Sign In Stranger Archives -- October 2002

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Well, not actually laughing AT you, just a little in your direction.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: ¦ - no, that's why I am sitting at the yellow all day long, laughing at pathetic, paranoid US-Americans.

StAl - Jon Fishman's band? Oh yes, them.

How could I forget.

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Very sad news about Warren Zevon.
Warren was always on my short list of unique songwriters. You just
can't count on a hell of alot in this life. Mr.Zevon seems to be
handling his prognosis with a certain degree of acceptance and yes,
even humor. That's Warren for you...

Well I went home with the waitress
The way I always do
How was I to know
She was with the Russians too

I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Dad, get me out of this

I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Between the rock and the hard place
And I'm down on my luck

Now I'm hiding in Honduras
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns, and money
The shit has hit the fan

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Tones: Yes. The Kcrim gets bettre and bettre with each listen. The title track deserves air play...catchy (which serves the plebein masses, yet complex which sates the insane...like moi)......really superb stuff.

Aus

User: tones - too fucking rude to respond... and proud of it. | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Angel (sorry I slept through your earlier post... it's a sure sign I'm dozing when you see the screen saver in my eyes kick in), SteeV, others - thanks for answering my query... Four songs huh? I'm going to have to play the PBS version to see if any of them made the broadcast. I seem to remember seeing Do It Again, but I may be confusing it with the Storytellers show...

¯ - Universal swallowed about a third of the major labels about two years ago, and one of those was MCA, which has the Dan' back catalog. So any Universal SD SACD releases would be from "...Thrill" to Gaucho, and I'm guessing Aja because that was the best selling of that period, and the perfect way to sucker... er... entice people into trying a new format. TvsN is/was on Giant, which was a subsidiary of Time/Warner until Warner folded that label last year, but it's a Warner release as everything has been from the Two since Nightfly, so I don't think it'll be on SACD. But this makes an interesting dilemma for us fans: it looks like the "classic" releases are going to be remastered to SACD while the SD mach II releases (Nitefly to the "new one") are probably to be remastered to DVD-A. Looks like we're the luckless pedestrians (Hi there! This is The Day... love that tune!) caught in the middle of the format wars. Oh the humanity!!!

Aus - Glad you like the Kcrim. It's just getting better and better with every listen. Happy B-lated btw...

you too ~... wherever...

Ideas for Steely Halloween costumes:

Charlie Freak

Buzz

a Bodhisattva

Doctor Wu

a major dude... any major dude

Kid Charlemagne

Peg

Josie

Rikki

Janie

Abbie

a third world man

a gaucho

a black cow

a coked out basketball player

a negative girl

a babylon sister

a zombie

a razor boy

a rose, darling

Mr Lapage

King Richard

King John

a kangaroo

a monkey

a skunk

ok... to quote St Al's buddy J.C. Mellonball: stick a fork in my butt and turn me over... I'm done.

t

User: Patty Duke | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Call me Anna

User: Arlean Christman | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: I know how to polka. Is there something wrong with that?

It's my heritage.

Uncle Steve taught me how. He was 93 when he left the world last spring. Had a shot of JD and a cigar every day until he went.

And he like dougnuts also.

Nothing wrong with polkaing about!

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: ...and all polka players!

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Aja I would have thought that you motive to go would be to see the real stories behind the KISS and Judas Priest tribute bands! ;-) YGK -- I did not mean to question your motives which I am sure are quite complex -- especially if you're hooking up with Aus :o)

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Why the hell not? That's why I'm going! ;o)

Aja

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: W1P: that's not why I would go, dude!

ygk

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: I got it - the Minnesota Vikings!!

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: YGK: I'm not trying to discourage your attendance at Tribute, but the girls in the film aint that great looking :(

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Aus-man: blast me when u r planning on seeing Tribute - dancing girls? I'm there!

ygk

User: Svedissshhhh Sheffff | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: I am not funny, vot is vat?

User: ¦ - I'll be here 'til Thursday. Enjoy the lox | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Clas: I *double* dare you to produce a famous Swedish comedian (comedienne) who's funny on purpose or not or any one for that matter...

I thought so...nothing's funny in a monolithic, monophenotypic place that's dark half the year...

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: other happy tunes?

anything by Swing Out Sister (Am I not Your Girl comes to mind, lyrics added to the classic tune Soulful Strut)
Rehumanize Yourself by the Police
Soulmate by Michael Franks
B-52's (duh)
Stockton Gala Days by 10k Maniacs, one of the few that are uplifting
most Brazil 66 like tunes
Shiny Happy People by REM in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way
This is the Day by The The
Cranberries' tunes, some of them, that is

other favorite bands after steely dan?
fleetwood mac
the police
10k maniacs/natalie merchant

my list dates me horribly, doesn't it
get your spike jones cd's out folks, it's halloween!

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: ....and may I add that the opening shot with the Journey Tribute band playing while the girls are doing their thing, still makes me break out in uncontrollable laughter, a month later. What a movie. Go see it. ;-)

User: on second thought... | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: roller coaster might be the tune that carries with it a certain negative story, which may or may not be an urban legend. supposedly during the recording of the track, a man burst into the studio and murdered a person. you can hear her screaming at some point during the song. which is also kindof spooky since jam master jay was shot and killed last night while in a recording studio.

"jam master j
he cuts much higher
sucka MCs
call me sire..."

that's a real bummer :(

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: The Tribute Movie website has not been updated since 9/19 but this is what is says -- PIONEER THEATER (NEW YORK) End of October, Dates TBA

Aussie, Pete Fogel went to a showing of the film and told me he found it highly entertaining. The opening scene is shot in a strip club that had been hosting tribute bands on weekends up til about a year ago -- a strip club that at one time featured Which One's Pink? playing Comfortably Numb while women danced on poles behind the band.

User: happy songs: | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: my sharona - the knack
carlotta valdez - harvey danger
longview - greenday
sister havana - urge overkill
walk between the raindrops - donny fagen
roller coaster (say what?) - ohio players

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: yupper, St. Al: Pork Tornado is a hoot!
Located at:

www.porktornado.com - don't know how they came up with THAT!

Fav tunes include: Kiss my Black Ass, Felini.....

ygk

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: I dunno. I think I'm pretty funny.

Last night was spent rockin' out at the fabulous Showbox to funkified tunings of PORK TORNADO. You people probably get fed up with all my gushing about these damned adolescent jambands, but that's to freaking bad. What a great time. Pork Tornado is Jon Fishman's band (drummer for Phish), who happens to be one of my favorite modern drummers. It was fantastic standing less than 20 feet from him, watching him pound the skins. The guy is amazing. Sound like a cross between Phish, Zappa and The Meters. Great stuff. Closed the show with a little Zombie Woof. Tore the house down! Catch these guys if you can.

So because of that I only saw the last few minutes of the Zevon appearance on Letterman. Turned it off because I didn't want to start balling... Tough to watch.

New Phish CD in the can. Recorded in 4 days... Yes Walt and Don, it can be done! Of course, I'm sure it wont be winning any Grammy's. But WTF. Tour supposed to start in February and span both coasts. YIPPIE!

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Clas: haven't slammed you for a while - thot I lost my touch.....hope you are well and having a fabulous time!

ygk

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Sure does, Mr. Clas-man......we can do pretty much anything we please.......

ygk

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: "The country of Sweden even let him reproduce..." Seems to be a delicate subject for mr Hunter.

Doesn't USA allow you to reproduce, Malc? Or are there no voluntaries available?

Ha!

---

Hutch - yes, I'll look for the show, it'll be Wednesday next week. David Letterman is a funny US-American.

A rare thing.

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Which One's Pink?: I notised that in the current week's issue of Time Out New York (a very well read weekly publication)the documentary "Tribute" is making a comeback to the screen here in the City. I believe that it was part of a mini-film festival starting sometime later this week. Gonna try to catch it when it comes.....

Everyone: Best witches!

Aus

post script: WormTom e-blasted yours truly.....all is well......

User: W1P The Postal Code | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: On Monday Keith Richards sat in with Waddy Wachtel's band at The Joint -- a very small LA club. We're trying to figure out -- does that make him more or less likely to sit in on our show on Sunday?

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: No Steely Don and Walt pumpkins on the ODP, I see....sigh. Webdrone, you let me down. (I know, it's NBC's fault).

Happy Birthday kidlet!!!! We have successfully managed to create a "Knight Who Says Ni" costume, for the birthday boy. What a helmet it is, full of branches and cotton shrubs.

Halloween spirited songs by the Dan. How about, "Don't Take Me Alive"

Don't eat too much candy.

User: ¦ - Biscayne Bay, where the Haitian gentlemen scuba all day | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Hutch: I was listening to The Who Sell Out last week again, and BBC had even weirder fake jazz on their programming in the 60s. The songs on Sell Out are splice between real and fake commercials...

¯: I have a 7 year old son who occasionally thinkgs he's King Charlemagne...oh, here is something that's reposted as much as a a Dan album is remastered

"" Mon, October 28, 2002,á10:54:53
Posted by: ,

RE-post from the Piss Pages:

RE-post from the Blue-Bore:

"Date: Fri, September 27, 2002,á01:25:30
Posted by: DrM¦, Tejas

Hoops,

I have a JVC XV-SA75 player that plays DVD-A, DVD-V, CDs, CD-ROM. CD-R, and CD-RW. Cool graphics, still pics, videos, interactive stuff, liner notes etc are commonly added to DVD-A just as DVD-V features. TVN DVD-A has a few still pics that aren't in the liner notes + some that are. The JVC XV-SA75 does indeed retail for under $300. Well worth it. TvN on DVD-A has the warmth of vinyl, but the noise reduction of CDs and clarity on steroids!

CD specs include:
16 bit sampling (2[16power]) = 65,536
44.1 kHz sampling rate
92 dB dynamic range
600 mB

DVD-A:
24 bit sampling 92[24power]) = 16,777,216
192 kHz rate (2 channel stereo)
144 dB dynamic range
4-8 GB

SACD (Sony and Philips only)
encoding different - pulse density modulation - like fuzzy bits
100 kHz sampling (2 channel)
120 dB dynamic range
test + still graphics only
not made to replace CDs - audiophile only

Both Roger Nichols and Eliott Scheiner I believe have stated that DVD-A will replace CDs within 5 years...

I almost forgot. There is a "universal" chips out now that will play ALL IEEE formats for DVD and CD. They should be available in affordable consumer players in a few short years. " "

King: I do what I can do entertain the troops. Man, what a wacky 48 hours. First the Wellston Memorial - I thought that came from the word "memory," not wild political rally/Clinton yuck it up party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45007-2002Oct31.html

There are also reprots that the Dem machine passed on a very qualified black candidate and maybe the most erudite football player in the NFL - the great Alan Page

Meantime, Haitians in their Sunday best (I'm not kiddling) suddenly appeared in Biscayne Bay...it's funny and sad and actually scary...the DOJ, INS, and Ashcroft are asleep at the wheel!!!!! as far as securing US borders. It's clear a terrrorist could sail into any harbor (ex. pretend to be dockworkers in the union taking in a boat of perishables or circuit boards in LA) with a dirty bomb or worse...hey, anybody catch 24??! Great show - only program I watched regularly last year and will again this year"

...and it takes a village to make a terrorist - who is John Muhammed's village???

"Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 10:40 a.m. EST

Feds Investigating Sniper-Shoe Bomber Link

Federal investigators are wrestling with everything from the rights of a minor to a third suspect to finding credible witnesses in the Va./Md. sniper case, but they are also investigating ties to terrorism.

Muhammad and Malvo are said to have met on the island of Antigua, and the Washington Post reports that a panel of four members, appointed by the Feds, began an investigation of possible links between John Muhammad and Richard C. Reid, the "Shoe Bomber" who tried to blow up a plane on its way from Paris to Antigua last year."

User: jon | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Here's a little exercise: Assuming SD is your favorite musical artist/group, who or what is your second favorite? The commonalities/divergences might make for interesting reading.

Or not...

User: YourGrinningKing | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Dirtball: yes, KOTW makes me happy - it's the music itself, ackchully.

Mollster: don't mind Clas. Ever. His ramblings/racist conjectures/toiletbowl monologues are the most prolific and creative thing he has ever done in his life. The country of Sweden even let him reproduce. The nerve! Just remember, when you see a Clas post, follow the rules of GB, i.e. #49, "When you see senseless bullshit that doesn't interest you in the least, scroll!"

Aja: I saw God last night. He was wearing a Prince Edward suit, Hermes tie, and rather unsightly unmatched blue shirt; drinking joyously and watching as his gorgeous little angels scampered about the room. What a guy - He even bought me a round. He was on his way to see his self-described, "good doctor" and give him his "Act Like God" license. That explains why these little preps at Columbia/Cornell Medical walk around like they own the place or something, even tho they just got off a bus from Ohio.

ygk

User: lcpaul | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Mol - how ya doin' honey. Hope your flak jacket's in good working order.

Just for the record, one of the many SD songs that get me rockin' is "Hey 19".

PS: Thanks for the Halloween card.

Love

Paul

PPS: jjeff - that'd be correct

User: Hutch | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Clas - Yes it was last night. Oct.30th. Try to catch it if you can.

Mu - It's that synth line that really seals the Cheer commercial sound.

I've always been a big Letterman fan. Some of his schtick is getting a little old but I still like the show. Having said that IMO Conan O'Brien has the funniest show on TV.

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: 
Molly - just because people didn't reply to your song question doesn't mean they're rude, or that they haven't got favourite songs of one sort or another. Some posts/questions just get lost in the noise, that's all - it's happened to most of us.

I generally read and post here during my lunch break. With the limited time I have, I scroll a lot, and skip over comments or discussions that I'm not especially interested in. It's no big deal. Discussion groups and guestbooks are all like that. You can post a question that you feel sure is relevant and an interesting springboard for discussion and get no feedback whatsoever. Meanwhile, someone else makes some comment about what they ate for lunch and a two-week discussion ensues. That's just the way things go.

For what it's worth, Green Earrings and Gaslighting Abby (amongst others) usually get my toes going.

Howard

P.S Thanks for the witch-on-a-stick

User: test | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: test

User: ¯ | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: So Mu and all, I've posted a question yesterday and NOONE CARED. What is this? You bunch of elitists! You snobs! You... linguistic racists. ahem So I'll repeat again but just once. Pay attention now.
What would be the album worthy of the "Super Audio" treatment? Since they don't specify any title yet.
Now, they like to fuck with Gaucho a whole lot. But I think it'll be 2VN.
I know, it's lame. Am just testing something here....
b

User: Beerberian WIP | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Aja/jjeff ; You do realise the slightest encouragement will bring more ..... This one's a work in progress inspired/lifted whatever from a piece of artwork by Graham Foster "The Bridge" check it out @ www.grahamfoster.com Browse the gallery some great images I love his desert island colour schemes - maybe inspired by his place of work ?? That blue he uses is how I imagine a Bermudan sea to be (anybody confirm that? - not been myself)....... Anyways try this without the image and visualise the painting first ... if you would

On the bridge stands my confidence but itÆs not really me
Could never quite take the faithful step, let the spirit free
In the shadow remains the comfort anonymous and safe
But you submerged in midstream float by my watching placeà.

Who is that with courage to stride beside your tow?
Could be alternate reality, perhaps IÆll never know
The choice next made dichotomy, which one will you take?
I wait, my runes cast .To commit maybe mistake

Moll; Ultimate SD FT inducer Rikki whereas Foot Stomper is the perennial DSO encore finale Reeeeeelin in the yrs

ps There was a god Hermaphrodites right - now he/she could well f*** themselves or did I dream it all? lol

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: I also saw the Warren Zevon show on Late Night. Very emotional. He was on last week's People Magazine. He seems to been handling it with humor and acceptance. Anyone who's never heard of him will hopefully get his new Cd. He's also working on a new CD already. Apparently, a farewell if that's the case.

Sad News. One of my favorite old school rap artists was shot and killed.
Jam Master Jay of Run-DMC, one of the most groundbreaking rap groups of my era. He was 37. R.I.P.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Hutch - they're showing Letterman with a weeks delay here, was it yesterday? Oct 30?

Molly - don't mind YGK darling, Malcolms world is revolving around Aussie because Aussie's got the cash.

Cyn - okay, I got it. West of London. Bristol, south of Bristol. I'll find my way. And who's this "Pat" Jjeff's talking about? A new cat? Dog??

Never mind.

User: Dirtball Despot, as far as I know | Month: 9 | Day: 31

Message: Hutch... I knew someone here had to go into the Warren Zevon appearance. Good Old Dave. I've never in my life seen that before-- someone who's going to die soon, coming on TV to say goodbye and perform, while he's still "functioning" (horrible word). That song with the strings was "Genius", I believe. I've been meaning to expose self to his last musical quarter century or more.... bad timing.

YGK--- "King of the World" makes you happy??! Post-atomic horror? Well, it must be an acquired taste. Wherever you are, it's a tough room. It follows you around. Wait... if that's cheerful to you, you're the easiest room on Earth.

Molly--- try to remember all the supportive stuff from people here, earlier. Sounds like you're starting to feel the Scorched CyberEarth is coming from all sides, when it's not. Handy solace opportunity to be had for the asking, there. I knows what it feels like, when a barrage from the world appears to be universal. That's a horrible feeling.

"February 31"??!! Ay caramba!! (see below.)

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Hutch - man, I'm really sorry I missed that..on a lighter note I noticed that Jackson Browne is starting to sing more like Warren Zevon on his new one...now if he would only sing Warren's songs...

It's the Cheer-y doubling up of the piano and electric piano before the synth comes over the top and guitar (I think), then the horns..bouncy in a similar way as New Frontier...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: tappin: Janie Runaway, TOOM, YGTII, New Frontier, Girlfriend, Teahouse on the Tracks, Rose Darling, Dr. Wu, Rikki, Razor Boy, My Old School, Bad Sneakers (Plush), Home at Last (St. Louis, '93), Glamour Profession

User: Hutch | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Wow.

David Letterman's sole guest tonight was Warren Zevon. Folks, this was an emotional show. For those who hadn't heard Warren was diagnosed recently with inoperable lung cancer. He's been one of Dave's favorite guests for many years and so this was a farewell appearance. Very sad.
He looked pretty weak and slow walking across the stage when Dave introduced him. But they talked frankly and upfront about it... Warren cracking jokes about how he had a phobia all his life about going to doctors and it was his dentist who told him see one when he complained of being short-winded all the time.
He did three songs. One, from his new album, featured a string quartet. A very surrealistic tune. I didn't catch the title.

His new album is titled "My Ride's Here".

On a lighter note... That little interlude on TOOM from 2:00 to 2:44 always brings a smile to my face. Reminds me of background music for a Cheer commercial. Fake jazz.

Stevee - Everything's cool man!

Hutch

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Yes, the world does revolve around me, but it's only falling in line
with the order of the universe in general.

:)

User: Cyn | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: 
hahahaha..ta, guys..for the laughs. You all never fail me in that dept.

jj..sweetie, darling...kiss..kiss euro-style

clas..I mean't west of London...but then again..I could fly west around the world..then it WOULD be west..nahhh..I'll go east, then west.Are you confused yet?..I am..I'll just have another drink..HA!

dunc..me?..move in with clas ?..one of us would be dead within 24 hrs..and it wouldn't be me..hahaah. Best we have a covert Bassett passing under the cover of darkness.

"psst..pass me the un petite Bassett and a croissant..or the Swede gets it"

YGK..no worries, brother..we still love you..(giggle) Whoaaa..nellyyy!

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Favorite put-down song: Positively 4th Street-Bob Dylan
Favorite flip-da-bird song: Precious-Pretenders.
Favorite fuck all y'all song:...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: angel: Just where is that Subterrainian Tomesick Bruise?

Still in N'awlins?

a happy B-day to him...

User: angel (went worm fishing) | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Aja and any who care....

A foward from the Wonderworm:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for the BD wishes
you can say hi for me on the gb

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Blaise: Good to see you again. You DO know chicken's name, don't you? Whitey :-)

BB: Waxing poetic. Keep it up. Sorry to hear about DSO. Don't give up hope.
Was it the lack of money or time or squabbles?

Duncan:270,59, and 76 are my choices. You've not mentioned any prizes.

Molly: I was impressed by your Casual Gods ref., but then you ruined it all by stamping your feet. How old ARE you? Here's the thing. You throw an idea out. If it gets picked up, great. If it doesn't, nobody dies. I thought I had a great idea of making a map of common road-kills of the world a while back just for a hoot. Nobody bit. I'm not bothered in the least. You're part of the whole not the whole. FYI My Old School 'cause I swear the whole section heard me singing killer harmony tenor in '93.

lcpaul: Feeling better, eh? I suppose you're on booze restriction now.

Stevedan: Yeah, I was thinkin' bout ya.

Cyn: Sweetie, dahling. Give Pats my love.

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Duncan: Not like you need anyone to tell you this or anything, but those pictures you had done are INCREDIBLE! What a photographer! What does that money come out to in American Dollars?

User: Duncan....again | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: ref: cyn/clas
I'm assuming here that sweden is part of the EU, if not ...who cares !!!!
Cyn: move in with clas for a couple of weeks, then ''import'' the dogs from sweden.

hey presto Uk dogs

like we haven't got enough LOL

User: Jackson Brown | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: To Molly- The "Queen of Rude"

GET A FREAKING LIFE SHIT HEAD!

User: Sybil | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Why, I thought the world revolved around me?

But, you really like me, you really like me!!!!!

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: L7....shitlist
happy now ?

User: Aja............SSDD, what else? | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: I see the usual food fights abound on the GB, as well as those posts that make me lol. I love the smell of the GB in the morning.....

Two things you can't take personally on the GB: a. anon flaming (WHY would you take seriously what somebody wrote about you, when that somebody wouldn't know you if you bit them on the ass?) b. when no one answers your question. It happens to everybody.

Today is wonderworm's b-day, where ever he is!

YGK-You're right, the world revolves around Aussie and powdered bread! ;o)

Beerberian-actually, I enjoyed the poetry, but am glad you and the little woman have patched it up (more love on the GB that way).

"Don't Take Me Alive"-that's usually my attitude when I arrive at work each day.......

Aja

User: King of the World | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Randy--- funny. On another board i found i was enjoying being labelled as a "buzzkill".

Molly----- Happiest songs ever recorded: I Should Have Known Better, Beatles/Peg/Jackie Wilson Said, Van Morrison.

Stimulation of the brain with subtle or indirect humor adds greatly to the transcendant rush from SD. Lately "My Rival" has grown on me for this reason. Time Out of Mind qualifies. Only A Fool... Brooklyn, in calmer way. Re humor element again-- I Got The News, Everything You Did... all those penultimate jealousy and/or sleazy sex songs. "Everyone's Gone to the Movies". "Bodhissatva!"

As much as we may know that no one's obligated to respond to a question thrown out onto the board, one can be forgiven for occasionally over-reacting and getting pissed when it happens. We're human. I know what that feels like.

Mu--- thanks for all the cool info sites.

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Molly, Dearest, me thinks you are taking this whole place WAY to seriously.......
I mean all of us have put out topics which were ignored, but just because you're ignored doesn't make a personal statement about you, unless you want to take it that way.
I think Aja had it right. You do make yourself an easy target......
Sheesh - you turn on a dime......whatever.

But whatever opinion you have of me through this forum really doesn't matter all that much to me, because you don't know me.......
So take a chill pill and relax, go fuck YOURself while your at it (that way, we can have our mutual sex together) and if you put out a topic that gets ignored, let it be.
That's all for me........ciao!

ygk

User: Molly......................yawn | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: YGK- umm so it's ok if Dano or someone else asks a "mundane" question? What pray tell should we all discuss? I've already been criticized for my flirtations. I suppose now you and the other members of the SIS Gestapo are dictating the content and subject matter of what is acceptable to post? For the record I've asked about 4 inquiries such as the one you're giving me hell about.... NONE were ever answered. I won't bore you with the opinion I've formed of you, however it starts with a P instead of an A. I really wish you'd stop projecting your past troubled relationships with women onto me. Let me be real emphatic about this Malc, GO FUCK YOURSELF!
To the anonymous poster.......GET A SET!

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Steeve - yes, it's the legs.

And the RD 700 is very inspiring. And it's range is so wide, I have to have rollerskaters to reach the highest and/or the lowest notes. My arms aren't long enough!

The cool thing with it are the inbuilt drumgrooves. Great keyboard, I just love it.

The Doo Doo Ap!-choires are just too funny. Great strings, organs and brass.

I like the Wurlitzer best. And of course, the acoustic Rock Piano's. But the main thing is the keys, the piano feel.

Damn, I am a Star, there in my livingroom.

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Paige (2617) That's Denny Diaz. If you have the Countdown To Ecstasy album (I don't remember if the photo is included on the CD) you will find a photo of the band and Denny is included. It will prove to you that the person you are asking about is indeed Denny.

Clas - you are right, it's a Wurlitzer. Even though the shape of the housing above and behind the keybed is similar to a Fender Rhodes, the straight (perpendicular to the floor) legs is the "dead-giveaway". This is definitely a Wurly.

How's the new keyboard ? Still fun ?

I'm still playing catch-up with you all ...

Steveedan

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Cyn - moving west? Taunton? Either you go north to Taunton, Mass, or east, Taunton, Great Britain, am I wrong again?

And hey, how much for that Disposer?

Molly - the title song from Jackson Brownes The Naked Ride Home makes me tap de toe:

Just take off your clothes and I'll drive you home I said
Knowing she never could pass on a dare
And knowing it sounded more desperate than reckless or bold
I just put it out there cold, too far gone to care

My eyes on the road, she slid herself down in the seat
And a vision of paradise swung into view
Across those five lanes not one driver glanced over to see
The beauty known only to me, and a big rig or two

On that freeway the light was receding
Her beauty, a sight so misleading
I failed to hear the heart that was beating alone
On the naked ride home

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Hi Tones (Re: your post # 2604) ...

I cannot divulge how I came accross this ... but I have seen another video for the Plush DVD. It was a rehearsal of the show that was shot a few days later (which became the DVD). It has 4 songs that were not on the DVD - Home At Last, West Of Hollywood, Do It Again, and Deacon Blues. No I do not own a copy of it. This one is NOT BEING TRADED. I'm just happy to have had the opportunity to see it.

Steveedan

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: OK, so I'll look like an ass, and I really don't care, so call me an ass if you dare, but I'll just point this out:

Mollster: us Frickin-rude folks, I believe, may not be responding due to the fact that they've been to Dan-fests where inevitably, the question pops up, "what's your favorite this or that?" which, to this listener, strikes me as mundane. And you must know that we really don't wait on baited breath to see what you post - *wink* wink, smooches and hugs galore.
The world, believe it or not, doesn't revolve around you.
It revolves around Aussie.

Having said that,

(and the Greek chorus goes, "asssssssss hoooooooooooooole")

the Album Aja is one of my faves, and continually transports be beyond any problem I may be having - the Title track is the ultimate, but also Peg and a few others. Babylon Sisters always does it for me, as does King of the World.

ygk

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: And this has been going around the FS today....

This is a true Real Abby column reading:

Dear Abby:
I have been engaged for almost a year. I am to be married next month. My
fiancTe's mother is not only very attractive but really great and
understanding. She is putting the entire wedding together and invited me to
her place to go over the invitation list because it had grown a bit beyond
what we had expected it to be.

When I got to her place we reviewed the list and trimmed it down to just
under a hundred ... then she floored me. She said that in a month I would be
a married man and that before that happened, she wanted to have sex with me.
Then she just stood up and walked to her bedroom and on her way said that I
knew where the front door was if I wanted to leave. I stood there for about
five minutes and finally decided that I knew exactly how to deal with this
situation. I headed straight out the front
door...There, leaning against my car was her husband, my father-in-law to
be. He was smiling. He explained that they just wanted to be sure I was a
good kid and would be true to their little girl. I shook his hand and he
congratulated me on passing their little test.

Abby, should I tell my fiancTe what her parents did, and that I thought
their "little test" was asinine and insulting to my character? Or should I
keep the whole thing to myself including the fact that the reason I was
walking out to my car was to get a condom?

ygk

User: Depth Con 1 | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: . Molly killed Paul Wellstone. He had read too much of her babble, and just couldn't handle life as it was. I heard this from the "Source".And looky here, she feels dissed because no one answered her back in a timely manner, Who's next? Democrate or Republican?

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: hey cyn, thanks! - you won't believe how cleansing it is to give your house an enema in preparation for a move - yes, a remote island it surely is - here is the maine quote for the day: "his family tree looks like a telephone pole" (heard that in a staff meeting this morning, had to hold back laughing too much, classic!)

molly - i did answer you: bodhi, time out of mind - but even the most skeeviest of songs makes me laugh, the lines are hilarious, like, my rival, cousin dupree, everything you did, kid charlemagne, etc

repeating my question now: thoughts on android warehouse? anyone?

thanks for the tip on charlie parkers band, i heard it! very cool

need that citrus stuff for my car, it still reeks!

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: 
The songs that fill me with twisted appreciation for the dark, ominous irony of the lyrics, the foreboding quality of the arrangements, and the generally dour sense of discomfort and concern they are designed to elicit are "Don't Take Me Alive," "Everything You Did," "The Royal Scam," "Junkie Girl," and "Surf and/or Die"...

Does that count as a contribution for "Songs That Make Me Happy or Make My Toes Tap"?

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Flame | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: hey, dammit, what I want to know is:
Who Killed Paul Wellstone?

()

User: Molly...... ? | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Hi everybody.....Well I asked a very simple question to my fellow Banyan Trees members. I know it wasn't particularly profound.... perhaps it wasn't as enlightened or entertaining as much that is posted here. However, it did pertain to music.
WHAT SONGS GET YOUR TOES TAPPING OR MAKE YOU FEEL HAPPY WHEN YOU HEAR THEM? (Steely's songs specifically)
Since no one but Aja even bothered with a response.. I can only conclude that there are no songs make you guys happy. The only other thing to consider is that everyone (with the exception of Aja )is too F***ing rude to even respond.
My evil conspiracy continues. BILL I WILL HAVE YOU!!!!!!!!!

User: ......... | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Did you take your mother's name so you could sleep easily?
She took you back too late and now you never even call
Did you take that money drawer while she was praying?
They said you disappeared just like water down a drain

Why'd you call me me?
Must be bad
Disappointed man, where've you been?
Hide yourself so well in this city disappointed man?

Did you sell your fathers ring so you could stay one more night?
It shone like his glass eye in the worn velvet case
Did you fill this hired room with guilty words?
Your white piano hands flutter like poison birds

Why'd you call me?
Must be back
Disappointed man, where've you been?
Hide yourself so well in this city disappointed man?

-Freedy Johnston

User: Beerberian | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Mr Digital;

Watching the birds

As they sail on the wind

One day to fly

Ian Bairnson, Scott English

User: 1100010100101 | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Just a charcoal sketch on canvas
Made them laugh but now they see
That the artist had a vision
That the wind could set us free
It's a bridge until tommorrow
Taking us beyond the sun
As the artist paints his picture
The story's just begun

Analyzing, criticizing
Fear of the unknown
Theorizing, visualizing
The road to take us home
If it takes forever, someone's gonna fly
We may never get to heaven
But still we're gonna try

User: Stoopid Advert (take one) | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: This is Martha.
This is the joint that Martha bought.
This is the dealer who sold the joint that Martha bought.
This is the little girl that was killed by the dealer who sold the joint that Martha bought.
This is your government and its stoopid drug policies, without which none of this is possible.

User: Cyn | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: 
Clas, Dahhhling...For starters I'm not moving to London...I'm moving to the West ...about 40 miles south from Bristol..Loverly town of Taunton.And there is a verrry special someone...he happens to live there too. Coincidence?..I think not! But thanks for the offer of a Flat...haahah! Oh yeahhh...Indie and Pompe' walking down the Champs'..acting French..WAIT!..Indie is french (un petite Basset)..that explains the attitude.

Thanks for all the good wishes...GB Folk (and you know who yous are).If lp can move lock, stock and barrel to some remote Island..I can certainly make this move...she inspires me.

FOR SALE: EVERYTHING! (including the trampoline and a lovely colbalt blue kitchen sink)

User: ¯ | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: SACD, now eh? Which SD album will get the Super Audio treatment?
http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1476

JOHN ALLAN MUHAMMAD

The chickend, he crost the fucking road to stopp traffic, den he checkt my car out and lett me go. He my bitch, man.

User: Beerberian QSK | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: global potentate of doom: I can assure you Ms tzuke is alive and well AND making the music of her career @ the mo' You are correct in the EJ ref In December 1999, Elton John decided to return the copyrights to Judie for her first three albums (originally released on Eltons Rocket label), and re-mastered versions of "Welcome To the Cruise", "Sportscar", and "I Am The Phoenix" were re-released on Big Moon in February 2000. The very nice Mr John did this for free ....

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: STEEVE DAN

5000 years ago, God promised us Chickens to cross any fucking road we want to cross.

User: Existentially Speaking | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: another take on the age old question....:

WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?

GEORGE W. BUSH
I don't think I should have to answer that question.

AL GORE
I invented the chicken. I invented the road.
Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented
the application of these two different functions of
government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring
greater services to the American people.

RALPH NADER
The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road
had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed.
The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the
other side of the road because it was crushed by the
wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV.

PAT BUCHANAN
To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American.

RUSH LIMBAUGH
I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but
I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross
the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already
forming a support group to help chickens with
crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How
much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens
crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and
when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money,
money the government took from you to build roads for
chickens to cross.

MARTHA STEWART
No one called to warn me which way that chicken was
going. I had a standing order at the farmer's market
to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain
level. No little bird gave me any insider information.

JERRY FALWELL
Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't
you people see the plain truth in front of your face?
The chicken was going to the "other side." That's what
they call it - the other side. Yes, my friends, that
chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will
become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we
sort out this abomination that the liberal media
whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like "the
other side."

DR. SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes! The chicken crossed the road,
But why it crossed, I've not been told!

ERNEST HEMINGWAY
To die. In the rain. Alone.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
I envision a world where all chickens will be free to
cross roads without having their motives called into
question.

GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the
road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the
road, and that was good enough for us.

BARBARA WALTERS
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be
listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the
heart-warming story of how it suffered a serious case
of molting and went on to accomplish its life-long
dream of crossing the road.

JOHN LENNON
Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace.

ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road
It was a historical inevitability.

SADDAM HUSSEIN
This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were
quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on
it.

VOLTAIRE
I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will
defend to the death its right to do it.

RONALD REAGAN
What chicken?

CAPTAIN KIRK
To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

FOX MULDER
You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many
more chickens have to cross before you believe it?

SIGMUND FREUD
The fact that you are at all concerned that the
chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying
sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES
I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not
only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your
important documents, and balance your checkbook and
Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken.

ALBERT EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road
move beneath
the chicken?

BILL CLINTON
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do
you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken please?

THE BIBLE
And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto
the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the
chicken crossed the road, and there was much
rejoicing.

COLONEL SANDERS
I missed one?

User: Beerberian flashback 1979 | Month: 9 | Day: 30

Message: Dunc; You can scroll this one ..... LOL

Aja; It was written after a row with Morag (something & nothing really) I just extrapolated the mood A LOT .........lol For "she left me" actually read, went to see her mom for a night - BUT I do sulk for England when we fall out ..... which is not that often, considering she has put up with me for nearly 20 yrs - she deserves a medal .Anyways All forgiven and sorted mwahh ! Now all I've got to confess is that I pasted our life all over the net ROFLMFAO ...........It was the first (and maybe last time) I took a real situ amd wrote about it .....albeit much exaggerated from reality ...and the last line about brew ???? can I have that back please It is so shite !!! LOL

Its not something I've done since teens !!!! just playin' about really I weaved in a load of Judie Tzuke refs for a twist - it amused bluz (big fan .... me too !! ) We are the Tzuke-subversive secret agents amongst you .... you WILL listen to this Lyrical Lady with tress of gold and voice of purest imperfection ...eh ? www.tzuke.com please give it a go - and dload the "one minute" mp3 at the very least ... hey what the hell buy "Queen Secret Keeper" - If ya don't like it - I'll give you your $$$ back ....

angel; I'm afraid that it would be safe to say that the DSO as it existed is well an' truly split ... We still await (for various and painful reasons) a reform of some elements - It may be as minimal as a 4 piece last heard.
Biggest shame is that The 12 assembled @ that juncture would/could have stood toe to toe against ALL as purveyors of the finest SD fayre - The trip we made to Coventry is etched upon my mind !!!

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Russert

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Weekly Dead Vote Update:

http://www.detnews.com/2002/politics/0210/29/a01-625516.htm

From the virtual desk of Mutt Dredge:

DATELINE 9:36 EST Nuevo York

An aide for Generalissimo Francisco Franco, Bjorn Ajenmei FrTun has announced that the former Spanish dictator, well-known for the longest death bed watch ever and the first running SNL joke, will run next week as a Senatorial candidate next Tuesday in the state of New Mexico. This as the latest high profile member of the Pushin' Up Daises Party, a new branch of the Green Party.

The mainstream media was shocked, but agreed: anything to keep the Republicans from making a power grab at the Senate. A puzzled Peter Jennings was quoted as saying, "I didn't even know that New Mexico was part of the US!"

Tom Daschle was sited loading a wagon train of buses filled with Native Americans and slot machines to head to New Mexico from South Dakota as the tail end of a week of EXTREME VOTING. "If we can punch a thousand ballots a piece, screw the hanging chads!" Daschle was overheard this evening. "I'm not sure where New Mexico is exactly, but if follow Route 666 or head in the opposite direction as the cattle drives or simply keep the sound of drinkin', whorin', and wild gunfire from the state of Texas on our left, and that's just the executions, then we should be OK."

Meantime, John Ashcroft was baffled as to whether to let in hundreds of potential voters from Haiti into the country today in Miami. "In an effort to secure the country, we will arrest all Widows, especially in Missouri, and provide all illegal aliens with White Vans driven by former Attourney Generals in blue dresses" When cornered by NBC reporter Tim Russell, Ashcroft broke down and admitted that INS actually stands for "Is Noone Safe?"

User: global potentate of doom................................... | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Happiness on this board? I've stamped out the very concept of happiness retroactively, so that it now has never existed. I'm very appreciative that my computer code things have proven the non-existence of Molly's Evil Conspiracy to fill the Internet with vaguely flattering remarks about her. Actually, her verbiage alone i think shows that the motion must be there, but what would i know, and who the hell do i think i am, commenting on this at all. Have i just inadvertantly made things worse? Of course!

All i know of Judie Tzuke is that she was a protege of elton john's about 22 years ago, and wrote a fair song wit' him on an otherwise bad album from back then ("Give Me The Love").

