to be photographed at Target, i put the new release from Cake in my shopping cart and when we were all done it was gone and that was their last copy - can you say pissed, considering it was a battle to get my 2 year old to have her picture taken to begin with and i felt deserving of a treat? sheesh, back to newbury comics where i obvioulsy belong...
Miz Ducky: A music related/Donald loving post from you. I missed this. :-)
I have been spending a lot of my time listening to the 2K concert and had come to much the same conclusion as you as to the arrangement and new level of sophistication of the songs. Yesterday, I revisited the '93 sounds and it really becomes apparent how different the arrangement is. They really raised the bar on this last tour. (I don't have any 96 stuff, minus Wetside, so I can't compare that). Do It Again (War Horse, or not) is indeed totally rearranged and as Blaise said several months ago, it could be rereleased as a new single, it is that different and good.
Mu: I think I hear what you are saying on the 2VN CD. It amazes me how you manage to discern what each instrument is playing and how they are interrelating. Thanks for keeping at it, trying to get us to notice your post.
You heard it here first. There is a Dave Brubeck show airing sometime in December. If you are mad about Brubeck, you might want to keep an eye out for it.
McCartney....Saw a review/picture in the LA Times this morning about a show airing this evening about Sun Records. The picture had Paul McCartney in it, so I assume he makes an appearance on the show.
Yes Mamzelle, there is a a certain weariness showing through on the latest version of Black Friday. Like time flew and it never came to past. It's an updated picture of this prophet of doom grown old with his mounting self-doubt and diminishing credibility. Interesting.
Now for a list of famous PC users... just kidding Mu. Most likely, there's not enough space on the Wintel-based Dan web server, me thinks. Whatever turns you on, I say.
B
Well, Folks, its official...Yes, indeedy, I did it, no regrets...I went to that concert with my eldest, his girlfriend, and others last night and had one of the best times at a concert in a longgg time. Bare Neekid Ladies Rule as kings of comedy,music,and whatever the hell else they did.
Yes, eLLe, they did the Yoko song..had to explain to the "kids" why I was laughing so hard.I guess this where I have to give up some "colour" on the show...But, I doubt I could do it like the real "music" folks here on the GB do it. I hadn't been to a concert in so long, and I didn't take notes. Next time I'll take a notepad with me.
The only thing to say is...If they are playing at a venue near you, RUN don't walk, and buy yourself a ticket, you won't be disappointed.
Steevee..woke up the next morning and all phluy symptoms were gone, but bought some "Oki-pa-noki" stuff for the next time.
clas..Amen to "Baby, I'm Amazed"!
Good evening everyone --
Floridavid - Giving a eulogy is a very painful job to take on. It matters little what you say, but as long as it comes from the heart, the message of love for your brother comes shining through. Keep your happiest memories of your brother close to you when you read your tribute to him. Sometimes, if you feel that it is appropriate, if you tell a funny story about your brother, that also captures his spirit, it can result in an uplifting moment for both you and those in attendance. I did this when I spoke at my father's funeral, and I was able to get through it in one piece. I wish you and your family a gentle passage through this, and of course, my heartfelt condolences. God Bless.
The McCartney/Lennon topic is one of constant speculation and interest. I agree that McCartney's solo career has been spotty, but, very few people can do that less serious (campy!) material and pull it off. Paul has a beautiful spirit that comes through his material like no other. And when he is on, he is really ON! There will always be a demand for happy, catchy pop music. Paul is one of the best writers of this genre of music to ever come our way.
Bear in mind that after the Sgt. Pepper's album, The Beatles started to get very splintered. I think Sgt. Pepper's was released in June or July of 1967, and manager Brian Epstein died in late August '67. Paul tried to assume the managerial role left by Epstein's death. Magical Mystery Tour, which was primarily a television production, only had a few new songs, and was primarily Paul's baby. After MMT, came "The Beatles" (aka: The White Album), which is when John's influence by Yoko, George's disgruntlement about his reduced role as a songwriter for the band (limited to 1 or 2 songs per album usually), Ringo's waning interest in the band (he was the first one to leave the band, though he did return), and Paul's desire to control things, all soured the personal chemistry among the Fab Four.
During this time, it was rare that all four Beatles were in Abbey Road at the same time. Let It Be showed us that things were deteriorating even further, and then came the swan song "Abbey Road" album, in which Paul convinced John to make one last great album. The medley of songs on side 2 is a truly historic moment in rock songwriting. These two albums were released in reverse order (as many of you know), but clearly the handwriting was on the wall, and the world grew a little sadder.
The chemistry between Paul and John and the "whole being greater than the sum of its parts" aspect of The Beatles had started to unwravel after Sgt. Pepper's. But Paul, John, and George proved that they could each deliver occasional spectacular works from time to time throughout their solo careers.
To Dragon - yes, you got the spelling right, and I am glad that you got some relief from the "Oh-sillo-coxci-numb". I have told so many people about this cold and flu remedy and only wish that I owned stock in the company. Hey Aus -- what is Boiron trading at? Is this one gonna make a move? Oh, and on the Aja CD, check out Victor Feldman's great piano work on Black Cow and also on I Got The News. And also Steve Gadd's drumming on the title track Aja. Not bad for a second take, huh?
The tone of the guestbook is really different now. I like it a lot better. It seemed like before, you had to be so careful to edit yourself before every post because some nasty commentary was going to be sent your way. Things feel a bit more relaxed here. Thanks go out to St. Al for his efforts to keep improving things around here. Midnight C's graphic (it was MC right?) looks great.
I have learned about a lot of great things by reading the guestbook, both Steely Dan related, and unrelated. Thank you all, 'preciate it.
Steveedan (currently out-of-work (gigs, that is) MFM)
Hi there, you Brightest Shining Beacon of Freedom and Justice!
I saw Paul live in Stockholm, when was that? Probably early 90's. I have never been a Beatle fan, probably because everybody else was. But when Beatles split and Paul Mc Cartney came out with that wonderful album, don't know the title, but with this wonderful song “Maybe I'm Amazed”.
Truly great. Since then I haven't been impressed with his Work of Routine.
But, the concert was great, lots of energy, fucking good musicians, very good show. And Linda was standing tough at a synth, trying to sing in pitch. Very brave.
C
it just gets better with the telling, tom the jazzworm. there you were. awesome !
fdave, i don't envy THAT gig (the eulogy) bro. you've had alot on your plate these days. i don't know if you'll incorporate any pre-recorded music, but there's this tune by stephen curtis chapman (easy on me here, i'm not even religious) from his album "speechless" called "with hope". i lost a musical brother (thankfully not my real one) a year ago or so and they played this as they rolled him on out. damn. i had made it up til then. a mutual buddy came up and i told him this was one of the most beautiful songs i'd ever heard. he replied that yeah, it was.
thanx to mu-cartney, elle, wormy, w1p and the rest on the paul/john over/under-rated rap. without the beatles alchemy, musically i believe mccartney has fared better overall. however, lennon's sociopolit-status has become a sacred cow of legendary proportions (and yet totally for sale by yoko). w1p says lennon never released anything as bad as "s.l.l.s.", but i would argue that he and the yoko have shilled FAR worse crap. mccartney could put a bit of lennon's intellectual depth to great use and he seems caught in this retro fest as of late. he has always offered at least glimpses of greatness on each album. i too was hoping for that cathartic album this time. mu, it sounds like it's not.
miz d, emeril is cool but he is no iron chef !
Danoooooo -- Still don't have photo. But the post might be running slow on this side of the pond due to the anthrax scare.
Midnight Cruiser -- The graphics look marvelous!
Dragon
lp -- actually, the reason we went to Maine was to visit our newphew who is a student at UMF (Farmington). So although I'm not sure this qualifies as "northern Maine" we did get up to Farmington and spent a night at the Sugarloaf ski area. It was a great drive but the weather was too warm for any skiing. Until we changed planes in Boston I had never stepped foot in Mass in my life. If I make it back, I will look you up! W1P
Hi from Down Under!, what`s going down with this new homw page??. Why, when & how did this all come about?? .......i`m not totally comfortable with this!...........but1, those days are gone forever, over a long...........!bubble, bubble bubble...
lp: I'm currently reading "The Beans of Egypt, Maine" by Carolyn Chute. This was recommended by one of my friends from Bath who suggested that it was representative of rural, especially northern Maine. Are you familiar with this book?
DocK: No truer words could be spoken about the Beatles' synergy...er... magic...
Miz Ducky: I think we're on the same wavelength. It's not just the momma duck (melody or series of themes) leading the baby ducks (accomaniment), but I hear a real conversations between the instruments. Good pick-up on Michael Leonhardt adding the extra layer of sophisptication. Gaslighting Abbie Live (check out Plush) really illustrates the horns, sax, Barney, midriffettes, keys each with their own theme and rhythm contributing to a Steely Rockestra...
Wormy, Randy: *When* Paul nails some pop it can be sparkling. My bar on lyrical content is low...although Paul still passed under it often. Yes, John wrote lyrics designed for more impact. Randy, you read my mind - Arrow Through Me is a diamond and one of my very faves along with My Brave Face, Let Me Roll It, 1985, Tug of War, Take it Away, London Town/Cafe on the Left Bank, Little Willow, Beautiful Night/Great Day ( which is a nice seque into Drivin' Rain), Junior's Farm, No More Lonely Nights, Beware My Love which are all grabbers. I've snuck listens of the remasters of Venus and Mars and Ban on the Run - all crystalline in soundscape - Paul had a vision of musicianship, where John's stuff sounds like amateur hour except for half of Double Fantasy, which sounds like Back to the Egg production.
hey pink - glad you liked portland, maine there - i've been meaning to mention it to you - yes the flight path you took is a creepy one, isn't it? - i like portland, but northern maine is where it's at for me, go north about three or more hours and then you really are somewhere! e-me when you come to boston again okay? would love to meet up for a brew!
off to chat, any takers?
Paul vs. John?? It's all subjective anyway... I would say, however, that when they were together with the Beatles "the whole was larger than the sum of the parts"!
Chimin' in on the McCartney bit:
One of the great overlooked albums in the McCartney/Wings catalog is 1979's "Back To The Egg." This was the recording that was handed to many after they had exclaimed how soft and soppy McCartney was (and certainly is capable of being). It's far harder hitting with a real driving energy to it, adeptly avoiding excess and playing on all of McCartney's strengths. Clearly punk had its effect on Paul. From "Getting Closer" to "To You," as well as "Rockestra Theme" and "Arrow Through Me" (a hidden gem), Wings' last effort had them going out on a high note. Check it out if you have the chance-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
owe! bummer! Mam
might I suggest the Citizen Steely Dan box set for the office, for starters...
but then you don't get the entire works..but it's a start!
raining enough for yah lately?
can't complain here, we really need it, some areas south of here have had a severe drought.
singing in the rain........
:D
Don't blame it on YOOOKOOOOO!! ; )
( do you know that song by the Barenaked Ladies?)
teeeheee.
eLLe
John and Paul. In my estimation, Paul has a much greater capacity to be frivolous than John. To me, John's work on the whole has greater meaning than Paul's. John certainly never put out something as bad as Silly Little Love Songs or Let 'em In -- two of the worst songs ever put to vinyl. Nevertheless, Paul's work is filled with important songs -- I just don't find them as meaningful as John's. The two together clearly had a special synergy shared by few others. The closest thing I can compare them to is Roger and Dave -- Roger being the more "intense" one and Dave being the more melodically inclined. This is not to say that I consider Pink Floyd and the Beatles to be equals. I think the legacy of the Beatles clearly outweighs Floyd. However, I like Floyd better. Oh, and hello Miz Ducky, its nice to "see" you here again!
Herr Doktor Mu--could you explain a little more about the single/multiple voice thing? I went back and read your original post, and I'm not 100% sure I'm getting what you're driving at.
I did notice early on that the arrangements on 2vN seemed (at least to me) to be a significant step up in sophistication for an already highly-sophisticated pair of arrangers (trio, if you count Michael Leonhart's contributions in that area, which I do). The interplay of instruments on the outro to "Negative Girl" is nothing short of brilliant--incredible, delicate work.
And I hear similar steps forward in arrangement innovation in some of the old stuff the guys reworked for the 2K tour. Like the two-beats-behind counterpoint that the BGV Grrls sing in the second verse of "Black Friday"--a little thing that made a big impact on me. That 2K edition of "Black Friday" remains my personal favorite of the whole 2K concert tour, by the way, even against some extremely stiff competition--the whole groove just rockets along in the most propulsive way, Donald's vocal is beautifully spare, he and Ted get some majorly hypnotic thing going on between their keyboards, and the whole thing just cooks like nobody's business.
Erm, sorta got off the track there ... anyway, am I getting warm, Doctor?
(er, sorry, being too lazy to find that mu chord, er, key, er, whatever)
/the Mam'zelle
(damn! stuck at work without my Dan CDs! Need to get a separate set for the office!)
thanks for the tip, mu and wormy - will give a listen tonight when i get home!
Mu,
forgot your orignial post from way back on multiple voices
Mu wrote:
Anybody notice the use of "multiple voices" in tvN as opposed to Aja and earlier albums. In other words, on earlier albums themes and multiple themes were presented in series with increasingly sophisticated accompanyment. Certainly themes or bits of themes were traded from instrument to instument ot vocals etc. Like the "call and repeat" bewteen the horns and guitar on my old school. But then a trick used from folk song "rounds" to classical to jazz to Brian Wilson's Pet Sounds appears. The insturmental break or bridge on My Rival or Century's End are examples. They go from simply "trading fours" to a layered dialogue between the insturments - each with its own theme that's more than an accompanyment. I hear it on Gaslighting Abbie, What a Shame About Me (Rhodes vs. guitar vs. bass), Two Against Nature, Negative Girl, and West of Hollywood.
~ not only is there a trading off of lines, but also the bass in particular has an echo or doubling that appears up one octave. Not sure if this is an electronic gating/processing effect (my likely choice), the bassist playing harmonics or an overdubbed part but it is really impressive (very apparent on Shame)
the paul/john debate
haven't heard Paul's latest, but I was quite impressed with Flaming Pie and Flowers in the Dirt. The man when he is sappy is just pathetic. And when he is on, he is on. Venus and Mars, Band On the Run and earlier albums at times show some real glory. Mostly ignored songs like Maybe I'm Amazed, Letting Go, Too Many People and 1985 would be the highlights of John's solo career had he went to such lofty heights. Lennon was basically a house husband for 5 years at Yoko's beck and call. Glad to see he got his muse back in the end.
I agree with mu that John's contributions seemed to be overemphasized at the expense of Paul's, but both were clearly pushing the envelope
paul was the purest musician. But George certainly added spark and John contributed neat discordant chords a plenty
jaure guru deva ohm
Mr. Chow ~ Sorry, I've been away on a snowboarding junket, but I am back in town, so if you're still in LA, please let me know and we can hit Mr. Chow's for lunch...
Ok fair enough than u, everyone certainly is entitled to their opinion.
I have a different sort of empathy for Paul..losing John yes, was devastating to him, he admits, and then Linda.
But the thing is, he plods along, creating, developing his craft..
it's like Ringo said, "hey I'm drummer,that's who I am, that's what I do"
That's kind of a mute point,- Pauls' work with the Beatles or his work without them...don't you think? I mean we could argue that fact until the blackbirds come home. ; )
I like Pauls music. OK! not every single song, but most of it.
However, I will not get into John's ability/over Paul's ability.
That debate, I'm sure will live on forever.
eLLe
L: With all due respect to you and Sir Paul, he received that award for his work as a Beatle, not with Wings.
miss the mark? I think not...but I should explain further
To put in perspective:
I have argued in the past that people understimate Paul's contribution and overestimate John's (especially late). Paul and George Martin were the only true musicians.
His intellectual laziness regarding his music - I think Paul McCartney's complete post-Beatles discography and it's incosistency speaks for itself. Some people without their intellectual partners (or in John-Paul's case competitive/cooperative yin yang) make one solo album, go into a deep depression and don't make another solo album for 11 years (Doctor Fagen), while others continue to pour out mediocre to occasionally brilliant pop (Paul).
It's laziness of QUALITY, not QUANTITY. Just ask the Artist Formerly Known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince
Sure, we expect more out of Paul and perhaps that's unfair...and I'll go on record again and claim that Paul's post-Beatles stuff is still far more listenable than John's.
...and it's important to note that Paul's classical stuff doesn't stink up the joint like Billy Joel's. I lost an hour of my life 10 days ago curiously checking out an A&E special - I'm somehow pulling for Joel and Richard Woo, the pianist - but I"M NOT JOKING, that this side of John Tesh, Joel's new pieces were some of the most wretched stuff I've ever heard...
Having said that, I'm playing in Pittsburgh as the primary purpose per usual was humor and entertainment only (sometimes just to myself), but any discussion that it stirs is great.
Paul's new one is pretty good, but Ben Folds' still blows the doors off of it! Paul stuff when it works can have a magnetism that's undeniable. One thing I can say, that snippets and MPEGS from his new one are getting better with repeated listens and may surpass Flaming Pie levels??...
Hey, how about the singular vs. multiple voice Dan thing? anyone ? anyone? Beuhler? Beuhler?
Where IS Edd???!!!!
Did u know that Arthur C.Clark(2001-as if you didn't know-and 3001) works "with" MS, in conjunction with his
vision of the future of communications that he had as a boy?
meaning- he uses a PC.
Also he works with NASA.
have a nice day.
eLLe
OH yeah~~~ speaking of 'PH'ISH's bass player..he has put together a little fi-elle-mm, featuring various bassplayers, and will be broadcast on the Sundance Channel.. only I forget the date, hehee.. check it ouuuuut.
Soon-ish though
eLLe
OOOHCK- suits you sir
suits you
OOOOOOOhk suits you sir!!
hehee Danoooooooo!!!!!!!!
Love the new banner MC.. looks like they're realllllly looking at you!!
spooky!:/
Hey Duncan Donuts, Queen eh? Brian May, now there's a guitarist that never really seems to get his due. Too bad to, because he really is a sight to behold.
Hey tell us what the real "truth" about Freddie is, apart from the AIDS thingie, please.
eLLe
I think it was called Demillo's. Which One's Pink? just booked a gig at the Canyon Club in Agoura Hills 1/12/02. It's supposed to be a great new venue with good sound.
Oops! Almost forgot!
Wormy asked: "How is your sleep these days? - I may have some apnea problems as well"
Much better, Tom! That little CPAP machine is doing wonders. I'm actually enjoying sleeping again, for the first time in literally years. By all means get your sleep apnea checked out--the overnight sleep study test is admittedly a pain in the ass, but it's worth it to finally get the problem treated right once and for all.
/the Mam'zelle
Good morning/good afternoon, folks!
Howdy back at everyone who said howdy to me. And at everyone who hasn't had a chance to do so yet. :-)
Thought I'd share with you some other stuff I've been into to scratch that ol' itch while waiting for new input from Don 'n' Walt:
"Cowboy Bebop" -- a very adult anime (Japanese animation) video series, currently playing on the Cartoon Network's late-night so-called Adult Swim programming. Very film noir/post-cyberpunk/Mizar-5 feel to the show. And they aspire to take the "Bebop" in the title seriously, with a soundtrack studded with all-original jazz-inflected compositions. The music reminds me of Mr. Fagen's celebrated comments on the distinctions between jazz, fake jazz, and fake fake jazz, and how he liked 'em all. In this case, I like it too.
"Emeril Live"--okay, y'all may have already overdosed on the Bam Man's ubiquitous TV presence, and even I, a fan of his, must admit his primetime network sitcom is a bomb to be avoided at all cost. But his flagship taped-live cooking show remains IMO a real hoot. And of interest to this board is the fact that he always has live musicians on, and they're pretty damn good. The show's house band has got some serious session players who know how to groove. Musical guests have included Al Jarreau and Charlie Musselwhite. And Emeril's no slouch himself when he occasionally sits in on percussion (the word is that he was headed to music school on scholarship to play drums, when he decided to go to cooking school instead, and the rest, as they say, is history).
More later.
/the Mam'zelle
bebopin' and cookin' and otherwise gettin' down
µ~~ "So you figured if Mac was ever going to grow up at 60 yhears of age and the passing of the lovely Linda, this would be it...but then there's the fear of that inherent steak of laziness that permeates the solo career in one form or another."
Why does the term, "grow up" seem so disconnected with musicians, especially the lads from Liverpool, with that great sense of humour that we all fell in love with?
Grow up, in what way do µ mean?
Becoming one of the most sucessful bands in the world?
Inspiring future generations of musicians?
Being recognized by the Queen of England for your efforts?
Being a GREAT husband and dad?
Doing what you want, when you want, having no money worries at all?
Retaining a sense of humour throughout your live, even when your beloved partner passes?-( referring to Parkinsons' interview with him on the Beeb)
Having the means to express yourself musically in varied ways.
Laziness?
Lady Linda Louise died on April 17, 1998
Paul-(executive producer) released "WORKING CLASSICAL" in 1999
with the London Symphony Orchestra and the Loma Mar Quartet,
thus establishing himself in the "Classical" field.
Macca?
That is Sir Paul you speak of.
and Big Ups to him!!!!!!
I guess some don't understand what it is to truly love someone and lose
them. It seems some cannot comphrehend the depths of emotion or.. accomplishment.
headache?
sometimes my dear, you do go ON, even through we ALL know you are quite intelligent,sometimes you miss the mark entirely.
eLLe
StAl's been trapped in chat since sunday.. lol
god bless the BBC 2 great programs at the weekend, The real truth Freddie Mercury & an excellent Syd Barrett doc by the horizon team.
Saw Bridjet Jones's diary also great film had to mop Linda up after though.
Dan crawled for the first time on Sat night so busy at the moment moving everything off the floor caught him last night with sheryl crow CD in mouth.
Really busy @ work but still sort of managing to keep up with everyone.
db
FloriDavid: Glad to hear the vox is back
Figures... Couldn't get a soul to bite on my attempt to start a Steely Dan multiple vs. single voices thread...
I'm getting a headache. I was sampling Macca's new one: Driving Rain with a combination of delerious hope and skepticism. After every good Mac album (Band on the Run, Tug of War, Flowers in the Dirt) there's the inevitable letdown on the next one. Flaming Pie was a pretty decent album - could have been a great one without Jeff Lynne. Run Devil Run only contained 2 originals but was a nice, raw cover album. So you figured if Mac was ever going to grow up at 60 yhears of age and the passing of the lovely Linda, this would be it...but then there's the fear of that inherent steak of laziness that permeates the solo career in one form or another.
So...anyway the new one's not bad..but then it's hard to say it's really good either. Another woulda, shoulda, coulda. The main problem I think is time - as in not enough taken: to finish songs, really think about the production, maybe a couple of extra takes - problems never associated with Steely Dan. The songs are simple for the most part and remind me in a way of latter day Tom Petty. Of course they still SOUND like McCartney. This time the soundscape is less say mid-Beatles as with Flaming Pie and more like early solo/Wings Paul with a little White album thrown in. The lyrics are a LITTLE less banal than early solo Mac, but not much. The melodys are catchy though in the most annoying way and slowly creeping way. My head throbbing in particular is due to From a Lover to a Friend, a cloying tune that I can't get out of my head. However, it's not ALL painful. Heather (it's about f*** time) is a really nice song. She's Given Up Talking is a quirky and really interesting production. A couple of songs are even produced more like Neil Finn than blah McCartney.
I guess in the end, wasting time with Macca is a lot like golf. There's this one Tin Cup moment we're all looking for - that one shot on the course that keeps us coming back to the excruciating Presbyterian ritual invented in Scotland 100s of years ago. This time it's Tiny Bubble. Some of the best McCartney pop confection I've heard. My favorite song of his since My Brave Face. Really well layered and thoughtful though not extravagent in arrangement. Excellent bass work. Everything he's capable of.
great site !!!!!!!!
Hey All-Mac Vs. PC?....Anyway,it's a better thread than the Anon crap of old. For the Record..."Clockdrive World" recorded on a PC...Art work done on Mac.
Miz Ducky-Nice to see you back.You little Avant Garde Jammer you. Checked out the Neon Brown site..very cool looking "homegrown" Wooden Drum Kit in their Gig Pics.
MC/eLLe-long time Laurel Birch Fan here
Face - Good advice , but it's hard to keep a dedicated Mouse off the Treadmill.Sat around for 5 weeks...was torture. Couldn't even get a Buzz!
St Al-Hung around chat last night watching your name on screen...but you never spoke.
Wormy- Nice NYC color. Cruising with Aus and YGK...and the Sue Mingus night, very cool.
This Thursday the 29th we're having a service for my Brother who passed away. I have to deliver the Eulogy. Was hard to write but, I managed to force myself this past Sunday Morning.Did a search on Eulogies and got some guidance on writing them from the Net. Now I just have to get through the reading of it....
hi
welcome back Miss Ducklett
I too enjoy the more sanitized and sanitied GB (thanks Pat)
How is your sleep these days? - I may have some apnea problems as well
Mac vs PC - I love macs, own one at home
much more creative medium although the pc has come a long way
We all have Mr Gates and the hoarders at Mac to thank for their demise
IT certainly wasn't their operating systems. Here in the oil patch the geologists who are thinkers and risk takers enjoy macs and the engineers who are analitic and mechanical prefer pc's. Guess who won that battle?
Oh well, at least most artists, web designers and graphics people still use macs.
stevied - still reeling from Thanksgiving night
not only did I get to sit with Sue Mingus but Sy Johnson - one of Mingus' collaborator/arrangers (10 years in 70's) and his wife and Becka - the women who produces PBS saturday night Jazz programs were at our booth.Becka was a wealth of jass info and knew all the New Orleans jazz scene. I talked with Sy about his recent collaborations with one of my songwriting idols _ Elvis Costello, Elvis will be featured on the next Mingus Big Band disc and took the mere titles of some instrumentals and worked up full fledged lyrical journeys. Too bad he didn't sit in with the band that night. Many of the musicians introduced themselves as they came up to get paid between sets and reed extraordinaire John Stubblefield and I had a nice conversation - he's game for some gumbo at Jazzfest next spring.
wormy
St. Al: Font is definitely more readable.
NMN/Enimen: Saw a comic yesterday of a Boston Redsox fan on his knees in front of a TV set. The wife behind him says, "No honey, I don't think the Yankees will be one of the 2 teams dropped by MLB". Thought of you. :-)
W1P: Floating restaurant in Portland, that would that be Demilles, I believe? We spotted it after dinner, unfortunately. Bought some souvenirs in their gift shop. Seemed like a good place to eat. You flew WHAT airline? Isn't that a conflict of interest, sir? :-)
Bill: yes we know about the suits...when Sports Illustrated calls you drop everything...
Soaking up Aja in a secluded spot with no distractions Stevee. Have to get my hands on "the making of.." Also found oscillococcinum (is that right? I really wanted to go for the other spelling), you are right, very effective!
Floridav: doctor knows best man, your chords are delicate instruments, give them the time they need to completely heal, come back better than ever, it's worth the frustration.
Jim#: like old times is right and we need more of them, but where is that damn waitress, seems she hit the lottery and scoffs at our measley tips. Will have to tie her to the bar via apron, so what if she hurls our drinks and orders at us....Food Fight!!
ed: great to talk with you again, come back when you can stay longer!
Off to work, looks like rain, yeah!
JayDubz - Please check message no.122. Yay or Nay good sir?
MizDucky - Hello from a distant friend. Hope all is well amongst the drizzle.
Cheers all, from Chow.
damn ! did i just miss the mac v pc debate ?
damn ! check out disco siegfried & roy, here !...
... and now folks, for our next musical illusion !...
NYworm YES ! a colourful adventure ! aus, malc, and thee... par-tee ! and representin' with missus mingus, just doggin' the nycjazzplexscene. MAN...
so whoopie, i caught sting on da tee-vee. but really, it was quite good sting. like sd, he just gets jazzier as he goes and i ain't complainin'. duncan, this time he had manu "the man" katche on drums and even though he gives vinnie a run, i still missed vinnie. christian mcbride and chris botti made solid contributions...
dave, great to hear that the pipes still stand !
mc, congrats to you and shirl on the milestone. re: train. i have definitely represented them here as a new band that does not suck. i used to call them a nineties skynyrd and i meant that most kindly.
johnny a ? who brought him to my attention ? coincidentally or not, he is also on vai's favored nations label and i now have one on the way. i am so ON this...
we've been waiting dept: edbeat(ty), miz d, enimen, doc k, and of course gina. glad you all made it !
tones, the little bit of rainbow chilin' i've heard was jaz-zay and again, would i complain ? i reserve further commentary for furthur exposure but the outlying consensus is not too good. what i heard, i liked. i will say that i've got to credit him for being able to conceive this stuff supposedly without drugs...
"steviedan album of the week" TM (with a special dedication to chere):
"live plus", the new set by jill scott. girlfriend is all about taking up where marvin left off. this is "what's going on" and i don't mean that criminal limp biz-quilera rap version that's floating the airwaves as someone's sick "patriotic duty". sic marvin's old man on the lot, but check out the jill scott...
MC - great work!
Schwinn - hi there! Anything new about Hornsby?
C
St Alphonzo - yeah, yesterday and the day before. I thought it was something personal.
C
Macintosh people know who they are without anyone telling them. We are audio engineers, graphic designers, animators, etc. We are the 10% and proud of it.
No Dos Prompt,
SEMB
Portland Maine is a really fun place. I ate dinner on a floating resturaunt, caught a band (Aaron Katz?), went to a club where they mimic Coyote Ugly and have girls dancing on the bar and went to a mosh pit (also known as the local pizza parlor). Tonight I flew from Portand to Boston to LA on American -- it was a very strange feeling looking around the terminals and imagining Atta & Co. traveling the same route. I just wish we could have stopped it before it happened.
It's a trifects - so does Al Gore! However, Peter Gabriel does it and Tori Amos (hey, we know she does it), and that's good enough for me.
(IN)famous Mac users:
Harry Anderson
Dan Aykroyd
Lauren Bacall
Valerie Bertinelli
Tim Burton
Phoebe Cates
Dabney Coleman
Stephen Collins
Kevin Costner
Geena Davis
Danny DeVito
Clint Eastwood
Laurence Fishburne
Harrison Ford
Jodie Foster
Mel Gibson
Whoopi Goldberg
Jeff Goldblum
Tom Hanks
Mariel Hemingway
Dustin Hoffman
John Hughes
Samuel L. Jackson
Nicole Kidman
Kevin Klein
John Laroquette
Gary Oldman
Frank Oz
Vanessa Redgrave
Christian Slater
Wesley Snipes
James Woods
Robin Williams
Drew Carey
Steve Dahl
Roger Ebert
Michael J. Fox
Don Novello
Conan O'Brien
Jerry Seinfeld
Troy Aikman
Tori Amos
Buzz Aldrin
Rowan Atkinson
Bjork
Bono
Sandra Bullock
Tom Clancy
Francis Ford Coppola
Seymour Cray Đ inventor of the supercomputer
Michael Crichton
Sheryl Crow
Michael Eisner
Larry Ellison
Enya
Gloria Estefan
Peter Gabriel
Mikhael Gobechev
Al Gore
Amy Grant
Vaclav Havel
Seamus Heaney
King Hussein
Ken Kesey - Kool Aid colors memorial Mac series?
B.B. King
Spike Lee
George Lucas
Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Carlos Santana
Stephen Sondheim
Sting
Michael Stipe
Madam Vigdis
Paul Winter
Kristi Yamaguchi
Neil Young
Ben Stiller
John Cleese
Drew Barrymore
David Knopfler
Stephen King and of course...
The Ramones
Santa Alphonzo: I'll see your Quayle in the Bush and raise you a Walter and an Immortal
Miz Ducky: I, too, have been away too long. Perhaps it was due to the toxic nature of many posts... I'm sure part of my absence has been due to spending a lot of time chatting in the local region singles chatrooms as well as too much time spent at work... anyway, I will endeavor to check in more often because I have missed the bantor...
Why doesn't it surprise me that George W. Bush uses a MAC? I'll bet Dan Quayle does too...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Ok Mu, the ball's in your court...
Just testing a couple of tweaks to the layout. Can't make the names justify to the right without a complete change of the tables. Hoping the increased font makes it easier to see the poster's name?
I was viewing the GB right when you changed the header, St. Al. Really funny to refresh to a different look.
Ducky: Good to see you and glad you are back. Hope you manage to stay a while. The jam session sounds like a great time was had by all.
MC: Great job on the banner graphic.
Hey now! As you can see we've got a new guestbook header graphic courtesy of Midnight Cruiser. Loooks pretty spiffy! Thanks MC!
Ducky: I hear ya! Not to say I'm actually policing this bad boy. Just let it be known the anonymous types aren't as anonymous as they used to be. Seems to be helping, but I can't say I expect it to last forever... Good to see you around again.
Hey folks! Happy post-Thanksgiving recovery-from-tryptophan narcolepsy to all!
StAl--thank you, thank you, thank you for the new GB format.
Y'know, prior to this point, I didn't want to say anything for fear of adding fuel to the psycho-anon-posters' bonfire ... but I must confess that one of the reasons I'd been really scarce on the old GB in recent months was the increasing level of toxic postings. It's true that I was also swamped with work and school ... but what would happen would be that I'd try to check in with the GB in brief moments of respite between spasms of work-frenzy, only to find mass quantities of psychotic or, at best, content-free posts from anons, and just not have the heart (let alone the time) to wade through it all. Add to that the (for me) major turnoff of having to post right after one of those really nasty posts, and ... uh-uh. Just couldn't do it. So I kinda fell silent, and then I kinda fell off the board altogether for awhile ...
But now things are looking up around here, and I for one am majorly relieved!
On another note (so to speak): I got to fulfill a long-standing dream a few weeks ago, when I went over to the rehearsal space of a couple of friends to jam with them. They perform as a kinda avante-garde alterna-funk improv duo named Neon Brown (hmm, lets see if I can get some embedded HTML to work: this should link to the duo's site at http://www.neonbrown.com). Anyway, I amused myself, and them, with all sorts of whack vocal improv as we jammed for a couple of hours. It was way kewl if I do say so myself. We've got tentative plans to do some more in January, possibly with their recording equipment set up. If that happens and I get their permission, I will try to make MP3s available. I cannot overemphasize how completely and totally psyched I am about this.
More later. Cheers!
/the Mam'zelle
happy to be making a nest in this new abode
Ole: I got the song directly from your source.
fw
hey, it worked....at least I know how to post an image now....one more and I'm off to bed....just did a 12 + hour day and have another one starting at 5am in the morning.
'night all....catch ya Wednesday or Thursday.
MC
eLLe....thanks so much for the Laurel Birch calender!! Shirl told me to thank you too! We haven't gotten it yet but I told her to keep an eye on the mail this week. I got 2001b ICQ and it kept my old contact list but it seems a bit buggy....I'll try to work the bugs out Wednesday or Thursday while I'm off...Hope y'all are doing well there!
just curious to see if this will work....
Macs? PCs? A lot of cool people use Macs while others use PCs. Just to add to the mix: George H. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and Martha Stewart—all Mac devotees, although, consider the case of Martha: curiously enough, Kmart only briefly supported Macs for their bluelight.com dial-up. I also know a physicist and chemist who do Nobel prize level research with their Macs.
A great deal of my professional research involves studying how, where, and why people adopt and use the kinds of computers (and technology) they do--and then what they do with the technology once they "have it." I like to joke that I am professor of Religious Studies. When I lecture on this topic, I often read from "Zen and The Art of Motorcyle Maintenance" where one person describes how they maintains their motorcycle one way, while others prefer another. For you car drivers: "Auto transaxle or Manual?"
Like the adoption of any relatively new technology--which is really what I study--the decision as to which computers people buy and use often end up being made with most consideration given to popularity and wide-spread acceptance, versus new and effective ways of doing things in a particular situation--all because of the fear of being "different."
Personally, I regularly use and assist on on an intermediate-to-advanced level, users of Windows, (95-xp) as well as those of Macs and Unix (SGI, BSD, SunOS). I'm not just a PC or Mac person, although because I use Macs for some things, people automatically categorize me as "just" a Mac person. If you don't understand the feeling, it would be like telling someone you are a Steely Dan fan and have the person reply, "So all you listen to is "Rikki" and "Reelin'? I heard they just reunited last year after having never toured."
I've directed several studies on how people actually use Wintel and/or Mac and/or other computers. There's numerous opinions on this issue, but few people have decent data supporting their opinions. With very little concrete data on the topic, most people, including most IS and IT professionals, are NOT knowledgeable and experienced enough with all platforms to make a truly informed, unbiased decision as to what is best for particular person or user. Then there are those like me, you have one of each type, although, admittedly, my knowledge is more general.
With my background, Idon't tell people that a Mac or a PC or a Unix box is "better"—"better" in relation to what? I find out what they want to do, how they want to, it and ask other questions about how they approach new things, how they look at technology, and what social/work environment they use the computer in. From there, I guide them in a match. It's like trying on shoes. And sometimes the same person will wear boots for one situation and sneakers for another. Sometimes, people buy an "all-occassion shoe."
Some people mock computers that are made with innovative appearance, ergonomics or unusual industrial design concepts. Apple and Sony are examples of two computer companies who lean towards this to varying degrees of success as well as failure. Critics of this sort of innovation should consider that these ground-breaking computer designs can actually inspire computer uses to innovate and creates. Not everyone needs or experiences this, but for more people than one might think, this indeed has this sort of impact.
I think there is a lot of great things about Windows and other Microsoft products, I use them everyday on multiple platforms: From Word (Win and Mac) to Softimage to IIS and all sorts of Windows versions ; but I also think MS products are all too often adopted because of widespread familiarity rather than actual effectiveness and/or usefulness. There are better solutions. It's like going to McDonald's when a different kind of restaurant might be the thing but you don't necessarily know what to expect at the non-McD's restaurant.
Microsoft's settlement with the government--to provide more Microsoft products to poor schools--IMHO, actually aids and abets Microsoft in the very thing for which they were taken to court. Just compensation from MS should consist of giving these schools money to buy whatever technology that best addresses their needs, regardless of brand, even if from a company other than Microsoft or its associates.
I'm really wary of people who adhere to what are actually subjective criteria to insist one computer is better than another for everyone. In doing so, such people stifle the diversity that will promote "The Next Thing." Will the person who cures AIDS or Cancer be using a Windows PC, Unix, a Mac or a slide rule user? Who knows.
As far as the Steely Dan connection, based on articles in "EQ," photos at SD.com and what I have seen from the audience at Steely Dan shows, I see they use all kinds of computers, PCs. Macs. I'm sure they insist on using the technology that is best suited to their creating the best possible musical experience--and that varies from situation to situation. But it's apparent that Roger Nichols, for one, is a big Mac fan.
