Signed in stranger

Name: Mike and the Mechanized Humz
Post Genesis

Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 23:59:57
Comments:

...and if we like Phillip K. Dick, what does that make us? Humz?

Actually I've read nothing by the man nor have I heard is music.
chimney.

Ho Ho Ho!

Buzz

Hey Nineteen - That's Fagen not Fagan.

Oleander - If we like Thelonious Monk, does that make us Monk -ey women?

Aja

Edd: Well, you've done your homework and are in line for a gold-foil adhesive star.
Mr. Himes has also engineered Jerry Jeff Walker, Joe Ely and most recently....me.
Chet swears he was entrusted with Fagen's original 24 track recordings of the Nightfly which were hustled off to Porcaro and numerous other musicians for dubbing purposes. The "looping" process was interesting as the tape was guided through several rooms. There was even a splicing block involved!
That's the best I can do without driving Chet to a notary. I'll see him on Tuesday and try to take notes if my fingers aren't too sore.
So have my mug-shots disappeared?
Sly Slimmy

My wife is a fan of Philip K. Dick. Aren't there many links between his sci-fi and SD? And what is it with Muzak these days? Their office format where I work includes nearly fifty Steely adaptations, many of which are quite good. I am a moonlighting keyboard musician and marvel at Fagan's genious. His songs are musically structured like no other. I have worked up a number of Dan tunes that I play with my key rig and every one is a challenge in itself. Why can I listen to Deacon again and again and still find it fresh? Anyone interested in hearing my renditions let me know. They can be made available at no cost. My gig goes by the name of "Hey Nineteen".

Well now, sure enough, there *is* a Chet Himes in Austin who's engineered works for SRV, Christopher Cross, and Carole King. I stand corrected.

I'm still, however, not buying into the rest of the story until I get some more datums.

Edd

Sam: Hi. I'm new to this guest book too and everyone is surprisingly sane considering they've all had some major Dannage in their past.

Edd: Chet Himes. A brilliant engineer who works primarily in Austin now.

re: Slimmy

I'm still not believing you. Does "Chet" have a last name? Can anybody other than you see him?

Edd

amazing. i'm a 45 year old dan fan, proud to say i saw them in the 70's at pauls mall is boston with half of weather report. this is the olny intelegent "chat" area i've found in 18 months of web "surfing". Good for you all... call me deacon blue

"One Instant's toil to thee denied
Stands all Eternity's offence,
Of that I did with Thee to guide
To Thee, through Thee, be excellence.
Who, lest all thought of Eden fade,
Bring'st Eden to the craftsman's brain
Godlike to muse o'er his own trade
And Manlike stand with God again."

There are no art crimes. Only gravity climbers and red ochre.
See you in the Caves....

Mr. Stew--Thanx for the tip. I'll try to trace the cd, but if I can't, I appreciate your offer & will e u.

Roy--You are too. BTW, there's a star in the Book of Unsung Git-tar Heroes in your, Slimy's, & Clas' name. Sorry, got a bit maudlin there, eh? Now let me make one thing perfectly clear--the silly-gism is what I interpreted Clas to say. It was not my own. You all having a slow Thanksgiving weekend too, hm?

Clas--not a very big world, is it?

Tell you what I did instead of going to see "Flubber" or "Alien Ad Nauseam." I read William Gibson's "Idoru." And found some very interesting things. Craig noted below the references to Klaus & the Rooster and a club called "The Western World." And on 9/16/96 in the Digest, Henry L. Chapman relates a brief conversation with Gibson at a book signing just after "Idoru's" pub. in which Gibson says he's a big Fagen fan and puts in lots of Dan refs in his books (there are "tons of...Steely Dan shags in "Neuromancer.' ") But I was struck, nay, bowled over by what appears to be a costarring role by The Dan. Bear with me here.

The 14-year-old heroine, Chia, loves a band called Lo/Rez, who'd been around a while:

"The wall opposite Chia's bed was decorated with a six-by-six laser blowup of the cover of 'Lo/Rez Skyline,' their first album. Not the one you got if you bought it today, but the original, the group shot they'd done for that crucial first release on the indie Dog Soup label....It was still her favorite, and not just, as her mother frequently suggested, because they all still looked so young. Her mother didn't like that the members of Lo/Rez were nearly as old as she was."

Hey fourteen! The picture portrays "Rez with his shirt open (but entirely ironically) and Lo with his grin and a prototype mustache that hadn't quite grown in." Sounds just like a lot of pix of early Fagen & Becker I've seen.

There's also a scene at a "love hotel" in which Chia finds a cabinet full of shrink-wrapped dildos.

The (anti)hero, Laney, meets Rez at the Western World: he "knew from his day's video education that Lo/Rez were theoretically a duo, but that there were always at least two other 'members,' usually more. And Rez had been adamant from the start about his dislike of drum machines."

Wow! 21st century Dan! And if you take their first indie label's initials and reverse them....And Gibson's cover photo was taken by the same guy who did the Dan for "Greatest Hits." There are numerous writerly dissimilarities, of course--for one, Lo/Rez are "prolific" and consistent producers of 27 albums (I wish!). Now help me, you who have read the book: is this Paul-is-dead stuff; have I been channeling Derrida; or was this just a really slow holiday weekend? It's not the turkey tryptophan, Slim, since I don't eat it. BTW, IMHO this is another terrific Gibson book, SD "shags" or no.

Gibson also has many interesting things to say about celebrity and loyal fandom, e.g.:

..."each account [in the fan club database was] illuminated with the importance the event had held for whoever had posted it. This...[was] the most peculiar aspect of this data, the perspective in which these two loomed. Human in every detail but then not so. Everything scrupulously, fanatically accurate, probably, but always assembled around the hollow armature of celebrity. He could see celebrity here...as a paradoxical quality inherent in the substance of the world. He saw that the quantity of data accumulated here by the band's fans was much greater than everything the band themselves had ever generated. And their actual art, the music and the videos, was the merest fraction of that."

Ecce Dandom.

(cont.) ...but let me tell you Tony Dow could plant a mean haymaker when he was eating those little green and white capsules.

Feeling I've said too much, too soon...

"That's Slimmy, not Slimey, Mr. Mathers..."

While I want to address all of you as a "Borg-like" colony where a single statement can apply to all, I realize life on earth hasn't progressed enough for that to happen, so...

Edd: Chet's eye has opened and luckily he has no recollection of the Head-Butt Endurance Contest, nor the ether infusion round that kept him in the game. However, he does recall with utter clarity the day he was contacted by Roger Nichols to transfer the original MCI 24-track analog "Nightfly" session tapes to a 32 track 3M digital recorder prior to mastering. Between shuddering gulps of air he also said this: "Laura's Theme" by Cristopher Cross was the FIRST DDD hit pop recording. (Makes you really appreciate the digital realm, eh?)

Roy: While growing up in Akron my father absolutely forbade any talk of "Riley" or "The Babe" for that matter. Sure, I thought my famous lineage might propell me into the "Little Ricky" circle--who wouldn't? But by the time "Barbarella" came out I couldn't even afford a Vu Master! Sure, doubling for Eddy Haskell had it's rewards--but let me

"When Black Friday comes, I'm gonna stake my claim/
To that Nintendo game."

Crustaceous: For twin songs I suggest "Pearl of the Quarter" and "Junkie Girl". Can New Orleans be considered a 'college town'? Anyway, she's still got a place to go.

Oleander: You win the What-the-Guestbook-Means-to-Me Essay Contest hands down. Stellar wordcrafting as usual, but who are you calling smart?----Your Becker syllogism made me thank my lucky stars I'm not a genius.

Slimmy Bendix: Don't toy with me: are you really Riley's son? Would you please say "What a revoltin' development this turned out to be." for us?----Loved your Sean Connery "Outland" excerpt, but your turkey baster image was dark and disturbing.----
Speaking of attention-demanding turntables, I once had a Moby Grape album that required that you change the rotation speed to 78 in the middle of the record (the point at which Arthur Godfrey sang a song with them). If you didn't get up and make the change, the record would keep spinning forever without advancing. Try dealing with that after heavy medication.

Clas & Question guy: My HO is that Kamakiriad is a collection of good songs that perhaps suffered from being forced into a concept gimmick. I'd say that the stand-alone songs (the ones independent of the fictional story line) are the best. But wouldn't you agree that the instrumental introductions in Kama are as good as any Steely Dan intros? (e.g.- Countermoon, Tomorrow's Girls, TIS).

RS

Mr. Stewart; did you know that we live on the same longitud? Nr 63. Wasn´t that a funny thing? Do we live on the same wavelength as well?

Huha,

c

Oleander/Lisa; yes, three dotts, noting more and nossing less. Got itt?...."

Oleander, it´s funny, when we dicussed this drug-thing, you sounded more Swedish than a Swede.

And I liked that.

Would you mind if I fell in love with you? I mean; if I fell in love with you too?

(no missunderstandings here Ruby! You will always be number one, 1)

c

PS

Who the hell said that 11TOW was bad? Hat Too Flat is a VERY good song, one of the best. But I agree on Kamakiriad, steril, cold, no heart. Perfection maybe, but who needs perfection? The ruler? )

As a newly saved convert to vinyl I'de like to find out the whereabouts of a couple of reputable dealers of such Dan material.

Anybody notice how knowing you'll have to get up and turn the record over in 20 minutes makes you LISTEN to what you're hearing?

I'de almost forgotten why 1964 -1986 was such a memorable time to me. (No 100 disc lo-fi CD changers...)

P.S. Anybody willing to make me a cassette of "Apogee"? I can't find it anywhere.

Avoiding the Malls,

Son of William

Hey dudes (yeah, dudes), someone recently told me that I had his 'dander' up, when he came to know that I am a SD fan! Of course, he didn't know that we don't do 'dander' in India, we do Steely Dan!!

oleander: My favorite version of "Friday the 13th" is on Thelonious Monk Reflections, Vol. 1 which I think may be hard to get ahold of. Recorded on November 13th, 1953. E-mail me your address and I'd be glad to tape that album for you. Another version is on The Thelonious Monk Orchestra at Town Hall, Feb. 28, 1959.

Take Care everyone:
Mr. Stewart

Hey Q: that would be a great compilation...but I think Becker took a blow-torch to the 'Dallas'/'Sail the Waterway' master....
...the 'Gold Teeth' version I referred to was on some live bootleg I heard once from circa '74.....

Ed (Warren) beatty: your BMG number is 2071298.....great compilation...but the liner notes are weak...and somehow MCA put that terrible edited version of FM on it....plus all those tracks scrapped from the 1977-78 sessions remain in the vaults of Becker? or Nichols? or MCA?...it's a conspiracy I tell you

Happy Turkey Day etc...to all the loyal Steely Fans everywhere.....

