one should assume a lobotomized Georgia cracker
Finally back from trick-or-treating, and Emma is in bed, dreaming of what costume she can talk me into spending at least 2 weeks making for her next year...Cyn -- Emma stopped and talked with me about the full moon as all of the other kids were running and screaming towards the next house. Sadly, if not for Emma, I wouldn't have noticed.
W1P - your daughter, a lion, very sweet. I remember when Emma would let me dress her in whatever I wanted. She was a leopard at your daughter's age - a simple costume ordered from the Lilian Vernon Catalog by my dad, and mailed to me. Then she turned 15 months old, and for the next month or two, most of what she said in response to me was "NEVERRRRRRRRR!!!". Now she's 6, and a cool kid, with a mind of her own and a wonderful imagination. This year she absolutely HAD to be Sagwa, the Chinese Siamese Cat, which is character on a new show on PBS. I've never seen it, so I had to rely on what I could find on the internet to figure out how to make the costume. Just the mask itself took about 8 hours total, because of several colors of fur, layering each and shaping the layers, etc. She was quick to point out every minor deviation I made from the "real" Sagwa. I gotta admit, it turned out great. She has worn the costume to 4 events now, and not one single person knew who she was (who Sagwa is). But she was happy, and SHE knew who she was. She asked me to dress as a black cat - easy costume - dance leotards, pin on a tail, borrow her dress-up black gloves, and I'm done.
Sorry to get distracted by the costume stuff. I complain about it, but I love it at the same time. I love seeing her eyes light up when I show her a newly-finish part of the costume (the white gloves with the tan fur attached and trimmed in all the right places).
St.Al, -- Speaking of kids, how silly of me to assume you'd fly away from your family to see a show. I know how impossible that is to arrange. I also know that family time is hard to come by, and is truly precious. So the obvious solution is that you bring your wife and child with you! If you come to SD, I have a plan - I have it all figured out. E-mail me so I don't have to bore everybody else with the details.
Aja -- escaping for hours -- that's what dance classes have been doing for me. I had never done dance in all my life, but at Emma's dance school they have adult classes, so I started with jazz a year ago, then added ballet and modern in January. It kicks my butt, fries my brain, drenches my body, and I still can't get enough. Especially ballet. My mind is so full of details about how certian muscles and joints should be used in any one position or series, and there is no room left in my brain for any distraction. I am *gone* during those 2-3 hours per week.
Wormy -- I know you know I have a board tape (turns out it's the only tape) of the show. I tape nearly every show we do, then I take it home for instant feedback on my own performance so I can learn how to improve. Secondarily, I use the recordings to suggest other vocal arrangements, or to call certain parts to Bob's attention.
I have a deal with Bob. I can make a board mini-disc of anything I want, so long as it goes nowhere else. I use the recordings as feedback and rehearsal for myself, then I file them away. I'll certainly talk to Bob about your request. How he'll respond, I don't know. But I don't mind asking.
Listening to the recording is such a let-down, because everything that made the show so cool (for me) isn't on that recording. The room itself - the shape, the sounds, the colors, the smell. The people - where they stood, how they moved, individual facial expressions, people mouthing every word to every song, special eye contact with some. For me, it's just another recording to learn from.
Good night by night now.
the average quality
Present company excepted,
Present company excepted, IMHO the average quality of posts within the last 48 has risen sharply. I hope you will stay Lars.
Theres a scratch on my vinyl..Sorry for the repeat.
Yes..I will have another drink.
Beat Ya!
Yes..I will have another drink.
Beat Ya!
Gosh, Dragon..Do I have to pay you for your prediction about nice vacations? That was good..gave me shivers, on Halloween, no less!No one mentioned the full Moon tonight...first time in 46 yrs, won't happen again til we are all gone. I mean Wayyyyyy gone..like 2467? or so.
Someone dissed Aja? They better leave the country. May I suggest Afghanistan? I heard they were lookin' for recruits. No one disses Aja..and gets away with it!
About 500 kids,15 pounds of candy(or so) later, and I'm still on my feet. OK, I'm sitting at the computer, I can't lie (or lay, no room) here,...lol.
Duncan , Sweetie Darling...first you have to wish us (here in the U.S.) Happy Thanksgiving before Christmas. It doesn't count unless you acknowledge Thankgiving first. Give my best to Linda! I'll be the first to wish you both Happy Boxingday.jj..NO! FRIDAY? OMG...I'll have to cancel everything else...Does eLLe know this bit of news? Thanks for the tip..I owe ya!
Jimmyyyy#...OK, for real this time? I'm not getting all ready for yous to show up...until I hear it straight from Mrs.#! Yeah. I know, you're thinkin', "What?, She doesn't trust me? Call me...you got my number!
Well, its all confirmed...We take off for St. Croix on Thurs. the 8th. We get to take all our troubles away from here...and dive deep into that clear blue water, to maybe cleanse our souls . I talked with an old friend there from 22 yrs. ago..We are going riding with her in the rainforest, hills and beach on Sat. I rented a Jeep and Codys SO pissed that he can't drive it, but he gets to be my co-pilot. His job is to keep telling me to drive on the LEFT. I'm sure there will be a few less mongoose when we leave the Island...
This is the best I can do for my sons right now..these will be memories that have no price tag attached.They can not be replaced.This is my chance to show them a place where I had spent some of the best years in my life.To teach them about my love for the Islands.I chose to rent a house as opposed to a hotel..CUZ..If I don't want to brush my hair before 10 am..I don't have to. I can teach my youngest to snorkle right off our beach..and...I CAN SWIM NEEKID AT MIDNIGHT (with Steely Dan on the CD)...if I want to,..LOL. And we can eat popcorn for breakfast..or chocolate cake.Thanks for letting me get all this out...some people don't understand..won't mention ANY names..psssst(PAUL'S FAMILY).
Happy Hallowe'en!and for tomorrow
Happy All Souls Day!
draggin -- everyone doesnt need an escape, airhead.
s -- I've seen Clas bashed for far more than he has deserved. I think some people just get into the habit of bashing him because he has a different viewpoint than most of us and then they just continue. While I don't always agree with Clas it is refreshing to get someonelse's POV. Sure he can be mean but when you are stuck with pointy sticks as many times as he has you'd be in a foul mood too.steviedan -- So sorry to hear about Bartok. Twenty-one years that is a long life for a feline. My condolences. It can be so hard to lose a little family member and so many don't understand that it is just that and not a pet.
you know it's sad but true -- Everyone needs an escape from the rotten monsters of their lives from time to time. For some it's a massage at the spa or a seat at the game for others it's nice vacations for others it's books and some it's music. At least it wasn't drugs for Aja, so why is that sad?
Go crawl back in your cave and don't come out for another year, Goblin!
HA HA HARDEE HAR HAR
Lars,I think Blaise may be hanging around his own board. Clas is Clas, etc. Many internationals come in and out: Dano, Duncan, etc. They are all welcome.
I do not believe that one should assume a lobotomized Georgia cracker represents us as a whole:
""Vidya Reddy, an Indian graduate student, described a recent experience as she put up a flyer on a campus bulletin board. Someone passing by said to her, "Around here, nuke the Taliban is our motto," she said."
Any informed person would know that a) India is a bitter enemy of Pakistan and the Taliban and b) there are 300 million Arabs and 1.2 billion members of the Islamic faith. The US is in conflict with a very small group of fanatics that in now rational way represent the interests of the majority.
As ignorant as was the comment, it seems bizarre that the Indian student, or more likely the reporter, would seriously globalize the perspective.International granduate students are not likely to drop. They will continue to be in demand as they often work harder than their American counterparts. However, I feel that after 9/11 American students resolve to put forth more effort and perform.
Present company excepted, IMHO the average quality of posts within the last 48 has risen sharply. I hope you will stay Lars.
You guys (The 'Damned) were my escape when life was really tough, letting me forget everything
for 4 hours or so and just get ecstatically high on great music. Hope you have a similar escape for the tough times-it helps so much.
Aja....thank you for the kindest of words. I really appreciate it!Hank....I'm on the mend, thanks! Did you see that Moon rise tonight? It was a thing of beauty!!
hmmm....I only see the one auction that's Steely Dan related and it's a poster autographed by Donald and a small toy grand piano also autographed by Donald. Nothing from Walter and he lives in Hawaii?
What's up with that WebDrone?
some nice items from other artists there as well. Shame Clas left or he could have bid on the autographed Jackson Browne song book.
one can easily take this trip while bidding ... right?http://www.steelydan.com/tourcentral.html
YES AJA, SWIRL ON :-)
Aja: Back to daily posting none too soon...:-)
Both Walter and Donald have done a turn as guest DJs on listener-sponsord KKCR Community Radio in beautiful Kaua'i, Hawai'i.We now learn that KKCR will be running their Fall Freedom Membership Drive and Auction from Nov 1st through Nov 12th. Among their long list of auction goodies are a few autographed items from Donald and Walter.
You can bid on these or any other item by e-mail.
Check out the "Fall Freedom" link on KKCR's website for details:http://www.kkcr.org
Hey angel-thanks for the shout-out. Work is going well actually, I'm just one of those people who's always moving on to the next thing. Not sure how long I'll stay here, it's great work and pay is good, but very intense and demanding.Hi Peg-thanks for the tip, I'll check out the website. You guys (The 'Damned) were my escape when life was really tough, letting me forget everything for 4 hours or so and just get ecstatically high on great music. Hope you have a similar escape for the tough times-it helps so much.
Midnite-what can I say, you are hands down one of the nicest people here!
YGK-San Diego is great, hope you get out here someday under the circumstances you imagined. Glad to see you back, buddy.
steviedan-condolensces on Bartok, but take comfort in the fact you gave him 21 years of feline bliss.
Floridavid-glad you're back on the mend.
Sending vibes to south Florida, summoning the voodoo chile' for some juju and storytelling.........
Back to work swirl,
Aja
did i forget that one word ... n o t having spelled :-)Tonez, Caldera on its way starting tomorrow. Do you know Steve Tavaglione, the flute and saxman of Caldera happens to be one of John Beasley's best friends? I stopped counting being amazed at coincidence which is mused by the joined forces of synchronicity and serendipity. Must be. And he was also in a band with Gary Willis from Tribal Tech once ... Music is such a vibrant rewarding thing ... Joy for those who listen, appreciation to those who give us those pleasures. They work in a field where vibes come and go, like we witness here on the pale yellow. One can't control what's in properties of emotions and senses, so one has to rely on skills and technique as well. Just have this willing ear and see through onto the essence.
The rewards are priceless!Banyan Tree Viva Musica For It's Alive Bow,
G.ps, may Bartok rest in purrrrrr
Howdy Dragon, you'll always be the Dragon In Your Dreams! this yellow is a tough thing to read sometimes, its got a soul or tarpit of its own, as if one can't guess when or how or why it screams at ya or rubs you gently ... so no offense taken!Lars, you knew about Mose the Fireman, did ya? If i recall right you were the one bringing it up in the Blue Book ...
And i wouldn't really worry about this board. Clas will resurface sooner or later. Some of the hostility here towards him is like a token of being guilty as not charged when looking in a mirror because the lights were on. But the truth serum only works when the lights are off, see. It's when the weasels come out. Don't take me wrong, i got nothing against weasels. Rickie Lee Jones even sings about one of her best friends being a weasel, so ...So i take it i didn't have to feel stupid for not knowing who John Beasley was last year or for having spelled the Official Dan Page from a to z or else i would have known ... So i take it most Dan fans who come around here are just as ignorant as i am, perhaps on different Dan topics but still. In fact, i don't have to feel less than any regular AMERICAN Dan fan who is supposed to be closer to sources of information than i was, being from Europe and the Netherlands where we had no Metal Leg or die hard fans organizing Danfests and such. What a relief ... piu-piu!
Chuck Rainey, Bernard Purdie, Larry Carlton, Cornelius Bumpus, Chris Potter, the Babe Choir. This is a good time to check the Beaz out, you know. It's like wine from the Dan vintage ...
Chateau 1996 du 2001. And it won't stop when it's 2002!Banyan Tree Bring the Weasels Out Bow,
G.
steviedan: Bartok must have had a great life with you. Condolences for your loss.Midnite: Nice photos. That's the life, all right -- now get yourself healthy enough to fully enjoy it.
FloriDavid: That goes for you, too.
ole: Honk!
Now, to Cracker Barrel...sudden craving for gravy and biscuits and gravy...
LP Mine is the same as the late Mr Feynman (true hero)
bx-2115
glorious sight to behold
Passed
chat?
ygk....paradise? nah, we pass up a lot by living in the sticks....just think of all the things you'd miss in the city if you were hours away....we just chose to lead an easy, laid back lifestyle with little stress....not paradise but we like it.here's a shot looking south from the Second Ave. Pier at Myrtle Beach just after sunset that I took last week. It was still warm enough to play in the surf then. Not this week!
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/SunsetSouth.jpg
OMG - did I just post THAT?!!!!!
duncan, you passed, you nutcake!16. What's your favorite planet, constellation, or wormhole?
I'm interested in Astronomy!!
Anybody else care to discuss string theories or anything big bang related.
Time, space ,GUT's either
Or am I in the wrong place again !! lol
db
NO really i'm serious
Lighten up will ya
db
Syd cuts on the new Floyd "best of" Arnold Layne, See Emily Play, Astronomy Domonie, Bike and Jugband Blues
YGK ~ Welcome back, brother...drop me an e when you get a chance...
duncan--- are you retarded?
Dohh
Happy New Year!
grog my arse !!
For somebody who drinks both wine & lager if I'm reading this fabulous news right I must be as fit as fuckStAl many thanks for the CD-R stuff busy backing up my back up's
Dano: Dano, Dano, Dano cant wait to meet u sounds like you got the other gud un there keep her
(babysitter is daughter of my partner) NEVER NEVER mix business with pleasure LOLSteverdan check e-mail
Ykg hello
Chips e- me please
LP: failed I think !!
Clas what about my tape ?
VP: xxxxx
We have put the clocks back an hour here ? so feel closer to you all if that's poss
db
grog my arse !!
For somebody who drinks both wine & lager if I'm reading this fabulous news right I must be as fit as fuckStAl many thanks for the CD-R stuff busy backing up my back up's
Dano: Dano, Dano, Dano cant wait to meet u sounds like you got the other gud un there keep her
(babysitter is daughter of my partner) NEVER NEVER mix business with pleasure LOLSteverdan check e-mail
Ykg hello
Chips e- me please
LP: failed I think !!
Clas what about my tape ?
VP: xxxxx
We have put the clocks back an hour here ? so feel closer to you all if that's poss
db
Duncan - Easy on the grog, big fella.
Now that haloween's out of the way may I be first to wish all the GB'ers a HAPPY CHRISTMAS
LOL
Easy -- just consider her audience.
How can someone who calls him/herself "The Truth" go through life so clueless?YGK: Yes, I forgot to mention. Good to see you around again.
If the Yankees don't win the series I'm going to be very disappointed.
I can't believe I said that.
Hey! Don't forget about Hoops' Danfan Nite Out shindig. Let's have some fun people! http://www.dandom.com/niteout. Anyone making plans?
I've got to say it's been good to see some of the "regulars" posting again.
W1P
Any of Syd's on the new one ?
The history of the dispute between Gilmour and Waters is facinating and documented in several interesting books (Sacuerful of Secrets being a good place to start). The Pig dispute was indeed settled by permitting the Gilmour-led Floyd to use a Pig with testes. However, this new "best of" release has the participation of both camps. Thus, Roger's "When the Tigers Broke Free" -- a song that appears only on The Wall movie soundtrack. Another interesting choice is The Fletcher Memorial Home from The Final Cut (a Roger solo effort in all but name). Based on popularity, you would think that Not Now John would have made the cut (not to mention Free Four). But Fletcher is a VERY heavy song. Anyway, Roger's participation in this project means that there is no need for testicles on the Pig. As for renting a flatbed truck and playing an impromptu set at Capitol Records, that is a GREAT idea. Unfortunately, as a hypocrite, I can't pull this off right now because our keyboard player has a trial starting next week and is out of commission. Finally, this Saturday I am attending the premiere of a movie called Tribute The Movie http://www.tributethemovie.com which features the Queen tribute Sheer Heart Attack (fronted by "Tribute Band Legend Steve Zukowsky -- rhythm guitarist for Which One's Pink?).Peg -- thanks for the report on Nawlins. Needless to say, we're BUMMED that we missed it. My 19 month old Aja is dressing as a Lion tonight -- what does a Lion say? Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
"what's happening on this board": if you note the GB History, what's happening on this board is exactly what's been happening over the past 6 years. This board resembles Normalcy more than ever. People getting pissed off, leaving, threatening to leave, Clas being an Asshole - I mean, what's more Normal than that? You rubbing his backside. I mean, this is just a Normal fucking day!
excerpt from a forum at University of Georgia:"Vidya Reddy, an Indian graduate student, described a recent experience as she put up a flyer on a campus bulletin board. Someone passing by said to her, "Around here, nuke the Taliban is our motto," she said.
In ordinary times, she would have tried to have a calm discussion with the man, but not now, she said.
"I was suddenly very conscious of being an international student and just let it pass," she said.
International students on campus, no matter where they are from, have learned to keep their non-American perspectives to themselves, and only talk about the issues among themselves, she said.
An audience member described something similar. When he has tried to talk about it, he's often told, "If you don't like it, just leave," he said.
Reddy said that could be exactly what happens -- that many international students simply choose to go somewhere else -- which would be another sizable blow to the American economy.
A half-million international students bring about $12.3 billion annually to the United States, which makes education the country's fifth-largest service export, she said."Has this any bearing to what's happening at this board? Blaise, Gina, Clas ... .
Frost on the brain....
Duncan: Yes, I should have seen that. Too early in the morning I guess.Steviedan: Losing a pet is very traumatic. My condolences. My latest two are strictly indoor cats from day 1. They don't miss what they've never experienced( although they go to the door and look out). Since coyotes have reintroduced themselves to the area about five years ago the local cats have taken a serious population decline.
Cyn: Patsy and Eddy are back this Friday nite at midnight AST.
St. Al: .....so I guess it makes you wonder what the "String Cheese Incident" really was....Angel: I don't really feel I'm 'back', but perhaps the haze begins to resemble something like me
JW: howzit?
Aja: how's SD? I still imagine making a trip......it's a need.....
Peg: Saw you in March - couldn't chat - but you guys sounded great.....good to see you
Lady Bayside: remember the old days? 54? business lunches and the witch neighbor at work? me too. soooo long ago. pining for them
David: just whisper "go yankees" - no yelling for you....
Steviedan: sorry for your loss. I've been getting the "what the fuck is up, dad?" look from mine lately, and I've been giving insufficient answers. However 21 years is a great time.
MC: is it me, or do you live in near paradise?
µ: how you doin?
Jim#: how YOU doin?
Dano: I'm alive, mate - workin on the living thing......
lp: I wish you were closer, too (wink)......
Aus: babes is losin it? or is she enlisting?
YellowstillaGreatKolour
And we forgave drug-addled brains the whole time. No need to worry, floridada.
Dragon? I know we be chasing it 'round here since way back when in '67. Where the hell am I?
St Al- That's right. Dragon has been around a long time. You would figure by now she would know Clas is a mean piece of shit. But then again, your his best friend around these parts....says a lot about you Pat.
S: Dragon has been around here longer than you know.Peg: Sweetie, it ain't the money. It isn't really the time. It's much more political. How do you tell your wife, who wasn't been on a vacation in close to 2 years, that I'm going to (Sunny) San Diego without her? Or an even better question. What to do with a 1 year old?
Real Italian: You are a jackass.
Ward, I made you your Halloween treats, dear, your favorite! Oh, and, will you wear those Groucho Marx glasses home tonight, that always makes me laugh so.....tee hee! I'll have your martini ready!Have a nice day saving the world! I'm off to find Batman!
david - lotsa honey in your tea and a little scotch - glad to see you backis anyone with kids boycotting halloween? hope not....a full moon to boot, woo hoo!
YGK- Hey Malcolm,I just wanted to say a special Welcome back to you my friend. I hope that things are looking up for you. Hang tough and keep playing as I always tell you.Fuck what's trendy or what smoke people blow up your ass...play what you feel.Your Pal, David
Hey All- It's been a few days and I can speak softly a few words at a time. I'm thrilled to still "have" a voice.Thanks for all the warm well wishing.
Big shout outs to; Ole,Aus,SnakeHips,MizDucky,StAl,Dragon,Chere,SteveeD,Angel,Wormy,MidniteC, SteveeD,Cyn,MidniteC,Dano,Aja, LP,Jim#,Gina,TampaQ ,Mu,Howard,JW Malibu,NYBill and anyone I have missed , please forgive my Drug Addled brain. You guys Rock. David
W1P: I have not seen the pig, except on that lovely web link you sent, but I had read that it was there in the Sunday LA Times. I loved your description better then the actual pigcam shot, BTW.steviedan: As one who also lost a feline member this year, I send sympathy your way. The goodbye look, indeed.
Ok, who is going to tell my relatives, some of who are over 80 years old, that sauce is not gravy? Hmmmmm? Not me.
Peg: Send the soundboard to the Worm. :-)
Aja: Thinking of changing careers already? You just got this job. Happy 2nd Anniversary.
YGK: Definitely glad to see you posting again. Good luck to you.
Happy Halloween to all of you....
peg - it's was great meeting you too, come back next year
any chance at a soundboard from the show?W1p - Dan take your band and do an inpromptu jam in front of the pig at capital - might have to rent some generators but it'd be great! (hope your daughter is better)
Aja - glad to see you back in style
Stevie - sorry to hear of Bartok's passing
I'm a nine liver myself, and I've miss-counted past 5 somewherewhat no girls in "I GOt the Blues"?
are you insinuating Rosie or Danny Boy?
yes dear how did you know?1)DVD 2)5 3)Me, Myself and Irate 4)Roam 5)D- Goldblum, W-Thorton,
6)it's a shure thing 7)6 string nirvana
8)all but first two, box, two of Aja and RS for audio testing
9)wasn't he an extra in Animal House, not much
10)Phair, Vega, Mitchell 11)Woodrow Wilson
12) crackdown on sleazy 70's porn 13) muzac version TBTLO in work elevator 14)Nakamichi car deck and hadrosaur tooth
15) pope on a rope +)don't do bonus questionswt
steviedan....I'm so sorry to hear about Bartok....I got to meet him briefly before we went to see the Eric/Derek show and he seemed like a really cool cat. In more ways than one. I feel for you my friend, it's hard to lose a family member like that after 21 years. It makes me appreciate our "fur kids" all the more. Our condolences to you and your family.jj....rake leaves? I don't mind working up a good sweat but because our house is in the middle of a forest with virtually no yard and huge trees all around, I bought a back pack variety leaf blower this year. I'd have arms like Arnold with blisters as big as the muscles. Appreciate the advice though!
for the last time, gravy and sauce are two entirely different things!! There's milk gravy, red eye gravy and other types then there are hundreds of sauces. We here in Virginia don't have any trouble differentiating, right Jim#?
W1P, JDubs, Duncan....all this talk of the pig brought back fond memories of the "Delicate Sound Of Thunder" tour. I remember the giant pig coming out during the show and flying out over the audience of about 60,000 people. As good as the "Pulse" tour was, with Floyd playing the entire "Dark Side of the Moon" album live, "Delicate Sound Of Thunder" show was the best combination of lights, music and total sensory immersion I've ever seen.
Aja....nice to see you gracing these pages again. Best of luck on the new career.
Ther ARE no girls, "bad" or otherwise, in "I Got the News."
jj I think it was a cat that died ( 9 lives )
db
Frost on the pumpkin...Steviedan: Your last post really disturbs me. Did your youngest sibling die? I hope I read it wrong. Please inform.
Technically speaking I thought Pink Floyd where left holding the balls.
I thought the courts awarded them custody of the balls on the condition that they did not to use a ''Pig'' as Mr Waters has sole right to use the ''pig''.
So that from that day on the Floyd where forced to use a BoarI could have dreamt all that though
db :)
WIP,
Thanks much for the info on the pig show. I think that's Meatloaf's brother-in-law. Saw him in Barney's Beanerie one night.
Hey assholes, it's sauce.
Wowowowowowowowo!1. ok. When I walked into our apartment, my governor sensed the restroom from the second I stepped into the elevator all the way up fifteen flights, then a brief fumble with the Tiffany key ring and racing in with the dry cleaning I picked up from downstairs, I opened the door finally and sprinted into a dark home, dropped the dry cleaning plastic bags on the floor and as I raced into the relief room Babes lets out a panicked yell....these motherfuckers have really done it this time. Tactical nuclear weapons. now. I'm tired of the anthrax. tired of the alerts. and tired of all these motherfucking politically correct faggots who are afraid of their own breath in the fall and winter. game over fuck heads. and sure...line up the next ten thousand osama bin shavins....the same exact fate awaits them too...obliteration bitch!!!!!! but not before a trial before the world and hanging.
2. The Yankee game tonight. Compleat debacle (getting in). I waited on line for OVER AN HOUR to get in. the security was incredible (metal detectors, pat downs, the works). As I emerged from the bowels of the IRT line I saw the Presidential Helicopters fly onto Babe Ruth Field across the street from Yankee Stadium...what a rush......the seats were phenomenal...and the crowd was equally great. Everyone got an American Flag and a commemorative World Series Pin on the way in....so sweet. Great win...great game. God Bless America. My head is still spinning from all the yelling. I personally gave out a few dozen American Flag pins to fans around me exibiting excitement, sexiness and a general great fucking attitude.
3. Welcome back Malc.
4. See ya clas.
5. God bless you all.
Aus
... after the last several nights of hopeless feline hospice, the family and myself spent a last day lolling in the warm afternoon sun with our smallest family member of twenty-one years, bartok, who was named for the hungarian composer bela. then, reluctantly i signed him up for life number ten and yes, he did give me the goodbye look. i wish it wasn't this hard...here's to my good old buddy...
clASS--- MORON! Get outa here already! No one cares about your stupid cd. Get a life you NO TALENT!
Just a quick note - I'm still recovering from New Orleans on Oct 23rd. I honestly didn't expect THAT many people, even with all of the advertising and support we received. There must've been at least 200 people, and I swear, the crowd did NOT get smaller as the night went on. If anything, they just crammed closer to the stage and yelled louder. How much fun that was...and they said New Orleans wasn't in to that Steely Dan stuff.....Wormy - so nice to meet you. Thank you so much for coming and for the comments that you posted.
Midnite Cruiser - yeah, I thought about your post from a couple of years ago, and it helped me to "fess up" and post about my situation. Things aren't any better, but they really are better, if you know what I mean. E-mail me so I can ask for advice. This is my first (and only) time going through this stuff, and all advice is welcomed.
St.Al. - So, what's it gonna take to get you to get away from Seattle to see The Damned, just ONCE? Do we, like, have to do a fundraising campaign to pay you for your time, or what? You won't go for the all-expenses-paid offer, so what options do we have left?
Oleander - I knew you wouldn't be there, but wished you were. I'm sure we'll have reason to meet up again someday.
Aja - Missed you. Next time we cross paths, tell me about your latest career endeavors. We're a small, non-profit institute doing biomedical research (www.tpims.org), and our staff will be increasing by about 20% within the next 2 months.
OK, I said it would be short. I need to get some more work done for my "real" (= "day", always "spilling into the night") job.
Love
Peg
Dragon, you haven't been here long enough to understand. To take on the specific items of Clas BS would take up way too much bandwidth. Basically the problem with Clas is that he is not a nice person and he wastes the space here with attacks on everyone. It's annoying and its driven away many Dan fans. I for one want him gone by his own choice. Please go bug someone else. And Dragon, go read some of the history of Clas and if you think he has been anything close to appropriate, you can go with him.
Randy, NYBill: That's more like it. LOL.YGK: any minor world. Welcome back buddy...
StAl -- tell Eric I said congratulations and tell the jOKER he can have my stash of green jello.BF -- Good luck in your choices for email.
Aus – Happy Belated Birthday!
Floridavid -- good to hear things went well.
Randy sorry to hear you had a bad week. Put on the headphones and listen to the Dan then let your body tell you what to do next, sit, lay, dance, jiggle, sing, play air guitar or sax or bang on drums... If that doesn't work, cry. Everybody needs to every now and then. Be a man and cry.
The Clas Bashers -- Cut it out! If you have a beef with something specific then give it to him, but calling him or any one else names is doing little more than trashing this board.
Clas -- I apologize for my second post last night. I should have left well enough alone but I was feeling lousy and well...
Gina -- I was also the taker last night. I just didn't feel like posting three times in a row and I really would like to know what you would do in a situation like that. I'm a bit of a pacificist (sp?) myself but in certain situations it's a no winner. It was nasty of me to have asked in the first place. I apologize to you too.To anyone who is wondering what is going on or where have I been I've been laid up with sinusitis. Hopefully getting over it now.
Sincerely,
Dragon
I've been on the GB for 2 years now-sheesh! Look what happens when you surf around at work at a place where they don't supervise the Internet! You guys are some of the best friends I've never met, and for those I have met I can't believe I met such wonderfully normal people in such a bizarre place! Thanks St. Al, it's been a gas and I'm looking forward to many more years of hanging out here.Hey there Aus, belated happy b-day and glad to hear Chere is doing great, but WHY DOESN'T SHE WRITE? I'd love a little juju and storytelling.....
lp, whatever happened with your interviews? Work here is still busy busy-I'm about to win my first unfair against an egregious district-my boss is very impressed. I've still got my eye on returning to something in medicine eventually-I seem to need to change careers every 5 years-and yes Dr. Mu, I'm taking your advice, thank you!
Where is Blaisie?
Is there a new one waiting somewhere in the wings yet?
Aja
MC:What's with all the pills? The absorption of vitamins and minerals in pill form is pretty low I've been told. Just eat decently. A good feed of turnipkraut or blueberry grunt will do you wonders, boy. And when I'm feeling shitey( that's the word du jour,eh) I rake! So get out there and rake up them leaves until you're sweating like a sumo in a sauna.
Zythromax! Holy shite! I hope you have a good health plan. Top of the line, drink lots of water during your regimen. No fooling.St.Al: Bayzil or Bahzil?
I don't understand the wringing of hands over breaking anonymity.
Granted permission should have been asked but I just figured the funny names were part of the game. Are you people saying something that your mom would be ashamed of?Lp: Thanks for the diversion.
1.neither
2.0
3.A.Best bridge B.Very polished C.Luv it
4.Rome, if you Juan to( only because I don't know much of their stuff)
5.Foster Brooks/Dame Edna
6.I love it when they use microphones.
7.real
8.0
9.Fifth grade teacher. Absolutely 0.
10.Kate Bush, Aretha Franklin, Annie Lennox.
11.no comment.
12.no comment.
13.grocery store-Black Cow(muzak)
14.0
15.the prime influence. Organized religion, don't get me started.
16.the prime directive-yes.
15.
MC: First rate picture of Shirl, nice.Do wish you could have backed me up on the red gravy thing though, lol.
JW Malibu, now that I have moved to Sherman Oaks, my commute to downtown takes me down the 101 right past the Capitol Records building. Yes, in honor of the new Pink Floyd greatest hits LP, the famous building (shaped like a stack of records (vinyl) with a needle on top) has had placed upon it a Giant Pig with a round banner that says "Echoes The Best of Pink Floyd" Today, it was overcast and dropping in off the Cahunega pass provided a grey, cloudy backdrop to the building/Pig that reminds me very much of the Animals Lp cover. If you want to see the Pig, you don't even need to brave airline travel. Log on to http://www.hollywoodandvine.com and there is a live "Pig Cam" that will allow you to share in the glory, of the royal pig. angel, have you seen this yet?
ooooooooo cool! A quiz...1. the PBS concert - do you have it on VHS or DVD?
VHS2. how many times have you seen "the making of aja"?
53. your thoughts on "i got the news"? "glamour profession"? "jack of speed"?
IGTN - Porn-funk, GP - doing cocaine at the disco, JoS - life in the trailer park after all that cocaine and disco. All three could have been used in the soundtrack of Boogie Nights4. if you were to use the B-52's in a bombing mission over the afghan terriorties, which one of their songs would
you play?
Dance This Mess Around, Mesopotamia, Communicate... and Wig just for the hell of it5. who should play Donald/Walter on the impending ABC made-for-tv movie due out summer 2002?
Al Pacino as Don, Jack Nicholson as Walt6. your thoughts on the microphones used in the 96 tour?
Horrible! My tape came out really bad with that little built-in mike...7. your thoughts on larry carlton's real or imagined influence?
Well, I've heard he taught Steve Lukather everything he knows...8. how many re-mastered steely dan cd's do you own?
All of them...9. who is john beasley and what does he mean to you?
NBA? Place kicker in the NFL? Does he owe me money?10. your top 3 female vocalists?
Laura Nyro, Yoko Ono, Cindy Wilson11. which administration do you blame for foul-ups, real or imagined, on the US middle east policies? if you are not a US citizen, then discuss the issue in general using BBC's website, please post url's only. Imho, we still mopping up the various messes made by the Reagan/ Papa Bush regime.
12. what do you think stood in the way for Swedish world dominance, either imperialistic and/or economic? Those little meatballs - they don't hold the "gravy" like the Italian ones
13. most ironic public place where you heard a steely dan song playing?
Heard Your Gold Teeth II in the grocery store one night -"Who are these children who scream and run wild, when all that you're looking for is in the next aisle?"14. your last e-bay purchase?
Audio Alchemy DDE v1.1 & DTI+ - great deal too!15. the influence of organized religion on attempts at world dominance?
Bumbling idiots. Everyone knows "it's the shoe!" And besides, Blofeld didn't need religion...and as a bonus question, should the world sign onto the prime directive?
Sure, though that gets tossed aside quicker and more often than a prom dress..
LP - Here are my quiz answers:1. I have the Plush show in both DVD and in video (I taped it off of PBS when it was first aired there).
2. I have seen “the making of Aja” 2 times all the way through (I do own it), but I have been watching the Peg guitar solo section and the Bernard Purdie (Purdie shuffle) segments a lot lately.
3. This could be a long response, so I will fight to keep it short.
“I Got The News” – This one’s about a guy who extracts sex from a society “bad” girl because he’s got the goods on her and he blackmails her into it.
“Glamour Profession” – The L.A. drug scene of the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. Complete with disco beat.
“Jack Of Speed” – This one’s about a guy who has gotten too deep into his drugging. He may act slick, look good, and talk the talk but “there’s no way back from there to here”.
4. Love Shack wouldn’t work. How about Rock Lobster?
5. I like the idea of using Jeff Goldblum for Fagen because he is a tall skinny Jewish guy who (many of you might not have known this) is a great, and I mean great, piano player. Walter Becker is harder to peg. How about Jon Voight with a beard and glasses?
6. They went for a “Shure” thing. Isn’t Roger Nichols an endorsee for Shure?
7. Larry Carlton’s influence is mainly over the listeners and fans (y’know, us). Larry, besides being a great guitar player and all around musician/producer is also very talented at taking a solo and making it an unforgettable historical performance. So, what I am saying is that Larry did not influence Donald or Walter (only people like Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington, and Ornette Colman – to name a few – can do that). Larry has influenced a whole generation of guitar players who all want to learn to play just like Larry. How’s that for influence?
8. I only have “A Decade Of Steely Dan” and “Gaucho” in re-masters, but I am working hard at building my live Dan CD collection.
9. John Beasley played keyboards with Steely Dan on the 1996 tour. I have both a video and a CD of the 7-21-96 show at Nisson Pavilion in Manassas Virginia, and Beasley is great. He has this knack for playing great stuff in “the spaces” at the end of lyric lines, or interludes that occur in various songs, but if you don’t pay direct attention to what he is doing, you won’t notice it that much. This is a great talent that many musicans do NOT know how to do.
A friend of mine who is in music publishing knows John fairly well. Beasley lives in the Los Angeles area and frequently plays at the nice night clubs around Los Angeles. I was invited to go see John play a few times, but for one reason or another I have not been able to go see him play. That is a mistake I plan to correct. As a keyboardist, I have a lot of questions to ask Mr. Beasley.
10. My top 3 female vocalists – I assume you mean in the world, not just recording or touring with Steely Dan. Barbara Streisand, Joni Mitchell, and Ella Fitzgerald.
11. It would be unfair to blame any single administration for a conflict that has been going on since ancient days, but in the context of the last 10 years, it would in my humble opinion be the George Bush (not dubya) administration that did not finish the job started by Desert Storm. America did not want to be overly intervening in the middle east region until the New York city bombings. Now, the game has changed completely and permanently.
12.
The Swedish sailing fleet was substandard to those of other countries of the time, and they did not have a large enough or varied exporting economy to generate the wealth needed to be a major player in the world arena.13. Just before my gum surgery, I heard a song from Two Against Nature coming over the dental office’s ceiling speakers. I think it was Jack Of Speed. Then came the needle for the roof-of-my-mouth shot, followed shortly thereafter by the ammonia capsule. Ow.
14. My last e-bay purchase was the video for the 7-21-96 Nisson Pavilion in Manassas Virginia Steely Dan show. I over-paid for it, but, I am happy it’s mine.
15. The influence of organized religion on attempts at world dominance is what shaped the world since ancient days. To a somewhat lesser degree, this influence still exists today. What began as a method of converting savages into civilized mankind became a regional and global power struggle for centuries. Bin Ladin and the Taliban use a convoluted concept of Islam to brainwash the minions they rule in an attempt to turn them against the western world.
Bonus Question: Should the world sign onto the prime directive? I know that I have seen this news topic since I watch the news many times a day, but, I do not remember exactly what the prime directive is, so, this is my wordy way of saying: I don’t know.
Quiz over - Thanks LP.
Steveedan
Dano = Irish Foster Brooks.Sorry just having more fun at other peoples expense.
MC: Dude, the thing about the fastin is the habits/metabolism don't change with the body. Stop, and, well, you know... I can totally relate. For it too has been my buddy before.
Angel: The krap they call cheese in green kan is not the cheese I like. Besides Reggiano, it's STRING CHEESE all the way.
Wormy: Make a point to check out the Austin City Limits String Cheese show. I think I made mention of this earlier in the year, but they've become my new favorite live band. They do an awesome version of Weather Reports "Birdland." Only complaint -- weak vocals. Tight-ass band though.
Randy,Thank You! Thank you for finally letting me get back at my
family. You see once I'm gone I'm going to leave this erector
set house to them in my will. I can think of no better way
of showing them just how I feel about being left here to
finish this project on my own... Futhermore, I guess there's
no reason to pay off this big,fat, Home Depot credit card
is there? No sir!, I plan on enjoying the remainder of my
time, oblivious to the same old fears and concerns that seem to
torment the average Joe. Hey, maybe I should have hung out with
the guys from River Sound a few years ago, I could have avoided
all of this trouble. Thanks Again.
St.Al, Hips, LP...,Most of the real italian people from Brooklyn and Queens seem
to refer to red sauce as "Gravy", and hey they should know
right? On Long Island we call it "Sauce" because that's what
it says on the jar.
NYBill
A marked man, who also happens to make an excellent wet t-shirt
contest judge ;)
Always trick-or-treat in groups of 400,000
Many troublemakers and dangerous people come out on Halloween night. To be safe, trick-or-treat in early March
Be sure child closes eyes before you drill eyeholes in mask
Tell your kids that if they see anything suspicious or scary-looking—for example, ghosts, goblins or witches—they
should run to the nearest neighbor's house and call the police
Do not ring doorbells under any circumstances.
"The Man Who Wasn't There", MC.....
also of interest, Richard Linklaters, "Waking Life"Nice Photo - I aspire to your wonderful condition!
ygk
dano....starting to feel better, thanks mate. Sounds like you've been having a blast. What is the Coen Brothers latest? O Brother was the last one I saw.OK, indulge me here for a second folks....or not....as I said earlier, we went to Myrtle Beach last week for a few days about the time I got strep throat and we took some pics while we were there. We're always taking pics but it's what we love to do. Anyway, I wanted to post a link to a photo I took of Shirl. Not to gush or anything, but I love this woman more than I've ever loved anything in my life. I never get tired of seeing her face and we have the best time laughing together and looking after each other. So anyway, here's a photo I took on the Second Avenue Pier in Myrtle Beach last week of the love of my life.
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/MyrtleBeachPier.jpg
MC
Had a stoater of a weekend .........Seen the new Coen dooser , had a few lashes at the wedding ,
missus went Garrity because i was a bit over the top . But she still loves me , and blasted CBAT on a long drive back. Does life get any better?? Only if i can see Duncans babysitter.YGK Baby , whats happenin mancub , hope your well topman.
Midnite ?? You cant be ill......no way man , get better dooser.
Dragon , Did you get ma e-mail.....blast me back.
Duncan , Have you ever had a chance to see Nearly Dan , check them out they play a bit round the UK. How is the bairn.
WHERE IS TONES , A SAID A SAID WHERE IS TONES??
lp , has Rob gone back tae China or what??
ole , have been listening to Ben Folds and got tae admit getting quite into it , will keep ya posteed.
chips , that made me really smirk as well i was creased severely.
TWM , Are you peely walie or whit bigman??
St Al , pass the Dead Horse (sauce) and cover it with
Army And Navy ( gravy ) old bean??Gettin a bit daft noo , so am outa here......
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano
W1P ~ There's a huge Pink Floyd pig on the roof of the Capitol Records bulding!
Fezo
Any DER news yet I'm on tender hooks here
db
Uh, Lizzy, people usually scroll a little before they post...
"NYBill":In reference to your post below (NYBill/The next one/Monday, October 29, 19101/21:49:50), it just so happens I have been under the employment of Messrs. Walter Becker and Donald Fagen in the event that circumstances as you have so succinctly described should occur.
We (Mr. Becker and I) have been more than aware of the unforgivingly "loose" atmosphere at River Sound, and have jokingly reprimanded Mr. Fagen accordingly on numerous occasions concerning the hapless, drunken slugs that run the place, all to no avail. It can now be revealed that part of the reason Mr. Katz was "bought out" was due to his ongoing concern that something like this would happen, which he just could not stand to see.
Now that the scenario you have described/admitted to has occurred, we have no other recourse but to put into effect what I ostensibly have been put on the payroll to deliver. Needless to say, you may want to visit relatives and make various obligatory phone calls to friends as soon as possible. It's important that you "wrap up" any outstanding financial matters so as not to add any additional burden to your immediate family.
Rest assured that we will be able to at least lessen their funeral obligations, as there will be no body to contend with, thus removing any "improvement" fees that may have been necessary otherwise. There is no need to thank us now, of course. You can do that when we see you.
Do what you can to get some rest; there will be a bit of walking involved when the date of our appointment arrives. If you prepare yourself in advance, I'm sure the whole upcoming experience will be far less unpleasant, and we can avert the more embarrassing elements (attempted bribery, pleading, weeping, etc.)
Enjoy the remainder of the autumn equinox and we'll see you soon-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Hi everybody i'm just back from a weeks course & wanted to speak to my new friend Clas.
Hi how's it hanging, What's going on ?
Lizzy
Clas, I'd much rather listen to the celebrity fawning from Hoops, Oleander and Fogel than to ANYTHING you have to say. I hope you are serious about leaving this Steely Dan guestbook to people who want to fawn over Steely Dan. So go back to your Ace of Base, Europe, Yng McVeigh Malmsteen, ABBA, Nazi collaborating nation and leave us alone. Good Riddance
roflmao sh - abba! too funny!!!!!next?
Nation's Grandmas Halt Production Of Afghan BlanketsWASHINGTON, DC— In a show of support for the U.S., the nation's grandmas announced plans Monday to stop knitting afghan blankets. "We must do our part to stand behind our country," said spokesgrandma Nettie Bennett, 87. "Even if it means my new grandson will have to sleep with a store-bought comforter, I will not make something named after a place that lets terrorists run around all willy-nilly."
