SIS Archives -- October 1999

David & other artists ~ There's some updated information on the compilation page...we're extending the deadline until 11/30 to give those who need it a bit more time. Don't worry about converting to mp3, David - a CD single is sufficient. If I missed anyone on either list, please let me know.

Thanks,

JW

and you guys have the go-ahead to drop any one-liners on 'I need HELP!'

Track #5 on the New One, that woman with the mic HAS to be 'retha Franklin, I've seen that picture before. And that other, visible woman, a 'Hey Nineteen' for the Lilith generation?

How great would it be if they bit the bullet and included 'Second Arrangement?' I've never heard a full version of the song, just snippets, even though it includes one of my favorite lines in history: "I've got my life and laundry in a Gladstone bag." If anyone has that on mp3, I need HELP!

ok, maybe she's Dusty Springfield

MC - gorgeous.

Gotta love a round-eyed cat. They seem to hold on to "kitten" forever...

THE chatter here about Virginia Tech`s football team needs responded too. A. Yes they have a truly outstanding Defense and that Moore is a bonafide All - American and that Super fresman QB Vick is getting better every game B. That their schedule is a fuckin joke and they should be thrilled to the Hills to be ranked 3RD in the Country. The performance against Pitt did very little here to impress us.

whats up with that ? I see the songlist has 2 NEXT to it, Does that mean that its PART 2 or an extended jam ? I would like to read the GB`s critically acclaimed review. MCHARL6651@ aol.com

With all the talk of pets we've had here lately I just couldn't pass up a chance to brag on one of my boys! I just picked the magazine up last night and just found out a few days ago that he was going to be on the cover of the Nov/Dec issue of I Love Cats Magazine. This is the Hoot Monster. He's not a purebred Ragdoll but other than the green eyes you wouldn't know it. He now lives with his mother, my ex, in a loving home along with Amanda, Buddy and Smokey. Hat's off to you Hoot, you made the big time!!

Check him out at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6974/HootMag.jpg

a very proud MC

Where can I obtain a copy of the Katy outtakes??? CD preferred over cassette but I'll take anything I can get!

Verbal is Kaiser Soze....great flick!!!

JWMalibu- Wow, Nov 15 ! If that is our time frame I guess the best thing I can do is to burn you a CD with one of the songs from my new CD. I'm the writer and the publisher (BMI)
I hope that is satisfactory... my schedule won't allow production of a fresh tune. Keep me posted...David

P.S. do you want .wav or .mp3 ?

great summation of Katy outtakes !

Galloping - Your story was actually the work of Kaiser Sozee..and don't worry, if he wants to find you he will

Ole: Yeah, I'm pretty attached to my date. I figure that there are 2 basic ways of determining a date: 1) logic... example, predict a tour start-date and add an appropriate amount of time prior to said date to accomodate distribution, promotion, air-play, etc.; and 2) illogic... kharma, numerology, etc.

If your method of choice is #1 then, hey, what's the big deal about adding or subtracting a day to accomodate somebody else having beat you to the day? There are many reasons for a one-day-delay in the music industry... i.e. the CD press broke down and they don't have a spare part in the building... whatever...

If your method of choice is #2 then you can't just pick a date and then add or subtract from it... you pick a date and if somebody beat you to it then you realize there may be some credibility in your pick!!! Prizes be damned! You are now a member of an exclusive club.

Fezo - sorry, can't make it. But thanks anyway.

I was downtown today, should buy C S N & Y's latest. Sold out. Came home with "The Best Of Cristopher Cross" and "The Pretender".

Does that make sense to you?

A new Katy Lied Outtakes going around. Looks like Black Cos and I Git the News were older songs than I appreciated.

Throw back the little ones dept: Look for 2nd A on the new one ("Gaslight" tile with silouette in background)???

Katy Outtakes

1. Black Friday
2. Black Friday (2)
3. Bad Sneakers
4. Rose Darling
5. Rose Darling (2)
6. Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More
7. Daddy Don't Live in That New York City No More (2)
8. Doctor Wu
9. Doctor Wu (2)
10. Everyone's Gone to the Movies
11. Your Gold Teeth II
12. Your Gold Teeth II (2)
13. Chain Lightning (with the mythical "forty years later" line)
14. Chain Lightning (2)
15. Any World (same version as the Catalyst Demos)
16. Throw Back The Little Ones
17. Throw Back The Little Ones
18. Mister Sam
19. Untitled Instrumental
20. Black Cow
21. Black Cow (2)
22. I Got the News (radically different version - almost a different song)

what you lookin at?

wait, hmm, Bodacious Cowgirl, I think that's just what I needed!

wait, no, nevermind

have to stay away, mono and all. Nevermind. Sorry. You're probably older anyway.

Again, made a fool of meself. Darn

Ok, off to BFF's 2nd album, and 'Aja' again.

Woody- Remember that time at Fenway Park when you asked the pitcher on the Red Soxs "what do you like better, Astroturf or grass"?.... He said "I don't know, I never smoked Astroturf!"

I'd like to add to the betting pool: 3/19/00. I will donate one tax return.
BC

Did I just read in a previous post that there are other huge Steely Dan fans in Charlottesville???!!!! What is the story with you guys? I just moved to town and I'm wondering where all the intelligent people like to go. And don't say UVA.

Not that anyone cares or anything, but I just finished "Reelin' in the Years", the biography of SD and now just the thought of this awesome band has me feeling a profound sense of excitement. What is it about the Dan that makes their music never stale? One thing I will say is that not enough people appreciate them the way they deserve. But I guess I don't have to tell you guys that... Take care!

LIVING ON ZIONIST TIME
1999 Darwin Award Nominees

The switch away from daylight savings time caused consternation
among terrorist groups this year. At precisely 5:30 Israel time
on Sunday, two coordinated car bombs exploded in different cities, killing three terrorists who were transporting the bombs. It was initially believed that the devices had been detonated prematurely by klutzy amateurs. A closer look revealed the truth behind the untimely explosions.

Three days before, Israel had made a premature switch from
daylight savings time to standard time in order to accommodate
a week of Slihot, involving pre-sunrise prayers. Palestinians
refused to "live on Zionist time." Two weeks of scheduling havoc
ensued.

The bombs had been prepared in a Palestine-controlled area, and
set on Daylight Savings time. The confused drivers had already
switched to standard time. As a result, the cars were still
en-route when the explosives detonated, delivering to the
terrorists their well-deserved demise.

CFA Cat show this weekend in Concord, NC....just north of Charlotte....all this cat speak has gotten the wife and I wanting to go ISO another one. Probably a Maine Coon or another Bi-Color Ragdoll.

MC

I once met this chick who told me she wanted to do a line of coke off of my dick. I said, sure, what the hell. Sounds hot.

It was two weeks before those razor cuts healed.

Partyyyy!

"One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus
one toke over the line.

the best part about smoking pot is not smoking it in the first place and watching your friends toke up and pleasure you with stories about how the US took the secrets of the Stealth bomber from aliens and why Sammy Hagar's new album rocks and why the assholes at State U. are assholes because they wouldn't come through with that Basketball/baseball/tennis/soccer schlorship.

Without the punctuation, just like that.

dude, is the Taco Bell still open? Who can drive?

"I crawl like a viper
through this gb page
learn new ways to smoke pot
from people half my age

So useless to ask me why
just inhale her crotch
get real high
It's so good that she's real tight
god, I hope, this paper burns right"

Don't take HER out to Taco Bell beforehand.
Sorry, I'm stoned.

Woodly

When I was in college, I would put a lit joint in a woman's vagina, she would do a few keegles, then fart. I would then inhale the gas through my nose and mouth.
What a high.
Just don't take out to Taco Bell beforehand.

Woody

Clas: Get to Charlottesville quick. Like tonight. Hornsby is doing a show to kickoff the UVa men and womens basketball season.

I hear that Boxcar Willie is doing a similar show down in Blacksburg to kickoff the Tech season

re: My story

...and to this day I'll bet you're the most popular kid in the henhouse.

FOR SALE: 1 Orange Bong, lovingly used at Syracuse University in the 80's, no need for it now that I read post below. First 2.99 takes it.

Will the soundtrack with Dan covers be released before the new Dan recording? Yes or No.

maj©

KD - At the risk of being struck-off the GB by fellow Australians, I'm glad Healy's going. He impressed me when he first started out, but then he became nothing but a champion "sledger" and was not very sporting at all. I hope Gilchrist does a better job as a sportsman, but then no doubt he'll be turned to the dark side by the rest of the sledgers before the first season is out.

One time, I blew marijuana smoke into a chick's vagina, then sucked it out. Her innards had a nice, cooling effect, far superior to that of an ordinary bong. I highly recommend this as a fun icebreaker for a first date for all you guys out there (um, and a few of you gals).

David Crosby story: His friends organised an intervention where everyone confronted him. He sat through it all then excused himself for a second to visit the can. Once inside he wouldn't come out ... all they could hear was the bubbling of the pipe.

Schwinn, yeah, I'm aware of that. Damn Ben, who IS this guy? And who is he think he's folding? And about that pianothang, aint nothing good with it, it's a mix between Elton John and Liberace.

RubyBaby - have a good LA-time, don't miss Third Street Promenade down in Sanna Monnika. Could you buy me one of those big big big sofas they sell there, you know the kind of sofa you can live a life in? With the dog, the dead cat and the wife a little at the side.

Ship it over!

the Stranger - show RubyBaby the Paul Getty-museum!

Hey, I know everything about Los Angeles, I've been there once.

FANOFDAN (or any other Aussie GBers)--

any thoughts on the retirement of Ian Healy, the star wicketkeeper?

Love Ben Folds Five, saw them live in 1993 and the sound was terrible (couldn't tell if they were any good) but the reason we Dan fans love them so much is that damn piano.

boy I love generalizing...

O,

Ok, ok. oPossums! Funny, opposable thumbs usually indicate a higher degree of intelligence. But the oPossums I know are either dumber than dirt or feigning death. Sounds like a lost work by Shakespeare...

Clas,

Where have you been? Never mind. Welcome back to the ben-fold.

Woof,

Didn't I see you at PetsMart wearing a Jack LaLane T-shirt?

Poseur Pedic,

SEMB

What's the link between Steely Dan & Ben Folds Five? Does the Five pay homage or something? Their name keeps cropping up on this board as a substitute while the Dan is on their little hiatus (19 years and counting).

Oleander,
You know, I'm still playing Haunted Heart by Eddie Higgins. It grows on you and just doesn't become tiresome.

Clas,
I will do the best I can to represent you with a big sexy kiss to Ruby Baby and then probably have to run like hell cause my wife will be there.

Ruby Baby,
We'll figure something out.

JW - What about works that are now in the public domain?

Ruby Baby,
I love the way you think, slinky cool woman in black.

Clas,
Wait your turn. But I think it's a long way off.

Edited by Julie Taraska / Billboard/ October 28, 1999, 11:00 a.m. EDT

Santana Continues 'Supernatural' Run

Santana's "Supernatural" remains one of the biggest success stories of the year as it stays in the No. 1 spot on The Billboard 200 for the second consecutive week. The Arista album moved 183,500 units, according to SoundScan.

Meanwhile, Santana's single "Smooth," featuring Rob Thomas, remains No. 1 on The Billboard Hot 100 for the third week.

Oleander ~ Regarding the Blindfold Test - yes, some of the listeners will have heard some of music on the CD...you guys will have a slight edge on those who haven't. It looks like we're getting a good number of contributors, though (which is GREAT!), and so the odds shouldn't be TOO much in anyone's favor.

Just a reminder to the CD contributors ~ original music only, no covers. The duplicator won't touch our project if we don't have clearance...

I'm also glad David Crosby made it out of his personal hell. Hopefully his new liver will last him a lifetime ~ the same goes for Phil Lesh & Dallas Taylor. Hepatitis C is the silent killer that preys upon musicians (and MANY others) ~ unfortunately, I know firsthand...

Ruby ~ I knew you knew it was Berlin! That Terri Nunn....mmmmmmmm, "she's got a touch of Tuesday Weld!" 38 and still drop-dead gorgeous...

Altamira ~ Yes, those Russian Blues are beautiful cats...and our cats never go outside unless they're supervised ~ they know 'da rules!

The "Me, Myself & Irene" soundtrack should be QUITE interesting! Looking forward to that...

Back to the grind...

Steely Dan covers? Will "Wet Side Story" be one of them?

Steely Dan Saluted For Upcoming Jim Carrey Film
Oct 27, 1999, 2:45 pm PT

Steely Dan, Ben Folds Five
The Elektra Records soundtrack to next year's Jim Carrey/Farrelly Brothers opus, Me, Myself, and Irene, is sure to have an interesting soundtrack. The catch? The album will consist of several Steely Dan covers (around five or six, according to a source). Signed on so far is Ben Folds Five, who laid down a version of "Barrytown" at Mississauga's Metalworks studios outside Toronto, Canada a few weeks back.

The film stars Jim Carrey as a man with multiple personalities, all of which fall in love with the same woman and end up fighting each other for her love. The 20th Century Fox release will be directed by the Farrelly Brothers (There's Something About Mary, Dumb and Dumber).

Elektra is eyeing a May 2000 release for the soundtrack.

Hi Clas.
Hi Oleander.

More on the David Crosby thang: After many friends in the music biz came to him about his problem, he agreed to get help. A private charter flew him to LA I think, and he had to smoke crack all the way there. He bailed once he checked in and then tried to leave the country by boat. Later was arrested and ended up going cold turkey in the joint.

CSNY are scheduled to play the new arena in New Orleans. We'll see.

Sting play's the Saenger here next week. $101.00 per seat.

Oh, never mind, I see it.

maj©

Guestbooker's CD? Count me in.

JW Malibu, please email me with the address to send the tape. Pencil Lucky Henry and me in for Chain Lightnin and Pretzel. Use what you wish. Thanks, mon.

maj©

A Jim Carey movie with 5 or 6 Steely Dan covers done by Ben Folds Five - OK, I'm going! BFF better do a good job or else.

JW: I knew it was Berlin. I was just testing you.

KD: Since you're a sports writer, I thought you were talking about cats breaking records like the 4 minute mile, pass yardage per quarter, or RBI. Then I thought your dad was totally right about it being a myth. But then I read on (I was concerned about your sanity) and realized what you were saying. Now I'm concerned about my own sanity...

clas: Your manners are impecable (because you care) but it sounds like you got yourself some red-neck friends. Bring that movie you suggested I watch next time. I'll bet they stay to see the end!

Stranger: I'll enter the restaurant when you least expect it. I'll be the long, cool woman in a black dress. I'll scan the room for the handsome Stranger - the one with intensely warm eyes. You'll pretend not to notice me, just in case it is me. You'll be engaged in conversation with your friends. I'll casually stroll over to your table and whisper, "Excuse me." Before you can stand up, I'll lean over, close my eyes and...

rb

Hohoho, check out cdnow.com, in the "allstar news" section, for info about a SD tribute in soundtrack to a movie next year.

MrChow ~ The CD/cassette issue...we have an artist whose stuff is only on cassette, so I'll pull it into the VS-880 and attempt to eq out some of the requisite hiss if needed...but it's best if I get digital in the form of CD/DAT. Thanx!

Welcome aboard, Clas! I'll put your information on the site tonight...

YGK - How come it's "World Champions" when there's just the US & Canada? Shouldn't it be North American champions?

FanofDan - It's been a trying night. Very tired. Thanks for the good wishes.

JW - I am curious as to how you could use a casette recording for making your CD. Would the sound reproduction be any good? I have my stuff on tape already, but am putting it on CD for you. If cassette is just as good, I'll send a copy over right away, while I'm arranging the CD.

Speaking of cats. Our 10 year old lad left the planet in August. I miss the karma he brought.

Everyone - I would like to recommend a CD to you all by a bassist by the name of Jeff Link. Great contemporary jazz. All original music writen by the artist with two bonus live quartet tracks from a jazz festival in Florida last year. Very smooth stuff. The album's called "Child's Play" Keep an eye out.

Oleo/Ruby/Clas: "....for a Doctor....", that's an old Jackson Browne song, right?

And I will quietly stand and salute the record breaking World Champion New York Yankees! A team of talent, class and professionalism.....

ygk

JW Malibu
This whole concept of the GB Cd is fantastic!!
I'll be giving it my best shot to win that poster.Now I wished I would have kept them guitar lessons up when I was young.

Mr Chow
Greetings my friend! Hope the exams went alright for you today.

To all Australian GB Lurkers....

If you would like to add something special to you Steely Dan collection that is not available here downunder, Email me on the above address.

Cheers

FANOFDAN

Roy Scam, let me know if you need your cassette!

clas

Hutch - yeah, amazing. He was a big drugaddict. I read somewhere that when they toured Europe they had to send over a man before the tour. He bought the stuff in the towns they were going to play, Paris, Rome, London etc etc. And he locked up the stuff in safe deposit boxes in every one of those towns.

And they had to arrange the concerts so Crosby every 15-20 minute could go backstage and take a chase.

I'm glad he made it.

JW Malibu - I thought you'd never ask! Of course I will. I can't answer for the son. Damn, he's old now, I treat him like a kid. Anyway, he's in Boston so let's forget about him.

You need a CD, I'll send one to the adress on your HomePage. Ok?

this is cool

Amazing. All those cats. We have a bird, used to have a rabbit and a turtle. Guess I tend more toward prey.

Doc K, Stranger--Some of you guys have a strong attachment to your dates despite someone else nabbing them first. I'll put them is as primes & then if the first person doesn't show up you'll be the winnah. You've got who knows how long to think about it, anyway. How will I know if the person who claims the date is the real bettor? Hmmm... honor system... no... Voiceprints, retinal scans, DNA sampling: working on it. Fezo, let's have lunch.

Rubay--"...for a doctor..." I'll take that as a high compliment.

Deepak--gotcha.

Schwinn--oppossums?=opossums with opposable thumbs

OMIO--The Magic Van, not to be confused with the Magic Bus, will be parked wherever you want it to be.

Woofer--Bark a little louder. I can't find your date.

JW--great idea. Should you exclude those who have heard the music of other GBer's?

We had a guy send in an article with a Steely title, so you know I jumped all over that

http://www.onhoops.com/content/articles/Oct1999/dpalmer.html

Clas - Glad you had a good time in the country. It's great to just relax and spend the days being creative when you can get away from the world for a while.
One of my best friends is a huge Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young fan so I'm sure I'll get to hear their new one in the next few days.
I saw a documentary on the VH1 Music Channel about David Crosby's plunge into heavy heroin and crack cocaine addiction. It's really unbelievable that he's still among the living.
And now Graham Nash has two broken legs from a boating accident.
Hope they have a lot of success with the new release.

Hutch

The Stranger - Many years ago, when Ahimsa and I lived in Greenbelt, Maryland, I let her go out alone since we lived in a rather isolated area far from the road, and I didn't let her out at night when the raccoons were about. When she was outside,she would come in to use her litter box and then go right back out again. Although she doesn't like to go outside where we live now, she does like to run in the hall; I always take her with me when I go to the trash room and she tears around for a few minutes before she's ready to go back in.

Hey Clas ~ Are you going to submit some music to the GB Compilation Album? Sure hope so...it wouldn't be complete without some music from our Swedish Connection! Maybe your son has something as well. It should be on preferably CD/DAT, but cassette's OK...MIDI files would work in a pinch, but I don't wanna' be responsible for mangling someone else's arrrangement!

Attention other artists ~ Please try to shoot for an ARRIVAL date of November 15th, which will give me 15+ days to figure out song orders, burn everything to a master, and get the master to a duplicator & the artwork/credits to the printer.

I was thinking of having a little contest for the non-contributors...we send them their copy of the CD with the jewelbox insert in a sealed envelope. They listen to the CD ala Downbeat Magazine's "Blindfold Test"...and attempt to match the music to the artist, based upon what they know about us & our musical tastes! The GBr who matches the MOST correct artists will receive a classic '60s Rick Griffin psychedelic-art poster, suitable for framing (I've got a couple of duplicates, and would be willing to part with one)!

I'm busy writing some brand new stuff for CD ~` havin' fun with it!

JW

Hutch - "Remember when you were a small child before you started school? A single day seemed to last forever. You lived totally for the moment - totally in the present."

Yeah I remember those days. It aint easy to come into that flow when you're older. Actually I tried last week, I went down to our country house, just me and the dog, and a book about how too handle emotions/feelings (The Intelligence of The Emotions, I guess it's the English title), a synth and my acrylic colors.

It was quiet, and I started to paint, haven't done that for years. I wrote songs, instrumental small parts and yeah, I lived totally in the present. It was great. And I slept like a child at nights.

Funny you mentioned that Hutch. And yes, "gata" is "street".

Altamira - Russian Blue! I grew up with a Russian Blue, beautiful cats.

RubyBaby - yeah, you wrote about him, that is a great poem. I keep it with my VERY important stuff. And you! Give The Stranger a kiss from me?

And RubyBaby, every time I visit New Orleans, the first thing The Man in the house says is; -COME ON HERE, EVERYBODY, LET'S WATCH TOPGUN! I HAVE BOUGHT NEW SPEAKERS!

The woman who saw it come, is hiding in the garden checking out flowers.

I am placed on the sofa, the kids all around, the dog too. But then something strange happens, one by one drops out and I am always the last man watching. And I am so polite, I just can't walk away from the video, the movie they wanted to show me.

So, maybe TopGun it aint that bad. But the story about Carl Bildt/Top Gun is true.

The Stranger - give RubyBaby a kiss from me?

Is Crosby Stills Nash and Young's latest anything to buy?

Local radio is playing the new CSNY song so maybe there is hope for airplay for TNO. The CSNY single is pretty odd, sounds like a Stephen Sills solo project with Eddie Van Halen guesting on guitar.

I wonder if Jim Gray would have been as brave if he was interviewing OJ after his induction in the All Century NFL team.

I try to watch Top Gun at least once a year, mainly for the Berlin song and Kelly McGillis.

Alt: In some circles its considered cruel to keep cats in the house all the time and/or ever to leash them. Hell, I'd love Carlos to live longer than me, but he's an outdoor cat and that's where he wants to be most of the time (He once somehow pushed a tightly wedged box fan out of the window to escape). It's probably safer for all of us--humans and animals--if we stayed inside all the time but then we'd all become like Pat Buchanan, pale skinned and scared of the outside world.

God is merciful. He allows us to choose. At least we think we have that option. Woof!

Is our reliance on an animal the same as eating it? Shall we stick the pig and FORGET OUR DISTINCTION? "Gosh, I really feel vital when I kill things that can't speak my language. Once it's dead I can exercise my true authority by incorporating it into my being."

When Christ gave his body to his disciples he changed all of this.

"I recall when I was small..."

My hope is that D&W haven't eaten more animals than they can chew. And if they have, I hope they find a way to sing it otherwise.

BTW, I'll stick with a late '99 release date.

Oleander,
I will stick with 5/16/00. The site's message that it will be first quarter of 00 makes 2nd or 3rd quarter a good bet.

Altamira,
We let our cat out. Your statistics are correct, but what about enjoying life? Our cat gets to smell the flowers. A coward dies many times before his death. Also, no need for a cat box. (We also have a dog--both picked up at local shelter and saved from hangman).

Ruby Baby,
I will actually be meeting friends Sat. night, 7:30 p.m. at Il Fornario, corner of Ocean and Colorado in Santa Monica. Just find the handsomest guy in the restaurant and give me a sexy kiss.

Midnite - I will visit your cats' website. Regarding your ragdoll, I've occasionally toyed with the idea of buying an Abyssinian, my favorite breed. I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of breeding and selling cats, but the breeds wouldn't continue to exist if people didn't breed cats, and I figure that I've rescued so many that I sort of deserve to buy one some day. But then Nyja looks just like an Abyssinian, aside from her color (she's black) - she has the same lithe, elegant body type; sleek fur; tufted ears; and friendly disposition - so I almost have an Abby. I'm sorry I wasn't able to help with your trip, but I hope you and your wife have a wonderful vacation.

I'd like to remind the cat lovers here that cats who go outside on their own are in danger of being exposed to disease, attacked by wild and domestic animals and cruel humans, and getting hit by cars. Cats who stay inside and only go outside when they are under the supervision of their human companions are much safer and healthier, and tend to live longer. My six cats stay in my apartment unless I'm walking them on a leash (only Nyja and Gwynedd like to go out; the other four used to go out before I got them but they are afraid of all the traffic in this busy part of the city).

KD - Wow, lesbian bikers versus Hooters girls? I wish I'd seen that! I would also like to see the picture of Fagen with the dog; I thought he didn't like animals. If that's going to be in the remastered version of Aja, I'll buy it. So you like _The Grapes of Wrath_? I thought it was awfully depressing, but it was a good book. The movie includes a song sung by Henry Fonda; he never sang in a film again, for good reason. The rose of sharon (a biblical name) is also a shrub; they're kind of unusual in that they can have more than one color of flower on the same bush - my mother had one with white, pink, and lavendar flowers.

Hank Silvers - Yes, it's good to learn of all these folks rescuing animals. I rescued almost all of mine - elder stateswoman Ahimsa was rescued from an abusive owner; the three sisters Artemis, Cerridwen, and Jane were abandoned in the woods (I found them on a two-day bicycle trip and rented a car the next day, drove 40 miles out to where I had seen them, and brought them home with me); and I rescued Nyja from her neglectful owner when she and her boyfriend were evicted from their house (they were neglectful of their baby too; she was sent by the court to live with her grandmother). Gwynedd (pronounced "wyneth")was an accident; I took Nyja to be spayed right after she came to live with me since I knew she had been an outdoor cat and I was afraid she might be pregnant, but I was told that she couldn't have surgery because she had a fever (which turned out to be caused by a pregnancy-related uterine infection). I waited a while until she would be well enough for her operation, and she had three kittens. Two of them went to live in Fredericksburg (home of William and Mary, I'm glad they live in a town with a Dan connection!) and the third lives with me.

Edd - I'm so sorry about your cat; I dread the day when I have to have one of mine put down (I keep telling 12-year-old Ahimsa that she'd better live to be 25 because I can't bear to think of losing her). But I'm glad you had the wisdom to have it done before the cat's condition became so bad that her life became miserable; not everyone does that.

Hutch - Good thoughts on the passage of time. It seems like we're always waiting for something to happen and so allowing our lives to slip right past us.

GB Sheriff - So you're around making trouble again?

JW - My mother had a Russian blue named Natasha and her brother Nicolai. She got them from the animal shelter; they had been rescued after their owners moved away and left them in the house. I just really wonder about people sometimes. I'll visit your site and look at the cats' pictures.

David in the Florida Room - Ahimsa likes pizza too; she even eats the thick part of the crust; she chomps it with her sharp molars. She runs out into the hall to greet the pizza delivery person.

OMIO - Rats are great - smart and affectionate, and the only rodents who are social by nature rather than solitary - they sleep all piled on top of one another. I used to have 13 of them and I'd like to have a few now, but I don't think it would be a good idea in an apartment with six cats.

Roy.Scam - My alma mater's mascot is a turtle (the diamondback terrapin). There is a large, bronze statue of the beast, named Testudo, in front of one of the libraries, and legend has it that if a virgin ever graduates from the university, Testudo will sprout wings and fly away.

Mr. Fragrant Opium - Keep in mind that Confide in Me was written for the Manhattan Transfer. Songs that Fagen writes for others tend be different from the ones he writes for himself.

RubyBaby....we have four cats. Waldo, Stanley, Murphy and Zachary. My wife has done a web page dedicated to the kitties. Here's the URL:

http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Meadow/7457/kitties.html

Waldo, Stanley and Murphy were all rescued from different animal shelters and we had wanted a Ragdoll so much that we broke down and bought Zack from a lady in Raleigh, NC. Hope you get a chance to check out the page. You'll see a lot of love there!

I'm really glad you asked this question. It's been great to read everyone's stories of their pets and how much they seem to mean to them.

MC

Does anyone have any stories about their cats ruining certain records? My dad told me that half his friends stopped using record sleeves on their records in the 70's because of cat hair infiltration. He didn't, it sounded like an unfounded myth anyway, and that's probably why they're still listen-o-ble.

Last year when I was home on Thanksgiving break I made the mistake of leaving my dad's vinyl copy of 'Aja' on my turntable overnight, only to wake and notice a cat-scratch from my cat, Jemima (again, the black hair)

So I get a nice skip that ruins the end of the song 'Aja' (doesn't let the stylus pass into the next groove), right when the band goes into the outro drum/sax jam again, right as the synthesizer warms up. Luckily, the Pop doesn't listen to the old records anymore (I have them all at school with me) and I gave him my CD copy of 'Aja' when I bought the MFSL gold disc.

I'm listening to John Lennon's first real solo album now, not the wedding stuff, with 'Mother' and 'Working Class Hero' and all those, and we have a nice cat scratch on 'Love Love' that doesn't let the needle pass through.

JWMailbu:

Did you see the Comedy Central game show with Berlin as contestants? I can't remeber the name, but it's the one where a group of opposites square off on trivia (lesbian bikers vs. Hooters girls, etc). Berlin took on Warrant, and won. I believe I saw it last weekend.

Actually, I think the show's named 'Vs.' Greg Proops is the host.

No real dog fans here, I'm not a big fan of theirs anyway. I've had one, named Rose of Sharon after the character in my father and mine's favorite book. I loved her, but the rest I can't get used to: too big, too much noise...in spite of that shirtless Fagen picture with a mutt inside 'Aja'

Hopefully that'll be the most I'll ever mention a family member in any post...anyone have any thoughts on the Jim Gray interview with Pete Rose??

Good to see so many GB'ers have taken in strays and rescues.

Our house has 3 cats in the yard at various times. Kelly adopted us in 1995, a big hungry ginger tom who fears only the vacuum cleaner. We adopted Lizzie and Caitie, 2 former strays, to keep him company. No dogs (despite the e-mail address), although my SO was smitten this week by a neighbor's new bichon frise puppy. We'll see...

Re-cycling an old line: the 'Noles have another honor student -- "Yes, your honor. No, your honor."

Bring on the #13 Herd...when I went to Marshall, the two worst 1-A football schools in the country were MU and Kansas State. Last week, saw a wire story that used "Marshall" and "national champion" in the same paragraph. (OK, it also said "unlikely" and "weak schedule.") My old school buddies and I trade e-mails after every win...beyond disbelief, just enjoying the ride.

Ruby ~ The song you're thinking of wasn't by the Eurhythmics (although the two bands sometimes sounded alike), but rather by the Los Angeles new wave band, Berlin. "Take My Breath Away" was actually penned by Donna Summer Svengali & Undisputed King of Euro-Disco, Giorgio Moroder. Berlin had scored a few minor hits ("The Metro" & "Sex(I'm a..)") prior to hitting 'da big time with "Take..." ~ Whenever I hear a mid-80s Roland synth (Jupiter 6/8, Juno 60, etc..) it makes me think of the hook to that song! Berlin diva Terri Nunn is still performing, and could eat crackers in my bed any night of the week! Check the "magically babelicious" Ms. Nunn out at:

http://www.terrinunn.com/images/concertr/concertr.html

The actual act of putting the cat down (or rather, having the vet do it) was pretty easy. The hard part was admitting it had to be done.

stranger: I have one word for you - Anticipation.

ygk: I forgot to tell you that even tho I never met your cat, I'm proud of him, too!

fezo: my cat kimmy would go for Carlos big time. She'd be putty in his paws.

Hutch: I'll pray that just the right feline comes your way. You'll know it when it happens.

RScam: one of my dogs is half Springer. She is ten, but she's still got the energy of a puppy. She won't let us have birds...

Ed: I've never had to put a loved one down. You must be very brave. Aja is a fantastic cat name!

Schwinn: You have a heart of gold.

clas: I can't help but think of Nisse. He will never be forgotten. And one of the best things I ever wrote was about him...
I never thought of Top Gun as a patriotic movie. I thought it's more about personal growth... It has kind of a sexy scene in it with that song by the Eurythmics. And then there's You've Lost That Lovin Feeling - great tune. kram,baby

rb

Hutch: Gee, thanks man. Now I got that McCartney and Wings song racing through my head and god knows why but I feel the need to vocalize. I think rocks are going to start flying into my office any second now

Thanks, Clas. I'm one year away from the half-century mark. Funny, isn't it, how time moves faster the older you get? I think it's because we have more structured lives when we're adults. The work week, the monthly bills, etc. Life is compartmentalized and we always seem to be looking ahead to the end of each segment so we can have "our time". Before you know it a whole bunch of little segments have come and gone. Remember when you were a small child before you started school? A single day seemed to last forever. You lived totally for the moment - totally in the present. Those days are gone forever. Over a long time ago.
And you know what, Clas? Life is much too short for you and I or any of us here or anywhere else to argue with each other. We've all said things we probably shouldn't have said, eh? I wish you well, my friend!
Does gata mean cat in Swedish?

I had a sweet little black cat named Jet who lived to be 18 years old. She was named after the McCartney song (and because she was black). Also had a big laid-back Main Coon cat named Gizmo. A pit bull got hold of him and that was the end of that.
It's long past time for me to get another cat. I think they help you keep your sanity.

Hutch

Clas...what are you doin' round these parts, agin? Didn't y'all learn 'yer lesson the first time? Now, git, before we gets a notion to have us some more fun. This GB ain't big enough for the two of us, (You and the rest of us).

You been warned.

Sheriff

Dance for me, Clas. Dance for me.

Hutch - no I didn't. But someone on my shoulder told me that I should say hi to Hutch. So, Happy Birthday Hutch.

(If I am doing well? I am doing great, thanks for asking)

Schwinn, you don't have 10 cats!

C

Felix -his name is Edd. Ask him about sequencing, I did once, I had a great time.

Rubybaby - I forgot that you asked what the hell was wrong with "TopGun". In Europe that movie is a big laugh, for its jerkish Patriotism. Like "Independence Day".

Our former Prime Minister, Carl Bildt (rightwinger) was once asked which was his best movie. He answered "Topgun" and the media laughed for a whole week. He nearly had to resign.

C

Ed- you mean after 15 lomg years.all of your cats dime dancing was through?

I had a pure white cat named "Aja" for 15 years, until a year ago when I had to put her down due to cancer.

Cats? I have 9, thank you. Most were abandoned and/or discarded by super-evolved humans with large brains. I have spayed / neutered all of them with my own money which they are paying off as they are able. Why, only last week I received 3 headless snakes, an "evil" bird carcass and the corpse of an unidentifiable varmit who was no doubt threatening the property while I slept.

Just for the record, 9 cats are only sustainable on a rural homestead with plenty of room to rule. No cat boxes in my house. No rats either. Though I am occassionally visited by a family of oppossums that have learned to use the cat door and pretty much keep the kitchen floor mopped.

Balance is everything. That and an 18 lb. bag of Purina Cat Chow every 7 days...

And yes, they seem to really dig "Brooklyn".

SEMB

One dark male tabby adopted us after abandoned by some ragamuffs moved from down the street. We are one of the few with a fence and without a dog. A considerable period of sucking up followed as half-eaten mice and frogs were placed upon our doorstep as offerings of his feline might. As the heat grew and our resolve waned and after our daughter christened him "Whoopie Baby", we sprung for cat food and a deal was struck. He takes a quick tour around the house in the morning and encourages the preparation of little ones for school. After a ritualistic repast, a busy day of keeping birds, mice, squirrels, and snakes off the property ensues. Nighttime quiet is interrupted only briefly by a midnight squabble with an un-neighborly white cat...man, I love dogs in temperate climates...

Yes...yes...YES...Caravanserai is my favorite Santana album. I have every album prior to 1980 save for the first one, and 'Cara' is just the best, most spirtual, lovely

'Welcome' comes a CLOSE second, and that one isn't even in print anymore.

My first memory as a human is bringing home my cat Little Bit from the lady who gave her away. The lovely calico is now entering her 18th year, amazing.

Coincidentally, along the same lines as watching Mr. Fagen watch basketball, my lifelong dream is to play Frisbee with Suzanne Somers. No more, no less. I'm a simple man, with a simple dream. Please help.

Our little feline friends are ~

Ella Fitzgerald, a 5 year-old coal black American longhair. I adopted her and her sister, Billie Holiday when they were kittens and I was a single guy living in a guesthouse right on the beach. They would follow me down the trail to the shoreline and sit & watch while I surfed, and would sometimes walk with me for some distances along the rocky coves up by Ventura County line. It'd blow peoples minds ~ you're not used to seeing cats on the beach...Ella would scamper right up to the receding tides! Billie ended up as coyote chow at about 8 months, and Ella ended up becoming a reluctant housecat after my wife Deborah and I moved in together with her 10 year-old Persian, Nastasha...they never got along, and Nastasha died later that year after a long struggle with kidney problems. We then adopted ~

Casey McGracey, a 4 year-old pastel calico. We found her at a PetCo pet-adoption day, and I knew she was 'the one' from square one! She'd been an orphan, and had been shuttled between 5-6 foster parents ~ skittish as as hell! We took her home, went out to dinner and came back and she was nowhere to be found. We looked for hours, pointed a few fingers at each other (as in "you're SURE you didn't let her get out?"), and eventually called the pet-adoption lady ~ who informed us that there was no way in hell Casey would've bolted. Later, as we sat dejectedly in our living room watching TV, we heard a rustling. Suddenly, the mostly-white Casey came dropping down the chimney flue, completely black with coal!

