SIS Archives -- September 2001

Name: Clas
@ work

Date: Sunday, September 30, 19101 at 23:35:49
Comments:

Dragon - it was YOU! I thought that was a very funny post. I suspected mr Becker for a while. Funny stuff.

America, bless God,

C

Hey, that was me playing GOD the other day or so. I didn't mean to upset or insult anyone by that, just to inject some humour into some subjects that seemed to have every third person or so on this GB discombobulated.

StAl -- the post page says Sign in, wont (instead of won't). There are other mistakes but I'm trying not to be anal rententive.

StAl -- I have GB entries from:

Sunday Sept 16 at 01:50:13 to:
Tues Sept 25 at 21:53:45

email me if this is of any help

Chartreuse would look good on you, St Al.

Hey, I think I'll dye my hair chartreuse.

GROWN PEOPLE WHOSE EMOTIONAL AND/OR SOCIAL GROWTH HAS STALLED IN ANY OF THE ABOVE AGE GROUPS, SAY FOR
INSTANCE, THE PERSON WHO POSTED THAT DRIVEL, IS WORSE THAN ANY COMBINATION OF THE ABOVE.

Yes, and if you focussed your energy on taking care of THEM instead of your own freaking DNA you would notice you are one of them yourself.

*CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP*

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

Babies - that is probably the most astute statement ever made on this guestbook! Please post your phone number!

Babies - that is probably the most astute statement ever made on this guestbook!

Babies - that is probably the most astute statement ever made on this guestbook!

Q: How many Ferengi does it take to change a lightbulb?
1: None of your business, huu-mahn !!!

2: Depends. How much?

3: Two: one to change it, and the other to sell the old bulb as an antique.

4: Two: one to change it and one to sell the old one as new

5: None: they'll just sell the whole lamp to some young Starfleet Ensign.

6: Just one, but he'll charge you double for it.

7: Ferengi Never change!!

8: For the right price, as many as you want.

9: None...they steal it and sell it for profit

10: Two. one to steal a new one, the other to go sell the broken one.

You start as pulsing colors
You start as an unclear signal
But if I lay back and relax, the images start to come through
0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0...
You have a feel that I couldn't imagine
Straight from another world
I never hoped that you'd meet me halfway

Images form on the matrix, I reach out my hands to you
Images form and you're reaching back
My virtual lover
You make me feel not so lonely any more

And when I'm away I think of you in radio waves and T.V. signals
And when I start to hold you close
0 1 1 0 0 1 1...
You're straight at the heart of my buried dreams
Oh my Medusa, your eyes captured me
Caught by a feel that I couldn't imagine
Straight from another world

Images form on the matrix, I reach out my hands to you
Images form and you're reaching back
My virtual lover
You make me feel not so lonely any more

You were an incubus nightmare too
You were a demon I made love to
You were my dread, and you were my fantasy
Lost forever to you
I'm lost forever to you
You make me feel not so lonely anymore

Monks of Doom
Forgery 1993

with l-u-v...

"BABIES ARE HORRIBLE."
"CHILDREN ARE WORSE."
"TEENAGERS MAKE CHILDREN LOOK FUN."

GROWN PEOPLE WHOSE EMOTIONAL AND/OR SOCIAL GROWTH HAS STALLED IN ANY OF THE ABOVE AGE GROUPS, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE PERSON WHO POSTED THAT DRIVEL, IS WORSE THAN ANY COMBINATION OF THE ABOVE.

Gonna try and cure this fucked up throat....see you all in a week. D

ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN!!
WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN?

1) YOU ARE GOING TO GET FAT. You are not going to grow a cute basketball-shaped belly that will disappear as soon as you pop out the rugrat. You are going to pork out like Rosie O'Donnell if she was locked in a BJ's Wholesale Club for a month with a Gold Card. See those hips? They are going to become a shelf you could serve dinner on. Take a look at your boobs. Now visualize them being deflated like beach balls with a leak, until they are hanging at your waist, which is something you will no longer have. See your stomach? It is going to look like an accordion-pleated, cottage-cheese stuffed goat bladder. Your baby's daddy is going to tell you a lot of lies about how you still look beautiful while he is spending lunch hour at the Motel 6 with Candie from the office. And don't think for a minute that a ten-minute walk around the block with one of those fancy-schmancy running strollers will give you your old body back. Your metabolism has changed forever and even if you lose the weight, you will have the skin of a 200 pound woman hanging on a 120 pound body.

2) YOUR SEX LIFE WILL END. Having fun trying to get pregnant? Sure you are. It is the most sex your husband has ever had, after all. Enjoy it, because your sex life is about to end permanently. Every parent I know agrees that this is true. You will never be spontaneous again, because the first time you try, Junior will be squeaking, "Mommy, why are you kissing Daddy's pee- pee?" The old joke about headlights and a snake in the grass does not seem so funny now, does it? And that is the best case scenario.

The only serious urge left for you will be the urge to lumber to the kitchen for another Ho-Ho. If you do attempt to resume having sex, you will quickly find that your skin was not the only thing stretched out by pregnancy and labor. Just imagine poking your pinky finger in and out of a Dixie Cup if you want to visualize what post-pregnancy sex is like. Luckily for the father of your children, there are a lot of women like myself who only want sex from a man. I am sure one of us will find him.

3) YOU WILL NEVER HAVE MONEY AGAIN. Unless you are in Bill Gate's tax bracket, having a child will bankrupt you. Parenthood is the most expensive and least rewarding hobby known to man. If I buy an old Mercedes and spend $10,000 fixing it up to mint condition, at the end I have a beautiful, classic car. If I have a baby and spend every cent I make feeding it, clothing it, paying its medical bills and buying it every Beanie Baby ever made, at the end I have a teenager who hates my guts and everything I stand for (but does, however, want me to keep paying his bills).

Most amusing is the parental myth that a child will support you financially in your old age. By the time you reach your so-called "golden years," your kids will be shipping you off to a nursing home staffed by ex-convicts itching to get at your money and few precious mementos. Most of middle-aged adults are still hitting up their retired parents for money, and most of the parents are so stupid, they are still giving it. Why don't they just lie on their kids' porches with DOORMAT painted on their chests?

4) YOU DO NOT HAVE A BABY, IT HAS YOU. Your freedom is gone... forever. Do you like to go to movies? Bars? Concerts? Well, forget all of it. You are now chained to your house. Forget vacations - there are very few places you can take a baby (and a lot of people like me willing to rip your moronic head off if you bring a baby to my peaceful, serene vacation spot). Forget leaving it with a babysitter - your chances of finding one who will not trash your house and host the Midwest Hell's Angels Annual Convention the second your car has turned the corner are minimal at best. Not to mention that the same family which applauded you for choosing to breed in the first place will not raise a hand to help you once the anklebiter has arrived. The same goes for those folks at your church who convinced you that you were bound for a fiery afterlife if you did not start popping out the next generation of god-fearing Christians. You are alone...you and the most disgusting, repugnant, filthy creature on earth - your baby.

5) BABIES ARE HORRIBLE. Stop watching those damn diaper commercials! Do you think those are real babies? You will notice the actual sounds of real babies have been omitted. Instead there is a pleasing announcer's voice or background music playing. Real babies shriek their fucking heads off 24/7, with the volume level highest around 3 A.M, and it is a sound that could shatter glass. It is easily the most annoying sound on earth, and there is no way to stop it. Nor do you see a diaper that is actually being used in those commercials. Baby shit might be the most repulsive smelling substance on the planet. As if the normal variety was not bad enough, babies constantly have diarrhea. They are also very fond of puking on their handlers. They do not eat food; they spit it and later, throw it. They squirt urine at you when you bathe them. No person in their right mind would adopt a pet that had the habits of the average baby. We would be gassing them in shelters by the thousands, which is not such a bad idea when you think about it.

6) CHILDREN ARE WORSE. Once a baby becomes a child, it becomes even worse than it was as a baby. Once it can move, it can and will break things. The more valuable the items are, the greater the chance it will smash them to smithereens the second your back is turned. Whatever you tell it to do, it will do the opposite. It will crayon on your walls, cram candy between the seats of your car and set the dog's tail on fire. It will microwave the goldfish just to see what happens, Mommy. It will run through the white-carpeted living room with muddy boots, smash the china cabinet with a baseball and skateboard into the neighbor's Lexus.

Then it will go to school and you will have the privilege of attending PTA meetings that are every bit as exciting as watching campaign finance hearings on C-SPAN and sitting through conferences with some touchy-feely guidance counselor who says little Johnny is flunking math because you yelled at him once when he shot an arrow at the cat.

Every time you take it out in public, there is a good chance it will throw a hissy fit. If you try to take it to a nice restaurant or cultural event, you will be regarded stonily by dozens of adults with that "don't you dare sit next to me" look on their face. Give up and get used to saying, "Yes, I would like fries with that. Oh, and super-size it."

Forget all adult activities in general. You are going to be spending the best years of your life at Chuck E Cheese, watching a giant rat sing to you and having nerf balls bounced off your head.

7) TEENAGERS MAKE CHILDREN LOOK FUN. Ah, those teenage years. If you are too old to remember the misery you put your parents through at this point, let me recap it for you. Teenagers hate their parents. They do anything they can to offend their parents and anyone else with taste. They paint their faces white and dress up like vampires. They pierce holes all over their body. They experiment with every drug in the book and wrap your car around telephone poles and mailboxes. They dye their hair chartreuse. They do not want to work, but they do not want to go to school either. What they mostly want to do is steal cars with their friends and have sex whenever possible, usually with the person who will most offend their parents and leading to the very real possibility that you will end up with - you guessed it - another baby to take care of, thus starting the entire process all over again.

If you still want to have a baby, go ahead. But could you move to another country before you do it? I'm sick and tired of sitting at the booth next to you.

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Now that we have put the anono-babies to sleep ...

!! ATTENTION !! ATTENTION !! ATTENTION !!

Los Angeles Dan-Fest (potential - OK?)

The Steely Fan Band plays at the Manhattan Beach Fall Festival -

Please join us on Sunday, October 7,2001 at the Old Town Fair in Manhattan Beach, Ca. The Address is 1901 Valley Drive at Live Oak Park in the city of Manhattan Beach. Showtime is 2:00pm.

Angel - if the weather next Sunday is anything like today's wonderful sunny day, it will be a great outing bring the Devil and the protege.

W1P - American Airlines, the move, and the LA DAN FEST. I hope you can make it. When is Which One's Pink? playing next. I'm there.

Last night, the Doctor Wu band played at 14 Below in Santa Monica. Our mutual friend W.W. worked sound for the band, so the Wu-ers sounded really good. The fat slob club-supplied sound man was sent packing. He probably found a schmorgasborg somewhere ...

At the start of the first set, Tony, the band's lead singer dedicated the night's performance to Gary, their trumpet player who lost his life driving back from Nebraska to Los Angeles: "Gary's playing celestial horns right now ..."

To all a peaceful Sunday.