Sean Connery: "Looks like this naked singularity's a dad-burned worm-hole, men!"

Ears McCann: "...and it's sucking us into the Steely Dan Guest Book, Sir!"

Oleander: Thank you so much for the vino. I remain teased by its impertinence. Do you like Turkey? My wife and daughter make a mean fowl. I can't wait until tomorrow morning when I get to tell them it's "time to flip the bird"! Plus, they're impressed with anyone who can spell, "hors d'oeuvres".

Edd: In regards to the Question Guy, some people just don't appreciate something new from Charlie Tokyo.

Roy: I've tasted some wonderful pasta, but this GB is loaded with the most dangerous noodles I've ever been tossed with.

Clas: If you can send some of your mutt's frozen jizz I'll see if Ma's turkey baster is copacetic. (Please, no photos of the extraction process...)

Peace and Pie,

Son of William

StevieDan, I do dig your proposed compilation album- but alsas the dynamic duo probably could'nt get BIG BROTHER MCA's attention- not enough "sell through"( that's why I (never started) never suceeded in my infamous SD bootlegging career!!). Which is the Gold Teeth II live performance your alluding to ?? Jon - Happy Turkey to you and the family. As a full comission broker I can't conscienably recommend the no load fund-however S&P's "all the rage"(but damn if my hedge fund ain't workin out great)- so here are some off hand picks- all PROBE label DAN albums, ALL sealed original issue DAN albums inclding audiophile vinyl, CBAT on all original issue UK lbls(ie Probe or ABC), all Japanese original ABC first issue SD albums(particularly Katy Lied), The MOFI gold discs of AJA(Ultradisc I best) and Gaucho(Ultradisc II IMHO), The US MCA issue of SD GOLD(some unique and meritous mastering on certain cuts)-REMEMBER it's all in the music-IMHO the louder and cleaner,etc.,the better- ........... and for a 2year hold, higher risk(and all the other obligatory diclaimers) "flyer" look at DHTI & CPRD.

Hi,

Is there someone out there who has the BMG order number for the
Citizen Dan Box set.
I would be most grateful.

I recall when I was small how I spent my days alone....

Hi,

Is there someone out there who has the BMG order number for the
Citizen Dan Box set.
I would be most grateful.

I recall when I was small how I spent my days alone....

Clas--Sorry, I forgot:

Walter Becker is a genius.

Walter Becker was a drug addict.

Therefore, all drug addicts are geniuses.

That's how I interpreted your tautology. Am I wrong? I liked what you said about influences on kids. Having mine sure made me sit a little straighter, think a lot harder, and deliberate more about choices. And made me realize that I couldn't be a pacifist. Plus, they are really good at catching you out in contradictions and lies. And what Aja & Raz' said about being a parent--right on.

Excuse me--no Thanksgiving in Sweden--happy weekend.

Slimmy: You mean Lance Link played a Silvertone just like mine. This is the bossest. He's my favorite Bogart-talkin' simian by far. (Survival tip: Lancelot Link on the tube, Steely Dan on the turntable, two jays, and a box of Krispie Kremes can go a long ways toward getting you through the seventies.)--- I never had a Silvertone maxi-tube amp, but my guess is that it was indestructible. -- My springer spaniel wants to meet your dobie-in-heat; ever since he read your post he's been making smutty remarks about sharing his bone.

Libation and Sensation to all,
RS

re: Guy w/?

I see no reason why any artist should put out anything other than what *they* want to release. They owe us nothing.

Conversely, nobody is forced to maintain their "fanhood". If the artist's current output no longer pleases a fan, the fan can easily walk away from it.

If you don't like their current stuff, simply don't listen to it.

Personally, I don't want to hear "The Second Arrangement" or "Kulee Babba" on a new release. Those are practically 20 year old tunes. I'd rather hear some growth...

Edd

Now that I've had a few years to let things sink in, I really have to say that "Kamakiriad" and "Eleven Tracks of Whack" were really, really bad ideas. What were those guys thinking? A epic about a steampowered bubble car? Give me a break. What a horrible piece of work. I that Warner Bros. has dropped the album from their catalog it was such a mess and a non-enduring type of album. And while "Eleven Tracks" was slightly more edgy, it still was an embarrassment. "Hat Too Flat" is absolutely the worst song ever. Unlistenable. Is this really the same people who came up with "Deacon Blues" and "Hey 19"? I pray to God new album doesn't turn out to be "Eleven Tracks of Kamakiriad." I'd rather them re-record "The Second Arrangement" and "Kulli Baba" and put it out for real, than come up with more of the forgettable nonsense like "Cash Only Island" and "Wet Side Story."

I've been away on a meditation retreat--not!

What is the GB--karass or granfalloon?

Doc Mew--liked your reflections on creativity. Bet you ARE creative in many ways you may not even think you are. I also think artists/really creative people are wired differently, and are also able to let themselves be led wherever their fire takes them. I just read "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman," and that's one thing that sticks out--you just do it, and damn the conventions. Or consequences. (Which is where the tragedies happen.)

Roy & Johnboy--Methinks Roys' succinct definition of use v. abuse is it. A perfect distillation of why it's so hard to draw that line--or, St. Al, the line between lawfulness & lawlessness. It's easy to draw a line between two very distant points, but not in the middle of a gray zone. Oh, & St. A--what you said about drug use was precisely my point. BTW, I not only jaywalk, I speed.

Jon--glad to see you--or your font, anyway.

Mr. Stew--Which album is "Friday the 13th" on?

Music notes--the Drepung Loseling monks (Tibetan refugees) were here last week and gave two sold-out performances. They also did a tantric ceremony for the public which was powerful and lovely. Steely tie-in: I listened to "Surf and/or Die" all the way home. And I just listened to an absolutely gorgeous piece of music--on the first Kurt Weill tribute CD from '85, "Lost in the Stars," Carla Bley did an arrangement of the title tune with Phil Woods which knocks me off my feet.

happy holidays. TUMS to all.

I've always wondered if those responsible for making the scifi movie "Outland" (1981) --Sean Connery as the marshall -- got
any of their inspiration from "Sign in Stranger", which seems to
deal with an essentially outlaw colony inhabiting a moon or space station (Mizar 5). Any resonations on this? "My Rival" seems to have a similar flavor to "Sign in Stranger" in regard to
the ragged, hardbitten characters portrayed. I'd be interested in
hearing about SD songs which seem to have "twins" in other albums. Comments...cream pies?

Brett--Come over here and sit down. Let me get you a glass of wine and some hors d'oeuvres. I agree with Roy & St. Al about GB content. It changes, it grows...but what it does for me is give me a place where I can be the Danfan I am with others of a similar persuasion who share quirky and unpredictable bits of a worldview and are smart, irreverent, rich in all sorts of experience, sometimes obnoxious, always keeping me on my toes and rolling in the aisles, in a different way than other parts of my life. A nine-to-fiver with kids & mortgage like me can't fly with the spontaneity I'd necessarily like to, so this is one place to get it. And if you read between the lines, there's almost always a subtle Steely tie-in. If you don't already get it, a more distilled Dan source is the Digest of Hoops McKay (see Banyan Tree links)--it's the bee's knees. Now, everybody, give us a verse of "Auld Lang Syne...."

Craig--Yes, Gibsonian refs have been noted....Don't they just make you grin all over? I just picked up "Idoru" a few weeks ago, and after Number One Son finishes it, I'm on it.

lisa--Why don't we just get one of those driver's ed models with dual controls? Actually, I think it would be more fun to sit in Roy's lap. Now listen, a word of warning about Clas aka the Dot Police....You have to be really careful....He counts.

TGITG to y'all new folks.

Roy

I'm familiar with that particular butcher-block Silvertone. The sun-burst body was achieved by exposing the instrument to an actual solar flare at 30 paces. Even Slinkys couldn't touch the fret board. I just had to have it once I saw Lancelot Link jamming on one. Good thing they also made the matching Silvertone twin 10" tube amp. Was this not the most dangerous electronics ever enclosed in particle board? The older the tubes, the better. I still play it when my female Doberman's in heat. No Fender blood in my favorite bitch!

Edd: I've just sent a wireless to Chet so he can explain the whole Nightfly recording process. I did this in spite of the fact that his right eye is probably still closed shut thanks to the "Head-Butt Endurance Competition" he and Barney initiated last week while studying the unstable composition of ether molecules. If you don't hear back from me I'm probably dead. God, art is strenuous--maybe even ASTRONAUT TOUGH!

album idea: (anybody from MCA Records or WEA listening??...)
Steely Dan : Rare Dan...Live & Otherwise (Giant Records/MCA)

Side one- Dallas
Everyone' Gone To the Movies
Sail The Waterway
Do It Again (live)
Your Gold Teeth II (live)
Reeling In the Years (live)
Side two-
Do It Again (edited version)
Show Biz Kids (live w/ Mike McDonald)
Chain Lightning (alternative mix)
The Fez (disco mix)
Tommorrows Girls (live)
Confide In Me
Big Noise New York
FM (live)
Everyone's Gone To the Movies (live w/Becker on vocals).........does this sound like a great album or what???

go with the no-load S&P Index

Q-you wisen-heimer, you. Now cut that out! Howz it goin' my man? Anything new to report? Gotta love those Bucs! Or not...Give me the next Intel, or should I just stick to a no-load mutual fund that tracks the S & P 500 index?

Later, dude.

Roy Scam; yes, those guitars separeted men from pussys.

Clas, Barn: You wanna talk bad guitar action. I learned to play back when men were men and guitars were heavy machinery. My parents gave me a Sears Silvertone acoustic (one of those guaranteed-not-to-crack models): I think the original strings were ski-lift cables and you could slide a surfboard between the frets and the strings. This was enhanced by the fact that the volume projection was equivalent to an electric guitar with the electricity turned off. By the time I mastered "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright", I had Popeye forearms and could break bricks with my fingertips. (That Silvertone is still used on the docks of Lake Michigan for blocking and bracing purposes.) I think every aspiring guitarist should teach himself on an instrument of that type; every guitar thereafter feels like liquid silk.

Mr.Stew: Proudly, I only suffer from five of the addictions you mentioned. See Stevie Dan's recent post for other signs of addictive behaviour.

Did Donald Fagen and Ry Cooder record together? I've seen Ry and Randy Newman play together and it was a good blend. Fagen/Cooder would have to work. Was it Rick Derringer that did that Cooder-like rif on "Show Biz Kids"?

RS

Chet who? Barney who?

"Memory hungry" square waves? Memory used = word size * sampling rate.

It doesn't compute. I suspect high bullshit factor skew. Will re-evaluate if given more info.

Edd

Edd: "Mixed" doesn't mean "Recorded".