Casey is VERY verbal, and will conduct long-term conversations with us. Her favorite spot is on my towel-covered Laserjet in my studio, so she can watch me bang away at the keyboards. Other monnikers include: Lil' Whitey/Caramel Fudge Ripple/The Verbal Gerbil/MantelCat/Dirtroller & Stretch Cunningham...

Ella is very Madonna-ish in her ability to strike regal poses. She loves to go outside, and will mewl incessantly until she's allowed to go out. She was weaned on loud studio monitors and steros, and is impervious to loud noise, unlike her sister Casey. Other monnikers include: Sheba/Big Black & La Fatita...\

They're both spoiled rotten! Portraits of the munchkins can be seen at:

http://www.thekatbox.com/casellastudio/casella.htm

Shoot. 11/13's creepin up pretty soon.... i'll stick with it tho.

hmm... when's Thanksgiving..?

Two cats: Crash aka Meanie
Gracie aka A Close Second

the neighbor's kitty, Kitty, and
DotD, the Dalmatian formerly known as My Dog, frequently stop by for snacks and beer.

Hmmmm, that's *three* cats so far called "Beatie Boy." What's it all mean, Mr. Natural?

He's a fifteen year old Cat named Kasim Sultan (named after Todd Rundgren's Former and Meatloaf's current Bass Player)
Big and All Gray and thinks he's a Dog....follows me around the house......likes that people food
the best, Pizza,Steak, Chops...my Wife Dale buys Sliced Turkey from the Deli for his treat. Got us Trained real good...oh yeah.

Also Known as Kaz, Booger, Beastie Boy, Hey Asshole, guitar cable Biter ,etc.
D

Santana- Caravansari.
Coltrane -later taken up by the Doors.
Fagen -watching basketball.
Becker -watching underwater hockey.
Pets - my mosquitos (since I feed them).
& Lemon Sorbet

Hey Miz Ducky!

What a coincidence! I am also owned by a Jimi! He is a 17 pound, mixed breed flame point siamese whose full name is Jimi Durante Chan. Jimi, after my favorite guitarist Jimi Hendrix, Durante because of his huge nose and Chan due to his Asian background and of course, he is number one son. Informally he also goes by the name Jimi, and on other occasions he provokes the names Fat Boy, Ole Blue Eyes, Beastie Boy, Taz, and Baby Cougar Melonhead.

As for me, I am owned by an obstreperous little black cat whose full name is Jimmy Dean, the Rebel Without a Clue. Informally he goes by Jimmy. Other occasions provoke monikers like Junior Birdman (no reference to the jazz great, but to an old radio serial hero who was always "up in the air, upside down"); the Beastie Boy; the Wild One; and a variety of Anglo-Saxon terms (when he finds cute ways of annoying his human).

On another random tangent: I'm having trouble visualizing Mr. Fagen as being a sports fan of any sort, but I'd be the first to admit I have no facts on which to base that impression.

I could give a flying fuck if generation X ers like Santana or not. Its too bad that it took some new music Artists on the tape to get them simpletons hip to Carlos....tell them to get educated, most of them don`t even know where Vietnam is on the map

to the man who wrote 'Songs With No Words (Tree with no Leaves)', I can only say:

blow me

to say nothing of the money he owes me

Lennon's first had a picture of him sitting under a tree. Songs like 'God' ( a concept by which we measure our pain) , 'Love', 'Working Class Hero' -you get the drift -not too shabby. The last song is cut short by a gun shot.
Which reminds me of David Crosby's first- also great. The original cover had a trippy photo of his face melting into a sunset - then when you turned it over it said " ...if I could only remember my name...". Now when you buy the CD they've missed the joke completely and printed the text on the front. Sign of the times.

Santana's Supernatural Demonstrating Broad Appeal
[ Fri., October 22, 1999 11:28 PM EDT ]

Latin rockers' first #1 album in almost 30 years boosted by guest stars, observers say.

Staff Writer Brian Hiatt and Contributing Editor Rich Simon report:

There's little mystery, it seems, as to how Supernatural became the first #1 album by Latin rockers Santana in almost 30 years.

It's all about the guest stars, radio programmers and retail professionals say.

"Because of the different artists on it, it's so universal and appealing that it can sell to so many different markets," Neal Mirsky, program director of the Philadelphia active-rock station WYSP-FM, said.

Singles such as "Smooth" (RealAudio excerpt), featuring Matchbox 20 singer Rob Thomas, "Put Your Lights On" (RealAudio excerpt), with hip-hop balladeer Everlast and "Maria Maria" (RealAudio excerpt), produced by Fugees rapper Wyclef, have helped the album reach fans who might have been unfamiliar with the band's previous work.

"Because of the different artists on it ... it can sell to so many different markets." — Neal Mirsky, program director of radio station WYSP-FM

"It's nonstop," Tony Castillo, manager at a Tower Records in New York, said. "People will come in and pick up Celine Dion and Santana, or they'll grab the Mos Def [album] and the Santana. It's a wide array of people."

When bandleader and lead guitarist Carlos Santana heard that the album would be #1 on this week's Billboard 200 albums chart, his first thought was to thank his collaborators, according to Kitsaun King, a spokesperson for the band's management.

"He wanted to start sending out flowers ... to Rob Thomas ... to people who were instrumental in making the album," King said.

"Smooth" is #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, and "Put Your Lights On" has begun to climb rock radio charts in several formats. A recently released video for "Maria Maria" also is driving the album's sales, according to one retailer.

"I've seen a lot of people buying the CD off that video who are not your average Santana fan, people who weren't brought up on Santana," Ernesto Sayson, the rock buyer at Tower Records' flagship store in San Francisco, said.

Other tracks, including "Love of My Life" with Dave Matthews, the rock-gospel song "The Calling" with fellow guitar legend Eric Clapton, and "(Da Le) Yaleo," are also getting airplay on various radio formats.

"[Santana] chose to collaborate with a lot of good musicians, and the result shows," said Ronda Betts, music director of the Chico, Calif., mainstream-rock station KZAP-FM.

Before the record's release, Santana said he reunited with Arista records chief Clive Davis to help the band get the kind of radio play only such early hits as "Oye Como Va" and "Black Magic Woman" had received. Davis had originally signed the band to Columbia in the late '60s.

"Radio is the frequency that a lot of young people are tuning in to," Santana said.

Ruby Baby,
Get me on the cell, baby. Let's not do it at Spago's. Incidentally, nobody gets reservations there between 6:30 and 9:30 -- unless you're somebody like Jack Nicholson.

Beavers: Just kicked the snot out of UCLA, #2 rated offense in the nation.. Pride of Corvallis (& a certain Art Criminal guitarist too)..

Ole: You're on! Is that magic van near Mobile Or Lodi?

Mitch: Guilty as charged.. Sly is a former East Bay DJ..
Fave SF band: Sons Of Champlin & Quicksilver..
Tower Of Power just released a compilation.. TOP is a great album.. Check their tour dates, put on your dancing shoes & go see them!
www.bumcity.com.. Order up!

Grateful Dead: The Harley Davidson of bands.. If it's running right, there's nothing like it.. If it's not, enjoy the view..

Pets: 4 cats, 2 rats & a 16 week Samoyed puppy.. Been owned by those fuzzballs for over 25 years.. I work Samoyed Rescue, finding homes for them before The Needle...

"the more i see of people, the more i love my Samoyeds.."

SENOR SCAM: i did have a joke that included a beaver, but it has escaped my memory temporarily.....shoot, Tire Changing was 3 credits PLUS a Survey class (1 credit)....

just heard that we've lost famed pro golfer Payne Stewart to the ages, due to some sort of autopilot malfunction on the Lear jet he was riding.......

i had a joke about his knickers, too....but i can't remember THAT neither........

fezo, joKEr: Here's the way I heard it.
Q: How many UVA students does it take to change a tire?
A: Two. One to watch the car, one to call his father.

Q: How many VPI students does it take to change a tire?
A: One, but he gets three semester hours credit for it.

I've also heard that those wishing to discredit the Florida State athletic programs as half-assed refer to them as the Semi-holes.
And UNLV had a 12 and 5 season (12 arrests, 5 convictions).

Don't bother fighting back. My alma mater's mascot was a Beaver. Nobody could make a joke out of that.

My home mascot is two springer spaniels flanked by two cockateils and a parakeet.

RS

2 animals live here in the domicile... myself and a 15 year-old, long-hair calico (gray, orange & white) cat named Lacy Davenport...

Loving the the pet stories! I wish I could meet them all. It seems that cats are the most prevalent so far.

BigFan: If my husband would let me, I'd have as many critters as you do. I recall watching the last ant in my kids'ant farm bravely keep working and making trails for 2 weeks until she finally kicked the bucket. I cried. And damn those coyotes.

oleander: thanks for letting me switch! For a doctor, you're extremely reasonable.

stranger: I'll be coming to LA this Friday. Won't get there until evening. Shall we not do dinner instead? Let's make it expensive... We're worth it!

here@theWesternWorld
rb

Don't remember if John Lennon's first was Shaved Fish, but a good LP.

St Al: The latest TOP, a live CD, is a good one.

Earth: post your e-address.

Gotta love them Yankees, eh? ALthouth I'm certain the Donald is a Mets fan.....

re: Pets: We have two cats. Luke & Angus.
After the great NorEaster of 1993, flooding the East side of Manhattan, Luke was playing with a mouse at 4 in the morning. I thought, going to the bathroom, that it was a toy mouse, but soon discovered it was real. And dead. Luke watched as I picked it up with a cloth and put in the toilet and flushed.

A week later, I again woke to make an early morning trip to the BR, and discovered 1. a proud cat, and 2. a dead mouse - in the toilet. Apparently, he didn't learn how to flush....

True Story.

Luke and Angus are now quiet, proud Yankee fans, watching the games with feigned interest. Like Atlanta would be a scary thought. Right. (wrong!)

ygk

jOKer: Just reach for the nearest petrified cow chip. I hear they are in abundance down there. In fact, aren't they the official school snack?

Pets? We got three. Two who came with my wife when she moved over from London and still haven't got used to the fact that they are no longer the only two objects of her affection. And one, Carlos, who just appeared one Thanksgiving and is street kitty extraordinaire. Eats anything, loves to bring his latest catch into the house to share, and has never backed down from a fight.

DrMu: I like your college FB standings. We had to bundle up down here since Tech went up....anyone have an ice scraper..........?

HOKIE HOKIE HOKIE HI
VIRGINIA TECH VPI

[rah}

St.Al said , "matchbox who?"

Hey now, their first album sold overr 10 million copies! I guess some folks know whio they are

Ole: That's OK... I don't need to win a prize... my pick was the result of some sort of kharma... my choice remains as originally chosen... the 92nd day of the year!

Ok - here is the deal. donald and walter have a lot riding on the release of two freaks (more jewels, more alimony). Conventional wisdom would have them releasing TF before xmas (so that you old fogie dan heads can send your kids to the music store to get you an xmas present), or in the early summer to support a massive tour.

since they are releasing it in the first quarter, there is only one assumption we can make - they are timing the release to coincide with ther induction to the Hall of fame?!

Since we know that the ignorant-psuedohipster-sixties burnout- hall voters aren't cool with the Dan, and that our heros, charitable-speaking, are LONGSHOTS for enshrinment, we must assume that THE FIX IS IN!

They most likely paid someone off! Let's hope so. Without it, the CD will suffer a long cold winter languishing on the dusty shelves of your favorite CD Emporium.

The disc is going to be filled with walter singing and donalds neo dufous-"i've been to therapy, look how normal I am"-lyrics, so everyone is going to be turned off by the damn thing anyway.

And a tour - I dought it. Can you imagine Donald ever leaving the house befor the robins sing?

stick with the bootlegs from better times past!!!

Mr. Fragrant Opium

*fun parlor game- play "met me in the morning" for your dylan freak friends and tell them that it is the first time ever bob sang this song from blood on the tracks - they fall for it everytime!

** My place is cute and it's kind of comfortable in a storm"

Sheesh, how much bullshit do you have to put up with around here? No, don't answer that.

Mitch--Check out the Digest, Sept. 20-30. A guy named Hans describes the Aja documentary, which was shown on Norwegian TV not long ago. It's apparently on DVD, but in Euro mode, so it won't play on US setups. Why isn't it out on VHS? Maybe it will show up on the SD Shopping Network?

Ruby--You can pick whatever date or dateS you want. You're on for 1/10.

There are some dates claimed by either very deep lurkers or folks who are no longer around. If one of them wins, and doesn't claim those tasty prizes, the latter will go to the closest date.

Stranger--Quality Control must have been down at the Fall'n'Crawl when your date came in. It's taken--got another?

Q--thank you, man.

I'm too lazy to schroll all the way down, so this is old news perhaps. CDNOW.com is taking pre orders for the remastered Aja and RS for release on Nov 23 - just in time for Christmas shopping weekend.

Dr Mu - I like it.

Our Pets:

2 Dogs - both Brittanies - 12 years old - Annie and Coty - Coty is getting very old looking, but boy can they still find pheasants. I made pheasnt Marengo tonight for dinner - named after the meal served to Napoleon after his hard fought victory in Marengo, Italy. His cook made him a quick meal of chicken, tomatoes, fried eggs and crayfish. I use pheasant, shrimp and boiled eggs, but it is just as good.

3 cats - Cleo, 14, Tom Kitten, 1 yr, Evey (pokemon name)- 15 weeks. We've lost two cats to coyotes in the last year, Charley at 14 and a kitten - Tabitha Twitchet 9 months.

1 Cuban Anole - Fidel- 4 years.

1 Black Gerbil - Blackberry - 3 months

2 weird looking frogs - Jelly and an albino one called Pearl, Smuckers died.

1 Ant farm - I think they are all dead though, I hope or they are loose.

Ruby,

Donald Fagen's birthday is January 10; he'll be 52.

I don't know about SD band members, but I've read that Walter Becker and his family have lots of animals in a variety of species, and he appears in a photograph accompanying AIA with a snake draped around his neck. As far as fans go, I have six cats; I don't know about any other fans!

Oleander: Can we change our guess on the release date? I made that one a laawwwng time ago. If so - I'd like to change it to Donald Fagen's birthday. Isn't that in January?

Pet owners: Petsmart is the place to shop. 4 out of 5 times I go in there, I hear something SD. The last time it was IGTN, which they played immediately after Steppin Out. Good line up.

Do SD band members/fans tend to have pets?

rb

Dr. Mu.. Give it up dude! The Mets and Yankees are the talk of the baseball and sports world right now! (I'm talking NEW YORK CITY SPORTS RULES!) If you don't believe me, ask ygk.

Just to set the record straight, "Birth Of The Cool", is NOT bebop.

Cool.

Unofficial GB college football poll. Our motto is "screw the BCS!"

Top 8 (for the orig. studio releases and the "new one")

8. Wake Forest Demon Deacon Blues
7. East Carolina Pirates of Penzance
6. Tenteethesee Dental Volunteers
5. Florida "our coach has the disposition of" Gators
4. Kansas State Purple Cats
3. Florida State Criminoles (I'm proposing an "after the bell" pugilistic extravaganza between Mike Tyson and the FSU starting lineup)
2. THE Penn State University Litany Lions
and...
1. VPI Hokies (Hang your head Tom because were going to...)

JW: count me in as a recipient. I'll e U.

Oleander: Whats up about the AJA speical? Was this about the making of AJA ? This Manassas Tape thats being hyped, is it Quality, or just the only thing released LIVE from the Art Crimes Tour 96 ?

Today is the release of the " New One" for the group that defined my generation Crosby Stills Nash Young. Their tour CSNY2K is coming to Pittsburgh March 18 $200 for gold circle ,$70 for first level and $40 for the nose bleed section. I just listened to 4 Way Street this rainy October morning , and i still haven`t found anybody that can harmonize( anglos) like these guys. I was wondering if their fans were moaning and groaning over their'NEW
One " like we are here ? St. AL. Tower of Power : suggested listening, TOWER OF POWER, Back To Oakland, I couldn`t find a Best of by them though. Early stuff with Lenny Williams as lead vocalist is best, although 2 years ago they released a killer tape, they were one if not the best at mixing R+B with some great horns. Note: Early Chicago, Chicago Transit Authority was superb as well.

Clas - How did you know today's my birthday?
Hope you're doing well.

Hutch

Oleander, stop sending me emails. I don't read them, I erase them.

Hutch - way to go boyfiend! Keep up the good work. Yo!

fezo--Lord love a lawyer! I admire you SO much for offering to be the fever dreams legal arm pro bono! Get back to me when your crack legal team comes up with a Real Release Date, OK? I can't handle all this ambiguity.

JW--Sign me up! To get a cd, that is. The graphics look GREAT.

Mu--What a bottom-feeder he is. What can I say? He's chiseled himself a rock-solid, unbudgeable power base. He was quite ill during his last campaign, so we all got our hopes up he'd kick shortly. I think spite and ugliness are all that's keeping him going.

OMIO--I wonder if the Southern equivalent is "Stuck Inside of Mobile." Next time you're stranded, give me a call and I'll be right over with the magic van and whisk you outa there.

Doc--Dayum! You finally give a date and it's taken! Please try again!

Ed with one d--same thing. Leap Year Day is taken.

Geena, Stranger, gotcha.

There must be SOME way to get the Aja special!

Mr.Malibu: my son locks himself in his room all day and night.I assume he's making music (although it's pretty quiet in there sometimes). If he wanted to contribute to your compilation which format should he use - is midi OK ? He doesn't sound at all like Sting, but if he did would that be OK too?

USA VCR'S = NTSC
EUROPEAN VCR'S = PAL or SECAM
Different and incompatable formats BUT....you can buy VCR's here that will play all formats. Panasonic has been making them longer than anyone I know of but there are other manufacturers....that said, I don't know of anyone who got the show recorded either here or when it supposedly aired in Canada....I'd love to see a copy if VH1's US division isn't going to air it.

Looks like Penn State may be #1 in college football this week. Hokies a distant #2 ... SOS will kill them the more games they play. You can win, but you can't move forward.

Got an email this morning that CDEurope.com has the remastered Royal Scam and Aja albums are available. Should be hearing something in the US very soon.

I still don't see how anyone got a copy of a tape from that Norwegian broadcast - European VCRs play at different speed than ours in the Us and Canada - just like DVDs - you would need a Euro VCR, not that you couldn't get one, but a power adapter, etc also. It will be big news if the DVD of Aja comes out here, I might have to buy one of those fancy contraptions.

Call me computer-challenged, but when I went to the betting pool, I couldn't figure out how to get my bet down. So here it is for posterity:

5/16/00

Hey, I come back to the site after a few days, and you know what people are discussing? Music! Don't understand it. Anyway, about Sting, yes, he is absolutely one talented bloke. Like Steely Dan, he successfully bridges the rock and jazz worlds, although I believe Sting is more accepted by jazz fans than the Dan is, which doesn't mean he's better. It just is what it is. But Sting is still out there taking chances and creating. And when he's in a film, he's just got this presence.

Don't really understand the appeal - I guess the first successful garage band.American Beauty? I did, however like the first song on Anthem of the Sun.

Birth of the Cool (mother of it all)

The lineup:

trumpet - Miles Davis
trombone - Kai Winding, J. J. Johnson
french horn - Junior Collins, Sandy Siegelstein, Gunther Schuller
tuba - Bill Barber
alto saxophone - Lee Konitz
baritone saxophone - Gerry Mulligan
piano - Al Haig, John Lewis
bass - Joe Shulman, Nelson Boyd, Al McKibbon
drums - Max Roach, Kenny Clarke
vocal - Kenny Hagood
arrangers - Gerry Mulligan, John Lewis, John Carisi, and Gil Evans on "Boplicity: (the crown jewel), "Moon Dreams", and "Theme"

JW - You like Charles Ives? I just love his music, so witty and playful.

I left out some words, I pretty much meant, for whatever Mr. Parker did to aid the development and popularity of bebop, it was 'Birth of' that really defined it...or did it?

I knew he wasn't on the album, I just can't write...he's not on the album, just Miles and a bunch of white dudes, not that that means anything...anyway, Parker by himself and playing with Miles in the 40s, meant a lot, but 'Birth of' defined the genre.

Good Lord I hate "The Real World," makes us look SOO BAD

I don't think Gil Evans was on "Birth Of The Cool".

??

KD: That sounds like an interesting game. I'll give it some thought. Just to clarify, though, Charlie Parker had nothing to do with, "Birth Of The Cool". That was Miles Davis, Gerry Mulligan, John Lewis, (later of the Modern Jazz Quartet), and Gil Evans. Miles is generally given full credit for the creation of this genre, when actually, it was more of a collaberative effort by all involved, as far as writing and arranging.

Later,

Herm

Hutch ~ Oddly enough, the Roman soldier silhouette was on the original image of the vehicle, which was some sort of fire truck. On the first draft of the cover, the psychedelicized "mask" applied on the truck was too opaque to see the little guy, on the second he's subtly visible!

Re: Gentle Giant ~ Definitely one of prog rock's finest! I've got a little GG anecdote ~ In '74, GG came to LA in support of their album, "The Power & The Glory"...they played the Whiskey up in Hollywood. My fellow "prog-rock geek" music major buddies and I drove up to see the show, which was absolutely amazing! At one point in the show, the band was literally playing "musical chairs"; every member of the band played EVERY instrument in quick rotation...never seen anything like it before or since! Still reeling from the incredible musical display (and assorted other sundry "items"), my girlfriend suggested that we try to schmooze our way upstairs to the aftershow party. Sure as shit she somehow got us in (she was a Brit, and we figured that had something to do with it)...and we sat and talked with our hero Kerry Minnear (keyboards/cello) for a good half-hour about everything from Charles Ives to Mellotrons. We were in hawg heaven!!! I also remember that the walls of the room were COVERED with autographs, and we had a field-day looking at the scrawlings of Jim Morrison and other rock luminaries...

YGK ~ Sorry 'bout that! You're on there, bro!

KD ~ Re: The Staples Center...haven't been down there yet for any events, but as The Stranger pointed out in an earlier post ~ it panders heavily to its affluent season-ticket holders in a very blatant manner. A friend of mine saw Broooce play on Thursday ~ he indicated that the sound was decent. As far as comparing it with the Forum, BOTH locations are almost equally dangerous these days...

StAl ! Have to concur w/you regarding The Dead's popularity on the East Coast...you wouldn't have New England bands like Phish (with HUGE draws, no less) if that were not the case.

The waves are singing their siren song...gotta' run!

From the Six Degrees of Dan File:

searching around allmusic.com, and found a live album by the Jive Five, from 1995, where they cover 'Hey Nineteen'

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=10:41:46|AM&p=amg&sql=A253141

dunno if the link will work, but these guys get their SS checks and are covering the song live right before they launch into their biggest hit/set closer 'My True Story'...a doo-wop Steely Dan song?

Soc, et al:

My roommate and I are pretty big Tony Bennett/Sinatra fans, and we've spent some time talking about the origin of the concept album and real LP's in par-tic-ulore. I know the rock side and he knows the jazz/croon side. From what we can tell, muscatel, is that both guys had a far-reaching idea of what a long player could be, and both their first real albums were really concept albums: Sinatra's 'Songs for' series and Tony's 'Beat of My Heart'

'Beat of My Heart' has Bennett diving into jazz standards that give various giant jazz drummers a chance to really go off. The sound is sparse and heavy on the percussives, it spares the strings and things, lays the melody down and not much else. On top of it all, Tony really shines, the singing is fantastic.

And recently he's been doing his tribute albums, to Sinatra, Billie Holiday, female singers, Cole Porter, Christmas, and, most recently, Duke Ellington. We both just picked that up and boy is it good. I'm listening to it now.

Sinatra goes all over, and one favorite is 'When No One Cares,' a bit of an ode to melon-collie and assorted sadnesses.

One idear may be trying to pick out albums that started and/or defined a particular style of music. For Charlie Parker did, was it 'The Birth of the Cool' that really gave BeBop it's legs? Marvin Gaye's non-singles-driven (how many hyphens can you fit?) 'What's Going On', 'Sgt. Pepper' being the first rock album to eschew singles by not releasing one and having a coherent set of songs? I still think 'A Day In the Life' is the best popular music will ever do, pop's finest masterpiece. Goosebumps, ten years after I've heard it.

I wish 'Kamakiriad' would have started a trend, maybe Soul/R+B for the 21st Century, but, heheh, I guess not. At least we have D'Angelo, as even hometown boy R.Kelly is starting to wear on me.

Natalia, you crusty old Bolshevik, where've you been?

All you L.A. cats: how does the Staples Center look? Is there going to be any sort of intimacy/home court advantage or is the joint too big to make any difference? Is it nicer to have a place downtown rather that driving to Inglewood? Can I spell any worse?

ICE Newletter reports that the newly remastered versions of "The Royal Scam" and "Aja," again with additional new notes by Becker and Fagen, will be out in the USA on Tuesday, Nov 23. Somthing to be thankful for that week.

Hey now!

Mitch: I'm not sure of what you mean by the Dead not having a strong appeal in the East? Routinely selling out up and down the Eastern seaboard pretty much qualifies as having a strong appeal in my book. NY was their home away from home. 5 show runs at Madison Square Garden were not uncommon. No, the Dead's culture was pervasive. I doubt TOP ever played the same sized arena unless they were the openning act...

Speaking of TOP. If one were to choose just one CD of theirs to have, which would it be? I dig the tune "What is Hip" and I've seen them live 3 or 4 times (openning for others...) but they don't get a lot of airplay around these parts.

Casual Observer: WOW! To make not one but two brainless statements in one day must be a record for this GB (save Clas). Matchbox who? Sounds like you need to chage radio stations...

Clas: Where the hell are you?

StAl

I say Natalia should be a mandatory attendee for the next Danfess

JW: Put me on the want-a-CD list, please.

ygk

Thanks, Natasha, now it all makes sense.

Hello my handsome man/pretty woman. It's me, Natalia - I'm beautiful Russian girl, 23, 162/48 (In American measure it's me: 5'4", 105#, Very Slender). I am thin, little Russian school-girl. I want long relationship with good, dominant man or woman, and of course, if I am bad little girl to disobey you, I can be punished by you, my master (or mistress) with you spanking. I still have my little school uniform, with very short skirt now. Can you will please contact me to obey you? Natalia Glushkova - Address: Ul. Petrova 4A-80, Yoshkar-Ola, 424038 Russia.
Telephone # is: 011-7-8362-216889 or at my work: 011-7-8362-128786. I speak English, and I will waiting you call or write to me for serious relationship, Natalia. Please, long relations with you, only, and please write: "Natalia #322" in e-mail subject as I share e-mail account, ok?

JWMalibu -

Who is the soldier, amigo?
Why is he standing
Near our Technicolor Motorhome
With his shadow on the door?

Was the Roman soldier on the door the whole time? I just noticed him tonight. Thought my eyes were trickin' me for a second there. Gotta be some significance that I'm missing, eh?

I was checking out your web-site last night. So you're a Gentle Giant fan? Great band. Consummate musicians... that's for sure. Saw them at a little club in Virginia Beach in 1980 when they were supporting the "Civilian" album. That album was kind of a come-back for them. I was surprised that they didn't hit big with it. It was more accessible to the mainstream without losing that intricate edge they had. From what I've read about them they had a persistant Nemesis called Genesis that always seemed to be one step ahead of them in "Playing the Game" so to speak. They were certainly very similar groups. GG was much better than Genesis IMHO.

Hutch

Whatevah happens - Kamakiriad was reported as entering the Newsday / Billboard Report's New York "Hot 25 albums" chart at number 3 on June 6, 1993. It was shown as number 10 the same week in the national charts. It no doubt went higher the following week.

JWMalibu - I have just E-mailed you re. the Compilation. Great idea. I'm there.

no listing for Santana and Friends for the rest of this week on VH1 but Behind The Music is doing a 90 minute show on Sting this Sunday afternoon from 2:30pm - 4pm. That's Eastern Time so if you want to watch figure it out for your local viewing pleasure.

MC

Santana is on VH1's Hard Rock Live as I write this performing songs from the Supernatural CD as well as some classics. Especially enjoyable so far were Love Of My Life with Dave Matthews and Put Your Lights On with Eric Everlast. Hope this show will air again so I can tape it next time. Going to VH1's site now to check for future air times.

re: Sting....great musician....the Police were great but I love the added jazz influences of the solo work. He's an arrogant piss but the music is truly outstanding!

Alta....missed your email but we've broken it into two mini-trips and have it all planned out anyway.

OMIO,You seem to know alot about that scene , did u live in that area ,and are you in the music business? Was Sly Stone from the region as well? Who was your favorite band from the Bay? I know that most of the viewers here identify with the Greatful Dead, but i can tell you that they never had a strong appeal in the East. Tower of Power surely did, they played Pittsburgh and Cleveland like they were from there.

Dear CASUAL, I think you are fuckin nuts ,if you don`t hear the SANTANA sound in that song, Matchbox is cool, but wait 30 years later ,and see if anyone ever heard of them......i doubt it.

The following were all Matchbox 20 fans:

1. The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later they were both eaten by a killer whale.

2. A few years ago, Frank Perkins of Los Angeles made an attempt on the world flagpole-sitting record. Suffering from the flu he came down eight hours short of the 400 day record, his sponsor had gone bust, his girlfriend had left him and his phone and electricity had been cut off.

3. A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen, shaking frantically with what looked like a wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle. Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current she whacked him with a handy plank of wood by the back door, breaking his arm in two places. Till that moment he had been happily listening to his Walkman.

4. Two animal rights protesters were protesting at the cruelty of sending pigs to a slaughterhouse in Bonn. Suddenly the pigs, all two thousand of them, escaped through a broken fence and stampeded, trampling the two hapless protesters to death.

5. Iraqi terrorist, Khay Rahnajet, didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with "return to sender" stamped on it. Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits.

Times are hard...

'AIA' is all older songs, songs that were hits, save 'Book of Liars', and it didn't sell...times have changed, and I'm glad SD hasn't changed with them

they'd have goatees and shit

And, being 12 or 13 when 'Kama' came out, and having bought it seven years later, I was shocked to learn that I knew and remembered 'T's Girls' and 'Snowbound' damn near word for word, and I was not what you'd call a Dan freak at 12 and 13: the songs were on the radio

Casual: Kamakiriad reached the top 10 of the charts at one point I believe and went gold so i think it was a commercial success

Let's reiterate ~ Sting uses a rhyming dictionary, he has servants waiting on him hand & foot, and he has the best studio cats at his disposal. Yeah...he'd be nothing without that damn book, the stodgy butler and the "jazzmusicians"...One question though, my little Sting detractor ~ isn't it hard to breathe when your head is lodged that far up your ass? You WISH you had 1/10th of the talent Mr. S has....

That said, my vote for the tastiest Sting album goes to "Nothing Like the Sun" ~ nary a throwaway on the entire album. Standouts in my mind include: "Fragile", "The Lazarus Heart", "Straight To My Heart" and his collaboration with gil Evans on the arrangement of Jimi's "Little Wing"...LOTS of energy, impeccable playing by Brandford, Kenny & Manu, and cool guest-guitbox appearances by Summers, Clapton & Knopfler. The polyrhythms on "Straight..." are almost Zappaesque. The guy actually makes a more than a few solid lyrical points as well ~ read between the lines!

Re: The GB Compilation ~ six musical artists and counting!

Casual- I think you missed the point being made, namely, that what is "catchy" today (and what gets played on top-40 radio) has itself changed. By any measure, subjective or objective, the variation and musicality of "hits" today (not to mention the "taste" or "ear" of the average listner) is far more constricted than in the days when SD wrote their radio chart hits.

If on the other hand you wish to argue that "SD hasn't changed with the times", then that probably would be valid - they have not adopted today's musical tastes and standards of "success" (eg, the LCD) as their own. Thank god.

"Or maybe they just don't care about reaching the least common denominator?"

How about Donald & Walter are unable to write catchy songs anymore. They used to be able to write popular songs that got played on the radio. But now they're out of touch and their songs reflect it. And as a result, they don't get played on the radio. Tomorrow's Girls was the last new song ever to get played on the radio. And it didn't even break the Top 40.

Steely Dan can't write catchy songs anymore and that's why their new album will be a commercial failure, just like Kamakiriad, 11 Tracks of Whack, and Alive in America.

I propose that the release date pool use the so-called US "street date" as criterion. It will be played on radio (and probably even the web) before then, promotional copies will be out there, and I also believe that releases in Japan are usually a few days earlier. But all those other events happen all over the place and on random days, whereas "street date" is the official, well-publicized, for-the-books thing and stays "stationary", so to speak, no matter what happens to the physical CD distribution itself. The only way to go IMHO

Ole: OK... I've refused to participate in the "guess the release date" contest long enough... my vote is for the 92nd day of the year... and that counts out to be April 1st!!! I guess you can call me an April Fool.

"They're just too out of touch with what the listening public wants."

Or maybe they just don't care about reaching the least common denominator?

Mitch: Moby Grape was pretty legendary around the Bay.. Enjoyed some national recognition thanks to Columbia's big-bucks promo..
A really good band, but I personally never "got" them..
Skip Spence died a couple of years ago after a long bout with mental illness (lived under bridges, etc..). There is an effort to resurrect his solo album,which is better than Moby Grape..

Maybe those "Session" people work with Sting because they respect his musicianship.. They aren't That broke..

Sounds like it's either too diverse or too narrow around here..
Notify the proper Authorities.. Order must be restored..
It's Wild! Here in the Gb..

Santana has a hit album and song because the hit song was written and performed by the guy from Matchbox 20. The reason the song is getting heavy radio play is because it is a Matchbox 20 song with Carlos Santana on guitar, nothing more.

And Matchbox 20 is in touch with a large pop audience and generated multiple a hit single and album and MTV and VH1 airplay. The fact that "Smooth" went to number one shouldn't be a surprise. Carlos Santana didn't write it. He just played on it.

So don't don't get your hopes up that The New One will be as successful as Santana's new one. Donald and Walter can't write radio-friendly songs anymore. They're just too out of touch with what the listening public wants. Just like Sting.

Walter and Donald on web audio Sat.

This one just came in to the Dandom Digest and I thought I better forward it here as I couldn't find it on the current set of submissions here. Credit for this goes to Steve, sdf@clarkson.edu.

Enjoy.
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Steve wrote:

Check out www.twec.com and go to the "onstage" link (I think that's what it was.) You will find this:

RadioWoodstock On Stage: Levon Helm and his All-Star Revue

Check out the longtime drummer for The Band, multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, singer, impressario, studio owner, studio engineer and producer during this audiotaped broadcast of Levon Helm and his All-Star Revue featuring Phoebe Snow, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen,
originally recorded live at the Bearsville Theatre in Woodstock, NY in July of 1999 on
Saturday, October 23 at 3:00 a.m. ET. Tune in for repeat broadcasts of this performance during the week.

Does anyone out there in computerland know an easy way to somehow record these online shows?

Steve

"how can I save my little boy/from Oppenheimer's deadly toy.Hello.

Gimme $20 I'll do some more.

John Anderson's first 'Olias of sunhillow' I remember as being great - but it's been years since I've heard it.

Fezo: I don’t know if it’s changed any but when I worked in the biz (and that wasn’t too long ago), the release date is when the product is released to the public/for sales in stores. Radio stations always had and played a copy previous to release date because we usually got it from the label dudes. As for the rest of your post, I get confused on 3 hours sleep.

Sting in the ass: I wish I had servants wait on me, then I could get my artistic juices flowing again, but if Sting does, then I guess he’s just a lucky guy. We all have diverse musical tastes. I just happen to like Sting and have since The Police, I’m not really concerned with his session people or his rhyming dictionary.

Lew Chang
Checked your email lately.Its the best we can offer.

As self-appointed counsel for the GB/Oleander betting pool, I suggest a need for immediate clarification of the term "release date". Does it mean the first date a dj plays a purloined copy on the radio? Does it mean the day on which the first store has a midnight opening day sale. In that instance, what if the store opens at 11:59 for the sale as opposed to the aforesaid midnight. Does it mean the date posted on the official site? Does it mean the date posted on the Reprise site? What if in either of the latter two instances, that date is not followed?

Ole/St. Al: That will $ 250. If I receive payment within 10 days, I will charge 20 percent less for actual assistance in providing a legally safe definition of "release date".

Roy: Blood Sweat & Tears second album is eponymus.

Zeke: Donny Hathaway live - an outstanding album!

re: eponymous non-debuts

Fleetwood Mac

I was pondering the release of " The New One" today at work!, and the fact that Becker wants to be shall we say! on a more equal par as far as vocals are concerned. This realy worries me,as all you REAL Dan fans know that Donald is Steely Dan and always will be, so Walter please do what you always have done and let Fagen do the talken!!.........Hey!! Mr Chow & FANOFDAN have you any good news for me????...........

Sting? The guy uses a rhyming dictionary, for christsakes. Anyone would sound good with the session people he uses. In his house he has servants wait on him.
BTW surprising how narrow all your musical frame of references are - swith off those AOR radios!