The song "Gaslighting Abbie" continues to have more and more significance in my life.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Well, this should fix things...NOT!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$U3QMBWCFMGMNVQFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2002/10/29/umid.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/10/29/ixport.html

I got nothing here - just enjoy the English colloquialism "sacked"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/29/uangus.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/10/29/ixport.html

etymology? brothers and sistahs over the pond?

Mol: see above..gotaat go help with some homework...as always, remove NOSPAM...

User: Moll checking in....... | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Well it's worse than I suspected.... There are NO happy people in Banyan Trees Land... *sighs* Alas...it's as you suspected my Viking. Actually it explains much!
Dr Mu- may I have your e-mail address? Mine is posted above in e-mail thingy. Please contact me.
LcPaul- Hi! I hope you're feeling better Sweetness. Nice to see your posts.
BB- the old ground fog troubling you my friend? I'll keep you in my thoughts. I love David Gray's new CD BTW. What do you think about it?
Also went to Judy's site...very nice!
Boom Boom- sometimes a person has to want to save themselves. In all liklihood you were thinking of jumping before you met the lady. Try rappelling.......all the fun... but minimal risk. As Jerry Harrison writes: On the wire that is living.. You can forget the rest. They say we can't survive.. but a life like this keeps me alive.
I never was afraid of dying.. only not really living.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Aja: I refer you to 2586

User: Dave | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Chain Lightning?

Mr Rick Derringer

User: boom ... boom | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: I was walking along a narrow ledge very high up on a clifftop,when I saw a lovely lady walking towards me.There was no room for us both to pass.What a dilemma! I didn't know whether to block her passage or toss myself off.

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Results in from last month's family portrait session.
Im very pleased, considering i'm on most of them.
UK residents.. check out ventureportraits.com

the rest of you... guess which one's i bought !!!!

I could only afford 3 & they cost us ú1100.00 !!!!!!!!!!!

Kids ehh !!!!!

db

http://www.lindunk.co.uk/gallery/gallery.cgi?Category=3

Part of my job at home is to maintain the computer.
Imagine my face last week when Linda had me load works 95... Just so she could print a jobs to do list !!!
It gets better ''professer'' franklin... just to frame a picture.

It's no wonder i keep deleting all her pictures..

Linda + a4 picture/scanned = 56mb+

Me thinks we need to spend less time in the bedroom !!!!

Beers: great poem
Dano: i Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo need a drink !!!

User: Aja......attention: Steely Dan q! | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Was listening to "Katy Lied" in the car at lunch-that is definitely a fall album. "Chain Lightning" especially. Newbie q: who is the guitarist? I just love that groove.

Aja

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Mu: Oops, I did it again. Sorry teacher.... :-(
Take 2:
Clas, that was Jim Gordon and Jeff Porcaro.... LOL

Aja: Advance notice, ha! We didn't know until 11A that morning, if it was a go or not. Life with an almost 12 year old, they just can't make up their minds. I hear it will get worse, as the years pass. So we only saw the campground at Santee Lakes. We were back home by 12P on Sunday. Maybe the next time the Damned play, we can hook up.

Beerberian: Are you saying the Danny Steel Orchestra is no more?

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Cyn - London has nothing to offer for anyone. Move to Stockholm. I could put you up in an apartment in the finer parts of town.

Just you'n me honey.

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: CYN-I went to London, England ten years ago to celebrate my college graduation. England should have plenty to offer you. Good Luck.

Special congrats to Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick, parents of a baby boy. WOO HOO!

User: Aja......and how could I forget? | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Cynny! You're moving to England? You go, girl! Am sorry I missed visiting the ponies, but you sound very happy. Those are some fine sons you're raising, and I'm sure you're mighty proud. Stay in touch! ;o)

Aja

User: Aja..........indulging in chocolate therapy | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: I love a multi-topicked (sp?) GB......

I can't figure out if Beerberian has had a nasty break-up, or his favorite pub closed down.......

I'm torn between being creative on a Mac or efficient on a PC.....

angel-where were you when you had that long night? Next time you're down drop me a line and let's meet up!

Aja

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: LP - apropos Bodi, has anyone heard Toto's version of that one, on their latest album?

I can see on pics that the guys in Toto got new Plastic Teeth... or are they made in China?

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: I seriously can't understand this discussion Mac vs PC.

I've been working with PC since 1991. Vector-graphic-based programmes like Arts & Letters and Corel Draw. Pagemaker for brochures and more font-friendly things. For Mac there were Illustrator, Quark Express and other similar programmes.

The only problem I had being a PC-user in early 90's was the problems with Photosetters, they were Mac-based and it was hell when I needed film RIPped out (raster image process). It worked one time out of ten. I had to make strange .prn files and stuff. Uhh. "Print to file", brrrrr... "sorry, there's something wrong with your file..."

Nowdays there's no problem, I get Mac files from Mac users, I use Photoshop on PC, Illustrator (if I want to, Corel Draw is better, it's a Canadian programme) etc etc.

And I know people sitting with Mac working with ProTools or Video editing, going crazy over the unstability.

I can admit that PC was a little hell in the beginning, unstable, connecting a printer to the computer made you leave for the ceiling, strange messages as "Windows couldn't find the file sos.dll in win.ini, restart the computer now or later?"

"Windows couldn't find fuck.exe which is needed for this programme, check your configurations in win.ini, but don't touch anything"

"Couldn't configurate the mouse proberly, wanna restart the computer or just kill yourself? Push F4 for the latter."

But that's not the case today.

---

Ange/Mu - I haven't heard Parkers Band for a long time, did so last nite, and I've never noticed the two drummers. Cool.

Cyn - you son of a... gun! You went to Britain without me? Is there someone else I should know about? Be straight forward, I am a man, I can take it. And of course, I'll bring in Indie from Paris, we'll take the train under the channel. Nemas problemas.

But first they have to walk Champs Elysses together. What a sight!

Sorry to hear about Hanni. Uhhh, that must be awful.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: angel: [whispering] It's Jim Gordon and Jeff Porcaro on dueling drums in Parker's Band...

ICPaul & YGK - enjoyed those, and most were new to me...the oboe and bassoon baseball joke cracked me up...

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Some interesting and frightening thots in this article. Chaos theory in practice. Strange Attractors:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/SiliconInsider/SiliconInsider_021029.html

ygk

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: well, i finally trained my yahoo launch station to play more steely dan - lately, they are playing many tracks from "android warehouse" - any comments on this?

cyn - welcome back dearie!

uplifting steely dan songs - if peaceful suffices as uplifting, then aja would be a good pick, as well as Bodhi, Time Out of Mind

cold and clear with white caps on the bay and more stores closed up for the year

free advice for today - do NOT take your trash to the transfer station inside your station wagon with the heat on

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Hoops...

Yet another great post. It's great to hear from someone that has spent so much time researching the issue.

Not to continue the endless argument....

I'm the first to admit my ignorance regarding the debate. I have just enough information to get myself in trouble.

I'm also the first to admit that my arguments in favor of the Mac and the Apple Company in general are not based on anything truly technical. However, I am not alone. It seems to me that while Macs represent around 6% of the market (you would probably have a more accurate figure), many of their owners are quite passionate about their choice. It also appears to me that those choices are often based on "passion" then "reason." Of course there are many Mac users that are not passionate about their computers...they are what they are...tools.

There was an unofficial survey done a number of years ago...Not sure for what purpose....not even sure it is to be believed. The survey basically asked people what political party they supported and then asked them what kind of computer they used. Now, I don't remember the exact results, but I think Democrats generally used Macs while Republicans tended to use PC's.

Of course, many feel that liberal Democrats tend to be more "passionate" about certain issues and maybe liberal sensibility plays some role in their choices.

I suppose that all I am saying is that I don't think it is easy for everyone to understand the "passion" that exists in some Mac users. Does this mean that there is not passionate PC users...of course not? It does tell me...rightly or wrongly, that some "passionate" Mac users apply a different barometer in their view of this "tool."

While I have raised both of children on Macs...I hardly think that they will be as passionate about their computers as I am. They live in a different period where the memories of corporate wrangling and its history doesn't exist.

Finally...one of my "passionate" complaints (that will also be ignored) is the fact that in our society...the better system...the more "elegant" system lost out to what became a corporate giant with little regard for the kind of quality, innovation and dedication we has seen from Apple. For me...the end user is the one that suffers.

It reminds me of a statement made many years ago against capitalism. In 1933, an inventor created a tire that (for all intense and purposes) was wear proof and certainly puncture proof. Because of the period of time in the rubber industry, Firestone, Goodyear (I assume) and Cooper tire and rubber companies could not allow for this "new" tire to be introduced into the market. It could have (and probably would have) hurt the established tire companies and was probably a threat to the economy. Naturally, the communists played on this fact stating....how many of your Americans have you killed on your highways because of tire failure, etc. in order to preserve these corporations.

Now before I am accused of being communist, I merely find the story interesting and understand why events took place the way they did.

Maybe the analogy is weak when talking about the Macintosh...Indeed, no one has been killed using a PC (at least I don't think so). But the point still stands. A better product (in my humble opinion) has lost out to a company that was obsessed with the bottom line. (Yes...so was Steve Jobs...but in a different way...and therein lies the difference).

Not unlike Beta that lost out to VHS, many feel that Beta was a better format producing a better quality product.

All this being said...I do not expect people to fully understand why I feel the way I do about Apple and it's products. Something will be lost in the translation and the rest lost to apathy due to that dead horse being beaten once again.

I have used both systems and I simply feel that the Mac system (hardware and software) is a more elegant and intuitive product, which directs its designs with the end user in mind. Yep...they want money too. They are no different than any other company. But I honestly do not feel that they would sacrifice "quality" for the bottom line.

-Paige

User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Dano; DSO RIP beyond all hope .. No view of a Phoenix as yet ... watching for signs as ever

You are the phoenix, I am the fire
You are the plane and I am your flyer

Judie Tzuke/Mike Paxman
Paul Muggleton/Bob Noble

User: Cyn | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Dano...was there for opening day at Newmarket...just watch it on the telly tho..I was at opening day in Taunton...Lost 60 quid to a horse named Vincent Van Gogh...ours was coming up first...and he just passed him. Funny thing is..we'd had a discussion here at my home on how to pronounce Van Gogh back in Aug. when Alan first came over...hahahahaha. Next time I'll go with my gut feeling...we woulda won about 1000 pounds if we'd picked him.
Dunc..I did some research on the pet thing..maybe they haven't updated the site. As it stood only the US and Cananda were excluded from the "pet scheme"....but they were going to change that.I'll check on it when I get back there.

Hopes to see yous guys there soon...I use Alans cell while I'm there..will e-mail yous the number..(yous?) yikesss!

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Q: Why did the guitarist put drum sticks in his dashboard window?
A: so he could park in handicapped parking

Q: What do you call a guitarist with no girlfriend?
A: homeless

Q: How do you get a guitarist to turn down?
A: put a chart in front of him

Thanx to Aus, Babes, Feff, Morty and Petrosian

ygk

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Last night at Izzy's Bar in the East Village, New York City, our own Malcolm Hunter (YGK) and his latest incarnation called CORE played for a small, yet very appreciative crowd in the venue's cozy basement.

The trio (Bill Burt, Bass Guitar; Peter Ray, Percussion; Malcolm Hunter, Keyboards) has much to offer from their new effort, scheduled to be released soon....groovy, and imbued with infectious jazz threads, the band blends along nicely fronted with Malcolm's raspy New York accented voice....and Mr. Burt's voice too was silky smooth with a dash of attitude.

The room, with about 30 people were afflicted with head bopping syndrome and by the gig's end, the intimate gathering was screaming for more.....of course, CORE indulged the crowd and wrapped up nicely to round out a terrific evening of music.

Could do more colour but it'll wait until the group's next gig....

Aus

User: lcpaul | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Don't know if these have been posted before, but if they haven't, enjoy!

Q: What do a sax solo and premature ejaculation have in
> common?
> A: You know it's coming and there's nothing you can do about
> it.
>
> Q: What will you never say about a banjo player?
> A: That's the banjo player's Porsche.
>
> Q: What do a trombone and a lawsuit have in common?
> A: Everyone is relieved when the case is closed.
>
> Q: What's the first thing a girl singer does in the morning?
> A: Puts on her clothes and goes home.
>
> Q: What's the difference between an oboe and a bassoon?
> A: You can hit a baseball further with a bassoon.
>
> Tuba Player: "Did you hear my last recital?"
> Friend: "I hope so."
>
> Relative minor: A guitarist's girlfriend.
>

User: lcpaulagain | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Oh yeah, and the new Jagger/Richards composition "Keys To Your Love" off "Forty Licks" joins my list of favourite love songs, maybe even tops it.

Wanted to share that as well.

Cheers.

Paul

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Aja: Actually, I spent the longest night of the year (time wise) tent camping in San Diego. Next time we are definitely finding an electric outlet for our aero beds. No more sleeping on the ground for me. Checked out Rockola's gig at the Fall Frenzy (Bob does a mean Jim Morrison and not a bad Grace Slick, either.) Spoke to Miz Ducky for a few minutes, too. It was good to see her and she does look pretty damn happy in her new southern nesting place.

Parker's band has Jim Hodder and Jeff Porcaro on Drums. (Mu pointed that out to me). :-)
They used that drum configuration when touring in '74. My favorite cut from that tour is "The Boston Rag". You can really hear that it is 2 drums right at the top.

Steveedan: You beat me to The Angel's comment. Woohoo!!!!!

Touch screen voted yesterday. What a cool thing! If you live in California, just take your ballot and go. No preregistration required. The have them set up in lots of shopping centers and such. Check out page 2 in the voters sample ballot for a location near you. Beats a hanging chad any day.

User: lcpaul | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Jeez - listened to "Book of Liars" off "Alive in America" last night - it really cooks and is fast becoming my favourite.

Just wanted to share that with you all.

Love

Paul

User: Dano | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Cyn , with your knowledge of the Gee Gee`s you must be looking around Newmarket!!
Let me know when you are over on my e-maail and we will see if i can get you a few winners.

Duncan , Beer , DSO?? Are they up and running again??

Dano.

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: 
Larry Carlton was a late addition to the sessions for 1975's 'Katy Lied,' which is why he is only featured playing rhythm guitar on "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More"; Fagen is quoted as saying they would have utilized him more had he arrived sooner, which is why when that opportunity came later on (for the 'Royal Scam' sessions), he was used so extensively.

I doubt Steely Dan would allow the failure to credit Michael McDonald for keyboard contributions to pass on repeatedly (original album credits, numerous CD releases, box set) if he HAD actually played keyboards on the 'Katy Lied' sessions.

Though there are photographs of Steely Dan in the studio for the 'Katy Lied' sessions (as in Barney Hoskyn's book "Waiting For The Sun") with Michael McDonald sitting at a keyboard, that doesn't mean any of his work made the final cut (thus the lack of a credit). He may have been asked to "sit in" in order to try something out, or (being a keyboard player) he may have simply played a bit between takes of his harmony vocal contributions. If one has expensive auxillary session players at their disposal (Michael Omartian), it is likely they are used as much as possible in order to make full use of their talents.

"Everywhere around me / I see jealously and mayhem" - Steely Dan, 'Night by Night'

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Cyn: great news for you & yours.
You can get a pet passport now & avoid the quarantine sentence

User: Cyn | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: hahaha....you guys are too damn funny, for your own good! I'm back from a lovely 11 days in England. It was a great trip and sorry I didn't catch up with Dunc and Dano this time.Did meet up with Face and The "Vet" after a day at opening Races (Point to Point type), we started out at a pub...and laughed our way all thru a chinese 6 or 8 course dinner.I lost count of how many courses...and that poor waiter....hahahah..had to send him away 3 times before he even took our drink order. They stayed the night at Alans and we got up to Face cooking a delicious breakfast. Which kept us stuffed all day.pssst..Face!...Hey Ewe!
Now, I'm leaving again on the 6th until the 18th... to go house hunting.Yep, you got it..I'm moving to England..YIPEEE!Probably right after Christmas....we can't wait to move.

Clas...I need you to help smuggle Indie in...hahaha,he'll be all microchipped and all..just want to avoid the 6mos quarentine...and you can take animals in from the Continent without having to do that.We'll meet you and Lena in Paris for the handover..hahhaa! I'll be the one in the black beret...Alan will have on black sunglasses...and we'll be in a black Audi.This is Black Ops...I have this image of clas walking Indie and Pomp down a road...what a pair..Bassett and Great dane all wearing black berets and sunglases...HA!
On a sadder note..I had to have my old Lab Hanni put down last Sat..he was my best friend and had soaked up so many of my tears this past year..and stayed up with me on nights I couldn't sleep. He died peacefully in my arms surrounded by his boys and friends. He is truly missed.My eldest really grew up that day.He and a friend dug Hanni's grave under the pear tree...and after he sat with him for while, he carried him out there.I am very proud of him..it was a torturest task.

lp..I saw John Mayer at a small venue, and it was BEFORE he got "big"...he was very likable..and sounded great. But as you said ..I felt like I was at a teenybopper concert.

Jim# and Mrs#...I have long email for you all..look for it today!

snakie...Where are youuuuuuuu?..I sent email from Alans..did ya get it?

BTW,.. my best day in England was dragging Alan to Glastonbury Abbey and making him do "tourist" stuff..the pained expression on his face..priceless.Dragged him kickin' and screamin'...hahahaha!

User: Steveedan and his pet squirrel | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Still reading, still catching up a little ...

jjeff - I know you were thinking of me when you wrote about the flying squirrel. Thank you. I will never forget that vacuum cleaner incident. That is still one of the funniest things I have ever seen posted here. It's like something that you could file under "Modern Blunders of Home Economics" or something like it. Boy, that must have been one pissed-off squirrel ... and now you've got one on ice in a birdhouse. Get some wool for the poor critter. You are certainly one of the good guys, and King of the Squirrel Kingdom ... Sir Robin, Sir Robin ...

Stevee(HaHaHa)Dan

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Jonny wrote: - Post # 2481:
"I can't get over how much like Fagen the front man in Steeve's cover band sounds. It's amazing. Why don't you guys come out East and play some gigs?"
- posted on October 22, 2002 09:34

Thank you very much Jonny !!! That's our big lead man Warren. He, like Donald F., was born in New Jersey, so he has his pedigree so to speak (or sing). Please write to us at our website using one of our e-mail spots. I would like to discuss this idea with you further. In the meantime, on behalf of the band, I would like to thank you again for this kind message.

I am so far behind in reading the guestbook ... our gig went great last Thursday night ... our numbers are increasing ... both in those attending the gigs and our set list. We went with a 10-piece band this time. We were competing with the 6th World Series game (the only one I didn't watch) where Anaheim pulled a rabbit (or was that Mickey) out of a hat, crept past San Francisco, and then, went on to game # 7 to win !!! A Hollywood script writer couldn't have scripted it any better ... unless he wanted the team from Northern California to win.

Well, it's back to reading all the letters that await me from here to the present.

I hope all is well ... Rock on, be excellent to one another, etc, etc.

Stevee(up all night ... again !)Dan

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 29

Message: Has anyone noticed there's two drummers on "Parkers Band"? Pretty much separated to the left/right channel.

User: ¦ - Hello computer | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Windows then developed AS a program to emulate the Mac OS on PCs.

User: ¦ - Hello computer | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Hoops: Nice outline of a historical and comparative view of 2 of many computer worlds. Most people at the Medical School and in Education and in Architecture here use Macs and more in engineering and Biology use PCs. Indeed, Gates made most of his most famous software such as Word and Excel originally for the Mac. Lotus was king of the spreadsheet for years... Gates was given the keys to the Mac Kingdom in exchange for developing programs for the Mac in the 80s. Windows then developed a program to emulate the Mac OS on PCs. The Mac OS at the time was on ROM. Since that was technically hardware, it was patentable and under greater protection - so Gates made a software mimic version of the hardware, but not that close, over a DOS shell - that he purchase originally from some schmuck for a song. I like Mac OS 9 and before and now 10.2 (10.0 and 10.1 feel like betas to me) because they allow the right brain to maneuver the nuts and bolts of the machine, freeing the left brain for languange and analytical thought, and I need all the help I can...

...without profiling too much:

Macs generally are more friendly to artists, musicians, digital video, home office and entertainment, education, and very high tech science applications...

while PCs are more amenable to moderate size and larger businesses with networks, engineers who write a lot of code, government (that should tell us something), and those who like to download music illegally...

But again these are generalities and do not apply to any particular individual...

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Dear Hoops:

If it means anything to you, I did read your post. I have a Mac. I am challenged by it simply because it is a machine and I think it's a guy. My Mother has a PC and I find it even more difficult. The Mac seems to flow and her PC is more jerky, (note my scientific language). I try to help her figure out some simple things on it and I find it ornery, if a computer can be ornery. Mac's are round, Microsoft is square.

User: ...what ive got to say... | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: i heard that new frontier was on some wierd video disc on the early 80's. was don obsessed with digital?

a healthy obsession.

User: Moll | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: What about the songs........
Bodhisattva,Home At Last and Aja? Of course those are only ones that come to mind immediately. There are many others in which the music will have me tapping my toes and bopping along.

User: hoops | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Well. I've posted here several times on this topic. And it's just another opinion that goes ignored as usual. So simply my two cents, maybe Paige will read it.

My research specialization, what I write about and what I present at conferences, is pretty much a super-set of this Mac-PC debate. That is, how does the computer one use influence what people do with them and what computer is most suitable for them, given the particulars of what they intend to with the computer.

Before I go further, Paige, your points 2 and 6 are incorrect. Depending on context, there is a significant difference between Windows, MS DOS and actually between Mac OS prior-to-X and Mac OS X. (Hey add in Linux and SGI, etc to the debate. I use all of them to varying degrees.)

Yes and No: Xerox came up with the mouse and pictures as ways of interacting with computers BUT if you have ever seen the XEROX PARC interface which inspired Jobs, you instantly would recognize that it doesn't look like even Mac Finder 1.0. Apple did some major R & D to make it useable. I studied why the Xerox engineers did what they did for starters.

And of course, Apple licensed the first few iterations of their OS for Microsoft to use in exchange for Microsoft developing a compiler for Mac OS as well as what became Win Word and Excel. (Did you know that Word, Excel and PowerPoint are all based on Mac programs that PC users shunned for several years? PowerPoint is based on a program from the same inventor of Apple's Filemaker. They sold Filemaker to Apple and PowerPoint to Microsoft. Look closely and you will see a lot of similarities between the two. Had Microsoft purchased Filemaker at the same time, we'd all be using it instead of Access. I use Access more than Filemaker in case you are wondering, but not because I prefer it. Digital video on PC still sucks and DVD authoring on a Mac is lightyears better than a PC. Overall, I find web surfing on a PC to be often faster. PCs are much cheaper to buy; they also cost much, much more to support than a Mac, assuming your support person knows something about both. If the support person knows nothing about Macs, it doesn't make a difference. I could go on and on.

But what it really comes down to is this:
People learn one way or another, and because becoming proficient with a computer takes much time (yes, even with a Mac), people don't want to relearn anything or often consider the idea something might be better after all that.

I won't go through all the pros and cons and then introduce the factor of how different people have different perception, thinking processes, etc., each computer has it's cultural roots, etc., but point is, most people won't consider the possibility or radically changing the way they currently use a computer. Furthermore, Not everyone should use a PC or a Mac or an SGI or...in other words, a number of people get along OK using a computer even though it probably isn't the best fit or the most productive for them.

But really , tieing this all into Steely Dan, fact is this: if you have ever read Roger Nichols' "EQ" columns, or looked closely at some of the photos posted over the past six or seven years at steelydan.com, or the "Aja" DVD, you would know our heros use both and apparently find Macs to be useful in making the music we love. They all so use PCs, too. Should we go and all switch to Macs because they use them? Of course not. But considering that, a lot of the criticisms here are way ridiculous. And over the years, I've found that many of you know little about the type of computer you bash. I remember one vocal critic here making fun of one kind of computer and then not even knowing how to turn it on.

Ten years ago when I was working with the National Science Foundation, I had the awesome experience of serving some of the greatest physicists and chemists in the world. Some used Macs and some used PCs or neither or both. Who's to say whether the person who develops a cure for cancer or AIDS is using a Mac or a PC; I just know I want to be open-minded enough to not mock what helps them do it.

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Just so there's no confusion...

1) I understand that this is a PC world
2) The difference between the two platforms is nominal (now)
3) You can do just about anything with both platforms
4) I know that these are only tools (creativity is separate)
5) Bill Gates ripped off Steve Jobs
6) Steve Jobs ripped off Xerox
7) Without Macs...PC's would have no reason to improve
and...
8) I am under no illusions...I think.

Now back to your regular programming.

-Paige

User: BeerberIan | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: To the dwindling; God only knows what I'd be without her.. Fell out night 'fore last and she went away... BUT could I say sorry? Hell no .. It's a male gender thing right ? WRONG It's shite !!! would this work ?

Cold Shoulder 3am

The storm swept through on Sunday, left trail of a loss
We argued about nothinÆ, all felt was frost
Trees stripped of verdant coats, leaves torn æfore their time
Wish I could replace the canvas, restored to itÆs prime

I have the minute, would I still give it, not sure at this moÆ
I hold onto the mood, stay off too long à both know
Cold and uninviting, bare wooden tableau vivant of a hill
I cut and held silence, quiet voice of small still à

The angle of shoulder so cold and withdrawn
You canÆt see from this side, feeling forlorn
Silence screams volumes thoughts whirl around
Sleep on it, no way to find common ground

Harvest the anger to feed next dispute
Petty I know twist my facts to refute
Why canÆt I see that the hurt does no good
Immune? I donÆt think so, to sobbing flood

Wish I could speak with eloquence to prove
Wish I could write under guise of angel to move
Sung to the lyre, wax intended, not quite met
Moon madness required to dance fret a fret

EJ, who knew TJ quoth regret, task of such toil
Always, when attempted, inner reticence does foil
But the worth of effort committed, would bear fruit for ever
Plant a forest, we have to, survive stormy weather

Regal confidante you know, we all do too à.
revealed on the sleeve, my heart in full view
Never know where the soul is, selfish to end
Given the onslaught I choose not to bend

Nothing to write home about, so I am told
Without her IÆm useless empty and cold à..
For M my rock on which I found her
But if she knew this it might just astound her

Believe this is True, that love you I do
The bar to my heart is fresh out of brew

Poet Lazyeate

also avail in WSBS on www.tzuke.com

Oh yeah and GLYNN DAVIES rocks Kid C and All - BRING back the DSO Rag !!!!!!!!!!! Clean this mess up all or I'll end up in court Decree not Nicee not req please .....

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: He's *really* great on "You Can't Hold On Too Long" too...

Oh wait...

User: Aja.........another loooooong day | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Hank Easton gives "The Second Arrangement" a funky edge, as opposed to the bland disco arrangement the original had (at least from what I could hear from Andy Metzger's site). If Becker and Fagen recorded it with Hank on lead, they might actually decide they like that song.....

Aja

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Hank Easton does it 50 times better than that Jon Herrington slop (grande basura) on Plush. Hell Hank gives Larry Carlton a run for his money. Although I will say that Ripper Owens is no Rob Halford. ;-)

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Sorry Paige but it ain't the computer that makes one creative. This website is 100% pure PC -- including the graphics. Anymore it's what you like to use, not what you need or think you should use.

User: Mr. Cover Band | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: W1P- Yeah...Hank Easton does it much better...NOT!

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: I think the guitar solo on Kid C from Plush sucks

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Paige: I've only been here a year & half & that's already been posted.
tell me what is the matrix?

It's Don & Walt pulling Stal's strings !!!
It's us.

Tthe scene where the helecopter fly's into the building made me feel bilious last week, must say though i could'nt turn away.

my missing cat returned at the weekend, after getting his ass well & truly kicked !!!! again.
I put it down to the fact he has no tail & can't truly express his emotions & feelings anymore.

Meanwhile i get on with my life knowing the letter from his lawyer's ''is in the post''

the 5th.....the 5th !!!!!!

User: Apple Advert (take three) | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: I'm a writer from Detroit and I used to work on a PC and buoy oh buoy, was I ever bummed out. I couldn't write a darn thing. My mind was like, totally blank. So, one of these days, they decided to switch me to a Mac at work and all of sudden, as soon as I turned it on, just like that, the creative juices started flowing. Verbs conjugated themselves with the boot loader. I had three hundred words proofread by the time I logged on. They say you're more creative on a Mac. Well thanks to Steve Jobs, I gotta say, that is true. I didn't even have to think anymore. Heck, I didn't have to type. It was like, magic, man. So all the tin can labels I was ordered to produce were done and ready to roll off the plant in no time flat, except for the green peas. Now those, those are tough on any machine. I almost made my quota. I might even keep my job. Who knows? Soon, with a little luck, it'll be "Bye bye minimum wage" and maybe, maybe one day I can afford a Mac of my own. Now THAT would be like, veeeery, veeeeery cool.
Hi I'm Stubs Smith and I'm a WRITER, DAMMIT!

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Tones: I guess you were sleeping through one of my yelling sessions regarding the Plush. Yes, there were indeed 4 songs that did not make it from the taping to the special. I can understand the pledge version missing them, but the VHS/DVD? Very sad. So, to recap. The 4 songs missing were "Do it Again", "Deacon Blues", "Home at Last" and "West of Hollywood". At least 30 minutes more of content, lost for good, so it seems.
My favorite cut from the show (just for the record) "Pretzel Logic". Blew me away, when I saw it. What an ending!

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Paige-I agree with most of what you wrote, especially that Becker and Fagen have multi-layered inferences in their lyrics. However, I see TOOM as a drug song first, with religious references underlying. Especially the following lyrics:

I am holding the mystical sphere
It's direct from Lhasa
Where people are rolling in the snow
Far from the world we know

It seems that the narrator is holding a vial of heroin, about to shoot up ("tonight when I chase the dragon")and Lhasa grows some of the finest. The name Lhasa also means "holy city", so we're probably both right!

Aja

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Dear Apple Advert...

Nice to have you on the team. The reason why PC's have so many problems is because about 500 vendors are putting their crap into them. What are the chances that you're NOT going to have a problem.

And what about Dell, The Cow Computer Comapny, and other PC "dealers?" They aren't computer companies...they are assemply plants...pure and simple.

If you want to count beans...buy a PC
If you want to be creative...buy a Mac

-Paige
Mac Addict since 1984...

User: Father Time | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Still no Donald or Walter I see.

Guess I'll just reach into my grab bag of subjects here...
Let's see, how about "Teenage Grandmothers with unruly children"?
Montel Williams eat your heart out.

I'm checking my watch as we speak but I still don't think they'll
show up...I'll give em' another 2 years I guess.

*tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock*

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Aja...

Sorry to disagree with on "Time Out of Mind." Indeed...there are many drug references in the song (Chasing the Dragon...etc.). However, the song also..in my humble opinion, is about a religious revival meeting and the almost "out of mind" rapture that the participants feel in this state...being whipped up by the narrator.

Put a dollar in the kitty...
Tonight, when I chase the dragon (could be the devil)
The water will change to cherry wine...
Better get "ready" for love...
It's your chance to "believe"
Keep your eyes on the "sky"
People are "rolling" in the snow - (holy rollers)
"Perfection" and "Grace"

Now granted...almost all of these can be seen as drug related...But who was it that said..."Religion" is the "opiate" of the people (masses)?

I think that Don and Walt pulled a fast one on us by intending "two" meanings...once again...proving their seemingly limitless creative ability.

Just my two cents.

-Paige

User: ring 'em up | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: tones, there were other tunes missing from the Plush DVD besides those metined already, they also did Deacon Blues and Do It Again

User: Aja...........chocolate and music therapy works best | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: FW-yes, still planning on it, but only for a few days, and I plan to spend all of that time indoors playing with my little nieces and nephew. Then I'm getting the hell out ASAP before I develop a serious vodka habit.

Steely Dan songs that make me happy? None of them-but that's not why I like Steely Dan. "Time Out of Mind" is one of my favorites to dance to, and it's about shooting up. That's what I love about them: there's always something a little ironic/morbidly curious/prurient under the surface.

Aja

User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Hey everyone!!!!!!!!!! Happy Fall......we got about every color of leaves imaginable here. I went out on the lake just to take in the beauty.. (saw an otter)
I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN: What songs.. especially Steely songs make you happy? It's a basic question.. but is related to music.
Clas- It was me babe...Hell I got nothing better to do. *wink* Wonder if ol Dr.Know is familiar with Borderline Personality Disorder? ( Tex's diagnosis)That and Marine Corps training makes for a very bad combination..
Ed Beatty- was very nice to see you again.
JAZ- Sorry about losing my temper. I try real hard not to let that happen. ! I missed you bud. Talk soon?

User: Apple Advert (take two) | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: "I used to have a Windows PC, top of the line Pentup-tium 66.6 ghz with a sunroof and hot tub... the works, and since my job involves a great deal of computing, as you can imagine, I had a lot of problems. I mean, I was going nuts. Like, I was coasting, or hiking the net, or whatever they call it and I clicked on a link my whole hard drive was erased. All my personal files, programs... everything. Gone. Evaporated. And when I called Microsoft telling them about it, nobody took my problem seriously, saying that the problem had been known about for months and all I had to do was download a simple 30 gigabit "patch" they had posted yesterday. Of course, this did me no good because my harddrive was balder than Capt. Picard leaving a barber shop. It was like, Hello-o.
Later I found out that all I had to do was change the name of a folder to avoid that terrible loss.
But by then I had got a Mac. I mean, like, everything is so straightforward. You just click on a link and voila! Another page comes up! And I didn't have to add a sound card, graphics card, download drivers, or any of that crap.
You just plug it into the wall, turn it on and get on with life. Done.
Simple as that.
Hi, I'm Bill Gates and I'm a crook."

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: This week is huge in SoCal for music. The Stones are in town for shows on 10/31, 11/2 and 11/4. Mike Keneally plays the Baked Potato in Universal City on 11/2. And on 11/3 Which One's Pink? joins with Sticky Fingers (obviously the Stones tribute band) at the Whisky A Go Go to play a special tribute show in honor of the Stones visit to Southern California -- a show that is supposed to feature "special guests" Oh and Marvette, our Great Gig in the Sky singer from the Lion King is with us on Sunday in what could be her final appearance with us because her company is taking the Lion King to Chicago (hoops). Hope to see one or more of you at some or all of these events.

User: father william | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Aja - afre you still planing a winter visit to the Baltic. If so, assuming that you haven't already slashed your wrists, you'll really be praying for longer days.

User: Aja......Monday AGAIN? | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Don't know where the wonderworm is, but his b-day is this Wednesday........

On that note, Aus-man, hope you had a great one! Wish I could have been in NYC to hoist one in your honor.

Jimbo wrote "This is supposed to be about anything related to Steely Dan." That's the rule for the Blue Book, not this one. Posts here don't have to be related to anything, which is why this book is more interesting, and also annoying, than the ones you usually find. I wouldn't have it any other way.

P.S. Good point! Had to laugh at that one.

ole-How's the SAD? I'm feeling it bigtime, went into hibernation mode this weekend......."Any World" sounds great this time of year. Only 8 more weeks until the days start getting longer.

Aja

User: Blaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisie | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Look Webster is getting close to finding a handle that fits him. Banal will do. Insipid you'll have to work for, frankly. The rest is out of your league. Forget about it.

Duncan, Mu: Cold Turkey. I had to go there. I was just about to hijack StAl's and ban the host for harboring terrorists. I had to be stopped.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: B - it's George Wadenius! The Swede. It's the early 70's, look at that haircut.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Howard - I'll have to give Black Friday a listen tonight.

x-post: ...sometimes I would "hear" piano on Daddy and sometimes not. Calton does sometimes play chords that Fagen originally would use on piano as the song developed or on the demo. He has such a ring to his 335 that it does really take the place of the piano In Daddy, an example of Fagenesque chords that sound like Carlton 4 chords (3 descending then 1 ascending) before the crunchy mini guitar solo. A classic example are the stummed chords in Deacon Blues, heard esecially at the intro of the tune...classic. Note how these chord progression resemble a little the ones in Babylon Sisters (here by the keys, guitar + horns) and the keyboard in The Nighfly title track...

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Tones: Got the Krimso "Happy with what you have to be happy with" pre-album teaser from Babes last Friday and WOW! Blown away. The title track deserves radio play right now....very hard with that everlasting eclectic Fripp/Belew love licks.... stunned and amazed. And excited about when they come by to incinerate. Beemer and Wormy: Sprint to buy this if you haven't already.....100% satisfaction or money back guarantee from moi.

LuckLess Pedestrian: June love: Never Got your giftie love...no worries....see you soon. xox Ward

Oleander: Thanks for kind words....how's the familia? Regards to permasqueeze.

Spent this past weekend in the wonderful town of Woodstock, New York. Of course, no other vehicle would do on our way up but in a Volkswagen Beetle (the new ones)....man oh man can those babies cook on the highway....great town, great people, great food, arts, hiking, etc.....

Tonight aftre dinner, off to cheque out our own Malcolm Huntre at his pre-CD party release gig....can't wait.

Super week everybody,

Aus

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: ¯: welcome back...I was master of my domain for 15 days once...

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Hey ¯
So what's cold turkey like then..
I managed about 9 days in Aug.

murder!!!

db

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: mc - don't worry, john mayer sounds great in concert, but, his manner left me feeling queazy - he acted like a spoiled brat soaking up the show - didn't even introduce his band - i was disappointed in his lack of style - but again, the music rocked - the fans will make you feel old if you are my age, all teeny boppers just itching to get to him, lol, i thought i was at a donny osmond concert!

hopefully it depends on where you see him, i saw him at a larger venue in boston last summer, but he may sober up in smaller arenas/clubs

let me know what you think

aus - did you get my present?

things are getting boarded up here, so i'm off to the local coffee shop before she closes for the season

User: Mr.Webster | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Blaise;

Insipid, Banal, Flat, Namby-Pamby, Sapless, Vapid, Watery, Unpalatable,
Ill-favored, Tasteless, Arid, Bromidic, Dry, Tedious, Uninteresting,
Weariful, Mundane, Prosaic, Driveling, Inane, Innocuous, Jejune, Swashy,
Feeble, Pointless, Nauseous, Thin, Afflictive, Distastful, Galling,
Grievous, Painful, Acrid, Acerbic, Vexatious, Provoking, Inclement.

Just to name a few.

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Black Friday pianos:

(discussion has kind of switched from Blue book to here ...)

Based on the touring personnel and the new session "favourites" of the time (Porcaro and McDonald), I'd guess that one of the keyboards on Black Friday was Mike McDonald. Probably the right channel, with the cleaner Rhodes sound, though I admit I don't know his keyboard style that well. Clas - this could fit your memory of him sitting oppposite Paich for this one. Great Katy session photo by the way.