I also know that like Steely Dan, Macintoshes and their creators, get dismissed much more frequently than they deserve to be, and the general public doesn't understand their need to create their vision of perfection. You get it or you don't. On a certain level, I'm a Steely Dan fan for the same reason I follow and am inspired by Apple and what they create.
hey gang,
looks like the cuffs have been placed here, oh well if it keeps out the cheap riff raff all for it, I'm sure Pat held out as long as he could on this one
was in NYC last week - wow
caught up with Aussie and his charming friend David monday night in the lowly dismal Grand Central Station, we were seeing double all night and then headed down to aussie's plush pad in the Upper Village. Aussie is a real class act and a lot of fun to be around. Tuesday I caught a Big Apple Jam featuring Leo Nocentelli (meters), Bernie Worrell (p-funk and T heads), Stanton Moore (galatic) and Chris Wood (M, M&W)
The bass player for Fish and the guitarist for the Wailers sat in for a few numbers, young crowd who had no idea who Leo and Bernie were! Took the subway down to ground zero, things are still smoldering, what a sobering perspective
Spent wednesday in the American Museum Of Natural History (dino research)and blading Central Park (parents were tied up with balloon stuff). Caught Aussie and Malcolm (YGK) wed night went down to the village and had a great time bar hopping. Caught an NYC student band from Ireland called MrNorth, very passionate with strains of Jeff Buckley and U2, followed by a fun funk band. THursday I bladed up to the Dakota to take in the Macy's parade, mom and dad were on BLues CLues balloon. The police around the area told me to go ahead and skate it till somebody stopped me and I ended up blading from 79th to 42 street before getting pulled over. Had a great evening, Thanksgiving dinner at an Italian spot in the Village, then found CBGB and the Fez at TIme Square, thought I had Auss # on me but left it at the hotel, sorry we didn't hook up a third night, but our time together was fabulous. Couldn't believe it when I was invited over by none other than Sue Mingus herself to sit at her booth with some music friends and take in the Mingus Big Band, wow. Wasn't sure if it was the subway shaking or the band causing a micro earthquake, too nice. Unamplified and on fire. Sue informed me they will be doing Jazzfest this year and that they were working on a Mingus love disc, not all ballads from the hot stuff I heard that night!
Anyway I really enjoyed my time with Aussie and Malcolm. Two really nice guys, thanks alot to the both of you, and if you don't have Malcolm's Wonderground Radio disc go out and snap a copy up, great stuff
StAl , my computer was a bit dodgy this morning also. But as good as gold now??
Lp , Whats happenin Bostonian , hows the wee girls??
TWM , Should have sealed it first half but paid the price bigman , whats all that about with Ball?? He will be offski soon mate.
Duncan , Have all your work info will be in touch soon bigfella. By the way what did I say about Starsailor top top album ma man.
Chere , Hey lassie how is your Mum and family doing , hope all is well with the chere crowd.
Coldplay , starting American tour in December?? Anyone catching them over the pond.
Aja , How are you sweet girl , hope yir daen fine.
Ole , now have got BEN F F On the cd quite a bit now.
Aus , Malc how are you two Noo Yawkers doing , clue us in Mencub.
Dragon , did the pictures come through ok??
The Who Doing a Tour ?? Is that right or have I lost the plot??
Off for a few days with American clients??Just went into partnership with company called Pliant. Over here to get Muellered with us Sweaty Socks.
See you geezers in a few...........Regards Dano
Oh hello there...
MC.. I like Meet Virginia hahaaaa cool lyrics..ah to be young and fanciful
wait..
nah
I like it fine up here..the view is good and there isn't a draft ; )
Hey.. something is wrong with your icq ..maybe you dl-ed the new version and forgot to uncheck, "except messages from earlier version"
??
dunno..anyways I finally got around to sending the Laurel Birch!!!
I know... I know miracles never cease!
Look for it sometime this week.
Hope you and Shirl enjoy the cool cats.
eLLe
bill - nope, my son never showed up to do those lights! and between watching football and being online, mr. snakehips couldn't seem to find the time either. arghhh! they're not concerned enough about my happiness.
st. al - msn isn't concerned about my happiness either. i'll email you about it.
listened to Nightfly on the way to work today to get in a more upbeat mood. it didn't work.
mochalottajava - always a smile for you though ;-)
sh
checking in to see how the new contraption works...hi bros & sisters
mu: say it ain't so, intelligent? - my household is a constant struggle for supremacy so hopefully he won't see your post - lol - i need ammo for my battles! but, yes, i see your point - ;7
besides, why would i turn down a new 2001 IBM model computer?
StAl just sent you a mail message
ref Banyantrees morning sickness...
db
...lunch break
St.Al: yeah! Mornings while drinking my tea before I go to the floor for blood collection, I like to sit and read posts. The last two mornings I wasn't able to. I just figured you shut down for the evening.
...lunch break
St.Al: yeah! Mornings while drinking my tea before I go to the floor for blood collection, I like to sit and read posts. The last two mornings I wasn't able to. I just figured you shut down for the evening.
St. Al: Well... why not? :-o I do windows (lower case w), but not software. e-mail me with a succinct inservice on use of HTML tags, please.
re: viruses. Perhaps it's EASIER to fuck up a PC! That's one of the reasons I have a Mac at home - kids. They CAN"T screw it up. The young'uns are on the home site using Oregon Trail, GeoRunner, storymaking programs, writing on MS Word etc. during afternoons and weekends quite a bit. I just rebuild my hard drive (clean system reinstall) once a year whether it needs it or not. My 1984, 1990, and 1998 Apple and/or Macs are all functioning in perfect order after all these years.
With the Linux shell, your days are numbered!
The secret of Bill Gates is that he realized he could make products that supported multiple manufacturers. There are numerous PC clones and only one Apple/Mac...simply like leading sheep to slaughter.
Apple could have easily captured market share dominance if the pencil pushers that fired Jobs had a) LOWERED PRICES, b) offered better service, c) stopped worrying about potential Mac clones and gone after MARKET SHARE!, d) concentrated on compatibility instead of cult. It's mostly the fault of poor business judgments by Apple execs...
lp: Sounds like you have a highly intelligent husband!! Most architects and designers I know use Macs. The PC icons appear to have drawn by a squirrel!!
Clas: I thought you knew the Steely Dan songbooks are FUCKED! See liner notes on AiA re: reliability...but then I forgot Donald and Walter can't read music... ;-)
oooooooo st al - that's a great comeback when my husband bitches about all the virus software on our home computer - thanks! aha!
LP: MAC's immune to viruses? Psshaw... MAC's are immune cuz they represent a little over 10% of the installed base of computers. Just like the Steely Dan software on this site, no one bothers to write software (or viruses) because they represent such a small amount of potential users (or targets). Besides, many virus writers are usually Linux crackers with a major hard on against Micro$oft.
Mu: You Apple types have been saying that for years! Microsoft "won" a long time ago. End of discussion.
Hey, I don't necessarily like it. Even though I directly benefit from Microsoft's good fortune living in Seattle like I do, they piss me right hell off all the TIME. I'm seriously considering a major shift in my professional direction with a move towards Linux. I'm an MCSE in NT 4.0 and an MCP in 2000. Frankly, I'm not sure I'm going to continue this cert path.
Also -- image insertion on this guestbook requires HTML tags. Drag and drop no worky, silly Apple boy.
ST. Al:
Yes I did have a problem accessing the site this morning.
I had the same problem the other day also.
Hey Y'all!,
Well I must say that the "Steely Dan Rarities"
section of Andy Metzgers site is quite entertaining.
(That would be www.members.home.com/metzger/dan/sounds.htm)
I really dig the song "Mr.Sam" which I had'nt heard
until a few days ago. Another one that should have
been released....oh well...
Jim# :
C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL.....HIKE!
Hips:
Only 30 shopping days left till Christmas...
Is your son out of that tree yet?
Don't worry, you've got plenty of time :)
Steveedan:
I have no idea how to play piano.
I was thinking that I could move in with
you for several years...just until I get
the basics down...deal?
Cyn & Face:
Vogue magazine called...
It seems that two models made off with
all thier swimwear after an extensive shoot
down in St.Croix...they were reported to
have left the scene in a brand new green
Ford Explorer...any idea who that could be?
Arlean:
Nice to talk to you again. Hope everything is
going well.
GE:
Wow...is that really you GE? Excellent to
talk to you again the other night. Where
have you been oh sage of Salt Lake City?
Angel:
Don't worry about not playing an instrument.
We're moving in with Steevedan and he's going
to teach us keyboards from A to Z.
You did'nt need that TV job anyway right? :)
i'll have some fries with my Mac, why yes...
this Mac/PC argument is a big one in my house - i was given a brand new IBM computer that really rocks, imo, but my husband was almost going to refuse it because it wasn't a Mac - can you say stubborn? - he's a landscape architect and the design profession loves to be cool with their Mac's but i must say, now that i'm not in that profession anymore and now in the doledrums of government work,.....i see little or no difference between a pc and a mac and i've used both professionally - yes, mac was doin it before bill gates but bill finessed it a little better in the market and it took off - the perils of capitalism i suppose - the one thing i give lots of credit to macs is their inoculation to viruses, that is impressive to a surface computer user like me - i get irritated when my husband swears "damn pc!" at the computer when it is working slowly - usually this happens after my 8 year old has been on disney and/or pbs.org so i don't think it's the computer
why can't we just get along? sniff...;p
Has anyone else experienced problems accessing this site this morning?
Steeve - damm, too late.
Blaise - there's no must using a Mac for recording music. PC is just as good. That's what I heard. I myself are using an Atari.
11 - 12 years ago when I started learning doing graphics and stuff on a computer it happend to be on a PC. Back then it was hell communicate with photosetters/filmsetters and printing offices, it was Postscript-files this and eps-files that and PRN-files to hell and gone. Today there's no problem.
Well, for some Mac-users there are a problem to save their files in PC-formath, which makes my job a hell sometimes.
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Hi Clas - I completely understand what you are saying.
Before I got involved in the Steely Dan tribute band stuff (which has only been for the past 2 years), I used to amuse myself by practicing this music on my piano, at home, just for me. I played everything that I could fit under my hands, and would combine chords from piano, guitar, bass lines, vocal lines, solos, and rhythms. As I started to play in the bands, I found out that I was over-playing a lot of stuff, so I had to modify my playing. As I started to play with better musicians, I found that I could limit my playing even more. Now I am at the point where I only have to play what is actually played on the keyboards on these songs, nothing more. If I play more than this, I begin to step on the other musicians' parts.
A couple of days ago, I listened very closely to the chorus in Black Friday to learn that I still had some extra notes in my chords, and also, I found that there were two ways to play the chords in the chorus. There is always room for improvement.
If you are reading the guest book, come join me in chat. I will stay there for about 5 minutes to see if you come in. Please use one of those audible cues so that if I am in another window, I can hear that you are there.
Angel - hope you enjoyed your vacation, and yes, the extended ending on This All Too Mobile Home is my favorite part of that song too.
It was nice to see Bway Steve, Dragon, Face2Face, Cyn (oscillococcinum), and our fearless leader, St. Al in chat earler tonight.
By the way, I now check my vacuum cleaner for squirrels before I use it. That story is going to stick with me for a while me thinks.
See you all here soon.
Steveedan
SteeveDan - re Black Friday; - I had this songbook back in the late 70s, it said Ebm7-5 / A6/D / A/B
So I've had this “physicall memory” in my hands for over 20 years (funny thing is; I played Bm7/E on the piano and A/B on the guitar!!!) (that's being focused uh?).
And I kind of teased you in a friendly way, and now I got the answer, I am convinced. Ebm7 it is. But it's damn hard to hear, theoretically it should be a screming dissonance if I play a Ebm7-5 over a Ebm7-chord, right? I don't hear that scream. But, blame it on my ears.
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Lars - om du lyssnar i lurar pĺ Väst om Hollywood, slutet, när saxen lägger av, vrid upp volymen mycket. Det är definitivt nĺgon som säger nĺgonting, omöjligt att höra vad. Men vad spelar det för roll?
C
PS/ ‡Oh Brother Where Art Thou‡ - cool movie. Lots of banjo-freaks. Is this genre called “Knoxvillism”?
What a trip home from Phoenix, where they have plenty of bumper stickers/tee shirts/billboards, etc., celebrating the Diamondbacks. Man, they are a cruel bunch (NY needs this World Series, "F" em). :-)
Actually took upwards of 9 hours to get home today. Took about 7 hours going. Nasty out there. Glad to be home.
Peg/Aja: Sounds like a good time was had in San Diego. Wow, Hat too Flat showed up. How cool is that! Yes, someday I would like to hear them do This All Too Mobile Home, again. Back in March, I had not heard the song before. Now I know it well. My favorite part is actually the very long ending.
Bill: You don't want to hear me play an instrument, in Hicksville or not. I promise you, I can't play one. I can sing, though. :-)
St. Al: My friend is a real Mac fan. A special breed, that's for sure.
Back to work tomorrow.
Aja: Steely Damned played and you didn't call meeeeeee?!! Now what did we talk about? Cheap airfare, cheap cheap..........
Hmmmm...sounds like a Boston Warbler in here..
Midnite: Happy third prelim / asking congrats to the man from Danville, and my best to Shirl
TWM: Check out "Gaslight" an old movie I have yet to see myself but it's where the reference comes from. Details on the mugging please. Anything that doesn't kill you...
Hope everyone is keeping the 'pepto-bismol' close at hand - I know it helps when the old beer / wine / song / rich food are overdone
I just found out what 'Gaslighting' means. At a presentation I was giving through work on Fri, I met a charming lady from NYC, who, when talking about her boss, said; 'That guy is always gaslighting with his staff'. After a double take, and a check to see I had understood correctly, she explained that it meant to play with the minds of others. The good thing is that she was a big Dan fan. How small a world it is!
Does this definition fit in with others' thoughts. BTW?
daaaaaaaaaaaano, we was mugged, BTW!!
Hope every one is well, the place is still looking as cool as ever.
Peace
Al
Stevedan/MC: Yes, Monte left the squirrel outdoors to start hoarding for the winter. The only thing he kills is stray cats and only because they're so destructive environmentally. Luckily?, the coyotes have taken over that job.
An uneventful night, MC, but I would like to see some action. Otherwise the only compensation for standby is 1.25/hr whereas if I get called in I make 4hrs pay the first call then 1hrs pay after that. Sorry you're starting your heavy period. Is it once a month like mine( actually every fifth week)LOL. I'm guessing it's a 3week rotation like the local Michelin.
It's depressing how life revolves around your work schedule. Oh to have balls like D&W and do what you want to do with no assurance that the sheckles will flow. Speaking of which...
I'm reading RITY and I don't recall any early background other than they both had one sister and Donald took piano lessons( which suggests to me they weren't too poor). I would be interested in their relationship with the rest of the family, some anecdotes,vivid impressions that would possibly influence them later on.
jjeff....I missed the bit about the flying squirrel....do did Monte set it free or kill it? Hopefully if they're that rare he let it go. My mother in law actually had one as a pet when she was growing up. They found it as a baby and she raised it in the house until it was grown. I had never seen one until we moved out here almost 3 years ago. They're cool little critters. I haven't seen ours lately but I'm sure they're still cleaning up after the racoon, who cleans up after the birds at the feeder every day. Hope last night was fairly uneventful for you.
60 hour work week starts @ 5am EST Monday morning....I'll be scarce this week but will try to keep up with the pages format.
Happy weekend everybody -
To Aja (and mostly to Peg) -- The Steely Damned played Two Against Nature and This All Too Mobile Home last night? Darn! I would have loved to have seen both of those tunes performed live. I knew that TSD played Two Against Nature, but not This All Too Mobile Home. I wanted to play that song in my SD band, but it got shot down, for being too obscure. Oh well. Hey Peg, when are you all playing the Cannibal Room next? Maybe I can get to that gig. I have to see and meet you and the band.
NYBill, or AppleGangsta (or Batman) - I like it in California too much to move to Hicksville, but, keep me posted, OK? Regarding Negative Girl, I too have that 2VN song book, but I haven't tried to play that song from it. I would suggest that you go to Howard Wright's website and download his chart of Negative Girl. If you are playing it on guitar, you are in luck because he writes his charts in guitar tablature, and his charts are great (Hi Howard !!!) I played his chart of this song on piano about a year and a half ago and was impressed not only by his accurate charting but also by the fact that he prepared this chart within a couple months of the release of the 2VN CD. That was very impressive to me.
To jjeff - that story about the flying squirrel in the vacuum cleaner is classic faire. I am still laughing about it. Great thought pictures are conjured up by both the hidden squirrel, and messy Monte.
Well, that's about all I've got for now. See you all soon.
Steveedan
any Train fans out there? The band, not the mode of transportation. We've kicked back here listening to a Train concert on PPV while we're surfin' and I gotta say, it's pop music but it's damn good pop music! I had heard Meet Virginia and Drops of Jupiter but all the songs are interesting and a few are pretty exceptional. Says they're Bay Area dudes. Maybe some of y'all knew them before they were big time? Guess I'll be picking up the CD sometime this week.
nice cool, rainy night here in southside Virginia....cool tunes coming from the big screen, nice fire in the fireplace....soon to kick back on the couch with my darlin' and drift on off....man, I feel great tonight.....all kinds of mellow and stuff.
Hey, Shirl:Congrats to you and your man. Make an appearance here, girl. Take a bow. I'm sure you can boogie with the best.;-)
Off to sleep, perchance to get called. 'night.
Yo!,
St. Al:
We at Apple computer have made a note of your website.
Your home adress should shortly follow.
Change your name and leave the state while you can.
Mr. Jobs is not pleased.
AJA:
NYBill says "Grow up, Quit hiding behind anonymous names,
and Bite Me". You may choose whichever order to perform
the previous three requests that you like. :)
Hips:
Has your son put up those Christmas lights yet?
I think I saw him hanging upside-down from that
really big tree in the front yard...
Angel:
I'm thinking of buying Denny Dias's old house over in
Hicksville. I thought we could start a band with
Steveedan and practice downstairs in the basement.
Interested?
Steveedan:
Any ideas on the following chord progression for
this part of Negative Girl?
(Bbm9) The way she (Bbm6) looks she's (Gm11) draggin'
me out (C7#9) to dance with her (Gm/F) in (F#m/E) the
(Fm/Eb) summer (Em/D) rain (Dbmaj7)
It comes from the TVN songbook published by Cherry lane.
Most of it works pretty good on guitar but the end part
i'm not so sure about.
NYBill
Blaise....St.Al posted a link to lavasoft here a while back. They have a freeware program called Ad-Aware that's great for removing ALL remnants of those POS programs. It gets rid of all traces of them including registry entries and makes it super easy to do. I highly recommend it! I think it's at www.lavasoft.com
jjeff....those little symbols are super easy to do....to get the tongue you can hit and hold the ALT key and then hit 0254 on the number pad. All those symbols can be had with different numbers following a hit & hold on the ALT key. You can search and find a complete list for all of them.
well, it was 3 years ago today I asked Shirl to marry me....we went out and had a wonderful dinner tonight....it's been a great day....life is good....what else can I say?
MC: The tongue was neat! Since I'm not the only one using this PC, I'll stay away from the wingdings. I was fooling around with the one in the lab and couldn't get the sad face to go away.
My oldest brother found a flying squirrel( don't know what kind, just had big eyes and a membrane between his limbs) camping out in his vacuum cleaner last month. They're a rarity around here. He had the entire hose filled with bird seed. I know that says alot for Monte's housecleaning.
You tell 'em µ! I don't have any particular "hate" for Bill Gates Inc. (after all, it's not like he's Michael Jackson or something), but Big Brother is definitely here, and he's definitely not using a Mac...
Btw ß... I've got no trouble uninstalling "intrusive piece(s) of shit" on my Mac without a degree in computer science, *unless* the "i.p.o.s." is made by Microcrap or AOL. "Insidious" is the word that comes to mind. One thing that keeps me sleeping peacefully at night is knowing that by the time Microsoft completes the Deathstar, is will be way behind schedule, and so buggy that it won't be nearly as destructive as originally planned... especially without the third party upgrades...
:-) - that picture was for Peg...
Mac peace... through the Windows at work...
t
Oh, btw... can't wait to get an X-box...
I'm just poppin' in here for an "it's a fact" before I lose the name of that instrument at the intro to Rikki.
Did you know that The National Film Board of Canada used to start their films with the Flopanda intro to Rikki, while their Logo sorted itself out on the screen? It's a fact!
Yes I'm reading Reeling in the Years even though the consensus here seemed to leave me wondering whether I should or not. Any other suggestions for reading that will make my librarian step away from me?
St. Al: I agree that Aplle and Steve Jobs largest self-imposed obstacle historically has been arrogance and overprotection of their OS. The result has been loss of market share due to higher prices, less than accessible support, and baffling software manufacturers with little notice before more cool stuff comes out. Jobs "second coming" (he was fired in the early 90s) though has been generally a success, except for the massive misstep - the Cube (priced and featured in no-man's land). He's given away the USB port system and IEEE 1394 (firewire) making them industry standards. The key in the future will be lower prices, more free stuff, and compatibility with the PC world. I can read most PC files (all if I turn on Virtual PC), but not vice versa...
Macs do make useful servers and are files more compatible on a PC server (IF YOU HAVE the Supporting software - and it's true not all administrators want to do that). I think the movement toward a Linux shell (Operating System 10.1) that still retains the Mac user friendliness should help you admin. guyz in the long run. They still have bugs in OS X (ten), so I'm waiting a year or two to change over.
You DO know we will win in the end, don't you? ;-)
µ,
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; ţ (that's me sticking out my tongue)
MC
Dano: He was probably referring to the Yahoo Steely Dan club. Though I still love DMB I'm not at all excited about their latest offering. In fact, I find it uninspiring and rather boring. Not enough groove.
Ahh... One of my favorite debate topics. MAC vs. PC.
Here's my spin coming from a system administrator's point of view. MAC's have no place in the enterprise. In the day to day business world they are a joke. A toy if you will. From an administrators standpoint MAC's are uncontrollable, unfriendly and downright nasty to deal with. They cannot be centrally controlled and they don't like playing nice-nice in large computer network. Their files system sucks and they have a difficult time living in a heterogeneous computing environment where differing OS'es can share information. Not impossible, mind you, just tough. Whereas Linux and Windows can peacefully coexists all day long...
The MAC's RISC processor is superior to Intel's Pentium in some calculations, especially when it comes to some Photoshop effects and Bryce renderings. They used to blow the doors off the Intel architecture. Not anymore. In fact, most in the Apple community are bemoaning the latest G whateva's rather anemic processor.
There are some 50 Windows applications to every 1 Apple application. You can do anything as well on the PC now as you can on the MAC. This isn't to say the MAC doesn't blow the doors off the PC in some niche areas like Mu mentioned, but it can be done.
Apple is a monopoly in the worst way. If you don't think so you're deluding yourself. In fact, their arrogance cost them the title many, many years ago. This arrogance stills exists and will forever position them as an incidental player in the computing world.
Microsoft sucks. But to let this cloud your judgment simply because of this fact, you're seriously cutting off your nose in spite of your face. To use a MAC because you like it and you're most familiar with is fine of course. No, if your reason for choosing a MAC has anything to do with your hatred of Microsoft, try Linux instead.
Oh, and before any of you throw the security (or lack of) and virus argument in my face, you can bet if Linux and Apple were are as ubiquitous as Windows, we'd see their share of these common problems.
Signed, #1 Flake
Oh yeah... can you do ‡ll THIS on your PC? §µĆ §¶Ä÷Ť˝ þ¶ż´«·Ď ĺ÷ׂü®¸÷Ś ŻŕĽ»¦¤ ˘ŁŞ¨µµµ µµµµµµµ ;-)
Caught the Steely Damned last night-DAMN! Peg, you guys were unbelievable! The 'Damned played "Two Against Nature" and "This All Too Mobile Home" among the varied repertoire. Every song was note perfect (though every time I hear "Black Cow" I shudder in disgust) As I was waiting for the band to start a handsome stranger came over to my table, plunks his drink down and sits right next to me. Just as I was about to ask him what he thought he was doing I recognized him in the dim light-Hat2flat! He flew in from Dallas just to catch this show-now that's a crazed danfan. Great seeing you again, Geoff!
Peg-you looked like you were having so much fun up there, and it was great to see you getting back that spirit again. Hope things are looking up.
Hi Jim#, ole, wonderworm, Cyn (glad the vacation hit the spot) lp, Midnite, Dano, Al, the good Dr. Aus, Blaise, Dragon, et al! Wish you all could have been there.
NYBill-very doubtful. I've seen e-mail you sent to other posters and I will take the same action they did if necessary.
chere-got your message and called you back. Will be in and out the rest of the weekend if you want to try again. Can't wait to catch up, grrrlie.
Aja
§: Macs are the most commonly used computer in Education en masse from K through grad. school. It's way superior re: digital video and image processing (just ask Hoops!) - which is important in our teaching lab. and classrooms. Also, digital imaging has exploded in research and clinical protein analysis. This uses among other things something called immunohistochemistry where an antbody binds to a protein in question, and a secodary antibody with say a fluorescent (glowing) "tag." That way, I can visualize the amount and/or location of the protein in a cell. Other compounds as simple as calcium can be traced directly with fluorescent and chemiluminescent (think firefly) probes and imaged. With a G4, digital camera, microscope, iMovie2, Final Cut Pro, iDVD, the NIH Image Analysis, LabView software (Austin, TX company), you rule the world! Seriously, Macs are the PC of choice in the Med. School and Dept. of Biocehemsitry and Biophysics here...where art and science merge...all graphite and glitter...
Speaking of Digital Imaging...we saw Harry Potter yesterday (along with some trailers for Monsters, Inc. Spirit, etc). The special effects using digital video are absolutely stunning today - an amazing improvement just in the last 3 years. The fierce competition between Pixar and DreamWorks/Industrial Light & Magic is yielding stunning dividends...oh yeah, the movie was pretty good as well...CSI (and from the appearance 24) use digital video camperas and imaging on the tube. Besides the occasional basketball or college football game or news, 24 (on tape) is the only drama or comedy program I frequent - hell of a rollercoaster ride to far..
ß - style over substance???? that´s an engineer's approach to the question. What substance? If people were free to choose I'm pretty sure most pick Apple. At work we have those flakes called system-manager's and they are engineer's by heart and education. At my university they stopped serving mac-users due to costs (but most due to general incapabalities). So, if you want to use the same programs and work with your documents at home you "must" have a pc at home. At my childrens school's they can't spell to macintsoooslckj; my internet-bank supported only pc's at their start-up ... on and on. They're all on Gate's pay-roll. Fuckin´stupid.
whaaaaah .... feeling the genuine stranger now here!
my first time here since days, weeks.
all has changed.
speechless.
smooch,
G.
LP ~ It's an acronym for "Microsoft Internet Explorer"
Hoping everyone had a great Thanksgiving!
hey dudes -
on the computer listing at the bottom of the box - what's MSIE?
"stomp" was excellent last night - sure glad i got rid of my hangover before i went out, that stomping would have been a killer otherwise, but instead it was very creative and fun to watch - dinner at toscano's on charles street was excellent (nmn, where are u?) before the show and then after the show dessert at caffe paradiso in harvard square - such is the life no?
St Al........Pat what about this then mate??
Yesterday when driving home listening to Virgin Radio , one of the largest radio stations in the UK the DJ Russ Williams was saying he had a lot of people from San Fran asking him to play more of The Dave Mathews Band over here in the UK. Russ ponted out that he has been playing DM for a while and rated them very highly? But the wierd thing was Pat he went on to say that all the e-mails etc etc was from the Steely Dan fan club in the States, and mentioning the fact that they have a website, a chat room so on and so on and a message board.......So Pat now your famous??
1. Do you know who that possibly was from the Bay Area plugging The Dan And Dave Mathews.
2. Is it anyone from the GB.
3. Can St Al or anyone else reading this shed any light on this??
Regards Dano
µ: Walter uses a Mac 'cause he's a musician (and besides he has paid endorsements). Graphic artists like it a lot too. Why you, a scientist, prefer style over substance is still puzzling. ;-)
I wonder if this new sniffing feature picks up the ME/XP Pro dual-boot on my ahem... other machine... lol
Hotbar? I uninstalled this intrusive piece of shit about a year ago. The stench of it is still embedded all over the registry, I see.
That's 95 OSR2.5, mind you. Universally sopported, very lean and stable still... don't laugh. The record shows this basic setup is extremely hard to crash, obviously. ha!
Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving/Turkey Day/NFL Double Headless Day...
Anybody notice the use of "multiple voices" in tvN as opposed to Aja and earlier albums. In other words, on earlier albums themes and multiple themes were presented in series with increasingly sophisticated accompanyment. Certainly themes or bits of themes were traded from instrument to instument ot vocals etc. Like the "call and repeat" bewteen the horns and guitar on my old school. But then a trick used from folk song "rounds" to classical to jazz to Brian Wilson's Pet Sounds appears. The insturmental break or bridge on My Rival or Century's End are examples. They go from simply "trading fours" to a layered dialogue between the insturments - each with its own theme that's more than an accompanyment. I hear it on Gaslighting Abbie, What a Shame About Me (Rhodes vs. guitar vs. bass), Two Against Nature, Negative Girl, and West of Hollywood.
I think because our rock era "pop" ears are used to linear movement of a song with accompanyment, that if possible tvN has been underestimated by some...tawk amongst yahselves...
Peg: Keep on swinging and shaken!
Careful though...
1. Walter uses a Mac
2. Windows is simply MAC OS emulation over a DOS shell. I think finally the new Windows programs aren't written over DOS??, which was a simple and not very good (compared with CP/M) system purchase by Bill Gates for a pittance and distributed to earliy monochrome IBM-compatible PCs.
While Steve Jobs and Steve Wazniak were making their first home-made personal computers in the 70s at Cal-Berekely, Bill Gates was doing some software projects at Harvard. Wazniak and Jobs marketed the first commercial PCs along with Atari and Commodore about '79-'80 since at that time IBM was uninterested (I've got and Apple IIe that's even now functional and I still use for some stats.. Then a couple of years later, Waz and Jobs convince Xerox to let them use an algorithm that operates the "mouse" and Lisa is born. Shortly thereafter, the MacIntosh is created. The Mac OS used to be in ROM, so it was in the "hardware." Since hardware it patentable, that ensure exclusivity. Jobs needs software, and Gates is not a multi-billiionaire yet, so Gates who covets the Mac OS, convinces Apple, Inc. to let him write some software. He borrows a few early Macs to ensure Microsoft's ware will be compatible...but the real purpose is to identify the Mac OS algorithms and write a software program (to be know as Windows) that emulates the Mac OS. Now that Windows is added to the DOS shell. Gates the makes billions, gets laid, and builds a 30,000 sq ft place, because he has the foresight to choose market share over exclusivity.
Peg....no worries....believe me, I understand where you're at.....feel free to drop me a line anytime about anything....one of these days I'll take you up on that beer....hope y'all played a killer set tonight.
MC
Hi Peg -
I hope you and the whole Damned crew knock 'em off their feet tonight. I am dying to see you and Mr. Tedde and co. play in person. For some reason, I keep blowing it. I have to see you play. I will see you play.
Have a great night !!! I wish I were there.
Steveedan
Midnight Cruiser - I never did write the whole story for you. Maybe when we meet someday, we can talk about it all over a beer or something. Writing about it is going to bring back too much of what I'm trying to let go.
Thanks for your support.
St.Al.: I do like this format. I agree that it would be easier on the eye to have the person's name left-justified.
I also like the tidbit at the end about the kind of computer the poster is using; I think it offers a bit of a clue about the person him/herself, and sets the tone for how to respond. I mean, if it's a MAC, you've gotta be simplistic, use a lot of pictures and icons, and use cutesy beep-type sounds. This really works for those guys.
That was just a little note directed toward a few of my friends that I know read this book - you know who you are! Love you!
Peg
p.s. For anyone is San Diego, The Steely Damned is playing tonight in the Cannibal Bar at the Catamaran Hotel in Pacific Beach. We start at 9:30 p.m. Just got back from setting up and sound check - it's going to be fun tonight!
Floridavid....glad to hear you're on the mend. Just don't over do it! I tried to add you to my ICQ list but couldn't. Do the authorization thing when you get a chance.
StAlphonzo you need to put an asterisk beside the email field.
Happy Belated Thanksgiving. Thankful for good food, good friends, good music and much more. I won't get corny and sentimental by mentioning all the things that much more includes.
I tried to post last night but couldn't. I don't know what the problem was StAl it said, Oops you forgot to fill in the fields of info with an asterisk but I had.
Any way yesterday I spent Thanksgiving with my Mom and friends of the family who had invited us over to thier place. Had the best turkey I've ever had and I'm listening to this music that I'll not mention the names of the artists but I used to listen to years ago but I've since moved on that my friend mentions he bought as a compilation off of TV, and then suddenly Steely Dan comes on and I ask if this was on the compilation and he says, "No, this is Steely Dan"! I mention I love SD and he says, "I LOVE Steely Dan"! So he and roommate may very well be coming to Orlando DanNiteOut or DayOut.
By the end of the day I find out (not really that much of a surprise) that my friend and I have CD collections that overlap about 60%) and my Mom likes Alan Parsons Project and she doesn't know who Van Morrison is (big surprise).
Floridavid -- Glad to hear things are going well. Best of luck in the rest of your recovery. Take it easy! Don't go singing the National Athem or any Operas just yet.
Dragon
JW Malibu,
Mr Chow will be in L.A first week of December. I owe you a lunch. Do you have time?
Sorry about that last post...hehe...messed up Aja's name...
oh well...
Asa :
Hi Asa! Just wanted to introduce myself...
My name is NYBill, you know from New York?
I really love your email adress...
What is it again? Hi? Yes but Hi@what?
I really feel that we have a lot in common
and will become really good friends.
Thanks for mentioning me in your post.
I appreciate it...really.
Aja, when all my dime-dancing is through,
I run to you...
Chips -
Your point is well taken. I wish you a very Happy Post-Thanksgiving Friday.
I also want to wish you a Happy Nightfly, and a Happy Ha Ha.
Also a very very Happy "I'm Gumby, Dammit !!!"
Happy, Happy, Chips, Chips.
(A Very Happy, Happy) Steveedan (Joy, Joy)
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REQUEST as we move into the "holiday" season: let's lose the word "holiday", shall we? - yesterday the holiday was Thanksgiving in this country, can't we just say Happy Thanksgiving instead of Happy Holiday? It's not an ambiguous holiday, it's THANKSGIVING, dammit! So, at Hannukah, say Happy Hannukah (excuse ignorant spelling) and at Christmas, say Merry Christmas, okay?
Steely Dan note: I played The Nightfly as part of dinner CD choices, found it fitting for the day
Holiday greetings to one and all --
St. Al - I didn't know that this new posting board made the anonymous posters more visible to you. This is a good thing. Though I too do not want you to have to police the board, I'm glad that posting in a responsible and mature manner is becoming the expected type of behaviour around here. No more enraged outbursts from me like the one I posted from a few days ago. I had no patience that day (no, really?). Again, thank you for the hard work and time that you have devoted to this place.
Howard - In addition to all of the things that I look up to you for, I want to add to the list the fact that you are always cool-headed. I suppose that even Clas is aware that it is just not acceptable to contradict you or incite you to a battle of words.
As usual, after I got a response from you (again thanks) I went to the original recording and took a good hard listen to it. As a result, I have modified the chords that I am going to play on Black Friday. Yes you are right, I did sneak an extra F# tone into those last 2 chords. Bad habit of mine.
Here is how I hear the last three chords of the chorus:
Ebm7 - A/D - A/B
Here are the specific voicings (the notation is from left hand / right hand):
Eb/Bb-Db-Gb - D/A-C#-E-F# - B/A-C#-E
It is hard to hear the keyboard on the first two chords when there is singing, but in the solo section it seems that the top note in those two chords is F# (or Gb enharmonically speaking). The third keyboard chord is much easier to hear and E is definitely the top note in that chord.
Thank you Howard, you always inspire me to do my best work.
Clas - if you are reading this, I humbly suggest that take this down. This is really accurate. Not that I ever presume to tell you what to do. After all, you are your own man!
Floridavid - I am very glad to hear that your voice is coming back, please do not try to do too much too soon. Everything will be alright.
Hello to everyone else reading and posting here. Take care y'all.
The mellower and more morally responsible Steveedan
Hi,
So this is where you all went?(LAUGH)
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Ed,Terry,Lora B.
New guestbook quick FAQ: "Anonymity also allows heroes to act like saviors, since id's won't let them." "All identity does is allow cowards to act normal." This person is obviously sick and needs the professional help I mentioned above. Seriously.
Clas, Steveedan et al:
I finally had a chance to listen through to THAT chord in Black Friday. Ebm7? Ebm7-5? Well, I hear Ebm7. The keyboard has some serious phasing on it, and it's a little low in the mix, but I think I hear it play a F# major triad here (A# C# F#), followed by two A major triads for the A/D and A/B chords.
One other thing that helps - the harmony vocals for these changes start with a high A# and C# for the Eb chord, then the A# drops a note to A. This fits with the Ebm7 to A/D change. The A# (Bb) note high up in the harmony vocals is quite easy to pick out, which means it really has to be a straight 5th in the Ebm7, not a flat 5th.
Stevee - did you say you used A6/D and A6/B for those last two chords? Where do you hear that 6th coming from? I can't hear it in the keyboards or the vocals...
Maybe it's just another one of those notes you like to sneak into these Steely Dan chords...?! It could work in the chord with the D bass, but I'm not sure about the A/B chord.
have a good weekend folks.
Howard
Hey LP, I'm just now leaving for Portland Maine! I hope there is some decent metal up there!
found this in a drawer at the weekend !!
worked in slippers today again...
chat later anyone
db
Hello Everyone,
Thanksgiving was great. Hope yours was too.
St Al:
Well It seems that our anon friends are'nt completely gone yet.
My suggestion about federalizing GB security and placing National
Guard troops at all entrances and exits seems to make more sense
now does'nt it? I understand that a registered email adress list
combined with fingerprinting and eye scans really works well also.
Chere:
Thinking of you. Hoping you feel better. You're one of my
favorites here.
Hips: Now EVERYBODY's wearing a tiara it seems...lol!
Dave:
We were all ROFL over that email you sent. Some people just need
an reminder of what their ass is for i guess...lmao!
Don and Walt:
Hope your Thanksgiving was as great as you are!
ps...I was warned that Walt's recipe for stuffing might
actually cause a turkey to explode under cetain circumstances.
Thanks anyway...
Happy "Post" Thanksgiving to all. Nice page, Sanctus Al.
MC...Saw Harry Potter last Monday with Eiann, Cody and a bunch of Code's friends from college. We all Loved it too! Eiann and I read all the books. so if you can, try to read them. So much more in them that wasn't filmed.
Chere..Hope you are feeling better! Keepin' you in my thoughts!
Elle...Nice ta see ya back, bring it on, sistah!
SH...went into store on St Croix to buy more jewelry, and there was a young girl(Teen) wearing a Tiara...lol! I ask her why nobody told me it was Tiara Day in Christensted. She said I could go next door to the "copy, fake" store, they had them there. I said" Moi? in fakes? I don't think so" But I did buy some great gold hoops and a pair of black pearl earrings.My jewelry box runneth over, hahaha!
LP...I did have that drink...Thanks!
Floridav...Amen to you, am so glad your voice is coming back.