Actually, Peter Gabriel produced 3 eponys in a row, but the 1st was his debut, so I did not tally that one.

Ole: Can't you do something about this guy? I thought we should suggest to Mssrs. Becker and Fagen that they apologize to the little old ladies of German descent and daughters of the 3rd Reich in Argentina for writing Chain Lightning. The fmr Senator Brown is probably a crook and the voters of the Lincoln state have already passed judgment, but at least she should get a hearing. I'd say Clinton was playing B'rer Rabbit and the Briar patch with Jesse, but his blind man's golf and aimless wanderings have me wondering how long do you have to be exposed to the lead paint of the White House before Alzheimer's sets in. Another line in a litany of disgraceful verbal and video garbage spewed by Helms from the obscenely racist commercials against Harvey Gantt, fmr. mayor and revitalizer of Charlotte, in the last Senate campaign. In a previous Senatorial battle with Gov. Jim Hunt he even gratuitously implied the Gov. had homosexual leanings...yet Mr. Hunt has 2 children and Helms el zippo...Hmmmmmmmmm

Roy: 2 eponys in succession for Peter Gabriel...not to be outdone Genesis cranked one out in '84. REM released a collection of B-sides or something like that called "Eponymous" - gotta love the college crowd...lately John Mellencamp

Herm: I'm a big fan of Ten Summoner's Tales (recorded in the 90s!). It has an energy, tension, and oopmh a little lacking in the previous albums and certainly lacking since. It's a really tight fusion of jazz, soul, and rock with very good songs - not quite as strong as Nothing Like the Sun but close. The recording is a magnificent sonic powerhouse with a full production and careful attention to detail...but this close work didn't result in staleness. The album sound very lively with a nice band cohesiveness. It may be underrated if possible critically as the second half is stronger than the first half which had the 2 big hits. Seven Days is a wonderful pop recording as is It's Probably Me. Saint Augustine in Hell just grabs you by the throat - complex rhythms with a thunderos shifty beat...great tune and the key change for the chorus kills me. Even Love is Stranger Than Justice you think is a cowboy song - but the dang 4/7 time and the twists. No coasting near the finish with Shape of My Heart, Something the Boy Said, and Nothing 'Bout Me bring a jazzy warmth and depth. Surprised that it didn't garner the '93 Grammy (though I was pulling for Kama) over the inconsistent River of Dreams and the Whitney Houston movie thing (which unfortunately won). Whatever spunk I hear in TST, just escapes me on Mercury Falling. To me it sounds like new age Sting-by-numbers. You'll have to educate me on what I'm missing, although I do like the jumpy one note chorus for All 4 Seasons.

JWMalibu: You are correct, sir (impression of Phil Hartman doing Ed Macmahon). "The Beatles" was indeed intended to be an eponymous album. 'The White Album' is just a folk title that caught on.

Trebeck Jr. : I have it from someone who actually lived in the 1990's that Sublime and Blur (I don't know or care about Titanica, I mean Metallica) both had non-debut eponymous CD's. I also heard that Sublime has changed their name , which leaves the possibility of doing another eponymous CD.
For good debut albums in the 90's, there's also Gomez, Weezer, and the late Jeff Buckley (Tim's son).

The subject matter gets very diverse around here, doesn't it? Perhaps because this site is a bit like a church: We're trying to worship something that may or may not actually exist.

RS

Ole, put me in for March 11, my daddy's birthday, and one of the luckiest men alive, can't believe how many traffic violations he's talked his way out of.

UH OH....i think my eyes are beginning to close....i'm running off to bed quickly!!!!!!!!

Goodnight y'all!

Love Sting's new song, yes you have to listen to it a few times to appreciate it...

Ok, now i'm really leaving! night again!

StAL
My submission for the betting pool
February 29th...its the first leap day of the new Millinium

See ya at the gorge

And ... the correct response could also have been: from the 90's, Metallica and Sublime. Oh, whoops, I wasn't supposed to mention that decade here, was I?

Roy ~ Technically, the "White Album" was called "The Beatles"...close enough for rock n' roll?

I thought i`D mention that the Filmore (San Francisco) has a website worth checking out. The site offers Classic show posters, and shirts and hats, as well as a calender of coming attractions. I wonder why the SD site doesn`t offer merchandice, i`m sure it would get some business. BTW since we were on this Bay Area thing, what about Moby Grape? were they regional , or did their music have appeal outside of Frisco?

I heard an instrumental version of "Maxine" on the radio the other day; it was done with more care and respect than just another Muzak version and had some really good saxaphone. It wasn't identified at the time; would anyone happen to know it's origin?

Groups that made a real good debut album and an even better second album: Steely Dan wrote the book on that, but see also Ben folds Five and The Band (Music From Big Pink was good, but their self titled masterpiece was immortal). -- R&R Jeopardy for 200: What famous rock band besides The Band had an eponymous album that was not their debut?

RS

RE: Second Efforts: Joe Jackson's "I'm The Man" is like "Countdown To Ecstacy" -- no Top 40 hits, but a real good disc.

ole: Well said. "I love you baby, can I have some more..."

Dr. Mu: If have to disagree with you about, "Mercury Falling". I think that it's a very good album, but that may be because it
seems I like "Ten Summoner's Tales" more than you do. I feel that "Mercury" is an extention of the music he was making in "TST". Yes, the latter album may be a bit slower, but I think that musically it's still just as good as the former.
If you like the former, that is.

Later,

Herm

Herm: Oh yeah... the Stingster. Blue Turtles is a nice album. The title track (instrumental) is interesting - you can hear at the end Branford. Kirkland, and the rest cracking up at Sting. Evidently (I haven't seen any documentaries on this or watched/listened to them live recording) that Wynton's ex-band was constantly trying to disrupt Sting's over-serious attitude with practical jokes, etc. Nothing Like the Sun was a real breakthrough with Mr. Sting braking the shackles of terse modal melodies. a *tremendous* sophomore effort. Englishman in New York is as fine a pop recording as I've heard in many years. Then his parents perished and writer's block set in. Soul Cages is intersting, but I can't get through it all in one sitting. Ten Summoner's Tales was a bit of a comeback especially the last half: very solid. Unfortunately, Mercury Rising doesn't...zzzzzzzz...what I've heard of his "new one" has not interested me. Do I really have to give Senor Sting 5 chances? Given the last 2 by el Stingo maybe it's a good thing the Dan took so long????

Oleander: Stuck In Lodi is more than a song.. It's a way of life.. or anti-life..

Mitch: QMS 1st 2 albums define what the band was in the '60s..
Duncan was/is the driving force of that band.. He quit after New Years show '69, so they replaced him with Nicky Hopkins.. After a year he came back with Dino Valenti, a legend in his own mind..
Great songwriter, totally impossible to get along with.. Cippolina finally took an offer from Columbia to head up Copperhead around '71.. QS petered out after a few years..
Bill Graham wanted to put the original band back together & do Grateful Dead type tours with 'em, but that meant becoming a retro-band doing the same thing every show.. Not Acceptable.
(Pissed BG off mightily.. Big reason the new band hasn't got the bookings..)
"Peace By Piece" came out after Dino died, has Rick's great Mercury head cover, but a lawsuit bound everything up for years & Capitol cut & run, leaving this as The Lost Album..
Shape Shifter came out in '96.. It has developed a wierd urban legend about listening to it all the way through causing wierd dreams involving some of it's characters, like Steve McQueen. It's like a "movie for your ears".. A definitive Cult Album
Follwed by a Live At Fieldstone album featuring the latest line-up. The new band is a return to the jam-driven QS of old, only much more sophisticated & musically Excellent..
Gary Duncan-Lead guitar
Gregg Errico-drums
Tony Menjivar (of Malo & Santana)-congas/percussion
Michael Lewis (a little SD connection)-keyboards
Either Bobby Vega or Jimmy Guyette (John Lee Hooker)-bass
Bobby Stickland shows up more often than not on sax..
On occasion Dave Freiberg (orginal QMS & later Jeff. Starship) shows up to sing with his wife, Linda Imperial..
This band would be a great opening act for SD.. I'm afraid Politics wouldn't allow it, though..

Raising a glass object, & thinking of Rick & Diz & Murphy here, Boss..

Morning All,

Let us raise our glasses in celebration! Today is the anniversary of the birth of both John Birks 'Dizzy' Gillespie (1917), and the incredible tenor saxophonist Don Byas (1912).

Sting's 'Dream Of A Blue Turtle', was a very good debut for his solo career.

I would like very much to say Charlie Parker's first, or Frank Sinatra's first, but the fact is that back then there really was no such thing as a 12" LP. Songs came out on either 78's or on what we would now call 10" EP's. These songs were then compiled later onto LP's, which obviously were not recorded for the idea of putting them on an album. So, even though he had been recording for years previously; Frank's first studio album is 1954's "Swing Easy!". It is a great album, albeit a 10", eight song album. What makes it even greater is it's vision: Frank thought that instead of just throwing together any eight songs in random order, that it might make more sense to have a "Concept". So, his subsequent albums, "In The Wee Small Hours", "Songs For Young Lovers", "Songs For Swingin' Lovers", became the blue print for the modern day concept album. Like minded songs grouped together to set a particular mood or tell a certain story.

God, I love Sinatra! I can tell this is going to be a great weekend.

Later,

Herm

After seeing Santana's new album and single go to #1 this week, it gives me hope that SD's new one can be successful too!!

Vverry nice visual, Mr. Malibu.

http://www.thekatbox.com/casellastudio/gb.htm

Careful...you could inspire an old cat...

Soc: Can't believe there's another Gin Blossoms fan here...great power pop. The dark lyrics on some of the songs are lost underneath the lyrical Byrds/Beatles riffs...kinda like Nirvana without the mumbling.

The rare thing about the Dan is a great first album and an even better sophomore opus avoiding the slump. Sure, Rnady Newman had a great 2nd record, 12 songs after a mixed first effort. Criterion here is again a great debut. Ben Fold Five, Rikki Lee Jones, and Dire Straits come to mind as releasing 2nd albums even superior to their first. Communiqué was greeted with mixed response when it first came out, but I'm really fond of it's organic nature with lyrical and killer guitar runs - IMHO their best. It also benefits from a little less rhythm guitar by Mark Knopfler's brother, David. The opening of Once Upon a Time in the West is tense and fulfilling fulfilled by an awesome bass line. Great licks, hooks, and rhetoric on News, Where Do You Think You're Going, Communique, Lady Writer, Angel of Mercy, Portobello Belle and Single-Handed Sailor. I bet it was these performance that caught the ear of Walter and Donald as they plotted their torture for the unsuspecting Englishman.

Let's see, firsts. I'm repetitive. Rickie Lee, Joni Mitchell, Elvis Costello, Steely Dan, BFF, Joe Jackson--actually, I thought "Night & Day" was the first, but that's because it's the first one I heard, duh. Now Roy, I LOVED Disraeli Gears and Blind Faith, and Dylan's first had some of the immortals. Seconds: Dylan.

Speaking of Joe Jackson, has anybody listened to "Symphony # 1"? I like the 2nd movement. You can hear snatches of Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Philip Glass, and just a little taste of his Latin thang.

Saw some great music recently: Richard Thompson, Mr. Dark himself--in a small club so I could stand six feet away and watch his hands fly. I about had conniptions when he did "'52 Vincent." Bela Fleck and his bluegrass allstar band--I'm not a bluegrass fan, but talk about flying! These guys were incredible. I never GOT the dobro before, but Jerry Douglas took me there. Six guys, 33 strings--without looking at the album, who can guess the instruments?

Mr Chow--Thanx for that. Delightful.

Geena--You too. My day needed brightening. Give the Principessa a tickle for me.

Luckless--Hey man! Do you still have some beach left?

kd--like the stream of consciousness reportage.

Mr. Stew--You do get around. What's up with Costa Rica? It's supposed to be this lovely little democracy. Did the rich immigrants screw it up already?

jOkAh--Hokies and Stereolab. You are way complex. E me your new e!

Simon--Guess I need to pick a new specialty. Actually, I was referring to using other languages on the GB. Which I think is very cool. I don't understand what goes on in English a fair amount of the time anyway, especially when they're speaking Musician.

Just want to say, DAMN addiction! Damn the soul-shriveling, bile-spewing, creativity-sucking, hatred-and-fear-spawning, scorched-earthness of it that takes persons, peels off every human layer with excruciating, humiliating pain, and leaves nothing. Nothing.

www.thekatbox.com/casellastudio/quickric.htm

As I mentioned below, Quicksilver Messenger Service's original logo & album cover were designed by the late, great Rick Griffin ~ IMHO the best of the San Francisco psychedelic poster artists. RG also did a number of classic Family Dog posters, including six Quicksilver shows ~ all unique, intricate and beautiful...Take a lil' trip down memory lane at:

www.thekatbox.com/quickric.htm

Enjoy!

OMIO, That is quite a lineup on Shapeshifter, Steely Dan with Soul sounds like something worth looking for !What year was that released? The music reviewers say that the first two Quicksilvers LPS were classics, but after that strickly average.

Confused: I got a few minutes. What do you want to talk about?

Confused? Or just plain stupid? You be the judge...................................................................................................

confused- please look up^

I stumbled on this site trying to find a steely dan chat. any help where i might find one?

c

fezo: "much unlike the yuppie hell of Camden Yards." How right you are! Just saying it makes me feel like a snob. The only time it feels like home is during the 7th inning stretch - the fans still insist on Country Boy.

Hutch: sorry about the song. I know how you feel, I get an annoying ditty stuck in my head from time to time. Like right now I'm still hearing, "Thank God I'm a country boy..." Guess I'll go to the mirror and say "thanks!"

OMIO: You're cracking me up (2 years one night)! Didn't that CCR song about "stuck in Lodi again" seem to crop up a lot?

Stranger: I'm not exactly a farm girl - I'm just surrounded by farms and vinyards. And aggies. And peat dust. And cotton crops (with all the chemicals needed to harvest that) and cows, cows, cows. But I reap the benefits. I've never had so much delicious fresh produce all year round in my life!

YGK: I'm a pretty south of Stockton. But I travel thru on my way to SacOtomatoes. You must let me know when you're visiting your "bio mom." I'll come up & see ya if I can.

My fav debut album: Dreamboat Annie

rb

FEZO: how can you miss that shit? I'm trying to watch a little Wahoo ass getting kicked and all the TV cameras show is that old fart either pickin his nose or spitting. I mean, sure - that's probably more interesting than watching whatever is developing on the field.....but it's just as disgusting.

And what about the juries? hey, man, you can't prove anything; and we're pretty much clean this year.

Tell you what; Hokies go undefeated into the national championship, we have a DanFest at the Bowl they go to....!

RL Jones, great opener. Dig Danny's Allstar Joint.

What about follow up LP's? Who put out a good 1st and came thru with a killer 2nd?

How about live CD's? I'd say Peter Framp' has the corner on sales of a live lP. Some live CD's are great. Little Feat Wait'n For Columbus is pretty cool.

Yes, Monday night.

Any word on the new CSNY CD?

Correction: The Elvis Costello/Burt Bacharach special on Bravo is at 10:00 P.M. tonight Eastern time. Not 8:00 P.M. as I previously posted.

Anybody heard the new cd by John Paul Jones (Zep's keyboard/bassist)? I hear it's pretty good. Called "Zooma", I believe.

JWMalibu - Great cover art/title idea for the gb cd!

Hutch

JW: Wow, someone else who liked "I Can't Stand Still". It always seems to get lost amidst the more publicity (and sales) that Henley's subsequent two discs received but in my mind his first was always the best. Less loud and more lyrical but still with enough of the Henley bile to jar you off of the sofa . . . I knew a guy once who in a drunken stupor gave himself a concussion trying to dance to "Dirty Laundry" in the solace of his living room.

Ruby: Wasn't Memorial Stadium the best? I loved that place. No matter where you sat the fans were friendly; the crowds reacted to every ball and strike call, and the location was very cool, right in the middle of a neighborhood across from an abandonned school. Much unlike the yuppie hell of Camden Yards.

jOKer: You need a better way to amuse yourself watching the Hoo's play football than counting the times Welsh picks his nose. How about instead adding up the number of grand juries called in Blacksburg to investigate felonies committed by members of the football team?

Hey everyone,

Elvis Costello, yes!

Also: The Stone Roses (Stone Roses), Boston (Boston), the Sex Pistols (Nevermind the Bullocks...), 20/20 (20/20), Big Star (#1 Record), Joe Jackson (Look Sharp), Seahorses (Do It Yourself), Sugar (Copper Blue), Gin Blossoms (New Miserable Experience).

Many of my favorite groups or performers are not on this list because their first albums were not all that great. Now,I can think of dozens of even better 2nd or 3rd albums, but that's not the game. If I come up with any more debuts, I'll mention them.

Later,

Herm

FEZO: that's a Bachelor's degree in (wahoo) Ass-kicking. Nice to hear that UVA wanted to push their beating up a bit in the sched. to have it factor in more at the end of the year. Too bad Syracuse didn't show up for their game......

a HOKIE is a castrated tom turkey with an excellent freshman quarterback and the #1 ranked defense in the nation.

it is not a motto.
a motto is a saying; like "Anyone with a nose like Coach Welsh deserves to pick it 173 times during a nationally televised game."

SCAPULABOY: that's true. it does say the new Stereolab album sucks. what do YOU think of it? I find it inspiring: enough to make a site out of it: {http://www.blakedesign.com/stereolab]

pleeeeeease make the rain stop

...Uh, just go to www.MP3.com/quicksilver.. Play whatever you want right through your computer... Close Enuf For Jazz is good..

KD: If you want to get into Quicksilver, go for the first album first.. Then Happy Trails w/Who Do You Love & Mona..
The band changed after that, Brought in Dino, "What About Me?", "Fresh Air" era.. 2 best songs from that band are Doin' Time In The USA & Gypsy Lights.. QS also hooked up with Michael Lewis at this time, who was a mixing engineer on Aja, produced David Benoit, did music for "In Search Of", etc.. he has some great Aja stories.. His eyes still glaze over.. The QS camp are big SD fans..

BUT, if you really want the Good Stuff, get Shape Shifter...
This album should have been nominated for Best Album Of The Year.
Double disc, 28 songs, unbelievable range of styles.. Musicians include Gregg Errico (Sly's drummer), Bobby Vega, Lee Oskar, Norbert Stachel (now lead sax w/ Tower Of Power).. it's available from their website, but there are very few copies left in print. One review called it 'Steely Dan with Soul" (Audiophile Magazine).. "Big Bright Street" makes the case for that remark..

Ruby & YGK: I spent 2 years in Stockton one night... Peat dust & aggies from Lodi.. oh my! Dave Brubeck graduated from U of Pacific, non? Used to be a booming business in Govt. Speed boosted from Rough & Ready Island during the war... Lil' green caps were Everywhere!

Hutch; E-mail me!

has anyone besides me checked out sting's latest offering "brand new day"? it may take a few spins before it starts to grow on ya, took me about 5 listens to warm up...it's currently residing in that weird and important position of singular disc in permanent loop mode on my changer.

"a thousand years" (which is officially my anthem for the new millennium) gets my vote for best track...however, "big lie small world" is a very close second.

Rikki Lee Jones, Santana, Hendrix and Chicago are my bids for best debuts. I dont think that Birth of the cool is the debut of Miles but whatever the record was his debut must be included.

For an interesting experience try listening to side 2 of Abbey Road (from 'You never give me your money')as a soundtrack to Princess Di's accident.

Someone mentioned Crowded House -has anyone heard of Split Enz debute -Mental Notes - based on Mervyn Peake's "Titus Groan" ?
How about the first Shakti album?

JW,

I wrote that but Audrey is still as odd as ever.

Ruby Baby,
You're a farm girl originally from Baltimore who's a Dan Fan? Doesn't compute but I like it.

OMIO, JWMalibu et al,
No, I didn't really think Who Do You Love was SUPPOSED to be originally about the Manson Family, but it was. Sometimes people become temporary oracles. I remember Dylan released a song with the lyrics "Fires burnin' in the ground" about a year before Saddam set fire to Kuwait's wells. I've been around this galaxy a long time and I've seen some weird stuff out there.

David in Fla. Room,
I saw the Beach Boys 2 or 3 times at Padres games. It was an annual event until they got too coked up to find San Diego.

I had mentioned a while back that I was intrigued by the photograph on the cover of Danny Gatton's 88 Elmira Street album, which depicts a row of 19th-century houses and a large farmhouse. While I had the rental car last weekend, I had the opprotunity to do a little field work. I drove down to Elmira Street SW - it's located in a neighborhood called Far Southwest which is on the east side of the Anacostia River. I learned that none of the buildings in the photograph are still in existence - even that block of Elmira Street no longer exists - the lowest numbered block is now the 200 block. The north-south-running street with the rowhouses no longer exists, either. But the open land and the trees are all still there, as part of a park on the site of one of the forts built to protect Washington during the Civil War (or the War of Northern Aggression, as it's often called among Southerners). Curiously, there are no buildings in the area from the same period as the rowhouses in the photograph - they must have stood alone for many years; they were probably built by a developer who hoped more people would move to the neighborhood and who must have been sorely disappointed, since the other buildings in the area date from no earlier than the 1930s. That whole area is quite attractive, with some pretty houses and lovely, big, old trees.

KD, yoor posts would be OK if they didin't happen every five fucking seconds.

Here's the info on the GB Compilation Album ~

http://www.thekatbox.com/casellastudio/gb.htm

Five musical artists and counting...Edd, Midnite, et al ~ we're countin' on your submissions ~ we've got 74 minutes of CD time!

Also, still looking for the author of "Audrey in Chameleon Change" below ~ I like your style and would like to set those lyrics to music....

KD ~ I like your posts as well, keep 'em comin'...

JW

Big Star's first, "#1 Record"

Well Oleander,
it was leave Alaska or put a bullet through my brain. Leaving wasn't as messy. Costa Rica had loomed large in my green- starved psyche for years. So there I went, saw, and might go back to teach at Escazu Country Day School, which is South of San Jose and which has some strange tie to "Aja" (this also a product of a starved psyche). I guess I'd like to find a place where they just don't care. Though they seem to if you drive a mercedes. Will gaurd it for you while you shop. High price gaurd carries pistol, low end carries a whittled tree branch. A funny place.

By the way, fine lyric interpretation page.

Mr. Stewart

KD et al.: First rate debuts are more rare than I imagined. As Roy and other have mentioned The Nightlfy immediately comes to mind. But for many even solid debuts are followed my more successful (artistically) albums later on such as Randy Newman. RLJ's first is nice, but isn't Pirates a fuller statement? - and a great sound...what about laura Nyro's Eli and the 13th Confession.

Dire Straits first one is really solid also. I'm not sure if there's a better first debut minute (on Down to the Waterline) in the rock annals. Certainly, no debut album has made as much of an impact as the Doors first except for Hendrix' Are You Experienced (any mention yet?) - what a journey...But still not as revolutionary as Miles Davis' Birth of the Cool.

Elvis Costello, Talking Heads - you all are taking me back. Has anywone mentioned REM's "Murmur" yet with Radio Free Europe and Talk about the Passion?

On the other hand, many would argue that Michael Franks has yet to top his first one, "Art of Tea" though I believe that Abandoned Garden, Blue Pacific, and Passionfruit come close. It's hard to top though rhyming "scallions" and "Italian" on the classic "Eggplant."

Roy beat me to the punch for Ben Folds Five. Rumor has it that they are in the recording studio now laying down a cover of "Barrytown" for a movie soundtrack or something.

Honorable mentions: The Pretenders, The Records (best bubblegum album ever with great guitar runs by Huw Gower produced by the likes of Mutt Lange and Tim Friese-Greene of Talk Talk fame), Crowded House' solid debut (although Temple of Low Men and Together Alone are far superior).

RS:

thanks, I appreciate it. I wanted to write a ton more, but we needed a generic obit for the site to put up the day of his death so I stuck to the easy stuff. My articles have been few and far between since I've been sick the last month or so. As I'm sure you guys know, I don't know when to shut up, so the last few weeks at OnHoops have been pretty atypical...anyway, thanks

didn't that RL Jones first album set the world on fire? Never heard it. Has she disappointed since then in the eyes of you guys? The only album I've heard is 'Pop Pop', which is the one after the WB one.

Great version of 'Who Do you Love' is by Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks/Band...great Robbie Robertson solo

Yeah Baller, post again...just drop the shit about the N-word, making fun of Jews, and calling all of us assholes and jackasses, repeatedly-wait, lessee, no, don't do that again. My bad.

If I wanna get into Quicksilver, what should I start off with? The amp set up was purty cool, in all it's analog glory

Just received the 8/74 Rolling Stone from ebay that has an SD cover story. Real cool, focuses a bit too much on the Burroughs connection, but did a good job by paying the most attention on Walter and Donald instead of doing the democratic thang...

KD: Good words on Wilt Chamberlain. One of the greatest athletes ever. Even with all the hyberbole about him, I still consider him underated as a basketball player; probably because of all the Russel/Celtics hyperbole. Did you hear the interview with Red Aeurbach after Wilt's death? He still wouldn't give him his due.

My favorite debut album by far: Donald Fagen's Nitefly (theoretically a debut). -- Honorable mentions: Ben Folds Five, Chicago Transit Authority, The Cars, Carole King, Hendrix, Becker, Sanford-Townsend Band.

Disappointing debut albums: Cream, Bob Dylan, Little Stevie Wonder, Blind Faith.

RS

RLJ debut is great. Of course, I now must knee-jerk into giving my rave of the album Walter produced for her, 1989's "Flying Cowboys." For me, it was a great lead-in to 11TOW.

Notable Debut:

Rickie Lee Jones.

Pinned my ears right back.

Ruby - Damn! Now that Green Acres song is running through my head. Thanks a LOT!
They can't fire you for taking off work to go to a baseball game. It would be un-American. That sort of thing is therapeutic.

KD - yep... Those Hellecaster boys are pretty amazing. Makes me wanna just go ahead and burn my guitar and get it over with.
CSN's first was on my short list too.

Hutch

RubEEE: where are you in Central Valley? bio mom is in Stockton....

ygk

Stranger: I'm not in LA. I'm way out in the Central Valley. FaaaAArm livin is the life for me! But I feel most of the quakes anyway - I'm smack in the middle. Hey, the next time I'll be in or even near LA I'll let you know. Then we can know the exact time & date we won't be doing lunch.

And they can have their box seats and fancyschmancy restaurants. Some of the best times in my life have been spent walking from car to stadium/ stadium to car. I like being surprised about where I'll be sitting and I become quite fond of the characters around me (with a few exceptions).

Although once, my dad invited me to an Orioles pennant game at the last minute. (I would've given anything to be with my busy, busy, never-around dad) It was a Friday and I was due to wait tables at the Crab House that night, so I called in sick. Memorial Stadium was totally sold out. Who ended up sitting next to us but the owner's son (with whom I had a stormy love/hate thing going) & some regulars from the bar I sometimes tended. I was sure my waitressing career was over...but not one of them said a word. And the Orioles won...

rb

JWMalibu: I think I posted this before, but Rick Griffin's last cover was for Quicksilvers "Peace By Piece".. A T Shirt featuring that cover, with the original QMS logo lettering is available from the QMS website.. Very rare items, be the first one on your block.. www.penncen.com/quicksilver

Who Do You Love was written by one Ellis McDaniels, AKA Bo Diddly.. I'm not aware of any connection to Manson & Co..
If you really want to know, ask Duncan at VUDU1@aol.com...
he'd be interested in the latest interpretation, fer sure..
Tell him the Old Man In Oregon sent ya.. It's cool, really.

Cold Blood! Yowza, what a band.. "Valdez In The Country" from the First Taste Of Sin album is just So Baaad... some of those guys ended up in Pacific Brass & Electric a few years ago..
(goodie for them).. Lydia Pense... mmmmm...... Better than Janis Joplin, y'know..

If you can ever find an album called "Lights Out San Francisco", it has Tower Of Power, Cold Blood, & lots of other Bay Areans playing some of the best stuff.. There is a move to re-release this on CD.. check out Tower Of Power site for details.. www.bumpcity.com

One other bit of QS trivia.. John Cippolina's bizarro amp stack is the first thing you see when you enter the R&R HOF.. Which will never induct QMS, or The Ventures, or Steely Dan..
But.. Billy Joel Rox!

Pompe is doing fine as well. He roughed out a long weekend of filming for his new feature-length vehicle, "Explosion of Pompeii" co-starring the "Swedish Linda Lovelace", Olga Swallows. It is expected to garner the coveted 3 Penii Award at the Stockholm Festival of Porn, and features a soundtrack by Sweden's Stoveltramp, available soon on MasterRace Records.

Schwinn- You know, that's true. Clas and St.Al are both dorks! I'm sorry, that's "King St.Al"

Ahhhh, "Suavecito". One of the best latin pop tunes to ever grace the airwaves... Just the name sends a warm breeze blowing thru my hair...

On Quicksilver Messenger Service...I saw them with Santana,Malo (Carlos' Brother Georges' Band) and Cold Blood (with Lydia Pense) at Jack Murphy Stadium in '70 I think it was.
As I recall, The Padres were so weak back then,they gave us free concerts after the game. The catch was you had to sit thru the Game to see the Concert. D

A Hokie is a castrated turkey; a very fitting school motto if you ask me

QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE? CLAP FOR THE WOLFMAN and DON'T CALL US, WE'LL CALL YOU?

God damn! Strokes of GENIUS!

If only they would have teamed up with SWEET!

Next time I'll inform Clas of the golden ratio between codeine and vodka. Then the world will be safe and secure for everyone plus no cussing or nazi references.

You know, there's not much difference between St. Al and Clas...

And every little dot
hits every little spot

like seurat

can i interest you in dvd?

Phshaww,

ET

Stranger/Omio ~ Yes, that first Quicksilver album kicked ass..."Pride of Man" is a SF rock classic! Who could forget the forboding black & silver album cover with the archetypal Rick "surfin' mystic" Griffin lettering...RG also did a number of Quicksilver Family Dog/Fillmore concert posters ~ all classics!

omio,
Excellent, someone who remembers Qicksilver. Do you remember 'Who Do You Love,'a song about the Manson family that was released BEFORE the Tate-La Bianca murders? Eerie.

Also, big new Staples Center opened last night in L.A. Cost the owners $400K. Home of the Lakers, Clipper, and hockey Kings. The place is based on one idea: There are two kinds of people, the ultra-rich and the swine. The former not only get special seating (some in luxury boxes rented for hundreds of thousands), but their own restaurants and lounges and areas which allow them to never have to mix with the swine. And of course they park right in the building, not four blocks away like the swine. If you ever had the mistaken belief we lived in a democracy, this place would set you straight.

Joker: The Hokies have had great teams for several years and I wish you all the best. However, there's always Nebraska and Penn St. to contend with. BTW, what is a Hokie? An Okie with a silent "H"?

Doin' it for Mamma,

The Cap'n

Hey, JOkEr--what do you think of Stereolab's newest one? There's a review at www.pitchforkmedia.com, which says it sucks.

Later,

Scapie

David - Cool! I'll visit the website and order it - I'm really looking forward to hearing it.

JW - Thanks for your kind and generous offer to make the GB CD available to us. It will be great to hear the works of our illustrious musicians.

JWMalibu- I'll contribute a track to your GB compilation..."And If the folks will have me ,then they'll have me..."

Also , My CD is in fact finished and being pressed in Orlando. I hope some of you folks will be pleased,should you choose to part with $10 to own one .
Jeez ,JW... you're making me feel bad for selling them when you intend to give yours away.
I did include a Steely Dan reference on the cover art, for the enjoyment of my GB friends.(cover can be seen on my site)
It's not "the" new one ,but it's "a" new one.

Please order from my website anytime after Nov. 1st
www.davidmooremusic.com
I personally guarantee prompt delivery.

David

I can think of only one debut album to nominate, since I don't listen to much popular music - Aztec Camera, a wonderful Scottish band from the early 1980s. I think it was their only album, but it was delightful - I don't remember what the album was called, but the single was From Pillar to Post. One of these days, I'll do some research to see if I can track the album down somewhere - I hope to find a cassette version so I can listen to it.

jOker: That's a Bachelor in Agriculture, right?

Hmm, haven't seen Clas around all weekend. What do you make of that? Guy spends all day Friday threatening people, then runs and hides like a scared animal when they respond.

my alma mater is breakin out an aerosol can of whoop-ass this year..... who wants a whippet?

GO HOKIES!

Keep posting, Baller.

-A friend.

Dipshitz: Have all you lazy, pretentious underachievers forgotten that my hubby's debut has outsold every rock album except "Dark Side of the Moon," and "The Eagles Greatest Hits," has held up better than any of that crap, AND that it was a genre-defining moment in music besides? Wize-up!

AND a BIG p.s. As luckless pedestrian suggested, the amusement of the perverse ineffeciency that is 'The Order of Posts' has long ago worn off. As I said: Wize-up!

JW: any chance of getting it today through rep@huntergallery.com?

I could send it out tonite -

ygk

heck, who says we have to stop at four? Who says that people still say 'heck?'

rb: what I meant by the 'no bra' thing, while tasteless, was that the cast members seemed to be going w/out. It wasn't a comment on Ms. Titus' attire, if'n anyone was confused by that.

It turns out that the song she sang was co-written by Al Kooper, nice rhythmic keyboard lick, so you can see where he came from.

Some more debuts?

Jeff Beck Group: 'Truth'
Paul Butterfield Blues Band's first
CSN's first

and maybe the best of the bunch: The Cars debut album.

I remember Arc Angels, I think. When I was 12 or 13, was Doyle Bramhall or his son in the band? Good stuff, not regular black and white blues. Urban R+B expanded.

Hutch:

bought my dad The Return of the Hellecasters for his birth day in '95 or '96, and it's one of his favorite driving-around albums. A great album even for non guitar players like my dad.

I get Bravo back home but not on the campus cable system, that BB/Elvis album put out a few years back is nothing short of amazing. Just wonderful pop, with no sign of the dark side that saturates our favorite two's pop. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

does anyone have a dictionary to look up aggrandizement, as in self-aggrandizement?

Really, I made it all up.

My four ~

"Freak Out"/The Mothers of Invention
"Outlandos d'Amour"/The Police
"The Doors"/The Doors
"I Can't Stand Still"/Don Henley

Malcolm ~ I'll e-mail you that addy when I get home from work...

We've got three songwriter/composers submitting to the GB CD so far...please, if you're interested in getting your music out to your fellow GBrs, drop me an e-mail at JWMalibu@msn.com. I'm picking up the tab for the CDs ~ an early holiday gift to my beloved GBrs!

The story wasn't a lie, assholes. That was the honest to God truth, no embellishments or deviations whatsoever. Nothing other than the true names of the people in the story were omitted. You're just jealous, you old bastards. Man, I wish I could show you a picture of this little slut. She's pretty enough to be a God damned model or something. Built like a freaking little baby with these pretty small little hands and tiny fingers like a newborn child. Anyway, I find nothing wrong with my story. I think Don and Walt would enjoy it personally. We have a truly Steelyish Danish tale here. There's Cuervo, drugs, a girl slithering like a snake, a dark club filled with smoke, sex with a 19 year old. Goddamn, the story sounds like something straight out of a Steely Dan song, for Jesus' sweet sake. And I'm living the song, for Madre Maria's sake. Well, anyway, I don't care if you believe me or not. It was a good time, and I figured I'd break the monotony of your usual boring, catatonic posts with a spicy little autobiographical gem of a tale. I'm telling you, assholes, what a night. I couldn't have even imagined a better night. OK, see you later, jackasses.

Oh, I forgot another great debut album:

Nassau, by The Sea and Cake

JW: need an address sans PO box for Fedex....

ygk

Ooops. "The Stamp Album" wasn't even close to the CBB's first album. Prolly closer to their last...

Never mind.

Janis Joplin - "Cheap Thrills"
Climax Blues Band - "The Stamp Album"

4 albums? Well, hmmm... Gotta agree with some fellow GB posts..

The Doors: Still a great Listen.. Even my kids think it's a great album..

Quicksilver Messenger Service: The most Mysterious & Mystical of all the SF bands, who could out-jam the Grateful Dead (early on, anyway).. Gold & Silver remains a Secret Weapon for DJs, this song never fails to generate phone calls from blown-away listeners.. Other songs by Hamilton Camp & Dino Valenti, each of them gems.. & Gary Duncan has evolved into one of the best guitarists most folks have Never heard..

Loosen Up Naturally-Sons Of Champlin: Was there ever a better whole side than "Freedom"? Haven't found it yet.. Luckily, these guys are still playing shows, but it's a rare treat.. Terry Haggerty's guitar work is another point worth mentioning..

Chicago Transit Authority: Fred Catero's use of EQ & Levelers made a black spaghetti nightmare of the patchboard & produced the best bass & drum sounds on vinyl, Ever! Really scarey rendition of The Whole World Is Watching, too...

4 just ain't enuff..

Debut LP's:

The Doors
Lone Justice
Prince
Don Henley
Donald Fagen

St Al: Make it fun to read? What do you suggest? More haiku? Creative expressions of our displeasure with Clas? Guestbook Twister?