It's odd that McDonald has no keyboard credits on Katy - seems unlikely, given his touring with them etc. The early Katy demos I've heard sound like they were generally done with Donald on the piano, Walter on bass, Denny Dias (sometimes) on guitar, Porcaro on drums and McDonald on Rhodes. This was the core of the touring unit, so again it seems to fit. Clas' photo also fits with this, although the drummer is just out of the shot.
The more fully-formed Katy demos, where the song already resembles the final track, usually sound like they've got Omartian on the piano. These were probably done as completely separate takes, which would mean the earlier sketchier demos were just rehearsals, rather than first attempts at the real thing.

Anyhow, I feel sure McDonald has some keyboard parts that made it to the final versions. Black Friday and maybe other tracks as well?

Howard

User: ¯ | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Ole!!! Wasn't lurkdom per se, no. More like cold turkey here. Very nice to "see" you again.

User: ¯ | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Yes, my girl, lisa, Dave Grohl is the giveaway here. You can come out of the closet now, I understand the attraction. It seems everything that broad touches turns to gold. Seriously, the dude can do no wrong, can't he? In fact, here's one of the few men I wouldn't mind having as my bitch, in a strictly platonic relationship, of course, needless to say.
Right hand locked in a power chord fingering, going up and down the fretboard like that, up, down, up and down. Vocal chords stretched out to the max, growling out all the angst and anger of the nouveau riche. All this using a widely-varied palette in terms of intensities, soft, loud, soft, then loud again... hmmm
I would cry genius if this hadn't been done before, time and again.
But over a billion served, you see?

User: ¯ | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Is that you Clas, by any chance, holding the bottom in your bell bottoms?

Jim of sharpness, yes, long time no see. And where the heck were YOU?

Mu, I said we appreciate it, alright? I have nothing to add. It looks exhaustive from where I stand. I am frankly amazed at you guys's power of discernment. I have a somewhat looser relationship to the music and it doesn't matter who it is as long as it sounds damn good.
I'll be back when I do have something to add. See? That's reasonable.

Hi lisa!
I know you're out there.
¯

User: Apple Advert (take one) | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: "I used to have a Windows PC and since my job involves a great deal of computing, as you can imagine, I had a lot of problems. I mean, I was going nuts. Like, it took me the longest time to figure out how to plug the PC into a wall outlet and when I called the manufacturer telling them about it, nobody took my problem seriously. It was like, Hello-o.
But since I got a Mac. I mean, like, everything is so straightforward. You just take one end of the plug, shove it into the surge protector thingie, plug it into the wall. Then you take the other end of the cable
- oops... I mean, the other end or whatever - and put it into the back of the computer and that's it, you're done. Simple as that.
Hi I'm clueless and I'm a cop."

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Who's this Steely Dan related musician?

StAl - you know, so shut up.

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/whosthis

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: "King Of the World, Ma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

October 27, 2002 21:31
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"

Same as mine. Still not me.

Aja - Could your Private Eye clearify the situation here?

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 28

Message: Testing... testing...

User: 7200 dpi | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Clas: If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times...Don't put your tongue in the receptacle!!

User: King Of the World, Ma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: In regard to all the technical discussion everyone's engaging in... maybe you gentlemen can clear something up for me...

When plug fall out of wall, music go stop. Why music go stop?! Me like music. It go stop. No hear anything. Beat head with toaster to make sure brain not stop and tried to clean out ears with carrot but that not it. No music and no beer make king of world go crazy. Must hear song mister steely dan wrote about me don't take u alive or i get all jumpy.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: RE-post from the Blue-Bore:

"Date: Fri, September 27, 2002,á01:25:30
Posted by: DrM¦, Tejas

Hoops,

I have a JVC XV-SA75 player that plays DVD-A, DVD-V, CDs, CD-ROM. CD-R, and CD-RW. Cool graphics, still pics, videos, interactive stuff, liner notes etc are commonly added to DVD-A just as DVD-V features. TVN DVD-A has a few still pics that aren't in the liner notes + some that are. The JVC XV-SA75 does indeed retail for under $300. Well worth it. TvN on DVD-A has the warmth of vinyl, but the noise reduction of CDs and clarity on steroids!

CD specs include:
16 bit sampling (2[16power]) = 65,536
44.1 kHz sampling rate
92 dB dynamic range
600 mB

DVD-A:
24 bit sampling 92[24power]) = 16,777,216
192 kHz rate (2 channel stereo)
144 dB dynamic range
4-8 GB

SACD (Sony and Philips only)
encoding different - pulse density modulation - like fuzzy bits
100 kHz sampling (2 channel)
120 dB dynamic range
test + still graphics only
not made to replace CDs - audiophile only

Both Roger Nichols and Eliott Scheiner I believe have stated that DVD-A will replace CDs within 5 years...

I almost forgot. There is a "universal" chips out now that will play ALL IEEE formats for DVD and CD. They should be available in affordable consumer players in a few short years. "

Ole: Manuel sez: "Que?"

User: oleander | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Aus--HAPPY BIRTHDAY, you old goat!

Blaise--Dammit, I was doing so well imitating your lurkdom, and now you have to come out of it and make me say hello.

Mu--subsidize what?

User: DVD-A talk | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: The supposed "blue bore" had a decent intro discussion of DVD-A about two weeks weeks ago with specific attention paid to the JVC model that ¦ speaks of. It can be had for $129, down from $300+ figure it once had. Since I receiving mine, there are a couple of caveats you should be aware of.

http://www.dandom.com/guestbook, scroll down to October 10-12.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: t: I've had not had problems reading DVD-V, DVD-A, CD, CD-R, CD-RW...It plays CDs just fine. In fact the sound quality is a bit better than on my Sony changer...

Mine's a JVC XV-SA75 which can be had on sale, I understand, now for under $200, about $80 less than last year...

Alas, only a single DVD, CD front-load transport...Start with the longer CDs/DVDs like Decade and progress to the shorter masterpieces such as Katy Lied and Pretzel Logic. Feel the burn!!!!

Repeat mode, 5.1 mode vs 2 channel stereo, repeat/next which can be held to move through tracks quickly or pressed/repressed of course...I don't see a shuffle though. Play as directed by the artists or shuffle the deck by hand...I'd recommend 2 weeks of Fartlek handgrip regimens 4 times/week before proceeding...Remember, hand wringing or hair pulling should clear out lactic acid from the hand and forearm muscles faster than complete rest...

User: Floridavid | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Definitely a Wurlitzer...one of the newer (at the time)black plastic case models.

User: Jim# | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: ¯: Where indeed is Wormy? I worry about these things in the wee hours of the morning. Good to see you hereabouts, in any case.

User: t | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: ¦ - Hmmmm... the JVC was one of the models I've been perusing... programming I can get used to, but does it have a "shuffle" function? That's one button I can't live without... And I think I remember reading there was some issue with that because of all the formats it reads.

Btw, do you have a changer or a single disc player? I'm too out of shape to get up after every disc... can't even believe I used to get up every 20 minutes to flip over an album...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: H: looks again like nerve gas:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$CLPTTKKAQPP4NQFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2002/10/27/umosc.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/10/27/ixport.html

User: ¦ - come on over to 24 bit land | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: tones: The JVC model I have sounds nice - a bit of a pain to program, but it reads all DVD or CD formats that are out there with the exception of SACD

C: That sure looks like a Rhodes or the thing he played on Echoes of Love - touring with the Dooblies - cool pic. Dias is way right, and I assume Walter with the back to the camera. McDonald was not credited for keyboard on the Katy album liner notes, but I bet he played in the sessions, even if they ended in the can, and of course played keys on the last 70s tour...

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: C....
Great picture of the sessions....
Okay...
Who is the guy on the far right...? (The one with the beard) I've seen him before....Just tell you how little I know.

-Paige

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: No, it looks like a Wurlitzer to me.

Well, it's Sunday night, it's time to take a ride home. Pompe is taking the naked ride.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Here's a picture from the Katy Lied sessions, From Barney Hoskyn's book "Waiting for the Sun". Looks like it's McDonald sitting at the Rhodes, or is it a Rhodes?

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/session

User: Well, I've been wrong before... | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Howard - reading Sweets "Reeling in the Years", it says: "as well as Omartians piano it features David Paich playing a Hohner electric piano...".

Mid Cruiser - too bad they put a new roof on that beautiful old barn.

User: tones | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Brother ¯ - You are a ¯last of fresh air from the Great White North! How you ¯ anyway?

West of Hollywood would have been nice... but Home At Last? Two of 'em? Ow... *that* hurts! That would have topped off the setlist real nice I think... Maybe those tunes will pop up as a "limited edition" bonus dvd with the New One, as seems to be the marketing trend these days.

Btw... that live Almost Gothic would make a great Christmas gift for the tones who has everything, don't ya think?

And so you know, that triple post thing isn't a Mac symptom, I think it's just that ¦ was so (understandably) excited about Katy Lied that his mouse finger started twitching like a little rabbit's foot...

¦ - I'm with you for the most part about the camera angles, though every now and then they came up with a good one, like the shot looking down the neck of Walter's guitar while he solos (on FM, I think). But yeah, it's way too busy, in that psuedo-artsy post-MTV short attention span kinda way. Because you know, if we were to just watch the outstanding musicianship without all the bullshit visual editing we'd all just fall asleep, right?

Also btw... I'm glad the Nightfly is coming out on DVD-A, but it would be nice if they remastered the good ol' 16 bit for the rest of us. I'm on my way to DVD-A as soon as I see a changer that's built reasonably well, but till then, I'll blow all my piasters on things like Gabriel tickets.

---------------

Last bit... I just can't let that "smarter computer" thing slide on down, even though I should... Did you know that there have been 60+ security fixes for windoze NT posted by Microsoft since it's launch last year? There's your "smarter computer"...

Thank you.

---------------

Spank the Rally Monkey!

t

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Howard - re Black Friday-pianos: I remembering reading Mike Mc Donald saying that he and Paich (that Toto-fellow) was sitting opposite each other*, he with a Fender and Paich with a Wurlitzer. I can't swear on it, but it's back in my head.

* Is that English?

User: Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Bill: Get serious for a minute, if Don and Walt come in here to post that means less time being spent on the new one. I'm sure they have their own active social ives as well, perhaps they don't want to talk to us guys and girls. How would you feel if they shot you down?...I'm sure they have thier reasons for not posting in the GB and who knows perhaps they post on the fly?

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: ¯: Telegraph = Drudge? No, I used the Royal Scam as a template...I guess I got a little excited listening to Katy 4 times in a row (it is my personal favorite) and was not careful about editing out extrtaneous Scam stuff... But the real question is, can you verify or have any suggestions?

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: tones: while the gangbang camera angles are sickening, the sound is top-notch, better than the VH1 concert. It all sounds great, but Bad Sneaker and Gaslighting Abbie are particular highlingts for me. The horn section outtro on Abbie just cooks over the rythm section. I've noticed that in DVD-A, TvN has more of a Plush sound than on the CD, especially if you CRANK IT UP

User: Mistress of Mayhem aka Moll ( comma key still not working) | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Hello everyone! Greetings from Hooterville...Nothing much to report. We had lots of festivities to celebrate Halloween......Hayrides .. parties and of course hotdogs and marshmellows roasted on big bonfire. You haven't lived until you roast hotdogs while listening to Flaw blaring and have about 20 kids in various costumes running around like mad. A good time was reportedly had by all. More festivities to occur as week goes on.
I like the Bluebook. It is very different from the Yellow...but variety is good. It is more like Hutch's message board at his music store...Very informative and a bit serious. Sign in Stranger is more like the board in a Coffee House. The clientele is much more varied at St.Al's than at Hoop's. I visulize it a place where one might walk into to see a rather reserved.. kind of serious person like Dr.Mu engaged in a conversation with some wild man like my Viking. You'll find a bit of everything. That is the charm of the Yellow. Both the Blue and the Yellow have it's own place. Neither is better or worse.. just serves different purposes.
Jimbo- I looked into your web site that was listed and was very impressed. Well done Sugar. What songs get your toes tapping and makes you smile despite yourself?
My Viking- I'm going caving...I won't be home until very late. Think of me as I crawl around in the mud on my belly today! (told ya i'm a cheap date) *winks and kisses* Jojo and I loved the card.
My Dragon aka Deck- Hey!!! Found new site I think you'll love. It has many of the poems we've talked about. I'll write you when I get in I'm glad to know you're still about. *kisses*

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: one of the sites I saw in my Fall Photo Drive yesterday:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/AutumnBarn.jpg

or click the "homepage" link at the top of this post.

time for a walk with camera in hand....

User: yes, B! | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: new foo lyric? have you become hip in your old age??

User: ¯ - Done? Done? On to The Next One! | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: funkament t-ster - I wasn't there but word is they played West of Hollywood and Home At Last (twice). Neither of which ended up on the Plush. Darn shame, if you ask me.
Who's gonna beat Mu to the Drudge Report? And it's a go!
Still, we appreciate the energy you put into this, good doctor. But, you know... less is more, sometimes. The triple post thingie, is that another Apple glitch? Say it ain't so.
Nice to see familiar faces still at it, I must say.
Catch of the year on the swap meet: Almost Gothic live In Alburquerque.
No contest. I was so excited, I shit myself.
Hmmm.... The topic is still on the direction of this here web endeavour. Amazing. Well, the annoying newbies of yesterday are today's grumpy old farts and bla bla, you see? Change of the Guard and all that. Taste of your own perhaps, Bill?
The vets who still care will still try and tell you what's what. I myself am staying away from that topic. It's an absolutely pointless exercice waste of time, experience shows.
A big "hug" to everyone I haven't "seen" in a while, ok?
P.S. Where's worm Thomas in all this shit?
¯

User: plush tones | Month: 9 | Day: 27

Message: Hey everyone -

Sinking deep into the Plush... sounds really good right now... really well recorded of course... digging the way Don doubles his vocal line on electric piano while he's singing Janie Runaway, ala Jimi, or George Benson, or Sugarfoot of the Ohio Players (remember?)... pretty slick... And as much as I'm enjoying this right now, I remember the tour being even better. Hard to believe it's been almost 3 years already...

"...the need for the binky..."

Hey, so the point of this post was to ask any and all who attended the taping of this event:

are there any songs or takes that they did that didn't make the released version? I'd love to at least know what's missing.

What's on the vid is:

Green Earrings
Cousin Dupree
Bad Sneakers
Janie Runaway
Josie
FM
Gaslighting Abbie
Black Friday
Babylon Sisters
Kid Charlemagne
Jack of Speed
Peg
What a Shame About Me
Pretzel Logic

And any interesting stage patter missing? Just curious...

While the music plays I work by candlelight...

t

User: Stones tickets anyone? | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Rolling Stones at Madison Square Garden, January 17th 2003.
Only $350 bucks...

Get em' while they're hot?

User: ¦ - slinging in the rain | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Jimbo: as one who contributed to the Monheit discussion and contributed the most Dan-relevent post of the day...respectfully, I'm afraid the point that is that (a) there are no rules here and (b) in the ouside world the rules are changed, it's not the same, it's whole new players in a whole new ballgame...

MizDucky: Don't fret. El Nino is one the way! The Southern jet has been playing firehose with the great state of Tejas for weeks, and now sucking what was left of Kenna up the Trans-Coastal Skyway...I'd expect the Seattle-like misting to begin in SoCal within a month...
...so Aja looks like you still may have to wash the SUV in early Nov. before driving your buddies to the polls. Hope there's an indepedent candidate for Gov! The Republican is a convicted crook and Gray Skies Davis took money from corporations to look the other way while they dumped toxic waste in San Fran Bay...

...it's almost as ugly here. Gov. Candidate A is a wealthy Latino businessman accused of Enron-like book cooking and Candidate B is vaguely seen in a grainy ad video clip dissing an officer who has pulled him over for speeding...may write in Davy Crocket or Sam Houston or the inventor of the Bowie knife, not Jim the pitcher or David the artist...

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: I mentioned this last week and only two of the regulars in this GB has mentioned their response to it.

In case you missed it, I wrote a review of the Jane Monheit concert for a web site called Jazzsteps.com. No mention of Steely Dan, but I do happened to refer to a song co-written by Libby Titus that was performed in concert.

I don't want to sound disrespectful, but can we please take a break from the politics and the sniper talk for now? Let's get into something fresh.
I know it sounds egotistical, but the more we talk about Iraq and the sniper, the more this GB is losing focus. This is supposed to be about anything related to Steely Dan. Even if it's mentioned in a Jane Monheit interview or in an episode of The Sopranos or Sex And The City.

Now, for a fresher change of pace, go to www.jazzsteps.com and click under Reviews. After this, maybe we can discuss any Jane Monheit concert that you went to and tell us what you thought. Or talk about her admiration for Steely Dan.

OKAY? OKAY?
Now we can move on.

Jimbo

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: My mistake. I had seen a report or two about the Russians using a "nerve gas" to stop the terrorists at the Moscow Theatre. In fact, it was nitrous oxide (NO2) otherwise known as laughing gas or "dentist's gas."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/27/wmosc527.xml

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Howard, even I'm surprised (see below) - interesting to see how this falls out re: Moscow...and a real tragedy about the hostages, many of whom succumbed indirectly to the nerve gas...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/27/wmosc27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/10/27/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=109715

User: ¦ - reading tomorrow's papers | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Remember how the media which emphasized how these were "nice guys" and neighbors in WA were baffled...Looks like that's B&*&%$!

from www.newsoftheworld.co.uk

SNIPER ESCAPE BID
FBI agents grab him as he flees

THE 17-year-old Washington sniper made a dramatic freedom bidùby punching his way through the CEILING of an interview room.

John Lee Malvo seized his chance after being left alone by FBI interrogators.

He leapt on a table and quickly smashed the flimsy ceiling tiles with his fistsùthen began hauling himself up into a ventilation shaft.

Agents dashed into the room, grabbed his flailing legs and wrenched the struggling teenager back down.

Last night the FBI refused to comment on the embarrassing incident at the "secure" and secret federal centre in Baltimore, Maryland.

Malvo and fellow sniper John Muhammad, 41ùwho face the death penalty in seven different jurisdictions ùare refusing to help enquiries into their reign of terror in the US capital.

Posed

One agent said: "Never mind co-operation. They're not even talking."

The pairùwho killed ten and wounded three in a 21-day spreeù could also be charged with an unsolved murder on America's west coast.

Keenya Cook, 21, was killed in February with a single head shot as she opened her front door in Tacoma, Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living at the time.

The assassins were friends with her familyùand even posed for the now infamous picture together on their sofa.

But ex-Army marksman Muhammad, who changed his name from Williams because he converted to Islam, fell out with the Cooks when they befriended his ex-wife.

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, *******who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air.******

SO WHO'S FUNDING THE TERRORISTS????????

Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken.

There were also chilling new revelations last night about how Malvo and Muhammad mocked police by repeatedly slipping through dragnets.

Their 1990 blue Chevrolet Capriceù a killing machine with holes in the boot to fire throughùwas first noted by police on October 3, just 24 hours after the first killing. But it was lost in the system while the entire hunt centred on a white van.

Meanwhile, Muhammad was stopped or spoken to by officers TEN times for various traffic offences.

During a spot-check on October 8, he was parked and asleep at the wheel. But cops failed to look in the boot, where they would have found the Bushmaster XM15 rifle.

The most chilling escape was last Monday when two illegal immigrants in a white van were held in a swoop as they used a phone booth being staked out by cops.

Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

The car was even caught in the background on news footageùand still the jigsaw did not piece together.

Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose refused to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team leaked it that the pair were found one-and-a-half hours later.

User: P.S. | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Aja,

"They're probably more interested in our seamy, wacked-out side..."

Perhaps..., or maybe they're not interested in us at all.

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: First of all, how can I take you seriously when you're using a Mac?
Please restate your message on a smarter computer.

Thank You.

User: get it? | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Randy and Bill, Aja's right. There are several chat rooms and groups narrow-mindedly focussed on Steely Dan. Why limit this one? Look at the "Blue Bore" that Jim McKay runs. All they talk about is Steely Dan and music-related topics. B O R I N G !!!

StAl's GB has been around for so long and keeps going and is at the top of every ODP link list. Obvisouly, he knows what he is doing. Shit! Walter and Donald are so accessible compared to their 70s incarnation. Today is like a 24/7 open house at steelydan.com Bill, try taking a little more self-responsibility for your negativity instead of blaming the Guestbook and StAl.

Ciao!

User: Aja......rainy Saturday | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: Bill-there is a board for Steely Dan only topics. Frankly, it bores me to tears. I'd rather read lp's and Howard's excellent, thoughtful, non-music related posts. And do you really think Don and Walt would actually POST here if we talked about Steely Dan more? Get real! I'm sure that NOTHING would bore them more than an endless discussion of what they already know-their own music. They're probably more interested in our seamy,wacked-out side-this IS Steely Dan, y'know.

lp-I'm getting out the vote!

Randy-we don't have a "topic". That's always been the only ground rule since I've been on here. It's always been a free for all-with all the good and bad that brings.

Aja

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: lp....I wanted to ask you, what was the deal with John Mayer in concert? I read something like you didn't care for the way he acted during the live show? I haven't seen him live but was really looking forward to it.....is there something I should know?

Amanda....if you make it back this way, thanks for the link to the new photos....it's great to re-live a little of the magic from the last tour...and from one photographer to another, very nice work by you + Matt there.

ahhh, a beautiful Autumn weekend in the Mid-Atlantic....I'm gonna grab the camera and go for a ride just to see what I can see.

later y'all,
MC

User: re:: WES | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: CORRECTION:

TOMMY FLANAGAN

SP:TYP

User: Wes Montgomery | Month: 9 | Day: 26

Message: the finest

Dunc: for you..
portrait.. of wes..still in print

tommy falnagan, and I still share the vibe on wes.

Modern do you get it'...

complete riverside..pretty blue
"full house'"

Boss guitarw/jimmy cobb d.

Smokin at the half note"

ok..

thank you for half/note ear

sincerely

gmb

User: re:Midtown Express | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: sorry signed bluz..

"little cloud"
"dancing on charhoal"

t.zuke/production.."big ocean"studios uk.p.muggleton producer

User: Midtown Rush | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Zan
wow..a spark as always
played..today

hubert laws"In the beginning"

kenny burrel"do what you gotta do"

ben allison.."dispoable genius"

Zan gardner"metaphoric heartbeat"

clarence "gatemouth" brown..why are people like that"

otis rush "reap just what you sow"
jimmy witherspoon "sooner or later"

under a broken sky..on shore breeze

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: I just love the Gaucho album. Those Tom Scott horns just stay in my head.

User: ¦ - cut and pastitis | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: no--> Clavinet: Paul Griffin on EGTTM

ignore

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Sorry - a little editing needed on katy:

KATY LIED

Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric û left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo û right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Daddy DonÆt Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

EveryoneÆs Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews

Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen

Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oÆclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Any World (That IÆm Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ô99ö)?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald

Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Backer. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Sorry - a little editing needed on katy:

KATY LIED

Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric û left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo û right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Daddy DonÆt Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

EveryoneÆs Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews

Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen

Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oÆclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Any World (That IÆm Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ô99ö)?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald

Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Backer. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Sorry - a little editing needed on katy:

KATY LIED

Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric û left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo û right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Daddy DonÆt Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

EveryoneÆs Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews

Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen

Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oÆclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Any World (That IÆm Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ô99ö)?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald

Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Backer. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: H: I think Mr. Hardy is probably right re; the Chechnyans. However, a number of Reuters stories indicate that al Qaeda has been well-integrated into Indonesia and the evidence is very strong from the Indonesian gov't regarding their participation in the Bali bombing. In fact, the indonesian gov't has arrested quite a number of Al Qaeda recently...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: "It's a long-term, co-ordinated effort by many countries that will gradually help to win the battle against such attacks."

Howard, i couldn't agree more...

lp: Yes, while the sniper terrorized the DC area, just as many poor were killed in the Baltimore/DC area who will not have the advantage of a gov't led inverstigation...

BTW, Michael Moore forgot that the Enron and Fed book - cooking was performed under the Clinton administration...

OK, here's something Danish for Randy and the rest of us to chew on. The very, very, very tentative Katy Lied song-by-song credits. This was more difficult than Royal Scam, even though the production is less dense and more intimate. Any help, especially on bass and also keyboards and guitars...

KATY LIED

Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric û left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo û right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Daddy DonÆt Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

EveryoneÆs Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews

Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen

Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oÆclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Any World (That IÆm Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ô99ö)?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald

Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Backer. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell

.

RIP Paul Wellstone. A man of principle and decency and ex-wrestiling champ at the University of North Carolina. I did not always agree with his politics, but he believed in what he said without spin or conceit...

User: deckard | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: molly
but or course..having a low IQ can be a serious draw back when it comes to internet comunications, and there are a few bananas on here mate ,profane types of a low disposition coulped with a troubled mind, resulting in brain fart type mentality is all to common to these loquacious situations,and although your halcyon approach to this annoys the shit out of them ,it also gives so much pleasure to so many others in a " poking a perve with a sharp stick" would be ,to that I fear you must continue to play with these fools minds , for a while at least,o my... If only they new ...he he d and s L+ xxx****888=2 x stars .......always ps sorry bananas

User: I Once Knew A Girl, Or Should I Say . . . . | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Svenskene fikk glede seg over Bruce Springsteen-konsert i gsr. Neste sr kommer han trolig til Norge.

½The Boss+ holdt h°stens eneste Skandinavia-konsert i Globen i Stockholm torsdag. Neste sommer skal det vµre duket for konsert i Norge.

Hsper ps norgestur
If°lge h°yt plasserte kilder i den nordiske avdelingen av plateselskapet Sony Music, kommer han ½helt sikkert+ til Norge neste sommer, melder VG.

û Hopefully, sier Springsteen selv ps sp°rsmsl om han kommer til Norge.

To veps Torsdagens konsert i Globen, fsr relativt dsrlig kritikk av de svenske avisene. ½Springsteen Sr en av rockens segaste gubbar. I gsr i Globen mSrktes detta dessvSrre mest i negativ mening+, skriver Andres Nunstedt i Expressen, og gir konserten to av fem mulige veps.

û Det var mye opp og ned. De f°rste 40 minuttene er det dsrligste jeg har sett av Springsteen, sier Aftonbladets Per Bjurman.

Begge avisene slsr fast: ½Du kan bedre, Bruce.+ Kanskje viser han det i Oslo til sommeren?

User: Bill @RandyIsRightAndHere'sWhy | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Randy has a point.

Why are so many of the posts on this board so off topic? Why
are so few posts actually related to Steely Dan? Randy is
right when he says that most people just post anything and
everything that pops into thier mind no matter if it's musically
relevant or not but there is a reason for it and the reason has
to do with Donald and Walter.

DONALD AND WALTER ARE TO BLAME FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE
THEY NEVER SHOW UP. What does it take for these two guys to show
up once in a while and let thier fans know that they appreciate
thier support? I've heard all the arguments about them being too
busy to take time out for thier fans which, in my not so humble
opinion, is outright nonsense. Nobody on planet Earth is THAT
busy.

Perhaps if thier fans had something Steely Dan related to look
forward to, like an online chat every couple of months, they might
be more apt to keep thier minds on the subject of Steely Dan.
I don't know about you but I'm getting a little too old for this
aloof act that these two guys have been peddling for the last
30 years. My advice to both Donald and Walter (especially Donald)
is to knock off the BS and let your fans know that you actually
exist by showing up once in a while. Hell, even politicians can
show up and shake a few hands every now and then, so why not you?

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Hello everyone!
Re post 2570: ROFLMAO...... Hooterville was the mythical town of the sitcoms " Green Acres" and "Petticoat Junction". It exagerated the sometimes bizarre and comical settings of a small town. As most fellow Banyantrees members who reside in small towns can attest..it is only a slight exageration of life in a rural city. There are some rather strange folks in most. The great thing about living in a small place is everyone..( for the most part) in the town just accepts the crazies and eccentrics as part of the community. We have a man who collects mail. It was a real problem because he was stealing bills and people's correspondence. Instead of calling the Authorities and having him committed.... All of my neighbors and I told him that he could have our junk mail...and we'd save our old magazines for him.. if he would leave our other letters alone. He agreed. Most of the ladies in town mail him little cards and occasionally will leave him a candy bar or some cookies. WJAZ and I have discussed this several times. It is part of the charm of a small community.
On another note... I live in the Bible Belt. It is against the law to dance in the Town I live in. Yes there was a town meeting and debate about it. It was quite a heated discussion. The older Church people was adamant about the law remaining on the books." Cause everyone knows what dancing leads too".. that was a direct quote from one of the local Pastors. .So no nakie ladies here i'm afraid.

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: hey, i got this off the michael moore site (no suprise you'd find me there) and thought it was intriguing, at least for discussion - i do not have a problem with a national system of gun tracing and registration, i mean, you can still own them, it's a check - many hunters i know feel the same way, no biggie for them - but, of course the question is: would registration, etc really prevented The Sniper and others? who knows, but maybe they could have traced them sooner

okay mu, here you go, ken, you too! sorry i am using alot of board space...

"October 25, 2002

Dear friends,

Yesterday, Larry Bennett, a 16-year old, was shot in the head after he was
involved in a minor traffic accident. You probably didn't hear about it
because, well, how could he be dead if he wasn't shot by The Sniper?

Yesterday, an unidentified woman was shot to death in her car in Fenton,
MI. You probably didn't hear about it because she had the misfortune of not
being shot by The Sniper.

Two nights ago, Charles D. Bennett, 48, an apartment security guard, was
shot to death after confronting two teenagers in his parking lot in
Memphis, TN. You probably didn't hear about it because the sniper was too
busy sleeping in his car that night, and thus, poor Charles was not shot by
The Sniper.

Yes, The Sniper has apparently been caught, so we can go back now to NOT
reporting the DOZENS of gun deaths that occur every day, the ones that just
aren't newsworthy because they happen in all those old boring ways --
unlike the ways of The Sniper, who was interesting and creative and
exciting and scary! He played so much better on the news.

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.

Thank you, Mr. Heston for this unnecessary carnage. Thank you, Mr. Bush,
for supporting Mr. Heston and his group's agenda -- which protects only the
criminals.

If everyone reading this letter (and you now number in the millions) would
share this fact with just one person who is thinking of skipping going to
the polls on Nov. 5th, I believe that on Nov. 6th, Mr. Bush will have
neither the Senate nor the House doing his or Heston's bidding. Americans
don't like people who assist serial killers in being able to ratchet up
their kills because The Sniper knows that his bullets are prohibited by law
from being traced to his gun.

That, in a nutshell, is what the NRA is all about -- and I implore all
responsible gun owners and hunters to join with me in putting an end to the
NRA agenda once and for all. Don't give Bush his majority on November 5th.
He's already seen to it that his cronies in big business have wiped out
your 401 (K), and they are doing their best to see that you are left with
no pension at all. That alone should be reason enough to NOT pull a single
lever for a Republican on Nov. 5th. Send a message. Do something brave.

Yours,

Michael Moore
mike@michaelmoore.com
www.michaelmoore.com"

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: 
One would gather the "new" idea here on the guestbook is if you don't like a particular poster and/or their post, then one is obligated to discuss said poster and their corresponding post so as to then perpetuate the poster's activities and dialog.

Is there ANYONE who doesn't see the inherent lack of logic? (If so, scroll onward, scurvy brother or sister; there IS NO helping you.)

For those who are now thinking of any response along the lines of "if you don't like it, go elsewhere," if everyone did that, there'd only be four of you posting here, bitching to one another 'bout how deplorable each of you are.

Some perspective for consideration: does EVERY thought which is fired from your weary synapses have to be posted, regardless of how inane? If you were NOT you, would you want to read what you're posting? THINK before you POST. If it's not interesting, why post it?

Those who wish to continue and not heed any of this "wisdom," I hereby bequeath to you seven barrels of steaming, fetid boredom. Enjoy-

"This brother is free / I'll be who I want to be..." - Steely Dan, 'Deacon Blues'

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: hoops | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Hi!

Lynn McDaniel, aka Rose Darling, co-hostess and organizational force behind the award-winning Dallas Danfest, brought this tragic story about Belinda of the Naked Lunch to my attention. She asked me to assist by getting this out for her. Geoff, aka Hat2Flat, subsequently reminds us that Belinda played keys for Chuck Rainey at the Le Bar Bat Hall of Fame week gig and his mini-tour.

Check out the mentioned link and see how you can help.

ùh

---------

Dear Danophiles,

This isá plea for your support with a great cause. For those of you
whoáare not aware, a few weeks ago, Naked Lunch lost a very good friend and great musician. Belinda Lopez Warthen had played with us dozens of times and was a very important part of our sound for a couple of years. She passed away due to illness. It was an unexpectedáloss for us and the entire music scene in Dallas/Ft. Worth. Her husband, Brian, is still our bass player and he is reeling from mounting medical bills. We are playing a benefit show on NOVEMBER 14, 2002á(Thursday)áat THE GRANADA THEATER on
Greenville Avenue. The doors open at 7 and the music starts at 8 . This will be a great show at a great venue. Please tell everyone you know to come to the show and support the effort to cover Belinda's huge medical bills. Brian had no insurance and we can all do a little to help him out.

For more information, please visit our web site at http://www.nakedlunch.net [ click "homepage" at the right side of the header to this post ] and then click on the "Benefit Concert" button. We also thank KZPS 92.5 FM radio and the Granada Theater for all their help in putting this together.

Thanks very much for your help and we hope to see you there.

User: I think I get it now... | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: 
That means discrimination on the basis of a person's religion or country of origin is OK then?

It's only discrimination on the basis of a person's race that's a problem?

I don't think so.

Howard

User: Because Howard, | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: The "White" part is offensive because it relates to race.
"Muslim", "Christian", and "American" do not.

Glad I could help.

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: Interesting reading: "Analysis: Is al-Qaeda to blame?"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2360135.stm

(or follow homepage link above)

Howard

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: 
¦ : I appreciate your comments, even though we disagree on a lot. Although this guestbook doesn't have a lot of examples of people who express their disagreements clearly without it turning into personal abuse in about 5 minutes, I think we can both manage this.

By the way, I did spot the British intelligence connection, but didn't feel it was worth commenting on. Also, there have been several posters (not just Clas) who've said they agree with what I say, and who have appreciated my posts.

I *am* concerned about the recent problems in Northern Ireland. The "peace process" has struggled along for several years now, but at least there IS a peace process. Both sides have realised that the problems will be solved through dialogue, not through violence. I have confidence that enough people want the thing to be resolved, and that in time, progress will be made. To be honest, I am much more concerned about problems elsewhere in the world than I am about the IRA.

Why did you take my comments about a white american christian as offensive? I genuinely don't understand. My point was that it shouldn't matter what the race, religion, gender or favourite pop song of the sniper is. It doesn't make his crimes any worse. Here's my original quote:

"Does it make the sniper's crimes any worse if he is found to be a Muslim or Al Qaeda supporter, rather than a white american Christian?"

Why is the "white" part offensive, but not the "Muslim" or "christian" or "american" part?

You also say you were offended by "The notion that Al Qaeda will fade away without continuing to dismantle them piece by piece...". If you look at what I wrote, I never made any such suggestion. What I did say was "the goal of smoking out Bin Laden has faded somewhat", which I believe is true.

As for my post being just rhetoric, and having nothing constructive to say, I guess we disagree on this. I *did* suggest the kind of way forward that I believe is most likely to produce real results against terrorism in the longer term. I also heard an interesting comment on TV the other day, that we should do more (in the west) to embrace moderate Islam. That also sounds like a good idea that would help the longer term problem.

I was also re-emphasising what I consider to be the importance of not being narrow-minded in the approach to the problem of terrorism. It's not all about Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda IS an extremely dangerous terrorist group that threatens the lives of many people, and we should do all we can to make sure they are tracked down and caught, whichever country they happen to be in. But this doesn't mean that we should immediately look for a connection to Al Qaeda with every new terrorist outrage that occurs. As I said, we need to fight ALL terrorists. My impression is that the media in the US, and to some extent in the UK, are trying to wrap the Bali bombing, the sniper attacks, and other recent attacks all under the same heading of "Al Qaeda". My personal view is that this is in itself rather dangerous. It makes it easier for people to deal with, if it's presented in this simplified way, but I don't believe it's an accurate or helpful representation of what's going on.

There are currently terrorists in Moscow holding 600 people hostage and threatening to blow themselves up. They have already killed one woman. Such outrages will continue to crop up in many countries for many years. It's a long-term, co-ordinated effort by many countries that will gradually help to win the battle against such attacks.

Howard

User: King of the World | Month: 9 | Day: 25

Message: If Molly does indeed live in Hooterville, then this is an ideal location to begin implementing YGK's new anti-terrorism policy.

Not funny, but shorter than most of my posts. You may now all return to the in-fighting.

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: You're soaking in it -- Madge rhymes with . . . .

User: Jackie Chan | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Dano, You sway me.

Madge, you sway me osso. Velly funny. I must die waffing.
Grr( I canno pwonouce) You asso sway me.

Be sure and see my nest movie where I not just do stunt. I do seewious accing. Pwease take me seewiou.

User: grrl ... | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: jimbo - well done. that's verycool.

¦ - xl burka and a grrdl.

tumblin tumbleweed - xl timely.

amanda and matt - fresh like lavender. timely.

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Amanda: The photos are really wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

User: Phyllis Diller | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Madge, honey, go back to doing nails in dish soap...

User: madge | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: MUSIC..makes the people COME together.

User: Charlton Heston | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: *** BULLETIN ***

An individual the NRA might have referred to as a law-abiding gun owner has been captured in connection with the DC sniper case.

Gulf War veteran John Allen Muhammad reportedly had no prior criminal record and his "right" to own the high-powered and aptly named Bushmaster .223 assault rifle found in his vehicle has been championed by NRA. It is unknown whether the NRA will provide defense counsel for Muhammad.

The "right" of Americans -- including suspected terrorists and known terrorist-sympathizers -- not to have their gun records examined by the FBI is fiercely defended by the Bush/Ashcroft Justice Department. It is unknown at this time whether this policy hindered the sniper investigation.

John Allen Muhammad was arrested on federal firearms charges unrelated to the sniper attacks. If decent, sane Americans had not stood up to the Criminals' Lobby and the Republican Party, no such arrest would have been possible.

User: Dano | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: People , What is going on , back from York with Wife and Mancub and we are all at it givin it Large on the personal stakes , be cool says Dano.

Right , Here Goes

Duncan , Plenty of Water but plenty of Refreshments to cope with Deluge!!
Cheers for the heads up mate.

LP, You looked the Business ,in that trendy sweater you scene stealer you??

Malc , Look after the mancub on Friday mate , he will be outa control no doubt??

AUSSIE , BIG SHOUT.......GET TO BED , BIG DAY TOMORROW??

Snakie , Is yer Auld man running scared??

Aja , Hope you are well, Cassandra Wilson , Jury is still out on that one pet??