1. the PBS concert - do you have it on VHS or DVD? VHS2. how many times have you seen "the making of aja"? 8
3. your thoughts on "i got the news"? "glamour profession"? "jack of speed"? sex, drugs, sex & drugs
4. if you were to use the B-52's in a bombing mission over the afghan terriorties, which one of their songs would you play? why, Love Shack, of course
5. who should play Donald/Walter on the impending ABC made-for-tv movie due out summer 2002? Donald=Bud Seilig (sp) Commissioner of Baseball, don't know who for Walter
6. your thoughts on the microphones used in the 96 tour Huh?
7. your thoughts on larry carlton's real or imagined nfluence? He just imagined it was real
8. how many re-mastered steely dan cd's do you own? All
9. who is john beasley and what does he mean to you? musician/producer, means nothing to me - really, i swear
10. your top 3 female vocalists Aretha, Bonnie, Joni
( but then there's Sarah Vaughan, Ella, Chaka, Eryka, Jill Scott,etc.)
11. which administration do you blame for foul-ups, real or imagined, on the US middle east policies? if you are not a US citizen, then discuss the issue in general using BBC's website, please post url's only Ugh12. what do you think stood in the way for Swedish world dominance, either imperialistic and/or economic? ABBA
13. most ironic public place where you heard a steely dan song playing Grocery store - Almost Gothic sounds weird there
14. your last e-bay purchase? N/A
15. the influence of organized religion on attempts at world dominance - insanity
and as a bonus question, should the world sign onto the prime directive? absolutely not, uh, what's the prime directive?
My dad's relatives were from Queens and they called it gravy. Cracked me up every time I heard it. :-)
Oh and St. Al. I had read your recipe several months ago and got a good laugh. Way to go, posting it on your website.
St. Al: Deeeeelish! I'm so friggin hungry now......sounds like an awesome fest.....ygk
Red Gravy = Italian red (meat) sauce.StAl = Italian American originally from Va Beach. Family from NYC
I know red gravy. See http://www.seanet.com/~stalfnzo/. Click on Steely Dan Cookbook link and scroll down.
Fact is, Gravy is a term unique to the philly/jersey area. Snakehips is correct. Jim# -- go eat some white bread.
So there's no confusion. Last statement was a joke.
StAl
read my lips -my friends from jersey/philly call red spaghetti sauce/marinara, whatever - "gravy" - yes they do! sheesh!
Red gravy? Red sauce?Red gravy = country ham, biscuits and maybe some collards.
Red sauce = that funny stuff they put on noodles in high priced resturants. Or possibly the fluid contained within almost any food enhancement product purchased from Louisiana.I hope this clears up any confusion.
YGK: hey pal
1. the PBS concert - do you have it on VHS or DVD?
2. how many times have you seen "the making of aja"?
3. your thoughts on "i got the news"? "glamour profession"? "jack of speed"?
4. if you were to use the B-52's in a bombing mission over the afghan terriorties, which one of their songs would you play?
5. who should play Donald/Walter on the impending ABC made-for-tv movie due out summer 2002?
6. your thoughts on the microphones used in the 96 tour
7. your thoughts on larry carlton's real or imagined influence?
8. how many re-mastered steely dan cd's do you own?
9. who is john beasley and what does he mean to you?
10. your top 3 female vocalists
11. which administration do you blame for foul-ups, real or imagined, on the US middle east policies? if you are not a US citizen, then discuss the issue in general using BBC's website, please post url's only
12. what do you think stood in the way for Swedish world dominance, either imperialistic and/or economic?
13. most ironic public place where you heard a steely dan song playing
14. your last e-bay purchase?
15. the influence of organized religion on attempts at world dominance -
and as a bonus question, should the world sign onto the prime directive?
lp - i work with a woman from new jersey, her husband's from philly and they call sauce "gravy" - for real!and Boz did "It's Over" (is that the name of that old song?)
so, there ya go!
1 None yet do you know weather it is available on 8 Track?
2 None see above
3 Least favourite track, Disco, Bluesey kinda neat
4 Rome
5 Guy Pierce & David Copperfield
6 where they swiched on ?
7 zzzzzzzzzzzzz
8 All of them
9 Nobody & nothing
10 Karen Carpenter, Madonna & Tiffany
11 www.dulldulldull.co.uk
12 Location, Location, Location
13 Art Shop
14 Never made one
15 Sex male / female : yes please
Duncan
hey ygk - god i have missed you so damn much - e-me when you can buddy okay?on the flu vaccination - i usually get one every year because of my job, i'm shaking hands with way too many people in a day - last year, there was a shortage in massachusetts so i could not get one because i was too young, and yet, i didn't get the flu, just a few colds and allergies, but i will try to get a shot anyway this year - the jury's out on their effectiveness and side effects, my arm usually hurts for a few days afterwards but that's about it
mexico city used to be the largest city in land area in the world - not sure if they still have that status - great fagen line, yes
snakehips- nobody i know on this coast calls tomato sauce "gravy" - in boston, it's "marinara", thank you, unless you are in the north end, then it's "meat sauce", am i right nmn? - lol - "gravy" must be some southern term, right jim#? -
had a meeting last night so i missed ally mcbeal, for shame, because i am a big fan of boz scaggs, did he play at the bar? very cool, if he did, what did he play if tha't's the case?
nybill - yes, good post, but people disregard posts here all the time - see my test way down from yesterday.....
Goodmorning friends --Q - I asked this same question months ago, and I got no response, so I feel like I am doing a good service by giving you this advice. What you do, is next time you see a "µ" like right here, just highlight it, copy it to Word for Windows (if you have that software) and then just do "copy and paste". That is what I just did. Or you can skip the "Word" step, and just copy and paste directly within the guest book.
Now what I would really like, is if Dr. µ or someone can post the "mu" character which looks like an "m" with a long downward stem (like a p) at the beginning of the letter (it is very similar to the "m" sign for Virgo). I would like to use this in my music charts since Steely Dan uses a lot of clustered 9th chords and they have called them "mu" chords.
LP - I was waiting for Lizzy to come back and take her quiz, but since no one has yet taken the time to submit answers to the quiz, I think I will take a shot at it. I would have waited a few more days for Lizzy to answer, but you made a request, and, well, I would like to try the quiz.
Clas - I forgot about the "Mexico City" line in "Maxine", but I really wasn't racking my brain that hard. Anyway, you are more entertaining when you are delving into music subjects instead of taking your political stances and responding to those who love to hate you. Oh well, that's horse racing for ya.
Angel - a rainy day in Los Angeles. The news reports that it is the first rain here in almost 6 months. The auto body shops in town are probably wringing their hands with glee.
Be back with my quiz answers soon.
Steveedan
wormy....thanks for the heads up on Austin City Limits....we have two PBS stations that run two different shows at the same time every weekend and I try to catch the beginning to see who's going to be on....consistantly the best show for live music over the years.ygk....good to see you peeking out again....hope you're doing well.
mu/ole....thanks for the info on vitamins and supplements....we've been big on wal-mart stuff the past couple of years....I always wondered about the differences between GNC and someone like wal-mart as far as quality of product goes. I think my biggest changes (after I kick this strep infection) will be to make an effort to get more exercise. I'm not into jogging but have some beautiful countryside and a two mile walk I've mapped out. I'd like to do that on all my days off (averages every other day off). Also, I'd like to up my vitamin E to 800iu and either try a vitamin C supplement or possibly try to get in a big glass of OJ every day. I know I need to increase my fruits and veggies intake but seem to have a real problem doing this. Given my triclycerides on my last blood work, I'd better be doing something! And one of the biggest things I need to so is lose some weight. I was at 6'3" and 205 for years and years and felt pretty good at that size (even though it's a little high) but the last 5 years or so I went up to 235 and have been there for over two years now. Carrying the extra weight makes me feel like shit and doesn't do much for self-esteem either. The only way I lost weight in the past (about 12 years ago) was with the aid of my old buddy Fastin which we all know isn't good for you. I felt great and lost a lot of weight at the time. Also depressed my immune system to the point of getting pneumonia. First and only time I've had that and it was rough. In the hospital for 5 days and out of work for almost a month. Took about 6 months to feel like I really got my strength back. After I recovered, my Dr. gave me a "pneumonia vaccine". He said it would be good for about 6 or 7 years and that I should have a booster at that point. Any thoughts on this? Also, do either of you have any thoughts on flu vaccinations? I've never taken one. Some people swear by them and some people swear at them. Seems to be a very polarized issue. I'm pretty much uninformed when it comes to them. Anything you guys care to share would be appreciated.
Y'all have a good day.
MC
(creeeeeeeeeeeak)
[looking around corner]Is "it" really gone?
Wow, could anyone have seen this behaviour coming from the swede? I mean, he never functioned this way before.......anyway - looking at all o yous through the smoke of a torrential fire......glad to see the regulars....
ygk
'tis a good thing I didn't send any masters to sweden'
Quote I"And Dragon - no, I am not drinking, I am straight as an arrow, so please, just fuck off."
Quote II
"(Apropos Pete Fogel - I had some beers some weeks ago, called Pete Fogel in Manhattan, I wanted to apologize for a few things I have said during the years. He refused to talk to me)"
Denial is NOT just a river in Africa, jerk-off.....
St Al - are you originally from the east coast? i thought that was the only area where they call red sauce "gravy"!
NYBill/R.H.S. - you crack me up! always enjoy your posts. check your email buddy.anyone else catch Boz Skaggs on Ally McBeal last night? short appearance, but nice.
lp - good to know you're online at home now. if i can stay awake, i'll see you in chat some evening.
no static at all...
NYBill: My grandmother always said you can never use too much basil when cookin' up a big 'ol pot of red gravy.
NY Bill. I loved it. :-)
NYBIllyes, your Riversounds post was funny
but you kindof lost us with all your negative posts beforepot and kettle comparing colors
Hello People...,Now look, Mr.Bill posted a really amusing post a few posts back
at it just got crushed under the wave of negative posts to
follow... Now that'll be enought of that! Here's a few simple
rules of posting so as to avoid futher confusion....1) When someone posts a funny post, You post a funny post.
2) Personal arguments will be taken outside. Got an email
account? Good..., USE IT.3) Try to keep your post Steely Dan related. If you cant do
that then try cooking advise. We can always use more
cooking advise...4) Please refrain from posting any items for sale that you may
have like ride-on lawnmowers or George Foreman grills or
Viagra cuz it gets us off track and besides whaddya think
this is, a freakin' yardsale or sumpthin?5) Consider NYBill's feelings before you post. I mean Mr.Bill
comes here looking for something enlightening or amusing
to read, something to brighten his day, not something that
will cause him to eventually take heart medication ok?
If we can just stick to the rules above I think we'll all be
happier, more relaxed, people... and we can take some of the
load off of an already overburdened psychiatric community.Thank You,
Bill
yes to patricia barber - someone gave me one of her cd's a couple of years ago and it's a standard jazz play in the house - she is very cool and smooth but has a modern edge to her work
q/mu/ole - my doctor is psycho about not taking all those vitamins at the same time due to absorption and actually cancelling out a combination at times, you may want to ask a nutritionist or your doctor (though many are not up on these things) about that - eg i have to take my levoxyl separate from anything elsetoo much information - the police
isn't anyone going to take my tests? pfft - couldn't we use a light break in here?
DR Mu - thanks for the antioxidanteQ - Patricia Barber has all the elements
give's Miss Krall a run for her money in the standards departmentAustin City Limits - this months entries include String Cheese Incident (MC) and MAry Chapin Carpenter/Nancy Giffith (StevieD). Check your local listings
The new Doctor JOhn disc Crescent Moon is a keeper, plenty of funk, gris gris and a tight backing band. Shout out to Chere on this one
Clas - are you reading a little far into this Steely Dan snob factor? Please lighten up just a little.
wt
"u" (shoot, I'm an idiot - do you have to capture that font offline?)THANKS!
Clas, goodbye, go to hell.Your endless dribble is one thing, but betraying somoene the way you have on this board is unforgivable. Kudos to Pete for refusing your call - you don't deserve any response. What are you going to do betray Pete somehow?(would be lies,anyway).
"u" - again thanks.
Stranger: Please e-mail me at the above addressClas: I'll respond to your message later. Seems my home e-mail client is giving me fits.
So many computer problems. You'd think I did this shit for a living or something...
What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding? Please people.
okay, one last comment, (I know, I said that yesterday too);Ivan ”the Stranger” Goldman - spare me, the GBook crashed yesterday and when it came up again some posts had disapeared. Among them Oleanders post and your comments ”they deserve to die”.
You have several times stated that Arabs are fucks, they should not come near civilized people. Civilized people in this case is Israel, who are, quite opposite to terrorists - ”civilized people”. Civilized people, a civilized government, is killing children and woman and other innocent Palestines, stealing their land and properties. With help from USA - money and weapon. that's terrorism. But you think that is alright, because ”if the Palestinas claimed that Philadelphia was their holy center, should we just give it to them?”
And Martha Oleander's is quick to agree; ”You have this amazing ability to hit the head on the nail Stranger”.
With those kind of arguments, well, that was a laugh... but the other night I saw those eight children dead, innocent, and you are saying USA are at war? Why are USA always at war in foreign countries, among poor people, bombing the shit out of them?
USA just want to control the oil-area, and I bet there's something behind that ”terrorist attack”.
So, if this is war, I have to chose side, and I aint going to take shit from stupid gringos anymore, and even if we had a good time in Paris, well, war is war, aint it?
And I can see those usual cheap shit comments ”he's not well, I feel sorry for him and Lena”.
I am perfectly well Ivan, in fact, I feel better than ever, because I have made up my mind, from now on I'm going to be an honest man.
And don't involve my wife in this, she's perfectly fine too.
And Dragon - no, I am not drinking, I am straight as an arrow, so please, just fuck off.
Martha Salyers - you're a coward, and what's so special with your name? I remember the first thing you said to me was;
”Let's see if you can pronunce my name properly, say M a r t h a S a l y e r s”
If I had been honest at that moment, I should had left New Orleans, tried to forget everything about control-freaks, Hoops, Pete Fogel and other Lime-light-tailers.
So, today is not too late, I'm out of here, I must be able to listen to Steely Dan again without come to think of Hoops and Fogel, Oleander and their discusting fawning for Steely Dan. Celebrity Whores.
Listen to Steely Dan without throwing up.
(Apropos Pete Fogel - I had some beers some weeks ago, called Pete Fogel in Manhattan, I wanted to apologize for a few things I have said during the years. He refused to talk to me)
StAl - you're a great guy, I like you, thanks for your patience during these 6 years, this has been a learning experience for me, for example; I now know how it is to be a stranger in a foreign country. That's good, I can look at the refugees who comes to Sweden and knowing a little what they're going thru.
Howard, Schwinn, StevieDan and others, you know who you are (I hope), nice talking to you.
Bye,
Clas Lundkvist
Hi Don and Walt!,I have some bad news. I stopped by River Sound earlier this
evening and I got to talking with a couple of your people
over there and well to make a long story short, they invited
me into the studio...Anyway after several drinks we all had a pretty good head
going and one of the guys says, "Hey Bill you wanna hear
some of the stuff that Don and Walt have been workin on?"
Well naturally i said "Hell Yes" y'know, and they lead me into
back and showed me all the boards and whatnot and qued up
one of the new tracks...Well, it was really excellent but as I was sitting there behind
the board I decided to make a few changes... Anyhow I spun a
few knobs and changed a few (well, maybe more than a few...)
settings on the computer and well, i'm not really sure what I
did but it just did'nt sound anywhere near the same when I was
done. I hope you don't mind... I mean I TRIED to set everything
back to the way it was but i was pretty buzzed at the time and I
really don't think that I got right. As a matter of fact one
of the guys said, "Oh man! This is Fucked!" and "Holy Shit!
What the hell did you do???" but I was'nt really sure so I
could'nt tell em'...Anyway, to make a long story short, I wound up back out on the
street with this bump on my head and I don't really remember
much after that. I mean I'm sure I messed a few things up but
you guys should be able to fix it right?.......right?
Bill
Clas read it and weep buddy. Don't hide behind your lack of ability to translate. You either don't know the history of your own country or you are embarassed about Sweden's failed attempt to conquer the world. I don't want you to die. I don't want someone to censor you. I want you to vountarily shut your own mouth and gracefully exit this space. I beg you. Please. Do it for your fellow citizens of the world. Just make the decsion to go elsewhere. Don't die, don't kill anyone. Just stop.
don't bother should you expect "juicy" details and such. i am not any wiser than i was before i talked to John Beasley on certain matters such as the Wetside q's ... still, it was nice to spend time with him and his friends and sit in an italian restaurant and have a bite to eat ...what a shame about the negativity around here. too bad, you are missing out a lot!
It is obvious why Walter Becker likes John Beasley and why they get along and work(ed) together. Should anyone really be interested, soon on www.walkingsatellites.com
While we were driving back to Maastricht and John Beasley kept me company so i wouldn't be alone in the car, he turned up the volume to Me'Shell's Peace beyond Passion asking me whether it would be nice for him to get involved in the Banyan Trees. What do you think i answered ....
Q: Wow. Very impressive.Exercise- 3 mile / day jog. Very good. Should boost antioxidant proteins and tone down the immune system. My belief is that heart disease is usually a form of auto-immune disease caused by lifestyle. Our ancestors 40,000 years ago walked. climbed. carried food supplies, etc over a 130 mile radius. We still have their genes. One theory postulates that inactivity and poor nutrition turn on and off key genes that greatly increase the risk of modern chronic diseases such heart disease and Type II (adult onset) diabetes. only a few people have genes from birth that condemn one to heart disease, But many have genes that can "fall off the cliff" without the right signals.
Exercise can keep the immune system in top shape: eager to attack foreign bodies, but not itself. Exercise also increases antioxidant proteins such as superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase that prevent proteins from damage and body lipids (fat) from becoming rancid. Oxidation of fats including LDL and HDL are now thought to lead to an maladaptive immune response and plaque formation in arteries. Tampa heat and humidity have an added benefit in that the heat stress increases a class of proteins called heat shock proteins that appear to be strong protectors of the heart. A colleague does some neat research with turtles that can dive for an hour without breathing. Heat shock proteins protect their hearts from oxygen deprivation. Also injecting animals with "extra" heat shock proteins stops or lessens the severity of a heart attack.
Healthy skeletal muscle has been found to raise HDL (good cholesterol - I hate these terms, but...) and lower LDL or bad cholsterol. More importantly, it protects LDL from oxidation which can trigger an auto-immune response and also helps the heart to pump blood more efficiently taking the proverbial piano off the back of the heart.
A new PAC group, of sorts, called RID has been formed to further funding for research into sedentary lifestyle as a disease contributing to many pathologies including heart diseae, hypertension, stroke, cancer, etc.
email George Pell or Dr. Frank Booth to request their periodic newsletter:
Rid@missouri.eduSomething that is as important as exercise is to consume as many servings of fruits and veggies as you can stand. The more variety the better. Graze at the old salad bar.
If your hematocrit is over 40, give blood periodically. I'm serious. Iron is a major catalyst of heart disease. Iron in hemoglobin is essential, but if you can keep your hematocrit at 40 or just under (you won't become anemic at these levels), there's a lower risk of atherosclerosis (plaque building) than 45+.
1000 mgs ester C twice daily
I hate to sound redundant, but I would get as much C from OJ, and 250 mg/day as a supplement (but no more). High Vit C + high hematocrit MIGHT lead to problems, but no longitudinal studies...
1000/1000mgs equal gamma and alpha E
800-1200 IU for someone with a family history protect fats from becoming rancid and prevents overgrowth of smooth musch cells in arteries that can choke off blood. Consistenly shown to reduce heart disease and heart attacks.
100mgs total gels Co-enzyme q-10
Might work, as an antioxidant in a live human, but not proven. Haven't heard of toxicity problems.
100 mgs of each B complex 3 times daily
Can't hurt. The CRITICAL B is FOLIC ACID, which removes homocysteine, a big time, but preventable risk for heart disease. Most "mature" vitamin formulas have enough folic acid (400-800 µg or mcg). Supplements are OK, too.
4000iu(?) Garlic(Garlinase)
OK, but Go natural. Emeril and 40 cloves... sautŽ in EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL
Alpha Lipoic acid - not sure dosing. Many supplements are 50-100 mg, which I think is a little low, in this case. Expensive but good stuff, though.
GNC "Mega Men" multi vitamin twice daily. Go into the local Wal-Mart, get some of the OneSource "Mature" multi-vitamins. You'll have more cash for Dan on e-Bay and a better formula for vitamins and minerals
Green Tea caps -not sure dosage
I've read a lot of good stuff about green tea as an antioxidant. Obviously, the best way to go is to BREW green tea. Relaxing stuff.
Zinc picolinate 25mg twice daily
Can't argue there. Only a small concern if your blood iron levels are actually low (which again is very positive re: heart disease risk)
Tocotrienols(68iu daily)
Pretty good. However, I would eat lots of mixed veggies and fresh seafood, instead.
EPA fish oil(900 mgs daily). Evidently, there were lots of EPA in the fish within the lakes of the rift of Africa where our ANCIENT ancestors were from...
Beta Glucan - no idea
Trace Minerals - see about Wal-mart Mature vitamins
Potassium - eat a banana instead
NO ANTIBIOTICS! except in emergency...
Actually, there's one theory and interesting epidmiological evidence that the major factor contributing to the small reduction in incidence of heart attacks over the past 30 years is the increased us of antibiotics. Things would be better, except that we're big, fat slobs now (I'm on my way - same weight fro 18 years then BOOM, a couple of years ago - I'm still reeling, but taking up power-walking and pushps)...
Oh, and 8-10 12oz Budweiser/week
A couple of glasses of wine (red best) or a pint of ale seem to be protective of the heart. It just doesn't get any better than this...
Not looking for "free" advice, but any thoughts?
That's close to the truth most of the time (in fact, we have to PAY to dissmeinate in print). Just thankful for an attentive audience...
Most people on this board can understand English fine. English is clas' 2nd language, and I think it sometimes leads to miscommunication, i would never, ever write or think people should die because of what they believe or say. i do believe that when you are at war, which we are, then you destroy the enemy. that means get them dead or captured. and that's all i meant and all i said. I ain't no war hero, but I was trained in the Army, and I know from my own life, not from Hollywood, that's how you prosecute a war.also, most of us understand that these terrorist crazies are trying to kill us and will keep trying whether we fight back or not. which is why getting them dead is the obvious course. nonviolence is beautiful. Gandhi and ML King are my heroes. but nonviolent resistance works only against a civilized democracy. against a hitler, a stalin, a saddam, it just gets you dead. i'm sorry for boring you with these self-evident truths. but i felt i ought to respond to these weird attacks from clas. My wife and I had some good times with him and his wife Lena. I honestly don't think he's well and feel bad for him and for her. I hope he gets better. and my name's not Goldberg.
Big Blackie--thank you for that.Dragon--thanx to you too, grrrlfriend. Right on about antibiotics. Too many run to them (both the sick and the provider!) when it's not indicated. They don't do shit for viruses--even the highly-advertised anti-flu meds don't give much benefit over rest and fluids (maybe 24 hours less symptoms. Maybe that's really important to some people.). I worry about tens of thousands of people taking ciprofloxacin for 60 days at a time for anthrax prophylaxis.
Q--The alcohol may be blunting whatever good you're doing with the other stuff. Remember that A, D, E, & K are fat-soluble and you can OD on them (see chronic hypervitaminosis A or D--no one can really say how much over the RDA is too much). And if you're taking all that PLUS a multi you should add 'em up to see exactly what you're getting. There is lots of controversy about the benefits & risks of super-physiologic doses of vitamins & other supplements, and since they're unregulated, there's a lot of trash out there masquerading as fact. Now Mu, there's a guy whose FIELD is antioxidants, so I listen to him. But the exercise and lots of fresh fruits & vegies and not smoking are probably doing your heart the most good. BTW, how you can take that much zinc daily and still shit is beyond me, especially if taking calcium too!
Well I'd save the thousands, if it were a sure thing.But I wonder what Gina would do?
Clas -- I had planned on posting a stop bashing Clas message but in light of your misguided tyrade (sp?) on Oleader and The Stranger...
You have to stop a man from reaching a button that would send a detonation signal to a bomb that would cause the death of several thousand people. This man is right in front of you, only a few yards away. You have a gun. But this man has a hostage, and he is hiding behind the hostage in such away there is no possible way for you to shoot the man without killing the hostage before the man reaches the button. Do you shoot and kill the hostage, or do you try to explain to the families of the several thousand people the man's bomb killed that you didn't want to be responsible for the death of the hostage?
Clas -- Have you been drinking again? Why are you attacking Oleander and The Stranger? I don't see where The Stranger said they deserve to die. So what are you talking about, buddy?Q -- That symbol you are looking for is called "mu". And no one should take antibiotics unless it is determined that they need them. In other words if you have the flu people you don't need antibiotics. You need lots of soup, herbal tea, lots more liquids and rest (this (includes)means staying home so you don't infect your co-workers).
LIZZIE FROM IRELAND -- Welcome. Ignore the trouble makers. And if your age is unusual for being a fan you are in the company of some unusual folk.
Sincerely,
Dragon
Dear Mr./Ms./Mrs. "u"(international units symbol?) (also,sorry I'm font challenged),Good thread for all, especially during "these times"
What are your thought on this regimne for "maintenance" - 39 yr old male/family cardio/stroke history...
Exercise- 3 mile / day jog
1000 mgs ester C twice daily
1000/1000mgs equal gamma and alpha E
100mgs total gels Co-enzyme q-10
100 mgs of each B complex 3 times daily
4000iu(?) Garlic(Garlinase)
Alpha Lipoic acid - not sure dosing
GNC "Mega Men" multi vitamin twice daily
Green Tea caps -not sure dosage
Zinc picolinate 25mg twice daily
Tocotrienols(68iu daily)
EPA fish oil(900 mgs daily)
Beta Glucan
Trace Minerals
Potassium
NO ANTIBIOTICS! except in emergency...
Oh, and 8-10 12oz Budweiser/week
Not looking for "free" advice, but any thoughts?
yeah marthalard
Clas: I'm glad you're leaving, go fuck some terrorist in the ass! You've got a LOT of fucking nerve breaking people's anonymity on here.
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/people/A0811456.htmlCharles = Carl
MC: Hope it works out. Hand in there...
now that was fairly funny... amber's such a sap... i swear those kids make women dopey... and then they finally grow up...
mu....thanks for the info....I'll likely try a few of those that will work with my current set of circumstances.St.Al....not to worry, the faithful will keep coming back as long as there's a place to come to.
angel....what is it about time shares that you don't like? You seem to have a pretty strong opinion regarding them and I'd like to know more about it! Post here or e-mail me at:
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com
MC
... Sometimes, the inflammatory limb can go into overdrive which can damage tissues...American male
olive oil and fish ... Act as membrane stabilizers
MC: I wonder if you're run into an antibiotic resistance strain or antibiotic resistance has been induced. It seems if the docs are trying different classes that that should help, but...The immune system is complex. Activated white blood cells (leukocytes), Natural Killer Cells, T-cells ,etc. are important in warding off disease. Sometimes, the inflammatory can go into overdrive which can damage tissues and impede defense as well - good cop, bad cop. The method to boost the immune system, while controlling for an inflammatory or auto-immune response can be tricky.
my 2 piasters:
Boosting health immune defense:
1. Exercise. This may be difficult now, and could further depress the immune system in your current state. But when you feel better, moderate intensity exercises (walking, power-walking, jogging, tennis or basketball (if you knees can take it), moderate weight lifting to a lesser extent). 3-5 times per week 30-60 min should help in the future. Avoid starting too fast and overtraining. They depress the immune system. I know an ultramarathon runner who is sick (colds, etc) for 2 weeks following each race.
2. zinc. Can be tough on the stomach and can interfere with iron absoprtion. (The Cold-eeze may not be bad if you can't handle a straight supplement). But, if you are like most American males of the species, you have a bit too much iron. If your hematocrit is in the close to 40 or above, no problem A little orange juice (Vitamin C) will help during meals to absorb iron if that's a concern.
Reducing over-inflammatory response of the immune system (which injures tissues as well as T-Cells and NK Cells)
1. Vitamin E. I'd go for 800 iU per day. Just not a lot in food besides the dreaded wheat germ. Safe levels that also reduce heart disease and Alzheimer's. Safe at these levels
2. Lipoic Acid. Works synergistically with Vitamin E to protect against cell membran and tissue damage (500 mg/day). Very safe stuff.
3. Vitamin C. Works synergistically with Vit E and lipoic acid . I would get most from OJ (80 mg/glass). Important, but the literature shows that you might avoid any supplement over 250 mg. Most of the time Vit C is safe and anything in excess of 1 g/day is peed away. BUT if tissue damage involves release of free iron (don't know in your case), megadoses of Vit C could worsen you condition (more Good cop, bad cop)
4. olive oil and fish - Cook with lots of extra virgin; avoid stick margarine. Act as membrance stailizers
5. Calcium supplementation: Try with food and supplements to get 1200-1400 mg/day. Make sure you get enough Vitamin D (milk, yogurt, UV light, or supplement)
6. Gingko biloba (120-240 mg/day). Anti-inflammatory properties (through inhibition of an enzyme called iNOS - inducible nitric oxide synthase). Avoid if taking aspirin or blood thinners.
7. Glucosamine: beside a component of cartilage, new studies show it also inhibits iNOS (500-750 mg/day). Avoid if you have high blood pressure or diabetes.
Clas: shhhh...Don't mention the war...
Collaterals are unavoidable, especially when the Taliban is hiding behind innocents, poisoning dropped US food rations. Since we've let an opportunity slip away, we should concentrate on wiping out the Taliban front line above Kabul and McCain said today, we'll have to send ground troops in and take losses. The people in that part of the world are more likely to be behind us if we win via hand-combat with some air support.
We're all involved over here one way or another. Better an armchair QB I guess than excessive worry or handwringing or... an arm-chair country. Don't mention the war. For what it's worth, a few people close to me have an outside chance of getting ivolved in either war front. Me? I'm too old and washed up. Can't fit into narrow caves anymore, run a 5 min mile, or bench press twice my weight. We *could* send a herd of Chicago Bears or Cleveland Browns dogpound fans with uzis, large wrenches and BBQ pits to finish the job.
the sound a dummy makes hitting the floor
you stupid Apple Pie, no Swedish kings have had the name Charles, it's Karl XII, and our king today, his name is Carl Gustaf.C
I posted earlier this morning, when I pushed the submit-button the site crashed.Martha ”Oleanders” Salyers - I saw eight dead kids and a crying father on the news yesterday, he said -I'm just a poor sucker, why are they doing this to me? His kids died while they were having breakfast. The US-bomb came right out from the blue.
Ivan ”The Stranger” Goldberg is saying ”Those people deserve to die”.
You, Martha, are letting him get away with that, why? That's not your style, is it?
And that goes for you other scared little pricks too, are you afraid of if critizing The Stranger and his paranoia over Arabs he will insinuate you are Anti-Semits?
Ivan, I am ashamed over that I have shared the same table and restaurants with you. I hope you burn in hell, and don't bother to respond, I wont be back to read it.
StAl - delete the GBook CD-site, let some American Marmelade Boy do that job, I won't do it.
Take it as a political statement.
Audi and Out
C
PS/ SteveeDan; it's Mexico City; Eb/F - Ebmaj9
ohhhh what fun...
db
P.S. anyone know who Wolley man is '' he'' spent all of saturday in chat but didn't say a word.
Must have been one of Gina's silent protests i thought
Go Girl Go ... LOL
db
Duncan: Just say NO to cheap CD-R media. It absolutely matters. Read this...http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20010719S0003
Howard:
Thanks for the DVD info, I was thinking of buying a player for my TV too will the said disc still ''work''
db
oh, lizzy? where are you? here is your test:1. the PBS concert - do you have it on VHS or DVD?
2. how many times have you seen "the making of aja"?
3. your thoughts on "i got the news"? "glamour profession"? "jack of speed"?
4. if you were to use the B-52's in a bombing mission over the afghan terriorties, which one of their songs would you play?
5. who should play Donald/Walter on the impending ABC made-for-tv movie due out summer 2002?
6. your thoughts on the microphones used in the 96 tour
7. your thoughts on larry carlton's real or imagined influence?
8. how many re-mastered steely dan cd's do you own?
9. who is john beasley and what does he mean to you?
10. your top 3 female vocalists
11. which administration do you blame for foul-ups, real or imagined, on the US middle east policies? if you are not a US citizen, then discuss the issue in general using BBC's website, please post url's only
12. what do you think stood in the way for Swedish world dominance, either imperialistic and/or economic?
13. most ironic public place where you heard a steely dan song playing
14. your last e-bay purchase?
15. the influence of organized religion on attempts at world dominance -
and as a bonus question, should the world sign onto the prime directive?take your time - other posters are welcome to join in the fun too
I've just noticed that some of my ''cheap'' CD's at home & work seem to be de-composing around the edgesCould I be right..
Some black spots have appeared towards the centre on some & around the edges it looks like they've be left standing in something wet?
I thought that I may have splashed some cheap Wine on them but I have checked the one's at work & some of them are the same & I certainly don't remember drinking at work lately.
Are they affected by the damp? Heat?
Cheap CD's false economy?
Off to back up all my backups must save the family's photo albums & Linda's work.
Great news & stories from our friends in NY yesterday will pass on later if I get a chance
db
Oh & Wasps (winged assassins) are now my friends came into work this morning to find 2 Rats ''playing'' in the back workshop, Another job for today's list
Ref: Angel have fun with your HTML adventures it's worth it in the end.
I remember my first website effort Jesus I can still feel the pain it caused my eyes just looking at it, LOL
I find now that less is more & Steer clear of CCS for now
I've just caught the tail-end of the plush DVD thread, but UK or European Dan-fans should know that it *is* possible to buy the Steely Dan Plush DVD and get it to play properly.I bought it, and apart from a few PC install problems, got it to play. I think you just need to be careful where you buy it from - i.e make sure you get the Europe region version (amazon.com - no good, amazon.co.uk - OK!)
Howard
This is getting ridiculous. I have pruned this website down as far as I can yet the guestbook keep zeroing out based on the fact I have no room to write to the disc. It's becoming painfully evident that after 6 years at Seanet it may be time for a change. I've resisted this for many reasons. One, cost. If I switch to a different service I'll have to pay 2 ISP's (my home webserver can't handle the traffic of this site). Two, after 6 1/2 years there are far too many established links to this site and I hate breaking them (I can hear the Webdrone groaning as I type this). Three, it's a hassle of immense proportions...Anyway, I really do apologize for the recent crashes. I was lucky to have had a cached copy at home I could restore up to Sunday afternoon. I haven't even had a chance to restore stuff Ed sent from the last crash. However, once again I'm asking if you've got any missing posts, please send them to me.
Thanks for your patience. And something else. Everyone is always thanking me for maintaining this site. I want to thank all of you for hanging in throughout the years. It's been, and will continue to be, a gas!
StAl
PS: Thanks Hoops for publishing "Phillipe's" letter about the article including perceptions of DF/WB/Aja/2VN,etc. by a punk rocker in The Dandom Digest. Very astute bloke, that punker/post punker is!
Anyone else dig Patricia Barber? Jazz vocals and arrangements to die for. Production quality that's out of this world.
I'm sure I'm late to her party, but she oozes cool- Modern Cool, that is.Ole, I'll never forget your perma-smile at Atlanta. It was as big as the stage. Great times. When IS the next tour, darn it - I could use a fresh breeze...
FLDave, I owe you and I owe you.
JK, if your out there, how the fuck are you? If I have to, I'm buying you a new VCR for Christmas, sheesh!****** J. MINER ****** - PLEASE EMAIL ME!!
My email server crashed at the time losing your emails/address - now I found your old email, but you've changed your email address
Clas - I got your "more serious" quiz, but, I find some ambiguities there. Would you clarify ... "A foreign town is coming up in the lyrics in this song ...". Would that be foreign to you (in Sweden) or to me (in America).I also am not sure if you are still on the Fagen or The Nightfly still, or if you are opening this question up to the entire catalogue of Steely Dan Material.
From The Nightfly's I.G.Y. there is "90 minutes from New York to Paris"
From Countdown To Ecstasy's My Old School there is "Oh no, Guadalahara won't do now"
From Gaucho's Glamour Profession these is "All aboard the Caribbe Cannibal, off to Barbatos just for a ride"
So as you can see, this is far too vague for me to give just one answer -- and by the way, I know the chords for every Fagen and Steely Dan song. I am still working (actually, I haven't devoted any time to it yet) on Becker's 11 TOW, but when given a challenge, I unlock a song in less than 20 minutes. It's typing up the chord charts that take so much time.
So, please reword the question and I will get to work on it.
We may now call you "Clas the Quizmeister?"
Out here in Los Angeles, I meet a lot of interesting people. Just 2 weeks ago, I met a guy who is a recording engineer, and he mentioned that he just finished up the recording of a new record by Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. That item is for you Midnight C.I was helping a friend of mine move to his new house and this guy (Grant) was there helping install the big screen-surround sound entertainment extravaganza system.
Grant also told me that he was there at the last recording session that Jeff Porcaro did, the night before he died, and to those of you who thought that Jeff's untimely demise was a combination of things including pesticide, you were right, and I stand corrected. (I guess Jeff's accountant, who told me that he died solely due to pesticide poisoning, who's name also is Jeff, is drinking out of strange toilets.)
... careful what you carry ...
Steveedan
Clas since you lack a penis and a brain, let me help you. If you run a search using any search engine and put in keywords like Peter Great and Sweden, hundreds of historical websites will come up and show you at least one King of Sweden called Charles. That one would be Charles XII whose dream of Swedish world domination died at Poltava. Here's on URL for you to surf. http://www.multied.com/dates/1700ad.html#Anchor-35281 Now if the King at the turn of the 18th century was the 12th Charles, presumably there were at least 11 more and who knows how many since. You have now confirmed that you know nothing about the history of your "own" nation. You obviously no nothing about the middle east or America. So take the Stranger's advice. Say it in Swedish, have you ever been out before?
Clas,
Your lack of knowledge leads you down strange, twisted roads. I never tried to ban Gina from the board. Ever. You must have me mixed up with some othe Jew. For a person who knows Americans and has visited America, you just don't know much about it. Of course non-Jews can make fun of Jews. Who said they can't? All the different backgrounds of Americans make America infinitely more pleasant than some cold, suicidal lands in northern Europe I could name. Because I live in California, for instance, I speak a few works of Tagalog. You know how they say fuck off in Tagalog? Same way they say it in Samoan: Fuck off.
interesting read from a link on hoops! Dandom Digest about Jeff Baxter:http://www.vh1.com/thewire/content/news/1450114.jhtml
Clas . Nope! I'm sure it's not Bull. The conection between Bull and Atlanta is although a good one. Try to visit the "Southern Spurs Rodeo" when in Georgia. A 'gay-rodeo' with bull-riding. Maybe S mixed up the events.
Lars - Yepp! Cigar! I've heard about that too. But his name wasn't Charles? What was his name again? Bull?s - and ”blow-job”, translated to Swedish that means you fuck someone, ”give someone a blow-job” = ”he got diddled”.
Like ”The Sting”, have you seen that one?
C
C - Either someone who mixed up Alexandra Charles with our king (that's easy to do. Doin' it myself all the time.) Or our kings resemblance to Ray Charles. That explains the reference to Atlanta too. Maybe it was Ray Charles who visited that club in Peachtown?by the way S - details, details pleeeease... . looks like you visit the club often. Blowjob... . I thougt you inhaled. I once read something about a cigar. Was it "Charles" or do I confuse him with another one?
your tzg wants me to tell all you 'mericans to set your clock back... Daylight savings time is over, so make the most of that extra hour......w.t.t.k
S - ”Another example of Swedish disrespect for the laws of other countries. You are living proof of that also. Why would I go to bed in the middle of the day, you ignorant fool?”Man, you don't have to go to bed if it's against the law, I didn't know that. Sorry pal.
C
right again, let's see if I can come up with something harder, but don't cheat;A foreign town is coming up in the lyrics in this song, quite surprising, and the two chords played under the city-name are?
?
Remember, no cheating.
C
Lars - w h o t h e h e l l i s C h a r l e s X I I ?---
S - son, I've been searching all night, in books, on the net, I can't find any Swedish king named ”Charles”. Would you care to explain?
You know, I'm not a mind-reader, or as Walter Becker (Steely Dan) put it - ”Okay, I AM a mind-reader, but I'm way behind reading”.
And ”the Gold Club”, christ! I thought that was a Credit Card or something. I didn't know that was a whorehouse. Don't tell me I got ”American Express” at the back of my foot too?
”What a blast, and her fifteen minutes went so fast - come to the American Express if you're in a hurry!”
Charles Charles Charles, hmmm, are you sure you're not talking about Great Britain?
---
Cyn - that's funny, Indie-Clown. Funny stuff, this barking. They're just like people.
And this; we live in an apartment and I have to walk the damn dog five times a day, which is probably good for ME, but it's pretty annoying when I've been out with him for the last time at night, I put myself in bed, the Great Movie is about to begin and in comes The Dog, saying; -sorry pal, have to take a dump. And I am saying; -why the hell didn't you do that when we were out twenty minutes ago?
There's no way back, I have to roll out of bed, and go out again, in the darkness.
And he's not taking that dumpster anywhere, last nite I walked around the block two times so he could find the right spot.
Sorry for talking shit like this but... if you HAVE to do it, why the hell is it so important WHERE you do it? I just can't figure.
---
dr Mu - hey you, you Desktop Tiger, you're really into this killings, aren't you? Put up strategies and so, I guess you'd love to be among the big marmelade boys, standing there with maps and shit. As long as you don't have to risk you're own life of course...
See you,
C
Dan Fans' Nite OutImpromptu hangings with the Dan Fan network.
http://www.dandom.com/niteout
h
Glass Onion.Wow!
Music as we know it has yet to recover.
Clas can't pee from a TWA building only from a TWATerminal because the "man" has no penis.
Hmmm... Just checked out Afghan climatology. While the Afghan mountains can rise past the 20,000 ft mark and get electron cold, Kabul and other cities (where the Talis are whacking) have the same *harsh* winter weather as... Cincinnati! Which seques into the obvious question: If Clas pees from the TWA building or a mosque, and the stream doesn't freeze on the way down, is it still considered a harsh winter?
Lars: That was exactly the reaction my wife had! We had a good laugh as well...
Had some tears listening to WOH... Oh and heard "Only A Fool Would Say That" at Evanston's Barnes & Noble.
ole....glad to see someone else who appreciates Ricky Jay. I saw him on HBO about a year or so ago and he is truly amazing! I'd take one Ricky Jay over a thousand David Copperfields! His sleight of hand is without a doubt the best I've ever seen. I hope to be able to catch him performing a live show one of these days. If I'm not mistaken, I think I saw Ricky Jay in the preview for the new movie starring Gene Hackman that opens in early November.Cyn....hope you enjoy the Talbot family reunion!
still fighting this respiratory infection....I'll be so glad when all this is over!
Yes Mu - it's about time to bring in the B 52's! 'Rock Lobster' and 'Party out of bounds' are killers. I guess it will struck them hard.
Steevee -- now you know why W1P refuses to play 14 Below. I wonder how Ron Thompson & the Resistors + Fleetwood Mac found the sound that night?
Back. See I may have to way in.
Hi again -Clas - I did that one in my head (but I double checked it on the piano anyway). It's New Frontier, natcherly.
So since you are an artist, I thought that this line from the song spoke to you in some small way ...
Well I can't wait, till I move to the city, till I finally make up my mind to learn design, and study overseas.