God Bless America

Steveedan (MFM for the SFB)

"An occasional post,
from someone like Dr. Mu is fine, but this/these people are doing it anonymously. You can't answer to that."

Hey jonny (I got your number) right here -

Anonymouse on the attack again? Game over. Baby's play time is over too. Now we yank you off the floor, wipe your face clean, plug a bottle in your mouth, throw you into your crib, lock it shut, and turn off the baby monitor. Have a good night's sleep, cranky jonny.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program ...

Steveedan

Apple vs. Corporate Treadmill

The anon who wrote on "Sunday, September 30, 19101 at 01:16:06" on Fiona Apple...well put. Better than I could have expressed it.I'd rather listen to an angry tortured poet expressing complex human emotion than the sterile and often shallow offerings from the corporate treadmill.

As far as how she treats her fans...
I think that this is a part of who she is. It comes with the territory.

-Paige

Clas: Oh yeah. For several years now, to be exact. There is a great spot that runs on TV here, about the Philharmonic and Essa Pekka.
z/x: Well, I think you finally got it. Enjoy Making Aja.
Funny stuff on the Babylon Sisters extravaganza. Especially love the lead singer asking you what it was about. Tell him it has religious significance. :-)
I was sorry to hear that things have gotten so bad in NY that Roger says they won't be recording in October. But then again, I remember them saying they usually do 6 week things. Six weeks on and six weeks off. So this may not be deviating from their schedule. It just means more to Roger, to get that break. Looking less and less like a summer 2002 tour to me. We will be lucky to get a 2003 tour, at this rate.
Blaise: Everything has been said? I don't think so. A lot has been said, but not everything, by a long shot.
St. Al: I really think that if the person or persons who keep posting article after article continue, you should revisit your non editing stand. What is going on here, is your Steely Dan people are getting upset. Without us to weigh in, the board becomes someones personal political views. An occasional post, from someone like Dr. Mu is fine, but this/these people are doing it anonymously. You can't answer to that. My take.

Mu ~ Agreed...the new Ben Folds album is SOLID!

And while nudity, other positions practicing sex than the missionary posiotion, and teaching kids evolution are illegal, in USA...

...am I sitting here watching the Icebears walking the streets of Stockholm and I must ask -

Angel - really? You've heard about Esa Pekka? I think I have it in the back of my head; isn't he working in Los Angeles?

C

Now let me get this straight... ruthless people attack from nowhere abusing the means at hand and using shady I.D to bully and harm unsuspecting citizens and there's no way to immediately retaliate effectively because you're unsure about the exact source of the attacks... hmm... there's no escaping this, is there?

October off?
I say, let's have a link Oktoberfest myself then, low profile stuff.
Btw, it's football time in NY so I'll take the Giants and the Jets (?!) at home this week. Too early for the odds on Russian tanks vs the Taliban forces.

received this in e-mail today and thought I'd pass it along:

Subject: Islamic and nudity

"The President has asked that we unite for a common cause." Since the hard line Islamic people cannot stand nudity, and consider it
a sin to see a naked woman that is not their wife, tonight at 7:00, all women should run out of their house naked to help weed out the terrorists. The United States appreciates your efforts, and applauds you. God bless America.

Hey what a mess. Last I saw was God's post. Then this.

Oh well,

God Bless Me, America, the other part of Canada and Gina,

C

Teen chanteuses seem to be all the rage today, but as songs like "Oops, I did it again" fill the airwaves, I am struck by how far the quality
of songs has sunk since Fionna Apple's Tidal debuted several years ago. Though the same age as singers such as Britany Spears and
Christina Aguilera when her cd was first released, the music contains a much more mature and complex mixture of adult insight and
youthful naivte then is currently available with today's teen music scene. Unlike many teen artists today, I consider Fionna a true musician.
She wrote and played the piano on all the songs on the album and she sings with incredible emotion and maturity far beyond her eighteen
years.

Though it has been several years since I first purchased the album, I still consider it to be one of my best purchases and favorite among my
collection. Every song is strong and poignant and I play the cd straight through everytime I listen to it. Her songs display a wide variety
ranging from the flat out angry "Sleep to Dream" to the delicate "Never is a Promise." Other highlights include the seductive "Slow like
Honey" and my personal favorites "Shadowboxer" and "Criminal". Both of which display Fionna's pure raw emotion and voice. "Shadowboxer" is my single favorite. It's dark, jazzy and totally elegant.

Hey, why does the Italian Navy use glass bottom boats?

A. To see the old Italian Navy!

HAHAHAHAHA!

No cards or letters please. I'm half Italian-American and yes I am more than aware that Afghanistan is landlocked - that's part of the point as in "Who cares if the Italians don't support us fully?"

The noose is around the Taliban's neck tonight. Russians, Special Services, Oliver's Army. The boys are motivated and we'll have Steely Dan back in the studio again in no time...

IN 1995, Bill Clinton opened the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach. The WIO, as it was non-famously known, was pretty much a symbolic shop with a handful of staffers whose main purpose seems to have been to identify women as a special interest group in the Clintonian scheme of things. That made feminists happy.

During that same year, of course, Mr. Clinton was almost simultaneously initiating some women's outreach of his own in his private White House office with a 21-year-old intern named Monica Lewinsky. That seems to have made feminists happy, too--or at least happy to remain silent.

And even as Bill Clinton was revealed to have been a serial sexual harasser who had groped and propositioned a career-long kickline of luckless females (including some employees), while failing to refute a credible charge of rape along the way, feminists remained happy--or at least happy to remain silent. Sisterhood, schmisterhood. What was feminist principle next to political power? They were a special interest group in the Clintonian scheme of things and that made them happy.

No more. Now that Bill Clinton is gone and George W. Bush has coolly and quietly shuttered the more official of the two Clinton outreach offices (having repainted and redecorated the one known as the Oval Office), feminists are in what you might call snit.

"If [Mr. Bush] doesn't want there to be polarization, wants to get out of gridlock and head-knocking, this is a strange way to go about it," huffed Patricia Ireland, president of the National Organization for Women, to the Washington Post. Audrey Haynes, former WIO director, sounded her alarm to the Boston Globe: "Bush's decision to close the office concerns me,"--as Mr. Clinton's predatory ways with women, apparently, never did. Martha Burk, self-described "chair" of the National Council of Women's Organization, is also verging on palpitations, particularly when it comes to the--get this--the future of sexual harassment complaints in the Bush administration.

Given the shameful failure of avowed feminists to voice any such "concerns" (or even cluck) over the vivid, detailed harassment and intimidation charges made against Bill Clinton by women ranging from Gennifer Flowers to Paula Jones to Kathleen Willey to Juanita Broaddrick, you've got to wonder whether Ms. Burk is more concerned about how such charges might be pursued in the future, or simply whether there will be any such charges in the future to lend a cockeyed kind of sexual-harassment-parity to the Bush White House--which would really make feminists happy.

Of course, there are other ways to try to cover up the years of silent complicity. Having had nothing to say for a single Jane Doe, before, during or after Mr. Clinton's impeachment, feminists now, finally, seem to be finding their voices. And what are they saying? Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Elaine Showalter, Princeton professor and author of "Inventing Herself: Claiming a Feminist Intellectual Heritage," has decided it is now time to invent Monica Lewinsky, along with Sarah Ferguson, "two long-standing targets of ridicule and scorn, whose humiliations have launched a thousand quips ... about fat and sex" as "feminist icons of the year."

Now, there's something to admire. "Both have had scandalous failed relationships with men in positions of power. Both have been spokeswomen for diet centers," she writes. "It's empowering and inspiring to see this much-mocked duo speak up, strike back and convert mistakes into lessons, instead of hiding away in shame or going into a nunnery." Feel that surge of victimhood? Strange that Ms. Showalter doesn't see that whatever success this "much-mocked duo" enjoys has nothing to do with feminism, but everything to do with the potency of notoriety in our culture. Leaving aside Sarah Ferguson--who just might, incidentally, quibble over equating her celebrated, if doomed, marriage to a prince, which resulted in two children, with Ms. Lewinsky's furtive and adulterous interludes with the former president, which resulted in a hat pin--the apotheosis of Ms. Lewinsky as "feminist icon" comes across as a self-serving effort to salve the feminist conscience, to turn Ms. Lewinsky's outrageous victimization, which feminists did nothing to avenge, into a weird kind of virtue.

Sounds like a matter worth further study by the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach--that is, if George W. Bush hadn't just shut the thing down. Then again, who really needs a special-interest office to "reach out" to women with "initiatives," whatever they are, especially when the White House--from counselor Karen Hughes, the highest-ranking female White House staffer in history, to National Security advisor Condoleeza Rice, to cabinet secretaries Christie Todd Whitman and Gayle Norton, to Counsel of Economic Advisor member Diana Furchtgott-Roth, to Office of Personnel Management director Kay Coles James--happens to be filled with them?

Sources also said the Pentagon is drawing
up plans for a possible humanitarian
airdrop of food and medical supplies in
Afghanistan in an effort to win the "hearts
and minds" of the Afghan people.

AT least they had enough sense to condemn the attack. At least they understand that it's a bad thing that happened, that it was wrong. And here, at least, they're able to discern who the injured party is. This may sound elementary, but take nothing for granted. They've been confused about simpler things.

The touching photographs of people in other countries reacting to the American catastrophe betray the fear of god they must have acquired for their own hides upon seeing America so vulnerable. The way in which the attack on the U.S. was felt around the world indicates that other countries understand the meaning of America and why we're here; they are not indifferent to our presence on the globe. Which would imply that, generally speaking, America is good; America does the right thing.

But rewind to the week just before the disaster: There was an eight-day UN "racism conference" that crowned a growing anti-Americanism which, in addition to trying to bankrupt the U.S. through bizarre schemes like reparations and the Kyoto Treaty, saw us get kicked off of at least two international commissions. So could it be that the other countries do in fact know better? That perhaps the motives for their claims on us are disingenuous? That they stomp their feet protesting their virtuous intentions and our evil ones, all the while knowing that Dad's right?

If so, it's a shame that it took all this for the truth to come out. Maybe now they will also admit that Israel has been serving as body armor, absorbing most of the terrorist aggression that has the rest of us as its ultimate targets. Perhaps the international community will finally let Israel do what it needs to do, to save its self and, ultimately, help the world do the same.

Unless, of course, the point is that they don't want Israel to save itself. In which case the world should stop beating around the Hanukkah bush, and quit having the Arabs do its bidding-just start mixing the poisoned Kool-Aid now; it would be far more efficient than these drawn out, ongoing conferences of condemnation. Why do they feel they even need excuses like equating Zionism with racism? They should be more honest like Hitler.

Meanwhile, other countries are telling us not to retaliate for the September 11th attack without consulting other countries, getting consent and building coalitions-and still other countries are advising us to not retaliate at all so as to not anger the terrorist gods.

As both an American and a Jew-and therefore twice a racist as far as the UN is concerned-I feel unencumbered to speak freely.