JWMalibu: You should have your copy tomorrow AM.....

ygk

Oh and one more thing Baller, check the weanie for any rashes, or communicable diseases. You really are an idiot!

I though that Walter and Donald were just jerking us with the new one on their site. however we now know how many songs, that one of them is Jack of speed and that we can expect Walter to be singing on this thing. Bettter than we had before!

jk

Howard, AOL would not let me on your site!

so then you're a liar and a jackass Baller, right?

Nice article on Larry Carlton.
http://www.seattlep-i.com:80/pop/jazz15.shtml

St. Al - did you go??

The story below NEVER HAPPENED. Its a lie.

Baller - Nobody here is interested in your adolescent shit. Grow up and get a life sonny boy.

H

Hey Baller, after reading that horseshit of yours below, it's quite obvious who the jackass/asshole is.

Later,

Well, I see you assholes are still diddling around expungiating about a couple of old post-hippies who've got at least seven toes a piece in the grave. They're washed up, sad old men now....burnt out, depressed. Of course, their music is great but doesn't it get boring rehashing, over and over until there's nothing more to talk about? I've seen topics appear and reappear several times over the years. I've seen alternate versions of the same topic, repackaged to look like something completely new and exciting to babble on and on about. I've seen dicussions of lyrics and their meanings, rumors about "Don" or "Becker" or whatever you want to call them. This shit is just about been used up to it's full limit don't you jackasses think?

Anyway, this isn't my original point that I came to make. I really just wanted to tell you fucks about my weekend. It was the true American weekend--chock full of all that's good about America: batchelor parties, strippers, drugs, booze, sex. A truly glorious weekend it was, you faggetasses fucks. We organized the batchelor party for a good close friend of mine. It started out with a few shots of our old friend Cuervo. Then someone said "call Joe." Joe is the local coke dealer. We procured a sizely amount of the fine drug and commenced "a-sniffing." Then we decided we'd try to phone a couple of strippers to come spark up the party. As the night wore on, more people showed up with extra booze and other party favors. We finally located a stipper named 'Niki'. After making the call, 'Niki' and her friend, 'Lola' showed up. They were two Negresses. N was overweight and short and quite unnattractive. L was tall, slender, and a fine Nubian princess. She was also very sweet, but N had the normal African American woman syndrome: an overactive attitude. She said that she and her friend were charging 150 smackeroos apiece. I knew my friend, the batchelor, was adamantly averse to black women, and decided I'd have to get these black bitches out of the apartment. We had originally told N and L that there would only be four guys at the party. There were, of course, many more than that. N said something along the lines of, "weeellll, ya'll sedt they'd only be fo' fellas up in huyeah. We gonna need mo' moneh." I said, "listen, if you don't like it then leave, OK? Get the hell out!!" She tried to ask for 50 bucks just for showing up, and I told her that she hadn't done anything and to fuck off. The vile, foul beasts finally left, praise Jesus. We realized that we'd have to switch to plan B instead. Here was the plan: go to a local strip bar, and find a stripper there who would surely take around 100 bones to come back to the apartment. My idea was simply that this type of stripper would more likely be drunk, and possibly easy to lay. A simple plan is always the best. Boy was I right!! But I'm getting off track here. OK, so we went to the strip club, wired to the teeth. God's teeth, as old Donleavy always said. It was crowded, about 12:45am, chicks everywhere. We grabbed a few tables and started slamming the overpriced, watered down swill that they tried to pass off as alcohol. No girls were visiting our table at all for the first fifteen minutes. I decided the fuck with that, and went on a recruitment mission. Everyone else was nervous, paranoid from sniffing the horridly wonderful drug. I was just too drunk to care, and also dosing myself every few minutes in the bathroom, high as a kite. I walked up to an especially sleezy looking whorebitch and invited her over to the batchelor's table, slipping her a twenty for the trouble. Only after first accosting her did I realize that she had extremely fucked up teeth. It looked like her mouth was an eggbeater or something. I sure wouldn't want to get blown by this one, might get recircumcised free of charge, all expenses paid. Although, K9, as I like to refer to her, did have the mals aux dents, she would have to do for now. I went back to the table to watch the saucy little toothmonster do her tricks. She was doing OK, showing my buddy a great time. She would not do for our afterparty plans. I wanted to find a cuter girl, and also a girl who I might be able to fit into my own plans for the night. Enter Star. I was on another recruitment mission, stalking out the sluts. I saw her standing up on the stage in front of a couple of friends. She was cute as a button, with a beautiful face, perfect smile, and the dimples of a young child. I gallantly strode up to her, pushing between my two friends and fellow partiers to accost the fine specimen. She was very agreeable to my plan, and accepted my offer of a mere 100 clams, payable upon performance. Well, soon afterward, the sleezy little place closed down, and all the lights came on, exposing the utter seediness of the joint. Star was nowhere to be seen. I decided we'd have to hang around in front to wait for her. Thank Jesus, Mary, and Joseph we did. Here she came, a true beauty. Blonde hair, green eyes, petite, precious. I would have to take this one home with me after the show. I must have her. Yes, yes, she would do nicely. Yes, Star, you WILL come to my house. You WILL screw me silly. You WILL shower with me, and shave me in the morning, and make breakfast for me. You WILL clean my house. Forgive me, I digress. So, the beautiful Star of my eye told us that she needed to go home and that she would call us when she got home to ask for directions. Of course, all the guys said she'd never call, and that we should just give up on the whole fiasco. I assured them that my heavenly little gem would call, and she did, right on cue. A few minutes later she arrived and not too long after that she began stripping down, shaking her sweet ass. I felt my salivary glands kick into overdrive watching the cute little tail wagging. She was like a snake, slithering, sliding, tempting me to take a bite of her apples. Of course we had a Hi8 camera there to record the whole event for posterity. Star did a wonderful job for us. Each time she grew tired, we allowed her to sit down for a moment to catch her breath, take a quick sniff of the magic powder, and blammo she would be back up dancing like a Persian harem girl. I finally told her that she would be required to give me a dance as well, and sat down next to the batchelor. She jumped over on my lap and began gyrating, pulsating, squirming like a schoolchild with ADD, on top of me. Such a cute little thing, sexy as a pussycat. I realized that this fine baby could only be 18 or so, maybe less. She claimed 19, and I was OK with that, I had to be. Star finally did her last dance for the batchelor and then turned off the music signalling the end of the show. I had to bust everyone's balls to get them to choke up the dough, but finally they did. My little hookergirl had got her cash, and she had a devious grin on her angelic face, as if she'd played a little joke on all of us. She had, on everyone but me. I would get my 15 bucks worth out of her if no one else did. By God, I would get more than 15 smackers out of her, if you know what I mean. So I coaxed the sinful stripper back to my abode and sat her in the living room, playing a couple of tunes for her. Then I said, hey, why don't you come back to the bedroom for a bit. She did, and the rest, well, you guys know what happened. She didn't leave me until 11:00 o'clock at night, tonight, the next day. The little hottie left me sated and thoroughly exhausted. Every muscle in my body is aching right now. This little girl is trained in the Kama Sutra, I think. She is an acrobat, a God damned trapeze artist, for Jesus's sweet sake. Jesus God, I love you. Thank you for bringing this little gift to me, Lord. Praise be to heaven for your kind deeds, God, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Well, I guess this is the end of my tale, here, you jackasses. The tale of truly American proportions. Yes, my friends. Only in America, the land of the free, can such a wonderful feat be accomplished so easily, and cheaply...effortlessly. I wish you could see my little beauty--Star. Such a cute little thing, and God I hope she's not actually 16. Please God, don't let her be jailbait. I've got to go now, assholes, and say my prayers. Oh, God help me, you jackass assholes.

One last thing: Four best debut albums:

This Way Out, by Idaho.
Down Colorful Hill, by Red House Painters.
Blue Lines, by Massive Attack
Burning Down the Nigger Church, by The Asshole Babies {I made that one, up, jackasses--just for fun, you stupid fucks}.

sorry stranger. the only vaccine is MOVING to a place far away from PLATE TECTONICS and SUBDUCTION ZONES.

greatest debuts? well there's

Montrose "Montrose" (a young sammy hagar screaming his guts out)
Boston "Boston" (brad delp hitting impossible high notes)
Aerosmith "Aerosmith" (dream on is a classic, bar none)
Kiss "Kiss" (guess you should have seen the '75 - '76 shows)
Yes "Fragile" (anyway, this was the first I'd heard of them)

yea, i like steely dan because of all those POWER CHORDS!

Ruby Baby,
You're in L.A. too? Talk to me, baby. Let's both say we'll do lunch sometime just so we can never get around to it, which of course is the L.A. thing to do.

KD,
Sorry, I don't remember you. I must have killed those brain cells last night with that second scotch. So start all over again with aclean slate.

Altamira,
I don't think it's up to the city government to make people rich. It's just supposed to collect garbage, fight crime and do stuff like that. Besides, if the people on the wrong side of the Anacostia had any gumption, they'd go out and inherit 2 or 3 billion like Steve Forbes did.

Y'all asked about favorite non-Dan debut albums.

I'll have to ditto what a couple of you already said re Elvis Costello's debut.

I'd also pick TALKING HEADS '77 (that Psycho Killer was so refreshing when it first hit).

(Funny, I do seem to have a thing for songwriters with brilliant, cerebral lyrics, and non-pretty but compelling singing voices.)

Other than that, I'm wracking my brains, but my other favorite performers first albums didn't turn me on nearly so much as their later efforts.

A random additional thought:

once, a friend of mine and I were deep in one of those really neat conversations about popular music. He put forth what I'm gonna call the Five Album Theory: that even the absolute best groups and performers in the world could manage a maximum of five truly great albums before they either broke up, melted down, or underwent such a drastic rearrangement as to constitute an entirely different band. I think I immediately tried to shoot a hole in that theory by bringing up the Dan, but of course he pointed to the "drastic rearragement" clause of his theory. I grudgingly allowed him that. I also pointed out that, yeah, the Dan went through their famous transformation to a duo, but even though the sound evolved accordingly, there was still a logical progression of that evolution that gave the Dan a unity unlike some other groups that did sudden overnight tranformations of their sound.

I'm wondering if anyone else has heard this theory, or whether you think it's interesting, or just whacked, or what.

Regards,
The duck

(Still interested in hearing from fellow Danfans in the Seattle area)

Chicago - Chicago
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
Stevie Ray Vaughan - Texas Flood
The Hellecasters - Return of The Hellecasters
(Odd title but really was the first album)

KD - Roger on that E.Costello! This Wednesday night on the Bravo cable channel Costello and Burt Bacharach in concert. I think it starts at 8:00 Eastern time. The man is a truly great singer IMO.
By the way, I really enjoyed your Libby Titus post.

Hutch

KD....you ask for one and give us four....it's hard to narrow it to one so I'll go with four also.

Arc Angels - their only album.
Eric Johnson - Tones (first release on a major label)
Dire Straits - Dire Straits
Counting Crows - August And Everything After

there are so many more but these were the first four to come to mind that really grabbed me.

MC

thanks to everyone for their kind words...

Here's a question to ponder while we're waiting for the New One: excluding CBaT, what's everyone's favorite debut album?

My list would have to include Elvis Costello's first album, the Flying Burrito Brothers first one, the Band's first, and 'Please Please Me'

any thoughts?

Ruby - I didn't mean to neglect you; I just didn't know that you live in California. I'm glad the earthquake didn't have any bad consequences for you.

KD - Good to see you back! I had missed your posts. I always enjoy reading what you write - you have some unique insights and a fresh perspective. And I don't think people here hate you.

Regarding Libby Titus - I didn't have much time to explore that website since I was at work; I'll have to spend more time perusing it. Maybe now that Fagen has finished the New One, he and Titus could record something together - perhaps Amy Helm could sing back-up. It might be a fun family project, or maybe it might not be such a good job for them to mix business and pleasure, but Fagen and Titus seemed to work together well on NYR&SR, so maybe they might enjoy doing an album together.

It is interesting. This GB has been lumbering along for over 4 years now. Every now and then someone gets out the big stick and stirs the pot. Kinky, Gaucho, Clas, Yours Truly, and a host others I can't remember. Then everyone, predictably, jumps in and starts flinging shit around the room in an effort one-up the next person.

I love a good battle of wits, but this last tirade is just that. Fuck YOU! NO, FUCK YOU...... ZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Come boys and girls. At least make this fun to read.

Clas -- YOUR MOTHER WEARS ARMY BOOTS!

StAl

Altamira: I'm sorry that a funeral was part of your yesterday. But thank God for those - it's a way of officially saying goodbye. I've been fortunate so far, very few funerals in my life.
And hey, did you forget about me? That trembler woke me up, too. But I didn't know what it was. Nicky & I were awake for 2 hours after that.

KD: You're post was almost poetic (don't worry - not in a sissy way). I love your observations about Libby Titus and no they didn't wear bras much back then. (they're regreting that now unless they've had some cosmetic surgery)
"I think they might be editing Miss Titus for Andy Kaufman,
which is about right because he
's fucking genius." (I don't understand, but I like it)
bottom line - good writer/loveable kid/liberal with the libations (maybe)/a worthy danfan for sure

rb

Hmm. This looks like a quaint little place to spend some time. My mind is in a constant flux. Welcome to my neurosis!

Clas - I'm mentioning your family.

Hurt me baby, or whoever the "NOT me" is.

Clas=transparently needy individual

Clas were you neglected as a child?

Saw Santana last night - he's old and still doing the same shtick(sp),
but no one can do it like Carlos - Viva le Carlos!!

Where's the aspirin.....

KD - I don't know why you think everyone hates you. "The American Clas"... I don't THINK so!

Luckless Pedestrian - Your comments are slightly amusing. I disagree with you however. Believe me... this board would be just as interesting without Clas.

Are there any musicians on the board who would be interested in putting together a "Best of the gb Musicians" CD? This has been briefly discussed before. I'm all for it. I've got a couple of instrumental compositions that I'm in the process of remixing. They would be perfect for this kind of project. I've spoken with JWMalibu about this and he's in. Anybody else interested?

Hutch

1. inhale to the count of three. through the nose. ready. 1, 2, 3.

2. hold. on my count exhale to the count of three. ready. 1, 2, 3.

3. repeat three times.

4. now buy a black light bulb from Spencers at the mall. ready. 1, 2, 3.

5. don't forget a poster!

Very Good!

Dear all - Further to yesterday's post, I have just heard from Rob Mounsey who also mentioned his latest album in collaboration with Steve Khan. The sound clips to "You Are Here" are available on Steve's site and the music sounds excellent. These guys have produced some great work over the years and this sounds like another one to have in the collection.

FanofDan - Was that a coincidence or what? I thought that looked like your car today, and then we saw Dan waving. Ended up in Gerroa. Great views of Seven Mile Beach. Also, I have contacted 2Vox FM, and it sounds very encouraging. Mr Chow presenting Steely Dan to enraptured audiences could be happening very soon.

damn...please, someone post on top of me, unless you find this....well, find it (something)

yeah, so, said I'd never post again because everyone here seems to hate me...hate to go over the top of Luckless Pedestrian, who seems to be a returning giant who everyone reveres...Anyway, everyone seems to regard me as that stupid drunk kid

I'm watching Libby Titus' performance on SNL, I made a point of starting the tape before I left here tonight...on the old SNL..Hugh Hefner (Chicago native) hosting...So, this summer, I searched her and found her at The Band's homepage (I tink) that another more esteemed memper of the GB talked about earlier

all I have to say is, back when this show meant something...back when it made an impact..before I was born

So, yeah, I saw and heard her at the Band's website (isn't that 2nd album as good as anything you've ever heard??), doing a promo interview with Chevy Chase, she is, another damn Dan connection...

for little girls get bigger every day

SO she has the white afro that we've all seen on the album cover..thoughts about her include:

she knows how to rhyme

the female Boz Scaggs, latter day version?

Seeing two of her right now, but that's not Libby's fault

wearing men's clothes, before Annie Lennox made it popular.....again

Otis Redding

great tremoled organ

Knows how to handle a stage, no wonder she was able to do those shows

Pot is no good

not every cop is Irish, I swear

They didn't wear a whole lot of bras back then, did they...or is stupid boy off again?

It's great that Dan Aykroyd could get away with that mustache and not be thought of as a homosexual...I guess that Canadian thing really figures in...good for Dan...except for that whole 'Dr. Detroit/Blues Brothers 2000' thing..

three dots, right Clas???

So, that Band's website has anything you've ever wanted t know about one of the greatest things that ever happened to popular to

'Libertines and hippies were taking over...and I was duped into giving them a forum' - Hugh Hefner

GREAT LINE! fucking hippies

the record shows...I took the blows (there's your hero kids, and I ain't talking bout Paul Anka)

It don't matter, anymore, KD, no one's reading this and everyone thinks your a drunken asshole, the American Clas, and that you're too embarrassed to add to the GB or email Oleander back because you know that everyone hates you and thinks shit of you

I think they might be editing Miss Titus for Andy Kaufman, which is about right becaues he
's fucking genius

the kids call it the GB so I guess I will...no return appearance for Libby Titus, which is unfortunate because I loved the song that I didn't write a damn thing about (some review), but, Lord, she looks goo0d

So, I guess, the moral of this story/ramble is...

Good job, Mr. Fagen.

Well, well, after an absence of approximately 2 1/2 years I come back to see that the GB is still as entertaining as ever, with ol' Clas still fucking with the pack. The veterans may be gone but the new ones respond in almost exactly the same way. Let's face it, without Clas this board wouldn't be half as interesting (not to mention hilarious). Clas, glad to see you're still at it. How the hell do you find the time?

And I still don't like the way the posts download from
most recent to older. I say bring back the old order.

So, when IS the New One coming?

luckless

The Stranger - I'm glad you and JW Malibu are safe. Yes, you have a point - I didn't mention that many of the Barry supporters were people who were happy to see an African American stick it to Whitey (and it's not true that he's nothing but a demagogue - he was responsible for a number of programs that greatly helped lower-income residents, although the city couldn't afford to pay for them - I briefly considered voting for him myself when he was running against Schwartz, largely because I didn't want to vote for a white Republican; she's still on the city council and regularly pisses me off; I'll never vote for her again for anything) since it didn't seem relevant to the point I was making. However, these folks were primarily those who live in the economically deprived neighborhoods on the other side of the Anacostia River, the ones I mentioned in my previous post who are not likely to be voting in large numbers in city elections for the reasons I mentioned.

DC has been undergoing an ethnic shift for the last 20 years as the number of African Americans declines and the number of members of other ethnic groups increases (Hispanics are the fastest growing group, but the numbers of white and Asian people are rising also). I hope that lower-income African Americans, a group whose numbers are declining quickly at the moment, will get some more attention from the city government and business leaders, and that another politician comes along to encourage them to vote or they will end up voiceless and powerless. It's a hard-hearted political institution that ignores impoverished minorities, and I hate to see these people getting sold out while Williams makes DC a great place for prosperous white folk to live and do business. It's just a damn shame that the current economic boom is passing by the people who could most benefit by it. Of course, the prosperous new residents and all the new businesses generate a lot of income for the city, but instead of being used to fund programs for those who are less propsperous, a lot of the money goes into programs to attract even more residents and businesses who can make lots of money for the city. It doesn't seem fair to me, but then life isn't fair; I know that.

Stranger, JW et al. Dittos on the quake...sorry, didn't know about it until 15 min ago as we were caught up with soccer, etc. Glad the eipcenter was in a deserted area.

Ditto w/The Stranger...feels so good when it's over!

Altamira,
Thanks for your kind wishes. Epicenter was out in the desert, but it woke just about everyone I spoke to. Me too. The nice thing about earthquakes is you feel so good when they're over.

Altamira,
You went to great pains not to mention the racial realities of D.C. and ex-Mayor B. It's like having a 600-pound gorilla in your living room and you figure if you don't mention him, none of the visitors will notice. The Berry voters enjoyed voting for a black man who sticks it to whitey even if that black man is useless at anything but demagoguery.

JW Malibu and the Stranger - I hope you are doing well and weren't affected any by the earthquake this morning - that thing sounded pretty serious!

Hutch: re: Gaucho That's indeed a synthesizer wiping from the left to right channel. What's more during the second rendition of the chorus at the 4:31 mark we hear the same sunthesizer, even more prominantly. Except this time the wipe begins in the RIGHT chanel and proceeds to the left. Speaking about snippets: How about the wham bam ending of Gaucho after the instrumental recapitualtion of the verse melody. A mightly electric piano chord(s) (2 hands) by Mr. Fagen with a nice little run on the guitar by Mr. Becker punctuated by the multi-track aaaaahhhhhh of the backup vocalists.

Clas: some days in history you have clearly forgotten, or are you simply Sweden's version of Pat Buchanan and David Duke rolled into one?
October 21-29, 1929: Stock market crash which initiates the Great Depression that continues for 12 years. The US "Industrial complex" had the GNP of today's Ghana.
December 7, 1941: The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. The US declares war on Japan.
December 8, 1941: Germany declares war on the US.
BTW, Roosevelt was under pressure from both sides regarding our limited aid to Churchill & Britain during the Nazi air assault in 1940. Many isolationsists wanted no part. Fortunately, England survived or the overwhelming superiority of the German and Japanese navies would have been impossible for the crippled US economy to overcome. Result: German would be your mother tongue.

On a lighter note, I'm not sure I would want to be President in 2000 as it looks like we're headed for a big dip in the economy...we're gonna need that tax cut in a year - but by then Clinton and the weak-kneed Republican Congress (the biggest spendthrifts we've ever had) will have spent the "surplus." I'm wating until we hit bottom early next year before a put my measly piasters back in the market (Apple Inc).

Hey folks - I just returned home from a funeral and was hoping to read some clever and enlightening posts of the sort so often found here to brighten up my afternoon a bit - looks like I sure checked in at the wrong time! Come on people, chill. Clas can write some annoying things but y'all are making matters worse by responding to him in kind; we've got a tornado-like funnel cloud of intensifying antagonism here; it's not pretty.

Midnite Cruiser - I have some suggestions about what to see around here and the Shenandoah Valley also, an area I'm quite fond of and visit frequently (I was there just last Saturday). I have some work to do this afternoon, but I'll get back to you this evening.

What we really need here, are some good old Batman graphics...
Pow! Splat! Kablooie!
And that's just the soundtrack of D&W mixing TNO..
Just imagine what other sounds could be applied here..
It's nearly worth it..
Long Live Animal Farm!

Clas..................(do you like the pretty little dots?)

America has NO monopoly on disfunction, Clas. You country has fucked-up citizens, just as ours does. Is it fair to broad-brush Sweden because Nazism, bigotry and other sick shit exists there? Is it fair to assume that since some Swedish women fellate horses to assume that they all do? No. But that exactly how your lame rantings on America look to us. MOST of us are not redneck bigots hiring illegal aliens, as you seem to want to believe. We're just like MOST people in Sweden ~ we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...period.

As for your latest series of rants wherein you obtusely "threaten" my fellow GBr's, don't make me laugh! You're a mentally-ill alcoholic who needs to deal with his problems. Have you thought of going into therapy to deal with these anger issues? AA (or some "other" program) is no longer an option for you, it is a necessity.

Perhaps you'll want to threaten me as well now...here's my e-mail address: JWMalibu@msn.com/www.boards.com. Bring it on, loser...you're such an idiot that you can't even tell the difference between an E major and an E minor! Can you say, "tone deaf?"

Finally, regarding your "flame" directed toward my associations with certain individuals in the entertainment industry...is that the BEST you can come up with, Buddy Boy? Do I need a map to the star's homes? Uhhhhh, would "no" be ok? I've lived in Los Angeles for close to 45 years, I can get around just fine, Clas...and as I stated before, they're JUST people whose jobs happen to make them well-known to others. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? As for your labelling me a "star"...I'm a fuckin' accountant, nimrod ~ but I've had FAR more musical successes than you'll EVER have, so kiss my fuckin' ass!!!

Fuck off, Clashole...

Altamira....my wife and I are going on two weeks vacation starting Wednesday and we're planning on going up the Blueridge Parkway and Skyline Drive to Front Royal to visit family and then on to D.C. for about a week. We were wondering if you know of anything out of the ordinary going on there in the way of exhibits or limited run events? I know we'll be at the Smithsonian for a couple of days, concentrating on the Air & Space Museum and Natural History Museum. We had also planned to go to the Ansel Adams gallery and were going to pretty much wing the rest of it. If you can think of anything please drop me an e-mail or just post here. I usually check both every day. Thanks in advance.

MC

FEAR KILLS:

No, I'm not afraid of a threat unleashed by Clas or anyone else. I was merely trying to set the record straight.
Clas doesn't frighten me. If he wants me, he'd have to navigate through the woods to find me, and I OWN these parts. And, Id own him, too.

Later,

Herm

I would like to add reflecting upon the nature of events; the person who posted using my name was very poignent and succinct. There's that, at least.

Later,

Herm

Sociable - you sound worried about Clas's threat !

Clas,

Don't threaten me. All I did was ask what I thought to be a valid question. I said nothing deflammatory about your family. I brought up your son because YOU always bring up your son. Sorry if you're having such a bad day on the gb, but don't take it out on me by issuing false threats. Instead, try to figure out why everyone is flaming you; then you'll get to the heart of your problems.

Again, don't threaten me. YOU got it?

Later,

Herm

Clas that was the real me and you can bet all your Swedish Kronors on that!!!!!!!

Q

No Clas, never met Martha aka "Oleander" - you mean you have a problem with her too ?????????????
I've personally spoken to her on the phone, albeit briefly, and
she seems to be a very fine person.

My father drinks no alcohol.(notice I'm not threatening you for bringing my magnificent father up on the board)

I drink @ once per week but not on a schedule - usually at events - like Dan concerts in the good old USA !!!!!!!!!

Clas, anytime you want my address or phone you just feel free to email me.

Q

Let it be known that the last posting by "Sociable Hermit", with the e-mail address of Sonof@clas and ending with "Not Sociable Anymore" Was NOT me!!

Please do not answer for me in the future. I am very capable of handling any response.

Clas, I did not tell you to fuck off.

I haven't even read anything below yet, so I hope it doesn't get any worse.
Again, it was not me

Later,

Herm

Got it?

If you mention my family again perhaps it won't hurt YOU. Idiot.

So fuck off, next time it'll get worse.

Are you related to Martha Salyers? Is your father an alcoholic?

Hey Clas - I want to say fuck off too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I'll bring your son or anything else I want into here- you want to take me on big boy - come at me.

You want to go against me you fucked up insecure asshole.

You have the nerve to make threats to people!!!!

Bring it on Clas- I've buried you many times and I could bury you
anytime, anywhere if you threaten anyone on this board.

You have brought this on YOURSELF - you are the most inflammatory asshole that has ever hit this board - and so now your going to direct the dialogue.

You are an EGOMANIAC who can't survive without the attention you get from this forum(why I'm feeding it I don't know)

Oh and I'm virtually 100% of German descent so I can talk about Nazi's etc.- yah why is it that all the fucked up porn comes from Sweden.......because there are a lot of sick mother's over there -just like here.

You love to talk about your splendid standard of living in Sweden
yet you are obviously obsessed with Americana- YOU Clas are a hypocrite and a coward.

And by the way.....Sweden OWES it's existence to US AMERICANS - REMEMBER THAT EVERY DAY OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE.

Take your son back to Sweden where it's so lovely -

you see Clas you simply can't live without us Americans -it's obvious.

Clas you make any more threats on this board and I'll use what I know about YOU- maybe to have your son DEPORTED- how about that.

EAT THAT SHIT , Clas

Clas - FUCK OFF!!!!!!!

I'll bring your son into it antime I want - you bring everything you want into this forum.

Who do you think you are to define the limits - you are the one who is constantly pushing out the limits.

Your like the guy who does 70 in the fast lane with 10 cars behind who want to pass. You are breaking the speed limit yourself but believe you have the right to restrain everyone else.

Clas - you are a nobody - this forum is the only outlet for you to flout your ego.

Not Sociable Anymore

"Red Rover
cum over...

Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 at 15:22:48
Comments:
Just curious, why is it that 90% of the pornography featuring women with animals is from Sweden? Are all the men too drunk to get it up?"

Do you actually watch such crap? What's wrong with you?

"Sociable Hermit
Just curious

Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 at 10:50:40
Comments:
Clas,
If you are so against Americans and their "american life-style", then why is your kid attending a school in America?"

Hermit, if you ever mention my son again on this shithouse you are gonna regret it.

I mean what I say because I know a lot of things about you. So your fellow yankees have to take care of you, else the shit will hit the fan, got it? Don't EVER bring in my family into this shit, okay?

And that goes for you too, who insinuated that my son is a Nazi.

I can't understand how such intelligent Music can give birth to such stupid kids. Don't you ever listen to the lyrics?

Oh, yes, Martha has a HomePage with those lyrics but that's more a New Age-thing?

Malcolm - which one of your mothers were the writer? And your address in Manhattan, do you have several addresses? And you blew us all saying you're a musician, didn't you. Or did you loose my address again, five weeks ago? I can't find your tape.

Did you get it Sociale?

C

Alta:

The first time I ate mushrooms it was like 3:00am and I went to bed. Around 5:30am I woke up and noticed my chest of drawers was getting bigger and smaller. I closed my eyes and then opened them again. I was looking at the wall, not at my chest of drawers!

Just goes to show you that reality is tenuous at best. Expectations often overshadow reality. Like the blue light you cannot see. I see it. What's wrong with you? What's right with me?

It's a tiny hurdle. People live 80 years or longer and refuse to step over it. They amass tons of obscure material relating to their ideal just to circumvent their inevitable collision with the original.

I see blue running lights.

Also, except for rainbows, rods beat cones in almost every category.

Ransom Universe,

Rod

I must say I listened to 'Gaucho' on tape walking to and from classes than any other album last year, on the cans, and that sweep on the title track is a highlight...

Another is the warming up clavinet/Mike McDonald bridge on 'I Got the News'

And did anyone ever notice that Mike Mac's background vox on that song and 'Peg' sound like Donald is playing the 'Michael McDonald' preset on a synth? Know what I mean, jelly bean?

pet us please!

Mr. Chow - What a great response from Steve Khan! I must visit his website - I was just enjoying his and Donald's recording of Thelonius Monk's Reflections earlier this evening, and I'd like to learn more about him. Anyway, I'm really curious about Heartbreak Souvenir - I have recordings of all the other songs he mentions (I especially like I Can't Write Home About You and I hope Walter and Donald do something with it one of these days), but I am always intrigued by mention of a song I hadn't previously heard of. Anyway, I will definitely look for Khan's new CD.

Geena wrote, among other things in a charming and humorous post, "When you turn out the light to go to bed, everything in your bedroom will still be clearly visible but slightly blue." If you live in a well-lit urban neighborhood and don't close your curtains or blinds at night, this is true; except everything is grey, not blue (in low light, human eyes can only see shades of grey, not colors). I can clearly see everything in my apartment when all the lights are turned off.

Animal Liberationist - You're right, pigs are treated horribly. In the US (they are treated better in other countries), they are kept in tiny metal crates where they can't even turn around, and when they are moved from one place to another they are beaten with metal poles, which frightens and confuses them and makes them more difficult to handle. I have read that they chew the bars of their metal cages because the pressure on their teeth causes their brains to release endorphins that calm them and make them feel a little bit better (they didn't need to figure this out; they just chewed on the bars out of boredom and found some other benefits; a study found the link with the endorphins). When I stopped eating meat 13 years ago, meat from pigs was the first that I gave up since they are treated worse than any other farm animal, even veal calves.

Regarding an especially good snippet - I was going to listen to Paul Griffin's marvelous piano work on Sign In Stranger to find my favorite part, but I was listening to Can't Buy a Thrill tonight and decided instead upon Donald's rather fetching piano solo on Fire In the Hole - it's just so fun and playful.

That's righteous, Mr. Chow! Oh, to be a fly on the wall during those "Gaucho" sessions, or better yet ~ a fly on the wall with a tape recorder...

Hutch: Are you a major dude or what? I took a listen to Goucho - Oh.My.God. that sound! It traveled from my left ear, across my brain to my right ear and back again. It was a nine-second Ear Orgasm. I've got to use the headphones more often...

Gina: I laughed & laughed - another endorphine release!

Sociable Herm: When you're right, you're right. You probably know by now that I'm a bible believer. Well, I heard that it's in the bible that "the love of money is the root of all evil." But what you said makes so much sense. So I looked it up. It's in 1Timothy 6:10 and what it really says is,"the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." That's a horse of a different color. All kinds is not the same as all. And the lust for power certainly fits the Nazi thing way better than money so I give your thoughts 1st place. Thanks, guy.
Sheesh - I've got to stop just listening to "them."

Animal Liberationist: Why would anyone want to be cruel to pigs? I'm convinced that animals know way more than humans give them credit for. You better not let me catch you being mean to any animal!

rb

Dear all - Just back from the Steve Khan guestbook. I posted a query regarding himself & Rob Mounsey collaborations as well as complimenting him on his work on "Gaucho", and got an incredibly speedy and courteous reply, which I provide for those interested:

Dear Nick/Mr. Chow:
Thanks so much for signing the Guestbook! In answer to your question,
YES, Rob Mounsey and I did a follow-up to the '87 release "LOCAL COLOR,"
it was released last year and is titled "YOU ARE HERE"....You can read
all about under the NEW CDs header at the website and even hear some
sound clips. Sadly, the CD is with a VERY small label(SIAM Records,
which also has a website you can access through mine) and is EXTREMELY
hard to locate other than purchasing over the net from SIAM Records.
Anyway, all I can say is that I hope that you'll enjoy what you hear.
I'm glad that you have enjoyed my work with Steely Dan. I don't really
talk too much about such things anymore....but, I am continually amazed
at the way those recordings are viewed by hard core fans. Donald and
Walter are such tremendous songwriters. You should have heard some of
the songs which did NOT get finished and will probably NEVER get heard!
Songs like: "The Second Arrangement"; "Kulee Baba"; "I Can't Write Home
About You"; and Heartbreak Souvenir." They were ALL tremendous songs!!!
Oh well.....
Anyway, here's wishing you and yours the very best of everything. I
just did a new CD with the Caribbean Jazz Project(Dave Samuels & Dave
Valentin) and it will be released by Concord Picante in February of
2000. It's really an excellent CD and I'm very pleased with the results.
I wasn't expecting it to be THIS good! It's a most pleasent surprise. We
leave for Europe on Wednesday(10/20) and won't return until November
7th. For the moment, that's about all I can tell you.

Warmest regards.....

Steve

1) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) ‹ Hundreds of mentally handicapped people were forced to eat vast amounts of candy and other sweet foods in an experiment a half a century ago on tooth decay, a newspaper reported Tuesday.
The revelation follows an uproar over reports that Sweden forcibly sterilized some 60,000 people between 1935 to 1976. The sterilizations were conducted under a law passed in the belief that society as a whole would benefit from a policy of eugenics.
The same sort of thinking was behind the 1943-53 tooth decay experiments.
"Society needed evidence. We thought we were doing a good deed,'' dentist Bo Krasse, who helped run the tests, told the newspaper Aftonbladet.
According to the newspaper, more than 400 mentally handicapped patients at Vipeholm mental hospital were fed daily diets of toffee, other sweets and white bread.
The toffee was "as much as a child could imagine putting away,'' said Hans Grahnen, another dentist in the experiment.
The purpose of the tests was to show a direct connection between consumption of high-sugar foods and tooth decay.
"Certainly there were suspicions that sweets affected dental health, but this was not accepted by the industry. In order to be able to give the public dietary advice, we needed evidence,'' Krasse was quoted as saying.
Bo Petersson, a Linkoeping University professor who has researched the program, said the goals were commendable but the methods distasteful, and said he was surprised it had been supported by the Swedish parliament.
"This never would have been approved today. The experiment was not unnecessary, but they should have used only volunteers who understood what they were involved in,'' he told the newspaper.
Reports on the sterilization program focused worldwide attention on Sweden, with many media accounts contrasting the program with the country's benign and liberal image.
The government has appointed a committee to investigate, and has emphasized that the sterilizations were conducted at a time when society had a different view of individual rights.
Krasse admitted that he now finds ethical problems with the dental experiment that did not occur to him at the time.