Oh, and in case anyone is reading carefully, I have a new address because I just got DSL. What a blast. Also it is on my business line, so my business address is in the land of the Clampetts ... sorry, got to go, I got to go fill up the water in my see-meant pond prior to my meeting with Mr. Driesdale.
Jethro Dan (That's spelled " S-T-E-V-E-E- ...)
Goodmorning everyone --To µ -- you wrote: "before: Taliban not Emeril and the Tali-BAM!", and also "errrrrrr....except Walter of course..."
So would that mean Tali-Whack ?
With a nick nack tali-whack give a (terrorist) dog a bomb ...
Steveedan
errrrrrr....except Walter of course...
Anybodybefore: Taliban not Emeril and the Tali-BAM!
Yes! Hear's who my choice for President had to say:Friday, Oct. 26, 2001 5:56 p.m. EDT
McCain: Bring In the B-52s
Congress' most prominent war hero, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., warned Friday that carpet-bombing raids by America's mightiest warplanes will be necessary to defeat Osama bin Laden and the Taliban government, adding that the U.S. can't worry about killing innocent civilians in the process.
"We must ... get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can and as ruthlessly as we must," McCain advised, in an op-ed piece in Friday's Wall Street Journal.
The Vietnam War hero suggested military planners have been too sparing in the amount of ordnance the U.S. has dropped on the Taliban thus far.
"We have not yet deployed B-2's and B-52's, the most destructive weapons in our airborne arsenal, against them," he noted. "We shouldn't fight this war in increments. ... They'll need to experience a more impressive display of American firepower before they contemplate surrender."
What about recent displays of public hand-wringing over the prospect of killing innocent Afghans as bin Laden's forces hide in civilian homes and even mosques?
"We cannot allow the Taliban safe refuge among the civilian population," McCain warned. "We must destroy them wherever they hide. That will surely increase the terrible danger facing noncombatants ... but it will also shorten the number of days they must suffer war's cruel reality."
The Taliban will take anything less than an all-out effort as a sign of weakness, the Arizona Republican said.
"Our enemies harbor doubts that America will use force with a firm determination to achieve our ends, that we will use all the force necessary to achieve unconditional victory. We need to persuade them otherwise immediately."
Wait a minute. The Talibam Singles Online is NOT Afghan culture. Up until 1996, when the Talibam filled a power void, women WERE allowed to vote, or hold a job, or hold a Gold Card. Remember the Taliban are mostly Pakistani and do not wear traditional Afghan garb.Even I will admit a crack in the Bush team strategy. Whether W was too busy speaking with the Chinese or Powell to busy trying to soothe the Pakistanis or waiting for the UN to come up with a plan post-Taliban or waiting for orders from the Northern Alliance, we've been like the receiver (Saturday analogy) who turns before nestling the ball in his hands. In other words, we've let political whims dictate military strategy and operations. In other words, we've blown it as far as a quick operation on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. During the past two weeks, the Taliban fron line north of Kabul was wide open. Overwhelming force was called for. We're dealing with (a) ruthless opponent(s). Where's our ruthlessness. THAT actually would impress them. The Taliban has called us a bunch of soft wusses, and I'm beginning to agree.
Now the Taliban are out of the caves and have Human Shield up Scotty down in the cities. Now we will have to Rock the Casbah. Bloody hand-to-hand with Special Forces. Our distressing hesitance at a critical time may cost American lives there and here. 'Nam, end of the Gulf War...will we ever learn? Reminds me of the cliche Hollywood scene where the cop doesn't "take the shot" on the kidnapper/terrorist. Where's Dirty Harry when ya need him?
I wrote this once already this a.m...then hit the wrong button. It took off into cyberspace, so I checked the GB just in case it made it there.
I DID NOT WRITE THAT BELOW...Hell, I can't even read Arabic, much less write it.Midnight...Hey Cuz! Lord, you've have enough antibiotics to be a walking IV bag. I hope you're feeling better..stay away from all those sick people! The boys and I are going to Charleston SC for Thanksgiving to meet some more Talbot cousins. I'm not that close to them because I spent most of my life out of the country. They're Mormons and I'm Episcopal...this outta be interesting! Guess I won't be having that" Have another Drink,Cyn" glass of wine with turkey this year!
Steevee..I learned my lesson. The plumber is coming this morning. The Nice lady at the office told me to "Step Away from the Sink"..so I did and ordered a pizza. Then I told my youngest the kitchen was now "No Mans Land". As far as the waspes go (Yes I got it..LOL)...I kicked their little stingers wearing my Davy Crockett raccoon hat and a muskett?..muscutt?...muskrat? full of Garden Insect killer. I did dream about them last night, they had come back bigger, and bolder....Then I woke up!
clas...Indie does what Pompe' does..barks at anything. He lays on "his" loveseat in the parlor and just about the time I get settled into a good book or something he lets out with this HUGE..BaWOOOOOOOOOOOO..and scares the s*** outta me.He also smears his "lookin' out" window with drool all the time. I'm painting an outline of a clowns hair and nose on the window for Halloween. So, when he looks out at the kiddies...he'll have this clown thing going on. Its my of getting back at him without him knowing it...lol.
Going to change the oil, rotate the tires, check the spark plugs in all the cars..(only kidding)
BTW Chips..loved the grandma story...heehee
¦b®a¤¤ú°¿ú!¦³¤@Ó²³æªº¤èªk!¬°¤°»ò¦Uºô¯¸³£»¡¯à¬°§AÁȨì¿ú©O?´N³sŪ¤@«Êe-mail,ÂI´X¦^¼s§iÄæ³£¯à?¬O§_·P¨ìÃø¥H¸m«H?¤Ï¥¿¨S¨Æ°µ,¤S¤£n·|¶O,ÁȤ£¨ì¿ú¤]¤£·|¦YÁ«,¤@¸Õ¤S¦óªp!
µ¥¤F¤@Ó¤ë¡B¨âÓ¤ë¨S¦^µ,¥i¬O¨ì¤F²Ä¤TÓ¤ë¬ðµM¦¬¨ì¶×´Ú³æ,9¦Ê¦h¬üª÷?¯u¹³°µ¹Ú¤@¼Ë.¤£¨ì¤@Ó¤ë¤S¨Ó¤@±i1¤d3¦Ê¦h¬üª÷,¯u¬OÃø¥H¸m«H!
§A¤£«H§Ú¤]¨S¿ìªk,¤£¹L¥j»y¦³¤ª:¹ç¥i«H¨ä¦³,¤£¥i«H¨äµL!¤Ï¥¿¨S¦YÁ«,´N¸Õ¸Õ¬Ý!
***¥[¤J¤èªk***
¶i¤J¥H¤Uºô¯¸: http://www.mintmail.com/?m=1258279
¥´¶}ºô¶,ÂIÀ»¥k¤W¤èchick here ¬¡°Ê¹Ï¼Ð«vÂIÀ»¡§FREE Sign-up page¡¨¦r¼Ë¤]¥i¥H!
µM«á¸òµÛ´£¥Ü,¤@¨B¤@¨B¿é¤J¸ê®Æ«K¥i¥H¤F!
¤U±¬O»¡©ú¤F¥[¤J¹Lµ{¤¤¬ù²Ó¸`!
-First name:¦W¦r(¨Ò:¤j¿ú )
-Last name:©m(¨Ò:ÁÈ)
-Company Name:¥i¤£¶ñ
-Street address:¦í§}(¤@©wn¸Ô²Ó¶ñ¼g,§_«h«K¦¬¤£¨ì¶×´Ú³æ)
-City:«°¥«¦W
-State:¥i¤£¶ñ
-Zip:¶l½s(¶ñ000-000)
-Country:°ê®a
-Phone:¹q¸Ü¸¹½X(°ê®a¥N½X+¹q¸Ü¸¹½X)
-Fax:¥i¤£¶ñ
-E-mail:¹q¤l¶l½c
-Confirm E-mail:¦A¦¸¿é¤J«H½c¦a§}
-Year of birth:¥X¥Í¦~¥÷
-Gender:©Ê§OMale(¨k),Female(¤k)
-password:½T»{±K½X(¥²¶·»P¤W¬Û¦P)
¥H¤°»ò§Î¦¡±µ¦¬Â§«~?
*gift certificates(double$$)¼ú«~*cash²{ª÷
¦pn¼ú«~¯à¦¬¨ìÂù¿»ù®æªºªF¦è,¦ý³£¬O¤@¨Ç^¤åª©ªº®ÑÄy¡BºÏ±a¡B¥ú½Lµ¥.¹ï©ó¤¤°ê¤H¨Ó»¡,ÁÙ¬O¿ï²{ª÷¤ñ¸û¦Xºâ¨Ç,½Ð¿ï¾Ücash.
-¥[¤J·|û¦¨¥\®É³qª¾§A¶Ü?¿ïyes.
-Mintmail.com½Ð¿ï¾Ü¦Û¤vªº·R¦n©Î¿³½ì(³Ì¦h¥i¿ï10ºØ)
-SubmitÂIÀ»¥¦,«Ì¹õ¤W´N·|¥X²{thank youªº¦r¼Ë
¦P®É§AªºID(¨Ï¥ÎªÌ¼Æ¦r)©M±K½X¤]·|¥X²{¦b«Ì¹õ¤W,
°O¦í¥¦,¥[¤J§¹²¦,¤@¤Á«Kok¤F!
¹L¤F¤£¤[,§A«K·|¦¬¨ì¤@«ÊÅwªï«H!
****«Å¶Ç¤èªk****
http://www.mintmail.com/?m=1258279
§â³Ì«áªº¼Æ¦r1258279§ï¬°§AªºID(¼Æ¦r)
¥i¥ý¤¶²Ðµ¹§Aªº¿ËªB¦n¤Í,¦A¨ì¦Uºô¯¸ªº¯d¨¥ªO§â¤W±ªº¤º®e¥þ³¡½Æ»s¡B¶K¤W¥h!
¤Á°O¤@©wn§â1258279§ï°µ§AªºID,¤£«h§A¬O´À§Ú«Å¶Ç,¦Ó¤£¬O§A,¨º»òÁȤj¿úªº¬O§Ú,¦Ó¤£¬O§A¤F!^o^!!
¹w¯¬¤j®a¤@°_ÁȤj¿ú!µo¤j°]!
Well I see that you have been a very busy boy Clas my young
friend? Out spreading ill will again have we? Remember what
we said about the cyanide capsule in your shirt pocket?
If the voices in your head get to be too much you know what
to do.I've done my best to help.
Sincerely,
Dr. Frued
IMHO your sailing pretty close there.
db
Living proof that Swedes desire to dominate the world so that they can tell other people what to do and think. What the good King of Sweden did was entirely illegal in Georgia. What he did came out in the evidence at a federal Racketeering trial involving the owners of the Gold Club. Another example of Swedish disrespect for the laws of other countries. You are living proof of that also. Why would I go to bed in the middle of the day, you ignorant fool?
S - wow, I didn't know you could get blow-jobs done in Atlanta. Is it legal?And this I don't get:
”So get your Charles XII or XVI or whatever number the good lord has assigned to him and lead another invasion of Russia so a modern day Peter the Great can put a stop to the Swedish tendency to want to dominate the world so they can tell everyone what to do. You are living proof of that.”
A living proof of... ? Do you mean I am a living proof of getting my Charles XII or XVI or whatever number the good lord has assigned to him and lead another invasion of Russia so a modern day Peter the Great can put a stop to the Swedish tendency to want to dominate the world so they can tell everyone what to do?
Or a living proof of leading another invasion... ?
No son, you better go to bed. Explain this for me tomorrow when you're straight and sober,
see you,
C
Clearly you have not figured it out. The Gold CLUB is where your King enjoyed blow jobs during the Olympics in Atlanta. You and your two bit nation have no business telling anyone what kind of attitudes or beliefs they should hold -- be it Middle Eastern, Scandanavian, American, Persian, Thai, or Bolivian. You are not a nice person and you are in no position to lecture anybody on morality or politics. But since you insist on polluting this space with your BS, its only fair that you suck on some of it yourself. So get your Charles XII or XVI or whatever number the good lord has assigned to him and lead another invasion of Russia so a modern day Peter the Great can put a stop to the Swedish tendency to want to dominate the world so they can tell everyone what to do. You are living proof of that.
S - what I mean is; you can't come from Sweden, USA, France or Great Britain and go to Afgahnistan or Iran or whatever, and tell those people how they should live their lives. If they need changes, well, the changes will come, come from within, that's my point.And it took a while to understand this ”Gold Card” and ”King” stuff you're babbling about. You're really obsessed with those things, aren't you?
I've been to Cincinnati son, I've seen Exotic Dancers, or Striptease Girls and their tits and asses in real life, what about that uh? But I lost interest after five minutes, I turned back to the bar and the beers, there's not much of a hunting dog left in this aging body.
Nice talking to you, but I have to go now, wag the dog you know...
C
SteveeDan - what a nitemare, you're not allowed to handle you're own sound? Maybe I should come over after all...And this one, beginns with the single 8-notes: G# G# - A A - Bb Bb - and then the chords:
B7 - D7/9 - C#m7 - F#6 - A/B
and then the cool piano riff:
G - D - G# - D - A - D - G# - D (Em7 - E7 - E(sus4)7 - E7)
I bet you know...
C
It is stupid to apply western standards to middle eastern cultures. That doesn't mean that you Clas are not a fucking douchebag. The marketplace of ideas in which you are permitted to participate does not exist in the middle east. You'd be the first one eliminated under their culture. Please move there. Take your scumbag King and his filthy Gold Club habit with you.
There's Only One - only one fuck and that's me? Well, I guess the world is good place then, heaven on earth brother.And I ”don't know” everything about other cultures, I just think it's stupid to apply western standards on, for example, this Afgahnistan culture. And there are changes for the woman there, and the changes comes from within themselfs (that's the only way). There's a female organisation working for changes, I think they're called Rawd/Raws or something.
Apropos ”good”, this is a question for you Manhatters;
Years ago I saw in this Design Magazine the photos of a diner in Manhattan, the name of the diner was ”The Good Diner”, and the logo-signs had those saints above them. Very tasty and funny. Someone of you seen it? Or maybe it's gone.
---
Luckless Pedestrian - 15 years old? That's too old for a babysitter. Well, I don't remember the ages of our babysitters, it's a long time ago. And fact is, when our son was born, I could use a babysitter myself.
Florida Dave - good to hear. I guess you have something to the GBook CD?
Cyn - ghostbuster? Oh no, the problem is; he's barking at what he THINKs are ghosts. Bushes, bags flying in the wind, you know, that kind of stuff. And quite opposite to your Indie, Pompe has no ”hunting dog” in him. He can stand for five minutes and just look at Deers, and then lose interest.
And Rotten Peaches - both real peaches AND the song. That'll do the trick.
Mid Cruiser - yeah, that's better!
Aussie - happy wing-ding!
Howard and others, this is the studio I'll do, well, I won't do it, but I'll be watching, the mastering of the GBook CD:
www.studioa.se/
C
The problem with this guest book is that unfortunately it is not true that "There's Only One". Anonnybaby food for thought ...Hey Clas and Howard -- surely you don't think that you could stump me with a Dan tune by giving me the chords ?!? ( An independent station, ...) I wait all night for calls like these.
If I could remember the name of the album I might also have the name of the song, don't you think? Lemme see, what was the name of Fagen's first solo record? Gosh, ... alright, no more sarcasm, of course it't THE NIGHTFLY. I love a quiz, ...Speaking of quizzes, welcome to the carnival Lizzie. Hopefully Luckless Pedestrian will honor you with a doozie (or Dano is that a doozer!) of a quiz. Please come in often, and speak your mind. If there is something that you want to know, there's a good chance someone here will respond to you. Ignore the nasty anonny-babies. It's always past their bedtime when they post here, and they are very very cranky !!!
Mr. Moore - I am glad to hear that you survived the anesthesiologist and came through the procedure in one piece. Take it easy. Don't speak, get your rest, take it easy, come to chat often. Be well.
Duncan - sounds like since the DVD "regions" aren't available yet in your locale, perhaps spending a little mad money on a TV surveilance camera at home (a.k.a. "The Babysitter Cam") might be useful. If this idea intrigues you sufficiently, check out www.x10.com for they have lots of neat gadgets that you might like. Take care Squire.
W1P - The SFB might be taking a headlining gig at Paladino's soon. Opening for us would be a Pat Benetar trib band and also a Heart trib band. I just hate playing for the gate. But it is a short drive to the dive, um, er, I mean, club. (Hi Jimmy!)
Also, and much more important, I hope that Aja is on the mend and doing well. We had an incident with our boy Jona when he was about 2 when he bashed his head in the baby gym class and took a few stitches in his eye brow. When we got him back home from Cedars, all stitched up, he went straight to the couch and started jumping off of it squealing with delight. That's boys for ya. It totally healed and the scar is hidden underneath the eye brow hair. He's my special boy !!! He digs my piano too. I guess I'll keep him.
Cyn - Of all the things to futz with, you do it with the sink, the shower, and wasps! You see, I'm Jewish, and I don't futz with wasps (get it?). That's how you make a dumb joke dumber, or dummer? For Futz-sake, just hire the plumber, and Western Exterminator. You can easily make up the money spent on these services with some shrewed investing strategies from Aus (Happy B-Day Ward). C'mon now Cyn, sing it with me ... "Who are these children who scheme and run wild, ... ... Throw out your gold teeth and see how they roll ... Da Da Da-da Da Da-da Da Da Da Da ...
St. Al - Dr. Balah used to spell his name with 2 L's, but during an examination, he was digging deeply and by mistake left one of the L's deep in someone's Arse. Ya wanna guess whose arse ?? (Spoken like Johnny Carson:) Funny stuff, kooky stuff, kooky, funny stuff. Shut up Ed.
My final piece of information is to tell you that the Los Angeles based Steely Dan trib band Doctor Wu played tonight in Santa Monica at 14 Below. A friend of mine, who worked the sound board for them at their previous appearance there gave me the low down of tonight's show. He was asked to do sound for the band again tonight (and when he did the sound before for the band, it was the best that this little club has ever sounded), but was stopped by the guy who works for the club. A fat troll named Steve, who must be clinically deaf since he is probably the worst sound man I have ever heard, insisted on doing the sound tonight.
When the Steely Fan Band played there, fat Steve was our sound man and the sound was terrible. I remember that I felt that I played well that night and when it was over, I went up to W1P who was at the show and I asked him what he thought. When he told me that he couldn't hear the keyboards at all (and the SFB has 2 keyboard players!), I nearly had a shit-attack and went looking for fat Steve, but I couldn't find him. You see, I wanted to buy him a beer ... any pour it on his fat f*ckin' head. But I'm not bitter ... Well, unfortunately, Steve produced terrible sound again tonight for Doctor Wu. My friend left the club early as he was totally disgusted with fat Steve. I have said this before and I will say it again - Fat Steve, go find yourself a schmorgasbord and drown your slovenlyness in some nice fatty ham.
The point of all of this ranting is that it is really frustrating when you rehearse diligently with a large band, including horns and back ground singers only to end up in a live situation where the sound man should really be out back parking cars (or changing tires, yeeesh!).
If anyone (like P.C.) from the Doctor Wu band is reading this, I might suggest some kind of contract, or contract rider that stipulates no fat Steve on sound when you perform there. I realize that you guys do not want to make waves with the club's management, but, if you think about it, the club is screwing up the (sound) waves that the mighty Doctor Wu band is trying to make.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
Steveedan
Clas there is only one "fuck" and its you. You think you know everything about all cultures. That alone establishes your ignorance. So back to the Gold Club you FUCK
jOker/Rudy....congrats to you and the little lady on the birth of the new one! Hope to see you again in Raleigh sometime in the future!FloriDavid....I hope you're home and feeling a little better by now....here's hoping you'll have a full recovery and be crooning again soon! We'were at 14th St. Pier Resturaunt behind the Yachtsman in Myrtle Beach having dinner Wednesday night and they had a "one man band" performing. He played guitar on some tunes, keys on some and sang on all. Backed by a sequencer. I told Shirl I wished you were playing there instead. The guy was pretty lame. The songs that he did that I knew were like he was reading from the "Rock Fake Book" of tunes. After listening to your Clockdrive World it would have been a genuine pleasure to have spent the evening listening to you. Best hopes for a speedy recovery!!
Peg....wonderful to see you back on the board! Sounds like your last year paralleled my year in '98. Glad to see you're on the other side of it and getting to enjoy life again!
Clas....I'll send Roy.Scam an e-mail and tell him he'd BETTER contribute to the new cd!
oleander....I've enjoyed reading your knowledge on antibiotics. I know we shouldn't use them except when really necessary. I usually go a few years between needing any antibiotics. However, I'm on my third course in the past 6 weeks. The first was somewhat prophylactic for a root canal. I thought no big deal. Then about 10 days later I come down with a major case of bronchitis and get a 5 day regimen of Zythromax for that. Within 5 days after finishing that, we headed for Myrtle Beach Monday and my throat got progressively worse each day we were there. I didn't really want to go to the doctor while I was at the beach since I don't have to pay anything up front here in Danville, so I waited until we came home Thursday night to go to the doctor. Shirl literally dropped me off at the doctor as we got back to Danville and went on to the house to unload the car, feed the cats and head back to town to pick me up. Now I've just started my third round of antibiotics (Biaxin this time) that I'll be on for the next 10 days. My immune system must really be depressed but I have no reason why. We had fun at the beach but this has been the October from hell for me. Just hope November is better. Hope we can all get together some time over the next few months.
Happy belated Birthday to Aussie!
shout out to steviedan, Duncan, angel, Cyn, eLLe & JDubs!
back to bed for more drugs now
nite nite
so a plush SD dvd will not work in the uk.
the words fireguard & chocolate spring to mind any clues
guess i'll save my $20.00 till 2002.
technology it's spose to make our life better
xt my arse RAY OF SHITE more like
db
OK OK Yes i've had a few but linda drove
Sue me if i spray too long
the Babysitting experiment that nearly worked...
Dan awokke about 9.00 coughing & Rach put on the light & picked him up..
we got the second call about 10.00 ( there was a band playing)
Back by 11.00 to find babysitters mother & father 9my partner0 playing with Dan in front room.Lucky boy's had 2 bottles tonight.
Caught up with some old friends & that was great.
Back tomorrow.
verdict: hard first night, passed with flying colours.
planning another night out next week :-)
db
Ballah - your cue...
Hey Ballah! If you're out there (you horse's ass), I saw something yesterday that really cracked me up. I dropped a friend off at a doctors office and guess what one of the doctors name was? Dr Balah (one L). And guess what his (or hers) specialty was?Proctology
I shit you not (figuratively speaking).
Try to explain to an outsider exactly how funny this is. My friend just looked at me like I was nuts, which I am, but that's beside the point.
Sorry, I missed you, Aus. Shut down the comp for awhile and started scrubbing my kitchen...drain was clogged so instead of using liquid plumber or such, I took a metal skewer and poked it..well it worked. So I went on scrubbing and running the water...Next thing I feel is water at my toes...LOL..yeah, you guessed it...old pipe + metal skewer= Big Hole. I know what Jim# will be thinking when he reads this...we were just talking about my upstairs shower leaking this A.M. He said something about "Cyn's WaterPark"... haha (smart ass)...Am waiting on a "real" plumber...I cried on the phone, just couldn't help it. He should here soon, the nice lady said.
Its no BIG rush (like needin' a plumber) I'll try to catch ya sometime this weekend or week to come.
CHICAGO - The war on terrorism took a strange and sad turn Friday as airline officials at O'Hare International Airport refused to let a 73 -year-old grandmother board her plane as she had in her possession two, six-inch knitting needles. Apparently authorities were worried that she might knit an Afghan.
Yet another foul, disappointing and disenchanting week leads me to nominate Pete Townshend's "Empty Glass" as the song of the moment:"Don't worry smile and dance
You just can't work life out
Don't let down moods entrance you
Take the wine and shoutMy life's a mess - I wait for you to pass
I stand here at the bar - I hold an empty glass..."What can it mean when an album filled with themes of pain, aging, fear of failure, and various other obsessions continues to be a source of identification and parallel, not to mention a nearly lifelong 'soundtrack'? This may be the wrong guestbook for this, but since that doesn't seem to matter to anyone else at any given time (or with any given posting), FUCK IT.
Thanks Pete - if you only knew.
"See the glory - of the royal scam..."
- Steely Dan, 'The Royal Scam'Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
DVD regions:
http://www.laserrot.com/info/lrinfo/dvdmap.htmlhttp://www.moviesuk.fsnet.co.uk/dvd_regions.htm
http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/dvds/dvdregions.htm
Angel: The Staten Island Ferry is running. Everything is apparently running normally. And yes, it's still gratis (Thanks to Rudi, our Mayor)...Cyn: Meet me in chat now....I'll give you my numbre at work.
Aus
Danooooooo....Belmont..ah, the Breeders Cup? Not much scoop so far, (except for poopy scoop) Will do a bit of research for ya and let you know who's the odds on Favorite here in the U.S.
And you stay away from Duncan's babysitter....LOL!Aus..lost your email, when comp had all those viruses. Do you still have mine? Both of them?
Angel - thanks! Actually, the Zappa song is an instrumental :-(I need to check what I have on tape though - there are a couple of possibilities. Thing is, the other one I was thinking of (which is an original) is also instrumental - just weird synth stuff and guitars. I'll check what else I have ready though ...
Clas - thanks for the feedback. I hope I can find enough time before New Year to get it sorted.
Have a good weekend all!
Howard
Flori , good news bigmanCyn , Whats the scoop at Belmont?
Got caught singing to ma self on Showbiz Kids in the jam jar , looked round and this honey caught me belly up , did i look an ejit or what??
Dunc , Where are Dannysteel playing and can i crash at yours and look after the babysitter.
Danny Wilson , shit I like them as well......but its a long way to Bristol.
Aus , on the lash tonight?? have a dooser mate.
Off to a wedding reception.......Ive just tied the tin lid to the bed Duncan.
dano
FlaDavid ~ Glad to hear everything went smoothly! Hang in there, bro...
Region 1 DVD's will not work in UK correct?
June: Oh Darling! You get me sooo excited with all your baking in your high heeled stillettos and your lips so red....can't wait to get home tonight....pack the pipe with the cherry tobacco and have my crimson smoking jacket out by my chilled martini. Love, Ward. Oh yes, and get what you like at Tiffany this afternoon after you're done in the kitchen darling. Kisses.Cyn: Blast away.
mystery poster letting cat out of the bag: How did you know? 36 and feeling like 21.....thanks for belated wishes. I think Pablo Picasso was born on the same day a few years earlier...
FloriDavid: Good job.
Steviedan: Much too kind. You're the man bro.
Aus
First time didn't take (I Think)HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Aus!
Welcome Lizzie, should have said that 3 days ago.Clas...Pompe' is seeing ghosties? You should hire him out as a Ghostbuster. Hell, Indie just strives to catch a squirrel..but with stumpy legs...it'll never happen. The squirrels just run up the tree then sit there and mock him. I'm buying a slingshot...nobody mocks my stumpy legged Basset and gets away with it.
Now on to the "Rotten Peaches"...should I play the song while I kill bees and sing along with Elton? Or just buy some and throw them at waspes?sh.. I hid your Xanax...look in the kitchen, under the sink, behind your silver polish, next to the Garden Insect killer stuff, at Macon's house...LOL
Dav..So HAPPY about your prognosis!
Aussie....need financial advice, I'll email ya...with details.
aus/ward: happy birthday! june baked you a devil's food chocolate cake with marshmallow filling, all in high heels and red lipstick (oops, did i get that on the spatula, so sorry dear) - i am hearing the words to the great b-52's song "cake", wow, not too suggestive - will call you back today buddy...the stranger - please don't tell me it was strip poker - though that'd be the perfect way to disarm him wouldn't it?
DVD-A - the wave of the future:
http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily_news/2001/10/26/features/GIZZ26F.htmScroll down to the bottom for mention. I guess I need to buy a new stereo too.
to wish the DOMC Chairman Aussie a belated (yesterday) happy birthday!
How ya doin?And good news from the Florida Dave
Everyone-Thanks for the encouraging words.
Yesterday morning Dr. Matt Byers and a team of 5 women and men "turned my lights out" for a couple of hours and did a bang-up job of getting that Cyst/lesion off my Left Mucosal Wave (vocal chord).At this time it appears to Not be Cancerous and was mostly caused by my unwillingness to cancel some Gigs and dissappoint others while I had the initial throat virus 10 weeks ago. I can't speak for a few days but Dr. Matt says everything should be cool.As the next weeks go by I'll know more as I feel it out. Again, Thanks for your concern and well wishes. Sincerely, David Moore
Big Fan: So good to get a report from you. Yes, they did indeed chronicle the '70's lifestyle from the perspective of the worst that society can offer, in some cases. In some ways I can almost hear their music accompanying the soundtrack of Armstead Maupin's Tales of the City (the story of the excesses of the 70's lifestyle in San Francisco). I can especially hear Babylon Sisters playing, if I think about it.Howard: Whatever you submit, make sure you are singing the song. You have a wonderful voice. :-)
Eveyone's got to compare themselves to the masters:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2001-10-25/hearthere2.html"It's an unusual effect, one Morrison admits to lifting at least in part from Steely Dan, two jazz geeks who told the story of the '70s from the point of view of the pimps and junkies and creeps keeping the pleasure machine in business for the 9-to-5 types in search of--you guessed it--catharsis."
I hope to have a new email address in the near future - cable modems may soon be availible in my area. I want steelydan@home.com, but it's probably already taken. Hey we've only had cable TV for 12 years. Thank goodness for DSS.
clas - 15? that's old, usually they are too busy by then to have time to babysit for you - the best ones i find are the 12 to 14 year olds - they play with your kids not just hang out while they play but they're old enough to know how to call 911 and then their mothers when the world falls apartbut duncan, in answer to your questions, though i know it's too late now:
Should I let her bring a friend ? no
Should I let her on our computer? no
How much should I pay her ? depends on the age(s) and # of your kid(s) - for us, having a 2.5 year old and an 8.5 year old - if it's meals and daytime work, then i pay about 7 to 10 buck an hour (rounding up becasue the ATM doesn't give out one's), but if it's just getting them to bed, my kids go to bed pretty easily, and then hanging out watching tv, then it's 5 to 7 bucks an hour, still rounding up because i never have the right amount of one's in my wallet
did i note a newbie in the house? a test lizzy, do you want a newbie test? please say yes, it's been ages since we've done this.....and don't mind clas, he's really okay, you know those men from the north....and welcome to the fray of the yellow, where the banyan trees sway and need a good arborist now and again...and, the good bye look is a personal favorite indeed, i love the line:
"the stupid face, the glasses and a gun....."
i often sing that song on my way to meetings, a good personal "theme song" ala Ally McBeal a few seasons ago - i miss tracy, she was awesome on that show, what a shame
lp - your cue...
Howard - you're right, but don't tell SteveeDan, let's see if he's making it.C
seventeen? That's the best age Duncy, that's when they are In Bloom. Have fun tonight at the wedding. Would you mind if I popped in keeping your babysitter company? See you tomorrow then.Howard - yesss, absolutely covers, especially Zappa-covers. You're welcome, I am the producer. Take a look above, under My Name, under ”support...”. Not longer than 5 minutes though.
LIZZY - Yes, actually, I am A Producer, yes, a ”Show Biz Kid” ha! Well, at this moment I am Producing a CD with a lot of heavy acts. Brits, Hollandaises Mädchen, and, believe it or not, even some Americans... many great stars.
Stay Tuned Honey,
C
Clas - I may be able to sort something out for the GB comp. Need to transfer more stuff from cassette to PC, then treat to sort out hiss etc.I posted a query about the new comp a while back, but I think it disappeared when this page crashed.
What are the "rules" re covers? Previously it was a strictly "no covers" policy, is it the same now? I've got quite a nice version of Zappa's Zoot Allures that I did with my bro ...
BTW - that song with Am9 etc - isn't it the one about the guy who stays up late smoking cigs and drinking coffee ?
Howard
sorry she's 17
... babysitter? 15 years old? I think you need a babysitter for your babysitter... you can't leave a child alone with a child.C
Duncan - do you think so?Lizzy? That was a Ritual Welcome, a Swedish one, wasn't that funny honey? Come on now...
C
Ref: Dano
The Danny Steel Orchestra the UK only Steely Dan Tribute band seem to be touring the whole of Britain just about every weekend between now & Christmas all I was suggesting was that poss we could meet up for a drink @ one of there shows.I've spoke to there keyboard player in chat a couple of times & it seems that they could use all the support that they can get…There playing up my way on Dec the 22nd.
Wonder if they would fancy hanging round for a day to play Dan's Christening on the 23rd lol
Clas: I think you've frightened off Lizzy well done !!
Hi to Paige & Hunter Christ felt like death all day yesterday last time I get up @ 4.00am…Unless Linda's not told me something, Still nice to talk to you
Off to a wedding reception tonight (pissup) & have had to employ the baby-sitting services of a teenage girl (15), Dilemma Coke & crisps or Cigarette's & alcohol
Should I let her bring a friend ?
Should I let her on our computer?
How much should I pay her ?All questions I need answering by 7.00pm tonight
See Ya
db
http://dannysteel_orchestra.tripod.com/
StevieDan - yeah, I'm still amazed how one can come up with the idea of beginning a verse with Asus2 followed by E/C... it's so crazy, and so good.SteveeDan - while I am at it, don't cheat, what Fagen-song begins with those chords:
Am9 - A/B -G/C
?
C
Cyn - I never said those things to you honey, you're too old for me :)And great, Yellow Jackets, that's wasps? I've been listening a lot to a certain Yellow Jackets-song lately, great stuff, Mintzer on Bb-clarinet (?).
And by the way, rotten peaches will do the trick.
And Pompe is fine, thank you. He's seing ghosts in the winter darkness, barking as hell. Which brings me to a certain Stranger;
the Stranger - ”Ever notice always same thing on certain Scandinavian's mind?”
Sorry pal, you can't hang that sign on me, that's impossible.
And what's the logic in ”...there are a great many Jewish comics. All of them, without exception, make fun of Jews, just as black comics make fun of blacks, etc.”
The only ones who are allowed to make fun of jews are jews, yes, I agree.
And you, you're making fun of another world, because you don't understand it. It's too strange, it aint like Santa Monica or Minnesota. And theirfor are those people ”fucks”. And ”shouldn't come near civilized people” (those ”civilized people” in Israel are killing Palestine kids and teenagers, stealing property and land from them too, supported by USA and US-bucks)
(Hitlers biggest crime was probably brutalizing the Jews).
God damn it man, you're the schoolbook-example of a scared Gringo.
If this hurts, honk your horn, then Oleander will come to your rescue, saying ”The Stranger! You have this amazing ability to hit the nail on the head”.
And did you notice; Gina is back, you didn't succeed a bit with your foolish attempts to do a Ethnic Cleansing on this board.
---
Howard - are you in with a song on the GBook-compilation?
Eric - congrats.
Aussie - great, I appreciate that.
And where's Lisa G?
C
... and hears of the possibility of victor wooten joining forces with dennis chambers. after seeing some of the niacin dvd, all i can say is our hope for a new spontaneous combustible could be at hand...... at the same friend's home (the one with the niacin dvd) lo and behold saint al, guess what else was played for me ? an oysterhead BOOTLEG, man, and i see exactly what you mean. the copeland/claypool rhythm section is funky tightass, bringing out the absolute best in les. i think this was recorded in philly or somewheres. i know you said that your show was the first official appearance, but it was definitely them.
dave, we're crossin' fingers for you here. of course no matter what happens with your voice (and i'm sure it'll turn out great), you will always be a damn fine musician.
congrats to my local jOker...
hey to cara, aja, steve v, peg, & lizzie...
w1p, sorry to hear about lil' aja's mishap. thank god for hard headed younguns...
angel, thanx for the steely bits.
wormy, some of the best damned colour ever posted here and aus keeps that bar high, hoss. but if you think about it tom, isn't n.o. FULL of "tribute" bands ? maybe just not as focused on one artist...
jj, the bluegrass and countryfied stuff on the first manassas album will endear itself to you. just keep listening.
clas, "the goodbye look" ? also one of my all-time favorite fagen compositions.
dano, thanx for the list. highlights for me are john martyn, del amitri, BLUE NILE (!), travis, and annie lennox & jack bruce both whom i never realized were scottish. mu points out danny wilson and you also mention the band with a "tribute title", deacon blue. isn't the band texas also scottish ? a thread with a wee bit of the plaid...
[insert "goodbye look" here]
... highly obscure technical sd info and i apologize in advance. but for the musicians, techheads or similarly bored individuals, here is a list of shure (a brand name) microphones used by sd on tour as submitted by david morgan who claims to be their so-called front of house engineer:donald vocal ..................... beta 87a
donald (rhodes vocal) ............ beta 87c
background vocals ................ beta 57a (3)
piano ............................ ksm32 (2)
trombone ......................... ksm32
trumpet .......................... ksm32
john (sic) guitar ................ sm32/sm7
walter guitar .................... sm7a
leslie high ...................... beta 52
kick ............................. beta52/sm91a
snare ............................ beta 56 (4)(!)
hi-hat ........................... sm81
toms ............................. sm98a (6)
overhead ......................... ksm32 (2)now, just as interesting (and hopefully more) as the list would be the omissions. ah ha, shure ! leslie HIGH only ? tom's BASS ? low end not a specialty for shure in the house of dan ? saxophones ? two of them ? and WHAT pray tell, is walter singing through ? THAT is a conSPICuous omission ! jon gets the sm7, but walter says NOT good enough. only the sm7A will do. oh no, i take back what i said. FOUR mikes on a snare ? this shit is exciting !
pure conspiracy !
more on mikes: i hope no one gets the impression that i dislike mike mcdonald. quite the contrary, i think he's awesome as a performer and writer as clas has witnessed. now midnite jim, going as far as "all-time favorite" i'm assuming would mean "after donald fagen". i have heard scarey things about the christmas offering though. anybody picked it up yet ?
i'll be back after THESE messages...
Ole: Why don't you mention that you updated your site again. :-)Lizzy: Welcome. Good choice of album to like. My favorite on that album is Third World Man. But the others are great, too. Yes you are young, but quality knows no age. :-)
Aussie: My husband wants to know this. Is the Staten Island Ferry working? Does it dock at the same place, if it is working?
Snakie: Good to see you, even if you are On the Dunes....
Lizzy...Welcome aboard. Now, run! Run like the wind! Run as if your life depended on it! This is not a safe place for the faint of heart. I know....I was used and abused until I have no identity.
Take my advice and run.Now, where is my Effexor?
St. Al--Mazel tov to the jOker & missus. To be born into an artistic family where love for Stereolab, abstract expressionism, and the Dan reigns--what a lucky girl.NMN--There is hope for you yet.
FlaDavid--thinking of you today. Let us know how it went.
Lizzy--welcome.
Chris--are you the Chris of the Shrine? Yo there.
FlaDavid: best of luck with the procedure!dano: ya fergot Danny Wilson!
Dr. Wu is killer - the drummer ROCKS and does Aja dead on!These guys are nipping at the Damned's heals! Hank ROCKS!
St Al, just my luck -- my wife just called and said that because she is going to the show with her girlfriends for one of her girlfriend's birthday, I'm OUT on the Jane Hole show. Looks like its Dr. Wu and Ron Thompson and the Resistors, featuring Mick Fleetwood on drums, at 14 Below for me.
Rog is about 56 (ten years has got behind you . . . .) I heard Rumsfeld refer to Usama Bin Ladin as "UBL" today. I'm sure my friends at http://www.ubl.com are gonna be thrilled. C'est La Vie
Luckless Pedestrian,Don't be silly. I just played cards with Osama this morning.
Oct. 25 — By a near-unanimous vote, the Senate passed a bill Thursday that would give the federal government far-reaching powers to investigate and imprison suspected terrorists operating in the United States. The bill would allow federal agents to tap all the phones used by a suspect anywhere in the United States, and to share secret grand jury information with intelligence agencies to track suspected terrorists. President Bush is expected to sign the measure into law Friday.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/635975.asp
i know i know .. it should be 11 Whacks off Track :-)
http://www.beasleymusic.com/calender.htmHe sure had me freaked in my chair when i browsed his site for more news on the Belgium Antwerp "So What" Jazz Club. It's already settled. If i don't forget to bring my camera, i will ask John Beasley to say "Blaise" when i take his picture :-)
Should any of you have any questions regarding the 11 Whack of Track album or the tour he did with Steely Dan once, feel free to email me. As i mentioned in the Blue Book, this is all about communication and sincere interest in the craft of music.
I will see him in Belgium and two days later again in Club Carnaval du Jazz, so i will have enough time and opportunity to cover ánd his most recent projects such as "Musings in the Fourth World" and to keep him company on a stroll down Memory Steely Dan Lane ...Stranger, your humor and wit should be due to be nominated for the Banyan Tree Crunch or Be A Naked Lunch Award ...
Banyan Tree 11 Questions from a Whack Bow,
G.
Chris:That setlist is pretty typical of the '74 shows. Did Royce Jones sing "Dirty Work" (introduced by Donald)? They probably also did Show Biz Kids near the end, with Donald talking about Jeff Skunk Baxter "tuning to D modal tuning" ...?
Google.com, the source of much knowledge, gives us:
http://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/sdsets.html
try also:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_concerts.htm
Howard
St Al , Jack Bruce used to live upstairs from my Mother in Glasgow , and many a time used to keep everyone up all night with the muzak??And look what happened to him.Chere , Whats occuring womancub??
Duncan , Did you say about a Uk Danfest?? As Marvin says ,Lets Get It On??
WIP , Roger Waters still touring in UK?? He must be a fair age now mate??
Stevie , Scotlands Finest to check out
Average White Band
John Martyn
Deacon Blue
Bay City Rollers
Hue And Cry
Del Amitri
Sidney Divine
Alex Harvey ( Dunc have you heard him do N.E.X.T.)
Aztec Camera
Blue Nile
The Krankies
Primal Scream
The Proclaimers
Annie Lennox
Travis
Moira Anderson
Jack Bruce
NazerethNot all my choice ya know.
Steevedan , downloaded the mp3s a real dooser??
lp , Sweet thing from Boston , how is the family.
Flori Baby , hope all goes well mate.
TWM ,Are yae up fir a swallie at the UK Danfest ma man??
Steevie , Dunc talking of Andrew Gold,whatever happened to Stephen Bishop great album "Bish"
Ben Folds on the C/D getting used to it ole , will let you know the SP.
Dragon , check yer e-mail doosler.
Making a remake of Hawai Five O........ dano is back dano is back oh oh.
aff fir ma porridge..........daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano
nmn: unhip and suburban, well that would be the pot calling the kettle black if i commented on that one, wouldn't it? lol - remember, your town is full of rebels and you are likely one of them - is your chimney white with a black stripe at the top, you anglo-phile you!aus - dearest ward, still waiting for my call...
oh, to be in new orleans now, huh? i could use some live music in my life right now -
yahoo sites are spinning that bin laden is dead, anyone hear that?
my daughter is going to be one of the josie and the pussycats for halloween, so what does that tell me? the 2 year old picked out a pink devil costume at wal-mart - glory be
Clas,
Perhaps you never noticed there are a great many Jewish comics. All of them, without exception, make fun of Jews, just as black comics make fun of blacks, etc. But then we all know Swedes are hugely famous for their humor. So clearly you're the expert.
ch-ch-ch-changes....happening in my life (oh, can i quote Bowie here?)...so i've been scarce. now, where did i put that xanax?cyn - i'm here. i'll email you soon.
david - i'm a little late, but good luck today
i'm pretty tough
but the wind is rough...
I put on 11TOW after a good year's absence (tho there was a period of total absorbtion of Medical Science). The whole thing has opened up to me. The light has gone on.This is one fucking great album.