Clas: Are you a Constorstionist?

Dr. Mu: Ry Cooder is Sweet William now.

Anybody got a B.C. Powder?

Chet remixed the bass and percussion of the Nightfly
to analog from digital, then back to digital for the CD version. Something about square waves being better for the low end than sine waves. Barney said square waves are "memory" hungry, whatever that means.

Hey, anybody got a sandwich? I'll settle for a good, clean vinyl copy of Peter Gabriel's "Security"--another fine digital to analog lathe-job.

maj. : Walter was birthed Feb. 20th, 1950, Fagen Jan. 10, 1948...
Interesting words re: The iNtuitive. They're paving the parking lot outside my window, got a nice asphalt buzz happening - I suggest you grab the next bus out.

mW

Jon-I'm SURE Kinky has a "dub" for you !!!!!!!!! Best Wishes, Q

Joe M.

Fabulous show! I'd kill to get to the Beacon show. All of Imaginary Day was played and quite nicely. He trotted out the old concert chestnuts as well. Email me directly if you want the set list. Orpheum's acoustics are great and they played flawlessly. Pat is fast becoming the Bill Evans of the acoustic guitar. (Lyle is already there.) Due to tape player malfunction, or more precisely, taper malfunction, I caught only 1st third and 3rd third of show. This is extremely vexatious as you might well imagine. Is there any way you can get an audience dub of the Beacon show? Needless to say a king's ransom is yours for the asking if you can. Contact me for further info of any kind.

dr mu: i was under the impression that the secret of jet propulsion is throwing bloody marys back real fast...drats!! no wonder i have remained in stasis for so long...this guestbook has proven to be quite benificial in my cathartic meanderings...

the biz

lisa: careful about being completely "bacteria-free"...have you taken a *run* of antibiotics lately? On the other hand, Isaac Asimov once mentioned that the secret of jet propulsion was throwing mass back real fast. Stay out of the wake!

Slimmy: My understanding was that Ry Cooder and Donald Fagen recorded the first pop all-digital recordings..but then I wasn't there.

C: THC is wonderful for discomfort of unfortunate cancer patients, but is does tend to flatten out brain waves and reduces their diversity (frequency distribution by Fourier transform). Case in point: Paul McCartney. / My favorite song is Dr. Wu which contains those dreaded "mu" chords rife throughout Katy Lied.

clas dear: thanx for pointing out my mistake with the quote...i realize how crucial it is for me to be gramatically correct when posting high brow manure...i suppose it would be appropriate to add that your spelling isn't exactly perfect...but i am of a forgiving nature and won't be petty enough to include examples...
as for our duet...i find myself in a submissive mode lately, preferring that you lead and i take second...my days as a dominatrix are sadly passed...can you handle a big-breasted wench that needs taming??

roy: i would never be careless with the universe! rest assured while i am at the helm, all beings are 100% safe and bacteria free...btw, i have a remedy for that metaphysical throbber, but you have to BELIEVE...oh, do you think anyone notices that fragrent smoke billowing out from the windows?

fez: the golf here is quite abundant...but speaking from a single girl's point of view, the plaid-pant wearing golfers leave something to be desired...

thanksgiving dinner at my house?
i can post directions...

the biz

hey folks. would be very interested in some unofficial recordings from most recent tour (summer 96). if you have or can help, please let me know. thx.

As one of the UK's (nay, the World's) most dedicated Dan Fans I was delighted to discover this site when browsing on my newly installed Internet software.

Keep up the good work

The liner says "The Nightfly" was mixed entirely on 3M digital 32 track machines. Seems stoopid to keep parts of it analog, especially parts so prone to saturation. (And if it went to CD it had to go digital at *some* point.)

...and who is Barney?

Edd

Brett; why not "The Distorsions"?

I met a guy named Chet who worked with Barney when they were remixing the Nightfly for CD. He said they kept the drums and bass analog. Is this true? Chet is an engineer in Austin.

Thank you Clas, Q, R. Scam, St Al., Mr. Stewart, C and...Fez.

I played some bad action too. You should see the callouses on my fingers today! A guitar is a block of wood and some --but just try telling your brother that--especially with all that distortion!

What shall we call ourselves?

The Crickets?

Isn't Walter's birthday coming up soon?

Biscuits for everyone...

maj.

Hot on the heels of his adept and romping release "Unspoken"
back in October, Dan soloist Chris Potter is the featured guest for "Jazz At Noon" at St. Martin in NYC this Friday for
the second time this year.

Okay Jon, where's the Boston PMG review? I'd like to get a
primer for Wednesday's show at The Beacon...

i think the wide range of themes posted provides a real variety to the guestbook. kinda reminds of a pointless college days ramble. it did, though, confuse me on my first arrival. maybe there should be a rule: one out of every five posts has to be SD related

lisa: how's the golf in pinehurst

Claus-none of us are obsessed with you- this is a board for being obsessed with Steely Dan artcrimes.

mr Stewart; of course, in that context you are right.

Dr MU; did you take your nickname from the MU-puzzle? I am serious here, did you?

Q; Ok, I am a needy person. But, as I said to mr Kinky, why are you so obsessed with me. A Swede? A jerkish, Swedish moron? Why just not ignore me. Do you love me fuckhead? Or what? You are so damn stupid so I piti you. Idiot. Ptuiii, barf, mudcity.

C

Roy. Scam: You're a very humorous individual. Let's get naked with Barney. Aunt Ethel says "Hey".

Clas: Other potentially harmful addictions: Running, High Fat/Sodium foods (which have begun to monopolize some school lunch programs), Watching 20 hours of Tee Vee a week, Shopping, Wife Swapping, Money, Religious Fervor, Big Oil, Getting Little Robots To Mars To see The Red Rocks Up Close while people starve here, making a list of potentially harmful addictions on the GB and feeling stressed because it has nothing to do with Steely Dan (to whom I am addicted). So don't noone come wag your finger at me. To each his/her own.

I postulate that much of the Dan's music was not inspired by Don and Walt's daily jog through Central Park. There. I tied it all together.

Mr. Stewart

I pick 2!

2 gives us the most options (the best of which is NO RULES), including the occasional talk of things Steely Dan. Barney can hug a root, which it would be my guess he's rather good at...

Clas, buddy: You are correct. Cannabis is not harmless, unless you compare it to your professed drug of choice....(that's four)

StAl

Recent postings have suggested that some of our digressions, opininations, personal salutations, etc. are mere clutter that disrupts the purity of this site. (Clas, was that mature of you to respond to the gentleman's criticism with a filibuster?)
Is this the general consensus?
Is this 1) a bulletin board for concise, directly Dan related factoids and updates 2) a no-rules forum for creative input, emotional outlet, what if-ing, Gomer saying "Hey" to Goober, and writing open letters to friends and adversaries you'll probably never meet, or 3) something in between?
Without the rambling and fraternization, many of us would probably just read and surf on. In my case, that would certainly enhance the brevity and relevance of the postings, but I'd miss it.
I submit that the judgement of content should be up to our site creator, the Fez, the Grand Pubah of SIS, the Big Bang himself: St. Al. Should the fraternalizationists and self serving drivelers take our talent somewhere and be naked? (How was that worded again?)

Happy Thanksgiving Ole,Q,Stew,Clas,Al,Jon,YGK,Barn, Aj, Lis, Rub,SFK,Col,DrM,Joe,Edd,maj,mW,kawai,don,walt,Lib,jimM,max,kink,gauch,jamaic,PF,and the rest of you pilgrims and Indians,
RS

Boy, we do need an album or a tour- Kinky is now reduced to stealing Wayne Krantz shows, Claus's pathetic blathering about his alcaholism(is it any wonder given his "needy" persona), all this pontificating and self serving drivel about drugs and morality.....what next???? My guess- Kinky reveals he's a pedophile and seeks help on the Clausbook.

Brett Barney;

Hi! When I was 12 or 13 I was learning to play the guitar. My dad had one of those old orchestra-guitars where the strings sat two centimeters from the neck, you had to push real hard to make it sound like something.

I had heard a lot of guitar players who had this magical Distorsionboxes and I could not afford to buy one, neither my parents. - Big money for small things, as my dad used to say.

So, I started thinking and came up with an answer. I had an amplifier, I had a loudspeaker. I needed two speakers for my projekt. So I "borrowed" my brothers speaker, the one he had for his grammophone. This was in the MONO-time. In my brothers loudspeaker I simply ran a screwdriver several times into the speakermembran.

I created a pedal out of a piece of wood, connected the wire from the amp from the left over to the pedal. When I pushed my heel down and the pedal was on top, the wire on the pedal was connected to loudspeaker one, 1 (MY speaker, the unbroken one). When I pushed down the woodpedal, the amp was connected to loudspeaker two, 2 (my brothers). And whippppps, I had made myself a distorsionbox.

Next weak I will tell the whole story about what happened to me when my brother came home.

Mr Stewart; cannabis is not a harmless drug.

LISA; can I play second fiddle to your lead?

Sir Clas von Lundkvist

Attention Oleander, St. Al, Cas and other members of the small group who use this page as their personal fraternization vehicle:

Don't you think with your combined skills you could create your own naked singularity far away from the rest of us? I mean, you're not talkin' to me, baby.

Soon You Will Be Eighteen...

mWorld: "Monk's Dream"...beautiful. Can't say I dislike any of his stuff.

Joe M: "Nutty"... such a fitting title. A couple of my favorite Monk titles: "Let's Call This", "Think of One", "Little Rootie Tootie".

Roy.Scam: Have you seen the Monk documentary, "Straight, No Chaser"? Directed and (I think) produced by Clint Eastwood. It's a wonderful glimpse into Monk's life and music. He did just stop playing; gave it up. The film left me feeling that maybe his music played a role in his madness and vice versa. Yes...MONKey in your Soul- Has to be.

oleander: "Well, You Needn't" is one of my favorites. Do you have the version with the jazz french horn? French horn is very difficult but this guy is flawless.

Re DRUGS: Such a hysteria-inducing topic. I stand by the old stoner lines you've heard every pot smoker say: I could go get a bottle of everclear and drink myself into a coma or smoke a little herb and have an enjoyable, relaxing buzz; The blatant hypocrisy of our government allowing potentially lethal drugs to be bought and sold in the free market while locking people up for smoking weed.

Huge flakes of snow are falling here, finally.

Aja - It's true there is no manual for parenting - I'm just glad my parents were good models for myself. The process is a lifetime gig, but the rewards are the best around. I wonder about Donald and Walter actually releasing a new effort. Despite producing each other's solo efforts (correct me if Fagen had no part in Becker's projects) and the tours, are the same creative forces there for a collaboration? Fagen's "Nightfly" and "Kamikiriad" are as close to perfection as any solo artist could ever hope for. Rightly or wrongly, I always considered DF as more of an enigma than whatever perception both he and WB portray to the world as Steely Dan. Walter always struck me as kind of "prickish," while Fagen is the brooding genius.