So once Israel is destroyed (the UN having airlifted any Jews of color to safety), and America loses the rest of its skylines, the coast will be cleared for Arabs to re-enslave Africans and for Africans to re-enslave each other, and for the Asian and Eastern European slave trades to continue unabated.

Given this grim outlook-and given the European Union's self-destructive and counterproductive tendencies-we must ask ourselves now: Do we really need to heed the advice and demands of other countries? Indeed, is there even any need for other countries to exist? (I'm not saying destroy them; I'm just pointing out their irrelevance.)

The only reason people even visit other countries is for the landscapes and architecture, and most of that is already here. Just look at Las Vegas: Hotel-casinos styled after exotic places from all over the world, with names like Venetian, Monte Carlo, Mandalay Bay, Sahara, Rio and Barbary Coast. There's also one called Excalibur, where Camelot is alive and kicking. Even the Egyptian pyramids are there-as is Paris, with the Eiffel tower bursting through the buffet. (New York is there too, so the French can have their Statue of Liberty back, because we already have another one in Vegas.) Basically, anything other countries have, Vegas built. If Vegas didn't think of it, it must not be that important.

After all, these are countries who every time we have to execute a high-profile criminal-even a terrorist-criticize our human rights. (Our human rights record is so bad, people in other countries die just thinking about coming here.) But people do get executed in other countries-just not the criminals. Meanwhile, accolades for most tolerant nation usually go to some Scandinavian country. (How many off-white people do you see running around Sweden?) Then they get on us for our medical system-where an illegal alien gets treated in the time it takes other countries to put a citizen on a waiting list. So why should the opinions of other countries even matter? Why should we care what they think-about anything? Especially those freeloaders in the UN. (I realize their buildings are technically not on US soil, so we can't exactly kick them out, but couldn't we erect a very tall black wall around those 18 acres so as to at least spoil their view-which is the main reason they've entrenched themselves here anyway.)

It's time as well to put an end to that Nobel committee-also run by other countries. I mean, Arafat gets a prize but Bill Clinton doesn't? I suppose they would have given him one except that, hard as he tried, Israel is still standing. (Clinton reportedly berated Arafat, in the midst of the weekly Jerusalem bombings that were occurring before September 11th, for spoiling his chances at the Prize. What might he have said? "Oh sure: Now you cooperate!" ) Boy, if they ever try to give me one of those things, I'll protest: "But I didn't kill anybody!"

Meanwhile, NATO members are already backing out of their creed "an attack on one is an attack on all," with Italy refusing to send its troops for any possible U.S. retaliation and Norway and Germany declining participation in any direct military NATO action.

Apparently, NATO's a tough guy when it comes to defending a non-member state (heck, a non-state) by ganging up on a nation trying to contain a civil war within its borders, as it did in 1999. But when it comes to the only real threat facing the world (not to mention a member state), it gets cold feet.

Granted, as with the boy who cried wolf, NATO may not be eager to jump into another US-led coalition just two years after the Kosovo false alarm that became a disaster. But they should be able to distinguish between an American president fabricating a crisis, and one trying to solve one.

So what is their thinking? They've acknowledged that ultimately September 11th is not only America's problem, so at least they have an inkling that they could be next. Could it be that much of Europe is pulling a France: "Don't alienate terrorists; they could be our future masters." In other words, rather than go out on a limb and risk some casualties by helping America now, they're opting for a slow death later-from which the Americans will have to save them again.

A cop in a movie once said that nobody likes the policeman-until they need him. And then he's everybody's daddy. So it is with the U.S.

America's detractors complain that the U.S. is impervious not only to Arab rights
but also to Arab suffering. If the Palestinians are Exhibit A, the Iraqis are Exhibit
B. While most Arabs detest Saddam for his own brand of brutality and arrogance,
they don't understand why the U.S. continues to insist, 10 years after the Iraqis
were forced out of Kuwait, on worldwide sanctions that are devastating the Iraqi
people. According to the U.N., some 5,000 Iraqi children die every month of
malnutrition and disease because of the sanctions.

"Would we tolerate this kind of boycott, the starving of Czechs, for example?"
asks A. Kevin Reinhart, professor of religion at Dartmouth. "No. We've done
some specific things that are perceived as reflecting either an indifference to or a
hostility to Muslims." Islamic radicals keep a list of what they consider our casual
cruelty, although their definition of who is inflicting the pain sometimes includes
all of Christendom. They list the U.S. sanctions against Syria, Libya, Iran and
Sudan--all Muslim countries (and all, not coincidentally, considered by the State
Department to be sponsors of terrorism). They list the U.S. missile strikes in
1998 on a bin Laden camp in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan
(Washington originally claimed the plant was making chemical weapons but has
quietly backed off the charge). They believe Western powers tolerated for too
long--from 1992 until the NATO bombings in 1995--the ethnic cleansing by
Christian Serbs of Bosnian Muslims and the later killings by Serbs of ethnic
Albanian Muslims in Kosovo. Another grievance is the fact that the U.S. has done
little to stop Russia's savage war against separatist Muslims in Chechnya because
it considers the conflict an internal matter for Moscow. To Americans, all these
matters are proof that it is a messy world out there. To many Muslims, it looks
like a conspiracy against their fellow believers.

Underlying all these laments is a deep resentment that the Arab world is not the
geopolitical player it feels entitled to be. The wound is aggravated by a historical
memory of grandeur, of Islam's expansion from Arabia in the 7th century to the
conquest of the Levant, northern Africa and much of Europe, culminating in a
final rebuff at the gates of Vienna 10 centuries later. The question many Arabs
ask the U.S. and the West in general, says Professor Jean Leca of the Institute of
Political Science in Paris, is, "Why are you leaning so heavily on us when we
already had a civilization while you were still living in caves?"

The brutality of Christendom's efforts to conquer the Holy Land from the
Muslims in the Crusades of the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries is not forgotten in
the Middle East (making President Bush's early use of the word crusade to
describe America's antiterror effort an unfortunate choice). An even greater sore is
the sense that, in the centuries since, so much dignity has been lost, and to an
inferior people. In Islamic belief, Muhammad is God's last prophet; he built upon
the revelations of Moses and Jesus to propound a superior, perfect faith. But the
world that faith created was broken apart: after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire
in World War I, the colonial powers of France and Britain carved the Middle East
into arbitrarily drawn mandates and states governed by handpicked local leaders.
"Many Arabs and Muslims feel they had 10 centuries of great cultural
achievement that ended with European colonialism," says John Esposito, director
of the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University.
"Now they feel impotent. The West, they feel, looks at them as backward and is
only interested in their oil. Their sense of self-worth and identity is wounded."

Colonialism and the advance of Western modernity have nurtured the modern
version of Islamic fundamentalism: if Islam is perfect and its kingdom is in
retreat, it must be that its practitioners have strayed from the fundamentals of the
faith. This notion gained increasing currency after 1979, when a popular uprising
overthrew the corrupt, Westernizing, U.S.-backed Shah of Iran and paved the way
for the Ayatullah Khomeini to launch an Islamic revolution in Iran and beyond.
Khomeini called Muslims to violence to conquer "the land of the infidel."

It's a powerful message to many Arabs who otherwise see a future bereft of pride.
"Islam Is the Solution" is the slogan of the Islamic movement, and to many it
seems a better bet than the Arab nationalism that has brought them poverty,
corrupt governments or both. Even if the U.S. succeeds in routing bin Laden and
his network, the message will continue to resonate, especially given new
resentments kicked up by any U.S. military action.

On the other hand, it is the triumphalist religious convictions of bin Laden that
make him and his followers so dangerous. "This is not violence in the service of
some practical program," says Steven Simon, a former member of the National
Security Council who is writing a book on religiously inspired terrorism. "It is
killing infidels in the service of Allah. To a secular person, it's crazy. How can
that be an end in itself? The facts speak for themselves: there is one objective
here, to kill an enormous number of people and humiliate the Satanic power.
There is no claim of responsibility because there is only one audience, and that is
God." With a God they perceive to be admiringly urging them on, bin Laden's
associates have no self-restraint. They are limited only by their capabilities, which
the U.S. has now decided it has no choice but to destroy.

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,560772,00.html

Devastating attacks on bases controlled by Osama bin Laden are set to be launched in the next 48 hours as part of a tightly focused military operation approved by US President George Bush and backed by Britain, multiple press reports will claim on Sunday... Developing...
PAPERS: US AND BRITAIN TO STRIKE TERROR CAMPS 'WITHIN DAYS'
RUSSIAN TANKS TARGET TALIBAN: Russian tanks are poised tonight to roll into Afghanistan as President Bush warned that war would be waged 'wherever terrorists hide, run or plan'...
WE'LL BOMB POPPY FIELDS: Poppy fields which supply the Taliban's multi-billion-pound drugs trade are to be a key target of military strikes in Afghanistan, according to a Sunday report...
Afghan rebels have promised to begin an all-out war against the Taliban within two days - with the support of American air strikes, the SUNDAY MAIL in England will report...

skeeeveedan wrote: "Then what has this guest book become? These days there is so little posted here about music (which is why I come here to read and post) that the entertainment value or escapist fun that attracted me here in the first place has become very sparce."

1. don't come to the GB to write about music anymore. 90% of the slop you write is self-hyping your Dan cover band anyway. it's gotten really really old and quite annoying.

2. escapist fun??! Escapist fun????! you come here for that?? get a friggin life buddie

3. the entertainment value you mention comes from those stupid posts of yours, analyzing the GB and wearing your heart on your sleeve which you do quite well around here.

got it?

:0)

Second was Me and Mrs. Jones.

Horse With No Name is the first single I ever bought.

I hope that this has not been mentioned already...

I was pulling out some old CDs and found "History"...a greatest hits album rom America. The first two tracks came and went...Hourse With No Name and I Need You. (Remember when "Horse With No Name" came out...many of us thought that it was Niel Young)

Anyway..."Sandman" was the third track. With all that has been going on nationally, I couldn't help relating it to the September 11th events.

SANDMAN

AinÕt it foggy outside
All the planes have been grounded
AinÕt the fire inside?
LetÕs all go stand around it

Funny IÕve been there
And youÕve been here
We ainÕt had no time to drink that beer

ÔCause I understand
YouÕve been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky
Like an eagle in the eye of a
Hurricane thatÕs abandoned

AinÕt the years gone by fast
I suppose you have missed them
Oh, I almost forgot to ask
Did you hear of my enlistment?

I understand
YouÕve been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky
Like an eagle in the eye of a
Hurricane thatÕs abandoned

All righty now. What I was trying to say is that this pussification is inevitable. No act of will will curtail it. In fact, precisely the whole effortfulness of effort will accelerate it -- effort being what it is these days (I mean since Socrates at least).