While at the Hotel , the boychild fell asleep and the wife came in the room with hardly anything on and said , Would you like super sex......

I said i would prefer the soup!!

On that note......

Regards
Dano.

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Jimbo: Got it. Great article.

Amanda: The site works very well and the pictures are wonderful. You can tell a lot of talent went into those shots, especially the vocalists.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Ari: Your chrome fez-less dome is frightening the GB...I hope you don't speak to the vicitms' families like that...

Also, I had no idea that you worked for Peter Jennings:

ABCNEWS site text:

"July 25 Headline: Preparing for Jihad in Alabama
subheading: Islamic Militant Training Camp Allegedly Operating in Alabama

A training camp linked to Islamic militant has been operating in Alabama and European law enforcement officials believe Muslim extremists were using it to prepare for a holy war.

British authorities also thought that militants from overseas were training in the United States to take advantage of America's gun laws, sources told ABC news. The looming question for law enforcement is whether there is a connection between the camp and the Al Qaeda terror network.

An investigation by Britain's Scotland Yard led to the discovery of the camp in Marion, Ala. The facility is called "Ground Zero USA."

Bullet-riddled police cars and a school bus with mannequin targets are scattered around the property. Inside a huge shed is an equally macabre scene - shot-up mannequins, male and female, in domestic settings, some with red, blood-like stains on them.

Ground Zero's operators promised state-of-the-art, world class training in automatic weapons, urban warfare, SWAT tactics and martial arts, supposedly to fight terror attacks.

Marion Police Chief Tony Buford said he became suspicious of the use of police cars and buses as targets.

"It was rumored that the camp here was used as a training site for possible people that were sent here to do bodily harm to Americans." Buford told ABSNEWS

WEB SITE PROVIDES TERROR LINK

The suspected terror ties of the Alabama camp were unknown until after Sept. 11 when officials in London arrested an accused al Qaeda supporter Zain-ul Albidin.

He is charged with the operation of a Web site, under the name of Sakina Security, allegedly recruiting Muslims for and Islamic jihad or holy war. He is now on trial in London.

The site, since taken down by British authorities, described what seemed to be an Alabama camp, including live-fire exercises at a state-of-the-art shooting range in the United States - something that would be not legal in Britain.

In the United States, it is not illegal for anyone to receive military training, high grade military training." said Rohan Gunaratna, author of 'Inside Al Qaeda.'

The actual owners of the camp, who are British, say it was used primarily to train law enforcement personnel, Officials consider them unwilling accomplices. The camp owners declined to talk to ABCNEWS.

SCALE OF SECRET CAMPS UNKNOWN

It is not known how many holy war recruits came through the camp or when. But the FBI is now investigating a number of suspected training camps around the country.

'We know of a number of cases where Islamic terrorists came and training in this country in the early 1990s. It is likely that this scale is still continuing.' Gunaratna said.

The most radical and belligerent of London's Islamic clerics, Abu Hamza, told ABCNEWS in a phone call that America's laws make such paramilitary planning easy, "like a picnic."

British intelligence officials told ABCNEWS they are closely examining alleged ties between Hamza, who is said to have recruited "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui, and Zain-ul Albidin."

Howard: Journalists and law officials in this country are trained to used the word "allegedly" unless there is a conviction (not that all follow this credo)...

Almost as disturbing as these senseless killings is that fact that it takes only a very few to paralyze and entire region of the country...

User: Amanda | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Hello all!

We have updated our Steely Dan Two Against Nature Tour website! There are a ton of never-before-seen photos, and we've given the whole site a face lift. Please stop on by for a visit at our same old address (see below or click above), and spread the word about the new site!

Thanks to your support our site has logged over 13,000 hits since we went online in May of 2000... we hope you enjoy the new changes!

See you soon...

Amanda
on behalf of
Amanda and Matt's Two Against Nature Tour 2000
http://members.aol.com/lovethisgig/index.html

User: AriFleischer | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Doctor Mu,

Please return my briefing book of lies. You regurgitate from it well but I need it ASAP as in the face of the urgent Iraqui and Al Quaeda threat the President instead hits the road at taxpayers expenses for two weeks of campaigning.

How ever will I spin that?

Your pal,

Ari

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Howard: Not worse or better on an individual basis. It means simply prepare for more of it - and that's bad news indeed. The US is not safe any more. Thus means that we in the US have to get serious about homeland security. Right now, this is blocked by the desire of some to have civil service as a part of the team. Have you ever seen a state overrun by Civil Servants? They don't do jack, and firing them takes a MINIMUM of 18 months. ...Well I have. Edwin Edwards set that up in Louisiana and it's NOT pretty...

Many of the para-military groups have been infiltrated by Al Qaeda - up to 5000 members have been estimated. Frankly, it's time we woke up. It's clear from the last 2 weeks that Americans will have a difficult time conjuring up the chronic bunker fortitude displayed by the British in 1940 and Israelis today. Secure the borders. Break up the para-military camps. Everyone in the US has a right to own a gun, but not to make up their own non-state (as in Illinois or Missouri or North Carolina) sponsored milita with the intent to kill our own citizens...Oliver's Army comes home... I don't think you caught that it was your own British Intelligence who made the link between the by capturing and questioning and Al Qaeda member...

No offense, but as well thought out as your musical contributions are, these comments have nothing constructive in them, just politcal rhetoric - no wonder Clas likes them. The IRA is rearing their ugly head again - I would think you would be more concerned about them at the moment. The comments about white males I took as offensive and inflammatory to both blacks and white...since no one here mentioned race...

The notion that Al Qaeda will fade away without continuing to dismantle them piece by piece, or is some figment of Bush's imagination is also offensive to the many who perished on 9/11 and also recently from the bomb in Bali, Yemen and those soon unfortunately to be targets of terrorism...we've only made a dent, a big one, but a dent. Instead of psychologists who wish to spew nonsense in front of the camera ad nauseum, we should be asking Engineers how this organization works! It's a highly structure SPECTRE jihad contructed by an Engineer and a Physician that uses Islam as a ploy of Power and Hate. Yes, these are hate crimes. The irony is that "hate crimes" in America carry harsher punishments...pretzel logic indeed...

I do agree about 2VN...

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: ANGEL- For now, just try www.jazzsteps.com and look under reviews.

Hopeully, it's there. If not, let me know.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Hi everyone!
Wild Bill- Re post 2541: Honey I don't think that was Taylor Dan. From the size of footprint on the lawn... I suspect it might have been Dennis Rodman in drag again. You promised me that you'd end it with him after the last drunken escapade the two of you had.. *sighs* Keep writing your part of our vows. I'm working on the Viking. He was pretty emphatic about not sharing... But he usually lets me have my way. *wink* The mental hospital says we can invite as many guests as we want.Re post 2550: Agree with you on both. Even though you're quite mad.. you have excellent taste in music. Umm if the baby has red hair and azure eyes... it doesn't mean a thing BTW.
Howard- I really enjoyed your post. Everyone I know tells me how phenomenonly good you play on Steely Knives.
Dragon-man- I thought you'd gone off and found yourself another witch. Glad you're still about. Talk soon?!
St.Al *kisses* I promised not to flirt... but can't help myself with you .

User: Latino Steely Dan? | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Check out WWW.geocities.com/terzomando

Click "salta introduzione"

VIVA STEELY DAN!

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Jimbo: Your link doesn't work. :-(
Congratulations and good luck with your new career.

St. Al: I've been wrong before, but I hope that light I am seeing at the end of the tunnel is not the proverbial oncoming train.

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: 
In reference to Becker & Fagen's upcoming appearance on Marian McPartland's 'Piano Jazz,' St. Al has hit the mark; in an interview a few years ago, Becker & Fagen were quoted as saying they don't listen to the radio, as there's really nothing to hear, excepting McPartland's excellent 'Piano Jazz' show (or something to that specific effect)...

I would suspect that quote is what led to their eventual scheduled appearance, with little connection to any upcoming recording(s) of their own.

For those who don't already know, Marian McPartland's show is broadcast here in the tri-state area on Jazz 88 (WBGO-88.3FM), on Thursdays at 7:00pm; the station also broadcasts on the web - check out their site at www.wbgo.org for further details.

"Learn to work / the saxophone / I play just what I feel..." - Steely Dan, 'Deacon Blues'

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Howard, great post!

User: Bill@WhichWayDidHeGo.Com | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Another sunny day, full of promise and possibility my friends.
Don't waste it.

And The Nominees For "Best Song Of Y2K+2" are...

"The Zyphr Song" - Red Hot Chili Peppers
A wonderfully simple song that captures the more hopeful side
of rock music. The video, which captures the emotion of late 60's/
early 70's rock, is splendidly done.

"Game Of Love" - Carlos Santana with Michelle Branch
Carlos Santana at his best. The mix of old and young provided
by the Michelle Branch vocals works brilliantly.

I guess some artistically imaginative music is still being made
thank god.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Howard - well said. On both issues.

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: 
There *could* be a link between the Alabama training camp and Al Qaeda, but it would be fair to say the link has yet to be proven.

What the report says is that a guy *accused* of being an Al Qaeda supporter is *alleged* to have run a website that mentioned the Alabama camp. The links could be stronger than this, but we don't know at present.

Also, doesn't this only emphasise the importance of NOT focussing on individual people, groups or countries? Does it make the sniper's crimes any worse if he is found to be a Muslim or Al Qaeda supporter, rather than a white american Christian? This isn't a battle against Al Qaeda or Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. It's a battle (or at least it SHOULD be a battle) against terrorism, in any and all of it's manifestations. This battle won't be won by targeting Iraq or Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden. It will be won, slowly and gradually, if we co-ordinate intelligence and root out any terrorist activity by any group in any country. The aftermath of Sept 11th already showed that there was significant terrorist activity and/or planning going on in Germany, the UK, the US, Canada and other countries...

Now that the goal of "smoking out" Bin Laden has faded somewhat, the current, almost exclusive preoccupation with Al Qaeda and Iraq may make convenient and simple news stories, and it may help Bush's popularity, but the battle against terror is much more complicated than that, and it is going to take many many years of fighting to get real results.

... and now, for some genuine SD content:

Listening (for about the 350th time?) to 2VN, a couple of thoughts came to mind.

1. This is still a superb album. When you're anticipating certain songs, certain lyrics, certain chord changes, certain solos, you know you've been bitten.
2. Walter's guitar work has never sounded better. In the studio, where they have the chance to try different takes, and do a little editing if required, they really do get the best out of his uniquely tasty, bluesy phrasing. I'm not against a couple of solo guitar spots for someone else, but I'll be disappointed if there isn't plenty of Walter's guitar on the next one.
3. The start of the vibes solo in Negative Girl is an amazing example of leaving space. You need confidence for that! Amazing: a few notes - big pause - another couple of notes - another big space. You need guts to pull that off.

Howard

User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: Dunc/Dr mu; How come it took Scotland Yard to find out about a training camp in Alabama ??

Bluz; Got mails ? what d'ya think ? can we work it ?

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: 
"No easy way to be free..." - Pete Townshend, 'Slip Kid,' 1975

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: A question for Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Why do you even dignify Molly's twaddle with a response? Why would ANYbody? It's like in the old days (a few weeks ago) when Clas would post some inflammatory drivel designed solely to piss off as many posters as possible, and just like starving mackerels, a dozen people would take the bait and attempt to verbally flay him. Meanwhile he's chuckling about how predictible we stupid Yankees are...

Want to disarm this foolish person? Do like my Mom told me years ago: Ignore her and she'll go away.

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Molly-how about you and I talk directly? 1:1 in chat?

Aja

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: YGK: My Lord! To be outted in such manner....too much for words. Much too kind....so much so that I'm actually embarrassed.
Mistre Sombrero? ROFLMAO!

But seriously: GB denizens of the greater metropolitan area are welcome to enjoy a flute or two or three of the finest champagne at the Bull and Bear Bear bar at the Waldorf right around noon o'clock this coming Friday.

And Chere-voodu-chile-lover-sweetiepie-supreme, if you're reading this, I need to hablar contigo toots sweet.

Love one another,
Aus

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: I'm beginning to think that people are longing for the days of shameless tribute band plugging. Has anyone seen Vince, the SF Rally Chicken invented to counteract the Anaheim Rally Monkey? www.rallychicken.com

User: Aja.......SSDD | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Well said, YGK, Gina, and Paige.....the more things change around here, the more they stay the same-but the place is usually jumping.

Thanks again, lp-you're a great cyber-friend ;o) The Viking's post just made me laugh. I think the hallmark of being a GB veteran is that you don't take anyone's opinion about you seriously if they haven't actually met you.

That being said, Molly (and anybody else) is free to discount anything I've written. I can't believe how seriously some people take this place sometimes. For those who care, I was going through the archives looking for a specific post I'd written a while back when I happened to notice that all the "love letters" and posts from "Tex" were all generated from the same address as Molly. I decided to post it because I couldn't keep looking the other way every time one of those posts came by when I knew the truth about its origin-what good does that do, anyway? And I signed my name to it. I didn't expect everyone to agree with my decision, but so be it. I have nothing personal against Molly. How could I? I've never met her.

'nuff said on that.

Aja

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: :don't forget, everyone, Friday is a special day 'round these parts:
a one cigar smoking, bow--tie wearing SMD (VIP) future mayor of NYC
Birfday
that's right, now, I know, Bill, you can't wait to give him your best, but
the time is nearly now, my friends -
Mr. Sombrero, Mr. Everybody's fred (said, 'friend' with a cold")
Mr. "I'm going to Paris for the Weekend"
the one
the only
nice guy
with Entertaining Replys

Mr. Aussie Torres' Birfday is Friday, folks.....

Join us for a mild (ha!) cocktial hour beginning at the closing bell
at the Waldorf Astoria - Park Avenue at 50th Street
I managed to get Eartha Kitt to sing him Happy Birthday
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaao!
Dahhhhhhhlink......

Anyone else is welcome to join in:
The password to James at the door is 'prick'.....

see you then!

ygk

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Bluz: e-mail me about Wes M.
I don't know where to start !!!!

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Dr. Mu: Thanks, that was great!

Moll: Nobody likes a winner. I think they're just jealous of you. You've got more going for you than 5 people.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Hello everyone! It's a beautiful day in Hooterville. I hope it's nice where you are at too.Thanks to everyone who's lended me your support. The negative things being said really doesn't matter to me. I know who I am. I know what is the truth. The people who know me; seem to know as well. I am not some souless, narcissistic, slut.
Clas, my Sugarman I know now you are my long lost half-brother. Dean would have said a very similar thing. *wink* Alas, the upcoming Nuptials between me and Wild Bill have been canceled. While he was in agreement to share my affections... My Viking Warrior was not.
YGK, You seem like a very nice person. I enjoy your posts and loved your music. I am weary of defending myself.. my actions and those of my friends. I have no more time than You..Dr.Mu or anyone else here. My Friends that have posted here were not leaving me adoring love notes. They were joking with me. Perhaps not very good jokes, but jokes nonetheless.
Duncan, You didn't like David Gray's first Cd? I loved it! Am so looking forward to getting his new one.
Jjeff, Well darlin! My point is why doesn't xxxx look after her own sex life, and leave her nose out of mine? I particularly liked the one posted as my Neighbor. It was pretty indicative of her personality.
My Vikng, I'm not angry with you baby. You just got your Viking blood up a bit. I'm glad you're working on your temper BTW. lol lol No matter what you say,the "proof" you offer up, it won't matter to some people. Both Jon and Stan have put their names on this board. It made no difference. Some people are just mean. That was the reason I asked you not to respond. *kisses~~~~~~~~*

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Dr Mu: I have seen some of that before, but the new ones are very funny. I especially love the Italians....
(Chick-Fil-A is a sponsor, so we see lots of "Chikin" here).

Blaise!!!!!!!!! (nuff said)

jk mentioned on the Blue that he feels the "Piano Jazz" taping is the first hint of "The Machine" going into action. I tend to agree, especially since we have seen nothing from Don and Walt for the past 2 years, except for awards shows. They don't normally go out doing shows, unless they have to. Definitely looking like something might be coming our way soon.

LP: Yeah, I read that interview with Donald, too. Never dull reading with Donald or Walter. Definitely worth checking out.

ICPaul: Glad you are doing better.

User: John Barnes | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: HEY SNIPER
I'm over here !!!

User: Dokter Moo - eat mo' chikin | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: DEMOCRAT:
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you
to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.
The people you voted for then take the tax money, buy a cow and give
it to your neighbor.
You feel righteous.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

SOCIALIST:
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.


REPUBLICAN:
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?


COMMUNIST:
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.


CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.


DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows.
The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support
a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.


BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows.
The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain.


AMERICAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.
You force the 2 cows to produce the milk of four cows.
You are surprised when one cow drops dead.
You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.
Your stock goes up.


FRENCH CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You go on strike because you want three cows.
You go to lunch.
Life is good.


JAPANESE CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow
and produce twenty times the milk.
They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.
Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

GERMAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give
excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour.
Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.


ITALIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.
You break for lunch.
Life is good.


RUSSIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You have some more vodka.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
You count them again and learn you have 12 cows.
You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.
You produce your 10th, 5-year plan in the last 3 months.
The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION:
You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private
parts.
At night when no one is looking, you have sex with both of them.
Then you kill them and claim a US bomb blew them up while they were in the hospital.


POLISH CORPORATION:
You have two bulls.
Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.

FLORIDA CORPORATION:
You have a black cow and a brown cow.
Everyone votes for the best looking one.
Some of the people who like the brown one best, vote for the black
one.
Some people vote for both.
Some people vote for neither.
Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.
Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which is the
best-looking one.


NEW YORK CORPORATION:
You have fifteen million cows.
You have to choose which one will be the leader of the herd, so you
pick some fat cow from Arkansas.

C: Loosen up, you're incriminating yourself...Hey, I know why Donald Fagen can't read music. He's BLIND!!! Ever see him without those sunglasses??? ..a Jewish Ray Charles...check him out on the Rhodes in Plush... mwwwwhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Because the Taliban cannot stand nudity and consider it a sin to see a
naked woman who is not his wife, next Saturday afternoon at 2:00 p.m.EST,
all American women are asked to walk out of their houses completely naked
to help weed out any neighborhood terrorists.

Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti-terrorist
effort. All men should position themselves in lawn chairs in front of their
homes to prove that they think it's OK to see other women nude. (Since the
enemy does not approve of alcohol, a cold six-pack at your side is further
proof of your anti-Taliban sentiment.)

Notify the FBI of any neighbors who do not participate. Your efforts to
root out terrorists will be greatly appreciated and indicate your desire to
demonstrate your patriotism.

To achieve 100% participation, forward this note to other similarly
minded patriots.

God Bless America

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: but the good news is: Blaise's back everyone! now that is a good thing...

missing other posters in lurkdom, see too many known names only on the blue now...

got caught up on the blue last night, and there is a good 1994 interview of donald fagen if you scroll down a ways, it's worth the trip

User: lcpaul | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Jackson Browne's "The Naked Ride Home" is out on the market. Pure crap!

And Peter Gabriel, he's out with a new one too. You have to listen to that one, I have already done that, and it's plain brilliant, trust me.

p:)

User: YGK | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Well, the cycle continues, folks - I guess the only benefit to being a veteran 'round these parts is knowing the History of the place, and the actions of some of the more vocal, mundane posters.

Remember, the Truth is out there! And while being slammed by those I know and don't know is pointless, and does me no harm, anyone who is a newbie, i.e. in the last two years of posting/reading/scrolling, there are those who consistently fall back to cyclical behaviour, behaviour that exposes them to being the bold-faced liars they are.
Clas is a number one candidate, and if you really want to read the archives, go back to the point where he actually harassed a certain Maxine, whom I had the pleasure of meeting, and shared with me her terrifying story.

But those that know, know. As Dr. Know, I've merely pointed out what most psychologists/psychotherapists would point out - what is painfully obvious. My ability to get laid has nothing to do with it; and one who puts another's self-worth on their sexual prowess surely has their priorities askew.

Those who have met me - and there are a few - can vouch for me, and I certainly don't need to defend myself at all.

It's really all comical - and partly, said: Shoutouts to Aja, LP, Aus, Wormy (where are you?), Ole, MC, fezo and the myriad of othersà..

ygk

User: jason no i didn't forget to fill in all required fields | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: I actually put my nervous system through hell by reading a whole column of posts. I made detailed notes, and did a fairly long post answering half a dozen people. Then, with no warning, my using the "backspace" key obliterated my post, when I'd been using it to coirrect my spelling with no problem, up till then. Every fifth post or so that ido gets destroyed like this, usually the longet and more elaborately thought-out ones. I screamed when this happened. God would like to stick pokers in my eyes, i know. "There! Think there was some POINT to all that reading you just put your eyes through? THERE!! It's gone ! " "You did it for nothing!" And you think i don't think i'm goping to hell for saying that? You can't get allergic to basically the whole world, without feeling God must exist, and He hates your guts. There. I defend my right to do this kind of thing in public once in a while. It's sick to hold everything in, forever, and damaging. If i get my first flaming for this.....

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: B - not much to catch up with, except for one thing:

Jackson Browne's "The Naked Ride Home" is out on the market. Great stuff!

And Peter Gabriel, he's out with a new one too. You don't have to listen to that one, I have already done that, and it's plain crap, trust me.

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: JJeff: Yes....good colour commentary on the Saturday Night Live skit where Steely Dan featured prominently (performed this past Saturday October 19th at NBC Studios in New York City). I have friends who help produce the show and will try to get my hands on a tape from that evening's performance.

While I agree that the show was rather lacklustre, (and yes! "The Ambiguously Gay Duo" skit always has yours truly in stitches)I personally thought the night's featured musical act "The Stripes" were terrific.....especially the cutie pie on the drums. FloriDavid briefly mentioned them in a recent post, and David, if your reading this, I'd like to know more about these cats.....

Everybody: Have a great hump day, and try to put some joy into your lives.

Aus

User: db | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: I'm taking the boys to see Fishbone in a couple of weeks.
Checking out the latest details...found this

Guestbook, O Guestbook...
whereforartthou?

Gone. At least for the time being. Why? Because, in an unfortunate exercise of modern-age daytime talkshow style infantilism, the guestbook was being used as a tool for public dissemination of very private matters.
So, rather than involuntarily becoming a public forum for someone else's designs, I've shut it down.

Sounds familier.

A sign of things to come ?

User: Tumblin' Tumbleweeds | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: 
Back in the saddle again
Where a friend is a friend

Jude love em' is right" BB

I sit here like a Buddah watching you,
Trying to make some sense of why and what you do.
Doesn't your life offer you that something real.
It seems to me you dig up pain,
To remind yourself that you feel.

You look back in the mirror, but you just
can't see that certain kind of person that
you want to be. And then I get the
feeling that you breathe me in and you're,
swallowing.

It must be hard for you to be so bare,
No love to fulfil you hiding deep in there..
You think you can attach yourself to
something cool, and in some way it'll
make you feel a little less a fool.

"swallowing"

J.tzuke/D.goodes

bluz

User: B | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: St Al, can I stay as well like that and be all I can be?
Say yes.
Seeking the blessing of the patron saint first and foremost here, as it should be. That's how truly considerate and kind I am.
Clas, you old shoe buddy...
Still telling it like it is, I see, for the most part.
Lots of catching up to do... or is there?

B

P.S, Roger Nichols, let go of that already.
Happy 30th, CBAT.
hint hint

User: Beerberian | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: GB; Well said Mr C ààà. self assumed veteran status holds no rank with me either !!! What I find amazing is the continual need for in-depth character analysis/assassination that is ONLY apparently the right of an American Dan fan . Well now Mr, & particularly Mrs US of A, I donÆt want, or need to be told about my character defects by amateur shrinks à and I would guess neither does Moll à

As for ôNarcissistic Collectivizationö û Do me a favour !!!!! ANYONE who posts on a GB has an element of Self ôlook at meö and ALL my friends à Hell IÆve tried Jokes , Lyrics , Crappy Poetry, Reviews àwell you name it, to get in with the flow, AND you know IÆm not sure itÆs really worth the effort - You just meet up with same wagons in the same angular circle and yeah the same smug little aÆholes on the inside snickering away like they KNOW stuff !! However circling the INNER SANCTAMONIUM, in the outlands, ætween the rollinÆ tumbleweeds you CAN find a few more friendly souls à They know who they are àà.Jude love æem

The really narcissistic personalities on here exhibit an exaggerated and unjustified sense of self-importance bordering on sociopathy. They know what they are doing and that it is wrong but believe the expression of their ideas and their own recalculation of ômoralityö and even of the harm done to others (ôcollateral damageö) justifies this behavior.

You can change, but you can't conceal
What's deep inside you
lt's your game, lt's your deal
So do what you want to do
But be what you are ...

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Molly - don't mind Aja. She's just pissed because nobody's talking about her "friends" in that Steely Dan cover band no more, (BobLovesBob & Co). I guess Aja's the one who could need a life. Or at least a child.

I have been here for (soon) seven years Molly. I don't give a shit of veteran-status or whatever them girls are calling it. It took me several years to understand the stuff around here, and I have said stupid things, I have responded to stupid things, and as you are now, I was then, new to the internet.

I was a victim of a veritable witch-hunt from some of the guys here, Kinky (a rich mamas boy from Scarsdale), dr MU and other people on this board. They accused me for calling up US-girls and sexually harass them, they accused me for posting gross perverted porno-pics on this site, and one of the most loving and self-righeous of them all, YGK, Malcolm "See Eye to Eye" Hunter, was some time ago un-masked as one of the most frequent anonymous posters on this place; R.O.C.K. in U.S.A. (and God knows how many others). Go to the archives and see what he said under that handle.

StAl once said to me, -Stay, and be who you are.

So, I decided to stay here, just for the hell of it. My advice to you is to do the same.

User: lcpaul | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: jjeff - I'm better than I was, thanks. Pancreatitis, which brings with it the prospect of never touching alcohol again. Damn!

St Al - we do get some world-class acts down here - Jamiraquai (sp?) has just finished a whistle-stop tour of South Africa.

However, thought some of you might like to know what it's really like to live in the third world. Check this out:

King's grab-a-girl crusade ignites widespread outrage

By Sunday correspondent

IN SWAZILAND King Mswati III is the absolute ruler, the master of all he
surveys and, indeed, he who-as with most national assets-holds the country's
'female resources' in trust for the Swazi nation.

Very few if any of the nine wives he has married were taken through
negotiation or by consent; neither by themselves nor by their parents.

It has not been the case with the past kings though. In the past, according
to historians, royal emissaries consulted with the families of a Swazi
king's prospective fiancTe. Traditional weddings, including the presentation
of gifts, were planned through family palaver.

King Sobhuza II, Mswati's father, had 99 wives and an estimated 250
children. But King Mswati, at this rate, is set to break that record.

At 34, Sobhuza, crowned king at the age of 22 in 1921, had only three wives.
King Mswati (34) has nine in only 16 years of reign. And he is not slowing
down.

During this past month, the centuries old tradition took an astonishing new
dimension as news emerged that the king, through his 'auxiliary eyes'-the
royal emissaries-has identified three maidens, all of whom had attended this
year's Reed Dance ceremony, to be his brides.

All three, Noliqhwa Ntentesa, Sandra Dlamini and Zena Soraya Mahlangu, all
aged 18, were school going. They are now kept at different royal residences
pending a ritualistic induction said to be administered by the Queen, the
biological mother of the king, before they can be taken to the king for
either rejection or confirmation as brides.

The 'induction' process, according to traditional experts, involves removing
the bride's clothes for inspection which are then replaced by pattern
clothes which she must be wearing on her appearance before the groom-to-be.
If she is confirmed, she will, at a date to be appointed, be smeared with
red ochre, and have a goat's bile-sac tied to her hair. The process is
called Kuteka, marriage by Swaziland Law and Custom.

Those who never get to this stage among the chosen ones are never allowed to
go back to their homes either. They are given to senior princes, normally
who are not very successful in the courting portfolio.

"Because they have been touched by the claw of the lion (king's hand),"
explained Prince Jahamnyama, a national court judge and noted connoisseur of
local traditions, "she cannot be allowed to go back to society and continue
to mix with the same crowd."

The widespread legend is that women that have been 'touched' by the king
possess very intense occult powers that could make a weaker (non-royalty)
man lose his mental faculties or even become a zombie if he does not bleed
through the nose until he dies. There is so far no known case of anyone of
has dared attempt to establish the veracity of this myth.

But the tradition, for the first time in history, has been challenged.

Lindiwe Dlamini, Communications Manager at the Swaziland Posts and
Tele-communications, a single parent of twins, on Tuesday October 15 took
the king to court to challenge what she called "abduction" of her daughter,
Zena, who was doing her A-Levels at Mlalatini Training Centre, 20 kilometres
from Mbabane city centre.

But because the king is above the law in Swaziland, cited in the litigation
papers are the two emissaries who carried out the abduction, Qethuka
Dlamini-the official king's praise-singer-and Tulujane Sikhondze, a royal
hanger-on.

Dlamini told the presiding Chief Justice Stanley Sapire that her child, born
June 29, 1984, could not be a king's fiancee because she is a twin, saying
traditional tenets prohibited such an arrangement. She also said she did not
believe that the king would be "party to the abusive and unlawful abduction"
of a child "without her mother's consent."

She said the two came to her home on September 22, 2002, and claimed to have
been sent by the king to request that Zena should be taken to an unspecified
royal residence. The request was turned down because they had nothing
written to confirm that they had indeed been sent by the king. The king has
not been in the country since Sunday.

However, the Attorney General stepped in and informed the court that the
king had left him instructions to the effect that all processes in this
matter should be he held in abeyance pending his return from abroad. The
matter was postponed to Monday, October 21, for argument.

Meanwhile, the emissaries on Friday filed documents claiming that the girl
has for sometime been involved in a relationship with the king. They even
argued that "it was the girl who invited us to collect her." But Zena has
not filed any affidavit herself confirming or rebutting these claims.
Besides, the king does not flirt with women outside marriage and it is
inconceivable how he could engage in an open relationship with a civilian
girl who was still under parental care, and without anyone else knowing
about it.

The mother's lawsuit is unprecedented and so is King Mswati's manner of
picking new wives.

The whole debacle has sparked a fierce outcry among the general populace,
especially gender activists.

"It's actually abduction in the pure criminal sense," said Nomcebo Dlamini,
acting national co-ordinator for Women in Law for Southern Africa's
Swaziland branch. "Abduction is a criminal offence, which may have serious
lasting effects on a child like Zena."

Cynthia Simelane, president of the Swaziland National Association of
Journalists, described a culture like this as cruel and insensitive one that
must be done away with urgently to pave way for the unfolding constitutional
reforms in the country.

"As a woman and a mother myself, I know what Lindiwe is feeling right now

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: I hated David Grey's last CD, & all the singles from it.
However the new track currently being played on the radio is a little strange.

This may be one for the musicians here.

There are some strange chords used & in a funny order.. I would be interested in knowing what they are.

It sounds like the old Sabbath / Zepplin thing, where ''odd'' notes are arranged in a particular order to make you listen.

There's a name for this chord.. but I've forgotten

The single's called ''dead in the water''

I could be imagining the whole thing though.

Dano: take care in Yorkà it's flooded.
Paige: Hello againà. Long time

db

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Oh, I don't know. My dog thought it was natural.

-Paige

User: DeLtA yAwN | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: anyone heard the new santana? love the track with seal. amorT (sexo) featuring macy gray is also good.

User: xxx=Jennifer | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: I guess some folks here would feel better if I posted my name so here it is. Maybe you will feel better if you can call me by name when
you say I have no character or cannot get attention from men. Something in the "Vikings" post gives me the feeling that Molly has access to another computer
ter because the "Viking" has her same old story....all the women on the board are jealous of her and all the men find her to be "the
sexiest thing on legs" to borrow a phrase. Molly.....honestly.....you are one of the LAST people I would want to emulate because
I think there is no truth to you. You have many aliases and stories to tell...just which ones are true? So why DID you make all those
posts to yourself? I think the good Doctor has diagnosed you correctly. It verifies your existence, however sad it is.
Aja, you only said what a lot of others have been thinking all along. We have all had enough of the gaggingly sweet southern belle crap.
Molly, instead of lashing out with whatever
character suits you, think about what is being said for once. I almost feel a little guilty about saying all this to you, but you really
do need to get some help. And so do your "friends" who suggest unnatural acts with dogs.

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Prozac anyone?

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Lp-point taken-but veteran status dont give her the right to be such an arsehole does it?

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Lp-point taken-but veteran status dont give her the right to be such an arsehole does it?

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: jason: One more, Reagan's financial support and the Pope's moral support of the Polish solidarity struggle...

"Ronald Reagan played an invaluable role in bringing about the fall of communism and ending the Cold War without resorting to military solutions. Without his great political sense and prudence, instead of the popping of champagne corks, the world would have heard real artillery shots. We [in the Solidarity movement] sensed President Reagan's support and understanding and never had to ask for or demand it. This is not something easily found in the world of politics."
--Lech Walesa

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: you know, this brings up, once again, the nagging cyber-philosophical question on whether or not a veteran poster has status, and what cyber-status is

don't get violent in your response, just think it through

i suppose that lets in the light of free speech in cyberspace too and whatever the hell that means

i must admit i am cringing at viking's post to aja - not just becasue aja is a cyber-pal of mine, but more because, as i believe, one of the almost original posters on this board, or at least one who appears to have held out the longest without casting themselves to lurkdom or the blue board, she has some veteran status in my mind

does that mean i would never disagree with her, of course not - but to disagree so violently, nah

irregardless of the fact she made some valid arguments about molly's cyber-behavior, and that she may be saying what others feel funny about saying but secretly agree with her,...um... i was about to type something about cyber-respect for veteran posters, but it sounds so silly when i type it, but, does anyone else get the oddity here?

i know, scroll on by - but there's so much to scroll by now

and you people thought sybil was a pain the cyber-ass - HA! at least it was funny sometimes...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: jason: Gorby played a role, but he was as much lead by circumstances and pressures as any initiatives he took. There are far more books and documents on the End of the Cold War than Reagan ever read in his entire life...but most most serious historians see a COMBINATION of number of factors:

(1) Reagan egging the Soviets into economic and military competition

(2) Soviets falling behind in technology in both the military and economic from Wheat production to the threat of SDI development...

(3) Underestimation by Gorbachev of the nationalistic forces in Eastern European countries and the Central Asian "republics" within the Soviet Union power sphere...

(4) Gorbachev continuing the reforms started by Andropov - he felt he didn't have any choice if he wanted to retain power given the first 3

(5) Two opposing leaders Reagan and Gorbachev whose ultimate goal was never to use nukes

There's some interesting information from formerly restricted and top security documents. This type of documentation is interesting and fact gathering in nature in that it distinct from political rhetoric or spin on the information and with a purpose to gather correct information that a nation's lives depend upon

http://www.odci.gov/csi/books/19335/art-1.html

Non-intelligence info also indicates that Gorbachev really tried to simply continue the economic reforms started by Andropov in 1983. Remeber, Gorbachev was not preimier until 1985. The idea again was to compete with the US for economic and political power. This was spurred by the American economic recovery in 1983 managed by Voelker (precedent to Greenspan). The Soviets had been focusing on continued imperialism to try to make up for the fact that their econmy had been floundering since Breshnev took over in the early 70s. Before that, despite Communism, the conquests of Eastern Europe and corralling half of the German scientists allowed the Soviets to be somewhat competitive. They did launch Cosmonauts into space before US...

http://www.time.com/time/special/moy/1983.html

...Conquest kept the Vikings afloat for 100s of years...

Remember on the world stage, people just don't give away power for free, especially those running a mulinational empire...That's why the Marshall Plan is such an exception providing a great deal of stability at least in Western Europe that the Treaty of Versailles failed to do...

Bill: Clas was just the same while Clinton was President and probably when W was still drinking...

User: The Viking a.k.a. Peter from Scotland(emailsuppliedforfuntimeshaha) | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Well now-I go away for a few and look what fuckin happens eh? I dont know-I cant leave you kids alone for one second and you're all acting like, well, like kids.

Ok-AJA-youre a vindictive cowardly bitch-did you happen to check any of my posts for ISP's? I bet you did, was it Molly's computer as well? No it wasn't, you nasty sad cow - is this really the only way you have to vent all that anger you so clearly have inside? Go punch a bag, run a mile, screw your dog, who cares, just give it a rest yeah?

Dr Know-this is the only way you can get women to notice you aint it? Side with the majority and then dazzle them with your stunning wit and interesting talk - I don't fucking think. You sad 40 something loser - go home and have a wank, you'll feel loads better. Certainly no chance of you gettin laid anyway eh?

And to the anonomous four x (shitty ozz beer by the way) at least own your posts - at least everyone else don't have to hide having at least some kind of character - Oh sorry I forgot, you've probably not really got any character at all eh?
Face facts, you ladies (I use the term in it's loosest sense) are so clearly jealous of someone who is happy and can get as much male attention as she likes that it's laughable, surely your good Dr would be able to spot that shit a mile away. And as for the guys - well, your loss - Molly's all she says she is and more - stop tryin to get a fumble behind the bikesheds with the cheerleaders and think for a minute eh?
I'll give out my home address and telephone number to anyone on here who doubts that I aint Molly - I'm very Scottish, I live in Scotland and I'm definitely male, but what use is saying that without any proof?
Check my ISP now Aja - please report your findings !!

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: 
Viewing the latest in-depth and engaging posts from various astute contributors, there is but one question that comes to mind for those who are truly aligned with the lyrical and intellectual whole upon which this website and guestbook are (supposed to be) based. To wit:

"Who are these assholes who scheme and run wild?"

In the spirit of the noble and brilliant Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, I render unto you these words as well: post on, you poor bastards, as bad craziness abounds-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: jjeff: How about the Knights who say Neek (sp). I think I can do a head thingy, beard and long black robe. Add a bit of shrubbery to the headdress and I am set. Robin's outfit is a white and green checkerboard with a chicken on his chest and shield. I bit too much for me.... :-)

Thanks for the detail on the skit. Too funny....

User: arlean | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: who cares and why should we? what ever it takes to get you through your day. what ever you write,you took the time to share that with the world. like who is one to judge or question, analize or criticize. it's a waste of energy that could of been spent elsewhere.

now molly, she didn't just flame me.......she put a blow torch to my butt! and i felt numb for a time, but i did not respond. she figured me out in time, i hope. and that i wasn't xxxx or somebody else putting her down. i don't have the time or energy to put someone else down.

no matter what you think, do or say, you don't know her. neither do i.

i don't always agree with her, but, hey, so what.

she's just twirling in the world like some of us. and it gets her through her day.

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: ... and sniper talk only feeds the fire, if it must be said.