What happened to me? What was wrong with me?
wormski - that Damned event sounds great. Wish I could have been there to be the Tribute worm to Peg's Tribute Miss Vicky.
(Anyone who followed that sentence got a great LSAT score.)
ole - working on Ricky Jay. This is something I should have know about--saw all those Mamet movies. I am left feeling unhip and suburban.
lp - remind me again how unhip and suburban I am.
Aus, Gs, LadyB, YGK? -- hankering for a re-pre-DanFest evening in Manhattan. A defiant gesture to unhipness, suburbanity, anthrax, hijacking and all else that would endanger our way of life. It will probably have to be well after the worldseries (g od-backs).
Anyone know where I can find dates for old setlists?? I just received an old Steely Dan show, which I'm guessing is from the early 70's. Sounds very good, some tape hiss on the disc, but for the most part a SBD. Setlist is:Bodhisattva, The Boston Rag, Do It Again, Brooklyn, King Of The World, Rikki Don't Lose That Number, Pretzel Logic, My OLd School, Dirty Work, Your Gold Teeth jam, Reeling In The Years, ..., ...
Any help?? PLease??
Just a little idea for a website..
Does anyone think it might catch onHi lizzy
db
http://users.breathemail.net/lindunk/lindunk/index2
FloriDavid: Godspeed on your procedure...I'm sure you'll pull through just fine brother.Aja: Chere's alive and well and in great spirits...I spoke with her earlier this week.
Clas: I'll forward blast Malc your info.
Congrats to the Joker's new family addition....
Everyone: Have a great day!
Aus
Stranger, just went to the Taliban singles site..what a riot! Thanks for the early morning laugh!!!!
News Flash! Though Eric hasn't posted here much lately, most of the old timers remember him as Rudy and then tHe jOker. Well, my cohort in crime on these Banyan Trees has some good news! He and his wife just gave birth to a healthy baby girl. 7lbs 13ozs 21 3/4 inches. Ten fingers, ten toes. Wahoo!Lizzy: Welcome. Read the FAQ if you plan on sticking around and ignore the assholes.
W1P: That Janes show sounds like a blast. I wanted to go but I made a deal with my wife earlier in the year that I'd only go to 2 shows this year, which Oysterhead stretched into 3...sigh. Good thing The Dan didn't tour this summer.
StAl
FloriDavid - here's to a successful surgery and a complete recoveryLizzy - welcome aboard
W1P - hope your daughter is doing better, sorry to have missed you here. Janes Addiction (with or without Ferrell) and Hole nice weekend. Oh by the way Liz Phair is making a rare appearance and is playing at the Greek theatre Saturday (some benefit fest) if you get a chance catch her.
humm FM with guitar versus horns, will have to compare Decade and Citizen box, thanks Ole
how about a cdrom versions of dan songs where you can set mixing levels and bring up the kept and discarded solo takes???
wt
Jeeze, clas...you've never said those nice things to me...By the way, how's the little pooch Pompe'?
Youngest son goes into downstairs bath to brush teeth before school and comes out running..Says..Mom, there about 50 yellowjackets (Wasps) in there! I had just been in there and didn't see anything...But, God..he was right! Armed with garden insect killer, I stood back and took out the little bastards. Then shut the door...then shot again..and again. Is there an Orkin man in the house? Jimmmmyyyy!!!!! Should I throw tomatoes at them?
Lizzy! Welcome to this little corner in the Steely Dan World. Are you 26 years old? Funny thing, I myself turned 26 too the other week.And you have a beautiful name, Lizzy, I guess your parents were very happy when they baptized you. And I did probably paint your enchanted little face before you were born, my Irish little Sweet Potatoe Pie.
Stay tuned, see you tomorrow,
C
Clas, don't mention the Jews.
Hello there. My name is Lizzy & I love Steely Dan. It is unusual for people of my age group to be into Steely Dan as I am 26. Most of my friends don't even know who they are - more to the pity. My favourite track of SD is Gaucho & Babylon Sister - cause Gaucho is my favourite album. Sadly I missed them when they came to Dublin a couple of years back, but hopefully I will get to see this fantastic & truely great band perform. There is an Irish Steely Dan Tribute Band called "The Naked Lunch" which I seen a couple of times - they are quiet good, as close to the real thing I will probably see!
Hi hi, Clas. Lol lol lol, ha!
FlaDavid - I am holding my thumbs. Good luck.---
Oleander/Midnite Cruiser - tell Roy Scam that he's got to be in on the TM 2002.
Aussie - if you talk to YGK, say he's also MUST be in on that one.
Neg Girl is working on the cover art.
---
Angel - yeah, but is really getting dark at your latitude? Or are you working late? :-)
the Stranger - ha ha. I guess that's the comic relief you've been searching for. But HELL if someone made fun of Jews in the very same way...
---
And hey, Mike mc Donald, HE was a funny devil, yesterday I told you how funny he was presenting the bass-player. Wasn't that funny?
Say HA! if you think that was funny, because I aint gonne waste any more sophisticated jokes on a bunch of ”Police Academy”-fans, it's like throwing pearls for pigs.
Well, he made fun of the guitar-player as well; ”...and on guitar - mr Chiaravalle, I've worked with him many years. And he's got his own web-page... (silence for five seconds) ...and I think he's got a wep-page for his music too.”
C
Wormy your review was hard to take. I can't believe my misfortune at having to miss the show (in person or webcast). But I'm so busy attending to my little daughter and practicing up on being a hypocrite that I got my just deserts. Oh, well, looks like I'll have to settle for Jane's Addiction and Hole this coming Saturday.
Floridavid: Good luck. :-)Ole: Yes! I too remember dancing the night away on that floor in NYC watching the Damned. I am so happy that we did it, when we did. An unforgettable time.
Wormy: I am glad someone who knows so much more about music, then I do, liked the show. Yes, Hank can definitely play. Thank you for validating my opinion. Hope your friend is ok.
Clas: Yes, winter is coming fast. When I leave work, the sun is just going down. By next week it will definitely be dark. Sigh....
http://www.fuckusama.com/talibansingles.php
PEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGG!! AAAAARGHHHHH! I MISSED PEG!Oh yeah, and the rest of those guys. Please let us know where the vid is. I gave up looking for it after a while.
wt--thanx for the report. Took me back to that hot hot hot night in March... sigh.
Q--also many lovely memories of Atlanta.
Steve V Dan--You ever coming back this way?
truth--I have to thank you. I asked some time ago where I could find "FM" with guitar, and damn if it wasn't right under my nose on "Decade." I had never bothered to listen to it since I figured it was just a compilation.
Nibble--The more I listen to "Love and Theft" the more I am amazed at how he can keep on being completely unexpected, quirky, utterly unique, but I guess that shouldn't surprise me. He is made of some other stuff than the rest of us.
Chat? anyone Linda's coughing has woke me up..
Nice to see/read ya eLLe...Alpha cat still beating up the new one?
Floridav...I'll be keeping you in my prayers tomorrow.I know all will be well.Jim# and Mrs.#...Newest rumour about me spread by Paul's cousin Glenn, whom you had fortunatly NOT met is, now get this....I had my "Boyfriend" at Paul's service. I think the idiot thought my nephew Brad was my "Boyfriend". So I called him up and chewed his ass out...then ended it by saying, By the way Glenn, Paul loved Brad more that you...So go F*** yourself. Man, that felt SO good!!! Am blowing up pic of "the" Family (with exception of Tom and Nancy)..standing with my back and throwing a dart over my shoulder while saying "Who's Next"? So, are you guys gonna try and come up before I retreat to St. Croix? (Lord, I opened myself up for being accused of bragging..again..there Q, took the heat off of you for awhile) Too bad you can't be here for Halloween..the cast from the Wizard of OZ will be on my porch. Mac's "the Good Witch Glenda"...I'll send ya a kodak moment.We were thinking of borrowing friends white pony and dyeing it green on one side a blue on the other. Horse of a different colour?
sh..phone home!...LOL
Am stocking up on new music for this trip...besides the obvious, any suggestions?
lp..can't open that email. Just won't open...but I'm sure its really funny...haha (see I'm laughing)
Floridavid -- Prayers are with you on your surgery. Heres to a quick and well recovery!
Q- Sorry I was a little slow on the Draw. You know that I know you're a stand up Guy.I guess I better get some sleep tonight.
Surgical time tomorrow morning....do I sound a little nervous?
Well I am...but I know it will be ok. Later, D
does anybody really know what time it is?does anybody really care?
Just wanted to check what time it is
Cool color, wt! Glad the show was great and so sorry I missed it. I still haven't heard their version of Two Against Nature. Hank Easton rocks! The Steely Damned rock!lovebob dedicated 2nd A to me in my favorite town-LUV YA, BOB! ;-)
Peg-sorry to hear about all the turmoil going on in your life, but glad things are looking up. A belly button ring-woohoo! You kick up your heels, girl!
Does ANYONE hear from Chere anymore?
Aja
Aussie - your're in for a treat with John Paul Jones at the Crim showshope those who didn't see the NYC show enjoyed the Damned review, and those who did were not too belabored in deja vu. If you want the Damned to hit your city try getting a corporate sponsor to book a Rockola show, here's hoping for a repeat next fall.
St Al - Peg says hi, it was nice chatting with her, Bob and a number of the band members last night, real warm group and a labor of love.
Sorry W1P, Laura and Jim# couldn't make it, even my friend here had a last minute deal last night
Q - you're a neat guy in my book
sorry to inadvertently rattle things up
and yes negativity seems to roll unrelentless around here
probably why many of us don't check in more often anymorewt
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001370532,00.htmlfeeling peckish ?
db
Wormdude: Thanks for the colour. Very nice.Aus
hey gangno this isn't some morbid feat of decomposing
Just another tuesday night in New Orleans legendary Tipitinas, or was it? In a city full of gifted and legendary musicians and vibrant night clubs, a place where the thought of going to see anything construed together as a "tribute band" is completely foreign, certainly a few skeptics would drop on in to soothe their own curiousity. Tribute is a very loose term usually with negative connotations inferred. The display of vibrant musicianship, joyful performance and flair for the music was more than evident at the Steely Damned's show and quickly won over any reservations of those fortunate enough to be in that number.
I had the luxury of meeting a number of the band members before the show, a very personable and fun crew. Bob Tedde sought me out and we had a nice chat amid his setting up gear. He was a bit concerned that no one would show as only 2 mere people had bought advanced tickets, but I assured him that this was New Orleans and that people merely show up for events around here. Off to dinner with a close friend who had planned on making the show but became ill, and my concerns delayed my getting back till right before the show started.
The Damned burst into Black Friday - immediately engaging the audience with tight percision. Hank Eastons phenominal guitarwork brought Don't Take Me Alive on with a vengence and new life was certainly breathed into Kings. The horn section joined in by Peg and early highlights included spongy synths, lilting sax and exquisite vocal arrangements to FM, a funky Josie, a tight conga reworking of Do It Again, a driving King of the World and dueling guitar revelry on Reelin In The Years.
Subtlety abounded between upbeat versions of Dirty Work, Gaucho and a newly rehearsed local slanting Pearl of the Quarter and the sombre strains of Third World Man. The crowd had grown to over two hundred and ranged from college kids to admiring musicians and old dan heads. Most seemed to be mouthing along to even the more obscure songs.
Rousing versions of Kid Charlemagne, Parkers Band and Black Cow were interweaved with a gutsy push of Two Against Nature which Bob noted he still needed the lyrics to, Hiatian Divorce (dedicated to two lawyers back in S.D. and featuring awesome squawk box guitar)and Dr Wu with an overwelming sax solo reviving the spirit of Phil Woods' original.
HIghlights included a funky Jack of Speed with Stax horn embellishments, a round of shots band intro with a bartender more than up to the task, Babylong Sisters with Ruby and Peg, the bare midriff equivalent doing a fun bit of girl bonding. The three hour set closed with dynamic versions of Deacon Blues, My Old School and a real crowd pleasing Aja complete with stunning guitar, sax and drum ventures to the extreme.
As for musicianship, the band was hotso. Hank Easton is a phenominal guitar player who made verious styles and complexities look effortless, their horn section included a Tower of Power trumpeter and an awesome Sax player was impeccable, and the locals sitting in on alto and trombone were up to it as well. The rythym section was tight, funky and breathed life into the originals. Keys were tasteful and added to the dynamics nicely. A number of the men in the audience were falling in love with the two backup singers
(one man in particular yelling drunkedly in Fat Bastard tone "damn sexy moma") Ruby and Peg who were admirable in support and their male counterpart did some excellent soloing on Dirty Work. BOb Tedde the leader of this outfit had the unenviable job of taking the most reluctant and reclusive of singers, and rather than hide behind keyboard, shades and scorn, actually playing front and center along with some excellent guitar work and engaging an enthusiastic audience. Rather than merely mock Fagen's characteristic nasal delivery, Bob breathed his own inflection into the songs with flair. In all a very engaging night, and from the overwelming response of the crowd, I believe we'll be seeing Steely Damned here again next year.wormy
I see another worn out thread has popped up again -- bashing Q for spending money on his hobby. zzzzzzz.Q is a very generous dude. This I know from personal experience. Give it up man.
Clas: Let's see if I've deciphered you properly...
Yes, I love early Van Halen. Cozy Powell was a great drummer. Dickey Betts and the Allman Brothers are one of my 10 ten favorite bands STILL. And HELL YES I'M A TIT MAN!
StAl
Yah, kicked off of ebay(temporarily) because in 3 1/2 years I've accumulated 3 "Non paying bidder warnings" - even though all were paid. Latest from a group in the UK who claims they never got the cash - maybe terrorists took it, I don't know.Regards the "coke can", I care to tell you that there is a whole story behind the can that the seller was able to corroborate. As to the other bidder - no, it wasn't the seller, it was I guy I know in Michigan who collects Dan stuff and wanted it- without the quality of info I had having been at the show and "involved" with the "can" story.Great story too, involving Don.
But, why am I waisting my time with ANONS!
I'll put it succinctly, it's not what's on ebay fuckhead, it's what's behind what's on ebay - that is where the real relationships and benefits are derived - ala original Pretzel Logic monitors, studio RIAA awards for Dan LP's, and gobs of stuff and access I wouldn't dare share with shitheads like the ANONS
Wormy, your a good guy, thanks for the email. Sorry, I took it wrong - I'm just used to the massive waves of negativity that dominate this board whether directed at me or virtually anyone for any reason/non-reason.Q
From the his new CD "Love and Theft"...Track 3) Summer Days
"Well I'm drivin' in the flats in a Cadillac car
The girls all say,"Your a worn out star"
My pockets are loaded and I'm spendin' every dime
How can you say you love someone else?
Y'know it's me all the time...""She's lookin' into my eyes, she's ahold of my hand
She's lookin' into my eyes and she's holdin' my hand
She says, "Y'cant repeat the past"
I say, "Y'cant? Whaddya mean y'cant? of course y'can!"
"The politician's got on his joggin' shoes
He must be runnin' for office got no time to lose
He's suckin' the blood out of the genious of generosity
You been rollin' your eyes, you been teasin' me..."
Track 6) Floater (Too much to ask)"One of the boss's hangers-on sometimes comes to call,
at time y'least expect.
Tries t'bullya, strong-arm ya', inspire ya' with fear
It has the opposite effect...""It not always easy kickin' someone out,
Gotta wait awhile-it can be an unpleasant task.
Sometimes somebody wants you to give something up
and tears or not, it's too much to ask."
Track 10) PO' Boy"A man comes to the door, I say "For whom are you lookin'?"
He says, "Your wife"
I say, " She's busy in the kitchen cookin'."
"I say, "How much y'want for that? I'm goin' to the store"
The man says, "Three dollars"
"Allright", I say, "Ok, willya take four?""Othello told Desdemona, "I'm cold cover me with a blanket,
by the way what happened to that poison wine?"
She says, "I gave it to ya', ya' drank it""Poor Boy, in the hotel called "The Palace of Gloom"
Calls down the room service says, "Send up a room""A-knockin' on the door, I say, "Who is it and where y'from?"
Man says, "Freddy!"
I says, "Freddy who?"
He says, "Freddy or not here I come!"
Track 11) Cry a While"Last night across the alley there was a poundin' on the walls
It musta been Don Pasquale makin' a 2am booty call..."
and there's more, really there is...Bill
Dean Wurmer: Yes. John Paul Jones (of Led Zeppelin fame) will be the opening act for King Crimson in the New York show at the Beacon Theatre in December. I don't know who will be opening in the Boston show....Aus
a very engaging evening last night
2 hours of sleep or let go on the alarm
I let the alarm go, well late for work, and paying for itI'll post color when I get some time
The thing was broadcast, or at least we thought it was being so
Even a nod to Aja on the Second Arrangement
Great show, real nice group of musicians, nice turnoutQ
I wasn't in any way, shape or form trying to make a cheap shot at you with my comments on the RiverSounds E-bay thing. I was mearly spinning a twist on the Riversounds news with what I thought was a positive jest your way. What was meant as a good natured joke in fun with a touch of wholehearted envy certainly became misconstrued. I'm sincerely sorry about that Q. As for the nameslayers piling on about something they know nothing about, not cool in my book.
wormy
Robbie, yes there are two versions of FM. The original FM had Walter's tasty guitar soloing on the fadeout. There was an "FM Reprise" separate tune that was on the original FM movie soundtrack, which featured the Christlieb sax solo fadeout but no vocals. MCA later decided it would be cool to blend the two together to make a new version of FM which eliminated Walter's amazing guitar solo. We don't know whether D&W approved this melding or not. If you want to hear FM as it originally sounded get the "Decade of Steely Dan" CD or the original FM soundtrack.
Painting it a nice shade of light grey today happy birthday Bill Wyman 65 bus pass in the post tomorrow.
Saga holidays here you come…
LOLThanks Steve
db
q:The only person who bid up that coke can was the seller! He knew a sucker when he saw one... LOL. So the coke can was real uh? Verified uh? Did you test for DNA samples? You're a creep!
Q- I think what really blows my mind is that you were kicked off of ebay! Why not tell everyone here why?
Coke can - no problem - verified source, great memories from the 2 Atlanta shows, never thought ANYONE ELSE would bid it that high- figured $20, but even better, are the contacts I've made and access I've gained unintentionally, through the ebay activity - it would blow your mind!
HELP ------ I thought I knew what "FM" sounded like , till I heard a version on the radio with really tasty guitar on the fade out instead of sax ( on my version )
Are there 2 versions - 1 OF WHICH I HAVN'T GOT !
Somebody out there must know.
should be;C
Yes Peg, I knew that, and I would never try to make a joke out of that one... wouldn't enter my mind.SteveeDan - yes, playing Fagen, especially ”Nightfly”, is a true trip, when you, as you said, are able to hit the right chords. My fave is ”The Goodbye Look”.
Lars - hi, okay, okay, let's go for HH&F, and Uriah Heep too... ”Today is only Yesterdays Tomorrow” had a cool cover, a mirror... if my memory isn't letting me down.
Negative Girl - my sweetest little honey, did you get my email?
dr Mu - ”leied”? Hmmm, what is... AHA! That sexual thing! Oh yes, I remember that one. I did that thing once. Back in... let's see, how old is my son... well, must have back in 1974 or something. Darn good stuff that one.
StAl - I bet you're still listening to ”Dave Dee Dozy Bicky Mick & Tits” too.
c
Sorry! "Wish all of you couldn't be there" was meant to read "wish all of you could've been there". You knew that, right?p
I'm confused. I thought the entire Damned show was being webcast live. We all thought that! There was even a little red light on top of a camera. Must've been one of the band member's mother.I'll follow up on it tomorrow. Maybe it's a tape they'll keep in their "archive" for viewing at a later time.
We had a great time. Wish all of you couldn't been there. The crowd was small (compared to the last NYC gig at Pete Fogel's venue). But they were incredibly responsive and a whole lot of fun to be performing to/with (many of them seemed to be performers in their own right).
That's it for now. Goodnight.
Peg
I have just switched to DSL, so I have a new email address (obviously) for those who want it ...To Z of X - I can't remember what I might have written about Babylon Sisters, but, since I went back and re-read your October 14th and 19th posts, I just wanted to tell you, that after a very careful listening to the song, you can hear the guitar in one channel and a muted clavinet in the other channel doubling each other with the reggae beat during the verses. See if you can hear it when you listen to it next. I again want you to know that I really do want to hear the rendition that your students do. I am sure that it will be impressive, and you got my support man.
Hi Steve V (the yellow kid) - didn't you and your wife welcome a newborn into your lives recently (in the past 6 months?). I hope that all is well with you.
Duncan - Congratulations and a big Hello to Linda !!!
Negative Girl -- !!! Oh my gawd !!! I am truly blushing. Being a DOM ain't all it's cracked up to be, ... or is that to be up all it's cracks !!! D'Oh !! I mean D'OM !!!! Funny site Negs. Great ancient fossilized phalluses art work. Funny Honey.
Angel - I too tried to get the Tippitinos (sp - sorry) webcast, with my new DSL connection but was unsuccessful also, but then I went out to play some Steely Dan music with some friends (not the SFB crew) and it was really fun. Hard, but fun.
A few buddies and I have been jamming on some of the Donald Fagen solo tunes, Tomorrow's Girls, Countermoon, I.G.Y., and The Nightfly. These songs are truly "use it or lose it". I really had trouble remembering all of the bizarre, beautiful, and unusual chords our main man Donald uses in these songs, but when I hit them, it's as close to nirvana as a Fagen freak like I can get.
Death to terrorists, Peace to all others, and,
God Bless America and peace-loving people all over the world.
Steveedan
Just checking in....life is ok in these parts.....just crossing our fingers that Indonesia and/or malaysia don't go crazy w/anti-American psychos...thanks to whoever posted the article on the Bush/Gore re-count conspiracy.....we all knew Bush was a crook, but hey he's our crook......still grooving on TvN.....a very groovy album.....but I have a quibble with 'Cousin Dupree'...Becker's riff sounds almost exactly like BB King's track on 'Let The Good Times Roll- The Music of Louis Jordan'....I forget the exact track but it seems like Walter mite have been listening to this awesome album before heading into the studio that day.....
39 YEars ago today-Stevie Wonder released his first record!!!!!30 years ago this month counter-culture flick 'You Gotta Walk It-Like You Talk It' closes as a byssmal failure!!!!!! Thus launching the career of our Dynamic 'Dan!!!!!
ciao-Keep the flag flying kids!!!!!(Go Yankees!!!!and this from a Mets Fan!!!!!!! c'mon Arizona is managed by Bob friggin Brenly late of Fox Sports!!!!!!
15 years ago-The Buckner Play=The Miracle Mets last Hurrah!!!
z--to say that antibiotics to treat or use for prophylaxis against anthrax are being kept secret from the public is ridiculous. You are within half a dozen clicks of any number of sources which will tell you what should work. To save you time, the top 3: ciprofloxacin, doxycycline (a type of tetracycline), and amoxicillin). There are others as well. The reason ciprofloxacin is being used is that when a particular bunch of anthrax spores is found, no one knows where it came from and what strain it is. There are various strains which will differ in their patterns of susceptibility to different antibiotics. Special testing is necessary to determine what these are, and while you're waiting on that, you use the antibiotic that is the most likely to kill the most bugs--in this case ciprofloxacin. If the test comes back sensitive to amoxicillin, you can then switch to that.
Angel: I've been trying for awhile, but the webcams seem to be down at all the Tip's clubs. All the archived stuff comes up, so it isn't their site. Somebody turned the cameras off?
Oh well, no Steely Damned for me tonight. I don't have the correct download at home. Sigh....St. Al: Thanks for the information on Steve Shapiro. Checked him out on Amazon and his website. Pretty cool.
Wormy: Thanks for the sleuthing nod. I did work hard for that information. Hope you had a good time last night.
Ed and NYBill: I don't mean to get into the middle of anything here, but I do believe Ed, if you go back a little bit, you will see that NYBill has been trying to back off. If I am wrong, my apologies, but that was the feeling I was getting.
I guess I will read tonight.... :-(
Why Eddie why Eddie why?,Of course I've boasted about the Yankees in the past (all in
good fun of course...), me and about 7 or 8 million other
people in the NY metro area. You've totally misconstrued the
meaning of my prior post and now you won't get off it.
Me thinks this is something more of a personal thing than a
statement about baseball isn't it?Too bad, most people who meet Mr.Bill actually kinda like em'.
I guess that's not true in your case.What a Shame....
Bill
Isn't COKE CAN two words?
dumbassnow that's one word!
Her name was McGill
But she called herself Lil
But everyone knew her as Nancy
FYI -- the word you are looking for is "hypocrite." During the last week of September, I moved to Sherman Oaks and had DSL installed. My problems with Berklee were caused by my ancient a 28k modem and the fact that DSL was not yet available in "the Canyons." Nice try, however.
Isn't it the same W1P who claimed he could not access the SD Berklee webcast? Hypocrit is as hypocrit does, huh?
Q- one word... COKE CAN!
W1P: Bless you, my son.
WOrmy, what's your problem?You take an unsolicited shot at me out of nowhere after emailing me(unsolicited) to "talk" in the not to distant past?
Ebay is a public forum. That too bad - if it was private as it should be, I'd guess you wouldn't have that specious axe to wield.
what's up? You brought it to life here, why don't you finish it here, or email me with your thoughts.
fucking bullshit is what it is. I don't have thin skin, but I don't need this unprovoked gun-slinging.
I don't know where your coming from, nor where you think you're going with it.
All other GB'ers, please go back to your regularly scheduled programming...QB
Although it will probably make me jealous that I'm not there, here's the link for Tipitina's webcast. The venue is UPTOWN. http://www.tipitinas.com/FessCam/fesscam.html
gee a Donald Fagen vintage Nightfly poster is currently at $65 on ebay, ends in 30 minutestoo rich for my blood
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1475666918
Mu: that would certainly solve alot of social ills, wouldn't it.
Chips: We'll be reconditioning the Exxon/Mobil/Chevron/Texaco refineries to KY sites...
&
You sunk my battleship!
!!
Linda's parents are coming to america this weekend to buy some holiday property in Naples florida.Chances are we will be over soon.
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.
only joking can't wait to get over there.
db
(4/7 will have to go soon)
solo
lol
man from ?
Iluia Curiacken
uncle!
do you smoke after sexonly when i go to fast...
db
yeah okay, arf arf
ky ok by me
Uh, okay, not touching that comment, Mu.
StAl: I agree. The sooner we can use lubrication for better purposes, the better.
Clas you fool - I go with the saint - Heads Hands & Feet was a great band. "Warming up the band" was one of the early 70ies great songs and Albert Lee great on guitar.
It's bad when you come to the Guestbook to learn about what's news... I found out that someone is spraying people with crop dusters and the Mariners lost. Oh well.Mu: Granted, you are correct (again you asshole) in your recent posts. Religion is merely a symptom of the fallible human condition. As long as there's people on this planet there will be conflict and wars. However, you can't deny the fact that our countries thirst for the gooey black stuff is what put us in this position to begin with. After all, if it wasn't in our "best interests" as a country, the entire middle east would be about as important to us, strategically speaking, as, say, I dunno...Sweden maybe?
Oh, and Clas... CREAM ROCKS! The original power trio. And what's wrong with Uriah Heap? I like Humble Pie too. Something wrong with that?
LOVEBOB: Lift a skirt and let Tiptina's stream it.
Angel: I meant to mention this a while ago. I think it was you who stated you liked the vibes? Either way, check out Steve Shapiro's new one called Xylophobia. Excellent stuff.
http://www.xylophobia.com
StAl
Clas: Looks like they just got "leied!" HaHa! I love the smell of a lame joke in the morning.The Yankees success: history and currently Joe Torre, clutch players, and team ball. The Cubs and White Sox have similar markets and they SUCK!
Hey Baahhstan: get off Buckner's case willya. Caught a moment or two of Behind the Lines or whatever - don't usually watch that, but was brain dead last night after 8:30 (kids sick). The guy was a great player for the Dodgers and Cubs. Played on two rickety, bum wheels in the twilight of his career (an was one of the reasons the Red Sox were in that position) that didn't allow him to get over and set up quickly. Plus it was a tied game SIX. Like Fisk's homer was in game SIX! Ever heard of game SEVEN???!!
StAl. Hoping for Mr. Fusion soon. As for religion. Wouldn't matter - based on human nature That's only an excuse used by twisted people to get power. Most human conflicts IMHO are about power in the end. For example, the Spanish Inquisition was nor about religion, but about power of a twisted sect of the Catholic Church to control power of education and thought. Churches in the Dark Ages held large power at least in part because of they were the only source of knowlege: scientific, philosophical, medical, theological. The cause of the Spanish Inquisition was fear by twisted ones that they might lose that power. In one sense the Catholic Church was able to save a great deal of knowledge that was not sacked or burned by the Barbarians, Huns or lost in the Great Fire of Alexandria. Thus that was actually a positive role that the Church played during the Dark Ages. People of any religion, party, Union, company, tribe, can be good or bad or a comination of both. Equal opportunity evil.
Therefore, it really would not matter whether the twisted people who cause reigns of terror (whether it be the Spanish Inquisition or the Nazis or Stalin, or Mao, or Osama) were a large corporation, a politcal party, a government, a religion, or just a really big, nasty guy. It's NOT the *artifices* that man creates - the problem is WITHIN man himself. It's power that tempts, that corrupts - but who let's it? This is exactly why our forefathers (Madison, etc.) drew up the Bill of Rights! Don't trust PEOPLE with POWER. Therefore, the best protection against these people is to LIMIT their power!
Check out the Steely discography!
It's not the gun - it's the person: "You will be what you are just the same." As we've all seen recently, even boxcutters can propel the will of evil.
People who twist religion are certainly way low on the pond scum continuum. Falwell truly is an idiot who no longer can garner even a molecule of respect. But then there's Osama, who's hijacked a religion for his own twisted vision of power with no respect for human life, freedom, or dignitiy. Either the sex change operation or imprisonment in a big time US pen (like Angola) would be fitting.
Since we idolize muscians and Hollywood folks who try to "change the world," should not they be ridiculed for their stupid ideas. Common folk should be able to express themselves under the first Ammendment and expect disagreement, but ultimate *ridicule* should be (and often is) saved for people with real, or imagined, potent power: Congress, the President, religious leaders, and moronic musicians and Hollywood types. No wonder the boys have cleverly kept a low, subversive profile (with one unofficial slip-up).
If the sound of Lennon's "Imagine" emits from the radio speaker on more time...you better watch out 'cause I'm gonna say f------! People would be subject to the same folly and evil no matter what culture, religion (or lack therof - 45+ million dead by atheist Communists over the last 100 years), social structure, economic structure existed. The easy way out for man is to point a finger and blame the "system." As Mark Knopfler once croaked "when you point your finger 'cause your plan fell through, you got three more fingers point back at you." John, sorry you're gone, but it's the people, stupid.
Hope your kids are giving to the Afghan relief fund. Our kids did at school.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/attack/2001/10/23/crop-duster.htm
nybill,
You have been boasting and others can attest to your behaviour-good night
blood sampling?http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/thejediorder/index.html
welcome home, johnny.
UK census newsthe Jedi faith has now been officially recognised as a religion by the Office of National Statistics, because thousands of people wrote "Jedi Knight" on their 2001 census forms
db
Steviedan/Randy: Just received tha Manassas albums and had to play Down the Road. Utter bliss to hear something that represents an innocent earlier state of mind for me and my pals. I'm getting the old gang together for a game of cards and when the right "atmosphere" occurs, I'll stick it on and watch their faces. Pensamiento was the favorite even though we had no idea what they were singing. It's odd to see lyrics to what you only guessed at before.Herowine/Arrow wine( we figured it must be some obscure brand).Zen/sin.Haven't listened to all of the original, but it's growing on me.
FYI 60$Canadian. It's considered import.
Is that some kind of bird
Midnite help ??
db
who gives a flying titfuck about baseball you jackasses?
Jim and Cara Mia thanks
bumming you were not able to be hear taking it all in as well.
Angel -nice detective workan undisclosed rumor has it that Q has solicited Don and Walt for those damn HoF statues and since they already gave one out for various "favors", he had to buy River Sounds in order to get the second one. Q was a little miffed that this transaction did not occur on e-bay so as to bolster up his ebay rating averages.
Love Bob and Peg
e-mail me, maybe we can catch dinner before the showwebcast? why not
wt
Name: Jim#
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 19101 at 02:09:29
Comments:
Wormy: Have a great time tonight, bro.http://www.tipitinas.com/Shows/uptownschedule.html
Luckless Pedestrian - wait a minute, are you saying you're being harassed by Paige?There's nothing in Cincinnati to do for Paige.
Hi Guys, howdy Dolls,take a look at this picture, it looks like Our Boys are out for some Surfin' Safari:
http://www.michaelmcdonald.com/friends%20&%20family.htm
WHAT! Who's harassing Luckless Pedestrian?This will NOT be tolerated, LP, send them in to me, I'll let them spend the night in Cincinnati.
---
StAl - King Crimson? Dave Matthews? Are you still listening to Cream too? Uriah Heep? Heads Hands and Feet?
---
They say that the weight of this site's problem, is enough to make this page fall right thru cyberspace.
---
Midnite C - deadline; before New Years Eve, hurry up!
I must share, aint got time really, I am stressed as hell, got to go, but this is so funny;
Mike mc Donald is presenting the band and when he comes to the bassplayer, Charles Frichter, he's saying something like;
”...and he is out with a solo CD. After the show he'll be standing down the hallway selling it.”
mc Donald turns around a little to the right, checking out mr Frichters reaction. Frichter looks like a raisin so mc Donald turns to the michrophone again saying;
”No no, I'll be standing down the hallway after the show... trying to sell mr Frichters CD.”
And then he starts to play the great intro to ”Minute by Minute” and the crowd just goes YEAAAAAHHH!
C
Ever wonder where all the National Guard people who have been called up have gone? Not fighting in Afghanistan, thats for sure. How about;http://www.almartinraw.com/column37.html
Excerpt:
"They weren't in their regular uniforms. It's a new gray uniform with a gray helmet and a visor so you can't see their eyes. The only thing you can see is from their lips down because they said that's "to prevent any retribution" from people who don't like this new idea.This uniform looked exactly like the Imperial Storm Troopers from "Star Wars" except instead of white, it was gray. All the helmets have little transceivers so they can communicate with each other. There will be six guards at each internal security checkpoint. And there's another warning on the inside of the barbed wire enclosure, "Any detainees attempting to escape will be shot." It was a yellow and red sign inside the detainment area.
The only person who actually spoke on camera during this story was a sergeant, an Army Reservist sergeant. You could tell that he completely disagreed with what was going on. You couldn't hear the question being asked, but he was looking at the camera and he said, "We're here to protect the people." Then he put his head down and shook his head, and you could tell he didn't believe a word of what he was saying -- like it was some big frigging joke."
Yeah, we're not going to lose ANY rights or freedoms in Bush's new world. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Tin soldiers and Nixon's(AshKKKroft's) coming, da dadada da da daa.......
Ed,I was'nt rubbing it in. Look back at some of the past posts
between St.Al and I. We were talking about baseball's lack
of a salary cap and the impact it has had on a teams ability
to win games. The Yankees win because the Yankees spend.
Try getting your facts straight before you go on the attack
brother.....
..Fla.Dave.. Garibaldi it is..
YGK: Been trying to e-mail you.. Tag! Yerrit..
That TOP notice is meant for You & all the crew at Lebar Bat..
Get some ribs & ripple & wallow in some Seriously Deep Good Stuff..
P.S.IDIOT!
You all have a wonderful time in N'awlins. Wish I could meander on down to join in the fun. I need a little bit of a break.Wormy, y'er gonna luv it.
cara mia
N.Y. Bill--Enough already! Seattle set a major leauge record this year for most wins in a season. They don't need to spend anymore money. Anything can happen in a short series...and it did...the Yankees won.
P.S.The Jets got thier asses absolutely handed to them on sunday
by the St.Louis Rams. I guess that salary cap thing works
after all...
NYBILL,
seattle lost the series,but not its self respect.
Its people like you who boast and dig it in to other people
who find much wrong with people like you.
Ed Beatty- born in the bronx,a yankees fan and tip of the hat to seattle for a great season
St.Al:The Yankees won (somehow I remember someone predicting that
they would...) Anyway don't feel bad because I assure you
that if the Seattle Mariners are just willing to spend say
another $100 to $125 million dollars next year I'm sure that
they can scrounge up another 2 or 3 wins in the playoffs.
Is that too much to ask?Bill
Peg: Good luck tomorrow. Tell Bob to let the webcast go on. :-)
Still have that fantasy of hopping a plane tomorrow, but I don't have a ticket, so I think I am definitely missing the gig. If the Worm makes it, treat him real nice.2 pieces of Steely information came my way today. (Apologies to the Amen gang for the double post).
One was posted over on the Yahoo site for Steely Dan. That was that "Off the Record", a syndicated radio show, had an interview with Steely Dan last evening. I inquired about when the interview took place and was told by the DJ that it was pieces of 3 interviews from the past. The information had not been used before. Did anyone happen to hear it?The other piece of information is that Donald may be in the process of selling River Sound. I am not positive of that fact, but when I heard about it, I immediately went to the Official SD website. The link to River Sound has been removed from the site. So that lends some truth to the rumor. If that is the case, where are they recording "The Next One"?
LP, Jim #, Paige, et al. Sorry I missed you all in chat.
What a concert that was on VH1. I hope it runs again. If it does someone let me know, please. I decided to run around the yard with the puppy during the Backstreet Boys, was confused at the whole JayZee or JZ or watevah, and marveled at the camera direction with the Goo Goo Dolls "Iris".That Jerry Falwell was a disgrace to the state of Virginia for the longest time, then he was a national disgrace, and now since September 11th he's an international disgrace.
Peggy -- Babble On Shiksa, SHAKE IT! Sad to hear about the ugliness in your life, glad to hear about the loveliness there and best wishes for more loveliness.
To those in Nawlins for the show be it performers or spectators -- Have a blast!
Dragon
help i'm being harassed in the chat room by jim# and paige!!!!
I'd like to reiterate a request I made a while back. It'd be really cool if we could all avoid reposting entire articles on the guestbook, especially when a link is provided. It's a bit of a waste and adds to the size of this guestbook in an unnecessary manner. A better method would be to repost part of the article with the link to the full text.It's only a suggestion.
And whoever posted that last message about Falwell, thanks for bringing it to my attention. He is an asshole of immense proportions and anytime I can read dirt about him I enjoy it...
Get rid of organized religion and oil and you might solve a whole bunch of problems.
http://commondreams.org/news2001/1022-04.htmJerry Falwell Tries To Cash In On Controversy
TV Preacher's Ministry Sends Out Fund-Raising Appeal Exploiting His Controversial Tirade Over Terrorist AttacksWASHINGTON - October 22 - Although TV preacher Jerry Falwell claims to have apologized for his infamous remarks about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, his ministry has sent a fund-raising letter to donors recasting his statements in a positive light and depicting him as a victim of the news media "wolf pack" and "liberal lies."
In an Oct. 4 appeal for funds, Jerry Falwell Ministries accuses "liberals, and especially gay activists" of launching "a vicious smear campaign to discredit him." It says Falwell is "being roundly vilified by the news media for remarks he made in a TV interview while calling for spiritual revival in America."
The letter, signed by Falwell's son Jonathan, compares Falwell to biblical heroes such as the Prophet Jeremiah and Queen Esther and says, "Liberals of all stripes, especially in the media, have seized on this opportunity to trash dad's deeply held Christian beliefs and to literally attack him day and night."
"It seems that Satan has launched a hail of fiery darts at dad recently," writes Jonathan Falwell. "He needs to know you still support him. Please return the enclosed Vote of Confidence Reply Card right away in the envelope I have provided within the next 5 days….And with your card, please remember to include a special Vote of Confidence gift for Jerry Falwell of at least $50 or even $100 along with your signed card."
Falwell's critics say the fund-raising letter is a new low.
"This is truly outrageous," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "Falwell has gone from apologizing for his hateful remarks to trying to cash in on them.
"I thought Falwell couldn't sink much lower than he did in his vicious remarks after the Sept. 11 tragedy," continued Lynn. "But this fund-raising letter is indeed a new low."
On Sept. 13, Falwell went on TV preacher Pat Robertson's "700 Club" program to discuss the terrorist attacks. With Robertson's concurrence, Falwell blamed the events on judges who uphold church-state separation, abortion rights activists, gay people, civil liberties activists and others who are "trying to secularize America."
Said Falwell, "I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this [the terrorist attack] happen.'"
When a wave of intense national criticism erupted, Robertson blamed the episode on Falwell. Falwell initially tried to explain away the remarks, saying they were taken out of context. Finally, however, he issued a full apology, going on ABC's "Good Morning America" Sept. 20 to admit the tirade was "stupid" and "indefensible."
The Falwell fund-raising letter says donations to his ministry have plummeted in recent days and claims "we have lost more than $500,000 in income since the terrorist attacks."
It complains that "even some Christian friends have remained silent while dad has faced the media wolf pack alone." In a P.S., it concludes, "[P]lease let Jerry Falwell know you don't believe the media distortions being spread about him."
Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.
Bob says Tipitina's is prepared to do a live webcast of our show tomorrow night. Whether or not he'll LET them is the big question. Here's a link:http://www.tipitinas.com/Shows/uptownschedule.html
W1P - sorry to hear of your daughter's accident
looks like I'll be holding fort at the Damned show
unless Aja (the older) jumped on her wild hair idea
(will say hi Peg)
Auss - the Crim shows, is John Paul Jones the opening act???
double whammo - quite impressive on multi basses, pedal steel etc
catching the Voodoo fest this weekend
acts include Bush, Black Crowes, Govt Mule and Tool
the next gen's music
the new Genesis Songbook DVD is tolerable
the Gabriel era vid and Hackett stuff is worth
sitting through Collins overta exposurja
wormy
PEG! HOT DAMN SISTER! Good to see you again.W1P: Good news for sure. How about this one... Stella has now made not one, but two trips down the stairs all by herself...Talk about shaken parents. It's not a nice sound to hear normal kid noises, then thud..thud....thudthudthud...thud........thud....WAAAHAAHAHAHHHAAA!!!
The worse part is you don't know whether to pick em up or what afterwards. We even bought a special gate for the stairs, but it only works if you shut the damn thing...
Ahh parenthood.
Hi Peg and angel, we had to pull the plug on Nawlins. But the baby is giving every indication of being just fine. Tell Bob and Wormy Tom that we miss them. Some babies grow in a peculiar way.
I will not miss him. Loved his book and all of his Mamet movie appearances too. Can't wait.Suitable for (mature) 8- and 10-year old?
Jon
Hi to anyone who remembers me. I see, as always, there are many new Dan Fans on this book.The past year has been crammed full of all kinds of personal stuff, from the bad: divorcing (and all the ugliness that seems to be required to go along with it), traveling too much (day-job related) and moving; to the good: day-job is still great, making new friends, getting closer than ever to my daughter, who is turning out to be such cool kid, more ballet/modern/jazz dance classes and more guitar playing.
And right now, I'm in New Orleans, taking an extra day before our show (The Steely Damned) tomorrow night. So, late last night, on a whim, I had my belly button pierced! Here's the kicker: the "piercing artist" had a ticket for The Steely Damned show in his pocket! Now how strange is that?
Anyone who is planning to come to the show, please come up to the stage and say "hi" to me (I'm the one with the red hair). And please bring your 20 closest friends.
W1P -- hope your daughter is OK. It was hard enough to leave mine with a babysitter for just one night, and she's not injured! I hope you make it out here, though. Would be great to hang out with you and your wife.
That's all for now. I'll sign in again soon, I promise.
p.s. I don't know if Bob mentioned it, but the website has been redesigned. Check it out at www.thesteelydamned.com
NUCLEAR MYSTERY: Crashed plane's target may have been reactor
Nicholas Rufford, David Leppard and Paul EddyTHE hijackers who forced a fourth passenger jet to crash during the September 11 attacks in America may have been intending to use it to bomb a nuclear power station to cause a Chernobyl-type disaster.