Reasonableness has always only been fascistic. The rhetoric of equality is so strident (read fanatic) exactly because we have precious few actual MECHANISMS FOR publically acknowledging and diffusing status differences (no royalty, no castes, heck, barely even a Kennedy anymore). Quite the contrary: Everything is geared for individual "expression" (read status) to flourish. Everything we do here is geared to enhance the reality of competition, even as the gestures toward egalitarianism proliferate. Pussification is a SYMPTOM, not a result.

The Swedes and Japanese, for example, two nations renowned for their "conformity," make funny jokes about themselves as being conformist. Our jokes about conformity aren't so funny: Lester was amusing in American Beauty, but he's also dead -- ugly dead.

Reason -- ultimately, nothing but a testosterone-fleecing virus -- promotes security through appeal, whether tacit or explicit, to principles like the Law of the Excluded Middle and the Golden Rule. But in promoting "security" it does not eradicate irrationality -- the INcommensurable -- the vaunted, "difference" in brief ;-)

Those kids may not be playing tag anytime soon, but rest assured (or NOT!) that a monstous videogame version will be out tomorrow -- as soon as we can get "Twin Tower Rubble Ringolevio" off the shelves. Then next Christmas (ha!) it will be, "How the Grinch Psychologically Abused Rudolph."

Whether men are men, or women are men, until there are only gods, there will always be men -- oh and Super Duper (yes, dupe-her) Mario too.

I forgot to mention - Fred Jones worked for a newspaper - I thought of his un-named postion as perhaps an illustrator or cartoonist...

Dr. Mu, that was beautiful.

Was it in the BURP, or was the BURP someone else? I kinda liked the idea of that BURP being the intro to the tag story. Which btw is a real nice one. Be sure to copy and paste before it gets lost in the maze of mysterious post vanishing acts!

really nice *fill*

Blaise: That is the only new Dan news lately. Sad and understandable. Patience...

Send in Larry Carlton and the Special Forces...

In the Meantine...

Buy Ben Folds Rockin' the Suburbs. After 5 listens it just keeps getting better and better. A crystalline dichotomy between the rest of the album and the title track: "This is your brain. This is your brain on N'Sync." The title track is a wicked and acerbic and subversive slam, a Spinal Tap tradition (where Ben Folds integrates the worst of modern pop cleverly) for the Badkstreet Boys of the World, with left-handed jabs at 80s pop icons told from the perspective of the young, flawed, no-talent protagonist. Funny as hell. If the title track lays out the bleak state of today's pop, the rest of this opus demonstrates what pop CAN be if one has real talent and gives a rat's ass about the music. Ironically, Ben Folds released the title track as the first single - he's a sick pup. The song is being misunderstood, although in a much different way, as was Randy Newman's Short People 13 years ago.

Ben Folds plays all instruments (piano, various keyboards/synth, drums, percussion, bass, guitar, strings) with the exception of the cello on Fred Jones, Part 2 and extra guitar on the title track. Damn, he's tight for a one-man band - tighter than BB5. in part, he's careful not to stretch himself too far on the drums, laying down some good grooves and really nice when appropriate. His style as always incorporated rock, jazz, ragtime, classical with bursts of Joe Jackson or Billy Joel or Todd Rundgren sticking out, but his first solo album takes a more integrated and cohesive approach - now people will compare future artists to Ben Folds. The album is not as daring as Reihold Meissner, but more cohesive - though at times it sounds like a more polished version of the first 2 BB5 albums.

As for Mr. Folds songwriting it continues to grow and develop to the point where most of the songs now show the genius first demonstrated on Boxing and My Philosophy from the first album. Potential fulfilled.

The story lines as well as the melodies are interesting and quirky, dark scenes under soaring melodies. Loss and downhiill slide of human relationships and their most valuable possessions: their minds. The tunes, lyrics, and arrangements fit together to create 11 paintings of beauty and one track of whack. For example, the story the lyrics stand is revealed better when in the context of the performances than on the lyric shhet. Nice little arrangment touches thoughout as well. It's a very human album where love and hate and confusion intermingle (ex. Still Fighting It).

The album starts off strong with the hook filled Annie Waits, Zak and Sara and Still Fighting It followed by the solid power pop of Gone. But the heart of the album is it's strenght: introspective, sad, ironic, and pure genius:

Fred Jones Part 2 - the sad unceremonius departure of a loyal employee. The lyrics are a bit open as throughout the album - but I think of a bitter over-the-hill illustrator or animator replaced by young geeks drawing on computers.

Ascent of Stan - 60s revolutionary turned CEO

Losing Lisa - Ben's version of Cringemaker

Carrying Cathy - the sad story about lost soul and those who are torn between guilt and frustration

Not the Same - another super power pop tune

Rockin' the Suburbs - see above

Then more pure genius:

Fired - funny and pure pop heaven

The Luckiest - an absolutely beautiful and poignant love song. This accomplishment from an anrtistic standpoint may be the most difficult to appreciate: a love song that's gorgeous, but not maudlin... and Not your Lionel Ritchie.

No Ben, anyone who buys this one and understands is the luckiest...

I agree with St. Al, as someone who only visits the GB on weekends, when I visit the otterhound and folks, reading it like that is pretty confusing.
The widow of an old friend of mine was best pals with Fiona Apple's mom and I remember her telling me a few years ago that FA hated the music business and wanted to quit as soon as possible. I've never heard her music, but I saw a picture of her once and as steviedan said, she's got that emaciated, depressed, drugged look down pretty well and a part of my anatomy found it pretty attractive.
Hearing the rejected solos of "Peg" is just too tempting and I've gotta get my hands on MOA. It still strikes me as pretty cheesy to feature them playing versions of the songs from the LP in 1999 on what is supposed to be a documentary on the Making of Aja, though.
I finally tracked down the effeminate, Puerto Rican, Jehovah's Witness, high school student DF vocal clone, and marched him over to the piano where I checked his range against DF's on Babylon Sissies.
Sure enough, the EPRJWDFVC could hit every damn note, but with a little too much vibrato.
He asked me (referring to BS)" Is this operetta Mr.____?
"Er, no, not quite Chris."
Is this a religious song Mr. ____?"
Er, no, not really Chris."
Well, what type of song is it Mr.___?
"I guess you could call it fusion Chris, kinda like a blend betwixt jazz and rock and/or roll."
"Oh (a little dejectedly)."
My next mission is to track down the white people-hating African-American girl gospel singer for the chorus.
I may have this big band play it on my weekly big band gig in Brooklyn, but I don't think it would work that well for the ancient grandchick singer with the band, so I may write it up for altissimo range trombone if I find the time.

I reckon that duck hunters are the only hope for what used to be this country. First, we'll catch all the school principal-ladies who want to neuter boy kids, and we'll make'm disk-shaped. Maybe we can squash them into a special skeet-mold and fill in the empty parts with quick-hardening epoxy. Technology can do wonders these days.
Then we'll take the duck hunters to a really forlorn swamp, and put the principal ladies into a great gynormous skeet-chucker, and yell, "Pul-l-l-llllllll!

Ker-blaaam!

Then we'll put piranha in the swamp to eat what's left.

It's getting worse. I read in The Capital of Annapolis, Maryland, home of the Naval Academy, that the principaless of West Annapolis Elementary has banned tag on the playground. Yep, tag: You're it. It's for safety. Tag is dangerous. She is going to Protect Our Children.

The principaless in question, Joan Brisco, described the horror of tag.

"They would start up, and inevitably it got too rough. The reason we stopped tag was because we didn't want them getting hurt."

Well, I guess. I can imagine that the emergency rooms of Annapolis have done land-office trade in broken and bleeding children, victims of tag. Probably the halls rattle with the tippy-tap of peg legs. No doubt the children's studies suffer because of missing limbs. That's how tag usually is. When I played tag as a kid, we always had the shock-trauma unit on full alert.

If fact, tag is a leading cause of death in children, ranking just behind meteor strikes.

"Rough" means boys.

Now, why do these ladies have their innards in an uproar over tag? Because they are ladies. Usually when I see that some terrible danger has been ended, as for example dodgeball, or a kid of six has been expelled for drawing a picture of a soldier, a teacheress will be behind it. Occasionally it's a New Age man, apparently a transsexual who got stuck in mid passage.

We have feminized the schools. Worse, the teachers don't much like boys.

There is a totalitarian strain in the female psyche. It isn't evil, at least not in intention. Quite the oppposite -- in intention. Women as a sex want to impose security, stability, and conventionality, at all costs, on everything. They want a tyranny of the safe and comfortable.

For which there is a good reason. Historically, mothers have been women. Their instincts are to keep children alive, which is difficult, especially with boys. Boys favor enthusiasm over judgement. Before they are big enough, they want to climb things, crawl into things, and play with things that bite.

They don't understand about coral snakes. Mommy does. A boy of seven is quite sure it's a good idea to climb a utility pole and hang by his toes from the high-tension lines. His mother is sure it isn't. That's why he survives to manhood.

The trick to civilization is channeling male horsepower into useful directions. Women are good at this. When a man wants to put a city to the sword, or throw his boss from a high roof, she restrains him. "Why don't we nuke China next week, honey? Or you could fiddle with the whazzamajig on your Harley instead."

When the female drive for security ceases to be a useful brake on male energy, and becomes instead the dominant principle of existence, the effect is stifling. That is what we have. A guy principal, unless gelded, will let girls be girls and boys be boys. A gal principal wants them both to be girls. A man will not try to force girls to play football. A woman will try to force boys to stop playing it.

Because what is instinctive seems reasonable, few women have the foggiest idea what makes men tick. (Or, God knows, vice versa.) Some do. Some women scuba dive, jump out of airplanes, shoot competitively. The average teacheress doesn't. She can't imagine why boys like roughhousing, or hard-played basketball, or guns. When she says tag is too rough, she means that it is too rough for her.

And with an intolerance peculiar to the sex, she believes that anything she can't understand must be reformed. I am reminded of that flotsam of wisdom, worn now by much passage over the Internet: When a man marries, he believes that the woman won't change, and she does; she believes that he will change, and he doesn't.

However, says the story, the school will allow tag in PE, "if their teacher chooses to lead a group game." Here is another facet of our rewireour children: a distaste for things individual.

Now, liberals and conservatives usually amount to twin halves of a national lobotomy, each cleaving passionately to its chosen lunacies, but there are real differences between the two. The left loves groups. Note that it's easy to get the political left to hold a demonstration, for anything at all, and difficult to get conservatives to demonstrate, for anything at all.

So tag is all right in a group, where it can be supervised, and numbingly safe, and controlled, and impart Appropriate Values. Here is what is really wanted: Control, control, control. Don't let kids play whatever the hell they want to, and be kids. No. We must have a group activity. Don't let them play Cowboys and Indians. We must control how they think about gender and aboriginals. No dodgeball: It's competitive, and we must control such an antisocial drive. Forget tag: We must controls such violence. The schools now seem to be branch offices of North Korea.