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: The fall colours peaked in N.S. last Wednesday after which we had a grand old windy rainstorm. We're down to yellows and browns. I was cleaning up on Thursday getting ready for winter, taking the hose in, emptying the water buckets, when I decided to take the birdhouse in. It's been occupied by a flying squirrel! Truly! I've never seen one before but it stuck it's head out of the hole and it can't be anything else. A chinchilla-looking head with little ears and big eyes. I doubt if it's the same one that claimed tenancy in my brothers vacuum cleaner. So I guess I'll have to leave the birdhouse up because it's hunkered down for the winter. Hope it's warm enough. I can feed it but I can't keep it warm.

Angel: Let me know what the decision for costume will be. Brave Sir Robin. LOL

Charmer/Aussie: The SNL skit was the only bright light in a dull show( except for The Ambiguously Gay Duo). For those of you who missed it: The skit takes place in junior high where the Video club are doing a show for the school hosted by the newest girl on SNL and her sidekick Sheldon( played by Rachel Dretch) with a house band called the Jazz 20( or something like that). They discuss Halloween costumes. The host is dressed as a hula dancer with jeans on and Sheldon is some quasi-famous business man, I think. Anyway their first guest is their favorite teacher( played poorly by Senator John McCain, SNL's actual host) a throwback from the sixties, who has decided to carve the" entire original lineup of Steely Dan" and there are only 4. Walt and Donald are great. Skunk, I guess, because he's bearded and glassed is O.K. Then there's one who looks like the singer in the CBAT inner jacket. No Dias! Or were there 4 before Dias? Any way Sheldon says," That's a dead on Donald Fagen". It woke me up and made me smile.

J a s o n: # 2419. Stated quite well. IMHO communism is an ideal that's impossible when you involve humans because it creates an environment very prone to corruption. Ideal but impossible.

lcpaul: A week in the hospital. That wasn't just observation. Hope you're O.K.

Molly: Who WOULDN"T want a better sex life.

Gina: Hikikomori. Wild stuff. I'll look it up later.

Paige: #2477.It is a quandry,eh?

Aja: #2482. Anything's better than Survivor

Bought UP. I can honestly say I don't like the first cut. Too NIN sounding. The rest will grow on me. I like the cut( I'm at work and don't know the titles yet) with Nusrat Fahti Ali Khan who I thought died 2 years ago, but the credits state," NFAK APPEARS courtesy of....." not APPEARED which is a hoot now that I think about it. SHAZAM!! Hear I am dressed in my genie pants and ululating. I had it on quite loud so I could hear it outside while I worked, and a friend happened by while that cut was playing. NFAK does make an impression, for sure. "What the hell is that you got playin'?" was his statement.

Joni in the fall, eh? Appropriate.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: or is it 11/17...who knows - off to check the site

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: angel: I think 05/04/03 is a Sunday or something, but I'm sticking with it anyway...That's IT! - the NEXT Ones will be call "Kablooiieee!!" with all the surreal sales and politcal ramifications it deserves...

grrrrrl: Geeky is kewl...uuhhhhhhhh, what are you wearing?

While waiting for The Nightfly in DVD-A to be delivered somewhere around 11/7, I'll keep in mind the concise words of Dr. Walter Becker:

"We applaud the development of any new format that means our old albums may possibly be resold."

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: mc - my 9 year old has a crush on john mayer, so it gets alot of play in our pine room too - sounds so clean - she could have worse crushes i suppose - i didn't however like his attitude in concert, but i try to forget that when i hear him

aja - saw cassandra wilson a long time ago at the regattabar in harvard square (mib, nmn, are you still lurking?) and she was stupendous!

User: just checking for computer config output here | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: neat.
Thanks!

User: Petre Parkre | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: More beautifully stated, perfectly sane and rational reasons for going to war with Iraq:

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--The economy could benefit from a war, said John
Challenger, chief executive of Challenger Gray & Christmas.
"It will create modern warfare kinds of jobs" for technology and logistics
professionals, Challenger said in a CNBC interview Tuesday.
Defense and gun companies would benefit from the war, he added. And if the
war disrupts oil product, alternative fuel companies could benefit.

(END) DOW JONES NEWS 10-22-02
02:10 PM- - 02 10 PM EDT 10-22-02

User: Aja.........more cyber-wacko-ness | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: St. Al.-I know, I thought of that, but it was still an eye-opening stroll through the archives yesterday. You must sit back and laugh your ass off at us! ;o)

This GB is better than "Survivor" as far as exhibitions of behavioral extremes for our collective entertainment.

Thanks for having my back, lp. Sorry Molly-I see you wrote a lengthy post about me, but I didn't read it. I have no idea why you are compelled to do some of the things you've done on here, but therapy (rather than acting out on the Internet) would probably be a better use of your time. That's not an attack, either, but I'm sure you'll take it as such, like you do everything else.

I finally heard Cassandra Wilson yesterday on Jazz88. She's awesome! I remember chere (oh chere, come back, come back!) couldn't say enough good things about her. Does anybody have any recs for CDs?

Now I'm going to piss myself off so I can watch me walk away-LOL!

Aja

User: jonny | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: I can't get over how much like Fagen the front man in Steeve's cover band sounds. It's amazing. Why don't you guys come out East and play some gigs?

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Angel....can I call April Fool's Day as my guess for the release date? (only a fool would say that) : )

lp....John Mayer sounds *great* on the new/old system in the basement! He still gets my nod for album of the year in '02.

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Foghorn: Why did I know that comment was coming.... LOL

User: Foghorn Leghorn | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: I say, son, you betta watch yur, I say, yur step, there, boy....there is only one, I say one Sybil on this Board, and that, listen to me boy when I'm a-talkin to ya, and that, son is ME!.........

User: Paige | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: I've been reading with interest and curiosity, the recent posts here. It's been a while. The old axiom seems to hold true once again: "The more that things change, the more they remain the same."

It also been true for me that the opposite of love is not "hate"...it is "apathy." I would much rather someone tell me that they hate me then tell me that they don't care. It takes some sort of personal effort to "hate" someone...as evidenced here.

I'm not sure if I should set out a saucer of milk or take another sabbatical.

-Paige

User: Dr. Know | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: and we can't forget her user of the phrase "my alternates" - can someone say, "Sybil"?

User: Dr. Know | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Facts are facts, and what we can honestly say about this most recent situation here regarding Molly, her 'faithful' anons, and other posters can be summarized in the following manner, although this is not the only answer or analytical perspective.

We have someone who has either too much time on their hands, or someone who has enough support mechanisms - financial and otherwise - which allows her to post lengthy posts several times a day, meet up with others in chat rooms, and talk/post about whatever comes to mind. My analysis of yesterday still holds true: I believe we're dealing with one who engages in Narcissitic Collectivation.

So Molly - assuming her handle is gender correct - either has - as Aja pointed out so emphatically today, a) written adoring love notes to herself under different handles, or b) had gentlemen visit her home and write adoring love notes to her, thus justifying the same IP address and Tag.

Molly's interaction with others has been flirtatious to some, annoying to others, and mundane to the rest. But lest we forget that every response she garners from anyone, in any fashion, is a recognition; someone who has stirred the psychological pot of someone else; and any response is a verification of existence for the stirrer: I exist!

The severity of any one individual's condition is always a matter of degrees and depth. If Molly has a varied group of men who feel compelled to visit her and type adoring messages to her, in her virtual or real presence, then not only should we question how she obtains these visits, but whom she is obtaining, and how? If, on the other hand, she is merely writing under different aliases, and in doing so, massaging her own ego, then I think we have a different degree and depth of psychosis and perhaps some personality split; the latter explaining the various 'arguments' she's had within herself that she has published for our perusal.

I'm not here to pass judgment, but rather just look at what we do know based on the interactions and statements made and published. What I can say is merely repeat my post of yesterday regarding Narcissistic Collectivization, to which Molly seems to be engaged in some fashion of degrees.

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Bill: Depends on which machine I'm posting from. I usually post from work where I use Windows 2000. XP sucks and I wouldn't install it in the enterprise if I had a gun to my head. BIG step backward for Microsoft.

Jason: Molly flogging is phenomenon not unique to this Guestbook. Not sure what motivates people to anonymously lash out at others, but it happens all over the Internet. Anyone who exhibits a strong personality is subject to this type of behavior. Sometimes it's deserved, but usually it isn't. Molly is the current target du jour. A few months ago it was someone else. A few months from now it'll probably someone else.

My approach is similar to the way I listen to radio. If I hear a song I don't like, I tune it out. When, say, a Steely Dan song comes on -- I pay attention. It's the only way to survive the long run.

StAl

User: Molly .............again | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Bill, you won't mind sharing me with a certain man with a napalm heart and beautiful blue eyes will you? I love ya Wild Bill, but my alternates are crazy about him! Oops .......Did I say crazy? lol lol *wink*
BB, thanks for nice note. I agree with your assessment. I see your stuff on the Blue Book. I'll have to get that new CD by Judy . I'll keep our mutual friend in my prayers. That's a hard thing to endure. Hope you're feeling better.
Duncan, thanks mate! People can believe what they like. Tell your family hello for me.
Bluz, Thanks...Talk soon?
Jaz, That was a very interesting story. Thanks for sharing.
Off now to my Furnace..

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Mu: My new predictions (a monthly feature of this GB, until a real release date is set). :-)

03/03/03 (half a devil)
03/30/03

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Yay! Does that mean you still love me then Bill? Perhaps you'll see that we make a great pair since we're both loony. *wink*
Clas, will you play at our wedding? You can bring Meg if you like.

My baby is a basket case.
A bi-polar moma in leather and lace.
Face like an angel....she's a perfect waste
My baby is a basket case

Dracula's daughter, Calamity Jane
Smoke on the water, water on the brain
She's pretty as a picture....and totally crazed
My baby is a basket case.

She's gonna make a madman out of me.....

oh sorry.......hehehe

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: whateveeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

the livingroom in the house we rent is pine walls and ceiling with an oak floor - it's a little much to the eye visually but the acoustics on my little Bose shelf speakers are awesome, i am gaining a new appreciation for our cd collection - i listened to joe jackson's "look sharp" on the stereo this morning and never noticed how tinny it sounded - 1979 release date, wow

the steely dan re-masters are amazing!!!!!

and, so get off aja's case, i have cyber-known her since coming here a couple of years or so ago and she makes a good friend -

clear and cold on the harbor - this is the last week of the cruise ship visits - things laready shutting down for the season - prepare ye the way...

User: PS II | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: okay, and this is the link to the BBC documentary i watched in awe .....

User: PS | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: not the best i found on the subject of Hikikomori, nevertheless ..... see URL above

a Steely Dan lyrics etc topic kind of, right?

User: Gina | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: well ... looks like familiar old times in here :-)
heard Cuz Dupree on belgium radio yesterday so this Steely Encounter made me check in here although i rarely find the time to dive into cyberratics as i used to. not that realtime life is less flaky.

watched a documentary on BBC, about more than one million young people, kids and teens and adolescents in Japan living as hermits. they call it a disease and have a name for it. HIKIKOMORI.
if you bare in mind many of these mainly male young ones have to take exams at the age of only 12 ALL DAY AND NIGHT LONG, after failing an exam back to study or sleep with a bunch of other kids in one room and then get up early to go and scribble those beautiful japanese marks until they pass the exams .... i would too stay in my room for 2 or 3 or maybe even more years. like these japanese do.

but it's odd. really odd.

Banyan Tree No More Mori Bow,
G.

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Pat,
Uh... I'm using Windows XP 5.1 and you are using Windows XP 5.0,
I believe we know who the true power user is no? Hehehe...

Clas,
I too had problems with self doubt until I realized that I was God.
Since then things have pretty much come together on thier own.

Damn... I missed the Steely Dan reference on Saturday Night Live too.
Hey God can't be everywhere you know. I mean God can't know every
last detail about every last thing or whatever can I?

Molly,
It's ok to talk to yourself around here. People here at the
institution do it all the time and nobody says a word about it.
Why just last week I was put in a padded room for tying myself
up and lecturing myself about the pro's and con's of 2VN.
It's ok though...I won the argument.

WJAZ,
I've decided to take the mohogany casket with a Kenwood stereo
system. Also could we swap the V6 for a turbocharged V8?
Oh, and we it be asking too much for you to rustle me up a fez?
Otherwise I aint never gonna do it without the fez on, ok?

Zan,
You aint mad at me are you? C'mon Zan don't be like everybody else ok?
:)

Aja,
*wink*

User: BBCerian | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: A shooting has been reported in the American state of Maryland.
A man is thought to have been hit in the chest in the early hours of Tuesday morning at a bus stop in Montgomery County, on the outskirts of the US capital Washington.

The shooting occurred on a busy road, which has now been cordoned off by police.

Several shootings in the area have been attributed to a sniper operating in the Washington area.

User: grrl | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: wow, ¦, that was cool.
a cursory glance thru my jane post (and this is the last i'll say 'bout it ... we all pretty much get whatever our it is) didn't reveal any Norah comparison.

However, sometimes when I'm posting, it's a stream and just gets typed and posted. Sometimes I'll think it along and actually give it some sitting time and delete most (ahem) of it.

far as Norah - Jane, I had made some comparisons, but the post was starting to look like one of yours - minus the geeky intellect that can be so vexingly given up to scrolldom, of course - so I left em out, but you took my deleted words and put em back in. so, now I blatantly fit the NC thingy. right on. hamma heeme. you're a GEEENyus.

Jimbo, about Joel the sax guy - i just got kind of bored with his way - he was just so Front. just a little unbalanced - i guess i look and listen for a one-voice ease that missed more than it hit. my bad.
it was a great show. and i think their first show was nothing less than awesome for all. you know, like comin on after the opening band that just ROCKED, but they were the opening band.

ok, beat that subject into the ground now. done.

ooo... except for the thread.

Has anyone here listened to Dave Douglas?? Sure you have. I think I asked this a couple years back ... Chris Potter plays with him, too.

and I just gotta give due diggin to Jeff Coffin. He's humble. and just rocks the winds.

nuff. i'm outta here.

for now.

User: ming ryan | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: mwaHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: Ooops, shit, guess what? Meg Ryan has actually been down at my office, using my internet-computer!

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 22

Message: StAl- Any information about the next stops for Alton Brown, preferably in Pittsburgh? GO STEELERS!

I enjoy Good Eats. My favorite episode was the one in which Alton introduces a vampire named Vlad to garlic. God, that was hilarious.

Anyway, let me know if you have any info on future book signings.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Oh you got me now Aja and XXXX! It's been a big eloborate scheme to get Ol Wild Bill to become insanely jealous and marry me........shoot found me out. Damn I almost had him too. Bill had already told me He'd have a child with me. That's why I wanted him to treat Clas nicer. Since Clas may be my long lost half-brother. It would make things awkward at our wedding.(I'd have to invite Clas and his family if we're related) ROFLMAO..........
I have tried to treat most people here with kindness. I've never done anything to you Aja. In fact, I have gone out of my way to be friendly to you and the other women here. I try to be positive in my posts. Although I have my bad moments like most others here. I like most of the people I've become aquainted with. I wasn't being sarcastic. Most people here are nice. The endearments and affections are meant as a laugh. This is the first place I ever landed. I may have behaved a bit inappropriately in some people's opinion. But i'm not crazy or stupid. Do you really think I wouldn'know how to post anonymously? What I find really interesting is that you were motivated to check my posts and those of my friends.(All of whom have used their real names) Yet you've never offered to answer any of the questions I've posted. I know they weren't deep questions that one would have to ponder at any great length. But everyone loves music, I thought it'd be nice to talk about music again. It certainly would have required less effort on your part. But perhaps it wouldn't be as much fun as trying to discredit me or hurt my feelings. I also find it strange that you will talk with my boyfriend on the board...given your feelings. I don't know if Stan or Jon posted using my computer? I've never checked. But if it's from my computer then they must have done so. They have left jokes for me to find when I logged on est... So them posting here isn't any less plausible. I'm very busy, and very stressed. Most of the time, I can't even find my car keys, let alone keep track of who writes what from where straight. I've addressed this before. Believe what you like.
Jason, thanks my friend. You're a sweetheart. There used to be an Instructor at University of Kentucky called Sin Tay. He had been a member of the Chinese Red Guard before he and his brother escaped from China. I believe he taught Kung-Fu and some other of forms of martial arts that I can't begin to spell at U.of K. . Sin Tay taught my friend Stan his art form and many other things such as Acupuncture . He would be the person to contact about learning how to use your mind to control pain.I'm not sure he is still teaching? ( it's been at least 10 years since I last spoke with him) However, I'll look into it for you if you'd like.
Floridave, yeah I look like a psychotic killer don't ya think? *wink* It's the baby that makes me so dangerous.

My beloved, I meant what I said. I'd sell most of my belongings and my blood to make it happen. It breaks my heart things are the way that they are. Been listening to Any World That I'm Welcome To.... and thinking of you. I miss you so much. Talk soon?!!! *kisses~~~~~~~~~~*

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Aja: Be careful on that account. MSIE 5.5; Windows 98 is a very common platform. In fact, I've noticed Bill and I often share the same computer configuration (MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1). Not to say you're wrong, but not to say you're right... Tis a sticky wicket.

StAl

User: grrl ... | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: God, I love this gb.

habit's askew,

gf

User: Floridavid | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Steely Dan Pumpkins? I got in from my Gig Saturday and all I caught was the "Musical" guests White Stripe. One of the new , hip, Guitar/Drum duo's that were featured in last month's Modern Drummer Magazine. Damn I missed the good part.

Aja- You're scarin' the kids with that info...it's like one those Psycho/killer/don't look in the basement movies.

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: The only thing worth responding to is this: "Especially since everyone is so nice..." Yes, everyone here that I've had the pleasure to meet has been fantastic....a really great, accomplished bunch of people. Maybe the question you should ask yourself is what have I done to generate such a negative response, given the general caliber of this group?

Dr. Know-wow, you really hit the nail on the head.

Aja

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Yep, my computer is public domain. My kids are free to use it, and anyone else that wants to. A certain person actually used my shower and various other things while there. His lines are very bad, but Stan is the most gorgeous man I've ever seen. That makes up for quite alot. You will also note that both of them stated their names on most of their posts.... As have my other friends. Again I'm not sure why you care? But, thanks again for your concern.

User: xxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Molly, why did you make all those posts?

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: BTW they didn't state they were with me to keep a certain psychopath from harassing the crap out of me even more...... I know enquiring minds will want to know.

User: xxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Are you trying to say that these "men" were at YOUR HOUSE on YOUR COMPUTER when they supposedly posted all that crap??
Oh please......can't you do any better than that?

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Yes Aja, they were at my house. Awful that I'd have men visiting me isn't it? A certain guy actually spent a couple of weeks ... We're friends, friends do that....hahaha. Very terrible that they'd feel the need to flirt or defend me on here. Especially since everyone is so nice... Please feel free to check out Deck's, the Viking's,Drew's and whoever.... *kisses*

User: xxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Aja, that was very a very interesting post and confirmed what I had thought all along.
Molly, I have always been curious....just WHY did you post all that crap?
Well, in any case, Dr. Know knows.....maybe he can tell us.

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: And who could forget this retcher, again from the same computer:

Devious Turnip [Homepage] [Email] [] [M]
\
523
\/ Mistress Molly- I'll belay you anytime darling. All I ask in return is that you let me kiss that tiny mole above your Mickey Mouse tatoo. See ya soon D

August 21, 2002 09:22
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Re all the anti-Molly posts-- many things baffle me... first, i have yet to see any posts from her that could trigger such a backlash. She just says a few words about SD or life, whatever, and leaves. (Sorry to be talking about you in the third person, Molly.)

All these negative posts just confirm further something that I've long suspected... that the main function of psychology in this society is as something to use on others, to feel superior to others, and to shore up one's own ego.

How 'sad' is it to be so desperate to point out how 'sad' another person is, to the point where you're doing post after post about it? Why is this so important, I wonder? The tone of each person's posts determines whom I'm taking more seriously... Molly sounds friendly and good-natured, and the critic or critics don't. That's all I'm interested in.

Molly-- thanks for e-card. Please allow me to point out one thing... it's important to me... over the years, i've had to fight to get doctors, family, and others to see that i had a medical emergency happening. I kept encountering obliviousness, a sort of refusal to be conscious of what i was trying to say about the condition. So, when you say, "I hope all is well", when things are this bad, it's a bit maddening. Thanks, you mean well, but it's difficult to hear something like that. I'm not out for 'sympathy'-- just awareness from people.

Haven't been exposed to the book and ideas you mentioned. Have to quit now....

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: The archives are an interesting trip now that each one identifies the computer's each post came from, especially in light of the fact that the sender (at the time) thought they were posting anonymously. This confirms the hunch I had:

My Titian-haired Sorceress [Homepage] [Email] [] [M]
/\
839
\/ I used to piss you off just so I could watch you walk away. The You're knockout gorgeous, and way out of this guy's league. Keep your chin up babe. I'll see you soon.

September 3, 2002 03:17
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)

Molly [Homepage] [Email] [] [M]
/\
823
\/ Re: post 773 I suppose it would be a matter of perception. I was 12 when he fixated on me. I remember being much more interested in softball and gymnastics then boys. Sexual Predators usually have certain triggers.It can be a look, something as trivial as seeing a woman's pantie lines through her clothes. It tends to vary with each individual. I'm not sure what their's were? Moreover, I really don't want to know.
You obviously are sexually frustrated, so here an example of a personals ad for you to help you get a woman:
Wanted female..ect... MUST BE SELF-LUBRICATING, WITH AN EXTREMELY SHORT ATTENTION SPAN.

September 2, 2002 10:00
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)

All of the posts to Molly like the one above are from Molly's own computer. That's sad, really, really sad. Matching the computer origins with the all the anon posts (yes, it was a slow day at work) made my jaw drop when I was able to identify the GB'er, and see a side of them they didn't reveal under their usual handle. Dr. Know, I had no idea you knew so much about psychology. You must be having a field day with this.

Blown away. What a Pandora's box.

Aja

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Hmn, XXXX! then why is your IP listed on most of this bile? Sugarbaby... Ya know it sounds like you really need to get laid.... If you had a better sex life, you'd be less concerned with mine.

Hey Duncan, I accidently deleted your addy... Please send it to me again. Kisses to the wee man, and a big "hello" to Mrs.Duncan!

User: xxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: hey Molly, you know I am not Weber, and I really don't need any "affection" from anyone here. I get all the attention
I want or need and I don't have to verbally slobber all over all the men that post here.
The fact that I find you annoying has nothing to do with being "nasty". I suppose I could post my 50 favorite love songs as you
have, but who cares?

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: so Gina, what's up with the ODP? Do you know if that shot was taken in the Netherlands?

looks like I missed all the Dannish references on television....SNL & Boomtown.

tomorrow is the last day off of work from my 13 day vacation....don't even want to think about going back to work....way too much fun to be had yet!

Photo of the day taken from the parking lot of Wal-Mart, here in DAN-ville, VA:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Wal-Mart-Sky.jpg

or click on "Homepage" at the top of this post.

time to start wiring up the surround system in the basement for the home theater system....maybe a little Two Against Nature to christen the system after a few bong hits?

later folks,
MC

User: Molly ...........oops !!! | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: I didn't list Steely's "love" songs because they are in a class by themselves... I love all of the Dan's songs. I love that "The Look of Love" by Sergio Mendez is part of the melody line in "Rikki Don't Lose..." It's intertwined with another one. I always believed they were conveying musically that they both loved her. I love the way Steely's songs are a mixture of cynicism and romanticism.

LP, *winks* I think you're onto something.
Aussie, I'll be in touch concerning T-shirts.
XXXXX, aka Weber and most of the nastiness on this board. *KISSES AND HUGS* lol lol lol
Let's all send this person affection, they really need it!

User: TV Monitor | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Since nobody else has mentioned it, I guess I will.

On last nights episode of Boomtown (CBS New Show)a character got out of prison 25 years after being wrongly convicted in 1976. The police were giving him a ride home and asked if wanted some music. He said sure and on came Reelin'. The guy smiled and sang a few words and said he always loved Steely Dan. One of the cops said his Dad always played Steely Dan so much that he hated it.
Later in the show, in a flashback sequence to 1976, the same cops father came home from a bad day at work (partner killed allegedly by the guy getting the ride home) popped a brew and put on a record, yep, Can't Buy a Thrill. Tracked thru the first minute or so of Only a Fool. I guess it was a Steely Dan weekend on CBS and NBC. Where's the new record dammit!

User: angel | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Steely Dan O Lanterns, what a hoot!
Do you think the faithful webdrone might be able to get an image on the Website for Halloween, hint hint.... :-)

Speaking of the Website, I really love that 2 Amidst Nature picture. Just too funny.

St. Al: My little one LOVES Alton Brown. I was sorry that you missed Portland, but happy you got to go to the book signing. How is he in person? Inquiring young minds want to know....

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: shoot - i don't have television anymore - can someone clue me in on the snl skit a little more?

ward - please pay the cable bill, love...

User: Molly Hater | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Molly..Who gives a flying fuck what you like or don't like. kiss kiss hug hug....man you're getting real old!

User: xxxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: First it's "hey let's talk about music.....briefly, that is"

Then it's back to ..kiss kiss, hug hug,
teddybearman
viking warrior
dragon man
me
me
me
it's all about me.

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: I know someone posted earlier on this, but, how cool was it that Steely Dan figured prominently in a skit this past Saturday on Saturday Night Live? The Steely-Dan-O'Lanterns carved in the images of Messrs. Donald Fagen and Walter Becker were BEYOND cool....

Could this be a prelude to their imminent new effort?

Chanses are goode.

Aus

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: I agree Jimbo! Let's say we talk about your 3 favorite artists -- Eminem, Britany Spears and NSync..:)

So I'm sitting there chatting with Alton Brown yesterday, trying to think of a way to tie Steely Dan into the conversation, and I came up empty. You know how those book signings go -- only time for a quick couple of questions. It wasn't until I sat at home last night, reading his book, where I came across his reference to Steely Dan! Apparently he credits them for inspiration -- especially with big words. DAMN! I wish I had seen that earlier...

Now I'm on a mission. I'm going to figure out a way to get him to elaborate. I want to know!

http://www.altonbrown.com

Paul: I think that would be that hardest thing about living down under -- missing certain shows like Peter Gabriel, or, Steely Dan...

User: Dr. Know | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: I think she borders - and roams - on/in Narcissistic Collectivization: the need for the individual to assemble and gather like-minded opinions and multi-form admiration from a variety of sources. NCs function from a place of being where their opinion is the only one that matters to themselves, and then seek others who might agree. When others don't, they are dismissed. While this sort of individual seeks out praise and kindness from anyone and everyone, each personality which shows any lack of sympathy/empathy/forthright kindness towards the NC individual, is thoroughly dismissed and rendered meaningless.
Popular examples: Courtney Love, Geraldo Rivera, Joan Rivers. Less popular examples: Clas of the Steely Dan Guestbook.

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Molly- I agree. I think we need a break from the constant debates which threaten to pull away from the dicussion of music. It's like VH1, supposed to be about music, but now it's descended to nothing but reality TV shit and showing movies like Bull Durham which have little or none to do with music.

LISTEN TO MOLLY- LET'S CHILL!

User: lurking psychotherapist | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: today's gb theme: name that personality disorder.

molly-infantile selfishness (i want what i want and fuck everyone else) combined with poor impulse control and a desperate need for external validation. if she'd get out of her own way, she'd probably be wildly popular.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Hey everyone! As much as I love reading your insults to each other... How about if we talk about music again for a bit? Lets do songs about love with a twist... Love and loss, Love V lust..... whatever! Some of my all time favorite songs about the loss of love are:
Tip of my Tongue by John Hiatt
Wicked Game by Chris Isaak
Who Loves You Better by Lyle Lovett
It Ought To Be Easier by Lyle Lovett
She's Already Made Up Her Mind by Lyle Lovett (Ol Lyle's a cheerful fella *wink*)
Runaway by Del Shannon
I Can't Make You Love Me by Nancy Wilson or Bonnie Raitt
Pilgrim For Your Love by Eric Clapton
The Heartache by Warren Zevon
Reconsider Me by Warren Zevon
I know there's a bunch more I'm forgetting....

Wild Bill, stop being so nasty to Clas. He might be my half-brother. :)
My Viking Warrior, It's okay... I have decided to retract my request that you and everyone else not post me here. It makes me smile to see a note that someone leaves me. Perhaps it is this desperate need for attention that whoever keeps writing about. But, I feel that it's a reminder to me that there are good people in the World. It grounds me whenever I'm dealing with some rather nasty situation and/or people. When I see your note, I can almost hear you whispering in my ear, "I got your back babes".Both, You and Deck lend me a great deal of strength.Talk soon! *kisses*

My Dragon-man, I am doing ok... It was great hearing from you.
LcPaul, feel better soon! I'm listening to Warren Zevon and Steely's Pretzel Logic alot today.
Jason, Hi ya..... I learned from my own experiences that pain can be controlled to a degree mentally. In fact, it can become it's own narcotic. A friend of mine who is a martial artist taught me some exercises that can enable one to take control of pain. Have you ever read The Bushido? It deals with this matter to a degree. As does the book "Healing and The Mind" by Bill Moyers. I hope you're well.
BB, my big sweet teddybearman! where are ya? You've left us for Judy's web site haven't you.
Den, check in sweetness. ..Auntie Moll worries.
Drew, I WILL NOT PARTNER WITH HIM. I don't trust him. His behavior is incongruent with who he claims to be. I'll climb with Terry and Jon. See ya there.
Off to fight the good fight
Be peaceful and loving, at least to yourself! M

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: hi molly - thanks - but is curiosity killin this cat or am i cyber-paranoid?

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Paul - what? What happened? The heart?

jason - yes of course, Bin Ladin. But I think you know what I mean.

Private Bill - you crawl like a Sniper, or at least you think you do. Ten minutes after "Note to Sniper" you post under your real(?) name.

And "hatred"? Disappointment/disillusionment maybe, but not hatred.

User: time for regime change... in the US? | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: my problem is Bush' arrogance and aggressiveness, intolerance, ignorance and hole in the wall thinking!

User: Wonderwhip | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: my problem is Clas' arrogance and aggressiveness, intolerance, ignorance and hole in the wall thinking!

User: Petre Parkre | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Man in custody.....ATF/SWAT team surround a telephone booth.....white van stopped.....no confirmation yet the man in custody is sniper......breaking news......

PP

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: I see that Clas is still on his anti-U.S. diatribe (we deserved
9/11 y'know...) and y'all are still trying to convince this
mental case that it's not the world that's fucked up but Clas
himself. One can leave this place for months and still find the
same conversation when you get back, it's amazing really...

Clas,
The REALLY SCAREY PART is that some woman allowed you to replicate
yourself. This might be alot to ask but try not to fuck the kid up
with all your hatred ok? Why condemn him/her to a life of being
Clas or having no class or whatever?

Use a condom next time dummy.

User: Note to Sniper | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: Clas lives in Sweden, did you know that?
Help us out willya!

User: jason must be destroyed | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: icpaul-- welcome back. I was in the ER for my first heart symptoms recently... they gave me morphine and two other big analgesics, and surprise! no effect whatsoever. Eventually, they gave up, and sent me home. I'd fantasized about morphine for years, in vain, apparently. Anyway, feel lucky such things work on you, if you can.

"Up"--- not the lackluster REM album apparently.

C--- bin Laden isn't a fake enemy, but you're right to a great extent about the US of A's arrogance.

User: lcpaul - just | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: You could've knocked me down with a feather - just spent a whole week in hospital! A wake-up call of note. Certainly no picnic. Nursing staff and hospital food suck big time. But Pethadine and Morphine help. Anyway, that explains my absence, if anyone's interested.

So, upon departure from said institution, treated myself to the following new CDs:

Up - PG
Love and Theft - BD
The new Morcheeba
Busted - Dave Mathews

Could not stop listening to 'Up'. And don't think I will for a while to come. St Al, hope the concert's as good as the album. Looking forward to some colour come December 18.

Molly - check your inbox in the near future.

Love and good health to you all.

From Lower Case Paul (trying to change his lifestyle in order to avoid more near-death experiences - no kidding).

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 21

Message: ¦ - well, 100 years, 600 years. That doesn't matter. My problem isn't Bin Ladin or any other invented evil enemy your criminal government is yelling about, my problem is USA's arrogance and aggressiveness, intolerance and ignorance.

What is see on TV and read in papers, here in Europe, are that people are worried about USA's self-sufficiency, arrogance and upblown ego.

---

Stevee - thanx, yes, that's a real baby. Sat up almost the whole night playing.

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Blame my memory impairment for the annoying multiple posts.

Another idea that gets repeated so much that it becomes "true"... the idea that the Soviet Union collapsed because Communism was just so flawed and unworkable. I don't want to "defend" their system, but... I guess fatally flawed and unworkable systems only last 75 years or so. That's quite a while. The fact is that despite all the crap it puts their people through, Communism (or the warped version we got in reality, as opposed to what Marx wanted) turns out to be good at getting a lot of people fed in an emergency. The Soviet system limped along fairly well economically, until it was thrown out cold-turkey, and replaced with 'shock-treatment' capitalism. THAT'S when the bottom fell out of the economy. Poverty and disease are rampant there now... Russia's the only place in the world, I think, where the population's actually declining. No, that's way too detached a way to put it... a lot of people die there.

User: jason, no i didn't forget to fill in all required fields | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: PS--- MU----"The Prisoner" is fucking brilliant, and might actually get more relevant with time. Best series ever made, I think.

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: MU---- thanks for site. As for the following, nothing personal of course----

It's typical of the macho posturing of this country that there's so much back-pedaling on the Cold War, declaring ourselves and Reagan to be the glorious victors, when Gorbachev kept introducing one freedom after another, and one compromise with the West after another. Reagan's arms build-up (actually begun under Carter because of Afghanistan, for what it's worth) helped some, but Gorbachev believed in what he was doing. I actually like the fact that we 'won' because the other side decided to give up. (How people like Gorbachev hold onto power, though, and get their policies through, despite all that opposition, is baffling to me.)

On empires falling: Orwell in 1984 talked about there being certain circumstances that could be set up by a state that would create perpetual power that could never be overthrown. I guess that can only happen in a closed system, though, as in 1984 where all 3 world-states cooperated in maintaining it. Some sort of world capitalist system seems to be growing, that there's no longer any alternative to, and while this is nothing like the 1984 totalitarian state, it really bothers me that such a unified system is being set up. (Including NAFTA, etc..) What bothers me a lot more is that this non-stop barrage on our senses from the... pop culture media machine?? i don't know what to call it. Anyway, after a couple generations, it may turn out that no one can remember what it's like to not be a passive, mindless consumer creature, a sort of living pop-culture component. That's how sophisticated advertising and entertainment have become.

So, at that point, we just might wind up with a system that can't be undone, because we can no longer conceptualize what's wrong with it. Our attitudes would be too molded by it, by then. I'd almost rather have outright, clear-cut tyranny, because it's cruder and easier to form objections to, and easier to fight. A police state you maybe can fight, vs. an empty zombie culture where you live less and less, and never get around to questioning it?

Most of the holes you might see in what i'm saying are due to my need to shut up and stop posting now, because of the eye thing. I'm not explaining or defending myself as much as i need to.

I've proven one thing: I can be as pretentious as the rest of you put together!

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Clas û Congratulations on your new baby. I hope that you enjoy it for many years to come.

Zan û Oh well, I thank you for trying for me in any case.

And now ... it's time for ...

S H A M E L E S S ... P L U G G I N G !!!

Hi everybody ... Pretzel Logic plays live in West Los Angeles this coming Thursday night, October 24th, at 8:30 PM at Johnny Foxx's (3387 Motor Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90034, between National Blvd to the North, and Palms Blvd to the South). Plan to arrive early as the club will fill up early and be forced to turn people away. This cozy little neighborhood watering hole has been undergoing a renovation. Print out a copy of this post and receive $2 off admission.

Please visit our website if you would like to get more information on our band and also get a little "free sample" of the band:
www.pretzellogicband.com
... We love to tour the Southland ...

Steveedan (F, BL, MD, & Keys for Pretzel Logic)

User: ¦ - like a Roc | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Dateline: Baghdad, Iraq 2:00 GMT, 21-10-02

Saddam today declared Baghdad a colony of Mizar-5 and released "100%" of Iraq's prisoners...except for the political ones of course...

In a swift and surprising response, Bush43 airlifted all Texas felons, OJ Simpson, and The Entertainer Formerly Known as Sinbad over Iraq...just some other scurvy brothers...

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: hey aja - 64% un-intelligent for me - they said i'm normal - ah well!

busy weekend in here

back to the woods!

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: C: later. You wouldn't be around to worry about it...Fear is a powerful human emotion...ever see the 60s show - The Prisoner? Many dynasties last hundreds of years. With technology and no opposition, thousands of years were possible for repressive regimes with poor quality of life. Without the US strategy of the 80s, it is likely the Soviets could not have gone on for hundreds of years more. Most liberals in 1980 (including myself - I used to be one) believed that the stalemate was everlasting, so appeasement, rather than the right kind of pressurre taking advantage of internal pressures was used - that was wrong. China still sustains herself today and - we had a chance push the regime over under Bush 41 with the right pressure rather than appeasement...that certainly was a mistake...

Examples of dynasties lasting hundreds of years:

Ming
Ottoman Empire - 600 years
even the Romans dominated the Western World for 400 years

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: I'm as light as a feather. I'll laugh at almost anything. My sense of humor is twisted......but sniper jokes just aren't funny. He/she shot another person last night, not even remotely funny.

User: Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Hey babes-sorry I aint been postin on here so much - but I will again.

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Missed.BTW-hehehehehe@sniper-funnyfunny

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: ¦ - every Empire will collapse. Sooner or later.

And if Germany won the second world war, why do you think that they STILL would be in charge?

And let me ad something more: I am not afraid of "terrorists", I am afraid of the kinds like you and Private Bill.

USA's about to fuck up the world, and you are buying your Presidents lies.

It's sickening.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: StAL: I and history disagree. The Soviet block and empire would still be there...Proof: China is going nowhere because of pur appeassement policies that started with Bush 41 (who ignored Tienemann Square) and continued through Clinton (who traded missle guidance system knowhow for campaign funds) through Bush 43.

The initial keys to the collapse of the Soviet Union were (a) Reagan and Pope John Paul II supporting Lech Walesa leading towards freedom for Poland. Reagan stood firm and upped the ante. The Soviet system had very little room to build capital and keep their economy going especially being bogged down in Afghanistan. Gorby had absolutely no intention of giving up power. He in the end had no choice. We counted on the fact that (a) Gorby and the Russian people would be able to resist a coup from the Soviet Generals, (b) we had a number of ways to leverage the Soviets (b) Gorby was not a madman like Hussain...these are calculations based on common sense, knowing people, and screwing political rhetoric...