2) STOCKHOLM, Sweden ‹ A Swedish man arrested overnight with explosives near the statue used as the logo in Stockholm's 2004 Olympic bid could be responsible for two previous explosions at Swedish sports stadiums, police said on Friday.
"As far as I understand, the person arrested fits fairly well with the profile we have drawn up,'' head of the police investigation, Bo Wide, told a news conference.
"We don't exclude that he could be the perpetrator.''
Stockholm's bid to host the 2004 Olympics was in danger of being derailed by a series of arson attacks and two bomb explosions which last month damaged part of Stockholm's 1912 Olympic Stadium and the Ullevi Stadium in Gothenburg.
Stockholm is competing against Rome, Athens, Cape Town and Buenos Aires for the right to host the 2004 Games with the final decision to be made in Lausanne on Friday.
A little-known group called "We Who Built Sweden'' claimed responsibility for the attacks, insisting money spent on such an event should instead go to social causes.
The police, however, maintained it appeared that the bombings were the work of an individual rather than a group and a series of seven arson attacks were unrelated.
Wide said investigations into the two explosions were continuing but the man arrested, identified only as Clas, overnight at the Milles sculpture garden could be responsible.
"We still don't have the exact analysis from the other explosions in Gothenburg and Stockholm but we have strong reason to believe that it is the same perpetrator,'' he said.
Since the bombs, police have kept a 24-hour watch on other possible Olympic targets with 160 uniformed policemen and an undisclosed number of plainclothes policemen on patrol in Stockholm.
Shortly before midnight on Thursday, police on duty at Millesgarden seized a man with a backpack holding explosives and a detonator as he approached the Carl Milles statue, Pegasus and the Human, which Stockholm used as its bid logo.
"The bomb was not assembled but it wouldn't have taken much to make it usable,'' Wide said.
The man, who is known to police, was being questioned on Friday morning but had so far refused to say anything, police said.
Police announced a national alert after the arrest.
When a doorman at the Grand Hotel in central Stockholm reported a rubber dingy with three men on board working on something under a bridge near the royal palace at around 5.00 a.m. (0700 GMT) the area was immediately sealed off.
But the search was called off and the area was opened up again at about 8.30 a.m. (0630 GMT).
"We have stopped looking. We haven't found anything,'' police spokesman Mats Nylen told Reuters.
He said police had taken the report seriously in light of the previous attacks.
The incidents followed seven arson attacks at various sports venues around Stockholm this year and the two explosions at venues that would be used for some events if Stockholm won the 2004 Games.
"A couple of the arson attacks could have been done by the same person or a few persons,'' police spokesman Claes Cassel said. "But some of the other arson attacks are probably just epidemic.''
Stockholm's Olympic Committee said the arrest proved the city's police was effective and that Stockholm would be a secure place to hold the 2004 Games.
"This should reassure any International Olympic Committee (IOC) members who ever doubted that Swedish police would solve this situation and find this person responsible,'' committee spokesman Anders Hultin told Reuters.
"We are feeling very satisfied with this. It is quite clear now that we can offer a secure

Alright everyone, the air in here has been so thick with tension that even a hoodsie like me is afraid of walking in for fear of slipping on this racism/hatred smeared floor. It's uncanny how waiting for the New One can test one's patience, so here's my take on American movies and begging forgiveness in advance, i've been awake 48 hours and in between floor paces found these witty remarks. Enjoy, if not, then bite me:

Large, loft apartments in New York City are plentiful and affordable, even if the tenants are unemployed.

One of a pair of identical twins is evil.

Should you decide to defuse a bomb, don't worry about which wire to cut. You will always choose the right one.

It doesn't matter if you are greatly outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts. Your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one...dancing around in a threatening manner until you have dispatched their predecessors.

When you turn out the light to go to bed, everything in your bedroom will still be clearly visible but slightly blue.

If you are blonde and pretty, it is possible to be a world-famous expert on nuclear fission, dinosaurs, heiroglyphics, or anything else, at the age of 22.

Rather than wasting bullets, megalomaniacs prefer to kill their enemies using complex machinery involving fuses, deadly gasses, lasers, buzz saws and hungry sharks, all of which will give their captives at least 20 minutes to escape.

During all crime investigations, it is necessary to visit a strip club at least once.

If you are beautiful, your makeup never rubs off, even while scuba-diving or fighting aliens. However if you are overweight, your mascara will run and your lipstick will smear.

The ventilation system of any building is the perfect hiding place. No one will ever think of looking for you in there, and you can travel to any other part of the building without difficulty.

You're very likely to survive any battle in any war unless you make the mistake of showing someone a picture of your sweetheart back home.

Should you wish to pass yourself off as a German officer, it is not necessary to speak the language. A German accent will do.

A man will show no pain while taking the most horrific beating, but will wince when a woman tries to clean his wounds.

If staying in a haunted house, women must investigate any strange noises in their most diaphanous underwear, which is what they happened to be wearing when the car broke down.

If someone says "I'll be right back", they won't.

Even when driving down a perfectly straight road, it is necessary to turn the steering wheel from time to time.

All bombs are fitted with electronic timing devices with large red readouts so you know exactly when they're going to go off.

A police detective can only solve a case after he has been suspended from duty.

If you decide to start dancing in the street, everyone around you will be able to mirror all the steps you come up with, and hear the music in your head.

Police departments give their officers personality tests to make sure each is assigned a partner who is their total opposite.

When they are alone, all foreigners prefer to speak English to each other.

All beds have special L-shaped covers that reach up to the armpits of a woman but only to the waist of the man lying beside her.

All grocery shopping bags contain at least one French bread and one bunch of carrots with leafy tops.

It's easy to land a plane, providing there is someone in the control tower to talk you down.

I was reading about the benefits of Animal Therapy for healing and stress relief purposes - isn't is funny how narrow our view of animals is (pigs can be cruelly treated while dogs can't). I think we should broaden our minds. How about using ,say, spiders?

Here's one for the headphones.

At 1:51 into Gaucho - just after the chorus begins there's a synthesizer swell. It's kind of like white noise that pans from left to right. At least I think it's a synth. Actually it reminds me of one of those rain sticks that have little beads or rocks inside and you turn it over to make the tumbling shells or whatever sound like rain. It's a great little piece of SD ear candy.

Hutch
(Hutcheson, Clas. It's Scottish)

Wasn't trying to get one up on Clas, just wanted to ask a question. I got the answer.

So, anyway, who was the guitarist?

YGK: My 401k hopes so!

just purchased my 1st zip drive. Now I have a place to put my stuff.

David Bowie has very good backup singers.

Just curious, why is it that 90% of the pornography featuring women with animals is from Sweden? Are all the men too drunk to get it up?

Friend of Clas - You've got a point there. I was just thinking of reparations, not the slave-labor part.

It looks like we're going to have to prescribe a new pair of rose-colored glasses, your condition is worsening.

I wonder if there using any #7-9 chords? the lyrics lack a certain somthing - a brain!

Mr. Clas - I bet your son could mash some heads with does fine swedish musicians and maybe teach them some technique from his big school in US

so, after a day like today, you drink again? lw

Forget Steely Dan...the most exciting music these days is coming out of Sweden! Here's a lil' ditty by some up-and-coming Swedish rockstars:

"Hail the Swastika"
By Stoveltramp

Translated excerpts (from Swedish):

We fight for the existence of
the White race every day.
Niggers and Jews,
Gooks and Communists,
you have to pay!...
CHORUS:
Hail the swastika, hail the Holocaust!
Hail the swastika! Hail the swastika, hail the Holocaust!
Hail the mighty swastika!

Lovely sentiment...

Referee's Sister - Whether you know it or not, I've been watching you, too, and I gotta tell 'ya, I wouldn't mid a little investigation of your internal affairs, if 'ya know what I mean. And I ain't just squeezin' yer shoes, either.
By the way, I knew it was Nietzche's birthday. It's right here in my notes.

Over and out,

Detective Timmy

Power? Nazis? October 15? Must be Nietzsche's birthday!

IT IS, IT IS!! Happy Birthday Fritz, you ol' cosmic referee you.

Now, the rest of ya, "drink your big black whatever and get outtahere..."

THE MIGHTY TIM! *applause*

***Tom Collins - Liverpool? Wow, do you spot Beatles nowdays anything uh? Lennon? No, he ran around the corner, didn't he, te he he...***

It's a real gas to make fun of people who were brutally murdered, isn't it Clas? te he he...Adolph would be proud of you!

Just thought you all might want to know - that referee that gave all the points to Clas is the same guy that was umpiring second base for the first Yankees/Boston game and blew the call in the last inning.

I'm right here, and I'm watching.

Detective Tim

Qin: Well, why don't you just come to the USA? There are plenty of jobs here, computer jocks with good skills and education - reagrdless of color - can get well paying jobs, and any negative racial atmosphere - especially in urban areas - is one of little consequence. Silicon Alley - here in New York - is hot on web designers, developers and codewriters.

ygk

Ruby Baby:

I have to disagree with you. I believe that the root of all evil is the inordinate love of power. To be important, to be loved, to be admired, to be envied. Money is only a tool used to achieve this goal. The more powerful a person becomes, the richer they become. People think that accumulating money, cars, property, etc., is the sign of power, which is what they are looking for all along. If money were the root of evil as you suggest, then no one would run for office because of it's low pay rate. People become politicians/dictators/soldiers because of the power, not the money.

Later,

Herm

In the matter of JW Malibu v. Clas: Point to Clas.

In the matter of YGK v. Clas: Point to Clas.

In the matter of Freakin'Puerto Rican v. Clas: Point to Clas.

Clas,

If you are so against Americans and their "american life-style", then why is your kid attending a school in America? Why do you get on line and speak to Americans? Why do you eat american foods, go to american movies, and listen to american music? If we are everything you accuse us of, why associate with us and our culture?

Just curious,

Herm

What/who is "Qin" ?

Wow you blast in here after a week or so and it's getting darker and darker around here !!!!!!!!!

We better get that new album FAST!!!!!!

A ray of light.........

The Evolution of The Donald:

Donald impersonating Tiny Tim -
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/70sdon.JPG

The New Don (check out those bright green eyes ladies)-
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/thedon.JPG

Altamira- WRONG ! there is an entirely different logic behind justifying that -we did not pay them for having put them through "slave labor".

Clas, your ratings are hitting an all-time low..."The Clas Show" is about to be cancelled, due to lack of interest. Even your staunchest supporters are fleeing like rats off a sinking Viking ship!

The love of money is the root of all evil. (not money, just the inordinate love of it). You can trace practically all evil in the world to some form of money worship. And if those kids in Sweden are immitating Nazis (which originated in Europe btw) or KKK stuff (which is a branch of Nazi-ism) then they must not be content with what they have... I think they might pick that up from their parents.
The US may be the economic leader in the world, but we don't have a monopoly on hate, stupidity, or sin. Why not call it what it is? As a matter of fact, most of the perversity in our country can be traced directly to Europe. But what does that matter now?

Clas: I think Karl Oskar would never blame anyone else for what his own people did.
And what the hell is wrong with Top Gun, may I ask?

rb

No, we are talking about the Arian boys who walk around in Nazi symbols, wearing Hong-Kong-made Bomber-jackets and hail to each other in a secretive kind of way, in their jeans designed by the jew Strauss. They apparently believe that they've acquired themselves a Swedish image. It should be said that the original skinhead fashion comes from English youths who aped Jamaican immigrants and that those skinheads listened to reggae and not to Swastika, Storm or any other Nazi group. Imagine walking around dressed in a fashion which comes from Bob Marley's home, and at the same time insisting on being a proud Arien. No, they should be dressed in national costumes with breeches and tufts by the knees. The should sit by the TV with a plate of palt( a Swedish dish made out of pig blood), yummy, and shout spontaneous jihaas while watching folk dance. Or maybe wear one of those goat horned Viking helmets in the middle of the week to show their Nordic origin. That would be Swedish!!

There is an insufficient logic in this I think. Where it really breaks down is when it comes to the very core of their values: The Arians being superior to other races. The first question that pops to mind is how the racists can know they belong to the superior race? They couldn't have used an IQ-tests to come to that conclusion. And I think genealogical research could be a bit dangerous too, some disturbing irregularities in their Arian family tree might occur. I don't know how they check it out, but they have surely created their own race, a race that stands for ignorance, foolishness and without any moral or democratic values.

Finally I want to ask these people why they want to destroy democracy and replace it with dictatorship. That's exactly what makes people flee from their countries and become refugees.

Back to Opus frontpage

The following is a short report from the Swedish
Antifascistisk Aktion-Stockholm (Antifascist Action in
Stockholm) concerning the nazi-scene and the extreme
right in Sweden.

THE PARLIAMENTARY SCENE

The Swedish fascist scene is divided, as in many other countries, into two subgroups: the parliamentary wing and the militant extra-parliamentary wing.

After the failure of the left during the 1980's and a general political swing towards neoliberalism and conservatism, the fascist party "Sverigedemokraterna" (The Sweden Democrats) was formed by older fascist activists.

Sverigedemokraterna tried to copy the concept of the German Republicans, the English National Front and the French Front Nationale. But they never reached the same level of success, largely due to bad organizing skills, inner splits and the effective campaigning of antifascists which smashed public meetings and made Sverigedemokraterna dependent upon nazi skinheads for providing "security" at meetings. After each election, their inner organisation collapsed, and their militants left the organisation to join arms with more extreme groups. After the last national general election in the autumn 1994, in which Sverigedemokraterna received 14 000 votes, their leader resigned and a oppositional fraction formed Hembygdspartiet (The "Heimat" or "Homestead" party).

Since then, Sverigedemokraterna have been unable to reorganize effectively and their latest attempt at a demonstration gathered only 50 supporters! The next national general elections will be held in the autumn of 1998, and there are signs that the small, extreme right-wing parties will attempt to form an election coalition.

THE NAZI MOVEMENT

As the extreme right-wing parliamentary movement has collapsed during the last couple of years, the militant nazi movement has been on a rise. Since the middle of the 1980's, the Swedish nazi scene has survived mainly been a subculture; within the so called "white power" music scene. The scene began to take form in 1987 as "Rock Against Communism," inspired and economically supported by Ian Stuart Donaldssons British Blood & Honour. The music scene had an big boost when the band Swedish band "Ultima Thule" topped the Swedish music charts in 1993. Ultima Thule had removed typical nazi symbols and sang instead of vikings, former Swedish kings and other "national symbols".

Ultima Thules success pumped new energy into the Swedish nazi music scene and new bands and record companies were started. Every month, one or two nazi concerts were held in different parts of Sweden. These secret nazi gigs, in comparison to public marches and demonstrations, were much harder for the antifascist movement to stop. In 1994 the white power music magazine, or "skinzine," Blood & Honour, was founded, and after the year afterwards it expanded and changed its name to Nordland (Northland), named after a volunteer Swedish military company which fought alongside with the nazis in the Third Reich. Nordland has also started a record company, 88 Musik (88 - "Heil Hitler Music").

The magazine and record company are run the following individuals; Torulf Magnusson and Matti Sundqvist in the town of Linköping, Per-Anders "Pajen" Johansson in Gothenburg and the mysterious "Peter Andersson" in Stockholm. Nordland is closely connected to the leading American nazi music magazine, Resistance, and they press all their records in the USA.

There is another nazi record company that operates alongside Nordland/88 Musik. Ragnarock Records, was founded in the city of Helsingborg in the very southern portion of Sweden. Ragnarock Records was formed by the older nazis Erik Blúcher and the now dismissed Lars-Magnus Westrup. Ragnarock Records is closely connected to the Danish NS88 and the English ISD Records or the British Blood & Honour, run by Combat 18. The two nazi record companies Nordland and Ragnarock Records have now become bitter enemies. They are both connected to the international split between Resistance and Combat 18/Blood & Honour, a split that has resulted in bitter fighting. In the beginning of 1997 militants around the Danish NS88 mailed letter bombs to English "enemies" of Combat-18, and attempted to lay the blame upon Nordland. Nordland has replied in trying to get all the bands in the white power music scene to choose sides in the conflict. In the beginning of March 1997, magazine in an attempt to try and take back the B&H name from Combat 18.

I came to Sweden. Oh, such a nice place to live, blue sky, clear water, fast transportation. With a university degree, several years of work experience, language and computer skills in my hand, I confidently sent out job applications. But no, wait a minute,something is missing here. I didn't realize at first, but when loads of thank-you-for-your-interest letters came back, I got ashamed of myself. How could I? How could I send those letters to those big or small companies without changing my name? How could I waste their precious time and money refusing my application when I knew that they are so intelligent to tell what a person is like simply by looking at his/her name? How could I insult my own intelligence by NOT knowing that a foreigner (with colored skin especially) has a snowball's chance in hell when applying for a job??? I even applied for a simple job to maintain an information website which didn't require higher than high school education. But how could I be so stupid to think that a foreigner can actually do a good job maintaining a Swedish website?

No job then. Back to school. They say everyday in the newspaper that there is a severe shortage of nurses in hospitals. OK, I sent out an application to a college. Remember, I was on my way of being a clinical psychologist, there shouldn't be any problem for me to get into the study here. Again, I was proven wrong. In the refusal letter, they claimed that I lack 'social knowledge', a highschool course, and knowledge in Swedish and English. Social knowledge? My God, I have a university degree in psychology which is a typical social science. Must I go back to high school to get any 'social knowledge'? Swedish and English? Four years in Norway, I speak fluent Norwegian and got a degree from a university. You are not telling me that people in Norwegian universities speak Chinese? But no, they don't believe that I understand Norwegian and English, hence Swedish and English. It's a miracle that I managed to get a degree in Norway without being able to speak the language. Alright then, I will prove to you that I can handle Swedish as well. I took the National College Test, which is an alternative to high school scores for Swedish students to enter a university or college here. The Test is in difficult Swedish and a part of it is in English. The result put me among the best 15%. Now, is that proof enough that I can understand Swedish? Again, the answer is no. It's pure coincidence that a Chinese without any knowledge of Swedish can achieve such a score. A statistical exception. They don't 'assume' that I can speak the two languages. I am just a lucky peabrain.

So no school either. What do I do? Right now, I am attending an evening course in network and programming. I don't know if this will help me find a job afterwards. With a wrong name and a wrong skin color, life is bitter in Sweden.

The US is the least racist country in the world. If Sweden suddenly had minority immigrants pouring into it, there would be problems, I tellya. The US has so many racial problems because (a) we as a society are willing to be open and honest about the problem and try to fix it; and (b) we have the most diversity of any country on the globe.

**Goosesteps out with no regrets, a sparkling conscience, new address**

stupid enough to be unoriginal followers

stupid at any rate

YGK - "Damn: it just further proves that people are also stupid in Sweden - as well as in other countries."

Yes, stupid enough to swallow the US-life style.

Freakin' PR: that is called an "Adjustment", and we have been due one for some time now.

Damn: it just further proves that people are also stupid in Sweden - as well as in other countries.

What do you think? will there ever be a day when we hear about animosity/hate crime towards idiots and/or stupidity?

ygk

Freakin Puerto Rican -
"Clas, is there such a thing as racism where you are? Hey, I'm just asking. Are there offensive names used to describe people there? When I go home to visit, we know who we are. Folks maybe poor or wealthy, but respect is given. A little different in the USA. How about you?"
I have to say it like this;
We are drowned in the US lifestyle over here. They are showing shitmovies like "Independence Day" and shit music like Withney Houston, we are eating their food from Mac Donalds, we are drinking their fucking Coca Cola and unfortuanetly we are importing the Ku Klux Klan way of living too. So people here are killed because just no other reason they are black or homosexuals.
So we have a big group of young US-loving youngsters who are running down the streets with bold heads and big shoes, screaming "die fuckin niggers, die fuckin fags". Offensive names? You bet there are.
And if they HAVE seen a movie, be sure it is "Top Gun".
C

JW Starstruck Malibu - I am not writing anything? And that's why you Officially Putting Clas on Ignore?

To speak with Edd Cote; this must be a language thang.

How many different guitarist were there on the Citizen tour?
That was a great tour. If your going out again, go back, jack, do it again.

This Y2K thing will show if the U.S. has their shit together or not. Anyone paying any attention to the stock market latley?
It's falling apart.

I was flipping thru the TV channels this week and saw very briefly a shot of Walter. I don't know how old the footage was, he was sitting on a couch, dark glasses, long hair,in another shot he was walking around with a hat on backwards, talking about kids and computers or something. Anyone see this?

Clas, is there such a thing as racism where you are? Hey, I'm just asking. Are there offensive names used to describe people there? When I go home to visit, we know who we are. Folks maybe poor or wealthy, but respect is given. A little different in the USA. How about you?

Clas ~ Your fingers are hitting the keyboard, but you're not writing anything...

Friend of Clas - Actually, there is a precedent - the payment the American made to the Japanese-Americans who were kept in interment camps during World War II, and their descendants, for the property that was taken from them.

The Stranger - Most of those who voted for Barry are still alive, but many of them are not going to be voting in DC elections. Barry's strongest supporters tended to live in Wards 7 and 8 on the other side of the Anacostia River. This part of town has not yet benefited from the prosperity enjoyed by other areas (there are some plans to try to rectify this situation and some progress has been made, but that part of town is still in pretty bad shape economically) and so has been losing population for the last several years (most former residents move to Prince George's County, Maryland), in contrast to other areas of the city that have been gaining population. Also, many of Barry's supporters had not been been regular voters. Barry strongly encouraged them to vote and even sent vans and taxicabs to pick them up and take them to the polls. Without that sort of encouragement from another politician, they are not likely to be voting much in the future. It's sad that these people tend not to vote; they give up what little power they have that way. And I can understand their reasons for voting for Barry; they're not stupid, they just saw him differently from other socio-economic groups - they believed that Barry cared about him and they were inspired by what they saw as his heroic comeback.

So this horse walks into a bar and the bartender says "Why the long face?"

How about this story where Germany and German companies are going to give fucking billions of $$ to the Jews because they used them as slave labor in the war ???????
What a fucking joke !!!!!!!!

When are we Americans going to pay the Native American Indians and then, God forbid(only because of the implicit size of the payout and the fuzzy logic invovled), the blacks for their slave labor !!!!!!!!!

All the liberal politicos are lining up behind this but sometimes you have to think precedents out a few steps and realize the ramifications.

But forget the ramifications- it was a war for God's sake- every war contains abuses.

The ONLY reason this is holding up is because it's the Jewish community whining for it.

There is NO precedent in world history for this kind of payout.

I'm not a racist just a realist

Friend of Clas NOT

JW "Starstruck" Malibu - what are you doing man? Sitting there alone ignoring me? That aint working. You must post! Tell us about you friends in Yes, how bad Jackson Browne works on the surfingboard and such things.

So wait, I'll ask you a question, when you don't respond (thanks Tom), everybody else, incl me, knows that you are ignoring me. You know, ignorance is a very active thing. You can't sit in the dark and tell yourself , "now I am ignoring him, now I am ignoring him..." That is, what we call, a Mantra.

So, to make it easier for you;

JW "Starstruck" Malibu - do you have one of these Beverly Hills-maps where you can see where your friends are living? Betty Boop, Mickey Mouse, the Yes fellows, and other famous friends of yours. Maybe even Ted Danson? And how much does it cost?

So, go on, ignore me now.

MU - Third Reich wannabes? What are you talking about? Were you an hero in The Second World War? Did USA come over to Europe and kill Nazis because they were friends with the Brits and the French? No, it's all about money and politics. If it was more money in it, you sure would have licked Adolf Hitlers ass. You bet.

And are you accusing me for being a Nazi? Watch out big boy.

And You, the other fella, I've forgot which handle you use today, "it takes a big boy to talk about niggers and jews behind the computer". ? As I said; I hear it in the songs and movies you throw out over the rest of the world night and day.

And when I visited New Orleans the last time , the redneck I stayed with wasn't afraid to use the word "nigger". Not at all. In fact, he was so filled with hate against those people it gave me the creeps. And if you reed my posts close, you'll see that I aint hiding my head in a Ku Klux Klan-cap.

And what IS your point? Are we not allowed to SAY the word JEW or the word NIGGER, does that make us racists? If I tell the truth about Israel, a state that wouldn't exist without money from the Rich Jews in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Los Angeles, if I tell you those simple facts, does that make me a RACIST?

And I am sorry to see, as soon you don't like what you hear, you are close to the gun. And that's the way you teach your children. You DO remember the schoolshootings? I'm afraid it wasn't the last time.

JW Malibu - you are ignoring me? Oh, that's sad. Jw Malibu who know so many celebrities up in Hollywood Hills. I don't know if I can live with that. You're a star man, and you are ignoring me!

Tom Collins - an adjustment, your cousin Phil Collins aint fucking any 13 year old girls. He married one, a Jet Set Princess from Monaco. Who said that money can't buy a little love for an old pedofile?

Bob Zmuda - you are shooting way over my head. I don't know what kind of people Tony Clifton and Latka Gravas are.

And Clas at the Savoy - I am not so sure about that and I don't give a shit.

C

I'm tired of every asshole here. Just to make you angry...

Fuck all of you, Ole and Ruby have my back.

I win,

There is so much hate in the world that it is beginning to see itself through us. This will cause some normal people to ask for death (peace) early which is good. Those who ask for peace / redemption / forgiveness past the expiration date will be hounded by poor timing throughout their lifetime(s).

Potato(e),

Your Next President

Well, I tried telling my computer it was 1980 to avoid y2k glitches, but right away some programs got nervous and wouldn't work, sending me tragic, strange messages. So I tried to tell it the year is 1998, just to let me put off everything a year. Still didn't work. So I told it the truth and now it works. See? Our moms were right. It's best to tell the truth.

Clas: As you know, it is fortunate that your mother was not Fallashas (you DO know they are Caucasian also for whatever little that's worth?) or you would have been "purified" as a nascent-type given the policy of your country and Switzerland, Third Reich wannabes. Then what simulating conversation would there be here? We might even talk about jazz more and who wants that. Would Kinky be civil? Would Herm keep crawling back to his cave? Surely, Donald and Walter would have closed up shop for good and lost the will to live...if Pat B. was right: next World War we let the Germans win, yah vul?

Clas... The exteriors were filmed at Timberline Lodge..
I never said Kubrick had been there...
(He said, without saying anything else...)

Alta,
The people who elected that crack-smoking mayor are mostly still alive. It's not behind you. It's all around you.

To the Mob,
Why is everybody piling on Clas? This reminds me of some particularly ugly sequences in 'Lord of the Flies.'

In light of the fact that I just discovered
that Becker and Fagan are putting
out new product, I just relistened to
all of their material and I seem to
think, 20 or so years later, that I
prefer "Gaucho" and "Nightfly" to all of the rest of it
although S.D. was one of my favourites during
their tenure and I dig it all. Am I alone in this? My buddy,
who is still crazy for the band and always
has listened to them says I'm nuts, the critics at
the time loved Aja. Slap my ass and call me Sally,
but I always thought that album was bland. While I'm
at it "Don't Take Me Alive" is a tune that is great and
I kinda overlooked it way back then.

Officially putting Clas on ignore...

Peter and Mookie are right. I was trying to say something like that in my song "Hook" -- my best work to date.

"well I've never met Napoleon....
but I plan to find the time."

What if Clas is the messenger? Then is it okay to kill him?

Stay tuned. There will be some goodies on the official site coming up....

I really think what clASS need is a good beating. It takes a big man to talk about "niggers and "jews" when your ducking behind your computer. clASS you drunkin fucking slob. Eat shit and DIE!

Tom Collins - Liverpool? Wow, do you spot Beatles nowdays anything uh? Lennon? No, he ran around the corner, didn't he, te he he...

So you are related to Phil Collins? That bastard is fucking 13 year old girls, isn't he?

Got to go.

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!"

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!"

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!"

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!"

Far be it a Swede attempt to school us all on the English language, when the piss-poor bastard can't use proper, common punctuation, not to mention his disconnected idioms.

Use a colon after a complete statement in order to introduce one or more directly related ideas, such as a series of directions, a list, or a quotation or other comment illustrating or explaining the statement. Can you understand that, or should I write it s l o w e r ?

"Let me explain;" - wrong Mr. Lugshitz. It should be, "Let me explain."

When giving an example - such as your last post - the proper use of the English language and puctuation should include colons. As an example: ":". Also, don't end a sentence - or whatever those arrangements of words you might call sentences - with a preposition.

Therefore, Mr. Idiot, your post, "If you ask Nikkie where Walter is and the answer she comes up with is;" should read:
"If one asks Nikkie where Walter is and she responds:"

Also, to repeat some common themes that appear frequently on this board: "Get a clue. Get a life. Save your 19th Century ramblings for your therapy sessions with your dog." - TC

The Shining was mostly filmed in a studio in London. Stan refused to travel. Some of the outdoorscenes are done outside that hotel on location, without old Kubrick, but, no big party there.

Sorry pal.

BTW, I am soon closing, if you have more questions, save them till tomorrow.

C

Dance for me, Clas. Dance for me.

Yes Edd, you "tought" me that the snares on Bodddisatttva started on 1, 3, 1, 3 and then made a turn into 2, 4, 2, 4, when the music began.

Then you tried to teach me what sequencing was about and you got so confused and mixed up that you finaly gave up and blamed your mess on "it's probably a language thang". Ha!

But do I ignore you?

No, I wished you a happy birthday, didn't I?

51, isn't that right?

C

HBD to RS &
...Clas... (In a class of his own)....

English is already the international language of commerce... International air traffic control, ship's captains & local authorities (such as Russian ships in Japanese ports.. They speak English..)...

Nice visual of "Jack Of Speed" on the ODP.. At Timberline Lodge near Portland, Ore., there is a hot tub which supposedly has a bit of graffiti on the wall saying "Jack Nicholson pissed here.."
Left over from filming The Shining, which was one big Party..

Tour 2000 dates listed.. More delusions & hallucinations?
Maybe so, maybe not...
For the answer, add up the number of dots, multiply by the number of obscentites posted on the GB this week, & divide it by the size of your IQ measured in centimeters..
Maybe Bombay isn't such a great name for a city, either..

Hutch, if you want Clas to go away, just teach him things.

I've done this more than once and now he ignores me completely.

I've finally figured it out! This "Clas" that posts isn't really a person from Sweden named Clas...it's Any Kaufman! Andy really didn't die, as some of us suspected, and now he's slowly working his way back into society by trying out variations on his previous characters! "Clas" is a combination of Tony Clifton and Latka Gravas. See, it's even in the name - take the first two letters of Clifton, and the last two of Gravas, and what do you get? Clas! It's a combination of total a jerk and and an idiot that mangles the English language. Expect to see "Clas" at the Improv in the coming weeks. No dates schedules, he'll just storm the stage and force his act upon you.
I mean, it's gotta be Andy, right? There can't really be a person in the world that's truly that much of an ass, can there?

BZ

Tha's right Mookie, some of us is blessed with flows that keep you hooked like dope, and some of us ain't...

Clas - That's Kansas, not Nebraska.

The Stranger - DC's economy has been booming since Anthony Williams became mayor. Buildings are being constructed and rehabilitated in many parts of the city, long-postponed road improvement projects are underway, and so many people are moving here that it has become extremely difficult to find an apartment - DC's vacancy rate is considerably lower than that of the surrounding suburbs. We're even starting to get some decent grocery stores, something that has long been in rather short supply in this city. So it seems to me that our having once had a crack-smoking mayor should now be irrelevant - we've put that chapter of our history behind us.

"Sick of it
swedish meathead

Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 at 08:18:35
Comments:
Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!"

Is it a braindamage? Tell me if it is, if it is, I won't mess with you. If you don't wanne go public with the answer, email me. You know how to email? Do you have someone there who can show you? Good luck pal! I am proud of you. Way to go buddy!

Eeehh, and the Submit Addition. Push once. Only once.

Hutch - you can write about everything you want here. What is it that stops you from writing about Doobie Bros? Me?

I can tell you there are a LOT of space here. And I understand that you want to gather your buddies to form a Anti Clas Club? That's a project that is tried at least ten times. It's a no can do. This is Internet fuckhead. A Global Fora. Put that in mind.

Hutch? What kind of name is that? Did you play the Hutch-part in "Starskey and Hutchkie"?

C

Now, you wayward WASPs look-a-here: Hypocricy RULES! Here, there and everywhere. Got it?

It's just that when you get old, you can't bend as far, that's all... Just ask Bill Buckner... And NBC... Ahem.

It should be obvious to everyone on this board that Clas writes things to purposely provoke a reaction from someone. This, in and of itself, shows his lack of maturity. For my part, from this point forward, I choose to ignore him much like you would ignore the antics of a four year old child. I came on this board to talk about my favorite band and to engage in conversation with intelligent people on a variety of subjects. I don't have the time or the desire to respond to euro-trash like Clas.
Can't we all just get along? Sure we can! We can get along by doing what 99 percent of the people on this board do - treating each other with respect. Clas has made a conscious effort NOT to treat others with respect. That's his choice.
My choice is to simply skip over all of his posts from now on.

If my comments have offended or angered those of you who stick up for him I'm sorry about that, but this is the way I feel about it.

Hutch

Sociable Hermut - good try Hermits! In fact, you did come up with an IDIOM!

"We lost two giants - Milt Jackson and Art..."

Notice how you managed to express that Farmer and Art (Garfunkel? No?) are dead without actually use the words "die" or "dead"

"We lost two giants..."

I am very proud of you Herm, you snapped the idea so FAST.

C

Hey,

This was a very sad week for jazz fans. We lost two giants - Milt Jackson and Art Farmer. Both incredible players, (MJ on vibes, AF on trumpet and flugelhorn), and writers of some indisputable jazz standards. But were probably better known as members of bands,(Jackson with the Modern Jazz Quartet, and Farmer with the Jazztet, a group that had himself and tenor saxophonist Benny Golson at it's core), but they both cut equally, if not better, albums as leaders, also. I was a fan of Farmer's, but I was absolutely crazy about Milt Jackson. He could play the cool music of the MJQ, then the next day, record a sizzling bop record with people like Cannonball Adderley, John Coltrane or Wes Montgomery, and just burn.

Farmer was 71, Jackson was 74. Ten years ago, I would have thought nothing of someone dying at either age. Now, my first reaction is, "Geez, that's too young."

If you have any of their records, sit back later and listen to a cut or two with a glass of your favorite beverage, and realize that music rarely gets any better than the way they played it.

Later,

Herm

"left out - that's why the Senate did not ratify the nuclear test ban treaty. What fun we would have missed watching from afar as North Korea, India, Pakistan, the Chinese, the Isrealis tested their weapons!...and listen to Saddam laugh as he launches a few biological scuds because our silos and control circuitry have rusted with no sons of sons of German engineers left to fix them."

Israel?

Are you afraid big Texas Apple Pie Boy? Didn't mom teach you to never worry about Israel? They're too dependent on USA, boy. In 1948 USA gave the yes to the Jews to take Palestina and get rid of the Palestines and open up a knew country; Israel.

Why? The concentrationcamps in The Second World War.

But nobody saw USA give away a piece of land to those Gypsies and Homosexuals and Criminals and Retards who shared the same space in those camps, Treblinka, Auschwitz and others.

But of course, they're not Gods fave-choosen-people.

In 1960-something the White Proud Jews in Israel was in need of someone to clean their toilets, kitchens and bathtubs. So they allowed the Fallashas to move to Israel. (black jews from Ethiopia) These black jews are placed lowest on the society ladder. And the Palestines are still living in the outlands.

And to me that shows that people are the same where ever you go.*

* except for USA where people tend to be a little more stupid, naive... "uhh, the bad guy, uh, no, the good guy, nothing in between."

"Uh, we can't learn the kids about evolution here in Nebraska, that's not the way how God created us Americans."

Clas,
Yes, Clinton was on the receiving end of the only blowjobs in White House history that were documented in sworn testimony supported by physical evidence (stained dress).

Also in Washington, for awhile it had the only documented crack-smoking mayor in the world. It's a happening place.

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

and obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!

Clas, go fuck yourself. Better yet, go away! You are an ignorant

an obnoxious asshole. I.m sure there are other gb's you could

bother besides this one.

goh fuuken aff!

Oleander- Way to kiss Clas's ass! Now you have SHIT all all over you mouth. Boy, for a "doctor" you sure sound like an idiot!

Lars - Senaten röstade nej till provstoppsavtal för kärnvapen
WASHINGTON Den amerikanska senaten röstade natten till torsdagen nej till ett världsomspännande avtal om att sluta testa kärnvapen.
Omröstningen sågs som ett förödmjukande nederlag för president Bill Clinton, som 1996 var den förste politiske ledare som undertecknade provstoppsavtalet.
Clinton uttryckte förstås stor besvikelse men underströk att "kampen ännu inte är över".
Röstsiffrorna skrevs till 48-51. Fyra republikanska överlöpare röstade för. Men för att avtalet skulle godkännas krävdes 67 ja-röster.

Ha! Typiskt rävspel.

And now fellow yankees:

Todays word is IDIOM. I am sure you all wonder what the hell that word is? Let me explain;

If you ask Nikkie where Walter is and the answer she comes up with is;

- Oh, he ran around the corner last night. He took down his sign in the late night rain. He is no longer with us.

So, what Nikkie means here is; Walter is dead. But she don't use the words "died" or "dead". But still you understand what the question is about, don't you?

Okay, the 34 percent in USA that are able to write and read, YOU understand what this shit is about? Okay OKAY OKAY, read it over and over and soon a shilling will drop down (that was also an idiom).

Anyway, the example above describes what an IDIOM is.

C

Sox was robbed last night. True story: In '86, with the Mets down to their last out, I turned on the VCR to tape the climatic moment when the curse of the Bambino was finally broken. The tape is still running.

Mu/Stranger: I can't say I agree much with either of youze guys politics but it is fun as hell to read your rants. Keep it up and I might vote for McCain. But not Keyes . . . that would be a stretch.

All: Am I the only one who is not annoyed by Clas and Lars? They attract such vitriol here. Can't we all just get along?