And finally the story mentions the school's "no-touching" policy, and the county's rules on sexual harassment. In grade school. Always it is there: The twisted prissy Puritanism, obsessed by the fear of sex, yet determined to discover salaciousness everywhere. I think of the spinster afraid that there might be a man hiding under her bed, and equally afraid that there might not be. A profound anxiety underlies the fear of almost everything: sex, childhood games, winning and losing, physical contact, everything.

How can one not feel utter contempt for these frightened, hostile parsnips of mediocrity?

There is some solace in that boys are not required to wear training bras. Wait a few weeks. But you'll have to excuse me now. I'm working on a skeet mold.

*BURP!*

Sad to read about Roger Nichols and his sentiments regarding work and the situation in NY. good for you, Bad_Sneakers to shout out in an uplifting way :-) there are all kinds of barricades to take, thoughts to ponder and moments to endure and survive. what's most important in life, what's to cherish and what's to hold on to?

Mission of Awareness #1
you anons are stupendous in your assessment of things.
i am really looking forward to be meeting you in chat soon.
i can hardly wait. and should some of you be impatient too, here's my e-dress so you won't have to pollute this Steely Dan Guest Book any further. perhaps we can discuss whether i am pseudo-pacifist or not, we can even talk about Faeces & friends, whatever you like! but i must warn you, i am not so experienced in badmouthing people, talk behind their backs and be a coward.
subordinate females, no wonder you fear a feminist basher, you're all virgins to the essence of feminism aren't you?
and what about the male anons, spouting junk into the lukewarm lap of this cyberwomb de l'aspersion ...
am i serious? no ofcourse not. the funny part is YOU are for REAL, your posts are no figments of imagination. maybe it should be scary or sad even. just THINK about what it is you do. all that negative energy ...

strange photographs and jokes are circling the internet, i have no idea where to put a fine line if there is one.

apparently 5 americans (2 afghans with american nationalities) have been arrested ... a special task force ... this might be just what is needed to tip the fragile scale over and i really really hope it won't.

Banyan Tree All In Favor For Spiritual Nature Bow,
G.

Mark wrote: Stevee... What do you think of Carlton's solo album "Sleepwalk"?? -- I haven't heard it. I will check it out.

Now for a completely different subject --

I have been reading what has been posted here since Sept. 11, and had the displeasure of reading what has been lost off of the guest book.

I have noticed a pattern that is such manipulative game playing that so many decent-minded folks have fallen prey to:

A post is presented here. An anony-mouse disagrees with or is bored with the post. He/she/it submits a flaming post. Then the game begins. Either the original poster or someone taking that person's side posts to defend the original post. The anon-emouse continues to hurl molotov-posts and this continues for days.

Then when cooler heads prevail, the original poster or someone taking that person's side apologizes or recants in the hope that peace and courteousness might return to the guest book.

Clearly the anony-moose(s) is(are) in control. This is their game, this is their goal, and those of us who continue to respond to their compost posts are simply allowing their game to continue.

I don't know why it took me so long to see this fact.

This morning, I saw Blaise's post about how everything that could possibly have been discussed regarding Steely Dan has already been posted here (something, by the way I disagree with - courteously) and then some anon(ignora)mous posted a scud-post demanding that Blaise stop posting.

So I thought to myself ... now wait a moment ... if Blaise and all of the folks who want to post about Steely Dan stop placing posts here, this will leave behind only those who like to try to impress everyone with their political opinions and the annoyingly long pastes of articles about religion, or the bombings or whatever. It also leaves behind those who are anoneemeese flamers.

Then what has this guest book become? These days there is so little posted here about music (which is why I come here to read and post) that the entertainment value or escapist fun that attracted me here in the first place has become very sparce.

When I first started posting here last March or April (I can't remember) people sent me private e-mails advising me to ignore the nasty posterchildren and just post what I wanted. I atracted negative attention because I chose a handle so close to one of the guest book veterans, Steviedan, whom I asked for and received permission to continue with my chosen handle.

There was more balance then. Now this place is completely out of whack. I now perceive these anonyflamers as spoiled attention-junky babies who basically need to have a "time-out" administered by their Mommies and Daddies. A good spanking and some mouths washed out with soap would also be prescribed.

Instead the good folks here tolerate these child-ish anonyfreaks and try to talk sense to them. Here's my advice:

Treat them like the cranky 2-year-olds that they behave like. Yank them off the floor, insert a baby bottle of warmed milk in their mouths, put them in their cribs, zip up and lock the crib canopy so that they cannot get out, turn down the baby monitor, ...

and get back to your normal lives.

Your faithful Steveedan

a new found friend from yesterday at the old Anderson Mill. Plenty of her brothers and sisters there along with the Mama but she was the only one that wasn't shy.

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Jim&Kitty4.jpg

it's a beautiful weekend here in the south land. purrfect weather!

Is there a reason why whoever is reposting the lost passages of the GB could not e-mail them directly to me? Reposting them directly to the GB renders it almost unreadable.

Yes, go chat and stay there. It becomes you.

chat anyone?????

Who the fuck is Face anyway? and why should we care?

And your point is?

Face never said anything directly to Gina, only made a reference to something they were told Gina did and wanted to check it out for themselves. Gina showed the flipside to that pseudo-pacifist self she touts by making a snide personal attack on Face, or did you choose to ignore that? Or are you too enamoured of Gina to see her gross shortcomings?

Mirror, mirror...

check out that image staring back at you, does it have two faces?

Hey Liverlips- Since their is nothing left to talk about concerning Steely Dan why don't you just get the fuck out of here! Oh, and take Gina with you!

Just a short message for Rodger Nicholls

We, being studio types here in Scotland, look to you for inspiration every day - you have helped shape all the recordings I have done for the last 20 years - I realise this is a tragic time for the people of NYC but the spirit of America will prevail - Stay strong man and draw on the support of all your colleagues round the world who need your important work to continue

Kind regards - Bad S

More fresh SD news from last Thursday:

"I am in NY now working.
I took 2 weeks off and worked in Woodstock.

It is very sad here and hard to work. At night leaving the studio you can look down toward the south and see the glow and the smoke. When the breeze is blowing from the south, the city fills with the smell of the smoke still rising from the rubble.

It is hard to do anything. I will be going home next week, and we are going to take off October."

Roger

http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002658.html

There is even a Lost & Found Tree now?

Thank you Lars, it happens so there was talk about the Fireman in the Blue Book. John Beasley will be in my neighbourhood next month, so i'll just ask some Q's then myself me thinks. Children's music, eh? They're an appreciative audience to begin with, unlike whining adults who might get ms Barbra Streisand to add a new verse to her "People"? And George Wadenius has been mentioned many times already in a variety of conversations about all sorts.
They sure travel wide circles. Will check it out.

Oh well Blaise, i guess you could be right about everything being chewed over & over already. Still, don't we suffer memory lapses and these volatile equations tempting the vituperative inclined to pollute and debilitate? Some buy new clothes and new shoes, i borrow and develop attachment to new words :-)
Ain't life also about cycles, even Joni sings of re-occurring dreams. Listening to Bob Dylan NOW is not the same as it was like years ago. There's often something new to be discovered, our minds and ways of perception change, don't they?
I miss Robin, RubyBaby, Aja, Mr. LaPage, Altamira and numerous others here who had nice things to say and add, like views on life in general or some music worth while listening or an apt mind to debate for others to sit back, lurk and enjoy!

Gary Katz was involved with a group called Groove Collective a few years back, i was at a friend who had some CD's. And it's also interesting to learn about Roger Nichols and the engineering, that's half if not 75% of the ultimate result.

Me the last to rule against non-Dan-topics. But if people have musical tastes in common, there's often a lot more and as St.Al pointed out way way back, also a lot of differences interesting to learn about. But NOT the abusive language and anything related. The coffee-grinder moulding nail-polishers showing off fake manners & plate-golden teeth and without any real interest in tangentially Dannered items and topics. If even so in the spirit of their chords, eloquently moving transgressive & nonviolent under the vulcano brewing sidelines and unexpected cycles of re-occurring events.

Banyan Trees There's Only Decaf But No GB Decay Bow,
G.

Oh and KD was here, dressed up in Queen lyrics. Nice touch.

SD news:

The 17th Annual Technical Excellence & Creativity Awards
will be held on December 1, 2001, at the New York Marriott Marquis hotel.

Ok, thanks.

Duncan - If you have the archives from the 14th to the 18th, attach it to an EMAIL to StAl. I'm sure he'll be glad.

stevie - You must have written something you shouldn't have waaaaaaay down there. Yes you did. Yes you did.

People, don't blame Clas for the passions he draws out of others. Not his fault if he has obsessive-compulsive followers. And what is there to talk about the Dan that's not already in the archives? Challenging question, huh? We must have covered every song through every angle possible, thoroughly screened every player that came along over the years and expressed every theory on future SD doings. There is no news to speak of and if there was it would likely get priority. The Blue Book appears to present new Dan threads but a veteran knows better. These things were talked about here before for the most part.
And there's nothing wrong with treating a non-Dan topic, especially if it's of the magnitude of the 11th's events.
The thing I don't like myself and it's personal, is the reproduction of lenghty articles in their integrity when they could be simply linked and dressed up with original comments.
But to each his/her own, you know.

Here's my archival contribution from memory. It's been awhile now but it still applies... go figure.

bin Laden to the tune of Chain Lightning:

Towers burned down in thunderous blast
Get with it, we'll bake his ass
Don't bother to understand
Don't question our little plan
Be part of the brotherhood
We'll get bin Laden
And feel soooooo good

Bush backers and Tony Blair
All of NATO, as if you cared
Through the sea and from the air
No trouble, we'll find his lair
We're bombing his neighborhood
We'll hit bin Laden
It's understood

timg

Thanks for your effort. At least it's a partial record of the missing material.

FUCK FACE: Nice way to fuck with Steely Dan's server bills (where ally this cut and paste bullshit ends up).

Or, a "fun" (I'm hoping it's fun to you, you schmuck) to take St. Al away from his family for a few hours to clean up the mess you just made.

I have
fri 14th 00:25:46 to
tues 18th 22:45

Then
wed26th 14:24:58 to
friday 28th ''God Testing Testing''

Duncan

TERRORISTS STRIKE GUESTBOOK !!!!

they checked in on a hostile post with allah and they didn't check out, totally obliterating a section. people, we must unite with st al to restore the gb. i didn't even post much during that time but there was some er... historic commentary by others that's worth fighting for ! (?) (!) (?)

how many banyan trees must fall ? it's up to US (nOT u.s.). it's an incidente INTERNATIONALE.

hey if i were you, let george, i'd listen to fiona and make up my own damn mind. when i first heard her album (and i heard it alot under the auspices of a young employee who mainly wanted to crush her i think) i thought it was INTERESTING, texturally speaking. but upon seeing a couple of tv performances... well WHOA ! even crush boy couldn't pass that off to "bad monitors" and embraced her inherent sucktitude, although he still luvs her eyes. ahhhhhhh. yes, blaise those doe eyes. but hey b, that's legit. it helps... she did have a skilled vibist wincing with her there and she IS dark...

oh come on clas, you know how every muddy waters tune is gonna end, too. the soul:complexity ratio is variable for me but one MUST compensate for lack of the other. of course as lars astutely illuminates, sometimes we get both. his case in point ? MIKE STERN of COURSE ! however lars, you are about a week behind on this. due to...

the missing files, seized by evil forces seeking to prevent mike stern from appearing on the next sd tour. again, this time there were no passenger jets. i believe in my heart of hearts that they came in hyjacked CARS !

dammit, i did it again ! we may need to filter "that word" for our protection !