The FBI is studying a report that the four terrorists who seized the plane may have been attempting to steer it towards a cluster of nuclear power stations on the east coast of America. The most likely target was Three Mile Island, site of America's most serious nuclear accident in 1979.
United Airlines flight 93 crashed into a field near the tiny town of Shanksville, in Pennsylvania, 90 minutes after taking off from Newark, New Jersey. All 44 passengers and crew on board died.
Until this weekend it had been assumed that the hijackers of the plane, a Boeing 757, were planning to fly it either to the presidential retreat at Camp David, or to Washington and crash it into the White House or the Congress and Senate buildings on Capitol Hill. But security officials have now revealed that within a week of the attacks, the FBI sent a report to MI5 saying that a "credible source" had said that the terrorists might have been planning to hit a nuclear plant.
Had it breached the plant's reactor vessel, such a strike could have caused an incident on the scale of the Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine, which spread radioactive material over thousands of square miles in 1986.
US security sources say that Three Mile Island, which is part-owned by British Energy, was the subject of surveillance by some of the hijackers and their associates in the months before the terrorist attacks. One security official said: "Early on in the investigation we did receive a report from the FBI that the plane may have been heading for a nuclear power station. This was based on their analysis that Pittsburgh is near several power stations.
"There is some plausibility to this and we're not trying to dismiss it. But it may well be that nobody will ever know where the plane was going."
The "nuclear meltdown" assessment has not been independently confirmed but was taken seriously enough by the FBI to pass to European governments, including Britain and France.
The analysis is based on a study of flight 93's flight path and the fact that there are five nuclear power stations in the area. Experts say that the plane does not appear to have been hijacked until it was passing over West Virginia, some 200 miles beyond Washington. It then made a series of sharp turns before going into a steep descent. Aviation experts say that at this point there were three nuclear power stations between the plane and Washington and directly in its line of flight: Three Mile Island, Peach Bottom and Hope Creek.
Investigators cannot understand why the plane would have descended so early, unless its intended target was much nearer than Washington. The descent could have been an error by one of the hijackers, but if so, they cannot understand why the plane did not then climb again once control was regained.
oops, forgot to mention - aus, check my menu at the amen corner, i'm sure you would approve......
aus/ward - yes on that weekend, you are already booked in!
Dean Wurmer: Pumped beyond belief, I just scored two pairs of tickets for King Crimson in Boston at the Orpheum Theatre on Saturday December 8th and the other pair to see them here at the Beacon Theatre 8th row centre on Thursday December 13. Count on some serious granularity and colour from yours truly here on Beema's pages.And speaking of St. Al....sounds like you caught some killer groovy grooves there bro.....thanks for heads up report. I'll keep my glassies peeled for them.
YGK, LadyBaySide, and Randy: Sorry I missed out on Bowl-a-rama....sounds like you guys had a blast....and so close too to mine and Babe's love lair.....must be a next time.
Chere: I will blast today. Loved getting soaked in the rain with you last night.
NMN and LuckLess Pedestrian: Get ready for me in Boston that weekend...no excuses. Babes should be there too....
Everyone have a great day.
Aus
Randy: I knew there was a name for the damn thing. I just wonder how he adapted the more traditional "theramin" to work with deer antlers...eLLe: KGB not LSD -- that was no whammy bar. Trust me.
.....Let's give a nice welcome back show of hands for eLLe!
Hi, y'allJust saw a great gig last night. My mate, Adrian lent me a CD by 'Hamell on Trial' called 'Choochtown', and it was effin' brilliant, so he was playing a small dive in Glasgow last eve. I don't know how well known he is, but I believe he is from Syracuse, NY. On his own with guitar and jokes, absolutely brill. You should check him out if you like that sort of stuff. Apparently he ties up with an artist called Ann DiFranco in the States.
Clas, saw McD on TV here last week, doing a solo number, very nice, great voice (as we all know)
Peace all
Al
No, but you can smoke my wang, smeLLe.
antlers on guitars?
wow, what are you smoking?
could you be talking about a WANG Bar?
St. Al - (In reference to your post below) The device in question to which you referred is called a 'theramin,' which is basically a small black box on a stand with a telescoping antenna that responds to movement based on proximity. The unit creates a magnetic field which alters the sound it emits as the magnetic field is manipulated (through movement).On another note, I had a chance to talk to Dennis Chambers on Friday night (10/19) at Birdland in NYC. We basically discussed his work with Steely Dan (he claimed working with them was a "dream come true"), and his current employer (whom he was performing with that night), Andy Summers. It was very insightful talking to Chambers, and interesting to talk to Andy Summers as well. I'm working on a piece for the Andy Summers website concerning his current work which will be posted there upon its completion.
It was a great show that had Summers, Chambers, and bassist Daryl Jones walking the line between jazz and rock, without the vacuous aftertaste of "fusion." Lots of Thelonious Monk and Charles Mingus pieces, with all three players clearly playing at the top of their game. Not at all a "rock" crowd... Clearly a jazz context (hence the venue). One of the best shows I've seen in some time, with Summers work being innovative, engaging, and unique. Not much of that happening in jazz OR rock these days-
"You won't believe what the boys are blowing..."
- Steely Dan, 'Parker's Band'Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
St.Al....wand type things? I remember Jimmy Page using a violin bow on a few things? The only other thing that comes to mind is a hand held device called an E-Bow that produces unlimited sustain when held over a guitar string. Cool effect that you don't see used much anymore. Would it be either of these two things? You've got me curious about it now.
I saw a freight train last night in the form of a rock concert. Wow! The Oysterhead show was fantastic. Every bit as good as I expected, if not better. Couldn’t believe how tight the band was considering it was their first “official” concert performance ever. They walked onstage to one of the louder standing ovations I’ve seen in a while. They just had to sit there and wait… For me the highlight was watching Stewart Copeland bang on the drums. He still plays with every bit the same intensity as he did with the Police and he looks fantastic. 2 drum kits. One he sat at, the other was a standing setup. Claypol, Anastasio (on “Antipasto” as Claypol frequently referred to him) were equally as good. Trey had this guitar with deer antlers on it. These antlers served the same purpose as one of those (help me out here musicians) wand-type things that as you move your hand around them it makes weird noises (like Jimmy Page used in Dazed and Confused). Strangest thing I’ve ever seen. Held the guitar upside down to play it. Their sound had much more of a straight rock edge than their recorded stuff. Reminded me of King Crimson in intensity and musicianship. For you fans of this style of “Jam” music, I highly recommend. Tones, Wormy, Stevie…you’ve got to try to get tix. You wont be disappointed. I’ve noticed as they move closer to Midwest and East Coast most of the shows are sold out, as they were last night.4 hours sleep. I’m getting too old for this shit.
StAl
Keef R. turned up today at work on a new cd I bought at the weekend.
Sheryl Crow & ''friends'' live in NYC & very good it is too
Also treated myself to a copy of A bridge too far on vidBaseball ?
db
Clas....nice review of the MM show....I'd love to see him play live again....probably my all time favorite male vocalist.so when is the deadline for the CD Comp III?
we're on vacation this week....heading to Myrtle Beach in the morning for a couple of days....then gonna come home for a night and head to the Blue Ridge Parkway Friday for a couple more days....should be a good week....y'all take care now, ya hear?
W1P: Know that drill, we ended up at Children's Hospital with our child when it happened. Hope she recovers just fine. Only you know if you feel ok leaving her at this point.Did anyone watch the VH1 Concert for NYC? Quite a British presence at the affair. All in all, I found it an interesting watch. Though I did indeed read a book, during the boring spots. :-)
Clas, I don't belong on an album with Wadenius on it, nope. But I like the web page for this year's "Techno_Mutha_Homey" a whole lot.
Check it out, y'all. Kudos StAlphonso for getting involved like this.Mu, that very line was stuck on repeat in the mind reel yesterday, despite having reached the point of disgust. It's an insinuous terror, those parallel universe lines. When you rewrite lyrics over an established refrain, it seems to have this lasting wicked effect when done well. And that cut out Colin Powell was scary. I think my kid might have had nightmares about it.
FAR OUT! Yesssss MAN!If you're going to those San Fransisco Nights,
Be sure to put some flowers in your fur Pompe!
---
Mac Donalds Band:
git and vocals - Bernie Chiaravalle
Vince Denham - sax and keyboards
bass and vocals - Charles Frichter
Marc Harris - B3
Yvette Prayer - drums and vocals
---
And hell, I didn't know Chuck Sabatino was dead.
---
Support the Musicians of the GBook!
Send your songs to, you find it under the Support the musicians... my address is there, any questions, send them to the office, my assistent will take care of those. Come on now, we're way behind playing.
Blaise, dust off your blues... where's your guitar man?
W1P - let's here it, hoola bandoola!
Bob Tedde - come on, love peace and understanding, uh?
Schwinn, I don't know if there's any room for you, but send in your shit anyway. I'll se what I can do.
JW Malibu - hurry up, try to get your stuff thru the US-mail now...
Lisa G, Gina, maybe, I say maybe, if there's room you can be playing with us boys too. Ha ha HA!
YGK - everything is forgiven, send your stuff to; you'll find it under the Support The Musicians-site, Clas Lundkvist-site, I'll master the stuff on Pro-Tools, unfortunately our Swedish Commie Gov's only allowing Mono, and we have to have this fucking dolby-button in ”on”-position. It's bad, but we'll get over it. Jusd forged aboud id.
See you!
C
You've bought the tee shirt now get the videohttp://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/21/nsusp121.xml
Hi guys, hi dolls.I saw Mike mc Donald playing a small club-gig last nite. He looked a little tired but healthy, lost weight. It was so great. Jeans and a T-shirt, a Yamaha S-80 and a 5-piece-band. Tight as heaven, the harmony-backup singing was great (especially the female drummers voice was exceptional) (she wasn't bad at the drums either, I can't understand how one can play the drums and sing at the same time).*
When they finally played ”What a fool...” and ”Taking in it to the Streets” and ”Here to Love You” the audience was happier than a dog with two, eh, with... happier than a dog.
The band was swinging, I thought the walls was about to come tumbling down. And good medicine; the bass-waves pumping steady at my Sternum. Straighted up my neurotic heart.
* I know Don Henley can't.
---
So, how was Steely Damned?
Audi and out,
C
... that the mike mcdonald christmas thing was indeed recorded at hickory farms studios in wisconsin with aunt jemima at the board...i'm almost scared to check for myself, now...
Aussie- Leave Pat alone. He already told us he really doesn't care about baseball when his team is losing. Hey Aussie...without looking in the Yankee yearbook, name more than four players on the team.
THREE DOWN ONE TO GO!THE YAAAAANKEES WIN!
Hey Beemer!!! One to go babes. I mean, the look on Boone's face was priceless. How exciting.Aus
FW: from Aja
MEMORANDUMTo: Al Gore
From: President George W. Bush
Dear Al,
We found some more votes in Florida-you won! When can you start?
George W. Bush
W1P:FYI: Roger Waters is touring the U.K. next year. Check out Ticketmaster U.K.
Jim Ladd actually appears on Roger Waters' Lp "Radio KAOS" and then toured in 1987 with Roger as the DJ "Jim" New Orleans has just been placed in doubt -- Aja hit her head on some bricks this morning resulting in a gusher of blood, one stitch and some pretty shook up parents who had their first trip to the emergency room with their daughter. She seems to be fine, alert and completely oblivious to what happened. But its tough to leave the baby with a (very trusted) sitter for 3 days under these circumstances. But a final decision has not been made.
I've got to keep Perry away from the keyboard. He meant FAA. Have some more grog, dear.
The last and ever instance I checked the Constitution and Ammendments to thereof, it protected irrational non-sequitor lead-ins to a Keystone Cop Scenario URL. Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights protects individuals from Federal tyranny, not from idiotic Bozos at the Airlines. The article noted that FCC wanted little part. Also, the United Airline morons did not take or remove or burn the book, but used it as a "loose screw" profiling tool. Complete protection would involve replacing all the minimum wage security clowns with Federal agents. Given, the lack of compentent security, that raises a dilemna. More Feds protecting us and our Freedoms?There will be a pop quiz on the Bill of Rights later.
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml
David: Good luck with the surgery. Scary thing for a man who makes his living singing. I'll try to be extra diligent about making sure the chat room stays up...Ok gang, I've updated the Technicolor Motorhome with all the information you need. So what are you waiting for? Send your stuff to Clas NOW!. Link at the top of the page, or: http://www.banyantreenet.com/clas
StAl
David....I hope the surgery goes well and you're singing to the masses again soon! We'll keep a good thought going for you this week. Take care buddy!
OMIO- I thought Dave Garibaldi the original Drummer for Tower of Power was back in the band. Russ McKinnon's Back in?
Well I played my last Gig for a month Last night. Gonna get this damn Surgery thing over on Thursday Morn. 6:30 A.M.
Pre-test stuff tomorrow.
A friend came up last night and said " we're all kinda hopeing the Doctor fucks up and then your CD Clockdrive World will be worth something...like when somebody Dies and their sales go up"
I said "Sorry Pal, that only happens when the material is good to begin with." LOL Ebay here I come.
St Al- I gotta talk to you about a Drum set I just bought. Called an "Expresso" by Slingerland. Very Cool and Portable in Bright Yellow. Yes, I know I didn't need another Drum set but this one is...well Different.
Hope to see some of you in chat these next couple of weeks. Won't even be able to talk for a week after surgery so the Chat will be appreciated. Later, David
L.I. Bill & St. Al---I think I know why the Yankees have won 25% of all the world series. They've been in the leauge 85% longer then the rest of the teams in baseball...duh
ST Al:I hear what you're saying... All I was trying to say to
"The Yankees Win" is that it's a shame that Major League
Baseball has become such a business that the teams in the
smaller venues are at such a tremendous disadvantage.I was unaware of the 25 pecent statistic that you brought up
but it does'nt really suprise me considering the historically
fiscal inequity of the various clubs in the league. One gets
a little tired of seeing the same group of clubs in the
playoffs every year. Kind of like watching the 49'ers and
Cowboys kick every ones ass year in and year out throughout the
80's and 90's...Thank God that's over..Still in all, I like to watch baseball during the playoffs and
world series because the clubs are more closely matched in
talent (and of course greenbacks too...). The Mariners really
kicked butt last night. They started scoring in the 6th inning
and I thought they'd never stop. It was embarassing to watch.
Proving that although the field is tilted slightly in the
Yankees favor that the Mariners can still win this thing with
determination and focus. If they tie the series up it should be
real interesting...Still, the next time you, Don, and Walt are at the next Major
League Baseball owners meeting you might want to bring up
the possibility of a salary cap. Just make sure to wear your
helmets and full-body armour ok?NYBill
I know more than I'm telling you and less than you want to know.They are only about half finished. They were half finished with Two Against in 98. Don't hold your breath but keep anticipating.
huh?
Try some sports where more than one nation actually competes .
US champions would be more appt.
Sorry, it's I love It When You Call Me Names. Wher did I get Beat Me Up? Wishful thinking?
Joan Armatrading just received the OBE from her country. I don't have any of her stuff, but I've always admired her original work; powerful lyrics and unique song structure. There was a segment in the Secret Policemans Third Ball where she played an acoustic piece called I Love The Way You Beat Me Up or something like that, that was very impressive. Any thoughts on her, people?
Does she tour/record anymore?
... "venus di mildew" ? a shorter (wayne) composition on hank mobley's "a caddy for daddy" album ? mccoy tyner, lee morgan, curtis fuller, billy higgins, bob cranshaw. a near perfect blue note era specimen. one for wormy's shorter thread... that didn't sound right...party on, wayne...
beavis, he said "wormy's shorter"...
JJ: I'd love to own the Golden Road box set. Too damn expensive though. Besides, with all those free bootlegs circulating I'm swimming in music...NYBill: I brought up the subject of salary caps for MLB after Texas scooped A-Rod from us, which Texas is gagging on...There are so many things about pro sports that bother me, this being one of them, that I've really become dissatisfied with the whole thing. It's been tough this year because the Mariners have fielded such an amazing team it's almost impossible to ignore. The big problem is I LOVE baseball in general. It's the only sport I truly enjoy playing so it's hard to ignore what's been going on.
I wonder if many have stopped to place perspective on this, but the Yankees have won 25% of all the World Series EVER PLAYED. THat's fucking amazing. One team. 25%.
http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ws/history/ws_history_champs.jsp
StAl
Hey! Some Good News for New York City..
Nov. 7,8,& 9 at the Bottom Line, the Incredible, Incomparable,
Tower Of Power.. Legendary horns, the drum & bass combo of McKinnon & Prestia, maybe the best pure funk & soul band Ever..
i mean, if y'all could use a lift, ya won't get lifted no higher than this!
Other towns on the tour as well..
Ole: hi..!
well, if you are a girl i could call you voidetta?
Microsoft's latest aquisition: The use of Ray of Light by Madonna for their latest Windows upgrade. Be prepared.St. Al's latest aquisition: The new 12-CD boxed set by Rhino Records, Golden Road. All Grateful Dead including 7hrs. of prev. unreleased.
Blanky....LOLOLOL! Best discription yet. Got any more where that came from? This is need-a-laugh Saturday...
i am supposed to take your word for this, blanky?
L.I. Bill- That's funny...The Twins were in the same small market city in 1987 and 1991 and they won the world series! This year they were in it through 2/3 of the season before one of their key players got hurt. The teams with most money don't always win and the teams with the least amount of money don't always lose.
yes, I know everything going on
phone call from the CIA to the Taliban... ring.. ring..Taliban: Hello... Taliban here...
CIA: Hello Taliban, CIA here. This is your last warning to turn over Bin Laden and his cohorts or face our the most painful ssault known to man. Will you turn them over?Taliban: Death to America! And no, will not turn them over. Phooey on you!
CIA: Okay, we warned you. *click*ring.. ring..
Taliban: Hello.. Taliban here...
MCI: Hello Sir, this is MCI. I was wondering if you would like to know about our new long distance rates. We can save you money!Taliban: No, death to America! I am not intersted but thank you anyway. *click*
ring.. ring..Taliban: Hello.. Taliban here...
Sears: Hello, I wanted to let you know about our newest deal on aluminum siding. Best deal anywhere. We can have someone right over.Taliban: No thank you. Death to America, and dont call me back please! *click*
ring.. ring..
Taliban: Hello.. Taliban here...
NBC Pollster: Hello sir. We are conducting a poll on importance of sport figures versus celebrities in the minds of the youth. Do you have few minutes to participate?Taliban: Huh, no, *click*
ring.. ring..
Taliban: Hello!..
Citibank: Hello sir, Did I catch you at a bad time? Good.. just wanted to introduce you to our newest gold card with 0% interest on balance transfers for the first......Taliban: *click*
ring.. ring..
Taliban: Hello!!..
New York Life: Are the lives of your loved ones in danger?Taliban: uh.. perhaps...
New York Life: Well good sir, perhaps you might be intersted in our whole-life policy. It protects against death by accident, stoning, or medium range ballistic missles...
Taliban: *click*
Dear Yankees Win...,Andy Pettite pitched the first game of the series, Mike Mussina
pitched the second (he's one of the top 5 mentioned in the last
post). Mariano Rivera closed in BOTH games (also in the top 5
mentioned)...I'm a Yankees fan too but lets not be coy ok? The Yankees are
going to beat the Seattle Mariners because the Yankees outspent
the Seattle Mariners, that's the long and short of it I'm
afraid. The Yankees are known for thier pitching, and they
should be with 3 of the top 5 salaried players being pitchers.
By the way, did I mention that Andy Pettite is making $7 million
dollars a season?I'm not saying that we should whip out the crying towel for
the Mariners; What I am saying is that the Mariners spent alot
of money, they just did'nt spend enough... Is this the way that
baseball should be run? The teams with the most money ALWAYS
win? It's completely unfair... Yes the Mariners spent alot, but
from a business perspective you're not going to throw good money after bad are you? Ticket sales and television rights
only add up to so much. If you spend beyond that then you're
losing money right? Hence the immediate need for a salary cap
in Major League Baseball...Also, you failed to answer my question...
Under the current spending rules, just when do you think the
Minnesota Twins will be a world series contender? Before or
after the next ice age?NYBill
Long Island Bill- I still don't understand what the heck you mean when you say "Seattle fans should just be happy to be where they are" The fact is they have a great team with a lot of great players making a lot of money. Why are they lucky? Because they're in a small market? Who cares! The owner spends money. I don't understand your point when it comes to Seattle fans being "lucky/happy". 116 wins isn't luck......it's good scouting and paying for those players you scouted.Out of the five highest paid yanks you point out, three are pitchers. Two of which play once every five days and one that may pitch one inning a game. The playing field seems a lot more even in this case. Seattle has plenty of starters that can match up to Bernie and Jeter. You get what you pay for..that's why Seattle won the west!
no i don't have any inside info mr/ms[]...& when i mean imminent, i mean in tne forseeable future 1yr 2yrs ??>..not next thursday.....jeez
Dear "The Yankees Win",Dont get me wrong, I like the Yankees and it's fun to see them
win, but I think we'd all agree that the system that they
play under favors big city clubs.Check out
WWW.Canoe.ca/BaseballMoneyMatters/Salaries_Players.htmlThe Yankees have 17 players with salaries of $1 million dollars
plus. They have have 5 players on the team making more money
than Seattles top paid player (Aaron Sele).Keep in mind that Seattle isn't losing these games by much.
They lost the first game 4-2 and the second 3-2. Could these
five players make a difference in a tight game?Derek Jeter $12.6 million/season
Bernie Williams $12.357 million/season
Roger Clemens $10.3 million/season
Mike Mussina $10 million/season
Mariano Rivera $9.15 million/seasonI think the answer is obvious...
Seattle's to player is Aaron Sele @ $7.5 million/season.
Still, Seattle has 20 players making more than $1 million
a season, so the system than now works against them has
worked to thier benefit all season.By comparison, the Minnesota Twins have only 6 players with
salaries of at least $1 million dollars per season. Their
top player is Brad Radke at $7.75 million/season. When
do you suppose the Minnesota Twins will actually win the
world series under these circumstances? Like, never...Understanding all of this, I still like to watch baseball...
BUT ONLY DURING THE PLAYOFFS AND WORLD SERIES. Why? Because
that's when the elite teams of the league play each other and
the playing field is somewhat (but not completely...) more
even.Still, in a tight series it pays to have 4 or 5 extra world-
class players on your side, and that's what we're seeing here.NYBill
... because "i remember sky" is the whole reason i picked up the dianne reeves "i remember" album. i usually don't specifically dig her but THAT song i heard on the radio and i HAD to call the station. turns out that she also does "for all we know" on there and the album enlists mulgrew miller, billy childs, bobby hutcherson, smitty smith. sure i can roll with the rockin' sounds of ben folds but "i remember sky" is a whole 'nother well... er...sky.
cloud.
and on a slightly higher level would be phil woods as wormy reminds me. saw him a few years ago with tom harrell and his regular unit...
fluid.
heavenly.
aja passin' thruuuuuuuu commmme baaaaacccckkkkkkk...
st al. phish WILL be baaaaccckkkkk.
earth.
i remember.
On my first and only teaching observation by my departments' AP this year, I was stunned to find the words "Steely Dan" all over the damn thing!
Turns out he snuck in and observed one of my rehearsals of my Babylon Sisters chart without me knowing it!
I hope I don't have to explain to him or the principal the origin of the name of the group!
Steveedan- Since I'm a weekend warrior here, dogsitting for the otter hound, I didn't get a chance to read your reply (if there was one) to my last ramblings, due to the crash of the GB. Lay it on me if you recall it.
All the talk about Ben Folds led me to think of someone who could compete with the ineluctable "Gaucho", "Aja", and Nitefly LPs.
How about Stephen Sondheim's "I Remember Sky", sung by either Dianne Reeves or Cleo Laine? Sure, it don't rock or funk, but it shaw 'nuff do the beauty thang.
I was reassured by the father of one of my private guitar students, a doctor, that there are at least three other antibiotics that anthrax responds to. He said they were keeping this a secret for some reason.
Speaking of doktors, I think I heard that Doctor Warren Kruger has come up with some sure-fire way of profitting from the anthrax scare. Let's hope that it will work better than the cadaver dog and the Atta-hound schemes. He's probably running low on deludin by now.
and i suppose that you, mr/ms [ ] know all the inside information?
bad rumornothing imminent whatsoever
with rumour rife of a SD release here's hoping they will return to the days before roger nichols, d+w started becoming "somewhat obsessional" with sequencing technology and the ever increasing use of drum machines ( post AJA ) give me purdie/keltner/marotta anyday. milliseconds aren't as important as the groove created by musicians playing off each other...sorry to steer the conversation off rounders....sorry baseball
W1P: Jim Ladd. Wow, really? Or are you just joking with us all. I used to listen to him when he was on KLSX, before Howard Stern got a hold of their airwaves. I miss him. Hope you have a good time in New Orleans.Gina: Did you see this on that Italian website? (il nome deriva da un personaggio del "Pasto nudo" di William Burroughs).
Hmmm, wonder what that says exactly. We all pretty much know what it says, but I would love the literal translation.Negs: Wow, you have really fleshed out that website. :-)
Ole: Once did a work related thingie with Penn and Teller just before they hit it big in 1985. It is a true honor to be able to watch Magician's at work. Enjoy.
Still having a great time reading Wil Wheaton's website. I should stop though, because it is really making me depressed, when I think of how little we get from D & W. Come on guys, just a hint at what you are doing, October is almost gone.
Good weekend all.... Red Beans and Rice on me. :-)
It never fails to amaze meStudents of Rolling Stone, Utne Reader, Mother Jones
are making their predictable pronouncements.
The better, wiser, annointed, FM rock, dope smoking, counter culture, differential, hippie types have realized our complicity in the disaster, the rest of us can now be enlightened.Indeed we are all guilty. Roman Catholics call it original sin.
Modern children of relativism sneer at the western world, drive their Lexus SUVs and then sit in judgement of our leaders.This crowd doesn't hesitate to compare the Christian Right with
Muslim Fundamentalists. This crowd digs Marilyn Manson for how he/she/it strengthens our First Amendment rights.
This crowd views life in the womb as a right to choose.
No wonder the rest of the world hates us. We're deaf, dumb, blind/ and we're hypocrites.Think before you open your pie holes, and please leave foreign policy to the professionals.
Stranger: THAT was hilarious! Great find.Hey Hey Hey St. Al: What about Cubs fans??
"Oliver Stone is just another overpaid, over-exposed, over-rated egomaniac and a flaming asshole.
At this site we worship humble, nutty, reclusive, but genuinely talented egomaniacs."Wow, that's good.
W1P ~ Jim Ladd...now THERE'S a blast from 'da past!
Hello one and all, just a quick hello and tag on the wall....Never any time to lurk, let alone post anymore, but it's good to see the trees are as wacky as ever and everyone is passing the banyan spleef.
I'm holding a ticket to New Orleans right now, contemplating getting on that plane tomorrow and telling my boss to @#(&$! LOL
Have a good weekend!
Aja
Nor-easters--This goes for you too, jon: You MUST see Ricky Jay, who will be at the Market Theater in Hahvahd Squayah through most of November. He never plays a venue that is bigger than about 100 seats, so you can see what he does with his hands from any seat in the house. The guy is truly an icon and a spellbinder. I mean, can YOU throw a playing card at a watermelon from 15 feet and have it stick in like a Bowie knife?Info at http://www.markettheater.org/productions/fall01/ricky_jay.html
We'll be there the Friday after Thanksgiving, I think.
Radio KAOS? Once again Roger Waters rears his ugly head here on the Yellow Book. I knew Jim Ladd was posting here under an assumed handle, breaker, breaker rubber ducky, we got ourselves a convoy. Anybody spend much time listening to Amused to Death? "He's a sourcerer that one." One free W1P pass to our next show to anyone who can tell me where that line is from.
Player salaries? Looks like the Yankees win again...http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Ucjbhj0cKuE:www.narragansett.k12.ma.us/nrhs/sports/baseball/payroll.htm+%22Baseball+Payroll%22&hl=en
get Wild Man Dave in here ....http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3013/
Oliver Stone is just another overpaid, over-exposed, over-rated egomaniac and a flaming asshole.
At this site we worship humble, nutty, reclusive, but genuinely talented egomaniacs.
some italian? or is it ...http://www.ondarock.it/Steelydan.html
it sounds nice out loud. can anyone translate ...
Wearin' my cap with the silly little nautical S in the middle of it ALL WEEKEND LONG.Yes, Whitey. Go Mariners.
Whitey...Right on. All of a sudden St.Al doesn't like baseball anymore.Long Island Bill- It works both ways. Seattle out bid a bunch of teams to get Ichiro. I think they spent 12 million. They also spent a fortune on Jon Olerud. They got him as a free agent. This team got to where they are because they did the same thing the Yankees did...They forked over the $$$$$$$
Radio KAOS reports that Talibanis have back muzzles? Now I really feel uninformed.
Does it pass the sniff test about your new found new age thought process I'm a man who cares if my wife doesn't like me watching sports,or is it just another denial or realization of the premise that bragging as a fan is of little or no consequence and or fueled by beer or other substance?Maybe it was the bandwagon that swept into Seattle and now that the silly baseball team is losing its silly game,you don't have time to support it emotionaly or thru your inner child?
Go Mariners...
Hi Y'all...,Well, even in the midst of this Yankees winning streak I have
to stop for a moment and agree with St. Al... Major League
Baseball is basically unfair.As you may already know, most other professional sports, like
football for instance, have what is known as a "salary cap".
This means that no team in the league can spend more money for
players than any other team. The salary cap is universal
throughout the league.Major League Baseball does not have a salary cap. This means
that teams can spend whatever they want to secure the talent
necessary to win ballgames. This atmostphere helps those teams
in the large metropolitan areas (like New York) and hurts
the teams who play in small cities (like Pittsburge). Besides
being able to put more fans in the stands, teams like the
Yankees and Boston recieve huge financial payments from the
various television networks who bid against each other for the
rights to broadcast the games. Now naturally the Cincinnati Reds
are not going to get nearly the same amount of money for thier
television rights as the Yankees or Red Sox are going to get.
This is simply because the Cincinnati viewing audience is
nowhere near as large as the New York or Boston viewing
audience. Therefore, the Yankees have MUCH more money to spend
on players and coaches than most teams in major league baseball.Now, being that the Yankees have a much deeper pocket than their
competitors, they are able in the offseason to aquire any player
from any other team that they want simply by offering that
player more money. So if you have a player on your team who
developes into a superstar, the Yankees (or some other big city
team) will probably/definetly lure that player away from you in
the offseason. Don't be suprised to see Oakland's Jeremy Giambi
in a Yankees uniform next year. And so it goes... Under these
circumstances the Yankees continue to win and the Pittsburge
Pirates continue to lose (with very few exceptions...).In light of all this, Seattle fans should be happy just to be
where they are right now. The deck is stacked against you.Still this does'nt really explain the Football end of the
Seattle picture... Football has a salary cap. So why do the
Seahawks stink?
Negative Girl:
Your site was concieved in my honor? What can I say? I'm
flattered...maybe...NYBill
NG: Sure, why not. I love the image at the top of the Mail Bag page. I laughed out loud when I saw it. A co-workers walks into the office and asks what was so funny? Umm...The Truth: You are semi-correct in your assessment, but once again far from the total "truth." Some of my postings throughout the year most certainly could be construed as gloating -- motivated by the very thing I hate. Call me human. I'm thinking that, unlike you, I can admit my foibles in a public forum.
Facts don't change. Professional sports are as important to me as your opinion. I'm posting this comment for the other regular posters who's opinions I do care about. I try not to be too inconsistent.
StAl
My My My,
Such high brow philopshy espoused during the tough time of losing two silly ballgames and to make it out as if its beneath
oneself to root for a silly ballgame,and to allude that women
might be judging us for our silly habit.Rooting for cleveland is admirable and I respect that,just stand up and root for the hometeam will ya...
I think I'll have another drink
Love Mickey
Still Groovin'--just not as High as before!-jon
Frankly, he's not pulling it off. He appears to be a jerk and probably is a jerk in real life.
no, he's not
it's a ruse
thank you, saint al! once again, you are the voice of reason and a master of the big picture. libras are known for their egalitarian sensibilities, btw.ALSO thanks for the advice on my site and the good review. may i post your last communiqué in the mail section?
since i'm feeling generous today: i even wish to thank nybill for basically serving as the inspiration for cockery.com. of course, it's all meant in good fun and i'm sure nybill is a fine person in real life.
maybe.
Boy St.Al....Your true colors are really showing now! You really "couldn't care less about the Mariners" after you've been gloating about them ALL YEAR LONG ON YOUR GUESTBOOK! What a joke.
YIKES!"Rep. Buyer Suggests Limited Nuclear Retaliation"
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/wrtv/20011018/lo/929540_1.html
"Israel says Arafat era is over"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001350019-2001363406,00.html
Do you ever think our country's leadership will be able to accept responsibility for their part in the terrorist attacks? Can Israel? Can anyone? We're all guilty you know...
There, I said it.
StAl
http://www.shop1.net/shop1net.htm - go to pics inside the wtcthe takashimaya catalogue quote in the re-do of katy lied (?) is from a high class department store in japan - i went to the one in kyoto - it was surreal - you are treated like royalty upon entry to the golden front doors - there is a concierge desk where the employees wear these hyper-pressed black and white outfits with black and white striped hats - i purchased a few bells for my garden and you'd think i was buying a tiffany diamond (oh yeah, that reminds me, aus, call me - lol) the way they wrapped it, helped me, etc - amazing place - i do remember the department stores of my youth, both in the city and up in syracuse that had that level of service and attention but they are long gone - so imagine my surprised elation to see a quote form their catalogue in the new liner notes - what a treat!
Ok, so the Mariners are losing. Frankly I knew they would. I would have been surprised if they made it to the series (whether is was against the Yankees or the A's), now even more so. Even told Aussie this a while back. Remember that conversation Aus?However, the fact is I really can care less. Didn't even know they lost until I read the GB this morning. I work 2 blocks from Safeco Field and I only attended one game this year. And the only reason I did is my dad dragged me there. As I said in a previous post I gave up on professional sports a long time ago. Two reasons, really. First is the whole bravado/boasting thing that sports fans do. I find it truly ridiculous considering a fan has about as much affect on the outcome of a game as I do hunting down our supposed enemy Bin Laden. I am merely a bystander. So too is the sport fan. Rooting for your team is one thing. Bragging or boasting is simply ludicrous. And as a side note it's one of the reason I've been so outspoken in the past about the Yankee's. It's their fans that annoy me. They've been handed a gift and they think they have some sort of obligation to puff up their chest and tell the world how great they are. This type of behavior, whether it be sports related or not has always been rather obnoxious. Yankee's more than any other team in professional sports have consistently fielded a winner. The easiest thing in the world is to be a Yankee fan. A true sports fan needs to work for it, and by this I mean stick with the losers as well as the winners. Cleveland fans -- now those are some fans I respect.
Second, the chicks. Men, I hate to tell you this but the chicks don't dig you sitting around on your ass watching sports all the time. Well, maybe some chicks do, but most don't.
Angel: Phish hasn't "technically" broken up. Really... Seriously...
Q: You ain't kidding. Speaking above about the chicks not liking their men to become sports potatoes. Here's one. The first time Phish played the Gorge occurred on my honeymoon. I'm trying to figure out how to rearrange my honeymoon so our first stop could have been the Gorge Amphitheater in dusty George Washington. I think my Jami gave me the same look of disgust that she would if she saw me sitting around the couch watching sports all the time. Ok, perhaps she was slightly more disgusted, but you get my point. Try explaining to your new bride who fun it would be to camp in a dusty parking lot with 20,000 phisheads...
Needless to say it was the only year I missed them from 93 - 2000.
Steviedan: Yeah, I saw the irony too. Typical of the anon poster though. This is the reason why people post anonymously. Would want to take credit for being a moron?
StAl
Well, after sending my computer to the sturgeon to be operated on, plus a week or so in intensive care.....I finally got it back. DON'T use Mcafee 6.0!!!! its a screwed up program!!!!!
Glad to see all you kiddies up to par..,never a dull moment here.
sh, NYbillybob, duncan (love that smile)and all you jokesters thanks for keeping the laughs coming! Does a soul good!
Jim#...Sorry, you couldn't make it. But we'll see yas soon, I'm sure.And for the idiot anon who thought I posted something on Oct9th and suggested a douche...Sorry, wasn't me. I was way to busy polishing my horses, showing off my jewelry...and spending lots of money.
Snakie..Wanna come to the bank with me today...they're giving me another vault, first ones full. Last week I got this really cool calculator .....this week...Microwave, toaster,? And for God's sake, Don't wear your night time diamonds this time...that tiara kept slipping off of your head...LOL!
Jim # - no Sea Bass entree at an exquisite restuarant, that was Sunday night surprisingly at Ouray Colorado (ele 8300'). A nice walk in Audubon Park under the Southern Oaks with cool clear skies fit the billCaught the Jazz Underground Shorter Moments - A Tribute to Wayne Shorter last night. Looks like this is going to be a monthly series and I for one am very excited. Located in the basement of the Student Center at Loyola University.
Last nights offerings were wonderful. No smoke filled Dragon's Den, this was a crisp coffee bar atmosphere with excellent acoustics. Tony Dagradi of Astral Project took off on tenor with Irvin Mayfield swamping blows on trumpet. Johnny V (Vidacovich) also of A. Project filled in on the drum kit making more of two rides, high hat, snare and bass than one has a right to with amazing offbeat ramblings. Highlights included Miles classics Wayne penned for the 60's quintet Nerfertiti, ESP. JuJu from Wayne's Blue Note days was also a classic. THe sound was presented with a few monitors to bring in the electric piano and boost the stand up bass, but the horns, though miked retained their incredible huge live dynamics. From two tables back it was real sonic nirvana. Reminded me of the Phil Woods sax solo on the remasters Katy album - it's just huge on a system that can deliver it.
INteresting crowd, students, jazz hounds and a few older beatniks thrown in. anyway upcoming months feature many musicians and include tributes to Billie H., Mingus, McCoy Tyner and Ornette Coleman. I know where I'll be spending some of my Thursdays
congrats go to LoveBob and Company for Steely Damned's making the Hot Picks of the Week in today's Lagniappe music section. Quite a feat as was a Tips gig, as this town doesn't know the concept of tribute band.See you soon W1P and Jim# don't fret, there's always next Jazzfest
toodles of topsoil and back to workwormy
Sorry, didn't read further down first, but-St.Al also AMEN on Phish - amazing live and esp. with the spoofing and goofing and searing Trey guitar work and agree on Sir Zappa too.
Phish shows will be sorely missed in an already bleak rock touring scene.
Goin' to Montana, yippee ay o'caye(sp??) !!!!!!!
Q
Amen, on the "www.madblast.com" suggestion by Stranger!Anyone seen the "Taliban Olympics" video?
too much.
... free damn t-shirts the man is giving away to restore the lost posts, so HOW can someone infer he's squelching opinion ? st. al suppressing thought ? that is RICH. yeah."smoother'n snuff and not half as dusty". does bear repeating don't it brother jim#. but somehow, in terms of round the world or even the country, i would certainly be deafened by the sound of "WwhHAA ?" and i do realize that.
at the risk of beating a dead ben, mu with each post about bf you seem to FURTHER distance from and dismiss his earlier albums. now i get the sparer arrangement style part (which for me was not a critical element and i even liked some of the earlier spector-esque quality) but from a purely songwriting and performance perspective i just don't get that. i've heard the new one a couple of times and love it, but i don't see the olympian leap from the earlier work...
duncan brings up andrew gold. that's why i love this place. wormy's talking wayne shorter and duncan drops andrew gold. the "all this and heaven too" album was his masterpiece i think. he's STILL great. relish you say, duncan ? if it compares to andrew gold then i'm checkin' it out. thanks, man.
yeah lp lol there with larry going mad dogmatic on that "christmas at my house". he let his WIFE sing on it and she has a well... pleasant, nice voice. a little TOO much so, like maybe those solos she does in church should about do it. of course larry sifts in some nice playing with all that shredded monterey jack so it's not a total loss. there are times though, where you're sure there was a 700 club appearance tied to this release...
HEY BEEMER!2 DOWN 2 TO GO!
THE YAAAAANKEES WIN!
http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_bin.swf
St. Al: Agree on the Phish assessment. They are cute and all, but deep, they are not. Sorry they broke up though.If I posted this here, sorry for the replay. I was listening to the Aja song on the Berklee tribute. I really dig the vibes and the vibe player.
I was listening to Donald Fagen Words and Music the other day and finally noticed that he comments that the character in the Nightfly is the same one in Kama, just several years down the road. Now, I know the 2 solo albums are semi autobiographical, but I never put the 2 men together as the same one. Somehow, Lester the Nightfly doesn't seem to jive with the character getting happy feet in Teahouse on the Tracks. I can see him as the one in On the Dunes, though. Interesting.
After that Blog article appeared, I have found the Wil Weaton site that was highlighted and have spent some time crusiing around it. Minus the Blog itself, that did not impress me, I really was enjoying reading his different catagories, like FAQ's as to why he left Star Trek, etc. An interesting and creative man, who set up the website himself. Taught himself the HTML code, too. Not bad for an actor.
Hmmmmmm,
Its mighty quiet in seattle after all the boasting during the
regular season.
Mu: DOn't even bother man.Randy: I am a HUGE Phish fan, however, I can dig your analysis of the tight musicianship with out a ton of substance. I've always had a bit of difficulty with their nonsensical lyrics. A good friend of mine who's an even bigger Phan thinks I'm nuts. He thinks they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. However, they are truly great musicians and are simply a gassss to see live. I love bands that goof. Probably my favorite thing about Zappa was the humor. Same goes with Phish, however they lack the clever genius which Zappa was.
I've heard the Oysterhead album and again I agree. It's just that Copeland is one of my all-time favorite drummers. Claypol is a monster and, well, Trey is (see above)...
Speaking of NYBill. Am I the last person around these parts to notice new stuff. Have ya'all seen negativegirl's most excellent website? Funny stuff... http://www.cockery.com
OMIO--what up, cool breeze? great to see you again.NMN--I'll get you details asap. You WON'T be sorry.
anon - you crack me up. One whose only purpose in life is to commit cowardly vitual lame attempts at terror attempts to lecture us in the least effective manner about cowardice and art. Why do I have this image of you and Hastert and Osama huddling in some bunker somewhere?
and don't say that folds sounds like todd, either. Todd is just fucking amazing. folds is amazingly just fuck.
I thought *I* was the only one who changed NYBozo's name to a tasty play on words? It's okay, I encourage group participation.
Duane Allman, a great guitarist improviser, told an interviewer once that he spent something like two years listening to nothing but Miles Davis' Kind of Blue.
heading out tonight to catch a Wayne Shorter tribute by Toni Degradi the saxaphone player for Astral Project a world reknown New Orleans Jazz fusion project. Joining him is an allstar combo including Irvin Mayfield (Los Hombres Calientes) on trumpet...expecting to hear alot of Miles and Weather Report
I'll fall out of my easy chair if they play Ajatoodles from the topsoil
Tom
St. Al - Thanks for the note... Heard the Oysterhead album... Quirky, interesting stuff... I was surprised so many people were taken aback early on at the advent of having Les Claypool working with Stewart Copeland when Primus' drummer was always Copeland fanatic anyway...Not really much of a Phish fan (solid musicianship/little substance) but I still thought that Oysterhead was/is an engaging project for each of them. Regardless, I probably won't buy it, but I like what they're doing.