...after exhausting the Kemp playbook, Reagan had no more good ideas (as did Bush 41) regarding the economy after 1985, but enemployment was down and GNP up...one exception - he did pour money into the bank behind the scenes with the 1987 stock market correction preventing a Depression...
Bush43 should take note - while many signs re' the economy are OK, there's too much lost capital and something has to be done beyond the low prime rate and putting crooked CEOs and CFOs in jail...those are booth good, but more needs to be done...tax cut now supported by Gephardt is a start, a moratorium on capital gains tax would help as well...

Speaking of history - Congress committee in 1999!!!! warns Cllinton Administration and House of Representatitves of foolhardy pact with North Korea forged by Carter in 1994.

http://www.house.gov/international_relations/nkag/report.htm

The reactor infrastructure we gave them can supply the means for 100 nukes/year as an upper limit...nice going...

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Oh yeah, I forgot... Two of my favorite words...

http://www.boldra.com/images/incoming/y2001_1sthalf/?f=fword.wav

http://home.pacbell.net/diana_do/knowjack.htm

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Mu: I think you give the US too much credit for "dismantling the Soviet Union." The real failure was communism itself. US policies -- specifically the Reagan administration's -- only helped expedite this process. It'll happen in China too. And besides diplomatic pressure on human rights violations we actually help facilitate their government.

But you're right. If it wasn't for US involvement in WWI and II, Europe would look a lot different right now...

Sometimes I hate being a systems administrator. This weekend I had planned on attending the Tacoma and Portland String Cheese Incident shows. Made it to the Tacoma show, but got a call on Saturday morning informing me that we had a major problem with out mainframe at work. I sent my buddy (and my ticket) on their way without me...Damn. The only upside is today I'm able to attend a book signing by geek-chef -- Alton Brown. Gotta figure out a good Steely question. I think I remember someone posting something in this forum about a comment he made about the band?

StAl

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: jason:

http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm

User: :) | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Lighten up Zan, Snoopy could be next...

User: hangman | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: I got to watch a Jane M. show at a club I work at two weeks ago. She was solid, good B+ stuff, a gorgeous woman who had the yuppies in the palm of her hand.

Joel Frahn was a nice guy, I thought his licks were ok. I talked to him after the show about Chris Potter, who played a series of shows in my town that week. He told me that Chris was an ex-roommate of his, and that he was easily 'the best living tenor player out there.' Nice praise.

Either way, I'd tap that shit. Two times.

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: Doesn't it just make you smile and twitch to know there's new Steely Dan music on the way?

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 20

Message: grrl- Just read your review of the Jane Monheit concert. I was sitting five rows away(had to steal a seat from nearby the stage since the Rosebud Cafe was packed.). Maybe I saw a different concert two weeks ago because her sax player, Joel seemed very animated, but not intent on hogging up the spotlight. Aside from the fact that he played very well,
he really proved to be a trouper. Jane was teasing him to sing a backup scat on "Warm December." He was shy about it, but his advantage was that the was no microphone in front of him. But then one of the guys from the cafe put a mike in front of him and that got huge laughs. Jane and the auidence goaded him into singing the backup scats, which he did.

Jane, I thought, sang very well. For a 24 year old (soon to be 25 next month), she sounded like a 35 year old. Plus the fact that each musician got a chance to solo as she was bopping along to the music is a rare thing
in terms of complimenting the musician, regardless of how he or she played. You don't see Madonna, Britney or any of the spotlight hogging acts do that. I think in rock, pop and jazz, musicians still get some degree of respect, which i'm sure you can agree with. She's getting better also with the scats, though a couple of edges need to be taken care of, but she was close to flawless in her scatting as well as her singing.

Nevertheless the concert great, even though she sang only 13 tunes. As I mentioned before, I had the honor of meeting her in person and getting her autograph. My biggest regret, though, was not telling her how much she had to be complimented for listening to Steely Dan.

BTW, I am writing a review of the concert for a Jazz website, It may be up
by the middle of the week. I'll let you know when and the web address.

PEACE!

User: The Charmer | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Saturday Night Live, Anyone? "Steely Dan-o-Lanterns!" "That's a dead-on Donald Fagen." Good stuff.

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: My last post was pointless and incoherent. Just so you know I know. ('We're a knowledgeable family'.)

More intriguing alternate titles from Mu.... it occurs, is there any place to go, book or website, where the meanings of Dan songs, or at least their probable meanings (from intelligent people or very lucky guessers) are discussed? I've gone enough decades not knowing.

User: ¦ not quite | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: 1st album: Meet Danny Wilson - like the Sinatra movie

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: grrrl: It would be interesting to hear Jane Monheit move towards Norah jones and vice versa...You're right, they're both young and 2 of the finest apprenticies on the planet...

There's a Danny Wilson song from the eponymous debut that's a good love song - You Remain an Angel...the lyrics from the 2nd verse aren't quite well thought out, but there are some killer lines in the first verse:

starts off with...

"You belong in Heaven
With all the other angels
Do you believe in angels?
I tell you angels Believe in You."

Last line ropes and ties 'em - We should beta test it - write those lines on a napkin, and determine the success rate out there...

Then there's:

"Just show me a ditch where a palace stood,
And I would still adore you"

I bet that could pass the napkin test as well...

User: Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Hey guys and girls you have to check out a new band called "The Coral". They have a good rock type feel and their album is quite similar to Pretzel Logic...not quite up to the standard of Steely Dan...but lets be honest...who is?

User: Moll | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Zannie, I know love! I was just teasing...The situation with this "sniper" is terrible. Still, ya gotta try to laugh at life. It's one of the few things that seems to keep me from eating that bullet Zan.

User: Dylan Thomas | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: THIS SIDE OF THE TRUTH

This side of the truth,
You may not see, my son
King of your blue eyes
In the blinding country of youth,
That all is undone,
Under the unminding skies,
Of innocence and guilt
Before you move to make
One gesture of the heart or head,
Is Gathered and spilt
Into the winding dark
Like the dust of the dead.

Good and bad, two ways
Of moving about your death
By the grinding sea,
King of your heart in the blind days,
Blow away like breath,
Go crying through you and me
And the souls of all men
Into the innocent
Dark, and the guiltydark, and good
Death, and the bad death,and then
In that last element
Fly like the stars' blood,

Like the sun's tears,
Like the moon's seed, rubish
And fire, the flying rant
Of the sky, king of your six years.
And the wicked wish,
Down the beginning of plants
And animals and birds,
Water and light, the earth and sky,
Is cast before you move,
And all your deeds and words,
Each truth, each lie,
Die in unjudging love.

User: fernando | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Hey... hold on there ¦... we likes ABBA... the second best produced band of the '70's...

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Hey Moll: I meant whoever posted and called themself "the sniper" had bad taste for using that name. Very horrible situation right now.

(i'm sure your viking tastes great!)

User: grrl... | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Jane Monheit IS a bit Frippish at this point along her way.

yeow.
ooo.
wrong.

what i meant to convey was that she+s testing her instrument ... focusing\ on technical proficiency. -Frippish+ does a disservice to Robert, tho. He+s got a whole different thing goin on.

The part of Gina+s post that touched on Jane Monheit - here's some of my experience.

The sax guy, Joel Frahn, is way too cocky. He+s got his licks down pat. but that+s all. He+s just too darn pleased to be up front. I felt like he was the polar opposite of Jane Monheit. Like he maybe worked hard a while back, auditioned for this gig,and is just claiming his due as front guy. too many moments, to me, of -wo, that is very cool, let+s work that in - the audience will love it+. Too showy. wished he'd backed out for a while.

The double bass guy, Joe Martin, is in the toughest position. I+ve got it way goin on for Edgar Meyer. SOMEBODY HERE HAS TO KNOW EDGAR+S ... work. That man strips me full of empty. Honest to God. If you ever have the opportunity to SEE Edgar Meyer, do. In lieu of that, find -Work (s?) in Progress+. His pianist, Amy Dorfman, is the epitome of accompanist (sp?)

and back to the show:
Joe, like Jane, is still in technically proficient mode. Maybe could use some one on one time with the piano guy and with the vocalist. nice bow work, tho. good rapport.

The double bass, to me is almost human in it+s physical presence. Joe, for the most part, was playing IT (and it+s a saucy wench, that double bass ... gotta take its give - good enough isn+t)

The piano dude. Mike Kanan, was probably the most present of all. He arranged much of what they performed, so knew how. nicely understated. could have been mic+d a little ... south?

I+m kind of vexed by the drummer. He used to be better? loved his ability to accompany. nifty surprises here and there.

Surely I+m being too dramatic. I know nothing. nada. zip.

But on the subject of Jane Monheit. She+s young. Might be nice if she could just ripen a bit, get jiggy with it and all . Maybe she needs to give birth, or have an orgasm. Seriously. The girl is absolutely amazing. I was watching her and was just blown away sometimes that she was barely moving her mouth at ALL, and these HUGE sounds were bouncing out of her Her. She+s just finding her way. Oh, dear, it+d be swell if she could have a bunch of fun through the labrynth. That+s It. Just having fun.
They seemed to get a little lighter as the sets unfolded. Austin+s a respectful and appreciative audience. . It is so much fun to see an artist realize how much we love to share in the fun. It+s a happy town.

We were sitting in the fourth row, about as far to the right as you could sit, and there was a monitor almost right above us. It was distracting, now and then, to notice the speaker. Every once in a while, it would +crackle+. So yeah, ¦, it might+ve been a sound guy kind of miss. but it sure sounded to me like they needed a new monitor. like in my car. blown tweeter.

She+s real aware that people are noticing her. She's a pretty girl (hm ... sorrry) who might be kind of intimidated by her appeal. I would love to hear her in 10 or 20 years, or later this afternoon, when she's more at ease and soulful.

So, I completely understand your listen, Gina (ok, scratch the 'completely' ), but I wonder if we were hearing the same band. Individually, they were all just fine. - never got a together vibe from them. good players on the album, tho.

On our way home, Schwinn said that Jane Monheit looked like a girl who COULD have gone bad.

man knows how to turn a phrase, yessirree. just like that.

a few love songs- bringing up the rear --

that one from 'passion' ... peter gabr
willin' .. little feat
i'll be your pain - brett, bryan, mike n brad
beautiful boy john lennon
woman john lennon
lovin you ---- minnie ripperton
almost gothic - steelydan
close to you ... the carpenters
the man with the child in his eyes kate bush
shakin the tree from realworldlive
heartbeat - king crimson's beat
in spite of ourselves - prine and deMent
i've got a crush on you - gershwins
life on mars - caecilie norby's cover -- nice
fields of gold - sting, but eva cassidy's is lovely

's all good,
grrlfrd

User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: My Viking, I always miss you baby. Sending you spells of love and comfort today. *kisses~~~~~~~~~~* Talk soon?!!!!!!
Zan, trust me, the Viking tastes yummy! lol lol lol
Clas, well Sugarman.....You never know? My Dad was supposed to be rather hot blooded back in his younger days...*wink*

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Gaucho - alternative titles:

Bon Voyeur
A Pirate Looks at 40D cup
Colombian Marching Powder Art Crimes
Zorro the Gay Blade
Walter's Bain
Enfant Terrible Means Rose Darling Tonight
Were You Blinded by the Fireworks That Day?

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: 

RE: 2384 VERY BAD TASTE

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: C: Our country saved your sorry asses in WW I and WW II, saved what was left of South Korea, caused the dismantling the Soviet Union, tore down the Iron Curtain, and liberated Afghanistan & Kosovo...

In the 20th Century your country did nothing against the Kaiser or Hitler, sterilized women who were non-Aryan or gave birth to non-Aryan children, "euthanized" children with birth defects, harbors terrorists today, and the coup de gras gave us ABBA. I think you've done quite enough...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: C: Our country saved your sorry asses in WW I and WW II, saved what was left of South Korea, caused the dismantled the Soviet Union, tore down the Cron Curtain, and liberated Afghanistan & Kosovo...

In the 20th Century your country did nothing against the Kaiser or Hitler, sterilized women who were non-Aryan or gave birth to non-Aryan children, "euthanized" children with birth defects, harbors terrorists today, and the coup de gras gave us ABBA. I think you've done quite enough...

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Molly - my mom in Louisana? Darling dear, my mom doesn't know what Louisiana is. But, of course, that doesn't mean she hasn't been there... are you saying we are relatives?

¦ - Please, cut it now. Your country, the Brightest Shining Beacon, failed to kill Castro, you lost the Vietnam war, you failed to kill Kahdaffi, etc etc... Mulla Oman... and Bin Ladin... it's a long list.

Fiasco after fiasco. But it's not surprising when you have soldiers like Private "IQ" Bill in the Army.

Best thing would be if you gave up seeking to dominate the world.

YGK - I prefer the Wurlitzer sound on the Roland RD 700. And the inbuilt drum-grooves are pretty cool. More inspiring than a metronome.

User: What? | Month: 9 | Day: 19

Message: Steely Dan?

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Re: 2384....Bad Taste.

User: The Sniper | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Yes Viking...
Now stand still dammit!

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Y'all been missin me I can see

User: molly | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Clas, Yes Dean is a very good cook. Although a bit heavy handed with spices. He's also a pretty good musician. ;) Was your Mom in Louisianna about 49 years ago? hmn... lol lol

User: hmmmm | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: that'll be the booze kickin in

User: yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: this page sure takes a dive on fridays........

User: zan/flippy | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Steevedan: I did not forget you. I asked my DX7 Champ about patches ie. B-3 and his reply was "most of them are broken". Sorry, no good news there.

User: whoops! | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: C - I don't think so kid - you're not a better player, you're just playing better equipment - when you play professional gear, you might even sound like a pro.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: C, StAl: the people at the BBC forum disagree with you 100%. Read it. The Swedish rep. admits to his naivete...

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: ¦ - I am not sure who you are referring to, but if you mean the guy who was caught with a gun in his luggage a couple of months ago... they let him go because:

1. He was no terrorist/Al Qaeda-member, just a small-time gangster from Stockholm, with no intentions whatsoever to Hi-Jack the plane he was boarding.

2. In Sweden we don't keep people in jail without a verdict of guilty.

---

Molly - but your brother can't cook?

Steeve/YGK - Roland RD 700 are home safe, great stuff, I am already a better player.

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: >Also, WHY in the f*** did Sweden let the attempted Islamic hijaker go >this week???

Because they dont have John Ashcroft as their attorney general?

Signed -- your favorite thorn.

StAl (LMAO)

User: it's jason | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: well hey there molly------ things not b very well------- hi--- i not b as informed as others, re sweden and individuals not allowed to proceed as far as they might otherwise have been....

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: report from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/archive/2290389.stm

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Islamic attempted

terrorist numerology: 9 murders in 11 days...chilling

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Molly: Thank you

C: I wish it were a running joke (see below):

Also, WHY in the f*** did Sweden let the attempted Islamic hijaker go this week??? Hoping he'll try an American plane next time? Thanks...Nice going...

I think we've just seen that the Carter/Clinton model of appeasement doesn't work - here let's give North Korea supplies and nuclear power plants - they'll NEVER LIE and build a bomb...

"Friday, Oct. 18, 2002 12:15 a.m. EDT

Former FBI Deputy Director Robert Heibel Tells Chung: 50-50 Chance Sniper Is Terrorist

Robert Heibel, the former FBI deputy director of counterterrorism, told CNN's Connie Chung Thursday night that there is a good chance the sniper killings around Washington are the work of al-Qaeda terrorists.

Following are excerpts from the transcipt of the program:

CHUNG: Mr. Heibel, we'll start with you. Do you believe that this sniper might be a terrorist or might emerge from a terrorist group, Mr. Heibel?

ROBERT HEIBEL: I think any experienced investigator, analyst or decision maker has got to realize that the al-Qaeda organization would benefit greatly by being able to create fear in the Washington, D.C., area.

CHUNG: So, what are you saying? It's possible?

HEIBEL: And the sniper here in Washington, D.C., certainly has done that.

CHUNG: So you're saying it's possible.

HEIBEL: So I'm saying it's a consideration that has to be looked at. Yes, I am saying it is possible. ...

CHUNG: All right, Mr. Heibel, can you wrap this up for us and tell us what you think? The long and the short of it, do you believe - what are the chances that this is a terrorist or a terrorist organization? Put a percentage on it. What do you think?

HEIBEL: I'd say there's a good 50-50 shot here that it is. And I think it's an operation that's an economic operation. They don't have to have a large infrastructure to do this. And it appears to be the work of someone who is highly skilled. I think there's a good possibility.

I'm not saying it is, but I think it certainly has to be a major consideration. And I'm sure it is. "

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Happy Autumn Everyone! The leaves are beginning to turn here (finally). I hope you are all doing well.
Aus...Thanks! You're a sweetheart. I'm working on sizes. I think the Dragon-man wears a large. Not sure about my Viking yet? I'm sure both probably feel like flogging me at the moment....lol lol
Clas, thanks for asking babe.... I think you're the only one who missed me. I been busy. I've had art fairs every weekend since mid-September. Unfortunately, I've also been covered up in my Advocate and IMPACT work. I loved the photos of you btw. You bear a striking resemblance to my oldest brother Dean. Kinda spooky... lol lol Re shaving Bill: Apparently Ol Wild Bill isn't attracted to boney redheads Clas.. or at least not this one. I can't even get him to flirt with me! *sighs* I think he's got his eye on another Lady.*wink*
Dr Mu darlin you could never be a boob! I like that you never attack people in order to flex your ego. The things we disagree on were always backed up with facts on your part. Futhermore... you are always polite whenever you disagree with someone. You never attack the person.. only their opinion. I like your style Mu. Your smart witty and very nice.
Drew... Could you please fax me those reports again? I'm having troubles with practically everything related to my phone or computer. My comma key stopped working on keyboard as I began posting this. I know... I need to get newer/ more reliable equipment. But need new roof on house worse at the moment. Still no word from Trev or Tony. Robbie ships out today. Having premonitions about that. I'll call you tonight around 11:30 CST
Jason- Hi sweetie!!!!!! Hope all is well.
Duncan... How are ya? I still think "Snogging Molly" is a much better name than "Flogging Molly". I won't even ask why you need such a large shirt! Have you been indulging in more pizza? *wink*
LcPaul honeyman... Where are you?
St. Al several people have told me my Banyantrees e-mails are getting bounced again... Am I doing something wrong?
Well off to court...
Be peaceful and Loving M

User: j a s o n............... | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: I might live 'till Saturday.........

User: jason... | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: "KING OF THE WORLD".... as far as i know.... i can b no savage......

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Yeah, Python supercedes style. Morning rising as we speak. Midwest stripmall hell now rousing itself and making said self economically viable. That cliche music they play whenever they do a movie, to suggest rebirth is playing (some classical piece i'm not familiar with) and all is right wit' the world. ("Pearl Of The Quarter" playing right now.... "voulez-voulez-voulez-vous....")

User: angel (Back on the Left Coast) | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Aussie: No city for me this time. :-(
The closest I came to it was Kennedy Airport yesterday. I did manage to get over to work after the 2 flights. I spent about 2 hours getting back in the swing of work things. Boy was I tired, though.

Snakie: I heard the same story about the drought being the cause. What is so funny about that, is that our leaves are turning in LA already and we are in drought conditions, too. Hmmmm....

I was watching the movie on the plane, K19 and decided to give up after about 20 minutes. Went back to my CD. Nothing like Katy Lied at 30 thousand.

We were throwing out suggestions for costumes for Halloween. I turn to the little one and say, how about Brave Sir Robin? Or a shrubbery?
"Those are just the best ideas, Mom". Must be something about the age of said child. We will see what I can come up with. Good old Monty Python, never seems to go out of style.

Good weekend.

User: PhatDog | Month: 9 | Day: 18

Message: Grrrrr.... Snarl...

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: 1995: Pat Beemer opens this GuestBook - Al Qaeda

---

Roy Scam - hippie birthday to you too.

Stevee - Guess what Stevee, who's gonna buy a Roland RD 700 today, Friday?

PAPA BOOSTER's gonna buy a Roland Digital Piano today! Isn't life sweet?

---

Molly? What are you up to? Shaving Private Bill?

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Odorono too

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Roy: They made up for it on TvN...and wait for the Katy roundup. I'm having some difficulty in assigning the bass credits - don't have a feel yet for the Felder "sound." Rainey's fretless bass can be heard for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles...oh yeah...a good bit of Sell Out sounds like the closest thing to a Townshend solo album in style, with the exceptions of The Single and a couple of Enthwistle goofs. Our Love Was/Is, I Can't Reach You, Mary-Anne with the Shaky Hands, and Sunrise I bet don't stray far from Pete's acoustic demos...

User: Roy.Scam | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Doctor Mu~ You just told me that there were four songs on The Royal Scam in which Walter Becker didn't participate in the performance, and one more song in which his only part was distorting someone else's solo. -- How many musical groups can leave a talent of that magnitude sitting on the bench for half the game ?

Happy birthdays to Clas and LP.

Eminem 30 today? Does that mean we can no longer trust him?

SteveeDan~ good call on "Love Is Here to Stay" as greatest love song. It's about as perfect a love song as a person could write (and I wish I had.) The first four notes of that melody just make you want to grab somebody and hold on to them for the rest of your life (whether you like them or not.) I also love the way the first line rhymes with itself and with two different parts of the second line. Gershwin was a self taught genius.
If I had to limit my choices to rock-era pop songs I'd nominate:
Bob Dylan- You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go
Neil Young-Harvest Moon
Smokey Robinson-My Girl
The Who-Sunrise
John Lennon- Look at Me , In My Life
Randy Newman- Marie, Feels Like Home
Kingston Trio- Scotch and Soda
Eddie Kendricks- You're My Everything
Graham Nash- Lady of the Island (sappy, yes, but masterfully performed)
Donald Fagen-Walk Between Raindrops

There is nothing quite so peaceful as the peace that comes from killing everyone else.

RS

User: ¦ ......................................................................................................................... | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: C: Who is starivng the poor Iraqi children...who?...who could it be?...I don't know...could...it...be...S-A-D-D-A-M!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/rubin/MR-NR7-01.htm

User: ¦ @ home now | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: StevEdan: The least I could do after being a boob or a dope...

3rd Guessing Edition

THE ROYAL SCAM

Kid Charlemagne:

Drums: Bernard ôPrettyö Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

Caves of Altamira:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Jim Horn
Solo Sax: John Klemmer
Backing Vocalsö Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

DonÆt Take Me Alive:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo)
Dean Parks (rhythm)
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

Sign in Stranger:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Denny Dias (outtro)
Piano: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

The Fez:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Victor Feldman
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald

Green Earrings:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliott Randall - left channel
Larry Carlton - right channel
Guitar solo: Dean Parks - 1st Section
Denny Dias - 2nd section
Elliott Randall - 3rd section
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, triangle, maracas)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

Haitian Divorce:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Dean Parks (solo talk box)
Walter Becker (talk box voicings)
Larry Carlton (rhythm)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

Everything You Did:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo), Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Organ: Paul Griffin
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald

Royal Scam:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Donald Fagen
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (blocks, tambourine)
Dueling muted trumpets: Check Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Molly, Zan-- hi, concisely and articulately.

It's embarrassing, but as i attempt to do more alternate SD titles, i suddenly realize how few of them i even begin to understand. And why is Royal Scam the one i understand the best? That seems odd somehow. I let myself off the hook for the song "Gaucho".

MU----- All your alternate titles cool-sounding, and the fact that i understand few of them i am counting in your favor. Only "Josie" and "Everything You Did" registered with me.

Ms. Hips--- I liked "Watched Pot".

TWOAGAINSTNATURE------

"One Really Fun Way to Leave Your Lover"
"Low Self-Esteem Theater'
"It's Based on a Literary Reference Jason Doesn't Know"
"This Message On Weird and Demeaning Package Holidays Brought to You By the Spanish Tourist Bureau."

Don't have more in me. Someone claiming to be my best friend just drove away an hour or so ago. I thought this would take my mind off of it.

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Thanks Dr. Mu, I will check this out tomorrow, but I am scrambling to get to our band rehearsal right now. She did mention to me that if Don were still alive she's certain that he would have some interesting stories about the goings-on with that whole scene ... alas.

For those of you who are familar with the recently resurfaced Gaucho outtakes CD, there is a song called "If you got the bear, or the bear got you" (with some great clavinet work). On the Walter Becker "11 Tracks Of Whack" CD, the opening song "Down In The Bottom" there are lyrics just before the first chorus that go:

"... Here in the suberbs where it's hard to tell
If I got the bear or if the bear got me ..."

There ya have it.

Steveedan

User: ¦ - I love the taste of leather in the evening | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: StevE: ohhhh, yes - if Don's wife doesn't know, it would be important to her if whe had some info and could listen... sorry, it's been a brain bending day here...Dunce award for me...

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: StevE: Wait, shouldn't WE be asking HER?? LOL

The list on the Bluebook is the 2nd draft of Scam...I have a little editing, then will post 3rd draft of Royal Scam: The Players here and I hope finish Katy sometime soon or at least before the Next One...

User: Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Just bought a headset for ú7...is that a good deal?

Are the SD DVD-Audios all remastered in 5.1? If so is there a drastic improvement?

Is the rustling sound on Everyones gone to the movies meant to be there?

Has anyone watched the 2VN DVD available from cd now?...please give an honest review if they have

Well I'm off to ride the train through the misty night time...

User: Steveedan | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Hutch - Gotcha !!! I am not mad, just over-worked. My vessels are fine ... but ... my brain hurts ! I know of your coolness. No problem.

Floridavid - NAMM Show in January 2003. Let's make arrangements to meet there in Anaheim. West Coast Mickey says Hello to Florida Coast Mickey.

I mentioned last week that I went to see the post-Frank Zappa band Project Object featuring Zappa alumnuses Ike Willis and Napoleon Murphy-Brock. They were absolutely great. During one of the songs, the drummer played the signature drum groove from In-A-Godda-Da-Vida. I mentioned that song as one of my "favorite love songs" a few posts back. Our band's bassist Jake, and our drummer Paul have seen Project Object a couple of times and know Ike and Napoleon, so we stayed after the show, and hung(ed) out with them for a while. These guys are hysterical. We had a good time ... good clean fun.

It turns out that JayDubs (JWMalibu) was also at the Project Object show, he e-mailed me to tell me so, but, we have never met, so we didn't know who each other was (were?). JayDubs, I was the guy standing to the left of the stage looking over the shoulder of the 24 year old (he looked no older than 19 !) keyboard player in total disbelief. This guy has amazing chops and is very adept at navagating around on his keyboards - both dealing with the technology of the equipment and also his stellar musicianship.

Here's a weird coincidence ... Before the show started I noticed in the audience a guy who works at my 4 year old son's school. It turns out that the keyboard player is his cousin. Small, small woild.

And now for a more Steely Dan related item ...
My thanks go out to the person who posted the Don Grolnick website link here a few weeks back. I went to the website and I sent Don G.'s wife an e-mail ... and she responded, ... and I sent her another one ... and she responded ... so, this is another one of the benefits that I have received from being present here on the guestbook ...

Now Dr. Mu - Don Grolnick's wife asked me if I knew which Steely Dan songs Don played on. I know that you have been working on compiling the list of all tracks. I know off the top of my head that Grolnick played on Sign In Stranger and also on Glamour Profession, but I am not sure of the other ones he played on. If you have any information organized on this, I would like to know. I told Don's wife that I would get back to her with an answer to her question.

I noticed that you (Mu) posted a partial list on the Hoops' bluebook, so I will go and look that up. ... in search of ... Grolnick's licks ...

I just read 200 posts to catch up here. Boy are my lips tired.

THE PRETZEL LOGIC BAND RIDES AGAIN (NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT) ... BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SHAMELESS PLUGGING.

Steveedan

User: anonifun | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: just wondering what i looked like on here

User: PhatDog | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Arf!
Arf! Arf!
Arf! Arf! Arf!

Grrrrrr...
Grrrrrr...

Arf! Arf! Arf!

User: hmmmm | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/

weird!!!!

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: clas - and the patriot's winning the superbowl last year!

a DIRECT link, for sure the way they're playing lately!

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

okay, i need a life, wait, i have one, right? pffttttt

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: C: You forgot the Vikings

User: Ms. Hips... you're order is ready. | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: More working titles for the "new one":

The Best Damn Steely Dan Album in the World... Ever!

Blonde on Blonde on Blonde

Electric SteelyDan

Blue Moon Over Frozen Hell

The Watched Pot

Rumours

User: lp and another thing | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: max headroom - ten years ago in london i laughed so hard at seeing those signs!

clas - awesome list, i knew there was a link, i just did

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: yes, mu, in texas, the dead body of the sniper would be recovered by now - lol

yes, what's up with the videos at home depot and gas stations - you can't get away with not paying for gas at the pump but you can shoot someone there, no problem

so people watch me up here in maine sneaking a smoke? egads, what's a goody-two-shoes to do?

i'm hoping they are close to nailing the person(s) but are keeping their hand to themselves, which is wise, since he/it/they are watching themselves on tv

had cake at work today, i love this birthday gig, now i just need to find someone to buy me dinner before my meeting - lol

User: Great Danes & Poodles in China | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: G - you do? Great. Let's PARTY! No, seriously, I do wish you are coming over. Maybe we could do some studio-recordings, I am working on a song for the moment, see the title above, and maybe we can ad vocals to it?

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¦ - I think you forgot a lot... I am completing your list here:

ca 1492: Columbus discovers America, or at least the Bahamas - Al Qaeda

1861-65: The Civil War, there's a clear connection: Yankees - Al Qaeda

1865: Abraham Lincoln got shot - Al Qaeda

1900: Jack London, U. Sinclair - Al Qaeda

1941: Pearl Harbor - Al Qaeda

1979: the erasing of the song "2:nd Arrangement" - there are evidence almost proving that the tech-boy was connected to Al Qaeda

1980: Walter Becker got hit by a taxi and broke his leg - Al Qaeda (those fucking Muslim yellow cab-drivers)

/C

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: LP- I forgot that yesterday was your birthday, so a Happy, yet belated Birthday to you.

Sorry. Ok! :)

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: I saw Jane Monheit two weeks ago in Pittsburgh and I enjoyed the concert. The band was very good, though on occasion they did slow down on a couple of tunes. Jane sang beautifully. I got to meet her in person as she signed copies of her new CD. She was very sweet in person.
I am willing to see another Jane Monheit concert the next time she stops by Pittsburgh. I know this because she appreciated the fact that I drove 90 minutes to see her live.

So, I 'd say give another chance. She'll grow on ya, kid! ;)

By the way Enema, I mean Eminem, who got destroyed at the Grammys by
our own role models, Don and Walt, turns 30 today.
Best gifts: A bouquet of poor roses and getting tied to an amp listening
to Kenny G. music.

Oh, and to overhype himself further, he has a movie coming out with, of all people, Kim Basinger, who obviously hasn't made smart career choices despite winning an Oscar. I closed my eyes during the trailer for that self serving bastard. All I wanted to see was Red Dragon. Red Dragon was great, just no more eminem, I mean Enema.

User: ¦ - It's a Max Headroom World | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: lp: I've got one for you! Worried about our freedoms? They're already gone!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38304-2002Oct17.html

The aberage American is captured on video 8-10 times per day...and they still can't nail down the sniper!

Hope you had a good B'day...back in black?

User: PR MAN | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Dear Friends of Music
CORE - the NYC based blues and jazz trio -
has some new music which is about to arrive in the form of a CD next month

However, until that happens, they are doing their first live gig
since they went in the studio earlier this summeràà

Monday, October 28th, at 9PM
CORE
will be appearing at
IZZYÆs
1st Avenue at 11th Street
New York City
$5 Admission

Malcolm, Billy & Peter will be featuring new songs
from the yet-to-be released album
ôTryin to Sort It All Outö

these guys havenÆt made a public appearance since May,
and are itchin to playàà

donÆt miss it!

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Schwinn: ...uhhhhh, that's Volume Dude, or her voice is distorted...You should tell the "audio engineers" there not to turn it up to 11 for a real concert!!! Jane Monheit does have a Pure, traditional jazz voice... truly lovely.

Were you there at the Paramount for Norah? If you had, you'd be whistling a different tune...have to finish that story one of these days now that I've finally rescued that file...

Hell, if the sniper were in Texas we would have caught and jailed or killed the bastard by now...

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: hey all - thanks for the good birthday wishes - kids made a cake (!) for me, you should see the kitchen, LOL - flowers on my desk, what else do i need, i mean really?

ward, you know how i love a foreign tongue - lol - woops, did i just type that?

ken, I've missed you!!!! we need your conspiracy theories, mu is starting to make too much sense in here - LOL/smirk

the noreaster blew out the power last night on our side of the island, right in the middle of watching the movie "copycat" too, dammit!

clear day today on the harbor - getting my maine license plates so i won't be stopped for speeding anymore, lol - "oh, it's just you!" is what the officers say to me, what a hoot, small town life at its best!

on my cd player on windows today at work: sheryl crow - c'mon, c'mon - love the title track, what's up with gwyneth paltrow on that release? but she does have the likes of lenny castro, steve jordan, lenny kravitz, stevie nicks (psyche!), and matt brubeck on this release, as well as her current squeeze, don henley (what's up with that? don needs another ego boost i see)

on my cd player in the car is the re-released gaucho, wow does that sound great hyped up even more - i love hearing my 3 year old call out "shake it!", it's a riot!

happy thorsday!

User: PSA | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: playing this week

TRACKS OF MY YEARS - Jackson Browne

Monday Spanish Harlem Incident - Bob Dylan
What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
Tuesday Tony - Patty Griffin
The Tower of Song - Leonard Cohen
Wednesday A Case Of You - Joni Mitchell
Brass In Pocket - The Pretenders
Thursday The Waiting - Tom Petty
Someday - Steve Earle
Friday Nick Of Time - Bonnie Raitt
Steady On - Shawn Colvin

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: St. Al: Standard and Poors...too funny. Thanks for morning laugh. Also, did you get my parcel?

Molly: Flogging Molly tee-shirts for you....no worries. Let me know the size, preferable colours, and quantity. Once I have them I'll send them via United States Postal service to a destination of your choosing. The only other indication of interest to date came from Duncan.

LuckLess Pedestrian: June, meine liebe.....du bist mein herz, meine seele in meinem kopf. Eine wunderschone aura umgibt dich, meine liebe. Ward

Aus

User: G. | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Hi C :-)
Chances are El Nino and myself will come to Stockholm before this year is over. Check out ryanair.com for very very nice fares you Eurocontinent-travellers!!!!! You can fly to Rome, Venice and only have to skip buying a CD or something like that ...The Irish sure know how to flaunt the whipped cream on their coffee :-)
In the midst of work and listening to all kinds of music these days, from Portishead to surprising versions of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
Jackson Browne is heartwarming in these wintery mood swinging times of the year, right?

Jane Monheit, i saw her live in Germany but felt some resistance, perhaps she's grown again since and sings with a little less control and more from within. Although i liked the colors of her voice and have nothing but OUCH! for the band who accompanied her, i felt it was too much in the line of traditional jazz vocals and somehow my spoiled ears tend to seek for something new and authentic. Like Norah Jones, Cassandra Wilson and Carmen Lundy. But nevertheless, she's cool.

Saw a documentary starring Nat King Cole. Wish they would run his shows here on TV, because those shows are precious and historical given the decade then ... Some nice clippings with Ella Fitzgerald and her view on singing and self-criticism. Very very nice those kinda things on TV!

Okay, outa here again, my last Steely Encounter was some of Black Cow but it was very late then and i half asleep but it was enough to wake me up and think, hey, what's this doing on TV now in this yawnnnnnn ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

User: C @ Autumn Leaves | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Hi G!

Hi Schwinn! Got to look that girl up.

---

Jackson Browne's doing a great song on his latest album "The Naked Ride Home", it's about Sergio Leone, a kind of tribute-song:

SERGIO LEONE

He came 'round here with his camera and some of his American friends
Where the money is immortal and the killing never ends
He set out from Cinecitta through the ruined streets of Rome
To shoot in Almeria and bring the bodies home

He said
I'll be rich or I'll be dead
I've got it all here in my head

He could see the killers' faces and he heard the song they sang
Where he waited in the darkness with the Viale Glorioso gang
He could see the blood approaching and he knew what he would be
Since the days when he was first assisting The Force of Destiny

He worked for Walsh and Wyler with the chariot and sword
When he rode out in the desert he was quoting Hawks and Ford
He came to see the masters and he left with what he saw
What he stole from Kurosawa he bequeathed to Peckinpah

From the Via Tuscolana to the view from Miller Drive
He shot the eyes of bad men and kept their deaths alive
With the darkness and the anguish of a Goya or Van Cleef
He rescued truth from beauty and meaning from belief

(Lyrics by Jackson Browne, Music by Jackson Browne, Kevin McCormick, Mark Goldenberg, Mauricio Lewak, Jeff Young)

The coolest parts in the song are when they're mixing in Giuseppe Verdi's "La Forza Del Destino" (the choire part)in a couple of crescendo-parts. Shivering.

And the whole album is recorded on an analog multitrack tape. And the band is tight as a mirror. The musicians Jackson Browne's using don't have to be cleaned and tightened up in Pro Tools.

Ha!

PS/Sergio Leone was a director, in case you didn't know.

User: G. | Month: 9 | Day: 17

Message: Luckless Pedestrian, happy Birthday!!

User: Schwinn | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Last night we saw the 2nd of two shows featuring Jane Monheit at the One World Theatre here in Austin, Texas. For those of you unfamiliar with Austin or Texas for that matter, here's a way to distinguish us from other locales in the Union: If the DC sniper was doing his hunting down here we would sentence him to death once captured and convicted for his crimes. True, it might take a few years to kill him but once his appeals were exhausted we would strap him in the gurney and let the good times roll.

I only mention this because I was thinking what a sin it would be if Jane Monheit had been shot down by this sniper before I'd had a chance to see her. Luckily she was not and all of you have a chance to hear the best female vocalist in America. That's right, Dr. Mu, Nora Jones is not what your tired ears think she is. Monheit is so good not even the sound engineers at the One World could keep her from distorting their equipment from time to time. That's what happens when pure voice meets flawed technology. And we got to see the circuits blow and the emotions flow. Wow! The studio does this girl wrong. She's got the right dynamic for the new frontier.

See Her Live,

SEMB

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: SHould be
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User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: T

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User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Happy Birthday LP!

Hope you enjoyed your day. 38 is still very young.
40... now 40 is old. 39 starts to feel old but it's not really
old it's just a touch of old, but 40 now that's old. Don't worry
about it, you've got a long way to go before you get there.

:)

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Aja - alternative titles

HMO Cancels Late Night Sassafras Therapy

Cosmic Parking - No Fez Allowed

Bill Clinton's Alter Ego

So, You're on Showtime After Hours Now?

Hwy 101: A Space Odyssey

The Last Time Steely Dan Altered a Groove

DoppelGangbanger

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: HAPPY BIRTHDAY LP......... *KISSES* Hope you get everything you're wishing for. ;)
Aussie, please contact me regarding t-shirts... I need a couple. Nice talking btw...