Keep me posted

I can see I'm not going to get much support for my Tuesday Night Corporal Punishment Group from this crowd.

I wonder if there will be this concerned a dialogue when Guar and Megadeath fans reach the age of parenthood. (Wow, shit, man, these terrible twos are fuckin' me up.)

Lisa: Okay, snakehips, jump in; but remember, the universe is not a toy. Don't be fiddling with the radio and waving at your friends while you're steering it. The last time we let an unqualified being steer the universe, they got it all screwed up.

Lisa2: I've still got a metaphysical headache from your 'dominions beyond the universe' concept. The MYF apparently didn't fill me in on everything.

Ole-- SPIN magazine put the flames to William Burroughs in their eulogy. Fortunately, they're not widely considered as a source of literary (or even musical) enlightenment.

Gotta go, my mechanized hum just went off,
RS

hello. hello. hello lovesdadbob, celia ("li'l squonk?"). note to expectant parents: what are the chances of your having septuplets now?

looking forward to some more jammin of the steely kind...

pretzels and green acres,
lh.

OLE ANDER; it says in my book that tautology is like saying; -This is an empty box with nothing in it. That´s what I read in my book, about tautology.

Do I do such things, like saying the long snake is very long? Do I do such things, like saying the long snake is very long?

My name is Clas, that´s my name.

LISA; sorry, you wrote "come on daddy, get in, let's go"...

It should be; "come on daddy, get in, let's go...." . But you got the dot-thing allright. Three dots.

RAZOR BOY; yess, dundee, right!

maj. - So what's your type? I wonder if most DanFans are a particular type. As for DF or WB's solo work vs SD; I think there is something to be said for the synergy of these two artists. Something about the combination that is so Gestalt - the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Razor Boy - we can not afford to be careless. Absolutely! It's really ironic that the most difficult task (job) is raising decent human beings and yet there are no real prerequists for the position.

Aja

On the topic raised by Clas refering to children and the art of duality. I have two children, a young teen and a nine year old. Things that I have said, regardless of the topic, how I react in a situation, or just body language, in the presence of my children, leaves an impression with them. They constantly surprise me with their observations of me, and "play" it back to me. We have to be responsible, by showing them what the noblest path is, even if we couldn't follow it ourselves at their ages. It's a lifetime commitment, because we are their most important role models. We are only human, but must be good ones, for their sake. That goes for establishing relationships, a positive attitude and a work ethic that enhances success. Being careless or carefree about things that can cause an imbalance is not being hip. It's being irresponsible. We can't afford to be careless.

Ah, creativity....

Reminds me of the postings about iNtuitive types. The thing that seems similar is that IMHO creativity requires an intuitive preference of gathering, and especially, ordering the information we perceive around us.

For example, intuitive types tend to prefer the abstract, are innovative, are visionaries, and trend-setters. They rely on gut instinct once they gather, order and reorder what they pick up.

I hear this throughout Dan recordings. This quality of their music and lyrics (don't forget)is what makes it pleasurable to enjoy again and again. I must have listened to the AinA version of Green Earrings over 50 times in the last two weeks just to listen to that incredible bassline. Fucking unbelievable the way Barney lays it down, seemingly so loose but everyone falls into place somehow.

Swing, more than its fair share pops up in Dan, seems to be a very intuitive thing. Maybe someone can explain it for me.

Dan compositions like Western World, Aja, Rikki, Pretzel can be interpreted so many ways that I gotta believe that the composers themselves are sharing their intuitive and creative nature in what and how they create their work.

Now take a look at the solo efforts. Not as strong as their collaborations as Dan? Not as complete? Even Gaucho, with Walt dog asleep at the wheel (of a Chrysler of course), doesn't have the same feel as the previous couple recordings.

"...cornflakes and camels..."

maj.

In the tradition of David Letterman: Five reasons to tell if you are a Steely Dan addict:
5. You've thought up film ideas for many of their songs; films in which you , of course, would star in..
4.You've named your twin daschunds "Becker" and "Fagen" ...and forgotten which was which..
3. You've added up the total time for each album in search some cosmic significance....
2. You think both Fagen and Becker are really William Burroughs children and that is the reason they rarely give interviews.....and the number one reason to tell if you're a STeely addict is.......you check out this web site two maybe...THREE times a day!!!!!!.....which implies you don't get out much anymore or have much of a social life...or have access to the internet at work ...or...yadah yadah yadah......

roy scam: so, i can't drive the universe until my probationary period is over? do you think perhaps i might sit on your lap for a spell, and just steer? "come on daddy, get in, let's go"...

clas: i think it must have been fate that delivered me to this fine nook of frothing intellectuals...my life inadvertently culminating, as i discovered that there were others who followed the dan too...i feel a kinship, my friend.

having a good bowl and wishing you were here,

the biz

Oleander--Boss paragraph. I don't read much but I will read YOUR book when it comes out. I suspect you can even make femurs and hydrociles sound interesting, the way you take raw language ingredients and whip them into verbal meringue pies. I don't know if I agree with you or not, but your thesis sure rolls off the tongue nicely. Write on. (The Beatles-Loretta reference, however, was a bit of a stretch.)

Aja: "..bareback on a dildo" ? Good rhyme, great imagery. But drive carefully; you could put somebody's eye out with that imagination of yours.

Johnboy: "Use" is when I do it. "Abuse" is when they do it.

David (of Woodstock): Dave, you haven't been sweeping the playroom out at Big Pink and smoking everything you found have you? Your last post may require some clarification/translation for us earthlings. However, my friend, Timothy Leary was sitting next to me and he liked it.

RS

StAl, damn it, I can´t focus on my job. "...like women are the weaker sex. HA!..."

In a socio/economic view they sure are.

Clas, feminist

St Al: How do you you distinguish "use" from "abuse"?

Using painkillers after surgery seems different from using them simply to get you through the day, which is, no doubt, abuse. When it comes to other substances, however, any use is generally characterised as abuse. When would smoking pot (other than perhaps by chemotherapy patients or someone trying to avoid glaucoma) be use and not abuse? A sticky question indeed.

Oleander?

OLEANDER; Tautology? I know the meaning of the word but I am not sure what you mean. Would you care to explain?

Besides, you have a very beautiful name doc, and you are growing outside my door. Really, I think you have an admirable insight, and I am serious here.

C

PS, sorry for this "several posts aday" but have you ever heard of an alcoholic that only settles for ONE?

StAl; "Stop thinking that drug use is strictly motivated by political or socio-economic circumstances. This is ludicrous. It's human nature."

I´m not thinking that way. As I said, drug-USE is a paranthetic behavior we need, put your hat on and relax for a while. An oasis. Take a drink, a beer, or log in on Sign In Stranger.

As a traveler, who is willing to teach peace, and let the children play? IT IS a world-wide thing. Music on the New Frontier, will happen. (Thanx Dr. & W.) Food, feed, music can only lead us. I will follow Donald's lead, after '98's album.

Ole: The "line" is simple enough to draw in MY eyes. It is this type of dialog that prevents meaningful progress in the ridiculous legislation that is foisted upon us by "gubmint." On the other end of this spectrum -- have you ever jaywalked?

No comparison

Excellent ramble, by the way.

Clas: A sticky issue for sure. My daughter is only 8 so I haven't had to confront this issue head-on yet. I would *like* her to understand the differences between drug use and drug abuse. I will go into great detail in explaining how absolutely stifling daily drug use is. How it totally affected my growth as a human being (mostly negative, but not completely). I will have meaningful discussions with her about goals and how to achieve them and how drug use often gets in the way.

You see, "society" IS the problem. It is my responsibility to point out the weaknesses in some of the concepts we adopt -- like women are the weaker sex. HA!

So, In answer to your question -- YES, I will tell her that breaking the "law" isn't necessarily a "bad" thing (after much qualification). To do otherwise would be hypocritical.

This is what I *hope*.

Stop thinking that drug use is strictly motivated by political or socio-economic circumstances. This is ludicrous. It's human nature.

Lou: Thumbs up on SSSP. Too bad they stopped wearing those OUTRAGEOUS costumes.

Royal: When I saw BF5, he not only strummed and plucked the damn thing -- he BEAT the shit out of it with his belt. Talk about sonic overload...

StAl

DocO: It's been a long time (over 10 years) since I was last stompin' on Franklin Street.

No doubt that many unfortunate folks slip into a mental hole and can't get out. I've seen it firsthand. Thank goodness that Psychiatry/Psychology have moved away from the Freudian behavioralist approach to a more physiological cognitive approach. A number of pharmaceutical agents and cognitive "retraining the brain" seems to be more successful than the lying on the couch and fork over $200 crap - but there's still a long way to go. I guess my point was that (even though I'm not one) that creative people are wired differently and have a different environment surrounding them - so they are often on the fringes of what might be considered "normal" behavior/thinking. Sometimes there's a fine line between that and being truly ill. Don't they say that great comedians (ex. Jonathan Winters) are just a step away from insanity? I think about this a lot as my daughter shows great talent in singing (she's been able to carry a tune perfectly since 12 months and is a stellar performer at the pre-school "shows") but has developmental delays in other area like speech (she could sing well before she could talk) and fine motor skills where she gets help weekly. She's a much different child than my wife or I were (I hope it's a symptom of a special type of creativity).

Oleander: Yup, Quincy Troupe it is... And BTW, it's a keeper.

Mu: I do indeed hear you Doctor... It's a no-brainer - "Kulee Baba" would be one serious cante hondo given the full SD studio treatment as it's one helluva gem as a work-in-progress...

An excellent link to all things Gibson - http://ee.oulu.fi/%7Ethefinn/gibson/gibson.html - Why not "jack in" right now...

Forgot to mention: they're at:
http://www.3sp.com

Any serious dan fan should check out the Super Sonic Soul Pimps - great music, and Anti-Serious lyrics.

Do you know them, St. Al? They're from Seattle, and played at Bumbershoot, the "where to go and what to do".

Get back, Lo-Roy-ta--You are the coolest. Brillo. MONKey. AND a doctor ref I missed. I owe you three big ones, at least. (Big what? You pick.) "Dr. Filth, he keeps his world/Inside of a leather cup/But all his sexless patients/They're trying to blow it up"--lyrics worthy of the Dan, I would say.

Mr. Stew--wow! Are you really a kick-ass kind of guy? Somehow I didn't picture you thus. I am very fond of Monk, though far from an aficionado. I like "Well You Needn't," on "Monk's Music"--whoa, what a lineup. And "In Walked Bud" with Jon Hendricks on "Underground." And all of "Monk's Dream."