I was a considerable fan of The Police but I pay minimal attention to what Sting and Stewart do these days. Sting gets ample press for his jazz influenced excursions but Andy Summers was always the player with more "credible" jazz leanings. As far back as 1978 he listed only jazz (guitar) players as influences: John Abercrombie, Barney Kessel, Kenny Burrell, John Scofield, Wes Montgomery.
Summers' work has been far more adventurous and groundbreaking than Sting's (not that comparisons are necessary), but at the same time Steely Dan (and Joni Mitchell, among others) brought the concept of having jazz players play music that was categorically a balanced aggregate between rock and jazz to light long before Der Stingle, anyway-
"Bodacious cowboys / such as your friend / will never be welcomed here..."
- Steely Dan, 'Gaucho'Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
Dear Doctor,
This is a news story because of the fact that earlier unmanned planes did not carry missiles on reconnaissance trips. In fact, this is one of the very first insights into the war of the future which might not involved human beings in the field anymore. You will agree that the use of such weapons may not be called an act of bravery per se and regardless of comparisons drawn to suicide missions by the enemy.
Regards,
blank
Ben folds sounds like Dean FriedmanThere it's only taken me a week to get that of my chest
db
Maury Povich?
But what's wrong with a little bondage now and then?What happened? Did you fall asleep to your collection of Richard Simmons videos?
I said: "Where do I rate the Ben Folds new one? - close to Can't Buy a Thrill, but well behind Katy to Gaucho and TvN. It's like comparing apples and oranges certainly"Sick (aptly named) said: "and how close he *sounds* to Can't Buy A Thrill, and gee, if he tries hard enough next time, maybe he can reach Countdown To Ecstasy"
A. The album does not have a close resmblance in musical structure to Steely Dan (sounds more like Todd R or some of Randy Newman), IMO RTS (the album) is of a quality that approaches the early work SD - maybe not as consistent. I would argue that the track "Ascent of Stan" easily holds it's own against most Dan or Beatles or Beach Boys (at their peak) recordings.
B. I don't have to visit the Ben site - you've spewed out the same verbal aptitute as the teens on that site or on sites of bands that the RTS lampoons.
C. Everyone is entitled to love or hate any artist. If my enthusiasm reflects a paucity of real talent in pop music over the last 20 years, then so be it
Wash. Post Story - that's about a month late. There are engineering and tactical reasons for use of spy satellites and drones. Don't see them slamming into mosques on purpose...hmmmmm? Why don't we shut them all down and make giant target banners on Federal Buildings, skyscrapers, and football and baseball stadia.
Jim# very disappointed to hear that you wont be making it to NO.How anyone can accuse St Al of deleting posts his dislikes is beyond me. Several folks have advocated that the GB be moderated but St Al stuck to his principles. So the free speech for some truly incredible stupid and/or mean spirited posts in this space has driven many good people away. Nevertheless, I agree with St Al's policy and hope that, in this marketplace of ideas, good will triumph over evil.
Dave Matthews ROCKSBen Folds ROCKS
So Sick/Right don't rock. They BLOW.
Randy: Speaking of former Police alum. This weekend kicks of the new Oysterhead tour here in Seattle. Can hardly wait. I passed up the REM/Pearl Jam show for this one. Check out http://www.oysterhead.com. I sure hope they live up to the hype.
StAl
The opposite of cowardice?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011018/aponline121752_000.htm
So Sick- You nailed St.Al. He thinks he's slick when he tells everyone his computer crashes for the sole purpose of getting rid of posts he doesn't like. I also agree with you about Ben Folds. As far as St.Al loving him...what do you expect from someone who thinks Dave Mathews is God.
Thats what i meant !!Just a little test well done
speling arrors.geez, how can i fase all the great peeple of this wongderful plase because I didnt rereed my text before i postd? such is my dillemma.
it's been blowing UP my ass for so long, I'm afraid I can't blow anything out anymore. But, thanks for the advice there, st.al. always nice to hear from you.ben folds still sucks, though. and I'm gonna tell it to the mountain. cause, aint that what you sid yourself, st.al? that this forumn to open to everyone's opinion? so, therefore, I should be able to express my antipathy for the album as much as moo moo is able to express his undying love on his first boy crush.
so, if you don't like it, you, too, can blow it out your ass. or, you can always delete all negative references, and just say that the system crashed again. that would make for a real open forumn.
PS. I dig Ben Folds new one. So sick -- blow it out your ass.
Looks like Starbucks will be offering the upcoming release of On The Mountain on their website. This is the one with the RLJ cover of Show Biz Kids. http://www.starbucks.comDuncan: FMJ = Stanley Kubrick. Platoon = Oliver Stone
StAl
Hey Mu,Go to the fucking Ben Folds web site, for godssake! It's one thing to occassionally mention another artist on this board, but you've really overstayed your welcome with this clown. He doesn't deserve comparison to Steely Dan. Never. Not even close. Not even their lesser songs. No. Sorry. Get over it. We don't want to read it anymore. Go to another website and post your shit there. Go find Ben, and then while you're blowing him, you can mumble about how great he is, and how close he sounds to Can't Buy A Thrill, and gee, if he tries hard enough next time, maybe he can reach Countdown To Ecstasy. Then swallow and rub your tummy and smile about how enriched your life is now that you've got the semen in your stomach of the GOD who wrote Reinhold Messner.
But do us all a favor, when it's over, keep it to yourself. Don't spit it back on the screen.
And get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Y'all...,Well of course the Yankees won last night and Mr.Bill was
feelin' just fine... Went to chat, spoke to a few of the
Dan faithful and everything was just great. I woke up this
morning with the T.V. still on (I do that alot...).Anyway, what do you think I awoke to? I'll give you a hint,
it was DOWNRIGHT FRIGHTENING. It made me squeeze my stuffed
dinosaur real, real tight! Worst of all it made me scared to
leave my house and go to Home Depot (which is sort of like a
second home to me now...) It changed my entire perspective on
the world around me...You're probably thinking that it had something to do with the
Anthrax thing, or the Taliban, or the Smallpox threat, or
the possibility of Nuclear war... right? Nope!It was......THE MAURY POVICH SHOW!
I mean if you really want to be scared of the world around you;
If you want to be motivated to run to the hardware store and
buy every last bulletproof door lock in the place; If you
want to develop a severe, life-altering case of agoraphobia;
just watch an episode of The Maury Povich show...The guests on The Maury Povich Show make the middle-eastern
terrorists look like Mr.Rogers. They are downright scary!
From pre-teenage girls with four kids from different fathers,
to three brothers fighting over who's going to sleep with
momma next, to Sado-Masochistic Bondage maniacs who also
happen to be running for office, this show has managed to
package up some of the most psychotic people in all of
human history and spill them right into your living room...
at 9am!!Do these people really exist in real life? If so, I'd say that
we have a bit more to worry about than Afghanistan right now...NYBill
SLIGHTLY more in line with what one would THINK would be a better correlation to fans of Steely Dan (though apparently not), Capitol Records recently remastered and reissued "The Cannonball Adderley Quintet - At The Lighthouse," a great live album which includes stellar piano work from Steely Dan alumni Victor Feldman. (May not be suitable for listeners unfamiliar with harmonically advanced improvisational musical approaches)."Drink your big black cow and get out of here..."
- Steely Dan, 'Black Cow'Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
"And el Hage gave bin Laden's satellite phone number -- 873 682 505 331 -- to Fazul in another wiretapped call."
B Lee: Glad you enjoyed it. I did too - his piano was effortless. I do prefer the album version, and other songs show off his chops better. I haven't heard an entire set live though - I'd like to. However, my concern is that he's surrounded himself with a backup band that won't challenge him. I think that Ben Folds is proving to be a late maturer in the studio. His new one does show promise, not only as a songwriter and a chops-man, but a musician...and the new one reveals itself more with continued listens - that's the kicker IMHO.Perspective - to quote Tom Lehrer: "It's a sobering thought, for example, that when Mozart was my age...he had been *dead* 3 years!"
When Donald Fagen was Ben Folds' age he had already made the first 7 Steely Dan albums, The Nightfly and had been in the grips of Depression for 1 year.
Where do I rate the Ben Folds new one? - close to Can't Buy a Thrill, but well behind Katy to Gaucho and TvN. It's like comparing apples and oranges certainly - but in terms of complexity and songwriting strength that's where I see it. The BB5 stuff is more fun and more likable (the song Boxing is worth the price of admission) than Becker and Fagen The Early Years - but that's not saying much - except for Don't Let Me In and Come Back Baby - but then they were, what, 20 years old and Ben Folds close to 30? Bottom line: have you heard the rest of the garbage out there?
Baseball grapefruit wine: Do we really have to offer the Braves as a potential sacrificial lamb to the Yankees (forget it Seattle)? forchrissakes - the CUBS had the same record! If that's what Allah wants...
Clas: Thank you for another installment of RadioIslam. Hey, did you ever see a URL site before with Farrakhan and Hitler and David Duke lauded in unison - "the trifecta???" Blame your friend Clinton (January last year - that would be 2000) - he bombed Iraq indiscriminantly every day for 8 years - then wussed out on the inspection teams...
"Attention Taliban! You are condemned. Did you know that? The instant the terrorists you support took over our planes, you sentenced yourselves to death (though you might like that). The Armed Forces of the United States are here to seek justice for our dead. Highly trained soldiers are coming to shut down once and for all Osama bin Laden's ring of terrorism, and the Taliban that supports them and their actions (if we ever find them)."Our forces are armed with state of the art military equipment. What are you using, obsolete and ineffective weaponry? Our helicopters will rain fire down upon your camps before you detect them on your radar. Our bombs are so accurate we can drop them right through your windows (when we don't miss by a mile). Our infantry is trained for any climate and terrain on earth (but it is getting cold out here). United States soldiers fire with superior marksmanship and are armed with superior weapons (and besides, my dad's dick is twice the size of yours, buddie).
"You have only one choice ... Surrender now and we will give you a second chance. We will let you live (bummer). If you surrender no harm will come to you. When you decide to surrender, approach United States forces with your hands in the air (like you just don't ca-are"). Sling your weapon across your back muzzle towards the ground. Remove your magazine and expel any rounds (be done with that Penthouse already, pervert). Doing this is your only chance of survival."
steviedan - yes on the professional worm hole of making that christmas album - my favorite "what the hell was he thinking" is Larry Carlton's, makes my living room feel strangely like an elevator - even the cover art is campy, and not good campy, camp-campy, ya know?and clas - wtf - didn't you listen to anything i said the other night? stop!
okay, off, gotta run
aus - yes, i lost your number - yes, let's all meet december 8th for dinner - yes, the yankees irritate me, but it's out of jealousy more than anything else, that "in your face" part of ny is not the part i missnmn - who loves ya, baby?
dig this people: i've been asked to be on a governor's task force to evaluate how we can make the laws provide less barriers for development in the great commonwealth and i've also been asked to be on House/Senate task force looking at ways to change the laws to help the community control growth - LOL - now HOW is THAT gonna work for me? - god, i love planning, what a damn hoot
off to save the world from........well.....dogs, iguess - giggle giggle
µ said -Run for your lives! Ben Folds on Leno.Thanks for the warning buddy. Got my legs on my back.
---
Hi Schwinn and Luckless Ped! And hi Shari and hi RubyBabys answering machine.
---
Todays John Pilger:
SQUEEZED TO DEATH
Saturday March 4, 2000
Wherever you go in Iraq's southern city of Basra, there is dust. It gets in your eyes and nose and throat. It swirls in school playgrounds and consumes children kicking a plastic ball. "It carries death," said Dr Jawad Al-Ali, a cancer specialist and member of Britain's Royal College of Physicians. "Our own studies indicate that more than 40 per cent of the population in this area will get cancer: in five years' time to begin with, then long afterwards. Most of my own family now have cancer, and we have no history of the disease. It has spread to the medical staff of this hospital. We don't know the precise source of the contamination, because we are not allowed to get the equipment to conduct a proper scientific survey, or even to test the excess level of radiation in our bodies. We suspect depleted uranium, which was used by the Americans and British in the Gulf War right across the southern battlefields."
Under economic sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council almost 10 years ago, Iraq is denied equipment and expertise to clean up its contaminated battle-fields, as Kuwait was cleaned up. At the same time, the Sanctions Committee in New York, dominated by the Americans and British, has blocked or delayed a range of vital equipment, chemotherapy drugs and even pain-killers. "For us doctors," said Dr Al-Ali, "it is like torture. We see children die from the kind of cancers from which, given the right treatment, there is a good recovery rate." Three children died while I was there.
Six other children died not far away on January 25, last year. An American missile hit Al Jumohria, a street in a poor residential area. Sixty-three people were injured, a number of them badly burned. "Collateral damage," said the Department of Defence in Washington. Britain and the United States are still bombing Iraq almost every day: it is the longest Anglo-American bombing campaign since the second world war, yet, with honourable exceptions, very little appears about it in the British media. Conducted under the cover of "no fly zones", which have no basis in international law, the aircraft, according to Tony Blair, are "performing vital humanitarian tasks". The ministry of defence in London has a line about "taking robust action to protect pilots" from Iraqi attacks - yet an internal UN Security Sector report says that, in one five-month period, 41 per cent of the victims were civilians in civilian targets: villages, fishing jetties, farmland and vast, treeless valleys where sheep graze. A shepherd, his father, his four children and his sheep were killed by a British or American aircraft, which made two passes at them. I stood in the cemetery where the children are buried and their mother shouted, "I want to speak to the pilot who did this."
This is a war against the children of Iraq on two fronts: bombing, which in the last year cost the British taxpayer £60 million. And the most ruthless embargo in modern history. According to Unicef, the United Nations Children's Fund, the death rate of children under five is more than 4,000 a month - that is 4,000 more than would have died before sanctions. That is half a million children dead in eight years. If this statistic is difficult to grasp, consider, on the day you read this, up to 200 Iraqi children may die needlessly. "Even if not all the suffering in Iraq can be imputed to external factors," says Unicef, "the Iraqi people would not be undergoing such deprivation in the absence of the prolonged measures imposed by the Security Council and the effects of war."
Through the glass doors of the Unicef offices in Baghdad, you can read the following mission statement: "Above all, survival, hope, development, respect, dignity, equality and justice for women and children." A black sense of irony will be useful if you are a young Iraqi. As it is, the children hawking in the street outside, with their pencil limbs and eyes too big for their long thin faces, cannot read English, and perhaps cannot read at all.
"The change in 10 years is unparalleled, in my experience," Anupama Rao Singh, Unicef's senior representative in Iraq, told me. "In 1989, the literacy rate was 95%; and 93% of the population had free access to modern health facilities. Parents were fined for failing to send their children to school. The phenomenon of street children or children begging was unheard of. Iraq had reached a stage where the basic indicators we use to measure the overall well-being of human beings, including children, were some of the best in the world. Now it is among the bottom 20%. In 10 years, child mortality has gone from one of the lowest in the world, to the highest."
Anupama Rao Singh, originally a teacher in India, has spent most of her working life with Unicef. Helping children is her vocation, but now, in charge of a humanitarian programme that can never succeed, she says, "I am grieving." She took me to a typical primary school in Saddam City, where Baghdad's poorest live. We approached along a flooded street: the city's drainage and water distribution system have collapsed. The head, Ali Hassoon, wore the melancholia that marks Iraqi teachers and doctors and other carers: those who know they can do little "until you, in the outside world, decide". Guiding us around the puddles of raw sewage in the playground, he pointed to the high water mark on a wall. "In the winter it comes up to here. That's when we evacuate. We stay as long as possible, but without desks, the children have to sit on bricks. I am worried about the buildings coming down."
The school is on the edge of a vast industrial cemetery. The pumps in the sewage treatment plants and the reservoirs of water are silent, save for a few wheezing at a fraction of their capacity. Many were targets in the American-led blitz in January 1991; most have since disintegrated without spare parts from their British, French and German builders. These are mostly delayed by the Security Council's Sanctions Committee; the term used is "placed on hold". Ten years ago, 92% of the population had safe water, according to Unicef. Today, drawn untreated from the Tigris, it is lethal. Touching two brothers on the head, the head said, "These children are recovering from dysentery, but it will attack them again, and again, until they are too weak." Chlorine, that universal guardian of safe water, has been blocked by the Sanctions Committee. In 1990, an Iraqi infant with dysentery stood a one in 600 chance of dying. This is now one in 50.
Just before Christmas, the department of trade and industry in London blocked a shipment of vaccines meant to protect Iraqi children against diphtheria and yellow fever. Dr Kim Howells told parliament why. His title of under secretary of state for competition and consumer affairs, eminently suited his Orwellian reply. The children's vaccines were banned, he said, "because they are capable of being used in weapons of mass destruction". That his finger was on the trigger of a proven weapon of mass destruction - sanctions - seemed not to occur to him. A courtly, eloquent Irishman, Denis Halliday resigned as co-ordinator of humanitarian relief to Iraq in 1998, after 34 years with the UN; he was then Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations, one of the elite of senior officials. He had made his career in development, "attempting to help people, not harm them". His was the first public expression of an unprecedented rebellion within the UN bureaucracy. "I am resigning," he wrote, "because the policy of economic sanctions is totally bankrupt. We are in the process of destroying an entire society. It is as simple and terrifying as that . . . Five thousand children are dying every month . . . I don't want to administer a programme that results in figures like these."
When I first met Halliday, I was struck by the care with which he chose uncompromising words. "I had been instructed," he said, "to implement a policy that satisfies the definition of genocide: a deliberate policy that has effectively killed well over a million individuals, children and adults. We all know that the regime, Saddam Hussein, is not paying the price for economic sanctions; on the contrary, he has been strengthened by them. It is the little people who are losing their children or their parents for lack of untreated water. What is clear is that the Security Council is now out of control, for its actions here undermine its own Charter, and the Declaration of Human Rights and the Geneva Convention. History will slaughter those responsible."
Inside the UN, Halliday broke a long collective silence. Then on February 13 this year, Hans von Sponeck, who had succeeded him as humanitarian co-ordinator in Iraq, resigned. "How long," he asked, "should the civilian population of Iraq be exposed to such punishment for something they have never done?" Two days later, Jutta Burghardt, head of the World Food Programme in Iraq, resigned, saying privately she, too, could not tolerate what was being done to the Iraqi people. Another resignation is expected.
When I met von Sponeck in Baghdad last October, the anger building behind his measured, self-effacing exterior was evident. Like Halliday before him, his job was to administer the Oil for Food Programme, which since 1996 has allowed Iraq to sell a fraction of its oil for money that goes straight to the Security Council. Almost a third pays the UN's "expenses", reparations to Kuwait and compensation claims. Iraq then tenders on the international market for food and medical supplies and other humanitarian supplies. Every contract must be approved by the Sanctions Committee in New York. "What it comes down to," he said, "is that we can spend only $180 per person over six months. It is a pitiful picture. Whatever the arguments about Iraq, they should not be conducted on the backs of the civilian population."
Denis Halliday and I travelled to Iraq together. It was his first trip back. Washington and London make much of the influence of Iraqi propaganda when their own, unchallenged, is by far the most potent. With this in mind, I wanted an independent assessment from some of the 550 UN people, who are Iraq's lifeline. Among them, Halliday and von Sponeck are heroes. I have reported the UN at work in many countries; I have never known such dissent and anger, directed at the manipulation of the Security Council, and the corruption of what some of them still refer to as the UN "ideal".
Our journey from Amman in Jordan took 16 anxious hours on the road. This is the only authorised way in and out of Iraq: a ribbon of wrecked cars and burnt-out oil tankers. Baghdad was just visible beneath a white pall of pollution, largely the consequence of the US Air Force strategy of targeting the industrial infrastructure in January 1991. Young arms reached up to the window of our van: a boy offering an over-ripe banana, a girl a single stem flower. Before 1990, such a scene was rare and frowned upon.
Baghdad is an urban version of Rachel Carson's Silent Spring. The birds have gone as avenues of palms have died, and this was the land of dates. The splashes of
colour, on fruit stalls, are surreal. A bunch of Dole bananas and a bag of apples from Beirut cost a teacher's salary for a month; only foreigners and the rich eat fruit. A currency that once was worth two dollars to the dinar is now worthless. The rich, the black marketeers, the regime's cronies and favourites, are not visible, except for an occasional tinted-glass late-model Mercedes navigating its way through the rustbuckets. Having been ordered to keep their heads down, they keep to their network of clubs and restaurants and well-stocked clinics, which make nonsense of the propaganda that the sanctions are hurting them, not ordinary Iraqis.
In the centre of Baghdad is a monument to the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, which Saddam Hussein started, with encouragement from the Americans, who wanted him to destroy their great foe, the Ayatollah Khomeini. When it was over, at least a million lives had been lost in the cause of nothing, fuelled by the arms industries of Britain and the rest of Europe, the Soviet Union and the United States: the
principal members of the Security Council. The monument's two huge forearms, modelled on Saddam's
arms (and cast in Basingstoke), hold triumphant crossed sabres. Cars are allowed to drive over the helmets of dead Iranian soldiers embedded in the concourse. I cannot think of a sight anywhere in the world that better expresses the crime of sacrificial war.
We stayed at the Hotel Palestine, once claiming five stars. The smell of petrol was constant. As disinfectant is often"on hold", petrol, more plentiful than water, has replaced it. There is an Iraqi Airways office, which is open every day, with an employee sitting behind a desk, smiling and saying
good morning to passing guests. She has no clients, because there is no Iraqi Airways - it died with sanctions. The pilots drive taxis and sweep the forecourt and sell used clothes. In my room, the water ran gravy brown. The one frayed towel was borne by the maid like an heirloom. When I asked for coffee to be brought up, the waiter hovered outside until I was finished; cups are at a premium. His young face was streaked with sadness. "I am always sad," he agreed matter-of-factly. In a month, he will have earned enough to buy tablets for his brother's epilepsy.
The same sadness is on the faces of people in the evening auctions, where intimate possessions are sold for food and medicines. Television sets are the most common items; a woman with two toddlers watched their pushchairs go for pennies. A man who had collected doves since he was 15 came with his last bird; the cage would go next. Although we had come to pry, my film crew and I were made
welcome. Only once, was I the brunt of the hurt that is almost tangible in a society more westernised than any other Arab country. "Why are you killing the children?" shouted a man from behind his bookstall. "Why are you bombing us? What have we done to you?" Passers-by moved quickly to calm him; one man placed an affectionate arm on his shoulder, another, a teacher, materialised at my
side. "We do not connect the people of Britain with the actions of the government," he said. Laith Kubba, a leading member of the exiled Iraqi opposition, later told me in Washington, "The Iraqi people and Saddam Hussein are not the same, which is why those of us who have dedicated our lives to fighting him, regard the sanctions as immoral."
In an Edwardian colonnade of Doric and Corinthian columns, people come to sell their books, not as in a flea market, but out of desperate need. Art books, leather bound in Baghdad in the 30s, obstetrics and radiology texts, copies of British Medical Journals, first and second editions of Waiting For Godot, The Sun Also Rises and, no less, British Housing Policy 1958 were on sale for the price of a few cigarettes. A man in a clipped grey moustache, an Iraqi Bertie Wooster, said, "I need to go south to see my sister, who is ill. Please be kind and give me 25 dinars." (About a penny). He took it, nodded and walked smartly away.
Mohamed Ghani's studio is dominated by a huge crucifix he is sculpting for the Church of Assumption in Baghdad. As Iraq's most famous sculptor, he is proud that the Vatican has commissioned him, a Muslim, to sculpt the Stations of the Cross in Rome - a romantic metaphor of his country as Mesopotamia, the "cradle of Western civilisation". His latest work is a 20-foot figure of a woman,
her child gripping her legs, pleading for food. "Every morning, I see her," he said, "waiting, with others just like her, in a long line at the hospital at the end of my road. They are what we have been forced to become." He has produced a line of figurines that depict their waiting; all the heads are bowed before a door that is permanently closed. "The door is the dispensary," he said, "but it is also the world, kept shut by those who run the world." The next day, I saw a similar line of women and children, and fathers and children, in the cancer ward at the Al Mansour children's hospital. It is not unlike St Thomas's in London. Drugs arrived, they said, but intermittently, so that children with leukaemia, who can be saved with a full course of three anti-biotics, pass a point beyond which they cannot be saved, because one is missing. Children with meningitis can also survive with the precise dosage of antibiotics; here they die. "Four milligrams save a life," said Dr Mohamed Mahmud, "but so often we are allowed no more than one milligram." This is a teaching hospital, yet children die because there are no blood-collecting bags and no machines that separate blood platelets: basic equipment in any British hospital. Replacements and spare parts have been "on hold" in New York, together with incubators, X-ray machines, and heart and lung machines.
I sat in a clinic as doctors received parents and their children, some of them dying. After every other
examination, Dr Lekaa Fasseh Ozeer, the oncologist, wrote in English: "No drugs available." I asked her to jot down in my notebook a list of the drugs the hospital had ordered, but rarely saw. In London, I showed this to Professor Karol Sikora who, as chief of the cancer programme of the World Health Organisation (WHO), wrote in the British Medical Journal last year: "Requested radiotherapy equipment, chemotherapy drugs and analgesics are consistently blocked by United States and British advisers [to the Sanctions Committee in New York]. There seems to be a rather ludicrous notion that such agents could be converted into chemical or other weapons."
He told me, "Nearly all these drugs are available in every British hospital. They're very standard. When I came back from Iraq last year, with a group of experts I drew up a list of 17 drugs that are deemed essential for cancer treatment. We informed the UN that there was no possibility of converting these drugs into chemical warfare agents. We heard nothing more. The saddest thing I saw in Iraq was children dying because there was no chemotherapy and no pain control. It seemed crazy they couldn't have morphine, because for everybody with cancer pain, it is the best drug. When I was there, they had a little bottle of aspirin pills to go round 200 patients in pain. They would receive a particular anti-cancer drug, but then get only little bits of drugs here and there, and so you can't have any planning. It is bizarre."
In January, last year, George Robertson, then defence secretary, said, "Saddam Hussein has in warehouses $275 million worth of medicines and medical supplies which he refuses to distribute." The British government knew this was false, because UN humanitarian officials had made clear the problem of drugs and equipment coming sporadically into Iraq - such as machines without a crucial
part, IV fluids and syringes arriving separately - as well as the difficulties of transport and the need for a substantial buffer stock. "The goods that come into this country are distributed to where they belong," said Hans von Sponeck. "Our most recent stock analysis shows that 88.8% of all humanitarian supplies have been distributed." The representatives of Unicef, the World Food Programme and the Food and Agricultural Organisation confirmed this. If Saddam Hussein believed he could draw an advantage
from obstructing humanitarian aid, he would no doubt do so. However, according to a FAO study: "The government of Iraq introduced a public food rationing system with effect from within a month of the imposition of the embargo. It provides basic foods at 1990 prices, which means they are now virtually free. This has a life-saving nutritional benefit . . . and has prevented catastrophe for the Iraqi people."
The rebellion in the UN reaches up to Kofi Annan, once thought to be the most compliant of secretary-generals. Appointed after Madeleine Albright, then the US representative at the UN, had waged a campaign to get rid of his predecessor, Boutros-Boutros Ghali, he pointedly renewed Hans von Sponeck's contract in the face of a similar campaign by the Americans. He shocked them last
October when he accused the US of "using its muscle on the Sanctions Committee to put indefinite 'holds' on more than $700 million worth of humanitarian goods that Iraq would like to buy." When I met Kofi Annan, I asked if sanctions had all but destroyed the credibility of the UN as a benign body. "Please don't judge us by Iraq," he said.
On January 7, the UN's Office of Iraq Programme reported that shipments valued at almost a billion and a half dollars were "on hold". They covered food, health, water and sanitation, agriculture, education. On February 7, its executive director attacked the Security Council for holding up spares for Iraq's crumbling oil industry. "We would appeal to all members of the Security Council," he wrote,
"to reflect on the argument that unless key items of oil industry are made available within a short time, the production of oil will drop . . . This is a clear warning." In other words, the less oil Iraq is allowed to pump, the less money will be available to buy food and medicine. According to the Iraqis at the UN, it was US representative on the Sanctions Committee who vetoed shipments the Security Council had authorised. Last year, a senior US official told the Washington Post, "The longer we can fool around in the [Security] Council and keep things static, the better." There is a pettiness in sanctions that borders on vindictiveness. In Britain, Customs and Excise stops parcels going to relatives, containing children's clothes and toys. Last year, the chairman of the British Library, John Ashworth, wrote to Harry Cohen MP that, "after consultation with the foreign office", it was decided that books could no longer be sent to Iraqi students.
In Washington, I interviewed James Rubin, an under secretary of state who speaks for Madeleine Albright. When asked on US television if she thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children was a price worth paying, Albright replied: "This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it." When I questioned Rubin about this, he claimed Albright's words were taken out of context. He then questioned the "methodology" of a report by the UN's World Health Organisation, which had estimated half a million deaths. Advising me against being "too idealistic", he said: "In making policy, one has to choose between two bad choices . . . and unfortunately the effect of sanctions has been more than we would have hoped." He referred me to the "real world" where "real choices have to be made". In mitigation, he said, "Our sense is that prior to sanctions, there was serious poverty and health problems
in Iraq." The opposite was true, as Unicef's data on Iraq before 1990, makes clear.
The irony is that the US helped bring Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq, and that the US (and Britain) in the 1980s conspired to break their own laws in order, in the words of a Congressional inquiry, to "secretly court Saddam Hussein with reckless abandon", giving him almost everything he wanted, including the means of making biological weapons. Rubin failed to see the irony in the US
supplying Saddam with seed stock for anthrax and botulism, that he could use in weapons, and claimed that the Maryland company responsible was prosecuted. It was not: the company was given Commerce Department approval.
Denial is easy, for Iraqis are a nation of unpeople in the West, their panoramic suffering of minimal media interest; and when they are news, care is always taken to minimise Western culpability. I can think of no other human rights issue about which the governments have been allowed to sustain such deception and tell so many bare-faced lies. Western governments have had a gift in the "butcher of
Baghdad", who can be safely blamed for everything. Unlike the be-headers of Saudi Arabia, the torturers of Turkey and the prince of mass murderers, Suharto, only Saddam Hussein is so loathsome that his captive population can be punished for his crimes. British obsequiousness to Washington's designs over Iraq has a certain craven quality, as the Blair government pursues what Simon Jenkins calls a "low-cost, low-risk machismo, doing something relatively easy, but obscenely cruel". The
statements of Tony Blair and Robin Cook and assorted sidekick ministers would, in other circumstances, be laughable. Cook: "We must nail the absurd claim that sanctions are responsible for the suffering of the Iraqi people", Cook: "We must uphold the sanctity of international law and the United Nations . . ." ad nauseam. The British boast about their "initiative" in promoting the latest Security Council resolution, which merely offers the prospect of more Kafkaesque semantics and prevarication in the guise of a "solution" and changes nothing.
What are sanctions for? Eradicating Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, says the Security Council resolution. Scott Ritter, a chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq for five years, told me: "By 1998, the chemical weapons infrastructure had been completely dismantled or destroyed by UNSCOM (the UN inspections body) or by Iraq in compliance with our mandate. The biological weapons programme was gone, all the major facilities eliminated. The nuclear weapons programme was completely eliminated. The long range ballistic missile programme was completely eliminated. If I had to quantify Iraq's threat, I would say [it is] zero." Ritter resigned in protest at US interference; he and his American colleagues were expelled when American spy equipment was found by the Iraqis. To counter the risk of Iraq reconstituting its arsenal, he says the weapons inspectors should go back to Iraq after the immediate lifting of all non-military sanctions; the inspectors of the international Atomic Energy Agency are already back. At the very least, the two issues of sanctions and weapons inspection should be entirely separate. Madeleine Albright has said: "We do not agree that if Iraq complies with its obligations concerning weapons of mass destruction, sanctions should be lifted." If this means that Saddam Hussein is the target, then the embargo will go on indefinitely, holding Iraqis hostage to
their tyrant's compliance with his own demise. Or is there another agenda? In January 1991, the Americans had an opportunity to press on to Baghdad and remove Saddam, but pointedly stopped short. A few weeks later, they not only failed to support the Kurdish and Shi'a uprising, which
President Bush had called for, but even prevented the rebelling troops in the south from reaching captured arms depots and allowed Saddam Hussein's helicopters to slaughter them while US aircraft circled overhead. At they same time, Washington refused to support Iraqi opposition groups and Kurdish claims for independence.
"Containing" Iraq with sanctions destroys Iraq's capacity to threaten US control of the Middle East's oil while allowing Saddam to maintain internal order. As long as he stays within present limits, he is allowed to rule over a crippled nation. "What the West would ideally like," says Said Aburish, the author, "is another Saddam Hussein." Sanctions also justify the huge US military presence in the
Gulf, as Nato expands east, viewing a vast new oil protectorate stretching from Turkey to the Caucasus.
Bombing and sanctions are ideal for policing this new order: a strategy the president of the American Physicians for Human Rights calls "Bomb Now, Die Later". The perpetrators ought not be allowed to get away with this in our name: for the sake of the children of Iraq, and all the Iraqs
C
stevied: smoother'n snuff? lolOle: Yeah, I can appreciate. But you know of the inevitability of this. All those NC and VA crew members will someday unite. Anticipation...
W1P and Bob Tede: Much as I wanted to I won't be enjoying the Nawlins thing with you. The work demands just, well...demand. Will await, albeit with sorrow, the Wormian report. Any chance at all of another east coast gig, ever?
Many thanks to stranger for posting the Oliver Stone stuff.
I've always been a big fan of his since FMJ but was surprised to read what an asshole he ''seems'' to be.
Is this normal behaviour for him, or am I right in being quiet shocked by his comments.I had him in mind for the SD story.
MC nice to see you posting again Linda's doing some painting for school of birds & animals & wondered if you have anymore pics not on your site. ( I hope you don' mind that she borrowed some)
Nice to know that the children of Bishop Auckland may pass their art o level after all courtesy of MC's bird imagesElle: chat's empty when I check also nice to see you here again.
db's single of the week Rainbow Zepher by Relish
Great melodies & chorus very catchy sounds a lot like Andrew Gold / Mike & the MechanicsDano: No Starsailer up here mate what station you listening to.
Sh: the ''funny stuff'' that you keep sending me ?? I'm British & don't get some of it.
Interesting thought posted on Ian McNabbs bulletin board last week
http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=9644799&usernum=3066087775Going out in the rain now catch you all later.
smyle lyle. got ya another nor' car-liner here good buddy and boy i sure am a HUGE sd fan like yerself. but you know whut ? that ben folds is smoother'n snuff and not half as dusty and i sure 'preciate that concert info from mr cruiser and the continuing mujournal. big ten four. whut's yer twenty, lyle ? come back...i understand that when worms encounter very arid climates, sub-topsoiliant depths must be pursued. or perhaps cacti-condo ?
hey b lee stan. are you the inverted d lee stan ? if so, d lee we missed ya. if not... then welcome b lee.
thanx to ed for helping st al restore the weekend's literary offerings. where's your stash... er cache ?
and finally the "steviedan album of the week (TM)":
well i wanted to get victor wooten's new "live in america" so that's next week's sdaow in advance, thus by default this week's honoree is the at least equally worthy mccoy tyner "plays john coltrane live at the village vanguard". just mc t with george mraz on bass and al foster at the wheel. he's done all-coltrane programs before but he can do as many as he likes, as far as i'm concerned.
the mike mcdonald christmas thing is out this week. it will probably be the "steviedan holiday album of the year", but i have minor trepidation and i DON'T KNOW WHY. i'm a little SCARED of this thing because i have SEEN what christmas albums can do to people and sometimes it's not all pretty paper and tinselly, crisp and bright. sometimes it can go all hickory farms on you, as in cheeseball. mikey, i'm countin' on you...
Ben Folds has the perfectly pitched fabulous male alto soprano of paul mccartney, and sting, and an abundance of chops to spare.
In the leno show performance he barely winced 4 bars before the bridge. I like his entertainingly rich songs and will try to go hear him live.Im not ready to overrate the new ben folds. Similar inasmuch i cannot recommend 'second arrangement', because it cannot be accessed/is not a published record. I stayed away from BFF until he dropped the F. BF has not the deft magical touch of WB/DF. He's outnumbered, as are all others who pale by comparison. It simply sounds like BF is influenced by the 'two names' great songwriters of our time elton john, billy joel, paul simon. Not shabby company in the realm which figures WB/DF as the sum of all, end of popular music history. Anyone close?
stevie wonder, i guess.RWHuey reocommends: John Mayer-Room for Square
Interesting song choice: Still Fighting It. A really nice, but not obviously rollicking, ballad about father-son relationships. Beautiful melody. A bit more straight-ahead in sound than most of the other songs, expecially since they cut out, for time purposes, the most subtle 30 sec of the song (my favorite part). Ben, like Fagen's singing can be thin - but they're stylists anyway. Solid, but pedestrian backup band - they're vocals did not blend with Ben's well though. Folds doubles, triples, and quadruples his own voice on the album to good effect...
Run for your lives! Ben Folds on Leno.I expect a rollicking good time...but if you're looking for attention to detail - get the album Rockin' the Suburbs. The focus on engineering and recording structure have payed dividends. I'm hearing more cool little things everday. I'l list a few, but there are hundred more "musical amenities" in this one...and isn't that what the Dan is about aurally? Musical amenities, ideas, and structure?
General:
1. Crescendo and decrescendo. Song and recording are louder and softer when the song calls for it. One example: Carrying Cathy starts soft. A drum roll implies building tension, and volume. The allegorical statement - the title is given emphasis as the song continues to build in volume. A chrous of frustrated and anguished relatives goes soft then louder with building tension. Softer tones as the piano bridges back to the last verse - then crescendos again. Finaly the song fades away as Cathy's life is extinguished and she's laid in the gound. This is something (heresy?) that can be argued as lacking in some Dan recordings, Fagen expecially like to get in groove and stay there
2. The song sets it's own groove and rhythm. Oddles of rhythmic changes of pace. One example: Fred Jones part 2. Starts with an almost classical piano intro which slows dramatically just before the story begins. The story almost stops when the young man hesitently takes the retiring Mr. Jones is told "It's time."
3. Integrative layering of instruments throughout the album. Fred Jones and The Ascent of Stan are excellent examples of interplay worthy of Pet Sounds or Two Against Nature. Annie Waits starts off with simple pinao rifs, then hand clap, the drum machine (Hey Walt!), then bass, then strings, then synth. Each note with a purpose.
4. Much better engineering than the BFF albums. Clear sound. Better channels separation. No saturation of the recording equipment. Beautiful SPACING, both temporal and spatial on most of the songs.
5. Seamless melding of lyrics and melody and rhythm. The recordings emphasize the lyrics their sound.
6. Great bridges. no song is complete with a soaring bridge. Like paddling down the Seine.
7. Hell, I'm just impressed at how well he plays all the instruments in the new one except for a guitar on the title track and cello on Fred Jones.
8. Oodles of little decorations that fit perfectly into the songs. Literally dozens and dozens in virtually every song. Losing Lisa starts with a marching harpsichord in the right channel, then a drum and bass blast followed by a piano groove in the left channe. What a moment. Little typewriter staccato at the end of Fred Jones (who worked for a newspaper). Beach Boy-like harmonies of Ascent of Stan. the rolicking drum runs at the end of Zak and Sara. Many, many
9. Yeah, it can be quirky and he jumps on the piano occasionally (but less than the first 2 BFF)...but Hey, ya gotta like an album that sneaks in some classical music - like the Dan sneak in some jazz. Plus Ben through in ragtime, jazz, rock, grunge into a more thoroughly cooked gumbo than the first 3.
10. Every song has a *beginning* and an *end*. My Dad would love that part
Stone's batting average gets lower every time he opens his mouth..
If the WTC bombers had the means, they would have killed 60 Million, with Malice A Forethought..
The US has the means to kill 600 Million just to prove a point, but Doesn't..
After all, what good is being a Terrorist if you just kill everyone you're trying to terrify?
OLIVER STONE'S CHAOS THEORYIssue of 2001-10-22
Posted 2001-10-15On the morning before the United States bombed Afghanistan, HBO Films presented a panel discussion, at Alice Tully Hall, entitled "Making Movies That Matter: The Role of Filmmaking in the National Debate." The people in the audience were restless, eager for someone to put their anger and unease into focus, and it wasn't long before one panelist, Bob Shaye, the C.E.O. of New Line Cinema, got them going by insisting that movies should entertain, not explain. Referring to his studio's forthcoming "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, he declared, "What the world needs now is hobbits."
As hisses filled the air, Oliver Stone, another panelist, shook his head in disbelief. From the start of the discussion, Stone, the writer-director of such political films as "Salvador" and "JFK," had seemed jumpy, swivelling his thick neck like a turret gun at the sound of any foolishness or naïveté. Now his voice rumbled up from his chest and he began to illuminate the dark levers that move the film industry and, by extension, the world. "There's been conglomeration under six principal princes—they're kings, they're barons!—and these six companies have control of the world," he said, referring to such corporations as Fox and AOL Time Warner. His voice grew louder as his ideas took shape. "Michael Eisner decides, 'I can't make a movie about Martin Luther King, Jr.—they'll be rioting at the gates of Disneyland!' That's bullshit! But that's what the new world order is." There was a storm of applause. "They control culture, they control ideas. And I think the revolt of September 11th was about 'Fuck you! Fuck your order—' "
"Excuse me," a fellow-panelist, Christopher Hitchens, said. " 'Revolt'?"
"Whatever you want to call it," Stone said.
"It was state-supported mass murder, using civilians as missiles," said Hitchens, a columnist for Vanity Fair and The Nation.
Stone wagged his head and continued. "The studios bought television stations," he said. "Why? Why did the telecommunications bill get passed at midnight, a hidden bill at midnight? The Arabs have a point! They're going to be joined by the people who objected in Seattle, and the usual ten per cent who are against everything, and it's going to be, like, twenty-five per cent of this country that's against the new world order. We need a trustbuster like Teddy Roosevelt to take the television stations away from the film companies and give them back to the people!" There was more applause, and a few uncertain murmurs. "Does anybody make a connection between the 2000 election"—for the Presidency—"and the events of September 11th?" he asked, and added cryptically, "Look for the thirteenth month!" He went on to say that the Palestinians who danced at the news of the attack were reacting just as people had responded after the revolutions in France and Russia.
Afterward, the panelists had lunch nearby, at Gabriel's. Hitchens stood outside, holding a glass of Scotch and a trembling cigarette. He was about to leave for Pakistan. "To say that this attack in any way resembles the French Revolution means you are a moral idiot, as well as an intellectual idiot," he said of Stone. "The man has completely lost it."
Inside the restaurant, Stone made his way, grinning, through the crowd. He plunged his hands into the hair of a young female producer and tugged, asking, "Is this real?" Although it seemed to most observers to be early afternoon, he twice observed that it was a wonderful night.
Stone sat in a booth, cradling a glass of white wine in his hands, and remarked that he hadn't slept in days. "The new world order is about order and control," he said. "This attack was pure chaos, and chaos is energy. All great changes have come from people or events that were initially misunderstood, and seemed frightening, like madmen. Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Gates. I think, I think . . . I think many things." He explained how the World Bank, McDonald's, and the studios' response to the threat of a Writers Guild strike last year were all manifestations of the new global conspiracy of order.
"This is the time for a bullet of a film about terrorism, like 'The Battle of Algiers' "—Gillo Pontecorvo's 1966 movie about the conflict between the French and F.L.N. terrorist cells in Algeria, in which the director's sympathies lie with the terrorists. "You show the Arab side and the American side in a chase film with a 'French Connection' urgency, where you track people by satellite, like in 'Enemy of the State.' My movie would have the C.I.A. guys and the F.B.I. guys, but they blow it. They're a bunch of drunks from World War II who haven't recovered from the disasters of the sixties—the Kennedy assassination and Vietnam. My movie would show the new heroes of security, the people who really get the job done, who know where the secrets are."