User: tones | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Happy b-day lp! Hope you get lotsa toys and kisses!

St. Al (yflm) - Hey, that Pete show is a few days after ours. If he doesn't add another show down here I may see you up there, though I may have to pawn my crown for a ride uptown...

snakie - We'll get right on it. I gave the guys in the "alternative titles" dept. the day off yesterday since they had worked so late the day before, but we here a tones, inc. value you as a customer, and promise to have fresh alternative titles for you in the morning... Please help yourself to the complimentary doughnuts, coffee, and backrubs...

Late November release date for the new Joni Mitchell... maybe the Joni tribute isn't far away also?

t

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: For Aus...

STOCK MARKET TERMINOLOGY

These terms have been updated to fit today's times:

CEO: chief embezzlement officer.

CFO: corporate fraud officer.

BULL MARKET -- A random market movement causing an investor to mistake
himself for a financial genius.

BEAR MARKET -- A 6 to 18 month period when the kids get no allowance, the
wife gets no jewelry, and the husband gets no
sex.

VALUE INVESTING -- The art of buying low and selling lower.

P/E RATIO -- The percentage of investors wetting their pants as themarket
keeps crashing.

BROKER -- What my broker has made me.

STANDARD & POOR -- Your life in a nutshell

STOCK ANALYST! -- Idiot who just downgraded your stock.

STOCK SPLIT -- When your ex-wife and her lawyer split your assets equally
between themselves.

FINANCIAL PLANNER -- A guy whose phone has been disconnected.

MARKET CORRECTION -- The day after you buy stocks.

CASH FLOW -- The movement your money makes as it disappears down the toilet.

YAHOO -- What you yell after selling it to some poor sucker for $240 per
share.

WINDOWS 2000 -- What you jump out of when you're the sucker who bought Yahoo
@ $240 per share.

INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR -- Past year investor who's now locked up in a
nuthouse.

PROFIT -- an archaic word no longer in use.

Take my wife, please!
StAl

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Dead World Wide Update:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/4297416.htm

User: father william | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Al: only semi-smart, I still use Windows also. ;-))

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: 
db's single of the year so far...
Liam Lynch - 'United States Of Whatever'
1min50 of perfect pop, should be a hit if it gets enough airplay.
he seems like a clever bloke, & his website looks great.

http://www.111productions.com

bottox spotted tonight !!!
ATTENTION
Rodgers Paul, take 3 steps forward.
Just caught Bad Co on TOTP2, Recorded a couple of weeks ago.
they sounded awesome & looked a treat.

Savings Club 03
the rumours persist...
Zepplin to tour USA 2003.
Looks like there may be something in this one...lol they even remembered to phone John Paul this time.

New Mark Knophler single out now
''whey eye man''
funny & good.

StAl
PtII of gabriel documentary on this weekend, will let you know when it's available online.
Radio Banyantrees down ????

Aussie
XXXL for me please.

Sh..mail heading your way.

Cyn: Heading this way ?

Football on now, boys nite in... ahhh the joys of bonding.
''I love the smell of testosterone in the evening''

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Flogging Molly playing live, here in New York City at Irving Plaza, Sunday, Octobre 24th 8:00 PM. Sinse the venue is steps away from yours truly's flat, I'd be glad to pick up tee-shirts for any GB denizen who indicates an interest.

Love,
Aus

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Tribute the Movie in Olympia?

THE EXPERIENCE MUSIC PROJECT (SEATTLE): October 23rd 7 & 8:45pm 325 5th Ave. N at the Seattle Center. Tickets at the door.

User: Ken Starr | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Happy Birthday Ms. Luckless Pedestrian. You deserve to enjoy the day and therefore no charges will be filed unless you end up with a lampshade on your head this evening. Enjoy it Girl!!!!

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Howard: To that end -- Willie Nelson's guitar has a hole the size of my fist in it and he STILL makes great music.

I see we have a Linux user. Now there's the smartest person here!

I just scored some amazing seats for the Seattle PG show. $100 a pop. The most I've ever paid for a concert ticket. It better be good...

StAl

User: Dano | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: LP , Wanna come see Southside tonight , the Jersey boys are back in town and i can buy yae a wee swallie for reaching another year.If not hope you have a dooser anyway......

Heads up the Minibus is here , 14 of us off to get Muellered, and i still have to get up for work in the morning to earn money for `Her Who Must Be Obeyed`

Oh Well , life is so hard??

Dano.

User: sh | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: 
Angel - hope you're enjoying NY...the leaves haven't changed much here or in northern Michigan either...someone said it's cause we didn't get enough rain during the summer

¦ - they do? lol

floridavid - hey! good to see ya

db - do i need a new email address for you?

User: N. Cognito | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Apropos of nothing in particular:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/harp/1016.html

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: President Bush just signed an Iraq resolution authorising the use of force....here we go.

Randy: "The quality of everything is eroding with the sole exception of technology." - Paul Simon" I would argue that the quality of life itself has been eroded significantly BECAUSE of technology.

Angel: If you swing by Manhattan in your travels let me know....love to meet for a drink.

Aus

User: ¦ - but the ladies tell me I taste better | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Damn, score one for the head in the sand One

Alright...I'm following the creed of Miles Davis from this point on" [hoarse whisper] "never give anything away"

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: ¦ - too bad you're not whisky then.

User: angel (definitely beating the heat) | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Being rained on in NY and loving it....

Floridave: The leaves are not yet turning here, I was very surprised. Maybe upstate NY.

I finally got to read my Steely Dan Newsletter (I was wondering what you all were talking about). What's the deal about not being able to hear it in NY and Los Angeles?

St. Al: Glad you managed to get Gabriel in your neck of the woods. Now I don't have to offer shelter to you for the LA date. :-)

W1P: I love the Olympia Brewing Plant. What a beautiful place (and the beer isn't too bad, either).

User: ¦ - Vote and/or Die | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: 
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/10/16/iraq.elections.ap/index.html

C: If I was a whisky, I'd have been thrown out 30 years ago...

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: ¦ - how old are you doc?

User: sh | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: 
lp - happy birthday darlink!

tonezy - luv the "alternative" titles for the new one...got any more?

jim# - great story..."oyster logic"? lol

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: S.A.D: Careful. Walter and the Steely Dan crew use Macs. Pro Tools was written for the Mac. I think that speaks for itself...

AstroVan, AstronVan...wasn't the van with the Middle Eastern chaps that Dr. Brown got the uranium from in Back to the Future... like an Astrovan?

Eyewitness reports from DC place the sniper as Middle-Eastern or Hispanic

1993: WTCI - Al Qaeda

1995: OKC - Al Qaeda, Iraq recruit, train, support right wing whackos

1996: Atlanta Olympic bombing - never solved - Richard Jewell - likely Al Qaeda

1997: Embassy bombing - Al Qaeda

2000: USS Cole - Al Qaeda

2001: 9/11 - Al Qaeda + possibly Iraq

2002: Bali, Finland, DC Sniper - Al Qaeda

get the picture...methodical, cold, daring, ruthless, not your 5 chimps...

C: I think the *key* phrases are:

"long time since..."
&
"...pleasant surprise"

Doesn't sound too bad - but 4th of July on October Road is more interesting than the whole Browne album...

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: LP....happy birthday girl!! Keep your party hat on today....I hear there's a NorEaster brewing up your way....hope you have a great day!

can anyone give me the specifics of the radio (?) show coming up with D+W on it?

Hutch....sure thing bud! Feel free to share the butterfly with your friends.

'tis a cool and wet day in the Mid-Atlantic today....I can dig it.

MC

User: Randy | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: 
"The quality of everything is eroding with the sole exception of technology." - Paul Simon

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: SD Systems Analysis Department | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: In keeping with company policy we have issued the following operating
system I.Q. chart. Please review this chart and take appropriate action.

Operating System I.Q.
---------------- ------

Windows XP 200 - 275
Windows 98 60 - 80
Windows 95 6 - 8
Apple Computer 1 - 3

Thank You.

User: Howard | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: What's with all the operating system fascism? Some people should get a life.

Oh, wait - of course, how stupid of me. I'm forgetting that intelligence is directly correlated with how up to date your version of the MicroShite operating system is. I mean, some folks have the nerve to post using Windows 95! Crazy, eh? If their operating system is that old, they can't POSSIBLY have anything interesting to say, right? Right?

Wrong.

It reminds me a little of different types of musicians. Some are happy with mediocre or even poor instruments, but nevertheless manage to produce wonderful music on them. Others spend every last buck on the latest flashy instruments, effects, you name it, but end up producing lame music. Not all fall in to these categories of course, but there is a tendency in some to believe that more expensive gear will make them sound better. Maybe some people believe the similar for operating systems?

... and wasn't there a recent quote from Donald about this? Something about the fact that musical skill hasn't advanced to anything like the degree that music technology has advanced, with the result that (exceptions such as Steely Dan aside) there is an awful lot of music around these days that has been created using the latest gear, but still sounds crap - and if you go back 100 years or so you've got people like Debussy writing exquisite music using the most basic equipment: piano, pen, paper.

Howard

User: Goodmorning Casino Nation! | Month: 9 | Day: 16

Message: Here's an review of Jackson Brownes "The Naked Ride Home":

Jackson Browne: The Naked Ride Home
By John Metzger
The Music Box, September 23, 2002

"ItÆs been a long time since Jackson Browne has released an album anywhere near as good as The Naked Ride Home. In fact, his latest release very well may prove to be the best of his career. ThatÆs saying something, too, considering that in the Æ70s Browne recorded several monumentally beautiful (and brutally honest) masterpieces such as For Everyman, Late for the Sky, and Running on Empty. Indeed, in the past two decades Browne has penned a number of good songsùas well as some that fared better and some that fared worseùbut more often than not, the music that surrounded his words left the albums feeling just a tad confining. Only his 1993 set IÆm Alive truly came close to recapturing the magic of his Æ70s output, but the subsequent Looking East sounded like leftovers from the same recording sessions.

ThatÆs why The Naked Ride Home is such a pleasant surprise. For starters, it wraps BrowneÆs eloquent lyrics in the same type of unfettered arrangements and organic melodies that made Late for the Sky and For Everyman such classics. But more than thirty years after first venturing onto the music scene, he manages to find a fresh way to parlay his poetic words on love, loss, and the world at large into things of beauty without completely forsaking his past. Never Stop embraces an ebullient R&B euphony; Walking Town delves into a funk motif; DonÆt You Want to Be There plays like a sequel to BrowneÆs epic Before the Deluge, complete with gospel harmonies; and For Taking the Trouble traverses an effortless, airy reggae groove, borrowing a phrase from Iko Iko and succeeding musically where much of World in Motion failed.

Throughout The Naked Ride Home, Browne allows each song to fully develop at its own leisure. Though more than half the tunes stretch far past the five-minute mark, none overstay their welcome. Song introductions and conclusionsùsuch as the joy/sorrow duality of the title track, the haunted spaces of Sergio Leone, and Casino NationÆs ominously bass-heavy indictment of AmericaÆs celebrity culture*ùare extended in ways that allow the melodies to blossom and bloom, slowly revealing each nuance with the utmost deliberation. Indeed, each musical interlude provides the perfect opportunity to ponder BrowneÆs words. Be it social commentary or personal reflection, the songs on The Naked Ride Home follow a central theme of the loss of innocence, while mixing equal parts of hope and sorrow to form a sequence that strives for and reaches transcendence."

*Backstagepasses and Champagne?

Ha!

C

User: batl apl | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: LP-Hope your birthday is da bomb.
Hey folks, Windows95 still does everything I need. So far. I'll be in Florida for Turkey Time and will be thinking of y'all as I walk between the raindrops.
A primer on speaking Floridian-- it's the only place where there is a difference between a buffalo and a bison.
You can't wash your face(pronounced "fice") in a buffalo, but you can wash your face in a bison.

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Happy Birthday Luckless Pedestrian
D,D&L xx

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Oleander- Got the SD Newsletter, too. This is so exciting. I'm a big fan of "Piano Jazz." Marian McPartland is a great host. I try not to miss a single show, but on occasion, my job takes me out of it. I'm still mad over missing the Rachel Z. show from a few months back.

Damn shame that we have to wait till February to hear it.

Now I know that there are some CD's of "Piano Jazz" out in music stores
now. The most recent was one with Carmen McCrae. Will there be a "Piano Jazz with Steely Dan" CD? Who knows? I'm still waiting to see if there
will ever be a VH1 Storytellers cd with Steely Dan. I'm still waiting to see if VH1 will get back to music instead of hyping Liza and David or showing "Bull Durham" a movie that has nothing to do with the music scene
for the umpteenth time.

February 2003! I wonder. Maybe that's when the new one comes out.
Naaaaah! I'd say summer 2003.

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Doctor Mu: Interesting data points on the drone deal. Thanks for update.

LuckLess Pedestrian: June, mi amor. Feliz cumpleanos querida. Te quire mucho, Ward.

FloriDavid: What goes on brother? Long time no connect. And yes, the crisp fall air is here...feels real good after such a brutally hot summer. You see, if I were in Floridoodle like you, I wouldn't be able to sport my well worn Norweigan Fisherman's sweater from LL Bean I love so much since high school. Small chanse I'll be in your neck of the woods for my birthday on the 25th (weekend of) of the current month. I will advise....

Jim Sharp: Great story bud....thanks for sharing.

Good night!

Aus

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: jason;

side two:

The Thomas Crown Royal Beware
No Lotion, No Shoes, No Service
The Weekend-over Conference Didn't Return Late as Planned
No Shoes, Memorial Service

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Jason

User: oleander | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: jjeff--great bleacher scene. Only I'd be just as likely to be under them.

snakie--marvelous report. You caught the energy.

jim#--great story! I've had those (rare) moments. They have "Peg" & "Josie" on one of their cover cd's.

Great song titles, New One titles. This will be a fun windup.

RE New SD Newsletter--!!!!!!... The Duo on Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz??? That's better than the Grammies! I cannot WAIT to hear them! The only thing better would be for it to be on video. And... how lovely.... more affirmation that there very well may be an actual New One in our lifetime....

User: ¦ - it's the end of the world as we know it | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Man, this is sicker than a Steely Dan song:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2002/102002/10152002/760427

speaking of...

lp: Did I say Dopes? I meant Boobs!

Jaxon: I like it -

aussie: Turns out Pete Ifju & colleagues at the University of Florida are working on programming and designing microdrones that mimic the the Predator...when I came home i found a story in a newsletter. The Predator weighs 2,500 lbs with wingspan of 50 feet and costs $50 M apiece. The Predator travels thousands of miles and stays aloft for hours and were used over Afghanistan. Ifju is designing micro-aerial vehicles or MAVs. He has designed models of drones in the past 5 years that range of 5-18 in. They are made of carbon and latex and can survey targets of 600m, which could be used for local surveillance by remote control...I was excited for a while, but they have so little intertia and such a high surface area/volume ratio and travel slow enough that there's more drag than lift and would be difficult to control in rough terrain or on windy days. NASA, the Air Force, and Army Special Operations have spent over half a million in development. While radar, antiaircraft are moot, it seems a decent skeet shooter could knock them down...

User: j a s o n | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Alternate titles, Royal Scam....side one.

"Drug Dealers Panic Really Easily"
"Cavemen Paint Surprisingly Well"
"I'm Just Asking For It, Ain't I?"
"Interzone, Only It's a Planet"
"Interesting Headgear, But Will It Stay On?"

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: St Al, I thought you were from Olympia. "It's the water, and a lot more" ;-)

User: fw | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: too much time on my hands

User: fw | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: too much time on my hands

User: fw | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: hmmmmm...

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Mozilla/4.78 (TuringOS; Turing Machine; 0.0) = Anonymizer = WEber

Now WEber -- am I going to have to take your posting privledges away again?

*snicker*

Not only am I buying myself a ticket, but my Wife, 13 year old daughter and my good pal from San Fran. In case you can't count, which I know you can't, that's 4 tickets -- about the same amount as you pay for those blow-up dolls (sheep) you're forced to used all the time...

W1P: I'm still in Seattle. Just thought you'd like to know.

StAl

User: ¦ - someone to watch over me | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: aussie: Now we have the license to go Snowbound...

lp: Happy B'day...

Rumsfeld does love hamming for the press

70% approval - Doesn't look like it - OK, well it Does depend upon recruitment of more Dead candidates and voters!!!

Or... IF Gephardt or Kerry or maybe Lieberman step out from the shadows of the circus led by a barrelful of clowns: Byrd, McDermott, McAuliffe, Toricelli, Daschle, Belafonte & Gore...the problem is they all Want to be Like Bill, but they're NOT!...not very savvy or smart, they're political dopes...even with Bill trying to run the show behind the scenes...Besides, look for the economy to bounce back whenever the Next One is released...

BUT take heart if you're a fan (rather than an audience member like myself):

(1) The Republicans are known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

(2) I agree with Evil Genius Dick Morris who sez that the Republican Party will be irrelevent in 2008, unless they nominate an African-American and/or woman and/or Latino (Condy Rice, Powell, etc)...and I don't think the 'necks south of Virginny will allow that...

User: The Great Beyond | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Clas,
Still using Windows98 I see, heh heh... (look no return key!)

User: ohhhhh | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: trappppplllllellllhummmphhhtthhlaaacckkk
sound of rattle hitting floor

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Doctor Meeyoo: Our friends at NOAA just continue to amaze yours truly....dig this dude:

WASHINGTON (AP)--The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
which runs the satellite rescue system that has watched over pilots and boaters
for two decades, plans to announce a new program Wednesday featuring handheld
"personal locator beacons" for the public.
The devices, which signal NOAA's rescue system, will be available starting
July 1 and will cost $300 or more.
"We're going to see a lot of usage among those who spend a lot of time in the
outdoors, who go into really remote places where cell phones just don't work,"
said Lt. Daniel Karlson, a NOAA spokesman.
Karlson said outdoor outfitters will sell or rent the beacons. People taking
long car trips would be better off with cell phones, he said, but they also
could carry beacons in case emergencies occur where phones don't work.
The beacon sends an electronic S.O.S. to satellites, which relay the distress
call through an NOAA control center in Suitland, Md., outside Washington. NOAA
then contacts local rescuers.
Australia, Canada, Russia and several European countries already allow broad
use of personal beacons.
Use of the beacons in the U.S. has been limited to planes and ships because
the agencies involved weren't ready to coordinate a nationwide rescue system on
land, Karlson said. The few exceptions included personal beacons used by Forest
Service rangers and in the escape kits of NASA astronauts.
Last week, the Federal Communications Commission approved the use of personal
beacons on land. The agency said the devices will make rescuers' jobs easier,
saving lives, time and money.
A test program in Alaska, which has allowed the use of personal beacons since
1994, has resulted in hundreds of rescues.
"It takes the search out of search and rescue," said Randy Crosby, who directs
rescue teams in Barrow, Alaska's northernmost city.
In its 20 years of operation, the satellite rescue system has helped save
close to 14,000 people worldwide, including about 4,300 in the United States.
One was Mike Ryan, 46, a stunt driver from Los Angeles. In 1985, the small
plane he was flying crashed, leaving him with crushed feet and ankles in a
remote area of New Mexico.
The crash set off his plane's beacon, and rescue crews found him 17 hours
later. He said it was just in time: "I had enough blood for maybe another
hour."
The satellite rescue system was born in 1972 after a plane carrying two
congressmen crashed in a remote part of Alaska. A massive, 39-day search found
no trace of House Majority Leader Hale Boggs or Rep. Nick Begich.
Congress responded by requiring every U.S. aircraft to carry a transmitter
that would broadcast a homing signal after a crash.
Ultimately, the U.S., Canada, France and the Soviet Union created the
satellite rescue system. The operation now involves 32 countries with ground
stations around the world.

(END) DOW JONES NEWS 10-15-02
03:46 PM- - 03 46 PM EDT 10-15-02

User: W1P | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Back from Phoenix.

User: shakin' | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: A whole lot of Steely Dan talk here.

Bill, any idiot can tell when you post anon. Al can tell through ISP, especially with me, but you're the only idiot in cyberspace that hits the 'enter' key after writing five words.

User: Floridavid | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: LP- Happy B-Day to you, Young Lady (compared to me anyway)How's the North Country Treating you and the Family? Sounds like you're getting in the Groove. Bet you have a really "New England" Holiday season this year.I miss that sometimes.

SnakeHips- Most Excellent Color on The Glimmer Twins and Company.

Oleander- Thanks for including me in your group Shoutout recently.
Back-Atcha Girlie.

StevieDan- Got a call from The Drum Guys...they wanted to know If I will be attending L.A. NAMM in January....Absatively!! This time we'll hook up. And Angel and Craig and Bluz...Danfest?

Aus,YGK,LadyB,NY PILL..er Bill, Is Fall approaching there?
I know I'm omitting a bunch of friends ...forgive me.
David

User: Rich Man...Poor man | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: St.Al...Peeing yourself? You mean you can afford the ticket to see Peter Gabriel now?? You must have sold a ton of those discounted guestbook t-shirts. Maybe we could all chip in and give you some money... you poor slob.

User: Were you Blind that day? | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: he Blind Man and the Elephant

It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant~(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation~Might satisfy his mind.

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side, ~ At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant ~ Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, "Ho! what have we here?
So very round and smooth and sharp? ~ To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant ~ Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands, ~ Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant ~ Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like ~ Is mighty plain," quoth her;
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant ~ Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most; ~ Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant ~ Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail ~ That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant ~ Is very like a rope!

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion ~ Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right ~ And all were in the wrong!

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Pentagon officials now considering the use of predator drones to nab the Virginia sniper. Predator drones. Cool.

Aus

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: StAl - sorry, can't do that. Ask Molly.

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: WHOLLY FREAKING MOLEY! Peter Gabriel just announced the addition of a Northwest date at the end of his Fall tour. December 17th -- Key Arena!

I'm so freaking excited I could pee myself.

Clas -- kiss my ass

Tonezy -- whew! That was a close one. Though my head would explode at the thought of missing this tour.

Bernard Purdie was interviewed by Bob Rivers (Twisted Tunes guy) this morning on a local classic rock radio station. When asked who his favorite artist that he most enjoy(s) working with, they were, in order...

1. Steely Dan
2. Aretha Franklin
3. BB King

StAl

User: The Upper Echelon | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Windows 98 Clas?
Maybe I'll send you XP for your birthday if you're a good boy.
How does Windows98 run with a 286 processor?

Pretty slow I'll bet...
:)

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: LP - happy birthday! 38 years old. I remember that.

Or do I?

User: angel (out on the right coast) | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Spending some quality time visiting my dad on Long Island. We rode over to Jones Beach yesterday, a beautiful blue sky day and saw the Jones Beach Theatre as we walked along the beach. Man I need a tour soon....

Jim #: Wow! What color!!!! Definitely worth the wait. Pretzel Logic is one of my favorite songs in a concert setting. Man, I was swaying with you on that one....

Snakie: No apologies needed on your color. Great review!!!

jjeff: One toke over the line? I laughed myself silly in this library (no mean feat, I might add). Feel free to write more stories on the trials and tribulations of the SIS Guestbook.

LP: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!! (38, I wish....)

Mu: Looking like I am going to lose the SD release date pool. Time for angel to put her thinking cap on again. :-(

No time to look at all the links you people have made. (damn that Library limit of 1 hour). Back to the left coast on Thursday afternoon. I actually have to work, when I return to LA. Sigh....

User: Sergeant Booster | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Private Bill, go back cleaning up the latrine barrels, okay?

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: scrolled 2 pages to catch up

snakehips - hey, great show, thanks!

jjeff - #2188 post was hilarious!

mu - did you read the new york times yesterday - there was an article about "rummy's memo" written in march 2001 (hmmm) and one that he updates as situations change - that guy is living his wet dream right now, he doesn't even hide the fact he gets off on this stuff - i'd be okay with everything if he wasn't so damned psyched about it, that's a little creepy

in cases where national security is hampered by the release of all information that is being used to make a decision, it is one of those times that the public trust in their elected officials comes into play - and this, to me, is the problem: people want to hear all the information because they can't trust their leaders, but the leaders cannot and should not release everything they know so the viscious cycle continues

bush is a one-termer, people don't mind switching teams in the middle of a play

weekend at the reunion was fun - no surprises, no jostling, just alot of beer, good music (reunion band, of course, played alot of late 70's stuff, not bad) and lots of good laughs

9 hour drive - wow, that sucked

happy tuesday to you -

my shameless plug for today is tomorrow is my 38th birthday, and yes, i still love my birthday no matter that the number goes up every year, that's how it works - losing 35 pounds and moving to maine helps with the attitude i guess - lol!

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Pat,

Would you mind removing that pesky system information at the bottom
of each post? How am I supposed to pick on Clas anonymously?

Now he's claiming to be a nice guy. Now I've heard it all.

User: Beerberian | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: A number of disciples went to the Buddha and said, "Sir, there are living here in Savatthi many wandering hermits and scholars who indulge in constant dispute, some saying that the world is infinite and eternal and others that it is finite and not eternal, some saying that the soul dies with the body and others that it lives on forever, and so forth. What, Sir, would you say concerning them?"

The Buddha answered, "Once upon a time there was a certain raja who called to his servant and said, 'Come, good fellow, go and gather together in one place all the men of Savatthi who were born blind... and show them an elephant.' 'Very good, sire,' replied the servant, and he did as he was told. He said to the blind men assembled there, 'Here is an elephant,' and to one man he presented the head of the elephant, to another its ears, to another a tusk, to another the trunk, the foot, back, tail, and tuft of the tail, saying to each one that that was the elephant.

"When the blind men had felt the elephant, the raja went to each of them and said to each, 'Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?'

"Thereupon the men who were presented with the head answered, 'Sire, an elephant is like a pot.' And the men who had observed the ear replied, 'An elephant is like a winnowing basket.' Those who had been presented with a tusk said it was a ploughshare. Those who knew only the trunk said it was a plough; others said the body was a grainery; the foot, a pillar; the back, a mortar; the tail, a pestle, the tuft of the tail, a brush.

"Then they began to quarrel, shouting, 'Yes it is!' 'No, it is not!' 'An elephant is not that!' 'Yes, it's like that!' and so on, till they came to blows over the matter.

"Brethren, the raja was delighted with the scene.

"Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing.... In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus."

Then the Exalted One rendered this meaning by uttering this verse of uplift,

O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For preacher and monk the honored name!
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing.

User: Beeberian | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: THE NEW PROJECT
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As of this date, we can report that recording continues
and no release date is set. We expect to be able to
provide more details as soon as they become available.

In the meantime, and in the face of sundry "reports" from
the field concerning various purported features of the
project, we refer you to the parable of
"The Blind Man and the Elephant".

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Hey everyone! Trying to wake up.......
Re post 2255: ROFLMAO... Yeah that's me alright. Furthermore, I picked the Bamyantrees site because I knew it would be comprised primarily of middle-aged, married men. Everyone knows that they are the most romantic devils on the internet. All you gotta do is compete with their families, work, a mortgage and an obsession with music for all this attention I seek.
Clas, ok baby whatever you say!
Jimbo, I don't know Sweetie? I hear tickets are about $300.00 a pop. (That's $75.00 a song!) That's as much as I pay to see an entire season of Ballet. I'd have to think about it. They were excellent when I saw them though... Snakie gives a wonderful description of their show.
My Viking, going caving today. I'll try to be in touch though.*kisses*

Off now for coffee!

User: db | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: Mu/JJ
There's coffee in my new keyboard i laughed so hard :(

anyhow

D'Aja View
Bad Speakers
Change The Fire Guard
(Can't) Do It Again
Little Kwai
Only A Fool Would Say That ...Pardon
''Bloody'' Show Biz Kids
The Craves of Altzheimer
Yesterday's Girls

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 15

Message: And to make you understand a little bit easier Molly, I have zoomed in my hand holding the glass jar. You can see, in the background, the wheatflour bag, and a spoon on the bench.

Feel free to ask if there's anything you're wondering over.

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/glass_jar

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: And if you look carefully, you can see how I am shaking the glass jar with wheatflour and water, for thickening, it's gonna be Cream-Sauce a la Chicken de Bonita.

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Molly- On the new Stones compilation CD, Forty Licks, there are four new track fresh off the studio by Mick, Keith, Ron and, of course, Charlie.

So since there are some new tracks, maybe that'll change your mind about seeing the Stones. Wink, wink? Nudge, nudge ;)?

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Snake- Thanks for the Stones review. The greatest Rock and Roll band in the world still knows how to kick ass.

As a long deceased singer once said, Age Is Nothing But a Number.

Just as long as you have the juice, never stop. If Pete Sampras could do it, so could the Stones.

User: Godmorning there, you Casino Nation! | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Molly, my sweatest little Sugarblossom, I am NOT a Macho Sex Machine. I don't understand where you got that from. I'm a Straight Arrow, a Nice Guy, a Sawdust and Cinder-man... even a Feminist sometimes, and I can tell you this; once I helped my wife in the kitchen... yes, cooking.

And I can prove it:

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/cooking

User: Hutch (again) | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Midnite - That butterfly photo is outstanding. I sent it to a couple of friends who I know will really dig it.

User: Hutch | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: New photo on the ODP. No real news though... no release date set. Recording continues.
Damn. I thought they were mixing already!

User: t | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Oy Vey! ...youze guys is funny...

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Mu:Your old titles were funny. How About:

Midday Snoozer
Only a Fool Would Hear That
Fire? What Fire?
Change Of The Diaper
Out Of My Mind
With A Gun....Please

Dead vote thing is funny too.
Ya gotta laugh. If you don't....

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Dead vote update:

http://www.ksfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=970855&nav=0w0iBlP6

User: a neighbor | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Don't feel bad, Rusty. I real life Molly is a 450lb. welfare Mom living out her fantasy life in her welfare trailer park in ol' Kentuck
sending out pics of her good looking neighbor and dreaming of the size 5 panties she would like to squeeze her bulk into. Some days
it is really hard to keep track of all the aliases she uses but it is worth all the effort because she gets all that attention from men that
she has never had in the real world. Her 35" ass is just that....35" across, the oven she races off to is the one she bakes countless
pans of brownies in...her myoptic eyes stuck to the teeny monitor and brownie crumbs falling into the keyboard. But she prevails..
it is all she can do. The fantasy dims her dingy surroundings and melts away 300 lbs. Ahhh..it is just so very sad.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Rusty, I gave you a bit more attention than I would have in real life! You wouldn't have rated a brief glance as I walked by in real life. Alas, unfortunately for you, The Viking isn't gay. So I guess you've struck out on both counts.

User: xxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Snakehips, Thanks so much for taking me to the Stones concert...I LOVED it !

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: battle

midlife

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: tones: If Two Against Nature represented the ballte against midlif crisis and running contrary to the nature of the human condition,

...perhaps the Next One could take the spectre of advancing age by the horns...ergo potential titles such as:

Citizen Cane
Grouch-O
Oy Miami
Grandaddy Don't Live in That Patio Home No More
Branson (Owes the Farmer)
Turn that Pacemaker on Again
Hey 90
North Dallas 401k
Barium Solarium
Went Inside Story
Teehouse on the Links
Medicare Silence
Can I Get Some Service Around Here?

User: Zan | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Rusty...a swarm of fish????

Molly...tried to email you at Banyan but they bounced.

User: jjeff--- | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: 
Snakehips: Thanks so much. The Stones were and to an extent still are my idols. Before videos there were only reviews to give you an idea of what they were like live, and I'd devour them over and over. Of course big city people could see them when they toured but that wasn't possible for most of us. I can still remember the review of the '75 tour hitting L.A., from RS. They were gods above everyone. Mick could fly. Keith was the walking dead and all knew he did....heroin( gasp). Heady stuff for a teenager.
I love it when they do the lesser played stuff. Can't U hear me knockin' would have been great. And love train! Wow! The sax player is probably Bobby Keys. He usually tours with them. Thanks again.

Jim#: Sounds like you had a great weekend. Got your groove on. Good. Savour the moment.

Duncan: Saw League Of Gentleman last year. Great stuff. My favorite charactor was the butch cab driver in a dress and wig who wanted a sex change. Is this new stuff? Maybe I can expect more Brit. import, eh?
Say hi! to little Dan for me.

Rusty: Be good, now.

Gina: What's this? The Office ? New Brit. comedy, eh? Must keep an eye out.

Ali Mcgraw got mad at you
for givin' head to Steve Mcqueen
Yeah, you and me we made a pretty pair
Falling through the silver screen
Honey I'd do any thing for you
I don't know where to draw the line
And I don't bet that you won't get
John Wayne before he dies

You're a starfucker, starfucker, starfucker, starfucker, star WHOA

Bianca must have cringed doncha think?

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Snakehips: You're much too flattering, thank you for the kind words. Loved your Stones review... Thank you for sharing. Surprising that the glitter twins didn't break for a quick line or toke or swig the whole time! Impressive feat at that age no doubt...

A local radio station here in Southampton sponsored a "can you guess what the fuck Keith Richards is saying???!!" contest. In between sets of tunes, the disque jockey would play bits of recorded tape featuring Mr. Richards saying something for about ten seconds.....callers who correctly identify the insanely garbled garble would win ticquets to the coming shows here in the north east. Most of the clips were funny as shit, as even yours truly (a fully decorated encryption decipherer for a global spook company)was compleatly stumped on them all.

But seriously, he is rather charming in person, fish hooks in hair and all.

Aus

User: tones | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Thanks Snakie! Definitely no need for a disclaimer... mighty vivid colour there. Felt like I was there with you. We've got to get you to more concerts so we can get more fab colour from you! Especially loved the "oh my!"...

More working titles for the "new one":

More Songs About... What *Are* These Songs About?

Dark Side of the Mu

Unplugged

User: Dyslopsic Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Molly: Is that the best you can do? You see, I was swimming through the murky waters of this GB. I noticed a swarm of fish being drawn to what appeared to be ground bait. I sat back and watched them feed in a frenzy, occasionally one would be drawn out the water, I could hear someone shout "Throw back the little ones!". I kept silent and watched even more attentively. As I continued to swim through the melee I spotted some bait... it was two maggots on a size 6 hook! I mean really do you expect to catch anything on that. I teased you with sporadic nibbles and you never even had the sense to try new bait or a different hook. Alas I still swim in the murky waters and you sit on the river bank with nothing to fry...

User: Bravo | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: More !!!

User: snakehips | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: 
Disclaimer: Writer does not possess the creative writing skills of such GB luminaries as (for example) Aussie, Miz Ducky and Tones. So please keep that in mind as you read the following attempt at ôcolorö from the Stones concert at Ford Field in Detroit, Saturday 10/12/02.

First of allà.the Stones KICKED ASS!

What a fabulous stageàsomeone said it was about 80 feet high, all black and silver gridwork with big screen panels that moved from the sides around to behind the bandàrunways off each side and one straight down the middle of the stadium that ended at a smaller circular stageà.

They opened with Brown Sugar û Mick dressed in purple, dancing, jumping and struttinÆ all over the place. They sounded great right off.

ItÆs Only Rock and Roll
Start Me Up
DonÆt Stop
Tumbling Dice
Undercover
Wild Horses
You CanÆt Always Get What You Want
CanÆt You Hear Me Knocking (extended û great sax soloàsorry canÆt remember the playerÆs name)

Mick changes to silver jacket and felt hat for their version of the Ojays ôLove Trainö. Quite groovy.

Keith steps up to the mike to say ôItÆs good to be hereà.itÆs good to be anywhereö. He sang ôSlipping Away ô and then to the crowdÆs delight he sang ôHappyö.

EverythingÆs dark, you can hear it but you canÆt see anythingàthen the spotlightÆs on Mick in his red leather trench coat û Satan himself û ôSympathy for the Devilö. As he sings the chorusàgiant bursts of flames come out of the top of the stageàRon and Keith are burning up the guitars as well. Awesome.

The boys (including bass and keyboard players, sorry, donÆt know their names) make their way down the center ramp talking to the crowd and slapping hands all the way to the smaller round stage. They do ôYou Got Me Rockinö, ôLet it Bleedö, and DylanÆs ôLike A Rolling Stoneö. TheyÆre driving the crowd crazyàgetting so up-close-and-personal and you can tell theyÆre having a blast too. Even Charlie was smiling.

Back to the main stage for an incredible rendition of ôGimme Shelterö and a raunchier-than-usual ôHonky Tonk Womenö with animated naked girl riding the tongue of the Stones trademark lips and tongueà.oh myà.

Next was "Street FightinÆ Man" and a big ending with more flames and fireworks for ôJumpin Jack Flashöà.they leave the stage and the crowd canÆt stop clapping, yelling, whistling, screaming for more...

...all of a sudden from the dark stage you hear that incredible lick ûand itÆs Keith by himself for a momentàöSatisfactionöàvery very cool.

It was 2-1/2 hours of non-stop rock and roll û no breaks, no intermission.
Mick never stoppedàhe sounded greatàRon and Keith were awesome àCharlie was perfect (as usual)àthey were even better than the last time I saw them.
The crowd was blissfully rocked and rolled as an incredible fireworks display ended the showà

..the smoke was so thick it set off all the fire alarmsàlolàdonÆt ya love it?

ThatÆs it from Detroità.now RUN, DONÆT WALK, to get your tickets.

User: Molly....... | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Hello all you fine Steely People!!!!!!!! I saw the Stones a few times. They were great! However, given what the tickets are going for this go round and the fact they got no new material, I'm just not that enthused about seeing them. I'd rather see some of the new bands out now. I am going to see Springsteen in November though !
Clas, ok love...... no poetry for you then. Doesn't go with the image of being the big macho sex machine I guess? lol lol Your loss.... *wink* BTW, I love Browne's new CD. It is comparable to The Pretender and Running On Empty. Which in my opinion were some of his best work. His mid-lfe crisis CD's were a bit tedious...
BB, please tell Jjeff that us Southern girls only wear underpanties on the odd occasion, and therefore LcPaul more than likely wouldn't have looking at my panties. I got that bottle of Maker's Mark.. leave the light on for me.
Jjeff, re: who's with Molly.... Anyone I feel like being with! But, You can damn betcha it won't be some kid without a clue. I graduated to men a long time ago. Keep up darlin, Rusty aka Dylexic Randy thought I was the Viking.
Wild Bill, no more passing off indecently attired women photos as mine! I'll hurt you Bill .....BEHAVE!
Fingers, Where the hell are you?
Mick, it was good talking. No worries honey, but thanks for your concern. I'll be careful. *kisses*
My Viking, I have been working nonstop since our last conversation. Talk soon?!!!This time difference is a killer. * many kisses X~x~X~x~*
Dennis, check in my little love. Your Auntie worries.
Drew, Stan checked in early this morning, still no word from Trevor or Tony. I guess the lastest bout of Air Assaults has cut off all communication? No mail from any of them. My phone is still screwy as well. I'll let you know what I find out. If you hear anything let me know. Call your Mom, she's driving me crazy.
Shellie, come down and we'll fire Dad's old shotgun. I think when you see what sort of impact it has on a target you'll see my point. Had he been shot like he claims, he'd have lost an arm at the least. Not many people can survive a shotgun blast at close range. You'll see. I don't think this guy is a very credible instructor. Anyways, your business. Bring your pistol too and we'll practice if you want. E-mail me at my Banyan address to work out a time.
Floridave, Craigster, Flippy, Arlean, Dif, Paige, Wild Bill, Jaz, Josie, Bluz, and Fezo it was very nice talking with all of you.
St AL, you are still the best looking man I've seen in a month of Sundays!
Off to my furnace. M

User: Oh yes... | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: I've tried to email Mandy, but the mail's bouncing. I was about to ask her for permission.