Doc Mu--Did you ever hang out at the Hardback Cafe in Chapel Hill, memorialized by Ben Folds? I did until it closed, when I was in grad school there '93-'94. Say, I think it's important to draw a distinction between "mindset" and "illness." Anais Nin & Thomas Szasz popularized the idea that insanity is a societal consensus, not a medical definition, which I think is partly true; also that each of us has mad pieces. But for every high-powered businessman who loves his manic phase, there are plenty of people who are really sick, with bipolar disease or schizophrenia or whatever, and will be the first to tell you they want to get well (if they're not actively psychotic).

St. Al--all right, I've gotta take you up on the Wal Mart style of lawfulness. So was it OK for Tim McVeigh to blow up the Federal Building because he thought he could make his own law? Or is it OK for the guys who try to sell my kid cocaine in the parking lot, because they choose to ignore the law against it? How do we draw that line?

Joe--Is that the Quincy Troupe book? Point well taken about Coltrane. Who knows what "natural causes" are? I have a lot of inner conflicts when I consider whether his (or Miles', or whoever's) celestial music was drug-induced. But when I listen, I have no conflicts at all. Beauty is beauty, and seldom pure.

OK, drugs. St. Al, long before Andrew Weil became a new-age darling, he cowrote an excellent book called "From Chocolate to Morphine," in which he argued that yes, every society has its licit and illicit drugs, and that the line between them is often political. And that ANYTHING which can elicit an addictive response--sex, chocolate, work, Steely Dan--is a drug. I agree with him, & Dr Mu, about the universal use of mind-altering drugs (see also Burroughs' "Yage Letters." I like him much better as an anthropologist than as a "Junky."). So the question isn't whether to allow drugs, but what is a licit drug and what is the societal attitude toward drugs. Which is almost universally political. Look at the recent arguments over whether there there should be different penalties for crack versus powder cocaine. If that's not a class issue, I don't know what is. Or at the Ghost Dancers, who wanted to be able to use peyote in their ceremonies. Brown people able to use hallucinogens?? I DON'T THINK SO! said the gubmint. In this society, I think "drugs"--the things themselves and the issue-- are a weapon against poor people. If there were no profit in them, for privateers or the Feds, or if there were not such a wide gulf between rich & poor, there would be little problem. It's not an easy supply/demand equation; there are so many reasons people do or don't do them. Aja, I think you're right on about the abuse of prescrpition drugs and access problems. I see this at least twenty times a day in my work. There is no way I can steer my population (poor people, a lot of whom have chronic pain) to nonpharmacologic means of treatment or cure. All they know from is pills, and there's no funding for complementary care. That quote--"most people that think they are strong are only safe"--is MAJORLY right on. People who have to scramble for food, shelter, and safety aren't in a terrific place to attack their habit. If I have a patient who's recovering, I shake his or her hand and ask how the hell they're doing it. Roy, I also believe that people have to be responsible for their fate/choices, but neither do I blame people who have a hard (or impossible) time doing it. That's useless, and I think inhuman. There but for the grace etc....No, people aren't randomly spared suicide from drugs. It takes a shitload of dedication and hard work, but some luck too, in the right combination. And whatever people really want to do--live OR die--they will. Now Clas, darlin', where did you get that tautology?

All right, now that I have won the run-on paragraph of the week award, I think I'll go take a nap.

LISA!

You have a beautiful name!

Coèdra de la maniana de re corres! Veres no travja! Singoalla...

How did you find this little corner?

StAl; my point is; could you, with a straight face, tell your kid(s) that you are doing an illegal thing (smoking pot) and then, tell them to obey law and order in the society? Or deal with that your kid is running around the schoolyard screaming; - my dad is smoking pot every night, he keeps it in a plastic bag in his bedroom? Could you take that? Or even if you are hiding it from your kid, could you raise your kid, learning him/her what is wrong and what is right? What is expected of us from society? You can´t have one rule for yourself at home and other rules for others out in the society.

You CAN, but you will not be trustworthy.

And besides, are there something in our genes that says that human beings must have coke or heroin or pot or whatever? I don´t think the opiumcartells or cokecartells are something we HAVE to live with. In any country, I´m not talking only US here. I think those things goes with governments and corruption.

ROY SCAM; you have a simple answer to an hard question.

OK guys, tomorrow will be a funny day, I will tell you how I reinvented the distorsionbox when I was 13.

Hold on,

C

Lisa (showbizkid): Welcome to the guestbook; but we don't let you drive the universe until you've been a member for six months.

mWorld: When you see BF5 on the 28th, watch for the parts where Ben stands up and strums the INSIDE of his grand piano. And it sounds right. I tried it at home: you can't just percussionistically plunk anywhere; you have to hit the right places. It renders a sort of early Spoonful, jug band sound.

Dr. Mu: I don't know from Joe Jackson, but some guy at my office made that same Ben Folds/JJ comparison.--"Alice Childress" is one of my favorites too. Surprisingly, that's one of the few they didn't do in concert. I thought only Steely Dan was good enough to have songs of that caliber and not even put them on the playlist.

Clas: Your fatallistic words on addiction are well taken, but I stand by the idea that YOU are the only thing responsible for YOU. Don't make me out to be the Rush Limbaugh guy that arrogantly minimizes poverty, despair, and drug addiction. I just think there are other raisons d'etre besides success and money.

Ole: Check Dylan's Desolation Row for a great, but not flattering, doctor verse.

RS

PASS THE BLUTWERST PLEASE,BITTLES

this may very well be the only social group i have ever yearned to be a part of...embrace me, oh people of the guestbook!!!
your presence seems to validate the idea that, yes, steely dan is the driving force behind the universe, and possibly dominions beyond.

i have remained a voyeur for far too long...

cordially,

the biz

Aja: Correction. THe book is called "The Natural Mind".

Clas: Do you really think I care that my uptight government says I should'nt do something? Many of our laws are wrong and I simply do not obey them.

Re legalization. If you think for a momment that ANY government can stop drug use, you are sorley mistaken. It has always been my opinion that people who take a strong stance against this issue haven't a clue as to what forms our very psyche. From an economic point of view legalizing makes perfect sense. Our government WASTES too much money fighting this endless battle. It's a fact.

I'm not suggesting the legalization or Herion and Cocaine, either. Decrimilization, maybe....

Anyone have any funny stories about playing Steely Dan 45's at 78 rpm? I didn't have any Dan 45's as a kid, but it was always fun to play them at fast speed.

and StAl; you used to smoke cannabis. You became a father and you quit, cause cannabis is illegal, right? But what you´ve done is simply changing drugs. You like to sit and chat with your friends over a drink, a glass of wine, in a decent, normal way. That´s an oasis people need. But if cannabis was legal, would you have quit that habbit?

Roy Scam; "Give Mr. Becker some credit. He wasn't just randomly 'spared' by some ham-handed Deus ex Machina*. He spared himself, inner fires and all. Whether you're a wealthy genius or an economically repressed ordinary guy, you can always find an excuse for your behaviour. It's not fate; it's just good decision making."

You can always make an excuse for your behaviour, but you can´t always make a way out from your drugabuse. People who don´t have nothing, nothing to lose, no future, nothing to live for, I think they have zero chance to survive. A man with a succesful life behind him, an ego, something to lose, can easily move somewhere else and change lifestyle.

And about that genious thing, I think Steely Dan was the light. And why? Because four (4) men came together, Nichols, Fagen, Katz and Becker. That was luck. That was magic, something extra. Tear them apart. Success? Maybe, a little, but magic? No.
(The Nightfly was magic, excuse me)

And another thing on this drugthing; here in Europe there are serious discussions about setting drugs free, I mean heavy shit here, heroin, coke etc. (have you seen the pictures from Zurich, Switzerland, where they gather junkies behind some fences where they are free to "enjoy" their lifestyle. Barbaric.) The idea of doing that is something about to lower the criminality on the streets.(? Hi man, I got my shit for free these days, when I am high I just sit at home watching TV.) Do you think a civilized society should support drugaddicts with drugs? My opinion on that is NO! And I have always wondered why police and goverments can´t stop this drugtraffic, the older I get the more sure I am that it´s too much money involved.

Au renoir,

c

Aja -- You need to read "The Healing Mind" by Dr. Andrew Weil. As Mr. Stewart suggested, I was spinning in circles when I 10, smoking pot by the time I was 12, dropping LSD by 13, snortin' coke by the time I was 16. THEN, I got got my drivers license and its been downhill from there....

Seriously, the closest I ever came to addiction was with grass. I now have a child (key factor), and do not find it as enjoyable (or necessary) to "check out." I venture to say that for many of my peers, it's simply AGE that does it. Just as I don't find spinning around in circles as enjoyable as I used, neither do I find it fun to "smoke a bowl" just for the sake of getting high.

Socio-economics have always played a major part in the development of "mankind." So what? Them's the facts. And don't give me any shit about such a callous comment. I really would like to know what to do about this?

mW and Stew: In the CD as we speak -- "Straight, no chaser"

Have you noticed how much Steely Dan figures in William Gibson's cyberpunk scifi? Especially clubs like the Gentleman Loser in Neuromancer, Count Zero, Burning Chrome; & the Western World in his latest Idoru. Klaus & the Rooster can even be found frequenting there!

Have you noticed how much Steely Dan figures in William Gibson's cyberpunk scifi? Especially clubs like the Gentleman Loser in Neuromancer, Count Zero, Burning Chrome; & the Western World in his latest Idoru. Klaus & the Rooster can even be found frequenting there!

RS: Just picked up the first BFF this weekend and while I like most of it, especially Alice Childress (now there's a Carolina surname) and Boxing, I have to aggree that Ben Folds style does not resemble Fagen's at all. It sounds more like a young Joe Jackson doing young Billy Joel. Well, maybe one could stretch a connection with DF as Michael Omartian arranged Joel's Piano Man.

MONKey in Your Soul? Yeah!

JoeM: Those chord progressions on Kulee Baba are killers - I'd love to hear that song on the pending? release

mWorld: Good to hear other Dan fans picking up on Ben Folds 5 in the absence of new Dan material (methaDan, if you will). They knock me around, even though I see little similarity between them and SD other than the brilliance and the pianocentricity. I saw them at a club called the Flood Zone in Richmond VA; it's apparently one of those deserted downtown buildings converted into a rock and roll spot.--BFF has their third video out now, "Brick". It's their first serious one and it's sad and strong.

Aja: There's a converse to the socio-economic school of thought on drug addiction. Sometimes success and prosperity lead to excessive drug use. John Phillips (Mamas and Papas) spent several average lifetime salaries on his drug habit; that's an opportunity he wouldn't have had if he'd continued struggling on Creeque Alley. See also Richard Pryor, John Lennon, Judy Garland. One theory says that having time, access, and financial means actually breeds drug dependency.