And who would that be?
His eyes roamed, searching and sad. "I don't know yet."
— Tad Friend
Midnite Cruiser- I'm a huge Steely Dan fan living in North Carolina. I was wondering why you would think (being a SD fan) I would want to go see Ben Folds? This place is strange.
ole- wha..huh? Ricky Jay? You sent me straight to Google, and I'm beginning to get it, but elucidation would be most welcome.As for Thanksgiving leftovers, mi carcass es su carcass.
Whoa! missed a few messages.Jim#--I haven't had the heart even to think about Fall DanFest since 9/11. However, maybe it can happen.... Let me know if you think of any good excuses.
jon--yo! still groovin', I see.
Dano--Obviously Ben Folds is not for everyone. I can't help it if I like him. At least Mu & I can fight off the doubters. I'm not much good for saying which album--I like at least parts of them all. "Whatever & Ever Amen" is a good start.
Hey you Bostonians! You are about to have the chance of a lifetime! Ricky Jay, master of manipulative magic, lord of legerdemain, is doing a run in your town this month & next! If you miss him YOU'RE NUTS!! I'm flying up with the whole oleandric clan over Thanksgiving to see him (oh yeah, and visit friends). Anybody going to be around? Let me know and we can stare at leftover turkey together.
HEY PAT BEEMER!
ONE DOWN THREE TO GO!THE YAAAAAAAANKEES WIN!
I hate the Yanks, mostly because of 77 and 78. Anyway, I'm getting psyched for New Orleans this week!
NMN: Actually, June and I will be enjoying the evening with each other. But perhaps you can meet us for a brunch the day after.Yours,
Ward
just back from a 10 day escape to N.Mex,Colorado, Arizona
too niceSteely Damned in New Orleans tueday 10/23
come on down!W1P email me at bergeon@shellus.com
Zeke? are you planning on making this?
wormy
Randy: Wish I could be there. Sounds awesome.I'm pulling for The Yankees - this year only - and Rudy.
Exemplary leadership and cool by Daschle despite attack on his office. Noticed that pork barreler Lott wants to turn tail and run
lp - your cue...
Aussie, lp...what are your dinner plans Dec 8?
Emineminem: Buyer of six year and less agency paper and intermediate AAA munis. Sticking with defensive names for now unless panicked then put into insured auction rate certs. Million per bond min.LuckLess Pedestrian: Don't listen to your jealous neighbor. I'll see you in Beantown when I travel north to see King Crimson play in December at the Orpheum Theatre. Remember love, NO vermouth.
Aus
Aus -- hope all's well with you & Babes. Selling some defensive names and buying high yield in here....whaddya think?I get all jealous when you talk cozy with lp like that. lp, he is a New Yorker and not to be trusted.
Snakehips - your husbands actions are most certainly grounds for divorcegive him a warning
Hips:So your husband has conditioned you to hate the Yankees?
Oh well, this marriage thing wasn't all it was cracked up to
be anyway... Actually by supporting the Yankees you can make
a stand for your own independance! Yes, you can use this
to make a statement for ALL women everywhere that you have
your own mind and your own values and you will not be told
what to do and what to think by some man... So listen to me
and support the Yankees already willya!St.Al:
So Hips asked you NOT to tell me that she was rootin' for
the Mariners in this one? Y'see? Y'cant trust those Seattle
fans... They've pulled so many rabbits out of the hat that the
rabbits have learned how to pull themselves out of the hat...
Also, I we talked to Floridavid in chat last night. Seems that
Dave is going in for outpatient throat surgery next week.
I'm sure everything will turn out well for him cuz' he's a
great guy... Is he a Yankees fan too?NYBill
eminem: Now that's a much better, and civilised way to express the reality of every Yankee hater's emotional state. But simply saying that the "Yankees suck" is downright absurd. Cheque their recent dynastic run for confirmation and get back to me.LuckLess Pedestrian: you can pick up the phone too lovey. Or did you lose my numbre June dahhrling.
Cherechilebrujitasupreme: Are you still alive?
Aus
I love New York.I love my friends in and from New York.
It is the greatest city in the world.
I want with all my heart for New York to bounce back stronger than ever from Sep 11.
Joe Torre is a philosopher-king.
Derek Jeter and Mike Mussina are geniuses.
Paul O'Neill (my homeboy) and Roger Clemens are warriors.
Bernie Williams is a gentleman and an artist, on and off the field.
I want el Duque on the mound for my team on any October date.
Justice and Soriano and Posada scare me, they're so dangerous.
The whole team is a national treasure of greatness and dignity.
And...
I HATE THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!
I did here a rumour today that Paul's been practising going down on one kneedb
"That's the Yankees," Giambi said. "They just know how to win. It doesn't matter how they played all season. They hibernate, man. They hibernate 'til the postseason."
For those who are or can be in the NYC area this Thursday (10/18) through Sunday (10/21), Andy Summers is playing a four night stand at Birdland (315 West 44th Street/between 8th and 9th Avenue in midtown Manhattan) with his "Super Trio," consisting of Steely Dan alumni Dennis Chambers on drums and Daryl Jones (previously with Miles Davis, among others) on bass. I'll be attending Friday night's 9pm performance (there are two shows each night).Details can be found at the following sites:
www.andysummers.com
www.birdlandjazz.com"Hanging with the mayor and all his friends / and nobody cares..."
- Steely Dan, "Here At The Western World"Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
I love NY but the Yankees still suck...
St. Al - I thought I asked you not to tell NYBill???? ;-)Bill - I'm only rootin' for the Mariners by default, really. Husband has conditioned me to respect, but hate, the Yankees. Also found out we don't want Atlanta to win either! LOL
Blaise - it's a good thing there's nothing mediocre about you (please read with intended sarcasm)
LOL - You got me, good one!
you've been promoting it here long enough. why not?
I have a case of ASS. Anthrax Stress Syndrome. My ASS has been bothering me greatly over the past few days. I find myself unable to focus on my day to day duties and obligations, because I am obsessed with my ASS. All that I can think about, all day long, is my ASS. No matter who I am talking to, I always bring me ASS up in conversation. None of my friends seem to want to help my ASS, and that just hurts. I am thinking about going to see a therapist to help me get a grip on my ASS. I wonder, if I went home, if my mother could kiss my ASS and make it better. I wonder if I could get the government to pay me for my ASS.
mark - thanksclas - don't worry
ge - i'll do it this weekend
aus - call me @ work
gina - web cams are awesome
sh - LOL!!!
Discourteous: are you kiddinme? Two blocks ahead, on the right, go up all the steps between the big lions- that's the library.
Find a book about how to write. BUT- don't do anything it says until you have something to write about. Otherwise, continue to whine about nothing of meaning or entertainment value and have a good day. I mean, Nice Day!
... mister
The Merit Of Discourtesy
New York As The Court Of Louis XIVIt's going to happen, I tell you. Once too often I'll go into one of those suck-up restaurants that spread now like dry rot in old tires. It will have the nauseating cutesy-sweetsy menu. You know the kind: You can't get ham and eggs, side of grits, some really nasty greasy toast. No. You have to buy "The Hearty Frontiersman -- two USDA Grade-A eggs especially selected for your dining enjoyment, cooked just the way you like them, drizzled with fresh Monterrey Jack cheese, with a mouthwatering touch of . . . ."
Those places make me want to kill something. The food sounds like a moist perversion. I don't want my eggs drizzled on. I'd rather not think about it.It gets worse, though. The waiter will say, "Hell-ooo, I'm Steve, your waitperson! Oooo-oo-ooo! I'm going to do everything to make you visit with us enjoyable. We're so glad that could come . . . ."
I know myself. I'll whip out a bolo knife, chop Steve into chunks, and beat the kitchen staff to death with them. Then I'll wait for the police, glowing with the inner peace that comes of having found meaning.
That's why I like New York. People there have enough respect for each other to be honestly rude. You can read a menu in Manhattan -- most places, anyway -- without feeling imaginary fingers on your knees. In a breakfast dive in Brooklyn, the waiter, who isn't concerned about your inner being, says, "Yeah." You say, "Two over medium, whole wheat, cuppa mud." He says, "Got it." That's all. It works.
Of course you can't ask for grits in New York. It's a nice place, but limited.
The rudeness of New Yorkers is almost a tourist attraction. It's a phony one. New Yorkers at least have the consideration not to subject you to saccharine smiley-facism. They're not cuddly. That's why I like them. You can talk to N'Yawkers without feeling as if you had grabbed a sticky doorknob. The city can be rough, but it's human.
Now, it's true that a New Yorker doesn't want your life story. There are too many people, all with life stories. You don't say to him, "Hi! I'm from Busted Fork and, gee, it sure is a big city, and, you know, we aren't used to tall buildings. Just look. They're everywhere. Tall. You know, buildings . . . ."
A resident of the city will listen to this performance and think, "Yeah. OK. Yeah. Whaddaya want? What, I gotta wait for the Ice Age? Come on, spit it. Hey is this guess-my-secret or something?" He's perfectly willing to help, but he believes in same-day service. He wants to see his kids again. He doesn't care about your mama's spoonbread in Bug Tussle.
But if you just say, "Hey, where's Davidoff's Bolo Knives?" he'll say, "Eighth Avenue, two blocks on the left." That's genuine courtesy -- answered the question, no therapy.
New York has doesn't tolerate sick self-absorbed do-goodery, for which god bless it. If you told a waitress in Brooklyn, at least anywhere in Brooklyn that I know, that you wanted a Hearty Frontiersman, she'd probably send you to a gay bath. Don't even think about drizzled anything. She'd regard you with a look New Yorkers use upon discovering that they are talking not to a human, but to a giant decomposing carp. It combines horror, resignation, and loss of faith in the essential rightness of things. It says, "How do you exist? Have you thought about stopping?"
Another manifestation of the general decline is the phrase, "Have a Nice Day," which justifies decapitation. I find myself perversely wanting to say, "No. I don't like nice days." Or "Actually, I'd rather have beri beri." Or "May I attack you with my bolo knife?"
When one stranger meeting another says, "Good day," it means, "I acknowledge your existence, and wish you well to the extent that strangers can be expected to." But have-a-nice-day is meddlesome, hortatory, contrived, like, "Have a, yuuummmmmmmm! mouthwatering day exactly as you like them with just a sprinkle…." "Good day" is courtesy. "Have a nice day" is factitious solicitude. It gives me the creeps.
The modulated insincerity and meretricious goodwill savor of the PC plague. See, the world isn't what we know it to be -- a vale of imperfection with occasional bright spots. No. It's a pinball machine with grinning Smiley Faces rolling around like yellow marbles. Breakfast isn't breakfast. It's a heartening Traditional American Experience that you deserve, with dollops of tasty fresh Grade-A Unction….."
What about a couple eggs, bacon, hold the smarm?
I saw a builders' catalog once that listed toilets. So help me, they had names like "The Cerulean Princess" (cyanotic, no doubt), and The Woodland Dawn. Then you get those syrupy recordings over and over when you're on hold for forty-five minutes. "Your call is very important to us. A customer-relations executive will shortly stroke you like a starving masseuse . . . ." The tone invariably suggests that she wants to sit in your lap.
The sense of being managed galls, especially of being managed by idiots. The implication is that, if you call a toilet the Roseate Verge of Morn, I won't know it's a toilet. I'll think it's a sister piece to the Nike of Samothrace, and keep it in a glass case filled with helium. Call a Belgian waffle the Charlemagne avec Crème des Mouches, and I won't have the brain to notice that it's a waffle like every waffle ever made -- pancake, with little square holes. No. I'll think I'm doing the squat-and-gobble with Louis XIV, right there in Howard Johnson's.
New York can give you a cold shoulder or a hard sell. Go into a discount camera store and the salesman will be on you like a buzzard on carrion. "Hey, best camera ever made. Gotta lens. Lotsa buttons, see? Little thing on the side here. You need this camera. Buy it." It's straightforward commercial bullying, but that's OK. It's what salesmen do. He's trying to con you about the camera. He isn't trying to con you about yourself, to shape your character, or make you feel empowered.
I tell you, it's part and parcel of the whole gummy zeitgeist that urges you to eat plenty of roughage, drink nothing but purified water, slather sunscreen on yourself till you feel like a Vienna sausage in mayonnaise, and never, ever offend anyone. The Mommy State, the PR society. Insufferable niceness. If instead of calling the old, poor, crippled, and blind what they are, and instead call them Senior Citizens, underprivileged, mobility-challenged and Differently Visioned, why, then, everything will be better.
I could live with being crippled. If anyone called me mobility challenged, I'd pull a gun. Which I may do anyway.
This explains everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.abbc2.com/islam/index.htm
The curator of this radio sister of Al-Jazeera is Ahmed Rami who is based in Stockholm!!!!!!!
It is not surprising that although Ms. Rice sent the same message as Tony Blair because a) she is a woman, b) she is black, and c) she is American that some elements of the media have twisted the interview. Radio Islam and Al-Jazeera's favorite African-American appears to be Louis Farrakhan!! Al-Jazeera is (in)famous for their start in 1999 providing a sounding board for Saddam Hussain.
I'm sure Mr. Fagen would appreciate this site...Sickening!
Know your enemy indeed. If billions of humanitarian aid, liberation of an enslaved country and gender are not enough PR, may I suggest a "peacekeeper" missle...
10/16/2001 - Updated 09:08 PM ETWestern officials finding it tough to win PR war
AFP/Al-Jazeera
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice speaks on Arabic television station Al-Jazeera.CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — President Bush's national security adviser went on Arabic television hoping to explain U.S. actions in Afghanistan, but the influential Al-Jazeera station repeatedly aired only comments likely to inflame Arab passions. The incident underlines the West's difficulties in getting its message across to the Muslim world: The war against terrorism is not a war against Islam and Arabs. Al-Jazeera, based in Qatar and widely watched in the Middle East and by Arabic speakers in the United States, has emerged as a key opinion maker because of its independent editorial policy — a rarity in the region.
It also has become known for airing taped statements by Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, and by the spokesman for bin Laden's organization, al-Qa'eda.
The station has presented comments from Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.In her interview with Al-Jazeera on Monday, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice demanded that the Palestinians halt violence against Israel and expressed Washington's concerns about Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. She also discussed Washington's reasons for its attacks on Afghanistan and assured Muslims they were not the target of the war on terrorism.
Viewers, however, will not see the remarks on Afghanistan and the war on terror until the full interview is aired, a broadcast that by late Tuesday had not been firmly scheduled.
But the comments on the Palestinians and Iraq — all likely to anger Arabs — were aired more than a dozen times to promote the interview.
Hamdi Qandil, a veteran Egyptian TV anchor, told The Associated Press, "America has already lost ... before the whole interview is aired."
Al-Jazeera officials said they got the tape of Monday's interview in Washington on Tuesday morning and needed time to translate it and cut it to fit into their 30-minute weekly program "Exclusive Interview," which airs after midnight in the Mideast.
Al-Jazeera news editor Ahmed Sheikh said his station believes the West was getting a fair chance to present its case to Muslims and Arabs.
A week ago, Blair told a Mideast audience via Al-Jazeera that the anti-terrorism campaign "is not about the West versus Islam."
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was to be interviewed Tuesday by the network, and Bush reportedly was considering an interview.
According to a transcript of her interview released by the White House, Rice repeated recent comments by other U.S. leaders in favor of statehood for Palestinians.
Rice also reiterated that the campaign against terrorism is not aimed at Islam. The hijackers were mostly Arab Muslims, and Afghanistan is a non-Arab Muslim state.
"This is a war against the evil of terrorism," she said. "The president of the United States understands Islam to be a faith of peace, a faith that protects innocents, and the policy of the United States is to do the same."
Rice also defended her request to U.S. television networks to exercise judgment before airing videotaped statements from bin Laden and other al-Qa'eda leaders.
Such tapes, obtained by U.S. networks from Al-Jazeera, "did nothing but incite hatred and ultimately attacks against innocent Americans," Rice said.
Because people in the region know it's part of a campaign, the Western media blitz won't have the impact sought, said Abdulkhaleq Abdulla, a political analyst from the United Arab Emirates.
Oraib El-Rantawi, director of the Jerusalem Center for Islamic Studies in Amman, Jordan, said the arguments would be more convincing "if they were accompanied by some crucial solutions for problems in the region, especially the Palestinian issue."
Reda Helal, an Egyptian columnist, said that the West's public relations campaign should have preceded the military campaign. Then "the United States and the West would have been able to win the struggle over the Arabs' hearts and minds."
Sorry, Cruiser. That was meant for NYBill.
SHADDUP!
upcoming entertainment for the NC/VA Dan Fans:Ben Folds
The Ritz - Raleigh
Monday, November 26 at 8 PM
On sale Friday, October 19th at 10:00 amGeorge Carlin
War Memorial Auditorium
Greensboro, NC
Sunday, November 11 at 7:30 pm
Snakehips is a Mariners fan? But...but...but I really like
Snakehips! Awwww... now this is a problem...a REAL problem...
How am I supposed to jump up and down and act stupid when the
Yankees win the whole thing knowing that Hips is'nt jumping
up and down and going crazy too?Oh well, I guess there's only one thing to do..., I'LL HAVE TO
CONVERT HIPS TO A YANKEES FAN! Oh sure it's late in the game,
but I have a feeling that I can pull it off. I'll play the
nationality card that's what I'll do... I'll tell er' that
there ain't no good Italian restuarants in Seattle. I'll tell
er' that New York is LOADED with em'. I'll tell er' that
John Gotti and SammyDBull and all them Italian guys came from
New York, and so did Americo Vespucci and whoever the hell it
takes t'get her to come over to this side!Dat wuz a dirty trick St. Al but it won't work, it won't work
i say! The series has'nt even started yet and you're throwin'
me curveballs already! Battan down the hatches, cast out the
yardarm and spank the salt dog or whatever, this is struggle
for the hearts and minds of the SD world now!We shall Prevail!
NYBill
Now behave yourself, girl!
welcome back elle!
psst..NYBill. Did you hear I'm not the only Mariner fan on this board? I hear Snakehips is one too!
ok
so
like
what's up with the chat?
huh?
it's always
empty
ok, where are all you partay people?
NO Steely Dan Fans:Last call for New Orlean (well, maybe second to the last...)
Besides Wormy, is anyone else from 'round these parts planning to show next Tuesday? (Tipitina's Uptown)
Info is on our site: www.thesteelydamned.com
I probably should also hype our Friday show this week (october 19th) at The Catamaran in Pacific/ Mission Beach.Glad to see things a healthy shade of normal here at the guest-ern world.
lovebob
Clas the Early yearshttp://www.eugenemirman.com/
db lol
You're right, Saddam is a great humanitarian with lots of concern for the environment which is why he set over 700 oil wells on fire and used chemical weapons in the Gulf War. Why didn't we go to Baghdad and finish the job? A misguided sense of having achieved our goals in the war which did not include any territorial, imperial or colonial aims against Iraq. Why did the US intervene in favor of a Muslim population in the Balkans? Because "things aren't always what they seem" and we needed a public relations coup in "appearing" to support Muslims when we really didn't. So while King Gustav was "leading" his nation by getting a blow job at the Gold Club instead of arresting confirmed members of Al Queda terrorists cells in Sweden, we were busy plotting the world domination that Sweden could not achieve when its plot was foiled at Poltava.
St. Al :Of course Rivals can still be friends...
My shirt should be a large. Please don't piss on it or clean
any countertops with it or spray anthrax on it as doing so
might be construed by some to be poor sportsmanship.Don:
I sat outside waitin' for you last night. You never showed up.
I moved the couch by myself. Thanks.
Walt:The people at the computer store did'nt take too kindly to
me showing up as Osama Bin Laden. Turns out that last night
WAS'NT Halloween. Thanks for the suggestion. The bail is
$10,000... I'm waiting...NYBill
DMA Reports Sales plummet since 9/11http://www.theonion.com/
Another mystery solved I think
The evening absence of Clas & possibly an explanation for his dogs ''bowel problems''http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,4-2001335442,00.html
Then
For my piece de resistance actual pictures of Mrs Clas & a Grand Danoise dancing
www.dancingdogs.net
Once again I thank you
building 7 went down before the towers, huh?http://www.eionews.addr.com/images/wtc/thirdexplosion_cnn_anim.gif
Sure is baby. Now you're an owner of a 10 dollar bill.
Clas! Isn't that Lazy Nina, recorded by Greg Philinganes?
Where have you gone Joe di Maggio?
About the Yankees thing:My co-worker told me that he wanted the Yanks to lose, but I tried to remind him of the reasons for their greatness:
Maris, Mantle, Ruth, Gherig, Jackson, DiMaggio, Clemens, Jeter,
Torre, etc.But I'mglad they won. If they were the team of the 20th century,
then there's no reason why they can't be the team of the 21st, especially with everything that has happened in a month.BTW: On the new issue of Vanity Fair magazine, there's an article on the Brill Building and the days when up and coming
songwriters were making a reputation like Carole King.Walter Becker talks briefly about his days there, just as the Brill Building era came to an end.
I'll try to publish down what the article said later tonight.
In the meantime, GO YANKS!
StAl - I don't hate Yankees either. But some of them are so... dumb.Did you get my pic fuckhead?
C
http://www.christinalux.dea girl and her guitar ...
NYBill: You know, it's not that I really hate the Yankees. In fact, I don't take any professional sport too serious nowadays. I didn't even know NC had a football team up until last year...I'll trade you one Yankee hat for a GB t-shirt. I promise not to piss on it before I send it. I would hope you would extend the same courtesy. Rivals can still be friends, no?
Schwinn: I'll fix the name next edit. I didn't think it looked right...
Edd: PHONE HOME
Thanks to the "other" Ed, I'll be restoring Thursday through yesterday's posts very soon!
StAl
Herm: That is the place. Still standing, but a bit singed around the edges. Yeah, last year I had the Country and Western Band, too. Liked the Classic Rock better. :-)
angel ~ (at least, I think it was you who was talking about going to a pumpkin patch. I can't go back and check because the files are missing, so I'm working from memory).Anyway, Lombardi Farm in Saugus? Is that what you were talking about? We're going sometime over this weekend. We went there last year, too. Only there wasn't a classic rock cover band there then ~ there was a country and western cover/originals band. Drove me a little wacky.
Later,
Herm
St. Al: Absolutely! Go Mariners....Interesting article on internet sites known as Blogs. I don't know how much this site is similar to those, since I have never seen one, but the corolation between the 2 is there.
http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-000081859oct14.story
My favorite line is this:
"What's happening on the Web right now is of historical importance to the entire nation," said Kirsten A. Foot, a co-director of http://webArchivist.org and assistant professor of communications at the University of Washington.So, all that yelling and screaming at each other back around September 11th did indeed have a use. Steely Dan related, or not.
But that's US stuff? Kinds of adding ”comic relief” to your national character?Are they throwing cakes in each other faces in outer space too?
C
Astronauts Charles Brubaker, John Walker and Peter Willis (James Brolin, O.J. Simpson and Sam Waterston are hailed as heroes when they become the first men to be rocketed to Mars. Actually the space travellers are as phony as their mission controller Dr. James Kelloway (Hal Holbrook); to avert a failure that might cost the space program its funding, the Mars-bound vessel has been sent up without a crew, while the helmeted astronauts sit on a movie soundstage, pretending to be in outer space for the benefit of the TV cameras. Unfortunately the Mars ship crashes on arrival, making the astronaut trio thoroughly expendable. Investigative reporter Elliot Gould, who's smelled a rat all along, races against time to prevent NASA from "terminating" the hapless astronauts in order to cover up the conspiracy. Not to be taken seriously for a minute, Capricorn One is a roller-coaster ride of a film, building to an outrageous but exciting conclusion.
Time for a GB re-cast
Ted? The moon???What's your point hon?
C
Ted also thinks the landing of the moon was a hoax filmed in Roswell...the worst thing about this crash is my little speech on how we have to go about our business as usual is gone, sorry to whomever had asked for it
i posted a top ten about this crash in the amen corner, sorry clas, i couldn't resist a friendly jab, who loves ya baby...
surviving and preparing for litigation
It aint' me, baby:http://abcnews.go.com/sections/entertainment/DailyNews/dylan011015.html
Forgot to mention yesterdays October health tip.
If you're thinking of having your teeth bleached like I just have it's not wise to go straight out to a bar with U.V. lights, I looked like bloody Jeff Bridges in Tron. LOLStAl glad to see things are back to normal again , Alas I am unable to help this time.
Later everybody
db
W1P - not that I believe that Israel's behind the terrorist attack in Manhattan, but I do believe that things aren't always what they seem to be.---
the Stranger - oh, thank you. Have a laugh now because this is serious;
The World's worst Terrorists are based in Washington
by John Pilger
By knowingly killing innocent people, for political ends, President Clinton is a terrorist. By supporting his action, the Prime Minister and the Defence Secretary are accomplices. The dictionary meaning of terorism allows no other interpretation; the rest is wilful obfuscation, or propaganda. What matters now is our informed reaction.
We have been through this many times before, with the lies echoed predictably from Downing Street. In 1986, there was the "evil" Colonel Gaddafi, whose country President Reagan bombed from bases in Britain, killing mostly women and children, including Gaddafi's 16-month-old daughter.
In 1990, there was the "evil" General Noriega, said to be a dangerous drugs trafficker, whose capture by US Marines required a full-scale invasion of his country and the death by bombing of at least 2,000 Panamanians, mainly the poorest of the poor in their barrios. Noriega and drugs had precious little to do with it. The aim was to put Panama, its canal and its US base under direct American sovereignty, managed by other Noriegas.
In the same year, there was "the truly evil" Saddam Hussein, another one of Bush's and Reagan's old pals, whose regime they had armed and backed (along with Margaret Thatcher, who sent most of her cabinet to Baghdad as supplicants or arms salesmen). Saddam's use of American and British weapons in his attack on the "evil" mullahs in Iran in 1980 was perfectly acceptable. A million people died in that "forgotten" war; and the American and British arms industries never looked back.
Alas, Saddam, the nominal victor, then attacked the wrong country, Kuwait, which is effectively an Anglo-American oil protectorate. He was clearly unreliable: "an uppity bastard", as one State Department briefer described him more in sorrow than anger. Punishing the uppity bastard cost as many as 200,000 Iraqi lives, according to a study by the Medical Educational Trust. These were ordinary Iraqis who died during and immediately after a period of military and economic carnage whose true scale has never been appreciated outside the Middle East.
This old fashioned colonial massacre was called the Gulf war. The dead included thousands of Kurdish and Shi'a people who were Saddam's bitter opponents and whom Bush had called upon to rise up against their oppressor. Long after it was over, New York Newsday revealed, from official sources, that three brigades of the US 1st Mechanised Infantry Division - "The Big Red One" - had used snowploughs mounted on tanks to bury alive Iraqi conscripts in more than seventy miles of trenches. A brigade commander said, "For all I know, we could have killed thousands."
This is a war crime.
THE FOLLOWING YEAR, Bush attacked Somalia in what was called a "humanitarian intervention". He was in the midst of his re-election campaign. Bush said the Marines were doing "God's work. saving thousands of innocents". Like his moralising over the Gulf war, this was generally accepted by the British media, with honourable exceptions.
AMERICAN TELEVISION CREWS were waiting as the Marines landed in a beautiful African pre-dawn; "prime time" at home. From the Somalian side there was perpetual darkness; "chaos" and "tribalism" and "warlords". When the American warlords had completed their adventure in Somalia and taken the media home with them, the story died, as we say. According to CIA estimates, the Marines had left between 7,000 and 10,000 Somalis dead. This was not news.
---
Luckless Pedestrian - apropos funny - I didn't get the Ha Ha Ha you sent? Explain?
---
Funny thing, and touching, I heard my sons band on the radio the other day. And I believe the presenter of the program made fun of Steely Dan's Greed. He announced every song in the show in a rap-way. With Steely Dan's Black Cow-groove as background-music.
Ha!
Sue him!
So, got to go, see you in an hour,
C
According to a Gallup poll released yesterday, 48% of Pakistanis believe that Israel was behind the WTC attacks while 12% believe that the culprit was Osama Bin Laden.New Orleans anyone?
Want to hear a joke ?That is, besides the guy who posted that weird Nazi-Communist-Jew (and who is Yahva?) post. You know, I think a "must read" would be the one taken by the team of doctors that guy needs. Oh, yeah, the joke (actually, it's a true story) -- The news tonight said that the Taliban is broadcasting propaganda that Israel was behind the bombing of the World Trade Center and that a lot of Israelis and Jewish Americans (4000 or so) were suspiciously absent from the WTC that morning. The sad part is that a few students from the region who were interviewed by the American press (and sadly, probably many others) believe it.
St. Al, sorry that you had to face the hassle of getting the guest book back up, but thank you for it all the same.
Since my previous post requesting help was lost, I am pasting it in here again, in the hope that someone from our community of musicians might be able to assist me --
I asked people for help with a few synth sounds:
Can anyone tell me what were the original keyboards (and their patches too !!) that were used on these 3 songs:
Home At Last - solo section lead keyboard part
Hey Nineteen - Harmonica-esque part at the end of the song
I.G.Y. - high pitched sound throughout the song.
(Please indicate any EQ effects such as phasing, flanging, etc. if possible, thanks.)
I am working at approximating these sounds as best as I can, but any information that any of you could send my way (here on the guest book is fine) would be greatly appreciated.Again thank you.
Steveedan
Dat's Right!,"With no margin for error, Derek Jeter and the Yankees pinstriped dynasty persevered with one of the greatest
comebacks in baseball history", Straight off the ESPN Website
my friends... Now all we gotta do is mop the deck with the
Gortons Fishermen and we're in. It's a done deal I tellya,
a done deal...
St. Al :Where do I send this Yankees hat? What was your adress
in Seattle again? Do you think Safeco Field will be safe for
the Mariners? Can we play "New York, New York" by Frank Sinatra
at the end of each game or would that be showboatin' ?
Hey, we waited all year to win another world series... it's
been hell!NYBill, Freelance Nostradamus of Baseball
Angel: what do you expect from a Yankee fan anyway...snicker...
INCREDIBLE FACTS
The books presented below do explain what is going on in the U.S. if the "chosen" Jews and their false god Yahve are concerned:
1/ Israel In War With Jews (Adolf Hitler Founder of Israel) by Hennecke Kardel, 1974, 2nd edition 1997, available at , , New Century Press tel.: (800)5192465, with every books store on order, or at Modjeskis' Society Dedicated to Preservation of Cultures, P.O.Box 193, San Diego, CA 92038. The price for this book with the Society is 17 bucks S&H included.
2/ Explaining Hitler by Ron Rosenbaum, 1998, where in on p.313 posthumously Hitler said: "Who created Israel? There wouldn't have been Israel without the Shoah (Holocaust)".
3/ Barbarians (Jews) Inside The Gates (of the U.S.) by Donn de Grand Pre, 2000, at GSG & Associates, P.O.Box 590, San Pedro, CA 90733.
4/ Jews as tools of tyrants of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and post-war Poland in the book by John Sack "An Eye For An Eye", New York,1995.
(check out: )5/ They Dare To Speak Out by Congressman R. Findley. About facts regarding U.S.- Israel relationship read also in his Deliberate Deceptions, New York,1995.
And now, please excuse for pointing out two most intriguing books, compatible with the previous six: The Bible-The Devil's Book by Jos Rogiers, Cymophane Publishing, Stockholm, Sweden and Jesus Lived In India (& died there) by Holger Kersten, Element Books Ltd, Longmead, England, claiming that Moses' grave is located and preserved in a small mausoleum in Booth at the foot of the Mount Nebo, Kashmir, the Promised Land in India!!
But they are less intriguing if one considers archeological discoveries of Italians and Israelis (1975-1995) that the tyrant Moses' Bible is a compilation of myths; that the Exodus never occured; and that short existence of pastoral Israel (1000-750 BC) was preceded by mighty Imperiums of Egypt and Ebla (Syria) with their vassal kingdoms of Canaan and Palestine, and Ebla's Sun God Is-Ra-El (see notes 04 & 42 to the Israel In War With Jews).
The Black Book of Communism (destructing private ownerships) by Stephanie Courtois, 1999, explicitly explains why the half Jew Adolf Hitler started the WWII. It also in a subtle manner deconspires the Jewish invention - Communism. And the Hitler's Jew: The Secret History of David Ben-Gurion, as the greatest enemy of Jewish people during the WWII, reveals that he prompted events that helped the Final Solution for the Zionists could use Nazis as the Nazis could Zionists. Few examples are Jew Baron von Mildenstein, head of the Jewish Department of the SS, as well as Jew Reinhardt Heydrich, the right hand, a mascot of Hitler, who divided Jews into two categories - Zionists and no-Zionists, the formers proclaimed by Hitler as having rights to the Palestine. (see The Defamation of Pius XII by Ralph McInerny, 2001).
Admittedly on February 8,1930 and on May 15,1931 Pius XI condemned Communism but on November 17, 1933 the U.S. recognized U.S.R.R.!! In 1936 Spain had to fell into Bolshevik hands with the American Legion on their side.
"Communism teaches and seeks two objectives: Unrelenting class warfare and absolute extermination of private ownership. Not secretly or by hidden methods does it do this, but publicly, openly, and by employing every and all means, even the most violent. To achieve these objectives there is nothing which it does not dare, nothing for which it has respect or reverence; and when it has come to power, it is incredible and portentlike in its cruelty and inhumanity. The horrible slaughter and destruction through which it has laid waste vast regions of eastern Europe and Asia are the evidence; how much an enemy and how openly hostile it is to Holy Church and to God Himself is, alas, too well proved by facts and fully known to all. Although We, therefore, deem it superfluous to warn upright and faithful children of the Church regarding the impious and iniquitous character of Communism, yet We cannot without deep sorrow contemplate the heedlessness of those who apparently make light of these impending dangers, and with sluggish inertia allow the widespread propagation of doctrine which seeks by violence and slaughter to destroy society altogether. All the more gravely to be condemned is the folly of those who neglect to remove or change the conditions that inflame the minds of peoples, and pave the way for the overthrow and destruction of society." (QUADRAGESIMO ANNO,
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER, May 15,1931)6/ And this is a must reading too:
The Bible (Exodus 23:24 & Daniel 3:29 or 96); The Koran (Jinn 72:17); The Gospels (John 8:44) because for Muslims not Yahve is a god, but Allah. Allah has had no son and Jesus is a Prophet as Muhammad was. For Israelis not Allach is a god, but Yahve is. Yahve has had no son. Jesus was a son of a Roman soldier and Jews are waiting for a Messiah because Christ was not. Talmuds (Palestinian and Babylonian) would explain that goyims are beasts, and the much more. If you add to this The Beasts of the Apocalypse by Olivia Marie O'Grady, First Amended Press, 2001, USA, how the "chosen people" ever since the Moses are implementing a consistent program geared toward world domination with manifold disastrous results, you will get the whole picture clear.
Shane: This will be a live version, recorded in the KMTT Studio. Check out their website.
St. Al: Glad you figured it out. We missed you. As Jim # said, we love the colorful way you tell us things. :-)
St.Al~ That RLJ cover of Show Biz Kids came out 15 months ago.GO YANKS!!!!!
Well, once again the GB script crashed. I have no cache so at this point all posts from Friday on are gone. Again I'll ask if anyone has a cached copy on their hard drive? If you do I would appreciate it if you could send it to me.The only good news about this is I know without a doubt why it's happening and it should not ever again. Thanks for your patience.
I discovered it earlier this morning when I signed on to post a message about a new Steely Dan cover I heard this morning. Apparently Rikki Lee Jones stopped by KMTT a few weeks ago and recorded a cover of Show Biz Kids. It will be released on the forthcoming "On The Mountain" CD. I believe it's due out sometime in the next few days. I'll be sure to pick up a copy and rip an MP3 for all to hear. Stay tuned.
More info: http://www.kmtt.com
StAl
Clas,
Where do I get comic relief? You are my comic relief. Especially when you're trying to be serious.
Don't get me started on public schools. I know first-hand that the real pressure for Ritalin popping is applied from school administration level. Agreed that the ultimate responsibility is placed upon the Physician, but their HMOs have dropped patient loads of 2000-3000 on them, and their heads are spinning from the angular momentum of the revolving door.Come to think of it, I must have more post-childhood trauma issues from taking the same fucking math 3 years in a row, because they refused to place or provide materials ahead of my grade, than dodgeball. Call my doctah, call my shrink!
Huddle up. Here's the plan: Wide sweep behind a flying wedge on 2. Once we score, hand the ball to the Northern Alliance and disappear into the stands. Wise appeal by W at the tail end of the press conference tonight emphaisizing a special childrens' fund for Afghan kids. Tony Blair and England continue to shine.
Comparing Goering and Condy Rice??? Did you lick envelopes laced with PCP? If masters of Nazi deception and evil invoked God and peace (this is not exactly news, folks), how does that negate the words of those who talk straight now? Can we say all together "non-sequitor?" Jeez, an all time low for relativism...or is it that you can't stand it that the smartest woman in the world is not Hillary, but a fine African-American citizen and scholar with real intellect and power used with compassion and vision?
Anonymous, I've been there. He'll be alright . . . once he gets to high school he can take advanced classes at his level, and once he gets to college . . . shit, he's the fuck out of there. That was me eight years ago, and I've turned out alright.alsoAnonymous
Trauma?My son is a math wizard but they keep him in a class with a bunch of fucking morons who throw chairs at each other while my kid writes the answers to the problems down as the teacher is writing them on the blackboard and he reads the rest of the time while the teacher gives all her attention to the morons who cannot perform up to grade level but have not been left back until they can because it might hurt their self esteem and it is considered discriminatory to pull my kid out and put him in with other kids who are also doing the math in their heads and then killing time with the mainstreamed morons who may or may not be any good at dodge ball which is itself a serious problem and make vicious fun of my kid and call him alien and egghead and weirdo and brainiac and spit gum out on his chair before he gets there but no one has thrown a ball at him so far though he could dodge it or it might hit him and he could remember it for the rest of his life and worry about himself. He's very good at math.
Oh yes you are!
that's prevalent
and I pressed the submit button by accident I'm not through...
anonynoyer -- You have some very good points there. Psychology and psychiatry are not the world's panacea. Aberrant is not necessarily pathological.
Much of psychology is a business drumming up more business for itself. Have a problem -- don't talk to a friend -- talk to one of us. I don't condone that at all. But some people do need a therapist and therapy helps them. I've seen enough therapy and read enough to know that a lot of the techniques are contradictory. Basically it's whatever works for the individual.Psychiatry is another business (medicine) that is drumming up more business for it self. They are taking some social problems like crowding in our cities and schools and turning them into medical conditions. It's called the medicalization of social problems one of the most famous expamles is hyperactivity. Children are naturally full of vim and vigor, very energetic. When the don't have an outlet for that they may act out in class, the teacher mentions it to whomever and next thing you know Johnny or Jane is on Ritalin. When in fact all they really need is a round of calistinics before math class. This is also prevenlent with ADD, when in fact the child may be bored because they learn faster then their peers or they are not given enough individual attention.
dumbass
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."-- Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials before he was sentenced to death
Ari Fleisher and Condi Rice want a quiet, non-questioning press as well to help the pResident usurper. Keep the people quiet and push through the GOP agenda. Scary
i thought it was pretty funny to find out that my gb inspired wiener page wound up as a link here:http://www.cruel.com/
thanks for all the inspiration, guys!
excuse me, maybe that was ultraviolet by pr
yeah i forgot bout windsong, right up there with charlie and je reviens... current faves are organza indecence... escada tropical punch... jean paul gaultier... royal secret, from paco rabanne i think...
I'll never tell-llllll!
Well that's the loudest I've ever heard him. Funny how he still sounds the same though. Has this tick involving the word "here." But what a mandible!!!
I just want to say that I am not "y" and that I'm probably going to New Orleans for the 10/23 Steely Damned show at Tipitina's. If you too are going or thinking about going, please send me an e-mail. "Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful care? Shall we work straight through the night . . . ."
http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites
*CHIRP*CHIRP
The White House press secretary scolded the host of 'Politically Incorrect' for calling some past U.S. military actions cowardly... White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said, 'There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this is not a time for remarks like that.'" -- —Associated PressQ: Ari, I was wondering if you had spoken to the President regarding Car & Driver's mixed review of the new Truck/SUV hybrid, the Chevrolet Avalanche, in which they offered some praise for its sturdy performance, but ultimately labeled it a "gimmick."
Mr. Fleischer: The President is aware of the review, and needless to say, he is very concerned about this on several levels. It disturbs the President that the Avalanche's ability to convert from a six-passenger, fully enclosed Sport Ute into a full-size truck for extra hauling capacity in a matter of minutes, a brilliant testament to American ingenuity and engineering, is dismissed as a gimmick. In fact, I've been told that Vice President Cheney happens to think that the Avalanche is "wicked cool" and that the President agrees with him.
Q: Ari, what about reports that at his recent birthday party, Timmy Brown of Youngstown, Ohio spit his mother's apple pie into a napkin and allegedly said, "This sucks. I hate apple pie. I want German chocolate cake."
Mr. Fleischer: Lets back up for a second so we can remind everyone that Germany, along with many other countries around the world, have pledged their support in our war against terrorism. Also, let it be known that no one appreciates a chocolate cake covered in sweet coconut frosting, topped with a cherry more than President Bush. That said, in times like these, we feel it's important that people pull together, and that means
watching what they say about our national pastry, and furthermore…Q: I understand that Timmy also something said about…
Mr. Fleischer: I'm getting there…
Q: …about hot dogs.
Mr. Fleischer: Right, I was getting there. Like most of you, I've heard conflicting reports, but the latest appears to confirm that Timmy called the hot dogs "yummy," not "yucky" as originally thought, which we're clearly encouraged by.
Q: Does the President have a comment on Timmy's punishment as well?
Mr. Fleischer: This is a time when some Americans may have to recognize that certain liberties may be curtailed, and being allowed to say that apple pie "sucks" is one of them. Therefore, we support Mr. and Mrs. Brown's decision to wash Timmy's mouth out with Ivory soap and send him to his room. That said, we would
encourage them to allow Timmy to go to baseball practice, as our national pastime has recently taken on additional significance for obvious reasons. In addition, we'd also like to tell Bill Maher to apologize again, this time clapping his hands like a crazed monkey.Q: Why?
Mr. Fleischer: I think the statement speaks for itself.
--Modern Humorist, 10/11/01
http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0110/fleischer/index.fm
I thought ”Dodge” was a car, a ”jänkare” (yankee) as we called those big sharky cars.And Dodger Stadium, are there rallycross going on there?
dr Mu - a a a a, don't get nasty now, I know you've heard that song.
C
Urgent stop. Send Money stop. Need Funds For Dodgeball
Psychiatric Assistance Fund stop. Bedlam Pesists stop.
Patients Up In Arms stop. Send St.Al Pronto! stop.
i've been thinking about this dodge ball debate going on in here and this is my 2 cents:it really is just a game - my memories of dodge ball was sometimes i got hit and was out and sometimes i stayed in - sometimes i got picked early on to be on a team and sometimes i was dead last - it felt good in the former and it sucked in the latter - it mirrors my life now, sometimes i'm okay and sometimes i'm not -
bullying has become a household term for us bringing up our 8 year old (unfortunately we think the 2 year old will be the aggressor, so there you go) - we have taught her to be nice to her friends and don't hang out with people that aren't nice to their friends or to her (our question to her is when she complains about someone saying something mean to her is: well why YOU want to hang with people that aren't nice to you - raise your standards!) - it makes for lonely recesses for her at times - it is a very hard lesson to teach a child to not be the victim nor the agressor, since life can be so often a black and white, win or lose kind of thing - when she says some mean things the kids say, we teach her a good comeback (eg I'm not going to play with you - answer: well why did you think i wanted to play with you?), maybe we shouldn't do that, but words make for a good defense at times
unfortunately, bullies are everywhere regardless of the games you remove from the recess periods and what's worse is they grow up and become our college roommates, our professors, our co-workers, our bosses, our secretaries, our next door neighbors, the people in customer service you need something from, and ultimately they, too, become parents of kids that will go to school with our grandchildren and be bullies to them - and so it continues - for this reason, we deal with how our daughter handles these people, because you can't change the bully or their parents, it's frustrating for her because she wants us to call the parents or go after the kids, but i just don't think that's the right method at this stage of her game
Silly Old Bear...