Question? Does anyone else seem to hear more Steely Dan at the grocery store than before?
hey, i'm going to see "stomp" tonight here in boston, anyone seen it? aus? malc? lady b? mib? nmn? comments? dinner options?
i'm not sure everyone has checked in, nmn, mib, lady b for instance, but it was good to see the ones that did - haven't seen their names in a while - made me feel like a newbie again, hehe
hope thanksgiving was hearty and happy
Mid Cruiser, its the younger Doyle who toured with Roger in the USA 99-2000.
Medic!
NYBill/Real Truth/Whatever: no, the OTHER GB was boring thanks to you!
No Blaisie, we can still get bizarre without the lowlifes screaming for attention ad nauseum. Your anons are the best of all anyway; I'm still not mixing voodoo with bad poetry!
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I'm thankful for having been able to get through Singing my first Gig since Surgery last night. My voice sounds normal but maybe a bit weak.They say it was supposed to be 2 months for singing but I've been off long enough. The Audience (mostly regulars) was very kind and supportive.Anyway, I hope you all had a great Turkey Day. David
St. AL: So now you and everybody else here can see IP'S. Man, is this place going to get boring now. Your whole rap the last 6 years about censoring and aninimity is shot to shit. You are no better than Hoops now. You sold out. You my friend, are a liar.
Happy Thanksgiving
Aja....you little weasel !! I wanted to be #100. *lol*
W1P....is that Doyle Bramhall II that played with Arc Angels or his dad? The younger Doyle is a helluva guitar player & singer.
Shirl & I went to see Harry Potter this afternoon....no, we don't have kids so we had no excuse other than wanting to see it. It was thoroughly entertaining! Kinda like Star Wars with a wizards slant instead of a space theme. Very well done movie. Good for all ages!
time to kick back and relax a bit....the madness begins tomorrow, bright and early....I'll be at home while Shirl get to work a split shift starting at 7am. My turn to sleep in!
Edd Cote....COME ON DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy Turkey day to all you turkeys.
MC
Hey everybody, last night I went to a studio where a friend of mine was laying down an audition tape to repace Doyle Bramhall on Roger's upcoming South America, Europe, Asia, Austrialia tour. It is a small world among Floydiacs.
Sorry, just wanted to be #100 ;o)
Agent 99!
Anybody knows what Denny Dias is up for these days? I've learned years ago that THE guitarplayer Dias left the musicbusiness for computing. But, I saw his name on a site (Musicians Development Institute) where they said he worked on some tracks (for an album?) in 2000. Is it the same project that der Fogel once had a clip from on his site? If so he's even worse than D&W on spending time in studio... .
ole - great performance from the Berklee-kids. "Book of Liars" was outstanding with females both on vocals and trombone. Another female attraction was the wild japanese keyboard-angel.
Yes! There is internet connection here in Phoenix. Happy Thanksgiving to you all. (and a Hi to you Blaise, you wild Canadian). :-)
6 1/2 hours in a car and no Dan allowed by the other occupants. What a bummer. I will be more forceful on the return trip.
Enjoy the food and fun.
re: Aja on anonymity. I figure it's very hard to have it both ways, sorting the good from the not so good but IP logging as a security measure still allows the occasional underground fly post. The only difference is that if you ever cross that shifty line, in terms of taste. It becomes possible to make one accountable for his/her words, as it should be. Thinking twice before speaking out never hurt anyone.
I like the text boxes too, tones. I wonder if some contrast with the background color wouldn't be easier on the eyes but that's just me.
And guys, it's not Thanksgiving in Canada. That was weeks ago. Wish me "Happy NFL Doubleheader Day" or something and I might relate a little better. lol
Merry Stuffing to my American friends.
Mem-riiiiiies of the way we weeeeeere... sigh
Alright, I promise I won't abuse the new features. All in the right measure this will be. Don't get all up in arms already, you troopers. Trust me on this.
Mu - And the Coors concert is not even the best recording out there. The performance is good but there is a strange flanging effect throughout. It makes the more straight-ahead rock numbers like Night By Night and Do It Again resound anew but the rest suffers a little from that glitch. Nice to see an update of Metzger's sound page nevertheless.
ole - "Mad francophone"? Moi? Is that the first instance of name-calling on record, moderator? Just teasing ya. Nice to see YOU around again as well for you have been quite ellusive lately yourself.
Aja brings up some interesting points there, I must say.
hey, happy thanksgiving to one and all
i give thanks today for the poor nautical navigation skills of the vikings, the british and the spanish and countless others likely who came here looking for someplace else - kind of sets the tone, doesn't it
back to cooking and cleaning for me
Pat, super job, as always. I have to echo what Aja (how ya doin' girl?) wrote about the name / handle, as a suggestion. How about a left margin alignment on the name only?
It is sweet, to see some familiar names, though. On the left, on the right...let the prose flow.
My favorite part of the new digs so far is the wall to wall carpet... plush, just like the video/dvd... feels good to kick off the shoes at the door... Btw, was this a pot luck? Speaking of which, I was supposed to make pecan pies for tomorrow, and after wandering around the store for an hour after work, then coming home and eating, I remembered the *EGGS* I forgot... Ugh! Looks like grocery store pies for tomorrow...
Happy T-day everyone!
And while we got everyone here... it's time for our annual...
GROUP HUG!!!
Love seeing all the "real soul, talkin' 'bout the real soul, people" back. Yep... this is no one night stand, it's a real occasion. It will take a lot more than anegymous clowns to brake the bonds that have been formed here. And I for one am proud 2 b a part of this number... so, thanks everyone. You people rock.
imho...
St. Al... Ultra thanks to you. Can you be promoted above saint?
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µ - pssst! Forget all that stuff I said above. It's us mac users against the world! The rebel alliance must stick together! Like John Lennon said: "Power(pc's) to the people!" Btw, mine's a 7600/120...
stevied - dying to hear your impressions of "The Rainbow Children"...
Here's an "Oh My!!!" for old times sake... ;-)
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don't worry st. al, our little stupidities will survive without a proper field in which to insert them. hence...
steviedan
i see the turkey in your soul...
who is the turkey amigo ? why is he lying there with the special whole wheat dressing, and that cran-berry sau-auce ? ...
really thankful to see braise, er... blaise back. i know you're crashin' at your own pad these days, but the couch still folds out at the new place here...
i think that snowbound, sfknight, and fatherwilliam have been hidin' out here, just waiting for us to smoke 'em out...
hey everyone ! ollie ollie oxen free ! ding dong the witch is dead already !
happy t-g-day !
Hi Y'all,
Well the folks here at the psyche ward of Bellevue Hospital
have assured me that they will be serving pumpkin pie
and ice cream tommorrow, so that's a relief...
Unfortunately the medical staff has decided not to
grant me any off-grounds priviledges for Thanksgiving Day
so I will be unable to visit any of you personally :(
but I will be thinking of you :)
Safe Travel and Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
CALLING EDD! You can come back now...
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Been a long day and I'm still not done cooking.
All the suggestions from everyone have been noted. The most common is something I can't really do anything about at this time. The e-mail field is what it is.
StAl
Whew! HAD to get in the first 100 anyway.
St. Al, is it OK if I put BOTOX instead of NOBOTS? You know, a couple of years ago I had a dream that I went away for a while and when I came back the GB had images, drawings, movies even. Damn.
Well, now that we don't have any little header messages, I can reveal that almost since day one (my day one) every one of my subjects has included the letter "o." My little game is over.
Fr. Wm--You know, I have tried half a dozen times to send you that song and failed. I will NOT give up. I read "Diamond Age" and "Snow Crash," and now you've given me a great road read idea! How you doing with GR?
angel--thanx for mentioning fever dreams. And for remembering the url, which I never can. I MUST get a proper domain one of these days.
Blaise--hello you mad francophone. This place is triste without you.
Big Fan--Thx for the tip. I saw Charlie Hunter here a couple of years back--he is wild, and astonishing how he wields that crazy gitbass. I liked "Natty Dread"--this new one sounds kind of like a mishmosh, but I'm game.
Lars--I'm also digging the Berklee cd. Which songs do you think work the best?
HUGE shouts-out to jOker (where you been?), SFK (how are the steelybabes?), Aja (workin' on NO), Mu, Schvinnggali (of the new TM), Midnite, JDubz (Tony Hawk III rules), Aus (bizarre anthrax case, this one), tooooooooones, the lovely Peg, cara mia (coming my way?), Mlle Ducky, Jim #, YGK, and the inimitable Hank & RScam.
Oh yes, and: St. Al, you the man.
Safe travels to all.
.
*clicking heals together three times*
"there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home"
Happy Thanksgiving All ! ! !
µ: I think I know what bar you are referring. Is it the Pastime Lounge?
Aja: Just because some of mainly lurk doesn't mean that we're not interested. It's just that we don't have worthwhile comments to add or aren't in the mood.
Ole: Have you read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon? In some ways, it's suggestive of GR.
I miss the spaces we had in the old GB where e-mail and addresses went but we could make some little comment, etc instead. It gave the posts a little extra flavor. Hope the dopey anons who were desperate for attention find another venue to spew but the wacky, creative graffiti from the old GB remain.
St. Al-I agree from your post on the old GB about being surprised at how much this place means to some of us. I never expected to develop the attachments and friendships I've made here when I made my first post (out of boredom at an old job!) but here I am making a point to stop in to wish everyone a great holiday before I go home! Thanks St Al, it's been a gas for the 2+ years I've been here. Could a GB 10 year reunion Danfest be somewhere down the line? ;o)
Aja
Hey all, just checking into the new hangout and seeing how it feels. Also getting a chuckle out of how many little seen regulars are weighing in and have been keeping up with the goings on in lurkdom....
My suggestion St. Al, is to make the poster names more prominent.
Have a great Thanksgiving all!
Aja
I doubt she remember anything at all from the 70ies. Sounds a little like my wife! Or is it miss Rev?
L
Don't you think it was wrong to interrupt my song...
Lars,
That reminds me - Steely Dan irony. On Andy's sounds as Walter is crooning Monkey, a female (insert your own slanderous epithet here) blurts out drunkly into the microphone "I lived in the Seventies! I don't remember this! Like it? What?"
Lars,
I know what you mean. The live renditions of Monkey in Your Soul from '00 and on previous tours of Sign in Stranger breathed a whole new life into the songs, especially as new arrangements revealed equations hidden from the ear before...
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
eLLe
Increase the Peace
Nice place Al.
Mu: the female treat of Dirty work makes wonder to what once was an un-interesting song. I had the same experience listening to the Berklee tribute - some of the females gave the songs a whole new meaning and touch. And that trombone-player. Very good.
Clas: can't hear a damn thing (similar to a voice)when the sax ends ... .
From the hip: Deacon blues???
New site, clean slate. Hopefully a clean slate for misunderstandings to be left at the old site as well.
St. Al, we appreciate your efforts.
Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.
Blaise!!!
This is a test of the emergency MacIntosh system:
Damn. Doesn't look like "cut and paste" or "drag and drop" works with the old GB banner on my system. Jacknifed again.
fatherwilliam: I do remember this swingin' bar underneath the split! I really thought I was getting somewhere one night with this really hot brunette I met there with some friends - serious chemistry. We even ended up in the same bed. But then I found out she was a Lobbyist AND Married (in no particular order of import) and I was King in a Catholic style. Bless me Father for I really meant to sin...that was in the mid-80s about the day I found out that the Steely Dan reunion rumor going around about that time had fizzled and the Dark Years of Dan continued...
Later, I met my better half and we escaped from the Bayou in '88 on our wedding day. Great reception with John Folse's group cookin' and Little Feat steamin' on tape...
Whenever we drive though as we did to Disney World, my daughter and I chant "bump bump bump..." down I-10 while I say a Rosary on the shocks and suspension...
Speaking of King in a Catholic Style...my Korean student calls China Crisis "computer music," which is actually a compliment. We've set up a darkroom (our own red light district) in the back of our lab to develop protein detection on film... and we used King as a metronome today to count exposure time under the dim red lamp to 12 before dropping the film in the developing solution.
Speaking of hot, Cynthia Calhoun sounded great on her rendition of Dirty Work from Andy's site!
call 911
after sitting crossed legged for the last 30 mins since my last post here
i just got up to go to the kitchen for a cigarette..
& my left leg gave way i stumbled & fell nearly through a glass door..
i've tristed my ankle it's now the size of a football..
Is this the first case of damage by GB
StAl you'll be hereing frommy lawyers tomorrow..
i'm of to find a bag of peas
db
St Al , Well done matey......
Duncan let me know when you are sneaking about down south??
TWM , Ready fir Saturday bigman.....
cyn , elle how are you ladies....
Missus going Garrity .....as the tinlid needs his bed , so need to go.
Hope all you sherman tanks have a great thanksgiving.....
Off to Plymouth today for work.....maybe I will catch a boat.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaano
Hi all
I just HAD to post here on this cool new GB. Everyone looks kinda different, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Peace
Al
Hope everyone found there way here ok
StAl i like the numbers thing great idea
db
Jaydubz:
I understand what you mean about baiting the anons but lets face it,
some of the anons were us. Therefore the anons are not going to leave
but will have to tone down thier posts quite a bit. That's all we
were asking for in the first place right? St. AL's ability to track
the email adress and URL of each post should put a stop to the over
the top anonymous posting no?
YGK:
You're right about wanting the ability to exclude all the sophomoric
posts like we can in the chatroom. I'd like to have that ability myself.
The only problem is, I would'nt be able to read any of my own stuff :)
Hello
It's been a while. How you doing Clas et al!
Nice new board St Al. Gonna try and come back more often!
Laters buddies
SFK
I'm with YGK ~ it seems like there are folks here "baiting" the anons already, which seems counterproductive to the entire conversion. NYBill: please don't do that, ok...we're trying to get these people to LEAVE, remember?
Hey St. Al,
Just checking in - new look, new book.
Is there any way we can self screen some of the useless posts here?
Kinda like a chat function?
I've been reading/scrolling through some rather sophomoric posts for weeks, and hoped I'd be able to jump through/ahead/beyond them.
Let me know,
tx,
ygk
Hi, Steely ones. Nice new dwelling here, St.Al, and I already changed URL's for this to come up as my "homepage" whenever I launch my browser.
Blaise, please e-me with your homepage. I wanna see...
You mean we can post pretty pictures here? I'll be in trouble. I L-U-V pictures.
L-U-V,
cara mia
Hi Y'all,
Well it's a brave new world out here today...
The first full day of the new (and improved) GB!
To all the anons from the previous GB, my heart
goes out to you...where will you go and what will
you do now? I hope we don't find you shuffling
the streets of Manhattan muttering "NYBill, where's
NYBill" and begging for loose change. Although I
understand squeegee men do quite well as you approach
the financial district.
One more question...How do you post a picture here like
Angel did a few posts back? I have a picture of
Big Blackie's momma that's burning a hole in my pocket.
P.S. will this message show up on the GB as I typed it
or will it be all over the place like the last one?
How do you get your post to show up neatly?
Seems like the software has it's own idea of where
a sentence should end.
NYBill
glad to see some things don't change lol
StAl do me a favour stick a 'o' in there for me before anyone else see's it
Cheers
db
Great loking site Pat
Still awaiting a message from you ..
db
Interesting new look Beemer. Good job sir.
Want to just quickly mention that I finally caught up with Dean Wurmer last Monday night....had an absolute ball. He shared some unique colour on the initial meeting on Blaise's pages...we continue the party tonight..
Everyone: Have a great Thanksgiving Holiday!!!!
Aus
I thought I had posted yesterday... but I don't see it.
Oh no, I'm getting censored already!
Looks good, Pat!
In case anyone cares, Oleander did indeed update her page on the 19th.
Riding the crest of a wave breaking just West of Hollywood....
My first venture into the new GB!
It looks good - I like the splitting of posts into multiple pages, much more user-friendly. Nice work Pat.
Clas, Stevee - things were getting a little hot the last few days, but I'm glad you guys are still talking.
I think the key here is to always be open to suggestions. I have pretty strong and firm views on what are the "right chords" to many SD songs, but I have had email and GB discussions with many people who had different views. Most of the time, I end up with the same view of what chords sound right, but there have been times when weak spots in some of my transcriptions have been brought to my attention, and I've updated a chord here and there based on other people's suggestions.
There's nothing wrong with having strong opinions, as long as you are prepared to listen to and try out other people's ideas as well. If you come back with the same opinion you started with, that's fine!
It looks like you're both sticking to your guns on this one, which is fine after all. Agreeing to disagree is better than fighting it out.
I havn't had a chance to listen to the particualr chord in question yet, and feel it might be best to just let this one go anyway ...!
On a really tedious and pedantic note, if the crux of the biscuit hangs on the use of a 5th versus a flat 5th in the Ebm7 chord (which is the main point of dispute I think), then strictly speaking we are talking about Bb versus Bbb, not A.
(I did say it was a pedantic point!)
Howard
Since I am still working on my "cool things" page, I bring this subject back to the yellow. Clas mentioned that he thought he heard something at the end of West of Hollywood, just as the sax solo is finished. I had a listen yesterday and there is definitely something there. Mu or anyone else, try it and see what you think.
Take 2 (against nature, that is)
IMG src="http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/2vn.jpg"
Really out of here. Good Holiday.
St Al,your last post in the old G.B. was admirable. The bile & hatred increasingly spouted by the ever increasing anonoboys was really getting on my tits...good to read something intelligent..site looks good
snow.
SteeveDan - you are a touchy son of a devil.
StAAAAAAAL - SteeveDan is dumb!
And why the hell can't I get to my homepage when I am clicking on my URL when I come back?
C
This is only a test.
ODP update!
Hi there Stevie!
After I posted here, I noticed Blaise came in. Hi Blaise, it's nice to see you. I hope all is well. Happy Turkey Day.
Steveedan
St. Al - I hope that things go well for you here in your new domain. I look forward to learning how the new enhancements work. It was nice to see Miz Ducky come in and lend her support.
Clas - it is clear to me that you just want to stick to your beliefs regardless of what I or anyone else says to you. That's OK by me. I have no need to convince you of chords or anything else for that matter. I don't feel at a loss, since I have shown my charts to a few professional music copyists who are big Steely Dan fans and they have told me that my charts are very accurate. I don't think being called dumb by you was called for. I tried your chords. The ones that I told you were a little off are still a little off. I gave them a chance. I didn't call you dumb. I thought that our discussion of this would be a free flowing exchange of ideas and opinions, not a battle of stubborness. As a result, I think that it would be less than productive and not at all entertaining to continue any discussions of chords or chord progressions with you. It just seems like a no-win situation.
I am not trying to tell you what to do Clas, but I may not respond to the chord questions that you have. Maybe Howard would be a better source for you since it appears that you respect his opinions to a certain degree.
To all my friends here - I look forward seeing your posts and also chatting with you. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Steveedan
StAL, looks like you dropped this off the van, man. Can I keep it?
HTML allowed... I can certainly live with that.
Cool digs. Kudos.
There's a 10/110 Interchange in Downtown Los Angeles. However, when I was growing up the "110" was called the California 11 (the Pasadena Fwy north of Downtown, the Harbor Fwy south). Sometime in the 1980s they changed it to the Interstate 110. I'll bet that the 110 in the other "LA" was changed to a different number around the same time. W1P
To quote a pal...
Is it safe in here?
StAl - wow, have you been up all nite moving? Great!
Schwinn -hi!
JW MALIBOOOOO - where the hell are you? Surfing? While I am stumbling around in this cold... darkness? All I wanted to say is: SteeveDan is dumb. He won't listen to me.
Jim# - hi to you too.
SteeveDan - okay brother. But don't stretch it, it's your loss. here's a query.
What Steely Dan refrain belongs to these first chords?(no cheating):
Gm7 / C7 Fmaj / Bbmaj7 A / G A / Bm A/B /
Audi,
C
st. al, you better start payin' the rent, man. these evictions are not cool for our credix rating. the thing i'll really miss is the opportunity to do funky lil' headlines beneath the handle like tonite's was gonna be...
name: steviedan (has)
e-mail: a well respected member
it's just not the same. only other concern: are we gonna maintain a link to the archives or just throw dirt on that sucker ? if so, i want a bound unabridged version for the library before the funeral...
if i had only known that i garnered respect from the anon-community, then i would have run for high office sooner. tough crowd there.
hey ducky & big fan.
now i proudly bring you one of the first sd news items on the new yellow pages:
steely dan wins downbeat READERS poll in the "beyond group" and "beyond album" categories !
in the group division it was sd 149, sting 128, kronos quartet 94, etc.
in the album division 2vn 143, flecktones "out of bounds" 88, remember shakti's "saturday night in bombay" 50
there are many other exciting results in the poll and you folks must know how i feel about this rag. these people take no shit from george carlin.
duncan, just where does that leave vinnie ? i've heard abe junior and trust me, he's no vinnie ! yo vinnie !
and just when you think there is no method in my posts, i tie back in that leftover joninfo i referred to right before sleep came to free me. VINNIE plays on that joni album i was spinning coincidentally last night: "dog eat dog". 80's production is all over this specimen (from '85). AGAIN, here's michael mcd just shining on the first track (a sd/toto/joni vortex, NOT too shabby, stevie), lukather in tow(tow), james TAYLOR & don henley, wayne shorter using some of the exact same figures he used on henley/hornsby's "end of the innocence" solo...
thomas dolby co-producing and keys !?!?...
...the fabulous michael landau on guitars, joni tells then husband larry klein "just play like jaco, larry" and he tries... not her best effort for sure, but an interesting alchemy with some real bright spots...
Just trying this out.
Great, and now we can use HTML again, without bringing down the whole guestbook like in the old days, but I don't remember any HTML anymore (not that I understood what I was doing back then).
Well, well, well....New digs are amongst us! Methinks St. Al dug through the Android Warehouse and found a battlebot!
Y'all have a happy Thanksgiving and remember to give thanks or don't expect any.
Peace & Pumpkin Pi,
SEMB
µ:
Up until age 10, my home was just below the 10/110 split. I escaped from Baton Rouge in '86 and my home is now about 3 miles south of the site of another Friday the 23rd game - Nebraska vs. CU. In the mid 60s, I also lived in Lincoln, Nebraska but my draft board saved me. Yes, Nam is better than Lincoln - probably Kabul is better than Lincoln for that matter.
I remember being asked three questions but the only question that I remember is the one about the difference between a blue-eyed Aggie and a brown-eyed Aggie. I suppose my qualities as a straight man were good as the interview happened after the '63 Cotton Bowl when #3 LSU stomped #1 Texas, never allowing Texas to get inside the LSU 30 for the entire game.
tones: What make of Mac do you use?
father william: Indeed, those Aggies entitle UT as "tu" for "teasipper university." Aggie jokes are often generic, but there are some whoppers. Here's a lame one, but does involve hello Baton Rouge:
The Aggie football team took the bus to the LSU game. As they drove on I-10 over the Mississippi River bridge into the capital city of Baton Rouge, they saw a sign just past the I-110 split that said "LSU left." So the bus turned around and went back home.
Looks like a long midday Friday against Benson, Simms and co...
Love Walter's intro on the San Diego "sounds" as he introduces himself as Sonny Boy Williamson...
thinking about the visual field...
Wow, new digs. Pretty cool.
St. Al: Guess what, it finally works and was worth the wait! Thanks again for everything. But the address on the shirt is wrong now! Ack!
Out of here tomorrow for 4 days. See you all on the other side. Safe Holiday.
Well, let's see if I can put up a picture, while it is still activated.
Received copy of this memo I'm passing on
From: Bin Laden, Osama
Sent: Monday, October 22 , 2001 11:14 AM
To: Cavemates
Subject: Cave Memo
Hi guys. We've all been putting in long hours, but
we've really come
together as a group and I love that. Big thanks to
Omar for putting up
the
poster that says "There is no I in team" as well as
the one that says
"Hang
In There, Baby." That cat is hilarious. However, while
we are fighting
a
jihad, we can't forget to take care of the cave. And
frankly I have a
few
concerns.
First of all, while it's good to be concerned about
cruise missiles, we
should be even more concerned about the scorpions in
our cave. Hey, you
don't want to be stung and neither do I, so we need to
sweep the cave
daily.
I've posted a sign up sheet near the main cave
opening.
Second, it's not often I make a video address but when
I do, I'm trying
to
scare the most powerful country on earth, okay? That
means that while
we're
taping, please do not ride your razor scooter in the
background. Just
while
we're taping. Thanks.
Third point, and this is a touchy one. As you know, by
edict, we're not
supposed to shave our beards. But I need everyone to
just think
hygiene,
especially after mealtime. We're all in this together.
Fourth: food. I bought a box of Cheez-Its recently,
clearly wrote
"Osama" on
the front, and put it on the top shelf. Today, my
Cheez-Its were gone.
Consideration. That's all I'm saying.
Finally, we've heard that there may be American
soldiers in disguise
trying
to infiltrate our ranks. I want to set up patrols to
look for them.
First
patrol will be Omar, Muhammed, Abdul, Achmed, and
Mike.
Love you lots,
Osama
Hey wait a minute...I feel like I was winning that anon fight back there..
LOL! Well, this is different and yet very cool. I like it.
ST.Al : How should that "nospam" statement be entered in the email slot?
Should it be the email adress and then the "nospam" statement?
Hello from Los Angeles.
do not trade insults with the anons
Dragon - thanks.
Hey, nice place St. Al! Great view! Are you going to have a site warming party?
Cyn -- Glad to hear that your vacation was mostly wonderful.
As for George Carlin being a hasbeen, not so. And I don't think he was putting down DanFans, just some who listen to the Dan. Besides it's publicity for SD and I think Carlin is a fan of the Dan.
What's with the eLLe bashing? Aside from the Carlin remark, since her return I haven't seen any reason to dis her, so BACK OFF!
tonez -- Happy belated anniversary!
Dragon
Cool...images and perhaps links?
Hey now! Well, it's official. Still some things that need to be modified, but this guestbook is now open for business!
A couple of things. One, look for an updated FAQ answering the most obvious questions you may have. Should be ready tomorrow.
One thing to keep in mind. If you include your e-mail address with your post, consider placing something like NOSPAM somewhere in the address. This will prevent the use of automated harvest robots from scooping your e-mail address off the page and adding it to spam mailings. Most people know to remove this when attempting to send e-mail, but it usually foils the bots. I use NOBOTS because I'm sure some of these harvest bots have figured out a way to remove NOSPAM from an e-mail address... More to come.
HEY CLAS! Looks like the Internet done up and moved while you were asleep.
StAl
hey, chat anyone?
Hey St AL, Looks good to me. And If you like it ...then I like it.
What is this?
Is this new for today or what? Where am I suppose to post, at the old place?
C
Hiya, Pat! See, I haven't totally vanished off the face of the earth--at least not yet. This new GB format looks pretty fab. And it seems to be working okay through the Evil Empire's firewall software. Cheers!
/the Mam'zelle
flapping through once again
ICQ is a instant messaging program. This script has ICQ icons available which a user can post with their message to signify whether they are online or not. I've removed the ICQ portion from the main posting page but it still shows on the preview page. I plan on removing it soon.
Private messages have been disabled on the main posting screen as well. Private messages are only viewable by the administrator of the GB (i.e. me). It's easier and less confusing to e-mail me directly. I plan on removing this from the preview page also.
LP: No. If I understand you correctly, the "scroll down to post" is available on all screens. This script does not (as of yet) differentiate by date, only by the amount of posts. I can set the amount of post displayed on each page to whatever we want. I will attempt to guestimate the average posts in a day and set it for that. To see additional posts, you need to use the navigation links at the top of the guestbook, or, at the top of the posting field to see everything that's occurred.
I am concerned about allowing images. This is one of the other reasons why I disabled HTML on the old guestbook. However, since it take all of about 5 seconds to delete a post I figure we'll see how it goes.
Duncan: This is your brain on drugs.
µ:
Long ago, I had a successful interview at a company in Richardson wherein the interview questions consisted of Aggie jokes. Do Aggies still refer to University of Texas graduates as tea sippers?
fw, graduate of LSU
This does look kinda strange, but cool at the same time. Sorta defines Dan fans, huh? ;-)
looks kinda weird
Images!!! Nice.
Does it allow images?
Dan topic: How about it for Andy's new Sounds? Monkey in Your Soul, Boston Rag and Dirty Work especially sound great. Walter and Jon Herrington just tear it up with their solos on Rag. I never continue to be amazed at how they constantly get something new out of these songs with each tour.
Walter seems to sing better live than in studio, doncha think?. It sounds as if he's more in sync with that interaction one can only get live. It was a super new arrangment on Monkey in '00.
Nice upgrade, St. Al... now all you seem to need is a new header graphic...
So far so good...I like it, StAl.
Le Bar Bat, inserting a link, because it can be done...
OK, St Al. I'm pushing the envelope with a double post. Guess the poster can't erase? (don't have a password), but you can.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
This is a test of the unOfficial 500 mHz iMac Macintosh DanFan System. POST MESSAGE link inoperable. I'm Down at the Bottom. Let's hear it for a Next One in 2002???
Duh...What's ICQ?
LUV the preview
Can I fix a typo from here
This is a test of the unOfficial 500 mHz iMac Macintosh DanFan System. POST MESSAGE link inpoerable. I'm Down at the Bottom. Let's hear it for a Next One in 2002???
Duh...What's ICQ?
LUV the preview
hey, not bad st al - i like it - thanks for keeping up with this stuff
i like that you can read what is posted before you while typing, but will that scroll down to post take you to the very end or the end of that day, etc - you know what i mean? i'm not articulating it well i know...
happy monday
and what's a private message mean?
Ok gang, this is the new GB script I'm seriously considering using. Let me know what you think. SOme differences between this book and the old one...
So lets hear it.
Posting to this guestbook has now been disabled. The new Guestbook URL is:http://www.banyantrees.net/cgi-bin/guestbook.cgi
A redirector will be placed here very soon.
Wrong Rev. All Simpleton.Anonymity also allows heroes to act like saviors, since id's won't let them.
All identity does is allow cowards to act normal.
I don't think that any of you have a creative bone in your body.Chat anyone?
that's ok - this place has gone to shit anyway.
This how it ended, the final chapter of the original gb saga:
The inane adventures of NYBore and Steveedouche in Dandom - The Anon Menace.
St. Al- BLOW ME!
QED
I see everyone is getting along as usual...Just to let everyone know I'll be moving the guestbook over to the new site sometime in the next day or so. There will be a period of time this guestbook will be inaccessible before I place a redirector page in it's place. I'm not exactly sure when it will happen so please be patient.
Now, as you can plainly see, the negative vibe this place has developed over the past 6 1/2 years has become a real drag. When I started this site all those years ago I never expected it would become a place that meant so much to so many people. In the beginning the negativity was minimal and over time it's become almost unbearable. For many it simply HAS become unbearable. Either way, most of you know my position on editing out passages that have only the intent to enrage has been hands-off. I've always believed that I don't want the responsibility for deciding what's right and what's wrong, besides, who am I to judge?
Well, this is going to change. I'm damn sick and tired of assholes who have nothing better to do than spread hate and anger amongst the members of this forum. We're ALL guilty of this to one extent or another, however, passages like that bullshit woman-hating post entitled "Love is a fist" will simply go away. I'm fucking sick of it. I can take a Zen-like approach for only so long before it even starts to get me down. It's a waste of bandwidth and serves no purpose. The funny thing is whoever posted it RIPPED it off from another site. Probably because this person doesn't have the mental capacity to conceive and write such a thing (as fucked up as it is).
The reason I'm changing my position has to do with two key factors. One, because I can. Two, because it's very, very easy with the new guestbook script. Editing a passage is a simple as a couple of mouse clicks and a password. Banning IP addresses is just as easy.
This phenomenon of anonymity on the Internet and the negativity that follows is not unique to this guestbook. With that said I fully realize it will never go away, nor do I intend to try to stop it. The people who bash Clas/Bill/Steeve will probably continue to do so and I probably wont do much to stop it. The thing I want everyone to be aware of is if things do get out of hand, expect mine to drop on your asses. It's time to grow up people. Be an adult. Act like an adult. Quit hiding and be responsible.
Here is the rule of thumb I'll use when deciding on whether to delete a post or not. Let's use the Love is a Fist post as an example... One, did the writer take credit for it? In other words, did this person post anonymously, or did they leave an e-mail address? If they posted anonymously, it gets shitcanned. If they are brave enough to post such a piece, and take credit for it for the rest of the forum to see, it stays. Frankly I still see very few instances where I'll actually delete a post. Again, it's completely against my nature and beliefs, however, one can only turn the cheek for so long...
Someone once suggested anonymity was a healthy thing. It allowed a free-flow of thoughts and opinions without the constraints of personal relationships. I say bullshit. All anonymity does is allow cowards to act like assholes.
Dandy Don, you're right. The fork has been inserted...
?
eccepepe?
No, Bill - that was Clas with a wig on, and watch it - he's got anal AIDS.
Big Blackie that smell was your momma...i've just gotta stop
sleepin' with that woman.But damn she's insatiable!
Thank God! The stench of NYBill was overwhelming!
This sucks but I cut out for now...and I was having so much fun.
Anyway, i'll be back after 9:30 for round 2 with you brainless
anon twerps. Have fun, and if you cant have fun, then what the
hell at least i'm having fun...lmao!Lucifer
See now isn't this a lot more fun than the ususal Midnite Cruiser, angel, lp, Cyn, eLLe, Mu, oleander, StAl et al plastic trashtalk... its a lot more fun to hear people pat themselves on the back than have someone else do it.
But this one goes to 11.
Don Knotts playing a 42 year old bedwetter? nah. maybe Peewee Herman.Hey Billy Bologna!
Hey guys! I rock! And did i mention that I am also quite great!You anonny pods are replacing all the regular posters! Crazy old annony mooses need to be hosed down with delousing solution! God, as well as being clever I am also very humorous!
Tonight I have a gig downtown in a posh subway station! Gonna set up my "KEYS" right by the stairwell and just rock my ass off! Come by and check out my set for a mere 5 bucks! What a bargain that is and I will even serve biscuits and Snapple for the first 10 musically inclined patrons!
Don't forget:
On the rock-a-tude scale I am a 10!SquirtyDan
Hey Big Blackie man, how the hell did you make it out of that
jacuzzi? That jacuzzi was loaded with caustic chemicals and
shit. You must look like a fk'n chocolate ice cream sunday
right about now...
"Who the fuck are you, you fucking asshole. Fuck off, stop reading my posts if you don't like them and please come to Los Angeles to visit me so that I CAN KILL YOU !!!"I smell a movie here...want to option your story?
"Attack of the Killer Insurance Salesman!!" with Don Knotts in the lead as SkeeveyDork!
That one didn't even deserve a cheesy rimshot...The limericks, on the other hand, were hilarious!
It is reported that Osama Bin-anon has been gravely injured
while pacing the floors of his underground bunker. He has
apparently slipped on a bin-ana peel cause him to stike his
head upon an open case Rhiengold beer. The injury has left
him mentally disfunctional. Reports are that he has been
reduced to shuffling the floors of his cave and scribbling
indecipherable poems upon the walls...more to come....
There once was a poster named Billy
whose posts were inordinately silly
his simpleton stare
and gross sticky hair
were due to his stroking his willyBilly's buddy was Steevee
another example of Skeevy
while stroking his pride
his eyes open wide
said, "Bill is that you there beneath me?"
rimshot...
In a enormous turn of events, Bill and Steve of the St.Alphonso
Guestbook, have taken control of the GB from the radical
terrorist group, AL-Anon. It is reported that the leader of
the AL-Anon group, Osama Bin-Anon, is hiding beneath a
mountain somewhere in the seedier section of NYC..
Reports from the field are that the 2nd in command to
Osama bin-anon, a person by the name of "Big Blackie" has
been killed while bathing in a jacuzzi...more to follow...NYBill Koppel
Why is it that Bill's and Steeeeeve's posts are always littered with spelling errors? Could it be...because they're idiots? Nahhhh....that's "rediculous!!!"
Self-centered asswipes from coast-to-coast...coming soon to a shitty radio talk-show station near you!!!!!!
No need to call in a cleaner Steve, those chemicals were
specifically chosen for thier efficacy in disolving anons.
I really like the idea of splitting my posts in order to
adress/command the scumbaganons while at the same time leaving
plenty of free space to converse with the REAL Dan Fans.
Because as you know, anons are'nt worth replying to with an
entire post. They deserve a footnote in a post perhaps.Bill
I'll take the a's and give two rubouts, um, I mean, takedowns... no, no, I mean dressdowns -- oops, of course I mean TOUCHdowns.
Hey Steeveeeeeeee: Were you this much of an asshole when you were still smoking weed? If not, I can get you really good indica bud - it would be worth giving you a bag just to shut your sorry ass up!
I dare anyone to come to chat right now.
I got $10 on the anons.
Hey Bill --Did you hear that? I distinctly heard some cat howls, and some anony-squealing, and hey, look at the hot tub!!
There's scum floating on the top!
I think this idea of yours is catching on !!!
Of course, if there are any anonies left over, we could always call in a "cleaner". His chemicals are kitchen clean.
Just a few twitches, and it's all over anonybaby blue.
Steve e
"We are definitely fucking with you."As in "We are not amused."
or
"We are family."
or
"Anony-idiots are we"He he he ...
Where's AAA when ya need them?
Stink ball's in your court Ernie.
Steeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvveeeeeeeeeeee Damn
Gaslighting Stevee!a luscious invention for me
watch 'im on tv
Did someone mention multiple a's?
How can you say you aren't what you are - you beast!
You Beast !
You beast, you beast, you beast.
Consider thee phocqued with Squire.
Sir Stevee of Dan
"and regarding dander being up, the only reason you know what dander is - is because that is what is flying off of your poor cat".
Wrong - oh simple minded one.We're not into bestiality, but we're definitly fucking with you!
There is gas in you pal. Your handle sounds like it's time to light a match.Here's a challenge for ya Einstink, say one Steely Dan-relevant thing. Go ahead knock my socks off twinkle toes !!
Steveedan
This guy Steveedan is just way, way, way too cool with the insults, eh?
I don't know if I can handle it.
Fart jokes from a 42 year old California man.
Just too much. Tooo much.
And making new words like anonyfucks and shits. Wow.
Impressive. Hmph!
Waiting for AAA. This guy is brilliante!Is there gas in your car?
Dear Nice people,Please disregard the ranting below...thank you...
Yo Scumbag Anons or Scumbaganons or whatever!,This is Lucifer (You know, God?)... Are you in that Jacuzzi yet?
Well what the hell are you waiting for? Can't find the 10
gallons of cat piss required for the recipe? Well start
wringing out some cats and lets go! I want you guys aborted
by the time Jeff Baxter stops talking on CNN, got it?Your Pal,
Lucifer
http://www.sltrib.com/11182001/arts/149671.htm
"who's playing recalls the precise, effortless style of Denny Dias (Steely Dan)," Having seen him up close and personal I would say that is an accurate description of Denny's playing.Double Helix - coincidence or not you decide "in the sky tonight" Still one of the most beautiful modern day songs ever written.
Did see about 1000 shooting stars in the sky the other night.
Since my car battery is dead (isn't this boring anonyfucks ...) and I have to wait for the AAA road service to get here, so that I can go and buy a new one, why don't some of you come banter with me in real time in chat. I will open a window for you, so that when you come in, I can slam it down on your sorry ass.Duncan - if that was you, a while ago, I reported on a gig played by The Steely Damned of San Diego, when one of the guitar players in my band, The Steely Fan Band, was at the show at the Del Mar Racetrack, and he was playing me the concert over his cell phone. I was giving my son a bath at the same time and one of the cool and clever (yeah right) anonyfuckwads actually thought that it would be funny to accuse me of child molestation.