"Clas you f**kin' idiot" - Hey Tom Collins, what's a matter? Are you trying to be polite? You can write "fucking idiot", I don't mind.

Don't say nigger, don't say fuckin, don't say pussy. Damn, I hear those words in the US-movies and the US-songs probably every day.

But for gods sake, don't say it real life. Don't walk into a coffeeshop and order BLACK coffee. Today you say DARK coffee. "Else colored people get offended."

And get rid of the minoroties from the beach, we're shooting Baywatch here in a moment.

We are the "richest" country on earth and we have no FUCKING PROBLEMS.

So Collins, I think you're hors de combat now eh? And one more thing, take your stupid posts and shover them up your narrow pussy, fuckhead.

C

.......

Sorry Ruby, hej! Didn't see you.

"Swedes Inc.--I love it when you talk like that. It's kind of refreshing to see Americans feel left out for a change"

SouthAmerica - CentralAmerica - NorthAmerica - Greenland

Oh baby Ole, you don't see the picture. You are left out more than you will ever know. But I don't blame you for not seeing the whole picture. Everybodys eye has a "blind spot".

By The Way hon, where are your beloved newbies these days? Did it never enter your mind that the only thing that was new with those fuckheads was their handles? Uncle Tom, Scrathchie, Bobba or whatever they called themselves at the time.

Hutch - how old are you? Three dots. Nothing more and nothing less. Look around in newspapers and books (you ARE reading books and newspapers?).

The Stranger - so he DID get a blowjob! Great. What do the womans lib say about that poor rich girl? That she was used, raped?

Lars - "främlingen" är rätt cool. Annars så skriver jag lite så här, svenska, utan mål och mening.

C

I'm enjoying all the snippets everyone is sharing. So I'm breaking my posting fast to join in. I raise my cup to fezo for thinking of it...

In King Of The World, I love the part where "...assassins, cons & rapers/ might as well/ diiiiiiiiie." Great cut-off.

The guitar solo in Everything You Did is a fav of mine.

rb

and the winner, yet again is.... America !

Greetings, all ... another obsessed fan stumbles into your midst, from the misty shores of Puget Sound. Nice place y'all got here.

To join in one of the current threads: a favorite snippet of mine (among many) is sorta towards the end of the extended instrumental in "Aja," when the sax (Shorter?) lets out this one blast that sounds like a human voice crying out.

Perhaps more later. Gotta go back to my obsession. :-)

/The duck

Frickin' Sox.

But at least the game put me in mind of that night of nights, July 26, 1996, last time the Dan played the Boston area. Shout outs to the Danfans I met that night, including Beautiful Survivor and hubster, Big Dan Fan in CT, No name, Josie, and, always, D.

Next year in Mansfield?

d lee stan: I've been given older versions of cakewalk and band in a box... without documentation... I've not had time to figure out cakewalk but I can use band in a box well enough to print sheet music for songs that I worked up for the old band...

I saw Robert Cray tonight. I last saw him 10 years ago in a very small club (capacity 100 - sold out) where he played 3 dance sets for $5.00... tonight he played one set (capacity 1500 - 60% full) and tickets were $26.00!

When are the Red Sox going to learn not to play former Cubs players (Buckner, Beck)?

Stranger ~ One major area where the "wind it ten years back scenario" presents a problem is when the computer is called upon to calculate stuff OVER time...the best example(s) of which would be an amortization table for a loan or an actuarial table to calculate accrued benefits. That's why the banks are focusing on making sure all systems are Y2K compliant (to keep their loans straight); likewise, that's why people want to make sure the government systems will pay their benefits in January without a hitch. Personal PCs are for the most part non-problematic...

Doc ~ Your mention of one MM snippet brought to mind yet another two favs of mine: the final background vocal turnaround on "Peg" outro where Michael stretches up for high E on 'movie'!!! & the intro Tom Scott/Lyricon melody...both still give me goosebumps 22 years later!

Oleander & Ruby ~ Chris C. thanks you for your kind thoughts...sweetest kid in the world!

Stranger: Buy a new iMac with DVD drive for under $1599 with monitor...and buy me one while your at it. Download your stuff onto the Mac hard drive and buy Virtual Windows '98 for $99 (of course that's like spray painting grafitti on the Mona Lisa). Actually, since most computers did not crash on 9/9/99. it's unlikely that much will happen on 1/1 except for paroxysmal hysteria brom the citizenry. You may or may not remember from your computer classe(s) (especially COBOL and FORTRAN) that 99 was often used to signal the end of subroutines.

Bunch of posts seem to have been lost.

Non-Dan Question for Computer understanders: Is it possible to avoid the y2k computer problem by just resetting the calendar to 10 years ago? Or is that too simple? Cause I don't give a damn if my computer knows what date it is. It doesn't have any appointments to keep anyway.

Go Sox! 3-2 now...I don't know though...Bambino is pissed that the asterisk has been bashed the last 2 years - he sez it's all that Triple AAA pitching...maybe when the Cubs win the pennant or Steely Dan releases a...

Scam: How about the acoustic piano stutter after the break on Your Gold Teeth II?

Another snippet from Katy. The glorious descending piano near the end of Any World in between MM crying "any world that I'm welcome to" and Fagen singing "any world will do" for the first time @ 3:22.

If anybody cares dept.: Ghana was first invaded by the great nations of Europe in 1482 in the form of the Portugese. Holland, Britain, and yes even Sweden were frequent traders with this Gold Coast nation until the late 1800's when Queen Victoria snatched it for her own. Knew a guy from Ghana in Louisiana about 15 years ago...looked (high cheekbones) and mostly sounded like Hakeem Alajuwon (sp?) minus a foot in height...cool dude

Stranger: How could you forget Miss America?...and she's not even inbred as are the royalty in Europe...and now we have a coke-snorting frat boy from a well-to-do royal family of sorts who happened to be a better governor that Bill C adopting the same triangulation strategy used ferociously and effectively by Bubba and designed by the evil genius turned born-again Catholic Dick Morris...and married to Hillary of unknown sexual (dis)orientation. You can't make this shit up! Is it just me or do most NY politicians (Mayor Rudy, Mayor Koch, Alfonse D'Amato) sound like Mike Tyson?? We can't forget how a war hero and independent thinking maverick is ignored by the people...and the most conservative individual is not Pat Buchanan (who is a fascist by definition (no, it has nothing to do with concentration camps - but the right of the government to control factories and economic policy over the free market (in communism there is no market) as in strangling free trade), but Alan Keyes who is ignored because he is black AND conservative - no greater pariah exists in today's media...the only king is and ever will be here is Elvis!

left out - that's why the Senate did not ratify the nuclear test ban treaty. What fun we would have missed watching from afar as North Korea, India, Pakistan, the Chinese, the Isrealis tested their weapons!...and listen to Saddam laugh as he launches a few biological scuds because our silos and control circuitry have rusted with no sons of sons of German engineers left to fix them.

Swedes Inc.--I love it when you talk like that. It's kind of refreshing to see Americans feel left out for a change.

more--yeah.... same # of letters.... almost works out crypto-wise.

Mock--I think you're right.

Prez of En--are YOU in the driver's seat?

RS--Ah! I'll get you and Myra "The Joy of Sox"!

Happy birthday to you too, Clas.

TheStranger: Just goes to show you....Clinton has lived the American dream....now what all-american, doe eyed, young man wouldn't strive for that?

Roy.Scam: Let's see I am about 3 years younger than Darryl Hall, and 10 years younger than Steve Young, so that would make you....oh wow!
Mum on the Sox and the curse, it ain't over till it's over, Shhhhhhhh!

Wishing Clas and Mr. Roy Scam a very happy belated birthday!

http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/11/odd-sperm

Clas,
There American dream lives. Our President rose from the ranks of trailer park white trash to the White House, where he received blowjobs from a rich Jewish girl from Beverly Hills. Top that.

Hey Lars: I'm gonna go ahead and say this, because I
don't have an address to send it to personally. My comments
were merely a superficial attempt at crossing a language
bridge. Also, they were not slanted in any way toward
ridiculing the use of Swedish here.
I do however applaud the steps you and others take to
comprehend other's languages - especially the ludicrous ramblings presented here.
Lastly, perhaps we should take lessons from those who've
faced similar language barrier situations, you know, like
the commercial air people or the aeronautical folks, and
stick to one language, namely, English. Seem reasonable?
Of course, you must bear in mind that I avoid all arguments
that involve the ancient issue of precedence: Quebec, Israel,
Ireland, Rwanda, etc. (There are no winners.)

Through with fuzz...

http://www.onhoops.com/content/articles/Oct1999/wilt.html

that snippet guitar/piano lick after "or maybe you would to see the show" on "Sign in Stranger"

the near-pathetic, withering, death-like outro to "Third World Man"....a fitting end

Hutch: It's your turn. C'mon, tell us what you REALLY feel about the pissing Swede!

Roy: You keep dreamin' - Yanks in 5.

ygk

Oleander & some fuckin/spanking girl: Thanks for the birthday salutation. It's nice that your generations remember their elders. I am, and always will be, exactly three years older than Darryl Hall, and 15 years older than Steve Young.

KD: Any eulogistic words on the passing of Wilt the Stilt?

F#: Thanks for the tip on that Procol Harum title. Illuminated a 30 year old mystery for me.

fezo: As mentioned by someone else, two of the best Steely Dan snippets are 1) the sax laugh after "..tumbles into the sea" in My Old School, and 2) the piano behind the guitar solo in Bad Sneakers.-- I remember that saxaphone riff in MOS hitting me like a piece of shrapnel flying out of my early-70's hi-fi. The tumbling California reference made such a nice natural counterpoint to the man made holocaust of King of the World.

Another great snippet: The two second electric piano stutter after the pause in the instrumental break in Your Gold Teeth.

Sox in seven; the curse is over,
RS

hey prez of encryption:

we don't have a chance in hell of getting these right, do we?

By the way, Mr. Lundkvist, if you and Lars want to talk about the "fuckin Yankees" why don't you do it by e-mail to each other instead of wasting space on this board with your idiotic and uninformed opinions.

Honestly folks, I've tried my level best to hold my tongue when it comes to this Swedish Meatball but those days are over.

Clas - Why are you so hung up on punctuation? What damn difference does it make how many dots or question marks someone puts in a post. Isn't it vastly more important to read and understand what's being said? Frankly, I think your comment only goes to show just how childish you can be.
I read that dopey poem and I agree with "Leonard".
To tell you the truth, it really looks like something you would write.

Look at this shit:

"Leonard Pinth Carnell
@BAD poetry

Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 at 22:58:45
Comments:
"....cause they're tired of all the pranks by Marty Moose."
"....Carol Lina Anchient(sp) China."

???????
Nothing does my heart more good than truly BAD poetry.

L.P.C."

It looks like it was written by a child. ARE you a child Leonard?

For your information, and it's for free, (hey you're not used to that uh?) three dots... not five, two, seven or eight.

And if you write more than one (1) ?-sign it will only reveal that you never went to school.

Put your mind to it next time.

C

Lars - tror dom att vi snackar skit om dom när vi snackar svenska? Herregud, vill jag förolämpa några av dom där skitstövlarna så vill jag vara säker på att dom förstår vad jag säger. Fuckin yankees, ha!

USA, you have a problem, it's that Rio Grande. Mexicans comes in to your country easy as nothing. Why don't you stop it? It would be an easy thing to do. But I think you don't WANT to stop it. Why? Because you need underpaid nannys and underpaid gardeners. That slavething will never go away uh? And it's good for your selfesteeme too, I mean, if you're not better than a Mexican, whom are you then better than?

Ssshhh, I can hear the answer:

- You fuckin moron, why do you think they come to the great country of the great land of ours? Because they can be millionairs and even Presidents in this great land of ours. It's the American dream man! Suck my big fat dick psycho, it's the American Dream!

- Ha! No, it's not, it's the ROYAL SCAM!

PS/ And why does Donald Fagen think they sing in Italian in Ghana? Probably because he mixed up Ghana with Genua.

DONALD FAGEN! Ghana is an African Country! And it has never been occupied by Italians. And there is no such thing as a Ghana Rondo. Stop insult the third world in your lyrics! Shame on you for your ignorance!

C

It's not the vehicle
It's the means of transportation
It's not the present
It's the final destination

"....cause they're tired of all the pranks by Marty Moose."

"....Carol Lina Anchient(sp) China."

???????
Nothing does my heart more good than truly BAD poetry.

L.P.C.

Dr. Mu and you

My Rival is in a vortex.

I recently noticed Fagan's descending scat matched note-for-note at the openning of Steve Khan's solo. It was probably invented in the reverse order we hear it.

For me My Rival fits the pattern of enlightened rediscovery that characterizes so much of SD. I am beginning to seriously consider; does Gaucho match and even surpass Aja. It may be safe to say their best work is their most recent

The sticking point is Third World Man- one of SD's more baffling inclusions. It is a smug throwaway written for the critics at Rolling Stone. Sorry but "Yuck"

Anybody out there use Cakewalk Guitar 2, or Band-in-a-Box?

SD song titles continue to show up in unusual places - I read an article tonight that mentioned a story called "Pretzel Logic" written by Lisa Rogak - it's a fictionalized account of her experience dealing with her husband's revelation that he was gay.

I was having a slow morning at work and did some web-surfing. I learned that Donald's wife, Libby Titus, was once in a relationship with Levon Helm and they had a daughter, Amy Helm, who sings backup on Kamakiriad (she's the one who says "You're not my Jackie"). So it looks like Walter is not the only one to have the voice of a family member on a solo CD. You can read more about Ms. Titus at theband.hiof.no/albums/libby_titus.html.

Elliott Randall's web site, www.elliott-randall.com, is quite good and has intriguing artwork as well as lots of information and interesting links. He talks a bit about SD in his interview in Classic Rock. He might say something about them in the other interviews; I didn't have time to read them.

KD - You had asked about the liner notes for the remastered albums - they can be found at members.home.com/metzger/dan/bar/reissue.htm.

And the army's of the opulent... will want to call a truce...
cause they're tired of all the pranks by Marty Moose..

Magnetic fields are overun with positive charges seldom seen by the caboose...
Captivating comments, make it easy to shun abuse...
and I never had a dream like that... until I spent some time inside your noose...

Cam leaded pistons... showing off at their debut... and what a time it took to get here... is
still talked about by muses such as yourself on this wonderous occasion...
Make mine a double... I can't seem to find the trouble you claim is right under my nose...
Morty and Jeff are on their way... to the systematic demise of modern crime.

Spellbound and breathless... I didn't mean to sound so helpless... on the phone...
It occured to me you were restless... and somewhat ashamed of calling me while
being stealthless.
I seemed to have a recollection of the place you now call
home... do wah... do wah... do yeah... Do shooby do wah whistler's mother is back
in town... and she ain't looking too happy... she got Frank and Gene and Andy... all
uptight bout what's goin down this summer...

diddla diddla doo doo wop... diddla diddla doo doo kay...
got an aunt called Martha Rae... and an uncle called Sugar Ray...
Systems are online now... didn't mean for you to have a cow...
my judgement may lack pizazz... in this forty second phase...

Shivers run up and down your spine...
yet you lack respect for Italian wine...
caring just an ounce per day... making sure you spend the optimum pay... on your
habitual mental capacity while smoking hay... in the southern bay of the
most western hemishere of shame and photographic memoriablilia. Your time honored means
of trade are often confused with reasons to care by the thereputic winds of paradise...

Lack luster... listen to me buster... if you haven't tried it yet don't bother...
cause the young at heart are all hanging on your every word...
If it makes sense don't refuse it... if it makes dents... don't accuse it...
cause the sentimental value alone makes it all worth while.

Cape Cod... is a matter of mindset... why don't we make the commitment..
to cover our tracks in the open snow while the show still plays again and again in our
mind and on the bigot screen...
Cute FTP promises... of ultimate comprimises... of future anarchy rises...
make everyday occurences of immediate drama pretenses obsolete by any man's measure...
and the need for constant pleasure... made possible by the condensed version
of the layman's frustration of placing your faith in a world or king that does not exist.

Carol Lina... anchient china...
The spell is complete...
You ate what you eat on my time...
but didn't have room for vagina's....

You must have been fed...
just look at your head...
it's larger than Aunt Jemima's...
That scarf and/or rag...
is not your bag...
it's been said you are in the market for change.
Yet cling to the strange... and yet afraid to arrange your destiny on a platter for all to see.

Love, hate, put it on my plate...
let everyone see my demise in plain sight...
I got everything you wanted... even more if you ever counted...
the simple pleasures found without a trace.

Becker + Fagen = 'THE best music combo ever re-invented perpetually'

I remember listening religously to Steely Dan when I was a teenager. And only recently I found the archives of the actual lyrics that had so much been apart of my life when I was a punk kid. It astounded me to find out that the lyrics were not at all what I had 'thought' them to be, but rather suttle similarities that once again blew my mind when I realized what Donald was actually singing ;)

YDM! SD!

You Da Man... Steely Dan!

But Lars darlink, that's the way it always was -- and MUST be... cf. "Das Unbehagen in der Kultur," if you don't believe me...

eNwhY, 'n worl'wide

this web page bites my ass...it sux..it doesnt have enuff child porn on it....
buncha bitchasses...
if you want to see some real kid porn ..just email me at kormath@interaccess.com

earthbound and others- there are plenty of good on-line swedish-english dictionaries for you to use in case you are interested in some postings. Funny how much fuzz some swedish discussion causes. We´ve tried that before with the same result. Have you ever thought of who are the one´s that must translate every posting on this site??? Compare your understanding with mine when I have to read about topics like if there have been a concert on this or that airbase or if some unknown person insulted another unknown (to me) on a (to me) unknown tv-show. Geeez, I dont understand it! If internet is a global medium then you englishspeaking persons have to stand some other languages too. At least 0,000001% of the postings. Why dont we do this on a neutral language? German? French? Make you choise; accept the media or stop behavin´like narrowminded and uneducated fools.

clas and roy.scam: happy birthday, guys...

the first russian word = "KBLSHZp" in MS Word

Clas + Lars:

Does Berlitz offer an on-line translation service
where one could simply copy & paste some of our
Norse brethren's dialogue?

Zeke, Zeke, Zeke! Good brutha, send me a howdy.
The old address seems not to work. I've got a coupla
questions needing expert attention.

Ripcord:

Wow. How do I say this delicately... You've
got a knack for delivering the goods. I applaud
you're ability to concisely rehash events of the
day - or night.

The tiles are tantalizing! I'll have to brainstorm
their implications and respond soon. Are they Rudy-
designed? Do they truly reflect the New One's titles?
"Anyone? Anyone?" Jack o' Speed seems reasonable.

I've got two concerts coming up soon, and I'm "jonesin'"
to see both:

John Paul next Wedn. and Rickie Lee on 11/1.

More to come, Earthbound

hi Clas - here we go again! Shakin´that safe tree with our strange words and dots.

Thus spoke Lord B:

Right away we walk the walk
More or less we talk the talk
But every time we make our play
Their eyes get wide they run away

Poor fellows and so little selfconfidence.

Clas,

What? I have to agree with Mars!

Clas- you sound like an asshole in any language you write in.

Lars - Lund? Du jobbar på universitetet va? Min farfar var född i Lund.

Nä, Fasching är inte alltid bra, men ofta.

HJälp, nu får vi snart återgå till Engelska, StaL pissar snart i byxorna.

hej du Clas; nä jag är nästan så långt söderöver du kan komma: Lund. Fasching är väl alltid bra?

Lars - bor du söderöver eller i samma stad som jag? Jag hade för mig att du pendlar? Är du här i stan torsdag? Fasching, e de nåt på det? Jag kommer inte ihåg vad dom heter men barytonsaxen Gunnar Bergsten är med b la. Och nån som kallar sig Texas Johansson eller nånting sånt.

Tror det kan vara bra.

Skit i det här om du inte orkar.

C

If there are no dates in Sweden I don´t care about any lists!

Wayne Shorter on Aja; the horn interlude on SiS/AiA and horn arrangement on Teahouse on the tracks are good ones.Oh, I forgot the bassplayer on On the dunes (is that really WB????)

Clas: Shweety, dalink... we even have the same last name DanFan!
KatyDanFan is my long lost sister.

Bad Sneakers. And Gaucho (- good job there Fezo).

That's my faves.

JosieDanFan - you found your sister? Here? Have I missed something?

C

forgot to ask -- just on a flyer -- does anybody have a cyrillic font on their computer somewhere? like in photoshop? Just wondering what would happen if you type "2 against nature" on the keyboard when cyrillic font is active? Like I said it's just a thought

one snipet:
"For seven seconds it's like Christmas Day/
Then it's dark again - oh, ohh, ohhh " (perfect guitar riff)/
"Then it's dark again" (perfect modulation into new key)

The hope-to-wistful resignation movement of the lyrics; the way the guitar riff perfectly mirrors the same emotional movement; the way the whole bridge then soars off into the new key -- it's a killer.

Tour dates: very funny. I mean, Winston-Salem? I'll wait for the ODP to put them up. I know very well they're coming to Asheville.

Speaking of which: starting from the front page--beautiful colors, and I agree would make an intriguing album cover--"Katy Flies." The Russian is gobbledegook, just a bunch of interesting Cyrillic letters moshed together, roughly "2 fpfshti tfegku," and it makes no more sense in Russian either. "2 Against Nature" would be "Dva Protif Prirodi," or something close to that. Funny coincidence that right around then was a thread here involving Soviet art, which this resembles.

The tiles: fertile ground for fever dreamers! (I know I don't have the sequence right) 1) "Jack of Speed." Very cute. 2) The SUV--about self-absorbed, oblivious yuppies? who's in the driver's seat? Hate to say I hope it's not "Fall of '92." I'd hope for something more timely and timeless. 3) Sure looks like Jam St. to me and I love the sound of it. YGK--get down there and see if you can find a corner like that on Jane St.! 4) Looks more like Diamond Lil giving nasal CPR to Ferdinand the Bull. 5) Why is the compass rose off LA pointing west instead of the traditional north? 6) isn't that chair floating in a lanai, which you find in tropical climes? 7) I think it's "Gaslight" too. From a play called "Angel Street"--isn't that a nice name? The only other film I know they were in together was "Arch of Triumph," which had a loftier theme. 8) no idea who the woman is. Hair looks like Edith Piaf. Silhouette reminds me too of Aretha. Pinning my hopes too on this one for 2A. 9) YGK, yes, Roy Lichtenstein, don't know the name, though he often named these after their snippets of dialogue. Could this be the designated POP hit single? 10) Hat & cigar remind me of Magritte--the cigar, ceci n'est pas une pipe. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait. Did enjoy the hints in Steely Mail.

Doc K--Better put away all your Darwin. You could get in major trouble.

Mr Stew--Wow! How'd you pull that off--Alaska to Costa Rica?? I'd love to hear that one--great to hear from you.

SFK--you too. How are the little steely poppets?

Edd--Thank you. I looked up melisma my own self. I love that horn snippet too.

Pres of Tall Bldgs--why don't we let Superman decide that?

no handle--copacetic! It's party time.

Pompe--when the glow of all those scans and codeine dies down, will you ask him to e me?

Other snippets: in "Haitian Divorce" and "Tomorrow's Girls" when the song--changes--do you know what I mean? And in "On the Dunes" after he says "homicide" and it sounds like someone dropped the tamhourine.

Jeez, enough already.

JW: great choice of snippet...another prime cut is the horn/guitar/organ break in the middle of My Rival - nice ascending groove followed by Mr. Steve Khan's burst.

preferred venue in the LA basin: beach blanket bingo on the dunes?

The venues *really* chosen should be interesting. I know they want to make a buck, but some intimate places with great natural acoustics would be a dream...turn the power amps down, just until we're out of town - distortion is a natural part of the power amp (that's why I generally loathe rock arenas)... on that note - Dan at Carnegie? or even Cameron Indoor Stadium (acoustics fitted for Ella Fitzgerald)?

Worst all-time acoustics go to the defunct Charmichael Auditorium in Chapel Hill. A real tin box that would make one's head rattle as if welded to the business end of a tuning fork.

Having a number of listens to Flaunt the Imperfection on CD, where it's getting the dynamic range and high signal to noise ratio it deserves. Despite the mid 80s synth style in parts, WB really was on top of it in the production department. His attention to detail and groove really did bring out out the best in the album - like when to call for vocal harmonizing, doubling up, call and repeat, or solo. Just the right snippets at the right time - like when he asks the singer to The lyrics are a bit poetic and philosophical without pretension and with stream of consciousness abstractions which piqued Walter's interest I'm sure. There's a nice consistency without causing each song to sound the same - the whole is greater than the sum of the songs. The tunes are good overall, but only a few appraoch moving..still feel there are much better tunes on diary of a Hollow Horse, but Walter did not produce the entirely. The 2 songs he did not produce were mistakenly released as the singles, bombed, and so did the album...anyway, WB makes the most of the songs on Flaunt. Example: King in a Catholic Style (a hit in England?) starts of with a synth loop that is related to the verse melody - it is minimalistic but pleasant. Just when the synth is starting to lose me, a kickin' drum groove drives in with a little shuffle in just the right place. Here the right choice of a guitar solo - a little incindiery but melodic series of riffs a la Carlton. Nice faux piano theme in the background on Strength of Character and a crystalline sax solo - a fine recording. The sax opens You Did Cut me reminiscent of Sad Cafe's self-titled 3rd album from 1980 or '81 and a bit of a Dan-like horn chart with a clean guitar solo covering a very solid, but not remarkable melody. One of the best tunes Bigger the Punch I'm Feeling has some Becker-like guitar riffs and a real nice flugelhorn solo with some interplay with the guitar like on Snowbound - then a nice break of rhythm with crying guitar as we descend. Gift of Freedom begins to get repetitive - then is enlivened by an *outstanding* horn chart. Strangely though, Wall of God which is possibly the strongest tune, has a hopping groove (drum/bass) that reminds me oddly of David Bowie's China Girl, and is surrounded mostly by swirling synthesizers with only a touch of crying guitar leaving us long for more (the guitar solo is played through a synth?)...almost as if WB were creating some cosmic parity with the rest of the album...give an overall though A to the coach, a solid B to the team...still looking for Hollow Horse on CD - I know what is sounds like on tape...

Reed Irvine - Not only is the US Air Arena not used for concerts anymore, it's about to be demolished and replaced by housing. And it's not in Landover; it's in Largo, a town that was a country crossroads (Maryland routes 202 and 214) with a gas station until what was then known as the Capital Centre was built and eventually sparked development in the area. I remember going to concerts there in the '70s when the arena was still surrounded by woods.

Doc Mu,
You've got a point. Diana Krall started out as piano player and drifted into singing later. Plays and sings on her albums.

I'm sorry but I don't believe Don or Walt are going on tour in an area that's going to be below zero right smack in the middle of the winter. If you're going to spread these BS rumors at least have them starting the tour out west in the middle of Feb.

Talking genitalia on a Dan album? I don't think so!

#5 -- the one w/the silhouette & other : The Second Arrangement

?

The Barber of Seville?

shave me...shave me

Dr. Mu , I like that schedule !

Well... let's see. Sesame Street Live is at the Providence Civic Center Feb.17th through Feb.20th and the Knicks play Vancouver at Madison Square Garden on March 7th.
Big Bird ain't gonna step aside for NOBODY!

Whoever posted those dates needs to drink his BBC and get outta here.

Santa Monica????? Certainly not at that echo box known as the Santa Monica Civic! (Yeah, I know...they played there before back in the '70s, but that place is hardly EVER used for concerts anymore!)

Fav Snippet: sax solo on "Caves..."

Back to the epic surf....aaaaoooowwwwwwwww!!!!!

TD: I saw a very similar rumored list about 3 weeks ago. Pittsburgh, Albany, Portland ME, and Providence RI in FEBRUARY??!!! Let's inject Mr. Fagen with rhino virus strains and Type A flu NOW and get it over with!!

This would be more like it (2-3 days/week)

The I would Love to Tour the Southland Winter Tour

Miami, FL (2/3)

Clearwater/ Tampa, FL (2/5)

Atlanta, GA (2/10)

New Orleans, LA (2/12)

Houston, TX (2/16)

Austin, TX (2 dates) (2/18 and 2/19)

Phoenix, AZ (2/24)

San Diego, CA (2/26)

Santa Monica, CA (why not? Is there gas in the bus...errrr, Lear Jet?) (2/29 - Leap Day)

Honolulu, HI (3/3)

just thought about it....that would be the second note of Hey Nineteen, after the downbeat. *duh*

Bullshit on the tour dates.

fezo....on snippets, guitar on Don't Take Me Alive and the first note of Hey Nineteen.

MC

I smell a scam (No offense Roy)

US Air Arena in Landover has rarely been used for concerts, if at all, since the owner of that venue, built and opened the MCI Center in downtown DC.

The supposed tour dates have least two instance of shows on four consecutive nights. This would be tasking for any artist, not to mention someone like Fagen with his voice problems of late

BTW - When did Rolling Stone start making announcements on Sunday?

I don't buy this. There's nothing on RollingStone.com or Billboard.

Do you have a verifiable source for this?

The Fleet Center?

I'd rather stick needles in my ears...

Subject: ###Steely Dan Winter Spring Tourdates###
Date: 29 Sep 1999 15:54:10 GMT

Steely Dan's New Album is due out in early March.. They are currently sloted to play a winter-spring tour to promote the new album. It begins in late Febuary and goes until mid- April.. The first leg of the tour was just announced yesterday by Steely Dan productions and Rolling Stone Magazine..
Here are the first portion of the dates,
the second portion of the dates wil be announced sometime in November..
Febuary 19th Providence Civic Center

Providence, RI

Febuary 20th-21st The Fleet Center

Boston, MA

Febuary 23rd Cumberland County Arena

Portland, ME

Febuary 24th Pepsi Arena

Albany, NY

Febuary 25-26th The War Memorial Rochester, NY

Febuary 27th CSU Pavilion

Cincinatti, OH

Febuary 28th Pittsburgh Civic Arena

Pittsburgh, PA

Mar 3rd-4th The Spectrum

Philadelphia, PA

Mar 5th The USAir Arena

Landover, MD

Mar 7th-8th Madison Square Garden

NY, NY

Mar 10th The Arena

Winston Salem, NC

Mar 11th-12th North Charleston Arena

North Charleston, SC

Mar 13th The Omni

Atlanta, GA

Edd: hornomatopoeia

personal note: single Carlton note snippet avec cosmic vibrato; DTMA, instrumental interlude. lent RS album to apartment-mate who returned vinyl with a skipping snippet. he had to buy another record for me [and do the fucking dishes for a change]. sometimes all you need is one note.

another note: cool festivation idea and/or challenge?
1. Herm cleans cave and invites GB in to dig on his new $5,000 stereo system [blessings on your day job, Herm]

2. no one has played the CD for themselves

3. obvious

cave painting optional

groping for handle

"Splat," like Deja Vu,

And I got another clip down at deja crew.

Snippet:

The descending line played by the saxes after the line "California tumbles into the sea..."

The final note played by the bari just sounds like a big "splat"...

Fezo - If I may be permitted, I'll mention two of many favorite snippets:

The piano chords behind the guitar solo on "Bad Sneakers". I think that's Michael Omartian

Larry Carleton's solo on "Kid Charlemagne" is, of course, a classic but I'm just as impressed by the little fills he continues with when Donald comes back in with the last verse. Very tasty!

Hutch

Fezo: I love your question, but trying to decide which one would make my brain implode upon its self. There are just TOO many snipets that I adore! If I MUST choose though, it's the opening from 'Josie'. It starts out so mysterious and moody, then it builds into that sarcastic funky beat ( especially the bass line.)that just gets my whole being -mind, body, and soul- motivated and inspired. I have to listen to it now! Chack you later
JDF

Clas: You're right. Happy happy joy joy!!! I love it in here 24/7!! Everyone's so nice and sweet, especially that Kinky fellow! Yippee!!
I'm such a smart-ass, I annoy myself! But you ARE right. I've invested far too much time to just give up. I've made some good friends, and met my long lost sister in here. Thanks for making me realize it.
JDF

i'm tired of gazing at tiles; it's looking for mysteries with too many damn clues; and the new home page front reminds me of nothing but a vodka ad, so . . . how about if we talk about music?

i suggest a variation on the "what's your favorite" question. but instead of favorite song or album, i'm curious about everyone's favorite SD snippet. It can be a line from a song, a particular vocal phrasing, a mind-blowing instrumental, or any combination thereof.

i pick the sax at the beginning of "Gaucho" going right into one of Donald's most embittered performances. he's been burned again and you can hear the bile rising from his throat.

i could listen to the first, say, 30 seconds, of that song again and again and again.

Ygk - no no no, Anry not Henrik. Ygåå not Hugo. Clean up your french man!

And yes, I'm intresserad, 2 bucks, if you pay the airticket.

JosieDanFan - yeah, isn't this shit boring? But who is going to keep the spirit in the air if not we. The last ones.

Hey folks,
How's it going in the Land o' Dan? Ahh fuck it, I give up...

.....speaking of works of art - is anyone interested in a 12x15 version of "The Flamingos", by Henri Rousseau, pre 1907?.....it needs a clean, but it's certified....

ygk

Thanks Stranger + Mu. That was a whole answer.

Sven - thanks, don't forget Browne and Lennon.

Berklee has 3000 students. 1200 are guitarplayers and almost everybody plays faster than the light.

The guitarplaying future is safe. And so is the economy in Berklee.

C

Pictures of the sessions... Ha! We have a better chance of some kind words from Kinky before seeing session pics, Hot of the Casio or not.

Until then, kind words or session pics, open your Citizen Dan booklet to the in-the-studio picture, it's in there somewhere.

When is the Damned coming back East?

maj©

Mitch - I'm with you. It really would be nice to have something a bit more tangible. Since the album isn't coming out till the first of next year I doubt that they would give out a whole lot of specifics this early. But some insights and maybe some photos from the sessions would sure be great, wouldn't it? Maybe a
picture of the cover. What harm could that do? Hopefully, we'll be seeing a lot of new stuff on the site soon.

Downloaded the RealPlayer / RealJukebox thingy the other night. The Jukebox is nice. It records the tracks pretty fast. Got a couple of nice SD "Best of" programs set up to listen to while I'm wasting my time on the computer!

Listening to Deacon Blues last night. That song is truly a work of art.

Caught the last half of Boz Scaggs set on Austin City Limits tonight. In his band... Drew Zingg on guitar and Cornelius Bumpass on tenor sax.

Hutch

NSW - I wonder if Walter is reading what we write and thinking, "Heh, heh, they're so happy with that new bone I gave them to chew on."

What session players?

If you want to hear ____ (fill in the blank with your favorite studio doll), go buy one of their albums.

Iwish that instead of those 9 pictures of nothing, Donald and Walter maybe, could have rapped about the Session players on the New One.

Diana Krall is very hot...and she's a better pianist than vocalist

Clas,
Diana Krall is very hot as jazz singer right now. Don't know about a McDonald involvement.

Happy birthday to the Scammeister, Roy.Scam!

PS. Belated birthday gift en route soon.

PPS. Thanx for all the dates. Ed & BigFan--sorry, I took 2/29 quite a while ago. Got any others?

Who gives a shit about "cover art"? Where the fuck is the record? Stop yanking our chain!

more: that's what I thought, but those words don't resemble against and nature in Russian

lots of speculation about the picture tiles, but not much about the Front Page update. Wonder what the "exciting stuff" planned "for us" is all about. And has anyone beside me wondered about the Front Page art? Drop in "Two Against Nature" instead of "Official Home Page" and you'd have a pretty cool CD cover IMHO. Hmmm....

Happy Birthday, Clas! Did your dentist give you a tooth necklace?

Cheers,

Sven

"Girl with piggy bank" - uh, I see that more as "a high class lady hooks up with a real pig". Strikes me as more of a dan theme somehow.

3a and 3b both give me the creeps. If they really do refer to the same track it's going to be one spooky song.

so, eh, the album is 'Head Over Heels', Fagen plays the synth, and they cover 'Dallas,' by B and F

In response to the trivia challenge

WHO IS JEFF PORCARO...

Is the correct answer..

Woman kissing piggybank: Cash Only Island
Aretha? silouette of singer: Not now, 38
LA: Your Money or your Soul
Cartoon: Bliss Idiot
Gaslight promo: Can't Remember Why I'm Crazy for You
DUV: What's Behind Door #3 Jimmy Buffett?
Jane St: Glare by the Stairs

Steely Dan trivia question on VH1's Rock'n'Roll Jeopardy today:

In the catagory Loco for Poco---"What co-founding member of Steely Dan played keyboards on Poco's ? ? ? album?"

can't remember the name of the album but it was kinda cool to see some Steely Dan trivia on there for a change.

MC

....."Sunrise over Jane" ( for Jane St. Pic)
...."Clueless Universe" (for the map of LA)
...."Popular Request" (for the Lichtenstein detail)
...."Smokin' Hat" guess
...."Cutout your Soul"

.....ygk

Don't take the pics so literally folks. Think metaphors.

MC

TecniColorMotorHome - congrats on that little one. Teach your child well. What I want to be? A ticket-collector on a train. Wow! And it would be awesome if Ruby was the train-driver!