Why when I was young we didn't have any of that new-fangled modern medicine. If a couple of shots of whiskey, or camphor, or castor oil didn't fix what ailed ya, why...you were a homo and we beat the everlovin' crap out of ya...and what's this hear talk about Dodgeball!!?? Hell, I *lived* in Dodge and we were too busy dodgin' freakin' bullets! How do ya think I got these here quick reflexes?! Our constitutions were tough. We picked our teeth with barbed wire. My alarm clock was my Dad's boot. We talked to ten miles to school. Rain or snow up to 8 feet deep. Uphill. Both ways. And we read and recited the Constitution every day. Sure, I have a nightmare every once in a while about a nun with a large ruler, but...We gotta be tough. Them Talibanis are makin' the kids read and memorize the Qu'ran in Arabic every day - and they don't speak a freakin' word of Arabic. I mean just a few thousand of them bearded foreign towelheads got a whole country of 25 million in terror. I don't know about you wussies, but I'm takin' my Bowie knife, Davy Crockett rifle, and a keg of gunpowder and joinin' up! I still got one good eye.Clas: You're cracking me up. Let us all get Gina in an emotional state and then slip it to her sideways...
Oh, buy the new one, not the Big Ben 5 albums. He jumps up and down on the piano less on Rockin' the Suburbs...or at least go for Reinhold Meissner (but you should skip the first track of RM)...I knew you'd go and grab the first one - that would be as much of a shock to your system as Walter's the first time around - guaranteed to create sternal agony...
I hereby offer my apologies to Shari for having fed her paranoia on the morning of September 11th. Albeit reluctantly, I also extend this apology to all you peasants out there who happened to be around that fateful day. I'm sure you will understand that the grim prognostic I offered was totally off because the closing down of the Stock Exchange for a week or so (a very fortunate move, looking back) did not strike me as a strong possibility as a semi-strategy to avoid a market crash, at least not in the heat of the moment. Now I feel better, sort of, kinda. I'm no Economist, obviously...
All in all it was just a brick in the wall
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall
Blaise - I don't know about that, but as Mao once put it:Rather Red than an expert.
C
Psychotherapists And Ducks
More Progressive Social Thought
I've figured it out. We'll build a great long sliding board down a mountain in California, like a ski jump. Then we'll catch all the psychotherapists, and write "DUCK" on them in red paint. Then we'll grease them. Next we'll charge yuppie duck-hunters to sit at the bottom with shotguns, and slide those slippery suckers down.Hell, a California yuppie can't tell a psychotherapist from a duck.
We've just got too many therapists. They're everywhere, like sin and head colds. Especially on those talk shows with ugly fat women talking about relationships. I saw a huge flat-faced one who looked like a sheet of dry wall with eyes--I think it was Rosy O'Donnell--but anyway she had this therapist lady going on about something called Social Anxiety Disorder, or SAD. As best I could tell, it means being uncomfortable at parties.
Now, there's a medical condition.
(Before we go any further I ought to say we've got too many disorders too: Borderline Personality Disorder, Avoidance Disorder, Relationship Disorder, Characterological Disorder, and Just-About-Everything Disorder. SAD also means Seasonal Affect Disorder. We've go so many disorders that they're piling up on the same abbreviations, like dry leaves on a fire hydrant. Seasonal Affect Disorder means that you get depressed in winter when it's cold and dark and the wind howls like a lost dog and slush gets in your shoes and freezes between your toes. I guess that's a pretty unusual time to get depressed.)
Anyway, Social Anxiety disorder, said the therapist lady with worried solemnity, affected 20 million Americans, or 47 million, or some number. However, there was hope. All you had to do was to take a pill and . . . who would have thought it--see a therapist at $100 an hour.
It's pretty much a therapist lady's response to everything. Bored? Take a pill and give her $100 an hour. Can't find your car keys? You've got Can't-Find-Your-Car-Keys Disorder. Take a pill and . . .
(Tell you what. Pick your own pill. And send me the $100. I promise I won't talk to you about your feelings. Direct deposit would be good.)
Now, it didn't use to be that everything people did without exception was a personality disorder. No. Time was, people figured they were bored or lonely or didn't know what life as all about. But who did? It was just life. A guy might be as in love with himself as a peacock with a new Corvette, but he didn't have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He was just egotistical and tiresome. How did everything get psychiatric?
Insurance.
Years back, there weren't any therapists. You only had psychiatrists, who treated seriously sick people and probably made them worse, or treated seriously bored rich ones and made lots of money. Psychiatrists were mostly seriously sick themselves, but they had intimidating beards, so they got away with it.
Then some astute grafter noticed that the mass market was in mildly unhappy people in the middle class who wanted to talk about themselves. Psychotherapy leapt into existence. It wasn't a healing discipline. It was a marketing strategy.
Problem was, suburban women weren't going to pay $100 an hour to talk about their feelings. They were perhaps mildly irrational, but they weren't crazy.
The trick was to get somebody else to pay the $100 for them.
As it happened, the insurance companies didn't mind doing it, since it increased the cash flow and they skimmed off their bit. However, they only paid for medical conditions, not the distempers and minor miseries of existence. The answer of the therapy racket was to medicalize life. Nobody was normal. Everyone was sick. All behavior was a symptom.
The key to this parlor trick was the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, sometimes known as the Loon Book. It came to list a vast number of peculiarities, angsts, and habits that suddenly became Disorders. If a therapist could dredge the symptoms of a Disorder from a patient, insurance money flowed. Bingo. Anything in the Loon Book was billable, so pretty soon everything was in it.
Therapy spread like kudzu on a Georgia road cut. New disorders popped up daily. Some of them were splendidly wacko. There was briefly a boom market in Multiple Personality Disorder, with books and movies and chat rooms on the Internet for sufferers. (I figure if you've got MPD, you are a chat room. Sort of your own Internet.)
The other half of this financial thunderstorm was a pharmaceutical flowering. If Bored-With-Your-Job Disorder was a medical condition, there must be a medical treatment. Surgery seemed excessive. How about . . . yes!. . . a mind-altering drug! It was brilliant. Many of the earlier vic. . . patients had been through the Sixties, so the concept was familiar.
Sex differences erupted. A depressed man would knock back several bourbons and go look at motorcycles he would never buy. He might break things, throw a few people off a bridge, or machine-gun a kindergarten. Guy stuff. A woman wanted an answer that was approved by a parental figure, who would tell her that It Wasn't Her Fault. Which is the principle message of the therapy trade. Doctors, being ego-struck god-figures, were just the ticket.
Whole factories began spewing pills: Prozac, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Xanax, Depacote. It got hard to find an unmarried woman over forty who wasn't high on one of them.
The pharmaceutical companies saw yet broader vistas. The next step was compulsory disorders. Pretty soon, if you were a little boy, and not actually asleep on your desk, or dead, you had Attention Deficit Disorder, and they made you take Ritalin. (If you were asleep, you had narcolepsy, and they made you take Ritalin. If they caught you taking Ritalin without a prescription, you went to reform school. Social policy is endlessly fascinating.)
The question I worry about is: If everybody's crazy as bedbugs and disordered, and needs enough drugs to frighten a Grateful Dead concert--how come nobody noticed it before? Five thousand years of history, everybody was crazy, and nobody knew? (Yes, yes: We've got Self-Loon Nonobservance Disorder. Take a pill and. . . )
I don't know. I guess I'm just a redneck, and don't understand things like I ought to, except camshafts. Still, if a hunting pack of therapists had come up my holler, with a pill bottle and a credit-card machine, and wanted to talk to me about feelings, I'da shot'em. But then, I have Practical-Solution Disorder.
SD's views on europehttp://www.steelydan.com/advisory.html
lol
Gina? She suspects you're older than you claim and vice versa?Cynical would be a citizen of the Delrey Beach Fla area these days or wherever Atta and friends roamed in August and September.
SD? It's quite obvious that they are Democrats while not quite social-democrat in the strongest sense. It's a known fact that something along the lines of the Swedish model of social policies is praised around the world and is most likely right up their alley theoretically but they do exploit the existing market system for survival and so do you and I, apparently. It's our condition. In the end, it's just different degrees of luxury afforded.
”...are working...”C
Steviedan - what do you mean? Subtitles? Stellan Skarsgård and Peter Stormare is working in Hollywood. As Lasse Hallström and his wife Lena Olin, and Max von Sydow etc etc. All are Swedes, the best actors you have over there.the Stranger - and for that ”comic relief” you were searching for in Swedish Films, are that the kind of Police Academy 7-humour? Someone's pushing someone into a swimming pool, someone is throwing a cake in someones face, someone is flying off a car and his head is buried in a horse-ass... ? That kind of funny sophisticated stuff you are laughing at over there? HU?
Jim Carrey???
C
- Gevalium.Blaise - we're not cynical, we're just realistic. And SocialDemocrats. As Our Boys.
C
Lars! Yess, that's how capitalism is working. First we bought all vinyls, then the CD's, then the re-mastered stuff, then the re-re-mastered shit, now it's the DVD's. How rich can you be?---
Hoops - and I don't think ”Lazy Nina” is pretty much the same as ”At centurys end”. George wadenius played the awesome guitar on that one, didn't he?
---
But Phillinganges ”Lazy Nina” (it's a good song) is too much machinery. The whole album is.
---
Gina - what do you mean? Okay, five years younger...
---
Misheard lyrics:
Sioux me if I play too long...
Then, the shutter's false...
C
PS/ Blaise, what did she mean, Gina? ”Only two years younger...”
Lars - I like to comfort myself with slightly less cynical scenarios.I think it might just be because webdrone doesn't work in wartime or in between albums. Sure, someone uploads a jpeg now and then but I doubt he/she's on the SD payroll year round. StAl knows but he's not telling. It's yet another one of those american secrets. Roger Nichols, on the other hand, is on the payroll and he makes sure he leaks out a periodic state of the Union address on his digital forum. You just have to find it, a hidden top secret newsletter to keep up with the current Zeitgeist. Thank gawd for that.
You swedes are a cynical bunch, all of you. Living under the rule of royalty might do that to you, I understand.
Let's play dodge Gina!
Blaise - the reason we dont get those newsletters anymore is that there is no news to tell. News in the sence of products or services. They dont need us to buy their stuff at this moment. You bought 2nN? The dvd/video thing? Attended the concerts? Fine - they dont need you for the moment. Just wait ´til there's something to buy - I'll bet there will be newsletters.L
Social Hermeneutics - I have to say I absolutely rocked at dodgeball so I can't relate to this willingness to see it disappear from the curriculum. Hey when I moved around as a child, dodgeball was my ticket to instant acceptance wherever my parents roamed. There was a time there when I was your all around dodgeball wizard, ruling every schoolboard I was welcome to. I have often wondered how a pro dodgeball league would have made me filthy rich and famous... hmmm *sigh* ;-)Of course Jdubs could relate as surf king and I forgot he too was enthusiastic about the latest Ben Folds... hmm but it makes me wonder if you guys don't have stocks in his record company or some other sinister plot (I'm silly like that). I used to think the same about the Todd Rundgren hype too, another American secret leaked out publicly, perhaps too often, Collin Powell would say.
Clas- right on. Lena doesn't read this, right? Ha!
On the other hand, the founders of Steely Dan might visit this page while on vacation from recording, who really knows? Then again Walter might be more attracted to lurk at the cute little bunnies on the blue. argh Should we expect some SD web activity? I miss the newsletters.
Doesn't dodge mean to avoid from being hit or something?
Enjoy isn't the right verb to use if i'd like to express what it is to read the dodge ball comments as well as the teachers/education threads.
I wouldn't know about strong or weak, if being a loud mouth is necessarily a virtue or a token of survival instincts. Some people take their time growing into life and the nerdy types can become very succesful and the jocks can become bums of a major kind beating up their wives and kids or slip into alcoholic coma's. Standing up for kids "weaker" or less able to defend themselves is perhaps a social capacity in interhuman relating which mught be encouraged by those who teach, at schools or at home.
River Phoenix was mentioned a while back, the SD movie thread. You have a real nice motion picture "Stand by Me" that has him and a few other boys in it. A real moving picture about friendship. That's also how things can be.Well, next month i'll be moving into a pale yellow house est. 1920, it has wooden floors and a spacious kitchen. I might baptise it into the Banyan Trees Kitchen, for old times' sake :-)
Trauma should be something able to overcome on your own, if one is willing to turn over the stones inside or keep full bottles from imploding. But do people nowadays really CARE about emotional and mental wellbeing of their kids, in general? Too many toddlers wander with the keys to their homes in their pockets, too many almost teens have cellphones to be available to their working parents who call to say they have to wait at their friend's because they're gonna be home later than expected. The cost of living and education these days ...
One has to make it on his/her own, right? Isn't that the best way? Eventually? Some can't and need others to help them. Some stay weak all their lives but get by just the same. Quality of and in life is such a luxury as well as a primary rule, in a way.
How about Playing Doctor ...
Off now. Howdy Clas, only 2 years younger, eh?
How's about putting that on a bumper sticker ...Banyan Tree Sociable Hermit Takes His Cake Fairly Well Bow,
G.
Blaise - exactly my point, Gina is rebellious. And she's cute too. If I was two years younger and not married... wow wow... she's the female counterpoint to Che Guevara.Gina - shut up! You're rebellious.
---
Blind Folds Five? Dammm, you guys talked me into buying one of those CD's. Weak, no substance, a pianoplayer being all over the keyboard all the time. An annoying ability to not leave things alone.
---
C
Another 35 sweet goodbyes
Happy birthday Linda
The best wife & mother in the world
Love from D&D
sh -- I wasn't impressed with BF5 until I heard "Army" then I thought I should check these guys out. So I traded in this Joe Jackson disc "7 Deadly Sins" (or something) (good stuff I *guess* but *amazingly* depressing) for what turned out to be a promo disc on Reinhold Meisner and I was hooked. I still don't have all their stuff and would love to hear the new one. I don't care for "Brick" that song rubs me the wrong way which is one of the reason that it took me so long to find BF5 but I love songs like "Underground", "The Best Imitation of Myself" and "Lullabye".mu -- why do you always refer to BF5 or BFF as BB5? I just need to know the logic on that. And if you say Pretzel Logic...
I know we still have Halloween to look forward to but let us start early in our Thanksgiving praise that the anony-assininny is not in the schools as a teacher, staff or student.
Anony-assininny -- it was the childs reaction that got him suspended. Although it should have gotten him some mental health counseling. On the other hand your friend's kid should not have gotten a suspension for wearing his father's coat(unless explictly mentioned in the dress code as a no-no) but for that thoughtless and stupid note, you guessed it mental health counseling.
Dodgeball again? -- here's another reason it is disappearing from the schools: it's not a very effective physical activity for most. Something like soccer that is ever gaining popularity in this country is.
Sing it with me Scurvy Brothers and Babylon Sisters: Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole! We are the Champions, We are the Champions! Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole! We are the Champions, We are the Champions!
Jim # -- Speaking of dodgeball and threats of legal action unknown I sprained my wrist and arm the last day one could buy school health insurance. My mother wasn't going to buy it because, cheap as it was, we couldn't afford it. But I have this accident and they call my mother to come get me and take me to the hospital. My principal pays for the school insurance out of his own pocket and lets my mom repay him on her next pay check. Looking back we could have sued the school because the reason I had the accident was a warped gym floor. Or as our friend from Boston said wopped flour.
... and play a little dodgeball. oh would i. herm i do see your point, but to echo some others here, i was definitely one of the smaller (yet scrappy, oh yeah) shavers and i found it to actually even the playing field with some of the bigger kids who would cream you playing football. sure, i'd get punked once in a while, but our games were always pretty spread out and quickness was the witness. the autumn air... the leaves... ahhhh...... OH ! excuse my reverie, but i could see circumstances for example, if the ball was not a regulation standardized rubberized dodgeball, say one of those brick balls made from the same stuff found on the underside of of those k-mart "rock-bottom" tennis shoes that you prayed that your mother would not see on sale in the paper before you got your converses'....sorry, it's the reverie thing again. i'll try to adjust that.
Soc Herm: Just ignore these fuckheads. I see your point and so do they.
obviously people don't die from dodgeball. I'm talking about suffering some sort of trauma. Long term effects.But, you know what, you're all right! Why didn't I see it before? Dodgeball's fine family entertainment and good for society. But, why stop at dodgeball? Instead of lining balls at people, why don't we teach them to line airplanes at buildings?
Cool.
HermAnd, it's nice to see how warm other posters are to contrary opinions. Facists.
"I know people who SURVIVED car crashes, spousal abuse, gunshot wounds, etc. Does this mean, that since they SURVIVED, that all of the activity that they survived should be permissable?"unlike the above activities, I don't know of anyone who DIDN'T survive dodgeball... are you goofy or what?
"I highly doubt that it happened to you since you don't have the balls to identify yourself"
identify myself or not, do you know anyone who DIDN'T have to play dodgeball in gym?
not the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?
hey sheriff!BANG!
Shot you. Weren't paying attention, were you tough guy?
hey Hermit !!!!!!!!! spare me your freakin tears. crawl back into your shell and hibernate for a few years will ya? this is a world for the tough you freakin crustascean!!!I swear, you candy asses deserve each other.
anon ~ good to hear that you survived, although I highly doubt that it happened to you since you don't have the balls to identify yourself, but let me say this, I know people who SURVIVED car crashes, spousal abuse, gunshot wounds, etc. Does this mean, that since they SURVIVED, that all of the activity that they survived should be permissable?Mu, I hope that FUCK YOU wasn't directed at me. I wasn't scrawny, but I got winged in dodgeball myself. Still didn't like what happened to the others.
It's great that some people are able to skip out of the way of the oncoming ball, but a lot aren't and they shouldn't be put it that position in the first place. Anyway, I guess we should add dodgeball to the list with politics and religion for things people shouldn't discuss since there is no clear cut answer. Whatever. You all have your little macho pissing contests. Good for you. If that's what makes you happy. Sad little people. Can't wait until you have kids and you have to deal with them coming home and crying because they've been bullied. I bet you'll tell them to tough it out. Just take it. Then, every time after that they continue to be beaten, you'll say the same. Until the day that they go to school with a gun. Then you know what? You'll be blaming the school, the teachers, the administration. That's great that you got abused as a child and don't suffeer reprecussions, but what, because it happened to you, we should continue it on to the next generation? That's fucking stupid. "Hey, I got beaten by my father, he never told me he loved me, and he ridiculed all of my choices. Why not continue the cycle?"
Good luck, dumb fucks.
Later,Herm
at least it's already the right shade of yellow!
St. Al oughtta change the name of this joint to Bedwetters Anonymous
I goth hith in the mouf by a dogebal and I weely piffed!
(Stoph laphing at mef...it's noth funny)
bunch of freakin candy asses.
hey Mooooooooooooo. stop kidding yerself. and while you're at it, try punching yourself in the face. you get on my nerves too.
>>>>In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.<<<<<
Adolph Hitler-1937
I was a scrawny kid with a little hand-eye coordination who kicked ass at Dodgeball and beat up the bullies - cause they can't take a punch in the face. So FUCK YOU TOO!Oh, sorry thought this was the Ben Folds Five site...
What's with all this jibberish about "Ben Folds Laundry"?? They stink. period, the end.And the dodge ball issue? hey, if kids can't compete with these critical life preparing events then they deserve all the whup ass that's coming to them...that's life baby..adapt or die. but for crying out loud stop sniveling about how skinny scared kids get "traumatized" and bullied by these games which will always be played, whether you tight-assed parents like it or not!!!!
geez louise! you guys really tear the ass outta me sometimes.
you know damned well who
Herm, others: You know, I normally don't get drawn into these socially relevant things because there is never a clear answer, hence the debate in the first place. And debate on this forum oft inspires debasement.But. 5 years ago my son was in 3rd grade. I got a call at work from the vice-principal alerting me to the fact that son had brought a weapon to school. A gun. He suggested, rather strenuously, that I come right away.
So I show up, and do you know what he had? How about a plastic orange squirt gun in the shape of a machine pistol. Orange. I listened as the VP, in closed session, talked the palather about weapons policies in general with all manner of earnestness.
Then I about busted a gut laughing. And, for a wonder, so did the VP. Son still got a days suspension. I guess the lesson was learned, he hasn't shot any school up with bursts of high powered semi-automatic water since.
Dodgeball? I was a skinny kid with limited athletic ability in grade school. You knew the big kid was probably gonna win, sure. But every now and then the skeevy little kid with quick reflexes had his day. Or her day. I don't ever recall a teacher encouraging anyone to get hurt via another's actions. They were, in fact, uncannily attuned to injury and the welfare of their charges. This in an age where threats of legal action were unknown.
Maybe I lived a charmed childhood, but there were, and are teaching professionals whose humanity and ability to use common sense comes to the fore. Would that there were more of them able to be so, in this peculiar age.
Sorry Herm, I was one of those scrawny, unathletic kids that got clobbered on the dodge ball court, too. But I've still got all my limbs and vital organs, and I'm not still wetting the bed over it 20 years later. Get a life.
well, if you call disliking innocent children being beaten by bullies "issues", then, yeah, I guess I got 'em.
Later,Herm
well, yeah. isn't that obvious?
Are all Steely Dan fans such twits?
wow! it sounds like somebody's got issues!
Pavlov's children: I'll say it again ~ dodgeball IS violent. It always was, and always will be. It has NOTHING to do with political correctness. Having bigger children maliciously line a large rubber ball at smaller children under the supervision of an adult is the antithesis of the way a child should be brought up. Exactly what does this teach them other than to be afraid of bigger people? How about spending some time explaining to the bigger kids that hurting other people, weaker or not, for your personal enjoyment is an act of hostility and downright stupid? Please, you show me data, or at least expound on some personl theory, explaining how bruising a child physically and emotionally is a good learning experience. And don't tell me that it's a tough world out there and all dodgeball does is prepare a child for it, because that's lame bullshit. Perhaps some of the reason the world is so tough is because inane shit like dodgeball, (I'm using this as a metaphor now for mindless and acceptable violence in general), was allowed to go on for so long. Maybe if people were taught at an early age to be kinder to others, they'd be more like that as adults. Not saying that it would happen in 100% of the cases, but I bet the margin would be pretty high. And don't compare it to football, either, because in sports like football, for all of it's glorified violence, it's performed with the consent of everyone involved. People willingly try out for football, aware of the pain and punishment that they will suffer. Go try telling Mr. Conrad your gym teacher that you don't want to play dodgeball, that you'd rather play something else. You'd not only get laughed at, but he'd tell Jake to make sure you got hit first, and hardest. You have no choice than to play, and ultimately become a victim. There is nothing fair or just about dodgeball. It doesn't make you a man, it makes you vicious. Remember the bloodthirsty grins on the faces of the predators as they stared down their helpless prey then threw with all their fury and might? Is this the type of behaviour we want to teach to children? Or encourage? Let's put it another way ~ if there were nothing wrong with it, like you seem to say, then how come adults don't do it to unwilling strangers on the street? You know, carry a ball with them, then just tag the weaker looking pedestrians in the stomach or the back of the head? Know why? Because they'd be put in jail. Because it's called assault, and assault is a felony. Tell me the difference, between a kid being unwillingly beaten in a gym class under the supervision of a mean-spitied adult, and doing the same thing say, in your neighborhood grocery store. And, if there is no difference, please tell us all here at the gb where you will be tomorrow, and we will all come by with a large supply of dodgeballs.Later,
Herm
Randy, in reference to your wish list of live songs way the hell down the page -- I think "Nightly" has actually been performed live. In the "Brew Against Nature" video on Dandom.com, you can hear the delicious opening strains playing in the background.An independent station . . . WJAZ . . .
Chris
Mt. Belzoni, RI
Pavlov's Children
Breaking Our Young To A Trendy PruderyFall comes. Across the country leaves turn, the morning air grows crisp, and nuts ripen, chiefly in the schools. In the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, I see that a school kid of 11, Paul Volz, got suspended for three days, because he drew a picture of the World Trade Center on fire.
Yep.It was your basic 20-second kid drawing on lined paper. Versions differ as to whether he stuck a paper airplane on it. He then put the picture on the wall of his study cubicle. Bingo. Outta there.
Have we lost our tiny little minds?
It gets better. From Jeff Boyer, the principal: "When I asked him why he did this, he just looked at me and smiled. This is totally inappropriate and Paul's behavior has to change."
"Inappropriate" is the word used by schoolmeisters when a kid hasn't done anything. If Paul had attacked a schoolmate with a machete, he could have been called "dangerous." If he had stood on his head and screamed for three hours, "disruptive" would have fit. But he did nothing wrong at all, so it's "inappropriate." This conveys disapproval without specificity, leaving the child with no defense.
("Inappropriate" actually means "I'm a hopeless priss, and you aren't, so I'm going to get even." Honest. It's in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
Things get better yet. Apparently there's a whole hive of of gooberish control-freaks in St. Louis. Ben Helt, the district spokesman -- whatever that means -- said it wasn't the picture that engendered distress. No. It was Paul's grinning.
Yes. We now have grinning police.
There's no end to this. Said Helt, "How a child handles that drawing could be just as important (as the drawing itself). Some drawings can be therapeutic and others can be offensive."
I pondered this, crossing my legs. It's not just the English. Therapeutic? Since when do pictures by children have to be therapeutic? Who asked the wee timorous beasties who run the schools to do therapy? Why the assumption that kids need psychological care because a couple of building blew up? Why is a picture of a news event offensive?
We have here one of those pair-of-diggem shifts I read about. We used to have sexual prudes. That doesn't work any longer. It would be like being a water-prude in mid-Pacific. So we now have violence-prudes. All the prurience, but half the fun.
Now, why did Paul grin? I'm not sure what else a kid is supposed to do when asked a preternaturally stupid question. Kids draw pictures. They draw what interests them, what they see around them, what's on television, what piques their imagination. Spacemen. Cowboys. The Trade Center. They don't know why they draw things. I don't know either. It's what people do.
If this were an isolated case, we might figure that there was a really serious hole in the ozone layer over St. Louis. But it's not isolated. It's everywhere. A friend of mine has a (large) son of twelve, who couldn't find his jacket one morning. Dad was at an early meeting on Cap Hill, so the kid borrowed his leather coat.
Bingo, suspended: It was a Columbine-style coat.
The same kid, after the recent adventure in New York, wrote a note to a classmate: "Westernport is next. Ask me how I know." Westernport is a tiny place of no interest to anyone who doesn't live there. The kid, being a kid, was kidding. Days later the note fell out of the recipient's notebook, and a teacher found it. Bingo: Another suspension.
Before thinking about what all of this is, let's think about what it isn't.
It isn't about safety. A kid who draws a burning building, or borrows his dad's coat, is not a dangerous psychopath. If he were, would a three-day suspension cure him? Maybe the idea is that an angry killer, having been humiliated by being tossed out of school, will respond by becoming well-adjusted. I expect so. Any day now.
When a child writes that some crossroads is next on Bin Laden's list, one of three things must be true: (a) the kid is perilously bonkers; (b) he is a member of an Islamic terrorist organization (common among Anglo pre-teens in remote Maryland); or (c) he's a kid. Pick one.
If you really thought a kid was dangerous, you would try to get him out of school permanently, which would be entirely sensible. The parsnipocracy didn't, which establishes that they know these kids aren't terrorists.
What, then, is the point of this bullying? Which is what it is.
This is a judgment call, but . . . these people bring to mind the good-goody little girl in third grade, the pasty tattle-tale boy who would run up and say, "Teacher! Ricky made a spitball," and then watch in triumphant disguised hostility as Ricky got chewed out. They were kids who really didn't like others, but didn't have the courage to assert themselves directly.
The teachers who throw kids out for pointing chicken fingers at lunch and saying "bang," or for drawing GIs (both in fact happened), feel to me like the same kids gotten older. (Incidentally, I expect one day to see a book by a principal, "Fear of Chicken Fingers: A Survivor's Guide.")
These delicates are not conspicuously overburdened with courage or character. A man who gets his innards in an uproar because Johnny drew a soldier with a -- squeeeeal! -- gun isn't up there with Churchill, Jim Bowie, and Gordon Liddy. Further, though with many exceptions, teachers are the dregs of the colleges, and they know it. They know that others know it. Throw in diversity hires and it's worse.
The resentment borne by the consciously inadequate goes quickly to vengefulness.
And that, I think, is where we are. Today, the little rat-finks of third grade are Teacher, and in charge. They want to squash what they aren't. I can't find a better explanation. They have the totalitarian instincts of the empowered negligible, the desire for control, control, control that characterizes the vaguely frightened. Control is indeed what they want: To browbeat kids into conforming, into complying with their pallid sanctimony over imagined peril. The totalitarian outlook invariably leads to puritanical moralizing. One doesn't easily imagine Joe Stalin getting a lap dance or Franco swinging from a chandelier. Thus dodgeball is violence, playing soldier is "unacceptable," drawing a burning building is inappropriate.
We have consigned our offspring to anxious mental defectives.
I'll say this to the Pauls of American: Don't let the bastards grind you down. It isn't you. It's them.
Clas: Normally by muons and peso-ns...
Blaise: Mr. Folds is such a secret one can hardly find his works here, his new one spent only two weeks in the top 100 Billboard album list and as of last week disappeared off the chart...Dano: I believe Mr. Folds is set to tour over the pond at some point - that type of thing is tentative these days. Folds' web site and message board, which has a S/N ratio 10 times lower than the GB believe it or not, has some info. In fact, while work and terror occupied September, Folds sneaked in and out of Austin right under my nose - "you better watch out cause I'm gonna say..."
Personally, I would recommend Rockin' the Suburbs first. I think it's heads above the BB5 stuff, which is awfully darn fun. Simply put: better musicianship, It's a very focused album musically, where the BB5, especially the eponymous debut and Whatever and Ever Amen are purposefully distracting. Credit goes to a very strong group of songs, a more focused vision, and the co-producer Ben Grosse (the "guy with computers who cleaned up all his shitty tracks"). There's a lot more care and little details that emerge with repeated listens.
While The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Meissner has some good production ideas, the new one is a cleaner, more precise recording without choking any of the life out of the album - always a challenge. Unexpected moments and just plain cool stuff still rule. But to be honest, with the first 2 BB5s - what ya heard is what ya got. Get in front of a mike and just play. There's always something to be said for that, especially as they are chock full of neat ideas and spastic gyrations from one style to another: the shotgun of brilliance.
Rockin' the Suburbs is more complete in idea and thought and composition. Most of the songs are gorgeous and he's a super piano stylist and a pretty darn good one man band. It has a classic sound, that won't grow old... along with one hilarious parody. IMHO, this one can be rightfully compared the Beatles, Elvis Costello, and even the Dan for overall quality. It should be interesting to see if he can continue to demonstrate great talent of compostion while continuing to improve his musicianship.
The Ascent of Stan is my favorite track - check out the Beach Boy-like harmonies. But Fred Jones Part 2, Losing Lisa, Carrying Cathy, Fired, The Luckiest, and Annie Waits are all extremely strong tracks. Then the roughousing of the piano on Still Fighting It juxtaposed with a sentimental, poignant, and realistic view of a Father-Son relationship is another winner. As far as the other stuff: Zak and Sara, Not the Same, Gone, and the Title Track would be the best songs on 95% of the albums released. Go deep. I love Boz and his new one is good as well as Neil Finn's, but I'd choose this one...
Herm - I with you regarding Ben Folds and dodge ball. Don't care for either one. Last year they did Barrytown on David Letterman and I thought it sucked. The guy can't sing.Ok, BF fans, lemme have it...
Hey,
I guess I'm in the minority here, (so what else is new), but I really don't care for Ben Folds. I have the cd with "Brick" on it, and I've listened to it a few times, but, it just sorta rubbed me the wrong way, I guess. And I'm a firm believer that if a cd is going to rub you, it had better rub you in the proper way. I wouldn't compare his sound to Matthew Sweet, nor would I say that his lyrics have more depth that MS's. Maybe that's just bias on my part since I'm a really big fan of Sweet's. (Both Matthew, and the "Little Willy" band, for that matter).
In response to this weird thread about dodge ball, I'm with Dragon ~ dodge ball is just a licensed bullying. Social Darwinism. Big, strong kids fucking with smaller kids. And the reason that most P.E. teachers don't say anything about it, at least when I was younger, is because most of them were the same kind of stupid jocks who thought it was funny to pick on weaker kids, and now that they are in positions of power, it still gets them off, just now at a voyeristic level. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with common sense, ethics and morality. We are teaching kids at a young age that the strong survive and that violence is not only acceptable, but also humorous. Although, one look at that washed-up jock making $20,000 a year as a gym teacher should tell all these kids that sometimes the strong don't necessarily survive ~ sometimes they just manage to get by.
Oh well, enough for now.
Later,
Herm
(...) Sorry, Clas ~ my keyboard's acting up.
Blaise ~ Try it..you'll like it! (Ben Folds, that is...)
Dano - True. Ben Folds seems to be this jealously guarded American secret. It never really crossed the border into Canucka, all this hype surrounding it, I mean. But over time I have heard so much good stuff written about it right here and I know the Barrytown cover is not the worst one I've heard. And judging from the oft-misleading samples on amazon, I'd say it sounds sort of power-popish a la Matthew Sweet, perhaps with more depth and soul with the frequent use of the acoustic piano, it seems. I'll give it a decent shot since the enthusiasm expressed here appears genuine. Thanks to ole and mu for the tip off on this one.lp - It's all good, most of the time. Sometimes it's buggy like that but there's little I can do about it, you know. To avoid any frustrations, and that goes for any guestbook out there, it is safe practice to write your lenghtier things down on Notepad (or whatever) first. I seldom follow this advice myself but I have wasted my time before and lost a lot of drawn out stuff. Ah, the vanity... pfft
Nuns still manage schools down there? Only in America, eh? It's now quite a rare thing up North, I mean. NATO airplanes over Boston? sheesh
Gene Simmons as Donald..........Dooser
Ole , All this talk on Ben Folds ??I have never given them atrue listen .......But you guys keep on about them . Whats the best album to try in the record store when i have five minutes at lunch. Thanks Ole .....All reccomendations greatfully recieved.Regards Dano.
http://reason.com/hod/cs101001.htmlthanks to sci-fi for the B&B update, now i don't have to go home for lunch again today
ge/angel - check your email
care to assess As the World Turns ...?
Newsflash...Taylor is in the wrong here! She perpetuated and advanced this lie regardless of
how hard she tries to shift the blame, how much whiney justification she screeches about or
how many crocodile tears she sheds. Taylor has no business yelling at anyone, she needs to
go back to school and take a refresher course in psychiatry. This woman is the most
unethical piece of work portrayed on daytime television. Would someone with any ethics lead
another person to believe her father is dying with all the inherent emotional suffering
associated with such a lie??? I think not, Taylor should pay for her lying and scheming but
she won't. To use the excuse that Brooke is persuing her husband is ridiculous, Taylor is
supposed to be a mature intelligent woman. Do mature intelligent women depend on their
mothers-in-law and would be hoodlums to fight their battles? If Taylor can't hang on to her
husband despite the threat of a raging flirt, she's got deep rooted problems that can't be
solved by a scheme like this one!
McBride's "Sci-Fi" is a great CD with superb backing musicians, Herbie Hancock and Toots Thielmans prime among them. Taking the extended sax solo spot on Aja, originally played by Wayne Shorter, is a guitar shredder that is alone worth the price of the disc.This is, for the most part, a really hard-driving, bop album in the classic sense and Herbie is his usual awesome self. Even on the tracks he doesn't play on there's a real early 60's Herbie feel that informs the whole disc. He also plays on a gorgeous lullaby w/Dianne Reeves contributing a lilting vocalese.
My advice: Git it!
B, can't get into your room this morning (?) - how's it going in there?on education, i send my daughter to catholic school primarily because of the ignorant reason that i went for 12 years and i want to give her the same education i received (explains alot doesn't it?) - but one occurrence last year made me glad i made the choice: we had lost a few very close friends to untimely deaths last year and they were very difficult for our daughter to deal with - on her own, she went to the principal's office and spoke to the principal (a nun, yes) about her fears, angst and sadness about it all and they sat and discussed it at length and sister gave her a big hug at the end of the conversation - it was heartwarming to see that level of trust on our daughter's part that she felt comfortable enough to seek support from the principal (though she is a little precocious) on a very personal matter and that the principal felt comfortable enough to stop what she's doing, talk about it, relay catholic principles on death and dying, help her and then even to hug her - can they really do that at a public school? i'm not sure they could, they appear to be understaffed, they can't discuss matters about death and afterlife because of the separation of church and state, and hugging? forget it...i have good friends who teach in public school and work very hard with their students but no way could they go as far as this person did for my child - no, the school is not raising my daughter, but along with teaching and providing life lessons in self-discipline, they support our efforts to raise our daughter through their support of her well-being - i'm not sure what the answer is, but looking at why people abandon public schools is a good start
steviedan, they put an eclectic spin on dear prudence, like a lucy in the sky with diamonds kind of feel
Alright... alright, get a room for chrissakes! You damn foreigners!
like Blazer Rouge, is because he is passionate about the things and people he feels involved with and not afraid to take a stand either. his concern for details often leads to insights most are more than inclined to digress AND he kept us closer to the Steely Dan threads when some of us strayed too far.
because he is Canadian and bi-langual with this cute frenchy accent, he is more of a free spirit and open to independent thinking in a way i've come to respect.
awareness. free your mind and the rest will follow?
Watch out, it's the Mountain Virus doing that to ya, Blazer Rouge :-)
It's not just even about being rebellious, it's about what our very own X-Ray Woman Lisa G. wrote about, C O M M U N I C A T I O N and speaking one's mind, share ideas and thoughts and perhaps change your own or add a few. Or go and listen to Ben Folds if people write about him with heartfelt admiration :-)Like the things we had here when i entered aboard about 18 months or so ago? Geez, i could have given birth to a kid by now or halfway a second ...
The community sense, the kindred souls and spirits.
So what we had and have to deal with a few Gremlins because we forgot about the water ...
Those who were and are part of how my life grew and changed in all those months i hang out here are just as much part of the things i do now, as in writing about music, meeting nice and interesting people and learn about the world we live in.
Most of the Banyan Trees people posting here have contributed in those little serendipitious things i wrote about.
Those the ones that matter to me, those the ones i enjoy reading here. If even so because of an occasional one-liner or the history lessons doc Mu liked to offer during the weekends, when most were out there offline and spending their time otherwise.Substance, it's about substance.
"The rest is mush, stifling those who strive
I don't live a lush life in some small dive ..."Lisa G. said it all, she really did!!!!!
You know why I like her? Because unlike you and a lot of people here, she shows no concern for conformity of thought with the current in-house "moral majority", however problematic this concept is in a place like this, where one guy can appear like a dozen and a bunch can seem as one. Interpret that attitude as you wish (whether it is a show of balls or naivete) but you just have to admire it. It is refreshing to see someone unafraid to go against the grain like that, I find. I for one think this venue needs more of that rebellious streak, especially if it comes from someone who's been around longer than most of you little tyrants out there right now, yes, the ones I think get way too much attention considering the poor quality of their input. Those I have judged to be consistently irrelevant and thus, learned to skip altogether.
i vote for Really Hot Sex - well who wouldn't? ;-)
"I'm also sorry to have to mention Gina here..." WTF is that? You're a man of your own mind, aren't you, Brit boy? Who gives a shit for these people who dislike her and their meaningless opinion? I sure don't. Noone made them king or queen around here, as far as I know.At any rate. Muzak can't be that good but hey, suit yourself.
Creeping deaf !!Are my ears playing tricks on me, I was in town today @ lunch time getting some last minute birthday presents for Linda from the artshop when over the speaker system came the dulcet tones of… Aja
I listened to the entire song whilst choosing carefully the gifts (wondering around aimlessly picking up any thing that looked interesting / colourful )
Having made my purchases I asked the spotty youth the name of the CD that was playing, It was some cheap compilation but the track in question was from The Christian McBride Band.
The track in question was lifted from Sci-Fi re-leased in 2000.
Now let the Q&A's begin
1, should I spend some money to get this interesting sounding CD
2, has anybody else heard the track in question
I'm also sorry to have to mention Gina here but like her before this is the first time I've heard SD muzak being played in public & I must say it sounded great I may have even blushed a bit.
As far as a shopping experience goes Yes I did spend more than I had in mind but then again I'm spending for two now.Fezo: (Aus) where are you ? did you get the DER stuff I sent you ?
Sh: thanks for the notes
Dano: great to see you back safely no more of those ''funny pictures'' though lol
They do?
Jim#, can one expect from an X-ray woman who had the gall to wear pink (sun)glasses once :-)It's been a pleasant read here in my European morning, all!
Thank you, these Banyan Trees sway the Aja-ic rhythm again ...
LisaG: It's been one of the more refreshing turn of events, in an otherwise chaotic 45 days, to have you posting here again.Oleander: Sounds like Ben Folds was in form. Keep that Raleigh danfest thing in the future projects file, okay?
Steveedan - is THAT gag? No shit?And cool, I'll be there, when it's safe too fly again.
Is there a Fender Rhodes 88 Keys? I promise not to mud up the sound using my left hand too much.
---
Can someone explain this to me;
Oleander is having a conversation with dr Mu on the Blue Pages.
And Oleander is also having a conversation with dr Mu on these Yellow Pages.
?
Sometimes I think those Gringos are planning to take over the world. This is pure Imperialism.
C
what would you consider as THE classics of modern swedish cinema. the legit stuff, of course lol. preferably subtitled.mu, yeah isn't it just a little spooky how rush's situation is like a little stephen king morality play. "so if you WON'T hear the voices of some, then... ". i hardly agree with anything he ever says, but i have sometimes enjoyed hearing him say it. amazing how his arrogance has suddenly been replaced by vulnerability. this will be a hard one to put down.
lp, siouxsie is not among the 10K, but i would be interested to hear that cover. "dear prudence" would probably be hard to jack up.
ole, good to hear from you except for the part where i MISSED ben folds. waaaaaaa. did any of our faithful make it ? the redneck rehearsal dinner was uneventful yet lucrative. please e-me when you are coming to this neck of the woods. ms stevie & myself are still anxious to burn for you.
sometimes i think the intent of "political correctness" can be defined as "increased public niceties" or "enhanced polite civility" towards others. i can see that certain people have difficulty with that and that it seems to anger them greatly. whew ! got issues ? got a subscription, sphincter. get a little smiley face goin' there, bud...
It's a rote!
"What a Drag" anonywhiner -- If and when SD opens up an official GB and I decide to post at all then I'll keep it all SD related until then this is StAl's SIS for steely dan FANS and SD related topics are not the rule. If you're so interested in SD topics then bring them up for discussion. Just make sure it isn't the same boring SD stuff.Concerning tangentially Dan stuff -- someone mentioned a long time ago (several years ago) that Donald Fagen's "Walk Between the Raindrops" might have been based on a Jewish Fairy tale about a Rabbi that could walk between raindrops. I'm not sure if the tale is that old but it could be. While digging through some of her old stuff at my mom's place my baby sister ran across an old book of her's "The Rabbi and the Twenty-nine Witches" by Marilyn Hirsh. It rang a bell with me, so I asked if I could read it. The story is about how the Rabbi rid his peaceful village of the dis