Mr. Stewart: I've heard that Monk stopped performing for several years, to the bewilderment of his followers. I also heard that he was very non-demonstrative about appreciating his sidemen. Is there a MONKey In Your Soul link there? (interupt my song, you want four)

RS

Mr. Stewart: How about "Nutty"... One of Monk's more fascinating angular and meandering pieces. Was "Friday The Thirteenth" from the same set that featured an icredible "The Way You Look" with Sonny Rollins on tenor? That is one dynamite session. I can hear Monk all over DF's playing. Especially on the early demos and later outtakes like "Kulee Babba" (sp?).

Oleander: According to Miles bio, he claims Trane was "passionate about his music, his drugs and his alcohol and it eventually killed him." Note sure if this is the definitive source for Trane info since Miles routinely stretches the truth about himself and the musicians he worked with but, there are other conflicting historical accounts of Trane's excesses (or lack thereof) towards the end of his life. He did however die of natural causes.

Dan related musical happenings:
Jay And The Americans share a bill with Kenny Vance and his cheesy Las Vegas act in NYC this week. Apparently the royalties from the early demos are not enough to keep these schmaltz mongers off the streets.

muynah--busy, busy, busy dept.: on my changer too, nestled in next to Bird.

On lunch moment (as opposed to hour)--mo' later

Mr. Stewart: Monk's Dream is in my changer as we type. Great stuff, king of the tritone...

mW

Some of the old be-boppers didn't need drugs at all. Take Thelonious Monk (somewhat of a teetotaler). His bizarre take on piano is directly related to the fact that, growing up, poor, the Monk family piano didn't receive regular tuning maintenance. It fell into a discordant state and young Monk adapted and dug it.

Any other Thelonious fans in Dandom? Favorite tune is "Friday the 13th", which opens with a sax which sounds like some guy walking down the street, shitty day, and he is bitchin about it.

Wanting to feel different, "high", is a natural drive. Little kids do it by spinning in circles and sometimes by overdosing on giggling. Oh the endorphines released by prolonged giggling.

Mr. Stew

I came here to do two things... Drink beer and kick some ass.
Looks like we're outa beer.

There is scientific evidence to back Clas' views that socio-economics do play a factor in "surviving" drug addiction or even becoming addicted. Sure, there are people that no matter what else fate has dealt them in their life they are going to be hell-bent on destroying themselves for the momentary thrill of some drug (and this includes alcohol). But there are others that become aware of how the drug(s) are destroying their lives and
want to "detoxify" themselves. Certainly money helps in this situation, as one with enough money can check into a drug treatment facility (or otherwise enlist the help they need) within hours of making that decision. But those without the money may not be able to get treatment for monthes, thus making them more vulnerable to further abuse and/or addiction, and even death. Also those with enough money have the resources to remove stressors (or are insulated from them) that might lead to a greater dependence upon drugs taken to relieve pain and suffering, or might otherwise lead an individual to take drugs as an escape from their lives (or environment).

I (a non-conformist) don't believe in taking any more drugs than is absolutely necessary, but this is a minority opinion in a (conformist) society that thinks a trip to the doctor's office means leaving with a prescription, and of course the pharmaceutical companies perpetuate this prevalent view. But there are people who would never think of taking a drug for thrills that wind up addicted to pain killers after receiving an injury. The poor
usually don't have the luxury of being able to choose a course of treatment which would focus on alternative methods of pain relief, such as massage therapy, acupuncture, Chinese medicine, yoga, etc. Now if these people had enough money to treat their injuries in another manner they might never have to take any prescription drugs at all. Unfortunately very few insurance companies and doctors support these methods and it is virtually unheard of through medical social services (although I did read about a county or city on the west coast that gave their indigent patients the option of alternative medicine, which I find optimistic). Look how long it took the AMA to stop denouncing
chiropractic care, and there are still insurance companies that don't pay for this service.
Drug addiction/abuse, and/or overcoming said problem, can be a result of personal choice, or as "a victim of laughing chance", or both. Don't kid yourselves, "most people that think they are strong are only safe" (I can't remember who said that). Some people are spared despite their chosen lifestyle and others are thrown in to circumstances beyond their control simply due to fate. Ever play solitaire? Sometimes you can fuck up and
lose despite being dealt a 'good hand', other times no matter what you do - you're screwed.

Roy. Scam - had to LOL on the brillo thing, and that made me think of another rhyme which may have been good, and certainly more Danlike- dildo. and another LOL on No-leander. You're on a roll buddy! Thanks for the laughs.

Peace, Love and Laughter (that's what I'm after),
Aja

Roy.scam:
Where did I go that that I was gone so long?...a delayed response to your BFF post, but Uncle Walter is indeed a hoot, thanks to this board I now own both albums and have BFF tix for Nov. 28th. - a good placeholder till D&W are out and about again...where did you see 'em?

My pal, the lovely, yet poisonous (Official Central California Highway Divider) shrub:
I've always wondered if Junkie Girl had some sort of formative link in Uncle Waltdog's production of Rickie Lee's tune 'Ghost Train'. The 'distant shore' and 'ghost train' imagery both strike me as similar in their ethereal quality/bare bones construction...

Maj(Dot): I've now outlived your death prediction by 47 days. I've even taken to running along Highway 1 at night with my back to traffic in dark clothing and non-reflective shoes...admit it, the tests were wrong...

StAl: An HTML tag? Is that like an Asteroid?...just wondering...

Signing off from among the cows,
mW

Jamaican Dude: I think you're right. "Armadillo" was just the best rhyme with Camarillo. I suppose "bareback on a Brillo" would have been an ineffective and possibly painful substitute.

Just say No-leander: Great words on "Junkie Girl". It is a great song. Not just about drugs, but also about more important things like love and trying to be happy. I guess it's just a question of what's more important to you. There's an old movie, "The Days of Wine and Roses", about alcoholics, wherein the two lovers choose opposite directions at the end: one back to living, and the other to that opposite shore. (I doubt that Janis and Bird are waiting there to welcome us). It's a really powerful movie ending, especially with Henry Mancini pumping your emotions with his best schmaltzy melody.

Ole and Clas: Give Mr. Becker some credit. He wasn't just randomly 'spared' by some ham-handed Deus ex Machina*. He spared himself, inner fires and all. Whether you're a wealthy genius or an economically repressed ordinary guy, you can always find an excuse for your behaviour. It's not fate; it's just good decision making.

*Sorry about the bad spelling and bad metaphor.

RS

Oleander - Hmmmm... Not sure if you'd want to include Trane in your thesis on creative drug/life style abusers the likes of Parker, Jimi and Janis - who basically took their own lives.

Although it's true Trane was one helluva practicioner of the excess during the mid 1950's (at one point drug and alcohol abuse lead to his dismissal from Miles famed sextet for a year), he later "got religion" as it were (1957) and was clean and sober until his untimely death at the age of 40 from liver cancer (1967). I suppose you could say he may have died due to complications stemming from his life style of 10 years earlier (sort of a delayed reaction type of thing) but, the man spent most of the latter 1950's and 1960's gettin' high on long and involved alto and tenor solos and not much else.

You mentioned Miles as one of the "spared"... That's always struck me as odd as well. How'd he live so hard for so long and get away with it? Devine intervention perhaps?

Nice thread...

Ole-o/Clas: A few opinions on drugs/musicians etc.

1) I've never bought the socio-economic link with drugs in general as in the past and in other cultures drug use was linked with rituals/religious ceremonies and with *high* socio-economic status.

2) Some of the use of drugs among musicians (be-bop or rock n' roll crowds) supposedly has been to enhance "creativity" (i.e., to change reality)

3) Human nature and certain "mind-sets."

a)conformity/non-conformity: if other folks in our peer group are doing it, why not us? Conformity is especially prevelent in "non-conformist" groups? Seen a gaggle of non-conforming teens lately?

b)mind-sets such as obsessive/compulsive and manic/depressive. Here I hate to use mental disorders as these "mind-sets" may function as double-edged swords. Such folks are often extremely intelligent and capable of great artistic/engineering/political feats. It often requires minds which are out of the ordinary to accomplish great things. But the darker side of these "mind-sets" can lead to heavy drug use and other excesses/delusions/incapacitation, etc.

Clas, Oleander: Well, take away these socio-environmental drug theories, they do not work for Skandinavians. Where it's even colder and darker most of the time than it is here :)) there is an absolute need for good, I mean effective drugs. Let's raise our glasses to a good King Clas ... But kidding aside: There's also the question what makes you use drugs. Some of the trigger mechanisms just seem to force people into abuses of one or the other kind. And IMHO there are influences where you stay closer to the surface of a healthy life, independent of how many piasters you can spend on the cure. And others where you're just lost. Bad Karma. Poof.

NATALIE!

In my eager to respond to miss Oleanders post I totally forgot to say hallo and welcome to you! You love Steely Dan? Well, there´s still hope for the youngsters nowdays. If I were you, I should buy albuma per albuma instead of these "Gathering-CD`s" those stingy recordlabels foist upon us from time to time. Enjoy the GBook, watch your back, be nice to StAl now and then and if you are being accused to be me, just ignore the morons. Welcome!

Dryshood, Cayman Islands

PS You have a very beautiful name Natalie!

Oleander; yes, I mostly agree with you. Mr Becker is a survivor. An extremely RICH survivor. But do you think he had survived if he was stuck in, let´s say, Watts, Bronx or even some of the ghettos we are beginning to grow here in Sweden? A poor man, without anything, no chance to move to Hawaii without any of the daily problems to get food, or pay rent. Are you sure this genious would have survived without any money?

And genious, do you mean that all drugaddicts are genious?

Dead Man Walking

lovedadbob--kind of distracting, isn't it?

Joe--Funny you should mention Bird. I've been listening to Rhino's "Yardbird Suites" compilation in the car lately. Pretty wonderful. In the liner notes, it says that his family moved to KC when he was about 7; no mention of where he was born. 52nd St. was the hub of the NY jazz world in the '40's--Birdland was a late addition. Man, what I'd give to be able to sit in on some of those dates! About shock therapy--still used, still barbaric, but a lot of medicine is a blunt instrument.

Kinksman--I can't BELIEVE you missed these Bird tie-ins--"Through With Diz" and "The Royal McShann."