C

User: Is there gas in the car? | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: The cowboy mogul responds: As soon we take Iraq there will be gas in the car.

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I've been listening to Jacksons "The Naked Ride Home" the whole day. What a band he has, excellent guitar arrangements, and backup singing by Jeff Young. Jeff Young on Hammond and Wurlitzer too.

This album I can recommend for all guitar-players, Hutch, Howard, Schwinn the Escoobidoo Biker and others. Yes, even you Pat, you don't HAVE to play the guitar to fully enjoy this piece of true art.

And listen to an example of his masterfully lyrics:

Casino Nation
(Lyrics by Jackson Browne
Music by Jackson Browne, Kevin McCormick, Mark Goldenberg, Mauricio Lewak, Jeff Young)

In a weapons producing nation under Jesus
In the fabled crucible of the free world
Camera crews search for clues amid the detritus
And entertainment shapes the land
The way the hammer shapes the hand

Gleaming faces in the checkout counter at the Church of Fame
The lucky winners cheer Casino Nation
All those not on TV only have themselves to blame
And don't quite seem to understand
The way the hammer shapes the hand

Out beyond the ethernet the spectrum spreads
DC to daylight, the cowboy mogul rides
Never worry where the gold for all this glory's gonna come from
Get along dogies, it's coming out of your hides

The intentional cultivation of a criminal class
The future lit by brightly burning bridges
Justice fully clothed to hide the heart of glass
That shatters in a thousand Ruby Ridges
And everywhere the good prepare for perpetual war
And let their weapons shape the plan
The way the hammer shapes the hand

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/C

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: But Midnite Cruiser, if it's the Cosmo flowers, last summer you shot them too, that's when Caroline from New Orleans was here, she and Lena stood at the screen saying;

"Wow, Cosmo!" Am I right or just Altheimerized?

Duncan - there's nothing like British humour, I'll check out the BBC.

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Clas....for Lena? for sure!! Hope she likes it.

jjeff....thanks for the flower ID....I didn't have a clue what it was....we just have asphalt shingles on the roof here, never had a problem with moss build up but we've only been here about four years now....there are lots of trees, but normally it's not too wet for too long so maybe we won't have the moss problem?

Duncan....I'll look for The League of Gentlemen but I doubt I'll find it on the tele here in rural Virginia. Just maybe though....

Jim#....sounds like a great time! Good food and beautiful scenery, not to mention the good tunes....can't think of a better way to spend a day.

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Sent Dano the news.
Gina: the office is on way too late for me.

User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Dunc; Are you gonna tell Dano ...... you got mail to home addy

User: Gina | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: hey Duncan ... and what about The Office? It's on tonight, BBC .....

User: duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: For all fans of UK comedy

You MUST check out if you can ''The league of Gentlemen''
Sometimes it's funny... Other times its outrageous
Most of the time it's quite the most disturbing thing on television.
Sometimes genuinely downright scary.
I can guarantee you will never have seen anything quite like it EVER.

http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/

Have fun !!!! or mabey not

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: Overheard from the Marines Squadroom:

(one hour later)

-Sir, we found Private Bill!

-Yes?

-Well... the pizzas okay Sir.

-Thank heavens for that, bring me the one with garlic and pepperoni!

User: Jim# | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: We made the annual pilgrimage to Chincoteague over the weekend.

A little wisp of an island tentacled to the Virginia mainland (barely), Chincoteague is famous for sunsets, wild ponies and the few thousand people who live there, with roots dating back to the late 1600Æs. They tolerate a creeping tourist industry and work the water for fish.

Naturally, none of this is why we choose to go.

We went for the grub. Specifically, the Chincoteague Oyster Fest.

Talk about exclusivity. They sell tickets 6 months in advance for this thing and woe is you if you donÆt get there early to buy them. TheyÆll only sell 2,500. Which insures a more civil crowd of oyster sucking, bead wearing revelers, I suppose. They set up their tents, heat up the clam chowder and fry up the hush puppies. And at noon, a fire horn sounds and the oysters begin passing from bushel to steamer grates or shuckerÆs hands and the orgy is on.

Stu and I took the wives, since while neither of them has much enthusiasm for eating oysters, they will gamely stand in line with a cocktail and a plastic tray to procure them for the more enlightened.

Since the weather turned out to be more than fine, I was comfortable in shorts and a shirt and sandals. My more sensible wife had on full blown rough weather gear: bib overalls, boots and a long sleeved shirt. I looked very beach-worthy, in what might have been the last weekend of the year for such attire.

I was settling in for an afternoon feed, the grille was sizzling away at my elbow, sautTing a handful of oysters in a butter and garlic sauce (never let it be said that haute cuisine cannot be found at an oyster roast) and half listening to the live band on site. A band set up some hundred yards away.

You know that feeling when you hear something musically oriented that you havenÆt heard in a while, something rare or wonderful that captures your ear? Maybe it comes from someone elseÆs car radio when youÆre sitting in a traffic jam, or from an upstairs window as you pass by. And all you want to do is yell ôTurn it up!ö or something equally eloquent. I was sitting in my oyster haze and heard the opening bars of a Steely Dan song, and like radar in a high wind, I began to slowly turn.

I think I actually poked Amy. ôHey, I hear Steely Dan music!ö My wife is used to this, and the only thing preventing me from seeing her eyes roll up were the sunglasses she had on at the time. ôUh . . watch the oysters, will you? I gotta go.ö

Sprinting through a crowd of 2,500 people with a full beer while wearing sandals is no small task.

About half way there, I zoomed past Stu coming the opposite way. ôTheyÆre playing Steely Dan!ö, he said. ôI was just coming to get you!ö Like my wife, he knows my quirks, although he not only tolerates them but seems to take great delight in encouraging them as well. It is a source of entertainment for the big guy. He wasn't slow about following me in.

And I doubt that I disappointed him. I screeched to a halt right in front of the bandsÆ 8 foot high speaker and got my groove on. Which, when youÆre 40+ years old, consists of planting two heels firmly into the earth and rotating posterior and head in some sort of rhythmic agreement. They were playing ôPretzel Logicö, a difficult cover song for any band, but they were doing it well. Oh yeah. They did the long version, with many added riffs and solos.

I was in my own little world, the Dan fan who happened to find treasure in an unlikely place. And I must have looked a little out of touch, there were maybe a hundred people sitting around with glazed, oyster induced expressions, wondering for all the world why the guy with the beer gut was having so much fun. It was, after all, pretty early in the day. Which is probably why they picked Pretzel Logic, it is a song for the purist as opposed to the masses. Not something you play for the Lambada crowd.

I happened to catch the keyboardistÆs eye, he had the band under his throttle and was into the song just as keenly as I was. Seeing as how I was the ONLY member of the audience who was totally immersed in what was being played, he gave me a grin and threw in an extra run on the keys, a musical tip of the hat, smiling at the shared vibe that we both felt. The band was smokinÆ, the sax player did a solo that just added to the tight layers of music coming from a complex song rife with twists and turns. And I sang along, even on the added parts (ôHey, theyÆre doing the Plush version from the obscure DVD! Right on!ö).

They finished with a classic flourish, the keyboardist standing, the lead guitar wailing, and the crowd went wild, the crowd being me. ôWhoooo! Whoo Hoo! Yeah!ö There might have been three other people with enough appreciation to clap a little bit, but it was awfully scattered. One of those ôMy pants are down and I have to run out to water the shrubsö moments.

Ah well. We all have our fun, donÆt we?

Later on in the day, when the crowd was full of oysters and no small amount of intoxicants, I was just one of a thousand people expressing love for the band and music in general as they hooted their way through the best of songs, the best of times. Amy and I danced and shimmied and jived in the midst of a mass crowd, and it was great and all, but it wasnÆt quite the same.

I mean, itÆs different when youÆre an audience of one.

Check out the band in question at the link box.

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: MC and Shirl: Nice pics. The flower is called Cosmos. I think it's in the aster family. da da da da...click, click. The Aster fa mi ly. BTW what do you have for roofing? I'm thinking, with trees that close you must be getting a moss buildup. Either your changing your ashphalts every 5 years or you've got sheet metal over thick plank, which would be ideal.

Tones: Snakehips was planning on seeing the Stones on the 12th so we may hear something hopefully. I was planning on the 18th, but the guy I was going with forgot that this weekend is our( Canada) Thanksgiving. His second income? Turkey farmer. Right about now he's up to his elbows in free-range entrails. Actually he's taken today off but the slaughter continues until every last one is bagged and froze. And I couldn't find any else willing to cough up 1000 to fly to TO for a few days.
I do hope Snakey comes through.

on de left 'and side.

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: The New New One

Son of the New One

The New and Improved New One

The New One Rides Again

User: t | Month: 9 | Day: 14

Message: No problem Aus. And I agree with you about Mastellotto's playing on ConstruKction of Light... I didn't even know Bruford wasn't on it until I read the liner notes... Pretty impressive.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: I am the Lucky Dog or what? The mail came with "October Road" and "The Naked Ride Home" this monday morning.

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Mid Cruise - great pics, I am saving the flower for my wife, she comes in to the office this afternoon. OK?

¦ - Ha! Pompes wearing my old Confirmation clothes.

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Audi and Out/ Papa Booster, Boom Town

User: Aussie | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Tones: Faboo colour sir. One thousand thank yous for your selfless public service (I'm sure besides me, the likes of Beemer and Worm Tom would appreciate your colour report as well). The insanely hectic rat race has prevented me from forking my dollars over to the NYU students working at the Mega Virgin Atlantic store here in Union Square.....but soon enough my friend, soon enough.

I too miss Mr. Bruford and Mr. Levin on the Crim team....I seriously think Mr. Mastellotto has progressed into a world class heavy weight as is evidensed by the last Crim effort.....in fact, I can confess to you that at times he came across very much like Bruford on some tracks. Of course, Trey Gunn's mastery of the Warr guitar makes you forget about Tony Levin pronto-pronto.

Thanks again Tones.

Aus

User: tones | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: jjeff - Fallout? You want fallout? You guys were supposed to call me when you started passing the dutchie... Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan... Hey, tell Mssrs. Becker and Fagen I'll be right in. I... uh... left my "books" in the car. Again. Thanks...

Aus - Finally spun the new Krim. 1st take - I like it. The first track could be called "Korn Crimson": very contemporary ala new metal sounding heavy guitar riffage; had to listen close to find Uncle Bob. Interesting effects on Belew's vocal's. The new, new version of Lark's Tongue in Aspic was appropriately bracing. I realised what I liked so much about VroomVroom is the sound of them basically jamming live in the studio, which is unique for them. I like hearing the ideas bounce between the players as they come up for a change, instead of the afterthoughts of overdubs. Of course the trade off is a small lack of the usual focus and precision. There's an interesting instrumental that sounds like gamelan percussion, and after a minute or so I realized it was Fripp and Belew processing their guitars. I love the way they change their attack to fit the instuments they're emulating, like when Belew plays a "piano" solo, or when he or Fripp plays "mellotron". Way cool. I still miss Bruford and Levin though; rhythmically the grooves just aren't as interesting as they used to be. But then, I had the same problem with Yes when Bruford left them. I'm really trying hard not to "alan white" Mastelloto, and to be fair he does a decent job. But how do you follow what Bruford brought to that band for 25+ years? Anyway, to sum up this mess of colour: I can take or leave the "korn"-esque riffs of the opener, but rest of the disc sounds enough like good ol' new Crim for me. There's enough going on that it seems longer than 30+ minutes...

Aja - Looks like everything happens for a reason: ends up I had to work all weekend anyway. Our first annual sale unfortuntely coincided with a missing shipment and our owner's family emergency, so I've been chained here all weekend. We'll have to try it again soon. Hope you're doing well.

Hey, anybody see the Stones on this recent tour? How 'bout some colour!

Possible titles for the "new one":

Nature Strikes Back

Fall of '02

When We're Good and Ready

More Hot Licks, Less Rhetoric

Hey, We're Gettin' Pretty Good At This

Eat Your Heart Out Eminem

Wasn't This Supposed to be an Open Bar?

The Return of the Grammy Winnin', Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame Inducted, Doctors of Sublime Jazz/Funk and their Bare Mid-driff Chorus

The New One

Not As Good As the Last One

The Steely Dan Show (not at all influenced by "The Eminem Show")

piece

t

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: jjeff: We were the bored guys throwing spitballs in the back of the class duing 9th grade...How did you know?

User: Dano | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: jjeff and all the Roxy fans , The wifey went to see him last night and said he was as good as ever and did a lot of old stuff etc etc , still looks well and has a great voice.And also was reading today he may get a lifetime achievment for his work at the Brits?? That lady aint got no taste?? She still cant get into Steely , so D.i.v.o.r.c.e. by the Big Yin is on the stereo at the minute.

Viking , All of a sudden Portugal looks a lot closer for the summer holidays?? Iceland at Hampden next!!Roll on March , what a difference a day makes yahooooooooooooooo.

Dunc , Are we still getting sorted for Fingers do or has it gone tits up!!

Have a dooser of a night guys.
Regards
Dano.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: C: Looks good. My son wants to know where Pompe got the zip-up shirt/sweater...the woman on the right looks amazed...

Ole: Next One pool?

angel: 01/02/03

¦: 05/04/03 OR 06/07/08

Whatever: 01/10/11

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas....it all looks good now....I like the new artwork too....I also use Dreamweaver and really like the program, you just have to clean up the html (where it leaves the location of the file on your harddrive in the code) before you upload it....looks like you've got it covered now though....nice job there.

a couple of new photos from yesterday....first one from my wife, of our house, after she played with the image in photoshop:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/ourhousewallpaper1.jpg

and yet another wildflower I took from our walk yesterday....it was at the end of a driveway....with my usual photoshop treatment for flowers:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/OctoberWildflower.jpg

time to do a little something more productive now....later folks.

MC

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Overheard from the Marines Squadroom:

-Where the hell is Private Bill? He went for pizzas two hours ago.

-Sir, I fear the worst.

-Why is that son?

-He took the bike.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: GUess who? | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: Clas...Almost doesn't count.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 13

Message: ¦ - no one is safe, that's right. Last night when I was walking home from my office, I almost got hit by a car.

Mid Cruise - damn, it's all about inserting the pics from the right source, right? I am using Dreamweaver. And hey, I changed my mind, I am using two of Princess Mandys pics. Having them at the frontdoor.

Would you be kind and check out and see if I got it right this time?

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/galleri/

User: ¦ - usual | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: 1972

User: ¦ - playing in Pittsburgh | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: No one is safe in the New World DISorder, not even you Clas...

n the Tropical Mile:

Bali

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/homepage/news/page.cfm?objectid=12278396&method=sm_full&siteid=81959

or in your own Backyard:

Finland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2322275.stm

400 years of neutrality won't help - what, you think this is Switzerland and you are the Van Traap family spinning over the border, singing Rogers and Hammerstein tunes?

I'm glad Jimmy Carter received the Nobel Peace Prize...a better ex-President there has not been since John Quincy Adams... It's too bad that the award has the worth of a milk cap on a string after Arafat won...what was that for... the 1976 Munich Games??

Where the Fuck is the Next One?

User: Bill | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Clas,

Regarding Post# 2192... (Don't ask me why I'm even bothering to
respond to you...boredom I guess)

"They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die"

Uhh... I spent 6 years in the U.S. military Mr.Swede. I refer to
you as "Mr.Swede" because that's what you are, a Swede, NOT an
American. I know that this bothers you very much because judging
from your language one can easily deduce that you secretly wish
you were one of us, but of course you're not. You seem to know
more about the United States than you even know about your own
country.

Tell me Clas...
Are you ashamed of Sweden?

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Hehehe-well, we actually won for once so it makes a change - not that i really care to be honest. How did England do? Never checked, strangely enough.................

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Folied again: quoting Robert Byrd, the Grand Wizard of the Filibuster & the KKK is never a good idea.

If you READ my post, both Clinton and Bush administrations share some responsiblity, but the feeble investigation into OKC was initially in the hands of Freen, Reno, and Clinton...

UBL created himself - although he did take advantage of assistance... I noticed grain/food was used as one example - certainly the components when festered of garbage - a potent bioweapon. The antrhax story is actually from the far right wing fringe. UBL, Al Qaeda and Iraq recuited some fringe elements in the 90s through 2001...while Caspar Weinburger (Sec. of State at the time) has denied much of those stories, there is truth, as I've mentioned before concisely, that we sought a balance of power from 1979-1989 between Iraq and Iran to prevent the Soviets from taking advantage of a power vacuum and capturing a warm water port...night by night - ever seen Starsky & Hutch?

There is some to metaphysical moral bakruptcy in balance of power and mutually assured destruction...the Cold War is the ultimate example...a summer smoker underground...

Since now a critical mass of data from independent sources link Iraq and Al Qaeda in OKC and 9/11, it is evident that the Gulf War never really stopped. in fact, we bombed iraq every day between 1992-2000, consistent with that model (I have unimpeachable personal sources there)...

Anything new on the ODP?

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Clas....I was checking out the link to your gallery and in the "two against nature and others" section, several of the photos won't load....looking at the html, it looks like some artifacts from Front Page or whatever html editor you're using....just thought you might want to know....and you're right, I missed the joke the first time around.

User: Tin Foil Hat to Flat | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: re: post 2190

Mu,
It's always interesting that you pick up on the theories that try to make Clinton look bad. As I recall, the GOP controlled the congress during the last 6 years of Clintons terms and therefore the power to subpoena. Maybe if they weren't so busy trying to impeach him, they would have had a little more time to follow up on leads. There is more of a connection betwen McVeigh's bombing and Rush Limbaugh that with UBL.

Who said; "Government is not the answer, Government is the problem? Oh yeah, it was Ronald Raygun. Satements like that led to the militia upswing of the 90's and eventually the OKC bombing. It would be nice to question McVeigh about any connection but ...oh yeah, we had to hurry up and kill him. Damn right wingers and their blood lust. Put some of your time into the details of the Reagan and Bush I build up of Saddam and UBL and leave the tin foil alone.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html

http://www.msnbc.com/news/807688.asp?cp1=1

Finally a quote from one of your heros, the cheerleader from Mississippi;

Trent Lott Questioned by the Observer, London England, January 2001

Do you think it is fair that President Clinton is being accused of not preventing the attack on the USS Cole?

LOTT: Well, in reality that is the way it is in America and it is what makes us a great nation. True leaders must handle difficult situations or have competent people who handle those situations. Sources did give information of a general nature to the Administration and it is obvious that an attack still occured. This is a more 'impeachable' offense than what was brought before the Congress. Fortunately, George Bush will in just a few days become our President. I can assure you that such situations will not be mishandled by his Administration. However general the information might be, the President-elect will act with authority to prevent such tragedies.

If I recall, George II had a solid 8 months prior to 9/11 and did nothing. He did have a month lon vacation during August however. According to the cheerleader, we should start the impeachement proceedings now. Yipee!!

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: 2-0 against iceland....well done!!!!!
you must feel great 2 nite

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: 2-0 away the boysssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Oh yeah Clas,#1885 got the biggest laugh in a weeks worth of stuff. Crude but that's..........OK. Happy birthday.

User: jjeff---What!!! No fallout? | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Glad no one is too out of joint over last night's blurb.

I wish I had tomorrow off for the annual pumpkin regatta in Windsor,N.S. They hollow out these huge veggies and use them as boats to traverse across a lake dressed in strange clothing. I've never been, just seen pics.

Rusty: Good sport. Ask your mom's what's up with the bombing in Helsinki yesterday? I thought the Fins were such passive people. Is no place safe?( rhetorical)

Jimbo: As much as I like Tom Petty don't you find his stuff kinda watered down lately? Maybe it's just the singles. Southern accents is the last album I bought.

Mu: Your border comment got me thinking, does the U.S. only allow people in via Mexico and Canada? Apreciate the political commentary. It's one of the few ways I keep up. The latest is that Iraq has agreed to U.N. inspection in 8 of the 10 private palaces, but did you know that any 1 of those "palaces" covers 40,000 acres???

Dano:Love songs. Good idea.I was gonna do a funny but W1P and Jim# beat me to it. Of the ones mentioned I like Miz Ducky's pick of The Who-Love Ain't for Keepin' and lcpauls pick Macy gray- I Try. I think someone mentioned Al Green- Lets' Stay Together. How about Roxy Music-Avalon( pretty well the whole album).

Hutch: Trigger Happy? Never heard of it. Thanks for the tip.

Two guys were out hunting and doing a fair bit of walking when one clutches his chest and falls down. The other guy checks the fallen one out and sees that the guy isn't breathing so he dials 911. The operator answers saying,"911. How can I help you?". The guy franticly explains his situation ending with," What do I do?!?". The operator says," Well, first you should make sure he's dead". There follows a long silence. Then a shot rings out. The guy comes back on the phone and says,"OK, now what?"

'til next time, be cool

User: Clas @ Work | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Interesting and true words from Robert Fisk, oct 9 2002:

Each day now, someone says something even more incredible û even more unimaginable û about President Bush's obsession with war. Yesterday, George Bush was himself telling an audience in Cincinnati about "nuclear holy warriors". Forget for a moment that we still can't prove Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons. Forget that the latest Bush speech was just a re-hash of all the "ifs" and "mays" and "coulds" in Tony Blair's flimsy 16 pages of allegations in his historically dishonest "dossier". Forget that if Osama bin Laden ever acquired a nuclear weapon, he'd probably use it first on Saddam. No. We've got to fight "nuclear holy warriors". That's what we have to do to justify the whole charade through which we are being taken now by the White House, by Downing Street, by all the decaying "experts" on terrorism and, alas, far too many journalists.

Forget the 14 Palestinians, including the 12-year-old child, killed by Israel a few hours before Mr Bush spoke, forget that when his aircraft killed nine Palestinian children in July, along with one militant, the Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon û a "man of peace" in Mr Bush's words û described the slaughter as "a great success". Israel is on our side.

Remember to use the word "terror". Use it about Saddam Hussein, use it about Osama bin Laden, use it about Yasser Arafat, use it about anyone who opposes Israel or America. Bush used it in his speech yesterday, 30 times in half an hour û that's one "terrorism" a minute.

But now let's list exactly what we really must forget if we are to support this madness. Most important of all, we absolutely must forget that President Ronald Reagan dispatched a special envoy to meet Saddam Hussein in December 1983. It's essential to forget this for three reasons. Firstly, because the awful Saddam was already using gas against the Iranians û which is one of the reasons we are now supposed to go to war with him.

Secondly, because the envoy was sent to Iraq to arrange the re-opening of the US embassy û in order to secure better trade and economic relations with the Butcher of Baghdad. Thirdly, because the envoy was û wait for it û Donald Rumsfeld. Now you might think it strange that Mr Rumsfeld, in the course of one of his folksy press conferences, hasn't chatted to us about this interesting tit-bit. You might think he would have wished to enlighten us about the evil nature of the criminal with whom he so warmly shook hands. But no.

Strangely, Mr Rumsfeld is silent about this. As he is about his subsequent and equally friendly meeting with Tariq Aziz û which just happened to take place on the day in March, 1984, that the UN released its damning report on Saddam's use of poison gas against Iran. The American media are silent about this too, of course. Because we must forget.

We must forget, too, that in 1988, as Saddam destroyed the people of Halabja with gas, along with tens of thousands of other Kurds û when he "used gas against his own people" in the words of Messrs Bush/Cheney/Blair/Cook/Straw et al ûPresident Bush senior provided him with $500m in US government subsidies to buy American farm products. We must forget that in the following year, after Saddam's genocide was complete, President Bush senior doubled this subsidy to $1bn, along with germ seed for anthrax, helicopters, and the notorious "dual-use" material that could be used for chemical and biological weapons.

And when President Bush junior promises the Iraqi people "an era of new hope" and democracy after the destruction of Saddam û as he did last night û we must forget how the Americans promised Pakistan and Afghanistan a new era of hope after the defeat of the Soviet army in 1980 û and did nothing.

We must forget how President Bush senior urged the Iraqis to rise up against Saddam in 1991 and û when they obeyed û did nothing. We must forget how America promised a new era of hope to Somalia in 1993 and then, after "Black Hawk Down", abandoned the country.

We must forget how President Bush junior promised to "stand by" Afghanistan before he began his bombings last year û and has left it now an economic shambles of drug barons, warlords, anarchy and fear. He boasted yesterday that the people of Afghanistan have been "liberated" û this after he has failed to catch bin Laden, failed to catch Mullah Omar, and while his troops are coming under daily attack. We must forget, as we listen to the need to reinsert arms inspectors, that the CIA covertly used UN weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq.

And of course, we must forget about oil. Indeed, oil is the one commodity û and one of the few things which George Bush junior knows something about, along with his ex-oil cronies Cheney and Rice and countless others in the administration û which is never mentioned.

In all of Bush's 30 minutes of anti-Iraq war talk yesterday û pleasantly leavened with just two minutes of how "I hope this will not require military action" û there wasn't a single reference to the fact that Iraq may hold oil reserves larger than those of Saudi Arabia, that American oil companies stand to gain billions of dollars in the event of a US invasion, that, once out of power, Bush and his friends could become multi-billionaires on the spoils of this war. We must ignore all this before we go to war. We must forget.

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: And now we are waiting for doc Mu pasting the Laws of Copyright on The Internet.

It's going to be a long day.

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: For example, I didn't ask for permission for this cool backstage-picture:

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/galleri/

Look under "Two Against Nature and Others"

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: Mid Cruiser - you didn't get the joke, I know, it's not easy when it comes to me.

I wouldn't dream of using Princess Mandy's pictures.

And if I would, I don't think permission is needed, this is the internet, right? As far as copyright... you know how easy it is to remove those Photographer¬ in Photoshop.

User: Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: jjeff: Love the observation, if you roll 'em yourself you have rollers rights and you'll never have to smoke a bum joint again...I think me and the viking have resolved our differences though, so much so I'll even cheer on my mothers homeland today against finland. (Its not like my boys will need any extra support).
I'm off to get some new headphones for my computer or if I see a cheap hands free set I'll buy that.
Can anyone confirm a sighting off Walter Becker at a computer fair at Kettering?
I swear I saw him but I was holding a computer in my hand so I couldn't stop him to shake his hand. I've wondered what it would be like to meet one of my heroes, I'd probably waffle like a baffon and they tell me to go and fornicate with myself. So its probably just as well I never spoke to the person who looked like WB.

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: and a happy Saturday morning to you all

jjeff....thanks for the hardest laugh of the day goes to you....I thought I was going to spray my monitor as I was reading your observations from last night.

Clas....a belated Happy Birthday wish for you....those photos Amanda Parks took on the last tour really are great....I got to meet and talk with her some in Raleigh when we went to the concert and she's a great kid and a good photographer....I wonder if you need to ask her for permission to use her images though?

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: O my head - whats the rhyme about beer & wine again? I've clean forgotten it.

User: Duncan | Month: 9 | Day: 12

Message: JJ: you've made me smile today, A great picture.

My poem from last night.

I've eaten too much tea
can't get comfy.

User: C @ Work | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: Thanks everybody for the Happy Birthday wishes.

---

Everytime I read/scroll over Bill's or Mu's posts these lines comes to mind:

They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die

---

Aussie - you're welcome

And to whom it may concern:

You're messing with my poem, Soccers & Soakers. Don't do that. It's like if someone painted a moustache on Mona Lisa.

And those Mandy Parks concert photos, great stuff, gonna use some of them on my Steely Dan Gallery front door.

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: cspan

User: ¦ - by way of span.org | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: 
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon.asp?Page=\Pentagon\archive\200210\PEN20021011a.html
Specter Wants OKC Bombing-Iraqi Connection Probe
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
October 11, 2002

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - The senior senator from Pennsylvania said Thursday that he will seek an investigation into alleged ties between the two Americans convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing, members of Islamist terrorist groups, and the Iraqi military.
"We will pursue it," said Sen. Arlen Specter, after hearing a one-hour presentation from former Oklahoma City television reporter Jayna Davis on the information she uncovered in a multi-year investigation.
"We will send it over to the FBI and we will continue to look at it," Specter told Davis during an appearance on the Michael Smerconish talk show broadcast on "1210 The Big Talker," WPHT radio in Philadelphia, live from Specter's office.
"This is a matter which warrants an inquiry, so we will do it," the senator concluded.
Davis presented Specter with 22 sworn affidavits from Oklahoma residents who have identified eight Middle Eastern men, allegedly including several former Iraqi soldiers, who the witnesses claim collaborated with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in the bombing plot. McVeigh has been executed for his role in the attack, Nichols is in prison.
One of the alleged former Iraqi soldiers is Hussain Al-Hussaini. Retired Col. Patrick Lang, the former chief of human intelligence for the Defense Investigative Agency, identified a tattoo on Hussaini's shoulder as indicative of having served in Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard.
"Seven of those witnesses place Hussain Al-Hussaini in the company of Timothy McVeigh, riding in the Ryder truck, the morning of the bombing, stepping out of that truck at ground zero, directly in front of the federal building moments before the massive fertilizer bomb exploded and speeding away from downtown in a brown Chevrolet pickup that matched the FBI's all points bulletin for foreign suspects that morning," Davis told Specter.
She believes, based on her investigation, that Hussaini is the mysterious "John Doe Number Two" authorities sought for more than two weeks after the bombing on April 19, 1995. The witnesses she interviewed also claim to have seen Hussaini speeding away from the Murrah Federal Building after the bombing in a brown Chevrolet truck, identical to the one for which the FBI issued an all points bulletin. That all points bulletin was withdrawn shortly after McVeigh's arrest.
Hussaini filed a libel suit against Davis' employer in 1999 for broadcasting reports based on her investigation. The suit was dismissed, and the court found the facts in Davis' reports to be "undisputed," including the evidence allegedly tying Hussaini to McVeigh and discrediting Hussaini's alibi for April 19, 1995.
Davis also believes that Terry Nichols was the indirect link between Iraq, the Oklahoma City bombing, and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network.
"Terry Nichols received his bomb-making expertise from Iraqi intelligence based in the Philippines," Davis said.
According to eyewitness accounts she obtained, Nichols met with Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing "in the early 1990s on the island of Mindanao ... to discuss acquisition of firearms and bomb making."
Davis claimed that she tried to surrender the 22 witness statements and corroborating documentation she uncovered to the FBI in 1997, but requested that agents sign a notarized receipt for the evidence. She said, after consulting with "the legal department," they refused to accept the documents.
"My attorney spoke to that DOJ attorney [involved in the prosecution of Nichols] and was told they didn't want any more documents for discovery that they would be required to remit to the defense teams," Davis said. "From there, I have been flatly refused."
Specter's office wrote the FBI Oct. 4 requesting information about why Davis' evidence was not accepted by the FBI. A staff member informed him during the presentation that the Department of Justice is "still drafting a written response" to Specter's request.
Specter noted that the U.S. Senate was debating the resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq while the presentation was in progress.
"If there was a provable connection between Iraq and the Oklahoma City bombing, that kind of terrorism, that would be a very big point in support of using force," he said. "If there is a provable connection between al Qaeda and the Oklahoma City bombing and Iraq, or if there is a connection provable between al Qaeda and Iraq, that would be a matter of enormous importance."
After completing her presentation to Specter, Davis told CNSNews.com, "I feel much better."
She added that she would "really feel better" when the evidence had been examined and the remainder of the individuals her investigation allegedly shows were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing were brought to justice.
Smerconish told Specter and his listeners that he believed the presentation had accomplished its goal.
"We want the assurance that somebody within the government who has the expertise in analyzing these types of security matters has given her the opportunity that you've afforded her today to sit and to listen and to look at the material," he told Specter. "We want to know that the government has taken Jayna Davis seriously, evaluated her work product, and made some kind of a determination."

User: ¦ - connect these dots | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: chilling pre 9/11 report:

http://www.ileagles.net/binladen.htm

post 9/11 report from completely different type of source:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217

Independent reports cited here before by yo¦rs tr¦ly places Terry Nichols at Al Qaeda training camps in the Phillipines, learning to make fertilizer/diesel bombs...

Arlen Spector's commiitee is now finally looking into the connection between Iraq, Al Qaeda, and The OKC bombing...

Why did the Clinton administration stall or refuse to investigate...why has Bush dragged their feet? JFK was killed by a lone gunmen, but it takes a terrorist village to commit an act like OKC. For those who believe that McViegh was a crazed lunatic on his own, I've got a bridge spanning the East River to sell you...

User: jjeff | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: A cool autumn evening just sitting with the Brits in the bleachers at Steely Dan memorial playground, cooling my crotch with a can. Watchin' that regular, almost clockwork, adolescent sex show playing out by the swings called who's with Molly. Hey it's entertaining and who can say honestly that they haven't gone through that phase. You gotta hand it to 'er, she knows how to manipulate. Right now Rusty and Viking are doin' the do or diss with "I'm 22" "Yeah, well I'm 30 so..".
At the end of the plank sits Pat raving to Aja and Ole about how he's heard this new song only he's heard it before but it's different. I holler over," You're freakin', man. Quit bogin' it and pass it on". The C&C missile goes through the ranks of the 3 Steve's, 2 Jims, and Angel before Bigmouth Bill sucks the shit out of it and we're left with a junk of brown paper you couldn't pass for confetti.
Down a few rows Mu's holding camp with the 3SD percentiles, you know, the ones who don't have to study:Father William, Tones( even though he rejects the social class he was born to) and others. Cultivating wit.
Whoah!! What's that sound? Did Lp put some clothespins on her spokes? No, it's Midnite coming up the road with his new bike, breezin' through scarin the foreign exchange students, pubertal Clas who can only think of sex, Gina who's relentlessly speaking for all oppressed people, and lcpaul who just can't keep his eyes off Molly or more specific her panties.
The bell rings with a clarity only a gifted musician can conjure. It's Mr. Becker announcing the break is over and time to return to contankerous Mr. Fagen's class. Not to fear. The same scenario happens every day
and will continue as long as California remains in one piece.

The author wishes to states that his work was brought about from reading a weeks worth of posts and that no offence was meant. If he has let anyone out it was not deliberate and was the result of on the fly trying to wrap up his original idea without being too long winded. Unfortunately this apology has only worsened the problem. Sorry. And Good Night.

User: hoops | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: Oh, yeah, why I originally cameùsomeone told me about a post. To clarify:

hoops RIP

Not sure what their post means.

Back to our office's bad poetry pool (we really have one.)

h

User: hoops & C. Thomas Parrott | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: Soccer and Soakers

red ecoterrorism and infra structure outline the stolid forms of
manikins and ratable values inflated by their pride
I am leaving it all for other heroes
like a guiltridden knight on a forlorn quest
for because
the japanese cedars and dwelling places long for haiku's
far from the dutiable cobweb the geometry of arachnids
now spiders in mTtiers pray with four sets of prayers
lonesome hawkweeds with stiffening stamens with holstered pistils
flying blind crying "Hey Rocky!"
saying "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat"
please come back like a typewriter carriage
we need your toner cartridge because it's yours
we can't stand another day or a tomorrow
without/except
your toner cartridge outlining my designs

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: Paging Dr Mu. Dr. Mu, please report to StAlphonzo's office.

Lost your email address AGAIN. Please respond to above address. Thanks!

User: Hutch | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: Good grief Steve, calm down. You're gonna burst a blood vessel.

User: blue eyed bloke | Month: 9 | Day: 11

Message: 

huh.......!

L symbol******** he he

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: Jason, Honey I'm not going anywhere. I suppose you can post me here if ya like...Did you get my last mail?
Aja, good......I'll try heeding your advice.
umm to my china plate.........You Wish !!!!!!!

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: RIP = Hoops

User: Trolly | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: Take WEber with you PLEASE

User: ¦ - retiring at 71, 72, 73, 74, 75... | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: fezo: EVERYTHING went up through July 2000...then the Dan left the country and the rest is history...

User:  | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: jason = Molly

User: WEber | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: Bye Molly.

User: RIP | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: I think it was rock critic Robert Christgau who said "Why is it always the John Lennons of the world that get shot and not the Swedish Meatheads?"

Drop dead already, polser.

RC

User: jason | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: Molly is gone now? I do have an e-mail address for her, but... I've been asked not to defend her further, I guess.... May I say that the earlier Greek Chorus bit was painfully uninteresting?

I'm getting a picture in my head of someone spending yet another night giggling and drinking in front of the computer... "There, GOT ya!! Now, EVERYBODY knows that this or that person or album blows, because I said so!!"

User: Rusty | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: Midnite Cruiser: If you really like your british comedies then in my humble opinion two of the best comedies in recent years must surely be The Office and Pheonix Nights. I'm not to sure how good your chances are of finding these programmes but they are real gems. I especially like Pheonix Nights its so well written and the acting is superb. I personally can't wait for the next series and this weekend I've got to go and buy the first series on DVD.
Another gem in my opinion has to be Ali G. When he was originally on a programme called The eleven o'clock show he produced some of the finest comical interviews recorded. All of these were put on to a video intitled Ali G, innit. He also made a movie which wasn't his greatest work, I personally believe that the character has had its day and hope that Sacha Baron Cohen isn't just a one card trick.
I just hope that television executives realise that we are all fed up with the trash the expect us to watch. BBC 1 and ITV the to major terrestrial television channels here are so pathetically poor its unbelieveable. I never thought I would say this but thank the heavens for satelite television.

User: Aja.........another loooooong day | Month: 9 | Day: 10

Message: I can't believe I omitted the ultimate love song: "Moondance", by Van Morrison. (It really has been a long week.....)

Well it's a marvelous night for a moondance
With the stars up above in your eyes
Fantabulous night to make romance
'Neath the cover of October skies

*sigh* that's gorgeous!

Molly-we're cool, no worries. My advice to you, however, is don't take this place, or what anyone writes, so seriously! This is really just a bar to hang out in. If a fistfight starts, I just leave until things cool down, then go back to my regular stool.

On vacation for the next 4 days-if I can get to the end of today, that is!!!

Aja

User: blue eyed china plate | Month: 9 | Day: 10