Geena - I heard it is cold in Boston! Cheers, and hope everything is fine.

San Fran Knight! Hi! How's the little ones? Teach your children well!

Stanley Kubricks "Shining" was on TV last night. Kubrick left USA in the 60s -70s and then he never travelled more. So that fantastic hotel, The Overlook, who looks so great (I mean the interiors) is built in Pinewood Studios, London. I think that's something. It looks so FUCKING real! The outdoor scenes was filmed without Kubrick. He stayed home in England.

The Stranger - please, is it Krall, Kraul or what? Is it the album where Mc Donald is involved?

Have a Grateful Weekend!

C

More is right: That must be promo artwork for "Gaslight." The actor is certainly Charles Boyer. I believe the movie is in black and white, but promos placed in the theatres were often in color.

wishful thinking: 3a and 3b are The 2nd Arrangement and the second arrangement of The 2nd Aarrangment

Just a warning; my owner has been to the dentist the day before yesterday. He's suffering from an enormous toothpain, I think he's going to log in soon and he'll probably just babble about himself again. But don't scroll, please, don't scroll.

12/1 release date. That is if Wal-Mart can make room in time. And of course that's Nicholson's face on the train. He's a big Lakers' Fan.

Go OU,

Ram

WB and whoever else have to be reading us and loving this conjecture and confusion

it _is_ Jane St., wow, 12th times' a charm

we have on, Jack o Speed, nothing else

I think that is Groucho Marx I see on front of that train...

That's some fine detective work, my fellow Danizens! Good call(s), YGK! ~ Hopefully, more will be revealed...

Identifiable stuff on the official site:
1. Absolutely for certain that's a map of L.A. & surrounding area. I can see my house. First album was also drawn from L.A. The EastCoasters didn't like it so couldn't buy a thrill.
2. Ingrid Bergman and Paul Henreid from Casablanca. Strange choice. Usually shown is Bergman with Bogart. The characters of Ingrid and Paul had a one-sided marriage of unrequited love.
3. Street is back east somewhere.
4, Bullet train and Nicholson w/stache? or saddam? Or cross tween two plus bullet train? Another Japanese tour?

Ruby and Clas,

Been a long time since I posted. Just got back from Phoenix, ashes to a flame, I guess. I have a baby now, almost 7 months old. I named her Erin, but gave her a middle name of Aja. Don't spend much time checking the board, but realize that you and Clas are still very active. You guys have always been there when I needed ya. If you two could be anything that you dreamed of, what would it be? I'm still thinkin'.

image #5 - girl with mic: is the cutout actaully the young Aretha?

the other iamges collectively somehow make me think of "goodbye porkpie hat" - if that's not an actually ol'e jazz standard, it's close....uncertain at the moment. I know it's a stretch.

ygk

Jane street is actually in the Greenwich Village, specifically the West Village, not SOHO

The 'cartoon' is from a Roy Lichtenstein painting - who is also commonly known as aa POP artist, along with Warhol & co.

Nicholson's face is taken from "the Shining"

Definitely a Map of LA

other than that, I'm clueless.....

no, Geena, I didn't.

ygk

took a trip to the All Movie Guide, clicked on a few Bergman flicks from the '40s and I think I have a match, anybody agree? http://allmovie.com/cg/x.dll?UID=12:06:46|AM&p=avg&sql=A19278

Actor = Charles Boyer, Movie = Gaslight. Plot: Husband schemes to convince new bride that she's going insane.

!

more: I believe you're right...me Tarzan

The map is definitely LA LA land from Santa Barbara to Oceanside.

The street sign looks like Jam St. I'm sure *that* clears things up!

2. The street sign says "Jane St". That's a street in soho nyc. It also looks like there is a spotlight or sunrise coming in from the left

6. the chair is in the air, not on top of a table. it has a full shadow. Like it was thrown?

7. That is Ingrid Bergman, I'm almost sure its a movie poster. The man isn't Bogart tho. Anyone recognize him or the movie?

9. The map looks like LA

Geena - So that's Jack Nicholson's face? Dang, I thought it looked like Saddam Hussein. Well, Jack does make more sense.

Ok, I've been to the sight, I've clicked on the pretty little pictures, so what is this supposed to tell me?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume the pictures have something to do with the songs on the new release. Let's see:

1. The first one is a picture of a red SUV, could this be the '00 version of the Kamikiri?

2. Next I see a small piece of cityblock. A few storefront apartment buildings, of which one has a fire escape in front, and it looks like two people are hanging out and talking on it. There is a street sign but I can only make out the first two letters which look like J and A, could be "Any Major City", USA. Could this be a new version of the old song Any Major Dude?

3. Hmmmm....a woman kissing a piggy bank? AHHHHH YES, this is Snake Mary who has lots of money in the bank or has she just made a killing in pork futures? Or could she be spanish kissing that pig....EEEEEE-YUUUUUUU!

4. the cartoon could be self explanatory, or is this a song about phone sex?

5. Another one is a bowler hat and a lit cigar resting atop what looks to be a dresser...I am not going near this one!

6. There is a picture of the broken wicker chair on top of a table. Could this be the new Florida Room? or the Florida Room after a hurricane? Or that either D&W or both are just really bad housekeepers and the maid just quit?

7. Now, the picture of Ingrid Bergman, is that a real bad characterization of Humphrey Bogart or is that her husband Roberto Rossellini? Could one of the new songs be titled "Casablanca"?

8. Ahhh yes, speeding train with Jack Nicholson's face...Indeed, this is Jack of Speed or we're all going to hell real fast?

9. Maps, maps, i'm not good with maps. This looks like the gulf coast and the song could be about the recent DanFest in New Orleans where Clas made a special trip? I wonder if all who attended are mentioned?

10. And the last one....a silhouette of a songstress, looks like Judy Garland to me, but of course I could be mistaken, but then again, take a real close look at the woman beside her. I think she's going for a young Judy wannabe/lookalike/whatever look! You know my eyes are getting worse with age. Someone help me out here.

YGK, do you have anything to do with this?

Big Fan - I have my old Russian textbook from college here at home, but you may end up translating those words before I do since I'm renting a car to go on a business-related trip this weekend and I may not have time to do any translating before Monday.

X - I prefer to put my confidence in Walter, who said that the tour would be in summer. I've noticed that they seem to prefer summer tours since they appear to favor outdoor venues.

New Pollstar listing should come out tomorrow, so maybe we'll know more about these concert dates.

My crystal ball says next February and I want to pick a Tuesday, so how about the weirdest Tuesday of all - put me down for 02/29/00. The story behind why we are even having a leap year next year is really weird.

Unfortunately, my Russian/English dictionary is at work. They made us take a few months of Russian so that we could at least be civil with the Russian engineers on MIR and ISS. Did you know the Russian's name their spacesuits after different types of birds. They also use about 1" thick leather for the soles of their MIR suits. Our astronauts always complain about cold feet so they wear super insulated booties and the outer sole is just a small amount of silicone RTV that doesn't offgas and fog up the optics of the satellites. I will have to translate it Monday if someone already hasn't.

Some food for thought I thought you might enjoy:

To the Good and Great people of the mighty island nation of Japan: Greetings and salutation from the enigmatic yet pleasurable mind-world of Steely Dan. It is, or very soon will be, our great personal pleasure to share with you an evening of songs and of singing, and with good will and broad smiles, it is hoped for all concerned. It is a well known fact that that the Japanese people have long admired , or at the very least recently come to appreciate, the icy and sophisticated rhythmic stylings identified with the group called Steely Dan, consisting at various times of whoever was so great as to make the particular session that day. Similarly, we have long ago learned to apprehend the strength and wisdom of the heroic Japanese people, with their land of mountain splendor and gracious temples, mixed with their awesome balance of trade and majestic currency, the almighty Yen. So it is hoped that tonight may someday be remembered as having been an epic exchange between the cultures of Japan and of Steely Dan, featuring the massive swap of icy rhythmic stylings for ancient wisdom and the almighty Yen, in the greatest amounts imaginable. So welcome, our new friends, and LET THE SINGING BEGIN!

Steely Dan Concert Program, Japan '94

Yo and others-
the clown(s) who "announced" those tourdates were sitting in their room yanking their little weenies when they thought: "Hey! DHuuuuuh huuuuh huuuuh....let's tell everybody tourdates were announced! Duuuuh huuuhh huuuuh! Yeah! Yeah! Duuuuh duuuhh". Then they did.

I visited the ODP and was quite pleased. I'm glad D&W have finished their work on the CD; it's good to know it's finally done and all we have to wait for is the work of the record label; I'm sure they work a little bit faster than our heroes. I was intrigued by the picture of the train among the tiles since I like trains; I asked my transit listserv if they could identify it; if I find out what city it's in, it might give me a clue toward what the song is about. I was pleased to see Walter's mention of an upcoming tour also. The self-aggrandizement campaign should be fun; I hope there are lots of interviews and maybe a few television appearances. It looks like our good faith has finally been rewarded and our boys will finally give us something worth waiting for (I hope!).

Hutch - I'm doing fine; I've just been kind of busy lately. I hope all is going well with you.

Jack of Lantern - Where did you see the winter tour dates announced?

Jack of Lantern , where are you finding those winter tour dates ?

anybidy?

Yoko

Herm - ODP = Official Dan Page www.steelydan.com
It was updated a couple days ago with a "preview" of the tracks on the new one. Another little crumb thrown to frustrate us all even more. I'm pretty sure refresh and reload are the same thing. But all the refreshing in the world won't make those little tiles give up anything more than what you see.

Patiently waiting,
Hutch

ODP?
Please explain.

Reload?
I have a refresh key, if that's what you mean, but not a reload. Guess I needed more help than I thought.

Later,

Herm

Winter Tour dates announced! Yippee!

*Ahem* - so, for all of you baseball minded - How about them Yankees?

ygk

S.H. - Yeah, check out the ODP. You may need to hit 'reload.'

Hey,

Is there some other website that I don't know about? I keep seeing postings about songs on the new album, but I don't know where anyone is getting the information.

Thanks,

Herm

it looks like the pig w/the woman would be 'two against nature'

At least Jack of Speed is on the album

could Wetside Story be that one with the map of the water and compass and blacked out highway signs?

Walter: Damn Motorola!! Let's forget the G4 for now. Send a new iMac-DV this way tout suite. Digital video publishing is here!!...and never a Y2K worry!

Where is this announcement oftour dates on ticketmaster ????

I checked search engine @tktmstr and found nothing

pls HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David (DJ) and others: glad you liked the Steely Dan guitar chords and tabs I have done. The songbooks are either crap, or hard to get hold off, or both, so I felt like *someone* had to try doing a decent job of working out the songs. Wish I had more time to add new songs ...

Vocoders:

The way I understand it is this: when speaking or singing it's your vocal cords that vibrate to generate sound. The quality of sound (e.g different vowel types) is altered by changing the position of your tongue, lips etc.

If you get an electronic gizmo to do the buzzing that your vocal cords normally do, you can hold this on your neck, shape the vowels as usual (move you lips, tongue) and you get recognisable, but electronic-sounding speech.

You can also do this by recording the normal speech signal, and doing some nifty signal processing to pick out the "vowel shaping" parts of the speech, and then run another pitch signal (e.g keyboard sound) through these to get a "speaking" keyboard sound.

At the end of the day, you are replacing the vibration of the vocal cords with another vibration - e.g electronically generated keyboard sound.

Howard

Ten Songs. Here are their titles:

1. Dodging the Difference
2. Two Against Windows
3. Tori Amos & Andy
4. Seven Cents a Minute
5. A Good Caning
6. Wicker Hangers
7. Laker's Fan
8. Four Stinks
9. Bioliberty
10. Amelia Retrograde

Oleander ~ Make mine 4/1/2000! thanx...

Hutch ~ I heard from a snowboarding buddy in Australia that Arthur Brown is touring down unda'! Crazy World of Arthur Brown trivia ~ the drummer was a young kid by the name of Carl Palmer, who went onto bigger and better gigs with the Atomic Rooster and eventually Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Kick ass drummer,IMHO....

Dan in the Movies: "Outside Providence", the latest Farelly Bros. flick, set in 1974 ~ which features "Do It Again"...

Hey kids- just checkin in with cha-wish I was in NYC waiting for the Met/Yankee world Series-----

Happy Anniversary to CAN"T BUY A THRILL!----released 27 years ago today....remember 1972- Watergate was just starting-the '60's were just ending---a nickel bag was $5!

re: Pretzel Logic interpretation- I think it is about Hitler--and/ or someone studying Hitler/history----that whole album is laced with dark imagery, perhaps there most Burroughsian effort....

Release date: I am convinced Becker is using astrology- so I figure he may be waiting for a)the new Chinese new year in Feb or b) the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in March----tortured rising sign indeed----bye for now---if anyone come down to Singapore let's hook up- it's lonely in the heat!

Tour dates announced!

Obviously its going to be FEBRUARY 29TH..

Check out the new letters in the e-mail section. Walter's replies (and most of the letters) are pretty funny.

David - You got that right! Howard's the man.

Fezo - That Alan Parsons album of Poe works (Tales of Mystery and Imagination)is still available on cd. I saw it the other day at Tower Records. It sounds great if you've had a couple of beers but sort of loses it's subtlety after 25 or 30. Just kidding. By the way, one of the songs is "The Tell-Tale Heart" and it's sung by Arthur Brown. Remember "Fire" ?? Maybe you have to be one of the geriatric Gb posters like me to remember Arthur. Anyway, a manic vocal performance.

Oleander - Put me down for January 11th Sooner the better, I say.

RixHex - Did ya get the video?

Altamira - Hope you're doing well!

Hutch

oleander....I couldn't find the post where you were asking for predictions of the release date of the new one but since everyone seems to be addressing them to you I'll throw my guess in as well:

May 5, 2000

Isn't that the day some had predicted would be the end of the world? Some sort of planetary alignment or some such nonsense that actually occurs fairly often.

MC

Maybe the new one includes a cover of Another Brick in the Wall, Parts 1, 2, and 3.

Ruby: Have you noticed a ballpark springing up in the middle of your fair city. I was startled to hear of the last Giants game being played at Candlestick/3Com and that a new stadium was being built somewhere downtown. Where are they going to fit it?

balloon payment
years
Bowl
looks

Stranger: Houston has a population of close to 3 million which does say something about the collective IQ. The new owner (is it another Bud?) will parlay $700M payable in $150M chunks (no lead baloon apyment) and the city is builing a $300M stadium with a retractable roof. These monstrosities are known to lose $$ over the year and not make the city $$. The overhead far exceed the ability of tractor pulls, rodeos, Garth Brooks concerts, vixen mud wrestling, etc. to bring in the mucho piasters. The crown jewel is supposedly the Super Bosl which is slated for 2004 at the earliest. The best one could hope for is a 5 or 6 year cycle. With 60,000 out of towners drunk for 4 days, the best in external $$ would be $40M/Super Bowl. At that rate it would take 40 years or until Dan's "next one" for the facility to pay for itself. The depressing thing is that the major sports have 30 or so teams in their leagues (football, baseball, basketball, and even hockey). Each owner holding their respective cities hostage for new and improved facilities (more and more are for individual sports). At a conservative $200M a pop, the collective drain from our cities could be as high as $24 billion over the next 5 years or so as stadia turn over...while job training, education, as homeless lag and as the mayors come whining to the Feds for more $$ as young robins to their mother. Therefore, who REALLY pays for this ? You and I do. Turn off your TVs Nielsen families!!!...and everybody else!! Besides do you really want to see a bunch of spoiled athletes on mediocre teams play in the Super Bowl this year. We have only ourselves to blame.

First Tuesday of March...could be sooner if one faithful fan goes code blue. Three tiles are marked 3, 3a, and 3b...a fucking suite by Steely Dan? a la 10cc's "original Soundtrack??" pictures look like some old cartoon - a color version of the Kama artwork?...and the topic: LA, cars, and girls??? all that Bruce S. really knows about now?? loks like Bovine Serum to me - fun though

Ole- put my guess down for 5/16/2000

Hey,

I'm going to guess January 4, 2000 as the release date for the new one. Why? Simply because it's the first Tuesday of the new year, thereby giving our boys 12 months to collect, and 15 months to invest, all the money they take in from us before having to ante up to the IRS.
This might seem cynical, but it's as good a reason as any other.

Later,

Herm

Howard Wright:
i'm in good company when i extend sincere appreciation for your efforts and the spirit of fellowship you embrace. your ears are pretty great, too.

god bless your hands

David

bella ciao

Oleander - Sorry to be so tardy - Can you put me down for March 5. Thanks. (I hope I'm way late).

On the preview it looks like there are 10 tracks on "The New One". The field is open for interpretation. I cant find "Cash Only Island".Clas, they are making a cover on "A chair in the sky"!

Every child in Kansas knows the tallest structure in the world was the Tower of Babel. How tall? Heck, it almost reached to Heaven so forget about standard units of measure. Just try to imagine 300,000 aluminum ladders stacked end to end! I know I can't and besides you're all going to Hell anyway.

It's in the Bible Man,

The President of Tall Buildings

No, I don't agree Pretzel Logic is about Charlie Parker. I just enjoy looking at the interpretation. Actually, Pretzel Logic is all about Tricia Nixon's unrequited love for Frank Zappa.

Houston flunks IQ test, guaranteeing a billion tax dollars to nfl in exchange for a team. They have a million people in Houston? That's a thousand bucks for every man, woman, and child. I'd laugh if it weren't so fucking tragic. You could do a lot of good with $1 billion. L.A. isn't stupid enough for nfl.

Who's Klaus and the Rooster?

does anyone get what that stuff.html bit is on the new update of the guys' page??

It looks like a damn Pearl Jam album

Why Danny Steele! Are you getting bashful, ya ol' shite sniffer? Now come on and email me, you purveyor of poop. I like my men in diapers.

Updates too!

Upates on the ODP!

or maybe the portamento is the *only* cool thing about Cher

Prof: for a shadow to be distinguishable from 90 miles, one needs Width as well as Height - and a considerable one at that...no comments from Peter North please

Stranger: Well.. Try to understand there are "statisticallly insignificant" situations that can occur.. Especially when one lives outside the box of security conventional society provides.. Those incidents are pretty Dang significant if you happen to be involved.. I never provoke confrontations, & leave if I can.. But by virute of living outside the box, Riding the Rock N Roll Trail & such, I developed a certain Self-Reliance about such things..
And I still believe the true Locus Of Violence is in the human heart.. The Journal Of Personal & Social Psychology is full of stuff about that..
But, Yer Alright!

Cohn Winery: Also has an annual music festival, this year featured Gregg Allman & Crosby, Pevar & Raymond.. Whose music is WAY influenced by our Dynamnic (?) Duo..

Edd: Your brief on the vocoder stuff is quite interesting. However, Portamento or however its spelt, you are missing the vital point in that Cher seriously sucks.

When it comes to to vocal synthesis, Herbie H is da man.

Clas et al hi!

Steelybabies are chucking up all over at present

Laters

SFK

Hola everybloody. Currently living in Costa Rica where indeed they do have a policeman one. Great place but jees what´s with the armed gaurds in every store and gaurding every parking lot?
The people seem so peaceful.

Mr. Stewart

Sorry, could not avoid notice that you are discussing heights here. The "tallest", which is the proper word in this context (which Y2k so astutetly pointed out) building is located in USA, Texas, Fort Worth. The height is cirka fortyfive meters (the metric system).

Here is a curiosity about that building:

At four pm in June, this extraordinary tall building casts its shadow 64 miles into the state of Louisiana. Complaints have been made by the locals among the marshgrass and bayous. Even attempts to sue the owner of the building. But the District Attorneys in both Fort Worth and Lake Charles says the case is dead because "it's free space in this country".

Which makes me wonder what the case would have been if the building in question was placed in, for example, Miami, and the shadow was harassing Cuba.

In my humble opinion I think that would have been a good thing. Let me explain my theory:

As we all know, commies are lazy, and foreign commies are extra lazy. But if this shadow continuously was provocing those brownies, I guess they had to do something about it, eventually. Maybe they had felt forced to build an even taller building?

We had kicked in a little competition spirit in that fuckin little island!

Such things stagger my mind. I think we can Teach and Learn Foreign Commies how to live. How to make their Dreams Come True.

And stop them from sitting on the ground all day, eating burritos from newspapers, blaming everything on the society.

Cause what happens when such people sits day after day and just complains? WE have to feed them. Which meens that You and I have to take money from OUR pockets and give OUR money to strangers! Strangers that don't want to take charge over their own lifes.

So if you Dr Mu, could give a correct mathemathical position for that scraper that could be built in Florida, I'll be the first one to give a couple of dollars to sponsor the project.

This really thrills my imagination! If we succeed in Florida/Cuba, - which will be the best place for a scraper shadowing China?

Think about it Yankees, we can save the world!

P Adlercreuz

Today is a very sad day for my owner. He's going to the dentist tomorrow and that means that he soon will be off those codeine pills.

RubyBaby, hi. Nice to meet you. It's a pleasure. Thank so much. Be a little patient with me because my English is far out that good my owner speaks. No, I'm not messing around with the computer.

Thanks, it was a pleasure to meat you. Thank you. Maybe I should introduce myself a little. My weight is 70 kilo, I'm a Pointer (bird dog) I love fried chicken.

Amazing. Can't stop look at them plates. That brain is something extra.

Got to go, got to make a call to Bob Hopkins University. They should know about this. Is it possible to fax x-ray plates?

A salesman walks up to a door and rings the doorbell. A few moments later, an 8-year-old boy comes to the door dressed in a tu-tu and smoking a cigar. The salesman of course is taken by surprise at the sight of the young kid, but decides to carry on...
"Hi young man, how are you today?"
the kid replys, "Fine."
"I'm selling the clean-o-matic vacuum, is your mother home?" the sales man askes to which the kid replies,
" What do you think?"

Now you know what I do at work..and it doesn't involve tu-tus'of cigars.
JDF

Lew Chang - I'm working on it. A package will be ready soon.

FanofDan - Picked up the FM (No static at all) single today (vinyl). The guitar solo at the end of the first side is quite short. It's a pity they didn't let it run on like Steve Kahn's great solo on Glamour Profession. The second side has the tremendous sax solo throughout.

Everyone - I noticed that the cassette version of the expanded "Gold" doesn't include the demo version of "Everyone's gone to the movies", so I wont be bidding for one of the two on offer on Ebay. That demo version is just brilliant!

FANOFDAN!! I just noticed your post from last week. I`ve been without a computer {THIS FUCKING HEAP OF SHIT!} again for a week.The monitor fucked up this time{what next?} the Danfest sounded like a great day!,I would have loved to have been there.Has Mr Chow managed to do any coppies of that live concert yet?,I know i`m being a pain in the arse, but i must have a coppy at any cost. Please keep me in mind!!!...........Catch ya later!!

Bread & Circus + Nils,

Queen of Spain! Why didn't I think of that? Now the "Joker" mentioned in the following verse makes total sense!

No Longer Playing With Half-a-Deck,

Your Little Wild One

...the highest building, my son, is surely located here in Tibet or perhaps a village in the Andes...

Nils Dude: I think the 'worlds highest building' was, and will remain Electric Lady land when Jimi was in the studio circa 1970-71 - you could just get stoned walking down the block. I would guess, but you're probably not an architect.

why don't you light another?

ygk

The really nice com. cassette of Diary of a Hollow Horse is offically MIA. The CD of Flaunt the Imperfection arrived and it's really solid as I recall from an old tape - sounds great and as homogenous and clean n CD as one would expect. Gift of Freedom, Bigger the Punch I'm Feeling and The World Spins, I'm Part of It have some special moments...but to tell you the truth I still prefer Hollow Horse which has more of a Dan sound to my ear. Singing the Praises of Finer Things and All My Prayers are wonderful recordings as I remember. HH more varied in tempo and interesting in song structure...I guess that in '85 CC was still into the synth/pop thing. Easy to play, but hard to do well. IMHO, the *only* great 80's synth/pop recording was Talk Talk's brilliant Colour of Spring (damn, it's MIA too?) which is 100 times more emotional than Madonna claims her Ray of Light (or whatever) to be. Later, Talk Talk ventured into avante guard classical/rock (not the Yes kind) that Yoko Ono could only dream about - may take me 10 more yrs to appreciate Eden and Laughing Stock.

What's the matter Fweddie, you can't stand a little humor? Awww does it hurt to laugh Fweddie baby? You poor, miserable little man.

What crawled up your ass today? I suppose you have a clue and know it all, that's why your post is so intelligent. Did it make you feel superior? Aw poo poo!

Try to laugh once in a while, don't get too hung up on this Guestbook and learn to spell moron.

Your should be you're, so who's the jerk off now?

Ole: I'll tell you where... in the Land of Oz where CREATIONIST'S RULE!!!!

Ruby- you really make me sick! You don't have a clue. (about anything) You and Clas should be together, your both jerk offs!

Altamira: I agree with you about the singing of Walter Becker. He's great on some songs, not quite right for others. (So isn't everyone?) I think of his voice as being more on the subtle side.

Fezo: You're right. I can't even entertain the idea of anyone else singing Book of Liars.

Oleander: Hey, you might be onto something about our collective subconscious having all the pieces of the puzzle thereby correctly predicting the release date. You are creative! (I shudder to think what else we'd find while dipping into our collective!)

Pompe: You have a lot of nerve, doggie. Your master is sick and all you can do is mess around on his computer! Where's the adoring canine loyalty?

rb

Yes, you're right pal, World Trade Center, the twin scrapers, are a Hallmark for Battery Park, the South Arrow of Manhattan (Manhattan is named in honor after the Indian Chief General Manhattan Ghandi, who died in a battle in the northeast of India 1934).

And Trump Towers in Denver, Neebraska is the worlds largest buildings ever, 5.376 kilometer. Right up in the air, tjooofff, there are 46000 people working there, they got 576 elevators and 376 restaurants in those building, two universitys, 2543 shoeshiners and 45 ballrooms. Amongst other hilarious things.

Hi

> Yg2 or any other New Yorker; my former owner
> wants to know if World Trade Center, located
> on Rikers Island, is the worlds highest
> buildings. Is that so?

Anyone with a sense for logic could determine that the answer to the question posed here is "yes".

As an aside - WTC is neither the world's tallest building(s) nor located on Riker's Island.

Yg2 or any other New Yorker; my former owner wants to know if World Trade Center, located on Rikers Island, is the worlds highest buildings. Is that so?

It was a pleasure, thank you.

N

Congrats Pompe. I have just looked at the x-ray plates of your owner. Except for some bruises on the cerebral front membrane there is no idle imaginings in the upper stories.

In fact, this is the most outstanding brain I've seen after 43 years in the biz, if I might say so. No wonder this guy is So Cool, Such an Artist, Such a Big Thinker, Such a Great Composer and Great Painter.

I certainly hope you'll be around another couple of years Pompe.

Have fun with him, and don't hesitate to ask if you don't understand things. This guy knows everything. I can tell, I got the plates here.

P Adlercreutz, Stockholm

No, portamento is totally independent of compression. While the two effects may be heard at the same time, they do not affect each other. Attack, and other envelope dynamics, DO interact with with compression settings if compression is applied to the sound.
Squash a recording of an instrument using portamento and the pitch changes will still be the same.

The way a sound behaves *over time* is described in terms of its' "envelope". Envelopes can be simplistically described in terms of attack, decay, sustain, and release (ADSR). A piano has a very fast attack, while something like a harmonica can have a very slow one, allowing the sound to build up over time.

Actually, portamento *could* affect the attack portion of an envelope if the attack rate was slow enough, or, as some synths allow, the portamento has set to "full time", where the pitch always slides from the last pitch played.

The highly annoying vocal effect melissma could be used as an example of portamento.

Yes it is.

In Night By Night - isn't it Queen of Spain?

Edd: The attack is tempered by compression.

Walter: If anybody else tried to sing your shit I would hate it first, then hate them for trying.

Chris: Could it be true that our boys devoted an entire album to Charlie Parker? I doubt it. But then again...

RIKKI DON'T LOSE THAT NUMBER: If this was entitled "RiKKKi...." I might agree with your premise. But it's not. Then again, our boys excell in cryptography so perhaps it's code for FEAR. Naaaaah!

NIGHT BY NIGHT: "Queen of Spades?" Yep, maybe you're on to something, Ace...

ANY MAJOR DUDE WILL TELL YOU: (SO WHAT'S WITH THE ALL CAPS TITLING ALREADY? IS EVERY SONG AN ACRONYM?) Or did Charlie just try to hide from what was inside?

BARRYTOWN: "That's a nice song sweety but don't bring that negro friend of yours around anymore, ok?"

EAST ST. LOUIS TOODLE-OO: "Kiss my ass, mom."

PARKER'S BAND: The strident riff at the beginning of this song is a variation of "Don't Take Me Alive's" intro.

THROUGH WITH BUZZ: An amazing number of Afro Americans still don't believe Buzz and Neil walked on the moon.

PRETZEL LOGIC: Black emulation of the prototypical white slave-master. Or perhaps white admiration of the non-representative black swing master. Whatever. Napoleon was hardly taller than the artist formerly known as Prince.

So, Chris, I guess you're more right than wrong. Welcome to the land of blurred identities and sharp tongues. After dinner mint?

He says he would never forgive himself if he's dying there in that brainscanner without getting a chance saying I'm sorry.

And, if there's a St John on New Foundland the first port will be New York.

Something to keep your mind off your troubles.

Why in the Royal Scam do the voyagers arrive 'on the rising tide to New York City'? Surely they're first port of call would be Miami (which would be just as easy to scan).

Here's my theory : by choosing N.Y. they implicitly give us something important to the theme i.e. sailing past the Statue of Liberty!

Heard melodies are sweet,but those unheard are sweeter;therefore,ye soft pipes,play on...

Oleander - my owner is asking me if I can ask you if you could forgive him for being rude a couple of weeks ago. We all now he's a coward but if I don't do this I bet I won't get any chicken today.

Howdy

My owner is very excited today. He's going to the hospital and make a brainscan, datortomografi. He says he feel the same enthusiasm that Woody Allen did.

It's the fourth time they're x-raying his brain now.

Hi!

Oleander,
Agreed. Law should be: No handguns, no semi-automatics, no automatics. You want a gun, you have to pass a safety and marksmanship course. No felons, no certified loonies.

Chris G. (think that was the name)
Nice work analyzing Pretzel Logic.

Ole: Did you know that Alfred Newman (1901-1970) was the uncle of Randy Newman and a prolific Hollywood score-monger with credits including How Green Was My Valley, Wuthering Heights, diary of Anne Frank and Airport. He also wrote the them for 20th Century Fox. There's far more whimsy in Louisiana than anywhere else I've ever been...unless neuroses count making New York the winner.

Fexo: Have to reiterate my fondness for Becker's vox on AiAs Book of Liars...much more lively and on key than Whack's With the right players ('93 ensemble) and days, Walter can get into synch with the band.

ChrisG: interesting postulate - worth the double post (unlike this one)

Ole: Did you know that Alfred Newman (1901-1970) was the uncle of Randy Newman and a prolific Hollywood score-monger with credits including How Green Was My Valley, Wuthering Heights, diary of Anne Frank and Airport. He also wrote the them for 20th Century Fox. There's far more whimsy in Louisiana than anywhere else I've ever been...unless neuroses count making New York the winner.

Fexo: Have to reiterate my fondness for Becker's vox on AiAs Book of Liars...much more lively and on key than Whack's With the right players ('93 ensemble) and days, Walter can get into synch with the band.

Becker`s vocals: I don`t know what the controversy is about. Walter is a very necessary part of SD. There is no doubt that these guys are better together, but really now Becker`s vocals rate a C at best and i`m being kind.

Lars--"Rikki" was in "Say Anything," which is a great adolescent love story with John Cusack, not to be missed, he's [string of smitten superlatives]. Maybe the problem will be over in a few months!

FanO'--I've grown very fond of Mr. Becker's voice. He's got me from "In case you're wondering" on. And I like how he did "Book of Liars" on AiA. No, he doesn't have a great voice, but like Clas what appeals to me is the voice that feels over the voice that techniques. Some few people got it all, like Aretha.

Ram--as in soul? Way to put yourself out there. I dig the idea of PL as a Bird-iad!

Edd--Please explain "the first pitch articulates the attack portion of the sound."

RB--I hate haunted houses and can't watch horror movies. Don't worry, I'm not trying to push anything Satanic or occult on you. Jews aren't into that either. Anyway, if it were true to the GB, it would be a pretty atypical seance--maybe just calling up other people's subconscious from ours.

Mu--Honey, I live in the South. Where else besides California (or maybe Tejas) could one better appreciate states' whims?

Stranger--There are way too many fucking guns. We've been through this territory before. It's obscene and dreadful. But I don't agree with getting rid of all of them. The problem is figuring out whom to disarm and what to take away. The Uzis and AK's etc. I got no problem with melting into plowshares. But some of my mountain folk patients' shotguns, for example, which they use for food, I couldn't justify confiscating.

Funny SNL came up. I just watched it Sat. night for the first time in about 10 years. Few funny things, otherwise dumb, like always. Say, what's up with David Bowie? Did he like just discover grunge 9 years too late? And can't even get it right--instead of plaid flannel, he wears a wrinkled pink Ascot Chang. Feh.

Lars - Regarding SD and the movies, I've read that Reeling in the Years is on the soundtrack of Kevin Costner's new baseball flick, although the movie hasn't been reviewed well. Also, Fagen has done some music for films - True Companion for Heavy Metal (which I happen to be listening to right now) and several songs for Bright Lights, Big City.

Fezo and FANOFDAN - I don't think Becker's voice is as bad as many people think it is; he has a severely limited range but he's on pitch most of the time, he conveys emotion well, and his phrasing and diction are good. However, I think he sounds absoutely horrible on Midnite Cruiser at the Manassas concert; he's terribly out of tune and I think the backup singers sound bad because they're trying to follow someone who's not singing the right notes. Becker sounds much better in other recordings I've heard of him, including the live version of My Waterloo that I'm listening to right now. I guess he was just having a bad night when he recorded Midnite Cruiser. Fagen doesn't always sound so good in live recordings either; he doesn't go out of tune because his sense of pitch is so good, but he sometimes sounds low-energy and not very expressive. Of course Fagen's singing is vastly better than Becker's and I hope Fagen will be singing most of the songs on the new one, but I enjoy listening to Becker's singing too. (So Midnite Cruiser is the song Fagen is introducing when he talks about the Jurassic period of Steely Dan - I have that introduction on a CD but not the song that follows; I always wondered what it was.)

Ruby Baby - I read an article about local vineyards when the drought was still in full swing. The vintners said that they would be producing some fabulous wine this year if there wasn't much rain in September. Considering the drenching we got when Hurricane Floyd came through, as well as all the other recent rain, including what's falling right now, I guess that wonderful wine will just have to happen some other year. It's a shame; I wish someting good had come out of the miserable drought that caused major problems for farmers and killed so many trees.

FANOFDAN - Interesting, Fagen's mother has the same name as Becker's wife. I don't suppose Becker's mother's name is Libby? ;^)

O Danny Boy (Ripcord, etc.)- Give me the real address, why don't ya? I wanna whisper something in your ear.

ClAS- Are you that big of a fool?, or do you just play one on this guestbook?

Hi.

I'm Danish. My father was from Finland though.

I had a friend once, his name was Nils, he lived with us. He is dead. But man, he was old. At the end he could'nt walk to his box. My owner had to carry him to the sandbox.

And he talked funny that dude. Mjau, mjaaau. MJAAAAAAAUUUUU. Nils liked to scream. In the mornings.

I didn't bother. But my owners went crazy sometimes. Our home could be like a lunatic asylum Saturday and Sunday mornings.

But nowdays things are cool.

Hi.

*** PRETZEL LOGIC ***

I dont think it's too much of a strech to say That PRETZEL LOGIC is the ultimate concept album based on the life and times of Charlie Parker....the supreme symbol of post world war 2 alienated hipster junky living in an isolated world that exists when the wolves come out to play. James Dean had nothin on this cat as the real rebel without a cause...and if the late 40's/ early 50's had a face to represent this time...it would be Charlie Parker, and
Don and Walter created a masterpiece that embodied this time with frightening precision and clarity. Nevermind The Beatles...this is Seargent Parker's Lonley Hearts Club Band.

1.) "Rikki Dont Lose That Number"- yeah this is his number to score, and its all he has to keep goin. The ozzie and harriot folks dont like his kind, but they are clueless to the fact that he doesnt care, and they dont even know what he's about.

2.) "Night By Night"- yeah he's slowly killing himself for every thrill.....and he knows all too well that his ship wont come in...its been shipwrecked since his ancestors arrived from West Africa.

3.) "Any Major Dude"- a fleeting glimmer of hope to get him through those dark hours of the night....but he'll never hide from the demon that's inside of him.

4.) "Barrytown"- he's no monster and he aint lookin for enemies, still his sensiblities are above Eisenhowers America.....maybe in the back of his mind he'd like to find a place to fit in....but man look at the fashion sense of you squares...hahaha.