That is so funny. Sort of like a fart at an important dinner party. Who was it who posted that the anonyshits were like a fart? That was a good one, but from my view, it wasn't strong enough.
Oh, and regarding dander being up, the only reason you know what dander is - is because that is what is flying off of your poor cat when you are buggering it you phoof.
Love ya ? --- Nah.
Steveedan (Where's the goddamn towtruck?)
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter is one of four panelists on CNN right now! It's a live show, lasting from 3pm til 4pm EST I think. Don't know if it'll air again today or not.
we're just here to see if we can piss you off!We can!
Did Stephanie just say "you son of a bitch"??
Steveedan-laden
the mother of all keyboard players
lol
I've never addressed your sorry ass before.So like the words which are so true,
you simply don't have a clue.
The sum of NYBill and SteveeDan, while not being Lucifer, is definitely Hell!So now we have doubly moronic posts from Bill, and Stevee has his dander up, and threatens bodily harm - like he knows who he's talkin to! Maybe we should 'scope out' one of his gigs for fun.
It's amazing to see these newbies give lectures. And he has the gall to 'condemn our families'! Definitely has an inflated self importance/power issue.
Like goading a baby - ha!
Did Deacon just say he "pissed it away"??
here here!!
Nice one mate...
p.s how long did it take you to type that lot & was it worth it
p.p.s.
It's me who talks about bathing babies
''opening a can 2 u ''
here here!!
Nice one mate...
p.s how long did it take you to type that lot & was it worth it
p.p.s.
It's me who tals about bathing babies
''opening a can 2 u ''
Sorry Truth. I now seem to remember that you were an idiot. Actually, I felt a bit incredulous that you would say anything nice to me (or to anyone else for that matter). Because, after all, I remember not liking you before. And I don't like you now.But I do like the fact that you and the other fucking idiots who think they are so cool, and clever think that I am a waste of time. Can you just imagine what so many people think about you jerks. Keep hiding behind your Anonybabiness. Then you can tell yourselves that you never have to grow up or take responsibility for your childish bantering, or was the word fodder.
I find it amusing that some of you find me arrogant, bi-polar (and at the same time have the pompousness to offer me medical advice), don't like it when I promote my Steely Dan tribute bands, and the other SD trib bands that I am not involved with, or anything else that you choose to attack me for.
It is so relevant to this guest book what you have to say, isn't it? Thank God you jerks have a place where YOU can feel important and actually reside in the misdirected psychotic belief that anything you have to say is of any value whatsoever. Oh, and on the subject of bathing children, PLEASE DO NOT PROCREATE !!! However many there are of you already is 10 times to many !!!
And there is something else, that none of you shits can deal with. And that is that everybody who cares to take the time to post here (including you fucking idiots) has just as much right to talk about Steely Dan, or attack people who write something that you don't like or agree with.
So I would like to go on record right here and right now and say that I disagree with everything any of you anonymous immature jerk-offs have to say about anything. And as a result of it, I condemn you and your families, and anybody who has ever chosen to spend any time with you.
Are you starting to get the idea that I don't respect any of you? Do you get the fact that I don't care what you say about me. Do you get the idea that fucking with me is a mistake and the only reason that you do it in the first place is because you think that I can't find out who and where you jerks are.
Well...you might be in for a surprise ... go ahead, keep it up fuckheads.
Steveefuckingdan
Everybody's a comedian! rimshot
I've decided that not everyone here is a scumbag. Only about
51 percent of you are scumbags. The others are actually pretty
good people... Therefore, I have decided to split my posts into
two separate parts. One part for the scumbags and one part for
the nice people. I guess I'll start with the scumbags first...Dear Scumbags,
It is I, Lucifer! I have come to ruin your online experience.
You conjured me up by constantly chanting the incantations of
negativity and by calling me dumb. I will therefore do
everything in my power to cause you to abort yourselves.
I will not stop until you lie prostrate before me and call me
"Master". I am including the following recipe, follow the
instuctions to the letter...1) Fire up one extra-large whirlpool Jacuzzi.
2) Add one 50 gallon drum of DRAINO.
3) Add one 25 gallon container of Premium Gasoline.
4) Add two 5 gallon containers of cat piss.
5) Two sprigs of Hemlock.
6) Mix and heat to a rolling boil.
7) Hold your breath and jump in!Sincerely,
Lucifer/NYBill/God of the underworld____________________________________________________
Dear Nice People,
Well, Mr.Bill went to see Bob Dylan last night at Madison
Square Garden in NYC. It was great! We had excellent seats
and Bob was unbelievable. He wore a sort of pink outfit with
white spatz (which i though was kind of funny but i didnt
tell Bob that...) Anyway, he did many of his traditional songs
but added so many twists to them that you really did'nt know
what song you were hearing until a few bars in, i really dug
that. He did a few songs from the new CD "Love and Theft" too..
just excellent! He and the band came back out for three encores!
Madison Square Garden was absolutely packed and the sound system
was truly awesome. Before you ask...YES! I understood almost
all of what he was singing LOL! Actually, his voice was pretty
powerful. I was quite suprised. Anyway, the show was great and
I even got a contact high from all the pot that was smoked
during the song "Everbody must get stoned" so I guess it was
worth the trip. I was a little disappointed though that Bob
did'nt offer us a ride home in the limo after the show.
Nevertheless it was a good time.Take Care,
Bill
Bwahahaha!!!!!!
Steveedan: sorry - the compliment wasn't about you - it was the East Coast (and Original) StevieDan.The arrogance is astounding - even for a guy from LA.
SteeveDork: You need to have your shrink start you on another med - the one you're one doesn't seem to be working any more...being bi-polar must be a bitch, huh?
anthrax found in the offices of Senators Kenedy and Dodd.
"""Steevedan is probably a great keyboard player and probably has a great ear, but he is a pompous ass who promotes his cover-band of the week every five minutes, types long-winded posts about his boring personal affairs (do you really care if you're finished bathing your baby???), acts as though he's the only one on the planet capable of correctly transcribing Steely Dan music, tries to be funny but invariably ends up with egg on his face, acts as though he's a "senior member" when the fact remains that he's only been around since March or so, and his scolding of the "anonybabies" is just plain goofy!Finally, he's got a big mouth and personally betrayed my confidence. Sorry, but he brings little or nothing to the table."""
Who the fuck are you, you fucking asshole. Fuck off, stop reading my posts if you don't like them and please come to Los Angeles to visit me so that I CAN KILL YOU !!!
YOU FUCKING ANONYMOUS ASSHOLE. FUCK YOU. YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL STEELY DAN, DECENCY, OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAS ANY VALUE WHATSOEVER.
Oh, did I say that out loud? I meant ... FUCK YOU.
Love -
Steveedan
If you look up "pretentious" in the dictionary, there's a photo of SteeveDork next to it.
Sorry. "It's so hard to help you" is the correct lyric line from Monkey In Your Soul.
"The way you keep challenging me is sort of like the apprentice is second guessing the master."...probably the singlemost lame thing I've EVER seen posted on the GB.
Clas - You are a very entertaining read, even when you are challenging. I will not bend on this. I know I am right, there is no "A" in that Eb chord. Even if you play it on the Kazoo. The fact that you feel that you must be right and pull the "age" card, must mean that you are almost Social Security age since I am 42, and have been a piano player of great reputation since I was 11, but let the anonybabies play around with that one.As you know, since you attract so much of their crap, it is way past their bed time, and the dungeon is waiting for them.
Also, the fact that you assume that I didn't consult my piano before I voiced the chords I posted here is utterly rediculous. I do not need to go back and try your incorrect voicing a third time. You see, I do try other people's ideas out, but when I am sure that those ideas are wrong, I don't waste any more time on it.
To quote Monkey In Your Soul ... "you make it hard to help you."
Clas - take a deep breath. See the beauty in the world. Then drop this Ebm chord with the A note in it thing. I do not wish to argue about this chord any more. Thanks.
Thank you "The Truth". That was very kind of you.
Time for me to return to the mundane chores of my day. A new car battery, and a new Palm Pilot to play with, and tonight, a get-together with some very talented musicians.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Be well.
Steveedan (The one from the West coast.)
Steviedan is a well-respected member of the community who brings something to the table.Steevedan is probably a great keyboard player and probably has a great ear, but he is a pompous ass who promotes his cover-band of the week every five minutes, types long-winded posts about his boring personal affairs (do you really care if you're finished bathing your baby???), acts as though he's the only one on the planet capable of correctly transcribing Steely Dan music, tries to be funny but invariably ends up with egg on his face, acts as though he's a "senior member" when the fact remains that he's only been around since March or so, and his scolding of the "anonybabies" is just plain goofy! Finally, he's got a big mouth and personally betrayed my confidence. Sorry, but he brings little or nothing to the table.
I am afraid you are unaware of StevEEdan - the evil and heinous twin of the rather awesome StevIEdan. Nobody in their right mind would diss the music master, but you just gotta hate this other one. Check the archives for fodder.
methinks I may be confused about which Steveeedan you are referring.I merely make mention of the musicologist/musician and fine individual from the middle eastern seaboard.
What atrocities do you know of your Steveeedan?
I'll give you the benefit of 2/3's ignorance regarding bill and clas
Yeah, you got me pegged - stewing in my own ignorance. HA!Coming from someone who condones SteveeeeDan's behavior, that means a lot.
Lucifer?! You give dumBill waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit.
Clas is lesser - a lesser form of life.
Yank on somebody else's pud cause I'm not buying it.
Steveeeeeeee and NYBill = Lucifer. Clas is a lesser minion.
The 'dorks' - if we are defining them - on this board are simply Clas & NYBill, although I haven't seen the word used in quite some time - 25 years!Steveedan is a standard of civility, well educated musician who simply has great taste.
To slander otherwise shows your ignorance - and newness to the GB.
Be free!
-the Truth
Are you just now coming to that realization?
Steevedan is henceforth to be known as SteeveDork.
stiff competition around here...
Yes, that infamous swede is indeed a leader:
-in GB insults
-death threats
-animal genetalia stories
-self promotion
-lies
-mis use of the english language
-sacharrine enriched muzak on compilations
-drivel (although NYBill is starting to catch up)
Steevee dan - What large reputation is that? As a dufus, you're right. Clas is far behind in that department.
Sting's drummerAbe Laboriel Jr
db
I wrote: “(as you see, I gave up Bm7/E, that's wrong)”I don't mean it's WRONG giving up Bm7/E, what I mean is, the chord is not right, so I gave up that one, that's wrong, but A/B or Asus4/B is right, and it's nothing wrong with that.
But if you wanna stretch it, I can compromize on the Asus4/B, I could settle for a simple A/B, but I will never give up Ebm7-5, that's right.
C
and the voicing is:left hand/right hand
Eb / A C# F# A
D / A C# E F#
B / A D E A (as you see, I gave up Bm7/E, that's wrong)
C (major)
asd - it's just me. And thank you.SteveeDan - first of all, I KNOW what an Ebm7 is, I can play it on guitar, harmonica and piano, no problem. And in any voicing, no problem. You are missing the point, the question is, I'll make it simple for you, forget about F#m/Eb, read this:
Is it a Ebm7 or a Ebm7-5 ?
Go home, play and listen. Maybe you are right, maybe you're not, the fact that you have played Black Friday three years doesn't mean you're playing it right, right?
And while you still was crouching along the daycare center I played a lot of nowhere gigs. But that really doesn't matter.
So, go home, give it a try, and come back to me.
C
St Al, please do me a solid and not point out who is posting here DIRECTLY after this posting, it hurt the last two times.....STE: "The way you keep challenging me is sort of like the apprentice is second guessing the master."
Quit it. It is a rock and roll band you're talking about. Clas' stuff is the best work I've heard coming off the GB, excluding my own stuff, so settle down.....
Whoa.
Hi Dr. µ - I do not have access to the “Just The Two Of Us” song, so I can’t tell you whether it is higher or lower. It would be an easy task to figure it out if I did have a copy of it. Is it imperative that you get an answer to this?Also, I hastily posted incorrectly that the “Flame is the game” lyric line is from Janie Runaway. It is actually from Gaslighting Abbie. My mistake.
Clas – I hate to pull rank here, but even your wife told you I was right. I spend a significant part of every day going over and over various Steely Dan songs for my bands, and also for my own enjoyment. The way you keep challenging me is sort of like the apprentice is second guessing the master. I have some sage advice for you my Nordic comrade – learn it, accept it, and unless someone with a larger reputation around these parts (like the illustrious Howard Wright) corrects me, then, I am giving you the stuff you need to know to play this music more accurately. …
A song like Black Friday is simple compared to something like West Of Hollywood. There isn’t a lot of room for error here. Enjoy the new arrangement.
Clas, I see that you are still “stuck” on this F#m/Eb thingy. I am going to write this down for you, and you are going to print it out, and MASTER IT. Play it for your wife. (We can always put her up here at our home if this causes too much consternation for you …)
Starting from the Ebm7 chord and the two chords that follow it, here are the voicings. I will write them down from lowest (bass) note to highest note. The notes before the “/” are in the left hand, the ones after the “/” are in the right hand. OK. Here goes …
Eb / Bb-Db-Eb-Gb … D / A-C#-E-F# … B / A-C#-E-F# … then the riff for “Don’t let it fall on me” …
To me, one of the amazing features of the music of Steely Dan is their incredibly tight voice leading. Notice (taking the enharmonic notation into account here) how close all three chords are harmonically:
In the Ebm chord, the Bb moves down a half step to the A for the following chord. The Db = C#, the Eb moves up a half step to the E natural, and the Gb = F#.
The last two chords have the same notes in the right hand. This is tight voice-leading. This is as hip as it gets.
LEARN IT, DON’T QUESTION IT, ENJOY IT, CLAS DISMISSED !!!
(HA HA !!!)
Professor Steveedan
There's something wrong with my computer:F#m/Eb
C (no, not the chord god dammit)
Should be ”F#m7/Eb”.C
... or so buzzes the sticker pasted to the new prince. i'm basically distrustful of self-proclaimed "controversy", but am not scared off by dogma if the music is pocket and the pockets are usually pretty tight on those little bitty britches...oKAY, nobody's weighed in on the new carlton disc. anyone brave enough after noting the presence of shai or reading the song titles ? i'm sure larry's on there and everything, but...
you first.
clas, the cell phone phenom ? keep them away from digital electronics. if we set one on top of our p.a. effects rack it summons one strange birdcall. FREAKED me out !
clas(& most unbelievably WORMy)-busters, do you even go back and read your posts ? maybe you re-read them over and over. most likely. i know clas can be abrasive or "controversial" at times or maybe worse, but the contention that intellegent gb-sters would STAY AWAY on his account is either laughable or incredibly fucking sad. wormy is untouchable, so back off. you and your "contribution". my god...
stevee, aphrodite's child 666 ? you cause me chuckle. the same dorm neighbor that tortured me with early rush tightened the rack with that one. can i top your jacotale ? hell NO ! but i saw him with an abreviated word of mouth band featuring mike stern close enough to jump on them. actually, i think the coke was taking care of that, but they were undaunted, nay, possibly fueled by the drug. they cleaned the gutters on the building.
mc, i've got to check your pics now that roy has given me no reason to go on. despite your regular reminders preceding, several factors (none of which seem that important in retrospect) prevented my viewing. long (pointless) story...
molly, hi.
duncan, who was drumming for sting ?
i've got some additional joninformation that must wait for tomorrow night...
see you turkeys then...
JW MALIBOOOOOOO!!!Didn't we agree years ago that the Ebm7 was wrong?. Didn't we say that the right chord is F#m7/Eb ?
Yesterday I played the two altenatives for Lena, my wife, I played SteveeDans first and she said: ”Yeah, that sounds right”.
So, then I played ”my” chords that I found in a Steely Dan song book back in the 70's, and she said: ”Nope”.
I divorced her.
Then I played along with the song and I came to this conclusion:
It's landing on A/B, that's right, but the question about Ebm7 or F#m7/Eb is still open. I guess our boys is just taking (single notes) Eb - C# - F#, they are not taking the 5th, or in my case, the -5th in the Ebm7-chord.
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Duncan - hey now, what email?
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I recently bought the Two Against Nature songbook. Interesting conversation with Becker/Fagen:
DONALD: In ”West of Hollywood” we were trying to write a love story really, but reducing it to the main points, almost telling it from a theoretical thing, like from an outline someone would make for a screenplay or something.
WALTER: Yeah, and I think in a way it was as far as the lyrics went. It was a very stylistic exercise trying to come up with a narrative mode that was different than what we usually do or what people usually do in songs.
DONALD: It occurs me now it was sort of like when someone is trying to tell you something some extreme experience and being carried away, by a love affair or whatever, and there seems to be no language to communicate it to someone else. We were trying–what language would you use?
WALTER: Right. And the other thing is that you can imagine some sort of transforming experience that leads you off in a place where you're no longer really able to offer a coherent account of how you got there. All you can do is allude to various stations along the way that you stopped at, and it doesn't really make sense.
DONALD: It's like a really incoherent person trying to tell a serious story.
WALTER: Right. And you know, it's sort of typicall post-modern fashion that the narrative mode or voice sort of overwhelms the actual narrative a little bit.
DONALD: The style almost takes over.
(From the Two Against Nature-songbook, Cherry Lane Music Company)
C
O, X
...minor rufous as against sallow cast of course, and less rufous/more ashy than most western Nords, but somewhat more rufous than most Balts.
Bjork, yeah. The Taliban in me -- oops, I meant Mussolini-Sicilian and Franco-Spaniard by adoption in me (I also mean to connote the wayish outtie) -- would mellifluize her pronto.No doubt (but definitely not Gwen) that mixing Bjork, Brooke and Jewel would yield some kind of titanium mean...
...But have to say Bjork among them is least ALREADY mixed, and really in her smile resembles me quite a bit indeed (in eyes least perhaps -- she's still a bit too incipiently mongoloid/Lapp). Generally, though, a real resonance there -- you know (and really seem to), a "type" thing.
Am intending to tour the Norseland sometime in the future just staring at faces and shaking some trees (sorry Steve) to see what comes out.
Toenz, JJeff,Thanks for acknowledging my efforts. I haven't made up my mind about Dylan's new cd. I put it away for now to await further judgment. You can't trust reviews of Dylan CDs. He's a deity. But I believe since he cut Oh Mercy in the 80s, Dylan's pretty much lost musicality in his compositions. as a result, reviewers I've seen pay attention to his lyrics and don't evaluate the music. More and more his new ones are chants, not songs.
Uhm, that's not gold you see, it's yella you smell.
*CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP*
hey 18 - was it something i said? and i wanted to discuss syracuse stuff with you too - what a shame about me
Would you make out with Bjork, since I guess Iceland is 60% Tronder? I'm sure she'd pass the genetic screening, but could you REALLY listen to her screeching in the name of racial purity?You always make me feel inadequate somehow.
This relationship is destructive, yet I still pursue.
Quite disturbing.
Hmmm. Am I to understand your mild ruddiness is a symptom of sun exposure - or is it more due to the tiny capillaries in your face rupturing from too much alcohol and whores?I myself have a goldish hue to my complexion. Just angelic or is there a Spaniard in the woodpile?
...innie; way outtie.
Tones: Good one on the anons.LOL "They fill me with inertia"-Peter Cook.Signing off for tonight. Sleep well.
...dark blonde/light brown; green/grey; very fair with minor rufous component.
Steveedan: I think the 3 Notes in the Grover Washington Jr. tune are in a higher key... about 2 steps up? What do you think?
Jaydubz - thanks bud... and I thought you came to San Rafael just for the giant burgers at Phyllis'... Hey, drop me a line before you head up here and I'll remember to bring that VM poster to work for you, and maybe you can have it signed yourself since it's been over a year and I still have yet to cross paths with him. Really sorry for the delay, but most of my friends will tell you that I'm "postally challenged"...-----------------------
A wise man once said:
negative anon posts are like farts: they smell really bad, and nobody wants to claim them...
t-bone
6'3, 210; 44-46L, 35/34; 12-13, D.
Yes, folks its me...I'm BACKKKKKKK! and tan!We had an extended stay of 4 extra days, due to Eiann's ear infection. It was a great trip, I met up with friends from 32 yrs ago...Drove a Jeep on the
wrong side of the road, ate passion fruit (mangos & ganipes..not in season..bummer), snorkled Buck Island, slept, read, swam, rode (horse) in the rain
forest. Shopped!!! Gotta love Duty Free!!! OH Yeah, not to mention ALL the booze I drank...LOL!
But really...I did alot of soul searching, while sittin on that deck looking at Buck Island, did alot of crying there too.I have to admit Cody beat me to the CD player and put on Bob Marley, before I could put on my "Dan". Hes been grounded..haha. My baby Eiann
has regained that twinkle back in his eyes, he laughed so pure and clean all the time. This trip was so good for our souls!We hope to go back in Aug. So if anyone wants to go in on a Big House (sleeps 4-6 or more) let me know. I've made some good connections down
there. May thru Dec is the "off" season...prices can't be beat.Eiann and the barracuda...out at Buck Island, there was a huge Barracuda under our boat. Eiann was taking pics of it for people that were too scared to
get close enough. That's my Boy! Also he warned everybody not to wear anything shiney..it would attract said big fish. Next thing I hear is some other
kid telling me not to wear anything shiney...I said "Where do you think he (eiann) heard it from?" Jacques Cousteau?resort wear...don't bother. I packed like a madwoman...ended up wearing a bikini with a sarong (with my "SIS" t-shirt for company callin'). Came home
with 90% of my clothes clean, didn't wear them.Well, back to real life....
BTW...Just in case someone was thinkin', I did not put anything in Eiann's ear to cause our delay home!
Those last 3 notes on "Just The Two Of Us" are the same as the ones leading up to the "Flame is the game" lyric of Janie Runaway. I am not sure if they are in the same key, but if not, they share the same harmonic relationship for sure. Excellent connection on that one Dr. Mu.The Carlton/Lukather CD is great. "The Pump" rocks, and someone does a great impression of Sammy Davis Jr. with the "I've been there man" line.
Clas - I know how you like to stand on your beliefs, but I must correct you on this Black Friday thing. It goes this way, and only this way, unless you are into artistic interpretation, in which case, you could fit "Mary Had A Little Lamb" in there too if you like:
A G6 F#7 G6 Ebm7 A6/D A6/B riff to Em Intro and Verse groove. This is it period. I've been playing this song live for years. Take my word for it.
Have a good one, everybody.
Steveedan
I got somethin for all you SD fans. http://yourgirlnaked.com
Tones ~ No trip to San Rafael is complete without a trip to Bedrock Records! I'm heading up north for a poster show in around Christmas, and I'll be sure to pop in and shoot the shit...and yes, TAFKAP rocks my world - "Dirty Mind" found its way back to the top of the CD heap, and is in current heavy rotation (along with Ben Folds' "Rockin' the Suburbs") in my car carousel.Midnite ~ Went out to my old digs in Malibu to check out the meteors, thanks for the tip!
um... I've just been informed that over the hill it was clear as a bell for meaty-ore viewing, and that if I'd ventured outside my local micro-climate I would have witnessed quite a show... and apparently the amateur astronomers around here really know how to party... damn!Marin Molly - Howdy! Venture into Bedrock Music sometime - Miracle Mile, San Rafael - take advantage of the GB special... ask for tones...
ooooo... two posts in one day... feels like old times...
t-zer
More good news...http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001530002-001532188,00.html
sorry cyn you landed while i was typing ( getting faster only 1.5 hours that last one)welcome back anyway
p.s. did you here some of the GB's got a golden shower at the weekend
db
Put a fork in this one, St. Al
Wanted to thank MC for the Leonid updates... we here in Marin County had our annual Leonid cloud cover, matched only in density by our annual Persid cloud cover, both of which never fail to provide me with an excuse to lay on my butt all warm and comfy indoors and mumble about how it's cloudy yet again... see, it all works out somehow...Stevied, jj (and Jdubs... I think I remember you mentioning Prince before)- yep, shiny new Prince... actually, the official release day is tomorrow, but a friend downloaded an advance for me through the fan club. And you're right, his spirituality has always been right there with his sexuality... this time it's more... evangelical, and as I understand it, it's largely due to the influence of Larry (not Billy)Graham and a Jehovah's Witness-esque denomination he's been favoring. But through all of that, the *music* is as deep and funky as anything he's ever done, and the most overtly *jazzy* thing he's done since the decade-before-it's-time Madhouse stuff. If you see a little guy in a purple limo going door-to-door in your neighborhood you might want to invite him in...
Gina - Thank you for the Caldera tape! I haven't had a chance to pop it in yet, but plan on it soon...
Many more belated shout outs to Lisa and Daddy G, clas, elle, Howard, Dragon, Roy Scam, Stranger, StevEEdan...
I missed my one year anniversary around this place... oh maaaaaaaaan... and I was hoping for a surprise party...
pizza
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oh yeah... can someone fill me in on why we're being shunned by Blaiser?
Meteor showers ehhh thanks MC for the pic's needed a new screensaver, cool cloud & 1 for bin laden somehow don't fit my mood at the moment.Couple of SD moments from my weekend..
After cleaning out a draw I found an old tape & turns out it's an interview with the boys from rad2 aired in 99 I think.
I'd forgotten just how funny the D&W can be if you get them in the same room A real joy to here it again ( only wished I had taped the second part)Hannibal lector eating a Dean & Deluca take out on the plane..
(Jamie wants a D&D mail order catalogue sending over they don't do overseas requests from their www .. anybody in NY feeling helpful)I'm getting to see what the boy's mean I don't think I'd want to sit next to me at a dinner party either…
Caught sting live on TV this weekend featuring Christian McBride on double bass.. Blimey he's a big fellow.
That's quiet a live band he's assembled there. (Sting)
The caption read the police would re-form when the Grand Canyon does.
This led me to thinking that there must be a band called Grand Canyon …
Let's hope that they've broken up & reformed recently as some of his recent stuff lacks that ''power trio'' clout of yore
(Syncronicity II my fav)Dano: look out were coming to London there's an exibition by '' rock artist'' Rodger Dean on till Feb 2002 the man responsible for some of the best / worst album covers EVER depending on you're point of view (print orders being taken)
www.rodger-dean.comAfter hearing a version of Bladen Races this weekend this sent me to the garage to find an old Twisted Sister bootleg.
If I remember rightly they where the cutting edge of metal at one time my, my how times change. Fucking great live band though.Chris Difford has signed to a friend's new label.... Product available soon.
To everybody here who loves Joni Mitchell, Caught Marti Pellow covering the river on Sat sounded great, glad he got through his own ''drugs hell'' alsoBoth Mcartney & Jagger on the radio today anybody would think its Christmas or something.
Played Linda a tape of Kate Winslet's single tonight she loved it also… Looks like I'll be spending some of my lemon dash on a single for the second time this millennium.Couple of shouts from D L, me
Fezo: Good choice Linda's fav the middle one
'' No more quasi-porn here thanks'' (was funny though)
eLLe: welcome home
orleander: glad you liked them also
Cyn: you back yet or what, where's my card
StAl: send me you're postal addresses please having some goodies for you this Christmas.
Oop's I've done it again…. (Must stop buying live CD's that’s 9 out of my last 12) who live at Leeds re-master & Albert Hall 2000)Clas: you seem different overthere why is that '' civil almost''
Considering that you never returned the one e-mail I sent you.
SH: hi
CC: thanks for the mail will return to you soonTo the anon who posted the cool stuff about hot rod cars & stuff…
If they're all so nice, friendly & sociable over there in chat why don't you fuck of back.. lol
Only joking
(fingers crossed)
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db
You are always asking about dress size, measurements, etc. Yet where are the details of your assets? How about some stats regarding YOUR goods? Really, it's only fair.
I thought you weren't going to use "NYBill" any more?
"Why are all the assholes back?" I have news for you babe,
this place aint nuthin' but assholes... Including you of
course... Don and Walt, they must be assholes too for forwarding
people to such a forum. So, once again, Bite the Hell out of Me!Screw You
Have a Bad Day
Bite Me (did i say bite me already?)
Kiss mineSorry for being so nasty...just trying to fit in.
Very Sincerely,
NYBill (the meaner and nastier NYBill, the one you really want)
Make the Children SufferWith a pile of dead white high school students perched precariously on their backs, media giants are easing away from violent entertainment. Anything that could provoke a lawsuit ? greasy Italian mobsters whacking each other and armed-to-the-teeth high school graduates slaying 60-foot ophidian demons, for instance ? is facing increased scrutiny from wary executives.
It's the "Post-Littleton" aftermath.
Before Littleton (B.L.), school shootings momentarily provoked outrage, but the hype over a long-awaited film or vaunted finale to a beloved sitcom quickly overshadowed the mournful faces. But Littleton is seared into our collective memory because rarely have so many middle-class, God-fearing, porcelain youth met a brutal demise in one fell swoop.
This is an emotionally charged issue, one in which logic is notably absent. Recent studies estimate that only 20 to 30 youths are murdered at school annually, not quite an epidemic when one considers that there are around 20 million middle school and high school students.
The Center for Substance Abuse Protection estimates that eight young people a day die in alcohol-related car crashes, and the most accurate data on child abuse fatalities currently available estimate that in 1996, 1,185 child abuse and neglect related fatalities were confirmed by Child Protective Service agencies. Based on these numbers, more than three children die each day as a result of child abuse or neglect. Since 1985, the rate of child abuse fatalities has increased by 34%
On the day two boys, ages 11 and 13, killed four classmates, a California mother was arrested for suffocating her three children with duct tape.
A few days after Michael Carneal killed three students at Heath High School in West Paducah, Ky., three West Virginia parents were arrested for burning down their house, intentionally roasting five children.
The day after 90-lb weakling Kip Kinkle slaughtered two classmates in his school's cafeteria, another California mother was arrested for murdering her two young children and burying them in the national forest.
A child is more likely to be killed by his mother than his Goth chemlab partner, but restricting access to "violent and sexual" material is the quick fix that politicians love. When parents comprise such a large portion of a politician's voter base, appeasing them is a high priority. Telling the fruitful mother with two towheaded crotchlings and a bad case of sperm poisoning that her parenting skills aren't up to snuff assures a politician of a one-way ticket out of the Capitol.
Henry Hyde, exalted leader of the House Committee on the Judiciary, recently proposed a bill that is an affront to the First Amendment, and yet another attempt to lighten the parental burden.
The "Children's Defense Act of 1999" would prohibit any establishment ? from libraries to video stores to bookstores ? from selling, renting, or loaning violent and sexual material to minors.
Among the no-no's on Hyde's list include: acts of masturbation, homosexuality, and sexual intercourse; physical contact with a person's clothed or unclothed genitals, buttocks, or breasts; rape; acts of mutilation upon the human body; and, sadistic or masochistic activity. Which basically rules out all of my favorite entertainment.
Violators face up to five years in jail for the first offense, and ten for the second.
"? Suffer the little children ?" Jesus once said, and with those words, we've been suffering from them ever since.
Whenever an incorrigible, undisciplined child commits a heinous act, adults are expected to turn introspective and ponder how we can change our behavior in order to improve children's lives. That translates into zapping all the fun from our plodding existences.
Ban porn. Make happy video games. Regulate the Internet. Confiscate copies of "The Tin Drum."
Fuck that. There's only one solution to this problem: kill the children; kill them all; kill them slowly and painfully, listening to their shrill voices cry out for you to make the pain stop because it's time for their 3 O'clock session with an anger management consultant.
The snivelly-wivelly hellions serve no purpose. They don't do chores. They don't milk the cows. They don't mind the farm. They don't know how to spell. They don't behave. They don't have spines. They don't have coping skills. They don't understand the word "polite."
They've been attachment parented. They've been family bedded. They've been num-num booby-fed until they were old enough to ask for it. They've been timed-out. They've been self-esteemed. And, none of it has worked.
They run willy-nilly through classrooms, restaurants, and our lives because there ain't enough Ritalin to go around, and if the Democrats have their way, there won't be enough bullets to go around, either.
So, let's get started before it's too late.
Q: Why don't eLLe use a vibrator?
A: It chips her teeth.Q: How do you tell which is the Groom at a eLLe's wedding?
A: He's the one with the CLEAN bowling shirt.Q: How did the eLLe teach her son which way to put his underwear on?
A: Yellow in the front, Brown in the back!Q: How do you ruin a eLLe's birthday party?
A: Flush the punch bowl.Q: Why did the eLLe and her hubby decide to have only 4 children?
A: They'd read in the newspaper that one out of every five babies born in the world today is Chinese.Q: What does a eLLe girl do after she sucks cock?
A: Spits out the feathers.Q: Why don't eLLe breast-feed her babies?
A: It hurts too much when she boils her nipples.Q: How are a hockey goalie and a eLLe woman alike?
A: They both change their pads after 3 periods.Q: Why did the eLLe stand on a toilet?
A: She wanted to be high on pot.
Howard: You and Andy have made my day. Fagen really nails the vocals on that recording of Rag. Herington sounds just fab, with the right amount of nasty feedback. His sense of rhythm is really impressive and has integrated styles of Skunk, Dias, Carlton into his own.
Meet me at world!
Dr: Well, I think
eLLe has stopped beating her kids - or else they moved out - and she's looking for a real man to show her the way - ssssssssssmack!
Wasn't she the trivia subject of a very fine question?
clas has stopped sucking his dog, beating his wife - or else she moved on, and his kid is out of the house
NYBill, blindly, stupidly, keeps making 'anonymous' posts despite the fact that his script leaves him noticed, and he needs our stupid attention because he is so dull and boring and just god awful dumb
hey wait anon #xxxx, don't say Boston, people will think it's me! not me, really...on the meteor shower, we were beat from catering a meal saturday night so did not set the alarm knowing we would sleep through it, but i was mighty impressed my 8 year old daughter and her 7 year old friend, on their own, set their alarms and met outside in their jammies and coat (hopefully) to see the show, they said it was phenomenal and are still raving about their adventure, moments they will likely remember into their adult life - it did my heart good i tell ya!
welcome back cyn, and have that drink, dammit! ;p
No, eLLe - Carlin was specifically taking about your ugly fat ass, which can be smeLLed all the way over here in Boston!
I'm talking about band t-shirts, what's you're prob anon?
OH yeah, pardon me, I forgot..
you're so stupid that even George Carlin looks at this page
and does a bit about it
I mean he's obviously talking about the anons.
I mean it's obvious, isn't it?LMFAO!!!!!HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA dolt!
Hi jjeff : )) hope you're well.
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child abuse?
hey BUTT-head, I think you're BUTT-ING up the wrong tree.
child abuse is NOT my forte'
or perhaps you are referring to the Eric Clapton tour?
hey! psssssst.... get over yourself.:D
Soulflower??? I've seen jewelry crafted by summer-camp kids that looked better than the crap on that website! smeLLey: tell your hippie gurlfriend to lay off the acid and look into some vocational courses, preferably NOT in design!
really, really
really really..
like them and want some gear
check out
www.soul-flower.com
(shameless plug for some excellent people specializing in SCI
and Phish, etc.)
HI CYN!!!!!!! Big Ups to yah girl-friend!!
XXeLLe
oh, and for those of you who copy and paste the address in that Pat left, be sure to leave the last period (.) off or you won't get there.I just realized something, the page we post on is a different shade of yellow than the actual guestbook?!? I'm talking about the existing GB, not the new one.
St.Al....looks good to me....are you going to use the existing header graphic or something different? I like the new features, especially the ability to use html without screwing things up. I remember in the old days I used to leave a tag open and everything below that would be affected!
Here's the URL to the new GB. CHeck it out and let me know what you think.http://www.banyantrees.net/cgi-bin/guestbook.cgi.
Do nont link directly to this URL. It may change.
Pat
bride- I do remember that intervew with Fagen. Yeah, you won't see "Luke" playing with them on record or on tour in the near future. You know...he does nothing for me either.
Midnite-- on Lukather, you know Fagen once commented that Lukather didn't do anything for him as a guitarist, so I kind of doubt that will happen
Yes, folks its me...I'm BACKKKKKKK! and tan!We had an extended stay of 4 extra days, due to Eiann's ear infection. It was a great trip, I met up with friends from 32 yrs ago...Drove a Jeep on the wrong side of the road, ate passion fruit (mangos & ganipes..not in season..bummer), snorkled Buck Island, slept, read, swam, rode (horse) in the rain forest. Shopped!!! Gotta love Duty Free!!! OH Yeah, not to mention ALL the booze I drank...LOL!
But really...I did alot of soul searching, while sittin on that deck looking at Buck Island, did alot of crying there too.I have to admit Cody beat me to the CD player and put on Bob Marley, before I could put on my "Dan". Hes been grounded..haha. My baby Eiann has regained that twinkle back in his eyes, he laughed so pure and clean all the time. This trip was so good for our souls!
We hope to go back in Aug. So if anyone wants to go in on a Big House (sleeps 4-6 or more) let me know. I've made some good connections down there. May thru Dec is the "off" season...prices can't be beat.Eiann and the barracuda...out at Buck Island, there was a huge Barracuda under our boat. Eiann was taking pics of it for people that were too scared to get close enough. That's my Boy! Also he warned everybody not to wear anything shiney..it would attract said big fish. Next thing I hear is some other kid telling me not to wear anything shiney...I said "Where do you think he (eiann) heard it from?" Jacques Cousteau?
resort wear...don't bother. I packed like a madwoman...ended up wearing a bikini with a sarong (with my "SIS" t-shirt for company callin'). Came home with 90% of my clothes clean, didn't wear them.
Well, back to real life....
BTW...Just in case someone was thinkin', I did not put anything in Eiann's ear to cause our delay home!
Howard: Great find on Andy's site. Thanks for the head's up.MC: I will make it through the week, but it is never easy. Glad someone else caught String Cheese Incident. Yeah, I noticed the congas and drum set too. That guy was great. David, you should try to catch this guy working those drums.
Hank: Glad your house is ok. Only thing worse then a fire alarm going off in the middle of the night, is an earthquake.
May I never have to go through either experience either again.
Sorry no decent view on the Meteors.Good day all....
"was" = "saw".....!aixelsyD nmaDHank....glad it was just a false alarm! Ours go off if there's a power failure....good to know you + Pat + 3 Good Cats + 1 are all OK.
I've really gotta get some work done now!
***pooof***
steviedan & JDubs....all the talk of Toto got me listening to them again....Past to Present has been on the last couple of days....the core group of Jeff Porcaro, David Paich and Steve Lukather is really the stuff....different singers, bass players and rotating Porcaro family members but a solid core with great chops there.Here's a thought....having Steve Lukather play in the guitar slot on the next Steely Dan tour. He's got solid rock and jazz chops, has done a ton of session work and I think could wail on the SD tunes. Just give a listen to Luke and Larry Carlton doing the Live in Japan thing to see how he stacks up along side one of SD's brightest guitarists. I particularly liked their cover of "Cause We Ended As Lovers" from Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow. Any thoughts on Luke in the guitar spot??
angel & St.Al....I was String Cheese Incident on ACL the other week too....they were awesome! Great musicians, each and every one....only drummer I've seen who plays drums and congas at THE SAME TIME! The whole band cooked....very tight!
hit Clas's house! Stupid universe!