I'm very sad all the posts between 9/13 and 9/26 have been erased. I sent a message to the Dandom Digest, hoping I might find someone who visited sometime on or around the 9/26 and not since. Hopefully someone can cough up a cached version of the page. This would also apply to any of you reading this, who might have a second computer were a cached version might exsist...As I said in the message to the digest, a T-Shirt is in it for any/all who help.

On a MUCH lighter note (and music related). Steve Shapiro, vibe player on Two Against Nature, has a new CD out and it is FANTASTIC. I'm listening to it right now. May I suggest you run right over to his website and purchase a copy. I'm pretty well convinced anyone who likes Steely Dan and Modern Jazz will appreciate the music.

http://www.xylophobia.com

StAl

ranking by importance on the GB and in the world

politics-60%

Steely Dan/Music-30%

other-9.8%

Clas-.02%

rogue elephant

Clas - 55%

Politics - 30%

Steely Dan/music - 10%

other - 5%

Clas, love you or hate you, they can't stop talking about you. If you had an album out you'd be "bigger than Jesus".

rogue anon

Clas answer the question -- wasn't Palestine "illegally" taken from the Jews in the first place? I guess that was so long ago it doesn't count? Why did your people shelter Nazis and let them perpetrate the holocaust?

Face the face = pot calling the kettle black

'nuff said.

Excelsior!

Gina = hypocrite
'nough said...

...and now I've got to run out and return that live Fiona Apple box set I got steviedan for Christmas...

THE PEACE
ENCYCLOPEDIA

The War of Independence, 1948

QUESTION:
What was Israel's War of Independence? Independence from whom?
ANSWER:
On May 14, 1948, against all the odds, the modern state of Israel was reborn. At four o'clock that afternoon the members of the provisional national council, led by David Ben-Gurion, met in the Tel Aviv Art Museum. Ben-Gurion rose and read the following proclamation to the assembled guests:

The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here there spiritual, religious and national identity was formed. Here they achieved independence and created a culture of national and universal significance. Here they wrote and gave the Bible to the world.

Exiled from Palestine, the Jewish people remained, faithful to it in all countries of their dispersion, never ceasing to pray and hope for their return and the restoration of their national freedom. . .

Accordingly we, the members of the National Council, representing the Jewish people in Palestine and the Zionist movement of the world, met together in solemn assemble today, the day of the termination of the British Mandate of Palestine, by virtue of the natural and historic right of the Jewish people and the Resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations, hereby proclaim the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine, to be called ISRAEL . . .

With trust in Almighty God, we set out hand to this declaration, at this session of the Provisional State Council, in the city of Tel Aviv, on this Sabbath eve, the fifth year of Iyar, 5708, the fourteenth day of May, 1948.

The key to this question is reflected In the behavior Of the British In 1947. When, in that year, the Arabs rejected the partition of Palestine and refused to set up the projected Arab state, the British administration, then still governing Palestine under the Mandate, refused to carry out the recommendations of the United Nations to implement the partition plan. The British government made it plain that it would do all in its power to prevent the birth of the Jewish state. Britain announced that she would not -- and indeed, she did not -- carry out the orderly transfer of any functions to the Jewish authorities in the Interim before the end of the Mandate on May 15, 1948. Everything was left In a state of disorder. This was Britain's first contribution to the burden of the nascent state.

When, immediately after the United Nations Assembly decision, the Palestine Arabs launched their preliminary onslaught on the Jewish community, the Britlsh Army gave them considerable cover and aid. It obstructed Jewish defense on the ground; it blocked the movement of Jewish reinforcements and supplies to outlying settlements; it opened the land frontiers for the entry of Arab soldiers from the neighboring Arab states; it maintained a blockade in the Mediterranean and sealed the coast and ports through which alone the outnumbered Jews could expect reinforcements; it handed over arms dumps to the Arabs. When Jaffa was on the point of falling to a Jewish counterattack, it sent in forces from Malta to bomb and shell the Jewish force. Meanwhile, it continued to supply the Arab states preparing to invade across the borders with all the they asked for and made no secret of it.

- Samuel Katz, Battleground: Fact and fantasy in Palestine

In 1948, after the UN voted to give Israel statehood, Jordan and 6 other Arab countries invaded the reborn Jewish homeland, despite the fact that those Arab states were not directly affected by Israel's rebirth. The stated purpose of this invasion was to "push the Jews into the sea", i.e. genocide. What Hitler didn't finish three years earlier, the Arabs would finish once and for all. This is not mere speculation; the Arabs of the former British Mandate of Palestine were led by a Nazi collaborator, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who was up for charges at Nuremberg before escaping in 1946. Entire books have been written on how al-Husseini actively supported Hitler's aim to exterminate the Jews in WWII.
The Jews were able to secure weapons from one country only: Czechoslovakia. And through one of the greatest miracles of modern times, and a testimony to the will to survive, tiny Israel was not only able to survive intact - she was also able to capture territory from which the Arab aggressors attacked; this is the penalty for waging war (and losing), and it always has been. Unfortunately, both Jordan and Egypt were able to expand their territories; Jordan captured what is now refered to as the "West Bank" (their original Jewish names are Judea and Samaria) including the Jewish eastern half of Jerusalem (now known as "Arab East Jerusalem"), and Egypt captured what is now known as the Gaza Strip - both countries murdered and expelled EVERY Jew who was living there at the time. During the 19 years that Jordan and Egypt occupied those territories (now know collectively as the "Occupied Territories"), neither country thought to create independent states for the remaining Arabs (now known collectively as the "Palestinians") residing in those territories. Instead, those regions were plundered and allowed to rot; Jewish graves were desecrated and the gravestones were used to pave roads and build latrines, the Jewish homes were given to Arabs and mezzuzahs in the doorposts were either ripped out or just painted over (evidence of such can be found even today in "Arab East Jerusalem").

Another Antisemitic reprocussion of Israel's rebirth was that most of the Arab Muslim countries of the Middle East expelled EVERY single Jew living there and confiscated all their assets. Most of these Jewish refugees went to Israel, and in just a few years doubled Israel's population. Incidentally, the number of Jewish refugees and their posessions greatly outnumbers any claims by Arab refugees of the 1948 war. The next great miracle was the speed in which the primarily Ashkenazi Jews of Israel absorbed an equal number of their Arabic-speaking bretheren into society. By comparison, displaced Arabs were forced into refugee camps by their Arab bretheren and most remained there throughout the 19 years of Arab occupation. And contrary to popular belief, there was not a policy of expulsion of Arabs from Israel; if so it was not very successful, as 14% (and climbing) of Israels citizens are Arabs.

QUESTION:
Weren't both sides responsible for that war?
ANSWER:
"We appeal ... to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the building-up of the state on the basis of full and equal citizenship and representation in all its ... institutions.
"We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and goodwill, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land."

- David Ben-Gurion in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, May 14, 1948

How did protracted warfare first arise between Israel and the Arabs?. Not even militant Arab leaders or anti-Zionist historians could conceivably accept the view that the 1948-49 conflict was a war of Jewish origin. On February 16, 1948, the UN Palestine Commission reported to the Security Council: "Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." The Arabs themselves were unambiguous in accepting responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini informed the Security Council on April 16, 1948: "The representatives of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight." As for the British commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, John Bagot Glubb, he remarked candidly: "Early in January, the first detachments of the Arab Liberation Army began to infiltrate into Palestine from Syria. Some came through Jordan and even through Amman....They were in reality to strike the first blow in the ruin of the Arabs of Palestine." Israel came into being on May 14, 1948. The five Arab armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq immediately invaded the new microstate. Their combined intention was expressed publicly by Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
- Louis Rene Beres
Professor of International Law
Department of Political Science
Purdue University

Damascus radio called on all Arabs to "undertake the liberation battle that will tear the hearts from the bodies of the hatefull jews and trample them in the dust" - quoted in TIME, June 2, p. 20

"the surviving Jews would be helped to return to their native countries, but my estimation is that none will survive"
- Ahmed Shuqeiri (later to be PLO chief) quoted in Churchill and Churchill, p. 52

"We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought... Whoever lived during this period in Damascus would appreciate the inclination of the Arab people to Nazism, for Nazism was the power which could serve as its champion, and who is defeated will by nature love the victor".
- Sami al Jundi, leader of Syrian Baath party, "Al Baath" Beirut, 1961. From B. Lewis, "Semites and Anti-Semites" pp.147-148.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacare which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacares and the crusades"
Arab Leugue Secretary General Azam Pasha, May 15, 1948 (quoted in "New Dimensions" Jan. '91).

anon de plume- nice try, asshole. but i used that handle several times already and with considerably more finesse. see archives.

'Fiona's songwriting might need some ripening a little'

Nice one blaise!

euro chat 7.00gmt sunday's
Let's see who make that
db

i'm here man
db

I always smile. why do anything else
1/2 second with dan and thats it for me.

No gas here apart from methane.

Newcastle brown ale last night (beer)
Duncan

StAl, don't tell me 13 days worth of my timeless posts went down the drain like that. Darn. Oh well...

Good thing is, you did not lose the 11th, an historical day, if there was one lately.
And jj, my canajun friend, you will see that I was smiling that very morning, shooting the shit as usual with Clas, my morning drive co-host (ha!) and virtual pal, just before it all went down. Everyone stopped smiling right there and then and some have trouble smiling since. It all depends on your interpretation of the event, I guess. You mean, if I start smiling again, everything will be alright? oh, that's novel... you sure you're Canadian?

duncan - You are alright! Reason to smile. No bacterial attack on the UK yet.

God - Like he said, drink your big Black Cow and you know...
Bwa - I'm no connaisseur of cock myself but I know women who obviously are and very good friends of mine.
Dan question o' the day: Did they write anything about the 11th?

Hmm... it's all a matter of opinion at this point but knowing their style a little, I would guess they'd rather let it all sink in, maybe? Schwinn pulled it off though. He wrote a song right away and it didn't sound too corny. I think that's the danger, sounding passe fast or a little too emotional. You never know...

Btw, mine is not a guestbook, it's a public folder. You see... we have this little Internet group set up to study Sade in the original text and every fifteen minutes or so, we ask each other if we're still stoned. That's all.

98% of people don't have a fucking clue what your on about.

i guess it's a private joke between you & your other self.. please keep it that way.

You're wasting my life

STOP IT

Is Liverlips a connoisseur of cock?