Royesque--Man, you don't know. Loose for me is not correcting OTHER people's spelling. Now, "...a genius who destroyed himself for a series of immediate gratifications..."--I don't think it was that simple. He was reputed to be extremely disciplined musically and worked his way up hard and fast in the jazz world. I believe there is something to the theory that some geniuses self-medicate because they can't deal with their fire 24-7; unfortunately, the substances used often go on to take over their lives. Yes, he was responsible for his habit, but he was also swept up in a scene into which drugs & booze were inextricably woven, had a not ideal childhood, and man, the raging creativity and drive that must have been pressure-cooking in him all the time....Why did it take him (disease model--others would ask why he let it take him), Coltrane, Jimi, Janis? Why were Dizzy, Miles, the other survivors spared? That's what I want to know. A not completely non sequitur: that's why I think "Junkie Girl" is such a great song about addiction. The singer early on admits that he still wants his habit "maybe more than ever," though at the end he waves goodbye to his addiction--"no foolin', that's another world"--and affirms that he's going to go on living, not drift to the "distant shore" where the junkie girl, Charlie Parker, and so many others wait. Without recourse to all the sloppy jargon of the recovery movement, he sums it up in a succinct but passionate package. Now, despite my frequent disclaimer that I don't want to dabble in Messrs. F & B's personal lives, this song makes me very happy that Mr. B. is truly a survivor.

Below is the review of Chris Potter's album "Unspoken", from today's LA Times. I liked the album too, and recommend it to fans of this genre

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Sunday, November 16, 1997

ALBUM REVIEWS

*** CHRIS POTTER, "Unspoken," Concord

By BILL KOHLHAASE

 Chris Potter, at 26, is a saxophonist in heavy demand, having made recent sideman appearances on albums by Jim Hall, Renee Rosness, Steve Swallow and a host of others. For his latest Concord recording, he attracts stellar sidemen--guitarist John Scofield, bassist Dave Holland and drummer Jack DeJohnette--then supplies them with demanding, modern material worthy of their stature.

     Scofield, Holland and DeJohnette bring out a tougher side of the saxophonist than heard on his previous recording, "Moving In." Potter's tenor sound has a certain resemblance to Michael Brecker's, but he's less predictable than Brecker. His anxious, often punchy attack frequently leads to knockout resolutions. On soprano, he dances like a butterfly, stings like a bee.

     Scofield seems particularly invigorated playing Potter's music against DeJohnette's explosive percussion. Holland, as always, is active and intelligent. Only a few moments of over-detailed composing detract from this excellent program. "Unspoken" proves Potter can stand with the heavyweights, both as player and composer.

     

Hey everyone, this is my first time posting, although I have been
enjoying the comments for quite some time. I feel kind of alone
in the world of Dandom. The Dan has been my favorite since I was
15 and now that I am 20, I still feel as if I am the only one my age who listens to Walt and Don! What is wrong with my generation to be missing such music of the soul?!? Recently I bought an album called "Forward Into the Past: Becker and Fagan- The Early Years." It is a compilation of early Dan music, such as "Barrytown" and "Any World" plus some other tracks which never made it to the albums. Anyone familiar with this album?

Steely Dan were a great band. Unfortunately, as members
began to dwindle, so did their music. Of course, I like just
about everything they did. But "Can't Buy A Thrill" and "Pretzel

Pretzel Logic is.............lots of Steely Dan music.....played quite
well too.
The Bamboo this Sunday night November 16, 1997 9:30pm, 312 Queen Street West,
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
Glyn Stevens/Don Baird/Joe Reynalds/Jim Lawliss/Jim Casson/Peter
Mifsud/Dave Johns/Tim Johns/Sean Eisenberg/Bob McAlpine

"I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
I'll be what I want to be"

DF/WB '77

Hope to see ya...I put Donald and Walter + 2 at the door.

Hey all, just dropped in to say, I'm alive & feelin' fine. Sorry I haven't been around lately. Between the joys of fatherhood and a recent musical project (The Magical Symphony Tour) I've been in overload mode for the better part of three months. No complaints tho', life is bein' berry berry good to me at the moment. Now if I could only find the fucking lost pictures of me'n kinky.....

Hope all is well in the far flung corners of Dandom. It is.

lovebob

Jamican Dude; yes, you are right. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (Freud). It´s useless to search for a deeper meaning in every fucking word.

Oleander; now I got it! You are talking stigmas here!

Stevie Dan; Apple Pie? Sorry man, apple pie with vanilla sauce is something very Swedish. That´s the truth, even if it hurts.

Roy Scam; don´t use that word again, it´s dirty, it may piss off StAliN and you will end up being censored. And you wouldn´t like that would you?

Howdy Hillbillys,

clas

PS what!? It works! Halleluja.

Roy,

After a west coast recording date (July, 1946), Bird was admitted into Camarillo State Mental Hospital for treatment for drug abuse.

If you ever get a chance to hear some of the stuff from this particular recording date - "Max Making Wax", "Bebop" etc. it's
astoundingly bad (for Bird). You get a sense that Bird was in dire need of a break. I've heard that part of the treatment involved shock therapy... What a flippin' medieval thing to do to anyone, let alone a creative musical genius like Bird.

Hey everybody. It has been a long time since I have checked this page out. Much has changed, but much has not. That's OK.

Roy.Scam: the significance is that it rhymes with Camarillo. I don't think Amarillo or pillow or willow would have sounded as cool.

Peace and love.

The ultimate musical irony: a happy, up-tempo song about a genius who destroyed himself for a series of immediate gratifications. -- At the risk of incurring Kinky's sarcasm, let me query this subject a bit further, wasn't Camarillo the mental hospital where Mr. Parker went to recover from heroin addiction? And what's the armadillo reference about?

Oleeandr: No need to post a public retraction for every spelling error. Be spontaneous. (That's my personal euphimism for sloppy.) Remember, Shakespeare never rewrote a single word. We all know by now that you're use of the language is unchallengeable. Leave the errors in and let the rest of us feel superior now and then.

Clas-- "...only to discover that it was not a lesbian bookstore."

RS

RE: Country Police.....Steely Dan is as American as apple pie, baseball and the VFW....go bless them all!! ....God Dam.....Steely Dan for President!!!!!!

Hey Murth - You're one sharp dude...references to "Bird" in the Dan song "Parker's Band" -- who'd a thunk it? But why single out just two lines? Let's look at some others, shall we?

Savoy Sides presents a new saxaphone sensation - (Savoy = Parker's label, and he's a sax player to boot!)

It's Parker's band with a smooth style of syncopation. (not another Bird reference?!)

Kansas City born and growin' (what a coinkidink - wasn't Parker born in KC?)

You'll be groovin' high or relaxin' at Camarillo. (well, this one you got...)

Suddenly the music hits you; it's a bird in flight that just can't quit you. (A "bird" in flight - now I can see how you missed that one)

We will spend a dizzy weekend smacked into a trance. (now this MUST be a bird reference...afterall, even you knew he was relaxin at Camarillo)

Fifty-Second Street's the junction. (hmmm...isn't that where Birdland was?)

You got to come on, man, and take a piece of Mister Parker's Band

Jeez Murth - I'd say that's a whole slew of Dan/Bird references. I guess that's why they called it "Parker's Band"

It may be a slow day, but it ain't that slow

(private to Joe Murtha) - As much as I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I just wanted to let you know that Joe Roccisano (Hoops McCann Band fame) passed away Sunday. I figured this was your department, so I'll let you break it to the rest of us on your next "Steely Dan Sidemen (non)Sightings" report.

Hey now! Let´s not go into private things on our beloved idols. And it´s a stupid thing to insinuate that mr. Beckers mother was an Asian woman. Do you know what that means fuckhead? That mr Becker is not a fullblooded AMERICAN! And do you know what THAT means mister!? That we can´t listen to his music anymore. So I say; mr. Becker is a fullblooded American, I repeat, mr. Becker is not a from Malaysia or China or whatever! Got it?

Setting things back to normal,

the Country Police

Hey Maj: Re: 'Lyrics to 'A Little With Sugar'

I think that song might actually be about Walter Becker's mother, who might in fact be asian (Chinese?), She was a dance instructor according to Steely lore and Fagen's mom was a cabaret singer in the Catskills......it's too bad Brian Sweets' book didn't have too much info on Becker's backgound....he remains perhaps the 'James Bond' of rock; well a very funny James Bond.......Becker....Walter Becker.....

That's funny -- it wasn't entered by me, either

the above post was not entered by me.

Howdy,

went to my jog this morning. I thought it would be pretty warm but then it turned out to be pretty cold really. Yees, and then it started to cloud out, quite opposite to the weatherforecast naturally and I wouldn´t be surprised if we got a spot of rain tonight, darn it...

Oh yes, Jackson Browne. He has a house in Barcelona now, and from time to time he just pops up here good old Sweden, playing small clubs. Nice guy. I promised you, or, what´s left of you, the new verse on Cocaine, I won´t fuck with you, here it is;

There was damage to the soul,

damage to the quality of rock´n roll

Cocaine, runnin´around my brain...

I got another song for you, or what´s left of you darn ol´chaps, I think you all know the song(s), just small changes here and there;

Saint Al is out to shut the old Book down

I comb the ruins of his stompin´grounds

But Oleander is still the same,

So is Minor and the Kinky-sound

I know what happens

I´ve seen the Book

I believe I just got the censored look

(I believe I just got the censored look)

Won´t you pour me a Cuban Breeze, Ruby? (Lite please)

For those who are a bit slow, this was two songs in one.
From one thing to another, I got, via email, a funny story. It´s about Clinton. Let´s see now. It´s something with books here too I think, well I try;

"The President suffered bitter disappointment earlier today when he visited the Bush Library - only to discover that it is NOT a book store specialised on plants"

Rather funny actually, I didn´t laugh my ass off, but rather funny.

Well, see you tomorrow, can hardly wait.

C

PS any news on this steely-thing, CD or something?

Another Dan/Bird tie-in?? (of marginal interest but - what the hell - it's a slow day)

For anyone who's heard that phenomenal live Dan set from St. Louis in '93, the in-between tune banter and band introductions contain (as usual) some choice Beckerisms replete with his own unique phraseology and a healthy sprinkling of arcane musical and literary references.

In Becker's intro to "Fall of '92" from that live set, he describes the tune as a "romance without finance" type of deal...
Although this cliche' is in abundant use nowadays, it also happens to be the title of a Bird tune from the "Savoy Master Takes" CD originally recorded on Savoy back in 1944 when Bird was with the Tiny Grimes Quintet. A stretch you say? Consider these other Bird references...

1. Scrapple From The Apple -
2. Groovin' High -
3. Ralaxin' At The Camarillo -
4. Bongo Beep (The intro of which is lifted for Skunks outro on "Parkers Band") -
5. A myriad number of Becker interviews singing Birds praises over the years. -

And now 6. "Romance Without Finance"

Any others??

Just admit it. "Hypnotized" from "Mystery to Me" is the BEST Bob Welch tune, hands down. Now, can we get back to that exciting Jackson Browne discussion?