5.) "East St. Louis Toodle-oo".......yeah Duke knows where it's at...he's a friend.

6.) "Parker's Band"- you wont believe what the boys are blowin....but who's really listening?... I guess Monk is... but man he's dancing in circles again, so who knows whats goin on inside that pork pie hat.

7.) "Through With Buzz"- no...it's not very funny at all

8.) "Pretzel Logic"- dreaming of romatic times long ago....was it better back then ?(Napolean)...will it be better in the future? (The TV).....no probably not....just catch the wind in your saxaphone today...because these things are gone forever over a long time ago.....you could read Kierkigard, but "Ornithgogy" says it better.

9.) "With A Gun" - desperate times indeed.....the end is so close at hand.

10.) "Charlie Freak"- down in his plot of frozen space and out...I'm not sure who takes his hand and takes him home...I would like to think it's the sweet chariot...Don and Walter hate happy endings...but they could have a change of heart?

11.) "Monkey In Your Soul"- the epitaph...turn that Be-Bop down indeed.......

-Ram

*** PRETZEL LOGIC ***

I dont think it's too much of a strech to say That PRETZEL LOGIC is the ultimate concept album based on the life and times of Charlie Parker....the supreme symbol of post world war 2 alienated hipster junky living in an isolated world that exists when the wolves come out to play. James Dean had nothin on this cat as the real rebel without a cause...and if the late 40's/ early 50's had a face to represent this time...it would be Charlie Parker, and
Don and Walter created a masterpiece that embodied this time with frightening precision and clarity. Nevermind The Beatles...this is Seargent Parker's Lonley Hearts Club Band.

1.) "Rikki Dont Lose That Number"- yeah this is his number to score, and its all he has to keep goin. The ozzie and harriot folks dont like his kind, but they are clueless to the fact that he doesnt care, and they dont even know what he's about.

2.) "Night By Night"- yeah he's slowly killing himself for every thrill.....and he knows all too well that his ship wont come in...its been shipwrecked since his ancestors arrived from West Africa.

3.) "Any Major Dude"- a fleeting glimmer of hope to get him through those dark hours of the night....but he'll never hide from the demon that's inside of him.

4.) "Barrytown"- he's no monster and he aint lookin for enemies, still his sensiblities are above Eisenhowers America.....maybe in the back of his mind he'd like to find a place to fit in....but man look at the fashion sense of you squares...hahaha.

5.) "East St. Louis Toodle-oo".......yeah Duke knows where it's at...he's a friend.

6.) "Parker's Band"- you wont believe what the boys are blowin....but who's really listening?... I guess Monk is... but man he's dancing in circles again, so who knows whats goin on inside that pork pie hat.

7.) "Through With Buzz"- no...it's not very funny at all

8.) "Pretzel Logic"- dreaming of romatic times long ago....was it better back then ?(Napolean)...will it be better in the future? (The TV).....no probably not....just catch the wind in your saxaphone today...because these things are gone forever over a long time ago.....you could read Kierkigard, but "Ornithgogy" says it better.

9.) "With A Gun" - desperate times indeed.....the end is so close at hand.

10.) "Charlie Freak"- down in his plot of frozen space and out...I'm not sure who takes his hand and takes him home...I would like to think it's the sweet chariot...Don and Walter hate happy endings...but they could have a change of heart?

11.) "Monkey In Your Soul"- the epitaph...turn that Be-Bop down indeed.......

-Ram

yesterday my son (15 years old) played a soundtrack to me (forgot the name of the movie) including Stealers Wheel´s "Stuck in the middle.." and other oldies (Eddie Kendricks ....). It seems like almost all of my old favorite music turns out to be on soundtracks nowadays (Spencer Davis, Marvin Gaye to name a few). But where are all Dantracks? If you exclude the music dan made exclusive for some movies there ain´t much dan on the soundtracks.(I made a quick investigation on All-music guide site) How can I secure beeing a good parent if there aint no dan in the movies? I´m sure that this will have a sincere effect on the coming generation. Since I´m a sweede and movies (95%)are made in the us (the one´s my son watches) you´re the ones to tell me why your producers (or whoever it is) acting in this way....We have a serious problem in front of us!

RubyBaby; I was very, very, very tired when I wrote that post posted Monday, October 4, 1999 at 05:56:58. I don't use to write crap on this site but today I did.

Lars; samma här, jag har jättemycket att göra men nån sorts middleaged (vad heter det på svenska? Medelårig?) lättja har fångat mig.

Hey,

There are many reasons why SNL is still on the air. The two biggest IMO are:
1. they have no competition in that time slot
2. Lorne Michaels can't do anything else, and enjoys
the constant flow of money.

This was a show that felt it had something to prove, then when it proved it, it flexed it's muscles for a few years to show it's dominance. But after a while, it found no need to prove anything, and it coasted. After Lorne left in 1980, other than Eddie Murphy, and occassionally Piscopo, the show sucked, but it stayed on. Why? Well, what else did the network have to show in that time slot? Until SNL's debut, that time slot was a lost cause. They ran Johnny Carson reruns, which cost the network nothing, except for royalties. Michaels came back on, revamped the cast, and, although it was better for a few years, it never exhibited that same fire and lust that it did in the past. Only a few actors since have brought some of that urgency back: John Lovitz, Mike Meyers, Dana Carvey, etc. But what happened was similar to top 40 radio: instead of playing deeper cuts off albums by good artists, they found those one or two songs and played the shit out of them. Additionally, they had their "play list" filled by a few stars and then mostly one-hit wonders. The show just stopped pushing itself.
And two more things as far as money is concerned:
1. the show has become a test market for future movies. It began with Blues Brothers, laid dormant for a while, then exploded. Now, I enjoyed "Wayne's World", but every other lame character created does not merit a movie. "It's Pat"? "Stuart Smalley"? the dancing Roxbury guys? "Coneheads"? And the probably dozen other, including the incredibly irritating Mary Katherine Gallagher. But, the movies are made cheaply since the actors are under contract to appear in movies as well as the show, so the salaries are kept down.
2. Reruns. I don't know what the budget for a show is, but whenever you show a rerun, your costs are cut dramatically. Actors are paid a percentage of their salary through residuals, and I don't think you have to pay the tech people anything. But, the cost for commercials barely change. It's like printing money. I mean, come on, how difficult could it really be to write that show? There are about 15-20 writers. they had the entire summer off, yet, they have the premiere, then advertise that the following week will be a "Best-Of" show. It's ridiculous. There are thousands of starving comedy writers in this country that would love the opportunity to write for that show, and would not only do better, but they'd have a fresh show every week. Unfortunately, that's not what Lorne Michaels wants, since a fresh show isn't cost efficient.

I'll stop the rant now.

Later,

Herm

Hey! All of you!!! Leave Becker's voice alone. I happen to like it. I thought his version of Midnite Cruiser cranked at Manassas in 1996. What would the point be in trying to recreate Hodder's vocal? Go down that route one too many times and you're nothing but Chubby Checker croaking out the same note for note rendition of the "The Twist" year after year after year.

Part of what's interesting to me about following a band or a musician's career is the change that occurs over time. One doesn't want to hear the same shit again and again. For that reason, I think "Book of Liars" on AIA is the best thing to come out under the SD umbrella in a long time. It's a totally different sound and the vocal is damn fine.

"let's forget about the dots today

let's together go up north instead"

Damn hard. I'm writing lyrics to you RubyBaby. I think I got what they call "a writers block". You know, the thought of me forgetting the dots is so dizzying... let's try again honey -

"let's forget about the dots today

let's instead

take the Pa-ci-fic Highway

to The Ranch

meet ol Blanche.."

No, it's impossible Ruby, it's like an obsession. I promise I'll work with this over the night. I'll be sitting up, down on the sofa, til the the dawn.

Have a patient.

c

fanofdan - neither do I care much for the music on CBAT.

clas - näh, det är oftast så förbannat tråkigt på jobbet så jag måste roa mig på något vis.

Lars
Maybe I went off the beaten track a bit about Beckers singing,
but Mr Chow stated and I quote:- Take another example
"Midnite Cruiser"-Yes Jim Hodders gone,but at least try to sing it as Jim Hodder did.
Becker just does not do this song any justice.
Fagen states that this song is from Steely Dans jurassic period.
If they can't do the song any justice why bother doing it at all.
Leave it in the past.
I mean after all are we not talking about a duo that does nothing but strive for perfection??????

Fezo - thanks for that. I think Royer the Scam told me that too. Where IS he by the way?

Lars - du är här rätt ofta nu för tiden. Du börjar vill inte bli en sån där internetoholic?

Va? Hon drömde att hon snacka... när ska folk lära sig att skriva om viktiga saker på den här sidan?

Geena - thanks for asking, I think he's in a state of some existential trauma right now. One day everything is okay, the next day everything is pissy. And on those bad day his opinions on you yankees is even too stomach-strong for ME to write down here. The school is hard, they have to learn very tough stuff.

Re Beckers voice; I don't care what some people say about his voice, if I listen to someone who is singing, the important thing is that they can express something.

They do't have to sound like Mike mc Donald or Maria C or some operasinger. The voice and the lyrics must be personal stuff.

Tom Waits, can he sing?

YES!

Portamento (I misspelled it earlier) is a smooth glide from one pitch to another. Only the first pitch articulates the attack portion of the sound.

mr Chow, Ole - you´re damn right about bizarrness and I respect your opinion. However, as Ole said I think that Dan belongs more to the improvising field of music and therefore I expect them to be creative artists even on stage.

danofan- I can´t see how Becker´s singing has anything to do with the discussion above. According to your argument he´s lousy on record and lousy live. Maybe he´s lousy in a different way live? I like Becker on record and from what I heard of him live but thats another question.

That was me reading the news on SNL till Lorne fired my ass.In return I won't let him produce my show.

I heard Dirty Work this evening. I was dozing on the couch while someone had the tv on. It sounded crappy (don't get excited rip cord). I think some band called HornDog was doing it. I'm not sure but it might have been the Drew Carey Show. Too lazy to get up and see...

FANODAN: Love your honesty. However, if the music's good, I can handle even Walter's voice. There's worse out there, y'know.

Oleander: I thought seances were like phoning the dead, except the medium is the "phone." So who's dead that might know the release date? Mediums are creepy so can we pass on this?

Have you ever been in a haunted house?

JW: When you tell John's son how much Geena adored his dad, tell him so for me, too. Now I look forward to seeing him in heaven. He made me laugh at times when my life was dreadful. I owe him.

Geena: You go girl! I'll look for the wine. I'm sure Old Doc's will carry it. Did you take pictures of the Princess, yet? How do your cats get along with her, btw?
As for wines from your part of the country, the closest I've ever come was finding some wine from Virginia. Ever hear of Horton Vinyards? They're pretty good. But you need a dry year. '99 might turn out to be a good one.

rb

Feds are involved in PBS...

Olé: I think we're more or less on the same wavelength sort of. Part of the thing is the *size* of the problem/solution. The Feds are involved because a) we want them to, and b) the production values we expect can only be achieved with a critical mass of $$, talent, and equipment. Would we really want to see local players playing Big Bird and Ernie each day? - we want the real thing, the jim Henson team. Standardization of this type of art is the norm...otherwise public access (Wayne's World! escellent!!) would be common fare. Large problem like disposal of nuclear wast require standardization and interstate resources and solutions...that way the risks are minimized.

But at the same time,even PBS stations have local programming as do all stations for local interest. Similarly, we would not prefer the Feds to get involved in local art projects or displays...the Soviet Union example was on the mark...small, local problem require small local solutions - there's this thing called the 10th ammendment, also. Even the well-known old-style liberal Tip O'Neill said that "all politics is local." We really only want the Feds involved if the problem really can't be solved locally.

...careful about state's whims. Who's to be presumptive about what's best for someone else? I'm sure many parts of New Jersey are just fine - but you won't catch me living there. I'm certain many New Jerseyans would be caught dead in Texas. Therefore, I want them out of my business or our schools...unless they have a constuctive solution in which case we'll pay a consultation fee. If one wants standardization uber alles visit McDonald's.

And so it is written!!!!

Donald Jay Fagen,born January 10,1948,the first child and only son of Joseph 'Jerry' Fagen,a JEWISH accountant,and his wife Elinor.

Ripcord -- You sound just a stupid as your habit. Never had the problem you're suggesting. Sounds to me like you be snorting Bolivian TAP DANCE powder instead of the good stuff. I suppose baby laxative is better than rat poison, although in your case I doubt it...

I wish I could be a loser just like you.

Jewish

F#, MADDanfan--Well, if that's how you feel about Don Martin, then you gotta come over and check out the Alfred E. Neuman action figure I scored last weekend in Charlotte while seeking Pokemon cards for the offspring.

Doc K--Right. At least I haven't seen anything new. Good to hear from the Dude Ranch.

Alta--to find my e address, you just click on the oleander on the page. Or write oleander1@earthlink.net.

Vo-Cote-er--please explain "portomento."

OMIO--Older, uglier, and/ or wiser, you're cool wid me.

Mr. C, Lars, et al.--What I love at concerts is to see the musicians do what they do best AND love to do. So if someone plays something note for note, that's great, I got to see them do it. But if they run with it, I'm sent, because they're flexing their wings around their music, and making it live and breathe, making me hear and feel things I never have. I would also guess it gets incredibly boring to play the same thing exactly the same over & over, and that the renditions would become dull and lifeless, which I'm not interested in paying to see. The point about classical music is interesting. People don't play around with the arrangements of Beethoven, Liszt, & so on, but try to replicate them as perfectly as possible with their own touches--like freggzample the slow change from many-violined orchestral treatments to small chamber renditions of exactly the same notes, but with a completely different feel. There are occasionally riff versions, like Deodato doing "Also Sprach Zarathustra," but the ones I've heard are lightweight or jokes. Is it because the composers are all dead, or because of the type of music, that there is this difference? Rock & jazz are almost by definition improvisatory forms, and enough of their originators are around that they can riff on their own tunes. What think?

Geena baby--glad you're back from your Califortification. Let me know when you start your winetasting up there--I will lend plenty of enthusiasm if absolutely no knowledge. We must have some listmeld going on--I got the Jweish haikus and they're hilarious. "Fagen" is a Jewish name and "Fagan" an Irish name, though I guess it's safe to assume that there was some genealogical convergence back there somewhere.

Rubay--Perhaps if you & I, who have had dream conversations with both of the Dansters respectively, had a seance we could come up with a release date and a few samples. Game? Or would we be risking fezo's catapult?

Mu--Government's "obligation" only happens at the behest of voters or their (our) reps, or the lobbyists as the case may be. The problem with pure local control is the same as with any other issue--support for the poor, nuclear waste, etc.: very different standards can occur state to state and what goes one place may be anathema, or discriminatory, or substandard in another. Case in point: voting rights. So there has to be some overarching control of states' whims, er I mean rights. In the case of the arts, the feds can do different and in some cases more than locals to assure the continuation of the arts, eg the Poet Laureate. As for determining content, it's like the GB; as long as something is not overtly abusive or a hate crime, which of course is open to infinite interpretations if not jests, which is the point of art, then what you do when you fund it is give license to expression which by definition you can't control. I mean, I think Soviet state art is interesting, but hardly a leap of the human spirit. It's an example of bad "federal" control and overt censorship. Is there a middle ground between that and dung on the VIrgin? I dunno. If anybody finds it, e me.

OK, so more trivia: I'm probably the last to notice that Patti Austin, who just came out with a cover of "I.G.Y.," sang backup on "Gaucho."

Dearest St. Al--I know it's pointless to beg you, but it's getting pretty bad again, and clearly with intent to be a disgusting asshole. Please have pity on my poor scrollfinger....

Lars - I think there's a fair bit of bizarreness around here isn't there? I agree that musicians must move with the mood that takes them and develop musically as time passes etc, but there'll always be a part of the audience that wants the original style. Your point is quite valid though, and I note that a song can be definately improved by a more intense solo, or a new, never heard before verse (especially with Fagen & Becker's excellent lyric content). It's just that of the live concerts that come to mind, I'm just left hankering for the original.

My nose is bleeding from all that damn cocaine I did last night. I keep having to blow my nose repeatedly. Cocaine is funny, because when you do it, it always makes you have to go to the restroom immediately. You know what I'm talking about, it makes you have to do the old # 2 as it's been called many times over the centuries. If I'm inviting some young ladies over, coke-whores as I like to call them....I usually will try to snort the first line at least thirty minutes before they arrive. I don't want my restroom all stinky, you know, when they arrive. And let me tell you, it can get stinky, alright. These chicks we had over last night were wild ones, and loved the cocaine drug. It started out with a nice bottle of Chilean Chardonnay chilled in the wine chiller thingy, you know that thing that you fill up with ice, and it's metal and has handles on the side. Well, we had a bottle in there, and three more big bottles hidden away just in case it turned into a long night. We ordered Mediterranean food, and dined on dolmas, and hummus with pita bread, a strictly vegetarian meal. And then I said, "Who's ready for dessert?" And I whipped out a couple of baggies of the old Bolivian marching powder. It was a blind date, so I hoped my date wouldn't be offended. I was surprised when she pulled out her own silver straw and went straight to it. She was beautiful, and has a wonderful voice, too. And she's a very kinky girl, I found out. But this, I don't mind. I think the girl actually out snorted me, though. She could sure talk a mile a minute, too, while jacked up on that crazy shit. I finally had to shut her up, if you know what I mean. You know, so she couldn't talk. She knows how to "shut up" real good.

Lars,Doc Kelly
I think one of the points Mr Chow was trying to say has pretty
much been said before.
Walter Becker may be a brilliant songwriter,musician,producer,
but lets face it,he cannot sing.
He is as flat as a tack.
Midnite Cruiser is probably one of my favourite Steely Dan tunes
but after watching Beckers performance from 7/21/96 Mannanas
concert its enough to make a grown man cry.
Beckers vocals,guitarwork are to put it bluntly are SHITHOUSE.
That song normally flows along,but not in this case,and the two girls singing back up vocals are just as bad.
I think this whole deal of Becker wanting to sing has got out of hand.Even on Beckers own album,I've sat down many times,tried to open my mind and listen.Sure some of the music's great,but the vocals...Well???
Beckers interference with Steely Dan vocals has to stop!!!
They should have stuck to the original recipe.

Fagen & Becker....Composers
Fagen....Vocals
Becker....Guitars

Thats what made them a sucess,so why try and add something just to satisfy someones ego!!!

You know I just keep thinking of that post someone made a few months ago about Fagen not being happy with the New One,nor the record company being to happy with Walters singing....
I suppose we will just have to keep our hopes up.

Geena - Come on, as I had written elsewhere, I was just trying to provide some alternatives to people who have been hurt by AA, as I was and as some other people I know have been. Yes, it's good for some people, but not all programs are for everyone and it's good that we have some variety so that everyone can find something that's right for them. And I noticed that you wrote that when you want to lose weight, you put in the effort and do it yourself.

OMIO
Statistics are overwhelming that guns cause far more tragedies through accidents, assaults and such than they prevent by getting into the hands of "good" guys. Guns just raise the level of violence. They make lunatics powerful enough to intimidate and kill crowds of innocents. They have no place in society. People needing protection can carry Mace products, which don't kill or maim. I know there are some badasses out there who make us want to have protection, but the trade-offs just aren't worth it. It's like capital punishment. There are definitely some hideous criminals out there who deserve to be killed. But then you discover that in Illinois and other places they have been executing innocent people. But I'm glad you rethought your theory. It takes character to admit it when you were wrong.

Hello all, just returned from beautiful, sunny Sonoma, sampled some of the finest wines the valley produces. The friends I stayed with are also vintners/vintagers and make a very good chardonnay. If you ever come across a chardonnay from Cohn Vineyards, try it, it's superb. And I did not let myself falter to the evils of intoxication either. I am now thinking of getting involved in this myself since my dad also makes his own special vintages, and from grapes grown in the good old Northeast! Ahh, I can dream, can't I?

fezo: I agree with you on SNL. I stopped watching it years ago, when it stopped being funny. How it stays on the air so long and why advertisers are still buying this time slot is beyond me. Although i did watch some of their anniversary special and Billy Crystal can say anything and I still laugh. I think it's his facial expressions. Joe Piscopo, the late Phil Hartman and Gilda Radner, Eddie Murphy and Adam Sandler as well as a few others made the show interesting. There are worse things on TV other than Sinead O'Connor tearing up a picture of the pope, didn't do much for me or make me think any less of her. Didn't Madonna tear up a picture of someone too? Does anyone remember who it was?

Stranger: Thanks! I was overcome with fits of laughter! Remind me to send you the Jewish Haikus.

Clas: all is well here, how is your son doing?

JWMalibu: Please tell John's son that I adored his dad.

Ripcord: the solution is simple, try Kaopectate and lay off the spicy food.

Ruby: I believe it was written once on this very guestbook that Fagen was italian and I wouldn't believe it. His name is Irish, but that doesn't mean anything, most performers change their names. I don't think there is anything written about his personal life, although I could be wrong. Regardless, he's still the best.

Oleander: Hey girl! I think of you too, but you know how demanding the princess can me. Going back to work next week, I wish there were a way I could stay home forever.
if it's in the water, then send some up this way! I haven't had a dream of either one of the dynamic duo since the semi-erotic one I had a few weeks back.

Altamira: Whoa! chill out on the AA thing. It may not help all, but then some other therapies don't help all either. It's whatever works and I agree with Bill W. AA has helped numerous friends and family that I know too. For me, it's like when I am trying to lose the 5-10 pounds I gain around the holidays or when I go on vacation, I could really get used to it. Food to me is like alcohol and when it gets out of hand, I have to lower my self esteem and kick my own ass to make myself get on the treadmill and lay off the goodies until I am pleased with my own results, then my self esteem skyrockets! But that's what works for me. Everyone is different.

Gotta go, the husband is making a lot of noise downstairs and it's beginning to annoy me.

Mr. Chow: Good point... although I kinda like to hear the live performance because there are differences from the recording... especially in solos... but also through the entire song... there are many ways to interpret chord changes (transitions) and the way a musician chooses to do it in any particular performance is part of the "performance art" that music is... in fact, it's only in the last few decades (a drop in the bucket time-wise) that recordings of contemporary music have been available... there are an infinite number of songs that have never even been written down on paper (nor recorded) so that they could be exactly performed by some other person...

mr.Chow - I respect your opinion but I disagree with it when it comes to creative music. If I look for familiarity I put on a record/cd/video. At these times its important to recognize voices and sometimes even the exact notes in a solo or whatever it might be. But, on a concert I search for new paths and directions. Especially when some 10-20 years have passed since the record originally was released. The meaning of making a new record or a concert with old material must be that you have something new to tell me. When it comes to Midnight cruiser I find your opinion a little bizarre.

There´s another but parallel phenomenon with covers. Latley I ´ve heard "You might need somebody" arranged; produced and singed exactly the way that Randy Crawford did. Why waisting talent, time and money on something that already been done?

Clas - det var ju en dröm hon hade haft. fan, drömma om becker?

I think NBC/SNL/Lorne Michaels got the anti-Catholic rap because of Sinead O'Connor's performance on the show when she tore up a picture of the Pope. Mayor Rudy, as I recall, immediately sought to remove all city funding from SNL.

I am one of those old farts who thinks that SNL hasn't been funny since the Belushi era. These days i might watch it for the musical guests but that's it.

SCTV rules. Battle of the PBS stars, featuring Mr. Rogers getting his butt kicked by Julia Child; the telethon where The Elephant Man was in the background taking calls; the Candy character who blew up guest musicians (come on Mr. Sedaka, you got to hit one of those high notes); Perry Como is still alive, etc., etc., etc.

Hutch: so the Poe influenced Alan Parsons disc really does exist? My hearing it coincided with the first college keg party I ever went to. 12,333 beers later, I thought Parsons was even better than Floyd. When I sobered up (four years later), I searched for the album but never could find it. And the Parsons stuff I could find was lamer than lame. So I dismissed the Poe project as just another intoxicated illusion.

Clas: Jackson has also appeared in a musical. He played the scarecrow in a production of "The Wizard of Oz" that is shown interminably over here during the holidays. Alas, he was not in fine voice that night, unlike Roger Daltrey who stole the show as the tinman.

Lars - Allow me to read your word "meaning" as "benefit". The benefit of hearing the same recorded version at a live concert is that this is the reason I've gone to the live concert. It was the original version that enticed me to the music of Steely Dan. With a CD, you get the brilliant music, but without the atmosphere of the live concert and seeing these great artists in action. Now, when the opportunity to see them comes along, the thrill of hearing them play, say, "Kid Charlemagne" exactly as on the album, solos and all, not only confirms to ones subconscious that it is really Steely Dan on stage, but I find the familiarity exhilirating. Needless to say, I don't get to too many live concerts because not many artists appreciate that the original version is what I want to hear. Take another example - "Midnite Cruiser" - Yes, Jim Hodder's gone, but at least try to sing it as Jim Hodder did - make some effort to sound like Jim Hodder. An exception at live concerts is generally seen with classical concerts. While the music can be played very differently by each performer, every time I hear Rachmaninov's second piano concerto, the notes are the same as the CD at home, and this is what I want and expect to hear. Hence, I go to a lot more of them.

I got it Ruby; Roger Moore!

"Have either of you heard of Oskar Rejlander?"

Never heard of him. Lars, have you? Heard of him?

Du Lars - har du hängt med här? Varför har Den Allsmäktige snackat med Becker? Är det något sorts pris som delats ut? Nämn för fan inte att jag är inresserad av det här, jag är nämligen förbannad på Oleander. Låtsas som ingenting, men om du vet något, smyg in det på svenska. Tack.

JW Malibu - hmm... that was the last rockstar on earth I believed could surf, Jackson Browne. Santa Barbara hu mmm, that's about 30 kilometers north of Malibu? The Ranch? Do they take members like me?

Geena - hope everything is fine.

Rubybaby - I'm not able to email to you. Can't focuse. This chodeine is killing me. I'm going to the dentist the seventh. See you, you EuroAmerican! So, you're from Scotland? Are you anyway related to... to... what hell, what's his name again, that James Bondish kind of type? James Mason?

Altamira - thanks for a great email! We'll keep in touch but read above.

Got to go, there's a name coming in with my wave on it.

Cc

mr Chow - whats the meaning of hearing exactly the same arrangement live? I thought that attitude was limited to artists performing for younger audiences than Dan´s. We want more. The only songs worth listening to (paying for) on AiA are the new arrangements of SIS and Reelin´ even though the vocals on Reelin´sucks.

hi Ruby - I´ve heard of and seen works of that Oskar Rejlander. He was a photographer in Sweden who mostly worked abroad in the last century. He´s fairly known in Sweden among artlovers but I think he´s better known in Britain.

SNL - they dont show SNL on a regular basis here in Sweden but years ago there was a very funny guy reading the news with a very special way of speaking. I don´t remember his name.

I have just returned from one of the great DanFests of recent times. 9 hours of Steely Dan brilliance hosted by FanofDan in the beautiful surrounds of Kiama. We had over two hours of Manassis plus rare recordings in abundance collected painstakingly over many years by our generous host. We went “In the Studio” with Walter and Donald from September 14, 1992, and generally had an excellent adventure in good music. The food! Man you put on a good spread, Joanne, Al & Dan. Great Cooking, Great Company, Great Music, and we had it so loud that all of Kiama could hear it! A splendid Danfest my good man. Your generosity knows no bounds Al, Here’s to you & yours!

As an aside for comment from others, “Green Earrings takes the cake at Manassis. A version very close to the original. I want to hear tunes played and sung exactly as on the record when I go to live concerts, and “Green Earrings” was pretty close. Great to hear “Glamour Profession” played live, although try to copy Rob Mounsey’s piano solo to the note in future please guys. Where was Denny Dias?

NBC a racist, gay-bashing network offensive to Catholics? Now THAT'S funny!

excerpts from a recent conversation:

She: "Why are we watching SNL?
He: "Because it might be funny"
She: "Was it ever funny before?"
He: "Of course it was, and it might be funny again."
She: "Has it ever been as funny since?"
He: "No"
She: "Tell me, why are we watching SNL?".....

Now, perhaps it's just me. But isn't NBC and even Lorne Michaels extremely critical of Catholics? Aren't they, overall, offensive to Catholics?
Isn't NBC a gay-bashing, racist network? Don't you think?

ygk

Alan Parson's "I Robot" rules.

RB ~ TH was sportin' more "stubble" than beard...he's out at the second point of Malibu a lot. He learned to surf as a adult (not easy), so he's like a kid out there ~ he'll surf anything, no matter how small!

...and yes, John Candy was hilarious! I, too was a BIG fan of SCTV and Candy's characters, particularly Johnny LaRue. John's 16 year-old son Chris works at my buddy's skateboard shop, and the resemblance is uncanny. Chris is an aspiring trumpeter, and I've been arranging/producing some "easy" cool jazz stuff for him ~ I'll post some MP3s on my site in a few weeks when we're done...

Whoever wrote "Audrey in Chameleon Change" below ~ can I have a word w/you? My e-mail address is: JWMalibu@msn.com ~ thanx!

I prefer SNL in the specials format - that way most of the skits which were sophmoric at best are eliminated. For what it's worth I found the most consistent group to be the "maaahvelous" '84 ensemble with Billy Crystal, Martin Short, Harry Shearer, Christopher Guest, Rich Hall, etc. who introduced Spinal Tap, Fernando, the male synchronized swimmers (one with a lifevest!) to the world. They were fired after one year when the ego known as Lorne Michaels grabbed the show from Ebersol and installed a dismal group including very young Anthony Michael Hall and Robert Downey...only Jon Lovitz survived to the next season. Don't watdh much of the new group though they are reported to be quite solid.

Come to think of it we used to prefer SCTV, when we could figure out it's schedule in the late 70s! I just fall out of my easy chair thinking about John Candy's boxing training camp, the Great White North, the not-so-scary Dracula, the godfather character as head of the network. Well before Letterman, they were throwing TVs from high story buildings.

I know everybody's up in arms about the new one, but what about the Goddamn remasters? Well, there were 6 months between the first two and the next two, so I'm guessing Christmas.

ygk: I know Chris Farley had talent, but I never got into him. I watched SNL when I was still in hebron - when it was Chevy Chase, Dan Aakroid, Eddie Murphy, Jane Curtain, Gilda Radner, Garret Morris, Lorraine Newman. After that group broke up, I lost some interest. By the time Farley came on I was long gone. Speaking of large loveable funny guys, don't you miss John Candy?

Clas: I'll have to get back to you about karl-oskar's note. What a man he is! I'm serious.

Lars: I'll get back to you, too. I went to the farmers' market and now I have food to prepare. Love to cook. hej do

Have either of you heard of Oskar Rejlander?

stranger: Donald Fagen looks way more Scottish than Irish. He looks like a Highlander - you know those certain ones that live forever and can fight like a muvva?

oleander: I just came out of the shock of knowing that you got to talk with Walter Becker! You lucky dog!! No - it's not even luck. I don't believe in luck. It's part of your destiny. More & better to come, no doubt. I keep thinking of how great he must look in white...

My SO asked me last night if DF wrote the theme song to the Hugleys. I listened to it - did he?

JWMalibu: Did TH shave that awful beard yet? I saw him on the SNL 25th anniversary.

rb

I tooka shit today and it burned my asshole. It was funny, because there I was washing dishes, and the disposal started to stop up with all of the chili meat that I cooked for lunch. There were globs of grease and meat, and chips, which I dipped in my bowl of chili and scooped up for a good lunch meal. I suddenly felt a gurgling in my bowels and knew that I would be shitting soon. I ran to the bathroom and put the toilet seat down, and splurt!! It all came out of my ass so quick, I couldn't believe it. It hurt, man, I'm telling you, but it didn't hurt in a bad way. It hurt so good, as they say. No pain, no gain, right? So I finally got up, after groaning in pain and pleasure for awhile, and reading a great biographry of an author that all of you should know, but have probably never read. When I looked down into the toilet, it was all globby and red. It took several wipes to clean my filthy ass. And because of the fact that I was having such a hard time getting my ass clean, the toilet filled with toilet paper. When I flushed, it stopped up, and running reddish brown doglike shit flowed all over my bathroom floor. My dog ran into the room and began licking it up, eating MY shit. Dogs will eat anything, even shit. I kicked that damn dog in the nose with my dirty feet and said, "no, jackass, get out of here, I'm busy. Then, I realized I needed to crap again. It started running out of my ass on the floor. The dog ate some more shit, and then sneezed one of those dog sneezes. I felt better after that last squirt, though. Shitting sure is painful sometimes, but you've got to do it. What does everyone think? I'm sure you're offended by this posting, but doesn't everyone shit? Haven't every one of you experienced something similar before? Our society is afraid to speak of these things. I feel it's my duty to bring these mundane daily occurrences into the open. Sometimes I enjoy shitting, it even feels good. Even if it burns the asshole, it feels strangely very pleasing to expel all of that poisonous waste. Well, shit, I've got to go. I've said my piece....of shit. If anyone else feels the way I do, please let me know. Let the world know. Don't be afraid of your own shit. It may hurt sometimes, but it's necessary. And sometimes, it's even pleasing to smell your own shit. It is not pleasing to smell other people's shit though.

JW - I remember Herbie Hancock "singing" through that kind of thing in late 70ies or early 80ies. I think it was "I thought it was you". Terrible.

Clas&Ruby - så klart att män i min ålder uppskattar att se på.

Altamira - that´s what makes you proud beeing swedish!

"Eye In The Sky" was, cryptically enough, on The Alan Parsons Project album called "Eye In The Sky".

I believe you can also find it on a greatest hits collection called "Eye In The Sky".

Cars!

JW ~ When I think of the Vocoder I think of Alan Parsons'first album, "Tales of Mystery and Imagination", and the song "The Raven".

This was Parsons' tribute to Edgar Allen Poe, if anyone out there is not familiar with it. An excellent album. The very last song, "To One in Paradise" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. It's right after the five part House of Usher Suite. You can really tell he had been working with Pink Floyd.

"Eye in the Sky" is another favorite. I forgot which album that was on.

Hutch

Is that right? Fagen is half-Irish? Just goes to show what you can accomplish even if you're only 50 percent Jewish.

OK, you're right.. My perspective on self-defense & related hardware has been distored by working too many shows, with too many bands, at too many bars & frat houses..
One had a great female singer & they did JEff. Airplane & Buff. Sprinfield covers.. Booking agent figured that made 'em qualified for country shows.. Outside Modesto in '69 we worked an awful C&W club.. Female singer went out with a (seemingly nice) guy to smoke.. 2 other (not nice) guys were waiting.. They were in the process of assaulting her when 2 band guys ran to help & got beat up for their efforts.. By then the club owner heard the commotion & came out with a sawed off 12 guage, & fired in the air.. Which brought the bad guys up short.. We didn't want cops around because we're all a bunch of Outlaws & didn't want cops looking in our truck.. Club owner looked at us kind of pissed off & said "You kids had better learn to take care of yourselves"..
He was right.. we were a bunch of kids in the wrong place & couldn't handle it.
We all got a little Older, Uglier & Wiser that night..
That's all I meant, & that's all folks...

YGK ~ The old "Network Reliability and Interoperability Council", which is making sure, among other things, that our foreign friends can post on this board come Y2K...

Re: Cher & the magic black boxes ~ Edd is once again on the money! The device is in fact a vocoder, which takes a voice and matches it to (by running it INTO) a synthesizer patch, so that the synthesizer/vocal hybrid produces an electronic/robotic vocal. Certainly not a new device (they were commercially available since the early '70s), for example the old Arp 2600 used by Stevie Wonder and Joe Zawinul had a 1/4" input for such "vocal modification". Zappa used a vocoder on "Joe's Garage" (The Central Scrutinizer), and you might remember it also on Styx's "Mr. Roboto" (cheezy as all hell, but a good example of its use). So why the hell is Cher using it? To be hip, slick and cool, and to jump on the electronica bandwagon much as Madonna did with "Ray of Light"...and ya' know what? It worked! That song is her biggest hit ever, saleswise (whatever that's worth ). Beats the hell outa' doing info-mercials, I guess...BTW, all the new retro-"virtual analog" synths on the market have vocoder inputs, and ~ Attn. Midnite ~ the Roland VS card has vocoder effects on it as well. These devices are not to be confused with harmonizers and/or pitch correctors, which are used by the Brittney Spears of the world to beef up their lackluster vocals. I've got a device called the Digitech Vocalist which I absolutely love. It takes your voice, and does perfect (up to) four-part harmonies based upon the chord progressions sent into it via MIDI data from Cubase. Instant CSN/Beach Boys harmonies! I did an arrangement of "Any Major Dude..." with it recently, lots of fun! Saw a great Nicole Sullivan/Cher bit on MadTV recently ~ "Do you believe...that I'm still alive"!

Clas ~ Yeah, working in the digital realm these days...don't miss the hiss one bit! And yes, Mr. Browne grew up surfing on our fine SoCal beaches, and still hits the waves ~ although mostly at "The Ranch", a very exclusive private stretch of beach up by Santa Barbara that boasts some of the best waves in SoCal. Saw Tom Hanks out in the water this morning...

Have a great weekend!