LOL

all this and you run a b&b too? gosh, you must REALLY be something!

Gina - in search for Ted Baker there«s an interesting thread ; Baker, John Beasley & Georg Wadenius all made children's songs on cd. Baker "First Favorites"(something), Beasley "Mose the Fireman" & Wadenius "God‡ God‡". Does that say something about where the boys have their ears nowadays in musicland? I mean, they stated that they don't follow the contemporary scene that good anymore (if ever since late 50ies).

You asked about Herington earlier - he plays on the new one by Mike Stern, "Voices" - very, very good.

L

I liked A.I. a lot am I bad...

Trust in the common sense is necessary only to the extent control is an issue.

As long as we indulge the common sense of the term "trust", "control" and our concern with it will only escalate like some OUT-of-control, yet predictable "prisoner's dilemma." The only "out" is to overturn the "common sense" of it. This "out" is no escape from "control" but, if you like, an active deconstruction, in the technical sense, of it.

You ACT AS IF you don't need control, and this will then serve as (psychologically) the greatest control -- IF inspiring trust (in the sense of people feeling secure becuase of you) is truly what you're about. But behold the result: they will have faith in something completely cynical, suspicious of them, guarded around them. Hence, as I said earlier, faith in something that at once is the source of their strength and yet at the same time ATTESTS TO their "strength" by being hyper-vigilent in the first place!

By the way, as those of you who follow my b&b know, in the revised parlance, this is love.

Never knew what kind of information was available at Blaise's website. No wonder you keep the url a secret.

http://www.geocities.com/mansonlamp/conOfcock/cofc.html

babies for the first few months, at least, in their life, don't blink when you slam the car door once you've put them in the car seat - it's an instinct they must somehow learn - i remembered feeling bad when my kids first blinked.....

Trust is also connected to surrender, giving up control in a situation or trying to control others, emotions and thoughts. Trust can be unconditional and if not, is something that will need some effort building.
Trust is like falling down and have faith the arms reaching out to catch you will really do just that.
Children aren't inclined to trust, they have to be encouraged to do so. But perhaps they do trust their own instincts and defense system before they trust someone else, besides themselves.
If I am to trust my own judgement or trust another individual, the answer will change if this question is asked in various stages of life.

lol... okay, okay hang on... am still researching the matter.

I hear they have decided to rename the Pentagon...

Its to be called the Horseshoe

guess i didn't cut the genetic mustard, eh?

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 12:19:08
Comments:

"You are talking about trust on a global level I'm assuming, because trust on a
personal level with a constant level of guardedness is not total trust."

But that was the point: You are assuming a definition that I'm not allowing. If all you mean by trust is "letting your guard down," then that's lazyness/escape. I'm saying "trust" which is ONLY that, is NOT trust.

What it means in the conventional case is, you start out with an basically anxious/insecure/fearful person, and they find someone/thing that soothes/comforts them. I counterpose the following: A person so unfearful/secure that they don't experience guardedness as a burden -- as a "required" response to a negative -- and thus can have a different rationale for BEING guarded, ie, as a positive initiative (ie, NOT a response) to a "neutral."

Name: Gina
some did utter that thought

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 12:04:15
Comments:

even before i posted it here, Duncan .. on the Blue Book, where most or many of Dannered ideas and thoughts are expressed these days.
as far as my memory serves me well, Donald did mention they had lots of material when recording 2VN to make another CD. i have no clue HOW exactly they record their songs. if it's just WB, DF and Roger Nichols and crew in the studio taping the initial ideas or if they have musicians there already .. according to what Nigey Lennon said having spoken to Cornelius Bumpus, he's present as in working with them? i also wonder about mr. Bumpus as much as mr. Ted Baker. Cornelius must have a tremendous sense for music and not just where it concerns his own role/instrument over the years .. being a Doobie.
~ being able to watch the Making of Aja and Plush will fill in some gaps i guess :-)
irony is obligatory in SD music .. i am most curious about the lyrics and topics on the new one and what links to human errors, strange behaviour we recognize with a grin or smirking hiccup.
there are ample other recording artists now working on new projects .. rumor has it RLJ and Joe Jackson have teamed up again ..
Fiona Apple, she looks real nice and her songs have sweet titles but the music is like tinged with rage, disorder, chaos, disbelieve? an angry young woman, but unlike Alanis M. i don't hear any link to what was described as syncopation used in jazz in a song featuring as single? but there will be an audience out there, tuned in to her views and colors.

since i found this GB i left a couple of times, like many have done before me but they never came back, i felt and feel close to this forum that has been a "friendly oasis" and an interesting place, i met nice people i've bonded with against odds maybe. i can even speak of friendship, yes!
there is some bickering going on and off, but that way of quarreling (spelling) is rather sweet and so part of this GB. . because of the format and WRITTEN words this is right up my alley and i admire both Steviedan and Stranger's strong feelings about not wanting this place to go down the drain.
well, it won't.

Banyan Tree Bow,
G.

Name: Read my lips


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 11:59:02
Comments:

Over-used phrase du jour: "Make no mistake."

Name: StAlphonzo
piece of shit test

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 11:53:36
Comments:

BAM!

Name: Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
NJ USA
Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 11:44:01
Comments:

I've been reading the many comments that various patrons of the guestbook have decided to post; many have been vicious, thoughtless, presumptuous, unfair, short-sighted, unintelligent, self-righteous, and worst of all, boring. The number of these types of posts to which I am referring appears to have increased incrementally and in tandem with the events of September 11th. To those posters and the petty, witless minds from which they came I say the following:

a. Grow up;
b. open your mind(s);
c. Drink your big black cow and get out of here.

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

Name: jeff johnson
middlewood,nova scotia,canada

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 08:25:28
Comments:

Duncan/Gina: Sept.11 influence on SD work? Never thought about it. Interesting. My quick reaction would be to say no influence, unless some over-used phrase develops as a result and becomes commonly used, and they stick it in their lyrics somewhere.

Blaise : Smile, brother. The world is what you make it. Don't be so bitter.

Name: The Quickening
Reality

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 08:08:43
Comments:

http://www.artbell.com/quickeng.html

Check out the various news items over time.....it's the Quickening....

http://www.artbell.com/quicknews.html

Name: Duncan
spooky

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 07:54:33
Comments:

Gina I had the same thought not long after the 11th

But I chose not to publish..

Name: Gina
"Gina- my god"

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 07:35:54
Comments:

mmm, no, you gotto do that all over again, sorry dear. could you add a little more drama, maybe even spit some when you speak?
did you watch the Berklee Tribute by the way? notice Walter Becker and Donald Fagen in the audience? would you consider it optional for more women vocals on a next tour or even CD?
how do you think the event of Tuesday 11th will influence their work or writing if they're still in the midst of it all?

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 07:32:00
Comments:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101011001-175979,00.html

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 07:12:10
Comments:

Angel: It's true. It might have been in a Rolling Stone interview. Donald gave reasons (which I can't remember right now) on why he like Fiona Apple. Believe it or not...it's true!

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 07:08:36
Comments:

Gina - my god, you babble. Who do you think you are? Such a snob you are. And, sorry to inform you, you're not as intelligent or enlightened as you seem to think. Just a waste of space here, there or in chat.

Name: Gina
did anyone say ...

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 06:54:37
Comments:

rash?

oh Face dear ‡nd company ofcourse, go easy on that testosteron for it should not be operational in your system. it might have a fall out when it encounters your fear for the feminist basher prowling these Banyan Trees, remember? this is a Steely Dan forum?
i had this neat idea to come into chat each day i log on, sort of a silent protest against the GB pollution happening here and causing so many real nice people to not frequent these yellow pages for information about quality music, new releases, concert reviews, funny and witty musings, Dannesque en Steely-ish posts. with all due respect i'm most certain of isn't mutual, you have no business here and even abuse the Steely Dan chatroom for your petty parlor or is it pity parlor ramblings you call casual conversation. by all means, i'd rather you stay in there than come here or lurk or post anonymous. see how your grapevine works, blablablabla, oh my god ... Gina said this and Gina wrote that and oh my god ... LOL
hello??? are you for real? are you serious?

inspired by military and nonviolent events and happenings the world we live in has shown us over the years, i am now convinced it is a great idea to plant my name or handle in that chatroom, each day i spark up this notebook. don't even assume i will really be in there to witness your cozy little get togethers. and don't worry, coverage of this experiment will be done in dutch and if you all cooperate nicely like guinea-pigs in a laboratory i might consider you're worth 15 minutes of european fame ...

Name: angel
TGIF

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 06:16:14
Comments:

Fiona Apple. I somehow can't see Donald saying he likes her music. Walter yes, Donald no. Does anyone have a link to that comment? Just wondering.

Kinky: Was that REALLY you, or is someone just running with the ball here.

Ole: Thanks for the message from Kinky. BTW, you have been a bit scarce so I did not get to wish you a Happy New Year. I do so now. Better late than never. :-)

Clas: Essa Pekka. Nice conductor.

Blaise: Leaked again, sigh....

Good weekend all....

Name: Lamar Alexander #2
musky, Victor Mature-like scent

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 05:34:23
Comments:

http://books.dreambook.com/blaisie/main.html

Name: let GEORGE do it
clasisaass

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 05:06:01
Comments:

clas- You're NOT funny.

kinky- Welcome back my friend!

Steveedan- Let's see, you hate Fiona and Donald loves her....who should I listen to?

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 05:03:18
Comments:

Nope, sorry. It's been taken down.

Name: FaceTheFace
justwondering

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 04:59:45
Comments:

Anyone got the link to Blaise's guestbook? I hear there is some trash there written by Gina (is that any surprise?) that I should read.

I realize that if you tell me you are going to have to kill me...

Name: Clas
@ work

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 04:37:05
Comments:

God - but Cincinnati, what about Cincinnati? Couldn't Letterman have Cincinnati?

C

Name: god


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 04:23:14
Comments:

This is GOD. I godda a solution to some of your nasty problems down there. Now listen up, first I hear you have this problem with Palestine and Israel. Now I know some of you think I told Abraham to give his inheritance to Issac and I might have. I also might have been drunk or something. Hey, Even God needs a day off every eon or so! So here's the plan tell the Jews to get out of there, are they meshugnah? Give up the land let the Palestinians and the Arabs have it, just divy it up real nice (and as fairly as Solomon would have) for them, don't let them fight over it. Get the U.N. in on this OK?

What? Oh, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's every other person's holy place. Give it up! The Holy Land is a theme park in Florida. Yes, that one's for the Christians but... so that's the new Christian Holy Land and they godda (laugh at that joke or you're goin' to hell...) stop charging admission. North Dakota is the new one for the Jews (hey, do you want cold winters or someone bombing the daylights out of you every week? I thought so). And for the Muslims, some place in Ethiopia (they need the commerce).