Longtime Steelhead, first time poster. Mike "darling, my friend" I will be returning to TX, USA Nov. 15. Looking for "You Gotta Walk..." soundtrack or movie anywhere in TX. If you can help please let me know at: steelyt@hotmail.com.

Yours in Dan,

Enclosures
(df) J. Miguel

Doc: You did not answer the question. What is Peg's last initial? Try EFG. Is that a chord progression? More to follow
Rikki. Regards to Maui, was it jig Walter? How is the recording going along? Peace, love, and more days of music to follow.

Roy--I was just listening to BFF yest. & thinking how much I like his piano. Would love to see them live.

My bad II--villain.

Keyboard freaks: I saw Ben Folds Five at a club two nights ago. That boy can tickle the 88 as well as any rock & roll person since Richard Manuel. Great show; even without guitars. If I were Donald and Walter (and I guess I'm not), I couldn't help but be motivated by a young group of that caliber centered around the piano and bass player. They even do a great song about a guy named Walter.

RS

My bad dept.:

1) Mea maxima culpa for disinterring the deservedly dead Dan-inspired Doggerel Dept.

2) The villian in "Oliver Twist" is "Fagin" with an "i."

I nominate the Gaucho for Guestbook cross-stitch champion.

Whatsamatter Kinky?

Do you think I take too much space? Free market, is it not? At least it is what you US-guys always yelling about.

Until you come up short and then blaming the other guy for taking tooooo much.

Howdy,

censored

and Ruby!

I saw your comment on this guy, eh, what the heck, ... yesssss, Bob Welch, have you heard that tune, from the 70s, Sentimental Lady?

hoola bandoola!

(that´s a warriorscream ants have when they are attacking the big bad guys, keep that in mind)

HOOLA BANDOOLA!

Damn it Gaucho; what I mean is;

you are always telling the truth! The Truth! Sorry...

Mr censored

Hi Gaucho, I think, I mean, you know... well, as Joni Mitchell once said according to Jaco;

I was looking for a bassplayer that could play, and someone told me, -There´s a weird guy in Miami, you´d probably like him.

But you are a fucking liar Gaucho.

I´ll get back to the rest of you, got some heavy stuff I wanne share. It´s about Jackson Brownes new lyrics on Cocaine. He adds a new verse nowdays. Very interesting. In fact I think this shit, after it has been analyzed and censored, can be the number one news in the rockworld today.

Did you know why Jackson spends so much time in Sweden?

I´ll come up with the answer next week.

Do you know what tune this is?

(first congas) -dabidiabodabo doddlidiba di ba di ba do be do beba bop... ?

It´s Jaco playing, on bass, Miles "Donna Lee".

And about this Steely Dan-thing, any news on a new CD?

mr censored

Please, you sick bastards, vote for me! ME ME ME ME ME!

Wanna bet?

Yes.

Clas.

Pull this finger.

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Gaucho (I shall not be censored, ever)

Clas.

Pull this finger.

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Clas.

Pull this finger.

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Clas.

Pull this finger.

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Clas.

Pull this finger.

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Clas.

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Gaucho (I shall not be muted)

Please replace LIFO for FIFO on my last comment.

Thank you.

Gaucho

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What the fuck, this is not working. Clas, you're a fucking liar.

StAl. Congrats on the FIFO display.

To all of you.

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Test of the newly introduced CENSORSHIP engine by StAl.

Fuck Shit Cunt Asshole Dick Pinga Culo Teta Fuck-your-mama Suck my dick, StAl is a big fag.

Beast w/o A Name - Let's hope that Mr. Tix predictions are more accurate then his spelling (LeAnn Rimes).

maj. - I always thought that "A Little With Sugar" was a reference to a after the mother had died or become an invalid and then a mistress or stepmother. esp. the lines, "I was taken with her showboat style, but too young to understand". I guess a maid or housekeeper/mistress works just as well, if not better. Although not sure about the Asian ethnicity theory.

Aja

Oleander

I know you love me now. Thanks for the sing-a-long. One good tune deserves another:

"I never seen you lookin' so good my skunky one.

You tell me that your double hum-buck has tripled some.

Any major appliance with half a warranty is suitable dowry my friend.

To drag across the Las Vegas strip and sell for pesos on the yen.

When the Chinese begin to admire
Jim Morrison's funeral pyre

Any major appliance can sub for you

Any minor correction is a major coup

Did you ever see the first time the Silver Surfer appeared?

The herald of the age between Ginsburg and a thing beer.

A hundred trillion billion maniacs can't possibly be wrong.

Michael Stipe himself is rumoured to like this song.

When the B-52's fly by
Heaven won't even bat an eye

Any major appliance will tell you

Any major appliance that's UL approved

Folks, saw this at Front Row Tix website...

It may not happen for at least 6 months but provides hope for the near future...

http://www.laig.com/tickets/mrtix.htm

A question about "She Took A Little With Sugar"....

Listened to Catalyst the other day (on the way to jam with Lucky Henry BTW) and I was wondering about the relationship of the woman "She" to the writer. Is it a mother or a house maid or something else? I used to think it was a mom but on a recent listen the use of the words "daily jersey" and "she was first generation" seem to indicate a maid. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an Asian maid. It would fit in with other mentions of desires for Asian women.

Is it possible that the taste for Aja was developed from early contact with an Asian housemaid? All hypothetical, of course.

"...she took the money from my old man - oh, yes she di-i-i-d..."

I like the way Donald screams the lyrics in this one.

maj.

This is the day of the expanding Dan

Eddy don't live in that

North Dakota no more (no more)

He don't get frostbit in April

'Shoein' ten miles to the liquor store

Eddy don't need no HTML

'Cause the hard return does him just as well

Eddy don't live in that

North Dakota no more

Shirley; are you talkin´ to me?

Dr.Mu: I also wondered so I emailed the guy from the big apple who posted the news. He sez, it's fresh from the horses mouth :) which wouldn't be too much of a surprise. Makes us happy as we know the boys are at it!

Paragraph.

LG says hello!

Ever since I heard Donald's voice crack at the Woodlands, I've been thinkin', "Girl, you could smooth out that Ivy Leaguer!" But then reality rushes in and I realize I'm just like Whitney Houston: fixated on Bobby Brown's Gold Teeth.

And you wonder where all the good posts have gone?

Unh Uh, M----r -uck--, not on my Aunt Dione's -rav-,

Your Psychic Friend,

Little Black
Sally

Spicy Meatball - I'm sure you are familiar with the phrase 'A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing'

To borrow a phrase from Steely Dan 'Broadway Duchess (or Duke) if you only knew half as much as YOU think you do'

No matter how much you THINK you know, you don't know the whole story, stop trying to interfere.

JABBADABBADOOOOOOOO!

How`s life? No new posts today? How come?

Godnatt,

Clas

I never realized how much fun one could have on earth! I mean, Hawkings was OK as long as he didn't drool on you. And my bat-faced female interns were allright in the planetarium, but if I'de have known this Dan banter was so hip I never would have signed that life-crushing contract with Parade Magazine. Too bad Mizar-5 is no longer "booming"--me and Walt "Blue-Balls" Disney were looking forward to some serious carpet-bagging.

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StAl: seem to be having trouble with text disappearing in the comments section (then re-appearing or disappearing on the post). I had this problem be before switching from Nescape to IE a couple of weeks ago and the problew went away. Ideas?

Aja: It's 60 degrees and sunny here now. The wolves are going out to play this afternoon.

Oleander: With Green Acres of good intentions, I flipped on the tube late last night and was horrified to see Tom Jones massacre your theme song...he wasn't wearing a hat...Isn't Michael Omartian glorious as HATWW builds to a crescendo?!

Kinky: After hearing a tape of last year's tour, it must be akin to developing a taste for limburger...but then what about those rumors of Krantz in the studio? Perhaps it's a "pink noise" test of the sound equipment.

Highly recommended: GRP All-Star Big Band: "All Blues"... Finally found a CD copy a couple of days ago...Another great

test of the studio sound equipment

Highly recommended: GRP All-stars Big Band: All Blues...Finally found a CD copy on Wednesday. A great tribute by organized by Dave Grusin and co. to Miles, Mingus, Monk, Silver...great songs and shimmering horn charts with the Brecker Bros, Chuck Findley, etc...my wife is ribbing me for exposing our 2 and 5 year old spunks to "music appreciation." Censored right!

Hey George; just been to Berlin for a while and I found a copy of Steely "Art Crimes" in the cd-store just beside Ku´dam that braggs about beeing the biggest in Europe. Can´t remeber the name. Very nice cover BUT it´s the same old Stone Piano and other boring stuff on it. Didn´t buy it.

Hey, I got his name, he plays with Chicago too, BILL CHAMPLIN. He stole the show from Graydon a couple of years ago in Stockholm, funnier than a madd mother.

AJA, how are you?

Ruby; censored thinks you are cute.

Zeke; do you know wich canal I am talking about?

Hi,
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StAL, hey, is something wrong here, my name are replaced with the word "censored". I guess you better check Win-Ini, line 143, dll-file. Should be 756.99.dll.

Hi,

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Saw another Krantz show in the Village last night. No DF, but Blue Lou Marini sat in on a few and Paul Shaffer was hanging out. Wayne's really beginning to grow on me...like a fungus.

Fogel - We missed you, but I think Shari had a better time with me anyway, sucker.

Q - This one turned out great! I'll trade you for the 76 Tour Rehearsals.

Skinny Girl, Yes, a Yankee by birth and during the summer here in Florida, I melt (just can not take this HEAT). But, even my birth place is a few degrees shy of 45 N. Now, after over a decade in FL, I freeze below 60 (and I used to think that was a perfect temp).

Well, I hope that you're keeping warm up in the land of ice and snow. I do miss watching the snow fall or waking up to everything blanketed in white and so quite and still, or seeing a tree turned into crystal by freezing rain and ice.

Hmmm, now I'm in the mood to hear "Snowbound".

(I take fan59's advice and say, "Love",
Aja

Edd--North Dakota??

Aja, Skinny--Well, I was born in NORTHern Virginia. Later for the wedding.

This has been a good Steely week for me. First, I took St. Al's BMG tip, ordered "Citizen Steely" on sale, and yesterday (slow on the uptake as I am) listened to "Western World" for the first time. And had that warm slow new Dan feeling for the first time in a decade and a half (maybe it will tide me over until....). The imagery does not disappoint. Of course, my major dude could not believe that I acquired YET ANOTHER set of the Steely oeuvre, but we've all run into THAT attitude before, n'est-ce pas? Later, I caught him immersed in the booklet. Also yesterday, I found "Greatest Hits" in the vinyl bin of my favorite indie tune shop (Almost Blue). I'm no seeker of Danarcana, and my turntable