Midnite: nice pic, mate. Modern technology capturing an ancient show. I've enjoyed hearing others' experiences viewing the meteors, and this is mine:Here in Pennsylvania, we've had an extended dry spell with clear skies, so I was hopeful and set the alarm for 4:30 a.m. Instead, the smoke alarm blasted us awake at 1:45. No fire, no smoke, no nothin', but the alarm shook the house and our collective eardrums for 10-15 seconds before going silent again.
It took awhile to check the entire house for any sign of fire, and even longer to relax enough to go back to sleep. I'd found Kelly, the oldest cat, hiding under the bed in the spare bedroom, and I tried to calm him down, but he wouldn't move. However, a few minutes after turning off the lights and going back to bed, there was a soft thump on the bed as Kelly hopped up and curled up between me, Pat and 2 other cats who needed to feel safer.
Postscript: Pat's brother, an electrician, helped us fix the problem with the smoke alarm. Oh, and it turned out to be too cloudy to see anything anyway. But that was the worst thing that happened to us Sunday, so we're doing fine...
Roy, Mu, jjeff and others....here's a decent explanation of why the meteors seemed to be going in all directions in the sky:"Meteor showers occur at the same time each year because the orbits of the dust and the Earth form a sort of celestial crossroads. Once a year, at the same point (the dates can differ by a day from year to year due to the nature of the calender and the gravitational pull of the planets on the orbiting dust) the Earth goes through the crossroads. The number of meteors seen from that shower will depend on the amount of "traffic" at the time. The number of particles encountered is related to the way
the dust comes off the comet and how long ago it was ejected. With all the dust particles from a particular shower having closely similar motions, their paths in the atmosphere are parallel. Parallel lines, like railway lines converging towards the horizon, appear to radiate from a central point. For a meteor shower, this point is called the radiant and the constellation in which the radiant lies gives its name to the shower. The particles from comet Tempel-Tuttle radiate from the constellation Leo and are therefore called the Leonids."ole....sounds like you had the perfect idea with the futon....I'll be so glad when we get some good rain though, these fires are scaring the shit out of me! Feels like we're sitting in the middle of a tinderbox here.
jjeff....sorry 'bout the cloud cover....we were in a narrow band of clouds from 3am until about 5:30am and missed a lot but what we did get to see was cool.
Mu....I hadn't notice about the fade on Just The Two Of Us....I'll have to go back and listen to it today and compare. Thanks for the heads up.
angel....I'm just so glad that y'all got to see them! That's cool that you got to share it with the family. Hang in there this week, hopefully it'll be over before you know it!
I'm only working one day (Wednesday) this week....lots to get caught up on around here though....guess I'd better get started.
later y'all
MC
Your microscopic breakdown of every last note of every last
song is equivalent to watching grass grow! NOBODY IS IMPRESSED!
Howard - you're saying it has to be a B-note, leading back to E.But I think the single notes, as Steeve mentioned, is the ”leading back to” E:
EB-C#-B-(go up to)E-(go down to)G-(go down to)E-E.
And seriously, try F#m/Eb - A6/D - (and yes) Bm7/E
Let's se tomorrow,
C
Picking on Steveedan, Clas, Howard the duck, and the X@Y guy
would be considered child abuse would'nt it?
"We are all more aware of child abuse, more educated on how to recognize signs of abuse""Actual cases of abuse are down and that has been "backed up" by studies of parents that answer questions concerning care, discipline and abuse questionaires or assesments."
Read what you wrote and *think* about it for minute. That's right. *Think*
Hey, whaddya know? Andy M. has updated his site with some new Steely sounds! The Birmingham UK airing of the "Steely Dan Show" song is there - must get that, especially since I was actually *at* that concert!Howard
P.S see below for URL. Nice one Andy!
Clas and SteveeDan:Black Friday isn't a track I've worked out in detail, so I don't have all the chords at my fingertip. But, here's what I do know:
You really do need those 6 and 7 chords for the first bit of the chorus quoted ("When Black Friday comes ..."). This is a blues after all, so yes: A G6 F#7 G6.
The last bass note in that section is B - has to be, cos even D+W need that V-I to bring you back into the verse. So Clas, not sure if I like the sound of Bm7/E - Stevee's A/B sounds like it's going to work here. Need to listen at home to figure out those other two chords.
One feature of the piano/bass/drum/elec. piano demo of this track that's interesting is that Donald shouts out just before this sequence of chords starts, I guess so that either Jeff Porcaro or Mike McD know to change from the E7 vamp.
(What do you mean you havn't heard the demo? Visit http://members.home.com/metzger/dan/sounds.htm immediately!)
Howard
...but clouds got in my wayMC:I was up four or five times Sat. nite checking out conditions. Saw a few at 1130 and 130. Right up to the prime viewing period(5-6A.M.) it was nice and clear albeit a little cold here in the north(-6C). I went in to get warm for about 15min. and when I came out there was a nice quilted blanket covering the entire earth. I did manage to see the initial flare but no tails so it was like white Christmas lights going off under cotton batting. I was surprised to see someone posting that they weren't all going in the same direction but then RoyScam confirmed it. Mu's refracting chaos theory sounds probable.
Alden Martin: Welcome, but CapsLock off please. I was about to start evacuation procedure.
Stevedan: Nice memories of some great players. Careful on your reasoning re:Clas. Although I seemed to have missed what the pissing contest is about, he's playing you asking for chord progression.
Hi, eLLe.
Sorry Stevee, should be: F#m/EbC
Steveedan - ”A - G6 - F#7 - G6 - Ebmin7 - A/D - A/B”?Okay, let go for adding 6 and 7 to the G and F# chords but, no no, it really doesn't work with Ebm7, try F#m7/E instead.
And for A/D, it's okay I think, but I think you have to keep the D-major feel, so add a 6th to the A-chord (it'll be Dmajor9)
And the last chord is Bm7/E, nothing else.
Seriously, try it. Next time you are playing Santa Monica I'll be standing at the pier, listening.
---Kate - yes, of course it is. That must have been a Freudian slip or something?
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Webster - I don't know why some of you gringos are so obsessed with assholes, but, for your information, my name is Lundkvist, not ”Lundvidst”. So your theory bursted. Sorry for that.
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Have you seen this; George W Bush is now a feminist! He's very worried for the woman in Afgahnistan. He's going to set them free!
Yieeeepie Yahooo!!!
Bush origins from TEXAS, right?
C
PS aim your guns at Clas instead of the other people here
My only contribution to this site will be to drive you
motherfuckers ABSOLUTELY INSANE. It's all you deserve.
It's all you will recieve. Just wait and see what comes next.
hehehe...
MC--Got up at 4 yesterday am and unrolled the mini futon on the back driveway--beautiful show--the most fun was the unpredictability of it, and the complete quiet. Nice clear skies, despite the huge forest fires near us which have been covering us with smoke lately.RS--Of course! The Kosherizer! I forgot, we have one in the cabinet next to the Cuisinart.
Dragon--OK to SOY, as long as it's "Scam Oh YEAH!"
Along those lines, "My Rival" was a recent NPR music bed.
My advise when building a race rear for you car is to use the
C-clip eliminators. Don't fuck around with this one ok? Use
the fucking things because one time I had this 65' GTO that
i bought from some asshole and well the car had one of those
old 389 tri-power setups in it and i was on the parkway
one day when i dedide to lay into it and well you can probably
picture the result right? The fuckin' rearend disintegrated
right in the middle of the parkway! That was bad enough but
because the C-clip eliminators had'nt been installed the rear
axles let go too and shot right out of the rear! Man, what a
fuckin' scene! Fortunately the car skidded off the side of the
road and wound up coming to a rest about 2 feet from a real big
oak tree which would certainly have put a stop to any of my
future plans if i had not been real lucky.Just a little advise, if your pushin' anything over 300
horsepower and you have intentions of doing holeshots or
anything like that, then make sure you install those goddamned
C-clip eliminators or your askin' for BIG trouble in my opinion.
I mean what's the point of dropping a worked 454 big block,
competition 700R4 trans and a 12 bolt posi in your ride only
to have the axles let go when the differential explodes?
No point right?Have Fun
Be Safe
MC: Cool picture. Too bad you lose the meteor trail at the bottom of the image. Last night was something my family will never forget. Thanks so much for bringing it to our attention. Special thanks for the information that told us what time to see it.I did manage to catch the Austin City Limits with St. Al's favorite band, The String Cheese Incident. They really reminded me of Phish (not a surprise). But the coolest thing they did the whole evening was the final song. Just the acoustic guitar player and the drummer. The drummer knelt down next to the guitar player and literally "played drums on the guitar" while the guitarist played the song on the same guitar. Quite a cool effect.
Real terrible week coming up. 5 days work stuffed into a 2 1/2 day work week. Can't wait for Thanksgiving. Have a wonderful
Holiday all.
MC: Holy Mackeral. That's a shower.Have you noticed that the very last 3 (ascending) notes of the sax solo in Just the Two of Us bear an striking resemblance as the .."outta here.." notes just before the chorus in Gaslighting Abbie?
eLLe....NOT good to see your back.
Abuse is forever -- don't ask, TeLL eLLe.
Sweetheart, normal is temporary, just ask eLLe.
hello Midnight Cruisiohello xraywoman
:D
alden martin -- Welcome! As for Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, well everyone's got to be somewhere. As for a new album, keep you eyes peeled on the official page www.steelydan.com.Managed to catch some of the meteor shower. Before 1 AM nothing seemed to be happening around these parts, then it started to rain. The clouds and rain let up just enough right around 5AM for me to put down a blanket on top of wet concrete driveway and catch two dozen or so meteors. Some were pretty bright and large. But as far as meteor showers go for me I'd have to rate this a poor second to one I saw 8 or so years ago. I drove out to the middle of almost nowhere to escape light pollution and crawled on top of my car hood. I must have seen one per minute for an hour or two and the weather was much better, the sky was completely free of clouds. I hope that most star gazers experiences were more like my number one.
Regarding the child abuse let me explain again. We are all more aware of child abuse, more educated on how to recognize signs of abuse (not just witnessing an actual physical attack) and therefore it is reported more, more investigations follow and more confirmed cases are found because of increased awareness by a teacher or healthcare professional, etc. Actual cases of abuse are down and that has been "backed up" by studies of parents that answer questions concerning care, discipline and abuse questionaires or assesments. The studies have been done over several decades and the data show that abuse is declining steadily.
It used to be that child abuse was not talked about and it was only recognized in the most blatant of cases. It was only a few decades ago when a child could be abused and not even realize it, thinking that was "normal" behavior for a family. So a child could have their life threatened, be physical abused on a daily basis and not have any clue that anything was wrong. Now most children are aware of what is normal discipline and what is abuse and may even go to a teacher for help. Or years ago a teacher wouldn't have a clue of the signs of an abused child, now that same child could be a textbook example of what to look for. Forensic medicine has taught health care professionals what sort of bruising patterns are abuse patterns and what are normal wear and tear, what sort of bone breaks are from falling down a flight of stairs or off a bike and which are from the child getting his/her arm twisted. Hence more reports, more confirmed cases.Kate -- Welcome! I have no idea what you are talking about... feel free to explain.
How cool that so many of you got to see the Leonids last night!!!
We had a fair show here. Shirl & I got up at 2am and were in our little staked out spot by 2:30. The sky was crystal clear and we were seeing a few nice ones while I was setting the camera up on the tripod. I had snapped a couple of pics when the haze rolled in, followed by clouds that hung around until about 5:25am when it cleared nicely for us to see lots of meteors and me to snap a few more pics. Then the haze rolled in again so at 6am we packed up and drove the few miles back to home. As we were unloading the car it was starting to get light and the haze had lifted again. We could still see the brighter stars and were seeing multiple bright meteors by then but we were just running out of darkness. So we had a hit and miss night but when it was clear, that was by far the most active shower I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of them over the years. I did mange to get one photo with a meteor in the pic although it did get out of frame before it fizzled out. The bright "star" is actually a planet. The rest are star trails and the meteor is in the lower right hand corner. Was hoping to get more pics but the weather just didn't cooperate. The only adjustment I made to the pic was to adjust the brightness and contrast to darken the sky from the original print. Anyway, here's the pic:http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Meteor2.jpg
Mu....you were right about the last one. Brightness is usually determined by the size of the dust particles.
Roy....they all "appear" to eminate from the same source, or radiant as they call it, because it's the path that the comet debris is in. I'll see if I can find a link that explains this a little better than I can.
SteveeDan....it's not actually the burning dust particle we see but the trail of ionized gas left from the heating of the particle. It's just a "tube of light" left for us to see after the dust particle burns up.
I just can't tell y'all how cool it is to me that so many of you got to see such a good show as the Leonids put on last night. I wish ours had been a little better and I wish Mu had been able to see it too. That very well may have been a once in a lifetime event!
Catch up with the rest of what's going on tomorrow!
eLLe....good to see you're back.
P.S....had a wonderful drive coming back from picking up my film today....listening to Bill Withers and Grover Washington Jr. doing the extended version of "Just The Two Of Us"....very cool.
MC
Moo wouldn't know a deconstruction if a pat beemer jumped over and Mooned ya with it.
MC follows the stars, and should have the real answer.Just whacked out guesses:
1) The velocity vector of the meteor shower could be normal instead of tangential. In other words, Leonid was hitting us straight on this year instead of an angle. This would be consistent with the large number of shooting stars everybody (except me) were priviledged to see last night.
While the average mass of the shower is heading in a general and predictable direction, particles are probably bouncing off each other creating a "random walk" kind of phenomenon around the mean.
2) Since the velocity vector is straight on particles burning up to the left are heading in one direction, and to the right in another.
3) Particles are hitting the atmosphere (see 1) at slightly different angles - then as they hit the atmosphere, they're refracting in different manners (a little chaos theory), based on size, local atmopheric conditions along the path, differences in changes in air around the meteors due to rapid and extreme heating (no two lightining bolts look exactly alike - crude analogy).
4) Difference in brightness probably have to do with size, distance from observe, angle of entry, etc.
Regardless of the preceding obscenely, overdone and randomly accurate deconstruction, it must have been some COOL shit!
Dear Santa Clas,It's actually, "he makes friends easy, he's not like me"
Clas, instead of driving away intelligent Dan fans from this guest book, you and your Swedish king need to focus on getting blown at the Gold Club. I hope the CIA freezes the Swedish treasury in order to stop that contant export of bad music like Europe, Ace of Base, ABBA and Ing Viegh Malm Steen. I know its futile, but go away Clas, go away voluntarily and permanently. You are a disgrace to Scandinavia. Have you ever been out before? Say it in Swedish.
the George Carlin remark~~~~~~~ HOW TWISTED can u be????"It was not "aimed" at the Dan but people who listen to them."
WHAT?
WHAT?
*shakes head with mouth open, making cheeks shake and makes 3 Stooges-like noises*
HEY..what came first the chicken or the egg?and frankly I wore a "SNUGGLY" with both my children, leaving my hands free, NOT to use my credit card, but to do all the things I would normally do, without the use of some stupid pram/carriage thingie.. and WHY you might ask, well,
because carrying the child in front of your body, is very much like being in the womb. The child can hear your hearbeat, your voice, feel "you" while he/she is experiencing the "outside world" at the same time, thus making the infant a "smarter" "secure" child.
Oh and not to mention, getting the rack back to normal QUICKER.George, you're a has been, washed out, bitter old geezer. Once funny .. ( the hippy dippy weather man etc.)..but now..weak, man..
very very weak.eLLe
hahahhaaa HELLO fuckwads I'm baaaaAAAAAAck
*Dating Game Kiss* *********
weekly meeting of over chatters anonymous now in session.....
you are late!
"It is true that reports and confirmed cases of abuse have gone up, but this is because we are all more educated and less likely to turn our heads instead of making a phone call to the authorities, hence increased reports and confirmed cases while actual abuse is going down."If the number of reports and confirmed cases are going up, then how in the fuck do you figure the actual number of cases are going down? Are you really as dumb as you sound, or can you provide some support for that statement?
Midnite Cruiser: Watched the shower at about 5 EST. Great show. Thanks for the heads up (no pun meant). I laid on my front porch with my head resting on a pumpkin while my wife (formerly known as Myra Eyeful) watched the sky with me and exchanged hoooos with an owl somewhere across the street. And there was no minimum or cover charge. Mother Nature can be a swell Mom when she's in a good mood. A large percentage of the meteors appeared , from central Virginia, to be headed toward Orion's Belt, which must have been discomforting and/or stimulating to Orion, but, in total, we saw 'stars falling' in every direction in all corners of the sky.
Which brings up two questions, for which the dumbness of which I hereby apologize: 1) If it's a shower, why weren't the meteors all moving the same direction rather than appearing to come from all degrees of the cosmos. 2) Why do some of the them appear to have a tracer-bullet-like tail , some of which remained visible for two seconds after the passage of the meteor?
I figure between you and Dr. Mu, I could ascertain all knowledge of all things (or at least enough to effectively fake omnipotence). You might also explain about the urban owl that seemed to mimic our calls.To those of you who missed the shower: That was your last chance this lifetime, Dumbass, but don't let me make you feel bad about it. By about 5:30, the stars were falling with such frequency and amplitude, that I fully expected to hear "Stars and Stripes Forever" and hear thousands of people ah-and-oohing. And it was so cool that they scheduled it for nightime when we could enjoy it.
The George Carlin remark on HBO took a poke at people who listen to Steely Dan (not the Dan themselves). George says we're the type of people who wear those baby papoose packs and jog with our dogs. -- I deny both , but I'd rather hear George complain, even if it's directed at me, than to hear most people elating.
alden~ If anyone, anywhere were capable of creating another "Aja", I'm thinking it would have been done by now, but I heartily applaud the idea. I'd rather they keep making good albums that maybe fall a little short of their masterpiece than to go into artistic retraction like Brian Wilson did after Pet Sounds.
Oleander~ At great expense and inconvenience to myself, and at the cost of massive indignation from the Rabii's Guild, I've had myself kosherized. I'm now in official compliance with all belief systems except Hinduism.
Yes, I've said too much again, thanks for reading this far.
RS
Name: ClasThe Somalian organisation al-Barakaat is located in Rinkeby, a suburb north of Stockholm. The Swedish Somalians are using that organisation to send home money to their families in Somalia.
George W Bush and CIA have decided to call that ”Terrorism”. The organisations money are frozen.
How can this happen?
CIA gives UN a list of organisations that are considered being connected to al-Qaida. Al-Barakaat is listed in that list.
Why?
Nobody knows except for CIA.
I express my opinion and am immediately identified as an idiot.
The Swedish Government, the Swedish Parliament and the plantain I have shoved up my ass (lundvidst) can't do anything.
What, me an idiot??? That's pretty obvious.
C
3.30am that's about the time Dan stopped crying last night.
teething sounds such a nice word.
been trying 2AN this weekend but can't here any voices at the end.(apart from the normal ones in my head)
Thanks steveedan great peice the other day
see ya
db
Speaking of fruits: I hear that a hollowed out plantain approximates the female canal and is great for a male masturbatory aid. Food for thought...
Clas- That's funny...in english "Lund" means "ass" and "Vidst" means "hole"
Set my Alarm for 3:30 am. Cruised the "Utopia" out to the middle of Charlotte Harbor and watched the Meteor Shower 'till 5am.
What a great light show.
Angel: was on the water's edge, actually on the edge of the east coast, land wise. View was spectacular!! Meteors trailing in all directions....vapor trails of blue and green, very heavy and sustained were some, cut right to your soul. Was staring at this cosmic light show and thinking "now, which Dan tune could this be choreographed to?"1. Do It Again (obviously, please do, what I am out here freezing my ass off for)
2. F.M. (no static at all, Fabulous Meteorites)
3. Hey Nineteen (nineteenth one seen in thirty seconds)
4. Green Earrings (imagery in play)
5. The Royal Scam (jokes on us folks, just look up)
6. King of the World (could make believers out of some)
Witnessing a once in a lifetime event of this proportion puts alot of things in perspective. Opens avenues for soul-searching, letting go of a few ice chunks along with the universe. Cathartic.
Good morning fellow star gazers --I almost went north out of the city proper of Los Angeles, but my plans fell through. So at about 3 AM, after the fog lifted, I went up to the roof of my home to check out the Leonid meteor shower. WOW. Amazing. Lots and lots of shooting stars. A few that I saw left so pretty big trails. I was pretty amazed to have been able to see as much as I did because I live in the city and there is a lot of light where I am.
I would love to have been able to see this from the center of the lake up at Lake Arrowhead, or just out in the desert somewhere. For those who did this, it must have been spectacular.
I pasted the following 4 paragraphs from an article from my Netscape browser:
"The Leonids are minute dust particles shed by Comet Tempel-Tuttle. The meteors are called Leonids because they appear to come from the direction of the constellation Leo the Lion.
The comet swings around the sun once every 33 years, leaving a trail of dust. Each November, the Earth's orbit takes it through that slowly dissipating trail.
Comet Tempel-Tuttle most recently passed close to the sun in February 1998. However, the dust particles seen as shooting stars across North America on Sunday were shed during a 1766 pass.
Those particles, each no larger than a grain of sand, enter the atmosphere traveling 45 miles a second. When they meet the friction of air molecules, they burn up harmlessly, leaving only a brilliant streak of light."
It amazes me that we can see a burning particle of dust with the naked eye. Also, tonight's light show was brought to us by the comet when it passed by the earth 10 years before the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Ain't that mind blowing.
Well, ... I'm dying to be a star, and make them laugh ...
(Steely Dan mention for insurance purposes ...)Someone asked me not to respond to Clas, and I have decided that when Clas is courteous, and asks me about music and chord progressions, that it is OK to do so. So having stated that, I would like to address him now ...
Hi Clas - got your mention about the "turn-around" chords from Black Friday. Actually, I call that the Chorus, short as it might be. I would like to modify for you the chords you wrote as I feel that you would enjoy trying them in the following manner (save this for yourself, you are going to want this):
A - G6 - F#7 - G6 - Ebmin7 - A/D - A/B followed by single notes played in both hands: B-C#-B-(go up to)E-(go down to)G-(go down to)E-E.
Enjoy, and leave your cell phone in the kitchen!
Steveedan
Did that surprise you Angel?Listen:
The Somalian organisation al-Barakaat is located in Rinkeby, a suburb north of Stockholm. The Swedish Somalians are using that organisation to send home money to their families in Somalia.
George W Bush and CIA have decided to call that ”Terrorism”. The organisations money are frozen.
How can this happen?
CIA gives UN a list of organisations that are considered being connected to al-Qaida. Al-Barakaat is listed in that list.
Why?
Nobody knows except for CIA.
The EU-commission executes the decree from UN, and it immediately becomes a law in Sweden.
The Swedish Government and the Swedish Parliament can't do anything.
That's pretty scary.
C
MC: Wow, what a night! Temperature is in the 40's and clear skies (sorry Mu). Shower is going on as I post and it really brings into focus the fact they WE ARE ON A PLANET! Each meteor flying from East to West, usually in bunches. Definitly worth the loss of sleep to see. Hope some of you managed to catch it.
WHEN IS THERE TO BE ANOTHER ALBUM???i WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOMETHING LIKE AN AJA , THE ROYAL SCAM , STYLE HYBRID COMBINATION .
ANYHOW DONALD AND WALTER , MUST BE CRUISING AROUND I GUESS!!
We recognize no difference between Clas and those idiots who harbor or defend him.
Dragon - Erics-son it is. You know, In old times in Sweden, the -son names came from this:Fathers name was Gustav - well, his son got the last name Gustavsson. Or if you're a girl and your fathers name is Einar - your name is Einarsdotter (Einarsdaughter). Those ”Daughters” name are very common in Iceland, Veijnesdottir or something.
My last name, Lundkvist, are two words, the word ”Lund” means ”Grove”, the word ”Kvist” means ”Twig”. The Swedish name are pretty poetic, like in Japan.
And cellphones, oh yes, now when you're telling me, I remember a movie with de Niro, he threw a cellphone out from the car while driving to LAX. But Al Pacino shot him in the end anyway.
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re Joni Mitchells influence on Steely, I'm pretty sure, and I have said it before, I believe Jonis ”slash-chords” (C/F) inspired Becker/Fagen a lot. Listen to ”A Car on the Hill”.
Especially the part ”...he makes friends easy, he's not my kind...”.
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Anon - Aids? Oh no, I am pretty careful these days, don't want to have that shit again.
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Been listening to ”West of Hollywood” a lot lately, maybe I am imagine this, but isn't it someone saying something at the end of the sax-solo, probably Potter? Listen closely in headphones.
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SteveeDan - a tip - at the refrain turnaround in Black Friday, don't play ANYHING else but this:
A - G - F# - G - F#m/D# - A6/D - Bm7/E... and then back to the versegroove.
C
Just finished chatting on my favorite streetrod site and guess
what? Nobody called anyone else a fuck. Nobody said "Your
mother is a *****". Nobody tried to outwit or belittle anyone
else. Nobody called anyones belief system into question.
All we did was talk about cars and hotrods and streetrods and
everyone was real nice and very supportive of each other's
projects. Everyone said "Wow! your car is really cool" and
helped each other out with whatever problem that they were
having. I left feeling really good. Funny how those people
whome some of you would consider to be nothing but greasemonkeys
can actually turn out to be some very decent, sophisticated
people when you get to know them. It is my sincere hope that
some of you might eventually turn out to be like some of them.
You may eventually find that being "hip" does'nt necessarily
equate to being mean.
Btw, George Carlin mentioned people who listen to Steely Dan tonight in his "Complaints and Grievances". It was in conjunction with a few other things that people are or do and why he thought they shouldn't be allowed to vote or live or blundged with hammers or such. But I thought I'd mention something SD "relevant" for a change.
Well, we all are varying kinds of weird, and prone to occasional fits of idiocy. So...
Yeah weirdos or idiots.
Molly -- Welcome! Don't let the weirdos or idiots get to you, we all came here because we like the Dan. Come back.
Darwin indeed.It is true that reports and confirmed cases of abuse have gone up, but this is because we are all more educated and less likely to turn our heads instead of making a phone call to the authorities, hence increased reports and confirmed cases while actual abuse is going down.
Saw a bumper sticker today that said:
Mean people produce little mean people.Oleander -- jam jar trucked. Don't they have beef sausages? Try the veggie sausages their Kosher for everyone!(unless you're allergic to soy)...
Dragon
Molly: I prefer to do something promiscuous while listening to Steely Dan...MC: Snap some pics for me. Cloudy here in Texas...
I have to say that I love this Steely Dan website lots!! It's great listening to them while doing something productive. :-)
Hmmm... I've been reading the posts on this GB today and, outside of a few of the regulars, this sounds suspiciously like one of the mental hospitals I used to work at before the Raelians suspended my license.
Could it be that someone brought a tape recorder in the ward one day and is now using the tape to blackmail me?
That seems highly unlikely considering I haven't been contacted yet and told where to bring the deludin or money.
Well, I guess all I can do is wait to be contacted...*
*This text copyrighted by OHrus Inc.
apricot = plantain
Dress size please. Just for a match ya know. I mean writing that shit isnt enough -- nor even believing it. You gotta have some goods, like be really really pretty and hot etc before it will get real attention and make a dent... else you seem -- and for those in the know seems is is -- strident and reactionary. For example I myself am all that and the finest apricot at the farmer's market that never makes it to the grocer's AND three very kool muscat raisins to boot -- therefore (is what I mean here to say) I make a crater -- with my balls, silly.
info on tonight/tomorrow morning's Leonid Meteor Shower:http://www.nasa.gov/today/
and if you're interested in trying to take a few photos, check this:
http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/leonids/phototips.html
Enjoy,
MC
Million Sow MarchThe dumbing down of America continues unabated. Intelligence, snobbery and elitism go hand in hand.
Display a vocabulary larger than that of a 5-year-old, and you're part of the right-wing conspiracy to keep poor people living in abject poverty with nary an Advanced Placement class to their neighborhood school's name.Let it slip that you know what aleph-null and Schroedinger's Cat are, and you might as well claim that you eat fried baby balls smothered in gravy as snacks.
Complain bitterly that academic standards are rapidly declining, and you're told that you're not thinking about the tortured feelings of the learning disabled and developmentally challenged.
Argue with a friend that Darwinism was afoot when a 15-year-old played Russian Roulette without checking the chamber because he was "like, totally sure" it was empty, and you're handed a flyer to the Million Mom March.
But before you scurry to your computer to check out the Million Mom March's mission statement, you flip on the TV and check out the pop culture phenomenon "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire." You know, to feel smug and superior.
Last night, I watched that show for the first time. I'd like to say it was also the last time, but much like the smashed mini-van I passed on the Turnpike last night, I have to look.
Why did I watch the show? I read that feminists were aghast that the show predominately featured white males. In fact, the appearance of a black man warranted a few paragraphs from the Associated Press.
Stop the presses! Congress is mulling over a bill that could silence discussion on illegal drugs, but shit, that Millionaire show finally showed some diversity. Which one should get play, Frankie?
The show originally used a blind method of selecting contestants. Whoever could answer questions over the phone the quickest could win a spot on the show. There was no way of knowing if contestants were black, white, male, female, or a double amputee.
If women and minorities were being excluded, it stood to reason that the questions were fairly difficult, ala "Win Ben Stein's Money." After all, it's generally accepted that women and minorities are dumb as dirt, and need all of the assistance the government and ABC can provide them.
So, I was curious.
I only caught one contestant, but that was more than enough.
The second multiple choice (MULTIPLE CHOICE!) question asked of a 21-year-old, newly-married father of one was, "What are the polluting particles after a nuclear explosion called?"
The choices:
Snow
Dandruff
Fallout
Purple HazeThe guy used a lifeline. He honestly didn't know what the answer was. Now, even if one had never heard of "fallout," wouldn't the process of elimination lead one directly to it?
The third question was even more puzzling. (And I'm quoting from memory.)
Who is tennis player Martina Hingis named for?
Martina Navratilova
Betty Friedan
Jenna Jameson
Bessie SmithHe used another lifeline. I swear.
And just this morning, I read that a former contestant who won a paltry $1000 is suing ABC for $2 million to cover "damages" and "emotional distress." He answered a question about the Zodiac incorrectly, and he claims that an audible gasp from the audience made him doubt his answer.
As he left the stage, he said, "You know, you just robbed me of $31,000. True, it's $31,000 that wasn't technically mine in the first place, and I should consider myself lucky that America has game shows and lotteries to give hope to the proletariat, but this is also the wonderful land where I can sue at the drop of a hat because loser doesn't have to pay."
This is our future. Be warned. Be afraid. Come with me to my underground bunker in the Adirondacks.
But this dumbing down of Americans is not limited to game shows or academic standards. It extends to simple personal responsibility. Rather than take control for one's actions or the actions of one's children, it is far more convenient to place the blame on strangers.
Whenever a Bad Thing (tm) happens, mothers are turned into crusaders. They want to make sense of the death of their loved ones, or the deaths of those who fit the demographics of their loved ones. Life is chaotic, but they crave a sense of order and a feeling of womb-like safety.
Megan's Law stemmed from an irrational fear of rampant child molesters brought on by the rape and murder of a neglected 7-year-old girl. Never mind that 80 percent of children are sexually abused by a family member or friend of the family.
From the Parents For Megan's Law Web site, "Thanks to the efforts of Maureen Kanka and other advocates and lawmakers our community had the 'right' to access and be informed about known predatory sex offenders under Megan’s Law. . . . I believe that we have become so desensitized to the words 'sexual abuse' that we are forgetting that sexual abuse means what we have read above, that children are really being sexually tormented, really being tied up, really being raped and really being sodomized."
Prey on fears. Fears of the molester under the bed, waiting to claim one's beautiful, perfect child as his next victim.
In 1996, a federal building was bombed in Oklahoma City. 168 people were killed, and don't forget, 19 of those people were children being cared for in a daycare center.
How could we forget? Across the country, there are memorials erected to the dead children, but few are dedicated to the adults. And though the bombing was a rare incident, it wasn't long before mothers were up in arms over something.
The photo of a fireman carrying Aren Almon-Kok's dead 1-year-old child Baylee from the wreckage of the building is the image many of us recall first.
"I wanted to transfer that image from an image of terror to an image of safety," Almon-Kok told a House subcommittee. "I didn't mind using that image if it could save peoples' lives."
Now a spokeswoman for the Protecting People First Foundation (oh, how fucking perfect), she is supporting legislation aimed at protecting people from one of a bombing's deadliest hazards -- flying shards of glass.
In response to the bombing, President Clinton ordered shattered-resistant windows or protective laminate installed in the windows of daycare centers at federal buildings with a higher risk of attack.
About 25 percent of the day-care centers housed in federal buildings now have protective laminate, said Eric Cote, an official with the foundation, which is funded by the glass laminate industry.
Prey on fears. Fear of mad bombers itching to blow up federal daycare centers.
In the 1980s, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers was formed. Drunks, it seemed, were behind the wheel of every other car, waiting to cross the solid yellow lines and hit a strategically-placed group of fun-loving teens head-on.
It was a great cause. Who could rally against those faceless drunks stalking our highways?
Well . . . a little problem with that reasoning recently popped up.
When it comes to drunken-driving crashes, the stranger weaving down the highway is not the biggest threat to child passengers -- their own driver is, U.S. government research suggests.
Most children younger than 15 who were killed in such crashes were riding unrestrained in a car with someone old enough to be a parent or caregiver, according to a recent study.
Their analysis of U.S. motor vehicle accidents that killed child passengers from 1985-1996 found that 5,555 deaths involved a drunken driver. Of those, 64 per cent -- 3,556 -- happened while the child's own driver was intoxicated. Sixty-seven per cent of the drivers were old enough to be a parent or caregiver -- not an underage drunken driver.
Prey on fears. Fear of crazed drunks driving with ill-will in their hearts and a bottle of Cuervo in their left hands.
Which takes me back to the flyer for the Million Mom March.
America's moms are angry.
No shit. Go to any mall and see the twisted, pissed off faces of America's moms, pushing their Uberstrollers through the crowds -- breaking toes and taking names.
What they're angry about now is gun control.
First, let me qualify the defintion of "angry American mom" as "white, middle-class mother with too much free time between Tragedeigh's ballet class and Mistaké's capoiera lesson."
Those stomping their feet for change are those who rarely experience the cruelties of life. Their children aren't abandoned glue-sniffing cretins. Their children aren't forcibly recruited into government resistance groups. Their children don't run the risk of cholera. Their children don't have horribly distended stomachs. Their children don't live in run-down housing projects. Their children don't attend overcrowded schools with "teachers" who are really, really close -- really, I swear -- to getting their teaching credentials.
Their children are well-fed and well-educated. Their children live in nicely maintained cul-de-sacs. Their children wear nice clothing and shoes. Their children have health insurance. Their children can choose to join government resistance groups.
The only thing their children lack is the attention of their parents. The only time their parents give them a glance is when a school or daycare center shooting occurs. They hug their children, and think, "Wow, my genes were almost stopped by a bullet."
Then they call their local Congresswoman (or Congressman, if he's been sufficiently pussywhipped), and plan a march. Much like the march scheduled for May 13.
Tens of thousands of mothers are expected to gather on the National Mall Sunday for the Million Mom March, an event being billed as the largest gun control rally ever.
Those who can't attend are encouraged to tie up traffic on local highways by driving their Ford Explorers and Excursions at a slow, steady speed in the left lane with their right turn signal hypnotically blinking the Morse code message, "Gabba, gabba, hey, we accept you."
Their message to federal and state lawmakers: "Enact common-sense gun control legislation" and reduce the number of children dying from gun-related violence everyday.
"We shouldn't have to worry about sending our children to nursery school," said march founder Donna Dees-Thomases, a suburban New Jersey mother who was galvanized by the shootings at Grenada Day Care Center in California last summer.
And Mama Donna shouldn't worry about sending her children to nursery school. Such shootings are well-publicized but incredibly rare.
Oh, wait, perhaps she should, as daycare workers barely scrape by on minimum wage. Children are a precious resource and the future asswipers of America, unless one has to actually pay a living wage to those who care for their snoogum-boogums.
The march's organizers see gun control emerging as a key election year issue, one that could be -- for women of this decade -- what equal rights was for women in the 1970s or abortion rights in the 1980s. As a woman, I appreciate being told what my causes are.
A recent CBS News poll found 73 percent of women supported stricter regulations of handguns, compared to 56 percent of men who favored more gun control.
March organizers are quick to point to their own statistics, specifically one that found on average that 12 children die from gun violence in the United States every day.
Prey on fears. Fears of bloodied, maimed children littering the hallways of suburban high schools.
Pity the 12 children die a day statistic is as exaggerated as the ballyhooed statistic of domestic violence crusaders who claimed spousal abuse increased on Super Bowl Sunday.
The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and the National Safety Council (NSC) said that 181 children 0-14 years of age were victims of fatal gun accidents in 1995.
Gun control activists inflate their statistics by claiming "children" as those up to the age of 19, and occasionally, also put the ceiling at age 24.
When the word "children" is bandied about, it conjures up images of tow-headed, giggling, bike-riding 7 year olds. When it's claimed that "children" are being routinely killed by guns, it conjures up images of tow-headed, giggling, bike-riding 7 year olds finding daddy's gun and pointing it at his playmate.
Rarely does one envision the 16-year-old Latin King trying to get props from his gang by killing a rival gang member with a stolen or illegaly purchased gun. (Because, let's face it, 16-year-old, baby-faced Latin Kings aren't strolling into Wal-Mart with fake IDs in order to purchase weapons.)
Gun control activists want to pull on America's heartstrings by playing on their superficial love of children, and using cutiepatootie kiddies as their shields, it works. And by twisting statistics, they get the government's attention.
Those most likely to experience gun violence are not related to the women who will likely participate in the Million Mom March. According to the Department of Justice, the likelihood of a student bringing a gun to school or knowing a student who brought a gun to school is directly related to the race of the student (hint: not white), where the student lives (hint: not the suburbs), and the level of gang activity at the school (hint: drama club doesn't count).
So, when these mothers use Columbine as an example of what's wrong with America, they're overlooking the fact that their children have a greater chance of never taking an anti-depressant than taking a headshot. And the guns that are used in criminal acts are generally not store bought. Increased gun legislation won't stop the black market and street corner sales of weapons.
But what's a little logic when we can save one life?
From the horse's mouth:
MILLION MOM MARCH MOTHERS' DAY 2000 is dedicated to the mission of educating our children and our country about the life-threatening danger of guns. Although simplistic and seemingly self-evident, this mission is in direct conflict with a powerful, heavily financed cultural and political juggernaut, which justifies misuse of guns with references to freedom, liberty and the American Dream.
We, the mothers, know that life is the first inalienable right promised by our Constitution. Our children's lives far outweigh the right for just anyone, especially juveniles, to carry a semi-automatic assault weapon or Saturday night Special.
Freedom? Feh, who needs it?