So where are all these Israelites supposed to move? North Dakota, this shouldn't be any big problem since they have approximately ten times the room and less then a tenth of Israel's population. And since Israel's commerce was mostly from service, rather than agriculture you shouldn't have too much of a problem with stepping on anyone's toes in the job market. Since all young men and women from Israel are used to joining up with the Israeli Army they can join up with the U.S. Armed Forces. The government in the U.S. is set up on roughly the same system as Israel's was, of course maybe you could buy North Dakota from the ND's they could all move or retire to other states like Florida (which will have to put a detour sign (to Louisiana) if many more get that idea, or start charging taxes).

But I'm getting off the subject here; I had something else to say something else about Florida, oh, yes...

Sorry about taking a nap the day of the elections, some of the angels thought it would be funny to make some of those poor old South Floridians vote for Buchanan instead of Gore. So it's their job cleaning up after Georgie boy W. should keep them busy for a long time. A long time indeed. That's why I need you to take care of the other on your own.

Love,
God

Name: god
*

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 04:21:10
Comments:

Testing, testing

Name:


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 03:54:52
Comments:

A kamikaze pilot's concrete leap of faith:

"Everybody hates death, fears death," according to a translation of highlights of the document obtained by The Washington Post. "But only those, the believers who know the life after death and the reward after death, would be the ones who will be seeking death."
[...]
It continues: "Purify your heart and clean it from all earthly matters. The time of fun and waste has gone. The time of judgment has arrived. Hence we need to utilize those few hours to ask God for forgiveness. You have to be convinced that those few hours that are left you in your life are very few. From there you will begin to live the happy life, the infinite paradise. Be optimistic. The prophet was always optimistic."
[...]
Keep a very open mind, keep a very open heart of what you are to face," the document says. "You will be entering paradise. You will be entering the happiest life, everlasting life."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37629-2001Sep27.html

Oh gawd...

Name: Balise
my poison's name, you know my brand

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 02:24:03
Comments:

stevie dan - I don't feel that strongly about her music. I think she does write more than words and she's more my kind of girl, giving out that "wounded deer" feel. I just can't help being touched. Most of you are into sheeps, I'm into deers. To each his/her own. This one, the little poison Apple, I'd consider talking to first, sure. The other I wish would be silenced, like shut up and dance over there or something.
But like a good Canadien, I'd attempt to tell both of them what's what, of course.

I'd rather give than receive the paddle. I'm so inclined. Be advised. The only reason I'd keep one on top is if she's doing all the dirty work. I'm a Leo, what can I say? pfft
Now never mind me, go ahead kinky man and keep tongueing Clas like that. I know I'm entertained...

Clas - You can have God bless the other part of Canada instead. They need it more badly and I really don't give two shits about it myself. For the record, they sang God Bless America at every hockey, baseball, football and basketball game for over a Century now. Obviously, it's the kind of blessing I could do without, know what I'm saying?
My apologies to Muslims, Jews and Christians for ridiculing their strong, world-driving beliefs in this bold manner but frankly, I couldn't care less ("oh my gawd, that idiot, he's goin' to burn in hell"). This freak in his Grotto over there calls to arms his likeness around the world against Judeo-Christians "crusaders" and little Bush boy, that stupid beast with seven heads, he just confirms it all by quoting the Bible at every turn. WTF? Can't wait 'til you people finally come to your senses. I got kids here, dammit! Hopefully, you'll have the balls to do it in my lifetime. Faith, that's so medieval-like in every way, both litterally and figuratively. It's a cop out from facing the insignificance of your being thrown into this world and you're inevitable disappearing from it. Get with the fucking program already.
I bet Donald and Walter avoid this place here simply 'cause it's crawling with backwards-thinking, god-fearing baffoons. My take.
Sadly, secularization of the mind is a long way away. Look it up, y'all.
Other than that, it's a quiet beautiful Fall morning out there. The air is fresh, still Anthrax-free.
Enjoy.

Name: steviedan
hey kd ?

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 01:02:40
Comments:

is that you ?

Name: anon
bitch!

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 00:53:05
Comments:

I'm the one, thee one, who trashed on Fio-ner this time last night...

I do believe Donald was honest in liking Fiona. I don't doubt it for a second, she pisses me off as much/if not more than anyone I know, but I'd bet an uncaring square like Don likes her. Her chords are cool, he reasons, and it heartens him to get to listen to something recent instead of DeBussy these days.

But, once again, Britney and her brethern aren't trying to play me for suckers. God bless them for telling the truth: being a white kid under the age of 22 is as good as it gets (I should know), 'might as well have some fun until the hammer drops.

Until then, Fiona can have her own shindig saying "maaaan" at her latest shitty poetry reading.

Name: Ooooops
sorry Blaise,

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 00:35:49
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and parts of Canada too.

Amen,

C

Name: Clas
@ work

Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 00:34:21
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Lars! Did you watch TV last night? Samla Mammas Manna, Hoola Bandoola Band, FlŠsket Brinner (ha! Gunnars gamla band!) and Naionalteatern. Mmm, we were getting sentimental over old times at our place.

God Bless Me and America,

C

Name: Dragon


Date: Friday, September 28, 19101 at 00:02:19
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Wait a minute, when did we get privacy rights on email?

StAl Ð Where did you hide the latest edit from the GB? IÕve now lost from TuesdayÕs post Òangel? devil?Ó to the bottom of this page.

Linda Ð whomever you are, IÕm an artist (whoÕs not sure why Duncan is scratching his head, maybe someone insulted you? If they did they better have a good reason). The drawing and painting kind of artist, I have nothing to point you toward yet but maybe some URLs next week. If you are new, welcome!

Does reading credit card records include those CC check cards? Anyone?

Name: Clas
@ work

Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 23:54:39
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StevieDan - I don't know who this Fiona is, sounds scary. And hey, you actaually saw this Swedish folkmusic on TV? That's boring stuff, really. The Finnish Conductor Esa Pekka Salonen was asked on TV once what he thought of that kind of music;

-Shit boring, after the first two bars I know how the song will end. It's so predictable.

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Guess Who - thanks for paying the depts to the UN. Right on time, uh?

C

Name: steviedan
apple basher

Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 23:33:16
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now blaise of course ms spears is the poseur DELUXO, albeit with a better support system so to speak. now you may have me praising her drummer, who like n*sync's drummer is as good as that kind of budget calls for. or the production team, those swedish ditty-laureates on their ability to grab an audience of jillions with mediocre disney showbiz kidz lipsyncing along. but at least MUSICALLY, you get some semblance of a pre-fesshunul show for your hardearned duckats. fiona live is all angst and no pitch. the clips i've seen on the tube showed me bandmembers in PAIN. visibly. her records DO sound better, as do nelly furtado's with that sonic charity job that only their studio voice-dressers know for sure. but no one can help them live unless they go the lipsync route and maybe they should, i guess. she writes good words ? so do alot of people that are referred to as poets and lyricists. does that mean that walt whitman should have cut some tracks and flown a couple of singles ? spoken word is cool. jewel's done it [cringe] and she can even sing... somewhat.

two final points. i'm SURE donald was deadpanning as usual (this is the same guy that complains about synth tuning temperament for god's sake) and YES, britney will cover "across the universe" when someone tells her the "pornstar/pimp" phase is done and the new "reflective artiste" phase begins. that will probably be after her first non-successful effort which will most likely be the next one.

Name: At this point in time
you've got to admit it....

Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 23:17:30
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DrMu- As much as I hate to disagree with you... I noticed you said INF too and thought it was a typo until you wrote it twice. Nice excuse though.

Name: µ
and

Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 22:32:46
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The Ben Folds new one is CLASSIC. Beyond my expectations..

Name: µ


Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 22:30:21
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Kinky - glad you're alive and kicking, "F" is simply 2 doors down from "S" on the keyboard. That's what I get for saluting with my middle finger while typing...which I tend to do on this board...I'm doing it right now!

BTW, when using quotations, the period or comma is placed INSIDE. Ex. "Doctor." NOT "Doctor". But then that may be that "Canadian" English you're using!

Name: Guess Who?
Stalkholm

Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 21:29:12
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Clas - You're a real winner. I lost a lot of sleep over how your dog's shit was gonna turn out... but I just knew you'd be there to catch it. And yeah, that squirrel story was really something. What a display of humanity on your part. I mean, you find this half dead squirrel, you don't have the balls to kill it, then you ask some "happy dude with a Coke and a mc Donalds bag" (in Clas speak: an American wannabe -- i.e. every Swede, if truth be told) to kill it,and he doesn't want to either, so you berate him. So, let's see, you chicken out, but when the guy that likes a fast, consistent cheeseburger won't do it, he's an inhumane coward. Ok, that makes sense. Poor Clas can't stand the fact that this guy is eating Big Mac's instead of Julskinka and he's "happy".

Actually Clas, I'm very glad you told this story -- As Clas wrote: "And I could'nt see him suffering so I took him and he bite me, the fucking bastard." Yeah Clas, that's how we feel about you and your irrelevant country... we try to help and do the right thing for your people, and you pathetic assholes side with the terrorists (yeah, you're pro Palestina and your country's neutral... same diff) -- sad thing is that we didn't put YOU out of your misery.

Clas, I do apologize for all the slang, I realize your web-translator can't decipher it all, maybe you can write Ruby and ask her what it's all about.

Q - You're making amends with Clas? After everything thing he's done? And I thought you knew better...

Dr. Moo - What the fuck is INF? Do you read the papers? Magazines? The ticker on the bottom of any and every major television network? It's INS, you imbecile! Immigration and Naturalization Service. INF stands for Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces, hardly the organization that would be guarding our borders. Thanks... you must be the reason Clas gets his ideas about Americans only knowing what's on the tube. I mean, "F" and "S" are phonetically similar, which can only mean that you get your news aurally... very sad. And you call yourself "Doctor". Maybe you're one of those pathetic Canadians we have here that are trying to tell us what's what, but have never stood up for their own front porch.... But, from what I recall -- and it pains me to say -- I'm afraid you're one of US.

By the way, Mu, your idiocy does in no way detract from the losses you've suffered... I feel your pain, man. Believe you me.

K

Name: Dragon


Date: Thursday, September 27, 19101 at 21:20:36
Comments:

"Tarantula" I read that book. By some hairy lipped person by the name of Bob Dylan. As for some moving object invented by a woman (not necessarily a radical feminist): the wheel. Heh heh heh!

But you know the real difference between the men and the boy-- uhmm, maybe that's a bad analogy, uh, how about those that will not and those that do. Men can and (way too) often leave loved ones (love being a verb and "d" being past tense) pregnant asses behind in a bind. Women cannot leave this situation behind they DO deal with it, however they chose or must deal with it.

now i must be back to my tarantula snuggling -- oh, wait, I'm an arachnophobia, so it must be my sheep -- ewe. No, I kid. No goats, Please! yuck yuck
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btw Ð concerning Ô57 ChevyÕs Ð people who donÕt see them as sensible: those concerned with gas mileage and/or aerodynamics. But then they arenÕt supposed to be sensible anymore; just works of art.

Blaise -