What these mothers continue to overlook is that "our" children are not in grave danger from juveniles carrying semi-automatic assault weapons. They're in grave danger from their own parents, but who the fuck is going to march on Washington to save children from the people who gave them life?
Florida State University criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck suggests that some fatal gun accidents may actually be the culmination of a history of child abuse, in other words intentional homicides. Dr. Kleck cites a national survey conducted in 1976 (Strauss, M., et. al., Behind Closed Doors: Violence in the American Family, Garden City, NY: Anchor Press, 1981), which found "3% of children had, in the previous year, had guns or knives (the two are combined in the source) actually used on them by their parents, according to the parents' own admissions. Since this translates into about 46,000 such incidents per year, it would not be surprising if a few dozen resulted in a gun death falsely reported as accidental."(Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, p 209. Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)
Perhaps a few thousand children die and are injured each year by gun violence, but an estimated 3,154,000 children were reported to child protective service agencies as alleged victims of child abuse or neglect in 1998, and approximately one million of these reports were confirmed. Approximately three children died each day in the United States from abuse or neglect in 1997.
While the nation’s overall crime rate fell 22 percent from 1993 to 1997, reports of child abuse and neglect grew by 8 percent and confirmed cases increased 4 percent.
During the period 1993-1997, Prevent Child Abuse America estimates that over 5,000 children died from abuse or neglect in the United States. Forty-five out of 1,000 children were reported as abused or neglected and 14 children out of 1,000 were confirmed as abused or neglected in 1998. Fifty-one percent of the reported cases in 1998 involved neglect, while 25 percent involved physical abuse, 10 percent involved sexual abuse, 3 percent involved emotional abuse and 11 percent were related to other forms of child maltreatment.
Children are more likely to be injured or killed by their parents. Not by the needle-dick sex offender who didn't get sufficient treatment. Not by flying shards of glass. Not by the lunatic zipping along with a BAC three times the legal limit. Not by Dylan or Dillon or Dilon or Dyylaan and his semi-automatic weapon.
These mothers crusading for safety for their children, and less freedom for the rest of us, aren't addressing the real problem.
But, hey, if it saves just one kid, who cares?
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Your logic is flawed on clas,as he has been here forever and will always be what he is and with time he will prove it you newbees
Dragon- I've visited that OH website also. We actually got the pup from one of the authors of the only book ever written on the OH mentioned on the site. The pup's dad (Jake the Jerk) is owned by her and is winning awards at Dog Shows all over the place. He even won Best In Show at a recent one, which is very rare and will do wonders for the egos of OH owners everywhere, although cadaver dogs they're not (as we found out on Sept.11 and last Monday also).Although the pup has yet to turn a profit for me (and is eating me out of house and deludin), the OH with a starring role in the revival of "Mr. Deeds" is sure to turn things around.The pup recently celebrated his first birthday and received bithday greetingas from OH owners all over the globe.
I've decided to copyright my contributions to this GB, on learning that the lyrics I invented for the Harry Belafonte song "Daylight Come and Me Want to go Home"(or whatever the name of it is), was stolen by someone on the 'Net (according to one of z's students)and used in a comedy site that features Colin Powell dressed up in a dashiki and with dredlocks, singing my lyrics- "Hey Mr. Taliban give us that Osama,
Daylight come and me want to go home."etc...
Someday the whole world (and not just the anonymouse posters on this website) will appreciate my creative genius, until then, they'll just have to pay me for it.*
Monomaniacally Yours,
Doctor Warren K.*Text property of OHRUS Inc.
Benefit: dont fall into the trap! it's just a waste of time anyway
Benefit of a doubt = Dragon
Bill- As fucked up as ths place can get...it's still a lot better off without you.
Yep... HATE appears to be something you're pretty good at...
maybe the only thing. Why not follow up this post and get the
last word on the subject?
Wormy, Tend to agree with your "two camps of dan fans" theory.
there is a sometimes a tendency of people leaning toward the driving guitar tunes as opposed to things post scam...i love it all!
Regarding Clas, I said I would not post again until he returns. But I've decided to post to make clear that I will give Clas the benefit of the doubt and I will let bygones be bygones if he returns here and participates in a civil manner. If he starts attacking and generally being not a nice person, I will point it out. I hope that does not become necessary.
Correct, Boobie! Finally a right answer. This place IS beginning to mirror real life - now people in cyberspace are feeling the same disdain as your "real life" amigos. Folks like your blow up doll, Mum and your mangy ass dog. We all hate you, Billy!
Oh well, I guess this GB is back to being it's regular self
again... a depressingly nasty mess. Anons who won't show up
as their real selves because they have'nt got a f'kn spine,
yet who attack anyone who attempts make a point counter to
thier own. What are you anons? A bunch of useless f'kn lawyers?
Talk about hating people...You hate everybody! You've attacked
everybody at one time or another...even the guy who runs the
place fer Chrissakes! Your not even truthful to each other...
You guys email and chat with each other just so you can pick
up enough information to talk behind the other persons back.
This shit is startin' to resemble real life for cryin' out
loud...GROW UP!
Bill (posting as myself as usual SO BITE ME!)
Shhhhhhhhh. Big Bad Boobie is going to come back and we'll be in trouble! I bet he will threaten to beat us caveman style for daring to speak out against his lofty* ideas.*where lofty is a euphemism for shithead
St. Al- I was wondering, if you ever get that IP blocking thing going could the first person you try it out on be NY Bill? I'm really starting to hate this guy.
Amy - this NYBill guy is a waste. His anon posts aren't anonymous at all - due to his lack of ability to write a sentence that doesn't
get "returned" every
4 inches. Clue, anyone?And he's boring as hell.
Whether or not he's truly gone, we have another clASS!
Hope they both go
Can someone please give NY**** a job or something, to prevent his constant assault on this Guestbook? His posts are but one example of the ole "idle minds being the workplace of evil" thing.Anyone need a septic tank sucked out? Perhaps the crotch of your boxers de-linted? For these and other difficult to fill positions call 1-900-BIG-BOOB and ask for King Boobie.
I have a manager, he want's us to tour
ain't gonna do it, no road connoisseur
a stinking hotel, I climb up the walls
off to reclusion, take all my callsthey say I'm crazy but it just isn't me
my foot is down, or it's my sanity
Life's been good to me so faroff in the studio, take 185
thank God we didn't have to pull it off live
10 years in LA, the home of the flick
I never liked it, cultural plasticWe're making records, don't ask for the next
lock the studio doors in case of execs
So we got us a contract, an MCA hoax
can't crash the party, don't dig corporate folkslucky that we're sane after all the mayhem
grammies for the mantle, nod to Eminem
Life's been good to us so farI avoid parties, the con and the sauce
not hip to tabloid, much rather floss
It's tough to handle this fortune and fame
not another reporter, this press flesh is lamethey say I'm scorn king but I have a good time
Everybody says Oh yeah (oh Yeah)
guilty your honor of seedy art crimes
life's been good to me so farrun off to Hawaii, what a fine place
it beats LA, constant rat race
so I got me some tunes, leftover 80's
shelved up, pen new stuff, the latest teasethey said we're washed up
and we had to agree
(everybody said agree, agree)
the old dogs have new tricks
under the Banyan trees
life's been good to me so fargimt
steveedan - thanks for sharing the metheny moment!this is a simplistic generalizaton
are there really two camps of dan fans?
not to say they don't like it all
but those who gravitate more to the driving guitar historonics
and those who prefer the pastoral spaciosness?just a thought
Hey Y'all,Jury Duty...another ironic subject which bears mentioning around
here just for the sake of being ironic. I've been called up for
jury duty several times and i've never reported for it. There's
a reason why which I feel urged to offer at this time...One night about 5 or 6 years ago I decided to go to the grocery
store in the next town, it was about 5 minutes from my house...
not far. Anyway, I get to the grocery store and the lot is
nearly empty except for this one other car which had some loud
rap music playing and a young girl inside bouncing around inside
like a bumble bee trapped in a jar. I tried to ignore it and
headed for a parking space. Well, this obviously coked-up kid
decided to fuck with me and head for the same space. Mind you
that there are hundreds of spaces availiable for parking. She's
picking my space because she wants to start an altercation see..
Anyway, she looks right at me I walk over to the car and offer
my less than freindly advise how to behave yourself in a
civilized sociey... She just sits there with this "what're you
gonna do about it?" look on her face... Actually, there was
nothing I could do about it other than walk away because if I
had done something about it I'm sure that I, and not her, would
have been taken away in cuffs, so I decided to forget about it
and just go in the store and get what I came for and leave.
My older brother was with me at the time. We basically laughed
about it and went into the store.We finished shopping, got in the car and left. Well, as I'm
driving home I notice that I'm being followed. I know I'm being
followed because it was late, no cars were on the road, and
the car behind me is making all the same turns that I'm making.
I decided to make a few random turns just to be sure.. Just as
I thought, the car behind me was making the same turns so I
pulled over. The other car pulled over about 50 feet back.
Out steps a scrawny kid of about 20 years old with a gun in his
hand. I could see that he had a gun in his hand because he was
under a streelight and walking towards me with his arm raised.
The local police precinct was about a mile away so I got back in
the car and headed for it. The kid jumped back in his car and
fired a shot which missed. After a rather exhillarating car
chase seen, we arrived at the police precinct. The kid peeled
off when he realized where we were headed. We reported it, gave
the plate number and description of the car to the cops and left. After I got home the police called me and said that they
had arrested the kid and would I come down and Identify him.
I said sure I'll be right down. My brother and I went there,
identified the kid and left.Let me make a long story short (because it could be much longer)
The kid was charged with Menacing (whatever that is..). By the
time that our illustrious County District Attorneys office got
done with the case, the kid walked away on a Disorderly Conduct
charge and a very small fine! I WAS PISSED! This kid had
attempted to shoot someone! He would have committed a murder if
the circumstances would have allowed it. The Nassau County
District Attorney's office had two eyewitnesses to the crime
but they decided to let this scumbag cop a plea to a much lesser
charge and walk. What a fuckin' miscarriage of justice!I confronted the Assistant District Attorney who handled the
case about it... After asking all the pertinent questions
like "What the fuck is wrong with you assholes down here?"
and "Do you have one fuckin' brain amongst the whole bunch of
you?", It was explained to me that because of limited resources
the county can only afford to prosecute approximately
TWO PERCENT OF ALL THE CASES THAT ARE FILED WITH THE COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE! Therefore they had no choice but to
let this defendant and approximately 98 percent of all
defendants, plea-bargain to a much lesser charge in the interest
of expediency, and of course, JUSTICE.Well, needless to say, I lost all faith in the justice system
at that point and I swore that if ever called to take part in
it that I would reject their request out of hand.Pat, you are quite correct to avoid jury duty. The system is
a total joke.Bill
Bill and Angel, great seeing you guys in chat! Falling out of that loop here unfortunately, free time is scarce and guarded preciously these days.
Floridave: I missed you by a hair last night. You poofed as I popped, damn, sorry to not have gotten a chance to at least say "hi".
Wormy, you are unreproachable in your conduct here, Joe Blow anon has issues. Keep those lists flowing!
Clas, welcome back, might you be a close relative of Michael Jordan's by any chance?
Rude waitress due in town tomorrow, chat will be most lively I wager. Let's gather at Cheers where everybody knows our name, drinks are on me!
My teenage daughter listening to SD now, I am in shock.
Think my Glenn Miller CDs are safe for the moment....
Steevedan: Great story! Thanks for sharing.Dean Wurmer: We're all set to set New York City on fiah. Can't wait bro.
Aus
Steveedan:
Aphrodite's Child
Thats not the same band started by Vangelis & Demis Rousoss in the 60's is it...
or am I on the wrong track again
db
It's been a Freaky Friday around these here parts ...Howard - here is a Joni Mitchell quote you might find interesting, ... In my last post I mentioned Jaco/Weather Report/Joni Mitchell's Mingus Tour at the 1980 Berkeley Jazz Festival.
When I was in school there, I worked on the Jazz Festivals for 2 years. It was fun but exhausting work. 15+ hour days leading up to the festival followed by 20 hour days during the festival. The night before the final day of the Jazz Festival the "Super Band" was rehearsing the Mingus tunes with Joni Mitchell. It was Herbie Hancock, Jaco Pastorius, Tony Williams, Don Alias and Pat Metheny.
I was standing off to the side of the stage watching these giants of music rehearse. On the intro section of "God Must Be A Boogey Man" there is this challenging assending bass line, which Jaco kept flubbing, and they had to keep repeating it. (Too many Heinekins and blow for the late JP.)
Pat Metheny had taken a rest from the rest of the band was was standing next to me in the wings. Pat turns to me and says: "Do you know what it's like to be this close to your idol?"
I look over at the band and I see one of my idols, Herbie Hancock, and of course there is one of the best drummers, percussionists, and JONI !!! over there. So I turned to Pat and I asked him: "Which one?"
Can you guess whom he was referring to? ...
Pat said, in an excited voice, like any of the rest of us music fans would use if in the same close proximity: "Joni Mitchell!"
The next day, Jaco ripped the cover off his bass while he was playing flawlessly, and on fire, both with Weather Report, and with Joni, and at the end of her performance, Joni came out by herself with her acoustic guitar and sang "Woodstock".
The entire audience was transfixed. That was an awesome day.
Steveedan
The noble thing to do, ya slob, is give up the house.
Dragon my dear. Easy to take a such a noble position. However, civic duty doesn't pay my house payment, which is what I'd be giving up for 2 weeks of jury duty.
Now how now?
chere -- So Sorry to hear about your allergic reaction. I didn't realize things were that bad from you're email. Feel better babe.Dano -- will email you soon. Jam jar troubles meself.
StAl -- regarding jury duty, in more and more states it doesn't even matter if you don't vote if you drive you are on the lists. Besides who do you want on a jury if (Fate forbid) somebody screws up and you wind up on trial for something, dumbs**t or someone like you (your actual peers)? Take pride in your civic duty.
Clas! -- of course we have cell phones over here, Nokias and Erikksons among the largest manufactuars (sp?).
Daisy -- Welcome! Mine is probably Aja although sometimes it varies by mood.
Clas BASHERS -- Clas may or may not be back for good and he has done nothing wrong this time around and yet all you are doing is spreading hate.
Love is a Fist -- Domestic abuse comes in more than one form, there is physical, verbal and sexual and one could argue more. It is not gender specific. Men are victims too, but do not speak out as often for fear of stigma and when they do sometimes they are not believed.
A lot of women may not know what they want (but a lot of men don't either), but none of them deserve a fist. And maybe all middle school or junior high school student should take a life lessons course that teaches them how to balance a check book, what sort of responsibility is involved in taking care of an infant, and so forth. Then maybe more men and women will know what they want. Child abuse is on the decline (don't be fooled in to thinking it's not so because you are more aware of it, it's because of the awareness and education that it is on the decline). Maybe so is domestic abuse or maybe it will be. But people like you who say women don't know what they want just because too many of them are confused by society's messages, are a hinderance to the gender and society itself.Dragon
Aye Whutzupp!Fuhgeddabowit! Duh bichiz haz ben mannipalatin' me fer menny
yearze! Itz abowte tyme dat guyz lyke mee tooke ova duh woild
agen! Fukk awl diss cibilizashin! Mee Taryzan U Jayne!
Gyve Unkle Sammy uh hye-5 an letz buzte sum azz!Dey gat duh gunz butt wee gat duh numbiz
gunna wyne yeah weare taykin' ova... C'mawn!Sammy
MC: I too am hoping to catch some of the meteor shower. 2AM though, sheesh!I got to view some of the planets last night through one of the neatest telescopes I ever saw. It was computer controled. You tell it to go to Saturn and it does. Neptune and it goes about 180 degrees the other way and shows you that planet. It even tells you the qualities of the planet you are looking at and why it is colored the way it is. Very cool. Wish we could afford a toy like that.
Good evening all....
Aye whutduhfuk! You iz ryte abowte deze chiks brudda! Eye meen
looke whut happind 2 mee wit dat Amee Fisha bitchh! Eye gat
fukked! Eye go en giv huh duh bess tree munts uh mye lyfe an
whut duz duh trampe doo? Shootz mye ol' ladyee in duh hed datz
whut! An eveebuddy blamte mee fer it! Nowe eye cante get noe
jahb in Holliwood now! Y'see dat?U an mee iz seein' diss ting eye 2 eye...Wee iz wun ov a kynde!!
Ryte Awn!
Love is a Fist
The way to a woman's heart is through her broken ribs.Forget roses. Forget expensive boxes of candy. Forget moonlit walks along the beach. Forget every piece of advice you've heard on The View.
If you want to impress a woman, think black eyes, fat lips, broken noses, and romantic evenings in the emergency room. On the way to the hospital, open the lines of communication by deciding if the little lady should claim that she fell down the stairs or off of her bike.
Don't listen to women who say they crave caring, touchy-feely men. Women only want a sensitive man until a real man walks through the door. As long as men cater to the whims and destructive nature of women, men will continue to bury their rage and become the sissy-boys women don't really want.
When my great-grandfather stepped off of the boat from Spain, he met a redheaded slut who was 17 years his junior. He married her, and she ruled the roost until his death at age 94. Once, she poured hot coffee on him when he overheard her telephone conversation with her taxi-driver lover. She had no respect for him because he let her dominate him.
At my great-grandfather's funeral, my great-grandmother's brother muttered to the corpse, "I told you that you should have smothered her with a pillow." And he should have. The family would have helped hide the body.
But I have no sympathy for my great-grandfather. He had the opportunity to put an end to his abuse. Had he popped her once -- broken a few of her bones or drawn some blood -- or shoved his throbbing chorizo down her dirty Italian throat, she would have become the subservient cocksocket she was destined to be.
His abuse continued unabated because women, as much as they claim that they want a sensitive man, have no respect for men who treat them like delicate princesses. As soon as a man shows a little sensitivity, his girlfriend or wife is getting pearl necklaces from his best friend.
And if Mr. Nice Guy reaches his breaking point after walking in on his girlfriend getting nailed by a UPS driver, his ass will be in jail before the cum-stained sheets dry. Tenderizing the cunt's face might be right, but it's not legal.
Women are confused. They don't want sensitive men because they're too weak, but when men overpower them, they run to the police because they know that their power lies in manipulation. They're only independent, strong crusaders until the fist hits the face. It would be almost admirable if they were consciously playing both sides of the fence, but they lack the intelligence to do so.
Statistics show that women are just as likely to be the instigators of domestic violence as men, and if they don't directly cause the abuse session, they indirectly cause it by pushing buttons.
Women aren't timid, peace-loving creatures. In a female-dominated world, violence wouldn't be eradicated. Studies estimate the rate of domestic violence among lesbians is comparable to the rate of domestic violence among heterosexuals, showing that the warm embrace of a woman is often preceded by a right hook.
Women have become the sexually abused children of the '90s. No one doubted the "precious, innocent" children in the myriad sex abuse cases that rocked the '80s. Now, no one doubts women. If she says it was abuse, it was abuse. If she neglects to mention that she destroyed her boyfriend's vast pornography collection and tithed ten percent of his income to the Church, so much the better for the women's movement.
Women like a good fight but only on their conditions, and those conditions are rarely expressed to their partners. Emotions eventually take over. The novelty of a tough boyfriend wears off. She either expects him to change his ways - her ultimate goal, even though the reformed abuser will bore her to tears -- or he will pay the price. A whipped man is a man who garners no respect from his woman, but an aggressive man is a man who will awaken to find his bed engulfed in flames.
Men can't win. Here's a tube of AstroGlide. Use it, and save yourself the hassle of a relationship.
But men get off easy. They can go home at the end of the day, forget that real-life women exist, and jerk off into a sock to thoughts of acquiescent whores. I'm a woman, and the hypocrisy displayed by women affects my standing in the world. I can't avoid them. I can't ignore them.
While this attitude can be tolerated in the bedroom and home -- how Kristy treats her husband has little bearing on my life -- its spread to the real world marks trouble for the rare woman with a brain and a touch of sanity. (And perhaps, too much testosterone.)
If Kristy spends her evenings ridiculing her boyfriend's sexual prowess, boohoo for the emasculated shit, but unless his repressed anger manifests itself in a lunchtime shooting at the local Taco Bell, it won't affect me. When Kristy spends her evenings devising how she can force her company's insurance policy to cover costly infertility treatments, it doesn't bode well for women who just want a paycheck and not a company-sponsored designer baby.
Even Lifetime, the television station that bills itself as for women , frequently shows movies about insane, irrational women. Women who steal babies. Women who kill pregnant women, rip out their babies, and claim the infants as their own. Women who stalk their ex-husbands. Women who kill their ex-husbands and their ex-husbands' new wives. Women who can't have babies, go nuts and shoot elementary school students. Women who are depressed. Women who are depressed and suicidal. Women who are victims.
And that's the crux of the women's movement -- women are victims. They need help to become strong, and if they're not strong enough, they need protection.
Women claim that they want equality, but they still want to be coddled. They pout and stomp their feet when their boyfriends take too long to buy a $5000 diamong ring, but they cry out that they "don't need no man" when their boyfriends refuse to deal with an unexpected pregnancy.
Is it any wonder that men don't know what the fuck women are about?
Contrary to what directors of women's studies programs would have us believe, women are not tools of the patriarchy. Women are the patriarchy.
Women are their own worst enemy. They place themselves in positions where they need an authorative figure to rule them. Their inherent nature makes the patriarchy necessary. They want to join the Army. But they don't want to be in combat. They want to join the police force. But they don't want to meet the same standards as men. They want to go to college. But they don't want it to be too hard.
College standards have decreased over the years. At some institutions, a score of 82 is considered an "A-." This coincides with women becoming the majority on college campuses. Coursework is dumbed down because administrators reason that women are too weak and inferior to grasp difficult material, and college women lap it up.
Women have the benefit of attending college, but they also have the benefit of still being looked at as damsels in distress who need a little extra help.
I was not refused a tubal ligation because the male doctor was a misogynist, although no one could fault him for being one. I was refused a tubal ligation because he had dealt with so many spineless, overemotional women, it was natural for him to assume that I was no different than the rest of my gender.
Feminism now equates womanhood with motherhood. "Women's issues" revolve around extended maternity leave and lactation rooms, expanded date rape laws and increased funding for abused women shelters. It's not about women demonstrating that their skills and talent rival those of men. It's about milking their victim status, while simultaneously claiming to be equals.
Even feminists accept that there are differences between the genders. I recently received a poem from a woman who refuses to call herself a feminist because "women's struggle for equality is a joke, what they don't realize is that they don't need to be equal cuz they're already more evolved."
And why does she allege that women are more evolved? According to the poem she sent:
our two governing hormones could not be more different
one feels, empathizes, cares, preserves
the other ravages, wounds, takes, destroys
how then did the latter succeed the former?
who decided that life is but sex, power and pain?
women didn't
but were imposed upon because they are physically weaker
thus i go along and live a life that is not mine
and pretend to be equal in this deceitful matrix of freedomFeel. Nurture. Empathize. Care. Preserve.
Yet, the majority of children are abused and killed by their mothers.
The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, a feminist will proudly proclaim. And it's true. Men rarely become serial killers because their fathers abandoned them or beat them senseless. They usually become serial killers because Mommy dressed them as girls or made them lie in their urine-soaked sheets for hours as punishment.
An absent or abusive father might cause a man to become a thief or a one-off murderer, but it takes a mommy to make a man twisted.
And when her golden son is accused of rape, will Mommy be there to defend him? If he attends Columbia University in New York City, it's doubtful.
Columbia's new policy on sex crimes is the product of a long campaign by campus activists determined to abolish procedures they considered a hindrance to the punishment of sexual assault, sexual harassment, date rape and other sexual offenses. Under the old rules, an accused person had the right to confront his or her accuser, the right to confront or examine a witness and the right to have an attorney present during university proceedings.
Columbia's new policy does not grant accused students, faculty or staff the right to be present when accusers or witnesses testify. Accused individuals are no longer guaranteed the right to cross examine such witnesses, or have an attorney present.
Power through manipulation. "I was raped. ::wink, wink:: And the rape was so traumatic, I can't possibly face the accused or be questioned about the attack. You just have to believe me. I wouldn't lie because lying about rape takes away from women who are really raped."
Women want it all, but they don't want to take responsibility for any of it. They want a career. But it can't be too challenging or harmful to their self-esteem. They want husbands. But they can't be sensitive or abusive. They want to enter institutions that were previously reserved for men. But they want lower standards. They want kids. But they don't want to have to care for them exclusively. They want to have sex. But they want the right to claim it was rape if the guys don't call them in the morning. They want men who will care for their kids. But they won't let the men care for their kids because they don't do it properly, and they reserve the right to bitch that the men don't do anything to help.
Come to think of it, women have no idea what they want.
If you wish to help the woman in your life, knock out her front teeth. She'll thank you after you've served your time.
jjeff....take the binocs with you, you wouldn't want a telescope for a meteor shower anyway....actually, the best thing you can have for a meteor shower are just a good set of dark adapted eyes. Binocs are cool for checking out trails but the EYES have it for sure!ole....see above to jj....no need at all for a scope during the shower, unless he just wants to check out some other stuff. Odds on actually seeing a meteor through a scope are very ,very small. Just bundle up nice and warm and kick back in a lawn chair or on a blanket or in a sleeping bag....warm and comfortable and enjoy the show....it may well be the best light show we ever see in our lifetime!
I'm so stoked for this....got my camera on the tripod, loaded up with ISO 800 film, ready to do some time exposures and hopefully capture the very rare 'meteor storm'!! If you're interested in photos, I suggest a nice wide angle (28mm or 24mm) shooting it wide open f2.8 or whatever the lowest number is. Point it high in the northern sky and open the shutter. Try exposures from about 30 seconds (no star trails, pin point star images) to 20 minutes (decent star trails and better chances of catching a meteor on film).
It's been so dry for so long here on the east coast I just hope we can get one more night of clear skies Saturday night into Sunday morning and then I hope it rains for a week!
try to check in tomorrow afternoon/evening for a final update.
another banner day of posting grinds to a halt...
Favorite Steely Dan song: All Blues
Yeah I never thought Burroughs or Pynchon had anything on me.
even if they also happen to be fuckin' crazy to boot!
Don't let Clas do you anally, he has AIDS.
There was no afterward, you died of AIDS at the scene.
I gave it to your mother to clean up the mess afterward.
It might. Give him back his quarter.
Clas did pay to have a Palestinian towelboy do him anally, but I'm not sure that counts.
But Clas DID pay.
Seventy-three men sailed up from the San Francisco Bay
Rolled off of that ship, and this is what they had to say
We're calling everyone to ride along to another shore
We can laugh our lives away, and be free once moreBut, no one heard them calling, no one came at all
Cause they were too busy watching those old raindrops fall
And as a storm was blowin' out on the peaceful sea
Seventy-three men sailin' off to historyRide Captain ride upon your mystery ship
Be amazed at the friends you have here on your trip
Ride Captain ride upon your mystery ship
On your way to a world that others might have missedBy FAR the best Dan song EVER written!!!
Ride Captain Ride
My favorite Steely Dan song is FM, what's yours?
now now
Tom has contributed nothing but those stupid top ten lists, acts like he's some hot-shot musician but won't put his money where his mouth is (let's hear it, tough guy) and his tastes in music are a direct reflection of the fact that he's got his head up his ass.
Got that la-dee-da thing worked out yet? Sure you do.
shaddup, beeotch!
Got that IP adress blocking thing worked out yet? Why not put
it to immediate use with Clas and Tom over here? This is your
chance to make a stand. Don't let us down ok?
Tom- Why don't you take Clas and your stupid top ten lists and shove them up your ass!
yo tom - if ygk is one of them (or you?!)- welcome back Clas!
When we "make a contribution" Tom? What contribution are you
making besides inviting one of the worlds biggest assholes back
to this forum? The fact that you actually like this guy says
volumes about you my friend. If Clas comes back I can think of
quite a few people who just wont show up here anymore. If it's a
scumbag filled GB you want then that's what you shall have.fuck off!
I mean to say I'll be at the above address for another 4 hours so, otherwise e-mail me at pat@banyantrees.net
la di da
BETA TESTERS NEEDED:I'm looking for a few people to test the new guestbook script I'm working on and provide some feedback. Please e-mail me at the above address if you'd like to help and I'll give you the URL.
I'll be at the above address for another 4 hours or so.
Pat
welcome back Howard and Tones!Heijira is also my fave Joni disc and a constant companion on any road trip. Odd Jaco only plays on a few tunes, but they sure set precedent for all bass players to come.
The Dan admiring Joni? I think they got the idea for bringing in session players with jazz chops from the Lady of the Canyon. Court and Spark precedes Pretzel and Katy
jj- the heads, no can't think of a direct rock star reference off the top of my head. this is a crime against the state...
Daryl Hannah - leave clas alone here
when you actually make a contribution here maybe you can feel justified in dishing himstevieD - Didier - I was impressed and enjoyed talking to him after the show. NIce grapelli tribute disc
the new Gillian Welch disc is great The Revelator
auss - email me with your phone #, I'll be in monday
bergeon@shellus.comtoodles from the topsoil
worm Tom
Steven! How many times (slap) have I told you (slap) not to
play with that dirty (slap) Swedish (slap) Clas boy?
Come home directly!(slap)
Why is it every time Steeeeveedan tries to look cool, he ends up looking like a fool?
Hey Y'all,Now I realize that topics such as strip clubs and porn stars
might not seem, at first blush, to be Steely Dan related
subjects, but when you take into account that a large part of
the theoretical basis of SD's work is centered around the
concept of IRONY, one can begin to understand how these subjects might be considered SD-related.As has been previously shown, strip bars are commonly referred
to as "Gentlemans Clubs", Porn Stars are referred to as
"Adult Film Superstars" and ex-vice president Dan Quail was
recently referred to as "a visionary". Can you see the Irony
in all of this? Therefore, any relationship which can be
considered ironic is fair game for this guestbook as far as I can see.Therefore the previous subjects chosen were not tangential, but
actually part of the entire ironic Steely Dan universe.Thank You.
Good morning (again) everyone -Anonybaby writes: "Re Clas: Give him the silent treatment. ...
Steveedan- I know this will be impossible for you to do. Try it. May be he'll go away."I know this will be impossible for you to do.
I know this will be impossible for you to do ?!?
What the heck do you know what is impossible for me to do?
You don't even know your own name !!!
It is amusing that while some are responding (though negatively) to Clas, they want others to ignore him.
Looks like the anonybabies have been drinking out of strange toilets too.
Steveedan
No, OJ Simpson and Jackson Browne are two birds of a feather. Clas - don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, fool!
Mick Ronson, from the album ”Play don't worry”?
CaraMia - yeah, shame shame, like Jonis song about Jackson Browne... ”one girl for me, and one for my son” (Jacksons son was at that time 7 years old).Seems to me like Mitchell and Becker are birds of a feather.
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Does anyone remember these lyrics, a Brittish rocksinger:
”You sit by your window / and you think you've made your name / now there's worry and roses / circulating in your brain...”
Great voice. He also did an English version of an Italian song:
”Up, washing the sleep away... memories of yesterday...”
C
Not a D&W quote, but Prince has said that the last album he had memorized the words for was Hissing of Summer Lawns.See you next week, people. I'm about to turn into a drooling mass of non-sentient flesh in about three hours. If I see any of you there and don't acknowledge please make allowances.
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...Oh, won't you stay, we'll put on the day, and we'll talk in present tenses...Yes, yes, yes! Hejira is it. The best. Twenty-four years later it is my life soundtrack still. Timeless, ageless... not like me...
I also like Don Juan's Reckless Daughter where Jaco did some pretty things on it in addition.Howard, the reference to Joni I remember was Walter's crass letter to his manager in 1997 wanting to come up with a scheme to find a long-lost illegitimate daughter for himself to garner publicity (like Joni's unwanted media scrutiny) in order to generate sympathy to have better chance at the RR Hall of Fame induction that first year they were nominated and the year Joni got in. It was tongue-in-cheek, but it bothered me. It was unseemly (not that this is a description he might decry) to denigrate in such a blatant and maybe mean-spirited dig at something that was raw and delicate for JM. Shame, shame...
I like to think maybe old Walt has been feeling bad about this little incident and wanted to make up for it by recording something of Joni's as an ultimate tribute. Have The Boys ever done this since East St Louis?
I will forgive and forget if they do justice to that nice little gem of Carrie. We shall see/hear, yes?
Back home after 8 on the graveyard shift...
nighty-night,
cara mia
Oleander: What the heck do I know about bacteria versus vira? I mean, my lord, with all the "informative" press about anthrax and what it is and how its contracted or spread you'd figure anyone should know that...but noooooo....moth in the light boy. Moth in the light...Funny thing is before I posted I yelled to the guys on the desk if they knew whether anthrax was a virus or a bacterium and the unanimous reply was the wrong one....obviously no doctors in the group.I think probably one of the more fascinating things about that Chester incident is how little coverage it received in spite of the fact that it was very much a big deal as was evidenced by the FBI's actions under sealed warrant.....and certainly looking at the totality of the situation, one could see how easy these Pakistani cats could have access to the anthrax BACTERIUM by way of their affiliation to the sciences...moreover, the macro-picture lends to the stiffling of "Chester Incident", inspite of its prima facie newsworthiness, because of the war we are currently waging in Afghanistan and the "support" that the Pakistani government is lending our troops overseas.... think of the embarrasment on a global-political scale would be pretty darn steep....
and speaking of Pakistan....just across my Reuters wire, BBC is reporting (from Iran Radio) that Osama Bin Laden has fled to Pakistan.....hmmmmmmm.
Anyway, my final point about this news bit: just because an item did not appear in your New York Times, or Boston Globe, or Washington Post, or your Google search, or any other widely used source for information: DOES NOT mean it never happened, nor does it take away from its potential validity.Boston friends NMN and LuckLess Pedestrian: A dear friend here in New York is having a 40th birthday celebration on the very night of my beloved King Crimson concert at the Orpheum Theatre...unfortunately, Babes and I will be cancelling out Boston trip that weekend (Friday December 7th thru Sunday December 9).....so..a rain cheque shall issue and Ward will have to wait to smooch his beloved June at a later date......
Meanwhile: I've got TWO HOT tickets to see King Crimson burning a hole in my pocket...if anybody wants them, their yours for face plust the ticket charge from ticketbastard....here are the specs: Orpheum Theatre in Boston, Saturday December 8, 2001 at 7:30 PM.....John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin fame will open for the Crim...you will be sitting in Orchestra Row R, seats 118 and 120. Promises to be killer show bar none (refer to earlier wormy report posted here)....e-blast or post indications of interest. Thank the good Lord I still get to see them here in New York the week later.
EVERYBODY: Have a Great weekend, and kiss someone one you love today!!!
Aus
Clas? Just when i was starting to like this place again!
Hey Secretary Rumsfeld, would Sweden be too far out of your way?
Re Clas: Give him the silent treatment.Steveedan- I know this will be impossible for you to do. Try it. May be he'll go away .
Clas has done this before. Here's his MO.Right before he goes on a vacation and knows he won't have access to a computer and the intenet, he comes on the GB and says he's leaving for good. He wants everyone to beg and plead with him to stay. Then when he returns from his trip he comes back on here like nothing ever happened. Well Clas, nobody gave a shit when you left and it was a lot nicer here without you. So why don't you take a hike....FOR GOOD!
jjeff, Cara, stev{i,e}edan, all other Joni fans:Hejira is the one for me. As jjeff said, you've got some of the best of Joni with some of the best of Jaco. Great songs, great bass. Lyrically and musically, a high point of Joni's career.
I think the series of albums: For The Roses, Court and Spark, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Hejira is just mindblowing. There are some fine Joni albums outside this group of four of course, but these ones have something special for me.
I like Mingus - some tracks more than others. Of the "Mingus" songs, Chair in the Sky is one of my favourites. Took me a while to get into it, but now I love it. Of the "Joni" songs, Wolf that Lives... is awesome. Dry Cleaner is also fun.
I'd love to know more about what Donald and Walter think of Joni. She's made it plain she's a huge Steely Fan (Aja her favourite, according to a radio interview). I get the feeling D+W probably respect/enjoy Joni's music, but this is reading a little between the lines. I remember Walter talking about "all those open tunings" she uses in one of his website mails...
Anyone have any quotes etc from interviews where they talk about Joni?
Howard
...and the sun poured in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses.Thanks, Steve/Steviedan, for the explanation. It was interesting.
Stranger: Bob's enounciating more clearly these days, isn't he? The CBC played a cut off of his new album and one can actually make out all the words. Nice review.
Oops hoops - there's more pics from the Paris Dan-Fest on this link:www.ateljelundkvist.se/galleri/
There's a new pic in the gallery too, ”Kid Charlemange”.
C
Howdy boys! And howdy to you too, grrrrlfriends!May I ask a question?
Thanx.Do you have mobile/cell phones over there? You know, those small phones without any wire connections to the walls? I don't know shit how they are working, there's probably something electronic stuff. They use to have their logo on the front, Nokia (Finland) or Ericsson (Sweden).
IF you have those, are their any musicians out there, JW Malibu, Stevie or SteveeDan, who have experienced this: having them near a syntheziser may cause scary shit in the synths display, last night I sat and made music, my own music in fact, so I won't bore you with details, I had the cellphone on the synth and suddenly the display-text started to flash, and then, after a while, the display said: ”Hole number eight”.
This is true, the synth went back to normal after I moved the phone (Nokia) to the kitchen.
Anyone?
C
Steviedan is always a hard act to follow, but I love a challenge. Hello, my namesake, hope all is well over dere ...
Someone was asking for a compilation of songs that had references to masterbation, and I wonder if anyone (like Steviedan) has ever heard of this old obscure record called Aphrodite's Child 666. There was this song on it that sounded like eastern drumming and a guy in an Indian voice kept chanting "I want to cum. I want to cum I must." Over and over again. You will probably never find this one. (And maybe that's a good thing.)Chere(loveuback) - Your unfortunate close call reminds me to stop using the phrase ... "I must have been drinking out of strange toilets again ...". I am so glad to hear that you survived that terrible event. And mazel tov on your marriage (I didn't even know you were engaged JuJu). I realize that you have the JuJu power in your soul, but many of us here congratulate you and send you our heartfelt JewJew power, bubby!!
Oleander - So the bar mitzvah boy's got some binoculars (and, I hope, a lot of gelt). Keep those curtains drawn. Is he shaving yet? Is his voice cracking? Is he stumbling over his ... feet (what did you think I was going to say?)?
About the Robert Palmer questions - he also played with the guys from Little Feat. I think it was he greatest hits CD #2 that had a great version of "Man Smart, Woman Smarter" with those guys. I think he is great, and I would love to see him get back into his "pre-Sound Station" stuff, like Super Nova, but that was just one of many records he made that I thought were great. I really like the slight changes he made in his "Cover" version of Todd Rundgren's "Can We Still Be Friends".
Mr. WormTom - In Pretzel Logic, I quoted the lyrics from that song. I find it impossible for you to have missed the lyrics from the first chorus (which) I wrote in my last post about this: "Well I'm dying to be a STAR and make them laugh, sound just like a record on a phonograph." Traveling minstral show notwithstanding, well, he's dying to be a STAR. How can you argue with that? Ya can't. So there. (Where?)
Jaco Pastorius and the fretless playing? He pulled the frets out of the bass himself, and the sucker just roared when I saw him at the 1980 Berkeley Jazz Festival with Weather Report, and also with Joni Mitchell (during the Mingus tour) with Herbie Hancock, Tony Williams, Don Alias, and Pat Metheny. At the end of his bass solo with Weather Report, he tried to pull a "Pete Townshend" and smashed his bass on the stage floor of the Berkeley Greek Theatre, but that bass did not break. But it sounded a little different afterwards.
How do we interact with the audience when we play our tribute band gigs you ask? (Midnight Cruiser?) Well, you see, it's like this. Here in Los Angeles, everybody's a critic. They know it all, they've seen it all, and yes we are all jaded. Everybody in the world passes through L.A., and it feels as though the audience as a whole is saying "OK, ya got 5 minutes, knock my socks off, or I'm going home." As a result of this, when doing Steely Dan music, we recreate the signature solos note for note and we play the songs with the same number of verses and choruses as on the original studio recordings.
When there is a live version of a song to copy the ending from (if we like it, since live fade-outs can be difficult) we do it that way. If the solo in question is long, or if we decide to extend it, the person who takes the solo (sax, guitar, piano, vibes, drums, etc.) will start it out true to the original then stretch out in it in an acceptable manner (a manner which is decided upon during rehearsals by the consensus of the band). Sometimes we will lengthen the song. Two examples of this are "Monkey In Your Soul" and "Black Friday".
The Steely Fan Band had a gig in Manhattan Beach in a bar where the management of the bar were, well, let's say, not the nicest nor the fairest of folk. Even though we played for over 2 and a half hours, and we had played our final number and said good night to the crowd, one of the managers came over to us and got up in our face all ugly-like and said that the contract (which I never saw) stipulated 3 full hours of music. And if we wanted to get paid, we were going to play for another 30 minutes.
Our lead singer and our back-up singer both had shot thier vocal wads and were virtually unable to sing any more, so after a little re-grouping, we decided to play Midnight Cruiser and allowed for 5 different solos - 2 keyboard solos, 2 sax solos, and 1 guitar solo, and then we did Black Friday for about 20 minutes. We played 3 songs in that last set for a total of 40 minutes until one of the bouncers came to the front of the audience and drew his finger across his throat (meaning, cut we've played enough now) so we played another 5 minutes just to annoy the management (and we did), got paid, and got the hell out of there. Fortunately this was an isolated incident.
It would be my desire in general to be able to be flexible enough to take requests from the audience and play songs that have been yelled out to us, sort of like a "Stump The Band (Betcha Can't)" kind of thing, but with 10 or more musicians in tow, it is often difficult to be this spontaneous. I do my best when building the set lists for gigs to try to vary the order of songs just to keep the music fresh for the band members. Certain songs, however, just have to be in the first or the second set only, and there are certain songs that people are expecting to hear, so songs plaed in the end of the last set and for encores usually have to be the same 4 to 6 songs.
Personally, I would like to do the more obscure songs like True Companion, Wetside Story, 2nd Arrangement, This All Too Mobile Home, or even certain pre-Steely Dan tunes, but, I fear that doing this will lose the audience, and their enjoyment is more important than ours. But not by much, let me tell you.
As Steviedan mentioned, he plays a wide range of cover tunes at his gigs. In our situation, we only play Steely Dan, as Which One's Pink? only plays Pink Floyd, as Led Zepagain only plays Carpenters, oops, I mean Led Zepelin (just making sure you were still paying attention), but my interest and ability to play different styles of music is what keeps me always improving my chops and I could never only play just Steely Dan. In fact, I feel that if it weren't for the decades of playing jazz standards, jazz fusion, lots of rock, and progressive rock, and also ballads, I would never be able to play Steely Dan tunes very well. I am as much a fanatic for Oscar Peterson and McCoy Tyner as I am for Keith Emerson, Rick Wakeman, Tony Banks, and so many others I haven't mentioned -- Chick and Herbie too.
Steveedan
... "la la la nothing in my way"...soothing sunny voice: "POSSIBLE sexual side effects, nausea, vertigo, psychedelic stool", "you can still transmit...". what is valtrex, a sugar pill ? what's the point ? are we talkin' godwartzilla, here ? little madison avenue of horrors ?
enough of THAT !
t-worm-inator, wise words on bebel gilberto. i remember the tone-inator bringing up that record. that's two important thumbs up, folks. add the stevieseal and take it to the bank. so that grappelli trib with "people i don't know" turned out to be didier ? excellent ! some real lineage there.
angel and jw (alleged s-j-p), like blind date or rendez-view, the garden party thing is a guilty pleasure, or pseudo-pleasure i guess. a big fan should own it. at the raleigh 2000 post-fest i had it in along with kama singles and some other tidbits. it was an interesting conversation piece and helped to earn me my danny award for best soundtrack. musically though, i find it partially butt. not inept or anything, just a little soul-less maybe.
"but seriously" st. al, have you picked it up on disc ? that one, "so what", "there goes the neighborhood", james gang "thirds" & "rides again", and maybe "you brought it - you name it"(import) if only for "I.L.B.T.'s". eSSENtial joe ! particularly "but seriously folks". where is joe's boxset ?
joe would love to hear some smart-ass answers to that question, i'm sure...
and i'm sure he'd have some good ones of his own...
steviedone
oh the humanity of that jingle, bill. i find myself going silently yankovic on the lyrics. i placed myself in the demographic through one of my few guilty tv pleasures, well actually two. first it was blind date, but now they converted that show to rendez-view. the ad's gentle persistence in that context is a source of daily hilarity and only adds to the experience.spotted yet another b/f songwriting demo today. i don't think i have this cover. ironically, it's on south park records. i must possess...
jjeff, yes doesn't it have this cool symetrical quality and such flair ? it's YOU ! my boy jaco was a dedicated fretless player, but back in the day he played with frets. pre-weather report. when he was in blood sweat & tears with mike stern ? i'm not sure. now as to your cover band question, we play a very wide variety of stuff and differently each night for the most part. from marley to gershwin to sd to madonna to hank williams jr to "whoop there it is". for real. i respect the dedication of the tribute bands, but that's not me. bear in mind that most musicians have multiple milieus for creativity.
ole. fela WIELDS ! that is PERFECT !
tonez, damn sure missed you, man and your list of shout-outs reminded me how much i miss the duck. thanx for heads up on prince, it will be checked out. i can't believe i totally missed the release. you mean NEW new ? re: the spirituality angle ? so what's new ? he's always been talkin' jesus while rubbin' the jouncer lololol. his royal dichotomy.
be right back...
Oleander,
Dylan still likes to rock and roll. Drew a big crowd, lots of encores, did 2 solid hours, no break. good band. he's still changing his songs a lot. could barely recognize blowin in the wind, for instance. did great 'like a rolling stone.' he did 'masters of war,' his statement on this war, i imagine. spoke only to introduce the band. still a mysterious presence. truly a heterogeneous crowd -- teens to way up there. still a few old dopers around.
Been listening to TM I lately & what a pleasure.Nuyorquenos--terrible, terrible. More grief, loss. Hope you all are dealing as well as can be expected.
Bostonians!!! What the hell are you all doing next weekend? Who wants to tryst, however briefly? And will I see anyone at Ricky Jay Fri. nite? E me--oleander1@earthlink.net
chere--girl, heart froze for a minute there from your too close call. So thankful you're ok.
Aus--anthrax is a bacterium, not a virus. Those stories sound like much ado about random Pakistanis. Actually, being an international health prof at Hopkins might be a good cover. I just think the FBI is getting frustrated by their lack of progress in figuring out where the anthrax came from.
lllllovebob--if it hadn'ta been for anthrax, I just might have made it to Tips. Alas. I WILL see you again.
duncan--thanks!!! for posting the articles. Much enjoyment.
Stranger--so how was Dylan?
MC--Number 2 Son just got a telescope for Bar Mitzvah gift--we'll be warming it up Sunday rrreal early.
RS--Sausage may not be kosher, but I could make an exception.
stevied--Fela RULES. Fela WIELDS. Next Raleigh trip, I gotta hear that Mingus at C Hall.
YGK--bro, your e is bouncing. Did you see Elvis C & the Mingus Orch? Dying to hear a review.
Lady B--what up?
Dragon--jam jar trucked?
z--Will do. I know a trailer park where they'll take real good care of your yankee ass.
MU: It's simple. First, move out of your house. Then stop voting. Stop payng property taxes. Get rid of all your bank accounts, credit cards, and other assets. Deal only in cash. Finally, change your name to that damn u thingy and you're set.Otherwise you're f*ed.
...fragmentation taking place.Stevedan and all cover band players: How do you involve an audience with re-occurring material ie Do you improvise the original material, take requests,change playlist to suit the mood,etc. Just curious. I've never seen a cover/tribute band.
Night y'all.
Mu:take it as entertainment. Always look on the bright side of life...de doo... de doopy doopy doo :)MC: 3nights and counting! I got me pith helmet ready. I've ordered a Bauch&Lomb 7x50 binoculars with a tripod attachment. It's not a telescope but it's a start.
Chere&Gina: Good to see both of you back.
Tones: I thought after Prince's breakup he might get funked up again. Domesticity took the edge off. I still buy his stuff, give it a listen, then give it to my niece. Still with the Jesus thang, eh?
jjjazzyjeff: I am an employee/hostage for/of the state. It maketh no differenceA pox on this cursed luck! Today the local District Court wants me after T'Giving. This is the court that put the death penalty on the racist whackos from Beaumont involved in the dragging death of the black man...
Excuses: Lesse, preggie? uhhhhhNope.
In high school? Only the Janie Runaways.
Abandoment of young? Kiddies already in public school - doesn't that count?"Served" the courts for more than 6 days in the last six months? It just seemed like it.
Over 70? Ask me when the next Steely Dan album is released...
Currently Governor or state rep or employe of state gov't? Those weasels, they aren't even in session...
Who can print me a colorful t-shirt that exclaims "Yes, I'm biased!"
..oh Stevie, I've tryed it on and it seems to fit, but can I wear it home? Thanks! I'll keep it.
...when I spotted six jet planes leaving vapour trails across the bleak terrain. It was the hexagram of the heavens, it was the strings of my guitar...Steviedan:Hejira:A beautiful blend of Mitchell and Pastorius. The fact that it is more structured in terms of rhythm and lyrics makes it much more accessable and enjoyable to me than Mingus. I think Cara may feel the same.( Hi, babe). Did Jaco always play fretless?
Duncan: You always crack me up! I'm just guessing at your profanities, but would they be:
5.Fanny
4.Tits
3.Whanker
2.Fucked
1.ShitterAngel:I think the formula for "island" slang is to get a common 2-word phrase where the 2nd word rhymes with the word you're slanging. Tin lids/kids.Jam jar/car. Just a guess, mind you.:)
Wormy:Trying to find a group/performer not talking about the road,touring,concert,themselves is a tough one. Take out "themselves" and the job is a little easier. Introspection is a big topic. How about Talking Heads? I was thinking Tull too, but then there's Too Old to RnR.
I haven't heard the new L.Cohen CD but I haven't seen/heard 1 good review.
And didn't Robert Palmer's fall happen IN Power Station?LOLMu: You'll have to learn to "paper bag" it, next time:). Like MC was saying, big companies or government positions will compensate you the difference.
Have to go. My first "call" in 10 nights of stand-by. It's about muck-luckin time. I was about to go aboard some old geezer so he'd complain of chest pain.
NYBill:2 linear feet? That's your Arm, silly.
[Your] need for Valtrex is high as [you] only
engage in sexual relations without first donning a full-body
condom which can sometimes be mistaken for a scuba suit.sick pup
Location, Location, Location!
Dear Mr. Media,One of the first rules of marketing is to "Know Your Product",
would'nt you say? I mean there's little point in marketing
something that you know nothing about right? Now, considering
your in-depth understanding of the target audience for this
product, one can only assume that you have done some field
testing of the products in question yourself. I must say,
your knowledge of Penile Lengthening alone would fill a rather
hefty volume. I, myself have no need for such information as
I feel that anything over 2 linear feet is a poor candidate
for such treatment. My need for Valtrex is nil as I never
engage in sexual relations without first donning a full-body
condom which can sometimes be mistaken for a scuba suit.
P.S. You're calling me NYBill again...that's a no-no remember?
Remember, Bill, I'm watching you too along with my friend Mr. Nielson - those pop-up ad's on your computer don't come from nowhere.....
NYBill: we specifically design our advertising to reach out to those who need it, and are seeking our products and services.Therefore, I can tell that the ads are reaching their rightful audiences, especially in your case.
Valtrex
Penile Enlargement
Strip ClubsThe mere fact that the ads reach you (and you choose to note them here), effectively provides us with a profile of what's important to you. Thanks for your feedback!
In fact, the 3 entities you mention would be a perfect cross promotion. Keep on checking Newsday for a triple whammy near you!
the real contridiction in terms bill is that they call these places"GENTLEMAN'S CLUBS"
Concerning this advertising thing... I run into the same stuff
in my local newspaper. Here on Long Island we have the Long
Island Newsday. I like to read the sports section in the
back of the paper (besides the funnies and the classified
section it's the only good part of the paper). Anyway, as
you search through the sports section, you will eventually
run across advertisements for Penile Lengthening and Various
Porn Actresses who happen to be appearing at whatever local
titty bars there are in the area. Actually they call the clubs
"Mens Clubs" and the porn actresses are "Adult Film Stars" or
"Adult Film Superstars". Since when did porn actresses become
"superstars"? I feel like saying, " What the fuck? Your not a
superstar, you're a fuckin' porn actress fer Chrissakes!
Yer a freakin' dirtbag, get the fuck 'atta here!" But it only
goes to show that with the proper advertising these marketing
types can make ANYTHING seem respectable.Rant is now over. I feel much better now thank you.
No!Why on earth would I want to meet little ole you?
Besides that inadequate 'screen size' thang you keep on showin, and the way you write, using that foreign punctuation and all (where did you go to school?), the closest you get to meeting me is this forum right here. And you never even asked, you silly boy. Where are your manners? Do they teach those on Long Island?I honestly can say I've never seen an advertisement for Valtrex, but those good ole boys in Marketing sure have you pegged.
I do hope it gets better - or else they'll have to call the CDC!
Dear "But at Least" anon,Well, at least you did'nt call me NYBill this time... lol!
Are you still mad over the fact that you never got to meet me?
It's not that I shun you, it's just that I had heard so many
wierd things about you from some very reliable sources and
was'nt sure that I wanted to get involved. Besides, you refused
to sign that legal form stating that you did'nt have herpes
and...
29 February, 2000!!!!!!That certainly bronzes St. Al's point!
St.Al....you missed out on an enjoyable experience when you got out of jury duty. I had it for six weeks a few years ago and really dug it. The only trial I was actually on the jury for was a murder trial with all the elements of a good movie. Drugs, sex, betrayal, mystery, graphic documentation, etc. It was one of the more interesting things I've done as part of my "public service". The bonus for me was that Goodyear paid me the difference between my regular days pay and what the state paid us for jury duty. The really cool part was that if we had to go to the court house on any day, I got the day off with pay from Goodyear whether I was picked to sit on the jury that day or not. They can call me back anytime!!
2000 not 2001
StAl: It IS the low prices. I bought TvN at Wal-mart. They had it in stock to my surprise by midnight the 29th of November 2001. Just caught the guy unloading it out of the box. Three bucks cheaper than rAmazon. So I e-mailed Amazon.cram and cancelled the order which was to arrive 2nd day (they don't send it out 'til the morning of the release).F***!!! a measly $10 here. We argued that since we disposed of nine counts, clearing the docket, we should receive 9 x $10... a downpayment on that DVD player...
that there is a remedy for your 'problem' - Valtrex is your answer!Also, research firms spend millions profiling audience types and different demographics, and you fit the profile!
There's just something about those statistics.
Bill, if a company has the money and tv station bosses and the FCC don't find it totally offensive (can't account for some people's ideas of what is "offensive") - then your commercial gets on the air. Some consideration of time of day is given for certain types of commercials. Costs are based on the time of day and the show the commercials run inside of. Sorry. I know it's bad. Once I was home on a Saturday, 11:30am, and a repeat of the old Cosby show was about to begin, and my station ran a commerical for "Lovers Lane", a store where you can buy *unusual* items, if you know what I mean. Showed some woman walking down a staircase in a teddy, etc. I called in and told them to consider moving to about 3am where it belonged. And, luckily, they did move it. This doesn't always work for the average viewer though. Too bad, it's almost always about *money*.
Stevie -- absolutely wore out my copy of Life's Been Good. Think I still have it stuffed in a box with the rest of my LP's.U-Thingy: Wal-Mart? I suppose I could forgive you considering there's probably no other place within a couple hours drive to buy cheap stuff. Hope you don't have to buy your music or prescription drugs there because the righteous folks at Wal-Mart corp. have already decided what's good for you...
Also, you perfectly illustrated why I've always found a way to avoid jury duty. 4 times I've been summoned. 4 times I've told them to blow. Getting to the point I'm actually considering not voting anymore. My excuses are running out...
The reality is I'd love to participate. I think it would be fascinating. However, the measly $20 a day they pay wouldn't even buy the drinks I'd have a the Metropolitan Grill just down the street afterwards...
So I'm sitting there having my dinner last night and watching
TV when it happened again... another one of those VALTREX
commercials...Now I don't know about you, but I just don't like hearing about
genital herpes while I'm in the middle of my meal. The
commercial goes on to mention, by name, all of the possible
sexually transmitted diseases that this medication might work
for... warts and sores and lesions and all kinds of really gross
shit. While all of this is going on, there's some young girl in
the background singing "Nothin' in my way..." over and over
again! I mean I just lost my appetite y'know? Wound up
deep-sixin' a whole plate of egg noodles over it.All I wanna know is, who's idea of a joke is it to put that
kind of a commercial on right smack in the middle of the 5:30
to 6:30 dinnertime slot?Bill
So what ever happened to Ballah?
Working hard for that 4 day coming up....JW: I did not mean to insult the Garden Party record. All I heard are the 30 second clips on Amazon. What I managed to hear, was not enough for me to shell out the money to buy it. Also, if I remember correctly, most of the songs were standards. I have a tendency to like the more obscure cuts. My favorite on that Me, Myself and Irene album is "Razor Boy". Love that song.
Chere: If I did not say it before, welcome back to you. That is one special husband you have there. I think I would have freaked out.
Dano: Thanks for the explaining Jam Jar to me. Is it called that because of the windows? Or that it gets you into jams?
Mose Allison is doing a two night stand right after thanksgiving
(he rarely plays in his home town) backing by Johnny Vidocovich and James Singleton of Astral Projecta good week for music in New Orleans
caught Didier Lockwood and his trio last night, was the last person let in off the sold out waiting list for the opening seat and stayed for the second set. Lockwood & Co. hail from France and Didier was an understudy and close friend of Stephane Grappelli and gave many stories on his old friend. What a telepathic set. Stephane and Django were certainly in the house last night and rousing versions of nuages, In a Sentimental Mood and Minor Swing among others riveted the crowd. Didier did one solo piece which played on contrasting styles and "on the fly" tape loop building - it went Arabic - Debusseyesque seascape - neo classical Brandenburgoso - Kyoto Japanic - Hearts of Space - Hungarian Romp
Quite a treat
and who says violin doesn't belong in jazz?Auss & YGK: they are playing at Joys in NYC either tonight or tommorrow (see you next week guys)
tonight's outings - a Lady day tribute
tommorrow? Stereolab or Rene Marie
almost makes up for missing Sonny Fortune last weekendtom's spin of the week a 2000 release
bebel gilberto - tanto tempo
bossa nova and then someSir Steven D -had to laugh about your transcription outings
I used to send my guitar teacher in stitches with my requeststhe Joe Walsh spin was only to lay out the satire to the extreme
yes that is a good dischas anyone heard the new Leonard Cohen album?
after 5 years in a monk like state it should be interestingwt
... for me to even act like I know what the frick is going on around here... (actually, I posted once recently, but I think it was lost in one of those script crashes... I took that as a sign my sabbatical wasn't over), but I wanted to toss a big steely "yo!" to everyone. I guess I'm officially a "newbie" again... but I will get down to some serious lurking someday soon... but from what I did catch...Chere! Congratulations on your nuptuals, and on staying on this particular plane of existence with us. Wow. I hope you're feeling ok after that near miss! Good timing on having a hubby to come to your rescue. Take care of yourself down there...
Danooooooo, lp, Stevied, Blaiser, Snakehips, Jen (!), Jdubs, Ole, Gina, Aja, Ms. Ducks, Wormy, Floridavid, Angel, Snakie, Aus, Danslut(tm), St. Al, cyn, Cara mia, Negz, Midnight Cruiser, wierd little "u" guy, sh, jj, z/x, doc krug, Lady Bay, W1P, Ygk, 3rdworldman... everybody everywhere... especially you ShipWhacked crew members... big peace on you all!
I may be gone... but I haven't forgotten...
...and I'll be back when I have gathered some relevant thoughts... or when I can at least fake it...
off to bag some zzzzzzzzzzz's before work...
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btw... stevied... the new Prince album is a "sumbitch" musically, though the spiritual part will scare some people away. Just like "Slow Train Coming" did. But damn... the dude is the Ellington of this era. Those that have ears will hear...
i sure heard that, lp. mc900ft jesus is NICE.dano, that movie is (from what i've read) a dramatic account of trumpeter arturo sandoval's defection from cuba with some assistance from dizzy. i'm sure it will be a good story.
wormy, "life's been good" is from joe's masterpiece "but seriously folks", as i'm sure you know already. that album contained some of joe's best tunes like "over and over", "second hand store", "indian summer", & "tomorrow". great cover art. great production. his life was sounding good in '78.
jw, good to not be ridiculed over toto. i've got a porcaro tribute cd, possibly some of the same personnel as the show. do you remember what year he passed ?
spent part of this evening transcribing w-hee-zer and godschmack tunes for students. they were, for the most part, garbage and i don't mean that other shitty band. however, the solo on the w-hee-zer tune was fairly well constucted and sounded a bit like a jacked-up dicky betts meets humble pie thing, so it was not a total loss. it was that "sweater song" crap. i DO have some other students with taste, but this kind of labor comes with the territory sometimes.
gina, glad to see you back. i'm still waiting for some more john beasley recollections...
Now this is more like it! A box of triscuits, a can of cheese whiz and me!
Question: Heard a song while shopping at yes, Walmart this evening. Distinctive sound in the Eye to Eye, Swing Out Sister mode. I'm suspecting that it could be either a newer Sister song or possibly "Just Can't Get Enough," a single released by an Eye to Eye group released in May this year. I could barely hear the lyrics, but this title would fit. Is this the same Eye-to-Eye group produced by Gary Ketz in the early 80s back together???Really, a super pop-jazz recording with a slinky meody.. Crisp. A Dan-like backbeat drumming. The vocals sounded somewhere in tone and phrasing between Deborah Berg and the Swing Out Sister chick. Didn't hear an English accent though . Has anybody hear the Eye to Eye single? Is there possibly an album coming out?? Buehler? Beuhler? Edd? Edd?
Limewire, here I come...
Swingin' so hard,
I burned right thru yer momma.
Till the axis of my plowshare,
Shears her arc of lay-bi-ah.
Is that kinda' like Zappa's "Jazz Discharge Party Hat"?
From near or far to Kandahar, for your aural pleasure it'sSmooth Jazz Pussy
re: SJP....I like 'em all, in any order and in any combo! *lol*come to think of it, that would be an awesome name for a band....
Ladies & Gentlemen, I give you Smooth Jazz Pussy!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!
munch on that a bit
smooth jazz pussy? Hmmm, I'll have to chew on that one for a while
If anybody is in the Washington D.C. area, this might be a fun night tonight. Featuring our own Jeff "Skunk" Baxter on guitar. Gotta do a cut and paste on this one, it was in a pop up box without a dedicated address:
Hard Rock Cafe/Congressional Benefit Concert for September 11 relief effortsCity
Washington D.C.Date
11/14/2001Time
9:00PMCost
$10Info
202-737-7625Members of Congress are donning their guitars and stepping up to the microphone to perform a special benefit concert hosted by Hard Rock Cafe International on Wednesday, November 14, to raise funds to support the September 11 relief efforts. The concert will feature a performance by Congressman Collin Peterson (DFL-MN) joined by nine other members of Congress, with a special appearance by Jeff Baxter, former band member of The Doobie Brothers. Washington's celebrated vocalist and thirteen-time Wammie Award winner, Mary Ann Redmond, will also perform that evening. Also appearing is Jane Adams, vocalist for Capitol Hill's favorite band, "Blame it on Jane." The concert is open to the public and admission is $10.00. For reservations, call 202-737-7625.
So nice to read the posts here, Chere back, some more of Jdubz as well, it feels like my first Banyan Trees moment again *SMOOCH*Last night i tried to sleep with the radio still on. I was thinking pure and nonpure thoughts while all of a sudden i heard these chords ... i know i once labelled it as my least fav Steely Dan song, but after last night i think i will reconsider ..
Bodhisat sounded different and gave a new meaning to my Steely Dan world ... after a week in a new home ... real special.
Made me think of you guys.Off again, my online time is scarce, still waiting for the cable ... Really nice to read the posts, really nice.
Banyan Tree Living In a Yellow House and Bodhi on Midnight Radio Bow, G.
Steely-folk,Is anyone aware of any SOUNDBOARD live recording bootlegs from the 2000 "Two Against Nature" Tour? It appears that tour was bootlegged far less than previous jaunts. Just el curioso...
(Save the lecture on artists and bootlegs - I'm a musician myself and don't condone nor support the enterprise; it's just an inquiry.)
"You'd never believe it / but once there was a time / when love was in my life..." - Donald Fagen, 'The Nightfly'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
orgasm addict - buzzcocks
she bop - cyndi lauper
pictures of lily - the who
jack u off - prince
rocks off - stones
i got my cock in my pocket - iggy pop
Aussie ~ Thanks for the newsflash! I, too went looking for further information and couldn't find any other references, but this is obviously a valid story...unlike the bogus one I posted last week. I jumped the gun after a nationally-syndicated talkshow dweeb began stating that George Harrison had in fact died. Apologies to all who read that post...
Angel ~ Call me a smooth-jazz pussy, but I actually enjoy some of the arrangements on "Garden Party". It's evident that these guys grew up listening to the Dan and truly LOVE the music, as compared with SOME of the younger bands who participated in the "Me, Myself & Irene" soundtrack and butchered SD songs in the name of "fresh arrangements" ~ if you're gonna' cover Steely Dan, at least get the fuckin' chords right!
Dragon ~ Pleasure chatting with you on Monday evening - your copy of TM/2000 went out yesterday, you should have it by Friday.
Steviedan ~ Toto, despite their overt commerciality, definitely had the chops and style! I had the pleasure of seeing the Jeff Porcaro tribute here in LA back in '92 with a multitude of heavies (including DF), and Toto rocked!
Cara Mia & Aja ~ My two favorite Danbabes! What's up, ladies?
I've been busy rebuilding my website from scratch; re-writing it in Dreamweaver and Flash. I've got a new url, www.jaydubz.com and will post more information when I get it up and running...
Angel , Thanks for that info on Garden Party will definately not be spending my wedge ( money ) on that one for sure ?? Dont fancy it at all.
Jam Jar ( car )in Garage all day , Moby Dick (sick) brakes gone.Dunc,just off for a J. Arthur mate??
Dragon , Can you email me your e-mail address please , got the Tom Mix ( pics ) ready.I am sure I put yours on my address book but its gone Belly Up somewhere. Thanks D.
"slow hand"
putting together a gag tape for a friendneed songs in the vein of
Rose Darling, Rosie, Turning Japanese, Whip It, Big Timeno Chuck Berry or Michael Jackson
the subtler the better
any suggestions?
In honour of Dano's poorly jam-jar
My top 5 rhyming slang rude phrases5 jack & danny
4 thrupenny bits
3 merchant banker
2 tom ducked
1 garry glitter
db
Is anyone here familiar with the group "Duke Daniels" out of
Los Angeles? Was just listening to thier song "Following a
Star". Excellent Tune! I understand the bassist, Nick Sample,
is the son of the legendary Joe Sample.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,38735,00.htmlHmmm, Fox and the WashTimes, 2 sources of disinformation!?!
Aus, was surprised the media didn't jumpe on it, but guess they are just protecting us from hysterics - you rock!
anon: Didn't make up a thing. Follow .url posted after Angel's query this morning (wasn't me BTW). FBI still keeping tight lid on happenings in Chester, PA....eyewitness sources of mine tell me the homes are compleatly wrapped in plastic, entire block sealed off, and haz-mat guys everywhere you look....
Thanks for thinking I take time to concoct phantasy stories to share with you all.Enjoy your Wednesday everybody.
Last second shouts to Chere and CaraMiaMarsha.
Aus
Aussie- Yes, I want to know.... Why did you make up that bull shit story about the anthrax lab?
Trying to catch up after jury duty, which was long, but hilarious (well, more so now). A college Dude up for nine counts of various loud partying at his rental shack with 200 of his closest friends at 2 in the morning, disturbing the elderly citizenry, lying to an officer twice concerning his identity ("I don't live here - two blocks away and I'm waiting for my girlfried to pick me up"), speeding, and parking on someone's grass during a lost Halloween football weekend last year, then not showing up for his court date.The officers remembered the fifth year senior well, since he wore a cheerleader uniform as a costume! Blue was NOT his color! The Dude had an attitude ( - nothing was his fault, he wasn't hurting anybody). He was ill-prepared with a flimsy defense and no witnesses (funny how none of his 200 closest friends were available), It was patently clear of disregard for the citizenry and was just trying to work the system and pays the least amount of tines. Plus, he decided ran into a buzzsaw prosectutor: don't mess with an 8 1/2 month pregnant Latino woman! The kicker, was that the prosecutor revealed that Dude had been arrested for the exactly the same violations again (a yearly Halloween party and failure to identify)!! Finally, we jurors were retained from 8:30am 'til after 5:30 pm with NO LUNCH. Another juror and I shared quarters and split a packet of leaden Pop Tarts from the candy machine that rumbled in my innards all afternoon. Needless to say, Dude received the maximum of possible fines from us on all counts, except for the on the grass parking, where we doled out the usual fine...
Next time as a 6th year Senior, require a cover charge that will pay for the fines!!
Single's of the weeks PTIIII
Next week see's the release of a cover of one of my all time favourite songs Handbags & Gladbags by the stereophonics & even more suprisingly a cracker of a single by Kate Winslet from the forthcoming film a Christmas carol.Happy Easter everyone
db
Thank You.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20011114-44441120.htm
Aussie: What was the deal with the anthrax lab in PA? I never heard a reference to it in the media.Dano: Big question first. What is a Jam Jar?
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you are still on the lash. Maybe not so young, though. :-)
Garden Party. It is definitely a Jazz/Muzak version of some of the SD catalog. You can catch the flavor of some of the tracks on Amazon.com. I personally don't like it much, but my work "Dan Fanatic" friend, does. Just a matter of taste.Wormy: I love the 1-85 line. LOL.
With the Dan you almost get the opposite of an aerial view on Life in the Fast Lane. Songs like "This Moody Bastard", "Jack of Speed", "What a Shame About Me" and even "Two Against Nature".
Good Thread.
Chere , Rob Palmer was in Vinegar Joe in the early seventies with Elkie Brooks , I actually seen them a few times over here, they where ok small rock band and she still tours the clubs like Mr Palmer?? Mind you half the time i seen them i was young and muellered on the lash , so it was hazy times indeed??.Sorry I missed you juju baby , but will catch you soon.Stevie , Can you clue me in on a film that is on next week called "For Love Or Country" Starring Andy Garcia about Arturo Sandeval.Something about Cuban Musician??Any Clues?? Cheers
Also still on a serious note , can aanyone clue me in about a compilation album by "Garden Party" of Steely Hits ?? Saw it yesterday but cant see the logic in it. All Instumental I believe??Whats all that about.
Stuck at home today as jam jar is in garage?? you in chat lp.
welcome back Chere
glad to see you are still with usRobert Palmer - his backing band for Sneaking Sally was none other than the New Orleans funk meisters "The Meters"
yes he was in good circles back then (and since fallen)
(he also played in an 80's contrived supergroup Power Station featuring the guitarist from Duran Duran)Robert Plant better dressed than Robert Palmer?
looks like you missed all those open to the waist women's blouses he used to wear. He had his teeth and nose worked on 74ish.
One hell of a voice, golden god epitomy of Rock Starhey, my rock star comment got a thread rolling on music of all things
yes there are tangential musings from the dan
but certainly not your typical seventies divulgences
my masaradi does 1 80 5YGK - Elvis and Mingus Big Band
sounds real entertaining
can we be flies on the wall next week?wt
as the raindrops penetrate the silence all around...chere - yes, my love, mc900ftjesus is a master with the lines - the above lines are from the city sleeps, in a release called welcome to my dream released in 1991 - hadn't played it in a while but i will now, thanks so much! poetry in motion they are! only they (or sd) could make arson sound cool and incredibly sexy
so sorry about your reaction, glad you are okay now...
not sure about the banshees release, was that in 85?
back to making breakfast for the kids, have a happy wednesday!
REally?
Chere (!): What a relief to know you're all righty, bad scare there for hubby, eh? The ju was indeed working. Now if I could only get that e-mail of yours to do the same...heeWormy: John Mayer 'Room for Squares' is just an exceptional bit of guitar, vocal, lyric. Hard to pin down a comparison, he doesn't draw any new blood, he just does what he does darn well. What a hook. Yep, just buy and trust in the impeccable taste of Jim#, lol.
SHe's married?
this is bad jumbo man.
Hi Y'all,Well it seems that no matter how many times Mr.Bill asks not
to be called NYBill anymore, he's going to be called NYBill
anyway... Ok fine. Now I am forced to choose another name
from the grab-bag of names which will probably not be liked
by anyone. Well, here goes..."GBH-Bomb"
Go to www.nipigon.lakeheadu.ca/~bgates/10steps.html, "How to
make an Atomic Bomb for Dummies in 10 easy steps".
Warning: Once this name is used there's no turning back."ReallyHotSex"
Wanna see a whole bunch of ReallyHotSex posts? Keep calling me
NYBill and you'll get all the ReallyHotSex you can stand..."Sawtooth Cranium"
It just keeps gettin' better don't it?"FynaMynaFrumChina"
An SD-related handle! See? I talk SD once in a while...
Anyway, I think you get the point by now, the NYBill handle is
history. It's gone. Never comin' back. All the various anons
who are zeroing in on the NYBill name, will have to find another
name to zero in on. Otherwise, your gonna get all the rediculous
anonymous posts, with some of the craziest anonymous handles
that you've ever heard of Ok? Deal?Alright then, lets give this a spin and see how it goes.
Bill (for now...)
or make that "to" squared...just happened to listen to "fahrenheit" by toto from '86. jeff porcaro looks drawn up tighter than dick's hatband in the photos. when did he pass ? anyway, most of it holds up fairly well. the single "i'll be over you" is beautiful despite the maudlin cliche-ity of the lyrics. luke handles the lead vocals with michael mcdonald providing EXCELLENT descant. "don't stop me now" is a MILES DAVIS feature. that's right. miles and mike on the same album with roger nichols as technician and special thanks to gary katz. THERE'S some steely tie-in for ya. thanks to st. al for providing safehouse to discuss a toto album.
ain't changed a bit.good.
worm-o-wonder, you had let me on about b's unfortunate lurker status, i was just hoping to draw he, clas, and maybe gina out. how about a lurker welcome wagon week at the new place here. a housewarming out-of-the-woodwork type event. mints, peanuts, cheaters, hooters, maybe a little combo. a post-prodigal thing.
and most importantly, what jaco does all over "hejira".
let us consider the premise of the radio disc jockey AS "rock star". now we have "f.m." and "the nightfly", as well. but back to the musician-only angle, "teahouse on the tracks" ? "parker's band" ? we must include jazz because steely dan is not a mere rock band a la aerosmith, kiss, iron maiden, sabbath. jazz analogies fall closer to the point.
ygk, per your enthusiastic request (and that's what i like to hear) the rundown of personnel on the mingus "at carnegie hall" $2 gold disc: the core group was george adams, hamiett bluiett, don pullen, and the unfaltering yet departed dannie richmond. now dig the "guest artists", jon faddis, john handy, rahsaan roland kirk (!), and charles mcpherson. recorded 1-19-74 and originally released on atlantic. two tunes, "c jam blues" and "perdido", both 20+ mins. apiece. two tunes, two bucks. can't beat it with wire brushes...
that said, jackson browne, jackson browne, and oh...
jackson browne.
aja, johnny a ? sounds familiar. i'm on it, though. there is an artist that goes by johnny b. not goode, but short for bon-something and i have the cd if i can locate it. i just heard a boot of him soloing with the band moe and oh shit ! today i looked at their new live recording, but no such luck. "bodisattva" nowhere to be found. anyone know where to find it ???
chere, i can only respeak. we are blessed by your continued presence. you bring extremely good vibes to the new roots st. al is laying down. sorry to hear about the allergic episode. we magnify the juju back at cha...
Chere!!! Welcome back, in more ways than one girlfriend! OMG! Talk about close encounters, but honey, did you see the light?
Am so very, very glad you are alright. Cyn sends her love. She is basking in the rays of the tropical sun (lobster anyone?)
I am missing all the chat, where is everyone?
Got booed off the Amen, you can all laugh, I certainly did!!!!!!
If you have the link, check it out.
Checking hotels in Wales. Going Fox hunting.
Slan beanacht.
I want to say thanks to all forsending me welcome backs and than ks yous and shout outs. They are sooooooooooooo appreciated! Thannks so much.
Dragon- I e mailed you so check it and get back to me when you can.
Dano- itried to get into chat twice on Sunday- and about four times in the past two days- no one is ever there- am I in the wrong room, or perhaps my timing is just off? Sorry I misssed you, I would have loved to have chatted it up with you my Scottish friend!Jenny- Happy Belated. Wish I had know Ask Auss I can sing a pretty bad ass chilling sweet and sensual Happy Birthday.
Hope it was a good one for youCara Mia- what can i say gorl- i love ya and miss you too.
Aja- Girrl- Could you PLease e mail me with you new number at work and home I just HAVE to call you. Lots to catch up on- call is on me okay? Lot o love in your direction.
Steviedan- So sorry about your cat baby. That sucks OUT LOUD. I did a JUJU candle prayer for you for your furry departed. Don't worry you two will be kickin' it again one day at the rainbow bridge.
Q- So nice to see you so ACTIVE on the board these days. THis is VERY VERY COOL! Hoping I can make that mini danfest a larger one by joining up with the likes of you the wife dragon and perhaps we an get the floridavid if he has healed in on this too.
Floridavid- Hope that throat is healing nicely. Give me a jingle when you can speak or e blast me with the lastest developments. I have been doing healing rituals for you since we last spoke with great hopes that your entire process would be quick and hassle free. Hope that JUJU made it's way to you.
Special hello's to Jim#, Wormashun creashun,W1P,BTedde,NYBILL,YGK,AUSSbaby,Ole, Ducky,Lady Bayside,LP, SnakeHips,GE,dlestan,JJ,JMali,the stranger,Peg,craigster,Tonez,Cyn,StAland family,Blaise,schwinn,Mu,steveedan(love!)Don't nobody love you all like me! If I forgot anyone this means YOU too! I am slepy. Sorry.
Question: Was Robert palmer ever with a band? when he did Sneakin' Sally thru the alley etc? Was he always a well dresed solo act? I am just curious? I personally think Robert Plant dressed WAY better. But he has BAD teeth!
Finally got the DVD the making of Aja- I am blessed so so blessed. It was very interesting to see the entire process. I watched it three times and am sure I will continue to learn something new each time I watch it.
Another reason I am blessed- aI m gonna make this real short and simple- i basically had a MAJOR allergic reaction to some new medication the doc put me on and my hubby found me in the bathroom doubled over the toilet looking like i was hurling. When he nudged me on the shoulder, I fell to the side hit my head on the bathtubb and my head turned sideways to reveal my face eyes looking thru him, lips blue, no air and nobody home. He 911 and 6 paramedics and intubation (spell?) later and after lots of medication they finally brought me back. I came to and opened my eyes and you know what, my first thought was my father. I just KNOW he is part of the reason I am here. So there is soooo much to be thankful for. And yes I am blessed. The JUJU is with me very strong! Guess all that karma I am always putting out saved my ass in a huge way. Let's all give thanks for real though!
Instant karmas and such, my love and juju to you all, sweet like sugarcaine, soul to soul. Stay blessed y all. Someone shout back at me please and let me know about the Robert Palmer thing.Another music question: Has anyone ever heard of Mc 900 Ft Jesus?
If so, do you know of more than two albums put out? How would a girl like me go about acquiring a hard to find Siouxie and the Banshees CD titled "Tinderbox'? I have cash. I NEED this CD BAD!
Okay my allotment is way passed it's limit I am sure. One love I am gone for real now. peace- Ree
Cara Mia,Hey, it's great to be remembered. I'll keep a seat warm for you at the next Southern Cal. Dan concert.
~~~~~:
"Done like a matador
I pray for the weekend
and hope the little girls
still throw roses"I've argued before that "Throw Back the Little Ones" is an allegory about the recording and disseminating process, that includes concert slumming in the 70s..of course, it could be argued that most of the SD stories are allegories, at least that's the story most of us stick to (in order to rationalize their/our open endedness) even after osmosing Oleander's web site...
The key thing is that references are done in the most obtuse, subversive, and humorous sense - which is why we are enamored and in some cases enamaled...and as we all now Walter has replied with an emphatic/hilarious "NO" to the query that the subjects of their songs might in any way reflect their own experiences...
Others that Possibly have tangential/obscure references or story lines that might have something to do with stardom, rock or otherwise, celebrity, junk-as-art thought, or certainly the LA lifestyle (the whole thing becomes blurred to Van Gogh potential) are below. Not sure I agree with all, but this is simply a compiled (incomplete) list. There has been the argument passed around that even entire albums are subversive jibes at the whole damn recording industry...
liner notes to Can't Buy a Thrill
Do it Again
Show Biz Kids - it's THE t-shirt to have kidz!
Razor Boy (chanteuse turned "lite rock" star)
Monkey in Your Soul - "I've got one and you want four"
Throw Back the Little Ones
Caves of Altamira
Aja - the desire to reach for a jazz nirvana above the king of pop quagmire?
Peg
Glamour Profession
West of Hollywood
Aus, I hope we've got them!
steviedan-I may be the last to hear of this guy (San Diego is still stuck in "classic rock 70's" for the most part) but a particularly progressive station featured a guitarist named Johnny A. Ever heard of him? He's a blues guitarist from Boston (hi lp!) and he's amazing. He played here with Jimmie Vaughan. Can't wait to pick up his CD.Hey there cara mia, chere, lp, wonderworm, Dr. Mu, angel, aus, dano....
Coming down to San Diego, St. Al? Make sure you time it to coincide with a Steely Damned show ;o) Send me an e-mail when you get some definite dates, okay?
Back to trying to take control of my desk......
Aja
Wormy's on the money...
Cheque that: Chester, PA.
FBI's on it.Aus
breaking on tape right now.......found a sheik's home with a huge lab making and producing the anthrax virus in Philadelphia, Penn.Aus
~, please let's not bring up Jackson Browne again...
stevierock star bent???
a song about a minstral show is hardly rock star material,
wrongo decadoa song about a glamour actress is hardly rock star material
now take any other artist of the decade, 70's
even someone as cool as Todd
and try finding someone not talking about the road, touring, concerts, themselves,etc..wt
Um. Better make that MISTER Anon.
Or do you only fight with girls?
yipes aus - that's what i get for reading too damn fast at work - should go back to the night shift - god, what a horrible fatenybill - you know, i used to be the queen of posting from obscure celebrities and/or public figures - stick to one or two and that's it - otherwise, people get rightfully pissed off at you
yes hank, the intro really gets me anticipated, it's really a perfect song in so many ways - good note, thanks
Stevie -I knew you'd come to your senses!NO!! NYBill can't be Clas, silly. And, you shouldn't take all of this so seriously, whomever you are.
shYou don't have to dance for me
I've seen your dance before
Hey Wormy -How about Peg --
I got your pin shot, your name in lights above it.
This is your big debut, it's like a dream come true.I'll bet there are more than this one and the previous 3 that I posted earler.
Later.
Steveedan
To Wormy (who wrote:) - is it just me or were the Dan the only popular 70's band not to write songs about being a rock star?I guess it is just you. Without much thought, I came up with the following lyrics from Pretzel Logic:
I would love to tour the southland in a traveling minstral show
Yes I'm dying to be a STAR, and make them laugh, sound just like a record on a phonograph ...Or, here is a stretch -- from Show Biz Kids
Show biz kids making movies of themselves you know they don't give a fuck about anybody else you know you go to Las Wages.
Or, another stretch -- from Glamour Profession
Celuloid bikers is Friday's theme.
So sorry to hear about the two victims who escaped the WTC disaster only to perish in yesterday's plane crash.Life is so precious and (can be so) fleeting.
Steveedan
Well there's more where that came from....LOTS MORE! LOL!
How about a nice Bobby Sherman post? or maybe a Carl Sagan
post? Or I know, how about a nice Henry Kissinger post?
Oh I can reel em' off believe me...don't get me started.Boy, Miss anon, you really know how to ask for it dont you?
P.S. All future references to the now defunct name of NYBill
will be disregarded. Thank You.
WHO CARES?
It's just easy scrolling past the compressed BS, whoever it is
Oh, come on! Isn't it obvious that NYBill = Clas? Who else would purposely be SO annoying?
worm-t: Nope, no SD songs about being a rock star, at least not in the self-indulgent, first-person sense of the word. Seems they were watching others along the way, though, if Show Biz Kids and Glamour Profession are any indication.lp: There's a lot going on in the title track to 2vN. Hearing the intro used on the opening of the Plush DVD makes me think it might have been a better choice for Track 1 on the CD instead of Gaslighting Abbie.
s-hips, i meant VAN's new show.
ygk - great! get the deal from aus - we are looking to do something that saturday night before his concert, i believe, the 8th, would love to see you up here - cocktail dress at cleaners as we post - nmn, you still in there, buddy? if that doesn't work, sunday brunch would be great too!
lp: hey, there.....ever notice when people are just talking to themselves for their own amusement?thinking about doing the Bean thing in early Dec
polish up the leather
ygk
Mr. Blake,Thats right! I'm bad, I'm nationwide.
aus: wow, i guess so, they will likely go at a ripe old age completely intacti have a good friend who was in special forces in vietnam (you know, the guys who were at the places we said we weren't) in the point postion of his platoon and he feels the same way with the number of close calls he has had while there and the number of platoons he went through - mind boggling stuff
There is no NYBill.
I was listening to 2vN yesterday and I have found a continual re-appreciation for the title track every time it's played, anyone else feel the same? or, a new-found appreciation for another song on that release?working under the influence of dayquil...
the latest: two victims from yesterday's ill fated American Airlines flight escaped the WTC disaster on Septebre 11.when your number's up, you numbre's up.
Aus
Downey, Simpson & Blake = NY BillNot funny jerkoff!
"I can see two tiny pictures of myself and there's one in each of your eyes....."
- William S. Burroughs (via Laurie Anderson)ygk
NY Times reported today on Elvis Costello's workouts with the Mingus Big Band/Orchestra."Elvis Sings Mingus" indeed.
Cara Mia: you mean you couldn't sing along with the Orchestra last year when we saw them with Randy Brecker?
FlaDavd: how's the vox? Are you putting any Mingus on the set?
Aus: home at 2AM - remembering your last spoken words - Nobu crowded?
wt: it looks like a week of trouble - you in NYC - an unencumbered Chairman Torres, and Manhattan. My, oh my.
twm: jinxed? nevah!
Ole: those adjectives - couldn't have said it better myself
Robert Blake: your post seems to resemble those of NYBill - are you sharing the same computer?
LadyBayside: How was the midwust? Great game. Know any Illini Alumnae?
Jenny: happy b-day (belated)
µ: how do you spell that?
Steviedan: whatta steal! personnel please....
"I can see two tiny pictures of myself and there's on in each of your eyes....."
Dear Warden,
Would you mind terribly if I asked you to send me my smoking
jacket and slippers which were apparently left behind on my
last trip to your lovely establishment? It would be greatly
appreciated. Also, I have been unable to find anyone in the
culinary industry who is familiar with the fare at your fine
institution, would you mind asking the cook for his recipes
for green slop, red slop, and white slop, so that i may pass
this information on to the team of chefs here at the estate?Thank you so much, and looking forward to seeing you soon!
Sincerely,
Robert (inmate #34625)
Ok..Ok look...I...I did'nt pull his glasses off of his face ok?
The guy was behind me, he was blowing his horn, I had my kids in
the car, I pulled over, I got out of the car, I pulled out my
knife and...... no, no wait, that's another story...
Now just a second officer, it was'nt me y'see? I was in the
restaurant at the time ok? What can I say, the woman had
enemies! What enemies? C'mon, what enemies...You remember me right? Baretta? You know the cop with the
white bird and all? Are these cuffs really necessary?
no time to scroll past just a few postsCara Mia - wonderful hikes - did 14 miles on the Appalachian Trail saturday and climbed Stone Mountain east of Atlanta sunday,
the beach in Gulf SHores was wonderful monday, and yes no spectacular colors -drought- but a pretty visual forest fire at dusk saturdayMingus - not as accessible, but give it another listen
I like what Jaco does all over Mingus and Don JuanStevieD - miss a concert for a yard sale, say it isn't so
then again pleasing the misses is important too
The first Xfiles episode was good, I still think they've been dragging things out a bit and what's with the sexuality thrown in (Gish's backside) to spice up the ratings (shame)
Our Canadian friend is doing fine.Auss, YGK and NYBIll - glad things are okay
New York of all places needs to be spared right nowis it just me or were the Dan the only popular 70's band not to write songs about being a rock star?
wt
StevieD~~ Joni's Mingus was my least favorite of all her works. I like melodic jazz and catchy tunes...things *I* can sing... never could cram that many syllables/words into notes, and therefore couldn't appreciate her labor of love. I do have that particular album cover autographed via one of those online dealers that subsequently her art director told me was a fake.
Disappointed by Mingus again... ;-)JJ~~ nice to see another Joni fan among us.
Wormy~~ actually I was South of you over the weekend in Hotlanta, and as you saw the trees were not bright this year. Must be the prolonged dry spell we are having. Hope your hike was fantastico. You certainly had the nice weather.
Hi to Dano, Chere, Angel, Oleander, Aus, JW, Aja, Stranger, Malc, and Earthbound (whose pics of the NY skyline make me cry these days) and all my Steely friends here.
Back to the saltmines of confused geriatric populations.
L-U-V,
cara mia
Aus, NYBill-Glad you're safe. How much more can you New Yorkers take?Don't answer that.Rockaway had enough casualties this year.
Everyone- Hello and be well.
future reference:a few days after losing a 21 year old cat is not the most optimal time to have a yard sale.
no time is optimal for a yard sale.
fela kuti is the black james brown.
... er... AFRICAN james brown.
wormy, don't feel too bad about missing elling. i had to blow off FREE brad mehldau tickets. yard sale bad. bad.
chere, you bless us sweet juju ree.
jjeff (this is your new composite handle. you're welcome, i think it's spiffy, too !), i LOVED the joni "mingus" album. my boy jaco p was all over that thing, production-wise. it just seemed like a natural progression for her at the time. cara, what do you think of that record ? speaking of mingus, sunday i purchased a mobile fidelity gold disc of "live at carnegie hall" for TWO BUCKS. i've already got the regular disc and the vinyl, but TWO BUCKS ????
i said "BUCK it !"...
i'm seriously concerned about blaise and clas now...
buck it, boys.
glad to hear from aus & z. aus, you are network material, man.
twm, al i'm used to 16 or more, they only have 8. i do not possess the illegal video. THAT illegal video.
happy bd to jenny-w
hey lady b-side
s-hips, congrats to val on her show. new files was not too bad. what did you think ?
i hope everyone will find their way to the new trees and i'm feeling assured that st. al will be keepin' it real over there as well...
"steviedan album of the week"(TM):
the latest steve vai discovery and offering from his favored nations label, "the grip" by greg koch. this dude is BAD in a danny gatton mode and that is not a name i would drop lightly.
Mark Vincent -- Welcome!Aus -- Good to hear that your relatives are safe and sound. I hope that Babes' nightmares have calmed down and they don't flare up. Sweet dreams to her and you.
Bill -- I didn't see any tiara in chat last night. Oh, that sparkle near the top of my head, why that's just the light in my eyes...
These plane things seem to happen when I'm having some serious troubles with my car and have to spend the night elsewhere than my own comfy bed...I guess it's a good thing I have to get another one, that one is bad luck!
aus - hope everyone is okay - how horriblewent with my 8 year old to see the movie out that has a couple of guys from In Stink in it - it was actually a pretty cute movie - the best part of course was the soundtrack, only partially In Stink and was dominated by the sounds of Al Green, very tasteful - music was produced by stewart copeland - ah yes, well, of course...
my daughter said that they said the "a" word too much (i didn't notice) and the guys thought they were just "soo cool" that they were "weird" - that's a good thing she feels that way right? and the kiss at the end, i cried and she covered her eyes - too funny
you say IP and i say ISP,
you say download and i say upload,
modem or cable,
let's throw the peecee out....
speaking of getting lives why yall wastin breath on this iptracking shit? its JUST A FUCKEN MESSAGE BOARD. go outside. breathe some fresh air.
shit,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Hope everybody's as OK as can be up in NYC. Tragic and nervewracking - it doesn't look like terrorism - malfunction??Just hated to see the path ending at the boyhood homestead of Mr. Becker (and my Dad).
Bill, you're right. We all can remember every other expletive screamed by John MacEnroe masked by one of those overhead jets during the US Open
Hey Y'all,Just to let you know, things here in the Metro New York area
are ok... The NYC mayor closed all bridges and tunnels for a
while but i understand that they are open now. The Long Island
Railroad (which many NYC workers use to get home from work) is
running on-schedule. I've been out this morning and this
afternoon and it seems like any other day, except for it being
Veterans Day with the Bank and Post Offices being closed.
Most people that I've spoken to are concerned but not
frieghtened or frozen like they were on September 11th. Of
course, I don't live in Queens County, I live in Nassau County.
I'm probably 15 miles from where this occured. I'm sure the
folks who live anywhere near JFK Airport are VERY upset over
this, I would be too. I would be upset because the officials
over at JFK have had the ability to have the planes take off
over water, and not over residential areas, for years...
This was completely avoidable and it's suprising that nothing
like this has'nt happened already, but you know how asshole
bureacrats are, Wait Until A Catastrophe Happens To Change
Anything! The residents of that area of Queens have been
arguing with the JFK officials for years over this...well
maybe they'll be listened to now...think so?Bill
Dano: always a pleasureDeacon: likewise
Dragon: glad someone read the TFF &SD posts … cost me $80.00 to get them typed up as my secretary's off on holiday at the moment (NOBODY TELL LINDA) please.
NY keep strong my family's thoughts are with you & yours over there at this most trying time.
One in one out 11/11 2001 Remembrance Sunday spent yesterday at the most beautiful christening of a best friend's daughter welcome to the world Faye Olivia Garbutt.
StAl: ref IP tracking can you really be bothered?
Most of the people on the GB have nothing to hide / lose so why spend your time tracking what must only be between 2-10% of losers.I would have thought that the last thing you want to do once you've tracked them is to communicate with them anyway..
They're sad as far as I'm concerned, & if you contact them (that's what they want) & you're opening a can of worms that should be left closed.If today's tragic events show us all anything it must be that life's to short for all this bullshit..
On a good note look's like breakfast in Kabul for our boy's tomorrow
To quote the BBC ''route'' & ''knife through butter'' now that's more like it.CC in NY if you're here thanks for the return e if you're in NY & OK please let me know
P.S. What is Butterfields wire ?Many thank's again StAl
db
Hope everyone in NYC is OK - Is there some sort of jinx on that place?
Third world man - fight outside at 4 o'clock for the right to use the name! I obviously need to post here more often.
PS - It was Fagin in Oliver Twist, Michael Fagan that spoke to the queen in her bedroom and Donald Fagen who is among the most talented singer/songwriters alive today.
Peace
Al
Regarding IP blocking: It's not that I have a life and Jim doesn't. I hope he doesn't mind speaking for him, but the beauty of Jim's guestbook is he's defined a set of rules which are easy to understand and hard to deviate from. I'm sure he rarely has to remove a post because people understand going in what to expect. Because I have no defined rules, this place gets a little hot at times and makes it almost impossible to manage. IP blocking is a tool I could use, but it'd take a major problem to force my hand.I will say right now, though, that I will probably exclude many IP masquerading services right off the bat. Levels the playing field in my opinion. Remember, I am the only one who will be able to view these IP addresses. If you have a problem with this, you should disconnect from the Internet NOW, because there really is no such thing as being anonymous.
NYBill: Just so you and everyone else knows, I can't see myself doing that sort of thing. I don't want regulars to feel uncomfortable that "big brother" is watching.
Angel: Plans are starting to form for a trip to Vegas/LA/San Diego in April. I don't want ot jinx anything until I know for sure. Stay tuned.
Aussie: Knowing a little about W1P, I know he was speaking from experience, when he made that comment. Definitely no criticism intended.z/x: Glad you are ok.
Aus, I apologize profusely -- the way my post about A300s reads could be interpreted as being critical but that wasn't my intent. Sorry again.Per AA news conference -- "A" check done yesterday. "B" check done in October.
Everybody ok. Thank God.which one's pink: sorry about the misinformation on the type of plane there mate. the news was breaking as I posted the news blast and that was what was fed to me.
dano, snakie, and ALL other well wishers: Thanks.
Aus
Aus , hope all is ok for your family mate , it will be on the six o clock news over here. Will keep a lookout on the TV.
Regards Dano.WIP , We could start a Steely Tribute Band Called
Steely Dan Dan.
Dear Air Traffic Controller,
It's good to know you care.
z- Just missed? Just think, you came 2 miles from being put out of your misery.Bill- Don't you know by now that St. Al doesn't want to be a baby sitter around here. Direct your IP/warning issues to Hoops. He's more likely to listen. St.Al HAS A LIFE!
Aircraft was an Airbus A-300. American does not fly 747s. The government is acting in a way that makes it appear that they do not believe this is terrorism. But its way too early to tell.
Good God! This time it crashed literally one or two miles from where I live! I'm glad I decided to sleep over my mumsy and daddy's house last nite. Every day we hear planes from JFK landing there, wondering, what would happen if one of them crashed into our houses?
Doctor Warren Kruger was chilling here with the otterhound when it happened, then he took off on the Belt Pkwy. with the pup in tow. Shit, one day out of prison for both of them and now they're back at it again!
Ole- make room in the trailer park for me and the doctor and pup, NY's getting way too dangerous a place to bring up an otterhound!
Aus - hope family and friends are ok.Bill - no snow, but 30 degrees here this morning. You don't really want snow, do ya? It can't snow yet, havent had my son put up my holiday light extravaganza!
Jenny - Thanks for letting me know you're ok.
shI believed that I was dreaming
Till the neighbors came out screaming
Aus: Just saw the plane crash thing on TV... Here we go again?St. AL:
Your solution seems to be the best choice. Anonymous posts don't
have to be blocked so long as YOU know who posted the message.
Then you can send that person an email and say "listen, that
last post was pretty much off the scale so I'm going to block
your IP adress for a week." That would work really well I think.
You can issue a "Time Out" like they do with kids in school...
lol!Angel:
The Hicksville High School Principle called. That book
report is WAY overdue...lol!Hips:
Is it snowing in Detroit yet? Send me some if it is...try to use
one of those leak-proof security envelopes though.Steveedan: Good Grief Batman! Should I be Robin or The Joker?
Dragon:
Excellent to talk to you again as always. Did I leave my tiara
in chat last night?LP: Is that cake done yet?
Hoops:
What are the chances of me getting a teaching position at the
University of Illinois? I could teach "Annoyance Studies".
That field is wide open from what I understand...Jim_ :
For the last time, you are NOT Jim or Jim# or Jim% or Jim^ or
Jim@ or Jim! or Jim* or Jim( or Jim+ or Jim& or Jim$ or Jim= or
Jim~ , Right?
Bill
City no in lockdown. All bridges and tunnels closed. All airports closed. Flight on the way to the Dominican Republic. Crashed minutes after takeoff= loaded with fuel.I have relatives that live two blocks away from impact....no words yet.
awful.
Aus
Live webcast for the TV-impaired:
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/section/0,1636,100-412,00.shtml
Confirmed.
An American Airlines 747 just crashed into Rockaway Beach Queens NY..a few homes on fire ...gigantic plumes of black smoke cover tyhe skies right now...uhhh
LP: I always root for the Orangemen. Not like that makes a bit of difference to their standings.Ironic veteran post. My husband just started a new job on Friday. So once again, the only Veteran in my house is working on Veteran's Day, while the little one and I get to have the day off.
Good day all....
RE: Last post- Are you that smart or did you steal that outterhound info off some website?
hey all - how about them Pat's huh? i was at the game, what a great day to be at a football game - only 2 fights broke out in my section, crowd was very sublime - very weird not seeing the fighter jets pass over, guess they are a little busy - and no more streaming ad's across the sky behind a small plane, only state police helicopters nowand the syracuse orangeman, is it true they are in secondin the big east? how long before they choke, any bets?
had my patricia barber cd on yesterday after church before heading off to the game, what a great cd, intriguing versions (can i say tributes?) of "she's a lady" and light my fire"
well, cleaning the house today and going to a movie with my 8 year old, princess diaries is my vote, and since i'm paying, well, you know
Otterhounds as Pets
Otterhounds make great pets, if -
- you have a sense of humor (and a fair amount of patience).
- you aren't obsessed with keeping your house/clothes spotless.
- you have a fenced yard.
- you just love that hound voice (and so do your neighbors!).
- you are looking for a pet and watchdog - but NOT a guard dog.
und dunt evah fergit it
Just by chance you crossed a diamond with a pearl..............
I like this site ,the posts are well,interesting,nice format too,
I'll be back.
Some people just can't take a joke. Or two or three...
BTW -- A History of Oughtahounds. Bred in the U.S. in early 1900's they oughta be able to swim, hence the webbed feet, they oughta be able to bark, loudly. They also oughta be able to sit still through brushings and not squirm like a little mutt. They oughta be a big dog, yet not oughta look too intimidating. They oughta have big warm brown eyes and oughta have long ears. And most of all they oughta know better than to hang with the likes of Dr. Warren Kruger. Do you know what kind of bad habits a dog can pick up in the kennel or worse in the pound? Shameful!
EVERYONE BUT DRAGON IS WELCOME! Well *almost* everyone.All the best,
Dragon Slayer
~~~~~~~~~~~~Re: Orlando DanFan NiteOut or DayOut ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chere --Well, from your post it looks like you are feeling much better. I certainly hope so. I was wondering if you would be interested in an Orlando DanNiteOut or Day out? Another GB regular and spouse have RSVP'ed but I feel that we need more than three, how about you and Floridavid for a start?
Hope you have found your dream car and are looking smart behind the wheel grrrl!Floridavid can you make it? No date or times have been set, we'll try and work with the first few RSVP'ers to tweak that.
ANYONE ELSE WELCOME -- well *almost* anyone else...
All the best,
Dragon
Oh, and one other thing. To the amatuer who thought they were enlightening all of us to the benefits of IP maquerading services. With IP address tracking will come IP address blocking. I could block Anonymizer.com's entire block of IP addresses, for instance.Go back to jerking off to Internet porn and leave this up to the real professionals.
StAl
Regarding IP addresses and anonymous posting.What, you think I don't know about anonymizer? Remember, punk, this is my business. I get paid very well to know about things like anonymizer. You've also probably not heard of the controversy surrounding many of the IP masquerading services. Things like FBI and NSA come to mind. Packet sniffing, etc. Go ahead and register with them. Have fun…
Fact is IP tracking will only be partially affective. It is my opinion it will reduce the amount of negative, anonymous posting but it will never stop it completely. Dr. U-thingy and I have been discussing, in email, the various levels of control I could implement with any new version of a guestbook. I'm going to copy the meat of our communications because I think it adequately expresses my opinion. Chris’s suggestion a few postings down is not a new one. In fact, I directly address the possibility of “forced registration” in the message below. Understand I’ve edited specific/personal information from what follows. It may appear disjointed, but the overall message is evident.
Mu – I hope you don’t mind, but I’m too lazy to type it all over again…
It is my opinion the "success" of this guestbook centers on a couple of key factors. Timing is probably the single biggest. However, I truly believe the simple interface and lack of heavy-handed direction from yours truly has an awful lot to do with it. A yellow canvas in which one can choose to paint whatever they wish. Obviously this is what often works against us, and therefore some consideration must be given to seek some sort of balance.
There are 2 very specific reasons I feel editing this particular GB is not the away to go. One, I simply don't have the time. I fear the idiots with too much time on their hands making my life miserable. But more importantly is where do you draw the line? Nothing against what Hoops is doing, but I'd rather watch paint dry than follow a highly focused discussion on Steely Dan (or SD related topics). Once you blur the line of acceptable topics, where does it end? What becomes acceptable and what isn't? And I certainly don't think I'm some sort of svengoulie who holds the key to the court. I'm a schumck who happens to have something that grabs peoples attention.
Back to your suggestion... I'm having really ambivalent feelings about instituting some sort of login procedure for posting. At this point we loose the graffiti-wall that I feel has been paramount to this forum's success. I really don't want to discourage anyone from posting here.
My dilemma is this. With forced registration it's not as simple as requiring a name and e-mail address. You have two choices. One, you have a book like Hoops’ where *something* must be placed in the name and e-mail field before you post. But does this really accomplish anything? Fact is I can go on there and flame the hell out of someone and the only recourse is for Hoop’s to *edit*. I say this is no better than what I've got going now. In regards to the yellow book that is. What keeps the rift-raft at bay on the blue book is not his demand you enter a "valid" e-mail address. The only true weapon against stopping all forms of flaming is the delete key. Again, no time for this..
Second -- A formal registration process like so many users forums on the Internet use today. The problem here is it must be automated. The way I see it is you must sign up for a handle with a valid e-mail. The program would then send a validation code or password to that e-mail address which would then allow the person to log in. This presents a whole other set of issues. One, where do I find such a script? I think it's vitally important to keep the same single page format we have today. I definitely do not want some threaded discussion board. Most of the freeware scripts I've seen at this level are threaded bulletin boards. Ick. Furthermore, if this process is not automated, there's no way I could manage it. Also, the rub here is if I institute some sort of formal registration process I think you loose some of the vitality and spontaneity of the original book. There are many over the years that've, because of the simple instant-nature of the current script, post something and end up sticking around. Would I loose this person by requiring a registration?
Anyway… You get the point. I’ve thought long and hard about all the possibilities. It is my opinion that tracking IP addresses in real time might help reduce the amount of negative flaming going on. I believe most or all of the anonymous posting are regulars who post under a name we all know. Now, let’s say I post under the name of StAlphonzo and “The REAL Truth.” If both postings originate from the same IP then I (and only I) will know these two people are the same. Are there loopholes in this strategy? ABSOLUTELY. Different ISPs, anonymoizers, etc. However, it is my belief that most of the negative crap is off-the-cuff posting. Spontaneous crap that if a person had to stop and think about whether they had to take the time to disguise themselves, they’d think twice. Let’s see was I at home, or at work, and where did I last post from? Was it from the AOL account, or was it from work? Shit? I don’t remember…
Steveedan -- the joke might have worked better if you had said you had a sudden craving for a steak, just like my joke last night about the five doors... would have done better if I hadn't had the leave part in there.
Brian's post -- brian cullinane@usa.net
Location: las vegas, nv. u.s.a.
Date: Wednesday, November 7, 19101 at 12:22:55
Comments: please enlighten me. ive always loved you guys. what are the chords to peg. please . its driving me nuts. the real thing please.
Nice little thing with the "to (sic)", very funny.Dragon
I met Miles Davis' daughter last night in an l.a. jazz club. it was really her. Miles' nephew plays drums in the band and she dropped by. I was awed. She's nice looking, smart, sophisticated, takes no shit (not that i gave her any). justlike her daddy.
Dan (that's my name too). There is no problem -- you nailed it. And if 95% of music people don't care, so what?
Re: vituperative anonymous posting, why not go to a registration model? The forums at nycsubway.org, another message board I frequent, work on this principle -- people register their handle, which is linked to their e-mail address; they enter this handle and password when they want to post. it cuts down on "identity borrowing" and puts the kibosh on anonymous flamefests. Anyone can read the posts, but since an actual e-mail address is required to post, it keeps the seventh-grade morons away.On the other hand, anonymity has its benefits . . . it's always amusing reading replies from "the chorus," and it affords one an opportunity for an alter ego (i admit to doing this, and I'm sure a number of regulars are guilty as well).
return to lurk mode . . .
Royal Scam's set at Trump Marina on Friday was simply amazing! These guys and gals are by far the classiest tribute to the Dan. The house was packed and not a second of dead air...truly awesome! If you closed your eyes you could have sworn a Steely Dan CD was playing.I can now get through my work week with a smile...:)
A Dan Fan and Royal Scam Fan Forever
http://www.anonymizer.comwhat an amatuer!
bwahahahahaha!
Sure? thanks.
Kruger: Oh no! I didn't know! Did I really defect? I thought I graduated.Illusion of Identity: Damn, I knew that. I have a Guest Book of my own. Silly Me. Carry On....
More like the Steely Darned
As if every longuylan weenie isn't just an laweenie wannebee anyway... Yer all such freaking emotional cowards...
As if an IP will make any difference... HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HA.
yeah, well at least I didn't desert NY when things got tough Angel. They're still talking about your defection to the Left Coast at Hicksville High.
And Bloomie (as his friends call him- I now being one of them)will do his best to turn our desecrated city back into the Sodom and Ghonerea that it once proudly was!
Triumphantly Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
St. Al: It just keeps getting better. First a possibility of a cool SD email address and now tracking of entries. Wow, can't wait. Oh, and what's the deal with April? Keep me in the loop and maybe we can meet up.Steveedan: Remarkably restrained post. I can't believe it.
Dr. Warren Kruger: You are the only person I know who is happy with those election results. Reminds me of when Adriana Huffington tried to buy the election in California.
Dragon: Longest post I ever saw from you, oh person of mystery.
Hope you get some wheels soon.Chere: Glad to see you.
Lovebob , That Monsters Inc opens here in UK in January.....Is it the same people that did Toy Story.....Is it as good as TS??
Me and my Tinlid cant wait to get the sides aching.Chere you in chat about 7pm Uk time.....2pm Eastern Time??
Steeve , WIP , Is it me or what.....Surely you go to see a Tribute Band to listen to music and enjoy yourself. If the band play the music of the band you like and its great then whats all the problem. Good music... Few Beers...End of Story.
Keep it up Dan ...Steeve...
Now it's time to respond to "The Truth". First off, I think that a better handle for this joker would be The Tooth, then when the tooth goes bad (like he has been lately) we can just pull him and toss him in the trash with the bloody gause pads.Too harsh ? Haven't you heard that sometimes the truth hurts ?
Let's look at this Tribute subject in a little more depth. Both Bob Tedde and I are taking our tribute (and TSD's video) thing a little bit to (sic) seriously. First of all, I am flattered that you have included me in the same sentence as Mr. Lovebob. He and his band are top notch musicians, so I thank you for the association.
I doubt that you are a musician, because if you were, then you would know how complex and difficult it is to play Steely Dan music well. Not only is it harmonically complex, but in order to perform this music correctly, one must be able to walk the line between the intensity of Rock and the cerebral mastery of Jazz. A lot of people can do one or the other, few can do both.
Not only are we not only tribute bands, but we pay tribute to some of the most intense music ever produced. Are you aware that outside of rock and pop music, there have been tribute bands for centuries? I am refering to orchestras and symphonies which play classical music, Operas, and Jazz tributes to Gershwin, Ellington, Armstrong, and many others. These are tributes and they keep history's most beloved music alive for future generations. I would like to think that The Steely Damned, The Steely Fan Band, the Doctor Wu band, Stealin' Dan, Nearly Dan, and other SD tribute bands are doing the same for the perpetulization of this great music. (And, Truth, if for some reason, you do not like the music of Steely Dan what the FUCK are you doing here?)
And don't let me forget to mention that I have seen Which One's Pink? only twice and I am aching for more! These guys rock, and their attention to detail and accuracy is truly impressive. Not to mention what a great guy W1P is (Hi DJ !). What he said about the great high you get being in a full room full of fans who like the same music you do (be it Floyd or Dan) gives you, well, something very similar to going to a concert by the actual bands. There is nothing wrong with that.
I also agree with W1P about the fact that we dedicated tribute band musicians are really happy and, yes, get a high, when we play the music in the privacy of our own rehearsals and it goes really well. This very experience is what fuels our desire to go out in public to share our excitement and joy about what we do with others who hopefully feel the same way and are entertained by what we do.
As for your comment about 95% of the rest of the music world not caring about a cover band, I do not agree with you, as there has been a resurgance of tribute bands. More now than ever. This might have to do with the fact that "today's music ain't got the same soul" or something like that. They are even making movies about the subject. The 95% figure you mention might be more about the amount of credible knowledge and intelligence that you DON'T have about the subject ...
It would not be your call to incite either Bob Tedde or me to give anyone a copy of the video tape of The Steely Damned. That decision remains with Bob (or me? - No, in the case of the Le Bar Bat tape that I surprisingly received, Bob and I talked about it and he politely requested that I do not give the tape out to others, and I, out of respect for his wishes, will comply with his request).
And in closing, you are right neither Bob Tedde and The Steely Damned, The Steely Fan Band and me, Doctor Wu, Which One's Pink?, nor the legion of other tribute bands are the real thing. I couldn't agree with you more. The genius of the original bands keep us all enthralled with their brillance and musical performances. We simply pay tribute to their lives and work.
Unfortunately for you Truth, you are the real thing. We all know exactly who and what you are.
You see, the truth really does hurt.
Just like W1P did, I too invite you to see our tribute band, or The Steely Damned live at a gig. You might be very pleasantly surprised by how much you are entertained by one of our bands.
I don't hate you Truth, I just think that you have a bad attitude. I do give you a little bit of credit by posting with your handle and not joining in with the anonybabies that leave their diaper stains around this otherwise great guest book.
Have a nice day.
Steveedan (Tribute band enthusiast)
Dragon -My line about craving meat was because Clem's last name is Porterhouse. If I have to explain the jokes, I make, then, they aren't jokes, they are just, well, not.
Truughth - next post, doo doo.
Stay tuned, diaper stain.
Steveedan
Hi Dragon -As I said, just let the events play out, you might find yourself in a better situation after all is said and done, just remember to adopt my proactive stance.
I think I missed Brian's (who's Brian?) post requesting some help with Steely Dan songs. If you are reading this, Brian, either post here or email me at the one under my name at the top of this post. It is a real email address.
St. Al - I appreciate your unswerving committment to maintaining the guest book. I will be looking for the new addresses when they become available.
Chere - Long time, no JuJu. Nice to see you back. About those Arabs at the foot of the bed with the knives, your dream drifted before these fools killed each other over Yanni, or something ...
Now for The Trooth ... Nah. I'm gonna devote my next post to you alone ... GET IT ?!?
Steveedan
Dear "The Truth" -- I completely agree with you that 95% of the music world could care less about cover/tribute bands. But then again, 95% of the music world could care less about the Dan. All of which proves nothing. If the original band or tribute band makes some people happy, then its all good. As for Which One's Pink? we have almost as much fun playing for ourselves in rehearsal as we do in front of 1100 at the House of Blues. It's just that the added presence of 1100 like-minded fans makes it a communal celebration of Floyd (and the same applies with the Steely Damned). Much better than sitting in the dark by yourself with The Wall or The Royal Scam cranked at full volume (which of course cannot match the power of the music played through a live PA) You're invited, of course, to share the positive vibrations, Mon. Have a super day.
I must apologize for not writing much recently,I've been trying to milk this WTC thing for as much as I can get and it just hasn't been working out well at all.
The OH angle was a failure in Afghanistan as well as at Ground Zero. When it was clear the hound was as familiar with Mohammed Aytta's circle as I am with medical ethics, we were on the plane back to JFK in no time, with both me and the pup doing a little hard time for fraud again.
But there is some good news. Recently, this wonderful town elected a new mayor who is a man after my own very heart. I mean, who could run this wasteland better than a billionaire businessman?
I've already hit him with a few proposals from prison that seem to be going over very big with his crowd, involving saving money by eliminating as much fat from the City's payroll (soup kitchens, teachers, social workers etc...)as possible and parlaying that money into more profitable enterprises that I can't disclose here yet.
So it looks like it's going to be back in the highlife for yours truly and, don't worry, once I get going (and out of jail)there are going to be a lot of yacht parties I can get that Steely Dan fellow booked on so, one hand washes the other hand and together we can really CLEAN up!
Optimistically Yours,
Dr. Warren K.
St.Al- No, I'm not an asshole. Just telling it like it is. Speaking of assholes, how's your partner Clas?
Truth: Are you an asshole in real life or do you just play one on this guestbook?Can't wait for IP address tracking on the guestbook script.
Bob: Kids are a trip, ain't they? Save that energy for April... San Diego here I come...
Chere: Good to see you again.
"Fagan" is the skeevy guy ffom "Oliver," you idiot.How 'bout dem Bears?!
"Fagan" is the guy form "Oliver," you idiot.How 'bout dem Bears?!
One more thing, if you've nothing planned for this Sunday, go buy Pat Metheny Imaginary day on VHS or DVD and watch it. It is all about like
" Follow me into the dream to discover a story within a story, feel the heat of the day look across the skyand with your soul see the roots of coincidence and know too soon tomorrow the awakening of an imaginary day.""You know it's not who ya love, but do ya love and if do ya love then how ya love"
I love you. - Chere
"There were Arabs with kniv